The Zero Percent Club — A Flawed Poll or a Stupid Racist Monolith

News broke this week that according to a Wall Street Journal/NBC poll, Mitt Romney is receiving zero percent support from black voters. Really? I can see only three alternative interpretations of this result, none of which are found in the main stream coverage:

Blacks are Racist

This one is easy. Just imagine if the results had been the other way around. What if the poll showed zero white support for Obama? Cries of societal breakdown would flood the airwaves. The shocking revelation of white racism against blacks would be the lead headline. Yet when the anti-Romney poll results were announced, it was summarized that there must be something wrong with Mitt Romney, not something wrong with the black voter.

Accusations of racism on blacks against whites usually falls on deaf ears. The reason I think was well spelled out by a civil rights worker (whose name I no longer remember) who said that racism is the potent combination of prejudice plus the power to use that prejudice to hurt the target of that prejudice. The notion is that a powerless black community can be as prejudiced against whites as they want. Without the power to DO anything the prejudice lacks any real punch.

I first heard this theory a good 25 years ago. Since then, both the corner office and the Oval Office have been occupied by blacks. The idea of the powerless black man has diminished considerably. This makes the charge of racism against whites in this case quite a bit more plausible.

Blacks are a Joke

While blacks may have gained more power in the past 30 years, the credibility of the black community still suffers. When we look at the effectiveness of policy by either party as it relates to blacks, one has to wonder if anyone is really taking black folk that seriously. These poll results don’t help in that regard. If we toss out racism as the motivating force we are left with the possibility that blacks really aren’t thinking very critically about this election. That would be true of any group that votes 100% against something. It kills their credibility as a voting block because it shows no diversity of thought or opinion. There are only two things that unite blacks, one total nonsense and one drop dead serious. Their nonsensical commonality is the color of their skin (for the most part …it must be said blacks run the gamut of skin color, this author being a prime example). Skin color is meaningless. The serious commonality is a legacy of systemic discrimination. Yet I submit that within those two common attributes there is a wide range of potential political opinion. Blacks run from ultra-liberal all the way to ultra-conservative. You would never know it from these poll results which make blacks look like a very stupid monolith.

The Poll is Flawed

The Wall Street Journal and NBC defend the poll results claiming the sampling was proper. This according to the Washington Post’s Jonathan Capehart:

“The numbers came from a statistically significant sample of more than 100 African-American voters out of 1,000 total voters in the poll,” Mark Murray, senior political editor for NBC News, told me via e-mail this morning. “Given the sample size of these African-American respondents, the margin of error is well within the 95%-4% split with which Obama won this group in 2008.” So, there’s a possibility that Romney could eke out some support on Election Day. A possibility of the very slim variety.

I say pure BS. You might not think that there is much difference between 4% support and 0% support, but symbolically it makes a world of difference. The pollsters can yell until they are blue in the face. I refuse to believe that there is a statistically non-existent black pro-Romney contingent. These poll results only serve to further propagate the notion of blind racial support which does a disservice to our national discourse.

What I think irks me the most is not which of the three above alternatives, racism, stupidity, or bad polling caused these results. What irks me is the media exclusively interpreting these results as a commentary on Romney and not a commentary on the group being polled. It makes blacks a club with which to pound Romney over the head. It makes them a useful tool. It would have been more worthwhile to get underneath what blacks really think. Where is there a diversity of opinion?

I’m not sure the media is really interested in what black people think and why. I think they’re just interested in scoring political points and fanning flames. This poll certainly served that purpose.

Post-script: Kudos to Melissa Harris-Perry for at least talking to some black conservatives and giving a damn about what they think.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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389 thoughts on “The Zero Percent Club — A Flawed Poll or a Stupid Racist Monolith

  1. Absolutely, blacks are used as a tool, as are the rest of the poor.

    I have not traveled abroad a great deal so my experience is limited very much to Michigan. Blacks are very racist. I have a hard time qualifying them being the most racist, or even the most pervasive, but definitely the most overt. Now the oriental group, specific to their nation of origin, as well as the middle eastern folks stick to their own. They hire their own, buy from their own, and marry their own for the most part. I consider this a form of racism but it is a very different form than the types blacks have.

    Black people take it to a different level. With the hundreds families I have worked with, I am considered the exception. I am the white guy that is welcomed into their home anytime I want to come, but I am still the exception. The greater the level of my acceptance, the more honest and vocal they are about the truth. It starts out with harsh stares if someone thinks they are about to broach the subject of talking bad about white people. It them moves on to light humor, and then to blatant words that leave no disillusions of how they feel.

    What I find most chilling is the disregard for human life. Maybe disregard isn’t very accurate. Maybe it is more how easily they dismiss violent acts against people. What I do know is a white life is valued very much less than just about anyone else.

    I will say this, the poll is very much reflective of what I encounter. They are voting for Obama because he is black. This trumps all other concerns. There is virtually nothing that Obama could do that would make them vote for Romney.

    I think this highlights the problem with the black community. They have their eye so fixated on racism, they do not see that often times the choices they make because of race are often detrimental. The subject of race is almost without exception the most important and most often talked about topic with the people I deal with. At home, in public, in church, and in the schools.

    This to me is what makes them so easily manipulated and used as a tool to further other people’s ends. Black people are very passionate and feeling people. All you have to do is link something to race, stir the pot up, and they are all over it. Once you have them worked up into a racial tizzy, you no longer need to make sense. You can come up with any number of false conclusions, and by enlarge they will buy into it as long as they think they are fighting a racially charged issue.

  2. It’s about keeping race in our face. Everything the media does acts as a diversion. Last week it was abortion. This week race. Next week another gun event. Then a sex scandal. Then a religious controversy…

    Meanwhile the critical events slip under the wire and the murdering criminals laugh at our stupidity all the way to the bank.

    Polls are designed to MANipulate™ minds. Group think. We sure don’t want to appear different or alone in our choices. How do we compare is always on the forefront.

    Like you said, blacks vary greatly in skin tone. Whites do too, but we never focus there. White Hispanic? WTF? People will never be colorblind as long as we keep separating them into groups and telling them what to think. But that’s what we do.

  3. Lame. I see its softball season, still. Yup, blacks vote for blacks. The vice president said Y’all gonna be back in chains” if they don’t.

    We wanted the blog on Obama’s plan. You took up that challenge, even announcing when you were going to start. Either admit defeat or rise to the occasion. Seriously, you’re embarrassing yourself.

  4. Rutherford, we must be joined at the hip somewhere. When I read the header, I looked at my wife and said, “If there were ever proof of black racism, here it is. If the situation were reversed, the US would be reviled the world over; this, however, is just a footnote in some lame publication somewhere.”

    Then I said, “And blacks wonder why nobody takes them seriously.”

    Then I read the article. Jesus. Scary.

    You get a lot of credit for open-mindedness, my friend.

  5. “I’m not sure the media is really interested in what black people think and why. I think they’re just interested in scoring political points and fanning flames.”- The Zero Percent Club..

    Taking the above statement and going back to Alfie’s post on the other thread…

    Alfie @735 In the spirit of the post…..does anyone else here feel slighted that the election has detoured from issues so badly?

    Slighted? I feel used and abused! I am becoming angry that politicians and MSM have so warped the cyberspace that rational people have diverted their thinking which of course is what was planned. Maybe there is a bit of a conspiracy theory out there or I have to think the people have all become sheeple.

    Just when I thought the Mormon bashing would follow tax returns and Akin, here comes the race card instead.

  6. <em.I’m not sure the media is really interested in what black people think and why. I think they’re just interested in scoring political points and fanning flames.
    No, be sure they are not interested and also be sure that in the coming years they will be even less so.
    The status and dynamics of the black community is effed up that the coming latino wave will blank them out. You’ll see this in advertising (all ready started) general programming (although some efforts have failed the bigs will not allow telemundo and univisision to have it all) and of course in politics. (Ted cruz,Marco Rubio for my side).

    As for the other two “culprits” in your post I will vote to discount black racism. Politically & personally the black community is obviously going to identify with the candidate that looks like them and of course they have unfortunately blindly aligned with the Democrats with all their chips. A follow up of my earlier point the latinos contrary to some polling out there have obviously not put all the eggs in one basket.

    Stupidity is actually kind of too strong a word for me in this case but perhaps thats because I hold out some hope for the community. The blindness is there. The willingness to cling to bad politics. The very human failing of casting blame and cause on sources other than you and yours. Failure to recognize one is being lied to. All these points indicate a level or form of stupidity I guess.

  7. “As for the other two “culprits” in your post I will vote to discount black racism.”

    Why? I haven’t had a stats class in a long time, but if 94% of black folks support a black candidate and zero support a white one, I’d say you would be very hard pressed to find a more statistically significant correlation. You think stupidity is a better fit?????

    “Politically & personally the black community is obviously going to identify with the candidate that looks like them”

    Sure. I identified with McCain, but I voted for Obama because I thought he was a better choice. But support at the 94/0 percent level? You’re kidding, right?

    “A follow up of my earlier point the latinos contrary to some polling out there have obviously not put all the eggs in one basket.”

    NOR HAS ANYBODY ELSE.

    “Stupidity is actually kind of too strong a word for me in this case but perhaps thats because I hold out some hope for the community. The blindness is there. The willingness to cling to bad politics.”

    Tell me this again – – – – it’s because blacks are dupes at a 94/0 percent level, but not because of race? Think about that a minute…if the situation were reversed, I think you would roll on the floor laughing if anyone suggested it were not racial, wouldn’t you? I know I would.

    In fact, I am.

  8. Rabbit, you are one one-track-minded motherf*cker. Seriously. Do you read? I told everyone in the last thread that the next article would NOT be about Obama’s “plan” so why are you still griping?

    You’ll get your post. Hell, the timing will be pretty good leading up to the Dem convention. But let’s be honest, you won’t like the post anyway so why are you clamoring for it?

  9. I appreciate the thoughtful comments so far, minus the “lame” comment from the Rabbit.

    Noah, you puzzle the hell out of me. First, thanks for the comment. I appreciate your giving the piece some thought. What I find puzzling is this: most people are intuitive enough to know when someone does not trust them or views them as hostile. You’ve pretty much said you think blacks view whites as hostile and they don’t trust them (I’m inferring, not quoting you so don’t get upset) yet you say you’re the exception. I find it hard to believe that any blacks would accept you if they perceived the attitudes expressed in your comment. So there is some sort of dissonance going on. I can’t imagine the black who would find you the exception given your attitudes and perceptions.

    But I’d also like you to give an honest assessment of how much you have observed relates to poverty and not race. How many middle to upper middle class blacks do you know? Do you find their attitudes identical to poor blacks?

    I’m not saying your perceptions are totally off the mark. I’d guess every black harbors even a small amount of wariness when it comes to whites. It’s a consequence of our poisoned society.

  10. I give you a lot of credit too Rutherford. Blacks are as racist as whites, but their marriage to Democrats is not

    The majority of blacks through sometimes preceived and actual present and past racism combined with a broken culture have let Democrats imprison them in a Democratic world of dependency and double standards.

    As a result, everyone takes them for granted. Democrats know a few promises and dollars will hold blacks in their camp, and Republicans know using too much valuable time and money to court blacks is a waste of time.

    Our perverse attitudes and values give blacks the benefit of the doubt not allowed for other groups. Its not blacks’ fault. They need the extra consideration because they can’t succeed without help. Thus, our belittling double standard tells us blacks uniting as racial political, economic, or social groups is fine. If whites do it, they are racists. Of course the double standard also tells us, blacks need the extra help to succeed. We force them to remain victims.

    Everyone is tired of my mentioning Samis but , the comparison fits. Hieta, Erik Richard wrote “Europe’s “white Indians”; The Sami and the making of the Finnish nation”, a doctoral thesis for the University of California, Davis. The Sami people have a history similar to our native Americans and to a degree, blacks. Thousands of them were forceably sterilized, and some were sold into slavery. They were burned at the stake if they refused to accept Christianity.

    Like Africian Americans, their skin color ranges from Asian-appearing to white blond with unlimited combinations between.

    Rutherford, if you have time, would you please google MARI BOINE about the ban of joik on youtube video and listen to what she says? i think a black person could have said what she said, but that is just my opinion. You know better than I. What do you think?

  11. PF, it’s funny what a difference 4% makes. If the poll had said Obama 96, Romney 4 (or even Romney 3) I would have shrugged it off. Perhaps I’m wrong about that. But the ZERO grabbed my f*cking attention. Frankly, as a black man, I was mortified when I saw the zero.

    Personally I think the polling is flawed. Polling has to be done VERY carefully so as not to confirm predispositions of the pollster. This is why Rasmussen gets a bad rap (at least from liberals). But my secondary explanation is stupidity. Leno’s interviews with people on the street show just how dumb much of the US population is. Since many blacks are immersed in race and culture debates, they miss the economic picture and the foreign affairs picture. It leads to making easy choices. So yeah, let’s elect the Dem and let’s elect the brother. I can understand him without putting in too much effort.

    I honestly think overt racism against Romney is present but negligible. Again the racial calculus is “vote for the black guy”, not “vote against the white guy”. With that said, there is still no mistaking the double standard applied to this statistic. As I said in my piece, had the numbers been reversed, all hell would have broken loose.

  12. Alfie of course makes a good point with the stats he posted. Blacks are joined to the Dem party at the hip for better or worse. The game changer was a black Dem which seemed to make the choice all the more obvious.

    What a fascinating social experiment it would be to finally have a black Republican candidate and then see how the black community reacted to it.

  13. 😯

    This was really well done, Rutherford. Not just because of the subject material which you and I have discussed a thousand times, but it was more like the hard hitting angle like you used to pen when you were still head over heels for Obama and uber critical of the Whigs. 🙂 You put some work into this one and actually demonstrated why I think you’re one of the two or three best lib writers going when you set your mind to it.

    And thank you for being honest. I actually had a bit of respect for the comedian who said he voted for Obama because he is black. So did most blacks and many whites. Obama had no record – nothing but one titillating speech at a Dim Convention.

    I don’t feel cheated like Raji, but I come to the same conclusion she does.

    This is exactly what I expected from our media. If this doesn’t validate our media is corrupt and in the tank for Barack Obama, I don’t know what does.

    In 2008, the media gave Barack Obama a pass. They weren’t doing hour long specials on Wright’s church – except Hannity and his audience is about 2.5MM. They weren’t demanding Obama’s past records like they are Romney, sending hundreds to dig into Biden’s past, buying homes beside Biden’s residence or scourging Biden’s drug head kid. There was nothing but fawning adulation at empty platitudes, from tingles in the leg, to talks of Abraham Lincoln’s soaring rhetoric.

    Now with Obama a known quantity, and let’s face it, even a disappointment to his most ardent fans, the game by the press is to distract, deflect, project, obfuscate. Ignore Obama and press Romney. A few like Jake Tapper will occasionally call Obama’s bluff, but not often.

    Here’s the deal, “R”. I know you disagree with this assessment, but this election should not even be close. It shows that this country is so hopelessly divided about straight down the middle, that even the most qualified candidate available would have a hard time managing it.

    Compromise is ridiculous with most issues, as compromise gave us $16 trillion in debt. How do you compromise over one trillion in debt a year? What, bleed the system a little more slowly?

  14. What a fascinating social experiment it would be to finally have a black Republican candidate and then see how the black community reacted to it.

    Haven’t we already seen the predictable results? A black Republican candidate would be savaged by blacks in the most insulting of ways, and would garner no more support from blacks, I’m afraid.

  15. Symbolically, I suppose the ‘0’ does look bad. But statistically, there’s really not much difference in the past 40 years of Presidential elections.

    For me, it changed nothing but what I already knew. But if opened some others eyes, then I’m grateful they couldn’t find one black that supported Romney.

    The last election was the final straw for walking on egg shells for me, for what it is worth, “R”. Hopefully, you’ve never taken my racial comments personally, you I’ll assume you couldn’t help but do so.

  16. And you wonder why I find the Republican Party a little more serious, far more refined, and a whole lot less crass? Been a while, but now that Obama is floundering, I see Code Pink is back out on the streets – Afghan’s a good war, I’ll assume because they’re not camping out on Obama’s lawn.

