Mitt Romney is Very Very Rich — Get Over It

Just a short post today regarding Mitt Romney’s money sitting in Bermuda, Switzerland and the Cayman Islands. So what? I watched an interesting debate over the weekend on MSNBC’s “Up with Chris Hayes” where the question was posed, “is it immoral for Romney to tax shelter his money?” Everyone on the program seemed to acknowledge it was legal. So the question was, is it moral? I found the debate interesting primarily because I love watching debates but the answer for me was as clear as the stripes on the American Flag and as tasty as that first bite of apple pie. Yes, it’s completely moral.

There is a simple reality here folks. Rich people have access to services that the rest of us don’t. It’s a fact of life. The way we get that access is to become rich ourselves. Mitt Romney has legal means to pay as little tax as he possibly can and he just does it on a larger scale than the rest of us. Is it immoral for you to deduct your mortgage interest? Is it immoral for you to list your charities on your tax return? Do YOU bypass deductions so you can patriotically give as much money to the federal government as possible? Of course not. And if you don’t do it, why should Mitt Romney?

There is, to my mind, only one valid financial attack on Romney and that is the veracity of his claim of creating thousands of jobs while at Bain Capital. This is worth investigation because it speaks to one of his highly trumpeted qualifications for being President. Where Romney parks his money, as long as he does it legally, is a distraction.

One of the ways folks stay rich is to throw away as little of their money as possible. If you don’t like Mitt’s finances, vote for people who will change the tax code. Don’t blame Mitt for doing what any person with half a brain would do, namely use every legal means possible to stay in the 1%.

What do you think about how Mitt handles his money?

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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806 thoughts on “Mitt Romney is Very Very Rich — Get Over It

  1. From the prior thread from Noah:

    Does anyone here think China is going to just accept a meltdown?

    Conceptually I don t understand this comment. China has a choice to go into a recession or depression? Did we have this same choice and chose not to exerciser it?

    I can’t speak for Alfie but Noah are we experiencing a meltdown right now in America? No, it’s a recession and we’re not going to sit back and allow a meltdown if we can help it. So why would the same not be true of China? No country melts down without a fight … except maybe Greece. I don’t understand what they’re doing to help themselves.

  2. Point taken, but are supposed to gather from this you’re a full blown capitalist? 😀 If so, write something else.

    Because we all have the same access to the same services Romney uses if we choose to do so – economies of scale, or lack thereof, simply deem it cost prohibitive for most of us.

    By the way – all that money has been taxed if that is the argument. Romney, like any smart individual, is simply safeguarding it from the tentacles of the United States Government once it has been taxed.

    Only a fool wouldn’t do otherwise.

  3. By the way – all that money has been taxed if that is the argument.

    Do you mean via withholding? And does that apply to investment dividends? I don’t think so.

  4. Tex you’re playing word games. If it’s cost prohibitive, you don’t have access.

    I COULD buy that Rolls Royce … it’s just cost prohibitive. 😆

  5. How can you accuse me of playing word games when you say something moronic like this?

    If it’s cost prohibitive, you don’t have access.

    Access and cost prohibitive are not one and the same, rock. Yes, you have equal access to a Rolls Royce as Mitt Romney but you can’t afford one.

    Here’s an example to no access:

    My membership to the NAACP
    The girl’s restroom
    A locked door

    Here’s cost prohibitive:

    A ride on a Russian Rocket
    Buying my own island near Hawaii
    Purchasing a Ferrari

    But if I hit the Powerball, I can do any of those listed that are cost prohibitive. That still wouldn’t buy me access into the New Black Panthers Party.

    {sigh} I try. I really, really try.

  6. Do you mean via withholding? And does that apply to investment dividends? I don’t think so.

    So when did tax free dividends become the new sin? That used to be called portfolio and investment strategy.

    Are you also going to apply your rule to municipal bonds, as they provide income that is tax free from Federal income taxes, and if the bond is issued from the state in which the taxpayer resides too, Karl?

    {slaps keyboard against head}

  7. Very good point Tex.

    R, how big will the win percentage be for Romney when he wins in November? I thought 5-7% prior to Obamacare ruling, now though, I’m thinking double digits.

    Good post by the way. Nice to see you stumble into common sense once in a while…

  8. {slaps made in China keyboard against head}

    There is nothing wrong with wealth, per say. The rich young man confronted Jesus (noted in Matthew 19) and asked what he had to do to inherit eternal life. Jesus said obey the commandments and love your neighbor as yourself. The young man said he had done those things. Then Jesus told him to sell all he had and give it to the poor. The man could not do that and went away sad.

    It wasn’t because the wealth existed, it was because he VALUED the wealth above all else. It set itself up as an idol in his life.

    You must be willing to give everything up, even your own life. That is real faith. Most of what we get in America is lip service.

  9. Tax free dividends? I didn’t know they existed. Do you mean dividends reinvested in the given stock?

  10. Types on keyboard made in China, Japan or Taiwan (how can you tell?)…

    The income stream is federal tax exempt, Rabbit. If you sell a bond before maturity, the capital gains are still taxable.

    If interested, Fidelity provides this. It’s who I do business with – don’t own any municipals currently, as income no longer a problem. 😀 Well, at least problem where you worry about too much of it for tax reasons. That ended with the single income.

    https://www.fidelity.com/learning-center/fixed-income-bonds/tax-exempt-investing

  11. Which reminds me, I need to ask Rutherford about this one too:

    When you hold dividend paying stocks in your Roth IRA you NEVER have to pay taxes on those reinvested dividends.

    It that accessible, Mr. Rutherford? 😀

  12. But if I hit the Powerball, I can do any of those listed that are cost prohibitive.

    Yes and if I had tits I could be your wife.

    First, you CAN be a member of the NAACP so bad example.
    Second you CAN go in the girl’s restroom — I just wouldn’t advise it — another bad example.
    You can access a locked door unless there is another locked door keeping you from it. 😉

    So you obviously have no idea WTF access really is.

    One of the ways country clubs control ACCESS is by making membership cost prohibitive.

    BTW, I’d also wager, all the money in the world won’t get you on that Russian rocket so there you’ve got a couple of barriers to ACCESS, one financial and second political (and in my case, third, physical).

    You confuse POTENTIAL with access.

  13. So when did tax free dividends become the new sin?

    You’re inferring a judgment where none exists. I’m not condemning dividends. I’m trying to understand what you mean when you say the money was already taxed before being stowed away in Bermuda.

  14. Thank you G, even a broken clock is right twice a day. 😉

    If he wins at all, Romney will win by a squeak. In fact this election worries me a bit because whoever loses will lose by such a close margin that calls of fraud will be inevitable. I’m actually hoping for a blow-out. It would be better for the nation regardless of the winner.

  15. Since I own a ROTH IRA with dividend paying stocks that are automatically reinvested, YES I have ACCESS to that tax savings. On the other hand I wouldn’t know where to start to try to put some of my money in a Swiss bank account. So from my POV I don’t have access to that service.

    The point of the post is that I don’t begrudge the fact that Romney does have access to financial services that are out of my reach. That comes with being rich. If my long lost multimillionaire cousin who I didn’t know existed dies and leaves me his fortune, I’ll have access too.

  16. I give you leftists one thing. Besides the ability to lie with straight face, each of you have a gift – it too must be genetic. Parsing words.

    No, if you had tits, you would be a hermaphrodite and I guarantee you the chances of you being my wife are completely inaccessible – you got that completely wrong and should have used that as example if you had wished to be accurate.

    So you obviously have no idea WTF accessibility really is.

    ac·ces·si·ble/akˈsesəbəl/
    Adjective:

    (of a place) Able to be reached or entered.
    (of an object, service, or facility) Able to be easily obtained or used.

    Can you obtain a Royal’s Royce, Rutherford? Yes, you can because you once bought a house even more expensive you couldn’t afford.

    If so, it’s accessible by definition. I don’t see anyone preventing you from purchasing one. It may be cost prohibitive, but the accessibility is yours for the taking.

    Semantics is the last bastion of those with no argument and dependent on lies.

    It’s like pro-choice, Obama’s ‘penalty’ on healthcare, social justice, and it depends on what the word is, is.

  17. Good grief. You’re not brick. Your Poolman quality granite.

    I’m trying to understand what you mean when you say the money was already taxed before being stowed away in Bermuda.

    Taxes have already been withheld before deposited into a Bermuda account. U.S. Federal taxes were paid on the income. The money could be sheltered for a host of legitimate reasons – the first keeping thieving American leftist hands from further pillaging it.

    Other reasons: security, privacy, accessible to offshore funds, prevents gov’t from restricting investment in foreign funding, administering the estate, conducting international business.

    This is such a ruse, anybody with half a brain should recognize what Obama’s lackey are attempting to do: run out the clock by going on the offensive, praying nobody has the time to question Obama’s monumental failure concerning the economy, jobs, Obama debt, broken campaign promises, unemployment, and a host of other massive failures by the worst administration in U.S. history.

    I don’t think it is going to work. But Romney needs to get off his ass and start putting your butchering thieves on the defensive where they belong.

  18. On the financial front: HT to Texas, once again at the top of the heap as a great state to do business.

    Virginia and TX typically swap places from year to year, but this year VA slips to third, as Utah sweeps into second.

    Well done, TX and UT. Still not too shabby, Ol’ Dominion!

    I feel really sorry for you, California. Actions do have consequences, you know.

  19. On the other hand I wouldn’t know where to start to try to put some of my money in a Swiss bank account. So from my POV I don’t have access to that service.

    Too bad. Those in charge of this beast are milking it dry and will continue unhindered except for minor hurdles set up by a small few with scruples willing to sacrifice their own well-being for the greater good of all.

    http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-01-06/news/17944768_1_bradley-birkenfeld-bank-fraud-sentencing-hearing

  20. Here’s a good example of capitalism at work, Rutherford: I just had a fellow check my heat pump for a leak, since it was not putting out enough cooling during the last heat wave. He was the original installer.

    Instead of coming himself, he sent his helper, who informed me that, if I signed up for his “continuous maintenance policy” he would charge me a total of $240 for the two hours of testing and checking the refrigerant charge. (Everything checked out fine; it was just too hot for the unit to cool the house sufficiently.)

    But because I didn’t go with his “continuous care” policy – requiring a $30 charge each month in perpetuity, he charged me $307 for two hours work by his helper (whom he pays about $10/hour), who used no parts or refrigerant. Just labor.

    Well, well, well, my friend…he just priced himself out of the market. I paid it and fired him. I will not use him again or recommend him to anyone else in this very small town. And I – very nicely – told him so. My son and I will take a two week evening HVAC course at the local college this coming fall. I can already handle all the electrical work and understand the basic physics and valve actions. Just need some particulars and a can of gas; already have the gauge set. Cost? $450.

    That’s capitalism at work.

    Now, let’s see him read his own X-rays.

  21. I’m telling you, I made a terrible mistake of ditching medical school when I left corporate, and not attending a heating and air class, or taking a swing on the wild side of plumbing.

    Not sure if you saw my plumbing story on the previous thread, Pfesser. How about $109 and hour with two hour minimum, charges starting when they leave the place until they return, all because I can’t find a part for the faucet. I told Rutherford, at a minimum it was going to cost me $400.00 for a new faucet. As it it, it will cost me the $150.00 for a brand new faucet.

    It was cheaper to buy a new faucet and do myself – the same faucet is the mail as we speak. I figure it will take me approximately 30 – 60 minutes to install it. That’s what it took last time.

  22. Sorry Rutherford, I really should learn to be so exacting and so precise it gives you no room to manipulate anything to make an invalid and false point.

    You may have heard we had some bad times a few years back. Banks, housing…things like that. Did we have a choice that we chose not to exercise? Is there a choice China has to just decide…nope, things are going to stay as they were these past 30 years?

  23. I’ve been thinking about Mitt’s problem, the man is an enigma, that was his problem throughout the GOP primary and nothing has changed. Nothing about him shouts trust me, so he has no other choice, I think he, personally, has to explain his Swiss bank account, the Cayman’s, and Bermuda, and he will have to release more years of his taxes. Right or wrong, it is not for me to say, but he has to be more forthcoming or he will never be President. He might not even be the Republican nominee.

  24. @27 OMG…more forthcoming? Caymans and Bermuda report directly to the IRS by the way. I also thought the Swiss had started to disclose information upon request.

  25. @27 OMG…more forthcoming? Caymans and Bermuda report directly to the IRS by the way. I also thought the Swiss had started to disclose information upon request.

    Ironic coming from an Obama Rube, hey? Trust & verification?

    Is this from the fans of the man who promised “we are the ones”, transparency, to halve the deficit in his first term, to close GITMO, accused Bush of unjust wars and condemned for water boarding but uses drones to kill entire families, has broken numerous campaign promises….the biggest one of them all as no red states or blue states.

    I’m telling you, Alfie. These people are not only ignorant, they’re certifiably insane.

    And certainly not worthy of debate. At best they are simple minded groupies.

  26. I think Newt was being sarcastic, lampooning birthers or those who use the Manchurian Candidate thing. She/he can’t be that oblivious to the irony.

  27. I would have more of a problem if Romeny was a complete moron with his loot. I think it’s a feather in his cap if he parked money in a safe place. It’s his fucking money. Same goes for the chick that is the DNC chairmwoman. More power to her.

    Now Gingrich was a different story. Lobbying for Fannie May, essentially running off with tax payer money…I deem that corruption. Made him a total hypocrite.

  28. Taxes have already been withheld before deposited into a Bermuda account.

    If you go back to my original question, I asked if you meant withholding. You’re the one who seized upon the word dividends hoping to catch me condemning dividends.

    Now that you’ve answered my question, albeit with insult, thank you.

  29. Yup PF, I’ve heard Utah had an excellent record yet Jon Huntsman was dismissed as a Prez candidate. Utah enjoyed much of its business appeal under Huntsman’s leadership.

  30. Noah, the hand on the heart business … stupid.
    The raise taxes in a recession …. correct me if I’m wrong … we are officially no longer in a recession.

  31. Ehhh, Tex, last headline I heard this morning was that Russia was canceling arms shipments to Syria. Perhaps THEY don’t want to be on the wrong side of history … and perhaps this is not the 19 friggin 50’s. 🙄

  32. A couple of you may recall that a few weeks ago I shared that my medical service provider was switching me to a different brand of ventilator … and … to cover their legal ass they were going to force me to try the ventilator out in the hospital overnight to make sure everything was ok. This pissed me off to no small extent.

    Well, the time has come. I’ll be out of commission for the next 36 hours or so (i.e. until Thursday afternoon). So carry on with the discussions. Just take care not to post comments with more than two links, please spell your e-mail address and blogging name correctly … otherwise you will end up in moderation hell and I won’t be able to “rescue” you until Thursday.

    I cannot begin to tell you how pissed off I am about this ventilator “test”. Alas, there was just no fighting city hall on this one.

    See all you folks on Thursday. Keep the bar warm for me, the tap is open so drink with moderation. 🙂

  33. Tex –
    “It was cheaper to buy a new faucet and do myself – the same faucet is the mail as we speak. I figure it will take me approximately 30 – 60 minutes to install it. That’s what it took last time.”

    I saw your post. One of the most overrated things on the planet is the service of a skilled tradesman. You will be slow, but you can do ANYTHING yourself; just get a book if you have any questions and then go for it.

    The one exception for me has been bricklaying. I truly suck at it.

  34. Really sorry about your medical situation, R. I used to laugh a little at that old commercial where one of the two old ladies said, “When you got ‘cha health, you got everything.” So very, very true. And so underappreciated by those who still have it.

  35. I’m sorry about your medical situation too, Rutherford. We will try to keep the “building” standing for your return.

    This issue is playing in Nebraska. State Senator Deb Fisher and her husband ranch in the Nebraska Sand Hills. She is the Republican candidate with support from the Tea Party. Bob Kerry is running as a Democrat. He has been a popular governor and senator, and he won a medal of honor during the Vietnam War.

    He probably entered another race after negotiations with Harry Reid, and he is trailing. His candidacy is suspicious since he has not lived in the state for at least ten years. His wife, a former writer for Saturday Night Live, wrote a supposedly satirical article about her disdain for life in the Nebraska wilderness.

    The Fisher ranch rents some federal land at a large discount. Kerry claimed that the Fishers are stealing from the tax payers. Deb countered that what they are doing is legal, and it is good business, just as what Romney is doing. If it is dishonest, change the law.

  36. Debbie Wasserman Schultz tweeted that Romney’s bank is in Switzerland.Her’s is in her neighborhood. She previously held investments in Swiss banks foreign drug companies, and the State Bank of India. Granted her 401 K fund invested only $1,000 to $15,000, and it was legal, but her situation illustrates how stupid she to think no one would know. The Democrats should have used someone else to make the charge..

  37. You will be slow, but you can do ANYTHING yourself; just get a book if you have any questions and then go for it.

    I’ve installed this faucet once, and at least four others in the house over the years, plus a couple of toilets.

    If my right knee weren’t hurting me, I wouldn’t even have called a plumber on this one either. But when plumbers are demanding radiologist wages, and radiologists don’t even charge when they are in their driveway, figured I could bear the pain.

    I laughed at the woman when she told me the rates…

    My last response was, “Don’t need your service and I’ll make sure everyone else knows your rates too…”, then hung up before she had a chance to respond.

  38. Now, now, I never said there was anything wrong with Mitt doing business in the Cayman’s or having a Swiss bank account, what I am saying is this, people are going to want to know what is going on with Mitt and his money. That’s just how Americans are. So the sooner Mitt discloses more tax records and directly addresses the issue the better it is for his campaign. It just isn’t going away on it own and you know this as well as I do.
    Look forward to your return Rutherford.

  39. Newt, I’m curious why you aren’t focused like a laser beam on the massive failures of Dear Leader Obama?

    Economy, jobs, unemployment, massive debt, 50% increase in food stamp costs, hundreds of broken campaign promises, losing the Afghan War, soldiers killed, leading from behind, war zones in our streets, Fast & Furious, cities filing bankruptcy. And what’s your concern? Romney’s overseas assets.

    You remind me of the person owning a home with 3″ cracks in the walls and widening with sun shining through the roof, sleepless because you couldn’t get to the spider web in the corner of the back bedroom.

    Good thing you got millions of strangers to take care of you and cover for you.

  40. Tex, I am a realist and I realize what a difficult situation President Obama inherited from his predecessor and I also know how uncooperative Congress has been in helping him correct these problems.

  41. One of the most overrated things on the planet is the service of a skilled tradesman. You will be slow, but you can do ANYTHING yourself; just get a book if you have any questions and then go for it.

    That made me laugh. In my field I see lots of ‘do it yourself’ projects. Some work, others are dismal failures. There are some very creative ‘fixes’ out there. Sometimes it costs a lot more to ‘repair’ those ‘fixes’. 😆

    But service personnel that KNOW their trade are valuable, imo. I know several electricians, plumbers, carpenters, tile setters, and HVAC persons that are well worth their pay. Competition in the market keeps them reasonably priced. Anyone licensed and insured has to pass those business expenses to the customer.

    As a homeowner, you don’t need the license, bond, and insurance coverage. Good thing, since those do impact every tradesman.

    Since I have HVAC connections in my family, I don’t worry much about those expenses. Now that I’m renting, it matters even less. The landlord has to deal with it. We recently had his plumber in to replumb some bathroom sink drains. This old house has cast iron sewer pipes that will always need maintenance. They tend to corrode inside and create blockages. Newer residences get ABS and PVC plumbing that holds up much better for sewer lines. Commercial still requires cast iron. Stupid code.

    Now, when I have to pay a lawyer $375.00 per hour to put together boiler plate docs for an enterprise… that really chaps my ass. Especially when the paralegal does all his work at MUCH less per hour. And it isn’t like he’s reinventing the wheel…

  42. >

    I am a realist and I realize what a difficult situation President Obama inherited

    No, what you are is a dishonest propagandist who holds glaring double standards in judgment, doesn’t understand the meaning of promise, transparency or accountability, and a bleating sheep daily spouting the leftist meme of the campaign,hoping to run out to run out the clock to hide Obama’s blunders and EPIC failure. The only thing important to you is that your team win, no matter the consequences. Frankly, here’s hoping you are tagged personally big time. Because you certainly deserve it.

    In other words, you’re an enabling liar and there isn’t a shred of realism in you.

    You’re not very good at it either, too dishonest to admit Obama had total control of his environment in Congress for two years and chose poorly, headlined by a boondoggle of filth called Obama Care and about $3 trillion dollars of debt, including a slush fund of almost $1 trillion for Obama’s bundlers that did nothing and was euphemistically called ‘stimulus.’ It stimulated about 18% real unemployment – twice as high as Obama guaranteed it would become. He and his minions have never even been able to construct a budget in over 1,000 days. That is gross incompetence, even if you’re too ignorant to recognize it.

    There is nothing compassionate or just about people like you letting the country falter simply because you can’t admit failure on behalf of both Obama and yourself, and you’re not fooling anybody with this drivel of yours.

    The only way to win after this travesty of leadership is racial division, class warfare, and buying votes. That is your party – the only thing you do proudly with your rank propaganda.

  43. I agree with Newt or no newt about realism. Most Americans are lazy and ignorant as far as political information is concerned.

    Many still trust the old media and some still get most of their information from late night talk shows.

    When a poll shows that 45 % of people polled don’t know the Supreme Court released a decision about Obama Care we have cause to worry. The Obama administration knows this, and they are changing the subject as often as they can. Therefore Romney must destroy this line of argument one way or the other.

    Romney was booed when he said he will repeal Obama Care. The administration has set this up to let some of the good things filter down to the people. The bills will come later after the election. The Obama administration rests its faith in the stupidity of the American people and for good reason. They voted him into office.

    President Obama did inherit a mess which Democrats and to a small degree HE helped create. Congress was officially not uncooperative when Democrats held a clear majority, and they created more problems for the economy while freezing Republicans from substantive influence. Now, that Republicans are sufficiently numerous to block the Democrats’, Congress is uncooperative. Again most people are too simple to notice the difference.

  44. Tex, I guess it is just because I am an adult that I understand somethings are beyond my control or another’s control. When that happens, I believe in displaying patience and/or trying ‘Plan B.’ Please believe me, I have no intention of attempting to change your mind about anything, I also know a ‘lost cause’ when I see one.

  45. I don’t mean to beat Newt or no newts’ realism comment like a dying horse, but here is another example of blindness to realism. Nature Magazine published an article showing that the world climate has slightly COOLED since Roman times.

    The writers of Climategate noticed the same trend during the last ten years and discussed hiding the decline. I remember reading that heat and drought contributed to the decline of the Western Empire.Now, I understand what was happening.

    Climate and weather are issue used in a similar fashion to Romney’s wealth to obscure reality.

  46. That is interesting James @ 53. 2012 is so far the warmest year on record. Solar activity is up and expected to peak in 2013. Man-made global warming is debatable, but we do tend to mess things up on a global scale since all things are interconnected. Our jet stream and ocean currents tend to make what happens in one hemisphere affect things in the other hemisphere.

    But one massive meteor striking the earth can do more than millions of people’s damage over centuries. Few things are certain in life.

  47. I agree, Poolman. ISU extension climatologist, Elwin Taylor says we are entering the climax of an 89 year cycle which will take us back to the 1930s’, one of the warmest and driest periods of the twentieth century.

    He says we will stair step gradually with ups and downs into a very hot dry period culminating in a 1936 or 1894 drought by 2025. Presumably this year is part of the process.

    An 18 year cycle indicated a major drought after the 1988 drought, but it was late. Climate and weather calculations are imprecise.

  48. Dr. Taylor estimates about 8% of our climate human influenced. It is like compound interest which grows over time. Some scientists have said our small contribution might save us from a future little ice age;.

  49. Speaking about human influence. I know you guys are mostly down on Rachael Maddow, but she does cover real news much of the time. This crap out of Massachusetts really shows the problems of corruption in the GOP and reason they cannot pull off an easy home run.

  50. I also thought the Swiss had started to disclose information upon request.- Alfie

    Yes, the Swiss do now.

    Rutherford, people in Romney’s tax bracket don’t exactly do “withholding” as we peons do but yes, taxes have been paid on money “earned” at some point every year.

    Newt, offshore accounts aren’t much different than corporate accounts in Delaware banks. IRS gets their cut regardless. Offshore banking is a great way to diversify internationally. Barclays Bank for example provides offshore banking as well as Citibank for their wealthy clients so you really don’t have to make a secret get-a-way to the Bahamas to stash your money. Unless you just want a nice vacation that is.

    I think this fixation on Romney’s fortune is just like our fixation on celebrities. I doubt there are any hidden agendas because we know how potential presidents are seriously vetted, don’t we? 😉

  51. What corruption in MA? The GOP in any state is allowed to control how the Party behaves. It is always well advised that the Party,no matter which one, obey the will of the electorate. Under no circumstances has the will of the MA electorate been compromised here. The Liberty Slate as it is called is to be commended for their passion but nothing else.Delegates have a duty and in 2012 that duty is to place Mitt Romney as the official candidate from the GOP. In the words of the 18 year old who beat out former gubernatorial candidate Charlie Baker:
    “I’ve been rudely awakened to the realities of politics,” Kenney said. “I feel I’ve been cheated.”
    I say congrats on waking up early in life Mr Kenney,if you don’t like what you’ve seen move on.
    As for Rachel Maddow highlighting an alleged illegality in the Commonwealth….I would simply suggest the partisan shit bag should do an equal time piece on Gov. Deval “Obama Lite Patricks decision to veto the DEMOCRAT dominated legislatures effort to keep EBT cards from buying tattoos,booze and porn. People want to talk about the real shame in Bay State politics…go there. Follow up with how MA was under Federal supervision for screwing active duty service members votes. That was the (D) state sec. on that one.
    btw RP took 3rd place with only 9.5% of the vote,compared to Romneys 71%. RP doesn’t deserve to have any delegates PERIOD!
    Stop fucking whining you guys. You Lost.

  52. Tex, I guess it is just because I am an adult that I understand somethings are beyond my control or another’s control.

    An adult only in the in physical sense. Your pubes don’t offset your mindless arrested development. You live your life being spoon fed garbage of the world in which you want it to be – not what is. You have no idea of that which you speak – you regurgitate talking points, while you bleat in barren fields of your own making.

    When that happens, I believe in displaying patience and/or trying ‘Plan B.’

    And Plan ‘B’ has been an abject failure, doubling down on the very policies your Dear Leader campaigned against. So that also makes you and Obama hypocrites in your arrested development, you being used by Obama. Strike 2.

    I also know a ‘lost cause’ when I see one.

    Apparently not. Your very reflection in the mirror flashes lost, then vacillates to failure, before returning to lost once again and repeating the cycle.

    Strike Three…and back to the bench Rube.

  53. I don’t think Barclays is looking very dapper today, Raji. Of course the biggest banking scandal EVER is being exposed with little MSM attention. It’s business as usual while the bankster cabal continues to rip off John Q. Public.

    There are really two different Libor scandals. One has to do with a period just before the financial crisis, around 2007, when Barclays and other banks submitted fake Libor rates lower than the banks’ actual borrowing costs in order to disguise how much trouble they were in. This was bad enough. Had the world known then, action might have been taken earlier to diminish the impact of the near financial meltdown of 2008.

    But the other scandal is even worse. It involves a more general practice, starting around 2005 and continuing until – who knows? it might still be going on — to rig the Libor in whatever way necessary to assure the banks’ bets on derivatives would be profitable.

    http://robertreich.org/post/26708840314

  54. Alfie, no effin’ whining here. But you are wrong regarding the ‘nominee’. He has not won OR lost – yet, unless you count bank and media sponsorship as a win.

  55. Newt, I wonder, your Messiah had the dream deal his first two years. Many other Presidents have done far more with a lot less. I wonder why even having the trifecta of the Presidency and control of congress why you still cant hold him accountable? I would think you could go so far to admit he had the deck stacked in his favor, and it is reasonable to say he is just an ineffective President at the very least?

  56. Nagic, I would never refer to President Obama as “an ineffective President,” he has certainly used the power of his office quite well, thank you.

  57. Excellent Raji, then we can expect Romney to release his records immediately, certainly he wants to put this issue behind him. Nagic, I am not here to change your mind about anything, just to let you know, there are other opinions than your own.

  58. Question: Do the rich pay their fair share of taxes?

    Answer: Yes, and then some. From the Times report:

    The bottom 20 percent of American earners paid just three-tenths of a percent of the total federal tax burden, while the richest 20 percent paid 67.9 percent of taxes.

    Question: Did the top 1 percent of income earners benefit disproportionately over the course of the recession?

    Answer: Absolutely not. They took in only 11.5 percent of income nationwide, while paying 22.3 percent of taxes -nearly double the percentage they earned – in 2009.

