Pro-choice Argument Gone Awry and Farewell to Hitch

Pro-choice Argument Gone Awry

Recently the department of Health and Human Services (HHS) under the stewardship of Kathleen Sebelius overruled a finding by the FDA that the “morning after” pill could be sold over the counter to anyone who wanted it. The morning after pill (also called Plan B) is used to hedge against pregnancy after sexual intercourse. The FDA based its finding on safety evaluations. HHS apparently overruled the finding based on skepticism of these same evaluations as it applies to younger consumers. To the chagrin of the pro-choice contingent, Barack Obama weighed in by saying that the overrule was just common sense and he used his young daughters to justify his own caution about the drug’s availability.

I support the HHS overrule and I am particularly troubled by one bit of rhetoric surrounding the controversy. I’ve heard many opponents of the HHS ruling refer to its impact on “young women”. Look folks, we’re talking girls aged 11 to 16. They are not young women. They are children. The President’s remarks were called by one pundit “paternalistic”. Well damn straight it should be paternalistic. Just how far have we lost our way in this country that we think an 11 year old girl should be able to walk into a pharmacy and grab a drug to prevent a pregnancy when she shouldn’t be engaging in sexual intercourse in the first place. I’m not one of those who advocates abstinence only education regarding pregnancy prevention but have we really gotten to the point where we readily accept our 11 and 12 year old daughters having intercourse? Have we really flipped so far off course that we believe parents should not be aware of their children’s contraceptive choices?

Sorry, pro-choice lobbyists and feminists in general, you can sling arrows at me all day long. My child becomes a “young woman” when she can put a roof over her own head and pay her own rent. Until then you’re damn right I’m going to be paternalistic and I’m going to be involved in her purchase of contraception.

Farewell to Hitch

This week at the age of 62, author and raconteur Christopher Hitchens died of esophageal cancer.  Whenever I tuned into a TV show and learned that Hitchens was going to be a guest my heart quickened a little and my mind buzzed with anticipation. To say Hitchens had a way with words would be like saying Julia Child could throw together a pretty good meal. Just reading his last contribution to Vanity Fair, I had to look two words up in the dictionary and I consider my vocabulary better than average (the words were inanition and etiolates).

But Hitchen’s final article for Vanity Fair also  illustrates his penchant for killing sacred cows. He takes on the notion of “what does not kill me makes me stronger” and notes quite matter of fact that the treatment to kill his cancer had left him much weaker, not at all stronger. An avowed atheist, Hitchens had no problem attacking the sacred and leaving controversy in his wake. In The Missionary Position: Mother Teresa in Theory and Practice he portrays the much revered nun as guilty of terrible optics (photo ops with the wife of Haiti’s Baby Doc Duvalier) at best and a cunning religious propagandist at worst. One phrase from the excerpts I read jumps out at me, that Hitchens wished to judge “Mother Teresa’s reputation by her actions and words rather than her actions and words by her reputation.” Hitchens takes on God Himself in the book God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything.

Based on these works, one could simply label Christopher Hitchens a flame thrower enjoying controversy for its own sake. But there was a gravity to Hitchens’ analyses. He wasn’t flippant. He could in one breath recognize the stupidity of a man (George W. Bush) and in the next breath castigate those who might judge Bush who were not worthy to do so. Watch the following two exchanges, one from 2000 and the other from 2006.:

(You can watch a fuller version of the second video here.)

It might appear at first that the two videos contradict each other. However they are completely consistent. In the first, Hitchens criticizes Bush’s lack of curiosity, his mental laziness. In the second, he criticizes the mental laziness of Bill Maher’s audience who rejoice in the “easy shot” at Bush’s IQ. He calls them “frivolous” and points out that calling Bush dumb doesn’t make you smart.

Whether or not you agreed with everything Christopher Hitchens said, there was no denying that the man did not have a lazy mind. When he spoke or wrote he invested a finely tuned intellect and he challenged you to invest the mental energy to understand him, and if need be, challenge him. In a world of stupid soundbites and knee jerk partisan rhetoric, Mr. Hitchens will be sorely missed.


Photo credit: Andrew Rusk from Toronto, Canada via Wikipedia Political Blogger Alliance




182 thoughts on “Pro-choice Argument Gone Awry and Farewell to Hitch

  1. “When he spoke or wrote he invested a finely tuned intellect and he challenged you to invest the mental energy to understand him, and if need be, challenge him.”

    Well said Rutherford and thanks for posting a tribute.

    “My child becomes a “young woman” when she can put a roof over her own head and pay her own rent.”

    Another “well said”. Children are children until they are adults and parents are supposed to be engaged in the process of raising them.

  2. Amazing. A Rutherford Lawson article that I can find no fault. Not even the biting atheistic part.

    I’m sure somewhere, somebody will pop off, a religious war will ensue, Huck and I will headlock in the merits of Islam, Pfesser and I will go back to the mat, you and I will tussle, Gorilla will demand the Coliseum, Poolman will provide a sermon, and everybody with some sense of dignity will slink off thinking they had mistakenly tuned into WWF.

    But for this one moment, peace on earth and goodwill to men.

    Congratulations my friend. We have come full circle. 😉

  3. Not to change the subject so soon, but I’m currently watching Slingblade while mom shops on NetFlix. It’s only available through Monday.

    Anybody here besides me seen it before? It’s really amazing how good an actor Billy Bob Thorton is – shocked the hell out of me.

  4. No sermon tonight, Tex.

    I went and listened to a good one though. The wife and I decided to walk there and back, about 45 minutes each way on foot. Light rain started to fall coming back. We had light jackets and it was a little breezy, but we still managed to stay plenty warm.

    The last movie I watched for entertainment was the Soloist, with Jamie Foxx and Robert Downey, Jr. I thought it was very good. It is based on a book based on a true story.

  5. If you get a chance to rent Sling Blade Poolman, I would recommend it just for the acting of Thornton and the boy. I guess this is the one that put Billy Bob Thornton on the map. And growing up where you did will make you appreciate it all the more. A lot of local actors who do a great job.

    It’s a rough movie in parts and definitely “R” rated, but has takes you from sweet to broken several times. Actually filmed in Benton, AR, with some good Southern storytelling.

    One of the other things I found fascinating is that Dwight Yoakam is actually a very good actor in his own right. He’s a mean SOB in this one. Who would have knew? And John Ritter, who plays the gay man and protector of the abused widow, is very good too. Until this movie, I had never cared much for Ritter as actor, but he is quite good.

    I give it four out of five stars. It was nominated for several awards, including Thornton as best actor.

    I’ll stay back on topic Brother “R”. 😉 Just when I come across a movie you can rent cheap or get through Netflix streaming, I try to let everyone know.

  6. Slingblade rocks. I used to enjoy doing an impersonation of the Billie Bob character back in the day. Once I got trached I lost a lot of range in my voice so all my impersonations suck now. (I used to do a mean Micky Mouse too, 🙂 )

  7. Hey Tex no apologies needed for the Slingblade recommendation. Thornton originated the lead character in a play he wrote if I’m not mistaken. I seem to recall he may even have filmed a shorter version of the film years earlier.

    I had forgotten that John Ritter was in that. Yeah he was good too.

  8. Poolman, cancer treatment is one of the wildest conceptually of anything we’ve got going. Your word “poison” hits it right on the head. One of the only diseases I know of where we attack the body so severely to get at the cancer. My nephew’s wife whupped breast cancer in one breast only to find it in the other one soon after treatment had stopped. Now she’s back to square 1. My maternal grandmother died of breast cancer, partly because she was in denial about the lump and wouldn’t get it checked until it was too late.

    Hitchens’ description of his agony in the article I link to in my piece is vivid. I’m also learning just how realistically cancer is portrayed in “Breaking Bad” which I’ve been watching for a few weeks now. The only disease I’ve witnessed personally that comes close to the devastation of cancer is muscular dystrophy. I grew up with kids who had that. A progressive disease that kills you slowly. Most don’t get past 30 or so and still no cure, hence the annual Jerry Lewis telethon.

