Akin’s Comment Doesn’t Begin or End with Akin

Today I offer a quick shout-out to Missouri Representative Todd Akin for single-handedly exploding the Republican Party. For the uninitiated, Akin’s comments did not come out of the blue.

They are part of a long tradition of GOP medical gobbledygook regarding rape and pregnancy as detailed by Rachel Maddow.

For those who don’t want to sit through Rachel’s 20 minute presentation, here is a summary of Republicans being stupid:

James Leon Holmes — 1980 — Pregnancy from rape as frequent as snowfall in Miami.
Stephen Freind  — 1988 — Female secretions stop rape related pregnancies.
Clayton Williams — 1990 — Rape is like the weather, relax and enjoy it.
Henry Aldridge — 1995 — Juices don’t flow — it takes cooperation to get pregnant.
Fay Boozman — 1998 — Fear triggers hormonal changes that prevent pregnancy.

So Akin is another in a long line of GOP operatives spouting biological nonsense about rape. Akin is receiving enormous pressure to withdraw from his race against sitting Senator Claire McCaskill. If Republicans think Akin’s exit from the national stage will end the debate, they’ve got some more thinking to do. Akin’s brother in anti-abortion thought is none other than VP candidate Paul Ryan. Ryan and Akin co-sponsored HR3 (an abortion funding bill) that attempted, in its first draft, to refine the term rape to “forcible rape“. Sounds a bit like Akin’s “legitimate rape” doesn’t it? Despite the Romney campaign’s repudiation of Akin’s comment, Paul Ryan has Akin hanging around his neck and if Democrats are smart, that will remain the case regardless of Akin’s future.

While many women believe the life of the unborn takes top priority and forces the decision of whether or not to terminate a pregnancy, there is also a sizable number of women who want complete reproductive freedom, and at the very least, believe that rape and incest are valid reasons for an abortion. Any hopes the GOP might have had to bury Paul Ryan’s record on this subject have just blown up in their faces. Only pro-life absolutist women will stick with Romney/Ryan. The rest could be a lost cause for the ticket.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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742 thoughts on “Akin’s Comment Doesn’t Begin or End with Akin

  1. The list of Republicans who are pro-life, even in cases of rape or incest, is also long. And has been long for some time. And involves “current” members of congress.

    How could they have made it into office on their platform with this earth shattering revelation? 🙄

    So here we go with the typical liberal guilt by association shtick. R, are republicans in favor of rape? Stupid? Stand for something they didn’t before?

    More stoooopid MSNBC-level diversion.

    Let’s talk about your homework assignment, not Chaz Maddow’s nightly routine about everything but the topic of your homework assignment.

  2. Red herring. These are emotional and intended diversions. Keep your focus on the criminals steering this ship into the rocks. Let’s go full bore after these money changers and their war against us and humanity! Occupy a set.

  3. Newt, you appear to have an innate ability to locate the most dishonest bullshit on the interwebs. Gawd. Can’t you raise the bar even one centimeter?

  4. I often shake my head at the ignorance of men be they liberal or conservative regarding women’s reproductive and sexual organs. Somewhere in our education system we failed to educate the “boys” or they weren’t required to take Marriage and the Family 101. That said once again the “hot topic” of abortion has risen it’s ugly head now in the guise of what determines a rape to deter the candidates from dealing with the “real” issues at hand.

    Seriously, if this much campaign money is being spent just to determine where our next POTUS stands on women’s reproductive rights, I worry about the State of The Nation.

    Akin(R) should have his mouth washed out with soap and be required to take a course in SEX 101 but then Weiner (D) shouldn’t have wagged his wiener all over the internet. Count down: One for One.

  5. This is my position on rape and abortion. The day the penalty for rape is castration then that’s the day the courts can rule out an abortion for the victim.

  6. BTW, speaking of plagiarism, I gave you a shoutout by name on today’s radio show El Tigre! I gave you a hat tip for the article you sent me on the historical basis for the rape/pregnancy idiocy.

    On another note, Sandi and I split on my Twerp of the Week. I named Toure Twerp of the Week. Sandi disagreed.

  7. Tigre, you’ve missed Raji’s point.

    It’s awfully easy for men to command rape victims to give birth while the rapist (upon release from prison) gets to rape again and impregnate again.

    So while you’re demanding the rape victim carry to term, also demand that the rapist not put any other woman in that position, by snipping his gonads.

    Raji, have I understood you correctly? (Or were you being coy? 😉 )

  8. “It’s awfully easy for men to command rape victims to give birth”

    Really? I’ve never met a pro lifer in my life who has an “easy’ time with rape and pregnancy.

    I’ve also never heard of this psuedo science on rape and pregnancy before. But Fay Boozeman, state Senator from Arkansas, long dead, said it. Fay Boozeman. I’m sure I’m supposed to know who guys like Fay Boozeman are….but I don’t.

    So, you are pretending this stuff is prevalent theme among pro lifers and you are trying to somehow associate Romney with that dude I never heard of running for office. Yawn.

    We know why you really wrote this but I gave my word not to say a word.

  9. With no disrespect to the Boozeman family, I just had a laugh attack over Fay Boozeman. That list is hilarious!

  10. R @ 20, ????? Why would it be appropriate to force the woman to go to term even if the rapist were put to death?

    Oh well. I’m pretty dense. And a dick. I’m sure Raji will clear it all up for us. 😉

    (if only she could do the same for you with this bizarre post)

  11. R, again, here’s Obama’s economic plan in its entirety:

    “A 4.6-point increase in the marginal tax rate of 2 percent of the population.”

    You’re welcome.

  12. Warren Spahn
    Steve Carlton
    Eddie Plank
    Tom Glavine
    Lefty Grove
    Randy Johnson

    Name the list without cheating.

  13. “I gave you a hat tip for the article you sent me on the historical basis for the rape/pregnancy idiocy.”

    Shit. I would’ve hoped you went for the cunnilingus and sperm shooters DR mentioned.

  14. R, did Gorilla call in? As much as I love being the topic of discussion on the “air,” unless G called in I couldn’t bring myself to listen to Bubbles’ babbling unless I knew things might improve without a little G Love (and special sauce).

  15. Gawd, this post is pathetic. 😆

    But for the first time in months, it has allowed Rutherford to do the one thing he does best. Implicate, deflect, criticize all in one with his typical double standards in judgement, and get back to his predilection for ignoring the 10,000 pink elephant in the room named Obama.

    SEN. Ted KENNEDY (D-MA) walked away from manslaughter while drunk, even running for President in 1979, only 12 years after the drowning of Mary Jo Kopechne.

    SEN. JOHN EDWARDS (D-NC) – cheated on his dying wife, used campaign slush as hush money.

    PRES. BILL CLINTON (D-AR) – serial philanderer while in White House with 22 year old interns, speculated serial rapist and predator.

    REP BARNEY FRANK (D-MA) more than any other government official, responsible for the influence of pushing billions of credit swaps by Fannie Mae, even calling Fannie Mae a great stock buy one month before the financial crisis; ran male prostitution ring out of personal home.

    REP. JOHN YOUNG (D-Tex.):
    Colleen Gardner, a former staff secretary to Young, told the New York Times that Young increased her salary after she gave in to his sexual advances. In November, Young, who had run unopposed in the safe Democratic district five consecutive times, w More..as reelected with just 61 percent of the vote. The scandal wouldn’t go away, and in 1978 Young was defeated in a Democratic primary runoff.

    REP. ALLAN HOWE (D-Utah):
    Howe was arrested in Salt Lake City on charges of soliciting two policewomen posing as prostitutes. Howe insisted he was set up and refused to resign. But the Democratic Party distanced itself from his candidacy and he was trounced by his Republican opponent in the November election.

    REP. FRED RICHMOND (D-N.Y.):
    Richmond was arrested in Washington for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old boy. Richmond apologized for his actions, conceding he “made bad judgments involving my private life.” In spite of a Democratic primary opponent’s attempts to cash in on the headlines, Richmond easily won renomination and reelection. But his career came to an end four years later when, after pleading guilty to possession of marijuana and tax evasion – and amid allegations that he had his staff procure cocaine for him — he resigned his seat.

    REP. JOHN HINSON (D-Miss.):
    During his first reelection bid, Hinson stunned everyone by announcing that in 1976 he had been accused of committing an obscene act at a gay haunt in Virginia. Hinson, married and a strong conservative, added that in 1977 he had survived a fire in a gay D.C. movie theater. He was making the disclosure, he said, because he needed to clear his conscience. But he denied he was a homosexual and refused GOP demands that he resign. Hinson won reelection in a three-way race, with 39 percent of the vote. But three months later, he was arrested on charges of attempted oral sodomy in the restroom of a House office building. He resigned his seat on April 13, 1981.

    REP. ROBERT BAUMAN (D-Md.):
    Bauman, a leading “pro-family” conservative, pleaded innocent to a charge that he committed oral sodomy on a teenage boy in Washington. Married and the father of four, Bauman conceded that he had been an alcoholic but had been seeking treatment. The news came as a shock to voters of the rural, conservative district, and he lost to a Democrat in November.

    REP. DAN CRANE (R-Ill.) and REP. GERRY STUDDS (D-Mass.):
    The House ethics committee on July 14, 1983, announced that Crane and Studds had sexual relationships with teenage congressional pages — Crane with a 17-year-old female in 1980, Studds with a 17-year-old male in 1973. Both admitted the charges that same day, and Studds acknowledged he was gay. The committee voted to reprimand the two, but a back-bench Georgia Republican named Newt Gingrich argued that they should be expelled. The full House voted on July 20 instead to censure the two, the first time that ever happened for sexual misconduct. Crane, married and the father of six, was tearful in his apology to the House, while Studds refused to apologize. Crane’s conservative district voted him out in 1984, while the voters in Studds’s more liberal district were more forgiving. Studds won reelection in 1984 with 56 percent of the vote, and continued to win until he retired in 1996.

    SEN. BROCK ADAMS (D-Wash.):
    Seattle newspapers reported that Kari Tupper, the daughter of Adams’s longtime friends, filed a complaint against the Washington Democrat in July of 1987, charging sexual assault. She claimed she went to Adams’s house in March 1987 to get him to end a pattern of harassment, but that he drugged her and assaulted her. Adams denied any sexual assault, saying they only talked about her employment opportunities. Adams continued raising campaign funds and declared for a second term in February of 1992. But two weeks later the Seattle Times reported that eight other women were accusing Adams of sexual molestation over the past 20 years, describing a history of drugging and subsequent rape. Later that day, while still proclaiming his innocence, Adams ended his campaign.

    REP. JIM BATES (D-Calif.):
    Roll Call quoted former Bates aides in October 1988 saying that the San Diego Democrat made sexual advances toward female staffers. Bates called it a GOP-inspired smear campaign, but also apologized for anything he did that might have seemed inappropriate. The story came too close to Election Day to damage Bates, who won easily. However, the following October the ethics committee sent Bates a “letter of reproval” directing him to make a formal apology to the women who filed the complaint. Although the district was not thought to be hospitable to the GOP, Randy “Duke” Cunningham, a former Navy pilot who was once shot down over North Vietnam, ousted Bates in 1990 by fewer than 2,000 votes.

    REP. GUS SAVAGE (D-Ill.):
    Savage had fondled a Peace Corps volunteer while on an official visit to Zaire. Savage called the story a lie and blamed it on his political enemies and a racist media. (Savage is black.) In January 1990, the House ethics committee decided that the events did occur, but decided against any disciplinary action because Savage wrote a letter to the woman saying he “never intended to offend” her. Savage was reelected in 1990, but finally ousted in the 1992 primary by Mel Reynolds.

    REP. BARNEY FRANK (D-Mass.):
    In response to a story in the Washington Times, Frank confirmed that he hired Steve Gobie, a male prostitute, in 1985 to live with and work for him in his D.C. apartment. But Frank, who is gay, said he fired Gobie in 1987 when he learned he was using the apartment to run a prostitution service. The Boston Globe, among others, called on Frank to resign, but he refused. On July 19, 1990, the ethics committee recommended Frank be reprimanded because he “reflected discredit upon the House” by using his congressional office to fix 33 of Gobie’s parking tickets. Attempts to expel or censure Frank failed; instead the House voted 408-18 to reprimand him. The fury in Washington was not shared in Frank’s district, where he won reelection in 1990 with 66 percent of the vote, and has won by larger margins ever since.

    SEN. DANIEL INOUYE (D-Hawaii):
    In October 1992, Republican Senate nominee Rick Reed began running a campaign commercial that included a surreptitiously taped interview with Lenore Kwock, Inouye’s hairdresser. Kwock said Inouye had sexually forced himself on her in 1975 and continued a pattern of sexual harassment, even as Kwock continued to cut his hair over the years. Inouye, seeking a sixth term, denied the charges. And Kwock said that by running the commercial, Reed had caused her more pain than Inouye had. Reed was forced to pull the ad, and while many voters took out their anger on the Republican, Inouye was held to 57 percent of the vote – the lowest total of his career. A week later, a female Democratic state legislator announced that she had heard from nine other women who claimed Inouye had sexually harassed them over the past decade. But the women didn’t go public with their claims, the local press didn’t pursue the story, and the Senate Ethics Committee decided to drop the investigation because the accusers wouldn’t participate in an inquiry.

    REP MEL REYNOLDS (D-Ill.):
    Freshman Reynolds was indicted on Aug. 19, 1994, on charges of having sex with a 16-year-old campaign worker and then pressuring her to lie about it. Reynolds, who is black, denied the charges and said the investigation was racially motivated. The GOP belatedly put up a write-in candidate for November, but Reynolds dispatched him in the overwhelmingly Democratic district with little effort. Reynolds was convicted on Aug. 22, 1995 of 12 counts of sexual assault, obstruction of justice and solicitation of child pornography, was sentenced to five years in prison, and resigned his seat on October 1.

    Want me to go on?

  16. Lol. I forgot about the tickle fights. How quick would you guys punch a boss if he tried to tickle you? Fucking hilarious. Guy had a problem tickling dudes.

    Tex nailed it. Too easy.

  17. This is my position on rape and abortion. The day the penalty for rape is castration then that’s the day the courts can rule out an abortion for the victim.

    Fair enough. I would go one step farther and call violent rape an egregious enough crime worthy of execution on repeat offense, or if accompanied by vicious beating capital offense.

    But everyone knows rape constitutes a very small fractional percentage (less than 1%) of the 1,100,000 legalized abortions in the United States.

    So what do you propose to do with the 1,050,000 annual abortions done for simple convenience or eugenics? Ignore them? Because that is what we do.

  18. So I was right, Rabbit? If so…

    Since Spahn from my part of town, I knew he was still the top left handed winner. Met him several years ago, a blowhard still living his glory days. 😆

    I simply took a look at the list, determined they were all lefties and big winners (can’t remember Eddie Plank), and took an educated guess.

  19. These fake twits like Leftus Maximus here been screaming for more tax revenue. Coming right up…with some excellent suggestions for raising taxes. Here’s one of my favorite “loopholes” to end, using Bammi Rules as definition of rich:

    Beyond this, if Democrats demand truly serious tax increases, Republicans could propose capping the mortgage interest deduction so that houses worth more than $250,000 are ineligible. (You say that hits blue states harder? Darn!) Ending the deductibility of state property and income taxes — which would also hit residents of high-tax blue states harder — might also be worth it. These measures would be unpopular with a lot of voters, but they’d mostly be Democratic voters.

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/sunday-reflection-repeal-the-hollywood-tax-cuts/article/2503964#.UDQagKNEs4J

    All of these suggestion are excellent, by the way. I’ll happily pay the 20% movie ticket excise tax, being I go about once every two years. 😛

    Get to work Libs. We’ve found common ground for revenue!!!!

  20. “G Love (and special sauce)”

    OMG, that was funny my friend. No, I didn’t call. I actually forgot about the show and was driving at the time. I might need to set a reminder on the phone…

  21. As noted in the previous thread HR3 had over 200 cosponsors.
    I find the democrats actions to reek of desperation. Every shovel they scoop they think they are getting gold. They’re too stupid,vacant and inept to realize they’re just digging their own graves.
    Perhaps this is what has come of “shovel ready jobs”

  22. The Labor Department paid out hundreds of thousands of dollars in federal stimulus funds to a public relations firm to run more than 100 commercials touting the Obama administration’s “green training” job efforts on two popular MSNBC cable shows, records show.

    The commercials ran on MSNBC on shows hosted by Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann in 2009, but the contract didn’t report any jobs created, according to records recently reviewed by The Washington Times.

    Spending reports under the federal Recovery Act show $495,000 paid to McNeely Pigott & Fox Public Relations LLC, which the Labor Department hired to raise awareness “among employers and influencers about the [Job Corps] program’s existing and new training initiatives in high growth and environmentally friendly career areas” as well as spreading the word to prospective Job Corps enrollees.

    Ultimately, the firm negotiated ad buys for “two approved spots” airing 14 times per week for two months on “Countdown with Keith Olbermann” and “The Rachel Maddow Show,” according to a project report, which listed the number zero under a section of the report asking how many jobs had been created through the stimulus contract.

  23. Here is the page of the original first draft for introduction of HR 3
    THOMAS
    The TP link Rutherford provided links back to a Daily Beast article that blatantly lied about incest,minors and incapacitated females.
    I won’t even get into how it is unlikely the term “forcible” would matter since the resolution used the legally recognized state level term found in the criminal code ie RAPE. Adjectives are highly unlikely to have had an impact.
    And since I brought that up and since Rutherford is from the party of hailing states rights re rape (see his collusion in false Palin rape kit story) how was this law really going to come in2 force?????
    This was always 45% symbolism for the base,45% setting structures up for future use and 10% tweaking the opposition.
    I am personally so done with this non-story. Let the voters of MO “Show Me” and everyone else something in November,it is for them to decide not the flaks.

  24. Raji, have I understood you correctly? (Or were you being coy?- R @20

    R, you did understand my point which is make the penalty fit the crime! Maybe that eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth concept has something of value.

    Tigre, the point I am trying to make is abortion should be a non issue with regard to rape. Now as to the purpose of Rutherford’s post, I cannot claim to know what prompts R to write what he does but the timing was great 😉

  25. Oh God. . . I gave R’s radio show about 20 minutes. All the proof that someone needs to be on there challenging the twisted connections and totally distorted statements of others in the GOP. Read Newt’s article on King. Shit. So much dishonesty crammed into such little space.

  26. “Tigre, the point I am trying to make is abortion should be a non issue with regard to rape. Now as to the purpose of Rutherford’s post, I cannot claim to know what prompts R to write what he does but the timing was great.”

    Missed the castration connection. . . I guess. I agree with the premise as you’ve restated it.

    As for the prompts and timing of R’s posts, look no further than whatever is being broadcast on MSNBC.

    I do love the irony in Obama’s pandering about “male lawmakers” controlling health care decisions when that is precisely what Obamacare establishes.

  27. Raji, I am tired hell today. I suppose I am taking you too literally. I don’t see “an eye for an eye” which would be to rape the rapist (or implant an unwanted fetus?). Sounds to me more like some false gender equivalency argument.

    Castrate the guy and permit the abortion. Or kill the rapist so he suffers the same fate as the fetus. How about that?

  28. Been thinking about this post. And after some thought, though I had hoped Akin would get out for the sake of sheer party, this is Rutherford at his dead level worst. Even worse than accusing Sarah Palin of shooting Giffords.

    This is the duplicity, the untruthfulness, the hypocrisy written for all of us to see. What Akin said was stupid – real stupid.

    However, if Rutherford is going to hold all candidates to this standard of breaking principle or saying something imbecilic, then virtually every black Dimocratic candidate running would be out. Maxine Waters and Shelia Jackson Lee live their entire lives in stupid. Joe Biden would definitely be out. All of Obama’s henchmen would be fired, including that Stephanie Cutter who said Romney a felon.

    And Obama would never have been elected…remember when we could become energy independent if we all filled our tires properly?

    But Republicans are willing to do the right thing. Almost to a person, they have demanded Akin remove himself. Dimocrats haven’t the virtue to ever do the same.

  29. Shovel ready jobs. Money for a liberal circle jerk on MSNBC. 😦 Enraging.

    At my place of employment I witnessed 50 grand of stimulus money squandered. Stim money paid this useful idiot at work for a year to give power points on improving literacy. She didn’t have to teach one class as she was replaced with a sub, a job that pays 22 grand a year, no bennies. Poor woman. Dumb as a hammer but means well. Well, I couldn’t help myself. I used to teach this class called AP European History. As with all AP classes, a solid test score means college credit. It was possible to earn up to 7 credits in my class. Being the dick I am, I gave this class to the government paid “literacy coach” just to ruin administration’s hard on for the power points. I knew the “expert” would fail and fail miserably. The test scores are public knowledge and now the government funded program has to explain why the very person who ran the program took my 80% pass rate and cut it in half. I’d like to say it was politics that motivated me setting up this engineered debacle. But, it was nothing more then anti authoritarianism. Sometimes, in my small little pond that I reside, I just like to cause a little mayhem.

  30. Great list Tex. WTF does it have to do with the matter at hand? We’re talking about an ignorance-fueled animosity toward women documented over a period of time, establishing a pattern of GOP behavior.

    The draft of their current platform to be unveiled next week doubles down on it.

    So the Dem’s have a nice list of degenerates. What of it?

  31. So what do you propose to do with the 1,050,000 annual abortions done for simple convenience or eugenics?

    With regard to the topic of the article, this is a diversion and distraction. Totally irrelevant.

  32. Before I go to bed (don’t have time to review all comments tonight) I did want to get this comment in, particularly aimed at one of my favorites, Mr. Tex Taylor.

    Todd Akin is what you reaped when you sowed this love for the Tea Party and rejecting “business as usual” in Washington. Akin, God bless him, has said f*ck you to the establishment of the GOP. He has said that he was selected by the people to run against McCaskill. He has said that despite a poorly worded comment, he is running on principle and will not be thrown under the bus.

    Todd is EXACTLY what you asked for Tex. A guy ready to stir the sh*t. A guy who’s been fighting for your values in the House of Representatives. And now the guy you have been asking for may very well lose his Senate race AND bring the Romney/Ryan ticket down with him.

    Maybe it’s time you started cozying back up to the likes of other GOPhers like Tom Coburn … reasonable men willing to work across the aisle. Maybe it’s time you dropped the RINO bullsh*t and helped save your party.

    It’s Christine O’Donnell and Sharon Angle all over again dude. And I’m laughing all the way to November! 😆 😆

  33. Like we give a fuck about the topic of your article. We think this latest blog is a pathetic diversion, both personally and politically. You can’t take the words of a moron, attach them to the broader issue of abortion, then be a snippy little lap dog when we bring up the real issue: Almost all abortions are superficial in nature. If you believe the baby in the womb might be a human, this should be seen as some fucked up shit and needs to be forefront in national discourse. Some broach wearing ego maniac running for office who never learned how babies are made is an obvious distraction. Your list is limp. I was 7 years old when a few of those statements were made. Don’t even know half those dudes. But props. A Fay Boozeman smoke bomb. We were promised something a little more relevant then Fay Boozeman. Classic.

  34. So the Dem’s have a nice list of degenerates. What of it?

    Irrelevant? I was demonstrating how easy it is to play Chaz’s game. Took me about one minute to copy a list for you even more complete that your lame shit you quote from your lame, poorly watched station.

    I haven’t even gotten to the good stuff yet. Wait until I take your beloved black caucus to task for their little trysts and I’ll really show what a blowup doll you are, “boy.” What’s good for Marco is now good for you too.

    I wouldn’t count your chickens just yet in Missouri. We’ll see how big your mouth is in about 77 days. You got rolled once and you weren’t smart enough then to keep your smug little ass zipped then.

    You want to talk about chickens coming home to roost? This is the man you utterly worshiped less than four years ago. You made an ass out of yourself, as Obama made an ass out of your ignorance. Hoax and chains, Rutherford. What’s that make his puckering little sycophants like you? Stick that feather in your fedora.

    If you’re going to implicate an entire movement, a movement that shoved it straight up your gnarly ass I might add about 22 months ago, then I implicate you and your ilk with Idi Amin and Jesse “love child” Jackson.

    Maybe its time for you to quit cozying up to the degenerates.

  35. “So what do you propose to do with the 1,050,000 annual abortions done for simple convenience or eugenics?”

    Put condoms on 1,050,000 penises.

  36. “So what do you propose to do with the 1,050,000 annual abortions done for simple convenience or eugenics?”

    Raji replied:
    ‘Put condoms on 1,050,000 penises.’

    Or expose the nonsense that abortions are done for convenience or “eugenics.”

    I’m telling you, guys – you want to beat Obama. So do I. This kind of stuff is alienating the womenfolk and hardening their position such that they will NEVER vote for a Republican. Jesus Christ. Wise up, fellows, let it go, and try to repair the damage done by people like Akin.

    The Republican party needs to be: THE PARTY OF LOW TAXES AND SMALL GOVERNMENT AND NOTHING ELSE – Like it used to be. Until they take an agnostic position on abortion, porn – anything that involves personal choice – and tells the Religious Right to go piss up a rope – they are going to continue their slow decline into oblivion, as America continues to evolve into a secular society and religion becomes less and less important.

    The fact that old folks and hard-shell RR people reliably vote is the only thing that is keeping Republicans in power at all. They have made every possible maneuver to alienate women – 50% of the voters – and while the women are not marching on the streets, they are doing the next best thing: they are voting Democrat.

    Wise up, boys. If you want to beat Obama, act like it.

  37. I disagree with you, Pfesser.

    If that alienates “women folk”, then the problem is with “women folk”. And yes, almost 95% of abortions are done for convenience, hence your niece. And yes women, especially single “educated” women who I understand favor Obama are in large part and the same ones the loudest abortion on demand proponents, are hurting this country with their incredibly poor choices. In fact, their own lives are a series of poor choices.

    This dodging the truth is so unbecoming, it makes me vomit. It’s exactly why this nation is crumbling.

    But I fully admit for the next 77 days, this abortion and rape debate is a distraction that need not be debated. We can debate this at another time.

    I agree, Raji. 1,050,000 condoms. But what’s good for the goose is also good for the gander. If men are to have no say so in the decision, then they have no responsibility to foot the bill either.

    This is what needs to be debated vigorously:

  38. Ha Ha Ragi.

    I add a Minnesota Congressman to Tex’s list. I mentioned him before. He had sex in the bushes with a teenaged boy. The local Democrats want him to resign.

    Illinois Congressman Obama tried to get an infantcide law passed so doctors could let survivors of abortion die in empty rooms.

    Based on Rutherford’s line of thought, Democrats are a party of corrupt degenerates.with instincts toward killing babies. Democratic corruption knows no boundries.

    They bought the primary election which Akins won because they thought with his upredicably he was the weakest of three candidates. Democrats spent a million and a half dollars on Akin’s campaign which is more then he spent.

    Now, they cry crocodile tears because Akin said some terrible insulting things. They are rubbing their hands with glee over their masterful move to help Clair retain her seat.

    Rutherford’s post unfairly tarnished a political party with transgressions of a few, but his method is a double edged sword. Democrats, not the Tea Party reaped Todd Akin.

  39. And let me get back to Mr. Rutherford’s duplicity here. I figured out which politician he now takes his cue from, since his other wonderful previous choices, Obama and Weiner, haven’t worked out so well.

    I give you Lizzie Warren, like Rutherford always taking the low road. Read this article, which could have been written as a response to this POS Rutherford just wrote.

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view.bg?&articleid=1061154886&format=&page=1&listingType=opi

    And since Rutherford wishes to implicate the Tea Party in rape, then I think I’m going to start tying Rutherford and the Dimocratic to all those rapes that occurred at OWS rallies – that movement he wet his pants over, before he slithered off and went silent when they became such an embarrassment and liability.

    Seems Rutherford illustrious predictive capabilities have struck again.

    FAIL…

  40. Most of the people calling for Akin to drop out are Republicans. Sarah Palin supports one of the other two candidates’ running as a third party if Akin stays.

    Few if any Democrats have asked Akin to resign. Even Clair McCaskil hardly condemned him. She worried more about why Republicans would dump on him.

    It is a Democratic-engineered set up. By extension of Rutheroford’s logic, Democrats believe in willing and unwilling rape. Woopie Goldberg once refered to rape and rape rape.

    Rutherford’s line of reasoning allows one to conclude that not only are Democrats corrupt, baby killing degenerates with a low regard for women, but they think women are little more than baby incubators.

    For shame.

  41. Tex opined: “If that alienates “women folk”, then the problem is with “women folk”. And yes, almost 95% of abortions are done for convenience,”

    James noted: “Rutherford’s line of reasoning allows one to conclude that not only are Democrats corrupt, baby killing degenerates with a low regard for women, but they think women are little more than baby incubators.”

    Keep it up, boys. Keep it up. There is absolutely no reason to hope for a Romney presidency, because while the Republicans are great at attacking their opponent, they ignore the fact that they are eating themselves from the inside, too.

    Tell the ‘women folk’ that the problem is THEM. Good plan.

    God. Another four years.

  42. As noted in the previous thread HR3 had over 200 cosponsors.
    I find the democrats actions to reek of desperation. Every shovel they scoop they think they are getting gold.

    200 sponsors, so what? What matters is what names were on the sponsor list … and Ryan was one of them. He didn’t know what he was sponsoring when he endorsed “forcible rape”? He didn’t know what he was endorsing when he endorsed personhood?

    There’s nothing desperate here at all. The GOP keeps handing the Dem’s distracting talking points on a regular basis. When is the GOP going to run on the economy?

