The Trayvon Martin Case — Three Related Issues

As I write this, the travails of Trayvon Martin, the 17-year-old boy shot by a self-appointed neighborhood watch captain, George Zimmerman, are taking on new colors. It may or may not turn out that Trayvon gave George sufficient reason to use his gun in self-defense. Be that as it may, tragedies like this often provide an opportunity to examine related issues. With a hat tip to MSNBC’s Chris Hayes and HBO’s Bill Maher, I’d like to look at three of them.

A Bad Law

A look at Florida’s so-called Stand Your Ground statute reveals it, at least to my laymen’s eye as very bad legislation. First, the law is overly broad. According to Chapter 776 of the Florida Crimes statute, a person may stand their ground and use lethal force “if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.” (Emphasis mine.) Notice that lethal force can be used not only in defense of self, but in defense of another. But it goes even further to prevent commission of a forcible felony. So what exactly is a forcible felony? According to Chapter 776, “Forcible felony.—“Forcible felony” means treason; murder; manslaughter; sexual battery; carjacking; home-invasion robbery; robbery; burglary; arson; kidnapping; aggravated assault; aggravated battery; aggravated stalking; aircraft piracy; unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb; and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual. ” (Again, emphasis mine.) Some of these crimes are not necessarily life threatening yet the statute gives a bystander who has a right to be where he is, the added right to use lethal force to prevent these crimes.

The Stand Your Ground law has its foundation in the “Castle law”, the common law notion that a man’s home is his castle and he has a right to defend it. However in most cases a simple claim of self-defense will be accepted in a home break-in. The Stand Your Ground law extends this self-defense claim to public places and even when you yourself are not the one being threatened.

Beyond its breadth, which I think is excessive, there is also the problem of police being given the right to grant immunity from prosecution, on the spot, to anyone with a legitimate Stand Your Ground defense. However, as law professor Micheal Mannheimer points out, how can the Stand Your Ground defense even be properly evaluated without the legal mechanisms to evaluate it, i.e. arrest and trial? Mannheimer writes:

So what is truly distinctive about Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law? It is this: while self-defense conventionally is just that — a defense, to be raised at trial — self-defense under the Florida law acts as an immunity from prosecution or even arrest. Section 776.032 of the Florida Statutes provides that a person who uses deadly force in self-defense “is immune from criminal prosecution.” This odd provision means that a person who uses deadly force in self-defense cannot be tried, even though the highly fact-intensive question of whether the person acted in self-defense is usually hashed out at trial. The law thus creates a paradox: the State must make a highly complex factual determination before being permitted to avail itself of the forum necessary to make such a determination. [Emphasis mine.]

In short, the Florida statute is bad law.

ALEC: How a Bad Law Goes Viral

Until this past week, I had never heard of the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC). Just based on the name, I was actually impressed. What a great idea! A group of legislators from across the country sharing legislative ideas in order to spread best of breed solutions. Unfortunately ALEC has a dark side that undermines my rosy picture. ALEC is composed not only of legislators from across the country but also business interests including the Koch brothers, the tobacco industry and the NRA to name a few. The Council leans heavily conservative. ALECExposed.org goes into great detail on the workings of this council and its dangers. The council drafts “model legislation” which is then taken back to the States by member legislators. The legislation is presented as original by the legislator (despite its ALEC origin) and is voted on. The Stand Your Ground law has spread across the country in part because of the efforts of ALEC. ALECExposed.org details the nefarious origins of Stand Your Ground here. The amount of NRA influence into the law is disturbing to say the least.

On this snapshot from the ALEC site, the Council brags about its success rate in introducing and passing legislation across the country. The so-called “Castle law” based on the ALEC model spread to Maine, North Dakota and Tennessee in 2007 alone. The troubling aspect to ALEC is that instead of lobbyists going to the various state legislatures to influence law, legislators essentially go to a gathering with lobbyists and then bring the ideas back with them as their own. In this way, bad legislation can go viral without any demand from the electorate and no obvious track back to the corporate influence involved.

The Redundancy of Hate Crime Designation

One of the issues being tossed around in the Trayvon Martin case is whether his shooter was caught on tape using a racial epithet, and if so, does this point to a hate crime.  As a liberal, I always took it for granted that special designation of hate crimes was a good thing. The goal, as I saw it was to punish folks for wrongful attitudes that lead to violence and by example shape the thought process of others. This seemed to me a noble approach. The topic got discussed on HBO’s “Real Time with Bill Maher” last Friday night and for the first time I found myself reevaluating my position.

The truth is actions speak louder than thoughts or words. A murder victim is no less dead if the murderer bore him no ill will because of his race, gender or sexual preference. When we start talking hate crimes, we’re really talking mind control. The last time I looked, it was legal to hate people for any reason whatsoever. It is also illegal to murder someone in most cases (exceptions being typically self-defense). Why the two have to be mixed in deciding upon punishment no longer makes sense to me.

Another way to look at it is this. In most murders (I use the word generically, not in its strict legal sense), the murderer does not like the victim. Exceptions include “mercy killing” which supposedly puts a loved one out of misery, or a contract killing, where the perpetrator is doing it strictly for the money and has no ill will for the victim. But in most cases, particularly at the moment of the act, a murderer either dislikes or hates the victim. So in many cases, murder by definition is a hate crime. The reason WHY the murderer hates his victim is irrelevant except perhaps in some sort of legal defense (e.g. the murderer had suffered abuse from the victim in the past). Hence labeling a crime a hate crime borders on redundant.

The civil rights movement has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is very hard to change the way people think but we can change what they can or cannot do. Hate crime penalties attempt in vain to control thought. We’re better off simply controlling actions.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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598 thoughts on “The Trayvon Martin Case — Three Related Issues

  1. Iowa is debating a stand your own ground law now. I asked our representative how the present law would handle my experience years ago.

    My brother in law were accosted by a group of hostile young men as we walked down a street. They surrounded and berated us. I am mouthy, and while my brother in law’s complexion turned whiter, I verbally retaliated. I called them names. I was no different from when I posted on another forum.

    This continued for a few minutes, and then they left us. I asked if under Iowa’s current law if we could have pressed charges because we are no obligated to run away and not defend ourselves. The young men could have beat us up and rightly said I was provoking them, because we didn’t run away.

    The rep couldn’t answer me because he is not a lawyer and replied we need a stand your own ground law.If we had been armed, and if we had exchanged gun fire, we would not have hated each other. My brother in law and I would have been terrified. Our protagonists wouldn’t have hated us. They were bullies looking for a thrill.

    Another example happened in Omaha. Armed thieves attempted to rob a store. One man hit a woman with his pistol. A clerk grabbed a pistol hidden under a counter and fired. A gun battle resulted as the bad guys retreated. One clerk died. The armed clerk chased the robbers out side and wounded one of the fleeing men.

    The incident went to court, and the clerk was aquitted.

    There was no hatred, only fear and brief anger. You made some good points, but to say most self-defense killings are the result of hatred is crossing a line into fantasy land.

    Here is an example of hatred. A piece of effluvia mocked our flood last summer. So far, the land is dead without even weeds growing. Yesterday, it was 84 with a south wind between 45 and 50 MPH yesterday Today the gusty wind has shifted to the west. It looks like the dust bowl with dense clouds of sand and silt blowing north when the wind shifts to the south and south in a north wind.

    I still hate that woman and several others, but I would never kill them.I would make them stand in our sandy farm if I could.

  2. I strangled a man in the Air Force. I thought I had killed him. There was no hatred–only a desire to survive.

  3. It seems like the Duke Lacrosse fiasco was just yesterday. R, I thought you might address the elephant in the room that you’ve been leaning against.

    You mention the law is “over broad.” In the legal context, the term “over broad” means that the scope of the law can be interpreted to include lawful conduct (in addition to the conduct proscribed) thereby invalidating the law.

    In this instance, it seems that the scope of the law as drafted deliberately includes the conduct you take issue with (i.e. you disagree with the intended scope of a “portion) of the law.

    So, using your definition of “over broad,” what parts do you take issue with? And why does it have anything to do with Zimmerman since that’s the vehicle for your challenge to it? I see that if the roles were reversed and Martin was the one that used deadly force you might be in favor of the law since he was black and under siege in America.
    If you don’t like any aspect of the law, why don’t you address the scope of the prior law specifically and explain why it’s preferable? Why was the law changed? Were there instances that gave rise to a change in the doctrine? I guess I’m saying you haven’t said much. Remember, the law is applied in all instances, not the just the ones that arouse your passions, so if it’s wrong it’s always wrong.

    R, you statement that “there is also the problem of police being given the right to grant immunity from prosecution” makes no sense whatsoever. The police don’t grant “immunity” to someone that hasn’t broken the law. Moreover, the prosecutor decides who’s prosecuted, not the police.

    I understand your attempt to claim that the law was created to enable the police to “calls ’em likes the sees ’em” (so that murder convictions could be selectively applied) but you’re mistaken on how this works. You yourself could swear a warrant if you wanted and present the prosecutor can present the case to the grand jury (that in turn can issue an indictment and arrest warrant).

    I understand the grand jury will be handed the Zimmerman case. I’ll wager they don’t indict. So you’ll be back to the system broken by racism based on “your view” of the case rather than the ones that are presented with the evidence.

  4. Gorilla, that was a perfect description of your comment. If the best you can do is one word, meaningless basically, save yourself the trouble and move on.

    You haven’t blogged much recently. Cat got your tongue? Writer’s block?

  5. but to say most self-defense killings are the result of hatred is crossing a line into fantasy land.

    Maybe I need to read my own piece again. I don’t believe I said that. Please quote me where you think I said that so I can clear up any misunderstanding.

  6. I strangled a man in the Air Force. I thought I had killed him. There was no hatred–only a desire to survive.

    James, did you like the guy while you were strangling him? I doubt it.

    My point was that hate crime designation is wrong-headed because you CAN’T control what people think AND in many cases the crime is already accompanied by negative feelings toward the victim. You can call it hate, dislike, or whatever you like. It ain’t, in the words of Elvis Costello, “peace, love and understanding.”

    Let’s take the George Zimmerman case and assume for the sake of this argument that he is a racist (Tigre, stop hyperventilating, I’m making the assumption to prove a point). I doubt George actively walks around hating black people. He has a prejudice against them. If he kills a black guy, why do we label it a “hate” crime? He simply kills someone he has a prejudice against. Clearly he doesn’t LIKE the victim. He doesn’t necessarily HATE him either.

    What I’m trying to say is many if not most murders involve some degree of disdain for the victim at the moment of the crime. So why the special designation? It’s redundant.

  7. “But in most cases, particularly at the moment of the act, a murderer either dislikes or hates the victim. So in many cases, murder by definition is a hate crime. The reason WHY the murderer hates his victim is irrelevant except perhaps in some sort of defense (e.g. the murderer had suffered abuse from the victim in the past) Hence labeling a crime a hate crime borders on redundant.”

    Perhaps I am over generalizing from my own experiences and those of others. I felt no hatred. I was afraid, and I was exuberant that I would live and he would die. I did it with my own hands without the aid of a weapon. Feeling the man’s muscles relax was one of the greatest things I had ever experienced. I believe many cases of self defense are almost reflexive without hatred.

    If a murder was at least in part, premeditated because of prior abuse, etc. then, I can understand hatred as a motivator.

  8. “What I’m trying to say is many if not most murders involve some degree of disdain for the victim at the moment of the crime. So why the special designation? It’s redundant.”

    Not when it’s a black committing the so-called “hate crime.” It’s not applied at all.

    p.s. I thought you said LIFE taught that Zimmerman was racist. Were you referring to the cereal or the board game?

  9. And why does it have anything to do with Zimmerman since that’s the vehicle for your challenge to it?

    Good point and I claim sleep deprivation for the sloppiness. I should have been specific as to why the SYG law has any relation to the Martin case.

    I cannot prove it but I believe in the absence of the SYG law, the police would have been more likely to take Z into custody. I believe the SYG law puts more burden on the cop to discern innocence or guilt. If the general rule was that anyone who shoots an unarmed man should at least be taken into custody for serious interrogation, I’d have no problem. But SYG puts the burden on the cop to decide if the shooter had a reasonable perception of imminent danger, even when the victim had no weapon.

    I guess I’m saying you haven’t said much.

    No, I plead guilty to not having researched it deeply enough. The questions you ask are all valid. I wanted to cover a lot in this post and perhaps I should have limited it to just SYG and taken a deep dive.

    I also accept your immunity correction. Bottom line is the shooter is granted immunity from prosecution and the first step in granting this immunity is the cop choosing not to make an arrest.

  10. “I believe many cases of self defense are almost reflexive without hatred.”

    Also with many police shootings. The regret described of Zimmerman (as presumably proof of a guilty conscience), is one suffered by many police officers, particularly when they have to take out someone that’s crazy (and might not appreciate the nature of their acts). I’ve got a story of such an incident witnessed by a friend, but I’ll save it. It involved a cop that had to shoot a knife wielding maniac that had taken a hostage — and the cope was near suicidal days after the shooting.

    The tunnel vision that takes over when it’s fight or flight I’ve heard is remarkable. I recently watched a lengthy interview of Bernhard Goetz. Listening to him recount the subway shooting was fascinating. He talked about how he got in his car and just drove for hours north (to Vermont) trying to sort what had actually occurred in his head. He could remember the number of shot or who was struck even immediately afterwards.

  11. James, thanks for pointing out the quote that confused you.

    “except perhaps in some sort of defense ” should have read “except perhaps in some sort of LEGAL defense “.

    I wasn’t referring to self defense. I was referring to the legal defense that the defendant would use in a trial. I’ll edit the post to clarify this. Thanks.

  12. “If the general rule was that anyone who shoots an unarmed man should at least be taken into custody for serious interrogation, I’d have no problem. But SYG puts the burden on the cop to decide if the shooter had a reasonable perception of imminent danger, even when the victim had no weapon.”

    Fair enough. But I did see a reference to multiple interviews of Zimmerman by the police. Arrest is something different than investigation. You demand arrest, so I think it’s your onus to say why the law doesn’t apply. You can’t have it both ways.

    As to the perception of imminent [that of grave bodily injury or death], that was the standard before enactment of the SYG law. And the burden rested with law enforcement as well. SYG in effect removes the requirement by creating an unrebuttable presumption that certain acts create the reasonable apprehension of imminent harm like the castle doctrine you cite. This is why I asked what portions of SYG are objectionable to you as opposed to the prior law. The defense of others property section has no application. I think though that if you deem it improper you might want to know why it’s in the law to begin with. You’ll probably find instances where a result or situation existed that that portion was intended to remedy (rightly or wrongly).

  13. I didn’t like or dislike the man. I feared him almost as much as I feared what I would have thought of myself at fifty if I didn’t make the choices I did.

    It was complicated. My officers put me in harms way to get ride of some bad guys I had turned in. They tried to kill me three times that I know of.I woke with a knife at my throat, and they told me if I didn’t recant my testimony they would kill me. One night, they held me down and twisted my wrist in ways it wasn’t supposed to turn. It made me a slightly disabled veteran.

    The group had a well-advertised countdown. The squadron even had a secret office pool over whether or not I would be killed or hospitalized and when.

    I was being watched but I didn’t know that.

    At the end of four months, I didn’t care if I lived or died. I just wanted it over. Admittedly the final outcome gave me grim satisfaction, but at the time, I was only terrified and tried my best to hide it.

    The anger and hatred came a year later. I did crazy things like shake my fist in a majors’ face and refuse to cut my hair. I knew higher ups felt guilty, because nothing happened to me. When my hair was too long, they hid me in the X-ray room until the general left. When I left the base for the United States and civilian life, I purposely wore my service ribbons backward. Our commander said good bye and an air man told me my ribbons were misplaced. The commander laughed and said “as if he cares.”

    Two days later, I was home. My brother was on leave before his second tour in Vietnam. He showed off for his girl friend and challenged me to a kneeling contest. He was a foot taller than I. I dug my boney little fingers into his and slammed him to the floor. For a moment, he was no longer my brother. He was someone I needed to kill.

    There was no hatred or dislike. It was nothing personal. My feeling is hard to describe–more like nothingness..

  14. R, you might be interested to look into the “heat of passion” defense as well. I believe it has been statutorily removed in many jurisdictions, and its foundations were later deemed sexist because it applied only to men and not women, but it rested on similar notions of justified homicide.

    I also will look for an opportunity to point why the “subjective” versus “objective” part of our discussion from the prior thread is not as simple or insignificant as your “no shit Sherlock” comment suggests you think it is.

  15. I thought you said LIFE taught that Zimmerman was racist. Were you referring to the cereal or the board game?

    Either you misunderstood, you’re being coy, or intellectually lazy. I SAID LIFE teaches that if the shooter had been black, he would have been arrested. I never said LIFE proves Z was racist. In fact, I’ve never said there is definitive evidence that Z is racist.

    You have more than enough amusement arguing with what I do say. You don’t need to argue with what I don’t say.

  16. Not when it’s a black committing the so-called “hate crime.” It’s not applied at all.

    You’re absolutely right. I didn’t address that specific in the post but you are correct that “hate crimes” designations are applied with a political agenda attached.

  17. “I SAID LIFE teaches that if the shooter had been black, he would have been arrested. I never said LIFE proves Z was racist. In fact, I’ve never said there is definitive evidence that Z is racist.”

    Not my “life.” And I don’t believe your “life” proves diddly-squat. I think it’s an excuse for you to argue racism without proof.

    But yes, I was being coy.

  18. Tigre, I’ve seen Bernie interviewed also and the trouble is he still delights in his feat.

    Of course, the temptation to compare Z to Goetz should be avoided since Goetz was being harassed by the thugs and truly thought he might be mugged. It could be argued his reaction was over the top. I believe he shot one kid twice when once would do.

    But I kinda doubt Bernie was ever near suicide over what he did.

  19. R, in referencing Goetz, I wasn’t comparing him to Zimmerman. We know what happened with Goetz. None of us really knows what happened with Zimmerman.

    I was referring to James’ comments.

    Goetz was arrested and acquited by the way.

  20. Goetz of course was accused of provoking the thugs. Looking for trouble. I think Goetz was acquitted as a result o jury nullification, not the merits of the defense (from what I understand). Zimmerman is a mystery.

  21. So the negative comments about Martin are now a manufactured “smear?” What the hell do you think the reaction might be when the media spends its time trying to portray him in a false light in order to smear Zimmerman?

    This whole thing stinks and wrought it.

  22. El Tigre, I think my reaction was “organic.” I was trained as a medic, not as a fighter. I lived four months in the Twilight Zone.

    A Vet Center counselor told me years later, that what I experienced was equivalent to light combat without the benefit of a “band of brothers.”

    When the lone man lept from behind a door, he was probably just trying to scare me. Similar surprises had happened many times before, but this time, he grabbed me.

    Maybe I channeled an old Ice Age ancestor.

  23. And I don’t believe your “life” proves diddly-squat.

    I don’t think my life is a good measuring stick. My parents through hard work and some luck kept me out of harm’s way. I never lived in a neighborhood where I was presumed guilty before innocent. Besides, being light enough to pass for white, I can’t be easily profiled anyway. Add on top of that the mistaken notion of the inherent “goodness” of the disabled and my life story is a very bad one to use if you want to measure the difficulty of being a black man in America.

  24. James, it sounds like you’ve been to hell and back. I can’t begin to imagine what you went through. All I can say is bravo that you’re here to tell the tale and you survived it.

  25. Tigre, this is what I said to my wife last night in semi-disgust:

    “I waited three or four days to write this post just to make sure Trayvon didn’t turn out to be some thug ‘cos the whole thing at first smelled real fishy to me.Trayvon sounded too good to be true. Now I don’t know what to think.”

    If I were going on Sharpton alone, I’d deserve the kick in the ass that you’re constantly handing out. But I watched supposedly objective broadcasts that would jump on any “problems” with Trayvon and nothing appeared.

    Trayvon’s Twitter feed was easy to access. Why didn’t anybody surface it immediately?

    The whole thing is turning into a fiasco. Thank goodness for the Supreme Court. Maybe the ACA case will push Trayvon lower in the news pile for at least this week.

    Still, as this article attempts to describe, the Martin case sheds light on several tangential issues that are worth discussing.

  26. “Still, as this article attempts to describe, the Martin case sheds light on several tangential issues that are worth discussing.”

    No it doesn’t. The issue that’s worth discussing is the one you and liberal agitators won’t engage.

    (Hint: it requires some self examination — so that’s out).

    I asked whether the change in tone was the result of some kind of epiphany last night You answered, but when I turned on MSNBC this morning and it wasn’t be discussed I knew the agitator’s wet dream had come to an end.

    When MSNBC starts approaching a topic invoking race with caution rather than blame, that’s a sure sign there’s problems with the narrative.

  27. Hey R –

    I lifted this from an article in the LA Times:

    “Tensions ratcheted up over the weekend when a group identifying itself as the New Black Panther Party “called for the mobilization of 10,000 black men to capture Zimmerman” and offered the bounty.”

    That was reported without comment. What do you think the reaction would be if you changed the words “black” to “white” and “Zimmerman” to “Tyrone Mo-Jive X Jones?” Think there would be a national firestorm?

    You know, this crap reminds me of the Koran-burning stuff. One side has to play Mr. Step’n Fetchit so that they don’t outrage the other’s delicate sensibilities, while the other side can go tribal anytime it damned well pleases.

  28. re: Goetz –

    I remember this case well. These “young men” were “on (their) way to a friend’s house, carrying sharpened screwdrivers to ‘help him fix his window.” I have every tool known to man and I do not have a single sharpened screwdriver.

    Mike Royko is my favorite commentator of all time. Having been mugged several times, here was his take on the matter:

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=943&dat=19850124&id=kbpPAAAAIBAJ&sjid=gVMDAAAAIBAJ&pg=3267,1849478

    I especially like that part about the extra navel. You go, boy.

  29. Thank you Rutherford. I’ve known people who endured much worse. I didn’t intend to clutter this site with my stories, but I view some of these issues through personal experience.

    I agree if MSNBC is becoming more cautious as El Tigre wrote, they may realize their narrative is on thin ice.Time will tell.

  30. Pretty bad store video Tigre. All I could see was kids running in and running out. I didn’t see the “ransacking”. In a store full of products, $150.00 isn’t much. Maybe that’s why the video didn’t show what was purported.

    Frankly when I read ‘ransacked” I expected to see shelves knocked over, kids stuffing lots of stuff into backpacks, etc. I didn’t see any of that. Just a lot of running around.

  31. This from the article posted by Pfesser:

    “He went to a doctor the next day to be treated for a broken nose.” Huh? Who goes to sleep with a broken nose and waits to get help from a doctor the next day? Why didn’t the cops seeing him bleeding from the nose and back of the head call an ambulance to ensure he hadn’t been seriously injured? A bloody head could easily signal a possible concussion.

    Sorry, the story just doesn’t make any sense. If it’s true, the cops are doubly negligent in not making sure Z got medical attention for his injuries.

  32. LOL … I know it isn’t funny and yet I find Spike retweeting the wrong address hilarious in a black humor sort of way (pardon the pun).

    Tigre, seriously, when you think of the word “ransacking” did the video live up to your expectation?

  33. “Tigre, seriously, when you think of the word “ransacking” did the video live up to your expectation?”

    Looked like ransacking to me, by you’re Whit Black so maybe we just have different expectations. I guess I am but an amateur so I defer.

    FWIW, I broke my nose in a fight once and didn’t get it looked at until the next day. I can see the adrenaline making the thought of going to the doctor one that might make me refuse treatment the time too.

    The dirt being dug up was demanded by the accusation R. Why does this surprise you in the least?

  34. I lived in England for two years. The British have fallen prey to the same sort of bias which afflicts our media. However, they still have reporters worthy of the name who look for the truth.

    Like much of the world, they are more interested in us than we are in them. For example, the London Times described how Hillary threw lamps and crockery at Bill, and they told us that Chelsea called her father a rapist. Our reporters try not to report on what they don’t want to know.

    The Brits are doing the work our news sellers don’t want to do.

  35. I bet the person living at the wrong address that vile Spike Lee tweeted wants to borrow Zimmerman’s gun. Talk about sleeping with one eye open. If I had kids, I’d get out of dodge.

  36. I guess we should condemn Rick Santorum too, just like Obama based on his take on the shooting:

    Well, you know, obviously, I’m not privy to what’s going on in someone’s mind. Obviously, in my opinion, someone … has a very sick mind who would pursue someone like this. This is clearly a heinous act. You know, there are a lot of people who have a lot of distorted views of reality. It’s a tragic, tragic case.

  37. Pick a country and I’ll bet you will find more information about the United States than you know.

    “Race and Religion. The 2012 Elections are Becoming a Toxic Brew of Fear. US Politics Today”

    ” Racial bigotry and religious intolerance are mixing with those displaced by the Great Recession, by long term job and income losses from globalization, by militants on the front line of the immigrant wars, and by the ever-present conspiracy believers, anarchists and others who live on the political fringe. ”

    “For many Americans, the US government has replaced the Soviet Union as America’s most dangerous enemy.”

    Headlines include “Supreme Court V Obama” and “Health Care Law-Lastest News.” (their misspelling).

    This is from Ukrainian News World News Report. I picked Ukraine because I am a fan of Vika, a better role model than her American counterparts, Lady GaGa and Katy Perry.

    If you search other countries’ news stories you will probably find information as or more accurate than what our reporters are telling us. Britain is not unique.

  38. To this minute I cannot believe Spike Lee behaved like such an ass.

    On another note, I see how all of you have studiously avoided commenting on ALEC. I guess when a conservative group conspires to enact legislation with no involvement from the electorate it’s ok.

    Nothing to see here. 😐

  39. I’ve had my nose broken and saw a doctor 5 years later for it.

    The tip of my nose broke completely off and was pointing to the side. Had to get a nose job.

    Lesson learned: don’t sucker punch a northern california logger.

  40. I for one agree with much, but not all of ALEC’s agenda. I think liberal groups do the same thing, but I could be wrong. Therefore, it doesn’t bother me much.

    I can be as hyprocritical as a liberal when it serves my purpose.

  41. Okay, I’ve listened to the 911 calls and read the police reports, so I’m ready to make a judgment.

    As an armchair general and desk jockey for the past few years (with the arm callouses to prove it), I can easily call this one.

    Trayvon was stoned and feeling froggy. Zimmerman, the self-appointed law of the neighborhood, was following him trying to intimidate him to moving on when Tray got the upper hand and wrestled Zim to the ground, pounding his head in the grass. Zim was screaming for help and was struggling to get away then finally shot Tray to stop the beating in what at that point WAS self-defense.

    Now, let’s see how it turns out after the mass media campaign and big bucks gets spent over it.

    Quite the national distraction…

  42. How will riots (whipped-up race war) be avoided now?

    As I said, the race hustlers and liberal media is too invested.

    This is now about race — our “reformed Sharpton” among those leading the charge.

    Duke Lacrosse. Tawana Brawley, . O.J. . . . the hits keep coming.

    Well, it’s been about 2 decades since we had really good race riots. 🙄

  43. Hey. Hold on Poolman. I just watched about 5 minutes of the Ed show on MSNBC. Turns out the “right wing smear machine” is behind this. He and Eugene Robinson have seen all that needs to be seen.

  44. Those who benefit to make it about race will. It doesn’t matter that Zim said “fucking coons” under his breath. It was said more out of frustration of having to deal with it than from a racial hate perspective.

  45. Well, we went through the religion diversion, now we have the racial diversion. The media is a tool anymore and THIS is the narrative they have been given to “discuss” among themselves.

    Meanwhile they’e stealing our freedom and advancing the empire.

    Nothing to see here… move along.

  46. If this is true, life will get interesting as the ediface collapses. They will behave like cornered rats.

    Some liberal commentators are worried that the compulsory insurance section of the law may be found unconstitutional. Even Sotomayor may have her doubts about it. Combine the potential collapse of the shooting scenario with a mortal wound to Obamacare, and we will have true believers on both sides ready to fight. Even if the section is declared constitutional, it could be bad. I hope I am wrong about a revisit to the sixties.

  47. Tigre, if we do have race riots, it is long overdue to for whitey to cut loose and start terminating with extreme prejudice. 😈 I hope somebody starts with that sorry, little fuck Spike Lee. What an utter and complete POS.

    ————–

    Rutherford, it’s been awhile. I knew some banger being blasted by a “White” Hispanic ❓ would bring out the worst, and my curiosity was killing me. I see you haven’t changed a bit. Gabby all over again… 😆

    Three questions:

    (1) Are you cool with Trayvon’s “lovely” momma trademarking his name? Sounds like a real grieving mother, cashing in a little – wonder what Je$$e Jack$on’s take was? 😀

    (2) Do you find anything unseemly about Rev. Tawana Brawley of Crown Height’s riot fame stoking race riots once again while on your favorite network?

    (3) Do you still think this Trayvon was a choir boy with a Twitter handle NO_LIMIT_NIGGA? Was it the gold tooth that tipped you off to Trayvon’s angelic nature?

  48. The above link is exactly why neighborhoods are missing guys like my Grandpa. He would have given his life to protect those people. He’d be on watch right now, locked and loaded.

    The above story is exactly how this stuff goes down. There could be hundreds of stories like this thanks to Rutherford and his MSNBC buddies.

    If this shit doesn’t go a bye bye quick…..and I’m talking about one of the heavy hitting race baiters coming clean in public, something akin to a declaration that this is not the story Rutherford and his friends tried to make it….its going to be a hot summer.

  49. Gorilla, that was a perfect description of your comment. If the best you can do is one word, meaningless basically, save yourself the trouble and move on.

    You haven’t blogged much recently. Cat got your tongue? Writer’s block?” – R

    R, I worked 37.5 hours this weekend. I’ll work 50+ hours this week and then I’ll work roughly 40 hours next weekend. I’ve been busy.

    You barely touch my comments. Your last thread I made several points you conveniently ignored, which is frankly par for the course with you. I asked you how this thing gets turned off, and you completely ignored the question. I pointed out how this thing has been completely politicized by the left, you agree and then trot this dribble with some asinine bit about the Koch brothers. Do you really think any of your issue can stand some sunshine with regards to Soros? Is that even the point here?

    I gave you one word because you haven’t bothered to give me even that. Why should I bother?

  50. I don’t see a check to federal power if Obamacare passes. God help us.

    Slaves, forced to buy things off corporate America with fiat that gets debased more every year.

    Fuck that.

    Give me liberty or give me gout with no medical insurance!

  51. “Solicitor General Donald B. Verrilli Jr. should be grateful to the Supreme Court for refusing to allow cameras in the courtroom, because his defense of Obamacare on Tuesday may go down as one of the most spectacular flameouts in the history of the court.” Ouch. ~ Mother Jones

    😆 Frickin’ libs on trial. Helpless bastards. Gawd, Scalia and Roberts ate this poor sap’s lunch.

    But surprisingly, and I’m probably alone on this, I kind of actually hope it’s a 5-4 vote for Obamacare. People will be so outraged and enraged, Obama will get slaughtered in November. That’s the most important vote.

    And then Romney can repeal this abomination in its entirety with a Republican Congress.

