Is Stupid Stuff Deadline Driven?

I am not a professional blogger. I don’t get paid for my work. Yet I do have a self-imposed pressure to publish. There are weeks when, quite frankly, nothing really interests me and I wonder “what do I write about today?” So I was very amused to find a video by blogger Jay Smooth about the consequences of pressure to produce. Sometimes the pressure is so great that pure crap is the product.

Whether or not you like Michelle Obama or Beyonce, Jay’s video about linking the two for the sake of a story is pretty funny and on point.

Jay’s video closes with the following advice:

When you’re really stumped
About where to take a dump
Just go look for Trump
He always deserves it. That’s the one public service he provides.

As many of my regular readers would attest, my fallback tends not to be Trump. It’s Sarah Palin.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

WordPress.com Political Blogger Alliance

712 thoughts on “Is Stupid Stuff Deadline Driven?

  1. “The pressure is so great that pure crap is produced” elicits somewhat icky mental imagery, dear Rutherford. As a writer, one may often strive to be enigmatic, but you are the first I’ve heard who was honest enough to admit that, a lot of the time, writing is merely enematic.

  2. Funny and true. Unfortunately there are so many untouchable subjects we already get a lot of useless fluff to begin with. Filling the space with stuff unworthy of viewing or reading is one reason I cancelled magazine subscriptions and watch little TV.

    It reminds me of the way we handle bureaucratic budgets and supplies. The old use it or lose it mentality. I read a blog post the other day on how the military has to go out and just waste ammo to ensure they continue to get the same allotment for the next period. Budgets have to be fully spent to ensure continued replenishment.

    Crazy inefficiencies and useless drivel abound. 😉

  3. Very funny. I liked how just trying to connect the dots of “slut by association” kind of made his head spin.

    BTW, I second James’ comment on you being a good father. I can’t imagine you being anything but. You have already demonstrated you are long on patience with this group of “blog heads”. I’m sure it extends even farther with your little girl.

    And just a head’s up. If you put Grandma in the freezer and she still stinks, you forgot to plug it in. 😉

  4. Welcome, Karen. I think you do pretty well, Rutherford. There are so many subjects to write about in any given week.

  5. Poolman what you say about use it or lose it is very true. If budgets aren’t completely depleted by end of fiscal year the powers that be think you did a poor job of estimating and you don’t get as much the next year.

    BUT

    For service providers like me, this is a potential bonanza since there are times of the year when companies get downright reckless with spending just to get the budget blown. In years past my business has picked up slightly first quarter. Sadly, didn’t happen this year.

  6. I thought Ed Schultz was going to cry tonight. What you just heard was the death knell of organized labor. About time.

    MSNBC was trying to put a happy spin on a blowout. 🙄 The only time I really watch MSNBC when the news horrible for Dimocrats. It’s literally orgasmic.

    No wonder MSNBC doesn’t haved an audience. It’s only appeal would be to the really dishonest or deluded.

  7. Rutherford, I’m really surprised you have been as consistent as you have about providing new material. I’m impressed. I can’t think of a break you’ve taken over four years over more than seven or eight days while I’ve been here.

    If you’re anything, you are dedicated to the cause – no matter how screwed the cause.

    I wouldn’t blame you if you came in and said, “Here’s a new post.” And leave the body blank or provided a “Tex can kiss my ass post.”

    I only speak for myself, but I don’t require new material to work with – headlines kind of drive the subject anyway. Plus, at least half of us can’t make it 10 comments before changing the subject. 🙂

  8. I do agree with Tex on this one. I consider this Walker result very bad for organized labor. As I think I said in the prior thread I am extremely shocked that the general voting public has lost interest in unions. They served a purpose back in the day. Perhaps, as Poolman suggested, they have just gotten out of hand.

  9. As for the frequency of my output, thanks to Tex for noticing.

    Over time, the blog has come to serve two purposes. Some folks get it in their email and RSS feed and have no interest in the comments. So I write actual articles for them.

    For you rascals, the articles really just serve as a stub for more conversation on various topics. Since my RSS readers (and my readers on OpenSalon.com and Bestoftheblogs.com where I sometimes cross-post) wouldn’t appreciate an article with “Tex sucks rotten eggs. Discuss.”, that really isn’t an option for me. 🙂

  10. Well, it’s my habit to go to bed with Rachel Maddow (no comments from the peanut gallery) so I’ll see how she reacted to the Walker win. Apparently the Lieut Governor also survived the recall.

    Ouchy!!!

  11. Damn, Rutherford! You’re getting so popular I can’t keep up with the new threads!

    Dupe of what I just posted at FG’s: Sorry – a bit OT – Well, as you all know by now, Scott Walker, with the help of untold amounts of Republican cash, shoved it down the unions’ throats – and elsewhere. Perhaps this will be the start of some serious change in the direction of America; I surely hope so. Where Paul Krugman, The Bernank, Geithner – and of course the Prez himself, got the idea that a country could spend itself into prosperity is beyond me. If that worked, every spendthrift and gambler in the world would be a millionaire, wouldn’t he? (And my 5’3″ ex-nephew-in-law, having gambled his family into bankruptcy TWICE, would instead be the big-shot he imagines himself)

    I just saw one of Tex’s posts on the old thread where he referred to the NAGS as glue horses. I wish I could gin up the insult machine like that boy! Tex, where do you get this stuff?

  12. @ poolman re: wasting ammo. One of my old flight instructors was an ex-military instructor. He told me that he was always in trouble for turning extra fuel back into the quartermaster rather than flying it off – his superiors reminding him that the next quarter’s fuel allowance depended on the current quarter’s use.

    @ Tex re: bad news for Democrats is literally orgasmic. I hope not; I hope it is (literally) only figuratively so. If I am wrong, spare us the gory details, please. LOL.

    Hand-wave to Karen. If you are new here, we have LOTS of fun, but bring your iron panties; it can be no-holds-barred. Reminds me very much of historical descriptions of early American newspapers and pamphlets – before the fear of lawsuits caused everyone to pull in their horns and be civil. We don’t have that “civility” problem here. heh…heh…

  13. I said Walker would win by 5 or 6 points, he won by 7. Not bad.

    Special Ed damned near died on air last night. I think he’s gonna need to be on suicide watch when Obama loses.

    So, after my call yesterday, I noticed Sandi stammered for a while trying to think of something pithy and witty. The writing was on the wall when she was busy trying to justify the loss before it occurred. The more I read and hear of her, the more I’m convinced she is nothing but a mouth piece for the Dems. She can’t converse with us because she knows she’ll get her ass handed to her. Facts beat talking points EVERY TIME.

    Love it…

  14. Our son and daughter in law live in San Jose. They are probably happy today. San Jose is in better shape then many California cities, but not by much.

    I thought Democrats would be able to steal enough votes to make the election close enough for a recount. This is a devastating day for the public labor unions and the Democrats because of their symbiotic relationship. They can still win in November, but Wisconsin and California hurt their chances.

    Yes, Pfessor, Tex is the champion. I wonder how the “glue horses” feel this morning but not enough to look.

    I was in charge of part of hospital supply after my promotion. We had the same problem with spending all of the money we were given whether we needed to or not. Our problem was Vietnam was draining so many resources we sometimes had to resort to theft.

    I read that a blogger killed himself because the pressure to produce overwhelmed him. Some major blogs write more than one story per day, and they are only as good as their last statements.

    Betsy Newmark impresses me. She is a history and a government teacher, and she finds time for multiple stories almost every day. Many are links to stories with a few comments from her, but still, she does a good job.

  15. Headline of the Day:

    Democrats Lament Too Much Money in Politics as Obama Heads to California for Five More Fundraisers

    😆

    Can’t make this stuff up;

  16. Unions became corrupted. Public unions are the worst. Next on the chopping block ought to be tenured professors.

    While there was a day unions actually served a useful purpose and may yet again one day if the pendulum swings the other way, the unions need to die a grisly death to clean out the trash that runs them.

    I could say the same of the Dimocratic party. 😐

    Flush that turd and start over so we actually have a party provided for something other than special interests and deviants. I’m hoping the Tea Party can do the same to these blue blood Repubs that no more represent me than the Dimocrats do.

    Leave the social issues to the side and work to eliminate at least half of the nanny government. There’s plenty of deadwood and plenty of thieves to depose.

  17. I agree, Tex. CNBC has an article describing Estonia “Estonia uses the Euro, and the Economy is Booming” Lativia and Lithuania while not members of the EU are also doing well.

    Estonia’s economy grew at 7.5% last year, and they achieved their good fortune through “austerity, austerity, austerity.” They and their neighbors endured considerable pain and yet they re elected to officials who sent them into purgatory.

    Those countries survived life in the Soviet Union, and that memory motivated them to buy only what they could afford.

    Estonians only earn a little over 800 Euros per year which is one of the lowest incomes in the European Union. Maybe they do what the Ukrainians do. No one really knows how much they earn, since they support their middle class lives through multiple unofficial jobs. Many of the women are thin and attractive not because they go to the gym but because they are overworked.

    We could learn something from the Nordic region.

  18. http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/06/democrats-threaten-walker-assassination.php

    Nice.

    Rutherford, how revealing are these Twitter accounts? I assume you have to provide some personal information to gain access?

    If the secret service is going to investigate threats to Obama as they should, they should do the same for a sitting Governor too. Gotta love that new Leftist civility they droned on about after the Gifford’s shooting, when they found out Laughner a Leftist. 😈

  19. I saw some of those. Later some tried to deny they happened and accused the site of manufacturing them. It depends on who you are.

    I think people are waking up. “An’ Tommy ain’t a bloomin’ fool–you bet that Tommy sees!” Kipling

  20. @ 29, second that.

    “The mainstream hasn’t been paying attention to all the changes in our culture during the last fifty years. The major ideas of our time—developments in medicine, the importance of space exploration to advance our species—have been neglected. The critics are generally wrong, or they’re fifteen, twenty years late. It’s a great shame. They miss out on a lot. Why the fiction of ideas should be so neglected is beyond me. I can’t explain it, except in terms of intellectual snobbery.” – Ray Bradbury

    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

  21. Congrats to all Republicans on the board. Welcome to austerity. I hope it’s everything you were hoping for. My guess is it won’t be.

    Speaking of Ireland, England and Greece … The European Championships start Friday James.

    GOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL!

  22. Can’t make this shit up: Shultz Says Walker May Be Indcited in The Next Few Days

    Then he might want to rethink going to Tampa this summer. I hear they tend to railroad people down there. 😉

  23. thor – to my eye the term “austerity” just masks the real situation. Hell, you know in your own house you can’t keep borrowing and spending; the bills will always come due. It would also seem intuitive to me also that if you burden people beyond a certain point with taxes, they simply stop producing and your tax revenue goes DOWN, so soaking the taxpayer even further doesn’t make any sense to me either.

    We have borrowed and spent way beyond our means and there are no shortcuts. Yes, if you have been living above your means for a long time, to get things right you will have to live BELOW your means for a while as well. It’s just a law of nature, or economics, or whatever you want to call it. Painful? You bet. Unavoidable? You bet again.

    That’s just how I see it. We ALL want a free lunch, but my friend, they don’t exist.

  24. Yes, indeed, thor. I’m rooting for England for obvious reasons. I don’t think they are good enough to win, though. It would be nice for our exchange Spanish teacher for Spain to retain the championship.

    Did you read my comments about Estonia? The Estonians suffered through at least three years of austerity. They kept the leaders who put them through it because they knew they had no other choice, and the older generation still remembered Soviet rule.

    An Estonian leader said the Europeans and Americans, for all of their complaining and suffering have not experienced lower living standards.

    You don’t have to guess. Most people have little concept of what austerity would be like. I imagine it would be similar to our farm depression of the late seventies and eighties. I’m not sure we have the will to suffer what the Estonians, Lithuanians and several other countries did. If we don’t, economic forces will eventually impose austerity on those unwilling to do it for themselves.

    Walker’s possible indictment may be another form of liberal attack against him through Wisconsin’s Department of Justice as her enemies attacked Sarah Palin with baseless complaints.

    If the charges are true, this would make a novel worthy of Ray Bradbury. The Lt. Governor is no pushover, and she is attractive. Yes, the more things change…

  25. They’re like children being told “no” in the checkout line when they demand a candy bar.

    You going to hold your breath until you get your candy Dems?

  26. I don’t want a free lunch. I want the price to be reasonable and the same for everyone that buys it. Tax revenues are at their lowest percentage of GDP in 60 years. My taxes certainly aren’t at their lowest in 60 years. Yes we must cut, but I think we also must look at revenue.

    I have to skoot, but a little analogy to remember me by. A full to capacity lifeboat and one more survivor in the water. Any more weight and the boat sinks. Liberals in the lifeboat say bring him on, its the right thing to do, even though it means everyone in the boat will die. Conservatives say bullshit, he had the same chance as the rest of us to make it in the boat. Go drown and quit bothering us. The moderate (which I consider myself even though I doubt anyone here sees me that way) says hey, why don’t we each take turns in the water. I’ll go first.

    To me PF, it’s not about free lunches. It’s about trust, compasion and a longer view.

    Speaking of guys and gals that didn’t ask for a free lunch, D-Day 68 years ago today.

  27. There are an infinite number of items that could be included in an intelligent and efficient austerity program.Keep in mind that cuts and taxation can exist within the same program. America and Americans would be the better for it.
    Keep in mind the folks that fear austerity most are the politicians & bureaucrats who feast upon the opposite.

  28. Apparently dems are happy, claiming they won the senate in Wisconsin. Tit for tat. But the tits spent a whole lot more money to get theirs. I hope it was worth it. 😉

  29. “Keep in mind the folks that fear austerity most are the politicians & bureaucrats who feast upon the opposite.”

    Damn well said and absolutely true. I believe it was DeTocqueville who said that America would do well until the politicians discovered that they could buy the people’s votes with their own money. And no matter if it is borrowed money that the PEOPLE would have to repay.

    Buffett allegedly said, “I could end the deficit in 5 minutes,” he told CNBC. “You just pass a law that says that anytime there is a deficit of more than 3% of GDP, all sitting members of Congress are ineligible for re-election.”

    Bring it on…

  30. “Speaking of guys and gals that didn’t ask for a free lunch, D-Day 68 years ago today.”

    Careful now. That’s rhetorically proximate to a call for war.

  31. Guess who commemorated D day with a trip to the beach and some fund raisers. Obama hasn’t done much about D Day for several years.

    Poolman, if the Democrats did win that close Senate seat, Wisconsin politics could be stalemated with Democrats unable to reverse policies they oppose and Republicans not able to expand their programs. I’m not sure the Democrats got their money’s worth either.

  32. Apparently the dems did get more than their money’s worth. I was talking about the republicans that out spent them upwards of 8 to 1. It really can’t easily be calculated since citizen’s united and super pacs make the contributions much harder to trace.

    It’s estimated 60 million was spent. That would buy an awful lot of happy meals!

  33. I looked it up. Control of the Wisconsin Senate is accademic since it won’t be in session until January. There will probably be a recount. It was money well-spent.

    A whole pile of happy meals for a possible Democratic moral victory.

  34. WW1 indirectly started other wars, including the second phase, which was WW11, Vietnam, and our War Against Terror. Unintended consequences are a bitch.

  35. As for austerity, it starts a feedback system which shrinks the economy and government. People dependent on the government lose their pensions and hand outs, businesses lose income and either fail or fire people, and tax revenues fall which exacerbates the fall. An underground economy thrives to further reduce tax revenues. Government officials who still have jobs take large pay cuts. Greece is there now.

  36. You’re right PFesser, it was WWI. I guess we’ve been lied to a little longer than I thought. It was just about a hundred years ago that we were sold out, so that does fit the state’s narrative. And the same financiers supported both sides, just like today.

    Wars and rumors of wars. Nations rising against nations. Famines and earthquakes in various places. Lawlessness on the increase.

    Yeah, I’ve heard of all that somewhere.

  37. Apparently the dems did get more than their money’s worth. I was talking about the republicans that out spent them upwards of 8 to 1

    Except like everything else you tell, that’s a bogus stat. You really want me to believe unions across the nation only spent a couple of million after that takeover they pulled in the State House? Been reading to me of those Obama empathizing sites you dearly love, Man™ipulator.

    Final tally – Repubs $30MM; Defeated Dims – $25MM.

    If the economy tanks like I think it will this summer, I think we’re looking at a major league butt kicking come this November. Starting to feel like about 1988 all over again.

    I got to give Romney’s team credit this time around. Let us hope they are smart enough to keep it up. They learned a lesson from McCain playing buffoon and statesman. That doesn’t cut it against liars and thieves. Get out in front the curve, stomp the hell out of the lies, punch back twice as hard, laugh at them and expose the mendacity.

    It’s the winning way. I think most are finally figuring out electing Obama again is the Titanic backing up for another go around and sideswiping the right side of the ‘berg.

  38. Ironic Bradbury’s death was announced today. Last weekend, I opened a box and found some of assignments from high school.

    The book assigned for a Creative Writing class was Dandelion Wine.

    Seems like it was pretty good too. But I can’t remember much about it.

  39. Tex, you shouldn’t trust your sources if that is what you are getting. Numerous sources show your math is far from accurate.

    From Forbes:

    Walker knew he couldn’t withstand the recall on his own. He needed help and support from others – a lot of others. One of the keys to Walker’s success was how broadly he defined the team. He went beyond his current supporters, beyond his state, to reach out to people across the United States. Twice as much money was spent on this recall election as was ever spent before on any election for governor in Wisconsin. Walker outspent his opponents by a large margin with 2/3 of the money he raised from out of state.

    45.6 million as opposed to 19.9, according to NYTimes…

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/06/04/us/politics/money-spent-on-wisconsin-recall-election.html

    More than 63.5 million calculated here…

    http://www.iwatchnews.org/2012/06/03/9039/wisconsin-recall-breaks-record-thanks-outside-cash

  40. Looks closer to 2.3 to 1. Dang these articles have numbers all over the place. Still could have bought an awful lot of happy meals.

  41. Hand-wave to Karen.

    PF, I think Karen has the good sense to keep off the thread. Actually, Karen and I go way back … she actually went to high school with me.

    I think she was moved to comment, not because of any interest in politics but a passion for writing and she just couldn’t resist commenting on my theme of writing stupid stuff to meet a deadline.

    She usually comments on my stuff on Facebook so it was a pleasant surprise to see her show up here.

  42. Well, you’re getting closer to the truth, Poolman. Now find something not loaded like the NYT, and you actually might report the truth for once. 😉

    By the way Mr. Poolman. The Tea Party played a large part of the election result last night. That according to the winner himself. You didn’t get the demise of the Tea Party right either earlier this week.

  43. Just so everyone knows, Gorilla has taken to “admiring” Sandi on Twitter. Heaven help her. I think her policy will be to ignore him. Kinda takes the fun out of it, heh G?

  44. Read on a blog earlier today:

    Also, my father was a hardcore conservative and a straightline Republican voter before he died. Now he votes Democrat.

    followed by…

    Last week in the Texas primary while waiting for the poll workers to match my registration card with their voter rolls, I asked where I needed to go to vote for my dead relatives. Without looking up, the poll worker said, “the democratic primary is down the street!”

    😆

  45. I think her policy will be to ignore him. Kinda takes the fun out of it, heh G?

    Ask me, all it does is reinforce your opinion that most leftists are cowards. 😐

  46. The TP’s demise? Not my prediction. The real TP started with Ron Paul. You’re guy is just a wannabe TP member. Of course, IF he’s speaking to the TP crowd and not the WS crowd (which are far from TP).

  47. I think maybe you recall me saying they sold out once they got in.

    That is proved by their lack of action and voting record.

    Maybe they castrate these fuckers when they hit the House.

  48. Rutherford, could you please do what you can to persuade Karen to post again? I may be determined, but the worst she would get from me would a dumb story or a link to Scandinavian folk music.

    As I wrote before, I don’t care how much money they spent as long as it was legal. If the Democrats spent less, it wasn’t for lack of trying.

    Poolman, no disrespect to you, but back when the Tea Party was beginning, the H&M blog trashed it as a bunch of racist rubes who would soon fade away. As you remember, I wrote it was much more and that it presented a danger to Democrats and Republicans.

    You didn’t go so far as the others who believed it was astroturfed rabble, and I asked you for a comparable liberal movement. You suggested the Coffee Party was the same, only more reasonable. You were also polite, and you didn’t call me a troll or teabagger.

    I like to say “I told you so sometimes” It is a failing, but 61 didn’t just give me a small opening. It was like opening a door large enough for a semi. As I wrote, no disrespect intended, but I do feel good about it.

  49. That is proved by their lack of action and voting record. Maybe they castrate these fuckers when they hit the House.

    Leftist orthodoxy at its finest. 😆 Admit it rube – you’re the equivalent of public sector employee. I’ll bet last night burned your shriveled nerts.

  50. The TP isn’t the same TP all around, James. The original TP STILL supports Ron Paul, the originator. The co-opted TP, let’s call them TP Lite, is a product of big business and calls itself conservative, though it is really about privatization and corporate rule over liberty.

    The original TP wants to get back to the constitution and give states back much of their sovereignty. So I think you confuse the TP with TP Lite.

    Since these both fall mostly under the banner of the GOP, there is turmoil in that camp which hasn’t been resolved, though it is kept secretive mostly. Except during the peak of Sarah Palin’s reign when the party was attacking moderates in cannibalistic fashion.

    But you did say the TP was not going away, and it has not. I only point out there has been a faux branch of the TP grafted to the root.

  51. Actually Tex, I paid little attention to last night except it was the conservatives on this board shouting victory. Then I did my searches. It turns out victory at any cost is the new GOP slogan.

  52. @ James #49
    the thing is though the USA needs austerity cuts plus tax. Unlike Greece though the USA is much closer to to Canada ala 1994 Messr Martin in that the austerity measures we take can unleash private sector financials.
    If the USA cut regs,some taxes and cut deep into spending the private sector would respond very well imo.

  53. All said and done I think Walker is only looking to do one more BIG thing and I’m not sure he needs the Senate or House to do it. It is also the reason his winning was (a) important and (b) will be part of the real national consequence to come.
    The conversion of public pensions over to 401k & 403b plans.

  54. I think it will be interesting to see if post citizens decision politics reveals cleaner elections as opposed to the oft stated fears and doom and gloom stuff.

  55. Poolman, at the time, we were discussing the original Tea Parties, they were people who organized via telephone calls and the internet.Even many Republicans thought they were a summer thing. I don’t recall that you did, but some who condemned my opinion stated they were astroturfed when they in fact were not. I agree later groups changed an usurped some of their message, but they hadn’t yet happened when we had our discussion.

    My wife and I attended some of their early demonstrations. The were an amorphous lot. Some liked Sarah Palin, and others wished she would go away. Ron Paul certainly had some fans too.

    As you know, the original Tea Party is still active, much to the chagrin of some career Republican politicians. Oren Hatch is one.

    I agree with 68, Alfie. I used Greece as an extreme example. They have reached what resembles a medical death spiral to me.I believe the present tragectory will take us there in twenty years or so, and I assume we will be able to change before all choices are gone.

    The Walker campaign energized campaigners and taught them what worked and failed under adverse conditions. People learned many lessons they can take to other states. That is another positive result for Republicans and Tea Partiers of all stripes. Some of them will take credit whether or not they deserve it.

    Poolman a victory at any cost as long as it’s legal is the only way to win I learned that rule in the service and by watching Democrats operate. They followed the rule in Wisconsin. Unfortunately for them, the majority didn’t believe what they were selling.

  56. 20 years….I love your optimism.
    R not for nothing but I think Sandi is bound to make a Rutherford voodoo doll,so if you start to feel weird pains etc anytime soon …well now ya know.
    In a sort of thread related manner I found one tweet conversation between S and G to be amusing. She countered Gorillas WI comment with big Tobacco winning in CA @ a high price. All about prop 29. I don’t see the negative she does. I just had to say it somewhere because I’m pretty sure if I reached out to her she’d go nuts.
    Throw her a life line R. Tell her CA could get some leadership,raise the cig tax and put the money towards all ready existing programs (and debt).

  57. There was talk of telling the NEA and MEA to take a hike today. I tried to stop paying dues to the treacherous MEA. After my wife got pregnant I wimped out. Decided it wasn’t the time to make enemies.

    The MEA just steals money from me, piss the masses off and lose the elections they fund. I wish I could give my union dues back to the tax payer.

    Bunch of liberal crooks making a hundy a year not doing shit.

  58. @Rutherford some semi series queries here:
    Is Bill Clinton working for Mitt?
    Does Bill just like the attention he’s getting lately?
    Is he bitter about something?
    Is Hilary promising a Lewinsky or something if he helps her 2016 ambitions?

  59. @ dead rabbit 73
    not to get into your personals but… In Michigan do the teachers “own” the health insurer?
    I understand that Walkers breaking that monopoly in WI was a major plus to the cities and towns. that includes where the teachers union owned entity adjusted the price to compete for the first time evah.

  60. Question for the folks focused on campaign expediters…
    Are you mad that the masses are stupid or that there are folks that aren’t buying Happy Meals for the poor? I’m confused.

  61. I tend to be optimistic, Alfie. For example, I think I have a shot at making 100. Giving us 20 years before dissolution may be equivalent to our kids asking “what color is the sky in your world?” but it can’t hurt to think that way.

    I’m not mad that the masses are stupid. They just are. The poor in this country can afford to buy their own happy meals.

  62. Is Bill Clinton working for Mitt?

    It is a bit of irony that these dupes, stooges, deviants, and pathological cranks from the left sold their souls fifteen years ago to protect a liar and serial rapist, only to have the free market serial rapist turn and burn their new false messiah and socialist for calling the rapist a racist. 😆 Got that?

    I figure a leftist had to create the game Twister from personal experience.

    Clinton is the ultimate slithering political snake. But unlike the upright black mambObama, he’s a smart snake – with a long memory.

  63. Word to the gang …. the crying guy who says “Democracy died tonight” (in the video posted by Alfie) reminds me of the conservative drama queens on this blog.

    Scott Walker did not get recalled and democracy is alive and well. Guess what? If either Obama or Romney gets elected in November, democracy will be alive and well.

    Tex and Noah in particular, every time you get ready to do one of your rants, watch the crying guy and do some self reflection. 😉

    P.S. Am I worried about the influence of big money in elections? Damn right I am but let’s not ruin the point with hyperbole.

  64. I’ve got about 40 comments left to review but I’m going to bed folks. Attended a web-based symposium today while juggling the worst gut I’ve had in months. I’m plumb tuckered out.

    See ya tomorrow.

  65. Before the Tea Party was hijacked. 😉 Before Dick Armey and others side-tracked it. And way before I ever commented on any blog, let alone M&H. Here, refresh those memories…

  66. Tex and Noah in particular, every time you get ready to do one of your rants, watch the crying guy and do some self reflection.

    Says the man whose bowels gets twisted by a web symposium, creamed his shorts at Obama’s greatness four years ago, and once went stark raving mad on this very blog, accusing Sarah Palin of accessory to murder when a mad Leftist went sudden jihadi.

    Speaking of emotional, have you ever reflected about your performance on that radio show of yours with the Valley Girl? I think a little personal perspective might be in order. 😀 Most people with an ounce of reflection would have reflected once and said, “Shit man, what a disaster!”

    You won’t mind if I set this comment to memory will you? I want to be sure to remind you of this comment at the most “appropriate” time.

    —–

    Knuckle head, here’s a business tip. God only knows you need some good business advice. I’m trying. Got you a $100.00 coming November. Like Warren Buffett, you can’t lose!

    Quit wasting your time and money on these pyramid marketing schemes you attend – web, or no web. You would make better business contacts and get better advice at a Trekkie convention with masses wearing Vulcan ears. Gimmick, man. Gimmick.

  67. Tell you what is a bigger deal than Walker’s win. Here’s what you really ought to be busting a gut over, Mr. Rutherford.

    San Jose, CA, voters backed pension cuts for retired municipal workers by about 70%. Your lackeys are going to be eating their own, like Clinton is chewing up the Bambi for the race pimps calling him a racist. 😀 You’ve done run out of other people’s money. And when you can’t buy a vote and your fiscal policies have been an absolute disaster, you’re out of options.

    The days of progressivism honoring itself will soon be at an end.

  68. Somebody said here the other day, perhaps it was Thor, that federal taxes have never been lower.

    Though that is not true when compared to personal income, I have never really argued that federal taxes are what is killing the middle class. It’s one of the reasons Obama’s argument for higher taxes on the rich is such a ridiculous proposition for helping the middle class. Not only Obama’s math bogus which is well documented, but it doesn’t address the real problem which is federal spending – spending that is partially offsetting backbreaking local taxes and fees on the middle class and working poor. If they don’t extend the ‘Bush tax cuts’ (and they will because they have to), the real damage would be to the middle class and down.

    I have argued here and elsewhere that all personal taxes in comparison to disposable income have never been higher. Here’s a good example of why our middle class is getting killed. Federal taxes are actually only a part of the equation, and for most tax payers, a small part of why they have little or no disposable income.

    Good article…good examples; numbers to prove it.

    Wisconsin and California Show that Local Taxes are a Political Death Trap

    http://pjmedia.com/spengler/2012/06/06/wisconsin-and-california-show-that-local-taxes-are-a-political-death-trap/

  69. The threat to democracy has nothing to do with a recall vote. Now, did the framers of the comstitution forsee the entire global econemy on their knees, bowing to a monetary god king? The Bernank is the threat.

  70. Poolman, that video was wrong. Its true that elements of the Tea Party supported Ron Paul, but he did not create the movement, and he certainly didn’t lead it. Those people were portrayed as a single issue movement supporting and raising money for Ron Paul.

    The Tea Party as we know it did not exist in 2007. That was Ron Paul supporters and fund raisers who adopted the Tea Party name. They were the “Louie Louie” of the music world.

    Consider music in 1963 or so. It was boring and formulamedic for the most part. Rock had moved to the UK. Then, came “Louie Louie.” It had a beat and words some thought were obscene. It stood out like a candle in the night, but it was only a pecursor of what was to come.

