Foreclosure of the Fourth Estate

Earlier this week I was watching an interview of GOP presidential hopeful Michele Bachmann on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe”. Ms. Bachmann told the hosts and other assembled guests that she thought everyone should pay some sort of tax, even ten dollars, as she put it, so everyone has a stake in America. I fully expected Joe, or Mika or even Willie to ask the congresswoman from Minnesota how she could say this when she told an audience at a debate not too long ago that the ideal tax rate for everyone should be 0%. As I often do while watching TV, I asked the question aloud to Ms. Bachmann and waited for my trusted journalists to echo my words.

Crickets.

Anyone paying the barest of attention to the GOP presidential nomination race would have spotted this inconsistency yet the hosts of “Morning Joe” just let it slip right on by. Before anyone accuses me of being a partisan attack dog, look at the following three stories and tell me how much the main stream media has covered them:

  • Solyndra — when we are supposedly fed up with crony capitalism this story of an ill-advised loan to a poorly run energy company with evidence pointing to undue pressure from the White House, has received relatively little attention.
  • Fast and Furious — guns end up in the hands of Mexican criminals with the involvement of the US Justice department. Attorney General Eric Holder and other Justice staff give incorrect information to Congress. Depending on your politics, the deception was either deliberate or not.
  • $7.2 trillion in tax payer money doled out by the Fed without congressional knowledge much less approval.

Now it’s not that you can’t find these stories if you search for them but they are hardly leading news broadcasts.

When I was a kid, television news came from the big three networks, ABC, CBS and NBC. News anchors were assumed to be objective. This is why when, for example, Walter Cronkite came out against the Vietnam War it was a major shock to the system. Now there are cable networks entirely devoted to news and two of them have an obvious bias, MSNBC on the left and Fox on the right. It is now possible to sit down to a night of “news” coverage devoted to portraying an opposing political viewpoint as either dumb, dangerous or at worst treasonous. This kind of reporting leaves out facts that interfere with the politics of the reporters.

The most important purpose of a free press is to accurately inform the average citizen. It is supposed to even the playing field and enable us to better participate in our democracy. It seems what we have now are sloppy journalists who don’t do their homework before interviews and let politicians get away with inconsistencies and contradictions or news professionals who flaunt their political bias.

One thing we didn’t have when I was a kid was the Internet. Now with Google and a little patience, we can weigh the differing sides of a story and come to our own conclusions. Each of us must become our own news aggregator. Either we do that or we wait until comedian Jon Stewart’s “Daily Show” covers a news item better than the so-called professionals will.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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632 thoughts on “Foreclosure of the Fourth Estate

  1. From the post:

    The most important purpose of a free press is to accurately inform the average citizen. It is supposed to even the playing field and enable us to better participate in our democracy.

    emphasis mine
    There in lies your answer R

  2. One thing we didn’t have when I was a kid was the Internet.

    That IS a vast improvement. So far, so good. 😐

    I say we strap it to the first amendment. 😉

    Do you know how many true journalists have given their life to get a story? Staggering. There are plenty that are blacklisted from MSM sources today. Some were prominent and award-winning. But they strayed off the range.

    There are taboo topics, which really defeats the whole concept of a free press. One more example where privatization and market dominance has crippled us, imo.

    Where competition stands for ratings which equate to market share and ultimately profit, there is real incentive to entertain and establish a symbiotic relationship that surpasses the urgency to inform.

    The internet runs primarily counter to that now, although there have been legislators trying to change that.

  3. Huck, I’ll be sure to check out Manufacturing Consent.

    Alfie, are you saying our news sources are deliberately at cross purposes to what they should be doing? Please elaborate.

    Poolman, you’re damn right that reporters risk their very lives when the topic they cover is too hot.

    Rabbit, thanks for the compliment. How are those parasites doing? I hate to even imagine your predicament.

  4. I refuse to debate in these senseless things anymore.

    Michelle Bachmann’s point is well taken. Everyone – including the 50% who pay no federal tax should pay something in federal tax. And every time they are raised, everyone working or not, should be forced to pay accordingly.

    One thing I have noticed different about FOX and MSNBC – whether FOX News hard right wing or not, they do allow commentary always represented from the other side. Even Hannity. MSNBC’s night time lineup is nothing but leftist hacks. Moral cowards.

    Here’s why I really came here:

    On Netflix, Downfall is now available for “instant” viewing. It is the story of Hitler’s Bunker – the last 10 days according to Hitler’s personal secretary. It’s in German with words closed captioned in English. It is easy to follow. Most of you would recognize it from the Hitler rant frequently used to dub words and make mockery of something.