    Question: Has the top 1 percent of income earners been hurt by the recession?

    Answer: Not only have they been hurt, but this recession hurt them the most. Consider these two data points (emphasis added):

    The big losers over the past few years were the rest of the well-off — those in the 60th percent to 99th percent of earnings — who saw their tax burdens go up.[…]

    In terms of actual earnings, the top 1 percent suffered the most in the recession, with their average earnings dropping from $1.9 million to $1.2 million. The lowest 20 percent saw their incomes drop from $23,900 to $23,500 during that time.

    Question: So what is the Left talking about with respect to the rich not giving anything back?

    Answer: We’re not sure, but if we had to guess, we‘d say it’s something to do with the fact that the richest 1 percent’s share of the tax burden dropped by a full four percent. However, this still puts them paying more than they take out by a sizable margin. Really, we imagine bad data combined with economic frustration is motivating the people who earnestly believe what the Left puts out, but it could just be anti-wealth prejudice and Marxist pap at work. However, for the sake of a healthy debate, we prefer to assume our opponents have at least a basically rational reason for believing what they believe.

  59. I didnt ask you to change your mind or mine…I asked you a question, you avoided it…because you would have to admit some very hard facts about your Messiah. It was more of an integrity check to see if you had the capability to be honest about your own party. Answer or dont, will let the record stand.

  60. Another question Newt. Would it be ok if Romney would release his tax returns in the same time your Messiah released his Birth Certificate?

  61. Hey Newt. It takes some unmitigated gall for you saps to be “demanding anything personal.” You fricking hypocrites are too much. How much do I have to pay you to leave the country forever? What’s scary is a bleating sheep like you nullifies my vote.

    HELP ME, OBAMA! HELP ME!

    Your feckless leader won’t even release his transcripts, his college records, his personal background. Take your demands and park them, princess.

  62. What I’ve been saying for sometime. These political ‘fact checkers’ are nothing but front groups to lie for the Left. Another game Leftists love to play, including their claims of superior intellect (then why are they predominately the disenfranchised and demanding social justice?), and Rutherford’s favorite claim of “Faux Viewers” being the least intelligent and informed, completely contrary to the truth as demonstrated here daily.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/07/11/Virginia-GOP-Hits-Politifact

    Is there any level the Left wing won’t stoop? I’m getting to the point of thinking we might have to terminate a few of them to let them no we are serious about stopping the lying.

    Rutherford, you step up first. 😛

  63. Anybody notice anything unusual about this paragraph? 😆

    “Conditions for the campaign were clearly skewed in favor of one candidate,” Dutch lawmaker Tiny Kox told reporters, adding that national media coverage had given a clear advantage to Prime Minister Vladimir Putin.

    Poor bastard. He probably never lived down the yuck yucks growing up.

    http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/western-observers-call-vote-flawed/454206.html

    Knew a marketing author named Dick Tweet once, and there was a guy I grew up with by the name Rusty Ball. 😛

  64. This stuff is happening fast. You can tell there must be an urgency, since much of the ‘secretive crimes’ are now happening in the open and while most of America sleeps or masturbates.

    Global privatization and fire sales of our resources are happening in record numbers. This administration is not working for us. A ‘We, the people’ government has long since left the building.

    All the hype and hoopla in decades past was merely to build up and promote America’s image. A PR campaign designed to establish perceived value. Build the demand. Create the dream. Market it. Cash in.

    Though it costs you and me, we’re not profiting from this scheme. It’s way past time to draw the line and disable this beast.

    “Come out of her…

    …the trade agreement would give unprecedented political authority and legal protection to foreign corporations. Specifically, TPP would (1) severely limit regulation of foreign corporations operating within US boundaries, giving them greater rights than domestic firms; (2) extend incentives for US firms to move investments and jobs to lower-wage countries; and (3) establish an alternative legal system that gives foreign corporations and investors new rights to circumvent US courts and laws, allowing them to sue the US government before foreign tribunals and demand compensation for lost revenue due to US laws they claim undermine their TPP privileges or their investment “expectations.”

    http://truth-out.org/news/item/10195-america-the-beautiful-a-fire-sale-for-foreign-corporations

  65. Newt, a serious question. Who is going to decipher Romney’s tax records if they are released. Main Stream Media? No, items will be pulled out of context with no relation to the whole. So what’s the point?

  66. A review of the current state of affairs around the world by John Cleese, British writer, actor and tall person

    “The English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent events in Syria and have therefore raised their security level from “Miffed” to “Peeved.” Soon, though, security levels may be raised yet again to “Irritated” or even “A Bit Cross.” The English have not be…en “A Bit Cross” since the blitz in 1940 when tea supplies nearly ran out. Terrorists have been re-categorized from “Tiresome” to “A Bloody Nuisance.” The last time the British issued a “Bloody Nuisance” warning level was in 1588, when threatened by the Spanish Armada.
    The Scots have raised their threat level from “Pissed Off” to “Let’s get the Bastards.” They don’t have any other levels. This is the reason they have been used on the front line of the British army for the last 300 years.
    The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from “Run” to “Hide.” The only two higher levels in France are “Collaborate” and “Surrender.” The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France ‘s white flag factory, effectively paralyzing the country’s military capability.
    Italy has increased the alert level from “Shout Loudly and Excitedly” to “Elaborate Military Posturing.” Two more levels remain: “Ineffective Combat Operations” and “Change Sides.”
    The Germans have increased their alert state from “Disdainful Arrogance” to “Dress in Uniform and Sing Marching Songs.” They also have two higher levels: “Invade a Neighbour” and “Lose.”
    Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual; the only threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels .
    The Spanish are all excited to see their new submarines ready to deploy. These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy.
    Australia, meanwhile, has raised its security level from “No worries” to “She’ll be alright, Mate.” Two more escalation levels remain: “Crikey! I think we’ll need to cancel the barbie this weekend!” and “The barbie is cancelled.” So far no situation has ever warranted use of the last final escalation level.
    A final thought – ” Greece is collapsing, the Iranians are getting aggressive, and Rome is in disarray. Welcome back to 430 BC”.

  67. The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from “Run” to “Hide.” The only two higher levels in France are “Collaborate” and “Surrender.” The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France ‘s white flag factory, effectively paralyzing the country’s military capability.

    😆 The miitary is paralyzed! Good find.

  68. “Who is going to decipher Romney’s tax records?” The voters! As it is Mitt avoids the press and this makes him look guilty of something, I am not saying he is, but it does create the perception. And you all know what I am saying is just the plain unvarnished truth.

  69. I agree, Romney has to ditch the perception that he is hiding something, but I don’t believe “the voters” will understand what they are reading in his tax returns, and the media will turn the numbers into whatever they want. He should push for a quid pro quo.

    I am right about this. More than half the voters can’t even make change.

    Obama is still largely a “man of mystery.” Several reporters appeared on Charlie Rose’s show before the 2008 election. Tom Brokaw said in effect “we don’t really know much about Obama. We don’t even know the books he reads.”

    In contrast, reporters virtually sorted Sarah Palin’s family and former associates’ trash to find dirt on her. Thus, while I agree, Romney must do something to diffuse people’s wondering what he is hiding, he will have to be careful. The Democrats and the publicity wing of the party (the press) will twist what he reveals to be nepharious.

  70. Tom Brokaw said in effect “we don’t really know much about Obama. We don’t even know the books he reads.”

    Obviously, BO doesn’t read much. He’s poorly read, poorly written, ignorant of America history, and seldom broaches the subject of history or precedent because when he has, BO sounds like a sham.

    Each day that goes by, I’m more convinced Barack Obama is not only not intelligent. He’s a stupid and poorly read thug, and the ultimate affirmative action employee.

    That is why I so badly wanted Newt Gingrich (not our resident buffoon) to debate Barack Obama and expose him as fundamentally a lightweight.

  71. Tex, you are blinded by your own bias.

    Prove me wrong. Show me examples of Obama’s immense intellect you rubes, dolts and inane speak. In addition to has massive failure, and there is no other way to fairly define BO’s performance, he lied about transparency, race, purple states, and about a million other things that weak people like you ignore and enable. YES WE CAN! stop the rise of the seas. 🙄

    You people are pitiful and helpless.

    BO IS FAILURE. Phenomenal failure – the worst President in U.S. History by a country mile. A disaster. A disgrace. Grossly incompetent and corrupt to his core.

    What you call bias, I can reality. But I wouldn’t expect anyone of you profound ignorance to understand. Ashes to ashes…

    Can you give me a CORPSE man, Newt? How about a shout out while mass murder had been committed at Ft. Hood. Cinco De Cuatro? Can you speak the Austrian language?

    The man BO is pizazz and without substance or depth. And you keep company with him.

  72. I just find it strange you didn’t know what President Obama read prior to the 2008 election, that information was out there, guess you just weren’t interested. And no I’m not going to bother to do your homework for you.

  73. Dinesh D’Souza, wrote “Obama, the Anti-Colonist” to explain Obama’s motivations. The president’s sending Winston Churchhill’s bust to England puzzled some observers at the time, but Soura understood. His grandfather would have done the same thing, because he had endured colonialism in India at the hands of the British.

    Soura explains himself in “Dreams From My Father.” Obama’s father was an anti -colonialist, drunken, multiple- wife beater who was one of a group of revolutionaries who received western educations in preparation to running Kenya after the British were expelled.

    Communists and socialists raised Obama. They instilled the same anti-colonialism Obama believed he should share with the father who abandoned him. He adopted his father’s view that capitalism is a code word for economic plunder. He grew to believe our economic and political system was a neo-colonial instrument to steal resources from poor nations.

    He gave tacit approval for the Scots’ release of the Lockerby bomber because Obama recognized him as an instrument of anti-colonialism.

    If D’Soura is right, Obama is a dangerous man, not because he is incompetent, but for his plan.. . He knows what he is doing. His goal is to reduce the United States to a third world socialist country as penance for our sins.

    I don’t know if D’Soura is right or wrong, but if we knew his theory to be true, what would we do about it?

  74. The John Cleeze piece is funny “because its true.’ He might have added the Welch who are some of my ancestors. When we entered a store, they spoke English to us. When a bloke came in, they reverted to Welch. The Scots had brutal words for the English too.

    Someone wrote in the comments section of a blog that Europeans have an advantage over the Americans. Europeans have roots extending back for hundreds or thousands of years, while Americans were cast adrift with few connections to the past.

    On the other hand, our ancestors mutual bigotry and pugnacity was diluted by mixing and losing close contact with the homeland.

    Cleeze might also have mentioned the “Second Viking Invasion.”According to a British newspaper, Scandinavians are buying British property to escape high taxes at home.

  75. James, you are totally off base this morning spreading bullshit like that. What right did you have the day before President Obama was inaugurated that you don’t have now? Too much Rush for you!

  76. Tough! You should buy insurance because those of us with insurance are tired of paying $28 for a box of tissues at the hospital to pay your bill or to paying higher and higher insurance premiums, because the hospital is forced to charge our insurance company more than our actual cost.

  77. Well Newt. what about the gazillion of us that are paying much higher insurance premiums now because of Obamacare? Too much PMSNBC, Media Matters for you.

    Obamacare will now cost by the latest estimate, and they keep going higher, $2.6 trillion over the next decade. That’s three times higher than the initial estimate, by liars, for liars.

    http://www.npr.org/2012/07/12/156659733/weekly-standard-obamacare-cost-estimates-rise

    And only a moron believes that is a good deal with a spectacularly failed government involved in the process to boot.

    I’ll bet you’re single, aren’t you. Single women always have the worst taste in men, explaining why they love BO.

  78. I’m not spreading anything worse than the Demcorats are telling us about their opponents. I am following the rules progressives set a long time ago.

    I don’t know if D’Soura is right or not, but he describes a pattern I saw before Obama was elected. Unlike the press, I did some research in October, 2008. Obama is a socialist with narcisistic tendencies. He joined a socialist party for Pete’s sake. This was all predictable, and I made the prediction to Honolulu Sal on the H&M blog within a couple of months after the election. We were always friendly and agreed time would tell.

    Others reacted with emotion similar to yours. Yet, over the next year or so, when I temporarily left, I delighted in reminding them of developments with ” “I told you so.” Then, I reminded them I wouldn’t be around for a few months to read their reactions.

    I told you before, I don’t trust authorities. Rush had nothing to do with my conclusions. I reach mine the hard way, through observation and remembering.

    We know the Democrats willingness to sacrifice American and Iraqi lives for political gain is a fact. We also know many of them subscribe to a socialist philosophy, and we know Obama cared more for his legacy medical insurance program than he cared about helping create an atmosphere which would foster private job creation.

    D’Soura didn’t add much we don’t already know. His contribution to the discussion was possible motivation.

    Tex and others have lambasted Obama as an incompetant boob. Maybe he is, but what if he isn’t? What do we do if Obama has a plan?

    I’ll tell you what gives me the right to say this. Everything from “Borking” to the disgusting lies people wrote about Sarah Palin’s family, the Arizona shooting, the gang rape fantacies applied to Wisconsin’s lieutenent governor and much more BS give me the right to spread whatever I please.

    So, what do we do if Obama our country is changing according to Obama’s plan? I feel no ill will toward you, but I do for the people who are ruining this country.

  79. James @83 ” I am right about this. More than half the voters can’t even make change”

    Exactly my sentiments. Many accountants can not understand tax records of that caliber much less IRS agents so why would one think the “voters” are capable.

    You are right James. I was at a farmer’s market and a teenager was manning the booth and she literally could not make change for a $3.50 item out of a five.

  80. James, one would hardly expect to see a saving in their medical insurance yet, we are still paying for the deadbeats without insurance. Let the the Affordable Care actually start, before you blame it for the high cost of medical insurance, I think you will be pleasantly surprised to see you insurance rate go down, that is the whole point, and the reason Republicans used to be for it. Including the godfather of Obama Cares. Some policyholders will be getting a rebate for the amount their company overcharged them very soon, maybe one will be you! I suspect your blue eyed relatives in Sweden, Norway, whatever are Socialists. Socialists are not Stalinists, so quit going all nut-so, makes you sound like some kind of weirdo.

  81. “we are still paying for the deadbeats without insurance.”

    Then I take it you are for securing our borders and expelling all illegals?

  82. The Boston Globe broke this story today, Mitt Romney stayed at Bain 3 years longer than he stated

    Firm’s 2002 filings identify him as CEO, though he said he left in 1999
    Maybe it isn’t too late for Ron Paul to be your nominee.

  83. @104 Newt you are one naive individual.
    As for Obama’s reading list. here not really that impressive or surprising.I will say that even if he did read them all cover to cover I don’t see where he did anything to challenge what is generally accepted as the worldview he holds.
    Poolman my earlier wasn’t purely,if at all,aimed at you. Maddow is so full of shit it is shocking. She isn’t a counter to Fox she is simply the Lefts version of Fox. For a follow up she dare to care about the MAGOP. Where the hell is her angst that the MADems fully accepted a non-MA selected candidate (Fraudahontas)Warren and then denied the voters a chance to hear a competitive campaign and vote in a primary. crickets….
    As for you later comment w/Reich linkage. Although I don’t share the outrage secondary to not being surprised or offended that entities that created something manipulated it. Still I agree that the economy would be well served if banks were re-regulated ala Glass-Steagall thus giving folks the “safe” banking experience in column A and the venture/commerce banks in column B.
    And again Newt you really are naive to the point of idiocy. The ACA was a sellout. It was never meant to lower rates. The capitalism of it simply does not allow it. Most folks rates have all ready INCREASED due to ACA points. This doesn’t count what is still to come,again no mechanism of savings are to be expected. This doesn’t even look to the non-healthcare indirect impacts on the economy at a time when we are economically screwed.
    Your let’s get reamed and if we don’t like the reaming we can go to plan B is absolutely ignorance. What actually is plan B in your mind? A higher grade and amount of lubricant so as the reaming may then be pleasant?
    As it stands the PLAN should be to halt ACA,break it up,and put in effect piece by piece and/or toss to the trash heap piece by piece on a line item basis the thing.
    The all in one one size fits all plan A is a fail.

  84. Newt you’re just stuck on stupid aren’t you? You’re a great example of the people either party loves.
    In the case of taxes you just simply want the class envy angle. Fine just don’t play innocent if someone hammers a wedge issue you don’t like. Really…STFU ahead of time o.k.?
    As for the Globes earth shattering news. Nothing to see here folks since it is clearly in line with what has been a matter of record from the moment the line was created. I will admit that there is one potential aspect. The representation knowingly not reality could be grounds for the SEC to spank Bain although I doubt there is a complaint on file from any investor who feels harmed.

  85. ps….everyone here knows Romney is still making Bain money to this day right? There is an account for him as well as his wife. Blind trusts,but still Bain+Romney still = $$$$.
    So what though!

  86. Don’t think tissues will be cheaper after the new “health care’ act is fully implemented. It may be wiser to go back to local medicine men.

    I am very disappointed in the way the past 3 and a half years have progressed with this administration.

    The Obama I voted for was for single-payer health care. He was for closing Gitmo and ending the bogus ‘war on terror’. He was all about getting our troops home and repealing the Patriot Act. He was for transparency in government and reform of credit and banking institutions.

    Regarding these matters, I consider him a traitor. With the advancing drone program, TSA expansion and Homeland Security powers, the NATO aggression, and now the new trade agreements, I think he is evil and every bit the Trojan horse I mentioned here before.

    I would not support him. I do pray for him and his family, as I do other leaders. But he has long ago lost my trust.

    I do think Romney would be worse, as privatization and business take over and control everything we have established and deemed ‘good’. I don’t see him standing in the way of that unjust takeover.

    I am looking at the ‘fruit’ these men bear. Obama was mostly unknown during the last campaign. His fruit was not entirely revealed. Now the ‘fruits’ of his actions deem him as evil.

    Just as the ‘fruit’ in Romney’s past convict him to me. A bully in school. A person who will travel his pet on the luggage rack of his car. A cutthroat businessman. A chameleon when it comes to morals and conviction. A man whose own family members don’t fully support him.

    Ron Paul is the only one who has remained steadfast in his convictions and has an open record to prove it. His ‘fruit’ is good and he has the respect of those that know and work with him. He also is humble and places the message and movement above himself.

  87. Bull shit with your class envy crap! That talking point is over, it doesn’t sell to moderates or Independents. Just checked Drudge Report, I guess they don’t know what to do with the latest Romney story, yet, I cannot wait for the GOP Convention. I knew it was going to be fun, but it is really going to be fun, even better than the Republican Primary Debates.
    Alfie vote against your own self interest, I don’t care. My husband and I decided we are willing to see our taxes go back to the higher level if the tax cuts run out, that is far better for our country than further cuts in education, food for the hungry, and other essential services.

  88. Poolman, you play with the hand you are dealt, that is what President Obama did, I was for universal healthcare too, but it never would have passed Congress. I understand you have moral reservations concerning drones, but are you aware the Churchill attacked the French fleet in 1940, killed 1200 French, rather than have the Nazis gain control of the fleet. It is not a pretty world and world leaders’ have to make tough unpopular choices sometimes.

  89. The education system is broken. It just doesn’t work. I say cut it completely. We need to take on the responsibility of raising the next generation ourselves, instead of turning that very important task over to the state as we have for the past 150 years. It was a mistake then as it is today.

    The public education system is designed to produce complacent worker bees. Now that the work has migrated overseas, it only produces apathetic followers and leeches. Graduates are unprepared for real life and often have been indoctrinated with falsehoods perpetrated by nationalist revisionists.

    I have had to relearn much that was ‘taught’ to me in my youth.

    Communities and churches would provide for the hungry before the state was awarded the task. Another result of shirking responsibility. It does not help anyone gain self confidence or become self-reliant. Just the opposite. I know so many folks that receive ‘disability’ from the state. The state is the most inefficient means of delivery. I would venture to say a third of the benefit is gained from the investment, whereas before the entire benefit would be realized.

  90. A man whose own family members don’t fully support him.

    You mean Rand? oops.
    Only because this bit of disinformation really tweaks my cherries. It was a purpose built rooftop carrier and Seamus loved it.

    On a more serious note poolman I do sense and sympathize with your feelings regards where you feel you are stuck. No matter what has and will transpire between us know I honestly fully support you and others holding Paul signs in November,writing him in and no matter how it plays out I hope you still have a voice on 1.21.13. I’d prefer if you all would break away and create a third party,even if that crushed the GOP for decades to come I’d be cool with that.

  91. Poolman, you play with the hand you are dealt, that is what President Obama did

    We all play with the hand we are dealt. Obama changed the game. The cards he was showing were not the ones he played. He switched the deck and this one contains marked cards. There is no way to win, unless you are in on the scheme.

    I choose to fold and call for a clean deck.

  92. Trust me newton my self interest is firmly ensconced within a Romney victory.
    You talk a lot of glib talk but when the rubber hits the road you have nothing but the status quo. Heres the thing. the country NEEDS change. The system is broken in many places. Four more years of the same isn’t gonna work.
    @ poolman 114…not to get all gushy on you but that is hands down the best comment you’ve ever laid out here.

  93. You mean Rand? oops.

    I watched the Hannity announcement and there was definitely tension there. I think it was coerced. He has avoided talking about it when confronted. If you think it was an act of free choice, I don’t think you are being honest.

    Seamus loved it.

    Dogs do put up with a lot. They often live to please. I don’t know whether ‘loved’ is the proper verb here. We know he survived it.

    Third parties have not fared well in this country. There is already a Libertarian candidate. Dr Paul has determined to work within the GOP to try to get it back on its original ‘track’, one it has strayed far from.

    If Dr Paul does gain the nomination (still a possibility), would you support him?

  94. You’re a great example of the people either party loves.

    I think this is a very key point. Ive noted that the Leftists are more interested in finding anything to substantiate their beliefs in their flawed ideology than they are to seeking any kind of truth. This is why it is almost impossible to have a reasoned discussion with a Leftist. The truth is only useful as long as it serves them.

    My husband and I decided we are willing to see our taxes go back to the higher level.

    Whats the point if we can never tax enough to pay the bill?

  95. Yes poolman, by all means let’s emulate third world nations. Who needs an education, America the new Haiti, is that what you want?

  96. Quote of the year:

    “Apparently, I am supposed to be more outraged with what Mitt Romney does with HIS money than I am what Barack Obama does with MINE.

  97. Yes poolman, by all means let’s emulate third world nations. Who needs an education, America the new Haiti, is that what you want?

    America is on its way to being the new Haiti WITH the current system we have. A little more voodoo economics and we will be there.

    I think we each need to take back the responsibility of raising the next generation. We have been actively doing this in our community on a small scale.

    Face it, the state has failed. Or it has been successful in achieving its real end goal. It depends on whose protocols you follow.

  98. Yes poolman, by all means let’s emulate third world nations. Who needs an education, America the new Haiti, is that what you want?

    How dumb does a person in this country have to be to not recognize the U.S. public school system is broken? The Anti Newton – where gravity doesn’t work and you float amongst the smog.

    Damn Poolman, keep it up. You’re on a roll, man. I never thought I’d be seeing you school somebody. 😆

  99. Is that the same voodoo economics that created$17 trillion dollars of new wealth?

    An utter and complete buffoon, we have inherited here. Makes the Yeller Dawg look almost lucid.

  100. Poolman do you remember the origin of the phrase “voodoo economics?” That is the phrase George H W Bush used to refer to Reaganonomics.

    I do recall its use. But Haiti is more associated with the real practice of voodoo. The fractional banking system combined with our house of cards economy emulates those same evil manifestations.

  101. The national debt has now increased by more than $64,000 per federal taxpayer since Barack Obama was inaugurated president.

    There’s one saving grace of this abysmal failure named BO. We can sleep securely knowing Newt and her Lover are $128,000 poorer for three plus years of Obama troubles.

    Buwahahahaha. Her day of reckoning draws near.

  102. Newt, Scandinavian nations and Finland are successful societies socialists cite as proof their theories are superior to private enterprise. Look closer, and you will see the simplistic scenario is wrong. Scandinavia can barely afford its welfare structure because if fosters private enterprise unencumbered with rules which stifle job creation in other European nations and increasingly, the United States.

    Stefan Karlsson wrote a good article about Sweden in 2006. Sweden became one of the world’s richest countries, in part because it sat out WW11. It became a socialistic welfare state from the fifties to the seventies. Government spending soared about 90%. At one time, the top marginal tax rate was 102%.

    Astrid Lingren, author of the Pippi Longstocking series wrote a satirical story about how the more she earned, the less she kept. She noted the hyprocritic attitude of the ruling class and their modes of escaping what the rest endured. Her story caused a Tea Party like reaction which sent the ruling party out of power.

    The new government dumped most of the socialism with drastic reforms, including selling government monopolies, while cutting taxes, and welfare expenditures. Private enterprise was encouraged and incentivized. The Swedes combined Tea Party concepts with welfare statism.

    They prospered because of their small homogenious population and because they unleashed the private sector. Denmark has been rated one of the most economically free nations in Europe, because they had similar policies..

    Norway has another story. They have oil which helps pay the bills. Finland was named by Newsweek to be the most liveable nation in the world, i think. They have one of the best educational systems in the world and a strong business community. . The Scandinavian countries also helped create our cell phones.

    Their people tolerate the taxes, because they have jobs and can start businesses with relative ease. However, they complain bitterly about taxes and the welfare state when they are not bashing each other. . An anti -immigrant movement is growing. Many natives think the newcomers are freeloaders. Last fall, Finland nearly blocked EU aid for Greece, Spain, and Italy for the same reason. Why should provident northerners subsidize proflagate countries who spent themselves into poverty?

    A British newspaper reported the new Viking Invasion. Scandinavians tired of high taxes are investing money in countries with lower tax rates. A favorite is farm land.

    I could tell you about Estonia, another country which shares genes and a language family with Finland.Paul Krugman criticized their Tea Party like austerity program, and they told him to go where it is warm.

    We are entering territory the Swedes occupied in the 1970’s They were stagnating until more conservative heads prevailed. They are more welfare than socialist. Blond blue-eyed folks “rule.” Ha!

    I haven’t even mentioned Latvia yet. I will if you want.

    I don’t care if I sound weird, because I am right. That’s what I care about.

  103. “sometimes I wonder how you can keep a straight face.” Rutherford apparently is blessed with as much will power as some of us.

    If I wasn’t willing to use hyperbole and overstatement, I’d run screaming from the room on days when the idiocy runs deep..

  104. Ragi, our technology is creating a trend in which people won’t even be able to write their own names. How will sales people and others cope in power outages?

  105. There is poetic justice of a sort. Pretty interesting article. These young dupes that thought Obama really groovy and couldn’t wait to vote him, are the same dupes who will be paying disproportionately out the wazoo for Obamacare.

    I’m going to have a wet dream if Newt is one of them. 😈

    Votes have consequences, kiddies. And I’m not feeling real sympathetic for your plight. Keep reminding yourselves how cool Obama was, as Presidente El Bongo shoves it up your tight,unemployable bungs…

    http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/11/the-real-class-warfare-baby-boomers-vs-y

  106. New evidence for when Romney really left Bain Capital.

    “As Fortune wrote earlier, Romney left Bain suddenly — rather than as part of an organized transition plan — after being asked to lead an Olympic organizing committee that had spiraled out of control. Moreover, it was unclear in February 1999 if Romney’s leave of absence would be permanent, or if he would return (as he had in 1994, after losing a U.S.Senate race to Ted Kennedy). He didn’t formally give up his title and firm ownership until 2002, once the Games had been successful and he was interested in other elective office. In the interim, he continued to fulfill legal obligations such as signing certain documents — but actual investment and managerial decisions were being made by others.”

    “But the contemporaneous Bain documents show that Romney was indeed telling the truth about no longer having operational input at Bain — which, one should note, is different from no longer having legal or financial ties to the firm.”

    http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/07/12/mitt-romney-bain-exit/?iid=SF_F_River

  107. That editorial nails it Tex. And your right, the young are too distracted by bread and games.

    I brought up the generational thievery to Rutherford the other day and he said it was the young’s duty to take care of the old.

    Bany boom vampires and young bleating sheep. Jokers to the left of me…

    I was thinking the other day that age restrictions on elected officials should be eliminated if the typical scheme is to rob young people. Classic taxation without representation.

    Hey Newt. How old are you?

  108. James @ 133 How will sales people and others cope in power outages?

    They can’t cope now! Good example was the latest storm in the East.

    Poolman, regarding the dog and the luggage rack: What is the difference in a dog in a crate on the luggage rack versus a dog in the back of a pick-up truck which should be in a crate? Our dogs loved to travel with noses to the wind. I cringe when I see dogs hanging their heads out of car windows.

    Newt, the Obama campaign has a little egg on their face as they jumped to soon on the Boston Globe expose.