    Wait until reformulated gas goes to $6.00 this summer. Things are breaking against the Bongo, from gas prices to being picked up on mic posturing against America’s allies. It’s a beautiful thing.

  52. Like I said yesterday, Obamacare is a lose-lose for Obama.

    If it gets overturned, he looks like an idiot.

    If it passes, it mobilizes the right and independents like it did in 2010 and he and the Dems get crushed in November.

  53. R, what am I supposed to take away from ALEC? I don’t get your allusions t impropriety. The propose draft legislation. They tout their success. What do you think other lobbyists do?

    Is ALEC responsible for Martin’s death now too? That’s what the link eludes to.

    It says a lot about the castle doctrine. I thought you were in favor of the castle doctrine. Is that evil now too?

  54. I also don’t see a check to Obama’s power if Obamacare passes or he wins the next election. I am also fit.

    Sister Toldjah has a post, “FAIL: Democratic?MSM narratives fall apart in tragic #TrayvonMartin case.”

    Mediamatters has apollogized to Drudge for accusing him of racism and posting the wrong picture. Michele Malkin has appologised for showing the wrong picture.

    This is not the time for emotions. “The wheel’s still in spin.”

  55. Does the New York Times refer to Barack Obama as a “White African-American?” Rutherford, can you see the obvious and blatant disregard of the Left to get to the truth.

    Damn Rutherford, I have missed asking you questions of which you have no defense.

    But get me past the moderation so I can occasionally drop in. It’s too much fun to read the Rabbit and El Tigre’s beautiful responses.

  56. The Fed is/has been bailing out the Euro with our “money” and we are worried whether one murder had racist overtones? Get real. Everyone’s getting tribal while we add huge debt burdens to our children.

    If the local police cannot do their job, fix it locally. Now the feds are involved. La-di-frikkin-dah. You think this is real news? Look how many are capitalizing on this. It’s a circus. Just keep your eye on all the clowns.

  57. Trayvon was stoned and feeling froggy.

    Poolman your “conclusion” seems close to plausible to me but I don’t see the need to characterize Trayvon as stoned at the time of the incident.

    If I meld the two competing stories I get Z following Martin contrary to the order of the 911 operator. Martin responds by getting in Z’s face and eventually punching him out. Z realizes he got more than he bargained for and shoots Martin.

    I’m shocked to see a parallel here to the other “incident” that Obama weighed in on … the Cambridge cop drama. In that case, two idiots tried to prove who had the bigger dick and the less powerful of the two lost (i.e. Gates). In this Florida case, we have a bad-boy-wannabe and a cop wannabe (i.e. two idiots) in a confrontation and the less powerful of the two lost … his life.

  58. It was said more out of frustration of having to deal with it than from a racial hate perspective.

    Sorry Poolman I don’t buy it. If he did indeed say “coons” and I’m not at all sure he did, it showed racial bias. There are any number of other epithets he could have used. In fact, he DID use another in the same call when he said “these assh*les always get away.”

  59. I did not say he was not racially biased, Rutherford. He definitely categorized Tray. He was told not to pursue. He did. And Tray was intimidating him, like he said he saw him and was coming after him.

    Oh come on. Skittles and an Arizona Tea, walking around in the rain? He had a buzz going. I just calls them how I see them. You can wait for the movie if you wish. I’m ready to move on. There’s plenty of folks getting paid to keep their eyes on this now.

  60. (1) Are you cool with Trayvon’s “lovely” momma trademarking his name? Sounds like a real grieving mother, cashing in a little – wonder what Je$$e Jack$on’s take was? 😀

    (2) Do you find anything unseemly about Rev. Tawana Brawley of Crown Height’s riot fame stoking race riots once again while on your favorite network?

    (3) Do you still think this Trayvon was a choir boy with a Twitter handle NO_LIMIT_NIGGA? Was it the gold tooth that tipped you off to Trayvon’s angelic nature?

    I’ve covered this ground in the last two comment threads but I’ll give you some quick answers.

    1) Supposedly Trayvon’s mother is giving all proceeds to charities that help families who have lost children to violence. If true, her timing sucks. If false, she is an embarrassment.

    2) I don’t see Sharpton stoking race riots. He is doing what he always does. He is fighting for someone he believes was mistakenly and unfairly killed. It IS interesting that he now has a forum on television that he did not have before.

    3) As I’ve mentioned here a few times, I held off on any blogging on the Martin case waiting to find out if Trayvon was a thug. My gut told me when this first broke that something was fishy, primarily because first reports portrayed Martin as younger than he was using phrases like “a boy with Skittles”. When I found out he was 17, I held back on blogging to see what else might surface. After a two or three days, when the story persisted that he was a clean cut kid, I pulled my trigger.

    I’m not willing to say Trayvon was criminal any more than I am willing to say Zimmerman was racist (something I have NOT said, despite comments to the contrary from the denizens here). From what has emerged, Trayvon appears to be a young man emulating dumbass gangsta “role models”. The more I hear the more I think this is a case of two posers meeting with tragic consequences.

  61. Slaves, forced to buy things off corporate America with fiat that gets debased more every year.

    Are you aware that only about 4 to 5% of Americans will actually be “compelled” to buy insurance under this mandate? As a teacher with health insurance, Rabbit, you won’t be touched.

  62. Lots of folks are saying this is a lose-lose for Obama. I don’t see it that way. If the mandate gets overturned, the GOP loses one of their biggest weapons against Obama in November. ACA is currently their most potent talking point. The economy is slowly getting better. Our foreign affairs are a mixed bag and not a slam dunk negative against Obama. The GOP NEEDS ACA to exist in order to attack it.

  63. And then Romney can repeal this abomination that he constructed and that was endorsed by conservatives in its entirety with a Republican Congress.

    I fixed it for you.

  64. R, you do realize that the CBO is predicting that 20 million will lose their employer based health coverage as a result of Obamacare, right?

  65. Tigre, ALEC is yet another example of We the People being bypassed as special interests install legislation that suits their ends.

    There is a difference between legislating stand your ground for the good of the citizenry vs legislating stand your ground to fulfill NRA’s agenda of a gun for everybody.

  66. Does the New York Times refer to Barack Obama as a “White African-American?”

    Zimmerman being Hispanic definitely gets in the way of the “narrative” somewhat. It really shouldn’t. If a fight over racism is desired, Hispanics are just as capable of being racists as anyone else.

    BTW, off topic but it’s funny how the pictures shown in the media drive the story. Trayvon’s pictures have been mostly from when he was younger. Zs photo looks like a mug shot. Until today … I finally saw a pic of Z smiling and he’s not a bad looking dude.

    Of course, Z is not squeaky clean either. Assaulted a cop, domestic violence, etc etc. When all is said and done, sadly it may turn out that Trayvon and Z deserved each other. 😦

  67. No G, I wasn’t aware of that but I also don’t see why that would happen. The ACA is a wet dream for insurance companies. Why would employers drop coverage?

  68. I’m certain Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman never envisioned their “fifteen minutes of fame” being what it is. 😐

    ~~~~~~~~~~

    As for this health care mandate…

    Employers pay the bulk of the cost of insurance premiums and will bear the highest cost increases to cover all workers. Companies may have to let workers go if the cost to insure them plus their pay outweighs the benefit that employee provides. Some companies that are barely hanging on will suffer the most. The economy is too stretched to make employers absorb the cost, especially small to medium businesses that haven’t gone global.

    Insurance companies don’t lose as their rates are based on cost plus 20 percent. Just because they cannot deny coverage does not mean they bite the bullet. Higher risk means higher premiums. Insuring a larger pool ensures them of more profits.

    This health care is benefitting them and pharma more than the people of this nation.

  69. If a fight over racism is desired, Hispanics are just as capable of being racists as anyone else,except for blacks of course, who are not ever capable of being racist.

    Fixed it for you R…

  70. Poolman –

    If Trayvon “had a buzz on” he wouldn’t have been fighting. I have never seen anyone stoned on pot ever in a fight. Ever.

  71. I don’t see Sharpton stoking race riots like he did in Crown Heights, leading to the death of a few innocent Jews. He is doing what he always does. He is fighting for someone he believes was mistakenly and unfairly killed. It IS interesting that he now has a forum on television that he did not have before.

    FIFY.

    So you won’t have a problem with say someone of David Duke’s reputation if he happens to appear on TV calling for “justice” for this elderly couple then where there is no question of what happened?

    http://www.tulsaworld.com/specialprojects/news/crimewatch/article.aspx?subjectid=450&articleid=20120315_450_0_Police465070

    P.S. – this black punk also raped the 85 year old woman before beating her to death, then continually shot the 90 year old disabled man with a BB gun in the face before leaving him for dead. But I didn’t see Al $harpton or Je$$e Jack$son coming to town and crying for justice on this one. Must have skipped the news that day. 😡

  72. Hi Tex. I’m glad to “see” you again. You know the answer to your question. Those people are a disease infecting our society. They are our enemies, and this battle will continue until one side destroys the other.

    Right now, we are watching liberal racists feeding on white guilt. They do it because it works thanks to propagandists posing as our press. The Duke LaCross team is just one example. They get away with it because after a few recriminations, people forget, in part because our press lets them. Maybe this time they will over reach and arouse such disgust that they are discredited for longer than a few months. One can hope.

    If the individual mandate passes the Constitutional test, the lives we know will end. It won’t happen right away. Give it ten or twenty years. Obama said so.

    Michael Samuelson wrote as Poolman did. Obamacare will not save the government money, nor will it benefit most insurance customers. Now, we learn that some favored people will be immune to the individual mandate.

    I believe our government set the date for our financial collapse at around 2027. If it happens, I hope the people who supported this train wreck suffer and suffer badly. I plan to live long enough to watch.

  73. Good to see you again, James. Hope the homestead has recovered and all is well.

    I’m only staying long enough to berate my favorite lib, Rutherford – perhaps the only Lib I know with a sense of humor, even if he is certified mentally ill.

    But if we are going to have “hate” crimes, perhaps the most moronic law of them all (is their a premeditated murder that isn’t based on hate?), then it needs to apply to this vicious, black bastard I linked to with the Brillo mop for hair, who brutalized the elderly white couple and raped an 85 year old woman before beating her to death.

  74. R, I watched Morning Joe. Not a single peep even though your window on the world has one of their own (Sharpton) whipping up the racial tensions.

    I guess Obama told them to run away from it.

    I assume you’ll be following suit.

    I’d get the hell away from it if I were you too.

    Thanks for your hand in it.

  75. All is pretty good, Tex. Thanks for asking. I’ve thought about you from time to time. I hope life is treating you well. We still can’t find all of the stuff we moved to other people’s houses or upstairs. I did find my old pair of skis yesterday. One neighbor who lost his house had a problem filing his income tax returns because he couldn’t find many of his financial records. He and his tax preparer guessed.

    Some fields look like deserts with up to eight foot sand dunes. Farmers have worked all winter to remove sand.

    Only about a half inch of sand and silt settled on our previously flooded land so our fields are fine. They do look like the ’30’s dust bowl as gusty wind blows the sand north and then south when it changes direction. Road ditches are filled with dirt drifts.

    Many trees have died, and others probably will later.

    If I could, I would put NOP in our field on a windy day and let her eat sand with her “hangnail” words.

    Yes, a hate crime should apply to that murderer, but don’t hold your breath. According the the left’s reality, a man who is half- white becomes all black if he is a Democratic president. A Hispanic is non-white if he/she is an illegal or Democrats need election votes and a quota. A Hispanic is white if he/she kills a black. A 6’2″ black is a child if a white attacks him. Blacks can’t be racists because they are down- trodden.

    However, the most dangerous person to a young black man is another black man. That is the reality liberals want us to forget.

  76. “ALEC is yet another example of We the People being bypassed as special interests install legislation that suits their ends.”

    How are you being “bypassed?” These are your elected official enacting the legislation.

    And I hate to tell you, the NRA’s desire that everyone own a gun is does not mean it’s “against the citizenry.”

    Now I asked you a number of question in the prior post and the outset of this post (see e.g. No. 4). If your going to mouth your mantra about SYG over and over, try your hand at them. Your beloved Eugene Robinson (who refuses to clear his throat :lol:) said that many of the changes were designed to remedy problems relating to domestic violence situations and protect women. I don’t know that to be true, but if it is, “why do you hate battered women and want them to suffer?” 🙄

  77. Employers pay the bulk of the cost of insurance premiums and will bear the highest cost increases to cover all workers.

    Ok clearly I’m confused so help me with this. THE WHOLE POINT of the mandate is to ensure a participant pool large enough to pay for the new rules (e.g. no more pre-existing condition discrimination).

    So where are all these increases coming from? Without the mandate, costs would go sky high. With the mandate, I don’t understand what the problem is.

  78. except for blacks of course, who are not ever capable of being racist

    G, by now you should know my favorite semantic argument.

    Racism = prejudice + power.

    Therefore you are right. Blacks can be prejudiced but they can’t be racist. The power structure in this country is still white (and for the most part white male).

    Here’s an analogy for you. The ant says to the elephant: “All elephants are lower forms of animals, stupid, delinquent, dangerous and a blight on society.” The elephant answers by stepping on the ant. The ant’s prejudice is meaningless in terms of outcome.

    Caveat: blacks have much more power than they did in the 1950’s and earlier so my favorite semantic argument loses its power little by little with each passing decade.

  79. So Hispanics are empowered?

    Oh, is that why Zimmerman’s labeled “White Hispanic?” So double standards can be applied in your completely flawed analogy about ants and elephants?

    R your head is so far up you ass.

  80. So where are all these increases coming from? Without the mandate, costs would go sky high. With the mandate, I don’t understand what the problem is.

    Costs are going to rise, mandate or not, but I think moreso WITH it. Right now the complaint is that the uninsured DO get treatment from emergency rooms and that cost is much higher than if that person was going to a “regular” clinic for their care. That ER cost is also passed on to those that do pay and have coverage. Insurers are not paying it.

    With the mandate, all will have insurance and will be eligible for health care services.

    Insurance providers are guaranteed 20 percent over costs. If they are required to include ALL people in the “pool”, the costs for health care goes up because the formerly “uninsurable” are now part of the mix and will normally cost much more for their health care. The “bigger pool” theory only lowers cost if the average insured is as healthy or healthier than the smaller pool that already exists.

    Before the mandate these “high risks” were denied coverage because the cost of their health care would be too expensive for a provider to cover and profit from, no matter how large a premium they tried to impose.

    Most people have no idea what their insurance costs on a monthly basis as their employer pays the entire cost or subsidizes the bulk of it. Now, if the company is of a certain size (employee-wise), the law requires it to cover its employees.

    Make sense? I see this as a win/win for insurance providers.

  81. What are the odds R, that you reach into the last post and actually address the points I’ve made?

    Damn you can be such a whiner.

    84. R, the police are minutes away when you have seconds to react. Remember that.

    Doesn’t justify everybody having a gun. If the police can’t get the job done we are in very big trouble.

    95. Well, I suppose Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakan and Barack Obama will now apologize to Zimmerman. Tell me R, would this not be the SECOND time Obama has mouthed off half-cocked? Who’s acting”stupidly” now?

    I’ve already addressed this. We have conflicting stories with nothing proven yet. No apology is forthcoming.

    97.How do you turn this off if this media report is confirmed? How are the “black leaders” who have been stoking racial rage and general hate and discontent going to back this from the ledge?

    Some of the “leaders” are vehemently asking for justice. Justice, for the time being is having the matter taken seriously. The appointment of a special prosecutor helps greatly. As I’ve written before, over last week tensions in the community have actually been ratcheted down, not up, by protests bearing fruit. I am NOT convinced that if Z is tried and acquitted that riots will ensue. I have also denounced some of the “leaders”, namely Farrakhan and Spike Lee.

    98. Already answered

    189. Already answered

    196. I’ve spoken on Lee several times.

    328. I’ve already dealt with the possibility Tray is a gangsta wannabe.

    Just because you don’t read all my replies Gorilla doesn’t mean I’m not replying. 😐

  82. So you won’t have a problem with say someone of David Duke’s reputation if he happens to appear on TV calling for “justice” for this elderly couple then where there is no question of what happened?

    If David Duke has made efforts to repair his reputation (has he?) and he expresses righteous indignation over a savage assault, I’m right there with him.

    If he hasn’t repaired his reputation, I’d prefer someone else carry that torch … a torch which SHOULD be carried. (Sorry, no allusion to cross burning was intended.)

  83. Rutherford, you are still on this power + prejudice = racism crap?
    Whose the elephant and the ant concerning George Zimmerman?

    It doesn’t get much more powerful than President or Attorney General, does it?

    So back to my Brillo head punk who beat the white, elderly couple to death. Did he have power? Seems to me a choice between life and death would constitute the ultimate power, would it not? So is Brillo racist?

    One thing I am going to take from my debates with you, Rutherford. Since you can’t be racist and I can be racist solely based on my power granted by the color of my exterior; and since I’m going to be held to a different standard than you in treatment and justice of people; you’ll understand if I convince myself and my friends that when accused of racism, it will be okay to demonstrate clear prejudice too.

  84. ”For all you “riot watchers” … puhleeeze, I have to wonder if this is partially wishful thinking on your part.” –R

    I don’t buy this.

    ~

    Re#106 –

    Racism = racism

    What power are you talking about exactly, Rutherford? Who had the power in the scenario that Tex linked to? Who has the power in rape and sexual homicides? Are all those “racist” crimes? Do you mean institutional power? Does the power of the media factor in?

    ~

    Great to see you, Tex.

  85. If the individual mandate passes the Constitutional test, the lives we know will end.

    The melodrama continues.

    You want cognitive dissonance? “The government can’t make me buy insurance but they CAN shove an ultrasound wand up my sister’s vagina before she gets an abortion.”

    Gotta love it. Everybody’s got their favorite “mandate”.

    And you know what? It’s all about the money. Money trumps morality every time. I will clarify that statement either later in this thread or in a separate post. I haven’t decided yet.

  86. 84. R, the police are minutes away when you have seconds to react. Remember that.
    “Doesn’t justify everybody having a gun.”
    Yes it does.

    “If the police can’t get the job done we are in very big trouble.”

    Recognizing that the police can’t possibly always be there is just acknowledging the obvious. Of course the next step is the problem, isn’t it? Which is to say you may have to defend YOURSELF.

    95. Well, I suppose Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakan and Barack Obama will now apologize to Zimmerman. Tell me R, would this not be the SECOND time Obama has mouthed off half-cocked? Who’s acting”stupidly” now?
    “I’ve already addressed this. We have conflicting stories with nothing proven yet. No apology is forthcoming.”

    Not so. Of all people who should NOT be going off half-cocked, it’s the President. It just fuels the drumbeat of “Obama as racist.” Correctly, I might add.

    97.How do you turn this off if this media report is confirmed? How are the “black leaders” who have been stoking racial rage and general hate and discontent going to back this from the ledge?
    Some of the “leaders” are vehemently asking for justice. Justice, for the time being is having the matter taken seriously. The appointment of a special prosecutor helps greatly. As I’ve written before, over last week tensions in the community have actually been ratcheted down, not up, by protests bearing fruit. I am NOT convinced that if Z is tried and acquitted that riots will ensue. I have also denounced some of the “leaders”, namely Farrakhan and Spike Lee.

    What if we just let the people do their job, without trying – in perfect ignorance of the facts ourselves – to influence how they do it?

  87. R, I watched Morning Joe. Not a single peep even though your window on the world has one of their own (Sharpton) whipping up the racial tensions.

    I wouldn’t measure anything by that. Joe has spoken out quite strongly on how botched this case was handled (look at some of last week’s episodes). But clearly, Joe’s interests lie more with the SCOTUS arguments. Pure politics (not racial politics) is Joe’s wheelhouse so it’s no wonder Trayvon is taking a back seat.

  88. But if we are going to have “hate” crimes, perhaps the most moronic law of them all (is their a premeditated murder that isn’t based on hate?),

    Not sure if you actually read the post Tex but it appears you agree with me. 😯

  89. Oh, is that why Zimmerman’s labeled “White Hispanic?”

    You answered your own question. Hispanics are not empowered. Calling Z white helps the narrative.

    We’ve been down this road before.

  90. The “bigger pool” theory only lowers cost if the average insured is as healthy or healthier than the smaller pool that already exists.

    Ok, I get that approach. But aren’t you still making the assumption that it will cost more to cover these folks “legitimately” than it would to absorb the ER costs that they currently incur?

  91. So is Brillo racist?

    Why is it any more legit to assume Brillo racist than it is to assume Zimmerman racist? There’s no proof either way .. unless Brillo left a message on the wall of the elderly couple saying “take THAT whitey”.

    Surely you can agree Tex that Brillo is a psychopath. That kind of behavior is SO over the line it almost falls in Hannibal Lecter territory. Race issues are the LEAST of that guy’s problems!

  92. R @ #7:What I’m trying to say is many if not most murders involve some degree of disdain for the victim at the moment of the crime”

    I disagree with your statement. Statistically violent crimes are committed by amoral humans. Do you think that the “bastard” who raped and beat an 85 year old woman to death had any degree of “disdain” for his victim? In cases of murder in self defense there is emotion based on fear of one’s life and usually as Tigre pointed out will feel extreme remorse after the fact. Not so in the hardened criminal.

    I’m not sure I believe in “hate” crimes. I think “hate” (racism/bigotry) is a catch all term and often used as an excuse to be an amoral criminal. Riots are generally a result of passion which is used to incite the public but not intended to be criminal except possibly for the perpetrator of the riot. The gang-mentality is another example of passionate followers except for the gang leader who more than likely is amoral and uses passion/hate/racism/bigotry to obtain followers.

    Adrenaline is a very strong drug which produces endorphins which creates the “feel” good high. James gave a very good description.

  93. Of all people who should NOT be going off half-cocked, it’s the President. It just fuels the drumbeat of “Obama as racist.” Correctly, I might add.

    Still waiting for you to condemn Santorum who also assumed Zimmerman’s guilt.

    What if we just let the people do their job, without trying – in perfect ignorance of the facts ourselves – to influence how they do it?

    Yup, just letting them do their job has Zimmerman walking away from a shooting and the parents of Trayvon burying their son not knowing what the hell happened.

    If we could just let them do their job, this whole fiasco wouldn’t have gotten started in the first place. They proved incompetent at doing their job. (The lead investigator filed an affidavit stating that he didn’t buy Z’s story and wanted to make a manslaughter arrest. He got overruled.)

  94. Rutherford, a 2003 study showed that (LIfeNews.com) 99% of Planned Parenthood and other independent abortion providers used ultrasound on their patients. Vaginal ultrasounds were used before abortions to determine the gestational age of the baby or later to determine if the abortion was complete. 83% of the sites surveyed always used vaginal ultrasound exams.

    “Update Commentary magazine reporter Alana Goodman indicates one Planned Parenthood official has admitted Planned Parenthood policy already requires ultrasounds before abortion procedures. ”

    Another official in Washington DC said it is standard medical procedure.

    My statement about our lives ending with the constitutionality of the individual mandate still stands. The ultrasound is a medical procedure designed to protect the customers, and private companies used them before the government mandated them.

    The individual mandate is the government’s attempt to create a contract and force us to agree to it under duress. This could apply to anything else the government wished. Even this mandate offers exemptions to favored groups. Such segregation of outcomes could be repeated in other forms of governmental coersion.

    I agree, its all about the money–and power. It is our money and our power they want to steal.

  95. “Tigre, as to the “reasons” the law was crafted as it was …. the road to hell is paved with good intentions.”

    Ummm, yeah. So you wanted to go to law skool?

  96. David Duke (or someone in his camp) actually did weigh in on the Martin/Zimmerman incident:

    http://www.davidduke.com/?p=27672

    Right now, Duke’s focus is on the Zionist oppressors and his accusation that Obama is their puppet. He was recently arrested in Germany, after being invited there to speak, for his outspoken criticism of the nation of Israel and defining Zionism as racism. He is committed to the Palestinian cause and exposing the hypocrisy of Israel. He is continually apologizing for his racist past, and insists he’s moved on.

    Of course some are of the mind, once a racist, always a racist.

  97. “They proved incompetent at doing their job. (The lead investigator filed an affidavit stating that he didn’t buy Z’s story and wanted to make a manslaughter arrest. He got overruled.)”

    Oh my God. That proves “incompetence?” Yeah, so he got overruled and that means incompetence.

    Let me guess. You got that from MSNBC?

  98. The ultrasound is a medical procedure designed to protect the customers, and private companies used them before the government mandated them.

    James, unfortunately not. In Pennsylvania, I believe, the legislation was drafted to say that the ultrasound monitor must be placed such that the mother can see the image.

    This is clearly being requested to discourage women from getting an abortion. If what you say is true … that it is already standard operating procedure, then there would be no need for the legislation.

  99. Rutherford, given the Martin case, I think you should stay in your car. No good can come you hitching your wagon to this horse or should I say putting you “gat” in this holster, or your head in that hoodie or whatever your LIFE has taught you about what happened. You’re going to end up getting your smashed in — and you’re totally unarmed.

  100. My point was that ultrasound was approved by private companies and not the government. I don’t have any personal experience with Planned Parenthood or other abortion clinics, so I rely on what I read. I don’t know if the first ultrasound was government mandated or not, but it doesn’t seem to have been.

    I agree new governmental laws are probably in place to encourage mothers not to abort their babies. If that is the legislative goal, the the mandates are state laws affecting a small class of people. States have the right to pass such legislation. . If someone doesn’t like the Pennsylvania law for example, what is to stop her from traveling to another state? Or if the mother sees the unborn baby she ought not let emotionalism influence her decision. if she does, the problem is hers. She is not mindless. She can decide.

    The mandated insurance affects everyone except for a favored few. There is no escape unless one moves to another country. The ultrasound laws affect a minority who want to buy a service. Mandated insurance affects even those who don’t want to purchase coverage. Personal decisions are not allowed.

    I think one if its lynch pins is Interstate Commerce. Around 1943, an Ohio farmer raised some wheat to feed his family and his livestock. The government fined him because what he raised exceeded the amount allowed under the farm program. His act of producing the grain violated the Interstate Commerce clause because the grain affected the supply and he might sell some of it.

    Consider what has flowed from that little decision, and it includes the insurance mandate.

  101. Our computer has been in trouble for several weeks. I have been hibernating it as often as possible. This morning, I visited on the phone with someone I met at a now defunct blog, and I forgot to turn off the computer. We talked for three hours. Now the computer is working fine.

  102. Yes, we do agree about the idiocy of “hate crimes”, I think. That’s three times in two weeks we’ve agreed, from Afghanistan to Zimmerman, Brotha “R”. Apocalypse is upon us… 😯

    Good to see you too Muffy. Shoot, I even read Flake and Pfesser’s stuff and thought them pretty much spot on. The Tribulation is definitely upon us.

    I was just sure Rutherford would run off half cocked. I am kind of disappointed. LOL! I came in her to hammer him, and he’s only half baked. Obviously my absence has soothed his hemorrhoids. Besides “R”‘s normal idiocy of racism defined downward, and defending the indefensible Rev. Tawana Brawley, Rutherford is one of the more sane brothers (until it comes to President Foodstamp).

    Then he’s completely in arrested development.

  103. Is this the ratcheting down?

    I’m not talking about the inflammatory rhetoric of any individual. I’m talking about the mood in Sanford, FL. According to the head of the NAACP, when he went there beginning of last week tensions were dangerously high. By end of week, with a special prosecutor appointed, tensions had dropped considerably and there was a sense of unity among the Sanford citizens, white and black.

  104. James you’re missing the point entirely. This has nothing to do with the population effected by the legislation. It has to do with the principle and clearly conservative are hypocrites when they say they want government out of their affairs but have no problem with government interceding in the most private of medical procedures.

  105. “Regarding 133, damn is that a metaphor overload.”

    Eh, it was an experiment.

    R, word to the wise. Distance yourself from this. Even when Obama disingenuously steps to restore calm and peace and heal everyone like all good Messiah’s do.

    We’ll never know what really happened, the details forever too obscure and debatable and the extent to how much racism (or perceived racism) played a role never known.

    However, this is an absolute. Validating this ridiculous exercise, manufactured for personal and political gain by the agitators, will create more victims and ultimately change nothing for the better. Don’t get sucked in unless you really want to play the fool.

  106. TexTalyor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Yeah Tex, same shit, different day here.

    Take Rutherford’s “racism= prejudice + power” crap….what is really annoying is that I just know Rutherford never arrived at that position by himself.

    This is a canned answer, a package, so to speak, he learned from leftist academics. He probably learned it on Bill Maher or something.

    It’s like thinking one of those kit cars are cool. They’re not. Homrebrew beer made from extract.

    Luckily, even most black people don’t buy that bull shit.

    That’s because everyone knows you can’t apply societal generalities to individual people and events. It never works.

    The person with power is the person with power.

    Put a gun to my head, you have power. Do it because you don’t like my clammy, pinkish skin, you’re a racist. End of story.

    It’s classic ignorance espoused by a cluck who rarely thinks as an individual.

  107. “The American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) is a politically conservative [1] 501(c)(3) nonprofit policy organization, consisting of both state legislators and members of the private sector, mostly representing corporations. ALEC’s mission statement describes the organization’s purpose as the advancement of free-market principles, limited government, federalism, and individual liberty”- wiki

    Rutherford, I’m not sure what your issue is with ALEX. They state their purpose openly. I don’t really see how ALEC differs from The Blue Dog Coalition, commonly known as the Blue Dogs which is a group of United States Congressional Representatives from the Democratic Party who identify themselves as moderates.
    The biggest single source of finance for the Blue Dog Political Action Committee is the health care industry, which donated $1.2 million in the 2009-10 election cycle. I guess one difference is the Blue Dogs got voted out but I’m sure they still exist behind “Closed” doors but not as a nonprofit organization.

    Many states with their “NO CLOSED DOOR POLICY” has created the environment for legislators to seek out other ways and means of formulating legislature and what better place than an nonprofit organization such as ALEX. I tried doing some research as I am sure the Liberals have a similar organization but maybe not incorporated like ALEX.

    The troubling aspect is that all legislation is born from the cooperation between lobbyists and legislatures, liberal and conservatives. Power and money go hand in hand.

    On the other hand, it looks like ALEX has been sticking it’s nose where it doesn’t belong according to Paul Krugman in his column “American Thought Police”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/28/opinion/28krugman.html?_r=1&src=ISMR_AP_LO_MST_FB

  108. He probably learned it on Bill Maher or something.

    I learned it on Morton Downey Jr. some 20 years ago.

    Rabbit, did anyone ever tell you that you can be a real assh*le?

    P.S. There’s nothing new under the sun Mr. Originality. Anything anybody has said on this board has been said by someone else somewhere before. This ain’t a gathering of geniuses, you included. 😐

  109. Raji, to put it shortly, I’d like ALEC better if it had no corporate/lobby influence. As I said in the piece, I actually find a Council of legislators from across the country sharing best of breed ideas something to applaud. Sadly, this is just another avenue for corporate agendas to be fulfilled, and based on this “model legislation” approach, bad law can go viral very quickly.