    The later Tea Party did not focus on individual politicians.They protested against high spending, the health insurance bill etc.

    I agree pretenders usurped parts of the Tea Party just as groups like the Monkeys and Niel Diamond diluted Rock after its heyday., but that video was discussing “Louie Louie” and not the British Invasion.

    Put that in your eight track and play it. Ha!

  71. I mentioned Estonia here. It has become a cause celeb for politicians preaching austerity. Paul Krugman tweeted some disparaging comments about the sorry state of Estonia.

    The president fired back and called Krugman smug, overbearing and patronizing. The Estonian president was born in Sweden and raised in New Jersey. By extension, he could have called Obama smug, overbearing and patronizing.

    The two city elections in California also show that voters now realize we cannot afford our rate of spending. As Bob Dylan sang, “the times they are a changing” and if you don’t adapt, you “will sink like a stone.”

  72. That is a pretty good analogy, James. But Louie Louie was actually from the fifties, revived in the sixties, and it has been covered more than any other song except McCartney’s Yesterday.

    The Kingsmen were the Dick Armeys of the “movement”. 😉

    http://www.louielouie.net/06-history.htm

    Either way you slice it, Dr Paul is considered the grandfather of the movement.

  73. Tex, that’s twice I’ve seen you call Jared Loughner a leftist, so I want to set the record straight. He was not. Maybe an anarchist, but registered as an independent and he did not think women should be in positions of power, the main reason he opposed and confronted Gabby Giffords.

    Loughner’s best friend, Zach Osler, said, “He did not watch TV; he disliked the news; he didn’t listen to political radio; he didn’t take sides; he wasn’t on the Left; he wasn’t on the Right.” Osler also noted that conspiracy theories had a profound effect on Loughner, particularly the online conspiracy theory film Zeitgeist: The Movie, with which friends claimed Loughner held an obsession.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Lee_Loughner

    Just trying to keep you honest. You’re welcome. 😉

  74. Poolman’s always at his best when he’s trying to keep people honest. 😈 That’s why he’s an executive member at the Chatty Kitchen Think Tank.

    Ironically, when I watch the video below, the first person that comes to mind is…is….is….

    Poolman. 😆 Must be something in the water out in Arizona.

    Let’s see. Does this read like a Romney or Obama supporter?

    A classmate of the man accused of shooting Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords this morning describes Loughner as “left wing” and a “pot head” in a series of posts on Twitter this afternoon.

    Caitie Parker did not immediately respond to our request for an interview, but her “tweets” in the hours after the shooting paint a picture of Jared Loughner as a substance-abusing loner who had met Giffords before the shooting. She says, Loughner described the congresswoman as “stupid and unintelligent.” [Reads like a backhoe operator I know]

    Parker “tweets” that she and Loughner were in the band together and were friends until 2007 when he became “reclusive” after getting alcohol poisoning and dropping out of college.

    She describes him as “quite liberal” and as a “political radical.”

  75. Thor, conservatives view compassion as the road to hell that is paved with good intentions.

    Mainly, because there is nothing compassionate about leaving people in an environment of total dependency, like we saw in New Orleans during Katrina. White liberals and some educated black ones like it that way, because it assures them of a guaranteed bloc vote.

  76. Careful now. That’s rhetorically proximate to a call for war.

    LOL Tigre that’s why I love you in a manly sort of way. Ever the sarcastic wit. 😆

  77. As for austerity, it starts a feedback system which shrinks the economy and government. People dependent on the government lose their pensions and hand outs, businesses lose income and either fail or fire people, and tax revenues fall which exacerbates the fall.

    Ooooo that sounds yummy. Yeah America, let’s all sign up for austerity!!!

  78. You tell me? Who does this most remind each of you of the Rutherford Lawson blog?

    Loughner’s suggestions that the government was engaging in mind control through grammar.

    Uncle Poolman Loughner? It’s almost as if there’s a Simpson subliminal message anecdote there.

  79. Thanks for the insult Rutherford. Bit petty imo But I suppose its better than being a guy who ducks 2/3 of the hard questions letting his lackeys or a link speak for him .

  80. Poolman, Thanks.

    Louie Louie may have been written in the fifties, but it made its impact in the early sixties when it stood out from the rest. The Kingsmen were involved in as many lawsuits as songs during their career. In fact, various factions sued each other. I’ll buy Dick Armory.

    However, Ron Paul was not the god father of the modern Tea Party as opposed to the 2007 version which was only a precursor to the real Tea Party. You could say the financial commentator Rick Santeli (SP) was the godfather. He certainly was part of the inspiration. Many Tea Partiers don’t like Paul or Palin.The movement as a whole has not chosen a presidential candidate during the primaries.

    Here is another off -beat analogy. Santa Claus has as many parents as the Tea Party. Suppose Ron represents the Sami contribution. Sami shamen as part of their worship ate red and white mushrooms which induced hallucinations. They watched reindeer circle over their shelters and float down chimneys. Spirits communicated through smoke and fire as they moved up and down chimneys.

    With this analogy, Ron Paul is eight flying reindeer. They are an important part of Santa, but only a part. Therefore Ron is NOT the godfather of the Tea Party.

    I hope you are having as much fun with this as I am.

  81. Re 99, Rutherford:

    Austerity sounds like fun doesn’t it? I described that worst case scenario which afflicts Greece to show I understand what we are in for if we try to live within our means. It will hurt.

    We either do it for ourselves and suffer like a drug addict in withdrawal, or we wait until the rules of economics force us into something worse.

    The CBO estimates the economy will end sometime around 2030 after an over ten year recession.

    Austerity is so hard the president of Estonia thinks we don’t have the guts to suffer through it as they did.

  82. Final tally – Repubs $30MM; Defeated Dims – $25MM.

    Seriously Tex can you back that up? The common wisdom is that the GOP with help from fat cats put way more money into this race than the Dem’s.

    But the bigger question with which I’ve been wrestling is “so what?” Is the average American voter so stupid that they only vote for the guy with more ads on the TV? Well I guess if the deluge of ads are slanderous and the opponent doesn’t have the money to broadcast his response then perhaps there is a problem.

    It makes me think that the American voter must become smarter and not be swayed by ads that sell politicians like dish washing detergent.

  83. With this analogy, Ron Paul is eight flying reindeer. They are an important part of Santa, but only a part. Therefore Ron is NOT the godfather of the Tea Party.

    😆 Now we’ve moved to the realm of the fantastic! Actually, I said grandfather and not godfather, and the infallible wikipedia supports that assertion.

    The Kingsmen rode the Louie Louie controversy for all it was worth, like the Koch brothers of today.

    Yes, this is fun. 😀

  84. Yes, 101 is funny. From what I heard, I wish we had cable. Apparently, MSNBC was also comedic gold. To be fair, I felt that way when Obama won.

    Tex, in 97 referred to the institutional dependency exhibited after Hurricane Katrina. A Bismark, editorial and several other local writers noted the difference between how they reacted and what we flood victims did.

    By the way, we are still suffering from that flood. Some fields are worthless and covered with sand. it blows in the wind and creates haze. The sand also cuts off corn plants. So far, the heartland still carries a modicum of self-reliance.

    I don’t know if the Lt Governor is a crack pot or not, Rutherford.If she is, it adds to the imaginary story line which I think would make a good Ray Bradbury book. If she is nutty enough, she could be a refugee from the “Martian Chronicles.”

  85. So much here and so little time. Sorry if I misspeak on who said what. James, I don’t know anything about Estonia but promise to look into it.

    Alfie, I heard the same thing about the insurance and it doesn’t surprise me. Years ago I was a Teamster. Their insurance only had one plan. No cafeteria. Great coverage but the college student paid just as much as a guy with a wife and four kids. They wouldn’t budge. Stupid. We voted their ass out.

    I like the Buffet rule about debt and deficits, but why should it take a rule. The people of this country could exercise the same power by using the same guideline when they vote.

    This one I will quote, because it was funny.

    “Careful now. That’s rhetorically proximate to a call for war.” – ET

    Some historians would argue that WWI and WWII were actually the same war.

    Spain lost its two best defenders to injury. I think it could be Germany or the Netherlands this year. Great fun whoever wins.

  86. What I say here and in several other comments is without the benefit of reading the whole thread (which I’m processing as we speak) so forgive any repetition of prior themes.

    Could someone explain to me just how stupid the MSM is that after one recall survival, Scott Walker is now being lauded as Vice Presidential material? We have truly lost our marbles.

  87. Rutherford, could you please do what you can to persuade Karen to post again?

    James I have my own motives for not encouraging Karen. You see, she currently thinks I’m a gentleman. These threads would most certainly burst that bubble. 🙂

  88. Regarding Poolman’s TMOT video (btw, I subscribe to the great TMOT’s videos) I wonder is this claim that the presumptive nominee is not really the nominee unprecedented? I don’t recall in any past primary season the winner of the nomination still being challenged by a grassroots movement, with dispute over number of delegates.

    Is my memory selective? Can any of you recall a similar type of Ron Paul delegate dispute strategy in prior elections?

    P.S. I’m just waiting for the day that TMOT crashes into something while filming his “drive time” videos.

  89. I think it will be interesting to see if post citizens decision politics reveals cleaner elections

    It depends on how you define “clean”. The fact that many campaign ads will essentially be “authorless” seems a bit dirty to me. “I’m Mitt Romney and I approved this message.” Yeah that works. “Paid for by Crossroads GPS”. No that does not work. Who the hell is really behind the ad? I want names.

  90. We know Obama was a member of the Choom gang in high school. In 1996, he joined the New Party, an organization related to ACORN and dedicated to replacing our basically capitalistic system with European socialism. It called for a peaceful revolution and redistribution.

    The CBS president said at a fund raiser that partisanship is part of journalism now. That is why they accepted Obama’s lies about the party during the last campaign. It also explains why some of them would like to destroy the internet as it is to regain their earlier near monopoly as news providers.

    The blog swatting I mentioned a while back has now been mentioned in Congress on ABC and on Fox. A blogger is trying to intimidate other bloggers to deny them their freedom of speech.

    Meanwhile Alan Dershowitz a critic of the case, says the Zimmerman prosecutor is threatening to sue Harvard to shut him up. The prosecutor is a Republican working for a Republican administration. Both parties would like to stifle freedom of speech when it hurts them.

  91. Your wish is my command, Mr. Rutherford. But short of the truly dimwitted and brainless (Poolman, Fat Grannies, Chatties), do you honestly think Big Labor wasn’t going to go all out in Wisconsin with their ass on the line? Come on!

    I can see some Valley Girl like Bubblegum Berhn’s repeating that line…but not smarter Dimocrats. The entire excuse wouldn’t hold water.

    Not so much you Rutherford, as you’re a lifetime of leftist indoctrination. I get that. You’re a true believer.

    But it’s pathetic to watch these shysters make every excuse in the book after picking a fight then getting their ass handed to them, trying to walk it back with excuses even the village idiot would recognize as utter bullshit – hence, village assistance apprentice Poolman repeating the lies. He’s probably a former union stooge and flunky. You could tell yesterday and today his ass is roasted. And that’s always a good thing.

    http://www.maciverinstitute.com/2012/06/big-labor-recall-total-to-exceed-20-million/

  92. I will say this about the Tea Party. I did what many of you have done with OWS. I allowed a few racists and knuckleheaded militia minded folks to color my attitude toward the entire movement. Clearly the central theme of smaller government has endured and the Tea Party has not gone away.

  93. Alfie I saw a bit about Prop 29 last night and frankly I’m puzzled, Back in March polling saw an approximately 67% support for raising the cig tax yet the raise was defeated at the polls Tuesday. Obviously Sandi is pissed that big Tobacco was able to “buy the vote”. But harkening back to my earlier comment, what does it say about the morals of the average CA voter that they would vote against this tax? I’m not sure I can blame big tobacco for that.

  94. But the bigger question with which I’ve been wrestling is “so what?” Is the average American voter so stupid that they only vote for the guy with more ads on the TV?

    Hussein thinks so, thus why he has campaigned more than any President in history. More than every President since Nixon combined.

  95. Is Bill Clinton working for Mitt?

    Bill going off the reservation is nothing new. The Bain attack as currently framed is not working and is being undermined not just by Bill but by Ed Rendell, Harold Ford Jr and Corey Booker. The proper Bain attack is to show simply that Bain does not prove Romney is a job creator. End of story. To go past that and condemn private equity is a bad move.

    Does Bill just like the attention he’s getting lately?
    Yes

    Is he bitter about something?
    I wouldn’t be at all surprised to learn that Bill hates Obama’s guts.

    Is Hilary promising a Lewinsky or something if he helps her 2016 ambitions?

    First, Bill wouldn’t stray in the first place if a “Lewinsky” from Hillary did the trick. Second, Bill wants a third term as POTUS and Hillary is the only way he can get it. She doesn’t need to offer squat. Bill wants her in the White House badly. (Although I must confess that some of his behavior in 2008 made it look like he was deliberately undermining her.)

  96. Rutherford, OWS was a joke from the start. While many of the participants might have been hoodwinked and real believers, OWS was fringe leftist politics bought and paid for – and it devolved quickly into anarchists and dope fiends. Less stupid Dims saw that pronto and bailed after a few days.

    OWS tried to copy the successes of the Tea Party, like leftists have tried co opting talk radio with Air America. Didn’t work then and it hasn’t worked now.

    Your mistake was that you believed Nancy Pelosi instead of us Cons on your board about the Tea Party – which really was a grass roots movement. It will last as long as it keeps every politician at arm’s length. It’s the real deal and was instigated at least in part not just in objection to Obama, but to the wimpy, pandering nature of John McCain in the 2008 Pres. election, and the spending policies of George Bush.

    Look, if people were being honest about Obama, his approval ratings might be 20%. He’s a disaster. That’s why Bush’s approval ratings were about 30%. There are by any poll twice as many people calling themselves Conservatives as Liberals in America. That means a whole bunch of Republicans/Conservatives were giving Bush negatives in that polling – me included. I was pissed about Medicare ‘D’. I was pissed about shamnesty. I was pissed Bush wasn’t giving back to the corrupted media in spades instead of sitting there like a toadstool.

    I may not be crazy about many of Romney’s gov’t policies, but I do like the man’s style. I want him to pull out the guillotine and waterboard to play politics.

  97. Rutherford, I’d still like to see England win or secondly Spain. Netherlands would be my next choice because I have relatives from there.

    I agree WW1 and WW11 were phases of the same war. I think you can make a case for Vietnam and the War on Terror too.

    114. This is from memory. Someone could look it up. I think Humphry faced a similar challenge from Eugene McCarthy in 1968. I believe TR challenged Taft and later split away to form the Bull Moose Party in 1912..

    Yes it is as stupid to swoon over Scott Walker as it was to dream of running Scott Brown after the Tea Party helped him win Massachussetes.

    The MSM is like a turn of the century baseball pitcher. He was good but easily distracted. Reps of opposing teams sat in the crowd and held up puppies to distract him. Bright shiny objects.

    I think you are a gentleman, but I may not be entirely sane. Heh heh.

  98. “James I have my own motives for not encouraging Karen. You see, she currently thinks I’m a gentleman. These threads would most certainly burst that bubble. ”

    Like hell. In this group, you’d be considered for sainthood.

  99. I figure Clinton doesn’t think that the President can help Hillary in 2016, and that’s all he really cares about.

    The President couldn’t go to Wisconsin. He was in a no-win situation.

    I think Walkers victory was more a vote against recalls for policy reasons than anything. It may be a harbinger but I think this big a ship doesn’t turn that easily. I suppose I’ll settle for a slight course correction anyway. The zealots are entertaining though. 😆 @ #101. That crank that slapped Barrett though – I saw a different view of it the first time before they buried that camera footage. It was astonishing.

  100. I hadn’t finished writing this when R’s #121 came in (re the Clintons).

    I don;’t know what Mr. C did in 2008 that harmed Hillary. What am I forgetting?

    I always thought the Sec of State appt was negotiated as something of a “me first then you” deal. It would fit with the Chicago way.

    If Mr. C did have anything to do with it then he did Hillary a huge favor then and his talk now doesn’t hurt her a bit.

  101. If there is anyone in America comparable to the true nature of Barack Hussein Obama and Michelle ‘Antoinette’ Obama, it’s Bill and Hillary Clinton. Malignant narcissists and filthy politicians.

    Only the Clinton’s are a hundred times more gifted than Brack and Marie. Sorry Rutherford. Has nothing to do with race. Bill Clinton is simply far more intelligent and far more gifted than Barack Obama. Barack Obama was a prop with one gift – to read a prepared speech with flair. Clinton is as good a slick politician as it gets, and he’s great on the stump sans notes. On top of that, Clinton understands free markets. Clinton is the later half 20th century Reagan for Dims.

    When that insufferable and hideous looking Axelrod pulled that stunt in SC in 2008 with the help of the paid Rev. race pimps, Bill and Hillary Clinton can never forgive and will never forget. Bill Clinton grew up in the deep south and lived through Orval Faubus – even protested against the National Guard. What Obama’s henchmen did was stick a knife in the belly of Clinton. It was low and it was bogus. And the Clintons have seethed for four years.

    One way or another, they’re going to get Barack Obama and his Chicago scum. I predicted when Obama appointed Hillary, it was to keep his enemies close. And I predict the Clintons are going to nail Obama’s ass to the wall before it’s through. They’ll get their vengeance and make it look like somebody else did it.

  102. “Meanwhile Alan Dershowitz a critic of the case, says the Zimmerman prosecutor is threatening to sue Harvard to shut him up. The prosecutor is a Republican working for a Republican administration. Both parties would like to stifle freedom of speech when it hurts them.”

    The corruption in the legal system is beyond frightening. My daughter just quit her job; in the PD system where she is working, the head of investigations is the wife of the chief attorney, (always a bad idea – I ended up firing my partner’s wife in a former life, LOL). Anyway, she is lazy and worthless. She also has an erection for my daughter, who has been pushing her on investigations. She won’t “investigate” unless the case is set for trial, at which point the plea bargains have already been made; unfortunately, any exculpatory evidence she uncovers is too late to affect the bargain, causing several of my daughter’s clients to accept bargains not in their best interest. My daughter’s boss told her flat out that he was not going to recommend her for a scheduled promotion unless she gets off his wife’s ass, so she quit and went into private practice in the same town. Nice going, guys. She is filing a complaint with the (bar, is it?).

    And then there is the stellar Mike Nifong…the list goes on. These cowfucker prosecutors are elected, for the most part, and politics plays an unreal part in their decisions. Justice? Just collateral damage, if it ever happens.

    Alan Dershowitz is my hero. My daughter is doing pro bono work for his Innocence Project. I couldn’t be prouder…

    http://www.innocenceproject.org/

  103. I have to go now, Poolman.

    The Kingsmen could have paid for lawyers’ kids’ college educations with their endless litigation. . If they are like the Kock brothers, do you think one of them said “mom liked you best”?

    I’ve had fun too, especially with your comment about Wickapedia. That was funny.

    I leave you now with the image of Ron Paul with a white beard and Santa suit as eight tiny reindeer carry him into the Republican convention.

  104. Says the man whose bowels gets twisted by a web symposium

    It was a business symposium you nincompoop, not a political one. I need to keep earning PDU’s to maintain my PMP. Google that! 🙂

    When you have IBS it probably isn’t smart to drink milk, consume curry powder and load up on chocolate all in the same day. That was Tuesday. I paid for it dearly on Wednesday. Today has been only slightly better.

    BTW, I’m learning the hard way that all fiber supplements are not the same. Citrucel worked decently for me. Benefiber …. not so much! 😦

    P.S. I also accidentally got my kid’s hair creme in my mouth in what can only be called a freak accident. I’m pretty damn sure I didn’t swallow any of it but damn the taste did linger.

  105. Quit wasting your time and money on these pyramid marketing schemes you attend – web, or no web.

    LOL see comment 132. Google WILL be of assistance.

  106. But Tex you touch upon something that has amazed me in the past five years of meager income. There are countless people using countless ways to part you from your money … and the folks who exploit the unemployed with get rich quick schemes and “resume consultation” are right at the head of the line.

    I wish I had the morals of a snake … I’d be rich by now.

  107. I think Walkers victory was more a vote against recalls for policy reasons than anything.

    I think you’re right, but only half the explanation for the margin. This was the rust belt, the last bastion of real union power this side of NYC. If California hadn’t just ripped the hair off the public union legs in California, I might agree in entirety, Muffy.

    But San Jose, CA, loon capital, arugula chewing, Euell Gibbon’s grandchildren, par excellence voted 70% to cut public union pensions too.

    I think people are generally fed up with unions, especially public unions and their sense of entitlement. Even leftists like Rutherford have to walk through TSA molestations and legalized lynchings, get infuriated when doors fall off their new cars, have to send their kids to failed public education institutions with tenured teachers, and have a sense of public theft.

  108. It was a business symposium you nincompoop, not a political one. I need to keep earning PDU’s to maintain my PMP. Google that!

    Don’t need to Google. Like I told Curator and his accredited credential – it’s a crock of shit and money maker for the people putting on the dog and pony show and passing out the rag. Like a liberal art’s degree. You can wipe your ass with it, but hurts like a mofo when you recognize you had to pay for the luxury and it left a rash – in this case, on your credit card.

    And where did I say your “business” symposium political, Noodle? 😀

    I find it hard to believe after 25 years of horse dung, people are still putting worth in that.

  109. James, the Louie, Louie of which you speak was not even an original. The original was actually sort of a reggae tune that was then adapted by The Kingsmen into the hit we know today. (An aside — I think Neil Diamond had some pretty damn good stuff.)

  110. I just remembered that I bought the Kindle version of Dershewitz’s The Case For Israel a while back.

    There’s a drawback to Kindle. You don’t see your book lying around not being read.

  111. Rabbit I have to wonder if the framers even thought of a global economy.
    They definitely did, it’s just that the globe was “smaller”. It gets overlooked a lot or even worse misrepresented but the USA actually had a foreign policy in place right from the get go that appreciated the possibilities and pitfalls of what was a global economy of the time.

  112. Rutherford, according to TMOT, his “driving” is a software program. He claims he isn’t really driving. It sure seems realistic to me. But it is a virtual reality, much like a lot of the stuff our government asserts.

  113. I’d like to offer a differing view on the WW’s than those present on the thread.
    WWI was a European world order hissy fit that sucked others into it. The US had little cause to entertain it and if it wasn’t for the idealism of Wilson and his ilk we probably could’ve avoided it.
    WWII obviously has geo-political roots in the outcomes of WWI but I disagree that shows a continuation sort of thing.

  114. @ Rutherford re prop 29. People saw it as a positive. Raise the tax. On the face almost anyone would support that especially those who don’t share the vice covered by the tax. thing is though the money was not really gonna help the state. It was going to create a bureaucracy,that in a state that doesn’t need any more of that.
    Seriously California Brown should just up the tax if he can and use it for the all ready existing cessation and enforcement things. Surely they could also funnel some into the Cali-med programs too. A whole new “research” empires with staff and new buildings??? f that.

  115. I’d agree with that Alfie, though you can tie some of the enablers for the geo-political machinations directly to WWI. However, Hitler’s designs simply found fertile ground and were not a result of WWI and its after affects.

  116. re: Kindle –

    The Kindle has opened up quite a market for “Mommy Porn.” The ladies have always had a passion for edgy romance stories – much more so than men, who prefer the visual. Now that you can keep hundreds of books in your Kindle – and lock them from prying eyes, it is a remarkable repository – I’m told that teens refer to it as “Mommy’s naughty reader.” LOL. You can read it on the beach, as the sun does not wash out the print – quite a little invention.

    Since my wife and I have some Web expertise, we have made a little foray into the e-publishing business. It is coming along slowly; when I quit in three weeks I will be able to devote a whole workday to the project. I hope that by this time next year my medical career is well in the rear-view mirror. I will miss the paycheck, but the time and satisfaction of being my own boss again will be worth so very much more.

  117. One last one…. My curiosity re ‘cleaner” elections is based in the following.
    If entities can support ideas instead of people aren’t they more likely too? If that is the route do they even attempt to “buy” pols? I know as a rule I’m a realist but I do have streaks of idealism in me.. Little tiny ones but they’re there.

  118. “If California hadn’t just ripped the hair off the public union legs in California, I might agree in entirety, Muffy.”

    LOL. I read this sentence way too fast and thought for a minute that you had outdone yourself with your talent for metaphors. 😆

    Seriously, I do think that the pension reform in CA makes a good case for a tide that’s turning. I’m just not very hopeful. *grimace*

  119. I don;’t know what Mr. C did in 2008 that harmed Hillary. What am I forgetting?

    Bill’s infamous Jesse Jackson statement in South Carolina didn’t do Hill any favors. There are more, I just can’t think of them now. I just remember repeatedly thinking “Bill seems jealous that Hillary is in the spotlight.”

  120. Paul supporters are looking for a revolution. If they do some of the things they may very well be able to do,they do so with complete disregard of the popular vote,what they’ll get is a WAR.

  121. Well Tex, if it makes you feel any better, the symposium was free … or to be more honest, it was part of my membership in the IS Community of Practice. So I didn’t outlay any extra dough to attend.

    My attitude toward the PMP has vacillated over the years. When I first attained it in 1995 I thought it was a complete joke. But the truth is many PM job listings now have it as a required certification to even be considered.

    That said, I understand your skepticism. With the number of PM’s holding PMP’s one has to wonder why most projects STILL fail. 😐

  122. Poolman, I’ve heard TMOT say this but I wonder if it is just a disclaimer to cover his ass. Then again … come to think of it … I never hear any traffic noise during his videos.

    Mmmmm food for thought.

  123. My only very basic understanding of the connection between the two world wars was that Germany was treated like sh*t in the aftermath of the first one, and it fueled their ferocity in the second one.

  124. Paul supporters are looking for a revolution.

    It may take you awhile, but you do seem to eventually catch on. 😀 Especially true if you understand the real definition of the word..

  125. In the most basic understanding, yes. The economic penalties from WWI fertilized the socioeconomics of the time to be receptive of ANY ideology that could get them better.

  126. Rutherford –

    Germany was saddled with un-sustainable burden for “reparations” to the other involved countries in WWII. They were literally starving; the load was such that they couldn’t even get their economy going well enough to make the money required to pay the reparations, let alone that and feed themselves. (That is a good parallel with what happens when you have extremely high taxes, like now.)

    They just said fuck it and began printing money as fast as they could print, knowing full well what they were doing, but they had no choice. Thus you get the Weimar period, with just unbelievable inflation, allowing them to stiff their creditors by paying with printed money.

    Then came the National Socialists, promising a return to a soverigh Germany which was feared and respected once again. The rest is history.

    That’s a very, very sketchy summary as I understand.

  127. Shit – typing too fast. I am trying to get out of here on time today – for once.

    …involved countries in WWI, not II

    …sovereign…

    …as I understand it…

  128. Symposiums are never free. You paid for it, one way or another. I’m not ragging you like you think. You’re a rube – but you have a pretty good sniffer for horse shit – except Obama’s. 😉

    It just pisses me off these places are leading people to believe what they are selling is a passport to fiscal paradise.

    You forget, my first degree, or at least a small part, was in something called Operations Research – a predecessor to every methodology to come down the pike in the last 50 years. Then I followed that up with an MBA when it was still really an MBA, a large part of it more of the same.

    I’ve applied every statistical technique, linear and non linear, every program evaluation and review, every survey technique, every new crazed idea to follow Michael Malkin, Darwin Klingman, NASA PERT, Japanese TQM methodology some marketer ever dreamed up and sold. And here is what happens. Upon completion, you write an Executive summary for Executives who haven’t a clue what all of it means, and only want to know, “Will it make a profit or reduce costs?”

    For a short time as nothing much more than a kid out of college, I taught both SAS and Oracle certification crap to Fortune 500s with more money than they knew what to do with, littered with really fancy names like ‘Stored Procedures’ (WOW), never telling them, “Yeah, it’s nine lines of embedded code running in the background.” 😆

    We’d charge thousands of dollars for a 3-5 day class. I’d stamp their diplomas, knowing fully well the only way they would learn is to do it.

    And invariably, the only way you manage a project is to have enough horse sense to balance the demand and constraint with the talent, or do it yourself – I don’t care if you’re writing a system for small business, or managing the Apollo mission. The only real ‘technique’ is to figure out how much to fudge the initial estimate just in case you screw it up the first time.

    By the time most of these thieves had ‘documented the processes’ and ‘mined their data’, I could have written the systems ten times over. And on a few occasions, I did. 😀

  129. Tex – I didn’t know you were an MBA!

    I am thinking of applying for a 2-year MBA program locally, to help me and my wife with our businesses – even if I go back into the med business at some point – which at this time, I seriously doubt.

    I’m 59 and it is a ball-buster – Darden B-school at UVA. My wife thinks I have enough of an “interesting” background to get in.

    What are your thoughts? Worth it?

  130. I always thought the Sec of State appt was negotiated as something of a “me first then you” deal. It would fit with the Chicago way.

    Actually it fits the globalist way. Maybe Chicago is taking cues from the globalists. The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA surely is.

    WASHINGTON – Sen. Barack Obama ditched his unsuspecting press entourage yesterday to attend a secretive meeting with Sen. Hillary Clinton.

    But where did that meeting take place? Was it at the secretive Bilderberg conference in Chantilly, Va.? So far, neither campaign is talking.

    http://www.wnd.com/2008/06/66442/

  131. “I just remember repeatedly thinking “Bill seems jealous that Hillary is in the spotlight.”

    I thought he viewed her success as an extension of his legacy, an opportunity to remain in the spotlight, and knew everyone would recognize him as the man behind the curtain. Clinton like Obama is a narcissist and sexist.

  132. I know the Fed board of govenors can’t be removed for 14 years. But, can a president remove the chairmen? Or is he titanium for his 4 year term? Who has greater influence on the near future of America, considering our circumstances, Congress, POTUS, Supreme Court, Federal Reserve?