  109. Regarding the Maddow video at 58, my most eloquent assessment Poolman is that that is some f*cked up sh*t.

    Hey, you think there is a decent chance of a major convention conflict in August in Tampa?

    P.S. Yes, the bartender is back. Good to be back home.

  110. watch your back and make sure everyone washes their hands!

    Well I inadvertently got way more protection than I bargained for because like a fool I let it slip to the nurse that I tested positive for MRSA on my Feb trip to the hospital. At that point, I was immediately labeled “in isolation” and everyone who came in my room had to wear gloves and a smock (including my wife). It pissed me off but then I realized it was probably for the best because not only were they “protected” from me, I was protected from them. 🙂

  111. I have to laugh as Tex calls liberals rank propagandists. I watched a good six hours of Fox yesterday in the hospital. There was hardly a minute when there wasn’t some snide comment about Obama, or a story with a hint of “those bad Democrats”. The capper for the evening was probably Hannity chatting it up with Michelle Malkin. Malkin is the Janeane Garafolo of the right on steroids. Her natural facial expression is a smirk. Every sentence that comes out of her mouth is soaked in anger. I don’t know if it’s the pit bull phenom …. you feed someone ground glass and they become nasty. Was she treated badly BEFORE she became an insufferable shrew?

    I’ll say this Tex, watching six straight hours of Fox truly scared me because SOMEONE is lying and I honestly no longer can tell which side it is. It shouldn’t be THIS hard to get at the truth. Alternating MSNBC with Fox is like spending time on two different planets.

    P.S. However on the intellect factor … sorry MSNBC beats Fox hands down. I haven’t seen so many “dese dose” types on TV in one place in my life. Their sense of humor on Fox is low brow and immature. Hannity’s shtick is to throw a football during his show. Everyone is trying to desperately to be American.

    F*ck, I compare Alex Wagner’s noon show with The Five on Fox, it’s like comparing an Ivy League debate team to a team of cheerleaders and jocks. There’s no way that consistent viewing of Fox doesn’t dumb you down eventually. 👿

  112. Good call, R. Don’t game the system; it’s hard enough dealing with people who are honest. There are three people you tell EVERYTHING: Your lawyer, your doctor, your accountant, in order of importance.

    NOT your wife, by the way; confession is not good for the soul, no matter what they say. Some things in your past you should just keep to yourself.

    So very well said by the sexiest woman on the planet, Carly Simon:

  113. Welcome back Rutherford!

    Ragi, we noticed the same thing after the Omaha derecheo in 2008.Some stores operated by flashlight, and clerks had to use a paper and pen to figure change.

    A dog on a motorcycle isn’t reckless endangerment to me. We rural folks are used to that sort of thing.

    The Obama campaign with some egg on its face after prematurely biting on the Boston Globe story shows they are like hungry fish desperate to grab anything on the hook.

    I agree dead rabbit. However, my wife and I are not baby boom vampires. I wouldn’t have to take Social Security at 70 or even 80.

    Nebraskans are wondering if there will be a convention battle at their state convention.

    Poolman, Obama used to do drugs. That was definitely illegal.The “youthful indiscretions cancel each other out.

  114. Rutherford, Michele Malkin is Filipino, not Japanese. Our son-in law is Filipino. Our daughter-in law is Korean. If you confused her with a Japanese person, she would hunt you down and make a lamp shade out of you. I don’t know how Filipinos regard Japanese.

  115. You hate Michelle Malkin for the same reason you hate most Conservative women – you’re terrified of them and they abhor President Abject Failure like I do.

    Newt and Helen are your kind of women.

    Michelle makes you cabal sound like dumbasses and fools, and she does it with a nasty tone. My kind of woman. I think every leftist should be treated and talked to that way. The world would be a much better place.

    I’d like Malkin to have a go with you and someone like Rachel Maddow to watch you two cower like a beaten dog when she was through with you. 😛 That makes my heart flutter just thinking about it.

  116. Rutherford, my old MRSA carrying friend.

    That fact you can read Pfesser’s quote in 122 and still not determine which side is telling the truth, says it all.

    I have to remind myself your qualities which I have determined make me like you don’t include sense.

  117. Tex –

    You lucky dog – I had forgotten how relaxing it was to have time to do some things for myself. I am really enjoying my “time off” so far. My son and I are learning some plumbing as we lamely attempt (in 100 degree heat) to plumb our free “solar hot water tank” I got from my sister last month. (PEX water pipe is da bomb, by the way – that’s teenager talk.) Finally wading through my deskful of papers. Looking at applying for a “medical inventing” fellowship at Stanford next year. Learning to fly the model aeroplanes that have been hanging in my garage for a decade. Pursuing my poor wife at every opportunity (It is amazing how much being depressed at your job also depresses your libido – I think she may have mixed feelings about all my “free time,” LOL) Laying plans to butt-f*ck the Evil Empire; it doesn’t get better than this.

    Yee hah!!!

    What kind of stuff are you into?

  118. Mowed the yard, replaced a right triangle on some trim on the house (which I screwed up the first cut because I had forgotten basic Trigonometry – sheesh, hung and primed, and will clean the kitchen floor tonight before Mom gets home tomorrow. Take the Mick for a walk, watch Rambo IV (I think it is on), and bullshit on the internet some more with my pals, making fun of liberals in the process.

    Oh, and got my new faucet in the mail to install next week, which I will also install a new spigot at the same time, saving me about $300.00 of plumber bills in the process.

    I probably don’t have your means, but we ain’t poor either. Ain’t too bad, is it? 😆

    Now you know why I haven’t been in a huge hurry to return to being a toe sucker for some turd to receive a paycheck.

    It don’t take too much money to make me comfortable. When the mower breaks or the faucet leaks, I just go buy another one.

    Been doing it for almost three years now.

  119. Hell, it’s like what happened in ’95. The taxes had just gone up again, reimbursements were down – again – and I was bored out of my skull. So I took some time off, played with my kids, went back to engineering school, farmed, visited friends and family. Like you, it doesn’t take a lot of jack to keep me happy.

    What the collectivists don’t understand is that it ain’t as simple as, “We ‘need’ THIS much money, so we’ll just raise taxes.” People who have something on the ball REACT to shit like that, and just quit work. Beyond a certain point, raising taxes cuts revenue. Funny concept, huh?

    My income was so low that I didn’t pay taxes for eight years, and my employees were just out of work – that’s how it goes. Now, facing increasing taxes and the oppression of Obamacare, I’m doing the same thing again.

    They just never learn, do they?

  120. Rutherford, you ever notice you never take any accountability, like your apprentice newt? How do you talk about your side being a propaganda machine? By giving points that you are not? By defending your side? No you ignore what your side does, and focus on what the other side does.

    Showing, or thinking your showing, what the other side doe, does not show your side is innocent. Just sayin.

  121. Obama’s tax hike on anyone making over $250k would raise $850 billion over 10 years. That’s not enough to cover what he spent in one year alone

  122. People who have something on the ball REACT to shit like that, and just quit work. Beyond a certain point, raising taxes cuts revenue. Funny concept, huh?

    Sure does. And it gets even more complicated than that, Pfesser. For us, one of the justifications for my wife going with her job to Texas was that there is no state income tax. So we took advantage, and I assumed my wife wouldn’t hamstring me on the investment income. 🙂

    If I so much as go back to work in Oklahoma, and I haven’t run the numbers on this to absolutely confirm but I’m almost sure, my wife and I either would either have to file separately, or we would have to pay at a minimum about $15K a year to Oklahoma, no matter a majority of the money made in Texas.

    So my question is, unless I go back to a six figure job, what incentive do I have to subject myself to unhappiness and stress?

    So, I can’t go buy a luxury car anymore. A V6 3 year old Honda Accord with leather interior and an old truck I can throw my hound in is not a bad way to get around. I have 2,500 square feet to myself. I couldn’t be more comfortable if they put me in a palace. And I do want I want when I want.

    We made plenty of sacrifices in our marriage to get to this point and we never received ‘nuttin’ from anybody else. We never lived large, we spent an enormous amount of money to put our children in the best schools and that appears to have paid off, we never held much debt, our mortgage was 15 years, and we always placed 10% of our income in matching 401k which was matched by 9% corporate. We did that for 20 years.

    And it worked out. Will it for the future? No guarantees. But if we can’t live comfortably on $5,000 – 10,000 a month with little or no debt, then we are doing something terribly wrong.

    One day I thought, “would a million dollars change my life substantially? And it wouldn’t. But the one thing we all are limited by is time and that is something few of us treasure until too late.

    I plan on leaving my children something, but not make them millionaires. That is what their education was for. Assuming my oldest marries her doctor boyfriend, if two married doctors can’t make it on their own, then America is desperately in trouble. My youngest, I don’t know. But she’s going on to get her doctorate in Audiology, so surely she can make a living wage.

  123. That is why I so badly wanted Newt Gingrich (not our resident buffoon) to debate Barack Obama and expose him as fundamentally a lightweight.

    I repeat what I’ve said before … a great quote that I no longer remember where I heard it:

    Newt is the stupid man’s idea of what a smart man sounds like. 🙂

  124. LOL Newt I see you’ve been taking some heat in my absence. You’re doing fine … although a little common sense won’t take you too far among this crowd. 😐

  125. Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, the Wall! Got great seats and am just loving this! Show starts in 30 minutes. Awesome!

  126. The president’s sending Winston Churchhill’s bust to England

    More propagandist stupidity. He never returned the bust to England. He moved it to another room in the White House.

  127. 81 was Tex taking a piece from Raji so Noah you have Raji to thank. (See comment 80.)

    Need to put your gripey little, bony ass back to bed. You obviously need a bitch slappin’. You came to the right place. 😀 Your own blog.

    For a guy that supposedly smarter than the rest of us because he went to Ivy League, he understands racism, Faux News has the most uninformed voters (cough cough), and mainly because he watches MSNBC nightly, you might have read #95, Einstein. 😉

  128. Yesterday, I believed Romney’s monumental task would be convincing the American voters that he is honest, now it would seem he will have to convince the SEC he was honest back in the day. I wonder if the powers that be in the Republican Party (Koch brothers) are rearranging the deck chairs? Will it be a long hot interesting summer or will there be a July Surprise?

  129. now it would seem he will have to convince the SEC he was honest back in the day. I wonder if the powers that be in the Republican Party (Koch brothers) are rearranging the deck chairs?

    Is this loon for real? I knew she was dumb as hell almost from the first post, but it wasn’t until today I realized she might be stark raving mad too.

  130. Hey Rutherford. Is Newton some of intellectual power that watches MSNBC you always refer to? The informed and enlightened? Surely this is some plant – nobody could be this thick.

    You know, Margaret & Helen’s crowd are big MSNBC watchers too.

    Color me blown away with brilliance you associate with. You ever think about that as you make all these claims? The level of liberal brilliance that casts their feet onto your blog? 😆

    Did you see Politifact got busted for lying? Undoubtedly, you lefties are a hell of a lot more desperate than I had been realizing. The light bulb must be coming on that BO not nearly as popular as you clowns want everyone to believe, if I am to judge by the level of nonsense.

  131. Welcome back, Rutherford. I guess they can’t keep a good man down. I’m glad you made it through unscathed. 😉

    The economy here is much improved. The housing market has picked up again and the inventory of houses is the lowest it has been in years. I was talking to a realtor today that I built a pool for in 2006. She was one of the top sellers in the valley at the time. She says she has gotten very busy again after slowing down to a standstill.

    I had another realtor call me today and wants a pool for his new home. I’ve built two pools for him in the past in former residences with the last company I was working for. He says ‘basic’ this time, but I think that is how we started with the others and then he upgraded everything. We’ll see how basic it ends up. 🙂

    I have been on a few sales calls with clients having just purchased homes and heard them remark on how quickly the prospects were being snatched up. One couple missed 18 opportunities before they landed a house. Every one they liked was bought up before they could make an offer. They jumped on the 19th one the minute they looked at it.

    Gives me hope that we’ll be able to turn my MIL’s house rather quickly and maybe not take a loss for her.

    Our business generally trails the real estate market by a couple years. That means in two years I could be back to 03 or 04 busy. Right now my crews are booked and scheduling is about a week out. Not too bad if you know that going in. I have had them up to eight weeks out during the 05 and 06 boom.

    My youngest daughter wants to come back and work for me again. That’s cool. Soon I will be able to afford to let her.

    The difference in sales is most everything is cash now. Financing is still iffy.

    I’m still battling banks. I just left a lengthy message with my former mortgage holder who still owes me a grand. Their deadline was today. Hello, attorney general…

    I also filled my gas tank today and the cost per gallon was $3.16.

    Do I attribute the improvements to Obama? Nah. I don’t. But it will help his campaign, since most folks will attribute the improvements to his administration.

  132. Speaking of perception. They didn’t include this stuff in my school curriculum or in the broadcast news. Anyone familiar with the Montauk Project? It’s wild and fantastic.

    You’ve got to love a story that is stranger than any fiction but claims to be the God’s honest truth. What could be more fabulously outrageous than the idea that your tax dollars have subsidized the demented experiments of an evil cabal of Navy brass, CIA shrinks, fugitive Nazis and Reptoid ETs? What could be more fantastic than the vision of them pow wowing together for a little high-tech, tantric voodoo? How very spicy, that this panoply of government geeks and their alien pals fired up interdimensional vortexes by means of a buff, naked dude who was jacked into a psychotronic chair — while sporting a raging boner!

    Now, THAT’S entertainment. Laugh while you can, Monkey Boy but things will never be the same: They say the universe we call home is artificial; a mirror world that split off from the Original Universe when the Montauk Project started to go awry in the late 1970s.

    http://www.disinfo.com/2012/07/the-montauk-project/

  133. Newt or no newt, au contraire ma frere.

    The Boston Globe plagerized itself from Mother Jones and a Soros funded Talking Points writer. The Globe quoted a Jimmy Carter appointed former SEC commissioner on how bad this looked for Romney. She described herself as a “child of the New Deal.”

    Factcheck.org has a liberal bias, and it still says the story is wrong.

    First you misfired when you tried to trip me up with Scandinavia. Now, you have prematurely taken the bait of a plagerized hit piece disguised as a news story. And you thought I sounded weird?

    Romney may have to prove his honesty, but Obama is already a proven liar. Now whom do you suppose is rearranging the deck chairs tonight?

    Etre heureux!!!

  134. The big money guys, James. Going to take a lot to knock this story off the front page, so what that more than one newsperson or rather news organization is on the story. I see they are out there floating the idea of Condi Rice for VP, don’t think that will kick the legs out from under this story. Mitt is going to have to come clean.

  135. Years from now, historians may regard the 2008 election of Barack Obama as an inscrutable and disturbing phenomenon, a baffling breed of mass hysteria akin perhaps to the witch craze of the Middle Ages. How, they will wonder, did a man so devoid of professional accomplishment beguile so many into thinking he could manage the world’s largest economy, direct the world’s most powerful military, execute the world’s most consequential job?”

    “Not content to wait for history, the incomparable Norman Podhoretz addressed the question recently in the Wall Street Journal:
    ‘To be sure, no white candidate who had close associations with an outspoken hater of America like Jeremiah Wright and an unrepentant terrorist like Bill Ayers would have lasted a single day.

    But because Mr. Obama was black, and therefore entitled in the eyes of liberaldom to have hung out with protesters against various American injustices, even if they were a bit extreme, he was given a pass.’

    Let that sink in: Obama was given a pass — held to a lower standard — because of the color of his skin. Podhoretz continues:
    ‘And in any case, what did such ancient history matter when he was also articulate and elegant and (as he himself had said) ‘non-threatening,’ all of which gave him a fighting chance to become the first black president and thereby to lay the curse of racism to rest?’ ~ American Thinker.

  136. Gee Tex, I sure wish there was something I could say, that would help you sleep tonight. But no, I can’t think of a thing.

  137. Well gang, at this point I still have about 66 comments to get through and I got very little sleep last night in the hospital so I’m off to bed. I’ll hit some more comments tomorrow. (And damn, I’m behind in my sociology course too!)

    Once again, my hat’s off to Newt for being the lone liberal voice over the past 36 hours. In light of my one night stand with Fox news, some of the comments I’ve read tonight come right from that cesspool of paranoia (whether you guys watch it or not).

    My only solace is in the possibility that most of the country is not talking about any of this stuff and is simply going about their daily business. If I truly believed that every citizen was like me OR Tex for example, or me OR Noah, I’d be quite fearful for the country’s future. We cannot continue to be this ideological and polarized if we are to survive.

    Correction:The Churchill bust which was a loan from the British government was returned to the British embassy (not England itself) and replaced with a bust of that American traitor Abraham Lincoln. The following article speculates that Obama had some resentment for Churchill based on the latter’s oppression of Kenyans.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/4623148/Barack-Obama-sends-bust-of-Winston-Churchill-on-its-way-back-to-Britain.html

  138. My hat’s off to Newt or no newt too, Rutherford. You should be proud of her. Its not easy being a lone voice. She didn’t have much to work with, but that isn’t her fault.

    The Baine people threaten to evolve into birthers or truthers. So far, they have little evidence. Romney has more money than Obama at this time. He will use commercials to make a point that Obama is a liar and untrustworthy for his office. One commercial has already appeared in Iowa and Nebraska. It ends with Hillary in effect, asking if Obama has no shame.

    Your Correction about the Churchill bust supports the main premise of the Indian author who cited Obama’s attitude toward Churchill as evidence of Obama’s still extant anger over colonialism and his desire to change the United States.

    Using the word “traitor” with LIncoln implies a patriotic urge when Obama replaced Churchill’s bust with Lincoln’s, Unless you can prove the president’s choice was based on patriotism and not pique toward the UK Obama’s choice of a new bust has as much meaning as the fake Greek columns at the Democratic convention.

    One could even make the argument that Lincoln was a slap in the face toward the Brits because Briton traded with the Confederacy. Had the Union not been militarily successful, the British probably would have helped the South.

    One could make that case, but it would be as silly as repeating empty charges about the Baine affair until real evidence should emerge.

  139. poolman –

    I was just thinking – when you do a concrete pool, it doesn’t seem reasonable to use forms, etc. Do you have some kind of spray process for the walls and then finish it by hand somehow? Also, how do you handle leaks in pipes later on, especially if you have a drain at the bottom of the pool, which I think would be very difficult to get at? My plumbing project with my son has got me in a bit of a plumber frame of mind.

  140. Do you guys remember “Honest” Obe’s first act as President was to ride the train like Lincoln into D.C.? In hindsight, what a stain on our memories.

    Ironic that Obe has become the antithesis of Abe, huh? Incompetent, divisive, and the opposite end of the spectrum of achievement.

    It’s like the bench warmer envisioning himself Babe Ruth, and equally as pathetic. A legion in his own mind, with hoards of mindless groupies like Newton in tow.

  141. PFesser,

    Concrete is pneumatically applied to create the ‘shell’. It is ‘shot’ against the dirt and a form ‘hung’ at the top ‘lip’ called the ‘bond beam’.

    Google ‘shotcrete’. Dry mix ‘gunite’ used to be the standard, but is harder to work with. Dry mix gunite could achieve strengths that shotcrete cannot, upwards of 6,000 psi. Years ago we would ‘pour’ the floors and ‘shoot’ the walls. Though in El Paso where I began in the industry, we ‘hand-stacked’ pools.

    Pool piping is PVC nowadays and is pressurized throughout construction.

    It is rare to get an underground leak. Often if it leaks (at the main drain as you suggest), the leak is due to poor sealing against piping itself where it penetrates the ‘shell’.

    An interior finish is applied over the shell as a waterproofing and ‘smooth’ finish. That has to be applied around and against all penetrations. The most popular interior here is pebble. Google ‘pebbletec’ and select pebble sheen, and you can see the look.

    Stay tuned for the next lesson titled, ‘Set that tile level – water doesn’t lie’

  142. “The mistake of my first term – couple of years – was thinking that this job was just about getting the policy right. And that’s important. But the nature of this office is also to tell a story to the American people that gives them a sense of unity and purpose and optimism, especially during tough times.

    “It’s funny – when I ran, everybody said, well he can give a good speech but can he actually manage the job?

    The answer is no, you can’t manage the job. You couldn’t manage a Dairy Queen.

    Is the man kidding? All he does is give speeches. That’s all he did and all he will be able to do. If Barack Obama is anything, it’s that he is a grossly incompetent blowhard, hopelessly in love with his own voice of I I I, and Me Me Me.

    Give speeches? That’s the problem? He didn’t give enough speeches?

    😆 😆 😆

  143. From Betsy’s Page, Guy Benson wrote that the Democratic attacks have enough holes to sink the Titanic.”This is ridiculous on its face, of course, but if liberals want to say they believe, they had also acknowledge that Romney is a wizzard who can see the future and act accordingly.”

    I enjoy New or no newts’ amusement over the part of my heritage which is Scandinavian. Eivor-Trollabundiin on Youtube video sings a song about a wizzard who stole her soul with music. thor saw the video and liked it. Newt or no newt might like it too.

    A wizzard may be something to investigate. Maybe a wizzard has enraptured liberals and blinded them to anything the wizzard doesn’t want them to see.

    Poolman, I’m glad your business is doing better. We discussed some of your pool making techniques a long time ago. It is interesting.

  144. She isn’t a counter to Fox she is simply the Lefts version of Fox.

    This makes no sense to me. If Maddow is the left’s version of Fox, then she is a counter to Fox.

    MADems fully accepted a non-MA selected candidate (Fraudahontas)Warren and then denied the voters a chance to hear a competitive campaign and vote in a primary

    I thought Warren’s opponent(s) failed to get enough signatures to qualify for a primary contest. Where is the scandal in that?

    As it stands the PLAN should be to halt ACA,break it up,and put in effect piece by piece and/or toss to the trash heap piece by piece on a line item basis the thing.

    If I were a GOPher I’d opt for the second idea. In other words, stop all this stupid talk of repeal (which is just a way to politically assassinate Obama) and talk instead of voting down aspects of the bill that are unsavory. Remember, the general public does not like ACA but when polled on its more attractive features, they are very positive.

  145. Remember, the general public does not like ACA but when polled on its more attractive features, they are very positive.

    Virtually all of the Obamacare Mandated Health Tax is unsavory is the problem. What, extend coverage to 26 and eliminate pre-existing conditions? It was already 25 on most policies.

    We can certainly do both without government mandate and penalty.

  146. Just as the ‘fruit’ in Romney’s past convict him to me. A bully in school. A person who will travel his pet on the luggage rack of his car. A cutthroat businessman. A chameleon when it comes to morals and conviction. A man whose own family members don’t fully support him.

    I think there is some merit to everything but the last sentence. Poolman, why do you say he doesn’t have full support of his family?

    Pool, I think you’re fair to indict Obama on his foreign policy. But single payer just wasn’t going to fly with the GOPhers and the blue dogs. Only an act of &diety would have enabled Obama to pull that off. I think if we’re going to be specific, the tales of his sellout to big pharma are the ones for which he should be particularly held accountable. It could be argued that to implement universal health care, you need more than a community organizer. You need a bulldog like LBJ.

  147. His ‘fruit’ is good and he has the respect of those that know and work with him.

    I forgot to address this part. Poolman, honestly I think most of Ron Paul’s peers in the House consider him a tolerable crackpot. If I’m not mistaken, he actually has a lousy record of getting bills introduced that go anywhere. He makes his futile speeches to the House on C-SPAN (probably to a mostly empty chamber) and that’s about it.

    Look, I do understand his appeal. I love his foreign policy. But this dog just ain’t gonna hunt.

    P.S. Although for sheer entertainment value, I’d love nothing more than to watch a contested GOP convention in August. 🙂

  148. My husband and I decided we are willing to see our taxes go back to the higher level if the tax cuts run out, that is far better for our country than further cuts in education, food for the hungry, and other essential services.

    Bravo! The GOP alternative is to not give a damn about anyone but rich white men. Of course, if THEY do well, we all do well! 🙄

  149. The education system is broken. It just doesn’t work. I say cut it completely.

    That of course is nonsense. I fear what kind of society we would have if all children were home-schooled by their mostly ignorant parents. Teachers are there for a reason — they know the subject matter and can impart it to the kids.

    I also love this meme about at-risk people being cared for by “the community and the churches”. If government doesn’t have sufficient funds to help the needy, how do these funds magically appear for the “community” to use?

    What’s needed is a vibrant economy with as equal a playing field as possible so people CAN be self-reliant.

  150. It was a purpose built rooftop carrier and Seamus loved it.

    ROTFLMAO …. he loved it so much he crapped all over the back window! Alfie c’mon. I know Romney is your man but there has to be a limit to what you will defend.

  151. Whats the point if we can never tax enough to pay the bill?

    There’s an interesting flipside to that, Noah. Do you believe there will ever be a tax rate that the GOP won’t use as a political football? In other words, do you think there is a tax rate that the GOP would really be satisfied with? OR would they demand lower after they got lower? I suspect the latter.

  152. Apparently, I am supposed to be more outraged with what Mitt Romney does with HIS money than I am what Barack Obama does with MINE.

    Clever at first glance but logically flawed. Romney’s financial attitudes may speak to the financial posture he will advocate for America. For example, if a study showed that insourcing would reduce profits for American companies thereby hurting the GDP, would Mitt advocate further outsourcing, American workers be damned?

  153. honestly I think most of Ron Paul’s peers in the House consider him a tolerable crackpot. If I’m not mistaken, he actually has a lousy record of getting bills introduced that go anywhere.

    You are definitely a product of the media. Anytime an individual is feared, the ‘establishment’ labels him a crackpot. That has been successful tact for decades. You guys buy in every time.

    He just got a bill through to audit the Fed. Hopefully the Senate can be trusted. I can always fantasize…

    http://reason.com/blog/2012/06/27/ron-pauls-latest-audit-the-fed-bill-pass

  154. Poolman do you remember the origin of the phrase “voodoo economics?” That is the phrase George H W Bush used to refer to Reaganonomics.

    That is until Reagan picked Bush to be his ho and the rest as they say is history. 🙂

  155. Poolman, I fully agree with Cenk’s rant on Paul. Mind you, I didn’t say he was a crackpot — I said his peers think he is. And yes that is what happens when you buck the establishment.

    I’ve sat in shock as the MSM ignored Paul’s early successes in the nominating season.

  156. Obama is in it for himself. He doesn’t care about anyone but himself. He has campaigned more than any other President in history, more than all Presidents since Nixon combined. He is the epitome of what is a politician.

  157. I agree with Rutherford, Obama’s health insurance was a stealth single payer program. He said one does what one can do in reality, and Tom Harkin said the bill was only the beginning. They set it up so that more people will be forced to choose government insurance over the next twenty or thirty years.

    As for Romney’s bullying when he was in highschool, what about Obama’s. A socially isolated girl wanted to make friends with him. He told her to leave him alone and pushed her down. That is only one that he admitted to.

  158. Romney’s rep as a prankster is well known … I just didn’t know the extent (e.g. impersonating a police officer).

    I can just see him now repeating Reagan’s “joke” of “we commence bombing in five minutes” with respect to Russia. 😯

  159. Obama used to do drugs. That was definitely illegal.The “youthful indiscretions cancel each other out.

    Yeah but as the article pointed out, doing some drugs (pot in particular) in college is par for the course. Impersonating a police officer is not.

    I don’t find what Romney did “evil” in any way. More and more Romney is starting to resemble Homer Simpson with money.

  160. Raji, your article on POTUS takeover of communications IS scary if one takes it to some natural extremes (hello North Korea). But I’m envisioning this as on a par with the current Emergency Broadcast System which I believe the FCC requires every “over the air” station to test periodically.

  161. Bravo! The GOP alternative is to not give a damn about anyone but rich white men. Of course, if THEY do well, we all do well!

    Herman Cain was unavailable for comment. Oh, I forgot. He’s an Uncle Tom and little Black Sambo to boot.

    The same rich white men that formed the country, that freed slaves, and wrote the Constitution, that paved the way for marginal average ass to attend the Ivy League? I don’t see your little ass in a big hurry to move out, chump.

    You’re taking far more than your fair share of health care, black man. So why don’t we allocate that straight down – total dollars divided per capita and see how quickly you still want to be African?

    If you were African, you would be dead.

    Ventilator too much? Tough luck. Out of pocket, or your can choke on it. Your choice.

    How’s that sound? Here’s a big fuck you, pig.

  162. Rutherford, Michele Malkin is Filipino, not Japanese.

    James I’m confused … what did I say that led you to believe I thought Malkin was Japanese?

    Regardless of her background, she’s NASTY!

