The N.R.A. Poster You Will Never See

The National Rifle Association (NRA) guards our 2nd Amendment rights with great virtue and patriotism. Yet somehow, I doubt the photo above would ever be used on one of their posters. The person pictured is Guardian and The Nation contributor Gary Younge who covered the recent NRA convention in St. Louis, Missouri. He described his experience to Chris Hayes this past weekend on “Up with Chris Hayes“.

Younge encountered folks who you would find quite decent and pleasant so long as the topic wasn’t guns. Once guns was the focus, there was a pronounced paranoia regarding whites being the target of an insurgent black America. A persistent theme was the need to have a gun because the threat to personal safety was ever-present. There was also the completely irrational notion that the federal government, led by Obama, was coming to take your guns away. As Younge points out, this fear flies in the face of Obama’s failing grade with gun control groups.

When you couple Younge’s observations of racial paranoia with the paucity of blacks at the NRA convention, you get the distinct impression that whites with guns represents a free nation while blacks with guns represents this:

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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292 thoughts on “The N.R.A. Poster You Will Never See

  1. Speaking of NRA…

    An aide to the former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi visited the Bishop of the Catholic cathedral in D.C.. He told the Cardinal that Nancy Pelosi would be attending the next day’s Mass, and he asked if the Cardinal would kindly point out Pelosi to the congregation and say a few words that would include calling Pelosi a saint.

    The Cardinal replied, “No. I don’t really like the woman, and there are issues of conflict with the Catholic Church over certain views of Pelosi’s.”

    Pelosi’s aide then said, “Look, I’ll write a check here and now for a donation of $100,000 to your church if you’ll just tell the congregation you see Pelosi as a saint.”

    The Cardinal thought about it and said, “Well, the church can use the money, so I’ll work your request into tomorrow’s sermon.”

    As Pelosi’s aide promised, Nancy Pelosi appeared for the Sunday worship and seated herself prominently at the forward left side of the center aisle.
    As promised, at the start of his sermon, the Cardinal pointed out that Nancy Pelosi was present.

    The Cardinal went on to explain to the congregation, “While Nancy Pelosi’s presence is probably an honor to some, the woman is not numbered among my personal favorite personages. Some of her most egregious views are contrary to tenets of the Church, and she tends to flip-flop on many other issues. Nancy Pelosi is a petty, self-absorbed hypocrite, a thumb sucker, and a nit-wit. Nancy Pelosi is also a serial liar, a cheat, and a thief. I must say, Nancy Pelosi is the worst example of a Catholic I have ever personally witnessed. She married for money and is using her wealth to lie to the American people. She also has a reputation for shirking her Representative obligations both in Washington, and in California. The woman is simply not to be trusted.”

    The Cardinal concluded, “But, when compared with President Obama, Nancy Pelosi is a saint .”

  2. Congratulations Rutherford
    You are on the first page (#8) on Google, when you type in Younge + NRA. Should pick you up some interesting comments.

    Tex, that was priceless!!!!

  3. When you couple Younge’s observations of racial paranoia with the paucity of blacks at the NRA convention, you get the distinct impression that whites with guns represents a free nation while blacks with guns represents this:

    Ironic to be lectured about the paranoia of the NRA from a man who believes in the virtue and definition of a “hate crime.” Only it doesn’t count if it’s the white guy the victim because white guys got both “power & prejudice,” unless of course the white guy is queer, then the rule of hate crime can apply. 😈 That’s some fine liberal thinking.

    As a white guy, it doesn’t bother for Elmer “Shabazz” Fudd to own a load of semi automatic weapons, as long as when I put one between his eyes from about a hundred yards away with a good deer rifle, the same rule of law and equal justice applies.

    And as long as you don’t get bent Rutherford when some lily white guy takes to the street screaming, “I hate Niggers. I hate every iota of Niggers. We’re going to have to start killing Nigger babies!” blah blah blah….” and don’t get paranoid about it. Or a couple of Aryan Brothers in full garb stand by the voting booth with bats in their hands and our Attorney General finds no voter intimidation worth addressing. 🙂

    See how that double standard works?

  4. Raji … I was 8 with a bullet (pardon the pun). I’m now at #4. Unfortunately Google autocorrects Younge to Young so anyone doing the search has to make sure to be specific.

    I’m shocked Google indexed the article that quickly. Compliments to WordPress … they must have some “in”.

    Tex, I think I’ve read that Pelosi as saint joke before. Yes, it’s amusing.

  5. Tex I can hit #3 in more detail later but a quick correction …. in a recent post I declared my divorce from the rhetoric of “hate crime”. You need to do better research before you attack the author. 😉

  6. Well Brother “R”…that is a surprise. And no I don’t remember you divorcing yourself from that idiocy, mainly because it is not your habit to divorce yourself from liberal idiocy. I thought your disease was congenital.

    Then I humbly prostrate myself before you asking your forgiveness, and congratulate you on your possible path to finally obtaining one ounce of wisdom. 😉

  7. I agree, Rutherford. Being the professionals that they are, the NRA would never publish something like that.

    The second guy has his fingers on the triggers, marking him as a complete amateur in the proper handling of firearms. Publishing a picture like that would damage the NRA’s reputation for promoting gun safety.

    Your point is well-taken.

  8. We Americans do love and idolize our guns. That is one thing this nation can rightfully claim. Number one in guns. We’ve way more guns than people. We got killing shit down to a science. Pro-life, my ass.

    Interesting coincidence that Breivik’s trial began today.

    Just peruse the headlines and see how integrated guns are in our modern world. There are no racial divides. Bullets are colorblind. And, as we know, many more of these incidents don’t get publicized.

    Ask a veteran. One of them takes his own life every 80 minutes.

  9. Since we are digging up old jokes, I like this one better.

    A priest, an OWS protester and Rush Limbaugh are flying on a small plane when they run into trouble. The pilot apologizes, saying they’ll have to jump for it, but unfortunately there are only 3 parachutes. He mumbles something about a wife and kids at home, then straps on a chute, opens the door and jumps.

    Rush stands up, shouts, “This is an outrage. Obviously that man was a selfish liberal.” He then grabs the second parachute and explains, “I, on the other hand, am not selfish but merely realistic. Being the smartest, most important man in the world, well, it would be a devastating loss to humanity for me to die in a plane crash.” He straps on the chute and jumps out the door.

    With one chute remaining, the priest turns to the protester. “I am an old man. You are young, the future of the world. I have no desire to die yet, but if that is God’s plan for me, I accept it. Please, with my blessing, take the last parachute.”

    The OWS kid replies, “No worries Padre. Tonight we will be drinking a cold one and laughing about the whole thing. There’s still two chutes left. The smartest man in the world just jumped out of the plane with my backpack on.” 🙂

    [Originally cast with Kissinger and a hippie. Like I said, an old joke.]

  10. Only in America ……………..

    A man goes to a public golf course.

    He approaches the man behind the counter in the pro shop and says, “I would like 18 holes of golf and a caddie.”

    The man behind the counter says, “The 18 holes of golf is no problem, but all of the caddies are out on the course..

    What I will do for you is this: We just received 8 brand new robot golf caddies. If you’re willing to take one with you out on the course and come back and tell me how well it works, your round of golf is on me today.”

    The golfer obviously accepted the man’s offer.. He approached the first tee, looked at the fairway and said to himself, “I think my driver will do the job.”

    The robot caddie turned to the man and said, “No sir. Use your 3 wood. A driver is far too much club for this hole.” Hesitantly, the golfer pulled out his 3 wood, made good contact with the ball, and the ball landed about 10 feet to the right front of the hole on the green.

    The golfer, delighted, turned to the robot and thanked him for his assistance.

    As the golfer pulled out his putter he said, “I think this green is gonna break left to right.”

    The robot then again spoke up and said, “No sir. I do believe this green will break right to left.”

    Thinking about the last time the robot corrected his prediction,he decided again to listen to the machine.
    He made his putt and birdied the hole thanks to the robot and his advice. But his luck didn’t end there.
    His entire game was the best game he ever played, thanks to the assistance of the new robot golf caddie.

    Upon returning to the clubhouse, the man behind the counter asked, “How was your game ?”

    The golfer stated, “It was, by far, the BEST game I ever played. Thank you very much for letting me take one of your robots. See you next week.”

    A week passed, and excited, the golfer returned to the pro shop. Upon entering, he turned to the man behind the counter
    and said, “I would like 18 holes of golf and one of those robot golf caddies, please.”

    The gentleman from behind the counter turned to the man and said, “Well the 18 holes is no problem.
    However, we had to get rid of the robots. We had too many complaints.”

    “COMPLAINTS? Who in the heck could’ve complained about those robots? They were incredible”

    The man sighed and said, “Well, it wasn’t their performance. It was that they were made of shiny silver metal, and the sun reflecting off them was blinding to other golfers on the fair way.”

    The golfer said, “So then why didn’t you just paint them black?”

    The man nodded sadly and replied, “We did. Three of ’em didn’t show up for work, two filed for welfare, one of them robbed the pro shop, one married a Swedish girl and called himself Tiger, and the other thinks he’s the President.”

    .

  11. More black people than whites physically attack the other race. The Justice Department is anti- white. LIberals, including some in Obama’s administration have made anti-gun statements. Some of his allies have made anti- white statements. Local stories of groups of blacks attacking ranfom whites or flash mobbing stores add to the fear. High crime rates in black urban centers contribute to the embattled concept.

    Combine that fear with the more likely fear of white criminality, and you have gun sales.

    People were afraid of tornadoes this weekend. Most made unusual preparations to protect themselves even though the chance of any one person’s dying in a storm was small. The same process is affecting others’ minds.

    Listen to For What its Worth or Dark Night. They explain it well.

  12. “We’ve way more guns than people.” Pman

    Not true, but at 270 million firearms, we’ve almost reached a one-to-one ratio. Obscene.

    “There are no racial divides. Bullets are colorblind.” -Pman

    That’s actually not true either. Blacks represent about 13% of the U.S. population but suffer over 54% of all gun homicides. A situation that DR has often pointed out here.

    Guns suck, period. No reason to conflate the issue with mis-information.

  13. “Not true, but at 270 million firearms, we’ve almost reached a one-to-one ratio. Obscene.”

    I think so too, but I’m doing my part to make it right. I have a passel. Maybe those without any guns can catch up.

    “That’s actually not true either. Blacks represent about 13% of the U.S. population but suffer over 54% of all gun homicides. A situation that DR has often pointed out here.”

    Perhaps true, but is there some point you are making here? (Guns don’t like black people?) How are all these black folk getting killed? My guess is that most get killed by other black folk. They should stop doing that, IMHO. I have owned firearms since I was a child and I can’t remember ever pointing one in anger, but I can remember once when I was carrying and nearly needed it to defend myself. (I did not have to skin it, thank God, but I had it if I needed it. I was about eleven years old.)

    “Guns suck, period. No reason to conflate the issue with mis-information.”

    No, the misuse of guns sucks. The proper use – to defend oneself from someone bigger, stronger, when necessary – is a GREAT thing.

    My experience, in teaching people to shoot, is that gun hatred comes from gun fear and that comes from having little or no gun experience. Almost always. Take a firearms course, learn to use a gun properly, safely and appropriately and they won’t scare you.

  14. Guns suck, period. No reason to conflate the issue with mis-information.

    I stand corrected, Thor. I guess I should have googled first. 🙂

    I’m seeing the estimates are close, if not at one-to-one, as you indicate. I guess the folks I’ve known in Texas and elsewhere with massive arsenals and collections are the exception.

    The colorblind comment was attributed to the bullet, not the trigger puller. It can penetrate any color flesh in the very same fashion.

  15. “10 is stupid. A robot smart enough to decipher the slope of a green would be smart enough to stand in the shade.”

    Yeah, but when they were silver, they didn’t get hot.

  16. “Take a firearms course, learn to use a gun properly, safely and appropriately and they won’t scare you.” – PF

    Guns don’t scare me, but they should scare you. If you possess one, your chances of dying from one go up, not down.

  17. Well, it’s a matter of relative risk, isn’t it? I don’t sell illegal drugs, I don’t DO illegal drugs, I don’t rob folks or renege on gambling debts, so I’m not much of a target for OTHER people’s guns. I am not suicidal and to my knowledge, neither my wife nor son is unstable, so I think I am OK vis a vis my own guns.

    Should someone in a crazed state of mind decide to break into my house or injure a member of my family, I believe THEY would be in *considerable* danger from MY guns, so I feel pretty good about the situation as a whole. I could be wrong.

  18. I learned to shoot at a young age. My dad’s family were big time hunters. His brothers would travel all over to hunt game. Alaska was probably their favorite place. I used to marvel at the stories they shared. Grandma had plenty of ivory carvings.Long after they were gone, their parkas were still in cold storage.

    Interesting stuff that I haven’t thought about in some time…

    They owned a hunting lodge near Bridgewater, Vermont. We would often go stay there during deer season. I was a decent marksman with a rifle, though I never killed anything with one.

    My dad’s youngest brother, the only one still living, was a very experienced bow hunter. That was his passion. I decided IF I was going to get into the whole hunting thing, THAT was the way to go. I took archery in school and did well enough, but lost interest when sex, drugs, and rock and roll took over as my primary interests.

    I still think a crossbow is an awesome thing. I wonder how many of those are around? I don’t think they require registering.

  19. poolman –

    Growing up as basically an only child, way out in the country, with two old folks as parents, as you might imagine I got pretty bored. I was always working on some project or another, and one winter I decided to build a crossbow. An old piece of tongue-and-groove flooring worked perfectly as the stock, since you could lay the bolt in the groove.

    I was dicking around with it indoors one cold winter’s day and dry-fired it. I had neglected to fasten the bow in the stock and it flew off, across the room and broke my mother’s favorite planter. It scared hell out of my Dad who promptly screamed and shit a brick.

    Pretty funny now, not then though…he was a man to reckon with when you are fourteen…LOL

  20. My brother bought a cross bow when he returned from Vietnam. I don’t know if he ever used it.

    My father and uncle had my cousin and me sit on each side of the corn picker. Our job was to shoot any pheasants we flushed out of the corn.

    My brother and I shot pigeons with our BB guns. We dressed and fried them like chickens. They tasted like chicken too. Pigeon and dumplings, mmm good.

  21. ” I am not suicidal and to my knowledge, neither my wife nor son is unstable” PF

    I wonder how many suicidal people “plan” on becoming suicidal? I wonder how many men “plan” on shooting their wife or girlfriend when they leave them?

  22. Guns also augment ones’ food supply.

    Only for cowards when we get right down to it. Animals find their food and don’t need a gun to seal the deal. Our intellect makes up for the fact that we are really not one of the stronger species on the planet. Lions, bears, tigers, etc can make a quick meal us if they choose to. A true hunter in the primitive hunter/gatherer tradition would not use a gun to get food.

  23. It’s pretty f*cking pathetic that this post inspires dumbass jokes, glory days stories of hunting and PF’s cute observation about fingers on the trigger.

    PF you know full well it was the FIRST picture I was referring to regarding the NRA not using it as a poster pic.

    Then Tex does his usual diversion about the ills of the New Black Panther Party.

    You know what? The NRA should support the NBPP because they feel threatened just like the NRA’s paranoid white folks do. And in America when you feel threatened you get to have a gun,

    In Florida, when you feel threatened, you get to SHOOT a gun.

  24. PFesser, that’s a pretty funny crossbow story.

    As kids, we were continually making weapons. The bow and arrow was a favorite. We taped finish nails to the shaft for a point. They proved pretty dangerous.

    Spears were common, too. I remember playing chicken with my brother and putting one of those sharpened sticks through his leg by his knee. He wouldn’t budge. Then it was, “Don’t tell mom!! Don’t tell mom!!!”

    She figured it out, though, while we were patching him up with band aids in the bathroom. 🙂

    I was really adept with a slingshot, my weapon of choice. I had made quite a few of them. When he was around eleven, my younger brother saved his money and bought a very powerful one with surgical tubing and a forearm brace. It was a beautiful thing. It could sink a marble into a tree trunk.

    That got taken away within a week and we never saw it again. 😆

    Ahhh, life before video games. We had to create our own violence.

  25. “Yes you could be wrong as an unarmed man breaks into your house and gets hold of YOUR gun before you do and blows your head off.” – R

    That’s impossible R. As super gun pro captain safety dude, Pf leaves his guns unloaded and locked up. He actually keeps a pack shovel next to his bed for home invasion hand-to-hand combat, just like the sergeant in “All Quiet on the Western Front” 😉

  26. It’s pretty f*cking pathetic that this post inspires dumbass jokes, glory days stories of hunting and PF’s cute observation about fingers on the trigger.

    Somehow I gather that was not the expected reaction. Maybe you need a more colorful audience. 😉

    Really though, Rutherford. After “Moses”, who would you really expect to follow as the NRA’s official poster child? We’re gonna need to wander through the desert a few more years before we can enter that next “phase”. I could see a woman (think Palin or Jolie) showing up before any black person would.

    The NRA is mainly a white man’s lobby. Like the GOP is still mainly a white man’s party. It takes a lot to erase that stereotype, as you know.

  27. Ahhh, life before video games. We had to create our own violence. -PMan

    We liked to light stuff on fire and blow shit up.

    My friend across the street hurt himself pretty good once. His dad made his own shotgun shells so he had a ready supply of gunpowder. He put some gunpowder in a large bottle and lit it, thinking it would make a giant flame. Boom. Shotgunned his legs with glass.

  28. “It’s pretty f*cking pathetic that this post inspires dumbass jokes, glory days stories of hunting” – R

    Just think what your next post might inspire. You promised to piss some of us off, remember? 🙂

  29. Shotgunned his legs with glass.

    Ouch! That is pretty bad. The only gunpowder we could get was when we found some unexploded firecrackers or 22 bullets that we pried the bullet off the shell. (BTW, don’t hit those with a rock as they WILL fire).

    When we learned the baking soda and vinegar trick, we did end up exploding a few bottles. 😆

  30. Lol. Hunters are “cowards” now. Keep talking that, Michigan will be a red state by Nov.

    Dude eats beakless chickens from a corporate farm, compartmentalizing the very fact he is eating an animal and calls Hunters cowards, oblivious to the the disease and environmental damage they prevent.

    .

    Silly lil’ cuckold.

  31. Hunting is more than shooting at cattle in a feed lot. It requirs skill and luck. Sometimes the hunter becomes the hunted. Last November a fourteen year old deer hunter thirty miles or so northwest of us walked by a tree in the woods. A mountain lion charged him and he shot it in mid leap.

    Hunting and fishing have been a source of food since the invention of guns . Some people can live all winter on deer meat. Some is also given to food kitchens. Guns are no less sporting than the sharp spears, bows and arrows and traps our Cro- Magnon ancestors used. Hence that comment is faulty.

    I have a fire extinguisher in the bed room to take care of home invaders.

  32. Just because I don’t hunt, doesn’t mean I think it cowardly or unnecessary. I do have a problem with folks that hunt for sport. When killing animals (or people) becomes “sport”, I oppose it. It is a sickness to have that mentality. If it takes killing shit to make you feel powerful, you ARE sick. Period. I don’t care if society condones it. It isn’t healthy.

    I know plenty of people that hunt to live. I know plenty that hunt and eat what they “bag”. I don’t have issue with that. Many have to supplement their food supply in that way.

    Rutherford, it is probably because you have no real connection with nature that makes you feel that way. In the wild, everything is potential food. It is life’s natural order and is found everywhere. Man is the one that upsets that order. Man is the one that has imposed artificial life and realities.

    I do enjoy trout fishing in natural streams. The further out in the wilderness, the better. I don’t like killing those beautiful fish and denying them their freedom, but I do cut off their heads and cook them and eat them, just the same.

    You don’t get to live unless something dies in order to provide you nutrition. That’s just the fact, Jack!

  33. “It’s pretty f*cking pathetic that this post inspires dumbass jokes, glory days stories of hunting and PF’s cute observation about fingers on the trigger.” – R

    And you expected what ?? 😉

    My only comment on your post is if I walked into the NRA convention and saw Younge with a gun I might ask him the make and model. If I walked up to the dude in the second picture I would run like hell. Forget racial profile, change the picture to white dudes and I would have the same reaction.

    As for hunting, in my neck of the woods, two five year olds, one a boy the other a girl bagged their first deer this year with a gun. As far as crossbows are concerned those are now one high tech instrument and yes you have to have a permit but now sure about the registration on those. Have you checked out black powder guns? Hunters in my area are serious food hunters.

  34. When we learned the baking soda and vinegar trick, we did end up exploding a few bottles.-Poolman

    Don’t know about bottles but wow what an explosion in my sink which is better than drano 😉

  35. I’m sensing a cultural divide here.

    Black powder is popular around here. Sometimes they hold fundraiser meals with food ranging from squirrel, to Alaskan bear or elk.

    Humans are part of nature. We have been primary preditors for eons. As long as we don’t over hunt, we , like bears or wolves help reguate and preserve the health of other animals.

    As Christians, we have set ourselves apart from nature to have dominion over it. Hunting societies like the Indian and European shanins place humans in the same world as their prey.

    Two little kids shooting their first deer is a memory they will carry the rest of their lives.

  36. Then Tex does his usual diversion about the ills of the New Black Panther Party.

    Your damn picture in the post is the New Black Panther Party, dummy! 😆 I’m not diverting – I’m pinpointing.

    I guess the memory is the first to go…I hate every IOTA….

    And by the way Thor…though not a gun fanatic by any stretch, I have had enough wisdom to notice those towns that have the strictest guns laws also have the highest violent crime rates. Check out Washington D.C. and Chicago for starters. 😉

  37. “And by the way Thor…though not a gun fanatic by any stretch, I have had enough wisdom to notice those towns that have the strictest guns laws also have the highest violent crime rates. Check out Washington D.C. and Chicago for starters.” – Tex

    “A 1991 study documenting the effectiveness of Washington, D.C.’s law banning handguns (this law was recently repealed following the U.S. Supreme Court ruling finding it unconstitutional in District of Columbia v. Heller, 128 S. Ct. 2783 (2008)) found that following the enactment of the ban in 1976, there was a 25% decline in homicides committed with firearms and a 23% decline in suicides committed with firearms within the District of Columbia.”

    Of course, this law has since been repealed, not because it wasn’t working but because it was working too well.

  38. We’re pretty loose and goosey with gun laws down here in the zone, and we’re up there with the highest places on killings.

    Guns are the weapon of choice in these parts, I believe.

    From murders to suicides, Arizona is consistently among the most deadly states in the nation for gun violence, federal records show.

    Over a nine-year span, the state’s rate of gun deaths of all types ranked seventh in the United States and sixth for gun-involved slayings, according to an Arizona Republic analysis of death reports compiled by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    The rankings are based on data from 1999 to 2007, the most recent statistics available from the CDC.

    http://www.azcentral.com/community/pinal/articles/2011/01/27/20110127arizona-gun-death-rate-nations-worst-sev.html#ixzz1sGL1xMua

  39. P.S. to Thor:

    I hope Rutherford was nice enough in my absence giving you the proof I provided to him with instruction for you, demonstrating beyond a shadow of a doubt you were not only wrong in your assertion during Obama’s “jurisdiction”, oil production has increased but were completely wrong. 😉

    Production is up due strictly to new technology (hydraulic fracking being the most pertinent) – permits are actually down almost 50% under the Obama “regime” and in fact, is up in spite of Obama. Anybody familiar and working within the hydrocarbon industry can verify this for you – even the pinheads in the Northwest. 🙂

    That was a whale of a whopper you told – rank propaganda. Hopefully, you’ll begin to get your facts straight before the election so that your defeat doesn’t ring so hollow and you can understand the error of your information stream.

  40. Dude eats beakless chickens from a corporate farm, compartmentalizing the very fact he is eating an animal and calls Hunters cowards,

    Rabbit, for a smart guy, and I say that with no hint of condescension, sometimes you are incredibly thick. I didn’t say that hunters are cowards. I said hunters with guns are cowards.

    When a lion wants a meal, he chases the deer, kills him, and eats him. When man wants a meal, he hides behind a friggin’ bush, like a little pussy, and fires a projectile yards away at an unsuspecting deer. Now, if you don’t call that cowardly, then we clearly have different definitions. Mind you, I made this comment in response to another comment in the thread that basically said guns keep us fed.

    Let me repeat what I said before (it gets tiresome repeating sh*t for folks who refuse to read) — man’s intellect compensates for the fact he is really one of the weaker species on the planet. Because we cannot outrun most animals, nor overpower them in a “fair fight” we invent weapons that don’t give those animals a chance in hell. Do I lose sleep over this? No. Do I eat a burger? Damn straight I do. This is no animal rights lecture I’m giving. I’m simply saying don’t laud guns as a great food conveyer since we could live on veggies if we wanted, or come into closer contact with our prey with weapons other than guns if we weren’t such pussies. 😐

  41. As Christians, we have set ourselves apart from nature to have dominion over it. Hunting societies like the Indian and European shanins place humans in the same world as their prey.

    Thank you James … this comment comes a lot closer to the notion I was trying to express. It’s the difference between unfair advantage and true physical survival of the fittest.

  42. Tex, the simple fact is in states that have enacted Stand Your Ground laws the number of “justifiable homicides” has skyrocketed. Sorry to bust your bubble, your links be damned, too many folks with access to guns means violence that could have been otherwise avoided. It’s elementary my dear Watson.

    P.S. No, I did not pass your messages on to Thor … I figured if you wanted the exchanges bad enough, you’d come back and have them.

  43. Hey Poolman, not for nuthin’ but “Chris” in your CNN video reminds me of the Eddie Murphy skit where he pretended to be white. I wonder if old Chris was at last week’s NRA convention? 🙂

  44. As a European living in your fair land (and enjoying every minute), the attachment people here seem to have to their guns is baffling. There appears to be an equation whereby having a gun or being allowed to have a gun equates to freedom and anything that challenges that right is considered a direct attack on freedom itself – why?

    Why is any attempt to curb the use of guns an attack on “freedom” but when government bans or restrict other items or activities that are dangerous or deadly there isn’t the same outcry?

  45. Justifiable homicide is about as clever as those hate crimes you’ve divorced yourself from. Perhaps you can take the next “step” and open your eyes to something called self defense, or if you really want to get square, something called capital punishment.

    What’s the next post? Save Mumia Abu-Jamal?

  46. Deerhunters who use guns are “pussies” now. Rutherford must have nothing to write about. So fucking silly.

  47. Actually Brother Rabbit,
    ,
    Rutherford is pretty weak in his argument about how “weak” the human race really is. If you think about it, and Rutherford really believes all these assumptions of no God, and man’s weakness, and social Darwinism, then by all rights, man shouldn’t exist at all, because no creature takes longer to be weaned from its mother, experiences predominately single birth, with a relatively long gestation rate, no covering of hair for warmth, etc…

    No Rutherford, actually man is one of the strongest of creatures. Maybe not physically compared to a horse, or an elephant, or a lion, or a bear, or even a monkey pound for pound, but consider which species has the greatest endurance.

    So here is my Rutherford biological question for the day.

    What creature can run a longer distance without stopping than any other on earth? I’ll give you a big Poolman quality hint to narrow the choices down.

    They are bipedal. 😉

  48. 😳 Actually IMB, Beckel is one of the more rational libs because he is not wrong 100% of the time. But he drops it this time.

    I think liberalism is starting to feel the heat of the reelection of an abysmal failure and failing to completely control the narrative is in collective nervous breakdown mode.

    They are going to implode this summer. Ahhh…

  49. “PF you know full well it was the FIRST picture I was referring to regarding the NRA not using it as a poster pic.

    He has his finger on the trigger, too. Very unsafe. Not NRA-like at all.

    re: packing at age 11.

    My father had been out of work a long time and had begun to sell Xmas trees to make some money. He then found a job, but it was evening shift, which worked well for us, since I could sell trees when I got home from school.

    Two days before Xmas the pace died down, since everybody who wanted a tree already had one. Right about dark, two fellows I had never seen showed up looking for a tree. My Mom told me there was something suspicious, since nobody had bought a tree for several days, it was getting dark, snowing, and we were alone ‘way up in the holler since Dad was working. I told her it was OK and grabbed the saw and headed out the door.

    Unbeknownst to me, while the one guy had me traipsing around the property in and out of the forest of pines, the other one was trying to get in the house, trying first the door and then the windows. I guess they figured the old man would have cash just before Christmas.

    My Mom yelled for me to come Right Away, but I just dismissed it as an old lady’s paranoia. The two fellows got back together, paid me and left.

    When I got back to the house, my Mom told me what had transpired. “I wasn’t worried about getting robbed but I was afraid they might kidnap you!” she said.

    “That would be a mistake,” I told her, and pulled out my Dad’s .38 from my coat pocket. My Dad always kept that pistol with him when he was out and about and, being the Man of the House when he was gone, I felt it my duty to protect my Mom and I kept the pistol with me when doing farm chores, selling trees, etc.

    “Good God! Would you have shot one of them?”

    “I’d have killed them both.”

    And I would.

  50. ““Yes you could be wrong as an unarmed man breaks into your house and gets hold of YOUR gun before you do and blows your head off.” – R
    That’s impossible R. As super gun pro captain safety dude, Pf leaves his guns unloaded and locked up.”

    Actually, I still have my father’s .38 Colt; I keep it within reach in my bedroom. It is not locked or secured in any way; when you need a gun, you need it in a hurry.

    poolman – re: slingshots. We used to make them from hickory forks and inner tubes when I was a kid. We had one older guy who was deadly; he was stationed in TX when he went to the military and entertained his buddies by sling-shooting jackrabbits on the run.

    I was reading about David and Goliath when I was about twelve or so and decided I needed one of those sling things. I used two old leather shoelaces and the tongue out of an old work boot. I was flabbergasted by how far that damn thing would throw a rock, but it was very inaccurate. I showed it to my bigger cousin who proceeded to whirl a rock in the vertical plane. It went straight up and came down, knocking his grandma’s gutter off the house. Good times…

  51. You’re welcome, Rutherford. As we know, many people consider hunting a sport. You do have a point that the average hunter with a gun has an unfair advantage.

    However, hunting with guns is no more cowardly or unfair advantage than a lion’s superior skill and speed as it picks what it believes to be the weakest member fo the herd. Coyotes and wolves work as teams to corner and kill individuals.

    It is what preditors do. They are not participating in a sport;. They are killing to survive.We are preditory omnivores, and we are part of the food chain. We regulate the supply of herbivores and help the fittest survive to reproduce. .

    Humans used arrows, spears and drove animals off cliffs to kill them. Some of our ancestors ran down animals until they were too exhausted to move. Guns were used for the same purpose, because their owners had to eat. Annie Oaklie became such a good shot because her hunting skills fed her family after her father died.

    Obviously, most people who hunt don’t need the food to survive as they still do in other parts of the world, but hunting and fishing still helps reduce their food bills. Given the state of the economy Obama has helped create, hunting may become more popular.

    We are tough SOBs. We killed competing species of humans and are now kings of the hill.

  52. We used sling shots to herd cattle when they broke into our corn fields. The beasts were smart enough to find holes in the fence or and to test the electric fence when it was disconnected, but they were not bright enough to find their way back without incentive.

  53. Regarding 58, Political Capital, welcome to the blog. I wish I had an answer for you. A nation founded with the gun, expanded with the gun (against native Americans), preserved with the gun (Civil War), perhaps has something to do with it. Perhaps we owe our very existence to the gun?

  54. “Coming soon, Taxogeddon” in the New York Times Sunday Review.

    If the Bush taxes expire and Obama based taxes begin, the average household making %50,000 a year will pay an extra $1,700 in taxes. The after tax income of a median household would fall to its 1998 level.

    Hunting may become more job than sport.

    Mr.Becket is no surprise. We have seen worse on another blog we know and love.

  55. “[T]he simple fact is in states that have enacted Stand Your Ground laws the number of “justifiable homicides” has skyrocketed.”

    No shit?

    Good.

    You prefer “unjustified homicides?”

    And the rule, again, no matter how many times you repeat it, is NOT “if you feel threatened you can shoot.”

    Nothing like having the scary, racist NRA bogeyman frightening you rather than armed criminals hoping to make victims of helpless people like you. 🙄

    I’m still trying to figure out what your dumb Chris Hayes video is supposed to prove. Blacks love carrying guns in my neck of the woods, even at the skeet/trap range in the southern part of the city where blacks constitute at least half of those sport shooting on any given weekend.

    R, are you capable of defending yourself or your family at all?

  56. James – re: TOB (The Other Blog)

    I don’t know if you ever look in there; I have been trying to be even-handed and reasonable, but I finally just let lori have it. Her off-topic, sophomoric demeanor, misspelled words, sentence fragments and car-puddle deep intellect combined with an Obama Can Do No Wrong attitude is like a mosquito buzzing ’round one’s ears and I’d finally had enough of her ninth-grade interruptions. Jesus what an irritating child! “Anon” – who is not anon to me – has been tearing them a new butthole and some find him really irritating. He’s a good writer and we work well together.

    Frankly I am finding the whole thing rather tedious; several of the better posters post very little any more – although there a couple of folks whom I perceive to be a little older that I really enjoy.

  57. PFesser, it is the “Obama can do no wrong” meme that gets me. When one denies there are truth issues, how can any conversation be productive?

    I am done with party politics. Both teams are corrupt and the system is rigged. Anyone denying that is contributing to the problem, IMO.

    If we just keep up this boxing match, none of us will have homes to go to after the final count.

  58. Pfessor, and Poolman, I haven’t checked the site since my last post months ago. Good for you! Lori never won an arguement with me, and once she unwittingly beat herself by citing a fact check link which supported me.

    They are Puppets to a failing ideology. I should be there to help the team, but I served my time, and as long as they disgust me, I shouldn’t be there.

    The sad part is Lori reproduced and replicated herself in her spawn.

    Welcome Political Capital. Where are you from? I lived in England for two years, so I know a little about adjusting to a new culture. I agree with Rutherford that private ownership of guns helped wind such a large part of the continent for Europeans. My guess is the similar private use of guns won South America too.

    Many of us live beyond the reach of timely law enforcement. The sherrif told our neighbor to carry a gun for protection after he stumbled across a drug deal, because there was no way the law could protect him.

    “Because you can’t starve us out and you can’t make us run, “Cause everyone of them boys raised on shot guns. We say grace, and we say ‘mam’. If you ain’t into that, we don’t give a damn.” Hank Williams “Country Boys Will Survive.”

    I Time Magazine reviewed the song and wrote the lyrics were disturbing. They are still true.

  59. Gawd Rutherford, you do pick up some beauts from the Left with the trash you write – Gypsy and this Political Capital being two.

    It’s one thing to be lectured by Libs that are ruining our country. But it is quite another to be lectured by a Eurowienie living here who has already assisted in ruining their own insignificant countriesand wants the U.S. to follow suit in the misery.

    ——-

    So here Political Capital – I’m going to fill you in on something you obviously too unenlightened and too mathematically challenged to understand. Let me correct your version of AMERICAN HISTORY.

    It is indeed true, the U.S. deficit “ballooned” under Ronald Reagan’s eight years – ballooned all the way up to $1.7 trillion if memory serves – about a tenth of what it is today.

    Here’s what you didn’t included in your bipolar dissection. Two “small” points.

    Under Ronald Reagan, the U.S. net worth increased $17 trillion dollars. So that you can fathom in your own limited way, had Europe’s hero Obama done the same with his debt/equity ratio, our nation would now be over $50,000,000,000,000.00 richer. That’s $50 trillion with a capital ‘T’ for you Euro coward types. I can guarantee you beyond a shadow of a doubt had Obama done that, he would be reelected in all 50 states, and we would be singing like birds in our praises, pissing ourselves like you morons did in 2008 when you declared Obama savior of the world – how’d that work out for you broke dolts?

    Second, that economic illusion you speak led 26 straight years of unmatched growth in American history (1981-2007), with two small blips for recessions in between due to nothing more than cyclical business. The DOW Jones industrials jumped more than 800% during that period.

    It’s no wonder Europe is circling the drain with geniuses like you as representation. You don’t have a fucking clue to what you speak of – so you can take your Dhimmitude and your lies back to whatever shithole of a European country you crawled – as shortly, Mohammad will be your master. 😉

  60. “In 2008, D.C. had 3.2 and 5.9 times the violent crime and murder rates, respectively, of the rest of America.” – Tex

    Yes, after a thirty year old law was overturned by the Supreme Court. Thank you for supporting MY argument. You are so giving lately. 😉

  61. Actually IMB, Beckel is one of the more rational libs because he is not wrong 100% of the time.

    Dude is a loser, only Larry King can pull off the suspender thing. 🙂

  62. Thor, see Political Capital. I found you a new friend.

    In 2008 when those statistics posted, Washington D.C. had the strictest hand gun laws in the nation. I hardly find that supporting your argument. Good guy. Good basketball fan. Dumb as hell. 😐

  63. “Production is up due strictly to new technology (hydraulic fracking being the most pertinent) – permits are actually down almost 50% under the Obama “regime” and in fact, is up in spite of Obama.” -Tex

    I don’t tell whoppers. Republicans blame Obama for high gas prices because he restricts production. Production is up. Republicans wrong. Republicans know they are wrong. Therefore, Republicans are liars. Watch out Burger King, the Republican Party is the new home of the Whopper.

    Thank you R for not bothering me with such a trivial retort. 🙂

  64. On Sept. 24, 1976, one of the toughest gun laws in the nation took effect in the District of Columbia, essentially outlawing the private ownership of new handguns in a city struggling with violence.

    Over the next few weeks, a man with a .32-caliber pistol held up workers at a downtown federal office at midday, a cabdriver was shot in the head and a senator was mugged by three youths — one carrying a revolver — near the U.S. Capitol.

    Since the ban was passed, more than 8,400 people have been murdered in the district, many killed by handguns. Nearly 80 percent of the 181 murders in 2007 were committed with guns.

    Success!!!! 😆 😆

    P.S. – That’s from your own blatantly liberal Seattle Times and the O-ssociated Press.

  65. Thor, you’re dishonest as hell and exactly why I hold liberals in contempt. You not only don’t know the truth, you don’t want to know the truth because it interferes with your preference of lifestyle.

    I don’t give a shit whether you believe me or not. We’ll nullify each other’s vote. However, I worked in the petroleum industry in virtually every facet for over 25 years. I know what I speak and I’m not going to be lectured either by some Eurowienie, or absolutely helpless NW ecocommie.

    You dumb fuckers believing leftydom is the path to utopia wouldn’t even know how to turn a wrench, much less drill a 15,000 foot hole through rock.

  66. Production is only up because of new technology. Drilling permits have been reduced substantially….especially on federal land.

    Why is that so hard for a Lib to understand? If production were up because of anything Obama, surely you clueless dolts would change your tune about “greedy” oil companies and the message of oligopoly.

    But I do find it humorous that an industry all you reds and Obama loathe works in spite of your lame attempts to vilify. Even more humorous at your attempts at green energies – a whopping 1.3% of the total energy production in the United States.

    Obama takes claim for the southern part of the XL Pipeline and wasn’t involved in the process. And you want to call the Republican party the party of the Whopper? 😈

    More Solyndra!!!!

  67. “Under Ronald Reagan, the U.S. net worth increased $17 trillion dollars. So that you can fathom in your own limited way, had Europe’s hero Obama done the same with his debt/equity ratio, our nation would now be over $50,000,000,000,000.00 richer.” – Tex

    So why don’t you Republicant’s let him raise taxes, like Ronald Reagan DID? Oh yeah, because Dick Cheney lectured us on how deficits don’t matter and you all went right along with him.

    Go get ’em Eurotrash. (Unless you’re English. Fuck the English.) 🙂

  68. Re. post 69. “And the rule, again, no matter how many times you repeat it, is NOT “if you feel threatened you can shoot.””

    I’m not sure it’s so much the rule that’s the major issue as the application of it. The principle of being allowed to “Stand Your Ground” to defend yourself or your property is, to a degree, understandable. However, when the rule (according to the courts) appears to include allowing people to chase down a thief, stab them in the chest, hide the weapon, deny the act & still get off (Greyston Garcia Case) something is very wrong because that’s not “standing your ground”. Also, when you can defy 9-1-1 instructions 14 times and then deliberately engage criminals who have not, up to that point, come anywhere near you and your property, shoot them dead & get off because of SYG (Joe Horn) then the law doesn’t appear to be being implemented as intended.

  69. Democrats have hoodwinked the public so many times, it is common place. Obama fought the XL Pipeline and took credit for the section he had nothing to do with. I believe Biden gave the administration credit for the Iraqi surge too. They are shameless because they believe the public is too dumb to notice.

    What do Washington DC gun violence statistics show now?

  70. Re. Post 74. Thanks for the comments, although why you choose to post them here rather than where I made them is a bit mystifying. I’m not about to hijack someone else’s blog to respond to them.

  71. poolman –

    I’m a festive mood today, so if this is a bit too long or a pain just tell me, I’ll back off. My cousin and I were emailing about his knocking his grandma’s gutter off and he sent me this back:

    “I do remember that……

    I also vividly remember launching very hard, small, green crab apples about 140 mph from the apple thrower (about a 3′ wooden rod with a strong piece of string about 2′ in length with a small flat-head nail on the end to hold the projectile) that naturally evolved from our sling experience. If memory serves me accurately, you were in on the design of this weapon with me. I made mine from mop and broom handles I found about the neighborhood. I would drill a hole about 1/2 inch from the end of the handle to run my string through so I could securely attach it to the handle.

    I remember one incident vividly to wit: After locating a worthy target (maybe “victim” would be more accurate), namely old lady Boggs whom I observed entering her outhouse, I gave her ample time to assume her business position within the outhouse. (Note: Mrs. Boggs lived over 150 yards down the hill!) In a manner that would have made David envious, I slung the apple with everything I had at the shitter. Just dumb luck, but that apple made a laser line for the center of the shit house on which was hanging a piece of tin. All joking aside, I am sure the apple left the nail well above 120 mph. I did not see any significant drop in it’s trajectory as it sped along. Just a bee line along it’s way….. It struck the shitter tin with a very loud boom. Old lady Boggs came flying out of the shitter screaming at Wayne Boggs every breath. She was sure her son Wayne was the culprit while I was basking in the glory of my deed from about 150 yards away.”

    This guy is an ex-coal miner, current math teacher, the best I have ever seen at everything he does. I taught him chess in the fourth grade and have never beaten him since. We are taking a long road trip after my 6-month “notice period” bondage is over; we are going to have a hell of a time. By God we both deserve it.

  72. Political Capital, I agree the law can be implemented wrongly. My understanding is such a law permits a person to commit the minimum of violence to let him/her survive. Beyond that someone has broken the law.

    We can make no assumptions about the Zimmerman/Martin case because we cannot distinguish between the truth, lies and half truths the press has fed us.

    Reutors now reports that neighbors saw Zimmerman with bandages on his head and nose as he talked to a police officer.

  73. “Go get ‘em Eurotrash. (Unless you’re English. Fuck the English.) ”

    Hey, watch it. I like the English. Nobody handles the Mother Tongue like they do, or can insult you with such grace, dignity and deadliness.

  74. 74. Tex Taylor | April 17, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    Tex, what does your comments in #74 have to do with PC comments in #58?
    Please enlighten us to the nature of your rant which appeared to be related to our economy not guns or am I just as stupid as you think I am.

    58. Political Capital | April 17, 2012 at 1:28 am
    “As a European living in your fair land (and enjoying every minute), the attachment people here seem to have to their guns is baffling. There appears to be an equation whereby having a gun or being allowed to have a gun equates to freedom and anything that challenges that right is considered a direct attack on freedom itself – why?

    Why is any attempt to curb the use of guns an attack on “freedom” but when government bans or restrict other items or activities that are dangerous or deadly there isn’t the same outcry?”

  75. Yeah, I’m part English too. My ancestors lived there for three hundred years. If it weren’t for England, we would be speaking Spanish or French now. “C’est dommage”, he wrote sarcastically. .

  76. “Good guy. Good basketball fan. Dumb as hell.” – Tex

    I see your sabbatical has done little to sharpen your skills. 🙂

    We all have intellect. We all are experts in our own experience. Some of us use our gifts for playful edification. Some of us employ our knowledge to deliver orotund blasts, flattening our opponents while tamping down our own fears.

    Tex – Good guy. Knows basketball. Republican’t. (My way of saying, dumb as hell.)

  77. “My father had been out of work a long time and had begun to sell Xmas trees to make some money.” – PF

    No shit. You sold Christmas trees? What did the sign say? “Atheistic Pagan Ornamental Shrubberies For Sale – We accept runes.” 😉

  78. “A 1991 study documenting the effectiveness of Washington, D.C.’s law banning handguns (this law was recently repealed following the U.S. Supreme Court ruling finding it unconstitutional in District of Columbia v. Heller, 128 S. Ct. 2783 (2008)) found that following the enactment of the ban in 1976, there was a 25% decline in homicides committed with firearms and a 23% decline in suicides committed with firearms within the District of Columbia.”

    Success … ended by a “non-legislating” SCOUS.

  79. “You dumb fuckers believing leftydom is the path to utopia wouldn’t even know how to turn a wrench, much less drill a 15,000 foot hole through rock.” – Tex

    Neither does BP, doesn’t stop them from trying though, does it. 😉

    Who needs a gun when they have frontal lobes. 🙂

  80. “Obama takes claim for the southern part of the XL Pipeline and wasn’t involved in the process. And you want to call the Republican party the party of the Whopper?” – Tex

    And Republican’ts don’t mention that the Keystone pipeline already brings oil from Canada to the US (some to your beloved OK), it just doesn’t take it to Texas where it can be shipped to China.

    A whopper disguised as a salad bar is still a whopper.

  81. Half of the English are transplanted Scandinavians and Germans. Cross the old Danelaw and look. Maybe they burned poor Joan under the British name.

    That link is for you, thor.

  82. “However, when the rule (according to the courts) appears to include allowing people to chase down a thief, stab them in the chest, hide the weapon, deny the act & still get off (Greyston Garcia Case) something is very wrong because that’s not “standing your ground”. Also, when you can defy 9-1-1 instructions 14 times and then deliberately engage criminals who have not, up to that point, come anywhere near you and your property, shoot them dead & get off because of SYG (Joe Horn) then the law doesn’t appear to be being implemented as intended.”

    So that’s the law and it’s application, huh?

    You must have gone to the same law school as Rutherford MSNBC.

    Well, I for one am all in favor of shooting people in reliance on the SYG laws. And since that’s how it works, no problems right? 🙄

  83. Re. post 105. I didn’t say that was the the law or that was specifically its application (which is what you appear to be saying). I said that the law appears to allow an interpretation that permits what I described to happen. IMO that makes it flawed.

  84. I’m glad to meet you Political Capital.

    My wife and I lived in Great Bardfield, Essex northeast of London. It felt like home, maybe because my ancestors lived in Wales, central England and Scotland for three hundred years.

    What do you think of the US? Have you had time to see much of Canada or Mexico?

  85. “I said that the law appears to allow an interpretation that permits what I described to happen.”

    Please explain.

  86. “Half of the English are transplanted Scandinavians and Germans.” -J

    If by “transplanted” you mean we came down and kicked their ass then, yes, we did.

  87. James, you spoke a while back about the Kennewick Man. (He’s kind of a big deal around here.) With the addition of the hunting debate, here’s an excerpt and a link you might enjoy.

    “An examination of the joints showed that Kennewick Man had arthritis in the right elbow, both knees and several vertebrae but that it wasn’t severe enough to be crippling. He had suffered plenty of trauma as well. “One rib was fractured and healed,” says Owsley, “and there is a depression fracture on his forehead and a similar indentation on the left side of the head.” None of those fractures were fatal, though, and neither was the spear jab. “The injury looks healed,” says Owsley. “It wasn’t a weeping abscess.”

    http://www.manataka.org/page1716.html

  88. “Are you outing me as a soccer fan?” I was just guessing and hoped you’d like it. Shakira’s video shows some good soccer highlights.

    Yes, that is what I meant. We came down and took over. Ancestors on my mother’s side were Viking enforcers in the Outer Hebrides. We bad!

    Thanks for the link. I didn’t know that about Kennewick Man. He must have been tough.

  89. One of many statements which interested me is the genetic suggestion some of the early Americans came from Siberia. Some modern Siberians share a shaministic religion, and possibly genetic material with northern Scandinavians.

    Discover Magazine, I think has an article about a paleontologist who decifered the message of a cave painting in Arizona. it was an instruction manual on how to conduct religous ceromonies. She took a tribal elder to look at it, and he said it was like a message from his ancestors.

    Elements of the religion described sounded similar to the one in northern Europe. Is it possible that several thousand years was sufficient to allow a uniform religion to spread through much of Europe and Asia? If so, do scattered reminants remain? Or are such religious belief systems generic?

  90. I hope you won’t be tired of another link, thor. The Veps and related people seem to be like museum pieces. Maybe if contemporaries of the Ice Man or Kennewick Man started a modern band it would sound like this. They have been called white American Indians and magic people. Some are still pagans.

  91. That was cool, sort of ABBA meets Andean Mountain Band. Thanks.

    The latest theory about K. Man is that he actually was part of the island people that ended up in Japan, the Philippines and other areas of the Western Pacific. One more piece of a very intriguing puzzle.

  92. Ha Ha!! Raji.

    The latest theory about K Man is especially interesting to me since a nephew is from the Philipines and I have a Filopino e pal. People like us lived for thousands of years and they behaved as we do now. I hope I live to see more pieces fo the puzzle found and assembled.

    I’m sorry I hijacked the thread. It was bad form but informative

  93. Re. post 108. Hi again James, I love it here…I think it’s an amazing country. I visited at least twice a year for 15 years before I moved here. I’ve done my best to see what I can of the country although it’s never enough. I try to focus on visiting at least 3 new cites every year and this year I’ve got Washington and Boston booked so far.

    Re. Mexico, I’ve only seen the tourist areas (Cabo, Cancun) so I can’t say I’ve seen the “real” part of the country.

    Re. Canada..well, I’ve been to Vancouver but that’s about it 🙂

  94. Re. Post 109: What I meant was that the SYG law appears to allow interpretations that permit people to kill while clearly not just “standing their ground” but still hide under the law’s protection. I find that wrong and worrying. See examples I gave in post 85.

  95. “What I meant was that the SYG law appears to allow interpretations that permit people to kill while clearly not just “standing their ground” but still hide under the law’s protection. I find that wrong and worrying.”

    You think the statute authorizes what you’ve described?

  96. While I was busy getting my new iPhone 4S up and running and converting my old iPhone 3G into an iPod for my daughter you boys clearly had a good time today. I’ll review comments tomorrow (Wednesday) but you may not “see” me for a bit …. I am biting the bullet and upgrading my PC to Windows 7. I tremble when I think of what danger awaits.

    Hopefully, I’ll check in sometime tomorrow afternoon!

  97. Re post 122. No that’s not what I said. I said the phrasing of the law apparently allows for unforeseen/unintended interpretations because, in the two cases I cited, the defendants were found “not guilty” and in both cases the judgement was based purely on SYG. I say they were not “standing their ground” yet it was the SYG law that got them off.

  98. Hey “R”, I used Windows 7 for the first time last night on this new all in one I purchased. Like you, I’ll be out of pocket playing for a little bit.

    These all in one PCs are absolutely sweet – the touch screen is over kill as I find myself resorting again and again to the mouse. If you’re like I am, and the eyes aren’t what they used to be up close, consider one of these – the resolution is unbelievable. I went ahead and splurged on their 3 year warranty with in-home replacement since the technology is new. All of that, 2 terabytes of storage, 4GB of RAM, all wireless except the power cord, etc…

    And less than a $1,000.00.

  99. PC, huh? If it ain’t the explicit statutory provisions that authorize what you’ve described, it’s application, or what the alleged offender is relying on to pursue and murder (according to you), we’re just going in circles.

    I guess I’ll go look up the examples you’ve relied on as proof that the law is no good. It sounds like you’re relying on inaccurate/incomplete/disputed facts.

  100. Too many laws. Too many words. Too many interpretations. Too many MANipulators™.

    Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

    Let your yes be yes, and your no be no.

    Bunch of legalistic sinners with a multitude of pride coverings.

    Silly fucking humans. It ain’t that complex.

    But let’s keep playing karma dodge. 🙄

    Off to work… Stay honest! 🙂

  101. Garcia:

    Judge Bloom apparently agreed with a medical examiner who testified that a bag of radio swung at a head could cause serious harm or death, and that the defendant Garcia “was well within his rights to pursue the victim and demand the return of his property.”

    http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2012/03/judge_cites_stand_your_ground.php

    Sounds like the judge had her head up her ass or there was a threat that authorized self-defense.

    In any event, you failed to mention the fact found by the trial judge that formed the basis of her ruling.

  102. I wasn’t worried about getting robbed but I was afraid they might kidnap you

    PF, maybe this story has gained some romanticism over the years through repeated re-telling. That particular comment makes no sense unless your mother meant abduct you to sexually molest and then kill you. If she really meant kidnap, that implies a ransom, and you have described your household of being of meager means. What would they get? $300.00 tops? I think your memory from age 11 has decorated this story a wee bit.

    And I’m sorry … as noble as your story sounds, there is something VERY disturbing about an 11 year old running around with a loaded gun. You were a child. Unless your mother was sickly, she should have known how to handle a gun herself if there was no choice but to be left alone in the evenings while your father worked.

    Sorry …. great story for the grandkids, but I’m not buyin’ it.

  103. R, are you capable of defending yourself or your family at all?

    Tigre, the kickback from a gun would throw me clear across a room so no, I won’t be “defending” my family with a gun any time soon. Like most sensible Americans, I’ll take proper precautions regarding locked doors and windows and call the police if need be so they can do their job.

  104. Joe Horn:

    Truly bizarre.

    I didn’t see that he had ignored 14 admonitions on the 911 tape. I assume that was hyperbole.

    But the articles I saw said the GJ relied on the Castle Doctrine and the burglars entry onto Horn’s property was a factor.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Horn_shooting_controversy

    http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2009/09/deadly-force-and-home-defense-texas-man-kills-2-teens.html

    I don’t get from what I saw how the GJ reached it’s determination on the Castle Doctrine (that I understand requires forcible entry into the residence itself, which didn’t happen in the Horn incident).

    Perhaps it was nullification by the GJ. Perhaps all of the facts are not out there. Is there something out there that tells us what the legal analysis was that was presented to the GJ? I can’t locate it.

  105. “Tigre, the kickback from a gun would throw me clear across a room so no, I won’t be “defending” my family with a gun any time soon.”

    Damn. You of all people should have a gun. I KNOW you couldn’t reason with an intruder! 😆

  106. Tex, regarding 74 … man am I confused. Why are you lecturing Political Capital on “American History”, especially Reaganomics, etc. when he asked about gun culture? You’re arguing points with him that he didn’t make (here at least).

    Did you do your usual research at his blog?

  107. “Like most sensible Americans, I’ll take proper precautions regarding locked doors and windows and call the police if need be so they can do their job.”

    Yeah. That was what 3 victims of a 2-hour rape fest at gun point in my neighborhood thought too. Rapist followed female victim right into the living room when she returned home in the early evening.

  108. Regarding Bob Beckel, I watched this dude while I was in the hospital confined to Fox News Channel. I don’t know why he wastes his time on Fox. I believe he is a regular on “The Five”. The token liberal. It can only damage the man’s mind to hang out with the likes of Hannity and crew all the time.

  109. Thanks for the comments, although why you choose to post them here rather than where I made them is a bit mystifying. I’m not about to hijack someone else’s blog to respond to them.

    Ahhhh as I suspected, Tex went on a rant over something you wrote on YOUR blog, not here.

    PC, as for being hijacked … don’t worry. The middle name of this blog is “hijack”. The discussion threads go all over the place, quickly departing from the main theme of the parent blog post. So if you wish to battle Tex on the points, be my guest. So far I have found you quite entertaining and refreshing. 🙂

  110. I question why FOX would have Bob Beckel, Alan Colmes or the insufferable Geraldo. FOX is going downhill. A shame, because a few years back, it was a good network.

    The FOX girls are still babes. I’d run off with Shannon Bream. 😈

    Yes, I scanned the Eurowienie’s own blog – pure, unadultered B.S. like all libbie blogs – but his is worse due to the fact his roots are clear failure and now he wants to implement socialism here. No thanks.

  111. such a law permits a person to commit the minimum of violence to let him/her survive

    That notion is absurd where carrying a gun is concerned, particularly if you’re a lousy shot or in a panic you don’t have time to aim to maim.

  112. I was going to write that for you, Rutherford. Your preemptive, whining warning. Do you boilerplate those rancid things for quick recall? 🙂

  113. Our computer should be in a hospice. It froze and the screen turned black again, but obviously it is working now. I’ll be fast in case it has another seizure. An ex- Marine and his teenaged son are removing some old iron for us He works in South Omaha where Hispanics are in the majority.

    He showed us three bullet holes in his pickup and said no one was aiming at him. They were just random shots.

    However, one night some young men blocked his car and walked toward him with pistols drawn. He pulled out an assault rifle and aimed at them. They fled. A similar incident happened on another occasion, and his unloaded assault rifle saved him.

    This is only one anecdote, but it is common enough that people who want to carry weapons are making a rational decison and the irrational people are those who would stop them.

  114. James … to embed a YouTube video just put in the URL, no brackets, no width or height parameters. I’ve corrected three of these for you. Bill is in the mail. 🙂

  115. So that’s the law and it’s application, huh?

    You must have gone to the same law school as Rutherford MSNBC.

    Well, I for one am all in favor of shooting people in reliance on the SYG laws. And since that’s how it works, no problems right?

    Sometimes, dear Tigre, you don’t make no sense.

    By the way, while I’m here berating you, I’d like to return to one of your lectures on the prior thread. I watched the Florida special prosecutor’s press conference again and she said (paraphrase) “we don’t care about W [white], B [black] or H [Hispanic]. All we care about is V [victim].” She was saying she is prosecuting to gain justice for the VICTIM.

    So your insistence that the prosecutor represents the State, is legally a fact, but you are being disingenuous. The truth is the prosecutor wouldn’t be prosecuting if there were no victim. And he or she appeals to the jury’s sense of justice on behalf of the victim.

    And what pisses me off is I almost let your academic bullsh*t win the day.

  116. “I said that the law appears to allow an interpretation that permits what I described to happen.”

    Please explain.

    Stop being f*cking dense! You’re playing games. Joe Horn tells the 911 operator that a new law has just passed in his state (TX) that affirms his right to protect himself with a gun. He was referring to SYG which had just passed in TX. He then went out and shot robbers who had NOTHING to do with him. And he got off.

    Is that enough of an “explanation” for you? Either it’s a bad law or a good law with bad application.

    Stick to corporate litigation cos you have no business being anywhere near a criminal trial.

  117. Tex, your all-in-one sounds sweet indeed. I’m still old fashioned about wireless networking. The two computers in my home office are the only ones wired, the rest of the PC’s/laptops in the apartment are wireless. There was no way I was going wireless. I just don’t believe the speed is as good (although I must confess I experience no lag on the wireless devices I use around here). I fancy myself a techie but sometimes I can be a stick in the mud.

    Two coffee cans with a string connecting them …. now THAT’s the ticket! 🙂

  118. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

    Poolman, this used to be one of my fav’s until I heard a variation that made more sense …. “Do unto others as they would have done unto them.” In other words, sometimes you can’t apply your standards to another human being.

  119. Tigre regarding 131 … you THINK too damn much. It’s an attempt on your part to desperately defend a law you cotton to. Who cares if it was 14 or 5 times? Horn was told clearly by the 911 operator not to get involved. At no time was HIS property in danger. He was a friggin’ cowboy doing his thing in a cowboy state that let him off the hook. AND he explicitly said that the SYG law gave him license to act.

    Stand Your Ground is UNNECESSARY. The castle doctrine covers defense of your home. You don’t need a law that says “in public, shoot someone who threatens you.” The law should say “if someone offers you bodily harm, run like hell and get help.

    But such a law wouldn’t satisfy the John Wayne in you, would it?

    Aside to PC: You being new here, I may seem to be harsh in rhetoric with El Tigre, but you have to understand the history. Tigre knows full well SYG goes overboard and inevitably leads to bad interpretations. But his damn conservative politics won’t let him admit as much.

  120. James, it is just VERY good luck that the men, all with guns, didn’t shoot your friend before he could fire at them. He got lucky that the rifle actually scared them. Some folks are crazy and don’t get scared.

  121. “So your insistence that the prosecutor represents the State, is legally a fact, but you are being disingenuous. ”

    After the charges were filed moron? Tell me where we depart?

    You really are too dense to understand this. Really.

    Was the previous prosecutor “representing” dumbass?

  122. “Stick to corporate litigation cos you have no business being anywhere near a criminal trial.”

    Oh shut the fuck up. You’ve said nothing.

    I am not defending the law. I don’t give a fuck about it as much as I do the idiots that were looking to score political points out of the shooting by blaming the law that you couldn’t link to the offense.

    I’ve asked you to make your case against it and you will not. Actually reading is apparently too tough. So, you just keep repeating your MSNBC meme and are now back to stroking yourself because someone that entered the thread and said something you agree with raised the issue again.

    As I said, I am done trying to explain it to you because you are too lethal a combination of stupid and stubborn.

    Go back to thinking the prosecutor’s job is to do the alleged family’s bidding like in Duke Lacrosse.

  123. Aside to PC: I hadn’t even heard of the SYG before the Zimmerman shooting. It doesn’t exist in my state nor is there any reason I would be familiar with Florida;s self-defense laws. Rutherford made statements about the law, even before bothering to read it (a link was supplied to him) and I asked questions about it’s application, the language of which in many respects parallels common law self-defense. R will not engage the topic with any intellectual rigor and therefore the tantrum. He feels validated by your comments as he always does when he feels someone new has adopted his views.

    Suffice it to say, I don’t care about the law one way or the other. I do not own a hand gun, and have no opinions on whether the legislation has created a parade of horribles. If you have insight, I welcome the information. You will come to see that Rutherford’s opinions are generally repeats of what he hears on MSNBC which he unquestionably accepts.

  124. Thanks Rutherford.

    I agree our friend was taking a huge chance. He thinks enough people have gossiped about his weapoins so they won’t risk anything. I thought as you it would have been a problem if any of them had called his bluff. He may have decided he didn’t waht to risk becoming another Zimmerman.

    Now, the mostly Hispanic population defers to him thuogh he is white.

    He is an ex Marine who still has the aura. That helps too.

  125. The smartest man in the world has struck again! Maybe he taught Geography at Harvard?

    Yesterday Dan Quayle addressed the Summit of the Americas in Colombia and spoke about the conflict between the United Kingdom and Argentina over the Falklands. Quayle seemed to tilt toward Argentina by calling the islands the “Malvinas” rather than the Falklands, which Argentina insists is their proper name.
    Only Quayle didn’t say Malvinas, he said Maldives–an entirely different group of islands located thousands of miles from the Falklands in the Indian Ocean.

    The PunchLine: it was Barack Obama not Dan Quayle

  126. “However, one night some young men blocked his car and walked toward him with pistols drawn. He pulled out an assault rifle and aimed at them.” J

    Just a thought. If this was a SYG state, could the three gunmen have killed your friend and gotten off? They could have said, “We saw a stranger casing the neighborhood, when we went to see what he was doing, scare him off, he pulled out an assault rifle. We had no choice but to defend ourselves. Stand our ground.” To me, an assault rifle is exponentially more threatening than fists or skittles.

  127. “776.041 Use of force by aggressor. —The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

    (1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or

    (2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

    (a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
    (b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.”

  128. “The smartest man in the world has struck again! Maybe he taught Geography at Harvard?” Tex

    Yeah, so dumb he’s got a desk in the Oval Office.

    Cut him some slack. He was probably still hungover from the Secret Service party. 😉

  129. “OK, I’m going “off the grid” for a while rebuilding this machine. Wish me luck!” – R

    Good luck. Don’t worry, I’ve got this. Like harpooning catfish in a horse trough.

  130. Why would the SYG control when standard self-defense might apply? – ET

    So this scenario, in the middle of the street, initiating the contact, the dead man never fired his weapon, no attempt by the shooters to walk away. All that falls under standard self defense? Maybe I need to re-think this pacifist thing. 😉

  131. Yeah. It’s the duty to retreat that changes the analysis.

    I also cut the exception when one is the initial aggressor from the FL statute.

    I ran through this with R, who found the distinctions and limitations to nettlesome to contemplate.

    If you had something more to your hypothetical, it might change the result though.

  132. Oh, it appears there is another very important distinction between the statute and common law self-defense. The statue creates “immunity” from prosecution (and civil liability), whereas the the common law self-defense doctrine is what’s referred to as an “affirmative defense” to a charge of intentional homicide. It is important in terms of who bears the initial burden of establishing the defense, and most importantly “when.” Under the statute the case does not even proceed to trial if SYG is found to be applicable. As with the statute though, the common law removes the justification of the use of deadly force to the initial aggressor.

  133. A democratic surrogate questions whether Ann Romney has calluses on her hands and Republican’ts act as if she has stabbed the Virgin Mary in the eye with a flaming spear. A republican surrogate says of the President and the Secretary of State, “We need to cut their heads off.” – nary a peep from the great self-righteous speech police on the right.

    Hypocrites.

  134. If you’re referring to Nugent, I thought Romney did denounce it.

    But if it’s the ‘war on women” you want, by all means keep going. 😆

  135. If you’re referring to Nugent, I thought Romney did denounce it. ET

    “Divisive language is offensive no matter what side of the political aisle it comes from. Mitt Romney believes everyone needs to be civil,” said Andrea Saul, a Romney spokeswoman, in a statement.

    If by “denounce” you mean not saying anything, having a spokesperson blame both sides and never mention Nugent’s name, then yes he denounced, sort of.

    You guys complain about President Obama not being a strong leader, yet you nominate a dishtowel like that.

  136. Thor, North Omaha is one of the most violent places in the region. A radio talk show host got into trouble for comparing it to Baghdad several years ago. People are shot, and witnesses suddenly lose their memories. As former Cornhusker football player Thunder Collins said after he was convicted of murder “I ain’t no snitch!”

    South Omaha has a lessor gang and crime problem.

    Nebraska debated a stand your own ground law, but I think it was defeated.

    I supose the young men could have said a suspicous-looking white man was patrolling their neighborhood. They didn’t because as you wrote an assault rifle is expnentially more threatening than fists or skittles.

    There were at least two witnesses. Our friend said two women were laughing hard as the would-be intimidators practically fell over themselves when they ran back to their car. They probably didn’t want to do more than bully a white man or steal his wallet, but you never know. Our friend works in the neighborhood and his weapons are known.

    Our daughter is a therapist to young people mostly compelled to see her through court orders. Three of her clients have died. A fourth client killed one of the three. Many wear flack jackets or bullet proof vests when they are out at night, A client burned down one of the three offices last summer. One threatened a threapist and our daughter called the police. She doesn’t carry a gun, but she has an intimidationg way when she needs to.

  137. Ted Nugent was stupid to say what he did, but until the left disavows equally violent and disgusting statements from their allies in more than milquetoast forms, I won’t be too upset. Judge Nugent by the same standard as the Black Panther Party or Jimmy Hoffa. Obama was on the stage with Hoffa and he said less than Romney.

    I’m not sure Romney is a dish rag, though he may play one on the campaign. According to Red State, Obama’s campaign allies revived the story about the Romneys’ dog in a carrying case tied to the top of their car. Romney’s agents then helped spread the story that Obama ate dog meat when he was a boy in Indonesia.

    ” Mitt Romney is apparently not John McCain. McCain never adequately pushed back on things like this, and its definitely pleasant to see early indications that Romney will. Judging from the various mildly unhinged reactions from the usual suspects over on on the Left, this is coming as a bit of an unpleasant surprise to them.”

    Consider Romneys’ campaign history. He may not appear to be involved, but his helpers can get nasty.

  138. A little OT. This would have been better in the Trayvon discussion.

    I don’t follow a lot of the links posted here, but has anyone posted this one?

    Like all things that are really funny, it is funny because there is a lot of truth in it. Perhaps Trayvon had a nigga moment…or maybe George, maybe both…

  139. “What creature can run a longer distance without stopping than any other on earth? I’ll give you a big Poolman quality hint to narrow the choices down.
    They are bipedal.”

    Did you read “Born to Run?” The author talks about that very thing, and running down animals via tiring them out.

    I think a lot of that book is bogus. I bought some of those fancy “barefoot” shoes and tried running on my toes. I am beginning to think that whole book is made-up.

  140. Rutherford –

    re: the Christmas Tree story, and “I don’t buy it.”

    Buy it or not. As I have said previously on multiple topics, I don’t need to lie; I have done so many things in my life that the truth is sensational enough. AND the added advantage is that I don’t need to keep track of the lies in order to keep them straight. You noted I had told the story before; I wasn’t aware that I had done that here; is it any different?

    As for my mothers comment about kidnapping, I can quote her verbatum: “I wasn’t worried about them comin’ in on ME. I was afraid they might knock you in the head and carry you off.” Silly and irrational perhaps, but who knows what goes through an old country woman’s head on a dark snowy night with her young son among strangers who have just tried to break in the house?

    And who the fuck are you to question it? YOU are too pussified to even defend your family; you can be well be sure that fatal flaw does not exist in mine, by God. And don’t think for a minute an eleven year old won’t kill you, because he will.

  141. “Judge Nugent by the same standard as the Black Panther Party or Jimmy Hoffa.” – J

    My point exactly. If the NBPP had said they needed to chop Romney’s head off, do you think the right would be sitting on their hands, saying everyone just needs to be more civil.

    As far as Hoffa, I hope you are not referring to the FOX edited version. Or do you equate chopping people’s head off with voting people out of office?

    Hoffa’s quote: “Everybody here’s got to vote. If we go back & keep the eye on the prize, let’s take these sons of bitches out”

    I agree on calling out people on the left for violence, in words and action. But we are such pussies, you don’t have to worry about it too much. 😉

  142. Gawd Thor,

    What do you see in Obama? You would read like you call yourself a Christian. I don’t know that for a fact, but one thing I do know. Obama is an anathema to the message of Jesus Christ. If you can’t see that, you’re blind.

    Obama is a Chicago stooge, a thug, a failure, and a malignant narcissist. Did I mention Obama is married to a world class entitled harpy?

    Man, your better than this. I’ll bet you voted for Al Gore too.

    Frankly, you’re a man of vast contradictions. One minute you read like a solid human being. And in the next post, you’re defending the indefensible.

  143. I just listened to Nugent’s rant. 😆 😆

    Thor, you dawg. That kind of language goes on every day in your camp. Where were you when they were making a film, not a line on a radio in front of a bunch of NRA types, but a film depicted George Bush being assassinated WHILE BUSH WAS PRESIDENT?

    This selective outrage of you liberals is comical. I’m going to cut your head off. 🙂

  144. Yes, Hoffa qualified his comment with a reference to voting and taking out those SOBs. His fighting a war was the sort of rhetoric liberals charged Sarah Palin had used to cause the shooting in Arizona. Hoffa’s metaphors were more violent than Sarah’s. Yet, some liberals including some on TOB held her responsible for the shooting.

    Ted Nugent also referred to November elections by implication.

    He and the others were wrong, but until I hear outrage on the left about their miscreants, you can spare me your double standard of outrage.

    As Tex wrote, these right wing statements will disturb me after liberals clean their own messes. .

  145. Ted Nugent supposedly got expelled from my high school for riding a motorcycle down the hall. I’ve never seen anything even remotely corroborating that he even went to my schol, but that was always the legend.

    Thor, if I have to answer for the Nuge, does that mean you are on the hook for every leftist Rock star?

  146. The part that was pretty out there by the Nuge was his bit about being either dead or in jail if Obama wins. That wasn’t really metaphorical. Not sure what that means, to be honest.

  147. One of our hogs got out of the pen and ate some of my chickens. Some were pets I had trained to fly onto my head. I should have driven her back into the pen, but I was so angry, I ran her down until she couldn’t move any more. She laid gasping on the ground and looked at me.

    I was working on a term paper and watched a fox grab a chicken and run with it. I ran out of the house and chased the fox. I didn’t run the fox down, but I made it drop the bird because the weight of the chicken slowed it. The chicken was unhurt.

    Humans are tougher than they look.

  148. I don’t know what that part of his rant means either. He said it again on KFAB when he was interviewed. I’m not sure Ted knew what he meant. I have a guess. I’ve heard something like it before from other people. .

  149. By the way, Rutherford. The first black guy with the finger on the trigger looks scarier then the second dude for some reason. He has an odd look to him.

  150. The Nuge! Is he needing publicity again? I didn’t listen to his rant. Suffice it to say, some folks ought to stick to what they do best, and he sure plays a mean guitar.

    Thor, that was always my favorite one. Beats the cat scratch fever.

  151. Rutherford,

    The “do unto others” still applies with your silly “standards” addition.

    Sheesh. 🙄

    I don’t impose mine on you and you don’t impose yours on me. 😀

  152. Are you certain Gary’s finger is on the trigger? It almost looks like the background through the trigger guard. But it could be the tip of a finger.

    Hey, Rutherford. I think “Chris” attends Pastor Steven Anderson’s church down here in Tempe. You remember that guy, right?

  153. Tell you what. For an old fart like me, I believe Ted Nugent still strums a guitar with a pretty mean lick. When did You Tube start adding local advertisements? 😆 Give it the 15 seconds. Well worth the wait.

  154. “Frankly, you’re a man of vast contradictions.” – Tex

    I might not even be a man! 😉

    My values are consistent. Your perception of them only waivers when they don’t fit your own political views.

  155. “Where were you when they were making a film” – Tex

    Was the film a political add made by Kerry or one of his surrogates?

    Or was it a work of fiction?

    Nugent’s statement was real life and political. Nugent’s endorsement was solicited by Romney, given to Romney and touted by Romney.

  156. “Thor, if I have to answer for the Nuge, does that mean you are on the hook for every leftist Rock star?” – DR

    Only the ones that tout cutting off people’s heads.

  157. That pic of the Black Panther cracks me up. It looks like he is in his grandmother’s house. I keep picturing a voice screamong from the kitchen, “get your ass in here and finish these dishes or I’m going to smack you so hard your going end up in that Africa you’re always carrying on about!

  158. Thor, I thought I had read of you being your son’s father at your blog. I suppose it possible my memory has failed me – it happens.

    But unless your humor is of the facetious or flippant variety, and you seldom seem serious so that is a possibility thought your behavior here patterns the content of your blog, you are possibly the most confused person on this blog short of Poolman.

    Just more likable. And you’re a college basketball fan. There are redeeming qualities in the weakest of us. 😉

  159. Tex, that Wortham piece was great. Truer words never spoken.

    Did anyone get as much of a belly-laugh out of Thor’s mention of “the great self-righteous speech police on the right?” I went to bed giggling.

  160. Perfect timing! 😀

    NEGROES WITH GUNS

    Liberals have leapt on the shooting death of Trayvon Martin in Florida to push for the repeal of “stand your ground” laws and to demand tighter gun control. (MSNBC’S Karen Finney blamed “the same people who stymied gun regulation at every point.”)

    This would be like demanding more funding for the General Services Administration after seeing how its employees blew taxpayer money on a party weekend in Las Vegas.

    We don’t know the facts yet, but let’s assume the conclusion MSNBC is leaping to is accurate: George Zimmerman stalked a small black child and murdered him in cold blood, just because he was black.

    If that were true, every black person in America should get a gun and join the National Rifle Association, America’s oldest and most august civil rights organization.

    Apparently this has occurred to no one because our excellent public education system ensures that no American under the age of 60 has the slightest notion of this country’s history.

    Gun control laws were originally promulgated by Democrats to keep guns out of the hands of blacks. This allowed the Democratic policy of slavery to proceed with fewer bumps and, after the Civil War, allowed the Democratic Ku Klux Klan to menace and murder black Americans with little resistance.

    Read the rest… 😆

    http://www.anncoulter.com/

  161. Tigre, that was an excellent article re: greek columns. If Romney can now only stay on that train and not try to be a “man of the people”.

  162. “By the way, Rutherford. The first black guy with the finger on the trigger looks scarier then the second dude for some reason. He has an odd look to him.” – DR

    That’s because the first guy looks like he’s aiming, leading his target. The second guy is about to give himself a third nostril.

  163. Ha Ha! thor.

    I agree Ragi. The Democrats will portray Romney as out of touch. He should counter that Obama has proven he is out of touch, and his accedemic background has given him a world view isolated from most Americans.

  164. The links in 198 and 201 are blather. They might as well have Romney’s toothpaste logo on them.

    199 was intriguing. I even learned a new word, “abnegate”. I think I see where she is coming from. She is an intelligent person and earned her accolades, but likely has faced many people in her career that view her station as favor given solely because of her race or gender (not that anyone on this blog would ever engage in such prejudices 😉 ).

    But then she turns to Republican talking points. People voted for Obama because he was black, for which she offers no empirical evidence. She also insists that Obama’s policies are destined for, “destroying the most productive and the generators of wealth”, for which there is no empirical evidence.

    In spite of her reservations, I think she has received her wish. After all, Obama’s numbers have changed a great deal while his skin color hasn’t. He is now being judged on the content of his character, whether he was back then or not.

  165. AP release : George Zimmerman free on bail.

    MSNBC Headline: GEORGE ZIMMERMAN FREE on bail.

    FOX Headline: GEORGE free after PAYING EXCESSIVE BAIL.

    Just a prediction.

  166. “Tigre, that was an excellent article re: Greek columns. If Romney can now only stay on that train and not try to be a “man of the people”.”

    Yep. That’s the trick.

    The rest of his speech was dead on too. Be sure to listen or read it. I think it’s a winning message, and I like that he’s taking to Obama.

  167. “You would read like you call yourself a Christian. I don’t know that for a fact, but one thing I do know. Obama is an anathema to the message of Jesus Christ.” – Tex

    Actually, Romney and the Republicant’s are, according to these guys …

    “A week after House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan claimed his Catholic faith inspired the Republicans’ cost-cutting budget plan, the nation’s Catholic bishops reiterated their demand that the federal budget protect the poor, and said the GOP measure “fails to meet these moral criteria.”

    Catholic bishops are Christians, correct?

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2012-04-17/catholic-bishops-paul-ryan-budget/54361480/1

  168. Tex, you said a while back that you like Mt. Rainier. There’s a post on Freshly Pressed about snow boarding on Crystal Mt. It’s on the back side of Rainier. I think you’ll like the shots, but I’m warning you, you’ll have to “suffer” through some Seattle-esque prose and possibly a comment from one “confused” viking. 🙂

    The rest of you should check it out too. I know Northwest people, at times, come off as snobs that really don’t give a shit about the rest of the country, but look at our backyard. Sometimes we just can’t concern ourselves with acid rain or Sharia Law creep.

    These pictures were taken about an hour away from the house I grew up in. Probably more like an hour and a half now, with Californication. If I recall correctly, BiC’s place is about an hour northwest of Crystal, maybe even closer.

    http://mountaintracksmedia.com/2012/03/04/crystal-mountain-and-the-king/

  169. I am back, having slayed the tech dragon of upgrading to Windows 7. Making sure I didn’t lose my saved mail was a bit tricky there for a minute but I seem to be ok. Now back to business:

    Rutherford made statements about the law, even before bothering to read it

    I actually read the statute before you did doofus. In fact, your total ignorance of the entire Trayvon matter made your initial comments on the subject embarrassing.

    Aside to PC — El Tigre thinks if he says I mimic MSNBC enough times it will somehow stick. It actually makes him a one-trick-insult-pony.

    I DO watch a lot of MSNBC. I don’t take everything they say for gospel. But they have a liberal bent and so do I so it should come as no surprise to anyone that our outlooks align.

  170. I ran through this with R, who found the distinctions and limitations to nettlesome to contemplate.

    Pure BS. The fact that you can’t be the aggressor and then claim a SYG defense has NOTHING to do with my main objection to the statute which allows any busy-body with a gun to shoot someone. I quoted where in the statute the over-broadness lies … you don’t seem to want to acknowledge it.

    Furthermore I quoted a legal analyst (not employed by MSNBC) who stated the statute is paradoxical in that it demands a judgment on guilt or innocence pre-trial without the necessary evidence discovery that a trial would produce. You also didn’t find that worth “contemplation”.

  171. The statue creates “immunity” from prosecution (and civil liability), whereas the the common law self-defense doctrine is what’s referred to as an “affirmative defense” to a charge of intentional homicide.

    Maybe I’m misunderstanding you but the special prosecutor identified the SYG defense ALSO as an affirmative defense. The distinction that I heard was that the pre-trial case needs to be proven by the defense with a preponderance of the evidence, not beyond a reasonable doubt which is the prosecutorial burden in an actual trial.

  172. Thor, worse than “cut their heads off” Nugent said something about possibly being in prison by this time next year if Obama gets reelected. From what I understand, the Secret Service will be paying Ted a visit to see if they can cure his cat scratch fever.

  173. PF … I may be cutting a real thin distinction but I didn’t say you lied about the childhood story, I just felt perhaps some 40 years might have embellihed it a bit in your head.

    You didn’t explain why your Mom was uncomfortable with a fire arm.

    And as for my pussification … hey guilty as charged. As I told Tigre, the kickback from a gun would knock me right on my ass. Of all the people in the world who should NOT be playing with guns, I am at the top of the list.

  174. Shit. Dad’s home from the bar. 😆

    “The fact that you can’t be the aggressor and then claim a SYG defense has NOTHING to do with my main objection to the statute which allows any busy-body with a gun to shoot someone.”

    Huh?

    Happy hour special?

  175. Rutherford,we still have windows Xp. If our computer dies soon, maybe you can talk us through the recovery.

    My theory about Ted Nugent’s comment is he thinks a new Obama administration without the constraints of needing to run for another term will subvert the Constitution and turn the United States into a dictatorship.

    If that happens, Ted will continue with his mad rants and he will be a target. Thus, the authorities will arrest or kill him. Maybe he is thinking of the Russian woman punk rock group, two of whom are in jail for protesting in a church and displeasing Putin.

    Don’t laugh. One of my wife’s teacher friends was upset after other teachers sent a group e- mail demonstrating how Obama would turn the US into a dictatorship if he was re elected. She wondered what we thought. We of course told her to buy as many guns as possible and to be prepared to flee to Canada.

    Of course we didn’t say it. That was a joke.

    Whether or not you agree, with my theory, a conspiracy theory is circulating. A news reporter just said that the Secret Service has interviewed Nugent and decided his being a blowhard is no threat to anyone.

  176. Rutherford returning home from the bar today at 6:28 pm:

    “Furthermore I quoted a legal analyst (not employed by MSNBC) who stated the statute is paradoxical in that it demands a judgment on guilt or innocence pre-trial without the necessary evidence discovery that a trial would produce. You also didn’t find that worth “contemplation”.”

    ___________________________

    Rutherford March 24, 2012 at 8:39 pm:

    “So what is truly distinctive about Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law? It is this: while self-defense conventionally is just that — a defense, to be raised at trial — self-defense under the Florida law acts as an immunity from prosecution or even arrest. Section 776.032 of the Florida Statutes provides that a person who uses deadly force in self-defense “is immune from criminal prosecution.” This odd provision means that a person who uses deadly force in self-defense cannot be tried, even though the highly fact-intensive question of whether the person acted in self-defense is usually hashed out at trial. The law thus creates a paradox: the State must make a highly complex factual determination before being permitted to avail itself of the forum necessary to make such a determination. Emphasis mine. From: http://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/prawfsblawg/2012/03/trayvon-martin-and-floridas-stand-your-ground-law.html

    And yes … before you go there, I was pointed to this source by Chris Hayes. F*ck you.”

    _____________________________

    Tigre March 24, 2012 at 9:05 pm:

    “Incidentally, your Hayes’ quote appears to be dead on to me.”

    _____________________________

    Was I supposed to continue contemplating? 🙄

  177. I think the state of Washington is set up beautiful Thor for real epiphany.

    By the way, perhaps you weren’t aware of the Pope and the Catholic leadership beginning a crackdown on your beloved liberal theology. And I’ll be darned if I can find one place where Christ recommended taking on $5,000,000,000,000.00 in debt. In fact, He told us not take on debt at all. You tell me how Christian like it is to pass the Obama buck to future generations like your son.

    You are one confused man, Thor. On this one, I’m serious.

    Going to start the crackdown right in that little corner of your world.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2012-04-18/american-nuns-vatican/54396560/1

  178. The “do unto others” still applies with your silly “standards” addition.

    Wow, everybody was sensitive yesterday. Poolman, I wasn’t digging at you. I thought it was an interesting variation on the phrase since “do unto others” as usually stated does imply that what would be painful or upsetting to you is necessarily painful or upsetting to someone else.

    I just thought it was an interesting twist on things. No poke at you intended.

  179. That pic of the Black Panther cracks me up. It looks like he is in his grandmother’s house. I keep picturing a voice screamong from the kitchen, “get your ass in here and finish these dishes or I’m going to smack you so hard your going end up in that Africa you’re always carrying on about!

    Rabbit, I think you’ve accidentally captured the silliness of the NBPP thing altogether. Whites who are generally afraid of blacks, find these guys (all four of them) troubling. All other whites laugh at these guys and wonder why no one has told them it ain’t 1962 anymore.

  180. Tex quoting my buddy Ann Coulter. Gotta love it. I think I said somewhere in this thread that blacks with guns should be very cool for the NRA since they believe folks who feel afflicted should be armed. Sounds like Ann agrees with me.

  181. Shit. Dad’s home from the bar. 😆

    ….

    Happy hour special?

    Worse than that. It was a titty-bar so I’m totally distracted and off my game tonight. 😉

    Apologies to the fairer sex who frequent here.

  182. Actually I’m functioning on about four hours of sleep. After I installed Windows 7 last night, I checked for updates — 103 updates. OK fine, I installed them. Checked again assuming that was it — 12 updates. OK I installed them. Checked again — 20 updates. WTF?????

    Obviously certain updates (like .NET) then required subsequent updates (security patch to .NET). I’m a stubborn bastard who hates seeing a job half finished. I had a milestone I wanted to reach last night and by golly I was gonna get there. And I did …. head hitting the pillow at 4 in the morning. 😦

  183. “Incidentally, your Hayes’ quote appears to be dead on to me.”

    Damn, I’m so used to your disagreeing with me, I forgot about that rare exception. Of course, it wasn’t a “Hayes quote” but fine.

  184. Why do I bother with this? 🙄

    Because you want to stamp out ignorance wherever you find it. You’re a good man El Tigre. Join us progressives and fight for a fair America!!!!!

  185. You need more than sleep.

    Whites who are generally afraid of blacks, find these guys (all four of them) troubling. All other whites laugh at these guys and wonder why no one has told them it ain’t 1962 anymore.

    More like 20,000,000 of them, because 50% of blacks have become a new, equally stupid version of the Klan without standard issue garb. Now it comes in pink cowboy hats, black berets, and Congressional suits.

    This is one “white guy” that ain’t going to let you get away with the double standard in behavior. The problem with Black America ain’t pinky. It’s darkies….

  186. I was the only white man in a group of friends who hung out together on a base I served on.We were basically alike, so being afraid of them would be the same as being afraid of myself.

    Your writing “whites who are generally afraid of blacks” is the same profiling that Obama did when he said his grandmother was like many whites. Maybe whites are generally afraid of what some blacks do and fear other whites who behave similarly.

    Tex is right as far as he goes. Close to half of all whites have also carried stupidlty to a new level.

    Congratutions on finishing Rutherford. I only had four hours of sleep during our storms last weekend, so I feel for you.

  187. My guess about Ted Nugent’s concerns may be right. Nancy Pelosi wants to amend the first amenment. Nugent may appear at a fundraiser for a Nebaska candidate.

  188. The problem with Black America ain’t pinky. It’s darkies….

    Putting aside the questionable terminology, I don’t see what this has to do with my point. The NBPP is an anachronism. There aren’t fire hoses being trained on blacks anymore. Blacks have reached a stage where, if they’re smart, they can influence society through politics and business. I’m not saying it’s necessarily a fair fight yet, but it certainly ain’t 1962. The NBPP (all four of them) resemble weekend warriors who go out with their paint guns and play soldier. They’re silly and should be ignored.

    Now, if you think ANYONE who is fighting a legit fight for social justice is equivalent to the NBPP (the 20,000 you speak of) then it’s you that has the problem.

  189. Your writing “whites who are generally afraid of blacks”

    I was very careful not to say “all whites”. That’s why I said every other white (the ones who aren’t scared) laugh at the NBPP.

  190. This is not the first time Ted Nugent has said something patenly stupid and semi-threatening. He’s a horse’s ass who is very lucky he can play a good guitar. Otherwise, he probably would be in jail by now.

  191. I think it was Rabbit who said Gary Younge looks kinda odd. You should watch the interview. It doesn’t get any better when he looks straight at the camera. He’s not what I’d call a handsome man … and he sports the typical poor British dental health. (No offense to Political Capital.)

  192. “Now, if you think ANYONE who is fighting a legit fight for social justice is equivalent to the NBPP (the 20,000 you speak of) then it’s you that has the problem.”

    Yet this administration dedicated its resources going after about a dozen white Michigan Militia types to set an example of them.

    Have you no concept of what the application of double standards has on social justice?

  193. “Damn, I’m so used to your disagreeing with me, I forgot about that rare exception. Of course, it wasn’t a “Hayes quote” but fine.”

    I wasn’t agreeing with you. I was agreeing with whomever said it. You’re still 0 – 1,000. You don’t know shit. 😆

    And so there’s no mistake, I wasn’t applauding Romney for being a comedian. His approach to Obama through the entire speech was the right one. I think you’re too in love with Obama cult of personality to see it though. The turn around on the Romney dog issue v. eating dog is also fucking priceless. It all looks like a cheap shot, as does any criticism of this flawless man, to you I’m sure.

  194. I find Younge to be pretty typical liberal wordsmith especially in the realm of guns. All in all I find agenda driven “journalism” to be a bore no matter the direction it hails from.
    I watched a Vanguard episode on Current TV once about guns and the presenters were actually very fair. It can be done.

  195. Tigre, I see Obama way more clearly than you can imagine. The anger, hatred, vitriol, whatever you want to call it, aimed at him from his critics is off the chart. Always has been.

    Oh, a bit of logic for you since you seem to be lacking:

    If you agree with someone I agree with, you are agreeing with me. I know that bunches up your shorts but it is what it is. 🙂

    Aside to Tex, I live nowhere near the Nile. 😉

  196. On the wider note of the post and thread…
    I find it kind of out of touch with reality that the NBPP is viewed as a threat outside of the very moment they are in your face and you’re outnumbered. They epitomize that which the Boondocks embed illustrates. That vid btw was freakin’ hilarious.

    On the flip side though is that in the current economic times being aware that the lower classes represent a threat to ones safety is a solid truth. I don’t want to sound Derbyshire-ish but no matter the skin tone the lower rung of the storied 99% are in full crime mode. Couple that with various factors that make law enforcement less than optimal (911 is a joke in yo’ town) and it is understandable that populism creates legislation like SYG and folks buy guns and ammo.

  197. Alfie, I’m not sure I agree with you about Younge. Rather than paint the NRA crowd as loathsome animals, he acknowledged they were for the most part quite sociable, friendly and decent folk. In fact, he went out of this way to indicate that at the beginning of the interview.

  198. “A news reporter just said that the Secret Service has interviewed Nugent and decided his being a blowhard is no threat to anyone.” – J

    This is actually a very Zen-like solution. If Nugent was arrested, he would have worn it as a badge of honor and a certificate of deposit. But the people charged with guarding the President going on the record that Nugent is no threat, no badass, just sort of a loud mouth pussy, now that’s damaging. To a bravado broker like him,anyway.

    Still no God R?

  199. I don’t see how you can disagree with me except by putting words in my mouth. I didn’t say Younge called anyone loathsome animals; however,his report is clearly agenda based and consistent with the views held by his two primary employers,the Guardian and the Nation as well as the “lean forward” leftists of msnbc.

  200. Oh what the hell I’ll jump in2 the Nugent thing. Nugent is in a win win situation. He gets a badge no matter what happens.
    Being “cleared” by agents of the service that tried to go super discount on Colombian strange doesn’t damage him in the least.

  201. “Thor, I meant to commend you yesterday, You held down the fort with great ability while I was gone. Kudos!”

    My honor. Like I said, catfish in a horse trough. 🙂

    It did cut into my UEFA Champions League viewing though. (That was for James and possibly PC.) Chelsea’s Drogba topping Barcelona at the Bridge. Classic.

  202. “Going to start the crackdown right in that little corner of your world.” – Tex

    Well, if you’re going to milk cows, you don’t go to a chicken farm. 😉

    So the bishops are putting there foot down with the nuns. Imagine that. But thanks for informing me that the nuns had endorsed Obama’s health care plan. Wasn’t aware of that. Even more Catholics for Obama, seems to help my argument, not yours.

    You still didn’t explain why the Bishops hate Ryan’s plan.

    “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” Mark 12:17

    Sorry Grover, looks like you don’t get the last word on taxes.

  203. Still no God R?

    LOL sometimes fate twists in favor of the righteous. Let’s call it karma. Ted got what’s coming to him …. a derisive laugh and dismissal. 🙂

  204. “If you agree with someone I agree with, you are agreeing with me. I know that bunches up your shorts but it is what it is.”

    Yet your only basis for “agreeing” with it was that it appeared on MSNBC. Since you have no familiarity with criminal procedure, there was nothing for you to “agree or disagree with.” You were merely told of someone else’s opinion which you accepted because of its source.

    Accepting your logic it seems we are in agreement that you don’t know shit and will agree with anything presented to you on MSNBC and I agreed with something presented on MSNBC.

    So we do agree.

    Check mate. You win! 😆

  205. I think I would even mouth off at the Black Panthers. Aint scared. That being said, their strength in numbers should not be the litmus test. Highjacking a polling place without consequence is beyond ridiculous.

  206. “And yes … before you go there, I was pointed to this source by Chris Hayes.”

    Chris Hayes makes my ears bleed. Reminds me of the kid that always complained to the teacher about his grade … even when he got 100%.

    I prefer Now with Alex Wagner. She at least tries to get opposing views on her panel, and if they annoy you, you can always hit mute and still enjoy the “nicer” aspects of the show. (Hint Tex.)

  207. Yay Chelsea! They may have beaten Barcelona by one point, but a a win is a win. We don’t have cable, so I don’t often watch the sport.

    Yes, it is a win-win for Ted Nugent. He didn’t publicly recant and he said before that he doesn’t advocate violence. Ted will be fine. I am not a fan, but people who like his bombast will still think he is fighting for truth justice and the American way.

    Ted is on the Glenn Beck show as I write. He praised the federal agents, ” a fine young black man and fine young lady.” They joined him in a little prayer for the victims of the Oklahoma City bombing because that is where Ted is performing. Ted said “we got down to the beauty of metaphors. Intelligent people don’t need to have metaphors explained to them.” “Truth and logic win.”

    The “anger, vitriol and hatred” directed at Obama is his own bouncing back at him.

    We remember the Bush-Kerry campaigns. Democrats were certain they could win with Kerry’s record in Vietnam compared to Bush’s military record. The Bush staff turned it all against Kerry.

    Some of them now work for Romney. They turned Obama’s war on women against him last week with unwitting help from one of his allies, and they made Obama’s eating dogs a joke when they pushed the out of touche meme.

    i don’t know if it was coordinated or Montana Governor Brian Schweiter’s idea to say that Romneys’ father’s growing up in a Mexican polygamious family may be a problem for him. One can construe it to support the out of touch theme except that Obama’s father also had many wives.

    It is early. I think Romney will run a different campaign than McCain did. It will be nasty.

  208. “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” Mark 12:17

    Sorry Grover, looks like you don’t get the last word on taxes.

    Uh huh. But what is it you are rendering into God I wonder? In essence, men like you have determined God to be Caesar, in our case Obama, and now Caesar will administer his brand of social justice robbing Peter to pay Paul and pander for a vote.

    And to be honest, since your appearance, though you mouth the words, your actions speak of the heretical…

    Your man just added about $70,000 in debt to your family, including that boy you purport to love…Here you go, Homer.

    Owe no one anything except to love one another. ~ Romans 13: 8

  209. How do you know fate isn’t god? What about Karma? Maybe they are merely statistically probabilities, but you do you know?

  210. Well, well. Looks like we have clear confirmation that George Zimmerman was indeed bleeding from the back of the head and has no arrest record, though our corrupt media only added that news after his arrest.

    Even Alan Dershowitz says the charges are a sham. Zimmerman walks and Trayvon goes down in history as thug who met his destined fate. Suck it Libs.

    Buwahahahahahaha…

  211. Yet your only basis for “agreeing” with it was that it appeared on MSNBC. Since you have no familiarity with criminal procedure, there was nothing for you to “agree or disagree with.”

    Keep painting me the dumbass if it pleases you. I could have read that legal opinion from ANY source and I still would have agreed with it. The paradox expressed didn’t need a legal expert to understand it. It was plain sensible English. And my command of the language Sir Tigre is at least as strong as yours if not stronger.

    I know what makes sense to me and what sounds like bullsh*t. I don’t need a law degree to tell the difference.

  212. Highjacking a polling place without consequence is beyond ridiculous.

    Much ado about nothing … always was, always will be. There was NO documentation of anyone turning away from that polling place because of intimidation. There was no hijack. Just the “scary black guy” brandishing a club to compensate for a limp dick.

  213. Thor, Alex Wagner definitely makes me sit straighter in my seat (to borrow a phrase from National Review’s Rich Lowry). But I have to disagree with you about Hayes. Yes, I get the whiny over-achiever vibe that you do. But his show “Up” almost always features a conservative on the panel and some weekends the debate is quite lively as it was last weekend when some conservative twit started spewing the usual garbage about the NBPP.

  214. “In essence, men like you have determined God to be Caesar” – Tex

    There are no other men like me, and you couldn’t be more wrong. And you have yet to explain why the Catholic Bishops have such a problem with the Catholic upbringing-inspired budget of Mr. Ryan. Could it be that instead of robbing Peter to pay Paul, Ryan robs the sick and poor to pay the rich and feed the war machine?

    Of course, I’m more likely in for one of your Hanibal Lecter-esque deconstructions of my personality than any attempt to defend the cold-hearted morality of the right.

  215. “And to be honest, since your appearance, though you mouth the words, your actions speak of the heretical…” – Tex

    Well thank God my faith does not require your sanctification.

  216. Nora O’Donnell is prettier too… the only TV lib I can think of offhand that I find wonderfully beautiful, though I couldn’t stand to be around her longer than doing the dirty deed. Most lib women I’ve seen and met are pumice faces and smell like men. 😆

  217. No, it does not. But discernment is part of being a Christian, is it not? And it’s my opinion the requirement for sanctification is not going to pass His measure either by the conclusions you reach. Grace isn’t a free pass – there are some restrictions. Jesus name was not Caesar, though yours apparently is.

    You don’t come to the conclusions you do, Thor and be situated with The Gospels. I think your “sanctification” is cafeteria style, I like the fried chicken, I don’t like the brisket, I like the cherry pie, I don’t like the green beans.

  218. I love Norah O’Donnell but ever since she went to CBS she doesn’t smile and laugh as much. Maybe she thinks the new job requires more gravity.

    Tex, with your conservative “value system” I assure you, most lib women wouldn’t let you get close enough to do the “deed”. Don’t flatter yourself. 😐

  219. Regarding 279, most religious people are of the cafeteria variety. Considering so many religions full of contradiction and irrational declarations, it is no wonder few buy the full “menu”. I’m quite sure Tex you’ve got some green beans of your own.

  220. Rutherford, how wonderfully naive you are. I knew you’d come back with one of your puerile, virgin comments – because you were one until the age of 39. Come on man, let’s not lead on like you’re worldly with the women, sport. 😉

    If I weren’t over 50, I’d share with you a more promiscuous day where I USED your feckless, lib women before I got my own act together. 😈

    Trust me. I know a lot more about you that you do about me.

  221. “You don’t come to the conclusions you do, Thor and be situated with The Gospels.”

    Which Gospel states, “Stroke thy ego with pride of thy former conquests” ?

    Or was 282 a typo?

  222. Trust me. I know a lot more about you that you do about me.

    I kinda doubt that. You have much too much confidence in your assumptions.

    But what “virgin comment” are you referring to? Suggesting that you’d never get any liberal “action” doesn’t imply virginity at all. There are loads of conservative babes whom I’m sure would love you in the sack. 😉

  223. Thor, See Rutherford? He’s on your side. He’s also an atheist for all practical purposes and openly hostile to Christianity. See Gypsy – she’s on your side. She’s also an atheist and openly hostile. See Fake. She’s on your side. Same story. Ever watched Bill Maher? He will vote with you this November. Larry Flynt? Right there with you. ALCU – in your camp. So is NARAL, Planned Parenthood, NAMBLA, and a host of others. See a pattern?

    We formulate our conclusions about life, more specifically politics in this matter from our core beliefs. Your conclusions are inconsistent with God’s Word. Frankly, your constant flippancy is tedious.

    You read an incredibly insecure person, in addition to constantly lying to yourself.

    Rutherford stroking you is nothing to be complimented about. He’s a lost cause. Stick around long enough and be honest in your critique and maybe you’ll begin to figure it out. But I doubt it, because you are Rutherford (for all practical purposes) and a reprobate.

  224. If I weren’t over 50, I’d share with you a more promiscuous day where I USED your feckless, lib women before I got my own act together.

    Lib women, as a rule, are the cheapest sluts in town – and easily led astray. 😉 That wasn’t bragging in the least. It’s a fact. Cheap and easy, generally accompanied by ugly.

    What part of “before I got MY OWN ACT TOGETHER” did you miss, genius? I read my statement again, and it hardly reads something I was proud of – hence the over 50 comment.

  225. Damn …. I KNEW I shouldn’t have posted those orgy pictures!!!!

    Hey, rather than peek at me Fat Grannies style, why don’t you just “friend” me? I’ve got nothing to hide and if I did I sure as hell wouldn’t post it to Facebook. 😆

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