    If you have access, I think you would find the movie most interesting. It is not a movie kids should watch as there are many disturbing scenes. But it will give you a feeling of how wicked men can be and how futilethe outcomes of war really are. I gave it five stars – very seldom do I do that.

  5. My free Netflix expired.

    Rutherford, after looking at that video a bit I was reminded that the movie is more about Chomsky than it is about his book by the same title. The movie gets into it a little bit, but the book talks a lot about how readers and viewers are commodities for advertising and how that affects news and the MSM. This blog post made me think about it.

  6. Alfie, are you saying our news sources are deliberately at cross purposes to what they should be doing? Please elaborate.
    Yes that is exactly what I am saying.The US media has a lot of potholes along its storied road. Whether it is the hyper agenda driven bias found in many outlets today,the willful and shameful compliance with FDR throughout his admin,or the classic yellows of the late 19th and early 20th century there is instance after instance where the media chose against the common good.

  7. @ #2
    Although it is a comment on a blog thread it has to be said that on its surfaces of that comment has an overly simplistic view.
    One more example where privatization and market dominance has crippled us
    The despots of the ME,the Nazis,Soviets,Russians today,China, North Koreans and on and on absolutely agree that free private media is a joke.
    The closing of the comment gets right to the biggest nub though. The media caters to a stupid population that it then in turn helps to dumb down even further. Some turn to the internet as a source of information salvation. The internet is an immense source of misinformation and stupidity.
    You get out of the world what you put into it. When people become dumb and numb they have nobody else but themselves to blame for the state of affairs.

  8. CRAP!!!! R free hits for you. Apparently you can’t “type” the code without WP thinking you’re attempting code. Help a Bruins fan out brother give me some italic closure up there.

  9. Either we do that or we wait until comedian Jon Stewart’s “Daily Show” covers a news item better than the so-called professionals will.

    It’s important to set the record straight. Rutherford’s posts always need rebuttal and correction. And I need a donut. 😉 I started to do this on Gorilla’s blog as guest host. But the subject matter isn’t worthy or interesting enough of a second thread.

    For whatever reason, the nature of journalism is that it is more appealing to liberals than Conservatives. I suspect because it is one of the easiest majors in college, doesn’t require any form of higher level mathematics, logic and little critical thinking, notorious for grade inflation and puff classes. It’s a form of acting. So many of them now are you hostess and table cleaners at the restaurants you eat, or gift wrappers at Macy’s, or mostly government workers of public unions in low beef administrative jobs. The best in the brightest in the world are not coming here to be reporters or journalists. They are coming here for the science, technology and business.

    It has been my experience while in college, most liberals have little capability of what could be defined as productive work. The one field I did find them in large numbers that could be defined as difficult major was the Computer Engineering field, which is not surprising because it requires a degree of creativity – an art if you will. Silicon Valley would be an example. Liberals can sculpt and paint, but they can’t build a house. They can campaign, but they can’t run a drilling rig. Most liberals I know tend to be effete. That’s why the difficult majors in college and the military are generally majority right and independents, while the News, Hollywood and OWS are dominated by liberal arts type.

    Poolman’s claims of intellect trending left are ludicrous – it’s just the opposite as college student, unless you think French Literature, Afro American studies, Conflict Resolution, Religion, English Lit, philosophy are more difficult than say chemical engineering. In my book, to be a dependent of government is not intellect; it’s weakness. To be a big government proponent of clear failure and bloat is madness. To believe sticking your pecker up a man’s rectum is the equivalent of a woman’s vagina, a mental illness. Most college professors were not the brightest of their class. Many would have difficulty operating in corporate America, or couldn’t make it in corporate America. In my 20 years, I worked with many as consultants, and all but a few were both ridiculously expensive and worthless.

    Jon Stewart? He’s generally five days behind the times and more biased than MSNBC; a counter puncher. A secular Jew that hates religion and hates Conservatives – an extension of Hollywood. Anybody that thinks Jon Stewart isn’t a hardcore extreme leftist with the occasional sense of humor isn’t dealing with reality. I admit I find Stewart probably the one talented lib on the tube, still appealing to the unsophisticated audience, but lets not kid ourselves – there is no balance with Jon Stewart. Like most secular Jews, he is as hard left and self-absorbed as they come.

