Two Myths about Paul Ryan

Only forty-eight hours into his anointment as Mitt Romney’s running mate, Wisconsin Representative Paul Ryan is enjoying the riches of the legend making machine known as the politically skewed media. I think that Ryan Lizza’s profile of Paul Ryan in the New Yorker earlier this month should be required reading for folks of all political stripes. In it, two myths are busted, one that might gain traction if folks don’t know the facts and the other which is already a talking point for Democrats.

Paul Ryan Pulled Himself Up By His Bootstraps

Saturday night on a special edition of Hardball, Chris Matthews floated a notion of a middle class Ryan to centrist Michelle Bernard of the Bernard Center for Women. Michelle shot back how appealing it is to Americans to see someone who has “pulled himself up by his bootstraps”. According to the Lizza article, this is total nonsense.

Janesville, Wisconsin, where Ryan was born and still lives, is a riverfront city of sixty-four thousand people in the southeast corner of the state, between Madison and Chicago. Three families, the Ryans, the Fitzgeralds, and the Cullens, sometimes called the Irish Mafia, helped develop the town, especially in the postwar era. The Ryans were major road builders, and today Ryan, Inc., started in 1884 by Paul’s great-grandfather, is a national construction firm. The historic Courthouse section of Janesville is still thick with members of the Ryan clan. At last count, there were eight other Ryan households within a six-block radius of his house, a large Georgian Revival with six bedrooms and eight bathrooms that is on the National Register of Historic Places.

“I grew up on the block I now live on,” Ryan told me recently. We were sitting in his new, more spacious Capitol Hill office, one of the spoils of being in the majority after the 2010 elections. “My aunt and uncle live across the street from me,” he said. “My cousin is next door, my brother is a block away.” Ryan’s line of the family strayed from the construction business, which is now run by his cousin Adam. His grandfather and father became lawyers instead. (http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/08/06/120806fa_fact_lizza#ixzz23ROrOJTj)

Ryan grew up in a prestigious Janesville family, the inheritor of their influence and wealth. What feeds into the false myth is the tragedy that struck Ryan at age 16 when he went to wake his father up and discovered him dead. (Ryan’s grandfather and great-grandfather also died before age 60, leading Ryan to pursue an almost fanatic health regimen.) Clearly Ryan may have had to pull himself up by his bootstraps emotionally. He did not have to do so economically. When we look at the mansion that Ryan calls home, we realize the GOP is running two very rich guys for office. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

Ryan, the Deficit Hawk

Although Ryan championed the privatization of Social Security during the Bush administration, in almost every other way he resembles your average Tea Partier. He only found economic-Jesus when Barack Obama entered the White House. Every big-ticket item responsible for the huge deficit that Obama inherited received a thumbs up from “fiscally conservative” Ryan:

Bush Tax cuts for the rich — Ryan says yeah!
War in Iraq with no way to pay for it — Ryan says yeah!
War in Afghanistan with no way to pay for it — Ryan says yeah!
Medicare Part D — Ryan says yeah!
TARP — Ryan says yeah!

Given the opportunity to oppose any of these items, Ryan passed. He now talks about how disappointed he was with the Bush spending and that he was frustrated at the time. His disappointment is certainly not reflected in his voting record. If Romney becomes President and the GOP spends like crazy, the same way it did from 2001 through 2008, will Ryan attempt to stop the tide of reckless spending or give up the fight in frustration?

Ryan says he has deeply held libertarian, Ayn Rand influenced economic beliefs. I take him at his word. The question is will he adhere to principle or cave to party pressure when the chips are down?

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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220 thoughts on “Two Myths about Paul Ryan

  1. Although Ryan championed the privatization of Social Security during the Bush administration, in almost every other way he resembles your average Tea Partier.

    R, I don’t get this. Did you mean in almost “no” other way?

  2. Bush Tax cuts for the rich — Ryan says yeah!
    War in Iraq with no way to pay for it — Ryan says yeah!
    War in Afghanistan with no way to pay for it — Ryan says yeah!
    Medicare Part D — Ryan says yeah!
    TARP — Ryan says yeah!’

    So, in other words, Obama CAN run against Bush. All he has to do is insert the name Ryan instead. 🙂

    I heard my first “Mitt Ryan, errr, I mean Mitt Romney Freudian slip this morning from one of Obama’s mouthpieces.

  3. Thor, what I meant was that the Tea Party was silent about the gov’t spending itself into the toilet until Obama entered the Oval and then suddenly it was a major crisis. Same thing with Ryan. His voting record under his GOP POTUS does not reflect the concern he had once Obama came on board.

    I’ve got to figure out how to write that line more clearly.

  4. ”I’ve got to figure out how to write that line more clearly.”

    Just say Rubio is a lying hypocritical bigot.

    I mean Ryan.

  5. I get it now.

    His numbers are bumping up pretty quick. I would have to say his first impression was a good one.

    I heard Romney say today that he would run on the Romney budget. But he has also said he would sign the Ryan budget into law. Our current President doesn’t even have one budget, this guy has two. 😉

  6. I don’t understand how you can devise a budget that isn’t balanced. We have to do that in the real world. Just sayin…

  7. Three families, the Ryans, the Fitzgeralds, and the Cullens, sometimes called the Irish Mafia,

    The Irish Mafia. Where did I hear that before? Oh yeah, with JFK. Here it is in this video at the 4:05 mark.

  8. Now now Muffy, you introduced the bigot idea.

    Actually this article deals with Ryan’s press. I haven’t seen him address his voting record yet so I can’t call him a lying hypocrite.

  9. I would have to say his first impression was a good one.

    I completely agree. Not only do I like Ryan’s stagecraft, it is noticeable how this has raised Mitt’s game. He’s a whole new man.

    I was saying to my better half today that Obama needs to switch gears pronto. He needs to start spelling out what he will do in the next four years. Mitt and Paul are actually starting to preach a conservative version of hope and change. It’s time for Obama to get the lead out.

  10. From the previous thread…

    Tex, did you miss the first part?

    “STATEMENT OF WORK
    I. GOALS AND RESPONSIBILITIES
    The Gospel of Christ and the teachings of his Church guide the work of the USCCB. The work of the Conference is rooted in three general mission goals and organized into three key areas of responsibility.

    Which of the three missions is the Great Commission, because that is the reason it named the Gospel? That was my question. None of them (the missions) have a thing to do with the gospel of Christ. For instance, is the Pontiff now substitute for Christ? It’s nice Catholic dogma – like the Pope’s infallibility in some circles, but it is theological void of truth, power and consequence. It’s man made religion, not founded in scripture.

    Like I said, many in the USCCB justify abortion too under the guise of Christianity.

    You did open up a can of worms sharing what you shared, but actually you provide a pretty good caricature of typical lefty dogma I meet where leftist politics conveniently coincides with personal charity. Many of you believe yourselves both righteous and good. What I said in the previous threat about Newton would apply to you too, though I consider you a step up in debate, Thor. Still doesn’t mean you aren’t equally confused in your conclusions of justification.

    I actually am surprised you shared what you shared which I grudgingly respect by the way, because it explained a great many things for me about you. You were a bit of an enigma to me until that moment.

    Not that it changes anything about my opinion of you, but it does clarify to me how you are able to prescribe to the clear conflict of personal thought and politic vs. message of Christ.

    I’m simply telling your admiration of Christ is a good man with good words – not as God manifested in flesh. God does not ordain Caesar to do charitable works as you would insist. That is an affront to the message of personal relationship.

    Therefore, you and many in the Catholic Church which you quote have missed the basic tenet of Christianity – that is, who Christ said He was, is and shall be.

    I would be happy to share elsewhere, if interested.

  11. R, I firmly believe that Obama would have voted for both Iraq and Afghanistan without making cuts or taxes to pay for it. A lot of Dems voted for both.

    Did Obama vote for TARP? YES

    How about Medicare Part D? He wasn’t in the Senate at the time, however:

    An enthusiastic participant in this sabotage was then-Senator Barack Obama. And, as President, he stepped up the attacks by approving Obamacare’s $200 billion cut in the program’s budget. But, despite such skullduggery, Part D has been a huge success. As James Capretta reported last June, “The program has exceeded all expectations… the drug benefit’s costs for the first decade are coming in 42 percent below what was predicted at the time of enactment.” This is why Paul Ryan proposed a Medicare reform package designed to take advantage of the free market dynamics that made Part D a success. The Ryan proposal has since been augmented by features suggested by Democrat Senator Ron Wyden, and their bipartisan plan is now widely considered the most promising proposal for getting Medicare costs under control.

    Now, you on the left are circle jerking over the changes Ryan has proposed to Medicare, but here’s the problem with your narrative:

    1) You have no plan to save the program,

    2) Your accusing Ryan of wanting to undermine the program but Obama has already undermined – past tense, as in it has already happened – the program.

    So, since actions speak louder than words, Obama’s Medicare plan is to financially destroy the program.