  17. “Media Ignore black conservatives, fired up crowds for Romney/Ryan Citizens report themselves” on Twitchy shows unreported crowds in Ohio and Michigan.

    Some blacks posed for pictures to show the poll was inaccurate.

    “Perhaps they would like to meet Twitter user Sharon Boradie Not only can she teach the media a thing or two about reporting the facts, she can show them that she does in fact exist. She is a person With individual thoughts of her very own, regardless of what racist members of the press want to believe. “.

  18. As for the poll images….is it just me or is there some bias in that too? Obama looks like smooth pimp daddy saying “Yeah 94% ” and Mitt looks like ” I dunno”
    Anyway OT I just watched a chunk of video from an Ohio R&R thing. Anyone who thinks Ryan was a bad choice is insane. He is smart,engaging and a synergistic balancing complement to Romney in a made to order kind of way. Great ticket! Sorry to get all gushy but really,a really good pairing for the first time in awhile.

  19. @ tex you bring up a good point. Is Code Pink still storming the WH on segues ? When I was in DC in ’07 every time the gates opened the little pinkoes would flock and do the whole boo hiss shame thing. Be interesting to know if they’re there now a days

  20. I noticed the same thing about the pics, Alfie. But Rutherford was so fair in this one, I didn’t even bother mentioning it. If I were WSJ, I would be ashamed to have my name attached to this one.

    The one thing I will never understand about most of the media types. Obviously MSNBC is Left – their nighttime heads don’t deny this. Sean Hannity doesn’t deny he’s right, nor does someone like Stuart Varney on FOX.

    But why do the Soledad O’Brien types try so hard to deny the obvious? Why did Rather, Brokaw, Jennings deny they were leftists?

    Cronkite was about as leftist as they come, but he did a reasonably good job of keeping it balanced compared today’s clownish club, minus the war was lost junk.

  21. Alfie,

    This is the kind of stupid crap I was referring to above. What does Bush and Katrina have to do with the current convention at this moment? P.S. – Todd, it missed after stooges like you and Newton suggested it was “God’s” judgment. 🙄

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/08/26/chuck_todd_shadow_of_bush_and_katrina_hangs_over_gop_convention_-comments.html

    The media is so terrified that the tide is turning in this election circa 1980, and I believe it is palpable across the nation, that they will say or do anything to somehow implicate the bad old days with Romney.

  22. Not too long ago I overheard a woman on the bus say to her friend that she is now finally able to convince her kids that America is a racist country. I’m not sure what new proof she has that her more open minded kids can’t dispute, but I guess she finally got through to her kids.

  23. [You’ve pretty much said you think blacks view whites as hostile and they don’t trust them (I’m inferring, not quoting you so don’t get upset) yet you say you’re the exception. I find it hard to believe that any blacks would accept you if they perceived the attitudes expressed in your comment. So there is some sort of dissonance going on. I can’t imagine the black who would find you the exception given your attitudes and perceptions.]

    A little background. through my NFP, I work with these people’s children. We provide activities in the summer to keep them out of trouble and provide computers and tutoring/guidance during the school year and incentives/rewards to stay in school and graduate.

    This is how I get to know all these parents. Part of what I have to do on a daily basis is assess people. Regardless of my purpose (because it is different with each situation/family), I have to deal with each individual and meet them at their level. By level I mean things like straight intelligence, if they are a hard ass, ghetto/street, or a number of other factors. If I am not speaking their language per se, then I cannot help them help their children succeed.

    All of my conclusions are based on interactions I have with these families. These are not things I share with them for the most part, but they are the framework for how I interact with them. So there is no disconnect. I am not there to tell them how to live their lives or give my opinion of how they live their lives. Whether I approve or disapprove of how they live is irrelevant. I still enjoy their company and enjoy helping them make better futures for their kids.

    [But I’d also like you to give an honest assessment of how much you have observed relates to poverty and not race. How many middle to upper middle class blacks do you know? Do you find their attitudes identical to poor blacks?]

    This is a much more difficult question. Being poor is a factor, but it is not the only factor. I know many middle class blacks, only one upper class. The upper class man I know is a lawyer. Very well spoken and pretty much stays the same in most any situation. The middle class people are quite different. They have what I call their “white” face and their “ghetto” face. Depending who they are with and where they are, determines their demeanor and their inflection.

    The poorer black families are always in survival mode. Looking for deals, saving where they can. They are very into “their” community and doing things with their black friends/neighbors. Appearance is everything. They will live beyond their means and sacrifice to do so to have that better car, phone, clothes. They are willing to settle for the appearance of success.

    The middle class parents always seem to be in escape mode. Proud of who they are, but always trying to distance themselves from the actions, mannerisms, attitudes, and choices of their poorer counterparts. Appearance is still very important, but I start to see the first signs of economic concerns for the sake of betterment of the family at this level. I also start to see the first honest assessments of their political choices.

    I cannot speak much to the upper class blacks. From what I see the trend continues. Appearance is very important. Willing to give of their time to help the less fortunate, but most often not their money. Of what I see I am starting to suspect that even the time given always seems to be in situations where it they are highlighted publicly, so it seems to be appearance driven.

    Summery. I write here as if I was giving my shareholders my conclusion from being out in the trenches. I think my assessments are very honest, but probably not politically correct. I think where you see a disconnect is that I can hang out with people I disagree with on many different levels and still interact successfully. I do so by not judging them. Rather than tell them what they are doing wrong (when asked), I offer up alternatives choices. They key is always keeping the message positive.

  24. Muffy,

    It’s been my personal experience that while most people can clearly identify obvious racists (The Klan, The New Black Panthers, David Duke, Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan), the loudest critics of the supposed systemic racism are never any good at identifying their contribution to the problem. 😐

    I’ve really been honest with Rutherford when I have told him at least in my circles, there is was no institutional white racism, but either an unfamiliarity or a huge uncomfortableness with much of the black culture.

    However, things begin to change the last few years when many of us got fed up with the glaring double standards in behavior and judgment, the ridicule and Hollywood mockery, etc…

    I’m telling you this uber, man hating feminists are next on the list. Bank it, because the blow back is coming in spades.

    It leads to an interesting question I have for Rutherford should Romney win, which I hold.

  25. Spot on Tex. Racism is being pushed onto us so hard it seems to be a self fulfilling prophesy. All of this focus on racism is bring it back to America, but maybe that is its intention.

  26. Tex,

    If I’m not mistaken it was right around the time of the Trayvon Martin shooting that I heard that statement. I thought it was as poor a reflection on the woman’s satisfaction in finally getting through to her kids as much as on any “evidence” of racism – blowback or otherwise.

    It was a sad reminder to me how the president pitched a post racial presidency and his has been anything but.

  27. Off topic … On Meet the Press yesterday Mike Murphy, GOP strategist rattled off several items on the Democratic platform and noted how few had been achieved. This prompted the following tweet from yours truly:

  28. What, bleed the system a little more slowly?

    Thanks for the compliment Tex. Regarding what I quoted from you, isn’t that what Ryan is basically doing with a budget that doesn’t balance until 2040? Is that really an acceptable solution?

  29. A black Republican candidate would be savaged by blacks in the most insulting of ways

    If you’re right it would throw the whole “black racist” meme into an entirely different direction and greatly complicate the picture.

  30. Alfie, the poll images are very carefully chosen to make Mitt look clueless. I pulled the chart from Martin Bashir’s MSNBC show after I got tired of trying to find an image of the poll with just numbers.

  31. This is quiet the turn around from your reaction to earlier polls that showed near perfect solidarity in black voting. I seem to recall you got ticked off when I pointed out that race above all else was the motivating factor and you mentioned something about the black community not voting “against their interest.” In effect, you said that I was calling blacks mindless. What changed?

  32. Alert: From what I read and hear, Romney is getting good reviews for his interview with Politico as well as his interview with Chris Wallace yesterday. I watched some of the latter and was fairly impressed although his claims that ego has nothing to do with his run kinda bothered me.

    The biggest sound bite I saw yesterday was Romney saying emphatically “I am not going to just stop Obamacare, I’m going to replace it.”

    That opens up an interesting can of worms doesn’t it ladies and gentlemen? How can he replace it with anything that won’t upset the “government is too big” types?

  33. Noah @ 24, my observations are the same.

    My middle class black relatives though find Obama a charlatan, view the democratic party as exploitative, yet do not embrace the right either. It makes them different from most of my middle class black friends

  34. Racial hatred has to be learned. We are not born with a mind to hate. There has been a push in the black communities through media to root and water that hatred over time. Marketed as identity it sounds noble enough. Peer pressure and image, as Noah states, plays a huge role in the degradation of spirit. Values are upside down and success is measured in material possessions. All of which will burn. You can’t find happiness if you aren’t first happy with yourself.

    If you’re oppressed, either real or imagined, it’s always easier to blame someone else, especially if they are different than you or appear to have it easier. Emphasizing differences ensures division and strife. Polls, like the one cited, do much reinforce the divide.

    This nation broke the black family structure generations ago and most still have not been able to rebuild them. It has more recently eroded the white family structure. Our society today is not really conducive toward building strong families or communities as we look more toward global solutions.

    The remedy for this hasn’t changed. The way to fix people is to start with the individual, then families, then communities. We need to look inward rather than outward for change. We know this on a deep level but it’s often too hard a solution and we are obstinate beings so we often suppress it, preferring to attack external factors.

    There is nothing new under the sun, no matter how it’s packaged.

  35. The middle class people are quite different. They have what I call their “white” face and their “ghetto” face. Depending who they are with and where they are, determines their demeanor and their inflection.

    This observation made me chuckle. I once had an office-mate who would tell me after I got off the phone with my best friend “I love it when you talk black”. I’m not as adept at turning it on and off as some. My mother was a master at it. She “sounded white” when talking to most whites, strangers, or people in authority. She could turn on a black inflection with her girlfriends, many of whom she had known all her life. My Dad on the other hand never uses a black inflection. I don’t think he could if he tried.

    When I was in college and in corporate where I interacted with blacks a bit more, I could turn it on when the situation warranted. I’ve been so disconnected in the past few years that I can no longer “talk black” convincingly.

    I got the feeling that you found a two-faced-ness about this tendency you’ve noticed in middle class blacks. I disagree. It’s about establishing familiarity and a sense of common understanding. I’ve noticed recently a trend toward Hispanics turning their accents on and off depending on the situation. Interestingly, when both blacks and Hispanics do this, I find their “minority” accent less genuine than when they’re trying to be “articulate”.

  36. It may have something to do with losing one’s inhibitions on the anonymous interwebs but I have a sneaking suspicion the “real” Noah is a lot more palatable than the Internet one.

  37. Racism is being pushed onto us so hard it seems to be a self fulfilling prophesy. All of this focus on racism is bring it back to America, but maybe that is its intention.

    One of my favorite lines from John McWhorter is (and I paraphrase): “Folks say we don’t talk enough about race in this country. On the contrary, ALL we ever talk about is race.”

  38. R, I think it is human nature to change up depending on the audience. FWIW, I talk differently with my old friends from Boston. Here there’s the southern rural (read: redneck), urban, and what I call fake southern aristocracy speech patterns that similarly get their turns depending on the audience. I do speak differently in a downtown courtroom than when I’m in a rural courtroom — definitely avoid sounding too Yankee in either. Everyone’s a chameleon to some extent.

  39. Addressing Muffy’s bus experience, as the father of a black child, I am VERY careful to not draw racial conclusions in front of her. As she gets older and comes to her own conclusions or makes her own observations we’ll talk about it. But she will not get a negative impression of white people (or blacks for that matter) from my lips.

    It was put to the test a year and a half ago when a white kid on the school bus asked her “what are you looking at, black girl?” She told her teacher and the kid was hung out to dry. We got a call at home that day from the principal telling us it was being handled. They treated it as bullying. While I felt they went a bit overboard I was pleased to see the rhetoric was not tolerated.

    But to get to my point, when my kid came home that day, I didn’t say “well that’s what you should expect from white people”. In fact I joked with her that her answer to his rude question was essentially “I’m lookin’ at the fool who is going to be in the principal’s office by the end of the day” 🙂

    P.S. I even try my best not to identify people by race when I talk to her. So you won’t hear me say to her “you see that white girl over there?” She’s at an age now where she is aware she is “black” (whatever that means) and on occasion we may identify another kid as black for lack of any better descriptor. Still we avoid it.

  40. Rutherford, surprisingly I agree with your conclusion about the Ryan proposals. It’s not that they are radical, but they don’t go near far enough. So what’s that say about these accusations of “extreme?”

    But isn’t that better than Obama’s no plan and to just keep spending at record levels, with no budget and no appreciable results except a debt downgrade?

    Actually, this article was the first time in weeks I found you at your best – not because I agreed with your premise which obviously helped :wink:, but because it reminded me why I used to like the old Rutherford – you made the attempt at being objective before going completely PDS.

  41. Rutherford, I for one am not surprised so few blacks are Republicans or support Romney. The better question is why do any gays vote Republican?

  42. What changed?

    Tigre I realize my reaction is based on a statistically negligible difference from previous polls but the ZERO really got my blood boiling. Don’t read too much into this piece. My primary argument is with the validity of the poll and more so, the reaction of the press to the poll.

    I STILL don’t see the GOP speaking to black concerns. I still see the GOP making arguments that understandably tick off blacks. I will grant you that particularly in the past four years the Democrats have done nothing for blacks either. So at this point I’m beginning to wonder if it is in black’s interest to vote for EITHER party.

    But again … the ZERO does symbolize racism or stupidity in a very bold way. And I cannot in good conscience ignore the reaction this poll would have gotten if the results had been reversed.

  43. Values are upside down

    This comment from Poolman reminded me of a friend at Harvard who would go home to the ghetto on school breaks knowing he would have to dodge getting the sh*t beat out of him for selling out and being too “white’. A damn shame. Needless to say the dude himself was somewhat dysfunctional but then how could he not be under those circumstances?

  44. Newton, you’re basically a product of a corrupt media. You’re a water girl, running to the huddle.

    This week, Romney was once again accused by MSNBC and Chris Matthews of playing the “race” card, because Romney joked about you won’t need my birth certificate. Most of us who never took the “birther” thing seriously laughed in good humor. I actually thought it pretty funny, as did most other people.

    But because it was Obama and the shoe on the other foot, immediately all the guests of the Morning Joe shoe took issue with their false sense of outrage. Here’s the real reason why.

    Your Obama has been a dismal failure. The only way our corrupt media can now support Obama is to imply that Romney is floundering. The media can’t possibly use Obama’s record as justification for his reelection and there is no longer the need for vetting. The Obama record stands by itself as miserable – the worst since Jimmy carter.

    Any sane individual realizes the country is driving down the train track toward the high speed locomotive, while Obama puts his foot t the medal and puts his finger in his nose to pick another booger.

    Not all gays are one trick ponies. They know it too and the ones that put survival over gay marriage will be voting for Romney.

  45. Tigre, the Daily Caller article was stupid beyond words. The photo of Obama looking up toward the moon is a perfect photographic tribute to Armstrong and it actually syncs up perfectly with what Armstrong’s survivor (I don’t recall which relative) said, namely that every time we look up at the moon we should think of Neil.

    So Tigre (and Tucker Carlson) please get over yourself!!!

  46. Newt it’s always an interesting question when a minority supports the GOP despite being insulted by them. But we have to remember that everyone is three dimensional. Gays care about the debt. Blacks care about exploiting all possible domestic fuel resources. Women care about the unemployment rate. These cares for some of these people trump any insult they might get from the pre-historic GOP.

    In fact it borders on the ultimate insult to reduce any person’s political interests to the minority to which they belong. Folks are more complex than that. I personally find it very offensive that women’s politics is being reduced to contraception and abortion. It makes women sound kinda simplistic to be honest.

    With that said, damn, the ignorance of the GOP is a fun weapon to use against them! 😉

    P.S. and let’s not forget “What’s the Matter with Kansas” … it can be argued that many white folks vote against their interest.

  47. P.S. and let’s not forget “What’s the Matter with Kansas” … it can be argued that many white folks vote against their interest.