    It’s like bad law mass production.

  110. I’m not missing the point. It has everything to do with the size of the population affected by the legislation and the fact that the Constitution permits state regulatory laws. The state laws dictate that a practice already done by private companies to prevent medical accidents be used to influence mothers to keep their babies. That is a small population of women who choose to buy a service, and the laws will have little effect on my life or yours. A national law would be wrong.

    The insurance mandate will affect us all. It will force people to buy a service whether or not they want to. As I demonstrated, policy creep may extend the law to include the government’s forcing us to buy other products or to alter our behavior for the common good.

    The Constitution reserves some rights to the government, and all others to the states. Forcing most of us to buy insurance when we don’t want to is a usurpation of our rights. If individual states pass such laws, it is different.

    I can be as hypocritical as a liberal, but since liberals seem to value hypocracy I don’t understand why a liberal would consider it an insult to use that word.

  111. there ain’t nobody that says the same shit as Rabbit.

    I’m first to admit he does have a way with words. But we do need to get off our “original thinkers” high horse around here. The meme is getting very old. If I hadn’t found the racism=prejudice+power idea appealing, I wouldn’t be repeating it. I DID give it some thought and I liked the approach. It made sense to me.

  112. James, it’s looking bad for Obamacare. Those following it closely have reported to some of our guys the whole act may go down in flames.

    I find it interesting that the Government argued the necessary and proper clause yesterday (improperly in my opinion) and will likely regret it if the individual mandate is the threshold issue.

    In other words, the question of severability of the offending part(i.e. mandate) from the balance of the act is undercut by the SG’s arguments that the mandate is “necessary and proper” to carry out the other provisions.

    (and it was unnecessary and improper to argue that the necessary and proper clause applied to carry out an unconstitutional act — an argument I find downright silly really).

  113. Oh, I addressed the last to you James, but forgot to complete my thought.

    Your comments regarding state mandates versus federal is wasted on a liberal. They see no limits on federal authority, which is why they deem the constitution a hindrance. However, your point is completely valid.

  114. Raji, to put it shortly, I’d like ALEC better if it had no corporate/lobby influence.

    Now that is what I call wishful thinking 😉 Wasn’t it a campaign promise of Obama’s that no lobbyist would be part of his administration? Money = Power.

  115. For Rutherford re: Supreme Court hearing
    Audio of Wednesday morning’s argument can be found at: .http://apne.ws/GX1p23
    Audio for Tuesday’s court argument can be found at: .http://apne.ws/Hft6z3

    I think this statement about sums up the thinking of the court 😉

    “What happened to the Eighth Amendment?” Scalia asked, referring to the Constitution’s ban on cruel and unusual punishment. “You really expect us to go through 2,700 pages?”

  116. Rabbit, did anyone ever tell you that you can be a real assh*le?

    😆 What’s with the asterisk, cluck? Bill Maher? 😆

    Come on Brotha “R”. There’s only one Rabbit, though my ex-bro in law comes real close.

    P.S. There’s nothing new under the sun Mr. Originality. Anything anybody has said on this board has been said by someone else somewhere before. This ain’t a gathering of geniuses, you included.

    I resemble that remark. 😡

  117. “I resemble that remark.”

    Hi Tex, did you mean “resent” Good to see you back adding your three sense 😉

  118. Actually R when you start reading the transcript you will have to laugh at some of the comments and here I thought our Supreme Court were these serious dudes with black robes, white wigs and serious faces.

  119. Nah, I got a buddy that when I criticize him, always responds back, “Hey, I RESEMBLE that remark.”

    And I got to admit, it’s a pretty good comeback the first time. 🙂

  120. Thanks El Tigre. I trust your judgement, and hope you are right.

    R is right. There is nothing new here. My wife and I have been saying “I resemble that remark” since we were teenagers. We need to get out more.

    Ragi, wouldn’t it be fun to see the Supreme justices at a party well stocked with Jim Beam?

    ABC claims to have the surveillance video, and it shows no blood on Zimmerman.

    The Rep who wore a hoodie and was thrown out of the House today said in 2000 that Obama was an educated fool.

    The plot thickens.

  121. Raji, you landed on the Scalia laugh out loud moment. It is more telling than it appear. Imagine the task of having to decide whether the whole thing , parts, or just the mandate (a job required of the legislature given its complexity and limitations of the Court’s proper role IMO). And it touches on my comment about necessary and proper. Are they to re-write the bill without the necessary component? Methinks not. But thee again even the people that wrote it don’t understand the workings of all its provisions.

    The portions I’ve read of the government’s response to the Constitutional limitations are even weaker than imagined.

  122. Guys, if memory serves me right, “I resemble that remark” came from Curly of The Three Stooges. If you said it first, you all are a hell of a lot older then you should ever admit.

  123. R, FWIW, I was just having a hang with my cigar smoking buddies. Out 8, only two of us are white. An amazing amount of agreement on the Martin/Zimmerman case in terms of “not knowing what happened, and no racial component that justifies the reaction. Most surprising was a unanimous belief that Obama should have stayed out of it and kept his mouth shut. I asked your question for you (empathy). All disagreed, all Obama supporters (to varying degrees), all said they thought it was politically motivated since he only reaches out in instances when the media has a hold of it.

    Rabbit, the stogies were delicious cubanos.

  124. Tigre, I think you’re right. I do remember that on the Three Stooges along time ago when I was younger, so much younger. I can’t believe they’re actually making a movie about The Three Stooges. Hollywood literally has run out of ideas.

    I’m sure, knowing my boring friend (and probably my best friend), he darn sure didn’t make it up. But he does watch a lot of TV.

  125. You want to see something that’ll make your head explode? Combine this:

    The Obama campaign responded on Wednesday to criticism from two GOP candidates regarding his remarks on the Trayvon Martin killing, condemning their remarks with strong words of their own.

    “I think it’s abysmal, despicable that people like Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum are trying to make this a divisive issue,” said Stephanie Cutter, Obama’s deputy campaign manager, on CNN’s Starting Point, adding that “they should watch their own words.”

    Gingrich called Obama’s remarks on the shooting of the unarmed 17-year-old in Florida “disgraceful,” while Rick Santorum said that the president was trying to “drive a wedge” between people.

    With this:

    Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.) said on Tuesday that Arizona’s immigration-enforcement law will cause people to be “profiled” in that state just as Trayvon Martin was profiled in Florida.

    The GOP is being divisive with this? Really? R, even you have to laugh at the absurdity of that statement…

  126. Gorilla, that has got to be a joke. 🙄

    Where do these people come from.

    My unscientific observations tell me Obama and the left are on the losing side of this whole thing among the non-brainwashed public. So I guess more bs speaks volumes.

  127. Here’s a question that is bothering me. Profiling is the new racism, I assume?

    Since when did profiling people become “illegal” and “immoral?”

    There’s not a person on earth that doesn’t profile in one way or another to make a decision or discern their environment.

  128. Hehehehehehehe… Genuine concern…

    CNN’s Brooke Baldwin: Would you, would your fellow African-American lawmakers be concerned about this case if Trayvon wasn’t black?

    Corrine Brown (D-Fla.) : Oh, let me tell you something. We had an incident in my area where a young, white female was, um, murdered, and I was just as concerned. Absolutely, I care about all of the children. You know…

    Baldwin: What was her name?

    Brown: The young lady that got killed?

    Baldwin: Yes, ma’am.

    Brown: In, um, in Orange County (looks off camera)

    Baldwin: What was her name?

    Brown: Yeah, yeah, the young lady that got killed.

    Baldwin: Do you remember?

    Brown: I don’t remember her name.

  129. Gorilla, these people are so visibly disingenuous and stupid that even Rutherford chokes to defend them. Our esteemed blogger is thrown into a no win situation when dealing with the Black Caucus boners.

    Remember this beauty from your named “distinguished” politician? So painful, you would swear it was parody from a Mel Brooke’s movie.

  130. Rutroh Raggy…

    (The Hill) — The White House has no contingency plans in place in the event the Supreme Court rules the healthcare law is unconstitutional.

    White House officials said Wednesday they remain “confident” that the healthcare reform law is constitutional and is implementing all the provisions of the law.

    If the law is thrown out, there’s “no contingency plan in place,” principal deputy press secretary Josh Earnest said at Wednesday’s press briefing with reporters. “We’re focused on maximizing the benefits of this law.”

    President Obama was in South Korea for the first two days of the High Court’s arguments. Earnest said Obama has followed the case through news reports but he’s unsure if Obama has listened to the audio from the Supreme Court.

    Here’s a question- what’s with this feigned disinterest that Obama directs at basically everything? His signature domestic legislation, the single major accomplishment of this Administration, and he’s not following it?

    (sweat)(:|

  131. I don’t doubt the whole healthcare debacle unravels from the federal mandate. We are already an encumbered people and this adds to it. Nothing near what our foreign policy is/has been costing us.

  132. The so what factor is, I dare say, assault and the justification of self defense. Clearly, Sgt. Schultz is a mental giant among the left…

    CALLER: Hey, what is it about the right that just can’t be wrong about something? This whole Trayvon Martin deal is just driving me nuts. It’s cut and dry. The guy brought a gun to the fight. The kid was just walking home. You know, a scuffle ensues because this guy pursued him and he shoots the kid. That’s, that’s murder …

    SCHULTZ: Well, well, here, here, here’s the thing. So what if Trayvon Martin hit him?

    CALLER: That’s exactly. So what if …

    SCHULTZ: So what if he, uh, broke his nose?

    CALLER: I, I agree.

  133. “Actually R when you start reading the transcript you will have to laugh at some of the comments and here I thought our Supreme Court were these serious dudes with black robes, white wigs and serious faces.”Raji

    When educated liberals don’t like which way the wind is blowing, they always take the above tone.

    They sound like snobs at a cocktail party.

    Think of the bad guy from a 1980’s comedy. Dudes who tie a yellow sweater on by the sleeves.

    Things that are uncool to a liberal always feels so “uncivilized” and unsophisticated to them.

    I’m not saying Raji is a snob in real life. She probably isn’t.

    Raji, whats to stop the government from making me buy a cell phone or broccoli if Obama-care is deemed a go?

    Humor a troglodyte like myself and tell the Rabbit why he shouldn’t be wary of a federal government that can make us buy shit off of rich corporations?

  134. Poolman, didn’t you spend the whole summer defending Obamacare and claiming the Tea Party was AstroTurf?

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad you see the danger in Obamacare.

    But, where the hell were you and others like you when we needed it.

    Actually, i take that back.

    You’re off the hook.

    The bastard Democrats were hell bent on passing that monstrosity no matter what.

    Resistance was futile. Until the Fall of 2010 of course.

    Can you imagine the other monstrosities that will surely eventually pass if this is deemed constitutional?

    It will be a brave new world in terms of the government having the right to encroach on us.

  135. I love reading the transcripts.

    If Raji means its much more down to earth, and not complaining about the direction of the conversation itself, I agree.

    Its refreshing to see a branch of government where, while they are sill partisan as fuck, use reason and logic.

    No academic gloobty glock. No posturing on the floor with a hoody on. No styrafoam columns.

    A good old fashion argument. It’s awesome that they don’t try to “appear” smart.

  136. CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS: Well, why isn’t that a consequence of how willing they have been since the New Deal to take the Federal government’s money? And it seems to me that they have compromised their status as independent sovereigns because they are so dependent on what the Federal government has done, they should not be surprised that the Federal government having attached the — they tied the strings, they shouldn’t be surprised if the Federal government isn’t going to start pulling them.

    MR. CLEMENT: With all due respect,

    Mr. Chief Justice, I don’t think we can say that, you know, the States have gotten pretty dependent, so let’s call this whole federalism thing off. And I just think it’s too important. Because again, the consequence -­if you think about it — if — the consequence of saying that we’re not going to police the coercion line here shouldn’t be that well, you know, it’s just too hard, so we’ll give the Federal Congress unlimited spending power.

    The consequence ought to be, if you really can’t police this line, then you should go back and reconsider your cases that say that Congress can spend money on things that it can’t do directly.

  137. No rabbit, I’m not an Obamacare fan. I thought at first it was just good insurance reform, but now I can’t label it good. I was actually for single-payer, something like maybe the Swiss have, but a corrupt government could not administer it. Everything the fed touches loses value and efficiency.

    Ron Paul IS grass roots TP. They, as a group, did get hijacked by others, Dick Armey being one, springing up astro turf.

  138. ABC claims to have the surveillance video, and it shows no blood on Zimmerman.

    James … interesting! Yesterday I saw a video of the gate that surrounds the community and there was a warning sign that there was video surveillance. I said to my wife, “I wonder if they’ve got the shooting on video?”

    The plot thickens indeed!

    By the way, I’ve lost respect for two different writers in the past couple of months. At the rate I’m going I may have to give up being liberal. The first was Eugene Robinson who was way too flippant in evaluating Santorum’s bringing his dead baby home for a funeral. The second, just today, is Charles Blow who was on Crazy Larry’s show last night and totally lost it in interviewing Joe Oliver, Z’s character witness. I’ve always seen Blow pretty well behaved. He embarrassed himself last night.

    Side note: Joe Oliver is an odd dude. Doesn’t know Z that well if the truth be told but feels in his gut that he’s innocent. He’s making the rounds of every talk show that will book him. Could it be a case of the Andy Warhol 15 minutes?

  139. My closing thought for the night before going to bed.

    Once Obamacare is invalidated by The Supremes, I want the f*cking income tax to go next. Hell, if I can’t be forced to purchase a service, the benefits of which I can identify and understand, I sure as hell shouldn’t be forced to purchase services I never actually receive and don’t understand.

    I’d pay for health insurance any day over paying for the Afghanistan war.

    No more income tax …. who’s with me?

  140. Raji, whats to stop the government from making me buy a cell phone or broccoli if Obama-care is deemed a go?- Rabbit @186

    I see you have read or listened to the transcripts. I thought the discussion on “veggies” and cars was humorous. Frankly Rabbit, there is nothing to stop the federal government from doing anything it wants if they hide it well enough under the guise of homeland security etc.

    Oh, the government will never make you “buy” a cell phone but just make the environment such that it becomes a necessity. You do realize that the government has mandated that cells phone have GPS tracking data so Big Brother is already watching you.

    Now as far as me being an educated liberal snob about the only thing you got right was the word “educated”. I think the whole Obamacare package is so full of excess baggage that it needs to be overruled and start all over again. 2700 pages !!!!!!!!!

    Yes, Rabbit, you should be very wary of being “made” to buy anything but since that scenario already exists you already comply either by a state or federal government. How did you feel about being mandated to have auto insurance or put up a hefty deposit before you obtained a license tag?

    Frankly I thought the justices discussing the validity of Obamacare as to it’s constitutionality could have produced better examples than broccoli or cars.

  141. Actually Rutherford, I do think we should do away with income tax as it is presently. I’m all for a flat tax or sales tax but I know what you were referring to.

    Maybe we should have two sets of taxes, one that covers maintaining the government and another one that covers the cost of war like the gas tax.

    Stupid idea, maybe!

  142. One more comment for Rabbit: It’s hard to be a snob when you shovel “shit” for a living. I’m an expert in manure management 😉

  143. Gorilla, I have to commend you on your articulateness lately. Now try using a few brain cells.

    What’s “stupid” about my objecting to paying income tax. It’s the government forcing me to part with my hard earned money and I don’t even know what I’m getting in return … and some of what I may be financing (the Afghanistan war) I don’t want to be financing.

    Either you don’t like the government forcing you to buy a product OR you just don’t like Obama. I suspect you’re full of sh*t. 🙂

  144. The reaction from the aggregate black community pertaining to Trayvon Martin was as predictable as the assurance that 95% of blacks will be voting for Obama again this year.

    Florida is a state that has as Congressional representation Frederica Wilson, Corrine Brown and Alcee Hastings. Predictable.

    Our mob rule started with good intent, but the road to hell was paved with low expectation. The most pretentious of the supporters of the black cause and its race hustlers are the white media, Dem pols and academia. They are the ultimate benefactors of the bad behavior.

    These white elitists, incorrectly identified as self-loathing whites, are the new slave owners. They don’t market in cotton but power, and they require neither a chain nor a whip. Money is but a side issue – the authority to manipulate the mob is the new slave owner’s power. For the trade of excuses of bad behavior and the expropriation of another man’s wallet, they have pandered for the vote and won.

    I submit what you are witnessing is a combination of abject stupidity, immorality and a lifetime of indoctrination to hate whitey from the cradle, thoroughly assisted by self-absorbed, self-important liberals empowering and enriching themselves – the poor and disenfranchised blacks bondslaves for the cause.

    I think he knows what Rome is. Rome is the mob. Conjure magic for them and they’ll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they’ll roar. The beating heart of Rome is not the marble of the senate, it’s the sand of the coliseum. He’ll bring them death – and they will love him for it. ~ Gracchus, of Gladiator Fame

  145. James, I watched the surveillance video … at least the one ABC is touting. Contrary to what I thought, it wasn’t taken at the crime scene. It was taken at the police station. It is odd that Z doesn’t appear injured in any way. No discoloration on his head or face. No discernible grass stains on the back of his jacket.

    The next thing to look for is the voice expert hired by the prosecutor to figure out who was really yelling for help on that 911 tape.

  146. Tex, all very eloquent but what if ….

    Zimmerman shot an unarmed teenager who did nothing but walk through his neighborhood?

    We still don’t know the bottom line, do we?

    Put aside the record of success that blacks have had vs Jews (admittedly not good) and I submit that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are not much different from Elie Wiesel. Don’t ever let them forget. If they even get a sniff of discrimination, they go off.

    And you know what? That’s what almost 200 years of f*cking over the black man buys you. You don’t like it, tough. This could all have been avoided if the founding fathers had enough balls to put an end to slavery at the outset. But money has always been the bottom line and God forbid we screw with the Southern economy.

    There’s a price to be paid for evil and sadly our entire society is still paying the price for the peculiar institution. Huge swaths of blacks have been subjugated to welfare dependence still believing the Dems will “save” them and huge swaths of whites are the target of undeserved recrimination because many of their ancestors were on the wrong side of the battle.

    It’s totally f*cked up and I don’t see a solution any time soon.

  147. And you know what? That’s what almost 200 years of f*cking over the black man buys you.

    That and $10,000,000,000,000.00 of wasted Great Society capital distributed disproportionately toward blacks too ignorant, slothful, ungrateful, immoral, and helpless to care for themselves, creating a multi-generational dependency upon a bloated and inept government, assisted by race pimping whores preying upon their own class of dumb clucks.

    I’ll take that back if you can prove to me that Rev Tawana, Rev. Je$$e, and the beloved MSNBC cast and crew actually ever gave a damn about the plight of poor, poor Trayvon™

    Good luck. 😉

  148. No more income tax …. who’s with me?

    Me and Ron Paul. But then, my salary is not derived from those very taxes.

  149. Mmmm blacks were supposed to be “grateful” for welfare?

    40 acres and a mule mofo!!!! That’s a start at really setting things straight. Didn’t happen.

    Germany lost WWII … ended up contrite and ashamed. Didn’t wave swastika flags all over the damn place. South lost the Civil War, confederate flags still waving all over the place 150 years later. South could have said, “we learned something from this. Let’s welcome our black brothers into the society of free men.” Didn’t do it. Set up Jim Crow.

    You’re a religious man, Tex. You believe in sin. This country is so steeped in sin it’s a wonder we’ve survived. This brouhaha in Florida is just another chapter in the consequences of sin.

    As I said in the last comment, I don’t know when it’s going to end.

  150. Rutherford,

    I have no doubt that it took two to tango. It’s a tragic and unnecessary death, even if the kid was a banger and most definitely a thug. I suspect you have two imbeciles here, one armed and one not, both went looking for trouble and when Trayvon was getting the better of George in a fistfight, George wasted Trayvon. That happens about a hundred times a day in poor black neighborhoods, and nary a peep from the dubious do gooders.

    But Trayvon Martin or George Zimmerman are not really the big picture here, are they? That’s not the issue. We have no idea if justice was served, or will be served now because of the hate mongers, the leftist power brokers, the cries of corruption.

    Because the liberal media, in their desperation to cover their failure and market their bias for red meat, and to distract from Obama’s abysmal record during a campaign season to stoke up the race card hoping to get black butts to the voting booth, in conjunction with the black race pimps looking to capitalize not for Trayvon but for themselves, have made another grievous mistake.

    White Hispanic? Million dollar bounties? Burn the city down? Twitter the wrong address? No blood on his shirt from some grainy tape?

    Why don’t we just ask the medical personnel, instead of drawing conclusions? Your side is so busy, so wanting this to be a lynching, they are shitting themselves – not out of sympathy for a couple of imbeciles, including the mother – but to make issue to gain power. It’s so clear and so insidious, my sympathy for disenfranchised has run out, and I’ve declared war on the mendacious liars and thieves.

    I will apologize to you personally for one thing. You are not part of the mob and not part of that group. You’re a reasonably intelligent man, educated, civil and established, who happens to be black. Being black is neither good nor bad – it just is. But you do tacitly cover in your sympathy for the victim for all of these maggots when you don’t demand that the evidence take its due course.

  151. Here’s an example of how messed up things are. I got an email today from ColorOfChange.org from which I’m sharing the following excerpt:

    Please join us in calling on the Republican National Committee — which leads the party and coordinates the GOP’s election strategy — to withhold its support from any candidate who uses Trayvon Martin’s killing to divide Americans and distort honest conversations about race for political gain.

    The problem of course is that the very politicians referred to in this excerpt are responding to folks that would divide America and use race for political gain.

    How can we ever solve racial problems in this country when race is simply the currency traded by profiteers on both sides?

    No end in sight. No end in sight. 😦

  152. You’re a religious man, Tex. You believe in sin. This country is so steeped in sin it’s a wonder we’ve survived. This brouhaha in Florida is just another chapter in the consequences of sin.

    Rutherford. Sigh. Man is steeped in sin. Mother Theresa is steeped in sin. We’ve survived and thrived because we are better than most and have attempted, not always successfully, to deal with our injustices. Let me tell you – blacks are not the only ones that have suffered on account of slavery – we all have. It has cheapened humanity and cheapened life.

    Frankly, the method of dealing in my opinion has been worse or at least equally as bad as the original injustice itself. Rutherford, I guarantee you I could make a good case that a typical black family of 1963 in Birmingham, AL, was healthier and in less danger than it is at this very minute. I’m not kidding. I could. Blacks have simply switched plantation owners. Not all blacks – but many blacks.

    However, forgetting one moment the insidiousness of slavery and Jim Crow, America will never move forward and is in fact moving backward at least in part on account of large numbers of blacks are committing the same sins that my ancestors imposed on yours, only without the stroke of a whip, so they resort to the stroke of a message of hate with a pen.

    I have no doubt, if the roles were reversed and blacks made up the largest majority of America, right now whites would find themselves being persecuted. Most blacks I meet anymore are angry, militant, deceitful, and dependent. It doesn’t frighten me as a white man – it sickens me. The original intent was pure – the motive now is not.

    You’ve got a cause right in front of your face and you’re not doing anything about it. You could do more good than your parents ever dreamed you could, if you were more virtuous than you are.

    You’re a wonderful writer – but your general message is unsound. Frankly, you’re a waste of good talent and good humor without the proper message. A talent I wish I had, I might add.

    Blessed are the peacemakers; blessed are the meek. You going to go to your grave wasting your “GOD” given talent, old friend?

    You and I aren’t growing any younger, you know?

  153. Don Knotts was one of the funniest men that ever lived. I’m kind of ashamed to admit this, but there were times my old man kind of reminded me of Don Knotts – though that was never his intent. LOL

    To prove I’m still a kid at heart, recently I watched the Ghost and Mr. Chicken again and still laughed out loud.

  154. Rutherford, I later saw still pictures allegedly from the ABC video posted on Daily Caller, I think. They showed a long gash or scar from the back top to back of Zimmerman’s head. No blood was visible. Tapes can be edited as they were of Sarah Palin’s discussion with Charlie Gibson.

    I’d like to know about the voice experts’ opinions too, and I suspect we will see a battle of competing voice experts.

    I like what Tex wrote, especially about “the white elitists.” They are using blacks and their anger for their profit. They don’t care about blacks or other minorities as people. Yes, it was very elequent.

    Mari Boine a Sami singer, said “I and many other Samis were brainwashed to hate our own background, the heritage…Also during the demonstrations…there was a lot in the media, and that made me think and gave me information, and I learned more about my people’s history. And then, there was a volcano inside me of anger and rage that had to get out, because I then realized what had been done to my people. ”

    I think blacks have as much basis for anger as the Sami and many other people. White and black elitists feed on their anger and encourage feelings of victimization. Like the Sami, their culture and heritage is not quite good enough. God-fearing Christians wrecked the Sami culture while well-meaning and avaricious do gooders did the same to blacks for profit.

    More blacks than whites or Hispanics kill other blacks. Where is the outrage? We rarely talk about them, because such things don’t fit the narrative.

  155. Sometimes the right actors and the right writers intersect and create magic. The Andy Griffith Show was one such example. I still well up when Opie has to set free the baby birds he nurtured after killing their mama with a slingshot.

  156. Police Report:

    As to Zimmerman, “his back appeared to be wet and was covered in grass (and he) was also bleeding, from the nose and back of his head,” according to the same report.

    Sounds like Zimmerman, whatever transpired before that, was telling the truth in at least one instance… 😐

  157. “How can we ever solve racial problems in this country when race is simply the currency traded by profiteers on both sides?” – R

    It’s actually pretty simple, but you can’t sell air time with pacifist reactions like this.

    “You might quiet the whole world for a second if you pray. And if you love, if you really love, our guns will wilt.” – St. John of the Cross

  158. This country is so steeped in sin it’s a wonder we’ve survived.

    And it apparently takes a professed unbeliever to recognize that. Sin is woven in the very fabric of our society and is mostly unrecognizable. It does require us to notice it first, before any good can come from it. Like a cancer, it can be debilitating and fatal.

    But yeah, it is people that are sinful, as Tex states. This nation is the product of what people have made it. The moral fiber has slowly been unraveling little by little by little over time. I believe it was a deliberate act, part of a master plan set in place many many many years ago.

    Slavery was just one aspect. Treatment of the indigenous peoples that were here, another. Anyone who participates in this world system has to compromise a bit of character and conscience. One often cloaks oneself in apathy in order to become successful.

  159. To further muddy the water, the mark on Zimmerman’s head might have been a scar. There wasn’t any visible blood around it. Or maybe someone wiped the blood away.

    Ron Paul wouldn’t know any more than we do unless he was there. Then we would have a story.

  160. Gun buyers swamped retailers nationwide last year, prompting a record 16.4 million instant criminal background checks of potential owners, up 14.2 percent from 2010, according to FBI figures. While some buyers may not have followed through with gun purchases or may have been denied, others bought more than one, so background checks are considered a good proxy for sales in the industry.

    On Wednesday, gun maker Sturm, Ruger & Co. announced the company was forced to temporarily suspend its acceptance of any new firearms orders due to a barrage of wholesale orders — more than 1 million in 2012 alone. Last year the company shipped a total of 1.1 million firearms. This massive push “exceeds our capacity to rapidly fulfill these orders,” the Connecticut company said in a news release, adding that it expects to resume normal operations by the end of May.

    http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/23/10797851-gun-sales-soaring-boosted-by-gun-laws-concerns-about-obama?preview=true

  161. “Tigre, I find Andy and Barney far more relevant than conservative propaganda.”

    Notice it wasn’t directed to you? You’re the Barney Fife. 😆

    Sorry. Arguing the preamble to the Constitution to the SCOTUS in support of a bill is funny to anyone that understands the document.

  162. Poolman …. first kudos on the Beatles clip. Great frickin’ song. Something about the phrase “Mother Superior jumped the gun.” really appeals to me.

    Gun sales up the wazoo despite the fact that Obama hasn’t said squat about taking away anybody’s guns.

    Oh I forgot, if he gets reelected all the nightmares with come true. 🙄

    P.S. The irony of Lennon singing “happiness is a warm gun” considering his eventual fate.

  163. We are beyond objectivity, Tex. True believes will not let the truth whatever it is deter them. Drudge has a link with a story about a Twitter account advocating the murder of Zimmerman. If the truth proves their version of the story wrong, they won’t believe it.

    Poolman, the stock market illustrates guesses of future profit and loss. Gun sales demonstrate “our” growing fear of the future. .

  164. R, you wath [sic] this shit?

    Tigre, see my comment at 192. Charles Blow lost a lot of points with me in that interview.

    But I do have to ask you … why the hell is Joe Oliver exposing himself to this much abuse for someone he really doesn’t know that well?

    Because Z was not arrested, we are having a trial in the media. That “interview” with Mr. Oliver was equivalent to a trial cross examination. This should be going on in a courtroom, not on MSNBC.

  165. By the way, Oliver’s answers are strange at times. One could forgive this if he was truly an ordinary “Joe” but I’m pretty sure he used to be a CNN reporter. He’s media savvy.

  166. Why the hell would it bother you if the people arm themselves, considering the government is slaughtering us and attempting to pre-program our minds via cartoons?

    I don’t get your concern nor the fact you even think it noteworthy that the people would choose to buy more guns considering the charges you leveled at the government.

  167. If the truth proves their version of the story wrong, they won’t believe it.

    James, this is what Bill Maher calls living inside the bubble. Both GOPhers and libs are guilty of it. A majority of folks in Mississippi don’t believe Obama is a Christian and a sizable number say he is Muslim. There is no changing their minds.

  168. “But I do have to ask you … why the hell is Joe Oliver exposing himself to this much abuse for someone he really doesn’t know that well?”

    Maybe he doesn’t like the media lynching. I’d have a hard time watching someone I know getting the Zimmerman treatment if I knew it was not an accurate assessment of his character. And I don’t need to be their best friend. The fact that he’s willing to hang it out there and speak what he thinks is the truth about someone signals the opposite that those dumb shit MSNBC hacks argue. Zimmerman has been called a murderous racist without proof for crying out loud.

    If you call that a “trial cross examination,” you are seriously deluded. Those are idiots acting like they think a lawyer acts on cross examination. Idiots. Mychildren could do a better job.

    Never does O’Donnell elicit anything. He makes a fool of himself. How you stomach that and think it’s informative is beyond me.

  169. I found nothing strange about Olive;rs answers. What I thought was strange were O’Donnell and the two idiots that round out the Stooges lineup for him.

  170. “Because Z was not arrested, we are having a trial in the media.”

    Do you have any understanding of what is required to “arrest” someone? God what you said is thick. Do you think “investigate” and “arrest” are the same thing?

    Because the media is trying him the media, he is being tried in the media. Fuck.

  171. I don’t get your concern nor the fact you even think it noteworthy that the people would choose to buy more guns considering the charges you leveled at the government.

    It is what’s behind the sales that I call out. Fear. The media has boosted fear along with our government since 9/11. The public has been just following their intended plan. Threat level? WTF?

    Now they have to get us shooting ourselves. You think it’s coincidence that racial divides are being highlighted? Illegal alien fears subsiding? Muslim fears waning?

    The media is a tool of the people profiting from our living this dream.

