America is Not a Corporation

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This morning on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe”, the panelists scratched their heads about why Mitt Romney never seems prepared to answer questions. The case in point was an appearance in Florida yesterday when during an impromptu press conference Romney was asked how his budget differed from that of his running mate Paul Ryan. His answer waffled all over the place from a deflection to Obama’s poor economic record all the way to confessing he and Ryan hadn’t done a point by point comparison of their plans yet.

The question on the “Morning Joe” table was why, with adequate prep time, was Romney’s answer so inadequate? Mind you, this is not the first time this has happened. Romney has essentially been running for President for the past 7 years and has had more than enough time to shield himself from attacks about his finances. Despite that, his tax returns are still under wraps and his legal but still bad-politics off shore accounts are in full swing. Jon Meacham, a Random House executive editor, offered the following theory:

Is it possible that the culture of Romneyland is so managerial that they make decisions in a kind of clinical PowerPoint way and that’s their reality and to deviate is to somehow go off mission critical work? … But you would think new incoming data would require adapting to circumstances.

BINGO! Jon’s question did not get near the air time it deserved. It is indeed very possible that the Romney campaign is run with a corporate mindset. Jon’s assumption that new data would require adaptation ignores a persistent truth about big corporate America. In a big corporation, an executive makes a decision, often for purely personal or political reasons. His workers, separated from him by several levels of management tell him as politely as possible that his decision cannot be executed on time, under budget … or in any way at all. This new “data” gets lost in translation as it travels up the corporate ladder from worker to ultimate decision maker. More effort is made in confirming the executive’s idea than in realistically evaluating it. The result is that workers are told “just get it done”. Deadlines are missed. Budgets are blown. Workers are blamed even though they told the higher-ups from the get-go that the “idea” could not be executed as originally requested.

This is de rigueur at a big corporation. I lived it for almost twenty-five years. I observe it today through friends who work in the corporate world. A country cannot afford to be run this way. Jon Meacham inadvertently stumbled upon the folly of believing that all this country needs is a business man to right the ship. If Meacham is right about what ails the Romney campaign, and I think he may be, then that does not bode well for the Romney White House.

The United States of America is not a corporation and it cannot be run via PowerPoint.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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1,087 thoughts on “America is Not a Corporation

  1. Interesting barb at Romeny. Do you think Bane and hedgefunds suffer the klunky bull shit that big corporations do? Bane made bank. I always pictured it being rum differently then say, a rental car corporation or even Cisco. We’re not talking about some old school company that manufacturers steady, established product. We’re talking a bad ass outside of the bpx investment firm about 500 strong.

  2. At first glance, it seems a CEO should be the perfect match for the Presidency. At the top, in control. The problem is, there is no job like the Presidency. Tremendous power but also tremendous restraint. Checks and balances. Congress.

    Imagine a CEO that had to run their ideas past a B. of D. who viewed there number one job as being to make the CEO fail? Kind of a fucked up way to run a business.

    As for being surrounded by “yes” men. Mitt will fit right in in DC.

  3. The United States of America is not a corporation and it cannot be run via PowerPoint.

    No, but THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, is, and holds ownership of The DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA.

    They just happen to run the rest of us when we agree to participate in their massive deception.

  4. Apparently he’s still running for Congress too. WTF?

    Of course. He isn’t ready to retire. He’ll need the job. 🙂

  5. pool-dude:

    I don’t know if this video has been brought up before, but it sums up the duplicity of this administration quite well.

    We have all been living in a fantasy world, but unfortunately, at the end of the day, the numbers have to add up. Nobody wants to deny anybody anything, but it has to be paid for. Just saying “we can’t cut THAT!”, hiding expenditures, overstating income, and hoping it all works out – which is what the Dems AND ReBiblicans have been doing – is not a plan.

    At some point, somebody is going to have to be the adult and say, look we can’t pay for all this. The chickens WILL come home to roost; how severe the consequences are depends entirely on what we do ahead of time. WINTER IS COMING. If we don’t address our Congress’ fiscal irresponsibility, we are going to have a disaster on our hands that makes the Great Depression look like a weekend lark. Mark my words.

    But, enough about the only man who has been beating this drum for thirty years – Ron Paul…

  6. I used to find it mildly amusing here, that in order to cover for what has clearly been a disaster the last four years by any measurement and any means, Rutherford would deflect away from what should be the central truth of our daily political discussion – Obama’s miserable record and exactly what and how Obama proposes to change course to right the sinking ship. But that never happens here. In fact, it never happens on any liberal blog.

    In fact, Rutherford walks lockstep with our main stream media, providing a liberal flavor of speculation and conjecture of how Romney will fail us – never based on Romney’s record of clear personal achievement or even what has been lined out and called the ‘Romney Plan’ which I provided for Rutherford’s convenience – a convenience Rutherford has chosen to ignore.

    If we were having a discussion of the theme of Romney’s plan and its shortcomings, I might be willing to engage in some serious discussion of the pros and cons of Romney’s initiative and what our opponents perceived as its weaknesses. But that apparently is too difficult to engage, and it presupposes that Obama has a new strategy or paradigm, as it apparent the plan of 2008 to spend our way to prosperity has failed. So far, all we’ve heard from our Dimocratic opponents is more platitudes, more calls for fear and loathing of another Republican opponent, more insults, and more scare tactics.

    So I ask a very simple question. Why should any of us clear minded and not hoodwinked by the Cult of Obama four years ago, lend any credibility now to the men and women who call for the support of Obama, because as has been outlined here time and again, 70% of the country realizes we are on the wrong path as a nation and in four long years, the best that can be said is little has changed besides higher unemployment, more debt, and more doubt about America’s future for our children. That’s not speculation but fact. The results of the first Obama regime are in and they are egregious.

    So why should I not feel lied to, not by simply Obama and his administration but the millions of stooges that promised us hope and change four years ago, predisposed to chants of “we are the generation we have been waiting for?” I don’t think it has been so long that any of us could forget the throngs of adoring fans including our blog host, bowing before their new found king in football stadiums and crying on their couches. Once upon a time here on this blog, we were greeted every Saturday morning with Obama’s fireside chats to appreciate just how great this new found messiah really was.

    Which leads to my second very simple question. What is Obama’s plan to correct America’s course? On the campaign trail for several months now, I have heard absolutely nothing in the way of any plan by any Dimocrat affiliated with the Obama Administration.

  7. In any good corporation, which Rutherford obviously never worked the money making side of a good corporation, there used to be something called a post audit.

    And the post audit evaluates not only the rate of return of the capital investment once implemented, but evaluates the series of assumptions made to reach the “to go” decision. The purpose of the audit is not to blame assess, but in theory to improve upon both the assumptions used in the decision making process so that previous errors can be alleviated and/or avoided from future use. If you think about it, this is how improvement should be facilitated.

    Now might be a good time to post audit the Obama Administration and decipher its successes vs. its failures.

    I would remind the critics of our “corporations” here, that those same inept corporations both large and small are the same inept corporations that have provided virtually all of us our livelihood.

    I’ll start with submission of evidence #1 – our debt which I noticed my pal Pfesser also has correctly addressed this morning as perhaps our nation’s most burdensome problem:

    If 4 trillion of additional debt in eight years is unpatriotic, what is $5.5 trillion of additional debt in 45 months?

    Criminal?

  8. The Course of Obama’s Plan (post audit) – borrowed from the ‘International Man – After the Storm’

    The first three have already occurred.

    Stages of The Crash

    1 INITIAL CRASHES

    Crash of the residential property market
    Crash of the commercial property market
    Crash of the stock market

    2 INITIAL KNOCK-ON EFFECTS OF CRASHES

    Loss of homes
    Loss of jobs
    Inflation

    3 IMMEDIATE ACTIONS BY GOVERNMENT

    Bailouts for select groups
    Dramatic increase of debt
    Politicians going in the opposite direction of a real solution

    The first knee-jerk reaction began immediately, with the Government attempting to “make the problem go away” as quickly as possible. Almost invariably, at this stage, the corrective strategy is hastily prepared and shortsighted, assuring further deterioration of the economy.

    In this stage, the politicians on both sides fail to focus on a real solution. Instead, their primary focuses are, first, to avoid a painful real solution, and, second, to engage in finger-pointing, each political party blaming the other for the problem. The problem worsens steadily until one of the next series of major dominoes falls. This is usually sudden and triggers the toppling of other dominoes.

    4 SECOND WAVE OF CRASHES

    Major crash in stock market
    Currency plummets
    Increased bankruptcies
    Increased unemployment

    5 INTERNATIONAL TRADING PARTNERS REACT

    Foreign countries refuse to accept more debt
    Foreign trade slows dramatically

    At this point, the Government introduces dramatic change, such as ill-conceived protectionism, which backfires almost immediately.

    6 GOVERNMENT INSTITUTES DESPERATE SELF-DESTRUCTIVE MEASURES

    Defaults on debt
    Restrictive tariffs on imports
    Currency controls

    7 ECONOMY REACTS IN LOCKSTEP TO GOVERNMENT ACTIONS

    Hyperinflation – dramatic increase in food and fuel costs
    Massive unemployment
    Extensive foreclosures
    Extensive bankruptcies

    At this point, the dominoes are tumbling quickly, and a rapid unraveling of control is about to take place.

    8 SYSTEMIC COLLAPSE

    Bank closures
    Extensive homelessness
    Food and fuel shortages
    Electric power becomes sporadic, blackouts common

    As these factors unravel, the public mood turns to a combination of blind fear and anger.

    9 SOCIAL COLLAPSE

    Crime rises dramatically (particularly street crime)
    Food riots
    Tax revolts
    Squatters’ rebellions

    10 MARTIAL LAW

    Creation of special army to address “domestic terrorism”
    Random killings become commonplace

    At first, the authorities focus mostly on violent subjugation and arrests; then, as prisons quickly become hopelessly overcrowded, camps become the norm. Soon, these too become unmanageable, particularly as a result of high cost of food and manpower. At that point, the solution turns to the killing of anyone who is suspected of a crime and, more frequently, anyone who is not submissive. (This will not resemble the Gestapo of the late 1930’s. It will be less organized and more chaotic.)

    11 REVOLUTION

    If revolution is to occur, it will happen at this point. Many people will feel that they have nothing to lose, and anger will be at its peak. If revolution does take place, it will not be an organized movement as such. It will be spontaneous, and breakouts will manifest themselves like popcorn popping, largely at random, with ever-increasing frequency. At some point, it may possibly evolve into something more organized.

  9. R, for someone who has never worked for the federal government, you sure think you know how it works. You think any Senior Executive – let alone POTUS – makes a decision before MULTIPLE presentations and briefings? It is exceedingly slow. Obama is surrounded by yes men. Geitner, Holder, Napalotano, Clinton – they’re obviously all yes men to him.

    How much specifics did we get from Obama when he ran? NONE, but now you’re upset because you don’t have enough specifics from Romney. Hey genius, what’s Obama’s plan now, or are you just the hatchet man too?

    If Romney’s private sector experience is any example, he will be a tremendous leader that will do a significant job in righting the ship from the catastrophe of the Obama years. I’m not sure you’re being honest with yourself, but this IS going down as the worst Administration in modern era. Hands down, no doubt.

  10. We should run this country more like a corporation than a mafia gang. Obviously, profit is secondary to providing for the general welfare etc, but have you not paid attention these past few years. The present model has not worked in Europe, and it is failing here.

    Obama care is robbing money from old people, and that is a fact.

    This regime tries to hide its failures behind race baiting and obfuscation.

    As Romney said “Mr. President, take your campaign of division and anger and hate back to Chicago and let us get about rebuilding and reuniting America.

  11. Yesterday, my wife and I attended the Iowa State Fair and recieved an award for our century farm. Scores of farmers were so honored, and the moderator made a heroic effort to correctly pronounce the mostly German and Scandinavian names.

    We saw the butter cow, and the world’s largest chocolate mouse but we missed politicians. Romney, I believe, spoke the day before. Several hecklers were escorted away. A reporter interviewed them, and they proved to be as ignorant as many such people are.

    If this government was run like a corporation, they would be collecting unemployment checks.

  12. So apparently Michelle My-Bell Kardashian wrote an article in ’88 at Harvard calling for more women and minorities be hired based on sex and skin color. She said hiring based on merit and pedigree would exclude certain styles. Mind you, she’s at HARVARD, where she’s going to rely on he pedigree (she apparently has no merit, from what I’ve heard she’s a horrible lawyer). The Daily Caller mentioned that she doesn’t much like the Socratic method, which explains OH SO MUCH.

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/15/in-harvard-essay-young-michelle-obama-argued-for-race-based-faculty-hiring/

  13. They are also race baitors as Joe Biden illustratated this weekend. Our computer was not working, so I missed the Ryan myths.

    They all do it. Obama is a mythological character, and Joe Biden is not the middle class man he claims to be.

  14. I think Rabbit makes a valid point in the opening comment of the thread. If I ever wind up working for someone else again, I’d want the company to be lean and agile where collaborative work, not top down edicts, decide how things get done. It is indeed possible that Bane was lean and mean. But Bane didn’t exist in a vacuum. It always existed in relation to whatever company they were bailing out … and that means they probably suffered from the by-products of that company’s bureaucracy.

  15. Rut-roh Raggy…

    For the first time since he began running for president, Republican Mitt Romney has the support of over 40 percent of America’s youth vote, a troubling sign for President Obama who built his 2008 victory with the overwhelming support of younger, idealistic voters.

    Pollster John Zogby of JZ Analytics told Secrets Tuesday that Romney received 41 percent in his weekend poll of 1,117 likely voters, for the first time crossing the 40 percent mark. What’s more, he said that Romney is the only Republican of those who competed in the primaries to score so high among 18-29 year olds.

  16. LOL I won’t listen long but I’m listening to Chris Plante and I’m already chuckling. Chuck Todd is a liberal shill? Frankly, I’ve always suspected Todd is a closet conservative. He certainly doesn’t breathe fire and he is an expert on voting demographics. I’ve always found him to be impartial. But it’s clear that Plante wants to smear anyone not in the conservative tank.

  17. Ahhhh, but that is the difference. Talk radio is profitable, whereas your liberal media is not. Why? Supply and demand.

    By the by, Chris pointed out that Todd worked for Harkin. Now, you guys were blasting Ryan because of his interning, why would this not apply?

  18. Imagine a CEO that had to run their ideas past a B. of D. who viewed there number one job as being to make the CEO fail?

    When Mitch “The Turtle” McConnell declared that making Obama a one term POTUS was his number one job he should have been so thoroughly condemned in the press that resignation would have been the only option. It bordered on treason.

  19. I think Rutherford is right. What we really need are career politicians, community organizers, ineffective/non-practicing lawyers to run the country. Such success. 🙄

    Frankly, this line of criticism is hollow. It’s about time the bottom line mattered and meritocracy valued.

    R, do you have any idea at all why Obama’s failure to offer a plan makes all of the lame attacks on Romney/Ryan so ineffective?

    Do you have any idea why Obama isn’t and can’t respond to “you didn’t build that” yet?

    The problem is that to sell Obama you need a record or a plan. You’ve got neither and that is so apparent I wonder when you’ll drop the MSNBC-grade rock throwing and ad hominem attacks. The silence is deafening.

    When you wanted Hope & Change in 2008 did you see yourself writing a post that by implication exalts the experience of career politicians and insiders that “know the system?”

    Let us know when you’re told what Obama’s plan is. We’re waiting. . .

  20. OH NO HE DIDN’T!!!!! Chris Plante just says “macaca” by way of demonstrating unfair judgment of GOP politicians …. does he not know Mr. Macaca is running for Senate in Virginia? His career is far from over.

    LOL … sounds like Chris is getting his first black liberal caller and poor Chris is losing his mind.

    Oh my poor friend Gorilla …. is this the crap you fill your head with on a regular basis?

    This is the scary part of listening to right wing radio …. Plante and Maddow live not just on two different planets but in two different galaxies. How will this country ever get beyond gridlock? Holy sheeeeeut.

    Sounds like the “black only” hour is coming to an end so I’m turning it off and turning on …. wait for it ….

    Morning Joe

    My mind needs a wash. I feel so dirty. 🙂

  21. Bain was called in like The Wolf was in Pulp Fiction. I imagine they sometimes lanced the very corporate cluster fuck that you imagine retards Romney’s descision making. I could make the case that Romney’s background is the antitheses to your accusation. I will say this. This deflection seems at least creative. Dude, you have a lot of deflecting to do. It’s only August. You are never going to make it!

  22. Chuck Todd a closet conservative? Please introduce me to your dealer.

    Yeah, I about choked on that one too. Just as I’ve always suspected Rush Limbaugh a closet liberal. 🙄

    And we wonder why Obama’s record of failure is never broached here? How in the world do you debate with these people when they are so completely non objective, so misinformed, and so unreasonable?

    Try this again. We can start simple.

    So what’s Obama’s plan to move us forward, “R”? We’re not hearing much on the campaign trail of what Barack has in store for America. We’re hearing a lot of criticism of Romney, but nothing about a plan of Obama action?

  23. R, what the hell does Macaca mean? I never heard of the term until you needed a racial club to beat Allen with.

    As for Plante, like I said, he’s inflammatory, but the caller had no point. The caller claimed that it was Plante who brought race into the Zimmerman debate, and of course we both know that is abject bullshit. You’ll notice that when liberals call, they fillibuster the call by never shutting up. See it all the time.

    Plante actually not my favorite, I do like Rush though. I’d say listen to Rush, who comes on in a couple hours. Listen to the whole show. Actually, you won’t hear Rush today, he’s out the rest of the week, but his guest hosts are usually OK.

    Next week, listen to Rush – the entire show – and tell me what you think.

  24. Gentlemen, for some reason yesterday, I had this feeling in my gut that the worm has turned…

    There’s still a lot of days left and I know a lot can happen, but I can’t help but get this feeling the groundswell is beginning to build and America has reengaged from her slumber of 2008.

  25. Let’s get somebody in there fit to lead the country. Otherwise, America will look like Chicago – broke, corrupt and filthy.

    Obama is a sick joke labeled as leader and not fit to lead a community, much less the country. Joe Biden is simply stupid and vile – the Joy Behar of Vice Presidents. Jumbled Joe makes Al Gore seem reasoned and intelligent.

    I hope our country has learned a lesson that celebrity doesn’t cut it for leadership. Now we need to get rid of about 10-15 useless crooks known as Dim Senators, and we might be able to turn this ship around.

    We’re going to have to deal with some of these feckless blue states soon as they’re going to come looking for a handout after running their state into the ground including Illinois and California.

  26. Tex, I’ve had that feeling too but for much longer. It’s kind of like that eerie feeling right before the tornado warnings go off. The air is still, the sky turning green, the birds stop chirping. . . and R is inside watching Morning Joe with the sound turned up so high he can;t hear the sirens, completely oblivious to what is going on outside of his living room. 😆

  27. Is it me, or do the Dems not like people who actually try stuff. Try to make some money, your evil and kill women with cancer. Try to put forward a nuts and bolts budget, your evil and want to kill grandma. Its an odd world. The more you roll your sleeves up, the more its counted against you. The Dems like these blank canvass liberals with no resume becuase that’s exactly how they want the government to move forward. No accountability. No stopping it. Print if you have to. Coast this ghost ship in to the port of death so that every baby boomer and union give worker can feed until the last drop of blood is gone. Then let the ship sink. It’s unconscionable to vote a president in for a second term who doesn’t have a budget when you look at the debt clock. I’ll take flawed mothertuckers who actually give things the old college try over deflecting pussies who do nothing blame, extend and pretend. Oh, and lie. Of course it was a tax….

  28. DR, it isn’t about success, just getting their claws into your life. Once they get a toe in, it never gets out.

    Dems remind me of that ORCON ad when the cockroach is trying to get into the house. THAT would be an AWESOME Romney ad!!! 🙂

  29. My phone got a major update from android. Its harder to see the things I type. My typo rate, worse then Adam Dunn’s error rate in the outfield, is about to go up.

  30. (CNN) – A former four-term Democratic congressman from Alabama and one time strong supporter of President Barack Obama will campaign for Mitt Romney Wednesday.

    A Romney campaign aide confirms to CNN that Artur Davis will stump for the presumptive Republican presidential nominee in the battleground state of Virginia.

  31. Rabbit, Tigre, Gorilla:

    You know what offends me about these liberals more that the lying, the propaganda, the deflection, and cover ups? More than Obama’s arrogance and incompetence, and Biden’s abject stupidity?

    It’s the fact these sorry f*cks are so narcissistic, carry such hubris that they would even dream to know what is better for me and my family than my wife and I would. Michael Bloomberg is the foulest pile of shit of them all. What we can eat? What we can drink? This SOB charges people $12.00 to cross a bridge. To a billionaire, a plug nickel. To a working stiff, it’s dinner.

    Most of these so called elitists wouldn’t know how to start a lawn mower, change a faucet, even clean up after themselves. Like Michael Corleone said to Carlo: It insults my intelligence.

    How dare these failed bastards tell us how best to live our lives. If the field were level and they weren’t bankrolled to game the system, does anyone think Joe Biden could really manage anything complex? I’ll bet Biden is so stupid, he can’t make change.

    That sorry prick can’t even manage his own kids. Get the fuck out of my life and stay out of it, you stupid bastard.

  32. Its private enterprise, Rutherford. Right wing talk radio hosts rake in the money because they sell a product people will buy. Leftists could do the same if they offered attractive personalities and content worthy of listening to.

    Mitch’s saying his goal was to make Obama a one-term president was worthy of applause. Remember I (and others) researched our president before the election and predicted what he would do. I was wrong in that Obama was worse than even I suspected. Getting rid of Obama is a prudent move.

    “unfair judgement of GOP politicians” ? Surely you jest. Democrats have perfected unfairness into an art.

    Our current president and administration are a perfect argument for running our country like a corporation. Had they been working for a corporation, they would have been fired long ago.

  33. Thor, in Ryan’s defense, I think he had to get his name on the Wisconsin ballot before he ever got the nod as VP, i.e. deadline was sometime in June. I’m quite sure he’ll be campaigning as VP, not House rep 😉 But assuming his district votes for him twice, it’s a nice fallback position.

    I may be wrong but I think Biden did the same thing in 2008 with his Senate seat.

  34. After yesterday, Romney’s tirade and adolescent whining, I am convinced Mitt does not have the disposition to Potus.

  35. ”Honestly, this is too tough a critique. G actually targeted his comment to Sandi (licking his chops for a battle) and I broke in and hogged the conversation. We didn’t have a lot of time left for Sandi to respond.”

    This is unimportant and also a holdover from the last thread, but I want to close the subject of two particular tangents with this –

    Honestly not too tough a critique. One of the basic rules of improv is to make your partner look good. That’s what you naturally try to do for Sandi. You try to give her time to gather her thoughts. She lets you down in that regard and blinks away the seconds like a doe in headlights, or so it would seem. She really is a poor deer when G calls, and I do not envy her at all. He is a threat, no question. He’s a smart guy who’s not going to take off the gloves because she’s a woman. She stepped into the ring. Her training prior to doing that is her problem. It’s live radio. Definitely not for the squeamish. It is live, is it not?

    And so when Sandi goes on and on about how bad the other guys are and one of the other guys that she has been talking about shows up and it’s live radio, well there you go.

    I haven’t seen evidence of Gorilla biting anyone’s ear off. He fights fair. He argues the issues.

    (You know, something just occurred to me about women on the battlefield, on the front lines. I’ll have to reflect on that for a while.)

    Anyway, Sandi seems like a cool chick in real life. Not a snake (like Solidad, who I’ll get to later) or a spider. Just a…I don’t know, a cute little mole. Vulnerable and squishy and blind as a bat. And you just can’t bear the thought of calling in the mole patrol, but they’re wreaking havoc in the yard. So you either give the yard over to them or fight to keep it from being dug up completely and changed into a new type of terrain entirely.

    We don’t need to argue Sandi’s chops for radio political commentary. She revealed everything after G hung up, I’m sorry to say. She in no way needs to throw in the towel, but she does need to step it up. This is a big battle we have on our hands.