  9. Does anyone here have a Roku? Tex got me thinking about streaming video for my folks as an x-mas gift.

    (Sorry R. I figured it wouldn’t hurt to complete the circle of life for our off-topic discussion. And I like ‘dem french fried ‘taters, hm”).

  10. Does anyone here have a Roku?

    I reckon I don’t. hm.

    In certain circles, like my family, I’ve got kin that still talks this way and that neighborhood for Karl is my boyhood neighborhood. If you guys knew who you were really affiliated with here, you would recognize just how close you’ve come to befriending redneck, white trash. My in-laws still work on small motors. That’s no lie. I didn’t pick the name Tex for nuttin’.

    I wonder if our black Ivy league sophisticate ever considered he’d end up good blog buddy of Mississippi white trash? It’s a heck of a mixed up world.

    Rutherford’s ancestors were picking cotton and the end of a whip. Mine were picking up pecans at the end of the line. 😆 No wonder we are winding it down together…

  11. I’m as pro choice as they come and I don’t have a problem with the HHS overrule. Should be treated similarly–wrt to age accessibility–as other forms of medical birth control. It’s unlikely that a 15 or 16 year-old teenage girl doesn’t have a 17 year-old friend to procure it for her though. So this really hits at the younger end of the teenage spectrum, as it should.

    I love those two clips of Hitchens as it really shows his critical thinking process. We need more of him in today’s media morass. I was highly amused at both my more liberal and more conservative FB friends who did not realize–until reading his obituary–some of Hitchens’ stances. Opinions have become so shallow and crammed into two simplistic little boxes that he defied with such splendor. A great voice is gone. And I’m grateful that I haven’t devoured all his writings yet. There’s still more to discover with him.

    Slingblade was a brilliant movie.

  12. Tigre, I have a ROKU and I highly recommend it. So easy to install, a fence post (or a Republican) could do it. 🙂

    Seriously, a nice selection of streaming video available on it including Netflix.

  13. After reading Hitchens’ final and typically unemotional piece in VF

    Mmmm, I guess to each his own interpretation. I didn’t find Hitchens’ final piece at all unemotional. Yes, it did have his usual analytical style but I found his description of his pain quite compelling and quite emotional.

  14. Hate to harp on Slingblade which has become the unofficial major mini-thread of this article. but I loved it when Karl turns himself in. He says something to the effect of “yeah, I think he’s dead ummmmm”.

  15. Yeah, I’m thinking about becoming the Rutherford Lawson movie critic. When you sit on your rear as much as I with a computer in your lap and the boob tube going, you might as well do something of intrinsic value.

    I hate to plead ignorance, but I guess I don’t know what ROKU is. I take it, it’s the box like my Blue Ray?

    Damn, I’m getting more uncivilized by the day. Chopping wood uncivilized. I don’t even have an IPhone and snapped a nice picture of my retina with the phone camera recently. What next?

    Perhaps I can do away with the electric plugs in my house?

    Go Tebow!

  16. I think the monologue at the beginning is the best of all:

    When I was a little boy my parents told me a story of a fellow who, in the ‘forties or thereabouts had killed his nephew. The guy’s name was Leondice McGinnis (Lee – on – dus). Might have been Leonidis, but everybody called him Leondice. His family were people in the backwoods of West Virginia and even considered backwoods by the people IN the backwoods. His father knew Leondice was not right in the head, and as the boy grew to manhood, the whole family was a little afraid of him.

    One day the family was gone away and left a nephew there alone with Leondice. When they came back, they found the little boy dead. He had taken a coal-pick and literally picked the kid’s head apart.

    I assume he went to the “asylum” but never heard any more about him. Just an old tale from times gone by.

  17. Tex, Roku is one of a number of streaming devices for your television. I use the Xbox. My husband is figuring out how we can get off cable completely. I think the only holdout right now is figuring out if we can still get HBO (I will not be denied True Blood and Game of Thrones) and Showtime (Dexter) without having to go through cable. I’m willing to pay for content, just sick of paying an over-sized cable bill for the few channels I do want. I cannot wait for the day that the cable companies become irrelevant and I can simply purchase what I want, when I want it.

  18. Yeah, I went and looked. I use the Samsung Blue Ray. But I guess ROKU is the hot item. I’m just amazed being the original early adopter some years back, that I’ve fallen that far behind the gadget times. My kids now clue me in.

    I’m on cable for one reason – broadband. It’s getting to the point I could almost do without everything else on the tube. I would miss ESPN and the National Geographic Channel.

  19. re: morning-after pill. We are not as far apart as you might think, Tex. This is actually one of the very few issues I struggle with and don’t have an established position. On the one hand, I know from personal experience as a kid that once the hormones get revved up, nature sees to it that sex is always on a boy’s mind, and the girls get in there too. It’s just nature. Unfortunately sexual maturity arrives many years before emotional maturity or responsible attitudes, so as they say, shit happens. Do I want the kids to have access to birth control? Yes for sure. Should Mom and Dad know? ……… well, if my girlfriend and I had to go to Mom and Dad and couldn’t have got birth control for ourselves, we probably would have ended up with a baby, or married at eighteen or both, which would have been a f’in disaster. As far as we knew, our parents had never heard of sex, let alone actually HAD it!

    I don’t know; maybe the real problem is that parents and kids are not on the same page early enough and more of them should be like my wife and her kids by her first marriage. She made sure they knew about sex as they grew up, in a very matter-of-fact way, and when it was time to date she told them (boys and girls) that any time they thought they were in danger of “giving in” and doing something foolish (by that I mean unprotected sex), she would get them contraception. But what do you do when parents don’t have that relationship? If taught properly I think the schools could teach it as a course in “family economics” or somesuch, but people just shit when you bring that up, saying it will cause the kids to have sex. (You mean they’re not already?) All I know is that in Europe sex is no big deal, the kids learn it as just another class in school and their unwed birth rate is a lot better than ours…


  20. I was thinking about this the other day Pfesser. We are really marrying later than nature intended us to. You’re right about emotional maturity and my position about this subject is really not much different than Rutherford’s surprisingly. Even Kat had a point about somebody obtaining the “stuff.” You can’t realistically prevent someone obtaining it, anymore than you can prevent a 17 year old obtaining liquor.

    I don’t have good answers, but I don’t want the morning after pill sold OTC either because of the risks. Sometimes Rutherford has accused me of hypocrisy, but I am trying to be pragmatic too.

    It’s one thing to remain a virgin until you’re 18. I don’t think that is asking too much. If parental supervision were better, that’s certainly possible to prevent. I know as we did it. I made it pretty clear to my daughters what the dad expectations were by 14, and though my wife and I weren’t terribly strict, we did demand that we knew exactly where they were. We were very open to answering all questions at an early age, I hope without being preachy.

    But it’s quite another to ask someone to remain a virgin until they are 28. Only the most disciplined (or prude) can realistically be expected to do that.

    If our schools didn’t suck so bad for college preparation, I’d like to see more opportunity for our high school achievers to start college or tech school by the age of 16-17 instead of 18-19. That way, some of these young professionals could be entering the work force by 21.

    One of the things that troubles me about my oldest daughter’s choice of professional degree same as yours, is that she will graduate from med school at 25 and still not get her first real paycheck until she’s 30. If mom and dad weren’t picking up part of the bill and paying for the insurance and car too, and my oldest didn’t now have scholarship paying 95% of her med tuition, she would walk out with title of doctor about $200K in debt. That’s a lot of debt even for a professional position that commands a higher wage – rich by Obama standards. 😉 You feeling rich right now with six college educations?

    That’s no way to start a career and realistically think about starting a family.

    We need to change something. The system we’ve got isn’t working.

  21. R, your comment at 18 surprise me some. I think Hitchens himself would tell you he tried to convey the opposite since it was part of his theme (futility of solace).

    To each his own indeed.