    So I wonder when we get to see the ad of a black man pushing a little old white woman off a cliff…

  12. This Ryan appointment both surprised and startled you, didn’t it Rutherford?

    Buwahahahahahahaha…

    Romney is much brighter and resilient than you want admit. Face it, the only way Obama now wins will not be on the field of ideas, but the entitlements promised, the freebies granted, the divisions wrought. The revelations couldn’t be more contrasted. Even if Obama were to win, progressivism is finished. It failed and failed miserably. The housing bubble, no matter who to blame, was a progressive idea. And that’s not reality of this universe.

    It would be easier for me to swallow your message if I truly thought your idea of ‘utopia’ pure. But I no longer believe it is simply peace and love with you. It’s something much more sinister than that. So with Obama…. 😐

    But even if you were right, 2040 would be a monumental improvement over what Obama has presented – which is extending huge deficits ad infinitum, which will never be allowed to play out as we will be bankrupt within a few years, perhaps months without drastic changes in government.

    Already happening at many local levels – brought on by promises that could never possibly have been kept.

    You just can’t bring yourself to admit, even with all the evidence in front of you, that Keynesian economics cannot and will not ever work.

  13. Tex I only understand about 20% of what you write about religion but I will give you this much. You’re about as clear and rooted in your belief as a man can be. Your path to being a good Christian seems so narrow that only a small minority can actually achieve it. Muffy gets you 100% so there must be SOMETHING to it.

  14. Two problems G with your analysis. First, Obama never claimed to be a deficit hawk nor has he ever been portrayed that way. So “your insults bounce off me and stick to you” routine doesn’t fly here.

    As I understand it, the 600 billion taken out of Medicare to fund Obamacare will hit insurance companies, not the citizenry.

  15. I’m young, I’m handsome, I’m smart, and I’m articulate. And that scares the ever-loving shit out of you

    Funny you should mention it …. matches a tweet of mine from earlier today. 🙂

  16. Anybody want to see Obama lie through his teeth and then get schooled for it?

    My ass he read the bill. He just looks like he’s out there floundering. Too bad TOTUS wasn’t Johnny on the Spot to save his ass from someone who actually looks to have studied the issues.

    God I wish Ryan would be the one debating Obama…

  17. As I understand it, the 600 billion taken out of Medicare to fund Obamacare will hit insurance companies, not the citizenry.” – R

    Really, so when Medicare goes belly up since it’ll be out of money FAR sooner, what happens to the “citizenry” then?

    OR, are you saying that Obamacare is the fix for Medicare, as in, it is to replace Medicare?

  18. Tex, Romney surprised me but didn’t “startle” me. I give Romney credit for rolling the dice with a higher risk candidate. As I’ve said before, Romney’s respect for Ryan is obvious and sincere. Mitt looks like a man whose life has been saved up there on the stage with Paul. I’m eager to see what happens when they split up on the campaign trail. Will Romney suddenly become all awkward again or will he stay on the roll he’s been on the past three days?

    I’m glad Mitt has made this election about a choice between two philosophies. The tax returns and “you didn’t build that” and cancer killers stuff was getting old. Now let’s get to some substance!

  19. If so, here’s how folks like you “plan”:

    Most voters still want to see President Obama’s health care law repealed, and a plurality believes repeal would be good for the economy.

    The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 56% of Likely U.S. Voters favor repeal of the national health care law, while 38% are opposed. This includes 46% who Strongly Favor repeal and 29% who Strongly Oppose it.

  20. You’re about as clear and rooted in your belief as a man can be. Your path to being a good Christian seems so narrow that only a small minority can actually achieve it.

    You know, Rutherford. Whether intended or not, I will take that as a left-handed compliment of sorts. I take it though not terribly grounded in the foundations of Christianity, you are familiar with the often quoted Sermon on the Mount? Even most liberals love to quote from it. But a small portion that is seldom quoted is this and it scares the heck out of me, so I continually remind myself of its consequences:

    Matthew 7:14

    But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

    See Rutherford, I would like to think I’m no better than you, though I admit sometimes I like to think I’m a little better rounded. 😉 So my prayer for myself is to be humble enough to admit that being a Christian isn’t difficult – it’s impossible. We all claiming Christ would like to be like Christ. But we’re not worthy to tie His shoestrings, so to speak so all I can depend on is the grace Christ provides.

    So I try to use my limited abilities to learn and understand what Christ said, and try to live my life accordingly in message. Obviously, even my behavior around these parts would demonstrate my human weaknesses and failures. But never once will you see me deny my most intense belief of having the faith to tell you, I believe what Christ said of HImself is gospel truth. And in short, that Christ called Himself God. Period. Even by the unbeliever like you, that is the most radical statement a human being can make. I think even you would admit that.

    And I have often wondered if men like Thor understand the “gravity” of who Christ said He was. As C.S. Lewis accurately noted (paraphrased): Christ can only be one of the three things: A lunatic, a liar, or the Messiah.

    You can’t make the claim of being the Creator and simply be a good man. If you aren’t, you’re a fraud. But if you are, you are worthy of nothing but worship. I choose the latter.

  21. I heard one of Thor’s often quoted nuns tonight on O’Reilly. She makes a really good sell for the relief of poverty, until she turns political – criticizing Bush’s tax cuts as cause and effect amongst other things.

    Is this “nun” not familiar with the Bush tax cuts were across the board? That the aggregate savings in whole affected more people making less than 100K but paying federal tax. Is this nun not familiar that approximately 50% of people in America pay no federal tax?

    And I am tired of this.

    So I got to thinking how I would answer a political nun. And this what I would instruct Catholics to do if this is what they are hearing in the secular pulpits masquerading as Christianity.

    I would walk up to mother superior and say this:

    “Best I can tell from God’s Word, God asks us to provide a 1/10 of blessings to be used as tithe. If you mother superior are going to insist that government act as moral arbiter in determining what is fair and what is not, then I am going to abide by your rules by declaring this. For every percentage point my taxes go up, I am going to consider that a tithe percentage – carrying for the poor, addressing poverty, social justice. For every percent my taxes go up and being you have deemed Caesar as God to reallocate accordingly, the Catholic Church will receive one percentile less point of my tithe that I will reallocate accordingly.”

    Does anyone want to be a ten dollar bill to a donut that argument by mother superior would immediately become moot?

  22. The tithe was collected from from the first fruits. 10 percent was given wholly to God in sacrifice and is the principle practiced by the Jews predominately in the OT. Many church congregations still stand by that principle and teach their flock to tithe, in addition to giving of gifts and offerings.

    When taxes were collected for the state during the time Jesus was considered a Rabbi, He had one of His disciples go catch a fish that had in its mouth a coin to pay for both their due tax. When the Jewish leaders were trying to trick him regarding whether He thought paying taxes was okay, He asked them, “Whose picture is on the money? They said Caesar, He said, “Give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and give unto God what is God’s.” In truth, it all belongs to Him, including us.

    The women around Jesus that believed in Him were supporting His ministry. He even assigned the evil disciple among Him to hold bank.

    It isn’t hard to be a “Christian”. If it’s hard, you’re going about it all wrong. Repenting and following Jesus is a choice. Are choices hard? They are what we do over and over everyday in life. Even not choosing is a choice. Letting go and letting God. It’s faith. It’s trust. It’s about being humble and vulnerable to Him.

    Jesus said, “My yoke is easy and My burden is light.” And, “All you who are weary and heavy laden, come unto Me and I will give you rest.”

    It isn’t just that initial decision, the so-called ‘born again’ experience. It’s a step-by-step intervention. A Holy Spirit intervention. It’s a relationship, and like all relationships, the more time you spend on them, the better they tend to be.

    You won’t find Jesus in a Bible. You can read about Him there, but it isn’t even a smidgen of what He is and how revolutionary His message is. It changed the world and still does. You might find Him in a church building, “for where two or more are gathered in My name, there I Am in the midst of them.”

    Unless you are like a child, you will never enter the kingdom of Heaven.

    That isn’t hard. The hard part is dying to self. The more self-important you feel, the more difficult you will find it to overcome. If you think you aren’t worthy but you can work on it, you’re deceived. You will never be worthy, no matter how good you can be. It isn’t something we need to achieve or aspire to. Salvation is the gift of God. It’s grace.

  23. Does anyone here regularly watch “Washington Journal” on C-Span? I taped it this morning and watched about an hour of it this afternoon. Very enlightening, there are, if the callers are representative of the country as a whole, more high information voters than I realized. I would estimate something like 80% of the callers (Democrats, Republicans, and Independents) knew Ryan’s voting record. I’ll probably tape it again tomorrow.

  24. Poolman, without you probably realizing it, I think you and I are fundamentally saying the same thing. And I will virtually guarantee Rutherford will read what we just both said and believe it was diametrically opposed. That’s the paradox.

