Some Measure of Justice

When we awoke last Friday morning to the news of the senseless massacre in Aurora, Colorado, we could be forgiven for at least temporarily losing hope of a just world. Where is the fairness in a six-year-old girl going to see a movie and losing her life? What kind of metaphysical sick joke is it for a woman who only weeks ago survived an attack from a crazed gunman in a Canadian mall, to come home and lose her life in a theater? But if we just wait a bit, if we have patience and faith in the give and take that is life, we see glimmers of justice shine through.

Such was the case Monday when the NCAA imposed death by a thousand cuts on the football program at Penn State University. The university, the silent incubator of a disgusting child abuse scandal, was fined $60 million by the NCAA. They have been forbidden to compete in post-season games for the next four years, making their ranking among other college teams completely irrelevant. They received severe scholarship cuts and their victories from 1998 to 2011 have been vacated.

Perhaps the most fitting punishment of all did not come from the NCAA and was symbolic in nature. The statue of the deceased head of the football program, Joe Paterno was taken down. In the wake of his passing, this hero to many was revealed to be a coward who knowingly covered up the crimes of his colleague Jerry Sandusky. Those who silently allow abuse to happen come in a close second to the actual perpetrators when it comes to depravity. Paterno prioritized the wealth and prestige of his program over the safety of innocent children.

His family has protested the NCAA ruling and the removal of his statue. Their lack of contrition and humility only underscores how unfair it is that Paterno did not live to see his program demolished and his reputation destroyed. There is some consolation that he is receiving in death the dishonor he deserved in life. That is some measure of justice.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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1,032 thoughts on “Some Measure of Justice

  1. Never in a million years did I think Barry Switzer, resident Oklahoma sleazeball former football coach and Dimocratic hack, along with the Penn State fans would be taking on the world, but I stick to my conclusions on the previous thread….

    That your conclusion, along with the vast majority of America who doesn’t understand the NCAA like I do, unfairly penalizes thousands of people for years whose livelihood depends on the college athletics and had absolutely nothing to do with this. Let’s fire the groundskeepers and the scoreboard attendants too.

    Grind Paterno into the dust – take away the wins. His legacy is in tatters. Administrators have been fired who helped in the coverup, and in fact I would send them to the pen for about 3-5 to think about their complicity. Sandusky? I kind of like Raji’s conclusions on the previous thread of these scumbags being stoned. 😈

    But the NCAA involvement? Sheer emotion, carried out by the dirtiest hands this side of Obama and Axelrod. The $60MM fine is extortion that won’t be used for anything but politically correct leftism masquerading as child protection. 🙄 You watch. I’ve seen this act a dozen times before by the NCAA.

    If money is to be paid, divvy it up amongst the victims then.

    This wasn’t recruiting violations or alumni cheating like SMU who received the death penalty. What the NCAA was established for was to oversee college athletics and recruiting rules violations.

    The NCAA enforcement program strives to maintain a level playing field for the more than 400,000 student-athletes. Commitment to fair play is a bedrock principle of the NCAA. The NCAA upholds that principle by enforcing membership-created rules that ensure equitable competition and protect the well-being of student-athletes at all member institutions.

    The enforcement program is dedicated to creating positive student-athlete experiences by preserving the integrity of the enterprise. The mission of the NCAA enforcement program is to reduce violations of NCAA legislation and impose appropriate penalties if violations occur. The program is committed to the fairness of procedures and to the timely and equitable resolution of infractions cases.

    What happened was criminal and should have been treated as such. It was a matter for the courts and the legal system. What student athletes were protected again?

  2. R, from what I know of it, I agree with you with one exception: the Paterno family’s so-called “lack of contrition and humility.” I don’t believe they owe the world (“you people”) “contrition.” The shame cast upon them is immeasurable and makes them victims too, you know. I feel badly for the Paterno family as I feel badly for the Holmes family.

  3. Damn Rutherford. Not to rub it in or anything, but these bogus charges about the Tea Party almost correlate with the sordid Tea Party posts on your blog. 😀 I’m glad you apparently learned your lesson about jumping to the MSNBC gun and Brian Ross newsflash.

    How about one for old times sake? FLASHBACK: the census-taker was supposedly hanged by extremist anti-tax Tea Partiers. In fact, he hanged himself.

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/331245.php

  4. Tex, I fully get where you’re coming from and I particularly agree that the $60 million should go towards the victims. I disagree with you one point. The administrators of this university knowingly allowed their premises to be used for child rape. They did this due to a pathology called institutional preservation at all costs. Therefore, the institution, not just the individuals, needs to be punished.

    We can only hope that the next time a program head hears his coach is raping little boys in the college shower, he’ll call the f*cking cops.

  5. Tigre, you make a valid point but the LAST thing they should be doing is whining about the unfairness of it all. They should have said “no comment”.

  6. Tex, I won’t ask you to listen to today’s show so I’ll just tell you. Brian Ross is my Twerp of the Week.

    Should I call in? Can I talk to Sandi? 🙂

    I want piece of that Gorilla action. Gorilla has been hogging way too much fun.

  7. The administrators of this university knowingly allowed their premises to be used for child rape. They did this due to a pathology called institutional preservation at all costs. Therefore, the institution, not just the individuals, needs to be punished.

    And I cede your point. I’m not defending Penn State’s sport program and I never liked the SOBs to begin with as I almost always root against them, but I want the right people punished.

    But I don’t think the institution was Penn State. I think the institution was Joe Pa – a legend in college football.

    Trust me. You have no idea how powerful these athletic institutions have become. What I’ve seen at my Alma mater is sickening. Basically, booting people out of their homes of 40 years to raze their homes and build ann indoor practice facility for the football team while the alumni like me turn the blind eye.

    But the NCAA doing the enforcement? That’s like bringing the pigeons to the cat.

  8. I don’t give a shit about Paterno’s family. His wife married a fruad and a man that lets little boy’s get butt raped. Her bad. I’m willing to bet his sons knew. Those programs are run by a tight knit group. Everyone knew. Worrying about the vile NCAA dishing out justice is like having concerns over murderers and gang members killing molesters in prison.

  9. Worrying about the vile NCAA dishing out justice is like having concerns over murderers and gang members killing molesters in prison.

    That may be true for one side of the equation about Sandusky and the other scumbags including Paterno, but we aren’t pulling $60MM out of the state sponsored institution for the murderers and gang members to live large for doing so either.

    And that is exactly where that $60MM will go – to a bunch of political bureaucrats and major league hypocrites with an agenda, who have no qualms about lining their own pockets and their well heeled cronies in the process. They’ve (the NCAA Oversight Committee) been busted themselves for some pretty egregious shit, Rabbit.

    Doesn’t that reek of those politicians we all despise? Yet, this time we are supposed to stand up and cheer because an entire school is being punished for the actions of a few? Let me tell you what PSU will do to cover the losses – raise the rates.

    In essence, the NCAA just robbed the citizens of a state supported school of Pennsylvania out of $60MM dollars to set up a shop of their own choosing to be “shared” across the nation completely unsupervised and I doubt with so much as a hint of an audit.

    Obama calls that revenue – I call it legalized theft and reallocation of the state’s funds to be divided amongst executive thieves.

    If money is the issue to be used as punishment, then if the NCAA is honest, divvy it up equally among the victims and be done with it.

  10. It’s my opinion, based on direct experience, that the NCAA is not there for the athletes, nor are they particularly interested in justice.

    The same goes for school administrators and the athletic departments and the coaches. Even the good ones. As long as everything’s OK in their own worlds (job security, reputations, personal safety) – they’re content to look the other way. They really are ruthless people.

    I don’t even think it’s as much about preserving the institution so much as preserving oneself. Self-preservation is a powerful motivation to lie.

    I don’t think the athletes should be made to suffer any punishment. Everybody else – yes. The statue should be destroyed without ceremony or a filmed record. All references to Paterno and Sandusky should be stricken from the records, trophies and photos. But let the photos remain. Let the trophies be re-etched or just add a strike through their names. Don’t run from the the reminders. Rather, spit on their memories openly.

    Actually a few commenters in the last thread came up with some creative solutions, and that’s what’s called for here.

  11. Damn, I am glad I listened to Rutherford’s crap on the radio. That Obama speech was even worse than the soundbite?

    Reduce the deficit by a trillion two? With Obama’s suggestion? Try about $5.4 billion that would be raised. Rutherford, your math skills are awful and the MSM isn’t let them get away with anything, you fool. They’re in the tank for Obama more than you are, rube? 🙄

  12. Here’s a heads up for you, Rutherford. You need to wake up, son. You couldn’t be more wrong and we have almost 50 years of trying it your way to prove it.

    Your ideology of which you are “going to vote” guarantees the poor will stay poor. It’s not Mitt Romney who is the fault of people remaining poor. We’ve spent $15 trillion of other people’s money called The Great Society to raise the ship and it sunk because of dopes of your philosophy. It doesn’t work. How much more money do we need to shove down the rat hole before even your marginal math skills recognize that?

    You’ve created a dependency of bloated bureaucracy and helplessness, and we now have more poor people than ever…

  13. I can’t let this pack of lies spewing forth from you and Sandi to go unchallenged anymore if the invite still stands. That was nauseating and it didn’t rate as propaganda. It rated red alert lies.

    What reality were you sitting in today?

    I’ve been wanting to go head to head in a forum with you for a while live. You tell me you’re fast on your feet in a debate. We shall see.

    What are the rules on the radio? Can you cuss? 🙂 Because I’m afraid there would have been a bevy of “BULLSH##!!!s” coming out of my mouth.

    3472020742. Just got it.

  14. Tell Sandi gun control does not reduce the number of deaths. 🙄

    South Chicago and Washington D.C..

    Specious debate, specious examples. How many gun deaths Rutherford do you see in the white suburbs of America, where many people are armed to the teeth? Practically none existent.

  15. On second thought, I couldn’t call in. Rutherford, if you are ever going to go it alone, give me a heads up.

    Sandi is beyond help. I’d spend the entire time having to explain her mistakes before I could even ask one question. She doesn’t get anything right. I mean that. Nothing.

    I can’t believe I am listening to this garbage…but you could do me a huge, huge favor?

    Convince Obama to parrot Sandi’s message for more gun control, would you? If Sandi is just sure more and more people are leaning for more gun control, it’s a big win for you. 😉

  16. It usually takes Noah several days to realize there is a new thread so I’m reposting this here for all to see. Note to Noah when you finally get here … you’re way more of a crackpot than I ever dreamed.

    Why?

    I worked nearly a decade for the city and county. It is expressly forbidden to get into any confrontation with a landowner beyond verbal. It is specifically stated that under no circumstances are you to lay a hand on them. This individual did this several times including ignoring a posted warning.

  17. Does anyone know if the school intends to continue to pay for the education of the student athletes that choose not to leave?

  18. <Why?

    I worked nearly a decade for the city and county. It is expressly forbidden to get into any confrontation with a landowner beyond verbal. It is specifically stated that under no circumstances are you to lay a hand on them. This individual did this several times including ignoring a posted warning.

  19. Why?

    I worked nearly a decade for the city and county. It is expressly forbidden to get into any confrontation with a landowner beyond verbal. It is specifically stated that under no circumstances are you to lay a hand on them. This individual did this several times including ignoring a posted warning.

    Because it isn’t being done by the city or county…it is being done my a contractor with Centerpoint Energy.

    And Centerpoint Energy claims that you cannot refuse the meters, because they have been ordered by the public utilities commission to install them.

    http://www.centerpointenergy.com/services/electricity/residential/smartmeters/faq/#4

    I scanned the order and attachments for about 50 pages, and didn’t see where the homeowner was obliged to let the contractors change the meters, but I also didn’t research the language of the code sections referred to either.

    http://www.centerpointenergy.com/staticfiles/CNP/Common/SiteAssets/doc/AMS%20Final%20Order.pdf

    I don’t think that she wins in her argument that this amounts to an unreasonable search and seizure, since the energy company is not a governmental agency, no matter how regulated as an agency they might be.

  20. I understand that it was a contractor, many of which I worked with in my capacity with the city/county. I still believe they have policy that states that they are not to have a physical altercation with property owners. Also the courts are soon ruling allowing residence to refuse these meters.

  21. So Rutherford, understanding you are opposed to what is being done to the donors who have been outted by your Messiah, does this at all effect your support or your vote? I consider this a gross misuse of government resources myself. Still waiting on the previous two questions.

  22. Nagic, have you ever been diagnosed with ASD? (Autistic Syndrome Disorder) It would explain your extreme focus on the RL blog.

    Do you feel I am being unfair in my assessment of Rutherford? Do you feel that he does not duck questions that expose his flawed ideology? Do you think he is fair in his assessment of his own party and judges them with the same values as he judges the right?

  23. I’m sure this has been said before, probably right on this blog, but what really bugs me about the “you didn’t build your business” speech is that it implies business owners don’t pay taxes. Not only did they build their business, they also built the roads and paid my salary as a teacher. They pay me. It is the businessman that built government. It was an asshole thing to say.

  24. “family got plenty. Society is not owed a display for its passive edification.” Tigre

    Say that in words that a toothless man with a pitchfork and torch shouting in an angry mob would understand. Me don’t understand.

  25. ASD would explain Nagic’s refusal to let go of a conversational thread that he wants to pursue, regardless of whether others have moved on. And it would explain his lack of social graces, for example, constantly referring to “your Messiah” (along with his other rudeness towards the host). So Nagic, who claims over and over that he so wants a discussion actually is unable to hold one. That’s definitely something an ASD person would do. Yes, ASD pretty much sums it up. I wonder if he rolls or rocks from side to side, humming tunelessly.

  26. Also the courts are soon ruling allowing residence to refuse these meters.

    Citation?

    _______________________________________________

    And this speculation that Nagic is ASD is ridiculous.

    As a father of an Aspie and an ASD kid, who exhibits various Aspie traits also, I have to say that I just don’t see it.

  27. DR, P’s family has been shamed.

    Their father’s and by extension the family’s legacy destroyed.

    The family is studied, photographed and written about daily.

    They just lost their husband/dad.

    None of them touched a child or were accused of personally doing anything to cover it up..

    They are naturally acting defensively. They have been humiliated and stigmatized for the rest of their lives.

    Rest assured they are paying and will pay for their father’s sins. They ain’t “getting away” with anything by not displaying enough contrition to casual observers like R or any of us.

    I view R’s expectations more than a critique of the family’s performance.

  28. Holmes was not arrested coming out of the theater. He was sitting in his car and they broke the window to gain access to him. He was drugged. At least one other person in a red plaid shirt and backpack ran away and dropped a gas mask. There is also mention of another possible accomplice in a blue plaid shirt.

    This info is from the police communications transcripts.

    I wouldn’t believe a thing the media is feeding us on this.

    I think Holmes a patsy, drugged and set up. He thinks he’s in a movie. Nice of you guys to already have him sentenced and convicted. 🙄

  29. Tigre, Dad covered up the fact his molester buddy was raping little boys. He doesn’t deserve a larger then life statue. I’m not asking his family to desecrate his grave. Hell, talk about the positives. But, they are upset because poor Paterno doesn’t get an immortal piece of Mount Olympus, glistening with bronze? Please. If that was my Dad, I’d say take the fucking statue down. The fact they want it up means they still don’t get it. That piece of shit was always talking about how much ethics are just as important to him as football. Yet, come to find out he is lower then 95% of the worst scum bags. Rutherford is dead right. It’s laughable that they have the hubris to think he is statue worthy. George Washington deserves a statue. St. Francis. But, an accomplice to a pedaphile?

  30. They won’t go away. They keep running their mouths. And Rutherford is rightfully calling out the audacity of being pissed about the statue. To me it’s surreal. It’s proof they just don’t get it. They are a symptom of the problem that allowed this to happen in the first place and evidence that the entire institution did, in fact, need to be punished. They want to be left alone yet feel the need to defend Dad non stop. Everytime they want to talk about “legacy” they should be reminded exactly what that legacy really was.

  31. I diagnosed Toolman™ a long time ago, but he’s too arrogant and paranoid to go see a shrink to confirm my prognosis…they’ve got medication, including SSRI stuff that might be a life changer – but I think Tool&; too paranoid of the medication too.

    Might be Semite involvement in the production, where Jews mind meld by scattering the victims alpha waves to infinity an beyond. Live long and prosper stuff.

    A clear cut case of paranoid personality disorder (PPD), along with acute ignorance. The tendency is to experience excessive self-importance, manifest in a persistent self-referential attitude and preoccupation with unsubstantiated “conspiratorial” explanations of events both immediate to the patient and in the world at large.

    Reads like the Tool™ to me.

    Those with PPD habitually relate to the world by vigilant scanning of the environment for clues or suggestions to validate their prejudicial ideas or biases. They tend to be guarded and suspicious and have quite constricted emotional lives.

    Their incapacity for meaningful emotional involvement and the general pattern of isolated withdrawal often lend a quality of schizoid isolation to their life experience

  32. I never read the Holmes family making public pleas for a Joker statue in San Diego. Or, for that matter, wagging their fingers at us reminding us not to lose sight of how awesome their son was at science camp. I do feel sorry for the Holmes family.

    That being said, I would disown my son if he did something like that. It would hurt so bad. But I would recomend the death penalty. I say this as I hold my 7 week old right now. Maybe I’m full of shit and my tune would change. We dead rabbits are flawed motherfuckers. But, damn, if my son ever did what asshole did, I would stand with the victims. Not my son.

  33. For me Tex why I think the punishment needs to be so severe is we need to ensure whatever it was that made it possible for events to occur and able to be hidden is eradicated. Not hopefully, but positively wiped from existence and any possibility of return. This is a difficult thing to do without collateral damage. Some lives will be disrupted because of this, but many have been forever scared and ruined. We owe it to them to see to it that it ends here, whatever the cost.

  34. I’m gong to bed folks. Will catch up on comments tomorrow. Spent the evening grading sociology exams.

    BTW, according to the rules we were given for peer assessment (i.e. grading the exam) I did pretty well. I nailed the first question completely, slightly messed up the second question, and pretty much nailed the essay. We’ll see if my “peers” agree with me. I’d give myself a B+ on the final … although it’s not actually graded that way.

    See ya tomorrow.

  35. “That piece of shit was always talking about how much ethics are just as important to him as football. Yet, come to find out he is lower then 95% of the worst scum bags.” – DR

    Nailed it. Absolutely.

    As for Nagic and ASD. Nagic isn’t autistic. Autistic children are born that way. They didn’t have a choice in the matter. Nagic, on the other hand, is a self-proclaimed student of philosophy. (I believe he revealed once that his interest in the subject was developed during his college days). Whatever you think about his style, his behaviors are by choice. A clear exercise in free will. He couldn’t be farther from the Spectrum if he tried.

  36. thor, just how much free will do we have? Each decision limits our options and sends us into directions different than what might have been.

    What if biochemical reactions within influence our minds. Did free will let you decide on your career choice, for example?

    Atlantic Magazine had an article about parasitic organisms which may alter animals’ decisions to benefit them.

    I like Noah and don’t care why he is why he is. I have enough trouble figuring myself out.

    However, you made a good point about free will or its scarcity.

    I believe Penn State’s should suffer for as long as the child abuse continued.

  37. Thor,

    I did enjoy that. I’ve actually seen white bread do something that stupid as I tried to hide my head in my hands. Yo Mama! Good to see old Billy Dee Williams. I feel the need for a Colt 45 with Rutherford for some strange reason.

    Now watch closely as I make some great suggestions about the Obama agenda, especially about how to improve issues of safety concerning airline travel:

  38. Osama is Dead and GM is alive! Har har har! ~ Joe Biden

    ————–

    Success!

    Government Motors: GM Stock Hits New Low, Taxpayer Loss Hits $35 Billion

    http://news.investors.com/article/619424/201207241947/gm-stock-hits-new-low-bailout-loss-35-billion.htm

    Reads like a winning campaign strategy to me, Joe! 😉 I do hope that Mitt Romney is setting all of these fun facts to memory for the debates, like Tex Taylor would be.

    Barack Obama would be speaking in tongues at the end of the debate if Romney had a nasty streak like Tex.

  39. Yeah and maybe not, Tigre. What cracks me up is that in your quest to play the criticize Rutherford game (often a good thing) while displaying what I bet you think is a flash of noble empathy towards the Paterno family, you are missing the boat on the collective “fuck you” that family deserves. These people are loudly calling for the shadow of the statue to cast down on the very same grounds he allowed Sandusky to rape the most vulnerable and you feel that those who are exasperated by such lunacy are being self indulgant. The kids didn’t have Dads. So get out of the way of the metaphorical mob, smooth talker.

  40. Brother “R”, as we share a couple of Colt 45s. Say what you will about Romney.

    If you want to “know me” 😈 (sounds both kinky and biblical all in the same stroke) a little better and how I might view myself in the real world, I’m pretty sure this is pretty much how I would come across on a national broadcast discussing politics.

    Sununu pretty much captures the way I talk about Obama in real discussion – only I don’t let Obama off the hook for being a narcissistic, thin-skinned, self-absorbed, self-important twit either. I really do believe Barack Obama is a facetious phony with DELUSIONS of grandeur.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/07/24/sununu_how_can_people_still_think_obama_is_smart.html

  41. BiW @ 42 As a father of an Aspie and an ASD kid, who exhibits various Aspie traits also, I have to say that I just don’t see it.

    As the Mother of a daughter with Aspie and a Grandmother of an ASD kid, I did see similar traits. I was not speaking lightly when I asked or trying to be critical. My daughter will focus on a topic and regardless of the conversation around her, persist until she gets the answer she wants.

  42. My daughter will focus on a topic and regardless of the conversation around her, persist until she gets the answer she wants.

    Hmmm…I have both a mother, a wife, and two daughters that would tell you they have a son, a husband, and a dad that does exactly the same thing.

    Only in describing their situation, he often hears the words “mule headed”, KIA (know-it-all), and stubborn/difficult when applied to him (a lot). 😛

    Sorry Raji. I’m not making light of an obvious personal struggle. Contrary to me giving Thor a hard time, I find these parents of children with the various spectrum of Autism very admirable even though I may not say so, and generally hold them in high regard – like I do my neighbors with their son. I never had any idea autism was so prevalent until recently.

    I just found it humorous that I’ve never been diagnosed with any malady other than being characterized as a major pain in the ass, and share many of these same traits. I either have complete focus or no focus and can’t hold a thought – I’m easily distracted – even to the point of reaching the extreme.

    I suppose it is true that blood really is thicker than water.

  43. A good quote to start off your day:

    In the Soviet Union, capitalism triumphed over communism. In this country, capitalism triumphed over democracy. -Fran Lebowitz, author (b. 1950)

  44. BIC, Thor, Raji (anybody else that has personal experience with autism).

    Are any of you familiar with Williams Syndrome? The reason I ask is that I’m doing some research for the lady with the son I have mentioned (my neighbor). She is very frustrated with the medical community and asked for my help. I tried to explain I’m probably not qualified, but sometimes caring means more than expertise.

    Here is the situation.

    I have often wondered if Russ has been misdiagnosed. Russ is so friendly and gregarious, he actually frightens strangers and some women. I thought Russ was simply a high functioning autistic (he bags groceries 32 hours a week; 22 years old), but I am just now learning that really doesn’t mean much in the way of diagnosing a problem. It doesn’t help that Russ is about 6’3″ and 240lbs either as that can be physically intimidating when he strolls across your yard to hug you and you don’t know him well.

    Here is my question.

    Do your children or grandchildren have any dietary problems? Problems with vomiting or a gagging reflex – especially ‘sugary’ products like milk?

    This is a serious question of which you might be able to help me help a frustrated mother get some answers.

  45. My daughter will focus on a topic and regardless of the conversation around her, persist until she gets the answer she wants.

    I’ve really not made my intentions clear so I can see why you might have come to this conclusion and I am not insulted in the least. My goal is to show Rutherford, through his own actions, just how unbalanced and hypocritical he is by highlighting the glaring double standards he practices. I press him to respond, not to respond with what I want to hear, but to actual respond to what he believes without skirting or avoiding the topic at hand. He is very skilled, as most Leftist are, at avoiding an answer that pins him down on a topic. By being purposefully vague or not directly answering questions this allows him to change course mid argument or down the road when the situation changes so that he can “appear” to have remained consistent.

    This would be a far better blog, and a far better conversation, if we would all just say what we actually mean, not ponder each answer to best position ourselves strategically. Look objectively at the posts on this blog. The Conservative poster tends to be very direct, very much to the point, and provide responses that make not only their position clear, but would make it very difficult for them to say otherwise later on. Now look at Newt, Rutherford and the like. Very rarely do you see them “commit” themselves or take a firm stand. They always leave themselves plenty of wiggle room, and are quick to twist a phrase or hang on the meaning of a single word to discredit something entirely.

    It is my hope that Rutherford will change, see that he has nothing to lose by making a stand and letting the cards fall where they may. Having false beliefs are dangerous. So only good can come from putting your honest beliefs and letting others kick it around. You will either reaffirm that what you believe is true, or we will all have done you a favor by ridding yourself of an assumption that ay have skewed a great many other beliefs.