    We are good at killing, if nothing else. Might as well profit from it. 👿

  172. Shouldn’t we be living in fear, considering the gravity of the charges you leveled at Uncle Sam?

    Uncle Sam attacked the World Trade Center for shit’s sake!

    And, he uses subliminal mind control on TV against us.

    Seriously, it can’t get much dastardly then that, can it? Who knows how the government is conspiring to kill us, right poolman?

  173. I love how Uncle Sam is nice and fuzzy until you turn around and see Obama’s face on him. 🙄 Talk about a double standard.

    I think the OJ trial started this media courtroom. I think it was record breaking in terms of viewership. Superbowl is over. Politics is proving mundane and superficial.

    This keeps our eyes off the ball, mainly the fiat lending by the Fed and our military shifting focus and position.

  174. Never does O’Donnell elicit anything.

    If the point of the interview was to prove that Oliver didn’t know Z well enough to vouch for him, then I think Jonathan Capehart’s questions were more effective and less emotional.

    Crazy Larry often gets caught up in his own drama not realizing he’s not achieving his stated goal. It happens quite frequently.

  175. Spike Lee apologizes for retweeting “wrong address” instead of apologizing for retweeting an address in the first place.

    I would have preferred Thumbtack instead of Trayvon™ 😉 I loathe that sorry little mofo and always have. Talk about an untalented hack.

    I got a funny feeling they’re going to nail Thumbtack Lee’s ass to the wall for this one. The couple is already lawyered up.

  176. What the hell. I honestly don’t get you.

    He says he never told anyone he was a “close friend.” WTF? Does that mean he doesn’t have observations of he guy?

    What answer did you find so strange? There were very few because the morons don’t allow responses following their little dumb soliloquies.

  177. Warm and fuzzy? I’m warm and fuzzy because I don’t believe in your mind control cartoons and the fact America attacked America on September 11th?

    What a boob you are. Forlorn about America being “fearful”
    after peddling the spookiest fables for a decade and pretending their real.

    I’m not going to let you compartmentalize your wild stories. Either we are living in a nation that goes to great lengths to slaughter it’s own people or we don’t. But, you can’t just pick and choose when we are going to listen to your spooky stories around the camp fire, poolman.

  178. Poolman you’ve struck upon it. This supposed love of country espoused by many here but a total rejection of government every time they try to make our lives better (even if via misguided attempts sometimes).

    If you want serious whiplash, try following the bouncing ball of the conservatives as they praise America the beautiful while condemning her government at every turn.

  179. “but a total rejection of government every time they try to make our lives better (even if via misguided attempts sometimes).”

    Sounds a lot like our Founding Fathers. 🙄

    Stupid.

  180. Talk about an untalented hack.

    As usual you go too far. “Malcolm X” was a great film. Lee clearly has talent and has called out Tyler Perry as a buffoon. Lee had me until this example of sheer stupidity. I don’t know what he was thinking.

    I agree with you on one thing … I hope in some way that poor elderly couple can get a few million from him.

  181. You are warm and fuzzy because trust your uncle to be pure.

    My spooky stories? You credit me for them? Sorry, not mine.

    But don’t let me be the one to prove the Easter Bunny a fraud and spoil your childhood. You can believe in whatever stories you want.

  182. What answer did you find so strange?

    Why was he so cagey about Zimmerman being at the same workplace as he? That’s just one example.

    Does that mean he doesn’t have observations of he guy?

    “Observations” and a buck fifty will buy you a latte at Starbucks.

    A liberal woman winds up dead. Tex gets arrested. I go on TV and say that Tex has been outright vicious to liberal women on the Internet. That’s my “observation”. Do I really know Tex well enough to offer an opinion that’s worth a damn?

    Haven’t you ever “known” someone who did something that made you say “damn that’s not the guy I know.”

    If Joe Oliver puts himself out there (and I admit that takes some courage — unless it’s an Andy Warhol thing), he has to expect to be vetted on how well he knows the accused.

  183. Sounds a lot like our Founding Fathers.

    OOOO please note the time and date. El Tigre just favorably compared Barack Obama to George Washington and Thomas Jefferson!!!!!

  184. “Poolman you’ve struck upon it. This supposed love of country espoused by many here but a total rejection of government every time they try to make our lives better”-R

    Really?

    He struck on what?

    I don’t believe the government pre-programs us during popular cartoons and I don’t believe America killed 3 thousand of its own.

    I’m pointing out the obvious compartmentalization of a man that poisons discourse in America and you feel the need to give him a hand job? And to insinuate I’m the hypocrite?

    Poolman can’t just pick and choose when he wants to fantasize.

    You yourself say Poolman’s stories are so evil, so
    David Lynch like in narrative, that peddling them does great harm.

    Yet, we see poolman sometimes operate as if his hitherto matrix doesn’t exist….as if….it…..has been…..rrrrrrabbit drum rrrrrrolllll……..fiction this whole time!!!!!!

  185. You yourself say Poolman’s stories are so evil, so
    David Lynch like in narrative, that peddling them does great harm.

    On the contrary, I find some of Poolman’s more extreme stuff so absurd as to be harmless.

    But to his credit, Poolman is near impossible to pigeon hole politically, religiously or any other way. I consider him a free thinker and with that the liability that some garbage does get into his head from time to time.

    Actually Rabbit, unlike some here, I do believe you’re willing to hold your country up to scrutiny with a degree of bi-partisanship/objectivity.

    Still there is a cognitive dissonance between this defense of AMERICA and this constant criticism of her government and in particular, her President.

  186. Oliver’s observations aren’t worthless since they’re better than yours, i.e. none.

    So, Oliver didn’t say he knew Zimmerman from a blog. He said he knew him personally.

    He never said he wouldn’t be vetted. He went on the damn show and said he’d expect to be called.

    I don’t understand what the issue with the workplace aspect. He works with him. So, there’s more contact.

    So Oliver’s opinion isn’t worth a damn because he wasn’t close enough for you. Sorry dude. You call someone a murderous racist without foundation, someone that knows the accused can say “that’s not all consistent with with I know about him.” Don;p you know someone on a personal level no deeper that if accused of that you might say “now hold on a minute?”

    He said he knew him over 6 year period, apparently socially and in a work environment. He wants to stick up for the guy because you liberal jackals think you have a privilege to label someone a racist if it furthers your cause. Some of your “ilk” have accused Zimmerman of hunting Martin down and executing him because he was black. That is a character trait that might, just might, manifest itself in ways that ought to be apparent to people that don’t know him intimately, don’t you think?

    And here the MSNBCers can’t understand why that angelic 12 year old victim they portrayed is being scrutinized. Maybe if it weren’t for all of the false narratives and disinformation people wouldn’t feel motivated to dig underneath to expose the bullshit.

    So you got “nothing” from his past whatsoever that demonstrates him to be a murderous racist and you’ve got a “problem” with someone that knows him saying what he knows of the accusations?

  187. Fantasy question number one:

    Do you believe there is a company named Goldman Sachs that operates above our government and freely within our government on their own behalf?

    If you answer affirmative, then explain why that is.

  188. Bravo!!! Brilliant! Well said! Finally! You tell ’em! Tell it like it is! You’re so funny and smart you remind me of Bill Maher and Keith Olberman all rolled up into one! I want you to be my dad! Will you adopt me? I love you!!!!!!

    🙂

  189. “On the contrary, I find some of Poolman’s more extreme stuff so absurd as to be harmless.”

    Yeah, it seems like it should be that way, doesn’t?

    Unfortunately, his garbage festers in many more people then you think.

    However, you might be right. Just as Poolman easily ventures from one reality to the next….maybe they do to. Perhaps it really is dungeon and dragons. Movie inspired play time.

    However, you package poolman’s inconsistencies as “free thinking”.

    Now, that I don’t understand.

  190. Still there is a cognitive dissonance between this defense of AMERICA and this constant criticism of her government and in particular, her President.

    I think the cognitive dissonance really seeps in when somebody spends $6,000,000,000,000.00 more than we have in less than four years, has hyperinflation of consumer staples and higher unemployment to show for it, has turned “the good war” into a disaster, has more than doubled the price of energy during his watch and brags about production which he has impeded at every turn including stopped pipelines and federal drilling, observed his prized health care implode by illegality, has increased food stamp handouts 32% in three years, has led over a term that has us on the verge of a race war, has wasted over $120,000,000,000 for green energy with nothing to show for it but to pay off his campaign contributors, has been caught twice on mic alienating our allies and befriending our enemies, and etc. etc. etc…

    Only for adoring, fawning fans to call the above a real success and worthy of re-election. Yes we can. He was busy getting Bin Laden.

    The Titanic was a spectacular ship, a thing of beauty, grace and speed. But Ed Smith wasn’t worth a shit as a captain.

  191. I agree about the bubble, Rutherford. Its why those people are so dangerous.

    As far as your cognitive dissonance is concerned, America and the government are separate entities. I trust Americans. I do not trust my government. It will sell us out if it needs to.

    I didn’t see the interview, but I like El Tigre’s statements about it.

    Goldman Sachs has power, money, and connections.

  192. “Goldman Sachs has power, money, and connections.”

    It’s the connection part that is worrisome, considering the tiny cast of characters who have so much say over our money supply.

  193. I kind of like the way these new Dims operating MF Global do business. Wish they would hire me. Frankly, I think MF Global puts Goldman Sachs to shame.

    Can’t account for $1,600,000,000 that you lost or stole courtesy of your shareholders, the CEO and former Dim Senator and former honcho of Goldman Sachs can’t explain it, MF Global goes under, and the executives are in the process of receiving bonuses under the auspices of former FBI Dim Louis Freeh.

    Not everybody has suffered under Obama. Corzine, Soros and Kaiser are smelling sweet.

  194. You mean the engineer of Obama-stim doesn’t know where all that money went?

    It can’t be!

    Drudge is claiming Rosy O tweeted Zimmerman’s parents’ address.

  195. That’s okay D.R. – I got even for pinky.

    I sent the Cicero Klan Rutherford’s address – and told them he was married to a white woman. 😮

  196. Once Obamacare is invalidated by The Supremes, I want the f*cking income tax to go next. Hell, if I can’t be forced to purchase a service, the benefits of which I can identify and understand, I sure as hell shouldn’t be forced to purchase services I never actually receive and don’t understand.” – R

    Of course, this is pretty ironic coming from the guy who wants to soak the rich for cash to pay for services they don’t/can’t use.

    No R, the sarcasm is not beyond me, which is why I didn’t take the bait. You know that, but chose to be stupid nonetheless.

    You’ve been asked before to identify where the Constitution allows the Government to force you to purchase a commercial service from a private corporation. You can’t do it, but don’t feel bad, the Obama Administration couldn’t do it either and you’re all about them being much smarter than you. We agree at least on that, that you’re not nearly as smart as you think.

    Shit-for-brains can enlighten you on the Paulbot position of taxes, of course he’ll stop right before the Paul pork-barrel hypocrisy, but what else can you expect.

    My issue with taxes, and more specifically spending, is centered on two key areas: 1) is the spending within the roles and responsibilities of the government as articulated by the Constitution, and 2) that those expenditures are properly budgeted and paid for. You consistently fail at both. You can’t defend the spending within the Constitution and you sure as shit can’t budget a fucking thing so this brings us to the best, most succinct and accurate way to describe and respond to your comment:

    Stupid.

  197. “I sent the Cicero Klan Rutherford’s address – and told them he was married to a white woman”-Tex

    LOL.

    I’d pay money to hear the Grand Dragon scream after Rutherford unexpectedly chomps him.

    Hopefully this doesn’t come off gay, but i picture Rutherford as a biter when cornered.

  198. What exactly is wrong with liberals? Really, what is fucking wrong with you guys?

    (Smoking Gun) — The comedian Roseanne Barr last night tweeted the home address of George Zimmerman’s parents to her 110,000-plus Twitter followers, only to delete the posting after “not fully understanding that it was private not public.”

    Barr’s posting of the correct Florida address of Robert and Gladys Zimmerman came at the same time Spike Lee was issuing an apology for erroneously disseminating a tweet that purportedly contained the home address of George Zimmerman, who last month killed teenager Trayvon Martin.

    The residence cited by Lee is actually the home of an elderly couple with no connection to Zimmerman.

    Barr, who deleted her tweet in the face of criticism from some Twitter followers, noted that she first thought it “was good to let ppl know that no one can hide anymore.” That stance quickly changed, with Barr reporting, “But vigilante-ism is what killed Trayvon. I don’t support that.”

    But while Barr deleted her original posting, the Zimmermans’s address remains in messages in her Twitter stream. Barr’s original tweet was a retweet of a post by a new Twitter user who appears devoted to disseminating the Zimmermans’s address and phone number, as well as contact information for Joseph Oliver, who has made numerous TV appearances in support of Zimmerman, a friend and former coworker.

  199. President Obama’s budget was defeated 414-0 in the House late Wednesday, in a vote Republicans arranged to try to embarrass him and shelve his plan for the rest of the year.

    The vote came as the House worked its way through its own fiscal year 2013 budget proposal, written by Budget Committee Chairman Paul D. Ryan. Republicans wrote an amendment that contained Mr. Obama’s budget and offered it on the floor, daring Democrats to back the plan, which calls for major tax increases and yet still adds trillions of dollars to the deficit over the next decade.

    “It’s not a charade. It’s not a gimmick — unless what the president sent us is the same,” said Rep. Mick Mulvaney, a freshman Republican from South Carolina who sponsored Mr. Obama’s proposal for purposes of the debate. “I would encourage the Democrats to embrace this landmark Democrat document and support it. Personally, I will be voting against it.”

    But no Democrats accepted the challenge.

  200. James, I watched the surveillance video … at least the one ABC is touting. Contrary to what I thought, it wasn’t taken at the crime scene. It was taken at the police station. It is odd that Z doesn’t appear injured in any way. No discoloration on his head or face. No discernible grass stains on the back of his jacket.” – R

    Clearly R, you’re not very good at this. Focus on the 49 second mark…

    Since we’ve seen media reports that said that the police rendered aid to Zimmerman, it is pretty elementary to assess that they probably cleaned him up. Swelling and bruising won’t come immediately and that video is not nearly clear enough to tell anyway. I’d check this out as well.

  201. LAKE MARY, Fla. – In the moments before Florida neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman fatally shot 17-year-old unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin, the teen slammed Zimmerman’s head into the ground and threatened his life, Zimmerman’s father claims.

    In an exclusive interview with myFOXorlando, Robert Zimmerman detailed his son’s account of the night, claiming Martin beat his son for over a minute and told him something along the lines of, “You’re going to die tonight.”

    Of course, you’ll bemoan this because it is from a Fox affiliate- which seems to be the only news service using journalism to investigate this.

  202. Of course he means “ear mark” hypocrisy which if you understand how “sausage is made” is not hypocrisy at all. But then that spoils the narrative, and we all know how important it is to stick to the narrative, especially when your only talent is aping it anyway.

  203. The plot thickens, as James said. Apparently Zimmerman was under a domestic protection order. No one under such an order can have weapons in their home, let alone carry one.

  204. I also read Zimmerman was under a domestic protection order but that it had expired. Otherwise, as Poolman wrote no one under such an order can have or carry fire arms. The police reaction shows that either Zimmerman could legally carry a weapon, or the police were operating a cover up.

    JustOneMInute:Last Map Of The Retreat At Twin Lakes shows Google maps and traces the two mens’ apparent routes based on the police reports and conjecture.

    Someone wrote in the comments section that Skittles is a street term for MDMA or Ecstacy. That doesn’t mean Martin was high. It is something I didn’t know before. It is in the same class as when our therapist daughter told us nutmeg can give one a high.

    Re Bill Mahre’s bubble comment. Liberal commentators appear shocked that the insurance buying mandate may be in trouble, and by extension most of the law might collapse. Obama’s budget didn’t collect even one Democratic vote. Did the administration really believe people would vote for it, or was it another political move? Does Obama understand what deficites will do to us within our lifetimes? His behavior suggests otherwise.

    Obama told the Russians to wait until after the election for him to give them what they want. He lied about the source of our new oil production and which presidents made it possible. He thinks his re-election is a near certainty. Either the fix is in, or Obama could rightly be called President Bubble Boy.

  205. The Mail on line has another tragic story. OKsana Makar’s mother posted her description of what happened to her while the teenager was still in the hospital. Oksana was gang raped, beaten and set fire. She lost 55% of her skin.After failing to strangle her, they wrapped her in a sheet, dumped her in a pit and set her on fire. A man who heard her moaning found her the next day.

    One of the three suspects was the son of the regional administrator, and another was the son of the regional prosecutor. They were arrested and released for lack of evidence.The police said they didn’t question Oksana because she was unconscious.
    Her mother said she was awake and talking.

    One of the men allegedly described the attack on a YouTube video.The police explaination angered the country. A Women’s rights group, Femen staged a topless demonstration in Kyiv chanting “Death to the sadists:”

    Other demonstrations and public rage similar to what we see here led the president to order the general prosecutor to oversee the case, and the men were rearrested.

    Doctors amputated the girl’s feet and her arm to keep her alive. “…the blonde-headed young woman said ‘How will I live? I will live. That’s all.'” She died after two weeks.

    All of the characters in the Ukrainian tragedy were white, so instead of race, the issue was higher class privilage and connections which created two standards of justice.

  206. A thirteen year old kid supported Zimmerman’s story. I heard ABC News released her name. Their agenda is showing.

  207. I don’t understand what the issue with the workplace aspect. He works with him. So, there’s more contact.

    That would be fine of Oliver just said “I’ve worked with him” but he didn’t …. he hemmed and hawed and finally acknowledged they worked together. Why all the hesitation? I’m telling you Tigre, you’re so down on O’Donnell that you’re not paying attention. There were a couple of moments in that interview where Oliver’s answer just seemed odd. Maybe my answer would seem odd too if I was being attacked on national TV?

    You call someone a murderous racist without foundation, someone that knows the accused can say “that’s not all consistent with with I know about him.”

    I hope that was a generic “you”. I’ve never said that my conclusion is that Z is a racist.

    The voice analysis of the 911 tape will be quite revealing. Good lawdy, if the experts say it was Z who was crying for help, it will sure make Trayvon’s mama look pretty stupid: “I know that’s my baby.” Yikes!!!!

  208. However, you package poolman’s inconsistencies as “free thinking”.

    Now, that I don’t understand.

    Maybe “free thinking” doesn’t quite capture it. More like “free imbibing”. Unlike most of us who summarily dismiss lots of things, I think Poolman is willing to CONSIDER just about any concept no matter how “out there” and then come to his own conclusions. I think he’s more open to alternative explanations than most of us are.

  209. I sent the Cicero Klan Rutherford’s address – and told them he was married to a white woman. 😮

    Who’s the Cicero Klan? I was going to say to Rabbit, for every celeb who retweets private addresses, we need someone in the know to tweet THEIR private addresses (and hell, throw a phone number in there too).

  210. I had predicted over at M&H’s a month ago that this latest incident would raise Limbaugh’s ratings. They had been waning over the past few years. He needed something like this to put him back in the spotlight.

    Playing the left against the right and vice versa does keep us all busy fighting among ourselves.

  211. A serious if possibly naive question:

    Where does the Constitution PROHIBIT directing citizens to purchase a product? Does not the Constitution talk about the “general welfare” of the populace which would be served by the mandate?

  212. i picture Rutherford as a biter when cornered.

    I’m more of a scratcher. About the only personal hygiene issue that I will cop to is that I don’t cut my fingernails frequently enough. 🙂

  213. Really, what is fucking wrong with you guys?

    You get no argument from me G. Sadly their celeb clout prevents them from getting their Twitter accounts terminated, which is the least that should happen.

  214. Who’s the Cicero Klan?

    I don’t know? A bunch of fat, balding white guys with girl and prostate issues, probably. You know, like those neo-Nazi types in the Blues Brothers. Go ask your wife – she’ll get the cheap humor.

    😀

    Oh, and Rabbit and me. I’ve got a tin foil hat hoodie.

  215. These ‘D’ rated celebrities like Thumbtack Lee and RoseAnne Barr should be charged with reckless endangerment and prosecuted. In addition, if it were my name, they would be meeting with an attorney, including the district attorney.

    It’s one thing to joke with your friends on a blog in a give and take with insults, but quite another to give out somebody’s address to thousands and thousands of people – knowing fully well, out of those thousands, there is bound to be a few loose cannons willing to go looking for blood.

    I’m glad to see you feel that way too, “R”.

  216. I’m not sure Limbaugh’s ratings had waned much, Poolman. I could be wrong, but I think Limbaugh still pulls in about 15MM listeners a day.

    It’s an incredible achievement, considering that Limbaugh basically does a three hour monologue – love him or hate him. Why do you think the Liberals have spent the kitchen sink to try to find somebody to compete with Limbaugh? The bottom line is, they can’t.

  217. Limbaugh does have his audience. But according to the Business Insider last May, his ratings had fallen off by 30 percent in the previous six months. I don’t know how they figure that with radio audiences. I think all talk radio audiences had waned and he was just part of that trend.

    I think he’ll be around for a long while. I used to listen to his show around 1990ish. I think that was his heyday.

  218. The Media Matters attempt to get rid of Rush was bigger than he was. They had planned the operation for a couple of years and were waiting for the opportunity to attack. It didn’t work because many people realized that if the left could drive Rush off the air, they would go after someone else later. Eventually, they would have removed all on air opposition to their views.

    Rush’s ratings also went up because the uproar attracted curiosity and a sense that to listen to his show was to stand up to the liberals who were trying to stifle freedom of speech.

    Western Christian churches are losing members and attendees because worldly distractions make people drift away. Asian, African and other Churches which are embattled minorities are strong because the cost to be a Christian is obvious and requires commitment. The same applies to some domestic conservative denominations.

    I believe a similar psychology exists in both cases.

    I did some research. The Supreme Court has never held that the Commerce Clause even when aided by the Necessary and Proper Clause can be used to require citizens to buy goods or services. If it does, it will deprive the Commerce Clause of any effective limits. It would create police powers indistinguishable from those reserved to the states by the Bill of Rights and would thwart the constitutional scheme of “few and enumerated powers” assigned to the federal government.

    “In 1798, Justice Chase wrote ‘An act of legislature contrary to the great first principles of the constitution cannot be a right excercise of legislative authority…A law hat takes property from A and gives it to B is against all reason and justice for a people to entrust a legislature with such powers.’ This analysis applies equally to citizen to citizen subsidy that occurs through the Obama Care mandate.” (Changing Your Stripes Dr.Matt Moody).

    This mandate is as much a lie as LBJ’s Gulf of Tonkon Resolution which buttressed the buildup in Vietnam. Had the Democrats created a new tax and spread it evenly among the population there wouldn’t have been a constitutional problem with the tax. The Democrats lied about the cost and created the mandate to hoodwink the people.

    Yahoo News reports that previously unknown obligations created by Obama Care will create a $17 trillion funding shortfall. When combined with existing Medicare and Medicaid funding shortfalls tax payers will owe an extra $82 trillion over the next 75 years.

    President Obama promised the law would cost $900 billion over ten years and would not add one penny to the national debt. He and the national media lied.

    You took issue with me after I wrote this mandate if proven constitutional will change our lives forever. I am right about this, and you are wrong.

  219. We had a problem with someone around home. My wife and I complained to a friend. He said “I know someone in Chicago. Do you want me to call him?” “NO!!!”

    Perhaps our friend knew someone in the Cicero Klan.

    One of Al Capon’s brothers was a sheriff fifteen miles from our home. Maybe there was a connection.

  220. “You’ve been asked before to identify where the Constitution allows the Government to force you to purchase a commercial service from a private corporation.”

    Where does the Constitution say the Supreme Court has the right to strike down a law as unconstitutional?

  221. Another curiosity is how it is the Supremes get to rule on a law that hasn’t gone into effect yet? I thought you guys were against abortion? This is snuffing out the law before it has even come to term.

  222. This is from memory of a high school history class. President John Adams appointed Willam Marbury to be justice of the peace under the Judiciary Act of 1801. Thomas Jefferson ordered Secretary of State James Madison not to honor the appointment. Marbury sued.

    The Supreme Court ruled that the mandamus section of the 1789 law was unconstitutional. And so began the principal of judicial review which gave the Supreme Court the right to strike down laws it believed were unconstitutional.

  223. I am pro- choice, therefore, I am not against abortion, though I believe it is murder.

    How can the court snuff out a law which is not yet in effect? Good question. El Tigre, aren’t you a lawyer? HELP!!!

  224. Limbaugh does have his audience. But according to the Business Insider last May, his ratings had fallen off by 30 percent in the previous six months. I don’t know how they figure that with radio audiences. I think all talk radio audiences had waned and he was just part of that trend.

    May be true, but I would guess that radio audience for politically based programming is much a factor as when the next election cycle takes place. I’m guessing radio pretty much correlates to cable TV ratings – the closer November nears, the larger the television audience.

    Just a guess.

  225. Thor, old pal.

    I thought your Zags made a good showing in the tournament, but got an unlucky draw. I was surprised at how good they looked against Ohio State, even if they did fall. Very competitive.

    I’ve still got one team left – my favorite team, Kansas. They have truthfully overachieved, so I am guessing tomorrow is the end of the line, but the ride sure has been fun.

    Ironic that last year, I thought Kansas and Ohio State clearly the two best teams, and neither made the Final Four. Now that they each lost some of their more renown stars to the NBA, both made it.

    College basketball is a crazy game. I’m still trying to figure out how Missouri lost to Norfolk State. I would have guessed Missouri with their kind of fire power would have won by 40. Truthfully, Missouri was probably the best team in the Big XII this year.

  226. “…for every celeb who retweets private addresses, we need someone in the know to tweet THEIR private addresses …” – R

    Ooooo. Very good, Rutherford.

    ~

    The Fat Grannies mob would have outed ole’ Jimmy for this gem –

    “I never have believed that Jesus Christ would approve of abortions.” -Jimmy Carter

  227. “I never have believed that Jesus Christ would approve of abortions.” -Jimmy Carter

    Really profound, that Jimmy. 🙄

    Wonder what his first clue was, being in the patriarchal society of antiquity in which the Bible was written, having children was the absolute most prized thing a woman could do and children considered the blessed fruit of the womb – well documented from Sarai to Elizabeth.

    Of course, that still puts Jimmy two steps ahead of the typical Fat Granny Planned Parenthood gangsta.

    The typical member of Fat Grannies, not the folks who appear here on and off, but the hardcore Palin hating, abortion rooting misandrists of which Fat Grannies infamous, don’t even raise to the level of useful idiot.

    Just reliable idiot.

  228. Anybody here own or have used an all in one PC or Mac? I’m going to have to buy a new computer, and I started looking across the net.

    They look pretty neat and pretty handy. Don’t need a tablet – want something with a bigger screen.

  229. As a pretty literate techie, I’m embarrassed to ask the question … Tex what do you mean by all in one? The CPU box and speakers are attached to the monitor?

  230. Well I can claim with head held high that I pretty much dropped Mr. Olbermann when he moved to Current. I tuned into his early broadcasts only to see him make snarky remarks about his former employer and wish poor ratings on former allies like Rachel Maddow.

    Keith served a purpose for a time and then flamed out. I think Current was his last hurrah. I honestly don’t know who would hire him now. 😦

  231. Gorilla, I’m very impressed. You’re becoming a black radical!!!!” – R

    Technically, as a Gorilla, we were the original “black”. I’m just saying…

    Where does the Constitution PROHIBIT directing citizens to purchase a product? Does not the Constitution talk about the “general welfare” of the populace which would be served by the mandate” – R

    Your question is a Red Herring and irrelevent because of this:

    The Tenth Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

    Which brings us back to the initial point- where does it say that the government can do this? The Tenth Amendment puts the onus on you, not us.

  232. This occurred in Bobby Rush’s Congressional District. We call this poetic irony

    (Chicago Tribune) — At least two people were killed and 11 others wounded in violence across Chicago overnight, most of the victims from just two shootings on the West and South sides, according to police.

    Suspects were being questioned in one of the shootings, the killing of a man near his home on the Far South Side, officials said.

    The worst shooting occurred around 6 p.m. Thursday when two men in hooded sweatshirts opened fire inside a convenience store in the 1400 block of West 79th Street in the Gresham neighborhood, police said.

    One man was killed and five others were wounded. The victims ranged in age from 16 to 24. The gunmen fled in an SUV and police continued searching for them this morning.

  233. As a pretty literate techie, I’m embarrassed to ask the question … Tex what do you mean by all in one? The CPU box and speakers are attached to the monitor?

    Like this “R” – don’t worry. I hadn’t heard of them until this morning. The keyboard and mouse are wireless too. Kind of a tablet, but much larger screen and keyboard, but not truly portable.

    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=cat13506&type=page&skuId=4921811&productId=1218577555548&defurl=false&h=387

  234. I need to take a closer look but I thought I read that Obama’s budget was tacked onto something else as an amendment … in other words, not voted on as its own entity. So the zero Dem support is a distortion.

    The vote came as the House worked its way through its own fiscal year 2013 budget proposal, written by Budget Committee Chairman Paul D. Ryan. Republicans wrote an amendment that contained Mr. Obama’s budget and offered it on the floor, daring Democrats to back the plan, which calls for major tax increases and yet still adds trillions of dollars to the deficit over the next decade. Emphasis mine.

  235. Regarding the all-in-one, Tex, my wife has seen them advertised and they do look pretty cool. Apple’s been making these for ages … great to deploy in college computer labs where space is at a premium.

    Confession: Cheapskate that I am, I enter every and I mean EVERY survey that promises to reward a random participant with an iPad. Hell, if I saw a survey asking about my menstrual cycle, I’d enter that too. 🙂

    Needless to say, I haven’t won squat yet. Once my business can land a decent size contract, I’m going to upgrade my iPhone. I’m still on a 3G that won’t accept an iOS 4 upgrade so I’m hosed for any new apps that require iOS 4. Not sure I’m ready for Siri yet though. She kinda freaks me out. 😯

  236. Rabbit, your phone works fine, it’s just your fingers typing the wrong damn handle that are lousy.

    Is the Galaxy an android touch phone? My wife just got an android after finally getting fed up with her Blackberry. How you like it so far?

  237. “Thor, old pal.
    I thought your Zags made a good showing in the tournament, but got an unlucky draw. I was surprised at how good they looked against Ohio State, even if they did fall. Very competitive.” – Tex

    Good to see you back, Tex. Yes, the Zags did well. I knew Syracuse would go down, but when the NC point guard broke his wrist, it blew up my brackets. I no longer have a dog in the fight so I will pull for your Jayhawks. I don’t mind the Kentucky kids, but their coach is a slime ball. Rock, sock, Jayhawk. 🙂

  238. “The Supreme Court ruled that the mandamus section of the 1789 law was unconstitutional. And so began the principal of judicial review which gave the Supreme Court the right to strike down laws it believed were unconstitutional.” – J

    So the Supreme Court gave itself the power? Sounds like an overreach that would infuriate most conservatives.

  239. Gorilla, interesting what you say about Droid vs Apple. Based on my wife’s recent purchase I’ve been reading articles comparing the two.