    Stewart is an extension of MSNBC. And you can add CNN and NPR to the lefty mix.

    What really burns progressives is that for 70 years, they have monopolized the news with leftist spin and propaganda. That is why they hate FOX – and explains why FOX is so popular. FOX provides a modicum of balance that didn’t exist 15 years ago. Before that, the only outlet Conservatives had was AM radio , and before that the bogey man was Rush Limbaugh – not Sean Hannity.

    The last 15 years have taught us much, verified much. For example, we now realize FDR was an egotistical pig and political thug, and his greatness was a lie, though it took Obama trying to follow the fallacy of Keynesian economics to verify that. We now know that Walter Cronkite, Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw were all hardcore, humanistic liberals, and at least two congenital liars. We don’t question anymore that Scott Pelley and Katie Couric are lackeys for the left. They practically admit as much without shame.

  10. You get out of the world what you put into it. When people become dumb and numb they have nobody else but themselves to blame for the state of affairs.

    Ultimately, we ARE responsible for our own actions and/or ignorance. I agree there. I also agree with the premise that “we reap what we sow”, however there is a HUGE disinformation campaign in place. There has been an ongoing effort to shape and control humankind by those in “think tanks” who determine policies and directions the rest of us should follow.

    I was in marketing, I know its intent. Before the internet, we were limited in what we COULD learn. We were required to trust those imparting the information to us. Assurances we made of the integrity of that information. It turns out that much of it was false or distorted. Winners write history and losers are generally misrepresented.

    So, even though the internet is “an immense source of misinformation and stupidity”, it is also a rich source of knowledge and discovery. But it does take discernment.

  11. There has been an ongoing effort to shape and control humankind by those in “think tanks” who determine policies and directions the rest of us should follow.

    Not for nothing but I find it interesting that someone who brought up the “intellectuals” discussion in the previous thread says this.

  12. As usual Tex launches a series of stereotypes with little foundation in fact. It’s lunchtime (I had my donut for breakfast) so I’ll be brief and hit just one of Tex’s ludicrous charges.

    I’ve paid a decent amount of attention to Tom Brokaw. If I were a betting man I’d say he privately leans RIGHT in his politics not left. If you look at his written word, I doubt the “Greatest Generation” celebrated leftist politics. How many hard core libs do you see holding aloft the veterans of WWII? Brokaw seems obsessed with the generation that preceded the baby boomers. Sorry, that doesn’t sound leftist to me.

    One more thing … it is the typical tactic of the lazy mind to dismiss philosophy as a worthless area of study. I don’t say this as one immersed in the great philosophers. On the contrary, I find them hard to read (Plato’s Republic was murder and I abandoned it). But to live on this Earth and not find value in considering the issues brought up in philosophy is to be incredibly shallow.

    I’d venture to say religion and philosophy are closely linked.

    P.S. Ok I lied … I hit TWO of Tex’s ludicrous charges. 🙂

  13. How many hard core libs do you see holding aloft the veterans of WWII?

    Not for nothing but…Tom Hanks and Steven Speilberg for starters.

    Brokaw is kind of interesting case. If you look at what he has said and done as well as how he’s reported on various issues you could make a case in either direction on the spectrum. I’ve seen a quote attributed to him about being unregistered or independent and how that is how journalists should be. It rings somewhere between hollow and phony holier than thou to me.

  14. It rings somewhere between hollow and phony holier than thou to me.

    I was simply arguing against Tex’s assumption vs defending Brokaw per se. I actually find him rather pompous. One of the famous chapters in Brokaw lore is when he was hosting the Today Show and had to interview actress Charlene Tilton of “Dallas” fame. Brokaw is quoted as saying this interview is what told him he had to leave the Today Show. Ahhhh yes, interviewing Tilton was “beneath” him. That story always pissed me off. So I’ve always viewed Brokaw as a bit too in love with himself.

    I find Brian Williams way more down to earth with a sense of modesty and a willingness to poke fun at self.

  15. I started to do this on Gorilla’s blog as guest host.

    Ahhhhh FINALLY!!!! After years of baiting by me, Tex finally succumbs to the urge to blog.

    I subscribe to G’s blog so I’m looking forward to reading Tex’s first piece.

    It will be interesting Tex to see you exhibit the discipline to write a piece. One of the things that always gave me a chuckle in the early days was you and Rabbit ragging on me when neither of you would put virtual pen to paper on your own. Not the same for G, BiW, Huck, Alfie and yes Sensico, who at least put their neck out there and write stuff.