    So G was talking fast, but paused frequently – almost as if allowing Sandi the split second it takes to jump in. He’s got a great feel for radio and keeps it lively. So the instant it’s clear that Sandi isn’t chomping at the bit to respond, he powers on. You owe him a thank you Rutherford. It might not help your case or help your guy but it helps your show. I expect even lefties will be attracted to the fireworks. I could be wrong.

  36. Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, comment?

    A security guard at the Family Research Council headquarters in Washington, D.C., was shot in the arm by a gunman who sources said expressed disagreement with the conservative group’s policy positions.

    The guard, who was not identified, was conscious after the shooting and was being treated. The shooting occurred in the Chinatown neighborhood Wednesday morning. The gunman was apprehended and was being questioned by the FBI, sources said.

    The suspect “made statements regarding their policies, and then opened fire with a gun striking a security guard,” a source told Fox News.

    Authorities were treating the attack as a case of domestic terrorism.

    “The police are investigating this incident,” Family Research Council President Tony Perkins said. “Our first concern is with our colleague who was shot today. Our concern is for him and his family.”

  37. or even what has been lined out and called the ‘Romney Plan’ which I provided for Rutherford’s convenience – a convenience Rutherford has chosen to ignore.

    I didn’t ignore it. In fact I told you from my initial perusal it appeared to be 50% Obama bashing and 50% platitudes. But let me quote a real conservative (whom I already know you don’t respect), Joe Scarborough … who by the way championed Newt Gingrich’s hostile takeover of the House in the 90’s and opposed Gingrich when he started to wimp out.

    Scarborough just this morning referred to Romney’s plan as “174 pages, 59 points and zero calories”. In other words, lots of verbiage signifying nothing.

    I just glanced at the 59 points again moments ago (it’s in the Appendix) and any one of my intelligent conservative friends here could have created that list. The devil is in the details which cannot be found.

    On Fox News last night Paul Ryan was asked when the “Romney budget” would balance. Ryan could not answer.

    So, again I say to you, I will vote in November on ideological principles, figure head be damned.

  38. Rutherford, you brought up a good point. Can a government be run by a CEO along the lines of a Corporation? Interesting question but we have already seen that a government can’t be run by a Community Organizer so maybe it’s time for power point presentations.

  39. So a quick word on Solidad. Visceral? Yes somewhat. Irrational? I’m not so sure about that. My reptile remark was based on viewing the second video with Solidad juxtaposed against a woman from the right trying to present her opinion. Now remember, Solidad is supposed to be playing the role of objective, hard-hitting journalist. She was subbing for Andersen Cooper on a program called 360, which is promoted as a CNN news show. That’s not Hannity or The Rachel Maddow Show.

    I watched the tape several times, finally once through just for the facial expressions and body language. That shit fascinates me, particularly microexpressions. It’s there that we pick up the non-verbal clues about what someone is really saying and/or what they are all about. (remember what I do for a living?)

    Bottom line, I want to stand with the woman on the right side of the screen. And I hate snakes. Now I think visually. If the image a woman conjures up is a snake, well, that can’t be helped. That is visceral. But my IRRATIONAL response would be to leap 7 feet in the air and come down with my heel on the snake’s head. My visceral reaction is to describe the visualization.

    Oh but Fox News Fox News! Hypocrite! Nah, and no difference. Put up the tape of the news anchor clipping the wings of the liberal representative and jumping in front of the camera to keep his/her bullets from landing and I’ll give you my honest reaction. Just make sure she’s a hard-hitting journalist on a show claiming the title of news, and make sure she’s either blasting away at the guest like they were both invited on the show to fight the fight, or that’s she’s acting like an oily, sneering, reptile. If she’s (arguably) lying all the better.

    Finally, if I could send a message to the troops it would be this – Gentlemen, Ladies – stomp that snake. For indeed, that’s what she is.

    ___

    Now to read the article and the comments on this thread. Excuse the major backtrack.

  40. In any good corporation, which Rutherford obviously never worked the money making side of a good corporation, there used to be something called a post audit.

    Don’t start playing the corporate lackie just cos your boy Romney is on the judging stand. You know better.

    We used to call them “lessons learned sessions” or something to that effect. They were always the lowest priority aspects of any project I encountered, if they happened at all. And if they happened, the results of the “audit” often got filed away never to be seen again …. and the same damn mistakes were made on the next project.

    And while I agree that some degree of loyalty and gratitude might be due our former employers for keeping a roof over our heads, it does not absolve them of the bureaucratic cluster-f*cks which I accuse them of in this article.

  41. Actually the nation is on life support and NEEDS a physician. An executive would cut the losses and sell us off to the highest bidder.

  42. Actually, bad CEOs run companies poorly by throwing money at every problem. Witness Microsoft. Deeper pockets than talented people.

    Obama is just as much a CEO as Romney is and Obama responds to every need with the definition of insanity. That is, to throw money at it.

  43. Addendum to 65, the audits that were taken very seriously were internal audits to test how secure data was. Managers could lose their jobs (or at least get an abysmal performance rating) over failed internal audits.

    Two brief anecdotes which are amusing only in retrospect. One concerns the 1st shift data center manager and the other concerns me (the 3rd shift manager).

    After what appeared to be a successful audit, the auditor walked into the first shift manager’s office and threw a cartridge on her desk that he had taken out of the tape library. Oops. She survived but I think she beat the hell out of the team leader of the tape library.

    As for me, ever the cocky bastard, I had an auditor tell me that he could get through the service window of my data center master control room. I told him politely that there was no way in hell he could do it, the opening was too narrow. Sure enough, I was dealing with a f*cking contortionist. Sonafabitch climbed through the window and just smiled at me. Needless to say the window was swapped out for one with a more narrow opening. And needless to say, although this happened in the dead of night on 3rd shift, my name was circulating all over the building by sunrise as folks filed in. 😦

  44. You’re drowning Rutherford.
    Seriously dude the corporation meme? Big companies+Big government= one common item=bureaucracy. On that line alone your post is proven ridiculous. Let’s dig deeper.
    One of the Obama Pails I’ve earned was based on stating that there were a number of issues that Obama was very involved in analysis prior to finally making a decision. I accepted that BHO didn’t want to be rushed and wanted to have the full picture even if at times this seriously reeked of failed leadership. So why is Obama obviously allowed and heralded for not being a cowboy,for being an information gathering desk guy yet Romney vis a vis CEO style is a punk? Nah!

  45. Tex, truly interesting 11 point description of our demise. If you write your book fast, you’ll be called prescient. Maybe PF can publish it for you, or if I decide to go into the publishing biz, you can be my first client. 🙂

  46. (Thor lands with cape, horns and amazing, triumphant background music) Never fear, deflecto-man is here. Hey R, bleeding out both ears yet?

    Hey G, I heard Ryan explain the difference between Obama’s plan not balancing and Romney’s balancing. It was something like this… uhh, bluhhh, dahh 20% of GDP.” Interviewer, I understand that, but what about balance? Ryan: ERRR, uhhhh, duhhh. I don’t want to go wonky on you, we haven’t looked at the numbers yet. Looks like Romney better pay the staffers that actually wrote the Ryan budget to start talking through his earpiece. Maybe they’re back in Wisconsin running his other campaign.

    BTW R, he didn’t pull out because his opponent is pretty strong. Not strong enough to beat Ryan, but strong enough to beat a Rep. thrown in at the last minute. If Ryan wins and then leaves, it goes to a special election next spring. Imagine the money bomb the K. brothers will drop on that race?

    Hey Tex, if you’re this pissed when you think you are winning, how’s it going to be if you actually lose?

    The only thing missing in ET’s description of a twister was Michele Obama flying by on a boomstick. 🙂

  47. It’s worth noting that there’s one area these cuts don’t touch: Medicare benefits. The Affordable Care Act rolls back payment rates for hospitals and insurers. It does not, however, change the basket of benefits that patients have access to. And, as Ezra pointed out earlier today, the Ryan budget would keep these cuts in place.

    Tex, read before you post a link my brotha. 🙂

  48. “Actually, bad CEOs run companies poorly by throwing money at every problem. Witness Microsoft. Deeper pockets than talented people.” – Muffy

    I made this same point about Romney last spring but nobody bit. When challenged by his opponents in the primary to dangerous levels, he didn’t adjust policy, embrace a refreshing new approach, come up with better alternative ideas, no, he simply money bombed the opposition. These were members of his own party.

  49. Rutherford I won’t speak for Tex’s intent but I will say one could say he was being immensely fair in posting an EZ Klein piece.
    I’ve been witness to some serious deflection and spin from Mssrs. Klein and Beinart lately and since those two have O’s manhood so deep in2 them that is something to take note of.

    I did notice in Kleins piece and comments that folks don’t seem to have any real logical thoughts on what the ACA impact on Medicare really means FOR ALL OF US. It is starting to leech to the surface though about how the ACA will cause great stress and distress on access for all.
    That actually dovetails into my personal disgust on all the geezers I’ve talked to recently. Heaven forbid either POTUS candidate fucks with their entitlement. lol if I wasn’t crying I think.

  50. Wow. Sound familiar? Must be profiling. Shot him like a dog in the streets. We should be seeing Sharpton and his gang any time now.

    I know you think this makes you sound awfully clever. You don’t see the terrible tragedy in all this? The girl was injured, her father is dead. If the community was not dysfunctional (as I assume it was) someone would have pulled the father off the cop before things escalated out of control.

    A really sad circumstance for all involved. Thanks for politicizing it. Well done! 😐

  51. @ thor 77….that is an interesting take on events. Obviously I’m a Romney guy but truthfully,one of the things I admired him for during the primary season was his focus on the ultimate opponent. Perspective comes from where you sit I guess.

  52. “Bain was called in like The Wolf was in Pulp Fiction.” -rabbit

    LOL.

    “Now, you got a corpse in a car minus a head in a garage. Take me to it.”

  53. Rut-roh Raggy…

    LOL that made me chuckle since my daughter used to be a major Scooby Doo fan.

    Well I guess Obama is lucky Ron Paul ain’t running. He also has major youth support.

    Everyone loves to rag on me regarding my predictions but I stand firm that IF Obama wins in November it will be by a hair. Just too many unhappy people out there. What concerns me, as I’ve said before, is that this country can’t afford a close election right now. Too much distrust. Accusations of fraud will fly from either losing side if it’s close.

  54. ”I made this same point about Romney last spring but nobody bit.” –thor

    It’s not the same argument if Romney doesn’t have an eye for talent – which I wasn’t sure about before but I’m taking another look at now. That’s why for me this pick was pretty important. More later.

    Deeper pockets than talented people.

    That was my argument and you need both. You throw the money at the talented people, not problem after problem. That’s what Obama does. No plan (talented people). Just relief.

  55. Hehe…

    A new report on voter registration trends finds that Democratic voter registration is down by more than 800,000 since 2008 in 8 key battleground states.

    GOP registration has also declined – but by only 79,000, a tenth of the Democrats’ losses.

    Meanwhile, registered independents are on the rise, increasing their numbers in those states by nearly half-a-million.

    The analysis, conducted by centrist Democratic think tank Third Way and appearing first in POLITICO, points to the critical role independent voters will play in determining the presidential outcome in some of the most competitive states on the 2012 map – Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina and Pennsylvania.

  56. Actually Mother Earth and Father Time DO desperately need an OB/GYN.

    We’ve been experiencing birth pains for quite some time.

  57. The great budget cutting deficit ending Romney has so far said he would overturn the DOD sequestration and restore medicare cuts and cut taxes. Of course, no explanation for payment of said actions. I think his head needs an internal audit.

    I wonder if Ryan is second guessing hitching his deficit hawk label to the pixie dust, gravy train express.

  58. “I admired him for during the primary season was his focus on the ultimate opponent.”

    Insightful, Alfie. I’m watching to see if he did the same thing with his Ryan pick.

    With Ryan he risks losing to his immediate opponent, Obama (Florida stays D – MAYBE) to get to his ultimate opponent – the economy. The current economy and economical landscape 30 years from now.

  59. “A really sad circumstance for all involved. Thanks for politicizing it. Well done!”

    First The Onion, now me.

    Yeah. I’ll reflected back to your Zimmerman and Palin comments before I make mine next time. You hold a lot of credibility when it comes to lecturing about tragedy versus politicization. 🙄

  60. R #79 get off the hobby horse dude!
    The incident is very political in nature and speaks to a number of points you yourself could quite possibly post on. History is full of stories not unlike this one and offer currency for ET’s statement. NYC,Watts and Liberty City just off the top of my head.

  61. @ thor I got to lay the if’s on you.. if I find the time,if I find the article and if I find the supporting docs I will back this up and make it mean more.
    One of the budget charges against Romney is based on an assumption he won’t go after two fairly sweet but far from sacred loopholes. The numbers if I recall properly were looking at high 80 billions and the closure of the loopholes nets 90’s. I find this an example that a Romney Admin. may very well be trusted with finding balances.

  62. Perspective comes from where you sit I guess. – Alfie

    Good point. He was acting like a front runner, smart on his part. Especially when the “unconnected” pacs can do the dirty work.

  63. Newt, Romney’s “division and anger and hate” speech is very strategic. Romney’s not unhinged; he’s calculating. He’s diminishing/tarnishing the only quality that polls well for Obama — the good guy likeability factor. And Obama Chicago-style, mean spirited, personal destruction, Carthaginian campaign strategy will keep delivering.

  64. You might also want to look out for budget specifics that you think today haven’t been thought of. There are a lot of good reasons to hold back at this stage. Those reasons are the same as Obama’s. The only difference is that Obama would like to make through November without any budget proposal or commitments. R & R will cram that down his throat though — or should I say “hit him with their Boom Stick. Boom!

    Again, the silence is deafening — you just don’t hear it becuase you’re too busy cheer-leading.

  65. “Thor, that’s pretty vacant. Can you point to a problem Obama hasn’t thrown good money after bad?

    Drones.”

    Holy crap. I just blew coffee out of my nose. 😆

  66. G @ 88

    Your link was fairly useless and, of course, full of distortions. Yes,the cuts are to providers, just like in the sequestration under the debt ceiling agreement. Now, how is Romney going to pay to restore this money to doctors?

    I did find this part enlightening.

    “Indeed, the most politically brazen feature of Obamacare has always been its looting of Medicare.”

    I thought the most brazen part was ramming an unconstitutional mandate through Congress that would surely be shot down by the SCOTUS. How’d that work out for you?

    And BTW, you missed the point of the macaca thing. He told the audience to welcome the kid to America. The kid was an American that happened to have dark skin.

    I think macaca is Hindi for “tar baby”. It’s a legal term. 😉

  67. #99 El Tigre, I see one problem with Romney’s strategy, we know Obama and we like him, his personal popularity rates very high in the polls. Not so with Romney, people feel uncomfortable with him, think he is secretive, and we just don’t like him. This isn’t based any ideology, because as you recall the Republicans didn’t like him either during the primary. So rather we agree with the President or not on a lot or a little, we like him, we’d have a beer with him and tell him our problems. And we know he would listen.

  68. Newt, who the fuck is ‘we’? ‘We’ won’t say we don’t personally like him because ‘we’ would then be called racists by the left and the MSM. Do you really think that poll accurately reflects what people think about Obama and what he’s done to this nation?

  69. Fuck Obama, and no, I wouldn’t have a beer with the prick. Here’s a clue Newt: HE FUCKING LYING TO YOU. He has no plan, for Medicare or the economy or anything else. Correction, his plan for Medicare IS Obamacare. He’s gonna suck it dry, then he’s gonna kick the old over in the public exchanges. Great plan.

    And Drones, chuckle-chuckle, funny guy. Except that is a continuation of Bush policy. Funny, the things working best are the things he didn’t think of.

    But back to Newt, are you honestly that gullible?

  70. Don’t start playing the corporate lackie just cos your boy Romney is on the judging stand. You know better.

    Dammit Rutherford. You called me Toady yesterday and got it right. Now, you call me lackey and spelled it wrong. I’ve got to teach you to insult more effectively. Perhaps you can pass my message to Wattle Jean since Newtonless won’t do it and get some practice with the pejoratives?

    ————

    I think you have misunderstood my career, “R”. Not all 20 years of it was bad. In fact, had it not been for Hugo Chavez taking over PDVSA, I’d still be in my old job of years ago and loving it. How many 30 something year old are responsible for millions, swinging deals, and actually growing the business utilizing all the tools I learned? When they eliminated the program, I went back to the only place I could – I.T. Yuck.

    Long story.

    But working on the revenue stream of the business was excellent. My comments you have witnessed here were while I worked in IT, and yes, it is as you say. 😉

    But these corporations that make billions? They can’t all be inept if you get my drift. Somebody has to know what they are doing.

  71. So Thor, what’s Obama’s plan to save Medicare? You tell me I’m how wrong, fine, what’s the plan and how am I wrong? You guys keep throwing up this strawman, you then attack it, and pat each other on the back for knocking down what we didn’t say.

    What’s Obama’s plan and how am I wrong?

  72. Thor, I was just simply explaining to the room why I loathe liberals, Rutherford excluded. I thought you appreciated truth? 😀

    That will continue whether Romney wins by 10, or loses by 1. It’s not like you’re going away anytime soon – hence my warning that winning the election not enough. We’ve got to kick you out of the nest and teach to fend for yourself.

    So you really think Joe Biden can run my life better than my wife and I can? How about Obama and his hideous, meddling wife? Undoubtedly, you do.

    Did you see where three axe handle Moochelle scolded Gabby Douglas for eating an Egg McMuffin? That’s the kind of shit that drives me crazy.

    Here we’ve got a world class athlete who can jump out of the gym and just proved it, being scolded by Black Angus, once caught during commercial stuffing her nasty cheeks with fried chicken nuggets.

  73. That question about Medicare may be too steeped for Thor. I’ve got an easier one.

    What is Obama’s plan for jobs, economy, business? We don’t even hear that anymore. Where’s those shovel ready jobs?

  74. #108 I guess so Tigre. If anyone doubts the difference in likability between Obama and Romney, plus how impossible it will be for Romney to bring Obama down on likability, google pictures on the internet of both candidates with babies and very young children. Babies light up for Obama and they scream and cringe when Romney approaches them. Since babies have no political bias, this test is as fair as anyone can make it.

  75. ” So [whether] we agree with the President or not on a lot or a little, we like him, we’d have a beer with him and tell him our problems. And we know he would listen.”

    No Newt. He would only pretend to listen while he planned to do to you later what Obama plans to do to you in his second term.

    (Joke. Credit Alvy Singer for that one).

  76. “Babies light up for Obama and they scream and cringe when Romney approaches them. Since babies have no political bias, this test is as fair as anyone can make it.”

    Oh Newt. You’re messing with us. You…are you….you’re kidding, right?

  77. Newtikins, lets speak your language and go all redneck.

    How many budgets has Obama passed? How many times has he got zero votes? How then does he rank on your ..get-er-done scale?

  78. Ragi in 64 makes a good point again. What we have is failing. We need something new.

    Yes Rutherford, I think Biden ran for two offices too. He isn’t the only to use a fall back position.

    Newt or no newt is correct that most people would like a beer with Obama as they did Bush as opposed to Romney and Kerry. Both are rather stiff.

    However, a responsible employer which we are supposed to be hires on competence and a past history, not likeablilgy.

    Besides, as noted, Obama is lying to you if you share a beer. He will pick your pocket while he pats you on the back. You had better hope you don’t need Medicare some day. Obama is taking as much as $500 million from Medicare. As baby boomers retire, the reduced money will add even more pressure and make rationing a necessity.

    Are you NOP?

  79. Newt, I am clutching my chest. “I’m coming to see you Elizabeth.”

    R. . . a little help here for one of yours. I can only bite my tongue so long. . . medic. . .

  80. Now, you guys were blasting Ryan because of his interning

    I don’t know who “you guys” are. Didn’t Ryan intern for Jack Kemp? (For the time being) I have nothing against Kemp.

    I was very surprised to hear Todd worked for Harkin. Like I said, he comes off very impartial with even the occasional wink to the right.

  81. #105, Sounds like a good idea to me, perhaps Obama is hearing opinions on the matter from farmers while he is in Iowa. Ethanol always was a losing proposition, just yesterday, I heard it takes 7/8 of a gallon of diesel to produce a gallon of ethanol.

  82. I know they react to physical attractiveness (pretty faces). That I’ve heard. OK, I’ll check it out.

    Maybe we should throw a cat into the room with them. too.

  83. Its official, Newt is off balance. Emily is about the nicest most open-minded lass or lad on this blog, and if she says you’re full of shit (my words, not hers) then you’re waaaaaaaayyyyy out there.

  84. What a fucking coward. I’m so disgusted right now…

    Sources told Fox News that after guard took away his gun, the suspect said, “Don’t shoot me, it was not about you, it was what this place stands for.”

  85. Gorilla, I am more interested in how elections are won and lost actually than I am in how the sausage is made. I care about that as well, but it is less a personal interest.
    It is true Muffy and Emily, Paul Ryan has to be the baby kisser for the campaign. Know what other candidate caused babies to screech at the top of their lungs? Nixon!

  86. Emily, measuring a dog’s response would work better, cats usually just ignore people, unless they want something.

  87. Alfie, thanks for 98. I don’t like “it’s on the table”. And I think the article calling the other side’s math wrong because they didn’t consider what Mitt might be considering is pretty weak. I don’t like the idea of muni bonds losing their tax status. Local governments are already struggling and this is one of the few carrots they have to dangle. If you listen to business people, not politicos, they say uncertainty is a huge barrier to investment right now. Mitt being vague on tax reform underscores that he is now more a politician than a businessman, no matter how successful he was in the past.

  88. Gorilla, I am more interested in how elections are won and lost actually than I am in how the sausage is made. I care about that as well, but it is less a personal interest.” – Newt

    There you have boys and girls, another example of a shallow Dem who votes only skin deep. One of the most important election in most of our lives and we have dingle-berry here going on about the ‘baby test’.

    ‘Oh, I’m not interested in how they make the sausage, just how they’re gonna fuck me with it.’

  89. Ms. Isaac, you’re a hoot. It’s like somebody unplugged your coax and you’re running around looking for a WiFi receptacle.

    If you start talking about your vagina and how it empowers you, or your front butt, I’ll know Helen has ‘brung’ us a visit. That baby remark read like something you would read at Wattle Jean’s.

  90. Newt: Babies absolutely adore my neighbor. Dogs, too. But I don’t know that I’d want her to manage defrosting my freezer, much less taking over responsibility for the free world…

    If I understand your original point, it was that the President has an advantage because polls have ranked him more “likeable” than Mr. Romney. Yes? But do those polls take it further, and ask whether someone would as a result be more likely to vote for one or the other? That is one place where you are losing me. For example, if I need a cardiologist, I want a really good one. I don’t care if he’s warm and fuzzy. And I wouldn’t pick one because someone said “he is SUCH a nice guy!” Ditto airline pilots or anyone else with an important and responsible position. I can’t believe I’m alone in that.

    I do think it’s interesting that some political candidates inspire such strong feelings, both positive and negative. People seem to project all sorts of stuff on Obama and not appreciate that all they see is a thin sliver of a public persona. Same thing with Sarah Palin–people absolutely adored her or loathed the very sound of her voice, but you didn’t have too many people who said “meh.” That is the quality (IMO) of a celebrity. Some people provoke those responses, some don’t. I am not sure why.

  91. Let me spare you the research, Newton. Here’s how Baracky wins elections.

    First, Brack with no record of accomplishment makes promises to millions of rubes which he can’t possibly keep off the teleprompter, because off the cuff he can’t remember anything but his NCAA Tournament Bracket picks. Then Obama manipulates the rubes with voodoo chants of they are the ones we’ve all been waiting for, leaving the mindless rubes in hypnotic trance, left with the impression that it’s free rent and gas time. This assumes rubes are to inane to remember the promises four or six years later. And it’s a sure bet.

    Once reelection time rolls around and realizing not a one of his promises have been fulfilled or programs has worked worth a shit, Brack calls out his henchmen like David Axel Grease to go digging for dirt. If by chance there’s any historical dirty laundry, say like a nasty divorce, the court records become magically unsealed and appear on the internet with the help of the slobbering love fest MSM. Guys like Rutherford do their part.