    Folks who don’t like control (like folks who don’t like government mandates 🙂 ), love the Android environment. The OS itself is open source and getting apps onto the platform is relatively easy.

    iOS on the other hand is heavily regimented.

    Here’s the rub. iPhones almost never get infected by malware/viruses. Droid’s do. This is due to the fact that iOS is so tightly monitored and apps have to jump through lots of hoops to make it into the Apple app store. Since I don’t like to live dangerously, particularly on my smart phone, I prefer Apple’s approach.

    R, where are you?

    I’ll take you literally and assume you meant geographically. I’m in Naperville, Illinois.

  240. Is anyone on the board familiar with the health care model in Vermont? I heard Howard Dean bragging that health care is real peachy in Vermont without a mandate.

  241. I no longer have a dog in the fight so I will pull for your Jayhawks. I don’t mind the Kentucky kids, but their coach is a slime ball. Rock, sock, Jayhawk

    Rock Chalk, Jayhawk. 😉

    Yeah, a shame about Marshall’s wrist. I’m not sure Kansas beats NC with him playing. Nonetheless, NC had five other McDonald’s All Americans playing too, and Kansas simply outplayed them the second half. It’s not like that poor, white kid they put in Marshall’s place played bad. If memory serves, he had one turnover in two games.

    Don’t expect Kansas to win tonight, but if they are shooting well from the outside, they could. When they are hitting their 3s, they are very difficult to beat and very good. Self has done a great job with less talent this year.

    I agree with you about Calipari. He is the ultimate scumbag, and I would bet within three years, Kentucky is on some sort of probation with their title stripped. That’s Calipari’s history. I’m a little suspicious when I see four or five of the nation’s Top Ten recruits playing for the same team. That’s twice in three years – something doesn’t smell right.

  242. These devices are getting so smart that us lazy humans can get even lazier. They even anticipate our next move and remember better than we ever can. Now that we’ve been dumbed down we need this smarter interface.

    Always at hand, like a nurturing vine.

    Just like the Sistine Chapel ceiling’s painting, a virtual touch of divinity. Look how our youth are drawn to its luster, lured to its beauty.

    Who is like it?

  243. Rabbit I think one game changer with the smart phones has been access to email. Takes the phone to a whole new level.

    By the way, how good is the PHONE? We get so enamored of the tech that we forget a cell phone’s primary function is to make PHONE CALLS. 🙂

  244. I have a real love/hate relationship with this technology.

    The quantum sciences really interest me. We are learning more of how real cellular life processes and disseminates information the more we seek to improve and advance the virtual world.

    It is fascinating how much we have been able to learn and do and improve lives. Like the new apps that allow even illiterate folks to communicate over the web to gain and share knowledge. I read recently how farmers in India are doing it with icon apps. Or the vast moves by providers in providing of free wireless web access to impoverished areas. That is cool.

    But it is a two-way street. Behavioral data IS being mined, for better or worse. You can’t get everyone to carry a cell phone, even if it is provided free. Some of us are a little chicken. 🙂

  245. We have an older cell phone, but we don’t play music, text or take pictures with it. We have cameras and computer e-mails for that. We own two 1999 Fords and a 1991 Festiva. They still run, so why replace them? Our computer is seven years old and though we nearly replaced it last week, it is working fine now. Our parents raised us not to be extravigant.

    Midwestern and Brazilian farmers have a strong connection because we are competitors. Farmers visit back and forth to learn from each other. Like farmers in India, Brazilians have leap frogged into cell phones and global positioning. Many more of them can speak English than we can speak Portugese.

    Our children don’t have to write in cursive any more. A neighbor was in Des Moines when the power went out. Mall clerks couldn’t make change because they didn’t know how.

  246. “By the way, how good is the PHONE? We get so enamored of the tech that we forget a cell phone’s primary function is to make PHONE CALLS.”

    Phone calls are the least thing I use my ‘Droid for (and I’m definitely an Android over Apple fan, currently on the HTC Evo). I only want to talk on the phone for meetings (often have meetings with folks in Florida/California) and a family/friends that live elsewhere. Otherwise, my friends and I just text to coordinate seeing each other person or impart quick bits of info. The rest of the tech on the phone is what I’m really after and I hate the control Apple implements in iOS. I can manage my own security and exercise my own judgement over the apps I decide to download.

    “They still run, so why replace them? … Our parents raised us not to be extravigant.(sic)”

    If your cars, phones, computers still run and you get what you need out of them, then don’t replace them. But if you want other things out of your transportation and tech, it’s not extravagant to upgrade. And if you have the means, why not? It’s also a matter of prioritization. Younger generation is prioritizing tech over transportation these days (forgoing cars for example). I’d want a car better than a ’90’s model for better mileage and capabilities, for example. My husband wants a great computer for gaming and needs the same capabilities (memory, space, speed) for work. I need certain capabilities for work as well. All that goes into the choices you decide to make. I roll my eyes at the condescension inherent in this statement that because you choose a lower tech lifestyle you are somehow better than those of us who choose or prioritize differently in terms of technology.

    “Our children don’t have to write in cursive any more. ”

    Will someone please try to explain why this is at all a big deal? I get the dismay over not being able to count change without a calculator, but what is the societal significance of cursive over print writing? I have shitty handwriting no matter which style I use.

  247. This one is for El Tigre and FN2:

    Chris Hayes this morning RETRACTED the story that Trayvon Martin himself made a 911 call prior to being killed. The source of the story WLS TV in Florida said they reported this in error.

  248. My, my, my…

    If only someone had warned NBC News that they were giving a prime-time platform to a vitriolic, race-hustling charlatan. Oh wait–we did. Even some journalists on the left did. Recently uncovered video from over twenty years ago has Al Sharpton, in his own words, bragging about his ability to manipulate the media to draw attention to his race-hustling agenda. And he’s playing out his blueprint to a T in Florida today.

    In the video seen below, Sharpton brags about his ability to manipulate the media through his grandstanding, demonstrations and marches. He pats himself on the back over being able to convert a “one day story” into an international sensation by giving the media what they want: drama, contention, provocative images and charges of racism.

  249. I always get a chuckle when the cursive writing thing comes up. I learned cursive and block lettering. I also learned all about the history of the written language, of type and printing, and the many styles of font while attending college.

    When I lived in Germany, the students would perform perfect cursive writing, always in ink, a requirement for them to achieve good marks. Good penmanship was tantamount to receiving good grades in Deutsche schule.

    Looking back, much of those skills are lost today. Perfection is easily achieved with standard computer software.

    My wife practices calligraphy, an art that is again becoming popular. She used to do wedding invitations and special award placards. There is a niche market now for hand-lettering.

    My grandkids’ writing is often messy or illegible. I make them use an eraser often and start over with the intent of producing neat and perfect form. But it doesn’t last. Soon, like their peers, they’ll have their own communication devices and will be text messaging in that alternate form of English we have all been exposed to.

    Ultimately, the written and spoken language needs to communicate a clear and precise message. It matters not how neat or perfect the form is, only that the message is properly imparted. I still feel we have far to go to get to that dimension. In many ways we have gone further away from that goal. 😐 All lot of talking without much being said or learned.

  250. What makes Sharpton any different from Limbaugh, even without half his brain tied behind his back? Of course they can MANipulate™ the audience. Why else would anyone employ them? This isn’t unique or new to the majority of us.

    *yawn*

  251. Ahem, power’s the key eh? Yes, yes, there are no black racists- why ever would anyone think that there were?

    News flash genius: you’re the only one who believes that shit. A racist is a racist, regardless of what race he or she is pulling for. It’s just as fucked up as a white/black guy voting for another white/black guy purely because he’s white/black. Racism is racism.

    PALMDALE, Calif. (AP)Seven black teens have been arrested on suspicion that they committed a hate crime when they attacked a 15-year-old Hispanic boy while he was walking home from school in Southern California, according to the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Office.

    The March 14 beating in Palmdale was captured on video and posted on YouTube, but has since been removed from the site. The seven boys, ages 13 to 16, were arrested Wednesday for investigation of assault and committing a hate crime, Lt. Don Ford said.

    The attack happened near Cactus Middle School, but Ford didn’t know if any of the teens involved were students there.

    The video shows as many as 10 boys surrounding the victim and challenging him to a fight. The suspects then began hitting the teen while others watched.

    During the beating, the teens made racially derogatory statements that were captured on the video, Ford said.

    After the victim fell to the ground, the assailants kicked him multiple times in the head, knocked out several teeth and left shoe impressions on his skin, Ford said.

    The victim was able to get to his feet and escape the onslaught, and will need to undergo dental surgery.

    The teens who were arrested were identified from the video, which was discovered by a Palmdale sheriff’s deputy and has been retained for evidence. Authorities are not releasing the video.

    Police are seeking three more suspects.

    An arraignment date has not been set yet.

  252. I thought Hispanic was white. When do we make a distinction? Heck, I think most Arabs are considered Caucasian. We certainly hear about plenty of their “hatred”.

  253. White? Arabs have a very strong African and Asian influence. Of course, in the purest sense, they’re Semites, ahich means they’re most closely related to Jews.

    Another case of irony…

  254. If you really want to see a nation that promotes racism, aka Apartheid, check out the state of Israel. That’s racism WE support.

  255. I’m not saying I’m better than anyone, in the same sense that you are not saying you are better than I for choosing higher tech. You all wrote about your tech toys, and I said we have a different, not better than thou attitude. Save your defensiveness for when you need it.

    Our parents survived the Depression and the Dirty Thirties. They also suffered periodic hard times when we grew up. My wife and I did too, especially during the late 1970’s and 1980’s farm depression. We learned the meaning of sweat equity and making do. Even then, we nearly lost the farm as many of our neighbors lost theirs.

    We live in a thinly settled county with mostly Germanic-British attitudes toward money and how to spend it. A friend, who also has plenty of money now has the same problem. His children tell him he is living poor when he doesn’t have to. He and his wife don’t even own a computer. Self reliance is still king here. We keep a large supply of food in case we are snowed in, and we are equiped to cope with power outages lasting several days or more. We have guns because the law is too far away to help us in time.

    If my wife and I want something or decide to travel, we do it.

    I think cursive writing is a skill which should not die. I don’t want to be dependent on a machine to communicate on paper. I also like to hold a book when I read it, though we might have a Kindle some day.

    Again, I’m not better than anyone here, just different.

  256. Arabs are Caucasians and their genetic material is more closely related to Nordics than the Japanese are to Southeast Asians. You are right, they do have a negroid component as southern Europeans do.

    Yes, Jews and Arabs are Semites. The irony has struck me too. They look alike.

    Hispanics are mostly white, but they can be black too. Many are mixed with Indians, especially in parts of Mexico and central
    America. Don’t tell a Brazilian or Argentine he/she looks like an Indian. It won’t end well.

    My Finnish aunt and cousins have slightly slanted eyes in spite of blond hair and light skin.

    Except for a few direct descendents of the Cro- Magnons, we are all a mixture.

    The difference between Rush Limbaugh and Al Sharpton besides the brain power is that Al is a racist who’s actions have indirectly killed people and damaged lives.

    Jan Shakowsky is right, there is a lynching. Zimmerman is the one being lynched.

  257. My Dad has a Frankenstein like scar on his head because he was beat and left for dead due to his skin color. I wonder if Rutherford would tell his racial theory to my old man’s face?

  258. Cursive sucks and always has. James, there is a reason they banned it in the military. Its too hard to read, no matter how eloquent.

    This fancy phone of mine is not getting any easier with this touch screen typing. Expect my comments to even be more dumbed down then normal, if thats even possible.

  259. Do you think a Brazilian would down play their Indian blood? Argentines, Chileans and I think people from Paraguay are mostly of European decent. Argentina is shockingly Italian. but then again I was surprised how many cubans are of chinese descent.

  260. Hey Huck- Told ya so…

    (Reuters) – Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood, in a policy U-turn, said on Saturday it would back its deputy leader for president, an endorsement that guarantees Khairat al-Shater a place among the frontrunners after the group initially said it would not field a candidate.

  261. Gorilla,

    Poolman is clearly suffering from oikophobia.

    It is a pretty common phobia amongst the disenfranchised American haters I have met. You’ll note, white supremacists always mix in a form of some Christian new age religion (burning crosses), and you can get a real idiot and monster in the mix. Poolman just doesn’t have the anger most of them typify in behavior. I think many of the most severely mentally deficient have actually convinced themselves they are doing God’s work – like Poolman.

    Read any studies on white supremacist and you’ll find if you scratch one, both Jew hatred/blame, and Rutherford’s favorite psych term “cognitive dissonance” is a large part of the neurosis. Jew hatred is kind of an offshoot of the malady.

    Jews make an easy target, due to envy, history, small in number, and the fact Jews do hold a disproportionate amount of power for a demographic across the globe. Jews make the perfect conspiratorial menace.

    No doubt, Poolman would make an interesting case study. The worse the economy gets, the more I think you’ll see these mentally ill types rear their ugly head.

  262. Obviously the very definition of racism escapes you guys. If Jews are not able to legally intermarry with non Jews, no matter if they are religious or secular and according to the laws of their state, well that kind of seals the deal.

  263. I picked Kansas-Kentucky in the final, so I’m pretty excited about this. I’m pulling for Kansas, but Kentucky is going to be really hard to beat.

  264. My SIL is pure Apache. His “people” were here before the European whites AND the African blacks. The indigenous have been treated like second class citizens for some time in America.

    Unlike the Palestinians however, there have been many attempts by our government at reconciliation.

    “They’re not simply war criminals, they’re fools.” – Sir Gerald Kaufman

  265. Kansas is my team, but they haven’t played well in the tournament yet. If they play like they are capable, they will give Kentucky a much better game the so called experts think and could win with a few breaks, unless UK plays lights out like they did against Iowa State.

    If Kansas plays like they’ve played in this tournament, they’ll get beat by double digits.

    I actually kind of like Kentucky as a team, but I loathe their greasy coach. I haven’t liked him since he was at UMass. Every program Calipari has coached, he has left on probation. And I got a real strong feeling there’s a lot of “boostering” at UK going on as we speak.

    Do you realize UK’s top eight players are all 5 Star Recruits? There’s about 20 of those a year on average even available. Something doesn’t smell right when you can recruit five of the best ten players.

    Remember the Fab Five at Michigan. We find out 20 years too late every one of them were being paid big bucks.

  266. “He and his wife don’t even own a computer. Self reliance is still king here.”

    How is not owning a computer indicative of self reliance? I don’t care if you don’t want to own a computer or not, but that’s nothing to do with self reliance.

    ” think cursive writing is a skill which should not die. I don’t want to be dependent on a machine to communicate on paper. I also like to hold a book when I read it, though we might have a Kindle some day.”

    Don’t get either statement. Cursive isn’t the only way to communicate without a machine. I think people need to be able to write with a pen and paper, but what does it matter whether it’s block or cursive? Hence my question, what’s the big deal with cursive?

    Paper book vs. Kindle: irrelevant. The important thing is being able to read. What does it matter whether it’s on a printed paper or an e-reader? If electronics go away my ability to read doesn’t rely on the technology (printing press vs. Kindle) that I’m reading it on.

  267. Muffy, Im not trying to speak for James, but I think some people either just simply enjoy the aesthetics of cursive (which I can relate to in someway) or feel it represents a pride in work.

    I disagree with the latter. I’ve seen some unbelievably shitty cursive. My favorite to read is very neat print.

    It was awesome watching Buckeye tears tonight.

  268. I like it Poolman. Only I don’t refer to it as IWhine. I refer to it as I Rich. What’s there to whine about? Matter of fact, I own every one of those stocks, except Apple – which I was too chicken to purchase at $200 like a fool.

    It’s why I never fear paying the light bill and you…well you scramble away from the authorities and bill collectors.

    So here’s my technical gift to you and your old lady.

  269. Regarding 367, Rabbit I think you meant to direct that comment at GypsyKat not Muffy.

    GypsyKat, I think you’re missing the nostalgia embedded in James’ comments. I think folks who talk mournfully about tech replacing older methods (like an old fashioned newspaper) see their past slipping away. They place a certain value in “the old way of doing things”. I’ve heard many folks talk about how a kindle just can’t duplicate the way a newspaper “feels” in their hands.

    I don’t really think it’s a matter of pulling a superiority thing. I think it’s just mourning the passing of a bygone era.

  270. I still prefer a book over a Kindle (my wife and I share), and still prefer a newspaper to a web page. For one thing, I can read it much faster.

    Just my preference….

  271. So here’s my technical gift to you and your old lady.

    Appreciate the thought, but we already have the upgraded version.

    That one looks like the Manuel manually operated one. 😀

    Oh, right. April fools. Here we go.

  272. It would appear that, like in all cases, there are two sides to the George Zimmerman story.

    http://times247.com/articles/new-high-def-video-vindicates-zimmerman-s-account

    What baffles me is that twitter and other sites allow “kill Zimmerman” accounts to stand. Ditto the press’ lockjaw about the New Black Panthers’ reward offered for Zimmerman’s “citizen’s arrest.” What if it were a black fellow who had killed an Hispanic Jew instead of the other way ’round? Wonder if they would be silent then – or would they be screaming RACIST NAZIS!? (No, I don’t really wonder – I know.)

    I envy you, Rutherford. Must be nice to be a member of a protected group in this country. I sure am tired of the West Virginia jokes…hmmm…..I wonder if former Hillbillies qualify for some kind of special coddling….I’ll get back to you after some research.

  273. What is the deal about everybody taking potshots at Apple? They have been quietly taking care of business providing great products; nobody gave a red rat’s ass when they were about to go under, but now that they are doing extremely well it seems that people just can’t stand it.

    Reminds me of living in West Virginia. People there don’t look kindly upon success. Oh well, I guess sour grapes isn’t just confined to Hillbillies anymore.

    Full disclosure: bought Apple @ $40. !!!!!

  274. Thanks for supporting my comments about cursive writing, etc. I am not a Luddite, but I do mourn the passing of a “by gone age.” I’m really, really old, and I have a long past. Besides, cursive reveals a little of the personality of the person who wrote it. And I do enjoy the esthetics of cursive writing, even when I struggle to read it.

    Brazil is a big place, and we know many Indians, blacks and Indians live there.I based my comment on Brazilians I have met and what I read on line, they consider themselves to be of European descent. Argentina, Brazil and neighboring countries have a “European flavor” according to a travel site I read.

    A YouTube video called Brazilian School was made to show a normal school for foreign sister schools. Near the end, “as you can see in Germany and Europe, our country is not a forest. We don’t have trees everywhere, and we don’t sleep with monkeys. Our house is not like made of wood. We are just like you. You are just a bit more in the technology advantage, but we are not Indians, OK?”

    Poolman, that Indians were the first people to settle America is now up for debate. First an ancient skull in Washington state was part of a court battle over whether it was Indian or Caucasian. Tools and weapons almost identical to what Cro- Magnons used fifteen thousand years ago have been found in America. Blond, blue eyed mummies are in western China.

    A few Cro-Magnons still survive, mostly in northern Europe.

    One palentologist described the white race as in retreat while Asians slowly drove it back toward its European homeland. That changed, later of course. People battle populations unlike themselves for stuff and power. We destroy one another, even when we are cousins. It is in our nature.

    I like foreign flash mob and other videos because they unwittingly educate us. A teacher friend uses them in her geography classes. Another educational video is The Dandy Warhols-Sleep 2000-Thirteen Tales from urban bohemia up loaded by rayoflightcanada. It gives a good picturial history of the Middle East after the Balifor Declaration.

    LIke Rutheford, I am also part of a protected class. When political correctness began, some universities listed Vietnam Era veterans with blacks, gays etc. I believe our people were also listed in one of the fair hiring laws too.

  275. I also learned college students in Chili can do the Shuffle.Liet International 2010:

    Jousnen Jarved is as close to a Cro-Magnon band we will see today. They are part of a tiny enclave which still speaks Vepsian, Many are still pagans and a nick name is the magic people. The leader said they are white American Indians.

  276. Why in the heck would Nam vets need special “protection”? It dosnt surprise me, considering the era, someone came up with that one.

    James, how mamy tours did you do?

  277. @Rutherford
    I’m sure this was said somewhere in this thread but…

    #1.SYG is good law and a good law. You are just flat out wrong in your thinking.
    #2. ALEC is icky ‘cuz it offends you and yours. Your bias and dishonesty on it is rather disgusting. You hate it when folks go to think tanks and the likes,what of when your side does it? Do you deny they do?
    #3. Well you got that one right for the most part.

    The reason WHY the murderer hates his victim is irrelevant except perhaps in some sort of legal defense (e.g. the murderer had suffered abuse from the victim in the past). Hence labeling a crime a hate crime borders on redundant.

  278. I’m siding w/ James on a number of matters.
    Overreliance on tech is folly,always has been ,always will be. (unsinkable Titanic?)

    Cursive has a place for sure and in cases of clear and concise communication it doesn’t have a home. But to think a generation that doesn’t understand cursive writing is somehow on par with a generation that doesn’t know what a 33.3 or 45 rpm record is absurd.Cursive writing speaks to a very human skill set that should not die away. JUST like knowing ones times table….do we need to open that “well there’s calculators…” s#4t ??

    On a side note for the technophiles. You hear about the story of the staffer in Kuwait who over relied upon the net to find the Kazak national anthem ended up playing Borat singing???

  279. Poolman, that Indians were the first people to settle America is now up for debate.

    The indigenous peoples that “white man” found in the land were not the first to live on the continent. Many of the Indian tribes tell of stories battling a white people that had red hair and were giants, some as tall as 12 feet.

    Early 20th century findings support their stories.

    http://www.helium.com/items/1814848-nevadas-mysterious-cave-of-the-red-haired-giants/print

    Many also believe the Vikings (who were cannibals) came over well before Columbus “discovered” the “new world”. There are artifacts and sites corroborating those beliefs.

    It is difficult to truly know what the real history of the world is. Much of the information has been suppressed. This is evident in the discovery of the remains of giants. Most of those findings have been covered up. My best guess is that their existence helps validate much of the Bible’s claims, of which modern “science” has been more apt to dismiss.

    It is the same regarding pyramids and the ancient Egyptian civilization. There have been discoveries over the years proving their kingdom extended to most continents. These things just don’t fit the given narrative.

    Some people have tried to warn us. Often they are discredited or silenced. This first video of a book narration provides good information, I feel. The entire book is good, but I am not certain how accurate all of it is. Part one is a very informative piece, however, and puts much in perspective.

  280. The face of feminist liberalism (and I’m completely serious). Look and read about this buffoon – a perfect caricature of what got Obama elected. Reeducation camps for everyone but the sociologists!

    http://www.infowars.com/climate-change-skepticism-a-sickness-that-must-be-treated-says-professor/

    Rutherford, I expect this from the retreads. But you? Can you make the attempt to understand why I define in all seriousness modern day liberalism as a mental illness?

  281. dead rabbit, I was in the Air Force for four years and out of the US for two of those years. I was a medic, not a fighter. I made Ssgt in under four years, which was considered good at the time.

    Real combat veterans survived a blizzard. I was in a heavy snow squall.

    The closest I got to Vietnam was a base which secretly trained South Vietnamese, Thia, and Laotion pilots. They were tough men, but friendly, mostly with poor English skills. It was fun going to chow with them because they all were shorter than I. . I also saw two ear necklaces there. Someone told me New Zealanders started the practice. Vietnamese had a phobia about being damaged before the after life.

    I met some of the boat people in the US–some of the nicest people one would hope to meet.

    I turned in an extortion and prostitution ring shortly after I arrived on a new base. We were isolated and lived in quansit huts almost a mile from the main base. My superiors had been trying to “get” them for a long time, but everyone was afraid to turn them in.

    My superiors used me as bait to goad them into doing something violent so they could press heavier charges. Ironically they had to change course when I was nearly charged.

    You know human nature. After awhile everyone turned against me because I had snitched.Some joined the bad guys. It was an unpleasant four months. I didn’t know I was being watched, and not well enough.Several were caught trying to booby trap my locker with explosives. They tried to poison me and to crush my head with a large rock. I’m alive because as amatures, they weren’t very good.

    One of my hut mates was so mad at me for signing a statement, he moved out and the others left because of fear. I was marked, so that no one had anything to do with me. The squadron had an office pool betting on whether I would be hospitalized or killed and also when. The isolation was the worst part. I had no way of locking doors, and I often woke with fifteen to twenty-five threatening men surrounding my bed. I trained myself to wake up angry. I also had a knife under my pillow.

    They mildly tortured me one night to scare me into recanting my statement. It made me a 1.5% disabled veteran. It was the reason I got a knife. I wish I had had a knife that night. They all were eliminated over the next year through accidents and bad discharges. Some went to jail.

    One of my fondest moments came when I was on call. The man who had broken into our hut and who I had named had been in a nasty accident. Part of a windshield had sliced off half of his face. It was hanging down like a flap showing some of his teeth and cheek bone. Doctors sewed it back on.

    I returned to the US and civilian life and made such a connection with a flight attendant she moved me to first class so we could visit during her breaks. I told her some of my adventures and when I left the plane, all of the passengers gave me a standing ovation. That was my parade.

    My brother returned after two tours in Vietnam, and people threw tomatoes at him. Two guys insulted my cousin after he returned. Another student told me in grad school “you don’t belong here you fascist. We’ll get rid of you.” after I told them I was there on the remains of the GI Bill. Several tried and failed to sabotage my work. I turned the tables on them and got an A while they had B’s in one class. I learned to assimilate and lied about my service.

    A job counselor told a Navy friend that his employment chances would improve if he told a prospective employer he had been on the road for four years. I asked someone, and he told me the same. I tried another counselor, and he told me if I was determined to reveal my past, my best option would be to sell college text books.

    I had an anger problem in those days. I finished the term and left to farm. I haven’t set foot on the University of Iowa campus since. I smashed about 25 transistor radios during the first summer I farmed.

    Ten years ago, my wife and I were in an office supply store. They were selling work place signs describing hiring practices under a civil right law. As I wrote, Vietnam Era veterans were among the favored. I told my wife some bleeding heart liberal must have written the law.

    My experience broke me apart, but I fixed myself, and I have lived a good life. I am happy, self-confident and tested. My wife and I are still in love, and we have two good kids. Even our dog likes me. Best of all, I kept the promise I made to a teen aged girl and her father who burned to death in a wrecked truck. It will be good when I die, because no one deserves to suffer as they do night after night.

    Sorry to write such a boring reply, but you asked.

  282. Thanks Alfie.

    Yes, Poolman, it is possible white people were in America with the first Indians. Vikings were some of my ancestors. They may have eaten other people, but they took baths. An English monk wondered why. Their settlement in Labrador predates Columbus’ voyages. Columbus traveled to Iceland before he began his first voyage. It probably was not to see the glaciers or to sample the night life.

    Scandinavians tend to be tall people. Relatively pure Cro- Magnon’s who still remain in a few places, tend to be even larger. Some of the mummies buried in western China five thousand years ago, were also very tall. Women were as tall as six feet four.
    Such people would look like giants.

    I agree that oral histories can reveal a lot after the mythological parts are eliminated. Paleontologists calculated the date and time of a major eighteenth century earth quake in Japan after studying oral traditions shared by indians in Vancouver.

    Do you remember I gave you a link to a story about the remains of a 12,000 year-old city which existed before such settlements should have? It is well preserved because its residents buried it in sand before they left.

  283. Poolman, did you know that a small percentage of Icelanders have Indian genes? A larger group shares Nordic and Irish genes.

    I agree with Tex. Liberals as a group are sick. Some conservatives are too.

  284. Human genetics is an interesting field of study. You have been commenting on that for at least a year now, James. I have no doubt there are few pure strands, if any, left this far into humanity.

    I think my genetics are pretty diverse on my father’s side. Mom’s are more concise, she being full-blooded Italian. My eyes are brown like hers, whereas everyone on my dad’s side had blue eyes, I recall.

    I think you noted the blue eye gene was traced back to a certain point in history. Someone told me brown was the dominant gene. I don’t know how true that is. My brothers both have lighter colored eyes, one hazel and the other a lighter brown than mine. Dad use to say I was full of shit to the eyebrows and that was why my eyes were brown. 🙂

  285. Poolman, when I get enthusiastic about something, I am still like a kid. I hope I haven’t bored you.

    Yes, most pure Cro- Magnons are long gone. The few possibilities include people in the far north beyond the reach of Neolithic farmers. At least three waves of people entered Europe.

    A Danish geneticist discovered blue eyes were a mutation north of the Black Sea 8 to 10 thousand years ago. Cousins apparently married often, so eventually two people with the recessive gene produced a blue-eyed baby. It might have been killed for having an evil eye or not. Maybe people thought blue eyes were hot. They did have survival value in cloudy places.

    Your father’s and my ancestors may have migrated from Ukraine thousands of years ago.

    Its interesting that your brothers have lighter shades of eyes. Your father’s joke is funny. Imagine what your mother’s family must have been like. Maybe they were part of the Roman Empire.

    Have you watched “Who do you think you are?”

  286. James, any time someone has “hut mates” you know it aint easy duty. Did you turn in an American prostition ring or one run by Vietnamese?

    I read somewhere that the stereotype of Nam vets is one of the most inaccurate of all stereotypes. Contrary to the bum underneath the bridge meme, they on average are incarcerated less, make more money etc.

    My brother and I actaully encountered some anti vet bias on job interviews. I had to promise I wouldn’t recruit kids at the current high school I work at, as if militery vets go arpund recruiting. My brother encountered negativity in the finace profession. After passing all 3 CFA tests the market imploded killing his dream of being a finacial analyst. Even today, fundamentals arent so important like they used to be. Its all macro stuff. He ended up becoming a debt counselor.

  287. I understand the enthusiasm. I’m the same way. If I get hooked on something, I can spend days on end without sleep or food pursuing it. My wife just shakes her head anymore. She knows me and gave up trying to change me a long time ago.

    I have not watched “Who do you think you are?” I also have not participated on any of the ancestry sites, figuring they need my info more than I want theirs.

    We live in a data mining culture and I am just obstinate enough to want to go against that flow. I don’t even do surveys or polls, especially when they offer something of “value” in exchange. It stuns those trying to understand why I refuse.

  288. I can only speak to what I’ve heard. James’ brother’s experience is more typical of Nam vets.

    So Rabbit, they’re protected for the same reason LIBERALS protect other groups — to even the playing field and make up for past injustices.

    James, libs learn from their mistakes. If it weren’t for libs Vietnam vets would continue to get no respect.

  289. Alfie, it’s bad law for the reasons I stated.

    ALEC facilitates the dissemination of conservative skewed bad law. It’s more than a think tank. It’s the typhoid Mary of legislation.

  290. Libs learn? Libs were good for Nam vets?

    The only you guys are good at is revisionist history. Such bullshit…

  291. If it weren’t for libs Vietnam vets would continue to get no respect. never have been spat at upon return, been called baby killers at the airports, dealt with SDS and Weathermen on college campuses, have won the war.

    That comment was so historically inaccurate and specious, it required correction.

  292. Vietnam is a very good example.

    We had no justification to go there in the first place.