    So Tex … good for you! Now let’s see what comes out of you. 🙂

  16. And now that I’m done damning Tex with faint praise, time for more critique:

    They are coming here for the science, technology and business.

    In other words, they’re coming here for the money. The premise of a liberal arts education is to produce well rounded people. Folks who can solve an equation AND argue the merits of Hayek economics. Back in the 80’s (I can’t speak for now) schools like Harvard had a “core curriculum” that demanded exposure to wide variety of disciplines. Had it not been for that, I guarantee I would never have taken “The Concept of the Hero in Hellenic Civilization” (nicknamed “Heroes for Zeroes” 🙂 )

    I think it’s a sign of sickness in this country that young folks are not drawn to service, not drawn to representative government, not drawn to activism. They’re drawn to money. I don’t have the stats to back up this statement but I think it’s fair to say business school enrollment has increased dramatically in the past 20 years. College kids want to go work at a hedge fund instead of teacher, community lawyer or even doctor.

    Liberals can sculpt and paint, but they can’t build a house.

    Unsubstantiated nonsense. One of the things I see on Twitter from the few folks who follow Rutherford Lawson is their bios say some unusual things like “southern construction worker and life long liberal”. My own assumptions about who is liberal and who is not have been challenged over the past four years of blogging.

    Whether or not you are liberal has to do with how you see your fellow man and the world at large and not a thing to do with your skill set.

    Finally:

    Jon Stewart? He’s generally five days behind the times and more biased than MSNBC; a counter puncher.

    Never talk about a show you don’t watch Tex. You are half right in your statement … Stewart is often day behind … cos it’s a f*cking comedy show!!!! There is no imperative on his being current. You’ve missed the entire point of the closing statement of my post. Jon doing COMEDY gives more clarity to issues, albeit five days later, than George Stephanapolous.

    Just within the past four weeks, Stewart highlighted the hypocrisy of the Occupy movement (which I featured in a blog post) and gave the best explanation of the 7.2 trillion dollar ripoff committed by the Fed. Neither story blatantly leftist oriented.

    Does Jon lean left? Sure he does. So what? Even the left are right twice a day. 😉 But Jon’s primary consistent theme is the failure of partisan politics and the impotence of our current government as a result of partisan politics. And he fires his gun at both parties.

    I’ve seen him skewer Obama speeches.

    So bottom line Tex, when it comes to The Daily Show, you just don’t know what you’re talking about. In fact, The Colbert Report is far more subversive because Stephen Colbert pretends to be a Bill O’Reilly conservative commentator and in so doing, mocks conservatives on a nightly basis.

  17. “How many hard core libs do you see holding aloft the veterans of WWII?”-R

    That alone should be a reason for this entire country to tell the nearest “lib” to go fuck off.

  18. Poor Donald Trump. Five of the surviving seven candidates have turned him down for his “debate” on 12/27. Look at the two who accepted: Newt Gingrich who figures he’s on a roll and can only gain by more exposure (AND he probably thinks Trump will go softball on him). And Rick Santorum, dead last in most polls, often behind Huntsman, who figures what does he have to lose?

    Apparently Donald told Imus that he’s pissed at Michele Bachmann for lack of “loyalty” because she told him in private that she would consider him for a VP slot on the ticket. 😆 😆 😆 I’m not fan of Bachmann but Donald’s a f*cking liar and I’d put money on it. Bachmann told him nothing of the sort. In fact, Michele is on a roll lately. Maybe losing Rollins from her team (and his subsequent badmouthing of her) has caused her to temper herself a bit.

    Anyway, I couldn’t be happier to see birther Donald’s debate on the skids. We’ll see how many folks tune into Ion TV to watch the frontrunner debate the lost cause. Just too f*cking funny for words. (BTW I do get Ion TV on my cable lineup but I wonder how many others do?)

  19. “The one field I did find them in large numbers that could be defined as difficult major was the Computer Engineering field, which is not surprising because it requires a degree of creativity – an art if you will. Silicon Valley would be an example.”

    Tex, not at all seeing what your point is here. Without computer engineering, you wouldn’t even be having this conversation with Rutherford.

    It’s always very funny to me that the branching out of the conservative echo chamber from the AM dial was made possible by a system funded and created by the government. And only after the heavy-lifting was done in ARPA was the private sector able to reap the benefits on its back (which I think is a model of government spending that unleashed private innovation). A phenomenal example of how a government project can accomplish what no private sector company would have taken on.