  163. Rutherford the dog was up there more times than the episode whence he was sick. The diarrhea was coming whether Seamus was in the car,on the car or home in the driveway. See you show how the story has been twisted and reality lost. The guy who wrote it and the Globe when they ran it saw it as a human interest angle to a larger know the guy story. It was no big deal until some pseudo PETA douchebag dusted it off to bash Mitt with it. Now it has twisted to the dog literally being strapped to the roof rack with shit streaming out of it all the way to the lake. Stop it!

  164. Thanks for the welcome back Tex. Hey I never said Fox would refuse a smart man a job … I’m just saying not many apply for work there. 😉

    Krauthammer, Greta and Chris Wallace are all people I have some respect for. Hannity is Lou Costello deluded into thinking he knows something about anything. 😆

  165. @ Rutherford 189. First off the Maddow comment makes perfect sense in the light that I abhor Fox and find it a crappy news entity. Maddow isn’t righteous greatness countering a shit pile. She is a shit pile too.
    Before Fraudahontas was crammed down the throat by outsiders there were six candidates. 5 of them bowed to concerted pressures to allow the anointing. 1 did not. The convention voted down a candidate who HAD the signatures. The convention chose not to allow a primary. The “back room” made the decision. The people were denied. Don’t get me wrong the candidate (whose name escapes me) would never have won,but that doesn’t mean democracy should be denied.
    As for the ACA well you are gonna get your wish and the sweet irony of it will be that the evisceration of ObamaCare will come via reconciliation.

  166. LOL … btw, a lot of libs are spinning this foolishness that Mitt wanted to get booed.

    I personally give Mitt major props first for showing up and second for not pandering. I was pleasantly surprised.

    Still I can’t stop chuckling about when Romney told the crowd, regarding his candidacy, “Take a look.” His choice of words cracks me up time and time again … he reads about “sport” on the “aircraft”. 😆

    I’m telling you if our country wasn’t in such dire straits I’d want him to be Prez just for the entertainment value.

  167. You keep up the GOPher stuff and I’ll be forced to just say the asses are x,y,&z. Just saying.
    As for the GOP position on tax rates. Ultimately the GOP wants either a wider flat tax or the absolutely stupid “fair tax”. I live in the former camp and so much so that I fight the latter tooth and nail.

  168. Newt and Helen are your kind of women.

    So far I love Newt … if we weren’t both married I might propose. 🙂

    If by Helen you mean of M&H fame, wow you couldn’t be more wrong. Anyone involved in running that cesspool is no friend of mine.

    Have you ever heard of the mythical vagina dentata? If any woman possessed them it would be Michelle Malkin. You’re welcome to her Tex. I hope you enjoy getting “chewed” by her.

  169. Both candidacies were in a no win situation with regards the NAACP. Romney had to go. Obama had to have scheduling conflicts and sent flakes instead. The flakes did a real good job making sure 28% of 12% of the national population stay in the category of house nigger though. Good show.
    Seriously if we could set the swayback machine back could I join Peabody and Sherman and have Obama use some of the Stimulus money to get people government issued id’s?
    Phoniest freaking line of bullshit flowing out of the asses of late.

  170. you might have read #95, Einstein. 😉

    LOL when I got to 95 I said “DOH!”

    My poor excuse — I read 99% of comments via email not in the thread itself and when I fall far behind I always risk answering a question that was already answered (or better answered) by someone else. In this particular case, I did scan a few of your subsequent comments to see if you’d set the record straight but I didn’t get as far as 95.

    Besides my comment wasn’t a slap at you, it was a predictable and premature slap at Noah.

  171. Obama’s still extant anger over colonialism and his desire to change the United States.

    This has never made sense to me. We were founded on an anger over colonialism. WTF????

  172. And the plot thickens…

    (The Miami Herald) — Records released Thursday show a federal law-enforcement agent accompanied George Zimmerman to his police interrogations, and FBI interviews did not turn up any sign of racial bias in the shooting of Trayvon Martin.

    The lead Sanford Police investigator who sought manslaughter charges against George Zimmerman told the FBI that a sergeant and two other officers tried to pressure him into making an arrest in the controversial case — even though he didn’t think there was enough evidence.

    Sanford Police Officer Chris Serino first made headlines when evidence released in the case showed he sought manslaughter charges against Zimmerman even while his chief publicly said there was no probable cause to arrest him. But a document released late Thursday casts doubt on Serino’s prior sworn affidavit seeking criminal charges, and raises questions about the credibility of the star law-enforcement witness in the murder case against Zimmerman for the shooting death of a black teenager, Miami Gardens high school junior Trayvon Martin.

    Telling the FBI that he was concerned that people inside the police department were leaking information, Serino cited Sgt. Arthur Barnes, officers Rebecca Villalona and Trekelle Perkins “as all pressuring him to file charges against Zimmerman after the incident,” an FBI report said. “Serino did not believe he had enough evidence at the time to file charges.”

    The summary of Serino’s statement does not mention the race of the officers who allegedly pressured him, but sources told The Miami Herald that Barnes and Perkins are black, and Villalona is married to an African-American man. All three, the source said, had been called in by their supervisor and questioned about leaking information in the case. . . .

  173. “She didn’t have much to work with, but that isn’t her fault.
    Not much to work with at all. I blame her parents.” LOL
    Admit it Tex, you like me!
    Thanks Rutherford!

  174. Ironic that Obe has become the antithesis of Abe, huh? Incompetent, divisive,

    Tex, I dare say early 1860’s Southerners found Abe incompetent and divisive. It’s all in the eye of the beholder ain’t it?

  175. Putting aside Olbermann’s quote, damn, look at those eye brows and that jacket! LOL

    P.S. Of course it is amazing how prescient Olby’s quote is …. the very description of Faux News. 😆

  176. I had completely put this out of my mind until I saw this.

    BainGate: Martha Stewart went to prison for lying to SEC

    “At a news conference announcing the charges against Ms. Stewart, James B. Comey, the United States attorney for the Southern District of New York, said, ”This criminal case is about lying — lying to the F.B.I., lying to the S.E.C., lying to investors.” Addressing a question that has long hovered over the investigation, he added, ”Martha Stewart is being prosecuted not for who she is, but because of what she did.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/05/business/prosecuting-martha-stewart-overview-martha-stewart-indicted-us-obstruction.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

    Thoughts?

  177. What, extend coverage to 26 and eliminate pre-existing conditions? It was already 25 on most policies.

    I call BS on the second comment until I see documentation. “Children” are no longer children after age 18 (21 at best) so I dispute your 25 year claim.

    You left out free health exams for children. And of course you conveniently left out extending coverage to all citizens regardless of employment (the goal albeit still not realistically achievable).

    In fact, the truth is the ONLY part of ACA that folks don’t like is the mandate and the nonexistent death panels.

  178. And the notion we can do both without government mandate on somebody (like the insurance industry) is pure poppycock. If we could, we would have already. Insurance companies are not there to help people pay their medical bills … they are there to make a profit. And that can’t be fixed without the government.

  179. R, glad to see you back. I don’t wish a night in a hospital on anyone.

    G, no one seems to have commented on it, but I for one am thoroughly jealous. Our “fossil tour” usually draws much smaller acts. The Moody Blues were awesome, though.

    Newt, you did well. Sorry I wasn’t around to deflect a little.

    PF, A grant from Stanford? And you deny the Leonardo comparisons? 🙂 And if you’re really going full plumber, remember to wear a belt or suspenders. Don’t want to “crack” any one up. 😉

    Alfie, I agree on the dog thing. If it had been suffering, his wife would have put a stop to it. Anybody that has taken a family road trip knows, Dad controls the wheel but Mom controls the car. 🙂
    On a more serious note, why do you think Romney is waiting to release his tax returns? (More than the one year anyway) Right now it’s a nothing, everyone is out at the lake. But if he waits much longer, it could taint his convention or VP bump.

    Poolman, up here, heating a pool is as big an expense as building one. Perhaps heating down there is not an issue but do customers ever employ solar to heat their pools? I envision tubes with water running above ground to gather heat and then running through the structure of the pool to transfer that heat to the pool water.

  180. Tex sometimes you take logical leaps that defy human biology. Your brain should really be preserved post-mortem and put next to Einstein’s, not cos you’re a genius but just cos you’re so “unique”.

    When did I ever say anything about being African? Herman Cain is proof that the GOP is not the party of rich white guys? That’s like saying Obama’s election ended racism in America. What foolishness.

    Here’s the skinny my Okie friend. People vote according to who they identify with. For some odd reason, a good number of white folk will vote for the most destructive policies for the middle class simply because they are under the delusion they could someday BE Mitt Romney. If Oklahoma is as you have described it, the average white guy in Oklahoma living pretty much paycheck to paycheck in this economy looks at a struggling black guy and says “I could never be him” even though he practically IS him. But he looks at Mitt Romney and says “ahhh, good for old Mitt, he is realizing MY birthright. I could be him.”

    The GOP knows this. They capitalize on it every chance they get by selling poor white folk on self reliance and “just ignore that banker who is sticking a broomstick up your ass. You’re not really being raped, it’s just an itch.”

    Now in fairness …. The Democratic party trades in despair and resentment. They know if they tell enough minorities that they have no role in their demise and that their troubles are just one Dem vote away from disappearing that a bunch of gullible black and Hispanic a$$holes will fall for it.

    Tex there are no honest brokers in this game. Hate on libs all you like but your party is dealing out the same poison … just a different food additive to make it taste different from the Dem poison.

  181. I just had a sick thought. Now that pre existing conditions aren’t in the mix, Rutherford doesn’t remotely pay in what he takes out. He’s being subsidized by those not born freaks. By the healthy. At least at Rutherford’s funeral we can all console one another with the piece of mind that a little weight has been taken off those struggling to support Rutherford. It is as if he is and will always be the burden of an elderly person on the system. Except he could tax our limited resources for years, God willing. Perhaps this isn’t the appropriate forum for this discussion. A panel of some sort would be more expedient. R, I’m on the dole too. You get used to it.

  182. Yeah but as the article pointed out, doing some drugs (pot in particular) in college is par for the course.

    Not really, but with your set of social standards, I am really not surprised to see you have this point of view. I would like to point out pot was part of his drug use but he frequently used much harder drugs. More than enough to make him a felon were he caught. But in your world I know he did nothing wrong, because he didn’t get caught. Selective ethics/morality does make life interesting.

  183. Alfie thanks for further elaborating on what went down in MA concerning Warren not getting primaried. Just as background, I kept complaining to my wife “why is the media treating Warren as the nominee when there hasn’t been a primary yet?” I said it repeatedly cos I was rather pissed off about it. Once there was no primary, I assumed everything was on the up and up.

    As for ACA being “adapted” via reconciliation, I don’t find that particularly ironic. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

    I now “get” your Maddow comment. Quality is counter to sh*t and you consider Maddow sh*t. Of course I disagree with you but at least your comment now makes sense to me.

  184. I love the line about polling the individual aspects of Obamacare. Its like getting a positive response when asking someone if they would like a new car. Of course the second question is omitted that deals with the price of said car. It’s settled then! The governemnt should force everyone to buy a car!

  185. Alfie … I’ve been saying GOPher for at least two or three years and suddenly you’re offended? It has a ring to it and is more pronounceable than GOPer. Besides, I don’t see particularly bad connotations to gopher. A lot better than tea-bagger. 🙂

  186. In retrospect, using stim for voter ids would have been a good idea. There is zero doubt that the subtext for voter verification is a GOP win at the ballot box. The people disenfranchised by these new regulations are not just coincidentally folks who typically vote Dem. Don’t take my word for it, just ask Pennsylvania House Majority leader Mike Turzai who copped to the entire cynical (and illegal) strategy in a public statement.

    http://www.salon.com/2012/06/25/penn_republican_voter_id_will_help_romney_win/

  187. Raji, Tigre made a comment a week or two ago about needing a “rest” from here so who knows, maybe he’s taking a sabbatical. With any luck that’s the only reason he’s not around. Hopefully he’ll be back soon.

  188. I DVRed “Morning Joe” this morning, just had a chance to watch it, I wanted to get a hint as to what the RHINO faction of the Republican Party thought of this Romney mess. Hope you all had a chance to watch today’s show. I can’t say, I’m surprised, does anyone here think Romney can be elected without their support? And what about that slam against the Mormon Church and their business empire on the cover of Bloomberg Businessweek? Will that be another problem for Romney’s campaign?

  189. G, I assume this was the show you went to last night:

    “TEAR – DOWN – THE WALL!”: Roger Waters, a founder of Pink Floyd, performed “The Wall Live” at the Verizon Center last night – a captivating show that unfolded like a magic trick. With the help of a production crew of 179, the wall was built, cardboard brick by cardboard brick, and blocked the stage by intermission. At the finale, the wall came tumbling down.

    –Front-row photos: http://bit.ly/Mp9eN9http://bit.ly/MlFENR … Kids point as they jeer: “We don’t need no ed-u-ca-tion. We don’t need no thought control.” http://bit.ly/NqiSS8

    (I got this from my daily newsletter from Politico.)

  190. Romney is giving interviews to CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, FOX, and MCNBC will appear in their nightly news, so you might want to watch or record. Personally, I don’t think, this will be enough, but we’ll see what he has to say.

  191. A panel of some sort would be more expedient. R

    The death panel right Rabbit?

    FWIW Rabbit, some have told me that my layoff being as close as it was to my tracheotomy was no coincidence … that I was considered too big a risk from both a work and insurance perspective.

    Now honestly, I kinda categorize that under conspiracy theories and don’t take much stock in it but if it makes you feel any better, my change in health for the worse might have gotten me kicked off my job thus lowering the burden on you and increasing the burden on my wife who now carries me on her insurance at great cost.

    On the “freak” meme, the funny thing Rabbit is that for the longest time I was actually one of the healthiest people I knew. Congenital disability be damned, I was never out sick from school and seldom home sick from work. Even with my recent breathing deterioration what is really killing me is the IBS. Without that, I could be a lot more active.

    During my annual checkup about nine years ago, the doctor told me “I’ve got patients coming in here looking a lot more “normal” than you who are probably going to be dead within the next year because they don’t take care of themselves.”

    I think it’s funny how many people equate permanent disability with poor health.

  192. Not really, but with your set of social standards, I am really not surprised to see you have this point of view. I would like to point out pot was part of his drug use but he frequently used much harder drugs. More than enough to make him a felon were he caught. But in your world I know he did nothing wrong, because he didn’t get caught. Selective ethics/morality does make life interesting.

    Why oh why do you delight in playing the patronizing, judgmental a$$hole?

    I’ve never smoked pot. Nothing moral about it … was afraid I’d choke on it … same reason I’ve never smoked a legal cigarette.

    I wrote a full article on how Trayvon Martin’s marijuana use diminished him in my eyes, so please don’t lecture me about my standards. When I was in college the guys who we shared a “fire door” with smoked grass. We smelled the smoke leaking under the door. I bet EVERYONE on this board has smelled marijuana smoke second hand at least. It’s not uncommon. It IS illegal and I don’t condone it. But it’s not uncommon and it sure as f*ck is more common than dressing up as a cop and pretending to arrest people.

    Obama experimented with cocaine. You got proof about frequency, feel free to post it. And sorry … if your source is Glenn Beck or Dinesh D’Souza I will dismiss it as nonsense.

    You know something Noah, if I look at the totality of comments made by most people here I can see that they all have some fun sometimes. G and his Roger Waters concert, Rabbit and his softball, Tex and his home repair, PF and his planes … I could go on and on. But dude, you don’t sound fun at all. You sound downright miserable.

    Go off topic for once and tell us something cool that’s going on in your life. At least give us a second dimension, damn!

  193. I wonder if Obamacare has further radicalized Pfessor’s take on abortion? Pfessor unapologeticly declares abortion is good because it eradicates people who are destined to be welfare niggas. I wonder if Pfessor would think it a good thing if people like you, R, were now aborted, since the burden has been transferred from your wife’s work to the entire country?
    Speaking of dead weight, what about the fat asses? Is a fat tax now much more reasonable to you libs? I know many of you are cool with the taxes on pop. However, you do realize the places that sell fried scrimps take food stamps. Fried scrimps be killing motherfuckers! Tax scrimps?

  194. Honestly, you don’t really experiment with coke. You either ride the rails or you don’t. I suppose somebody could do one line at a party. 90% chance the same person will do line two. 3. 4. 5.. After line two it ain’t an experiment amymore.

  195. The coke heads do coke till they run out of money. Never loan money to a coke head. They can’t help themselves. I’ve known quite a few. Coke never did much for me. A little rush like a couple hits of cheap speed, and I never liked speed.

    So for someone to say they experimented with coke… well, …technically every partaking is an experiment of sorts. Maybe the many flavors of coke were tested over time, or times and a half. It’s all nuanced.

  196. I call BS on the second comment until I see documentation. “Children” are no longer children after age 18 (21 at best) so I dispute your 25 year claim.

    I’ll tell you what, homie. I will personally give you my daughter’s name and medical school she attends and you can call and confirm that the school, like all medical schools, require their students carry health insurance. You can look that up and it will be right on their home page.

    And then I will send you a copy of my insurance verification with insured names on it – and a picture of the verification with me and my family names right here on this blog – if you’ll promise once confirmed, you get your mooching, lying, ingrate ass out of this country and not come back.

    United Health Care – 25, unmarried and full time student – COVERED by parent’s policy.

    And if I can’t provide that proof to you, I will swear on my children that I will campaign for Obama and put the largest sign of your choice in my yard with accompanying picture of me with it.

    Do we have a deal, Prick?

  197. At least at Rutherford’s funeral we can all console one another with the piece of mind that a little weight has been taken off those struggling to support Rutherford. It is as if he is and will always be the burden of an elderly person on the system.

    Poetic justice would be 10 years from now, that Rutherford is deemed “too expensive” for the system, and a panel of white liberal vote to permanently ‘ease his pain.’

    I’ll ask WordPress if they would grant me the liberty of penning Rutherford’s eulogy on his blog – a touch tribute to his Obama worship included, and what that bought him.

  198. For some odd reason, a good number of white folk will vote for the most destructive policies for the middle class simply because they are under the delusion they could someday BE Mitt Romney.

    Baloney. Name one. Everything you maggots turns to shit – and that is what destroys the middle class. Millions of helpless, ingrate and helpless bums that have destroyed public schools, their neighborhoods, even their own families.

    For instance, we have no doubt 95% of blacks. the most racist and corrupt demographic segment in modern American history, will vote for a series of broken promises with the intent of gaming the system for what they perceive they can steal from unearned benefits.

    Save me Obama! Save me!

  199. Anti Newtonian standards

    5.5% unemployment under White President unacceptable.
    8.2% unemployment (actual 14%) under Black President new baseline.
    $400 Billion budget deficit under White President unpatriotic.
    $1.4 Trillion budget deficit under Black President? Blame White President.

    But let’s debate Bain Capital some more.

    After all, Obama is known liar and that needs to be overlooked.

  200. @ Rutherford I’m really really really cranky this month. Serious;y thought there are just so many things anyone can take and I’ve finally had my fill and not just here @ RLB.

  201. Rutherford, my point about youthful pranks still stands. Both were illegal.

    These pranks were also illegal. Some of us impersonated a dead man and drove a hearst through town. When I was in college, we forced a police car into a ditch. We were detained for two hours and nearly arrested. On another occasion, we drove through town between two fire trucks at 85 MPH. We were detained and nearly arrested after two other adventures.

    Homer Simpson is hilarious. I like it.

    Newt or no newt. We have been helping friends move today. I only saw the last half of the ABC news story about the Bain Capital controversy, so I am not a fair judge of what was said. In my opinion, Obama is lying. It is his modus operandi.

    If I am wrong, I will buy you lunch if we ever meet face to face. It could happen. I have met four liberal e- pals so far, and none of them has run away screaming.

  202. We knew something like Bane Capital would happen. Obana can’t run on his record. This is distraction. If it fades there will be another.

  203. Newt, you obviously have never been in a “you buy, we fry” store in the ghetto, have you. – DR

    Many years ago, I delivered pizza in the white ghetto of Spokane. We could take food stamps for pizza, but we couldn’t cook it and we couldn’t deliver it. That was before welfare reform. I guess the rules have changed.

  204. Obama experimented with cocaine.

    In my part of the hood we called them users.

    You got proof about frequency, feel free to post it.

    I forget the exact wording but your Messiah said something to the effect that his college days were a drug induced haze.

    And sorry … if your source is Glenn Beck or Dinesh D’Souza I will dismiss it as nonsense.

    This is something I have asked you about before and you have yet to have the integrity to answer. Let us see if things have changed.

    1. Why does the source matter?
    (A) Why is the source more important than the information presented?

    I ask because your normal MO is to make an insult to the person presenting the information then either no response or nothing of substance to the information presented. The information could come from Fox, ABC, NBC, hell it could even come from you. Shouldn’t we care more if it is true or not, and bust on the source ONLY if it is found to be fabricated or a lie? I think its a defense mechanism personally.

    Why oh why do you delight in playing the patronizing, judgmental a$$hole?

    The most important for last. Because of your obvious double standard. You have one set of rules, beliefs, expectations, and conduct for the things you support, and a completely different set for everything else. You make mostly meaningless concessions and use that as evidence that you are fair, but when it comes to something that actually matters, your true colors show. If you cannot bother to be honest across the board, then I will always assume the worst of you.

    Go off topic for once and tell us something cool that’s going on in your life. At least give us a second dimension, damn!

    In the last 9 months we have lost 3 kids (one my niece, 2 others in our neighborhood) to an unknown virus in the brain. Our property manager’s 3 yr old granddaughter is in a drug induced coma after suffering a stroke Monday due to a currently unknown virus in her blood system. She has had, as of today, 2 infusions of white blood-cells. Today my mother was diagnosed with cystic fibrosis. She is in the final 6 months to a year of her life. As it is genetic condition, my children and myself are susceptible.

    7 years ago, my sister married what we thought was a nice young black man from Alabama. They moved to Michigan, had 3 kids. Then 2 years ago, told my step sister about his 2 other kids, all younger than his 3 with her, ending in divorce. Last week, her 13 year old son snapped, and beat the hell out of my step mom who was trying to enforce a punishment he had received from his mother, (my step mom is 66yrs old) breaking 4 of her ribs. He is currently in a juvi home, while the state considers what charges they will press.

    As you might imagine, mortality has been on my mind of late. What I will contribute and leave behind has been in my thoughts a great deal. I am ashamed of myself for my selfish desire to have children because of the world I am bringing them into.

    To be frank, I blame the far left in this country. Not so much liberals, but the left. Economically, morally, our country is bankrupt. Things we have traditionally held as sacred and true are constantly under attack. Getting us to constantly question the things we already knew were right and true. To put in that seed of doubt to constantly keep us second guessing ourselves. It has undermined all of the things that made this nation great. My gut tells me it is too late to fix the damage that has been done.

    Knowing you, I know you will consider this overly dramatic. Having kids I guess has a funny way of making one consider the bigger picture of the choices we make and the votes we cast. So forgive me if I don’t share in your lighthearted dismissal of the situation we face and the kind of future we are leaving for our children.

  205. James, about, “let’s debate Bain Capital some more,” I am sure we will, the story has not been put to bed by any means. If Romney wants to President, he will eventually realize he has to disclose his tax returns, I think we will find out that some of those years Mitt paid no taxes. But I am patient, nothing stays hidden for ever. And no, I am not aware of anytime that our President lied to us, the American people.

  206. I think we will find out that some of those years Mitt paid no taxes.

    What proof do you have that this is possible?

    And I am still wondering little miss if it is ok for Romney to follow your Messiah’s time table and release his tax returns in the same time Hussein released his birth certificate? I am betting it is your obvious double standard that is keeping you from answering.

  207. Newt I know you don’t like the class envy label but I find you wear it so well. Seriously newt why does Romney have to release anything beyond the two years mandated by law?

  208. Thor, these places sell fish. You can walk out with it uncooked. They offer to fry it for “free”. So its a loop hole.

  209. @ Nagic 266.

    I am sorry for the level of tragedy in your life.

    No jab. Honest. Perhaps you feel your efforts here are necessary, and if so, more power to you. But if it is some sort of escape, you might reconsider. I have seen some contributors here become quite bitter.

  210. Alfie, actually I don’t think there is any law that requires candidate Romney to release even one tax return, but candidates usually do, because it helps to put voters’ minds at ease. Remember how long it took all the other Republican candidates to drop out of the race, because until they either said the unfortunate things or ran out of funds, no one wanted Romney, finally he was all that was left and you guys settled. Well all except poolman. Now Romney has to convince the rest of the people, but it definitely looks like he has something(s) to hide. And no one believes he actually signed (and he did actually sign) SEC reports and business deals worth millions of dollars between 1999 and 2002. What businessman does that?
    Class envy? I haven’t disclosed my tax return here, how do you know I don’t fall into the wealthiest 1%?

  211. Nagic, that is the saddest thing I’ve read in sometime. I can’t bear to think about those little ones. Having a son that is about to turn three and an infant while also living in Michigan, I have to ask about this brain virus. There are no leads, no info on what this is? Would love more info, if your up to it.

  212. Perhaps you feel your efforts here are necessary, and if so, more power to you.

    My thought process works best through conversation and writing. This is as much an intellectual exercise as it is a search for answers.

    As of this writing rabbit we have no idea. I don’t have any memory before this year of hearing of this kind of viral attack. The kids effected with the virus were 16, 7, and 4. I know for certain an autopsy was done on the 16 year old but I have not heard anything on findings. In all three cases a coma was induced and they were not able to bring them out. The 3yr old girl that had a stroke is still in her induced coma and we are praying for a different outcome.

  213. How long ago was the first child afflicted Nagic? I know The Center for Disease Control generally react quite quickly on diseases like this, so the local doctors will know what they are up against.

  214. Honestly, you don’t really experiment with coke.

    Experiment might have been a poor choice of words. I don’t find it hard to believe that Obama tried coke and didn’t like it. It’s not that implausible. In fact it’s pretty damn plausible because from what I understand if you go beyond “trying”, you get pretty damn hooked and rehab is about the only way to get you off it.

    Yes, I know … that tell-all we’ve all been waiting for will reveal Obama’s time in rehab.

  215. Speaking of coke, because of my IBS I pretty much gave up Coca-Cola cold turkey. Not easy. Had a hankering today and drank part of a can at dinner tonight. It’s funny that when you stop drinking it daily, you really lose your taste for it.

  216. Off topic … my home health care respiratory therapist visited today to see how I was doing with the new ventilator that I tested in the hospital Wednesday night. We talked a bit about how the machine worked. After she left I RTFM (read the f*cking manual) and by the time I was through realized she didn’t know what the hell she was talking about. When she comes back in four weeks to pick up my old ventilator, I’m real tempted to take her aside and say “Now let me teach YOU how this thing works.”

    The real injustice … she gets paid to pretend she knows what she’s doing and I get to learn it myself for free. 😐

  217. Do we have a deal, Prick?

    Of course not. I never said no one has a 25 year old kid on their insurance. So your daughter is on your insurance … that proves that MOST policies already insure up to age 25?

    Ya gotta do better than that. But do keep that business about your campaigning for Obama on the back burner for a future bet. I like that. 🙂

  218. I’ll ask WordPress if they would grant me the liberty of penning Rutherford’s eulogy on his blog – a touch tribute to his Obama worship included, and what that bought him.

    Poetic justice indeed. Ahhhh we have come full circle. I “met” Tex on another blog (ChenZhen’s Chamber) a good four or so years ago and the first thing he did there was wish me dead.

    Ahhhh the circle of life … hakuna matata. 🙂

  219. I’m really really really cranky this month.

    Alfie, I’m genuinely surprised. From your blog I got the impression some exciting stuff might be in the offing for you near term.

  220. Noah, I think any selfishness involved in having children (and I agree there is an element of selfishness to it) is far outweighed by the love we give them and the way we nurture them to become productive adults.

    You can’t control a world gone mad. The best you can do is equip your kids to handle what hits them as best they can.

    For what it’s worth, I wouldn’t wish any of the crap you’ve been through or are going through on you. I also think that any decent liberal OR “leftist” would hope for your troubles to ease up a bit. You can’t blame the left for your personal situation dude. Honestly I find that pathological. You probably shouldn’t “blame” anyone. Just cope as best you can with a rough hand that’s been dealt to you.

    I’m no stranger to adversity but I’m sure not gonna blame the right for my troubles, past or present.

    Seriously Noah, is there anything that brings you any consolation? Even if you’re not willing to share it, I hope there is. Life is too short to not even try to find that pony in the barn full of manure.

    I’ll address your political questions in another comment later in the thread. We’re human beings … and I want the human message to resonate here. All the politics, compared to the challenges in our daily lives, is bullsh*t.