    You’re too smart for this Alfie. Put aside the blind partisanship and admit your party is missing the boat on this and needs course correction.

  43. Let the voters of MO “Show Me” and everyone else something in November,it is for them to decide not the flaks.

    So you’re pleased that Akin hasn’t stepped down?

  44. You know James, your just reminded me of something like the insufferable Whoopie Goldberg.

    Rutherford must be implicated not just with OWS, but with Roman Polanski’s anal rape of a drugged 13 year old. Because many in the Hollywood community, EXACTLY what Rutherford asked for in legion of Hollywood sycophants is ready to stir the sh*t, are in lockstep with Obama – some of his very biggest donors.

    A group who’s been fighting for Rutherford’s values, Hollywood that is.

  45. Has Guam tipped over yet?

    R, you really need to be careful with your Giffords’ logic and what you hitch your horse to on this one. You are embarrassing yourself.

  46. Keep it up, boys. Keep it up. There is absolutely no reason to hope for a Romney presidency, because while the Republicans are great at attacking their opponent, they ignore the fact that they are eating themselves from the inside, too.

    Tell the ‘women folk’ that the problem is THEM. Good plan.

    God. Another four years.

    You voted for Big O the first time. What lends you credibility in picking the quality of candidates? It was all Palin, of course. 🙄 You don’t seem to have much problem with a well documented imbecile named Joe Biden.

    Yours is conjecture. Mine is self-admitted fact. And no Pfesser. It is not you that is the absolute foundation of the Republican Party. Your more Larry Flynt than Paul Ryan.

    But did you not see the graph demonstrating everything we need to be talking about for the next 77 days. No, you read into my post what you wanted to read into my post.

    Go back to your pervert novels. You’re useless in the debate.

  47. I’m surprised Raji stands behind Alfie’s 43.

    Alfie is talking himself blue in the face to avoid the obvious. The GOP, through their legislative language and the platform plank currently on the table, shows its total disregard for women in a time of crisis. They better adjust or the gender gap this November will get wider.

    BUT that said, I give the radical pro-life contingent of the GOP some props for not being hypocrites. As I’ve said before, if you believe in the rape/incest exception, you’re really not pro-life.

  48. As for the prompts and timing of R’s posts, look no further than whatever is being broadcast on MSNBC.

    Get your head out of your ass. It’s being broadcast everywhere. Your Akin and your party are currently a mass embarrassment to the country.

  49. Regarding PR spending using stim funds. Of course no new jobs were created directly by that contract. It’s a stupid conclusion. Did anyone bother to research how many jobs were created indirectly by the ad campaign because of increased awareness from potential employers? No, delving into that would defeat the purpose of the smear article.

    P.S. It has been documented that the Bush admin fed daily talking points directly to Fox News so please …. save your outrage.

  50. The GOP, through their legislative language and the platform plank currently on the table, shows its total disregard for women in a time of crisis.

    Where’s the lefty crisis pregnancy centers again? Where’s its personal charities? Where’s the Habitat for Humanity you sponsor? Where’s the lefty Salvation Army?

    You phony clods don’t do shit of your own accord. Your idea of charity is to drop a quarter in a tin cup. Pleazzzze. Your about as legitimate in your criticism as your spiritual mentor Rev. Wright was of condemning white devils, and the moving into their 98% white neighborhood on the backs of his poor, stupid, black parishioners.

    Oh, I forget. It’s taxpayer funded Planned Parenthood. That will get ‘um through women in a time of crisis. I keep forgetting forced taxation through Caesar to administer the butcherings is your idea of assistance.

    Chaz Maddow marionette.

  51. However, if Rutherford is going to hold all candidates to this standard of breaking principle …

    You’ve created a false argument. Where in the article do I say I think Akin should drop out of the race? I’m delighted as hell that he’s sticking around … for two reasons. First I DO like seeing him stick it to the GOP who doesn’t give a rat’s ass about any offense he might have given, but simply want to save their own hides.

    Second, his lead over McCaskill has narrowed. She now has a chance. And of course, his public faux pas shined a spotlight on Ryan’s staunch pro-life stance. It’s the gift that keeps on giving!

    I assure you, if Akin had made this comment outside of an election cycle, the GOP would not have said squat. And you know it.

  52. Gloria Steinman and several other members of NOW have condemned the Democratic National Committee for discrimination against mothers with young children at the Democratic Convention.

    We have already established that Democrats hate and exploit women. Now Gloria confirms it.

    The Democrats, not Republicans gave us Akins. They would not have spent a million and a half dollars on his campaign if they did not think he would deliver, and he unwittingly did.

    If the press did its job, the world would know what an embarrassment Democrats are to this country. Obama asked “what’s up?” to open a speech a couple of years ago. Now, I understand his question.

    We have spent 19 hours in two days to paint an historic building and museum. As Obama said ” You didn’t” paint this museum. Thanks to all of you for the hard work you have done to help make our paint job possible..

  53. “A lot of people are hurting out there. Unemployment is 8.3 percent. That doesn’t even take into account the underemployed,” he said, arguing that too much time has been spent not talking about the economy.

    Tapper also criticized the media for not giving enough attention to the war in Afghanistan.

    “We are spending a lot of time in the last few weeks, those of us in the political world, political journalists and also politicians, talking about things other than the economy,” said Tapper. “[A] lot of people are hurting out there. I’d like to see more action taken and more emphasis given to this issue.”

    Tapper also said he relates to Mark Halperin’s recent comments about the media. Over the weekend, Halperin said, “I think the press still likes this story a lot, the media is very susceptible to doing what the Obama campaign wants, which is to focus on this.”

    “I have said before… [that I] thought the media helped tip the scales. I didn’t think the coverage in 2008 was especially fair to either Hilary Clinton or John McCain,” Tapper said.

    On the 2008 coverage, he noted, “Sometimes I saw with story selection, magazine covers, photos picked, [the] campaign narrative, that it wasn’t always the fairest coverage.”

    White House reporter Jake Tapper

    I suppose Tapper is a Romney shill to, hey?

  54. I assure you, if Akin had made this comment outside of an election cycle, the GOP would not have said squat. And you know it.

    A minor distraction of a stupid man, making an even stupider comment.

    Had Obama had an kind of record to run on instead of epic failure, the Obama lackeys trying to make it a national issue would not have said squat. And you know it.

    I implicate you in the OWS rapes – you supported them, you bred them, you made them. You should get back to supporting Dim candidates willing to work across the aisles: like Joe Liberman.

    But we quickly forget. Joe’s a traitor, isn’t he?

    Hypocrite.

  55. Like you, Rutherford, Democrats hope Akins stays in the game because they put him there.

    I agree, if this wasn’t a political race, Republicans would have reduced their cries to hostile muttering. Politics is a cynical affair. I do appreciate your opening the door to such hypocracy. It is fun throwing outrageous insults.

  56. Our president has demonstrate “such trash” approximates his views. He supported letting failed aborted babies die.

  57. Like we give a fuck about the topic of your article.

    Not sure who you think you’re speaking for with that “we”. Lots of women care a lot about the topic of the article. And your comment contains an internal inconsistency. Either you want the topic at the forefront of American debate …. or you find it a distraction.

    Make up your mind dude.

  58. Maybe its time for you to quit cozying up to the degenerates.

    Pray your buddies get on message Tex or they will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

    Note to Newt and Thor — I’d advise you stay off the blog the day after the election if Obama wins. The bitterness among the majority here will be palpable. It might get very ugly.

  59. The Republican party needs to be: THE PARTY OF LOW TAXES AND SMALL GOVERNMENT AND NOTHING ELSE

    And you said we never agree on anything. Bravo PF!!!

    These folks admire what John Boehner called knuckle draggers. Instead of simply advocating the sanctity of life, they have to go the next step and demonize the woman, implying she gets an abortion like she’s blowing her nose.

    And you know what boys? It makes you look like misogynistic a$$holes. Advocate for the baby all you want. I have no argument with that. But stop demonizing the women.

    PF is right, many many women do not want you up their vagina. If this were not the case, Romney would not have thrown Ryan’s absolutist position on abortion out the window. Romney is embracing the rape/incest exception to appease women voters.

    Unlike PF, I’m just sitting back enjoying the self-immolation.

    P.S. Your dumbass party couldn’t even wait a week before knocking Biden off the headlines. Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!! 😆

  60. “Your Akin and your party are currently a mass embarrassment to the country.”

    Why are you only picking up on it now, Mr. In-The-Know? You cited all of your so-called examples of the GOP “platform” from over a 30 year period. The postions on abortion havenlt changed any. You’re just playing media stooge.

    Romney and the GOP have asked him sot step aside. WTF are you prattling on and on about? Abortion rights are now your big concern? Or is the made-up “attack on women?” The lowest of the campaign rhetoric directed at the unthinking, Whoppie Goldeberg, moron crowd. You’re better than this.

    Now let’s get to Obama’s fiscal policy. We’ve been pleading for it here, and you’ve been talking about tax returns and a MO candidate.

    Bring us the real issues. We can watch MSNBC for ourselves if we want the other bullshit. You;re pulling a faux outrage Giffords event. . . again. Obama sucks balls and you know it.

  61. Rutherford @ 77, reread Alfie’s #43

    “1.Adjectives are highly unlikely to have had an impact

    2.how was this law really going to come in2 force?????

    3.I am personally so done with this non-story”

    How can I not agree? The GOP platform has and always will be in total disregard for women’s reproductive rights and James is probably right that Democrats especially Southern male democrats hate and exploit women. Since those facts are not going to change let’s move on to the important issues.

    I do agree R that this topic is being broadcasted everywhere. Every Facebook page is blasting it. I once wrote about “smart like a fox” where everyone knows your name but I take that back as Akins is dumber than a chicken.

  62. If that alienates “women folk”, then the problem is with “women folk”.

    And that will lose you the election. Substitute the word “voter” for “women folk” and maybe you’ll get the message. You even admitted now is not the time.

    Nicole Wallace, one of my favorite Republicans said sometime last year she wished the GOP would stop being the party of stupid. She’s damn right.

  63. like Rutherford always taking the low road. Akin says in the most kindly manner that some rapes are not rapes and I’m taking the low road. You’re the reason the GOP may lose in November. Your head is so far up your ass you can taste your own tongue.

  64. Man, How did I miss this? I just heard TMOT tell of it and sure enough. What an ass! At a press event in California someone asked Rmoney:

    “Governor Romney, it is true, is it not that you had four deferments from the Vietnam War… You have said before that you support war and the efforts of US military involvement overseas at all costs, yet you made sure you would never go to war yourself. What makes you think that veterans and those currently serving in the military think that you have their best interests at heart when you yourself weren’t even interested in sacrificing your time, energy, or life for your nation at a time when it seemed most crucial?”

    His answer:

    “That’s a good question, young man, and I would be happy to answer it. The Vietnam War came at a time in my life when I had other plans. I knew in my heart of hearts that I would one day serve my nation. That I would one day hold an office that would help not only our nation, but also the world. So I did what I could to make sure that I would be around to serve my nation, as well as serving God by teaching very important religious principles to a broader audience overseas. My father did not want me serving, and he convinced me that yes, I was too important to go to Vietnam. I had a greater purpose in life. I wasn’t neglecting my nation, but rather preparing myself for a future of service.”

    The response:

    An onlooker that seemingly was a Vietnam veteran shouted, “Fuck you, Romney! You wouldn’t know service if it bit you on your well manicured ass.” To which Romney responded, “Please don’t be testy, my friend. I did what I did for you, and I thank you for your service as well.” That same veteran responded, “You only served yourself, you jackass. You could’ve served your nation even if your draft number wasn’t called… but you didn’t… you chose to serve yourself instead. Thanks for revealing your true colors.”

    http://www.freewoodpost.com/2012/06/07/mitt-romney-i-was-too-important-to-go-to-vietnam/

  65. Michael Graham from the Daily Herald can’t quit while he’s ahead. Scott Brown is pro-choice and from what I understand he wrote a letter to RNC head Reince Priebus asking him to tone down the abortion plank of the GOP platform. So, on that, Graham is right. Warren has no business pulling Brown into this particular fiasco.

    But then like a partisan hack, he makes the Dem’s devils and the GOP’s angels. What a tool and a maroon! 🙂

  66. Even Clair McCaskil hardly condemned him. She worried more about why Republicans would dump on him.

    That’s a distortion James. She roundly condemned him but obviously it is in her best interest for him to stay in the race so she has said it is up to the voters for him to be there or not.

  67. You are embarrassing yourself.

    Remove head from ass. The embarrassment is totally on you this time.

    I’ll help you get out of it though …. just repeat after me:

    “Romney should have more carefully vetted Ryan and then chosen a VP running mate who is not a pro-life absolutist.”

  68. More “and you know it”s than usual today. What’s that called – empathy?

    I said Akins should resign pronto before I fully grasped the implications of a McCaskill win. I stick by that.

    Perhaps Obama’s extreme views on abortion are equally repellant to the independent women voter as Ryan’s are.

    http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Barack_Obama_Abortion.htm
    http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Paul_Ryan_Abortion.htm

    I would imagine that most people fall somewhere in the middle of these two and struggle with the issue and identify with others’ struggle. I’ve tweaked my views over the years, with the trend being a gradual move away from the grisly realities of abortion as it is practiced. It’s safe, but it isn’t rare.

    I’m not so sure that this is as big a game changer as all that. It jeopardizes much, but guarantees nothing. The trends for all the swing states and many that were previously not in play have been, with rare exception, all moving in Romney’s favor. We’ll see. As for the shock value of the revelations – at face value, yes. When you start extrapolating the position/views out to include the Republican platform, likely less so, IMO.

    I read up on all the major players’ stances on abortion. Biden came out stinking less than usual. One in particular caught my eye –

    “Abortion causes inconsistent moral basis for value of life. In the 1960s when abortion was still illegal, I witnessed, as an OB/GYN resident, the abortion of a fetus that weighed approximately 2 pounds. It was placed in a bucket, crying and struggling to breathe, and the medical personnel pretended not to notice. Soon the crying stopped. This harrowing event forced me to think more seriously about this important issue. That same day in the OB suite, an early delivery occurred and the infant boy was only slightly larger than the one that was just aborted. But in this room everybody did everything conceivable to save this child’s life. My conclusion that day was that we were overstepping the bounds of morality by picking and choosing who should live and who should die. There was no consistent moral basis to the value of life under these circumstances. Some people believe that being pro-choice is being on the side of freedom. I’ve never understood how killing a human being, albeit a small one in a special place, is portrayed as a precious right.”

    Source: Liberty Defined, by Rep. Ron Paul, p. 1 , Apr 19, 2011

  69. But did you not see the graph demonstrating everything we need to be talking about for the next 77 days. No, you read into my post what you wanted to read into my post.

    Tex, you’re full of sh*t. If you believe what you claim to believe then get behind my article … admit that Akin has highlighted a weakness in Ryan’s history … and that they better bury this nugget damn fast and get back on the economy.

    Instead, you use this opportunity to do the old “I’m rubber you’re glue” style of debate. It’s clear that Romney’s advisers are no better than you. PF wants to ditch Obama for the same reasons you do but you’re so obsessed with being right you can’t listen.

    PF is right on this one.

  70. Regarding the “Willing” video, Tex we’ve been down this road before. Technically Cutter said that Romney was lying to the American people about his involvement with Bain. If he wasn’t lying, THEN he’d be a felon and surely he is not a felon. 😉

  71. Democrats said that they will feature Cecile Richards, president of the Planned Parent Action Fund, Nancy Keenan, president of the NARAL Pro-Choice America and Sandra Fluke, the Georgetown University student whose plea for federal birth control funding drew the ire–and a subsequent apology–from Rush Limbaugh.

    What’s more, the Democrats are expanding their list of women ready to assail the GOP on women’s issue, adding Maryland Sen. Barbara Mikulski and actress Eva Longoria to the list that already includes Sen. John Kerry and Massachusetts Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren.

    Like I said Rutherford and Raji. If this is your idea of good womenfolk, you can have them. 😈 Congratulations for your abortion on demand plank introduced by the baby killers. You’ve done so much for your country.

    Butchers. Everyone of them.

    And we’ll see whose smug, little worthless ass is crying in 77 days, punk.

  72. I think Rutherford and Pfesser have done a pretty good job of explaining why Akin is a liability to the Republican Party. Some of you are equating his statement to a sexual scandal, no way, it all about how the Republican Party’s Platform could become law and affect women’s lives. With the exception of a few Republicans, there is a unspoken agreement to keep that bit of policy under the counter, much like condoms were in the past. Perhaps this will further explain how the majority of women feel.
    http://mhpshow.msnbc.com/_news/2012/08/22/13396243-republicans-fail-to-turn-todd-akin-into-daniel-tosh#.UDTzuIOEGuY.facebook

  73. “Bring us the real issues.”

    They are wholly unprepared for a debate on the real issues. By “they” I mean the president, the vice president, and all the party leaders and the talking heads.

  74. Do I need to keep reposting my questions to get you to finish a conversation on your own Rutherford? At least have the decency to say you have no intention of finishing a conversation YOU chose to chime in on.

  75. They are wholly unprepared for a debate on the real issues. By “they” I mean the president, the vice president, and all the party leaders and the talking heads.

    You can include our irritable bowel headed blogger in that mix. He’s neither willing or capable.

    Like the insufferable Sandi and Newt, old Mensa is ill equipped to talk about math.

  76. What is the GOP supposed to do with Akin that it hasn’t done R?

    Oh I fully agree that the GOP has done the best it can with Akin. But you still don’t get it. What is the GOP going to do with Ryan? Akin was just the appetizer. Ryan is the main course.

    If Ryan stops hiding behind Mitt’s apron and says “I was wrong. I now support the rape/incest exception” then this might become a non-issue (other than that it makes Ryan the same flip-flopper that Mitt is …. but we already knew that … Ryan paid for two wars on a credit card.)

  77. I would have said roughly the same thing to Rommey as that veteran did, Poolman. What about the rest of us? We were inconvenienced for two to four years. and many of us died or were disabled. As Clinton, another draft dodger showed, no body cares.

    It doesn’t change my vote. Obama is still toxic. The Democrats are changing the subject because they cannot defend their record. Their plan may work, and if it does, the suckers who voted for Democrats will get what they deserve.

  78. Ryan was such a brilliant choice.

    Anybody here not a leftist shill not noticed Rutherford’s tone changed to the minute that announcement came?

    Buwahahahahahhahahahaha

    Like I’ve said before. Rutherford provides two useful services: an open forum and a perfectly correlated gauge of just how worried the hacks are.

    And the the leftist hacks have all become irritable bowel candidates the last two weeks.

    I shouldn’t even be getting angry. But I got about 100lbs of rock salt to start grinding in some puckered holes soon, and Mensa is first on the list.

  79. I won’t be bitter, newt. I will delight in writing I told you so as our situation continues to deteriorate after the president gets another chance.

  80. Poolman you know I love you but unless you were being humorous you really made an ass of yourself with the Romney deferment thing. The site you linked to is a satirical site. Snopes has debunked the whole thing. If TMOT quoted this as fact, then he sadly is an ass too.

    I enjoy TMOT’s videos but I think he has become too full of himself as the Ron Paul advocate. He often talks pure nonsense.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/romney/vietnam.asp

  81. Rutherford I am in no mood to do the bash my head up against the wall thing but I will say you are getting more partisan and more intellectually bankrupt the closer the calendar gets to November.
    Lets do this much though. Scott Brown has a 5 pt lead over faux chohantas and a favorable rating in the 60’s+. He is tempered by the same polling showing that the folks find the GOP getting too conservative. Brown is running to be the US Senator FROM AND FOR MASSACHUSETTS. This explains his actions,positions and standing.
    Everything else you addressed towards me was idiocy (especially the co-sponsor thing) and showed a half hearted effort on your part to even ponder my statements . No worries you’re a busy guy with short vision and you are by no means here to cater to my curiosities.
    I am just amazed you think Akin=you laughing in November. You are ssssssssoooooooo missing the point.

  82. The CBO says the unemployment rate may rise to over 9% as the economy shrinks next year. The huge deficit and taxagedon will be ugly, and whomever is president will get the blame. This could be a bad thing for Democrats in the long run. Maybe they should hope for a loss.

  83. If Ryan stops hiding behind Mitt’s apron and says “I was wrong. I now support the rape/incest exception” then this might become a non-issue (other than that it makes Ryan the same flip-flopper that Mitt is …. but we already knew that … Ryan paid for two wars on a credit card.)
    Ahhhhhhhhgggggggggg Again you’re stuck on stupid. Did you look at the THOMAS link? What did Ryan stand on? What did 200+ other folks (7 deems & Ron Paul too) stand on?
    You fucking lackey! You are driving me crazy

  84. Muffy I fully get where Ron Paul is coming from. The point of this article is not to say that I’m not VERY torn on the issue of abortion. Anyone who’s followed my comments on it over the past couple of years knows that I wrestle with it. With each passing year I lean more and more pro-life. I still can’t cross that threshold of the government controlling a woman’s body.

    This article isn’t about my feelings. It is about the politics of it all. And the politics spell danger for the GOP IMHO.

  85. Rutherford, you are wreaking of desperation. You are scared and it shows in these pathetic arguments, and more so in your sad, ill thought out responses. This is bar non the worst writing and arguments I have EVER seen you make. You absence prior to this realization, and the kinds of responses since speaks volumes. I humbly request that you step up your game because what I have read in this thread is horrible on nearly every level.

  86. “Romney should have more carefully vetted Ryan and then chosen a VP running mate who is not a pro-life absolutist.”

    Yeah. You would’ve voted for him had he chosen someone that was pro-choice, right? His abortion stance was a big shock to you?

    Fuck R. You really are a useful idiot.

    Get your head out of Obama’s ass.

  87. Rutherford, women are not this pro choice monolith you make them out to be. That being said, if you think guys like Pfessor are going to vote for the Obama disaster and then hold me ransom the second go around, your nuts. If it wasn’t for my voice and others like me, we would still be sucking the brains out of babies 2,000 times a year and calling it partial birth abortion. And guess what, the majority of Americans support the ban, including women. Following your advice to remain mum for the sake of political expediency, late term babies would be getting murdered right now. I ain’t shutting up. Babies in the womb are human beings.

  88. Regarding the election I wanted to continue to share the reasons I’m going with R&R.
    We’re up to #3 and here it is.
    Mitt Romney has been knocked for being what is termed a Panda Basher. Well I am a Panda Basher XL and there are a number of reasons for it.
    Chinese companies & investment funds have been trying to get their hands on US interests for some time now. The most recent acquisition has been the theater chain AMC. They are now going after the Canadian energy firm Nexen with a tender up to 18 bn and have eyes on Chesepeake Energy here in the USA. They have learned from their folly of the Unicol deal as well as the Ingersoll Rand thing. Folks whatever is going on in the world one thing is clear. The bureaucracy of the USA has loosened or lost the grip they had on keeping the Chinese out. Romney imo holds the best chance at reseizing this all important hold.

  89. James,

    You’re wasting your time with someone of Newton’s limited capability.

    She’s the type of twist that Pfesser is apparently concerned about. And that’s the kind of dimwitted misandrist with worthless liberal arts college degree in hand, still convinced Obama is paying for her gas and rent. I’m supposed to pucker up for some Fat Grannies Nag believing they’re going to change their mind if only presented with the facts? Hah. They’re too stupid to recognize facts.

    That’s why I said these imbeciles were unteachable and certainly not worth approaching. This Presidential election is all but set unless something really unbecoming should arise.

    And you can guarantee Asshole Obama is planning some breathtakingly nefarious bullshit, because he can only count on gullibility of a fickle, poorly learned public to win. Obama is now not only a miserable failure, but a well documented Shitcago liar and thug, dragging his mindless boot lickers along with him.

    Mr. Hope & Change. Mr. Post Racial President. President Transparency!!! Mr. Yes We Can!!! 🙄

    Laugh at them. They earned it.

  90. Do I need to keep reposting my questions to get you to finish a conversation on your own Rutherford?

    Noah you’re becoming a nuisance. I have no unfinished conversations with you. Get on board with the current discussion.

  91. What was Ryan’s stance R? And what is the Republican “platform” you keep referring to as somehow “exposed?” This is getting really, really stupid. You are better than this. You need to stop and think. Seriously.

  92. Have you noticed that whenever the hacks go on their war-on-women kick, the media says they’re doing well but the polls move in the other direction?

    Even Nate Silver, NYT lackey extraordinaire, is starting to notice what most of here already knew. Swing states. 😆

    Ryan was a great, great pick.

    Keep singing Jaybirds! Louder!!! LOUDER!!!!!!

  93. “You’re useless in the debate.”

    Talk to me in November. And remember, when the ReBilicans shit the bed, and Obama is president for another four years, it’s rock-ribbed pig-headed people like you that did it. You put him in the first four years and you are hell-bent on putting him in again.

    Well done.

  94. Tex, shhhhhhh. Remember? Don’t jinx it. . . r has a real bead on it this time. . . 😆

    Anyone here remember Rutherford claiming Obama’s reelection was in the bag from his heroic assassination of Bin Laden. You know, the one the Obama campaign keeps reminding us of? 🙄

  95. Rabbit, where’d you get the idea I want you to stay mum? Hell, I am probably about 85% on your side of the whole “life” discussion. You’re only listening to women who believe that for nine months they are a vessel for a developing human being and that short of their own risk of death, they need to fulfill their role. There are other women who see a sharp separation between their body and the baby’s body and they view being pro-life as subjugating their body to that of another.

    It’s as simple as that.

  96. This Presidential election is all but set unless something really unbecoming should arise.

    Oh that’s rich!!! Tex don’t worry, your dumbass friends are working on it.

    Take any dips in the Sea of Galilee lately? Bwahahahahahahaha!!!! 😆

  97. What was Ryan’s stance R? And what is the Republican “platform” you keep referring to as somehow “exposed?”

    Play with the word “exposed” all you like. In the face of controversy and a clear message from voters (look at Mississippi and Colorado) the GOP is keeping a pro-life absolutist plank in its platform. That ain’t smart.

    Ryan was for differentiating between different types of rape. He also was a pro-life absolutist. That was his stance.

  98. Ask someone on the street that doesn’t watch MSNBC about the Sea of Galilee and see what kind of reaction. They won’t know, and won’t care.

    R your desperation is classic. What’ll you do when Obama’s required to talk about the economy? Talk about Romeny’s tax returns?

  99. Current law of the land leans heavily in favor of the extreme left’s stance on abortion, does it not?

    “Talk to me in November.”

    That would indeed be tragic. PF, has your vote changed? I know it’s a bitter pill but has it?

  100. Has Ryan;s or Romeny;ls stance changed or something? Why are you gloating over an existing “platform?” I thought your point was supposed to have merit, not just the delight of MSNBCers with Newt-level political reasoning skills. If your belief that abortion is the issue that drives this election, and in the dems favor, you’re as sorely mistaken as you were in 2010 about Obamacare.

    So if Ryan had a “no abortion no matter what” stance? Gotta wonder R, how’d all of these GOPers that have a “pro-rape” stance get elected in the first place?

    I love when you delight like this. You are so out of touch it is truly a beacon for your conservative brothers and sisters here.

  101. You put him in the first four years and you are hell-bent on putting him in again.

    Well done.

    Oh bullshit. You voted for the schmuck. What do you mean I put Obama in office? 😆 I was the one telling myopic minions like you four years ago what was coming and you didn’t listen then. Now we’re all paying the price. You must be back at those enlightened Alaskan bloggers’ place. You’re back on the military atheistic bit again.

    You feel free to pucker up at Fat Grannies and suck their toes. Maybe you can spank their fat asses while you’re at it. You seem to get off on that shit.

    It won’t matter a wit because you’re not going to be changing any of those dumbass butcher’s minds. Surely you of all people must know that.

    I hate to tell you again how wrong you are, Doc – abortion on demand isn’t a winning issue. And anybody that puts abortion as a sacrament won’t be voting for Romney anyway.

    But I do agree it’s a side issue.

    So once again, let Rutherford defend this and watch the little coward run:

  102. “Ask someone on the street that doesn’t watch MSNBC about the Sea of Galilee and see what kind of reaction. They won’t know, and won’t care.”
    I know and I still don’t care!

  103. Ask someone on the street that doesn’t watch MSNBC news shows about the Sea of Galilee and see what kind of reaction.

    I fixed it for you. You have this nutty obsession with MSNBC and you fail to understand main stream news more closely resembles MSNBC than they do Fox. Then again, I’m pretty sure even Fox covered the skinny dipping episode.

    Tigre let’s be completely honest. All of us on this forum have an interest in politics. The average guy on the street does not. 90% of what we argue about here is meaningless to the guy on the street.

  104. 3 days later and no blog post on what Obama intends on doing the next 4 years. Instead, we get the earth shattering boomstick that Ryan and Ron Paul and the Dead Rabbit and my wife and Tex are pro life. I am floored by this revelation. And I tremble in fear that planned parenthood is going to pick on us. Oooooooh! Tex, please take it back. Take it all back. Those women are going to be so mean to us, man.

  105. If your belief that abortion is the issue that drives this election, and in the dems favor, you’re as sorely mistaken as you were in 2010 about Obamacare.

    So if Ryan had a “no abortion no matter what” stance? Gotta wonder R, how’d all of these GOPers that have a “pro-rape” stance get elected in the first place?

    So wrong all over the place. In a normal race, abortion would not drive the election. The economy should be driving the election. But your team keeps handing the Democrats all the distractions that so frustrate you. The Dem’s didn’t give Mitt off shore accounts to hide his money. The Dem’s didn’t give Paul Ryan a pro-stimulus, pro-spending voting record. And the Dem’s didn’t give Ryan an absolutist position on abortion.