  46. p.s. The reason behind all of this is that it is very hard to have a productive conversation if we don’t at least agree on some basic ground rules that apply to everyone. I cannot begin to have a conversation with Rutherford until he agrees to some basic standard and is willing to hold himself and others to that standard.

    p.s.s. James thanks for the kind words. I have always had an appreciation for your posts since the fat granny days. You are a gifted story teller, a skill I’ve no doubt your grand children will greatly enjoy.

  47. Tex @ 75 Hmmm…I have both a mother, a wife, and two daughters that would tell you they have a son, a husband, and a dad that does exactly the same thing.

    😆 In your case it’s probably not ASD but as you said mule headed and you can be that way on many many topics not just one!

    Tex, I think many children today are misdiagnosed as the current vogue is to slap that ADHD/ASD label and prescribe the meds. We didn’t know my daughter had Asperger’s until she started the research on her son who is high functioning autistic. However I am also reluctant to slap any label just for the sake of labeling.

    I am not familar with Williams Syndrome. My grandson did have a problem with gagging especially with milk as a baby but never thought to relate the two as I thought it related to an allergy. The main dietary problem my grandson has is with texture of food. I guess you could say he gags although I thought he was just spitting the food out. Hmm, interesting to remember that my daughter had projectile vomiting as a baby after a bottle of milk but the doctors just said I let her drink too much.

    I’m certainly no pro as we are early into our research but in my opinion your neighbor’s son does not appear to be high functioning autistic. Most autistic people do not like to be touched or hugged. I think by listening you can help your neighbor more than the doctors. Believe me, the medical community can be very frustrating.

  48. DR, go pick a fight with somebody else. I don’t give a shit. Focus on the family all you want. I will ignore them because I don’t care what they have to say or what comes of them. I’m satisfied they’re fucked. You can hold your breath that they’ll breakdown from all of this and express all the contrition you feel the world is entitled to.

  49. Nagic @80

    Rutherford may also call it the “art of debating”. IMO he does a great job of being the bartender at “Cheers”

  50. Hey guy, your the one who felt the need to lecture those of us who are appauled that the family thinks a molester accomplice is deserving of a statue. Don’t finger wag me and then be a little beeotch about it when I call you out on it. When the Paterno family jaws their mouth, so will I. In fact, when El Tigre jaws his mouth so will I. Just ignore me if you are too fragile.

  51. One more thing about the Paterno family and I’m done blabbing. They aren’t alone in the wilderness. They have thousands of supporters. Hell, the campus rioted, they were so upset that Paterno was no longer deified. There were legions of these sick fucks “defending” the statue as of last week. So yeah Tigre, the Paterno family and their supporters should be called out when they say things that lean towards the institution being more important then raped boys.

  52. I side with Tex on this one. The NCAA is a pretty whacked organization whether you look at their politics,hypocrisy or what have you.
    Although Penn obviously deserves a smack down they deserve that via the justice system. The sports program gutting seems more symbolic than anything else especially when seen framed via the NCAA prism,that they are somehow the important component of anything connected to this disgraceful story.
    Sadly I think the victims,parents,prospective students,Alum,staff and the NCAA are sadly mistaken if they think this act of “justice” cures or otherwise heals this matter. This is but a speed bump in the road that Penn will take to remake itself and in less than 10 years it all won’t be much of a footnote.

  53. Yeah, but I hurled an insult like the defiant mouse as the eagle swoops down on the t-shirts of yore.

    Ironically I feel like I’m being led to the shower by Sandusky.

  54. I’m lost on the smart meter story…. Does the lady in TX (and others) have the false belief they own the meters in the first place?
    I think they should just disconnect and be done with it.

  55. That kid peeing statue has been reproduced plenty. I have even seen it peeing in a spa in one of the local gay communities.

    Now, from the fringes of the bell curve…

    This whole Holmes enchilada is pretty greasy/sleazy as it unravels. Several sites are doing some very good detective work.

    The DARPA connection and dad’s occupation/background makes this suspect. Misquotes and conflicting reports by witnesses. 2 and 3 gas masks found moving about the crime scene. The mugshot was taken the morning of the court appearance. First they were not going to release one, then they did. It isn’t the one taken when they auled him in, obviously. I wonder why?

    Then there is this whole staging from the Anshutz Medical Campus connection. They just happened to be staging a theater massacre exercise the SAME DAY as this event.

    9/11, 7/7, the same case…

    And, of course, this tidbit, which should give everyone pause and the main reason I long ago quit taking anything the MSM produces seriously.

  56. re: Williams syndrome. I’ve seen only one. The look like elves and have calcium metabolism disorders and have to watch calcium and vitamin D intake carefully. Some kind of blood vessel and heart valve problems due to defective elastin production. Genetic, therefore incurable. Generally very friendly, nice kids and they know no strangers – love everybody. There are societies for parents of kids with Williams. Don’t know what their life expectancy is. The parents you know should google up one of the support groups; they are pretty good.

  57. Amen Kucinich! Time somebody speaks truth to power. And we got the LIBOR shit. That is massive. Banksters are over-the-top evil. Evil institutions need full exposure. And you guys call me crazy for ragging on these beasts. “Come out of her…

  58. I love the monkeys in 99. That is so visionary. I never saw it that way before. The hearing and talking have crossed appendages, but the seer is true.

    Monkey see, monkey do.

    Movies have gotten extremely realistic nowadays. No more of the lost in space awkwardness of the past. Virtual and reality is getting blurry.

  59. It’s weird, Doc. I find these parents of autistic children better sources of information than I do the medical literature.

    I started doing some research under that umbrella called ‘Autism’. It’s like even the medical community can’t specifically agree how to group the definitions and disabilities. They can tell you the chromosomal defect of Williams Syndrome but the specifics overlap with other autistic definition and disorders. For all I know, maybe they all share the same characteristics.

    Russ expresses none of the physical attributes of Williams Syndrome, but virtually all of the disability or learning problems except one (below), unique personality characteristics including the gregarious hugging, though he couldn’t be touched as a child, speaks so well you wouldn’t no there is a problem when you talk at a high level, infatuated with music, and has an uncanny memory (rote memorization) when it comes to repetitive tasks or information. I’ve noticed over the years, one thing Russ does repeatedly – he echos those around him when they ask a question. His mother or father will ask how I am doing, and Russ will say, “How are you doing, Tex?” Then he walks over, hugs me, and says, I love you, ‘Tex’. About 10 times – in the grocery store – the parking lot – in the driveway. He told me I was the nicest man in the world. I wanted to say there’s a website called Rutherford Lawson where many wouldn’t agree. 😆

    Russ functions at about a 2nd or 3rd grade level, can’t really read, can’t do simple math like what is 10 + 10, certainly can’t drive, and thrives on repetition. He’s got literally hundreds of models he builds, some of them I wouldn’t want to tackle, which is completely contrary to the symptoms listed for Williams Syndrome.

    For 22 years they’ve raised this kid and his mother who is not a dumb woman by any stretch, seems almost clueless about Autism as I am. It’s hard to research when I don’t know understand completely what it is she is seeking for me to answer besides…

    …Russ has been vomiting a lot recently, especially when he drinks (get this) his lattes he likes, sugary fatty drinks (her words, not mine), etc…

    I suggested his mom have him tested for lactose intolerance – rule out the things that are common.

    They’ve never even done that and apparently are getting little guidance, the last doctor telling them and I paraphrase, “You’re just going to have to learn to live with this.” I just find it strange in 22 years, a doctor wouldn’t have recommended a few basic tests for irritable bowel or something to that regard.

  60. Poolman? Hard copy and Oliver Stone?

    You know. You might have had me without the accompanying “Untouchables” music.

    Man, you’re a nut. But sometimes a funny nut.

  61. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/auschwitz-like-conditions-u-s-general-accused-of-massive-afghan-cover-up-to-protect-obama-during-election-year/

    US military officers accused one of the highest-ranking US commanders in Afghanistan, Lieutenant General William Caldwell, of trying to cover up a horrifying scandal at a taxpayer-funded hospital in Kabul to limit bad news in an election year, the AFP reports.

    Colonel Mark Fassl, who testified Tuesday, said he was shocked when Lt. Gen. William Caldwell cited the then-upcoming 2010 congressional elections as the reason not to investigate the hospital.

    The general reportedly said at the time: “How could we … make this request with elections coming? He calls me Bill.”

    ……………the most transparent government in history?

  62. @#180 – Right on.

    The lady cleanly carves up the hollow caricature of feminism that the war on women line appeals to.

  63. Guy goes into a bar in Louisiana where there’s a robot bartender! The robot says, “What will you have?” The guy says, “Whiskey.” The robot brings back his drink and says to the man, “What’s your IQ?” The guy says,” 168.” The robot then proceeds to talk about physics, space exploration and medical technology.

    The guy leaves, . . . but he is curious . . . So he goes back into the bar. The robot bartender says, “What will you have?” The guy says, “Whiskey.” Again, the robot brings the man his drink and says, “What’s your IQ?” The guy says, “100.” The robot then starts to talk about Nascar, Budweiser, the Saints and LSU Tigers

    The guy leaves, but finds it very interesting, so he thinks he will try it one more time. He goes back into the bar. The robot says, “What will you have?” The guy says, “Whiskey,” and the robot brings him his whiskey. The robot then says, “What’s your IQ?” The guy says, “Uh, about 50.”

    The robot leans in real close and says, “SO, . . . you people . . . still happy . . . with Obama?”

  64. About Holmes sanity, while I am no psychiatrist, it would appear to me that anyone who could go through the meticulous preparation required, the costuming, the clear seeking of notoriety, the police taunting, the planning, the execution, and the twisted motive for maximizing the carnage answers the second question too.

    I know few stone cold murderers I don’t think insane.

    Tex, I don’t understand how you reconcile those two statements. Are you saying Holmes is crazy or not? From what I understand a psychotic person is very capable of the meticulous planning of Holmes.

  65. Poolman, I’m sure you took note of who was with Ron Paul today and who wasn’t. That’s the GOP I know and love.

  66. Damn, I am glad I listened to Rutherford’s crap on the radio.

    Hey dude, why didn’t you call in? I gave the number on the air. Cat got your tongue?

    You know full well the full audio I played laid that “you didn’t build that” lie right where it belonged … in the toilet. Jon Stewart covered the same theme tonight. Every honest broker knows the Romney team is lying about it.

    The article that I think Noah posted about it came much closer to a legit critique of Obama’s point than the totally false crap being spewed by Romney.

  67. You didn’t actually listen to Behrns, did you?

    That was kind of a funny question. How can you listen to the show without listening to Sandi? Although it reminds me of a child hood anecdote.

    When I was a young teen (maybe about 12 or13) I bought the Stones “Goats Head Soup” which closes with song “Star Star” which most Stones fans refer to as “Starf*cker”. Cussing was strictly forbidden in my house growing up and of course Star Star was one of the best damn songs on the album. I didn’t have a set of headphones. So whenever I played it I’d sit by the volume control and lower it during the chorus “You’re a star f*cker, star f*cker, star f*cker, star f*cker star”. The first time I attempted it it was hilarious cos near the end of the song the f*cks came so fast and furious I couldn’t always get the volume down in time.

    I now picture Tex listening to “Leaning Left” and turning down the volume every time Sandi speaks. 😆

  68. What are the rules on the radio? Can you cuss?

    I discourage cussing on the show simply because the show is basically rated G on BlogTalkRadio. BUT I violate it every week when I play Lee Camp’s profanity laced rants. However I always warn the audience what’s coming.

    I think a bullsh*t or two could get by. The F word …. not so much. And if anyone calls up and calls Sandi an hermaphrodite, they will hear a click immediately thereafter. 😐

    P.S. A couple of months ago a dude called in bragging about sodomizing his lover. A prank.I hung up immediately. I blamed Rabbit but he swears it wasn’t he.

  69. How many gun deaths Rutherford do you see in the white suburbs of America, where many people are armed to the teeth?

    Pure nonsense. What folks are armed with in the white suburbs is lots of money and a comfortable lifestyle. Most of your gun deaths (excluding suicide) occur in poor neighborhoods.

  70. Convince Obama to parrot Sandi’s message for more gun control, would you?

    The Dems and Obama avoid it like the plague. It won’t happen. Sadly the political debate over gun control appears to be over. Fortunately I got a few great gun recommendations over at BiW’s. 🙂

  71. Tex, who says Holmes only bought stuff from tacticalgear.com? Who says the vest to hold stuff was the only thing he was wearing? The report is he had on bullet proof clothing akin to riot gear. I don’t care if that included a layer of non bullet proof clothing.

    You’ve proven nothing.

  72. I have to wonder about this gun control since the previous topics seem to be beyond you for the moment. What is gained by going after the tool used to do a crime? If someone is intent on doing someone harm, do you really think the lack of availability of a particular type of weapon will cause that event not to occur?

    Also from what I understand, criminals are do not have much of an issue breaking the law, thus disarming folks would have the greatest impact on law abiding citizens.

    If crime is your true motivation, and I know it is not, what do we do then when an arsonist kills an entire building of people with a gallon of gasoline? Do we then ban gas? Do we ban fertilizer because of Oklahoma? If it is the proper thing to do for the reasons you claim, then it has to be the right thing to do in my last two examples.

  73. Noah, for starters the woman is a crackpot. The electric company will not receive all sorts of information about her. Her emails won’t get mysteriously sent to the electric company through the meter. She’s probably one of these nutjobs who won’t get her kids vaccinated. (Whooping cough has started killing kids again because of neanderthal parents who deny science.)

    Second, while I agree the employee had no right to touch her (assuming she’s not lying), a “touch” is not supposed to be met with a gun. He was not threatening her life. She should have said like any sane person “get off my property or I’ll call the cops”.

    You see, Noah, that’s what the police are there for. 🙄

  74. does this at all effect your support or your vote?

    Noah, as I said on my Internet radio show yesterday, I will not vote for the conservative ideology in November that got us into an unnecessary war (and will again, this time Iran) and stuffs the pockets of the rich while creating no opportunity for the poor.

  75. the “you didn’t build your business” speech is that it implies business owners don’t pay taxes.

    Isn’t it convenient how quickly we forget that Bush gave the rich a temporary tax cut? When is temporary over? When do the rich go back to paying the extra 4% or so that they were paying before, particularly when we need the money and quite f*cking frankly, they don’t?

    There is no implication that rich corporations don’t pay taxes. The implication is that they pay less than they used to, and we need them to step up and give a bit to get us through this crisis. We are all in this together. Successful CEO’s who’ve had the helping hand of this land of ours, who didn’t make it without assistance, should stop the arrogance and pitch in where they can afford to.

  76. And this speculation that Nagic is ASD is ridiculous.

    As a father of an Aspie and an ASD kid, who exhibits various Aspie traits also, I have to say that I just don’t see it.

    As someone who has been woefully underemployed for years now, I can easily diagnose Noah. If Noah has the time to pick apart an argument “word for word” as he is threatening to do, he is either retired or as grossly underemployed as I am. Either way he has way too much time on his hands. 😉

  77. Per 131 Yet you are a proponent of the greatest creator of poor ever conceived by man, welfare. Look at what your Messiah has done for your fellow black man Rutherford. Where I am from, black male unemployment is over 50%. Seems your Messiah has turned uncle Tom on you and sold you out. Me thinks you are so blinded by bitterness and hate you are incapable of seeing the obvious truths before you.

    Let me give you a little lesson on fairness. You know that class on welfare you took….Sociology wasn’t it? Tell me, did you have the same opportunity as everyone else? Did you have the same text books? Did you have equal exposure to your teacher and time to ask questions? If the answer is yes, then why didn’t everyone get the same grade? The classroom is set up just like the perfect Leftist world, same for everyone, no one has an advantage. Yet despite this utopia, some people got an A, some a C, and still others failed. If this little leftist exercise doesn’t work in the classroom, why would it work in the real world?

  78. I have a question for my favorite conspiracy theorist Poolman. Hey Pools, do you find it a very odd coincidence that one minute Paterno is outside his home talking to reporters and within weeks he’s dead? Any chance a suicide was being covered up? Inquiring minds want to know.

  79. When do the rich go back to paying the extra 4% or so that they were paying before, particularly when we need the money and quite f*cking frankly, they don’t?

    Tell me mah-man. What would this 4% do for us to keep us from teetering over the edge? What would an additional 10% do? I really really want you explain how this money will change anything with your Messiah’s out of control spending. No rhetoric, no affirmative action side step. You seem so concerned with what others have, show me how it will solve our problems.

    P.S. If you don’t like any of the words I chose, please feel free to find a thesaurus, and insert a word that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, and continue on with a response.

  80. I never read the Holmes family making public pleas for a Joker statue in San Diego.

    On the contrary Rabbit, when ABC talked to the mother she said “they’ve got the right man”. Sheeeeut! She knew her son was a nutjob and had no trouble admitting it.

  81. We owe it to them to see to it that it ends here, whatever the cost.

    Let’s have a moment of silence to commemorate me and Noah agreeing on something.

  82. With 53 comments to go … it’s bed time.

    Dad flying in from CT tomorrow so I’ll be online hit or miss for the next few days. He’s a life long Cubs fan so we’re taking him to Cubs against St Louis on Sunday. He’s never been to a game at Wrigley (nor have I).

  83. do you find it a very odd coincidence that one minute Paterno is outside his home talking to reporters and within weeks he’s dead?

    There are no coincidences. I really wasn’t following his life. I’m not into sports, college or professional. Likely he betrayed too much and had no moxie to get through the mire. He lost the will to live, or? I know we don’t get the whole truth, if any from the media.

  84. We got .47 yesterday evening. Most fell in ten minutes with wind and some hail. It was the first such rain in over a month as we approach a record for the longest stretch of 95 temperatures. Yesterday broke a string of days of 101 to 105 degrees. Most places got little more than sprinkles, if that.

    About 15 to 20 acres of corn on our land which was flooded is dead and could be combined as soon as the ears dry. Other corn is green at least on the top 3/4 of the plants, but parts of the plants have died so rapidly that they look as if they were frosted.

    A friend drove to St Joseph where the drought began sooner. She noticed large patches of dead corn too. Irrigated corn is still green, of course, but the heat has cut yields there too.

    We ought to use our free will and invest in food.

  85. Rutherford, how long does your show last? How much preparation do you do for each show? What is your audience base? Have you gotten calls from other countries? Are most callers liberal, conservative or something else?

  86. R, as for the “you didn’t build that speech,” one that you said you’d ignore any further commentary on yet refer back to time and time again, you haven;t put it to rest. You’re just plain deluded.

    Why you fail to grasp the “core” messaging (and Warren who originated the damn thing) and why it resonates is beyond me regardless of whether you agree with it or not. Flex what’s left of those brain cells understanding why Obama has got to run away from the comments, as he is, would you?

    These comments, even accepting your interpretation of them, unlock a clear contrast between the two on the most fundamental issue dividing the vote. Obama delivered it to Romney like mana from heaven.

    Deny it all you want, the message lays bare the fundamental distinction between the collectivist mindset from the individualist in tone, emphasis and content. You just don’t hear it because you are too busy defending Obama from any criticism rather than really listening. This is a problem for Obama because he can neither embrace it nor reject and advance his message. You’re nuts if you think otherwise.

    And frankly your attempts to re-focus it (recharacterize really) as reasonable or just a truism are completely wasted. No matter how you come at it, what Obama said will bother those that view government as an obstacle to wealth creation and not a source of it. Obama’s efforts to claim recognition for government’s so-called “contribution” to success (especially to justify its growth and funding from his lame examples) is the message and is the problem for him. “You didn’t build that” in the broader sense is precisely the collectivist’s view (“it takes a village”). Deal with it. You have laid nothing to rest.

  87. Pure nonsense. What folks are armed with in the white suburbs is lots of money and a comfortable lifestyle. Most of your gun deaths (excluding suicide) occur in poor neighborhoods.

    Yeah, I noticed you married into those white suburbs. Good thing. The dog eat dog of Africa, you’re the miniature poodle.

    Ironic, isn’t it? The very thing you use as excuse for everything in your pitiful world of victimization masquerading as social justice, is the only thing keeping you from being Africa while providing you a comfortable life style. Whitey. You and yours are real damn generous with other people’s money but can’t seem to rise to the occasion when the basket passes your house for handout. The runt dog, biting the hand that feeds it. Well, that hand is starting to close tight.

    So you keep bowing to your masters like Nancy Pelosi – she’ll let you eat the crumbs that fall on the floor and pat you on the head like a the runt dog if you’ll lick her manicured toes and roll over. But you ain’t going to be in her crowd, mister. You’ll sleep in the straw and get one meal a day, forgotten until someone brings over the kids to pat your head and put on a show. Ain’t he cute….Ohhh! I can damn sure guarantee that.

    You don’t even know who pulls your strings, dummy. See Harry Reid? Captain of the slave ship. His lackey negras on MSNBC. You think the lackeys are concerned with 40 black deaths a weekend in South Chicago? Pffft…them brothers would hang you out to dry faster than those old Klan hoods.

    You’ve gone from parsing to liar. When I listen to your Sandra Fluke of a radio blog, I’m reminded that the real you is a different person than the one that publishes here. You sound like a Journolist talking points meme. Waaahhhh! Now the wingnuts have taken poor, little, pinko Obama out of context. It’s, it’s, it’s RACIST! Those big, fat, white liars – how dare they mock Obama by Obama.

    You can continue to turn a blind eye to the shortcomings, the blatant black on white racism, animalistic, savage behavior, black on black crime, the double standards, the statistical demographic and a mountain of data to back up my claims continually verified every passing day.

    But it ain’t going to change the demise. Like most of the brothers, you’ve traded chains for a dog leash. And brag about it, patting yourselves on the back along the way.

    Fools.

  88. By all accounts here you have a nice internet radio show Rutherford. How does it feel to know that you did not build that show? All you do is talk awhile. If it weren’t for the government and its creations, you would be muttering to the walls in your den.

  89. “By all accounts here you have a nice Internet radio show Rutherford.”

    Huh? I dare you to suffer through an hour of it. I double dare you! I’m still in therapy from my last attempt.

    R really does have a whole different personae on air than here. He claims different reasons for the switch up. With the shallow propaganda spewed, James, he does owe the government for his show.

    Will the the real R please stand up?

  90. #154, Rutherford will probably feel the same way you do this fall when you take your Federal Crop Insurance check to the bank and deposit it. You will be grateful won’t you? In numerous ways, we all benefit by “being in this together.”

  91. “In numerous ways, we all benefit by “being in this together.”

    🙄 🙄

    Why yes we are. From each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs.

  92. Classic two faced liberal. Rahm is relying on Nation of Islam Brown Shirts to patrol South Chicago on the same day he denies Chic filet because the owner doesn’t believe in gay marriage. Classic.

  93. I believe Penn State’s should suffer for as long as the child abuse continued.

    James, notice that the Penn State wins that were vacated cover the same time frame as the abuse.

  94. Noah, I know you refering to college, but in public school kids aren’t remotely equal. Some get homework, some don’t. Some don’t have to turn work in on time. Some get extra time on everything. Half the class didnt have to take notes. Becuase they give me all who struggle, I had to make a chart of 66 kids and their unique accommodations. Pretty pathetic.

  95. Wallstreet didn’t care that much when the banks were being bailed out while ripping the consumer. Different tune now that Liborgate is exposed. How does it feel Wallstreet?

  96. Government Motors: GM Stock Hits New Low

    Hate to let you in on this Tex but the folks EMPLOYED by GM care more about bringing home a paycheck than what the stock price is. Had the auto industry been allowed to fail, many of those employed would STILL be looking for work today, four years later.

  97. I can’t bear to watch Sununu’s jowly pie hole spouting lies. Sununu was the Governor of the state that was home to the ONLY Ivy League school (Dartmouth) with racial strife. NH is so f*cked up that racism pervaded even an Ivy institution.

    Puhleeeeze.

  98. dead rabbit #162 Yeah what is it with the shake down city mayors fronting on Chick fil et? Mumble Menino in Boston is doing the same thing. Stupid pos went on the record that he’d bust their balls regards permits etc.
    Can’t have a free market where there is a blue mayor that’s for sure. I seriously doubt homosexuals are that hung up on the maker of their lunch.

  99. @newt #157 :Look out your stupid is showing.
    A glib comment can be so annoying even after an awesome sandwich.
    If one were to dive in2 the deeper aspects of the “you didn’t build it” (which I thought Rutherford deemed verboten) thing and its related political dangles one easily views the disparate differences between right/free market vs left/Keynesian ideology. It really is a sickness.

  100. “What is gained by going after the tool used to do a crime? If someone is intent on doing someone harm, do you really think the lack of availability of a particular type of weapon will cause that event not to occur?”

    Agreed. Guns kill people like spoons make Rosie O’Donnell fat.

  101. “Dad flying in from CT tomorrow so I’ll be online hit or miss for the next few days.” – R

    Hmmmmmmmm. MSNBC temporarily drops most of its lineup for Olympic Soccer coverage and suddenly R is only able to slightly dabble in his own blog. Coincidence? My only question is, who is my go-to guy here? Is it Poolman on straight conspiracy or ET, whose chronicling of the symbiotic relationship between R and MSNBC has been epic. 😉

    Seriously R, hope you have a good time with your father. When I was a teenager, there were some friends that I didn’t mind bringing home and there were others I didn’t want anywhere near my parents. Are you going to introduce us R, or are we in that other group? 🙂

  102. They always leave themselves plenty of wiggle room

    The worst players of both parties, Dem and Republican take extreme positions. Noah, what you call wiggle room I call moderation. The older I get, the less strident I get on certain issues. In addition, I believe very much in nuance. Few things are black and white.