  221. Seriously newt why does Romney have to release anything beyond the two years mandated by law?

    I completely agree and THAT is the very reason Obama should NEVER have produced the long form birth certificate. The demand for it was based on racist hatred. The demand for multiple years of Mitt’s returns is based on class bigotry.

    There needs to be intense debate about how Mitt ran Massachusetts. That is the single most relevant factor in weighing the honesty of his current campaign.

  222. This from a friend on Facebook who is living with the facts of universal health care in the UK while many of you spread the fiction:

    Socialized medicine in the UK. I call 111 (free phone call) and talk to a very helpful call-center expert at the National Health Service. They ask for my symptoms and go over details. They then ask if I can be at the hospital walk in clinic in 1 1/2 hours. I go to the hospital, check in, and am seen 20 minutes early. The doctor sees me in his office (no nurses and examining room hopping), already has reviewed all the info taken over the phone, does a thorough exam, discusses my concerns and treatment options and writes a prescription. He gives me his number in case I need to come back for a follow-up visit. I pay nothing for the doctor, take taxi to a pharmacy, which fills my prescription in 5 minutes and charges 1/5 of the charge for the same medicine in the USA. Total time for treatment 60 minutes (including taxi ride), total charge (including taxi) 1/5 of the COPAY with my health insurance in the USA. And people are AFRAID that US healthcare could become like that in England????

  223. Regarding 286, Newt while I understand that Romney looks suspect by resisting further financial disclosure, I still think this is not the best card for Dem’s to play. Debbie Wasserman-Schulz has already been accused of throwing a stone in a glass house.

  224. For the kind words, thanks.

    You can’t blame the left for your personal situation dude. Honestly I find that pathological.

    I thought this obvious but by now I should know better than to be anything less than absolutely precise and clear. This paragraph……

    To be frank, I blame the far left in this country. Not so much liberals, but the left. Economically, morally, our country is bankrupt. Things we have traditionally held as sacred and true are constantly under attack. Getting us to constantly question the things we already knew were right and true. To put in that seed of doubt to constantly keep us second guessing ourselves. It has undermined all of the things that made this nation great. My gut tells me it is too late to fix the damage that has been done.

    ……is self contained. What I blame the left for is in this paragraph and this paragraph alone. The rest of my post sets the stage.

  225. “It was a purpose built rooftop carrier and Seamus loved it.”

    My dog Whittles was a yellow lab, with the thickest coat I have ever seen. He roasted indoors, and even though he had a “dog-gloo” invested with thick, new straw, he never slept in it, always preferring to sleep in the snow. His coat was so thick that, after a new snow, when I called him for breakfast, there would be an explosion of white and he would come bounding, the overnight snowfall having covered him without melting.

    He would not ride in the cab of my truck (except in summer, where we would run the air conditioner) preferring to ride in the bed or in the trailer as we careened around West Virginia in 20-degree weather. I never tied him; he would pace from side to side, looking for the best breeze to stick his snout in.

    Could he have jumped out at 60 mph? Sure. But he never did. We had a respect for each other as equals and I depended on his common sense. Likely nowadays some do-gooder would have reported me to the SPCA for dog-abuse, like the Romney critic do-gooders and the back-stabbers who take anything out of the ordinary as abusive.

    Always somebody with his nose up your ass. As a lifelong outlier, I certainly could never run for office. These cynical Bain attacks and Seamus nonsense have completely hardened my resolve to never – under any circumstance – vote for President Hussein Zero.

  226. thor –
    “Poolman, up here, heating a pool is as big an expense as building one. Perhaps heating down there is not an issue but do customers ever employ solar to heat their pools? I envision tubes with water running above ground to gather heat and then running through the structure of the pool to transfer that heat to the pool water.”

    Actually very easy to do; I’m considering it myself, since I have a seventy-foot long covered deck at poolside, facing south.

    Since the pool filter is continuously circulating, it is trivial to tee a side-circuit from the high-pressure side, through solar panels and into the low-pressure side. Simply put in a valve to control or stop flow if the pool gets too hot.

    If you are at high latitude you will need a different kind of solar collector (evacuated tube) if you want significant heat in winter, although you would probably have to bubble the pool anyway to be able to tolerate it below about 50 degrees or so.

    Hell, what am I doing? Poolman, you’re the expert here. What say you?

  227. I wish I could do something to help nagic, Rutherford, and others who are suffering, but I can’t. Life is impersonal and unfair. It sucks that good people must suffer and invent ways to cope with such adversity. “It makes you stronger” is cold comfort..

    All I have is a story about a young man who was caring for his sick mother. He wasn’t feeling all that well himself, and he relied on his girlfriend for strength to continue.

    In one week, doctors told his mother she might soon die, the man learned he also had a potentially life-threatening illness, and his girlfriend broke up with him. He shut himself away and wrote poetry to cope with the pain.

    Eventually, he regained his health and started a band to process his losses. One night, his ex- girl friend appeared where the band was singing, and he had a minor breakdown with flashbacks. He wrote a song describing his pain, and it became a hit–“Sometime Around Midnight” by Airborne Toxic Event. The song has no chorus. It is a narration building to an emotional creshendo.

  228. R –

    re: now you’re the ventilator expert. Be careful, man. Yes, you might understand the mechanism better than your RT, but you do NOT understand your physiology better. Ventilators differ, but there are several very stereotyped ventilatory modes they run, and she understands THAT, and knows what is dangerous and what is not (for you). Use your newfound – and very limited – knowledge carefully.

    re: PFesser’s take on abortion. “Pfessor unapologeticly declares abortion is good because it eradicates people who are destined to be welfare niggas. I wonder if Pfessor would think it a good thing if people like you, R, were now aborted, since the burden has been transferred from your wife’s work to the entire country?”

    Once again, a gross distortion. My points have always been two:

    Firstly, a woman knows her situation, vis a vis raising a child, far better than someone sitting at a computer screen thousands of miles away, pontificating about her decision. Therefore she, in consultation with her doctor, should be allowed to make her own choice about whether she can successfully bear the burden of raising a child to adulthood.

    Secondly, if she chooses abortion, taxpayers should be overjoyed to pay the cost of same, since otherwise they will likely ultimately bear the financial cost of forcing her to carry to term, and the likelihood that very daughter/son will repeat said behavior is incredibly high. As an investment in society’s welfare, an abortion has the best return on capital you will ever see.

    Not that complicated, really.

  229. I agree with 286, Rutherford. I believe the birth certificate demands were also an attempt to discredit Obama independently of race, though racial bigotry was probably the most important feature. I also believe religious bigotry became as important as the racialist feature.

    The Obama campaign had better have real information, or as you write this will hurt them. Their glass house will not stand.

    I don’t care if Romney, Obama, or anyone else paid income taxes as long as they did nothing illegal. The tax laws are written to let people do it. We paid no income taxes when our farm had bad years.

    I agree with Newt or no newt, we should be discussing Massachusettes and Obama’s record. We must also remember that neither ruled by fiat How they managed to negotiate with their political enemies should be discussed. How much of a final policy owes its existence to the creator and what it owes to the opposition is as important.

    Sadly, I don’t think it will happen. The Obama administration has little to brag about. Their best option is class and religious bigotry.

  230. Rutherford, to the seasons and changes in air quality affect your situation? The pollen season or relative humidity changes for example, affect some asthma conditions.

  231. An e friend told me a different story about the British Health system, Rutherford. People must wait for appointments and as many as 100,000 people die because the long waits and other administrative details ration the care.

    I watched Parilament debate health care, and speakers agreed it had real problems.

    My aunt broke her hip in Britain around 1980. She received excellent care and some rehibiliation so she could walk again.. Her cost was only a hundred dollars or so. The British people paid for my aunt’s treatment, and she wasn’t even a citizen. Situations like that explain Europes’ and our deficit crisis.

  232. We have a doc in our ED who worked in London for two years. He said it is all very straightforward, and this WILL happen here.

    There are standards for advanced care, and if you don’t meet them – say you are eighty years old and need dialysis – you are simply told, “We do not think you will benefit from this treatment.”

    And you die. Simple as that.

  233. Rutherford 281 not for nothing and perhaps I’m under a misunderstanding. 1) insurance premiums went up secondary to the ACA rule regardless if there was actually a rush of 2o somethings flooding the rolls. 2) The college scenario as you well know has always required insurance for undergrads and many parents preferred to use their plans as opposed to buying the school brands. I don’t see why it changes in the era of helicopter parenting that 23-26 y/o don’t stay on in some numbers.
    The ACA basically extended the previous age;however , isn’t it a little crazy? I think part of the extension was meant to keep 20+ ers on something other than the market place since that demo doesn’t take insurance outside of employer sponsored anyway.

  234. Rutherford people could insert clips and counter clips regards the NHS of the UK (Canada,France etc…) lets not go there. Let’s instead confess the truth that location is a deciding factor. If you live in a UK postal code where the local NHS Trust isn’t crap and the facilities are in line numbers wise you’ll tend to have good experiences. The flip side is that there are large areas where care is less positive on both medical and personal levels.

  235. Rutherford especially but others too….
    I’m wondering if VP choice makes Romney more palatable to those that don’t like him? The chatter is the call is coming soon. Portman,Pawlenty,Ryan and Jindal are the top 4 here and I see the basis for the thoughts.

  236. Pfesser, I find your logic concerning abortion badly flawed.

    First, what is being aborted in by any definition of science life with a unique DNA, half the time not even the same sex. There is no real choice but of convenience for the mother.

    Your second premise is true, but I would remind you I could use the same standard to justify virtually every death that will happen in Chicago this year. Every banger that is capped is a huge net drag on society as expense. From only the practicality of cost, we could then celebrate the 40 murders or so in Chicago every weekend.

    P.S. – Any human that owns a Lab has at least one superior quality. My two beloved black labs did the exact same, rode with me in the truck, ahort of work and church went everywhere my wife and I went, and loved every minute of it. They both died at 13.

  237. I may be the only one willing to admit this, but Condi Rice is far and away the candidate I least prefer that has been mentioned with Romney. Pawlenty would be second “least” favorite. Condi is not the anti Obama man people make her out to be. Though brighter than the gawd awful Colin Powell, I’m afraid she would end up the female version of Powell.

    While I do think Condi is intelligent and gifted in foreign policy, and I do like her personally, she is practically an unknown when it comes to anything else. And it was my belief, Condi has many qualities of leftism and statism.

    We don’t need someone like that having any influence concerning the economy or SCOTUS selections. I’ve had enough of the enlightened feminists that are greatly assisting in the destruction of this country – horrors like Ginsburg, Kagan and Sotomayor.

  238. In regard to #288 Rutherford, relax. If I learned one thing from being a keen observer of Obama’s 2008 campaign, there is no drama inside the campaign, they don’t make reckless mistakes. They have enough evidence to say not only what they have already said, but there will be more to come, of that I am sure.

  239. I don’t believe you Newt or no newt. OWS and the war on women were two reckless mistakes. Their attack on Fox News and attempt to ban if from administration press conferences was another. Fortune Magazine also supports Romney. It is reckless for an Obama operative to say Romney may be guilty of a felony.

    If they have evidence, let them show it.

    Another instructive bit of information is the Scandinavian health service. They ration care with long waiting lines. The system while mainly government owned, offers local control. Denmark, especially, has allowed a mirror private system to evolve. Its neighbors are following suit to save money.

    Patients make co pays and the government caps the amount of money they must spend. Maybe we could borrow some of their system.

  240. Rutherford, that is total bull shit about coke. Most people use it for sometime and quit for life, never going to rehab. Their bank account intact, their life not destroyed. Don’t get me wrong, I’d be scared to death if I found out my son was using blow. But sometimes people have almost too ominous an impression of drugs. I quit messing with that shit just like I bet Obama did. You just quit.

  241. Pfessor, you were bragging about “killing the little bastard”. Remember, you went behind your pro life brother’s back, and financed his duaghter’s child in the womb? As a guy with 4 brothers, age 38 (me), 37, 36, 35 and 28, you broke code.

  242. Thor and PFesser,

    I have built passive solar systems for pools. The last one was merely 1000 feet of polypropylene drip irrigation tubing coiled and splayed on my roof fed from a line off of my circulation pump. In the late 80’s I built several panels for some folks.

    There are plenty of solar systems available for pools, mostly passive systems, most installed on roof panels. The best ones I have used are Heliocol which are made in Israel. With these type systems, they generally require an equal area of panel compared to pool surface area.

    For the amount of sun we get here, there are few that take advantage of solar heating. In the mid summer, pools often get hot on their own, often too hot and some type of cooling is preferred.

    The biggest factor with solar heating is keeping the heat in the pool. If the surface is uncovered, all the day’s gain can be lost during the cooler nights. Often we add a floating solar cover to maintain the warmer temps. Solar alone will not allow for year-round swimming. Often it adds only a couple months to the swim season, one at the beginning and one at the end. Natural gas is still the choice for heating pools in December and January.

    The expense of commercial panels and the various HOA rules are often hindrances to adding solar panels to heat the pool’s water.

    Often the filtration pump, or a secondary pump is used to flow water through these panels, mostly designed to flow against gravity at a slow rate to best allow heat transfer.

    What I am working on developing (one of my side projects) is an active solar panel that runs the circulation pump. This doubles as a shelter for the pool’s equipment, since the sun generally bakes the plastic and fiberglass components. It would also allow the system to run during the daylight, when most pools should be circulating but are often off due to electrical costs and peak usage costs.

  243. Condi is a good politician. I’ve watched her lie with a straight face. I think all that took its toll, though. From what I gather, she has no interest in political office.

    Floating her name is more likely to entice the black vote.

  244. They have enough evidence to say not only what they have already said, but there will be more to come, of that I am sure.

    Would you care to place bet on that, right here and now. Are you strong enough in your confidence to place your money where that hideous, little, propagandizing mouth is?

    I’m calling you a liar. And those goes for any of the rest of you Goebbels wannabees too. You either deluded or stupid, and if you care to make a dare, I’ll place a bet with you. 😉

  245. Speaking of coke, because of my IBS I pretty much gave up Coca-Cola cold turkey. Not easy. Had a hankering today and drank part of a can at dinner tonight – R

    Rutherford, the problem is the carbonation not the cola. You can drink it all you want if you let it go flat.

    Life is too short to not even try to find that pony in the barn full of manure- R

    And that is why I have two 😉

  246. Floating her name is more likely to entice the black vote.

    I don’t think so. It will do nothing of the sort. Blacks will vote 95% Obama this fall, no matter which Republican V.P. is elected. And if the Republicans were wise, they would quit wasting their time pandering to a bunch of racists and hypocrites in the hope it might change their minds or open their eyes. It only empowers the racist hypocrites and gives the white libs ammunition to continue manipulating the black vote. Not worth saving…and certainly not worth pandering to.

    Hispanics are another story. Many of them are worth saving. Hard working and generally conservative, impoverished people with a misunderstanding of why it absolutely necessary to protect our borders, and why it absolutely necessary to assimilate into American ideal like the immigrants of old if they want their children to succeed.

    The American dream still lives and America for all its flaws, still the greatest nation the earth has ever seen. But that dream is almost a whisper. It needs to be tweaked to remove the stench of liberalism for it to succeed.

  247. Rutherford, the problem is the carbonation not the cola. You can drink it all you want if you let it go flat.

    I pretty much gave it up because its like acid on your teeth, 150 empty calories in which my waist line can no longer afford equivalent to a mile and a half of running at a fast jog for one can, and perhaps the largest dose of simple sugars and bad for the bod ever constructed. Diet Coke is even worse for you.

    But it sure does taste good, I’ll admit.

  248. If one thinks about it, the Dimocrat party exists because of racism, leading to class division and envy conjoined to tribalism. And I got to contemplating what would America be like if Dimocrats got their wishes granted. Utopia?

    No.

    What I did conclude was Yugoslavia.

  249. Since late May, I’ve lost about 15 pounds. No diet. Just being active and eating at home. So, this week I decide to put it in over drive. I use a knock off weight watcher app and essentially count calories. Miserable. Get on the scale and I gain a pound. What the hell?

  250. It is interesting to note that the original Coca Cola had real cocaine in it, until that was considered a no-no. It is also interesting that the detrimental qualities of today’s packaged and highly marketed product are widely documented yet greatly downplayed. It is also unspoken how the present corporation is hated for its procurement and production practices where they occur.

    I think the only ones happy are the investors and the coke addicts.

    The stores sure do move a lot of product.

  251. Get on the scale and I gain a pound. What the hell?

    Exercised that brain muscle instead of the sex muscle. There’s your pound. 😉

  252. Curious if anyone finds it odd that DC is laid out in satanic symbolism. This being the start of the famous Bohemian Grove weekend, just wondering where folks stood on those facts.

  253. PF believe me I care too much about my health to play games with the ventilator. But here’s an example. The RT said that inspiratory time was tied to volume. Turns out it was tied to breaths per minute. Similarly she suggested that turning off the ramp setting might make me more comfortable but the ramp setting applies to CPAP not to Assist/Control which is the mode I use.

    Bottom line, she’s not as up on the damn machine as she should be.

  254. Poolman, my wife just had a kid. I’m forced to exercise my brain muscle and sex muscle at the same time….alone.

  255. to the seasons and changes in air quality affect your situation?

    It’s a good question James. Since we moved to Illinois my breathing has become demonstrably worse. It can’t be the elevation because I think I lived at a slightly higher elevation in CT. I’m thinking that my old house, being a 3000 square foot open architecture kind of thing allowed for dust (and germs) to disperse a bit. Now that I’m in a 1200 square foot apartment I honestly think the dust and germs have no place to go other than my lungs.

    We need to buy an air filter to get some of this dust out of the air. We just haven’t gotten off the dime yet to do it.

    P.S. Illinois has definitely impacted my wife’s allergies. She’s much more miserable here from that perspective than she was in Connecticut.

  256. If you live in a UK postal code where the local NHS Trust isn’t crap and the facilities are in line numbers wise you’ll tend to have good experiences. The flip side is that there are large areas where care is less positive on both medical and personal levels.

    This makes sense but couldn’t the same be said of America? I seriously doubt you get the best quality of care in an ER located in an urban war zone.

  257. Alfie, from everything I’ve seen and heard Romney is likely to make the “safest” VP pick possible. I hear the same names, primarily Portman and Pawlenty. But I also hear that VP choice hardly moves the needle in a Prez election unless perhaps it is an instant celeb like Palin or big personality like Christie.

    There is conjecture about Condi Rice. The evangelicals will vomit over her pro-choice stance. But think what a bind her candidacy might put equal opportunity liberals in — she’s black, she’s a she, and she may well be a lesbian. That’s the perfect liberal trifecta. 🙂

    As for timing, the pundits I listen to say Romney won’t announce until right before the convention because he doesn’t want to blow what little bump it gives him too early.

  258. Poolman, my wife just had a kid. I’m forced to exercise my brain muscle and sex muscle at the same time….alone.

    Watch out for that Popeye physique. 😀

  259. Rutherford, that is total bull shit about coke.

    LOL for a split second there I thought you were talking about my comments on Coca-Cola. It’s been that kind of Saturday.

  260. Rabbit is your mom still alive? Damn, if so she must be worn out. Giving birth to three kids in three years … she spent very little time at that point NOT pregnant. I don’t know how she didn’t lose her mind. Kudos to her. Besides, you’ve already admitted you were a handful. Strong woman!

  261. I’m calling you a liar.

    Clearly Tex you’re going through one of your cycles again as the conciliatory rhetoric I was enjoying over the past week or so has disappeared and the tongue is sharp again.

    How can Newt be a liar in expressing an opinion? She’s stating an opinion. An opinion can be wrong but because it is an opinion, it cannot be a lie.

  262. BTW Raji. flat coke is like non-alcoholic beer. Just doesn’t deliver the same kick.

    Although I shouldn’t mourn the loss of coke in my life too much. Just this morning I saw a nutritionist on TV saying it’s wrong to even classify soda as a “food”.

  263. Tex I finally got around to reading your PJmedia article by Roger L. Simon. What a yawn. Nothing new or profound in there at all. The same old conservative talking point about encouraging dependency and how racist blacks are.

    You wanna talk dependency? Most folks on welfare and food stamps are … wait for it … white folks. So I guess the Dem party hasn’t been too good for whites either, heh?

  264. You can pour coke on your car battery terminals to eat away the corrosion. Additionally, it contains your high fructose corn syrup to really provide a thickened state of sweet. It used to contain sugar until the government kept messing with sugar prices.

    Let’s summarize: to protect a remarkably few US sugar manufacturers, the government over the years has tried to manipulate the price of sugar by offering free loans to growers, imposing quotas on cheap foreign sugar, banning high sugar imports, giving away free food to growers in other nations, and carving out ‘sugar exemptions’ in every major farm bill that has passed Congress. In return, they got warehouses full of overpriced, useless sugar, an exodus of manufacturing companies that rely on cheap sugar to make products (like candy manufacturers) , environmental catastrophes like the Everglades cleanup, ridicule on the world stage, and displaced non-sugar farmers who cannot compete with the sugar subsidies. And, of course, a population that regularly overpays for sugar to the tune of $2B or so.

    Why would any government allow this to happen?

    http://youarebeingmanipulated.com/sweet-sweet-manipulation/

  265. R, are you shitting us? You were a math major at Haaarvad?

    Since you clearly didn’t go to MIT, let’s dumb it down. 😆

    Assuming the US that America is made up of 75% White, 13% Black, and 12% Hispanic. If there was no difference in the rate at which blacks and Hispanics receive food stamps compared to whites then wouldn’t the food stamp usage be 75% white, 13% black, 12% Hispanic, right?

    It isn’t though. Instead, you have 75% of the country receiving 49% of the food stamps, 13% (blacks) receiving 26% of food stamps and 12% (Hispanic) receiving 20%.

    Whites comprise the largest segment of the population and you think saying they receive more food stamps makes a point?

    Now what proportion of the tax payers do you think finance food stamps in each racial category?

    Real Dem victory there R.

  266. The best ER’s in the world are in American urban war zones. Dude, they deal with insane injuries every night. You mangle yourself on a saturday night, Detroit Receiving is where you want to be. They have seen it all.

  267. Tigre, good to have you back. Some folks here were worried about you.

    Laugh at the math all you like … a sh*t load of people believe that more blacks are on food stamps than whites. And they aren’t interested in proportions. They’re thinking raw numbers. And they’re wrong.

  268. The best ER’s in the world are in American urban war zones.

    Doesn’t the volume alone compromise the quality of care? Besides, if enough of these doctors share the values of you and Tex, I can’t imagine they find much satisfaction in stitching up gang bangers.

  269. Rabbit, four in four years only goes further to my point of nominating your mother for sainthood. I don’t know how she did it, physically or mentally.

  270. 341 is rather poor justification for claiming something is so imo. Where I come from, if 1 person thinks its right, or 5 million thinks its right, and its not, its still wrong.

  271. Noah, is the Federal government good at anything?

    And to get back to your question about my dismissing certain sources of information (throwing out the message because of the messenger) let me give you the most obvious example.

    If I look at one of those newspapers you find in the checkout aisle of a supermarket, the one with the headline “Two headed mother gives birth to baby with three heads!” and then I weigh that against the New York Times, I tend to take the NYT more seriously. It’s a matter of a record of credibility.

    Glenn Beck has said enough wacky stuff on his TV show to no longer deserve any credibility points from me. Sadly, he has sacrificed the ability to show truth. It’s a bit like the boy who cried wolf. If you say enough bullsh*t, no one believes you when you tell the truth.

    So sadly, the messenger does matter.

  272. The same values of Tex and the Rabbit? Tex was applying pro choice logic to gang bangers. The only time you even write about murdered blacks is when MSNBC tells you to. Of course you embaress yourself and have to back peddle for the next month.

  273. “Two headed mother gives birth to baby with three heads!”

    Show me one article from Beck that has this or similar title then your point has merit. If you cannot, please try again.

    Noah, is the Federal government good at anything?

    I would ask, and I am, the same of you.

    The government does not manage money well. Why? Because the money was given not earned. They have no sense of the ownership that comes from having worked to earn that money. Because of this they wantonly spend the money with little regard of the consequences often making the same mistake over and over again. (Think green companies and your Messiah.)

    This is why government must be kept small and limited in power. By its very nature it will always use and misuse its power and the resources at its disposal. The government is beholden unto us, not the other way around.

  274. Tex opined:
    “First, what is being aborted in by any definition of science life with a unique DNA, half the time not even the same sex. There is no real choice but of convenience for the mother.”

    Others disagree.

    “Your second premise is true, but I would remind you I could use the same standard to justify virtually every death that will happen in Chicago this year. Every banger that is capped is a huge net drag on society as expense. From only the practicality of cost, we could then celebrate the 40 murders or so in Chicago every weekend.”

    I am so very tempted to just agree with you and move on, but alas, can’t do that.

    The “bangers” are already-born and have rights, same as you; fetuses do not. We’ve all been around this circuit a dozen times and nobody is going to change anybody’s mind. All I can tell you is that if you don’t want an abortion, don’t get one. Everyone else can make his own decision.

  275. “Pfessor, you were bragging about “killing the little bastard”. Remember, you went behind your pro life brother’s back, and financed his duaghter’s child in the womb?

    If you are going to take me to task, fine, but get your facts straight.

    The phrase was, “kept the little bastard from becoming a relative of mine.” That’s a line from a joke that made the rounds in the ‘fifties and ‘sixties. Thought it was funny. I’ll reproduce the whole joke some day for you.

    The woman in question was a college student (about 20 I believe at the time), legally of age and quite capable of making up her own mind as to whether she wanted to have a legal procedure or not. What she did not have was the money, and she was too embarrassed about being so stupid as to let a one-night-stand-Lothario get her drunk – and pregnant – to ask her family for the dough. I helped her out. Good decision, confirmed many times over.

    She now is married to a fine man, has two daughters and has several times expressed great relief that she made the decision she did. The nonsense about “haunting you all your life” is just that – nonsense. Sometimes abortion is the right decision. This was one of those times.

    My brother is not pro-life. (Where do you guys get this stuff?) He is pro-choice, same as me. He dipped his wick too many times as a young man to be so naive as to think accidents don’t happen.

  276. “Poolman, my wife just had a kid. I’m forced to exercise my brain muscle and sex muscle at the same time….alone.”

    There’s an age-old fix for post-partum celibacy: anal sex. When you do it, just take PLENTY of time (toys are nice) and stretch things out first and you might be surprised how much you both enjoy it. Lots and lots and lots of lube.

    Don’t bother thanking me. It’s my job. Did I say LOTS of lube?

  277. I’m sorry to hear your and your wife are in worse shape after moving to Ill. Maybe the house is the problem as you wrote, Rutherford.

    Some people I know with alergies say they get worse in the spring.

  278. My wife and I found another solution, Pfessor.We stacked wheat stray and hay bales in the hay mow. We cut weeds in the bean fields–lots of weeds. Exhaustion does wonders.

  279. “Tigre, good to have you back. Some folks here were worried about you.”

    I’ve been at out-of state legal seminars. Boring as shit. I still probably shouldn’t have checked in. 😆

    Now if you recognize the regular morons don’t understand proportionality, why are you repeating it to us. . . sophisticated morons? It sounds like Thor’s tortured efforts to argue that Obama’s economic policies have been a success.

  280. Tex I finally got around to reading your PJmedia article by Roger L. Simon. What a yawn. Nothing new or profound in there at all. The same old conservative talking point about encouraging dependency and how racist blacks are.

    Well of course you consider it a yawner. You and your new bumbling, inept fool of a friend anti-Newtonian are the most intellectually dishonest people on the board. To you, black racism is to be exalted, celebrated, even expected – but wait, it can’t exist either. 🙄

    But I noticed you couldn’t deny a bit of it – which was my point.

    Taken as a whole, the black race in America is both predatory and parasitical. That’s not racism – it’s fact by the record. I would have had much more respect for Romney if he had gotten up on stage to the black racists at the NAACP and said, “Welcome members that have no negro dialect – it’s a pleasure to talk to you negroids that are clean and articulate. By the way. If I get elected, your days of freeloading and animal behavior are over. You don’t like it, you can kiss my lily white ass in about 120 days.”

    Gawd, you are a major hypocrite, Rutherford. Don’t kid yourself – you’re not much different than the Fat Grannies crowd except perhaps abortion.

  281. The “bangers” are already-born and have rights, same as you; fetuses do not. We’ve all been around this circuit a dozen times and nobody is going to change anybody’s mind. All I can tell you is that if you don’t want an abortion, don’t get one. Everyone else can make his own decision.

    Well, if it’s not alive, what is it they are aborting then? Let me guess. A product of conception, a wart, a mole, a mass of cells.

    If your niece really feels the way you say she does, she’s shit as a human being and not fit to be a mother. SHIT…

    Nazi Germany also said Jews had no rights. Frankly Pfesser, and I hate to be harsh, but a man of your character has no business being in the medical field. You’re an anathema to the Hippocratic Oath and the field is much better off with you retired. Much better.