    If either of these options fail, the fallback is to Balkanize the elect buying votes from the public coffers, scare tactics of pushing granny off the cliff, threats that the opponent will put them in chains and end Social Security and Medicare. Instead of free rent and gas, it’s free smokes and drink time plus a promise of another recovery summer – like a beer summit, plus a raffle to dine with Joe Biden or Shelly Antoinette for $3.00 a head.

  92. From Rutherford’s article, I discovered by accident Newton must be writing for Salon.

    Come on, Geraghty, no one besides Bill Clinton actually enjoys campaigning, least of all Obama, who honestly (and idiotically) thought he’d spend his entire presidency politely negotiating centrist compromises with moderate members of the opposition party acting in good faith, because he actually hates politics and being a partisan Democrat.

    Anybody that believes this is a true Obama fan… 🙄

    I never knew there were so many idiots amongst us until I started visiting this blog.

  93. It’s kind of like that eerie feeling right before the tornado warnings go off. The air is still, the sky turning green, the birds stop chirping. . . and R is inside watching Morning Joe with the sound turned up so high he can;t hear the sirens, completely oblivious to what is going on outside of his living room. 😆

    I swear you guys are writing some powerful fiction today. Tigre and Tex, collaborate on that book! Beats workin’.

    P.S. Yes I’m FAR behind on comments again. You boys and girls are active today … must be end-of-summer rush.

  94. Actually Rutherford, you have one gift of which you do not recognize. A shame you can’t predict the stock market through your own projection like you can elections.

    The worse the outlook for your team, the more shrill you get. 😉

    And you’ve been very shrill as of late.

    If by chance Romney should win, you won’t mind if we serenade Obama like the shit asses lefties did Bush in 2009, do you? More of that civility and Obama wanting so badly to work with Republicans, I assume?

  95. I’m not trying to pile on, but Newt needs help. Newt should be more careful about making snap judgements. She was sure Harry Reid had the goods on Romney, so she told us. Then, she wrote that Reid was planning to attend a Romney rally and we should watch for fireworks. She joked that something Rush said would end Romney’s career. We should mark the date on our callendars. She also implied that Rand had done illegal insider trading.

    “Cats usually just ignore people unless they want something…” OBAMA!! the cat.

  96. Absolutely. Just worried about your blood pressure. 🙂

    I’m touched by your concern. 😉

    Look at my rise in the systole while mocking progressivism like a good exercise jaunt. I go off on some rube, work up a sweat, and I don’t even have to hit the treadmill to get healthy. But I always feel the need to bathe after the conversation, as my soul feels soiled being in such close proximity to some liberal.

    Besides, scalding libs is good for my complexion.

  97. How dare these failed bastards tell us how best to live our lives.

    Oh yeah, Mike Bloomberg is one failed bastard. 😆 You’re too much. I don’t like soft-drink-fascism any better than you do but will Mitt not tell folks how to live their lives? If he ends up backing “personhood” the sons of this country can kiss their condoms goodbye. Can’t interfere with the fertilization of those “persons”.

  98. FYI Tex, I’ve watched Obama speak of the cuff numerous times, news conferences and town meetings,etc. He does just fine and doesn’t refuse to answer either. I wasn’t aware of the Daily Beast thing Tigre, but it is on similar lines. I have been watching all of the candidates speeches and mingling with the crowds every evening on C-span. Try it, it is rather enlightening.
    I stated when I came here, my own political conclusions are based upon my own experiences, and own interests, as I am sure yours are as well. Actual I am not that sure some of you are voting your own interest. But I also got to thinking, because of Rutherford’s statements yesterday about how one’s own biases form impressions and even muddled memories, how to eliminate the bias, just to measure people response to the candidates. Babies, of course, they don’t have any bias, they operate purely on what the see and hear at that moment.
    Now another thing I’ve noticed about Romney from watching him walk up to the podium, he appears to have either a bad back or arthritis, maybe in the hips. Might be part of the reason he comes across as wooden, because he actually is stiff. I’m surprised his campaign doesn’t have someone working with him on his body language to convey a more positive image.

  99. Might be part of the reason he comes across as wooden, because he actually is stiff. I’m surprised his campaign doesn’t have someone working with him on his body language to convey a more positive image.

    😆 You know, Newton. You remind me of a couple of those women over where my dad is in rehab. This morning, one sitting in a wheel chair grabbed me and told me she needed me to help her find her Corn Flakes while I walked down the hall.

    So I went to the kitchen, told one of the grisly cooks who said, “Some of these people are crazy” :lol:. And I brought back one of those little boxes of Corn Flakes like you see in a hotel to her.

    Just happy as a lark. How about I tell you Obama is going to win? Shoot, he may be so popular, we just elect him king and be done with it?

    Would that put a big grin on your face?

  100. The president of Special Operations OPSEC Education Fund Inc, Scott Taylor, is a former Navy SEAL who in 2010 ran unsuccessfully for the Republican nomination for a congressional seat in Virginia.

    OPSEC is run by a GOP loser. Nuff said.

    Shame the cowards felt it necessary to hide their funding with the 501C classification and the Delaware incorporation. In another time, this slander of the Commander-in-Chief would have been considered treason. But then this is the first time in recent history that a liberal POTUS has so successfully kicked terrorist ass … MUCH better than his GOP predecessor. So we must tear him down.

    F*ck OPSEC … a bunch of unpatriotic traitorous bastards.

  101. You’re not helping your cause Newt. You’re just showing a lack of depth and prurient projection.

    The race was over on August 8th anyway. I saw it on my calendar. I don’t remember why, but you were told that by somebody that actually referred to Obama’s Boom Stick.

  102. Muffy, Faye Dunaway. Mmm, mmm. You’ve been holding out on us girl. I am going to have to be VERY nice to you from now on. 🙂

    Hey Tex, noticed they escaped into Okl. Any awesome tales of shoestring relatives. Might keep the folks entertained while I go write … err, find Obama’s plan.

  103. Now another thing I’ve noticed about Romney from watching him walk up to the podium, he appears to have either a bad back or arthritis, maybe in the hips. Might be part of the reason he comes across as wooden, because he actually is stiff.

    Yeah, some puppet masters are able to pull off better animation. It might improve with practice. Obviously, Obama already had Geppetto on payroll.

  104. Shame the cowards felt it necessary to hide their funding with the 501C classification and the Delaware incorporation. In another time, this slander of the Commander-in-Chief would have been considered treason. But then this is the first time in recent history that a liberal POTUS has so successfully kicked terrorist ass … MUCH better than his GOP predecessor. So we must tear him down.

    F*ck OPSEC … a bunch of unpatriotic traitorous bastards.” – R

    R, you’re gonna have to help me, how are they unpatriotic and traitorous?

  105. Oh yeah, Mike Bloomberg is one failed bastard. 😆

    So you think Bloomberg has been an effective mayor, do you? Good thing you had to move to Chicago if you like salt or a 20oz Snapple. Herr Heinrich Bloomberg wouldn’t approve. But then I always did believe libs enjoy someone else managing their children.

    Is that why New York is advertising for business every night, even with all their built in financial perks and location? Just wait…

    I’m going to laugh my ass off one day when you twits living off the benefit of the historical rout suddenly find Wall Street up and moved to Dallas and you’re back to squeegeeing windows for a living on the mean streets. 😉

  106. Newt, I think you’re missing the point. ET nailed it. Obama’s defining strength is his like-ability. That’s probably why polls asking direction of the country are in the teens, but his approval rating still hovers around 48-48. Going negative threatens the one number Romney probably can’t move on his own.

    Explain a late term abortion to that baby. It’ll wipe the smile right off his face.

  107. Noah, I’m rifling through a good 90 comments. Sorry dude you’re gonna have to wait a bit longer for that “response”. If it makes you feel any better, I’ve set it aside in its own window so I can return to it later.

  108. “P.S. Yes I’m FAR behind on comments again. You boys and girls are active today … must be end-of-summer rush.”

    Glad to see you finally peeled yourself off the fainting couch from my heartless comments about the shooting.

    You don’t need to hunt for amens R. Newt needs help — stat!

  109. After yesterday, Romney’s tirade and adolescent whining, I am convinced Mitt does not have the disposition to Potus.

    Newt sadly it’s all in the eye of the beholder. There are some who will say Mitt is taking the moral high ground when he makes these “tirades”.

  110. Hey Tex, noticed they escaped into Okl. Any awesome tales of shoestring relatives. Might keep the folks entertained while I go write … err, find Obama’s plan.

    😆 Believe it or not, this piece of white trash does have a little historical perspective. Granddaddy worked on Pretty Boy Floyd’s car in Miami, OK, once upon a time. I think more than once if memory serves. Said he was a pretty nice guy too, but Grandpa took extra good car to get the car right the first time. 😈

    Grandpa would have been about 30 then.

    “If you’ll gather ’round me, children, a story I will tell
    ‘Bout Pretty Boy Floyd, an Outlaw, Oklahoma knew him well.

    As through this world you travel, you’ll meet some funny men
    Some will rob you with a six-gun, and some with a fountain pen. ~ Woody Guthrie, native Oklahoman and Commie

  111. Noah, I’m rifling through a good 90 comments. Sorry dude you’re gonna have to wait a bit longer for that “response”. If it makes you feel any better, I’ve set it aside in its own window so I can return to it later.

    Ive waited a few days, whats a few more. Real life first right?

  112. F*ck OPSEC … a bunch of unpatriotic traitorous bastards.

    Just burns your ass that it’s not one defeated pol, but an entire platoon of SEALS that just pissed on Obama’s one claim to fame, doesn’t it?

    And they’ve actually walked the walk, unlike Jive Talking Hussein. He’s too busy bowing to the Saud King.

    Unpatriotic and traitorous? 😆 Who knew killing Osama was going to be ruled as traitorous?

  113. Muffy, a couple of quick comments …. yes the show is live, very live. Honestly I don’t know how I don’t vomit when I take callers but when we go live, I transform. (Plus I’ve been watching and admiring pros my whole life, like the legendary Larry King and I do my best attempt though admittedly amateur, to emulate them, Hell, I’d emulate Rush if it got me ratings. He’s an a$$hole but DAMN he’s good at what he does. No doubt about it.)

    As for Gorilla I love it when he calls in but I had a MUCH better time when he called in on my solo show a few weeks ago. There’s so much tension between him and Sandi that it’s just uncomfortable and she can resort to condescension when she gets peeved which makes things ten times worse.

    P.S. We get single digit live audience but the replays (basically a podcast) have been doing better lately, topping 1000 plays recently.

  114. That’s because she’s an ignorant hack spouting talking points. Really, if you want Sandi’s position, ahem, just read Talking Points Memo’s daily letter and there it is. Heaven forbid you stray off of it though cause then Sandi’s position, ahem, will be non-existent.

    She can’t articulate the issues because she’s not suppose to, she’s just suppose to attack, attack, attack and stay on script. She’s an inch deep, and probably waiting with Newt for the sausage…

  115. James, I was debating on frying the little bugger up, but now that you mention it, grilling may be the option to go with. Mine’s soaking in beer right now, but how do you like to do yours?

  116. If you were referring to my comment I used lime juice and virgin olive oil and honey, salt and pepper for a marinade. Soak it for about an hour then put on the grill, nothing fancy.

  117. Thor I meant to ask you. You can’t possibly capture and rehabilitate a wolf spider under a glass, can you?

    I lived on Cougar Mountain in Bellevue for about 5 years. The only time I seriously considered allowing a gun in the home was for shooting those bastards. They always seemed to be up high, even the ceiling for crying out loud, and were stupid fast.

    I would totally shoot them.

  118. I found the few times I’ve tried Rabbit, Emily, it’s actually pretty good – much better than chicken (unless the chicken is fried). I found it a far moister meat than chicken and not nearly as gamey as other wildlife.

    Now that is one wild game I would eat of Gorilla’s. I await my invite, big guy.

    However, we’ve got several wild ones in our own backyard and my wife just loves them. 😐 Hence, why I never plant flowers anymore. She likes the rabbits better than the flowers, and this wimp I’ve got for a hound doesn’t even bother them – unlike the predators we had before him.

    If I were to shoot one of Mom’s rabbits, I guarantee I’d be hit over the head with a skillet, possibly fried myself. I’m married to the original bleeding heart animal lover. And I’ve got to admit, I’m pretty soft to when it comes to the furry ones. It hurt me to kill a couple of rats a few years ago.

  119. I’ve noted the strange silence of the FRC shooter hereabouts today. No gun control retorts, no Sarah Palin targets, no Gabby Gifford’s references, nothing much.

    I hope you noted that the feckless shill leftist group the Southern Poverty Law Center called FRC a ‘hate group.’ What a joke.

    Aren’t you liberals going to come out and condemn a wannabee mass murderer carrying a Chick-Fil-A sack into the FRC? I say pin a medal on the security cop, my only beef being he just overpowered him instead of shooting the goon right between the eyes.

    Or is the target more acceptable to you Leftist’s likings?

  120. “Thor I meant to ask you. You can’t possibly capture and rehabilitate a wolf spider under a glass, can you?” -Muffy

    🙂

    I don’t know a wolf spider, at least not by that name. Are they the brown striped ones that get the big ass egg sac on their rear? If so, they’re harmless. Hobos are a different story. They cause a wound that won’t heal. Basically has to be cut out.

    Cougar Mountain. Awesome. Great kegger area when I was growing up. If you can picture being on the north side looking across the valley, past Lake Samm. and about five miles farther NE, that’s where I grew up. Wow. Small world.

    Alfie, if you’re listening, Cougar Mt. is where OUR Nike sites were.

  121. Umm, Ms. Newton? You know how Paul Ryan was such a Yahoo moment for you liberals – the worst of the worst, the day Blammo won the election? Completely unpopular with the women folk?

    Apparently not in Ohio. Believe they call that a “swing” state, do they not?

  122. “Or is the target more acceptable to you Leftist’s likings?” – Tex

    Pardon the silence. Between homework assignments on Obamacare and spider tranquilizing training, I’ve been a little busy.

    Melt the guns.

    That ought to get it started.

  123. Looks like Romney better pay the staffers that actually wrote the Ryan budget to start talking through his earpiece.

    Ah Thor, you arrived before I drowned in the deluge.

    I think you’ve missed the awful dilemma in which Ryan finds himself. In that interview with Brit Hume, Ryan was trying NOT to talk about HIS budget. That’s why he said “we don’t have all the numbers figured out yet.” He was referring to the nonexistent Romney budget. He knows full well that HIS budget doesn’t balance until 2040 but he’s been told by his new masters that he is not to plug his budget, but rather hope we all forget he wrote one. 😉

  124. You’ll notice that the crime ended rather abruptly when the dude got shot. Hmmmmmmmm, no guns and the shooting goes on but when there are others guns nearby, well, the shooting stops pretty quickly. Funny how that happens…

  125. though I think Romney wins in a landslide.

    I think a landslide from either is highly unlikely. But if Romney wins by a landslide it better be outside the margin of “voter suppression error”. 😉

  126. A new report on voter registration trends finds that Democratic voter registration is down by more than 800,000 since 2008 in 8 key battleground states.

    GOP registration has also declined – but by only 79,000, a tenth of the Democrats’ losses.

    Isn’t this stat deceptive in that didn’t 2008 Dem registration go up significantly from prior years? This could simply mean a normalization due to the lack of novelty/hope/change.

  127. Not all 20 years of it was bad.

    Hell, even in IT, Tex, not all 24 years were bad. In fact, only the last 9 years or so due to change in corporate culture. But even when times were good, projects were dysfunctional.

    I’ll give you this. My perspective might have been different working on your side of the business.

  128. For those who don’t pay attention to my Twitter feed, this is classic.

  129. I will say this for Newt’s point earlier: there is a famous scene of Obama quieting a baby who was really pissed. The dude has a rep for being calm and cool and collected. It may translate to babies when he holds them. Babies do pick up on these vibes.

    On the other hand, I’ve never seen Mitt handle a baby so I can’t vouch for him on that one.

  130. “I’m coming to see you Elizabeth.”

    Damn I’m a sucker for a good Fred Sanford reference. Tigre, you’re a pain in the ass on the blog but I bet you’re real fun to hang with. 🙂

  131. Following on Newt’s sub-thread, it’s odd that as a child I was pretty terrified of dogs but as an adult I seem to have a calming effect on them. My Dad’s dog barks like a madman until I show up and then he calmly lets me pet him.

    Shame I can’t have that effect on Gorilla. 😀

  132. What a fucking coward. I’m so disgusted right now…

    That reminds me … I meant to mention this on my show yesterday but I forgot.

    Are you aware that Mitt didn’t have the decency to tell the runners-up that they didn’t get the VP nod? He had his son Tag do it.

    Visions of our future wuss POTUS. I wonder who will call Putin for him when times get rough? 🙄

  133. “My Dad’s dog barks like a madman until I show up and then he calmly lets me pet him.

    Shame I can’t have that effect on Gorilla. 😀 “

    You’ve calmly petted Gorilla?

  134. Emily mentioned testing cat’s reactions to politicos, and I was reminded of my sister. She total disdained cats. Invariably, when she went to someone’s house, the family cat firmly placed itself on her lap for the duration of her visit. She was compelled to make the appropriate responses of petting and sweet talking the feline. Who says, cats don’t have a sense of humor!
    This is Obama with a crying child
    http://www.google.com/search?q=romney+and+crying+baby&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=uS8sUNPzN-TwigLAvIC4Cg&sqi=2&ved=0CFIQsAQ&biw=1122&bih=597

    And what comes up on Romney and a crying baby.

    http://www.google.com/search?q=romney+and+crying+baby&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=XTssUNWFN8btygG-uIHoDA&sqi=2&ved=0CFIQsAQ&biw=1122&bih=597

  135. I agree with Rutherford, The election is still too close to call, but it had better be by a wide margin whomever wins or the lawyers on both sides will fight each other for months.

    I’ve eaten fried, baked rabbit with basting, and I have eaten rabbit stew. I don’t especially like rabbit cooked or alive in my garden.

    Babies and dogs are irrelevant. Both like me, and so do children, but you wouldn’t want me to be president based on that.

    I don’t think we need to worry about how Romney speaks to Putin. LIkely he won’t whisper to the Russians to give him until after an election before he folds.

    I hope your talk show gains more listeners.

  136. I’ve got to remember some Tuesday to call in. But I’m not going to waste my time with some bubbleheaded soundbite like Sandi, Rutherford.

    That’s Newton’s sister speaking. Generally harmless and pathetic, but a total bore.

    Why don’t you take a once a month gig to handle the show yourself, or let some guest host like Gorilla share with you?

    Sandi is a brick, and she’s dragging your show down the crapper. When she’s not snorting into the microphone, she’s rambling. You need a Cross Fire format, where you get to share your drivel and someone like Gorilla, Rabbit, or Tigre lights your ass on fire. I guarantee your audience would increase a hundred fold.

    There’s nothing more mundane that listening to two clueless libs stroke each other on the radio. Think Air America.

    You sell yourself short with that ignoramus you share the show with.

  137. No one says, if babies like you, you would be a good President, but it is an indicator that a person without any bias (and there are a few voters like that and they will be the ones who actually decide this election, the polls show this) subconsciously pick up on the same nonverbal clues as infants and small children. Not saying you are a good person or bad person depending on if babies like you, but it indicates how comfortable they are with you. So if potential voters are decidedly uncomfortable with you, they aren’t going to vote for you.

  138. Well believe it or not, babies and dogs like me too Newton. Dogs so much so, I’ve been teasingly called dog whisperer in my neighborhood.

    Will that qualify me for President? I mean, I can’t really be any worse that Obama as far as performance, I can speak with note cards, write my own speeches, even won a Toastmaster’s contest one time in a humorous contest.

    Will you vote for me on that account if I run?

  139. Newt, what’s the connection between the ability of babies to pick up on non-verbal communication and the election? That babies are potential voters?

  140. They are crazy about me too, Tex. Maybe that is why, I always end up on juries, lord I hope my number doesn’t ever come up again. I’ve done my civic duty.

  141. It pains me greatly that we share something, Newton. 😥

    I have now completely lost confidence in myself and deathly afraid Rutherford Obama will ban me to Wattle Jeans and Fat Grannies, purgatory by another name.

    Do you know Auntie Jean and her fabulous stories of nothingness? A true master…of utter horseshit.

  142. Just had to share this. McBlackPAC… How absolutely f@#$ed up is that?
    A group dedicated to getting black and Irish politicians elected to all levels of govt. In the spirit of JFK and MLK. The common roots.
    I’m not kidding. I saw the statement from the group on The Hill.
    I can’t help but think about the heritage of blacks from Roxbury and Mattapan getting to meet the white Irish folks from Southie and Charlestown. Yup that went over real well.
    On another note and especially good given the group brings up Obama. Is it not clear to everyone that with the same qualifications Barry O’Banyon would NOT have had the opportunity Barack Obama had in 2008.
    I got to look deeper because if this group is legit and not some phony crap like Kony 2012 they are some stupid mutters

  143. My wife use to call her hooha Gorilla

    How did I miss this? I can’t even imagine why. 😈 I think I’ve underestimated your wife. Well, yes I can too imagine and it even sounds interesting. I’d like to ask what’s it like to pet a Gorilla, but I can’t bring myself to do it.

    I’d ask my wife if her’s has a name, believing something like Bambi might be more appropriate. However, my wife reads a little more prudish than your Mrs..I’d probably get brained and cut off for another couple of years if I happened to ask – any excuse will do now. You can almost call me Father Tex.

    Mr. Pool, ummm…How did the crazy bastard on Sling Blade put it so appropriately?

    Men come out of the womb, then spend their entire life trying to climb back in?

  144. 😆 Tex, I did not marry a prude. Back in the day, sex was all we ever did. Oh, and the 3 D’s: drinking, disco, and drugs. But those always started and ended with sex. Back before AIDS.

    Seems like a whole ‘nother planet…

  145. I’m starting to picture Newt looking and sounding like a female version of Beavis. The kind of person so dumb, you see it in their gums. Half human, half bird. Horrific mouth breather. She’s the one chick in every community college night class that blurts out so much weirdness that the instructor’s no dumb question/safe place to express policy is severly tested to the brink. The kind of chick that not so quietly laughs at her own quips followed by “I’m all” and then repeats what she just said. She also uses the acronym TMI with glee and fakes being grossed out when she isn’t.

  146. “Hmmmmmmmm, no guns and the shooting goes on”- Poolman’s wife’s thang … err, Gorilla

    No guns and the shooting of what goes on? Nasty looks. Oh, the horror.

  147. In short, Mr. Ryan’s plan is devoid of credible math or hard policy choices. And it couldn’t pass even if Republicans were to take the presidency and both houses of Congress. Mr. Romney and Mr. Ryan have no plan to take on Wall Street, the Fed, the military-industrial complex, social insurance or the nation’s fiscal calamity and no plan to revive capitalist prosperity — just empty sermons. – David Stockman, Reagan’s OMB director

    Read the rest, if you dare.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/14/opinion/paul-ryans-fairy-tale-budget-plan.html?_r=3&hp

  148. For example, if I need a cardiologist, I want a really good one. I don’t care if he’s warm and fuzzy.

    Well, yes …. and no. Given two doctors of equal competence I want the one I believe gives a damn about me, understands me and can relate to me, i.e. has good bedside manner.

    The issue with the likeability poll is not that it’s invalid but that it cannot be taken in isolation. It’s among many factors in choosing a candidate. It may be one of the more minor ones. But when you think about this election where the competence of both candidates is in question, likeability could play a more important role.

  149. Tex, I’ve gone on record in the past condemning the way George W was treated at the inauguration. I was mortified. And Obama had NOTHING to do with that.

    Furthermore, regarding the Salon article, I have absolutely no doubt that with his limited time in government, Obama thought compromise would be easier than it was. He certainly never expected the Senate minority leader to declare war on him practically on day 1.

  150. But I always feel the need to bathe after the conversation, as my soul feels soiled being in such close proximity to some liberal.

    I think you’re reading the wrong message from your soul Brother Tex.

  151. But I also got to thinking, because of Rutherford’s statements yesterday about how one’s own biases form impressions and even muddled memories

    I don’t know if Newt is referring to my radio show but if she is, it’s worth spelling this out for those who don’t listen to it.