    It’s not that that approach is foreign to me. My late mother was uncertain about NOTHING. She had strong unshakable views. My father (whose plane just landed … two hours delayed) is more middle of the road. Whenever I get opinionated about anything, my Dad will say “you sound just like your mother”.

    The point that will bother most of you to no end is that my perspective on this election is changing. Obama, like most people, is a flawed candidate. He is not my Messiah and I really won’t spend oodles of time defending him unless he’s being attacked unfairly (such as “you didn’t build that”). I WILL defend the liberal ideology and I will oppose the conservative ideology until I see the latter exhibit some compassion and some tangible strategy for empowering the weakest of our citizenry.

    Noah, is that last statement clear enough for you or does it have too much wiggle room?

  103. And just to be clear — The Dem attack on “I like to fire people” was equally vile to the “you didn’t build that” nonsense. Romney clearly was saying that it is empowering to stop doing business with folks who don’t deserve your business. He was not saying he enjoys firing people.

  104. Newt or no newt, we rented our farm to another after our flood last year. We lost a third of our income last summer, and we decided we didn’t need to dig ourselves out of another hole if we had a drought this year.

    We will get no crop insurance check. Our tenant will give us money for the privilege of renting our land. He will lose money on our river land as crops continue to deteriorate. We charge about 2/3 of the going rate because we want a stable income and want to keep the renter in business.

    Crop insurance does not reimburse someone for the full value of a lost crop. It is intended as a safety net, and repays about 75% of a loss. The government does subisidize the rates to encourage farmers to buy insurance and thus save the government from paying disaster payments. My tax money helped pay for the subsidy. Crop insurance is not a gift from the big guy. One cannot live on crop insurance, last year, when I cashed our check, I had to think long and hard about where to cut back and whether good business sense allowed us to continue without risking further losses.

    One can use crop insurance and other marketing devises to market grain. The government does not provide the creativity to make a profit in hard times.

    The government did not create our farm. We did. Rutherford must feel the same as I do about his radio show. Did a government agent visit Rutherford and tell him how to start his radio show?. Does the government give him weekly advice on topics and guests? No.

    Its true no man is an island, but much of the help comes from non-governmental sources. The government would not exist in its present form without our taxes. We are not feudal serfs as Obama implied.

    I guess I should have written “by most accounts”, but since I have never heard Rutherford’s show, and he is hosting us, I give him the benefit of the doubt.

  105. “Obama, like most people, is a flawed candidate. He is not my Messiah and I really won’t spend oodles of time defending him unless he’s being attacked unfairly (such as “you didn’t build that”).”

    Hahahahahahahah! Yeah right.

  106. Obama’s comment as some of us have shown through the context of other statements illustrates his attitude toward private enterprise and taxes.

    He also said the private sector was doing fine because in his mind, it was. He was more concerned with the government jobs which were being lost at a greater rate than private employment. Obama’s stimulus plan illustrates my point. He spent money on governments, not private industry.

  107. Yes, Rutherford, I noticed the denied Penn State victories dating from 1998. I believe it was the right thing to do, though it denied many players victories when they had nothing to do with the child abuse.

  108. Well James, we’re a part of the whole. If one part is cancerous, the whole entity suffers. I have no sympathy for athletes losing status.

  109. Romney firing people and Obama “you didn’t build that” is a false equivalency. Both are dependent on context that you won’t acknowledge.

    Joe the plumber returns.

  110. Rutherford I think Romneys remark was part ham fisted part spin by those that feel they are the story.(the media mentality that improperly reports the Aurora incident ad naseum)
    The Obama comment lives in a world where Keynes and government rule supreme. Please note I’m not calling BHO super socialist man. I am saying his consistent position regards government and commerce is seriously skewed wrong way round.

  111. I don’t really want to go there but the press and pundits are preying upon the perceived juiciness of Romneys London visit. “yet another flip flop”. God the brit rags are rife with hilarity,especially the comment sections.

  112. Alfie,

    I have emailed both McCain and Kyl. Kyl is the only one that responds to me anymore. When I call, I think they know my number from the caller ID. I get the same gal whenever I call McCain. She always says “I will let the senator know your concerns.” I think they see my name on the correspondence and roll their eyes.

    It’s similar to the sense I get from Tigre when I hit ‘post comment’ here. 😆

  113. dateline: Anaheim. My radiology conference in San Diego was a bust; I decided to bag it, and my wife reassigned me to the “Romance Writers of America” conference in Anaheim, so up Interstate 5 I goes! God I have never seen so many depressed doctors, all looking for a way out. And they’ll find it, too. Fucking Democrats…

    Along those lines: The docs coming out these days don’t know their ass from a hole in the ground. Had to send my son to a neurologist after the doc-in-a-box misdiagnosed his radial nerve palsy. How embarrassing: a radiologist knows more hands-on medicine than a family practitioner. Damned goobers. It WILL get worse…stay healthy, gentlemen; stay healthy.

    Anaheim is a blast! Boy, talk about culture shock…about a thousand gals, all in the “romance” business, all talking about “luv and luvin'”, and writing about sex of all varieties. 99+ percent women here – just me and about two other swinging dicks in the whole place. I can see why these women WRITE about romance: it’s probably all the exposure they get, poor girls; most of them are two axe-handles across the ass. It would take a large black man to just get DOWN to the action. Smart, though.

    E-publishing is going through the roof. My wife and I got into that business about three years ago; we can’t find enough authors to keep up with demand. A good place to be. Everybody here seems really happy, loving what they do. Good-bye, medicine – at least for a while. Time for some goddamned fun. (and a little travelin’ – on the company dime.) Fuck it; I deserve it. I’m sure there is some romancing going on elsewhere in the world that I need to investigate this summer.

    My brother is getting on in years and has spent a lifetime reading Louis L’Amour and Zane Grey. I think he and I will fly back out here and explore the Old West for a while. Time is getting very, very short – for us all – and he, of all people, deserves it.

    Just got out of a “LGBTQ” conference – about selling romance books to “alternative” folks. Lesbian erotica is not my cup of teat, so to speak, but their money spends just like anybody else’s. I’m in.

    I’m off for some lunch, then back in the estrogen bath. I hope I don’t start getting periods or something…

    p.s. Glad to see you are back in the pink, Tex. Rgds to all…

    Prof.

  114. many of those employed would STILL be looking for work today, four years later.

    Have you seen the unemployment during your Messiah’s term? Many still are.

    Second, while I agree the employee had no right to touch her (assuming she’s not lying), a “touch” is not supposed to be met with a gun. He was not threatening her life. She should have said like any sane person “get off my property or I’ll call the cops”.

    You see, Noah, that’s what the police are there for.

    Does she know this person? Does she know what he is capable of? What she knew was he put his hands on her and violated her personal space and property. Police response times are not predictable. He is a man, she a women. Chances are she could not stand up to him in a physical altercation. She did not fire at him, she let him know under no uncertain terms he was not to touch her and he was not welcome on her property. He got the message.

  115. Along with 129 & 134 which awaits your brilliant response I would add to it your other post.

    Noah, as I said on my Internet radio show yesterday, I will not vote for the conservative ideology in November that got us into an unnecessary war (and will again, this time Iran) and stuffs the pockets of the rich while creating no opportunity for the poor.

    Again pointing out the black male unemployment rate of over 50% what has your Messiah done for the poor?

  116. it is very hard to have a productive conversation if we don’t at least agree on some basic ground rules that apply to everyone

    I do partly get this but again Noah you seem to confuse this with a forum needing Parliamentary procedure. The only basic ground rule is that we all speak English (and sometimes I wonder about that). We all make accommodations for different styles of expression. If you put a lengthy comment by James, Tex, and Rabbit in front of me without their names I’d probably be able to tell each from the other. They all have different styles but I do my best to glean meaning from each style. I think that is really the only obligation we have here … to make a best effort to “listen” and figure out what folks are saying.

  117. Yup. The Democrat Party is now OFFICIALLY the party of the big banks. Between Barny and his legions of Dems blocking tranparency of the Fed or blantely excusing the Libor scam……..the Democratic Party has sold its soul. How ironic, so beholden to debased currency to pay for things we can’t afford, so addicted to ripping off future generations, they team up with the fattest of all wallstreet cats, the big banks, against the American people. Lies are ok. Hiding monetary policy involving foriegn entities is ok. Conflict of interest is ok. This is your party, R.

  118. I thought for sure Poolman would be raging about Barny Fwank. Too bad he’s masturbating to his joker fantasies.

  119. Muffy, I like your “compromise” statue but it isn’t humiliating enough. Perhaps a centaur with Paterno’s torso and head attached to the horse’s ass …. and mounted from behind just to get the point home?

  120. Rabbit, I hadn’t gotten to your Mannekin Pis when I made my comment. Good alternative.

    P.S. I actually saw the thing on a child hood trip to Brussels. One of the advantages of having parents who had the summer off (educators) and used it for great vacations.

  121. We are all guilty of helping the criminal state. It is the global cartel that needs to be focused on and dismantled, yet there is so much chaos between us and it/them, that we never get near enough to behead it. They create and foster this chaos, using it to their end.

    They are probably all giggling as we try to unravel the Aurora mess with all the diversion cards and clues they cast as we lose sight of their global MANipulation™ and takeover.

    There have so many tentacles in these tides.

    Meanwhile, focusing the deluded and faithful on the greater 2012 Olympics, rife with all the symbolism and ritual and worship of gods and man. The culmination of their conquest.

    .

  122. Per 190 if you cannot even to agree to the most basic rules of civilized debate then this is rather pointless. But have it your way. I think you do the people who take of their time to follow your blog a great disservice.

  123. #175, no one is suggesting that farmers are getting a free ride or that your taxes don’t also go towards crop payments, like I said, we are all in this together. And we can all be grateful for Federal Crop Insurance program, no private insurance company is crazy enough to take the risk. It is important to all of us that we keep as many farmers in business through the lean years as possible. You are far too easily offended, I don’t expect you to explain or apologize, but just to understand that as an American, we are all in it together. You need us, we need you, and we all need our government to back us.
    PF, I assume if Rosie buys a spoon she is going to eat with that spoon, am I given to understand, you think if someone buys 6000 rounds of ammunition and a couple of grenades, they are going pheasant hunting?

  124. Re: 198. Reminds me of “let’s make a dope deal” by Cheech and Chong. “how many joints in a key? ONE! …..One?…I roll big joints, man…”

    When I shoot pheasant , R, I make sure they are real dead! 6000 rounds sounds about right…

  125. As if we didn’t know this was coming

    Obama continued: “But I also believe that a lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals. That they belong on the battlefield of war, not on the streets of our cities. I believe the majority of gun owners would agree we should do everything possible to prevent criminals and fugitives from purchasing weapons, and we should check someone’s criminal record before they can check out a gun seller.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/25/obama-gun-control_n_1704246.html?ref=election-2012-blog

  126. Nice thing about Rutherford tucking tail on the “you didn’t create that business” speech, the business owners still got the message, and come November, Romney can count on their vote.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/156206/Business-Owners-Among-Least-Approving-Obama.aspx

    Funny thing about these polls of late. It was reveled yesterday that many of these polling organizations have been skewing the polls. The last several it was shown that they over sampled Democrat voters by 11%. When pressed the polling companies admitted but said it was to better represent what “they” thought was going to be the turnout in November. That being a 35% Republican turnout and a 46% Democrat turn out.

    In another poll that was talked about by a gentleman running calls for one of these companies, he said they were given scripted questions that because of how the questions were worded, could almost guarantee whatever outcome they were looking to have. So he took it upon himself mid way through his call list to change up the question and came up with some interesting results.

    The script required him to ask if they approved or disapproved of Obama’s performance. His results were 95% of Conservatives disapproved, and Democrats were about 75% approval. He then added a 3rd option. Asking the same question, he asked if they approved, disapproved, or were undecided. Conservatives not surprisingly stayed at 95% disapproval. Liberals however split. 37% were undecided while 38% approved.

    This person also mention that at the terminal he worked it showed on his screen if the person they were calling were a registered Republican or Democrat, and that they had a quota of how many Democrats they had to call, but no quota on Republicans.

  127. i”m not offended Newt or no newt. I am writing forceabley when I feel like it. I also explain when someone doesn’t know much about a subject. I hope people return the favor.

    Some crop insurance is provided by private companies. Multi- peril insurance comes from the government, but private companies sell it. One can also buy crop revenue insurance. Farmers shop around for the best company according to price and service.

    I know we all need each other, and that was the point of my writing that food and other items will be more expensive next year. Obama said something different than no man is an island.

    The government, not the ;private sector mainly drives the economy, in Obama’s opinion. Therefore, achievers are obliged to give and give again because they would not be well-off without the collective..By extension, a business doesn’t really belong to its owner. The collective which played a role in its creation is co-owner.

    Thanks for the good words about farmers.

  128. Rosie and her spoon amused me. What would you think about someone who purchased 25 sticks of dynamite and several bags of dry nitrogen fertilizer? We used it to blow a hole in our dry lake and uncover a spring.

    I’ve heard a low- level reason for buying powerful weapons and ammunition. It is for the revolution should it happen. I don’t know how many people think that way.

  129. Quite frankly, that is treason, “I’ve heard a low- level reason for buying powerful weapons and ammunition. It is for the revolution should it happen.” Somethings that are said here, I shouldn’t be surprised, have attracted the attention of the FBI.

  130. “Somethings that are said here, I shouldn’t be surprised, have attracted the attention of the FBI.”

    Huh? What, why and how would you know?

  131. Newt-ski, you are very near to crossing a line.

    Don’t piss me off. I have been trying very hard lately to be a gentleman, but sometimes the Lord’s burden is more than a man can bear.

  132. Aren’t you all aware the internet is monitored and certain key words or phrases, don’t go without notice?

  133. Newt or no newt, yes, it is treason, but some people think that way. I also know others are reading these blogs. The FBI investigated a now defunct blog because the numerous death threats and promises of physical assault caught their attention. I think someone on the blog ratted it out. It was shut down for three days.

    Liberals on that blog attempted to drive moderates and conservatives away. I was one of the last holdouts. A man and I were discussing how we blew the bottom out of our lake. Someone thought he had the goods and wrote he was turning me into the Department of Homeland Security as a possible terrorist.

    I called his bluff and tried to call them first. I tried the FBI and other law enforcement numbers. They were all hazy about how to reach Homeland Security. The Kansas City branch office, I think gave me a phone number. I called and reached a California safe company.

    That is why I was not surprised when “Brownie” didn’t do such a “heck of a job” after Hurricane Katrina.

  134. I was storm chasing, and videotaped clouds over a shopping mall. I went into a store to buy more video tape.

    When I returned, two police cars were by my car and about five police officers surrounded it. “Do you own this car?” “Yes.” ” A lady watched you taping and thought you must be a terrorist casing the mall. ”

    I explained what I was doing and they agreed the clouds were interesting. We all had a good laugh, and we went on our ways.

    Something similar happened to me in Omaha. That time, the police officer had once been stationed at Ellsworth AFB years after I was. We had a nice chat about the base and the weather.

    People were jumpy in 2002.

    Words on the internet don’t bother me because we on this blog are all “law abiding” people..

  135. @ James…what’s up? Were you a potential “SWATting” target?
    There are a lot of things about America that are sad and one of them involve video recording and photography.
    How many man hours are wasted by 911 responses to folks trying their artistic schtick?

  136. There is technology that can be set to notice and count whatever word or phrase, it is set to pick up.
    Yes I understand, about locating Homeland Security, when it was first established, no one knew where it was located.

  137. Yes, it is Alfie. Our ancestors who revolted from England and Latins like Simon Bolivar would have been hanged as traitors had their side lost.

  138. No Alfie . I don’t think I am a potential “swatting” target. Things just happen around me.

    What are the odds that while visiting the traveling Vietnam Wall, a man there and I were looking for the same friend? How many people share an elevator with Red Green?

    Remember I am one of the few Vietnam Era veterans who was detained on an Italian air base.

    I don’t believe Newt was making a threat. An overt threat was the experience I described with Homeland Security.

  139. My message which is now in Moderation limbo stated that I didn’t think that Newt was giving a threat. The Homeland Security incident was an overt threat.

    I am not a “swatting” candidate. Stuff just happens around me.

  140. Re: “technology” for monitoring blog text: Sorry Newton, I’d make book that your depth of tech savvy wouldn’t fill a pothole. Stick with what you know, whatever that is…as for accusing James of treason, his service of his country viv a vis yours is such that you are not fit to hold the light or pass him a corncob when he takes a dump in an outdoor privvy. Now look what you did: I’m sitting in beautiful 75 degree California sunshine and I’m pissed off. Jesus.

  141. Quite frankly, that is treason” – Newt

    You guys are funny. Treason? You know what treason is? It’s leaking national secrets for political points. Its working to subvert the system because your ideas can’t win popular approval.

    If I was you Newt, I’d be careful with that “treason” card, it doesn’t play as well – or as often – as your race card.

  142. Isn’t it funny how a Leftist can say a thing, then claim not to say a thing. I think it was absolutely clear what newt said. Not sure how it could be taken any other way.

  143. Newt doesn’t even know the difference between patriotism and treason. It’s American as apple pie to arm yourself in case our democracy is ever over thrown. It happens around the world, a few times a year, every year. So yeah, some people buy guns in case it ever happens here. Maybe the word “restoration” would scare you less then revolution? As for the government word tracking software that they snoop on us with, if there ever comes a day that we can’t even discuss the reasoning behind the 2nd amendment, perhaps a restoration is in order. Got guns?

  144. Poolman as I read through your Aurora conspiracy comments I have to remind you to pull back to a general maxim. News agencies die in a vacuum. They will report ANYTHING to keep people reading. That does not constitute a conspiracy. That constitutes a business model.

    To this day, most people believe total falsehoods about the Columbine massacre. Until last week, I believed these same myths (e.g. connection to a “trenchcoat mafia”, boys being outcasts and bullied). The problem is all the misinformation that got published early, stuck and by the time truth was found, nobody was listening anymore.

    It may be a good year until we know the truth of the Aurora massacre (if ever) and it’s not because of conspiracy. It’s because of the way the news business works.

  145. It may be a good year until we know the truth of the Aurora massacre (if ever) and it’s not because of conspiracy. It’s because of the way the news business works.

    Except regarding the 9/11 attacks. You guys still repeat the day one narrative like it was a nursery rhyme.

    Find two folks to agree on Osama, or Trayvon™, or Giffords, or Breznik, or JFK, or RFK…

  146. I just find it strange in 22 years, a doctor wouldn’t have recommended a few basic tests for irritable bowel or something to that regard.

    Tex, I can’t testify as a doctor but I can testify as a disabled person. You’d be surprised the number of doctors who can’t get past the disability and want to relate EVERYTHING to it.

    I’m with you … Russ may simply have IBS, IBD, lactose intolerance or any number of other digestive problems that have nothing to do with Williams.

    But I have another question for you. If the overriding supposition is that Russ has an incurable genetic issue, then what is the mother seeking? I can’t imagine she wants to know life expectancy. What good does that do her other than bring her possible grief? She’s raised the kid for 22 years. She knows what she’s dealing with so why does she need a label/diagnosis?

    Again, I speak from experience. I frustrate every doctor I run into because I was born disabled and never diagnosed with anything. When doctors ask me “what do you have?” I have no answer for them. My research as an adult has led me to believe I have some sort of syndrome but I don’t know what. In 1961 my parents were simply told I had “congenital anomalies”, a fancy phrase for birth defects. Beyond that I know I had contractures and a double hernia right off the bat.

    But my point is … my life is what it is. A label doesn’t change sh*t. I will never walk without braces. I will never have Rabbit’s bruising arms. I have always done the best I can … and my parents were always content with that.

    Sorry …. a long winded way of asking you, why after 22 years does this matter so much to the mother?

  147. Keep jacking off to Joker moron. You vile fuck. You are healthy as a fiddle too. No hope of heart disease. Fuck.

  148. The only funny thing about the 2008 chick interviewing her 2012 self is how whupped the 2012 chick looks. A one note joke that got tired after about 30 seconds.

  149. I’ve noted an increasing absence of Rutherford of late…I wonder why 😉

    Considering how few comments I’ve been posting of late Noah, why are you having trouble reading them? Let’s review:

    1. I was running errands late last week (commented on).
    2. I had a sociology final to take and then five final exams to peer review (commented on).
    3. I’ve been sidetracked with a debate on BiW’s blog (commented on).
    4. My Dad arrived today from CT and will be here through Sunday (commented on).

    So that’s four things I’ve shared with the gang already that should make it clear why I’m running so far behind on comments.

    And now, once again, I’m going to bed.

  150. dead rabbits link shows even one more reason to get rid of this administration. Eric Holder is corrupt, and Obama protects him. What does that say about Obama.

    I didn’t know the relay carrying of the torch had Nazi roots. Good highways and our moon landings do too.

    Someone wrote “None Dare Call it Treason” when Barry Goldwater ran for president. Winners determine who is treasonous. Benedict Arnold would have been a hero if the Brits had won, for example.

    Obama is a friend of treasonous people, most notably domestic terrorist William Ayres and Bernedette Dohrn. They committed overt acts of violence detrimental to the United States and even advocated setting up concentration camps.

  151. President Barack Obama is backing a controversial campaign by progressives to regulate schools’ disciplinary actions so that members of major racial and ethnic groups are penalized at equal rates, regardless of individuals’ behavior.

    Pure leftist mindset. YOU are not responsible for your actions…its your environment. YOU are not responsible for the bad things you do, its because life isn’t fair, but we’ll fix that. If I am ever made king for a day, call your stock broker and invest heavily in funeral homes.

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/27/obama-backs-race-based-school-discipline-policies/

  152. R, I’ve asked this before, but I’m gonna ask again: can you articulate liberal ideology? Don’t try to give examples, etc, just a simple articulation of the premise behind liberal thought and what the ideology hopes to achieve and how it thinks we get there.

    Any one of us can – and have – articulate Conservative thought, but you’ve never really been able to explain the liberal ideology. I want to hear the theory of why you think the way you do.

  153. I have wondered the very same thing Gorilla. Though in this case I am 99.9% certain we will find Rutherford to be a more a Leftist than a Liberal.

  154. Well Gorilla I’m not going to offer up a textbook definition of liberalism. I’m going to offer my perception of liberal ideology. And I don’t have time for a novel so it will be brief, incomplete and full of enough holes that you and Noah can have a field day.

    A group of individuals agree to a shared association. We can call it a nation, a society, whatever.

    That society due to the whims of good and bad fortune over time is composed of people who are successful and those who are not. Those who are, fall into two categories — those who worked hard for it and could take advantage of good luck and those who were born at the right place at the right time and so long as they don’t completely screw things up are heirs to their fortune.

    Those who are not successful fall into two categories. Those who worked hard but despite that hard work could not overcome misfortune. The misfortunes can take several forms: no support group due to death or family dysfunction, oppressive poverty, societal prejudices. Then there are those who are personally dysfunctional and have squandered their skills and made no effort to live up to their potential.

    Liberalism involves the establishment of a social contract (implicit if possible, but due to human nature, probably explicit) that suggests we are all in this together. We will help those who have fallen on hard times. We will optimize the potential for every participant in that contract to succeed to the best of their abilities. This is particularly the case from a financial perspective.

    Socially, liberalism involves the acceptance of people who are not like us. We recognize the variety of personal choices members of the social contract can make and we recognize that so long as those choices do not negatively impact others, then those choices must be respected. We particularly abhor conclusions being made about those qualities of human life over which the human has no control (race, gender, national origin, gender preference, disability, etc.) Discrimination based on those immutable conditions is anathema to the liberal and must be fought at all costs.

    OK, I’m done. Time to catch up on the other 90 comments.

  155. I find Michael Moore obnoxious Noah but he is absolutely right. The founding fathers could not have conceived of AK47’s. Semi automatic and automatic guns would have terrified them. They would have given careful thought to the wording of the 2nd amendment if they’d known the limits of the kill-technology.

    There is a reason why the founders enabled the constitution to be amended beyond the first ten amendments. They knew that in changing times, the document needed to be a living document, not a Bible of absolutes.

  156. “SO, . . . you people . . . still happy . . . with Obama?” Especially noted, “you people.”

    Well Newt, you KNEW the robot was Mitt Romney didn’t you? 😆

  157. If crime is your true motivation, and I know it is not

    Ah you’ve got me Noah …. I just LIVE to restrict your precious freedoms. Nothing more than that. 🙄

  158. :what do we do then when an arsonist kills an entire building of people with a gallon of gasoline? Do we then ban gas? Do we ban fertilizer because of Oklahoma? If it is the proper thing to do for the reasons you claim, then it has to be the right thing to do in my last two examples.

    Only if you are mentally retarded. Gasoline and fertilizer are not sold to kill people. Guns are. So stop the totally ridiculous false equivalencies.