    It is now a declassified fact that we were lied to about who started it.

    Those we fought were fighting for their freedom from imperialism.

    We left it much worse than we found it and the death toll from our actions continue to this day.

    Don’t blame the veterans, but definitely blame those who sent them.

  293. Rutherford…..WTF???????? Are you on drugs????????????
    Serious question!
    Your response in 390 is the equivalent to saying “duh”.

    NRA involvement in crafting law….Oh noes!!!
    Koch brothers…oh noes!!!
    Pathetic. Revisit the likes of Soros before you start to cast stones.

  294. I sometimes wonder whether some of you (Gorilla, Tex) ever got past fifth grade reading comprehension. I said libs learn from their mistakes. This was an acknowledgment that libs were some of the most vile anti-war people in terms of how they treated our vets. Someone prove to me that placing Vietnam vets in a protected class was a Republican effort. I submit it was not. Libs learned from their mistake and moved to properly right the wrong of Nam Vet discrimination.

  295. Alfie, it’s beyond “crafting” which is the very reason of existence for lobbyists. I submit that ALEC makes it EASIER for bad law to get enacted across the country, state by state.

  296. “Rock Chalk, Jayhawk.” Tex

    Sorry, I should have googled it. 🙂

    What’s the origin of that, anyway?

    Looks like your team got it right. Go Kansas!

  297. Really R? Burden of proof is on you.

    By the by, do you really think libs don’t treat vets today in deplorable ways? Really R, you’re out of touch.

  298. Secondly, there has not been a change in how the assclowns of the 60’s and the assclowns today. Do you not remember Dick Turban calling our soldiers Nazis?

  299. Am I missing something re Vietnam Vets being a “protected class” The only I am aware of is the thing back in 1974 that didn’t help individual vets in the private/public sector only the Fed secondary to contracted work then 2002 saw JVA remove them from that.
    What am I missing?

  300. @ 402
    a “some” between “believe” and “liberals” is needed to make that even remotely true.
    R don’t take it too hard but it is the nature of the beast. Liberals hate wars but are sadly all too open to starting them and then being like “What me”?. Of recent importance is how liberals embrace veterans not because they like the vets but because there is an ancillary cause to be bolstered. Gay marriage,mental health and environmental issues being three right off the top of my head.
    I’m not gonna say the right doesn’t employ the same stuff but to think lib/progs are somehow repentant of something ingrained in their collective DNA is insane.

  301. @ Rutherford…
    as for our base disagreement here on post item. We’ll just have to agree to disagree what is and what isn’t bad. For me allowing the citizenry to strike fear or at least reasonable concern for their safety in2 the hearts of felons is a good thing.

  302. Alfie, when I worked in corporate, Vietnam vets were identified as a minority on a par with race, gender and sexual preference in terms of protection from discrimination.

  303. I believe liberals today hate certain wars without hating the soldiers who fight them.” – R

    I’ve been in uniform and spit on. I’m not a Nam vet.

  304. If you don’t own a computer, you depend on your car, your phone, or the mail to deposit money and to do other business. If the site goes down or the lights go out, you don’t have to wait for technicians to fix anything. You just go about your business.

    My brief time with the Southeast Asians was fine. The bad time was on a British base.

    dead rabbit, they were our own guys. As I wrote, the squadron was mismanaged, and discipline was lax. Our base had the highest suicide and alcoholism rate in the command. Everyone worked by day (but not in my section) and things went bad at night. Men did leap out at me from doorways and I learned to adopt a Karati stance in an instant. They were pretty gullible. I think some actually believed I knew martial arts. I tried everything I could think of to make them think I was more formitable than I was.

    After the bad guys were gone and we got a new commander life improved, but after six or eight months I kept getting angry. Even so, I could do no wrong. Can you imagine what should have happened after I shook my fist in a major’s face? Nothing happened. I refused to get my hair cut, so they hid me in the x ray room when the general came around. It finally soaked into my thick skull that my superiors were feeling guilty for what had happened, and they were giving me a free ride.

    During the worst of it, everyone was my enemy. Suddenly, it ended, and everyone was my friend. Can you say trust issues boys and girls?

    Other adventures included the night one of my hut mates had a reaction to drugs he and someone in pharmacy had created to sell to the locals. He woke screaming “I”M BLIND!!!” His eyes had rolled to beyond his eye sockets. The man who helped him was terrified to see no pupils. The man chinned himself over a toilet in the latrine because he was afraid he would die if he fell asleep.

    I was in a single- engined air plane which mistakenly made an emergency landing on an Italian air base. Poolman’s mother’s countrymen were unhappy. I am one of the few Vietnam era veterans to have been detained on an Italian air base.

    My cousin said so many soldiers were having fast draw contests the commander ordered most of the weapons locked up. The night the CQ who had the key was off base was the night the Viet Cong attacked. One of the sappers killed during an attack was my cousin’s barber.

    The Viet Cong put babies along the road and wired them to explosives.

    An airman who was trapped during the Tet Offensive fought his way to shelter and waited for some Marines to rescue him. He was so shaken, he dropped his M-16 and left it behind. A week or two later, he was back looking for the weapon. The Air Force threatned to bill him if he couldn’t produce his weapon.

    An American construction company was building a highway both sides needed. The Viet Cong didn’t bother the Allies by day, and our side returned the favor at night.

    Viet Cong soldiers feared only one group of soldiers–the Koreans.
    A group of South Koreans visited my brother’s base and for a fee, they made what looked like a high school year book.

    I sometimes thought if we were America’s best, the country should be very afraid. But what do you expect with 17 to 26 year olds fighting a war? We were just kids doing men’s work.

  305. I was watching Sharpton down in Florida stoking racial tensions without knowing what happened. I thought to myself, Rutherford is right. The libs do learn. 🙄

    I felt the same way hearing stories about how many Gulf war veterans were treated, the worthless and misguided OWS movement, the President stepping into local matters and making comments he should not be making, class warfare, Afghanistan, entitlement spending as a means to lift us out of recession. . .

    shall go on?

    If there;s one thing for certain, libs never learn.

  306. I submit it was not. Libs learned from their mistake and moved to properly right the wrong of Nam Vet discrimination.

    ** Barf **

    Is that why many of you “loving libs” were openly rooting for American deaths in Iraq to score political points in 2004 and 2006, called the military mercenaries in the Washington Post, liberal Senators called our military strategy and technique “gulags”, voted in majority of the first Gulf War, and about a million other examples of just how mendacious that statement of yours was?

    Because you liberals “learned?” You people are the most disingenuous slugs on earth. I doubt even many libs believed that. 🙄

  307. Did they spit at the uniform or at you? There is a difference. I don’t think spitting at people appropriate, but it is a form of protest and disgust. Usually folks have to be pretty angry or just plain gross to get there.

  308. if there;s one thing for certain, libs never learn.

    If they “learned” wouldn’t they cease to be libs? Isn’t the “learning” you request more akin to conforming? Just asking…

  309. I thought “learning” libs were called progressives, anyway. I also know that liberals generally have others’ interests at heart, which isn’t bad in my book. How they think those interests need to be met is often questionable, and there are plenty that pretend to have others’ best interests at heart and they really don’t. There are plenty of fakers in all camps. Plenty of selfish and controlling folks in all camps. People are messy and stupid. They need a sheepherder.

  310. Just catching up a little. Preliminary comments:

    GK, what crawled up your defensive ass? Strike that. The fact that you can’t fathom what James was discussing when he mentioned self-reliance is proof you’re not. You sound like someone that would be curled u in the fetal position if power went out Starbucks.

    R, I see with Alfie you’ve repeated your conclusory assertions about SYG and ALEC bereft of any analysis but plenty of ad hominem. I posed some perfunctory questions/suggestions for you in #4 and elsewhere. I think what amounts to why “specifically” might be one your fictitious law professor might ask. You get an “F” until you show your work.

    James you asked a question about challenging a bill that hasn’t been enacted. I don’t “get” your question. Are you talking about Obamacare or something else? You lost me.

    Enquiring minds want to know.

  311. I usually believe as you about geneology sites and polls, Poolman.How far back can you trace specific ancestors?

    Rutherford, I often disagree with you, but I consider you one of the good guys–just misguided as you believe I am.

    However, there is a class of unregenerate liberals who are sick or evil. Consider the Vietnam war.Whether or not we should have fought there is a separate issue. The fact is we DID fight there. We distorted the Southeast Asian and especially the Vietnamese economy and society. We recreated them into a perverted image of ourselves. At least we did in the cities.

    The country was hetrogenious, but it had a large group of people who had fled from the north. They were dedicated to freedom. The South Vietnamese often fought bravely, and they made lavish use of mobile air power as we had trained them to do. This was in spite of the fact that for a long time, we didn’t give them as much equipment as our soldiers had.

    The Montingard tribesmen were very good and dedicated fighters, and they continued after we left most of the fighting to the South Vietnamese. The South was holding its own, but Congress led by the anti-war movement stopped aid. We all know what happened next. A man told me he wept when Montenyards radioed they were being over run and they needed help. All he could do was turn off the radio. Of course we remember the South Vietnamese who waited for rescue helicopters which never came and the pilots who ditched their craft near our ships. Those people trusted us to stand by them as Hungarians and Kurds trusted us in other times.

    I met a boat person survivor who watched his mother die as he had to choose which sibling to rescue. 26 members of his family died.

    Joan Biaz said, “maybe we were wrong.” She was one of the liberals R wrote of. Jane Fonda was unrepentant. Trash like her survives across this country including on the other forum. I shook hands with her once and didn’t spit in her face. i wonder what would have happened had I followed my instincts.

    Some of those people still hate us. Its politically incorrect to express their true emotions. I don’t know who tried to make Vietnam Era veterans a protected class. Probably liberals. I do know that during the late seventies some liberals attempted to turn veterans into victims who had been miss led by the people who supported and ran the war. They used us as surely as the bigots and opportunists are using young Martin.

    As I wrote I thought I was sick for many years, but I was wrong. Those beasts are sick if not evil.

    Does anyone else have war stories more interesting than my boring stuff?

  312. “Isn’t the “learning” you request more akin to conforming? Just asking…”

    Excellent point. 🙄 Repeating the same conduct over and over ain’t learnin’ and it ain;t conservatism. It’s insanity.

    For R, it’s disingenuous and par for the course (a/k/a bullshit).

  313. “#2. ALEC is icky ‘cuz it offends you and yours. Your bias and dishonesty on it is rather disgusting. You hate it when folks go to think tanks and the likes,what of when your side does it? Do you deny they do? – A”

    Yeah, God knows what they’ll think of next. I mean, if they can come up with the health care mandate, who knows what that liberal,lefty think tank called … the Heritage Foundation will come up with next. 😉
    Doh!

  314. James , I find you “boring stuff” most interesting. Maybe not Platoon, but interesting to a younger guy like me. My Dad fought in Korea. He was disgusted by the treatment of Nam vets by many libs,and is to this day. I followed his cues because I respect him and his wisdom. I was baby at the time.

  315. El Tigre, someone asked why the Supreme Court should rule on the mandate part of the health insurance law when it is not yet in force. The implication was that they should wait until the law is in effect.

    My first instinct is that even if the law has not been enacted, it is still the law and can be ruled on. However, I am not a lawyer and someone like you knows far more than I do.

    It doesn’t matter if someone was spitting at the uniform or the person who wore it. The distinction fails when you are wiping salva from your face. No one spat at me. Some called me names and said I was virtually unemployable, but mostly for me, it was the mood I saw in the country. And as I wrote passengers in an airplane gave me a standing ovation.

    My Finish cousins declared themselves to be Swedes, while I told people I had not served. Assimilation.

  316. “GK, what crawled up your defensive ass? Strike that. The fact that you can’t fathom what James was discussing when he mentioned self-reliance is proof you’re not. You sound like someone that would be curled u in the fetal position if power went out Starbucks.”

    I can fathom what James was discussing, I just didn’t agree that upgrading was extravagant in and of itself. But that it depended on what one’s needs and wants are and how one prioritizes that. To simply call it extravagant without any complexity or context was what I found a bit condescending. As well as the idea that technology itself is the evil here. RE: the Kindle vs. a book. Who cares which one you prefer, either one tells me you can read which is the core skill that is needed.

    As for your presumption that I would curl up in the fetal position if the power went out, you do jump to hasty conclusions. I regularly spend days out in the back country. Regularly unplug from tech. And have a lifestyle that could withstand a zombie attack (btw, it’s quite fun to create a zombie attack plan with your family and friends; shows just how prepared you might be in a disaster). I strongly believe in knowing the fundamentals of all core skill sets from reading, writing, and math to survival skills like building a fire, a shelter, and foraging for food.

    But I do tire of blaming the tech for all the ills of society. And while waxing nostalgic is not only fine, it’s lovely, the I’m so superior (e.g. not extravagant) because I drive an old car just gets old. I thought James followed up with a very good explanation for his feelings that makes a lot more sense to me now. But his initial statement came off as condescending whether he meant it to or not. As does yours (though I’m pretty sure you meant it that way).

    Tone, the Internets sometimes obscure it.

  317. Did they spit at the uniform or at you? There is a difference. I don’t think spitting at people appropriate, but it is a form of protest and disgust. Usually folks have to be pretty angry or just plain gross to get there.

    I wasn’t going to split hairs at the time. It was in San Francisco (of course) and the only thing that saved him from the ass-whooping of his life was the airport security that saw him do it.

    I never provoked him, nor did I ever lay hands on him- one of the true regreets of my life.

  318. Ah. James, you have seized on the arguments made on day one (of oral arguments before the SCOTUS). It is a question of “justiciability” under what the concepts of “ripeness” and “standing.” As simply as I know how to put it, courts must have an actual justiciable controversy to acquire jurisdiction over a matter. They are not permitted to issue what are referred to as an “advisory opinion. It’s rooted in the concept that to fully and fairly adjudicate an issue, one actually suffering harm must be the one prosecuting the action. Theoretical interest and harm doesn’t count. It’s logical if you think about it.

    I did not pay much attention to the arguments. I’ll go back and look. In a nutshell, the government argued that until someone is actually fined (taxed, whatever) there was no harm. However, the bill was “enacted” and is law. I suspect that easiest argument is that, although the mandate has bot been enforced, it exists and is already coercive. In other words, the mandate has already affected behaviour due to the compliance portion (which is also directly linked to economic aspects of the bill).

    Now, I’m shooting from the hip. Let me go back and see what was actually said and by whom. Justiciability is a threshold determination for the court. My understanding is that government’s arguments were not persuasive. Suffice it to say, the issue is largely controlled by very subtle analysis from prior cases and extremely subjective in day to day cases. However, i suspect that the government made a case that runs head long in to existing precedent since it hung so much on semantics rather than effect (i.e. tax, verses penalty, versus “personal responsibility).

    Good question. I am not familiar enough with the details of the bill to be more spcific at this point. But the bill has been enacted, and the mandate os operative although compliance delayed.

  319. You actually earn more respect by not retaliating. That makes his act of protest or disgust null and void. Had you given in to your instincts, he would have won that “bout” in spite of how bad you may have kicked his ass.

    I remember being at Buckingham Palace while tourists taunted the guards, trying to elicit a reaction. It wasn’t out of disgust, moreso a curiosity. They were intensely stoic. I takes much more discipline.

  320. GK, it looks to me like you and James corrected yourselves sufficiently.

    And yes. Virtually everything I say to liberals here is condescending and sarcastic. I hate empty assertions and find that blogging libs rely on them too frequently.

  321. You still don’t get it GypsyKat.

    I will try again. When I learned that employers didn’t want my kind I felt betrayed as I had been when my superiors put me in harm’s way and again when I watched how our country discarded its contract with the young warriors it sent to battle. My being told I should lie about my military service was the last straw. I promised myself that insofar as it was possible, I would never again let others determine my destiny. I haven’t, and it has worked well for me.

    Upgrading to something you don’t need merely because it is better IS extravagent. You either need it or you don’t. If you don’t need it, it becomes a luxury. Our old cars are in good condition and they still take us where we want to go, even to Canada.. What is the point? Maybe the sound system is better or the seats are temperature controlled in a new car, but we reach the same destination. Moreover, car thieves ignore our cars.

    Of course we need people to buy new toys. If they didn’t jobs would be lost. I don’t feel superior to you or anyone else. I am describing my attitude toward life and showing it is part of a long-term family and regional culture. I also spend money on expensive toys once in a while.

    Thanks for the good words about my stories El Tigre. Thank God they weren’t of Platoon quality.

  322. Tell it to Rutherford. I guess it depends on what the struggle was about. After all, they though they had won over Christ.

  323. Thanks too for your legal explanation.

    Once again, I don’t feel superior to Gypsykat.

    “Now some people say that you should not temp fate, and for them I cannot disagree. But I never learned nothing from playing it safe. I say fate should not tempt me. I take my chances every chance I get.” Mary Chapin Carpenter I hope you all can live that way too.

  324. “Upgrading to something you don’t need merely because it is better IS extravagent. You either need it or you don’t. If you don’t need it, it becomes a luxury. Our old cars are in good condition and they still take us where we want to go, even to Canada.. What is the point? Maybe the sound system is better or the seats are temperature controlled in a new car, but we reach the same destination. Moreover, car thieves ignore our cars.”

    Good for you. Your car meets your requirements. As I stated, no need to upgrade if you don’t have requirements that newer tech meets. I merely noted that others may have requirements that then need upgrades and that isn’t necessarily to be categorized as extravagant. For example, I require better mileage (not sound systems) from my car. Therefore I have a newer car. Younger people are prioritizing smart phones over cars. Great, meets their requirements. Between my desire to get off of cable/satellite companies and my husbands wants in certain technology, we have the console that meets our requirements. I don’t think we’re differing, but I don’t consider any of our decisions extravagant or not. My only quibble was the seeming indication that any upgrade was automatically extravagant.

    As for your service, I have neither commented upon it nor degraded it so I’m not sure what you think I’m not getting about it. I value above measure every individual that serves in the military. I despise anyone who takes out their issues on the members of the military, instead of those who made the decisions. I’m deeply sorry for your experience after your service, but I had nothing to do with it (I either wasn’t born or not yet eating solid food) nor do I perpetuate it with the experience I do have with returning service members.

  325. called our military strategy and technique “gulags”

    Bad example. Military strategy criticism is not a smack at the soldiers on the ground. It’s a slap at the boys at the Pentagon, potentially the President, and the high ranking folks in the field (by high ranking I’m talking the likes of Petraeus and McCrystal back in the day).

  326. Good question. I am not familiar enough with the details of the bill to be more spcific at this point. But the bill has been enacted, and the mandate os operative although compliance delayed.

    I know this may shock you Tigre but the “good question” was originally mine. Comment 304: Another curiosity is how it is the Supremes get to rule on a law that hasn’t gone into effect yet? I thought you guys were against abortion? This is snuffing out the law before it has even come to term.

    I think your argument Tigre would actually make the mandate off limits in the Court consideration. It has not gone into effect. No one has been “harmed” by it in any way shape or form. The entire argument hinges on the harm it will do in the future.

    Slightly off topic, I finished listening to Day 2 today (although I’m tempted to listen again because there is so much back and forth). I believe one very simple reason the prognosticators are so down on the government argument is simply a matter of style. Virelli sounded unsure and nervous. Clement and the other guy (Cavin?) sounded confident and almost cocky in their delivery.

    It bears repeating that it is the proper approach of the justices to ask provocative questions regardless of their opinion. You cannot conclude from the questions how the court will rule. Conservative lower courts have ruled the law constitutional. Despite all attempts to guess, we won’t know the outcome until June.

    Also, a 5-4 ruling in either direction will be viewed as the Court engaging in politics. One almost has to hope for a 7-2 or 8-1 decision to eliminate any suspicion of political bias.

  327. Breathing through a tube is not winning…
    — Gorilla

    Tell it to Rutherford. I guess it depends on what the struggle was about. After all, they though they had won over Christ. — Poolman

    Could either of you two tell me what you’re talking about? I’m lost.

  328. I have a friend that had three brothers that served in Vietnam. One was always very quiet, stoic. He became a Washington State Patrolman. Another planned on going to seminary, but when he returned home, said after what he had seen, he couldn’t do it. Brilliant guy, talented writer, just bounced from odd job to odd job. The third did two tours then came home and drank himself to death. None of them ever mentioned being spit on. I certainly hope they weren’t.

    Thank you, James.

  329. You’re welcome thorsaurus, I wish it had turned out differently for them.

    Gypsykat, I consider “I roll my eyes at the condescension” to be a hostile comment. You did more than “merely note”, you “sounded” defensive and hostile because you misunderstood what I was writing.

    If you “need’ to upgrade technology or a car because your job or other circumstances require the investment, it is not an extravagance. If you “want” to buy an upgrade because it would be fun to own or the upgrades are cool, it is an extravagance if you could survive without it. Extravagance is good. Without it, our unemployment rate would be higher than it is. So, yes, we basically agree unless we want to argue about the meaning of a word.

    Our Taurus and Escort get pretty good gas mileage. Our Festiva’s approaches 40 MPG. Our old pickup died two days before our daughter graduated from college. We bought a pickup and borrowed a van for only one reason–to move our daughter out and to have a vehicle to haul her stuff to grad school. We aren’t afraid to spend money when we need to.

    If you combine my past culture, military service, and society’s reaction to it, you will understand why your eyes shouldn’t have been rolling after my earlier comments. I was trying to explain why I was not condescending as you thought. I was explaining a life script circumstances and I chose for myself. That’s why I brought it up.

    You sound like a nice person, and I enjoy reading your comments. I know you had nothing to do with what happened many years ago. No one I have met did. However, people come in several repeating types, and over time I can recognize who would have tried to kill me and who would not. I keep it to myself and watch. If the opportunity presents itself, a chance comment can inflict more pain than a fist.

    A person from the other blog told me she was beginning to understand me better and defended me during the name calling. However, she told me in an e mail she still had “issues” because some of my comments had hurt her friends’ feelings.Good for me!

    Most there thought my military stories were a ploy for sympathy, but they were a warning.Those people might be smarter and more knowlegable, but I wouldn’t give up until I had driven them from the field either in disgust and anger or for a shattered viewpoint. As I told them, they were surrigates for men long dead. When Tex showed up, I thought “d…. he’s good!”

    Paula Cole’s “I Don’t Want to Wait” tells the story pretty well and not just for veterans. Survivors of tornadoes, bad divorces, crimes etc must adapt to trauma also.

    My only complaint about you is I wish you wrote more often.

  330. “I know this may shock you Tigre but the “good question” was originally mine.”

    My apologies Justice Lawson. Then the question is dumb. 😆

    I don’t get the abortion thing though. Maybe it’s buried. As I said I was trying to catch up.

    “I think your argument Tigre would actually make the mandate off limits in the Court consideration. It has not gone into effect. No one has been “harmed” by it in any way shape or form. The entire argument hinges on the harm it will do in the future.”

    Oh. Then there was nothing argued during the first day and the Government’s reliance on the Ant-Injunction Act was unnecessary. 🙄 So the government didn’t need to take contradictory positions on whether the mandate was a tax or penalty? Nice try. 😆 There’s a reason why the nomenclature has been a key feature of the arguments. If it’s a tax, there’s a statutory prohibition to considering the case. If not, common law doctrines apply. This ain’t a tax — it’s a penalty (I know there’s been different arguments made however they are weak as the majority of Justices saw in correcting the ill-conceived a implemented changes in nomenclature offered by the government at different stages of the case). My unfamiliarity with the common law analysis of justiciability controlling this issue (unlike other cases I do handle) is why I said I needed to look into it.

    But Rutherford says he knows, so maybe we just need to move on and know that SCOTUS won’t render an opinion on the substantive issues urged even by Rutherford’s own party for the most obvious reasons imaginable. 😆

    As for not harmed “in any way, shape or form,” I love how you can’t imagine the “injury” (effect). Like my firm’s health insurance carrier that decided to get out of the business in this state because of the bill. Or the 13 Plaintiff states that have to put in place administrative, compliance and enforcement mechanisms well in advance of the law, or the businesses that have to figure out how to budget for the change? I assure you that the arguments of ripeness and standing (Constitutional case or controversy requirement) were not devoid of merit and in fact resisted by the government itself. As I said, the issues of justifiability are very subtle.

    “It bears repeating that it is the proper approach of the justices to ask provocative questions regardless of their opinion. You cannot conclude from the questions how the court will rule.”

    That’s generally true, but this instance is most unusual because of the questions which presuppose many of the government;s arguments are specious R. It’s true that questions don’t always speak to ultimate opinion, I can speak to that personally, but Kennedy’s , Sotomeyere’s and Alto’s questions were particularly telling. Although I know your beloved MSNBC will put a face on it, anyone without an agenda knows that these arguments don’t bode well for the government. The government knows it too. By contrast, you don’t have a clue about the process (as revealed in prior comments) and again appear to be repeating MSNBC again. In fact, I recall you simplistically mocking the Constitutional issues you don’t bother to understand referencing State car insurance laws (the distinction with the federal personal mandate completely eluding you). I love how you’re now an expert on “the proper approach.” 😆

    James, the ripeness arguments in most stuff I could locate on the Internet took the issue for granted and said little about the particulars. I’ll see if I can’t get my hands one of the principal or amicus birefs and see what was really said about the issue. Contrary to what Rutherford seems to believe, what I said was not an “argument.” Rather it was observation on a threshold issue in all such cases. It is no surprise he will discount anything that confirm his desire to “win” on this issue.

    Rutherford, your reading comprehension stinks.

  331. PF, there’s more of that crap to go around. The video at the police station was finally scrutinized and appears to show the injuries to the back if the head. You should’ve seen R’s friend Crazy Larry O’Donnell blathering on and on about how the video was proof that Zimmerman’s account was made up — including his ability to emerge from the cop car without laboring too much.

    Zimmerman may be a scum and went hunting to ill him a “coon.” The police and prosecutors may have dismissed any effort at serious inquiry because they too were racist and had little value for the life of a black teenager — or higher regard for a White Hispanic with a Jewish last name.

    But the fact that the media and agitators need to spin the events at all is itself a powerful indictment that the left seems willing to ignore. The irony is just breathtaking.

  332. Thanks El Tigre. I know you are busy, so whatever you learn is appreciated.

    I agree, we don’t know the facts of the case, but the leftist media and other liberals’ attempts to try and convict Zimmerman before any trial is a fact for all to see. Irony is lost on the left.

    A USA Today?Gallop poll shows Obama gaining among women in swing states. He is now ahead of Romney. The media and Democrats twisted the religious freedom into a debate over contraception and Republicans did little to stop them.

    Why should they change? Its working for them.

  333. Could either of you two tell me what you’re talking about? I’m lost.

    Although I felt Gorilla “won”, he was explaining the condition he wished he had left the fella who spat on him.

    I was trying to infer two things:

    One, your “breathing through a tube” was a win for you.

    Two, sometimes the person who gets beat, even if unto death IS the winner. This example is more a case for martyrdom.

  334. Interesting development

    Actually this surprises me. When the 911 tape first broke, I swore I heard the dispatcher ask Z what race the kid was. So I actually never was under the impression that Z volunteered race without prompting.

    Now if we could just get Z to tell us whether he said “punk”, “goon” or “coon”.

  335. James, I’m curious about something. Do you feel you were in any way duped by your superiors in the service? If I understand your story correctly, you were recruited to snitch on this prostitution/extortion ring. It sounds like you were used to achieve an end and then not protected when the going got rough. Am I misunderstanding?

  336. Do you feel you were in any way duped by your superiors in the service?

    I’m guessing you don’t understand how all these hierarchical organizations typically function. What other means do feel are employed to get kids to kill other kids they don’t even know?

  337. Tigre, you’re so charming when you get snarky.

    FWIW, I understand the difference between ACA and car insurance. It’s possible to live a full life without ever driving a car. It is highly unlikely to live a full life without ever visiting a doctor. So I get it. The first mandate is imposed only if you choose to enter the market. The second mandate is basically inevitable.

    I’m surprised you haven’t brought up the point of sale issue. I found that quite interesting. The notion as I understand it, is that the unconstitutionality goes away if the mandate kicks in only when the first “purchase” of health care occurs. So long as you don’t visit a doctor or go to an ER, you don’t have to buy insurance. Once you do visit, you must then buy the insurance at the point of sale. The problem is that insurance under this scheme would be quite expensive since everyone who buys it would technically have a “pre-existing condition”.

    I really didn’t mean to come off like a know-it-all in my prior comment. I know you get your undies in a knot when you think I’m “playing lawyer”. If businesses are really doing lots of stuff preemptive to the mandate kicking in, then I must agree some “harm” is already being done.

  338. Tigre, one more question, perhaps stupid (I’m just a layman you know). Doesn’t this whole thing really revolve around the 10th Amendment. Isn’t the mandate as a method really irrelevant? Isn’t the argument really that the Constitution does not explicitly grant the Fed the right to mandate a purchase, and therefore that right falls to the individual states?

    This however, leads me to another question — couldn’t folks in Massachusetts also oppose the mandate, take it to court, and end up right at the Supreme Court again where they would have to make an assessment?

    The more I think about it the more the 10th Amendment seems a catch-22 in a way. Anything not in the Constitution falls to the states but the states CAN implement laws that are unconstitutional on a Federal level.

    Seems more complicated to me than it might be at first blush.

  339. PF, there’s more of that crap to go around.

    On a more benign level, the stupidity of it all is that everyone is playing Perry Mason (or to be more accurate Hamilton Burger). Who of us is really qualified to look at a grainy videotape and draw accurate conclusions?

    With each passing day it’s becoming more and more absurd.

  340. And a difference in who’s being insured. Auto is “for the other guy” — much like I carry malpractice insurance (although surprisingly not required to).

    As Kennedy pointed out, this scheme does in fact seek to fundamentally change the relationship between the federal government and individual. These are very, very important issues, so I hate it when I’m met with passive “do-gooder” arguments about constitutionally unrecognized “right” to healthcare.

    Now what gives with the abortion comment?

  341. To beat the dead horse one more time:

    http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/a-look-at-what-happened-the-night-trayvon-martin-died/1223083

    I think this is one of the best, least emotional or one-sided accounts of what happened. It rings true in all respects and the police reports back everything up. The neighborhood had been burglarized several times and Zimm was doing what the authorities tell everyone to do: be a good citizen and institute neighborhood watches. It turns out he was not a vigilante and had called 911 only several times in the past YEAR as part of the watch. Yes he had a gun, but it would appear that he did not pull it out until he was on his back getting hell beaten out of him. It sounds to me like a good thing that he had it with him.

    The Right Reverends Sharpton and Jackson, professional racial ambulance-chasers, need to go home and clean out their garage or change oil in their cars or something else useful; they are doing ordinary black folk a terrible disservice by getting them whipped up over this.

  342. A funeral director does not perform an autopsy. I’m assuming an autopsy was performed. Those results may be released after the grand jury I’m guessing.

  343. “Anything not in the Constitution falls to the states but the states CAN implement laws that are unconstitutional on a Federal level.”

    That is a seriously loaded question and only partly true.

    The fact that powers are reserved to the state doesn’t make them unlimited.