  282. So I guess the Dem party hasn’t been too good for whites either, heh?

    The Dim Party hasn’t been good for anybody the last 70 years. You’re just too personally invested, too indoctrinated by black liberal race baiting, and truly too thick to understand it.

    Perpetual excuse maker for abject failure.

  283. Well Pfessor, the comment about the abortion behind your brother’s back is here. If I cared, I search for it. I remember it pretty vivedly. Its was classic Old Prefessor. In the middle of a passionate debate on abortion you upped the ante. Not only do you favor abortion, you ensure they happen behind people’s back!

    Alas, all we have now is New Pfessor. He’s turned into this whimisical southern gentlemen. A white version of Morgan Freeman . I ain’t buying it. A guy like you, with no respect for the establishment, a guy who hileriously swears a Christian illuminati is on the brink of taking over the country, is pissing on graves somewhere.

    Quot

  284. I’ve never been into anal sex because I would be horrified if I found a lima bean or kernal of corn on my dick when done. I refuse to believe women shit. I just can’t imagine it being possible that a hot chick shits. Ive never seen evidence that my wife does. Anal sex might might ruin my fairy tale. Weird thing is I still will eat ass.

  285. Ok, I have to admit, I can’t picture any movie where Morgan Freeman whimisically advises anal sex. 🙂

  286. The government does not manage money well.
    Noah, this reiterates what the government does poorly. I asked you if you think it does anything well. As I’ve said on this blog repeatedly, I am amazed by the so called patriots who take every chance they get (particularly during a Dem admin) to slam the government for incompetence.

  287. Ive never seen evidence that my wife does.

    Do you have separate bathrooms or a chronically stuffed up nose? You can’t share a bathroom with a woman for as long as you’ve been married and not smell the aftermath of a good dump now and then.

  288. On a final disgusting note … Rabbit you obviously have a special relationship with your dick that you’d put your tongue in places you wouldn’t put your Peter.

  289. Here’s some liberal hypocrisy for the conservative gang. Remember how we were discussing Bain’s financing of fetus disposal? Anyone notice how liberals dropped this as fast as they picked it up? My theory … if they pursued this line of attack they’d have to suggest there is something WRONG with fetus disposal … and they don’t want to get caught doing that.

    Gotta love politics!

  290. “Anyone notice how liberals dropped this as fast as they picked it up?” R

    R, I told you when you first mentioned it that I thought it was quite a stretch. I believe Alfie rebuked you at the time with info showing Romney wasn’t at Bain when the alleged fetus dump took place. I don’t recall reading about it anywhere else. The “they” you refer to might actually be yourself. Are you pulling a Clevon Little? 🙂

  291. “On a final disgusting note … Rabbit you obviously have a special relationship with your dick that you’d put your tongue in places you wouldn’t put your Peter.”

    I’m kind of sorry I brought the topic up, but I have to say now it was worth it. One of the funniest comments I have ever seen on ANY blog.

    How do the French put it? Touché, Br’er Rabbit? Or as we say in West Virginia, “Touchy!”

  292. poolman – you will appreciate this.

    I think I mentioned that my older sister had given me a spankin’ new 80-gal solar hot water storage tank that her husband had bought in the ‘eighties, thinking he was going to put solar hot water panels on their house in Cleveland. (Besides the latitude, there are about three clear days a year in Cleveland because of lake-effect.) After he died, she was cleaning out his cubic mile of shit and found this thirty year-old tank still in the box and in perfect condition.

    I installed a geothermal heat pump connected to my pond a couple of years ago; it has a built in “desuperheater” that will pull some heat off before sending the rest to the pond for disposal, but I never hooked it up.

    My 19 year-old son and I have been learning about the marvels of PEX plumbing since I quit my job and decided to install the tank and hook it up to the desuperheater. My God; I had no idea how much heat that SOB heat pump put out. Within twenty minutes it had heated my 80 gals of water thirty degrees, from 58 to 88; the water coming into the tank was 170 degrees! We were filthy and had the water off in the whole house for a while so I figured we wouldn’t get a shower until we went to bed. wrong. We both got a fine shower within 30 mins.

    I’m loving me this green technology. Hot water solar panels come next, for wintertime when the heat pump is heating instead of cooling.

    Sorry to bore you non-geek types, but I figured the Poolman would get a charge out of it.

  293. More about 365, Rutherford. Do you remember a few years ago when some fringe elements tried to prove Rush Limbaugh was gay?

    Obviously that was another contradiction no one wanted to touch, and it deflated fast.

  294. DR, I gotta go with R on this: I’m not sticking my tongue anywhere I’m not willing to put my dick. Must be a Detroit thing…

  295. Raji, two ponies, or two barns full of manure?

    😆 two ponies but I swear some days it looks like two barns!

    Rutherford, just so you don’t get slammed say cola not coke 😉 It definitely does not fall into a “food” group. I’ll take your word for it that flat cola doesn’t have the same kick.

    Poolman, it’s those farm subsidies. Corn won out over sugar.

    R, nope the volume alone makes urban ER’s outstanding trauma units. Actually some of the doctors get quite inventive in stitching up gang bangers. One incident at Grady Memorial occurred when two gang members came in still fighting although they were beat and bloody. The doctor stitched an ear to the operating table.

  296. re urban ER’s. Urban ER’s are by far the superior model for what they are. Yes it is is indeed a volume thing but also the larger and usually teaching hospital thing.
    Long before our latest forays into the Iraq/Afghanistan wars the US Army actually had a program where surgeons would go to urban ER’s and surgery locations to keep fresh on GSW and other assorted trauma.
    On the medical side the better hospitals staff with dedicated Emergency Medicine attendings as opposed to attendings overseeing fellows etc. that may or may not intend to pursue Emergency Medicine. This makes for staff that can indeed handle the emergent cases effectively BUT MUST be able to rely on the tiered system America has solidly embraced.
    This is where we’re screwed. I saw patients spend hours in Boston ER’s solely due to waiting for a room and in NYC days. That’s d-a-y-s. Hell some of the hospitals even adopted the term….”Admitted to ER”. Imagine that s#!% paying a hospital room rate for laying on a stretcher in a hall.

  297. “Two headed mother gives birth to baby with three heads!”

    Show me one article from Beck that has this or similar title then your point has merit. If you cannot, please try again.

    Noah, is the Federal government good at anything?

    I would ask, and I am, the same of you.

    Sorry my answer wasn’t up to snuff. I was trying to keep it in the context of this post. I noted you didn’t take any issue with what I DID say so can I assume you agree? It would go without saying on any other blog, but if you disagree could you expand on why? In particular my blurp on smaller and limited government. I would also like to note that it is you who do not stay consistent, and my opinion will of government will stay the same no matter who is in office. You are projecting your shortcomings onto us again.

    To the question. The government does keep a fine military. Best in the world in my opinion.

  298. PFesser, I had a solar heater on my roof in Texas that did the same thing. The unit had freon in aluminum panels that wrapped an 82 gallon tank at the top. As the sun heated the freon it turned to gas, rising to the top part wrapped around the tank and heated the water in it. When the gas cooled it turned to liquid and went through the process again. Looked like this, though not a Rheem.

    This was plumbed before our gas water heater. The water coming in to the water heater was hotter than the thermostat on the water heater, so it never fired.

    As one would shower, you would have to turn the hot down as it kept getting hotter. This was opposite of a standard gas water heater’s normal condition where long showers were concerned.

    We loved it and never ran out of hot water. Unfortunately I left it with the house in Texas and the investment was too much to make out here.

    Right now my brother is trying to get me to invest with him in solar ‘build our own’ technology. I’ll let you know how that progresses.

  299. Presidential Trivia: Which president graduated from Yale then received a masters in business from Harvard, was a fighter pilot in the air guard, ran several businesses including a major league baseball team and was a two term beloved governor, and which president never ran even a lemonade stand, was a single term senator, had the most liberal voting record of anyone in the senate, taught left wing radical Saul Alinsky tactics at a university to students, had two parents that both supported Marxism, had a 20 year minister that rants about he hates America and his biggest claim to fame was a “community organizer”? Anyone care to take a guess?

  300. Nagic, in consideration of recent events in you own family, it seems only logical, your sister and your mother must be benefitting from some “Federal Government” programs, are you at least grateful for that?

  301. Still waiting on your response Newt on 304 and the video in it. Considering your passion for Romney-gate or whatever you called it, I would think you would have an opinion. I will be happy to respond after.

  302. re: stitching ears to the cart. A Tennessee boy/Vietnam vet/take no bullshit second-year surgical resident showed me that trick. I had a guy who was coked out, cut up and kept trying to spit on me. We put him in restraints, stitched his ears to the cart with a “ZEEEERO silk” suture, then then put a (very) wet towel over his face so he could just spit straight up, falling back into his own face…then we stitched his knife wounds.

    “In Tin-uh-see, we call that ‘punitive medicine.'”

    LOL. God bless you, Charlie, wherever you are. I learned buckets of Real Medicine from you.

  303. I AM actually going to a “mint julep and croquet” party later this afternoon to enjoy a much-deserved day of rest. All-white is the dress code.

    Of course the rest of the story is: it is being put on my my wife’s kids and their friends, who average about 25 yrs old. I suspect there won’t be many there saying no – to much of anything. LOL…I’ll just stick with the Corona I guess.

    My wife and I have both observed that Ph……, my daughter Lizzie’s best friend, has an ass like a three hundred-dollar mule and loves her short-short Daisy Dukes. I like them, too! I may have to take her aside and give her a good spanking for her many, I’m sure, misdeeds.

    Love the South. Wouldn’t live anywhere else.

  304. The “they” you refer to might actually be yourself.

    Well Thor, I counted myself among the “they” just long enough to bust Dead Rabbit’s chops but I then pretty much detracted, agreeing with you that the issue didn’t really have legs. The point of my comment was that the Obama team I’m sure has trouble going there because of conflicting ideology, not because there’s no mileage to be gained from it.

  305. From G’s article on Obamacare taxes, a great opening line: Next week, the U.S. House of Representatives will be voting on an historic repeal of the Obamacare law.

    LOL … nothing historic about it. It’s the 33rd time they’ve done it and as usual, it went no where. Ya gotta love Grover and his boys.

    BTW, when I clicked on the link I got a pop-up of Keith Olbermann. Is that the best they can do? Using a washed up TV commentator who has no forum anymore to inspire their base?

    Now to the meat — why is Ellis counting Codification of the “economic substance doctrine” and Surtax on Investment Income under Obamacare when they don’t appear to have anything to do with health insurance?

    I suspect that’s not the only distortion in the article but I lack the time nor energy to completely debunk it. I accept the Individual Mandate Excise Tax and the Employer Mandate Tax to be accurate.

  306. Alfie, interestingly the night that I nearly met my maker and woke up with a tube in my throat, there was “no room at the inn” and I had to stay overnight in the ER. Unfortunately, the ER staff essentially forgot I was there and it was only by luck that my PCP visited early the following morning and found me not breathing.

  307. Show me one article from Beck that has this or similar title

    I can’t recall the details but Beck devoted an entire segment to some bizarre theory about carvings in the NBC building outside wall having some ties to Naziism or some such foolishness as that. That was Beck at his most outrageous. But Beck was famous for his chalkboard where he would sketch out the most amazing (il)logical connections and conspiracies.

    To the question. The government does keep a fine military. Best in the world in my opinion.

    Thanks for answering the question.

    I would add to your answer that when our government has been at its finest, it has done a damn good job of expanding and protecting the freedoms of its people. Just this morning I was watching a news clip of LBJ announcing the Voters Rights Act and it made me incredibly proud to be an American.

  308. If you cant link it..then it doesn’t exist. I happen to like Beck’s chalk board rants. So will it then be your continued practice to attack the messenger and ignore the content?

    it has done a damn good job of expanding and protecting the freedoms of its people.

    I will give you a moment to consider this response and take into consideration the laws passed during your Messiah’s administration before I blow this out of the water.

    What are your thoughts on 384 clip Rutherford?

  309. Report from the trenches:

    A fun-filled afternoon drinkin’ beer and watching a bevy of thirty year-old young ladies play croquet. Not too many fellows there, only one other geezer my age. We discussed Tesla (the man) and watched the pretty panties run. (HT to Ian Anderson)

    Advice to young boys: you had better get your thumbs out of your asses and go to work. I had a whole afternoon to observe this estrogen-filled atmosphere. These are all ambitious women, only two of them married, only two young children among all of this bevy of pulchritude. Women are NOT marrying, boys; they are NOT having families and they are MOST ASSUREDLY NOT playing videogames. They are talking about business and travel and carefully watching after the two little girl-children, making sure they grow up strong, confident and smart, so when they are your bosses, they will have the confidence it takes. (Although I’m not sure what value they will see in videogame players; probably their employees will all be female, too.)

    Ten, twelve young women – all of peak or past-peak reproductive age. A gross minority married, only a couple of kids. We have “liberated” ourself right out of business, fellows. I just hope all the muslims are kind to us when we are overrun.

    BTW, P….. wore her best Daisy Dukes and did not disappoint. Unfortunately the Tesla aficionado was her dad. Made it tough to stare at her BEEhind. Oh well…. life goes on.

  310. Nagic, I guess my response to #304 this is an on going story, as the following comment shows: On ABC New’s “This Week,” Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel, Obama’s former chief of staff had this advice for Romney: “Stop whining.”
    Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel (D). (Scott Olson – GETTY IMAGES)
    Said Emanuel: “What are you going to do when the Chinese leader says something to you or Putin says something to you? Going to whine it away?….Defend — if you want to claim Bain Capital as your calling card to the White House, then defend what happened to Bain Capital.”

  311. Now to the meat — why is Ellis counting Codification of the “economic substance doctrine” and Surtax on Investment Income under Obamacare when they don’t appear to have anything to do with health insurance?” – R

    It’s funny when they stumble on the truth, but then stumble on blindly unaware of it.

    Yes, R, why did they mention it? Maybe it was because it is in the Obamacare legislation and is obviously not the only that has NOTHING to do with healthcare that is in the law. Just bleat along little lamb, it’ll all be over soon…

  312. Yes I did! There have been further developments and revelations this weekend, so I am interested to see how this effects the polling this coming week. And of course Romney may end up releasing his tax returns, so we’ll see what happens.

  313. I guess the point being this puts the whole Romney-gate to rest. And once again you and many other Leftists jumped to the wrong conclusions. Of course none admitting to it.

    I still wonder if it would be ok if Romney followed your Messiah’s lead and released his tax returns in the same amount of time as he did his birth certificate? I would hate for anyone to accuse you or ANY other Leftist of having a double standard.

  314. Romney hasn’t a chance in hell of becoming President if he doesn’t release his tax returns in my opinion and apparently in the opinion of many Republicans, who are asking him to release them no later than tomorrow. Keep up with the news. It was a absolute joke for anyone to demand Obama’s birth certificate in the first place, only “the birthers”, a bunch of nuts, thought he needed to above and beyond to prove he was born in Hawaii.

  315. I understand focus can be a challenge for many. I was speaking about the whole Romney-gate thing you were so red hot about. Don’t sweat it, not everyone can muster up the courage to admit they were wrong. Probably why the Leftist party attracts you so. But by all means give us this latest news you speak of.

    So tell me what was the point in waiting so long for him to release the birth certificate? What was to be gained? Why not just release it and be done with? Funny your Messiah can wait so long and you are ok with it, yet cannot stand waiting 24 hours for Romney’s tax return. Tell us, I am on pins and needles.

    If I were Romney, I would tell Obama I will release my tax returns when he releases the information on the Fast and Furious scandal. I know, I know…it was just 200 dead Mexicans, not like they were real people worth seeking justice for….right? Funny, so passionate about Romney’s tax records, but cannot muster one ounce of concern to hold your Messiah accountable for all those families torn apart by his scandal.

  316. Nagic, I think you are the most ridiculous human being I have ever had an exchange with, ever, and that is saying something.

  317. “Well Thor, I counted myself among the “they” just long enough to bust Dead Rabbit’s chops but I then pretty much detracted, agreeing with you that the issue didn’t really have legs.” – R

    Sorry, thanks for the refresher. 🙂 Did he ever answer you?

  318. Gergen thinks Obama campaign is hitting below the belt Noah? Whupdeedoo. Newt put it beautifully. Instead of Romney saying “such and such happened after I left” he should simply defend the Bain business model regardless of when stuff happened. Is he ashamed of Bain after he left but proud of it while he was there? Bain didn’t suddenly change its colors after he left.

  319. Gorilla … ACA had unrelated stuff put in it. Horror of horrors. Happens all the time on both sides of the aisle. Usually it’s pork barrel stuff. In this case, it’s some extra taxes.

  320. Newt, here is a little business 101 for you kiddo.

    I am working on building a device and marketing it. It has various components one of which is the decal that will decorate the surface of my product. I searched all over the US for a company that could provide me the look I sought. The BEST price I could find in the US started out at $5.00 per unit. I then started to look outside the US. I found a place in China and did some research. I can buy the raw material here in the US, ship it to China, have them make my design, and ship it back to me at 0.65 per unit. The only downside being getting a return if I receive bad product.

    Now keep in mind the cost of the parts will determine what I will have to charge to get a profit margin that will make this venture worth while. I HAVE to source this part of my business to China if I stand a hope of being competitive. The fact Romney shipped jobs overseas is not surprising to me. This is not a flaw with Romney, but rather the world that allows for slave labor to take place, paying so little that they make our companies unable to compete.

    This ends today’s reality check. You may return to drinking your cool-aid and worshiping at the feet of your Messiah.

  321. “I still wonder if it would be ok if Romney followed your Messiah’s lead and released his tax returns in the same amount of time as he did his birth certificate?” – Nagic

    Actually, Romney took over a year longer than Obama to release his birth certificate, so it appears he’s following his own lead. :).

  322. I’ve really been trying to hold my tongue about the birth certificate thing but c’mon Noah stop it. He produced his birth certificate from the very beginning. Many of us, based on where we were born have different forms of certificate issued. I think I’ve seen at least two different versions of mine. Obama released a legal birth cert from the get-go. Then after pressure from The Donald, he finally released the long form.

    The question is not why did it take him so long to release the long form. The question is why did he do it at all. Why did the most powerful man in the world allow an exaggerating punk of a reality TV show host make him toe some sort of line? Personally I was ashamed when Obama released the long form, not gratified. He caved to racists and he should have been ashamed of himself to do so.

  323. Noah your point about outsourcing only holds weight when the alternative puts the company out of business. But loads of companies could shave a bit off their profit margin, still do very nicely, and hire Americans.

    It’s greed in many cases, plain and simple.

  324. I wonder if when Romney claimed to create 100,000 jobs during his “tenure” at Bain, if he was counting jobs created through ’99 or 2002? He might have to adjust his numbers. 😛

  325. Rutherford, business is not a social service. I want to make as much money as humanly possible. One does not go into business to make a “fair” profit. One goes into business to make the BEST POSSIBLE PROFIT MARGIN that can be had, and not a penny less. That is how a business ensures that it will be there for the long haul.

  326. Think for 2 seconds Rutherford. Someone will buy my device. They will take it apart. They will do as much or more research than I did. If I didn’t do my job right, they will find a cheaper way to make it, offer it to the market cheaper, and put me out of business. Greed is not the only motivating factor in business.

  327. “My theory … if they pursued this line of attack they’d have to suggest there is something WRONG with fetus disposal … and they don’t want to get caught doing that.”

    Uh, yeah. I mentioned that obvious paradox to you like three times. 🙄 Nothing like an ex post facto epiphany. You’re really on the ball.

    . . . back to licking ears. . .er assholes. . . er something.

  328. @ pf #396:
    Yup I just finished a handful of books and articles that looked into what you’re talking about.
    The empowerment of women acts over the past couple of decades have come to fruition. I don’t say that is a bad thing per se. I do believe it was crafted with a forgetfulness towards what makes women different and crucially important to society.
    On the flip side whilst the females were empowering the man boys initiated a form of cowering. Slipping back via age regression to riding small bikes,playing video games and embracing mass produced misogynist media products in infinite amounts the man-boys are exactly NOT what the new girls desire.
    One of the things I read looked at how the “nerd/geek” guys of yore (80’s-90’s) are now the hot ticket item for females who have put early tie downs aside but then need some man when the clock ticks off loudly. Ironically the model once scorned is now the “find” and the guys who once couldn’t get a prom date now have their choice.
    All in all I repeat I agree with you especially when you say: ..”We have “liberated” ourself right out of business, fellows. “
    We as a society that is.

  329. As for outsourcing and greed and whatever…
    First off since America has fully embraced the knowledge economy model with a heavy emphasis on service sector work some overseas job loss is unavoidable.
    Profits and competitiveness are interwoven but not necessarily the same things. Maximizing profits for many US based companies is exactly how they pay their US based employees. The knowledge economy types. Competitiveness on the global market also sprouts out of the unique opportunities our chosen economic model offers. We are not without competition here though. Germany for example,S. Korea also. Both countries ironically are in most peoples minds students of the manufacturing export economy model. The USA needs to up its game.
    Last note. The USA is still a very vital player in the objects usually seen solely as off shored production. Think Apple for a great example and the layers that are what goes into one of their products layers that when al is said and done finds the scale tipped in favor of the US.

  330. We are still helping friends sort and move stuff from one house to two other, so I don’t have time to read yesterday’s history.

    Obama is trying to swift boat Romney, in my opinion. Romney needs to attack with his business records or on Obama’s deficiencies. He needs Obama to be forced to defend his own record.

    Joe Jordon an Omaha analyst says as of today, Obama leads Romney by about two electoral votes. He thinks it is unlikely, but the election could go to the House.

    Meanwhile, the drought is sending grain prices to historic values and with the prospect of continued drought at least through the end of July, prices will trend even higher.

    The Omaha World Herald wrote that this could be a catastrophy for the government budget. Congress cannot agree on a new farm law. If they fail, the the permanent 1940 or so law takes effect. It forces the government to buy any grain surplus at parity prices which were set during WW1. The government might be paying $20.00 or so a bushel for wheat for example.

    Congress is too smart to let it happen, but life would get interesting if it did.

  331. And of course Romney may end up releasing his tax returns, so we’ll see what happens.-Newt

    Romney has released his 2010 taxes and estimated 2011. 2010 tax return is 55 pages and so far the journalists that are trying to analyze the information have come up short and are just trying to project what and where!

    Of course what is being said is that there is a need for more tax returns so the ones released can be understood. I guess the jigsaw puzzle is incomplete. And we really think the voters are capable of putting the puzzle together.

  332. A great quote from a Russian dissident. Take note, Fox News watchers:

    We do not err because truth is difficult to see. It is visible at a glance. We err because this is more comfortable. -Alexander Solzhenitsyn

  333. Did you have an epiphany?

    LOL. Occasionally teevee gives us accurate assessments of reality. I thought this was one of those moments. We are a real “Emperor’s new clothes” kind of people. I listen to the BS almost daily regarding how superior we are to the rest of the world. I think it time for some serious discussion regarding the seriousness of that illusion.

    Until we admit there is a problem, there is no chance we will ever fix it.

    On a separate note… Have you been keeping up with the LIBOR scandal? This is huge! Heads need to roll.

  334. One goes into business to make the BEST POSSIBLE PROFIT MARGIN that can be had

    That is indeed one way of looking at it. It justifies why Bain didn’t leave a little profit aside to fund the pensions of laid off workers at the companies it “helped”.

  335. Greed is not the only motivating factor in business.

    Never said it was. But I have no doubt if factors a great deal into the strategies of a good number of companies and heaven knows a good number of banks.

  336. Uh, yeah. I mentioned that obvious paradox to you like three times.

    I guess you haven’t figured out yet that when YOU say it, it’s conservative criticism. When I say it, it’s liberal truth. 🙂

    Could you go back to the mayonnaise metaphor … I liked it better than this licking stuff.

  337. Poolman, somewhat watching the story develop, understand there might be a connection to Mitt Romney.

  338. Careful James when you say Obama is trying to swift boat Romney. Remember you support the swift boating of Kerry if I remember correctly. So this tactic should be copacetic with you.

    I actually don’t agree with you though regarding tactics. Kerry had fellow soldiers rat on him if I remember correctly. On the contrary, Bain folks have been loyal to Romney.

  339. Leave it to the Heritage Foundation (the originators of Obamacare) to get their panties in a knot over a poorly worded statement by Obama.

    Elizabeth Warren has gone here already and she was right … and so was Obama. Newt also broached the idea in her question to Noah regarding his relatives.

    In this country we DO collectively help each other. We stand on each others shoulders. No one makes it totally alone. The entrepreneur should not feel diminished by admitting that he benefits from the Internet, a system originally built by the US military.

    EVERYONE is sucking from the “nanny state’s” tit. Just some of you don’t want to admit it.

    P.S. This comment refers to Noah’s link from Heritage.

  340. It’s a good video Poolman (i.e. The Newsroom clip). I hope one day YouTube has a clip from last night’s episode where Obama’s “200 million dollar trip to Mumbai” is completely debunked and right wing media (and Fox) are shown to be utter and complete liars on a scale that should be against the law. My blood pressure went up several notches watching the segment. 😦

  341. Re #425 correction: should have read 55 pages of offshore accounting

    #435 As to the LIBOR scandal, it occurred during Obama’s watch with Geithner and Bernanke at the helm.

  342. Have you been keeping up with the LIBOR scandal?

    Chris Hayes covered this in some depth a week ago. Debt rating fixing as I understand it. Haven’t heard a Romney connection though.

    I actually heard an economist DEFEND the LIBOR scam. He said that if posting an overly positive rating prevented a meltdown then the dishonesty was worth it.

  343. Thanks for the article Raji. Looks like the shenanigans predate Obama but do involve Geithner as NY Fed Reserve head. The article appears to say that Geithner did not try to cover up what was going on.

    The trick is that the rate was manipulated as a “favor” to folks who were betting on the rate going up or down. As a result the rate was raised OR lowered to satisfy some broker who was asking a favor.

    The piece I still don’t understand is the mechanism by which the rate gets set legitimately.

  344. It doesn’t get set legitimately. The whole system is a scam reliant on responsible monetary policy, responsible government fiscal policy and global motherfuckers believing. All three are in jeopardy.

    You can’t really create money out of thin air and then claim the interest rate is legitimate. Can you?

  345. Rutherford cracks me up. Instantly plays defense for the administration. Instantly.

    “Studder….cough..errrrr it it it had nothing to do with Obama. Yeah that’s the ticket. It’s localized in England.”

    This before Rutherford even understands wtf he is even talking about!

  346. Ehhhh no Rabbit you’re wrong on that one. Not a matter of playing defense but a matter of answering Raji’s comment that it happened on “Obama’s watch” which implies culpability. I was setting the record straight within the bounds of the article I read, acknowledging I’m not expert on it.

  347. As for creating money out of thin air … help a brotha out a bit on this one. If the money is not based on some other commodity (the “gold standard”? I’m just guessing) then aren’t we always creating money out of thin air?

  348. Let me get this straight, you start off by saying this:

    Now to the meat — why is Ellis counting Codification of the “economic substance doctrine” and Surtax on Investment Income under Obamacare when they don’t appear to have anything to do with health insurance?” – R

    And when it is pointed out that this is in the Obamacare legislation, you reply with this:

    Gorilla … ACA had unrelated stuff put in it. Horror of horrors. Happens all the time on both sides of the aisle. Usually it’s pork barrel stuff. In this case, it’s some extra taxes.” – R

    Do you have ANY intellectual integrity? Do you pause for even a second to THINK about that which you are defending? You’re a clown. A useful idiot, parroting the talking points of your betters and countering points with whats convenient at the time. Simple logic? Blah, who needs logic when you have liberalism, where ever evolving ends justify the means. You don’t have to worry about success because the means is all you concentrate on. Government needs more money, so to the liberal that means raising taxes, even when it has been shown that raising taxes decreases revenue, then of course the goal posts move from revenue to ‘fairness’.

    Clearly, you do not take this seriously. After all, why would you when you can watch more successful people catch the flack. Why raise yourself to their level when you can drag them down to yours. You live in an intellectual cesspool, where you are surrounded by the intellectual, moral and ethical vermin of the liberal sewers.

    You’re a very little man R.

  349. Rutherford, for what it is worth at this point, “Bob Diamond, who stepped down from his role at one of the world’s largest banks following the resignation of Barclay’s chief operating officer, was slated to co-host the fund-raiser in London during Romney’s upcoming trip to the Olympic Games.” CNN

  350. what is that worth Newt, hoping throwing a few words together would make a point?