    They sure do, Rutherford. Millions of them like Pfesser regret the hell out of voting for Obama. 😉

  48. Tex, Romney botched the birther joke. I don’t happen to believe he had any huge ill intent but it shows he’s tone deaf. It’s just not smart to go there.

  49. R, it’s funny, and typical, particularly when you recall Obama’s modification of prior presidents’ bios on the WH website.

    But I’ll get over “myself” — whatever that means. But it doesn’t make Obama any less of an overt narcissist.

  50. I STILL don’t see the GOP speaking to black concerns. I still see the GOP making arguments that understandably tick off blacks.

    Have you stopped to consider that what black folks want is bad for them? Maybe the Republicans don’t offer them anything because what they want will only harm them more. While Dems will offer them anything they want, in exchange for their vote.

  51. Sign on Pump at Sycamore, IL. 😆

    Rutherford, do you believe in karma? Haven’t you found it just a little more than ironic that all those things your cohorts accused Bush of like being responsible for gas prices, have come to bite Obama in the ass? A BP Oil spill handled more poorly than New Orleans according to Louisianans, higher gasoline prices, accusations of war torture (drones), a hurricane approaching New Orleans (I guess that means God loves Republicans using Newton’s illogic), GITMO still open, etc… etc…etc…

    You should be grateful if Romney wins. You can get back to what you do better. Playing offense.

  52. It may have something to do with losing one’s inhibitions on the anonymous interwebs but I have a sneaking suspicion the “real” Noah is a lot more palatable than the Internet one.

    Age has taught me two very important things. In my personal dealings that diplomacy is an invaluable tool and being right is not always a good/necessary thing.

    Dealing with kids, I have to wear many hats. I have to be a mentor, a friend, and sometimes a total hard ass. My role as it is has me always looking at potential. What a person could be. Nothing gets my ire up more than seeing potential wasted.

    Like Tex, I see potential in you Rutherford that is rare. I also see that potential being poorly utilized, and that irks me. In your case the ability is there, the intelligence is there, yet you still hang on to notions that a person at your level of game should have gotten over a long time ago, and that irks me.

    For my part, I apologize for being overly critical, only in that I chose to respond in anger, not what I chose to be angry at. You skirt issues not because you are not able to take them on, but because you know you cannot logically defend ALL of the things you believe in. So you avoid the subjects that would highlight these contradictions, and that irks me.

    Despite all the whining and crying about how Romney is flip-flopped on a lot of issues, I would never trust a man, that as he gets older, doesn’t change his mind on the things he believed in as a youth. I think people would be more forgiving than you think if you were to say your view, after careful consideration, as changed. The fact that you don’t I think is what makes people relentlessly hound you.

  53. “The better question is why do any gays vote Republican?”

    Perspective?

    Acknowledging that the gay marriage issue is largely one of semantics and feelings?

  54. @#52 Rutherford, it’s like you got hit in the head by a coconut and suddenly remembered that you’re not Mary Ann after all.

  55. Rutherford you’re speaking to the moron vote when you say –

    “Newt it’s always an interesting question when a minority supports the GOP despite being insulted by them.”

    while you are fully cognizant of this –

    “In fact it borders on the ultimate insult to reduce any person’s political interests to the minority to which they belong.”

    But at least it’s a step in the right direction.

    “Women care about the unemployment rate.”

    “These cares for some of these people trump any insult they might get from the pre-historic GOP.”

    I’m not voting for Romney because I care more about the unemployment rate than I do about women. That’s the moron vote your speaking to again.

    As for the pre-historic GOP – what do you call it when your party as a whole reduces women’s politics to contraception and abortion? THAT’S paramount in how you measure the evolution of women since those times?

    EVERYONE votes to preserve self. It’s just a question of where self ends for you. I’d suggest that for you and many in your party it ends at the epidermis level.

  56. Rutherford, I for one am not surprised so few blacks are Republicans or support Romney. The better question is why do any gays vote Republican?” – Bubbles

    Ha, Bubbles buys the poll – no surprise there. Hey genius, there’s a bridge for sale in Brooklyn…

  57. particularly when you recall Obama’s modification of prior presidents’ bios on the WH website.

    I must admit that was an embarrassing display of ego. Not sure I can blame Obama on that one but his staff was clearly smoking dope (or drinking the kool-aid).

  58. Have you stopped to consider that what black folks want is bad for them?

    This statement is fraught with peril because it makes blacks sound like children. “Eat your spinach, it’s good for you.”

    I think what is interesting is that our country as a whole may not want what is good for it. Let’s see how the country reacts IF Romney gets elected and both chambers go GOP and IF they make good on real austerity. Just how quickly will Americans turn into rioting Greeks?

  59. I STILL don’t see the GOP speaking to black concerns. I still see the GOP making arguments that understandably tick off blacks.” – Noah

    See, this is the shit that pisses me off. And you know what, I’d bet dollars to donuts it’d piss MLK off too:

    Black concerns are the SAME as the American people’s concerns.

    Period.

    It’s this manufactured division of ‘we have to speak to black interests separately’ that keep blacks separate.

    Everyone is concerned about the economy.
    Everyone is concerned about good jobs.
    Everyone is concerned about individual liberty.
    Everyone is concerned about quality education.
    Everyone is concerned about affordable healthcare.
    Everyone is concerned about crime in their neighborhoods.
    Everyone is concerned about establishing a better future for their children.

    When people start talking about ‘black’ concerns or ‘hispanic’ concerns it becomes blatantly obvious that they are talking about how to bribe a segment of the population with something special to them that is either useless, or more likely, harmful to the rest of us.

    It is insulting, degrading and corrupt. MLK didn’t want special treatment. He didn’t want ‘black constituencies’ or ‘black special interests’. He wanted to be treated JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.

    This manufactured meme of Republicans don’t care about minorities because they don’t pander to minorities is the worst kind of racism because that pandering institutionalizes a separate systemic identity.

  60. Iranian Air Defense Site: ‘Unknown aircraft you are in Iranian airspace. Identify yourself.’
    Aircraft: ‘This is a United States aircraft. I am in Iraqi airspace.’
    Air Defense Site: ‘You are in Iranian airspace. If you do not depart our airspace we will launch interceptor aircraft!’
    Aircraft: ‘This is a United States Marine Corps FA-18 fighter. Send ’em up, I’ll wait!’
    Air Defense Site: (…. total silence)

  61. Surprise! Another Epic Fail in Obama/Dem messaging…

    TAMPA, Fla. — The issue of Medicare may not be an albatross around Republican necks, a poll released Monday by Resurgent Republic suggests.

    The poll found that more Americans favor the Medicare reform outlined in Rep. Paul Ryan’s budget plan than want to keep Medicare as is.

    Respondents were asked to choose which of two statements they agreed with most. One echoed the Democratic campaign line on Medicare and the other echoed Ryan’s conception.

    “Congressman A says we should not balance the budget on the backs of our seniors. We need to cut back spending, but Medicare should be off limits. Republican plans to privatize Medicare are a Trojan Horse that will end Medicare as we know it,” says the first statement.

    “Congressman B says Medicare will go broke if we do nothing because of all the retiring baby boomers. By giving people age 55 and under the choice of joining traditional Medicare or using Medicare dollars to buy a private health insurance plan, we can preserve and protect this important program for current recipients and future generations,” says the second statement.

    Forty-five percent of likely voters said they agreed with the second statement more, while 40 percent said they agreed with the first statement. Independents leaned heavily toward statement B, 53 percent to 34 percent, as did swing state voters – 46 percent to 39 percent.

    The numbers appear to undermine the Democratic assumption that Romney hurt his chances by selecting Ryan as his running mate.

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/27/poll-americans-agree-with-paul-ryan-on-medicare/#ixzz24mbey2up

  62. Gorilla, I fully agree.

    You know R, the left’s view of “what’s good” for the black community (or any other minority) is infuriating to me. Honestly, how dare you refer to the talking down (like children) of the black community when that is precisely what all of the left’s pandering and exploitation is? What of your oft-quoted “voting against their own interests” do you find dignified? Somehow blacks are beholden to liberal politics or they don’t know what’s good for them? From the likes of Rutherfords, Thors and Newts, who, from what I can tell, have virtually no connection to the urban black community they speak for?

    You’ll be shocked, really, really shocked to learn that I know a fair number of conservative gays too. Don’t know what’s “in their interests” either I suppose, right Newt? How insulting.

  63. I am confident that Ryan will prove to have been an excellent choice for Romney. Was there a different response from the liberal media or dems expected? Romney could’ve selected a Kennedy and the demonizing wailing would’ve followed — Chaz Maddow stretching any nexuses to something unsavory rather than giving honest commentary.

    Anybody have the pleasure of watching tingly-legs Mathews this morning? What an irrelevant horses ass.

  64. Here is the exact Armstrong family statement. In the photo Obama was doing exactly what they wanted.

    “The family statement concluded with a request: “For those who may ask what they can do to honor Neil, we have a simple request. Honor his example of service, accomplishment and modesty, and the next time you walk outside on a clear night and see the moon smiling down at you, think of Neil Armstrong and give him a wink.”

  65. Rotflmao! Looks like GOP nuked Trumps convention stunt. LOL. Of course the lying POS said he couldn’t make it. Yeah right. Like The Donald ever turned down a chance in front of the camera.

  66. Looking more and more like this hurricane is going to hit just west of New Orleans – the absolute worst place, because the surge hits on the right side, if memory serves.

    Guess we’re going to find out if all this money we spent on refortified levies and a competent governor in Jindal works better this time. I hope people have learned their lesson about leaving.

    I’m guessing it will and they have.

  67. “For those who may ask what they can do to honor Neil, we have a simple request. Honor his example of service, accomplishment and modesty, and the next time you walk outside on a clear night and see the moon smiling down at you, think of Neil Armstrong and give him a wink.”

    Imagine if they had a young girl or young boy staring skyward instead. . .

  68. Rmoney’s birther joke was funny, but I think it a poor decision on his part to make it while campaigning. He doesn’t have to pander to the birthers, they aren’t Obama voters. I know he’s trying very hard to be personable, but it often comes off awkwardly. If Obama is good at anything, it is campaigning. Rmoney’s been campaigning for 8 years now and he’s still poor at it. Adding Ryan to the ticket did help tremendously. I think a Christie or Rubio would have upstaged him ala Palin. Paul Ryan seems to be a good fit.

    I won’t vote for them, but we could do worse.

    I actually agree with Gorilla @ 67 😯 I don’t think it plays the same though with the 99 percent vs 1 percent. Money does get you past most, if not all of the concerns of ‘everybody’ as listed.

  69. Imagine if they had a young girl or young boy staring skyward instead. . .

    😆 I don’t know, Tigre. Putting that skinny ass in a rocket seat and aiming it toward the moon sends a tingle up my leg just thinking about it.

    Third week of January would be just about right for liftoff right out of the White house – in his Oval Office Seat, with a bust of Winston Churchill strapped to his chest with a big grin across its face. 😈

  70. This morning was one of Chris Matthews finest moments putting that ass Priebus on notice. I tweeted about it and lots agree with me based on replies and retweets.

  71. Priebus made a remark recently that hit home with me. It was just a summary following a longer statement and it went like this –

    “And we’re going to do something about it.”

    *tingles*

  72. I wonder if Elton John would allow R & R his talents…

    Hello, baby hello
    Haven’t seen your face for a while
    Have you quit doing time for me
    Or are you still the same spoiled child?

    Hello, I said, hello
    Is this the only place you thought to go
    Am I the only man you ever had
    Or am I just the last surviving friend that you know?

    Harmony Rmoney and me
    We’re pretty good company
    Looking for an island in our boat upon the sea
    Harmony Rmoney, Gee, I really love you
    And I want to love you forever
    And dream of the never, never, never leaving harmony Rmoney

    Hello, baby hello
    Open up your heart and let your feelings flow
    You’re not unlucky knowing me
    Keeping the speed real slow
    In any case I set my own pace
    By stealing the show, say hello, hello

    Harmony Rmoney and me
    We’re pretty good company
    Looking for an island in our boat upon the sea
    Harmony Rmoney, Gee, I really love you
    And I want to love you forever
    And dream of the never, never, never leaving harmony Rmoney

    Never leaving harmony Rmoney
    Harmony Rmoney
    Harmony Rmoney
    Harmony Rmoney

  73. I also agree about the Ryan proposals, but they are a discussion starting point.

    Austerity is desirable to gain control of our government spending, but it is a double-edged sword. If we suddenly cut spending on half of the population which has become dependent on tax money, we will be equivalent to a drug addict’s dropping the habit cold turkey.

  74. I agree gorrilla in number 69 too. We all have common concerns, goals and aspirations. Our concerns do diverge in small ways, not on racial grounds but by occupation or culture.It profits our leaders,especially Democrats to separate us by race. Martin Luther King would be angry.

  75. This was Mathews finest moment?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/27/chris-matthews-reince-priebus-birth-certificate_n_1832872.html

    Pffffft. That racist bastard Romney who like Obama’s former opponent brushed off the whole birther meme. Go get him. 🙄

    More MSNBC pretend outrage. Must have been a carry over from Mathews rage about Biden’s “in chains” comment too, right?

    Let’s get down to business and get to Romney’s Mormonism for the PC hawks on MSNBC. 🙄

  76. I won’t subject myself to Chris Matthews. Even when he’s right it feels so wrong and sleazy. I wish he and the anti-chris, aka Sean Hannity, would morph into one and we could watch them implode. Now THAT would be worth tuning in.

    Prelude for mañana?

  77. Despite all the whining and crying about how Romney is flip-flopped on a lot of issues, I would never trust a man, that as he gets older, doesn’t change his mind on the things he believed in as a youth.

    The only problem is Romney changes his mind within a year. These are hardly youthful ideas he’s abandoned.

    Also a good many people keep life-long beliefs beginning in their youth. Not so strange.

  78. Rutherford, it’s like you got hit in the head by a coconut and suddenly remembered that you’re not Mary Ann after all.

    I guess I’m Gilligan? 🙂

    I’m not voting for Romney because I care more about the unemployment rate than I do about women.

    I think you took me too literally. I was applying concerns outside of minority concerns RANDOMLY to each minority I mentioned. I could as easily have said “blacks are concerned with unemployment”. I was just trying to make the point that folks aren’t simply the minority to which they belong. It’s more complex than that.

  79. Gorilla I actually think your 67 is right on the money. BTW you strangely attributed my quote to Noah but beyond that you’re preaching to the choir.

    But I do have one question for you. Don’t you think some issues resonate with some groups more than others? Don’t you think Hispanics might have more of an affinity to immigration laws than others? Don’t you think blacks might be more sensitive about stop and frisk procedures?

    Your 67 is absolutely right but it ignores the fact that certain issues do speak to certain groups.

  80. Tigre, you actually make a good point in 71. It’s equally wrong for Noah OR me to think we know what is best for blacks. But that is different from saying THEY don’t know what is best for them. That does make them sound like children or stupid or both.

    The better question is how do we actually measure what the black community wants? Who can rightly speak for it? Or can no one speak for it because of its diversity?

    You would have loved Newt Gingrich on Hardball tonight. He asked Chris Matthews where he and Howard Fineman, two white guys, got off telling Michael Steele how he’s supposed to feel about being black. I’ll have to watch it again later because I was only half watching and didn’t notice Chris’ response.

  81. “I think you took me too literally.”

    No, I was just using the random that you picked and putting it against what I’m supposed to be entirely consumed with and voting against as a woman.

    ~

    Romney IS extreme! Did you see that CHORES WHEEL??!

  82. I know he’s trying very hard to be personable

    Poolman, racism is not personable. The birther movement at its core is racist. Romney is not. Therefore he should steer clear of it. Big time.

  83. He really put his guest in his place by shouting at and over him.

    It beats the crap out of what most hosts do. When someone spews nonsense you shout him down … or better yet physically throw his ass out of the studio. BTW Reince wasn’t Chris’ guest. They were both guests on Joe and Mika’s show. Neither Joe nor Mika had the balls to tell Reince he was full of sh*t.

    Tigre, you’re hitting one of my big hot buttons here. I’m tired of this new media trend where very opinion is equal and deserving of being heard. Some stuff is pure horsesh*t and should be called out as such right on the TV …and the sh*tter should be publicly shunned. Then we’d get less of it.