    I found to my surprise on Saturday that my own political biases had warped my memory and quite honestly I was a bit pissed at myself about it. When Romney intro’d Ryan as the “next President” I said to my wife, “here we go again …. just like McCain did in 2008”. To confirm my memory I pulled up McCain’s intro on YouTube and …. no … he made no mistake at all. Now I was damn confused. What was I remembering? I then watched Barack’s intro of Biden and … yup, Obama was the one who made the mistake.

    I have zero doubt that my own political bias had effected my memory. I’m not losing sleep over it but I did find it troubling.

  152. 242 ?Samuelson, an award-winning columnist wrote just the opposite, thor. He believes Ryan’s plan is a credible discussion point and hie presence in the campaign may change the discussion into a much needed debate over policy and ideology.

    So far, it is superior to anything the Democrats have offered. They can’t even pass a budget. Obama’s efforts were met with quietude.

    “In short,” you are wrong, thor.

  153. I know the feeling Rutherford. I forgot a traumatic incident in the service. I knew it had happened, but I couldn’t remember it. Finally, on June 23, 1973, the memory came back.

    False and defective memories have proven to be problematic. People believe what they want to believe. If information about your candidate is bad, you will tend to discount it. And we vote. Its scarey isn’t it.

  154. R, you’re gonna have to help me, how are they unpatriotic and traitorous?

    I thought …. rule #1, you don’t publicly diss your Commander-in-Chief or ANY of your superiors for that matter. You handle issues privately with your immediate superior. The only reason you go public like these guys did is for political reasons. Plain and simple. They violated military protocol. Probably because they NEVER accepted this man as their leader.

    Stanley lost his job ‘cos his boys got drunk and talked smack to Rolling Stone. That is JUST as it should have been.

    But I guess the loss of honor among soldiers is just another symptom of our declining society. 😦

  155. Obama is an affirmative action president. I think he was bathed in his wonderfulness by his care givers that he thought he could present a view point, negotiate a bit and the entralled legislators would swoon into his vision.

    He and Michel tried that tactic to get the Olympics in Chicago. All they accomplished was the derision of Europeans.

  156. That’s why compromise didn’t work for Obama. He is also a bad bargainer. Last year the budget debate was nearly settled. The Republicans actually agreed on a tax increase. it appeared the deal would be sealed, but Obama suddenly asked for more and killed the potential agreement.

    He also didn’t play well during the health insurance debate. Democrats froze Republicans out of the principle discussion, and in one debate, Obama declared “IL won” the election, as if that gave him extra cache.

    I know from bargaining in Italy and other countries, that Obama would have failed as easily on a street corner as he has in office.

  157. Muffy that Flash Mob singing Hallelujah was fantastic. I wonder if any of the singers were not part of the original flash mob but joined in anyway.

    Great stuff.

  158. I mostly agree with 249, except that in this case I think some of theses soldiers feel so strongly that Obama is a danger they are breaking the rules to warn us all.

    I would feel better about it if they left the service first. Dissing your superior officers while in uniform is vorboten.

    I don’t believe Stanley would have lost his job just because his boys got drunk Talking smack to Rolling Stone crossed the line.

    Our military reflects the society which sends it to war. Compared to many of our leaders, I believe they are one of the most moral organizations in the country.

  159. Another good flash mob is Flash mob- Czech Republic-Prague, Main station 26.11.2010 6PM. People sang about love in a train station.

  160. More than 21,000 retired government workers get lifetime pensions of $100,000+ and Obama wants to grow the federal workforce even more.

    This comment has an invalid logical link Noah. According to the article, 1.2% of Fed retirees receive six figure pension incomes. Although likely higher than the private sector it is still a small percentage. You’ve made no case that any growth that Obama would make in the Fed workforce would end up falling in that 1.2%

  161. Sorry Rutherford your statement makes no sense to me as stated in 256.

    I will bottom line my thought for you. We should not be paying out this kind of money for government service. Nor should we be growing government to make it so we owe more people this level of income on the tax payer dollar.

    [In short, Mr. Ryan’s plan is devoid of credible math or hard policy choices. And it couldn’t pass even if Republicans were to take the presidency and both houses of Congress.]

    While you speculate wildly with nothing to back it up, your Messiah has done it …twice? Not maybe, not possibly, he did it, with a total of zero votes. Once…wow, what was he thinking. Twice..the dude is so far out of touch he doesn’t have a clue and has no business being in office.

  162. p.s. If it was just $100,000, and its not, that is $2,100,000,000 of our tax dollars going to 21k people for life. I don’t care if its 1% or 10%, that is a lot of money that is doing nothing productive for our government or our country. Obama stripped 20,000 auto workers of their pensions because they were non union, seems to me there is room to move here.

  163. Tex, I’ve gone on record in the past condemning the way George W was treated at the inauguration. I was mortified. And Obama had NOTHING to do with that.

    Well, Mitt Romney is not going to have anything personally to do with us gleefully serenading Obama’s sorry ass off the Whitehouse Lawn either, mocking his hideous wife too.

    What you heard is the typical leftist of the last 30 years – vile. You guys wanted a war and pushed 20 years for one. You’ve lied, accused of war crimes, called our soldiers mercenaries, propagandized (like Thor’s welfare crap commercial above – John Podesta? 😈 ), marketed in class warfare, created racial animosity. Now you’re getting it back in spades. People are fed up with you hacks to the point of real hatred. Don’t whine about it now.

    I think I speak for millions Rutherford when I tell you truthfully we have no desire to work with you anymore. For instance, once upon a time I had some sympathy for black America’s plight. But what I’ve discovered is much of black America is vicious, vacuous, lazy, and totally racist.

    We are two countries. Have been for over ten years. And why the lame stream media is now crying about is pathetic. They helped create it. The liberal media can go to hell. I don’t give a damn what happens to them – I despise them.

  164. When Hades freezes over.

    Unions once thought they had a monopoly too. Perhaps we will make Wall Street irrelevant with technology. :wink

    Think I’m not serious, don’t you MR. “R”?

  165. R, were you not the least bit disappointed in her response?

    Assuming you mean Sandi, you might not have heard what went on after you hung up. I told Sandi that if we are not in the tank for Obama then we need to be able to criticize him publicly or we lose our credibility. She begrudgingly agreed.

    There is a major difference between Sandi and me. Sandi is politically active. She writes for a progressive online publication. She actively tries to get folks elected. When she talks, she represents her own view but with some pressure, I’m sure, from the orgs to which she belongs.

    I on the other hand own a blog where I express my opinion. I try to make it an informed opinion but admittedly sometimes it’s just blowing off emotion. The only thing I have at stake is pride of ownership. I don’t represent an organization. F*ck, contrary to what you guys think, I don’t represent a party. I don’t care if a bunch of liberals get angry at what I have to say. If I did, I would have fallen in line at Fat Grannies even though they couldn’t have been more wrong.

    I’m not claiming to be a McCain style maverick but I’m not tethered to any group. Hell, sometimes I write a post hoping to actually please YOU GUYS.

    Anyway, long winded way of saying Sandi and I come at this from different vantage points and it effects how we handle the issues.

  166. So, do I have this right? The Obamacare cuts to medicare are simply paying hospitals/docs less? And, admist a problem of docs already refusing medicare patients, that’s all there is to it? I thought the plan, back when they were hiding the true nature of Obamacare, was that they were going to cut fat. Instead, they went directly to the supply of doceors? Meaning the cut will be, in the best case scenario, less face time with your doctor? Of course, the worst case is doctors going off the grid and two seperate healthcare markets forming. I will admit. I’m not polished up on this. The law making process was so deceitful, it was tough to be on top of the real deal. What am I missing here?

  167. Man would I love to be a judge on “Chopped” the day Noah competed.

    “Noah, while your rabbit was tender and juicy, your over reliance on the lime juice caused a bitter after taste. That’s why we had to chop you.”

    😆

    P.S. For those who found this too obscure, I’m referring to a show on the Food Network.

  168. I suppose everyone here heard this morning, the Democrats and Obama are coordinating their campaigns, that means every Democrat from the top of the ticket down to all congressional districts will be running on the same issues, mainly contrasting the Obama plan to save Medicare to the Ryan/Romney plan. There has been a great deal of confusion, only yesterday someone here gave the Romney spin version of Obama’s plan here. Now everyone in the country will have the opportunity to learn the facts, hear from both sides, and then compare the plans. Real issue (s), real debate. Now you know why Democrats are so delighted Mitt choose Paul Ryan for his VP. We are in it to win it, Congressional seat by seat….

  169. Tex the stimulus/unemployment chart is epic. Obama also said, when he was predicting all the fruit we will reap for indebting my sons, not to vote for him if he misses the mark. He’s not even in the same galaxy of the mark. This is utter failure

    By the way, I welcome Uncle Joe’s use of the slavery metaphor. The debt clock does represnt chains.

  170. Rutherford, please. I’m finding it almost impossible to have a bit of serious dialogue with you anymore. I gave up with Thor quite some time ago, because both of you operate by slogans and not solutions. I consider neither you serious opponents in the exchange of ideas.

    Take for instance, both of you avoiding discussing something as simple as Dimocrats refusing to produce a budget. You know why Dimocrats have avoided producing a budget? It couldn’t be more clear.

    To avoid being scored.

    If you’re going to defraud, you can’t give people something of substance to evaluate.

    Obama’s entire campaign so far has been based on a series of lies. And this is America you have helped construct. A rational person can’t say, “We are on the wrong path…” like 2/3 of Americans do (God only knows what is wrong with the brainless other 1/3) and then pull the Obama lever without living a contradiction.

  171. I find all this talk about eating rabbits very disturbing. Can we please stop I find it offensive. It’s a hostile environment for me for obvious reasons .

  172. #265 Another confused on the issue, I’ll leave the details to the campaign to explain it to everyone, since it will be the focus of the campaign, you are going to hear a lot about this issue. What you think are cuts to Medicare are actually saving from getting rid of fraud and waste, not any money was taken from patient care. Ryan’s plan does the same thing and uses the exact same figure, but from there what the different plans disagree about is what to do with the money saved by getting rid of fraud and waste. By the way Ryan is already trying to back away from his plan and it seems Romney’s plan, well actually there isn’t a Romney plan, he was planning on using Ryan’s plan. But has sudden realized, after endorsing Ryan’s plan, that the plan is highly unpopular, so they have no plan.

  173. Now you know why Democrats are so delighted Mitt choose Paul Ryan for his VP. We are in it to win it, Congressional seat by seat….

    😐 I want to laugh out loud, but the stilted inanity of this message has left me numb and dumbfounded.

    Do any of you guys figure many moons ago, Newton was a Tupperware rep and 2nd string cheerleader in high school with big bows in her hair?

    Newton always reads like one of those automated phone messages for campaign fund raising. I am amazed she didn’t commit suicide in November 2010.

  174. Newt, where are those cuts coming from? Can you name any or provide a link to the campaign thay spells then out? I thought Rutherford was saying thr cuts come from hospitals being cool with a discount in exchange for millions of new customers. Am I wrong?

  175. Newt, where are those cuts coming from? Can you name any or provide a link to the campaign that spells them out? I thought Rutherford was saying the cuts come from hospitals being cool with a discount in exchange for millions of new customers. Am I wrong?

  176. Rabbit, getting back to my reasoning by Dimocrats are never willing to provide any type of scorecard?

    That graph above is one of the very few absolutes that the Dims, sure of the brilliance of Obama back in 2009 before they had their arrogant balls busted, ever published with a measured promise. They’ve been burned by that graph so many times, it is highly unlikely that numbers will ever enter into any Obama promises again.

    Dimocrats can’t defraud if they make absolutes. And Dimocrats can’t win without defrauding and buying votes. So they talk in platitudes and stir both racial and class division. With a failed record, it’s the only way to win.

    IMO, Obama has given up trying to persuade Independents to vote for him. He’s now trying to scare the liberal arts man haters, the minorities, and the millions of brainless Newton types, hoping a high turn out is just enough. They’ll be some late October surprise by the media concerning Romney or Ryan.

    Between a corrupt MSM in bed with Obama and the massive amount of defrauding accomplished with the helpless and the dependent stooges, it still remains to be seen. I don’t think he can do it anymore. The sham for President is an empty vessel with an abysmal record. The fact the vote might even be close is a sorry testament to our country, even if Romney were to win.

  177. @Tex, or a former Dallas cheerleader. Dear Rabbit don’t you worry dear, you are going to hear plenty about this in the remaining days of the campaign. And no it is savings from fraud and waste calculated over a ten year period, like I said, both Obama and Ryan’s plans agree on this much. The issue is the difference in how the competing plans will use this savings.

  178. It’s so cool that we all have jobs that allow us to spend beaucoup time chatting on the internet.

    Speak for yourself. If I had the proper pipeline of clients and steady work, you’d be seeing a LOT less of me. I know how Tex manages to keep up … he’s semi-retired. As for the rest of the gang, I sometimes wonder how they stay so active.

    I can say this much. If we ever get bombed by Russia I can tell the NYT, Gorilla was on the Internet calling Sandi a b*tch instead of keeping his eye on those incoming missiles. 🙂

  179. Thor, the whitehouse.gov blog article was a great find. There need to be more centralized sources of this kind of information so we don’t have to hunt all over the place for it.

    My only problem — should whitehouse.gov be so partisan? There seems to me something unseemly about the Executive Branch’s web site being so blatantly anti-Republican.

  180. Rabbit, my understanding is the 700 billion out of Medicare effects only the providers and ideally has no impact on the consumers. The savings are “used” to fund other parts of the ACA, which I assume speaks to new organizational infrastructure, etc. The goal is to make the ACA cost neutral or cost containing.

    The liberal perception is that this same amount which is taken out in Ryan’s budget does not get funneled back into health care but funds the tax breaks that will benefit the wealthy.

  181. It hurt me to kill a couple of rats a few years ago.

    Ben the two of us need look no more
    We both found what we were looking for
    With a friend to call my own I’ll never be alone
    And you my friend will see you’ve got a friend in me

    😆

  182. My only problem — should whitehouse.gov be so partisan? There seems to me something unseemly about the Executive Branch’s web site being so blatantly anti-Republican.

    You don’t win without your ministry of propaganda in full swing. Obama and his Chicago henchmen would make Goebbels blush.

    It’s a disgrace that people like are required to pay for shit like that. I’m not kidding when I say I find people like Emanuel, Axelgrease, Podesta, Begala, and the rest of Obama’s cabinet lockstep with the jackboots of Nazi Germany. They are scum – subhuman pieces of filth.

    And they should be treated as such when this is through.

  183. I hope you noted that the feckless shill leftist group the Southern Poverty Law Center called FRC a ‘hate group.’ What a joke.

    I’m pretty sure the crime was categorized as domestic terrorism. That does not satisfy you?

  184. #281 You have got to do more yourself to stay informed, who did your homework back in the day? How difficult is it to listen to the news or read a newspaper? Learn to make informed decisions. :^)

  185. Tex is smoking weed again. He thinks that a line of COUPLES waiting to see Ryan means he’ll get a big women’s vote. LOL What a marooon!!!

    P.S. Tex, when the vast number of women find out Ryan wants to crawl up their vajayjay’s, Romney’s women vote will go out the window.

  186. Rutherford, if memory serves Ryan’s plan got 200 votes, that 200 more than the Messiah yes?

    Admittedly Noah, I don’t understand why Obama’s budget plans were unpopular. I’d need to research it. But I will say this, while party loyalty might have gotten Ryan’s plan passed in the House, when it comes to campaigning, GOPhers are running away from Ryan’s plan in droves.

    In fact, Republican operatives are telling the press off record that they are very worried about down-ticket races this year now that Ryan is attached to Romney at the hip.

  187. Well Rutherford, who should I believe? The incomparably moronic Newton, the blogger who predicted Republicans would soon go the way of the Whigs, or Charles Krauthammer? What a predicament. 🙄

    Krauthammer: Democrats Have “Stepped On A Land Mine With Medicare”

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/08/15/krauthammer_democrats_have_stepped_on_a_land_mine_with_medicare.html

    And trust me, Rutherford. The last place Paul Ryan would want to be is in some rancid, malodorous lib vajayjay. Tex shudders just thinking about being in the same room of the Wattle Jean vajayjay. Choking on ammonia.

    *** GAG *** *** PUKE *** *** VOMIT!!! ***

  188. I’m underwhelmed. After 6 days of stalling and speaking in tongues the Dems are now going to talk about this real debate of the real issues that they supposedly want. Talk about this real debate is right. Wait and see, rabbit. The boomstick is coming for you. Meantime Newt isn’t taking questions.

    But just you wait.

  189. But I will say this, while party loyalty might have gotten Ryan’s plan passed in the House, when it comes to campaigning, GOPhers are running away from Ryan’s plan in droves.

    How hard is it for you to keep up the denial? 😆 They just nominated the man as 2nd in command.

    The only Repubs running from it are phonies like your pal, the now completely irrelevant David Frum, a lib by any other name.

    Man, you desperately need to travel the country for a time. There’s a whole world between Manhattan, Malibu and Shitcago that you don’t know a damn thing about.

  190. Will that qualify me for President?

    This is so bizarre. Newt says it’s not a qualification for President and Tex asks the question as though nothing had been said.

    This ain’t rocket science folks. As I said earlier, likeability is a factor that cannot be ignored in elections. It says NOTHING about competence but it is a factor.

    In the modern era the only man elected to the Presidency that virtually no one liked was Richard Nixon.

  191. Newt, what’s the connection between the ability of babies to pick up on non-verbal communication and the election? That babies are potential voters?

    Newt …. at this point people are just being deliberately thick. You made your point and it has validity. Intuitive people (and babies) find Romney stiff as a board and not genuine. It goes beyond what he says. It’s a vibe.

    Clinton had an opposite vibe. He knows how to make you feel that you are the only one he’s talking to in a crowd. It goes deeper than spoken language. It’s body language, intonation and some intangibles.

    Newt, just a tip for future debates … when the gang piles on like this, it usually means you’ve struck a nerve and they’re royally pissed about it. 😉

  192. From Poolman: A study, written for U.S. Special Operations Command, suggested “clandestinely recruiting or hiring prominent bloggers.” Damn! Shame I’m not prominent! 😡

  193. ”Admittedly Noah, I don’t understand why Obama’s budget plans were unpopular. I’d need to research it. Etc.”

    Does this mean you have to research the plan itself? Or that you need to research why such a fab plan would be so unpopular with people that you constantly refer to as hostile and uncooperative with the president?

    The PLAN, boss. The PLAN!

    What is the plan, Tatoo?

  194. I’m glad Newton has made such an impression on you, Rutherford. You need a larger circle of friends. And frankly, I find Newton your spiritual kinship.

    ————

    You keep telling us Romney is not likeable, but Romney keeps filling the houses anyway. Sometimes, people just want to listen to an adult and not some facetious, smiling comedian. I understand Obama’s tents are about half empty at these tent meetings.

    Maybe Obama is not so endearing as you like to believe.

    I can only speak for myself, but I found Obama a pretentious SOB when he did have his mojo. And when he’s been caught on mic without notice, Obama is simply a mofo.

    Don’t worry. There’s still hope. Perhaps you can pull Hillary Rotten into the mix. Even though she was called racist by you types four years ago, maybe she will forgive and forget. 😉

  195. My wife use to call her hooha Gorilla

    This is an unappealing image I’ve been trying to erase from memory. Leave it to Tex to not let that one rest in peace.

    FWIW, I call mine Richard. He’s very formal. 🙂

  196. Newton, let me be a soft heart and save you a great deal of future insult. Sometimes, ignorance is bliss and you appear to often fall into this category. But just in case…

    Newt, just a tip for future debates … when the gang piles on like this, it usually means you’ve struck a nerve and they’re royally pissed about it.

    Rutherford operates under many a false assumption. This is definitely one of them.

    What it generally means when we “pile on”, and trust me honey, we don’t need to dogpile you to record another sack, is you’ve maximized your patent absurdity quotient and now have moved from simpleton, fawning Obama rube and adulator, to clown on the dunk tank.

    Rutherford is the gravelly voiced instigator, insulting us while we gleefully pick up another couple of balls to throw at the bulls eye, while ignoring him.

  197. Thor, it’s a great ad from Obama regarding welfare. Folks like Gorilla are reaching for straws claiming that because the President didn’t have the authority to issue the waiver program, that ipso facto means the work requirement is gone. It’s sleight of hand that’s pretty disgusting.

    BTW, I’m only accepting G’s “1115” explanation because I don’t have the time to dig into it. Odds are, that’s a crock of sh*t too.

  198. Hey Newton. You do know Senior Corps is a federally sponsored program? 😆

    Was David Axelrod not available to provide retort?

    But I do have one question for you. Exactly how is Obama going to cut out the Medicare Fraud again? Is it just the magic of the Obama named attached?

    Like the Cult of Obama’s personality was going to convince Iran to pound their spears into plowshares?

    Is that how it works?

  199. David Stockman is the GOP’s worst nightmare. A former ally willing to tell the truth about them. A few courageous souls out there like Stockman and David Frum.

  200. Newton, out of curiosity. If you don’t mind.

    How did you get here? Was it Wattle Jeans? Fat Grannies? Did you google something and it caught your attention?

    Rutherford’s uncanny writing ability?

  201. The Republicans actually agreed on a tax increase. it appeared the deal would be sealed, but Obama suddenly asked for more and killed the potential agreement.

    I think it’s more complex than that James. Boehner thought he could negotiate but got pushback from the Tea Party wackos.

    But I do agree with you that Obama does not know how to “work” Congress the way LBJ did.

  202. David Stockman is the GOP’s worst nightmare.

    Oh please. 🙄 Stockman is still a supply sider – one of the creators of the how do you flunkies at math call it?

    Trickle down economics?

    Say contrary to to Obama’s trickle up poverty programs of the last four years.

  203. Ok enough with the oogling Ryan fluff. I was joking. Bored and stuck at the computer and and checking out the talent.

    “Newt …. at this point people are just being deliberately thick. You made your point and it has validity. Intuitive people (and babies) find Romney stiff as a board and not genuine. It goes beyond what he says. It’s a vibe.”

    That’s what you call valid. 🙄

    “Newt, just a tip for future debates … when the gang piles on like this, it usually means you’ve struck a nerve and they’re royally pissed about it. 😉 “

    What did you eat for breakfast, sheepdip? You’ve been practically AWOL since you posted this article. I’m not complaining but your side is a little under represented. There’s nothing more to it than that.

    Newt, I love you like a sister that I’ve never met and have little in common with, but Rutherford isn’t being straight with you. The baby thing was galactically stupid. There’s no evidence whatsoever that babies find Romney not genuine. Which is what he just said is the valid point you are clearly making. That’s the dumbest thing I’ve read since Bat Boy Found in Cave.

    At best it’s an SNL skit.

  204. Yeah, it struck a nerve. Babies hate Romeny. That was relevant stuff. You will defend any and all ding bats. Fear the boom stick.

  205. Muffy I swear I was thinking the same exact thing. SNL skit on partisan politics. Yet, Rutherford ends up defending it as some sort of valid and meaningful analysis. Frustrating….then funny …..then frustrating….then funny. I bounce back and forth on how to address the garbage here.

  206. I’ve already had an exchange about this with Gorilla but I’m curious about some of our other veterans, Rabbit and James in particular — are you at all offended by NBC’s new series “Stars Earn Stripes” where B-list celebs get teamed up with SWAT, special ops and other military folks to engage in war exercises in a competition that makes money for charity?

    I was initially intrigued by the idea. I get a perverse kick every time TV goes down one more rung on the ladder of decency. But the more I thought about it, the more offensive it became to me. I watched the first two-hour episode partly out of morbid curiosity and because my wife and kid were actually enjoying it.

    Any thoughts?

    P.S. I signed the petition at http://www.starsearnstripes.org to ask NBC to add some gravity to the show … like reminding people that folks, including innocents get killed in war. It’s not a game.

    P.P.S. I’m hearing that some veteran’s groups are protesting the series.

    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-stars-earn-stripes-criticism-from-veterans-20120815,0,1262321.story

    Final P.S. And WTF is Wesley Clark doing attaching his name and reputation to this?????