    Outside of Obama, I think the Cheif Fed is by far the most powerful man in the world. He has the power to derail almost any legislation since nothing is paid for. What if the Fed is, or becomes, completly partisan? An incumbent presisent could dictate the price of oil, the price of food, the stock market, gold, housing. All within a month or two of an election. There is no way the founding fathers ever imagined a mam with this much power. At the very least, we now have 4 branches of government.

  133. Protocol # 20, rabbit. (I know it’s said to be forged, but oh, how prophetic!) Henry Ford was probably right, IMO.

  134. Damn phone. Why do I bother. Too cheap to buy a computer. I just can’t stop buying shiny stuff. I’m thinking of leaving a treasure map and an old camper for my boys
    How cool would that be!

  135. The problem as I see it Tex is that folks still think a “methodology” can cover up a host of sins. There’s been no methodology ever created that could defeat executive or team stupidity.

  136. PF today’s glossary:

    PM = Project Manager
    PMP = Project Management Professional (a certification granted by the Project Management Institute (PMI))

    TMOT = The Minister of Truth, a Ron Paul supporter with a crap load of YouTube videos.

  137. Rutherford, thanks for the link. I still like that song. I like Niel Diamond’s music too, but it is not rock I used him as a surrigate for the usurpers who tried to take over the Tea Party.

    Early rock simmered for years as hillbilly, black rythem and blues, Scotts -Irish New Orleans and other sounds until it all came together and people noticed. It was the same for “Louie Louie”. No one noticed until about 1963 the same as the Ron Paul Tea Party campaign group emerged. But it wasn’t the British Invasion, and it wasn’t the real Tea Party. It was a precursor of what would come..

  138. “Tigre I think we witnessed an inner struggle between Clinton’s ego as himself and his ego as an extension of Hillary.”

    Exactamondo!

    Well put.

  139. Pfessor’s story about legal machinations conforms my opposition to the death penalty.

    His 162 describes it pretty well. A balance of power kept Europe relatively peaceful for many years. War was inevitable after the mutual fear frayed, and all Europe needed was a spark.

    Germany and several other countries were in such a bad way because the balance was broken and the winners were more interested in retribution than repairing their enemies’ countries. The winners also bolixed the Middle East by changing borders in opposition to ethnic boundries. The war nudged the Soviets into existance. These unresolved potential conflicts were the children of WW1. Some of these changes might have happened without WW1, but they are tied to it.

    Without the war, Germany’s economy would have been less condusive to a savior such as Hitler, in my opinion.The decades between the two wars were equivalent to Sarah Palin’s reloading. (How do you like my including your favorite Sarah, Rutherford? Ha!) WW 11 was another struggle to create a new balance of power.

    In the same sense that the Hundred Years War was divided into segments, WW1 and WW 11 were basically the same.. The American Revolution was only a part of a larger quasi-world war. One could almost say WW1 was really WW11.

    Alfie, what if candidates did not appear in person but only their goals and debates were in print and on screen. No one would know to which party they belonged, and or their gender, race or ages. No one would know if they pushed girls or cut boys’ hair in school. The press would be required to give the candidates equal time with no spin. Would it be worse than what we have now?

  140. Gorilla, Ed Schultz only makes me damn happy to be a bitter clinger. Ed’s a clinger of a sort – the kind that sticks to the intergluteal fold.

  141. Pfesser, don’t bother with an MBA. It used to be a damn good degree 25 years ago. Then they started watering it down to make it palatable for the masses, so grade inflation types could get one too. 😀

    Maybe 20% of it would apply to what you might use. I would recommend instead those Business Reviews that schools like Harvard provides for execs. Virginia is prominent enough, I’m sure the Universities offer something similar.

    If you do, take a compressed program consisting only of accounting, finance and economic classes, unless you want to have MBA behind the business card. The rest is pretty much a waste of time for a small business owner.

  142. I didn’t’ think anybody would admit to recognizing it.

    😆 I gots to admit. Rutherford knows his music artists. I just thought the gravatar looked funny when I stole it. Somebody had to tell me what the hell it was.

  143. R, you’ve been kinda quiet about the WI recall. I couldn’t be happier. It makes optimistic that the psychology in the country is changing to what it should be.

    Of course watching Shultz almost cry is all the proof I needed. 😆

  144. James #178 states:

    Alfie, what if candidates did not appear in person but only their goals and debates were in print and on screen. No one would know to which party they belonged, and or their gender, race or ages. No one would know if they pushed girls or cut boys’ hair in school. The press would be required to give the candidates equal time with no spin. Would it be worse than what we have now?

    I found that real thought provoking. My personal take goes a little like this.
    I think candidates should campaign and debate.
    I’m a big believer in parties,in fact I think we should have more and that the rules should be set to foster such. I am on record elsewhere as to being for or at least open to multi party and coalition government especially at the federal/national level.
    I believe candidates should be vetted publicly. I feel the problem we have today isn’t what we find or don’t find but the overall conduct and agendas of the searchers. I do believe the press should be required to provide equal time as it is in the interest of the electorate to do so and yes it must be spin free. However I do not believe in the media/entertainment being required to offer equal time,there it can be all about the $$’s and since I agree with Citizens it can also be about a position.
    Hope that addresses things a bit.

  145. R, you’ve been kinda quiet about the WI recall.

    I never had as much invested as some of my fellow libs. I had mixed feelings about the legislative walk out last year and I have mixed feelings about the power of unions. I also haven’t gone deep dive enough to accuse Walker of being the monster he’s made out to be by the opposition.

  146. Interestingly, I just read two posts I made on the subject last year. I was pretty hard on Walker. As usual I got caught up in the passion of the moment. But my stance on the legislative walkout was consistent with what I wrote in 191.

  147. Regarding 190, Poolman that’s gotta sting. Paul himself has essentially conceded and his son has backed the “presumptive nominee”.

    Can’t wait to see what TMOT has to say about that.

  148. Rutherford, Dr Paul is not out. It’s been called before. The email he sent out does not say he’s conceding. It says he thinks at this rate he’ll be sending 500 delegates to Tampa, which is 20 percent and won’t be enough. There’s a difference.

    Rand’s endorsement of Romney two days after Bilderberg was mostly predicted. I can sense coercion when it surfaces. Hannity enjoyed that too much. What an ass he exemplifies. But then, that’s how he has always struck me.

    The revolution is in motion and won’t be turned back. Stay tuned. It ain’t over yet.

  149. I never knew you a union stooge until yesterday.

    In true dinosaur fashion, therantysoreass Tex taxes his pea-sized brain’s cognitive abilities to discern never knews and known knowns of yesterday’s yesterday.

    Extinction is inevitable. Resistance is futile. Don’t fear the reaper.

  150. Thanks Alfie. You explained your opinion. Nebraska has a unicameral legislature, and it is supposed to be non -partisan. Voters know who the party members are, but the candidates don’t make as big an issue of it as they do in Iowa.

    You mentioned the press. They are failing us. A caller from Wisconsin said the press in Madison was slanting its stories against Walker and the Republicans so badly she wondered how anyone could know what was going on. . We also know our press ran interference for Obama during the last election, and they still do. A poor solution is to have enough money to buy one’s version of the news.

    Consider this. Stanley Kurtz who exposed Obama’s relationship with ACORN and ACORN’s contribution to the melt down now has proof Obama belonged to the socialist New Party. A German and a New Zealand paper describe how Obama’s compatriots believed a socialist revolution was impossible. They would have to infiltrate the Democratic party first and change it from the inside.

    They may be conspiratorial, but at least they are discussing the revelation. So far, our press is largely silent. Something is wrong when European news media tells us more about our politics than our own reporters. One poor solution is money, a lot of money for political ads.

  151. Yes, Rutherford, the Estonian president is a trifecta. His story caught my attention. He speaks about five languages, and though he was born in Sweden, he doesn’t speak English. Europeans move around a lot.

    Our high school Spanish teacher lives in Spain, but she was born in Switizerland. She completed forms so she could stay here for three more years. Since she is Spanish a clerk told her she could not mark the “White” box. When the clerk learned our friend was born in Switzerland, it she told her it was all right for her to mark “White” Our friend speaks seven languages.

    I looked up Estonia to learn more about it. One way to get hints is looking at the back grounds and audiences of flash mobs. A current flash mob featured young women who were as hot as any Swede. They danced to “Moves like Jagger. They didn’t have Jagger’s moves, but they didn’t need them. They were HOT!

  152. Ladies and Gentlemen, may I present what constitutes “Green Jobs”.

    R, your thoughts will be most welcomed…

  153. poolman@200:

    Absolutely right. It would be so easy to rig the vote and then have the machines reprogram themselves, wiping out any indication that te programming had ever been changed. The potential for abuse, combined with the immeasurable damage caused by a rigged vote, makes me absolutely committed to paper ballots. If people had any idea about how easy it would be, they would be up in arms all over the country.

  154. gorilla@202. I am beginning to like this Issa guy. He is on Eric Holder’s ass like a duck on a June bug. I hope the sonofabitch goes to jail.

  155. therantysoreass Tex

    Now I must say, that is classic. Followed by Extinction is inevitable. Resistance is futile. Don’t fear the reaper.
    What a way to start my day. LOL 😆

  156. Indeed. In fact, I’m about to go camping and fishing, so I’ll be supporting the green economy all weekend. Both of us will spend money while not making any money while doing something that was around LONG before Barack Kardashian Obama was here.

    Green jobs are just like the Saved or Created jobs metric: COMPLETELY FABRICATED.

    Tell me that doesn’t make you a little sick to your stomach to see such deceit?

  157. Off topic: I believe he was the first American to join the band Fleetwood Mac (before Stevie Nicks and Lindsay Buckingham joined). One of his two major hits from the 70’s. Ignore the VERY cheesy video and just enjoy the music.

    Bob Welch, R.I.P.

  158. Poolman,you hitched your little red wagon to a loser. Like your union. Unfulfilled and in arrears. Like your monthly phone bill and house payment. Like your life. 😮

    What did the Chatty Kitchen Think Tank conclude of you and your closet union goons getting your bubblegum asses chewed last Tuesday night in the recall?

    Was the vote rigged too? Probably the Mossad. Cause we know you’re the only honest guy going these days.

  159. Gorilla and Tigre, this liberal outcry about not voting for the hardcore leftist Obama is humorous. The fact they’re too stupid to figure out Obama had to follow Dick Cheney’s plan about a great many things, from GITMO to war, has never entered their mind they were wrong. Obama knows he was wrong. He’s too arrogant to admit it, so he was hoping they wouldn’t notice.

    Like Clinton spitting Obama out, these liberals are eating their own at the moment. But as November nears, as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow…

    Lefties will be there come November pulling a straight Lefty ticket. Like I’ve said. People like Rutherford and Thor? Leftist politics is their life, their religion, their god. They’d sacrifice their children at the altar of Obama if they though Lucifer and Gaia could pull it out for Obama come November.

    Don’t be fooled by Rutherford’s melancholy song recently. He’s rubbing stones together every night, praying at the Obama temple for another November miracle.

  160. I expect to see a whole lot more of these Bob Welch announcements in the coming years. As these Woodstock folks age very ungracefully before our eyes, we will learn that many of these folks were pretty unstable people.

    Saw him in concert once in a theater and lost about a million audio cells – loudest concert I ever saw and one of the worst.

    Still think Fleetwood Mac did him dirty. He should have been inducted in the Hall of Fame with the rest of them.

  161. I rather liked the early version of Sentimental Lady he did with Fleetwood Mac.

    Here’s a better version of that gawdawful cheese that you posted, Rutherford. This one has the joy of summer’s past written all over it. I know PF will appreciate it anyway 😉

  162. Thanks for the memories Rutherford. I also liked Bob Welch’s singing.

    One of my favorite Fleetwood Mac songs was “Man of the World” when they were an English blues band. We watched them sing on the BBC. I miss Top of the Pops.

    One link to the song you posted was Al Stewart’s “Year of the Cat” another of my favorites.

    The “Think Tank’s” day is coming, either in November when the Democrats lose or by the end of Obama’s second term if they win. I may visit the site again after the election to see what is happening.

    The left belongs to one of the world’s largest suicide pacts.

  163. Durn intrusive apostrophes (“summers past”).

    If you took the social issues out of the equation would that change the way people voted? Pretend for a second that the Republicans don’t hate minorities and the men aren’t at war with women 🙄 – do people really want to keep trying it President Obama’s way?

    I’m describing a fiscal liberal with conservative social leanings. I can’t say that I know any.

  164. Good find, Muffy. I was graduating from high school about then. I find myself at night anymore, when everyone has left and the house real quiet, thinking about how fast all of this has gone.

    Seems like only yesterday, I was 18 and had the entire world ahead of me. Wish I would have had a little more sense then. Something tells me about 20 years from now, assuming I make it that long, I’m going to be saying the same thing to myself about wasting time on blogs too. 😦

    I know this is heresy – though I really liked Fleetwood Mac, I think Stevie Nicks is one of the most overrated talents ever. And I came to that conclusion after watching them recently on PBS. Christine McVie is infinitely more talented in my book. Has aged better too.

  165. Tell me that doesn’t make you a little sick to your stomach to see such deceit?

    G, I don’t view it as some grand deception. I view it as typical bureaucratic idiocy. This happens in the business world all the time as metrics are defined that make no sense or don’t properly measure stuff.

  166. Durn emoticons (:rolleyes:)

    Oh James – Man of the World is a great song. Albatross and Did You Ever Love Me. Dust. I still have all of my old albums and I took good care of them too.

    I remember findly the first time I put the headphones of a Sony Walkman on. I don’t think I got off my bike for 3 months.

  167. Damn you Rutherford. Now I will be humming Fleetwood Mac songs all morning. Saw this a few weeks back on PBS. Guess it is about 15 years old now, but I really enjoyed this concert on TV. And I especially liked the way they did this song. Very simple, very nice.

  168. Tigre that was one odd article from the CBS web site. The headline was totally designed to get you to read the article but the article really didn’t deliver the goods. Polling shows (according to the article) a much greater enthusiasm gap for Romney among GOPhers than for Obama among libs.

    Still, the central theme is not new news. I keep telling you guys that this so-called radical President has disappointed lots of progressives but you guys don’t want to listen. Personally, so far I have contributed a token amount to the DSCC because I think it far more important to ensure a majority in the Senate than to worry about Obama.

  169. “I think Stevie Nicks is one of the most overrated talents ever.”

    Step back Jack.

    Just kidding. IMO Christine McVie is a more talented musician but Stevie is an incredibly gifted softwriter. But most of it is chick stuff though. Christine is very cool and you’re right – she looks phenominal.

    I get really nostalgic when I see footage of sunny days from summers past. I want a time machine.

  170. Hey Tex, you’re batting .500. On the one hand you couldn’t be more wrong about GITMO. Gitmo is still around because of an obstructionist legislative branch which would not appropriate the necessary funding to close it. Obama could not deliver on that promise.

    As for where you’re right — every night I go into deep meditation and repeat my mantra:

    Oooooooooooobama
    Oooooooooooobama
    Oooooooooooobama

    🙂

  171. Still think Fleetwood Mac did him dirty. He should have been inducted in the Hall of Fame with the rest of them.

    I would agree except that I don’t know who is the arbiter of group composition when it comes to the Hall of Fame. Does the “Hall” pick out the former members who will be recognized or does the band?

  172. I’d like a time machine too, Muffy. Take me right back to 1978, only knowing what I know now. 🙂 Otherwise, I’d just screw the pooch again.

    I dated this bubble headed bleach blond in 1976-77 when Rumors came out. Mary Anne was her name – she seemed absolutely a knock out at the time, and all the boys were jealous. I look at her pictures now, and realize she wasn’t so hot. 😆 Funny how things change.

    She was dumber than a stump – couldn’t pass high school algebra to save her life. And I mean couldn’t pass – like ‘D’ pass.

    We spent many a minute smooching to that Dreams song. She had this thing about that song and Stevie, and I had this thing for manipulating her idiocy with it. 😈

  173. I read where Welch and the rest of them had a falling out, and they turned on Welch after that, “R”. Guess they never reconciled.

    And to answer your question, I do not know.

    P.S. – President Choom had a super majority Congress, “R”. Your challenge seems pretty empty. The real fact is, Choom got on the throne, and figured out GITMO wasn’t so bad after all and the people of Illinois didn’t want that scum on their turf.

    How quickly you forget.

  174. Muffy, I agree about “Albatros” etc too. We also have our old record albums and a record player that works. Those were good times weren’t they? This song and your Walkman took me back to Hoss, who I met while working on the river.

    Tex, I was 18 and working on the river to help pay for college. Most of us except for our boss were under 25 because the county believed older men couldn’t stand the heat and working conditions. The exception was a fit 65 year old man named Hoss He worked as hard as anyone. One day he said to me “I wish I could trade my 65 years for your 18.” I understand better now.

    The river was muddy and in flood with trash and dead animals floating down stream. Hoss took a drink from the water though we told him not to. “It won’t hurt me. I’ve drunk out of every river from here to Bell Fouche,” SD.It was a big mistake.

  175. Muffy thanks for the alternative Welch video. I was too lazy to find a better copy.

    For me “Ebony Eyes” beats out “Sentimental Lady” by a hair. I do like “Sentimental Lady”. I’m a sucker for guitar riffs and I like the one in “Ebony Eyes”.

    It’s been a bad year for the Mac. Lesser known band member Bob Weston died in January.

    Aside to Tex, from the little I’ve read Welch was not your typical burnout when he died. He was suffering from serious health problems and as some do, chose to end it.

  176. Tex reminded me of another memory.

    Dee Dee was a cheerleader ,and she was one of the hottest girls in school. Everyone wanted to date her. She and I became friends during Senior Skip Day when our class spent three days in Kansas City.

    Afterward, she told my best friend she wouldn’t mind going out with me. We graduated and I wanted to be gone, so I never asked her out. Both of us moved away.

    We ran into each other a few times over the years, and we had long chats. More years passed.

    I was sitting in the car waiting for my wife. A little old lady stuck her head in the passenger window and said “HI JIM!!” “Hi!!” I answered, though I had no clue who the woman was. We talked for ten minutes or so, and she said she had to return to the laundramat to help her mother. I still didn’t know who she was.

    My wife knew her mother and was visiting with her in the laundramat. . I told her about the mystery woman, and my wife said “That was Dee Dee!”

  177. do people really want to keep trying it President Obama’s way?

    Muffy, I’d give this question more credence if the past two years were “Obama’s way”. Obama is checked by a GOP House and a lack of a super-majority in the Senate (to defeat filibusters). He hasn’t had “his way”.

    In fact, the bigger question is what is “his way”? I’m really not so sure at this point. I don’t find Obama nearly as ideological as the rest of you. I think he is more opportunistic, practical and pragmatic than ideological.

  178. Rutherford, Obama’s way to me means essentially to ignore the deficit and refuse to cut spending, promote ill will towards the rich, and to essentially ignore the economy by throwing a wad of money at it – talk about a corporate mentality – and to deligate HCR to congress with the directive to “get it done.”

    “His way” is terribly inefffective. You say he hasn’t had his way but I say he has made a bad situation worse by not knowing how to work with people. He wants to decree not to debate.

  179. l still like their Tusk video with the USC marching band. Stevie Nicks twirled her baton pretty well.

  180. I think he is more opportunistic, practical and pragmatic than ideological.

    Eric Holder and $5,000,000,000,000 in additional debt with an additional $4,100,000,000 a day is what “pragmatic and practical” got us.

    Good grief.

    Which side of the rainbow you working today, Tin Man?

    Opportunistic, Choom is. A completely unprincipled and megalomaniac/political hack. Expediency is Choom’s middle name, and shucking the corn cob his game. He works both sides of the mooch aisle – Hollywood and Rubedom.

    You were his little nub in 2008. You’re the little prongs you shove in the side of the cob now.

  181. You conveniently forget one thing, Rutherford. Real convenient.

    The Republican House can’t get their way either. They can simply stop any more idiocy being shoved down the taxpayer’s throat. Obama’s WAY was 70 lost Congressional seats. What remained from Obama’s EPIC FAIL the first two years is what we are stuck with until the election.

    We got debt out the wazoo, quantitative easing shell games, losing the Afghan War, BombaCare, massive over regulation, 17,000,000 million additional food stamp recipients, racial tension, and stagflation of consumer staples.

    That’s the Obama Way.

    Congratulations on your undying support. 😡

  182. Tex, Stevie is a very stylized performer with strong folk roots. If I’m not mistaken her vocal style is Appalachian folk music. Rather than call her overrated, I’d say she is an acquired taste. Not many songs can beat the beauty of “Landslide”.

    BTW I’m just guessing but I think the PBS clip you posted was from their “The Dance” concert.

  183. Summer.

    Sweet, cloying summer.

    On the dole.

    Cadillac cars, barbeque ribs, I’m not as stupid as you think I is.

  184. Obama had it “his way” when he was still “the one” and held majorities in both houses of Congress. He cared less for unemployment than in creating a monument to himself.

    Obama is also a show horse, content to preen in the afterglow of others’ accomplishments. Thus, he lets others do the heavy work for him. The health insurance law is an important example. It was his baby, and he was as ignorant of its contents as the news media and most Congresspeople.

    Obama is also a socialist in ideology if not in name. His membership in and pledge to the New Party helps explain his recent governing record.

    A German news paper reports that part of the New Party strategy was to infiltrate the Democratic Party with Trojan Horses and to send the economy into a depression so it could rebuilt into the image of European socialism.

    Obama’s way is the path of failure

  185. I didn’t say I didn’t like Stevie Nicks. When I was in high school and college, she was the face of Fleetwood Mac. It’s just as I got older, I realized she was probably the least talented of the group, IMO. That doesn’t mean she wasn’t talented.

    Yes, Landslide is a dandy song. The later version from the Dance was actually better than the recorded, IMO.

    And you are correct. It was the Dance. I had seen it before, but never all the way through. Excellent.

  186. Take me right back to 1978, only knowing what I know now.

    Doesn’t work that way my friend. If you knew then what you know now, you wouldn’t have been you then and you’d be different now. In fact, you might not have made it this far.

    I think the stupidity of youth protects us from seeing just how royally f*cked everything is. If we all had 50 year old perception at the tender age of 18, we’d all jump off the nearest bridge.

  187. I agree with Rutherford about Stevie Nicks. One of my favorites is “Talk to Me.” It sounds like something a therapist would say to a client–our daughter, the therapist.

    Another future problem for Obama is several national security leaks which may come from the administration. Diane Feinstine is one of several Democrats who share Republican’s concern. There is talk of a special prosecutor.

  188. President Choom had a super majority Congress, “R”. Your challenge seems pretty empty.

    Super majority or not, the fact remains closing Gitmo was not funded and that was not the fault of Obama nor any indication of his lack of desire to do so.

  189. Actually Mr. Rutherford, I was thinking when I made that statement, over the last 33 years, I have learned through the school of hard knocks what two young parents should have taught me before the age of 18 when they booted me to the netherland.

    However, I saw this young gal last night on CBS Nightly News (which I seldom ever see) that had basically no parents, and through hard work (4 hours of janitorial service morning and night) and perseverance, will be attending Harvard next year. The head of the janitorial staff adopted her late.

    She doesn’t even know where her Stepdad and Mom are. So I am without excuse.

    Parenting is an acquired skill with no guide book. But there is no doubt you make a better parent in your 30s than you do in your late teens and early 20s. IMO.

  190. When I returned to the US and civilian life, I felt as if I was 50. Now, I feel like 25. At this rate, I will need someone to feed me in several years.

  191. I say he has made a bad situation worse by not knowing how to work with people.

    I agree Muffy particularly when it comes to working with Congress.

  192. Poolman,you hitched your little red wagon to a loser. Like your union. Unfulfilled and in arrears. Like your monthly phone bill and house payment. Like your life.

    And the first will be last and the last will be first, I know, I know. Everything will balance in the end. And, despite what you preach, the end never can justify the means.

  193. Obama’s numbers have dropped about 4 points in Wisconsin. I think he ignores it at his own peril.

    But I think the Walker victory was as much about the people of Wisconsin rejecting the whole recount premise as anything. Something like 65% of those voting thought recalls were bogus. They handed the Wisconsin senate back to the Dems. The whole thing is convoluted.

    A local rightie here had a pretty good take. Although Walker clearly outspent Barrett in this race, in totality in the entire recall process started last spring, both sides were pretty even in money spent. It’s possible the Dems sacrificed Barrett in order to get the Senate and just as likely the Republicans told their little guys they were on their own so they could concentrate on saving their “star”.

    I don’t think Walker will be on the ticket. Even if nothing comes from the investigation, why risk the chance of something being uncovered. Remember Mittens’ landscaper?

    He’s running for President, for Pete’s sake.

    Maybe he will pick Exxon as his running mate. “Corporations are people my friend!”

  194. I’ll bet a real leader like LBH would have gotten the closing of Gitmo funded. Obama is a show horse.

  195. Super majority or not, the fact remains closing Gitmo was not funded and that was not the fault of Obama nor any indication of his lack of desire to do so.

    Bulloney. The blame lays squarely on the shoulders of Obama and the Dimocratic Congress, who after proposing to do so during the campaign to appease their base, realized it was electoral suicide and potential security threat. The same reason they never brought KSM to NYC.

    I’m not sure Obama ever had intent to close GITMO in the first place. That or the fact, he was so naive/stupid, after becoming President the light bulb came on in that dim skull.

    Obama: Political expediency and gutless.

  196. I agree with some of your post, thor. This election has a bigger immediate psychological than political effect but it could be another Proposition 18. This could change the political Democratic-union dynamic and reduce a large source of money.

  197. re: summertime – anybody remember this?

    “Have a drink – have a drive” – boy was that a long time ago…

  198. Exxon would be infinitely better and would definitely win in a debate with Jolting Joe. Exxon actually create jobs, knows jobs is spelled with four letters, creates wealth, and know how to turn the lights on, say in comparison to the epitome of Dimocratic prowess: Detroit.

    This Constitutional expert that screwed up the 1st Amendment of the Constitution in a debate and is such a buffoon, even an epic fail like Obama had him closeted three years ago? That’s a Big Fuckin’ Deal!

    Unfortunately, Choom lost the key and Biden is on the loose again – just in time too. I was worried Choom wouldn’t provide the daily gaffe, though he’s gotten better with age. 🙂

    I don’t see you Leftists dragging out Biden much anymore as expert at anything. Cat got your tongue, Lefties?

  199. When I returned to the US and civilian life, I felt as if I was 50. Now, I feel like 25. At this rate, I will need someone to feed me in several years.

    That was funny, James. I have gone through a similar transition. No military service (except being an Army brat), but the construction work in the sun over years ages one rather well. I do feel now like I’m 30 or younger. My eldest complains about getting old (she’s 30) and I just laugh at her. We can converse like peers.

    Really, life is good. Maybe the globalists will shrivel up and die. That will be my prayer request for today. That way their conniving can cease and desist.

  200. And the first will be last and the last will be first, I know, I know.

    Somehow, I don’t think the Good Lord is going to pair you up with the Saints, sport. Are you familiar with Dante’s Inferno?

    Let me introduce you to Level #9. 😀

    The three faces of Satan, black, red, and yellow, can be seen with mouths gushing bloody foam and eyes forever weeping, as they chew on the three TRAITORS, Judas, Brutus, and Cassius. This place is furthest removed from the source of all light and warmth. Sinners here are frozen deep in the ice, faces out, eyes and mouths frozen shut. TRAITORS against God, COUNTRY, family, and benefactors lament their sins in this frigid pit of despair.

    Grab a coat, Jack.

  201. A fellow dies and goes to hell. First day is orientation, and a demon shows him around.

    First they go by a pit of fire, with the inhabitants shrieking and moaning. He says he doesn’t think that would suit him.

    Then they go by a field, with the sinners running around, being chased by demons who are constantly poking them in the ass with pitchforks. He thinks he’ll pass that one, too.

    Finally they come to a sewage pond, with the denizens standing up to their necks, drinking coffee.

    “Well, that doesn’t look all that appetizing, but it’s the best I’ve seen so far.” “OK, get in,” says the demon.

    Just as he reaches for a coffee cup, a loud whistle blows.

    “OK, COFFEE BREAK’S OVER – BACK ON YOUR HEADS!”

    See why I’m not a believer, Poolman? Your guy’s god has no sense of humour.

  202. See why I’m not a believer, Poolman? Your guy’s god has no sense of humour.

    😆 Sounds like a union job to me. My God has an awesome sense of humor. Too bad you’re not on headset. Often it’s hard to keep a straight face. 😉

  203. Margaret’s Husband Before He Passed….

    One bright, beautiful Sunday morning, everyone in Poolmanville wakes up early and goes to their local church. Before the service starts, the townspeople sit in their pews and talk about their lives, their families, etc.

    Suddenly, at the altar, Satan appears! Everyone starts screaming and running for the front entrance, trampling each other in their wake.

    One old man sits calmly in his pew, seemingly oblivious to the fact that evil incarnate is in his presence.

    Satan walks up to the man and says, “Hey, don’t you know who I am?”

    The man says, “Sure do.”

    Satan says, “Well, aren’t you afraid of me?”

    The man says, “Well, Hell No. Should I be?”

    Satan, perturbed, says, “And why aren’t you afraid of me?”

    “Well, I’ve been married to your sister for 50 years.”

  204. Rationalize it all you want, the dems lost to Walker becuase people are fearful of the tack and growing tired of the bs.

    The psychology has changed as anyone with a modicum of foresight would expect.

  205. A young man died somewhat before his time in a motor accident, and found himself in Hell.

    He sat in a hot ante-room surrounded by swirling sulfurous gases as he gloomily awaited his fate.

    Finally Satan arrived, detected the young chap’s demeanour and said, “Hey, why so glum? Hell’s not so bad!”

    The young man replied, “Well, frankly I’m a bit depressed because I didn’t really expect to be here. I know I’ve played up a bit, and led an arguably wasted life and deflowered a few sweet young virgins that deserved better from me, but I didn’t think I’d been an evil person.”