  22. Well of course, telling someone not to have sex until they’re 28 is quite absurd. But what burns me, and what I wrote about, is that some girls are capable of getting pregnant as early as 11. The FDA ruling would have allowed them to go into a pharmacy without prescription and buy this pill. And then we use this jargon of calling them young women. You’ve gotta be kidding me. My kid is going to be 11 in three years. She is a kid now and she will still be a kid in 3 years.

    It is our curse that the human body outpaces the human mind sexually but to give up on abstinence as a strategy, particularly for CHILDREN is misguided to put it mildly.

  23. Rutherford, I’m not a parent, but I do understand your frustration. However, I don’t want the FDA making policy. I want the FDA to evaluate the facts around food and drugs (and I wish they’d do a better job on food). Then HHS makes a decision based on societal reasons whether to allow it to move forward. Seems like everything worked the way it was supposed to here. It’s actually a good tool for a parent of a young girl to better make a decision should–god forbid–they have to deal with a teen pregnancy. They at least have the facts on hand to know they aren’t endangering their daughter’s life if they decide to get Plan B for her.

    But to Tex and Pfesser’s comments, we have to change the conversation around sex in this country.

  24. Speaking of Axis of Evil, though my oldest daughter at Mickey Mouse land, my youngest and better half have taken over MY TV – the only one with a VCR hooked to it.

    This is the second night in a row dragging out old tapes. It’s a Wonderful Life, Scrooge, and Now “GAG” the Nutcracker. Bah humbug. 😡

    I’m already ready for everybody to go home and it’s not even Christmas.

    Not really. 😉

  25. I don’t want the FDA making policy.

    Until this latest brouhaha I never gave the matter any thought. But now that I see that the FDA does not take social wisdom into account in its findings (nor should it), I agree with you that they should not be making policy. I’m actually a bit annoyed at Sebelius for making a skepticism-of-the-science argument instead of a social-good argument in overruling the finding.

    As for your comment about changing the conversation around sex in this country, I couldn’t agree more. Our society is way beyond confused in its sexual attitudes. A highly repressed society that at the same time has toddler pageants that amount to beginner-kiddie-porn (see Jon Benet Ramsey) and Disney Channel shows that encourage very young girls to start thinking about sex way earlier than they need to be.

  26. Tex, that photo of the “Syrians” looks as staged as staged can be. Funny that they write impeccable English on their sign. Please, give me a break.

    Don’t get me wrong … I think our foreign policy is as inconsistent as hell but if we send troops to every country repressing their people, we will become the world’s policeman. And that’s a bad idea if for no other reason than we can’t afford it.

  27. Tex, a big LOL on your Scrooge comment. I’ve finally embraced Xmas music being played in the house but when it started playing right after Thanksgiving, I put up major resistance.

    Still using the old VCR heh? You’re too much dude.

  28. Huck, from what I understand even though Mubarek is gone, he’s still really there for all intents and purposes. What I mean by that is that the military was his second tier of government and they are not giving up control, elections be damned.

  29. What a year! The year of crazy and/or dangerous despots and figureheads biting the dust. bin Laden, Gadaffi, and now Kim Jong Il. Is his son in charge now? Will that be any better?

  30. Yeah, I’m thinking about becoming the Rutherford Lawson movie critic.

    Funny thing Tex, I’ve sometimes thought of canning the whole political thing and writing TV reviews either under my pseudonym or under my real name. The only thing I love more than politics right now is TV in general.

    When I was a kid I wanted to grow up to be Fred Silverman, the famous ABC programmer of the 1970’s. I would actually take Fall Preview TV Guides from year to year (I still collect them) and run statistics on how each network fared (i.e. number of new shows that returned for a second season). I used to analyze “lead in strategy” where a network would program a new show behind an established hit. With the advent of cable and the remote control and the Tivo a lot of those old programming strategies no longer work. There was a time where if you lead off the night with a strong hit show, you could count on the laziness of the viewer sans remote, to just sit there and watch your entire line-up.

    OK OK I know I sound like a dork. It kept me from doing dope and stealing cars in my youth. 🙂

  31. using the old VCR heh? You’re too much dude.

    About three years ago, before they completely disappeared from the shelves forever, I went out and bought one of those DVD/VCR combos – and if memory serves, it wasn’t terribly expensive.

    Hell yes still VCR. I’ll bet we’ve got virtually if not all Disney tapes made before 1995 on tape, all the kids videos when they were little on tape, I don’t know how many classics on tape, and about anything else you can mention. We’ve wasted more money on gadgets, tapes and DVDs then we should have. Got to remember, when my kids were very small, VCR was the going thing.

    My daughter has been dragging all those Christmas tapes recently. Much to my surprise, they are full screen on the HDTV and look pretty clear. I’d never seen the color version of “It’s a Wonderful Life” until last night.

    Twenty one years ago tonight was the last time I was in a topless bar – I had just finished my MBA and all the working stiff married boys went out to celebrate because they had finished as well. About 10 of us. What a scumbag. The last time I have ever been in one of those places.

    Why do I remember? 😈 Because the next morning, I had to get up at 4:00 AM to drive my very pregnant wife to the hospital to be induced into labor. My baby daughter is 21 today. She brought home a bottle of champagne for this evening.

    Double scumbag. I’d walk out to the parking lot phone with quarter in hand and call about every 30 minutes in the quiet and ask, “You okay?” Ssshhhhh….

    Good grief, those places are seedy. A couple of the boys made it down to “pervert’s row” for the closeup with dollar bills in hand. I was scared to death somebody would see my car there and report back to Mom. I’d have died 20+ years ago from being brained if they had.

    P.S. – thought you’d like my Syrian pic. 😆

  32. QUESTION: The First Lady is going to be leaving in a few hours for Hawaii, obviously she isn’t able to go with the President. But I wanted to ask you, isn’t it quite an extravagence? Four people to go in two jets to Hawaii, particularly given, the state of the economy the state of the budget, and also given the directive that was just put out about limiting air travel by the adminstration?

  33. “Tigre, I always find it interesting how we get into semantic arguments. I think one can be emotional and still believe in the futility of solace.”

    Okay then. He’s not emotional. 😆

    I just disagree R. I found it coldly rational, and deliberately so to make the point I stated.

    Now his comments affected me. I had trouble reading because it got me thinking not only of my own mortality my older brother who died of cancer when I was a teenager. That’s not the emotion we’re talking about though (i.e. the reader’s) nor have a engaged in an argument of “semantics.”

    Since you haven’t pointed to it, I don’t know what you see. To each his own. It’s not worthy of debate.

  34. I hadn’t seen that Obama quip.

    Okay, we killed Bin Laden. Hooray!

    What exactly is our foreign policy? ‘Xcept trying to coax Israel back to the ’67 borders while retaining the Jewish campaign contributions? What legislative accomplishments? The stimulus? Cash for Clunkers? Obamacare?

    And Lincoln? 😡 😐 🙂 😀 😆

    And Rutherford really wonders why I call the Barack Obama a malignant narcissistic and deluded megalomaniac?

  35. Tex, have you noticed that Obama’s accomplishments and “policy” is now measured by the “it wasn’t a total failure” standard?

    Lincoln? Pffft.

    This association with other’s greatness is something he’s done since he came on the scene (MLK Speech, Brandenburg Gate, JFK, Teddy Roosevelt, Reagan, Moses. . .). It’s his signature strategy — and effective when it comes to avoidance of his lack of personal accomplishment.

  36. A long, long sigh……

    (Reuters) – Egypt’s two leading Islamist parties said on Sunday their separate party lists secured about three-quarters of votes cast in the second round of a parliamentary election, extending their lead in the three-stage vote.

    A source from the Muslim Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party said it was on track to win about 40 percent of votes for party lists, based on results from most districts.

    A spokesman for the ultra-conservative Salafi al-Nour Party said its list received about 35 percent of votes.

    In the first round of the six-week poll, the FJP won about 37 percent of votes for lists and Nour secured about 24 percent.