  207. “Tex, I’ve gone on record in the past condemning the way George W was treated at the inauguration. I was mortified. And Obama had NOTHING to do with that.”,/i>

    Fine. Yesterday I heard John Sununu tell Snakebite Donald Trump was wrong to demand further proof that the president was born in the US. When you brought the birther shit up here I said and I quote, “Fuck Trump, that ain’t right.”

    You don’t get to bring it up again. I’m on record condemning it and I am mortified and Romney has NOTHING to do with that.

    Deal?

  208. And WTF is Wesley Clark doing attaching his name and reputation to this?????

    Clark is a lib. Therefore by definition, decency is not part of him and reputation unimportant. Cause celebrity and twisted notoriety becomes the highest calling…

    What’s next? Desperate Ex-Generals of Washington…

  209. Doh. I’m about to learn that you can’t rip into Rutherford and then expect him to fix your dumbass broken tags, aren’t I?

  210. I think I speak for millions Rutherford

    I know you do … and you’re in a bubble my friend. Your being cooped up in the house all day (pot talking to kettle here, so listen up) only compounds matters.

    No matter who gets elected in November, the Union shall survive and as long as a sizable number of us can continue to live our selfish day to day lives, all will be cozy. That’s the sad truth of it.

  211. I’ll make you a deal Newton. I’ll vote for Obama and you can follow me to the voting booth where I will show you my vote, if you’ll sign your name to notarized paper that if Medicare Fraud is not reduced under Obamacare by the end of 2014, you will voluntarily revoke your U.S. citizenship, never to step foot into this country again.

    Do we have a deal?

    I’m confident in about 83 days, we’ll be saying President Romney, V.P. Paul Ryan, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, and House Majority Leader John Boehner.

  212. I thought Rutherford was saying thr cuts come from hospitals being cool with a discount in exchange for millions of new customers. Am I wrong?

    I didn’t say that but I do believe it is part of the logic.

  213. No matter who gets elected in November, the Union shall survive and as long as a sizable number of us can continue to live our selfish day to day lives, all will be cozy. That’s the sad truth of it.

    Survive is a very loose term. I imagine most of will live under Obama, as most of us unlike most libs are self sufficient in some regard.

    It will take years for something as grand as the U.S. to simply disappear like the Assyrians. We would survive even with Taliban Joe Biden as President. You’re missing the point.

    What you never mention are the words thrive or restore. Are you content to slowly slip away, leaving your daughter a debt that can’t possibly be repaid, leaving her into abject poverty, possibly 3rd World status?

    That’s the question you should be asking yourself.

  214. lockstep with the jackboots of Nazi Germany. They are scum – subhuman pieces of filth.

    I had my misgivings but I wouldn’t have gone that far. Cut down on the coffee Tex. 😯

  215. I can’t find anything on what Obamacare will cut out of Medicare. Zilch. I’ve done my homework and apparently failed. Everything I read says most of the cuts will come from simply paying out less. There is no way I’m going to attempt to navigate the bill itself. Nobody knows. Sad.

    Come on Newt. Let me in on the fun. Just give me a link or something. We’re not talking about a hypothetical plan. We’re talking a bill signed into law by Obama. Seriously, we are balls deep into 2012 and nobody knows?

    Lastly, who are the non elected hand full of phantoms who will be making the cuts? Do they have the power to pick and choose what gets covered and what doesn’t?

  216. They just nominated the man as 2nd in command.

    You don’t get the nomination process do you? Tex, even some of Romney’s own advisers were AGAINST the Ryan pick. The THEY you speak of were conservative bloggers and pundits scared to death that Romney was drowning in a sea of off-topic mediocrity. THEY are not running for office in November. The folks who are, are scared to death of being associated with Ryan’s draconian budget.

  217. Wow. Chrome browser for Android. Awesome. I can see what I am typing. Scroll my comment down in the text box. Easily fix mistakes. Good stuff. Took me trying out about 4 web browsers. Now I really don’t need to buy a computer .

  218. we gleefully pick up another couple of balls to throw at the bulls eye, while ignoring him.

    Sadly, as you ignore me, you’re the ones looking like circus clowns.

  219. Muffy, I had a banana for breakfast, followed soon thereafter by a chocolate donut and a mug of tea.

    The focus shouldn’t be on Romney’s baby handling. The focus should be on the larger issue of likeability.

    Now come clean Muffy …. do you find Romney smooth and self assured or awkward and a forced fit? And I’m not talking about when he has Ryan by his side on stage.

    P.S. I fixed your emoticon for you cos that’s the kind of guy I am. 😉

  220. I suppose everyone here heard this morning, the Democrats and Obama are coordinating their campaigns, that means every Democrat from the top of the ticket down to all congressional districts will be running on the same issues, mainly contrasting the Obama plan to save Medicare to the Ryan/Romney plan. ” – Newt

    The greatest thing that couls have happened to the GOP. Dems were running from Obama like the plague before because he is so unpopular, now, they’re tethered. Can you say GOP Senate? If this holds, looks like we might get a trifecta in November…

  221. Newt, who wrote the ACA savings report you posted? Good food for thought. It may contribute to a post I’m thinking of writing although it’s an ambitious undertaking that I’m not sure I have the fortitude for.

  222. Tex, even some of Romney’s own advisers were AGAINST the Ryan pick. The THEY you speak of were conservative bloggers and pundits scared to death that Romney was drowning in a sea of off-topic mediocrity. THEY are not running for office in November. The folks who are, are scared to death of being associated with Ryan’s draconian budget.

    Shouldn’t this delight you then? Romney being associated with these Draconian Budgets? Wouldn’t that insure President Foodstamp four more years? So why all the wailing then? All the links? All the justification of how poor the decision?

    If the roles were reversed, and I knew Obama had just monumentally screwed the pooch, I would be sitting still with a big smile on my face, probably encouraging more of it.

    This reverse psychology game you’re trying to play isn’t working, sport. The more you try to marginalize, the more determined we become. We know Ryan is a superior candidate.

    Of course, there wasn’t a 100% consensus for selection. Nobody would have qualified under your constraints and not everyone is going to be happy. These feckless RINOs are what ails the Republican party. They’re about to go extinct and have in all but D.C. circles.

    Ryan is an attractive candidate, obviously very bright, and one of my two choices (you will remember) to be the Presidential candidate; Rubio being the other. I’m delighted and I can wait another 83 days to see if I was wrong or not. You’ve grown increasingly restless since Ryan was chosen.

    Be still my little wallflower and be happy. Then give us something positive about Obama. How about a fireside chat? 😀

    Now, why don’t you and Thor lay out for me what is Obama’s jobs and regulatory plan? What is Obama’s solution to the trillion dollar plus deficits? What is Obama’s strategy to begin reduction of foodstamp recipients? What is Obama’s plan to prevent Iran from obtaining weapons grade material?

    Can you answer any of these? Because come debate time, you better have formulated your answers for America. I don’t think mocking Ryan’s loose clothing or Romney’s underwear is going to endear Herr Obama to those undecided voters still awaiting an Obama plan – apparently non existent at the moment.

  223. @345 It is govt issue, so I would guess multiple authors, edited by committee, but you have as much right now as I do, Rutherford.

  224. Anybody seen Obama chastising Joe Biden’s mocking sermon about chains yesterday? Hell no.

    It was so bad, even Jesse Jackson’s own race hustling daughter said it was insulting. 😆

    You think Hillary Rotten is going to bail Obama out, Rutherford? I think Obama and you lackeys stepped in it with the Clinton couple about four years ago.

    Shouldn’t have referred to Bill Clinton as racist, should you?

  225. Thor, it’s a great ad from Obama regarding welfare. Folks like Gorilla are reaching for straws claiming that because the President didn’t have the authority to issue the waiver program, that ipso facto means the work requirement is gone. It’s sleight of hand that’s pretty disgusting.

    BTW, I’m only accepting G’s “1115″ explanation because I don’t have the time to dig into it. Odds are, that’s a crock of sh*t too.” – R

    I’m reaching for pointing out that Obama is – again – acting outside the law?! For God’s sake man, I posted the language and links to the law and legal analysis. Can you tell me how this is within the law? Walk away from a 30 sec ad and think for yourself for a moment.

  226. “I’m a bit surprised Barack didn’t get a hernia trying to pick you up.”

    Ziiing!! 😆

    Romney did it just fine. And I liked it. He’s not a pussy like Obama.

  227. “No matter who gets elected in November, the Union shall survive and as long as a sizable number of us can continue to live our selfish day to day lives, all will be cozy. That’s the sad truth of it.”

    Dear Lord. Another Rutherford prediction.

    Time to stock up on shells and bottled water.

  228. Biden’s gonna fake an illness and they’re going to call Hillary in. Either that or he’s going to resign, crying, “I just can’t go on with this hate speech and division coming from the left, I mean the right. Your right, my left. My other left.”

    That’s what they’re working on.

  229. Yeah, Newt’s baby handling analysis. Heavy. Touched a nerve. right dear? (that “dear” shit is Fat Grannies currency).

    Having grown up in Boston, I feel constrained to say, “that’s wicked fucking retaaaaarded.”

    Seriously Newt. How old are you? You use the term “dear” but read like a bubble gum teenager with your “boomstick.” 😆

  230. “Tigre, you’re a pain in the ass on the blog but I bet you’re real fun to hang with.”

    No. I’m a dick in real life too.

    Actually R, as much as Noah takes it too far too often, his gripe is the same one that sets me off. It’s your unwillingness to engage substantive points that are trouble for you by focusing on semantics or irrelevancies. You also have no memory of what was said or so grossly underestimate it there’s no point in debating you most of the time.

    Shit, we’re hundreds of comments over the course of two posts with the gauntlet thrown down. What is Obama’s plan? You won’t even say you don’t know, I can;t locate it, or it doesn’t look like he has one. Nothing. Nothing at all.

  231. “242 ?Samuelson, an award-winning columnist wrote just the opposite, thor.” –

    James, I love you in a manly my-corn-is-shriveling-and-Congress-won’t-help kind of way, but respectfully, David Stockman was the Dir. of OMB under Ronald Reagan during one of the greatest economic recoveries of our time. Give me a link to Samuelson and I’ll read it, but my guess is, he’s probably as vague as Romney. Just opinion and talking points. If you want to know if a Pinto is a piece of shit, do you ask a Pinto salesman or the Ferrari engineer?

    And as far as “award winning” goes, it doesn’t mean anything. Obama and Arafat both won “peace” prizes. How many innocents did they bury? Awards don’t mean shit. I should know. I’ve won plenty of them. 🙂

  232. Hey R, next time you hear from Captain UN, can you ask him about how well Egypt is going…

    A Sky News Arabic correspondent in Cairo confirmed that protestors belonging to the Muslim Brotherhood crucified those opposing Egyptian President Muhammad Morsi naked on trees in front of the presidential palace while abusing others. Likewise, Muslim Brotherhood supporters locked the doors of the media production facilities of 6-October [a major media region in Cairo], where they proceeded to attack several popular journalists.

    And…

  233. I have a small bone to pick with Thor. Wasn’t it you touting Obama’s GM success story? You’ve gone strangely silent as of late when it announced that the American taxpayer will be taking it in the shorts for $25 billion or so. So what’s the deal? 😀

    That’s not really your idea of economic success, is it?

    Then I read this today….

    Three years into their forced marriage with GM, the American taxpayers have seen the value of their investment in GM deteriorate by approximately $24 billion, largely due to continuing European losses. Exposure in Europe has contributed to crushing the value of GM’s stock due to its chaotic and failing Opel unit in Germany. While government, journalists and Wall Street sympathizers have given the Obama Administration and GM leadership an almost incomprehensible pass on this value destruction and massive loss (presumably due to the macro-economic nature of the crisis), it’s time to call for the accountability that this new Board was supposedly going to deliver.

    http://nlpc.org/stories/2012/08/16/auto-bailout-legacy-gms-european-nightmare

    We can speculate all we wish about the pros and cons of Paul Ryan as V.P., Mitt Romney’s likeability, so on and so forth.

    But when do you guys and Newton (whatever that is) going to step up and start selling us on Brack and Biden? I mean, we got four years of results here that require zero conjecture and their mind numbingly horrid. And we ain’t addressing what Obama is going to propose to do differently.

    So when do we start around here talking about the Obama plan? Do you marketing types got anything else you want to sell the American public about Obama’s greatness?

  234. “While you speculate wildly with nothing to back it up, your Messiah has done it …twice? Not maybe, not possibly, he did it, with a total of zero votes.” – Nag

    Obama is Stockman’s Messiah? You do realize those were his words, correct?

    And if you don’t think we’re operating under a de facto budget dressed in the guise of the debt ceiling agreement, you’re blind. But don’t take my word for it, just watch how these rats scramble during the lame duck session. Boehner won’t be returning any calls from Tea Party freshmen, but the career guys will be whining and dealing, trying to save their tax cuts for the rich and restore the DOD budget like deficits are just green beans you can toss in the trash while Mom’s not looking.

  235. “What is Obama’s New Four Year Plan, Rutherford? Thor? Newton?” Why Tex, I thought you knew, I keep hearing it from your side over and over, he is coming for your guns. Why? Because he didn’t do it during his first term, need any more proof than that? LOL

  236. Matter of fact Brother Gorilla, that is my home stomping ground – smack dab in the middle of my suburb. 😀

    As you can tell, President Barack Hussein Obama carries a significant amount of “respect” around these parts. Obama was so popular in Oklahoma in 2008 when he walked on water, he won exactly zero out of seventy-seven counties. Even the Indian casinos didn’t vote for him.

    I can hardly wait to tally up the results this go around. Last I saw, Obama’s approval rating in our fine state was 24%. 😆

  237. Tex, I actually hadn’t heard Sarah Palin’s full quote. Not only did she suggest dumping Biden, she suggested Hillary. LOL She’s such a doofus. Basically saying “here’s how you can beat Romney”.

  238. I keep hearing it from your side over and over, he is coming for your guns. Why? Because he didn’t do it during his first term, need any more proof than that? LOL

    Yes, but is he coming for our ‘bitter clinger religion’ too?

    Got anything else of earth shaking substance? LOL LOL LOL ROFLMAO

  239. @ 262 Tex,

    I would say he made a gross underestimation of the damage done by Republican’ts. You have to put the fire out before you can write the insurance claim. Besides, it just shows he’s as bad as R when it comes to predictions. I could have told you that just from watching his brackets blow up the last two years.

  240. Newt, you’re intellectually naked.

    We’ve asked you seriously to articulate Obama’s plan, and you either can’t or won’t. Now, I think you’re too dense to be malicious, so I’ll go with you have no clue what the plan is. In fact, you’re probably hoping there is a plan and are secure in your ignorance knowing that your betters will at some point actuate that plan, whatever it might be.

  241. She’s such a doofus. Basically saying “here’s how you can beat Romney”.

    Yeah. She really let the cat out of the bag. If only she had kept he mouth shut and let everyone know of Rutherford’s critique of Romney campaign. . . 🙄

    So, what’s Obama’s plan Rutherford? Attack Palin?

  242. Ferrari engineer, Thor? I know Pintos were a piece of crap, but Ferrari, you don’t want to go there, they are a expensive piece of shit.
    Tex, I for one am not here to recruit you. Oklahoma is going red as usual, so what would it matter if we changed your politics?

  243. I don’t know, “R”. I thought that was pretty generous on Palin’s behalf to offer up that good advice.

    Are you proud of Barack’s pick for V.P. as representation? 😛

    Unfortunately, I read this afternoon that Brainy Barack wasn’t brainy enough to accept the advice.

    Someplace, somewhere Hillary Rotten is going to return with a vengeance to finish Obama off. That’s all the sweeter to watch Obama crushed by one of his own.

    Don’t you think?

    Hillary is as vicious as O’BombedA but ten times as capable. That would have added a whole new scenario. Now you clods can once again piss off the Hillary Rotten groupies too.

  244. Newton, have no fear. Texas has taken all our jobs and Oklahoma is perhaps the only Southern state shrinking. Seventy years of Little Dixie Dumbass Dims were too much to overcome.

    Of course, that just means more Republicans moved to the state of Texas. Texas just keeps getting redder and redder.

  245. Tex @ 263

    After she said “He’s a nice guy”, she lost all credibility with me. Everyone knows he’s a mean, Chicago gangster Kenyan bent on bringing atheist socialist calorie-counting totalitarianism to America. 😉

    In all seriousness, a powerful ad, but I think Romney silenced the referendum argument when he picked Ryan. The talk went straight to Medicare, deficits and budgets. But at least we’re not talking about tax returns anymore. 🙂

  246. Besides, it just shows he’s as bad as R when it comes to predictions. I could have told you that just from watching his brackets blow up the last two years.

    Finally something we can agree on.

    However, with your prescience concerning the claims of GM success, wouldn’t you be right there with Brother “R” and President ShamWow concerning the ability to accurately predict the future? Now, I will admit I haven’t seen you throw out the Rutherford Whig claim yet, but…there’s still time.

    I should have entered my bracket last year. It was the first year mine didn’t blow up and I didn’t even bother to enter. 😡 Most of the time, I would be better to let my dog pick my brackets through the first two rounds.

  247. “Hell, sometimes I write a post hoping to actually please YOU GUYS.”

    R, don’t sell yourself short.

    Always write from the heart, not from the mirror. It’ll burn your ass for sure, but it’s the only way we learn from each other. Not a scold, just advice. I personally think the environment you have created here is something you should be proud of. Once again, I don’t say it nearly enough, thank you.

    Not to pick on Sandi, but I kind of agree with the guys here on how she comes across (which is probably totally different than she is in real life). She needs to be less politically active and a little more sexually active. Girl needs some. 😉

  248. “So, what’s Obama’s plan Rutherford? Attack Palin?”

    Evidently, Tigre. I really wouldn’t have believed it if I hadn’t seen it for myself. They need to invent a new word for this level of pathetic.

    You go Gov Wilder. Biden’s toast. And yes, that will help Obama. But it won’t be enough if they don’t finish that plan up and get those talking points out pronto.

  249. @390, Thanks Tex, this year we could just replace Hillary with Mitt, talk about memory loss, I thought it was longer. I love Father Michael Pfleger! LOL

  250. “What am I missing here?” – DR

    They are cuts in OVERPAYMENTS to insurance companies, not beneficiaries. The savings are part of what is used to reduce the doughnut hole. The CBO and the Medicare trustee have both said it has extended the viability of medicare. Ryan’s budget keeps these savings but takes them away from the ACA and adds them to the budget, helping lower the deficit. Romney is saying he will “restore” these cuts, meaning seniors will again get to deal with the doughnut hole so that insurance companies can overcharge. Puts us right back where we were and does nothing to pay down the debt. When Romney says Obama wants to cut benefits for “seniors” he is being very sly. It sounds like benefits are being cut for the elderly, but they are really being cut for senior executives at insurance companies.

  251. Sorry Newt @ 272. I just posted nearly the same thing. I’m like 100 back of you guys so maybe I’ll stop commenting until I catch up. Kudos.

    BTW, R. I don’t know how you do it. For someone that has always sucked off the teat of Gov’t, you actually have a lot “get up and go”. Saul A must be the wind beneath your wings. 😉

  252. Saul A must be the wind beneath your wings. 😉

    No doubt. Tied at the hip.

    For instance….

    “Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.

  253. “Without question they were appeals to race,” Wilder told CNN. “And if you don’t argue with that, then you understand that, then the next question is why? Why do you feel you need to do that? But the more important thing that I got out of this was Biden separated himself from what he accused the people of doing. As a matter of fact what he said is, they are going to do something to y’all, not to me, not us. So he was still involved with that separate America. And I’m sick and tired of being considered something other than an American.”

    Wilder, also a former Richmond mayor, said Secretary of State Hillary Clinton would have made a better Obama running mate and called on Biden to “cool it, back up” and admit that he was wrong.

    “If Hilary were on that ticket today, based on the job she’s done as secretary of state, I think there would be a clearer advantage the president would be seeing,” said Wilder, who was elected Virginia’s governor in 1989 and briefly ran for president in late 1991. “It’s not going to happen. It’s too late. I think she’ll be getting herself together for 2016.”

    “What the president needs to do is to disassociate himself from trying to show anybody that division is what this administration is about,” Wilder told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer.

    Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/08/15/3457510/black-ex-gov-of-va-slams-biden.html#storylink=cpy

  254. @397 Maybe sometime you, Tex, should watch the Rev Wright sermon in its entirety. Oh forget it, look who I’m talking to….

  255. Newt, I don’t forget whom I am talking to. A stooge with selective memory and selective judgment.

    Just make sure you stick around another three months.

    You ready to place that bet on the results yet?

  256. “She needs to be less politically active and a little more sexually active. Girl needs some. 😉 ” -THOR

    Interesting remark, Joe. wink.

  257. OK taking a deeeeep breath. For the rest of you, sorry to bore you but Noah must be accommodated.

    131 from two threads ago:
    Noah I’d venture to guess neither of us lives in the ghetto. I’ve never lived in a ghetto. Have you? If not, then you and I are both conjecturing based on political bias. You think the welfare queen is the norm, someone buying a new car, cable TV and condemning her children to a life in a dangerous poor neighborhood. I believe that is the exception. I think you and I agree that handouts are NOT the answer. Evidence of effort to find work must be part of the system. But I’d ask you to consider this: there are a bunch of middle class folks whose unemployment checks have run out and are a stone’s throw away from losing their homes. Do you find these people shiftless and lazy? Jobs are hard to find for them. Could it be ANY better for a poor person living in the ghetto?

    354 from two threads ago:
    I already answered this in comment 402:
    That contradicts a stat posted by another Obama-hater earlier in the thread who said Bush “Jr” had gone to 88 fundraisers by this time in his reelection bid.

    I wish you guys could agree on which stats to beat Obama over the head with … unless of course all the stats are lies … which I wouldn’t put above the conservative lie-machine.

    Kinda reminds me of when folks like McCarthy and Allen West pull the number of US gov’t Communists out of their ass. 🙂

    [While the Obama’s campaign activities in office have been largely in line with historical trends, he is especially vulnerable to criticism because in 2008 he promised to change how politics works and to curb links with special interests.etc. ]

    One disappointment for me in the past four years was discovering that Obama is a typical politician. I’ve gotten over it. It’s one of several reasons he’s not my “messiah”.

    From 431 two threads ago:
    I see now why I didn’t answer it. I couldn’t find the questions amid the excuses and insults.

    [First question R. How does this statement change the course of the conversation if it is indeed what you 3 claim it is and it is a misstatement or a mistake? How is it relevant to the topic to be spending this much time on it?

    Second. I chose the company I keep carefully. I chose to keep those that hold my values close to me. My friends tend to be fellow church goers, so I have to remember some of the phrases I use around people that have no moral values or consideration for their fellow man are not as clearly understood as those I associate with out in the real world.]

    I highlighted the really obnoxious part. You detoured the conversation by claiming a Chinese saying backed up your Christian beliefs, without identifying it as Chinese … leaving the impression you didn’t know WTF you were talking about.

    As to the portion I highlighted … The “teach a man to fish” meme is not at all foreign to me. It synchs up very nicely in fact with my opportunity vs outcomes argument. It is indeed better to teach a man to fish than to just give him fish. But if you teach a man to fish and then take all the fishing rods and bait with you, you’ve left him right back where he started, haven’t you?

    How bout giving the poor the tools they need (the fishing rod and bait) so they can take advantage of opportunities?

    BTW, I’m ignoring 435 … no need to put words in my mouth.

    I kinda feel bad for you …. was this really worth waiting for? I doubt you’ll think so. 😉

  258. I should have entered my bracket last year. It was the first year mine didn’t blow up and I didn’t even bother to enter. – Tex

    I was crushing it until the kid from NC got hurt. I still would have won big time if Baylor could have won another game. Kentucky was awesome but, I just couldn’t pull the trigger on Cals. The guy can recruit but totally overrated as a game coach. That’s why the play of his point guards is always so crucial. Dude is a slime ball. If he wasn’t a coach he’d of been working at MF Global. (That was for you Rabbit.)