    This is what happens when the party and its extreme voters pick candidates who come with mine fields. Every distraction in this race was invited by your team. And your team has done a piss poor job of killing the distractions in their tracks quickly and getting back onto the economy. That’s partly the fault of a trivial media which should be covering the economy but isn’t. I admit that.

    Nice try with the “pro-rape” comment. These folks are no more pro-rape than pro-choice people are pro-abortion. The point is that pro-life purists (AGAIN whom I support in principle) appear to be heartless to victims of rape. Those who attempt to parse rape into those who were REALLY raped and those who weren’t look even worse.

    But let me repeat, every distraction being tossed up against the Republicans is their own doing. You shouldn’t be so defensive. I’m offering some views that will help old Mitt get elected if he just pays attention. 😉

  106. Tex, after you posted that dumbass chart three times I finally looked at it. You know what line is missing? What would the unemployment rate be according to economists had their been no recovery plan? The chart maps actual against Obama’s predictions. I’d like to see what the actual economic forecast would be for America now without the recovery plan.

    See if you can dig that up for me big shot.

  107. Pfessor, I think you should vote for Obama. I went back and read your numerous calls to action over the looming threat of the Dominionists. Are you sure this threat had been properly neutralized? Do you think maybe a vote for Romney is playing right into the hands of this Prude Illuminati hell bent on stopping your creepy old ass from counting the lusty panting of lasses on air liners? (I actually thought that was ingenious) Seriously, rethink your position.

  108. Noah, you’re beating a dead horse (one I wish would re-animate and kick you in the ass). What I said, which YOU have failed to answer is that capital preservation through low taxes is used as a panacea by its proponents to spur growth, I said it is more complicated than that.

    So Noah, is it not more complicated than that? Or do you believe that you lower taxes and everything else just falls into place?

  109. As hard as you work to avoid answering questions by:
    (A) creating new threads

    Oh please don’t flatter yourself. You really think I write new blog posts to avoid answering questions (YOUR questions) on previous posts? Are you that narcissistic?

  110. Noah be very careful. Tex considers Matt Taibbi to be lower than pond scum and virtually no one here (except me amusingly) finds Rolling Stone a credible source.

    Keep quoting from Rolling Stone and I may end up liking you. Oh the humanity!!!!

  111. So Rutherford. The forced rape part was removed. You think you found some hot button over one removed phrase in a dead bill? A few of these guys were probably afraid that an unintended consequence of the bill could result in a surge of false rape accusations. Or is rape something that can never be discussed with out you emotionally running to the feminist left trying frame any of us that discuss the topic as devients?

  112. Now Rabbit, that was a cheap shot. I told you up front this was a blog post to tide you guys over while I worked on the one you’ll enjoy tearing apart.

    Next time I’ll just let the thread count go to 3000. F*ck your Android browser.

  113. “You have this nutty obsession with MSNBC and you fail to understand main stream news more closely resembles MSNBC than they do Fox. Then again, I’m pretty sure even Fox covered the skinny dipping episode.”

    Only one claims it is the end of Romney by association. I do watch MSNBC — it was presented as though Romney might as well drop out of the race. MSNBC can”t separate wishful thinking from the truth.

    And the nutty “obsession” is that it is your window on the world and forms so much of your viewpoint that it’s impossible to escape in any discussion with you. It causes you to completely misjudge what’s really going on. You treat so much of it as “news” rather than cheer leading it’s ofeten laughable. This is one of those instances. You keep talking about platforms and what the GOP is “hitched to” and what it ‘reveals” — all based on what you think are the perceptions fo the electorate. Yet you have no understanding of the “perceptions” of the electorate. Only what the doofuses (or is that “doofi”) at MSNBC say.

    There’s no more unreliable source for anything than MSNBC other than something Newt links to. I remember 2010. I remember the cheering after Bin Laden’s death (regular folks intuitively taken aback by Obama’s bullshit efforts to take credit for others accomplishments), I remember your totally bizarro and out of sinc reactions to Giffords’ shootings, I remember Zimmerman and what you thought was happening with OWS — all MSNBC driven. every event intended to be politcally exploited.

  114. Tex, after you posted that dumbass chart three times I finally looked at it. You know what line is missing? What would the unemployment rate be according to economists had their been no recovery plan? The chart maps actual against Obama’s predictions. I’d like to see what the actual economic forecast would be for America now without the recovery plan.

    See if you can dig that up for me big shot.

    Now, would that fall under the jobs saved banner or the jobs “touched” banner? 😆 You’re a joke and math moron, Mensa. So exactly what are we to calculate that conjecture with – some of that magic math you provide here on occasion?

    Did you notice that if you use 2008 employment levels, the unemployment is 11.0%?

    Since that one curled your toes and you have no answer Mensa, maybe we should broach another subject that requires no speculation. Obama’s own puckered lips.

    Let’s try today’s announcement by the CBO, Obama’s “non partisan CBO”, that just announced the fourth year in a row of trillion dollar deficits. We’re now sitting at $5.7 trillion dollars of Bammi deficit in 46 months?

    And what did Owebama say about debt in 2008? Lawd only knows what rationale you can come up for this one. Run coward, run!!!!

  115. “90% of what we argue about here is meaningless to the guy on the street.”

    And even the 10% that do don’t give a shit. Only those that are into the theatre. Everything is not a game changer R.

  116. “The Dem’s didn’t give Mitt off shore accounts to hide his money. The Dem’s didn’t give Paul Ryan a pro-stimulus, pro-spending voting record. And the Dem’s didn’t give Ryan an absolutist position on abortion.”

    R, you can be such a dumb ass. If talking about what brand of toothpaste avoids the subject of Obama’s performance, you and the complicit dem media will talk about it. Nothing is “being delivered.” It’s what you choose to talk about and why reference to MSNBC is inescapable.

    Has Guam tipped over yet?

  117. “Hey Rabbit, just for grins, give me your gut feel on how many accusations of rape are bogus.” R

    Honestly, I have no idea. I do know two people who have been wrongfully accused and later vindicated. So it does happen. I also feel a 18 year old having consensual sex with a 17 year old is not rape. You act like its unconscionable to parse the definition of rape and seem to be using the fact that maybe the writers of the bill did as a weapon against…the entire GOP. Of course, it could have been just poorly worded from the start.

  118. Where’s our transparent website Obama promised? Why aren’t we talking about the massive failures in Afghanistan? I thought that was the good war. Is Obama a war criminal with these drone strikes?

    When are we going to close GITMO and quit torturing those poor Islamic lads?

    They told me if I voted for McCain, our country was in hot water. And they were right!

  119. I bet there have been thousands of black dudes falsely blamed of raping white women over the last few decades.

  120. Let’s talk about swimming in the Sea of Galilee nude and avoid GM’s falling from grace….

    And that’s an Obama success according to Jumping Joe Biden. How bad are the failures then?

    Where’s Obama economic plan? What is Obama’s economic plan?

    Remember, you made OWS. 😈

    Quick! Quick! Another Akins article. If that’s too redundant, maybe we can rehash Sarah Palin’s baby, Trig.

  121. Tex, Rutherford conceded that Obama is a war criminal, the difference being Rutherford is cool with war criminals now. But, cough, he hasn’t changed his position because his rubric for war criminals is the same.

  122. Tex, Rutherford conceded that Obama is a war criminal, the difference being Rutherford is cool with war criminals now. But, cough, he hasn’t changed his position because his rubric for war criminals is the same.

    Rutherford is cool with false accusations of rape too, as long as the victim is black and the falsely accused are white.

    Tawana Brawley and Crystal Mangum come to mind.

  123. A friend send this to me today. I don’t know if it is all true, but it sure rang true with me. This country has truly lost its mind.

    ——–Why Mitt Romney is Unlikable !——–

    A lot is being said in the media about Mitt Romney not being “likable” or that he doesn’t “relate well” to people. Frankly, we struggled to understand why. So after much research, we have come up with a Top Ten List to explain this “unlikablility.”

    Top Ten Reasons To Dislike Mitt Romney:

    1. Drop-dead, collar-ad handsome with gracious, statesmanlike aura. Looks like every central casting’s #1 choice for Commander-in-Chief.
    2. Been married to ONE woman his entire life, and has been faithful to her, including through her bouts with breast cancer and MS.
    3. No scandals or skeletons in his closet. (How boring is that?)
    4. Can’t speak in a fake, southern, “black preacher voice” when necessary.
    5. Highly intelligent. Graduated cum laude from both Harvard Law School and Harvard Business School… and by the way, his academic records are NOT sealed.
    6. Doesn’t smoke or drink alcohol, and has never done drugs, not even in the counter-culture age when he went to college. Too square for today’s America?
    7. Represents an America of “yesterday”, where people believed in God, went to Church, didn’t screw around, worked hard, and became a SUCCESS!
    8. Has a family of five great sons….and none of them have police records or are in drug rehab. But of course, they were raised by a stay-at-home mom, and that “choice” deserves America’s scorn.
    9. Oh yes…..he’s a MORMON. We need to be very afraid of that very strange religion that teaches its members to be clean-living, patriotic, fiscally conservative, charitable, self-reliant, and honest.
    10. And one more point…..pundits say because of his wealth, he can’t relate to ordinary Americans. I guess that’s because he made that money HIMSELF…..as opposed to marrying it or inheriting it from Dad. Apparently, he didn’t understand that actually working at a job and earning your own money made you unrelatable to Americans.

    My goodness, it’s a strange world, isn’t it?

    *****************************************************

    Personal Information:

    His full Name is: Willard Mitt Romney. He was Born: March 12, 1947 and is 65 years old.

    His Father: George W. Romney, former Governor of the State of Michigan.

    He was raised in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan.

    He is Married to Ann Romney since 1969; they five children.

    Education: B.A. from Brigham Young University, J.D. and M.B.A. from Harvard University

    Religion: Mormon – The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-Day Saints

    Working Background: After high school, he spent 30 months in France as a Mormon missionary.

    After going to both Harvard Business School and Harvard Law School simultaneously, he passed the Michigan bar exam, but never worked as an attorney.

    In 1984, he co-founded Bain Capital a private equity investment firm, one of the largest such firms in the United States.

    In 1994, he ran for Senator of Massachusetts and lost to Ted Kennedy.

    He was President and CEO of the 2002 Winter Olympic Games.

    In 2002, he was elected Governor of the State of Massachusetts where he eliminated a 1.5 billion deficit.

    Some Interesting Facts about Romney:

    Bain Capital, starting with one small office supply store in Massachusetts, turned it into Staples; now over 2,000 stores employing 90,000 people.

    Bain Capital also worked to perform the same kinds of business miracles again and again, with companies like Domino’s, Sealy, Brookstone, Weather Channel, Burger King, Warner Music Group, Dollarama, Home Depot Supply and many others.

    He was an unpaid volunteer campaign worker for his dad’s gubernatorial campaign 1 year.

    He was an unpaid intern in his dad’s governor’s office for eight years.

    He was an unpaid bishop and state president of his church for ten years.

    He was an unpaid President of the Salt Lake Olympic Committee for three years.

    He took no salary and was the unpaid Governor of Massachusetts for four years.

    He gave his entire inheritance from his father to charity.

    Mitt Romney is one of the wealthiest self-made men in our country but has given more back to its citizens in terms of money, service and time than most men.

    And in 2011 Mitt Romney gave over $4 million to charity, almost 19% of his income…. Just for comparison purposes,Obama gave 1% and Joe Biden gave $300 or .0013%.

    Mitt Romney is Trustworthy:

    He will show us his birth certificate

    He will show us his high school and college transcripts.

    He will show us his social security card.

    He will show us his law degree.

    He will show us his draft notice.

    He will show us his medical records.

    He will show us his income tax records.

    He will show us he has nothing to hide.—-

    Mitt Romney’s background, experience and trustworthiness show him to be a great leader and an excellent citizen for President of the United States.

    You may think that Romney may not be the best representative the Republicans could have selected. At least I know what religion he is, and that he won’t desecrate the flag, bow down to foreign powers, or practice fiscal irresponsibility.

    I know he has the ability to turn this financial debacle that the current regime has gotten us into. We won’t like all the things necessary to recover from this debt, but someone with Romney’s background can do it. But, on the minus side, he never was a “Community Organizer”, never took drugs or smoked pot, never got drunk, did not associate with communists or terrorists, nor did he attend a church whose pastor called for God to damn the US.

  124. Tex opined: “You feel free to pucker up at Fat Grannies and suck their toes.”

    We’re not at Fat Grannies.

    “Maybe you can spank their fat asses while you’re at it. You seem to get off on that shit.”

    It IS a lot fun. I really like how the fat ones jiggle. In Victorian times they were referred to as “merry bottoms” —– and so they are!…LOL.

  125. You forgot to add Romney wasn’t a community activist, Pfesser. That’s the highest calling. Taking slush money and doling money unearned to further empower your position. Like the mafia paying of corrupt politicians.

    I’m not really chewing on you. Just giving you shit.

    I’m saying you’re making a mountain out of a molehill – a tempest in a teapot. You got one generally good guy named Akins whose entire career is based in fiscal conservatism, who said something incredibly stupid. I want him to resign because I think anybody can beat that thief and hypocrite Claire Macaskill. Like all libs, she is as phony and self-absorbed as the day is long.

    The terrible part is it distracts from the issues at hand, could hurt the chances for a Senate takeover which is absolutely necessary to removing the stench of Obama, and it provides ammunition to the man haters and lame toe suckers like Newton – and the Obama failure enablers like Mensa.

    See Newt? That’s the kind of “woman” you’re referring. Forget her. She’s not going to change. She can’t change anymore than the Toolman™ and his Jew hatin’. It’s in the blood with walnut sized brain.

    Let them pull the Bammi vote. But when they lose, cut the flow of teat.

  126. Hey, Mr. Magna Cum (cough cough) has joined up with Dandy Joe. Seems our Harvard Law Review giant can’t spell Ohio. 😆 😆

    What a dope!

    Team Romney calls out Obama for misspelling ‘Ohio’ at campaign stop

    ‘O-I-H-O’

    And they accused Dan Quayle of being dumb? 😈

    Hi Ho! Hi Ho! It’s Obama we all OWE!

  127. BTW Tex, you’re throwing the MENSA label at me like I’m buying into it. I only brought it up to defend myself against Noah’s attack that you’re smarter than I am.

    I know you probably think you are. Personally I doubt it. You are better educated though. That is objectively provable.

  128. I also feel a 18 year old having consensual sex with a 17 year old is not rape.

    I agree.

    Interestingly I got an email today from our old buddy Huck reminding me of something I’d heard reported but neglected to mention in my article nor in this thread. The original verbiage in the HR3 referring to “forcible rape” may have been to differentiate it from statutory rape.

    I guess the lawmakers didn’t want minors to get government paid abortions for consensual sex with adults. Of course that kind of ignores the whole premise behind statutory rape which is that minors are not old enough to exercise informed consent and therefore the sex is not consensual in the first place.

    P.S. Rabbit I realize the 1 year over/under combo is not a good example. But a 30 year old f*cking a 14 year old who “agreed” to it, might be a problem don’t you think?

  129. Tex, in your dumb 7 lies video, lie number 2 is merely a slight misquote, it’s not a lie. Brandeis said sunlight is the best disinfectant. Obama used the word greatest instead of “best”. Oooooo what a whopper of a lie that was.

    This is why you guys have zero credibility. You don’t know when to stop. The guy who put that video together could have made a decent statement about transparency promised but not delivered but he hates Obama so much he puts in that stupid “lie #2”.

    Best thing is, I bet neither the video producer nor you could accurately quote Brandeis off the top of your head if your life depended on it. 😆

    Tex, take your campaign of hate back to Oklahoma! (h/t to Mitt)

  130. I know you probably think you are. Personally I doubt it. You are better educated though. That is objectively provable.

    I never made the claim I was any more or less intelligent than you, Mensa. But I’ve never met anybody personally with such pedigreed resume be so helpless and gullible.

    You know how I know? You rate SAT scores and school standings as indicator of intelligence, achievement and capacity. That alone designates you as bubble wrapped stooge.

    And helps to explain why it is so easy for me to see through what an empty shirt Obama is, while you still see a knight in shining armor. I don’t care if you scored a 1,600 on your SAT. Your enabling of a massive failure makes you dumb as dirt.

    If you didn’t vote, I would laugh at your profound ignorance…

  131. “I bet there have been thousands of black dudes falsely blamed of raping white women over the last few decades.”

    The Scottsboro Boys, to name nine.

  132. Rutherford, ask a direct question and I will give you an answer. Why does this prevent you from answering mine after having been asked directly 4 times now?

  133. “But a 30 year old f*cking a 14 year old who “agreed” to it, might be a problem don’t you think?”R

    Goes without saying.

  134. PF some of your chain letter is just the same old BS swipes at Obama veiled as praise for Romney.

    But most importantly, NONE of the things listed has a damn thing to do with likeability. The man is awkward and stiff as hell. That gets in the way of likeability.

    BTW, Obama ain’t the most likeable guy in the world either.

  135. As hard as you work to avoid answering questions by:
    (A) creating new threads

    Oh please don’t flatter yourself. You really think I write new blog posts to avoid answering questions (YOUR questions) on previous posts? Are you that narcissistic?

    Rutherford, not sure why you are being purposefully stupid. No asshole I don’t think you make a new post every time..that is why there was a list of things you do bitch.

    The list you dishonest jerk was as follows.

    As hard as you work to avoid answering questions by:
    (A) creating new threads
    (B) changing the subject
    (C) insulting
    (D) going off on a tangent about a question no one asked.
    (E) dismissing out of hand
    (F) blaming someone else then not answering the question asked.

    How about you ditch this selective twisting of what people say? Seriously!

  136. You rate SAT scores and school standings as indicator of intelligence, achievement and capacity.

    Actually I don’t … I’m not nearly that shallow. I was just reaching for some objective measure to answer a dumbass comment from Noah that I should have ignored.

    Serves me right for taking his bait. 😡

  137. Noah, I never said that I quoted you in total. The bottom line is that (A) is preposterous. So why did you put it at the top of the list? Why did you put it there at all?

    Dumb, dumb, dumb.

  138. [What I said, which YOU have failed to answer is that capital preservation through low taxes is used as a panacea by its proponents to spur growth, I said it is more complicated than that.]

    Maybe I am being a little slack in my translation of Leftise, but I see before me a statement, not a question.

    What we have here is a weak argument from a weak mind trying desperately to escape being proven wrong by trying to say that I am saying my statement figures in all possibilities and is the one answer that answers all aspects of a problem.

    In the file for, goes without saying, VERY FEW problems have a single answer and have a multifaceted solution. That does not invalidate that what I have stated is a necessary component of that solution. Balls in your court, try again a little less deceptive answer.

  139. Does its placement at number 2 change its meaning? Why do you care to the order in which I placed it, it is as true a statement at 1 as it is at 4, and the meaning does not changes per its placement. Me thinks you are muddying the waters in again an attempt to avoid your obvious and eventual loss in this conversation. Sometimes you just have to admit you are wrong.

  140. I want to take a moment here and highlight your dishonesty Rutherford. Look at the lengths I have had to go through to get a straight answer to a very direct question. Look at the place that YOU took this conversation all the while not responding to said question. I seriously would like you to explain why you go through all this dishonest bull crap.

  141. Hi, all–hope everyone is well. See that Nagic is now Noah–not sure of the reason for the name change but it would make me happy to see Rutherford ignore him. The old thing about getting in the mud with the pig….perhaps if disregarded he would start to behave with some measure of civility?

    The Akin thing is difficult for me, I must confess. I oppose abortion in virtually every situation that I can imagine other than rape, incest, or life of the mother. I believe that Mr. Akin’s beliefs in “no exceptions” is defensible and consistent. Yet, he has been vilified by those in his own party for having publicly made a statement that many of them agree with and support. I may be naive, but I believe that’s wrong. I’d sure rather see someone tell the truth about his beliefs than to not be candid for purposes of electibility. JMO

  142. #170 This is a laugh, “He will show us his income tax records.
    He will show us he has nothing to hide.—-” When?
    I agree with Emily. at least Rep. Akin isn’t a hypocrite. That has to count for something in politics.

  143. “Yet, he has been vilified by those in his own party for having publicly made a statement that many of them agree with and support.”

    That’s not what he did Emily. He said something that is indefensible, so his own party is not defending him.

  144. Snopes has debunked the whole thing.

    I have found Snopes wrong twice in the past. I don’t trust them 100 percent but it appears they are right in this case. TMOT pulled the video now anyway, so someone must have let him know. Damn satire! No wonder the story did not go viral.

  145. I would also suggest that no one has exactly vilified him except those on the left, but you may have heard something that I haven’t. Pulling his funding and asking him to step down isn’t vilifying him. It’s not supporting him.

  146. Emily
    I think its safe to say I think your a c@nt and you care little for me, lets not muddy up the boards with our personal opinions of each other.

  147. “It seems to me, first of all, from what I understand from doctors, that’s really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape, uh the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.

    But let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work or something. You know, I think there should be some punishment but the punishment ought to be on the rapist and not attacking the child.” -Akin

  148. Muffy: That piece of it IS indefensible. But my understanding is that he retracted it and said he was wrong. Am I mistaken?

    Noah: when you stop muddying up the boards with constant insults, I will be happy not to note my objection. I believe that people who can’t make their points without nastiness and discourtesy don’t have much to say, know it, and try to compensate for that by ugliness.

  149. “Senator” Obama marching with the New Black Panthers with their leader Malik Shabazz….no wonder Obama is silent when they threaten to kill whites and bomb nurseries!

  150. Sorry, Muffy: I didn’t see your second comment and it is a very good one. I thought that alot of Republicans attacked him for what he said and called him stupid, even after he retracted and apologized for what was admittedly stupid. Let me check on that and try to get you some names.

  151. Emily, was the first and last time I’ll ask. You chose to take a poke at me, I will no longer hold back. Balls in your court from this point forward. That is my final say on this topic with you.

  152. sorry, Noah. Not a lot that I think you can say. I’m a Republican, pro-life, fiscal conservative. I just don’t like rudeness. Knock yourself out attacking that. And I do think the blog would be improved if Rutherford would ignore you unless/until you learn to act like an adult with manners.

  153. You can cut the sexual tension with a knife right now. Emily and Noah light this place up like red neon. MOTEL, the M malfunctioning, buzzing in and out in the dark rain. Hot.

  154. Rabbit, I think that buzz is between your ears. I also think your left hand was consensual but your right one was forced.

  155. And I think that when men resort to the use of the term Cunt in regard to women, they have a deep fear or hatred of their Mother.

  156. Oh, Rabbit–I have only one thing to say: EEYEEWW.

    Muffy: Ron Johnson (I like him) is one. Will look for others. But you are correct–I may have overstated my point. I agree that withdrawing support is not the same thing as vilifying. Thank you.

  157. And I think that when men resort to the use of the term Cunt in regard to women, they have a deep fear or hatred of their Mother.

    You’re being pretty damn liberal with the term ‘men”, don’t ya think?

  158. Emily – it’s not an issue for me. I just don’t see that he made a statement that “many on his own party agree with and support.” That’s all.

    PS…you might want to ignore Noah. He’s obviously loaded for bear. Just a suggestion.

  159. Muffy: I thought that there were something like 40 Republican congressmen who agreed with his no exception position?

    In response to your p.s., you are wise. I have an admittedly annoying tendency to publicly object to rudeness–in restaurants and places like that.

  160. Emily – that may be true, but again – I don’t know of anyone who agreed with his statement and then turned around and hypocritically vilified him.

    PS…I hear you.

  161. lol. That’s better, Raji. Of course that’s ‘assumed’ male gender. 😉

    I don’t know if all the republicans got their new talking points yet. We’ll have to track them in the coming weeks. I’m certain they’ll be deposited here. Looks like Isaac may have a chance to rain over the convention. I wish we’d quit steering into the abortion dead end or the rape cul-de-sac. I say we move on to pressing issues. Come on, Reid. Let’s get that Fed audit bill to the floor. You know you’ve wanted it for at least 17 years.

  162. We sure have traveled a dark path since my youth. Maybe I was just naive then. It definitely wasn’t as blatant. But we were the good guys. The white hats. We always took the moral high ground. We stood for justice and right. I guess that’s all behind us now. We’ve gone to the dark side, though most of us don’t even perceive it. Hollywood sold it to us and we gladly play the part. No wonder we have so many suicides by active service members.

    The US government has long maintained, reasonably enough, that a defining tactic of terrorism is to launch a follow-up attack aimed at those who go to the scene of the original attack to rescue the wounded and remove the dead. Morally, such methods have also been widely condemned by the west as a hallmark of savagery. Yet, as was demonstrated yet again this weekend in Pakistan, this has become one of the favorite tactics of the very same US government.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/20/us-drones-strikes-target-rescuers-pakistan

  163. You ever noticed how libs like Chaz Maddow are masters of the Orwellian doublespeak? R. Mensa laps it up like a dog, never realizing his high SAT score and Ivy Ed. didn’t include critical thinking. Newton is simply a barking seal, so she hardly counts. But her posts and her links parroting somebody else are full Orwellian.

    For instance…

    Taxes are revenue. Stop counting people who drop out of the labor market as unemployed. Obama “saved” jobs, like R. Mensa insinuated today. Inflation doesn’t include food and energy. If you make $200,000, you’re a millionaire. Unemployment payout is the fastest way to stimulate the economy. Printing more money has no cost associated to it.

    But my favorite Orwellian doublespeak from Leftist – the need for a Progressive Tax System. So I looked up the latest breakdown for a ‘progressive tax system.’

    The most recent IRS data show that the top 1% of taxpayers pay 24% of their adjusted gross income. The next 1-5% pays 16.4%, the next 5-10% pays 11.4%, the next 10-25% pays 8.2%, the next 25-50% pays 5.6%, and the bottom 50% pay 1.85%.

    That’s not a progressive tax system. That’s a criminal tax system. That’s buying a vote and stealing an election with the intent of destroying America as most know it. In reality, Obama hasn’t been the failure because I underestimated his corruption. He’s doing exactly what he intended. Punishing America for her successes; what Obama sees as excesses.

    The entire Dimocratic machine is corrupt, as are its supporters, as is its philosophy.

    Got to dump them gang if we are to make a go of this. I’m open to suggestion, but my long term objective is to get rid of progressives all together, preferably without blood shed. But it might come to that.

  164. That does not invalidate that what I have stated is a necessary component of that solution.

    No, history clearly proves it is not necessary. We have had economic booms at higher rates of taxation than we have right now. So it is not necessary. I will concede, all other factors being equal, it is helpful but it is not necessary.

  165. Why do you care to the order in which I placed it,

    Please stop being anal. You must have been insufferable as a child. I’m shocked you made it to adulthood. Had I been one of your parents I would have had to be put way for killing my kid.

  166. Anybody else getting a kick of the Dim’s new convention strategy to invite all the major mill pushers as an up with women theme? A call to arms from the nags, hags, shrews, and general misandry.

    But inviting Bill Clinton as one of your key speakers?

    Who knew with these abortion loving NOW misandrists that make up the “heart” of R. Mensa’s beloved party, a serial rapist would play maestro? 😆 And they want to call Republicans as extremists?

    A completely whacked party, celebrating death of the innocents with skanks like the parasitical Fluke as I am Woman, Hear Me Roar.

    Reminds me when these deviants turned the Paul Wellstone funeral into a Caligula orgy. Honestly, the progressives have turned the once proud Dimocratic party, into the party of utter depravity. Not a bit of common decency amongst the whole bunch.

    Baal worshipers on the altar, sacrificing their out of wedlock to Molech. Straight out of the gates of Hell.

    Congratulations Newton. Celebrate a million D&Cs….

  167. I know, rabbit. It really pisses me off.

    Get rid of the IRS and the Fed. Both were started a hundred years ago. Both have transferred the wealth out of this nation. And they aren’t done. They want our kids and kids’ kids to keep on paying. For what? Security? Happiness? Forget about it. They brought us two world wars and numerous other wars on ____ (fill in the blank), plus untold skirmishes and conflicts. This is mob rule, folks. Our founders recognized it. We’ve been duped and continue to enable the dupers..

  168. \We have had economic booms at higher rates of taxation than we have right now

    But, but, but…you said “trickle down” didn’t work?

    Hey baby, destroy China, Japan, Canada, Australia, Western Europe with WWIII, and you might have a winning strategy. Obama could line up his ‘shovel ready’ jobs program – without shovels.

    Otherwise, you don’t understand shit from Shinola about economic cause and effect. Once again, Orwellian doublespeak.

  169. Yet, he has been vilified by those in his own party for having publicly made a statement that many of them agree with and support.

    Emily you’ve struck upon the big dilemma of the GOP. They know that a big part of their base will buy the no-exception approach but they also know it won’t sell in a general election. Nor will personhood (see Mississippi and Colorado). So they have to distance themselves from Akin.

    As I said earlier in the thread, if Akin had made this cockeyed statement outside of an election cycle, the GOP would have ignored it completely. This is pure politics.

    And yes …. before everyone goes there … highlighting Akin and tying him (rightfully) to Ryan is also politics.