    And I definitely know that my liberal general contractor can build a house.

  20. Not BS at all Rabbit. I think you confuse skill set with culture. Some skill sets are found within certain cultural environments but the political affiliation has more to do with culture than skill set.

    As for your WWII comment, I don’t completely disagree with you. Hard core libs dismiss the importance of the military to their own embarrassment. But I submit hard core libs are to libs as radical Muslims are to Muslims.

    Hey c’mon … tell us more about the damn parasites? You’ve piqued my curiosity and left me high and dry. Did you get the first actual documented case of “cooties”? 😉

  21. Well-spoken, GypsyKat –

    In general I believe the govt incapable of doing anything right. Having said that, there are notable examples where the govt’s ability to do basic research without having to link it to a profit motive has given us some pretty spectacular things, the Internet being the best example.

    The problem with the govt in general is that it is self-perpetuating and ever-growing and we can’t afford that. A perfect example of THAT is the postal service. It is now the buggy-whip of the age; FedEx et al have taken all the business that requires ON TIME delivery and complete reliability, and most of the first-class mail is via email. They now are planning to improve their profitability by – you guessed it – carrying more junk mail, when what they need to do is downsize.

  22. I’ve paid a decent amount of attention to Tom Brokaw. If I were a betting man I’d say he privately leans RIGHT in his politics not left. If you look at his written word, I doubt the “Greatest Generation” celebrated leftist politics. How many hard core libs do you see holding aloft the veterans of WWII?

    He wrote it for his dad. Brokaw is as leftist as Stewart with a nicer voice. Another disingenuous comment like your incredibly idiocy about Bill Frist. Completely moronic piece of drivel.

  23. The premise of a liberal arts education is to produce well rounded people. Folks who can solve an equation AND argue the merits of Hayek economics.

    * Guffaw *

    Liberal arts degrees are so well rounded, you get to serve the round table with another drink. Another degree awarded for showing up. Makes libs bad at math and science feel good about an award like everyone getting a trophy at little league.

  24. Even the left are right twice a day.

    He finally admitted libs are blind squirrels. Thought I would never read it before I died. Don’t hold your breath about the subject material I pen at Gorillas. It will be about another in a long list of subjects you know nothing about.

    Get back to Comedy Central and get us some more outdated news.

  25. Gypsy, there’s always some exception to the rule. Probably a union hand that would as soon scalp the effete like Rutherford. I can hardly wait to watch the longshoreman beat the hell out of the feckless, effete lib crowd in Oakland this week. 😆

    But as a whole, liberals are like small children when gathered together. Helpless and soft, with big mouths.

    NASA is a great example of when government could still spend money effectively. Those days are long gone. Once they started the multicultural, affirmative action routine, they can’t find their ass with both hands.

    Now NASA’s goal is to dream up achievements for Islam and doctor data for AGW rubes.

  26. This could get rich. Union goons beating the hell out of the OWS stooges.

    And Gypsy. I’ll make a wager. Give the same amount of money to the private sector to finance infrastructure, and I’ll guarantee you will end up with better infrastructure.

    You guys and gals from the Left act like that what finances backbones are money magically appearing out of thin air. Pfesser is half right about the internet, but I would actually give Raytheon a bigger part of the credit. However, even if we are to give gov’t credit, you can thank the military budget for doing so. You know, that one part of government you leftists disdain?

    http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2011/12/09/the-coming-rift-between-ows-and-the-unions/

  27. “Makes libs bad at math and science feel good about an award like everyone getting a trophy at little league.”

    Yeah the only thing good about the liberal arts is that you get to learn cool stuff about history and such, and then use it to show when others don’t know what the hell they are talking about.

  28. “So many of them now are you hostess and table cleaners at the restaurants you eat, or gift wrappers at Macy’s”

    Wow Tex, it must really be hard to be you! You can’t even get a cup of Joe at Starbucks without being surrounded by flaming liberals much less eat out at a restaurant according to your comments in #12.

    ” They are coming here for the science, technology and business.”

    Should I assume you think those in the above fields are all conservatives?

    Somehow I feel you have really hung yourself out in “left field” with those comments.

  29. Huck, I’m going to enjoy watching you start teaching just about the time the bubble burst for higher education? I really am. Can’t think of a more deserving prick.

    They tell me part-time instruction at local U. don’t pay a fortune. Wait until the dam breaks. Consider that payback for your Jew and Christian baiting. 😈

  30. Raji,

    Wow Tex, it must really be hard to be you! You can’t even get a cup of Joe at Starbucks without being surrounded by flaming liberals much less eat out at a restaurant according to your comments in #12.