  37. “The man truly lives in the shadows of others…”

    That’s giving him too much credit. The man lives underground. He’d get slapped by the ones he compares himself to.

  38. Tex, have you noticed that Obama’s accomplishments and “policy” is now measured by the “it wasn’t a total failure” standard?

    It’s a consistent Obama tactic and trait, now adopted by his toadies. We lead from the back, and now measure how far we haven’t fallen.

    Thor uses this trick all the time. Well, at least….we aren’t losing 750,000 jobs a month like under George Bush!, never making mention the job market is shrinking and the real unemployment rate is 11% measured by equivalent standard. Three years is a trend. Even all but the smartest Washington Pundits like Krauthammer and VDH are using the 8.6% unemployment number, mainly because they are stupid too.

    Saul Alinsky tactics. Focus only on the negative. A one month blip constitutes a term, three months a trend, six months the entire two terms as Presidency. Then when in power, flip the script.

    Completely fatuous, but it’s the Dimocratic Way – and unfortunately, for the mathematically and economically challenged of our country believe the line of cockamamie.

  39. Since a few of you enjoy bringing up the First Lady’s onion booty, I thought I’d share with you the Word.A.Day that landed in my inbox this morning.

    callipygous: adjective: Having well-shaped buttocks.

  40. I got my family hooked on Big Bang Theory.

    It’s funny that we watch it with my almost-eight year old and we do get a bit nervous when one of the protagonists winds up in bed with someone. So far, my kid hasn’t been particularly curious why Howard might be in bed with Bernadette. She enjoys the nerdy jokes and the occasional slapstick. But there has been an episode or two that my wife and I have previewed and declared off limits to the kid.

    P.S. Whatever happened to the “Family Hour”? Used to be that 8pm Eastern to 9 was family-safe viewing.

  41. LOL Tex, two anecdotes from my topless bar days.

    On my birthday back in the 80’s a couple of my co-workers decided to take me out to “lunch”. They didn’t tell me where we were going. When we got there I looked at the front of the place and thought it said “Crazy Yins” and I assumed it was a Chinese restaurant. Turns out, the “Y” was actually a “V” with an elongated tail. We walk in and the first thing I see is a topless dancer in the back of the place. It was a hole in the wall. The guys only went to see the expression on my face. I think I played it surprisingly cool under the circumstances. When the bar tender asked us where we worked, I got ready to tell her the truth and then got a jab in my side from my co-worker who interrupted and said we were all doctors. LOL

    Well you think that would’ve taught me to stay as incognito as possible but no. Fast forward about six years later and I’m in a strip club in Boulder, CO. Much nicer place than Crazy Vin’s with a western cowboy decor. Anyway, one of the strippers took a liking to me (she was one of the older ones … late 30’s at least … working toward some degree supposedly). Like an idiot, completely sober, I gave her my business card and told her to look me up if she was ever on the East coast. For the next ten years or so I had this scenario playing out in my head that the poor stripper would get murdered and the cops would find my business card in her apartment. On that same trip, my co-worker got into a conversation with another of the strippers about …. ancient mythology … I kid you not. When I laughed at him later, he got pissed and accused me of being a snob. “Just cos she’s a stripper doesn’t mean she can’t be an intellectual.”

    Lessons learned. 🙂

  42. I don’t think any of the stip club stories I have are allowed in this forum. I will say this, the bar is much, much, much lower for acceptable behavior overseas. 🙂

  43. Oh please Gorilla … give me a f*cking break. If Obama flew off to HI with his family you’d be crying foul that he’s vacationing when he should be governing. Now you want the First Family grounded to save money. There’s no winning with you.

    Stop tossing the petty sh*t out there and focus on something meaningful like whether or not you think the payroll tax reduction should be extended.

  44. Tex –

    re: topless bar surprise from your co-workers

    During the late ‘seventies when I was a resident, two other residents and I went to the AFIP (Armed Forces Institute of Pathology) in DC to do a couple of weeks’ course in radiology.

    Every day we rode the bus through the rough section of town and, all being country boys, marveled at the strip clubs and porn movie theatres along the way.

    Every day we passed a movie house advertising “Greek movies.” Andy, who was from waaaaayyy out in the country and a devout Baptist, asked us one day, “What’s that? Do they have movies about Greek culture?”

    Tom, who had been in the service and was nobody’s fool, shot a knowing glance at me. “Sure, Andy, they play movies about Greek culture. Would you like to see one?”


    Figuring we’d have a little laugh at Andy’s expense, Tom and I indeed took him into the bad part of town that very evening, to see a “Greek movie.”

    There must be a guardian angel who looks after children and the innocent. Swear to God. When we got there that evening with Andy in tow and got sat down, they played – you guessed it. A movie about Greek culture.

  45. That’s not the emotion we’re talking about though (i.e. the reader’s)

    Ahhhh, you just hit the ball out of the park Tigre. I would argue that a piece devoid of emotion cannot inspire much emotion in the reader. You and I both had an emotional reaction to his prose. I submit that’s because, no matter how analytical and rational his prose might have been, it was still emotional. For example, as dry as this might sound (particularly when I read it in Hitchens’ British accent), I still think this is emotional:

    If I had been told about all this in advance, would I have opted for the treatment? There were several moments as I bucked and writhed and gasped and cursed when I seriously doubted it.

    I agree with you 100% that it’s not maudlin. But it is emotional.

  46. From what I hear, particularly in Bangkok.” – R

    Yes indeed, though you’d be surprised what the Japanese and Chinese will do! And let us not forget the Phillipines!

  47. Oh please Gorilla … give me a f*cking break. If Obama flew off to HI with his family you’d be crying foul that he’s vacationing when he should be governing. Now you want the First Family grounded to save money. There’s no winning with you.” – R

    True, because he should be working, not vacationing right now. Trust me, at 85+ rounds of golf into the Administration, the man is not over worked.

    But my point was on her going solo… again. Martyha’s Vineyard, Hawaii, Spain- tell me why she could not have waited a day or two before going? Why does she have to spend the tax payers money so frivolously? Their lifestyle right now is completely at your and my expense. They are living exceptionally large, and for no reason other than to live it up. Do you think Paul McCartney plays for free at the WH?

    You keep calling it “bad optics”, but it is much more than that. It is a persistent disregard for the proper management of taxpayer dollars. For Christ’s sake, he just issued an EO instructing Administration and government workers to limit unnecessary air travel, and then Michelle Antoinette- accompanied by Spoiled and Rotten- decide that they are an exception to the rule. They’re special.

    For someone who wants this assclown re-elected, you should be especially appalled since it essentially conflicts with the rhetoric- and that is all this Administration has been- of good stewardship. Shame on you R, shame on you.

  48. I avoid strip clubs, but admit spending many hours and have a storied cache of files in the recesses of my psyche. I think the last time was Cozumel many years ago. Dangerous place for me.

    There is a club here in town that the local energy company plays their advertising off of. My wife pointed it out. I usually have my digital camera and took a shot of it. I don’t know how to attach a picture, I sent it email…

  49. R, if this is your effort to recover from the circular “disdain” exchange, I’ll meet you half-way on Hitchens. Although I think you’re really just trying to debate for the sake of debate, we may be talking the same language.

    And here I thought you’d jump on my (accurate) assessment of Graydon Carter as a liberal (rather than libertarian as he falsely label himself) . I always wondered why Hitchens would associate himself with VF — tabloid intellectualism at its finest.

  50. I have never been to a strip club. Just never had the interest or occasion to go to one.

    On the Egyptian election front, I am interested how the secular liberal New Wafd Party did. Last I read they were looking at about 22%, which isn’t 40% or even 35%, but is still no small gain.

    And there is probably a bigger chance the MB would form a government with them, as opposed to the conservatives, because they have all but said as much, as I have pointed out and sourced with an interview of their party leader. I’m sorry…but “I read something different somewhere but don’t remember what it said or where it was” doesn’t cut it as a refutation.