    P.S, Noah explained in a prior thread why he sometimes uses “Nagic”. I don’t remember the explanation and since I saw him over at the M&H blog as Noah, that is what I’ve always called him. As for ignoring him, it does no good. He’s like a friggin five year old. He’ll just keep posting his “unanswered questions” which can never be answered to his satisfaction. 😐

    P.P.S. I can picture Noah’s poor mother now — “Mommy why is water wet?” — “I don’t like your answer, try again, why is water wet?” — “I don’t like your answer, try again, why is water wet?” The woman must have been a saint to contend with it.

  170. That’s not what he did Emily. He said something that is indefensible, so his own party is not defending him.

    Muffy not so fast. They condemned him for the biological insanity of his argument. They DO agree with him about “legitimate” rape and they DO agree with the end of his statement where he said the rapist should be punished and not the child.

  171. “Congratulations Newton. Celebrate a million D&Cs….” It has been years since I’ve heard the phrase D&C, used hear it several times a year some woman or another in our small town had one. For those of you a bit younger, thats what they called it when married women checked into the hospital for a couple of days while they technically had a illegal procedure. Today we call it abortion, it is legal and it requires no hospitalization.

  172. I have found Snopes wrong twice in the past.

    Be that as it may, the site has the slogan “News that’s Almost Reliable” and apparently also has a disclaimer saying it is a satirical publication (along the lines of the Onion I assume).

    You didn’t need Snopes on this one. You just didn’t do your homework. This is the problem of a conspiracy prone mind … your hunger for alternatives to the main stream story sometimes result in your believing foolishness hook line and sinker.

  173. I think its safe to say I think your a c@nt and you care little for me, lets not muddy up the boards with our personal opinions of each other.

    Are you such a moron Noah that you don’t see the oxyMORON in that statement?

    Emily, the man lacks manners and class. To use his vernacular … f*ck em.

  174. Today we call it abortion, it is legal and it requires no hospitalization.

    There’s at least 8 corpses in Philadelphia who would disagree with your sanitizing description of the termination of a fetus as a sale, legal procedure. And I can find about a zillion others if need be.

    Remember this just last year?

    http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2011/01/19/philly-doctor-facing-8-counts-of-murder/

    What exactly where you aborting Newton? A product of conception? A wart? Blood clot?

    The party and platform of murder and depravity. Wear it well Newton. Fitting….

  175. Why do you care to the order in which I placed it,

    Please stop being anal. You must have been insufferable as a child. I’m shocked you made it to adulthood. Had I been one of your parents I would have had to be put way for killing my kid.

    So let me get this straight…you ask me why it was at number one, and I am the child for asking why? Seriously?

  176. P.S. Newton – the term Dilation and curettage (D&C) didn’t disappear with that cliff note biology class you took. 🙄

    Your cause and effect biology ranks right up there with R. Mensa’s cause and effect of macroeconomics.

  177. He’ll just keep posting his “unanswered questions” which can never be answered to his satisfaction.

    Just so we are clear, when you engage someone, you consider it unreasonable to expect a response? Because I will be happy to follow suit with you, make an unsupportable, outrageous claim, then pretend I don’t see you asking for clarification or justification for the response.

    For the record, as my summery of our conversation showed, I never asked the same question over and over. You chose to respond, which lead to an additional question based on your answer. Where I come from we call that a conversation. If you are offended, or are not interested in conversations, again I will be happy to follow your lead and respond with rhetoric and pretend to not see your follow-up.

  178. You didn’t need Snopes on this one. You just didn’t do your homework. This is the problem of a conspiracy prone mind … your hunger for alternatives to the main stream story sometimes result in your believing foolishness hook line and sinker.

    Yep. I bought it hook, line, and sinker. The lure was too shiny, I guess. I rushed in, saw it and posted it, then rushed back out. I should have done my homework. Since everything main stream has to go through a government filter anymore, I should not expect any surprise enlightening moments. Good thing there wasn’t a test!

    But then you jump to psychoanalysis and I need to ask for your credentials. I’m not buying your main stream diagnosis. My ‘hunger for alternatives to the main stream story’? I think it worse to accept without it all without question. Especially since it has been proved time and again to be fictitious. These aren’t investigative journalists feeding us the real skinny. These are paid performers that can only color inside the lines with approved shades.

    The only way to know truth is to be there or go back and dig up the evidence. It often takes some cross referencing. The biggest problem with that is generally critical time has passed and due to repitition and reinforcement, everyone knows the ‘accepted’ tale. Sometimes FOIA documents come after decades, and often still greatly redacted. There are only a few times I can think of when secrets will serve to benefit the majority. The rest cause considerable harm.

  179. Two University of Colorado professors, one from Boulder and one from Denver, have put together an Electoral College forecast model to predict who will win the 2012 presidential election and the result is bad news for Barack Obama. The model points to a Mitt Romney victory in 2012.

    Ken Bickers from CU-Boulder and Michael Berry from CU-Denver, the two political science professors who devised the prediction model, say that it has correctly forecast every winner of the electoral race since 1980.

    “Based on our forecasting model, it becomes clear that the president is in electoral trouble,” Bickers said in a press statement.

    To predict the race’s outcome, the model uses economic indicators from all 50 states and it shows 320 electoral votes for Romney and 218 for Obama.

  180. My reasonably apolitical wife says she’s not impressed with call to arms by the Dem political machine. She said that it has, at the very least, become terribly unfashionable to flaunt a pro choice position for women in their early 30s or younger. This jives with what I have noticed with teen age girls, as I swear they are becoming more pro life. I predict the day when more men are pro choice then women. The baby boomers are dealing with hot flashes, not pregnancy. They are yesterday’s news in terms of reproduction. I know polls say other wise, but I’m telling you, the Dems are going down the wrong path if they think an in your face pro choice platform is the way to go.

  181. emily opined: “I oppose abortion in virtually every situation that I can imagine other than rape, incest, or life of the mother.”

    I have two questions, and one I will save.

    What is your basis for opposing abortion in other cases? I would appreciate any real, solid specifics: fetal pain, God said not to do it, etc.

  182. good morning, PFesser. I will do my best but am afraid it is not an impressive position. It is religious on my part but also largely emotional. I actually view abortion as tragic under any circumstances, including the three exceptions–but as the lesser of the two tragedies. Kind of a sad Sophie’s Choice.

    I naturally put myself in other people’s shoes. There is very little where someone could say “this is my position” and I wouldn’t try to understand it from their viewpoint. However, when it comes to someone who says “I did not mean to get pregnant but I do not want a baby” I can’t make that leap to say “well then, you can just end what is causing you distress. I do support adoption. I also support certain methods of birth control that other abortion opponents find unacceptable. These are simply my lines and I appreciate that they are full of logical holes.

    It’s a little the way I view certain people who would say “well, I married this guy and it’s not fun. I’m out of here.” I just think that there are choices in life that warrant much more seriousness and commitment.

    You strike me as a very intelligent and intellectual person. I operate more from emotion but at least I am aware that I do that–I think I’m not different from many people whose responses are emotional but they justify them. I am sure you can start citing examples (what about the health of the mother? well, what about the future fertility of the mother?) and I would have to admit that you have a point. It is a very difficult issue and I don’t think it lends itself to easy answers or consistent ones. But my orientation is to oppose it in all but the most serious situations.

    I told you it wouldn’t be very impressive. Best I can do and be honest about it.

  183. Just re-read that. While I am being as straight as I can, I sound like a dolt. Pure emotion. At bottom, maybe it’s the equivalent of Mrs. Tex not wanting to see the rabbits in the garden killed. I’ll never be a debater, will I?

  184. DR noted: “I know polls say other wise, but I’m telling you, the Dems are going down the wrong path if they think an in your face pro choice platform is the way to go.”

    Let me get this straight: Your feelings are right, but statistically valid polls of thousands of people are wrong?

    So let’s see – the blacks hate you, the unions hate you, the city-dwellers hate you, most of the Latinos hate you, and if voting patterns are any indication, most of the women hate you, too.

    Now the Democrats are eviscerating you and your Party with the “war on women” meme, and ReBiblican leaders are doing everything in their power to prove that the Democrats are right. Dismiss it, scoff, laugh – as you like. – but IT IS WORKING, and I believe it is going to cost you the election. Jesus Christ, stop digging.

    If the ReBiblicans don’t get off their paternalistic high horse, stop telling people how to live and return to their roots, they are going the way of the Whigs. They are holding on by their fingernails as it is, depending on old people and evangelicals’ voting patterns, but a large chunk of people (me, for one) are damned well fed up with them. If SOMEBODY in the GOP doesn’t wise up – and soon – they’re gone.

  185. emily –
    I appreciate your honest approach to a difficult question, and I’ll tell you why I asked. Rutherford caused me to change my mind on some of this the other day and pointed out an inconsistency to someone else that I realized also applied to me. To wit:

    If one opposes abortion on absolute grounds, such as ‘a fetus is human and it’s wrong to kill a human’ etc, one has to realize that the product of rape and incest is fundamentally no different than a ‘wanted” pregnancy, and thus deserving of the same rights. A rape-conceived fetus doesn’t know he is tainted (if, indeed he is), any more than a snake knows he’s a snake.

    Therefore, one is no more justified in aborting the products of rape or incest than one is of a “normal” pregnancy, so the logical conclusion is that, if any abortions are to be outlawed, then you have to outlaw them all. Of course, most of the pro-lifers are a little uncomfortable with that position, because it makes them look unreasonable – which, by the way, they are.

    Of course, as the old saying goes, anything is possible when you don’t know what you are talking about. (I do NOT mean you.) I think that if those touting the absolutist positions – on both sides – were forced to take an embryology course, it would all become very clear to them. (Can’t have that, can we? LOL)

  186. Thank you, Pfesser! If you are inclined, I would be interested in you further explaining about the embryology course.

  187. Tex, you are probably right about wasting my time with Newt. Of course, she is also wasting her time.

    I took my own embroylogy course when I was a teenager. Each day I broke open a fertilized egg and watched the chickens evolve into viable creatures. They could survive outside the egg by three days before their hatching due dates, and several lived, though it was a long time before they ate.

    I am pro- choice, but I consider abortion to be murder.. Sometimes, one must weigh lives’ welfare against one another, and decide that one must die so another lives. Like normal murder, abortion should be a last resort.

  188. I agree with Pfessor in 239. This election should be a choice of two economic philosophies competance. Ryan and a Democrat have offered a plan; The Democrats have tried to change the subject. They need to write a counter proposal.

  189. Rutherford,

    Could you point me to the statements vilifying Akins from the people who agree with the specific parts of his statement that you said they do? Thanks.

    Also, I’d really appreciate it if you would summarize your position (without writing about your feelings) for me. Write your own plank on the issue – and be exact about when – if ever – you would draw the line on when abortion should not be legal. Im not asking you to go that deep, just let me understand you.

  190. If the ReBiblicans don’t get off their paternalistic high horse, stop telling people how to live and return to their roots, they are going the way of the Whigs.

    PF most of the time you and I agree, on this particular subject we most often do not.

    I’ve talked loosely about the web of beliefs. Things you have learned in your life cause you to believe in certain truths. These truths overlap and build upon each other, creating the aforementioned web. When you vote for someone, or make choices in your life, you do so based on your beliefs. Each of us have different sources, hundreds of sources, where we have developed these truths into our belief system.

    My question why does the source of these truths matter to you? Regardless of where your beliefs come from, you promote the things you believe in, as do I. If the basis of my beliefs stems from my religious beliefs, does that make mine any less valid than yours? We all want our government to rule from as close to our belief system as we can have. Should I be any less vigorous than you in trying to promote those beliefs just because the source of those beliefs comes from a different place?

  191. So let’s see – the blacks hate you, the unions hate you, the city-dwellers hate you, most of the Latinos hate you, and if voting patterns are any indication, most of the women hate you, too.

    Your wrong about statistically grouping women that way. Romney has a large lead among married women.

    So let’s see who hates the Republican Party.

    Blacks – dysfunctional with 3/4 of children born out of wedlock
    Latinos – (See blacks)
    Unions – Ran airlines and car manufacturers into ground; ruined public schools; losing representation each passing year; corrupt and almost bankrupt.
    Single women (mostly feminists) – Misandrists, generally dysfunctional, many unemployed with liberal arts degree in hand or government employed. Perhaps the most unhappy, bitter colllection of people I’ve ever personally met, except for the militant atheistic type, believe themselves clever.

    You can add another group – hedonists like yourself. So we’ve got the bottom rung of societal dependents and hatemongers to run against. Big deal. You voted for the loser once. I suggest you do it again.

    Because your life view is worse than most I listed above. You don’t belong in the Republican Party, Pfesser. I believe I can safely speak for far and away the largest demographic of Republicans and safely say, you’re not wanted.

    You belong with the Dims. You ought to quit lying to yourself and hitch up the Obama wagon, make a big donation to Planned Parenthood, and move in with the dimwitted Dominionist crowd.

    Seriously. Like I said, you’re far more a liability to the cause than an asset. Persona non grata. 😐

  192. Abortion is the taking of a human life. Same as capital punishment and war. Im as “tolerant” or supportive as I can be about all three. As long as it’s legal and as long as people are asked to go, I see no just cause for criminal prosecution for staying within the boundaries of the law.

    I think the law of this land is too liberal with regard to abortion. I dont swallow the moralizing on the part of those who find my position hypocritical. You are in no place to judge me.

    I believe the one true judgment we all will face to be one of perfect omniscience and fairness.

  193. Emily, never sell yourself short.

    Here’s what you need to know how correct you are about your opinion of even the value of even a zygote. And we will use a completely secular, scientific definition to determine if a zygote can be defined as “living”:

    Life is generally defined as having the following characteristics:

    (1) Homeostasis: Regulation of the internal environment to maintain a constant state
    (2) Organization: Being structurally composed of one or more cells, which are the basic units of life.
    (3) Metabolism: Transformation of energy by converting chemicals and energy into cellular components
    (4) Growth: A growing organism increases in size in all of its parts, rather than simply accumulating matter.
    (5) Response to stimuli (including signal recognition)
    (6) Reproduction

    Using the definition of secular science, you can see that a human cell meets all the above criteria. In fact, if you had attended medical school, a single cell is the definition use to explain LIFE.

    So if a single cell meets that criteria, then a zygote certainly meets that definition, and it follows that an embryo, and fetus yada yada yada.

    Abortionists can twist this anyway they want to justify the killing, but they call it abortion for a reason. By definition, abortion is the termination of life.

    What a militant atheist like Pfesser cannot understand is the very nature of sin. It’s human nature that once something can be justified, the next successive sin becomes a little easier to justify, a little easier to rationalize. Whether it is eating another twinkie, a gateway drug like weed preceding more dangerous drugs, cheating on your spouse…it’s the makeup of who we are.

    So we have gotten to the point where we can justify mass murder under the guise of rights, or choice. And you’ll notice the semantics. What choice does a fetus have again?

    For instance, I doubt my own grandparents today would recognize network TV – nudity on the network channels during “family viewing” hours?

    But you have to ask yourself are men like Pfesser wiser than say Moses or Paul? 😀 No, I didn’t think so either.

    So I leave you with two verses, one O.T. and one N.T. to contemplate when you get into these discussions with hedonists who are intelligent but not wise using pseudo logic and science, that I may remind you it is not you that is in the wrong for basing your opinion on very sound fundamentals.

    And remember, Solomon didn’t ask for intelligence. He asked for wisdom.

    Deuteronomy 30:19
    This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live.

    2nd Peter 1:1-3
    But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them —bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

  194. “Because your life view is worse than most I listed above.”

    Your opinion. I have opinions of my own. Now that I think of it, define “worse.”

    “You don’t belong in the Republican Party, Pfesser.”

    Not your call. My call.

    “I believe I can safely speak for far and away the largest demographic of Republicans and safely say, you’re not wanted.”

    Not your call. Not their call. My call.

    “You belong with the Dims.”

    Your opinion, nothing more. I have my own opinion, upon which I will act, without any advice or INTEREST in advice, from others.

    “You ought to quit lying to yourself and hitch up the Obama wagon, make a big donation to Planned Parenthood, and move in with the dimwitted Dominionist crowd.”

    Not your call. I’ll make my own decisions as to whom I support, and when. Of course, whichever side has more of the lunatic fringe supporting it has a great deal of influence over which side I then support. More loonies, more fundies, more attacks on women from the ReBiblicans will eventually tip the scale once again to the lesser of two evils. Sarah-the-Fundie did it for me the last election, who knows what will happen THIS time?

    (BTW, I am a reliable financial supporter of Planned Parenthood, and have been for many years.)

    “Seriously. Like I said, you’re far more a liability to the cause than an asset. Persona non grata.”

    You are entitled to your opinion. Thanks for sharing that.

  195. Probably the best articulation of my point of view on socialized medicine I have heard to date. If your intolerance can stomach the video, some of his best points are made in the last 45 seconds.

  196. Pfessor, in the last 5 years I’ve worked with about 750 teenagers. So, I guess I’ve conducted my own poll. While my wife as seen changing norms as well.

  197. “My question why does the source of these truths matter to you?”

    Because the reliability and authority of the source matters.

    “Regardless of where your beliefs come from, you promote the things you believe in, as do I.”

    True

    “If the basis of my beliefs stems from my religious beliefs, does that make mine any less valid than yours? ”

    Absolutely it does, if your belief is based on untestable, unverifiable, unscientific superstition. Religious writings and beliefs don’t stand up under the most trivial scrutiny; they are just fantasy and fable – all different, all contradictory – hell, even some SELF-contradictory, but I’m supposed to take that seriously?

  198. Solomon didn’t ask for intelligence. He asked for wisdom.

    Solomon began his reign asking for wisdom. True. It did not end that way. Even Wiki gets it:

    The Hebrew Bible credits Solomon as the builder of the First Temple in Jerusalem, and portrays him as great in wisdom, wealth, and power, but ultimately as a king whose sin, including idolatry and turning away from Yahweh, leads to the kingdom being torn in two during the reign of his son Rehoboam.

    Deuteronomy 30 is a chapter about choice. ‘Life’ refers to the spiritual relationship with God, like the last sentence of the chapter denotes. It does not relate to abortion or murder, rather obedience.

    ‘Life’, as in a living organism, is a much broader term and one that can even be found in a single drop of water. The entire earth experiences this type of life. A major component of this form of life is reproduction. Another common component is death. These are both normal functions of life that occur throughout the entire spectrum. We have called it the cycle of life. Things must die for life entirely to live on.

    One could argue the quality of life or the consciousness of it from every form and perspective. It matters not. Humans have more than merely the physical aspects of life, as much of scripture points toward. We know this, though we cannot accurately measure or quantify it. It just is, and it sets us apart from the rest of creation.

    If one reads and believes scripture, then one can see that physical life is much less important than spiritual life. One is granted all, the other is chosen, sought after, esteemed, and rewarded. The latter also often runs counter to the bulk of society and often, when publicized, results in the physical death of those spiritual persons generally perpetrated by the masses.

    That’s why prophets were often tortured and mostly killed, many of these recorded in the very scriptures we hold dear.

    How this relates to abortion and everything is tied to that relationship that gives true ‘life’. It’s the Jesus connection. “I came so they can have real and eternal life, more and better life than they ever dreamed of.” Some of the conditions of the living in certain cases have been described as worse than death. Prolonged agony is generally not preferred to a quick demise, at least as contemplated within the human psyche.

  199. And I think that when men resort to the use of the term Cunt in regard to women, they have a deep fear or hatred of their Mother.

    As we used to say back in Jr. High School ….

    OH SNAP!!!!

    🙂

  200. ” And we will use a completely secular, scientific definition to determine if a zygote can be defined as “living”:”

    Of COURSE it’s living. That is not the issue. Your thumb is living; so is your philodendron. That doesn’t mean they have the rights of a human. Irrelevant.
    (snip proof of living – so stipulated)

    “Using the definition of secular science, you can see that a human cell meets all the above criteria.”

    Yep, so does a human ear, a human penis, a human, well, cell. So what? Also irrelevant.

    “In fact, if you had attended medical school, a single cell is the definition use to explain LIFE.
    So if a single cell meets that criteria, then a zygote certainly meets that definition, and it follows that an embryo, and fetus yada yada yada.”

    Yep. True but irrelevant. Nobody is disputing that an embryo fulfills all the criteria for “life.” Right church; wrong pew. (MIT calls this “suboptimization” – elegantly solving the wrong problem.)

    “Abortionists can twist this anyway they want to justify the killing, but they call it abortion for a reason. By definition, abortion is the termination of life.”

    So far so good…

    “What a militant atheist like Pfesser cannot understand is the very nature of sin.”

    Actually I like to think I’m an EXPERT in sin.

    “It’s human nature that once something can be justified, the next successive sin becomes a little easier to justify,”

    Ah, the slippery slope argument…

    “So we have gotten to the point where we can justify mass murder under the guise of rights, or choice. And you’ll notice the semantics.”

    Semantics exactly. Here’s where the argument breaks down, isn’t it? What if I am an orthopedic surgeon and I amputate a limb….am I a mass finger-murderer? After all, you said it was alive…

    “For instance, I doubt my own grandparents today would recognize network TV – nudity on the network channels during “family viewing” hours?”

    Irrelevant. (But I am glad to see that we are getting away from our weird religion-induced hangups on sex – a perfectly natural human function)

    “But you have to ask yourself are men like Pfesser wiser than say Moses or Paul?”

    Oh God. He’s going to quote scripture.

    (snip)
    Deuteronomy 30:19
    (snip for brevity)
    2nd Peter 1:1-3
    (snippity snip)

    Nobody said Biblical characters weren’t wise; they were just ignorant. They thought about the same great questions we think about today, but without the scientific knowledge we have now, so it was perfectly normal to turn to superstition to explain the things they could not. But, as knowledge increases, religion of necessity retreats. Get used to it. Tax-free investing has made religion very powerful in America, but the Internet is where religions go to die. Now the forces of reason can go toe-to-toe with religion without having to have large quantities of money.

    It’s a done deal. Just a question of time.

    Thank God.

  201. We sure have traveled a dark path since my youth. Maybe I was just naive then.

    I’d submit the good old days were never as good as we remember them.

    Can anyone tell me why we bombed Nagasaki? I get Hiroshima (sort of) by why the extra slaughter?

  202. Got to dump them gang if we are to make a go of this. I’m open to suggestion, but my long term objective is to get rid of progressives all together, preferably without blood shed. But it might come to that.

    I’m just gonna start calling you Henny Youngman. These fits of melodrama are best taken as silly one-liners.

    It’s time I just started laughing at you. 🙂

  203. Honestly, the progressives far right and religious right have turned the once proud Dimocratic Republican’t party, into the party of utter depravity socially backward ignorance and stupidity.

    I fixed it for you.

  204. I agree with Muffy in 243. Killing another person, born or unborn is a subjective action.even if done with the purest motivations.Mistakes are inevitable.

    Oh snap ! indeed.

  205. We dropped the second A bomb because much of the Japanese high command still was not convinced they should surrender. Even after Nagasaki some military leaders wanted to fight on, but the majority knew by then, it was time to quit.

    The bombs saved the Allies and Japan from a blood bath. The Japanese intended for every person on the islands to fight to the death. Estimates of lives saved are very high.

  206. I think it worse to accept without it all without question.

    Poolman, I agree with this and I truly believe this is the main motivation for your conspiracy prone approach. Unlike many here, I find very little malicious in your desire to get at “the truth”.

    The problem is that there are MANY out there eager to take advantage of you, either because they are deluded or they are evil. As long as you are as critical of the alternative story as you are of the main line, then I salute you. But I fear you don’t hold your alternative providers to the same standards that you hold the main stream sources.

  207. Pfesser, with all due respect, I don’t even find your scientific evidence you present very sound about 90% of the time. Either your information dated, or you get it ass backwards.

    And somehow, I’m putting a lot more faith in the medical school than I am a militant pervert with an attitude. 😀

    And yeah, human nature is the slippery slope. If you can’t figure that out, you’re not nearly as intelligent as I had hoped.

    But like I said. To each their own. But be true to yourself – you got maybe 20 years left to slap the jelly ass. You and that Hustler writer cast that Bammi vote like you did in 2008. You all deserve each other. And it won’t matter one wit.

  208. “well, I married this guy and it’s not fun. I’m out of here”

    This was part of a larger excellent comment by Emily.

    First, I admire your candor about the emotional basis of your abortion argument. There is nothing wrong with that. One of the problems with the abortion debate is that, contrary to PF’s opinion, science fails us. This is a very emotionally fraught subject. The pro-choice crowd can scream from the mountain tops but we are NOT dealing with a wart or a mole a vestigial organ. We are dealing with interference in the miracle of life. I don’t use that word miracle in a religious way. I use it to mean that no matter what text books get thrown at us, the development of humans from egg to baby boggles the mind. It is truly wondrous. Therefore, termination of that process CANNOT be taken lightly or trivialized. It is the tendency toward trivialization by pro-choice folks that so angers the pro-life community and I understand that.

    On the other hand, pro-life folks like to paint their opponents as folks who get abortions like they are blowing their nose. That is not fair either.

    But to address the part of Emily’s comment that I quoted … BRAVO!!! Divorce is just too easy in this country. Folks don’t understand that a marriage takes work. It doesn’t operate on auto-pilot. It does need commitment. When troubles arise, adjustments must be made.

    I’m not suggesting that women should stay with abusive husbands. But I sense a LOT of marriages end over silly sh*t and selfishness.

  209. It is just plain hypocritical for Republicans to expect Rep. Akin to sacrifice himself, just because he verbalized all of their positions. I guess their thoughts on rape and abortion were supposed to be a big secret. Now we know, they tried to redefine the definition on rape and supported a personhood bill, which not only outlawed abortion, but several birth control methods, like the pill and IUDs. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/23/ann-coulter-todd-akin-selfish-swine_n_1824510.html?utm_hp_ref=media

  210. But, as knowledge increases, religion of necessity retreats. Get used to it. Tax-free investing has made religion very powerful in America, but the Internet is where religions go to die.

    Really? Well let me demonstrate just how clueless you really are in your enlightened orgy, which by the way Pfesser, I just read today for you and your swinging partner: a specific strain of gonorrhea just became resistant to the last treatable antibiotic. Be careful where you swing. 😉

    Just read this. Pfesser, you live in about the same bubble Rutherford lives in – only on a higher plane, admitted. You really need to get out more in the world and away from the Larry Flynt crowd.

    Consider:

    Compared to the world’s 2,300,000,000 Christians, there are 1,600,000,000 Muslims, 951,000,000 Hindus, 486,000,000 Buddhists, 458,000,000 Chinese folk-religionists, and 137,000,000 atheists, whose numbers have actually dropped over the past decade, despite the caterwauling of Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, and Co.

    As of mid 2012, there will be an average of 80,000 NEW Christians per day (31,000 Catholic) and 79,000 new Muslims per day, but 300 fewer atheists every 24 hours.

    To paraphrase Twain, your reports of religion’s demise have been greatly exaggerated, Pfesser.

    The reason you’re so militant and vile is, you’re losing the battle, here and most definitely abroad. Big mouths with smaller and smaller numbers.

  211. If the ReBiblicans don’t get off their paternalistic high horse, stop telling people how to live and return to their roots, they are going the way of the Whigs.

    Ahhhh someone else repeating the Rutherford meme. I absolutely love it!

  212. Of course, most of the pro-lifers are a little uncomfortable with that position, because it makes them look unreasonable – which, by the way, they are.

    I disagree PF. It has nothing to do with looking unreasonable. They don’t care if they look unreasonable. It has to do with the shame surrounding anything sexual that the religious right is so vulnerable to. OMG, she got raped … can’t have THAT baby! OMG, she had consensual sex with her cousin …. can’t have THAT baby. And in some cases … OMG she had sex with a black man … can’t have THAT baby!

    Many Republicans support the exceptions because the exceptions fall in their areas of shame and humiliation. Simple as that. (And yes … this is no doubt true of many Dem’s too.)

  213. Actually Rutherford, of all the people on this board, I find you and Pfesser closest candidates for brotherhood and equally as wrong in your conclusions.

    Only Pfesser is smart enough to recognize the Obama can’t pillage the villages, then max the credit card much longer.

    Math ain’t your thing.

    And Pfesser is a little colder about feelings – which by the way, I would remind you those skanks at Fat Grannies were not only equating abortion to blowing their nose, but actually glorifying the blowing when they took you to task for not being vile enough.

    How quickly you forget how cretinous the people you vote with.

  214. Could you point me to the statements vilifying Akins from the people who agree with the specific parts of his statement that you said they do? Thanks.

    Also, I’d really appreciate it if you would summarize your position (without writing about your feelings) for me. Write your own plank on the issue – and be exact about when – if ever – you would draw the line on when abortion should not be legal. Im not asking you to go that deep, just let me understand you.

    On the first question, Muffy, I defer to Emily’s answer. Vilified is too strong a word.

    On the second question, I don’t believe there should be an abortion plank in either party’s platform. For the time being, I have a problem with the government being involved in this choice. It’s a private matter between a woman, her doctor and her personal advisers (clergy, family, shrink, etc.)

  215. It’s a private matter between a woman, her doctor and her personal advisers (clergy, family, shrink, etc.), but not the voiceless baby being aborted.

    FIFY – returning the favor.

  216. PF
    Can I assume then you feel your beliefs are superior to those of religious folks, and that your rights should superseded ours? Or do we have equal say and right to see our beliefs considered/legislated as you?

  217. So let’s see who hates the Republican Party.

    Tex you are truly something else. Demographics are changing dude and all the “losers” you listed are becoming the majority. Do you want the GOP to survive? Then it damn well better make the tent larger.

    Your elitism will get you royally screwed.