  84. R, though I think you missed it, Muffy really makes the same point at 95 (and her prior comment). And that reminds me that you’ve made the same comment about voting against their own interests when it comes to women too. Remember? The ones that didn’t consider Palin an affront to feminism (and your, by parity of reason, a beacon of it).

  85. LOL Poolman I don’t know where I saw it (maybe Bill Maher) but some comedian showed a series of photos that really looked like old Mitt was in love with Paul. Your spoof song reminded me of it.

  86. R, Mathews works for MSNBC. He’s not just a guest.

    Frankly, I’ve seen nothing quiet like the shouting at that goes on at MSNBC, particularly with Olbermann, Mathews and O’Donnell. Where do you see it? Honest question. I don’t watch or listen to much of the conservative media. I read it.

    I’m guessing you missed that some of the other guests and hosts didn’t agree that Romney’s comments were racist as much as a bad effort at humor. So they should’ve been shouted down too?

    What the hell has Reince do? I haven’t heard him speak before. I admit that he looks like a weenie. But what is that has your panties in such a twist over the guy?

  87. BTW, incivility is not appropriate R. I don’t care whose show your on. If you don’t like the guys ideas, challenge them. Had that been me, it would’ve taken all I had to keep from leaping across and giving that wussy Mathews a beat down for his lame Morton Downey Jr. impersonation.

  88. Tigre I think Chris pushed the Romney joke too far but when he jumped down Reince’s throat on the whole “European” meme I was right with him. It’s all part of the “he’s not one of us” meme, a tack that has not been taken with any prior POTUS.

  89. I’m tired of this new media trend where very opinion is equal and deserving of being heard.

    Did I read this right? Rutherford is FOR inequality?

  90. Rutherford,

    I don’t see the birther issue as racist. Maybe most of those that ascribe to it are, but the accusation isn’t. It speaks more toward illegitimate. Not American enough, you know, red-blooded and all. It conjures whitey in the head, but speaks to, ‘you’re not from these parts.’ Of course that’s usually followed by ‘are you, boy’. Okay. Restate: It’s racists acting in their normal mode with anyone deemed different. Well, they’re probably not the science crowd anyway. 😀

  91. “The birther movement at its core is racist. Romney is not. Therefore he should steer clear of it. Big time.”

    I think the larger issue is the whole idea that you think you know Obama all the while yapping about not knowing who Romney is. Personally I think that’s what he was getting at, but as with all bad jokes they’re as hard to explain away as they are flat and unfunny in the first place.

    Romney isn’t funny, per se. He’s a lot of things, he may even be fun – but he isn’t funny from what I can tell. I’ve heard him make one amusing remark and that was to Brian Williams. He should stick being “witty on rare occasions.”

    Neither is Obama funny, by the way – he’s more coolly mean than funny. Lots of people think they’re funny and they really aren’t gifted in that regard. And it’s just awkward or annoying – or offensive – when they try to be.

    The worst is the guy that jumps at the opportunity for every pun. It’s so Beevis and Butthead. Not to mention the dimwit that says “pardon the pun” when what he said wasn’t a even a pun.

    ~

    Thank Tigre. I remember too.

    ~

    I’m sad that Ron Paul isn’t speaking at the convention. I hope the tribute is fitting.

  92. The ones that didn’t consider Palin an affront to feminism (and your, by parity of reason, a beacon of it).

    How could I forget? For the longest time one of my most popular posts was the “John McCain Female Woman Haters Club”. 🙂

    Sorry regardless of whatever other issues might have mattered to women in 2008, how they could forgive McCain’s insult to feminism is beyond me.

  93. But what is that has your panties in such a twist over the guy?

    Like too many conservatives, you get the feeling with Reince that it’s personal. He doesn’t just have problems with Obama’s policies, he clearly does not like the man himself.

    You’re right, everyone there including Brokaw opposed Chris’ birther attack and I agree that Chris read more ill intent into it than it merited. What Chris should have said is that it’s not a joking matter and left it at that.

    BTW, the fact that Obama has joked about it is NOT a valid defense. When the target of ridicule deals with it using humor, that does not give license for everyone else to joke about it.

  94. Had that been me, it would’ve taken all I had to keep from leaping across …

    Did you read those guys’ faces? They were on the verge of fisticuffs, the both of them.

  95. Isaac was quite the blessing wasn’t he? Allowed the GOP to kick all the controversial speakers off the podium from Paul to butthead Trump.

    Hey Pools, are you still holding out hope for a Ron Paul revolution on the nominating floor tomorrow night?

  96. Wasn’t it rabbit that posted the Beavis and Butthead a while back? I couldn’t listen to the whole thing. Did people really watch that? It was kind of after my generation. We grew up on the stupidness of SNL. Oh, and Laugh in or Heehaw. lol

    I do tend to jump on a pun, and you’re right, it doesn’t always work. 😐

    Ron Paul declined to speak at the convention because they wanted him to throw his support behind Rmoney and censor his speech. He said nope. He won’t compromise, unlike the rest. Hasn’t in over 30 years and doesn’t need to now. They call that integrity. Generally isn’t a characteristic you find in politicians. I guess the better pols compromise all the time cause that’s how sausage is made. Something like that.

    He did speak at Paul fest, along with others. No censorship there. I am really getting tired of censors. Free speech is becoming a joke in America.

  97. Rutherford,

    Dr Paul had 7 states, then whittled down to 5 after RNC rule changes. They then changed rules to needing 8 states to be nominated, rather than 5. There’s still an internal battle raging. We’ll see how it plays out. Likely this will permanently splinter the GOP. It hasn’t been pretty and there have been many lawsuits from it.

    Right now the GOP is solid as a white-washed movie set wall.

  98. @#111 Rutherford, the feelings are mutual so get on with it.

    Obama disdains Republicans – collectively or individually. He insults them in every speech and freezes them off in Washington. It’s been that way since day one with him. You like to whine that they never gave him a chance, but that’s the victim in you talking.

    ”Sorry regardless of whatever other issues might have mattered to women in 2008, how they could forgive McCain’s insult to feminism is beyond me.”

    Why? You do the same thing and we forgive you. Hell Fat Granny does the same thing with her dumbass vagina columns.

  99. But I do have one question for you. Don’t you think some issues resonate with some groups more than others? Don’t you think Hispanics might have more of an affinity to immigration laws than others? Don’t you think blacks might be more sensitive about stop and frisk procedures?” – R

    No, I don’t. Unless you’re a Native American, we’re all immigrants at some point. Besides, that’s not the issue with immigration. The issue is people illegally coming to this nation, taking jobs, then taking that money and sending it out of country. The #2 source of income in Mexico is remittance payments from the United States. You want to talk about “stimulus”, billions of dollars are flowing out of the country to never be spent/taxed again- and this is only one of the myriad of issues associated with it.

    And I don’t think ANYONE wants to be stopped and frisked for no reason. That’s the point. We need to be applying the standard equally, but we never will as long as we pander to “special interests”.

  100. As for Resurgent Republics poll, please. The latest NBC poll had Dems – again – +9 points to the GOP and OBAMA WAS DOWN 1 POINT TO ROMNEY. I’m looking at the demos of ALL the polls now and I’m consistently seeing way too many Dems represented, and Romney keeps gaining, and gaining, and gaining…

    Independents are abandoning Obama left and right.

  101. “Has anyone noticed that Reince Priebus looks like a long lost cousin of Pee Wee Herman? 😆 “

    Yeah. 😆 Makes me miss that hot Troglodyte Alan Grayson.

  102. Hang on.

    R, you saw comparisons between Obama’s economic and health care policies to Europe’s racist or improper “he’s not one of us”)? Holy shit. That’s just dumb. The comparisons are so obvious to think they wouldn’t be mentioned is delusional no matter who was in office.

    This whole thing also makes it obvious that so much of this reflects your belief that Obama can not be criticized like any other candidate becuase of his race, not in spite of it.

    R you think calling us on the right “Obama haters” is some kind of slight without pausing to see the “Romney hate” that you consume and spew daily. Obama has said he despises Romney on a personal level. The dolts at MSNBC spend there days attacking Romney on a personal level in every conceivable way to paint him as “evil.” The problem? He’s a solid guy that wants to win. Unforgivable. Especially with that “you people” wife of his. 🙄

  103. Mathews “you think you’re wining here with that diabolical smile” is priceless. Yep. He’s making you look like an ass and you know it. That’s why you’re not smiling.

  104. I thought there were a number of polls that showed Romney winning the medicare debate. Which is what will happen when you have no plan and refuse to recognize that the entire system is doomed without changes. Such benevolence. 🙄

    Speaking of plans. . .

  105. We all know why Matthews is feigning sensitivity. There’s only one way Obama wins now. You’ve got to marginalize the failure and pretend Romney is a floundering racist.

    Obama is a disaster they MSNBC can’t hide it now, there’s an outside chance this election is getting away from Obama and the feeling palpable, Matthews was so in the tank for Obama four years ago, he’s in the same situation as Rutherford – feeling it’s a direct reflection on his former idiocy when he pissed himself over someone clearly an unqualified fraud.

    Matthews is a poorly watched hack, whose 15 minutes of fame were over with long ago. He should be treated with disdain. I wouldn’t care if someone spit in his face at the RNC; preferably a woman – in fact, I would howl with laughter.

    Tingles has become a punch line.

  106. Completely off topic, but remember when I told you they were going to determine weed not such a harmless alternative to binge drinking? I know better – and before it’s over, I believe they’re going to find it’s a carcinogen too. Anytime you irritate the membranes consistently, you’re asking for trouble.

    I had “friends” in high school that went through dramatic mood changes from the daily reefer. And most never recovered from it, ending up as pretty much dead beats in adulthood.

    Hate to be a prude – I’m just telling the personal experience:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9426205/Cannabis-smoking-permanently-lowers-IQ.html

  107. Rabbit, you are one one-track-minded motherf*cker. Seriously. Do you read? I told everyone in the last thread that the next article would NOT be about Obama’s “plan” so why are you still griping?

    You’ll get your post. Hell, the timing will be pretty good leading up to the Dem convention. But let’s be honest, you won’t like the post anyway so why are you clamoring for it?” – R

    Believe it when I see it…

  108. Illegals are not taking American jobs. That dog don’t hunt. Here in Arizona, most are legal workers. Any illegals that were here have gone back to Mexico or Central America where the economy is doing better than here. Others from Europe may have better blended with society in other states. I’m not sure about crack downs in other states, but unless you have papers here, you won’t last very long.

    Unless it’s the sex trade. Those seem to thrive and skirt the law.

    Some of the jobs illegals did aren’t being done. Farmlands are not being planted because there is no one to do the work. Farmers tried hiring Americans, but those that did show couldn’t do it. Too hard. We’re wimpy overall. Except for some crops, corn as example, that can easily be harvested with machinery, much more produce is now coming in from Mexico. Some of the land has been let go dormant. Some has been bought up by investors, but it isn’t local money.

    There is plenty of foreign investment here now. That’s the biggest change in the past 5 years. I don’t think there is half the farmland here compared to when I arrived in 94. The native folks remember a lot more than was here then. Houses were the biggest cash crop through the late 80s and 90’s, right up to 2006. Most prime farm lands were sold to developers for housing subdivisions.

    The restaurant and landscape jobs where a lot of illegals did work have struggled to stay in business. Most of them did not make it. We probably had too many anyway. Folks left and those that stayed ate out less and started putting off yard work or did it themselves. There is a slight increase in all things construction, but most of the commercial properties remain vacant.

  109. That was awesome, Tex. My wife would have grabbed me by the ear. Long long time ago before we were married she caught me in a bar talking to a chick with massive tits bulging out of her slutty dress. Out of nowhere my ear was twisted in such a position it was going to rip off if I didn’t walk with her. Out I went, the entire bar laughing at me like I was white trash on Jerry Springer.

  110. Hey I think Toolman found Obama’s immigration plan. It’s the same as his economic plan. Make things so bad in the U.S. that illegals go back to their Mother Land.

  111. I don’t buy the lesser IQ bull from smoking pot. Duke isn’t really unbiased research. I call bull. Heck, if that were truly the case, the PTB would be pushing it on us instead of keeping it illegal. Remember Reefer Madness? What a crock. They sure like us dumbed down. Even flouride does a bang up job there.

    Israel, for one has done much research on the benefits of pot. It’s a wonder drug. God made it, what do you expect? Its all good. Shrinks tumors and even prevents cancers. Just some of its proven properties.

  112. FWIW I support Paul not speaking but also firmly believe it speaks volumes to his character and not in a positive way. He essentially has nothing good to say about the Party or its duly popularly elected slate so he shouldn’t speak. His principles are sound but his ego and narcissism is loud and clear as well. Sour grapes from a sour man. His son shows how to roll. You want to change the machine ya get up in it.
    All that said I hope the video “tribute” has some class and isn’t a transparent and empty attempt to appease.

  113. It’s a good thing he didn’t provoke that real Yeti that attacks beef jerky enthusiasts….it could have been worse. I can’t believe people taunt that beast.

  114. re 140, I disagree with your take regarding Dr Paul, Alfie. Not too surprising. The party proves as corrupt as the rest of the government. They haven’t been man enough to even follow their own rules, changing them as fast as they can. They have done more to lose support this campaign, even as they have spent more than ever to buy votes. Sorry. Somebody mention the Whigs?

  115. Poolman, the House Republicans passed an Audit the Fed Bill. I knew that wouldn’t mean shit to you. Keep posting your fantasies online and pretending your noble pissing your vote away. Heaven forbid Democracy shows promise, that would ruin all your Illuminati stories.

  116. Rabbit, I KNOW the House passed it. It was Dr Paul’s 30 year effort that even got it there. Let’s see how the Senate deals with it, if Reid ever allows it on the floor.

    What democracy is showing progress? Progress is actually doing their job? What side of the Goldman Sachs teat are you sucking again? Oh yeah, the right side. 🙄

  117. Basic question for you Rutherford. If Obama couldn’t fix the economy over the past 4 years, what makes you think he can fix it over the next 4 years? Even if you want to claim (predictably) that it wasn’t his fault, how can he/you say it will be any better this time around?

    Obama promised to cut the debt in half. He failed miserably. He said back in 2008 by this time unemployment would be 5.6%. We have never been below 8% and real unemployment is over 10%. If we look at what he promised, and what he delivered, do you think he kept more, or broke more, promises?

    On the economy. Lets look at Obama’s credentials, and look at Romney’s. In your opinion whose is better? Now lets look at their job performance and accomplishments. Obama with our nation and Romney as Governor. Who has the better economic accomplishments?

  118. Reminds me of the rich kid that can’t win without cheating, so he gets his dad to put a fix in. Same sleazy tactics, bigger game.

  119. Riddle me this, mondo cottontail:

    With Goldman as Rmoney’s number one financial support, followed by JP Morgan Chase, Morgan Stanley, Bank of America, Credit Suisse Group, Citigroup, Barclays, Wells Fargo, etc., you really expect a return to democracy? Full steam ahead.

  120. BTW bunny, I like that Justin Amash from your state. He spoke at Paul fest. He seems genuine and on our side as opposed to the bankster’s.

  121. #71 Tigre, Pardon? I don’t even know what you are talking about. Do you? What connection do you have to “the urban black community?” “From the likes of Rutherfords, Thors and Newts, who, from what I can tell, have virtually no connection to the urban black community they speak for?
    You’ll be shocked, really, really shocked to learn that I know a fair number of conservative gays too. Don’t know what’s “in their interests” either I suppose, right Newt? How insulting.”

  122. I like it, Noah. 🙂

    God made hemlock too, Poolman. Too bad you didn’t get addicted to it in your research. There’s still time. Have some conium and see if it expands your mind.

  123. Addicted to stupidity, more like. Where was the Tool™ in Paul’s corner in 2008, douche bag?

    Home whacking the meat, stealing from the grand kids, delinquent on the house payment adding to the real estate bubble, and leader of the pack AT&T’s delinquent account file.

    Guess the Bammi didn’t come up with enough milk from the teat to satisfy the Tool™.

