Your Big Event for 2011 and My Life in a Cartoon

As the year comes to a close, it’s your turn to sound off on what you think the biggest event was in 2011. Use whatever criteria you want: impact on our nation or the world, personal importance to you, etc. I’ve offered some possibilities in the poll below. Elaborate on them in the comments section or offer one of your own.

My Life in a Cartoon

Happy New Year!

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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561 thoughts on “Your Big Event for 2011 and My Life in a Cartoon

  1. The last day of the year. Hard to believe.

    At the end of every year I look back and think, damn, I hope next year is better than this one. But it’s been OK; I still have a job – my new employment situation has put me back in the stock-trading mood and now I have the luxury of saying I don’t give a damn about my new employer, my hospital – anything but doing a good job for the patients and taking care of myself and my family. Feels good to not be a team player. I’m changing my priorities for the new year; first priority is studying for my commercial rating; my old Cessna is a real solid old gal and I do love her so. It’s a real sign of respect to an airplane to fly it well. That’s my priority now; corporate medicine and corporate medical types can suck my crank.

    Just sold GE, EBAY, HOG (Harley-Davidson). Had a good run on Harley but held on too long. Looking at buying PM, Aeropostale, JNJ, Altria, Exxon Mobil, more Apple, Cognizant Tech Solutions. Should be an interesting year. When I am on my game I can do better in the market than I can working, but when I moved here I decided to go the martyr route and go all out for my hospital, of course thereby neglecting my investments. That’s in the past, but as they say, no good deed goes unpunished. My goal now is to walk out that hospital door as soon as I can. As they say in Wisconsin, Fuck ’em, Bucky. Let them read their own goddamned X-rays. And good luck finding a young stud with kids and a demanding wife (DW – “doctor’s wife”) to live in the booger woods.

    65 degrees here today. My niece in Cleveland cried Uncle and asked to come live with me for a while. Those damned Cleveland winters play hob with her psyche. Her husband is a good guy and said fine. I’m sure her depression is driving him crazy anyway.

    Anyway, to everyone and theirs, a happy and prosperous New Year. If I said anything inappropriate, blame it on my seven toddies. It IS New Year’s Eve, after all…

    Doc

  2. And the Commenter of the Year Award goes to:

    Tex Taylor with 4286 comments

    The runners up are:

    Poolman 1884 comments
    Dead Rabbit 1691 comments
    El Tigre 1626 comments
    and finally
    Blackiswhite Imperial Consigliere with 887 comments

    Congrats! There is an Obama bumper sticker in the mail for each of you! As the grand winner, Tex has won a $1000.00 contribution to the Obama campaign in his name, and of course published on the Obama for America web site! ::lol:

  3. 😯 You mean I won something? You mean I posted over 4,000 comments here – over 10 comments a day? Lord, I do need to get a life. That’s almost as many comments as I posted in five years at Little Green Footballs – my real former home base and for a few months Chenzhen’s. I’ve gotten worse instead of better.

    Well, I will say other than screwing around at Margaret and Helen’s to shake the monkey cage, occasionally harassing ESPN and Yahoo folks that know zero about sports (I specialize in lighting their butts on fire), the 10 comments or so I post at PJMedia a month, a couple at Gorillas, BICS, and Alfies, this has been my home away from home. Obviously, I’m consistently wasting way too much time. Can’t do that anymore. I’m sure that would put me well over 5,000 for the year.

    😥

    But thank you Rutherford for letting me share in your life. Your little girl is really cute and I hope your wife and you find peace and security in Chicago. And I hope next November in addition to being $100.00 richer, you get to say hello to President Romney.

    Everybody here but mom will be going home tomorrow and I have had a wonderful two weeks with my family. Sucks to grow old – sucks even more to lose your kids.

    —————

    Pfesser, I’ve owned several of the stocks you’ve listed, but I’ll offer free advice from experience on a few. I have a portfolio of about twenty main stocks that I used for our cash account and to pay kid’s school, insurance and expenses, most of which I have held for some 10-20 years, some of which I have sold off over the last few years. I got out at the right time on JPM, the wrong time on GE and Rio Tinto, bailed on the commodities including gold at 1,640 after a good run. Overall, the account has done reasonably okay and beaten my index funds.

    But I will tell you that my poorest performer besides GE, which I lost over 50% (and that’s the only real loser) has been MicroSoft, followed by JNJ and Walmart. Recently Walmart has done okay – but only recently. I don’t even know why I own Microsoft – old habit, I think.

    I would go with Procter And Gamble over JNJ, which was doubled the performance I have had with Johnson over the life of the fund. Just a thought.

    My best performer? Exxon Mobil – even better than gold.

    And I checked today and looked back over the last five years. Talk about depleting cash. 😯 I really need to go back to work if we are going to make it to retirement without paying a huge penalty. Because the last six years, I have gone through over $200K from that account – and that is with a paid mortgage.

    Gulp. Damn, life is expensive. No wonder the blue haired crowd is still working, because I am going to be too if I make it long enough.

    Retirement at 42 was not what I had planned.

    Happy New Year to everyone – even those I loathe. 🙂

    2010 and 2011 sucked – the worst two years of my life, probably. I don’t look for much in 2012 either, and it may get a whole lot worse from my observation.

  4. I really hope I do get my Obama gift in your name Rutherford. In fact, I am going to be hugely disappointed if I don’t receive something from someone for the fun I have had at the worst President in U.S. History’s expense.

    I have something special planned for the picture, complete with fro and pic. Bonus points to you Brother Rutherford, if you can get me something with Shelly included in the mix. 😀

    And my “fountain” is working. Only took about ten hours, $103.00 to get the new electrical box installed, the conduit run, the box to house the adapter built, the shovel labor, and something to mount in on.

    My mother was thrilled and my wife likes it. Mickey loves it.

    Me, I find it a strange contraption than gurgles a lot and something old people might have in their backyard.

  5. Same back at ya Kat, and I have to credit my wife with that one. She watched our Tivo’d “Up with Chris Hayes” before I did and he mentioned the cartoon. She found it and printed it out for me because it describes our relationship to a tee. 🙂

  6. One bennie of our move this year. We rang in the New Year twice. Once with our traditional viewing of the last ten minutes of “New Years Rockin’ Eve” and then again an hour later with the local Chicago coverage.

    Happy New Year everyone. 2012 is gonna be a blast!!!! 😀

  7. Happy New Year people!

    I’ve narrowed my answer to the poll down to 2.

    Whew. 2011 was a doozy. I attempted a personal account of events similar to the poll and I didn’t finish before I quit. I can hardly look back without wincing.

    Congratulations on your baby boy Rabbit. It’s been nice hearing you talk about your little guy, and I’m glad he’ll have a brother. My poor brother had to grow up with 4 sisters. To say he wanted a brother is understating it. I pretty sure I heard him frequently praying for one. 🙂

    Cheers to the end of 2011.

  8. And congratulations Tex! That’s a caboodle of comments!

    Well friend, when it comes to rattling cages – you are formidable. I don’t mind saying that I find that a great many of your comments to be thoughtful and thought-provoking as well.

    On the whole, Rutherford, this is quite a group you have here. Quite a group. 🙂

  9. Cheers to the end of 2011.

    Muffy, I’ll drink to that!

    And the blogger of the year award goes to Rutherford for allowing Tex an outlet 😉

    Keep rattling the cages, Tex as you do make one stand up for their beliefs.

    Happy New Year to all.

    Can’t seem to narrow down the choices on the poll so I’ll click all! It’s like a house of cards, when one tumbles they all come tumbling after.

  10. I voted Arab Spring but I do so with the major stipulation that the points I’ve listed in my latest post re the AS are in play.
    I’d like to comment on the rest.
    Gifford=irrelevant,if you look deeper you see how some of the agenda folks are as sick as the guy that pulled the trigger.
    OBL= newsworthy but I couldn’t vote for it.
    Steve who? btw that has more ummph when you know I’m a devoted Mac user. God bless him but…
    Debt ceiling debate. I wanted to vote for that one but the stips are too plentiful. That is the #1 domestic issue on the poll though. It speaks volumes to our broken system and the dire need for term limit legislation. It also speaks to why 2012 will SUCK!
    Iraq. Sadly the big yawner. The close of a failed escapade. I say that with absolute sorrow in my heart for those that served there. There is so much one could say about the exit compared to the entrance and what that all says about us.
    OWS Like a spent low end toy rocket. Sputter sputter…
    Euro Debt= World econ. This would be my #2 for the international issue. Far reaching this will be and its not near done. Happy New Year.
    Dem scandals etc. Lot of stones facing this one R, perhaps you’d concede some media bias doth exists?
    GOP. Only slightly more worthy to be included in the overall poll. I score it half a notch over Giffords with a full notch deducted for the fact that the Giffords thing at least has deeper angles to explore.

  11. Happy New Year! I hope! This past one was tough.

    I voted the occupy movement as the biggest event from your list since it is a still growing movement and represents a foundational schism in our world. It is a global revolution, though messy and not at all cohesive.

    OWS is related in ways to the Arab spring, which I think started in 2010 and maybe earlier. It also relates to the debt crisis that started before that.

    ~~~~~~~~~

    I guess I’ll have to combine comments into one post, since Rutherford is counting. 😆 Good thing he didn’t count words or emoticons or aliases, eh Wayne? Too funny.

  12. On the whole, Rutherford, this is quite a group you have here. Quite a group. 🙂

    Happy New Year Muffy and thank you. I’m actually quite proud of this place. Sometimes we get a newbie who shows up and disappears but then we get someone like El Tigre who shows up and keeps showing up. I like the ones that have staying power and I do take a bit of credit for creating an environment where they can enjoy the to and fro, I’m even more proud that folks who discovered me commenting on other sites and deemed me a total assh*le followed me here and made a home here. I think I can count El Tigre, Tex and Rabbit among them. 🙂

  13. Alfie, thanks for the detailed analysis … exactly what I was looking for from our other denizens but I guess it’s hard to get detailed with a New Years hangover. 🙂

    I also voted for Arab Spring and surprise surprise it was not out of some pollyannish belief in the wonderful spread of democracy. I share your concerns.

    Consider this: beginning of 2011 we had Mubarek, Gadaffi and Assad. The one left standing today on the first day of 2012 is the most brutal of the three. In the meantime we have actively or passively enabled instability in these other countries, with factions taking over that may prove disastrous for the region. The way this has shaken up the region will have repercussions into this year and beyond.

    A couple of clarifications: I included Giffords on the list for two reasons. First, her shooting prompted an over the top reaction (including from me) against Sarah Palin for whom we were just itching for an excuse to kill her political chances. It was visceral, not strategized one bit. And I will maintain Palin took an opportunity to rise above the muck and stand out and squandered it (e.g. “blood libel”). Second, the story of Giffords’ recovery was one of the truly inspirational ones of 2011. With a combination of good luck (bullet trajectory) and a beautiful will to live. she truly gave light in an otherwise dark year. (I strongly recommend the ABC interview to anyone. It was not political. It will leave you smiling inside and out.)

    I included the “Dem scandals” because as I scanned the list I realized a liberal bias creeping in which I didn’t consider fair to a great number of my readers.

  14. I’d kind of forgotten about Old Wayne. 😆

    Hey Tool ™, did you and the Fat Grannies crowd ever look Wayne and MariPat up? They were going to “out” me at Fat Grannies. Some poor SOB here in town gets a call from outraged and hideous old hags, not having a clue to what the hell they are screaming about. I chuckled for days over that.

    Gawd, those women that reside there are dumb. It’s amazing they have the ability to walk upright.

  15. Arab Spring. Not even close choice for me.

    The debt crisis is worse now than then. Wait until Bongo comes back with hat in hand for another $1.2 trillion and they downgrade us again, with mindless libs blaming Boehner for lack of cooperation. Libs slither to walk…

    The Arab Spring real ramifications haven’t even been felt yet. It’s going to get bloody everywhere – hence, the decision was an easy one for me.

  16. By the way “R”, I thought your cartoon on this thread was the funniest yet. That was one of those the more I thought about it, went from funny, to hell yeah, “Rutherford is right! Why am I doing this?”

    I have often thought the same.

  17. I’d say the Dem scandals, but the only one that the mainstream press really wanted to talk about was Weiner’s weiner.

    While it was amusing to see the arrogant prick trip over his dick, the real story is that Holder is still the AG and that King Putt hasn’t been summoned to Congress to answer some very uncomfortable questions.

  18. The Holder legacy is a sad page in the DoJ history. I apply that condemnation outward to include the regional DA/AG or whatever they’re called who serve under Erics reign,like the one grooming his resume in AZ.

  19. I’m with Poolman. 2012 is going to be some fascinating shit.

    Keep your eye on the ball, boys. Opportunity always abounds during fucked up times.

    2011 was chink year of the Rabbit. My come back year.

    2012 is year of the Dragon.

  20. Shock and awe. Our preferred method for change.

    ☻☻☻☻☻☻☻

    Tex, I remember when one of the gals thought for sure she had found you as Wayne Perram and wife Maripat, living in some hodunk town in OK. I knew they were barking up the wrong tree, seeing as Wayne is like 10 years older than you. But they ran with it anyway. Some people’s kids… 😀

    ☻☻☻☻☻☻☻

    I hope we can send Holder to prison. That would be a start in the right direction. He isn’t alone and should have plenty of company.

    ☻☻☻☻☻☻☻

    Year of the Dragon! Yes! Saddle that bitch.

    Got my eyes wide open and ear to the ground. Bring it on!

    It has started off rather nicely. Upper 70’s and plenty of sunshine.

  21. poolman one could assume you are one of those now frantically comparing the 20 teens to the thirties in history.

    I try not to assume or act frantically. As I research events of the past, I do see patterns of human development and suppression in society. We do not collectively learn from these, but tend to fall into cyclical trends. Much like fashion, civilizations go through familiar phases in their development and decline.

    History repeats, as you should know if you are a true student of history. The difference today is that we are operating in a global capacity. No longer are incidents localized, but they often affect the rest of us.

    The advantage today is the exploding knowledge available to all classes of people instantaneously. This has been a source of enlightenment and awakening in the global populace, the result often threatening those that wish to control us. It is their greatest enemy today. That is why we are constantly bombarded with misinformation.

    So, whether we draw comparisons to other times and events, it serves as a barometer and gives us insight as to what can or is about to occur. The moment is unique and can be MANipulated™ in many ways to produce an outcome. A reason to be strong in the moment and quit dwelling on the past.

    Change has to start from within each of us if we expect to see progress outside of ourselves.

    Choose this day who you will serve.

  22. I thought there weren’t Death Panels in Obamacare? I thought Sarah Palin was lying and that was documented by FactCheck and Polifact (two liberal shill groups posing as FACT).

  23. Tex, I remember when one of the gals thought for sure she had found you as Wayne Perram and wife Maripat, living in some hodunk town in OK.

    You were one of the “girls” that made the accusation at Fat Grannies. 😈 You’re were calling my wife MariPat, so I looked up what you found – and sure enough, there was poor Wayne and Maripat. 😆 😆

    That “hodunk” town is a suburb of Tulsa. When did hodunk become 3/4 of a million people?

  24. “You were one of the “girls” that made the accusation at Fat Grannies.”

    That’s the difference between this place and some dive bar. poolman deserved to get cracked for taking part in that kind of shit. He lost his man card for that one. One dotted eye, and all forgotten, but, alas, we are all just keyboard cowboys. .

  25. You were one of the “girls” that made the accusation at Fat Grannies.

    Sorry, not me. Another one of your distorted fantasies. I did not promote or denounce the accusation(s).

    As far as hodunk, some folks consider the entire state as being so. 😛

    Really though, it was an unrecognizable name I don’t recall.

  26. Rabbit, we got three weeks till the Year of the dragon. Mend your harnesses. I got my rigging all laid out. 😉

  27. Curious….Is all the Year of the Dragon talk limited to the Chinese calendar or are you all subconsciously aware that the PRC is gonna bitch slap the USA repeatedly in 2012??

  28. I got a little lost in your comment poolman. Bottom line there are those that see socialisms glory days in the 30’s as possibly enjoying a rebirth in the new year and this decade in general. People should remember how that played out before.

  29. You think you and your buddy’s good pal Solyndra Kaiser lives in poverty, do you Tool ™? You’re not only uneducated, untraveled and ignorant, you’re even more sheltered than Rutherford.

    I guess you have no clue that my hometown is incredibly rich, do you Tool ™? The first billionaire in the world lived here. Ever heard of J. Paul Getty, bohunk? How about Frank Phillips of Conoco Phillips? How about Harold Hamm, the richest oilman of them all? You think Tulsa is called the Oil Capital of the World because we’re poor? We have three billionaire oilmen in this town alone. On second thought, why am I asking you? 😈 Hell no, you wouldn’t have the slightest idea.

    So I looked up the Maripat fiasco. It’s you and your buddy Princess Donna. What you do over there at Chatty Kitchen, Princess? Hanging around with a bunch of hags. What do you gals talk about at Chatty Kitchen? Patterns and material for your dresses?

    Listen Tool ™, you calling anything ‘hodunk’ is the height of irony. Every time I see your name in print, and it’s been this way from the start since I toasted your loins at Fat Grannies, my mind plays Dueling Banjos, followed by here little piggy, piggy.

    Somebody who can’t pay his own phone bill or his tax bill shouldn’t be referring to anybody or anything as hodunk.

  30. “I thought there weren’t Death Panels in Obamacare? ”

    Hell, there are death panels NOW. Every day, physicians who care most about patients and their families take those families into a small room or a chapel and say, “Grandma has had a good life. We are at the point now where there is nothing more we can do for her.” I have never had such a family say, “NO! Do everything you can!” Ever. They are almost always relieved that “it’s time to let go.” They knew that all along but nobody dared say it.

    Looking from it at the Obamacare standpoint: Most new doctors these days are taught to puss out and not do the above. We do everything we can to prolong the suffering of the terminally ill or terminally old, because “the government” pays for it. We shirk our duties as Doctors – which is to say, relieving pain and suffering – and most importantly, acting as independent, rational advocates for the best interests of our patients, all of whom will die. Our job is not to fight death, it is to bring some dignity to it.

    Hard headed fiscal conservatives like me know that economics is the distribution of limited resources that have alternate uses. Every dollar that goes to prolong Granny’s death (not life, no matter what they say) could be used for other purposes. As long as resources are limited, they cannot all be used up to prolong the life of a 99 year-old with Alzheimer’s. Conservatives all understand that, but it is just too tempting to hang “death panels” around Obama’s neck. No matter who is president, we cannot keep putting out unlimited resources for limited ends.

  31. I guess you have no clue that my hometown is incredibly rich, do you Tool ™?

    Do tell. My compost pile is incredibly rich too. 😀

    I’m certain there must be a perceived accusation floating around somewhere that ties that peg and its entangling cord to some kind of foundation in reality. Let me venture a guess…

    I don’t recall calling Okies hodunk, just that some (meaning if one polled the country) would consider the entire state as such. I did claim the town was hodunk, but really only because when it was first brought up it wasn’t recognizable like “Tulsa” to me and so I flippantly declared it hodunk. My bad. Apologies to all 3/4 of a million breathing residents and any accompanying citizens in production.

    Now pull that burr out of your ass and see if we can get through the year without having to explain ourselves multiple times due to a lackadaisical reading comprehension and ill partitioned mental blockages.

    It’s certain Tex hasn’t made or in the least kept any new year’s resolutions.

  32. Now pull that burr out of your ass and see if we can get through the year without having to explain ourselves multiple times due to a lackadaisical reading comprehension and ill partitioned mental blockages.

    You keep talking about some fault of mental blockage and reading comprehension skills, but you keep forgetting something very important, Tool ™.

    You are, without doubt, the most uneducated, illiterate, mathematically challenged, and moronic person on this entire board. You’re not smart enough to use a hammer. My favorite anecdote of yours is when you went off about an error in spelling in some V.T. article, but without your spell checker, you couldn’t spell moo.

    Tool ™, who do you think you’re fooling here with your weak ass retorts?

    You’re dumber than dogshit, even at Fat Grannies.

  33. Tool ™,

    Your compost pile is your living room floor. And you can tell what you’ve had for dinner the last two weeks by the top of the dinner table.

    I’ll bet you’re personally filthy Tool ™, with horrible personal hygiene. You smell like a colonostomy bag.

    When I worked in the emergency room, and some ward of the state like you strolled in, we’d immediately put on the HEPA mask and a HAZMAT suit.

    “Somebody get me a pair of tongs and the loppers. Poolman strolled in for free healthcare again and we’ll need to cut off his shit stained pants to pull his head out of his ass.”

    There’s my New Year’s resolution – to mock your sorry, mooching ass at least once a day.

  34. Tex, I remember when one of the gals thought for sure she had found you as Wayne Perram

    Could someone please explain to me Fat Grannies penchant for trying to out people? Do they fancy themselves amateur Internet sleuths? I’ve never seen anything like it.

  35. I thought there weren’t Death Panels in Obamacare?

    And you have the gall to criticize Poolman for off the wall sh*t.

    First, the caller to the Mark Levin show could have been a plumber so puhleeeeeze, Second, the chat on the YouTube page indicates a dispute regarding the caller’s comments. The org’s mentioned in the call say he’s full of crap. Third, there are death panels NOW you nimrod. Your care is dictated not by your doctor but by the private insurance companies.

    I’ve just finished reading more asinine comments on BiW and Alfie’s blog regarding the Anyone But Obama phenom and I’m in no mood for BS today. 👿

  36. I mean this with all due respect. Stay far, far away from me and mine, or your death will be painful and lack dignity.

    LOL that’s priceless. Hey BiW, didn’t you know Pfesser graduated from Jack Kevorkian Medical School? 🙂

  37. You’re dumber than dogshit, even at Fat Grannies.

    Well I certainly won’t step into that, knowing full well where my expertise doesn’t lie. You have much more experience and heavy lifting in that department. 😆

    My wife once ranted, “If you’re gonna be a turd, go lay in the yard!”

    If I had taken her advice, I might could better relate to the dumbness of dogshit. As it is, I’ve never assigned intellect to excrement, whether canine or otherwise. I never even considered location as a function of intellect either. Obviously, I have so much to learn.

  38. Off topic but … I don’t know whether it’s the new year or what but my damn SPAM folder in my email is getting flooded. It had tapered off there for a while.

    I’ve got two more off topics for ya … read on.

  39. Off topic 2 of 3:

    Last night while watching TV, I saw an appeal for aid to starving Africans followed immediately by a NutriSystems commercial. I kid you not. I couldn’t think of a worse juxtaposition. 😐

  40. I’ve just finished reading more asinine comments on BiW and Alfie’s blog regarding the Anyone But Obama phenom and I’m in no mood for BS today.

    ABO. The only choice. Better suck it up, because you’ve got eleven more months of that same message. What is asinine is to even consider Obama for another four years. Death wish to re-elect an EPIC FAILURE.

    So perhaps you would like to place a bet that the “plumber” isn’t correct? Strange how our “plumber” knew exactly the number of years and fellowship of a neurosurgeon – something some “genius” like you certainly would not know.

  41. Well I certainly won’t step into that, knowing full well where my expertise doesn’t lie.

    You’re only field of expertise is stepping in it, dumbass.

    You’re a human bowling pin, too stupid to even recognize when people are pointing fingers and laughing at you, as you make another roll into the gutter.

  42. Off topic 3 of 3: We have a new euphemism for gay in the Lawson house, invented by my daughter who has only a very basic understanding of the concept.

    The set up: There is a sitcom called “The Middle” which we’ve become quite fond of. We were watching season 1 DVD a week or two ago when they introduced the character of “Sue’s boyfriend”. Sue is the junior high age daughter in the family who brings home this incredibly effeminate classmate as her boyfriend. Sue’s parents are convinced the kid is gay-in-training but don’t want to break it to her.

    Incident number 1: With indirect thanks to El Tigre, my wife was watching the honey badger video accidentally within earshot of my daughter. After a minute or two, my kid said “he sounds like Sue’s boyfriend.”

    Incident number 2: We were watching Up with Chris Hayes yesterday morning when a representative from FrumForum was on. The dude appeared to be pretty light in the loafers. My wife and I gave each other a silent knowing glance. My daughter then piped up and said “He sounds like Sue’s boyfriend.”

    So there you have it, the new euphemism in the Lawson household for gay is “sounds like Sue’s boyfriend”.

    As a bonus, for anyone who hasn’t watched the honey badger vid, enjoy:

  43. There’s a difference between and informed medical decisions involving the patient and family members and administrative decisions tied to resource allocation imposed by bureaucrats.

  44. “I mean this with all due respect. Stay far, far away from me and mine, or your death will be painful and lack dignity.”

    And I mean this with no respect whatsoever:

    1) Better make your first shot count; I never miss.

    2) Stick with pushing papers; in a couple of short paragraphs you have demonstrated conclusively that the serious questions of life and death are well over your head.

  45. “Stick with pushing papers; in a couple of short paragraphs you have demonstrated conclusively that the serious questions of life and death are well over your head.”

    😆 😆 😆

    Why it seems like only yesterday or resident Putin-like radiologist was bragging about his hand in aborting some little “bastard” that might have wound up as a family member.

  46. “Why it seems like only yesterday or resident Putin-like radiologist was bragging about his hand in aborting some little “bastard” that might have wound up as a family member.”

    Precisely

  47. I’ve just finished reading more asinine comments on BiW and Alfie’s blog regarding the Anyone But Obama phenom and I’m in no mood for BS today.

    Please. You got your ass handed to you, and rightfully so.

    1) Better make your first shot count; I never miss.

    Soooooo much assumption wrapped up in that chest thump.

    Its one thing to be wrong. Its another to be loud about it.

    2) Stick with pushing papers; in a couple of short paragraphs you have demonstrated conclusively that the serious questions of life and death are well over your head.

    Jack, (You don’t mind if I call you Jack, do you? Too Bad.)

    Your first duty is to do no harm. Now if we were to get to a point where you said to me “Its time to get your affairs in order, because we’ve reached the end of my capabilities.”, that’s one thing. What I decide to do from that point is another. You have no right to decide for me what “dying with dignity” is, nor do you have any right “help me” me to do it. You don’t have the authority to determine that it is my time to die, and if I were cowardly enough to decide to choose my own time rather than making that asshole death come to me, there are any number of ways that require nothing from someone who looks at slides all day to make it happen. Now run along. I’m sure there is some shallow bint you can drive to Planned Murderhood because she was too stupid or too lazy to show a modicum of responsibility and keep her legs shut or actually use some birth control, oh great bio-ethicist.

  48. Not for nothing PF but you’re pissing into the wind and telling yourself its raining.
    I’ll give you, as I do others (and myself) the benefit of the doubt that in a face to face conversation #’s 40,57 & 59 wouldn’t be such disjointed garbage pile but seriously….

  49. “Your first duty is to do no harm.”

    Yep. Not bad for a layman. Keep going…

    “Now if we were to get to a point where you said to me “Its time to get your affairs in order, because we’ve reached the end of my capabilities.”, that’s one thing.”

    So far so good…

    “What I decide to do from that point is another.”

    Agreed.

    “You have no right to decide for me what “dying with dignity” is, nor do you have any right “help me” me to do it.”

    Never said I did. You made that up.

    “You don’t have the authority to determine that it is my time to die,”

    Never said that either. So far we agree completely. (Of course I think we can agree that physicians DO have the expertise to know when further treatment is futile.)

    “and if I were cowardly enough to decide to choose my own time rather than making that asshole death come to me, there are any number of ways that require nothing from someone who looks at slides all day to make it happen.”

    A brilliant analysis. So……….what’s your beef?

    *********

    “Now run along”

    I’ll make that decision, thanks.

    “I’m sure there is some shallow bint”

    What’s a bint? Is that like a yute?

    “too stupid or too lazy to show a modicum of responsibility and keep her legs shut or actually use some birth control,”

    Yes, we all know that’s the answer, don’t we? Abstinence has worked sooooooo well for all those churcher-girls, hasn’t it? Sorry, they can’t get any birth control; it might be a gateway drug to sex. And that could lead to dancing. Or abortion.

    “oh great bio-ethicist”

    Why thank you, o great paper-pusher.

    “Jack, (You don’t mind if I call you Jack, do you? Too Bad.)”

    Why, no, not at all! You don’t mind if I call you Ted, do you?

    (I heard he stopped smoking. About three weeks ago.)

    Cheers.

  50. You’re only field of expertise is stepping in it, dumbass.

    Now you’re being silly. That is simply not true and beyond your perview. I am admittedly an expert at avoiding it. And having no dogs of my own, I for sure don’t contribute to or promote it.

    So, I bow to your authority on the subject, realizing full well that you are better acquainted with anything dogshit related. 😎

  51. Yes, we all know that’s the answer, don’t we?

    Yes, we do. Abstinence works every time its used. Well, almost everytime. Good thing Mary couldn’t run on down to her local chapter of Planned Murderhood, huh?

    A lotta blood money pouring through those offices…both from the victims being preyed upon and the taxpayers being made accomplices. But hey, since John Holdren, Zeke Emmanuel, Mags Sanger, and Pfesser approve, it must be ok, right?

  52. That narrator for the honey badger is one flaming dudette. 😆

    I caught a few of his other nature narrations, is he for real? If he is, I don’t think he ever had a man card.

    I bet he’d be for cigar pleasuring, Tigre. 😆

  53. According to Susan Lindauer the CIA had planned for a peaceful and profitable arrangement with Saddam in Iraq to allow US control of the lion’s share of the reconstruction contracts after the UN sanctions were lifted.

    The CIA saw the writing on the wall. International loathing for “genocide by sanctions” had reached such a peak of outrage that there was no possibility of re-crafting the hated policy. Secretary of State Colin Powell’s vision of “smart sanctions” had come too late.
    The CIA was determined to control the agenda for the advantage of the United States, however. And so quietly through my back channel, we undertook a proactive, covert dialogue over exactly what concessions Iraq would offer the United States, in exchange for lifting the sanctions. As a long-time opponent of sanctions myself, I was eager to get results.

    That dialogue—even the existence of our back channel to Iraq’s Embassy at the United Nations from 1996 to 2003—was strictly covert, kept close and precious— away from Washington pundits and think tanks whose ignorance would have smashed all progress on the rocks. Our dialogue was no less vigorous for that secrecy.

    This was the CIA at its best. Nobody got soft on Saddam’s government. By any measure, the CIA’s demands far exceeded the U.N. mandate to eliminate Iraq’s WMDs. If there was going to be peace, it would have to be rock solid, with zero chance that Baghdad would bite the United States in retaliation for those years of misery and death.

    Other factions in our government had different ideas and set in motion the invasion and subsequent war and occupation. Many opposed to the administration’s “narrative” were silenced through preconceived and newly enacted laws.

    All three U.S. Assets covering the Iraqi Embassy in New York got thrown in prison as “Iraqi Agents,” citing the Patriot Act. All of us faced secret charges, secret evidence and secret grand jury testimony. Myself, I spent a year locked up on Carswell Air Force Base without a trial or hearing, threatened with indefinite detention.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/01/02/iraq-legacy-of-deception-and-its-costs/

  54. Good thing Mary couldn’t run on down to her local chapter of Planned Murderhood, huh?

    Since you went there BiW, is there anything in the Bible about why Joseph didn’t blow his top and tell Mary she was full of sh*t about the immaculate conception?