    However, I think you contradict yourself when you say it isn’t difficult. Actually, it is very difficult to believe as a child believes – at least it is for me. Because it requires us to honestly assess as adults in spiritual maturity and gain wisdom from those daily assessments and discernment, but accept the lesson as a child when we want answers to questions that we’re not capable of understanding. That is the essence of faith. I take some solace in reading Ecclesiastes, as it was obviously difficult for a King even as wise as Solomon or reading Job and recognizing the righteousness of a man far more patient and closer to God than I am.

    ———–

    Newton, if you honestly believe viewers of Washington Journal on C-Span representative of the typical American voter, you are woefully confused.

  25. Today, my father was admitted to a rehabilitation clinic. We have to be very careful not to use the words nursing home in his presence. The place is beautiful, new, well equipped, and even smells more like a hotel than assisted living. But I don’t know truly if my father will ever be the same. There still appears to be to be a permanent loss of motor skills, he is completely blind in one eye and severely impaired in the other. I’m proud of the fact my mother never spent a night in the hotel, but found most families are not that blessed, and even that taxed my mother to the point of exhaustion.

    Here is my take on what I’ve witnessed:

    There are incredible limitations for even doctors in diagnosis with all of our medical advancement. We still understand very little about the central nervous system and even less about how to treat it. Our experience went from a diagnosis of glial carcinoma (brain cancer), to CVA (stroke), to finally a definitive diagnosis of West Nile Virus. These weren’t bottom of the class doctors either. If I had a complaint, it would be the hospitalist calling me at 6:25 AM on the phone three days into the ordeal to tell me my father had brain cancer, of which I was to pass the word to a spouse of 55 years. Those kind of messages should be face to face with family in the spouse’s presence. MD was new to the job, but in retrospect, I found that completely unprofessional.

    The nurses but one, were excellent. The Techs, the most thankless of any job I’m aware, were even better. Techs deserve a living wage and hardly make more than minimum wage. Change an adult diaper three times with number 2 by induced bowel movement while turning a grown man with little assistance in 20 minutes with a smile. I could hardly stand to assist as son. To do it with a stranger day in, I wouldn’t do it for six figures. Good techs in a hospital are a godsend.

    This board is not typical of American mindset. If you really want to experience the full gamut of America, go to a hospital. On my father’s floor were a farmer struck down by massive stroke, an indigent heroin addict with brain sheer, a death by cancer of an elderly man across the hall, two teenagers in a car wreck – one by broken neck, the other broken back and severely bruised spinal cord – he may never walk. Some had insurance, some not.

    I would hate to even venture a guess to what my father’s ailment is costing the American taxpayer. It would not surprise me if the bill is not well over $500,000 already, when physical rehab is taken into account. I don’t see that America will be able to afford this type of quality care much longer, no matter what system is eventually chosen.

    I am ashamed to say this being it my own father being cared for, but there is a part of me tonight that is very angry that my parent’s generation will receive benefit that my children will never see. Even the drugs will be covered by Medicare for another 21 days.

    We are stealing from our children and grandchildren.

  26. I know it hurts to say that Tex, but you’re 100% correct. The debt being laid at the feet of future generations is fast becoming insurmountable. You would think that R as a parent would recognize the threat to his daughter, but then again, maybe not…

  27. “If you really want to experience the full gamut of America, go to a hospital.”

    “…my parent’s generation will receive benefit that my children will never see.”

    You’re so right Tex. And the children have no idea.

    We have to face the truth.

    I spent two weeks at the hospital when my mom broke her hip last Christmas and I had many of the same thoughts you write about.

    ~

    PS…I heard you and poolman saying the same thing. It flowed from yours to his to your comments nicely. Inspired me to reread the sermon on the mount in its entirety again, thanks. If there was a moment in history I could choose to witness, that’d be my number 2.

  28. My take on my week in the NICU was the same.. Same gratitude towards the nurses. Same awareness of the other patients while reflecting on my own family’s mortality. And same icky feeling when I thought of how it can possibly be that I won’t pay a dime . I’m over paid. Big time. Most union teachers don’t understand how much they weigh down their neighbor. They don’t umderstand, literally, how much their benifit package is really worth. Which makes them better then me. Most of the union is killing the tax payer by way of manslaughter . I’m a pre-meditated motherfucker feasting from the cornacopia of a corpse.

  29. I tell you true, Muffy. The hospital was an eye opener. Tatted and pierced is undoubtedly the norm. I’m sure much of that is that disease and dysfunction goes hand in hand with those requiring a disproportionate amount of care, but damn America is looking very ugly. I’ll assume personal hygiene is now optional. Supposedly, this is one of America’s top 50 hospitals, so it is not like we were in some dump.

    I’m guessing professional medical care, for those that can afford it anyway, are moving more towards specialized hospitals run by the doctors themselves. Where my mother had her knee replacement last year, a hospital managed by doctors had a much more “professional” looking clientele.

    This is not our grandparent’s America anymore. If this is America, it won’t matter who we elect as President. We’re screwed.

    One other thing – so many of our doctors are now foreign. We had a Pakistani oncologist, a hospitalist from Togo, an Asian for neurosurgeon. Like the League of Nations. Communication was sometimes a problem, though the doctors themselves I thought pretty good if I squinted when I listened.

    My mother was getting a little hot under the collar because the doctors kept directing the answers to me when she asked them questions. I told her I’ll bet each of these doctors came from a patriarchal society, where men are the final decision makers.

    However, my babe for a wannabee doctor daughter got special attention and even consideration when making care suggestions. Men are still pigs, even in white, long coats – no matter the skin color.

    I was pretty proud of the baby of mine. She actually made suggestions (nicely) that were initially shrugged off by the staff, that later were implemented. All of them, including the method of feeding. Think she’s going to be dynamite as a doctor.

  30. I know exactly what you’re talking about, Tex. When you look at them and they’re all grown up and they impress the hell out of you. When you wouldn’t change a thing about them.

    When they take your breath away.

    Best feeling on Earth. 🙂

  31. “This is not our grandparent’s America anymore. If this is America, it won’t matter who we elect as President. We’re screwed.”

    Well, I was thinking earlier that I had slowly started to lost hope going all the way back to 2001. And now all anybody seems to care about is who’s to blame and who did what first and who snagged the most.

    Nobody wants to cut their vacation plans short. Figuratively speaking.

    Maybe these guys can find the brakes and have the stones to pull them.

    Maybe.

    ~

    Good to see you, Popeye!

    We missed the rabbit.

  32. “was saying to my better half today that Obama needs to switch gears pronto. He needs to start spelling out what he will do in the next four years. Mitt and Paul are actually starting to preach a conservative version of hope and change. It’s time for Obama to get the lead out.” You didn’t actually watch the speeches today did you Rutherford?

  33. 😆 Aren’t kids great? If it isn’t piss it’s boogers. I love fried green tomatoes, reminds me of Grandma.

  34. “…more high information voters than I realized.” -Newt

    That’d be a refreshing thing to see on TV. I’m amazed sometimes at what the “norm” seems to be with regard to awareness.

    I’ll stop on it next time I pass it making the rounds.

    I think you picked up the right vibe on the race.

  35. I read a whole lot of stuff today about Paul Ryan. I didn’t listen to speeches. I’m certain there will be ample words played and replayed along with critiques from all ends of the spectrum.

    In my time I’ve certainly heard plenty of speeches from politicians of all rank and file, some good and others not so much. I am most impressed when their actions do the speaking for them. Fancy words do little for me.

    But certain speeches inspire and always sound fresh, no matter how many times they are heard or how old they have become. Yeah, I would have loved to have been there for the sermon on the mount.

  36. Tex, @ 13.

    I understand what you are saying, and that is why I wanted to set the record straight with R. Appreciate the offer, but no need to go further.

    But I hope you don’t think you have me entirely figured out. That wouldn’t be much fun. 🙂

    Sorry to hear about your Dad. West Nile,huh? Drain the horse trough. I heard once that if you get bit by a mosquito, you’re standing no more than 100 yards from where it was born.

    USCCB promotes abortion? In clinics? I don’t understand.

    Interesting that you brought up C.S. Lewis. At a time when I was really struggling with the “why” of my sons autism, a friend gave me a copy of one of his books to read. “The Problem With Pain” I believe. It helped me a great deal. I think there is a fourth proposition, Jesus is the son of God, but not His only son.

    Honest question. Tex, if you had been born in Mecca or Laos or Salt Lake City for that matter, do you think you would still be a Christian?

  37. I think you people are being way too pessimistic. We can still do this. Sure we have rung up some big bills, but we had a surplus just 11 years ago. We owe it to our children not to give up.

    And, for every instance you think we’re spending our kids money, remind yourself we are also fighting battles so they will hopefully never have to. I would put the fall of Communist Russia as one. What if we were to end illiteracy, cure cancer, perfect cold fusion. Would that be worth floating some EE bonds on our kids backs?