    I’m long on GM. Once this European fiasco gets settled, full speed ahead. But careful with your critical take, after all, it was Romney’s “idea”, remember. 🙂 Oh yeah, and Mr. deficit hawk, make-the-dems-shit-their-pants, voted for it too. 🙂

  259. Long term poor made up the majority, repeat majority, of welfare families until Obama. During the Obama administration, so many new families went on food stamps the majority were no longer the welfare queens.

  260. Why the left gets away with it

    “To be clear, I don’t blame the LGBT or the anti-religion rhetoric spewing from the left-wing blogosphere for the shooting. And when the motive for murder is explicit we shouldn’t mince words. I do, however, object strenuously to the blatant double standard in blame-assignment and the assumption that Christians can only be perpetrators of hate crimes, never the victims. And for those screaming for “civility,” it would be a good idea to look at their own Web sites and their own rhetoric about people of faith. It’s not a pretty picture.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/why-the-left-gets-away-with-it/2012/08/16/b4259772-e7ab-11e1-8487-64e4b2a79ba8_blog.html#pagebreak

  261. Damn … Muffy kinda beat me to the punch. I came up with a conspiracy theory that I shared with my better half at lunchtime that I meant to post here:

    Biden says to Obama: “Look Barack, you need Hillary for you to win this election. Otherwise you’re screwed. I wanna be Sec of State anyway. Drop me from the ticket.”

    Obama: “Can’t do it. I’ll look disloyal and I’ll lose any of the base I’ve got left.”

    Biden: “OK, here’s the deal. How ’bout over the next few weeks I say increasingly offensive sh*t in public so you have no choice but to drop me?”

    Obama: “That just might work. Thanks Joe.”

    Biden: “No problem. This election is a big f*cking deal.”

  262. Here is a link touching on what I said. m.tcpalm.com/news/2012/feb/18/long-term-poor-no-longer-make-up-bulk-of-those/

    I think a lot of us here have lived in the ghetto for at least a year or so. Was our upbringing ghetto? Hell no. But, when Daddy ain’t paying Harvard tuition and you end up on your own as a young man, you got to live somewhere cheap! Besides, in Michigan, you live right next to ghettos. I grew up 2 blocks from a pretty bad one, matter of fact. Inkster, Michigan is not to be fucked with!

  263. I see I have some responses to my Obamacare questions worthy of at least investigating. I have to play a triple header tonight. I will get caught up later.

  264. What is Obama’s plan? You won’t even say you don’t know, I can;t locate it, or it doesn’t look like he has one. Nothing. Nothing at all.

    I’m considering devoting a full post to it based on the repeated demands from you and yours. Trouble is there is no simple URL to throw your way pointing to a 100+ page PDF that really says next to nothing. It has to be pieced together and that will take time. Without knowing it, Newt has been tossing me some fodder for the post should I write it. (No, I’m not referring to baby politics.)

  265. Interesting remark, Joe. wink. – Muffy

    Sorry if it offended. But I was remarking on her tone. I admitted not knowing anything about her. But it wasn’t sexist. I think Nagic needs to get some too. Hey R, how ’bout a special “Dating Game” episode of the radio show? Get these two together. “First we went to the gay bar and then we stopped at a garbage dump to shoot soup cans. It was magic.” I’m sure ET and Tex would pay to make it happen. 😉

    Muffy, you never answered my Cougar Mt. question.

  266. Muffy,

    I’ve gotten so used to the blatant double standards around here, I’ve grown to expect it from the MSM. I used to read Jennifer Rubin often and thought she was pretty good.

    The SPLC is nothing but a hatemongering, leftist shill group of uber liberal, secular Jews who absolute hate Christians. Occasionally, the ACLU will get something right. I haven’t seen Morris Dees get anything right in 15 years.

    Then you get the worst of the worst. Libs that don’t even practice the double standards – they are the enablers: these are the excuse makers for people like Wright and Farrakhan (see above) to excuse the racism because their Obama allies. MSNBC comes to mind too.

  267. “But it wasn’t sexist.”

    Now we get Jay Carney. Listen, it’s no big deal (well it is, but you’re a nice guy and all) – but this is what you (collective) do. You call the Republicans anit-women, anti-black, anti-gay, and you turn around and one up everybody by reducing people to the stereotypes that you find so objectionable.

    Of course it was sexist.

    Sorry Thor. I’mma have Sandi’s back on this.

  268. Oh and I missed the Cougar Mt. question but I wanted to say that Rt. 202 from Marymoor Park to Woodinville was a favorite mind-washer after work. I believe that’s the direction you were asking me to look in my mind’s eye.

  269. I cannot believe that dentist’s office did not hang the f*ck up on Shitheadra within the first minute. I think the best part was seeing how much fun she was having being an ass.

    Wonder how many black girl friends she has?

  270. This is Shitheadra when she’s not being Shitheadra. So I wonder two things. First, at what juncture did her parents lose control? If she were my daughter I’d have two choices. Laugh at her idiocy or smack her upside the head.

    Second, how will she feel about her kids seeing this someday? I guess by then YouTube will be obsolete.

  271. Tell you how bad WNV can be, “R”. I never thought my old man would leave the hospital. Almost three weeks now, and he can’t stand by himself yet.

    And ever since the event, I have been seeing warnings everywhere.

    I doubt my father will ever be the same. The disease if it gets to the central nervous system is insidious.

    I did a little math and figured out my father was a 1 in 15,000 victim of the potential fatal bite.

    And did you note who the most susceptible are? 50 and older. Gulp.

    Sheete…you and I are getting old. 👿

  272. For the rest of you, sorry to bore you but Noah must be accommodated.

    Always passing the buck. You chose to engage my topic, expecting a response is not asking to much…or so I thought. Didn’t I wait like 4 days?

    Noah I’d venture to guess neither of us lives in the ghetto. I’ve never lived in a ghetto. Have you?

    7 years in Muskegon Heights. As ghetto as it gets. Eastown Grand Rapids Mi off Division Street with my NFP for 11 years. So I would say I have extensive knowledge and experience.

    You think the welfare queen is the norm, someone buying a new car, cable TV and condemning her children to a life in a dangerous poor neighborhood. I believe that is the exception.

    Then you don’t have a clue. I have seen hundreds of not thousands of kids who have never known life without food stamps. Who live in the worst places driving cars that would leave you to believe they were a success story.

    I bet you don’t have a clue why. All of my kids almost without exception believe its not a matter if they will end up in jail, but when. So why not live life to its fullest. Why splurge on the future when the future is jail? Spend it in the here and now, have a couple of nice things before its taken away.

    Why is that you ask..not having a clue? Because in the hood, you have to live by a set of rules, not maybe, but HAVE to, to survive. No one has explained to most of these kids why, when they get out into the world outside the hood, these same set of rules that were so crucial for their survival, are what brings them down. It is a self defeating mindset, empowered and perpetuated by the welfare system.

    But I’d ask you to consider this: there are a bunch of middle class folks whose unemployment checks have run out and are a stone’s throw away from losing their homes. Do you find these people shiftless and lazy?

    Not sure the point in asking questions that beg a obvious answer as a response to the question I asked. We need to have programs that are sustainable. That is it. People need to know if they are in trouble, x, y, and z will always be in place to help them. As we stand now we have far more programs that we can hope to sustain, and that is cruel. We need to make cuts where we have to so that in the end we have a set of programs that people can always count on.

    354 from two threads ago:
    I already answered this in comment 402:

    And I said on the 3 or so times I asked for a reply that you gave an glancing answer but largely ignored the question. He did do all those fund raisers. He doesn’t deny it. Why do you still continue to do so? He has campaigned more than the last 5 Presidents combined. Somehow, “well gee, i dunno” doesn’t quite qualify as a answer. But its what you always do when you are pressed with something that sheds bad light on your Messiah. Deflect, distract, and change the subject.

    I see now why I didn’t answer it. I couldn’t find the questions amid the excuses and insults.

    Insults are easy to spot, what were the excuses?

    Also you ignored, what did pointing this out contribute to the conversation? What was the relevance of its origin to the topic at and and how did discovering this change the course of the conversation?

    I kinda feel bad for you …. was this really worth waiting for? I doubt you’ll think so.

    Never feel bad for me. I am very much at peace with my beliefs that at the end of the day I know where I am going. I can give cause and justification for EVERYTHING I believe in. You cannot, you will not, and I bet, you dare not.

  273. Hell Tex, for the first time, I hear about sh*t that’s supposed to happen in the future (like the budget balancing by 2040) and I wonder if I’ll live to see it. Never used to think that way. I can only wonder what goes through my 84 year old Dad’s head. Getting old is a bitch and so is mortality in general. 😦

  274. I will never feign personal knowledge or experience of something that I don’t actually have–and ask you to take my word for that, realizing that there’s no way to prove it. However, I will tell you that Morris Dees may be as odious a human being as has ever lived. He makes John Edwards look like the Husband of the Century.

    Putting that aside, I really do question, Rutherford, why you continue to indulge Nagic. It’s the old thing about getting in the mud with a pig. You just get dirty and the pig likes it. Perhaps Nagic could try out starting his own blog if he’s so determined to try to control things. I certainly view him as detracting from this one to the proverbial fare thee well.

  275. “I have to play a triple header tonight.” – DR

    For God’s sake, wear a cup this time. Don’t want you to have to put the Rabbit Gorilla in the petting zoo for another week. 😉

  276. “but Ferrari, you don’t want to go there, they are a expensive piece of shit.” – Newt

    First the baby thing and now this? I hope you are kidding. If not, you’re hovering dangerously close to the insect drone hangar at Area 51. 🙂

  277. “And Think Progress, the left-wing talking-points manufacturer, is turning itself inside out to insist killing someone for his or her religious-based views is not a hate crime. (You can Google, if you must.)” -Jennifer Rubin

    This seems to be in line with the bizarre reasoning that bigotry isn’t bigotry when it involves bigotry against someone who “can help” what they are.

    Arguing whether or not any or all killings are hate crimes is beside the point, by the way. If there is such a thing at all, this is one of those times.

    Gee Tex. I can’t imagine why you’re so testy sometimes.

  278. “Of course it was sexist.
    Sorry Thor. I’mma have Sandi’s back on this.” Muffy

    Bull crap. You don’t have Sandi’s back. You just like taking shots at people you perceive as lefties. You have never once called out Nagic for saying I only agree with R because I enjoy having his penis shoved up my anus. It’s a shame you judge sexist comments by the type of bumper sticker a person puts on his/her car.

    Again, Sandi, I apologize if I offended you. And I will add, I’m sorry that I gave Muffy the opportunity to exploit you to get to me.

  279. ” I cannot believe that dentist’s office did not hang the f*ck up on Shitheadra within the first minute. I think the best part was seeing how much fun she was having being an ass.”

    Wonder how many black girl friends she has?”

    Not satire?

  280. The neighbors down in Rhode Island have experienced a nice little bit of ACA/ObamaCare Medicare stuff. One of the provisions has looked at improving Medicare quality of care. Sounds good? One of the markers of Medicares quality is readmittance rates. Sounds plausible? Well 9 hospitals in the Ocean State have been levied varying penalties up to the max 1% fine secondary to readmittance rates. Sounds like what???

    One of the “cures” one would assume is to keep patients in the hospital longer and bill Medicare more.
    All in al around 2000 hospitals were fined in the USA to a tune of 280 million dollars.
    Lets do some math.
    Medicare reimbursement IS GOING DOWN
    Medicare penalties are being issued.
    Traditional drivers for cost containment are now potential revenue dings.
    In many ways Medicare is a money loser for medical professionals.
    Where is it likely that more patients will be seen and covered via Medicare?

  281. The SPLC is nothing but a hatemongering, leftist shill group of uber liberal, secular Jews who absolute hate Christians. Occasionally, the ACLU will get something right. I haven’t seen Morris Dees get anything right in 15 years. – Tex

    The SPLC was able to shut down the Aryan Nations compound out at Hayden Lake and put REV. Butler out of business. Something the Feds had tried and failed to do for years.

  282. Thor don’t be such a hypocrite. And I don’t imagine you offended anyone, including me or Sandi. Most women are used to hearing that stuff. A woman shows passion for something other than your donker and you think she needs to spend more time in the bedroom.

    Was it a cheap shot? I don’t know but I don’t think so. I certainly hope not. But YMMV. But you’re going to have to do better than “it was not” and “you didn’t call out Noah.”

    Because I’ve managed to hold it down to about 4 rebukes of Noah so far. You can’t have missed them, I’m not the passive aggressive type.

    I think we’re done here. Peace, man.

  283. “It’s a shame you judge sexist comments by the type of bumper sticker a person puts on his/her car.”

    Thor, that’s exactly why the left gets away with this stuff. It’s like the old Woody Allen joke, let me see if I can find it.

    Here it is:

    Allison: I’m in the midst of doing my thesis.
    Alvy Singer: On what?
    Allison: Political commitment in twentieth century literature.
    Alvy Singer: You, you, you’re like New York, Jewish, left-wing, liberal, intellectual, Central Park West, Brandeis University, the socialist summer camps and the, the father with the Ben Shahn drawings, right, and the really, y’know, strike-oriented kind of, red diaper, stop me before I make a complete imbecile of myself.
    Allison: No, that was wonderful. I love being reduced to a cultural stereotype.
    Alvy Singer: Right, I’m a bigot, I know, but for the left.

    By the way, I’m going to go look and see if the anal sex remark was the one that prompted me to tell Noah to go shit in his hat. 🙂

  284. “Traditional drivers for cost containment are now potential revenue dings.” – Alfie

    Insurance companies overcharging is a driver of cost containment?

    If a woman is shoved out the door to soon after giving birth, and then must be readmitted, and it keeps happening at the same facility, I can see why that would be cause for getting a penalty.

  285. Sorry Thor, Ferraris are in the shop more than they are on the road. Friends of mine had one, she looked good in it that’s for sure, but they had problems with it, I understand their experience is pretty common. I am a get me from point A to point B, in one piece, reasonably comfortable, kind of gal.

  286. Emily, your inference didn’t go unnoticed. Tell ya what kiddo, put your money where your mouth is. Bring your ass on over to Michigan, visit our little place here in GR. You want to talk out the side of your ass about something you know nothing about, then put up or shut up. $100 dollars is yours for anything I have posted on here that isn’t exactly as I have said it. That is $100 for each thing, unlimited to as much as you can find. For each thing we find that is true, you can cough up a $20 into our donation coffers. Can’t get better odds than that. I will be happy to have my wife give you the tour if yus afraids of the big mean Conservative.

  287. what an odd rant. I have no idea what you are talking about. I objected to your continued rudeness–demanding that the host of this great blog respond to your questions and insulting him when he does not leap at your command. Constantly using this “Messiah” crapola. Accusing him and others who don’t answer you in the way you want them to of lacking in character. I have no idea what on earth visiting Michigan could possibly refute about those points–and those are the ones that I object to. As I’ve said before, having lurked here for a long time, even the most vociferous posters, even Tex at his most Tex-ish, don’t do what you do. So keep your money because I can judge whether you are being a tool by your posts and going to “GR” (Grand Rapids?) doesn’t add to the mix.

  288. Oh, and you seem unable/unwilling to appreciate that not everyone who disagrees with you is liberal. I’m the disappointed Huntsman supporter. But I suppose it’s easier to lump people who disapprove of you into the “lefty” category than to ask yourself whether they object to you for reasons having nothing to do with politics.

  289. I couldn’t find the anal sex remark and I stopped looking when I remembered that when you first showed up here you casually used the term “tea-bagger” to define members of the tea party.

    Go shit in your hat Thor. I’m going fishin’…

  290. The SPLC was able to shut down the Aryan Nations compound out at Hayden Lake and put REV. Butler out of business. Something the Feds had tried and failed to do for years.

    The SPLC is nothing but a hatemongering, leftist shill group of uber liberal, secular Jews who absolutely hate Christians. Occasionally, the ACLU will get something right. I haven’t seen Morris Dees get anything right in 15 12 years. 😉

  291. I think we’re done here. Peace, man. – Muffy

    How ’bout I get the last word, and then we’re done.

    “Yeah, exactly. Fuck that bitch for the hack she is.” G

    Sexist? Of course not, that was G.

    “If you start talking about your vagina and how it empowers you, or your front butt, I’ll know Helen has ‘brung’ us a visit.”

    Sexist, hell no, that was Tex.

    You’re not helping your cause Newt. You’re just showing a lack of depth and prurient projection. – ET

    Sexist? ET, no way. He’s voting for Romney.

    “She’s an inch deep, and probably waiting …for the sausage…
    Guess it better be a short sausage.”

    Sexist? Well R is no rightie but I guess he must be to the right of me. Or else you’re just pandering to the host. No Muffy call-out here, either.

    These were all on just this thread. Ample opportunity for the sexist police. But you chose to call out my comment alone. Being uptight because you haven’t gotten some is not a girl or guy thing. It’s a human thing. If I said it was because she was on her period, or because her biological clock was ticking, sure, valid point. But that wasn’t the case, was it.

    You are the one acting hypocritical. Now I think we’re done. And I am at peace, maybe you should find your own.

  292. Thor: Yes, they accomplished some good things. – E

    It was the first and last time I heard about them. Just wanted to point out what appears to be their only success.

  293. But let’s get real about the SPLC, Thor. Morris Dees is world class Christian hater and bigot, who labeled the FRC a hate group because they won’t bend to the provocative gay causes like gay marriage.

    So where is Morris Dees today after an admitted pussified LGBT activist tried to kill at the FRC headquarters? {crickets}. Not only is Dees a scumbag, but he’s a coward.

    So I am now labeling the SPLC a hate group.

    The only thing that really irritates me about the whole ordeal, knowing how absolutely vicious this gay activists are like you pal Dan Savage, is they didn’t blow the terrorist bastard’s balls off or kill him.

    Don’t shoot me! Don’t shoot me! KABOOM! had I been the security guard six times, then reloaded for a couple of head shots, afterwards passing out his 15 Chick-Fil-A’s to be consumed.

  294. Was I just labeled a sexist? 😆

    Oh well. Flake called me one too. Or was it misogynist? All these charges start to run together.

    Racist, homophobe, Islamophobe, misogynist, and sexist. Does that cover all the bases? I’m running out of room on my lapel for these badges.

  295. Ferraris are in the shop more than they are on the road. – Newt

    You don’t take your Ferrari to the “shop”. You send it back to the factory. Would you throw your Steinway on top of your Pinto and take it down to Mr. Burt’s Mouth Harp Emporium to be tuned? 🙂

  296. and anyone who speaks of his wife the way you do is not a sexist. My impression is that you don’t suffer people you perceive as fools gladly, regardless of gender, but that you are basically chivalrous about women.

  297. Emily, my five favorite people in the world are (1) Wifey, (2)&(3) Daughters, (4) Mom, (5) Sister Tex.

    I got a lot of faults. Not loving women ain’t one of them. I mean like I’ve said here before, my own wife said I should have been a girl. 😈

    Contrary to Rutherford’s popular belief since I’ve run a few of the nags off, I generally like women more than men. I just don’t like liberal women. 😀 You can only talk about sports and female anatomy for so long before I get bored.

    But the world would be really boring with males – as my three male dogs have taught me. My female lab may have been the best pet, but her three brothers made the world most fun.

  298. Was I just labeled a sexist? – Tex

    No, I wasn’t calling any of you sexist. I was simply pointing out that my comment was no more or less sexist than any of these others she simply didn’t deem worthy of blasting. It took me about the same amount of time to consume a sandwich as it did to compile this list.

    And as far as Tea Baggers, I actually apologized to Tex for that once I realized how truly offensive it was, and I’ll apologize again right here to you Muffy. I just thought it was funny. But tell me honestly, if OWS had named themselves after a legendary group in the French Revolution, one that say used a furnace bellows to pull meat such as male chickens by vacuum through the plumbing of the Bastille to feed starving political prisoners, thus fondly referred to by Jefferson and others as “The Cock Suckers” and OWS was too Google impaired to know it was also the name of a sex act, tell me these guys wouldn’t have referred to it over and over again.

  299. “I’m considering devoting a full post to it based on the repeated demands from you and yours.”

    Don’t just consider it. Do what Obama hasn’t done and deliver the goods. I gottta wonder why this is such a chore, but we asked and you seem to think you can cobble together whatever Frankenstein plan you think he has.

  300. Damn Thor. A little sensitive? Hell of a list though (didn’t get the one directed at me, but for I a one-sandwich shot at all-inclusive reverences, not bad).

    Thor looks like you’re in need of a jolly good rogering.

  301. Thor looks like you’re in need of a jolly good rogering. – ET

    🙂 You sexist bastage!

    didn’t get the one directed at me,

    prurient? Uh oh, maybe I’m in for another “Tar Baby” moment. 😉

  302. Thor,

    Stop being a baby.

    ”I just thought it was funny.”

    Yep. It’s funny when you do it, not so much when it’s done to you. The left call names and accuses hypocrisy and attacks families and they call it satire. The right dishes it back and it’s called hate.

    I’ve already dealt with your tea-bagger hypocrisy, and I’m not interested in either an apology or a rationalization.

    Pandering to the host? *Cough cough blow job cough cough* Nobody panders to the host more than you do, Thor. Nobody.

    See what I did there? Now was what I just said sexist? I don’t think so. Sexual imagery to illustrate a situation? Yes.

    None of your examples move me to call out any of them as sexist. Some are sexual – like the sausage one. Play on words about congress and sausage making. Funny, not mean. Tigre’s I didn’t even understand. 😆 Sorry. Tex’s? Please. Now who’s uptight?

    The only thing that comes close in all of your “research” is the use of a single word – “bitch.” And since G would just as easily have used the word prick if he was referring to a male, I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt.

    Now I have not heard this commonly used with regard to men. So maybe you have a point at feeling blindsided if this is a common things for men to say about other men.

    So if I’m a hypocrite, so be it. I lean to the right, you lean to the left. It’s bound to happen. You’re not not used to being on the receiving end. You’ve called plenty of Republicans hypocrites for thinner reasons than I’m giving, and you’ve laid that label on the group here a number of times. I think you’re just pissed and hypersensitive because you’re not used to it being flung at you like we are.

    So I’m not calling you sexist, I don’t know you well enough to say that about you. I still think what you said was sexist, but if you go around telling of both sexes that they need to get laid, well then maybe it wasn’t so sexist after all.

    Peace.

  303. G says to “Listen carefully…” to a video with an Obama spokesperson talking to John Ralston of Arizona.

    I listened. I even read the title of the video. So what G? You hearing voices in your head? Why would 700 billion be cut from Medicare if it was essential? That’s the whole point.

    Put down the pipe G. Put down the pipe.

  304. @ R re: Shitheadra. Fuck. Lighten up. Your predictable reaction doesn’t embarrass or affect me. Really. Target missed.

    As I read your retort, my wife just had on “Are you Smarter than a Fifth Grader” on in the background. The guest was Larry the Cable Guy. He does a shtick with others that parody rednecks. Especially if one has the fortitude to be self-deprecating, mocking the stereotypes can be humorous. If you didn’t know it, LTCG is not a redneck, it’s a character he developed. I now realize how truly offensive and juvenile it is for him to go around “Boratting” people with his shtick. 🙄

    The reason the office worker didn’t hang up is because the imitation was good one. Yes R. She sounds exactly some of the people you never encounter. If you don’t find it funny, fine. But your simulated offense is lame. Give it a rest.

  305. Just read through the last twenty or so comments and I feel like I am the only one at a cocktail party drinking plain water. But you all had fun, right? Next time a two drink limit?

  306. I checked out Shitheadra’s other videos besides the one that R posted. She’s funny, no two ways about it. Genuinely talented. So’s her sister. If they’re entirely unscripted that is some of the best improv I’ve seen in a while.

    Then again, I thought the Jerky Boys were hysterical too and they’re not for everybody. Plenty of accents there too. Are accents forbidden now?

    She’s (the girl, not just the Shitheadra character) got it over on anyone on SNL in the past 10 years.

  307. I got to thinking about Rutherford’s comment about no matter who wins, everything is going to just keep right on ticking along. The line of thinking is incredibly dumb in my book. History is replete with examples demonstrating how certifiably false it is to think any country can’t be completely broken – virtually overnight. That’s the height of hubris and historical ignorance.

    And it galls me that an educated man could be so naive to think there’s little risk in accumulating huge deficits. I mean, of all people here, you Rutherford ought to be the first to understand how fast your creature comforts can disappear.