    Now, let’s compare real weapons and not resort to using gas and fertilizer. If Holmes had a gun that could only fire one bullet every minute or so (if such guns exist anymore) there is no way he could have killed or wounded 70 people in the space of two minutes. His use of a semi automatic weapon allowed him to get off approximately a bullet a second. That’s combat mode. That’s not even self defense mode.

    Continue to deny the danger of high powered weapons being readily available and continue to show yourself totally unreasonable.

    (Got a problem with my being able to purchase an over the shoulder surface to air missile, Noah? If so, why? It’s my f*cking 2nd amendment right you commie scumbag!)

  159. @251 Rutherford you probably should’ve refrained from any attempt at all.
    I think in the interest of sharing perhaps others should define liberal/liberalism specifically as it is in place in the USA.
    I’d also ask R to consider if he believes there are any differences between progressive and American liberalism ideology as opposed to them being equals with a tweak or twist.
    FWIW Rutherford what you described in 251 by no means articulates the American liberal.

  160. Rutherford 255 I don’t think anyone denies the dangers of any type of firearm. I think where we’re having the problems is the point of restriction. Do you do away with the gun or do you up the restrictions on who can posses them? I’m still not getting where you stand. Are you more regs or a gun melter???

  161. Rutherford, how long does your show last? How much preparation do you do for each show? What is your audience base? Have you gotten calls from other countries? Are most callers liberal, conservative or something else?

    James thanks for the interest.

    Each show is 60 minutes live although we very occasionally go over and the overtime can be heard on the podcast.

    My prep for the show sadly mimics my prep for this blog …. not nearly enough. I’d say I spend roughly 45 minutes to prepare for each show. To my credit however, I choose 95% of the topics, I choose the sound files that will be played and I have basically architected the structure of the show from the time I started it without Sandi. Most weeks, Sandi gets my show “itinerary” before the show so she knows what the topics will be. About 40% of the time she offers topics of her own.

    I have zero insight into the audience base. We get VERY few live listeners (I’m talking single digits) but we average about 300 plays of our podcast each week.

    The only caller I can recall from overseas was from the UK.

    We truly get a mix of callers. In the early days, we got liberals … particularly friends and associates of Sandi. Then we started getting conservatives who wanted to do battle. Those who listen to the show on the BlogTalkRadio web site have access to a chat room and we’ve seen some very interesting arguments take place there while we are on the air.

  162. Only if you are mentally retarded. Gasoline and fertilizer are not sold to kill people. Guns are.

    Prove this ridiculous point. Prove that guns are made to kill people. Not can they, because lots of things can kill people, but specifically made with the expressed purpose for taking human life and nothing else.

    Now, let’s compare real weapons and not resort to using gas and fertilizer. If Holmes had a gun that could only fire one bullet every minute or so (if such guns exist anymore) there is no way he could have killed or wounded 70 people in the space of two minutes. His use of a semi automatic weapon allowed him to get off approximately a bullet a second. That’s combat mode. That’s not even self defense mode.

    If if Holmes took the McVeigh a[[roach, he would have killed them all, a far deadly attack than an assault weapon.

    If I have 10 of your brutha’s confronting me to break into my home and kill my family, that 1 bullet a second will save our lives. It saved a lot of lives in the LA riots that is for dam sure. 10 guys, 1 single shot gun, they might take their chances. 10 guys, my semi auto, only if they have a death wish.

  163. Tell me mah-man. What would this 4% do for us to keep us from teetering over the edge?

    You ever hear the phrase “every little bit helps”?

    And he goes with the famous affirmative action side step.

    You have a boat with a hole in it. 5 gallons of water are coming in every minute. At this rate your boat will sink in 10 minutes. You take a piece of tape and put it over the hole so now only 4.7 gallons of water are coming in. Have you solved your problem ? Have you even had a meaningful impact on your problem?

  164. As a liberal, I am sure everyone here probably thinks I am against any private citizen owning a gun, but I’m not. I will never own one, that is a personal choice, because I don’t trust myself to not misjudge and shoot before asking questions or hesitating and end up being killed by my weapon. My husband, however does have a concealed weapon permit, he is experienced with guns and he is strictly no drama and he would have no hesitancy to shoot if necessary. So with that in mind, I would like to weigh in on the discussion of gun control. I do think what we need are are national laws regulating firearms, to prevent resale to felons, etc in other states. We should certainly be discussing amongst ourselves and with our elected officials background checks, training programs, limits on how many guns can be purchased at one time, the quality of ammo one is allowed to buy at one time, and the types of weapons that should be legal.

  165. Now, now gentlemen. An investigation IS underway. Over 600 billion dollars have already been found (at JP Morgan, imagine that) and I’m sure more is on the way. Corzine will have his day in court, but let’s not go all “Zimmerman” on the guy. Settle down and collect all the facts. If Holder is playing politics, I doubt it’s to save Corzine. The motivation is more likely to involve much larger Wall Street players that have yet to be revealed.

  166. the message lays bare the fundamental distinction between the collectivist mindset from the individualist in tone, emphasis and content …. No matter how you come at it, what Obama said will bother those that view government as an obstacle to wealth creation and not a source of it.

    On the first part of what I’ve quoted, I reject the loaded term “collectivist” but agree with you that Obama clearly stated a contrasting view between “we’re in this together” and “you’re on your own”.

    As for the second part of what I quoted from you … no sh*t Sherlock.

  167. Yeah, I noticed you married into those white suburbs.

    Correction Archie …. I’ve always lived in predominantly white neighborhoods … primarily because much like you, my black parents didn’t trust large groups of black people. 😉

  168. @ 263 Thor….600 million
    @ 262 nnn there’s an example of a pretty good comment. A discussion would be a great idea as long as all parties agree to the terms which must include the extreme interpretation of the 2nd.

  169. Rutherford 264 if you’re going to go around rejecting perfect;y applicable words you’re holding the bag regards offering an alternative word. Collectivist isn’t loaded if you appreciate the context of the side of the discussion it owns. Ironically the term individualist doesn’t quite capture reality of the other side either.

  170. When I listen to your Sandra Fluke of a radio blog, I’m reminded that the real you is a different person than the one that publishes here.

    Since you don’t know me as well as you think Tex, who’s to say which is the REAL me? The radio me or the blog me?

    I’d say it’s a mix and since I’m able to THINK about what I say here, I’d say I’m 70% blog and 30% radio. At one time I wanted to do an Ed Schultz on the radio but I really don’t get pissed off about as many things as he does.

  171. How does it feel to know that you did not build that show? All you do is talk awhile. If it weren’t for the government and its creations, you would be muttering to the walls in your den.

    I owe the government a big debt of gratitude for providing a forum (the Internet) which allows a nobody like me to be heard by about 300 people a week. I owe the free enterprise system a debt of gratitude that the geniuses at BlogTalkRadio could build the tools that enable me to broadcast. And finally I give myself a pat on the back for having the initiative and (albeit minimal) creativity to pull the thing off.

    It’s called interdependence. No man is an island.

  172. “@251 Rutherford you probably should’ve refrained from any attempt at all.” A

    Three words R: Ochum’s Razor dude!

    Next time try this old saying I just made up.

    Liberals think rich people have too much money.
    Conservatives think poor people have too much money. 😉

  173. Thor, the money was NOT “found” at JP Morgon That was where Corzine’s bad bets ended up. Nobody has been paid. It would be like me stealing your money, losing it all at the race track and then you being relieved thay your money has been found.

    MF Global is the biggest heist in American history. Unfortunately, your guys are in power Thor. And, as we saw in the House the other day and as we realize who Obama’s appointments are, you are the party of Wallstreet corruption.

  174. Liberals think rich people have too much money.
    Conservatives think poor people have too much money. 😉

    And this is why I don’t bother with Thor, dude just has no credibility.

  175. @ 263 Thor….600 million-A

    OOPs! How do you do an embarrassed emote? Thanks for the correction Alfie. But what’s a few zeroes between investment bankers anyway? 🙂

  176. Noah, you should chill out with the affirmative action bull shit you throw at Rutherford. And black thugs are not his “brothas”. Cheap shots that are not even accurate.

  177. Ya rabbit, I get ya, but if Rutherford cant pull it in and argue points in a fair manor, I will double down and continue on. Sorry I just cant find any sympathy for a guy who gets it done like he does.

  178. Yeah, he does dodge. And believe you me, I’m the king of cheap shots. But, there is some truth that part of it is the dude simply doesn’t have the time. Don’t get me wrong, I totally see where you are coming from. I guess what I’m saying is it’s hard to bait him emotionally. I tried.

  179. Rutherford thinks affirmative action is the best thing since sliced bread. So I would guess he would take it as a compliment. Time to respond I don’t care about. Skirting, lying, misleading, dodging, misrepresenting, dishonest, those I care about.

  180. “Thor, the money was NOT “found” at JP Morgon That was where Corzine’s bad bets ended up.’ DR

    The trustee statement says that funds were recovered that will be paid out. Doesn’t sound like bad paper to me. But I do defer to you on all things Wall Street. Give me a better link than the WSJ I found. (This is not snark, I mean it.)

    ” And, as we saw in the House the other day and as we realize who Obama’s appointments are, you are the party of Wallstreet corruption.” – DR

    I realize Wall Street has its tentacles deep within both parties, that is part of why I’m for eliminating money in elections. As for associations, yes, there is a revolving door between Wall Street, K Street and Penn. Ave. What building is across the street from the White House? I’m sure you don’t need a hint but here’s one anyway, it ain’t the Supreme Court or Library of Congress. But let’s get one thing straight, Romney is Wall Street’s preferred candidate. I have yet to hear him end a speech with “Vote for me and I’ll bring Wall Street to its knees, my friend.” And yes, that was snark. 😉

  181. On the first part of what I’ve quoted, I reject the loaded term “collectivist” but agree with you that Obama clearly stated a contrasting view between “we’re in this together” and “you’re on your own”.

    We’re not in “agreement.” “You’re on your own??” You think you’ve tackled it but all you’ve done is prove you really don’t get it. I quit. The context you think is lacking is worse than the part of statement you claim is a distortion when taken in isolation. The whole thing operates at a frequency that you cannot hear. I mean that.

  182. This is rich, I just read, James Holmes is claiming amnesia. Guess he really is crazy, if he thinks anyone will believe that.

  183. James, you’re my go-to Anglo-file. Why all this uproar over Romney’s statements? I’m no Romney fan, but for a people that once raped other nations for there ginger and tea, I think they are being a little overly sensitive.

    Are we really, as George Bernard Shaw once said: “… two countries separated by a common language” ?

  184. “Collectivist isn’t loaded if you appreciate the context of the side of the discussion it owns. Ironically the term individualist doesn’t quite capture reality of the other side either.”

    Lay it on us Mamasita (Alfie). Those were from my bag of terms.

  185. Actually Rutherford doesn’t think its the best thing since sliced bread, if I remember correctly, he was disgusted that black firefighters had different testing standards.

  186. Thor, why in God’s name would we want to bring Wallstreet to it’s knees? Damn right Republican Party posits itself as the pro business party. I’ll drink to that anyday. But defending the Libor scam, defending a clandestine Federal Reserve, and defending the status quo when it comes to the stench of Keyenesian Economics and the all the corruption that naturally occurs with such an elitist system….that comes from the inner bowels of the Democratic Party. I think the House of Representatives proved that the other day.

    And dude….if there is one thing I DO need to convince you of it is that my finance credentials should be held in the same esteem as poolman’s drones. The only difference being I’m aware of how confused I am.

  187. Rabbit I just read a news account and if Holmes’ mother is telling the truth ABC are real scumbags. She says that when they asked if she was nutjob’s mother, she said “You have the right person”.

    Well to my credit, I chopped ABC off my Sunday news show list a while ago when I decided George Snuffalupagus’s ego was more than I could stand.

  188. Rutherford, I have quoted no man is an island at least two times. The government did not create your show. It may have provided generic help in the form of the internet which businesses developed after the military created it . It made roads and made conditions favorable for an infrastructure to develop, but we tax payers made it possible. Our representatives told the government where and what to spend.

    Your talk show was of your design, and not the government’s or the private companies, friends and family members who helped you succeed. The government did none of the hard work. It was impersonally providing some if the right conditions as back ground noise. Your talks show belongs to you and no one else. You deserve to feel good about what you have done.

    The government has no claim on your talk show. You created it, not Obama’s administration. He is setting us up for higher taxes and a socialist mind set. Interdependence has little to do with what Obama’s ideologues want from us. Feudalism more accurately describes progressives’ plans

  189. Rutherford, regardless of our political differences, I think you should be proud of your talk snow. its something most of us have never done.

    I agree ABC New has some real scum bags. They aren’t the only ones. People who used shootings to gain advantage over their political opponents are like vampires feeding on the blood of the dead. The main difference is that unlike vampires ABC and others operate by day too.

  190. Hmmmmmmmm. MSNBC temporarily drops most of its lineup for Olympic Soccer coverage and suddenly R is only able to slightly dabble in his own blog. Coincidence?

    Thor feeding the Tiger … shame on you! 🙂

    Are you going to introduce us R, or are we in that other group? 🙂

    I discourage everyone I know personally from reading the comments section. It’s as much to protect them from my nastier side as it is protecting them from The League of Vermin Voters. 🙂

  191. E-publishing is going through the roof. My wife and I got into that business about three years ago; we can’t find enough authors to keep up with demand.

    I’d love to know more PF either publicly or privately (you know where to find me). I need exposure to as many lucrative legal businesses as possible right now.

  192. Thor, why in God’s name would we want to bring Wallstreet to it’s knees? – DR

    I don’t, I was just saying Romney is not going to be a Wall Street reformer.

  193. “And dude….if there is one thing I DO need to convince you of it is that my finance credentials should be held in the same esteem as poolman’s drones. The only difference being I’m aware of how confused I am.” – DR

    You mean I shouldn’t have pulled a fifth mortgage to hit that tip you gave the other day? NOW you tell me! 🙂

  194. Thor, while some customers have gotten some money back you have to think about how that is happening. The victims are being treated as if they are unsecured creditors in a bankruptcy. Think about how fucked up that is. MF Global raided private property and then get treated as if they have defualted on a loan. Do you realize the message this sends out? How pissed would you be if I robbed your home and then the police operated under the assumption you loaned thief rabbit your shit! What a great era to be a thief! Now wrap your mind around this. MF Global bet on European soveriegn debt to default. Yet, they owned no bonds. This wasn’t insurance. This was gambling. How much more money is riding on these bets? Ten times more then the all the wealth in the world! How can this be? Well, sadly, it is your Democrats that ultimatly want to protect this lunacy by making sure a system where money is created out thin air is done so with no transparency what so ever. Why? Because liberals can not wim elections without hand outs. And the only way to keep the hand outs going is by emersing our country in the same ponzi scheme that allowed MF Global to steal money from people in broad day light.

  195. Lol
    Stand fast on those Cisco calls! Up 27 percent today. Just….cough…..ignore what happened the last couple days. Options are not for the faint of heart. You can be down 90% and end up having an awesome party. Cisco is going to bump.

  196. The collective which played a role in its creation is co-owner.

    This is interesting. So I suppose you oppose public companies? After all, most of the thousands of Microsoft stock holders (who co-own the company) literally had nothing to do with its ascent on any day to day basis.

  197. As I read through the comments I love the new meme that Newt is “threatening” FBI intervention in the blog.

    Newt … be careful … you’re dealing with a bunch of paranoid schizo’s here, the head schizo being Noah.

  198. The topic of treason came up and it is worth thinking about what constitutes treason in a free society. I’m not sure it’s so easy to pin down. Take wikileaks … one man’s treason is another man’s exposure of the truth covered by the first amendment.

  199. It’s American as apple pie to arm yourself in case our democracy is ever over thrown.

    This comment needs refinement. Do we need to be armed in case some nutjob militia tries to overthrow our legally elected government in Washington …. or … do we need to be armed against said government when it over reaches?

  200. Who’s the paranoid one? I recall Newt giving the stern warning that big brother is spying and that a discussion on the motivations for legally arming ourselves is a conversation that might bring the wrath of this all knowing, all powerful nanny. After all, the Eye of Mordor is data mining all our phrases. Yeah R. There are some paranoid people here. And even if she is right. Who gives a shit. Fuck Nanny and long live the first amendment that allows us to bull shit about the second!

  201. @297 DR,

    Have DOJ said they will not prosecute, or are they just taking longer than some politicos would like? Someone close to me was associated with the collection dept. of a financial institution for a long time. They went on the assumption that once you stop getting anymore cooperation (money owed) it was time to start the prosecution. And once the prosecution starts, you aren’t going to see anymore cooperation (money). I think they are still in collection mode. If Corzine is guilty (I believe he still contends he knew nothing) than he should go away forever, like you say, as a message to others.

    Of course, he could invoke the Romney caveat. “Yes, I was the CEO. Yes, I signed documents. But I wasn’t really responsible for any of this. Not the bad stuff, anyway. Just the good stuff. 😉

  202. “As I read through the comments I love the new meme that Newt is “threatening” FBI intervention in the blog.”

    Newt was being cryptic and weird.

  203. Knowing how networked the world is …. and how networked finance and government is I wouldn’t jump to any quick conclusions regarding the Holder-Corzine connection.

    So many of these folks are in bed with each other as a matter of course that the appearance of impropriety is inevitable.

  204. I think in the interest of sharing perhaps others should define liberal/liberalism specifically as it is in place in the USA.

    Sorry to nitpick but I made no attempt to “define” and I said so from the outset. I offered my perception.

    H/T to Thor who gave me good advice. I tend toward verbosity. His assessment of the liberal conservative divide was much more to the point. 🙂

  205. but specifically made with the expressed purpose for taking human life and nothing else.

    LOL and Noah you accuse me of arguing dishonestly. What a fraud. Who said “and nothing else”? I’ve already acknowledged the existence of hunters.

    Putting words in your opponent’s mouth violates an implicit ground rule of debate, Mr Debating Purist.

  206. “Stand fast on those Cisco calls! Up 27 percent today.” – DR

    Just do me a favor. Put down the baby before you turn on the CNBC. 🙂

    Isn’t it amazing. One positive remark from Merkel or Drogbi and the market goes up 300 points. No wonder politicians lose sight of the “little people”. Such Earthly power.

  207. Rutherford thinks affirmative action is the best thing since sliced bread.

    I have mixed feelings about affirmative action and of course it takes several forms, some more tolerable than others.

    For example, I see nothing wrong with colleges actively recruiting minority applicants or those in poor neighborhoods. This involves exposing talented youth to programs they might not know exist or they assume are beyond their reach,

    However once the applicant is recruited, he should be judged color blind against all other applicants. I do NOT favor admitting unqualified minorities (or anyone for that matter). Throwing merit out the window is an insult to those who deserve it and those who do not.

  208. R, I asked Nagic to explain his remark that I had no credibility. According to my re-elect Obama Kenyan wrist sundial, that was nearly four hours ago. How much longer should I wait before kicking my feet and calling him a bitch? 😉

  209. 302, no Rutherford I don’t oppose public corporations. Companies like Microsoft began with ideas and thrived through luck, creativity, and hard work. They sell goods and services and in so doing, they create more wealth which did not exist for the economy before.

    Stockholders buy shares in the company to make money and the company sells shares of ownership to raise operating cash. If stocks become more valuable, even more new wealth is created. As owners, many share holders vote on issues affecting the company.

    That is different from a government which tells us we don’t own what we created and we owe whatever our leaders feel is fair compensation for their distributing their largess on our behalf. The government is not a beneficet master. It is merely tool for collective action by the citizens who make the government’s actions possible through their tax money.. Progressives want the government to be our master.

  210. Thor, your friend retrieved stolen property? You do get that this was theft, don’t you? – DR

    Yes, I get it. I’m not trying to equate the actions of the offenders. I’m trying to offer an explanation as to why it still seems nothing is being done. I’m sure deals are being cut on both sides of the Atlantic. You want them to go in hard. I get that too. Perhaps it’s not yet time. Do you think Romney would pursue this more aggressively? Even if it led back to some of his Bain connections? Like I said, there could be bigger fish involved that are actually applying the pressure. Every thief needs a fence.

  211. thor

    what is the point in responding to something that you already know the answer to? If you dont know the answer then I doubt any hand holding on my part would lend any enlightenment.

  212. R –
    “Only if you are mentally retarded. Gasoline and fertilizer are not sold to kill people. Guns are. So stop the totally ridiculous false equivalencies.”

    I would submit that they are not as different as you might think. When used properly, both gasoline and firearms are fine things. When used improperly, both are not.

    What is the “proper use” of a firearm? Quite simply, it takes a world where the strong can abuse the weak at will, and changes it to a world where they cannot. That seems like a very good thing to me.

    re: e-book publishing. Email me at pfesser53@gmail.com and I’ll discuss with you. Most of the stuff we publish is romantic erotica aimed at women; it may not be your bag, but we can discuss. Given your writing skill, from my POV it would be a pleasure to have an author we don’t have to marry to a copy editor.

  213. I have no trouble with affirmative action if it is really needed. Race-based affirmative action has lasted long enough to compensate for past discrimination. I believe the time has come to make affirmative action less about race and more economic geographic. Affirmative action should be used to help people find good connections and not to boost them ahead of others.

    As I wrote before, Rutherford, I agree with your thoughts on treason.

  214. “but specifically made with the expressed purpose for taking human life and nothing else.”

    It’s a sad but incontrovertible truth, alas: some folks NEED killin’. That makes guns a useful tool, since they are so GOOD at that job.

  215. We are good at killing, with or without guns. Most of us just do it in our minds. Some have killed millions without brandishing any weapon.

  216. I heard tell Romney may withdraw. Any of you MSM folks hear that rumor? I think old Sharpton was talking it up with some guests. Something about not wanting to release taxes filings. Anyway, sounds important. Maybe not as important as the Olympics.

  217. “Newt was being cryptic and weird.” I’ll take it, but I prefer to be thought of as enigmatic.

  218. @ rutherford 311. I was actually tossing it to the thread
    to say something,it wasn’t on you at all.
    Basically I don’t think you subscribe to the definition of liberal but you identify closest to them. Just saying

    Not to jump James’ invite but as an anglophile I think the Brits got miffed because of a wag the dog moment. Hell the potential strikes,the controversy over security and the deal with the army/RAF putting missiles on the roof of a housing estate (projects) were all the anti UK Olympics rage. But it ends when a Yank opens his mouth.

  219. How many drones do they have in the sky in London right now, anybody know? The have quite a bulwark set up. Decades of planning going into this event. Most the entire area was redone from the underground on up.

  220. Damn politicians! The ass kissing is over the top.

    Obama Upstages Romney, Strengthens Security Ties with Israel

    On the eve of Mitt Romney’s visit to Israel, President Barack Obama signs bill to strengthen U.S.-Israeli military ties.

    Obama used a White House ceremony to announce the United States would soon provide Israel with an additional $70 million in funding for the Iron Dome short-range rocket shield.

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/158346#.UBMzQ2GvJ8E

    All the while John Q. Public polishes his pistols and stocks his paltry pantry.

  221. “what is the point in responding to something that you already know the answer to? If you dont know the answer then I doubt any hand holding on my part would lend any enlightenment.” – Nagic

    Really? You accuse me of having no credibility. I ask why and this is your answer? Pretty lame.

    So there you have it R. The next time Nagic accuses you of dodging, just tell him he already knows the answer or you don’t want to hold his hand. Perfectly acceptable by his own standards, stated right here.

  222. back to gun control….I absolutely hate the guy but don’t let that move ya.
    Bloomberg
    I can’t be alone that talk about policing,coming from a guy that has stop and frisk cooking,is kosher.

  223. “Not to jump James’ invite but as an anglophile I think the Brits got miffed because of a wag the dog moment. ” – Alfie

    Sorry A, didn’t know it was your deal too. So you’re saying it was just a distraction? Makes sense.

    I heard that they had to pass a set of laws about security, trademarks, freedom of speech, in order to even be considered as a host city. (Apparently this is always the case with the IOC). Perhaps it is urban legend, but I heard a London butcher had to take down some sausage links he had put up as Olympic rings in his window, because of this set of laws. I wonder if SLC had to pass the same type of ordinances when Mitt was there?

  224. From the times I’ve been and the friends I know…. The UK is no stranger to a level of Big Brother-ish stuff that even post 9/11 would be seen as surreal from us over here. The other thing is that nationalism today isn’t as widely celebrated,hell in many cases it is looked down upon,than ever once upon a time when the Sun never set….
    On a side note and with full disclosure that I’m a Mitt guy…. the new precedent in hosting the Games and the much upped and now overt corruption and collusion of the IOC makes Mitts SLC look like a family picnic planning thing. I seriously don’t see how Rio (? 2016) pulls it off after Beijing and London.

  225. @ Thor… I looked into it a little and there seems to be some meat to that story. The Butcher was from Dorset. There was also a case where a bakers group balked at certain icing patterns secondary fear of fines. The UK Telegraph reported that up to 300 enforcement officers were on the job policing brand integrity. Go back to my Big Brother comment.