  51. Amsterdamn. The problem with Amsterdam is that it doesn’t carry that edgy seed of “this get’s people tossed in the clink” atmosphere.

    Plus I think they’re a little nicer to the Animals.

  52. Huck, we’ll see. So far, pretty much everything I said that would happen has. We’ll see who they align with, but I don’t think the New Wafd party will have much of a voice regardless.

  53. There must be a guardian angel who looks after children and the innocent. Swear to God. When we got there that evening with Andy in tow and got sat down, they played – you guessed it. A movie about Greek culture.

    😆 I shouldn’t tell this in mixed company, but since Kat crossed the Rubicon with the Vagina Monologue spiel, why not?

    In Dallas, they have these “gentleman clubs” – high dollar things with Dallas Cowboy cheer leader types in g-strings you pay a small fortune to even enter and the drinks are $10.00 minimum. We got bored with those quickly at a bachelor party for my buddy. So we went to the Philippino thingies down on the boulevard where the entry fee free and anything goes. Or so we thought.

    My vile friend was standing beside me when this little fully naked Asian gal standing on a table beside us does her yoga thing with big smile on her face and says, “Wthant to thee my poosy?”

    As fast as it came out of her mouth, my buddy responded, “Thee it? I can smelt it.” 😈

    Even the seediest of place I guess have certain standards you don’t cross…

    Out to the parking lot we were kicked, half drunk and laughing our asses off like a bunch of schoolboys.

  54. So Gorilla, you don’t buy Jay Carney’s assertion that previous First families have flown to their destinations on military jets without the President?

    I’m still wondering … if Obama doesn’t get to Hawaii at all because of congressional masturbation, is the First Family supposed to cancel their vacation plans?

    I suffer under no illusion that the First Family and my family get to live the same lifestyle. Being President carries some perks. It always has in recent history.

  55. Wow Tex, I know the code is usually “don’t touch the strippers” but I never heard “don’t insult the strippers”. That’s a strict code down there.

    Heck, the last place in the world I ever need to be is Bangkok. With my luck I’d end up with a 12 year old stripper and a burden on my conscience to last a lifetime. From what I’ve read, the sex trade leans very young down there.

  56. Hey G, I know the middle east is your bailywick but I wondered if you had any thoughts on North Korea. With Kim Jong Il gone, do we have a potential nuke problem down there?

    Anyone else have any insights?

  57. R, the sex trade leans in ALL directions in Bagkok. And I mean ALL.

    Tex, I once went to the seedy, seedy in East St. Louis. Yep, East.

    One of the ugliest strippers I had ever seen asked my buddy if he wanted to go share a hot tub with her — which was fenced in behind the place. Trying to get away from it he said, “aw shucks, I didn’t bring a suit.” Her response? “Don’t worry, we have loaners.” For real.

  58. East St. Louis strip club? You’re braver than I am, Tigre. Didn’t it say, “No Honkies Allowed” on the front door? 🙂

    Damn, and I though South Dallas was rough.


    Nah Rutherford, our buddy knew better than to say something that stupid. But had you been there and knew the dude, you’d have understand why he said it. Made me laugh out loud after I was sure I wasn’t about to get my throat slit.

    I used to play cards with this guy who owned on of those seedy joints. He was a thief too – a real sleazebag that held “fund raisers for charities”, probably most going to his wallet. But man, he could play dominoes and cards. Took my money every other Friday night.

    This crook told me, half the women he employed were desperate single mothers prostituting themselves, and the other half were sexually active lesbians. Hardest part of the job, other than the all of them head cases and completely unreliable, were keeping the women off the women.

    If you’re a hard up sack, the last place you’re going to get laid is in a strip club – unless it’s for prostitution and it would cost you a fortune.

    I knew I had finally grown up when one gal was “thrusting” herself at me one night, and rather staring at her booty, I was thinking how undignified people looked while copulating in the doggy style position. 😆

  59. Didn’t it say, “No Honkies Allowed” on the front door?

    They never figured a honkie like me would make it that far! 😆

    Actually, as I recall there was a corridor from St. Louis to the strip club area that acted kind of like a DMZ. But as you can imagine, I was so juiced I might be confusing for a drop at a local nursing home.

    I do remember real metal detectors at the door though. . .

  60. You figure it’s really true that the typical North Korean has been so stunted and cognitively impaired because of chronic starvation, malnutrition and brutality, it will impossible for them to assimilate into any kind of civilized society for a generation?

    That when the curtain drawn back, we’re looking at the modern day equivalent of an Asian holocaust and inhumanity on such a massive scale, it will sicken the hardest of us?

    Loose nukes and madmen. I submit it is just a matter of time before Asia returns the favor for the U.S. ending WWII. And when that happens, all bets are off.

    Because I still believe our military has only been demonstrating our conventional means of warfare, and then in a very controlled manner. We never did unleash the shock and awe, because it became unnecessary when it became apparent Iraq’s army a shell of their former self.

    That if we were to really unleash the dogs of war, God forbid what we might do if we really felt threatened with ending our civilization destroying our cities?

    I wouldn’t want to be President at this minute. If there is one redeeming feature of Obama, it’s that he doesn’t appear to be hesitant to order opening up a can of kick ass without restraint.

    Even for a hawk like me who believes in peace thru strength, that is a scary thought what we might do if provoked with another threat. I know how I felt after 9/11.

  61. Graydon Carter, like most individuals, is a mixture of what is today called liberal/libertarian/conservative. However he was extremely opposed to the Bush Administration and the neocons and quite vocal in his magazine each month about it. But he’s hardly at all in the bag for Obama. Probably his most distinguishing characteristic (from his monthly letter from the editor in VF) is his celebrity elitism. He name drops almost as much as Dominick Dunne did, almost no matter the person’s politics. This guy hangs with Barry Diller.

    I enjoy the magazine immensely for the quality of writing it employs, though I am getting sick of the Depp/Jolie/Gaga rotation on its cover.

    But since anything not hard right/Tea Party conservatism is deemed “liberal” these days and everything must fit into the proscribed boundaries deemed acceptable for each label (conservative/liberal/liberatian), then yeah, by those standards (which are ridiculous), Carter’s a liberal. Like me.

  62. I always find this line of thinking incredibly morbid but I have often wondered how there has not been a nuclear bombing since Nagasaki. I’d like to think it’s just humans exercising common sense and restraint but there are too many wack jobs in the world for that theory to hold muster. Is it just good luck?

    Wouldn’t it be “funny” if while we are busy obsessing over Iran, North Korea does the dirty deed somewhere.

  63. GK, I don’t think you are as objective nor are folks such as myself as biased as you’d like to believe. I still can’t reconcile the Hitchens / Carter relationship. Your accurate comments about the celebrity name dropping/elitism alone being one of the reasons because it’s just gross.

    Again, VF is tabloid intellectualism. I think it had to have been money, pure and simple.

  64. In a 60 Minutes piece I just watched on the web yesterday, it was noted that Hitchens himself loved being surrounded by celebrities. He was known for the parties he’d host. Tigre, that might put the VF connection in better context.

  65. Tigre, I don’t claim to objectivity. I don’t know where you go that. What I’m trying to express is that the complexity of most people’s positions on a variety of topics rarely fits into the buckets that people use to define ideologies today. I have viewpoints and stances that range across the spectrum, but because a particular few are anathema to the Republican party (and would immediately label me a RINO), I choose by default the label of liberal when I have to. I also believe in a variety of tools for different jobs so don’t have hardcore beliefs in some areas, but do have differing opinions on when to use those tools.

    Hitchens was no paragon of virtue himself and thrived on access and name dropping and Carter is no intellectual lightweight because he falls prey to the vanity of celebrity access. And while many accounts have them as genuine friends who enjoyed each other’s company, they also gained much from each other. Carter got a high profile columnist that drew readers to VF and Hitchens got another job, more readership, and even more access to the circles he liked to be in. Where’s the mystery in their connection? Most relationships are based on a combination of mutually agreeable exchanges of some kind or another.