    You’re getting into areas that I am no expert in, albeit more expert than most layman.

    I would have to blow the dust of the Con Law books to fully address. But if you are as curious as you say, these very issues are fully briefed and have been argued by some of the finest. It’s all out there. But know that there aren’t simple answers, only extraordinarily complex ones.

    BiC is probably in Seventh Heaven with all of this.

  344. The media and Democrats twisted the religious freedom into a debate over contraception

    James, you have your buddy RushBo partly to blame for that. He went off the reservation when he abandoned the strictly religious meme, and suggested that women who use birth control are sluts. And Romney, nor anyone else condemned him,

    The media is made up of more than just liberals. Rush did “his party” no favors with his foolish remarks.

  345. What would the autopsy show with regard to the struggle (I wonder)? The funeral director was asked about damage to the one who has been identified by Zimmerman as the aggressor. It’ll be interesting.

  346. What other means do feel are employed to get kids to kill other kids they don’t even know?

    Point taken but that is on a meta scale. I was more intrigued by the possibility that James was used and discarded within the confines of his own troops. It reminds me of that football player who was killed by “friendly fire” (Pat Tillman?) … lots of folks still think he was murdered, no accident at all.

    I EXPECT the soldier to be manipulated into killing the “enemy”. I don’t expect him to be manipulated into confrontations with his own troops.

  347. Now what gives with the abortion comment?

    It was my (failed) attempt at being clever. Since conservatives are anti-abortion, why would they kill a law before it had “come to term”?

    Of course, the snark is rendered moot by our discussion that the law has already come to term and caused “harm and injury”.

  348. PF, the Tampa Bay article is indeed a nice distillation of what we know so far but it really doesn’t move the ball forward. We still DON’T know what happened in the one to two minutes before Trayvon got shot. We may never know since I’m sure some of the evidence (like Zimmerman’s clothes) no longer reflect what happened that night.

    Sharpton or no Sharpton, this is a fiasco. And the article, objective as it tries to be, omits the Sanford police’s bad history with blacks.

  349. Tigre, again, I’m not jumping on the funeral director bandwagon but I think he made his judgment based on Trayvon’s knuckles. You don’t beat a man within an inch of his life and walk away with your hands looking pretty. An autopsy should have revealed if Z’s blood was anywhere on Trayvon.

    Sadly I have no faith in any of this. The Sanford justice system really sounds to me like the Keystone Kops. 😦

  350. Yes, I was duped. A man broke a lock on our quansit hut window and climbed in to unlock our door so the others could enter. It was late at night, and I was the only witness. They wrecked our stuff. We had a cat to keep the rats at bay. There were so many, the Brits had rat drives. They grabbed the cat and drop kicked it into the side of another quansite hut.

    I was new on base and heard many comments about how someone should turn them in. We turned out our lights and hid when we heard them coming. Everyone was tired of them. Even neighboring Blokes complained about our part of the base’s being turned into a brothel. It reminded me of an old western where the town’s people cowered before the bad guys.

    Our NCIOC conducted regular meetings to discuss problems and other matters. He discussed the bad guys at my first meeting there. It had to stop. Hitting an airman i with a board and breaking his jaw was unacceptable. His not telling who did it was even worse.

    Suddenly our NCIOC became very angry, walked over and shook his fist in an Airman’s face. “I WILL GET YOU IF IT’S THE LAST THING I DO!!!!” They really, really wanted to get rid of those guys. “That’s interesting, ” i thought. As I wrote before leadership and discipline were weak. The airman complained to the commander, and the commander forced our NCOIC to publicly appologise.

    You can imagine how it was when I signed a complaint. Our captain looked at me like a starving man near a buffet. “Thank you for coming forward. Yes, we will protect you. You will be fine. We will start proceedings.” Nothing happened, and the bad guys were beginning to visit me at night. My other hut mates went into hiding and reported to work each day. One stayed in a barracks under construction. Another moved in with his girl friend.

    Things began to look bad, and I tried to recant my statement. Our leaders told me they really needed my statement, and I would be fine. I figured it out, and one of the watchers confirmed it later. They were using me as bait and planned to catch them doing something violent to me so they could press harder charges against them.

    It got out of hand, and all charges were dropped to keep me alive and out of jail. ( Charges after my strangling a man looked likely) I could have sold tickets for all of the men who came around to look at the big rock they had tried to use to crush my head. It was a sobering experience for them.

    I became angry a year later, as I wrote, and the middle leadership let me get away with everything, including my shaking a fist in a major’s face and knocking our dental clinic’s NCOIC’ and another NCOs heads together in rough horse play. Our NCOIC had an eight inch bruise on the side of his face. We were just playing around, but they could have charged me with assault. I never told anyone I was trying to hurt them. Their reaction confirued my suspician and what I had been told about their using me as bait. They were feeling guilty and were looking after me.

    Maybe it was a coincidence. Maybe the men who already had atypical emotions evidenced by what they did snapped one by one. For example, one man went away after cornering the squadron commander with a broken beer bottle in the mail room. I told you about the man who nearly lost half of his face. Maybe something planned that I didn’t know about happened. Or maybe it was a coincidence.

    I was a sharp troop and did my jobs. A retention officer told me not to judge the service by what had happened during that four months and on another base. Based on my supervisors’ and a hospital commander’s comments, I should be pursuaded to attend OTS and eventually find my way in one of the corporate slots. I declined.

    It wasn’t all bad. I earned a valuable education which has served me well. I was tested and not in a Platoon sort of way, so I knew I was brave without the extreme danger.. Some people live their entire lives wondering what they would do if… I know, and it is a good feeling. I learned not to depend on others as I was trying to explain to Gypseykat.

    Sorry about the long answer. This subject brings back memories. Be glad you are not my dentist when I launch into how my jaw was repaired.You’d run for the door.

  351. “You don’t beat a man within an inch of his life and walk away with your hands looking pretty.”

    I’ve watched peoples’ heads get pounded into the concrete. It usually requires a strong grip, not knuckles.

    There’s plenty of evidence that Zimmerman had the injuries he claimed to have by those that were there. If Martin’s knuckles don’t look damaged or there wasn’t blood on him, I guess we’ll hear about how it was all staged or those at the scene were lying.

    At this point, MSNBC and the agitators are going say and do anything to make their case for racism no matter what. The Fox news and alleged cause (a/k/a/ melanin challenged conservatives) will do the exact opposite.

    Since O.J., I’ve hated the term “rush to judgment,” but damn if it doesn’t apply here.

  352. Rush is not my buddy. Yes, he stupidly played a major role in forcing the conversation toward contraception. The Republicans largely rolled over and played dead. Like you, I blame Rush. However, the media ran with the contraception story because it suited their beliefs.

    Things happen. Years later, a woman told me her brother was nearly killed in Turkey about the time I was in the service. Their congressman had to get him off the base after he was beaten up. He had discovered and reported a drug ring but didn’t know the commander was involved too.

    In fairness, I think my leaders felt guilty about using me the way they did.

    How could you see a bruise on a body, unless the knuckles were broken? The suicide victim we found during our search of the base library was green, blue and semi- black. How would you know based on that? I’m not arguing. I’m asking because I don’t know the answer.

    After what NBC has done, Richard Jewell comes to mind.

  353. Annie Oakly was defamed late in her career. After she proved herself innocent, she sued each newspaper which reported the story. It took her a long time, and I think her legal expenses exceeded the total damages, but she was satisfied that she made them pay.

    Richard Jewell also sued.

    If Zimmerman is innocent, and we don’t know that yet, I hope he does the same.

  354. “After what NBC has done, Richard Jewell comes to mind.”

    Dan “false-but-accurate” Rather comes to mind too.

    Martin’s heart would’ve stopped minutes after the beating commenced. Why would there be bruising at all is a question I have. But the funeral director seemed convinced it was proof that Zimmerman’s story was made up.

    Fucking media. 🙄

    I’ll wager there are better witnesses and evidence than what’s been reported too. Just a suspicion.

  355. “The smart thing to do is to avoid using fists. Why damage yourself if you don’t have to?”

    As you (and most assuredly Rabbit) knows, you generally break your knuckles in your first fight, hurt them some more in your second and third, but once they calcify, it’s not like they “bruise” or show damage unless cut (that I’m aware of).

  356. I don’t know why you’re calling foul on the media for this public trial. They are doing exactly what they are by design. They know how to get our collective panties in a bunch. I say good show. And “show” is exactly what it is.

    Meanwhile, the real news gets sidelined while we battle between ourselves.

  357. Since a great deal of the ACA has been implemented without the mandate, I would think it would be hard to successfully argue that rejection of the mandate requires rejection of the entire law. Portions of it are already standing on their own. To strike the entire law would appear more a political decision than a legal one.

  358. Thor, it’s my hypothesis that the Court has to either let the whole law stand or fall. Again, I’d love a Tigre or BiW to comment but it seems to me if the Supremes start taking parts of the law apart, they slip from the judicial branch to the legislative branch. It’s not their job to cobble laws together to their liking. I say the whole thing stands or falls.

    Tigre, any thoughts?

  359. Tigre, Poolman is right to some extent. The bottom line is money … keeping the eyeballs glued to the screen. The media is putting on the show that people want to watch.

    As I said earlier everyone is having fun playing Perry Mason, sorting through the “evidence”.

    One of you may have said this earlier, but the whole affair trivializes the life of the 17 year old. He’s just fodder for ratings at this point.

    I only vaguely remember the Jewell case. Isn’t the big difference that he WAS arrested unjustly while Zimmerman, possibly guilty, remains free?

  360. The Rules of Outrage — Or Why the Trayvon Martin Tragedy Divides the Country

    As usual, VDH does a great job of summarizing the obvious pink black elephant that libs choose to ignore for obvious reasons, once again demonstrating that most are stupid, racist, immoral, beyond reason, beyond logic, beyond hope, untruthful, and worthy of contempt.

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    Every year hundreds of Americans are shot and killed under controversial circumstances, where the evidence is incomplete and subject to dispute, often making impossible an immediate charge of murder or manslaughter, at least until further witnesses or information come forth.

    We, the public, rarely, if ever, hear of such tragedies. These certainly are not national news items. What, then, made the Trayvon Martin shooting so different?
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    A few unpleasant facts were assumed that explain the subsequent protests—and the growing backlash against the protests. I think they run something like this, presented here without much editorial commentary.

    1. If Trayvon Martin had been white, or George Zimmerman had been black, or had both been black or both white, there would have been no outrage: 94% of murdered blacks are killed by other blacks, to almost no national outcry. Just this past Friday in Florida, fourteen were gunned down (two killed) to silence (at a funeral parlor, no less), as the protestors of the single Martin fatality went ahead with further demonstrations.

    Whites are far more likely to be murdered by blacks than vice versa, despite the latter comprising only 11-12% of the population — again to no national outcry. The distinction in this case was that Martin was black. Zimmerman was not. The rule in America is apparently that only rare white on black crime — not far more common black on black, or black on white, or white on white — is symbolic of larger pathologies, both past and present. In earlier decades of American history, the reverse was more likely true: black on white crime aroused public furor in a way white on white or black on black or white on black crime did not. That fact in time was accepted as clearly symptomatic of racial bias, but the inverse of that today is said not to be.

    2. If George Zimmerman had been black and not charged with a felony, there would have been no outcry — given that black assailants of other blacks often are not charged because of the occasional difficulty of obtaining eyewitnesses’ affidavits and the unwillingness of many to testify in court (especially in gang-related violence), as well as the use of the self-defense plea. If no one comes forward with enough information to arrest all those who shot up a Florida funeral parlor last Friday, wounding fourteen and killing two, no one I fear will care all that much. Again, the apparent problem in the Martin case was that the one who was not immediately charged was white — and that again made it symbolic of supposedly larger pathologies….

    7. One can be conscious of the fact that 2-3% of the population (young black males) commits over 30% of the nation’s crime; but if one were to use that information to guide one’s behavior then it is deplorable and degenerates into racial profiling.

    The national emphasis is not on ensuring that 2-3% of the population does not commit 30% of the nation’s crime, but that the population not be aware of that fact for any particular use — or that it realize in the collective sense that society is responsible for such inordinate rates of crime. All media pundits and elites who live in New York and Washington (including the president of the United States) deplore racial profiling, but — in the selection of their children’s schools, in their preferred neighborhoods, in the decision where to shop or buy gas after hours, in the advice they give their teenagers who go out on Saturday nights — employ such general profiling and stereotypes hourly. Stranger still, so do young African-American males: black males who might wear cardigan sweaters and ties on the Saturday night street would be safer than those with hoodies and tattoos.

    Read the rest – dissected a point at a time. TG for men like VDH.

    http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/from-the-trayvon-martin-tragedy-to-a-national-travesty/

  361. R, the concept is what is what is referred to as “severability” and you are right. It applies in contracts (when bargained for) and statutes (when included in the provisions (form what I understand). Can a portion be struck down leaving the non-offending portions in tact?

    So the question is one being struggled with by the Court. I thought I already went through this exercise with you guys.

    The gov’t argued that the mandate was “necessary and proper” to carry out its provisions. Yet, when asked whether the whole act tumbles if the mandate were thrown out, the head scratching began. How can it be necessary to eftectuate its provisions yet severable? Again, the government created its own Catch 22 with it arguments in my opinion (like tax vereses penalty verse peronal responsibility).

    When Scalia said, you don’t expect me to read 2,700 pages, it was more than a punch line. He was struggling with the idea that the SCOTUS should be trying to savage portions of the bill.

    I say no way. If the mandate goes down, the whole thing goes down.
    Anyway, you’re right. There’s a fine line between adjudication and legislating in a case like this. I don’t think the SCOTUS will endeavor to reconfigure the law to salvage parts it likes or dislikes — the essence of the legislative function in my opinion.

  362. R, the media was not “designed” to deliberately distort the truth. If you believe otherwise, journalistic ethics should not be taught, and the defamation tossed. Editing the audio? Inexcusable, reprehensible and unethical. Poolman’s just talking shit platitudes again.

  363. “I would think it would be hard to successfully argue that rejection of the mandate requires rejection of the entire law.”

    Like requiring insurance for pre-existing conditions?

  364. If George Zimmerman had been black and not charged with a felony, there would have been no outcry

    This is a moot point because it never would have happened. Had George been black and Trayvon been white, George would be awaiting trial today.

  365. I don’t remember the details. Richard Jewell was detained for a while, I think. The networks were sure he was guilty and told us so in their news stories. They also dug up some uncomplementary information about him. He was an ineffectual looser. I think most news agencies settled out of court. An Atlantic newspaper went to court and won on a technicality.

    The news media is not supposed to advocate for a point of view. What if bogus news stories lead to Zimmerman’s death or injury? Maybe he is guilty. Couldn’t his lawyers argue that he can’t get a fair trial because of the widespread adverse publicity? In any event trying a person on the streets or on television subverts our justice system.

    El Tigre, I wasn’t in many fights in high school, but when I was, I used the sides of my hands, my head, and my knees. Never my fists. My favorite was a headlock sleeper hold. Rubbing a kid’s head against tree bark worked too. I was a pretty good wrestler in school (115 to 120 lb weight class) and I was fast. I used what I had learned in the sport. . I was so thin in those days losing to me was too much of an embarrassment for many to risk.

  366. I’m inclined to agree if George was black, but we don’t have enough information to judge. We are speculating again.

  367. Editing the audio? Inexcusable, reprehensible and unethical. Poolman’s just talking shit platitudes again.

    Unicorns shitting skittles flashed across my screen just then.

    If you truly believe what you wrote, you’re either naive or helping hold the fleece. Explain why journalists get black-listed and why there is a grand desire to control the message in this medium?

  368. Jewell settled for millions of dollars in his lawsuits against numerous media outlets. The only one that didn’t was the Atlanta Journal Constitution, which was pending ta the time of his death. None of the cases was tried, bit to prevail on defamation claims like the ones he filed is proof of just how bad the media conducted itself.

    Of course, Poolman suggests that all that liability was an anomaly becuase distorting the truth is what they were designed to do. 🙄

  369. I will say this. If I was getting into some black thug’s business and he gave an ass beating I’d be so disgusted with my performance I dont think I’d wax him.
    .

    Getting your ass kicked is an art form. You learn how to take it and not panic.

  370. This is a moot point because it never would have happened. Had George been black and Trayvon been white, George would be awaiting trial today.

    And I assume you have proof of this?

  371. Rutherford, I’ll assume you read the VDH article.

    I don’t recall you coming to the defense of three Duke Lacrosse players when they were tried in the court of public opinion by a zealot white D.A., as black stripper cried rape – later found to have lied about virtually the entire thing. Last I heard, she was being tried for assault concerning another matter.

    I do remember a white D.A. zealot convicting the lacrosse players without benefit of a trial or court room, the vast majority white Duke professors, 88 in all, who tried the student in the court of public opinion as guilty, and a sordid number of political pundits, including that black Oliver Willis clown, calling for vengeance, accompanied by Rev. Tawana Brawley and Rev. Je$$e.

    Their apology was never heard.

    And then there were the Jena 6 choir boys and calls for public lynching of three white kids…again pounced on by the same black race hustlers. We haven’t forgotten that so soon, have we?

    We won’t mention Reginald Denny.

    Blind eye to racial injustice, selective memory, and a flaming double standard when it comes to recent history, old friend?

  372. Getting your ass kicked is an art form.

    LOL. That was funny. Rabbit, I have missed your humor in my absence.

    Tigre, I gave up trying to wrap my head around Rutherford’s leaps of logic long ago. And Poolman? Best I can tell, he was first one kicked off Leper Island.

  373. If George Zimmerman had been Jorge Zimmerman, this entire deadly affair wouldn’t have made anything but local mention.

    There’s riches to be had and whitey hating to be stoked – even if Jorge looks Latino.

    I just read today, some “Asian” gunned down five at Christian school in Oakland. In two days, you won’t hear a peep.

  374. A drive- by shooter shot a young man walking down an Omaha street this afternoon. Though he suffered four wounds, he will probably live. Witnesses said he and the shooter looked like President Obama’s sons.

  375. If George Zimmerman had been Jorge Zimmerman, this entire deadly affair wouldn’t have made anything but local mention.

    There’s riches to be had and whitey hating to be stoked – even if Jorge looks Latino.

    I agree with you on that Tex. As I’ve said earlier in this thread, George being Latino does not fit the narrative of evil white man killing innocent black kid. That’s why he’s called White-Hispanic just so you know he has some of that “demon seed”. 🙂

    I just read today, some “Asian” gunned down five at Christian school in Oakland. In two days, you won’t hear a peep.

    Very poor comparison. The Asian was arrested as far as I know. It’s an horrific crime but it’s getting handled the way we would expect. The primary reason the Trayvon Martin case ever went beyond local was the sense that the crime was not handled as we would expect … and then folks were left to wonder why … perhaps killing a black kid in Sanford is no big deal? That is why this thing has exploded into a media circus.

  376. How was it handeld R?

    You keep saying “he should’ve been arrested.” Why? You don’t just arrest and jail people without probable cause. So what gives? Do you have any idea of how many people are detained, released, later arrested etc.?

  377. Tigre, I could be wrong, I’ll grant you. The lead investigator on the scene wanted to make an arrest. The chief of police and prosecutor overruled him. So once again, we’ve got conflicting views of what happened.

    The one thing I am relieved to see is that Z was brought to the station that night for interrogation. I was originally under the impression he was just allowed to go home.

    BTW, a little bit of trivia that some of you might have noticed and wondered about:

    Z is seen emerging from the police car at the station in handcuffs. Why would someone NOT under arrest be in handcuffs? I ran this by my sister who used to be a parole recommendation officer and she said this is basically up to the cop’s discretion. In this case, dealing with someone they didn’t know, who had already admitted to firing a gun, they probably thought better safe than sorry and kept him cuffed until they could interrogate him.

    Even with that explanation, I find it odd that it’s kosher to cuff someone not under arrest.

  378. Very poor comparison. The Asian was arrested as far as I know. It’s an horrific crime but it’s getting handled the way we would expect. The primary reason the Trayvon Martin case ever went beyond local was the sense that the crime was not handled as we would expect … and then folks were left to wonder why … perhaps killing a black kid in Sanford is no big deal? That is why this thing has exploded into a media circus.

    It wasn’t meant to be a comparison, but to point out seven people now are dead, and it won’t be advertised as anything other than a mad man.

    Sharpton, Jackson, Farrakan, and the rest of the race pimps and black thugs don’t care about Trayvon Martin, anymore than they would care about you. This is personal opportunity, shake down, and self-aggrandizement.

    Those are your spokesmen, by the way. 😉

  379. JustOneMinute has an article titled “The Self-Refuting Expert Witness the Orland Sentinel is Touting.” Tom Owen claims the voice is not Zimmermans’ after he used his new software to test it. However, he wrote on his web site that it would be impossible to identify the voice with a recorded scream and a 911 recording. One would need a much larger sample. He is also selling voice recognition software.

    Tom Owen has a BA in History , not forensics. He has also written extensively about the banjo.People will read the story and accept it as true while they won’t know Owen’s shaky credentials or his previous opinion about identifying voices.

    Obama said in his news conference that he opposes Marbury V Madison, which I mentioned a few days ago. According to Obama, there has not been ” an unprecidented extraordinary step of overturning a law that was passed by a strong majority of a democratically elected congress. ” What if Sarah Palin had said that? Or Mitt Romney?

    Black race baitors are bad, but the mostly white press establishment is worse. A majority of people still listens to the meritricous bastards, and they borrow their world view from what they hear in the news. They are shameless because they can still get away with it.

  380. Obama doesn’t “like” Marbury v. Madison?

    Well he doesn’t “like” the Constitution either.

    Whatever suits his purpose (unfettered power) I guess.

    Judicial activism?

    Worthless commentary. Like his dressing down of the SCOTUS at the State of the Union Address. What an embarrassment.

  381. What a danger.

    He didn’t name it, but the statement I quoted contradicts acceptance of Marbury and many other decisions.

  382. So, Poolman, editing the audio is excusable, acceptable and ethical?

    Breitbart seemed to think it was. So is everything black or white with nothing in between? I noticed you ignored the question I posed. Actually your retort told me more than a straight answer would have.

    I guess you’d have to be following the Rupert Murdoch investigation in the UK to get a real answer to your imposed ethical standard. And since he owns much of the media here, that SHOULD possibly elude to what goes on. Of course there’s your buddy Olbermann.

    Of course, Poolman suggests that all that liability was an anomaly becuase distorting the truth is what they were designed to do.

    This right after your statement about defamation in those media reports. 🙄 Since the media is gospel, why are you so critical of MSNBC? Obviously they must follow strict journalistic standards of integrity being as they are a part of the fourth estate. 😆

  383. Should one be arrested when one violates the provisions of a domestic protection order and while doing so one commits homicide? I don’t know the answer. Logic would suggest yes. Innocent of murder until proven guilty, I can accept, but not innocent of violating an injunction. That information would be quickly known. I guess it is up to the state and maybe the individual precinct regarding such matters. I suppose some are flight risks and others are not. But I thought that was up to a judge. I’d like to think justice was blind, but it doesn’t ever seem to be the case. For now we’ll just watch it all ratchet on up and help keep us divided.

  384. Where, in any of my comments, did I say the media is gospel or accurate?

    Go back and read what I actually said Poolman. The question was standards, not how the media actually behaves. You and R have the same reading comprehension problems.

    The media is biased and dishonest in its reporting? No shit? 🙄

  385. Poolman, I tell you this in all serious.

    You are the most dishonest person I have ever read – here, or anywhere else. You are the most passive despicable I have ever read. A pox on your house.

    I don’t think there’s an honest bone in your body.

  386. Well Thor, my team got a silver medal. Not bad for a team that lost five to the NBA.

    Kansas would have had to play a near perfect game, and bad half put them out. Lot of fun, this year.

    I hope OSU (Cowboys) don’t suck again next year. 😡

  387. Tex, in all seriousness, you couldn’t sniff an honest bone if it hit you upside your head. You are a pig-headed bigot. If you can’t see it yourself, you’re in denial. Quit acting like a pox. If you’re aiming for king of the assholes…

    Survey says, you’re playing the lead.

  388. You calling me bigot is at best the pot meeting the kettle. King of assholes concerning a loser like you, absolutely.

    But you calling me dishonest is baseless. However, I would expect nothing less from you as it a pattern.

    I don’t think your situation of living bleak is by accident. What your father said about your eyebrows didn’t register, did it?

  389. Tom Owen claims the voice is not Zimmermans’ after he used his new software to test it. However, he wrote on his web site that it would be impossible to identify the voice with a recorded scream and a 911 recording.

    That’s interesting. It was reported on Hardball tonight without any skepticism toward the testers credentials. In fact, the tester was not named at all.

    Isn’t the Orlando Sentinel partly to blame for this for employing a potential con man?

  390. The question was standards, not how the media actually behaves.

    Okay. Journalism has standards. At the end of the day, who makes sure they are adhered to?

    Every institution has standards. Not everyone in those institutions does. Sometimes corporate looks to profit and stretches standards. When you work for a corporation, there are more stringent rules and that often requires “filters” for certain information that isn’t supposed to get out.

    It is the same in the corporate news media. If you work for one of these corporates, you follow their rules and promote their product. There is no free-lancing, unless they want it to be so. So really, there is no free-lancing. Period. People get canned for it.

    There are topics that don’t get air time and select ones that do.

    Mass media is all about shaping public opinion and capitalizing on the marketing that that propagates. It isn’t rocket science, but it is a science. They play on our emotion and entertain us, disseminating information. And it works. Look around. We’re like one big commercial.

  391. I just read the JustOneMinute article and it really makes the MSM newsrooms who reported on this tonight look like rank amateurs.

    I don’t know who runs JustOneMinute but if they have their facts straight, this is very embarrassing for the news networks who just ate this story up. 😐

  392. Like his dressing down of the SCOTUS at the State of the Union Address. What an embarrassment.

    He SHOULD have gone one step further and walked down from the podium and kicked Alito’s ass right there on live TV.

    I favored the Citizens United opinion on First Amendment grounds but damn the consequences are terrible for a free democracy. Yelling fire in a crowded theater is not covered by the First so there must have been a way to come down differently on Citizen’s United.

    I think I may go read the opinion tomorrow to see what the dissenters had to say.

  393. But you calling me dishonest is baseless.

    I said you wouldn’t know honest if it laid against your head. I guess that doesn’t call you dishonest as much as it does ignorant to what is. So base less of what you read on your lesser base of knowledge. Or would that be wisdom. Ahhh… no, that would require a sprinkling of humility and compassion… a bit out of character. 😉

  394. Hey Poolman, here is one consolation — Tex does hate Obama more than he hates you. 😉

    P.S. Tigre beat me to it but yes, the restraining order was no longer in effect when Z wasted T.

  395. No, you would be wrong about Poolman and Obama, Rutherford. I don’t hate them.

    Obama is dangerous, inept and narcissistic. Obama is to be both feared and loathed because of his position and his influence over millions of deluded fools goosestepping to their own destruction. The cost will be high to all of us and Obama will go down in history as the worst of times and an abject failure.

    I hate what Obama is doing to this country which I covered to a degree at BICs.

    I actually dislike Obama’s wife far more than I do Obama. I think she is reprehensible human being without an ounce of edification, a phony, entitled fool and thief, and frankly ignorant. I am embarrassed, almost humiliated Michelle Obama is our representative to the world. It’s a disgrace.

    Poolman is to be either ignored or pitied. If he weren’t such a rank propagandist, I could do the latter. But the lies can’t go unchallenged because they are so egregious. WordPress doesn’t lend itself to an ignore button.

    Hard to hate somebody when they are helpless, hopeless and an imbecile. But I feel no compassion or empathy for him either due to his blatant and transparent dishonesty and propaganda. I believe in ultimate justice and it best left to that. I only hope he remembers, “Told You So…”

  396. I believe in ultimate justice and it best left to that. I only hope he remembers, “Told You So…”

    I do to, on the justice thing. I know a lot of “I told you so” types. I don’t do that. Proof’s always in the pudding.

    As for the media’s purpose, it’s usually to change the focus.

  397. Yes, Rutherford, I think the Orlando Sentinel found Owens. As you wrote, if that site has its facts straight, it will add to the major media’s embarrassment. This isn’t the first time it has happened.

    ABC altered a Charlie Gibson interview with Sarah Palin and a group of news people called Journo list coordinated attacks on Palin etc. Media Matters is another organization which coordinates attacks. Have you ever noticed how seemingly independent commentators and politicians use the same phrases and scenarios?

    Obamas’ preemptive strike at the Supreme Court that it is producing an extreme and activist decision is similar to what others wrote late last week. They may not be coordinating, but they think alike.

  398. R –

    re: handcuffs. Think about that a minute. If he had come in not in handcuffs, the media and racial ambulance-chasers would have had a field day with it, wouldn’t they? Turns out to be some pretty good judgment on the officers’ part, didn’t it? Of course that begs the larger question as to why the hell officers have to be constantly looking into the future, trying to divine how things will LOOK, rather than worrying about doing their duties.

  399. R, I had the pleasure of reading your bullshit at BiC. You are remarkably dishonest. It’s no wonder he and others stay away. You’re a wasted effort.

  400. “I think I may go read the opinion tomorrow to see what the dissenters had to say.”

    Yeah. Why don’t you do that. It’d be the first time you took the initiative to understand the issues you talk about.

    Unless of course waiting for the morons on MSNBC to tell you what to say constitutes initiative.

    Care to answer any of my questions from No. 4?

    I didn’t think so.

  401. James –

    re: race-baiters. Having grown up in WV, the butt of every joke in the world – a place that, once you reveal your origin, causes your employers to automatically place you in a pigeonhole of low expectations and disdain – I think I have some insight into the “black” problem.

    My father told me that the only long-term solution to Hillbilly-haters is to prove them wrong. My Italian, Pole, Russian, Spanish friends – kids of immigrant miners, were treated like shit, called “Hunkies,” and looked down on. Know what they did? Worked their asses off, fought when they had to, maintained top grades, stayed out of trouble. Know what they are doing now? They are doctors, lawyers, Indian chiefs, and haven’t heard the word “Hunkie” since they were kids. Nobody follows THEM around nice neighborhoods, waiting for them to steal something.

    OTOH, a Hillbilly friend of mine took the “black” approach: every insult was met with fists, every joke was met with a fuck-you-asshole.

    Know what he is doing? He is a retired trucker, roustabout, generally disliked asshole with a chip on his shoulder, living in a house trailer. His approach really got him far, and people still consider him an ignorant – but dangerous – sonofabitch and wouldn’t walk across the road to piss him out if his guts were on fire. Sound like the attitude a lot of folks have about the chronically pissed-off black male?

    These folks need to clean up their own houses; when they do, then they can cry about “racism.” Sorry, I don’t buy it.

  402. Pfessor, maybe someone in West Virginia should make a YouTube video like Iowa Nice.

    North Omaha has a serious crime problem and a culture of not snitching. Whenever a usually young black man is shot, bereaved relatives say, “Yes, he had some problems, but he was such a nice, friendly young man. Recently, he was turning his life around.” Most of the family include his mother and aunts. Fathers are rare. White racists are to blame.