  55. Huck … the funny thing is my daughter loves animal videos so much, the cuss words went right over her head. I cringed on the f*cks and sh*ts and waited for “Daddy he said a bad word”, but nothing. Just “he sounds like Sue’s boyfriend.” LOL

    P.S. Before you guys accuse me of child abuse, no I don’t normally expose my kid to expletive drenched videos. 😐

  56. Ahhhh, PF’s friends need some bail money. Hey porn star, why don’t you wire some blood money to Mr and Mrs Ripper…

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Two out-of-state doctors who traveled to Maryland to perform late-term abortions have been arrested and charged with multiple counts of murder under the state’s viable fetus law, authorities said.

    Dr. Steven Brigham, of Voorhees, N.J., was taken into custody Wednesday night and is being held in the Camden County jail, according to police in Elkton, Md. Authorities also arrested Dr. Nicola Riley in Salt Lake City and she is in jail in Utah. Each is awaiting an extradition hearing.

    The two doctors were indicted by a grand jury after a 16-month investigation, police said.

    The investigation began in August 2010 after a botched procedure at Brigham’s Elkton clinic. An 18-year-old woman who was 21 weeks pregnant had her uterus ruptured and her bowel injured, and rather than call 911, Brigham and Riley drove her to a nearby hospital, where both were uncooperative and Brigham refused to give his name, authorities said.

    A search of the clinic after the botched abortion revealed a freezer with 35 late-term fetuses inside, including one believed to have been aborted at 36 weeks, authorities said.

    Brigham, 55, is charged with five counts of first-degree murder, five counts of second-degree murder and one count of conspiracy. Riley, 46, faces one count each of first- and second-degree murder and one conspiracy count.

  57. At some point R, reality has to sink in…

    (WaPo) — Releasing information on the Friday before a big holiday is a time-tested way to bury bad news. So when the Government Accountability Office’s fiscal 2011 financial statements for the federal government were released on the Friday before Christmas, it made sense to read them closely.

    Since 1997, the United States has been a rare example of a government willing to publish financial statements using accrual accounting, which counts the cost of promises made as well as cash paid out. And the GAO’s professionalism over the years has won it a reputation for impartiality and effectiveness.

    That professionalism is evident in the GAO analysis of the net present value of the Social Security and Medicare promises Washington has made to Americans. “Net present value” means the total that would have to be set aside today to pay the costs of these programs [Medicare and Social Security] in the future. The government puts these numbers in appendices, rather than in headlines. But the costs are real.

    In fiscal 2011, the cost of the promises grew from $30.9 trillion to $33.8 trillion. To put that in context, consider that the total value of companies traded on U.S. stock markets is $13.1 trillion, based on the Wilshire 5000 index, and the value of the equity in U.S. taxpayers’ homes, according to Freddie Mac, is $6.2 trillion. Said another way, there is not enough wealth in America to meet those promises.

    If the government followed corporate accounting rules, that $2.9 trillion increase would be added to the $1.3 trillion cash deficit for fiscal 2011 that has been widely reported. And a $4.2 trillion deficit is something that Americans need to know about.

  58. “Ahhhh, PF’s friends need some bail money. Hey porn star, why don’t you wire some blood money to Mr and Mrs Ripper…”

    “WASHINGTON (AP) — Two out-of-state doctors who traveled to Maryland to perform late-term abortions have been arrested and charged with multiple counts of murder under the state’s viable fetus law, authorities said.”

    Ah yes, we all have mal-practitioners in our professions, don’t we? Those docs sound pretty bad, but of course we only have one side of the story, don’t we?

    Since you like news articles, how about this one?

    ‘Ted Bundy:

    He was attractive, smart, and had a future in politics. He was also one of the most prolific serial killers in U.S. history. Ted Bundy screamed his innocence until his death in the electric chair became imminent, then he tried to use his victims one more time – to keep himself alive. His plan failed and the world got a glimpse of the true evil inside him.

    Theodore Robert Cowell:
    Ted Bundy was born Theodore Robert Cowell to Louise Cowell on November 24, 1946, at the Elizabeth Lund Home for Unwed Mothers in Burlington, Vermont. After eight weeks at the home Louise returned to her parents’ house in Philadelphia to raise her new son. For the first several years of his life Ted thought his grandparents were his parents and his mother was his sister. In 1951 Louise and Ted moved to Tacoma, Washington and Louise married Johnnie Bundy, a military cook.

    Bundy’s Teenage Years:
    Despite his parental circumstances and meager surroundings Bundy was well behaved and grew into an attractive teen who was generally liked and who performed well in school. After high school he entered the University of Puget Sound and continued to do well academically, but felt uncomfortable around his fellow peers who were predominantly wealthy. In his sophomore year Bundy transferred to the University of Washington to escape the uncomfortable feeling of his financial inadequacy.

    Socially Challenged:
    Throughout his years at high school Bundy suffered from acute shyness that resulted in his appearing socially awkward. This affliction followed him to college and although Bundy had friends he never blended comfortably into doing much of the social activities others were doing. He rarely dated and kept to himself. But in 1967 Bundy met the woman of his dreams. She was pretty, wealthy, and sophisticated. They both shared a skill and passion for skiing and spent many weekends on the ski slopes.’

    &c &c. It goes on a long way; Unlike yourself, out of respect for the blog owner I won’t clog the space up with the rest of the very long story.

    What else ya got? I feel particularly frisky on this beautiful sunny first-week of the New Year morning.

  59. So the abortion doctors are akin to Ted Bundy. Takin’ care of the little bastards!

    Chalk that up us another win for yourself. Great “argumentation.” 😆

  60. Oh my. Weiner is into wieners…

    R hardest hit…

    Disgraced former New York Congressman Anthony Weiner was caught in online trysts with numerous women, but RadarOnline.com has exclusively learned that according to one of his mistresses, he expressed wanting a threesome — with another man. […]

    “I’m not really talking about other chicks. . . How about with another guy?” Weiner asked Nobles.

    “Hmmmm, haven’t done it before,” Nobles said.

    “It can be hot,” Weiner replies.

    “Are you turned on by other guys?” Nobles asked.

    “Well it depends on the guy, but generally yes,” Weiner divulges.

  61. Hey look, Ron Paul with the founder of Stormfront. How unsurprising…

    But it does reaffirm Tool’s ™ affinity for him. Perhaps I need to change to ABO or Paul. 😀

  62. You need to change your shtick. It’s pretty tired. You want to challenge me to a spelling contest now? 😆

    You’re a mighty insecure man, PF. All of your bragging and b.s. makes it painfully obvious that you’re a cave dwelling radiologist spending your time blogging at Fat Grannies because looking at images rather than actually treating patients which you are not qualified to do is professionally unfulfilling, you get your ass beat in “argumentation” every time, you’re a weak old man that got his ass beat as a kid and by anyone on this board including Rutherford today, and couldn’t attract a women without a fist full of hundred dollar bills let alone satisfy her.

    You’re not really a doctor, are you? 😆

  63. I wasn’t some guy hanging out in bars, or a bum. I wasn’t a pervert in the sense that people look at somebody and say, “I know there’s something wrong with him.” I was a normal person. I had good friends. I led a normal life, except for this one, small but very potent and destructive segment that I kept very secret and close to myself. Those of us who have been so influenced by violence in the media, particularly pornographic violence, are not some kind of inherent monsters. We are your sons and husbands. We grew up in regular families. Pornography can reach in and snatch a kid out of any house today. It snatched me out of my home 20 or 30 years ago. ~ Ted Bundy, the day before he was executed being interviewed

  64. Long read, but well worth adding to your personal memoirs of why not only is Obama is a ghoul of a President, but his entire cast of advisers are incompetent thieves….

    For a few measly millions, Wall Street not only bought itself a president, but got the start-up firm of B. H. Obama & Co. LLC to throw a cabinet into the deal, too — on remarkably generous terms. President Obama, for a guy prone to delivering prim and smug little homilies denouncing greed, greed, greed — the only of the seven deadly sins that truly offends Democrats (though Mrs. Obama has done some desultory work on gluttony) — is strangely comfortable among the Gordon Gekkos of this world. Shall we have a partial roll call? Beat the drum slowly and call out the names: With unemployment still topping 9 percent, the catastatic world economy teetering on the brink of another, even larger financial catastrophe, and trillion-dollar U.S. deficits as far as the green-shaded eye can see, let’s hear it for Obama’s first National Economic Council director, Lawrence Summers (of hedge-fund giant D. E. Shaw and venture-capital firm Andreessen Horowitz), who has had some nice paydays courtesy of Lehman Bros., JPMorgan Chase, and Citigroup. Let’s hear it for Citigroup’s Michael Froman, deputy assistant to the president and deputy national-security adviser for international economic affairs, for Hartford Financial’s Neal Wolin, deputy Treasury secretary, for JPMorgan’s William Daley, Obama’s chief of staff, and for his predecessor, Rahm Emanuel of Wasserstein Perella. Let’s hear it for Fannie Mae’s Tom Donilon, national-security adviser. (No, seriously: One of the luminous interstellar geniuses who brought Fannie Mae to its current aphotic state of affairs, upside down to the tune of trillions of dollars, is running national security, and the former director of the White House Military Office, Louis Caldera, was on the board of IndyMac when it finally went toes up — sleep tight, America!) And, lest we forget, let’s have three big, sloppy cheers for economic-transition team leaders Robert Rubin (Goldman Sachs, Citigroup) and folksy tax enthusiast/ghoulish billionaire vulture Warren Buffett.

    That’s a pretty fantastic lineup, from Wall Street’s point of view, but the real bonus turned out to be Treasury secretary Tim Geithner, who came up through the ranks as part of the bipartisan Robert Rubin–Hank Paulson–Citigroup–Goldman Sachs cabal. Geithner, a government-and-academe man from way back, never really worked on Wall Street, though he once was offered a gig as CEO of Citigroup, which apparently thought he did an outstanding job as chairman of the New York Fed, where one of his main tasks was regulating Citigroup — until it collapsed into the yawning suckhole of its own cavernous ineptitude, at which point Geithner’s main job became shoveling tens of billions of federal dollars into Citigroup, in an ingeniously structured investment that allowed the government to buy a 27 percent share in the bank, for which it paid more than the entire market value of the bank. If you can’t figure out why you’d pay 100-plus percent of a bank’s value for 27 percent of it, then you just don’t understand high finance or high politics.

    Read the rest…long read – but worth it. If Americans could absorb this, Obama wouldn’t be reelected. He’d be heading to prison.

    ABO

    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/286704/repo-men-kevin-d-williamson

  65. is there anything in the Bible about why Joseph didn’t blow his top and tell Mary she was full of sh*t

    You really don’t have a lot of knowledge about what is in the Bible, do you? You should at least read the Gospels to get a clue. It isn’t much to get through.

    According to scripture, Joseph was visited by an angel in a dream or vision and was told not to divorce Mary, and that the immaculate conception was indeed God’s plan.

    Prior to that, he was going to send her away quietly, not wanting to subject her to stoning but unwilling to marry a pregnant girl.

    It is believed Joseph was quite a bit older than Mary, having lost his first wife and raising some kids of his own. Mary was around 12 or 13 years old at the time, standard marrying age back then.

    So he went ahead with the wedding, even though the community would know Mary was pregnant out of wedlock and later Jesus would be called bastard and treated that way by this same community.

    Mary also went on to have several other children that were conceived in the “normal” way with Joseph, though most Catholics deny she ever had any sexual relations and claim she remained a virgin until her death.

  66. ” I have never had such a family say, “NO! Do everything you can!” Ever.

    Strange statement coming from a Radiologist since they normally don’t interact with the family in a terminal illness of a loved one.

  67. Gorilla @ #84

    That’s what I meant about a house of cards. When one tumbles they all coming tumbling after 😉

    Our politicians really do think they are above the mores of society.

  68. “Strange statement coming from a Radiologist since they normally don’t interact with the family in a terminal illness of a loved one.”

    Not all radiologists start out as radiologists, do they? Some have been ED physicians, for example. Some have been what are now called “hospitalists,” &c. One of my favorite shadow merchants had been a shrink. You get the picture.

    And you don’t need to capitalize “radiologist.” They’re not that important.

  69. Poolman,

    Good explanation, and concerning this one I give you kudos. I ignore Rutherford’s ‘religious’ questions anymore for this reason:

    In case you haven’t figured out Rutherford’s schtick, Rutherford is Christian bigot par excellence. He’s not interested in learning anything. Rutherford’s sole purpose is to offend. We Christians don’t generally vote right, therefore we deserve to be mocked.

    And yes, I think Rutherford is that empty and that shallow.

  70. “Oh, go on. There’s no beating that Ted Bundy argumentation or the course by that name that you located.”

    You’re too nice. Ok then, have your way. I win.

    *************

    Enough of the high-school stuff. Onward…

  71. I have never had such a family say, “NO! Do everything you can!” Ever.

    Strange. I volunteered in EM trauma, even counseled with the aggrieved families, and only once in three plus years heard a family saying anything but “Do everything you can….” Only once did I hear, “let them go.”

    During a national debate for all to see, Terri Shiavo’s family certainly said, “Do everything you can…”, even willing to care for her themselves.

  72. But seriously…The Learning Company is actually quite a find. The last course I did was on Mythology – I’ve done it twice. I think the prof was VanDevander or something like that. I ended up naming my dog Demophon, because he was so ugly that he looked like he had been in a fire.

    If you have a long drive to work or for business trips, the audio tapes can’t be beat. Haven’t done a course in several years, so they may have a new medium – CD or something.

    My work drive is only a few minutes now so I don’t have the incentive, but if they have something on MP3 it might work for long weekend rides on the bike trail. Highly recommended.

  73. So the Ron Paul stuff that is posted is supposed to show what, exactly? I’m gathering that they are supposedly perceived derogatory remarks or positions. If you are trying to pinpoint RP as racist, I think he has more than shown to have moved beyond those days and has apologized multiple times for racist statements appearing in his early writings.

    I find the white supremacist support of Ron Paul not surprising. Those folks get to vote, too. Many of those folks are Libertarian in ideology and want much smaller government.

    Even David Duke supports him. Duke supposedly repentant from his earlier racist beliefs has actually done well in exposing much of the corruption in politics and government.

    These racists will not fit any other platform that I am aware of.

    The first video was put out by Huntsman. I guess he isn’t considered a valid candidate but can be used to slam another.

    Big money is still on Romney. Newt is just a distraction, as are the rest of the contenders. Topped with Goldman Sachs, the banks have contributed the most to get him in.

    http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/contrib.php?cycle=2012&id=N00000286

  74. Tex –

    Trauma is a very different animal from chronic incurable disease. It would not in most cases be appropriate to even ask families about treatment in that situation. You do everything you can, of course.

    re: Schiavo. Terry Schiavo’s husband had a different take on it than her parents, didn’t he? That dichotomy itself says to me that her doctors weren’t worth a tinker’s damn. They could have easily consulted with each other and reached a consensus on treatment, which they would then have conveyed to the family – and everyone would have been on the same page – either treat, or not. Instead we had those medical experts in Congress sticking their jibs in where it was not needed – or appropriate.

  75. During a national debate for all to see, Terri Shiavo’s family certainly said, “Do everything you can…”, even willing to care for her themselves.

    Hmmmm. Wasn’t her husband the one trying to get them to quit the useless heroic and costly measures they were forcing on her because it became a prime time news event and he claimed her wishes were to be allowed to die in peace and without attempts to keep her physically alive?

    I think that’s how I recall it, but I’m not willing to look it up. I could be wrong. Wouldn’t be the first time and I’m certain not the last…

  76. I find the white supremacist support of Ron Paul not surprising. Those folks get to vote, too. Many of those folks are Libertarian in ideology and want much smaller government.

    Even David Duke supports him. Duke supposedly repentant from his earlier racist beliefs has actually done well in exposing much of the corruption in politics and government.” – Shit-for-Brains

    News flash dickhead: you’re one of “those folks”.

  77. re: Schiavo. Terry Schiavo’s husband had a different take on it than her parents, didn’t he?

    Correct. The same husband who had fathered other children with another woman during the legal battle, and stood to collect the insurance premium upon Schiavo’s death. Any fair society would have allowed him to walk free of responsibility, but given the “EX” no say in the matter.

    If the parents of Schiavo were willing to take responsibility for the care and cost, I would be curious as to why you as a physician are so dead set to deprive the patient of the most basic nutrient for life – a hideous and agonizing death, by the way.

    And I disagree with your assessment of trauma or chronic illness making a tinker’s damn worth of difference to the family. A loss of a loved one is a loss no matter the cause.

    Yes, I am aware that calloused but necessary conversation goes on all the time between doctors, knowing fully well the 88 year old massive M.I. is not going to recover, so we choose to “make them comfortable.” But that discussion doesn’t go on with the family, as it would be highly unethical to do so and is completely adverse to the good practice of medicine – a large part which is to provide comfort to the attending members of the family.

    However, you made a statement you worked in ED, never once hearing a family say, “I have never had such a family say, “NO! Do everything you can!” Ever.” And I can tell you for a fact from personal experience not included EM, that is simply untrue and feel quite confident we would have no need for ‘Living Wills’ if it were true.

    It was obvious from your comment to my video, you either didn’t bother to listen to it, or were still recovering from the numerous toddies.

  78. FWIW, I have personal experience with a terminal illness in the family (older brother). He was 19. I know my folks received conflicting advice from the doctors. They grew to resent the “let him go” advice from what they believed was a jaded, callous oncologist in particular. Although I was not part of the discussions, I know the doctors were not in agreement and the conflict tortured my folks. “Do everything” was their decision notwithstanding counseling to the contrary.

    R will remember the story about my father-in-law that choked on food at our home on a visit 2 years ago. The encouragement to disconnect life support was overwhelming. Heavy-handed is an understatement. It was not my call, but my sister-in-law with the durable POA asked for my input and help sorting it out without the pressure from doctors that to her and me seemed motivated by his advanced age rather than chance of recovery. I did not believe she was receiving objective advice. I called on a neurologist friend for help. She confirmed our doubts about the treating physicians’ prognosis. More tests were done although he did ultimately pass.

    After these experiences, I have greater doubts about the doctors’ decisions when it comes to ending life than I would have before they happened.

  79. News flash dickhead: you’re one of “those folks”.

    ————-

    😆 I made a comment of similar nature yesterday when Poolman tried to downplay his role in the Fat Grannies crowd attempting to ‘out me’, though it was Poolman who had announced to the entire room it was Tex Taylor playing Wayne Perram when they banned me for the third or fourth time.

    Footnote: I had to change my name to bypass their security after the second or third banning.

    After I had successfully lit their fat asses on fire for the umpteenth time at Shrew Central, several of these horse faced nags started actively searching the internet for any inkling of a Wayne Perram that lived in Tulsa, OK. 😆

    What Poolman undoubtedly didn’t think about was who but himself at Fat Grannies would have any idea how “old” Tex Taylor is but Poolman to confirm poor Wayne wasn’t me?

    Here this cretinous crowd attempting to call some poor woman going by the name of ‘MariPat Perram’, MariPat having no idea who the hell ‘Tex Taylor’ is. 😆 😆 😆 I guess I was more effective at burning their bubble gum asses then I had ever dreamed.

    I had just picked some name at random. For all they know, I’m an eight time divorcee and everything I’ve said there is a bald-faced lie. Hell, I might be a serial killer. 😈

    Poolman then incriminated himself in the denial. A lawyer’s wet dream in an interrogation.

  80. “Correct. The same husband who had fathered other children with another woman during the legal battle, and stood to collect the insurance premium upon Schiavo’s death.”

    Of course ANYBODY has entanglements that can be trucked out for examination, don’t they? Many, many people have insurance policies with their spouses as beneficiaries; that’s never a problem until something happens, and then all of a sudden it’s a heinous affair.

    “Any fair society would have allowed him to walk free of responsibility, but given the “EX” no say in the matter.”

    That’s not how the law works. It is generally assumed that a spouse has primary responsibility – not parents – and they are “next of kin.”

    “I would be curious as to why you as a physician are so dead set to deprive the patient of the most basic nutrient for life”

    I never said that or anything like that. Straw man again. I expressed no opinion as to the correct course of treatment, since I had no medical knowledge of the case. Once again, Tex, your worst flaw bites you in the ass – your tendency to ASS-U-ME, and to project your own prejudices on others.

    “a hideous and agonizing death, by the way.”

    Not if nobody’s home. At that point, death of the body is just a technicality, since the “person” has been gone a long time.

    My problem with the Schiavo case was not the treatment – it was with her doctors and Congress – one of which abandoned its responsibilities and the other of which assumed responsibilities that were not its to assume.

  81. “And you don’t need to capitalize “radiologist.” They’re not that important.”

    Ain’t that the truth!!!!!!

  82. el Tigre –

    re: your brother and father in-law. Firstly, condolences on both; I have lost both myself and it ain’t fun.

    In both cases, I blame the doctors. If they are in conflict with each other it is beyond reprehensible that they would ever reveal that to your family. They should consult in private and his primary physician should be the quarterback – always. The consultants can provide “cosultation” but their responsibility ends there and his primary doc should do all the communication with the family. HE has the rapport, not they. HE is their doctor, not the consultants.

    re: your father in-law. Again, his doctor should have picked up immediately that there was friction with the family and should have mended fences or offered to transfer his care to another physician.

    (Notice, Tex, that in both cases above I expressed no opinion as to what was the proper treatment – only the proper approach.)

    I had this same issue with my sister-in-law two years ago. She had been involved in a auto accident and became respirator-dependent. The family was in complete agony and couldn’t get anybody to talk with them and answer the ONE question: will Mom ever recover?

    I generally stay completely out of other doctors’ business, but after speaking with them I realized that there was NO quarterback, nobody willing to sit with the family. These docs were going around in circles, completely ineffective; nobody seemed to have the big picture or responsibility of communicating with the family.

    So I asked my family if they would like for me to help and they said, Yes PLEASE HELP. I reviewed her chart, spoke with her several physicians, and most importantly, looked at all her chest x-rays. Then we all sat down at a table and discussed her respiratory status, her likelihood of mental recovery and when it was over, although I never said it, they understood that they had to let her go. Her husband and I spoke with the attending physician and it was done. Everyone was very sad, but none harbors the kind of resentment or misgivings that you do. They are all well-satisfied with their decision.

    The doc seemed relieved that someone would take on the responsibility that she was afraid to do. That is a real flaw in modern medical training, IMHO. Although technically well-trained, most are completely unable to make a decision and communicate effectively with families – so afraid of being sued that they are paralyzed. Pitiful really…

  83. By the by Huck, when are you going to educate us mortals as to what the job of the State Dept is? I asked weeks ago but you never came back. Tell me, what are they their to do?

  84. http://www.translatingjihad.com/2011/12/muslim-brotherhood-leaders-quote.html

    Hmmmmm, who was it that said that the MB was going to recognize the current treaties of Egypt…

    (JPost) — Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood will not recognize Israel “under any circumstance,” the party’s deputy leader Dr Rashad Bayoumi told Arabic daily al-Hayat in an interview publish Sunday.

    In recent Egyptian elections the party list led by the Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party (FJP) won 36.3 percent of the list vote, while the ultra-conservative Salafi al-Nour Party took 28.8%.

    When asked whether it is a requirement for the government in Egypt to recognize Israel, Bayoumi responded by saying: “This is not an option, whatever the circumstances, we do not recognize Israel at all. Its [Israel] an occupying criminal enemy.”

    The deputy leader stressed during the interview that no Muslim Brotherhood members would ever meet with Israelis for negotiations. “I will not allow myself to sit down with criminals.”

    Bayoumi went on to say that The Muslim Brotherhood would take legal procedures towards cancelling the peace treaty between Egypt and Israel that was signed in 1979. “The Brotherhood respects international conventions, but we will take legal action against the peace treaty with the Zionist entity,” he told the paper.

    I believe the appropriate response would be: I told you so.

    As previously demonstrated, pretty much everything I said would happen, has. Of course, the inverse to that doesn’t work out so well for your predictive analysis skills.

    Also previously explained, I’m not an Islamophobe, but I recognize the threat and danger of an Islamist movement. Obviously, you’re either too dense or too ignorant to recognize the difference between the two.

    Gee, with “diplomats” like you, I can’t imagine why our foreign policy isn’t reaping huge rewards…

  85. PF, what you’ve said makes sense. It was not handled the way you have described it should have.

    With my father-in-law though, it was a real push to disconnect life support even before the eldest (sister-in-law) was the one that was responsible for the decision. When I told them that she was flying in and the decision needed to wait until she was brought up to speed, I was horrified that they began working on my mother-in-law to make the decision to avoid what they anticipated would be disagreement with their recommendation.

    That’s when I intervened and (strongly). The family expressed gratitude that I spoke up for them and corrected completely erroneous legal statements made by doctors. They had to have known better and prior to then, I had not made it known that I was a lawyer. My in-laws told me they were confused, stressed, pressured and didn’t feel empowered enough to tell them to back off. It was surreal.

    I guess what bothered me was the urging to make a decision without concern for the family’s need to reflect. I would’ve expected it to go differently had I know it was coming. I would’ve thought that more room for the family to make peace with the decision would’ve been afforded. It all went down differently than how I thought these things go.

    I firmly believe that had my father-in-law been in his 20s it would’ve played entirely differently with exact same staff. In other words, they subjectively placed a value on the life in rendering their opinion rather than confining it to the prognosis .

    Suffice it to say, my point is not so much about incompetence or malfeasance. It is about my skepticism of the motives AND methods in these situations (i.e. the realm of patients or family judgment being deliberately substituted for the doctor’s out of expediency or arrogance). Human nature is what it is regardless of experience or credential.

  86. Hey Huck. Dummy….appeaser of evil, Pali’s most useful idiot, and national American Dhimmi.

    Jewish laws of antiquity would have made Mary’s vow of marriage somewhere between 13-14. Therefore, she would likely had have Jesus around the age of 14-16. Since scripture says nothing, it is pure speculation as to how old Mary was. Nothing unusual about 14-16 year olds have children that throughout history, and American history for that matter.

    Longevity was less than 50 years as recently as 150 years ago. The estimation for the average life span of the Roman Empire around the time of Christ’s birth was 35-40.

    What do you expect? Mary to be a 30 something working feminist with a career? That’s just about the amount of working knowledge I believe you have of scripture, if past comments are any predictive indicator.

    Good thing you chose comparative religion and not mathematics.

    Aisha was nine. Do yourself a favor and take a good look next time at the school while you’re ogling the little girls. You might note a difference between 9 and 14.

    Happy New Year.

  87. You really don’t have a lot of knowledge about what is in the Bible, do you?

    Nope Poolman, my Biblical knowledge is at a bare minimum which is why I asked the question. Thank you for your answer.

    Next question regarding Islam vs Christianity. Tex and others have gone to great lengths to call Mohammed a pedophile but if I read you correctly Poolman, Mary was pregnant with Christ at the age of 12 or 13. Does that not make the Christian God himself a pedophile?

    I think sometime in 2012, the whole bunch of us ought to sign up for an online comparative religion course. 😉

  88. el Tigre –

    I don’t want to beat a dead horse, but re: your father-in-law, my best estimate is that the appearance that decisions were age-related is yet another example of their “failure to communicate.” I see these decisions being made every day and age rarely enters into the equation unless it is, for example, a decision upon whether to operate on someone and the evaluation is that “someone of his age cannot survive major surgery” – that kind of thing. It’s not ever the idea that old people aren’t worth the effort. I never see that.

    I am assuming your father-in-law had a “cafe coronary” – choked on food – (usually happens while laughing) – at the dinner table. My best guess – and it is a guess – is that he was basically brain dead or had suffered severe irreversible brain hypoxia such that any kind of real recovery was impossible. But having said that, the doctor should have taken the time to have his CT scan printed out, or showed it to the family on a laptop and said, “Here is what a normal brain looks like and here is your husband’s. These large dark areas are dead brain tissue – a massive stroke – and the combination of this CT scan and what we see by examining him tell us that there is no chance of recovery. I’m sorry.”

    That’s how it should have gone down. You then give the family a couple or three days to consider things, consult with each other, and you make yourself available any time day or night to speak with them. Give them your home number or cell number. I have never ever had an unlisted number – and won’t.

    That’s how you do it. And it it the Failure to do these things that constitute the reason we are getting our asses sued off and so many people hate us. And a large part of the reason doctors don’t know how to deal with families IMHO stems from their being trained by pointy-headed academics with no private-practice experience. Of course I could be wrong.

    Just my .05.

  89. Regarding 96, sorry Tex but the question was completely legit. You might not have liked the way I phrased it but tough … it was a legit question.

    So is my follow up to Poolman … you won’t take that one on either.

    Earlier in the thread I mentioned a sitcom called “The Middle”. Later when I have more time, I’ll describe another episode that dealt with faith. I enjoyed it immensely. 😉

  90. There’s no assumption needed about you Pfesser. You’re clearly a depraved and reprehensible excuse for a doctor and person. It’s actually frightening that somebody of your amoral standard is providing prognosis for people you clearly don’t give a hoot in hell about. In fact, I could venture a very good guess the only person you are clearly in love with is you. 😉

    To me, you represent exactly why the opinion of the medical community is quickly losing its once sterling reputation. Just a summarily read of your comments distinguishes you’re an egotistical megalomaniac, squatting over the mirror to daily view his own rectum.

    But then it doesn’t surprise me in the least you would sympathize with the Ex of Terri Schiavo. His behavior is exactly what I would forecast would be your actions in the same set of circumstances. After all, the Cessna needs a new paint job.

    But since you seemed to have a huge problem with ASS-umed positions, I would like to know exactly how you determined what Terri Schiavo’s cognitive abilities were? There are thousands of recorded cases of patients being wide awake under anesthesia unable to respond, but feeling the full effect of the pain administered. There are thousands more of people revived from coma, even recalling conversations without the ability to respond. But like abortion, you’re willing to put the practical and prudent approach aside for a matter of convenience.

    So the fact is, contrary to your typical but stupid assertions of “straw man”, you have fully divulged exactly what your position was working under “your ASSumption” without a shred of proof that Terri Schiavo was not aware of her environment. The fact is, you have no idea and it is you trying to administer the logical fallacy, which is a typical ploy of yours.

  91. PF, I hear you. What you described as what should’ve happened wasn’t even close to what actually happened. And the age factor was mentioned, not merely alluded to or inferred.

    I don’t hate all doctors, just hell of a lot of them.

  92. Rutherford, it wasn’t until recently I finally determined just how morally empty you are. You are clearly a hater of organized religion, more specifically the Judeo-Christian religion.

    This blog is replete with the abject stupidity of “threats” of theocracy, though the very Constitution forbidding a theocracy were penned by mostly Protestant Christians. Your conclusions are not only not based on logic or reason, but so misguided they could be used as punchlines in cheap night club acts.