  66. “Tigre, I don’t claim to objectivity. I don’t know where you go that.”

    Chill. No need to lecture. I’ll accept that you’re biased.

    Perhaps you know more of Hitchens and the relationship with Carter than I do. I find Carter a shallow hack. I am surprised that Hitchens didn’t (apparently from what you say), or if he did, that it wasn’t enough to make him want to steer clear.

    “Most relationships are based on a combination of mutually agreeable exchanges of some kind or another.”

    No shit?

  67. Kat, unfortunately many on this blog actually love falling into the extreme positions. Whenever I mention the word “nuance” you can hear a chorus of vomiting.

    Their take on Jon Huntsman is a perfect example. The man has been declared by no less a radical conservative than Erick Erickson as a consistent conservative …. one of the most conservative in the field. But because he favored cap and trade and worked for Obama, the yahoos on this board refuse to give him even a second look. (Oh and let’s not forget he got some attention from MSNBC, the kiss of death to any conservative.)

    So … since they have no problem being caricatures of the conservative position, they assume anyone who visits here with liberal leanings MUST be a radical pinko commie leftist. 🙂

  68. What do you mean, you rotten Imp?

    Did I not as recently as last week say I would have no problem with a Gingrich Huntsman ticket after the debate last week? If it is Romney, I would wish for a different V.P. candidate

    Tsk tsk…

    And you are a radical, pinko, godless communist. 😉

    Oh, and an Obama shill – the kiss of death. And hack. And toady. And a propagandist. And a racist and misandrist.

    A devil. A demon. A ghoul. A binary moonbat.

  69. R, regarding ” unfortunately many on this blog actually love falling into the extreme positions. Whenever I mention the word “nuance” you can hear a chorus of vomiting.”

    It’s actually easier that way, particularly in the blogosphere. So I get the temptation to rely upon it. My challenge to myself is not to engage in it myself, though I do fall off the wagon from time to time. And to be fair, there are issues where I’m as stereo-typically liberal as they come! But I’ll speak to those as they come up in conversation.

    Normally I try to comment only on the topic of the post itself, but this crowd goes all over the map! It’s kind of fun, trying to let myself roll with it.

    And Tex, categorically, there is no such thing as nuanced on cable news. A shallow stinking swamp, all of it.

  70. Money can make a difference. Take China, for instance. It is just outlandish to me how we can claim communism the greatest evil and cancer of mankind one generation and then jump full in bed with it the next.

    I always find this line of thinking incredibly morbid but I have often wondered how there has not been a nuclear bombing since Nagasaki.

    Nagasaki was the third of well over 2000 man-induced nuclear explosions on the planet. This artist’s video is compiled from all of them to 1998. I think I have posted it before.

    Nukes are so sophisticated now that they have been used in warfare on a much smaller scale. They do leave a distinct signature that has even been detected in our latest conflicts.

  71. 66. Rutherford | December 19, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    “Just to be clear, once I got married, these “adventures” came to an abrupt end”

    Hmm, okay Rutherford, I’ll accept that’s your story and your sticking to it 😆

  72. “If I had been told about all this in advance, would I have opted for the treatment? There were several moments as I bucked and writhed and gasped and cursed when I seriously doubted it.

    I agree with you 100% that it’s not maudlin. But it is emotional.”

    In my book that is expressing emotion, base bottom line emotion wrapped in agony.

  73. I think I like “binary moonbat” the most.

    More moonbat than binary.

    The newcomers here probably don’t understand our sense of, Brother “R”. I was teasing about Rutherford’s misandry newcomers, but he got understood it like I knew he would.

    Rutherford should have been a girl. 😈

  74. My kid shit his pants and took his diaper off again.

    Tar baby.

    He thinks he’s changing his diaper. Covered in shit.


  75. BiW and Tigre, please give me your considered opinion of Newt Gingrich’s plan to force activist judges to report to Congress and explain themselves when their verdicts don’t match Newt’s preferences. I don’t quite know where you fellas will come down on this one.

  76. I can handle the stripper stories; I can handle the *C* world (hell, I hurled it first since my arrival); I can handle moonbats. I don’t know that I can handle baby shit (not a parent). Good night and good luck! See you next posting!

  77. R, Newt is politicking. From the soundbite, I agree it’s a dangerous position and breaches common concepts of separation of powers. I don’t know the details of what motivated the comment and what authority he was looking to, if any.

    Raji, did you read the Hutchins’ piece or just the snippet?

  78. R @ 100, you’re so full of shit. You just keep pimping Huntsman and we’re not biting. Mostly because he’s irrelevant at this point. Get over it. You MSNBC-driven obsession with the guy is getting weird. I told you he’d run a shitty campaign, was so far behind he wasn’t worth looking at (for the moment), and would likely gain a little traction. Your demand for answers got you “some” of the things you now mention as proof of something.

  79. Oh, and “nuanced” triggers a gag reflex because you’ve made it a meaningless term when it comes to politics. It’s a dodge, e.g. “yeah, it sounds stupid and I can’t explain it rationally, but you’ll never understand because it’s nuanced.”

  80. “My kid shit his pants and took his diaper off again.”

    That’s what happens when you do drugs. Your kids are born nekkid with no teeth, can’t walk or talk and shit themselves all the time.

    Let that be a lesson to you all.

  81. Raji, did you read the Hutchins’ piece or just the snippet?

    Actually I read the entire article in hardcopy (Vanity Fair magazine) before the media announced Hitchen’s death. I’ve also read his other articles regarding his cancer. I admire him for telling it like it really “is” not the sugar coat the cancer support groups tend to do. I think he expressed his “agony” quite well!

    What’s the deal regarding Grayson? The only thing I know about him is what I’ve read in his editorials in VF. Do you have other information that forms your opinion of him?

    Of course VF is a tabloid, just one of the better ones and they do publish some worthy articles outside of celebrities. Heck, I even allowed Playboy in the house because it had good articles.

  82. Rabbit, all I can say is shit happens. Your motto for the day should be “get your shit together”

    Yes, I have been there, done that and it “ain’t” pleasant.

  83. “I think he expressed his “agony” quite well!”

    Agreed. I never said that he didn’t express his agony. But it’s not what I would refer to as “emotional.” It was typical Hutchins — “relatively” clinical (relative in the sense that he’s writing of his own demise). R’s quote tied to the overall theme, i.e. “what doesn’t kill you only makes you strong is b.s.”

    Again, his writing appeared to me to be typical Hutchins. You guys apparently saw something different that I still don’t see. Obviously he was descriptive but in my opinion hardly emotional.

    I know Graydon Carter personally. I’ll ask him. 😆

    Actually, it’s his opinion writing, habits, and the content of VF. But I don’t have a subscription. In fact I recall being put off by the tireless Bush bashing, and approach to the Killian memos. Tireless. And I never found his opinions on Iraq or Bush well-formed. The “Maher-like” garbage that caused Hitchens to lift the finger in the clip Tex located. I am surprised by the “friendship” because I find Hitchens at the other end of the intellectual spectrum from Carter. Hitchens seemed to love punching holes in cheap logic, which is what I found so much of Carter’s opinion to be (to the point of pandering). Hell, maybe Carter just knows how to make a good martini.

    FWIW I am not against good articles and VF sometimes contains them. So does Rolling Stone. They also frequently contain dumbed-down crap passed off as “intellectual” which is why Hitchens strikes me as someone that would distance himself from it. Perhaps I am wrong.

  84. Hitchens had the same common malady Newt Gingrich does. He thought of himself as smartest guy in every room, though he may have been the smartest guy in the room on many of those occasions. A clear command of the English language does not make one a subject matter expert in every category of life. Hitchens too much enjoyed being the focal point of attention for my tastes. A little of Hitch went along way.