    Then I remembered the creed of all progressives I meet:

    We don’t do math. We do feelings.

    Of all your weaknesses, and they are legion, you really need to revert back to college and take another stab at basic mathematics, Brother “R”.

    You couldn’t be more wrong this time around.

  308. Shitranda is funny shit. My wife cracked up too. The ” have a blessed day” part cracked me up the most. That chick is nuts though. I’d be scared to death if I was her. She’s pissed some people off, I’m sure.

  309. “You couldn’t be more wrong this time around.”

    Mmhmm.

    You also said a day or two ago, “I think the worm has turned.”

    The worm has turned.

  310. Tex, this country has faced worse and persevered, shoulder to the wheel together we’ll get through this too.

  311. Ha ha….The Spokane dandy doth protest too much, me thinks.”

    Thor don’t worry about them batches. Just admit to being sexist and try to manage it to the best of your ability.

  312. Shoulder to wheel we are fucked. No, we don’t always pull through. One time we slaughtered ourselves to the tune of over a half million. Tex said it better then I could. Shoulder shrugging the debt is suicidal. The status quo can’t continue. The global economy is a tinder box as we speak. Look around and what do you see? Sovereign debt out of control. Now imagine 6 trillion dollars of side bets intertwined in all that debt. A labyrinth of contagion. This shit is hanging on by a thread. We have to take some licks. Austerity is the only option. Obama is a maniacal spender. Maybe Romney would have the courage. Maybe.

  313. “I think you’re just pissed and hypersensitive because you’re not used to it being flung at you like we are.” – Muffy

    WTF? I got “probed” on day one at this place. I’ve been called rube, liar, traitor, moron, beyond stupid, leftist, socialist, fascist, propagandist, thorazine, lib, hater, suckup, piece of shit and Spokane dandy (whatever that is, 🙂 ). And that’s just off the top of my head. If I was hypersensitive, I would have left a long time ago. And I’m not pissed. All I did was defend myself.

    And when I agree with R, I don’t mind telling him. When I disagree with him, I tell him too. I don’t suck up.

    “I still think what you said was sexist, but if you go around telling of both sexes that they need to get laid, well then maybe it wasn’t so sexist after all.” – Muffy

    Exactly.

  314. “The global economy is a tinder box as we speak.” DR

    And that Mayan prophecy is crawling up our ass too. 🙂

    Come on Nostradamus. Quit your griping and let’s get to work. Restore Glass-Steagal. Lift the FICA cap. Restore Clinton era tax structure. Bring the boys (and girls) home. Sensible Medicare overhaul. Sensible education system. Responsible cuts to the D.O.D. Vote.

  315. Newt @ 439.

    Typical isn’t it. Perry, Bachman and Issa all did the same thing, solicited the money, I mean. Ryan might be the only one that lied about it. Looks like Mr. Eye Candy is turning into a Milk Dud. 😉

  316. I agree with Tex 469. Obama is a game changer. He is our first real socialist who also believes the United States should occupy a more modest position in world affairs He will have no restraints if he wins a second term, and he will appoint several Supreme Court justices as well as other judges.

    Its possible the pendulum will swing the other way during the following election, but as we have discussed before, the number of people dependent on the government is nearing critical mass.

    Obama may not destroy our way of life, but he will damage us.

    478 thor, I agree with much of your last paragraph, but Obama won’t deliver. He has a record.

  317. I meant about our being reasonable, thor. Our economy improved after the Republicans and Clinton compromised.

    Ryan is far from a milk dud. According to an Omaha radio station, he is becoming something of a sex symbol.

    The Washington Post says that Obama, not the Republicans is the primary threat to Medicare as we know it. Obama has also potentially weakened Medicare Advantage. PolitFact.com proclaims the Democratic attack as the lie of the year.

  318. Bruce Springsteen is coming to Omaha. The promoters are experimenting with paperless tickets. All you need are a credit card and valid ID.

    This is wrong by the standards of people who claim using voter IDS is racist voter supression, because it is too hard or expensive to get an ID. I didn’t know the Boss disliked like black or old people.

  319. The New York Times reports that criminal charges against Corzine or other top executives of MF Global are unlikely. The vanished billion dollars might have been incompetence, not corruption.

    Corzine is a friend of Barack, and he was nearly hired as Secretary of Treasury. Tim

  320. “Yeah, exactly. Fuck that bitch for the hack she is.” G” – Thor

    Thor, leave me the fuck out of your whining. Just for the record, I’ve told R, Piss Pot, Yellow Bitch, Greybitch and at least half a dozen more to go fuck themselves too.

    I’m equal opportunity.

  321. Abbott & Costello explain the Federal Gov’s Unemployment Numbers

    COSTELLO: I want to talk about the unemployment rate in America.

    ABBOTT: Good Subject. Terrible Times. It’s 9%.

    COSTELLO: That many people are out of work?

    ABBOTT: No, that’s 16%.

    COSTELLO: You just said 9%.

    ABBOTT: 9% Unemployed.

    COSTELLO: Right 9% out of work.

    ABBOTT: No, that’s 16%.

    COSTELLO: Okay, so it’s 16% unemployed.

    ABBOTT: No, that’s 9% .

    COSTELLO: WAIT A MINUTE. Is it 9% or 16%?

    ABBOTT: 9% are unemployed. 16% are out of work.

    COSTELLO: IF you are out of work you are unemployed.

    ABBOTT: No, you can’t count the “Out of Work” as the unemployed. You have to look for work to be unemployed.

    COSTELLO: BUT THEY ARE OUT OF WORK!!!

    ABBOTT: No, you miss my point.

    COSTELLO: What point?

    ABBOTT: Someone who doesn’t look for work, can’t be counted with those who look for work. It wouldn’t be fair.

    COSTELLO: To whom?

    ABBOTT: The unemployed.

    COSTELLO: But they are ALL out of work.

    ABBOTT: No, the unemployed are actively looking for work. Those who are out of work stopped looking. They gave up. And, if you give up, you are no longer in the ranks of the unemployed.

    COSTELLO: So if you’re off the unemployment roles, that would count as less unemployment?

    ABBOTT: Unemployment would go down. Absolutely!

    COSTELLO: The unemployment just goes down because you don’t look for work?

    ABBOTT: Absolutely it goes down. That’s how you get to 9%. Otherwise it would be 16%. You don’t want to read about 16% unemployment, do ya?

    COSTELLO: That would be frightening.

    ABBOTT: Absolutely.

    COSTELLO: Wait, I got a question for you. That means there are two ways to bring down the unemployment number?

    ABBOTT: Two ways is correct.

    COSTELLO: Unemployment can go down if someone gets a job?

    ABBOTT: Correct.

    COSTELLO: And unemployment can also go down if you stop looking for a job?

    ABBOTT: Bingo.

    COSTELLO: So there are two ways to bring unemployment down, and the easier of the two is to just stop looking for work.

    ABBOTT: Now you’re thinking like an economist.

    COSTELLO: I don’t even know what the hell I just said!

    ABBOTT: Now you’re thinking like a politician.

  322. The Obama campaign strikes another low blow with a TV spot accusing Mitt Romney of “personally” approving a notoriously abusive tax-avoidance scheme and suggesting he may have paid “zero” tax. That’s badly misleading.

    It wasn’t Romney who was avoiding taxes, it was Marriott Corp. And there’s no evidence to support the ad’s speculation that Romney himself paid no income tax, or that he did something illegal. The tax scheme didn’t benefit Romney, Marriott isn’t solely responsible for “one of the largest tax avoidance schemes in history,” “Avoidance” is not illegal.

    _________

    The Obama campaign is out with another ad making the false claim that Mitt Romney “backed a bill that outlaws all abortion, even in cases of rape and incest.” Romney’s consistent position through this campaign, and the last, and as far back as 2005, is that he opposes abortion except in cases when the life of the mother is in danger, and in cases of rape and incest.

    The Obama campaign is a repeat offender with this distortion of Romney’s position on abortion. Then, as now, the Obama campaign rests its claim, in part, on an answer Romney gave during a 2007 debate, when he was asked if he would sign legislation to ban “all abortion” — assuming, hypothetically, that Roe v. Wade had been overturned. He gave a rambling response that ended by saying he’d be “delighted to sign it,” if there was a national consensus for it. But, he said, “that’s not where America is today.” Neither rape not incest were mentioned in the question, or in Romney’s answer. Meanwhile, Romney made clear — both before and after that debate — that his fuller position was that he opposes abortion except in cases of rape, incest or to save the life of the mother.

    Most recently, Romney reaffirmed that position in a June 18, 2011, piece in National Review called “My Pro-Life Pledge,” his most fully articulated position on abortion during the current campaign. The piece begins: “I am pro-life and believe that abortion should be limited to only instances of rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother.”

  323. Yes, it is true Rutherford, we have little chance of changing minds. but there are other benefits. We are forced to defend ourselves and in so doing we must examine why we believe as we do.

    Unknown benefits accrue. I met a man on a now dead message board who was a newspaper writer. He edited a farmers almanac for a former New York City boss. After he learned about my interest in weather, he asked me to guess the national weather for the almanac. A pro did too.

    I did the job for three years until my friend left writing for the oil business.A neighbor was impressed because my guess was as good as the pros, and a former classmate, a cheerleader and one of the hottest girls in school stumbled across my predictions in a Barnes and Noble book store.She was impressed.

    Four of us met face to face more than once.

    So don’t be discouraged, Rutherford. Life is full of surprises, and one never knows what can happen even with a small blot.

  324. R, Biden is just a dumbass. Setting him up to look like a pitiful moron in order to fire him before the convention makes zero sense. So does your vote for the dynamic duo. Obama’s pick of a side-kick sure says something about his judgment, right? 🙄

    Biden attempting a “gracefully” bow-out (e.g. *snicker* — “I’ve decided I’d like to focus on something else, I’ve had enough — time for someone else”) however makes sense.

    Biden is really too stupid and dishonest to know that his stupidity and dishonesty are a drag. Funny in an ironic way when stacked against your weird, Freudian, mommy-issue-driven, PDS.

    I am truly loving the Ryan attacks from the WH and its propaganda machines dutifully restated by you, Newt and Thor with a complete lack of self-awareness as to how things are perceived by those that count (i.e. non MSNBCers).

  325. “We don’t do math. We do feelings.”

    😆 😆 😆 😆

    Make that a bumper sticker and I will make you a wealthy man. All of my liberal friends will have that plastered to their hybrids.

  326. That is another benefit of arguing politics, one has the chance to say “I told you so.” Conservatives have done a lot of that this year.
    “a total lack of self awareness.” I think Biden believes what he says.

  327. James, I am completely stunned by the whole MF Global debacle but confess that I need to learn more. Are you aware what Corzine did? As I understand it, those bastards pledged uninsured client deposit/brokerage accounts as collateral for their currency/international market speculation. When the funds “went missing” it’s because the collateral was called by the foreign creditors (like a margin account). If that’s not illegal (and apparently it is not) be VERY, VERY afraid.

    Where’s Obama on all of this? Oh yeah, demanding to see Mitt’s tax returns. 🙄

  328. WTF? I got “probed” on day one at this place. I’ve been called rube, liar, traitor, moron, beyond stupid, leftist, socialist, fascist, propagandist, thorazine, lib, hater, suckup, piece of shit and Spokane dandy (whatever that is, 🙂 ).

    😆 You forgot pinko, lowlife, math flunky, toady, lackey, turd, and cocksucker. 😆

    I think you’re getting soft, or something. Toughen up. I do admit the Spokane Dandy was an awfully low blow. Rabbit has a gift.

    —————

    Just for the record, I’ve told R, Piss Pot, Yellow Bitch, Greybitch and at least half a dozen more to go fuck themselves too.

    I’m equal opportunity.

    😆 😆 😆

    It’s like reading code and I understood every bit of that. Hey Gorilla ain’t got nothing on me. I find every liberal equally worthless and weak. I hate them all. 😈

    Cept Rutherford. And Jim Dougan, RIP.

  329. Hey “R” baby. You guys from the Left ready to talk about some serious issues instead of Ryan’s body fat or Romney’s tax returns?

    When you and Thor pen that blog about Obama’s big plan for economic recovery, years 5-8, perhaps you can help to answer a few questions while you’re at it. Fair questions for you from Glenn Reynolds:

    1) Why are Obama’s growth and job estimates so far off, so consistently?

    2) If we grow at 1 to 2 percent, as most economists think, what happens to the deficit and what impact will Obama’s tax hikes have on the ‘recovery’?

    3) Why didn’t the $1.2 trillion (interest included) stimulus deliver the uptick Obama promised? Why would another, smaller variation of that work?”

    As a reminder of Barack’s First Term (and hopefully last term) economic magic:

    Obama inconsistent on pace of economic recovery

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obama-inconsistent-on-pace-of-economic-recovery/2012/08/14/45533a3c-e627-11e1-936a-b801f1abab19_story.html

  330. “Yes Thor. Use the dark side. I sense a great anger in you.” – DR
    Funny 🙂

    All is better in my world this morning. Or did you not notice the 90 second gap in my posting of bile last night? 😉

    BTW, couldn’t get your link to work, but I’m guessing Cheney?

  331. I keep hearing it from your side over and over, he is coming for your guns. Why? Because he didn’t do it during his first term, need any more proof than that? LOL

    This is classic. All the nightmarish things Obama didn’t do in the first term, he’s going to do in the second term … why? Because he can!

  332. “Looks like a few Leftists here will be eating crow.” – Nagic

    Yeah, I loved it when Mitt held those papers right in Harry’s face and said read ’em and weep loser! Oh uh …. he DIDN”T release them? Errr … that’s showing ’em.

  333. There must be a poll showing that the Democrats‘ demand to see 10 years of Mitt Romney’s taxes has gained some traction with undecided voters. If not, what could possibly explain the total obsession with the topic displayed by MSNBC‘s Lawrence O’Donnell?

    MSNBC Host Calls Mitt A Tax Criminal and Ann Romney Angry

    During just one segment on last night‘s episode of O’Donnell’s 10PM show (Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell), the host:

    Referred to Romney’s tax returns as “secret tax returns” on three separate occasions

    Called the former governor “stupid” and a “tax criminal”

    Boldly stated “I strongly suspect there is a tax felony in his tax returns”

    Twice depicted Mrs. Romney as “the angry Mrs. Romney”

    No media bias right?

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/msnbc-host-mitt-is-a-tax-criminal-made-stupid-amateur-mistiake-his-wife-is-angry/

  334. You want to see a Great Example of the current state of the Dimocratic Party? No wonder Obama appears to be brilliant to these idiots.

    I have not witnessed this much dumb ass in one interview since before Joe Biden was closeted for gross incompetence. And guess who appointed this Raggedy Ann, glue head to her position of head of the DNC? That’s right. Joe Biden.

    Watch what real idiocy in action looks like. This loon actually has a certificate in political campaigning from the University of Florida. Who knew you could get a Masters in political campaigning? 😆

    Make sure you stick with it. The longer it goes, the worse this moron gets. And remember, this is top dawg of the DNC:

  335. Someplace, somewhere Hillary Rotten is going to return with a vengeance to finish Obama off.

    Well, I can give you the exact scenario. If you read the link I posted earlier in the thread, there is a nutty theory out there that should Barack lose in November, he will try to pull a Grover Cleveland. Think about that — 2016 — Obama runs again but gets primary’d by Hillary. 2008 all over again.

  336. “You forgot pinko, lowlife, math flunky, toady, lackey, turd, and cocksucker.” – Tex

    LOL. I did give the caveat that it was off the top of my head. 🙂

    I honestly don’t know what the Dandy thing is. I’m assuming it’s not ghetto. 🙂

    Le Cock Suckers! To the Bastille!

  337. In all seriousness, a powerful ad,

    Ahhh but Thor powerful though that ad may have been (and I DO agree with you, it was powerful), the coup de grace would have been having a black in the ad. OUCH!!!! To have a brother or sister say Obama let them down? Sheeeeut, that would have stung.

    But again, that speaks to GOP shortsightedness. They don’t reach out to the black community for anything. Total a$$holes.

  338. Wow. A deity of the Messiah’s means doesn’t help with his brothers $1000 hospital bill. One of Obama’s favorite phrases comes right out of the Bible: “We are our brother’s keeper.” Yet he has not contributed a penny to help his own brother. And evidently George does not believe, even in times of emergency, that he can turn to his brother in the White House for help.

    So much for spreading the wealth around. Guess that only applies to other people’s money.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/i-have-no-one-else-to-ask-dinesh-dsouza-says-he-paid-hospital-bill-for-obamas-half-brother/

  339. Always write from the heart, not from the mirror.

    Thor that’s always my goal. What I was getting at was sometimes I actually do find myself agreeing with the League of Vermin Voters and I do wonder when I hit “Publish” how they will react. But ultimately, I write to please myself, liberals and GOPhers be damned.

  340. Tex @ 510.

    She’s there for one reason, carry Florida.

    Oh, I get it. The people who couldn’t understand the butterfly ballots. Debbie Whatshername is off to a really strong start.

    Raggedy’s county is already secular, Lib, Dim. They’ll already be pulling that straight Dim Ticket. At best, glue head won’t add a thing. With outstanding performances like this, she might put a couple of chinks in the armor, though.

    Couldn’t you guys and gals at least have found somebody that knows the difference between 65 and 55?

  341. R @ 516

    Bingo.

    And just a warning. You might want to skip about 450-500. Me and Muffy got in a cat fight last night. She was defending the world against sexist leftists. I, of course, was whining. 🙂

  342. The last thing I remember is someone handing me a glass of punch and telling me to go take some shots at the first leftie I see.

  343. Muffy saluted Gov Wilder and I have to agree. Watch this interview with Neil Cavuto. It’s funny to hear Wilder chuckle at what a knucklehead Biden can be.

    But I also want to take this opportunity to repeat that WORDS MATTER. I get lots of heat from Noah and Tigre because I make a big deal over semantics. Think about this notion raised by Wilder:

    “They’re gonna put y’all back in chains.”
    “They’re gonna have us all back in chains.”

    Just a couple of words difference but the two sentences convey very different messages. As Wilder says, “put y’all back in chains” does not include Biden himself. There is an implicit “I’ll be fine but YOU guys are f*cked.” He separates himself from his black audience and essentially condescends to them. And it all revolves around the choice of “y’all” vs “us”.

    Sorry boys … words matter. And I will continue to nail your asses when you choose your words poorly.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/15/black-ex-gov-va-slams-biden-for-chains-remark/

  344. Rutherford, Dear Brother.

    If Michael Pfleger is a God’s messenger, we’ve got much larger problems than Obama as President, second term. Much, much larger problems.

    That’s one thing that really does burn me about the powers of the Catholic Church. I had the absolute highest respect for John Paul. What an absolutely wonderful Pope and great man. On my coffee table we have two large books prominent. One is the life story of Billy Graham’s Evangelical Missions – on the other side is one of John Paul. But…

    It is like the pedophilia scandal. The Catholic Church could have made an incredibly powerful statement by helping to push these scumbag molesters straight into prison and roundly condemned them as of the devil. Instead, they tried to cover up and provided all the ammunition your type needed to castigate Christianity as phony and derelict. Stupid and weak.

    That act alone causes more damage to the cause of Christ than a million Richard Dawkins bozos could ever hope to accomplish. Same with allowing these charlatan Pfleger types and these feminist nuns, both nothing but corrupt activists posing a Good Samaritans, to remain somehow affiliated with the Catholic Church. As Bill O’Reilly accurately said earlier this week, all tyrants have had some good qualities to endear themselves once upon a time.

    I’ve been telling Christians for years – you want to change the culture? Then clean up your own backyard first. And in large part, Christians have done an incredibly poor job of the task at hand.

    I am ashamed I have to admit that to an unbeliever like you.

  345. And while you spend your life piddling around with semantics, the rest of the thinking world moved on after they said, “that was wrong, insensitive, and an ignorant thing to say”

    I hope I am getting better but was that shade of gray #32 there Rutherford?

  346. “Raggedy’s county is already secular, Lib, Dim.” – Tex.

    She’s safe in her district, so she can concentrate on the presidential race. She has ties to the states political machinery. In states where the Governor is in your party, they become your access to the machinery. In states where the other side owns the Governor’s Mansion, you have to get a little more creative.

    And for the record, I never said it was a good strategy. I wonder if she will get sequestered, out of hearing distance in one of those free speech zones in Tampa … by her own party. 🙂

  347. Saul A must be the wind beneath your wings. 😉

    I’m a well known Saul Alinsky radical. Just ask Newt … Gingrich that is. 🙂

    LOL Thor I’ll remind you of this post from Feb. (Newcomers Newt and Emily might enjoy this one.)

  348. “I get lots of heat from Noah and Tigre because I make a big deal over semantics.”

    No, you avoid substance.

    And you have yet to “nail my or anyone elses’ ass” in your efforts to deflect. You are always wrong.

    Dissect that!

  349. In states where the Governor is in your party, they become your access to the machinery.

    Speaking of access to the machinery, this Governor is trying to help keep his party in line and force them to follow the rules. It has been a real struggle within the party that isn’t getting a lot of news play. All those rightie rule benders are going to have to straighten up. 😉

  350. Wasserman Schultz is stupid. Real stupid.

    And in fact I find Wasserman Schultz to be a perfect caricature of these “highly educated”, usually single misandrists who vastly favor Barack Obama over Mitt Romney two to one. These weak-willed ninnies couldn’t be anymore dimwitted and self-defeating.

    The pathetic excuses may call themselves proudly feminists, but they are the most helpless women on earth and too arrogant to know it.

    Margaret Thatcher or Chinese dissident Liu Xiaobo, they are not.

  351. This might label me as trailer trash, but one of our rooms just won’t cool down, no matter how cool the rest of the house gets. So we got one of those portable ac units just for it. My wife has now discovered she enjoys the extra cooling while cooking, so lately I have been moving the thing back and forth almost every night. It has a removable exhaust hose, much like a dryer exhaust tube, only expandable plastic instead of foil paper. If someone is stupid enough to talk into it (and I am) it sounds exactly like Darth Vader. So, as I go through the moving routine each night, I of course am spitting out “Luke, I am your father” substituting whatever child’s name I deem fit to be my victim at the time. It doesn’t matter which name I pick, I always get a chorus from around the house. “Idiot, moron, loser, dork, Dad reeaaally. Shut up.” And my favorite, the slamming door.

    This, of course, only encourages me to do it again the next night.

    Reminds me a little of this place. 🙂

  352. Thor, speaking of dimwitted feminists, how is Patty Murray doing out in Washington. 😀

    Remember this beauty?

    Osama Bin Laden has “been out in these countries for decades, building schools, building roads, building infrastructure, building daycare facilities, building health care facilities, and the people are extremely grateful. He’s made their lives better. We have not done that.”

    It would be a running contest between our two dumbest Senators, one now former:

    Joe Biden vs. Patty Murray

    P.S. – I have one of the portable A/C units for the Mick (my mutt). I’ll have to try the Darth Vader routine on him.

    Squeezes fingers: “Mickey, I find your lack of faith disturbing.”

  353. Osama Bin Laden has “been out in these countries for decades, building schools, building roads, building infrastructure, building daycare facilities, building health care facilities, and the people are extremely grateful. He’s made their lives better. We have not done that.”

    😆 That’s almost as fantastical as p>Rummy’s claims. 😆

  354. I apologize for the length of this but I wanted to try to be complete as possible. Below is a list of I think 99% of every Leftist argument I have seen since coming to this blog. I am no angle myself but at least I try to make sure the facts are on my side before I put into print.

    Negative Pregnant:
    Many intellectually dishonest debate tactics are variations of negative pregnants. A negative pregnant is a statement that seems to deny something but when closely examined only denies a narrower question that was not asked.

    Changing the subject:
    Debater is losing so he tries to redirect the attention of the audience to another subject area where he thinks he can look better relative to the person he is debating, but admits to no change of subject and pretends to be refuting the original on-subject statement of his opponent.