  226. Thor, did you post a link about the MF Global pay out? I can’t find it. The journalism on MF Global is horrible. Out of the piss poor articles I’ve read, it seems no one has been reimbursed 100%. But who knows.

  227. @ poolman…it isn’t going to make you feel better in any way shape or form but the deal is quite possibly a tip of the iceberg stuff. It could also be short range political one-ups manship.
    On the former there is the fact that a number of (R)’s want to pony up considerably more $$$.
    On the latter I’ve been of the opinion that Obama has long seen his domestic ability completely neutered hence his FP forays and associated leaks too. The potential that the US will try to get Israel to co-produce drone technology is something I can see a second term Obama viewing as a “jobs” thing.

    Hey R how does that go down? Obama in a second term likely being a big time war machine profiteer??? Guess he really doesn’t need that Medal after all.

  228. “sorry thor, didnt realize I was speaking through you to Rutherford. Get his dick out of your ass and be your own man.” – Nagic

    There you go R, the plot line for the first manuscript you send to PF. We’ll be like a modern day Socrates and Alcibiades. Just make sure there’s some cyber semen stains attached to your query. You’ll be sure to make it to the top of his slush pile. 🙂

    I thought you accused me of propping up R. Now R is propping up me? Which is it? You’re so full of crap. It’s like the time I asked you which states would produce Romney’s landslide (you were predicting) and you replied that you “weren’t a statistician”. Then, just days later, you produced reams of obscure stats on Canadian health care. It’s like you don’t think people around here have a memory. Weird.

  229. Thor…led back to some of his Bain connections? Dude….what the living hell are you talking about? What does that even mean? And my God man….Romney isn’t president. It used to always be blame Bush. Now the excuses are a pretend president who may or may not exist in the FUTURE!! Lol. The corruption is right in front of your face. But I tell you what. Just like I’m waiting for this massive GDP growth, the most robust in American history actually, to nullify the unprecedented deficit spending, I will now wait for Corzine’s head to roll. Just trust you, A?

  230. How is it that someone who claims–over and over–to want to engage in debate and discussion constantly says things like “your Messiah” to the person he claims to want this great, open, intellectual exhange of ideas with? To my knowledge, Rutherford has never referred to the President in that fashion. In fact, to my knowledge, that is simply a term that certain immature people use to implicitly accuse others of not engaging in critical thinking. I guess that I’d think someone who genuinely wanted debate wouldn’t constantly preface his claimed efforts at discourse with an insult. But that’s just me. (and I really wonder about the constant homosexual references. Most people who are comfortable in their own sexuality don’t think in those terms).

  231. Oh, rabbit–I know I am nerdy. Believe me–I will be the first to admit it. Would you like for me to diagnose someone? Or possibly offer a nice limerick for your reading enjoyment? I do not come here often but I will try to entertain you when I do. p.s. I have a secret crush on Tex. shhhh

  232. Emily. Since you are here. Could you explain to me why we live in an era where not meeting profit expectations, horrible consumer confidence and disappointing GDP growth sparks a 200 point bump in the Dow? Emily I’m really scratching my head on that one. I know it’s not about Noah but I was hoping, since you seem to be hanging with dead rabbit tonight, you could flash a little insight.

    XXXXX 😛

  233. There once was a poster named Nagic
    Whose life really must be quite tragic
    He relies on true sludge
    like what’s published in Drudge
    His insults are far less than magic.

    There once was a poster named Poolman
    Perhaps he once really was cool, man.
    But he now writes of plots
    that aren’t based in thoughts
    but are closer to ravings and drool, man.

  234. rabbit: I have to tell you that I am beyond baffled. I mean, can that actually be due to some theory about the EU? I can’t see it.

    p.s. How is the little rabbit? I hope that he and Mrs. R are doing well.

  235. “to be some meat to that story” – A

    “meat” Well played. 🙂

    “The UK Telegraph reported that up to 300 enforcement officers were on the job policing brand integrity.” A

    Brand integrity? That does sound Orwellian. I thought the new world order was suppose to rise out of the UN, not the IOC.

    I seriously don’t see how Rio (? 2016) pulls it off after Beijing and London. – A

    They’ll get a dry run with the 2014 World Cup, some would say an even bigger task.

  236. Thank you. I should write greeting cards. Glad the small rabbit is doing well. Good night. Emily shall return–and for reasons other than to disdain Nagic.

  237. How is it that someone who claims–over and over–to want to engage in debate and discussion constantly says things like “your Messiah” to the person he claims to want this great, open, intellectual exhange of ideas with?

    I am happy to work with your read dysfunction Emily. My offer for fair and honest conversation was rejected by Rutherford. We are playing his game by his rules. If you have issue with that take it up with him.

    As for taking the time to post 350, I am thrilled that I have gotten into your head that you would take of your time to compose that. It is nice to know I am making progress.

  238. It’s like the time I asked you which states would produce Romney’s landslide (you were predicting) and you replied that you “weren’t a statistician”. Then, just days later, you produced reams of obscure stats on Canadian health care. It’s like you don’t think people around here have a memory. Weird

    This is why I dont bother with a piece of shit like you Thor, so lets consider this the end of the discussion. I didnt know about Romney so I had nothing to offer, being honest, a concept that is foreign to you, I can see your misunderstanding. Rutherford made claims, I did some research and I linked what I had found. There is no contradiction here except in your own fucked up mind. Class dismissed.

  239. “Thor, did you post a link about the MF Global pay out? I can’t find it.” DR

    You’re never going to make it on the “cool teacher” list if you keep handing out homework Mr. Hand. 🙂

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304821304577440693850068120.html

    http://dm.epiq11.com/MFG/Project

    http://dm.epiq11.com/MFG/Project (This is one ET will probably have to translate for us.)

    And as far as Romney and Bain, I’m not accusing him of anything, I’m just saying, how’s he going to build a competent cabinet without drawing from this same pool of people, so if he does win and the investigation continues, he could eventually look as if he has a conflict as well.

  240. How much longer should I wait before kicking my feet and calling him a bitch? 😉

    Don’t bother calling him a bitch. Just say he has no credibility. 🙂

  241. Whay does Bain have to do with MF Global? I honestly don’t understand what you are trying to say.

    Are you saying that Bain might be under investigation by the time Romney is President? For what? Nothing that even remotely compares to MF Global. MF Global is unprecedented (up to a month ago anyways).

    Or are you saying that Romeny is a business man and Corzine is a business man and we have another conflict of interest. Please tell me that’s not what you mean so that I can take you seriously.

  242. Is it a bad sign if your wife dry heaves when you get in bed? I just made my wife dry heave. I’m kicked out and on the couch. I ate two massive smoked white fish and washed it all down with porter. Apparently my burps are fucking putrid.

  243. Noah, two things. The article’s title “Obama backs race-based school discipline policies” is loaded and of course it appears in Tucker Carlson’s conservative rag.

    But I know I know …. you hate it when I insult the messenger.

    I got an email today from the NAACP on this same subject. Their take on it is not some program to let blacks get away with misbehavior that whites get punished for. And I tend to believe them. The Daily Caller’s take is pretty ridiculous at least from the title and the interpretation of some conservatives they interviewed.

    After reading the NAACP memo, I do agree with the following quote from the DC article:

    “It is too bad that the president has chosen to set up a new bureaucracy with a focus on one particular racial group, to the exclusion of all others,” said Roger Clegg, the president of the Center for Equal Opportunity.

    When I read the NAACP memo I asked myself “why blacks only?” Poor education effects the poor of all races. Poor education is more related to poverty than race.

    My take away is this is a campaign pander by Obama who has targeted very few advancement programs toward blacks in the past four years. Some blacks feel he has ignored them.

  244. Given your writing skill, from my POV it would be a pleasure to have an author we don’t have to marry to a copy editor.

    PF I’ll definitely be in touch. I’m much more interested in the publishing end of this … or for that matter maybe even the copy editor end of it. I have zero talent for writing fiction. (Despite the fact that many here think the ideology I believe in is a work of fiction. 🙂 )

  245. I had to chuckle about you guys tonight as my daughter and my Dad and I sat down to an episode of the Simpsons where Homer buys a gun to protect his family. If there was ever a great testimony for strict gun control, that was it. 😀

    So yes … I’ve joined the ranks of Poolman, gleaning profundity from the Simpsons.

  246. “Obama Upstages Romney, Strengthens Security Ties with Israel”

    Holy crap. If I’m not mistaken O kissed UK’s ass before Romney’s visit too. I wonder what he’ll do with Poland?

  247. Alfie, I must confess to some confusion as to why Bloomberg has been so outspoken (and at the same time a bit cryptic) on gun control in the wake of Aurora. And your comment about stop and frisk, if I understand you correctly is right on. Definite cognitive dissonance there methinks.

  248. Get his dick out of your ass and be your own man.

    Thor is it just me or does Noah have a real thing with homo-erotic imagery and gay-speak? I’m really surprised he didn’t end that last salvo with “bitch”. 🙂

    Noah … serious question. Do you have any acting experience? Cos hell, sometimes you talk gay … sometimes you talk like a brotha. Your communication style is so, shall we say, versatile.

  249. “I didnt know about Romney so I had nothing to offer,” – Nagic

    Then why did you make the prediction that Romney would win in a landslide?

    “This is why I dont bother with a piece of shit like you Thor” – Nagic

    From the man that once accused me of not being able to answer anybody without insulting them (an obvious lie). I simply asked you to back up your statement about my credibility (which, of course, you have not done) Instead, in a stretch of 20 comments, you have accused me of allowing R to sodomize me, accused me of going both ways and called me a piece of shit.

    You are hypocrisy incarnate.

  250. Thor, I love Alfie in an in2thefray sort of way but as usual he lets Mitt off the hook too easily.

    Now I’m not saying Mitt committed any capital crime but his London stay has been full of blunders at least one of which his own advisers could have sheltered him from.

    1. He was skeptical about the London games chances for success given the problems they’ve had. Everything he told Brian Williams was true BUT you just don’t say it. It’s f*cking rude. As a result the tabloids had a field day and London’s mayor submitted Romney to a very public spanking.

    2. He may or may not have forgotten the minority leaders name. He called him “Mr. Leader”. Now I think it’s possible Mitt thought that was etiquette (like “Mr. Speaker” here in the US) but the press immediately assumed he forgot the dude’s name.

    3. But the real doozy and the one for which a few Romney staffers should be fired (again) is his saying in public that he met with the leader of MI6. Great Britain never even acknowledged the existence of MI6 until the 1990’s. And to this day it is a very secretive organization that does not get discussed. Romney was supposed to keep this meeting to himself. I don’t blame Mitt for this gaffe. The dude is a businessman and part-time politician. He doesn’t know any better. That’s why he has advisers and once again they let him down.

    You also must remember that the British press makes our press look like Mary Poppins. They will tear a mofo down in a minute. They don’t play. I think Mitt has less to worry about with the UK press and more to worry about with the public statements of David Cameron and Boris Johnson.

  251. Source doesn’t matter, it is an executive order so it is there for everyone to see regardless of who reports on it.

    So bottom line it for me, do you approve or disapprove of this program.

  252. FINALLY!!!! I have caught up with comments. Damn you boys and girls have been like a treadmill out of control this week and I’ve been like George Jetson:

  253. Rutherford,372, do we really want to go down the road where we generate and encourage posts for no other purpose than to attack people on here personally? I will be happy to overachieve in this department if you enjoy it so much.

  254. Rutherford,372, do we really want to go down the road where we generate and encourage posts for no other purpose than to attack people on here personally?

    Noah, a self effacing sense of humor is a must in a forum like this. If I didn’t have one I would have closed up shop long ago.

  255. “Or are you saying that Romeny is a business man and Corzine is a business man and we have another conflict of interest. Please tell me that’s not what you mean so that I can take you seriously.” – DR

    No, what I’m saying is there are probably about 3 degrees of separation between Wall Street law firms and any potential candidate for attorney general or treasury secretary in any administration.

    Exchanges like these make me feel for the FBI dudes assigned to “monitor” our conversations.

    Of course, they also get rewarded with stuff like this.

    “Is it a bad sign if your wife dry heaves when you get in bed?”

    Hilarious. 🙂

  256. @ Rutherford since I’ve been pretty fair in the past on Obama I think my Mitt stances are actually a consistency thing.
    I agree with you that the UK press plays at a different level.
    I agree with you that Romney is starchy.
    His “Mr Leader” thing. He was meeting the opposition leader,he could have addressed him “minister”. I dare say US etiquette and diplomacy students are some of the worse on the planet. They are one step up from the sports folks though who display the incorrect Korean flag or play Borat songs for national anthems.
    I looked via the Guardian just to be super fair re MI6. Lots of Romney knocks that read verbatim to your comment. After those though a ton of mentions. I care deeply for my ancestors but the false stoicism and staid stiff upper lip shit is annoying. Not talking in public about something everyone is talking about in public is silly.
    He took a right public pillory for the Games remark but there again my cousins were being dishonest in a big way. Romney was also humbled and laid himself out as such.
    All in all, good or bad reviews, the fact that there is dialog is something I’m finding very interesting. Higher order flakes have seen this “tour” and also latched on to the comments of some Asian and Canadian faces and it is encouraging.

  257. My ancestors from both parents were British transplants who stayed in the UK for at least 300 years. My wife and I lived there. We learned the Brits are quirky to say the least. For example, our neighbors across the street had moved from London 30 years before. They were still known as the Londoners.

    Their stiff upper lips are little more than the Germanic people’s unwillingness to express overt emotions. An Italian’s claiming she could herd Swedes across a room at parties by standing too close illustrates the same collective personality trait.

    The British are also sensitive to the their faded grandure. Before the Olympics, half of London planned to vacation in Spain during the games. They criticized the government’s heavy-handed methods in creating the Olympic village. British were outraged over the incompentance of the security company which necessitated the government’s using soldiers for security duties during the financial scarcity of hard tomes.

    As the Olympics began, the attitude changed, and the big party looked like a chance to reveal the UK as it once was. Romney, who had rescued an Olympics competition, mused about the Brits’ readiness to protect attendees from securty breaches was insulting not only the Olympics organizers, but the British people.

    Pears Morgan, I think said Romney was right. He said what the locals had been saying for months. Cameron said the managing an Olympics in the middle of nowhere was easier than doing it in a major cosmopolitan city. The Obamas made their share of mistakes too. Americans are different from Europeans.

  258. My wife and I went native while we were in the UK. We winced like the Europeans when Canadian or United States tourists were around. For one thing, they were so loud.

    Many Europeans who loved tourists’ money disdained them as loud, ignorant rubes who with the ability to speak only one language had little real knowledge of the world.

    The British revealed another trait when my wife and I flew back from Holland. As far as I know, we were the only Americans on the plane. An engine failed as we took off, and the pilot aborted our flight. My wife and I were grateful it had happened before serious trouble happened.

    We waited several hours for another air plane. The British passengers complained loudly about the inconvience.

    You are the funniest dead rabbit I know. Hi Emily.

  259. No, what I’m saying is there are probably about 3 degrees of separation between Wall Street law firms and any potential candidate for attorney general or treasury secretary in any administration.

    Dammit Thor you always manage to say what I say in MUCH fewer words. You’re a professional writer yes? You should be my editor. Trouble is the job doesn’t pay well. 🙂

  260. Not talking in public about something everyone is talking about in public is silly.

    LOL so damn true. And you’re right … wasn’t that Korean flag faux pas incredible? You’d think the folks running the Olympics of all things would have the MOST sensitivity to these kind of things.

    An off topic comment about the Olympics: As I watched the parade of nations last night I was struck by no matter how f*cked up your country is you still send a team to the Olympics. Yemen, the latest home base for terrorist training … sends a team to the Olympics. Syria of all damn places, on the verge of falling apart … sends a team to the Olympics. That’s a real head-scratcher for me.

  261. Thor, your response to MF Global is fascinating. I think any outside, objective observer would see through your contortions pretty plainly.

    Hope and Change has mutated into Corruption is the Norm.

    The fact you brought up Bain everytime is hilerious. I know we have differing views of the world. But, you are beholden to a team, not an idea. I’m not like you. I’m free.

    When is GDP going to save us?

  262. Total bull shit. 3 degrees my ass. You guys are disgusting appologists. Besides, Corzine and Holder are 1 degree. Also, MF Global is beyond fucked up. Pathetic. And you call yourself liberals! Ha!

  263. An Italian’s claiming she could herd Swedes across a room at parties by standing too close illustrates the same collective personality trait.

    The image of that really cracked me up.

  264. In my experience, Brits will forgive anything, if the offender is the first to laugh at themselves. They actually expect gaffs from foreigners.

  265. The MF Global Chapter 11 is some sad shit. It’s the unsecured creditors (JP Morgan) vs. the victims of theft. Looks like the vile JP Morgan has temporarily backed down, although they reserve the right to retroactively go after the customers’ cash at a later date. I know it’s a dog eat dog world. I get that. But JPM was fighting for cash that everybody agrees to be STOLEN PROPERTY. Ain’t enough money to go around Thor.

  266. That was cute, Emily. Sort of. I had thought only my wife knew I drooled, but I guess there have been a few others over the years.

    Everyone watching Olympics? I saw some of the opening ceremony. Elaborate. Bedazzling. Cryptic. A couple of, ‘I can’t believe they just did that’s.

    Yeah, Rutherford, even Yemen participates. Ritualistic. It keeps us mesmerized for the moment and gets our focus off things like nuclear meltdowns, wars and genocide, financial meltdowns and shenanigans…

    All these banks create all the credit through fractional reserve banking. Most of the money out there was created the moment a loan was taken out. This is an almost zero cost operation. If you don’t build massive palaces all over the place, anyway, and pay your people twice what normal employees earn, let alone what you fork over to your vampire ‘traders’ and ‘investment bankers’.

    http://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2012/07/27/you-call-this-an-insolvency-crisis-my-a/

  267. emily opined:
    “But that’s just me. (and I really wonder about the constant homosexual references. Most people who are comfortable in their own sexuality don’t think in those terms).”

    Not so. A real man can take it up the rump and not have his manhood threatened.

  268. Herding Swedes sounds like herding cattle, doesn’t it Rutherford.

    Newt or no newt, British people are forgiving, but they don’t forget. When Europeans talk among themselves they often look at Americans with disdain. Disdain is different from forgiveness.

    Many still think that while Michele Obama’s hugging Queen Elizabeth was not ill intended and was forgivable, but gauche.

  269. Sorry about #398, it doesn’t bring up the page, so I made a copy.

    Mitt Romney has vowed to return a bust of Winston Churchill to the White House if elected president.

    The only problem: it’s already there.

    Responding to Romney’s claim that the bust has been removed from 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. — perpetuated in conservative Charles Krauthammer’s Friday column in the Washington Post — White House communications director Dan Pfeiffer on Friday called the rumor “so patently false” that he had to respond.

    Though President Obama did move the bust out of the Oval Office — and replaced it with a bust of President Abraham Lincoln — it’s still in the White House, just moved to the residence, outside the Treaty Room. “News outlets have debunked this claim time and again,” Pfeiffer wrote in an unusual fact-check blog post on the White House website.

    In case those reports haven’t satisfied critics, Pfeiffer also offers up a 2010 photo of the president and British Prime Minister David Cameron looking at the bust along with his post.

    “Hopefully this clears things up a bit and prevents folks from making this ridiculous claim again,” Pfeiffer said.

    At a fundraiser Thursday in London, Romney said he is “looking forward to the bust of Winston Churchill being in the Oval Office again,” where it was during George W. Bush’s presidency.

  270. Noah I haven’t read the executive order. If it only targets blacks, I oppose it.

    Sorry I thought you read the article.

    Its a quota system. They have to make sure now that black kids are not punished more than white kids. Even if the black kids are doing more wrong, they have to balance the numbers out. More affirmative action. What do you think Rutherford? Punishments dealt out based on numbers rather than deeds.

  271. FIVE RULES FOR MEN TO FOLLOW FOR A HAPPY LIFE:
    1. It’s important to have a woman who helps at home, cooks from time to time, cleans up, and has a job.
    2. It’s important to have a woman who can make you laugh.
    3. It’s important to have a woman who you can trust, and doesn’t lie to you.
    4. It’s important to have a woman who is good in bed, and likes to be with you.
    5. It’s very, very important that these four women do not know each other or you could end up dead like me.

  272. Not for nothing but the full story re the half a statue is true on all sides.
    There is a bust of Winston Churchill that has been in the WH since the ’60’s.
    Post 9/11 a special loan was made to W of another bust of Sir Winston.
    The latter is the one that adorned the Oval office during the W years and is the one returned to the UK vis a vis the Embassy. The former is the one “living” in the residence.

    All parties are right and wrong on this one and both sides LOVES THE DISTRACTION contrary to anything anyone says.

  273. Alfie is right. It is a tale of two busts.

    “I rented my flat to a fat American” is printed on one of the best-selling purses in Briton now.

  274. A poll conducted by Harris Interactive shows that women are more prone to road rage than men. Gorilla, you had better hope the four women don’t drive when you are on the road.

  275. James dead on about McCartney. The “na na na naaaah” was made for a crowd to sing along. Truly the genius of Hey Jude which btw was one of the first singles to break the 3 minute barrier.

  276. Newt the other version that reputable sources have printed is that Churchills bust went to the British embassy and that it was not a gift but a loan. In any case it never went back to England.

    Conservatives lie like a rug.

  277. I know some of the gun experts are not keen on the these new revolvers that shoot 410 shot gun shells. But, I can’t think of weapon better suited for me. Shot gun is too big and hidden in my attic. I wanted something I coild protect my family with and safely lock up at an arms lengh. I went to a gun show today and bought a S&W Govenor. I can shoot 410 rounds of anything from buck shot to wicked defender rounds but can also fire colt
    45 and the ACP 45 (affordable for the range). This thing might be the scariest revolver on the planet. The gun snobs claim its a gimick gun. To me its the perfect gun for a guy who misses and who doesn’t want rounds flying through all my walls. I’m seriously considering tracking down bird shot for it. I got a great deal on it, too.

  278. Not a matter of trust at all. Misunderstandings abound on this topic and if I argue it in the future “Alfie said so” ain’t gonna cut it.

    Have you met Noah?

  279. By the way, I have to admit, the douche bag factor is pretty high at a gun show. Can you believe they sell fake grenades? How fucking stupid is that?

  280. R I will 99.9999999999999% of the time never type something that may bite me in the ass or make me look like a loon.
    I suppose I can concede that in a debate you are well advised to do your research but honest to God when I put up a softball it is done with a degree of rightful confidence & implied credibility.

  281. “Conservatives lie like a rug.” Yes, I know. Well I am glad the bust of Churchill was returned, don’t you just hate people, who borrow things and don’t return them?

  282. One last thing….a nit pick as it were but you deserve it for the lie like a rug thang.
    An Embassy is by definition an extension of the sovereign nation it represents…soooooo the bust being in the UK Embassy in D.C. is actually in the UK

  283. Rabbit my stereotype of the average gun proponent was shattered a while ago. I had always pictured them as macho guys. The most outspoken ones on TV are Bernie Goetz like nerds. I have to wonder if there are some “man issues” there or if based on their nerdy demeanor they’re scared shitless of being attacked.

  284. I have a prediction. Romney will be a relative success in Israel. He and BeeBee once worked together and are friends. Netenyahu will cover for Mitt’s flubs, if any. Plus Ben doesn’t like Obama.

  285. Tell me mah-man. What would this 4% do for us to keep us from teetering over the edge?

    You ever hear the phrase “every little bit helps”?

    And he goes with the famous affirmative action side step.

    You have a boat with a hole in it. 5 gallons of water are coming in every minute. At this rate your boat will sink in 10 minutes. You take a piece of tape and put it over the hole so now only 4.7 gallons of water are coming in. Have you solved your problem ? Have you even had a meaningful impact on your problem?

    Today’s national debt is approaching $16 Trillion, and it is rising fast. In just 12 years, the U.S. debt has seen an increase of over 275%. In the last 3 years alone, the debt has risen by over $5 trillion. This is in addition to the $5 trillion that was added from 2000 to 2009.

    I ask this because even before your Messiah proposed his health care bill, we were spending more than we took in. Now that he has added trillions in new spending, how do you propose we pay for all of these socialist programs you support? Show me where the money will come from and how we can sustain these levels of spending? Or are you just assuming all things will work out as we go on a Messiah average of $5 trillion of debt every 3 years?

  286. I’ll see your prediction and raise you a revelation. I was unmoved by the faux controversy in London and look forward to the Poland visit. The Israel trek is the minefield for me.
    infer *’s at any point in this comment as the points are waaaayyyyyy deeper than they appear.

  287. 425
    You said you didn’t know, that you didn’t read it, I was looking for a little something more than an answer made in ignorance. Stretch your self a little child..article wasn’t that big.

  288. @ 427 can others play????
    All government spending as we know it INCLUDING the GOP supported budgets are unsustainable.
    In no scenario are increases and new taxation available for being off the table.
    I for one think a more interesting question for Rutherofrd and other left o’ centers is whether they finally now appreciate that there truly needs to be more people outside the car helping to push it,as opposed to asking the same old pushers to work harder???