    But the reason I could tolerate Hitchens, even enjoy listening to him for short bursts, was what he antagonistic to – clear propaganda. Weak lilies like Bill Maher, who always thinks of himself as the smartest man in the room and never is, unless Maher surrounds himself with people of the radical left; perhaps the dumbest people this side of those prostrating themselves to dead Dear Leader at this minute.

    Maher is a poseur, catering to the superficial audience. In his movie Religulous, Maher purposely sought out the weird, the imbalanced, the loony and posed them as typical followers of Christ. If Maher were to debate a decent theological apologist, much less someone like William Lane Craig, Maher would immediately be exposed as a foul mouthed HBO simpleton and a laugh track.

    You’ll notice most of these leftists like those you find on MSNBC never leave their comfort zone, and the debate is always on their turf.

  85. Hey Rutherford? Would you like me to expose the lying pandering for clean drinking water and the environmental risks posed to the Ogallala aquifer? You never answered my question the other night in your weak retort.

    Here’s a map of pipeline coverage as it currently exists in the United States. Take a good hard look at the specific states of Eastern Wyoming, Colorado and New Mexico, the the Western part of states Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas in this map. Do you notice anything ironic about the dire warnings of the XL Pipeline and its pending disaster to the Ogallala aquifer? 🙄

    The states and geographics listed above are the Ogalalla aquifer.

    See how really bad information leads to really bad conclusions, Sparky?

  86. Upon further review, Obama trying to nix the XL Pipeline begins to make a little more sense. Once again, we see the Archangel of the Dimocratic party with his oily hands in the dough:

    I’m beginning to think Warren Buffett and Mr. Potter from It’s a Wonderful Life have a great deal in common. Only Warren has more of the “Aw Shucks Boys…” as he reams the caudal region.

    Therefore, I have greater respect for Mr. Potter.

  87. I agree the VF article evokes emotion, but is not emotionally written. There is a difference. Hitchens’ articulation and his narrative do well to describe his ordeal in a real and concise way, but from an analytic perspective. Imagining ourselves going through his ordeal is what elicits emotion.

    I appreciate the level of intelligence he brought to the table. I don’t agree with many of his views, but he was always well prepared in defense of his POV. He does come off as arrogant quite often. But then confidence and arrogance often share the same stride.

    As for news sources, I think it tough to find any that are consistent in providing solid and unbiased information today. Even the tabloids occasionally offer some amazing true stories. Then we have serious “news” sources often reporting celebrity fluff.

    Often readership and ratings overrule content. Too bad. But that is the world we have become. We just have to learn to separate the wheat from the chaff. 😀

  88. This is XL Pipeline story gets dirtier by the article. I have been negligent in following this closer.

    From a Nebraska resident that links the money exchange between Obama the money changers of the Dimocratic Temple of Progressive Politic. I really like American Thinker, by the way:

    Isn’t about time Mr. Buffett start being exposed as anything but the benevolent philanthropist and financial wizard?

  89. Hey G, I know the middle east is your bailywick but I wondered if you had any thoughts on North Korea. With Kim Jong Il gone, do we have a potential nuke problem down there?

    Anyone else have any insights?” – R

    Kim Il Un will have to establish himself as the head dog. He didn’t have a lot of time to do that, compared to his father at least. I don’t think he’ll lose control of a nuke- if they have one (functional at least)- but he could easily get stupid and start a war because he doesn’t get the game the North and South have played of the years. We can only hope that the people stand up and whoop his ass, but that population is so brainwashed and informationally ignorant that I don’t think that’ll occur anytime soon.

  90. So Gorilla, you don’t buy Jay Carney’s assertion that previous First families have flown to their destinations on military jets without the President?

    I’m still wondering … if Obama doesn’t get to Hawaii at all because of congressional masturbation, is the First Family supposed to cancel their vacation plans?

    I suffer under no illusion that the First Family and my family get to live the same lifestyle. Being President carries some perks. It always has in recent history.” – R

    My response: You Can’t Fix Stupid

  91. Tigre
    Maybe Carter liked riding Hitchens’ coat tails and will do whatever it takes to sell a magazine. Maybe Hitchens needed the media outlet also.

    Regarding the word emotion, one description is a strong feeling about somebody or something. I got the feeling Hitchens had a “strong feeling” regarding cancer and his pending demise. He sounded clinical but so do oncology doctors.
    I guess everyone has their own method of expressing emotion.

    Be sure and tell Graydon I said hello next time you guys get together 😆

  92. I’m a bit surprised RealClearPolitics would take such a cheap shot at Frank.

    He’s not alone in having man-boobs. He just needs to choose his wardrobe a bit more carefully.

  93. I’m not as concerned about Frank’s moobs, as I am about what lies beneath them. Frank is an absolutely reprehensible and arrogant man of heart, mind and lisping tongue, and can not be mocked enough to suit my tastes.

    Frank should be hanged,drawn and quartered since he wasn’t imprisoned like he should have been years ago. A complete and utter douche bag, hiding behind, then openly misusing his position of authority. Hang what’s left out for the maggots, or send him off to UBL land. He makes my stomach turn – the lowest of the low.

    There are some hideous lies that can’t be hidden about evil. Barney Frank was one.

    Here’s another, courtesy of night time satellite:

  94. Wow, North Korea is leading the conservation movement in the world regarding light pollution. That’s a bad thing because? Iguess if that’s the “evil” meter, Vegas must be heavenly. 😀

  95. However, your buddy Kim Jong obviously preferred the lights on. Makes it easier to budget for the nukes.

    Kind of like America’s leading conservationists like Al Gore seem to prefer the beachfront in the midst of rising seas or private jet over coach, or John Kerry prefers to park his yacht housed in the lower taxed states, or Michael Al-Moore owns his Halliburton stock, or Paul Krugman consults for Enron, or Michelle Antoinette prefers swordfish sliders over mustard greens and her airplane without Barack.

    Funny how that works, hey? Carbon footprints and taxes are for little people.

    A little more of leading from behind from the Left.

  96. “but that population is so brainwashed and informationally ignorant that I don’t think that’ll occur anytime soon.” – G

    I guess now we know where the teabaggers have been hiding. 😉

  97. I guess now we know where the teabaggers have been hiding.

    No need to hide, when we have been dipping the sack in your own mouth for over a year. Just wait until we go for the choking dip next year. 😉

  98. Tex, that picture is amazing. If Apple really wants to change the world, they should air drop about a million pre-loaded I-pads on that country. The genie would never get back in the bottle.

  99. “No need to hide, when we have been dipping the sack in your own mouth for over a year- “T

    That’s why I know when to close it. 🙂 Speaking of which, the Republican’ts are flapping their gums double time explaining why raising taxes on millionaires is a deal-breaking non-starter, but raising taxes on lower and middle class working stiffs is not really a tax hike. Probably because a lot of them are millionaires. Jerks.

  100. “Seriously Michael Moore owns Haliburton stock?” – R

    When CNBC questioned him on this very point at OWS he said he owns just enough to allow him to get proxy info, vote and show up at shareholder meetings. He mentioned oil and healthcare companies, I don’t remember if he named Cheney’s bitches too.

  101. Well, the optics and what Thor just said isn’t true either. I’m sure that is what people like Thor were told and I don’t suggest that Thor is lying, but Moore did. I fault Thor for playing dupe. I charge Michael Moore not only as liar, but world class hypocrite. All Moore needs for a proxy vote is one share of stock. Exactly the number of shares held by Moore of GM stock when he made his name filming “Roger and Me.”

    Michael Moore is right. He doesn’t own a single share. He owns tens of thousands of shares – including nearly 2,000 shares of Boeing, nearly 1,000 of Sonoco, more than 4,000 of Best Foods, more than 3,000 of Eli Lilly, more than 8,000 of Bank One and more than 2,000 of Halliburton, the company most vilified by Moore in “Fahrenheit 9/11.”

  102. Probably because a lot of them are millionaires. Jerks

    From the party of a Buffett, a gates, a Soros, a Kaiser, a Kerry, a Rockeller, a Pelosi, a Feinstein? 😆

    I assume you’re covering DIM CYA for FICA deduction, Thor? What a joke…if it’s such a swell deal, tell your party to vote for it for a year and be done with it.