    But then that shouldn’t surprise anyone being anybody that would now vote for Obama after a record of dangerously consistent failure is surely not a judgment considered valid or worthy.

    Why don’t you just admit your liberal little god Obama would be IYO far more effective as President if removed from wearing the yoke of law and having to kowtow to some faith? Obama is clearly a phony when it comes to the practice of worship.

  93. “So the fact is, contrary to your typical but stupid assertions of “straw man”, you have fully divulged exactly what your position was working under “your ASSumption” without a shred of proof that Terri Schiavo was not aware of her environment. The fact is, you have no idea and it is you trying to administer the logical fallacy, which is a typical ploy of yours.”

    Can you say that in English?

    Tex, what’s happened to you? You’re back to your old self again!

    … and you were doing so good, too… I was actually starting to enjoy our conversations again.

  94. Here’s a question for your Rutherford. Legit, of course. Always legit.

    Do you see any difference between copulating with a girl of nine not even in puberty, and a young woman age 14 clearly capable of having child, trying to remember for one moment the average life span about 35?

  95. Tex –

    “But then it doesn’t surprise me in the least you would sympathize with the Ex of Terri Schiavo. ”

    You’re ASS-U-ME ing again…I have no opinion of Terry Schiavo’s husband, just to set you straight. Again. The Law decides who has jurisdiction over her in the case of coma, and they said it was he, as I understand it. Some of you lawyers jump in here and set us straight on that point.

    “I would like to know exactly how you determined what Terri Schiavo’s cognitive abilities were? ”

    I didn’t. And I said so. As in my last post, I said I had no opinion as to what proper treatment was, since I never saw her or examined her chart.

    ASS-U-ME ing again? Straw man-ing again? When you can’t get any traction, you just make stuff up and then say it is wrong. Well, if it’s wrong, YOU are wrong, since YOU made it up.

    What’s up with you today?

  96. Some days it’s like being back in high school with some of you guys. 😆

    I’m glad to help contribute to your wintertime fantasies. 😉

    Often these things extremist positions have a way of working themselves out generation-wise, where the irony upstages all spoken word. Like a Mary Cheney moment. Just sayin…

  97. Doc,

    So why don’t you use that uber keen mind of yours and decipher what I said by attempting to answer truthfully without projection, deflection, or tap dancing:

    How you are able to determine without doubt: (1) What Terri Schiavo physiologically felt; and (2) how are you sure T. Schiavo was completely unaware of her surroundings, brain dead by another name, thereby feeling no pain of nutrient and water withdrawal?

    Otherwise, it would appear to me that you lend your support to condemning Terri Schiavo to a gruesome death without consent and without full knowledge, against the wishes of her own biological parents.

    Of course, there is a personal precedent there.

  98. Mary was pregnant with Christ at the age of 12 or 13. Does that not make the Christian God himself a pedophile?

    Since no sex took place, I don’t know how you can come to that conclusion. I think the pedophile is strictly related to sexual perversion.

    I think pedophilia(?) is a more modern definition of a particular sexual deviancy. I could be wrong. But these sins were not something that was talked about or exposed until children were treated with some dignity and rights in the recent age. Sexual immorality was not as succinctly categorized in the past as it is today.

  99. See Pfesser, I have a vastly more important philosophical question. Disparate from the simple rule of law, when certainly not perfect as history would attest time and again.

    Why would you, a man of professed clear conscience as the practice of medicine demands, believe an ex-husband, one who would receive some monetary benefit upon the death of patient, and had shown no interest in Terri Schiavo for years even fathering children with other women, believe the ex-husband might have the patient’s better interests at heart than the biological parent? Both parents had volunteered to pay and care for Schiavo.

    This isn’t a question now of finance, but of morality. Not one of law, but of conscience.

    Why do you read a proponent of Schiavo’s supposed euthanasia?

  100. “How you are able to determine without doubt: (1) What Terri Schiavo physiologically felt;”

    I wasn’t, didn’t try, and said so – I think three times now.

    “how are you sure T. Schiavo was completely unaware of her surroundings, brain dead by another name, thereby feeling no pain of nutrient and water withdrawal?”

    I have no opinion on the matter, and said so. I think three times now.

    Is that OK, or do you want to ask exactly the same questions one more time and get exactly the same answers yet again?

    Are you OK?

  101. Wasn’t Aisha 9 years old?

    Or ten when the marriage was consummated. They were married – or she was betrothed to him – around age 6.

    It was definitely different times. That was a common practice back then, assuring one’s virginity, being the greatest and only possession a woman could hold.

    It certainly doesn’t fly morally with us in America today. But then a lot of other practices by older civilizations no longer seem quite right today.

  102. Poolman –

    When the average lifespan is forty, and a horrific number of deaths in infancy and childhood, you damned well better be breeding at age twelve if you want to raise enough kids to keep the civilization going.

    And you are absolutely right about “different times.” The first rule of the historian is that you do not judge historical figures by modern mores.

    (But of course, since God is timeless, I guess he “could” be a pedophile…)

    sorry – had to get that in…I’m on a roll today. AAPL is at $411/share. You know how it is. LOL

  103. I guess Huck had to go grade some papers. Still looking forward to that explanation on what diplomacy is…

  104. sorry – had to get that in…I’m on a roll today. AAPL is at $411/share. You know how it is. LOL

    What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his own soul? That was said by somebody wonderfully wise that would be more in the know that the rest of us.

    Though not divine by any stretch, I think you should cash in play with your money while you still got the chance, Doc.

    You’re long past losing your own soul, and if you’re really headed toward nothingness for all of eternity, my recommendation would be “best get to living large because you’re not around much longer to enjoy it.”

    And there ain’t no denying that…. 😉

  105. “Poolman, wasn’t she prepubescent? If so, there’s no contextualizing required.”

    That’s actually not a trivial question. Not only is sexual desire less (not absent, but less) before puberty, but the girl’s genitals grow under the influence of hormones, so rape of a prepubescent girl is REALLY rape, since they aren’t “big” enough to accommodate any but the smallest guys.

    …Say Japanese men …… or Okies…

    *********

    Actually we were told a little story in med school about that…One of our profs was a medical officer during the Occupation. After WWII, one of the supplies we sent to Japan during the reconstruction was condoms.

    It turns out that the Japanese are “proportionately” smaller than Westerners, not just in stature.

    Had to send the whole load back and manufacture smaller ones. Talk about wounding your national pride…

    ah, fuck ’em. After Nanking, Bataan, etc, who cares about their pride – certainly not me. I think we should have sent them a shipload of mushroom soup…

  106. I guess Huck had to go grade some papers. Still looking forward to that explanation on what diplomacy is…

    Oh, well Huck will drop in at three in the morning or so to leave some turd that won’t answer your question, but will provide some nebulous shot of which we will ponder the insult.

    I’ll beat him to the explanation, Gorilla.

    Huck ain’t going to stick around real time, under the auspices of “terribly busy and terribly important, him not living “to serve Rutherford’s blog.” This is mere child’s play. 😀

  107. There are all sorts of stupid places to go with the God-as-pedo thread. Since God has his pick of anyone He wants, why didn’t he impregnate a 17 year old?

    I also love how Tex inched Mary’s age up from 12 to 14 in the space of a few comments.

    Who says Mo married Aisha out of pure sexual interest? Maybe there was politics afoot? And as Poolman so accurately pointed out, age of consent was not then the concept that it is now.

    Finally Tex, we are talking about documents thousands of years old written as third hand accounts by third parties. Mary might have been 8. Aisha might have been 13. Who really knows?

    As usual you miss the point. Religious bigotry is wrong no matter who engages in it. Your claims against the basic religion of Islam (minus the radical twists and turns it has taken) is pure bigotry. And the reason I hammer you on it is that so-called Christians are supposed to be tolerant. So your total dismissal of Islam as some sort of sham is the height of hypocrisy.

  108. or Okies… 😈

    Well, if there’s anybody that would be in the know about respective penis size, it would be a hillbilly from West Virginny. 😉

    I will admit my “Okie” apparently ain’t what he used to be after pumping me up with some of this medication, which has been a bitch I have made to my own doc, met with a nervous giggle. “Hey Doc, I was serious!”

    The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.

  109. Not to beat a dead horse but isn’t 11 a non-unusual onset for puberty in a girl? Hence, couldn’t some girls at the far left of the bell curve start puberty by 9? Maybe Aisha was physically advanced for her age?

  110. Gawd Rutherford, for some professed student of history, you are a profoundly stupid man when it comes to history of antiquity, custom and Jewish Law.

    Finally Tex, we are talking about documents thousands of years old written as third hand accounts by third parties.

    Written by men who walked with the man for 3 1/2 years – eye witness accounts. If we are to use your guidelines, all of history should be considered null invalid. 🙄 If it were only so easy to discount Obama’s history.

    You ever hear of a Bat Mitzvah, dummy? Probably not. The legal age would be 12, with a one year anniversary of obligation until consummating the marriage. By that age, a bare minimum, Mary would have been approach 14, even if she were impregnated as you always suggest.

    Wise up…and ABO.

  111. “And as Poolman so accurately pointed out, age of consent was not then the concept that it is now.”

    Not when it comes to prepubescence.

    “Who says Mo married Aisha out of pure sexual interest? Maybe there was politics afoot?”

    He got a chubby and consummated the “marriage”out of sexual interest. In fact, they were married years earlier when she was 6. To my knowledge, God do not have sex with Mary.

    So, what’s your point? You thought it was clever that Huck tried to draw a parallel.

  112. As usual you miss the point. Religious bigotry is wrong no matter who engages in it. Your claims against the basic religion of Islam (minus the radical twists and turns it has taken) is pure bigotry.

    Super. I am a bigot toward paganism coupled with totalitarianism. Damn straight. I willingly and happily admit. I oppose it with all my being. Now why don’t you admit your animosity towards Christians for reasons no one abundantly clear, chump? The devil make you do it, or something?

    And the reason I hammer you on it is that so-called Christians are supposed to be tolerant. So your total dismissal of Islam as some sort of sham is the height of hypocrisy.

    Unbelievable a man of 50 could be this ignorant of the world’s predominant religions. What makes you think I don’t tolerate Islam? If I didn’t tolerate Islam, I would have burned the mosque here in town to the ground. They’re all around me to some degree. You’re not asking me to tolerate it. You’re asking me to accept it as fact and equivalent. Screw you. I’ll do know such thing. And if the role reversed, you can guarantee your religion of peace that you continually defend, though they declared war on you, would not be the least tolerant. How many Jews are there in Saudi Arabia, Brotha Rutherford?

    You want to know how many verses in the Bible tell me to defend the faith, never worshiping some false idol like Mohammad, Rutherford? I am to summarily reject that, just as I am to summarily reject your neopaganism.

    Surely, even a man of your limited capability must understand that?

  113. And now that “Middle” story I promised.

    “The Middle” is set in Indiana and is about a family of five, two parents and three kids. I’ve mentioned the girl already — Sue, the one with the effeminate boyfriend.

    Last week we watched the Xmas episode that centered around the youngest kid, Brick. Brick is “odd”. He’s grammar school age, reads voraciously and lacks social skills. In this episode, Brick starts reading the Bible and starts asking a sh*tload of questions. “I don’t get the Ark. How could two of every animal be on it when some animals would eat the other animals?”

    What I loved about the episode was how it showed that a smart child cut off from indoctrination, would have a LOT of problems with Biblical stories. Kids know BS when they see it because they don’t have the filter that develops with age.

    Brick’s sister, Sue is VERY distressed that Brick is lacking faith. She enlists a local pastor to straighten Brick out but it doesn’t work and the pastor finally tells Sue that Jesus isn’t for everyone. If Brick comes to it, he comes to it. It can’t be forced.

    The episode ends with Brick basically saying that while the Bible is full of some really unbelievable stuff, it is a very nice and fun book of stories. Brick is at peace with his level of understanding. And Sue is content to let him accept it at that level.

    Damn good episode!!! One that probably would have had Tex crapping in his pants.

    For anyone interested, it’s Season 3 (this season) and it’s called “A Christmas Gift” available for free on Hulu or ABC.com

  114. You ever hear of a Bat Mitzvah, dummy?

    Yes and I’ve also heard of a Bar Mitzvah. The Jewish boy becomes a man at 13. So are you saying the girl becomes “a woman” at 12 or at 13 after the one-year waiting period?

    As for your comment about history, hate to disappoint you but I DO have a lack of “faith” in much history, religious and otherwise. I have a saying: history is his-story. It’s akin to history is written by the victors. It’s probably why history has always been one of my least favorite subjects. It is inseparable from bias.

  115. Tex, Muslims think they have “the answer” just the same as you think you do.

    Why do you think organized religion gets my goat? It’s a set of competing fantastical stories all based to prop up a supposed moral code that ultimately fails when the followers war against each other or against other non-believers. It’s a very hard pill to swallow.

    Tigre I don’t prop up Islam and discredit Christianity. I view all organized religion as highly suspect. One thing you and others repeatedly fail to understand is I REACT to what I see written here. If we had a Muslim on the board talking about how nasty Christians are, I’d read him the riot act also.

    I’d be very interested to see the mood on this board pre-9/11. Sadly that can’t happen but I wonder to what degree 9/11 has really shaken the core of folks like Tex (and Dick Cheney). Actually I don’t wonder about Dick Cheney. There are folks who have said 9/11 changed him dramatically.

    P.S. There are those here who have accused me of being a multi-national apologist. When an Indian in my employ started lecturing me about American injustice a few years ago, I threw the caste system back in his face. I’m not a fan of hypocrites no matter what stripe they come in.

  116. Rutherford, the Bible has been more verified than many other historical accounts half its age, both by archeology, and by various texts isolated from each other by geography and language.

    For a quick primer on the subject, you might start with “Evidence That Demands A Verdict.”

  117. R, I really think hat your tone with an Islamic poster would not be even-handed. You would continue to view the member (one of billions) as an “underdog.” Frankly, I think Christianity is so entwined with American history, guys like you on the left confuse an attack on Christianity as enlightened — the same as the self-loathing American.

    There was an obvious distinction between Mohammed’s Aisha and Mary that you studiously avoided. Instead, your REACTION was to question whether sex with a prepubescent girl was inappropriate while simultaneously mocking the concept of immaculate conception.

    You’re not really calling ’em likes you sees ’em. Huck’s comment was provocative, but not insightful or even clever.

  118. Rutherford,

    I’m not really trying to be hateful now, but unlike BIC, and I think he’ll get to this point as I did at least a year back because you’re so grotesque in your mockery of what I believe life’s more important aspects, I figuratively dusted off the sandals long ago. How you choose to believe, as long as it doesn’t negatively affect me, is not my concern.

    Voting for Obama is a concern. Appeasing evil is a concern. Your belief in nothingness when you die, while the finality of any associate troubling, is solely a personal decision on your behalf.

  119. I also have this bad habit of siding with the underdog. I don’t like seeing people ganged up on.

    Yeah, that’s why you sympathize with Israeli Jews so much.

    ** PUTRID **

  120. Rutherford opined:
    “Why do you think organized religion gets my goat? It’s a set of competing fantastical stories all based to prop up a supposed moral code that ultimately fails when the followers war against each other or against other non-believers. It’s a very hard pill to swallow.”

    I saved this for the past twenty years; I was a diehard fan of Mike Royko in his day and saved many of his columns. Your comment immediately brought it to mind. I apologise for the length:

    Dear God
    Author:
    Mike Royko

    From the Saturday Evening Mercury 1981.

    Dear God,

    I know how busy you must be with a whole universe to worry about. That’s why it occurred to me that you probably don’t have time to read our papers and your TV reception might not be good. So I thought I’d drop you a note about how things are going here.

    Well, things couldn’t be going any better, at least as far as your image is concerned. You wouldn’t believe how well loved you are on this planet today and how much is being done in your name. There’s so much going on that I hardly know where to start. So I might as well begin in Northern Ireland where you’ve always been very big. Ah, what religious fervour can be found there!

    The Irish Protestants are so devoted to you that they do everything possible to make life miserable for the Irish Catholics because they don’t think the Irish Catholics have the right approach towards worshiping you. And, for essentially the same reasons, the Irish Catholics do what they can to make life miserable for the Irish Protestants. In their great love for you they shoot at one another, bomb one another, set one another afire, kill little children bystanders, cops, soldiers, old ladies and some are now committing suicide by starvation.

    Then each side buries its dead, goes to Church and gives fervent thanks to you for being on its side. It is very touching. And one thing about these people: their devotion to you is unshakeable. They’ve been doing this for about 400 years. So it’s a good thing that you have an entire universe at your disposal because I don’t know where else you could find room to accommodate the souls of all the people who have died there in your name.

    You’re also highly regarded in a country called Lebanon where just about everyone believes in you, although they don’t agree on what you should be called. In that country there are Moslems and Christians and they’ve created different sets of rules for worshiping. Naturally, they both say you have sent the rules down to them. I don’t know if that’s true or not but if I may make a suggestion: If it is true that you gave them the word, it would really simplify things if there was only one set of rules. It would cause less hard feelings.

    However, such details aside, they are expressing their devotion to you by killing each other by the hundreds. I guess they figure that if one side can wipe out the other side it will prove that their way of worshiping you is correct and you’ll be pleased with them. So every day they lob shells at one another and blow up the usual men, women, children, bystanders, old ladies and stray dogs. And every day they take a few moments out to thank you for your support and to promise that they’ll continue their efforts on your behalf.

    Now, not far from Lebanon, are countries called Iraq and Iran. The Moslems in these countries basically agree on what to call you but they disagree on some details concerning how best to worship you. So they’re also killing one another. It’s more than a little confusing, though, because in Iran there are people who call themselves Baha’i and they too have their own way of showing respect for you. Unfortunately for the Baha’i their way doesn’t include killing others who don’t share their point of view. So that makes them patsies and the Moslems in Iran, in their love for you, have been kicking the Baha’i around pretty good.

    Just a short missile ride away there’s much religious action going on between a country called Israel and almost everyone else in that neighbourhood. For worshiping you the people in Israel also have their own set of rules which they say you passed on to them. They claim that you look more favourably upon them than on anyone else. This has always caused hard feelings because many other groups figure that THEY’RE your favourites. (I can see it must be difficult being a father figure.) The claim of the Israelis that they are No 1 has also caused some people to wonder this – If the Jews, after all they’ve been through over the centuries are really your chosen people, what do you do to somebody you DON’T like?

    Anyway, the Jews and their Moslem neighbours – both of whom claim your complete support – have been going at each other for about 30 years. But I don’t think they’ll ever equal Ireland’s record because they’ll all eventually have nuclear bombs. Boy, when they start throwing those around, will you have a crowd showing up!

    Oh, and I can’t forget to mention this final item. Somebody shot the Pope. As you know, he’s the leader of one of your largest group of followers here. A very peaceful, non-violent man, by the way, although his followers have been known to shed a few million gallons of blood when their tempers were up. Anyway, the man who shot him apparently did it because of HIS devotion to you. It’s not completely clear but this fellow seems to think that the Pope was in some way responsible for somebody invading the sacred mosque of his religion in a place called Mecca. That, of course, was an insult to you, so on your behalf he got even by shooting the Pope.

    Well, I know you’re busy so that’s all for now.

    Yours sincerely,
    MIKE ROYKO

    PS – I never believed any of those stories going around a few years ago that GOD IS DEAD. How could you be? We don’t have any weapon which can shoot that far….

    Mike

  121. Who says Mo married Aisha out of pure sexual interest?

    It was political, like most marriages of the day.

    Uniting tribes and peoples through marriage was common. She apparently took the bull by the horns (or whatever part needed tending) and proudly accepted the role.

  122. Is Tex saying Israeli Jews are the underdog in 167? Priceless.

    🙄 Planet pajama! Oh calling planet pajama! One of your fuzzy-footed friends has escaped and is making a mockery of your matzo.

    Show him your big guns and where they’re pointed. Show him your tentacles encircling the globe.

  123. Hey Himmler, illiterate tax cheat, and math flunky…

    6,500,000 Jews < 1,200,000,000 Muslims Get it?

    No, the Tool ™ still won't get it. Too much inbred Chatty Kitchen and troofer to be of any use.

    You been over with the girls tonight at Chatty Kitchen, P-Whip? Exchanging recipes and dress sizes?

  124. Nah, just got in from a walk with the wife. She decided to lay down and take and read, I decided to correct your happy ass. 😀

  125. Christianity is still the major religion of the world, followed by Islam. Judaism is 9th in terms of followers. But as far as political sway…

  126. I’ll bet you two need more than a “walk.” Around the block and tuckered out. 😆

    So Tool ™, you’re a real honest to goodness “walk those nasty Joos in the chamber”, aren’t you?

    I’m not sure until your ugly, pink ass ungraciously appeared here, I had ever met a real skinhead. Of course, a skinhead usually has a little manly prowess to go with the bad attitude.

    You must be their bitch. 😈

  127. Listen, with the Stormfront Wizard stamped on his forehead, I don’t blame the “Jewry” to trying to put a stop to the nomination of Dr. Zachary Paul.

    No argument there.

  128. I think you come more near a skinhead, Tex.

    But you sure bend over for anything Jewish. That’s the odd part. Of course as long as they aren’t liberal. Or is it rich? Or Iranian? I can’t keep track. Karl Marx was Jewish, but he’s a bad Jew.

  129. Karl Marx was Jewish, but he’s a bad Jew.

    Damn, you can’t even keep your accusations straight. In one paragraph, I’m a Stormfront junkie and Jew ass kisser. Aren’t you a little confused, Troofer?

    Actually, Marx was an atheist, or JINO as I like to call them.

    March them Jooos in the gas chamber, Tool ™! Heil Hitler!

  130. Stormfront Tool ™, let’s review your history. You voted for Obama – I did not.

    Obama’s Wall Street connections:

    Despite frosty relations with the titans of Wall Street, President Obama has still managed to raise far more money this year from the financial and banking sector than Mitt Romney or any other Republican presidential candidate, according to new fundraising data.

    Obama’s key advantage over the GOP field is the ability to collect bigger checks because he raises money for both his own campaign committee and for the Democratic National Committee, which will aid in his reelection effort.

    As a result, Obama has brought in more money from employees of banks, hedge funds and other financial service companies than all of the GOP candidates combined, according to a Washington Post analysis of contribution data. The numbers show that Obama retains a persistent reservoir of support among Democratic financiers who have backed him since he was an underdog presidential candidate four years ago.

    Virtually every one of those hedge fund managers you OWS loons disdain are Dimocrats, Tool ™. Even as Pet Rock dumb as you are, I would have thought you might have understood that by now.

  131. You voted for McCain, I did not. Neither one of us can go back and change any vote. Can we agree? So yeah, Obama or Romney, you get the same old same old.

  132. Well I think Rabbit’s choice is now clear. Romneycare financed abortions. Santorum is against all forms of birth control.

    There you have it DR. Your choice is now an easy one. Of course if Romney is nominated you’ll stay home right? Or are you not THAT pro-life?

  133. I believe it’s a sad truth, but nonetheless the truth: Only Romney can beat Bo. Pat Robertson’s Boy Santorum will be ripped to shreds by the left. Paul can’t win. Perry’s a dead issue; Bachmann-Turner Overdrive is too, Who the Hell is Huntsman is not even in the game. Mr. Pizza’s dick took him out of the game long ago.

    So if you wanna beat Bo, it’s Reagan time: speak no ill of a fellow Republican and support Magic Underwear Romney to the hilt.

    I feel ill…

  134. And if the Democrats do what I think they are likely to do, which is to say run Bo and Bill’s Co-President, we’re done, done, done.

  135. Romney vs. Bongo and Koko? Seems like an easy pick to me.

    ABO. Try and keep us much of your money as you can, Pfesser. At least Romney has some business experience. He’s our only hope now.

    Debt is now more than 100% of GDP. Obama and his minions have taken us down faster than I dreamed he ever could.

    ——–

    More of your tax dollars at work. We only got to pay for 329K abortions last year. NPR and PP are two that should immediately be put on the chopping block. There’s a billion saved.

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/planned-parenthood-s-annual-report-got-4874m-tax-money-did-329445-abortions

  136. I probably shouldn’t say this, but from a practical standpoint, those who NEED the govt to pay for their abortions are often precisely the people you want to abort – which is to say those who cannot financially take care of the kids they produce and whose multitude of kids statistically will very likely be the same.

    Best money you ever spent, IMHO. Think of it as investing in infrastructure and it won’t seem so bad…

  137. Best money you ever spent, IMHO. Think of it as investing in infrastructure and it won’t seem so bad…

    From a practical standpoint, I’m sure you’re right. I still have a problem scalding, burning, ripping, scissoring, and scrapping a child from a mother’s womb – even an idiot mother’s womb.

    Let’s say we’ll pay for a tubal ligation or hysterectomy, which ever is cheaper, on the condition the breeder informs us of the sperm donor. Then they can walk around in heat without remorse, point their toes to the ceiling and cast their Obama vote for a generation.

    For the sperm donors, I got a quicker, cheaper fix which I volunteer to help administer. A pair of channel locks and some tin snips will fix that problem in a jiffy. 😉 If that seems too inhumane for the bleeding hearts, I just had my dog neutered last year for $149.00 Seems we can drag their worthless asses down to the Vets and take care of this problem on a table. He’ll, I’ll even volunteer to swab the dog table with alcohol before administering the knockout shot as long as they let me do the cuttin’.

  138. Well, if it is Romney v Obama, I’ll vote Obama. Unless Paul runs as a third party candidate, then I’ll vote for him and likely Obama will still win.

    I’m certain all the skinheads will be voting for Obama, right Tex? 🙄

    The banksters are running the show. All their money is behind Obama AND Romney. Either way they win and we lose. Win/win for the banks, lose/lose for the citizens.

    Man, we are going to go down hard! Must be that pride warning.

  139. Tex –

    No, no, no. You’re putting yourself out too much.

    200 Rads to the gonads will make 50% of women sterile within 30 days. At 100R/min, that’s 2 mins in front of the camera.

    Leave it to an engineer to do things efficiently.

    ******

    When we were studying rad physics as residents, the physicist told us a story about a radiologist who was banging one of his techs, which would have been fine, but her husband, who was a nuclear med tech in the same department, took umbrage.

    The department did a lot of therapy and had cobalt and other “afterload” sources. The aggrieved husband proceeded to do a morning count of the sources about 6 a.m. and then loaded the radiologist’s seat, right under his testicles, with Co-60 seeds. At the end of the day he retrieved the seeds and checked them back in and nobody was the wiser.

    Unfortunately, he kept doing it and the radiologist not only lost his libido and his balls, he received horrendous skin burns. A bit of forensics – and the knowledge of his dalliance – led the investigators to bring in a Geiger counter during the day and the jig was up.

  140. No, no, no. You’re putting yourself out too much.

    200 Rads to the gonads will make 50% of women sterile within 30 days. At 100R/min, that’s 2 mins in front of the camera.

    Leave it to an engineer to do things efficiently.

    Clean, neat and modern. I like Pfesser. 🙂 I humbly step aside and let the high techs have a stab at it. Sounds reasonably cheap too.

    Alright, you take care of the breeders, but leave their donors to me.

    I’m telling you, these dog tables are incredibly efficient in making a lot of our boy problems go away. $149.00 seems to me to be a damn good investment, a couple of cotton balls and some rubbing alcohol.

  141. The banksters are running the show. All their money is behind Obama AND Romney. Either way they win and we lose. Win/win for the banks, lose/lose for the citizens.

    You already lost long ago.

    Ron Paul is a circus freak sideshow. A waste of time and energy.

    I do hope he stays in the race, however. It makes the anti-military, hate the Jews crowd of the left stick out like sore thumbs.

  142. Tex,

    Your clueless retort (I’ve come to expect them) is why I think we are going down.

    The military’s support IS behind Ron Paul. He is leaps and bounds ahead of the rest of the pack in their campaign contributions, followed next by Obama.

    The other GOP candidates’ contributions are minuscule in comparison. That is from the military voting with their money. Ignore that at your own peril. Ignoring the facts and full steam ahead has put us here.

  143. Ron Paul Tex Taylor is a circus freak sideshow. A waste of time and energy. 😀

    There that’s better and waaay more accurate.

  144. Your clueless retort (I’ve come to expect them) is why I think we are going down.

    Ironic response coming from an Obama lackey and poseur, one day ahead of having the electricity turned off, the phone bill due and payable but delinquent, walked on his mortgage contributing the financial collapse, and has the IRS a knocking. Your record Tool ™ doesn’t even rise to the standard of useful idiot.

    Who is again that is feeding at the pig trough, Tool ™ and living off the gubmint dole?

    Obama is tied at the hip with Wall Street – far more so than any other candidate – including the majority of his cabinet who directly contributed to the mess we find ourselves. Several of us have provided clear proof of this time and again.

    You and your fraternity of OWS degenerates, when you’re not raping and pillaging each other and stealing each others stuff, can’t grasp this simple, numerical fact. Unfortunately, you didn’t have the trust fund.

    I look at you and see a freak show. For that reason, I want Paul to stay in the race as long as possible.

  145. “#189 is so disturbing that it may actually cross over into the macabre.”

    Why is that? (Not trying to pick a fight here, just wonder what the “disturbance” is.)

  146. Bachmann is out. Frankly, never really thought he ready. Of course, relative to the current pResident, she’s infinently more qualified…

  147. I’d say Bachmann, Perry and Huntsman are all out.

    And I’m glad because we need to whittle the field to make room for real debate against the odious Obama regime. Once Paul’s out, the infighting needs to stop.

    Paul has some entertaining monetary ideas, but is a sick joke in every other capacity. And a great majority of his supporters are Obama OWS lackeys in freak costumes, angry with Obama for not killing the military. So ignore them and let them cast their vote for Ringmaster of the circus if they are that stupid. Don’t need them to win.

    And if we do win, we need to turn our attention not only to the out of control deficit by cutting government dramatically, but squeezing the blood out of Poolman’s turnip head and turning off the freebie spigot.

    Asshole mooches like that play no small part in killing the country.

  148. I think Huck has spent a little too much time in the Sun. The Mossad? Really? Who knew Israel was patched into the satellite downlink of CNN, just itching to scramble the feed at a moments notice.

    “What is the significance of the term existential threat?” the ambassadors quoted Pardo as asking. “Does Iran pose a threat to Israel? Absolutely. But if one said a nuclear bomb in Iranian hands was an existential threat, that would mean that we would have to close up shop and go home. That’s not the situation. The term existential threat is used too freely.

    I think the operative word in the sentence was a nuclear bomb. Obviously, multiple weapons would change the scenario, and threat considerably.

    How about that explanation of what diplomacy is?

  149. “Why is that?” -PF

    It’s troubling to think that abortion should be used to control the natural course of life based on some value judgment about who [we] want to abort, or what the lives of their offspring would have been like. And that the determination should be made that no life at all for the offspring is better for all of us. Your post reads to me as an extreme objectification of women and children. I assumed it was meant at least partially in jest, or to shock, so the word macabre came to mind.

    One minor point – no one NEEDS the govt to pay for their abortions.