    Curious still Rutherford, the clip in 304, does that sounds like a reasonable explanation to you, maybe make you say, I was wrong? Newtiekinds wasn’t up for it, howsa bout you?

  351. I would argue the dollar was tied to a commodity after Nixon took us off silver: Pax Americana. People believed in the dollar because they believed in America. It’s impossible to do that now because we wasted the commodity of trust and responsibility. I believe a gold or silver standerd to be deflationary in nature. Sadly, we have proved our selves too irresponsible to have it any other way. You can’t debase a dollar tied to responsibility and bankrupt the country at the same time.

  352. Noah, what’s with the Facebook links? There are still a few of us who refuse to publish our personal life online.

  353. You’re a very little man R.

    I don’t know why you have to keep harping on how small in stature I am. 🙂

    Look G, take a chill pill. You remember that “ability to detain Americans indefinitely” business that got signed into law a while back? That was part of an appropriations bill. It had nothing to do with appropriations. This thing happens ALL THE TIME.

    So my point is, knowing that completely unrelated stuff gets thrown into bills, it is slightly dishonest to call the parts of Obamacare that are really not Obamacare relevant to Obamacare. Instead of saying “Obamacare has all these different taxes” what should be said is “a lot of unrelated taxes got thrown in under the umbrella of Obamacare and we should first target those unrelated elements for repeal.”

    Instead, the author promotes the slightly misleading meme that Obamacare has all these different taxes associated with it when in fact some of those taxes are a byproduct of a dysfunctional congressional procedure that has existed for years now.

  354. Your fuck wad Dems stood up and lectured us how we don’t need to read the bill. Now, you have the nerve to tell people to take a chill pill? Bull shit. Obamacare is every single word in that bill.

  355. Rutherford
    I was playing the game. Newt keeps trying to link Romney to LIBOR and I linked it to Obama’s watch . Neither which is probably correct but makes for great politics. 😉

    LIBOR was just part of the whole roller coaster that created the ongoing 2008 “recession”. Why it is big news four years later should be the issue.

    http://xkcd.com/1081/
    Argument Victory

  356. WOW, when you think of it, there is something very smelly about using a trip to the Olympic games in London to fund raise for your candidacy in the United States. First, talk about politicizing the Games, second, now we clearly have foreign money financing a campaign.

    I guess it pays to have rich friends overseas. I wonder if the fund raiser has been scrapped now that Diamond is disgraced.

  357. Noah I’ve already addressed the Gergen video. I want to know what got edited out … notice right before Gergen makes his complaint about Obama’s tone, there is an odd pause in the video. Whoever edited the video did a lousy job.

    Rahm Emanuel got it right. Romney stop whining. What are you going to do when Putin or Ahmadinejad insults you?

  358. Great comment from Joe Trippi about Romney. Either Romney is ashamed of Bain’s practices or he isn’t. When he served is irrelevant. The practices didn’t change after he “retroactively retired”.

    It kind of reminds me of the fine line Obama had to walk saying he was not a Muslim. If he protested too loudly the message would be that there was something wrong with being Muslim.

    Similarly, when Romney protests that things happened after he left Bain, the message becomes a tacit admission that these things WERE wrong and not just a natural part of good old fashioned capitalism.

  359. “I believe a gold or silver standerd to be deflationary in nature. Sadly, we have proved our selves too irresponsible to have it any other way. You can’t debase a dollar tied to responsibility and bankrupt the country at the same time.”

    Educate me on this (that is not sarcasm). My understanding is that the dollar was basically completely stable as a repository of value from the very early days of the Republic until 1971, when Nixon took us off the gold standard, except for a mild deflationary bias due to increased manufacturing efficiency. (And why is inflation just dandy and deflation anathema? I’ll tell you why: inflation lets the govt steal what you have earned without having to face the voters’ wrath by officially raise taxes.) Since 1971, a dollar has inflated to be worth 1/20th of its value then. That’s right; a 2012 dollar is worth a 1971 nickel. That seem like the way to prosperity to you?

    You don’t have to do a full 100% gold or silver standard. Just do a 10%; the effect is very much the same; it puts a collar around the govt’s neck and keeps them from irresponsibly running up horrific debt and then wishing it away by printing money and stiffing their creditors. Every fiat currency has collapsed since time began, taking its country with it. As I understand it, a gold standard worked fine in the US for several centuries; why won’t at least a partial gold standard work now?

  360. @456 Right you are. I do not have nor ever intend to have a Facebook identity, so any references to same are just skipped over.

  361. I’ve wondered how many if any of Noah’s Facebook links come from his account. I’ve never posted stuff from Facebook here simply to protect my already tenuous anonymity.

    Funny, come to think of it, since Noah, Raji, Muffy, Poolman, James and Pfesser (did I leave anybody out?) are all M&H veterans, they may all know my “secret identity” since I was outed over there. 🙂 Oh well, the double life is largely a vestigial artifact of my paranoia from five years ago when I kicked this blog off. As I’ve told Tex, who thinks he has access to my Facebook page, I’ve got nothing to hide .. at least nothing that I’d post to Facebook. 🙂

  362. Before you guys go all Facebook paranoid … privacy can be controlled. If I search for John Smith, let’s say, a common name for which I’ll get lots of hits, many of those pages will reveal nothing more than the name John Smith until he actually “friends” me.

    I’m pretty sure, like a dope, I have a lot of stuff posted to “public” on FB which is why Tex can see a lot of my stuff … easy for Tex because he and I long ago exchanged real names. (Or to put it differently, I know he knows my real name … I THINK I know his. 😉 )

    Ages ago Rabbit sent me a pic of him so I might be able to pick him out in a police lineup but I have no idea what his name is. Could be Englebert Humpmydick for all I know.

    As for Poolman, I’ve only seen his fine pool work via an URL he sent me once.

    I have so enjoyed reconnecting with old friends via Facebook that I would recommend it to anyone without hesitation. If you’re a private person, you just have to control your settings properly.

    P.S. Before his sad demise, Jim Dougan (aka HippieProfessor) and I knew each other on FB. I also keep up with Fakename2 there also.

  363. PF, I finally read your report from the trenches and I’d have to observe it’s all a matter of culture.

    In my old CT neighborhood I found the conversation among the men AND the women equally insipid. The men talked mostly sports and lawn care. The women talked best places to shop, and griped about their husbands. Any attempt to introduce a topic of some intellectual worth or gravity was met with a cold stare and a silence that made your hair stand on end.

    PF, are you any where near UVA or some college town? I find the picture you painted very typical of college towns where the life of the mind is vibrant.

  364. So my point is, knowing that completely unrelated stuff gets thrown into bills, it is slightly dishonest to call the parts of Obamacare that are really not Obamacare relevant to Obamacare. ” – R

    Sit down R, this might hurt….

    They are relevant to Obamacare because they are WHAT PAYS FOR OBAMACARE YOU FUCKING FUCK-WAD. THEY are what the CBO used to score the bills funding structure. THEY are what Obama constantly touts as the means of paying for the bill. You jackass. This isn’t some bridge to nowhere; this is a bill that will cost some $1.2 TRILLION dollars and even these ridiculous and unrelated-to-healthcare taxes can’t pay for the damn thing. For a mathematician, your basic arithmetic sucks.

    How about 10 years of taxes for 6 years of service, and he was STILL near 50% under projected costs. What do you imagine the next 10 year cycle looks like? Oh, that right, we won’t have to worry about that because we’ll be FUCKING BANKRUPT.

    Jesus Christ, thank God for involuntary bodily functions because I’m not sure you’d figure out how to suck oxygen out of the atmosphere on your own.

  365. I’m not sure you’d figure out how to suck oxygen out of the atmosphere on your own.

    You’d be surprised how often I forget. 😉

    Hey G, I don’t remember if you ever answered my query from a thread or two ago. Did Libya confirm your worst Islamist nightmares or did leading from behind actually result in a democratically elected government?

  366. I’m in a wait and see WRT Libya. The government doesn’t control much territory and there are a lot of bad guys moving stuff and people through there.

    Are you gonna concede that you might not be looking at the big picture WRT Obamacare?

  367. Pfessor, good question. Honestly, it’s something I’m still trying to figure out. One the one hand, since Nixon until 2008, we saw the greatest boost to the standard of living in human history. Poor people get to live like rich people. I call it the “air conditioning factor”. Did the fiat dollar help essentially create the world’s largest economic bubble, one so large that even it’s garunteed popping was worth it? What an awesome position of power: a fiat dollar that is the medium exchange for oil. A monetary system that ensures money is not tucked under mattresses, but invested in the market.

  368. Weird. Nobody cares about Corzine. His finger prints are all over Obama. I still think he is raising money for him. That dude makes Madoff look like a shop lifter at Wallmart. MF Global was beyond fucled up. Imagine if your Etrade or Scott trade account was wiped out because they decided to steal your money amd gamble with it? Obama is in league with the biggest Wallstreet thief of all time!

  369. Like Newt said, the Obama campaign is all business. They don’t pull the trigger unless they got the goods. The Batman connection is real deal folks. Romney has to address this and, I argue, quickly.

  370. Are you gonna concede that you might not be looking at the big picture WRT Obamacare?

    I said long ago that Obamacare as currently constructed is a clusterf*ck. The only difference between the two of us is I don’t want to throw the baby out with the bathwater and I certainly don’t want to use it as a political chess piece to checkmate the POTUS.

  371. I close my night on the blog with a paraphrase of a quote from the inimitable James Carville:

    John McCain saw several years of Romney’s tax returns and chose Sarah Palin so you know something’s got to be wrong.

    😆

  372. Anybody run into this bit of news yet?

    President Obama’s declaration over the weekend that “If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”

    I also see that he is walking welfare reform back. When originally passed by Congress, some of the states decided a giant fuck-you was in order and began to define meaningful work as “reading, tobacco use cessation, bed rest.” Congress plugged those loopholes (BTW, then-senator Obama opposed that) and now Obama has directed his (HHS?) to ignore it and go back to paying people for “bed rest.”

    Man – if he is this out of his mind now, what will happen if he is re-elected and doesn’t have to worry about any more elections?

  373. @Rutherford 483 God bless you R. I love it when you’re fair balanced and right. Carville has been a lot of things in my book but when he points out stuff like that I say Yup

  374. DR@476

    Everything I have read says that a stable currency – that is guaranteed to remain stable – (i.e., tied to some type of hard currency like gold or silver) is the best long-term stimulus. That allows investors and entrepreneurs to completely eliminate that factor from their long-term calculations and concentrate on making fundamentally good investments, not hedges against inflation.

    I had just started to invest when the Reagan Revolution started. Three things things IMHO made it really work: 1) Volcker’s unwavering commitment to STOP inflation via Fed policies. 2) indexing taxes for inflation – this kept Congress from spending like drunken sailors, since it didn’t bring them in any more money like it had under Carter and before. 3) low taxes. I was amazed at how plump my paycheck had become in a single month’s pay period. What did I do? I invested all of the excess. And so did a lot of other people.

    The problem is that the govt, and IRS in particular, has taken away all the tax code simplification that took place under Reagan and now it is worse than ever. The govt keeps growing and keeps finding ways to take more of the taxpayers’ money to 1)grow and 2)buy votes with it – and Obama is by far the worst I have ever seen. (“worst” – that’s a pretty high bar.)

  375. “And after reviewing evidence cited by the Obama campaign, we reaffirm our conclusion that Romney left the helm of Bain Capital when he took a leave of absence in 1999 to run the Salt Lake City Organizing Committee for the 2002 Winter Olympics – as he has said repeatedly — and never returned to active management. The Obama campaign’s recent ads thus mislead when they point to investments made by Bain, as well as management decisions made by companies in which Bain invested, after that time.”

    If this is all they got, it just shows how they are trying to move the conversation away from his poor presidency. Worse, they are telling blatant lies. How is the media letting them get away with this? Are these not the items they are supposed to focus on?

    http://factcheck.org/2012/07/factcheck-to-obama-camp-your-complaint-is-all-wet/

  376. Re 436, Rutherford. I believe the Swift Boaters told at least part of the truth about Kerry. The many veterans who ratted on Kerry support my opinion. However, on another level, it was an emotion based political attack designed to destroy Kerry’s main rational for running.

    The Democrats denigrated Bush’s service as inconsequential compared to War Hero Kerry. We needed a “real” veteran who knew war to cope with the military challenges facing us.

    The Swift Boat was a device to destroy Kerry’s reason d’etre. He should have counter attacked immediately, but he ignored it, too long. By the time he did, he was ineffectual, and a percentage of the voters internalized the drum beat of Kerry the oppertunistic slacker

    The Obama campaign is doing the same thing. Romney’s claim to fame is his business acumen. He says Obama is an economic clueless wonder. Obama is using Bain Capital etc. to discredit Romney’s primary credentials for running. He doesn’t have to tell the truth. A lie repeated often enough becomes the “truth” for some people. It also changes the subject from questions Obama cannot answer.

    In that respect, Bain Capital and its fellow travelers is Swift Boaters resurrected. I don’t like the tactic either, but it works.

  377. 483, wrong Renansance man! I don’t think Romney’s taxes had anything to do with it.Maybe they did, but other more obvious reasons led to Sarah. McCain was a bland old man who had trouble filling campaign venues. Romney as so stiff he made McCain look like Jerry Seinfeld. Moreover, Romneycare did not play well.

    Enter Sarah Palin. She was the most popular governor in Alaska. She had beaten the oil companies at their own game, and she had proven she could work with Democrats.. She was pretty, vibrant and as telegenic as Obama was.

    Palin gave a good speech, even when the teleprompter temporarily filled. She was adept with memorable one liners, and so many people came to watch her speak that McCain altered his schedule to make joint appearances with her. The ticket rose in the poles and led Obama at times.

    Of course, that was before the Democrats and press Swift Boated Palin and her family and she helped finish the hatchet job. The campaigns were not wizzards who could read the future. They had only projections, and Sarah Palin as the ant-Obama looked good.

  378. Pfessor, is Vockler still with it? I wonder what he thinks about all this easing. It took balls to raise interest rates.

  379. I agree with rabbit. Romney must address these charges fast or Obama will serve a second term.

    His comments about how business people did not earn their prizes further illustrates Obama’s Marxist orientation. Meanwhile, rich French people are fleeing to lower taxed countries like Britain after learning the new socialists want to impose up to 75% taxes. As I wrote earlier, Scandinavians are also invading Britain.

    Where will we go, Britain, Mexico, Estonia, Canada, or will Obama make us too poor to worry?

    We are about to leave for another long of helping move. I had no idea how much stuff a family could accumulate over the years.

  380. Volcker is still around, still with it. He is, of course, the main author of the “Volcker Rule,” – basically similar to Glass-Steagall, enforcing a wall between banks’ using their money for proprietary trading, vs using depositors.’

  381. The following observation was made on that bastion of communist propaganda MSNBC the other day and I thought it worth offering to the masses here.

    While we have the highest corporate tax rate among the major countries of the world, we have so many loopholes that we are the worst at actually collecting those taxes. Kind of a silly system. It’s why lowering the rate and eliminating the loopholes does make sense. (The rate is really nothing more than bad public relations since no corporation ever really pays it.)

  382. I wonder if Romney was at the Bohemian Grove over the weekend for their kickoff and ‘Cremation of Care’ ceremony? His schedule says he had nothing planned this past Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.

  383. “People don’t build businesses are on their own.”

    Yes they do. And they can destroy them on their own too.

    Neither the government nor Obama can take credit for others’ businesses success — with Solyndra, its progeny and the recent attacks on Romney’s felonious command of Bain (snicker).

    R, you and your dependent ilk finding nothing wrong with Obama’s statement “is the problem.”

    Let us know when you lay your livelihood on the line to pursue a business and what credit you’d like to give the government if you and how much if you succeed.

  384. I am amused that here or in a recent thread, FactCheck.org and similar sites were condemned as liberal mouthpieces. Now suddenly, they are credible because they bash the POTUS. I really love you guys.

    I agree the ads take great liberties with the timeline. I think this whole tempest in a teapot reveals why it is difficult for a wealthy businessman to run for POTUS. Business can be convoluted and confusing to the average voter. Be honest … on the face of it, it does not make sense for Romney to be signing SEC documents as CEO when he is no longer the CEO. The campaign’s explanation seems reasonable enough to me because I’ve worked in a corporate bureaucracy in a management position. Your average blue collar worker might not be so understanding. And the Obama campaign is clearly taking advantage of this.

    AND as I’ve stated in earlier comments, Mitt cannot simply say “it didn’t happen on my watch.” He either has to say “it’s distorted and didn’t happen at all” OR “while it didn’t happen on my watch, it was consistent with the company policy we had when I worked there and I DEFEND IT AS A COMPLETELY LEGIT BUSINESS MODEL.”

    To echo what a lot of pundits are saying across the political spectrum, Romney needs to stop playing defense, own his past and show why it prepares him to be a good POTUS.

    P.S. The same goes for his taxes. Release the damn returns and assuming there is nothing illegal in there, tell the American public “I want to reduce tax rates and eliminate all the loopholes that allowed me to tax shelter my money.” Again …. he can OWN this and turn it to his advantage. He’s flat footed. (Or at least his campaign is. Several conservatives have urged him to fire a few of them and bring in some new blood.)

    The current state of the country with 8% unemployment makes the POTUS the GOP’s to lose. And at this rate, they just might do it.

  385. James I’d never claim that Romney’s taxes were a deciding factor with McCain — I just thought Carville’s comment was a f*cking great one-liner.

    Truth be told, McCain loathed Romney as did all his GOP primary opponents. That’s why McCain’s endorsement of him now is such a joke. But that’s politics.

  386. Romney to be signing SEC documents as CEO when he is no longer the CEO.

    He was CEO zipper head. He remained CEO, president and majority shareholder until replaced. That does not equate with responsibility for steering the ship. You’ll be shocked to know there are other people in place to manage a company. Shit this is dumb. Even Wolf Blitzer knows this is s dumb. Not you. You applaud.

    Defend it as a legit business model? What are you talking about specifically R? What’s wrong with Bain’s business model?

    Enquiring minds want to know with specificity, not you repeating MSNBC repeating Obama’s ad campaign.

    Anti-competitive blather appeals to those that are takers not producers. Think you’re up to the task?

  387. “That’s why McCain’s endorsement of him now is such a joke. But that’s politics.”

    Carville and the Clintons to Obama? Are you fucking serious?

  388. rich French people are fleeing to lower taxed countries like Britain

    Bizarre … in the early 70’s the Rolling Stones were tax exiles from England TO France.

  389. Let us know when you lay your livelihood on the line to pursue a business and what credit you’d like to give the government if you and how much if you succeed.

    I’m pursuing a business as you well know and its success or lack thereof is impacting my family’s finances. But as I said earlier what little money I bring in is via the Internet, invented by the US military and available free of charge to every American citizen (if you don’t count the cost of DSL or cable). So no … I’m not making it totally on my own.

    We are all supported one way or the other by a government provided infrastructure. You’re deluded if you deny it.

  390. Newt, the most benign reason conjectured so far for why Mitt is not releasing the returns is that in some years he may have paid ZERO taxes. While completely legal, it would be damn hard to explain to the American public.

  391. Is the government responsible for your failures too R?

    Using your deep analysis, someone else is responsible for your success if used a pencil rather than a computer unless you or Gore/Clinton “invented” that too.

    You would not be in business if it weren’t for other businesses.

    Can’t say that I would expect anything different than Obama’s point resonating with your dependent socialist mindset.

    At least you can now give yourself permission to thank Obama for his business success like Solyndra. Couldn’t have achieved such mind-blowing losses without him!

  392. R – Sure others are involved in any business enterprise. Anybody at any time in the history of man who started his own business used every resource at hand – it’s silly to suggest otherwise.

    The point of contention is the attitude that somehow a business’s success has very little to do with the efforts of the entrepreneur himself and is largely due to the efforts of others.

    Bullshit. I have had several businesses. You put your livelihood on the line each and every time – possibly the fruits of a lifetime of work, risked on your savoir faire, luck and unbelievable quantities of work. It is a whole magnitude different from waltzing over to Wal-Mart and running a cash register five days a week, risking NOTHING, and I resent ne’er-do-wells like Obama, who have never even held a real job, let alone started a business of their own, belittling those who have.

  393. Tigre, Tigre, Tigre.

    First … good point on Carville and the Clintons vis-a-vis Obama. That is pure politics.

    Second, I’ll watch the Cutter clip later but I will say this. Cutter was on Face the Nation Sunday and her voice flitted in and out and she seemed very uncomfortable. The Republican guest sitting next to her was comparatively composed. Cutter was wrong to use the word “felony”. When you float that word out there you do it for a reason … same as when a Clinton adviser floated the word “cocaine” in 2008 on “Hardball” in reference to Obama.

    But let’s review this one more time ole Tigre. Bain’s business model was to support businesses BUT to do it in such a way that every deal was a win-win for Bain. They always walked away with money regardless of the fate of the company they assisted. Companies that shut down under Bain’s “largesse” could not offer pension plans to terminated employees because Bain didn’t have the corporate decency to give up a slice of their profit and provide for pension funds.

    Bain is a part of capitalistic reality. I get that. I also get they are an “honest” business. But you need to get your head out of that law office cloud you’re in and understand that the American public doesn’t like the nasty parts capitalism. The average Joe doesn’t get “wealth management”. Their view is that when a company (or bank) loans money to a business, it’s a simple affair, not some deal where the lender loads the company with debt and walks away with a nice reward when said company dies.

    Finally, again … if you’re gonna try to sell the idea that the CEO of a company doesn’t actually run the company, then you’re smoking dope. Romney signed SEC docs as CEO. In every normal world (not bizarro world) that means the Bain buck stopped with Romney until 2001. Now, as I said before, I understand corp bureaucracy so I get how it could take some time for a company to transition from CEO to “management team”. BUT again … the American public doesn’t get that. To Factory Joe, if you sign your name as CEO, you’re responsible.

  394. I have come to like Chris Hedges. I don’t always agree with him, but more often than not, I think he is right on. He has spoken for the Occupy movement. He has been on the leading edge of the information age and was instrumental in the court striking down the unconstitutionality of parts of the NDAA.

    This article is really good and I hope more Americans will wake up to reality – soon! Support our troops. Bring them home.

    We condition the poor and the working class to go to war. We promise them honor, status, glory, and adventure. We promise boys they will become men. We hold these promises up against the dead-end jobs of small-town life, the financial dislocations, credit card debt, bad marriages, lack of health insurance, and dread of unemployment. The military is the call of the Sirens, the enticement that has for generations seduced young Americans working in fast food restaurants or behind the counters of Walmarts to fight and die for war profiteers and elites.

    http://www.bostonreview.net/BR37.4/chris_hedges_war_soldiers_army_military_suicides_ptsd.php

  395. Poolman, the economy is as much responsible for young men and women volunteering for the military as anything. And in case you haven’t heard, the drawdown in Afghanistan has begun and I know it won’t be fast enough for you, or most of the rest of us, but it is quite an involved process.

  396. Pfesser, I’d submit way too much was read into what Obama said. Obama and Warren are trying to appeal to a society that has become increasingly insulated, selfish and self-aggrandizing. They are trying to remind us that we belong to a COMMUNITY and a SOCIETY. We are not little islands. We are interdependent (not dependent but interdependent). This is also stated against the back drop of a business world run amok (specifically the banks).

    Poolman, I don’t have time to read the Hedges article right now but I LOVE the excerpt you posted and I fully agree with it.

  397. Newt, the ‘drawdown’ is bogus. Strictly political mumbo jumbo. We are filling the void with contractors and will still be paying for it. It also has become a NATO stronghold.

  398. No … unless they tax me out of business. 😉

    Well, look at the bright side. 100% of nothing is still nothing. You’re one of the few that can’t lose either way. 😉

  399. You can’t get away from Bomba. I was going to watch the U.S. Olympic basketball game last night – and who should appear to hold the start of the game? The megalomaniac Obamas making their grand entrance. Gut wrenching and truly awful to watch.

    Then they place Shelly’s nasty face grabbing a kiss from Spunky on the big board – monkey cam.

    I changed the channel. I can’t even look at the frauder in thief anymore.

  400. 100% of nothing is still nothing.

    Cute, if only it worked that way. This week I have to give the Illinois state government $250.00 to file my “annual report”. No good goddam reason for it. Basically, “if you want to stay in business, give us $250.00”. Extortion plain and simple.

    Dammit … I’m gonna join the Tea Party!!!!! 👿

  401. “if you’re gonna try to sell the idea that the CEO of a company doesn’t actually run the company, then you’re smoking dope.”

    Yeah. I am. Where’s the dope? Saying what you’ve said with such confidence proves that you clearly know nothing of corporate governance — even after being given the benefit of articles explaining what you need to know. Maybe you should watch the portion of morning Joe where Rattner had to shrug about the lame accusations too.

    Your confidence that the average Joe is also getting sucked into the black hole of Obama double-speak is proof that you can not separate the know nothing, non-MSNBC watching, uncommitted, voting block that looks at Romney;s success as a plus, not a negative.

    Your friend Cutter that said “felony,” was given a chance to clarify and correct, but obviously Obama has sent her out there to continue offering falsehoods — and she’s uncomfortable with it. I could only wonder what would’ve happened had a conservative said such racist comments about Obama. 🙄

    If Romney had not been replaced within the organization as explained, then Obama’s claim that Romney committed a felony (or desire that that be the perception) is one you’d reject, right? Just kidding. That’s your boy R. No matter how pathetic, he is always right or it just doesn’t matter.

    Now an insolvent/bankrupt/ failing business can’t honor pension commitments — unless the government comes in to screw creditors like it did with GM. And if I understand your point, you believe that Bain had an obligation of some sort and would have made the investments if required to? Of course, I asked for specifics too. 🙄

  402. R @ 521, shut up and pay your fair share. You should volunteer your money to the government to whom you are indebted for any success or income you might generate.

    Greedy capitalist. . .

  403. Shut the fuck up, Rutherford. Listen to your Dear Leader – government built those bridges – you didn’t.

    You owed to Rahm and Barack – they should have docked you double for your bad attitude.

  404. I am amused that here or in a recent thread, FactCheck.org and similar sites were condemned as liberal mouthpieces. Now suddenly, they are credible because they bash the POTUS. I really love you guys.

    To quote them is not to change who and what they are. This isn’t sudden. This is you using this to distract from the truth. It IS what you do. It IS your only defense. Once again, as I called it…you go for the source. The truth…or the message..only has interest when it serves you. When it doesn’t it becomes about something else. This is why I feel you have serious integrity issues.

  405. R, if Obama has no legal requirement to release his college transcripts, then Mitt has no legal requirement to release his tax returns beyond what he has thus far.

    The left claims Obama is the smartest man in the room, fine, prove it.

    Mitt’s already shown that he is rich. This is purely a distraction from Obama’s record, which you try desperately to run from. If the left is so proud of Obama, then they should be running on his record, they- and you- are not. One word: COWARD.

  406. Newt, the most benign reason conjectured so far for why Mitt is not releasing the returns is that in some years he may have paid ZERO taxes. While completely legal, it would be damn hard to explain to the American public.

    Show your proof please.

  407. Name President asked for his college transcripts other than Obama. Then why should he be asked for his?

  408. But but but….GM is a government success! Of course, it was discovered a large chunk of Chevy’s vehicles were being bought by the gov’t and Chevy is busily advertising a nice, new return program. 😆

    Does that sound like a well oiled machine, or a marketing gimmick of a struggling company? Chrysler did that before going under the first time.

    Remember when we taxpayers who owe government for our successes like Rutherford were going to get our money back from another Bomba success – Obama is dead is GM lives?

    http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=GM+Interactive#symbol=gm;range=2y;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined;

  409. Thanks for the complement Rutherford. I thought Carvill was funny too. You have a point about McCain’s hatred of Romney. That was another reason for him to like Sarah. Yes, politics make people do strange things.

    Obama’s saying businesses owe their success to government etc. displays his socialist beliefs. For example, we did the planning, and the work to create our business. The government sometimes provided a safety net, but on other occasions, we survived IN SPITE of the government. No man is an island, but we owe our success to local economics and neighbors, not the government.

    Obama was an affirmative action man. He was special as people and organizations paved the way for his success. Its understandable that he as a socialist would feel as he does, but he is wrong.

    Obama was not speaking to our fragmenting sense of community. He was softening us up for government expropriation of our hard earned wealth through higher taxes. Elizabeth Warren claimed she was the inspiration for OWS, and she wasn’t talking about a sense of community. She was taking socialism.

    I agree with Newt or no newt. Many people enlist in the service for economic as well as patriotic reasons. And a draw down is an involved process.

    The Coast Guard says it will be pickier with new applicants because more people are electing to stay in. The economy is driving more to enlist, and i is turning more who already serve into lifers.