  218. Rutherford, I’m not asking about your struggle. I want to know when in your mind/opinion abortion should be NOT an option. It sounds like you’re saying “never.” I just just don’t want to misunderstand you. It is never OK for the government to legislate a cutoff point for cutting out an unborn child/fetus/human being?

  219. It’s human nature that once something can be justified, the next successive sin becomes a little easier to justify

    You sound like my late mother and believe it or not Tex, in this case I mean that as a supreme compliment.

  220. Newt, do you support a ban on partial birth abortion? Do you support a woman’s right to choose to abort her child all the way up until viability? Do you support a woman’s right to bill the American public for a doctor, bound by oath to first do no harm, to cut an unborn human being from her womb and leave it to flail struggle for breath in a bucket of blood?

    Do you believe it is EVER wrong to abort a fetus?

  221. Noah regarding your “Competes” video:

    1) Although higher than other countries, our taxes are as low as they’ve ever been.

    2) Lack of regulation led to the financial crisis from which we are recovering.

    3) I agree with the comment about debt.

    So 1 out of three is better than nothing. 😉

  222. Our 12 week old spit up blood, today. Lots of it. Of course, I was beyond freaked out. Turns out, it is nothing to worry about. My wife has another painful breast infection. He was spitting up her blood. My wife does not have freedom of her own body. She endures horrible pain every time she feeds. She gets no sleep. Why doesn’t she have a right to murder the baby? Because it’s out of the womb? What’s the difference? The baby has the same DNA, the same body parts now has it did when she was 12 weeks pregnant. I suppose you can make the argument that the brain is wired differently. But, the brain was in a state of flux for a long time. Rutherford, the baby is taking a much greater toll on my wife’s body now then it did when she was 9 months pregnant. Should she have the right to kill the baby?

  223. Oh Mensa. Cut the big tent baloney. It’s so patently pandering, it reeks.

    There are no bigger bigots on God’s green earth then you and your wretched ilk of leftist degenerates. You’ll sell the entire country down the tubes to win an election. And you’re so angry. That’s how I know you’ve sold your own souls. You have little to live for and everything to lose, so you have to lie – even to yourselves. There is no joy in your life.

    How many times do I have to tell you that I ain’t pandering to a bunch of blue blooded racists like the NAACP, and the white liberal charlatan pimps like Harry Reid, Hillary Rotten, or Joe Biden? If you can’t see how phony these punks are, that is your problem.

    It’s the absolute biggest mistake the Republican party makes. Apparently 95% of blacks like to live in chains, this time of their own making. We’ve done what we can to help. You can lead the horse to water so to speak…

    Drain the pond.

    ————————-

    Demographics changing? Absolutely. But this isn’t your immigrant of 1901 – this is apartheid looking for free bennies, of which progressives happily provide because when the damage ensues, because they won’t be here. It’s the only way to garner their immorality for a generation or two they seek. Give Satan his due.

    Why do you think I’m so sure nature will be forced to remove your ilk from our midst, or vice versa? 🙂

    I make no apologies for having a superior, enlightened culture than that dependency, class warfare and deviancy you leftists plant. Everything progressives touch is a disaster. Look around pal and weigh your party in the scales.

    MENE, MENE, TEKEL, PERES

  224. Rutherford, if the losers gain total control of the country Tex will win the argument not in the forum of ideas, but in the field. The nation will collapse like the Soviet Union. This debate will resolve itself one way or the other. Scarcity. The crux of all economic realities. Shit ain’t free. Your dependent class you rely on so much to win elections will one day be destroyed by a Katrina that envelopes the entire Western world. Helpless, you guys will devour one another like rats. We are trying to stop this from happening.

  225. It has nothing to do with looking unreasonable. They don’t care if they look unreasonable. It has to do with the shame surrounding anything sexual that the religious right is so vulnerable to. OMG, she got raped … can’t have THAT baby! OMG, she had consensual sex with her cousin …. can’t have THAT baby. And in some cases … OMG she had sex with a black man … can’t have THAT baby!

    Many Republicans support the exceptions because the exceptions fall in their areas of shame and humiliation. Simple as that. (And yes … this is no doubt true of many Dem’s too.)”

    You don’t know what you’re talking about, Rutherford. On the one hand your Fat Grannies call Republican women people without compassion because their tolerance for abortion is smaller than yours. On the other hand you and Newt wash our faces in our alleged (and bullshit, by the way) hypocrisy when you are in no position to judge what we are willing to allow God to judge and when our tolerance is given over to a willingness to intervene on behalf of the human life growing in a womb.

    Great remarks @#283, rabbit. There’s your war on women, Rutherford, PF, Newt. We’ll take him any day of the week.

  226. 1) Although higher than other countries, our taxes are as low as they’ve ever been.

    Highest corporate tax rate in the world, period.

    I will assume all the previous to that post in the affirmative, and change tactics accordingly to yours.

  227. I thank you Noah. Knowing how I loathe Bill Whittle, you pointed me to the last 45 seconds and I obliged you.

    I have no argument with tort reform as part of a multi-pronged attack on spiraling health care costs.

  228. As of mid 2012, there will be an average of 80,000 NEW Christians per day (31,000 Catholic) and 79,000 new Muslims per day, but 300 fewer atheists every 24 hours.

    Tex I find this stat confusing. Are we talking births or converts or both? If we’re talking births, then there is the built in assumption of inheriting practice from the parent. Otherwise, the stat makes no sense … i.e. how could this stat have ever been calculated?

  229. You know, Rabbit. You raise a very interesting question. Now I’m not sure the limits of Obama’s inhumanity, but your wife is case in point of the inconsistency of Obama’s argument to simply leave a neonate to die. What’s the magic of 28 days or 31 days? Why not three months? Or a year? Why not toddlers?

    These leftists like to always throw up the cases of rape and incest as red herring to justify all abortions, which according to Guttmacher – the propaganda arm of the mills – only constitute about 1-2% of all such claims. If memory serves, the life or health of the mother is another 5%, and abortions of choice convenience about 93%.

    So while Rutherford may be right that it may be hypocritical for those who call themselves pro-life to make exception for rape or incest, I have no problem with those that hold such views because Rutherford’s claim of hypocrisy doesn’t take into account responsibility and intent – the lack of personal choice.

    I could certainly live more comfortably believing that somehow I had helped prevent the termination of over 1,000,000 births vs. 20,000 births of rape or incest.

  230. I find you and Pfesser closest candidates for brotherhood and equally as wrong in your conclusions.

    I’m sure PF would disagree with that. I figured I was more related to Newt or Thor, no? Are you talking strictly religion?

    I would remind you those skanks at Fat Grannies were not only equating abortion to blowing their nose

    Did you actually read my comment? I said pro-choice people all too often trivialize abortion. Now it’s your turn to admit that you and yours all too often demonize women in very difficult situations making very difficult decisions …. using phrases such as “abortion on demand” like these women are going for a burger at the MickeyD’s drive thru lane. 👿

  231. It is never OK for the government to legislate a cutoff point for cutting out an unborn child/fetus/human being?

    I know you’re not asking about my struggle Muffy BUT I struggle to give you a straight answer. There are abortion cases I find abominable where I would want the law to intervene but that conflicts with my belief that the matter is personal.

    I’m telling you, my position on this is clear as mud.

  232. FWIW I heard Ann Coulter’s comments when she made them. I agree with her 100%.

    On abortion or Akin in particular? I’d like to be able to Google it. I always enjoy Ann even though she drives me crazy.

  233. Rutherford, the baby is taking a much greater toll on my wife’s body now then it did when she was 9 months pregnant. Should she have the right to kill the baby?

    Rabbit, I don’t mean to trivialize your wife’s situation but one word — formula.

  234. thank you Noah. Knowing how I loathe Bill Whittle, you pointed me to the last 45 seconds and I obliged you.

    without the preceding 4 minutes, the information is out of context and you missed most of its meaning, but that would be the norm for you, so carry on.

  235. Never assume that pro-choice advocates are any less pro-life than you are, Emily. But we all know of specific incidences when a woman or her doctor might decide on an abortion, our differences are who makes the decision. A woman and her doctor or a committee? Quick with the answer, it might just be a matter of life or death for the mother in the case of partial birth. Two dead bodies or one?

  236. Why do you think I’m so sure nature will be forced to remove your ilk from our midst, or vice versa? 🙂

    Because you believe in a judgmental God, that’s why. I’m sure your heart beat a bit faster when ole Jerry said that God smote us with 9/11 cos of the gays, progressives, etc. 😉

    MENE, MENE, TEKEL, PERES

    WTF???

    I can only counter with

    Meanie meanie, you’re a weanie. 🙂

  237. I know Rutherford (@#296). That’s why I’m pretty loathe to “condemn” people brave enough TO clarify their beliefs and commit to them. It takes guts to follow a struggle to the nth degree and take a firm, clear, make-no-mistake stand. You and Newt call it hypocrisy for reasons I find somewhat arrogant and unenlightened. Yet you can’t do it (state your stance clearly and unequivocally) yourself. Or won’t. And if you tried, perhaps you’d find that you’d have painted yourself into the same corner (or the opposite one) that you accuse me of (hypocrisy).

    In other words, your “all or nothing” argument cuts both ways.

    That’s why I posted that statement made by Ron Paul. Who are we to say when it’s “OK” and when it’s not?

    Someone has to set the guidelines. Like I said, the legal guidelines are quite liberal at this time, and I see no evidence of any desire to compromise – only to criticize and condemn those who believe differently as haters of women.

  238. The statistics clearly delineate Rutherford that while the population of the world grows larger, the absolute number of atheists continues to grow smaller. So as a percentage of what people believe, the atheistic view grows smaller twofold: (1) Absolute numbers; (2) Demographic percentile.

    Richard Dawkins is losing this battle.

    I became cognizant of this fact while reading the Tulsa World.

    There is a group of humanists (militant atheists by another name) in this town whose opinions dominate the local paper. And I begin to notice that the same names kept appearing after a time, all heavy leftist by the way and reading almost like a Rebliblican comment by Pfesser, completely hostile to anything or anyone who would claim any affiliation with a deity. Most of their criticism and infantile insult is directed at Christianity. Ironically, they seem to cater to the local mosque, generally as retaliation toward Christians.

    So while at first I was under the assumption the humanist society’s ranks rather large, after a little afternoon research one day when I disappeared from home turf here, I finally “infiltrated” the humanist’s personal blog where I came across many of the same names I read in the T-World. I left my name showing interest, and in the conversation over a few days, found out the society consists of less than 50 lost souls. 😈

    In other words, the Tulsa Humanist Society makes a lot of white noise in town, apparently carry an undue and or disproportionate amount of influence in politics and opinion, but are not terribly proficient at recruitment.

    And that got me thinking, are we all being deluded into believing the world is becoming more atheistic because what we see in Western Europe and America? The internet certainly would lead you to believe that atheism is becoming more prevalent.

    And what I found was a lot more people are adopting religion as a choice – and a part of that is coming from the conversation of atheism to something ‘spiritual.’ And a majority of that is happening in Asia, Africa, and South America.

    It is possible the atheistic ranks are simply growing smaller through attrition and not conversion. It’s a pretty well documented fact that “religious” people have more children across the globe.

    I don’t have the information to tell you the why. Just what people are identifying themselves across the world.

  239. I could certainly live more comfortably believing that somehow I had helped prevent the termination of over 1,000,000 births vs. 20,000 births of rape or incest.

    Yup, sounds like Paul Ryan who characterized Romney’s rape/incest exception as a “step in the right direction”. 😐

  240. MENE, MENE, TEKEL, PERES

    WTF???

    Ahhh…the mind of the irreligious and uninformed never ceases to amaze. Criticizing that of which they have no knowledge or understanding.

    I will only say, Rutherford Lawson, the “writing is on the wall and your time imminent.”

    You really should learn the story of it sometime. An incredibly interesting and and terrifying read.

    Perhaps you could learn the lesson easier than Belshazzar did.

  241. Never assume that pro-choice advocates are any less pro-life than you are, Emily.

    Oh, I think it is very safe and assured Emily can be assumed as being far more concerned about innocent life. That is, unless 50,000,000 legalized abortions are to be yawned at or somehow considered righteous and moral.

    ————

    See Newt’s post, Rutherford? That’s a text book example of the red herring argument for justification I spoke of earlier, and why I think you’re trying to play both sides of the fence. Once again, Ms. Muffy is right.

    Newt, in her own unique way, is such a blessing to the board. 😛

  242. “Because you believe in a judgmental God, that’s why.”

    You have no understanding of His judgement, but I can assure you I fear (as in respect) His judgment for reasons you can’t possibly fathom. And it has nothing or next to nothing to do with sex. It may very well have far less than you can imagine to do with any sin that you understand as sin.

  243. But I fear you don’t hold your alternative providers to the same standards that you hold the main stream sources.

    Everyone is held to the same standard. The main stream has much more funding, a broader audience, and has been elevated to a false level of integrity due to our perception that main stream is truer.

    I do not agree 100 percent with even my favorite sources 100 percent of the time. All have bias and that has to be taken into account.

  244. “Muffy, I’ll confess my rhetoric was a bit extreme but do you deny that religious hangups about sex have an impact on the abortion debate?”

    I don’t deny that. But many, many hangups about sex are psychological, not spiritual or religious. Don’t tell me there are more fucked up people on either side.

  245. “On abortion or Akin in particular? I’d like to be able to Google it. I always enjoy Ann even though she drives me crazy.”

    Akins in particular.

  246. I only call it hypocrisy when other Republicans, including Paul Ryan, who cosponsored with Akin legislation redefining rape and personhood, call upon Akin to get out of the race. Akin’s statement described the Republicans’ legislation and their platform, other than that, he did nothing. Let the people of Missouri and the nation decide if they concur with him and Rep. Paul Ryan.

  247. You have proven in the past that you don’t understand the difference the Word makes as it refers to ‘life’ the physical vs. the spiritual, so I am not at all surprised by your critique.

    Proven to who? You the Jew hater? 🙄

    You don’t even understand the importance of Genesis 12:2-3. Why in the world would I lend some credibility to Adolph’s half-brother critiquing the Word of God from that part forward?

    I do have to admit a certain satisfaction that others here are now recognizing like I have since you first arrived, that you’re nothing more than an inbred genetic defect, Klan robed and garbled in both speech and thought.

  248. Who are we to say when it’s “OK” and when it’s not?

    Then I think we probably have to fall back on what I believe Pfesser has said in the past. I think he suggested the beating heart as a good cutoff to start talking about prohibition.

    Personhood would make every woman who used an IUD a murderer.

  249. Toolman™,

    Old pal. Trust me. You don’t rate as any martyr as you carry your imagined cross. Islam would take one look at you and laugh, realizing garden variety fruit cup and useful idiot, shelved for later date.

    Allahu Akbar…

  250. Beating heart starts at 22 days after conception, Rutherford. Chances very good, most women may not even recognize their pregnant at that point, having missed a period by no more than 7-10 days. That’s an awfully small window of which you speak.

    I’ve heard some women say they knew they were pregnant before they even missed a period, but I don’t believe that is the norm. They certainly seem to sell a bunch of those home pregnancy tests.

    That’s just another imagined line marker that would be practically impossible to determine, even more difficult to enforce.

  251. “Akin’s statement described the Republicans’ legislation and their platform, other than that, he did nothing.”

    Restate it Newt. I don’t think you have a clue what you’re talking about. Go on. . .

  252. Incidentally R, the Newt is proving why my use of the word “revelation” and “pro-rape” are appropriate.

    Tell us about Akin’s statement and the republican platform that you’ve unearthed.

  253. Tell you what somebody else has unearthed.

    Seems one of Obama’s insufferable Senators campaigning for Obama and Biden made this “joking” statement about rape in 1995:

    “And, ‘I give the pills to Lesley Stahl. Then, when Lesley’s passed out, I take her to the closet and rape her.’ Or, ‘That’s why you never see Lesley until February.’ Or, ‘When she passes out, I put her in various positions and take pictures of her.’” ~ Al Fraken

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/senator-famous-joking-about-rape-campaigns-obama-biden_650609.html

    I suppose this will delay the inevitable Obama coronation a day or two?

    Newt? Newt? Does this horrific statement by Al Franken count? 😈

  254. “Then I think we probably have to fall back on what I believe Pfesser has said in the past. I think he suggested the beating heart as a good cutoff to start talking about prohibition.

    Personhood would make every woman who used an IUD a murderer.”

    You want to go with that then? Fine. “It’s a step in the right direction,” as far as I’m concerned. Next drill down on the “prohibition” steps and set them along a timeline. Then factor in the devilish details of parental notification, federal funding, etc. Not an easy endeavor. It’s called tweaking in my world.

    As I said, the law of the land is more favorable to the liberal extreme than the conservative.

    Incidentally approximately the same percentage of Dems do not support what the president does with regard to partial birth abortion as the Repubs that do not support Romney’s position. I’d have to look that up to be sure but I think that’s right.

  255. Uh oh. This doesn’t read well for the man of Hope & Change either. I suppose this one could delay the inevitable coronation of Barack Obama another day or two. Obama won the election according the Rutherford the day Osama was killed. 😈

    Poll: Angry with economy, youth vote to jump 50%

    “These numbers should put elected leaders on notice. What you see is a very pointed story of the impact the failed policies coming out of the White House over the course of the last three years are having on the daily lives and the long-term plans of young Americans. Frankly, it is not a pretty picture,” said Paul T. Conway, president of Generation Opportunity. “It is no surprise that they plan to make their voices heard this November.”

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/poll-angry-with-economy-youth-vote-to-jump-50/article/2505725#.UDaEsqNEs4K

  256. Don’t tell me there are more fucked up people on either side.

    I don’t know. My gut tells me atheists have fewer sexual hangups than religious folk. I could be wrong. My gut tells me Christians have fewer sexual hangups than Muslims.

  257. After much thought, I wholeheartedly support Rutherford, Newton, and the Obama administration’s intense focus on some obscure Missouri congressman’s inane comments.

    Hell, Romney & Ryan are out focusing on fringe issues like $5.5 trillion in additional debt, one in six in poverty, 50,000,000 on food stamps, Medicare forecast to go bankrupt in eight years, 16% real unemployment, and Iran obtain the bomb.

    Sounds like the typically solid Obama strategery to me.

    Poolman could be Dimocratic campaign chair at this rate before November.

  258. My gut tells me atheists have fewer sexual hangups than religious folk.

    I hear that Larry Flynt and Kim Jong Il were real dynamos in the bedroom and in personal relationships too.

    And Lord only knows what a magic tongue Bill Maher has.

    Brown Sugar….you know you have it so good.

  259. Proven to who? You the Jew hater?

    For as smart as you are, you’re stubbornly ignorant regarding certain things. This is one. I don’t hate Jews. Never have.

    But let’s use your own logic to prove you do. Okay? It will be fun.

    Fact: Most Jews are democrats.
    Fact: Tex hates democrats.
    Conclusion: Therefore, Tex hates most Jews.

    There. Put that in your mug and suck it. 😛

  260. @#327 – sexual hangups are emotional disorders. Neurosis is no respecter of persons (or religion).

    If you’re referring to chastity or monogamy as a hangup then I’d just say that I disagree with your premise.

  261. Fact: Most Jews are democrats.
    Fact: Tex hates is married to a democrats Conservative Democrat.
    Conclusion: Therefore, Tex hates most Jews. loves Conservative Democrats.

  262. Sorry Rutherford. I need to correct myself – a fetoscope is done by placing the scope on the mother’s abdomen according to Daughter #1 – who just delivered a baby. Pretty cool when your baby is delivering babies.

    Mea culpa.

  263. Wow Tex, you and The Weekly Standard are equally clueless. You’re comparing what a comedy writer says during a bull session to what a politician expresses as his own beliefs?

    Again, I laugh at you.

  264. Oops. No, daughter says I still don’t have it right (on the phone with her). She said, that’s okay. It’s been awhile since you were in school. 😆

    As a general rule, 24-31 days is the earliest time that a doctor will be able to detect a fetal heart beat by trans-vaginal ultrasound according to “Dr. Taylor.”

    Pretty weird that I’m talking to my daughter about this subject.

    Now I’ve given away all my secrets.

  265. Rutherford,

    Since when did rape become a stand up comedy routine? That’s your Dimocratic Senator you love at work. Crassness is like second nature to your party.

    I pity you that you are asked to stand and deliver to defend the indefensible. Can you keep it up for another 75 days? I sense a tremble in your force.

  266. Tex, if you’re suggesting that sexual “hangups” can help keep us moral and relatively happy. I can sign onto that. Being too sexually liberal has gotten many a man or woman in trouble.

    It’s when those hangups lead to ignorance that I become concerned.

  267. Fact: Tex hates is married to a democrats Conservative Democrat.
    Therefore, Tex hates most Jews. loves Conservative Democrats.

    This IS fun. So, your wife must have voted for Obama in 08, right? Right??? 😛

  268. Wow Tex, you and The Weekly Standard are equally clueless. You’re comparing what a comedy writer says during a bull session to what a politician expresses as his own beliefs?

    Again, I laugh at you.” – R

    How do you know Al doesn’t believe that?

    Akin essentially said that he doesn’t believe under any condition should abortion be the first choice, or even a choice. I can understand his position- what did the baby do to deserve to be killed?

    It’s not an easy answer. I think it is a lot to ask any woman to give birth to a child brought about by rape. But at least Akin is being true to his belief, which is pro life. I don’t fully agree with him, and especially how he said it, but I can objectively look for the intent of what he said instead of vilifying him for political gain.

    Just for the record, I think he should have dropped off the ticket.

  269. Gorilla,

    Obviously if you got a ‘D’ behind your name, you not only are given a pass about what you say about rape. You get a pass if you fantasize about committing rape.

    If Rutherford had no double standards, he would have no standards at all.

  270. This IS fun. So, your wife must have voted for Obama in 08, right? Right??? 😛

    Right.

    And I mean right in that a man of your limited capability and intellect would come to that conclusion.

    Did you remember to buy a Powerball ticket?

    Quarterly taxes are coming due soon and I didn’t want you to forget! 😮

  271. Tex opined: “Really? Well let me demonstrate just how clueless you really are in your enlightened orgy, which by the way Pfesser, I just read today for you and your swinging partner:”

    We don’t swing. Never have.

    God, I spend all my time setting you straight. You tell a fib; I correct it. You tell another fib, Rutherford corrects it. Another, another, another. When are you going to start getting your facts straight? It’s one straw man after another.

    “The reason you’re so militant ”

    Militant? Me? Ho ho ho ho ho ho ho……pot, meet kettle, kettle, pot.

    DR noted: “My wife does not have freedom of her own body. She endures horrible pain every time she feeds. She gets no sleep. Why doesn’t she have a right to murder the baby?”

    Because it’s a baby, not a fetus. C’mon – you’re a lawyer. You know rights can be assigned at particular dates of maturity.

    “With a fetoscope, an OB may use to listen to a baby’s heartbeat at 22-23 days – trans vaginally.”

    I don’t think a fetoscope goes up the twat. Ultrasound probe, maybe? Come here to Virginia, were ultrasound-probe rape is now the law of the land, thanks to folks just like you.

    Heartbeats – how do you want to detect them? Electrical activity? Very early. But there’s no heart, just a few pulsating cells. No valves, no chamber. How about pumping action? Now you’re getting somewhere, but of course there is only a primitive tube; no blood pumped. How about 4 chambers? Now that surely must work, except the valves don’t work yet………hmmm…..The black and white approach doesn’t seem to work, does it? Perhaps we could try…see below.

    R – I didn’t say about heartbeats, I don’t think. If you are going to allow abortions, you have to just pick some time – arbitrarily, and realize that IT IS ARBITRARY, since development is a continuous process – starting as a cell, ending up as a baby. The absolutists will never be satisfied; they are all drama queens and of course, it’s about the drama.

  272. Newt @ 336 Re: Huffpo article
    I bet the Mormon church didn’t refuse the money 😉

    “While Romney’s money is linked to businesses that run counter to the Mormon church’s values, he has also donated substantial cash to the church itself. In 2010 and 2011, Romney and his wife Ann donated $4 million, about 10 percent of their more than $40 million in income.”

  273. Did you remember to buy a Powerball ticket?

    Right. What numbers are you playing? I met a guy the other day said he plays the same numbers and has for over ten years. I asked him if he knew how much he’d spend on tickets versus how much he had won. He figured he’d spent near 60K and got maybe 6K back from winnings over that time. He’s in it for the long haul. 😐

    It’s a damn rite of religion.

    Back on track… So, the wife will be voting for O & B this time around, eh?

    I’ll answer for you: Yes, albeit reluctantly. Aha. Next…

    Did the daughters inherit mom’s conservative democratic habits?

  274. Whose navigating this journey, anyway? I’ve done this detour before. They always divert us down that abortion dead end. There’s not even enough room to turn around and the parking really sucks. It’s always bumper-to-bumper.

    Damn. Throw it in reverse…

    FOCUS, FOCUS, FOCUS!!!

    First the Fed…

  275. God, I spend all my time setting you straight. You tell a fib; I correct it. You tell another fib, Rutherford corrects it. Another, another, another. When are you going to start getting your facts straight? It’s one straw man after another.

    Now, exactly which fibs have you’ve corrected for me? Refresh my memory again? 😀 I told you at least a hundred times you don’t understand what the logical fallacy straw man means, and I was hoping you would review before the next accusation.

    I just provided a set of facts upstairs with hard numbers substantiating you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about including your statement so there was no question as to what I was answering, and straw men don’t include hard facts answering the questions. You need to bone up.

    Was it the swinger insinuation that was a straw man? Just speculation based on your predilection for perversion, spanking and nasty women. Aren’t you a great admirer of Larry Flynt and Thomas Jefferson? They apparently never missed a chance to dip the wick in a little strange. Since there’s no consequences in swinging, why should you cheat yourself out of the pleasure?

    If I were you, I’d start living up while you still got the chance.

    A shame you can’t take your talents and put them towards something beneficial besides pleasuring yourself.

    Your entire basic philosophy is based upon the most egregious of hubris which has invariably failed where it’s been tried. Atheism fails – everywhere.

    That’s no straw man. That’s just a fact. If I’m wrong, direct me to the establishment at hand and I’ll profusely apologize.

  276. I wish there was an emoticon that held a sad face in hands. I’ve had more coherent conversations with Mickey.

    So, the wife will be voting for O & B this time around, eh?

    I’ll answer for you: Yes, albeit reluctantly. Aha. Next…

    AND

    Now, Tex … surely you don’t believe there is anything such as a “conservative Democrat”? Are you really saying your wife’s a RINO?

    Are both of you screwed so tightly that you would believe Tex Taylor is married to an Obama Supporter? That was parody, right?

    How many times do I have to tell you two stooges, the most conservative people in America are called Reagan Democrats. The only thing I ever heard my wife call Obama was “pompous ass.”

    Does that sound like she’s an Obama voter and RINO? 😈

  277. Vice President Joe Biden has been going all over the country advocating the rich paying their “fair share” … but is the VP practicing what he’s preaching? According to their 2011 tax returns, Biden’s charitable donations added up to 1.46 percent of his income compared to President Obama’s 21.8 percent and Mitt Romney’s 19.1 percent.

    The Bidens earned $379,000 and gave $5,500 to charity. Radio talk show host Chris Plante joked, “It gives new meaning to the 99 percent versus the one percent. Joe Biden keeps the 99 percent, he gives away the one percent.”

    Plante noted that in 2004, before being elected, the Obamas donated less than one percent. He argues that this goes to prove “the overarching reality that conservatives give more to charity than do liberals because liberals think that the government will take care of all these things.”

    The Obama’s are just phony as hell. And before they went public, just cheap as hell too. 😆

  278. If so Poolman, I’m afraid to tell you that mom didn’t rub off on the kids.

    You ought to hear my daughter in med school talk about Obamacare.

    Brutal. 😈

    However, my wife and I went to the voting booth together in 2008. And I didn’t see an Obama line drawn. Look to me she’d used to a sharpie to make sure too. 😉

  279. You guys and gals want to see something really cool? Almost mind boggling. Hopefully, you haven’t seen this. If you find our universe so amazing and you like physics, you will find this most fascinating:

  280. I am being political, because we don’t have an objective environment to discuss or debate these issues. Romney and Ryan both spoke against Akin and the GOP establishment writ large has condemned what he said, but what do we see? We see the Obama campaign dishonestly attempt to tie Romney and Ryan to Akin, even though they both condemned his comment before a single Dem said a word. How is that being honest R? Its not.

    You and the left long ago abdicated the arena of ideas. You don’t discuss ideas or policies, you sell emotions. A couple examples:

    Case #1) Medicare is going broke, Obama’s past/future plan is:

    Rob Medicare of funds and use it to fund the program that has my name on it while I claim that Romney and Ryan are going to feed old people dog food and throw grandma off a cliff. The GOP wants to destroy Medicare as we know it.

    Well, of course they do, because as we know it, Medicare is going BROKE. Obama doesn’t present a plan to save, he peddles scare-tactics towards a demographic that is on a fixed income and feels incredibly vulnerable – something he exploits. He lied then (2008) about using Medicare funds to fund healthcare reform or he’s lying now about using Medicare funds to fund Obamacare.

    Case #2) The National debt is skyrocketing, Obama’s past/future plan is:

    Invoke Reagan-like rhetoric and promise to cut the deficit in half by the end of my term while spending trillions of dollars we don’t have on paying off political support I’ve received from corporate/union cronies.

    Obama has contributed nearly $6 trillion dollars by himself to our national debt. That’s over 1/3 from one man.

    He has failed. You can’t deny that he has failed – by his own claims and metrics – yet you refuse to even debate what is plain, cold hearted fact.