  38. but we had a surplus just 11 years ago

    a budget surplus means nothing when you still have national debt that is beyond payment. don’t even include citizenry debt there

  39. I posted this over at G’s place. Major surprise to me because I like the Ryan pick:

    In a nationwide survey taken Sunday, 39% of registered voters call Republican contender Mitt Romney’s selection of Ryan “excellent” or “pretty good” while 45% rate it as “only fair” or “poor.” Sixteen percent have no opinion. http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-08-13/ryan-romney-poll/57038326/1

    This is the worst reception for a VP pick since Dan Quayle.

  40. R, its a Sunday poll for a pick done on Saturday. Really, if it is this kind of delusion that will lift your spirits, then by all means, delude away. In my response to you at my place, I point out the DCCC is calling turnout huge as the beg for cash.

  41. I think you people are being way too pessimistic. We can still do this. Sure we have rung up some big bills, but we had a surplus just 11 years ago. We owe it to our children not to give up.

    Obama, who hasn’t yet to pass a budget in 3 years, his own budget he submitted projects a $26 trillion debt by 2025. So no, with this President, we cannot do it.

    R still awaiting on previous, can repost.

  42. Checking out at the store, the young cashier suggested to the much older woman, that she should bring her own grocery bags because plastic bags weren’t good for the environment.

    The woman apologized and explained, “We didn’t have this ‘green thing’ back in my earlier days.”

    The young clerk responded, “That’s our problem today. Your generation did not care enough to save our environment for future generations.”

    She was right — our generation didn’t have the ‘green thing’ in its day.

    Back then, we returned milk bottles, soda bottles and beer bottles to the store and got paid. The store sent them back to the plant to be washed and sterilized and refilled, so it could use the same bottles over and over. So they really were recycled.

    But we didn’t have the “green thing” back in our day.

    Grocery stores bagged our groceries in brown paper bags, that we reused for numerous things, most memorable besides household garbage bags, was the use of brown paper bags as book covers for our schoolbooks. This was to ensure that public property, (the books provided for our use by the school) was not defaced by our scribblings and preserve them for future students.Then we were able to personalize our books on the brown paper bags.

    But too bad we didn’t do the “green thing” back then.

    We walked up stairs, because we didn’t have an escalator in every store and office building. We walked to the grocery store and didn’t climb into a 300-horsepower machine every time we had to go two blocks.

    But she was right. We didn’t have the “green thing” in our day.

    Back then, we washed the baby’s diapers because we didn’t have the throwaway kind. We dried clothes on a line, not in an energy-gobbling machine burning up 220 volts — wind and solar power really did dry our clothes back in our early days. Kids got hand-me-down clothes from their brothers or sisters, not always brand-new clothing.

    But that young lady is right; we didn’t have the “green thing” back in our day.

    Back then, we had one TV, or radio, in the house — not a TV in every room.
    And the TV had a small screen the size of a handkerchief (remember them?), not a screen the size of the state of Montana .

    But that young lady is right, we didn’t have the “green thing” back then.

    In the kitchen, we blendedand stirred by hand because we didn’t have electric machines to do everything for us. When we packaged a fragile item to send in the mail, we used wadded up old newspapers to cushion it, not Styrofoam or plastic bubble wrap.

    But that young lady was right, we didn’t have the “green thing” back in our day.

    Back then, we didn’t fire up an engine and burn gasoline just to cut the lawn. We used a push mower that ran on human power. We exercised by working or walking everywhere so we didn’t need to go to a health club to run on treadmills that operate on electricity.

    But she’s right; we didn’t have the “green thing” back then.

    We drank from a fountain when we were thirsty instead of using a cup or a plastic bottle every time we had a drink of water. We refilled writing pens with ink instead of buying a new pen, and we replaced the razor blades in a razor instead of throwing away the whole razor just because the blade got dull.

    But we didn’t have the “green thing” back then.

    Back then, people took the streetcar or a bus and kids rode their bikes to school or walked instead of turning their moms into a 24- hour taxi service in the family’s $45,000 SUV or van, which cost what a whole house did before the “green thing.” We had one electrical outlet in a room, not an entire bank of sockets to power a dozen appliances. And we didn’t need a computerized gadget to receive a signal beamed from satellites 23,000 miles out in space in order to find the nearest hamburger joint.

    But isn’t it sad the current generation laments how wasteful we old folks were just because we didn’t have the “green thing” back then?

    Please forward this on to another selfish old person who needs a lesson in conservation from a smart ass young person…

    We don’t like being old in the first place, so it doesn’t take much to piss us off…especially from a tattooed, multiple pierced, dyed-hair, metropolitan dressing prick who couldn’t make change without the cash register telling them how much.

  43. “Please forward this on to another selfish old person who needs a lesson in conservation from a smart ass young person…”

    Done.

    Wish we had a Loved button for it.

  44. Interesting that you brought up C.S. Lewis. At a time when I was really struggling with the “why” of my sons autism, a friend gave me a copy of one of his books to read. “The Problem With Pain” I believe. It helped me a great deal. I think there is a fourth proposition, Jesus is the son of God, but not His only son.

    So C.S. Lewis was able to help you with the acceptance of your son, but you choose to believe nothing else Lewis said about Christ? Hmmm. I can see where you make a good Obama groupie. 😀 I think the selective disposition must be genetic with Leftists. Terribly convenient but not rational.

    However, if you understand nothing else you should at least understand this.You can’t say you believe in Jesus or the Bible then deny perhaps the most quoted verse in all the Bible as in ‘only begotten’ Son. There is no other option…so take your pick: Liar, Lunatic, Messiah.

    Only begotten Son, Son of Man, and all the other delineations is nothing more than ways of demonstrating God manifested in flesh. I tell you with assuredness you couldn’t be more wrong. That isn’t said in arrogance but written truth, which I could document for you both Old and New Testament. However, this personal revelation of yours will not be used as ammunition. I give you my word and appreciate what you have shared.

    Honest question. Tex, if you had been born in Mecca or Laos or Salt Lake City for that matter, do you think you would still be a Christian?

    Since this one is of a personal nature, I will share it at Rutherford’s Coliseum (see his banner) and not bore the room with my own personal story, having only this to say to be shared. Your insinuation presupposes that all of us are nothing more than the environment we were raised, does it not?

  45. Camp is apparently good with recounting numbers, just not where they came from. Those military votes weren’t suppressed by the GOP. “Purging” dead people and illegals from the voting roles is a duty of the government, but he doesn’t ask, “who registered an illegal?” The Coleman-Frankin race is a prime example of voter fraud. The margin of victory was ~300 votes, which just magically appeared in closets, trunks of cars, etc. It also had well over 100 felons voting – which they have lost their right to vote – and media contacted some of the felons. 9 out of 10 voted for Frankin and the 1 was probably lying. ACORN chapters have been indicted and convicted of voter fraud. Dem politicians have been indicted and convicted of voter fraud. Dems have a history of voter fraud and intimidation.

    Just another tool with no grasp on facts.

    By the by:

    Poll: 74% of Americans Support Voter ID Laws

    So tell Lee to go fuck himself…

  46. Despite all this evidence of failure and betrayal of his Messiah, Rutherford still cannot cast a vote for the white guy.

    Some very compelling adds gorilla, thanks for posting them and keep them coming.

  47. Paul’s approach is an entirely legitimate proposal… ~ Barack Obama

    My, how times have changed now that’s it’s no longer mutually convenient. Obama should follow his own good advice. What happened, Mr. Rutherford?

  48. R, explain please…

    Documents and a whistle-blower affidavit obtained by The Daily Caller charge that House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, Illinois Democratic Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., and Rev. Jesse Jackson Sr., participated in an unethical — and possibly illegal — effort to force 76 employees of an Illinois state agency to engage in political activity on the taxpayers’ dime.

    According to the whistle-blower, Rev. Jackson also encouraged the government employees to load first-generation and low-income college students up with student loan debt — because Democrats in Congress, he allegedly promised, would eventually pass laws to forgive that debt later. “[T]hose people will continue to vote Democratic,” Jackson Sr. said, according to the whistle-blower.

    On March 3, Pelosi flew to Chicago to endorse Rep. Jackson Jr., 17 days ahead of a heated March 20 Democratic primary he later won. Pelosi was scheduled to make the endorsement at a press conference later in the day, after she participated in an hour-long “forum” hosted by the elder Jackson at the headquarters of his progressive Rainbow PUSH Coalition.

    Pelosi politicized that forum, jumping the gun and endorsing Jackson Jr. earlier than planned.

  49. Anybody want to see Obama lie through his teeth and then get schooled for it?

    My ass he read the bill. He just looks like he’s out there floundering.

    What drugs were you on when you watched that video? Could you give me the name and number of your dealer?

    This comment on that YouTube page captures things quite nicely:

    If only President Obama would speak like this today. Instead all we hear is the rich need to pay their fair share, show me your tax returns, Bain this Bain that, Romney/Ryan want to throw granny off a cliff. Demagoguery is inevitable in an election year unfortunately.

    That was Obama at his best … still looking for reasoned debate from an opposition that hated him from day 1 and refused to play ball.