  289. Yes, Rutherford, the record industry said the Beatles version of “Hey Jude” was too long to sell commercially. I first heard the song on my wife’s birthday and wondered why it didn’t last longer.

    I would have posted the same Telegraph article as Alfie. Anther article who’s source I don’t remember said that the British are keeping the bust in their embassy in case Romney wins the election.

    If he does, Churchhill’s bust will return to its former spot. A loan can be a long-term affair virtually the same as a gift.

    Dan Pfeiffer is not a conservative. He is confused about the bust.

    Conservatives lie like rugs? What do liberals lie like?

  290. Hi, Rutherford: Actually, BiBi recently publicly indicated that he knew Mitt but that they were not friends. He expressed annoyance at the attempt to inflate a casual and very limited acquaintance to a genuine friendship. I don’t believe BiBi will cover for Mitt. Instead, I believe Mitt will very carefully screen any appearances to avoid public statements.

  291. About spending. Omaha station KFAB interviewed a medical lawyer said setting up the exchanges will include computers and personell. That action alone will be one cost millions of extra dollars. Obamacare will make our budget strain even more than it has, contrary to CBO estimates that it might reduce costs.

    We cannot sustain the expenses, but since our society has not recently driven off a cliff, we can’t visualize the consequences. We will live them eventually.

  292. Should have included sources. One was direct quote in July 2012 Vanity Fair. However, it’s my understanding that there are others. There are reports about the supposed “closeness” but they are based on Romney’s exaggeration and obviously of less reliability than BiBi’s own statements. Further, Romney does face that annoying issue of baptizing Jews. Not a crowd pleasing thing for the Israelis.

  293. [That society due to the whims of good and bad fortune over time is composed of people who are successful and those who are not. Those who are, fall into two categories — those who worked hard for it and could take advantage of good luck and those who were born at the right place at the right time and so long as they don’t completely screw things up are heirs to their fortune.]

    Good luck, but us non Socialists/Leftists can be defined as when preparation meets with opportunity. Not when government programs meet with outstretched hand.

    [Liberalism involves the establishment of a social contract (implicit if possible, but due to human nature, probably explicit) that suggests we are all in this together. We will help those who have fallen on hard times. We will optimize the potential for every participant in that contract to succeed to the best of their abilities. This is particularly the case from a financial perspective.]

    Help or be an eternal crutch? Do you deny that welfare has created generational poverty? Do you know how much poverty has risen since these social programs were introduced? So since you ignored it the first time, I ask again……

    Yet you are a proponent of the greatest creator of poor ever conceived by man, welfare. Look at what your Messiah has done for your fellow black man Rutherford. Where I am from, black male unemployment is over 50%. Seems your Messiah has turned uncle Tom on you and sold you out. Me thinks you are so blinded by bitterness and hate you are incapable of seeing the obvious truths before you.

    You know that class on welfare you took….Sociology wasn’t it? Tell me, did you have the same opportunity as everyone else? Did you have the same text books? Did you have equal exposure to your teacher and time to ask questions? If the answer is yes, then why didn’t everyone get the same grade? The classroom is set up just like the perfect Leftist world, same for everyone, no one has an advantage. Yet despite this utopia, some people got an A, some a C, and still others failed. If this little leftist exercise doesn’t work in the classroom, why would it work in the real world?

    [Socially, liberalism involves the acceptance of people who are not like us.]

    Really, so you accept Conservatives and others who don’t think as you do? You treat them as you do your own, fairly and honestly? Really?

    [We recognize the variety of personal choices members of the social contract can make and we recognize that so long as those choices do not negatively impact others, then those choices must be respected.]

    Really, seems your social programs and massive debt generation are having a massive impact on my life. Messiah care imposes your choice upon me. Your Messiah’s security act can impose the governments choices upon me. Punitive taxation can impose a whole host of negative things on my life.

    [We particularly abhor conclusions being made about those qualities of human life over which the human has no control (race, gender, national origin, gender preference, disability, etc.) Discrimination based on those immutable conditions is anathema to the liberal and must be fought at all costs.]

    Seems to me your Messiah has made a lot of decisions in his time in office based on race. Seems to me his latest executive order violates this tenet in spades.

  294. Personally I hope Mitt does better in Poland and Israel than he did in London, it is embarrassing when any American acts like a rube overseas.

  295. Well, Alfie–they can’t both be true. Of course, my personal philosophy always has been that anyone who would want to be president shouldn’t be.

  296. Since Mitt is busy he sent me…
    I’m really curious…why do you persist in accepting/propagate the rube notion?
    The truth is the cousins are lying to feel relevant in history yet again. As noted in this thread the Brits themselves shared the concerns Romney had the temerity to announce.
    Now the reason this needs to be asked is two fold.
    1. I doubt you (and others on the left) were as critical of Obamas many gaffes and fuck ups. For example what was your opinion on BHO gifting an IPOD to the Queen? 2. Do you really believe Mitt is walking out of London with his tail between his legs? Contrary to the sloppy journalism rest assured Romney left England with money,friends,and a long list of prospective people that will quite possibly calling him in a few months.

  297. Alfie: the ipod had footage of the Queen’s state visit. She gave Obama a photo of herself in a silver frame.

  298. Even though I’m from the right of the spectrum I’ll put the NYT on top of VF.
    From VF

    Romney, Netanyahu suggests, may have overstated the tie. “I remember him for sure, but I don’t think we had any particular connections,” he tells me. “I knew him and he knew me, I suppose.”)

    History hints that a friendship of some kind exists. For example in 2011 Romney spent the day at Netanyahu’s house

  299. No–you can’t. I don’t know enough about protocol to offer an informed opinion. What have other presidents or heads of state given the Queen?

  300. And as for NYT vs. Vanity Fair, I don’t know–other than that one appears to be a first hand quote and the other appears to be based on second hand stories. I suppose we see what, if anything, Netanyahu does or says.

  301. Theres a short answer and a long answer. Short is some great stuff and some crap. Examples from Americans: cowboy boots,copies of docs from the National Archives and a box from Tiffanys.
    There are some great examples of much better gifts Obama gave others. To the leader of India he gave a stone from the MLK memorial site for symbolism of the peaceful Ghandi/King linkage. He gave Rudd of Australian a crystal statue that Rudd ponied up cash for so it could become his gift and not the states.
    Don’t get me wrong I don’t envy the guy.

  302. Emily, thanks for the clarification on Bibi and Mitt. I had heard they once worked together and had a rapport. With your current update in mind, I may have to take my Israel prediction off the table. I have no idea what pitfalls if any await Romney in Poland. But then I would never have guessed in a million years he’d screw up England. That to me looked like a slam dunk particularly since their press has been so critical of Obama.

  303. Newt while some may find this hard to believe I genuinely felt sorry for Romney vis-a-vis the England trip.

    Romney is an odd sort …. a winning loser … a successful yet incredibly awkward man. I find him a puzzle.

  304. The Israel trek is the minefield for me.
    infer *’s at any point in this comment as the points are waaaayyyyyy deeper than they appear.

    I was hoping you’d elaborate on this. I also want to know why you’re optimistic about Poland … not that I think you’re wrong. I don’t know enough about US/Poland relations to make a prediction either way.

  305. The conflicting accounts of the Romney/Netanyahu relationship are interesting. I wouldn’t put exaggeration beyond Romney but I also wouldn’t put strategic understatement beyond BiBi.

  306. OK gang …. I’m done for the day. Tomorrow (Sunday) we’re taking my Dad, a life long Cubs fan (he’s 84 years old) to a Cubs game at Wrigley. He’s real excited having never seen them play a home game. In fact he told me the last time he saw them play live was at Ebbets field against the Brooklyn Dodgers. From my wiki research that would put the game at the very latest around 1957 before I was born.

    I’ll probably do some commenting tomorrow night. Sorry Noah … that means your lengthy comment will have to wait.

    P.S. Anybody seen Tex anywhere?

  307. A lot of people mistake acquaintances for friends, I think Mitt is one of those people. I think one thing disturbing about Mitt is his body language, but I can’t put my finger on exactly what it is about his body language that puts me off. Anyone else feel this way? Does he seem unusually stiff?

  308. “You should be my editor. Trouble is the job doesn’t pay well.” – R

    LOL.

    I think you do quite well on your own, R. We just have differing styles. I have tremendous respect for editors, but I could never be one.

  309. “The fact you brought up Bain everytime is hilerious. I know we have differing views of the world. But, you are beholden to a team, not an idea. I’m not like you. I’m free.” – DR

    I brought up Bain once on my own. The other times were in response to your requests for clarification. I’m not beholden to any team. I know it is hard for some here to believe, but I have no personal connection to Obama. He is a politician. I have no great love for politicians. I simply thought he was a better choice than Hillary or McCain. Yes, I have never voted for a Republican for President, but I have voted for one as high as Senator.

    “When is GDP going to save us?” – DR

    When the Job Creators finally start spending their tax cuts on hiring people (in this country). 132 months and counting 🙂

  310. “Total bull shit. 3 degrees my ass. You guys are disgusting appologists. Besides, Corzine and Holder are 1 degree. Also, MF Global is beyond fucked up. Pathetic. And you call yourself liberals! Ha!” – DR

    I have never once defended Corzine or MF Global. But have it your way. Hang ’em now. We’ll hold the trial later to justify it.

  311. “Herding Swedes sounds like herding cattle, doesn’t it Rutherford.” – J

    Still my favorite James story. Of course, my wife is Sicilian, so I have a soft spot for such tales.

  312. “1. I doubt you (and others on the left) were as critical of Obamas many gaffes and fuck ups”. – A

    I hope you are not lumping me in that group. Remember, I started my venture into this issue by asking James (and by extension, you) what gives? To me, it seemed, and still does, to be much ado about nothing.

    BTW, Alfie and James, when the Winter games were in SLC and later Vancouver, both cities I’ve been to many times, I enjoyed seeing locations I had visited shown in buffer cuts and backdrops. Have you guys seen any of your favorite haunts this time around?

  313. I wonder if Romney will say something about Israel’s nuclear weapons (another of the world’s great secrets everybody knows about) while in the Middle East.

  314. I also want to know why you’re optimistic about Poland …
    I did make a comment re asterisk….
    On Poland I find it to be one of the countries that matter and have for some time.
    Poland offers everything Romney needs. Old Europe vs New Europe. Market potential. Someone that knows Russia in that special way.
    What some folks see as Romneys biggest fault,not being a politician as much as a CEO,I find his style and manner to be exactly what we need right now.Strong on Russia is a big deal and no that doesn’t mean war footing,just realistic views.

  315. @ thor I actually don’t like the Olympics and in particular don’t find the summer sports interesting. That said some of the images of the sites were impressive. Turning Horse Guards into beach volleyball set…mmm that was kind of neat.

  316. also @ thor
    I hope you are not lumping me in that group.
    I’m not necessarily lumping or dumping anyone in that group. I’m just saying that group isn’t small whether anyone here is in it or not.
    FWIW I’m pretty quick to point out when the hypocrisy flows right to left too,just this case is what it is.

  317. I think Newt or no newt nailed it on 455. Columnist Mike Royko once wrote that most people we know as friends are aquaiintances or working associates. We are lucky if the number of true friends in our lifetimes matches the numbers on one hand.

    The Obama gifts were entirely in appropriate. The Brits mocked them and also for their ill -fated attempt to win Chicago for the Olympics.

    The Obamas behaved like rubes. it is probably why they weren’t invited to the royal wedding.

    Peirs Morgan said Romney spoke what the British were already saying about the Olympics. You know how it is. I have a right to beat up my little brother, but if you touch him, I will knock your block off.

    The Olympics organization had a problem filling seats at some events. while angry fans asked why they couldn’t buy tickets. Possibly the Olympic Committee sold too many blocks of tickets to coorporations which didn’t fill the seats. Its a small matter, but likely one of the problems Romney might have been referring to.

    As I already noted, most Americans, at least in the Northern Hemisphere are insular, and Europeans know it. In most cases, Obama’s or Romney’s behaving like rubes doesn’t matter. International relationships concern common interests, not friendships.

    Thanks thor. I like the Italians and French, but they are so emotional.

  318. Obama has committed his own blunders in Poland. The New York Times “Polish Premier Denounces Obama for Referring to ‘Polish Death Camp'” was printed on May 20, 2012.

    Poles were also irritated when Obama decided to scale back the Bush administration’s missile defense system in eastern Europe.

    Obama also passed on Lech Walensa for the Medal of Freedom and chose to give it to a leftist labor organizer because Lech was too political.

    I don’t know what Romney will do in Poland, but he can’t be much worse than Obama was.

    No one will do it, but here it is. Flash Mob-Cracow Dance Connection 29.04 2011-KraKow CDC is pretty good. It took them four months to prepare, and they have another YouTube video showing the process. Your loss, not mine.

  319. Newt the other version that reputable sources have printed is that Churchills bust went to the British embassy and that it was not a gift but a loan. In any case it never went back to England.
    Conservatives lie like a rug.
    ” – R

    1) The bust was offered and refused by Obama.

    2) The bust was returned to the British, who put it in their embassy, which is technically British soil.

    3) You insult our intelligence by thinking we’ll buy this bullshit sleight of hand. Romney’s point was that the bust should have never been refused because Churchill was a great leader and ally of the US. We know that Obama’s father – likely Obama – did not like Churchill because of British policy in Kenya. The Obama clan clearly holds a grudge, so it is not surprising to see it.

    4) The Administration lied about the bust. Bust? What bust? It’s right here! Oh, THAT bust… well, we still have this one HERE… Please R, muster some testicular fortitude and recognize that these guys lie like a hemp forest after a heavy frost.

    P.S. Stop acting like you’ve hanging out in a hemp forest fire…

  320. Hey Thor/R…..way to put some fire under the administration’s ass for some of the most unprecedented white collar crime of all time. Millions upon millions of dollars stolen from segregated accounts and it’s nothing but excuses. Top bundler for Obama is 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon. Oops, I forgot, this is about Romney becuase….its blurry now…Hope and Change didn’t count when it comes to blatent conflict of interest. One thing can’t be debated. More then 700 million dollars were stolen and not one set of handcuffs clicked. I’d be in jail for stealing wonder bread until I was arrained Monday morning.

  321. Thor, guess you are right, but he does look like a paper cutout even in still photos and that strikes me as bizarre.

  322. 461, I have also been in Salt Lake City and Vancouver, thor, but London was like a second home. For example, we have driven on the Sat AM bicycle race route many times. You surely know the feeling. A station broadcasts a scene and you know what is just off screen.

    We celebrated one New Years Eve at Trafalger Square, but we didn’t dive into the fountain.

    Its been fun to watch.

    One of my memories of Salt Lake City is from the Tabernacle. A speaker illustrated the good acoustics by dropping a pin from the stage. Our daughter whispered “Do you mean we came all this way just to hear a pin drop?”

  323. Can anyone name an American President or President-Elect that hasn’t committed a gaffe in Europe or the Middle East?

  324. Many of our former Presidents, clear back to Geo Washington, never stepped foot overseas, so they couldn’t have gaffed in Europe or the Middle East. Saved by geography.

  325. Rutherford,

    Here’s some of the floatie part of that man of war.

    The TPP rewrites domestic law to fit international accord with corporate interest. Whether it is environmental or social issues, the TPP allows the end result to be in line with the profitability of the endeavor. All globalist schemes are wrapped up nicely in the TPP agreement. By empowering multi-national corporations, as they have done with the central banking cartels, the global Elite are ensured their one world government comes to fruition.

    http://occupycorporatism.com/trans-pacific-partnership-agenda-21-meets-global-corporate-takeover/

  326. For a white, middle-aged, rich, conservative CEO? Not particularly. 😉

    I must differ with Thor on this one. CEO’s need to engender trust in business partners. If they are too stiff or look shifty it will be hard for them to succeed.

    My theory is that Romney as a businessman comes across much more natural. I agree with some pundits that he really does not like politics. He is a bad politician. A good businessman … a bad politician.

    Interestingly, Obama is not a great politician either.

  327. iPhones take pretty good pictures close up but they suck for distance shots. It’s frustrating as hell …. I can see the damn thing clear as day with my EYE … look at it through the iPhone and the image actually looks further away than it really is. The zoom feature on the phone does nothing with the lens …. it’s a software zoom that just gives fuzzy pictures. 😦

  328. “Thor, I’m not sure where you’re headed with the question but I don’t believe any candidate is expected to pay for his SS detail.” – R

    It seems to me that Obama can’t even take a trip to the can without certain Republican’ts whining that he is wasting taxpayer money, but Romney, in no official capacity, can drag his SS detail across Europe and the Middle East at taxpayer expense and nary a peep. Since he isn’t even working for the people of the US at this point, I would think this would be a complete abomination to the Grovers and Rushs of the world, unless his campaign is underwriting the cost.

  329. For the other night owls on the blog, this site is kind of fun. You just put in your zip code and it tells you when and where certain satellites pass overhead. I use it to track the International Space Station (ISS). The thing is starting to get big enough to be pretty damn bright. Three passes tonight in my neck of the woods.

    http://spaceweather.com/flybys/

  330. #494 and where ever the original is…
    I’ve seen lists like this before and at one time dissected a large chunk of one. I won’t repeat the effort here again. The fact remains that the lists are embellished monstrosities.
    I will touch on one thing though. Obamas historic 2010 Congressional pass rate on roll calls on items the President had a vested position. The 96% rating from CQ is pretty useless unless you know an actual number. I’m scanning the roll call votes for the House later

  331. @ thor I’m not a Grover guy and readily accept the SS details long afforded the POTUS and credible candidates. As for paying bills though there is a case out of California where Romney paid a bill and O not so much. Again though I don’t buy in2 it too much since the SS has pretty standard rules for the locals to follow re cost and ability

  332. Rutherford, as you know, I like hyperbole once and a while, and I suspect you do too as your “conservatives lie.”

    Bill Clinton was impeached because of a sex act.

    The recession is Bush’s fault.

    Obama was telling businessmen that no man is an island when he said “you didn’t build” your business.

    Obamacare will save money, and you will get to keep your doctor.

    shovel ready jobs.

    Racist Tea Parties

    The goodness of OWS.

    Sarah Palin and other right wingers inspired shootings.

    Defining $250,000 incomes as rich and telling us raising their taxes will solve our deficit problem.

    Obama is the main reason bin ladin is dead.

    These are all liberal lies.

    Could someone list some conservative lies for comparison? I have a few if you can’t think of any.

  333. Nice Deb wrote an essay titled “Obama passed on the Bin Laden kill three separate times at Jarrett’s Urging (Updaate: DC Report up now.)

    If it is true and even if untrue the publicity may create some doubt in Obama’s self- created tough guy foreign policy image. This would look especaily bad after some people began to portray Romney as a foreign policy wimp.

  334. That list of Obama accomplishments is akin to my saying he will have a 200 bushel per acre corn crop to a farmer who’s corn field is already dead. It is a joke which falls flat.

  335. Obama was telling businessmen that no man is an island when he said “you didn’t build” your business.

    Sorry James … that’s no lie. You might not like the interpretation. You might not even be able to fathom the interpretation but it’s no lie.

    To believe that Obama was REALLY saying that businessmen have no role in their success is preposterous and you know it.

  336. If it is true and even if untrue the publicity may create some doubt in Obama’s self- created tough guy foreign policy image. This would look especaily bad after some people began to portray Romney as a foreign policy wimp.

    Nice Deb, whom I’ve never found particularly “nice” is a well known Obama-hater.

    Daily Caller is Tucker Carlson’s conservative rag, one step up the rung from The Blaze (Glenn Beck’s web site).

    Most interestingly, it looks like someone is playing games with Tucker’s site because when I visit http://dailycaller.com I get a stern warning that it is a dangerous web site that will steal your personal info. I kid you not. All of you go there and see if you get a similar warning. It does depend on browser settings so your mileage may vary.

    (i.e. therefore I can’t read the original DC article … at least not until they clean up their web site).

  337. Also James .. who has portrayed Romney as a foreign policy wimp? If anything he is viewed as too hawkish, a throwback to Bush cowboy foreign policy. The dude doesn’t even know the cold war is over.

  338. DR, how often do you find yourself in Chicago?

    I have to be honest …. this trip was TOTALLY for my Dad. I have zero interest in baseball … it’s like watching paint dry, especially in a low scoring game. The traffic conditions were abominable with cops blocking certain streets so pedestrians could get to the stadium.

    We were very fortunate that someone tipped my wife to buy a reserved parking spot in advance. The spot we got just happened to be right across the street from the Wrigley entrance that was closest to our seats.

    I’ll say this for Wrigley … they are handicapped accessible. I had my doubts but it went off without a hitch (I used my mobility scooter).

    I don’t know what the hell they put in their hot dogs though. I made it through half of a foot-long and stopped as my stomach started doing flip-flops.

    P.S. OK … it wasn’t totally for my Dad. My wife had never gone to a major league game (I had) and my daughter missed a camp trip to Wrigley a few weeks ago so this was a much wanted make-up for her. Don’t get me wrong … I had a good time, if only for the chance of seeing my Dad revert to a ten year old, enjoying the game (and the win) so much.

  339. Pink slime, Rutherford. It’s a food-like substance. Glad you enjoyed the game.

    I like baseball occasionally. I have watched the world series a few times. We have a nice stadium built for the Diamondbacks. It’s a fun, but expensive experience. My favorite part is watching the people.

  340. BTW, the weather rocked! It was low 80’s but we were in the shade with a lake effect breeze keeping us nice and cool. If I had to write a script for yesterday I couldn’t have done a better job than the way it turned out.

  341. “Pink slime, Rutherford. It’s a food-like substance” and what drove me to Vegetarianism. Course if the price of eggs and dairy get too high, as projected because of the drought, I might go Vegan. Does everyone else have a plan?

  342. “Pink slime — that ammonia-treated meat in a bright Pepto-bismol shade -”

    Yuck, you ate a hot dog! Glad your Dad had a good time though.

  343. more than 40,000 tickets sold to Restoring Love as of Friday afternoon. A number larger than when Sir Paul McCartney played in the same arena in 2009. McCartney sold about 36,000 tickets.

    Say what you will about Beck, but there are more of us than there is of you Leftists. To boot, no one died, so take notes Leftists on how gatherings are done.

  344. Nagic
    That’s like saying fecal sauce is a healthy alternative to gravy. I guess some people don’t worry about the chemicals in their food.

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  346. Raji, do some research on it. I had the same opinion until I dug deeper. Over one woman posting on a blog cost over 1000 jobs and 2 plant closers.

  347. HA! Hussein is calling on tricky dicky Bill to attend the Democrat national convention. Me thinks that is desperation I smell in the air.

  348. Attending baseball is not that expensive. You can bring in food and water at Tiger games. I think there are seats that still go for around 12 bucks.

    Rutherford, I go to Chicago a couple times a year. The round trip bus costs 27 bucks. Going to Wrigley is on my bucket list.

  349. To boot, no one died, so take notes Leftists on how gatherings are done.

    How many died at Woodstock and if any, what did they die of? I’d say Woodstock was populated mostly by “leftists”.

    To use a more relevant example, since Glenn Beck is basically a comedian (he just doesn’t know it), how many died at Jon Stewart’s rally a year or two ago? ZERO.

  350. On a related note, after 23 years the Simpsons has not lost its edge. On the contrary, it’s edgier than ever. Last night’s repeat on Fox had Homer as a Glenn Beck like TV personality, complete with the on air crying. It’s episode 10 of season 23 called “Politically Inept”. Unfortunately the a$$holes at Fox only offer five episodes of the current season and ep 10 is not one of them. 😦

  351. Noah, I’ve received warnings on sites I considered legit before. Hell I accessed DC a week or so ago with no problem.

    Where did you find all that 90 day diagnostic info? Can you provide a link? I’d like to know where to go in the future to verify when I get those warnings for sites I expect to be legit.

    Thanks for the update.

  352. How many died at Woodstock and if any, what did they die of? I’d say Woodstock was populated mostly by “leftists”.

    IF I was to take this example at face value, your pride is on an event over 30 years ago?

  353. Hussein is calling on tricky dicky Bill to attend the Democrat national convention. Me thinks that is desperation I smell in the air.

    First of all King Hussein of Jordan died ages ago. Assuming you’re referring to your President, I don’t see what is desperate about this. While true that Obama and Clinton are not best of friends, having Clinton speak at the Democratic convention is as much of a no-brainer as having Chris Christie speak at the Republican convention.

    That being said, the Dem convention will be a yawn fest. I’m looking forward to the GOP one. There’ll be so much red meat thrown at the audience, I’d tell Rabbit to place big money on beef futures. 🙂

  354. “@ thor I’m not a Grover guy and readily accept the SS details long afforded the POTUS and credible candidates.” – A

    Me too. I just thought you would know the answer. The Grover comment was in response to R wondering about my motivation. It was aimed more at G and ET. Their silence is making me a bit jumpy. I expect a couple megaton payload to be dropped any minute. 😉

  355. Didn’t a teen ager get run over by a tractor at Woodstock? I think there might have been a birth too. Too lazy to confirm. I’ll tell you one thing, if you remember Woodstock, you were not there maaaaasaaan.

  356. Rabbit, maybe it’s because I needed accessible seating but the cheapest seats I could find were $47.00.Apparently their cheapest seats go for $19.00 but I’m guessing the view sucks.