  150. Yeah Huck,

    Great find. 😈 In fact, it’s perfect example of the typical Ron Paul fiend like I’ve been describing. They all have the same basic traits. I couple of tats on the soldier’s neck of the twin towers. Woo hoo! And a good penchant of tacit Israel hating bubbling to the surface now. Born on the 4th of July! Bet if you had probed a little more, you could have found some Troofer blood.

    I’m sure this “upstanding soldier” will going directly to work for IBM soon on his return. But a peace time army is an oxymoron. As a civilian, I would prefer our Army to look like an army and not the Peace Corp.

    However, I am going to go out on thin ice here and agree.

    I’m all for Israel unleashing the dogs of war. They can indeed take there of themselves. I do indeed hope Israel lays some real wood to the camel’s ass, because it is long overdue, and I want to want you implode with rage as your schoolmates drop like flies from the kill when they join the battlefield. Hopefully, you’ll volunteer in the cause.

  151. want to watch you implode…

    Worth typing again, as it gives me a boner thinking of Huck doing battle with the Jews. I feel a major beat down coming. Ahhh….

  152. You know, I could have sworn they were talking about Huck here

    In early 2010, when American foreign policy experts could not imagine that the radical Muslim Brotherhood would emerge as the most powerful political force in Egypt, President Obama dismissed the party as a “faction,” adding that “they don’t have majority support in Egypt. But they’re well organized. There are strains of their ideology that are anti-U.S.”

    Less than a year afterwards, the Brotherhood has emerged as the winner of the first three rounds of legislative elections in the post-Mubarak period. Its closest contender represents the even more radical Salafist Muslim sect.“

    Oops. I suppose if those armchair diplomats managed to actually get in the field and talk to someone without talking points, they would’ve figured this out. But who am I kidding, “diplomats” are the smartest people in the room, just ask them and they’ll tell you how special they are.

  153. I don’t suppose folk caught that he’s a Corporal, having been in the Army for 10 years. 10 years?! What kind of fuck up stays an E-4 for 10 years?

    I’d venture to guess that A) he’s lying about being in for 10 years, or B) he’s got a couple Article 15s in his record.

    Winning!!!

  154. Gorilla, 😆

    Gomer with a ‘neck’ tat. Huck and Tool’s ™ kind of quality soldier! Shazam!

    The loon is clearly being used like a prop by the Circus Freak. Soldier will come back to Obama’s Veteran uemployment line and get a big dose of reality.

  155. OWS, it changed the conversation.

    Tex- When Republican’ts say money is not free speech then Obama can stop raising it. Until then, it’s his “right” to arm himself. And I bet a breakdown of those “employees” of Wall Street would show a lot more of his contributions coming from the 99% (CNBC grips) than the 1% (hedge fund owners and managers).

    BTW, buh-bye Bat Shit. Now that she’s gone, who are the Baggers going to back? Not that fetus killing, mandate-creating Mormon, right? 😉

  156. “Now that she’s gone, who are the Baggers going to back? Not that fetus killing, mandate-creating Mormon, right?”

    No. Obama, right Numbnutz? 🙄

  157. That’s right Tigre.

    Thor, our resident teabaggee that we Conservatives love to dip because his mouth is so soft and his tongue so long, is an Obama rube thru and thru – pay no heed to the viable fetus killing, mandate-creating Muslim (for President), right?

    Notice that Thor has some of the same tendencies that our resident Tool ™ does when the suitor doesn’t fit the suit. Just ignore the butt ripped out, unable to find the ass cheeks with both hands, and see the nicely starched creases.

  158. “It’s troubling to think that abortion should be used to control the natural course of life based on some value judgment about who [we] want to abort, or what the lives of their offspring would have been like. And that the determination should be made that no life at all for the offspring is better for all of us. Your post reads to me as an extreme objectification of women and children. I assumed it was meant at least partially in jest, or to shock, so the word macabre came to mind.”

    It’s actually a lot simpler than that.

    I have two children; that was what my first wife and I could afford at the time, because my salary did not go up when I had each additional child. That is unlike those folks who can afford to have slews of children because their income goes UP each time – paid for, I might add, by ME – with my tax money I could have used to have more children myself. Since I love children, you can see how that might pique my ire a little.

    When I say I think it is a bargain to pay for abortions for these people, I’m just trying to help MY kids out, you see – since they are now in the position I was in: struggling to take care of their FEW children so they can pay for people to lie on their asses with their legs up in the air and breed a passel for my GRANDCHILDREN to raise. ad infinitum ad nauseum. Roosevelt’s legacy is multiple generations of nonproductive (but not non REproductive) humans, each generation of which produces nothing except more like themselves. That’s not my prejudice, or my “value judgement” or my “objectification.” It’s what all the statistics say has happened, is happening, and will happen.

    Think I was kidding? Not_on_your_life. Abortion in these cases is the best money you ever spent.

    (No offense to you personally; it’s a sore topic with me)

  159. And you make a good point about nobody “needing” the govt to pay for their abortions.

    If that’s true, then they don’t “need” govt (you and I) to pay for their children, either, do they? The govt should stay out of the reproduction business altogether.

  160. I was up late last night following the results. This 50 year old’s ass is too damn old for this stuff. I don’t do late nights like I used to. 😦

    Tex, glad you don’t work for CNN — “I was wrong, looks like Bachmann and Perry are going to persevere.” Ehhhh no. As has been noted, Bachmann already gone. Perry did not go back to Texas just to tell us he’s coming back into the race. When Cain said he would “re-asses” he dropped out. Perry is re-assessing. That means he’s dropping out.

    Frankly I’m surprised by Bachmann. I truly thought she would fight at least through South Carolina. But broke is broke and I’m guessing she has no money. My wife read somewhere she’s looking at a Senate run so stay tuned for that.

    I see Gingrich conspicuously absent from the discussion on the board today. Mmmm, why is that? Pfesser who started off with today’s analysis said nothing about him and the rest of you followed suit.

    Poolman is right that Paul enjoys more military support than any other candidate and that is because (and Gorilla of all people ought to know this) NO ONE knows the price of war better than the soldier himself. We’ve sent these poor kids on missions of folly for the past ten years and they’re sick and tired of it.

    Speaking of Gorilla:

    What kind of fuck up stays an E-4 for 10 years?

    I’d venture to guess that A) he’s lying about being in for 10 years, or B) he’s got a couple Article 15s in his record.

    Could you state that in English for dumb civilians like me?

    There were a number of tweets last night concerning the soldier supporting Paul in uniform. Wonder if he’ll be reprimanded?

    New Hampshire is Huntsman’s last stand. But Santorum just proved that you can come from almost dead last and still get a close second in one of these things so I wouldn’t count Huntsman out yet. The bigger question is can Huntsman turn a NH win into anything down the line? SC ain’t voting for Huntsman. In fact, I had SC in Perry’s bucket but that’s moot now. Maybe Gingrich?

    It’s gonna be a fun year!!!!

    P.S. Gorilla, your dissing diplomats seems to me part of our problem over the past ten years. The State Department and the DoD have been at odds and as a result we don’t have a unified approach to handling our FP problems.

  161. A part of me finds an Obama/Clinton ticket highly unlikely but I also believe The Great One to be an opportunistic politician. If the economic landscape declines and Joe can be convinced to take one for the Gipper, AND Hillary can be convinced not to retire, then it COULD happen.

    Unlike Pfesser, I don’t think this necessarily gives Obama a lock on reelection. Obama/Clinton ticket will inspire double the hate. Most folks like the majority on this board just laugh at Joe. Most folks like the majority on this board actively dislike Hillary.

  162. I have a hard time seeing Hillary Hitched to Obama — and Obama being willing to take Bill as part of the package deal. I also think it reeks of easily perceived desperation.

  163. I love how when Pfesser talks like Hitler, Tex jumps right on the bandwagon. I guess mass murder of black people (and let’s be f*cking honest here … nobody’s thinking about West Virginia white trash in this discussion) goes down fine in these parts.

    Hey Pfesser, since the banks that are too big to fail and got us all into a huge mess are run mostly by Jews, how ’bout some good old fashioned Jewish sterilizations? No extermination needed … just stop ’em before they get started. 👿

    P.S. For the mentally impaired, the previous paragraph was a purely rhetorical argument. Anyone who supports abortion or sterilization as a method to control social phenomena is a sick f*ck and needs to rethink his position. 😐

    P.P.S. I wouldn’t have posted this comment if Pfesser had acknowledged being facetious but instead he doubled down.

    P.P.P.S. Before anyone else goes there … you can’t in one breath promote abortion and in the next breath say you love children. What utter bullsh*t.

  164. Only you Rutherford would be enough of a bore to stay up and watch a mostly meaningless caucus. 🙄 Good grief – so eaten up with failed Obama record, he’s got to watch the playoffs to see who Obama and Koko might have to run against to formulate a plan. What a meaningless existence.

    I don’t think Hillary will do a damn thing for Obama and might actually hurt him. Many Hillary supporters still feel jilted, and I got a funny feeling asking her to play second fiddle for an utter failure for President to bail his sorry ass out, which now even Dims recognize – hence the Hillary utterance, isn’t going to go over big with the nags, shrews, and horse asses. Besides, we know Independents are going 2-1 against Obama and Hillary isn’t going to change that to any degree. Double the hate is right – Hillary Rotten is an even easier target than Obama, as she has no nice smile. Alfred E. Neuman with two small breasts and two fat thighs.

    Obama’s only hope is to lie like hell about his abysmal economic record, claiming obstruction – a laughable claim, but I never count out the idiocy factor. There’s a lot of people like the Tool ™ so dumb, they don’t know which was is up.

    If Romney can’t clearly communicate just what a lousy POS Obama has been, how Obama is clearly the worst excuse for President in the history of our Republic, then Romney doesn’t deserve to win the Presidency and we can all put down our flotation devices – game over with a second term of U.S.S. Obama running into the iceberg he’s got us streaming towards.

    At least this time, you bastards from the Left are going with us and I am going to enjoy putting your head under my boot on the way down.

    I watched last night in no certain order: (1) The Sugar Bowl (2) The Wisconsin vs. Michigan State game (3) True Grit (the new one).

    To hell with Obama and screw Koko with Rutherford’s penis – I already know where my vote is going. ABO baby!!!!!

  165. Rutherford, if it makes you feel better….or worse:

    Blacks and hispanics overwhelmingly predominate the abortion mills per demographic percentile. You think they are setting up these PP mills in the burbs? Right there at poverty ground zero. Mostly liberal, white butchers doing the aborting too. You know that – I know you do.

    And that wicked bitch running PP makes over a million a year doing it. Tiller was a multi-millionaire. This euthanasia is big money for those white libs you love so.

    And it’s your abortion approving President that is preying on his own in the name of “safe, legal and rare” that you really ought to be condemning. Because ripping a fetus apart from its limbs as about as coldly sterile as it gets.

    If you haven’t noticed, it’s us fundie, bible thumping wing-nuts trying to save them. So don’t lecture us Christians…your finger ought to be pointing straight at Obama.

  166. “(and let’s be f*cking honest here … nobody’s thinking about West Virginia white trash in this discussion)”

    Just goes to show how wrong you can be when you jump to conclusions, doesn’t it? Those people are precisely who I had in mind; that’s what I grew up with. (Very few black folks in WV; we hung ’em all. THAT’s a joke)

    “Hey Pfesser, since the banks that are too big to fail and got us all into a huge mess are run mostly by Jews, how ’bout some good old fashioned Jewish sterilizations? No extermination needed … just stop ‘em before they get started.”

    No, they are the productive ones. (I heard they were going to start a fund for all the homeless Jews. There are three of them, you know…)

    “P.S. For the mentally impaired, the previous paragraph was a purely rhetorical argument. Anyone who supports abortion or sterilization as a method to control social phenomena is a sick f*ck and needs to rethink his position.”

    I agree. Stop the perverse incentive for these people to keep having babies and the problem would solve itself. A little Social Darwinism goes a long way; let everyone suffer the results of his folly.

    “you can’t in one breath promote abortion and in the next breath say you love children. What utter bullsh*t.”

    The two are unrelated. Nice try, though…

  167. I think Rutherford is to blame for getting us back on the abortion debate. This is a dead end. An intellectual cul-de-sac. Nobody gains any ground from this debate.

    Abortions have been happening since the beginning of pregnancies. For whatever reason, they are much a part of humankind as are birth and death. A third of human abortions occur naturally. We call them miscarriages. Induced abortions, whether right or wrong, cruel or humane, legal or prohibited, have continued throughout history.

    Now if we could avoid the unwanted pregnancy, then the moral decision regarding induced abortion and the need for them goes away dramatically. Why aren’t we as zealous in stopping the pregnancy from occurring in the first place?

    That is where we have failed. It is in the education and teaching our children about these things. Aside from our families, the church has been the most silent and ineffectual, preferring to all but deny our sexuality and rather to condemn our sexual tendencies. What we need are lessons in how to deal with it in practical terms.

    But I guess it is much easier to condemn than teach.

  168. Poolman –

    You know better than that! We can’t be teaching these kids about sex, like they do in Europe! Never mind that Europe’s unwed teen pregnancy rate is a fraction of ours…information could lead to sex. And sex could lead to……..well, …… DANCING! For SHAME!

    No, let them learn about sex from the street. I say, if it was good enough for us, it’s good enough for them… and let’s force them to HAVE those babies, too! All those good people who wouldn’t tell them about sex, wouldn’t let them have birth control and then wouldn’t let them have an abortion will step right up, I’m sure – like they always have – and ADOPT them little bastards!

    Sigh…it feels soooooo good to be on the side of the angels.

  169. “you can’t in one breath promote abortion and in the next breath say you love children. What utter bullsh*t.”

    The two are unrelated. Nice try, though…

    Well, no actually they are related. The entire trick to the abortion discussion is whether you take the mother-centric view or the baby-centric view. From the baby-centric view, abortion prevents children from being born. If one “loves children”, one would not interfere with their birth and certainly would not promote abortion as a means to some social remedy.

  170. Angel ➡ Tex 😀

    Pfesser, since the birth rate in Europe is in steadily decline, they may be well taught about how to abort, but you won’t recognize Europe to the point in two generations as it will more resemble Yemen. Abortion stats for young mothers are actually increasing in frequency in most of Europe. America actually is one of the few places on earth where abortions have been reduced the last 20 years.

    I have this strange perception a lot of those missing, unwed young mothers of Europe are simply running to the mill. I doubt sex education had much to do with the unwed mother ratio.

    And I know the abortion stats for Russia are the highest in the world. In fact, abortion is the number one form of birth control in the former Soviet Republic. I did a bioethics paper some years back, and I am almost sure nothing has changed the trends.

  171. I think Rutherford is to blame for getting us back on the abortion debate.

    I resemble that remark. 🙂

    I believe the blame lies with Pfesser.

    When it comes to dealing realistically with pregnancy, Rick Santorum is one scary dude. An abstinence only kinda guy.

  172. “When it comes to dealing realistically with pregnancy, Rick Santorum is one scary dude. An abstinence only kinda guy”

    The opposite is scary too. Just not to you.

  173. C’mon Rutherford – you’re getting sucked into that “it’s a baby at conception” argument. Tighten up.

  174. This thread has got me to thinking. You know what this “neighborhood bar” needs? We need a Muslim and a black conservative. We’ve had plenty of women on both sides of the political divide (although we haven’t yet had the type of conservative woman that drives me crazy. Muffy runs a bit conservative but I like her.) We’ve got guys from a variety of socio-economic demo’s. What we need is a Muslim to set us all straight … and a Thomas Sowell kinda character whose balls I can have fun busting.

    C’mon BiW, Alfie, G, you guys are bloggers … don’t you know any black neocons you can lure over here??? 🙂

  175. One way or another, liberalism is dying the slow death. Buwahahahaha. The only question that remains, is which state will fold first?

    California or Illinois? Matter of time.

    Now we got to protect ourselves from the roaches that will come down and attempt to live off the dole in our remaining fine states. These degenerates come pretty close to ruining Colorado before the locals figured out what was going on.

    Don’t let it happen to your state!

    These libs are like a plague of locust, and when they come, they come in droves with their hand out for help. What they can’t mooch, they’ll steal with tagger in hand.

    Drive them into the bowels of the earth, keeping the guns locked and loaded. If you see Obama colors or any Obama paraphernalia, shoot first and ask questions later. Aim for the chest. Bullets can ricochet off heads of stone.

    http://news.investors.com/Article/596620/201201031854/california-business-leaving-child-booster-law-arson.htm

  176. I believe the blame lies with Pfesser.

    Actually, Tigre prosecuting Pfesser in 58 was the first play.

    I guess the recent interplay was Pfesser rebounding from your toss in 185.

    Either way, it seems to be a continual distraction in gaining any ground. It certainly will not save us from the impending doom that is getting closer with each passing day.

    Meaningless, meaningless. A chasing of the wind.

  177. Well, here. I’ll give you wanking libs, dregs, abortionists, donkey crank codgers, black militants, Chatty Kitchen loafs, fundies, and wingers a good laugh. Universal humor.

  178. That was funny. My wife says “What’s a Jewish woman doing wrapping Christmas presents?” Then she decided it must be her schtick. 😆

    Afa “universal humor”, I guess it depends on what universe you’re in.

  179. Recent Ohio earthquakes caused by fracking. More accurately, by the injecting wastewater into the deep sandstone.

    But no, it couldn’t be. Fracking is safe. I mean anything that is called “fracking” should be fine. Sounds like a gentle process, right?

    Must be those tree hugging libs making shit up. More Obama lackeys touting cooked science. Just keep up the fracking while we still can and try to stay ahead of regulation. I mean profits are up and nobody’s died – yet.

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=ohio-earthquake-likely-caused-by-fracking

  180. Must be those tree hugging libs making shit up. More Obama lackeys touting cooked science

    You got something right for once, completely by accident. Since AGW blew up in your face and you idiots look the dumb ass, now you’ve resorted to a new conspiracy requiring no explanation, since 99.99% of the geoscientists in the world are laughing at you.

    So if fracking is leading to all these earthquakes Tool ™, perhaps you can explain the Indonesia and Japan earthquakes – millions of times more powerful, which occurred where there is no zone of “fracking”?

    Or perhaps you can explain to us why fault lines precede fracking by millions of years?

    Since you don’t understand basic math, basic science, or basic reading comprehension, I am not even going to attempt to explain the concept of plate tectonics to you.

    But…

    Poolman, Oklahoma has been pressure fracking for 60 years without incident. You’re once again blowing smoke out your ass about things you know nothing about, which is a bad habit of yours.

    Have you ever participated in a fracking job, Boob? Hell no. You’re not smart enough to stick a hose down a gopher hole.

  181. The use of “frack” in the remade Battlestar Galactica was the best finger to the FCC I’ve ever seen. And not a damn thing they could do about it because of such mindless focus on specific words, rather than context.

    But to the comment, it’s not that fracking is causing earthquakes, but rather could be increasing the number of small quakes on existing fault lines by the waste water lubrication.

  182. “Now if we could avoid the unwanted pregnancy, then the moral decision regarding induced abortion and the need for them goes away dramatically.” –poolman

    We CAN avoid the unwanted pregnancy, you moron.

    “This is where we have failed. It is in the education and teaching our children about these things.” –poolman, again

    We’re teaching them all the time. And they are learning all the time. Now what do you think they are learning about abortion?

    “Aside from our families, the church has been the most silent and ineffectual, preferring to all but deny our sexuality and rather to condemn our sexual tendencies. What we need are lessons in how to deal with it in practical terms.” -poolman, like anyone could mistake that tripe for anyone else

    Your idea of practical concerns me. Frankly, you lecturing anyone on practicality or logic or sex or anything is preposterous.

    ”Abortions have been happening since the beginning of pregnancies. For whatever reason, they are much a part of humankind as are birth and death. A third of human abortions occur naturally. We call them miscarriages. Induced abortions, whether right or wrong, cruel or humane, legal or prohibited, have continued throughout history.”

    Stop it. No really, cut it out.

    PS…Thanks Rutherford, I like you too.

  183. “Abortions have been happening since the beginning of pregnancies. For whatever reason, they are much a part of humankind as are birth and death. A third of human abortions occur naturally. We call them miscarriages. Induced abortions, whether right or wrong, cruel or humane, legal or prohibited, have continued throughout history.”

    OK, hold the phone. Hang it up. Stop right there. The first sentence and the last sentence are true. But I draw the line at the middle two.

    1) “For whatever reason, they are much a part of humankind as birth and death.”

    No they aren’t. Birth and death are common to every human being that ever was and is. Abortion is not.

    2) “A third of human abortions occur naturally. We call them miscarriages.”

    A miscarriage is not an abortion in the context of the abortion debate/discussion. When we talk about abortion in this country, we are talking about induced abortion and do not try to equate the debate around the morality of abortion with miscarriages. That’s an insult to any woman who has ever feared to have or actually had a miscarriage or supported a woman who’s had either situation (and the fathers involved as well). An abortion is a choice a woman makes. Statements like these make me very angry as a pro-choice backer. I get very angry at people who sugar coat the very painful and complex decision making process that woman go through before having an abortion, but I get equally as angry at anyone who sugar coats that it should be a painful and complex decision-making process.

    I support the legality of abortion, but usually refrain from discussing–in the same vein–the morality of abortion. The reason I support the legality is that there are so many edge cases; so many unique situations; so many differing stances on the morality of it; and so much inevitability in that a woman who wants one (and can) will get one, inside or outside the law; that I believe the better way to deal with the morality of it is to focus energies outside of the legality argument. If all the people so opposed to abortion would actually focus their energies on prevention, I think we’d make better progress on reducing it. At the same time, I understand the emotional opposition to it, but firmly believe that the emotional response in this case should not dictate the legal framework allowing it.

    On an anecdotal note (is that redundant?) as a staunch pro-choice advocate, I am as much a supporter of supporting (ok, now that does sound redundant) a woman’s choice to have a child as I am to her choice to not have one. I do have a personal experience in that as well (if that makes me less of a vile human being here). I had a friend who got pregnant and was pressured mightily by her then-boyfriend/now-ex-husband to abort. I was as vociferous in my support of her choice to have the child as I would have been in any friend’s firm decision to abort (he tried to enlist my support to persuade her to abort). Happily–even though they are now divorced–the father loves his daughter and I hope he doesn’t even remember that he once wanted her aborted.

  184. And since I already referenced Battlestar Galactica, I’ll do it again. The episode where they had to internally debate and decide whether to make abortion illegal (in the context of there being only ~5k humans left alive) was one of the best episodes of the series.

  185. But to the comment, it’s not that fracking is causing earthquakes, but rather could be increasing the number of small quakes on existing fault lines by the waste water lubrication.

    How long does it take you guys to dream these wild conjectures and machinations up? Gang when they frack the rock, the cracks are microscopic in nature. And the frequency of earthquakes is so irregular, there is no possible way you can possibly apply statistical causation.

    I worked in the petroleum industry for over 20 years, including in the field. I don’t know one geophysicist or geologist that wouldn’t laugh each of you off the stage for trying to blame earthquakes on fracking.

    Do you lefties have any idea what paraffin is? Or graphite? Or even crude oil? All natural common elements and compounds which are used as lubricant and under extreme pressures of millions of tons of earth.

    Let me give you a lesson in exploration. Unstable fault situations lend themselves to reservoirs of oil and gas – a major reason why oil and gas is available there in the first place.

    ————

    Let’s just assume you’re right. Fracking causes small earthquakes.

    Let’s say the register frack quake measures 2.0 on the Richter Scale – a fairly frequent occurrence of quake that happens thousands of times a year – in every part of the world.

    That is exactly 0.00012% the magnitude of energy released in the Oklahoma quake, the largest known in state history, that shook my house in November, 60 miles from the epicenter. No damage.

    Even if the quake registers 3.0 on the Richter scale, it is still only 0.004% of the magnitude in energy that shook my house.

    Even if the quake registers 4.0 on the Richter scale, it is still 0.13% of the magnitude of energy that shook my house.

    Do you see yourselves making a mountain out of a molehill?

    You Libs must sit around in live in terror your entire life. I saw your reaction after 9/11 – running for the first time in your life to the churches. 😆 It’s wonder you drive.

  186. C’mon BiW, Alfie, G, you guys are bloggers … don’t you know any black neocons you can lure over here???

    They’d consider you to be part of the problem, and they have far less patience than I do.

    Meaningless, meaningless. A chasing of the wind.

    I feel the same way everytime I see a comment from you.

    But more to the point, if you believe it, then why are you here?

  187. Kat, for your information, our objection to abortion is not based on emotion. It’s based on morality – the taking of a potential human life. And that is exactly what the definition of abortion is – the termination of a pregnancy.

    You are more than welcome to your opinion, but you’re not welcome to judge and determine how others base their decisions. You’re not qualified to do so.

    I’m always a little befuddled how easily you abortion on demand proponents can justify your position by stating the case for the difficulty of the woman, without any concern for that being aborted with a unique DNA, half the time not even sharing the sex of the mother.

    There is something incredibly twisted and sick IMO in that mindset.

  188. If I heard a tenth of the outcry for the 45-50 million abortions in this country since Roe from the same people that I hear for the considerably fewer troops killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, then I might at least appreciate some consistancy in the thinking.

    They’d still be wrong, but it would be a start.

  189. We CAN avoid the unwanted pregnancy, you moron.

    Moron, eh? 😆 That’s funny. But go ahead and tell me how we CAN avoid all these unwanted pregnancies, and WHY that hasn’t occurred in the real world. Stick to reality, please. I anxiously await enlightenment! 😀

    We’re teaching them all the time. And they are learning all the time. Now what do you think they are learning about abortion?

    Oh really? Who is “we” and what are “we” teaching them? What are they learning? You seem to know or claim special knowledge. I think the only thing they are learning about abortion is that it’s a volatile word that divides.

    Your idea of practical concerns me. Frankly, you lecturing anyone on practicality or logic or sex or anything is preposterous.

    Practical is a word you are probably not real familiar with. Just tell me why practical lessons are less than ideal when it comes to ANY natural human function? I could give a rat’s ass if you think my qualifications are adequate or not. I am not imposing my beliefs on you. You haven’t provided any notable talent at assessing character. I have been married over 34 years and have successfully raised my children and am greatly involved with raising my two grandchildren. It would have been a much less bumpy ride if I was told what to expect from a real perspective from the beginning.

    Americans are so messed up when it comes to any sex related topic. The proofs in the pudding, muff, like it or not. Burying your head in the sand doesn’t make it go away.

  190. But BIC,

    The 50 million don’t vote. And if you can’t vote, libs aren’t interested – a product of conception; a wart to be removed. There’s nothing in it for them personally; nothing to be gained.

    I don’t cut Rutherford much slack anymore, because he doesn’t deserve any. But on this one subject, I am thankful that Rutherford approaches the subject of abortion fairly – even reasonably. I have met few other from the left that do.

    And I respect Rutherford for that, because it is not the popular opinion for an Obama “proponent” to hold.

  191. You haven’t provided any notable talent at assessing character.

    Au Contraire, mon frère. Moron is precisely the notable character trait that comes to mind when the Poolman is given due consideration. And I’ll bet if we take a poll of our active bar stool participants at the Lawson Bar & Lounge, most would agree wholeheartedly.

    Muffy has you well pegged, Tool ™.

  192. 1) “For whatever reason, they are much a part of humankind as birth and death.”

    No they aren’t. Birth and death are common to every human being that ever was and is. Abortion is not.

    A part of humankind, as in common or “not an unusual occurrence”. That is how I meant it. Not that all humans have them. Maybe like moles or dimples, and obviously females and not males. Sorry if that wasn’t clearly stated.

    2) “A third of human abortions occur naturally. We call them miscarriages.”

    A miscarriage is not an abortion in the context of the abortion debate/discussion.

    I realize that and only pointed it out because it is a FACT. For whatever reason 1/3 of the terminated pregnancies are naturally aborted, without human intervention. I am NOT interested in “the debate”. It really isn’t a debate anyway. I am NOT talking about the morality of it, just the fact. Call it what you will, but abort describes the process.

  193. I’m always a little befuddled how easily you abortion on demand proponents can justify your position by stating the case for the difficulty of the woman, without any concern for that being aborted with a unique DNA, half the time not even sharing the sex of the mother.

    Whether it’s easy or not is a qualifier you can’t actually quantify. I don’t think it’s easy. And yes, I prioritize the existing woman over the potential life when it comes to deciding whether I think the procedure should be legal or not.

    I don’t understand your statement regarding whether the gender DNA is relevant. Do elaborate.

  194. How long does it take you guys to dream these wild conjectures and machinations up? Gang when they frack the rock, the cracks are microscopic in nature. And the frequency of earthquakes is so irregular, there is no possible way you can possibly apply statistical causation.

    Again, it’s not the fracking per se that is hypothesized to cause the increase in earth quakes. The subject under investigation is whether the method of waste water disposal is increasing the frequency of small earthquakes in existing fault lines.

  195. I feel the same way everytime I see a comment from you.

    But more to the point, if you believe it, then why are you here?

    That’s a good question and one I often ponder. I’m certain your time spent here is somehow a more noble sacrifice on the altar of father time. I guess the question should more aptly be posed to my agenda setter.

  196. The subject under investigation is whether the method of waste water disposal is increasing the frequency of small earthquakes in existing fault lines.

    FIFY.

    And that’s the problem. Like AGW, you pseudo-scientists are trying to blame perfectly naturally occurring processes of which man has little or no control on industry. It’s a crock and a sham.

    Personally, I would like to see the oil industry plug the pipeline from the refinery for a time to particular places on our coasts, and let the tree huggers see how well they fare without gas, heating oil and diesel to teach them a hard earned lesson.

    Physical discomfort is a great motivator to alleviating bad behavior and meddling.

  197. I don’t understand your statement regarding whether the gender DNA is relevant. Do elaborate.

    It’s a life separate from the mother…unique and distinct that you’re aborting. And to easily prove that, the fetus in half the cases is not even the same sex as the mother.

    BIC and I are fond of asking you guys if there is nothing wrong with abortion, why do your type always “qualify” it with “rare”? Neither of us has ever received much of a worthy response.

  198. And that’s the problem. Like AGW, you pseudo-scientists are trying to blame perfectly naturally occurring processes of which man has little or no control on industry. It’s a crock and a sham.

    I’m not trying to be a scientist. I’m allowing science to do their work to determine whether this is correlation or causation. There is currently a correlation between the waste water from fracking to small earthquakes. Investigation continues whether it’s a causation.

  199. It’s a life separate from the mother…unique and distinct that you’re aborting. And to easily prove that, the fetus in half the cases is not even the same sex as the mother.

    Again, not getting where the gender of the fetus is relevant. I believe the mother’s life and decision is paramount (if that is her choice) under the law.

  200. you’re getting sucked into that “it’s a baby at conception” argument.

    No I DO get the distinctions between a zygote, embryo, fetus and baby. But if I love children, then I have to acknowledge you don’t get ’em without going through all those stages first.

  201. They’d consider you to be part of the problem, and they have far less patience than I do.

    If I had patience with a misguided brotha, I’m sure he’d return the favor. 😉

  202. I don’t like neocons- black or otherwise.

    An E-4 is a pretty low pay grade and if he has been in the Army for 10 years, he should probably be an E-6. An Article 15 means he got in trouble and was probably deducted pay and rank.