    The video also nicely captures the difference between the Obama $700 billion “cut” to Medicare vs the Ryan cut. The former is absorbed by unnecessary subsidies, the latter absorbed by the middle class and poor as the savings are passed on to the wealthy via tax decreases.

  50. Does anyone want to be a ten dollar bill to a donut that argument by mother superior would immediately become moot?

    I think you actually made a very good point here. Your contributions to “government run charity” SHOULD count toward your 10% tithe.

  51. But Mother Superior won’t think that. And if anybody thinks government run “charity” is as effective as Catholic Charity, then they ought to run that by Jezebel Superior as a direct response to her good works. 🙂 See how liberals posing as religionists tie themselves in knots, Mr. “R”?

    “R” baby. Remember when you and Thor were insisting that the GM and Chrysler bailouts were a raging Obama success story?

    What’s a failure look like then? I don’t think we can afford anymore successes from Obama.

    Treasury: U.S. to lose $25 billion on auto bailout

    http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120813/AUTO01/208130392

  52. I think you actually made a very good point here. Your contributions to “government run charity” SHOULD count toward your 10% tithe.

    Good. Then you’ll agree that Christians should never pay more than 10% of the paycheck towards taxes of any sort, and we have fulfilled our Christian charity all in one shot? Pass that on to Jezebel the Nun, will you?

    Rutherford has established we have rendered into Caesar what is Caesar’s. I’m going to buy a car after that revelation because my wife just hit the jackpot.

    You’re coming around, “R”.

  53. “That was Obama at his best … still looking for reasoned debate from an opposition that hated him from day 1 and refused to play ball.”

    He didn’t say anything.

    He doesn’t done anything.

    I think you should stick with your dealer R.

  54. Tex, a very poignant account of your father’s situation. I lived in a rehab hospital for five weeks recovering from a tracheotomy and near fatal hypoxia that weakened the crap out of me. If it’s a rehab facility, then it’s a rehab facility. No need to call it a nursing home. I assume some of the folks at your father’s place DO eventually get well enough to go home. If so, then as I say, it’s rehab.

    There’s been a lot of talk on this board about what we leave our children and grandchildren. Honestly, the ONLY thing we can leave them are coping skills. There simply are no guarantees. Many of us bemoan how much better we have it than our kids will. Well frankly, I DON’T have it so great. I haven’t caught a good solid economic break in five f*cking years.

    Do you really think my Dad who has worked all his life ever envisioned that the economy would be so bad that his son would have trouble finding steady income? I don’t blame his generation for my current troubles and I don’t expect my kid to blame mine.

    What you folks fail to understand is that many if not most of our leaders, when they’re not being bought and sold by the richest bidder, are trying to figure out how to survive today’s problems. That’s the immediate need. Not what we leave our kids. Our kids will solve their immediate problems and will do so successfully if we parents give them the coping skill needed for an ever more complicated and unpredictable world.

  55. R, sometimes it’s hard to remember how most people go through the day not submerged in political wonk. Believe it or not, the populous probably didn’t know who Ryan was. His numbers have been rising ever since he was “introduced”. And one more thing, the poll wasn’t about Ryan. It was about the “pick”. You could like Ryan but think it was a bad pick because you think it should have been Rubio. You could hate Ryan but love the pick if you are a Dem and think it will help O’s chances.

    One thing is for sure, Romney ain’t the only Republican that has been energized. Holy crap G! If you ever have a daughter in a beauty pageant, the other moms are never going to know what hit them. Do they make tiaras in camo? 🙂

  56. You didn’t actually watch the speeches today did you Rutherford?

    Newt I was thinking more of Saturday’s speeches. From what I understand the thrill has worn off pretty damn fast.

  57. @ Rutherford….
    I’m lost on how exactly the Tea Party Movement as it is known in general terms was supposed to have done anything prior to its formation.?!
    As for Ryan. LA Times & others be damned. I find nothing that shows the young Ryan was a man of privilege. His dad was a lawyer. His real “family” money didn’t come until after Ryan lived a fairly normal middle class style life.
    Is Ryan rich now? He does indeed appear to have a worth in the millions…so what?
    I think if the (D)’s of the world really insist on pushing the class agenda they should really shut the fuck up about anything brought up about Obama and Scrappy Joe from Scranton. Release of taxes is a nice soundbite but how about an explanation of why these bums,especially Obama,had the income they had. Would you like that conversation again?
    Ryan had a certain upbringing. Romney certainly had a good upbringing. Are we really questioning it though? I mean really, to a large degree the how’s and why’s of Mitts life are pretty open book stuff. I dare say not too unlike the fairy tale of ups and downs that makes up Obama’s early years. Again do we really want that all to be the dialog again?
    There is a part of my political soul that is on its fucking knees saying Thank You!!!! Thanks for actually giving my country and its citizens a chance to make a defining choice. Apparently I need to pray for the folks around me to actually look at the issues that (especially from the R&R side of the table) are a bounty upon the table.

  58. Honest question. Tex, if you had been born in Mecca or Laos or Salt Lake City for that matter, do you think you would still be a Christian?

    Damn what a great question! It speaks to how much our religious beliefs involve revelation of “the truth” vs simply accident of birth.

  59. Really, if it is this kind of delusion that will lift your spirits

    It’s not a matter of spirits or delusion. You made a claim on your blog not supported by the latest polling. Wait for the numbers to flip in a poll three weeks from now and then restate your claim and you won’t get any argument from me.

    Or to put it in the vernacular, don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining.

  60. Regarding G’s “The Obama Economy: It’s Not Working ” dontcha just love a video full of 5 second sound bites? Yeah that’s the thinking man’s way to present information. 🙄

    BOTH of the Obama sound bites were taken out of context. But G has no problem supporting the party of lies and distortion.

  61. Rutherford your 76 is a telling tale of the political and life differences between you and I. out of that comment comes multiple dogs and a couple are about to bite you in the ass.
    There simply are no guarantees.
    Well for a number of years a lot of the right side folks here have been trying to tell you that. Apparently my kid,or to be fair your kid gets no guarantees. The bitch of it though is that there is alternate universe Rutherford who very much believes there are a number of guarantees available or should be readily made available by govt. to select individuals. Doggie says chomp and burps that you need to decide.
    I said it in the other thread, the debt is the Alpha and Omega. Coping skills isn’t gonna cut it brother. We the People need to get on the stick about the leaders and about the solutions. Getting through it day by day isn’t going to help this bunch of addicts.
    Here is an example from our own history.
    We had a tax on long distance calls once upon a time. It was implemented to pay for the Spanish American War. The tax lasted 108 years. It lasted long after the debt was retired. yes the tax was repealed finally. This type of tax is what is needed at a minimum to retire our debt. It is a far more worthy line item on all of our landline,ISP and cell bills than getting broadband to the middle of nowhere and an endless supply of connectivity to schools that curb,control or restrict usage anyway.
    Seriously R there are times I say to myself: I could get along with this guy (you). Then there are other times I wonder why I never drove down to CT and smacked you one when I had the chance.

  62. Honest question. Tex, if you had been born in Mecca or Laos or Salt Lake City for that matter, do you think you would still be a Christian?

    hell that’s just too tangy.
    Mecca= No it wouldn’t be allowed,he wouldn’t even be afforded the opportunity to hear the Word.
    Laos= Yes
    SLC= Yes

  63. Can’t do it, part of the reason why I have to stay behind the scenes. Federal law and all that.

    R, do you possess the ability to actually objectively review anything? Those ads are fun. Yeah, they’re 30 sec spots, but they mirror the last 4 years. Life has proven to be the context.

    As for Obama’s “Forward” meme. I have to actually suspend reality to even give these a chance, because nothing he has done mirrors what he has promised0- both in the past and for the future. He has been shown to be a demonstrable liar, therefore we can only look at his actions for a sign of what he will do. He’s a tyrant.

  64. Good chain letter on the pierced cashier Tex. Well done.

    (Although it did remind me a bit of Dana Carvey’s grumpy old man … “I walked to school in the snow barefoot and backwards and …. I LIKED IT.”)

  65. #80 Thought so. Yesterday, Ryan answered reporters’ questions with, “we will get into specifics later.” Same mistake Romney made for himself, before he even gets to it, the Democrats are doing it for him. Can’t do that and get away with it in the 24-7 new cycle, we have now. During his talk yesterday, every other sentence, Ryan spoke was, “And you know what?” Awkward!

  66. And talk about specifics, Obama made the big announcement about the Dept. Agriculture buying $150 million worth of meat, fish, and poultry in Iowa yesterday. And Obama asked the crowd to ask Ryan when they run into him, why he is holding up the Farm Bill and drought relief for the farmers. And then the President spoke of other specific interests in Iowa and what is being done to address them them.

  67. ”Damn what a great question! It speaks to how much our religious beliefs involve revelation of “the truth” vs simply accident of birth.”

    Rutherford, it’s one of the first ones anyone should ask. Just head over to the coliseum and be patient.