    BTW the East coast bias of Morning Joe kinda pissed me off this morning. When they covered sports they discussed two ballgames, one was the Red Sox the other the Washington Nationals. At least one of those games was no more exciting than the Cubs game. Maybe it had to do more with current ranking of the teams vs geography.

    One interesting thing about Wrigley … there were a couple of buildings adjacent to the stadium whose owners build stands on the roof and charge folks to sit up there and watch the game. If I’d taken my Twitter photo just a bit more to the left, you would’ve seen them.

  357. I did hear on the news, that ranchers will be reducing their herds at some point in the future, because of the lack of winter feed, when that happens the cost of beef will be very reasonable for awhile. So if you time it just right, it would be a good idea to fill your freezer. Course if everyone has the same idea, the price might actually stabilize or even rise. After that window has come and gone, expect to pay a lot more for animal protein.

  358. “I have zero interest in baseball … it’s like watching paint dry, especially in a low scoring game.” – R

    I love (loved) playing baseball but can’t stand watching it. Having said that, I do dabble in pennant runs and post season, and in those games I would much rather see a low scoring game. To me, a 1-1 tie in the 11th with a speed burner on third and possible squeeze is far superior to three walks and then a yacker over the plate that a journeyman drops over a short left field fence.

  359. As an IBS sufferer I should be especially ashamed to admit this but I love and have always loved hot dogs. I can no longer beat or even meet my old summer camp record of three dogs in one sitting.

    But I admit, even ignoring the contents, public hot dogs are a real crapshoot taste wise. I think the Wrigley dogs were spiced somehow. Definitely not the Hebrew National or Ballpark Frank taste.

  360. IF I was to take this example at face value, your pride is on an event over 30 years ago?

    Well if you can go back 50 years to suggest Obama wasn’t born in America, I think I can go back 30 years for my arguments.

    Besides, you ignored the second half of the comment. The Jon Stewart rally was only within the past two years or so.

  361. LOL yeah Rabbit there was at least one birth at Woodstock and no doubt many inseminations. And no, I wasn’t there … too young … about 7 years old at the time. Then again, if I had hippie parents they might have taken me.

    I’m shocked that Noah didn’t counter my Woodstock citation with Altamont. Shows the dude ain’t up on his pop culture history. 🙂 .

  362. I honestly can’t think of a better form of escapism then going to a baseball game. I love going solo. I had season tickets (one third of the home games) for many years. You learn the tricks and the secrets when you have season tix. Each game has a unique flow. I’m always impressed with the little things. Throwing and running at the MLB level blows me away. Unfortunately my boy is so allergic to peanuts I can’t take him to a game.

  363. “If it is true and even if untrue the publicity may create some doubt in Obama’s self- created tough guy foreign policy image. This would look especaily bad after some people began to portray Romney as a foreign policy wimp.” – J

    James, I think this is a skirmish that, win or lose, only helps your opposition. People that are truly angered at Obama’s credit taking probably aren’t voting for him anyway, but any day that swing voters are reminded OBL is dead and not that the economy is stalling is a good day for team Obama.

  364. To me, a 1-1 tie in the 11th with a speed burner on third and possible squeeze is far superior to three walks and then a yacker over the plate that a journeyman drops over a short left field fence.

    Thor most of that was Greek to me. In fact I was so proud of myself yesterday that I knew what a sacrifice fly was (although I erroneously called it a sacrifice hit).

    The low score didn’t bother my Dad one bit. The Cubs scored two runs in the first two innings (if I remember correctly). The Cardinals then scored their two runs somewhere toward the middle of the game (maybe fifth or sixth inning). So it was 2-2 going into the bottom of the ninth. When it went into extra innings I was afraid we’d be there all evening but in the bottom of the tenth the Cubs Anthony Rizzo hit a home run with someone already on base and the crowd roared!!!

    Then they sang the Cubs song. LOL you gotta love the silliness of it all.

  365. Is it just me or have peanut allergies skyrocketed in recent years? Maybe I just have a lousy memory but when I was a kid, no one was allergic to peanuts and peanut butter sandwiches were de rigueur in elementary school.

  366. “Thor, did I really need to see that picture of Romney while eating breakfast?” – R

    You mean American Borat? Nothing says “pass the Fruit Loops” like a severe conservative in a lime-green man thong. But I made you forget about the hot dog, right? 😉

  367. Sacrifice hit? “Afraid” of extra innings? OMG, did they score any touchdowns? 🙂

    Seriously though, a walk-off dinger is pretty cool. Glad your little girl and dad got to see it.

  368. Peanut allergies, diabetes and organ diseases are up since our processed foods have been the staple of life in the modern world.

    I think it by design.

    No real research supports the benefit of these ingredients to our health. No matter how smart we look, we still can’t beat the natural. We can, however, MANipulate™ the playing field.

  369. “HA! Hussein is calling on tricky dicky Bill to attend the Democrat national convention. Me thinks that is desperation I smell in the air.” – Nagic

    Perhaps it’s to highlight that Bush will be absent from the Republican convention.

    “The move gives the Obama campaign an opportunity to take advantage of the former president’s immense popularity and remind voters that a Democrat was in the White House the last time the American economy was thriving. George W. Bush, the last Republican to hold the White House, remains politically toxic in some circles. While Bush has endorsed Romney, he is not involved in his campaign and has said he does not plan to attend the GOP convention.”

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505245_162-57482078/key-role-for-bill-clinton-at-democratic-convention/

  370. 505, yes, Rutherford, it was a lie. I earlier showed with context how it reflects Obama’s thinking. Otherwise, there was no real point to Obama’s saying in effect that no man is an island. Most of us already know it.

    Newt or no newt, we are preparing for higher food prices by freezing garden produce and buying Kraft Dinner, and other items with a long self life. We helped some friends move stuff from one house to another, and they gave us part of a side of beef in gratitude.

    You are correct about the price of meat. Farmers and ranchers have already begun to sell livestock as food runs out. Another wave of selling will soon start in parts of the Nebraska Sandhills and panhandle where fires have destroyed a lot of grass and hay. The futures market shows beef and pork prices in decline for now, but as you wrote, they will rise.

    There is nothing wrong with red slime, that a change in name wouldn’ fix.

  371. I thought according to Obama the Clintons were racist.

    I’d love to see Slick Willy throw Obama under the bus like he has a tendency to do in his passive-aggressive way.

    I still think calling in Clinton for help makes Obama appear weak, which of course he really is.

  372. Two reasons why I like liberals.

    I was banished from a liberal message board six years ago because liberals wanted to get rid of all non- liberals.

    14 of them created an new site, just for me and they all threatened to leave the original if I wasn’t reinstated. I was.

    I have made no secret that our computer is doing poorly, and we are trying to hold on until Windows 8.

    An e friend who voted for Obama just offered to give me her old laptop computer.

    As I wrote, I like liberals. Most of the H/M variety are something different from liberals, so they don’t count.

  373. “Could someone list some conservative lies for comparison? I have a few if you can’t think of any.”

    Sorry James, but I see some contained right within this comment.

    “Defining $250,000 incomes as rich and telling us raising their taxes will solve our deficit problem.”

    He never said it would “solve” the problem, has always said it was just part of the equation. And, BTW, if you make $250,000, your taxes won’t go up. If you make over $250,000, then your taxes will go up about 3.5% on the amount above that mark.

    “Obamacare will save money, and you will get to keep your doctor.”

    I’ve saved money and kept my doctor.

    “The recession is Bush’s fault.”

    It started under Bush and ended under Obama. You do the math.

    And here are some more you didn’t mention.

    Obama is not American.

    Obama raised taxes.

    Reagan didn’t raise taxes.

    Romney created 100,000 jobs at Bain.

    S and P retracted statement that Republican brinksmanship was a factor in the downgrade.

    CRA caused the financial crisis.

    Saving GM was Romney’s idea.

    SS is insolvent.

    USPS is a failed agency that drains taxpayer money.

    Ryan’s budget balances.

    WMD’s.

    Tax cuts for the very rich help the economy.

    Keystone and other Obama policies have made the price of oil go up.

    The richest nation on Earth is broke.

    Obamacare is unconstitutional.

    Money is speech.

    “Heckuva job Brownie!”

    And my favorite … “Corporations are people my friend!”

  374. Well if you can go back 50 years to suggest Obama wasn’t born in America, I think I can go back 30 years for my arguments.

    He is President TODAY…Derp!

  375. “Kraft dinner,” does that even contain real cheese? I am with poolman on this, real food is 100% better for us, but I don’t think the major food companies formed conspiracy to poison us. They just found a way to put out an acceptable cheap alternative and they make a lot of money from these products. Put me down as supporting authentic home cooking!

  376. “Rutherford, I go to Chicago a couple times a year. The round trip bus costs 27 bucks. Going to Wrigley is on my bucket list.” – DR

    I think I’d rather eat a hotdog than sit on a bus next to a white-fish fartin’ Polish dude for an hour, who keeps showing me his “Fuck Obama” ink and shouting “Sox Suck!” 🙂

    Seriously, I hope you guys have a man-date. It might be very “enlightening” for the rest of us. Could make for an interesting blog entry too. The header picture alone would be worth it – R sitting in front of Wrigley in his scooter, flush with “Yes We Can” bumperstickers, holding up a sign like a limo driver at the airport … “Manny!” 😉

  377. He never said it would “solve” the problem, has always said it was just part of the equation. And, BTW, if you make $250,000, your taxes won’t go up. If you make over $250,000, then your taxes will go up about 3.5% on the amount above that mark.

    Ironic how capital gains and dividends are never mentioned by the Thor crowd. Anyone that holds an equity or bond investment is affected. Inheritance tax is another. And interesting how the 2.3% tax on all medical devices is never mentioned by the Thor crowd…that’s another hidden tax- one of many.

    And all of it based on a lie – that is, all things after the tax increase will remain equal. We all know better.

    Lies by Omission are the very reason I have zero respect for Thor, find him willingly dishonest, a propaganda piece, and somebody definitely not to be trusted. Ideology before principle and a counterfeit Christian. Puke…doesn’t get worse than that in my book. A liar and a hypocrite – just like Obama.

    Sorry Thor. But you are a reprehensible excuse – your slap happy attempts at humor notwithstanding. 😐

  378. but I don’t think the major food companies formed conspiracy to poison us.

    Nah, of course not. It’s all a result of the free market we are so proud of. None of these people want to MANipulate™ society. They are all benign contributors. Gaining control of all the sources is just for grins. Heck, it’s done wonders for fair elections and propaganda news sources.

    http://my.firedoglake.com/daveparts/2012/07/23/the-free-market/

  379. Tex, great that you come back business as usual but where the heck have you been? Quite frankly after all that heart talk last week, your sudden absence for a couple of days gave me a scare.

  380. Getting back to nuts for a bit (and I’m not referring to Republicans) … I figured maybe the increased use of pesticides might be the cause of this uptick in nut allergies but if that were the case, wouldn’t we all be effected by it?

    Very odd.

  381. Noah … simple answer to 427 … we cannot stabilize our economy via cuts alone. It must be a combination of cutting programs we don’t need and raising some revenue to preserve those that we do plus pay off debt.

    Now to your novel at 437 — and I’ll use your shorthand of brackets to denote your words … saves me the html tags. Thanks.

    [Good luck, but us non Socialists/Leftists can be defined as when preparation meets with opportunity. Not when government programs meet with outstretched hand.]

    If the whole comment is this snarky I might as well not waste my time. “those who worked hard for it and could take advantage of good luck” says what you just said Noah. Opportunity is basically good luck. Hard work includes preparation. So we agree with some minor semantic adjustments.

    [Help or be an eternal crutch? bla bla bla]

    I don’t think you have the slightest idea of how I feel about welfare. I don’t believe I’ve discussed it in threads since you joined here. I favor workfare, not welfare. But workfare involves helping the person find a job. I don’t see the point of a job training program that simply dumps you out in the street when it’s finished. Training combined with placement programs would do a world of good.

    Catastrophic care for those who really cannot hold a job (due to mental or severe physical disability) seems appropriate to me. Providing these people with enough to survive is part of the social contract. By the way, Mr. Snarkfest, I did not take a class on welfare. In fact the sociology class did not discuss welfare at all.

    [Really, so you accept Conservatives and others who don’t think as you do? You treat them as you do your own, fairly and honestly? Really?]

    So long as they don’t act like a$$holes, absolutely. I’m open to a vote. If James, PF, Alfie, Gorilla or Rabbit think I treat them with disrespect I’d like to hear it. I’m probably more antagonistic toward El Tigre than I need to be. There’s something about BiW’s self assuredness that makes me wanna slap him every now and then. And Tex …. well come on … that’s just fighting fire with fire and most of the time I’m a match while Tex is a blowtorch. I’ve also been blessed that Muffy and Raji (the latter of whom I consider semi-conservative) never bring out the nasty in me.

    [Really, seems your social programs and massive debt generation are having a massive impact on my life. Messiah care imposes your choice upon me. Your Messiah’s security act can impose the governments choices upon me. Punitive taxation can impose a whole host of negative things on my life.]

    None of the things you mention are personal choices. I said, “We recognize the variety of personal choices members of the social contract can make and we recognize that so long as those choices do not negatively impact others, then those choices must be respected.” That makes no reference to governmental choices. I was particularly thinking of choices in the bedroom.

    [Seems to me your Messiah has made a lot of decisions in his time in office based on race. Seems to me his latest executive order violates this tenet in spades.]

    First, he’s not my Messiah. Second, Obama has avoided race like the plague through most of his term. He is only now pandering for the black vote with the election coming. That is what that executive order involves. Third, careful measures taken to equal the playing field must ipso facto involve race. You can’t fight racism without involving race.

    Now maybe I can find a chunk of time to dissect the famous “Gorilla point by point”.

  382. “If we can ask that young man [who lost both of his legs in Afghanistan defending his country] to do that, we can darn well ask the Koch brothers to put up with some impolite blogging.” — RI Senator Sheldon Whitehouse.

  383. “Corporations are people my friend!”

    Man, you should stick to writing. Your ignorance of math, finance, economics, corporate legality, even science is practically non existent.

    If corporations aren’t made up of people, exactly what are they then? Are we paying dividends to inanimate objects? Who is receiving a paycheck? A potted plant?

    Ever heard of shareholders and employees? How about corporate personhood? Law has recognized corporations as having the same rights as natural persons to contract and to enforce contracts.

    Romney is exactly write and dumb fucks like you and the media can’t find your buttcheeks with two hands.

    This is a perfect example of why this country is in trouble. There are simply too many stupid,illiterate, uneducated people in this country, or like we see here all too often, over educated academicians with no real talent that are helpless, and 95% of them are pulling the lever for an abject fraud like Obama, who is also hopelessly helpless.

    If they can’t take care of themselves, how are we to assume they have anything to offer that’s positive to the well being of the country? They’re a damn 2-ton weight around our necks.

    I mean stupid – not ignorance. Unteachable. Worse, they think they are really, really smart and know how to manage your life better than you do. That’s the most galling part of all.

    I’m telling you. Secession is the only way to fly before the entire country folds like a tent. I’m in Texas this week and realized how absolutely beautifully that state is run, even with the mooching lib ilk in the metro. And the reason it is run so beautifully, is weak government and a huge emphasis on liberty – individual pride and love of state does wonders.

  384. Noah … simple answer to 427 … we cannot stabilize our economy via cuts alone. It must be a combination of cutting programs we don’t need and raising some revenue to preserve those that we do plus pay off debt.

    Could you show me cuts your Messiah has made and then show me cuts he is planning on making? Then tell me, do you think your Messiah will make more cuts than he will additional spending? I personally think based on his track record alone that his spending increases will be far greater than his cuts. If this is the case how are we supposed to endure all the additional debt another 4 years of Hussein will bring us?

    reading next part…

  385. Now onto G’s Whittle treatise from a couple of threads ago: (I will again use Noah’s brackets shorthand for quoting … nice to see Noah has contributed SOMETHING to the blog. 🙂 )

    Regarding GITMO:
    [No, he could have moved them elsewhere. Likewise, he could have expedited the military tribunals and brought an end to this holding. This was simply a case of Obama making a claim and not thinking it through, and mind you, this was with a Democrat House and Senate.]

    Elsewhere where? What other nation would take them? How many states had a NIMBY approach to it? And it wasn’t funded. Period. You don’t even deny that. It’s very possible Obama didn’t think it through. I won’t deny that. That’s not the point.

    Regarding ability to arrest and hold indefinitely:
    [Tempest in a teapot? Your intellectual integrity is collapsing again.]

    Sorry I’m not gonna go back through the blog to find the exact quotes but more than one person on this blog (and I’m pretty sure Gorilla and Tigre were among them) said that the histrionics over the NDAA were over the top and that the language in the appropriations act did not allow the police state that everyone feared.

    Regarding Obama’s support of Iranian protesters:
    [R, can you explain the difference between why Obama supported the Egyptian protests but not the Iranian protests? Do you think the interests of the United States are better served by a change in regime in Egypt or Iran? Who’s the joke now?]

    You dodged my comment nicely G. Again, rhetorical support (that requested by Whittle) would have amounted to squat in toppling the Iranian regime. This is proven by the fact that Obama DID speak out.

    Regarding Obama spending millions to keep his records sealed, unfortunately your link to World Net Daily (guffaw 😆 😆 :lol:) did not work. You should be ashamed of yourself. The National Enquirer would have been a better source.

    [And besides, its not like Obama has lied about past associations with radical or extremist groups or persons.]

    What lies? You also seem to have a real problem with our criminal justice system. A criminal is someone who is currently committing a crime, not someone who has paid for his crimes. Tell me what about Obama’s relationship with Rezco was illegal. He got a sweet deal on his home from Rezco? So what? The same goes for Bill Ayers. No matter how vile you may have found his behavior 40 years ago, the man paid his debt to society.

    [Really? Have you done ANY research on the New Party? Are you that willing to delude yourself for, what exactly? Your life now is worse than what it was BEFORE Obama took office. Fact. It has not improved because of any single thing Obama has done for you. In fact, it has gotten harder and worse BECAUSE of things Obama has done TO you. That is not going to improve. You’ll gladly cut off your nose to spite your face because of… skin color? Ideology? Party?]

    First an apology, I neglected to link my quote which came from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Party_%28United_States%29. So yes, I did some preliminary research. I understand Wiki is not authoritative but it’s a good start and one would think if the New Party was socialist, that would appear in a basic article on the matter.

    Given the chance to prove your point, you punked out and started lecturing me about my life. How bout a link from you proving that the New Party was socialist as Whittle claimed it was? How bout a link from you proving Obama was a member of the party? Being endorsed is not the same as being a member and you know it.

    I’m not going to rebut Whittle point by point because I find him nauseating. I’ve put a few of his points in enough doubt to ruin his credibility.

    I’ve rebutted YOUR comments so I’m satisfied.

    Oh and a friendly shoutout to Noah. 🙂

  386. Opportunity is basically good luck. Hard work includes preparation.

    I am sorry this is just not been my experience. My preparation for possible future events was what made my success possible. Being ready for what was not there is not something most folks do, so I can see how you would misconstrue it as “luck”

    None of the things you mention are personal choices. I said, “We recognize the variety of personal choices members of the social contract can make and we recognize that so long as those choices do not negatively impact others, then those choices must be respected.”

    That is kind of my point, my personal choice was TAKEN from me. Do as I am told by my government, or pay a fine. Do as I am told by my government and buy what they tell me to buy, or go to jail. That IS the point.

    First, he’s not my Messiah. Second, Obama has avoided race like the plague through most of his term.

    Could you give me the color of the people he has given Presidential pardons too? Last excec order still stands, election or not.

    Do you deny that welfare has created generational poverty????

    Do you know how much poverty has risen since these social programs were introduced????

    BTW I am for taking care of those who genuinely cannot care for themselves. We are a rich enough society to take on that burden. However, we are getting people on the books who could work. When we have months that more people apply for disability than do for jobs, wouldn’t you agree we have a problem? Maybe even an unsustainable problem?

    And just for the sake of curiosity, are you not bothered by the disproportionate unemployment rate for your fellow black man? I am surprised considering the black man’s plight you are not more eager to talk about it?

  387. I’ll address Nagic directly this evening. OK, so you have on dozens of occasions referred to the President as “your Messiah.” Why? Seriously? As far as I can tell, Rutherford disapproves of a lot of his actions. And yet you constantly implicitly accuse the person with whom you equally constantly claim to want a genuine dialog of lacking critical thinking. So why do you even pretend that you want a discussion? Why not just come on here and truthfully say “I am here again to show off and insult others.” Seriously–what do you get out of what you are doing? Other posters may disagree vigorously (or, in the case of my crush Tex, something beyond vigorously) but they do manage to actually exchange ideas in what may be a quirky but is, I think, at bottom an affectionate way.

  388. Oh–I expect that the response will be some sort of crowing about how you “get” to me. Hardly. I just don’t see too many people so relentlessly jackass-ish on the internet. So, with that out of the way, will you answer the question of why you do it and what you believe you accomplish? You certainly feel free demanding answers to your inquiries.

  389. Newt or no newt , I don’t care if Kraft Dinner contains sand. It is delicious with salmon from a can. It is often my lunch when my wife is gone.

    I like authentic home cooking too. We raise our own sweet corn, most of our beans in good years many peas, carrots, and beets.

    We also have other vegetables. We have three apple trees, two pear trees and two cherry trees as well as a raspberry patch which yields about a gallon of raspberries. each season. Our garden also has a few strawberries.

    One of my wife’s teaching collegues sells us free range chickens when they are available.

    But little beats Kraft Dinner and salmon unless it is Kraft Dinner and hash with pickles.

  390. Thanks for the list, thor. I agree with some of them. Others from the liberal viewpoint defy the laws of economics. Tex also poked holes in some of the lies you repeated.

    I don’t think “heck of a job, Brownie” was a lie. It was incompetence. I believe that because of my adventures with Homeland Security before the hurricane. Newt or no newt also made a supporting comment.

    Obamacare has not all been implemented. Answer me in ten or twenty years. Neither side is right about the outcome yet. There hasn’t been time.

  391. I don’t know the specifics per day and I’m having trouble figuring out the cost to shadow Javelin I can tell you if you care that the US Secret Service is budgeted for $113 MILLION dollars for the 2012 Presidential campaign protection service.

  392. Do you deny that welfare has created generational poverty????
    Do you know how much poverty has risen since these social programs were introduced????

    I couldn’t resist upon seeing this.
    The first part is semi-loaded in that it isn’t asking the full and fair question. The dynamics of welfare,dependency and its failure to address the ills that feed what is seen amongst America’s underclass is a deeper thing than the query even attempts to address.
    For the second part “poverty” as defined by a number of recognized measures actually declined post the introduction of the “Great Society”. It has only recently experienced an upward spike (understandably methinks) but is nowhere near the past.
    Where some schools differ and rightly bicker is in the area of general economy causes for the decrease as opposed to social safety nets.

  393. I would bother with a comprehensive question if it was not common practice to pick the questions apart, choosing one word to disqualify the entire question. Experience has taught me, unfortunately, that I have to be concise to avoid such occurrences…that said…

    obviously you are right, the subject is much deeper than that. Point being we have become an entitlement society. In the early 80’s we had some 35ish government type welfare programs. We now have something like 135, or was it 185…I forget, but its a lot. We have had several months where more people have applied for disability than for jobs. Add Obamacare and its costs, add failing infrastructures, add the post office going broke (on purpose by the government), China failing, Europe falling apart, and we have the perfect storm for a global economic collapse.

    Can I get a show of hands who think Obama will spend less in his second term than his first? Anyone think he will cut spending or introduce even more spending programs? Writings on the wall as far as I am concerned.

  394. @ Rutherford #562. Two things
    First and foremost CATO is actually in a battle for its life trying to fend off a Koch takeover. It is a thing more than a few folks should care about.
    Second,is a flip side kind of thing. Sheldon is a silver spoon spoiled pussy of a human being. He sure the fuck can’t find Pawtucket or parts of Providence on his own accord. Anyway his bid failed and rightly so. Like it or not groups can and do raise money. Your side has them too. They’re called unions.

  395. @ nagic #576 thread dialog can be tricky when compared to a face to face. That being said though there needs to be some give and take when it comes to what different people can see in a comment. my response is an example.
    Your followup offers more nuggets. Yes we have created an entitlement culture. A good question which is often asked is “What do we do about it”? To that I will say I agree that a second term Obama is more likely than not to get his inner Keynesian on and that would indeed be a FAIL especially given his past efforts at it.

  396. “But little beats Kraft Dinner and salmon unless it is Kraft Dinner and hash with pickles.” – J

    If you have something against your taste buds, why don’t you just mix in some lutefisk? 🙂

  397. “Tex also poked holes in some of the lies you repeated.” – J

    You know I don’t read his stuff anymore, but I have a feeling you softened this a bit for me. 😉

  398. Obama second term, not having to worry about being reelected, a massive push even further left than we have ever seen him go. We would not endure.

    Thor, lets all assume we know you don’t read Tex’s stuff anymore, that will save you having to tell us multiple times each week that you don’t read his stuff anymore kthxbye.