  410. John Sununu is treating Obama like he needs to be treated. Obama needs to be called a bald faced liar daily, with a penchant for America hating and a disdain of free enterprise. I loved it today when Sununu stated this jackass for President needs to learn to be an America.

    I’m with Neil Boortz on this one. Obama is not a socialist by the textbook definition – he’s a fascist who needs that shit eating grin slapped off his face each and every day.

    I figure August is about here. About time to start laying the wood to this closet Muslim’s ass…

  411. I got where I am, because of a couple of exceptional teachers; I know I didn’t pay them nor did my parents pay them. We couldn’t afford to pay them, but with the help of the community, some not even parents, I received an education and the encouragement to persevere. If you want to call that socialism, I’m okay with it.

  412. I got where I am, because of a couple of exceptional teachers; I know I didn’t pay them nor did my parents pay them.

    Were your parents living off the dole too? Because if they worked and/or owned a home, they most certainly did pay them.

    Be grateful to people like me that didn’t want my children attending school with people like you, but still paid a hefty sum in property taxes, state taxes, and local taxes so you could have a marginal education.

  413. So they took the test for you? Why are liberals so willing to keep people down? Another great example of the lefts Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations. You can’t do this, you need me. You’re not smart enough, strong enough, quick enough, creative enough, etc, etc, etc.

    So here’s a question: if it takes you to make anyone into anything, then why has the War on Poverty done so little? Why aren’t the folks on welfare, food stamps or unemployment the most successful people in our society? After all, they get FAR more help than I do…

  414. Neither your parents nor you paid the entire salary of all the teachers in your past or in your children’s, Tex. Neither did my parents or I, I still pay my share for schools, teachers, books, etc, and I don’t bitch about it. And I don’t create fantasies in my mind, to make myself feel I am better than anyone else, because I have a satisfying, useful life.

  415. To quote them is not to change who and what they are.

    But that speaks to credibility Noah. If a source is not credible (as many of you have claimed about FactCheck) then how can you use it when it suits your purposes? Talk about lack of integrity.

    Did you bother to read my entire comment? I did not dismiss FactCheck’s findings. I acknowledged the Obama ads have major timeline problems. But I also pointed out that these time line problems don’t change the nature of Bain which was and is Romney’s baby.

  416. G, I personally could care less if Romney releases his tax returns. These comment threads get so long that you guys forget the actual article that starts them — “Mitt Romney is Very Very Rich — Get Over It”.

    But since others are asking to see them, you’d be a fool to advise Romney to keep them under wraps. If Obama releases his college transcripts (God you can be so juvenile) the worst we’ll see is that he was a raving idiot. If Romney releases more tax returns, the worst we could see is that he is shady, or outright criminal. I think the latter revelation is a lot more damning than the former.

    But again … I don’t care about his tax returns personally. All I know is he did NOT create 100,000 jobs. He did NOT do a bang up job of running Massachusetts and that leaves his saving the Olympics. On those grounds we should make Peter Ueberroth President of the United States.

    The GOP primary voters picked the wrong man. Now the election really will be a referendum on Obama since no real alternative has been offered.

  417. Show your proof please.

    Proof of what? What about the word “conjectured” do you not understand? No proof is necessary. Pundits are guessing as to why the man won’t release more years. They can’t prove he paid zero taxes until he releases the returns.

  418. But that speaks to credibility Noah. If a source is not credible (as many of you have claimed about FactCheck) then how can you use it when it suits your purposes? Talk about lack of integrity.

    This is what separates me from you. I choose honestly and the truth every time…because the truth is what is most important. You would sell your best friend if the price was right. You who have thee most dishonest track record on this board have no business even tying the word integrity. I ..my brutha, do not need to judge the source. Having integrity means being willing to put one’s self out there and hold one’s self accountable, even if it means being proven wrong.

    Quote me mah man…where I once debunked FactCheck, here or on M & H. Each account earns you $50.00. Bring it Bitch.

    Did you bother to read my entire comment? I did not dismiss FactCheck’s findings

    Besides the point. You dont get to slap me in the face then say you agree and not get any fall out for it. The truth remains you always as, your Leftist masters have trained you to do, go after the source to discredit it in an attempt to mask the truth.

    I am just glad I don’t have to look my kid in the eye knowing what kind if human being I am when they are not looking. Consider one day they will find your writings. How do you think they will judge you.

  419. Show your proof please.

    Proof of what? What about the word “conjectured” do you not understand? No proof is necessary. Pundits are guessing as to why the man won’t release more years. They can’t prove he paid zero taxes until he releases the returns.

    Sorry I should have realized the concept of making responsible claims would elude you without me holding your hand and providing written instructions. To make the claim one should have some basis for making an accusation. On what do you base your claim that he might have paid no taxes?

  420. #549 and based on Romney’s record heading the Olympic, would he outsource our military’s uniforms and equipment to Burma/Myanmar?

  421. Name President asked for his college transcripts other than Obama. Then why should he be asked for his?

    Very simple, because he’s black. It’s a variation on the poll questionnaire of Jim Crow south used to keep blacks from voting. Gotta prove you can read and write before being pres-o-dent. 👿

  422. “Pundits are guessing as to why the man won’t release more years. They can’t prove he paid zero taxes until he releases the returns.”

    Now where was this logic when it came to EP in F&F?

    Now since Oblamo’s primary “experience” prior to office was academics, what’s the problem with evaluating HIS performance by looking at his transcripts?

    Shit. What the left went through to get all manor of records from Bush, transcripts, medical and military which they went so far as to fabricate (Killian memos) one might wonder what Oblamo’s hiding. I mean President of Harvard law review without any published reviews? WTF??

    Even Fauxcahontis published something in Pow Wow Chow — an apparently edible dish too (albeit plagiarized).

    Obama gives us an admittedly made-up/concocted autobiography nobody would labor through — including you. 🙄

  423. “Very simple, because he’s black.”

    After I gave you a list of former presidents and candidates that released their transcripts you come back to fucking racism? Quit being a douche.

  424. Shit, Reagan’s transcripts from Eureka are at the library named after him.

    I can’t believe this our second trip around this track R. I really can’t.

  425. Whittle is an ass.

    1. Gitmo could not be closed without congressional cooperation. Obama didn’t get it.

    2. The ability to arrest without warrant was a tempest in a teapot as testified to by many on this very blog.

    3. Just a bit of “rhetorical support” would have toppled the Iranian regime? And you take Whittle seriously? He’s a walking joke.

    4. No proof ever offered that Obama has spent one dime to keep his academic records “sealed”. Urban legend. Whittle should be punched in his whittle face.

    5. Tony Rezcko? Really digging up that stupidity again?

    6. The New Party was a third political party in the United States that tried to re-introduce the practice of electoral fusion. In electoral fusion, the same candidate receives nomination from more than one political party and occupies more than one ballot line. Fusion was once common in the United States but is now commonly practiced only in New York State, although it is allowed by law in seven other states. The party was active from 1992 to 1998. The New Party endorsed Barack Obama in his successful 1996 run for the Illinois Senate. Nothing here about socialism … again Whittle is an a$$hole.

    Whittle is such a f*cking hemorrhoid I stopped watching after little over three minutes (when he got to the part of mocking Obama’s call on Osama).

    If I could take Whittle, which unfortunately I can’t, I’d break every bone in his body. He’s a soft spoken prick of the first order.

    F*ck you Bill Whittle …. and yo mama too! (Oh I forgot, I f*cked her last night.)

  426. Based on how crazed that video made me, I hereby announce I am skipping all future Whittle videos. Post ’em if you want. They will be for everyone else’s entertainment. Not mine.

  427. Consider one day they will find your writings. How do you think they will judge you.

    😆 😆 😆 This from the dude who said “bring it bitch”. Noah you are too much!!!!

  428. G, good to see you making the rounds more frequently.

    When is Gorilla Radio gonna launch? Rumor has it R is going to disguise his voice and call in. 😆

  429. Neither your parents nor you paid the entire salary of all the teachers in your past or in your children’s, Tex. Neither did my parents or I, I still pay my share for schools, teachers, books, etc, and I don’t bitch about it.

    You’re the female version of the Dome lineup during Katrina. Helpless and without purpose other than surival. You sure your name wasn’t Gypsy on another day? You consume and offer disease in return. Like a swollen tick. Why would a bloodsucker ever bitch?

    Like Rutherford, undoubtedly you believe money grows on trees that you’re not tall enough to reach. That dole you live on? Here’s a shocka, Newton. Somebody paid for that – and definitely not you.

    But the aggregate taxpayer paid every dime of the teachers. And my wife and I educated our children in exclusively private schools to get a country mile away from mindless stooges like you – that’s why they are excelling so. 😀

    So we paid every dime of both of our daughter’s education, and you benefited on account of it because our monies were allocated to your idiot ilk in your failed schools. Expensive, failed schools.

    And I don’t create fantasies in my mind, to make myself feel I am better than anyone else, because I have a satisfying, useful life.

    Ignorance is bliss. If we put you in a pot of water and slowly raised the temperature, you would boil to death while croaking Yes We Can!

  430. Based on how crazed that video made me, I hereby announce I am skipping all future Whittle videos. Post ‘em if you want. They will be for everyone else’s entertainment. Not mine.

    Oh, you can bank on every new Whittle video will be appearing here. 😛 Viewing is voluntary, of course. Like I’ve said before – the greater the wailing and gnashing of teeth, the better the exposure of that fraud you sell.

    You know, Rutherford. Yours is the life, the party, the politic, the man, the philosophy of immorality, covetousness and envy. There is nothing of personal worth and the result is always depravity and failure. Some (OWS) fail quicker than others (The Great Society).

    It’s a house of cards. One day, and I predict you’ll live to see it, you will see your philosophy rendered completely bankrupt and scorned like Nazi Germany, Stalinism, Maoism.

    But for that to happen, should Romney win, Romney voters are going to have to realize that we can’t much improve ourselves with your millions of mindless ilk amongst us. We’ve got to figure out how to shake the deadwood and stench of your perversion to excel.

  431. Tex since you do not even know me, I can hardly be the source of your unhappiness, something about your own life must be really bothering you. It might be time for you to do some soul searching.

  432. Tex since you do not even know me, I can hardly be the source of your unhappiness, something about your own life must be really bothering you. It might be time for you to do some soul searching.

    😈 I’ll sure remember that, give it all due consideration from someone I admire as much as you, and I promise as soon as you do some searching for rational thought, I’m on board, hot stuff.

    xxox,

    Papi

  433. Yeah, what is up with the envy, R? Look, I’m not beholden to corporate America. I root for JP M. and Bank of America to fail. I practically jerk off to the BAC chart ending at 7 bucks a share. But, it’s not envy that drives me in that case. I just want to see them get spanked for failing. I hate losers, not winners. I am in awe of success stories. I respect the ambition and I’m glad that Capitalism provides an outlet for it. You guys are haters. Always down playing success. I’ve met liberals way worse then you in this regard. You’re an appologist for Obama. Nothing more, nothing less. But you have to admit, dude, you have so many haters on the left. I know them personally. I drive around rich neighborhoods and look at mansions for fun. My soon to be 3 year old screams “Wow!” I’m guessing most liberals don’t do that.

  434. Well, if you can’t laugh at yourself, who can you laugh at?

    I installed my new kitchen faucet yesterday. You will remember me bitching about the expense of a plumber and deciding to do it myself with a new faucet, rather than replace a part on a ten year old faucet. Took a little effort to get the old one off – but no big deal.

    If I wouldn’t have had a shut off valve on the hot water that decided it didn’t want to really work, it would have been a piece of cake. And since for some reason, even shutting off the main, I had more than a trickle out of the outside faucets after five minutes, I shut it off at the tank.

    And everything would have been cake, had I not decided to remove part of the plumbing from the disposal to the drain to reach the hot water tap with a basin wrench. Ten minutes, good to go.

    Got it hooked up, check the connections, only a slight leak on one connector – a little elbow grease fixed that.

    But like a dumbass…

    I forgot to hook the plumbing back from the disposal to the drain. And naturally, after dinner while cleaning my hamburger plate, I moved the faucet over, turned on the disposal, and had about three gallons of the nastiest crap run all over the floor before I could get the damn thing shut off! Boy, was I pissed at myself pulling a Rutherford. 😡

    Had to run a fan all night under the sink.

    All’s well now. Still bet I saved myself $250.00. Guess a wet cabinet basin is worth that. I’m sure the plumber would have remembered the pipe he put to the side. 😳

    Frankly, I’m surprised more people don’t do stuff like that on their own. It is practically brainless work, if your memory not failing like mine.

  435. My air conditioner broke and the heating and cooling guy lied his ass off. Told me the motor that pushes the air inside the house couldn’t be replaced and that it was shot because it had bad bearings. I also had a bad wheel. I’d be better off replacing the entire furnace.

    I had a buddy look at it and the motor doesn’t even have bearings! Wheel perfect. 90 bucks to fix.

    I can’t believe the guy thought I was a mark.

  436. Many of those heating and air goons are there with the plumbers – had something similar two years ago, Rabbit.

    Furnace quits working when it is three below. I pull the cover off and get it to work, but as soon as the furnace shuts off, the problem returns. I have to take the damn cover off again and start the process over.

    Heating is one thing I generally don’t like to mess with.

    Guy comes out, quickly identifies the part. Says he doesn’t have it on the truck. Comes back the next day while the house sinks to 49 degrees that night, takes maybe three minutes to replace and charges me two house calls. 😡 $150.00 for 10 minutes of work and about a $3.00 part.

  437. Rumor has it R is going to disguise his voice and call in.

    Yeah I’m planning my debut as Rocky Ranetti, ultra conservative.

    Ah damn … I already blew my cover. Gotta pick a new alias!

  438. I’m guessing most liberals don’t do that.

    Well I honestly can’t speak for most liberals. When I was a kid, I visited a colleague of my Dad, a music teacher in the public school system (the colleague, not my Dad). He had a stunning home. I didn’t covet the home. I wanted to know what I had to do to get it. And I’ll never forget that the dude was completely honest — “buy and sell your way to it. Buy a small one, sell it for more money and buy a bit bigger and eventually you’ll get it.” It kinda worked for me. Granted I took a HUGE loss on my first investment (a small condo in the 1980’s) but eventually I had the home of my dreams.

    I never envied anyone. I just wanted to know how they got what they got so I could see if I could emulate their formula.

    I think I’ve said more than once (again partly the theme of this blog post) that I have NO problem with Mitt Romney being rich, And there is zero doubt that the Democratic party is playing class warfare by trying to make him look immoral because he’s rich.

    Let me repeat for the umpteenth time. There are two lines of valid attack against Romney. He said he created thousands of jobs at Bain. Prove him wrong. Once that is done, his biz experience doesn’t amount to sh*t as far as running a country is concerned. Then focus like a f*cking laser beam on his Governorship of Massachusetts. That’s the right way to go after Romney. Then, as we get closer to November, lay out a REAL plan to get this country moving again … not hope and change but something people can wrap their arms around.

    But I’ll tell you this, so long as I see folks acting like Rush Limbaugh robots (“Obama hates this country”), I will hope with every fiber of my being that Obama wins a second term because irrational hatred MUST be defeated.

  439. Boy, was I pissed at myself pulling a Rutherford.

    Correction my good friend. Although in MUCH worse financial straits than you, I would have hired a professional plumber and not attempted to have my cheap ass botch the job.

    In this case, pulling a Rutherford would have been paying a plumber money you don’t have (can you spell V-I-S-A?) and going further in debt.

    But at least you figured out your error, corrected it, and cleaned the mess up. And I suppose you still have the satisfaction of the money saved. 🙂

  440. I really don’t care what Obama thinks about America. I assume, considering his church, he might obsess on the bad stuff. But, I don’t care. Irrational hatred? Yeah, we’re just a bunch of meanies picking on the lonely well spoken negro. It has nothing to do with the failed stimulus (by their own benchmarks), horrible unemployment rate, asshole commentary about every racial controversy, corruption ala Solyndra, and the largest debt bomb in human history. We’re just meanies.

    By the way, your Dad’s friend was dead wrong. He played musical chairs at the right place and time. His ass would be in an apartment if his hey day was this decade.

  441. I finally watched the Morning Joe segment posted earlier (I think by Tigre). Actually Cutter was much more composed in this venue than she was on Face the Nation Sunday. Steve Rattner said he understood how the transition could take time but that it was very poorly explained. And the one thing I did get from the segment was — give us the names of the dudes running the company if Romney wasn’t doing it. If it was a management committee, then who was on it? Let’s get one of them on TV to discuss the transition.

    Bottom line, both on Bain and the tax returns, Romney is doing a Kerry/Dukakis … he’s not owning the issue and fighting back with facts. He’s just offering confusion.

  442. The video #555 was quite a find! I don’t know how many here have been to Ford Theater, it is such a small space, as was the boardinghouse across the street where Lincoln died.

  443. Rabbit, just a heads up … Paul Volcker is supposed to be on Morning Joe tomorrow (Wednesday). So yes … he’s very much “with it”.

    DR, my Dad’s colleague was right for that time and place … but face it, from that time going backward a good 40 years, real estate WAS an excellent investment. So his advice was VERY good from a historical perspective. If I’d had a crystal ball and told him about the bust to come, he would never have believed me.

  444. Thanks Newt … I watched that video with great interest. Isn’t it wild that a five year old would have felt bad for Booth, not understanding what he had just done? Fascinating!

  445. Rabbit, some of you give very cogent, rational criticisms of Obama. I don’t always agree but I respect your opinions. Honestly (and I’m not kissing up) I’ve found you to be pretty rational in your discourse. (You only get irrational with me. 🙂 ).

    But others on this board call the man “Hussein” or make references to monkeys (to get my goat) or call him a socialist (which is laughable) or say he wants to destroy America as we know it. Sorry … that kind of commentary is over the top and unproductive and just ups the ante on hatred. Those comments make me want Obama to be reelected just to shove it up the ass of the haters.

  446. R, multiple times I have seen your opponents here whine about how many people pay no federal income tax. Wouldn’t it be such succulent irony if their nominee turned out to be one of those “people”. 🙂

  447. Whittle is such a f*cking hemorrhoid I stopped watching after little over three minutes (when he got to the part of mocking Obama’s call on Osama).

    Based on how crazed that video made me, I hereby announce I am skipping all future Whittle videos. Post ‘em if you want. They will be for everyone else’s entertainment. Not mine.

    You ignore them because they blow your Leftist commi ass out of the water. You cannot defend against it..so you put your head in a hole and cry like a bitch. Nuff said.

  448. The actual context of what Obama said.

    “There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me, because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
    If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
    The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
    So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the GI Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet. That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for president – because I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.”

    Yes, the one line (You didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen) is unfortunate, if for no other reason than how it will be used in attack ads. But it is interesting that he used the term “somebody” and righties instantly assume he means government. That somebody could mean a supportive spouse, a helpful friend, a bank willing to take a chance on your business proposal. It could be as simple as your first few customers that stayed loyal to you. None of those are government entities.

    Of course, his critics conveniently skip over the very next paragraph where he acknowledges that individual success has two elements, not just the things we do well together, but also individual initiative.

    Sorry for the ginormous comment R, I normally try to keep my stuff brief. You’ve got enough Hugo wannabees to deal with already. 🙂

  449. The question was raised about what Paul Volcker is doing. Here is one thing:

    http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/07/18/Report-States-face-years-of-fiscal-crisis/UPI-73361342598400/

    This is exactly the kind of fiscal irresponsibility we see throughout the Federal administration as well, R. Bad policy for a household is bad policy for a state, is bad policy for a nation. You can’t keep spending borrowed money and just printing more. Every dollar eventually has to be accounted for, every purchase eventually paid for, every foreign adventure comes home to roost. There are no shortcuts. Sorry about that.

  450. @584. Remember, thanks to the irresponsibility of our post-1971 govt, $80 is not $80. It is 80 X 20 = $1600. Not so paltry, eh?

  451. re: Witness to Lincoln’s assassination.

    You couldn’t do that show today. None of the current celebrities could tell you what century Lincoln’s death was, let alone what decade, or how and when it related to the War of Northern Aggression.

    Unless, of course it could be tied to the date when some celeb or other first got out of the car without any panties, or had her twelfth divorce from her lesbian “husband” or made her first sex tape. Then they could tell you the date to the second.

    Notice how quickly Bill Cullen did the math on 1956 – 96 = 1860 in his head? Shit, current public-educated kids couldn’t do it without a calculator even if they took their shoes off.

  452. Newt or no newt, your teachers did nothing to put you where you are. They provided some tools which you chose to use. Our government provides tax supported education to create tax paying citizens who might be educated enough to vote. You, not your teachers, or the government put you where you are.

    Education, road construction, our military, and other services are collective enterprises which are beyond the means and organizational skills of the citizenry. They are socialistic aspects of a private enterprise economy. Therefore, your writing something like your seeing nothing wrong with socialism because your teachers taught you well puzzles me.

    My wife and I are financially comfortable, but we aren’t rich. We survived the farm depression when many of our neighbors failed. Other neighbors are barely getting by because they made bad choices or failed to take advantage of what their teachers and libraries offered them.

    We did what they couldn’t do through hard work, good decisions, and luck. We are proud of what we accomplished. It doesn’t make us better people. It makes us successful. That is private enterprise, not socialism. Obama is a stranger to private enterprise.

    El Tigre mentioned Obama’s autobiography. Obamas’ writing has an interesting history. Bill Ayres helped him write his first book at least, and he may be the ghost writer.

    rabbit wrote he doesn’t care what Obama thinks about the United States. I do, because he is our president and may be for another four years.

  453. thor, your quote of Obama’s speech supports my point. He is a socialist. His mentioning families, banks, etc was window dressing covering the main thrust of his argument that business people owe their success to the government and thus ought to pay what he believes is their fair share of taxes.

    Obama belonged to a socialist party when he was in Illinois.

    I wrote my comments to Newt before reading your quotation, so I wasn’t copying Obama.

    I agree with Pfessor.

  454. One can look at the role of government another way. Small and large businesses, people who worked hard and saved their money created the resources our government uses to work for the common good. Successful people built the government Obama claims built them.

  455. Correction my good friend. Although in MUCH worse financial straits than you, I would have hired a professional plumber and not attempted to have my cheap ass botch the job.

    What you call “botched”, I call incomplete. The sink works beautifully. I simply forgot to reattach the connecting pipe from the disposal – I can’t expect a man who would not know what a wrench is to understand. I can laugh at myself. I’ll clean up three gallons of water to save $250.00.

    And I doubt the plumber would have run the steam vac over the tile either when done, used new stainless like I did, replaced the copper fitting with stainless hoses. 🙂 I’ll assure you, minus the accident, it was a much better job than a plumber would have done. You dumb enough to think everything is dry when a plumber leaves? Do you think a plumber would have taken the time to scrape off the old plumber’s putty, cleaned the seating, and used goop to return the sink to looking new before installation?

    See, in your haste to be a big shot with your maxed VISA Card of which mine is paid in full every month, you don’t understand that one of the main reasons I taught myself these things wasn’t because I’m “cheap”, but because I’m a perfectionist who got tired of paying for marginal and sloppy work, usually done by brainless “licensed” union Obama voting rubes, most who can’t find their butt cheeks with both hands.

    Contrary to Obama’s ‘somebody doing it for me’, I’m really pretty self sufficient. While I can’t live on an island, I am certainly capable of living on an island minus dependent, helpless, desperate, mendacious, insidious, hypocritical, doltish, perverted, twisted, immoral, reprehensible, despicable, lazy, thieving, pinko liberals hanging around to claim they helped me when they did nothing of the sort.

    You and yours were, are and will be like a hundred pounds of lead weight attached to my ass, who I would be far better off without, as would most capable people.

    ————

    Now that we’ve got that settled…this is pretty damn cool. Do they do any of this at those OWS gatherings? Because most of the time, what I see is unkempt and filthy, diseased dopeheads throwing chairs through windows. GO OBAMA!

  456. Members of Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s posse said in March that there was probable cause that Obama’s long-form birth certificate released by the White House in April 2011 was a computer-generated forgery.

    Now, Arpaio says investigators are positive it’s fraudulent.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/17/joe-arpaio-birther-probe-_n_1681428.html?ncid=webmail11

    All those tax payer dollars at his disposal and he couldn’t even get a decent forgery made.

  457. More shining moments in Obamaville…too stupid to act proactively.

    ———–

    Here in eastern Kansas the corn crop is pretty well a goner, browned off with empty ears. A dry lightning strike could set of one hell of a fire. Trees are dying; these days they’re competing vigorously for the attentions of our four dogs. Any President with half the common sense of a fencepost would issue an Executive Order immediately suspending all fuel ethanol production, but Obama doesn’t have that much sense, and besides he’s long since been bought by ADM, by far the nation’s largest ethanol producer and (ever since his campaign for the Illinois state senate) at or near the top of Obama’s contributor list. Cronyism is sometimes the things that DON’T happen, and I’ll guarantee that ADM has long since contracted its entire corn feedstock supply at vastly lower prices. Farmers will have to purchase 10-dollar corn to fulfill a 4-dollar contract, and it will destroy them.

    On our own farm (we grow vegetables and alfalfa) it’s not just the drought, but the unrelenting triple digit heat. Last Thursday, when it was 109 F in the shade here, I took a meat thermometer out into our cucumber field. The internal temperature of those cukes was 162 F — well done for beef. By the next morning many were split, having obviously exploded because they got to boiling and their water turned to steam. It’s going to be a long, desperately difficult year, but I guess because I refuse to take government subsidies I don’t deserve to succeed.

  458. Laid Off Steelworker in Anti-Romney Ad Says He Is Not Voting for Obama.“I think Obama is a jerk, a pantywaist, a lightweight, a blowhard. He hasn’t done a goddamn thing that he said he would do.”

    Oops. Rutherford, if this election weren’t so damn important without you understanding the ramifications of your choices, believing Obama omniscient, in another time I could actually laugh at the abject stupidity of the corrupted party to which you hold your allegiances.

  459. James, I read my comment, and it didn’t sound too cool. I should care. I think what I failed to express is when the last 4 years have been such a quantifiable failure, discussions about the subjective stuff are a waste of time.

  460. More rain fell on and near our farm than did in Kansas. Our crops are mostly green, and corn ears are filled out. However, the “unrelenting” heat has already reduced yields. Sandy spots are dead. I found enough moisture to make a mud ball a foot down, but the water level is retreating daily Residue ground water from our flood has purchased us a few days, and neighbors with center pivots are salving yield at high expense.

    A former neighbor now in Missouri started cutting his corn last week. Someone in far southern Iowa said they are nearly ready to follow suit.

    Long range forecasts give no hope of widespread rain through the end of July and beyond. If this continues through mid August, corn harvest will begin by Labor Day.

    This is only the beginning. ISU climatologist Dr. Elwyn Taylor says our current drought is an overdue part of an 18 year cycle. The real fun will come as we slowly stair step to the 1930’s 2025 be worse than this.

    Romney has mentioned the drought, and Obama signed an executive order declaring Nebraska a disaster area, but I don’t think politicians unaccustomed to the vagueries of drought or more than a cursorary knowledge of weather and history have a clue.

  461. “But it is interesting that he used the term “somebody” and righties instantly assume he means government. That somebody could mean a supportive spouse, a helpful friend, a bank willing to take a chance on your business proposal. It could be as simple as your first few customers that stayed loyal to you. None of those are government entities.”

    Numbnutz, good lawdy! You didn’t need to put the whole thing up to prove it is you that doesn’t seem to understand the “context” of Obama’s speech.

    As a helpful, supportive friend, please heed my advice and head back to the petri dish where it’s safe for you. You’ll have company with Rutherford there. He too owes his business success (and apparently its resources) to the federal government for all of its assistance with the enterprise.

    (seriously, when are you and R going to learn that if you have to rewrite the narrative to make it palatable, it wasn’t the intended message).

  462. Rutherford, why would it take an act of Congress for the executive to stop using the Gitmo detention center? Do you really believe that’s why Obama didn’t shut it down? You know and I know, the damn prison is a necessity. Obama uses Gitmo for the same reason Bush did. Giving top level terrorists and enemy combatantsthe rights of Americans is ludicrous, dispite how passionate…errrrr….cough…..you once were about that happening. Remember R, we have to rise above and prove to the stink beards our dedication to a trial by jury…uh….predator drone. Or something like that.

  463. You cannot defend against it..so you put your head in a hole and cry like a bitch.

    You have serious problems with reading comprehension. Prior to my going off on Whittle’s mother, I gave point by point answers to his bullsh*t in particular his “socialist New Party” mendacity.

  464. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system, that we have that allowed you to thrive.

    From Thor’s quote of Obama. Yeah, that sounds like a man who hates America. 🙄

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