  124. Nope. Never satisfied with the status quo. 2008 I was trying to keep all the plates spinning without losing any, but ultimately most came crashing down. Opa. 😀

  125. Looks like our Oklahoma businessman has started a new trend across America. I’m seeing more and more of this type of signage.

    Good. The schmuck deserves to have his face slapped for abject stupidity. I wish somebody would add Lizzie Warren’s name to the line too.

  126. “#71 Tigre, Pardon? I don’t even know what you are talking about. Do you? What connection do you have to “the urban black community?”

    I live in it. I have family from it. But I was speaking of the resident Obamabots, you being one of them, and not me. I don’t pretend to speak for it.

    As for the gay community, you wrote at 47:

    “Rutherford, I for one am not surprised so few blacks are Republicans or support Romney. The better question is why do any gays vote Republican?”

    Rutherford already answered you at 52. Since I was talking about prior comments to the effect of “voting against their interest.” (applied by R to women and blacks), were you not paying attention or are you saying you meant something different about gays, dear?

    If you have some personal insight, please share it. This is the only time I’ve seen you actually follow one of your platitudes with something other than a misplaced Huffpo/Kos link. My curiosity is piqued. Hit me with that boomstick.

  127. “No, I don’t. Unless you’re a Native American, we’re all immigrants at some point. Besides, that’s not the issue with immigration. ”

    They’re not natives, either. Whether someone is a native depends on how far back you want to look, doesn’t it? Kind of makes the whole “native” argument for special treatment moot.

  128. “and before it’s over, I believe they’re going to find it’s a carcinogen too. Anytime you irritate the membranes consistently, you’re asking for trouble.”

    Except there is a major difference: people can smoke cigarettes nearly all their waking hours for years. Nobody can smoke that much pot. If it’s five times as dangerous and you can only tolerate the smoke in your air passages 1/30th as long — doesn’t matter.

    Compared to tobacco, pot is benign. Compared to alcohol, if it even causes ten percent to switch to pot, it’s a miracle and a blessing.

  129. The bad thing about the pro marijuana crowd is that you have morons like poolman claiming it cures cancer and its great for you.

    Over here in Michigan, it’s practically legal. What did the marijuana shops do? Sell packaged candy that is identical to Snickers (Stoners). So stupid on so many different levels.

    Also, far too many people drive stoned and work stoned.

    I’ve seen weed ruin lives like Tex points out. But, in my experience, that is kind of rare.

    Like most things, moderation is key.

    Its insane that we waste so many resources prosecuting weed smokers and growers. Ever since we went quasi legal, there is no Mexican weed here. That’s in itself makes the medical marijuana law worth it.

    Its supposed to be a free country. It should be legal.

  130. dead rabbit, a local man was flirting with an attractive woman last spring. His wife entered the bar and hit him in the chest with a crescent wrench.

    Studies showing smoking pot at a young age permanently alters IQ. Maybe that explains Obama.

  131. Speak for your region, Poolman, not ours. Teenagers regularly detasel corn each summer. It is hot, nasty work, but a good way for kids to pay for entertainment, school clothes, etc.

    I agree with you that Obama is solving the illegal problem with a bad economy and that more illegal Europeans than we know are here too.

    Too many natives have forgotten how to do hard physical work as you wrote. We can solve that problem with work permits and other regulated visitations which might lead to citizenship.

  132. This whole thing also makes it obvious that so much of this reflects your belief that Obama can not be criticized like any other candidate becuase of his race, not in spite of it.

    Tigre (and Gorilla) there is a very simple yardstick to be used here. Look at Presidents before Obama who did the same or similar things and see if the attack against them was identical to the attack against Obama.

    Find me quotes saying that from Teddy Roosevelt to Bill Clinton that any of those Presidents were pursuing “European strategies” with regard to health care and I’ll gladly concede the point. The meme in this case is not necessarily racist (you used that word, not I). The meme is Obama does not like America and wants to change it to something else PLUS he’s an outsider, he’s not one of us.

    Tigre the attacks against Romney have not been personal. They’ve focused mainly around Bain (his main claim to fame) and his own financial practices. Neither one personal.

  133. Except there is a major difference: people can smoke cigarettes nearly all their waking hours for years. Nobody can smoke that much pot. If it’s five times as dangerous and you can only tolerate the smoke in your air passages 1/30th as long — doesn’t matter.

    True. Except in a younger day when I did smoke a little choom, I also used to smoke a few cigarettes during this monotonous job – so I couldn’t mix the two. Sometimes, I would get up to well over a pack a day.

    And one pack of cigarettes never charred my throat like one small reefer, and I damn sure didn’t try exhale 1/30 as fast – just the opposite.

  134. The meme is Obama does not like America and wants to change it to something else PLUS he’s an outsider, he’s not one of us.

    I would say the meme is that President Choom doesn’t appreciate liberty or freedom, and believes in a massively expanded government role into every life. And that is failed Europe, my friend.

  135. Look at Presidents before Obama who did the same or similar things and see if the attack against them was identical to the attack against Obama.

    HillaryCare…and it was attacked just as vigorously as Obamacare, maybe more so.

    Tigre the attacks against Romney have not been personal.

    This Cutter skank calling Romney a felon wasn’t personal? 😯

    Harry Reid went on the Senate floor to accuse Mr. Romney of avoiding paying his taxes for ten years. That’s not personal?

    Romney is accused of shipping American jobs overseas, and thus, it is implied, he is to blame for the current high unemployment rates. I would call that personal.

    That Romney’s decision to close down a steel plant led to both the cancellation of a man’s insurance and the cancer death of his wife isn’t personal?

  136. Another stupid Republican in Pa compared a pregenancy by rape with an unwed affair.

    Why hasn’t Karl Rove or some GOP bigwig sent out a memo to all and sundry saying “for the next 70 days don’t say a goddam thing about rape … nothing, nada, bupkis.”

  137. I’ve seen weed ruin lives like Tex points out. But, in my experience, that is kind of rare.

    I know plenty who smoke/have smoked weed that it hasn’t ruined their lives. I can’t think of any that doing weed alone has. Some may have been better off not smoking and lost opportunities.

    What about alcohol? I know plenty. And not just ruining their own lives, but their family members’ lives. And often the lives of strangers when they operate a vehicle. Too numerous to count.

    But that’s legal. Nanny knows best. 🙄

    The bad thing about the pro marijuana crowd is that you have morons like poolman claiming it cures cancer and its great for you.

    Yeah, real moronic…

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1383240/Boy-brain-cancer-cured-secretly-fed-medical-marijuana-father.html

  138. Tigre you know not what you speak. I’ve watched Gingrich on these shows and he smiles when he’s bullsh*tting. He has no poker face at all. Especially with Matthews who Gingrich knows has some political chops.

  139. I thought there were a number of polls that showed Romney winning the medicare debate.

    I owe G a retroactive apology. I saw several polls today that have Romney and Obama at a statistical tie on Mediscare. This compares badly to Obama’s lead on the topic a few weeks ago.

  140. Really? Tax dodging. Causing cancer. I read lovely piece about the dog on the roof and what that signals about his compassion for his fellow man. The attacks on his”you peple” wife. Their wealth and how it is spent. His father’r legacy. It goes on and on as it always does. No question it will go to his Mormonism.

    Give me a fucking break R. You don’t even know what Bain does. I told you I watch MSNBC — I hear the shit daily. Your denying it is beyond laughable. Fucking jackals.

    As for outsider, what the hell do you think the attack on Romney is? He’s not like us. He’s rich and detached. He doesn’t understand your plight. Blah, blah, blah.

    Here’s something about the felonious, cancer inducing, life-crushing, malevolent SOB I just read:

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jan/30/chain-email/viral-internet-story-says-mitt-romney-helped-locat/

    Ass for Europe, I’ll look. Still a complete joke that given the European debt crisis and health care system you think the comparison off limits. Actually, your belief that your untouchable savior is being unfairly criticized makes the point. The comparisons are obvious.

  141. “Tigre you know not what you speak. I’ve watched Gingrich on these shows and he smiles when he’s bullsh*tting. He has no poker face at all. Especially with Matthews who Gingrich knows has some political chops.”

    R, I wouldn’t dare compare your experience in front of the t.v. with mine. Ever. But Mathews did the same “your smiling, I’m winning” thing three times in one day. Sorry dude. Mathews looks like an ass — and Gingrich got the best of him. The Mathews weird hostile demeanor would make me smile too. Really. His race card was full a long time ago and anyone debating him knows it. It’s such a put on. And you call it his “finest moment.” 😆

    Sometimes it’s hard to take you seriously R.

  142. Here you go R. Google time, 4 seconds:

    http://www.stripersonline.com/t/529477/so-the-democrats-want-hillary-care-here-like-in-the-uk-and-europe

    I saw a variety of FDR comparisons to European-style FP and bag dragged back into war. Does that count?

    I won’t continue. You can look for it yourself. Your belief that Obama’s signature debt and healthcare shouldn’t be compared to the collapsing European models becuase of some underlying message about his being “an outsider” is beyond stupid. Kerry was labeled a traitor by a lot of vets. Off limits too? 🙄

  143. Ok, comparing a black guy’s policy to Europe is now racist? During the health care debates, liberals were constantly telling us how great European health care is. So, you guys can compare Obama to Europe and we can’t…because it’s racist. Lol.

    Holy crap, if MSNBC only knew how little we give a shit about the dreaded, debate ending, racist label.

    Mathews finest moment. Laughable.

  144. Tigre, Rutherford knows all about Bain. Remember, he wrote an entire blog about it. Bain makes corporate power points and its proof why Romeny shouldn’t be president. because…..Bain is corporate and stuff and they use Power Point .

  145. Oh, Bain is also very successful. This is also why Romney shouldn’t be president because the corporate power points were ruthlessly effective and mean. They were very mean. And cancer causing.

  146. Bain is corporate and stuff and they use Power Point.

    I just read yesterday of the brain drain of doctors leaving Britain.

    There are so many ramifications, all bad in my book, of having our feckless government that can’t even construct their own budget to oversee healthcare, that’s it is just another in a long list of reasons America is surely going down the tubes because we refuse to cut ourselves loose in the name of humanity.

    What’s humane about letting our country go broke?

    We now elect a President from a populace so ignorant, that it enthusiastically campaigns for a failed model because of the empty promises of security, which can we can neither afford or will deliver.

    Obama is just a symptom gang. The problem is the idiocy that put him there.

  147. re: pot. I feel that, especially during times of severe stress I derived a tremendous amount of benefit from smoking dope. (If you want to see stress, put a country boy from the deepest gully in West Virginia indoors eighteen hours a day, with his only company a cadre of catty, backstabbing sissy-boys from the city.)

    There is nothing like going back home on a cold, clear October day, toking up and heading back into the mountain fire roads with your best buddy. All the little niggling stressors that you can’t get off your mind just vanish. Take a couple of .22s or BB guns, some cans, bring your dog along. Shoot the shit, talk about old times, have a beer or two. Pop a couple of beer cans with your rifle or pistol. By the end of the day you are a new man and you have life back in perspective.

    Of course, can’t do it now because that means losing one’s medical license, but I remember the old days very well and it’s a shame that, now we are in control, we put people in jail for long periods of time for doing what WE did every day.

  148. I agree. An occasional toke is like running an anti virus software for the brain. I swear occasional use as an adult is a good thing. Only takes one hit, too. Not so good its worth losing your career over.

    The funny thing is the most successful guy I know, so much so I have to be careful how I describe him as he’s practically a public figure, was a pot head when we were kids and still is. Dude is worth twenty or thirty million. Maybe a lot more.

    I can’t imagine being an everyday pot head though. Shit can make you lazy as hell.

    I’m with Tex. Terrible for the lungs too.

  149. Oh, I’m not condemning, brother Rabbit. Toke away. Pfesser is right on one point – it’s certainly not abused like a perfectly legal drug alcohol.

    Of course, they’re now determining alcohol has some real systemic killers to the bod unless partaking in very small quantities.

    Me? I just want to live as long as possible, as healthy as possible. And you’re never going to convince me THC is good for the body when it can “rewire” the brain. 😉

    Unless it’s someone like Newton.

  150. Click to Enlarge. You think those throngs of young rubes, standing in front of Styrofoam columns, chanting ‘Yes We Can!’ and ‘We Are the Ones…’ might live to regret their naivety four years later?

    We shall soon find out.

  151. Ha. No toking a way for the rabbit. I enjoy the aesthetics of a crystallized pungent professionally grown bud of forbidden fruit too much to ruin it by fire. So, I keep it in a secret jar in the basement, only replacing it when a new sample is dropped off by my botanist friend. Right now, if I open the jar it smells of bubble gum and blue berries. Rabbit will partake a couple times a year, deep into a Saturday night. Always by myself. The next morning I’m not sweating the small stuff.

  152. Yeah. Plan? Rutherford obviously doesn’t own a man card. Rutherford, here is how men handle a situation where we accept a challenge. We either rise to the occasion or admit defeat. You clearly accepted a challenge. You are being a complete and utter triangle. Give it the old college try. But, hiding behind the MSNBC bull shit….come on dude.

  153. I smoked cigarettes for 25 years, minimum a pack a day. 2 and a half for a few years when I was spending much time in a bar.

    If you guys found pot harsher or harder on your lungs and throat than that, you must be getting a hold of some nasty shit. Dirt weed maybe or some dusted with paraquat.

    I know some folks that use a vaporizer for their medical Marijuana. One guy only ingests it. This stuff today is all designer shit. The last bud I tasted was called Willie Nelson. Smooth and very tasty with a slight skunk twang.

    The uses for the plant are almost limitless. It’s was prescribed as medicine as far back as records go and up until 1939 in the USA. There are zero deaths attributed to cannabis. Zilch, nada, none.

  154. R, we need to talk. If you’re gonna butcher what I say while I’m on hold, that’s just not gonna work. Especially when you give me two minutes to respond to 10 minutes of Bubbles 5 minutes of that other clown who clearly doesn’t have an economic clue.

  155. New Jersey put Mitt over the top. You know, seeing what a pathetic loser he was in 2008, I’m actually happy for him. It’s a great honor to run for the highest office in the land.

    Good for Mitt. Now it’s time to beat him. 🙂

  156. Whoa…Rutherford. Did you watch #192 and what your messiah supports? Cold mofo, don’t you think?

    Better think about it, brother. The man is a sociopath and a loser. You going to really hitch your wagon to a Fat Grannies’ loser?

    And he deserves to not just be defeated, but frogmarched. Remember that when the time comes.

  157. Are you telling me Rabbit that if I go to Detroit I can buy a Snickers bar that will get me stoned? That doesn’t sound half bad.

    Hey I wonder if pot cures IBS? I can see the slogan now: “Take a hit and stop the sh*t.”

  158. Has anyone savored the irony yet of the GOP celebrating “We built it” inside a government financed convention center? 🙂

    Of course the Dems have their own irony. Next week the party of the people will be in a convention center named for Bank of America.

  159. There’s an updated study on it and I’m trying to find it.

    All of the major news outlets are reporting that the stimulus bill voted out of conference committee last night has a meager $789 billion price tag. This number is pure fantasy. No one believes that the increased funding for programs the left loves like Head Start, Medicaid, COBRA, and the Earned Income Tax Credit is in anyway temporary. No Congress under control of the left will ever cut funding for these programs. So what is the true cost of the stimulus if these spending increases are made permanent?

    Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) asked the Congressional Budget Office to estimate the impact of permanently extending the 20 most popular provisions of the stimulus bill. What did the CBO find? As you can see from the table below, the true 10 year cost of the stimulus bill $2.527 trillion in in spending with another $744 billion cost in debt servicing. Total bill for the Generational Theft Act: $3.27 trillion.

  160. “Essentially, Obama voted four times to murder this woman.”

    Wow do I smell bullsh*t here. So far we have G’s audio of Obama as a state senator. In that audio Obama asks why we need redundant legislation when a doctor’s code of ethics already protects failed “abortees”. He doesn’t say to kill them.

    I don’t have time this minute. I’ll completely debunk this later as the smell is so foul I may have to disinfect my iPhone.