    PS…It’s a little unfair to ask it and not head over there to allow the full answer to be given, or to interfere with the answer over here. Be glad someone cares enough to answer you. 🙂

    To the coliseum, lions! You’re on next.

  68. Regarding G’s “The Obama Economy: It’s Not Working ” dontcha just love a video full of 5 second sound bites? Yeah that’s the thinking man’s way to present information. 🙄

    BOTH of the Obama sound bites were taken out of context. But G has no problem supporting the party of lies and distortion.

    And surprise surprise, you have no comment on the substance. I wonder why that is?

  69. “From what I understand the thrill has worn off pretty damn fast.”

    R-i-i-i-i-ight…….There, there now……It was just a bad dream baby…….Just close your eyes and it will all be over soon……..

  70. What you folks fail to understand is that many if not most of our leaders, when they’re not being bought and sold by the richest bidder, are trying to figure out how to survive today’s problems

    Your correct in your statement but what you fail to understand is you are wrong in your conclusions. Obama is myopic – Paul Ryan is not. Did you not listen to the video I provided? We have $38 trillion in unfunded Medicare. Did you hear Ryan’s suggestion that maybe members of Congress should get to play by the same rules? Got thunderous applause, and then Obama avoided answering the question.

    You’re right. Obama is trying to solve what ails us for three months. To get reelected, which is really his only concern – his legacy.

    But he has solved nothing and taken a bad situation and made it ten times as bad. Obama’s only real strategy is to kick the can down the road, back load the supposed benefit where he can’t be held accountable for creating the problems. That truthfully is Obama’s most chicken shit quality.

    And either you are ignoring that, or aren’t recognizing that. And since I know you not a stupid man, I can only surmise your biggest concern is not problem solving at this moment, but getting Obama elected. 😐 That’s kind of kicking the can too.

    Your personal situation sucks – so does mine. We’re both in a Catch 22, of which only guys like us can appreciate. Too old and too expensive, the difference between the two of us is that while I grin and bear it and simplified my life, you’re fighting to get reestablished. I understand – your daughter is younger. And Yeah, it sucks. I know you capable, even if you are a lib. 😀

    But many of us recognize for the first time in American history, not only are we leaving a debt that cannot be paid by our children, but stealing from our children. We’re not making the country better – we’re making it worse.

    That makes me ashamed and pisses me off at the my parent’s generation for their profane selfishness.

  71. “Your insinuation presupposes that all of us are nothing more than the environment we were raised, does it not?” – Tex

    I will visit the RC, but answer this here. No, but if Christianity is the one true way, then there are huge cultural, geographical and temporal hurdles being placed around billions on this planet. I was wondering more about your own journey. Are you a Christian because of your environment OR was it your path to be born into a Christian environment because you were a Christian soul before your entered this world?

    As for CS Lewis, I said reading him helped me, not that I subscribed to every thought. I have also read the Bible, Plato, the Tao Te Ching, the Zohar, Carl Sagan and Hamza Yusuf.

  72. I lift this from a article by Jason Links, Huffington Post, a few good laughs here, one I know you’ll like about Chuck Schumer. I can picture it myself.
    “But as the above example shows, Ryan has managed to establish this reputation and earn a disproportionate share of forgiveness by doing a lot of things right. For example, he is rare among congresscritters in that he does not behave like a jackass, and steers well clear of the sorts of behaviors that his colleagues evince on a regular basis. You won’t catch Ryan sending out tweets that read as if a small child has smashed a Blackberry into pulp, a la Chuck Grassley. He’s kind and self-effacing, and he presents himself humbly for approval. Unlike, say, Chuck Schumer, you don’t get the sense that you’re putting your life in any particular peril if you accidentally find yourself between him and an available teevee camera. And as so many of his colleagues — Michele Bachmann and Allen West come immediately to mind — earn attention by feeding the “What did he/she just say?” outrage machine, Ryan keeps to his quiet, wonky knitting. He raises his hand, waits to be called upon, has read the morning’s lesson plan.”

  73. “He raises his hand, waits to be called upon, has read the morning’s lesson plan.”

    Then TEAR HIM DOWN LIBERAL MEDIA! We know you can do it. You went through Palin’s junk mail, kept tabs on her preference for feminine hygiene products, and evaluated the sex life of her teenage daughter but can; turn up Obama’s transcripts.

    Plus I hear from a reliable source that Ryan had it easy growing up. 🙄

  74. I answered in part, Thor on the sands of Rome. I will answer the rest when you have answered one of mine.

    But let’s not kid ourselves. Plato, the Tao Te Ching, the Zohar, Carl Sagan, and Hamza Yusuf did not make the claims Christ made. They’re mere items of curiosity more than profound influence when compared to the claims of Christ and the sphere of influence.

    In analogous terms we understand, YMCA basketball to the Dream Team.

    I will happily answer your questions when posed, even admitting it would be sheer hubris if I thought I could answer all of them.

  75. I think Thor you make one fatal flaw in your juggling of math. You treat government under the same set of rules as you would a corporation. They are not one in the same.

    If you had substituted corporation in place of government, I would agree with the premise of your question. But the economics of government are not the economics of capitalism.

    What you call revenue, I call a cost – as in a tax. I think the term “revenue” has to be one of the most ludicrous euphemisms for reallocation of resource ever constructed.

    It’s like the hyphenated American stuff.

  76. I will have to research this, but I would imagine the “our plan worked” thing is probably referring to the Clinton years. So help me, if I find this was taken out of context, I’m going to drop a butt load of “I like firing people” and “I’m not concerned about the very poor” all over this place. 🙂

  77. Before we pay down the debt, we have to keep from increasing the debt. This year, our federal cash outlay will be almost one quarter of the entire American economic system.

    Why do liberals always first make the assumption the current size of our federal government optimal? Would each of you liberals not agree, all things equal, the most optimal size of a cost, and believe it or not, everything in government has a cost associated with it, would be the lowest common denominator still meeting the needs of the constituency?

    Can’t we at least agree on that much?

  78. Biden on Romney: ‘They’re going to put y’all back in chains

    Rutherford,

    If you’re half as intelligent as I think you are, this kind of pandering is exactly why I believe you should detest men like Joe Biden. I won’t even ask you and try to justify this kind of commentary, because it wouldn’t be fair to you.

    But this is beyond pitiful. It is laughable.

  79. R, racism?

    Video: Biden: Romney Is “Going To Put Y’all Back In Chains”…

    This morning in Virginia, Vice President Joe Biden dropped some shocking and offensive language in ripping into Mitt Romney’s economic plans. Stooping to a new low, Biden said, “Romney wants to let the—he said in the first 100 days, he’s going to let the big banks once again write their own rules–unchain Wall Street. They gonna put y’all back in chains.”

    The southern accent Biden adopts for that last line is deeply disturbing; it’s a clear reference to slavery. The city of Danville, where Biden was speaking, has a black population of 48.6 percent; 19.8 percent of all Virginians are black. Those facts surely did not go unnoticed by Biden. This is race-baiting as its finest. It is despicable.

  80. I answered in part, Thor on the sands of Rome. I will answer the rest when you have answered one of mine. – T

    Sorry. Was just getting through this new stuff first. Now that I’m reading your stuff again, it takes a while longer. 🙂

  81. Newton, did you pass my message to Wattle Jean?

    Tell Wattle Jean I’m sharpening my hatchet and though she’ll probably taste like shit, we’ll dip her fat breast in the fryer anyway to hear the sizzle.

    I’ll remove the oxygen tube for eveyone’s protection before entry. 😉

  82. Well Thor, I guess I could outline my responses? You want the executive summary format?

    But if you’re reading the book and still not understanding the prologue, I doubt any length of answer will do.

  83. ”They gonna put y’all back in chains.”

    That dirty POS. Shame on him.

    ”As for CS Lewis, I said reading him helped me, not that I subscribed to every thought. I have also read the Bible, Plato, the Tao Te Ching, the Zohar, Carl Sagan and Hamza Yusuf.”

    Remind Rutherford of that next time he brings up Ayn Rand, wouldja?

  84. “Well guess what, if the food stamp program wasn’t tied to the Farm Bill, farmers would be up the creek without a paddle, urban Congressmen simply would not vote for subsidies for farmers.”

    So Ryan blocked the Farm Bill as alleged by Obama? No comprendo.

  85. Gone fishing…

    P.S. R, I don’t know where you found that wench from, but that was one of the most intellectually dishonest cop-outs I’ve ever seen. She’s a hack and you’d do well to let that dead weight go…

  86. Rutherford still cannot cast a vote for the white guy.

    You truly need to cut that sh*t out. White has nothing to do with it. I voted for Carter, Mondale, Clinton, Gore, Dukakis and Obama. Only one wasn’t white.

  87. “FWIW John Sununu is an ass.”

    Shame on you too then because the one on the left side of the screen is supposed to be a fucking journalist.