    The horny devil grinned. “Look, you wouldn’t be happy in Heaven, it’s a dreadful place. Full of do-gooders with those ghastly beatific smiles, always telling you to ‘have a nice day’ and singing dreary hymns. It’s the tweed jacket and twin-set mob. The food’s crap too. God tells me he’s jealous because in Heaven he gets all the boring self-righteous creeps who’ve been bothering him all their lives asking for stuff. This is the place for a young bloke like you. For instance, take Mondays. D’you like a drink at all?”

    “Well, people always told me I drank too much.”

    “You’re gonna love Mondays. We have a huge pissup. Unlimited quantities of everything. There’s 43 different beers from around the world, the best wines, mostly from Australia, full range of spirits, liqueurs of every virulent hue. We stuff ourselves with good pizza and chocolate mud cake, and you even get a case of beer to take back to your room for a nightcap. It’s a blast. Everyone gets shit-faced and we laugh, and sing and dance all day. Tell me, do you smoke?”

    “Two packets a day since I was 15.”

    “Well you’re going to love Tuesdays. It’s our big smoko day. Australian, English, American, French, Turkish, we’ve got the lot. Foot-long Cuban cigars, hookahs, you name it, every taste is catered for, and you can’t get cancer and die ‘cos you’re already dead, OK?”

    The young fellow is starting to brighten up a bit, and asks, “So what about Wednesdays?”

    “Ah, well Wednesday is my personal favorite. Do you like a flutter? Good, you are just going to love Wednesdays – Wednesday is gambling day. We have everything down here. Horses, dogs, boxing organized by Don King, slot machines, roulette, baccarat, poker, keno, two-up, two flies on the wall, who’s got the biggest dick; shit, we just gamble on everything! And there’s normally plenty of grog and smokes left over from earlier in the week so it turns into the biggest party you’ve ever been to. And if you lose all your money it doesn’t matter because we refill your wallet for next week. Some of our folks get up at 5 in the morning so they don’t miss a minute! Now, did you ever do drugs?”

    “I guess you could say I got into bad company, and, yes, I have smoked a bit and snorted a bit, you know, just the usual.”

    “In that case you will get a big, big buzz out of Thursdays. After such a huge Wednesday, a lot of the folks like to take it easy and get in touch with themselves. So we have the best grass, hash, coke, smack, opium, LSD, the works, from all around the world. And you can’t get addicted and die ‘cos you’re already dead. Geddit? Hell is great! You will just love Thursdays!”

    By now the young fellow is getting positively excited about his after-life and asks the question that’s been bothering him. “So, what about sex?”

    “Yes, sex, knew you’d be interested. Well, Friday is our huge, horny, rampant wild-sex-all-day day! Now, you are gay aren’t you?”

    “Well, actually, no, I’m not at all gay, I’m absolutely straight.”

    “Ahh, you’re gonna hate Fridays.”

  206. OK – my last joke for the day – then off to see my ailing bro in Cleveland.

    An engineer dies and goes to hell. After a while, the engineer gets dissatisfied with the level of comfort in there and starts designing and building improvements. After a while, hell has air conditioning, flushing toilets, water fountains and escalators – making the engineer a pretty popular guy.

    One day God phones Satan up and asks with a sneer: “Hey buddy, how’s it goin down there in hell?”

    Satan snickered back, “Things are going great actually. We’ve got air conditioning, flush toilets, escalators and the works. Hell (no pun intended), there’s no telling what this engineer guy is gonna come up with next.”

    God replies, “What? You’ve got an engineer? That’s a mistake – he should never have gotten down there; send him back up.”

    To which Satan replied, “No way dude. I like having an engineer on staff, I’m keepin him.”

    God retorted, “Send him back up here or I’ll sue.”

    Satan laughs loudly and answers, “Yeah, right. And just where are you gonna find a lawyer?”

  207. I don’t see you Leftists dragging out Biden much anymore as expert at anything.

    I can’t speak for the expert part but otherwise Tex you’re not paying attention. Biden has been dispatched to lure in the disenchanted white male voter. He’s going big on the common man theme.

  208. Biden has been dispatched to lure in the disenchanted white male voter. He’s going big on the common man theme.

    Is this for real? 😀 I want to laugh, but it sounds like something Dimocraps are ignorant enough to do – trot out a Senator of damn near 40 years as one of the common man. Maybe it’s because Joe is so stupid, he sounds like a lush on the stump.

    Disenchanted while male, hey? You mean like Poolman? Turn out the lights, the party is over type? The self-identified rube?

    You see how fast that mongoloid Neanderthal backed down yesterday after correcting me about Jared Loughner and I ‘read’ to him what Loughner’s fellow band member said of him?

    The Poolman left tread marks back to Think Tank at Chatty’s.

  209. Why did no one mention “Its Summertime” by the Jamies? Its a good sort of do wop song.

    It must be true if the president said it. If you are having problems, its your fault. The private economy is fine.

  210. 😆 Tex, a “band member” from 2007 you ‘read’ was supposedly more up to speed than Loughner’s best friend ‘quoted’ in wiki?

    Is this when the pea split the pod. 🙄 Man up and admit you were wrong. .

  211. I swear the dude is driving. That is no computer effect.

    I got him to admit he only tells people who ask, “Are you driving” that. 😀

  212. Poolman, the bottom line question surrounding your Ron Paul video (the dude in the radio studio) is how many non-interventionist libertarians are there in Congress right now? How many are running? Paul’s combination of small government, sensible monetary policy AND limited foreign policy are really not duplicated by anyone else as far as I can see. So for now, the movement IS Paul. Assuming Mitt is elected in November, it’s just more of the same and Paul’s influence will be back to ZERO.

  213. Poolman,

    Loughner is you. From your link (what else would you use???)

    Government conspiracies, controlling people’s minds through grammar, 9/11 conspiracy theories, New World Order conspiracies, Jew hating Zionist blaming, insect drones in his back yard spying on him….

    (I made the last one up…)

    He even looks like I would imagine you look. Jawbone, that reads like your fire breathing twin brother separated at birth. You’re going to have to be more convincing than your insect predator drones and subliminal Simpsons to convince me I’m wrong, when the evidence says Loughner your genetic match.

  214. Seldom do I read one of Poolman’s links and I never watch his videos unless I’m sure I can use it to slap his face some more (the post about his sun health did give me a chuckle after he told us he bit the dust running some weeks back), but I do have to admit I found the T-Rex article funny for no other reason that this:

    Your name — and the name you want to give your child — says something about you.

    Jayden or Zooey with variable numbers of O’s: I desperately want my child to be hip and televised.

    Moon Unit: I’m Frank Zappa.

    Apple, Willow: I place too much confidence in celebrities.

    Adolf, Judas, Napoleon: I will make a terrible parent.

    Waldo, Thor: I think I’m one of those funny dads.

    Anakin, Galadriel, Frodo, Eddard: I’m not yet mature enough to have kids, nor, potentially, will I ever find a woman.

  215. Let me pose a hypothetical. Let’s assume that Ronald Reagan was finishing his second term right now and Mitt was the nominee for the fall election. How many of you would be excited? In other words, without the “anyone but Obama” philosophy at play, does Mitt really inspire you?

    Aren’t any of you embarrassed and even a bit apprehensive that if you win in November, the best you will have gotten is Mitt Romney?

    I have to tell you, even if I were a conservative, I’d be wary of Romney. I believe he will be a puppet for whatever the prevailing wind is next year. And I fear, with really bad short term memory, we will be right back to neo-con territory … belligerently “spreading democracy” around the globe.

  216. Rutherford, I have no idea how many non-interventionist libertarians are in Congress. I don’t follow politics as well as you guys do. I just know this surge has been coming for some time and is now coming of age. Folks are quite disgusted with politics and government. When it becomes as suffocating as it has become, it’s time to start dismantling it. Infiltrate to annihilate. It’s a common battle strategy.

  217. In other words, without the “anyone but Obama” philosophy at play, does Mitt really inspire you?

    George H. Bush followed Reagan. And he didn’t inspire me. But if you frame the question differently like, “Would you prefer George H. Bush to Obama?”., then your met with a chorus of Hell Yes and HOORAYS!

    Romney has run a great campaign so far. Every time OBozo attacks, Romney slams BOZO’s incompetent, feckless ass to the wall. That’s inspiring. Watching Obama lose would be greatly inspiring. Your question truthfully is as specious as this statement:

    And I fear, with really bad short term memory, we will be right back to neo-con territory … belligerently “spreading democracy” around the globe.

    What exactly do you call predator drone strikes where they blast women and children to bits standing or riding beside the jihadists?

    How’s that Obama policy of beating their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks campaign promise working for you these last three years, Mr Cheney Rutherford? Talk to anybody in Yemen or Pakistan recently?

  218. I don’t follow politics as well as you guys do.

    That’s because you can’t “link” to the answers. Poolman, you’re an empty suit like Obama. Your entire ammunition consists of googling the globe.

    And it explains why when something other than opinion discussed here where there is no clear answer and we get in our food fights, you high tail it back Chatty Think Tank to preen along with the other dullards.

    You humor me, Poolman. Really you do. I can cast stones at a sitting rock to ward off evil spirits like the Hajj when bored. But you basically don’t know shit from shinola, and the internet allows you to hide that fact. If you can’t link, you can’t find. If you can’t find, you can’t formulate. If you can formulate, you can’t fight.

    You should thank God you found the Chatty Kitchen. Kindred souls.

  219. Really Rutherford, I have to agree with the later half of Tex’s post in 293 . We haven’t left planet neo-con. It really has ramped on up, if anything has changed. The biggest difference I see is now it’s more globally sanctioned.

  220. You’re a funny guy, Tex. I link to offer validity to my claims. It’s an effort to show you and others that I don’t make shit up. It just amazes me how steadfastly stupid some of your notions are. Even in the face of fact, you can deny a blue sky.

    But I’ll keep chiseling. I like sculpting. It is one of the many talents I have been blessed with.

  221. I link to offer validity to my claims. It’s an effort to show you and others that I don’t make shit up.

    Stupid notions like finding insect drones in my backyard, believing in controlled demolitions, and the greatness of OWS…you belong in a carnival freak show as the talking head, Mongo.

    You link it because you don’t know shit. You have some opinion based on Gawd knows what, probably chatter you picked up on at Clatter Kitchen, then you type in a key word to find the subject and speak as ‘expert’ from that.

    It has nothing to do with making it up. You can link to some quantum physics site, Mongo. You think I’m going to confuse you with Max Planck? 🙄

  222. Alfie,

    Romney is growing on me. I really like his approach to this campaign so far. Don’t get cocky, but like the cut of his jib…

    I believe if Romney has intentions of fulfilling what he is promising, he could be that right man, at the right place, at the right time. His understanding of capitalism and private equity gives me a measure of hope.

    I don’t hold the social policy differences against Romney. Men can change and do.

  223. Ah, but it’s you who believes 2 commercial jets can take out 3 modern steel skyscrapers in a single day. 🙄 Quantum yokum hokum.

  224. @ Tex I think you hit a giant nugget o’ truth regards leaders when you say:
    …he could be that right man, at the right place, at the right time.
    FWIW I think he was the choice in 2008 and the choice now in ’12. Ironically he is not the favorite governor of my voting life.

  225. “How many of you would be excited? In other words, without the “anyone but Obama” philosophy at play, does Mitt really inspire you?”

    I’m with Tex and Alfie.

    What baffles me is how you an support Obama and pose that question with a straight face.

  226. To a certain extent, I don’t know of anyone that can stop the looming disaster. Obama was the worst man at the worst time to assume the presidency under these conditions. We need an Abraham Lincoln type figure within the next two decades. Economic hardship looms that is unimaginable for most Americans. Some poor soul will find themselves president during a global collapse. It will be impossible to judge this man for 50 years after the dust settles.

  227. @dead rabbit Hate to oversimplify it but on the other hand I like the visual.
    Do you think we’re looking at a Humpty Dumpty thing or a crashing fall that one lays there alive but wishing they were dead?

  228. Alphie, good question. I think there are many people from my camp who seem to enjoy masturbating to a post apocalyptic fantasy world. A failed world nullifying a failed man. I see no reason why an ordely transition to a new currency isn’t possible. I guess it’s up to us. Can we tolerate blantely living during a time when we look back to a more bountiful era? Can we give back entitlements? Can we fogo pensions? Can we be a happy people living lives with crushed expectations? I’m surrounded by people who I’m sure will die miserable if their tax payer funded pensions disappear. I tell you one thing. I will die thanking God for allowing me to live during these interesting days. I probably sound a little dramatic, but I’m raising my boys to be warriors. For the first time in American history we are in need of our childeren to be more virtuous and courageous then their fathers.

  229. Ah, but it’s you who believes 2 commercial jets can take out 3 modern steel skyscrapers in a single day.

    Yeah, me and about 99% of the rest of the world that watched it with our own eyes. But then I forget who I’m talking to – #OccupyMongoFail

  230. Got to admit, Mr. Rabbit. I have viewed this current fiasco from all sides with every tool I own – mainly trying to protect my family and our retirement.

    Considered everything from selling federal land to austerity measures and higher inflation.

    I don’t see a soft landing. And unless we take drastic cost cutting measures, which I believe must include military, I don’t even see us breaking even anytime soon.

  231. It’s just too much for foolman to take. He can’t wrap his mind around what he saw. It comforts him to no end blaming a simple murderous act on the All Seeing Eye. Complexity doesn’t make it hurt so bad for the cowardly cancer of a citizen. I would love to lance poolman like the boil he is to this country. So much crazy shit going on and this dumb motherfucker can do nothing more then spread tabloid filth.

  232. The folks who are getting the free stuff don’t like the folks who are paying for the free stuff, because the folks who are paying for the free stuff can no longer afford to pay for both the free stuff and their own stuff.

    And, the folks who are paying for the free stuff want the free stuff to stop.

    And the folks who are getting the free stuff want even more free stuff on top of the free stuff they are already getting!

    Now… the people who are forcing the people who pay for the free stuff have told the people who are RECEIVING the free stuff that the people who are PAYING for the free stuff are being mean, prejudiced, and racist.

    So… the people who are GETTING the free stuff have been convinced they need to hate the people who are paying for the free stuff by the people who are forcing some people to pay for their free stuff and giving them the free stuff in the first place. We have let the free stuff giving go on for so long that there are
    now more people getting free stuff than paying for the free stuff.

    Now understand this. All great democracies have committed financial suicide somewhere between 200 and 250 years after being founded.

    The reason?

    The voters figured out they could vote themselves money from the treasury by electing people who promised to give them money from the treasury in exchange for electing them.

    The United States officially became a Republic in 1776, 236 years ago. The number of people now getting free stuff outnumbers the people paying for the free stuff.

    We have one chance to change that in 2012. Failure to change that spells the end of the United States as we know it.
    ELECTION 2012 IS COMING

  233. Mongo is a tool and a pox on the nation. If he really had any stroke, I’d call him a boil on the ass of humanity. It goes with the territory of a Republican – freedom begets this idiot.

    As long as there’s not too many of these fools, we can ignore them without much peril, mock their stupidity, let him preen at Chatty Think Tank thinking he’s making a difference.

    Problem is, idiocy generally begets idiocy – and the result is exponential.

  234. Fucked up thing is the people paying for most of the free stuff won’t be born for another decade.

  235. There ain’t any free stuff. It all comes at a price. This world is give and take. Always has been, always will be.

    Some folks don’t ever get that, and will always take the bait. After they relieve you of everything else, they’ll go after your flesh.

  236. A couple of points before I retire for the evening.

    1) Point taken about Obama being a neo-con of sorts. So let me rephrase. I picture Romney doubling down. I don’t see war with Iran under Obama. I do see it under Romney. I don’t see Obama pissing off Russia and China. I do see that under Romney.

    2) This business of those who pay for free stuff and those who get it is a false paradigm invented to comfort those who both pay for and GET the free stuff. This Republic of ours hands out benefits to EVERYBODY. An interstate highway system was not built by Noah’s ancestors just deciding to do it. It was the government (under Eisenhower I believe) taking the initiative. So as far as I’m concerned all you guys with your delusions of complete self sufficiency are just arrogant f*cks. No man is an island and the difference between America and other countries is that the government is there to give a helping hand to supplement the help that the local community can give.

    3) Regarding Romney … the man said “I stand by what I said, whatever it was.” You take that seriously?

    Tex, where are all these smack-downs of Obama by Romney? Post them. I haven’t seen a single effective one.

    I asked a hypothetical and you all reverted back to “anyone but Obama” completely violating the terms of the hypothetical. Quite frankly Tex, George H.W. Bush was infinitely better qualified to be POTUS than Mitt Romney.

    I think it’s sad that your hatred of our current President so blinds you that you’re not shaking your head in disbelief about the man you’re trying to get into the White House.

  237. The poolman is the cause and concern for all the world’s problems.
    The poolman makes up fantastic tales of evil lords ruling over the people.
    The poolman is the obstinate child that refuses discipline and sings off key.
    The poolman rains on your parade and double dips his chip at your reception.
    The poolman cuts the limbs from the tree of liberty and leeches its sap.
    The poolman sets the snares that entrap the furry friends of the forest.
    The poolman spoils the story by giving away the twisted ending.
    The poolman exposes Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny as frauds.

    Excuse me while I plot more evil deeds…

    👿 Buwahahahahahahahaahahaaahahahah :evil:.

  238. Rutherford, what’s arrogant is spending money we don’t have and never will. It’s really that simple. Nobody is claiming we shouldn’t have the highway, douche. Dude, do you really not see what’s happening in front of your very eyes?

  239. Toddler Rabbit at 5 am, balling his eyes out: “I’m scared”.
    Tired ass dead rabbit, surprisingly mildly hung over: “What are you scared of?”
    Sobbing Todler Rabbit: ” Monster”
    Dead Rabbit: “I’ll take that monster and throw him in a tree by his tail. Climb up the tree, throw him back down into a pile of dog poop and dump a bowl of cheerios on his head”.
    Todler Rabbit pauses, thinks very hard and starts cracking up with hilerious laughter.

    It was funny as hell to see him “get a joke” and see the weird look on his face when “monster” gets his balls busted. It was as if he never considered the possibility.

  240. R, your question was answered if you were paying attention. Enthusiasm requires context. Great leaders are born of their time and circumstance. In other words, “what if there were no Obama” is really just a rhetorical device.

    Alfie asked how deep you want to go.

    What don’t you get?

    I still think it’s funny you think you’ve got something when you already said there ain’t much about Obama worth crowing about, you just prefer his direction (to paraphrase).

    Yay Obama! Hope & Change! Yes We Can!

    The left really needs that hero worship shit doesn’t it? Not just admiration; superhuman, cult of personality shit.

    So nope. Not just a hate of Obama. A hate of the direction things have taken and the stupidity of the entire left.

  241. You are fucked if you ever run into the abominable snow man. He has the potential to rip a man’s head off and bowl it down a ski hill.

  242. Rutherford as noted by ET I asked how deep you want to go. That was a courtesy and still stands.
    Two things Mitt-specific though since you brought them up.
    I don’t see war with Iran under Obama. I do see it under Romney.
    Well you need to get your specs cleaned. Any combat with Iran will require Irans willing participation. I for one don’t think they’ll go there but much like the days of the hostages tempo and consistency of message is crucial. Either candidate could find peace or war with Iran or just plain ole status quo.
    I don’t see Obama pissing off Russia and China. I do see that under Romney.
    Well for starters look again ‘cuz Barry has done both all ready and regardless of the Oval occupant the stage has been set for the future confrontation in the South China Sea. Both Russia and China need the tougher stance Romney offers and so does America (and the rest of the world)

  243. As far as the clip….I’m so sick and tired of seeing that fucking thing without a statement by the embedder as to what they’re point is or problem with Mitt is.
    Sorry buddy but the camel screams ouch and it falls on you. What is your point?

  244. Point taken about Obama being a neo-con of sorts. So let me rephrase. I picture Romney doubling down

    Based on what in his past that would back this assertion?

    Re 2). The point is kiddo we have more taking than giving. How do you perceive this as being sustainable?

    So as far as I’m concerned all you guys with your delusions of complete self sufficiency are just arrogant f*cks.

    No you are a city raised Leftist who cannot imagine life without the government doing the work a real man should be doing. Don’t project your failing on the rest of us. Pull the dam government tit out of your mouth and go earn your families respect.

    I think it’s sad that your hatred of our current President so blinds you that you’re not shaking your head in disbelief about the man you’re trying to get into the White House.

    Hate has nothing to do with it. America is coming to the conclusion this is an ineffective, incompetent President. He had 2 years of control of the White House and Congress, so he has no excuses. Many other Presidents have done far more with much less.

    End of the day, we all know if Obama is reelected, spending will increase dramatically. Explain to me how we can sustain another 4 years of increased spending.

  245. Rutherford, 290 has no point without our knowing whom Mitt was running against. Give us some hypothetical Democrats to give your question context.

    In the context of today, I will feel happy and proud If Mitt wins. I am not a conservative, so if he ventures into the center, it is fine with me. If he is a pupped of capitalists, Mitt is better for our country than a socialist who commands his own ship.

    Obama, through his record and past associations is a socialist. His impromptu misstatement about our economy was close to his real beliefs, in my opinion. Obama equates private jobs with public employment. Public jobs were the focus of his failed stimulus law. His rescue of General Motors gave more help to labor unions than it did to investors and anciliary businesses.

    Therefore, Obama spoke the truth as he saw it. The private sector is producing a few jobs while governments are losing more employees.The most important jobs are purchased by the tax payers.

    Obama told Charlie Gibson that though raising capital gains taxes would not bring in more revenue, it was fairer.

    He is a socialist, and maybe a fascist, if one follows the definition of government control while permitting private ownership.

    I also think we SHOULD be spreading Democracy across the globe.Beligerance Is not the way to do it, of course. Creating tools such as FaceBook, YouTube, and blogs to let people communicate independently of government and establishment news sources. We sell our economy and culture through Jessica Simpson and “I Know What You Did Last Summer” Democracy is one of our products.

    Your case against Mitt is weak and buttressed by assumptions. Obama has a record.

  246. 326, I agree with Alfie. China and Russia are our potential enemies. it is in our interest to earn their respect and a little fear of what we might do. Accomodation is a two way street.

    “I stand by what I said, whatever it was’ sounds silly, but by extension of your point, how can we take a man who thanked himself for visiting the White House, who in effect blamed ten thousand tornado deaths (actually only a few) in Kansas on the war in Iraq, and who traversed all 57 states? Please answer my question,

    The left is a minority in this country, and they don’t realize it yet.

    Thanks for sharing your story, dead rabbit. Another reason to avoid abominable snow men is they have bad breath.

  247. 319, Poolman, I think selling anti-zombie bullets is a great idea as long as they aren’t over- priced and actually kill zombies, elves, or deer. If those companies make money, they pay taxes and keep their employees who also pay taxes and can afford to eat out or go to movies.

    Capitalism is a wonderful system. It has its faults but it improves lives for the greatest number of people.

  248. The right sure has their demigods. One Ronnie Reagan comes to mind. Infallible, in a select-memory-rear-view-mirror-sort-of-way.

    The sanctions against Iran IS the first act of war. When you put a choke hold on somebody, it’s normal to want to fight back against the grip. As big bully of the world, we have acted in aggression.

    It’s the same with our war on terror. We terrorize the locals and they are just standing up to us because we kill their brothers and sister, moms, dads and kids. We are the bully on the playground with all the latest toys and gizmos.

    Our kids are rebelling for being the tolls of the bully. The latest 2012 statistics showed 154 suicides in 155 days for our active forces. More killed by their own hand than in battle so far this year. And these are the volunteer forces.

  249. Sobbing Todler Rabbit: ” Monster”

    Great story Rabbit. Now I’m waiting for the sequel in which Rabbit asks Todler “What are you afraid of?” and we get this:

    Sobbing Todler Rabbit: ” Obama”

  250. Sorry buddy but the camel screams ouch and it falls on you. What is your point?

    Alfie the point is that Romney says whatever is expedient at the moment, so much so that he doesn’t even keep track of what he’s said. But he assures us that whatever he said …. he meant it.

  251. Capitalism is a wonderful system. It has its faults but it improves lives for the greatest number of people.

    At a great expense of many, many others, I’m afraid. It has polluted numerous lands, rivers, aquifers, lakes, and neighborhoods.

    Like I said, everything in this world is give and take. For every “improvement” there is and equal and opposite detriment.

  252. Quite frankly Tex, George H.W. Bush was infinitely better qualified to be POTUS than Mitt Romney.

    I would be willing to stake my life that 24 years ago, one younger Mr. Rutherford Lawson was asking, “What is it about George Bush that inspires you, besides your hatred of Michael Dukakis? Ronald Reagan has been a terrible President with his voodoo economics, the USSR is no threat, and we’ll probably be at war in the Middle East again. With Dukakis, I see a big rebound in our economy and no war.”

    The smack downs are daily. Romney did it again yesterday with his legitimate question, “Is this man that far out of touch with reality?” YESSSSS! I find him well spoken, accomplished, an outstanding person with morals Obama does not understand, nor care to address.

    But if you need one in a Q&A, here. And you’ll note, as hard as your corrupt media tries to pin him, he handles himself quite capably.

    I think it’s sad that your hatred of our current President so blinds you that you’re not shaking your head in disbelief about the man you’re trying to get into the White House.

    I don’t hate Obama. I find him grossly incompetent, dishonest, of marginal intelligence, divisive, naive, hopelessly over his head, arrogant, pretentious, duplicitous, a liar, Muslim sympathizer, and dangerous megalomaniac. I see his cabinet as worse. I find Obama’s record one of complete and utter failure. I think he’s the worst President in U.S. history.

    Mitt Romney and his business experience is so far separated in talent and accomplishment from community activist, that alone makes Romney appealing to me.

    God willing, Gov. Mitt Romney will be called Pres. Mitt Romney and we can put this three years of sordid history and the buffoonish President and staff to bed. They can only be called an EPIC fail.

  253. True Christians should be anarchists. I’ve come to know that, but it isn’t often a shared knowledge in the modern church. We also think anarchists are violent and destructive. Some truly are. The only destruction we, as Christians, should call for are the systems and mindsets that suppress and MANipulate™ the peoples of this world.

    This article lines it out quite well, I think.

    http://www.newleftproject.org/index.php/site/article_comments/should_christians_be_anarchists

  254. At a great expense of many, many others, I’m afraid. It has polluted numerous lands, rivers, aquifers, lakes, and neighborhoods.

    But chlorinated water being dumped into our sewer systems and leaking in to the water table from millions of pools – why that’s good for the environment? So is wasting billions of gallons of precious drinking water for the sake of polluting our rivers, aquifers, lakes, and neighborhoods, all for the sake of pampering?

    In fact, I can’t think offhand one activity that has wasted more natural resource for the sole benefit of being entertained providing a living to thousands of no worth to the aggregate society, that has introduced more alkaline and acidic waste water into our environment, than the construction of worthless pools constructed in a desert starved for water.

    Even green lawns provide some benefit. Pools, a huge net loss, evaporating and probably polluting our very atmosphere.

    Therefore Poolman, I would suggest there in nobody on this board that has contributed more damage to our natural environment, more wasted resource, and more death and destruction to the earth than you and yours.

    If you had any scruples at all, you would immediately divest yourself of your assets and give them to our government for the insidious damage your business has caused to our society’s well being, to be divvied up amongst those you have killed for the sake of living large.

  255. Obviously, Tex, you have little knowledge of swimming pools, or for that matter, water treatment facilities and techniques. But then, you’ve expressed your ignorance of the matter several times in as many posts. I know it’s your attempt to “dig” at me, but the oil industry you were a part (and still a beneficiary) of has done much, much more to harm the planet.

    The all common soft water and reverse osmosis drinking systems waste more water than any swimming vessel has and does.

  256. I have enough knowledge to know on a cost/benefit analysis, there is nothing that wastes more valuable natural resource than pools, creating dangerous algae, fungus and bacteria, pouring millions of particle of life threatening sulfates and carbonates into our waste water.

    I have enough knowledge to know that our very most important natural resource required for all life – potable drinking water is being wasted to the tune of billions of gallons a day through evaporation and waste – generally in areas deprived of natural resource like Phoenix, AZ.

    I have enough knowledge that if you are going to be honest, you should immediately forgo all uses of fossil fuels and dig your holes with a shovel if you believe that fossil fuels a net detriment.

    And I’m perceptive enough to read a major hypocrite and call him on not only his hypocrisy, but fundamental stupidity about anything of importance.

    So turn in your vehicle, turn of your A/C, forgo the grocery store, divest your assets as penance for egregious sins against Mother Earth, and get back to me when finished, where I will acknowledge your outstanding contribution.

  257. You know what I admire most about your skill set, Poolman. That is, besides your mathematical skills and the ability to see beyond the three dimensional?

    It’s your profound knowledge of organic chemistry, learned from the swimming pool marketing pamphlets laying around the office. 😉

  258. Capitalism isn’t fair. It is an impersonal economic system which hurts some while allowing the greatest number of people to do well. Of course, unfettered capitalism like any other form of economics is toxic. Capitalism also enhances personal freedom.

    Estonia and Finland are imperfect examples of the pernicious effects of socialism. Both countries are ethnically and culturally similar. In 1939, their economies and living standards were virtually identical.

    Now, after a history of communism v socialistic capitalism, Finland has a much larger economy, and wages are higher in spit of Estonia’s recent economic progress.

    Had the Soviet Union been capitalist, they might have won the cold war. China and Indian have become so economically powerful because they have grafted capitalism onto their socialist-communistic economies.

    Reagan was not infalible. We in agriculture endured some of our hardest times since the Great Depression. John Melencamp’s “Blood on the Plow” describes it pretty well.

    I agree, a sanction against Iran is the first act of war. Its better than an invasion. How many people do you think will die if Iran builds nuclear weapons and distributes them to terrorists or their own agents?

    We are not the bully on the playground, we are protecting ourselves from people who try to kill us. Though we attempt more than any other nation to avoid it, we sometimes kill innocents. Each time, it is a horrible tragedy, but this is war. If those people don’t want us to kill their relatives let them stop killing us and their other enemies.

    Jihadists, not our people, used air planes to incinerate our and other citizens. They started it because our support of Israel offended them.