  161. He doesn’t say to kill them.

    No, that would be more humane than what Obama is prescribing as Senator. Just put them out with the trash, and sooner or later, they’ll stop breathing on their own. 👿

  162. “If you’re gonna butcher what I say while I’m on hold, that’s just not gonna work. Especially when you give me two minutes to respond to 10 minutes of Bubbles 5 minutes of that other clown who clearly doesn’t have an economic clue.”

    Hey I have enough trouble juggling you and Sandi much less you Sandi and Alec. Consider it a compliment that I kept you on hold and let you back in2thefray after Alec.

  163. Sounds like old Ellen is the anti-Falwell.

    Except I don’t remember Jerry Falwell ever hoping for mass death of his adversaries….

    I have to admit the immediate 9/11 comments from Falwell made me mad enough, I wrote him a letter, telling him I was ashamed, and there was a time and a season for everything.

    Immediately after 9/11 was not the time. 😡

    Probably threw my note in the trash. Falwell was certainly not one of my favorites.

  164. “Probably threw my note in the trash. Falwell was certainly not one of my favorites.”

    Tex your idealism is endearing. Falwell never read your note. His handler looked to see if there was a donation enclosed and THEN threw it in the trash.

  165. His handler looked to see if there was a donation enclosed and THEN threw it in the trash.

    Probably.

    Like your Obama note. 🙂 Did you leave your wedding presents for the Bammi?

  166. Since I know the race issue is going to be front and center at the Dimocratic Convention along with the ‘women’s issues’ and the sacrament of abortion, and since their beloved African-American ebony adonis is half white, 43.5% arab, and 6.75% black….

    Would it be appropriate if we could get a few Allahu Akbars in unison from the beta male crowd for the women folk in attendance? 😀

  167. Toking alone can be a spiritual experience, Rutherford.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Falwell gave Christianity a foul odor. He isn’t the only one, but his stench still lingers.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Focus, focus, focus.

    Audit the Fed! Bug the crap out of Harry Reid. Prod his happy ass.

    Next up, audit the Pentagon and their covert accounting practices.

    How stupid are we? We’d do good to heed Dr. No. Like this stimulus bullshit. Too big to fail is too big to exist. How do we not get that? Man, they sell us a line and we just bend over. We got the bend over part down. It’s a Pavlovian genuflect. “Go for it Uncle. “You know best. “How hard is it gonna be this time? “How deep can you go? George Carlin said it. Bill Hicks said it. Now Lee Camp is saying it. We just shrug off these sodomizers and commence ripping each other up, dogfight style.

    Meanwhile, they calculate the odds and cast bets on each side. Grrrrrrrrr 😈

  168. Rutherford #166 Please remember we live in a different time. Using history as our guidebook I could just as well ask you to show me how unlikely FDR could have been elected if he was running against Kennedy in a primary. Staying with FDR although the MSM is better with POTUS’s kids,and I buy that on a bipartisan level,could even BHO or WJ Clinton have gotten away with hiding the wheelchair thing?
    In this day & age of PC and tolerance etc we have absolutely cast out civility somehow instead. Sad really.
    As for Romney the meme is clear and personal dude. Always has been and always will be. I’d also add that for “our” presidents and by that I mean what I perceive as the guys the thread folks have lived under and voted for…its always been personal. ( Reagan the B actor,Bush the Wimp,JFK the catholic etc…)
    I’d say TV is what brought this to a stove top and our crassness,bloodlust,stupidity and now the net have brought it to a high boil.

  169. Illegal immigration is always a topic brought forth when we talk about jobs that should be for US citizens. But how often do we hear of our government intentionally screwing over the job market and playing favorites. Talk about unpatriotic. This shit’s got to go along with the criminals that perpetuate it. The symbiotic relationship between business and government is killing us. If this is capitalism, then let’s cut its head off and be done with it.

    As if American businesses don’t have enough trouble competing with free traders, who exploit cheap labor in third world countries to make sizable profits, they are also fighting government-run corporations that pay prisoners pennies on the dollar to manufacture cheap goods and undercut private industry.

    Is it any wonder that the United States has the highest rate of incarceration in the industrialized world? According to a recent report on cable news, the U.S. government is using federal prison inmates to steal business away from civilian manufacturers by producing comparable merchandise for pennies on the dollar.

    http://www.blacklistednews.com/The_Prison_Industry_Stealing_U.S._Jobs/21251/0/0/0/Y/M.html

  170. LOL it’s funny Tex that you mention my Obama note. Yeah I’ll sign those “wish Barack a Happy Birthday” web pages but I know he doesn’t see them and I never give money which is what they’re really after. I don’t even know why I do it. Kinda my version of leaving cookies for Santa.

  171. Watching the GOP convention, about as exciting as drinking flat soda.

    Contrast that with the DIM convention, a lie, a gaffe and a laugh a minute. Send in the clowns:

    I didn’t get to see Ann Romney, but I understand she was very good – and that’s the Lib score on Twitter, Newton. In perspective, “For the first time in my life, I’m proud of America…” ~ Michelle “Chewy” Antoinette

    Christie is a more effective speaker than I thought – I can see his appeal.

  172. So Rutherford, per the previous thread I would ask that you watch this video and draw up for me your thoughts as it points out the seriousness of our situation should we continue on down the path of Obama policies. I will reserve my comments till after you respond and my questions so as not to taint what you might say.

  173. Well, BO is in Charlottesville today; that means it shuts down aviation for the entire southern part of Virginia. My 30 year-old stepdaughter is visiting with us before moving on to her next job; when she discovered that BO will be near, she fell all over herself racing to the scene of the crime, er speech, so she could see.

    It was all I could do to hold back and say nothing, but keeping household peace is top priority. That old saying about “not a liberal at age twenty means you have no heart, not a conservative at forty – no brain” kept coming mind, but I was able to swallow the vomit a little and keep to myself.

    The GOP needs to realize that these kind of people do NOT understand math; they understand “feelings.” Yes, I know they are stupid, but they VOTE. For God’s sake, come to the center a little, will you? Hell, who are the fundies going to vote for, a Democrat? Not bloody likely…

  174. @poolman 231: Thanks, man. After my experience with my own daughter, I was slipping into the depths of depression again, but seeing these little guys gives me slim hope that we may survive.

    Very godamned slim. Very, very slim. I’m going to study mandarin.

  175. “Leaving cookies for Santa.” I see a connection. Obama did drugs when he was younger. Santa and his flying reindeer are the result of a Sami drug high.

    Obama disgusted me when he broke into network programing to tell New Orleans residents to be careful and to prepare for the storm. He might as well have talked to a herd of cattle. They of all people know what to do now.

    It was blatently political, and probably a reaction to Bobby Jindkal
    s complaint that FEMA has been slow to respond to their requests for help.

    I still remember he had no time to worry about our flood.

    Our computer is in trouble again, so I have little time to read previous posts.

  176. James @235 “It was blatently political”

    I agree as that was my take when I heard Obama’s speech.

    The whole political arena is getting disgusting.

  177. I see R’s MSNBC, that isn’t required to give a voice to all as a media when it is as vile as comparing Obama’s policies to Europe’s, excluded coverage of minority speakers at the convention last night — then gave them the Uncle Tom treatment when called out.

    That’s right. Cut away from the undeserving voices of Artur Davis, Mia Love, and Ted Cruz, in favor of its bullshit commentary from Chaz Maddow, Pimp Sharpton, Dough Boy Schultz, Chris Tingle Toggle Matthews, Chris Muppet Hayes and Steve Schmidt Malt Liquor.

    Media slugs.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-white-party-20120828,0,7089439.story?track=rss

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/08/28/chuck_todd_gop_putting_minorities_in_front_at_convention_to_appear_diverse.html

  178. I thin Ann Romney did a fine job.

    Christie did too.

    Obama’s hurricane coverage was a joke. More giggling schoolgirl politics from the party of Hope & Change.

  179. Speaking of nationalism, looks like the SEALS who actually accomplished President Feckless’ one great claim to fame are turning on the lame bastard.

    Bissonnette also writes disparagingly that none of the SEALs were fans of President Barack Obama and knew that his administration would take credit for ordering the May 2011 raid. One of the SEALs said after the mission that they had just gotten Obama re-elected by carrying out the raid.

    Rutherford, the narrative is falling apart for Obama’s “big win” last year. Not reading like the Dimocrats want it to, and you can hardly call the guys who carried out the mission liars.

    Why do the SEALs hate Obama so, Rutherford? Can you answer that question? Surely, even a polemist like you can venture a guess.

    No wonder the Dims are trying to suppress the military vote. Will this mean you also start hating the military, “R”?

    Real men vote Republican. 😛

  180. Man, I got to tell you gals virtually all of you sure look pretty in red, minus that Fat Grannies crowd who looks pretty in full burka. The colors of heaven could make those swine look good.

    Ann Romney looked stunning last night. She’ll make a great First Lady, somebody with real class unlike that thing residing in the White House Right now. Someone that makes you proud to be American again.

    Remember that Black Widow dress that Chewy wore the night of Bammi’s coronation? I could literally feel my guts dissolving as I looked on in horror.

  181. And the Mormon issue has commenced! NPR devoted an hour this morning on the discussion. So far “Romney’s reticence to discuss his religion may indicate he is ashamed” and the beat goes on.

  182. A Troubling Chant on the Convention Floor

    Raji, The Harpers article is not quite truthful. According to the Latino side of FOX, the chants were protesting the credentials report and not directed toward the committeewoman. If you followed all the last minute rule changing that has gone on with the RNC you’d understand.

    The USA! USA! USA! chants that echoed throughout the convention floor as Puerto Rican Committeewoman Zoraida Fonalledas was on stage Monday were a result of Ron Paul supporters protesting the “Credentials Report” and had nothing to do with Puerto Rico, a Republican National Committee spokesperson told us.
    The convention floor was chaotic at around 4 p.m. when Fonalledas came out onto the stage, and the chants caused for a bit of an awkward moment.

    The official statement is below.

    “During today’s Republican Convention Committee Reports, the Ron Paul followers exercised their right to free speech and protested the report by the Committee on Credentials. The Report by the Chairwoman of the Permanent Organization Committee followed. The protesters continued their boisterous protest of the Credentials Report which spilled over to the rest of the proceedings. To be clear, the attempt to disrupt the proceedings had to do with the report, not the Puerto Rico National Committeewoman. Puerto Rico and its delegation play a very important role in this Convention, and are an integral partner in the National Committee”

    http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2012/08/29/republican-national-convention-fox-news-latino-reporter-notebook/

    The racist moment came when someone there (not a Ron Paul delegate) threw nuts at a black camera woman and supposedly claimed, “This is how we feed the animals.” That one person was forced out of the event.

  183. Tex, wonder why I would send my kids to a prison GP before an Atlanta Public School (some of the highest paid teachers in the country)? It’s all of the liberal success in education. TMOT says it best:

  184. And the Mormon issue has commenced!

    W knew it would come up. It has always been an underlying issue. Political correctness has probably kept it from the headlines for the most part. Much of the same group claiming Obama is a Muslim will have a problem with Mormonism. The religious factions within the right will not be as comfortable with a Mormon candidate as they would a ‘born again’ Christian one. They’re a little more comfortable with a Catholic one, though still suspect. Mormonism has always been considered a cult by mainstream Christianity. Though considered moral, hardworking, and honest, Mormon ideology is tainted and that sets them apart from total acceptance.

    That’s one of the detrimental components resulting from having wooed and catered to the religious right, bringing them full into the GOP. The common rail among them is the abortion debate and Rmoney himself has been straddling one in his political career.

    The longer this campaign goes on, the more it tends to fracture. As far as I can tell, the only common ground they still all cling to is ABO.

  185. @ 238 I saw the article about msnbc and could easily have imagined the LAT’s creative artwork.
    Rutherford….you come off as a guy who occasionally closes your eyes and rocks back and forth.To be honest I’ve been near full fetal in the past over some of the folks on my side. There are other times where you come out pretty early with a very credible “WTF”?
    I’m begging you to be in the latter mode today.

    I would think many (D)’s and even some (p)’s must be wondering what the knuckle heads at democrat mission control are thinking. Seriously R if your team plays like this the rest of the game the Brown v Coakley thing is going to look like a good thing compared to whats coming.

  186. the left will be offering commentary on the issues soon right? I mean all the feelings and lies thing isn’t all they have right?
    my wager is looking better every day R

  187. A blow to the right, countered by a blow to the left, countered by a blow to the right,, … Yeah, it blows. I for one, can’t wait till it blows over.

  188. question for the group and apologies to tex ho may be understandably sensitive to the topic….
    will west nile 2012 manifest itself politically like flu shot shortage of 2004?

  189. White Man’s Education!! 😆 Send them to Atlanta Public Schools then.

    They won’t learn a damn thing!!! 😆 😆 That was killer, Tigre. I thoroughly enjoyed that.

    Honesty is such a rarity anymore. Pleasure to listen to it.

  190. find behind? That was supposed to be hide behind.

    This may be the there we can put the final nail in the coffin of the lame stream media. They’re being busted left and left today.

    Buwahahahahahahaha

  191. Alfie, since Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Oklahoma are the primary states, and they are years away from even having a vaccine as the neuro-invasive type still rare by statistical standards, and being all those states I listed hard red at the Presidential level….

    Dims are probably rooting for a mass epidemic of the encephalitic WNV. Yeah, they’re that horrid.

  192. I liked Ann Romney’s speech. She’s awesome. I like the line that theirs is not a storybook marriage but a real marriage.

    Governor Christie was great. No beef with it over here. The talking heads over at MSNBC baffle me. I wouldn’t recommend watching them with any regularity. Let’s just say “view askew.”

    I’m really looking forward to Condie Rice tonight. And of course the man. Wonder what he’ll wear 🙂

  193. Yeah. It’s all over the news. Like it’s some kind of win. 🙄 Now the left is insisting that CNN come clean regarding the nut throwers. Apparently there were two.

    I’m certain we’ll get more playground ‘news’ from both sides. 🙄

  194. So, guess what I got to do today?

    The Director of my unnamed agency asked to have the new SEAL book No Easy Day reviewed for classified leaks. So, your’s truly and a couple others folks read the book this morning. No leaks, but it is an interesting read and gives good insight to folks not familiar with the community.

    I’ve worked with SEALs on and off over the years, so it wasn’t a huge shock to me, though I did have some professional interest in Geronimo.

    Anyway, the book doesn’t put Obama in a good light. It isn’t malicious, but it demonstrates that they (As well as pretty much every other National Security/DoD/military member I’ve known/met) don’t find Obama genuine or sincere. They called it, rightfully so, that Obama would attempt to spike the football and use it for re-election. They even went so far as to say, begrudgingly I might add, that because of what they did, that Obama would likely get re-elected. Of course, I think that didn’t have the legs Obama hoped and the SEALs feared, but alas they saw it as a political issue.

    What is interesting, is as he goes into Operation Neptune, you see that the role of Obama in it was much, much, much less than I think he has led folks to believe. This guy was also involved in the M/V Mearsk incident, and again, it becomes clear that Obama’s role in the operation – as in authorization of the shoot – has been way overblown. The SEALs acted on a liberal application of the standing order Obama had, which was only act if Phillips life was in danger. The SEALs said, he’s a hostage to Somali Pirates, therefore his life is in danger and so they took advantage of the first opportunity to pop the pirates.

    I guess what I’m saying is that this book deflates some of the bravado of the Administration when it comes to Terrorism, these two incidences in particular. They credit the authorization, but believe – as does every other American – that ANY other President would have made the same call. Well, maybe not Clinton since he DID wave off on a shot at bin Laden previously, BUT THAT is a different chat altogether…

  195. I’ve told you the story Gorilla about the Somali pirates? I know the father of one of the SEALS who fired the shots. Guess we’re not supposed to know that, but I do.

    Fricking cowardly President and his stooges left them sitting of the deck of a ship for three days waiting to fire a shot trying to calculate which way the wind was blowing.

    The father told me they could have nailed those guys a hundred times, and Obama had to take a poll or something before it became life or death. 😡

  196. FWIW When Bin Laden was killed all of my liberal friends and their friends immediately tweeted about the election. Dozens of instantaneous tweets as soon as the news broke – mostly along the lines of “how do you like me now?” It was insane.