  399. When Obama bashed Bush over Gitmo it hurt our standing overseas. It bordered on gross negligence when Obama came out swinging day 1, saying he is going to close Gitmo with no plan. And then, even more nausating, he had rubes like you R, lecturing us how unAmerican we are for not allowing Al Queda to lawyer up with full American rights. So here we are 4 years later and you are making the same arguments we made for Gitmo to remain open. And you do it without one bit of irony. Politics Shmolitics. You are an ass clown. For anyone interested, peruse the blog for Rutherford’s writings on Gitmo. Be sure to read the comment section. Ffffffffffffffffffffruad!

  400. …. Gitmo didn’t have such a stain on it. It’s kinda like Germans saying we’ve turned Auschwitz into a prison and by the way, it’s called … Auschwitz. Just doesn’t work.Furthermore, why do we need to imprison these folks at a remote military base? What’s wrong with Rikers and Sing-Sing?I ???” RUTHERFORD LAWSON COMPARING GITMO TO AUSCHWITZ 2009

  401. RUTHERFORD LAWSON WALKING IT LIKE HE TALKS IT 2009

    There is satisfaction and dare I say justice in watching conservatives squirm right now. What they have claimed was perfectly legal treatment of detainees suddenly has them worried about how legal it will appear in a real court. Richard Nixon once told David Frost (I paraphrase here) that nothing the President does can be illegal. That was the arrogance that informed the Bush administration. Over the next couple of years of prosecutions, we liberals will show the world how our criminal justice system is supposed to work and in so doing, we will atone for the sins of the past eight years.We will walk it like conservatives talk it. That is poetic justice indeed!

  402. In one of the comments Rutherford made back when he would lecture us how we don’t understand the importance of justice if we claim Gitmo is necessary, Rutherford half jokingly offers a deal. Gitmo stays open if Cheney gets tried for war crimes because of the water poured on KSM’s face. I guess war crime jokes are off the table now, uh R? Assasinations in cold blood, even an American citizen! Cheney looks like pretty small time now, doesn’t he R?

  403. I’m not going to Chicago unless Rutherford drinks at least one pint.

    LOL Rabbit is hitting all the wrong notes. Baseball bores me and I hate beer. If I had to imagine what piss tastes like, it would be beer.

    By the way, I phrased that last sentence very carefully based on a conversation I had with daughter just a couple of days ago. I told her beer tasted like pee and she responded “you drank pee?” 🙂

  404. We would not endure.

    Oh yes Noah, I can see the history books now in the year 2035:

    The United States struggled under the strangle hold of the socialist Obama in his second term and by the end of 2016, the nation was torn asunder. It could not endure!

    The drama queen strikes again.

    You never did answer my question …. have you ever done any theater?

  405. Be sure to read the comment section.

    DR you got that right. I don’t think I ever devoted a single article to it which shows you just how much I really gave a damn about it.

  406. RUTHERFORD LAWSON COMPARING GITMO TO AUSCHWITZ 2009

    C’mon Rabbit you’re better than that. The comparison strictly had to do with public relations abroad and my claim that Gitmo had a taint to it that defied the fact that it was a prison. I never claimed it was a concentration camp, and you know it. That comment also related to what I maintain to this day … that many of these folks are criminals, not prisoners of war. AND that the war on terror is a farce. You can’t fight a war against a concept.

  407. RUTHERFORD LAWSON WALKING IT LIKE HE TALKS IT 2009

    Thanks DR ,,,, you’re picking out my greatest hits. I thought that one was particularly eloquent. Damn, I think I’ve lost my touch over the years. 🙂

  408. Emily, Noah/Nagic does take a lot of the fun of blogging doesn’t he? Well thanks for going to bat for me.

    P.S. Yes Noah I know … this isn’t supposed to be fun … it’s life and death we’re debating here!!! What we say here could shape generations to come!

  409. Ha. I’ll say it’s a false equivalency. That’s my point. An assassination hit list, carried out ruthlessly and intimately by Obama himself certainly isn’t in the waterboarding ball park. Of course, we’re told your “not tickled”. Cheney deserves to be tried for crimes against humanity and your only not tickeled about what Obama does to “criminals”. You’re a huge fraud, dude. And it’s all here for everybody to see.

  410. “Thor, lets all assume we know you don’t read Tex’s stuff anymore, that will save you having to tell us multiple times each week that you don’t read his stuff anymore kthxbye.” – Nagic

    Wow.

    James quite often explains that he is having computer problems. How do I know what he has seen and what he has missed? But if it offends you that much, I’ll never say it again. I’m surprised, though, that you would have that big of a problem with a comment like that. I mean, it didn’t even have any numbers in it. 😉

  411. DR quoting R at 585: “we liberals will show the world how our criminal justice system is supposed to work and in so doing, we will atone for the sins of the past eight years.We will walk it like conservatives talk it. That is poetic justice indeed!”

    Puke. That sounds like a teenage girl writing in her diary.

    You Go Girl! They won’t know what him ’em with all your liberal atonement . 😆

  412. Nice Deb quoted Obama’s comments to The Chicago Reader in December, 1995. “But individual dreams are not sufficient. We must unite in collective action, build collective institutions and organizations.”

    Obama helped organize Farrakhan’s Million Man March. He said it didn’t offer the types of collectivist solutions he believed were needed to change society.

    Via Gateway Pundit, a Huffington writer wrote “Listening to Obama, I’m actually reminded of the writings of other mid twentieth century Frankfort school Marxist philosophers, particularly the work of Ernst Bloch and Theodore Adorrio. In fact, Obama’s entire political ideology is thematiczed in the title of one of Bloch’s most propfound volumes, “The Principle of Hope.”

    Stanly Kurtz’s book “Spreading the Wealth” will be published soon. Kurtz supposedly maintains that one of Obama’s most important influences was communist Frank Marshal Davis who was like a father to Obama. He helped Obama’s current ideology.

    If our computer was working better, I could present pages to support my contention that Obama was telling the truth as he saw it when he said “you didn’t build your business” The first administration is merely a warm-up if Obama gets a second.

  413. A report implicates five DOJ officials for botching Fast and Furious. The Obama adimistration wants to save them. That in itself is reason to vote against Obama.

    I do wish Romney would give more reasons to vote FOR him rather than saying he is not Obama.

  414. You boys and girls have been busy! Saturday ended the conference in Anaheim (I am now an expert in Steampunk Romance writing!) and the entire afternoon driving back to San Diego from Anaheim. Jesus, if anyone wants to live in SoCal, just talk to me. Eight lanes on most of Interstate 5 and traffic jams at least half of the 90-mile drive – on a Saturday. I couldn’t imagine a workday…I stopped by Torrey Pines park to watch the hang gliding, but nobody flying.

    Spent all of Sunday flying back to RDU. I never cease to be amazed by just how big this country is and how vast the Rockies – and how beautiful. Interestingly, somewhere around ?Kansas? there is a set of huge windmills – probably close to 50 scattered over about 20 square miles or so. You can see them quite well from 40,000 feet – not a damned one spinning – what a waste. One nuclear power plant would replace them all – and work 24/7, 365 days a year. We need to understand, I think, that most of the greenies are just socialists with a pleasing tee shirt.

    R – re: ” The United States struggled under the strangle hold of the socialist Obama in his second term and by the end of 2016, the nation was torn asunder. It could not endure!”

    I don’t think anything will be violently torn asunder; ours is a very robust system, but its very fabric IS being torn, one thread at a time, by the socialists, and must fail, like all socialist experiments. This threat is not a new one; take a look at “The Law” by Bastiat – the collectivists threatened the world even back in 1850.

    Yes, this nation will eventually fail – just like all others – but quoting my Boy T.S., it will end – not with a bang, but with a whimper. So very, very sad…

  415. Here’s one of the more egregious lies parroted by lying sacks like Thor with Rutherford lapping it up because he’s waiting his cue of what to say and how to respond. 😈

    Remember that bullshit about GM being a dramatic Hussein success story, and I noted the mofos still owe the American public $35,000,000,000? Of course, that was conveniently skipped by Thor and his puppet Rutherford.

    Well, Thor can blow right on by this one as he peruses the posts, because it is beginning to appear that GM is in some serious trouble…cracks are beginning to show.

    Buwahahaha. It would be height of irony if GM, after ripping off the shareholders, the bondholders, and especially the American taxpayer folded tent along with the lying mulatto as Pres.

    Sweet justice.

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/30/mayhem-at-gm/

  416. One of my favorite parts of the Olympics, so far is Ruta Meilutyte’s winning a gold medal for Lithuania. She and her father came to England so she could get better training. She attends school in Plymouth.

    She is only fifteen and very focused. The Telegraph wrote that the Brits are happy by proxy since their aquatic teams have not been as successful as anticipated.

    I like TS Eliot. I wish we would go out like Beetoven, I think. He died shaking his fist.

  417. Tex, given the ham-handed way Obama handled the GM “bailout,” is this really any wonder? Can anyone think of a private creditor that looking to step in to this? The chickens are coming home to roost.

    Thor, got a different spin? You were touting the big success weeks ago.

  418. Tigre,

    I got to thinking about why it is I dislike Thor more than the other feckless leftists here, and it occurred to me that he’s like this dupe I used to work with who masked his massive insecurities with consistent flippancy. Likable for about ten minutes, but the more you were around him, the more you grew to loathe him. Like Thor. 😀

    One day I got tired of exchanging “pleasantries” with this phony prick and in a flag football game, had the opportunity to blindside his ass with a perfectly legal block – him running full steam after the quarterback trying to grab a flag – me running full steam at a 45 degree angle and apparently out of the mouth’s peripheral vision.

    I hit his chest with my right shoulder and he never saw it coming. Busted his ass straight to the ground as he bounced once and his head ricocheted off the ground. I was hoping I’d smashed a few ribs or cracked his skull for full effect, but unfortunately after rolling around on the ground for a few minutes with tears streaming down his cheeks, guess he just had the breath knocked out of him. He never entered the game again, so I didn’t have a chance to finish him off.

    Every time thereafter, when he mouthed a smart response, I would just gasp, wheeze, turn my hand horizontal, and then chuckle. Sometimes I would add a Kaboom for full effect and act like it was almost orgasmic. Wiped the shit eating grin right from his face when I did it too.

    A collision never felt so good as that one. A shame we can’t play a little tackle football without pads – a good clothes line tackle or crack back block does wonders for an opponent’s attitude adjustment.

  419. My, my, what a testy group we have here today, tell me is something Romney said? I think collectively, you all just realized, you have a real dud as the presumptive nominee of your Party. Some of you are hung up on the past and the rest have dire predictions for the future. You sound like a bunch of Debbie Downers. Well just enjoy the Olympics and dream of 2016.

  420. Romney is making Obama and Palestine look the abject failures they are, Newt. I stood up and applauded Romney for having the guts to say what needed to be said, that the useless Obama or Hillary Rotten only dream when they mouth their typical platitudes. The fact you’re too ignorant to understand that is no concern. You share that quality with Obama and his even more inane, butt ugly wife – you are invariably on the wrong side. But that is right where I want you.

    It will make November 6th all the more enjoyable so we can discuss the Everest sized dud of “We are the Ones…”

    One drawback about Obama losing, though. The thought of you being in a burka in amuses me.

  421. Newt, please elaborate. Collectively we all know with an absolute certainty that Obama is the biggest sham ever. I real loser. So what has Romney said that would make one look to man-boy occupying the WH for another 4? The big GM success? Unemployment? Private sector growth? Foreign policy successes? Race relations? Immigration policy? Health care?

  422. Tigre,

    She is annoying, isn’t she? I’m going to buy me one of those 50lbs bags of slug bait come November, and once the slugs have all gathered, pour out another 50lbs of table salt to watch the sizzle.

    The odor will be overwhelming, but the squirming, writhing in pain, and wailing will be glorious.

    Then we’ve got to figure out a way to depose and banish them for good. I don’t want to have to hide the grand kids from them like I did my own children.

  423. “One drawback about Obama losing, though. The thought of you being in a burka in amuses me.” Yes, that’s the plan for Obama’s second term, right after he comes for all your guns, spread the word. I’ve seen less hysteria from the Armageddon believers.

  424. Newt, here’s the annoying part. You can’t connect two dots, yet you perceive yourself as enlightened artist. Even the most obvious and elementary is too complex for you.

    For example…

    We have world leaders like Lech Walesa endorsing Mitt Romney for President. Now I know your history is practically non existent as you’ve alluded here time and again, so let me remind you that Lech Walesa is a legend in helping to bring about the fall of communism in the late 80s – that is, before it became vogue for ‘Obama Reds’ like you to restore totalitarianism to its rightful place.

    But let’s think about the current world leaders who are endorsing Obama and his “astute” foreign policy blunders.

    We’ve got Hugo Chavez, jackbooted despot, pinko and thug, calling Obama a good guy. We’ve got Fidel and Raul Castro, 20th century mass murderers and good communists, talking about Obama’s successes. We’ve got Gaza premier Ismail Haniyeh of Hamas, vis-a-vis sharia terrorist, singing Obama’s praises.

    See Newt, I want to refer to you garden variety useful idiot. But that doesn’t begin to explain the vast disconnect of conscience. And the only thing making you useful to idiot, is your undying support for a monumental loser.

    So, I guess I’m stuck with just annoying idiot.

  425. That Polish endorsement was funny. The crowd were big Ron Paul supporters and had a banner to that effect the media was trying to ignore.

  426. Maybe it’s the luck of the draw but I keep hitting on interviews with Romney that make him look good. I like how he handles the idiots, his answers stack up just fine against Obama, and he’s pretty good at turning the tables on the interviewer.

    Now I know the president is dreamy and all, but I’m not buying into the “it’s a scary time to be a woman,” nonsense. Or the “you didn’t build that” line however it is interpreted. So I didn’t get here by myself. Yeah? And? Thanks for telling me Daddy, but I already knew that.

    And lately I’m thinking that I had a lot more do do with whatever I’ve built than the president had to do with his ascent.

    Neither am I swooning and passing out at the Biden show either. What’s next for this buffoon, Shakespeare in the park?

    Give me a break.

    For the stiff Mitt, the bully Mitt, the wimp Mitt crowd, have a look at the limp noodle you served up. These images are grand! 😆

  427. Poolman, your comment doesn’t fit with the video you posted at all. Greta was interviewing a Paul supporter and the camera seems to be trying to keep the Paul image in the frame.

    ?

  428. We don’t know, Newt or no newt. Many Polish-Americans live in the United States. An endorsement from the old country can’t hurt.

    Here is some historical prospective. Central Europeans experienced communism first hand. The prospect of another such regime fills them with dread. As a result, they tend to support Romney. Their pro- western sentiments were so strong during the Iraqi war that Cheney called them “New Europe.”

    Countries like Estonia and Lativa sacrificed short term gain of borrowed money and endured a several year depression because they did not want to repeat the mistakes of communism. I mentioned the exchange the Estonian president had with Paul Krugman. He as much called Dr. K a fool.

    Ukraine, where the Soviets may have killed as many as 20 million people, is also recovering from its socialist past. Its people work so hard to maintain something akin to a middle class life that no one knows exactly how much they earn. They earn so much money under the table, no one can say for certain.

    Four generation homes are common because pensions are too low for the older home owners, and younger people cannot afford to rent or own their own houses.

    Urban woman tend to be slim because the family car is often pressed into service as an informal taxi cab. They are overworked and walk a lot.

    Ukranians are highly educated, and they have good doctors, but someone observed that if you are admitted to a Ukrainian hospital, you had better be unconscious or dead.

    Ukraine may be in your future if a burka isn’t.

    Sometimes, Debbie Downer is right. Last June, the Corps of Engineers told us the world as we knew it was ending. They were correct.

  429. “Wondering Newt why you avoid all questions of substance?” I don’t converse in crazy.
    I heard about that poolman, it was interesting. Did you hear about another stop in Poland, where Mitt was met with chants of “Obama, Obama”? The GOP convention is on my do not miss list.
    James, what is all this shit about communism?

  430. “Wondering Newt why you avoid all questions of substance?” I don’t converse in crazy.

    How was Tigre’s question in 612 constitute as crazy?

  431. “Perhaps it’s to highlight that Bush will be absent from the Republican convention.” -thor

    Yes, I’m sure you’re right.

    Or it could be to cover the portion in the room that doesn’t get swept up in the strictly emotional Holy Ghost sermonizing that is the hallmark of a typical Obama speech.

  432. How was Tigre’s question in 612 constitute as crazy? “Man-boy,” none of you are even half the man, I guess that is your real issue.

  433. Newt or no newt, Marxists and communists raised and influenced Obama. He has shown by his actions and words that he supports their ideology. Obama was also a member of a socialist party when in illinois.

    Eastern Europeans experienced Russia’s brand of communism, and they tend to recognize its manifestation in others. Several Ukrainians and other eastern Europeans who now live in the US and England have noticed familiar scenery in the west.

    That is all the manure about communism. Obama is a socialist in belief and practice if not in name.

  434. I’m not writing that Obama is a bad person. I’m writing that his record shows he is bad for our country. He and France would be a better fit.

  435. How many votes in the Electoral College does Poland have?

    {slaps head} Bet she has a wardrobe of Che shirts. Red to the core and dumb as a stump.

    Gang, this is why a man of no substance, no record and lying nature is President. We’ve raised an entire generation of complete and utter buffoons that are hopeless, helpless and incompetent. And I’m afraid the problem is growing worse by the day – parasites lead to more parasites.

    The question you got to ask yourself is how do we ditch them, Obama or no Obama? Do you really want to share a country with somebody this simplistic and craven? She and millions like her will be the death of you and your family, only it’s not like Islam. These leeches bleed you so slowly, you don’t know it until too late.

  436. “Emily, Noah/Nagic does take a lot of the fun of blogging doesn’t he? Well thanks for going to bat for me.

    Let’s be honest, Rutherford. Noah’s not the only fun sponge around here lately. As for Emily going to bat for you, she obviously came in here gunning for Noah. Which is fine by me, it’s mildly entertaining. But I look forward to hearing her thoughts on the world’s ills besides Noah.

  437. I will write Obama is not only a bad person, he’s diabolical and narcissistic SOB with a nasty streak. Obama is Rev. Wright in without the robe.

    A thin skinned megalomaniac, one step from totalitarianism and attested to on numerous occasions of executive privilege, disgraceful lying and national theft – and he’ll try to go there by force if necessary, unencumbered without the threat of reelection.

    You’re looking at the abomination of desolation in Obama and everything that pig touches, he sullies.

  438. “I told her beer tasted like pee and she responded “you drank pee?” “

    Oh baby, you got yourself a lawyer in the family right there. Nice!

  439. I don’t think people who applaud the Bill @ Charlotte, W not @ Tampa thing are actually thinking this thing through all the way.

  440. Sorry Tex, no che shirt in the closet, just a abaya and a jilbab. Alfie, I am high on democracy, and capitalism with a little bit of socialism, (favor farm substitutes, healthcare for all, public schools) in other words, I am a true American.

  441. the news of ron paul and obama supporters in Poland doesn’t impress me. All signs point to the groups being no more impressive than the often cropped and focused images from Europe of the crazed Islamist masses. These all too often pan out to be less than 20 lunatics often surrounded by law enforcement and folks heading to the local saying “what the bloody hell is happening to our country”?
    The truth is Poland is a nation of strong and proud peoples who yearn for the respect that quite frankly they do indeed deserve. President Obama has failed in that regard imo and the opinion of many others.

  442. I don’t know what farm substitutes are. If you meant subsidy that’s actually un-American although we sadly don’t embrace that truth.
    health care for all. If you mean other than access it is indeed un-American.
    Public schools. err they are an epic fail but I do and have consistently given O props from day one when he taped Arne Duncan. I was absolutely beside myself when the Administration embraced the core knowledge concept. Folks want to talk about O accomplishments…well that is actually one.

  443. Newt or no newt. I agree with 635 in principle. Practice is more difficult and needs a good supply of money.

  444. taped = tapped
    @ nnn fwiw thanks for answering. I have to add to the pile that many of your responses are kind of out there.Perhaps folk feel the same way about some of mine. idk.
    @thor I’m thinking GM. I imagine R is still all about the 5k folks that have a paycheck.
    Seriously….is there any doubt in the left of center folks mind that GM and Chrysler are at best in delay mode to demise?

  445. Farmers have lived socialist lives since the Great Depression when FDR created plans to save the industry and our food supply.

    Farmers are paid a percentage of their crop if the yield or price is too low. Sometimes, as during the farm crisis it was the difference between solvency and losing the business.

    In return, the government dictates how many acres of each crop are allowable. Officials inspect each farm from the air to determine if the farmer has followed the rules.

    FDR helped create Sarah Palin. The administration had little clue of how to help the economy and often threw stuff at the wall to see what would stick.

    One plan was to send Scandinavian and German farmers to Alaska because they were used to the cold Sarah Palin’s family ended up there.

  446. #639 That is it in a nutshell James. Do we tax those who can afford to pay higher taxes just a little bit more or do we forego educating America’s children, not feed them, allow farmers to go out of business and end up starving everyone, and do we let poor children die from preventable diseases? That is the question and we will know in November how America answers that question.

  447. “Do we tax those who can afford to pay higher taxes just a little bit more or do we forego educating America’s children, not feed them, allow farmers to go out of business and end up starving everyone, and do we let poor children die from preventable diseases?”

    So those are the options. . . 🙄

  448. Oh fucking please Newt, grow up. If we don’t tax then the “children” will go hungry! Woe is me!!!

    Here’s a novel idea, how about we stop giving billions to bankrupt crony companies? GASP! The AUDACITY of the thought!!!

    Your legitimacy with me just plummeted…

  449. “Maybe it’s the luck of the draw but I keep hitting on interviews with Romney that make him look good. I like how he handles the idiots, his answers stack up just fine against Obama, and he’s pretty good at turning the tables on the interviewer.” – M

    Can you link some? I’ve seen one interview with him lately, CNBC. Between the talking points, two things stood out. When asked about Europe, he basically offered the strategy of “cross your fingers”. When asked about the US team unis being made in China, he said he really didn’t have a comment. His two self-proclaimed Penn. Ave. calling cards are business and the Olympics, and yet when given an opportunity to expand on both credentials to a clearly non-antagonistic interviewer, he passed.

    He doesn’t seem to be running as Mitt Romney. He is simply running as “other”.

  450. How was Tigre’s question in 612 constitute as crazy? “Man-boy,” none of you are even half the man, I guess that is your real issue.

    im sorry crazy lady says what?

  451. Muffy you decide, does this Romney interview in the latest Obama ad make Mitt look good? Mitt Romney’s Taxe Returns: When Will He Come Clean?

  452. “Or it could be to cover the portion in the room that doesn’t get swept up in the strictly emotional Holy Ghost sermonizing that is the hallmark of a typical Obama speech.” – M

    Anything Bill Clinton does is for Bill Clinton. But this is about unity. Who is that figure for the Republicans? Who will offer Romney’s name into nomination. Not Bush. I don’t think Palin is coming either. Perhaps his VP pick?

  453. I am a true American Communist and mindless Hussein RUBE.

    FIFY. You’re a hopeless shill and empty headed buffoon too.

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    This is what I conclude, Gorilla and Tigre. Dead serious. The election in Nov 2012 will not get us there. We need a resurrection and small substitute, a rewrite if you will, of the Declaration of Independence.

    Every where you see the word British or Britain, substitute the word Progressive Democrat or Obama – matters not.

    We need to resign ourselves to the fact these people are unteachable and the situation dire and untenable in my estimation. Their feckless little god Hussein is just a figure head – a monument to their abject stupidity.

    In this case we’ve got to depose the body too.

    Let’s say we win in November. Then what? You’ve still got a 150,000,000 slackers, immoral ingrates, amoral thieves in our midst. Come on. This election should not even be close. It cannot get more apparent that Obama, his philosophy, his people not only antithetical or our original intent but antithetical to basic human goodness. This scumbag is morally bankrupt, a shyster of evil incarnate, and his millions of toe sucking groupies sold on a false sense of hope and celebrity extraordinaire. Let’s get rid of them.

    Think of the current Democratic Party more like the Borg and less like a King. They move from field to field, consuming everything in their path and bitching about it while doing so. I want my health care! I want my public schools! I want my foodstamps! I want, I want, I want. I’m entitled! Do you honestly think there is a liberal on this board that would give one thought to cleaning out your possessions for their own, kicking in your front door, or stealing your 401K if Owebama mama and MSNBC gave the word it was the ‘American’ thing to do?

    I suggest we stop the lollygagging about compromise and start treating these rejects like criminals, traitors, thugs, and convicts.

    I give us five years before we become Banana Republic of the Divided States if we don’t cut the purse strings and frogmarch them to the nether lands.

    Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition.

  454. : “we liberals will show the world how our criminal justice system is supposed to work and in so doing, we will atone for the sins of the past eight years.We will walk it like conservatives talk it. That is poetic justice indeed!” -Rutherford

    Isn’t it hilerious that Rutherford doesn’t feel the need to “atone” anymore? Tigre is correct, Rutherford pretentious cockyness on what Obama is going to do (and like clockwork didn’t) about the sins of Gitmo are almost eff