    Yes, it is a tragedy that so many soldiers and veterans kill themselves That is different issue on whether or not we should be defending ourselves from terrorists.

    I’m not sure about anarchists. If you mean true Christians need to think for themselves and aquire the power of knowledge to avoid the tyrany of manupolation, I can agree. Pure anarchy fails because nothing can be done if everyone is following a different course.

  259. Obama Girl Turns on President, Slams Him in New Video-Mazilla Firefox linked on News Max is funny whether or not you support the President.It’s titled “Glease.” None of you will probably look for it. It is your loss.

  260. Just make sure you keep digging with shovel in hand. No motorized equipment of any type, because almost all are driven directly or indirectly by evil fossil fuels. Any motorized equipment is killing Gaia and a “detriment.”

    It wouldn’t hurt you to market to the rest of the pool diggers your concerns either. I’m sure the employed ones will line up behind you, after they get over the bewilderment of your concerns – and magnanimity of your leadership. 😉

  261. Inspired? Not particularly. If Romney wins I’ll feel pretty much the same way I felt when Walker won.

    Happy.

    The Obama we got is nothing like the Obama we thought we were getting. Maybe your guesses about a Romney presidency won’t pan out either, Rutherford. No question that the stakes are high though.

    ”…you take that seriously?”

    No. You do.

    ”…delusions of complete self sufficiency…”

    I don’t believe that the situation we’re in is merely an intellectual argument over ideologies or economic theories. I believe we have to cut back while there is still time. Sorry that the music stopped on Obama. Every president inherits the past, not just him. Sometimes the past helps you kill a bad guy and sometimes the past means a sacrifice fly so your team advances. Sucks for the star. He is the wrong guy at the wrong time, like the Rabbit says. In fact I agree with #306 so much I feel like pinning it to the fridge.

    We need a Lincoln. Obama isn’t one. Maybe Romney isn’t either, but as sure as I’m sitting here I know that Obama is not that guy.

  262. The last two remarks of mine in #348 refer to the Romney clip and Rutherford equating infrastructure with entitlements respectively. Sorry for any confusion.

  263. “You are fucked if you ever run into the abominable snow man. He has the potential to rip a man’s head off and bowl it down a ski hill.”

    Yeah. I was worried I had written a check I couldn’t cash. 😆

  264. Rutherford earlier wrote he read that Wisconsin Lieutenant Governor was a nut. Maybe she is. I don’t know. However, “The Eye Popping Wisconsin Story You Didn’t Read” enlightens us. Kleefisch was a newscaster who quit to raise two children.

    She became fed up with the Wisconsin government, so she announced her candidacy from her kitchen in 2010 She was diagnosed with colon cancer in the middle of her campaign and underwent surgery. She had chemotherapy during the recall.

    A leftist radio host accused her of performing a sex act on all of the talk show hosts in Milwaukee and he claimed she was good at “pulling trains.”

    The labor unions and Democrats who represented them knew they were in a life or death battle for survival, and they did all they could to win.

    I agree with Muffy. This is not an intellectual excercise As the labor unions and Republicans did, we are two ideologies battling for supremacy. It is a quiet war for the future of our society.

    Thanks for posting that Tex. I didn’t think anyone would bother to look.

  265. Ironic. Obama is proof that what R refers to as “enthusiasm” is no measure of effective leadership.

    I think the question r poses is one that should be pondered and addressed by R first.

  266. Obama is proof that what R refers to as “enthusiasm” is no measure of effective leadership.

    Excellent point. That point probably won’t fully register with Rutherford, but your point is not only legitimate, but timely for the discussion at hand. Looking back, I wonder if Rutherford has confused inspiration with infatuation too. It was this “inspiration” that made me aghast in 2008 – frankly, it was actually frightening to see how easily masses could be swayed by empty rhetoric. Slow the seas, convince despots of the errors through discussion, standing in front of Greek columns? I was shocked at how gullible and naive much of America was and still is.

    So many of these liberals were so ready to be deceived by a smooth talker, empty promises or not, they became willing participants to being duped – and Obama perfectly fit their bill; color, cool and platitudes as he demagogued each issue. Obama was so clearly a charlatan and narcissist, I thought for sure people would catch on. They never did, and millions still haven’t. The writing was clearly on the wall Obama not qualified and a really bad egg – but you couldn’t convince the Left of that.

    I think the question r poses is one that should be pondered and addressed by R first.

    Sometimes I wonder if these questions are one that “R” has pondered and arrived at a false conclusion that they don’t apply to him, couldn’t apply to him. Surely Obama’s brilliance just isn’t appreciated by us serfs.

    Or, R believes the highest quality of a President is to inspire, but not deliver. R refuses to believe he’s been hoodwinked and that Obama is clearly not qualified to be President, thought the results clearly show Obama’s promises vis-a-vis his results virtually opposed.

  267. “Or, R believes the highest quality of a President is to inspire, but not deliver.”

    I’m afraid it’s just that shallow.

    Th problems is, where does that leave R in 2012?

    Methinks looking for validation in questions like the one he just asked — without thinking too hard about what the answer really means.

  268. So turn in your vehicle, turn of your A/C, forgo the grocery store, divest your assets as penance for egregious sins against Mother Earth, and get back to me when finished, where I will acknowledge your outstanding contribution.

    Am taking your sage advice and adjusting my career path. You will not only acknowledge, but may even be my outstanding contribution. 😉

  269. Though we attempt more than any other nation to avoid it, we sometimes kill innocents.

    I believe Switzerland has a better track record with this than we do.

  270. You will not only acknowledge, but may even be my outstanding contribution.

    Unfortunately, it will prove as futile as the rest of your life. I just want to know when you’re turning off the backhoe, car, the air conditioner, the fridge, and the lights, and getting out of that filthy, polluting pool business that is killing millions of poison and thirst.

    How about it, Mongo?

    P.S. – Nice Gravatar. How long did you work on that piece? That is definitely the most impressive thing I’ve seen you create here yet. I’m flattered.

  271. Ouch. Look what I dug up. I wonder if any of this will stain Mitt?

    I almost fell off the barstool when I read that it was Bain Capital (Mitt Romney, former CEO), that told oil giant BP it was a good idea to cut costs. The cuts would lead to death, mayhem and the destruction of the Gulf Coast (not to mention BP’s poisoning of Alaska, Africa, Central Asia and Colombia).

    In 2007, after BP’s criminal negligence and penny-pinching led to the explosion at the BP oil refinery on the Gulf Coast, in Texas City, Texas, the company brought in industry pooh-bah James Baker, their lawyer and former Secretary of State, to write a report. Baker is Big Oil’s BFF, but in this case, he was horrified, and told BP to get its act together and spend some real money on operating safety.

    BP didn’t like Baker’s recommendation nor did it like another report by its own consulting firm, Booz Allen Hamilton which advised the company to …get its act together and spend money on safety.

    When two respected industry voices agree that you’d better start spending and thinking while you’re operating in a deadly business, a corporation’s CEO has only one choice: find a consulting house of ill repute to contradict the others and tell you what you want to hear.

    That’s what BP’s CEO Tony Hayward did. In 2008, he hired Bain Capital to say the company would be better managed if it spent less money. Bain used consulting BS terms like reducing “complexity,” but it all meant the same thing: cut, cut, cut.

    After all, Bain’s motto is, “We like to fire people.” The oil company then fired 5,000 employees in response to the Bain report.

    To hell with safety.

    BP read Bain’s recommendations as the green light to chop funding. Of course, it was all done with Hayward’s PR pronouncement that the company would now “focus like a laser on safety”. (A laser, I’d note, is a thin beam surrounded by darkness.)

    BP’s Bain-blessed, deadly, insouciant cost-cutting was the deadly habit that federal regulators identified as a cause of the Deepwater Horizon blow-out.

    That’s just one of the ill-making stories in Magner’s book which takes you through BP’s poisonous history before, during and after the 2010 Deepwater Horizon blow-out.

    Much of Magner’s opus centers on the Texas City refinery explosion that was a loud, flaming warning about allowing BP to play with matches and oilrigs. He begins and ends with the story of another refinery, Amoco’s long-closed plant at Neodesha, Kansas.

    At first, that sounds weird for a book about BP––but it’s an exceptionally important tale, explaining how the industry hits and runs. Amoco closed its refinery decades ago, took off and left the toxins there. It takes years for toxins to kill, and Amoco’s poisons killed Lucille Campbell’s baby in 1963. And it takes more years to figure that out, which Lucille did in 1999, after BP bought Amoco.

    Lucille continues to this day to fight to stop the rash of cancers and poisonings still caused by BP’s dump. The oil company has done the honorable thing: it’s gone after Lucille and her little township, attempting to smear, discredit and bankrupt her and the company’s victims.

    Lucille’s fight against the petro-saur corporation is the big story of the book that you should read––in fact, that you should memorize.

    http://www.gregpalast.com/how-bain-capital-helped-bpblow-up-the-deepwater-horizon/

  272. I accept being reactionary here but when folks glibly toss out stuff like:

    I believe Switzerland has a better track record with this than we do.

    I really do burst a gasket
    Rutherford I appreciate you take a lot of heat on your threads and I fully appreciate your more a domestic policy guy BUT I’m begging you to not to toss chum like 356 in the pond….k?

  273. Alfie, that is where maggots reside. Poolman never leaves the shit.

    The Poolman is burnt because Romney busts the balls of Poolman’s beloved, failed unions.

  274. As the Executive branch can really do very little by its lonesome, one of the key responsibilities of the office is to inspire. If we take a POTUS that few liberals liked, George W. Bush, and we ask what was his finest moment, the answer without hesitation is when he stood on the Ground Zero rubble and said “The people who did this will hear us soon.” That was pure inspiration, not action. To some degree, his ACTIONS sucked. But I will never take away from him that moment when he tried to give solace to a grieving nation.

    When the Challenger blew up and Ronald Reagan quoted a poem that said that the astronauts slipped the surly bonds of Earth and touched the face of God, I sat in traffic crying my eyes out. Yes … Reagan who I did not vote for, brought me to tears.

    So this business of discounting the lofty rhetoric of a POTUS is disingenuous at best, cynical at worst. I DO want Romney to inspire me. And he doesn’t. He is a CEO, not a seasoned politician, despite having been in politics for decades. And I don’t dislike the man. I worked in corp America and I can easily picture Mitt as my boss. In that context, I rather like him. He’s decent, he’s respectful and he tries hard to be warm (although he fails miserably). Boss fine, POTUS, no.

  275. Noah asks what in Mitt’s background leads me to believe he would start a war with Iran. I don’t need background … I can judge what has come out of his mouth during the primaries. He said, and this is almost a verbatim quote, “If Obama is President, Iran will have a bomb. If am President, they won’t.” Now what exactly beyond the sanctions already in place does Mitt plan to do? Sounds like a threat of war to me.

    And with Iran’s saber rattling and Yemen’s toxic terrorist crop, Mitt calls Russia our number one enemy? How long has the Cold War been over?

  276. Which lofty rhetoric has Obama inspired you, Rutherford? Was it We Are The Ones? Bitter Clingers? Yes we Can? How about a shout out to CORPSEMAN? The Private Sector is Doing Just Fine? The Rise of the Seas begins to Slow?

    If Reagan had sunk the economy while expressing touching the face of God, I doubt he would go down as inspirational.

  277. James, the reason I didn’t pose a hypothetical opponent to Romney in my hypothetical question is because I believe what motivates the hard-swallow acceptance of Romney is the disenchantment (to put it mildly) with Obama. So, I wanted to pull Obama out of the equation and then see how Romney looks in a vacuum. Or to put it differently, if you read his resume and then interviewed him, would he get the job?

    As far as answering my own question, I know no one believes me but if Ron Paul, Buddy Roemer, Chris Christie or even Jeb Bush were running against Obama in November, I’d have to do some soul searching before pulling the lever. In fact, the more I see of Jeb Bush the more I know the wrong Bush boy was made POTUS.

  278. Alfie, Bain IS the “experience” he’s vested in. Whether he still profits financially or not.

    Ain’t gonna bite on the old Cheney/Halliburton spin.

  279. I know no one believes me but if Ron Paul, Buddy Roemer, Chris Christie or even Jeb Bush were running against Obama in November, I’d have to do some soul searching food before pulling the lever FOR OBAMA.

    You’re right. I find that terribly hard to believe. 🙂

  280. I really do burst a gasket

    Alfie, I realized it was simplistic when I wrote it. I was simply referring to Switzerland’s tradition of neutrality.

  281. @365 they don’t have sabers,they have scimitars,get hip will ya?
    Otherwise your counter is good but incomplete. First it begs for answer what inspiration has been on offer of late? Second you continue to present an image of someone without an appreciation for nuance and all the lovely ala carter avail in diplomacy. Sometimes a change of actors is key.

  282. Which lofty rhetoric has Obama inspired you, Rutherford?

    I’ll offer just one nugget: “There is no blue America, there is no red America. We are the United States of America”.

  283. I’ll offer just one nugget: “There is no blue America, there is no red America. We are the United States of America”.

    Even if there has never been a more divisive President in the history of the Republic, hey? Because Bomba is busily making sure there are Blue Americans and Red Americans, even counting on it to stay competitive. Hollywood vs. the Bitter Clingers.

    What good is inspirational rhetoric, when your actions don’t meet your lofty words?

    That used to be called duplicity. Now they call it progressivism.

  284. World War III will definitely end the recession.

    No, actually it wouldn’t. Now if we could decimate Russia, China, Japan, Europe, Australia, and Canada, you betcha.

  285. This 16 minutes is worth watching. I was pissed at Chris Hayes for cutting the debate short because this is the very debate that needs a couple of hours of elaboration so everyone understands the issues at hand. Peter Schiff architected Ron Paul’s economic policy and Karl Smith is an economist from UNC, Chapel Hill.

    The fact that we can have intelligent men come to diametrically opposed opinions on how to get out of this mess I find quite scary. Each man believes what he says is true.

    I struggle to understand this debate …. I end up feeling the situation is quite hopeless.

  286. I’d have to do some soul searching food before pulling the lever FOR OBAMA.

    I hate it when you make me laugh while you’re being an a$$hole. 😆

  287. I’m glad you reposted the video, because I missed the link to how it was made. Wouldn’t it be nice if both campagnes spent some of their money on dueling humorous videos?

    356 Apples and oranges.

    The Swiss have a modern army, and I think they have a universal draft. You’d have to check to be sure.They occupy a geographical enclave in the mountains. More importantly, they are neutral, and they hide other people’s money.

    Look back in history. The Swiss were pretty good with a pike.

    If we behaved like the Swiss, we would be dismembered.
    A better comparison would be with China, Russia, Iraq, or some other non-neutral country.

    I now understand why you invented no opponent for Romney, but that left people like me out of the hypothesis. I like the moderate Romney better than his conservative side. He is smart, and he knows fiance, so I would choose him over Bush the Younger, John McCain, or some other Republicans. I would hire him if he was interviewing for a job, but he would be on probation.

    My top pick would be Bill Clinton if he wasn’t a sexual predator and intellectually lazy.

    I agree, Jeb Bush was the smartest of the lot. The others are good men too, but I’m not sure they are ready to be president.

  288. 367 Russia and the United States are much alike. They both want to dominate the world. We almost had a war after Khrushev thought Kennedy was a weakling. Russians thinking our leaders are pushovers is dangerous.

    Lofty words are fine and inspiring, but they need back up. I think Obama wants to turn us into a European state. Most of his life prepared him for transformation. Our problem is we didn’t realize the sort of transformation he wanted.

    The Russian missile test is another reason to vote for Romney isn’t it?

  289. Pools spin it however you want. Your original comment is linked to the new meme to tie Romney to a great negative.
    Romney was not part of the Bain/BP relationship. Bain was not tapped for technical advice nor were they tapped to teach BP to cut corners,BP history prior to Bain indicates they needed no such counsel. Bain in fact was tapped to make BP leaner and efficient so as to actually prevent Deepwater type stuff from happening. You and the haters,the column of duh, have no interest in the truth.

  290. 😆 Who is Karl Smith? Some assistant professor of economics? 😆 What a wash out. This is why universities are putting out brain dead students who worship Obama. The lady from Wharton should know better – she was still talking about Government and the Fed fixing it. They’re the ones that created the problem to begin with.

    Peter Schiff called both the real estate bubble and tech bubble and made about a zillion while doing so.

    So who are you going to believe, Rutherford? I make a lot of fun of Ron Paul and Poolman…but in this case, Paul is one of the few who do get it.

    Why do you think guys like Tigre, Rabbit, Pfesser, and myself are screaming? We do understand what is coming. 2008 is going to look like a pillow fight if we don’t turn this ship around.

    P.S. – we’ve already had inflation in staples. Bought a gallon of milk lately? Or basic commodity food?

  291. Rutherford be thankful you live in a country that can “afford” the luxury of diametrically opposed dialogue. We have a simple choice in November ,two roads. We need to fight off our inner Frost and not just think about the one less travelled,we need to actually head down the path and to the best chance we have for our future.

  292. I agree with Alfie. Obama told Putin to be patient. He would be able to do more to accomidate Russia after the election. That applies to Obama’s domestic plans too. Obama’s administration is already putting coal fueled power plants out of business, and he will institute cap and trade through fiat. Taxamegon is coming. He wants Congress to pass the Freedom of the Sea Act. I don’t remember the exact title.

    Obama and his allies’ record is a fact. Why do you think Obama would change in a second term.? Give us some documentation to prove he will behave differently than he has. Generalities are fine, but I would like to read specifics. You should be thinking of details, because the next election is too important for gauzy hope, change, and pretty words.

  293. 365 was a fine bit of cherry picking. I appreciate it. Seems my assessment of you was spot on.

    Could you then, if you are able, fill me on on why you think we are better off with a nuclear Iran?

  294. On Russia. If I were to play Devils Advocate as I sometimes like too I could say something along the lines of

    Of course Russia is testing new missiles,we’re working on missile defense and won’t let them in on it.

    Thing is though I think that is one of those logic bombs. Sounds good but goes off in your own hands too often. How so in this matter?
    The recent missile test is directly tied to an upgrade of a missile that runs an end run around the START II and “New START” treaty. Also the launch came from Russia but landed in former/future vassal Kazakhstan. A nation the US has courted for obvious reasons. Well Putin has upped the ante with a co-op signing of a slew of agreements and reignited the past Soviet military relationship model.
    The USA is losing the battle in the former ‘stans,perhaps not so crucial given the pending departure from Afghanistan but I’m a pessimist and think it isn’t good at all.

  295. Yes, Spain needs a bail out. Who’s is next?

    Putin wants to recreate the Soviet Empire. Who is to say we won’t need cooperation from the Stans again soon for a reason other than Afghanistan?

    Russia is also pressuring eastern European countries such as Ukraine and Estonia.

    No liberal here has addressed these potential threats with anything other than the US is a bully, the Republicans did this or that, or the threat was miss -stated. We want specific answers without the general non-answers we have been getting.

    If you don’t know, why would you vote for more of the same?

  296. The Russian missile test is another reason to vote for Romney isn’t it?

    Not necessarily. Obama’s record of protecting America is at least as good as Bush’s if we start counting on September 12, 2001. It’s been decades since we have talked belligerently about Russia. That’s why Romney’s comment about them was so jarring. The last thing we need is a new cold war with Russia. That could well happen under Romney.

  297. Who is Karl Smith? etc etc

    For starters, for the uninitiated who the hell is Peter Schiff? Karl as you noted is an economist. Peter is a financier pretending to be an economist. (According to Wiki, Peter’s daddy went to jail for tax evasion.)

    Next, you let your prejudices get in your way (as usual) and assumed Smith a liberal. He is self-described center-right. I can verify this from his previous appearance on Chris Hayes’ show where he was in opposition to the liberals on the panel. And if you bothered to listen to him, you would have heard him say that many right leaning economists believe the Fed can do more but they don’t have the guts to say it in this political climate.

    Now, with that out of the way, I’m not advocating for either Smith nor Schiff. As I said, I’m struggling with the debate and I was annoyed that Hayes gave it such short shrift because a longer debate might have made matters clearer for me.

    Finally …. again you didn’t bother to actually watch the video carefully, Smith CORRECTED Schiff and told HIM that inflation was already here. So Smith and you are in agreement on that.

  298. When no one is spending enough to stimulate the economy, the last bastion of spending … the “customer of last resort” is the government. You guys want the government to stop spending. That brings the economy to a dead stop.

  299. Noah there was no cherry picking in 365. On the contrary that fruit hung so low it smacked you in the head, begging to be plucked. Are you suggesting we should not judge Romney by what he says?

    A nuclear Iran is a terrible idea. But here’s an inconvenient truth for you Noah. Iran making a bomb is in dispute. The last time we went off half cocked to prevent weapons of mass destruction we ended up in a costly, bordering on criminal, ten year war with Iraq. I can hear you now Noah: “Yes Mum, can I have another?”

  300. BTW the Facebook link was beyond ignorant. Are we really going to compare ourselves to uncivilized countries with it comes to how we handle illegal immigrants?

  301. You and the haters,the column of duh, have no interest in the truth.

    Pfffft! That’s rich. Your guy, a Mr. Willard “Mitt” Romney has already been caught in many untruths [read: LIES], so obviously truth is not really a priority for you. And he’s not even in office.

    Hopefully, if smarter heads prevail, he will never be.

  302. What is the big deal if Iran did want “the bomb”? Israel’s got tons of them, all aimed at every city throughout the area including Europe’s. Pakistan’s got them, India, Turkey, Russia, China, etc.

    All Iran needs is a couple dozen box-cutter wielding semi proficient pilots and they’ll whip our ass into the next decade. That and a reason.

    Pussies!

  303. The bloodthirsty Clinton, leading the uprisings and spreading world ‘democracy’ and ‘humanitarianism’ in true UN style.

    In Syria, the U.S. and Israel are sponsoring Jihadist terrorists to destroy the unity of Syria and bring down the current Syrian government. As a result, the moral and intellectual arguments for the U.S.-led war on terror are being exposed as propaganda talking points that have no logical connections to the real world.

    The U.S. and Israeli governments cannot be taken seriously when they try to sell to the world the lie that Islamic terrorism is a threat to Western civilization while it is secretly funding and arming Sunni terrorists to wage war against governments that they don’t like.

    http://disquietreservations.blogspot.co.nz/2012/06/us-and-israel-enlist-jihadist.html

  304. For starters, for the uninitiated who the hell is Peter Schiff?

    Well, in comparison to an assistant professor from NC, a god. 😐

    But even if you doubt me, I can’t understand why an educated man wouldn’t recognize the danger of debt and printing money, especially the former.

    If applied to you own household and debt your Master Card, and you don’t pay the balance in full, and instead keep bumping the credit limit paying only the interest, I would think even a Leftist would understand that danger. I’m afraid concerning matters of money, I’m finding you woefully lacking.

    Unfortunately for me, by the time the light bulb comes on for you and millions of uninformed like you, it will be too late to stop the bleeding. And like Rabbit and I discussed night before last, there is no soft landing. Bernacke is out of bullets.

  305. Pfffft! That’s rich. Your guy, a Mr. Willard “Mitt” Romney has already been caught in many untruths [read: LIES], so obviously truth is not really a priority for you. And he’s not even in office.

    Hopefully, if smarter heads prevail, he will never be.

    Alfie, Poolman is a more persistent Yellow Dawg. If heads prevail like say Poolman’s, I look for us to be Zimbabwe soon, or more likely the Bronx Zoo.

  306. Dateline: Cleveland, OH. brother on the downhill slide. What a shame – a really bright guy, slipping away on a daily basis. Free medical advice: don’t get old. Buying a motorcycle is a pretty good insurance policy against that…may get one when I get home.

    poolman @ 336 “Like I said, everything in this world is give and take. For every “improvement” there is and equal and opposite detriment.”

    Not so. If that were true we would be no better off net/net than our ancestors 3M years ago. All “noble savage” nonsense to the contrary, I don’t believe that is true.

    re: Obama/Romney. I can’t believe we are even having a discussion about this. Gentlemen – and lady – we are wallowing in a cesspool of fiscal and monetary irresponsibility, and nothing will more surely bring down a nation than destroying its economy. Nothing has ever been discovered that is more effective at doing that than instituting a socialist state.

    The distinction could not be any clearer: one presidential candidate has shown over and over that his model IS the socialist state, and he is too stupid or blind (or is so power-hungry that he just doesn’t give a shit about his country) to acknowledge that that model has failed miserably and completely everywhere and every time it has been tried. Not failed sometimes, or partially – universal, unmitigated failure. The other candidate understands that the real source of money is the people who earned it, knows how to deploy capital properly and efficiently, and has a proven track record of doing so in the private sector – and gives every indication that he will do it in the public sector as well.

    Hmmm…………tough choice, that.

  307. The distinction could not be any clearer: one presidential candidate has shown over and over that his model IS the socialist state, and he is too stupid or blind (or is so power-hungry that he just doesn’t give a shit about his country) to acknowledge that that model has failed miserably and completely everywhere and every time it has been tried. Not failed sometimes, or partially – universal, unmitigated failure. The other candidate understands that the real source of money is the people who earned it, knows how to deploy capital properly and efficiently, and has a proven track record of doing so in the private sector – and gives every indication that he will do it in the public sector as well.

    Well said. If the priority really is the economy, capital and jobs, the decision couldn’t be any clearer this go around.

    We have one candidate a proven failure – 42 months of fiscal irresponsibility never seen before in American history. We have another candidate – venture capitalist – a record so sterling even the patron saint of Dimocratic politics called his business credentials sterling.

  308. Sorry to hear about your brother, Pfesser. How old is he? Can’t imagine him being old, taking your age into account.

    If you’re going to get a motorcycle, make sure you’re not wearing a helmet when you decide to go really fast. Old coworker was on the back of a Harley few years ago, when her boyfriend’s bike bit the pavement. He walked away with road rash; she smashed her head into the curb. She survived but the results are ugly. Severe brain trauma. Though she’s still all there cognitively I understand, the motor skills aren’t.

    She’s a year younger than me. Very sad story.

  309. When my wife is not here, I keep really strange hours. One night I fall asleep at 9:00 PM; the next 5:00 AM. 🙄

    Thank you for your 24/7 blog, Mr. Rutherford. It keeps us insomniacs whole and entertained 24 hours a day.

    I fully expect to die young. This can’t be healthy. Let me sleep three hours, and I’m ready to rip.

  310. Rutherford, speaking of pondering:

    Have you ever pondered why you seem better informed on your radio show than say someone like Bubblehead Berhns? Some guy like Gorilla shows up on the broadcast, throws a few well-armed facts at your guest host, and she crumbles.

    Could it be that for all the utter frustration of dealing with A$$holes like me, you do become better informed and a more seasoned debater, where most leftists remain sheltered in their cocoons, convincing only themselves of their intellect but never putting it to the test?

    Let me give you one disconnect hopefully we save you from – a slant that won’t die that runs rampant in Sandi circles. Once again, one of these “polls” have come out stating FOX News viewers are the stupidest people on the planet. The polls have the same stench as these “fact check” places Leftists love to frequent to distinguish fact from fiction, but we will ignore that for the moment.

    So ask yourself. If FOX News and its viewers are so stupid, why do they seem to have such influence, including money? How did so many stupid people become so well off?

  311. Rutherford, this is based on Romney’s comments during debates and elsewhere. The list is on Romney on the issues 2012 Republican Candidates.

    Romney is pro life but he thinks states not the federal government should decide. A state’s supporting pro choice is fine with him. He opposes a federal ban on abortions.

    Romney would not withdraw our troops from Afghanistan based solely on economic considerations. He would base decisions on what officers in the field believe. Obama has not been doing that. He has over ruled his officers on occasion.

    Romney would cut taxes on people earning less than $200,000 per year, and he would lower the payroll tax on workers over 65.

    He favors a fund providing insurance and aid for home owners suffering disasters.

    Romney has suggested a $323 billion fund to stimulate the economy through business incentives not money spent on government jobs as Obama’s attempt did.

    He would spend money on alternative fuels as the government is doing now.

    President Romney would cap non-defense discretionary spending at current levels minus one per cent.

    HE would forgive capital gains taxes for businesses building operations in poor areas and hiring poor people, especially in minority neighborhoods.

    Businesses, not the government should do most of the negotiating with foreign trade partners. That happens now at the local level.

    He feels strongly about being firmer with China and pressuring them to end policies which are detrimental to the US economy. He has called China a currency manipulator. He doesn’t believe China wants a trade war. Both countries need each other. China wants the US to prosper so we can buy more goods from them.

    Romney opposes Obama’s unilateral concessions to Cuba. Cuba would have lilberalise before we did them any favors.

    His executive order goals: Give as much authority over Obamacare to the states as possible with the goal of ultimately ending it.

    An order to cut red tape.

    Boost domestic energy production by speeding approval of drilling permits.

    Consolidate federal training programs and return them to the states.

    Cut non-discretionary spending by 5%.

    Reverse Obama’s executive orders giving more power to labor unions at the expense of businesses.

    To sanction China for unfair trade practices.

    Is that enough details, Rutherford? Can you match them with Obama’s plans, and can you explain how Obama would change his current failures to successes?

    Obviously Romney won’t be able to do all of these things, but his plans offer a clue to how he would run his administration.

  312. @401 you’re the one that dropped a load of crap and have the gall to deflect when somebody points out you made the room smell.
    I called out your comment and followed up with reality and you weep,too funny.

  313. I’m sorry to hear about your brother too, Pfessor. I hope the future is better than expected.

    Rutherford, Obama is effectively killing terrorists, and fighting Iran with computer viruses etc. In that respect, he is protecting the US. However, the government is leaking so many operational secrets even Democrats like Diane Finstein are concerned and want an investigation.

    He is letting Russia, especially gain concessions without returning the favor. He helped disrupt the Middle Eastern countries without regard to the aftermath. They are potentially more dangerous to us than before. We could have pressured leaders to liberalize their societies with threats and bribes.

    Obama seems to have timed withdrawal of troops from Iraq and Afghanistan more for political than strategic gain.