    My issue with “diplomats” stems from the fact that I’ve actually had to work with the State Dept. Unlike those that ponder the theories of Morgenthau from a comfy armchair, I’ve actually had to use my degrees (yes, plural) in diplomacy. I keep asking Captain UN to explain diplomacy because I think it will be pretty informative, mostly in demonstrating the complete lack of understanding at what the point of diplomacy is.

    If you had actually met a foreign service officer, R, you would probably come away with one word in mind: arrogant. They’re coddled and brainwashed into thinking they are the smartest people in the room, when in reality, they rarely are. The point of diplomacy is not to talk, which is what most “diplomats” think. I agree completely that the DoD and the State Dept need to be in step when it comes to foreign policy, but since the State Dept has never really been accountable for its failings (of which the DoD typically pays the price), and since they have one of the worst work ethics ever, it really is no surprise that DoD and State don’t see eye to eye.

    In the DoD, the attitude is that failure usually means someone dies. In State, there’s no such thing as failure, just cocktail hour…

  203. “Recent Ohio earthquakes caused by fracking. More accurately, by the injecting wastewater into the deep sandstone. ”

    Heard something about it on the radio. If I’m correct, they are averaging Richter 2-3, which is nothing. I’m more concerned about contamination of the groundwater.

  204. “What’s the opposite of abstinence only Tigre? It ain’t abortion. It’s proper birth control. What’s scary about that?”

    Improper birth control and abortion.

    Did you read what you had written before hitting the “post comment” button?

  205. #250 Muffy makes a lame and unproductive attempt to bust poolman’s chops.

    I don’t see where you got any traction at all. Do you disagree with some of the things he said; and if so, what is your counter-argument?

  206. ” A miscarriage is not an abortion in the context of the abortion debate/discussion.

    I realize that and only pointed it out because it is a FACT. For whatever reason 1/3 of the terminated pregnancies are naturally aborted, without human intervention. I am NOT interested in “the debate”. It really isn’t a debate anyway. I am NOT talking about the morality of it, just the fact. Call it what you will, but abort describes the process.”

    It’s also the medical term for it: “spontaneous abortion.”

    Think of it as God weighing in on the abortion debate. If God does it, who are we to argue?

  207. El Tigre –

    I hear what you have to say about hating a lot of doctors, but stupidity can be found on both sides of the tracks:

    “You think you’ve heard it all until I tell you that an appeals court in Illinois recently ruled that a woman is allowed to sue a dead teen’s estate for injuries caused by his flying body parts. The 18-year-old boy was running across the Amtrak tracks to catch another train but didn’t make it — he was hit by an oncoming train going 70 mph and his body was torn apart by the force and flung onto a nearby passengers’ waiting platform. The woman, 58, was struck by a sizable chunk of the boy’s body and was knocked to the ground, breaking her leg and wrist.

    *******The court ruled that the boy’s death was “reasonably foreseeable” and that his estate can be held responsible for his negligence.”********

    Fu*k me with a wire brush. I’m moving to Sicily as soon as I can.

  208. “Think of it as God weighing in on the abortion debate.”

    Mighty twisted logic. But hey, at least pedophilia can now be justified based on Mary’s conception, right PF?

    “If God does it, who are we to argue?”

    Since the issue is whether man can do it, we can argue about it all day. Miscarriage is irrelevant.

    That’s some dressing down of Muffy for someone that offers that pile of dog shit to the discussion.

  209. PF, I’d like to read the opinion.

    What you summarized though causes me to wonder what you’d say if someone jumping of a tall building and landing on innocent pedestrians below had the same result.

    (pretermitting your response that one was deliberate and one accidental, the question is one of foreseeability under the blurb you pasted — reckless disregard of the consequences of one’s actions — willfl blindness — being of no moment).

  210. “BIC and I are fond of asking you guys if there is nothing wrong with abortion, why do your type always “qualify” it with “rare”? Neither of us has ever received much of a worthy response.”

    A fair question.

    I can only speak for myself, but the reasons that come to mind are two:

    Firstly, it to mollify the people who are so extreme in their opposition to it in all forms. That never works, by the way. See Neville Chamberlain…

    Secondly, it’s like a hemorrhoidectomy – not pleasant to have done to you, controversial to talk about and generally avoidable with some planning, so having one done implies a certain amount of irresponsibility in the woman (and her partner). Making it rare implies that you have done the other things you need to do and that it is being done as a last resort. To some degree that also refers back to #1.

    Hope that’s not to convoluted…

  211. Well, help me out here, but I believe it was the Warren court that began this process of “strict liability” for nearly everything. Is that right?

    People make mistakes. In criminal law, as I understand it, there are two criteria that must be met: the act must be illegal, and there must be intent. If someone blunders into a police-monitored marijuana patch and happens to sit down and chew on a stem absent-mindedly, but does not know it is marijuana, there is no crime even though he is consuming an illegal product.

    In the same way, people very often don’t think about what they are doing. They have their heads up their asses and don’t watch their environment. Was there intent here? Did the boy intend to dismember himself in order to assault the woman? Jesus fuckme Christ…I’m reminded of the old joke about, “How do you address a lawyer with an 85 IQ?” “Your honor.”

    *********
    I’m out of my depth here; it just seems wrong to me on a fundamental level. I don’t know how the law works in a case like that.

  212. Again, not getting where the gender of the fetus is relevant. I believe the mother’s life and decision is paramount (if that is her choice) under the law.

    You’re not getting this. But why try to reason with a lib? Abort away Kat. In fact, I encourage you and yours to do so. And continue to prey on the minorities. I don’t like the way they vote.

    ——–

    Since you have no problems with indoctrination of children at the local level in 3rd grade, you won’t have a problem with us teaching the third graders to sing “Jesus Loves Me, This I know, For the Bible tells me so”, or maybe teaching the children in class that Obama is a communist and his economic policies are hurting them either?

    And yes, it was the parents that brought attention to this abomination in the first place. That has no business in a 3rd grade class. Period. Perhaps it was your selective reading in liberal arts that has made you so woefully confused as an adult.

    This is not only indoctrination of small children. It’s abuse and the reason we need to do away with public education. Anything liberalism touches, it ruins.

  213. Has anybody seen this?

    http://www.necn.com/01/05/12/Young-widowed-mother-shoots-intruder/landing_newengland.html?blockID=625304&feedID=4207

    All I can say is, Go, BABY!

    This is why I am a life member of the NRA, and why the NRA is one of the very few things standing between us and totalitarianism in this country.

    I taught two Australian doctors (brother and sister) how to shoot a few years back, right after Australia had basically banned all private gun ownership. It was something I will never forget.

  214. #256 “You are more than welcome to your opinion, but you’re not welcome to judge and determine how others base their decisions. You’re not qualified to do so.”

    Tex, this is a serious question

    Isn’t that what you and others do?

  215. “No I DO get the distinctions between a zygote, embryo, fetus and baby. But if I love children, then I have to acknowledge you don’t get ‘em without going through all those stages first.”

    You sure do – for those who will become a net benefit to society, as well as those that will be a net drag.

    If the mama herself realizes that she can’t raise another child, (and you can’t go back in time and un-pregnantise your self), then she has a decision to make. To her I would say, “Congratulations, welcome to the world of the responsible. We can help you with that.”

  216. #290 The first line of my reply is confusing. It should say, Yes, one has to go through all the stages – both for those embryos which will eventually become net benefits to society, as well as those that will become net drags.

    Sorry. I THINK that’s better…

  217. Just watched the press conf here at the Pentagon. I have to say, Paneta sounded good. Obama, not so much.

    Talk about a man desperate to be seen as responsible…

  218. “Well, help me out here, but I believe it was the Warren court that began this process of “strict liability” for nearly everything. Is that right?”

    No. I don’t know what you’re talking about. In civil law, strict liability (meaning intent and negligence are not required standards) generally found only in product liability cases certain statutory causes of action (e.g. harm to RR employees under the Fed RR Act, violations of creditor protection statutes, violation of pollution regs etc, etc). You also seem to have fundamental misunderstanding of the role of the Supreme Court and evolution of common law in negligence/liability cases.

    ” People make mistakes. In criminal law, as I understand it . . .”

    There is no comparison. Criminal is quite obviously punitive, civil (generally speaking, and with the exception of punitive damages) is remedial. So your analysis about “intent” and “unlawful” under criminal law as an analogy to civil law is entirely misplaced. “Mistakes” = negligence. The question is who should bear the loss (i.e. the one that caused the harm or the one that suffered it). It’s why professionals carry EO insurance too — and Lord I hope you have all you can acquire.

    So, “did the boy intend to dismember himself in order to assault the woman?” I doubt it, and “so?” Did the victim “intend” to assume the risk of some retard running front of train and get hit with body parts? You’ve also hit on why “foreseeability” was what was being addressed in the opinion. If I am a construction worker completing a high rise, and throw unacceptable bricks over my shoulder that land on people below, it doesn’t mean I “intended” someone to be hurt. Perhaps I just didn’t care or was so stupid that I appreciate the threat. Right? Apparently so too with entrusting you to treat a loved one. . .

    For someone that claims to have all of this courtroom experience and is so opinionated when it comes to the law, you sure don’t have even a basic understanding of what goes on there. I assume all of the medical malpractice cases against you are settled pre-suit and out of court. 😆

  219. Tigger –

    Don’t be such a prick.

    I said I didn’t understand the process in the beginning – or how the law works in civil vs criminal cases and asked for explanation by someone with more expertise. I am as out of my depth (and said so) in the courtroom as you are in the abortion arena (but have never acknowledged).

    Perhaps BOTH our distaste for the profession of the other is based on a little ignorance.

  220. New email from my daughter:

    Her to client:

    You can’t masturbate in the park and give children candy to touch your wiener. It’s just not nice.

    Client:

    But they always ask me for candy.

    I’m glad that my patients just smell bad. Hers have cancer of the soul.

  221. Pfesser re 279, thanks for trying to point that out. It kind of threw me too, not realizing it could be interpreted as offensive.

    Muff has apparently never liked my cyber ass and occasionally pounces on my paragraphs without provocation. 🙄

    I know sometimes I have a tough time expressing my thoughts with clarity, but even when I feel I succeed they often offend some of the more easily offended.

  222. Magilla,

    Like before, the less you post, the smarter you look. 😎

    Slammed, eh? Kat misunderstood 2 sentences in my post and objected to my inclusive use of the word “abortion”. I clarified the misunderstanding in 261.

    Shazaam!

  223. “R, what are your thoughts on the propriety of it?”

    We should start a poll.

    Based on history, here are Rutherford’s potential responses:

    A) It’s just part of the sausage-making
    B) Bush did it too
    C) I don’t have any idea what you are talking about

    Place your bets….

    “Improper birth control and abortion.”

    Isn’t that why they should be kept legal and only performed by qualified professionals, as opposed to the improper and illegal alternatives?

    “Mighty twisted logic. But hey, at least pedophilia can now be justified based on Mary’s conception, right PF?”

    We don’t have to pick on God. Joseph got all up in there, too. And he was made a saint for it.

  224. “I am as out of my depth (and said so) in the courtroom as you are in the abortion arena (but have never acknowledged).”

    Then I hereby acknowledge and proclaim: “I have never had an abortion.”

    (I honestly don’t know what you mean about the abortion thing. I have never professed knowledge, I’ve simply agreed with or criticized the logic being offered).

    Poolman @ 299, you took the words right out of my mouth! 😆

  225. “You Libs must sit around in live in terror your entire life. I saw your reaction after 9/11 – running for the first time in your life to the churches.” – Tex

    There is no larger group of pusses then conservatives. “Most” conservatives fear ideas, books, science, dark skin, Grover Norquist, young people, weird clothes and strange names. (Note I said “most” so you don’t have to list all your black friends or science badges.) I sleep like a baby most every night, while I imagine you lay twisting in the grip of another anxiety riddled fantasy about mosques or solar panels, sweat from your combover wicking onto the sheets so rapidly that you fear your water has broken. 😉

  226. #256 “You are more than welcome to your opinion, but you’re not welcome to judge and determine how others base their decisions. You’re not qualified to do so.”

    Tex, this is a serious question. Isn’t that what you and others do?

    It would be hard for me to be sure of this Raji, as you would read to me to have no core principles, or perhaps you’re not comfortable or not confident enough to explain how you derive your opinions – simply a contrarian to somebody’s post like say Huck generally is. Nothing much original. Hang around long enough and we get hints to who you might be, but never a clear indicator of the why or how.

    From what little I have read of you Raji, I would think you a reactionary by choice, as is Poolman, as is Kat. I wouldn’t expect you to understand the difference between opinion based on emotion and opinion based on say fact and reason. It’s how you “feel” as to what establishes your opinion. As example, your fault filled conjecture some weeks back of the nuclear fallout in Japan; completely without fact or knowledge, based on your own daughter’s outrage, blinded by a mother’s love I guess, but not validated by research, evidence or current findings.

    Rutherford and Pfesser, your allies, are cut from a different cloth, more unedifying in nature, often reprehensible and certainly to be personally avoided and never befriended – but still making for a more interesting read, as they at least arrive at their conclusions based on what they have established to be the evidence in part due to critical thinking. Sometime Rutherford lets his emotions get the best of him as we all do (Sarah Palin), but that is not typical.

    I preface that statement with this: unless it about Christianity, where both Rutherford and Pfesser are militantly hostile because it is antagonistic to their amoral and self-serving nature. A simple act of rebellion and the height of foolishness, them believing man being sovereign to an unknown god or no god, in the belief of their own universal wisdom. Laughable and arrogant.

    That helps to explain why Rutherford and Pfesser find you quite perceptive and interesting, while I find you pretty much empty headed and meaningless in your rhetoric.

    Hope that explains what I “feel” to be a huge gap my approach vs. yours. 😉

  227. No. Obama, right Numbnutz? – ET

    Just so we are clear, you and Tex WILL be willing to vote for a fetus- killing, mandate-creating candidate just to defeat Obama? The Kenyan must be defeated at all costs, even your ideals?

  228. Huck too much in one comment but. . .

    Can I put all my money on A, B and C?

    Your response to “improper and illegal alternatives” I assume was rhetorical. If not, you have extrapolated something different than what my response was intended to convey. I was reacting to Rutherford’s chiding Santorum’s abstinence position which, albeit an unrealistic objective, is certainly no more “scary” than “sure, fuck away — just don’t get pregnant”).

    As for Joseph, I thought he became a Saint because he didn’t get all up in there, or at least ditch her when that was the best story she could come up with.

    (Actually doesn’t the bible reference Jesus’ siblings?)

  229. “so we are clear, you and Tex WILL be willing to vote for a fetus- killing, mandate-creating candidate just to defeat Obama? The Kenyan must be defeated at all costs, even your ideals?”

    Yes. . . I think.

    So I am clear, what Obama policies reflect the ideals I would be sacrificing?

  230. Not a very good dance, Tex. One thing you can be sure of in radiology: the longer the dictation, the more unsure the radiologist is of what is going on with the x-ray. You created a masterpiece of dissembling and shuffling.

    Well, maybe not that good.

    Face it, Stud. She nailed your judgmental reactionary ass to the outhouse wall. Admit it and move on.

  231. Thor,

    😈 When I converse with you, I can’t help but believe it is Phil Donuhue screaming at me on the other end. It would be fruitless for me to even attempt to refute those charges. But I did find that one humorous.

    I haven’t been dressed down like that since Sandi Dye pushed me in the 6th grade for rejecting her invite to the Sadie Hawkins dance, and not fully appreciating the fairer sex, I knocked her on her ass in return.

    The only way to prove beyond a shadow of doubt that I’m not personally a pussy would be to challenge you to a physical manifestation of skill I suppose, but I’m afraid proximity makes that an impossibility. And unless you happen to show up on my lawn, I doubt I could work up the energy to walk across the street to teach you a lesson. You’re much too interesting and entertaining to gut or impale. Now on the other hand, other liberals….

    I’ll guess I’m left with simply holding you accountable to the fact that you will be left owing Rutherford $100.00 in November – gentleman’s trust, of course.

    And I’m guessing that the perception you may have made a bad bet is starting to dawn on you, being your “tone” has changed recently. So I think I’ll retaliate by simply piling on your hero Zero and his wife Koko some more. 😉

  232. Just so we are clear, you and Tex WILL be willing to vote for a fetus- killing, mandate-creating candidate just to defeat Obama? The Kenyan must be defeated at all costs, even your ideals?

    I thought we both made it quite clear that Romney, at his dead level worst, couldn’t be any worse concerning the issue of infanticide than what we happen to have now?

    And yes, the “jug-eared” Kenyan must be defeated at all costs to save the Republic.

    We loathe the man.

  233. Oh Pfesser, I guess I’ve bruised that phenomenal ego of yours one too many times.

    Not a very good dance, Tex. One thing you can be sure of in radiology: the longer the dictation, the more unsure the radiologist is of what is going on with the x-ray. You created a masterpiece of dissembling and shuffling.

    No, I was just trying to explain in detail why I find Raji the dullard, completely without merit, and vacuous. I couldn’t do that in two sentences. Therefore, now she will have no confusion to why I disdain her like I disdain you.

    See, it goes like this.

    Having you as resident doc with your remorseless and cold mindset is practically no different than having Joseph Mengele sitting as hospice, and I wanted to include you in there as example so Raji might know in the theater of my mind what she was being compared. That required some explanation, like your wild heroic stories following punch lines of old jokes and “bastard” children.

    Face it, Stud. She nailed your judgmental reactionary ass to the outhouse wall. Admit it and move on.

    What you call reactionary judgment, I call rational discernment. Reactionary is your tiring charges of theocracy. But since I find you equally as fatuous, I wouldn’t expect you to understand my response either.

  234. Tex, interesting that the parents of the kids didn’t complain but parents from other states did. I guess I’ll have to add “singing third-graders” and the number “99” to your list of fears. 😉

    “As part of the regular Kid Pan Alley activities, children are asked about the topics of songs they want to write and sing about. In October, one of the children participating in the activities at Woodbrook Elementary School mentioned that he wanted to write about “having it all and losing it all,”Albemarle County schools spokesman Phil Giaramita told CBS Washington.

    “The words ‘Occupy’ or ‘Wall Street’ were not mentioned in the classroom,” Giaramita said.

    In the past couple of days, the song from the October performance has been resurrected, with parents from Tennessee, Texas, and California accusing the third-graders of not being capable to come up with an idea so closely related to the Occupy Wall Street movement. There haven’t been any complaints from the parents of the children involved in the performance, Giaramita said.”

    They also managed to call the Virginia 3rd graders stupid. Nice.

  235. “while I find you pretty much empty headed and meaningless in your rhetoric.”

    Tex, you are more than welcome to your opinion but for the life of me I can’t decipher from your answer what makes you qualified to determine how “others base their decisions”

    “I wouldn’t expect you to understand the difference between opinion based on emotion and opinion based on say fact and reason”

    Again this statement had nothing to do with my question.

    “Hope that explains what I “feel” to be a huge gap my approach vs. yours”

    Good explanation but I wasn’t discussing the huge gap between your approach and mine.

    Thanks for the effort.

  236. I thought Tex might try to wriggle out of the “reactionary” comment he leveled at Raji.

    Since Wikipedia is subject to such derision, here is the definition from the American Heritage Dictionary:

    re·ac·tion·ar·y (r-ksh-nr)
    adj.
    Characterized by reaction, especially opposition to progress or liberalism; extremely conservative.
    n. pl. re·ac·tion·ar·ies
    An opponent of progress or liberalism; an extreme conservative.

    We don’t know anybody like that, do we?

    That nail through your ass bothering you, is it?

  237. Thor, pay no attention to the Tex behind the curtain. As I’ve said before, Hitler would get a vote if he ran against Obama. These folks are truly mentally ill.

  238. Regarding recess appointments. Tough sh*t on rye motherf*ckers! Congressional foot dragging to prevent any progress by Obama needs a good b*tchslap. I hope he recess-appoints Bill Ayers to something next just to burn your asses. 👿

  239. Raji –

    Didn’t you say your husband was a radiologist?

    If she were my daughter I’d be telling her to keep her rear end out of the hot zone, unless she has a way to account for her radiation exposure on an ongoing basis, and characterizing it by type. I don’t mean a film badge that is read at the end of the month; that’s too late.

    A good dose of radioiodine-131 or strontium-90 will put her in a world of doo-do, and I don’t mean just acutely. Sr-90 will guarantee her an osteosarcoma – and you don’t recover from that little problem.

    Bust her butt if you need to; those damned animals will either make it or not. She needs to be safe. This is, as you know, not stuff to trifle with.

  240. Sorry Raji, I tried.

    Let’s face it. The gulf between liberalism and conservatism irreconcilable. This point of finding moderation is a complete waste of time, utterly pointless, demagoguery at its worst, and should be avoided. Moderation and compromise has led to utter failure.

    Two diametrically opposed viewpoints of anything of importance or merit, stemming from what we perceive our purpose and mission, completely antagonistic to one another. By definition, there can be no harmony as we share no common purpose.

    However, my explanation above was in part to answer several other ad hominem retorts – all in one. Pfesser once again mistook the purpose, not recognizing he is number one on my list to put as much distance as humanly possible between the two of us when the time arrives.

  241. Thor, pay no attention to the Tex behind the curtain. As I’ve said before, Hitler would get a vote if he ran against Obama. These folks are truly mentally ill.

    Physically ill – of having to look at Obama and his hideous wife for another year.

    Hitler would have handled the economy far better as I told you at Alfie’s.

  242. Moderation and compromise has led to utter failure.

    Hello? 🙄 That is the only way the race has continued to this point.

    By definition, there can be no harmony as we share no common purpose.

    Ahem. Survival of the species comes to mind. Peace would be nice, but that requires everyone to put down their pointy sticks. 😐

  243. Regarding recess appointments. Tough sh*t on rye motherf*ckers! Congressional foot dragging to prevent any progress by Obama needs a good b*tchslap. I hope he recess-appoints Bill Ayers to something next just to burn your asses.

    I understand. I really do. You should enjoy the party for as long as it lasts and mouth the bleating sheep meme, Rutherford. It’s your right and I encourage you to call on Obama to abuse his authority while you still have the chance. You won.

    Just don’t whine when we put the screws to you with much laughter in the coming days.

    The scourging will be long awaited, without mercy, personal, and glorious. 😈

  244. Tex we share no common purpose? I guess that makes you a traitor and me a patriot. I want our country to be the envy of the world. Right now, illegal aliens don’t even want to come here anymore.

  245. I’ve been watching the Animal Planet cable station with my daughter lately. They have a show called “Animal Cop” and the recent episodes take place in Detroit. Seems to me the cops do better at protecting animals than they do humans.

    By the way, to see how some folks treat their animals, THEY ought to be put down. 😦

  246. Texas kid gets killed by cops while threatening folks with a pellet gun. Daddy is pissed. Sorry Dad, if you didn’t teach your kid that the police mean it when they say “drop your weapon” then you deserve to be buried alongside your kid.

    Hate to sound like Pfesser but there’s one young thug we won’t have to worry about incarcerating over and over again. 👿

  247. Tool ™ but not worthy useful idiot.

    In many, many ways, I find Pfesser a real breath of fresh air next to your own brand of depravity. He’s simply cold, remorseless, and transparently self-absorbed. Complete ice.

    You on the other hand, I am quite sure will be violently spewed from the mouth. I don’t perceive Pfesser as a dupe. You are.

    The type of incredibly, evil idiocy that willingly walked Jews into the ovens believing in his own good deeds.

  248. Rutherford, please. Spare me your self righteousness and faux piety. It’s revolting.

    Tex we share no common purpose?

    We share no common values, perhaps save one of love of family then. How could we possibly share a common purpose then? We are of two completely opposing minds, Dear Rutherford.

    I want our country to be the envy of the world.

    And what envy would that be, Rutherford? Our ability to borrow monies we do not have, inability to employ, racial tension and strife, class envy, failing schools, failed economic plans, failed energy plans, cronyism and political favor, public flush funds for political contribution…failed…failed…failed….

    And you have the gall to chastise some of us because we want to give someone else a chance? I am of the opinion that President Barack Obama is the biggest failure as President in U.S. history, certainly of the last 80 years – even worse than Jimmy Carter by two fold.

    What I find real mental instability is to clearly see Obama’s failures, even slipping to a degree and admitting as much now and again on this very blog, then bleeding for the man to give him a chance to repeat the same mistakes with the same pathetic policies, this time completely unencumbered without threat of election. And to add icing to the cake, celebrate on this thread Obama’s clear misuse and abuse of executive power.

    Surely you jest in criticizing us? I cringe to think what this bastard capable of when he feels personally threatened by political vote.

  249. Rutherford –

    My girlfriend did a TA course when I was in college and I got interested in the “Games People Play” series.

    It was actually really good; I used Games Alcoholics Play as my bible during my psych rotation. I realized immediately that the med students played with the psych patients but was one of the few studs who also recognized that the psych staff played the exact same games with the med students; we were their “patients.” Their job was to get to us; ours was to resist, but not show that we knew. Some of my classmates nearly took their own lives; once I lost my starry-eyed view of medicine they could never break inside my barrier; I got a lot of solace from that.

    The thing I remember best from the Games series was the assertion that all anger comes from fear. I have never seen that tenet violated. Ever.

    Not to play nickel psychiatrist here, but the palpable, seething anger manifest over and over by Tex et al is nothing but fear. It is easy to sit back with your narrow, self-satisfied, judgmental views and fire shots, but when you venture out into that big, wonderful world called the Internet and have your narrow-minded views attacked and picked apart from every angle, it’s SCARY. They are angry, Rutherford, because they are AFRAID.

    But also extant on the ‘net are people who have learned that WHAT is right is more important than WHO is right and are willing to change their views as they learn. These people particularly frighten the rigid reactionaries, who call them “cold” or “amoral.” LOL. No, they have just learned about – and rejected – the dead end called, “closed-mindedness.”

    One thing is for sure; you can’t get to those in that second group. And they surely CAN get to you – anytime they wish – but it’s not they that pick your lock and invade your soul; it is YOU, who by your own rigidity, leave wide open the door.

    Yes, Virginia, there ARE standards, but adults learn that the world is not all black and white; the best lesson one can learn is that the more absolutely sure one is that he is right, the more likely he is wrong. Learn that, and nobody will ever be able to get to you, either.

    Mini-rant over.

  250. Oh Dr. Mengele, take your psycho babble elsewhere. You need to start setting things to memory with what you share, because with your mouth and your penchant for running it make you an easy target. You trying to psychoanalyze somebody is like Rutherford trying to explain comparative religion. An atrocious act. Maybe you are a dupe after all.

    You started our little tiff with the accusation that I was having “wife” problems. Well, your psychobabble couldn’t have have been anymore wrong then, and you couldn’t be anymore wrong now.

    Listen up, “Doc.” 🙂 I’ve got some psychoanalysis of my own as I aim the microscope back toward you that doesn’t require Sigmund Freud.

    —————-

    If there’s anybody on this board who ought to be living in fear if you had any sense, it ought to be you. You’re living on the bleeding edge with your toys and your Mexican house cleaner to retain the current bulbous third or fourth wife, all the while playing catch up with the bills like so many dumb ass doctors with zero practicality. They generally die young. All the while, the alimony and the adopted misfits plus the mistress spend you into oblivion. You’re about to hit 60, and it occurred to you that you might be in a little trouble trying to live so large. Better start adding hours, bush pilot.

    Let me guess why you’re in the mood today? They just sliced you’re pay 30% because you’re obviously close to incompetent with no civil skills, and the only reason you’re still employed as no competent doctor is wiling to serve in Shitsville. If you’re half the genius you tell us you are, you could easily rectify that little diddy right on down the road.

    But I don’t think your services are in much demand because you reputation precedes you, with you being an ASSHOLE.

    So…here’s a little prediction predicated on past history shared on this wonderful blog, Peacock:

    No matter the professional title, you’re a piece of trash one step from removed from trailer trash, leaving a trail of destruction everywhere you’ve passed. You’re first marriage was a disgrace, after a lifetime of fucking up your own children in the process, and who wouldn’t be fucked up having you as a browbeating drunk for a dad? The first choice you chose to marry by the way went to hell in a hand basket, your shortcomings being the reason signifying why first wife couldn’t do better to begin with. And because you’re immature and a bully to women – her own mother developed a hatred for you too, indicating you fucked up the most important earthly decision you’re ever going to make – marriage and your own kids.

    What’s more, you have gleefully shared all this with a room full of strangers, most who don’t like you, indicating for all that high powered education, you’re not terribly bright either.

    And all this helps to explain why you got the time in the world to peruse the internet. Because there’s not a person on earth that likes or respects you, nor wants to be around you. And for all those people spending your hard earned money, you’re all alone in this world.

    Hopefully, this grabbed an “A” in your class, Sigmund.

  251. ” By definition, there can be no harmony as we share no common purpose.”

    Tex, I wandered over here not to pontificate but to expand my existing horizons. I am not looking for harmony nor a common purpose but knowledge. Occasionally if a subject interests me and enough facts and reasons are presented, I will take the time to theorize the principles presented and present my hypothesis.

    I assume any knowledge I have, you have already covered the water front and it would be pointless for me to add my two cents (sense)

  252. “Bust her butt if you need to; those damned animals will either make it or not. She needs to be safe. This is, as you know, not stuff to trifle with.”

    Excuse me! Back when the discussion arose, you and Tex were downplaying the amount of radiation that one could be exposed to. Now months later when the actual reports are finally coming out you state this is “not stuff to trifle with”

    My daughter is a grown woman and will follow her passion regardless. Frankly I think the radiation she was exposed to in Japan is less of a concern than the diseases she was exposed to in the waters of Thailand recently.

  253. The type of incredibly, evil idiocy that willingly walked Jews into the ovens believing in his own good deeds.

    🙄 Always the Holocaust with you people.

    You weren’t even born then. 🙄

    🙄 You aren’t even Jewish!

    Get over it already. 🙄

    Oy! Vey!

  254. Raji, 😆

    Excuse me! Back when the discussion arose, you and Tex were downplaying the amount of radiation that one could be exposed to. Now months later when the actual reports are finally coming out you state this is “not stuff to trifle with”

    Correct. You just busted our dynamic doctor too. 😆 He can join me with no free pass.

    Ummm…the great doctor, for all of his “open mindedness” seeing in the prism of all light Raji, has real hard time being consistent on staying on message from one day to the next. It’s a habit with the Professor Peacock.

    If I were to venture a reason, psychoanalysis of course, I would say the dementia has set in early, do to abject financial fear, the inevitable death (hopefully soon), and way, way too many holiday toddies.

    Pfesser has a liking for hard drink. Temporarily floats the pain away. 😈

  255. Tex, I wandered over here not to pontificate but to expand my existing horizons. I am not looking for harmony nor a common purpose but knowledge. Occasionally if a subject interests me and enough facts and reasons are presented, I will take the time to theorize the principles presented and present my hypothesis.