  88. FWIW John Sununu is an ass.

    Why? Because Sununu had the ‘audacity’ to call that wench Soledad O’Brien a hack, an Obama shill and a liar? Real news reporting, hey? 😉 Twice she’s been busted for reading talking points off liberal blogs during the ‘debates’ when they erroneously panned over to her. But FOX News is biased. 🙄

    I’m so tired of your glaring double standards. Bottom line Rutherford is you’re hopelessly biased and completely unobjective
    when it comes to political discussion, it’s almost worthless to attempt to reason with you. I might as well be talking to the brainless Newton and her lists.

    Elric was right about you.

  89. “Obama is NOT following a Clinton economic plan, so calling Clinton’s economic success is just a fat lie. One of many, I know…” – G

    Then save me the trouble. What was he talking about? Stimulus?

  90. To be fair to Rutherford I’m still miffed having just finished reading #69 in its entirety.

    Which made me realize that the beloved bumbling bullshitter Joe Biden may actually be the least corrupt of them all.

  91. “Why do liberals always first make the assumption the current size of our federal government optimal?” -Tex

    I don’t make that assumption. I would love to see govt cut too. We just disagree on what needs to go. Let’s start with the D of Homeland Security and eliminating govt healthcare … for Congress.

  92. Alfie, I’m not making a judgment on Ryan’s upbringing … I just don’t want a myth to emerge that he somehow had an economically hardscrabble life and that myth was poking its ugly head up on Saturday evening.

  93. Alfie, regarding the deficit, it could be argued that is a problem NOW, not just in the future. Hence framing it as “what we’re doing to our children and grandchildren” seems to me to misplace the point.

    If we weren’t in such debt, there would have been no debt ceiling debate and no subsequent S&P slap in our face. That was a current problem. When you take care of today, tomorrow, to some extent, takes care of itself.

  94. You guys have the farm bill thing wrong. It’s a pissing match between Boehner and Reid. Farmers are paying for it and soon we will be. James?

    I don’t know what Obama offered Harry, but he sure has been doing his dirty work lately. (Sec. of Interior maybe?)

  95. My wife and I didn’t hang diapers. That’s for sure. But my mother did.

    When my sister was born in 1972 my mother swore, “there is no way I’m putting paper on my child’s behind” and sure enough not a Pamper was seen in the house. It was cloth diapers all the way, washed and dried.

    When my daughter was born we never did tell Grammy that Pampers (or Huggies or whatever) were being employed. 🙂

  96. For some reason I thought Thatcher had already passed. I know she had Alzheimers just like Reagan.

    I agree she was a phenomenon. Meryl Streep did a good job portraying her.

    R.I.P.

  97. Chains? A slip of the tongue, like “blah” people. But the accent?
    Nobody accidentally slips into an accent. Stupid.

    And just when we were starting to talk about budgets and farm bills and stuff. 😉

  98. We just disagree on what needs to go. Let’s start with the D of Homeland Security and eliminating govt healthcare … for Congress.

    It may surprise you for the former, I’m not averse. But while we are at it, why don’t we including Dept of Ed, Trans, HUD, Energy too? Somebody, anybody justify those boondoggles for me.

    Why don’t we take a good look at revamping the SEC? Anybody think the idea of one out of six being on foodstamps productive, or being liable for billions in interest payments each year? Do any of you wish to mortgage the nation like a house? The ultimate balloon payment when the bill comes due?

    In fact, I would make a heart felt statement that our Government does very little efficiently. They’re effective sometimes with billions to allocate, but who wouldn’t be? Give me a trillion in stimulus, and I can assure you I can build a fabulous infrastructure and still take care of all my cronies.

    It is a given our entitlement programs are going to go broke as is. So why are we fighting the battle to create more dependency and more red tape?

    Why would anybody of sound mind be in a hurry to enlarge government, when neither party has shown a real will to eliminate large parts of it? I’m willing to hold Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan to their promises, without undue influence of just the sake of winning.

    They’ll deliver, or I’ll find somebody else that will. I’ll even help run them to the curb. But Obama has so dramatically increased the scope of government in less than four years with undeniable waste, his opportunity for fixing things is up. Obama is clearly a monumental failure. He’s got to go.

    So this election really comes down to a simple question. Do you want more government when it clearly doesn’t work well?

  99. Rutherford
    431 and 353(gave a glance at and dismissed Those facts have been verified and Obama admin has not refuted them. If you have forgotten the context of any of these I can repost in full) 131 paragraph 7(your thoughts on my opinion) All from last post.

  100. Shame on you too then because the one on the left side of the screen is supposed to be a fucking journalist.

    Does one lose one’s journalistic credentials simply because they tell a positive truth about Obama? Soledad cited objective sources including the CBO. Sununu is addicted to being an attack dog. He could, believe it or not, learn a few lessons from Chris Christie. Chris is combative but almost in a charming way.

  101. “Chains” was not a slip of the tongue. – ET

    I didn’t mean to say it was. I was just saying it could be played that way, as blah people was. But there’s no denying the accent thing.

  102. John Roberts was brilliant.

    You deserve Solidad, R.

    How long before grotesque becomes the new standard of beauty?

  103. How long before grotesque becomes the new standard of beauty?

    In most leftist circles it already is. For instance, Soledad O’Brien did nothing of the sort. The argument was about a Dimocratic Senate holding up a bill. Soledad O’Brien is perhaps the worst of the leftist hacks on TV. Anyone note she is reading blog notes during her conversations?

    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/08/14/cameras-catch-cnn-anchor-soledad-obrien-reading-liberal-blog-during-debate-with/

    Or do the cameras lie too, Rutherford?

    No matter. CNN is dangling by a rope. Good riddance…

  104. Thor, the “we tried their plan and we tried our plan and it worked” WAS a reference to the Clinton admin, not to the Obama admin.

    Let me help you on this one Thor … whenever you see any ad from the GOP, Romney campaign, Crossroads GPS, etc, etc. where Obama is shown uttering only one phrase or one sentence, you can bet your last dollar the ad is a bold faced lie. That’s what angers me about the current crop and their toadies (Tex, Gorilla, Tigre, etc.). They regurgitate this unmitigated crap.

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/07/26/we-tried-our-plan-fox-limbaugh-amp-co-truncate/187344

    Let me be very clear. I have repeatedly denounced the “cancer ad” and I’m ashamed of everyone from Bob Gates to David Axelrod for not apologizing for it.

  105. JOE BIDEN LEAVES A CAMPAIGN TRAIL OF DISASTER: In Virginia: “We Can Win North Carolina!”

    😆 :lol; 😆

    Helpless Joe and puttin; them mofoking shoes on their necks!

    Is it just me, or does these liberals assuring us of big victory in November sound a little desperate these days?

  106. I’ve always enjoyed the tone of desperation from R that tracks Obama’s. It’s like a canary in a coal mine.

    R, I won’t even bother challenging you to locate the “unmitigated crap” you contend that I parrot (as you do with MSNBC). It doesn’t exist and the irony that eludes you is always good for a chuckle.

    But I will say thank God you were here to cap the lies about Ryan’s privileged upbringing before they got out of control. There was a lot of confusion there that the press and his opponents would’ve overlooked. 🙄 Bravo.

  107. Tex, be careful — we don’t want you to jinx Rutherford’s perfect track record when it comes to predicting political outcomes.

    What’s Palin up to these days?

  108. The New Black Panthers are just another act in this dog and pony show. They in no way reflect the ideology of the original. If they did, we’d see the FBI take them down. Again.

  109. Tex, be careful — we don’t want you to jinx Rutherford’s perfect track record when it comes to predicting political outcomes.

    😈 A true modern day Whig prophet. 😈

  110. Tigre,

    One thing I was happy about today. After calling Rutherford a host of pejoratives for four years, he finally referred to me as toady today!

    I’m getting somewhere with him.

  111. Then save me the trouble. What was he talking about? Stimulus?” – Thor

    Fuck if I know. Obama claims his plan worked. What fucking plan because ain’t shit working. You speculated Clinton, and this sure as shit ain’t what Clinton did, nor is this the outcome Clinton got.

    That’s what I keep asking you clowns, what the fuck is your plan?

  112. No shit. What is “our plan?”

    Time for some Gorilla radio. Bubbles Berhns is like a monkey humping a football when you call in. You could at least give us a time marker on the broadcast so no one has to suffer through all of the nervous laughter and misplaced scoffing to locate the sweet spot.

  113. R, you should be angry and embarrassed by that bitch. She essentially admitted to being a hack, a hatchet man intent on tearing down whatever she’as told to target. This is why the left loses time and time again in the arena of ideas – you can’t think for yourself. You haven’t been told what the plan is, so you’re on attack mode until the liberal gods deign you worthy of the ‘plan’.

    This is why liberal media is collapsing. Its transparently biased and thrives on nothing but negatives. For liberals, everyone is a ‘victim’ with a ’cause’ for exploitation. You don’t see people, you see sob stories to emotionally exploit for political gain. THAT’s why it doesn’t matter whether any of your plans are successful – success isn’t the point. The point is to entrench your claws into every fabric of someones life so that you can ‘benevolently’ dictate their lives.