    So really, who’s political?

  281. Hey Newton, Rush Limbaugh wasn’t insulting Obama. He was insulting you.

    I’ve said the exact same thing here that Rush Limbaugh said.

    America can survive one bad President. America can’t survive 70MM people so dumb, so irreverent, so dependent, and so utterly corrupt that they would vote once again for a catastrophic failure.

    Personally, chances better than even it is about over with for America for at least two generations. Even if Romney were to win overwhelmingly, we still have millions and millions of dimwits like you dragging America into the abyss.

    If I get my way, you’re not going to have to worry about folks like me. Because imbeciles like you aren’t going to have a key to the door.

  282. I just listened to the audio of Obama “wanting to kill babies”. Is that really all you’ve got? Did that video present the entire story? I’ve never looked into this matter, just heard the accusations. If that audio represents the entire case against Obama, then Gorilla is at the head of a bunch of folks who have lost their f*cking minds.

    It is clear to anyone who speaks English that Obama is asking whether or not this is unnecessary or redundant legislation. He clearly asks/wonders aloud why we would assume that a doctor would NOT save a viable baby. And if the doctor, following the already standard practices of medical ethics, saves viable babies, why do we need the legislation? It makes perfect sense to me.

    Please …. in all sincerity, what am I missing here?

  283. Tex you’re incorrectly “pooling” me with Poolman. My inquiry had nothing to do with his. I don’t believe your wife voted for Obama … but then even a RINO would not vote for Obama. McCain was a RINO remember? He ran against Obama.

    I was asking whether you really believe in the concept of a conservative Democrat. Can you point to a single Democrat that you have voted for or would vote for (beyond local Okie politics). If your beloved is truly a Dem in any way shape or form then she can only be a RINO at best.

  284. LOL … Newt, according to Rush, the country can survive four more years of Obama, it just can’t survive four more years of us! 🙂

    I think Rush gets his talking points from Tex.

  285. Alfie, you apparently don’t know Pfesser well. The man voted for Obama because of Sarah Palin being a religious nut – or something to that regard. I kid you not.

    Then when it became apparent Obama had thrown the country into the well in two years, Pfesser understanding the basics of finance abouts shits himself at Obama’s abject stupidity and comes back like Obama is the worst thing ever to happen to America. But the minute the conversation turns to anything of religion or social conservatism/morality, Pfesser pivots back to the ‘Rebiblican/Dominionist’ mode looking for a fight. The Wild Turkey has kicked in, I suppose with another toddy on the counter in wait.

    If you take any stance that isn’t up the Pfesser alley concerning abortion, worship, public displays of faith, Pfesser becomes as much a raging “Christian” hater as Toolman™ a Jew hater.

    I think Pfesser is bipolar or an alcoholic, or something. 🙂 A true educated mass of contradictions.

    See, Pfesser is absolutely sure that practicing Christians who don’t keep their “god damn Jesus Christ religion out of my face” are the biggest threat to America – hence the Rebliblican reference – another word for religious right or Jerry Falwell or a host of others he’s heard on the radio. Throw in this absolutely loony bin of ‘Alaskan bloggers’ Pfesser frequents with, chock full of PDS and code words from Genesis like Dominion, even more far out than any Toolman™ paranoia, and old Pfesser becomes a raging bull of red faced fanaticism.

    ———-

    And this time when Pfesser starts his lame shit about straw men, I’ve got four witnesses that will verify exactly what I said is true. So you can hold your water, Pfesser, and save yourself the trouble of being ganged up upon.

  286. “LOL … Newt, according to Rush, the country can survive four more years of Obama, it just can’t survive four more years of us!”
    That is because he knows, we’ll gloat! Sounds like Rush has thrown in the towel for this election.

  287. Can you point to a single Democrat that you have voted for or would vote for (beyond local Okie politics). If your beloved is truly a Dem in any way shape or form then she can only be a RINO at best.

    Boy Rutherford. For a supposed dyed-in-the-wool political junkie, you sure don’t know much outside the Northeast corridor, do you?

    Did you miss 1980? 1984? Did you miss what happened to the south? Texas? Oklahoma? You’ve never heard of Reagan Democrats? Those aren’t RINOS, doofus. They are social conservatives. Twenty years ago, Oklahoma was predominately Democratic. People like Graychin are about as popular as the clap in these parts now.

    That Democratic Party you keep throwing in my face doesn’t exist anymore. I have been trying to tell you that. It’s been gone for 30 years. Clinton is about as close to an old Southern Dimocrat, but he wouldn’t win Arkansas now with his social issue stances. Pretty much persona non grata in the state. Things have changed.

    Your party, even if it in the majority – is basically bloc minorities, unions, feminists, Hollywood freaks, the disenfranchised, and abortion activists. Now that doesn’t hold for everyone obviously.

    I say your long term party outlook is bleak even if you do win. That group I just listed is a long-term losing cause, basically because that’s the bottom rung – either the dependents or the degenerates. It’s third world, led by a few academia types and better read political junkies like yourself wishing to retain power.

    ———-

    My wife simply never bothered to change her political registration, mainly because she’s pretty apolitical and never bothers to vote in a primary. My kids laugh at how “political” I am. It’s a household joke to hear dad rant. That’s why it’s so hard to picture you and your Mrs. sitting around watching MSNBC. My wife laughs at those talking heads – her description, not mine. Our wives sound very different. My wife is just a traditional mom, and a damn tolerant wife. She’s pretty simple in a good way.

    Would I vote for any Dimocrat not local? No. The only one that might come close I would consider I can think of offhand, might be Joe Manchin.

  288. I happened to hear Rush Limbaugh yesterday on my way to get my haircut. If you don’t believe this, listen to his radio show from yesterday at about the 2:30 mark of a 3:00 hour show.

    You want to see what kind of alternate reality Newton lives in?

    Sounds like Rush has thrown in the towel for this election.

    Limbaugh said, “If the election were held today (yesterday), and politics is fluid and things happen, I would call it a landslide for Romney.”

    Newton, you’re like a soft punching bag.

  289. “Pfessor you dirty ass decrepit pez dispenser of viagra. You called me a lawyer! Low blow, sir. Low blow.”

    I apologise from the depths of my soul. I thought that was what you wuz.

  290. “The only one that might come close I would consider I can think of offhand, might be Joe Manchin.”

    I met him in passing; he hangared his plane in the same place I had my autopilot and GPS installed. Seems to be a fine fellow. Really gave a good account of himself at the Upper Big Branch mine disaster.

    I thought sure he was going to punch out one of the “press” who kept after him to lay blame while there were still miners unaccounted for. He was tired and not a happy camper. He looked at that lamestream press guy like he was a pile of dog shit. I thought, Uh oh, it’s on!

    But he kept his cool.

  291. Limbaugh said, “If the election were held today (yesterday), and politics is fluid and things happen, I would call it a landslide for Romney.”
    And today, Rush said something completely different. Face it Tex, Rush is preparing himself for the inevitable. And besides that, it is better for Rush if Obama does win. He needs someone to rail against. That is what you and others turn on to hear. For years conservative politicians promised their electorate they would overthrown Roe V Wade, finally a group had enough. The Tea Party elected their own slate of candidates during a off year election. They obstructed the country, while promoting their own social agenda, finally the electorate woke up and said, these folks are nuts. The Republican Party has become a regional Party, it doesn’t look ahead to investing in our children, cleaning up the environment, expanding the middle class, allowing our elders to retire with dignity….

  292. “Alfie, you apparently don’t know Pfesser well. The man voted for Obama because of Sarah Palin being a religious nut – or something to that regard. I kid you not.”

    That was one reason; the other being that she was so stupid that she couldn’t find her own ass in a dark room. I think you could see how her notion that the world would end in her lifetime makes one somewhat reluctant to give her the nuclear codes that could make that happen.

    “Then when it became apparent Obama had thrown the country into the well in two years, Pfesser understanding the basics of finance abouts shits himself at Obama’s abject stupidity and comes back like Obama is the worst thing ever to happen to America.”

    True. Of course, that still does not change the fact that one makes choices based on facts at hand, not those from the future he cannot see. Having said that, faced with the same choice again I would make the same decision. Obama we can recover from, Klondike Kardashian, I think not.

    “But the minute the conversation turns to anything of religion or social conservatism/morality, Pfesser pivots back to the ‘Rebiblican/Dominionist’ mode looking for a fight.”

    Wrong. I’m interested in finding the truth, I am agnostic about what the truth is, therefore I am obligated to fight against superstition and any other form of tyranny over the mind of man. (HT to TJ)

    “The Wild Turkey has kicked in, I suppose with another toddy on the counter in wait.”

    I’m a B&B man myself. Haven’t had anything yet tonight. Thanks for the reminder, though. Excuse me a moment…

    “If you take any stance that isn’t up the Pfesser alley concerning abortion, worship, public displays of faith, Pfesser becomes as much a raging “Christian” hater as Toolman™ a Jew hater.”

    Not at all. What rage? Moi? Why, I’ve never been calmer. But you, OTOH….well, well, well…

    It’s pretty clear where the ‘rage’ is: You are perfectly happy raging about the depravity of the unsaved; it’s only fair to shove such nonsense up your ass. I just wish it were harder to do; the sport is gone out of it. Yawn…

    “I think Pfesser is bipolar or an alcoholic, or something. A true educated mass of contradictions.”

    I take that as a compliment. When one actually uses his head to think about things instead of quoting scripture, one realizes that both sides make good points, and to some extent, both are full of shit. Honesty demands that both be recognized. Try it; it’s like a lot of things; it only hurts the first time.

    On the other hand, blindly toeing every inch of the ReBiblican, woman-hating, bible-thumping, rock-ribbed pro-lifer zealot party line is a sign of someone who doesn’t think much, period.

    By the way, please show me those contradictions. I don’t see any.

    “See, Pfesser is absolutely sure that practicing Christians who don’t keep their “god damn Jesus Christ religion out of my face” are the biggest threat to America”

    You may have a point there. I don’t believe I swore at Jesus, though. I actually kind of like your Christ. It’s your Christians I have a problem with; they are so unlike your Christ. (HT to Mohandas) Have any cites on that swearing at JC stuff? Thought not.

    I think I should start a fib counter on you, Tex. I could arrange it like a clock, with the minute hand advancing once for each fib. Maybe we could use it for a fan.

    “– hence the Rebliblican reference – another word for religious right or Jerry Falwell or a host of others”

    Yep. So true.

    “Throw in this absolutely loony bin of ‘Alaskan bloggers’ Pfesser frequents with, chock full of PDS and code words from Genesis like Dominion, even more far out than any Toolman™ paranoia, and old Pfesser becomes a raging bull of red faced fanaticism.”

    Nonsense. I’m perfectly calm and, in fact, more than a little amused. More straw man.

    ———-
    “And this time when Pfesser starts his lame shit about straw men, I’ve got four witnesses that will verify exactly what I said is true. So you can hold your water, Pfesser, and save yourself the trouble of being ganged up upon.”

    I tremble with excitement at the thought!

  293. Let us come to the point. Mr. Obama is reaching out to his very own special constituency. It is composed of those who believe that the Republicans would put up as their candidate for the presidency a person who in his business life would engage in fraud, tax evasion and even murder. Mr. Obama is casting his net for the moron vote.

    Beautiful…

  294. I think I should start a fib counter on you, Tex. I could arrange it like a clock, with the minute hand advancing once for each fib. Maybe we could use it for a fan.

    😆 You speed readers would probably catch quite a draft. Hell, we might be able to harness the damn thing for good.

    Tex’s Green Energy :mrgreen:

  295. Pfesser, contrary to the false bravado, most of us know a blowhard when we read it.

    Look, you’re a garden variety Christian bigot with an M.D.. and a completely twisted outlook marriage and sex. Jesus age Christ – one of your favorites. I get it.

    But no matter how bad Sarah Palin, on her worst day she’s no more stupid than Joe Biden. So, it again boils down to your garden variety bigotry about faith. At most, that’s all that separates Palin from Biden – and the fact she actually had a track record of success before becoming a known entity.

    So you can ramble all you want about your like of Jesus, but it’s the absolute height of hypocrisy and untruthfulness. Don’t throw Ghandi out as subject matter expert with that stupid cliche’ of “I rather like your Jesus” thinking I’m going to be offended. Ghandi drank his own urine and might have read the Sermon on the Mount; not that I doubt that doesn’t go on in the crowd you run and maybe that is appealing to you. But you watch too many movies for your historical reference.

    Christ said He was God. You mock that. Christ said He came to die for you sins. You called that the biggest hoax in history. Christ is to be judged by Christ, not Christians. You fail that. You called Paul deluded, then had no answer when I pointed out your own scriptural failure. 😆

    It’s the game we play. I asked you for these successes of atheism and you slink away. Come on man – I can’t play the game when you keep running home with the ball to take a shot after I make a basket, and work up some more courage to go another round.

    See, in your ignorance, you try to set up this false dichotomy. It’s the exact same game these dimwitted dolts from the Left play about tenets of Judeo-Christianity. You marginalize Christ by the failures of fallible people like me. The problem is, it’s not proving the point you want it to make and you’re not winning the war, because a lot more of the world finds my message a lot more appealing. Your lot on life is birth, sex, death, nothing. That’s pretty fleeting.

    I know you’re unhappy. It’s a shock to the system when you were a big shot, and six weeks out of the job, nobody remembers you. You’re not important anymore, and the perv novels and the traveling with the wife ain’t cutting it for the ego.

    You’re searching around and haven’t found the answers you seek. To its back to the booze. I get it. Been there, done that, minus the booze.

    But get off the religious bashing for 75 days and lets win an election. If you love anything, it’s got to be your money and your toys. It consumes you. You won’t have any if Bammi wins again.

  296. On the other hand, blindly toeing every inch of the ReBiblican, woman-hating, bible-thumping, rock-ribbed pro-lifer zealot party line is a sign of someone who doesn’t think much, period.

    Because you can’t make a readable response, I missed this beauty.

    Should we count up the marriages and the Ma & Pa step children and tally up the successes about the woman hating? 😀 I can’t remember actually ever telling my ex-wife that I was willing to tie her mother to the electric chair either. Not that I didn’t chuckle over that one.

    Believe it or not, my highest wish for my daughters wasn’t the porn set either, Pfesser.

  297. Rutherford,

    As usual, you have followed your MSNBC masters off the cliff of intellectual dishonesty. Really, your a bigot.

    1. You mock the “hypocrisy” of any pro life stance that makes an exception for a rape. In fact, you take it to an even more unfair level by labeling these people as subconsciously twisted by some sort of sexual guilt.

    2. What if the pro life person takes the other fork in the road? That the baby in the womb has a right to life no matter the circumstance of the conception? In that case, the person is a radical right wing nut and a danger to women.

    Damned if you do. Damned if you don’t.

    Now, never mind that the dead bill only had to do with the tax payer funding of abortion. Never mind that there was one phrase that was taken out of the bill. And never mind that some dude running for office made a comment that the entire GOP has gagged over.

    You still decide to peddle hate.

    Ironically, you find yourself personally in the same boat as Obama. Thanks to some bombast on your part, taking up a blog challenge to defend Obama’s plan, you needed this smokescreen. So, i bet you feel pretty cheeky. You create a catch 22 and watch us fish bite one another.

    i’ll continue taking the bait. Let me tell you why I and I suspect other people, including congressmen who actually are brave enough to tackle such a challenging and charged conundrum as rape and abortion wrestle with it so much. Right and wrong has nothing to do with easy. The absolute right thing to do, if my wife was impregnated by rape, is love the baby as my own son. The absolute right thing to do would be to forgive the serial killer who kills my family. You openly mock Christianity for the same reasons that i quietly doubt it. Yet, i think you would be hard pressed to find many people who, under the previously mentioned scenarios, could rise to the occasion and do the right thing without the Holy Spirit.

    So, I remain torn. Not because I’m confused over what is good. i realize most of us are too flawed execute this goodness.

    The most sickening aspect to your little chump fest you got going is that after you start your partisan fires, you have the audacity to feign that, you too, battle with notions of right and wrong when it comes to abortion. You say this after you create a charged environment where any and all pro life candidates are a direct threat to women, no matter the stance they take on rape.

    Hey, this may all end up politically effective. But, dude, how much of your own intellectual honesty are you willing to flush down the toilette for the sake of getting your guy elected? Rachel has made a fool out of you again.

  298. “Low indeed” -Tigre

    i was secretly flattered. I can’t believe the guy could come to that conclusion in light of the incoherent drivel I post here.

  299. I decided after tonight, I’m done with what my wife refers to as the Talking Heads on TV – especially O’Reilly. Never again.

    Their new game on O’Reilly, which I predict will destroy their ratings, it to bring in a gaggle of Baghdad Bob types from the Left, and let them ramble with Newton quality talking points – like Obama created more jobs than Reagan. No, I am not kidding – that is what this imbecile said.

    And I recognize that there’s too many Poolmans in the world, they actually might believe this shit if they hear it once too often. Never underestimate the stupidity of the American public.

    I used to think Laura Ingraham was bright. Not anymore. She gets all flustered at the abject stupidity and the conversation ends on the leftist soundbite. 😡

    I can’t take the garbage anymore.

  300. I’m on my second margarita and a real lightweight at drinking, but I still have the present of mind to realize Pfesser has things in hand. Cheers all, even you Tex, bless your heart!

  301. wow. that was actually real journalism by anderson cooper and cnn. I shall watch 20 minutes on CNN as a thank you.

  302. Great video link Gorilla. This unfortunately is Rutherford, Newt, Thor and the like. As this video shows there is no line they won’t cross. They do not care if it is the truth or not. If it can be manipulated for their own ends, they will do it, period. These are immoral people with nefarious intentions for our country. I rank these people in the same grouping as the terrorists who have beheaded our citizens and killed our troops. They are cowards, and deserve a cowards end. I only wish I could partake in delivering that justice.

  303. Whats the difference? One is an overt militant effort, the other is a covert effort to destroy us from within. Both have the same end game.

  304. The difference is that a fellow serviceman gets his fucking head cut off and his kids never grow up knowing their dad. Do you know that the screams turn to a whistle half way through?

  305. After 70 years of hiding her secret, the entire parish learns that the poor old lady was Greek Orthodox…….

    😉

    m.nypost.com/p/news/international/jesus_what_happened_to_you_hxaywqTnwcAskuWs0UEiJO?utm_medium=rss&utm_content=International

  306. Gold and Silver market seems to think that Bernanke is going to debase the dollar soon. What an awesome recovery. Silver is up about 3 and a half bucks.

  307. Headlines this evening Brother Rabbit…hope Newt is on to her third margarita and Tool™man is stone cold stupid sober – looks like his closet liberalism has reached its apogee:

    FOXNEWS POLL: Romney Pulls Into Lead…
    Republicans eye return to gold standard…
    Romney Reiterates He Would Replace Bernanke…
    Analysis: Incomes Fall More Under Obama…
    Big Loss for Those Near Retirement…
    USA $20 trillion in debt by 2016…

  308. The difference is that a fellow serviceman gets his fucking head cut off and his kids never grow up knowing their dad. Do you know that the screams turn to a whistle half way through?

    If you mean a beheading, yes. I saw the video of the 26 year old getting his head head sawed off.

    And enemy of the state is an enemy of the state. What is the distinction if they do it through acts of violence, or through Leftist mismanagement of our country. If our way of life ends, it ends. We will suffer the same be it from an enemy inside our outside our boarders.

  309. Noah, if I happen to see Mullah Omar going down the escalator at 12 Oaks Mall, I’m going to tackle that mother fucker and beat his ass until the C.I.A picks him up. I’m not going to do that to Debbie Schultz or even the Spokane Dandy.

    A prisoner of war doesn’t deserve to get his head chopped off. Ultimately, if our country is ruined from within, it’s self inflicted. I guess if you want to throw your lot in with a democracy, you have to be prepared to fail as one. I have no social contract with Mullah Omar.

    Now you could make the case that Debbie Shultz types are perverting democracy with her lies to such an extent she is as dangerous as Mullah Omar. If that’s the case, become a revolutionary and put all those rounds to use. As for me, I will continue to reserve a unique status for stink beards that Debbie Shultz does not come close to occupying.

  310. “I rank these people in the same grouping as the terrorists who have beheaded our citizens….”

    Rutherford, some nights the bar needs to close early to throw out the trash.

  311. PF I’m still curious. See for a while I thought I had you pegged and in fact you did answer a query once regards you being a realist/relativist.That helped a lot. I also seem to recall you pretty much professing you were what could logically be termed as an Eisenhower Republican.
    So again I have to ask. In #170 you shared the email thing in what appeared to be the spirit of a pro-Romney vibe. 24 hours latter (somewhere in the 200’s) the GOP is a pile of shit destined for the dustbin of history.
    If I’m getting to personal let me know,but I’m sincere in my inquiry. This isn’t the prep work for a gotcha thing I’m trying to find the grounds for a conversation.

  312. I’m sorry, Alfie. Since I quit work, I have been going full-speed on my business and a bunch of home projects I had been putting off, so I only get a few occasional smash-and-grab opportunities at Rutherford’s.

    Firstly, you will probably never “peg” me, because I don’t peg. I make individual decisions on individual topics; some fall on the liberal side, some conservative, the vast majority libertarian, if you must have labels.

    Not to sound trite or pompous, but I am interested in one thing and one thing only: what is the truth? I serve no other god, except my family. Religions represent the ultimate chains upon the human mind; I have no use for them. Political parties are irrelevant; philosophically I have loyalty only to what makes sense to me; I am agnostic as to who originated the idea: Dem, Repub, atheist, Baptist, queer – makes no difference.

    Having said that, I find most Dems are pretty clueless, in my opinion, about what makes this country – and especially the economy – go. I am thoroughly fed up with the Republicans, who I believe have completely gone off the rails and destroyed what was, in fact, a Grand Old Party – by selling their souls to the Devil for a few pieces of silver (well, actually a few fundie votes).

    I was a firm Republican for many years – back when that party was very different – I think “Goldwater” Republican fits better than “Eisenhower.” After being turned on to the libertarian philosophy by my nephews in about 1993, however, my philosophy fits that the best, if you must have a “peg.”

    re: Romney and what you perceive as a contradiction. I believe Mitt Romney is a VERY good man, and a very competent leader. Except for his genuflection to the fetus people (not a word of which he believes, by the way), he would be head-and-shoulders above Obama as a President. I am dismayed at his party, however, which has been taken over by the most distasteful elements of the Religious Right – and that, my friend, is a high bar. If the GOP set out with a goal of self-immolation, they couldn’t do a better job; unfortunately they are taking Romney with them. I don’t think he has a Chinaman’s chance, and it’s not his fault; it is the fault of his party, supported by folks exactly like you can see right here on this board.

    My wife and I had a little discussion last night. I don’t know this is right, but she said that, “Poll after poll has shown that greater than 90% of American women want abortion available, even if they or their daughters never need it. Women aren’t saying much publicly, but come November, this country will find out how they feel.” Right or wrong, I would say that EVERY woman I know feels the same way. That is MY unscientific poll.

    We shall see; we shall see. Sorry for the soliloquy, Rutherford.

  313. I just watched the Ramesh Raskar “Imaging at a Trillion Frames per second” that I think Tex posted yesterday.

    Absolutely mind blowing both in its current state and its potential applications. Good find Tex!

    Hopefully despite our political differences we can all share the marvel of advancing science. Truly fascinating stuff.

  314. President Obama supported abortion on demand, He also opposed passage of an Illionis bill which would have protected survivors of late term abortion. “…that fetus, or child-however way you want to describe it-is now outside the mothers’ womb and the doctor continues to think that its nonviable but there let say movement or some indication that in fact they.re not just out limp and dead than they would have to call a second physician to monitor and check off and make sure that this is not a live child that could be saved.”

    Isn’t Obama’s view a bit more extreme than what the majority of people believe in this country?

  315. 414 I agree Rutherford. We have now worked 34 hours painting and doing other work on an historic building and museum.

    A larger group was supposed to help, bot only three of us showed up. Work must end today in time for a town celebration tomorrow. Thus, I am now detached from the news.

    Mark Halperin, Jake Tapper, and Chuck Todd have confirmed that the media is helping Obama. by virtually ignoring important economc issues and concentrating on abortion.

    Things change. but as of this morning, i think the Obama campaign is in trouble and it knows it. Hence the abortion discussion.

  316. “Christ said He was God. You mock that. Christ said He came to die for you sins. You called that the biggest hoax in history.

    Well, it sure SEEMS like a hoax, and a pretty good one. Where is that quote………..Here it is:

    “Someone who believes that a guy fathered himself in order to send himself to earth in order to kill himself in order to appease himself for the very sins to which he himself convicted mankind as retribution for having fallen for a trick effected through the agency of a TALKING SNAKE doesn’t get to call other people’s beliefs “ridiculous”.”

    Now explain that “dying for your sins” stuff again…?

    “You called Paul deluded, then had no answer when I pointed out your own scriptural failure.”

    I don’t think I said that, since I don’t know much about Saul. Wasn’t he the guy that had a seizure somewhere in Syria and then thought it was some kind of holy experience? (I might have mentioned that, but it’s more a medical problem than a delusion…)

    I also don’t think I mocked Christ ever, or in any way. If he existed, he was a pretty good, humble dude – and in my limited reading of history, I also don’t think he represented himself as holy during his life, the somewhat self-serving Bible account notwithstanding. Probably, if he existed, his followers did a little grave-robbing and then when it was discovered, had the brilliant idea to represent it as a miracle or divine intervention. Now THAT is some kind of hoax, but it is no bad reflection on the dead man. As hoaxes go, I think you would agree that it worked out pretty well for them.

    So that’s two potential fibs. Can you show cites, please? Else I shall be forced to start the fib clock.

    Tick……..

  317. This one is for Pfesser. Don’t bother watching the full FOUR HOURS (jeeesh) … I certainly didn’t. But I skipped around a bit and lucked upon the segment starting at approximately 3:08:00. The narrator KILLS creationism by highlighting the stupidity of one of its proponents … wait for it … Sarah Palin. He probably didn’t need to devote 20 minutes to it but it does give a good laugh for old times sake. The video was apparently created before the 2008 election and the narrator begs the country to make the right decision.

    PF, for all the heat you’re taking for voting for Obama in 2008, even with 20/20 hindsight, you did the right thing. Had McCain died, we would have had that raving idiot as our President. It truly sends shivers down the spine.

  318. DR @391, precisely.

    That Debby Blabbermouth Shultz video mimics the Rutherford – Newt bullshit here. I’ve asked over and over about the “revelation” and so-called Romney “platform” divined from Akin’s statement — the one sought an exception to a had-line abortion stance. Nothing. They just keep repeating the same lines over and over without addressing it.

    I think it’s safe to assume their position is no better the Blabbermouth’s dishonest rambling in the video.

    Again R, you’re better than this. Why do you throw your credibility away so recklessly and so frequently with this kind of trash talk? Sometimes you sure do behave like a member of the Hitler Youth awakened by a signal sent from MSNBC to carry out orders. If these issues are so weighty and important I wish you would deal honestly with them. Instead you delight in deliberately misstating positions and plain facts as though you’re scoring points on some board that will impact the race. DR got you dead-to-rights in his 391.

    Any chance CNN has figured out that the liberal propaganda media market is crowded enough? Cooper didn’t just walk away from the bullshit as he so often does.

    Blabbermouth represents your party R. You should be embarrassed.

  319. While this conversation is best kept in the coliseum I do have a question.

    Do we have any writings from Jesus himself? If not, why? Why only third party accounts? We have the actual writings of Gandhi and MLK Jr. spiritual leaders of their time. Why not Jesus? Why isn’t one of the books of the Bible written by Jesus instead of Gospels from Matthew, Mark, Luke and John?

    I lean toward PF’s supposition that Jesus was a mortal spiritual leader of his day who was exploited by a cult of personality and sold to ignorant masses. If this is true, the holy man has been shown the ultimate disrespect by the creators of a fraud religion.

  320. Rutherford, you misjudge the power of genetics. While accidents happen to us all, McCain, like me benefits from a long- lived family. His 92-year old mother helped him campaign to allay the fears of a candidate with little time left. I had no fear for his survival.

    Ideology aside, can you honestly think that Sarah Palin would have done a worse job than Obama? Her record showed more success than his did, and that included more executive experience than the other candidates.

    Obviously, she would have moved the country to the right, but she couldn’t have done any more damage than our documented socialist-leaning president.

  321. Jews had a messiah complex before Jesus was born, Rutherford. I don’t know its source. Maybe they were looking for deliverance from Roman Rule.

    Others before Jesus claimed to be our savior, but his story resonated with a small group of followers, who were also good propagandists.

    Jesus’s job was not to write, but to spread the good news that the rule of law via the Old Testament was superceded by grace. All one had to do was to ask Jesus into his/her heart and accept salvation. The old laws no longer applied.

    I also believe His followers assumed salvation and second coming were immediate, so there was little need to record what would soon end. After it became apparent, the second coming and the rest were schedualed at some time in the future. Jesus’s followers accepted his admonition to spread the word.

    At that time, it was important to record Jesus’s words and deeds.

    “cult of personality and sold to ignorant masses” describes how the press sold Obama. Your Freudian slip is showing. .

  322. ”While this conversation is best kept in the coliseum I do have a question.”

    Yeah, sure you do. 🙂

    The truth is you have no answers. Nary a one. And I’m not talking answers to your phony spiritual curiosity questions. Zero answers and zero interest in the real issues.