  103. Actually, in the interview I was thinking of, he says he doesn’t own ANY stock. I find that hard to believe, but by googling the Haliburton take, all I can find is a bunch of blog entries surrounding the release of a book in 2005 or 06. I don’t think optics matter to Moore. He’s not running for office, he’s selling his movies. Controversy aids that effort.

  104. Link for 150 please. The two month deal is to avoid the deadline while a year or longer deal is made. Boehner won’t even bring it up for a vote. If our taxes go up, it puts every Republican’t on the hook, including the ass-clown panel that raised their hand at the presidential debate.

  105. “Isn’t about time Mr. Buffett start being exposed as anything but the benevolent philanthropist and financial wizard?”

    Tex, Isn’t that how the Godfather wants to be remembered? Following Buffet’s career I never thought of him as you have described. Maybe as he aged that is the image he now and/or the media wants to portray.

    Thanks for the link regarding the pipeline. I had not been aware of all the controversy but it would make sense that Buffet would invest to his benefit.

  106. If you paranoid goons from the Left want to watch some good cable TV (for once) and get away from those mindless dumbasses on MSNBC, and you think you won’t die of stroke watching “Faux” News, Bill O’Reilly is actually very good tonight. Believe it is back on at 11:00 EST.

    Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich are both being interviewed – and the interviews aren’t a bunch of softball questions either. Clinton slithered as he always does, but even I’ll admit believing 98% of the Dimocratic party is the bane of American existence, the guy is slick but smart.

    If only Obama could be a 1/10 as smart.

  107. “The two month deal is to avoid the deadline while a year or longer deal is made.”

    They already passed one. If this is so important, make the longer deal now. Quit wasting valuable time with this stop-gap kinda shit.

  108. I have to tell you, I hope someone here without a partisan axe to grind understands this payroll tax fiasco better than I do. Why on Earth did the Senate send a two month band-aid to the House for approval? Now Boehner may be full of sh*t but if I take him at his word, I have to agree with him. Either make it 12 months or forget about it.

  109. The senate wants to force the GOP into as many votes as possible because each vote is another chance to try and make them look like they want to kill granny, kids and small helpless animals.

    That’s also why we haven’t had a real budget since the GOP took the House.

  110. “The senate wants to force the GOP into as many votes as possible because each vote is another chance to try and make them look like they want to kill granny, kids and small helpless animals.” – Huck

    Then why did it pass 89-10? Are their GOP senators that are trying to make the GOP look bad? And why are GOP senators making statements like this …

    Brown issued a statement after Tuesday’s House vote that said House Republicans “would rather continue playing politics than find solutions.”

    “Their actions will hurt American families and be detrimental to our fragile economy,” said Brown.

    The GOP have had since September (Remember when Boenher wouldn’t allow the President to speak when he requested because the world just couldn’t wait another day to find out how stupid Rick Perry was.) to work out a reasonable deal. Instead, they used this deadline as a bargaining chip for big oil. Win or lose, they are making their priorities pretty clear.

  111. Would you like it for Christmas? – Tex

    Looks like a he said he said, no real proof there. But if Santa were to drop it in my stocking I’d make good use of it … as a Yule log. 😉

    Zags jumped them for 14 straight at the beginning of the game and never looked back. Your Tulsa OR boys gave them a much better fight.

  112. That imagery of North Korea has been around for years. If you want to know what feudal asia looked like 300 years ago, go to central North Korea.

  113. Thor, you seem to have contracted the Poolman disease of believing what you want to believe, rather than what is. Even presented with proof, you stay in denial. Do you seriously believe if the charges were not true, somebody of Moore’s questionable character and money would not have sued for defamation, considering the damage that did to his already tarnished reputation?

    Not a man of serious debate, IMO. A liberal hack in the traditional sense.

    But you like college basketball, so you’re not all bad.

    ORU is actually probably the second best team in the state. OSU sucks, and though I like Travis Ford, at $2MM a year, it is probably time for Travis to begin looking for another job. He’s simply not cutting it anymore, and attendance has dropped in half since arrival, not all due to his fault.

    Hard to believe less than seven years ago, Gallagher Iba Arena (OSU’s home floor) was voted the rowdiest, best arena in all of college basketball by CBS Sports – even surpassing Duke and Phog Allen. Now it sits about 1/2 empty most nights, thanks to overpriced tickets, a horrid AD Director, and mediocre basketball.

  114. “Do you seriously believe if the charges were not true, somebody of Moore’s questionable character and money would not have sued for defamation,” – T

    So, anyone not sued for defamation is telling the truth? Am I to believe everything Poolman says is true, or have you filed your suit against him? 😉

  115. G, I’m gonna repost your quiz on the latest post to make sure everyone gets a chance to try it.

    Thor, I resisted the urge to use none of the above but I agree with you. I particularly didn’t like the alternatives on social security. I don’t want the age raised but I do want means testing.

  116. My results were Ron Paul, Rick Perry, Barack Obama… Except for Perry, the quiz is accurate regarding my preferences. I guess my primary disdain for Perry isn’t based on his positions on the issues as presented.

    Am I to believe everything Poolman says is true

    Gospel, of course. 😀 I can’t attest to what you believe, but what I present is as true as I can ascertain from what I have discovered. But I am still learning new stuff everyday, so some theories and truths are in flux. 😉

  117. @173 Poolman, I hope you understand, that wasn’t a shot at you. I just wanted to pick the person most at odds with Tex and apply his “non-litigation as proof of truth” theory. I suppose I should have used myself instead.

    Perry showed up on mine, too. I need to take a shower. 🙂

  118. So, anyone not sued for defamation is telling the truth? Am I to believe everything Poolman says is true, or have you filed your suit against him?

    I suppose I should be offended by this level of profound ignorance.

    First, Poolman hasn’t published a book (yet) slandering Tex, and if he did, it might sell five copies – the liberals on this board; and two, for the second the Flint Fatman didn’t deny it once the proof was shoved in his pumpkin face – he finally said it was in a “trust” for his “charity.”

    I can’t believe Thor a man of your good taste in basketball would defend somebody of the clear character deficiency and proven fraud of one Michael Moore. You sure you don’t have a wardrobe of Che shirts? 😈

  119. My results were:

    Huntsman 50.1% 3/11 issues
    Romney 47.8% 3/11 issues
    Bachmann 45.6% 2/11 issues

    After that it went Newt, Santorum, Paul and Perry tied. And Obama finished last.

    I also didn’t care for all of the answer options, but DID answer “none of the above” when applicable.

  120. I hope you understand, that wasn’t a shot at you. I just wanted to pick the person most at odds with Tex and apply his “non-litigation as proof of truth” theory. I suppose I should have used myself instead.

    I AM vying for his number one. He is my standard after all, though lately he’s wavered a bit. There’s a pole shift afoot in the force. 😎

    As to “a shot at you”(me), don’t worry about that. I come with full armor to this group. Trust me, I’m accustomed to being shot at. 😀

  121. it might sell five copies – the liberals on this board

    No Tex, you have to at least double that. Poolman’s family members would buy copies. 😉

    😆 Touche’. Now that you mention it, I know Mrs. Poolman would be in for several copies, if our resident bulls eye has passed on the back and forth like I think he has.

    If I am ever to die at the hands of an enraged Poolman, I say the chances best one with the functional boobs will be doing the shooting.

  122. Functional boobs are the most amazing thing ever. 😀

    I must say Mrs poolman does get a certain sparkle in her eyes when handling cold hard steel. It’s both titillating and scary. 😐

  123. I must say Mrs poolman does get a certain sparkle in her eyes when handling cold hard steel. It’s both titillating and scary.

    Every family to be complete has to have a functional set of boobs, and a functional set of balls.

    In a few families, one person has to carry the entire package. 🙂 It’s a heavy burden – no pun intended.

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