  197. It is appalling to me the levels of propaganda and the vast resources devoted to it in Uncle Sam’s America nowadays. All of which are paid (or charged forward against future generations) through the illegally established federal reserve and IRS in our collective name. 😈

    It truly is a war for the human mind and spirit.

  198. Frankly Muffy, it’s a disgrace this election is even close. It only demonstrates how much this country is hanging by a thread and how irrational, amoral and dependent we’ve become as nation. And I mean that in all seriousness.

    Obama is as failure by every measure. An EPIC failure. The absolute worst President in my lifetime – far more dangerous than the buffoon Jimmah Carter.

    I can only hope there is huge silent majority that realizes the same, is tired of treading water, and is ready to put this sordid four years behind us and get the train rolling again. Because we are running out of time to get our house in order.

    One thing is for sure. If Republicans can’t win Congress and the Presidency, at best we get four more years of nothing but trillion dollar deficits.

    We can’t do that much longer.

  199. “will west nile 2012 manifest itself politically like flu shot shortage of 2004?”-Alfie

    “they are years away from even having a vaccine”-Tex

    On the other hand we have had a West Nile vaccine for the horses for the past ten years which is very effective if given annually. You would think by now there would be a human vaccine.

  200. James, this bring back some bad memories, old friend? 😯

    http://twitchy.com/2012/08/29/worse-than-katrina-pics-of-plaquemines-parish-where-rising-floods-strand-residents/?utm_source=autotweet&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter

    Not looking good for large swaths of Louisiana at the moment. I was hoping they’d be spared the forecast wrath. New Orleans may have escaped the worst, but not everybody did.

    Wish Isaac would send some of that rain to Oklahoma.

  201. O’Donnell is more than mind-numbingly stupid. He’s a Hollywood, West Wing shill. My first question to O’Donnell if I could interview him between blowups is, “how many moons do you see at night, Lawrence?”

    I encourage O’Donnell to do much more of this.

    However, I find that insinuation by O’Donnell a real insult to Tiger Woods, who actually does have talent besides banging the pancake server. Love him or hate him, Tiger is a prodigy.

    Obama seems to lack any talent. And now that Barry’s charisma is gone too, you’re not left with much more than platitudes and lies out of The Won’s mouth.

  202. “Obama disgusted me when he broke into network programing to tell New Orleans residents to be careful and to prepare for the storm”

    James you’re really bordering on Tex level insanity here. Isaac has caused much anxiety and it is the President’s job to reiterate safety warnings. You have every right to be angry if he neglected your neck of the woods but don’t blame him when he gets it right.

  203. “I agree as that was my take when I heard Obama’s speech. ”

    Raji this bar is starting to warp your mind. I need to start serving you different drinks. 🙂

  204. I really wanted to like Ann Romney. I don’t. I can’t put my finger on why just yet. I see lots of anger brimming under the surface of that smile. And the whole Helen Reddy “I am woman” subtheme was sexist as hell.

    Oh and she has a real marriage, like I don’t.

    Sorry I ain’t impressed.

  205. Now to Christie. That speech was so damn good that I can commit right now if he runs in 2016 he gets my vote.

    So two problems. First, Romney CANNOT top it. Mitt will be an embarrassing snooze-fest. Second, every time Christie mentioned Romney it sounded forced. Notice it took Chris half of his speech to even get to Mitt.

    2008 was a convention where no one was really buying the GOP candidate. This year is more of the same. None of the speakers are working hard to sell Mitt. The convention will climax tonight with golden boy Ryan”s speech and then it’s all down hill from there.

  206. Rutherford is bitter Rutherford is bitter Rutherford is bitter……..
    Seriously thoiugh dude you are a little,well,bitter. Ann Romney presented a speech meant to do something and for a guy to call it sexist is kind of laughable and well….bitter. Also it has to be said…fuck you re Helen Reddy stuff. If Helen did a duet with Hillary or Michelle you’d be all about the fucking rah rah sisterhood club shtick.
    Now you could knock it on the modernity we shop at IKEA and drink Starbuck lattes curve but thats not where the Romneys live nor do a lot of Americans. One of the reasons there is the quote of the lady saying she liked that Ann made being a mom ok again. Identity politics work in a lot of directions dude.
    BTW where exactly did Ann Romney or Mitt say shit about your marriage. Say it with me….b-i-t-t-e-r

    As for Obama getting Isaac right. Jindal is on the ground getting it right but then again that is kind of what governors do.

  207. R, the convention speeches didn’t get you to abandon your love of Obama? 😯 Not impressed with Ann Romney? 😯

    I’ll go way out on a limb here and say you think Ryan is slimy or doesn’t really like Romney for reasons you can’t put your finger on. 😆

    Thanks for the review. Insightful.

    Where’s the plan?

  208. Very bitter.

    Rutherford is the dog whistle of liberal blogs. When the dogs howl, you know the master is home and his name ain’t Barack. The louder the howling, the emptier the stomach and right now, Rutherford is being transported on the roof of the station wagon to be euthanized.

    Alfie, take that as the ultimate compliment from Rutherford.

    Rutherford is always complimentary when there’s no chance the Republican getting elected or running – hence, the Christie vote of confidence. 😆 😆 Rutherford loves two things: (1) a turncoat Republican and (2) MSNBC – the rest of them, he’s got no use for. Look for big things next week about how smart Charlie Crist is.

    You knew Ann Romney was going to get scalded by these hacks. And remember that about eight years from now if Christie comes up for election for something federal. Our resident poodle “R” will be gnashing his teeth, wailing about Christie as a good for nothing fat ass. 😉

  209. Its sexist. It racist. Waaaaah wahhhhhh. Sexist. Racist. Racist and sexist. Booooooooooooooorrrrrrring.

    Where is the blog on the plan? This is pathetic. You took a challenge in front of everyone. Have you no pride?

  210. Hey Rutherford,

    “Obama disgusted me when he broke into network programing to tell New Orleans residents to be careful and to prepare for the storm”

    Man, I know I’m a thorn in your bony ass, but I don’t think you can call James a thorn. And Raji? Hell, she’s on your side a lot more than my side. She’s not going to offend another lefty for the sake of offending.

    Let me help you out.

    What the both of them are trying to tell you nicely is Barack Obama is pretentious prick and only absorbed with self. 😈 Hell, even the hacks at MSNBC see through that malarkey about Obama caring for anyone but himself. They just can’t admit it without losing their dozens and dozens of viewers.

    This ain’t 2008. Barack is a known product – defective and useless, but incredibly dangerous. Like a broken canister of mustard gas – malodorous and yellow. One whiff might kill you.

  211. Damn, those were four good speeches in row. Ryan was absolutely awesome. SUCK ON THAT, Rutherford.

    Bitter tweet man, bitter. 😆

    Huckabee lit Obama up. People were complaining last night about nothing about Obama – not anymore. Huckabee was always a damn good speaker. Rice was good, Martinez was good.

    The Lib Meme tonight:

    It used to be you were racist if you said something negative about the Bammi. Now, you’re unChristian if you tell the truth about the Bammi record. 😈

    ——-

    You bunch deviant degenerates. You got nothing, Rutherford. Nothing but class division, dependency, deviancy, envy, covetnous, massive debt, and broken promises with a Stalinist sounding slogan. America will not thrive under the weight of your amoral philosophical arguments.

    It’s a disgrace this election is even close. You have failed by every measure.

    FORWARD BABY, MARCH FORWARD TO THE CHAMBER!

  212. Gawd, those tweets are bitter. 😆 You can literally hear the bony coccyx burning wood.

    Rutherford, you’re a damn fine gauge of Republican effectiveness!

    Who you going to get on to offset those Daniel Webster speeches?

    Maher? 😈

    Better pile on Bristol and Trig Palin while you still got the chance.

  213. Sure, but if the only way you can sell it is with a pack of lies…” — I hear ya. 25 minutes ago

    Sandi? ** GUFFAW **

    ROFLMAO

    You better venture over to Fat Grannies and Wattle Jeans to find some solace.

  214. More Love…from the middle class warriors and lover of wo… Oops.

    Dead bitches, cunts, and lying ass TP hos!!!

    Nice crowd you run with, “R”. 😉

    War on Women: ‘I want to murder Ann Romney’; Left hurls misogynist hate, death threats at multiple GOP women

    http://twitchy.com/2012/08/29/war-on-women-i-want-to-murder-ann-romney-left-hurls-misogynist-hate-death-threats-at-multiple-gop-women/

    I think it was Raji who talked about serious mommy issues? What would you call these folks?

  215. Since you boys and girls have been enjoying the tweets, let me reiterate something.

    Yes, Condi was just about presidential in demeanor and presentation. She was an adult with gravitas. She made Huckabee look like the hypocritical religious fraud (who ignores the commandment against gluttony) that he is.

    BUT when she talks about her journey from a girl who couldn’t sit at the Woolworth lunch counter to the Sec of State of the greatest nation in the world, she forgets her audience …. an audience obsessed with “states rights” … represented by Rand Paul’s retroactive opposition to 1960’s civil rights laws that allowed Condi to sit at that lunch counter.

    When Andrea Mitchell interviewed her after the speech, her eloquence devolved into a series of GOP talking points that I’m not sure even she believed.

  216. Finally before I retire for the evening, Huckabee, who I used to like, was the WORST ambassador for Christianity tonight that I have ever seen, and that is something considering I’ve been consorting with Tex Taylor for the past few years. 👿

    How you boys like McCain advocating more dead bodies in Afghanistan where our supposed allies flip a f*cking switch in their heads at a second’s notice and kill us?

    I can only hope that this week’s parade of hypocrites, liars and misguided farts fire up the Dem’s for a killer convention next week. We don’t need liberal sob stories next week … we need the appropriate level of outrage at what went down this week and a strong argument for not letting our government fall into their hands.

  217. Finally before I retire for the evening, Huckabee, who I used to like, was the WORST ambassador for Christianity tonight that I have ever seen, and that is something considering I’ve been consorting with Tex Taylor for the past few years. 👿

    ROFLMAO….

    Even a worse ambassador than this?

  218. Your chickens have come home, to ROOOOSSSSSSSSSSTTTTT.

    Sleep tight, Rutherford. The infinitely wise and Lucifer’s prophet Tool™man will be here to defend you soon.

    Then you’ll get a blog reminder of what counterfeit Christianity really looks like. 😉

  219. ‘We Built It’ hmmmmm. I don’t know if I want to claim credit for this mess. I don’t care so much who built it. I want to find the guys who can fix it, cuz it ain’t working.

    Slogans are trite. Speeches don’t fix a damn thing. If they did, we’d be smooth sailing. Good ones CAN motivate. These people don’t even write them. It’s a script written for them by professional and very expensive con artists. Of course the speakers are good actors. Image is essential in PRopaganda. This is the science of MANipulation™.

    Bush=Obama=Rmoney

    No matter who you vote for in 2012 – until we change the balance of power currently tipped in favor of the Fortune 500, fed daily by our money, time, energy, and attention, nothing will change but the rhetoric with which this singular agenda is sold to the public. Romney would continue exactly where Obama left off, just as Obama continued exactly where Bush left off.

    Ron Paul spoke over an hour Sunday and didn’t mention Rmoney or Obama. Not pre-written, it came from the heart. No teleprompters. Genuine. The real deal. Alas, we prefer paper or plastic.

  220. Then you’ll get a blog reminder of what counterfeit Christianity really looks like.

    Is that the one where you know all the words but still can’t sing the tune?

  221. Is that the one where you know all the words but still can’t sing the tune?

    No, it’s the one that directs the blog to a ‘Troofer Site’ for confirmation of our impeding doom.

  222. Blessed are the peacemakers and in God we trust passe?

    “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.”

    I smite thee stupidity, Paulian.

  223. re 320, And you think this is an actual blade or carnal weapon? Too bad you neglected the next verse. It would enlighten you to the knowledge that the “sword” Jesus implies is the truth, the very Word Himself. Parables aren’t understood without ears to hear, Homer.

  224. Damn lot of irrational hate coming from you R. That whipped up MSNBC kind too. Strange.

    I guess it’s going to be more accusations of racism, misogyny, zealotry, class warfare. . . gluttony. 😆

    What’s the gluttony commandment?

  225. Well I looked at some of the tweets and I have to say…
    Rutherford isn’t handling this too well.
    Rutherfords tweeters are crazy
    I fully expect some crazy tweets etc. next week from my side.
    As I told R in a post a while ago I must stay true so here goes.

    Rand Paul isn’t about keeping folks from THE lunch counter. He was and is about folks being allowed to decide things when it comes to THEIR lunch counter. He believes that folks would shun a segregated and that capitalism would both grace and crush such entities.Paul is naive in his outlook but little more. It was the path not taken…
    On the Ryan GM closure….You straw grasping lying motherfuckers!!!! You should be ashamed of yourselves.
    There are a few others. I really can be bothered to dive in

  226. That was about as nasty as old “R” has ever been to me. Now I’m the poor ambassador. 😈 Of course, the personal reaction was just the opposite of what he intended. God does work in mysterious ways.

    Then you get the closet lib and national parasite, Tool™man – the little Lib. When he starts in on the Pharisee garbage and American hating, you know the pain was felt across the leftist spectrum.

    First, I take that as compliment coming from Rutherford. He wouldn’t understand and I need not bother to explain. Second and more importantly to the room, it tells me last night’s Republican convention was highly, highly effective. Chaz Maddow and Rutherford are what I use to gauge the lefty environment. Rutherford’s Tweets and Chaz’s wild arm and hand flailing. MSNBC does serve one purpose. The redder the asses, the better things are going.

    And they were apoplectic last night.

  227. “Raji this bar is starting to warp your mind. I need to start serving you different drinks.”

    Whoops, have the guys been slipping me a “mickey” 😆

    Seriously R, when I heard Obama on the radio my first reaction was “politics”. His tone of voice held no compassion but I have to admit it was better than “good job brownie”.

    “I heard Ryan hates his mom.”- Tigre

    Now that’s not a good sign as that usually shows disrespect for women. A lot of people do think Ryan subjugates women to a lesser standard than men. Some comments on his speech have likened them to a SNL skit but very well prepared.

    “We don’t need liberal sob stories next week “-R

    Nope but bet you that’s what you’ll get! You really think the Dims can do better than the Repugs at a convention??? Convention mentality is all about wearing the hats and blowing the horns.

  228. It would enlighten you to the knowledge that the “sword” Jesus implies is the truth, the very Word Himself.

    Is your micro brain with your bulbous head still attached to your limp noodle of a body? Yes? Then you can safely assume, the sword not literal. Yet.

    I smite thee with something more effective.

    The correct translation, Paulian. 😉 I cast thee and your Jew hating OWS brothers behind me.

  229. Tigre, does this not sound like a female version of Poolman, with only the select few able intellectual czars able to interpret and assess for us masses of dumbasses that are incapable of understanding? 🙄

    This really is pure Paulian, with a little misandry thrown in for good measure:

    Now that’s not a good sign as that usually shows disrespect for women. A lot of people do think Ryan subjugates women to a lesser standard than men. Some comments on his speech have likened them to a SNL skit but very well prepared.

    Nope but bet you that’s what you’ll get! You really think the Dims can do better than the Repugs at a convention??? Convention mentality is all about wearing the hats and blowing the horns.

    Some posts simply leave me feeling with the YUCK factor. This was one.

  230. War on Women: ‘I want to murder Ann Romney’; Left hurls misogynist hate, death threats at multiple GOP women

    You know what pisses me off about this more than anything else? All Twitchy is, is a collection of regurgitated tweets with some snark thrown in by Michelle Malkin. Damn that witch …. why didn’t I think of that? You just toss up a bunch of tweets on the topic de jour and rake in the advertising revenues.

    P.S. As for the hate from the left … fine, I condemn it … like it means anything. There are wackjobs on both sides of the aisle and Twitter attracts many of them.

  231. A quick programming note: when I work on comments from my iPhone, I’m going to start using simple quotes instead of block quotes. It’s mechanically a lot simpler. So you’ll know I’m on the mobile phone if you see quotes instead of italics or blocks.

    You may now return to your scheduled broadcast.