    We have black trash, and we have white trash. I agree with you. Its the culture.

  403. Sister Toldjah has also compiled a record of media dishonesty about the shooting case. “Evidence: video fail not the first time ABC, MSM have shown # Trayson case bias”

  404. Regarding “America” by Yes, I’ve never been able to completely warm up to progressive rock. Too damn ambitious and complicated for my taste. I wonder what Paul Simon thought of this cover.

    (Notice how Art doesn’t seem to know what to do with his arms. Damn he needs a guitar or something!)

  405. Obama is to be both feared and loathed

    Tex … loathed = hated.

    influence over millions of deluded fools goosestepping to their own destruction.

    Reminds me of Rick Santorum’s followers. Rick told them that several campuses of the University of California don’t offer any American History courses — an outright lie. His audience ooo’d and awww’d as he talked this nonsense.

    The Republican candidates with the possible exception of Ron Paul are leading the ignorant masses right off a cliff. It’s on the one hand embarrassing and on the other terrifying.

  406. I had the pleasure of reading your bullshit at BiC.

    And I responded to you there. You’re doing your Tex-as-drama-queen impersonation. Did you really think it didn’t occur to me that you would read my comment at BiW’s? I stand by what I said.

  407. Tigre I addressed comment 4 in comment 10. But let me connect the dots for you on one thing you consistently think you’ve busted me on.

    The Zimmerman case put the SYG law under a spotlight. In reviewing that statute I chose to critique it, unrelated to how it involves the Zimmerman case. So every time you say “how does this relate to Zimmerman” you’re asking a question I never intended to answer.

    Let me hit “over broad” one more time. If SYG is supposed to be a variation or evolution of the standard self-defense claim, then it should NOT include preventing harm to others nor should it include preventing a forcible felony which may or may not even involve another human being. I turn your attention to Joe Horn, a Texan emboldened by the then just passed SYG law, who shot two burglars breaking into his NEIGHBOR’S house. He had no reason to believe there was even anyone at home whose life could be in danger.

    Does over-broad make any better sense to you now?

  408. Hillbilly friend of mine took the “black” approach:

    Utter and pure BULLSHIT!!!!!

    For the most part PF I’m a fan of yours but I can’t watch you be stupid enough to suggest that is the “black approach”. That is the IGNORANT approach and the fact that some (in fact a lot) of “hillbillies” have that approach proves it has NOTHING to do with race. It is a mind set.

    And this is what you don’t get …. poor white trash, for the most part, get ignored by the media. If you didn’t do some research you’d think that white folks have all got their act together. It ain’t true. But you don’t have to look far to see someone talking smack about ignorant black people.

    Hillbillies are all the proof you need to know that not everybody fights their way out of poverty with “pull yourself up from your bootstraps” attitude. There are plenty of ignorant white and black folks in this country. The minute you start thinking black people have a monopoly on failure, you’re barking up the wrong tree …. and yes you’re crossing the line into racism.

  409. “Does over-broad make any better sense to you now?”

    No repeating a platitude doesn’t illuminate.

    Q: “If you don’t like any aspect of the law, why don’t you address the scope of the prior law specifically and explain why it’s preferable? Why was the law changed? Were there instances that gave rise to a change in the doctrine?”

    A: “No, I plead guilty to not having researched it deeply enough. The questions you ask are all valid. I wanted to cover a lot in this post and perhaps I should have limited it to just SYG and taken a deep dive.”

    That’s not a response.

    Stand by what you said all you want. You’re full of shit.

  410. Thanks for the video Rutherford. I haven’t heard the song in years. That was my wife and me. Only we were in a van with a tent, and we were traveling across Canada. We also didn’t smoke. Ontario “seems like a dream to me now.”

    The end times must be coming. An old e pal I met on my first now defunct message board called, and we talked for over two hours. The next sent the first e mail in nearly two years and after I replied, she answered she was so glad she had re found me. Then, another wrote. This morning, one of my favorites from the Philipines sent the first e mail in over two years. My wife and I are still her Tito and Tita, she wrote.

    All but one were from the first message board. Are we all destined to get together before the rapture so we can watch the saved Christians fly into space?

  411. R –

    OK I went too far; I tend to do that when I see utter nonsense.

    The fact is, just watch a little TV or just take a walk down the street. The pissed-off young black male is everywhere, whether it is a gang-banger or just some guys shooting hoops. I see then in my ED all the time – usually shot or knifed, mouthing off about “Muthafucka” and “bitches and ho’s.”

    Why does that stereotype stick? Because you see it in real life all around you. It doesn’t take a majority acting like that, either – just a few – just like the lazy Hillbilly stereotype that those of us who grew up there know is not the rule. But you see it often enough that it sticks, and that’s what people think.

    Black families need to get their shit together – marriage and a little fidelity by the man might be the place to start – so the young males will have something to look up to besides drug dealers. (That would be called a “father.”) Having come from the head of the holler and NEVER getting a special deal because of who I was, I am particularly insensitive to the whiners who have – and have never accomplished anything (except mayhem and procreation) – and then complaining about how “the man” holds them down.

  412. Rutherford @535

    I really was trying to stay out of this fray but oh well. I have lived in Hillbilly country and I would have much preferred to associate with the blacks in the community who looked down on the antics of the hillbillies/rednecks/white trash or whatever you wanted to call them.

    When I was in high school the state was still segregated. The blacks had a great school and every black family I knew made their children go to school. We had much more ignorance in the white community because emphasis was not put on education by the hillbilly parents who couldn’t read or write.

    I also felt safer walking the streets of the black community than I did the white trash section. Yep, the hills of TN compared to the WV mountains.

  413. “Well Thor, my team got a silver medal. Not bad for a team that lost five to the NBA.
    Kansas would have had to play a near perfect game, and bad half put them out. Lot of fun, this year.” Tex

    They came close. Too bad they went cold after cutting it to six. I look forward to watching OSU “grow”. For what it’s worth, I think Oral Roberts got jobbed. They should have been in. Zags have their point guard for the next three years in Pangos and a pretty decent big man in Olinyk that red shirted. Just like a Cubs fan, there’s always next year. 🙂

  414. “The fact is, just watch a little TV or just take a walk down the street. The pissed-off young black male is everywhere,”

    “The fact is, just watch a little TV or just take a walk down the street. The pissed-off young black/hispanic/white male is everywhere,”. There, I fixed it!

  415. Like requiring insurance for pre-existing conditions? – ET

    I was thinking more like the provision for carrying children to twenty seven.

    And the limit on profit taking.

    There is a difference between severing an aorta and severing a tumor.

  416. “In this case, dealing with someone they didn’t know, who had already admitted to firing a gun, they probably thought better safe than sorry and kept him cuffed until they could interrogate him.” – R

    They probably decided to cuff him when they ran his record and found out he had assaulted a cop. 😉

  417. That’s not a response.

    You’ve clearly lost your mind. You asked me a lot of questions that, had I taken a deep dive, I would have answered. That is what I told you. If anything, I threw myself on my sword but you seem to want to twist the sword to ensure a painful death.

    FWIW, I have heard that the Florida SYG law was NOT based on any inadequacy in prior law. It was plain and simple the manifestation of conservative/NRA ideology meant to solve a problem that did NOT exist.

  418. PF, I’ll suggest to you that if you work at a prison or an urban emergency room you will indeed see black “culture” at its worst. Hang out on the campuses of Harvard, Columbia, Brown, etal. and you won’t see a bunch of angry black folks saying b*tch and ho. You’ll see black kids interested in learning and making a good life for themselves … and many of them, like their white counterparts are the products of divorce. 50% of all marriages (regardless of race) end in divorce. Lots of broken homes out there.

    We drink in what surrounds us. Seriously, go to the courtyard or quadrangle at UVA and drink in that environment for a bit. Talk to a few “brothers” there.

    And I will confess …. since I don’t spend time in urban ER’s I don’t get this overwhelming sense of black dysfunction. I submit we both need to get out more. 😉

  419. Raji –

    You ought to see WV now. Roosevelt’s grandchildren, with all their “disabilities” and Oxycontin ‘scripts and welfare babies, beat any ghetto in NYC. People are stealing the phone lines to sell the copper. Hills and fields overgrown. Looks for the world like something out of “Night Comes to the Cumberlands.”

    I wouldn’t ever go home, except for my brother who still lives there.

  420. “FWIW, I have heard the Florida SYG law was NOT based on any inadequacy in prior law. ”

    Yeah. I heard otherwise. As I said.

    You do not bother with the information is provided before continuing on. It’s always a wasted effort. You’ve done the same thing with the Obamacare discussion.

    THAT is why I’m irascible.

  421. “There is a difference between severing an aorta and severing a tumor.”

    Lobby your state legislature and insurance commissioner for the nicks and cuts. Federal mandates on the little stuff is not health care reform. Picking and choosing little stuff that it likes and doesn’t like based on personal preferences or lack of impact is not the job of the SCOTUS.

  422. Thor,

    They should have been in. Zags have their point guard for the next three years in Pangos and a pretty decent big man in Olinyk that red shirted. Just like a Cubs fan, there’s always next year.

    I think Mark Few is one of the better coaches going. I have to assume that he’s been offered big jobs, and turned them down? Gonzaga is a nice story virtually every year. When Bill Self was coaching TU, they were very much like Gonzaga, and were one basket from making the Final Four back in the 2000 season, when North Carolina beat TU on a last second shot. Same with Oral Roberts back in the mid to late 70s.

    The one year rule, in conjunction with coaches like Calipari and Kentucky boosters are going to ruin the game of college basketball if they don’t change the rule IMO. Any pretense of “student/athlete” is a joke.

    One thing I will not miss this year is the santimonious story of how Calipari bought these superstars into playing the “team” concept. I am absolutely sure, that with the kind of firepower I watched last night from Kentucky, 300 college coaches could have done much the same.

  423. Raji opined: “The fact is, just watch a little TV or just take a walk down the street. The pissed-off young black/hispanic/white male is everywhere,”. There, I fixed it!

    You are living in a fantasy world.

    R opined:

    “PF, I’ll suggest to you that if you work at a prison or an urban emergency room you will indeed see black “culture” at its worst. Hang out on the campuses of Harvard, Columbia, Brown, etal. and you won’t see a bunch of angry black folks saying b*tch and ho. You’ll see black kids interested in learning and making a good life for themselves”

    That is right. But the exception proves the rule, as the saying goes. Proves means “tests” in that context, not “provides proof.” The numbers do not lie. You and I both know those numbers about the percentages of young black men in jail, the percentages without a high school diploma, percentages in a household headed by a woman, percentages of violent crimes perpetrated by that cohort. Numbers spouted ad infinitum ad nauseum by those seeking to provide excuses for criminal behavior. Me, I don’t buy it.

  424. PF opined to Raji “You are living in a fantasy world.”

    I know I’ll get slings and arrows for this BUT I saw a lot of angry white guys on display at Tea Party gatherings. In fact, I haven’t seen white folks so “aggrieved” this much in my entire lifetime.

    As for crime, I submit the focus of law enforcement is on the black community. If cops were interested in busting drug use in the white suburbs (where there’s loads of it), the disproportionate black population would get at least slightly corrected.

  425. R –

    You can pick and choose and cherry-pick all you want (like some of the crazier Tea Partiers, for example), but when you look at the big picture, you and I both know who is providing the go-power to make this country run – and we know who is a net drag on it, too. We know who consumes more resources than they produce, who is committing a vastly disproportionate amount of crime, comprises a vastly disproportionate percentage of the prison population, ad infinitum.

    And we both know that you can’t get yourself right with god until you admit you have a problem. The longer the “black community” and the “black leaders” like the Right Revs Jackson and Sharpton keep blaming everyone else, that community is NEVER going to square up its shoulders and get in the game. All I can say is, keep it up. Nobody that really matters is paying the slightest attention to the whining about race.

    They are all saying, STFU, hump and get it – like everybody else is.

  426. I disagree with Raji’s statement about youth too.

    I live in the South plains, where we have a large percentage of Hispanic youth – larger than most places this side of Southern California, possibly Arizona and New Mexico, and South Texas. Never once have I felt threatened by any Hispanic youth. The biggest threat of the white youth in my lifetime is slacker, sloth and stupidity. But not life.

    But to walk into a predominately black community with young black men? Everybody avoids them like the hellholes they are – even the police. War zones and drug dens. They’ve dumped millions into these communities in my town, and they are worse than ever. Build them a grocery store – they steal it blind. Build them a sporting venue or gymnasium? They tear it up and steal the copper. Build them a park – they trash it.

    My sympathy tank for the black plight is on empty.

  427. by what standard do you gauge tea party white men as some of the angriest you’d seen rutherford? were they smashing windows and burning cars as the ows demonstrators did? what about the wisconsin labor unions demonstrations?.

    the tea party demonstrations I saw were polite and orderly. where were the protests you attended? how much damage did they cause? did the police have to restore order? were many injured?

    If you haven’t been in a sixites or seventies anti war protest, you haven’t seen anger if you missed one of those. It is like the crocodile dundee movie when a thug pulled a knife and the hero drew his knife and said “you call that a knife. This is a knife.”

    I was having trouble getting the keyboard to type capitals.

  428. I agree with Raji regarding the pissed off white/black/hispanic (and I’ll add Asian) male is everywhere and the TV has been exploiting them. We all look for role models and the dark/criminal types are glorified in our media and have been for sometime. Who controls the media? They say that TV reflects culture. I say it shapes it. Learned behaviors are the problem and the solution.

    Environment is the biggest factor involved in shaping character and behavior. Genetics may weaken one’s immunity or resolve for certain influences, as with our indigenous peoples who were exposed to small pox and alcohol. Studies show, however, that with good nutrition, opportunity, and a healthy environment all being equal, all tribes of people succeed and excel.

  429. “Who controls the media?”

    Liberals and progressives. They and the politicians they support largely caused much of the anger, and they have ruined a portion of black society. Whites and Hispanics are not far behind.

    The lies and race baiting after the shooting are more proof.

  430. Studies show, however, that with good nutrition, opportunity, and a healthy environment all being equal, all tribes of people succeed and excel.

    Actually, studies show anything but equality and the gaps are widening. However, it’s not talked about in politically correct circles with the oikophobia crowd present living out their lying lives.

  431. Actually, studies show anything but equality and the gaps are widening.

    Cites, please. I’d like to see who compiled the data for whom.

  432. “I think Mark Few is one of the better coaches going. I have to assume that he’s been offered big jobs, and turned them down?” – Tex

    There are rumors every year, mostly Pac-12 teams. I think he is wise enough to know, simply making more money doesn’t guarantee happiness. I’m sure the Jesuits have helped him a time or two to meditate on the virtue of contentment. Maybe it’s just a Northwest thing. 😉

  433. Cites, please. I’d like to see who compiled the data for whom.

    😆 So you recheck the facts with that heavy statistical and mathematical background? 😆

    SAT, ACT, Bell Curve, Achievement Gap, a million others…left and right; black and white; poor and rich.

    Google them yourself by income and demographic. Asians and whites test scores are exponentially higher, in some cases three full grade levels higher, even when income, school and two parent family taken into account.

    How about a good hardcore liberal cite for Rutherford’s resident rube, so we don’t have to hear his whining about racial bias? Can you handle that Fermo?

    http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/j/jencks-gap.html

  434. I’m sure the Jesuits have helped him a time or two to meditate on the virtue of contentment. Maybe it’s just a Northwest thing. 😉

    I thought the Northwest State religion was nihilism, closely followed by Gaiaism? 😉

    Don’t worry, Thor. I’m not to the David Duke level (yet). I’m simply pointing out facts to Rutherford’s Resident Rube because he’s such a pompous ass, always believing he can pick up a turd by the clean end.

    I’ve never read heaven’s gate equate the value of one’s soul inversely related to the efficacy of melanin.

  435. El Tigre, you will enjoy this:

    Imagine if you picked up your morning paper to read that one of your astronomy professors had publicly questioned whether the earth, in fact, revolves around the sun. Or suppose that one of your economics professors was quoted as saying that consumers would purchase more gasoline if the price would simply rise. Or maybe your high school math teacher was publicly insisting that 2 + 2 = 5. You’d be a little embarrassed, right? You’d worry that your colleagues and friends might begin to question your astronomical, economic, or mathematical literacy.

    Now you know how I felt this morning when I read in the Wall Street Journal that my own constitutional law professor had stated that it would be “an unprecedented, extraordinary step” for the Supreme Court to “overturn[] a law [i.e., the Affordable Care Act] that was passed by a strong majority of a democratically elected Congress.” Putting aside the “strong majority” nonsense (the deeply unpopular Affordable Care Act got through the Senate with the minimum number of votes needed to survive a filibuster and passed 219-212 in the House), saying that it would be “unprecedented” and “extraordinary” for the Supreme Court to strike down a law that violates the Constitution is like saying that Kansas City is the capital of Kansas. Thus, a Wall Street Journal editorial queried this about the President who “famously taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago”: “[D]id he somehow not teach the historic case of Marbury v. Madison?”

    I actually know the answer to that question. It’s no (well, technically yes…he didn’t). President Obama taught “Con Law III” at Chicago. Judicial review, federalism, the separation of powers — the old “structural Constitution” stuff — is covered in “Con Law I” (or at least it was when I was a student). Con Law III covers the Fourteenth Amendment. (Oddly enough, Prof. Obama didn’t seem too concerned about “an unelected group of people” overturning a “duly constituted and passed law” when we were discussing all those famous Fourteenth Amendment cases – Roe v. Wade, Griswold v. Connecticut, Romer v. Evans, etc.) Of course, even a Con Law professor focusing on the Bill of Rights should know that the principle of judicial review has been alive and well since 1803, so I still feel like my educational credentials have been tarnished a bit by the President’s “unprecedented, extraordinary” remarks.

    Fortunately, another bit of my educational background somewhat mitigates the reputational damage inflicted by the President’s unfortunate comments. This morning, the judge for whom I clerked, Judge Jerry E. Smith of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, called the President’s bluff. ~ Thom Lott

    Umm.. Ummmmm….clears throat:

    I’m still waiting for that Obama brilliance to peek out guys. And we are almost through the first term, and prayerfully the last term.

  436. Actually, studies show anything but equality and the gaps are widening.

    OK now I’m starting to get pissed off. What Poolman said is right on the money. Given the same environment which includes nutrition, opportunity, access to quality education, all groups do perfectly fine, with individuals within groups clearly failing because as humans, some individuals do fail.

    To suggest otherwise is to be RACIST. And I’m really getting f*cking sick and tired of this bullsh*t being laid down on this board. There is NOTHING innately inferior about black people. So knock off the goddam crap!!!!! 👿

  437. Asians and whites test scores are exponentially higher

    Just how f*cking stupid can you be? Poolman said given the same environment and opportunity. THAT does not exist. If it did you wouldn’t see the disparity in test scores, dumbass.

  438. Tex, he’s an embarrassment. I’m not surprised given his stated contempt for the Court. That’s mighty dignified for a so-called educator, member of the bar, and nominator position on the very bench he criticizes. 🙄

  439. I was on board with the Obama bashing regarding the SCOTUS criticism until I listened more carefully to what he said. He said that Conservatives always get their panties in a knot over activist judges so should recognize this as just such a case. He was throwing GOPhers usual hypocrisy (or long term memory deficit disorder) back in their face.

    .“I just remind conservative commentators that for years we’ve heard that the biggest problem is judicial activism or a lack of judicial restraint. That a group of people would somehow overturn a duly constituted and passed law. Well, this is a good example. And I’m pretty confident that this court will recognize that and not take that step.”

    Read more: http://www.towleroad.com/2012/04/obamahealthcare.html#ixzz1r2xGGYnl

    If you need more spoon feeding on this … see Newt Gingrich’s comments that he would unseat judges whom he deemed too activist.

  440. Obama’s words and actions illustrate the danger we face. The Zimmerman-Martin shooting seems to be slipping down the news chain as people begin to understand how liberals have tampered with the facts.

    It is a diversion like the war on women the administration needs to obscure its real intent. Obama’s dismissing the Supreme Court and his warnings were as chilling as anything I have heard from a president. Obama’s subverting and countermanding laws passed by our elected representatives, combined with his speeches presents a frightening pattern.

    FDR tried to destroy and pack the Supreme Court and Obama appears to be moving down the same road. Michele Malkon describes the cases of Democratic voter registration and petition fraud. This also is part of a disturbing pattern.

    The ultimate battle will begin should the Supreme Court declare all or part of Obamacare unconstitutional. IF the administration would choose to defy the ruling, FDR’s attempt to pack the Court would be minor by comparison.

  441. oikophobia

    HT to Tex. I don’t often see a word I’ve never seen before.

    R –

    You are really a good guy, based on my experience here, and I don’t enjoy busting your chops in the least. I only speak for myself, but I want to be very clear what I am saying.

    Nobody that I have heard here is saying there is any difference in worthiness among the races, that God loves one more than another or that blacks should be treated any different from anyone else – in fact, all I see here – other than from you, is that we should all be treated the SAME.

    There is however a real difference in BEHAVIOR among the races, with the young black male at the forefront, and the data is easy to find that backs that up. He frightens a great many people, and again, crime stats, jail stats all back that up too.

    I have some Jewish friends (sorry poolman) who have told me privately that “We need to stop wringing our hands over the Holocaust and move on; it is paralyzing us.” Ditto slavery. It was a long time ago, done to people you didn’t know by people I didn’t know. Time to move on and stop making excuses for bad behavior. It reminds me of the Marshall University plane crash: It happened over forty years ago but, if they have a bad year in football, they haven’t recovered from the crash; if they have a good year, they have finally recovered.

    Until next year.

  442. OK now I’m starting to get pissed off. What Poolman said is right on the money. Given the same environment which includes nutrition, opportunity, access to quality education, all groups do perfectly fine, with individuals within groups clearly failing because as humans, some individuals do fail.

    Dumbass? 😆

    Better stay pissed off then or stick your head in the sand (what’s new), because these studies take environment, income, family, and every other ancillary factor all into account, and still there is a huge achievement gap betweens blacks and Hispanics vis a vis whites and Asians, and the gap still isn’t being plugged.

    They’ve tossed millions of dollars at reducing the scholastic curve – not happening, trying to explain it away with extraneous factors that is.

    And since I’m one of the chosen who can be called racist because of my ‘position and power’, I wear the charge of racism from with privilege and honor. 😮

  443. IF the administration would choose to defy the ruling, FDR’s attempt to pack the Court would be minor by comparison.

    I’m not sure what you’re getting at here James. Unlike the Presidential veto power against legislation, I know of no provision that allows the executive to “defy” the Court. Nor do I know of any precedent where that happened (someone better versed in American history, please correct me if I’m wrong). You’re creating what my old college roommate used to call “imaginary horribles”.

    Also you say “pack and destroy” the Supreme Court with respect to FDR. James you really should brush up your resume for Fox News because you’ve learned well how to sneak in those little phrases that color (and distort) the narrative. Had FDR succeeded he would not have destroyed the SCOTUS. He would have made it bigger.

  444. The Man Who Knew Too Little

    President Obama’s stunning ignorance of constitutional law.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303816504577321844137787970.html?mod=djemBestOfTheWeb_h

    ——–

    What you are seeing in this rattled President and megalomaniac, is a man who has the personal epiphany that everything he campaigned, marketed, promised, and sometimes achieved has been proven wrong, based on the lifetime indoctrination of lies and fraud. 🙂

    Starting with he himself is something special.

  445. Regarding “oikophobia” I assumed it was a fear of people living in Oklahoma until I looked it up. I am impressed Tex. Where exactly did you stumble upon that cocktail party word? It sure ain’t part of your base vocabulary, I know that much. 😉

  446. We need to stop wringing our hands over the Holocaust and move on; it is paralyzing us.

    Any Jew who has the courage to say that in public will be tarred and feathered. But kudos to your friend. I’ve NEVER heard a Jewish person say anything remotely like that.

    He [the young black man] frightens a great many people. If you had the young black man’s PR you’d frighten a lot of people too. And don’t you understand EVERY recognizable black man (i.e. someone who can’t pass) carries that poor public relations burden? Zimmerman didn’t know Trayvon was suspended for possible pot possession. All Z knew was a black kid where he “shouldn’t have been”. Why should Trayvon or any young black man have to bear the burden of some thugs in the inner city?

    What you don’t get is every time you generalize about black folk you make it harder for those who are working their ass off to escape from the stereotype. And you make it harder for yourself to recognize a decent black man when you see one.

    It’s interesting how we define terms. A good for nothing hillbilly is “acting black”. Mmmmmm, maybe a good for nothing black man is acting “hillbilly”? 😉

  447. This totally unrelated story from Tex’s WSJ link made me chuckle. I actually DO think this could represent racial progress:

    Meet Michael Wattendorf, racial pioneer:

    Wattendorf, a senior at Northern Virginia’s super-selective Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology, stood before prospective members of its Black Student Union in the fall and introduced himself as the club’s president. The freshmen, Wattendorf recalled, looked a little confused.

    “Yes,” Wattendorf remembers saying with a cheerful smile, “I am white.” . . .

    To some, a white student at the helm of a club for black kids is a symptom of the school’s lack of diversity.

    “If you have a black-student union and the person who is over it is white . . . what does that say? The pool [of black students] is not that large there,” said Charisse Glassman, who chairs the Fairfax County NAACP’s education committee and has met with TJ officials to discuss ways to increase minority enrollment. “A white person cannot understand what black children are going though when they go to that school.”

    To others, Wattendorf’s presidency is a symbol of something more high-minded about the school: Its black students were willing to look beyond race.

    If a black man becoming president of a majority-white country is a sign of racial progress, how can a white youngster becoming president of a majority-black club be anything but (albeit on a much smaller scale)?

  448. After reading about Obama’s Lochner confusion, I’m left with the following dilemma:

    What’s preferable?

    Sarah Palin who everyone knows is stupid. OR
    Barack Obama who only the smartest folks in the room know is stupid.

  449. Oh and btw, “the smartest folks in the room” does not include most of us on this board. Any of you tell me you’ve heard of Lochner v New York prior to this week, other than BiW and El Tigre, and I’ll call you a liar (unless you’re a real SCOTUS buff).

    I think it’s funny how I get lambasted for echoing MSNBC, when you guys jump on the bandwagon of a topic you know NOTHING about but suddenly you’re experts cos you read it in the WSJ. 🙄

  450. Oikophobia. As much a part of my base vocabulary as MaDonna Whore Complex was to your own.

    That makes us brothers in bullshit.

    I went looking for a word one day to describe the Poolman types of the world, who seem to becoming more frequent across the net. Those that hate their own environment.

    What’s ironic is the very same afternoon I discovered oikophobia, I’m reading a WSJ blog and find the same word used again by James Taranto. Two days later, I see it again at Instapundit.

    Had I waited two hours, I could have saved myself the trouble and work of research and continued to player slacker. 🙂

  451. R – we can go ’round and ’round about this all day, but the reason the young black male stereotype is common is because it commonly is true. People know what they see on TV: they see those guys getting led off in ‘cuffs, or in high speed chases, arrested for heinous crimes. They very rarely see a Chinaman or Indian; it’s usually a young black guy.

    Ditto Hillbillies. I’ve been beating that drum literally for decades: if you want people to stop treating you like ignorant sonsofbitches, stop acting that way. And it doesn’t take very many to reinforce that stereotype in a LOT of people’s eyes, either. Just like I said, nobody said the pissed off buck is the majority; he doesn’t have to be the majority – just a few, and loud. And that they are.

  452. Whittle Bill runs off about oikophobia, dissing liberal celebrities and calling Hollywood Mordor, then asks for donations to support his brand of propaganda.

    Adopted kids have done well, if they were adopted early enough that their initial environment had no lasting behavioral impact. Privacy laws make studying them as a group difficult. But all life forms respond that way. This entire genetic superiority meme is manufactured. It does play into what many WANT to believe. It also serves an excuse for treatment and behavior of others.

    Of course, we are all unique and generalizations always have exceptions. Genetics may give some groups a greater inclination toward athletics or understanding mathematics, characteristics often passed from our ancestors in an evolutionary way. But these learned abilities can be honed or lost during a lifetime, and evolution passes that modified blueprint to the next generations accordingly.

  453. The donations aren’t for Whittle propaganda, dummy.

    I understand the mistake, because you wouldn’t recognize propaganda, due to the fact your entire being is propaganda.

    I’ve noticed you’ve tried to become more intellectual, more eloquent in your prose – and grabbed a spellchecker along the way, Poolman. Good for you. But never forget you’re still the same superficial rube you were the day you entered Rutherford’s lair. 😉

    Whittle, Roger Simon, Lionel Chetwynd are actually seeking financing an industry to compete against Hollywood. And I for one, wish them huge success – and they have already had some successful influence concerning Act of Valor, where real SEALS actually played the part.

    Maybe we can finally have an entertainment industry where Jane Fonda doesn’t play Nancy Reagan, or Meryl Streep plays Margaret Thatcher. An entertainment industry worth more than a NetFlix review, where you’d pay real money to be entertained.

  454. I don’t have to watch Fox News. I come by it naturally. FDR was angry because the Supreme Court had declared some New Deal laws unconstitutional. Several decisions were by 5 to 4 margins with Republican-appointed Justices tending to oppose the legislation.

    FDR’s animosity toward the Court was so great, he sought to destroy it as a meaningful check on his administration. Packing the Court with justices friendly to him would have destroyed it while a shell remained. Obama is trying to do the same thing through intimidation and attempts to portray the Court as a group of people isolated from the concerns of real people.

    I agree, there is no precedent for a president to defy the Supreme Court but there is always a first time. Obama is trying to intimidate the court to make a decision to his liking. I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. For a lawyer and former law instructor to have said what he did was so ignorant one should question his competence for the office, or his statements were by design. I don’t believe Obama is ignorant or stupid. I believe he wants to destroy the Court without appearing to defy it.

    Obama did say Eric Bell of the Critical Race Theory was “speaking the truth.” I believe Bell wrote that racism is so endemic that black people are not obligated to follow laws written largely by whites. Obama has a record of disregarding Congressional intent by using Czars to circumvent Congressional legislation. Ken Salizar, for example lied about the basis for suspending drilling in the Gulf after the BP spill. Now, the administration is working with DHS to grant illegal aliens “unlawful presence waivers” to illegals who can prove they have relatives in the United States.

    Judicial Watch writes that this”appears to be part of a plan to blow off Congress by using its executve powers to grant illegal immigrants backdoor amnesty. In 2012 Texas’s largest newspaper published an expose about a then secret DHS initiative that systemically cancelled pending deportations. The remarkable program stunned the legal profession and baffled immigration attoneys who watched as the government bounced their clients’ deportation even when expulsion was virtually guaranteed.”

    I am proud to use “imaginary horribles”. They are the reason I survived the service, kept the farm and lived through storm chasing.You should try it.
    You didn’t know me then, but one of my first predictions on the H&M blog was about Obama. The main thing I missed was inflation. Obama’s only surprise for me is he has made worse decisions than I imaged. He did keep the Afghanistani