    Speaking only for myself, I enjoy the conversation. If everybody thought like I did, I wouldn’t be here to start. Doing battle with Pfesser is stimulating. 😈 I can’t think off hand of anybody more that I wish to hit in the head with virtual rocks. Poolman on the other hand, is a crank that if I had sense, would pry off the bottom of my shoe.

    We don’t have to admire each other to ‘psychoanalyze’ each other and form our hypotheses, do we? 🙂

    But why would you choose an internet food fight seeking knowledge? I can direct you to far better, more sophisticated sites, if political intrigue or actual know how is what you seek.

  256. “But why would you choose an internet food fight seeking knowledge? I can direct you to far better, more sophisticated sites, if political intrigue or actual know how is what you seek.”

    Please do enlighten me!

    I actually must fess up a bit. The interplay with you on this blog helps me to sharpen my skills in my debates with my brother. If I didn’t know he does not blog, I would swear his online name was “Tex” 😆

  257. “Congressional foot dragging to prevent any progress by Obama needs a good b*tchslap.”

    So you think it is up to the Executive to decide how the Legislative should operate?

    Can you cite that clause in the Constitution for us?

  258. Well Raji, when I’m in the mood to read real debate and in the mood to put the personal animosity aside and actually think before I write (snicker), I would recommend PJMedia.com for commentary. American Thinker is also good. And there’s always the fallback of WSJ. All I have participated in. All are good. All lean right.

    Even if you disagree with the gist of the article at PJM, the quality of comment is far and away the best I have read. Most are incredibly talented writers in their own right.

  259. Riddle me this Mr. Open Minded and Enlightened. I can name a hundred more failed performance measures vs. what actually promised. Call this the Dirty Dozen.

    Let’s see you put that fearless, superior and brave intellect of yours on display in shades of gray and explain why Obama deserves reelection.

    It goes for anybody else for that matter if they wish to chime in.

    I would honestly like to see anybody defend this record, and then explain to me why I’m so wrong in my conclusion of Anybody running But Obama.

    FACTS (under the Obama Administration):

    1.Every day, the U.S. government takes in $6 billion and spends $10.2 billion. Each day, each citizen of the United States inherits an addition $13.61 of debt, totaling for each citizen approx. $4,977 per year plus interest.
    2. Assuming the same number of people were seeking work today as in 2007, the reported jobless rate would be 11 percent.
    3.Every fifth man you pass on the street is now out of work, making the real unemployment rate 20+%.
    4.College graduates are now 34% less likely to find a job under Obama than they were under President George W. Bush.
    5.Every seventh person you pass on the sidewalk now relies on food stamps.
    6.Since historical records have been kept, more Americans live under the federal poverty line than at any time in U.S. history now.
    7.21% of children in America now live in poverty.
    8. Military Deaths are up almost 500% in Afghanistan under Obama’s direction.
    9. Fast and Furious
    10. Billions lost in “green” funding with zero jobs created
    11. A moratorium of offshore drilling, with the people of Louisiana polling the believe the BP spill handled more poorly than Hurricane Katrina.
    12. The promise of uniting and not dividing.

  260. And you have the gall to chastise some of us because we want to give someone else a chance?

    Oh please stop. I can’t catch my breath after the laughter. I don’t discern any damn bit of critical thinking on the part of you ABO guys. You dismiss Huntsman without knowing/understanding his record. You dismiss Paul because he wants to rob you of giving some other Arab country an ass-whupping and then you jump on board with manic Gingrich and homophobe Santorum and milquetoast Mitt.

    You’re one of the most confused non-critical members of the electorate I’ve ever encountered. But then pure Obama-hate will do that to you. It fogs the mind. 😉

  261. I’ve got some psychoanalysis of my own as I aim the microscope back toward you that doesn’t require Sigmund Freud.

    Oh no …. I see another Hannibal Lecter speech coming.

    You know what you look like to me, with your good bag and your cheap shoes? You look like a rube. A well scrubbed, hustling rube with a little taste. Good nutrition’s given you some length of bone, but you’re not more than one generation from poor white trash, are you, Agent Starling? And that accent you’ve tried so desperately to shed: pure West Virginia. What is your father, dear? Is he a coal miner? Does he stink of the lamp? You know how quickly the boys found you… all those tedious sticky fumblings in the back seats of cars… while you could only dream of getting out… getting anywhere… getting all the way to the F B I.

    😀

    You’re a kick Tex, truly you are.

  262. Trust me on this one, Rutherford, if you never trusted me on anything else.

    You wouldn’t even want me to take a real stab in psychoanalyzing your place. I don’t even have to make an educated guess…but
    I am afraid our three plus year love affair would be over with if I were to utter the dismal truth of my high powered perceptions.

    Because the day I choose to do it, I can surely guarantee the little crack of your ass will resonate with butt smoke like its never smoked before on this blog. I certainly hope after our ‘intimacy’, it doesn’t have to come to that.

    Keep that thought in the recesses of your mind as you make a personal challenge 😀

    ———

    One other thing. Did I mention you’ve now used that same, repetitious Hannibal Lecter charge towards me for the fifth time on this blog? Five times verbatim.

    Can’t you dredge up something else up to make comparison? Some other movie line? Maybe it was clever of you on the first time, the second time perhaps you forgot, but after five times my man, you’re getting as stale as Pfesser’s jokes he tells as life.

    I know off the cuff humor isn’t your thing, and rational thought flew out the window the minute the Hope and Change routine went kaput, but for crying out loud, come up with some new punch lines there. zzzz

    I notice you conveniently skipped #344

    Catch you breath after you read that dismally breathtaking performance of Zero. Because that abyss he’s sunk America into will take your breath away if considered fairly. If not now, soon. 😉

  263. Obama’s traveling show encounters an unexpected moment in Ohio.

    Obama said, “You inspire me.”

    (And you know how the members of that crowd in the most Democratic district of Ohio responded to that campaigning Democratic president’s professed sincerity this time?)

    They laughed at him.

    “Okay,” Obama insisted, “you do.”

    And the president, like a pro pol, continued with his speech, as if nothing had happened.

    ———

    Even some libs are catching on the man is an utter phony. His wife is worse…she’s a bitch and a phony. At least Bozo has a nice smile.

  264. Regarding recess appointments. Tough sh*t on rye motherf*ckers! Congressional foot dragging to prevent any progress by Obama needs a good b*tchslap. I hope he recess-appoints Bill Ayers to something next just to burn your asses.

    1. This was blatant disrespect for the concept of separation of powers, and the “Constitutional-Scholar-In -Chief” recognized that with his statement that he issued.

    2. “Not in Session” and “At Recess” are not the same thing. This wasn’t a recess, as the House had not consented to an adjournment by the Senate of more than 3 days. (See Article 1, Section 5, which states :“Neither House, during the Session of Congress, shall, without the Consent of the other, adjourn for more than three days, nor to any other Place than that in which the two Houses shall be sitting.”)

    3. This was NOT an emergency, and if it had been, then the Fresh Prez of Bill Ayers could have used his authority pursuant to Article 2, Section 3 to call the Senate back into session, and dispatch his flying monkeys at MSDNC and the Grey Old Birdcage Liner to flog the line that the Senate HAS to have a vote on his nominee. (…” he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, …)

    4. Knowing WHY we have recess appointments in the first place also means knowing that this was an abuse of the priviledge anyway, but I doubt that King Putt, great scholar or not, could even articulate why it exists in the first place.

    5. “Progress” implies improvement. Just because the President wants him doesn’t mean that he is qualified, or that he’s the man for the job, and let’s face it, many of his nominees for the various positions he’s filled haven’t exactly been people with spotless records and impecable bona fides. “Different” isn’t automatically better.

    6. If the Senate republicans mount a legal challenge, I’m confident they win. They can’t afford NOT to challenge it, because next time, it will be judicial appointments, and he isn’t smart enough to take the long view on that kind of action.

    7. What the hell are you doing rooting for this? Jugears isn’t gonna be in office forever, and if this stands, it can be repeated.

  265. So you think it is up to the Executive to decide how the Legislative should operate?

    Can you cite that clause in the Constitution for us?

    I say that when government is paralyzed for whatever reason someone should give it a good swift kick in the ass. If that is the POTUS, then so be it.

    When the product stops working according to the instruction manual, you set the manual aside, fix the product, and pick up from there.

  266. “I say that when government is paralyzed for whatever reason someone should give it a good swift kick in the ass. If that is the POTUS, then so be it.

    When the product stops working according to the instruction manual, you set the manual aside, fix the product, and pick up from there.”

    The problem with this is that they speak to 2 different things.

    “The government” is not paralyzed, first of all. But lets go ahead and grant you that it is.

    But to say it has stopped working as intended is wrong. It is working EXACTLY as was intended. Why do you think the powers were separated?

    You know this is wrong and goes against the rules. Obama knows it, too. He wants to pick a fight to energize his base and from the looks of your virtual erection in #319, it looks like you’ve downed another pitcher of Kool-Aide.

  267. I know off the cuff humor isn’t your thing, and rational thought flew out the window the minute the Hope and Change routine went kaput, but for crying out loud, come up with some new punch lines there. zzzz

    You can be the sorest sport known to man. I’m well aware I’ve repeated it. I repeat it for two reasons. First, there are some newbies here who haven’t read it. Second … it is so damn true. I’m telling you, go back and read one of your Lecter diatribes in Anthony Hopkins accent and tell me it ain’t true. Maybe one other reason I keep repeating the “joke” is in the hope you’ll get the hint that these personality dissections you do, absent any true knowledge of your subject, make you sound either plain mean or slightly demented, both adjectives that described Lecter to a tee. (Then again you probably find the comparison flattering considering how well Lecter read his subjects.)

    I swear there are days I wouldn’t be surprised to find out you ate Poolman’s liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti. 😕

    Cheer up Tex … this is your year after all. Obama will get his humiliation in November and Super-GOP-Man will replace him next January and restore our country to goodness over night.

  268. The precedences that Obama is setting are dangerous, Rutherford. You’ll agree when it is a Republican president sending us to war and making appointments without bothering with congress.

    Even Bush never did these things in the fashion we are seeing now.

  269. Once again, regarding the recess appointment … from my understanding the Senate was in session a solid 30 seconds. Not 30 minutes … 30 seconds.

    Look, this assh*le congress allowed the consumer agency to be created and then robbed it of its leader so something could actually get done. The time for game playing is over.

    The only thing I’m sorry about is that Obama didn’t say “yeah I appointed him and if you don’t like it … IMPEACH ME. Make my f*ckin’ day!”

  270. I suppose I am probably wasting my time talking about Federalist Paper #10 and how it describes the Senate’s main purpose is to slow things down.

    Obama has his lemmings convinced our wonderful system is broken and that only He, the Miracle Worker, can fix it.

  271. Slowing things down is not the same as grinding things to a halt. Our founding fathers would be ashamed of our current Congress. They would be among the current 91% who disapprove of them.

  272. “Slowing things down is not the same as grinding things to a halt. Our founding fathers would be ashamed of our current Congress. They would be among the current 91% who disapprove of them.”

    My god man, you are growing more foolish.

    Who cares what the collective thinks of Congress? Congressmen and Senators aren’t out to please America. They are out to please the people they represent. When those people don’t think their representatives are doing their job, they vote them out. When they like the job they are doing, they send them back.

    It’s not up to King Obama to decide when congress is and isn’t doing its job. That’s not how the system works.

  273. It’s kind of funny that Rutherford is infuriated with “congressional footdragging” yet we never heard a peep over the 1000 days that Senate democrats have gone without passing a budget.

    You know all of those stop-gap bills we’ve had to fight over to avoid shutdowns, Rutherford? All of the “OH NO, THE TROOPS AND GRANNY WON’T GET PAID!!!” shit we’ve had to hear?

    That’s the result of that congressional footdragging you and Barry hate so much.

  274. R, it has been the Senate- a Democratically controlled Senate- that has not done anything. Not just since 2010, but there were some 372 House bills waiting Senate action BEFORE the mid-term elections.

    Huck raises an excelent point. It has been Dems who have refused to pass a budget, specifically because they don’t want to show just how larget the deficit is. 1000 days. Where is your outrage at that? It is a Constitutionally mandated requirement for Congress to pass a budget. The House has passed a budget, the Senate hasn’t, not for a long time.

  275. “Our founding fathers would be ashamed of our current Congress. They would be among the current 91% who disapprove of them.”

    Fuck. They would be pissed off and ashamed of this dickhead you put in office.

    R, your take on the recess appointments is stoooopid! It’s also the product of having learned “government” from MSNBC rather than paying attention in class. To be unconcerned out of blind allegiance to Dear Leader is laugh out loud.

    Thank God we got those NLRB appointments in. Back to the golf course, right?

  276. Gorilla, reading R’s dumb shit and watching that pussy Carney at a press conference gave me a total flashback to Hitchens lifting the finger to Maher’s audience (e.g. “calling George Bush stupid is the joke for stupid people”).

    Here, watching Carney and Rutherford made me think, calling Obama tough on these appointments is a pussy’s version of playing hard ball.

    I love that R talks about critical thinking then talks about Founding Fathers hating Congress as a response to the executive’s circumvention of the constitutional separation of powers. They would seethe at Obama’s actions.

    “Yeah, impeach me. . . bring it.” A battle cry for pussies!

  277. Due to the climate of political correctness now pervading America,

    Kentuckians, Tennesseans and West Virginians will no longer be referred to as
    ‘HILLBILLIES.’
    You must now refer to them as
    APPALACHIAN-AMERICANS.
    And furthermore,

    HOW TO SPEAK ABOUT WOMENAND BE POLITICALLY CORRECT:

    1. She is not a ‘BABE’ or a ‘CHICK’ – She is a
    BREASTED AMERICAN. ‘
    2. She is not ‘EASY’ – She is

    ‘HORIZONTALLY ACCESSIBLE.’

    3. She is not a ‘DUMB BLONDE’ – She is a

    ‘LIGHT-HAIRED DETOUR OFF THE INFORMATION SUPERHIGHWAY.’

    4. She has not ‘BEEN AROUND’ – She is a

    ‘PREVIOUSLY-ENJOYED COMPANION.’

    5. She does not ‘NAG’ you – She becomes

    ‘ VERBALLY REPETITIVE.’

    6. She is not a ‘TWO-BIT HOOKER’ – She is a

    ‘ LOW COST PROVIDER.’

    HOW TO SPEAK ABOUT MEN AND BE POLITICALLY CORRECT:

    1. He does not have a ‘BEER GUT’ – He has developed a
    ‘LIQUID GRAIN STORAGE FACILITY.’

    2. He is not a ‘BAD DANCER’ – He is

    ‘ OVERLY CAUCASIAN.’

    3.. He does not ‘GET LOST ALL THE TIME’ – He
    ‘ INVESTIGATES ALTERNATIVE DESTINATIONS.’

    4. He is not ‘BALDING’ – He is in
    ‘FOLLICLE REGRESSION.’

    5. He does not act like a ‘TOTAL ASS’ – He develops a case of
    RECTAL-CRANIAL INVERSION.’

    6. It’s not his ‘CRACK’ you see hanging out of his pants – It’s
    ‘TROUSER CLEAVAGE.’

  278. I’m telling you, go back and read one of your Lecter diatribes in Anthony Hopkins accent and tell me it ain’t true. Maybe one other reason I keep repeating the “joke” is in the hope you’ll get the hint that these personality dissections you do, absent any true knowledge of your subject, make you sound either plain mean or slightly demented, both adjectives that described Lecter to a tee.

    Hey “R”. The law of the jungle. Pfesser is one of the most vile pricks on the planet, explaining why he’s employed full-time and still here all the time. He’s an asshole that nobody at the office likes and avoids.

    From his personal remorseless traits, to his militant atheism, to his claims of marksmanship (snicker), to his utter lies about numerous sexual conquests of women. The clown is clearly a dink, a coward and a blowhard. This is the type of goon the troops frag. Get the picture?

    When Pussy Galore wants to make it personal, I’m forced to ramp it up a bit. You would do the same. If you’re going to chastise me, then stop applying the double standard and make everyone play by the same playground rules. And get some new lines.

  279. Damn skippy Tex.

    I heard Levin go on a rant (XM in the car). He was dead on.

    “Because the Congress won’t do what I want them to do I’m gonna do it myself” is the bombastic language of a dictator.

    And R applauds it — even suggests that the Founding Fathers would endorse it.

    RECTAL-CRANIAL INVERSION. R, your stance on this is truly Pitiful and speaks volumes about your lack of critical thinking when it comes Obama.

    This will backfire on Obama. And since R thinks it’s great and ballsy, it’s guaranteed to backfire.

    Thanks fort making waste our time in the courts Obama. Delay and expense. Not a peep about your democratic Senate.

    Real tough.

    So, why no singing the praises of OWS these days Rutherford?

    (kidding: the news cycle ended when it denounced the dems).

  280. He’s black. Our founding fathers would have sent him out in the field to pick cotton. And that’s after they gave him 40 lashes for being an uppity Negro.

  281. And R applauds it — even suggests that the Founding Fathers would endorse it.

    Well, he only bases that on his extraordinary understanding and command of who they were and the blueprint they created…which is exactly why he can tell us why there is a recess appointment power to begin with, right R?

    ET, I was looking at my Corwin and Peltason last night on this, and ended up spending a half hour reading United States v. Woodley as a result. Peltason also had an interestting explaination why Congress is almost always in session now. Of course, I have the 12th edition which is more than 20 years old now, so it left me wondering if that explanation is still true.

    He’s black. Our founding fathers would have sent him out in the field to pick cotton. And that’s after they gave him 40 lashes for being an uppity Negro.

    You are so right…and I’m sure guys like John Adams and Elias Boudinot would have been at the forefront of that, ignoramus.

  282. BIC, I’m sure you familiar with the term self-loathing Jew?

    Well, meet Poolman. The self-loathing, Jew hating ‘christian’ – small ‘c’, in love with the self-loathing Jews. It’s a messed up world we live.

    I’m afraid I must learn to tolerate it, instead of acting on my more animalistic, evolutionary impulses.

  283. “Excuse me! Back when the discussion arose, you and Tex were downplaying the amount of radiation that one could be exposed to. Now months later when the actual reports are finally coming out you state this is “not stuff to trifle with””

    Cites, please. Thank you.

    Once again. Did you not say your husband is a radiologist?

    The problem in dealing with laymen concerning radiation is that everybody wants a simple explanation and they do not exist.

    Radiation emanating from nuclear fissionable material is a very different animal from getting a few dental or medical x-rays. It comes in various flavors, from alpha to gamma to neutrons, and each has its own dangers.

    Pull our your high school physics book, review, and get back to me.

    p.s. Thai sewer-water has some very interesting parasites as well. This girl needs to get over her desire to save the world or the world’s dangers will do it for her.

    Again, cites, please…

  284. Rutherford –

    We were talking yesterday about fear and the rigid moralistic mindset. You have commented several times about how the “everything is black or white” puts everyone in two camps; the anointed or the damned. I’ve thought about that a lot, and the waste…

    As luck would have it, I was reading some Sowell this morning and he talks about this very thing:

    “Unbending moral standards may dichotomize the human race in such a way that virtually everyone is lumped together as sinners, losing all moral distinction between honorable, imperfect people and unprincipled perpetrators of moral horrors. In the early days of the Civil War, some leading abolitionists condemned Abraham Lincoln as being no better than a slaveholder, and no more a defender of the Union than Jefferson Davis. Their twentieth-century counterparts have morally lumped together the wrongs in democratic countries with mass murder and terror under totalitarianism.”

    That’s why they are angry all the time. If you don’t hew to their ideals of moral purity, you are the enemy. The idea of the “loyal opposition” is anathema; thinking for yourself is prohibited.

    Entertaining, but hardly productive.

  285. Wild Bill Hickok, just yesterday you were celebrating Raji’s clairvoyance.

    And now that she busts you? Reactionary patronizing and petulance. Now isn’t that damn shame you have chosen to not practice what you’ve been preaching? You are consistently inconsistent. Maybe it’s just juvenile fear, or a stab at sexual conquest. 😯

    I won’t bother to retrieve your previous response to Raji, but only to confirm for her, you did indeed plaster your notes from physics class in your response to her some a few threads back, and you are indeed wholly inconsistent in your current response vis a vis the previous response in both message and tone.

  286. That’s why they are angry all the time. If you don’t hew to their ideals of moral purity, you are the enemy. The idea of the “loyal opposition” is anathema; thinking for yourself is prohibited.

    As opposed to “champions of tolerance” such as yourself, who when unable to discuss in any cogent fashion the reasons for that moral standard, find no viciousness too intolerant or angry when instead of answering, choosing to smear and mischaracterize as with your dutiful repetition of Dan Savage’s oh-so-clever definition in 378.

    Good job. Here’s your cookie, parrot.

  287. When those people don’t think their representatives are doing their job, they vote them out. When they like the job they are doing, they send them back.

    You just struck upon the biggest paradox in current politics. 91% of those polled say Congress sucks yet most like THEIR congress critter. Doesn’t compute, does it?

    Probably the difference between satisfaction with the pork brought home by the rep vs how the body functions as a whole.

    You already know this but Obama has made fewer recess appointments at this point in his term than preceding Presidents have made in theirs.

    The Senate can avoid this in the future by voting down Obama’s nominees, not just dragging their feet.

  288. Huntsman said he wants to be the “Jesus candidate”? WTF? I’ll need to see that in context. On its face, troubling. But like I said, all depends on context.

  289. Correction Huck … I believe I have acknowledged in the comments section at one point or another that not having a budget is f*cked up.

    If I haven’t … then I’m saying it now. It’s f*cked up and there is no excuse for it.

  290. I have often noted here, is an implicit assumption of many of our “modern academics” and resident “scholars”, a particular logical fallacy: The book is old, therefore it is untrue.

    So those of us who believe in God are now told what to believe by atheists, and it follows that the billions of believers throughout the world are under a greater delusion than the minority of atheists. Heaven only knows what has allowed these atheists “to evolve” to such status while still unable to pass this Darwinian unspecified “god” gene on to their progeny – hence William J. Murray, Christian pastor and son of former atheist Madalyn Murray O’Hair.

    The epistemology made on behalf of arguments on this site by atheists is to continually trumpet the worship of empiricism and the scientific method – always over intuition.

    While useful tools, both empiricism and the scientific method are often are incapable of even being applied to the decisions at hand. I find far more often, their misapplication in practice and argument, and no more legitimate than other routes to knowledge – especially concerning the discernment of truth.

  291. When Pussy Galore wants to make it personal

    I get the feeling PF saves some of his real Tex zingers for Fat Grannies. Am I wrong? I don’t go there if I can help it.

  292. Our Founding Fathers would not impeach the current slag for President.

    They’d have him plucking chickens and kicking his ass for jacking around.

    No, sadly they’d have him shining their shoes for free or picking cotton at their plantations.

    There’s a new book by a woman I think named Elizabeth Dowling Taylor about a black man who got screwed over by Dolly Madison when she basically did not honor her husband’s wishes in his will regarding freeing the slave. There are some quotes from James Madison concerning slaves that reveal him to be quite the prick. Probably history best left swept under the rug. 😦

  293. He’s black. Our founding fathers would have sent him out in the field to pick cotton. And that’s after they gave him 40 lashes for being an uppity Negro.

    Poolman, you beat me to it.

  294. Pfesser, you know this may come as a shock but I watched Santorum do his polygamy dance and I can’t really fault him for it. He’s basically arguing the “slippery slope” argument and he’s doing it on a much more sound basis than the “man on dog” sh*t that got him in trouble with Dan Savage and the militant gays.

    I’m for gay marriage but I’m very interested to see how Santorum threads his homophobic needle now that he is in the spotlight. So far, he’s refining the rhetoric without running away from his beliefs.

  295. “I have often noted here, is an implicit assumption of many of our “modern academics” and resident “scholars”, a particular logical fallacy: The book is old, therefore it is untrue.”

    You’re the one making the assumption.

    I don’t care if the book is true or not. I don’t want it ruling my life or my country. I have said as much on SEVERAL occasions.

    Why is that so difficult for you to understand?

    If a politician invokes religion into their politics, they will lose, or fail to gain my support. I don’t care who it is, who they are running against, or their party affiliation.

  296. You’ve got to have the correct flag pin and patriotic ribbons, and believe in the correct god to be considered presidential in this country.

    The trick is to dance to that tune without stepping on any toes or slowing down enough for people to see behind those important props.

    It’s all in the looks and the moves. Americans are pretty shallow on the whole. It’s like Helen’s recent post states regarding Perry as “all hat and no cattle”, disqualifying him from any serious consideration. Folks aren’t really looking very deep. Remember, Palin still has a tassel of faithful followers.

  297. Tex, my good man, a lie is often easier to believe than the truth particularly when the truth is hard. Did it ever occur to you atheists are in the minority for a reason? ❓

  298. Huck prove to me that what Obama did was against the rules and maybe we can talk. Unanimous consent is part of the rules. So are recess appointments.

    Let’s define recess. 😉

  299. If a politician invokes religion into their politics, they will lose, or fail to gain my support. I don’t care who it is, who they are running against, or their party affiliation.

    That leaves you with Ron Paul and (possibly) Newt Gingrich. I assume you’re staying home next November. 🙂

  300. I don’t care if the book is true or not. I don’t want it ruling my life or my country.

    I’m pretty sure I’ve mentioned this before, but you really should look into the origins and underlying philosophy of English and American common law before you say things that are this silly.

    Normally, that would mean a lot of reading, but you can cut to the chase and read the introductory portions of Blackstone’s Commentaries.

    Let’s define recess.

    Oh let’s, shall we?

    You first, and you’ll bring, um, well, whatever the White House told the gapers on MSDNC to say, and I’ll bring my sources. This will be fun.

  301. If a politician invokes religion into their politics, they will lose, or fail to gain my support. I don’t care who it is, who they are running against, or their party affiliation.

    So I guess this rules a vote for Obama out, given his “partnership” with the Almighty on trying to get the health care takeover passed, and one other occaision that comes to mind where he invoked God, right?

  302. BTW, Rutherford, since I know you’re all over the comments made last night, you’ve undoubtedly learned why it is that we have a recess appointment provision to begin with, right?

    Care to share that with the class, and then attempt to square it with what the Constitutional-Scholar-In-Chief has done when he had a legitimate, and arguably more annoying Constitutional Option available to him to get is nominations confirmed?

  303. “You just struck upon the biggest paradox in current politics. 91% of those polled say Congress sucks yet most like THEIR congress critter. Doesn’t compute, does it?”

    No. It’s a Republic.

  304. Tex, my good man, a lie is often easier to believe than the truth particularly when the truth is hard. Did it ever occur to you atheists are in the minority for a reason?

    Rutherford, given the fact that you made this statement about a group that generally refuses to even consider the hard questions, I’m not sure you’d recognize truth in spiritual matters if someone was kind enough to staple it to the back of your hand.

  305. Recess appointments? Really. They expire. He’ll be in office just a little longer than he has been stalled in congress. I hope you all were frothing just as bad when Bolton (and Bush’s 200+ other ra’s) were appointed.

    BTW Tex, I would have gone to the dance with you. We could have shot hoops. 😉

  306. R, the Constitution requires that neither house of Congress can recess for more than three days without the consent of the other house.

    The House of Representatives has not given that consent and has been holding pro forma sessions every three days, forcing the Senate to do likewise.

    When Democrats controlled the Senate in the last two years of the Bush administration, they held these pro forma sessions during recesses precisely to prevent President Bush from using the recess appointment power, which he didn’t.

    So, are you going with Obama’s declaration that the Senate’s short off-and-on legislative sessions are intended to block his appointments? ” If so they are exercising constitutional power designed to prevent the president from abusing the power to make recess appointments.

    http://www.senate.gov/CRSReports/crs-publish.cfm?pid='0DP%2BP%5CW%3B%20P%20%20

    So, please rebut. Yesterday it was “fuck you — who cares if it’s constitutional — impeach him if you want.”

    (funny how Obama wins with you no matter the argumnent).

  307. I hope you all were frothing just as bad when Bolton (and Bush’s 200+ other ra’s) were appointed.

    Not really, but considering that they took place during actual recesses, it wasn’t the affront to separation of powers that this was.

    The Oval Office isn’t the place for loose shit in these types of matters.

    He’ll be in office just a little longer than he has been stalled in congress.

    Really? Just how long has his Nomination been before the Senate (not the “Congress”).

  308. Correction to 404:

    “No. It’s a Republic” should be “yes, it does compute. This is a Republic.”

    Now R and Thor, back to schooling us with your knowledge of recess appointment. . .

  309. Tex, my good man, a lie is often easier to believe than the truth particularly when the truth is hard. Did it ever occur to you atheists are in the minority for a reason?

    Hey “R”, I’ll apologize for the length here and now. Seemed to make more sense to combine this into one since it all interrelated.

    ————

    Did it ever occur to you why there are more sane people than insane people, though I admit that gap is now quickly closing in these last days? Did it ever occur to you why I see no beauty, no love, no edification, no growth or hope in your own belief of the faith in self? Why I consider my set of beliefs so superior to your own?

    You have never taken me up on my challenge of explaining what is it that is so appealing about atheism to you? You can claim reason or logic – but by whose measure? What atheism has produced holds little tangibility – maybe some silly quotes that you can plaster. Does atheism inspire beautiful music or art? The world’s most beautiful architecture structures? Is there something I can touch and feel, visibly or audibly admire of atheism?

    What’s the real history of atheism? It would appear to me the exact same pattern time after time, as there nothing new under the sun. Let’s talk about recent history. It’s well documented from Nietzsche, came Nietzsche + nationalism, then came Nazi Germany. From Marx came socialism and the supposed end to capitalism, bringing in the age of reason and logic of….of….what? Communism?

    See Rutherford, I’m now totally convinced you’re deceived enough without the knowledge or life experience of the Christian life (which you yourself have admitted here you hold little knowledge and no interest), to determine this much:

    You hold to the opinion that my most cherished Christian beliefs are based on a wish or a whim. And that is simply not the case.

    It is not indoctrination to led me to my own conclusions, but evidence. I don’t make these decisions lightly and it should be obvious by now that I hold these ideals most dear. That rigid idealism Pfesser always charges me with is based on the premise I do believe in an absolute truth. And it is all based on the fact I believe the Bible the inspired word of God Almighty, penned by 40 men over 1,500 years in three different languages that flows like a river. There is no book like it on earth in positive influence: inspiration, civilization, law, the works. Some have tried – and the results are in. Epic failure, decline, followed by death.

    ——

    Since there is overwhelming evidence of Christ’s life from at least 15 different sources not the Bible, not all favorable to Christianity either, written only one to two generations after Christ lived, with the wisdom handed down through the generations measured against the evidential, it’s a rock solid conclusion for me and clear as day. But…

    I will admit it is a matter of faith to believe what Christ told us about heaven and hell, life and death. Though even you have difficulty condemning Christ’s Gospel message and have even admitted you would not be comfortable calling Christ a liar. But you must if you are to be honest, or you’re an intellectual fraud. It’s not enough to say “not enough evidence” because that still leads to rejection of the only choice Christ gave you. Because Christ can only be one of two things making the claims that He did. He was either a lunatic or He’s God manifested in flesh.