    Questioning the motives of the opponent:
    This is a form of tactic “changing the subject”; as stated above, it is prohibited by Robert’s Rule of Order 43; a typical tactic used against critics is to say, “They’re just trying to sell newspapers” or in my case, books—questioning motives is not always wrong; only when it is used to prove the opponent’s facts or logic wrong is it invalid. If my facts or logic are wrong, my motive may be the answer to why. But let’s cut out the middleman of why my facts or logic are wrong and just point exactly what the error is. Pointing out the suspicious motive only indicates there is no error, just an attempt to insinuate an error by innuendo.

    Sloganeering:
    Debater uses a slogan rather than using facts or logic. Slogans are vague sentences or phrases that derive their power from rhetorical devices like alliteration, repetition, cadence, or rhyming; Rich Dad Poor Dad’s “Don’t work for money, make money work for you” is a classic example. In sports, coaches frequently rely on cliches, a less rhetorical form of slogan, to deflect criticism.

    Cult of personality:
    Debater attempts to make the likability of each debate opponent the focus of the debate on the grounds that he believes he is more likable than the opponent.

    Vagueness:
    Debater seems to cite facts or logic, but his terms are so vague that no facts or logic are present.

    Playing on widely held fantasies:
    Debater offers facts or logic that support the fantasies of the audience thereby triggering powerful desires to believe that override normal desire for truth or logic.

    Scapegoating:
    Debater blames problems on persons other than the audience; this is a negative version of playing on widely-held fantasies; it plays on widely-held animosities or dislikes.

    Arousing envy:
    Debater attempts to get the audience to dislike his opponent because the audience is envious of something that can be attributed to the opponent.

    Rejecting facts or logic as opinion:
    It is true that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But everyone is not entitled to their own facts or logic. Nor is anyone allowed to characterize a factual/logical argument as merely the opinion of the opponent. Facts are facts. 2 +2 = 4 is not my opinion. It is a fact. Frequently, when I explain one of my conclusions with facts and logic, my debate opponent dismisses those facts and logic as merely “your opinion.” That is a lie.

    Peer approval of subjective opinion:
    “Proving” correctness of a subjective statement by citing the approval of political allies in the same subject—so-called peer review in academia. Peer approval has value when it relates to objective standards like those in mathematics, chemistry, and physics. Such peers check the accuracy of calculations, the cleanliness of laboratories, and whether they can replicate the results in their own experiments. But peer review is of little probative (proving) value when it relates to subjective areas like sociology, economics, or women’s studies where the peers in question, and indeed the whole field or large portions of it, have a particular political agenda. What is considered correct academic teaching in high schools is determined by long-term, circular, self-reinforcing, peer group-think unaffected by results achieved by their students.

    Finding small error:
    Citing a slight error or typo as evidence that everything the opponent says is false or that the opponent is “unprofessional” or incompetent.

    Assertion of non-existent ‘rights.’
    E.g., the “right” to affordable health care and housing, the “right” to a job, a living wage, and so on. Some such “rights” become law, in which case they are technically now rights, but “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” are the only true rights in America. The rest are various forms of forced charity contributions—typically forcing wealthier or less politically powerful Americans to subsidize poorer, more politically powerful ones.

    Sunk cost
    Decisions should be based and evaluated on what you know now, where you are now, where you want to go, and what the best way to get there is—only. Taking into account past expenditures of money or effort is flat wrong and utterly irrelevant to decisions. This concept is also embodied in phrases like “water over the dam,” “water under the bridge,” “Don’t cry over spilt milk,” “what’s done is done,” “throwing good money after bad,” and “cut your losses.”

  355. Mitt’s campaign is still in a predicament over his income tax returns, and he won’t release them, wonder why? We know he has a Swiss bank account, so it is that is not keeping him from releasing them. Maybe he paid no taxes at some point, maybe, he would release them if he could, just to rub them in Harry Reid’s face. But many people already think that, so confirming that he paid no taxes isn’t such a big deal. So it has to be something more damaging than that. I have to think Mitt took the amnesty deal offered by the government. That’s right, I think Mitt was a tax cheat and if he hadn’t gotten amnesty, the Romney’s sons would be visiting pa and ma Romney at Federal facilities. And I think there are a lot of Americans who have come to the same conclusion on this matter. Prove to me, I am wrong Mitt Romney and I will apologize.

  356. “Hillary Rotten is not stupid…”

    Tex, two thoughts this morning when I read of that alleged meeting between Clinton and Jarrett.

    1. President de facto Jarrett reveals to me what Obama values as talented. Jarrett is, mind you, talented. Just not at managing the country. Did I mention her troubles with the low-income housing she delivered here in Chicago?

    2. Hillary may be the smartest one in the room. Smarter than all of them – even her husband.

    She and Jarrett could have torn it up if America had been ready for that 4 years ago.

    Clinton/Jarrett
    Hillary and Valerie
    Hill and Val

    It’s got appeal.

  357. That’s right, I think Mitt was a tax cheat

    Well!!! Who’s the conspiracy theorist now, Newt?

    Besides, I think Rmoney is a hologram. 😉

  358. “Prove to me, I am wrong Mitt Romney and I will apologize.”

    Nope. You’re right. No apologies are necessary. Romeny’s a felonious tax cheat.

    Oh. Obama’s still fucking idiot without a budget or plan. Biden is “full retard.” And you’d vote for them if his last names were Sandusky.

  359. Poolman, are you aware Nevada now has two separate Republican Parties? One supports Ron Paul and the other supports Mitt Romney. Guess which one got the money from the national party?

  360. Who are my beer drinkers?

    And I mean real beer. If you drink Bud, Miller, Pabst, etc, go fuck yourself with that horseswill (See Thor, a qualified all inclusive).

    Samuel Adams has a great new beer out: White Water IPA. Yummy!!!!

  361. I am a “real” beer guy. Been a fan of Sam from its inception.
    I haven’t had the White Water, but I must admit I am getting tired of IPAs.

    Even though a hot summer day, I had a Stone Smoked Porter the other day that was deeeeeliciosio! As they say down here G, “git you some.”

  362. Newt, there is more EVIDENCE to Obama being a foreign national than there is to Mitt being a tax cheat. You are SPECULATING, potentially on fraudulent claims, that Mitt didn’t pay taxes. You have no PROOF, and no, the burden remains on you.

  363. The IRS managed to overlook Mitt’s tax cheating ways? He planned to get away with it too if it weren’t for his run for the presidency. . . and those meddling kids?

    Duh.

  364. “Appeal? Like a case of the shits…”

    Oh you’re no fun. The debates could be a makeover followed by a pillow fight 🙂

  365. I’ve really developed a taste for wheat beer. Shock Top of late, with Blue Moon sprinkled in between. IPA’s are good, but they have to be VERY cold and it needs to be REALLY hot to go great. I’m not ashamed to admit though that I love a good cold Corona. That goes down like water and just as fast. If you’re feeling eclectic and want a really good beer, look for Arrogant Bastard by Stone Brewery. Its good, but its a kick in the balls…

  366. Newt, I was ‘pulling your chain’ (not the same as putting you back in chains :wink:), but I guess you just need a refresher of the definition of a conspiracy. The MSM has redefined it as something ignoble.

  367. G, to be honest, I’m kind of sick of the wheat beer craze that’s been going on the last few years. We have a beer on tap in every bar in the state called Oberon by Bell’s. Wheat beer often served with an orange slice. I’ve had too many of them. After going through a Belgian Trappist phase, I find myself now gravitating towards British beers. I love beer served from the cask. Nothing is more quaffable then a British brown or mild served at about 48 degrees with limited carbonation. So poundable. Ever have ale served from a traditional cask?

  368. Funny you mention that DR, New Castle has a new Red Ale out called Werewolf Ale. Haven’t had it, but I remember back in the 90’s when the ‘Red Ale’ craze kicked off.

    No doubt, we go through these crazes, but I’ve loved wheat beer since before it was the ‘thing’. I def in the mood for the winter brews, nothing like a nice porter or stout. Boddington’s anyone?

  369. Shocktop? Blue Moon? Wtf? G you drink like the kind of woman that Thor enjoys objectifying. Is that what you drink when you get giddy at the Red Hat society meetings? Fag.

  370. Innis & Gunn Rum Cask. Mmmmmmmmmmm!!!

    I have a keg of Sweetwater “Sweet Georgia Brown” on tap at home right now. If you can lay your hands on a bottle, be sure to try it out.

  371. G, now that you mention it, there was a red ale phase back in the 90s wasn’t there. I forgot about that.

    Tigre, you have a kegarator? If I had an awesome brown on tap in my house, my posts here would even be more incoherent. I’m not sure I could handle that. That must fucking awesome.

  372. This ought to get your blood boiling – pun at no extra charge. I think if folks actually knew some of the facts regarding the practices of religious fanatics from all sects, they’d outlaw religion entirely.

    Of course they would only target the religions devoted to ‘g-d’. That basically shows how who ever controls the presses (or in our case today, the airwaves), only points out the faults of their opponents and demonizes them.

    Just as the facts of history point to the Jews actions before WWII of pressuring all nations to boycott German made goods. These sanctions caused crippling economic disaster to Germany and was the primary reason Jews were persecuted.

    It was a case of blowback and not one of ethnic cleansing. But then again, the victors are the ones writing the narrative. Victimhood has its advantages when fully exploited.

  373. Beers: This one is pure heaven. Unfortunately for me I just remembered that if I ever want to drink another one I’m going to have to ask Thor to ship a case to me. 😦

    Henry’s has a cult following and with good reason. You can only get it in a few states, mostly West Coast (WA, OR, AZ, maybe CO).

    Wheat and many other beers turned out to be a migraine trigger for me. So did all red and blush wines and many whites. I don’t even experiment anymore. Hard liquor either. It’s just not worth it. I can still drink an occasional beer though.

  374. Zima….ha ha. That’s almost as bad as finding yourself blind sided by that Dateline guy while holding a sixer of Mike’s Hard Lemon Aid.

    Weisse is that sour green beer isnt? Shit is so sour they add shots of raspberry syrup. I’m not that much of a fan.

  375. Dr, my wife got me a two-tapper for my birthday about 5-6 years ago. Site right next to the fridge in the kitchen. How cool is that?

    (second worst decision she ever made).

    And yes. No matter how much restraint you think you have, when all you have to do is pull a handle for another it can become a nightly problem. I some times just break it down so it’s a hassle to get running.

    Oh yeah. Your friends come around all the time too. It’s like opening a can of tuna near a litter of cats for the gaggle I run with.

    Best Birthday present ever!!!

  376. Wow, just got my man card pulled.

    Should I wow you with Redhook or Pyramid? How about Smuttynose Maibock or Rogue Ten Thousand? How about a KBS American Double?

    Can I have my back now…

  377. Ice cold Dos Equis Amber for me, if it’s in a bottle. I can’t drink beer from a can anymore. Well, that isn’t entirely true. If it’s there…

    My youngest is a Blue Moon fan. If that’s all there is, it isn’t too bad. Definitely not my preference.

    Do the math, rabbit. A kegerator would cost you about 60 cents a mug. Of course, you’re right. Consumption would likely increase exponentially. 😆

  378. Hey Muffy, I wonder if you a sulfite allergy? I get all blush and itchy from any alcoholic beverage with a lot of sulfites. I have found I need to drink a second glass for it to go a way. I always thought sulfites were a modern thing but have since learned its has been used since ancient Rome.

  379. No. Weissbier is German wheat beer (like hefeweizen). Different than belgians and “white” beers.

    I was in Brussles a while back. Lordy there was some good drinking.

    Munich hands down though.

  380. Oh yeah. Smuttynose. I can’t find that here. Used to buy it when I lived in Richmond. Those are all greats. Card returned.

  381. Lol…..my wife believes it too! Tigre I was confusing it with a distinct and obscure style called Berliner Weisse. Nasty stuff.

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berliner_Weisse

  382. I don’t know if any of you guys have an outlet called Total Wine. If you do, you;re in luck. The quantity and selection is breathtaking. I could not think of a beer they didn’t have. Trust me. That’s saying a lot.

  383. I’ll have to take a closer look at that, rabbit. The trigger list I’m looking at for sulfites doesn’t throw up any major flags but I did develop a little asthma around the same time that the frequency of the headaches shot up. I’ve always suspected that the alcohols were the tip of the iceberg but it’s hard to tell with the preventatives meds. The alcohol ignores them but most everything else seems to be handled.

  384. Muffy, we’ve got to find a cure. Telethon? Better yet, radiothon. Gorilla and Rutherford fundraisers. I’ll man the phones If need be.

    Did you say “blush wines?'”

    Fellas, there’s no time to lose!!

  385. You bunch of pansy asses. Real men drink dark beer. If I ever figure out what they have on tap at Peter Luger’s steak house, I’ll get my wife to buy me one of those on tap do dahs of Tigre fame and become a raging alcoholic.

    If I can’t find a dark beer, I’m pretty much with Gorilla – Corona. My brother-in-law, who lived in Mexico for a time, swears they use horse piss in the brewery. Does taste pretty malty. 🙂

    The only American beer I’ll drink anymore is Shiner Bock. It’s pretty good stuff. The last large domestic beer I think I tasted was at the Budweiser brewery in St. Louis about 1998. 😆 At the brewery, it taste pretty good. Out of the cooler at the local Quik Trip, it taste like crap.

  386. I’ve got to go disassemble that damn flowing bird bath again – a pain in the ass if there ever was one. You may remember my ‘Christmas’ present where I had to rewire about half the house on account of it? Do these manufacturers understand water and moss crud go together? Birds shit everywhere. I hate that thing. 😡

    I think I’ll fill it with Clorox this time – only I would probably kill my dog on account of it. Found out the Mick was treating it like a champagne fountain and damn near killed him in the process to. Now, I have to take the guard protectors out – a double pain in the ass.

    My wife thinks it’s just about the swellest gift my parents have ever bought me. I’ll probably die from West Nile on account of it.

    She comes home one day and sees I’ve emptied it out and have it unplugged and dry as a bone :twisted:, then goes to whining about how birds need a drink during the horrendous drought were in and get out there and get it running.

    I forgot to fill it right before she got home. Dammit.

    I cussed her for about two hours while I was cleaning it the last time.

  387. And you think we live in a civil society. Freedom of speech is going, going, going, and fast…

    Here’s someone in VA arrested and hauled away for what he’s posted on FB. Enter the thought police.

  388. Do we have an ETA on the plan yet? I forgot what plan is supposed to be forthcoming just you wait.

    Think he’s reading the health care law? Obama, I mean.

    I’m bracing for the Biden resignation.

    Oh well. In the meantime,

    “If you like dark bear,”

    😆

  389. Tex, kill two birds with one stone so to speak and fill that damn bird bath fountain thing with dark beer. We can’t have you suffering because of the drought too.

  390. Do these manufacturers understand water and moss crud go together?

    😆 Not really. They don’t care. They got their money. Much like our legislators. They don’t have to clean up the shit from what they put out there.

  391. thor asked about the farm bill, and my wife needed to use the computer. I don’t know if my comment was posted.

    The farm bill has passed the Senate. The House chair wants it passed, but he said management, the House leaders are hestitating. I think the Tea Party is pressuring them to reduce spending. Most of the bill includes money for food stamps and various other programs. Right and left are fighting to make changes.

    Thus, the bill stagnates in a House committee.

    Life will get interesting if legislators don’t extend the current law or pass the new bill. Otherwise, i think the 1947 law becomes effective. It would be a rude shock for us all to say the least.

    Corn harvest usually begins in late September. Some farmers have been combining corn for the past two weeks.

  392. There sure are a lot of lawsuits going on involving the GOP this year, internal and external. I don’t know if it is normal. I, myself, am better informed this go round. You folks in Washington State have some interesting stuff going on too:

    The Libertarian Party of Washington state sued the state secretary of state on Thursday, claiming that Mitt Romney’s name should be removed from the general election ballot.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/16/mitt-romney-washington-state-libertarian_n_1793305.html

    At this rate with all that is happening, we may not have an election in November.

  393. Putting beer in the bird bath would be interesting. My father visited a relative’s farm during Prohibition after the Feds raided the farm and smashed the liquor making distileries and alcohol which was meant for Al Capone’s business. .

    Chickens and pigs got so drunk they could hardly walk.

  394. Ah yes, those unnecessary voter ID laws…

    AFL-CIO Canvasser Booked On 23 Felony Counts Related To Voter Fraud…

    A former Ohio University student paid to canvass for Voters First Ohio petition signatures was arrested August 14 by the Cincinnati Police Department. Timothy Noel Zureick was booked on 22 counts of signing false signatures and one count of election falsification, both fifth-degree felonies.

    As reported by the Athens News, Zureick, age 21, was arrested for crimes allegedly committed while working in Athens for Working America, a campaign arm of the AFL-CIO in Washington, DC. Zureick’s August 14 arrest is the first known prosecution to stem from the numerous allegations of fraud during the union-driven Voters First campaign.

    According to authorities, on or around June 12 Zureick forged the signatures of a number of prominent Athens County Democratic Party figures. Athens County Board of Elections employees who had not signed Voters First petitions alerted the county prosecutor’s office after finding their signatures on petitions Zureick submitted.

  395. I don’t often give Fox a shoutout but in the Wilder link I posted earlier today there is also an interview of Ron Christie by Megyn Kelly and she offers a defense of Biden as “that crazy uncle we all have”. Very different from the Hannity pile on. Maybe it’s because the interview probably aired outside of Fox’s toxic primetime lineup. Kudos to Megyn for really trying to be “fair and balanced”.

  396. Muffy … my apologies, I see that my dissection of Wilder’s comment was already covered by you. I’m at this point about 200 friggin comments behind so the risk is high I will regurgitate already covered points.

    In advance … my bad.

  397. Thor, regarding the Dating Game, Sandi is happily married and has a young daughter. She’s off the market. I know that breaks the hearts of G, Tex and Tigre.

  398. MSNBC is nothing but rank Obama propaganda and American hating. I figured MSNBC would beat CNN to the point of bankruptcy – NBC must be floating that pile of yellow swirl big time.

    PMS’s prime time lineup is the biggest parade of losers this side of Joe Biden. Got a hermaphrodite as their prime time player. What the hell does that say about their audience? 😈

    Like listening to four hours of Sandi the Brick. No wonder Rutherford is seriously messed up. Like a daily transfusion of river sludge.

  399. I used to read Jennifer Rubin often and thought she was pretty good.

    Since you have a penchant for dissing the physical features of your female political foes, Tex, I feel compelled to remind you that Ms. Rubin is pretty hard on the eyes. I recently saw her in a debate with Jonathan Alter and her personality wasn’t too grand either.

  400. Rt. 202 from Marymoor Park to Woodinville was a favorite mind-washer after work.

    Muffy why do I get this scary picture of you day dreaming while driving down Route 202?

  401. Perhaps Nagic could try out starting his own blog

    Emily, it’s funny that you say that. I usually find the most vociferous folks would never put virtual pen to virtual paper on a regular basis and present their views. Better to be in the peanut gallery or do a drive-by. Back in the day, if Tex or Rabbit got on my nerves I’d tell them “how bout getting your own damn blog?” More recently I’ve suggested it because they are both capable of some really good stuff.

    But it’s been so long that I’ve used the “get your own blog” as an offense that it never occurred to me to say it to Noah.

    LOL Hey Noah …. ever thought of starting your own blog? 😉

  402. Since you have a penchant for dissing the physical features of your female political foes, Tex, I feel compelled to remind you that Ms. Rubin is pretty hard on the eyes.

    Sure you weren’t looking at Jonathan Alter? He’s so fucking ugly with that fuzzy forehead, he looks alien.

    Don’t know about Jennifer, but I will tell you she ain’t hung like a black man like Chaz. 😉

  403. Rutherford,

    Even a flaccid wiener like you has to admit FOX has the hottest babes on the tube. Since MSNBC lost Norah, there’s nothing to pant over and everything to gag over. Chaz Maddow literally makes my cremaster muscle go into overdrive – up boys, way up way up!

    Every damn one of those FOX beauties are dolls. I’d run off with all of them, probably with the Mrs. blessing. 😉

  404. Wonder how many black girl friends she has? — R

    Not satire? — Muffy

    Ahhh I’m sorry, The question should have been I wonder how many black girl friends she has who can’t appreciate quality satire. 😐

  405. Noah already has a blog.

    Well smack my ass and call me Charlie. It would help if he had written a couple of articles since last year but it’s a start.

    Actually, he does have a blog devoted to search engine optimization if I remember correctly.

  406. We can’t fix the economy or the education system, but we can damn sure improve our police state. No question of budget there. Spend as much of our tax revenue as you can to find and kill those terrorists, wherever we can locate or establish them.

    Of course, this technology is sold as a way to save human lives. Sounds noble. What a sick joke of a society we’ve become. 😈

  407. Why aren’t any of the male commentators attractive, regardless of the station? Although I have to admit the the winner of the “not if he were the last man on earth and the survival of the human race depended on it” award is Ed Schulz. But seriously, none of them are attractive or appealing. blech

  408. Winning!!!

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Unemployment rates rose in 44 U.S. states in July, the most states to show a monthly increase in more than three years and a reflection of weak hiring nationwide.

  409. For the beer thing I drink mainstream imports. Bass,Tennant when I can get my hands on it,Molsen,Heineken and my favorite is Amstel. Whatever that makes me so be it. Sam Adams sucks ass. That should pretty much torpedo me re: the true beer enthusiasts.
    @thor way back at 440 or so. For a literary fellow you’ve missed the plot. The point I’m stressing is MEDICARE patients. We’re screwed as a nation if preggers are on MEDICARE. Anyway the surest way to keep the elderly from being readmitted is by not discharging them. Simple reality thor. Simple crazy unintended consequences courtesy the gub’mint.
    @ Rutherford,Yeah I dropped that link. FP is absolutely beside itself regards our election. Pompous fucks. Rothkopf (whom I dislike strongly) actually had a good read on the whole “October Surprise” thing.

  410. Emily,

    Shawn ‘Pretty Boy’ Hannity would probably argue with you on that point.

    Truthfully though, we are dealing with science here. There have been plenty of studies over time that look at the psychology behind news personalities that the public will accept. Attractive men are not often perceived as credible news commentators. Talk show hosts, yes. Singers and entertainers, yes and yes. Politicians, yes. Investigators or truth tellers, not so much.

    The opposite is often true with women commentators. Men are lured to attractive women. Sex has been used to persuade men to do all kinds of things since the beginning of humanity. You want to know why Fox/Murdoch has the best ratings? It isn’t coincidence nor rocket science.

  411. I wonder if Noah and Emily have ever made out in that angry fashion that always happens in the movies. Does that shit ever happen in real life? Because, I’ve always found that when a woman hates me, there is never any sexual tension. None. She finds me revolting. End of story. Sure happens in cop movies though.

  412. eeyew. Hannity is not at all attractive. Looks like a smurf.

    😆 Smurf? I always thought Tony Snow was a nice looking man. But you’re right. Now that I give it a great deal of thought, there’s not a Tom Selleck, Clarke Gable amongst crew.

    I think Mitt Romney is a nice looking man. Same with Scott Brown. Barack Obama isn’t a bad looking guy. His wife is grotesque, but then I’m colored in opinion by her being a pompous ass, major hypocrite and liar too boot.

    Right, Rutherford?

  413. Shepard Smith is on meth. I swear he is. Something aint right with that dude. He looks like skeletor, lately.

  414. I heard something rich tonight on the talking heads.

    I heard that the Media Matters butt cracks, Rutherford’s selection of propaganda, called these Special Ops/SEALS types GUTLESS for advertising what a chicken shit Barack Obama has been in endangering the entire nation by leaking information about our war machine and covert operations to tweak Obama’s cowardly reputation.

    Can you imagine the unmitigated gall it takes for some worm from Media Matters to call Special Ops soldier gutless? What a joke the Left has become.

    They asked this former SEAL what he thought. I paraphrase but it went something like this:

    “Normally, the wolves aren’t concerned what the sheep think. But in this regard, I welcome our critics from Media Matters to approach us anywhere say like a dark alley, and call anyone of us gutless to our face.”

    I would pay top dollar to watch the massive ass kicking that ensued. Wait a minute! I’ve got to get both hands back on the keyboard.

    How quickly could they filet a Lib journalist while alive? That’s almost orgasmic to think about. :mrgreen: