The True Impact of Occupy — Our New Language

The Occupy [fill in the blank] Movement has gotten some (deservedly) bad press and has temporarily faded from view. Critics pointed at the crudeness (and sometimes criminality) of the crowds. There were cries of no real message, no action plans, just slackers camping out instead of punching into work.

This observation is not particularly profound but if Occupy never has any future impact whatsoever, they have one lasting legacy. Were it not for Occupy, we would not be talking about wealth inequality in such a concise and powerful way — the 99% vs the 1%.

Almost as if a Hollywood script were being followed, who has the Republican party cast in the role of Presidential nominee? After his triple crown victory in Maryland, Washington, D.C., and Wisconsin, it is quite clear that Willard “Mitt” Romney will be Barack Obama’s opponent this coming Autumn. Mitt thinks a few hundred thousand dollars is chump change for speaking fees. Mitt starts the betting at ten thousand dollars. Mitt casually brags that his wife drives two Cadillacs. Mitt has a lobbyist on the payroll to help him get a permit to renovate his California mansion to accommodate an elevator for his cars.

In short, Mitt is the walking poster boy of the 1%. Let’s be clear. There is no inherent shame in being wealthy. I believe Mitt worked for just about every dime he has. It’s a matter of how you carry that wealth. Mitt seems to carry it totally oblivious to the fact that most people don’t share his experience. It is not so much what has gone into Mitt’s pockets but what comes out of his mouth that defines him.

While the Occupy movement never endorsed Barack Obama or his policies, you have to think they are tailor-made for him this year. They came along just in time to frame the debate in a way that makes some forget about Obama’s mistakes. By changing the language we use concerning wealth inequality,  Occupy has made it virtually impossible for Mitt Romney to be elected President of the United States. That is the ultimate political impact even if that was not their original intent.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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349 thoughts on “The True Impact of Occupy — Our New Language

  1. By changing the language we use concerning wealth inequality, Occupy has made it virtually impossible for Mitt Romney to be elected President of the United States. That is the ultimate political impact even if that was not their original intent.

    That’s parody, right? President Mitt Romney will owe OWS royalties after his election for their unfortunate timing concerning their clear support of Obuma.

    OWS = that which will remind America of exactly who and what it is that Obama truly represents – the absolute dregs of our country, as normal, ordinary Americans witness the soldiers of Obama’s army raping, pillaging and bringing forth plague to our once great land. 😀

  2. Mitt represents to me what has become of our leadership. He is certainly a product of business and is probably a perfect poster child for the success of a capitalist system of economy.

    I can’t fault him there. Born in the right place at the right time. He certainly has played the game well. I do, however, find fault in this world system and its opposition to God’s established order.

    The OWS crowd is the one Jesus would minister to if he was walking the planet today. Humanity hasn’t changed since then. The outcasts, the broken, the dirty, the poor and down trodden, all still have his sympathy and compassion.

    Those that “have it together” don’t need Him and think they are deservedly blessed. Silly humans. The cameras are rolling. 😉

  3. Really there are only two types of people in this world. No matter the genetics or environmental factors imposed, it boils down to two distinct sides. We add the embellishment. Those two sides can choose to switch sides at any present or future given moment. That is what makes each moment of life so vital and profound.

    One side will sacrifice for you to survive versus another that would stomp you to survive. It’s the classic story of good and evil.

  4. Obama and his family live like the 1%, so he doesn’t have much room to say he is one of the rest of us. He will try. The problem with OWS is they are so unsavory, they have discredited themselves. Obama may use the class warfare implicit with OWS but if he wins, it will be in spite of OWS. I am assuming Romney or whomever will fight Obama as hard as the Republicans battled each other and not as McCain did.

    The sixties and seventies anti-war movement didn’t work too well with Mcgovern Democrats.

  5. Tex, your argument fails on its basic premise … that OWS was pro-Obama. It was NOTHING of the kind. OWS railed against wealth inequality and indicted business and government for not solving the problem. Unlike you and your Tea Party friends, the OWS folks knew they didn’t need to parade around with Obama in a Hitler mustache to get their point across. 😐

  6. Mitt and Ann Romney donated Mitt’s inheritance to BYU’s George W. Romney Institute of Public Management and joined the board and was vice-chair of the Points of Light Foundation.

    Obama and Shelly go to Monaco and Hawaii on the public dime, in separate jets.

  7. #6….Bullloney.

    Obama’s up to his eyeballs in OWS body funk. OWS is a front group for today’s version of Weather Underground.

    Obama suckles at the OWS titty for $5.00 donations.

  8. Hard to believe you just wrote #6, “R”. That lie was so bold, it even blinded me.

    What side of the rainbow you working today? OWS is SEIU in Birkenstock, banging on a drum instead of steel toes banging on someone’s head.

    The only people OWS are enraged in are some nebulous Wall Street character and Rupert Murdoch. Why aren’t they going after Ted Turner?

  9. James, unlike Mitt, Obama came from humble beginnings. But that’s beside the point. You need to deal with image. Obama projects empathy toward the poor. Romney doesn’t seem to know they exist.

    Understand … I’m not claiming Romney is malicious. I don’t think he can help himself. He has lived so high on the hog so long he just doesn’t understand how to project empathy.

    There’s a famous incident, possibly urban legend, but it’s told nonetheless that during FDR’s funeral procession, a man dropped to his knees sobbing. The man next to him asked “Did you know the President?” The sobbing man replied “no, but he knew me.”

    Similarly John F. Kennedy, rich as a motherf*cker made an effort to reach out to the poor while on the campaign trail.

    So it’s not the wealth per se, it’s the way you deal with it. On this score, Romney is a big fat fail.

    P.S. In his missionary work, Romney had shown a very empathetic human side. Notice that for reasons that totally escape me, he doesn’t stress this in his public image at all.

  10. Poolman opined:

    “Really there are only two types of people in this world. ….. One side will sacrifice for you to survive versus another that would stomp you to survive. It’s the classic story of good and evil.”

    Nonsense. There are only two types of people: those that divide people into two types, and those that do not.

  11. OWS doesn’t support Obama. Sorry. More of them are Ron Paul supporters, if ANY “politico” at all is supported. He may “sympathize” with them. But most are anti-establishment.

  12. What exactly has Obama done for the poor again?

    Besides further their unemployment and create millions more of them, that is?

  13. Anti establishment is Obama Klan. Anti establishment carrying a peace sign, and banging a drum are Ron Paul loons.

  14. Tex, Mitt needs you as campaign manager cos I’m telling you … the dude ain’t communicating the image you project.

    I’ve heard Mitt say that he earned every dime he has. I believe him. Now he needs to stop saying sh*t like “I’m not worried about the poor unless the safety net is broken.”

  15. Surely you aren’t going to go off on one of those old, tired rants of George Bush/Mitt Romney/Dick Cheney are out of touch again. Won’t work this time, because everybody recognizes Mr. and Mrs. Michelle Antoinette are the ultimate classless, entitled public mooches.

    Clearly, Romney was saying he wasn’t worried, but to insinutate the poor are already cared for – he followed that with a line about improving the middle class environment which never makes mention.

    Since the economy and jobs are numero uno, what exactly is Obama’s field of expertise concerning business and industry again?

    It’s so, so, so nice for Obama to now have a record with which to compare.

  16. Lol. Rutherford the dumb headed fool, famouse for his idiotic predictions and lack of a social compass has put on his jester hat for an encore!

    Bravo! Bravo!

    It’s official. Romeny will be the next president.

  17. It’s official. Romeny will be the next president.

    😆 Rutherford has sealed O’BlameA’s fate.

    The Rutherford Kiss of Death.

  18. Regarding 17 and 18, if my predictions are so piss poor, then Romney won’t be the nominee at all …. do you REALLY think Santorum will beat Obama?

    Keep dreaming … and be careful which of my predictions you reject. 😉

  19. Rutherford, we aren’t sure what Obama’s beginnings were.Like many things about , his early life have mysterious gaps.

    He did a lot of things I couldn’t have done. I believe he went to a tony school in Hawaii, and somehow, he found the money or help to attend name universities. He also traveled to parts of Asia, including Pakistan around 1980. Someone spent money on him.

    I wonder if he earned enough to support himself as a community organizer and lawyer.

    I agree, he probably had many difficult times, including suffering to the loss of his father who abandoned him and later his mother. He also had trouble fitting in when he lived in Indonesia.

    His beginnings look more middle than lower class to me. Both men will be faking their empathy, and Obama also has to fight his poor record. Hope and Change has left town.

  20. We do know a few things about Barry’s upbringing – everyone of little Barry’s mentors and guardiances was a black radical, a commie both white and black, a hippie, a serial sperm donor, and/or a racist.

    Short of that, everything looks pretty peachy for Barry’s formative years. 🙂

  21. “Thought of the day: Why do we let soldiers board commercial planes first?”Hot Air has a video of Bill Ayres and Bernadette Dohrn speaking at an occupy encampment to encourage the spring offensive. They mean more to Barrack than “just a man who lives down the street.”

    They accomplished something which rarely happens to me. I am so angry my capacity for rational thought and speech is limited.

    I am tuning out tonight and calming down with Jousnen Jarved, a Vepsian band. They are part of a small shamanistic population sometimes called the Magic People. They are as close to a Cro- magnon band that we will see. Its in their genes and bone structure.

  22. For obvious reasons I disagree with the entirety of your post.

    1.Your opening falls flat primarily due to the fact that the publics displeasure and disconnect with Occ *blank* will only resurface if Occ does too. Their future message will not only be a shadow of its past but the iinertia of the deserved truncheon upon their heads from those just sick of them.
    2. Although I have no doubt Mitt $$ will be targeted by the dishonest humps that are the Dem machine and its allies I don’t think it will play. Who was the last “poor” POTUS???
    3.I think you’ve gobbled up too much of the anti-Mitt hype goo. Spit spit spit please for your own good. Mitts apparent detachment from the great unwashed is a false perception. I’d say the flip contrast would be (at least for me) to say that Obama doesn’t give a crap about a dead service member. He has been as genuinely articulate about it as W was but I think he feels it. The same applies to Mitt in the econ column.
    4. OWS and its great lesson of 1% which isn’t original by any means will not be what acts as a bump in the road for Romney.
    5.OMFG!!!!!!!! Obama, humble beginnings????????

  23. Alfie, what I enjoy about your comments is more often than not they show evidence you actually read the piece. Even when we disagree which is most of the time I appreciate the time you take to critique.

    1.Your opening falls flat primarily due to the fact that the publics displeasure and disconnect with Occ *blank* will only resurface if Occ does too. Their future message will not only be a shadow of its past but the iinertia of the deserved truncheon upon their heads from those just sick of them.

    I guess I failed to get this point across: the 99% vs 1% meme has taken on a life of its own … hatched by Occupy and now flying high on its own. It does not suffer guilt by association or to put it differently, it suffers guilt by association with Progressives, not Occupiers.


    2. Although I have no doubt Mitt $$ will be targeted by the dishonest humps that are the Dem machine and its allies I don’t think it will play. Who was the last “poor” POTUS???

    This one I made clear …. it’s not the money itself. It is how the candidate carries his wealth. Romney comes across tone deaf.


    3.I think you’ve gobbled up too much of the anti-Mitt hype goo. Spit spit spit please for your own good. Mitts apparent detachment from the great unwashed is a false perception. I’d say the flip contrast would be (at least for me) to say that Obama doesn’t give a crap about a dead service member. He has been as genuinely articulate about it as W was but I think he feels it. The same applies to Mitt in the econ column.

    Obama allowed cameras to witness our departed soldiers coming home, something his predecessor did not. I think that is a contrast.


    4. OWS and its great lesson of 1% which isn’t original by any means will not be what acts as a bump in the road for Romney.

    That video actually SCREAMS Occupy. Interesting that Romney would co-op the Occupy feel for his video. Perhaps that is what you are saying here?


    5.OMFG!!!!!!!! Obama, humble beginnings????????

    Let me see, raised by single mother on public assistance, and middle class grandparents. Hardly a silver spoon in his mouth, Alfie. Now let me repeat for the record, I don’t think being rich is anything to apologize for. But you’ve got to come off HUMAN. As of this moment, Romney comes off like a robot. He better get REAL real soon or he will lose in November.

  24. Not a lot of time but real quick. Rutherford your spin makes me feel like I’m on Wheel of Fortune.
    Obama raised…. in an environment that saw him attend prestigious schools and be afforded access that clearly transcends some affirmative action roll of the dice.

  25. Fellows, I don’t think very many conservatives are giving enough consideration to the damage done to the Republicans by the contraceptive brouhaha – especially Limbaugh’s and that zealot lunatic Santorum’s big mouths We think of them as sideshows; the Dems, and especially women, think of them as the Party spokesmen.

    The Right has a very big gender gap to overcome on a *good* day, and the Left has wrapped the “Republicans’ War on Women” around the Republican party’s neck like a big, stinking, dead albatross. (HT to Coleridge) Romney, whom I think is pretty middle-of-the-road, is going to have a headwind all the way. My bet is that Obama beats him; God help us.

  26. I agree with Pfesser. There is no war on women. The Republicans let the Democrats twist freedom of religion dispute into denial of contraception, and Rush led the way. A poll shows Obama gaining among women, and contraception is an important contributing factor.

    Class warfare is another productive issue for Democrats, and they will use a resurrected OWS to convince voters we need to soak the rich.

    If Obama beats Romney and Republicans hold the House or win the Senate, we will survive. If Democrats sweep the election, Pfessor is right. The United States as we have known it will be dead.

  27. Pfesser, there have been two names floated that COULD save Romney’s ass. The first, a 1,000 to one long shot is Condie Rice for VP. That would put blacks and women and black women in a real friggin’ bind. They would want so badly to pull the trigger for her.

    The next best possibility and MUCH more likely is Susana Martinez of New Mexico. This might help Romney’s problem with Latino’s. However, Martinez has already said she’s not interested. And her predecessor, Libertarian Prez wanna be Gary Johnson says that’s good cos it’s Palin redux.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/04/johnson-mittmartinez-would-be-palinesque-119605.html

  28. R – there’s a Hispanic guy in Florida that everybody keeps talking about. I haven’t been following the VP choices, do you know who he is and anything about him? Rubio I think is his name.

  29. “Rubio I think is his name.” – Pf

    Nice.

    It has to be Rubio. If Florida goes to Obama, there’s almost no path to the Oval Office for mittens.

    Now, for all you conspiracy types, want to know why the stand your ground law is getting so much air time? Rubio voted for it and Jeb signed it.

    Pf, I saw a product on CNBC that made me think of you. It is a plane that can be licensed as a car as well. I think it is called the Transition. Didn’t quite catch the name. Heard of it?

  30. It’s Thurston Howell the Third vs. the Professor (if you are a Democrat) or vs. Gilligan (if you are a Republican). I’d rather sit on a bench next to Mary Ann and share some of her coconut cream pie than try to convince Tex that Obama or OWS have any redeeming value. We’ll find out in November.

    But R, could you hold off on the predictions? This is going to be tough enough without that jinx on my back. I might have to pull out the rabbit’s paw AND the chicken’s foot. 😉

  31. “Celebrating his victory in the …primary on Tuesday night, Romney spoke up about the prominence of businesses owned by Asians…
    “We got to do something about These Asians coming in and opening up businesses and dirty shops.” Romney said in remarks first reported by WRC-TV. “They ought to go. I’m going to say that right now…” Romney’s career is over.

    Oh wait. I must have misread. Ward 8 DC Councilman Marion Barry, not Romney said it. No problem.

    There would have been an uproar no matter who said it twenty years ago. We are changing.

    I wasn’t being dramatic. Look at how our country has changed during the last decade and project the future if the trend continues. The United States will still exist, but it won’t be the country we grew up in. 2027 a projected date when we won’t be able to pay our bills is coming.

    I was being sarcastic about ALEC. Leftists do the same thing they are doing. I do believe some people who vote should not. Red, black, white or green, if they don’t know who their representatives are, they should not vote. The folks on Jay Leno’s Jay Walkers are mostly white. They should not be allowed within a quarter mile of a polling place.

    Omaha’s mayor Jim Suttle faced a recall. His organization used buses to take homeless people to the polls. Local news stations recorded it. The operation was canceled after a man asked “Where’s my money?”

    We need people with a working knowledge of the issues. Too many voters are clueless and get their news from Saturday Night Live or talk shows. Rush L and Bill M are poor news sources.

    Read the article in the Washington Examiner. Then read the CBO and other’s predictions about our deficit. Then, tell me I deserve an Oscar.

  32. thor –

    Flying cars have been the holy grail for a very long time. The original flying car from the ?fifties? – the Taylor (Aerocar?) has just recently been restored. A guy named Moller did a very fancy, very fast red plastic flying car. I saw it on static display at the Oshkosh air show, but have never seen it fly. The current thing is the Terrafugia Transition, which is very well-designed I am told. I think the French have another very cool design based on the autogiro.

    Flying car notwithstanding, the car is not the problem. Flying a car is flying an airplane, not a car, and it really takes some training to keep from splatting yourself over the earth’s windshield, commonly known as the ground. The flying car people seem to be still missing that concept.

  33. Actually Pfesser, I just read an article this morning about the war on women thingy, and the contraception issue having very little impact for the vote on married women and women over 50. They remain steadfast in the camp of the Republican candidate and are some of President Foodstamp’s most vocal critics.

    However…

    It did have a huge impact on unmarried independent women and women under 50, turning a full 20% points toward President Foodstamp in less than two weeks. If they had left it as 1st Amendment issue, the war was over. But Hell No – they had to revert to Puritanical status.

    Never discount the ability of idiot Republicans to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

    I will say this. For anybody not calling themselves a “progressive”, a liberal, or a socialist…

    If America is stupid enough to once again elect this clear abject failure and thug as President, and make no mistake Obama is a thug, no longer caught up in the historical perspective and the blank slant of a record, then we deserve to go down in a ball of flames, and frankly I’ll be rooting like Poolman for it.

    But I have confidence that when gas goes to $6.00 a gallon this summer in places across the states, and the additional 75 cents of reformulated gasoline is added to the cost, these independent women might gather what little sense they own and recognize survival more important the free contraception and obtaining taxpaer funded abortions.

    I don’t mean to sound arrogant, but this is a fact:

    Most people in the U.S. don’t understand downgrades, trillion $ debt, the Middle East conflict and threat of Iran, sharia law, U-235, Fannie Mae.

    But they do understand the pain of $100.00 to fill a gas tank.

    😐

  34. “But they do understand the pain of $100.00 to fill a gas tank.”

    Tell me about it. I have a ’94 F250 4WD with a 351 V8 engine. It has two, fifteen-gallon tanks and needs ’em both. I drive my ten year-old Toyota Corolla a lot these days.

  35. During his golfing vacation at Martha’s Vineyard – President Obama had been slicing off the tee on every hole.

    He asks his Scottish born caddy if he has noticed any obvious reasons for his poor tee shots, to which the caddy replies:

    “Aye, there’s a piece of shyte on the end of yer driver.

    “The President picks up his driver and cleans the club face, at which point the caddy says:

    “No, the other end.”

  36. I just put $68.00 in 2008 Honda Accord an hour ago. 🙄 Why did I leave my job again?

    And my wife wants to drive 3,500 miles round trip on vacation this summer in an SUV?

    I said, “Honey, it would be a heck of a lot cheaper to start scouring for four plane tickets on Toejam Airlines and rent an Aveo at the airport to drive into the mountains.

    😆

  37. You got one of those honking F250s? Damn, I looked at a new one and the MSRP was $54,000!!! The stinking F150 was $39,000!!!!

    Last time I bought an SUV, you could buy a Porsche SUV for that. I about shit myself.

    I think I’ll keep this POS Ford Explorer that the dogs ate a huge hole in the driver’s seat – the wheels are about to rot off it.

  38. Yeah, I’m not about to buy one new. This F250 was my brother’s. It is a ’94 model – what would that be, eighteen years old? He caught cancer from smoking and wanted to get something that rode a little nicer and didn’t jostle his back. He wanted to sell it and hell, I really didn’t have a choice even though I didn’t need a truck. He sold it to me for $5000 – more than it was worth, really, and I had to do a lot of work on it. It had salt-cancer really bad; I had to replace the bed (found one on the Internet on a newer truck that the engine compartment had a fire and totalled the front end). New spring hangers, paint job, rustproofing paint when I had it apart, ad infinitum. When I need a truck, though, it’s a damned horse…I just can’t afford to drive it.

  39. Yeah, I really like those F250s. I’d like to have one, but it was never practical when the kids were growing up and I had money. 🙂

    Now, I’ve got need for one (kind of) and put $70.00 in Honda Accords. My wife has driven our Acura so many times back and forth to Houston, it’s starting to approach like 170K. Even a luxury car is pushing it when they get near 200,000, and I told her it’s probably time to start driving the Accord which collects dust in the garage.

    And since everything went to ethanol, even the mileage is starting to suck in 6 cylinders. The days of getting 30mpg on the highway are over with. You’re lucky to get 25mpg at 70mph.

    My Ford Explorer V8 doesn’t get much better than your F250. I don’t even try to figure out the mileage anymore, because it would probably make me sick. I put about 7 gallons in it, drive it 60 miles or so back and forth to the grocery store or lumber yard, and restart the process.

    Because the minute the Explorer breaks down, I’m going to give it to the VoTech.

  40. Not to get on a truck thing here, but a few years ago I was running some cattle and my truck was a fairly new Dodge turbodiesel. It had the big Cummins engine and a six-speed manual transmission. I thought that with six speeds I’d have enough gears for highway, too, but it was set up for towing with a .411 rear end (very low for an engine that tops out at 3200 rpm). The engine was loud anyway – which I liked but everybody else hated – but at Interstate speeds it sounded like a Spitfire taking off. Absolute top speed 90 mph.

    I bought a GearVendors overdrive and installed it myself. Amazing. This damned truck went from 15 mpg (still pretty good for a vehicle that weighed 7300# empty) to 18. I could get 21 on lowland flat ground like at the coastal areas. It transformed that damned truck. I drove 18hrs straight to Oshkosh with my kids and we had an absolute ball. Shifting twelve gears in traffic got pretty old, though. LOL

    That truck had so much power, one day I was towing about 4 ton of cow and happened to look in my outside mirror. “Who is that sonofabitch driving right on my ass?” Turned out to be my own trailer; I had forgot I was towing. Great equipment. If I ever get rich I’m going to buy one just to have for fun.

  41. I think it’s all the crushes young women have on Jolting Joe Biden…he’s such a hunk – and a genius.

    😀

  42. Rubio is nice looking. It could happen.

    Joe Biden must fill the dreams of home health care nurses. His wit and physique are incomparable.

    Sheriff’s deputies attended our town’s city council meeting. They wanted witnesses to an incident with the former mayor. He had had a disagreement with his teenaged daughter and she jumped out of the pickup while it was moving. He stopped, picked her up and threw her into the pickup. Someone saw and reported the incident.

    The deputies wanted witnesses’ statements. One of the council members said “I saw it and if it happens again I will kill him. The deputy said “You ought not talk like that in case he turns up dead.”. The man replied “Why not? I would kill him.”

    The deputies shocked the council when they told them the former mayor was a convicted felon in Utah. It was against the law for him to be mayor. He had resigned after his wife caught him cheating in a bar and hit him in the stomach with a crescent wrench in front of God and everybody..

    Another man we know visited his mother on the same day. Two men asked if she had seen him. She said he was sitting on her couch watching television. The men came in grabbed the man and threw him on the floor. They hand- cuffed him and took him to their car. They were bounty hunters after the man for an outstanding warrant.

    A man had built a fence ten feet over the property line. Deputies told him he had to move the fence. He did but then threw fence posts at the deputies.

    Someone at the council meeting said “We didn’t think you even knew where our town is.” “We do now.”

  43. I might have to pull out the rabbit’s paw AND the chicken’s foot. 😉

    I doubt the rabbit’s paw will do you any good, Rabbit is voting for Romney. 😦

  44. Well, I did something tonight I haven’t done in 16 months. I went to a movie!

    Paid $24.00 for two tickets and $8.00 for popcorn to watch Wrath of the Titans in 3D. Couple of school kids, well over 100 years lived between them, watching Greek mythology junk. 😆 Even snuck our Koolies in in my wife’s suitcase.

    I’d never gone to a 3D big screen before. The 3D preview of The Hobbit looked pretty interesting.

  45. Tex, maybe if you watch Obama with your 3D glasses on, he’ll look better to you? 😉

    I’m going to bed “early” tonight gang. It’s tax time and I’ve misplaced all the paperwork on the closing of my old house from last year. I am royally pissed off.

    “See” y’all (h/t to Romney) tomorrow.

  46. R – re Apple and trojans.

    That is a Java problem, not an OSX problem. Java is written by Oracle and has known vulnerabilities, and Java is something you have to add to the Mac. Apple solved that problem a long time ago and anybody who picks up that trojan is not keeping his Mac up to date. My machines are all set to automatically update their software (Of course, in a very Mac-like way, it asks “Mother, may I,” first…).

    Read that old Daring Fireball screed “Broken Windows.” It explains why viruses are not a problem for Macs. Here is an explanation of the original “Broken Windows” theory.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory

    Mac lives in a clean, law-abiding neighborhood (a Zimmerman-like place) and all such broken windows are fixed immediately. Windows lives in a very Trayvon-like place where crime is tolerated, and that’s what you get. (Sorry, had have a little fun with you…)

  47. Mac lives in a clean, law-abiding neighborhood (a Zimmerman-like place)

    😀

    Obama could be 4 dimensional “R”, and still look like a superficial turd to me.

    I had to laugh last night as I pushed my easy going wife to the car, then to the theater. I rush her down there, skip the lines with my credit card, I tell her let’s go get good seats as she’s trying to buy popcorn and I’m dragging her along, so we scurry down the huge hall (her eyes are rolling by this time), we enter the theater – and it’s empty. 😆 Completely empty.

    You can imagine her smart ass comments following. She bounds up the stairs, jogs down the aisle, plops her butt down in a center seat, and says, “Boy, that was lucky!” 😈

    Get this – I timed it. 31 minutes of previews. I kid you not. The movie only lasted 91 minutes.

  48. Tea Parties live in “a clean, law-abiding neighborhood (a Zimmerman-like place) and OWS lives in a very Trayvon-like place where crime is tolerated, and that’s what you get.”

    Frontpagemag.com interviews Ying Ma a Chinese woman who moved to Oakland, California with her parents when she was a teenager. She discovered “crumbling schools, unsafe streets, and learns to hate in the shadows of urban decay.” OWS country.

    “The book is politically incorrect in a couple of ways. For one, it makes clear through my experiences, that racial minorities are capable of profound racism. As you know, this is a politically incorrect thing to say because our political culture often views minorities, especially blacks and Hispanics as victims of racism who are incapable of being racists. While individuals from these groups commit racist acts, people have a tendency to look away.”

    We haven’t heard much of Marion Barry, Al Sharpton, or others’ racist comments have we? We are looking away and waiting for the next Republican or Tea Partier to say something like Macaca.

    Meanwhile, Alberta will have an election soon. A major issue is what to do with the crumbling government health care system similar to what Obamacare would foist on us. Waiting lines are so long, they are debating the merits of using an alternate private system or even sending patients to the United States at government expense.

    That is the future the mostly white OWS would give us, and our white black president hopes they will send him to the White House so he can continue what he started.

  49. James –

    re: Alberta. Several years back, when Teddy Kennedy was touting the benefits of socialized medicine, he look a little trip to Canada and returned with glowing reports from several Canadians with whom he had spoken and who liked Canada’s medical “system.”

    W.F.Buckley, Jr dryly observed that it “…reminds me of another Irishman who, upon hearing that there were a dozen witnesses to his crime, offered to go out and find *thirteen* people who had NOT seen him kill the man.” LOL

  50. Mac lives in a clean, law-abiding neighborhood (a Zimmerman-like place) and all such broken windows are fixed immediately. Windows lives in a very Trayvon-like place where crime is tolerated, and that’s what you get.

    LOL … I won’t even go there.

    I was aware from the article it was a Java vulnerability. Nevertheless, it’s dangerous for MAC users to think they can’t get infected. I take your point that Apple deals very aggressively with such shenanigans.

    Inasmuch as we’re on the topic … PF, where do you come down on the iPhone vs Android debate? It’s very much the same scenario … iPhones are relatively stable but the OS environment way too regimented for some. Androids are a great playground for developers but unstable as hell and very vulnerable to viruses. Your thoughts?

  51. Tex, I don’t go to the movies too often because it’s a pain to get a babysitter but I can’t remember the last time I attended a packed movie. I always get my choice of seat. It really makes me wonder how these films are doing such great box office when I have yet to sit in a better than half empty theater in the past few years.

  52. PF, that’s a great Buckley quote.

    I’m not familiar with the Canadian model but let’s be clear. No one is talking about socializing the medical profession within the United States. What we have been debating is the means of PAYMENT … insurance.

    I love how conservatives love to conflate the two. “Government run health care.” LOL Pure BS. They either know it’s BS or they’re stupid as hell.

    The day you see someone suggesting the government should own and operate every hospital in the country, THEN talk to me about socialized medicine.

  53. Rutherford –

    My kids and I have diametrically opposed viewpoints. I like the iPhone because I don’t have to think about how to use it. I just use it. It does exactly what I want and I don’t have to ever think about how to make any app work. I don’t think there even IS a manual for it. I had a Blackberry and I was constantly trying to remember how to get my email or send a text, etc.

    My kids like the Android because you can fiddle with it, and there is very little you can do with the iPhone outside Apple’s well-defined borders. I have enough to occupy my time. And I for damned sure don’t need some Russian kid hacking into my contacts list or passwords for my bank accounts.

  54. I don’t remember the title, “Outbreak” or something like that. It was about a pandemic. I wanted to see the movie. My wife didn’t, so while she wandered around the mall, I watched the movie during the noon showing. I was the only one in the theater, so I had a private showing.

    That was funny Pfessor.

  55. R –

    I would be the very last person on the planet to suggest that our medical system is anything but broken, broken, broken. However IMHO much of that – no nearly all of that – is the RESULT of the govt’s getting involved and the very last thing I believe we need is MORE.

    The pattern is completely predictable. They look at a system and point out its flaws, which they then try to fix. Of course they create twice as many problems as they solve. So instead of saying, well we screwed up; let’s go home, they point to all the new problems and say, “See! You need MORE government intervention!”

    And that’s how we got where we are. It is the fact that the govt pays for so much of medicine that makes the costs so high to begin with.

  56. “R”,

    You would have to be a better judge of movies than me. I’ve seen exactly one movie the last five years that I didn’t think was marginal and a ripoff, in addition to crap concessions where you pay $4.50 for a watered down Coke.

    Now I will tell you the last movie my wife and I went to, and the daughters too this time since it was over Christmas year before last, was The King’s Speech. And the day before that it was the remake of True Grit. And the movie theater was packed both times.

    But last night, the theater parking lot was practically empty (one of those massive movie complex types with 20 plus screens, IMAX) when we got there at 6:15 PM.

    My wife and I splurged for the expensive stuff because it was just the two of us, but I can assure you, I’m not going to pay $12.00 a piece for a movie ticket to see a crappy movie too often – mainly because most of the movies are crap and I can watch virtually all of them three months later. I might make an exception for The Hobbit because my family and I enjoyed the Lord of Rings trilogy so much.

    My kids both have Androids and I am utterly amazed at what those things can do. My oldest was directing me around Kona, HI, with her phone! I turned around as said how the heck do you know where to turn? She turns her Android around and it’s a GPS!! WTH?

    Incredible technology anymore.

  57. “Tell me about it. I have a ’94 F250 4WD with a 351 V8 engine. It has two, fifteen-gallon tanks and needs ‘em both. I drive my ten year-old Toyota Corolla a lot these days.” – PF

    Chop that gas hog POS out of there and put in a 300. Best industrial engine Ford ever built. Also consider your diff gears. Remember, its about torque not horsepower. 😉

  58. Here’s a Bill Whittle video that even Poolman might like. And though it takes plenty of shots at President Foodstamp, it also takes a few at Mitt Romney too and the rest of Congress.

    These incremental infringements by government are starting to add up….anybody starting to feel like the proverbial frog in the pot yet?

  59. “It did have a huge impact on unmarried independent women and women under 50, turning a full 20% points toward President Foodstamp in less than two weeks.” – Tex

    There are 17 states that will have measures dealing with contraception on them this fall. There is little doubt that Romney will face questions about where he stands on each of these measures as he travels the country campaigning. Thanks ALEC. 🙂

  60. “But I have confidence that when gas goes to $6.00 a gallon this summer in places across the states” – Tex

    I saw the CEO of Exxon on CNBC and he predicted gas will peak in late Spring between $4 and $4.50. With domestic production at its highest rate in years, the economies of China and Europe both slowing and Iran apparently putting their dick back in their pants for the moment, I would tend to agree with him.

    Why do you forecast $6?

  61. Like I said, Thor my friend. If there is one immutable truth about Republican politics, Repubs have the uncanny ability to clearly snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. For about the next six months, I will be turning blue holding my breath, praying another idiot calling themselves Conservative doesn’t expose their own special brand of sanctimony on the national stage.

    This coming Presidential election should not even be close. Obama’s record, I don’t care if you or anyone else not willing to admit it, is absolute misery and failure.

    But the election will come down to a handful of states, mainly because of Republican ineptness and their own special brand of arrogance. Sure as the sun rising. 😡

  62. Why do I forecast $6? Reformulated gasoline during the Spring and Summer months, refinery turnarounds and Iran.

    Wouldn’t be the first time I’ve been wrong, though. 😉

  63. You’re right, Tex. That was a Whittle video I can agree with. Too bad BiW has retreated from this blog as he was he one assuring us the language in the NDAA was not saying what everyone else is now claiming it does.

    Yeah, the heat’s been incrementally increased under us over the past decade. 👿

  64. I probably won’t be around much this weekend, so a Good Friday to you all and an early happy Easter.

    I know you don’t believe in Jesus R., but maybe give this some thought, perhaps while you are coloring eggs – He believes in you, so much so that he allowed himself to be skewered like a sacrificial lamb.

    Whatever it means to each of you individually, Happy Easter.

  65. Are you sure? He had his chance last month and punted. 😉

    Very very good point. Come November our buddy Dead Rabbit may find some “work related excuse” to not vote because he just can’t in good conscience pull the lever for the Mittster. 😆

  66. Even I have to admit that Bill Whittle video was pretty even handed and while I’m not in a stew over the religious encroachment stuff, the business about detainment without charge or access to counsel did send a chill down my spine. It’s like a nuke … we’re all pretty sure no one will use it, but as long as it’s there it CAN be used.

    But I’ve got to say just in the first 5 seconds “Hi, I’m Bill Whittle”, I wanna puke. Something about his manner just irritates me to no end. I watched the whole video in spite of it.

  67. Tex, I’m frankly surprised to see you so clear headed about your joke of a party. I’m guessing it won’t last long but I’ll enjoy it while I can. 😉

  68. Thor thanks for the good thoughts. Just to be clear, I have no real reason to doubt that Jesus once lived. Nor do I have any real reason to doubt that he paid with his life for his message of peace, as have so many after him. I stop at the divinity part.

    And it’s worth acknowledging from my limited experience that this is the REAL Christian holiday. Christmas, let’s be honest, has become a joke. Hell, it’s not even his real birthday. But today, in particular when he gave his life is a holiday the solemnity of which does not elude me. I had a close friend in college who practically went into mourning every Good Friday, she was so upset by Christ’s sacrifice.

    So, for what it’s worth, I get the gravity of the day.

  69. Good Friday and Easter weekend. My daughter and granddaughter are coming down for the weekend; the little one want’s Grampa Jim to take her for an airplane ride. (I guess the tractor rides got kind of tame.)

    Guess who’s working?

    I’m putting an end to that shit, though…new group took over radiology services at my hospital and decided that I should be their – not partner – “employee” – that’s French for Butt Pony, as my kids say. I just gave my notice yesterday. Unfortunately I have to give a 6-month notice, but I believe I can convince them to let me out early. heh…heh

  70. Congrats, Pfesser. This doing what you want when you want ain’t bad. You might not always be able to buy all the toys you want when you want unless you go back to work or your independently wealthy (I’m not), but the thought of some clown in a business suit telling me what to do gives me gas anymore.

    The best part of it is you set the schedule. You want to take vacation? Career is not a hindrance anymore.

    Rutherford, the Republican party is a joke. But I contrast that with the Dimocratic Party, which is the enemy, the choice usually becomes pretty easy. Never think I’m a big politician’s fan. I seldom agreed with Graychin, but he got one thing right. I’ve yet to meet a politician that doesn’t have delusions of grandeur. I just disdain some less than others.

  71. “Rutherford, the Republican party is a joke. But I contrast that with the Dimocratic Party, which is the enemy…”

    A perfect description of the situation, IMHO.

  72. of curiosity, who is this legendary Graychin?

    I wouldn’t say legendary. More like infamous. 😀

    Graychin and I are old foes, both from Tulsa, who went round and round on the Tulsa World board before they threatened us both – I told him to kiss my ass; Graychin told them good bye too. Graychin later became foe of the other Repubs here. With Rutherford’s permission, I invited once to this board, because he kept editing my comments on his about the local newspaper and I called him a rank coward. He obliged and it was fun while it lasted.

    Reasonably, bright old, retired CPA – way of Vietnam to Corporate America. Like you and me, he retired for a time from the vile bickering. 😀 I wouldn’t be surprised to see him back here sometime.

    Actually, you missed the prized lib, Pfesser. Jim Dougan, Hippie Professor, was a diehard academic lib and rank propagandist – but a fun guy. He passed away from a massive M.I. about a year and a half ago. You would have liked him. Those were the good old days – the best days here, IMHO because the odds were so even between Left and Right.

  73. I wrote that the end of the US as we know it may be in our future, and R nominated me for an Academy Award. I’m glad I’m not the only one to feel the water getting hotter.

    Congratulations Pfessor. You are now a free man. Freedom does have its costs. When the business and bills rest on your shoulders, you can never stop.

    Its still worth it. I would never want to be an employee. Most people would. It just isn’t for me.

    I like the joke and enemy comments.

    Divine or not. Jesus did live. His life is recorded in Roman history. Easter is not the real date of Jesus’ reserection either. The date is based on an old shamistic festival. The date doesn’t matter. What matters is as thor wrote God believes in you whether or not you believe in Him. Happy Easter and Good Friday.

  74. Tex, it sounds like those people made this site a lot of fun.

    Were you around Tulsa when meteorologist Gary Shore broadcast on KJRH? A Tulsa e- pal socialized with his wife and him. She liked them.

    I knew him too, because I reported our weather to the station.. He seemed like a kind man. He was also religious. Forecasting at KTIC Sioux City was his last job. Gary was working on the afternoon forecast during a snow storm. He died at his computer. A heart attack killed him.

    Gary was proud of his storm chasing, and some videos might still be on YouTube.

    He was also a troubled soul who endured a hard childhood. He carried many secrets. Gary wasn’t even his real name.

    The first song played at his funeral was Gordon Lightfoot’s “If You Could Read My Mind.”

  75. Canada’s Steven Harper said that Obama’s canceling the Keystone Pipeline even if temporarily, has convinced Canada they need to diversify their oil sales and to probably remove the special discount they have given us.

    Heck of a job, Mr. President!

  76. Tex –

    Yeah, it seems like everybody here are pretty good guys. I try to be as even-tempered as I can, but sometimes I just lose my mind and go off the reservation and piss everybody off. Shouldn’t do that; I am trying to improve the way I do business, but the anonymity of the Internet makes it so easy to just be really pissy when you are pissed off. Fact is, I am deeply worried about my children, my grandchildren and my country, and I could strangle the politicians on both sides. I sense that everybody else here is, too. I just want to get some of the libs by the tits and swing them around and bash their brains out sometimes; they are so damned naive about where the money really comes from, and so easily duped by the Elmer Gantrys that keep promoting class warfare for nobody’s benefit but their own. And the damned conservatives need to back up a little and think about what “conservative” means. It means mind your own business, not everybody else’s. See Goldwater. A bad element has taken over the Republican party and the libs are having a field day point to them and pretending that the rest of us are like that. AGGGHHHHH!

    It never ceases to amaze me the damage that one screwball in high office can do to the best nation that ever was – or ever will be. We just may not survive.

    Oh well, time to go home and give that little girl an airplane ride.

  77. Both political parties are just different heads of the same beast, both enemies of our republic and therefore enemies of us, the American citizens. Brand names only. I’d like to strip them of all power and authority to operate in our name.

    Standing up to the politicians and religious leaders of His day is why Jesus was beaten and persecuted and hung on a cross. That is how anarchists and troublemakers were treated in those days. That all culminated into what today represents. They thought all their problems were finally over and nailed shut.

    But just like then, Sunday’s coming. There is nothing more encouraging than victory out of the jaws of death!

    Just as it was then, this is a week to celebrate victory, not defeat. From a human perspective, it is seen as defeat and the complete loss and therefore reason to express sorrow. But from God’s perspective, it is the ultimate victory and restoration of the world. Obedience unto death. I always rejoice this time of year.

    The wife and I attend Saturday evening service at our church, since she works Sunday mornings. This Sunday she is off, so she volunteered to help in the childcare department with me this week. She has us serving in both services, 3-year-olds and then 4 and 5-year-olds. Should be fun! 😀

  78. Working for yourself is the only way I can do it, anymore. I’ve done it so long now, I’m ruined as a job slot. I’ve seen what corporate can do to a person.

    Recently, consider my wife’s job in example. She is a very “people” person and loves the interaction. Serving the public turned from fun to a drag in just a year for her. The reason was the corporate micromanagement of that service.

    As soon as they promoted her into management and she had to spend more time making reports and answering emails and dealing with shipping and ordering and scheduling others, it was no longer fun. They wanted labor costs way down, even though business was double what it was the year before. And they still don’t want anyone getting more than 30 hours in a work week.

    It has been tough, but my pool work’s picking up again. Hopefully soon the wife can get back to worrying about garden pests and grandkids and raising rabbits and chickens.

  79. Two things PF:

    First, Graychin and I keep in correspondence. He became kinda fed up with this board so he sends me comments on my posts via email every now and then. His views and mine are 98% simpatico. His blog is at http://thegreatspot.wordpress.com. He doesn’t blog too often anymore. I’m surprised Tex didn’t mention to you his former cohort YellowDog. Old Yeller is out on the fringe of liberalism. He reminds me of an old conservative bonehead who used to post here named Elric. YellowDog is a liberal Elric. Basically vomits out his ideas reflexively. Entertaining in small doses and very amusing for the abuse he used to inspire from Tex. YellowDog occasionally comments at Alfie’s under “Anonymous”. LOL

    Second, concerning your quitting of your job. There is Tex’s view and then there is mine. There is nothing more emasculating than being supported by your wife. Find some other means of employment. My personal morale has taken quite the hit over the past 5 years and it’s shocking how fast 5 years can just be pissed away. Don’t get me wrong, I run a business, but it’s in the red every year. This year, if a few of my prospects would just come down to earth I may finally make a profit. I love corp life no more than James or Tex does. But damn I do love a predictable paycheck. 😦

  80. You are a good man, Rutherford, and I see no reason for you to feel emasculated because your wife earns more than you do. Admittedly, gender stereotypes persist, but you are partners working for a common goal. It shouldn’t matter who has the larger pay check.

    We are financially comfortable after many years of almost losing everything. In bad years, our farm lost as much as $12,000. to $15,000 , and each year, we had to compensate for the loses and buy the next season’s imputs.

    Had it not been for my wife’s teaching job, we would have lost the farm. We lived on her salary while everything else went to the business. Life was unpredictable, of course. Between the losses, we enjoyed income bonanzas. Our son dreamed of computers, so I tried to persuade our daughter to farm. Like you, she loves a predictable pay check.

    She and her brother inherited strong work ethics and determination. Our son- in law is a television tech producer who loves his job. Our daughter is a therapist and branch office manager. She doesn’t like her job after her promotion because hiring, firing and managing reduces her time with the therapy she trained for. Our daughter earns $10,000 more than our son in law, but it doesn’t seem to bother them.

    Easy for me to say. I can’t tell you how to feel, but I can tell you I respect you for what you are.

  81. Rutherford, I probably got used to it, being my wife a few years older and the fact she is more talented than I am. Probably one of the most humble, intelligent people I know, so I never felt threatened or emasculated. Now? If it wasn’t for Mrs. Taylor, I’d probably starve to death. 😀 And she does love to feed me.

    Listen, this oldest kid of mine, the one on a full ride to medical school and home for Easter weekend, is so bright, its scary. That didn’t come from me. The two of them are currently cuddled up together on the couch watching something called Grimm. Cute as they can be and definitely her mother’s kid even pushing 23. Almost like friends now – truly a joy watching this kid of mine turn into a grown woman, and still adore her mom. They lead me around by the nose when they are together.

    From the first year of our marriage, my wife has always made more than I did, though I finally caught up close to her range the last few years of my job.

    You were the primary bread winner. At best, I was a shared partner. I don’t know if that’s good or bad, because it made it real easy to be cynical, insubordinate, and now slothful.

  82. I do remember Gary Shore, James. And I thought he was an excellent meteorologist. I was never sure the circumstances of why he left Tulsa back in the mid 90s. He was well thought of here.

    But he saved hundreds of lives one Easter Sunday morning when a tornado hit Mannford, OK, and he broke into programming.

    I hated to hear about his death a few years back.

  83. Thanks for the words James and Tex. To be clear, I don’t mind making less than my wife. I mind having essentially a free ride. My only consolation is I’m stingy as hell and haven’t poured much of our money into my business. I run it on almost a zero budget.

    When I got laid off, I was making low six figures, my wife in the upper five figures. Then for about a year we paid the mortgage out of the severance package. When that ran out I used my retirement account (401K). I never felt guilty in those days because I built that 401K through 24 years of work. So I felt I was still contributing to the household. Now that we sold the house, until my business picks up, I’m not contributing to a damn thing other than offering my charm which does not pay the rent.

    So it’s not the “making less” that bothers me so much … it’s the being in the red.

    I’ve had a VERY lucky life so far. So, I’m sure things will pick up. It’s just hard for me to see someone making good money toss the job down the toilet because he doesn’t like the new management. Hell, if you can AFFORD to do that, more power to you. It’s a shame I don’t know squat about radiology or I’d tell PF to put my name in the hopper to replace him. 🙂

  84. I appreciate the advice, fellas. I’m not quitting life; I’m just deciding a new course. Radiology jobs are actually pretty hard to find nowadays, especially if you are over fifty, but I can work in my wife’s business if needs be and I can work an occasional locum tenens job to make ends meet. I have done a potful of different things in life and can make a living any of twenty ways, from land surveying to mining coal (prolly not – too old) to machinist, to welder. I am thinking of working on my flight instructor rating so I can starve more slowly… LOL. Having grown up on a subsistence farm, I know how to raise cattle, goats, pigs. I can use my tractor to make a helluva garden if I have to, and I have been kicking around the idea of setting up a family practice in Amish country about twenty miles from me, so I really don’t worry too much. I still have a little property in WV that has some coal under it; I can sell that if things get desperate.

    I just downloaded a new book by the founder of LinkedIn: The Startup of You. It catalogs the essentials of the new system, where people are constantly evolving and changing jobs; that’s where I envision myself now. We’ll see; no word from my employers yet. I think they are still in shock. Heheeeee…..sometimes you screw with the wrong fellow.

  85. The audacity of dope! I’ve seen that Judge Judy clip before. The, “You’re paying me for being me” meme, takes the cake. I wonder how many more idiots like that our tax dollars support? We do this and then expect them to have a sense of responsibility? The money isn’t even appreciated, rather becomes expected. Entitlement. It’s like a mental disease.

  86. Way back to #27:
    Obama allowed cameras to witness our departed soldiers coming home, something his predecessor did not. I think that is a contrast.
    You feel that is pro service member? That permission had much to do with satiating the anti-war crowd. I’d put it to anyone that when someone is in uniform they are indeed in the public domain. When they’re in a flag draped box…NOT SO MUCH!!!

    Also I have been meaning to pose a query to the libbies.
    In constantly referring to Mitt Romney with his name Willard are you all:
    a. trying to paint the picture of the creepy rat guy movie thing?
    b. serving a false comeuppance to those that stressed Hussein?
    c. disclosing your own hypocrisy?

  87. I’m not a libbie, though am liberal regarding many issues.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t Romney’s real first name Willard?

    It seems calling him “Mitt” is akin to calling the POTUS “Barry”, both their common nicknames. That doesn’t come off as insulting, though many have used “Barry” in an attempt to discredit Obama.

    I think Mittens is the name posed in condescending fashion. I also think most folks are not familiar with the “creepy rat” movie, especially the younger generation.

    But really, it is common to make fun of one’s name when trying to discredit them. We do it all the time, no matter what political ideology one professes. We learn it in kindergarten and it becomes part of our arsenal of insults.

    Just as “libbie” can be used in a condescending way, the choice of words take on differing connotations based on the intended expression of those using them. Often those nuances are lost in their written form. It is the same with many racial “insults”, as Raji pointed out several threads back. Intent is the thing.

  88. To your comment though there is an interesting nugget within. Calling Barack Obama Barry now only seems like a nickname. There was clearly a time in his life where Barry was his held identity.
    Nothing I’ve seen indicates for example that Mr. and Mrs Romney ever summoned Willard in for dinner back in the day.

  89. I’d like to take this opp to say Good Luck to the PF. You’re a bit of a thread roller coaster for me but in an internet kind of way seem ok. You clearly seem to be getting the proverbial shaft from the work place. Good for you on the positive outlook and potential outlets. Again…good luck with it.

  90. Re: contributing by offering your charm.

    Like this guy?

    LOL PF … I should try that on my wife. “I contribute just by being me.” Of course I wouldn’t be able to tell you how it turned out after she knocked me unconscious with a frying pan.

    But you have hit on something here! I should apply for gubment assistance. Imagine my delight at Tex’s tax dollars going toward my sitting on my ass blog-commenting all day. 😆

  91. Alfie ,,, I can’t speak for liberals but you read way too much into my very occasional use of “Willard”. With apologies to Willards everywhere, I just find it a funny name.

    But then again, “Mitt” is kinda odd too. 🙂

    But when you support a President named Barack Obama, I guess one shouldn’t throw stones heh? 😉

    P.S. While I personally don’t find “Willard” the least bit elitist sounding, I suspect some of my lib associates use it to reenforce the 1% meme.

  92. Not for nuthin’ but when Tex first encountered me at ChenZhen’s blog several years ago, he “affectionately” referred to me as Rutherturd. 😐

  93. Alfie, addressing your first comment you are right that Bush not broadcasting our dead soldiers coming home was viewed by libs as hiding the consequences of war from the public. So Obama reversing this was not purely to honor the dead. It was also to acknowledge the cost of war.

  94. Wow Poolman, I’ve never seen any newsie pay tribute to Ron Paul the way Neil Cavuto did in that clip. Most interviewers condescend to him.

    Paul serves one good purpose. He forces a dialog about truths that no one wants to face in this country, in particular, too many damn wars.

  95. Calling Barack Obama Barry now only seems like a nickname. There was clearly a time in his life where Barry was his held identity.
    Nothing I’ve seen indicates for example that Mr. and Mrs Romney ever summoned Willard in for dinner back in the day.

    Barry is a variation of Barack and would be an easier name for people to accept and remember, it being a common name in American culture. As a kid, it is more important to fit in.

    I have friends on FB that go by variations of the names I knew them as back when. We all are known by others in varying degrees of familiarity and often what they call us reflects the intimacy of those relationships.

    Mitt is Romney’s real middle name. He was named after a family friend “Milton”, commonly called Mitt. They may have called him Mitt from early on or maybe “Will”, short for Willard. I can easily imagine hearing his parents say “Will” or maybe when he was in trouble “Willard”.

    I guess I don’t see your point, if there is one. I could see either nickname or given name used in either case. Once again, it does come back to intent.

    Just like H.W. Bush mispronouncing Saddam Hussein’s name continually, his apparent intent was to humiliate and debase. We have all learned that talent from our very early years in school.

    I don’t think Romney has a problem with Willard just as I don’t think Barack has a problem with Barry or Hussein. We, the people, are the ones reacting to the label and the connotations others provide.

  96. Rutherford, you seem to be saying in 111 that Bush and Obama were using our dead soldiers for their own ends. They care less for our fallen warriors than for how their deaths will benefit them. Based on past experiences, I think you are right.

    I also agree with Poolman, and with 112.

  97. So I think the kid has the flu (again) and my wife got all stuffy. Should I just reserve my bed at the hospital now and get it over with? 😦

    I went out to the Post Office today not to mail a letter (yes I did do that) but mainly to get out in the fresh air and away from my infectious relatives.

    Oh … another health update while I’m on the topic. I don’t want to jinx it but I may have finally found the thing that will get my nasty IBS under control …. fiber. One drink of Citrucel at dinner time every day has me in much better shape. Fiber, or at least the type I’m taking, seems to be a digestive wonder drug. If you’re constipated it gets things moving and if you’ve got the runs (my persistent problem), it firms things up.

    Now if I can just get this bursitis in my elbow to calm down I may actually start feeling healthy again. If I had any idea how fast I’d go downhill once I hit 50, I would’ve celebrated my half century by jumping off a bridge. 👿

  98. James, I think one of the problems with war is that soldiers become chess pieces. It seems to me war is dehumanizing from the get-go.

    On a different topic, I heard a story this morning about food processing that makes The Jungle by Upton Sinclair look like Mary Poppins. Apparently a good number of the animals we eat, are fed caffeine to keep them awake longer so they will eat more and get fatter. The resulting neuroses in these animals causes them to be fed Prozac like drugs to calm them down. Next time you eat a burger think about the fact that it used to be a bigger junkie than Jimi Hendrix.

    Interesting stat: over a billion chickens a year are killed so we can enjoy McNuggets. It’s enough to turn the most ardent beef eater into a vegetarian! 😯

  99. Next time you see those golden arches and read “Over a billion served” it will take on new meaning. 😉

  100. “Now if I can just get this bursitis in my elbow to calm down I may actually start feeling healthy again. If I had any idea how fast I’d go downhill once I hit 50, I would’ve celebrated my half century by jumping off a bridge.”

    😆 Rutherford, that downhill feeling gets worse at 60 and 70 so grab hold of that roller coaster.

    Happy Easter/Passover to all whether you celebrate Jesus, Seder or the Easter bunny.

  101. Dang “R”, you and I are linked more than I ever imagined. I’m having problems with bursitis in my left olecranon (elbow)! 😯

    Is it that we are destined to go together in eternal fight? Gulp! Serve us both right. 😉

    Have a Blessed Easter, Brother “R”.

  102. Hey you too Tex … and by the way, it’s worse than you think … I’ve got bursitis in the left elbow too!

    Raji, thanks for the good wishes. I suppose being a broken down 60 year old is better than the alternative.

  103. Let me be the first to wish everyone a happy Easter. Clear and warm here; not a cloud in the sky. I took my granddaughter for her first flight yesterday in my ’64 Cessna 182, and it made my day. Winds were changing all over the place and her 6’4″ 325# dad certainly made for interesting takeoff and landing! I was glad I had the 182; I doubt anything else would have got him off the ground… LOL Bloody damned wind shear – went from 35mph headwind to 15 tailwind in seconds, accompanied by that sinking feeling. A little nerve-wracking. Had to do my carrier landing – steep approach, high power and hit like a ton of brick. Once on the ground we stayed there, though! Good times, never to be repeated…colored eggs today, after I get home from work.

    Does anyone know of a site where you can post pix for public consumption, without publishing identifying info about yourself?

  104. Happy Easter/ Passover, etc.!

    My aunt used to say growing old is not for sissies.

    You and Tex do sound like brothers.

    Yes, soldiers become like chess pieces. Our TI’s told us G.I. stood for “government issue.” People aren’t “real’ unless you know them. As I told you, my superiors lied to me for the greater good, but they knew me and felt guilty later.

    I think this applies to any concern when large groups of people are involved.

    Our food animals may be junkies as big as Jimi Hendrix, but they can’t play guitar as well as he did. He was GOOD! “Scuse me while I touch the sky.”

  105. You are off to good start for Easter Pfessor. Our temperature is 27 here and it is forecast to freeze every night through Wednesday. Time will tell what it does to our fruit trees.

    The only site I know about is Flikr. Someone told me I should post pictures there, but I never even visited the site.

  106. Happy Easter (and Passover) everyone. Nice weather here in Arizona. 54 degrees on the back patio at 8 am, expecting eighties later today.

    Packed church service last night. Expecting more packed services today. Easter is generally that way. Moreso than Christmas. This really is THE Christian holiday and exemplifies the essence of the faith. May your entire day be blessed, I pray! 🙂

  107. 71 degrees, few clouds, light breeze, beautiful spring day in Oklahoma. Azaleas bloomed early this year like Georgia and the Masters, so not as much color as typical Easter weekend.

    Had both girls here (they’re even prettier than the azaleas) plus world’s greatest wife – had a blast. Poolman is right. This is the heart of the Christian faith – I don’t attend services much anymore, but I did today, then ate a huge brunch.

    And I agree with Rutherford. Christmas has become a commercialized joke.

  108. 61 degrees here. Cotton candy clouds floating on a blue sky.

    My wife’s version of church was going to see Titanic in 3D IMAX. Kid stayed home and played on the computer while I watched my Sunday politics in between taking out the garbage, running the dishwasher and doing my laundry.

    I’m glad everyone is enjoying their Easter/Passover. I’m watching The Masters at that sexist institution The Augusta Golf Club. Looks like Tiger’s not a contender today.

  109. My bronchitis has made a return. Ive been waiting for a month for the time to smoke a cigar. Now the thought of it sounds terrible. My kid is sick too. Ive been busting my ass on my house and one of my brother’s.

    Sorry about your job pfessor.

    Happy Easter.
    By the way, the only way I don’t vote for Romney is if I’m dead, which feels possible at this moment. I cant stop weezing. Might I need more antibiotics?

  110. @DR A week of Albuterol and the all powerful Z Pak.
    Hey I have to say the Easter tidings and cordiality on the thread….nice. On Monday can we get crazy though?

  111. I’ll come out true nasty tomorrow, Alfie. 😀 Seemed kind of inappropriate to hammer Brother Rutherford on Easter, so I had to save up.

    My hometown finally makes national news, and what’s it for? Some white, inbred looking idiot randomly seeking revenge, so he goes shooting black people for his father’s death who I assume was killed by a black man last year. I walk my dog in some out of the way places, and the thought had crossed my mind, “What happens if some black victim starts doing the same thing randomly shooting some white stiff like me?”

    You know what does crack me up? They always say “Tulsa OKLAHOMA.” We’re an MSA with about a 3/4 of a million people, and yet these loons on the coasts act like Tulsa, OKLAHOMA, is some two stop sign town.

    These national news folks are really dumb.

  112. Tex, I get your point about Tulsa. Kinda stupid heh? It’s not like when you say Tulsa anyone thinks of Kansas or Florida. It’s like saying Los Angeles. Who ever modifies that with “California”? Frankly, I think it’s an anti Southern bias.

    Rabbit, I take a combo of Albuterol Sulfate and Ipratropium Bromide (generically known as Duoneb) twice a day. But understand I have a diagnosed chronic restrictive lung situation. If you really think you’ve got bronchitis see your damn doctor. He might temporarily put you on Albuterol to relieve the wheezing but if he suspects a bacterial infection, he’ll put you on anti-biotics. Do you have a fever? I gotta tell you … I get so sick and tired of being sick and tired. Take care of yourself.

    Alfie … I never heard of the Z-Pak … I’ll have to google that mofo.

    P.S. Back to Tex … yeah when I heard the headline coming out of Tulsa and the possibility it was a “hate crime” I had to chuckle picturing you vomiting at the very idea.

    P.P.S. RIP Mike Wallace … one badass newsman.

    P.P.P.S. For all you critics of the MSM, NBC got itself ripped a new butt hole for a bad edit on the Zimmerman 911 call. As I’ve said in prior comments, Z only identified Trayvon as black when he was asked by the operator if he was black. Unfortunately NBC edited out the operator asking the question, so it sounded like Z volunteered that info spontaneously, furthering the racial profiling meme. NBC fired the Miami news producer responsible for the bad edit. Supposedly some other “disciplinary” actions were taken. Oh … and there are some in the MSM criticizing NBC for letting Sharpton be a commentator at the same time that he is an advocate.

  113. Well my Rx advice was meant like an ad of sorts,meaning by all means a trip to the MD was in order.I’m saying if he’s sick enough push for the nuclear option. The lungs are one of a handful of internal environments you don’t want stuff getting cozy in.
    The combo works especially well in lung infections. I got “introduced” to it when I came down with one major case of pneumonia.

    I’ll stand with those that believe saying Tulsa should be self explanatory in a by line especially.

    I saw that on the NBC thing. No matter ones position on the story great example of whacking a hornets nest. Sooner or later the hornets come out and everyone gets stung. Just curious if anyone remembers…was it NBC that added fuel,literally, to the GM pickups back in the day to make the story juicier? Peacock has some issues perhaps?

  114. Alfie, that Azithromycin must be some powerful stuff. I’ve never heard of an antibiotic being prescribed for only 5 days max. Usually it’s 7 to 10.

    I usually find myself on an antibiotic every 18 months or so, usually for the lungs. I have no recollection which one. In the hospital in February I was on TWO different ones through an IV. I don’t know what it was about one of them but they had to slow the rate because the drip made my arm hurt.

    Oh, some unsolicited advice … if you can help it, don’t ever get a potassium supplement via IV …. hurts like a mofo!!! Hospitals are weird. I go in there with pneumonia and they start obsessing about my potassium levels. 😐

  115. I don’t remember where I saw this posted but it’s a fun read for all you Obama-haters. An exercise in intellectual masturbation, as I’m sure the writer was quite tickled with himself trying to write in the “style” of George Washington. The only obvious omission he made was “When in the name of the Almighty did they allow Negroes to be President?” 😯 ” (Yes George did use emoticons in his writing.)

    http://pacoenterprises.blogspot.com/2011/12/george-washington-writes-letter-to.html

  116. I can’t remember the last time I had any antibiotics. Probably 25 or 30 years ago. I understand there are some awfully potent varieties. One thing all those I know have learned from taking them over the years is that they really mess with your gut and the only way to get back to “normal” is to take probiotics to get those beneficial microorganisms back in your system.

    You regular pharma users probably already know that, but in case you don’t, it makes a big difference and many doctors don’t mention it. We’re usually busy killing shit and forget some of that stuff we actually need alive to stay healthy.

  117. You know how I “feel” about “hate crimes” – any color on any color.

    I guess this 19 yr. kid flipped out. He’s actually “Native-American”. Does that qualify as white now too? 😀 Seems his old man was gunned down in front of him a couple of years ago by a black man, then his common law wife killed herself in front of him a couple of months back and left him with a four year old baby. Guess he simply went loco.

    Of course, we just had that vicious crime of the elderly couple, where a young, black thug beat an elderly couple, killing the wife after Thug raped her and tortured her 90 year old husband by continually shooting him in the face with a BB Gun before damn near beating him to death. I don’t know if that constitutes a “hate crime.” Good grief, it gets so confusing.

    The “hate crime” vernacular has got to be one of the dumbest of the politically correct euphemisms ever coined. Yeah, when somebody goes to looking specifically for people to shoot randomly without motive other than the color of their skin, that would probably qualify as a hate crime. 🙄 I used to call that premeditated murder punishable by lethal injection or the gas chamber, but I guess if you can call it a “hate crime”, that puts the murderer on double secret probation with a life sentence, or something.

    Now you can see why I think it so stupid to tie ourselves in pretzels trying to make one cold blooded murder more heinous than the other.

    Their all hate mongers. String everyone of the SOBs up, and drag them behind a truck on the pavement. I’d have me an Oreo behind the truck when I was done with them.

  118. Oops. Four month old baby.

    And I never take antibiotics unless I absolutely half too. Had to take it last year for a spider bite, but before that, 15 years or so from the last prescription. The problem with antibiotics is that many kill virtually all bacteria, and 90% of the bacteria on your body actually serves a useful purpose.

    It’s especially hard on women….

  119. Damn…they are – I give up. All these frickin computer and printer problems have got me twisted more than usual. 🙂

    We had an electric surge and everything seems screwed up today.

  120. Half to? Tulsa, OKLAHOMA :Lol:

    Have too…shyte. See you goons tomorrow when the left half of my brain is turned on.

  121. Yes, antibiotics do f*ck with your gut big time … I know this from experience. If you have a nasty gut to begin with, it’s even worse. 😦

    Tex, like abortion, capital punishment is one of those things I’m really torn on. Some folks, like your sadist, or like the dude in CT who tied up the husband in the basement while he raped his wife and minor child and then set the house on fire (only after he had forced the wife to take him to her bank for money), deserve to die … die slowly and painfully in the public square. Unfortunately, on principle, I can’t condone the state killing people. And I do believe that the risk of killing an innocent man outweighs the catharsis of killing all the guilty ones.

    But DAMN, some of those SOB’s do deserve a killing big time.

    Hey I may have stumbled up on a cost saving approach to the penal system. Jail should be for punishment AND rehabilitation. Anyone deemed unable to be rehabilitated simply gets the needle. Problem solved. 👿

    P.S. The father/husband in the CT case survived. How much you wanna wager he wish he hadn’t? To live the rest of your life with that memory and loss.

  122. See you goons tomorrow when the left half of my brain is turned on.

    Did he say “goons” or “coons” or “punks”???? I want that tape analyzed ASAP!!

    😆

  123. Hate Crime Comment: See you goons, coons, and fags tomorrow.

    Damn, I swear “R”. My computer equipment melted down in 48 hours. I’ve got a new all-in-one on order to replace the desktop – minus the data – but now the wireless printer went on the blink. 😡

    I probably lost five years worth of data last week from that fiasco (damn McAfee isn’t worth a shit), because the desktop I used as a server went blank last month – so I substituted this old. I had used this one as a back up from an external drive that isn’t working either now! 😡 😡 And like a major league dumbass, I didn’t back this one up thinking there’s no way two will go down in four weeks!!!!!!

    Arrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh! 😡 😡 😡

    I’m going to my Facebook Page and posting I’m going to kill people!!!! 😡 😡 😡 😡

    😈 Why do people do that? 😆

  124. While I am by no means a Facebook basher .. I rather enjoy connecting with my old High School buddies … I can’t figure out why half the stuff that gets posted there, gets posted there. It’s especially embarrassing when you see relatives (like my nephew or nieces) post stuff that makes you cringe. “Going out to get plastered tonight.” Why oh why would you post that???? ❓

    In the meantime, I’m in TurboTax hell. My federal got accepted, my CT state got accepted, but no matter what I do, I can’t get the e-file for my IL return to get accepted. Arrrrgh. I tried one more variation this morning. If this one doesn’t take, I’m going old school and printing the damn thing out and mailing it in. 😡

  125. I hope you are all feeling better soon. Our computer is freezing and going black at times. As soon as we think it needs hospice care it works fine.

    A quiet computer is freedom. No one can reach me except through letters or the telephone when the computer is down.

    My first experience with antibiotics was with tonsilitis in college. The fever nearly baked my brain and my room mate said “you must really be hurting to fill your mouth with Vic Salve. It was rather fun to look at the ceiling and see people looking back. I refused to lose my tonsils and the antibiotics wrecked my blood count. I took iron tablets and the doctor told me to eat a rare steak every day.

    I watched Dick Nixon, Barry Goldwater, and JFK look down on me in my tent when we Airmen were in the field. I had double viral pneumonia and it wasn’t really treated until I got home on leave. Either they fed me some lethal drugs or my resistance had a good memory. I didn’t even have a cold for three years.

    I got borderline pnumonia in August, 2010 and I was in a car load of college students when my future wife and I met for the first time. I knew it wasn’t real, but it was. I thought, “what a way to die, just drift off.”

    “Why do people do that?” I don’t know either. Our town council member told deputy sherrifs, council members and the public he would kill the ex mayor if he saw him throwing his daughter into his pickup. A deputy told him he ought not say things like that in case something happened to the mayor.

  126. Two quick anecdotes from my eight year old.

    The other day I was singing along to Bon Jovi’s “Living on a Prayer” and my daughter says “ewww you sound like Sarah Palin choking Mitt Romney”. Is this a signal that I’m watching way too much politics in front of the kid? 🙂

    But she is a realist. We were watching Celebrity Apprentice which this year features Lou Ferigno (The Incredible Hulk). Lou is about 80% deaf. Somehow or another, one of the folks on the show said “you can’t be mean to handicapped people, handicapped people are all nice.” At this point my daughter says “I know that is not true from experience” and then she looks at me. LOL I should have been insulted but I was delighted that she sees the world clearly. 🙂

  127. Our daughter pressured me to join Facebook and a couple of years ago, I tried. I was partly through the registration when the computer crashed. I couldn’t enter, nor could I get a password. I forgot about it, though I wondered about occasional messages.

    I tried again a couple of weeks ago, and this time, It seems I now have two Facebook pages–the original, and the new one. People I have forgotten about have shown up. That part is good.

  128. No one in the family told me this, so maybe they didn’t read the biographies in the family history book. I just learned that the son of the man who first came to America was on a jury which convicted people of witchcraft. He later recanted. Then, my wife discovered on line that a female ancestor had been accused of witchcraft.

    Now, I am going to look further. Family histories are interesting.

  129. R re: Turbo Tax. It’s because you haven’t filed IL before. Keep trying but then just give up and snail mail. Next year you’ll be in the system.

    Facebook is watching you Tex and the FB police will come knocking on your door if they haven’t done so before :lol:. If does bother me what some people especially kids post on that thing but then if I wasn’t on it I wouldn’t keep up to daily date with my kids.

  130. At this point my daughter says “I know that is not true from experience” and then she looks at me. LOL I should have been insulted- R

    Oh Rutherford, you are in deep deep trouble. That young lady has your number at such a tender age. Now you really better hang on to that downhill roller coaster 😉

  131. So James, you’re saying that one of your ancestors convicted one of your wife’s ancestors of witchcraft? Lucky for you your wife is a forgiving woman. 😉

  132. Rutherford, I am darned lucky my wife is a forgiving woman!

    I learned more. One of my ancestors accused someone of witchcraft because she was having “fits.” She later died at age 12.
    Her family and ours didn’t get along, so there was a motive. Her parents supported her claims.

    Later, the son of the origional immigrant, an uncle, was part of the jury which convicted witches.Then, he recanted.

    I found a distant cousin discussing the incident on a blog in January. He listed the same family names. Learning we are tied to the witchcraft trials and also Vikings makes our families unsavory doesn’t it? The cousin I found posts on DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND. Goodness!

    I agree with Ragi. You’ve got troubles. Ha!

  133. I think this falls in the “success is the best revenge” category. As most of you know, I got pretty roughed up over at Fat Grannies (aka the M&H blog) including being outed by one of their more vindictive regulars. It occurred to me just now that I have some of the best Fat Grannies contributors posting comments over here. What better revenge than to have former Fat Granny regulars enjoying themselves in the “enemy camp”. And I didn’t lift a finger to make it happen.

    Justice is a beautiful thing. 🙂

  134. re: azithromycin.

    Biological equivalent of a smart bomb. It is concentrated by the white blood cells, who sniff out infection and then go there to dump their cytokines and other evil humours.

    Except they also dump the azithromycin – right on the heads of the little bacterial nasties.

  135. I’ve sunk pretty low Rutherford, and democraticunderground is the limit, I hope. Thank goodness my parents didn’t live to know our family shame. democraticunderground? What was I thinking?

    You’ve already won, R because you are better than they are. I think
    some of their beliefs will be tested during the next year or two.Then could be the time to pay them a visit. Time is the “azthromycin–right on the heads of the little bacterial nasties.”

    It happened before. We decimated a site and moved on..

    Yes, Justice is a beautiful thing.

  136. I’ve been blessed with good PC experiences. Maybe it’s because my brother is my IT guy and I don’t question his recommendations. I have not had many issues and always have used free versions of spyware he directs me toward.

    Of course, I’m somewhat selective regarding the links I will click on and which sites I will visit.

  137. Well, I just hooked up my third HP Inkjet, and I have to admit, it’s amazing what you get for $150.00 anymore with respect to electronics.

    I’ve found this Inkjets are like razors. By itself, a new razor doesn’t cost you much. But the blades are expensive as hell. 🙂

    Same with the printers…the print cartridges are a major ripoff, but the printers are incredible for the money.

    I think what happened, is I print so infrequently, and then when I do, it’s a lot, the “zerts” just simply plugged up. Too lazy to try and clean them, and I attempted all the HP suggestions – time for new equipment.

    Will let you know “R” what I think of this all-in-one when I get it. Did you ever think you’d live to see the day we would have 2 terabytes of storage on a PC? 😆

    I could fill up two trillion bytes on a hard drive in a lifetime. That’s millions of pictures.

  138. Learning we are tied to the witchcraft trials and also Vikings makes our families unsavory doesn’t it? J

    In Jane Smiley’s saga,”The Greenlanders” she paints a gruesome scene of a viking being burned at the stake for witchcraft. Sounds like she was peeking in on your family tree. 😉

  139. Ha Ha!! Maybe Jane Smiley could have written a book about our family. I’ve heard of “The Greenlanders” but have never read it. I want to read it now.

    If our computers dies, we should get a wireless printer.

  140. History sometimes rights itself, even if nobody notices. Did your schooling teach you factions of our government offed MLK? Probably not, I’m guessing. That certainly doesn’t sound like something our uncle would do, does it?

    Under US Civil Law, covert US government agencies were found guilty of the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Dr. King was the leading figure of the Civil Rights Movement, a Nobel Peace Prize winner, and widely recognized as one of the world’s greatest speakers for what it means to be human. The family’s conclusion as to motive was to prevent Dr. King from ending the Vietnam War because the government wanted to continue its ongoing covert and overt military operations to control foreign governments and their resources.

    It is therefore a factual statement that under US Civil Law, the US government assassinated Dr. King.

    This is similar that under Criminal Law, both O.J. Simpson and the US government are not legally guilty for murder, but both parties are guilty for killing innocent victims under Civil Law.

    Let’s apply some critical thinking skills to this history of Dr. King that is probably new to you. People of sufficient intellectual integrity and moral courage to apply critical thinking skills will embrace the trial evidence and testimony, jury conclusion, and King family analysis as appropriate and helpful information in seeking the facts.

    People who at least temporarily reject challenging information out of fear might say something like, “The government killed Dr. King? That’s a crazy conspiracy theory!”

    http://www.examiner.com/nonpartisan-in-national/dr-martin-luther-king-assassinated-by-us-govt-king-family-civil-trial-verdict#ixzz1raxR1Op8

  141. “Under US Civil Law, covert US government agencies were found guilty of the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.”

    Tigre places head in hands. . . 🙄

  142. Two interesting developments: First, businesses fleeing from ALEC like the plague! Ahhhh that’s a sweet smell. 🙂

    And of course the big headline from today … Mr. Santorum is no more. Now Pfesser can breathe easy … no theocracy in the near future. So now, will Gingrich view this as an opportunity for renewed opposition to Romney or will he follow suit and officially throw in the towel?

    P.S. I don’t know about you, but in my browser, WordPress has done something funky with the comments input box. I don’t like it. 😦

  143. Santorum’s out, but we’re still playing politics. Appears the game’s rigged, like the rest of these top down organizations. Not too surprising, really. “Livin’ la Vida Loca.”

    …as I comment in my puny-sized comment box. WTH? Why do people always have to fuck with stuff? Leave shit alone! If it works, don’t fix it!!!!!!

  144. Poolman, Rachel Maddow has done a few segments on what a total sham the entire Republical nomination process is, from some caucus/primaries being “beauty contests” to other cases where delegate counts won’t really be known for a few months. It’s basically a joke. Rick got out now to avoid having his clock cleaned in his home state.

    What’s amazing is how coverage still basically ignores Ron Paul. It’s incredible how the media is in cahoots with the power structure to block anyone advocating REAL change.

  145. Regarding the comment box, Poolman I hear you loud and clear. The box does expand automagically once you hit the limit although I did encounter a freaky case where I could not scroll up and down in the box even if I moved my cursor.

    I’ll have to do some research to see if this effects only certain WordPress “themes”. I’m pretty sure the comment box changed on BiW’s blog too.

  146. For all you George Zimmerman fans, your boy is getting freaky. His attorneys have fired him (LOL) … he tried to call the special prosecutor himself and she appropriately would not take his call. He MAY not even be in the friggin’ country anymore … I heard a rumor he’s in Peru.

    The special prosecutor has decided to forgo the grand jury. What happens if she decides to prosecute and old George is in a country with which we don’t have any extradition agreement? Man oh man will the proverbial manure hit the fan then!!!! 😐

  147. re: The Zimm. He has to be the most freaked-out twenty-something on the planet. Remember, he is in his twenties, just took the life of someone who was trying to beat him to death (both pretty stressful, I would think), has been isolated from society and his family by death threats and threats of lynching, has been tried and convicted by the Lamestream media. Yep, his world has definitely changed. Think he is supposed to remain cool and collected? I would be surprised if he is not totally flaked out and weird.

    re: santorum. Now we know Romney’s the candidate. We need to start thinking about what a new Obama presidency would mean. If you are terrorized by his actions so far, just contemplate the possibility of Obama-the-socialist, unfettered by considerations of re-election. If he gets re-elected we will get a REAL dose of what he REALLY believes. Romney is not exciting, but he knows how the money is generated that all the socialists want to redistribute. If Obama gets re-elected it won’t matter, because there won’t be any to redistribute.

    We’re looking at Belize right now. I was reading yesterday that there are about 725 Americans leaving the country every day in anticipation of an Obama re-election. I may soon be one.

  148. This Zimmerman thing is going to blow up in your face, “R”. How would you feel if you were in his place? As we speak, while Zimmerman has been lynched in the mob and the media, I’m watching white people in Tulsa starting to push back against the blow back of really bad behavior by blacks. 😈 The days of using race as excuse for double standard are nearing their end, your Highness. About time…our post racial President is a major failure and in fact, has made things a hundred times worse. Hopefully, even you would admit that.

    We approach a very dangerous time, especially for blacks.

    Let me show how things are not as they appear. While “climate change”, another euphemism worthy of the same value as “hate crime” continues to be appealing to the nuts of the Left, look what is happening at NASA . You won’t read this in the lame stream media:

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/10/hansen-and-schmidt-of-nasa-giss-under-fire-engineers-scientists-astronauts-ask-nasa-administration-to-look-at-emprical-evidence-rather-than-climate-models/

  149. I hate this new comment box. Once you leave to submit then wish to change, I can’t figure out how to get back to bouncing around the box if the length exceeds the height of the box.

  150. I am not a George Zimmerman “fan” and I will thank you not to refer to him as “my boy.” I am a fan of fair trials, and he is being figuratively lynched by emotional, ignorant people. Many people believe as I do.

    You are very good with words. Surely you know the way you phrased your comment produces negative connotations. You are bettet than that.

    He hasn’t even been charged yet, and he must hide like a fugitive while others who have placed a price on his head still walk free.

    Wouldn’t it be ironic if he was guilty and the noxious world-wide publicity made his aquittal or conviction fuel for riots? This contratemps has already caused people of both races to be beaten or killed, if one can believe their statements.

    Have you noticed some of the news orgainizations who altered evidence to convict Zimmerman have pulled back? Perlhaps they understand lawsuits.

    I’d already be in Peru and living under an assumed name if I had a price on my head.

    “There’s battle lines being drawn…”

  151. I’m serious about Peru for this reason.

    If I am a young Hispanic being hunted by people with a racial (If people can call Obama black, I can call Zimmerman Hispanic.) agenda and I have been paying attention, I know that the Justice Department is led by racists.

    I also know they are investigating the case, and they can use the power of the federal government to squash me like a cockroach.If I am sent to prison, I will soon die.

    Peru is a rational choice.

    I agree, we are slowly losing our freedoms, especially of privacy. The Finish company Nokia has patented a tatoo which will vibrate and let one know who is calling.

    Its another reason to keep our old cell phones and computers as long as possible.

  152. just took the life of someone who was trying to beat him to death

    Objection your honor, counsel assuming facts not in evidence. Overall PF, 174 tells me you’ve been smoking a lot of dope over the Easter weekend. Considering you’re an atheist, I always consider you a man of reason but the melodrama in 174 gives me doubts. Now, Zimmerman is the victim? Let’s wait until we find out (if we ever find out) what happened in the moments before Tray was shot. Not cooperating with his own attorneys does not speak well for his case.

    Obama-the-socialist

    Silly … you know damn well he’s not a socialist. A socialist would have taken over GM and Chrysler and made them government run entities as opposed to giving them money so they could continue to be capitalist enterprises. You are really too smart to echo dumbass memes like this from the likes of Fox News (and Tex Taylor).

    I was reading yesterday that there are about 725 Americans leaving the country every day in anticipation of an Obama re-election.

    Link please. This is plain and utter foolishness and you know it.

    As for Belize, puhleeeeze! You’re not going anywhere. You have a nice life that you’re enjoying to the max, so much so you quit a friggin’ job just cos you don’t like the new management …not exactly a move from a man with no options, being oppressed by the Obama “regime”.

    PF, whenever you get tempted to write crap like this, think about how much you sound like some religious fanatic living in a fantasy world.

    P.S. Here’s some food for thought for ya. Billy Graham’s daughter (the sister of assh*le supreme Franklin) says that we can’t have an atheist in the White House because wisdom comes from a fear of God.

  153. James, I think the even worse potential is that Z cannot get a fair trial because of a poisoned jury pool. Now THAT would be an injustice particularly if he’s guilty.

  154. Tex, believe me, if I could change this damn comment box I would. It is really pissing me off. To answer your problem …. if you click outside the box and it “retracts”, simply click back inside it and move your cursor (with your arrow key) all the way down so the box expands again. This has worked for me 90% of the time.

  155. To James and Tex, with every new technology there are those who will exploit it for malicious ends. We can’t let that stop progress but we have to stay ever vigilant to make sure our freedoms are not being encroached.

  156. Dishonest as hell, Rutherford. Or are you simply that financially stupid? Because I am beginning to think you are. Anybody that puts faith in Morning Joe, Lawrence O’Donnell, Rachel Maddow and Ed Schultz shows is an unteachable moron – in essence, I’ve already answered the question for you.

    Those automakers still owe the American public billions of dollars – with a capital B. That’s government owned, no matter how you spin it. They don’t call it Government Motors for nothing, dumbass.

    So is Obamacare socialized medicine. And it’s going down with Obama. Buwahahahahaha…

    You’re at your absolute worst when lying and shilling for Obama. And you do it all the time anymore with your spoon fed lines. Transparent as Obama. 😀

    HOORAY FOR GEORGE ZIMMERMAN!

  157. “Us Zimmerman fans “….what an ignorant thing to say by a sheltered little cluck led by the nose of the scam media; still utterly clueless the damage his people are doing. Of course, our resident cluck has made it a priority to never interact with black people outside defending one man, Travon, all from the safety of his pussy blog.

    Oh well, if its a race war he wants, so be it . I have just this week seen a few weapon stock piles from whites living on the border of the urban savage territories.

    They are prepared to do battle like their fathers and grandfathers have.

    What a stupid cause to get the baboons throwing their zoo food all over the place.

  158. “Now THAT would be an injustice particularly if he’s guilty.”

    WTF????

    I guess anti-lynch mob, anti race-pimps, anti-ignorance of the facts, and deliberate disinformation to feed the MSNBC crowd’s desires to prove just how racist a White-Hispanic is (because he’s at least half-white) makes you a “George Zimmerman fan” in Rutherford’s world.

    You’re guilty of being a fool.

    I AM GEORGE ZIMMERMAN!! 😆

    (I hope he hires Roy Black).

  159. Face it cluck, an out of control MTV gangsta attacked a wanna be rent a cop packing heat. No limit nigga had a limit after all. Move on.

  160. Wager: Arrest warrant/indictment issues for Zimmerman. Negligent homicide (or similar offense, not murder). Trial then acquittal totally unnoticed because there won;t be any mileage in it for the MSNBCers.

  161. If you have a cell phone, you have already given up your rights of privacy. It’s probably written in fine print somewhere in your contract with your carrier or one of the many “change in service agreement” okays you clicked on awhile back. Your virtual file has been created and your actions are being documented.

    http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/your-cell-phone-makes-you-a-prisoner-of-a-digital-world-where-virtually-anyone-can-hack-you-and-track-you

    It’s the new focus of intelligence gathering and has been going on for some time. They track where you travel, sites you visit, what you say and who you associate with.

    Then there is the health aspects. Cell phone users are 50 percent more apt to develop a brain tumor than non users, probably due to the microwaves breaking the brain blood barrier.

    Studies show 90 to 95 percent of cancers are the result of exposure to environmental factors, yet researchers generally concentrate on the 5 to 10 percent that are genetically passed and often exacerbated by environment.

    Capitalism has infringed on both truth and freedom.

  162. “Not cooperating with his own attorneys does not speak well for his case.”

    Yeah. It doesn’t speak to his case at all. It speaks to his where his head is at.

    I’d be in Peru too.

  163. 181 is one of the points I was trying to make.

    I also agree with 188. However, the racial animosity may still be a problem.

    Capitialism has problems, but without it, many of the people now living would be fighting for scraps of bread.

  164. I agree Tigre. I would like to know why Al Sharpton and the New Black Panther Party have not been arrested. They have both at least tacitly broken the law twice – at least once by physical threat with incitement of the mob and offer of bounty.

    That is absolutely breaking the law without doubt.

  165. Sometimes I forget who I’m dealing with when it comes to R. Dude’s entire life has revolved around people taking care of him. A hell in its own right, to be sure. Expecting him to empathize with a person with a bounty on his head while the nation, led by the president, twists the narrative to skew the narrative, is too much. MSNBC told Rutherford to care about one shot black. And that is all she wrote. What lack of freedom R has. Talk about zero critical thinking skills. He fell in line with the fascists after the Arizona shooting and he fell in line with the racists over this one

    Rutherford is exactly the type of person who joins crowds. Pathetic.

    I cant do this blogging thing until I buy a computer. Im out for a while. This phone shit aint cutting it.

  166. “I’m telling you true – we are losing our freedoms through technology, and most don’t recognize it.” – Tex

    More accurately, you are surrendering your freedom, if you choose to do so. But don’t worry. No one is keeping tabs on an old fart like you (and yes, if you keep complaining about change, you are at risk of becoming an old fart. 😉 )

  167. The New Black Panther Party is a fraud. They are likely provocateurs set up and sponsored to stir controversy and racial divide. They don’t hold the same ideology or represent the former group in any way.

    http://www.blackpanther.org/newsalert.htm

    As to Belize… I have a good friend that lives there. He has been there for 12 plus years now. I recently reconnected with him through my linked in account. An ex navy man and Okie, he has a business there that has been quite successful. He also shares ownership in a bar on the beach.

    There are a large contingent of ex military folks retired and living there. I don’t think I could live the rest of my days on an island.

    Peru would be a cool place to live.

  168. Im about to take this phone and throw it off the Ambassador Bridge and it has nothing to do with my privacy. Its like I’m a circus bear trying to text message. Fuck this touch screen.

  169. More accurately, you are surrendering your freedom, if you choose to do so. But don’t worry. No one is keeping tabs on an old fart like you (and yes, if you keep complaining about change, you are at risk of becoming an old fart.

    Can’t argue with that, as I could put the phone in the waste basket, and I am an old fart, of which I was reminded yesterday after building a garden made with yard timbers – about burned up my miter saw along with the erector spinae muscles. 😡

    However, my purchase was under the premise of the ability to communicate with my family – not to be tracked like a whale. Just call me a perceptive old fart. It creeps me out and I can’t help but think there are nefarious reasons behind some of this new technology. Concerning that, Poolman and I do indeed share something in common. 😉

  170. We have lost our freedoms through Homeland Security and the Patriotic Act and most people don’t recognize it.
    We are losing our privacy through technology and the tech generation is fully aware of it but consider it a price worth paying.
    You surrender your privacy every time you log on to the internet.

    The cell phone GPS system tied into 911 has been in effect for some time. I don’t think you can own one that “works” that doesn’t have the technology. I think I gave up that phone seven years ago.

  171. So is Obamacare socialized medicine.

    In the words of Bugs Bunny, what a maroon.

    Please list for me Tex every hospital in the country that will be run by the government effective 2014. THAT’s socialized medicine dingbat. Constructing an effective insurane system is NOT. The fact that you and yours fail to see the distinction points out either willful ignorance or utter stupidity.

  172. I’ll wait for testimony to be taken under oath and evidence to be entered under the rule of law and a judge’s discretion. After all is said and done though, I think the law’s name should be changed from “stand your ground” to “stand your ground until the heat is on and then throw all your convictions out the window and run like a scared little puss”.

    If he is such a neighborhood-defending superhero, why is he choosing personal safety over defending said neighborhood. I mean, Al Sharpton is roaming the streets down there, it doesn’t get much more dangerous than that. Why has he abandoned Florida in its time of need?

    And anybody that doesn’t think both sides are using this issue is naive.

  173. Us Zimmerman fans

    Wow, didn’t know I’d hit such a nerve with that comment. Face it Rabbit, a good number of you are far more than ready to give Z the benefit of the doubt and not Trayvon. Hell, PF is already stating stuff as fact that has not yet been proven.

    What you all need is good ole Obama re-election in November, a few months of watching and waiting, and then realizing that the sky is not falling. There will be no race wars, No one is coming for your guns. The only negative that WILL happen is many of you will look like drama queens.

    I’ll be real generous. I’ll give Obama until next March to end our country as we know it, and if it doesn’t happen, you can all send me your addresses and I’ll buy and ship each of you your very own tiara. 🙂

  174. re: #173 Rutherford

    Florida does not convene a grand jury except in the case of murder. I’m not sure if that includes second as well as first.

    Rumors abound!

    One way around the comment box is to use Mac’s text edit or PC’s notepad/word and copy/paste.

  175. Michael Steele just dropped the phrase “vaginal outcome” when talking about Arizona’s new batch of conception – but this is not a war on women – laws.

    I guess the Republican’t crazy fest isn’t over just because Santorum dropped out.

  176. I hope he hires Roy Black

    The question is will he cooperate with Roy Black in his defense? Will he even MEET with Roy Black. Are you aware his now-defunct attorneys never actually met him face to face? WTF is with that????

    By the way, I’ve said my piece on the lynch-mob mentality. I’ve condemned Spike Lee quite strongly. All any of us KNOWS for a fact is that Zimmerman defied the request of the 911 operator and pursued an unarmed man while carrying a weapon. We KNOW that. That ain’t pretty. Now let’s see what other facts unfold.

  177. “Florida does not convene a grand jury except in the case of murder.”

    Raji, I’m not 100%, but I think Florida requires a grand jury to is a capital indictment, but a grand jury may or may not be used by the prosecutor in all other instances at it discretion.

  178. What about Homeland Security ordering 450 million rounds of hollow point bullets? Who do they need them for? This isn’t the same country we all grew up in. Sorry. America has left the building.

    http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-03-28/news/31247765_1_atk-rounds-bullet

    Now we have 2 carriers in the Persian Gulf, while Russia has troops amassed near the Iranian border. Everything is staged for the next World War. They expect Israel to instigate it this summer. Fuckers. It doesn’t matter what we do, they do whatever they want.

  179. “Concerning that, Poolman and I do indeed share something in common.” Tex

    Hey, I just had a great idea. Call Poolman and stay on the phone as long as you can stand it. Then see which house the black helicopters start circling first, your hacienda or his trailer. 😉

  180. Serious question for R: is Zimmerman a RACIST?

    How the f*ck should I know? Hell we don’t even know if he said “coon” or “goon”. I thought I heard somewhere that he’s tutored minority kids.

    Rabbit came close to what I think happened. The gangsta wannabe didn’t ATTACK anyone. He was CONFRONTED by Z, the cop wannabe, possibly with gun drawn. Tray figured he’d get some bragging rights if he knocked the nosy dude on his ass. Tussle ensued. Z got scared and shot him … or even perhaps gun went off accidentally. Now if Z told anyone the gun fired accidentally, he’d lose his street cred as “neighborhood watch captain” so he won’t say that until the chips are down.

    Tigre, remind me again what negligent homicide is. I do NOT believe that Z intended a pre-meditated murder. From what I understand, by virtue of bypassing the grand jury, the prosecutor has taken premeditation off the table.

  181. It is a joy that after three arduous years of El Bongo wasting away as President with us under his thumb, accompanied by racist pigs like
    Eric Holder as Attorney General no less, to watch these feckless libs scramble to come up something, anything, to excuse Bongo’s miserable record. Abject failure par excellence…

    You’ve had this beat down coming, Libs.

    Hooray for George Zimmerman!

  182. Dude’s entire life has revolved around people taking care of him.

    I have no idea what the hell you’re talking about. I’ve worked for everything I’ve ever had (and lost). You need to put yourself in check. The entire comment is off base.

  183. The question is will he cooperate with Roy Black in his defense? Will he even MEET with Roy Black. Are you aware his now-defunct attorneys never actually met him face to face? WTF is with that????

    Defunct lawyers? 😆 What the hell is a “defunct lawyer?”

    I suspect the lawyers claiming to represent him signed on for the notoriety and were acceptable for a period. I’ll wager he has probably acquired a considerable war chest now. He probably wants to change horses or is scared and confused.

    His not meeting them face to face? So what? I there some rule about that I wasn’t taught about in law school? He’s in hiding because he has a price on his head. FWIW, I have represent numerous clients that I never met face to face. One of the most difficult because of the time difference was from Bangkok.

    “All any of us KNOWS for a fact is that Zimmerman defied the request of the 911 operator and pursued an unarmed man while carrying a weapon. We KNOW that. That ain’t pretty. Now let’s see what other facts unfold.”

    No we don’t. Many believe that he stopped following Martin when the 911 operator told him not too, then Martin pursued Zimmerman on his way back to the car. R, you don’t know shit.

    You know there’s a reason that you MSNBCers are ALWAYS wrong. Always. You in particular. It’s because your caricatures are wrong and you generally don;t care about the truth as much as you do validation.

    Now, is Zimmerman a racist or not R?

  184. One way around the comment box is to use Mac’s text edit or PC’s notepad/word and copy/paste.

    True but way too clumsy. The other thing that is bothering me is spellcheck no longer defaults to “on”. So I have to right click and turn on spellcheck before I submit comments. I’m about to kill WordPress!!

  185. I know as a nullifidean I should not say this but … thank God for Thor!!!! He’s on point today … and one of my favorites was “buh bye”. ROTFLMAO 😆

  186. “How the f*ck should I know? Hell we don’t even know if he said “coon” or “goon”. I thought I heard somewhere that he’s tutored minority kids.”

    Then why are you stroking yourself? You should be horrified at what you’re seeing and, as shown by your defense of virtually every race-baiter including the unimportant NBPP, you clearly are not. It’s obvious you desperately want this to be a racial incident. Obvious. You should be asking yourself why that is rather than drawing misplaced inferences from Zimmerman’s conduct as he;s being hunted down by your heros.

  187. Tigre, never heard the f*cking cold variation. Maybe he said f*cking boon, as in “Trayvon is a boon to the community and I so admire him!!!!”

    🙄

    Hey smart-ass, you know damn well what I meant by defunct attorney. As in the two guys who fired their client. No need to guess about his war chest. He’s launched a web site to collect funds. Of course, you’d know that if you actually kept up with the story.

  188. Did MSNBC tell you that the withdrawal of the two lawyers implied guilt?

    Again, I hope he;s in South America — because of people like you Rutherford.

  189. your defense of virtually every race-baiter including the unimportant NBPP

    Oh please stop. I haven’t laughed this hard all year. I’m defending the NBPP???? Where exactly did I do that, and don’t tell me over at BiW’s place. All I have said is the NBPP influence over what this society will actually DO, is next to nil.

    I have a question for you Tigre. Is it possible to turn oneself into the police for the purpose of protective custody? If so, why doesn’t Z take that option?

  190. “I do NOT believe that Z intended a pre-meditated murder.”

    Murder requires “malice aforethought” (pre-meditiation) or a substitute for it (e.g. reckless disregard or felony murder rule = death occurring during the commision of a felony constitutes murder even if unintentional — the idea being that the requisite scienter was in the decision to place others at risk of death in committing the felony, like the botched robbery where an innocent person gets shot by accident).

    State of mind at the time of the homicide is what distinguishes murder from manslaughter (or variations of homicide like negligent homicide).

  191. This crap is MANufactured™ news.

    We’re bailing out the euro, staging for WWWIII, teetering on the brink of martial law, and we’re all playing race tag. WTF?

    Turn off the bloody media. Boycott their bunk.

  192. Tigre, the possibility that he said “punks” is old news.

    I’ve always doubted he said “coons” because that is an incredibly obsolete slur for blacks. I wouldn’t expect anyone under the age of 60 to be using it.

  193. “All I have said is the NBPP influence over what this society will actually DO, is next to nil.”

    And. . . so. . . it. . . doesn’t. . . really. . . matter. . . ?

  194. Did MSNBC tell you that the withdrawal of the two lawyers implied guilt?

    MSNBC didn’t TELL me anything. The fact that the lawyers quit, to my mind, implies CRAZY … not necessarily guilt.

  195. R, show me where you expressed outrage over the unfounded accusations that Zimmerman shot Martin because he was black.

    And saying it’s “LIFE” doesn’t count. Your life is MSNBC.

  196. “The fact that the lawyers quit, to my mind, implies CRAZY. . .”

    It implies what they said it did: they couldn’t communicate with their client.

    Oh that CRAZY White-Hispanic that called 911right before he hunter down Martin like a dog and shot him in the street because he was black. 🙄

  197. R, show me where you expressed outrage over the unfounded accusations that Zimmerman shot Martin because he was black.

    Like a good Fox News correspondent, you’re excellent at manipulating words. The “unfounded accusation” has nothing to do with the killing and everything to do with the pursuit and suspicion on Z’s part. Can I swear that Z wouldn’t have been alarmed by a white kid? No. But I think the odds are pretty high that Trayvon’s race didn’t work in his favor with respect to Z’s “vigilance”.

  198. Thought so. Not one scintilla of evidence, but that ain’t gonna stop you from joining in the orgy.

    Go get ’em. Your “vigilance” certainly appreciated by your MSNBC peeps. Gotta protect us from those White-Hispanics.

  199. Regarding 243, it is fun to watch you argue with yourself Tigre. Let’s see what the special prosecutor has to say at 6pm EDT today.

    And what is this, we’re now watching Obama’s figure like he’s some anorexic supermodel? 🙄

  200. Yeah. You got me Rutherford. The “unfounded accusation” has nothing to do with the killing and everything to do with the pursuit and suspicion on Z’s part. 🙄

    You don’t need to wait. You already know what the special prosecutor says. But may your wishes come true and prove how racist he and white America really is.

    Thanks God for Sharpton, Jackson, NBPP, Holder and all the other race pimps that started out with virtually every fact wrong (including the race of the shooter) yet continued on undeterred.

    After Tawana Brawley, Crown heights, Duke LaCross, the Michigan Malitia, the Giffords shooting (one of your favorites), it’s time for a score!

  201. “And what is this, we’re now watching Obama’s figure like he’s some anorexic supermodel?”

    Why not? Weight was factor for MSNBC when Christie was running as was Palin’s wardrobe.

  202. So VC = bad, failed company = good. And we’re cheated because capital gains rates are paid and “we” have to make up the difference, whereas income tax rates would be paid. . . otherwise. . . oh, we’ll get to that later?? The point is, when companies fail, at least the government isn’t being cheated no matter how many jobs are salvaged or industry growth occurs. Perfectly logical.

  203. I’m waiting for Rutherford to explain how we all know Z didnt turn aroumd when he was asked to do so. Of course R knows his gun was drawn from the get go. Rutherford, you are not very smart. Did they let you in Harvard becuase of your twisted insect thorax for a body or because you are black?
    You are a weak person, a crowd follower. A man boy who navigates life via the pity of others. Sure, you found some self loathing soul mate with a sick Stephen Hawking like fetish. Oh, you don’t like me making stuff up?. You deserve the treatment I’m giving you. I wish I knew another gimp equal to your gimpness but with honor. It would be fun to watch him drool with victory and slay you St. George style. Fuck off.

  204. Rabbit, still haven’t installed that anti-assh*le app I see. Keep searching.

    Try reading before you pull your trigger. I said I (and YOU) don’t know what happened right before Tray got shot. You want him to be the aggressor. I imagine having spent most of your life teaching trash, your world view is bound to be warped.

    And a f*ck you to you too.

    Aside to Alfie wherever you are …. see, it didn’t take long for the peaceful thread of Easter day to turn ugly. 😉

  205. Oh for those not familiar with Rabbit and who might be confused by my comment … the old Dead man has spent a good part of his life teaching incarcerated hoodlums. Not hard to figure why Trayvon Martin fits a profile for the Rabbit. 👿

  206. Trayvon fits the profile of the Sharpton shag. Let’s celebrate the “POST RACIAL RACIST” President and his exponential, hyperbolic curve of adding feckless dependents to the roles. Fuck Obama – put his ass on trial for racketeering and gross incompetence. He’ll fit right in at the Hague.

    Bongocare is socialized medicine, I don’t care if you’re too ignorant to know it. Government mandated healthcare overseen by government boards, socialized medicine by another name, which will now be gloriously struck down as unconstitutional – Obama’s supreme legacy of failure.

    And GM still sucks donkey dick, and still owes the taxpayers for those pieces of shit like the VOLT – a perfect symbol of Obama’s lack of accomplishment and lack of vision.

    Abysmal…

  207. The only reason I’m resspoding to you is your reference to my time working with incarcerated juveniles. Working with them gave me more emapathy for the gunned down thug, not less. This is about the digusting way you and your friends jump on bull shit bandwagons. It has been filthy from day one. I will stand up for any man being rail roaded by the mob. You have been full of shit on almost all the details of this case. In fact, your obsession of this case is telling since Travon is the only dead black man you have ever given a shit about. Again. You are a slave to the agendas of the worst kind of people.

  208. Oh, and the profile of no limit Niger has nothing to do with it. Only the facts at hand do. I said this early on.

  209. Oh Rutherford, I do have a good time with you, even if you are a turd.

    But Brother Rabbit is right about you. If this wasn’t political fodder, you wouldn’t give a shit about Trayvon ™. He would be another in a long list of bangers that you walked by on the way to corporate America.

    A slave to the worst kind of agendas is right.

    P.S. – I dislike Obama; I loathe Shelly. 😉

  210. Our daughter is a therapist and counsels mostly teenagers who are under court order to see her. Several of her clients have been killed or wounded, and a client burned one of their branch offices. She doesn’t care how this turns out. Her only opinion is it will end badly for someone.

    I hope everyone shuts up and lets the courts do their work. Many people and news organizations have shamed themselves, but they are borderline evil..

  211. @ Tigre #211
    You are correct. I was too broad in my comment. It is my understanding that a murder not premeditated does not require a grand jury in FL and apparently this case is not being considered premeditated.

  212. Raji, to my knowledge, premeditation (murder 1) is what would be required to constitute a “capital case.” I believe the lesser charges don’t embody the requisite “state of mind” (malice/intent) to qualify for capital punishment (execution).

    I just turned on the tv. No surprise.

    I pray that the agitators have not procured a wrong result in throwing a 22 year old into this process, life in prison a possible sentence. I believe it most likely though. They acted on disinformation and racism itself, caring little for any fact that didn’t support the narrative. A pitiful spectacle.

  213. Second-degree murder is different in different states. I don’t know about FLA, but I’m sure they’ll set it out in will soon consume the media’s attention. Generally, it’s a non-premeditated killing where the accused deliberately placed himself in a position where death is a foreseeable possibility.

  214. “I was reading yesterday that there are about 725 Americans leaving the country every day in anticipation of an Obama re-election.”

    ‘Link please. This is plain and utter foolishness and you know it.’

    Financial Intelligence Report. “An Obama Second Term: What It Means for You” James Dale Davidson – Page 3, last paragraph. It’s a subscription newsletter.

    You were right; I was wrong; my apologies. The number was 742 per hour. He doesn’t give HIS source.

  215. “As for Belize, puhleeeeze! You’re not going anywhere. You have a nice life that you’re enjoying to the max, so much so you quit a friggin’ job just cos you don’t like the new management …not exactly a move from a man with no options, being oppressed by the Obama “regime”.”

    Now who is talking nonsense? Of course I have options – and, by the way, the reason I HAVE those options is because I haven’t been a pussy and been afraid to make decisions when I needed to do so.

    Those kinds of people are exactly the ones who expatriate – people who have the means and the cojones to make whatever decisions need to be made to protect that for which they have worked a lifetime.

  216. “Cell phone users are 50 percent more apt to develop a brain tumor than non users, probably due to the microwaves breaking the brain blood barrier.”
    *******************

    How does that work when cell phones emit non-ionizing radiation, lower in energy than the visible light that surrounds us all day long?

    Here is one of the best explanations I have ever seen on ionizing and non-ionizing radiation:

    http://chemed.chem.purdue.edu/genchem/topicreview/bp/ch23/radiation.php

    Yes, you may have to read a bit. sorry.

    The energy of any given photon is completely determined by its wavelength/frequency. High frequency means more energy; lower, less. You will notice that cell phone radiation is many, many orders of magnitude lower frequency than visible light, in which we bathe all day. Sorry – non-hunting dog.

    ********************

    re: socialized medicine. We already have it to about a 90% extent. Ever hear the old saw, Whoever Pays the Bills Calls the Shots? The govt is paying the bills and believe me they call the shots, one and all:

    I just talked to my orthopedic surgeon friend yesterday. He is a BONE DOCTOR, yet CMS has now mandated that he spend – and document – that he has counseled anyone over 65 about the Pneumovax pneumonia shot and anyone who smokes he must counsel and document that he tried to get them to quit. WTF does that have to do with a fracture? On fracture recheck days he used to be able to see a patient every 5 minutes; the nurses had the x-rays hung and the chart ready. The patients were ecstatic. Now he sees half as many as before. He’s quitting too. And don’t try to feed me a line of bullshit about what a good life HE has, Rutherford; this is MY sandbox and I have played in it a long, long time.

    Our Mother Ship Hospital is now issuing continuous email warnings about drug shortages. The latest is bicarbonate – yep, baking soda. You can get it all day at WalMart, but it is not pharmaceutical grade. The drug companies, in preparation for Obamacare, are cutting back on drug production to save money, since much of it will be below cost. Research on new drugs? Yeah, right.

    Hold onto your hats, boys; it’s coming. God help us all.

  217. Zimmerman is 28 instead of 22, not that that makes a difference.

    The way this has played in the media, he can’t win. Charging him now seems like a punishment or merely an act to appease public outrage.

    Unfortunately for Zimmerman, we have already tried the case in public. Even the POTUS has weighed in. No matter the outcome of the court proceedings, some will never be satisfied justice was served.

  218. My pharmacist brother gives out opiates all day to people getting high on tax payer dime. Hes a drug dealer for the government and depressed about it. He thinks the majority of oxy is both illicit and funded by nanny.

  219. I think Tex sent me to that radiation page before, PFesser, or one that provided the same information. I appreciate the effort.

    I don’t have all the links to various studies handy, but this report was one of the ones I was thinking of:

    http://www.i-sis.org.uk/Mobile_Phones_Damage_the_Brain.php

    The science and technology industries often work together, sometimes for our good but more often for theirs. But it comes down to funding. Often the money comes from industry investers desiring a certain outcome. That isn’t true science and unfortunately is primarily what we get.

    I may have become sensitive to radiation over time. I am aware of varying energy sources and polar field shifts when I encounter them.

    I also have been headache free since I quit talking on cell phones. So, for me it has been a healthy change.

  220. Pfesser, Rutherford like all liberals talks out his ass as “expert” about a lot of subjects he doesn’t know a damn thing about, discounting a lifetime of experience as if that doesn’t count for shit. Thank you for correcting him, as I said almost verbatim what you told him above. Now he’s heard it twice, and I only have a fraction of the experience with medicine you have had.

    I do have one question, as its been awhile since I did “physics.” I remember Planck’s constant, particles, photons, ionizing vs. non ionizing, wavelengths and frequency, etc…one question has always puzzled me about microwaves. I understand at least in theory how they work by exciting the water molecules.

    But what about absorption of the water and fat molecules via the microwaves over a long term? I have pondered the long term effects of our cell phones in that close proximity to the brain.

  221. This is about the digusting way you and your friends jump on bull shit bandwagons.

    Very often around here some of you guys construct the Rutherford of your worst nightmares and go full throttle. Let’s review the actual facts of the blog regarding this case.

    1. Two articles is hardly an “obsession”.

    2. The first article was incredibly restrained. There was NO accusation of racial animus. In fact, I suggested a scenario that I have stuck to, which is that Z is a Barney Fife, doofus cop wanna-be who got in way over his head. Furthermore, I criticized Lawrence O’Donnell for trying to make the case racial and I applauded the black congresswoman who refused to take the bait. So, read the damn article again instead of fighting with Fantasy Rutherford.

    3. The second article was not about Trayvon per se but was about issues surrounding the case. Whether you agree with me or not, I said Stand Your Ground is lousy law. I further said that ALEC is a blight upon society. Finally I said that I had reached an epiphany regarding “hate crimes” and had decided the notion was a foolish one. No where in that article do I play Al Sharpton or do anything close to playing the race card. Again, read the f*cking piece again instead of fighting with Fantasy Rutherford.

    The problem with some of you (most noticeably El Tigre and Rabbit) is that I am a black liberal, with a documented sensitivity to what I perceive as racial injustice. Therefore I am the enemy in any discussion of an event that has racial implications …. even when I do NOT exploit those racial implications to make my point. Now, I’m not asking for sympathy. As a blogger, I open myself up to whatever comes my way. But in this case, some of you need to take a f*cking chill pill and realize you’re arguing with yourself or some imagined version of me.

  222. Lol……You are not black, Not in any cultural way that means a damn thing in the American forum, baggage included. Plus, you dont look black. You are a liberal, not a black one.

  223. In recent threads, I HAVE made what I believe to be accurate observations:

    1. It seems highly likely Z mistrusted Trayvon partly because he was a young black man. It’s called profiling. Doesn’t make him a racist but does indicate a racial bias.

    2. It seems highly likely that had Z been black himself, he would have been arrested. (I think the disproportionate number of blacks currently incarcerated speaks to this … or as I summarized it for Tigre … “life” proves the point.)

    3. Based on the documented history of the Sanford police department, had Trayvon been white, the approach to the crime might have been different. It was the perception of Sanford blacks that justice was not pursued for black victims with the same vigor as for white victims.

    Finally Rabbit has repeatedly complained about this case getting notoriety while black on black crime is completely ignored by the media. Some cases take on a symbolism that captures the public’s imagination or passion. During a press conference today, the attorney for Trayvon’s parents stated that one of the issues in this case was an indifference to blacks getting killed by whites and other blacks. This case has always been about possible police indifference, not about George Zimmerman. The crazies have focused on Zimmerman and made his life hell. But that is not what responsible commentators have been focused upon.

    Finally, I have NEVER supported the crazies. How many times do I need to condemn Spike Lee before some of you believe that I don’t support Spike Lee?

  224. Regarding 274, you’ve got a couple of things wrong there Rabbit. First you assume there is only one way to be “black” and only one “black culture”. That’s nonsense. Just because most blacks don’t listen to Green Day doesn’t make listening to Green Day, a white thing.

    Second, being black is as much about what goes on in your head as what shows on your skin. You have never had a day in your life where you had to worry about passing for white or dealing with the guilt of unintentionally passing for white. I have a self awareness based on my background that you will never have, When I was a kid, I had a white girl tell me we could never be married when we grew up because I was black. I’ve seen my mother mistaken for the maid of the house. Those experiences qualify me to claim “blackness” even if it does not fit your definition.

  225. I pray that the agitators have not procured a wrong result in throwing a 22 year old into this process,

    Huh? If you’re talking about Zimmerman he’s not 22 … he’s in his late 20’s I believe. And Zimmerman threw himself into this process when he strutted around the neighborhood packing heat. Until we know the facts, lawyer-man, stop making Zimmerman the victim.

  226. The number was 742 per hour.

    PF, for a man who is skeptical of the virgin birth, does that little factoid really ring true to you? Now it’s not “per day” it’s “per hour”. Really man? C’mom!!

  227. No matter the outcome of the court proceedings, some will never be satisfied justice was served.

    Poolman you are right but that is the case with every criminal prosecution. This one just happens to be in public.

    My only fear at this point is that the SYG defense will be presented to a judge at a prelim hearing, giving him the right to dismiss the charge without going to trial. If that happens, the perception will be that we are right back to square one.

    On the other hand, if the case goes to trial, I think many will accept whatever verdict is rendered and many will not. But at least the case will have been prosecuted to the full extent of our legal system which is primarily what was desired.

  228. Aww, a few off handed remarks make you black? My mom was the maid. Your blackmess is abstract. Acdemic. Black is a culture and a skin color. You have never had either. Have you even ever been to church? Ive been stereotyped more then you. Work on a roof crew for 8 years.

  229. Yeah, Rutherford. You’re just a white man in a black man’s body. Not even that black of a black body either. Kind of a whitish black or blackish white. You can’t know what it means to know what it means to be black. Take it from us white folks, or us semi white ones, anyway. You have to live like a black man to know what it feels to live like a black man. Got that?

  230. George Zimmerman’s new attorney Mark O’Mara gave a great statement that showed sensitivity for the victim (Trayvon) but also shed light on the current mental state of his client. The dude is (understandably) scared to death. He’s been afraid for his life for the past month or so.

    I know this is going to piss off the usual suspects but this is what happens when we hand out guns willy nilly in the name of the 2nd Amendment and then pass laws that embolden unprepared people to use them. I criticized Tigre for making Z the victim. I was wrong. Zimmerman is the victim of the NRA, the gun lobby, and conservatives who think with their dicks instead of their heads. Poor fool would be a free man today if he didn’t have that gun. 😦

  231. Have you even ever been to church?

    Only for weddings and funerals with one exception when I went to my wife’s church years ago. Gotta be religious to be black I guess. Damn, another disqualifier.

  232. Especially if they’re wearing a hoody. You know they’re packing. Nobody should look like a black man in a hoody. Period.

  233. “Huh? If you’re talking about Zimmerman he’s not 22 … he’s in his late 20′s I believe. And Zimmerman threw himself into this process when he strutted around the neighborhood packing heat. Until we know the facts, lawyer-man, stop making Zimmerman the victim.”

    Hahahahahaha. Moronic.

    Go back to your MSNBC pretend “black-man” and self-proclaimed liberal victim. Your versions of the facts, the law, and what was said here and elsewhere are worthless.

    The problem with you is intellectual dishonesty and laziness, not sensitivity to what you perceive as racial injustice.

  234. A defense attourney on Public Television last night said Zimmerman’s first two lawyers may be examined by the Florida legal orgainzations for misbehavior because of their hews conference.

    A former assistant DA said in a KFAB interview that the second degree murder charge was appropriate. DA’s use the most severe charge they think the facts will support, but they hold lessor charges like manslaugher in reserve for bargaining purposes.

    Like the Public Television lawyer, he said the network misinformation and race baiting will make a fair trial more difficult than it should be. Were it not for that, Zimmerman should be able to post bail. He may still be able to, but his chances will be poorer.

    Finding a jury will be much harder than it should be thanks to the rabble rousing. A venue may also be problamatic. Maybe the Virgin Islands…

    Its interesting that so many people are leaving the US, but figures don’t tell us much. How many are immigrants from the South, Ireland, or other places who return home because they don’t find jobs? What motivates the others? I’m sure some people are leaving because they fear Obama, but raw numbers don’t tell us much.

    I also read that over three million Russians plan to move to the US and Canada.

    283 is crazy talk to use this tragedy to weaken our Second Amendment rights. Guns also save lives. My wife took a long course to legaly carry. I was exempt because I am a veteran. Three of her disgruntled former students stopped killing and skinning dogs to leave on our cars or setting fires after they heard about my wife’s carrying a weapon.

    How do you know Zimmerman was unprepared to use a gun? Please share that information with us. Depending on the story, Zimmerman might be dead without his weapon. The jury will tell us which story is true.

    I agree, Zimmerman was probably profiling at some level. The impulse is built into us because for thousands of years, it saved lives.

  235. “But what about absorption of the water and fat molecules via the microwaves over a long term? I have pondered the long term effects of our cell phones in that close proximity to the brain.”

    Bombarding O-H bonds with radiation above the breakdown energy for the bond causes ionization via breakdown of the bond itself and setting the H. and O. free (the dot represents an electron and should be in the center, but I don’t know how to do that.) The damage is done via the free radical H3O+, which is chemically very active and gloms onto anything nearby.

    A radio wave (X-ray, gamma ray, light, cell phone) below the bond breakdown frequency can nevertheless deposit energy, but just makes the molecule “vibrate” – for lack of a better term. This manifests as heat, hence your RadarRange. Note the molecule does NOT break down, and once it COOLS down, should be OK, which I think answers your question about long-term effects.

    Ionizing radiation can have long term effects, but non-ionizing, unless it heat-damages, should return the tissue to baseline each and every time it is exposed. Too much of a good thing causes heat damage, but that requires a LOT of power (think microwave, aircraft radar, etc.) A measly 5Watts? Don’t think so. You know how much heat one of the old 5W night light bulbs puts out. Put one against your ear all day and your brain won’t get hot. (I know, the microwaves are more penetrating, but that just spreads the heat out further.) We bathe in radio waves all day long – there is a 10KW and a second 100KW FM station within 500 yards of my house; they broadcast 24/7. A 5W cell phone? Nah…

    Sorry, but unless someone can postulate something besides heat, I don’t buy it.

  236. Rutherford @275

    “In recent threads, I HAVE made what I believe to be accurate observations:
    1. It seems highly likely Z mistrusted Trayvon partly because he was a young black man. It’s called profiling. Doesn’t make him a racist but does indicate a racial bias.
    2. It seems highly likely that had Z been black himself, he would have been arrested. (I think the disproportionate number of blacks currently incarcerated speaks to this …”

    And I – and others – have also made what WE believe to be accurate observations, to wit:
    1) It would appear that the witness account of Trayvon sitting on top of George Zimmerman, beating hell out of him is accurate.
    2) It would make NO sense for Zimmerman to shoot this man for no reason, because the down-side is horrendous.
    3) It would make every kind of sense that, if a young athlete has your ass on the ground beating hell out of you and you have a gun, you are going to SHOOT him. I certainly would, and so would you.

    It seems to me that most here are looking at what appear to be the facts and reasonable assumptions of what a reasonable man would do under the circumstances, and it makes sense.

    It seems very simple to me. Zimmerman was trying to protect his neighborhood via donating his time for a neighborhood watch. That is what all the police SAY you should do if you are a good citizen. He was armed. That is legal. He was following a guy he had never seen before. That may not have been smart, but By God it is not illegal either. He got out of his car when the man started running and tried to follow him, but not being an athlete himself, he lost the guy. He went back to his car, but the athlete had circled around and confronted him. They fought; the athlete had him on the pavement striking his head against the concrete. THAT is ILLEGAL. Zimmerman shot him. That, in my very limited knowledge, according to Florida law IS legal.

    You, OTOH, seeing the world through the lens of racial affrontery, gyre and gimble and twist yourself in knots searching for a way that THAT was the Problem. You are talking thoughts and feelings and suppositions of what someone was thinking; we, OTOH are talking about what they DID.

    It’s actually much simpler than that. Trayvon picked on the wrong guy.

  237. Now, now gentlemen. R has a point. Until we know all the facts, one should presume Zimmerman’s guilt and presume racism (who that is changes daily, but by God we have a dead black boy and that’s all the evidence we need).

    And until we know all the facts, I shall not pray (or even hope) that Zimmerman isn’t being railroaded by those with a political agenda and the sheep that follow them. As a “lawyer-man” wishing to avoid injustice is itself an injustice!

    Zimmerman’s arrest is of course a victory because it validates the charges of racism that we all saw in the O.J., Duke Lacrosse, Tawana Brawley, Crown Heights, and hell, Cynthia McKinney’s assault at the hands of an evil white Capital security guard.

    To show that you are not racist, the best course is always to play along.

    🙄 🙄 🙄

  238. killing and skinning dogs to leave on our cars

    Wow, that’s some sick sh*t. Did you or your wife contact the police?

    In this particular case, James, Zimmerman would have been much better off if he had been trained in physical self defense. Let’s assume the worst — that Trayvon snuck up on him from behind. Had Zimmerman been trained in a martial art or some other non-lethal method of self defense, he could have whupped Trayvon’s ass or at least put up a fair fight. Considering Z’s interest in police work and his obvious interest in being a pro-active neighborhood watch, you’d think he’d be a better fighter. Since he upped the ante by carrying a gun, you’d think he might have been able to shoot to maim, not to kill. Of course, in a panic it’s a bit hard to have the presence of mind to aim for an arm or a leg.

    Sorry, from what I see, Zimmerman is a case study in why ordinary folks should not be carrying guns. Guns are for hunting, unless used by the police.

  239. “Had Zimmerman been trained in a martial art or some other non-lethal method of self defense, he could have whupped Trayvon’s ass or at least put up a fair fight.”

    Don’t know what a sucker-punch is do you?

    Even your beloved Messiah Obama knows that a gun is a right that extends beyond hunting and target practice. It is to “level the playing field” in the use of deadly force. He should have been a martial arts expert and therefore wouldn’t have needed a gun is absurd argumentation.

  240. It’s actually much simpler than that. Trayvon picked on the wrong guy.

    Again, assuming facts not in evidence. But let’s go there …. obviously Zimmerman picked on the wrong guy since we all agree Zimmerman pursued Trayvon. I can only tell you what I’ve heard lawyers say on TV. Stand Your Ground only works if your attacker was not provoked. You can’t intimidate someone, follow them, and prompt them to act out and then claim SYG when you shoot them. My understanding is you can revert to a simple self defense claim, which does involve going to trial. SYG will allow a judge to summarily dismiss the charge against Z. This isn’t SYG because from everything we can piece together, Zimmerman was the initial aggressor.

    Neighborhood watch is just that … WATCH (and call the police). It is not Barney Fife time. The minute Zimmerman decided to play cop, he set the entire tragedy in motion. Actually … THAT is indisputable. By the way, who has suggested that Z shot Tray for no reason? The problem is he brought a gun to a fist fight.

  241. Rutherford, you just can’t win, can you? 😆
    Now Rabbit is trying to out you like they did at Fat Grannies because you weren’t black enough. Sorry, but this is getting funny 🙂
    Rabbit, that’s like saying you aren’t white enough because you aren’t a WASP!

    Zimmerman has been tried and convicted! A second degree murder charge is BS! IMO!!! It’s all about the politics at this point. I disagree with PF though about it being legal to be armed for neighborhood watch volunteers. It was my understanding that being armed is what the police DON”T want.

  242. Tigre, you keep saying that I propose Zimmerman to be a racist. Who are you trying to convince, yourself?

    America is a racial hotbed. Blame Sharpton and Jackson if you like. Bottom line, regardless of race, this tragedy should have inflamed folks. A man who does NOT see a crime in progress and who therefore should mind his own damn business, harasses a youth who had every right to be where he was. And a Florida law makes it ok for said man to shoot said youth when the youth uses nothing but his fists to repel the harassment. And the local cops chat with said man for a couple of hours, pat him on the head and say “good for you.”

    I think YOU’RE the one who can’t get past race on this one. If you take race out of it, and you still don’t see a problem with what went down, then you’re bringing your own political biases to the table (i.e. pro-NRA biases).

  243. Pfesser,

    Point taken. I was not insinuating I believed in the threat of cell phone tissue damage. Twenty years of global use would prove your hypothesis since we have years of data to consider, and assuming 5 watts is correct that’s not like sticking your head in a microwave at home. 🙂 Energy required for bond breakage is indeed pretty constant if I remember my organic chemistry as the flood free radical knowledge is fuzzily retrieved.

    Now that I ponder some more, your heat inference is a good one. We’re getting pounding by UV every day, which is a couple of orders of logarithmic magnitude more powerful than microwave if I remember my electromagnetic scale.

    Scary what I am already forgetting. 😦

  244. I’m speculating this special prosecutor is a clever cookie. 2nd degree murder? Not if the jury is fair, it won’t be. Pacify the race hustlers and give them an unwinnable case. At best manslaughter, and George Zimmerman will walk a free man like he should.

    Will serve the race pimps right for their threat of lynching and violence.

    Protect your house and aim for the head when the verdict is read. Let the Korean grocers be your guide. 😉

    You’ll do the world a big favor in your preparedness and save us millions to boot in the long run. And don’t discriminate in gender. The women are worse.

  245. I never said he needed to be a martial arts “expert”. I said if he was gonna be big man on campus he should have been able to put up a decent fight and not get slammed against the concrete like a rag doll. Are you suggesting the conjectured “sucker punch” rendered him unconscious? Are you suggesting a decent fighter can’t recover from a sucker punch?

  246. It was my understanding that being armed is what the police DON”T want.

    Your understanding is correct and it goes deeper than that. From what I understand, the rules of a police sanctioned neighborhood watch is that volunteers are PROHIBITED from being armed in carrying out the service to the community. Again … this makes sense because it is neighborhood WATCH, not volunteer deputies.

    Raji, I don’t remember who already said this but murder-2 would be a natural charge from the prosecutor because it gives her wiggle room to get down to a lesser charge (plea bargain, for example). Since Florida law defines murder-2 as having a “depraved mind” during the crime, I agree with you that it does not apply to Zimmerman. I think there is every possibility that if the judge allows the trial to go forward (i.e. does not accept the SYG affirmative defense), then Z will cop to a lesser charge to get less jail time and save himself the ordeal of a trial.

  247. Anybody remember when Graychin the scold condemned me as “racist” when I stated for the record that the black community hates the white community? 😀

    Too bad the old fart isn’t here for him to remind of that with the above audio. And people are naive enough to think that attitude atypical? Damn, people are indeed stupid.

    Shiittt….

  248. So Tex, now Obama is responsible for the New Black Panthers? 🙄

    Damn, listening to that BPP video makes me feel like such a wimp. I readily admit I don’t have the balls to fight the evil white man. 😉

  249. No Tex my friend, it is you who are stupid. If you really think the average black person endorses that BPP video you have a very skewed and sick perspective on blacks.

    Surely you know blacks turn out at church more than the average minority and I’m not talking Rev Wright. Do you really think the average black preacher condones the BPP?

  250. “Tigre, you keep saying that I propose Zimmerman to be a racist. Who are you trying to convince, yourself?”

    No dipshit. You started saying that which is why all the discussion of whether “coon” was said. You changed your tune.

    Now what do you think all the “hoodie” talk and this shit?

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/03/27/dem_congressman_trayvon_was_hunted_down_like_a_dog_shot_down_in_the_street.html

    I am talking about the agitators. The ones that are patting themselves in the back for securing the arrest and indictment. Good Lawd you’re dense. You go with whatever O’Donnel says on his show as to whom or what constitutes the racism which is always changing as the facts play out.

    As for the homicide/murder/manslaughter, you won’t think or consider what I write about it so I will no longer spend the time to do it. You just won’t read what I write with any degree of discipline. Go to wikipedia or google it if you want. You always read for validation rather then to learn. I’ve had enough.

  251. As for the homicide/murder/manslaughter, you won’t think or consider what I write about it so I will no longer spend the time to do it.

    Touchy touchy. I never contradicted your definitions other than to add what I’d heard on the tube regarding murder in the 2nd degree.Ease up dude. I wouldn’t ask you legal stuff if I didn’t respect your opinion. I didn’t go to law school. You did. Get a grip.

    I know you think your MSNBC parrot meme will get a rise out of me but it’s getting boring and actually shows you’ve got no more ammo in your quiver.

    Here is what you don’t seem to want to face. Without the agitators, a minor’s death would have only gotten a cursory investigation. That’s just not right. I don’t know why you can’t see that.

  252. You started saying that which is why all the discussion of whether “coon” was said.

    I’m the dipsh*t? Read the original article again … not the one in your head … the one I wrote. I condemned O’Donnell for pushing the “coon” thing and I applauded the congresswoman for not taking the bait.

    In the comments sections, I have said that you can make that word out to be whatever you want when you listen to the tape. When I listen for coons I hear coons. When I listen for punks I hear punks. Review the exchange between me and Muffy to refresh your memory.

    Again …. you’re fighting with Fantasy Rutherford.

  253. “I know as a nullifidean I should not say this but … thank God for Thor!!!! He’s on point today … and one of my favorites was “buh bye”. ROTFLMAO” – R

    Thanks R

  254. “I’m speculating this special prosecutor is a clever cookie. 2nd degree murder? Not if the jury is fair, it won’t be. Pacify the race hustlers and give them an unwinnable case.” – Tex

    Or she has evidence that has not been leaked to the public. I think prosecutors are interested in convictions, not pacifying race hustlers.

  255. Surely you know blacks turn out at church more than the average minority and I’m not talking Rev Wright. Do you really think the average black preacher condones the BPP?

    Rutherford, it’s a sad perspective when a black man thinks (1) Churches are necessarily righteous – Rev Wright or not; which by the way, is pretty typical – Wright just happened to be Brack’s preacher man; (2) Has an incredibly poor understanding and gauge of his own race.

    The black churches are the hot beds of white hatred. Surely a man of your “genius” recognizes the most segregated places in America are the church pews of Sunday morning.

    And while I realize my honest and accurate assessment surely doesn’t apply to all blacks as you would be proof of that, I feel quite comfortable saying 75% of blacks in America hate whites, indoctrinated from an early age to hate whites. And it will be their downfall. Period.

  256. “I’m the dipsh*t? Read the original article again … not the one in your head … the one I wrote. I condemned O’Donnell for pushing the “coon” thing and I applauded the congresswoman for not taking the bait.”

    Face to palm. 🙄

    “I am talking about the agitators. The ones that are patting themselves in the back for securing the arrest and indictment. Good Lawd you’re dense.”

    Are you fucking blind?

  257. “I was wrong. Zimmerman is the victim of the NRA, the gun lobby, and conservatives who think with their dicks instead of their heads. Poor fool would be a free man today if he didn’t have that gun.” – R

    Bullshit. No one forced him to buy a gun, no one forced him to carry a gun and no one forced him to use a gun. He either gave in to his own arrogance or his own fear, not the NRA.

  258. I thought we had some verbiage in this thread about ALEC. Maybe it was the last thread. Anyway, this Trayvon incident has pointed a light on that organization. Now that they are public knowledge, we can begin to see how they do and have operated.

    Right now, the effect is like cockroaches scattering when you turn on the light. As soon as we refocus elsewhere, it will be business as usual. It should be noted who this group represents and what it is they promote.

    See where this is going? After compromising the federal government as much as possible, you push for “states’ rights,” and then you go to work compromising one state legislature after another.

    There are virtually unlimited funds available to buy the system, and from the corporate point of view, it’s much cheaper to pay pennies on the dollar for friendly votes than it is to institute working-place safety measures, take good care of your customers, produce quality products, and compete fairly in a truly open marketplace.

    http://whowhatwhy.com/2012/04/12/smart-alecs-get-their-due/

  259. This morning, when she was asked what she would like to say to Zimmerman, Fulton said on The Today Show that she wants an apology from him.

    “I believe it was an accident. I believe it just got out of control and he couldn’t turn the clock back,” Fulton said, revealing her opinion about what happened the night her 17-year-old son was shot to death. “I would ask him, did he know that that was a minor, that that was a teenager and that he did not have a weapon.”

    SOMEONE NEEDS TO GET THEIR STORY STRAIGHT

    “We believe that George Zimmerman stalked my son and murdered him in cold blood. The ‘accident’ I was referring to was the fact that George Zimmerman and my son ever crossed paths. It was an accidental encounter,” the statement said. “If George Zimmerman hadn’t gotten out of his vehicle, this entire incident would have been avoided. My son was profiled, followed and murdered by George Zimmerman, and there was nothing accidental about that.”

  260. Thor, you ever given consideration that “gun” may have just saved George Zimmerman’s life from a neighborhood thug?

    Or will your little progressive mind allow you to go there? 🙂

    That gash to the back of the head sure does hint to a close encounter with an ass whipping before the pistol ever fired. So does the hole in Trayvon’s™ chest.

    Perhaps Trayvon™ was at the very least looking for a fight and got more than he bargained for. Zimmerman may yet prove to be not a murderer, but a hero acting in self defense of a neighborhood under attack by vile youth.

  261. Now Tex old boy …. don’t you think hate is a strong word? I might agree with you that 75% of blacks are weary of whites. I think the nation sufficiently polarized that the races don’t trust each other. But “hate”? Nah that’s a step too far.

  262. Tigre, what am I blind to? YES … the “agitators” are patting themselves on the back because the killing of a minor that would have been otherwise ignored is now being prosecuted. It’s a victory.

  263. Raji I see where you’re coming from but these are ordinary folks, not camera savvy, being thrown into the spotlight. I’m not sure I can fault the grieving mother for her narrative being a bit confused.

  264. Tex your comment shows your ignorance of the case. Trayvon could not have been the “neighborhood thug” because he didn’t f*cking live there. He was visiting his father. He lived with his mother elsewhere in Florida.

    What you should have said, had you been paying attention to the actual facts, is that Z saw someone in the neighborhood he hadn’t seen before and it made him nervous.

    If Z were 70 years old, I might be more inclined to line up on this ass-whupping theory. How likely is it that an able bodied man can get beaten to death just by fists? Well maybe if he lays there like a wet noodle. But you’re telling me, Z could not try to gouge Trayvon’s eyes out? He couldn’t hit back? Was Trayvon a hand to hand combat killing machine? Let’s get real here.

  265. All the fringe characters are chiding in. Mike Tyson thinks it’s a crime that nobody has gone ahead and pulled Zimmerman from out of his house and shot him. Of course, he also claims that he doesn’t know the full story, yet, never-the-less has pegged him as guilty.

  266. Rutherford, you’ve obviously never been a hit in the temple, choked, smashed upside the forehead. Happens all the time hand to hand. Just happened to a 13 year old boy here this week. Head hit concrete, eternity.

    A druggie, a juvenile delinquent, and most likely a brutish thug. Trayvon’s™ entire high school track record says trouble. Did he deserve to die? Not at the outset, clearly. Wrong place, wrong time. But if he was providing a beat down and being the bully as I suspect he was, he did.

    And yes, a vast majority of blacks hate whites – say comparable to most Muslims hating Jews. It’s indoctrinated in childhood from generation to generation, for reasons that are both invalid and illogical. Not one member of our generation has ever experienced legalized racism. Men like Eric Holder, and yes, Eric Holder is clearly a whitey hating racist who uses his unelected power as a crutch to excuse abhorrent behavior. Obama uses it to obtain power.

    Both Holder and Obama are clearly creeps and thugs – certainly not deserving of national recognition as anything but abject failures.

  267. “I’m speculating this special prosecutor is a clever cookie. 2nd degree murder? Not if the jury is fair, it won’t be. Pacify the race hustlers and give them an unwinnable case. At best manslaughter, and George Zimmerman will walk a free man like he should.”

    That certainly occurred to me, too. Overcharge; the jury won’t convict on Murder 2, so he walks. The race-baiters got their trial and the boy walks free.

    re: the police don’t want you armed.

    That is not their f*cking call. It is either legal or illegal to be armed in Florida, and I understand it is legal. What the cops like is irrelevant.

  268. “I know you think your MSNBC parrot meme will get a rise out of me but it’s getting boring and actually shows you’ve got no more ammo in your quiver.”

    No, I say to because it’s true. I couldn’t care less about getting a rise out of you. Getting you to focus on what you’re reading and writing is something different, and always reverts back to what you were told on MSNBC

    Of course there’s the Daily Show too. 😆

  269. “That certainly occurred to me, too. Overcharge; the jury won’t convict on Murder 2, so he walks. The race-baiters got their trial and the boy walks free.”

    My initial thought too.

  270. Like I said, you don’t actually read what I write. From just within the past week:

    Be that as it may, tragedies like this often provide an opportunity to examine related issues. With a hat tip to MSNBC’s Chris Hayes and HBO’s Bill Maher, I’d like to look at three of them.

  271. Regarding this business of “overcharging” and the cynical take on it from Tigre, Pfesser and Tex: While I do believe she overcharged (as I said to Raji) I don’t think she did it in the hope that Z walks. Thor is right. No prosecutor wants to risk her reputation by deliberately launching a losing case. She is hoping for a plea bargain. Also, isn’t it true that a jury can find Z guilty of a lesser offense even though the charge is murder-2?

    The prosecutor represents the victim. She has assured the family that she will do the best she can to see justice done. So I assume the resident cynics say she’s lying to the family?

  272. “Nah. You don’t generally work off Bill Maher.”

    Didn’t bother to read carefully enough to see the word “generally” did you?

    The prosecutor represents that State moron, not the alleged victim’s family.

    Also, isn’t it true that a jury can find Z guilty of a lesser offense even though the charge is murder-2?”

    Not unless charged with the lesser offense (to my knowledge). Overcharging has resulted in many acquittals. I’ve been told that the lesser charge can be included later.

    “No prosecutor wants to risk her reputation by deliberately launching a losing case.”

    No prosecutor wants to risk their reputation by visiting the outrage and after-the-fact inquiry in the atmosphere you consider “justice.”

    She is a “special prosecutor” by the way. The elected “prosecutor” declined to charge. And to my knowledge, she could’ve referred this to a grand jury. Now why do you think she might not? Go ahead. Guess.

    I don’t understand what “lying” to the family has to do with it. Justice might mean an acquittal with a self-defense defense (where only a preponderance of the evidence is required.

    Since when is justice meted out by making someone defend a case you don’t believe you can prove in order to obtain a plea? How about charging manslaughter and plea baragining against the sentence?

    You guys are mighty naive.

    And I love how the presumption of guilt is called “justice” based on what you know.

  273. Incidentally, and especially since Rutherford doesn’t like to reason a the way through things, “the State” has an interest in Zimmerman not being persecuted or prosecuted unjustly. In theory. Overcharging with eye towards extracting a plea deal to a lower offense is unethical and offensive.

    A part of me would like to see how guys like Rutherford would feel if they personally had been falsely accused yet required to defend because of the political pressure applied in cases like this.

    Don’t you guys remember Duke Lacrosse?

    (That’s rhetorical — you don’t care because you are reactive libs with your own agendas a/k/a liberal justice).

    R, the regulars remember the Giffords shooting and your manufactured outrage. Sad.

  274. The prosecutor represents that State moron, not the alleged victim’s family.

    I’m well aware of that. I chose my words poorly. In the prosecutors summation to the jury, he or she doesn’t try to inspire jury outrage on behalf of the state. He or she tries to inspire outrage on behalf of the victim. Hence, he or she is de facto the victim’s advocate.

  275. Overcharging with eye towards extracting a plea deal to a lower offense is unethical and offensive.

    So said Alan Dershowitz on TV today. He also said the statement of the charge (I don’t remember what it is called exactly) was worse than inadequate and that any judge worth his salt would not allow the trial to go forward on murder-2 based on the prosecutorial statement.

    P.S. A minor trivia note: I had a very brief phone conversation with Dershowitz when I was a Freshman at Harvard doing a paper on capital punishment. At the time, I had NO idea who he was.

  276. “So said Alan Dershowitz on TV today.

    Let me guess. MSNBC? 🙄

    R, this is perhaps one of the grossest oversimplifications I have read, and in the context of our discussion a critically false paradigm:

    “He or she tries to inspire outrage on behalf of the victim. Hence, he or she is de facto the victim’s advocate.”

    A prosecutor owes a duty to the alleged wrongdoer and the State in selecting the cases to pursue.

    In this instance, “the State” includes Zimmerman and the State’s interest in only prosecuting cases that it should and can obtain a conviction. By no means is it the prosecutor’s duty to empathize and prosecute “on behalf of” the family’s of alleged victims or the victims themselves.

    It is also why the Duke Lacrosse debacle was so heinous on multiple fronts, not the least of which was the subversion of truth due to the political pressures you discount in the Zimmerman case.

    Now ones the decision is made to prosecute, the duty to “ethically” obtain a conviction or abandon the case arises. In arguing the sentence or state of mind, the sympathies of the victim are necessarily offered as argument.

    But make no mistake about it: Zimmerman like all criminal defendants is “innocent until proven guilty” not the passions of the alleged victims family. Period.

    And like mana from heaven, that effeminate dweeb guest on MSNBC Jonathen Capehart, made the comment just this morning that if the self-defense plea results in dismissal of the charges without trial, “the Martin Family” can appeal. Um, no.

    Is the stunning similarity to what you said coincidence again? Methinks not.

  277. And like mana from heaven, that effeminate dweeb guest on MSNBC Jonathen Capehart, made the comment just this morning that if the self-defense plea results in dismissal of the charges without trial, “the Martin Family” can appeal. Um, no.

    Is the stunning similarity to what you said coincidence again? Methinks not.

    LOL Since I wrote what I wrote BEFORE Capehart made his statement … yes, it is a coincidence.

    I didn’t see Capehart this morning but I believe he was saying that if a judge grants Z immunity from prosecution based on SYG that decision CAN be appealed to a higher level judge. I’ve heard other folks say the same thing. Are they wrong?

    I understand your distinction that such an appeal would be made by the prosecutor, not by “the Martin family”. I’m guessing Capehart was just imprecise in his language.

    By the way, I hate to break it to you, but you’re starting to watch more MSNBC than I do. I haven’t enjoyed Morning Joe in some time because my wife uses the living room as her office during the day and I’m stuck eating breakfast in my office long after MoJo has left the air. (And no, I don’t have a TiVo in my office. 😦 ).

    P.S. Capehart is a completely reasonable and likable fellow. You can’t see past the “gay”?

  278. Oh, to be clear just in case there was some misunderstanding, I was NOT saying that Dershowitz agreed with me on the prosecutor being an advocate for the victim. I think you would have completely agreed with what he had to say even if it was on MSNBC.

  279. “I’m guessing Capehart was just imprecise in his language.”

    My point is that it’s not just imprecision or inartful language. It is the critically mistaken belief that fuels your opinions and understanding of the process.

    I don’t care whether he’s more flaming than Liberace or you find him kinda cute, Capehart is a jackboot.

  280. It is the critically mistaken belief that fuels your opinions and understanding of the process.

    Well in defense of Capehart and others in the media, my understanding of the process is more fueled by watching 15 years of “Law and Order” than it is by an offhand statement by an MSNBC talking head. Yes, I know that makes me an ignoramus but at least put the blame where it belongs.

  281. “Thor, you ever given consideration that “gun” may have just saved George Zimmerman’s life from a neighborhood thug?” – Tex

    I think that gun ended George Zimmerman’s life as surely as it ended the kid’s. A strong man would have walked away.

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