    If you don’t believe I am right in that summation, read it yourself. Take you about two hours.

    And note, I myself have no problem calling Mohammad a liar, a fraud and really bad copy cat of both the Torah and the New Testament.

    I would also add it is the height of man’s arrogance to determine himself qualified to define morality in his own image, his own thoughts. As I have said before, each man left to his own accord, making up the rules as he sees fit is not good government. That’s anarchy. And I believe that is exactly why all of us are now being touched in very significant and destructive ways. Our human infrastructure, the family, the united states, all crumbling before our feet. Because we have no universal, guiding truth blending us with our Constitutional Law – which also now apparently can be ignored when convenient.

    I don’t believe for a second the Constitution was written for a wholly irreligious, godless people. And certainly not after reading our own Declaration of Independence.

    Believe as you must Rutherford. But for your own sake and your child’s best interests, you need to get fully informed before casting the verdict – not sitting idly by, resting in the comfort of your intellectual laziness. And you, my friend, are not nearly informed to the point of passing judgment about the Truth.

  310. Thor,

    BTW Tex, I would have gone to the dance with you. We could have shot hoops.

    If it was anything like my senior prom, I would prefer to shoot hoops with you. A game of horse, or something. It’s been a long time – probably since I took down our basketball goal once my daughter quit playing in high school. Figure it’s like riding a bike?

    But we would have to wear ‘Zag gear and pretend I’m from WA. OSU is such an embarrassment this year on the court, I’ve moved my lucky shirt to the back patio, to be pulled at a later date.

  311. “And I’m guessing that the perception you may have made a bad bet is starting to dawn on you, being your “tone” has changed recently” – Tex

    It is always in jest. Please don’t take it any other way. The only bad bet is one you can’t afford to cover. And why should I worry? “Corporations are people my friend” And that’s the front runner of the ass clown posse. 🙂 AISB, how can you allow such a limp dick to be the tip of your spear?

  312. So I guess this rules a vote for Obama out, given his “partnership” with the Almighty

    BiW you DO realize you’re arguing with Huck who has no intention of voting for Obama.

  313. you’ve undoubtedly learned why it is that we have a recess appointment provision to begin with, right?

    And you undoubtedly can document for us that every pre-Obama President has used the recess appointment strictly in line with its intent? Considering how many more times prior Presidents have used the tactic, I doubt that.

  314. given the fact that you made this statement about a group that generally refuses to even consider the hard questions,

    I’d love some elaboration on that. One of the toughest questions is “where did we come from” and the hardest answer by far is “I don’t know”.

  315. “Just how long has his Nomination been before the Senate”

    July I believe. And that was after they did the same thing to Warren. A party flunky talking to himself for three minutes is not a session anywhere outside of your ambulance chaser circle jerks.

  316. it wasn’t the affront to separation of powers that this was.

    Oh the affront of it all …. oooohhhhhh the humanity!!!

    This is the only reason I want Obama to lose in November — so I can get a break from you drama queens who will sit silent when Ron-Newt Perry-Romney-Huntsman-Santorum does the same damn thing.

    And Tigre has the nerve to talk about pussies. 😆

  317. A party flunky talking to himself for three minutes 30 seconds is not a session anywhere outside of your ambulance chaser circle jerks.

    Just to strengthen your point, I corrected it for you. 🙂

  318. Give us the prior examples you keep referring to too.

    Too many to cite.

    I agree with learned Counsel Kathryn Ruemmler:

    “Can the Senate, through form, render a constitutional power of the executive obsolete?” Kathryn Ruemmler, Mr. Obama’s White House Counsel, said in an interview. “Our view is that the answer to that question is clearly no.”

    Since we’re talking pussies here, I have identified another one … George W. Bush who should’ve called Harry Reid’s hand on the pro forma session tactic back when Harry pulled it.

    I say Obama’s move sets an EXCELLENT precedent that will serve both Dem and GOP admins of the future!!!

  319. I now understand all the anger being generated. The GOP tried to play the same punk game as the Dem’s did under Bush and a President with balls told them “not gonna happen on my watch.”

  320. Huck, can you document Huntsman saying he wants to be the “Jesus candidate”? I’ve Googled and I can’t find it.

    What I found was a radio host telling Santorum that we don’t need a Jesus candidate, we need an economic candidate and Santorum replied “we always need a Jesus candidate”.

    He went on to clarify it doesn’t need to be Jesus specifically but that our leader MUST believe in a power higher than himself. So unless I’m missing something, your gripe is with Santorum not Huntsman … and you knew part of that already because Rick wears his religion on his sleeve big time.

  321. Rutherford and Thor, I told you both, and you’ll note I haven’t entered into the executive abuse much since Tigre and BIC eons ahead of the rest of us – but I want Obama to ram as much crap as humanly possible down our throats and be loud about it. Invoke martial law if you wish.

    Bring in the Van Jones pinkos for Czars, get the Sec. of Ed schooling our children in more Obamessiah doctrine, sing the Umm umm Umm…Obama songs ‘fer the children’, pander for that vote with free smoke and drink, bring in the union goons, and NPR/PP crowd to cast spells.

    Because I promised you come later this year, the days of making nice and “negotiating” are over with if we win. Compromise is for losers. As a citizen, I am now going to be on my own Congressmen, including Coburn and Inhofe every frickin’ day, to squeeze the living shit out of everything you treasure, and everything you get for free. You’ll potato heads will be toasted.

    Were going to pollute your rivers, smog your air, serve of plates of snail darters and snowy owls for dinner, wade into you, spill your guts to grease our skids, gut the forests, piss in the rivers, and burn our coal in your ovens.

    Well, maybe not the last paragraph – but you get the idea. 😀

    Just DO IT!

  322. Mick just ripped Odie’s head off and left a big ball of cotton with what’s left.

    Killer Dog! grrrrrrr….

    I didn’t know he had it in him. That was pretty impressive for a pup. Good thing he’s a real puss.

  323. “Can the Senate, through form, render a constitutional power of the executive obsolete?”

    The answer, as phrased, is yes.

    But the right question R is:

    Can the executive, through form, render a “limitation” on his constitutional power obsolete?

  324. Tex, thats’ why I didn’t lump you in with them. Looks like you’ve switched from H.L. to the George C. Scott version of Patton. 😉 I’ll answer your 344 on the next thread. This is taking to long for a “big one”.

  325. You caught my George C. Scott, did you? 😆 Yeah, if my dog had been bathing me, I would have laughed out loud typing that.

    George C. Scott was an absolutely fabulous actor. Hollywood screwed up when they dissed him. I watched Patton again the other night, and that is still a fabulous movie – 43 years old now.

  326. ET- Until you run down Penn. Ave. naked, screaming “Corporations are not people, money is not free speech and Mar. vs. Mad. was a SCOUS power grab”, I’ll consider your “constitutional purity” as nothing more than partisan, esoteric bullshit. Downgrade away.

  327. “I won’t bother to retrieve your previous response to Raji, but only to confirm for her, you did indeed plaster your notes from physics class in your response to her some a few threads back, and you are indeed wholly inconsistent”

    That’s about what I thought.

    Dismissed. Next.

  328. “I’m for gay marriage but I’m very interested to see how Santorum threads his homophobic needle now that he is in the spotlight. So far, he’s refining the rhetoric without running away from his beliefs.”

    You know much about this guy? Take a little time to google up his bio and his political history. He is precisely the kind of rigid religious nut who scares hell out of me and SHOULD, as a minority member, scare the hell out of you. This is the guy who slept with his dead baby and told his kids he was an “angel now.” (I don’t remember the exact quote, somebody correct that if you wish.)

    No, it looks at this time like it’s Romney or Obama. Obama is loosing all the hounds of window dressing to rev up the stock market. I’ll ride it until the election; I bought Apple at 40, now it’s 420. If it hits 800, I’m retiring. There are hundreds of bicycle trails I haven’t scratched the surface on yet.

  329. “Oh, where are the examples (too many to recite) of pro forma appointments?”

    There aren’t any.

    To my knowledge, Harry Reid started pro forma sessions in 2008 to block Bush from making recess appointments. Bush, unlike King Obama, respected the constitution, and did not make any appointments during that time.

    “George C. Scott was an absolutely fabulous actor. Hollywood screwed up when they dissed him. I watched Patton again the other night, and that is still a fabulous movie – 43 years old now.”

    Yes, what an amazing movie and performance. I think I am most impressed with how young Scott actually was when he played that part. They made him look like an old man, and damned if he didn’t grow to look exactly like that.

  330. “You have never taken me up on my challenge of explaining what is it that is so appealing about atheism to you?”

    It’s for adults. It does not believe fairy tales just because they make one feel good.

    “You can claim reason or logic – but by whose measure?”

    By mine.

    “What atheism has produced holds little tangibility – maybe some silly quotes that you can plaster.”

    How about the unvarnished truth.

    “Does atheism inspire beautiful music or art? The world’s most beautiful architecture structures? Is there something I can touch and feel, visibly or audibly admire of atheism?”

    Why do you need to do that? Tens of thousands of beautiful buildings have come from civilizations who believe in other gods – or no god. I am particularly enamored of faerie drawings – clearly beautiful – but I’m not silly enough to think they are real.

    “What’s the real history of atheism? It would appear to me the exact same pattern time after time, as there nothing new under the sun. Let’s talk about recent history. It’s well documented from Nietzsche, came Nietzsche + nationalism, then came Nazi Germany. From Marx came socialism and the supposed end to capitalism, bringing in the age of reason and logic of….of….what? Communism?”

    Jesus that’s a thin string holding all that nonsense together! I like this one: Hitler was raised a Catholic; most Germans are/were Catholic. Catholics have a history of murder and torture…you see where this is going. Just give a story and anyone can make up a train of events. Kind of like religion itself…start with the answer and make the story up that explains it.

    “You hold to the opinion that my most cherished Christian beliefs are based on a wish or a whim. And that is simply not the case.”

    You are right. They are based on credulity and indoctrination of the young with fairy tales, purported by responsible adults as true. Think of it as child abuse.

    “It is not indoctrination to led me to my own conclusions, but evidence.”

    Did you really say that? I am speechless…

    -snip – “And it is all based on the fact I believe the Bible the inspired word of God Almighty”

    It is a book of Jewish Fables, like the Koran is a book of fables, like the Gita, like the…you need to put your thinking cap on for a minute. All these books say all the others are false, but you are convince yours are right…

    “penned by 40 men over 1,500 years in three different languages that flows like a river. There is no book like it on earth in positive influence: inspiration, civilization, law, the works. Some have tried – and the results are in. Epic failure, decline, followed by death.”

    I’m sorry, man. If there were ever an example of hysterical raving, this is it…

    ——

    “Since there is overwhelming evidence of Christ’s life from at least 15 different sources not the Bible,”

    I think it is pretty well established this guy lived. I don’t think there is any evidence that he claimed divinity; it was all manufactured after his death by unscrupulous priests as a good way to consolidate power and profit based on man’s superstitious nature. Boy has it worked!
    “It’s not enough to say “not enough evidence” because that still leads to rejection of the only choice Christ gave you.”

    He didn’t give us any choices. He was dead long before we were born.

    “Because Christ can only be one of two things making the claims that He did. He was either a lunatic or He’s God manifested in flesh.”

    Lunatic. Maybe schizophrenic, or maybe just a good dude whose name got used in the world’s greatest scam after he died.

    “And note, I myself have no problem calling Mohammad a liar, a fraud and really bad copy cat of both the Torah and the New Testament.”

    This is exactly what I’m talking about, Rutherford. The rigid, unbending belief that “I am right and I don’t want to discuss it. Everybody else is wrong.” This kind of certainty is the most dangerous quantity in humanity and leads to the most horrific atrocities. It completely shuts down that little guy who sits on your shoulder and says, “Are you sure you are doing the right thing?”

    “I would also add it is the height of man’s arrogance to determine himself qualified to define morality in his own image, his own thoughts.”

    Why is that? You would prefer, perhaps, what?

    “As I have said before, each man left to his own accord, making up the rules as he sees fit is not good government. That’s anarchy.”

    Nonsense. That’s IS government. OUR government was set up that way, and with gods SPECIFICALLY left out of the mix.

    “And I believe that is exactly why all of us are now being touched in very significant and destructive ways. Our human infrastructure, the family, the united states, all crumbling before our feet. Because we have no universal, guiding truth blending us with our Constitutional Law –”

    It worked OK for over 200 years. Maybe the problem is not that we left our gods, it’s that we left our Constitution. Just a thought…

    “I don’t believe for a second the Constitution was written for a wholly irreligious, godless people.”

    Another straw man. Nobody has ever said it was. It was written by men who had various beliefs, but agreed on ONE thing: religion and government do NOT mix.

    “… not sitting idly by, resting in the comfort of your intellectual laziness. And you, my friend, are not nearly informed to the point of passing judgment about the Truth.”

    Intellectual laziness is being too lazy to use that brain your god gave you to ferret out the truth from under a pile of lies, written many years ago by desert bedouins for their own selfish purposes.

  331. Muffy, you’re not going to get balance from Pusser. If dink is going to go not on a man’s capabilities, but his religious persuasion, dink ought to be pushing for Barney Frank, Bernie Sanders, or Pete Stark – three really redeeming characters of the militant atheist mold.

    Ignore him. He’s a lout and an obvious reprehensible human being. He’ll be dead soon enough.

  332. Hey Pusser,

    Here’s the only thing we know for sure without debate that our Founding Father’s agreed in whole with respect to religion. See if you wrap your thick head around these, because neither one of them jive with you.

    (1) Endowed by OUR CREATOR – the antithesis of you dink.

    (2) Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

    So who am I going to side with. Jesus and Our Founding Father’s? Or some irrelevant drunk and brow beater of women living out his last miserable days?

  333. I find this whole thing with Santorum’s child up there with the BS with Palin’s child.

    Unless he is talking about enacting executive policies that force people to cuddle with their dead children, its nobody’s business how his family grieves.

  334. Well at least Pusser, you’ve got the balls to call Jesus a liar and a scam. I like that in a militant atheist – go all the way in your personal cesspool.

    First balls you’ve shown since you hit this board, Bill Hickok.

    Oh, and buy the way, show me all those beautiful buildings built in the name of atheism, will you?

  335. Muffy, have you seen this if you want a real picture of true liberalism? Somebody of Pfesser’s caliber that Rutherford takes his cue from?

    I’ll assume you know the insufferable Eugene Robinson of MSNBC fame? It’s about the only guest they can book with regularity.

    Much like Rutherford makes sport of a Down’s baby, Eugene likes to make fun of dead ones.

    http://patterico.com/2012/01/05/in-mocking-santorum-eugene-robinson-reveals-a-sickness-in-our-society/

    Real class, hey?

  336. “Oh, and buy the way, show me all those beautiful buildings built in the name of atheism, will you?”

    This is fucking stupid, Tex.

    You think someone is going to make a building and say “I dedicate this building in the name of ATHEISM!!!!” The first thing that would happen is someone like you would come and burn it down.

    You act like people who don’t believe in god walk around all day saying to themselves “there is no god, there is no god, there is no god” and that that sentiment rules every facet of their existence.

    Give us all a friggen break, already.

  337. I don’t have a problem with Santorum family taking their dead baby home to say goodbye before burying him. It is not something I think I would do, but they can do whatever helps them to get past that event. Besides it was many years ago.

    I did find something a bit disturbing (to me) from that article, muff. The psychiatrist interviewed had a similar experience and the mom was photographed with their dead baby. The part that was weird and since he was Jewish…

    The body was then circumcised and buried after a Jewish service.

    I guess I never thought about that before. 😯 I guess they don’t wait around eight days.

  338. This is fucking stupid, Tex.

    You think someone is going to make a building and say “I dedicate this building in the name of ATHEISM!!!!” The first thing that would happen is someone like you would come and burn it down.

    Well come on scholar. I can show you thousands of buildings dedicated to the name of Christ. Have you ever once heard of the Sistine Chapel? Where’s your atheistically inspired art? Your music? What thing of beauty has atheism given us? Socialism, Communism, Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot. Great work, atheists.

    That’s the problem with atheism, Huck. It’s just like you – nothing inspiring, nothing of beauty, nothing edifying.

    You act like people who don’t believe in god walk around all day saying to themselves “there is no god, there is no god, there is no god” and that that sentiment rules every facet of their existence.

    That is exactly what Pfesser does on this board in virtually every comment. You’re hostility is not two steps behind them, Huck. Militant atheists. That is exactly what I think. Bingo. You finally got something right. And you really, really have to work at it.

    And as far as burning buildings, sport. 80% of this nation considers themselves Christian. When is the last time you feared for your life in the name of Christianity? You’re so intellectually dishonest, it’s pathetic.

  339. Numbnutz, read the opinion, tell me which portions you disagree with, then we can discuss it. What you’ve said proves your ignorance and there’s nowhere to downgrade you after anaerobic organism other than PF and he’s laid claim to the title.

    Man up and read. Even R took a swipe at it and said the decision was right from his perspective.

  340. Just can’t get into politics anymore, boys.

    We already hit the icy patch on the Rubicon, if you ask me. It’s all too late. You are watching it unfold in front of your very eyes.

    Two generations from now, I predict there will be a revolution. There is no way those future motherfuckers will agree to take on this bill. it will be an astronomical yoke. 1/3 of this country will rebel. That’s plenty.

    The next great question since slavery will be answered: How to temper a democracy’s lust for appeasing the masses with money it doesn’t have. Greeks warned us. We didn’t listen.

    Jefferson was right about at least two things. He recognized a piece of ass built for fucken’ and that we need a revolution every couple hundy or so.

    I’m upbeat about my little teleology. We’re going to one day get it right.
    ____________________________________________________
    325 on the bench after 14 reps 225.

    My goal is to run 6 miles a day outside by the time my second little man is born. I’m not even over a mile yet. I’m pathetic. Smart phone apps make running kind of cool. You can mindlessly take off in any direction you want and have your miles/time tracked.

  341. Numbnutz, you’ve been downgraded to PF. That’s the dumbest thing I’ve seen written in quite some time.

    Why don’t you refute what I said? Are you that incapable of reading or even locating the provisions you refer to as my “constitutional purity?”

    So far you’ve said nothing. The constitutional purist (whatever the fuck that means — like there’s an impurist?) awaits. . .

  342. “You act like people who don’t believe in god walk around all day saying to themselves “there is no god, there is no god, there is no god” and that that sentiment rules every facet of their existence.” Hucking

    Come to think of it, I’ve never met an atheist that doesn’t do that. Even I do it when I’m in one of my atheist phases! 🙂

    Atheists LOVE talking about God.

  343. And you undoubtedly can document for us that every pre-Obama President has used the recess appointment strictly in line with its intent? Considering how many more times prior Presidents have used the tactic, I doubt that.

    You mean like when Congress is actually in recess?

    All of them.

    (Also more that one occaision of a President calling a special session of the Senate to confirm or deny the President’s nominees.)

    However, as a devoted Dem, you are aware that the Dems have used all manner of tactic to ensure that Conservative judicial nominees never get a confirmation vote for decades, and have done so in ways far more repulsive than the “pro forma” session you’re bitching about. In addition, they have also engaged in the “pro forma” sessions to prevent pocket vetos since the 80’s. You really don’t have any cover for President Downgrade deciding for himself that this was Constitutional….you also need to keep it zipped if generic republican does the same thing in the next four years or beyond.

    Now again, why is it we have recess appointments at all, Rutherford?

  344. I’d love some elaboration on that. One of the toughest questions is “where did we come from” and the hardest answer by far is “I don’t know”.

    Ask Richard Dawkins. You’ll find him in a dark corner, huddled up in a ball, rocking back and forth repeating “It looks like intelligent design, but it isn’t. It looks like intelligent design, but it isn’t. It looks like intelligent design, but it isn’t. It looks….”

  345. I’m not even sure it’s shooting gnats – gnats are a nuisance.

    Those that aid and abet an enemy like Islam, making the moral equivalency that killed 3,000 innocents to 80% of the nation that provides aid to millions around the world – including Islam? Not any different mentality that making sport of dead children. These are people are sick lunatics.

    Stomping diseased cockroaches more like.

  346. I find this whole thing with Santorum’s child up there with the BS with Palin’s child.

    Huck you’re partly right and partly wrong. First, it’s nobody’s business. You’re right there. However you do insult to Santorum by comparing him to Palin. Santorum told a difficult truth to the public about how he handled his son’s death. (By the way, I did not know the son’s funeral was held at home … that makes bringing the corpse home a bit less strange than I had originally been lead to believe.)

    Palin lied about the circumstances of her child’s birth. I don’t claim to know HOW she lied. I just know she lied. I can’t say she was never pregnant (although I personally don’t believe she was) but I do know something does NOT compute in her story.

    Santorum told the truth about something that is none of our business. Palin lied about something that is none of our business. Palin would have been better off telling the truth or keeping her mouth shut.

  347. Well at least Pusser, you’ve got the balls to call Jesus a liar and a scam.

    FWIW, I think Pfesser claimed Jesus was lied about after his death. I inferred from PF’s comment that he finds it less likely that Jesus was a liar and more likely that those who told “his story” were the liars.

    But Tex … I do want to sincerely correct PF on one thing. He accused you of believing what you want to believe and refusing to discuss it. That is blatantly false. I know you think your words go in my left ear and drip out the right but I do notice … and give you credit … that you take the time to discuss your beliefs and sometimes in a very brotherly way.

    PF mischaracterized you on that IMHO.

  348. Eugene Robinson was on Morning Joe this morning and apologized for his choice of words, in particular “weird”.

    While we can all agree that this is none of our business (as I said to Huck earlier) can we not also agree the parents taking their dead child home themselves prior to the funeral and not leaving the handling of the child to the mortuary to bring to the home for the funeral is unusual?

    It was the way they gained closure. More power to them. But by speaking (or in the case of the wife, writing) about it openly they invite some curiosity about their unusual choice.

    It has NOTHING to do with politics and the topic should be dropped.

  349. Where’s your atheistically inspired art?

    What’s religious about the work of Picasso, Georgia O’Keefe or the Beatles?

    Huck’s right. It’s your weakest argument Tex …very lame indeed.

  350. making the moral equivalency that killed 3,000 innocents

    Oh save it. Most of the dudes that killed those 3000 people were from the country whose cock we suck for oil ad nauseum.

    When we get an energy plan worth a damn and get the hell out of those barbaric societies … and THEN we get attacked, we can at least say we weren’t in bed with them in the first place. It’s a lot harder to get your balls cut off if you’re not sleeping with the enemy.

    You hate Ron Paul because a lot of what he says is true. Did we deserve 9/11? Hell no! Did we contribute to it happening with our foreign policy? Hell yes.

  351. If Warren wanted to be squeaky clean, she’d refuse DSCC money … but then I’m not sure that’s even the way this stuff works. Does DSCC give her the money or do they use it themselves on her behalf? Is she supposed to say, as a Dem, “I condemn DSCC’s support.”???

  352. I actually addressed Gene and Alan’s unguarded moments in a post at the Hostages tonight.

    By “post” do you mean a comment or an actual article? If it was an article I wish you’d posted it to your own blog. I hate going to the Hostages almost as much as going to Fat Grannies. 😦

  353. Tex, I just read your rant over at BiW’s. Read my response and take my advice. You’re heading for, what do they call it, a myocardial infarction? Gene Robinson and Alan Colmes are not worth it dude.

  354. “While we can all agree that this is none of our business (as I said to Huck earlier) can we not also agree the parents taking their dead child home themselves prior to the funeral and not leaving the handling of the child to the mortuary to bring to the home for the funeral is unusual?”

    No. Robinson and Colmes are typical of the left. They should be mocked and ridiculed.

    You should quit trying to defend them.

    This is all about politics.

    You can go back to mocking Palin’s retarded son and we’ll calls em likes we sees ’em.

  355. Those that aid and abet an enemy like Islam, making the moral equivalency that killed 3,000 innocents to 80% of the nation that provides aid to millions around the world – including Islam?

    I’m getting to a point where I need an interpreter for some of these Tex rants. 😐

    Going out on a limb here…

    I think this is a stab at calling all Muslims self-perpetuating terrorists and blaming them for our 9/11 event. I think this the gist of the twisted notion baked in that Okie noodle.

    You would think if Islam is an enemy (of whatever), the proof of that would be found somewhere. Maybe in the Qu’ran? You’d think maybe even the prophets of the Bible would have clued us in, seeing as they did clue us in regarding Judaism. But no. It’s not in there.

    But then neither are warnings about communists or socialists. It takes some serious twisting of the text to squeeze anything resembling that out of it. Like defending the modern secular nation of Israel. It isn’t in there. Period.

    But back to the statement of “3,000 innocents”. I suppose they were innocent because they were victims. Is that the logic?

    Now how many innocent Muslims have been killed in our supposed retaliation for this 9/11 event? A million or more? Much more than 3,000 and representing more religions than just strictly Islam. And it’s still going on over 10 years later.

    More children have been killed and maimed, for sure, and would be considered (in my mind) closer to “innocent” than adults. They were killed in their homes and fields and villages – the places where they live and should be the most secure. Sometimes they were abused and tortured before being killed. The lasting damage is showing up in birth deformities, guaranteeing “revenge” for generations. 👿

    I’ll conclude that one must go outside the faith to believe these things. It isn’t biblical and hasn’t yet been proved by human detection. In other words, it’s superstition. Leprechauns and pixies, unicorns and jackalopes, Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny “reality”.

    Repent, or we’re fuct. “Christian nation”, my ass.

  356. You’d think maybe even the prophets of the Bible would have clued us in, seeing as they did clue us in regarding Judaism. But no. It’s not in there.

    You realize that Islam is post Christian prophet history?

    “Muslim outrage” over the operations in Iraq and Afghanistan is actually something that can be safely discounted deeply.

  357. You realize that Islam is post Christian prophet history?

    Yes. The biblical prophets “prophesy” about future events. Some have already occurred and some are yet to be fulfilled. We get the a notion of a coming one world government from them. We also are warned of many of the things we are living through today.

    But no Islamic threat. PLENTY of Judaic threat warnings. Just sayin…

  358. “Muslim outrage” over the operations in Iraq and Afghanistan is actually something that can be safely discounted deeply.

    Okay, I thought I could let this part go, but it is so wrong on multiple levels.

    First of all, the “operations” (sounds so clinical) are carpet bombings and aggressive destruction of infrastructure and land, housing and communities along with annihilation of those living within them. These aggressive attacks were begun based on lies and cooked intel, and were planned well in advance of our attack on 9/11.

    Second, we have been fucking with these countries for decades. For ten years leading up to 9/11, our imposed sanctions and aggression in Iraq caused the death of hundreds of thousands.

    Third, our meddling in Afghanistan since the cold war left many trained fighters and weapons that quickly were turned against us when they realized our intentions were no more noble than that of the Russians. Imperialists of any flavor are deemed distasteful.

    But the “Muslim outrage” is somehow not justifiable or can be “safely discounted”? How about from a humanity standpoint? Genocide is still on the books as crime, I believe. Of course, I guess it depends on who owns the court. 👿

  359. Eugene Robinson was on Morning Joe this morning and apologized for his choice of words, in particular “weird”.

    Of course, he said it after Colmes made his “clever” comment, got owned for it, and apologized, all of which was very public, leaving reasonable people wondering why he chose to “go there”. Just kidding, we know why he went there. Because like Colmes, and the audience that both speak to, there was nothing wrong with saying what they said.

    While we can all agree that this is none of our business (as I said to Huck earlier) can we not also agree the parents taking their dead child home themselves prior to the funeral and not leaving the handling of the child to the mortuary to bring to the home for the funeral is unusual?

    No, not really. If you read the post, and you read the link in the post, and then read the link that RoamingFireHydrant put in the comments, which should clue you in to why you should think very hard before leaving a comment on that thread. Both will help you understand that it isn’t as “unusual” as you think.

    It was the way they gained closure. More power to them. But by speaking (or in the case of the wife, writing) about it openly they invite some curiosity about their unusual choice.

    Again, read the link that Roamy put in the thread.

    It has NOTHING to do with politics and the topic should be dropped.

    By “post” do you mean a comment or an actual article?

    A “post” is an article. A “comment” is a comment.

    If it was an article I wish you’d posted it to your own blog.

    It was posted at the Hostages for a reason. Like you, I sometimes write different content for different audiences. This wasn’t a post for my place of Nice Deb’s.

    I hate going to the Hostages almost as much as going to Fat Grannies.

    I understand why that is. But the Hostages has a ginormous number of lurkers who never comment. It might be one way to avoid any unpleasantness. I do suggest you read it, R. But this is one post where if you decide to comment, you might choose your words very, very carefully. The title is “I Don’t Think They Know What It Means…”

  360. Second, we have been fucking with these countries for decades. For ten years leading up to 9/11, our imposed sanctions and aggression in Iraq caused the death of hundreds of thousands.

    *facepalm*

    Why did we have sanctions in the first place?

    Tell you what, genius. You go ask the kurds why those sanctions, andf the no-fly zone were in place to begin with. You should also consider that the fact you can still ask the kurds has something to do with it.

  361. Ahhhh yes, the Kurds. The non Shiite/non Sunni faction.

    Who provided the helicopters that delivered the gas that came from the land of yours truly?

    Go ahead and take your regular place on the giant circle jerk.

  362. Who provided the helicopters that delivered the gas that came from the land of yours truly?

    Actually it is widely agreed that the gas attack on the Kurds was conducted via Mig25’s and a few Mirages,not helicopters. Neither of these planes come from the USA.
    The Iraqis helicopter stock btw was of French and Soviet origin.

    US “involvement” is limited to a supply of a precursor agent for mustard gas. The final product was developed by the Iraqis. The Iraqi stocks of sarin,VX and other agents all from non US entities.

  363. Our “meddling” in Afghanistan allowed them to achieve freedom from the internal and external (Soviet) aggressors.
    Regionally unprecedented lack of meddling on our behalf is what led to the the rise of the Taliban. I have NO intention of setting up the classroom yet another time on this point.

  364. So Alfie is basically saying the fault is not that we’ve been occupying Afghanistan for the past ten years but that we should have kept occupying them since the Russians left.

  365. Alfie,

    Let’s just say I consider your history knowledge incomplete and with definite bias. So if it’s “widely agreed”, I’m getting the academic and “look good to victor” version. Your “classroom” would do nothing to enlighten, rather it would likely only perpetuate the myth.

    I prefer to dig a little deeper than the public school presentation of “fact”. Fortunately there are others so inclined.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2004/06/17/how-reagan-armed-saddam-with-chemical-weapons/

  366. Well pool I have to say you are one delusional motherfucker. I also have to evoke a late New Years Resolution. You’re here…..I’m not.
    Goodbye Rutherford

  367. BiW I’ve read everything but the comment by RoamingFireHydrant (I’ll read that later when I’m off my iPhone.)

    I understand that psychologists think it a good idea for youngsters to see the body for closure. I have also read that bringing the body HOME can be traumatic for the young siblings. If Santorum brought his kids to the hospital I don’t think anyone would be batting an eye.