    I think Romney would do a better job. Why do you disagree? Why was it a good thing to pull the rug from under Poland and other countries who had agreed to let us build a nuclear shield against Iran because the Russians opposed the shield?

    I think Tex is right in 406. He plays the same role as Romney’s primary attackers. He and you became stronger because of the pressure.

  314. Alfie, the only smell in the ‘room’ is the rotting mush between your rubbery head handles.

    Your ‘reality’ is forged by the same doomed souls you worship.

    I weep only over your consistently insistent ignorance.

    We’re doomed.

  315. Sorry to hear about your brother, PFesser. Tough stuff.

    James and I are taking your advice and are decidedly getting younger with each passing year.

  316. You’re on a false path pools. I’ve ignored you and exercised disengagement and you wouldn’t let it be. From here out I will call you on your bullshit otherwise I’d be an unworthy thread participant.
    So lets recap:
    YOU extended the meme that Romney via Bain was linked to BP and specifically to Deepwater Horizon.(360)
    I pointed out how this is a slanderous and misguided lie.(362 & 381)
    You then go into a fit of contortionist deflection.(397 & 411)

  317. Hi uawtradesman. I’m glad you popped in. I hope you keep doing it. That NewsBusted was funny.

    Poolman, I think I lost another year, but that old guy staring at me in the mirror has a surprised look on his face.

  318. Pools lets be clear on a few things.
    I don’t like you,never have never will.That said there are moments when I have a modicum of respect for some of your passions even if I don’t have any respect for the ideals behind them. Your Ron Paul support and faith for example.

    You are an enemy plain and simple. You have zero regard for the popular vote yet demand respect from others for your populist views. There’s something screwy there.
    You rail against the perceived ignorance of those that don’t celebrate the failings of America especially on the FP front. I think you fail to appreciate that many folks are all too aware of those failings,but they just don’t believe hoisting them up as a banner to disrupt the republic is such a peachy idea.

    Now I’m sure you could care less if I’m here or not and that’s ok. I think it is still important though to let people understand that the future is based in something real. I sincerely believe you’ll never let up but I also believe you have a victim schism. You’re no victim of anyone here that decides to say enough is enough.

  319. A nuclear Iran is a terrible idea. But here’s an inconvenient truth for you Noah. Iran making a bomb is in dispute.

    Independent groups have found Iran has been enriching past what is needed for fuel. But let us skip that and move on to your incredibility short sightedness, something that is not in dispute by anyone who reads your blog. Explain to me how a country like Iran, who is known to fund terrorists and conduct terrorist activities themselves, who has the belief system as they do, should ever be allowed to have nuclear material? Ever hear of a dirty bomb? Do you have any idea what that bomb could do, say to Israel, should it be set off within their boarders?

    Considering what I have read of you to date, I know you are not a total idiot. So I have to believe you are afraid to admit the truth. You are against Mitt because he is a Republican, and no other reason is necessary, hell, reason isn’t necessary. You are for or against things not because it is right or wrong, or is what is best for us, but rather because it follows the party line. It is this fact that makes you a hack. The times you stray off the reservation always has come off to me as trying to convince us that you are not a left wing radical. The points you make are almost always on some minor point of little merit.

    As far as the low hanging fruit. Rather than waste your time and mine trying to pigeon hole on the quality of my comments, just step up to the plate and try t offer up a point of view that is your own.

    And just so there is no confusion, at this point in time I have zero respect for a person who can actively promoting an ideology that will have their children and their children’s children paying off the debt of all of these social policies to make your life easier. Everything you stand for and want for YOU is paid for by spending their future. That makes you a thief, a parasite, pure and simple.

    A man, where I come from, the moment he has a child, puts aside all concerns of self, and does everything he can to make his child’s life better. To build them a future so their life can be better than his life was. Can you look at yourself in the mirror and say that is the kind of man you are? That the things you promote and believe are driven by the desire to improve their future, even if you have to make sacrifices in order to achieve it?

  320. Alfie, if popular vote ruled the day, we would NOT be at war. Popular vote is not what you hear from your sold-out media platforms. Sorry. Integrity left the building years ago. Your views reflect the same narrative as the establishment. Your history lessons, the same.

    I’m certain you oppose the FOIA and have never used that source to correct your incorrect positions.

    You told me in the past you were not in any way working for government or getting any benefit from them, but your writing says different. At any rate, you are for sure a tool in their hand.

    I really don’t care what you think of me or my convictions. If you want to keep up the white-wash, so be it. We all have our own path to travel. I choose to not to stay on the pavement.

  321. Look at the bright side, Poolman. If the economy folds tent and America dries up and blows away, you’ll be the only one on this board that won’t lose anything. 😈

    Poolman, there ain’t nothing edifying about you. You’re an insolent nuisance and frankly there is no record of accomplishment of any sort. The least you could do is try to carry yourself in a dignified manner and walk humbly. Instead, you hang your profound ignorance out like a flag, and stroll around with your pecker in your hand here.

    If you had any sense, you’d hang a white flag and retreat back to the Chatty Think Tank where you belong with the rest of the Fat Granny dimwits and gossips.

    I’m with Alfie but unlike Alfie, tolerance is not my best asset. Despite your lack of understanding of anything complex and always at the amoebic level, and your penchant for hating America and Israel, I sense a real undercurrent of fear and loathing, contrary to your Bible quoting scripture act to assure the rest of us of your sanctity.

    And the only cross your bearing is the ‘X’ stenciled permanently between your eyes.

  322. Rutherford, I understand Poolman’s idiocy about not caring about Iran having a bomb. In fact, that dunce is actively rooting for Iran to have the bomb. But that’s Poolman. The useful idiocy is expected.

    I don’t understand why you don’t have misgivings. First, Iran is state sponsored terrorism. You can look at Syria this minute and realize that end game. Second, having the bomb is not the concern. Having fissile material is the concern. And we know Iran is obtaining it. That is not in dispute. The bomb is secondary.

    Having weapons grade uranium is what must be stopped. If you understood anything of the mad Mullah’s motives, you’d realize that your baseless charges against Christians wishing to usher in Armageddon are exactly what is motivating Iran. You got the right idea, but you’re pointing fingers at the wrong religion.

    These religious leaders are zealots who believe their 12th Imam is going to crawl out of that little hole any day now. While the rest of the world uses “the bomb” as deterrent, these mofos have every intention of using it.

    You’re not dealing with sane people in Iran.

  323. @419 Holy crap you’re as predictable as you are wrong.
    For good or bad the popular vote has supported war,you speak of immeasurable fluid populism,you lose again.Populism does indeed seep into the popular vote at times but then you’d know that if you understood that….
    History & knowledge isn’t a wiki page or a blog.
    I fully support FOIA and indeed it is true that I am not working for any level of govt. nor do I receive any benefit from them.(especially if you mean a retirement or other dole)

  324. Alfie,

    Maybe we’ll have to agree to disagree. I am steadfast in my convictions and stubborn as my Aries zodiac sign suggests. (Funny how those often seem valid) I learn new stuff daily, and am willing to change my mind when I find a valid reason.

    I will respect you enough to always correctly spell your name.

  325. R, for the love of God, you use the wrong metric for your point. Inspirational presidential moments derive from their response to challenging circumstances, not campaign speeches.

    You unquestionably would have said the same thing about GWB prior to his election as you do about Romney today — “uninspiring.” Now you use GWB’s 9/11 moment as evidence of inspirational moments.

    Frankly, the petty, divisive Obama seems to me to only be what you would refer to “inspirational” in the context of self-aggrandizement. I don’t think could’ve done the “touch the face of God” or bull-horned 9/11 speech. The Obama I know gives “shout outs” on somber occasions.

  326. What is the big deal if Iran did want “the bomb”? Israel’s got tons of them, all aimed at every city throughout the area including Europe’s. Pakistan’s got them, India, Turkey, Russia, China, etc.

    Poolman, on principle I agree with you but this really revolves around who we believe are “rational actors”. Of the countries you list, the only one whose arsenal worries me is Pakistan. But since, as far as I know, Pakistan and India hate each other, so long as one has the bomb, so will the other.

    On the one hand we view Iran as a loony nation and loons shouldn’t have the bomb. On the other hand it is entirely reasonable for them to want to have the same deterrent in their arsenal as the nuclear armed nations that surround them.

  327. If applied to you own household and debt your Master Card,

    Obviously I’ve thought of this analogy. Anyone with half a brain would. BUT I’m not convinced that a direct comparison of personal finance to national finance completely makes sense. It seems to me a naive simplistic way to view national finance.

    It’s the same mistake as believing that someone who successfully runs a company can run the country … as if it were a company. It’s simplistic and I suspect dangerously so.

  328. Sorry to hear about your brother PF. Hope things improve on that front.

    As for this obvious distinction between Obama and Romney. All you’re really saying is that some alternative to Obama is necessary because be honest … you don’t have the foggiest idea what Romney will do. He certainly has no consistent track record to fall back on having taken both sides of virtually every argument he’s been involved in. And I’m also a bit surprised, PF, considering your atheistic leanings that you’d trust the nation to a man who follows a religion started by a con artist, which includes magic underwear and a former policy of discrimination against blacks. In fact, like any good con game, the Mormons have conveniently gotten messages from their lord whenever our government told them to get their act together. So suddenly in the 1970’s blacks were ok. And polygamy is no longer officially sanctioned. I’ve never seen a God so easily influenced by the laws of mere mortals. 😉

    Now before the rest of you pile on, I am not in favor of a religious litmus test. And I don’t perceive Romney as a proselytizer and I respect him for that (despite his former missionary work). I’m just asking Pfesser for some intellectual integrity. If Palin spooked him religiously, why doesn’t Romney?

  329. “It’s the same mistake as believing that someone who successfully runs a company can run the country … as if it were a company. It’s simplistic and I suspect dangerously so.”

    Hahahahah. Are you serious?

    How about running the country like a community organizer?

  330. And another thing!!

    Rather than compare Romney to Obama, why don’t we go down the bread crumb trail left for us by the Obama campaign and ask this question: What is the difference between Mitt Romney and George W. Bush? If all Mitt is offering is a return to 2007/2008, how is that any kind of bargain?

  331. R, is it the same mistake as believing that someone with military success can run a country?

    So dopey.

    We have a guy running business that can’t run a country too. 😆

    Loving that “track record” you claim to hold so dear. . .

  332. Tigre, that actually made no sense. Obama never claimed his experience as a community organizer qualified him to be POTUS. It DID give him the activist bona fides desired by the liberal base. But that is a totally different story. And how does anyone run the country like a community organizer? Can’t be done and Obama hasn’t done that.

    Now, if you want to claim that Obama’s political career was limited in scope (much like Marco Rubio) then we can have a conversation.

    But again … you fail to see how weak your candidate is. When I challenge him, you don’t defend him … you just deflect back to Obama.

    Pathetic, sad and not right for America ™

  333. Regarding 433, I hate to let you in on this Tigre, but things have improved since 2008. It isn’t enough. No one argues that. But a return to 2007/2008 is a step back.

  334. Have you ever pondered why you seem better informed on your radio show than say someone like Bubblehead Berhns?

    Sandi is a mixed bag. She states everything with an air of authority and on occasion deliberately or not she’s blowing smoke. On the other hand she has a MUCH better grasp of local races and policy issues than I do. I’ve always been more interested in the social implications of politics as opposed to the legislative specifics.

  335. Can you match them with Obama’s plans, and can you explain how Obama would change his current failures to successes?

    James, your premise is faulty, Obama claims his approach works with enough time. So you’ll never hear him say “I’m going to do a 180 in my second term”. What he wants in the second term is cooperation from GOPhers and blue dogs, something he has never had in the past three years.

    As for the specifics you cited on Romney, his unwillingness to cut military spending is alarming since our military industrial complex gets way too much funding. As for Obama not doing everything the commanders in the field want, that’s called being Commander-in-Chief. The Commander-in-Chief is not a puppet to his subordinates. He gathers enough info to make a decision and then he makes it. What is unique about our country is that the military is lead by civilian, not the other way around. If you recall McCrystal backed Obama into a corner on Afghanistan troop levels and Obama approved more troops than he really wanted to.

  336. With all due respect to UAW, “Newsbusted” is very hard to watch with that canned laughter and applause. If a joke is funny, you don’t need a laugh track and if it’s not funny, the laugh track just amplifies how bad the joke was in the first place.

  337. Regarding 433, I hate to let you in on this Tigre, but things have improved since 2008. It isn’t enough. No one argues that. But a return to 2007/2008 is a step back.

    I wonder how? Unemployment is higher – the debt has increased 33% – our debt has been downgraded – we have 17,000,000 more on the food stamp rolls – gasoline is a dollar a gallon more expensive – consumer staples are up dramatically including fuel and utilities – and nobody but leftists believes your private sector job growth numbers – Europe is imploding – China may be entering a recession as well. Take into account people leaving the job market entirely, and jobs not being filled due to retirement, and unemployment continues to get worse.

    We know those lines are bullshit like Obama’s experience to run a fruit stand, much less the country. Speaking of better. You think race relations are now better four years under Obama? How about Afghanistan? Pakistan? Yemen?

  338. What he wants in the second term is cooperation from GOPhers and blue dogs, something he has never had in the past three years.

    Man, you have selective memory. Blue dogs were voted out in 2010. Obama had all the cooperation he need from Jan 2009 – 2011, including passing that disaster of a health plan called BongoCare.

    America spoke loud and clear 19 months ago about Obama’s course of action. Historic losses in a rout.

    You just don’t get it, do you?

  339. “Tigre, that actually made no sense. Obama never claimed his experience as a community organizer qualified him to be POTUS.”

    Then what did? What does now? No. He has 4 years of a failed presidency now too.

    There’s got to be a valid point in here somewhere. 🙄

    Romney of course wouldn’t want to sell his successes.

    Mitt has executive and other experience too.

    So before becoming leader of a country everything is subject to your dumb attack, isn’t it?

    I don’t know if I’ve ever read something as circular as what you’ve written on this. Ever.

    You were saying about Romney not being inspiring. . . 🙄

  340. James, your premise is faulty, Obama claims his approach works with enough time.So you’ll never hear him say “I’m going to do a 180 in my second term

    Am I missing something Rutherford? Do you even know what you are talking about? You really give me pause sometimes.

  341. @Rutherford
    But again … you fail to see how weak your candidate is. When I challenge him, you don’t defend him … you just deflect back to Obama.
    What challenges re Romney have you leveled? Serious I must have been asleep or something.

  342. If this:

    As for the specifics you cited on Romney, his unwillingness to cut military spending is alarming since our military industrial complex gets way too much funding.

    is an example you’re being short sighted and not allowing for the potential that Romney will pursue smarter spending.

  343. Rutherford your position in 435 seems to be that someone NO resume of worth is imminently more qualified than someone who believes executive experience is a plus for someone aspiring to the Executive branch of the Federal govt.
    Seriously dude get another cup of java or something ‘cuz that’s f@#$ing crazy talk. Wake Up!

  344. Regarding 418, Noah tell me what you REALLY think. Just for the record, everything I write I believe. I don’t write stuff to manipulate anyone’s opinion of me. And frankly I don’t give a flying f*ck if you think my trips off the reservation are on minor points.

    My comment to Poolman regarding Iran applies to you as well (I wrote it after you wrote your screed). You have the basic premise that a lunatic nation should not be allowed to pursue an energy policy that might enable it to use that energy source for violent ends. Your premise makes perfect sense. But here’s the rub. Who gets to decide which nations are loony and which ones are not? You are going one step beyond measuring Iran’s enrichment process, to outright telling them they can’t pursue nuclear energy at all. Hate to let you in on this but they’re a sovereign nation and YOU have no right to dictate their energy policy.

    It is in our best interest to monitor what they do, apply sanctions when appropriate and if they pose an immediate threat to the United States of America, use military force if necessary. That’s the bottom line.

    As for my daughter, you have no friggin crystal ball Mr. soothsayer. I care about my child’s future as much as you care about yours (and since I don’t know you, I may have actually just insulted myself, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt). I don’t make assumptions about your parenting priorities because you support a party that would have your daughter die in a back alley abortion rather than give her a legal means to do what she needs to do. So I suggest you keep our children out of the discussion.

  345. You must be fearing a rout, Rutherford. Kind of has that feel, doesn’t it? Obama’s performance even on the circuit where he is most comfortable has been gaffe filled and pathetic. The private sector is doing okay? *** GUFFAW ***

    How fast did Obama backtrack that one? What a dumbass.

    Tigre is cutting you slack calling your argument about Romney circular. I would just call it a steaming pile.

    Anyway you cut it, Romney is far more qualified than the day Obama walked into the office of the Presidency. Even liberals are whispering amongst themselves Obama is unqualified.

    The Republicans best ally right now is Bill Clinton – he certainly thinks Romney qualified (I believe sterling was the adjective used) and Obama a lightweight and looming disaster for the Dimocratic party.

  346. Tex, regarding Iran I’ve always heard that the religious leaders are actually saner than Ahmadinejad. They keep him in check. Have you heard differently?

  347. because you support a party that would have your daughter die in a back alley abortion rather than give her a legal means to do what she needs to do.

    😆 Back alley abortion. That was proven a load of shit too by the very guy who coined the phrase. Rutherford, I generally think you’re an honest man, even if your conclusions screwed beyond measure.

    But that comment was so far beyond the pale, it deserves some mockery.

    Dr. Bernard Nathanson, co-founder of the National Abortion Rights Action League, admits his group lied about the number of women who died from illegal abortions when testifying before the Supreme Court in 1972. “We spoke of 5,000 – 10,000 deaths a year…. I confess that I knew the figures were totally false … it was a useful figure, widely accepted, so why go out of our way to correct it with honest statistics?”

    That claim of thousands of maternal deaths due to illegal abortion doesn’t measure up when compared with other statistics. About 50,000 women of child-bearing age die each year — from all causes combined. To suggest that 10,000 of these deaths were from illegal abortion would make that the cause of one out of every five deaths, or twenty percent. This would have made illegal abortion the leading cause of death among women in that age group.

    http://forlifeandfamily.blogspot.com/2009/03/myth-of-mass-back-alley-abortion-deaths.html

    You got to get off the MSNBC, Maher and MTV stuff man. It’s killing you.

  348. Tex, regarding Iran I’ve always heard that the religious leaders are actually saner than Ahmadinejad. They keep him in check. Have you heard differently?

    Actually, I think Ahmadinejad just a mouth piece for the Ayatollah Assaholas. They could can Mahmoud anytime they wanted to, and choose not to.

    I have no way to confirm or deny, but the real powers of the country are the Ayatollahs. Of that, I am sure.

  349. R, is it the same mistake as believing that someone with military success can run a country?

    Dag, just when I was tipping my hat to you, you blow it. Understanding military strategy is a direct contributor to success as Commander-in-Chief. Knowing how to please stockholders has no bearing on running a “company” without stockholders … in fact a “company” where you don’t fire the weakest “employees”, you actually have to find ways to enable them to improve their lot.

    We have a guy running business that can’t run a country too.

    What did that mean? I don’t follow.

  350. So before becoming leader of a country everything is subject to your dumb attack, isn’t it?

    Now that’s a whopper. I didn’t “know” you back in the day Tigre but are you telling me you weren’t attacking CANDIDATE Obama back in 2008? I find that hard to believe.

  351. Knowing how to please stockholders has no bearing on running a “company” without stockholders … in fact a “company” where you don’t fire the weakest “employees”, you actually have to find ways to enable them to improve their lot.

    “Knowing how to please stock holders?

    If you can’t see the value of someone that knows business, particularly in these times, there’s no hope for you. I trust you’re playing coy.

    ‘ We have a guy running business that can’t run a country too.

    What did that mean? I don’t follow.’

    It was a crack at Obama. I was thinking about his business successes, like Solyndra and GM.

  352. Romney said he wants to take us back to 2007/2008? Explain?

    He expresses the same belligerent foreign policy that was the hallmark of the Bush administration. He not only wants to leave the military budget untouched, he wants to continue the Afghanistan war with no end date in sight. Like his GOP predecessor, we can count on him to spend “money we don’t have” on more war. He wants to give tax cuts to the rich (like Bush did) having not learned the lesson that the money DOESN’T trickle down.

    That’s a good start.

  353. Noah, his August 3 2011 statement proves my point. I said he won’t say he’s going to do a 180. You just proved my point.

    Do you even know what you are talking about? You really give me pause sometimes.

  354. “Now that’s a whopper. I didn’t “know” you back in the day Tigre but are you telling me you weren’t attacking CANDIDATE Obama back in 2008? I find that hard to believe.”

    Of course I was. With valid points.

    Now, if you’ll pause you’ll see why I referred to community organizer and POTUS.

    Use your same attack on Obama and every president running for a first term, R?

    Evey accomplishment falls short of running the country — including military experience which was the only qualification of many of our greatest leaders.

    Romney as executive experience R.

  355. Who gets to decide which nations are loony and which ones are not? You are going one step beyond measuring Iran’s enrichment process, to outright telling them they can’t pursue nuclear energy at all. Hate to let you in on this but they’re a sovereign nation and YOU have no right to dictate their energy policy.

    #1 Look at their energy resources. They dont need nuclear energy. Do you think they need it?

    #2 When they conducted acts of terrorism, and support financially groups who commit acts of terrorism, and they state publicly they want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth, they loose the right to chose for themselves if they get to develop a weapon of mass destruction. Then when you take their religious view it is honorable to die killing your enemies, I see all the reasons I need to not allow them to have it. Why do you disagree with the points I have listed. Each in turn please.

    Sorry if I struck a nerve with your children. No actually Im not. When we have a President who doesn’t give a damn about spending our kids future, and those who support him cannot articulate why they have no problem with it, I guess I have a hard time feeling bad about it, because my kids future is being spent along with yours.

  356. He not only wants to leave the military budget untouched, he wants to continue the Afghanistan war with no end date in sight. Like his GOP predecessor, we can count on him to spend “money we don’t have” on more war.

    Let me break this one down in2 bite size morsels:
    First of all he does indeed want to leave the defense spending as is. There are a number of variables that make it necessary to keep the %. The need to address a decade of equipment fatigue,ships going off line,the fact we haven’t solved the 4th to 5th generation fighter issue,the fact that NGB (next gen bomber) is needed especially since we’ve backed off missile technology for so long,that we’ve embraced the Pacific Pivot as noted earlier.
    Romneys position on Afghanistan has been consistently based in NO TIME TABLE THAT SIGNALS TO THE ENEMY. That was his position in ’08 when McCain lied about Mitts stance and is the position today. As for how timetables possibly effect things,ask the French they just buried four and ‘d bet money they will be dogged hard starting in July.
    As for money we don’t have on more war….ahem….Libya and Syria?????

  357. Egad, I can’t keep up with the foolishness I’m reading.

    It’s the same mistake as believing that someone who successfully runs a company can run the country … as if it were a company. It’s simplistic and I suspect dangerously so. – R

    We need a manager right now. Someone who’s going to make the process of government more efficient, more responsible, more responsive. Obama ain’t doing that by any stretch of the imagination. I don’t want anyone to “run the country”. I want someone who’s gonna make government the least intrusive as possible while providing the services it is required to provide. We don’t have that right now.

    As for military experience, I’m sorry, Mr Community organizer picking “baseball cards” for action is a bit like some kid choosing which ant to fry with the magnifying glass. Remember when Robert McNamarra and Jack Kennedy/Lyndon Johnson were picking targets in the Oval office too? Didn’t work so well then either. And I’m sorry, but Obama is a piss poor checkers player and is getting his ass handed to him by some fairly swave chess players. Russia plays B. Kardashian O. like a fiddle. I’d rather have a responsible manager with no experience than captain blow-hard who thinks he’s a stud.

    Of course the money trickle’s down. It’s always come down. Period. You can’t keep imagining like the success of the 80’s didn’t happen. How many high school kids have you seen with Coach bags? I see them all over the place around here. You think that piss ant job flipping burgers, which by the way part time work constituted a huge proportion of the 69,000jobs for May (golf clap B. Kardashian O.), paid for it? You think think those folks building the yachts own yachts? Who builds those mansions or BMWs? Stop regurgitating some stupid comment from a dipshit who clearly suffers from an inability to do simple math.

  358. And explain this to me: Dipshit said the private sector was fine and that we needed to focus on state and local government s hiring more folks. Of course, he said this almost a month to the day after saying this:

    I’m telling you, he is not that smart…

  359. Rutherford, thank YOU for proving my point about you. When you are shown to be DEAD wrong, you resort to making a minor point of no merit and cry victory. What a chump. The point was kiddo that you whined about him needing more time, when in the video he said himself he had better get it done in 3 years or he would be a one term President. But I suspect you already knew that but lacked the integrity to fess up. Nuff said.

  360. Gorilla has upped his game of late. His rants have an edge to them that are fun to read. Motherfucken liberal slayer.

  361. Poolman, I assume you do not endorse 416

    Not 100 percent. Much of it I feel was dead on. There was also plenty of comedy, and that I generally endorse. 😀

  362. I still think a Romney presidency would be much worse than an Obama second term. He is the banker’s choice, after all, and they have orchestrated this downfall and enslavement. Obama has been a speed bump on the highway to hell. Romney’s the autobahn.

  363. Rand Paul disagrees. And I have to assume Rand knows Ron better than the Foolman.

    Cast your O’Blamo vote. Won’t make any difference, as Arizona goes Romney.

  364. I’m voting Ron Paul. That hasn’t changed. Did you catch his speech at the Texas State Convention? Kicks ass. The only candidate with any integrity in the race.

  365. What challenges re Romney have you leveled? Serious I must have been asleep or something.

    Putting aside a belligerent archaic foreign policy stance, and a free market philosophy that lets people suffer as a natural consequence of capitalism, how bout he waffles more than the breakfast special at IHOP?

  366. Contrasted with Obama’s government centered market philosophy that lets virtually the entire nation suffer as a natural consequence of socialism, a predator drone strike that takes out the kids too, and a pack of egregious campaign lies like halving the deficit.

    Your is sheer speculation. Mine are the record of fact. 😉

  367. Tex, the accuracy of my “back alley abortion” comment isn’t really the point. Noah hit me with a broad brush accusation that my politics would hurt my daughter and that I didn’t give a damn. I used a common pro-choice meme to counter that his party’s politics could hurt his daughter. Even if it wouldn’t kill her, it would compound an already very difficult situation for her.

    This tactic of condemning liberals as selfish uncaring parents who WANT to condemn their children to future misery is beyond the pale and below the belt.

  368. I was thinking about his business successes, like Solyndra and GM.

    For starters, Obama made no attempt to RUN either of these companies. Secondly, under the same loan program that benefited Solyndra there have been successes. Solyndra failed, Tesla Motors has succeeded. Like Bain, the DOE loan program has had winners and losers.

    Second, cite all the mitigating factors you like, most folks consider GM a success story.

  369. Oh … and Tigre, I’m not being the least bit coy. Bain bears ZERO resemblance to the United States of America if we were to characterize the USA as a company.

  370. Things that make you go hmmm

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47745646/ns/politics-the_new_york_times/t/drug-industry-pushed-obama-health-overhaul-e-mails-suggest/#.T9V_erUp9I3

    On June 3, 2009, one of the lobbyists e-mailed Nancy-Ann DeParle, the president’s health care adviser. Ms. DeParle reassured the lobbyist. Although Mr. Obama was overseas, she wrote, she and other top officials had “made decision, based on how constructive you guys have been, to oppose importation” on a different proposal.

    Just like that, Mr. Obama’s staff signaled a willingness to put aside support for the reimportation of prescription medicines at lower prices and by doing so solidified a compact with an industry the president had vilified on the campaign trail. Central to Mr. Obama’s drive to remake the nation’s health care system was an unlikely collaboration with the pharmaceutical industry that forced unappealing trade-offs.

  371. I wonder Rutherford, as you whine about all the successful business Mitt has done over the years, what exactly in all of this has he done that was illegal, and could you then list for me the charges pending against him?

    Or is it more to do with jealousy that he has, and you “has not” and you want your “fair share” ?

    Mitt ran many successful businesses. Mitt ran a state. He has far more qualifications than Hussein Obama had coming into office but more importantly, he has a proven track record. Obama is a politician who never ran a state or even a city. .

    Oh … and Tigre, I’m not being the least bit coy. Bain bears ZERO resemblance to the United States of America if we were to characterize the USA as a company.

    Meaningless drivel. The fact that it isnt an exact model of the US is a meaningless point made by someone with nothing else in his quiver to come back with. You reeking of desperation.

  372. The point was kiddo that you whined about him needing more time, when in the video he said himself he had better get it done in 3 years or he would be a one term President.

    I didn’t whine about anything. I told you what Obama’s approach would be … that he needs more time. The second half of the video you provided confirmed my statement. No one is talking about what he said back in 2009. I was talking about his current approach.

    So yes I declared victory and YOU are the chump in this exchange, not smart enough to provide a video clip that refutes what I said.

    Try again, kiddo.

  373. Noah, FWIW, I agree with you that Obama was in bed with the pharma industry when “Obamacare” was crafted. You get no argument from me. It’s one reason why the solution was not ideal.

  374. R, go to bed. Maybe you’ll wake up with a sense of humor and some common sense.

    Condemning a candidate that served as governor, head of a number of organizations, and had success in business is not a negative. It’s hard not to giggle when you argue that it is.

    And yeah you’re going to hear about Amateur Obama because you support him and found his background — no experience in business or politics — 100% academic — qualified him to lead the country. Obama brought nothing to the table but empty rhetoric and the predictable results follow. He’s got no record to run on, and you applaud him because his public interest minded liberal base find that appealing. 🙄

    And you are doling lectures about the importance of a track record. Even Clinton, the only dem to serve two terms since FDR is gagging on Obama’s miserable politics and performance.

    R, I love you in a manly way (why does that still sound gay?), but really, this is too dumb to bother with.

    I look forward to anther rational post.

  375. I wonder as Rutherford and Thor and the rest of the Obama lackeys have any idea the ramifications of this?

    Under Obama, Fed’s Holdings of U.S. Debt Have Jumped 452%

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/top-customer-under-obama-fed-s-holdings-us-debt-have-jumped-452

    Generations now beholden to the federal government, and this house of cards will crumble. I don’t know if Romney can turn it around, but one thing for sure: Obama has no intentions of even trying. He’s going to buy the vote and that is all he is capable of – completely over his head.