    Jesus, you’re like those ORCON commercials. Whatever lie works to get in the door, like a bunch of fucking cockroaches….

    Seriously R, you’d do far better to drop that hack from your show.

  114. Well Tigre, I’m glad you like the commentary, though today was a bit rushed. Still, she clearly demonstrated that she is nothing more than a hack- a hatchet man. She’s only their to tear others down, which is so like liberalism…

    For the rest of you, my call is around time tic 45 min mark.

  115. “Soledad O’Brien is perhaps the worst of the leftist hacks on TV.”

    “Anyone note she is reading blog notes during her conversations?”

    Hideous. She could have blinked with the vertical irises of a reptile during that interview and I would not have been surprised.

    It’s like the guest is the there to present the opposing viewpoint for crying out loud.

    I need to look at something beautiful right now.

  116. G, she ran away, and quickly. It was most amusing. I wish I could’ve seen the look on her face when R told her it was her turn to respond. Priceless.

  117. Thanks Gorilla, I needed that.

    “Obama cannot articulate it!” has teeth. You’re right. He can’t.

    Sandi, after passing up multiple opportunities to respond – plus a minute or so stall from R – chuckles awkwardly and mumbles something about the remaining time like she’s actually clear on some reply but, alas, no time. Poor girl. I really don’t envy her and R might not need to drop her. She’ll either find another partner or force Rutherford to tape the call in guests ahead of time and give her the audio the day before.

    Rutherford has a measure of grace under pressure though, I’ll give him that.

  118. OK R, tell me how Romney is wrong and Obama is right.

    This is what Obama did on welfare:

    While the TANF work participation requirements are contained in section 407, section 402(a)(1)(A)(iii) requires that the state plan “[e]nsure that parents and caretakers receiving assistance under the program engage in work activities in accordance with section 407.” Thus, HHS has authority to waive compliance with this 402 requirement and authorize a state to test approaches and methods other than those set forth in section 407, including definitions of work activities and engagement, specified limitations, verification procedures, and the calculation of participation rates. As described below, however, HHS will only consider approving waivers relating to the work participation requirements that make changes intended to lead to more effective means of meeting the work goals of TANF.

    Below is analysis of what Obama is doing and why it is wrong. Note specifically Section 402. If you want to read the actual law, go here.

    Today the Obama Administration issued a new directive stating that the traditional TANF work requirements can be waived or overridden by a legal device called the section 1115 waiver authority under the Social Security law (42 U.S.C. 1315).

    Section 1115 states that “the Secretary may waive compliance with any of the requirements” of specified parts of various laws. But this is not an open-ended authority: Any provision of law that can be waived under section 1115 must be listed in section 1115 itself. The work provisions of the TANF program are contained in section 407 (entitled, appropriately, “mandatory work requirements”). Critically, this section, as well as most other TANF requirements, are deliberately not listed in section 1115; they are not waiveable.

    In establishing TANF, Congress deliberately exempted or shielded nearly all of the TANF program from the section 1115 waiver authority. They did not want the law to be rewritten at the whim of Health and Human Services (HHS) bureaucrats. Of the roughly 35 sections of the TANF law, only one is listed as waiveable under section 1115. This is section 402.

    Section 402 describes state plans—reports that state governments must file to HHS describing the actions they will undertake to comply with the many requirements established in the other sections of the TANF law. The authority to waive section 402 provides the option to waive state reporting requirements only, not to overturn the core requirements of the TANF program contained in the other sections of the TANF law.

    The new Obama dictate asserts that because the work requirements, established in section 407, are mentioned as an item that state governments must report about in section 402, all the work requirements can be waived. This removes the core of the TANF program; TANF becomes a blank slate that HHS bureaucrats and liberal state bureaucrats can rewrite at will.

    In a December 2001 document, “Welfare Reform Waivers and TANF,” the non-partisan Congressional Research Service clarified that the limited authority to waive state reporting requirement in section 402 does not grant authority to override work and other major requirements in the other sections of the TANF law (sections that were deliberately not listed under the section 1115 waiver authority):

    Technically, there is waiver authority for TANF state plan requirement; however, [the] major TANF requirements are not in state plans. Effectively, there are no TANF waivers.

    Obviously, if the Congress had wanted HHS to be able to waive the TANF work requirements laid out in section 407, it would have listed that section as waiveable under section 1115. It did not do that.

  119. Hideous. She could have blinked with the vertical irises of a reptile during that interview and I would not have been surprised.

    😆 Then she slithers off the stage.

    When I used to converse with those nags at Fat Grannies, in the theater of my mind, I pictured a gaggle of Ewoks blinking at the screen as I insulted them.

  120. Damn, that was a fabulous Romney speech. I really liked that 96 seconds. That’s how Romney needs to be all the time.

    And that really is Obama’s campaign strategy. Conquer, divide, insult, and the hope to cobble back together 51% of the general populace to kiss his ass.

  121. Rutherford, the only reason I tune in for that snore fest of a radio show is becuase of Gorillia. He needs to be a regular guest. That Sandy lady , after telling Gorillia she has only one minute to adress his points (thus, won’t ) spends 15 minutes explaining why she doesn’t have to adress Gorillia’s points.

    Seriously, I was entertained.

  122. They in no way reflect the ideology of the original. If they did, we’d see the FBI take them down.

    Yeah Poolman, the FBI would take down all three of them. 😉

  123. This is why liberal media is collapsing. Its transparently biased and thrives on nothing but negatives.

    WTF???? Have you EVER watched Fox News?

    G, read your comments again dude … this IS your brain on drugs.

  124. In Sandi’s defense I didn’t actually give her a lot of time “alone” with G. The great majority of the time was between us and Sandi got in only about a 2 minute shot.

  125. Sandi, after passing up multiple opportunities to respond

    Honestly, this is too tough a critique. G actually targeted his comment to Sandi (licking his chops for a battle) and I broke in and hogged the conversation. We didn’t have a lot of time left for Sandi to respond.

  126. Thor, actually the farm bill is being held up in committee, a certain group of Republicans including Paul Ryan don’t want to put it before the full House for a up or down vote.

  127. G, regarding your quotes on the waiver …. from my reading, being an amateur at reading policy, the worst that can be said is that HHS does not have the authority (under 1115?) to issue the waivers. That’s a process problem. It does NOT speak to the intent of the waivers which are to give states more flexibility to get MORE people onto the work rolls. One thing I read is that some states would like less paper work and bureaucracy in getting their job done.

    As we stated on the radio show this afternoon, this waiver was originally championed by GOP governors back in the day … INCLUDING ROMNEY.

  128. That Sandy lady , after telling Gorillia she has only one minute to adress his points

    You weren’t listening. I told her she only had a couple of minutes to address his points. Her reaction was that she would have trouble doing it in only a couple of minutes.

    It’s amazing how bias skews what folks hear when they are supposedly listening.

  129. I just learned tonight that Michigan is the fifth most obese state in the country. Now I know Rabbit is in pretty good shape so that means by the law of averages that Noah must be a real fat ass. 🙂

  130. Oh don’t worry R. Sandi made quite the case that two minutes isn’t enough time, and then she took if farther and spent 12 minutes explaing why she never has to respond to Gorillia. No bias here, buddy. She used 12 minutes of air time essentially talking about Gorillia after he hung up. She had ample time to respond to what the man said.

  131. Tex, turns out you didn’t go into moderation. You got outright spammed. I just rescued you. Sorry it took so long.

    Rabbit, 250 at 6’2 sounds like football physique. But I’ll take your word for it. Fat ass it is. You just let Noah off the hook. 🙂

  132. Rmoney may face some charges for his out of the country fund raising. It is still highly illegal, apparently. Moreso now with CU. It seems some of his contributors were not dual citizens (WTF is with that shit anyway, and why don’t all nations count?), and well, they thought it best not to keep a record of who gave how much when. But since his buddies in the banking business don’t follow rules, and when they do break them rarely suffer for it, he probably will get off with a harsh word or two. I am so tired of folks in control not following the rules they expect the rest of us to.

  133. My understanding of the Farm bill is there are two of them. One is an emergency aid program to help with the drought. It is blatantly political. The other issue is policy.

    The Senate has passed a version of the main farm bill which like most, will be effective for around five years, I think. Items for debate include farm subsidies and who gets them. One option is to remove direct crop payments because the rural economy is good right now. Subsidies for crop insurance would continue.

    Both right and left want to reform the bill. Chairman Frank Lukus of Oklahoma wants to get the bill passed but he said management is less eager. He means the House leadership which fears or supports the Tea Party.

    It is more of the same inability to compromise. Farmers must have some inkling of what the new law will mandate, so they can make plans for next year.

    If the current law expires or is not continued and another law is not passed, farm legislation reverts back to 1947, I think That will be very bad for us all.

  134. If we return to 1947, we all will be learning the meaning of “parity.” It is a word to fear in this context. Both sides are playing chicken without realizing the possible outcome.

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