    I also think your extrapolation of rudeness on the part of Colmes and Robinson to some general liberal trait is ridiculous. The hearts of most people, liberal and conservative, break for the Santorum family. I cannot imagine many things more horrible than losing one’s child.

    From what I understand he has another at risk child at home.

  368. “From what I understand he has another at risk child at home.”

    Are you sure its his wife’s? Maybe that’s a lie, too. Who knows, maybe the “weird” circumstances with bringing that other one home was all to cover up something else that you can’t prove.

    Maybe you’d better wait for Andrew Sullivan to weigh in before you get too deep, Rutherford.

  369. Rutherford, I understand that you think that.

    But it is also something that I have had revealed to me on more than one occaision when people assumed I shared their views and they spoke without any filter.

    I saw the exact same thing in what Colmes did. If you haven’t yet done so, watch the footage…you get it in “full context”. He was on the verge of cracking himself up. He clearly thought he was being clever, and was genuinely suprised when Jim Gehrity made him his bitch over it. That’s why I think “rudeness” is a rather tame way to put it. There is something that is missing in the soul of someone who can know the details of what happened, and then make statements on television about how the father “likes to take dead babies home and play with them” without even a shred of hesitation and without apparent thought that maybe, even if you personally find something amusing in characterizing it that way, that maybe saying it out loud to an audience might just be letting the world know that you lack the most basic propriety, decency, and compassion. But then, he’s part of the same media that thought it wildly funny to joke about people they didn’t like getting and expiring from a dread disease, or being thrown through plate glass windows, or your favorite, Sarah Palin, being raped by a mob of black men, Whenever these people feel safe, like typing away on a journolist listserv, or speaking to crowds they believe share their opinions, they aren’t afraid to drop the pose about compassion and tolerance and say the most vile things.

    But on the one hand, I guess I’m not surprised. The consequences are minimal. Colmes still has a job. Robinson could watch the blowback, such as it was, and go right down the same road, because to them, whether or not the silly prols believe that it is appalling, they have to go there again, because we’ll never be conditioned to their way of thinking unless we hear it as many times as they can say it.

    But that’s just me being another one of those silly prols, incapable of being disabused of the notion that the “compassion” that these same people constantly advocate for gives them a great deal of political power, conditions people to give up their own independence, to the point of enslavement, and and demands that those charged with maintaining the peace and safety of society stand idly by when the most innocent are slaughtered for convenience.

  370. It won’t bring much consolation or understanding but I wish you guys could’ve watched “Morning Joe” the day after Robinson’s dumbass appearance. They had him as a guest and to say the situation was awkward put it mildly. Understand, Robinson is a favorite of this crowd and whether or not you wish to believe it, he usually comes across as a decent man. Mika Brzinsnki asked him outright “Why did you have to go there?” Her face reminded me of my mother when I screwed up. Lots of emotions balled up … disappointment, sadness, anger.

    It was the first time in recent memory I saw a liberal host sternly put a liberal guest in the dog house.

    I guess I’m just saying there are lots of libs who are not proud of the Colmes/Robinson moment.

  371. Huck you probably skipped it in this comment stream but hopefully you’ll see it this time …. could you please post a link where Huntsman said he was a “Jesus candidate”. I think you’re confusing him with Santorum. See comment 425.

  372. Robinson writes what’s pleasing to the liberal ear. Nothing more. Perfect for MSNBC.

    “I guess I’m just saying there are lots of libs who are not proud of the Colmes/Robinson moment.”

    But all libs understand how it came about and are not troubled by it.

    Can we get back to Palin now? 🙄

  373. What’s with liberals always going after people’s kids?

    BiC is correct. There is something very fundamentally wrong with someone who would make a comment like that. Disgusting human being.

    I bet the vehemently pro-choice Colmes probably doesn’t see much humanity in a new born.

  374. But all libs understand how it came about and are not troubled by it.

    Only 50% right I reckon. Most people probably understand. If Rick were your neighbor down the street, you’d probably think “that poor guy losing his kid that way but odd that he didn’t let the mortuary take care of transporting the kid to his house for the funeral.”

    The ONLY reason anyone would not be troubled by this being fodder for public discussion/ridicule is that we’ve been desensitized by the media. The media in general has become “anything goes” to sell a story or attract eyeballs.

  375. R, you’re blind.

    Why do you insist on defending this? Man up. It’s despicable.

    By “not troubled,” I meant not troubled that these fuck-wads crossed the line because they have warped morality. Like you.You guys lap this up.

    Go watch the Colmes interview. Not troubled in the least. Another smug liberal fuck.

  376. I don’t see anything wrong or strange about taking the baby home and having a funeral there. I swear I don’t. So, I don’t even get the “weird” part. In fact, for some reason, I can kind of identify.

    Funerals are for the living. In this case, the baby had no friends. Was never a part of society. So they laid him out at home, among the voices that used to sooth him while he was in the womb.

    Would I handle it the same way? I’m not really sure.

  377. Well rabbit,

    Jesse Ventura has a big mouth and doesn’t always (maybe never) exhibit the necessary tact required in dealing with some people in some situations.

    This described incident seems to be one of those golden moments, and it sounds as if he deserved getting thumped. I’m certain he didn’t go away from there feeling as if he was punched for no apparent reason.

    Will he learn a lesson from it? Since it happened in 2006 – Nah.

  378. “325 on the bench after 14 reps 225.

    My goal is to run 6 miles a day outside by the time my second little man is born. I’m not even over a mile yet. I’m pathetic. Smart phone apps make running kind of cool. You can mindlessly take off in any direction you want and have your miles/time tracked.”

    Just did a two-month fellowship on Musculoskeletal MRI. Watch the heavy bench presses. The glenoid process is very shallow; that allows a much wider range of motion than the hip, which has a very deep socket, but is very strong and well-protected. Presses put a lot of stress on the posterior glenoid labrum, which is a piece of cartilage surrounding the bone that, because of the glenoid’s angle, doesn’t have much bony support. Heavy presses put a lot of pressure back there and can screw up your shoulder permanently.

    My knees and feet started bothering me and I have switched over to bicycling for aerobic exercise. 20 miles is trivial now, after just a few months. We have a lot of railroad grades that have been converted to trails in this area and you don’t have to mix your biking with auto traffic. Running will eventually destroy your knees, especially if you are bulking up with extra weight.

    Love the iPhone. Apple @ $420 now. Good stuff.

  379. Rutherford opined:

    “I do want to sincerely correct PF on one thing. He accused you of believing what you want to believe and refusing to discuss it. That is blatantly false. I know you think your words go in my left ear and drip out the right but I do notice … and give you credit … that you take the time to discuss your beliefs and sometimes in a very brotherly way.”

    What I meant is “refusing to discuss the possibility that I might be wrong.” I apologise for my unclear wording.

    Defending magical thinking with more magical thinking is not “discussing.” Arguments that would be laughed out of the county if applied to anything else are somehow given credibility when one’s imaginary friends and invisible wizards are involved. (Imagine trying to avoid jail time by saying, “But Judge, I BELIEVED that money I took would multiply by divine intervention, and then I would use it to feed the masses, you know, like that fish and bread thing!” Pack your bags, son, you are going on a trip.)

    That which can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. Proof is NOT, “But I talk to the Baby Jesus every day!” (through my hair dryer, LOL)

    Hell, even talking about such nonsense is a waste of time. Why bother…once the brain is infected with the religion virus, it’s – as I have said before – just like rabies. The only cure is when the animal dies.

  380. Rabbit, perhaps I was not sufficiently clear.

    Funerals in the home are not, to my knowledge, so uncommon as to make them “weird”. In fact, if you read my comments closely you’d see that I said that the fact that the funeral was at home mitigated some of the oddness of bringing the deceased child home from the hospital.

    What remains a bit odd for me was that Santorum did not bring his children to the hospital the night before to see their deceased brother but opted instead to bring the baby home the day of the funeral himself.

    If Santorum had a mortuary transport the baby to his home for the funeral, no one would be thinking anything all that odd about it.

    But AGAIN, the Santorums chose a course that comforted them and did what they thought best for their surviving children.

    Some of you guys (perhaps not Rabbit) are desperate for me to jump on the Colmes train on this one. It ain’t gonna happen. Santorum’s choices are fine for private consideration but they have no place in public debate. Furthermore, I give him points for not sugar coating what happened and sharing it with the American people.

    And no I’m not a hypocrite. The truth of what happened with Sarah Palin’s pregnancy should not be the subject of public debate vis-a-vis fitness for office. The fact that she LIED about what happened, should be subject to public scrutiny. And if you believe the official story that Sarah has offered concerning Trig’s birth, then you also believe in Santa Claus.

  381. Imagine trying to avoid jail time by saying, “But Judge, I BELIEVED that money I took would multiply by divine intervention, and then I would use it to feed the masses, you know, like that fish and bread thing!” Pack your bags, son, you are going on a trip.

    Pfesser, what I find interesting is that if you scratch underneath the surface, most people really do not believe in the fairy tale aspects of religion. As I wrote back in May, everyone believes in the rapture until someone puts an exact date on it. Once someone like Camping puts a date on the rapture, he’s called a nutjob by everyone including Christians.

    As you said, “the devil made me do it” or “Jesus made me do it” does not hold up in a court of law and at best lands you in the loony bin. So much for our Christian-based legal system. 🙂

    I often wonder what might happen if Christ does return and gets put in the mental ward for telling the truth about who he is. Everyone talks about the second coming but no one would even believe it if it happened.

  382. Tell us what happened with Palin R.

    Then tell us why we should care.

    Tell us why you felt you had license to make whatever comments you did about a handicapped child.

    Then tell us why you didn’t start out by denouncing Colmes and Robinson instead of trying to explaining it away rather than examining the wrongness of the subject matter.

    I hate when you travel down a path then try and re-characterize the motives when MSNBC starts to choke.

    Sorry R. This is typical. The left’s malevolence reflected in the MSM consumed by it has no boundaries. Your epiphanies are always an after-the-fact proposition.

  383. “What remains a bit odd for me was that Santorum did not bring his children to the hospital the night before to see their deceased brother but opted instead to bring the baby home the day of the funeral himself.” -R

    Seriously? You think that’s odd?

    Why?

    Is there some kind of protocol I’m not aware of in the timing of letting one’s kids view the body of their baby sibling? Have you forgotten how crazy the day of birth is? Imagine if the day of death is the same day.

    I don’t get why you feel the need to add this “but, it’s odd” stuff to it.

    I’ll respond to your little back door defense of Colmes, although I shouldn’t.

    Why weren’t the kids rushed to the hospital to see their brother right after birth and death?

    Maybe the Santorum’s were tired. Like, collapsed tired.

    And crushed with sadness.

    I might not be capable of dealing with my kid at that second, either.

    And it would be even worse if he was accompanied with the in law baby sitters.

    Then, in the foggy confusion of it all, it might hit me, I want my son to know he had a little brother, despite how young that brother died.

  384. “What remains a bit odd for me was that Santorum did not bring his children to the hospital the night before to see their deceased brother but opted instead to bring the baby home the day of the funeral himself.” -R

    Seriously? You think that’s odd?

    Why?

    Is there some kind of protocol I’m not aware of in the timing of letting one’s kids view the body of their baby sibling? Have you forgotten how crazy the day of birth is? Imagine if the day of death is the same day.

    I don’t get why you feel the need to add this “but, it’s odd” stuff to it.

    I’ll respond to your little back door defense of Colmes, although I shouldn’t.

    Why weren’t the kids rushed to the hospital to see their brother right after birth and death?

    Maybe the Santorum’s were tired. Like, collapsed tired.

    And crushed with sadness.

    I might not be capable of dealing with my kid at that second, either.
    And it would be even worse if he was accompanied with the in law baby sitters. Then, in the foggy confusion of it all, it might hit me, I want my son to know he had a little brother, despite how young that brother died.

  385. “I often wonder what might happen if Christ”………R

    Rutherford, you sure do a bunch of “wondering about Christ”.

    I mean, I find you are “wondering about Him” weekly, almost daily. ‘

    If you ever become religious, your going to be a good Christian.

  386. “Seriously? You think that’s odd?”

    Whatever mitigates the offense.

    Could you imagine what R would be saying if it were a conservative commentator discussing a democrat?

    I can. Over the top outrage. Like when Palin was responsible for Giffords getting shot. 🙄

    Colmes talked about the Sanotums bringing the body home “to play with it” then sat back with that smirk — smugly refusing to back away from the wrongness of his comments. R? “Well maybe it was wrong, but it seems weird. The Santorums could have done things differently that wouldn’t seem weird to me. Let’s move on. . .”

  387. “Like when Palin was responsible for Giffords getting shot. ”

    Oh, you mean the day a deranged lunatic shot and killed Rutherford’s independence and credibility?

    I still can’t believe what went down the 24 hours after that shooting. A total eye opener for me. Just how quick freedom of speech can be attacked. That shooting insanely went from Palin’s doing to the collective voice of the entire right in about 8 hours…..and people were buying into it!!

    Rutherford was one of the loudest braying sheep.

    Of course his blog was typical Rutherford pussy footing.

    Classic Rutherford.

    “I’m not saying Palin is responsible, but she is kind of responsible.

    I’m not saying Colmes was right, but he was kind of right.

    High road/slummin’. Good ‘ole Rutherford. Always the pussy about stuff.

    No wonder the riveting radio show excitedly named “Leaning Left” as a Nielsen ratting of 3 people.

  388. Rabbitt, funny how it always plays out the same.

    R, the story is the left’s delight in “going there.” I hope your next post addresses that rather than the usual contortions you use to try and justify it. You already blew it by nor just saying, “what Colmes and Robinson said was fucked up — I won’t even try to justify it. They crossed the line and they deserve to be shamed.”

    But alas. . .

  389. So much for our Christian-based legal system.

    If you were half as smart about such things as you imagined yourself to be, the first thing you’d do is stop talking.

    I’m not going to lead you straight to it, because I think that there would be something of benefit for you in narrowing it down for yourself, but there is, for lack of a better way to phrase it, a “Biblical” standard of proof which might underscore for you why that isn’t as clever as you imagine it to be, so I wouldn’t get too smug in PF’s trained seal like claps of approbation. That would only be the blind leading the naked.

    Let me know when you think you’ve found it. Your keyword should be “Witnesses”.

  390. Rutherford,
    I am going to make some comments regarding the issue of Santorum’s dead child based only on the comments I have read here. I have no desire to read or watch what MSM had to say because in my opinion there was no reason for MSM to exploit a private issue just because the man is a politician. Palin in my opinion used her pregnancy to exploit her position as a politician. Big difference.

    Rutherford, you have one child. Rabbit you have a second child on the way 🙂
    Today’s parents involve the siblings in the pregnancy. A child in the womb becomes part of the family almost from inception. Siblings pat “Mommy’s tummy” and feel the kicks and hear the heartbeat. Many parents share the ultrasound. Today’s Mothers are proud of their protruding stomachs and the impending birth is a celebration. In other words the child in the womb is already a sibling before it is born.

    Some hospitals do allow children to view the newborn at the nursery window. I can assure you they do not allow children to view a dead baby in the morgue. Whatever reasons Santorum had for bringing the dead baby home, at least he provided closure for his other children.

    Once upon a time it was a custom for the dead to reside in the home before burial. I don’t know the family’s religious bent besides the fact they are Catholic. Maybe they did not want embalming or wanted closure before turning over the baby to a funeral home. Frankly it is no one’s business but theirs.

    These comments are strictly my opinion!

  391. Raji, you make the interesting point that having the children see the brother at the hospital might have been a non-starter. (Rabbit also makes a good point that in the midst of grief that option might not have been viable for the parents.)

    The point you make, Raji, that resonates the most and that I’ve been trying to get across is that the Palin/Santorum comparisons are bogus except in one way that I will blog about tomorrow. (Wanted to this weekend but didn’t get the chance.)

    Bottom line Tigre and Rabbit, you are shadow boxing. You’re having a fight with yourselves. I do NOT defend anyone who makes sport of a human tragedy such as losing a newborn child. Colmes was an ass for going there and sadly I will not be able to look at Robinson the same ever again.

  392. BiW, that’s one helluva riddle. I wish you’d give me a bit more to go on. I’m thinking along two paths: there were witnesses to Christ’s ascension or when people testify in court, they basically swear “as God is my witness”.

    I need help … where are you going with this?

  393. The Broncos have beaten the Pittsburgh Steelers. It was said that we didn’t stand a chance, that we would be crushed. Tebow won, with his arm, and Denver moves on to Foxburough to take on the NE Patriots.

    Alfie, we’re coming to get you!!!!!!!

  394. You know, for the life of me, I can’t figure why we can’t get peace between the Palestinians and the Israelis. It just befuddles me…

    Rally organizer: Praise be to you, our Lord. You have made our killing of the Jews an act of worship, through which we come closer to you.

    Allah’s prayers upon you, our beloved Prophet [Muhammad]. You have made your teachings into constitutions for us — the light with which we dissipate the darkness of the occupation, and the fire with which we harvest the skulls of the Jews.

    Yes, our beloved brothers, even though the entire world moves closer to Allah through fasting, through hunger, and through tears, we are a people that moves closer to Allah through blood, through body parts, and through martyrs.

  395. For the Paulbots out there. You guys must live at night, because sunlight ain’t working out so well for you…

    More quality reading:

    Among Paul’s earmarks are boondoggles like $38 million to “encourage parents to read aloud to their children”, $18 million for a light rail study, $4 million for a “Trails and Sidewalks Connectivity Initiative”, $11 million for an ACORN-like “Community-Based Job Training Program”, $2 million for a “clean energy” pilot project, and many, many more.

    I think the photo of Paul with ex-KKK Grand Wizard Don Black says about all you need to know about who and what Paul is. Still doubt those newsletters?

  396. “I do NOT defend anyone who makes sport of a human tragedy such as losing a newborn child.”

    Yet that’s precisley what you did with Giffords and Palin’s Down Syndrome baby. Silly us. 🙄

  397. Yet that’s precisley what you did with Giffords and Palin’s Down Syndrome baby.

    Apples and oranges.

    I was unfair to Palin regarding Giffords but I was not making sport nor trying to score political points. I sincerely felt Palin had poisoned the air and was on the wrong side of things when Giffords got shot. I over-reacted on Twitter, in particular. Overall, Palin came out of it looking worse than she did going in because she made it all about her, as everyone who sees her clearly knew she would do.

    In a complete lapse of intellectual capability Tigre, you and Tex and some others confuse an attack on a mother as an attack on a child. I have NEVER attacked Trig Palin. Sympathy and empathy for a Downs Syndrome child does NOT extend to his incredibly stupid and mean-spirited mother.

    End of story.

  398. “Overall, Palin came out of it looking worse than she did going in because she made it all about her, as everyone who sees her clearly knew she would do.”

    Of course, when you blame someone for something and they set about defending themselves, it is usually all about that person.

    The only way she couldn’t have made it “all about her” is if she didn’t defend herself.

    Which would have suited you and yours just fine….

  399. No one here is surprised that you’ll attempt to find some rationalization for your prior positions, though I am surprised that after several days you have denounced rather than tried to explain Colmes and Robinson.

    Apples and oranges my ass. It’s called crossing the line when it comes to personal attacks Rutherford — something the left doesn’t hesitate to do when it comes to the right. Boundaries Rutherford. Boundaries.

    Attacking mother or child is irrelevant. Like the crude attacks on the Santorums. It’s about personal subject matter.

    End of story.

  400. “I think the photo of Paul with ex-KKK Grand Wizard Don Black says about all you need to know about who and what Paul is.”

    He’s a politician who wants $$$ for campaigns. They don’t tend to tell financial supporters to fuck off.

    I think I have seen enough out-of-context material not to let a single image in time influence me much.

    I’ve actually soured on RP, but mainly because I have decided a scalpel is better than an ax in dealing with our FP. But I do still appreciate his presence in the political scene because he forces an important conversation. And I think that is his primary goal in running, anyway.

  401. “You know, for the life of me, I can’t figure why we can’t get peace between the Palestinians and the Israelis. It just befuddles me…”

    Decades of systematic siege and genocide don’t have anything to do with it.

    You know as well as I do that all sides involved in that mess take plenty of steps to perpetuate the conflict. All sides insist on terms they know are unacceptable. And the cycle of violence continues.

    And if you don’t know that then please do the world a favor and change your occupation.

  402. “Tell us why you felt you had license to make whatever comments you did about a handicapped child.” – ET

    Odd, coming from the side that routinely uses the terms “tard” and “retard” on the RLB without remorse, even mocking those that object.

  403. “Odd, coming from the side that routinely uses the terms “tard” and “retard” on the RLB without remorse, even mocking those that object.”

    Unless you’re offering an admission, it’s apples and oranges, Numbnutz. You can speak for yourself.

  404. Yeah, I’ve been trying to explain to folks how wierd this season has been. From the Collapse in Shannahan’s last season to two horrible years unde4er McDaniels, no one expected this year to be anything like it has been.

    It’s been a great ride and I’m loving it!

    I think Saturday night is doable. We gashed NE for 167 yds in the 1st qtr of our last meeting and if we didn’t have the turnovers of the 2nd qtr, that game could have been a lot closer than it was. The Patriots have the 2nd worst defense in the league, and the key will be keeping the ball out of Brady’s hands.

    With the way Tebow was throwing last night, we could have a real 1-2 punch between the Demarious Thomas long ball and the McGahee run. What we REALLY need is some REALLY, REALLY cold weather with high winds to move into Foxburough, forcing this thing on the ground!!!

    Here we come baby!!!

    Believe!

  405. G, remember I’m from Boston. If I weren’t, I’d be rooting for Tebow. He’s made for an interesting/fun season no matter what happens going forward.

  406. I notice there is a lot of […] in there, G. Why not give us the whole thing? What context is in there that MEMRI doesn’t want us to see?” – Huck

    That’s a good question, I don’t know. My guess is brevity, but it could be more nefarious. My experience with MEMRI has been pretty positive. I have not seen many things which were put out of context, but there could always be a first.

    I’m more than aware of the failings of the Israeli state to show a little bit of patience with the Palestinians. I think the Israelis let themselves get baited more often than not into over reacting. So yeah, I’ve got my share of criticism of their tactics. But I’ve seen plenty of videos of Yasir Arafat telling the West and the Israelis that he wants peace and compromise, and then stoking jihad and martyrdom at Palestinian rallies. Duplicitous would be a gross understatement.

    I’ve said it here before, I do not think the Palestinians can rationally negotiate any peace. Period. If this is to come to closure, it is going to require Israel to have a peace agreement with its Arab neighbors and Saudi Arabia, and then have the Arab states force the settlement on the Palestinians. But that will never happen now that Egypt has gone to hell in a hand basket. The Islamists coming to power will greatly undermine the stability Israel has enjoyed in the south. If the treaty is annulled- as the Muslim Brotherhood has vowed to do- then the likelihood of overreaction and war grows exponentially. The Sinai is going to be the cause of the next Egypt-Israeli war.

    Couple that with the pending collapse of Syria, and it doesn’t look good for Israel. 74% of Syria is Sunni, and extremist sentiments are growing there as well. Watch as extremists in Iraq go back into Syria to destabilize it and things could get really froggy.

    There is little good coming from the so-called ‘Arab Spring’.

  407. But I do still appreciate his presence in the political scene because he forces an important conversation.

    Yup, I fully agree.

    Also Huck, you’re right on Palestine. I sometimes wonder if in some sick way, both sides enjoy the fight. 😦

    As for Palin, had I been her adviser she would have said, “While I am in no way responsible for Gabby’s shooting and such accusations are unfounded, I believe this tragedy provides an opportunity for all of us to tone down the political rhetoric and make it less toxic. I pledge to do so and I hope my peers from both parties will do so also.”

    She would have emerged a friggin’ hero. Instead, she screamed “blood libel.” The woman is totally without grace.

  408. Could someone explain to me why Ann Coulter punctuates her snark with laughter all the time. Does she really think she’s THAT funny. At least when Red Skelton used to laugh at his own jokes, the audience laughed along with him. Ann … not so much. In fact, the laughter makes me want to rip her race off. 😕

  409. As for Palin, had I been her adviser she would have said, “While I am in no way responsible for Gabby’s shooting and such accusations are unfounded, I believe this tragedy provides an opportunity for all of us to tone down the political rhetoric and make it less toxic. I pledge to do so and I hope my peers from both parties will do so also.”

    Ahhh yes. Another hurdle to be affirmatively address by someone who had NOTHING to do with the shooting, despite the automatic kneejerk accusation by people who had to find someway to make it about her.

    If you had applied the same standard to Democrat Chris Van Hollen, who also used the dreaded crosshairs in his work to get democratic supporters motivated in previous years, then at least your ridiculous litmus test would have the benefit of some consistency.

    But given the fact that you still want to hang this around her neck indicates your biases, first that it was a problem, and second that conservatives are the ones so unrestrained that the mere sight of crosshairs in campaign materials create an irresistable suggestion that they must absolutely act on, and third that gun violence that involves a politician must be the work of a conservative.

  410. Of course, it seems to me that your position is undermined also by the lack of your outrage over the “crosshairs practice” in the recent campaigns that took place before Giffords was shot. I mean, as an expert on all things that Palin does/did wrong in her political activites, I would have expected you to be Johnny-On-The-Spot long before the shooting, holding your dog-eared copy of the Politically Correct Prognazis’ Guide to Determining What To Allow A Political Candidate or Figure to Say In a Campaign Season. (Just kidding…since one of the first words to be banned would be “campaign”.)

    Unless, of course, neither you OR Mr. Nutbar Shooter knew a damn thing about it, iwhich would of course indicate that the OUTRAGE!!!! was simply the latest in a series of “offenses” that His Master’s Voice™ at MSDNC told you that you could blame upon someone they had been tasked with destroying at all costs, including credibility.

  411. If you had applied the same standard to Democrat Chris Van Hollen, who also used the dreaded crosshairs in his work to get democratic supporters motivated in previous years

    Yes indeed. If subsequent to Chris’ use of crosshairs by mere coincidence John Boehner got shot in the head and then folks pointed the finger at Chris, I would have advised him to take the very same approach that I suggested for Sarah. I don’t know much about Chris Van Hollen’s personality so I can’t say whether he’d take my advice or not.

  412. Yes indeed. If subsequent to Chris’ use of crosshairs by mere coincidence John Boehner got shot in the head and then folks pointed the finger at Chris, I would have advised him to take the very same approach that I suggested for Sarah. I don’t know much about Chris Van Hollen’s personality so I can’t say whether he’d take my advice or not.

    Yes…because it wasn’t wrong until she did it, because you KNOW that Mr. Nutbar was influenced by not just the use of the visual device, but HER use of the visual device.

  413. Still doesn’t the wrongness in what he did.

    She should never have had to account to you douche bags who falsely accused her of causing the shooting. If anyone lacks the right to critique her response it’s you R.

  414. Public persons should expect public scrutiny, whether tasteless or baseless. It’s part of the job description, right or wrong.

    I’m guessing Palin would go through it all over again to gain the notoriety and subsequent income from her very public exposure.

  415. Public persons should expect public scrutiny, whether tasteless or baseless. It’s part of the job description, right or wrong.

    Unless a bunch of newsletters were published and distributed with your name on them which contained content that would be entirely unacceptable had the “wrong” persons had their names on them. But it was them, so there is nothing to see here.

    I’m guessing Palin would go through it all over again to gain the notoriety and subsequent income from her very public exposure.

    While Rutherford and PF would undoubtedly approve of this supposition, I guess I’ll be the one to suggest that any “notariety” gained from this particular “J’accuse!” episode was neither profitable, nor relished, considering yours, and Rutherford’s target of choice did not come to her notariety by advocating violence, and has been on the receiving end of every creepy, inappropriate, and disgusting joke, innuendo, or threat that could be served against her by a media determined to see her not just destroyed, but punished for ever having accepted the nomination to run as the grumpy old guy’s running mate.

    Calling for people to be assaulted or killed is a business opportunity for those in the other camp. (See The Assasination of George W. Bush, or the “comedy” of Sandra Bernhardt, the insane ramblimgs of Rosie O’Donnell, and Alec Baldwin)

  416. Public persons should expect public scrutiny, whether tasteless or baseless. It’s part of the job description, right or wrong.

    Unless your surname is “Obama”, in which case scrutiny that would otherwise be A-OK with the media and public, such as early life, education, grades, and details about professional life before political office is to be avoided, and should anyone forget that, it is to be denounced and condemned as “RACIST!!!!” at every opportunity.

  417. So Colmes and Robinson are in the clear according to Poolman.

    And for some reason I thought a courtroom attorney could reason. 🙄

    Pathetic.

  418. “Public persons should expect public scrutiny, whether tasteless or baseless. It’s part of the job description, right or wrong.”

    Like the Santorums? 🙄

  419. BiW,

    Define “notariety”. The urban dictionary is awaiting your brilliance. The rest of your rant is baseless and tasteless, though I’m certain you felt it had merit.

  420. Like the Santorums?

    Rick IS a public figure. He SHOULD expect it. You thinking otherwise is especially naive. I’m not justifying whether it is right or wrong, tasteless or baseless, just that it IS part of the public job description.

  421. The rest of your rant is baseless and tasteless, though I’m certain you felt it had merit.

    I don’t think you understand the definition of “tasteless” or “baseless”.

    However, I shouldn’t fault you for the ability to properly apply either term in your criticism. The fault is entirely mine for not reducing your prior statement to its simplest form so that even a third grader could see that the response was indeed correct and even prepare a crayon illustration to aid in your understanding.

  422. I don’t think you understand the definition of “tasteless” or “baseless”.

    I fully understand tasteless as it applies to the senses and etiquette.

    I also understand baseless as having no foundation in reality.

    I still don’t get the gist of “notariety”, however.

    I’m certain you feel confident enough to enlighten me. Go for it.

  423. If spelling is the best you have, then you aren’t holding much, are you?

    But please, tell me how my response to your lame attempt to smear Palin was “baseless” or “tasteless”…. (you’re like a parrot that has learned a new phrase, or a child that has learned a new term and thinks its clever to apply it to everything.)

  424. On second thought, never mind.

    I’d rather not get some convoluted explaination that would undoubtedly rest on some zionist conspiracy that is meant to deny Ron Paul his opportunity to make the world safe for wearers of tin foil beanies.

    My only new year’s resolution for this year was to stop punching down.

  425. First of all, I did not smear Palin in my statement. I made a “guess” she would go through the same things to get where she is at today. Conjecture, not smear.

    Second, YOU are the one who attempted to correct MY spelling. I was hoping for something brilliant, but apparently nothing of the sort appears forthcoming.

    Third, it’s baseless to try to turn my apolitical statement into a diatribe. Then, further proceed into various logical fallacies based on that twisted interpretation.

    As to tasteless – without flavor or flair – I could be wrong. In retrospect it appears in poor taste and very 3rd grade-like.

    Polly want a cracker? Never mind, it appears you’re set.

  426. If only Santoums had responded more gracefully to the comments about their weirdness instead of getting all upset and hurt. . . 🙄

    Mmmm, I’m not aware of Santorum giving a graceless response to it. You got a link?

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