  376. Tigre and Gorilla,

    I’ve been giving a little thought to a good analogy for Rutherford. To me, he’s like a Stalinist after the USSR imploded.

    I said yesterday Detroit is liberalism and I meant it. Rutherford’s entire philosophical construct has imploded the last three years in spectacular fashion. California, the bluest state will be Detroit in the coming years. Keynesian economics has demonstrably failed and indebted us to the point of downgrade. Contrary to Obama’s claims of the post-racial President, Obama has actually divided America more so since anytime post Jim Crow. Our public school, governed by predominately liberal academicians, has become a disgrace and an incredibly expensive millstone around the necks of the American taxpayer. Green economy has proven to be a ruse and a tool to increase taxes. Unions are bankrupting private business, and raping the public coffers. Our liberties are slowly being dissolved, from legalized molestation at airports, to data mining our private activities, to enforcing what we can eat and drink.

    My only real question left for leftists like Rutherford, Thor, Graychin, Fake, Gypsy and any other tax and spend, cradle to grave entitled that has strolled into this place is, “What is the end game and where do they go from here now that it obvious the Obama philosophy a sham, and a clear financial and moral failure?”

    If they can’t change and adapt, what is our alternative but divesting ourselves from their ilk – unless we are willing to go down the hole with them?

    I ask that in all seriousness.

  377. 446, Rutherford, my premise is right, not wrong. Maybe you are too young to remember the “light at the end of the tunnel.” The Vietnam war was not progressing, so our leaders sent ever more soldiers into battle but they did little else to change strategy. it was always the “light at the end of the tunnel.” Wait a little longer. This will do it.

    Pete Seeger wrote a song describing a TI marching his recruits through a Lousinana swamp. The water was too deep, and he didn’t realize danger was ahead, but “The Big Fool Said Push On” Obama could say his plan will work. He just needs more time. Twenty years from now, his plan still would not work. History tells us so.

    Obama did not miss -speak when he said the private economy is fine. He didn’t really back track later, because he believes the main economic force in our economy is the government. The loss of government jobs was more important than the slow rise of private employment.

    It in a nutshell defines this election. Which is the best way to make life better for the majority of people–the government or private enterprise? Since you are a big government man, please defend you position with examples of times where it worked for the long term.

  378. 475 Obama IS the highway to Hell.

    Large, intrusive governments enslave more people than banks do. Governments, not banks dictate the size of a soft drink container which can be sold. Government, not banks dictated that Tombstone, Arizone must repair a broken water aquiduct with horses and other old equipment.

    We need banks. They are not evil. Like anything else, they require regulation.

  379. What we are watching is the last days of the leftist grievance industry. George Zimmerman is white and Elizabeth Warren is brown. The media slanders the innocent, deflects and defends for the guilty. But now they are starting to eat their own.

    And its propaganda tool is a corrupted media, small ‘c’ Communist, similar in nature to Pravda, with an army of minions that carry the message forthwith across the various mediums, including the internet; supported by a legion of leftist academicians indoctrinating the young. This game has been going on for at least 60 years – but it can’t go on much longer. Once flush with money, they’re busted and so are we.

    I have spent years trying to circumvent the Left’s emptiness, lies and idiocy. I give Rutherford a modicum of credit for making the occasional attempt to refute the leftist narrative, but he invariably falls back to the marching orders and talking points. It’s a game to them, but they fail to understand even games have consequences.

    My only satisfaction is knowing in killing the golden goose called capitalism and freedom, I feel reasonably assured I’ll be able to hold out for a little while longer than they the leftists can, and my final satisfaction will be in watching them go first.

    And I don’t expect them to go out in a blaze of glory, but a whimper.

  380. Our courageous military strategist and financial genius is running out of test messages. Forward! 😆

    Watching Axle-rod avoid answering that question was painful. It should give guys like R and Thor a painful rectal itch too — but it won’t becuase their too deep into in denial to deal honestly the issues and problems. It’s why R is hunting for someone with a credential to tell him what he wants to hear about the economy and debt. I see it in clients without a case: shop around until you find a lawyer willing to take your money and tell you what you want to hear — and the client thinks he’s got Clarence Darrow. . . until the end. Willful blindness.

    Tex @ 491: That’s the discussion of particulars that R keeps saying we dodge, but I haven’t seen addressed anywhere, including here or for that MSNBC.

  381. what exactly in all of this has he done that was illegal

    Posting in the middle of the night Noah is clearly a liability for you since you’ve lost your marbles on this one. When did I ever say Mitt did anything illegal?

    Let me put this in words you can understand. Saying Mitt can run a country because he ran Bain is as preposterous as saying Obama can run a country because he was head of Harvard Law Review.

    Interestingly, Mitt’s most compelling qualification for POTUS is his governorship of Massachusetts, a subject he seems to be downplaying.

  382. Tigre, I never said running Bain was a “negative” for Romney. I just said it ain’t the positive you guys are trying to make it out to be. He was a very successful businessman. I don’t deny nor begrudge him that. Might make him an excellent head of the OMB.

  383. Keynesian economics has demonstrably failed and indebted us to the point of downgrade.

    Sorry but the downgrade was due to Republicans holding the debt ceiling hostage while a worried global economy watched the fiasco. Had the debt ceiling been raised without fanfare, as it always has been, there would have been no downgrade.

  384. James, as far as I’m concerned Obama saying the private sector is doing fine is equivalent to Romney saying he doesn’t worry about poor people. Both statements fell flat and needed further elaboration.

  385. R, you might want to get wit Obama then. His army of morons are spreading the word that Bain was proof that he’s greedy and “evil.” That’s what Clinton was gagging on when he betrayed the message.

    Success in business, especially private equity, is a huge plus.Trying to pretend otherwise may play to anti-capitalists like you, but it’s patently absurd.

    Funny your test of executive experience makes Palin a million times more qualified than Obama. 😆

    Go back to you no-experienced career politicians for answers, I prefer someone that’s been successful at something.

  386. “Both statements fell flat and needed further elaboration.”

    Then it should’ve been an easy answer for Axel-Rod (should be a Gay porn screen name).

    Another test message bites the dust.

  387. I have described how the 1977 anti redlining law helped bring the burst housing bubble. I have quoted Stanly Kurtz to show ACORN’s contribution to the economic disaster. I have mentioned government reps who discussed loaning to poor people with our local banks.

    The Daily Caller, “Obama’s early Chicago rise brought African-Americans foreclosures, bankruptcies” “Reporters have aggressively sought more information from Romney about his business record, but there is no sign that a single reporter has asked Obama about his role in Chicago’s housing disaster.

    I wish Poolman or anyone else who bases opposition to Romney on his business record would read the article and explain why Obama shouldn’t be judged under the same rules.

  388. Sorry but the downgrade was due to Republicans holding the debt ceiling hostage while a worried global economy watched the fiasco. Had the debt ceiling been raised without fanfare, as it always has been, there would have been no downgrade.

    That’s the kind of Pravda idiocy and Leftist speak that I spoke of earlier, and the reason that I find you in the end equally as guilty as the liars and rank propagandists destroying the nation before our very eyes. Being a lackey and fool is still no excuse.

    That statement carries about as much credibility as Liz Warren being an Indian.

    A debt rating is a determination made of the debt issuers likelihood of default. The higher the debt without an equity offset and positive cash flow ratio, the more likelihood of default.

    What you suggest is not only contradictory to the very definition of debt rating, but the very reason our nation on the verge of hyper inflation. Abject stupidity and a passel of lies is what you are helping to market. I hope that makes you proud when your child asks you why you can’t afford groceries. You can blame it on the Republicans.

    I just demonstrated above that the fed is playing a shell game as the fed’s holdings of U.S. Debt Have Jumped 452% under Obama. You read that right – 452%. And I’ll guarantee you have no idea what the means.

    Now you want to convince the rest of us that up is down – that is, a debt downgrade has nothing to do with the amount of debt and corresponding debt ratio, but whether our Congress simply approves a higher debt limit. Well then bump it to $100 trillion and be done with it, chump. Pass that suggestion on to your masters.

    Give that explanation to your bank next time they judge your credit as worthless and then blame them for not extending your credit as the cause for your bankruptcy. We will see how far that explanation gets you.

    Truly MSNBC worthy, Rutherford. Bravo! Bravo! I do give you ample credit for staying on message, no matter how fatuous the message. I just find it hard to swallow you could be that stupid.

  389. Eric Holder is more than just a disgrace. He’s a thief, a thug, a racist, and corrupt to the core. And his past history more than proved that before he ever took office. Thank you Marc Rich, the biggest known tax cheat in U.S. history at the time, defended then pardoned by Eric Holder and Bill Clinton.

    Reason #12,124 Obama has proven to be dangerous and grossly incompetent – his choice of friends, acquaintances and cabinet members.

  390. Since you leftist obviously flunked basic math, basic economics, and basic finance, let me introduce you to a wonderful suggestion – something you can swallow at your own speed – especially you Mr. Rutherford:

  391. Sorry for the absence R. Lots of Euro Futbol and something on this thread is giving me an error message every 5 comments.

    Sorry about your brother PF.

    Hey Alfie, here’s some math.
    2001 110,000 million private sector jobs.
    Add 11 years of tax cuts for the rich.
    2012. 110,000 million private sector jobs.
    Absolutely zero empirical evidence that tax cuts for the rich help anyone but rich people. Meanwhile, the deficit booms and infrastructure crumbles. We’re getting tinkled on, not trickled on.

    I prefer a President that doesn’t have to stand on a pile of Manhattan rubble or 3000 dead American civilians to make a speech.

  392. His army of morons are spreading the word that Bain was proof that he’s greedy and “evil.”

    I guess I haven’t said this in the comments thread before but depicting Bain as evil is the wrong strategy for the campaign. The fact that this meme is being undermined by Cory Booker, Ed Rendell, Harold Ford Jr. AND Bill Clinton demonstrates it’s the wrong way to go. In fact, for you short term memory afflicted, I came to Booker’s defense in a recent post.

    However, it is entirely legit to get underneath Romney’s claim of creating a crap load of jobs while running Bain.

    Funny your test of executive experience makes Palin a million times more qualified than Obama.

    What we learned from Palin is that any idiot can be Governor of Alaska. It’s a joke. I take that back … she couldn’t even hack it for more than half her term.

    Let’s see Sarah run California, New York or Massachusetts. Romney is FAR more qualified than Sarah. But that is damning by faint praise.

  393. Tex, regarding the downgrade, we’ve been down this road before. I’m not going to pull the quotes again but S&P explicitly cited the fight over the debt ceiling as one of the factors in their decision. It might also serve to remind you that they also based the downgrade on some miscalculations.

  394. Hey Alfie, here’s some math.
    2001 110,000 million private sector jobs.
    Add 11 years of tax cuts for the rich.
    2012. 110,000 million private sector jobs.

    Interesting concept. Let’s turn that on its head and make comparison of what big government proponents have not only wished for, but been granted.

    2001 National Debt – $5,674,178,209,886
    2012 National Debt – $15,774,397,651,221

    Accumulated Keynesian Debt approximately $10,100,200,000,000.00 or approximately $33,000 per person for all U.S. citizens since 2001.

    Private Jobs created? None.

    So did your family of four get there $132,000 worth of value, or would you have preferred that government simply deposit that amount in your family bank account? Because that is what your family of four now owes plus accumulated interest, per these big government proponents.

    P.S. – those evil Bush tax cuts per capita were directed far more towards the middle class by comparison, through sheer number. I guess that’s not important when marketing the passel of nanny government lies.

    You may have been led to believe that only individuals in the top two brackets will face higher federal income taxes when the Bush cuts go bye-bye. Not true! Unless Congress takes action and President Obama goes along, rates will go up for everyone — not just a sliver of the wealthiest Americans. The current six rate brackets of 10%, 15%, 25%, 28%, 33% and 35% will be replaced by five new brackets with the higher rates of 15%, 28%, 31%, 36% and 39.6%. Just a few months ago, it seemed like a safe bet that Congress would make a fix to keep the existing 10%, 15%, 25% and 28% rate brackets to help out lower and middle-income folks. That bet is now looking iffy.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/pf_article_110005.html

  395. Good old Emily O’Neil. So independent. So self sufficient. Not like all those other Americans who are lazy and irresponsible and buy designer handbags! And yes we know that everyone who works hard in high school and college lands a great job. Oh yes, it’s all so simple. If only all women could be like Emily.

    Well Tex, you just hit upon the solution to our problems. All you conservatives should start living like Emily, stop any reliance on the government and STFU. Since according to you most of the country is conservative, there should be a greatly reduced drag on our social structure if you all just behave like Emily. The government doesn’t have a gun to your head to rely on them. Be independent! Put the government out of business by reducing the demand!

    While we’re at it, make sure that all your conservative elected representatives stop asking for money from the government to fund their pet programs. Let’s start with farm subsidies.

    Yeah! Independence! I’m all for it. 😐

  396. I’m not going to pull the quotes again but S&P explicitly cited the fight over the debt ceiling as one of the factors in their decision.

    You mean the same S&P executives that gave Fannie Mae ‘AAA’ ratings in March 2008? You’ll forgive me if the S&P is a large part of a very large problem.

    Like I said. Should trouble befall you and you find yourself out of financial options due unpaid bills, tell the bank you need your credit further extended and see how far that gets you. I think you’re going to find suggestion number one is to cut your spending dramatically, then they might talk. 😉

  397. Well Tex, you just hit upon the solution to our problems. All you conservatives should start living like Emily, stop any reliance on the government and STFU. Since according to you most of the country is conservative, there should be a greatly reduced drag on our social structure if you all just behave like Emily. The government doesn’t have a gun to you head to rely on them. Be independent! Put the government out of business by reducing the demand!

    And just as soon as you and yours can convince Benevolent Barack that the only federal taxes we Conservatives will pay will be toward interstate roads and the military, I will happily STFU and remove myself from your midsts. 😉 Social Security will then be privatized, or not exist – states choose. You betcha. Get to work on that, will you, Rutherford?

    Until then, not only am I not going to STFU, but I’m going to keep pointing out just how mendacious and duplicitous you Leftists really are when it comes to anything of substance.

  398. thor, your interpretation of empirical evidence is misguided. I don’t have time to check employment numbers, but it doesn’t matter. Your error has nothing to do with employment numbers.

    2001 and 2012 are so dissimilar as to be almost meaningless if portrayed as twins used to reach conclusions over simply stated employment numbers. . For one thing, the sizes of the two economies are different. The crash is an anomoly you did not address. How many jobs did the economy have before 2008?

    You reached unsupportable conclusions about tax breaks for the rich based on your comments. It doesn’t mean you can’t, but you didn’t.

    Your last sentence was a nonsequitar with no discernable connection to your thesis.

    You are a smart man and capable of better. What’s the matter. Did England and France’s 1-1 half time score bum you out?

  399. LOL Tex I love how you like to have your cake and eat it too. You boast about how we got downgraded by S&P as an indictment against Obama and then in the next breath say S&P has no credibility.

    You’re really too much.

  400. R, I think this might be what you were remembering. They did adjust some numbers, but never retracted this statement, as some have falsely claimed on this blog. As Bern. noted the other day in his testimony, we are the only nation in the world that appropriates $5 in spending, raises $3 in revenue and then argues whether to pay the other two with debt, as if their is a choice about the latter. He added that we are set apart from Greece partly by our 200 + years track record of honoring our debts. Playing with that for political gain is reckless.

    “The political brinksmanship of recent months highlights what we see as America’s governance and policymaking becoming less stable, less effective, and less predictable than what we previously believed. The statutory debt ceiling and the threat of default have become political bargaining chips in the debate over fiscal policy.” – S&P

  401. LOL Tex I love how you like to have your cake and eat it too. You boast about how we got downgraded by S&P as an indictment against Obama and then in the next breath say S&P has no credibility.

    They have no credibility. I don’t argue that. That’s the point. The S&P should have downgraded us in 2008 with Bush’s outrageous entitlements and the fear of financial collapse. The downgrade was only postponed for fear of what it would do to world markets. The possibility of a downgrade had been talked about well back into the 90s, when Greenspan kept inflation at the same imaginary numbers as now.

    Which leads to my next question. You people were loathsome in your criticism of George Bush. You hated the man, actively rooted for our soldiers to be killed in war to arm yourselves with ammunition to savage Bush, called the military mercenaries, screamed no blood for oil.

    Why then do you not hate Obama, who has not only bought into the Bush Doctrine, but doubled down on it with both spending and sent even more soldiers to fight, including a 1000% increase in unmanned drone missions? Where’s your selective outrage now, Rutherford? Where’s Code Pink and Cindy Sheehan?

    You and yours are as credible as the S&P in my opinion. Because if the last decade has proven anything beyond a shadow of a doubt, our government cannot create a market and government spending creates nothing of lasting value. Keynesian economics has been an EPIC fail by any estimation.

  402. Thor and Rutherford have been the biggest proponents of more government. Since Thor has now accurately pegged the development of zero net jobs over the last ten years, all the while accumulating over $10 trillion in debt, perhaps Thor would care to explain how he can justify even more government debt to produce private sector jobs?

    The only thing you could be led to believe from his summation is that increasing taxes will lead to a net gain of newly created jobs in the private sector.

    Care to explain how, Thor?

  403. Thor … thanks .. that was indeed the money quote that you pulled out for me from S&P.

    Tex, don’t quite see how you can blame Obama if by your estimation the S&P finally came to their senses on his watch. By your estimation, they should have slammed Bush.

    Also, you are absolutely right. The lack of protest by the left against Obama’s military policies shows the height of hypocrisy, You’ll get no argument from me on that.

  404. BTW, I’ve started today taking a free sociology class offered by Princeton University. Only an hour into it and I’ve already read a paragraph that summarizes for me the conservative mental defect. 🙂

  405. The lack of protest by the left against Obama’s military policies shows the height of hypocrisy, You’ll get no argument from me on that.

    Undoubtedly, you don’t read well. Who was the President in 2008?

    You mention the war, but you fail to mention Obama’s spending. Being the big government proponent, why were you not complimentary of Bush for his largess? I must have missed all those compliments of your back in 2008, when you were calling Bush a war criminal. I assume Obama is also a war criminal?

  406. BTW, I’ve started today taking a free sociology class offered by Princeton University. Only an hour into it and I’ve already read a paragraph that summarizes for me the conservative mental defect.

    This is only for the Conservatives in the room.

    I apologize for saying Rutherford couldn’t get any more screwed up. I completely forget about Rutherford could enroll in some useless and leftist indoctrinated liberal arts class.

    Wish he would sign up for their “Free” economics class.

  407. “You mention the war, but you fail to mention Obama’s spending. Being the big government proponent, why were you not complimentary of Bush for his largess? I must have missed all those compliments of your back in 2008, when you were calling Bush a war criminal. I assume Obama is also a war criminal?”

    Ouch. That’ll leave a mark.

  408. Top Obama adviser David Axelrod gave this away on a Sunday show recently when he said the President had to be re-elected because we couldn’t afford to stay on our current course. Did Axelrod miss the past 3 years, when his boss occupied the most powerful office in the land?

    Obama is reduced to deploying the piddling in the service of the petty. He has put the full weight of his office behind a proposal meant mainly to highlight the personal wealth of his opponent. This is the famous Buffett rule.

    This is very clever–and very silly. The deficit last year was $1.3 trillion. With the Buffett rule in place, it would have been $1.295 trillion. Last year the tax credit for energy-efficient improvements to homes cost almost as much as the Buffett rule will raise annually ($4.7 billion on average).

    The President’s proposal for keeping a low interest rate on some college loans, at $6 billion next year, costs more. The Buffett rule is government by catchphrase.”

    President Catchphrase…. 😆 Apparently, even uber liberal Time Magazine editors get it approving this.

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2113177,00.html

  409. “I prefer a President that doesn’t have to stand on a pile of Manhattan rubble or 3000 dead American civilians to make a speech.”

    Yeah, a campaign speech in front of foam columns will do for Numbnutz.

    When it comes to tragedies, stick with the “shout outs” and inflammatory racial bias. 🙄

  410. Lol. Sociology. What an utter waste of time. I can just imagine the nausating posts we are in for. R, what are you, a B+ overachieving chick in her late teens? Take a basic econ classs. Im the second biggest dumb ass here and even I can’t have a basic conversation on economics with you.

  411. Yeah R, I’m dying to know. Is Obama a war criminal? Let me get this right. Gitmo made you very passionate until Obama was president. Now its ok. Dumping water o KSM bad, assassination of KSM while he eats breakfast with his little daughter (killing her in the process) good?

    You are huge fraud. A politics junky fan boy.

    Can you blame me for seeing you as a massive joke, considering the blog and what it had to say throughout the years? You are a meowing little house cat, tucked a way far from the world. MSNBC guides you through a sort of virtual cybor reality. The problem is you have been humiliated by your puppet masters. I bet you were pretty spineless in the corporate world. Your packed boxes made a few people smirk. There goes Rutherford, a fake motherfucker.

  412. Seems to me if these shysters from the Left like Bore are going to lambast Bush, well….

    …they better Bomba in that equation too.

    Family Net Worth Drops to Level of Early ’90s, Fed Says

    WASHINGTON — The recent financial crisis left the median American family in 2010 with no more wealth than they had in the early 1990s, erasing almost two decades of accumulated prosperity, the Federal Reserve said Monday.

    The median family, richer than half of the nation’s families and poorer than the other half, had a net worth of $77,300 in 2010, down from $126,400 in 2007, the Fed said. The crash of housing prices explained three-quarters of the loss.

    This vast loss of wealth was compounded by a loss of income, as the earnings of the median family fell by 7.7 percent over the same period.

    Because real estate prices have crumbled under Obama’s tutelage and the 2006-2010 Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi Congress, personal income squeezed, and an annualized growth rate of 1.9%.

    We better call in the business man who The Wonderful Willie Clinton called business record “sterling.” Seems like Willie also said the days of Big Government over with. Didn’t pan out that way.

    Community activism and big government apparently aren’t cutting it.

  413. It was Carter who brought us the Community Reinvestment Act. It was Clinton who brought us the Community Reinvestment Act on Steroids. It was Barney Frank who told us there was absolutely nothing wrong at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. It was Chris Dodd who told us the housing market was the safest investment out there. It was Al Sharpton who told us owning a home was a “Constitutional Right”, regardless of credit worthiness. It was again Chris Dodd and Barney Frank who brought us “no income”, “no assets”, “bad credit”, “zero down”, “no SSN” mortgages. It was ACORN and their attorney Barack Obama who intimidated lenders into making high risk sub-prime loans by picketing at lenders homes.

    In September 2003, Barney Frank, then the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee, opposed the Bush administration proposals for transferring oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac by creating an independent agency to supervise the GSEs.

    His reasons were more regulations would make it harder to buy homes for those who could not afford to pay back the loans, the poor. His argument was, “The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”

    Three months before the economic crash, Barney Frank publicly announced that concerns over Freddie & Fannie were unfounded.
    In 2007 and 2008, Citigroup gave Obama $736,771 for his presidential race, according to data collected by the Center for Responsive Politics.

    Obama got $126,349 from the two huge taxpayer-backed mortgage traders, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, between 1989 and 2004. Only Democratic Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd, who chaired the powerful Senate banking committee, got more cash from the two subprime lending giants.

    Once in the Senate himself, Obama joined with Dodd to block a 2005 bill that would have curbed Fannie Mae’s funding of the high-risk mortgage bubble. By 2005, nearly 20 percent of new U.S. mortgages were subprime loans.

    Rather than admitting that this was a major cause of the economic crash, the Democrats condemned Wall Street and big business and the previous administration, claiming that Bush’s administration opposed regulation.

    The family sector is doing fine…

    Give us more Solyndra!

  414. “…we are the only country in the world that appropriates $5.00 in spending, raises $3.00…” So, how do you explain southern European countries like Greece?

    We should be sending the $5.00 closer to $3.00 instead of the reverse.

    That is a stupid quote.

    R, you would understand why the comment is stupid if you took an economics instead of or in addition to a sociology course. I did read “The Lonely Crowd” At least the soc course gave me that. .

  415. My comments from the Emily ad bullet points:

    Good grades in high school – who paid for the school and her teacher’s salaries?
    private loans for college – from a bank that’s not FDIC Insured?
    private retirement fund – Did she take a tax deduction to put money into her IRA?
    fulltime job – she’s going to need at least minimum wage (set by the government), OSHA rules to make sure she stays safe. How about a 40 hour workweek? Overtime pay? (again, set by the government)
    money into savings account – again, non-FDIC Insured? What if her bank collapses? She’ll be completely broke.
    starts own business – I assume she registered her corporation so that she has limited liability (under the law)
    mortgage – Did she take the mortgage deduction off her taxes?
    So when Emily gets to retirement age, will she yell “Get your government hands off my medicare!”

  416. Trixie, most of what you listed are good things. Such government aid creates new wealth and has the potential of bringing more tax revenue.

    Medicare does not create wealth in the same way. It drains the economy and the nation’s treasury. Old people should have choices, and taught from childhood that the government doesn’t owe them life or good health. Private insurance should provide alternatives.

    Thus, Emily is justified in yelling “Get your government hands off my medicare!” It’s all she has, and her needs are more immediate than the gauzey image of destruction she in a small way will have helped cause.

  417. Didn;t watch the video. Just wondering though:

    “private loans for college – from a bank that’s not FDIC Insured?”

    Huh? Worried it might collapse and she owe nothing?

    “private retirement fund – Did she take a tax deduction to put money into her IRA?”

    Huh? IRA contributions are post-income tax. Where do I get one of these deductions on the contribution?

    “starts own business – I assume she registered her corporation so that she has limited liability (under the law)?”

    What do you reckon an online filing with your state’s SOS should require?

    “So when Emily gets to retirement age, will she yell “Get your government hands off my medicare!”

    Absurd. . . well unless she hadn’t paid into it, right?

  418. Good grades in high school – who paid for the school and her teacher’s salaries?

    Most likely her parents and millions of people like me and my wife who chose not to take advantage of a failed and godless public school system but paid for it anyway through COUNTY property taxes.

    private loans for college – from a bank that’s not FDIC Insured?

    Liberal academic institutions whose inflationary fees and expenses have exceeded twice that of health care inflation over the last 30 years.

    private retirement fund – Did she take a tax deduction to put money into her IRA?

    Not nearly enough to offset the 6.125% tax called social security that Emily will see cents on the dollar for return.

    fulltime job – she’s going to need at least minimum wage (set by the government), OSHA rules to make sure she stays safe. How about a 40 hour workweek? Overtime pay? (again, set by the government)

    Minimum wage will not begin to offset the $150K college loan required, is meaningless to a living wage, but it the standard job of college graduates from Obama school – busing tables and frying fries. In addition, one of out eight dollars of the total American economy is used to pay for some compliance or regulatory fee. Total cost – $1,750,000,000,000 per year.

    mortgage – Did she take the mortgage deduction off her taxes?

    By all means, feel free to phase mortgage interest out. Of course, that might likely ruin an already damaged and over built industry to the point of no return.

    So when Emily gets to retirement age, will she yell “Get your government hands off my medicare!”

    Most likely, Emily will never get the chance, being Medicare’s predicted insolvency in six years, though Emily will be taxed 1.45 of her total income with no return . 😉

    You were saying, Trixie?

  419. Tex if Obama’s war spending is off the books like Bush’s was then we can talk.

    So those 30,000 additional troops in Afghanistan were free, hey? Kind of a sunk cost?

    Did Bush build the jihadists a million dollar soccer field down at GITMO too? You know, GITMO? The one Obama was going to close due to its inhumanity?

  420. Did Bush build the jihadists a million dollar soccer field down at GITMO too?

    Nah. Invested in humongous base in Iraq, you know, the country we ‘liberated’. 😆

  421. BTW, Obama HAS been convicted of war crimes in international court, along with his predecessors. Travel the world with caution. 😉

  422. You guys don’t want to fix shit. You just want to score points and win.

    Why do we keep running up the deficit? That is not conservative. Why do we keep enacting legislation that no one even has a chance to read and discuss? That is not conservative. Nothing has been conservative for the past decade. How often do new things arise and change the way commerce is handled? Or how about the need to change the way anything is handled?

    Cut the paychecks of those ‘public servants’ in government. Why do they have the authority to keep hiring and paying salaries and pensions? Screw that. They can’t make their payments due. Hold these people to account. Let them see unemployment firsthand.

    What we have is business writing their own rules of engagement and purposeful entanglement of the market. Money drives this bitch. It is all used in controlling us and exploiting our labor. Forcing us to participate in this global ponzi scheme. Why?

    The government’s out of control. Checks and balance are gone. The global mob is running things. The money changers. The ones that think we are all here to serve them. They have forced their will upon the nations and peoples. The cabal. Call them what you like, Satan controls them, whether they are aware or not. That’s the side they are on.

    They have insulated themselves from us. They have been planning their moves for generations. Global dictatorship. And they are convinced they operate in the greater interest of saving the best of humanity – them. Kings and princes of the earth, they imagine. Anything goes if it moves the game piece in the that direction. We’re just farm animals. Cattle.

    Since the ‘Pearl Harbor event’, as 9/11 is referred, their phased plans have been implemented and they are moving rapidly forward. Pawns may need to be sacrificed in order to advance the game.

    But most of us are not even their pawns. We are merely taking up board space, often unaware of the moves that have been advancing. Wake up America!

    ZB’s The Grand Chessboard should be required reading. It does much to lay it out. These lands we’ve invaded have nothing to do with a terror threat. That’s hype. Marketing. Complete with blood sacrifice. This cartel instigates the terror threats and blames them on others, keeping themselves well-hidden behind the scenes, away from suspicion. They even pay people to sell out their own families and communities. It is a vast network. Global dominance the goal.