    As much as I think Noah sometimes forgets to put his human suit on to go outside, I also think the two of you deserve each other.

  323. “And in 2011 Mitt Romney gave over $4 million to charity, almost 19% of his income…. Just for comparison purposes,Obama gave 1% and Joe Biden gave $300 or .0013%.”

    I love this. Lay it on top of Biden’s recent comments:

    “And, by the way, I’ve been saying this for 30 years. And I’m glad to see that Congressman Ryan likes his dad, too, and quotes his dad. I mean that sincerely. But my dad [had] a lot of wisdom. Every time someone tells you, say, ‘Look, let me tell you what’s important to me, what I value.’ My dad would go, ‘No, no. Don’t tell me what you value. Show me your budget, and I will tell you what you value.’”

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/13/joe-bidens-father-might-be-disappointed-in-his-sons-budget/#ixzz24TOgFcwS

    Couldn’t have said it better myself, Jumpin’ Joe — you moron.

  324. Yeah, #424 is par for the course on a number of levels.

    Mr. Budget Hawk Joe “my recollection is – and I’d have to confirm
    this – but I don’t recall paying any money to go to law school”
    Biden.

  325. Some people, including Rutherford were so afraid of a Palin presidency, they were willing to take their chances with a socialist with little record of anything substantive.

    President the one mispelled Ohio but he didn’t get the Dan Quail treatment.

    Our fearless hero made one of the gutsiest decisions in five hundred years to kill Osama bin Ladin. If he was so involved, why did he not know that the leader of the SEALs is an admiral, not general. Our commander in chief doesn’t even know to which branch of the service, SEALs belong.

    A Washington Post article tells us we are not better off than we were four years ago. In fact the answer this time is Hell no. And you were afraid of Sarah?

  326. Poll after poll has shown that greater than 90% of American women want abortion available, even if they or their daughters never need it. Women aren’t saying much publicly, but come November, this country will find out how they feel.” Right or wrong, I would say that EVERY woman I know feels the same way. That is MY unscientific poll.

    A huge whopper and most certainly UNSCIENTIFIC. 😆

    Your wife is about as representative of the typical woman in this country as Anna Nicole Smith once was. Sorry, but most mothers and wives I know aren’t some Erica Jong wannabee late in life.

    51% of the country now calls itself pro-life, with women more favorable of that position than men. Abortion on demand proponents like you always throw out the anomalies like rape and incest in order to hide the mass butchering that goes on. Abortion will always be, because sometimes there is no choice in the most heartbreaking of circumstances. There’s not a Catholic Hospital one that doesn’t recognize that fact. But that’s not the Ryan issue which bled off from one moronic statement from a poorly versed, poorly know candidate which started this whole discussion.

    Now speaking of mendacity, Thor of all people busted you here recently and I laughed to myself at your obvious bloviating personals and inconsistency from one month to the next, but kept quiet to keep the peace. You’re lying thru your teeth about the ‘Saul’ story above too, and I wouldn’t have to leave this blog to quote you.

    But I’m going to end this unnecessary battle for three months because it detracts from what I want to talk about with you and anyone else with half a brain. Beating Obama and righting the ship – if possible. We have a mutually vested interest we are letting slip through our fingers, by letting weak and confused men like Rutherford detract from the important issues at hand.

    Rutherford’s not terribly worldly or perceptive about most things, so let me explain to the room how you shot your own foot. Had Sarah Palin been Vice President, there would be no Obamacare. Had there been no Obamacare and the associated front loaded reductions to Medicare that doctors are currently experiencing, chances likely you wouldn’t have been introduced to a 33% reduction in your salary in 2012. If you hadn’t had your salary reduced, you might not have worn out your welcome at the hospital. So your own bigotry about some ditz in Alaska may have boomeranged on you.

    You’re on the fringe about everything from your militant hate mongering atheism, to your inanity about the history of the GOP. And frankly Pfesser, though I know you not dumb, you come to some really inane conclusions – with only a small minority of the world agreeing with your predilection of religious hatred – and those that do, look really ugly from where I sit.

    Your basic philosophy of godlessness has failed equally as spectacularly as Rutherford’s penchant for statism anytime it has been tried. They generally go hand-in-hand.

    I may occasionally slip and let your militancy bait me into the sewer, but I recognize personal struggle when I read it too – just like I do with Thor. We all have it to a degree.

    But I would think a man that likes math realizes he’s lived about 75% of his life now, and that might make you stop and reflect.

    If not, you’re a fool.

  327. 424, sounds like Biden’s dad was following the biblical concept told by Jesus, “Wherever your treasure is, there your heart and thoughts will also be.”

    James said it, Rutherford. The days that Jesus walked the earth and ministered were revolutionary and His followers expected the kingdom to take over the planet – right then.

    There was no public education back then, so few could read or write. And it wasn’t like the local Piggly Wiggly was selling notebooks and ball points.

    The scribes were tasked with writing, but it was generally just copying the older texts of the prophets. Free lance writing was not the norm. These guys could be killed for deviating from the accepted path.

    The Romans kept meticulous records and do record His existence.

    The only record of Jesus actually writing that I am aware of was in the dirt when the adulteress was brought out to be stoned for her sins. Of course we never know who the guy involved was.

    But then, if other writings existed, there is little hope of them surviving 2000 years. Especially for public consumption. Many of the early writings were burned when the “Christian” church was established because they were considered controversial or misleading. Another case of the victors providing their account to the world.

  328. I’ll answer your question about why Christ didn’t “write” the Bible, Rutherford, even if it was asked in the usual mocking tone.

    You will have to research the answer yourself.

    Here’s your first clue – for the same reason Christ taught in parables. Now you discover for yourself why Christ taught in parables, because he explained it to His disciples.

    Time for you to start seeking the truth on your own and without the hand holding. You might find it a more redeeming experience than listening to Chaz Maddow with the Mrs.

  329. Honestly I don’t get this Reagan Democrat concept. Sounds to me like a wolfsheep … there ain’t no such thing. If you didn’t vote for Carter in 1980 or Mondale in 1984 then you weren’t a Democrat. I don’t care what word salad one chooses to chew on.

    My kids laugh at how “political” I am. It’s a household joke to hear dad rant.

    Well sounds like the libs on this board have something in common with the Taylor family. 😉

  330. “Some people, including Rutherford were so afraid of a Palin presidency, they were willing to take their chances with a socialist with little record of anything substantive.”

    Don’t fool yourself, James. Rutherford would’ve voted for Obama if Palin were his running mate. Rutherford just participated in the orgy of Palin bashing to lend more justification for what he was going to do anyway. So did PF. Obviously.

  331. Skittle shitting.

    You see Newt, this is what I love about our resident attorney. You offer a full sentence, full of actual meaning and our friend supposedly trained in argumentative combat offers skittle shitting.

    Damn, Tigre … I sincerely hope you put yourself through Law School cos otherwise, you flushed Ma and Pop’s money down the drain. 😦 (By the way, pot calling kettle black here … to this day I’m ashamed of what a poor investment I was for my parents college-wise.)

    Aside to Pfesser: Tigre and BiW are attorneys, Dead Rabbit is a teacher. Oh and Tex is an EVERYMAN! 🙂

  332. Wow that Debbie is a bewb. Andersen boomsticked her and would not let her wiggle away. I’ll bet she went out and got drunk after that.

    Skip this if you don’t care about numbers. Some of them have been given here already as well. Anyhoo –

    According to Pew Research on abortion, “most Americans fall in between, preferring what might be described as a ‘legal but rare’ stance.” About 1/3 of Americans would make abortion illegal except in cases of rape or incest, or to save a woman’s life. Most Americans share the common ground. Who wants abortion to be legal but rare?

    64% of conservative Republicans
    66% of moderate/liberal Republicans
    59% of Moderate/conservative Democrats
    52% of Independents
    27% of Liberal Democrats–they don’t want to compromise.

    Mitt Romney is firmly in the “legal but rare camp” camp. Like 2/3 of conservative Republicans, he believes abortion should be permitted in cases of rape, incest, or when the mother’s life is threatened.

    http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Mitt_Romney_Abortion.htm
    (Report is dated 2007)
    _

    This from August 2012 (includes numbers on R’s and some surprising numbers on D’s) –

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/08/22/how-many-republicans-agree-with-todd-akin-on-abortion/

    It looks like about 25% of Republicans think abortion should be illegal in all cases (the absolutist position).
    _

    At the very least this tempest in a teapot highlights at least some space between Romney’s position and the position of the absolutists (25% of all R’s), while at the same time calling attention to Obama’s position 100% to the other extreme of the absolutists (finding agreement among 37% of all D’s).

  333. In case anyone hasn’t noticed, I’m in a wise-ass mood today. So I will inevitably be called a punk by Tex and a b*tch by Noah. It goes with the territory. 🙂

  334. “You offer a full sentence, full of actual meaning. . .”

    Hahahahahaha. Yeah. Really full of “actual meaning.” About as much as your attempt at a dig on my being lawyer. Heavy. 😆

    I can already tell your recitation of Obama’s “plan” will be “meaningful.” 🙄

  335. I know you’re unhappy. It’s a shock to the system when you were a big shot, and six weeks out of the job, nobody remembers you. You’re not important anymore, and the perv novels and the traveling with the wife ain’t cutting it for the ego.

    You’re searching around and haven’t found the answers you seek. To its back to the booze. I get it. Been there, done that, minus the booze.

    But get off the religious bashing for 75 days and lets win an election. If you love anything, it’s got to be your money and your toys. It consumes you. You won’t have any if Bammi wins again.

    While I can’t endorse any of this diagnosis, there is actually a thread of compassion to be found in it. PF I think you’ve grown on old Tex over the past year or so. 🙂

  336. Damned if you do. Damned if you don’t.

    Valid assessment Rabbit, actually. As I write about this I see the no-win position I put Republicans in. If they’re purists, which is the only pro-life position for which I have any real respect, I call them a threat to women’s freedom. If they’re not purists, I call them hypocrites.

    What you miss is this is EXACTLY why third parties (like the government and ME and YOU) should butt the hell out of it. It is personal. It needs to be resolved on a case by case basis between a woman, her doctor and her advisers. Unlike some on this board, I believe someone in that contingent WILL think about the interests of the unborn. They may or may not prevail.

    You still decide to peddle hate.

    You sound like Mitt. There’s nothing hateful about it. It’s a discussion of ideas and their consequences.

    The absolute right thing to do, if my wife was impregnated by rape, is love the baby as my own son. The absolute right thing to do would be to forgive the serial killer who kills my family. You openly mock Christianity for the same reasons that i quietly doubt it.

    I don’t see your two scenarios as equivalent. I agree you should love that child as if he/she was your own flesh and blood. He/She didn’t ask to be the offspring of a rapist. On the other hand why you should forgive a serial killer is beyond me. And honestly Rabbit, I see very little daylight between us. My open “mocking” and your quiet doubt amount to bad vs good manners and little more. You’re an agnostic who doesn’t want to admit to being an agnostic.

  337. Wow. After Pfessor rips me for appealing to my wife’s musings on abortion as unscientific (I rolled with the punch on that one, fair enough), he confidently appeals to his wife as the authority. While 90% is laughable, what bugs me more is pfessor thinks his wife’s views of women are more valid then my wife’s….because…..well….she’s the wife of mighty pfessor and smarter.

  338. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz is a piss poor spokesperson and she seems to get worse by the day. I really used to like her. She’s clearly lying in the Anderson Cooper interview. While I will trumpet the failure of the party platform there is no denying that the platform is really just symbolic and the candidate basically ignores it, albeit quietly so he doesn’t piss off the base. Romney has embraced personhood which is a backdoor route to the same no-exceptions policy but like the grand flip-flopper that he is, he has publicly stated he endorses the rape/incest exception.

    I hate to pour gasoline on Tex’s fire but the Dem women come off no more appealing this year than the Republican women do. Stephanie Cutter is another major fail. 😦

  339. I would like to retract my remark that you deserve Noah, Rutherford. My sincere apologies.

    LOL I’m behind on comments as usual, so I haven’t gotten to that one yet Muffy … apology accepted.

    No one deserves Noah. 😉

  340. Rutherford would’ve voted for Obama if Palin were his running mate. Rutherford just participated in the orgy of Palin bashing to lend more justification for what he was going to do anyway. So did PF. Obviously.

    Damn straight, Mr. Tigre.

    Rutherford’s an MSNBC crusader. If you want the post topic for the week, listen in to any MSNBC broadcast to get the talking points here. Rutherford ought to be paying Chris Matthews royalties.

    The Palin noise was a distraction – had she been Bammi’s running mate, Obama would have been going on about her Alaska successes, her strong family commitments, her rogue but feminine mystic. My buddy “R” ain’t fooling anybody.

    Now the Palin bashing by Pfesser? That was probably a little more sincere. Inane and misplaced. But sincere.

    Got news for you PDS types. Joe Biden has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, no matter how weak and nuts you may think Sarah Palin who I happen to think she’s more like the head cheerleader in high school (mediocre but not stupid), Palin truly is a Mensa candidate standing next to Joe Biden.

    Other than Debbie Whatshername Schultz and this Cutter skank, there isn’t a more idiotic white Dim headlining at the moment.

  341. First some military types commit treason by speaking out against our C-I-C. Now apparently a Navy Seal actually involved in the Osama raid has written a book about it to be published on 9/11. Other Seals have condemned him for it.

    What’s happening to our military folks?

  342. I’m with you, Muffy. You know where I hold Jesus.

    But I would like to imagine, this poor little women’s mishap made even Jesus laugh out loud. I know I did.

    The best of intent gone awry.

  343. Measure your President not by his words but by his actions. “And in 2011 Mitt Romney gave over $4 million to charity, almost 19% of his income…. Just for comparison purposes,Obama gave 1% and Joe Biden gave $300 or .0013%.”

    More than enough reason to vote for Romney. Judge a man by what he does, not his words. You wont see the Leftists take this on.

    [You see Newt, this is what I love about our resident attorney. You offer a full sentence, full of actual meaning and our friend supposedly trained in argumentative combat offers skittle shitting.]

    This is done for you a dozen times a day Rutherford. Honest, complete, and well thought out answers that hold people accountable for what they say, you shit on everyone here with your dishonest, disingenuous responses.

  344. What’s happening to our military folks?

    WOW! You even have to ask? Rutherford, get off the pot and get your head in the game.

    You think Gorilla is somehow unique in his opinions of Obama’s treasonous nature? Man, the greatest part of our military, even the veterans, don’t dislike Obama.

    They disdain Obama. Why in the hell do you turds think you’re always trying to suppress the active duty vote?

    And I have found our military when taken as a whole the best judge of real character around. Obama represents everything the military is again, my man.

    Self absorbed, megalomania, treasonous to liberty and freedom.

  345. Rutherford, about O’Reilly?

    Literally we had the Dimocratic version of Baghdad Bob on the tube last night, telling the world that Obama had created more new jobs than Ronald Reagan. 😯

    And there are people on this board like Newton and the Tool™man, so dim, they are liable to believe it.

    Why should FOX News, the only station not in the tank for Obama, even give voice to that level of nonsense? If I wanted that, I could turn into MSNBC. Hell CNN is starting to do it better than O’Reilly.

    There is absolutely no truth in the Dimocratic Party these days. And I never, ever thought that bringing back the Clinton crowd depending what the word is, is – would actually raise the truthful dialogue. Even Lanny Davis about choked when asked. He mumbled something about, “Well” and shrugged his shoulders.

    Rutherford, what you walk lock step with is nothing but a pack of outrageous lies and deceit anymore. Want me to prove it?

    What is Obama’s economic plan? Because Timothy Geithner, Treasurer and tax cheat, just said Dimocrats don’t have one.

    You party is a bad joke. You won’t understand, but most here will. Rush Limbaugh and I aren’t saying the same thing about these stooges for nothing.

  346. Gawd, what a bunch of shysters we have sitting in the Whitehouse anymore.

    😆 😆 😆

    Obama has millions of fake Twitter followers

    Damn, you lackeys are pitiful. Did you stooges send in your wedding presents yet for Bammi stash?

  347. What’s happening to our military folks?

    It’s called independent thought and doesn’t bode well for the group think needed in successful military campaigns. Probably why there is so much push to create cyborg soldiers.

    Blame the music…

  348. U.S. Incomes Fell More in Recovery, Sentier Says

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-23/u-s-incomes-feel-more-in-recovery-sentier-says.html

    Median household income fell 4.8 percent on an inflation- adjusted basis since the recession ended in June 2009, more than the 2.6 percent drop during the 18-month contraction, the research firm’s Gordon Green and John Coder wrote in a report today. Household income is 7.2 percent below the December 2007 level, the former Census Bureau economic statisticians wrote.

    What’s the Obama Plan, Newt?

  349. Well PF thanks for the follow up and sharing.
    I was going to put up a post and still might about what is going on right now. I will say this here though,the Missouri Compromise circa 2012 is upon us and I think the GOP will make out fine.

  350. Isn’t the Obama plan the same as the Rmoney plan? Keep the carrot visible but just out of reach. That’s what’s called leading in today’s USofA.

  351. First some military types commit treason by speaking out against our C-I-C. Now apparently a Navy Seal actually involved in the Osama raid has written a book about it to be published on 9/11. Other Seals have condemned him for it.
    What’s happening to our military folks?

    WTF ARE YOU DRINKING??????
    First off in the world of words meaning things,the POTUS is first and foremost the or their CinC never ours
    Treason is a very strong word and only a totally blind O-bot could level it as a charge against any of the uniformed or formerly uniformed folks that have slighted BHO in any manner.Under no circumstance that I am aware of has the service members been even remotely guilty of treason against the nation or the Oval occupant.(including McCrystal)
    One could make a very good case that the “most transparent administration evah”! has indeed been guilty of treason vis a vis various leaks.
    As for RETIRED military personnel writing books and entering the world of free enterprise….what can I say if you are loony enough to be cross on this one???

  352. When Mitt Romney left office he did a pretty neat thing to the ungrateful Obama prequel Deval Patrick.
    In Mass the outgoing Governor ends the handover of office with this very moving walk out of the State House. the halls are lined with staff and pols and dignitaries. It is very neat. Well Mitt didn’t partake in this so that Deval could use the front of the SH as a grand pavilion for his inauguration. Now Obama won’t even let the (R)’s have a convention. class-not!

  353. The concept of a Reagan democrat is pretty easy. I think what trips you up is the failure to realize the democrat party used to be something of real worth and not the total,utter bag of shit it is today. 1980 was long time ago but if you want I will tell you a bed time story about the politicians and politics of the day.
    Bottom line is Reagan democrats were the folks that wanted to puke in ’68,puked between ’70-’74 and puked and had diarrhea from ’77-’80.

  354. @ PF after reading 417…. See there lies one of the reasons I can’t “peg” you. After reading your screed there I instantly wondered if a blind guy pisses you off. Seriously a person who has never seen in their entire life but shares with you what they see. They don’t ask you to see it. Just sharing. Just letting you know. I can’t help but see you jumping up and down outraged that he doesn’t say, see an orange to be,well,orange.
    On an intellectual level I get why you despise social conservatism;however, I seriously believe your reasons are oversimplified and horribly superficial. Next time someone shares the reasons they don’t like gay marriage,free needles or abortion I think you’d do well to think of the orange.Ultimately it can,and will,still be an orange but what it is to someone else is really up to them.

  355. BTW Noah you oughta consider going after those traitors before you come after me.

    Sorry I go after the threats in the order of what is the greatest threat to the least.

  356. @ Rutherford…I’ve seen a number of times now where you’ve made statements linking Romney to personhood legislation,anti-abortion stances etc etc. The thing you seem to be willfully ignoring is that the closer on all of Mitts “flips and flops” on abortion end the same way. STATES RIGHTS.
    This is starting to show itself as a very big issue for you. States having rights is near toxic to you and yours and that is sad. This is a big player btw in what I’ve deemed the Missouri Compromise of 2012.

  357. This is a well-documented article and should get some thinking about the agenda we are following. I especially liked the clip from Democracy Today that talked about the peace movement of the sixties. It also mentioned Reagan and how he became involved as an informant for the FBI, which in turn helped him in his political career. All of the facts revealed and based on FOIA documents. Probably some more inconvenient truth for all the revisionists on this board.

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/08/u-s-government-planned-indefinite-detention-of-citizens-long-before-911.html

    And speaking of inconvenient…

  358. Treason? The treason took place when the white house leaked. Former military have the same right to free speech as anyone. Or am I treasonous as well? Whistle blowing white house leaks is a good thing. Unfortunately, the point gets lost with their whining about Obama taking too much credit. But, hey, it’s a free country.

  359. What is organized religion? Granted, some are superior to others.

    But if “organized religion” is bunk, why were you pissing yourself to cater to Islam to build a mosque 600 feet from WTC, after the same followers of that “organized” religion just blasted two towers a decade before killing 2,700 people? Organized religion didn’t seem to bother you much then. Now if Bammi had been bothered, you would have been bothered.

    If organized religion is bunk, why did half our founding fathers have theology degrees? Are you and Pfesser so much more enlightened than Benjamin Franklin, who acknowledged “endowed by our Creator?”

    If organized religion is bunk, why does 90% of the world affiliated themselves like I listed above with some type of spiritual, supernatural acknowledgement through organization?

    No Rutherford, the zealots on MSNBC hate JC – you hate JC. And the reason is even more simple. More than even the Constitution of the United States, organized religion puts limits on each individual doing what is right in his own eyes.

    Our very societal laws are based on an “organized” religion derived from Judaism. That’s pretty organized.

  360. I wouldn’t even call Rutherford an agnostic. Atheism fits – without Theist. Agnosticism says I don’t know but I’m looking. Rutherford isn’t looking.

    Rutherford is an atheist like Jim Dougan, with the tiniest shred of doubt that the supposed science doesn’t make a heck of a lot of sense to explain what he observes.

  361. Rutherford, in 392, do you feel this is a valid way for the DNC chair to argue? I ask because this I feel is exactly how you argue your points on here.

  362. Dang it Tex. I already posted that t-shirt for R. You’re stealing my comedy.

    And BTW, if character mattered to the left, why would dems practically build shrines to the Kennedys and Bill “I did not have sexual relations with that woman” Clinton?

  363. alfie @466. I’m not sure I get all the allegory. It’s hard to make oneself clear in print and I ‘m kind of slow on some of the coded language, so just hit me over the head with it. LOL Thanks.

  364. Yeah, the math shirt. 🙄 Tigre already posted it. Details. Those little things that always trip you up.

    Too bad the Ryan’s math doesn’t work in the real world, the one we all (minus politicians) have to deal with. Otherwise, its a pretty good graphic, even if not original.

  365. Too bad the Ryan’s math doesn’t work in the real world, the one we all (minus politicians) have to deal with.

    Like your missing tax returns, Tool™? Or the 4,000,000 unique visits to Fat Grannies? Which math doesn’t work in the real world again?

  366. Tigre,

    Deflowering young female pages while the wife is a way is a Dimocratic Presidential sacrament, depending on what the word is, is.

    Bonus if you can hold the Bible on Easter Sunday in the Oval office while being serviced.

  367. Also corrected my mistake before you noticed or picked it up regarding unique hits at M&H.

    Wrong bozo. It was after I laughed at you that you corrected yourself. 😆 Look it up shortly after you graced up with your presence and carried Fat Grannies with you.

    And did you forgot your daily Israel daily allotment of military expense too? That was a thing of beauty. I’m sure you build fine pools, and sculpt like Leonardo.

    But Newton’s Chair is safe, Tool™. 😀

  368. Wrong bozo. It was after I laughed at you that you corrected yourself.

    Wrong, Krusty. I went back and found it just as I said.

    Details… they’re gonna bite your ass. Probably good it’s sooo big. 😆

  369. Well if you found Bozo, post it. Then direct the rest of us to refresh my memory. And we can check out those sequence of events about you correcting yourself. 😀 So I’m calling you a liar, Tool™. We can also measure exactly whose memory is fuzzy.

    By the way flunky. I read your article with the rest of the NYT flunkies comments. They left out one part of the equation that math flunkies can’t appreciate about lower capital gains taxes – it’s called risk. Something you can’t possible understand living off the teat.

  370. First some military types commit treason by speaking out against our C-I-C. Now apparently a Navy Seal actually involved in the Osama raid has written a book about it to be published on 9/11. Other Seals have condemned him for it.

    What’s happening to our military folks?” – R

    Well, lets see. The military is a faction of people who knowingly accept that they may have to die for their nation. SEALs are a group of people who volunteer, train, and execute operations that consistently put their lives in danger. They all do this for a nation that they love. I’ve not met one military person who hated America. Not one.

    For all the hate and vitriol you throw at Bush, he was largely loved by the military. Obama is not loved by the military, not even a little. What does that say about the respect the military holds for the CIC?

    Respect is earned.

  371. Tool™, did you miss 374?

    By the way, I did find this while I was over here. Rutherford. Do you remember this?

    379. Rutherford | December 8, 2010 at 12:45 am

    OMFG! Tex, you now take pot shots at old ladies? I just visited the blog and they’re on mobility scooters for heaven’s sake! ROTFLMAO … man you are really too much! 😆

  372. You know, I’ve missed most of the comments on this post, but I don’t think I’ve really missed much.

    R continues with his distractions.

    Newt continues to post propaganda.

    Piss cake continues to show he’s a delusional, racist sack of shit.

    Nothing new.

    R, when are you going to post on Obama’s plan? When can you provide a window for what we can expect, policy wise, from Obama for the next 4 years. At this point, I damn curious what it is you plan on doing…

  373. Yeah R. You said it would be done Monday afternoon. So, its obvious that you tried to write it or at least had full intention and then abruptly changed your mind. What happened? We get this blog point, already, . Romney shouldn’t win because there are pro life people in the Republican base. Deep shit, dude. You should have just wrote that and been done. You’re so fucking deep, bro. You blow my mind bro. Come on brah.

  374. JOE vs. JOSE

    You have two families: “Joe Legal” and “Jose Illegal”. Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California, or Florida, or Pennsylvania, or Nebraska — you get the idea.

    Joe Legal works in construction has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.

    Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash “under the table”.

    Ready? Now pay attention….

    Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00.

    Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.0 0 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00.

    Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $24,031.00.

    Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics and emergency hospitals at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

    Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.

    Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps, WIC and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

    Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe Legal now has 9,631 .00.

    Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month Federal Rent Subsidy. Jose Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $ 31,200.00.

    Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for car insurance. Some of that is uninsured motorist insurance. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.

    Jose Illegal says, “We don’t need no stinkin’ insurance!” and still has $31,200.00.

    Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc..

    Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month..

    Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.

    Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

    Joe Legal’s and Jose Illegal’s children both attend the same elementary school. Joe Legal pays for his children’s lunches, while Jose Illegal’s children get a government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal’s children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal’s children go home.

    Now, when they reach college age, Joe Legal’s kids may not get into a State School and may not qualify for scholarships, grants or other tuition help, even though Joe has been paying for State Schools through his taxes, while Jose Illegal’s kids “go to the head of the class” because they are a minority.

    Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.

    Do you get it, now?

  375. Rutherford, when you pretend like you are torn over abortion you always ramble on about how it should be rare. It’s not rare. Would you mind telling me how I am allowed to address your concern with out being offensive to women and a chauvinistic pig. I would love to see your explanation for why there are so many abortions. I want women to like me, bro. You’re like the fonzi, bro. Come on, brah.

  376. Rutherford, don’t you always bitch about working stiff Republicans being so dumb because they don’t vote in their best interest. Yet, you support people who wouldn’t give a rat’s ass if your fucking brains were sucked out of your gourd because you look weird. Hell, some of them would pull the trigger. Suck your MENSA brain out bro. Your MENSA brain is your blob soul, bro. Come on, brah.

  377. Rabbit, has it occurred to you that my disability factors into my ambivalence about abortion? You don’t think I possess enough self awareness to know that I and folks like me are prime targets?

  378. I think R is busy trying to figure out how he is going to not hold himself responsible. If I were a betting man, he will give an excuse followed by taking the affirmative action slide, quoting someone else’s work that represents what he would have wrote if he had decided to do it.

  379. It’s not rare.

    Rare is relative dude. Lots and lots more babies are born than aborted. Are more aborted than we’d like? Sure. Are some aborted for no reason other than a woman viewing it as a form of birth control? Sure. But that last instance is particularly rare. If you think otherwise than you don’t think very highly of the female gender. Do you really think lots of women choose abortion over the pill?

  380. 1.3 million a year. 90 percent nothing more then birth control. You know this to be true. Fake little feller, you are.

  381. Not fake at all. Obviously you consider yourself an expert on the numbers. I never claimed to be. I base my assertions on my faith in the nature of human beings. I simply do not believe most women who get abortions are as cavalier as you’d like me to believe.

  382. ” Do you really think lots of women choose abortion over the pill?”

    Yes. Obviously. Or there wouldn’t be 1.3 million abortions a year. Does this make me a meany?

  383. That’s funny. Because we have discussed the numbers several times. Well, anywho. You know the numbers now. You are an expert. Unless it’s my facts you don’t trust? Well lets pretend you believe then. I think 1.3 million would generally be accepted as not rare. How do I appropriately discuss this? Or were you just bluffing when you used the word “rare” because you knew in advance the word held no meaning. It’s just pomp.

  384. What, do you think your God, Poolman? I got punched and kicked at least once a week my entire childhood. Try to suck my brains and I will rip your neck out Roadhouse style.

  385. Poolman, I can’t believe you insinuated that women who get abortions are more likely to be child abusers. That’s so demeaning to women. Rutherford is going to be pissed.

  386. [Obviously you consider yourself an expert on the numbers. I never claimed to be. I base my assertions on my faith in the nature of human beings.]

    ie He believes his “gut” feeling gets every bit as much consideration and credibility as your numbers. Thus his wild assertions on just about any subjects. His feelings trump your facts.

  387. We finally completed most of our renovation, and I am tired.

    A local talk show is discussing the movie 2016, Obama’s America produced by the producer of Zurasic Park and Shindler’s list. The movie describes Obama as I did to Tex and some others. Obama is a socialist, but more than that, he is an anti- colonialist.

    From the post movie discussion, I think Ruitherford, Newt, Thor and others should watch the movie. They won’t because they feel as my mother did when as a teenager, I read some books denying Jesus devinity. She thought it would weaken my faith.

  388. Women who get abortions are more likely to be child abusers? That may make Rutherford angry. Me too. My wife and I considered an abortion, and the mental process was Hell. At the time, we thought it was the baby’s life or ours. There was no baby, so our debate was resolved, but I remember how it was. and I assume many women and couples treat it as a last resort as we did.

  389. Another thing about Joe Illegal is though he lives in the shadows and earns much less than he would if he was legal, it is much more than in his native country. He probably tells his neighbors and cousins how good his life is. He also sends part of his salary home to support his family and by extension his home town.

    Such people work hard , and they are the type of people who a nation needs to economically grow, However, they are thieves who take more than they give.

  390. Everybody wants to make abortion rare, and we know how to do it.

    Do what they do in Europe, and it starts with a attitude: 1) accept sex as a normal human drive and deal with it. 2) recognize that a young unmarried mother is going to be a drag on the system. 3) Realize that kids have sexual feelings quite young and address them.

    Then you teach them about reproduction throughout their school years with age-appropriate materials, propagandize them about teen pregnancy and make it “not cool.”

    But if you are going to go that far, then you are obligated to walk the walk: Make contraceptives available to them at appropriate ages. You don’t do what we do here – piss and moan about teen pregnancy and then blow smoke up their ass about “abstinence.” Kids know bullshit when they see it; if you are a hypocrite they will pick it up instantly – and then they will ignore you, like – well, like they do here…

    The problem in America is the hypocrisy. We flood children and yutes with sexual images 24/7, then tell the “sex before marriage is inappropriate.” We refuse to teach them about sexuality and instill the idea that sex is dirty/nasty – exactly the thing to make them want to do it all the more. Our “community leaders” – and the black community comes in for special criticism – fail to provide for the girls alternative ways to channel their energies, and the community itself treats a seventeen year-old with no baby like there is something wrong with her equipment.

    Then we attack those who get pregnant and want to abort, but refuse to adopt those children – at least the minority ones. So instead of attacking the problem at the source, or then letting them abort, we use the band-aid approach and then put these welfare moms on the dole, creating a system of perverse incentives guaranteed to produce more out-of-wedlock babies.

    No, the problem is not the kids; it’s the adults. We have met the enemy; you know the rest.

  391. Rabbit, has it occurred to you that my disability factors into my ambivalence about abortion? You don’t think I possess enough self awareness to know that I and folks like me are prime targets?” – R

    Yet you’re a member of the group that would kill you in the womb or will kill you in old age. It’s the left that pushes eugenics, not the right. That would put you on the dirty end of the stick, sort of speak…

  392. At least Pfessor doesn’t pretend that it isn’t rare I’d be curious to know what percentage of abortions are minors. I’ll have to digest what he wrote. I should adopt a black baby. I bet its near impossible thanks to the b.s. It is way too hard to adopt. Almost impossible if your lower middle class.

  393. From the time we became qualified foster parents to the day the adoption was finalized, we had to spend just short of $17,000 to adopt our first.

  394. Poolman, I can’t believe you insinuated that women who get abortions are more likely to be child abusers.

    Rabbit, I can’t believe you concluded that from anything I posted.

    Dude, when the notion of abortion enters your brain it takes over and any former logical pathways disappear. It’s like a drug to you.

    And because you got punched and kicked weekly your entire childhood, you think that normal? Was any reported as child abuse? Doubtful. Or are you insinuating everyone get over it? The child abuse statistics I posted are actual reported cases. These were wanted children, carried full term.

    There is a whole contingent of abusers in this land just waiting for a child to come along so they can ‘practice their faith’. It’s way bigger than abortion.

  395. PFesser at 521, exactly!

    We are reaping what we’ve been sowing. How can we expect different results when we keep mixing the same ingredients one generation to the next?

    That’s why I’ve come to criticize our institutions and culture. It promotes the very things we claim to hate.

    And Rutherford talks about his faith in the nature of man. 😐 I have zero faith in man and less than zero in man’s institutions. His proven record is dismal at best.

  396. DR @ 523. My first wife and I planned to adopt and went through the process. It is indeed heinous if you want a white baby. Black babies, special needs children, older children are – if not a breeze – much, much easier. It’s supply and demand. I had a fat social worker “inspect” my home. She was from so far on the other side of the track that she spent half her time focussing on my rather – I have to admit – ostentatious stereo system.

    re: rarity of abortion. If the Right wants abortion to be rare, they should demand that their Party stop pushing policies – like “abstinence-only” – that make abortions necessary.

  397. ”Are some aborted for no reason other than a woman viewing it as a form of birth control? Sure. But that last instance is particularly rare.”

    Are you promoting the assumption that abortions NOT performed for medical reasons are “particularly rare?”

    ”If you think otherwise than you don’t think very highly of the female gender. Do you really think lots of women choose abortion over the pill?”

    Human life is a human issue, not a gender issue. It sounds like you’re the one putting the accountability for sad stats entirely onto women. And no, I don’t think “lots of women choose abortion over the pill.” I think lots of PEOPLE make the decision not to be pregnant AFTER the fact.

    ”I base my assertions on my faith in the nature of human beings. I simply do not believe most women who get abortions are as cavalier as you’d like me to believe.”

    Who would like you to believe that most women who get abortions are cavalier about their decision? Another made up demographic. Maybe you need to examine what YOU think of women who choose abortion for no medical reason.

    I can count six separate women that I would consider close friends at one time or another in my life that had abortions (one had three). Not one of these women chose abortion for medical reasons. They got pregnant through risky behavior and/or carelessness. No broken condoms – though I know it happens. No rape. No incest. But a different decision made in the cool light of reason or sobriety.

    I also know several women who’ve kept their babies, and at least two that I can think of that gave their babies up for adoption.

    That’s why I try and abide by a short window for people to put away their “trouble” and leave it between them and God. Nothing is unforgivable in His eyes. Nothing. You hear “judgment” and you draw a picture of condemnation. I draw a picture of forgiveness.

    So I’ve personally comforted and held women while they wept and grieved and made heart wrenching appeals for someone to help them forgive themselves. They bear a heavy burden precisely because they lack the cavalier attitude that you assume of women that choose abortion.

    #521 is nothing more than a lot fake insight and phacts. Not that you’re being fake, PF. But when someone speaks with insight, there is a connection made between them and the people they speak of and the people they are speaking to. I personally feel no such connection with your comments, though I can see that certain others do. Oddly I’m entirely comfortable with those established connections. And your facts and conclusions are conjecture and distortions.

    One observation I’d also share is that I find it interesting that one extreme end of the spectrum invokes outrage while the other invokes…cavalierness. So much for stuggling with a moral dilemma.

  398. Muffy, that was very well said. Even if I had the articulation skills, Rutherford and the left will dismiss me because I’m a dude.

  399. “#521 is nothing more than a lot fake insight and phacts.”

    He who asserts bears the burden of proof. Your evidence?

    “…when someone speaks with insight, there is a connection made between them and the people they speak of and the people they are speaking to.”

    Say what?

    “I personally feel no such connection with your comments, though I can see that certain others do.”

    Emotional connections do not interest me. Facts, logical progression of arguments, supportable conclusions do.

    “Oddly I’m entirely comfortable with those established connections.”

    I have no idea what that means…can you help me out?

    “And your facts and conclusions are conjecture and distortions.”

    I dispute that. Show us where and how that is true.

  400. “He who asserts bears the burden of proof.”

    Go right ahead.

    #521 is your opinion, your observations, your insights, your conclusions. Not mine. #531 is mine.

    I’m not troubled in the slightest by who agrees with your opinion is what I meant. Does that help?

    Your insight is your discernment. You know not of which you speak.

    It sounds to me like we dispute each other. I expect that we’re equally comfortable with that too.

  401. I do think abortions are performed more often because of the oops factor, as Muffy infers. We can state the valid reasons all day, but really, most people that I have known that have had them was because a child would be inconvenient or unwanted.

    Another thing I have observed, is that even the staunch anti-abortion right wing crowd uses the same system, though much more discretely, often traveling to other states where they are not known.

    I also know many that have gone ahead and had the baby, even though they end up raising the child alone. Many of these are the result of one night of carelessness.

    I do know a few that have chosen to put their child up for adoption. Some have regretted that decision later in life. I also know quite a few that have been trying for years to get pregnant, of which my youngest daughter is one.

    But it does boil down to practices and attitudes that our society promotes or conceals. We are a land rife with sexual hangups, abuses, and misconceptions. One with no consistent and true foundation on which to build healthy sexual attitudes or knowledge.

    This is mostly a result of religion, I think, and the “see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil” that that sect advocates.

  402. muffy –

    I’ll make it real simple for you. You said my opinions and conclusions were wrong. If you think so, you are obligated to say why, or were you just talking to hear your head rattle?

  403. If abortion is made illegal, what should be done to the women who have an abortion?

    The prison system is a profitable and mostly private enterprise. By making more things humans choose illegal in this country, we can ensure these captive investments remain solid. They even use prisoners in many instances today as a workforce. That has become a huge asset to industry and one that doesn’t require them to meet minimum wage laws or other pesky and costly regulations.

    And as history records, the women would be targeted and the men would be less apt to suffer. It takes two to create that new life, but only the one carries the burden and its toll on one’s health.

  404. @#537 The woman? Nothing.

    Newt, how reasonable is it to expect that to happen (abortion to become illegal again)? You might be surprised who you’d see fighting along side you on that one. But every attempt to even address the issue is met with panic and outrage.

    It seems like the left treats the president’s position as the starting point for compromise and anything short of that is an attack on women and specifically abortion rights as applied to women. People can’t even balk at paying for Sandra Fluke’s contraceptives. They might hurt somebody’s feelings.

    I don’t get that.

  405. #502 Joe and Jose.

    I know Joe. He’s not a bad guy.

    I know Jose too. He’s not a bad guy either. And I’m really at loss to explain to him why it’s so hard for him to become a US citizen. Can anyone give me a hand? No kidding. Assuming he’s not a criminal in the first place.

    Take the DHS and the TSA and a few other useless agencies and see if ICE can manage them into doing something useful and help the “good” immigrants in and the “bad” immigrants out.

    PS…good and bad are used for expediency and refer just to criminal activity.

  406. Poolman, “We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.”

    One can correctly assume someone wit OWS made this comment, but Adloph Hitler said in 1927. He later said Socialism was an unfortunate choice of words, but he didn’t correct the rest of his statement.

    Nazis also supported animal rights and profit sharing.

    Your teachers taught you wrong. Nazis were not an extreme right wing movement, though they were anti communists. That in our leftist educators would wrongly make put them on the extreme right because because many educators were sympathetic to communists.

    Another fact that they igonor is that Planned Parenthood began as a euginics movement to rid the country of inferior blacks.

  407. at PF
    My earlier ramble was really just trying to get across the following point. Just because you like numbers and facts and stuff you can see does not invalidate those who have convictions and beliefs based on things you can’t see.
    As for 521 I found this part kinda torpedoing your point.
    Do what they do in Europe… There is an envisioned ideal that Europe allegedly has going for it. Americans of a certain stripe are all in2 it. Those folks need to spend time in the UK & Ireland as well as parts of Italy. Perhaps the Scandics are a little better off,I don’t know. Bottom line I think you got a bad example set in your head.

  408. I don’t watch a lot of TV, but last night the wife and I sat down and watched a little PBS. She used to watch every night and especially enjoyed the Friday evening lineup.

    I really didn’t recognize it between the commercials and the obvious censorship that was on display. Unless you turn the damn thing off and seek other sources of information, you are doomed to group think. Even the McLaughlin Group, one I formerly enjoyed, has the same taint.

    Rutherford, you had mentioned the conspiracy mindset as some kind of detriment, clouding every area of discovery. I agree it does affect all thought processes. But it isn’t like a cloud that hinders vision. Its like wearing 3D glasses in a 3D movie where others aren’t. The more I discover, the easier it is to piece this puzzle together.

  409. Muffy, I know both Joes well. many of the illegal family have the work ethic and values we need. However, my Korean relatives do too. They became citizens the hard way, while Joe Illegal jumped to the head of the line.

    I support some sort of amnesty or work permits to let them stay legally but as illegals they are economic parasites, and they take jobs from Joe Legal. . We also need to control our borders and regulate the number of people entering our country as Mexico and Canada do.

  410. I think Americans would do well to get some focus on the folks here that use illegals. Use is a perfect word for it too. There is zero reason to believe employers are not using illegal labor for financial benefits and that the workers are viewed as lesser beings.

  411. Muffy, it just seems to me that we have reached a impasse here. Some of us say, it is the woman’s right to terminate her pregnancy and others go far as to say it is murder. That is definitely a crime of the first order, so that might be going too far. If abortion was criminalized, would it be a felony or a misdemeanor? We are a country of laws, so if it is deemed a crime, there has to be a penalty not just for the doctor, but also for the woman. Wouldn’t they be equally guilty? I don’t know the answers to my questions, because as you all know, I favor the woman’s right to choose, so I think the answers to my question (s) can only come from those who oppose Roe V Wade.

  412. Sorry James. You’re revisionist side is showing…

    National Socialism (common English short form Nazism, German: Nationalsozialismus) was the ideology of the Nazi Party and Nazi Germany.[1][2][3][4] It is a variety of fascism that incorporates biological racism and antisemitism.[5] Nazism used elements of the far-right racist Völkisch German nationalist movement and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture which fought against the communists in post-World War I Germany. [6] It was designed to draw workers away from communism and into Völkisch nationalism.[7] Major elements of Nazism have been described as far-right[weasel words], such as allowing domination of society by people deemed racially superior, while purging society of people declared inferior.[8]

    Nazism claimed that the so-called Aryan master race was superior to all other races.[9] To maintain what it regarded as the purity and strength of the Aryan race, the Nazis sought to ethnically cleanse Jews and Romani, and exterminate the physically and mentally disabled.[10] Other groups deemed “degenerate” or “asocial” received exclusionary treatment by the Nazi state and included homosexuals, blacks, Jehovah’s Witnesses and political opponents.[10] The Nazis promoted German territorial expansionism to gain Lebensraum (“living space”) for German settlers.[11] Nazism rejected democracy because it believed Jews used it for their self-preservation.[12]

    Nazi Führer Adolf Hitler had objected to the party’s previous leader’s decision to use the word “Socialist” in its name as Hitler at the time instead preferred to use “Social Revolutionary”.[13] Upon taking over the leadership, Hitler kept the term but defined “socialism” as meaning a commitment of an individual to a community.[13] Hitler also claimed that unconditional equality of opportunity for all “racially sound” Aryan males was the essence of the “Socialism” of “National Socialism”.[14] Initially, Nazi political strategy used anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric.[15] This was downplayed in the 1930s to gain the support of industrial owners, and it shifted more to anti-Semitic and anti-Marxist themes.[15] Nazism favoured private property, freedom of contract, and promoted the creation of national solidarity that would transcend class differences.[16][17] The Nazis outlawed strikes by employees and lockouts by employers, because these were regarded a threat to national unity.[18] Instead, the state controlled and approved wage and salary levels.[19]

    [emphasis mine]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

  413. @546. Exactly. That is part of the double standard. Business, or corporate America, can get away with it as long as the PTB profit by it.

    There has been a big crackdown in Arizona over the years and the area that only gets a slap on the wrist is business. I know many Hispanics that have become American citizens, but many more who have been trying to for years. It is an unfair system with many abuses. Like much of how America operates, it is often who you know.

  414. A question for all please….
    If you shoot or stab or otherwise do bodily harm to a pregnant woman,say in the first trimester,what are the charges for the following:
    woman injured/fetus unharmed
    woman seriouslyinjured/fetus seriously injured
    woman alive/fetus dead due to wounds as opposed to maternal trauma
    both dead

  415. Alfie, I am not sure about this and don’t have time to look it up, just relying on my memory, but there was no murder charge added for death of the fetus in the Aurora, Co shooting. I don’t recall the particulars, I think the woman survived and is/was in a coma. How far along in her pregnancy she was, I don’t remember, but this information should be in the news reports. We have a couple of attorneys here, don’t we? They should be able to give us a clear answer to your question.

  416. I didn’t say the Nazis were far left. They were not far right.

    Their claim to be the master race was more left than right. Progressives supported eugenics.

    Yes, Nazis supported conservative concepts too, but being anti communist did not mark one as extreme right. Liberals also opposed communsism. LIberals were also patriotic and supported a strong national defense.

    Hiltler’s government supported nationalizating corporations and industries. The 25-point Program of the NSDAP discussed it.

    They supported expanding pensions, and the expansion of old age welfare. Nazis basically agreed with Kenynesian economic policies. They ran large debts and ran programs to reduce unemployment.

    Nazis controlled capitalism and controlled wages and prices.

    Nazis wanted unlimited power over all. individuals and corporations.

    Most of the 25 points were not implemented and conservatives voted for Hitler. One of the first groups he chose for destruction was the trade unionists and another was communists because they opposed his regime, not because he was a right winger. .

    HItlier’s economic policy was not far rightist. Hwwas uncomfortable with the term socialism, but he accepted many of its tennents. Thus, while he wasn’t an extreme leftist, Hitler was also not a product of the extreme right.

  417. Newt I’m just as if not more interested in the non-legal folks take on it. For example here in Boston there was a case on the subway where a woman who was @ 8.5 months was shot the bullet killed the baby.
    Where is the line? Is it only a line if the woman chooses it?

  418. People in our area have been charged with murder or manslaughter after a pregnant woman and unborn baby have died. Why not in Aurora? That is a good question.

  419. My non-legal take on it is we are using a double standard. why is it fine to abort a baby with planning and forethought, but if an accident or crime kills the fetus someone is punished?

    Do we first determine if the mother intended to abort the dead baby, and punish the evil doer with a double crime only if the mother wanted to keep the baby?

    I think the standard should apply to all, no double punishment.

  420. The wiki article is biased,dishonest and little sloppy imo. The Nazi’s were a lot of things but they were definitely not right wing in the sense we use today.
    I’ve always tried to make the point that the political spectrum isn’t linear but spherical. It doesn’t matter which direction you head off in the ultimate end point is totalitarianism.
    That said I don’t think I buy the NSDAP as having headed right. I think James is correct that they headed left. Their actions are in the extremes but clearly more in line with leftist socialism than the false specter of rightist ideologies. This brings us to the final stroke. Fascism isn’t right or left,it is simply totalitarianism

  421. Thank you James. Seriously I’m not trying to get all gotcha on anyone or their views. Even if you don’t share but answer to yourself I think it’ll enlightening.

  422. Eugenics isn’t far right or far left ideology. Nazi Germany was a definite turn right. Read the wiki article and debate its merit. It agrees with other sources I have read on the basics.

    At the ground level, it’s all about control. Humans controlling other humans. Power and gain.

    That is why I have really found myself becoming more libertarian as time goes on. I’d rather retain more responsibility for myself and my family. Governments always get out of hand and repressive. Name one that hasn’t.

  423. I can see the political spectrum as circular rather than linear. I can’t visualize it as spherical. Individuals project that way, but not ideologies. To me, anyway. Absolutes do not vary over time but the words we use to describe them do tend to drift. Much is indoctrination, what I call MANipulation™, because I think there are planners behind every event. Sometimes subtle nudges are all they use. Sometimes its a catastrophic event. And they never let a crisis go to waste. The end goal is still ultimately control.

  424. Question as asked and under current law –

    In the first trimester:

    woman injured/fetus unharmed – assault or attempted murder/no charges

    woman seriouslyinjured/fetus seriously injured – assault or attempted murder/no charges

    woman alive/fetus dead due to wounds as opposed to maternal trauma – assault or attempted murder/no charges

    both dead – murder/no charges

  425. @#547 Newt, I’ll grant that this is probably full of holes but I’ll do my best with what you’ve thrown out there.

    As I said earlier in the thread or maybe the one before – my POV is that abortion is the taking of a human life. Similar to capital punishment and in times of war.

    Treat the doctors as we ought to treat the employers referenced in #546. Again, no penalty for the woman. Maybe rehab (heavy on the education) if we can manage such a program. I wouldn’t mind my taxes going toward such a program. I’d probably even add it to charitable contributions – and guess who else probably would?

    As for Roe v Wade – in the roughly 35 years since how many times has majority rule taken the opportunity to overturn it?

  426. It goes without saying (I hope) that I am not an absolutionist. I’m also in favor moving the first trimester line to half that.

  427. “We have a couple of attorneys here, don’t we?”

    I beleive the answer turns on whether the fetus was viable as determined under state law.

    Pop Quiz. Who here knows what happens to abortion rights if Roe v. Wade were overturned and anti-abortion statutes deemed constitutional?

  428. Woot! I had a few extra lines in #561 about that very thing but I was in a hurry and having trouble saying what I wanted to so I just wiped them out. Also, #562 is a mess. That should read “absolutist” and that I favor moving the line from 12 to 6 weeks (for following the guidelines currently applicable to the first trimester).

    The other thing I erased was that I thank God for the absolutists and hope that they keep fighting and never win. They provide a balance to the spectrum, IMO. I wasn’t sure I could articulate that well enough. I’m still not sure that I did.

    LOL @ Noah.

  429. Thank for your comments Alfie and for the reasoning which I agree with.

    I’m, also sorry Neil Armstrong died.

    Two inches of rain fell today. That is more than fell on us after June 23. its too late for the corn, but soy beans and garden crops will be able to cope with our next bout of hot dry weather.

  430. So in some states abortion will remain legal or others illegal; different penalties would apply according to the state’s law. And probably the same number of abortions, perhaps even more, if some states also outlaw morning after pills and certain types of birth control.

  431. Just because you like numbers and facts and stuff you can see does not invalidate those who have convictions and beliefs based on things you can’t see- Alfie

    Alfie, carry this concept (which is by the way well stated) over to your question regarding a pregnant woman. Numbers and facts state there are two entities whereas someone else’s convictions and beliefs lend towards one entity if one believes a fetus cannot live without the connection to the host, the Mother. The two entities theory can be supported by the belief that with modern neonatal care the fetus can reach term without the host.

    The orange is only an orange in the eye of the beholder.

  432. Who would have guessed.
    (A) Late on his assignment.
    (B) No explanation.
    (C) No accountability.
    I’ll keep my prediction at 508. If he happens to author a piece of work, I think we have been set up for how it will play out. He will give us what he “feels” would work, and things like facts and figures will only get in the way of his grand design. It most certainly won’t stand up to any form of scrutiny. More to the point, he won’t stand up to any scrutiny, not honestly anyway.

  433. “Alfie, carry this concept (which is by the way well stated) over to your question regarding a pregnant woman. Numbers and facts state there are two entities whereas someone else’s convictions and beliefs lend towards one entity if one believes a fetus cannot live without the connection to the host, the Mother. The two entities theory can be supported by the belief that with modern neonatal care the fetus can reach term without the host.”

    Carry, indeed. Your finger cannot live without a connection to its host. However, with modern medicine and perfusion techniques, it can live a very long time separated. Does that make a surgeon who amputates that finger a murderer?

    Not as far-fetched as you might think. It seems to me the argument is entirely the same, because until the question is answered as to why a fetus is something special, the issue will never be resolved. A fetus carries all the DNA for building a person; so does the finger; it’s just a matter of technology to grow a child from either, both within a “mother” or without.

    Why is a fetus special? To my mind, it isn’t – at least not at first. It BECOMES more special day after day until, at birth, it is VERY special. So when do you arbitrarily decide it is special enough to have rights? (And that date IS arbitrary)

    Surprise! Roe v. Wade has already done that for you.

    **********************

    The argument revolves around “personhood,” doesn’t it? One side believes one way; the other believes another way. The problem, however, is that the party-of-the-second part is not willing to let the party-of-the-first-part follow their own consciences and feels compelled to impose THEIR conscience on them.

  434. Not sure if I have said it here before but in my mind we determine a person dead when their is no brain activity. My understanding they can detect the first signs of brain activity around the 3rd month. This would be my compromise. Women’s choice till the 3rd month. Baby from that point forward has rights protected by the rule of law. If a line has to be drawn, that is where I would draw it.

  435. Of course we do. You claim the day of birth is very special. So, I take it you would start imposing your conscious if someone was harming the baby. (I hope so). You probably would feel duty bound. The fact is, I find your argument for why the baby is “very” special on the birthday and only kind of special (if that) a few months back to be weak. Thus, I feel compelled the same way you would on day 1. What other choice do I have?

  436. In fact, and I’m not being snarky, Pfessor, I’m curious why you think the birth of a child special in the first place. I would love for you to draw me a Venn diagram, the first circle the baby in the womb at 5 months pregnant, the second the same baby on it’s day of birth. What is in the far right space that makes you so sure that killing a baby in the womb is something I should not object to?

  437. Date of birth is an arbitrary date, like all the others, but very easy to identify. I think you demonstrate perfectly what I think is the crux of the problem: Westerners’ gross discomfort with continua and their crushing desire to set arbitrary, but very important, milestones. In general, Easterners are much more comfortable with these kinds of analogies.

    See if this makes any sense:

    On day one the “fetus” is a cell. One cell, nothing more – in most ways just like any cell you would scrape off your arm.

    On day one, a house is just a blueprint, like any other. The eventual owners of the house would be sad if their blueprints were lost, but not very much.

    Every day, the mom supplies nutrients that are assembled according to the blueprints in that original cell. Every day the house takes on more building materials and becomes more of a house. Each day the embryo becomes more valuable and more of a sad thing if lost; ditto the house.

    One day the mom will deliver a baby. Is it suddenly infinitely valuable, with no value prior? No, only a little more valuable than the day before. And THAT day it was more valuable than the day before that. If you want to extend the argument, you could say it keeps becoming more valuable even after it is born, as it takes on a personality and becomes increasingly part of the family. Birth? Just a convenient, easy to determine, milestone.

    One day the carpenters will step away and present a house to the owners. At this point they would be VERY sad to lose the house. At birth, you will find NO dissenters who would say it does not deserve protection under the law.

    The problem is that it is like Mason said to Dixon: you have to draw the line somewhere. Roe v. Wade did that, with everyone realizing that the dates were arbitrary.

    There are things that are not black and white; in fact, MOST things are that way. If you take the absolutist position you will drive yourself crazy; some things do not yield to that kind of thinking.

    I gotta learn to be more brief…

  438. A finger has no potential. A finger can never be self aware. A finger is not alive, it is a part of a thing that is alive. While you are looking for that thing that makes it special, I would ask you; because at some point you consider it to be special, at what point does that occur for you? Is it geography? In mom, out of mom? Is it a heart beat?

    I think making it a requirement to be able to answer this is nothing more than holding onto an idea that you are not killing a child. To give yourself that peace of mind that you have not harmed an innocent life by taking away its identity of being a living being. By setting these conditions you give yourself that out.

    I think it is rather obvious it is an argument without an answer, and that is why its being made. It sets a criteria that cannot be met thus protecting those on the other side from having to make a valid case. The creation of life is a process. Potential is enough. If the only thing preventing that process from coming to fruition is human intervention, then I think it is a clear case of murder, or more diplomatically, willful termination of a life

  439. I just don’t understand, how ‘if’ you consider the embryo a person the moment the sperm joins the egg, why you would not charge the mother and/or the father, who sought the abortion with murder. They are as much participants in an abortion as the doctor. It really does depend on the meaning of ‘if’. I concede to pfesser on this subject.
    Poor gorilla, it is like looking in the mirror isn’t it? Sorry, but you can change yourself, but you cannot change facts.

  440. why you would not charge the mother and/or the father, who sought the abortion with murder.

    Not sure why your making a point of it, but if we were to follow your logic, the person doing the deed is the murderer, and those participating are accomplices.

  441. The Presidential race is boiling down to one dominant issue: which party’s policies will do more to help the financially stressed American middle class. President Obama’s campaign theme is that Mitt Romney and the Republicans cater to the rich, while Mr. Obama cares about struggling families.

    He may care, but he sure hasn’t done much for them. New income data from the Census Bureau, tabulated by former Census income specialists at the nonpartisan economic consulting firm Sentier Research, reveal that the three-and-a-half years of the Obama Presidency have done enormous harm to middle-class households.

    In January 2009, the month President Obama entered the Oval Office and shortly before he signed his stimulus spending bill, median household income was $54,983. By June 2012, it had tumbled to $50,964, adjusted for inflation. (See the chart nearby.) That’s $4,019 in lost real income, a little less than a month’s income every year

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303822204577468750027784434.html

  442. Rutherford
    Should you come out of hiding anytime soon, I would like you to listen to this video. I understand you are limited by your inability to get past who is delivering the message, but take 7 minutes and watch this. I want your first impression without giving mine to taint your answer. Try to avoid simplistic answers and one liners. There is a very real message here, a couple actually. I want to see if you are able to see it and articulate a complete response.

  443. Who would have guessed.
    (A) Late on his assignment.
    (B) No