  232. Rutherford –

    I just read an interesting article in that leading medical journal, The Economist. It suggests that our interactions with body flora is considerably more complex than we had thought. Specifically, it notes that patients with IBD often get remarkable relief of symptoms by ingesting probiotics such as yogurt regularly. They didn’t elaborate. Interestingly, they also opine that abnormal reactions to gut bacteria may trigger autoimmune diseases such as MS.

    (Aug 18-24 edition, The Economist)

  233. Two good moments from Ryan: The crack about the difference between his and Romney’s musical taste was funny. Ryan’s got AC/DC to Zeppelin.

    The image of the fading Obama poster in the bedroom of a college graduate who can’t afford to move out of Mommy’s house … damn powerful imagery.

    It’s a shame these guys don’t write their own speeches entirely. Still, the delivery was quite good.

    Dems have their work cut out for them next week.

  234. Regurgitated tweets demonstrating the vile, vacuous nature of liberalism. You forgot that part. And there is never a shortage of available material.

    From Hollywood to Blogwood, it’s what you guys and gals market in – hate, innuendo, propaganda, and lies. The Left has become the Ministry of Lies – some of it here. 😐

    Your model wouldn’t work. Oh, no doubt there are hate mongers you could gather, but not nearly the number or the intensity. The militia doesn’t generally traffic on Twitter. There are lying idiots, but generally nobody of consequence. Your idea of hate is what you witnessed last night at the Republican convention. Sorry, that doesn’t rise to physical threat or the vile and doesn’t sell past the MSNBC crowd – dozens and dozens of participants. You’re on the bleeding edge, my old friend.

    Best line of the night? What would change with another four years of Obama?

    I could answer that, as it would change. Obama, running without threat of reelection, would be worse – more spending, more incompetency, more thuggish tactics, and more threat. It would be the Chicago Way all the way.

    Add to the fact liberals are notoriously cheap with their own money, it is doubtful your advertising revenues would amount to much. 😛

  235. LOL funny PF that this would appear in the Economist. Unfortunately it is far from new news.The very first thing folks with IBS (I have IBS not IBD which are very different) are told is “take probiotics”. They worked for me for a while and then basically stopped working. A few weeks ago I got fed up and stopped both the probiotics and the fiber treatments and things got normal for a bit. Now it’s gotten a bit worse again but I’m trying to manage it through diet … particularly a bit less sugar.

    It’s hilarious … I googled “foods that constipate” and discovered most of them give me the runs. LOL … I’m ready for a friggin intestine transplant. Know any good donors? 🙂

    P.S. I’m becoming convinced that my condition is more physiological than the function of the intestine. I think my scoliosis is causing a problem with appropriate intestinal rhythms. I know … I should strop the armchair diagnoses but that’s me.

  236. Best line of the night? What would change with another four years of Obama?

    Mark Halperin just said this on Morning Joe … and I do agree. A very potent one-liner.

    Even if you believe things are getting slowly better (as I do) there is always the question … why not pick up the pace with a new guy?

  237. They didn’t elaborate. Interestingly, they also opine that abnormal reactions to gut bacteria may trigger autoimmune diseases such as MS.

    Validates what my Immunology professor, far and away the best instructor I ever had, hypothesized in her research, Pfesser.

    She also predicted that we would one day determine that many if not most of the autoimmune diseases are hormonally related. If you break the known autoimmune diseases statistically by gender, it becomes quite obvious that virtually all the autoimmune diseases lend themselves more predominantly to one gender or another. Obviously, it’s not a hard/fast rule, but statistically its significant.

    Haven’t heard much lately on the juvenile diabetes stuff, but my Professor was way ahead of the curve years ago on the beta cells of the pancreas being destroyed…

    I suppose if anything good came of the AIDS crisis, the pursuit of the field of Immunology was a big one. Frankly, I’m shocked we all don’t suffer from several forms of autoimmune disease, having a basic understanding of how immunity works, as the math will eventually work against.

    It’s quite a feat to recognize self from antigen when you think about it. 😮

  238. Even if you believe things are getting slowly better (as I do) there is always the question … why not pick up the pace with a new guy?

    Hard to understand how you could come to this conclusion. I don’t see anything getting better, and more likely appreciably worse. And even worse on the foreign front. Forgetting the massive debt for a minute…

    Take employment. Just last month, 44 of 50 states showed an uptick in unemployment numbers.

    That’s failure by any measure.

  239. Rutherford, personal question about your health. If you would share.

    Have you ever suffered from Pancreatitis?

    Have you recently had a complete blood work analysis? I’m not talking the normal routine – I’m talking the intense ion based blood makeup. Most people don’t receive that because of the cost.

    Calcium, potassium, magnesium, phospate, blah blah blah, thyroid factors, and especially enzymes?

    What did they do besides run a scope when they were making the diagnosis?

  240. “Remember when gas was two bucks a gallon because ‘Bush is an oil man?’ At four bucks a gallon, Obama must be Jed Clampett.”

    😆 The chickens have come home to roooossssstttttt… (in my best Jeremiah Wright voice).

  241. “Tigre, does this not sound like a female version of Poolman. . .”

    Yeah. It was gag worthy Raji. Ryan offered the type of praise for his mother that would make any parent proud — and it was so obviously sincere I’m sure it infuriated Rutherford. Sandra Fluke represents his beta male version of a woman. Talk about mommy issues. 😆

    This made up war on women shit is aimed at morons. The new substitute for PDS.

  242. Rutherford, three things.

    First, do you still view Ryan as a gift to dems? I think he pisses excellence!!!! (and he hates Tiger Woods ’cause he reminds him of Obama).

    Second, are you waiting for Obama to unveil his “plan” before you do? Apparently he’s going to reveal something at the convention. Something new that’s never been tried. Something that will save all of us. Something that had to wait until four years until the DNC and perhaps the debates. Shock and awe!

    Finally, if you really care about race relations and and gender issues (and I don’t you think you do), why aren’t you repulsed by the cheap manufactured conflict?

  243. First, do you still view Ryan as a gift to dems? I think he pisses excellence!!!! (and he hates Tiger Woods ’cause he reminds him of Obama).

    😆 And craps fire! I’m still giggling about that Tiger Wood reference. Talk about grasping for straws. It really did remind me out of Darren McGavin in Christmas story: “Not a finga!” Couldn’t come up with a crusher.

    Chris Matthews was drooling last night, unable to get word out edge wise, trembling with anger. Al Sharpton was his normal incoherent self (bluh bluh hrmph bluh bluh Trayvon™). Ed Schultz head swelled even further with union fury. Chaz Maddow appeared to treading water by dog paddling through air, with the occcasional dead’s man’s gasp going down.

    Rutherford’s Tweets had me laughing so hard, I thought I was going to faint.

    Overall, a wonderful evening.

  244. LOL Poolman — “purified musical excrement”. I could not have said it better myself. You just can’t make this stuff up, while the musical genre of the lynchers plays in the background, this fool sings his political hack song and the mindless throng bobs back and forth, all of them standing inside … wait for it …

    A GODDAM GOVERNMENT FUNDED CONVENTION CENTER

    This convention is turning me slowly but surely into the anti-Tex. We need to rid ourselves of these cousin-f*cking backwoods ignoramuses once and for all so we can march into the 21st century without the drag of these stupid hicks. 👿

  245. Rutherford,

    Are you pleased that the highlight of the Dim Convention will be Sandra “Parasitical” Fluke to highlight the war on women while attending one of America’s most expensive law schools?

    Will that be an outstanding moment, outside of Obama’s speech?

  246. This convention is turning me slowly but surely into the anti-Tex. We need to rid ourselves of these cousin-f*cking backwoods ignoramuses once and for all so we can march into the 21st century without the drag of these stupid hicks. 👿

    Being I’m the second worst ambassador to Christianity in America, can I be paired with Huckabee as we’re marched out? 😀

  247. I’m with Andrew Klavan on this one. I think this pretty much sums up my feelings about Mindless Spinning for NBC:

    Most of the time, I have no problem with MSNBC. Why shouldn’t Communist fatheads have something to watch on TV? Conversely, the well-dressed, well-spoken, sophisticated anchors who front the network news and lie by omission and distortion every night while pretending to report objectively — they seem corrupt and wicked to me. They need to be exposed, ridiculed, undermined, defeated and ultimately replaced by people who understand the importance of fair and balanced reporting in a free nation. But MSNBC leftists speaking as leftists — that seems honest enough, no matter what I may think of their philosophy… which is that it’s a recipe for disaster papered over with a facade of false virtue.

    MSNBC is like Chicken Soup for the Lost Souls. Fair enough…

  248. “Whoops, have the guys been slipping me a “mickey” 😆 “

    No Raji, that’s just Rutherford letting you know you’re just a little lesser in his eyes. Not entirely responsible for your own opinion, particularly when it’s against your own self-interests and in stark contrast to his idol worship of the great pretender.

    Funny, I thought survival was in everyone’s best interests.

  249. On the Ryan GM closure….You straw grasping lying motherfuckers!!!! You should be ashamed of yourselves.

    Are you shi**ing me????? Ryan outright lied and Scott Walker tried to pull the same BS and got his guts torn out by MSNBC truth-tellers.

    If Obama was responsible for the Janesville plant closing than you might as well say he was responsible for the holocaust and the Crucifixion as well.

  250. Rutherford perhaps you should lie down, dear. You’re getting the vapors. The blood is pounding too hard in your ears to make sense right now. Don’t try to talk. Maybe, just maybe, there’s more to the “outright lying” that clearheaded young man Ryan tried to pull last night that took all of 12 seconds for the wizards in the media to unravel.

  251. Rutherford check out the link I gave to Fox News, even they are calling Ryan a liar. You can’t make this stuff up.

  252. Have you ever suffered from Pancreatitis?

    Nope, never have.

    Honestly I have no idea how extensive my blood work has been. I’ve had blood tested a few times this year, once during my flu hospitalization, once for my cholesterol test (which I passed with flying colors).

    The GI guy ran a bunch of tests to rule out Chron’s and other IBD category ailments. The colonoscopy was pretty clean, showing some irritation (possibly due to the cleansing, I was told) and a bit of diverticulosis but no infections (itis). That led to a “process of elimination” diagnosis of IBS. And as you know, IBS has no cure … can only be “managed”. 😦

    Here’s my problem. Imodium sets me straight for a few days. Diet also helps. I DO NOT want to take Imodium as a prophylactic. So I only take it during an attack. And I don’t want to take it often for fear of becoming reliant on it.

    Fortunately, things have stabilized enough that I am more active than I was three or four months ago. Honestly, back then, I was afraid to leave the house. It was driving me crazy.

  253. Might want to take it easy on Rutherford. You can see by his going back on his word about post topic, to the RNC and the obvious truths thrown in his face, much more and the delicate guy might stroke out on us. As it is he rarely visits his own blog anymore. Maybe we should hold a charity day for R and just tell him he is right for a day. You don’t even have to really mean it. 😛

  254. LOL Tigre thinks I’m sickened by Ryan’s admiration of his mother and Muffy thinks I have the vapors!! LOL

    No Tigre, I have no problem with Ryan saluting his family. I find Ryan, on a personal level, more “real” than Ann Romney.

  255. well that didnt land right lets try again

    President____ Unemployment____ Jobs Created
    Ronald Regan __5.4%__________ 16.7 Mil
    Bill Clinton _____4.2% __________18.7 Mil
    GW Bush ______7.5%___________ 4.4 Mil
    Obama ________8.3%___________ 0.1 Mil

  256. “I find Ryan, on a personal level, more “real” than Ann Romney.”

    Huh?

    What’s your weirdness with women R? I still think you got mommy issues.

  257. “Second, are you waiting for Obama to unveil his “plan” before you do?” – Tigre

    Obviously.

    “Second, every time Christie mentioned Romney it sounded forced. Notice it took Chris half of his speech to even get to Mitt.

    2008 was a convention where no one was really buying the GOP candidate. This year is more of the same. None of the speakers are working hard to sell Mitt. The convention will climax tonight with golden boy Ryan”s speech and then it’s all down hill from there.”

    Yea, that’s probably why Christie endorsed Romney way back in October of last year.

  258. If Obama was responsible for the Janesville plant closing than you might as well say he was responsible for the holocaust and the Crucifixion as well.

    I want my $35,000,000,000.00 back in what Government Motors cost us taxpayers. And that, Obama and his lackeys are responsible for.

    Like Tool™man, Obama is reallocator – to his own pocket.

    And like Tool™man, Obama is thief.

  259. Tigre @#366 – Know what ran through my mind after Ann Romney spoke and I heard the negative gnashing and wailing from the left?

    Not enough hugs from mommy.

  260. Ripped Walker’s guts out. 😆

    You and I must have been watching two separate Scott Walker’s.

    Walker had Worf Schultz foaming at the mouth about managed bankruptcy. I guarantee you Worf has no idea what that means.

    Hasn’t Worf at MSNBC ever heard of the industry called airlines?

  261. R, group hug? Maybe we could help you cry it out?

    Gawd. Snap out of it and grow a pair.

    Ann Romney did a fine job. She proved she can handle the job of being first lady.

    Your reality t.v. critique is just. . . effeminate.

    So, what did you think of her wardrobe? 😆

  262. Mixed drink: Bitters

    Ingredients
    1. cascarilla
    2. cassia
    3. gentian
    4. orange peel
    5. quinine
    Bitters are prepared by infusion or distillation, using aromatic herbs, bark, roots, and/or fruit for their flavor and medicinal properties.

    I shall attempt to make a close rendition and have one in your honor Rutherford.

  263. “What’s the gluttony commandment?”

    😆

    Must be New Testament. Have you seen Debbie’s caboose? She could serve drinks off that thing.

  264. You’re party R…

    A major state-level teachers union accused a group promoting school choice for African-American families of supporting the notorious white supremacist group the Ku Klux Klan in a series of statements on Thursday.

    The Louisiana Federation of Teachers accused the Louisiana Black Alliance for Educational Options (BAEO) of advancing a “pro-KKK agenda,” in the words of one tweet sent from the union’s official Twitter account. Anotherclaimed that the group “endorses teaching that the KKK is good.”

    The BAEO works to “increase access to high-quality educational options for Black children by actively supporting parental choice policies and programs that empower low-income and working-class Black families,” according to its website.

    The teachers union asked BAEO over Twitter whether it supports teaching positive messages about the KKK. Unsatisfied with the group’s response, it unleashed a barrage of tweets claiming that BAEO endorses such teachings. Needless to say, those claims are false.

  265. Is there any doubt as to why we loath this idiot? Your hero R… Pathetic – him and you…

    MSNBC host Chris Matthews might have exaggerated his abilities to hear dog-whistle racism at this week’s Republican National Convention in Tampa,Newsbusters’ Jack Coleman noted.

    During Tuesday night’s coverage, Matthews made the case that he is well-positioned to judge racial issues because of where he lives, after having repeatedly insinuated that Republican figures are racist.

    “I go back to living in D.C. all these years. I’ve lived there 40 years, a black-majority city, and anybody who wants to get up early in Washington and drive down North Capitol and drive past Florida Ave., sees nothing but young, but black people up at 6:30 in the morning going to work,” Matthews said. “That’s where they’re going, to work, and not at big-wage jobs and not to get a welfare check, they’re out working hard all day and not coming home with a fantastic paycheck. So this notion of blacks live on welfare and whites live on work is a brilliant political ploy, but it’s not true, Rachel [Maddow]. And you know it. I know it.”

    That’s not exactly true. Matthews doesn’t live in the District of Columbia but instead lives in Chevy Chase, Md., described as “an affluent” Washington, D.C. suburb.

  266. No Raji, that’s just Rutherford letting you know you’re just a little lesser in his eyes.

    Pay no attention to Muffy. I’m a permanent member of the Raji fan club. 🙂

    Even when Muffy goes bonkers, I remain a faithful fan of hers too. 😉

  267. Sally Kohn is a paid contributor to Fox since she crawled out from under the OWS protests. She jumped the gun on this article though, which is neither well-written nor well-researched – merely well-retweeted. Don’t you people ever fact-check the Cutter woman before you swallow?

    Old Sally’s lost her swagger some along with the rest of you when Ryan emerged as VP pick, but she’s back on the smirk since the Akins remarks. She can’t articulate Obama’s plan either.

    She’s just your type, Rutherford.

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