  423. The Buffett Rule makes for good politics, but it doesn’t make for good economics. And here’s why: 80 percent of American businesses file their taxes as individuals, as S corporations, partnerships, LLCs. So when you impose an alternative minimum tax like the Buffett Rule, for every one Warren Buffett you get, you get so many more successful small businesses, which are our job creators.

    So what if you separated them from those who are paying only 15 percent because of income from dividends or investment income?
    Then a slightly different but similar argument arises. We’ve always thought that the best tax policy—we’ve had bipartisan consensus on this—was tax capital income at a lower rate than ordinary income. Why is that? Ordinary income is guaranteed income. If you get a job that pays a salary, you’re going to get paid that salary. Capital income is risk-based income. Capital income is income you may not get because you’re taking a risk, you’re gambling on a business. If you tax capital at the rate of ordinary income, you’ll lower the return on risk and make it harder to take a risk. And what creates jobs is people taking risks.

    The second point I would make is, in many instances it’s already money that’s been taxed once before, such as dividends or capital gains. That money was taxed at 35 percent first, and then it’s taxed a second time around. … More to the point, this doesn’t raise much money at all. In fact, the president, as he iterates the Buffett Rule, it only pays for 6 percent of his deficit spending. He’s not even talking about doing this to close deficits. They’re talking about taking this money from risk-takers, from entrepreneurs, to spend in Washington.

    Is fairness a principle that appeals to you?
    Here’s where it appeals to me. Let’s take away their tax shelters. Let’s take away the loopholes. Let’s make it so that the top 1 percent, which parks, on average, over $300,000 per filer in a tax shelter, let’s take away those tax shelters so that all of their income is subject to taxation, so that they can’t shelter most of their income from taxation. That, to me, is a better way to go because that gives us the ability to lower rates for everybody.

  424. Well Poolman, even I, your humble correspondent, do question a 3/4 billion embassy in Iraq. Talk about hubris. That’s not an embassy – that’s a fort. That was throwing good money after bad. No argument there. But I would remind you 18 months of Planned Parenthood costs basically the same.

    You’re out of your mind if you don’t think I’m serious about cutting government spending to the bone. You can hack away anywhere you like, and you’re not going to hear anything but attaboys from me. But before we start whacking away at the military budget wish is first on your list I’m sure, why don’t we eliminate about five useless Depts. for grins, and weed out about 25,000,000 slackers off the food stamp rolls? That way, you can convince me you’re serious too about cutting.

    And you can start with the complete elimination of the Dept. of Education, Dept. of Energy and HUD. The embassy is mere child’s money compared to those POS.

  425. Wow poolman, that was a lot of “theys”. Do you know that the Chinks use the same symbol for oppurtunity as they do instability? There are plenty of ways to opt out of the ponzi scheme. But, of course, that would entail doing something. Buy gold and silver if you believe the things you say. Silver is 28 bucks an ounce. Buy an ounce a week. You could pick up cans off the park grounds and end up with 300 ounces in a couple years.

  426. Tex, I’m with Ron Paul and eliminating the departments. He doesn’t want to pull rug out from the people, but those on the government’s dole had better shape up and put some skin in the game. The folks I am talking to are good with RP – IF he changes his FP. Fuck that. That’s a major reason we’re where we are at.

    I was at a pool party yesterday afternoon and there were 3 army and one air force new recruits. 1 was going into drone ‘survellance’ and 1 some kind of cyber shit. We had a very civil discussion. They were all excited. These kids haven’t a clue – yet. 😐

    I’m on that silver train, rabbit. Gold is out of my budget. There are some local currencies gaining support in this neck of the woods. I expect the fed to retaliate sometime soon. I don’t know if we will make it till November, but IF we do, things should be very different.

    Keeping the GOP honest (it’s a constant battle 😉 )…

  427. Had approximatley 30oz. of gold, sold at $380oz. profit, don’t have the balls to get back in.

    $1,600 an ounce is some semi-serious bling anymore. Don’t know why? Didn’t seem so expensive at $1,200.00. 😐

    I just got this bad feeling about this summer and fall.

  428. @ thor 507…not sure why you aimed that one at me. porque?

    Because he’s an asshole and critic without solutions – epitome of Obama waterboy and Axelrod cocksucker, repeating the same lies and bullshit. A coward from a family of cowards.

    9/11 was Bush’s fault after all, Alfie. Never mind Bush’s orders led to the annihilation of Al Qaeda on Iraqi soil. In Thor’s cowardly world, drone strikes are the ultimate in courage.

  429. “BTW, I’ve started today taking a free sociology class offered by Princeton University. Only an hour into it and I’ve already read a paragraph that summarizes for me the conservative mental defect.”

    Rutherford – Don’t take this as a backhanded slap; I mean it sincerely. I really, really try to see all sides of the argument, but honestly I just do not understand how good, honest people with their eyes open – and for the record I put you in that category – can come up with the points of view that define the Left. Jesus Christ, man, we have been through this socialist experiment literally at least a dozen times and it has failed as reliably as an oatmeal sledge hammer. You genuinely baffle me sometimes; the only part that makes some sense is when you imply, well I know that doesn’t make any sense but it’s what I believe.

    On another front, back from Cleveland. Thanks for all the well-wishes, everybody. Bro in a “skilled nursing facility” and doing OK. Man, I figured that hard head would cost him someday and it surely has. To answer your question, Tex, he’s eighty – he was 21 when I was born. He had a minor stroke during heart surgery about ten years ago and developed seizures from it, but continued to drive despite all advice to the contrary. Ohio does not provide for revoking drivers licenses of seizure patients. Wrecked his truck with his wife in it (probably had the cruise control on, so went in at 70 mph) and killed her, screwed himself up, etc. Continued to drive after that! Finally stopped driving after his kids had a shit-fit. Continued to totter around his house, fell multiple times and ended up where he is, after 24/7 care at home became untenable for his kids and his finances. I think often of what Catherine Hepburn said about old age’s not being for sissies. Wife and son just got back from Bonnaroo; one of the performers was Kenny Rogers. I think often about his line that the best you can hope for is to die in your sleep.

  430. I’m sorry Pfessor.

    Several people were writing about motorcycles days back. On Sunday a local man crashed his motorcycle and was med evaced to a city hospital. He has been in a coma since the accident on Sunday afternoon. Gossip hasn’t told us if the coma is induced or not. A sudden thunderstorm might have caused the accident.

    “You genuinely baffle me sometimes…”NOP is my answer.The remaining members of the brain trust and I were on fairly good terms, as you wrote. NOP and I agreed about several subjects. She was one of the few who wrote I should stay when the resident fools tried to vote me off the site. .It was artifice. She was hardwired to respond to stimulus like Pavlo’s dogs.

    Everything was fine until I showed how Obama’s reaction to the flood revealed him to be an uncaring jerk, though I didn’t use those words. Like the dogs, she salivated and attacked my concept of the flood. It was just a hang nail, and she mocked our flood, because if Obama didn’t care, she shouldn’t care.The government would fix everything. People are still living with the aftermath of the hang nail. Thousands of acres of land are still a sandy wasteland and provide no hope of income without more thousands of dollars of work.

    The precipitating event came after one of the denizens claimed I must be a failed farmer who over worked his family. I set her straight, and NOP erupted because it was terrible that I would discuss my success when so many people were suffering in the bad economy. Once again, she revealed herself to be a hard -wired socialist who irrationally salivated with the proper stimulus.

    Such people are hard to change because they have invested their identities in ideology. There is hope for some.

    Public television had a debate over Obama’s and the Republicans’ economic policies. A pre -show poll showed a majority favored Obama’s version by a wide margin. A majority favored the Republicans’ theories after the debate. The show illustrated how, in spite of lost NOPs millions of people can learn to understand the real world. I still have hope for Rutherford.

  431. Pfessor, Im sorry about your bro.

    By the way, and I realize I’m probably being naive, but I don’t want a sudden, painless death. I would rather know and slowly fizz out. For one, I could say my good byes. Secondly, it gives the oppurtunity to set a great example for my boys. Take death stoically like Marcus A. talks about in Meditations..

  432. The show illustrated how, in spite of lost NOPs millions of people can learn to understand the real world. I still have hope for Rutherford.

    I used to be that way, James. Not anymore. Rutherford is a product of a lifetime of indoctrination of lies that plays on emotion and entitlement. It would take a real personal epiphany for Rutherford to change – something very personal; because the facts when presented are brushed away as easily as any Fat Grannies’ rube.

    I consider Rutherford at heart, a leftist reactionary. I give Rutherford credit for at least considering he could be wrong, but the conclusion is still predetermined and set before the discussion even starts.

    While I like Brother “R” for the most part when he’s not playing punk, find him well written and sometimes reasoned like his stances on abortion and war, in the end Rutherford will predictably come to the same progressive conclusions as the Fat Grannies crowd you reference. I do give Rutherford credit for sometimes admitting the duplicity and utter hypocrisy of his crowd.

    Rutherford is simply the more likable, fun guy, better written and better educated. One can converse with Rutherford, unlike 99% of the dolts who mouth talking points at FG. However, that doesn’t change the fact that Rutherford is invariably of the wrong side of what is good for America equation – just like Fat Grannies.

  433. I consider Rutherford at heart, a leftist reactionary. I give Rutherford credit for at least considering he could be wrong, but the conclusion is still predetermined and set before the discussion even starts.

    This for me is the heart of the matter. Has anyone ever met an open minded Leftist? I can pop in and out of most any blog and with not a great deal of effort, find a Conservative willing to talk openly and fairly, Not all are that way but many, But a Leftist being open minded, fair, willing to take honest stock of the things they believe in and consider dissenting opinions is unheard of. As you stated, they feign openness, but it is all a ruse as their opinion is already formed and no amount of evidence presented will change their mind. I wouldn’t so much care about the changing of their mind if they were at least willing to stay on topic and discuss the evidence we bring without resorting to some one liner or other intellectually dishonest trick.

    You would think Rutherford would be acutely aware how damaging closed minded people can be.

  434. Gitmo made you very passionate until Obama was president. Now its ok. Dumping water o KSM bad, assassination of KSM while he eats breakfast with his little daughter (killing her in the process) good?

    Here we go attacking Fantasy Rutherford again. Rabbit, this may be hard for you to grok but I’m me, not a generic stand-in for your notion of what a liberal is.

    Find any quote from me in the past five years of blogging that shows I’m passionate about GITMO. You can’t. I don’t lose a minute of sleep over it. Never have. Do I think indefinite detainment at Gitmo is a problem, damn right Skippy. But passionate? Hardly. And again … YOUR party interfered with the closing of Gitmo. Obama didn’t change his mind about it.

    You also know full well that I’ve been concerned about Obama doubling down on Bush practices. I think Alacki (however you spell it) SHOULD have been taken out. He was a douche. His 16 year old son? That’s another question entirely.

    I bet you were pretty spineless in the corporate world. Your packed boxes made a few people smirk. There goes Rutherford, a fake motherfucker.

    So do I ignore this bit of “commenting while hung over” or do I address it? I guess you have to define “spineless”. I picked my fights carefully. I advocated for a deaf employee of mine for a promotion that the powers that be didn’t want him to get simply because he was deaf. I won that fight. As a manager, I typically sided with my people vs my fellow managers. Didn’t win me lots of friends among the management. However I was also pretty by-the-book. I didn’t buck the system just for the sake of bucking it. Call that spineless if you like.

    Bottom line Rabbit, had I really been spineless, I’d still have the job today. It was my pissing off an incompetent superior that got me targeted for the next layoff.

    Now it’s your turn. How many times have you boldly veered off the very specific curriculum you are forced to teach your students? How many times have you taught them sh*t you didn’t believe, or where your heart wasn’t into it? Sometimes collecting a paycheck involves some flexibility in the spine.

  435. Tigre, your response to Trixie made no sense. Let’s take it apart bit by bit.

    “private loans for college – from a bank that’s not FDIC Insured?”

    Huh? Worried it might collapse and she owe nothing?

    No, you’ve missed a step, An uninsured bank can go under and no longer be able to offer college loans. The FDIC helps to ensure bank solvency.

    “private retirement fund – Did she take a tax deduction to put money into her IRA?”

    Huh? IRA contributions are post-income tax. Where do I get one of these deductions on the contribution?

    You’re confusing a ROTH IRA with a simple IRA. Why do you think IRA “brokers” start pestering you right before April 15 to make your contribution? It’s a write-off.

    “starts own business – I assume she registered her corporation so that she has limited liability (under the law)?”

    What do you reckon an online filing with your state’s SOS should require?

    Cryptic at best. What are you getting at? Corporate and LLC laws protect business owners. Without this regulation, Emily runs her business at great risk. But she don’t need no gov regulations cos she’s independent.

    “So when Emily gets to retirement age, will she yell “Get your government hands off my medicare!”

    Absurd. . . well unless she hadn’t paid into it, right?

    Yes someone enjoying their Medicare payments demanding that the gov keep their hands off it is absurd indeed. It was one of most laughable moments in Tea Party history.

    Emily is a smug Fox poster girl who deserves to be b-slapped.

    BTW, when is Emily going to get married and have kids? Some conservative she is!!! 😆

    Then again she might not want to have kids since most hospitals receive some government funding.

  436. Don’t you love it when we talk about you as if you weren’t here, Rutherford?

    Tex believes you might find an epiphany–“something very personal.” Otherwise though sometimes clouds part long enough to let you understand the world as it is, you will probably remain tied to your ideology and rationalize its failures until the end. He is probably right, but I still have hope.

    I compared Poolman’s pre -Tea Party Ron Paul fundraisers to Louie Louie, so I will now link you to a country–Ukraine. Ukrainians have a long and often tragic history, but they are strong and determined to make the most of what they have.

    Its people live with many challenges especially the aftermath of Soviet rule. In many ways, though they understand the benefits of a market economy, it is hard to let go of what they were taught for generations.

    Euro 2012 is a big deal. Ukrainians need to show off their country as a tourist attraction and as a modern nation for future economic gain. . Years of socialism and neglect made their transportation infrastructure too creaky for prime time. The government payed for renovation, but they realized they had another serious problem. Few hotels were available to house the fans.

    What to do? A “very personal” exisential moment was at hand.The Ukrainian government faced a choice with only one workable solution. It lowered taxes to encourage people to construct hotels and other housing..

    Someday, I think you, unlike many prisoners of the left will face such a moment and make a decision as the Ukrainians did.

  437. I don’t know which is the better way to die. I have “known” death was over within seconds during a car wreck or in a private plane. There was no soul searching, no real fear or reflection, only immediate reaction.

    I also thought I had lieukemia in the service and a doctor told me to wind up my affairs twenty years ago. Again, there was little for reflection or sadness. I was too engrossed in my job, which was to leave no loose ends.

    My father was medically dead, and I chose to revive him against doctors’ orders. They thought he would wake up as a vegetable since he had not been breathing and his heart was not beating for an unknown time.

    He woke up, and his mind was fine. I asked my father what he experienced in his near death state–any shining lights etc. His answer was “nothing.”

  438. I think it’s a shame that just because an ad has R&B music it is suddenly aimed at black people. I listened to the ad and it could have run on any station. There was NOTHING black-specific about the ad. Last time I looked, white folks liked R&B too.

    But it just goes to show how racist the society still is. Watch a predominately black TV show (like any show on the now defunct UPN) and notice the McDonalds ad full of black people or the KFC ad full of black people. As though blacks will only buy a product if they see other blacks using it.

    We’re so deep in the divide, we will never get out. Tragic really.

  439. James, while it was a VERY personal decision, I salute your refusal to pull the plug on your father. We have made doctors Gods. Sometimes they get it wrong.

    I have a question James … honest not loaded … when your Dad said he experienced nothing near death, did it shake your faith at all?

    When I stopped breathing in a hospital ER six years ago, at first I had a mild nightmare that is hard to explain in words. Once the nightmare was over I recall having a very peaceful feeling. Next thing you know, I woke up with a feeding tube down my throat, attached to a ventilator and catheter stuck up my partner in crime.

  440. The media promotes the divide, Rutherford. It is what they do and it has worked very well, as you note.

  441. I love how “open mindedness” is equal to changing your mind. LOL If that is the only proof of open mindedness then very very few people pass the test, liberal or conservative.

    I consider open mindedness to be the willingness to discuss and entertain an opposing view. It may or may not lead to a change of mind.

  442. Some days I am more than ready to leave this messed up world. Other days I am ready to battle it head on. Bring it on! I know there is much more I am meant to do here, so I am renewed in purpose and strength every morning. With some prayerful preparation, I’m often anxious and ready to face all the challenges that present. At the end of the day I can look back and see progress.

    I have memories from my youth in Hawaii, swinging a machete to clear a path through jungle. That is a vision I still apply to much of this journey. The best approach is often head on.

  443. All right R. I was just bustng your balls about your former career. I did it for shock value.
    You are so full of shit when it comes to Gitmo. Go back to your own damn blog. Better yet, go back to your comments. Looks like I will be having some fun this evening.

    Now house cat, you never did answer? Is Obama a war criminal? Or are you such a partisan fruit, that kind of anti american copperhead shit only applies to the other side of the aisle.

  444. The rule of law is rapidly breaking down at the top levels of our government. As officers of the court, we have sworn to “support the Constitution,” which clearly implies an affirmative commitment on our part.

    Take the administrations of George W. Bush and Barack Obama. The conservative American Bar Association sent three white papers to President Bush describing his continual unconstitutional policies. Then and now civil liberties groups and a few law professors, such as the stalwart David Cole of Georgetown University and Jonathan Turley of George Washington University, have distinguished themselves in calling out both presidents for such violations and the necessity for enforcing the rule of law.

    Sadly, the bulk of our profession, as individuals and through their bar associations, has remained quietly on the sidelines. They have turned away from their role as “first-responders” to protect the Constitution from its official violators.

    As a youngster in Hawaii, basketball player Barack Obama was nicknamed by his schoolboy chums as “Barry O’Bomber,” according to the Washington Post. Tuesday’s (May 29) New York Times published a massive page-one feature article by Jo Becker and Scott Shane, that demonstrated just how inadvertently prescient was this moniker.

    http://nader.org/2012/05/30/obama-at-large-where-are-the-lawyers/

  445. All those who have sworn an oath to support the constitution are not doing their job. It apparently is easier to ignore and go with the flow, even if that flow is a down spiraling flush. Man up!

  446. Poolman, your American rants are so over the top sometimes, I can’t even follow along with the train wreck. As you are aware, the reason I disdain you and I wholly believe with the vision of the Founding Fathers’ America, we would hang a traitor and vicious slanderer like you from the neck in the public square, or revoke your citizenship. But you would never be allowed to see this country again. What you practice is not freedom of speech, but libel.

    Having said that…

    I’m not going to spend an hour of my life watching your American conspiracy videos.

    So let me ask you a simple question. Are you accusing the United States of stoking the war in Syria, and Assad is being victimized by us and the evil Joooos?

    Surely not…

  447. Rutherford said……………….
    love how “open mindedness” is equal to changing your mind. LOL If that is the only proof of open mindedness then very very few people pass the test, liberal or conservative.

    I consider open mindedness to be the willingness to discuss and entertain an opposing view. It may or may not lead to a change of mind.

    Prior to this I had said………..
    I wouldn’t so much care about the changing of their mind if they were at least willing to stay on topic and discuss the evidence we bring without resorting to some one liner or other intellectually dishonest trick.

    Miss a post or what…….?

  448. Noah I think intellectual dishonesty is in the eyes of the beholder. I usually “resort to one liners” when I consider the comment I’m responding to utterly insane and absurd.

    I think if an objective party reviewed our exchanges they would conclude that I’ve made an honest effort to answer questions you’ve posed to me. Just because you don’t like the answers or the answers prompt more questions on your part, is quite beside the point.

  449. Ya guess you missed the post where you went off about something I had already addressed then parroted my response.

    In other news. In an interview yesterday, Obama was surprised to hear that small business owners feel ObamaCare is hurting them. How out of touch is that?

  450. Getting back to Obama being a war criminal … the biggest liability of the Executive branch is setting precedents that future presidents would prefer not to reverse because they don’t like giving up additions to their bag of tricks.

    In this case, George W. Bush opened up a whole new frontier of what is “legal” for a President to do. The consequence is the near impossibility of getting that genie back in the bottle. I wish Obama had the moral fortitude to completely reject the precedent. Alas, he does not.

  451. Thanks Rutherford. A doctor said later that I was right. They should have considered that my father was unusual. He was a tough old bird.

    My aunt nearly died during gall bladder surgery, and she had a vision of herself in Heaven. She saw her husband, parents and some other people. It was so wonderful and peaceful she wanted to stay. They reminded her she had three children to raise, and she had to go home. Then, she woke up.

    My aunt’s experience was the main reason I asked the question. It did not hurt my faith because I believe experiences like my aunts are nourishment starved neurons reacting to impending death. Besides, one Biblical version is that when we die we are dead with no awareness, and we remain in that state until Jesus returns,.

    Some other events did unsettle me. One of my father’s desires was to see the crop year through. He had helped harvest until he was 94. In later years while my wife and I still worked, my father walked down the lane to check on us or to deliver sandwiches.

    My father died two hours after our son’s sixteenth birthday. In late September I was changing combine heads. It was late evening, and my wife and children were not yet home from school. As I eased the combine up to the bean head, someone stepped from the brush and gave me hand signals to help fit the two machines together. His had motions reminded me of how my father used to do it.

    After I had fitted the combine and grain head together, I got out, expecting to visit with a neighbor. I was alone. A few nights later, I was combing near the Missouri River, on an isolated farm, at least five miles from another human being. It was about midnight, and very dusty. I stopped at the end of a row and prepared to remove bean straw which had accumulated on the reel. Someone was down there doing the job my father usually did. The dust was so thick, I could barely discern the outline of the man and his bib overalls illuminated in combine lights.

    I climbed out of the combine, and of course, I was alone.

    My father had liked “Runaround” by Blues Traveler. Later that fall, as I dumped the last load of the harvest into a wagon, “Runaround” played on the radio.

    I have attributed the song to coincidence and the rest to my mind’s replaying familiar scenes. Another incident was harder to explain. At 11PM a few years later, a light bobbed up and down the lane as I approached. I thought it was my wife with a sandwich. The light stopped ahead of me, but when I got close, it blinked out. I saw the light again and my wife thought I was crazy. Two years later, she rode around with me because she was waiting to unload corn into the bin.

    We both saw the light bobbing down the lane and watched it stop straight ahead until we approached. It was fun saying “I told you so!” Two more years passed. Our daughter was home from college, and she said she would bring us some sandwiches. The light reappeared, and we assumed it was our daughter. Then, we saw a second light about fifty feet behind the first.The first light stopped in front of us as the others had.

    This time, it was our daughter. We asked who was behind her. “No one.” We told her we saw a second light which never reached us. It was fun watching her freak out.

    My father walked over three miles in a severe blizzard when he was 47, because he was afraid the furnace would malfunction and my mother and brother might be stranded in an unheated house. My aunt and uncle called to tell my mother he was on his way. She left all of the lights on to guide him.

    My father was nearly dead when he arrived, and my mother dragged him into the house and put him in a tub of warm water.

    My father required 24 hour care in his last year, so he and I got pretty close. He missed my mother terribly. One morning, he said ” I got a little closer last night.” He had dreamed about the blizzard. This happened several times before he died, and each time, he was pleased that he was getting closer.

    Another odd thing happened when my father entered the hospital for the last time. For two years, when he needed something, he called out to me in the night, and I did what I needed to do. My father had been in the hospital for two days, but I heard “JIMMIE!!!” My wife and I both woke because the voice was so loud. I got up without thinking because of habit.
    Our children were standing outside of our bedroom door because they had heard the voice upstairs.

    I’m sorry for such a long answer Rutherford. I got carried away. None of this made my doubt my religion, but I had some misgivings about trusting my perceptions.

  452. Tex,

    If you are referring to Michel Chossudovsky in the the Global Research video, then yes, I believe it completely accurate. He is always certain to say he doesn’t know when he truly doesn’t.

    I’ve discovered he is probably one of the most unbiased researchers/journalists I have ever encountered.

    There are plenty of independent journalists that confirm those accounts. Syria has plenty of independents. Like Libya, some have been intentionally killed for their reporting.

    I really don’t care what you think. I don’t believe the Mainstream media, especially when it comes to the war on terror and other propaganda.

    Google General Wesley Clark – the plan. It all fits nicely and as foretold.

  453. I’m confused, Rutherford. Were you not just praising Obama’s track record on the war on terror? I’m just so….cough…shocked that after all your calls for an arrest of Cheney you are now willing to vote for a war criminal. Hell, I seem to remember you lecturing us that we are forgetting our American values because we felt a jury trial for terrorists wasn’t a good idea. Yup. We were thugs and brutes. But, you went from mirandizing terrorists to assasinating them in cold blood (even American citizens) in just 25 months?

  454. Rabbit, I’m going to get subtle on your ass at the risk of being accused of “intellectual dishonesty”. The War on Terror, a game you boys invented that I NEVER supported is still the big deal foreign policy wise. When I “praise” Obama for it, I’m simply saying that he is excelling at the game you guys want him to play … and don’t really want him to win at.

    With the cynicism setting hiked up to 11 (h/t to Spinal Tap’s Nigel Tufnel) I submit Romney will use the same tactics established by Bush, and embraced by Obama. Thanks to Dick Cheney, we’re all war criminals now. We have a new norm. That’s how I can pull the lever for a war criminal this fall.

  455. R, that was fun, but you need to tell sweat cheeks to chill out. It’s not my fault she’s not so bright and can’t keep up…

  456. R, you don’t think that ad was directed at blacks? Are you really that dense? 🙄

    Maybe gottavote.com is for you!

    I would’ve thought you’d be insulted. But there again Obama can do no wrong. In any event, he’s got your back bro. . . or is it the other way around? Oh, hell, who cares? Solidarity!

    I love when you play dumb. . . or at least I think you’re playing. 😆

    As for the video, you’re just being a tool. I thought it was a cool story. You would try to diminish it. Too rhetorically proximate to something?

    The dude wouldn’t qualify as a hero in your or Hayes’ book anyway. Give it a rest.

  457. Rutherford,

    Are you ever insulted that Poolman just accused your President, your administration, and our military of assisting in the murdering Syrians in cold blood? Literally walking in, and gunning down small children? Does that in any way make your blood run cold that we allow traitors in our midst like that?

    Now if I had my druthers, next on the hit list would be Poolman. But that’s another topic. No, I’m not kidding. I wish they would hit him with a 50 caliber just for grins and send me pictures so I could celebrate.

  458. The War on Terror, a game you boys invented that I NEVER supported is still the big deal foreign policy wise. When I “praise” Obama for it, I’m simply saying that he is excelling at the game you guys want him to play … and don’t really want him to win at.

    With the cynicism setting hiked up to 11 (h/t to Spinal Tap’s Nigel Tufnel) I submit Romney will use the same tactics established by Bush, and embraced by Obama. Thanks to Dick Cheney, we’re all war criminals now. We have a new norm. That’s how I can pull the lever for a war criminal this fall.

    One wonders what Rutherford would have thought of Harry Truman’s motives if Dick Cheney was a war criminal

    If Rutherford really had any scruples and was honest about war criminals, then he should immediately discard Obama too and write in a vote for some pacifist.

  459. The Wall Street Journal reported that e mails show how the Obama administration bought the phamacutical industry’s support for Obamacare at tax payer’s expense. A future Supreme Court decision threatens the law. Someone in the administration leaked operational secrets which endangered our security.

    The average family has lost a chunk of net worth in the past three years.Our deficit has doubled in a year. Russia threatens to energize the cold war, and China is acting aggressive in Southeast Asia. Eric Holder may be censured. The Delphi employee’s lawsuit has finally reached the discovery phase. Those people accuse the Obama administration of illegally reducing their pension plan by up to 70% during the GM bail out. As I quoted last week, research has shown that Obama unwittingly helped destroy Chicago’s housing market before the nation wide crash. The EU crisis which is partly connected to the US housing bubble continues. The Democrats have released an ad which Rutherford wrote was condescending and aimed toward steriotypical blacks. They are also on the wrong side of the public employees unions’ dispute with tax payers.OWS has been a dismal failure.

    None of this looks good for the president, and a few records of his past achievements raise no confidence either.

    Why can anyone posting here vote for Obama? Would you liberals vote for a Bush with this kind of record? You are able to complain about Republican short comings and you can argue theoretical issues, but why would you vote for Obama? Please tell us what wonderful things Obama has achieved which counterbalance the events now closing in on all of us

    We know of people who say their vote for Obama was a mistake. Has anyone met someone who believes he/she regrets voting for McCain?

    I suspect you are locked in an ideological prison.

  460. Rutherford, did you actually call for Cheney’s arrest? “Say it ain’t so!”

    That premise means Obama is also a war criminal because he makes a list, and checks it twice before people die.If he killed bin ladin, he killed those other people too. If you vote for a war criminal, it implies approval and makes you complicate.

  461. (ABC News) — President Obama’s re-election campaign has spent weeks trying to drive home the point that Massachusetts was at the back of the pack in job growth under Gov. Mitt Romney. Now, a new campaign TV ad touts a stat on which Romney’s state surged to the front — per capita debt.

    “Number One,” a 30-second spot, claims Massachusetts debt grew $2.6 billion during Romney’s tenure between 2003 and 2007 to $18 billion, or $4,153 per person, according to Moody’s 2007 State Debt Medians cited in the ad.

    Ahem….

    The Treasury Department says the deficit grew by $124.6 billion in May. That put the deficit through the first eight months of the budget year at $844.5 billion, or 8.9 percent below last year’s imbalance for the same period.

    124.6 / 2.6 = 47.923

    Obama deficit spending was nearly 50 times more in ONE MONTH than Romney’s in FOUR YEARS.

    Epic Fail.

  462. That was beautiful, Gorilla. Every Sandi snort, consider that another bat shoved up her leftist rectum. Snnnorrrt….she needs some Afrin, Rutherford.

    By the way, Sandi either is grossly incompetent and uninformed (like Obama) which I suspect, or she has an incredibly poor memory.

    The money spent on the recall election in Wisconsin (which Rutherford again misquoted the Wisconsin stats which I provided here and he conveni