    We don’t have liberals in Oklahoma. We cleaned up our backyard years ago. 😉 President Zero won exactly 0 out of 77 counties in 2008. How do you think he’s going to play this time around?

    And I wouldn’t drink a $4.00 burnt cup of coffee if someone bought it for me, so I need not worry about Starbucks. Go for ribs and you don’t have to worry about libs, or worse. 😉

  31. I don’t really want to jump in2thisfray but something is really nagging me about it.
    First off I don’t think folks are being fair to the concept being applied when looking upon “liberal arts” negatively. When I take a whizz on LA ed I don’t aim for the math,science,history type of courses. I’m full stream though on shit like Comparative analysis of Lesbianism in 18th Century French literature.Yeah you’re of obscure laughable interest at a party but WTF are you doing for society? Yourself? I also think a number of degree programs that are designed to promote community activism as a career and some kind of boon for the nation are garbage.

    The US education system is akin to a paranoid schizophrenic. I’m sorry folks but there really isn’t a set template that I can stock any faith into re the US liberal arts program.
    In too many cases a four year LA degree seems more like a massive waste of time and money as they appear to have a makeup as follows. 50% teaching you shit you should’ve learned in HS, 25% shit you’ll need not to be like a deer in the headlights when you go to grad school and 25% ” I fucking rock at Trivial Pursuit”.

    In MA. the “colleges” are changing their names to “university”. They’re doing this so as to avoid confusion that foreign applicants have about the naming process and perceived value attached to the title. On a related note an example of something scary. I recently saw how parents in India are bemoaning that US Ivy schools are fallback schools for their high achieving kids.
    Does this help anyone?

  32. Don’t hold your breath about the subject material I pen at Gorillas. It will be about another in a long list of subjects you know nothing about.

    Just write the first article big shot. Maybe I’ll learn something. 😕

  33. I watched the last part of the debate. It resembled a motivational speaking event. I don’t know how the first part went. They seemed to give RP a fair amount of time.

    Rabbit, I heard if you drink a bottle of mescal and eat the worm, it kills ALL the bad shit.

    But I think it’s a lie, and I sworn off tequila decades ago. That shit can kill you, or make you wish for death.

    When I lived in El Paso, we used to walk over the border and buy a bottle for about 4 bucks. I never could eat the worm. 😐

  34. “In too many cases a four year LA degree seems more like a massive waste of time and money … ”

    Wasn’t for me and the vast majority of Program Managers I work with in the Internet industry who are all earning six figures. Majority of PM’s I deal with are liberal arts majors. Go figure. But then what would a bunch of liberals in Silicon Valley, Seattle, and other tech centers know about job creation? Oh yeah, a lot!! Given how many jobs we create.

    Stereotypes are fun to type, but rarely exist.

  35. Poolman, maybe what the boys here say about my ignorance of conservative politics has some truth. I came away with a different impression than the pundits who did after-debate analysis. I thought Romney had a pretty good night and that Bachmann was on fire. Unfortunately the media (subject of this week’s RL post) likes to focus on one gaffe and run with it.

    When Romney got into a snit with Perry, he challenged him to a $10,000.00 bet. I sh*t you not. That’s three month’s salary to the average Iowa citizen. Folks think Romney committed debate and campaign suicide with that move. Showed himself to be completely out of touch with the “average guy”. I still think Romney sounded the most presidential and I think he handled Newt’s attack regarding losing to Kennedy extremely well.

    Bachmann as I said was on fire, but one analyst said she did herself no favors by fondly invoking the memory of Herman Cain.

    As usual, Ron Paul had a very good night and it won’t matter. 😐

    (Mr. “I’m all-in in New Hampshire” Jon Huntsman didn’t show up. Dumb move. I don’t know why he just doesn’t drop out of the race right now. Did he learn nothing from “I’m all-in in Florida” Rudy Giuliani in 2008?)

  36. Ahhhh Kat, as a certified PMP since 1995 I hear you loud and clear. It’s just a shame that with all our book learnin’ we still have an over 50% failure rate on projects. 😦

  37. Yeah, I may be thin skinned about these things. But, I have been disgusted out of my gourd. I caught pin worms. I work with all these mentally ill trailer park types and I wasn’t washing my hands before I ate lunch. Although I can’t be sure, I swear that’s how I caught them.

    During the whole ordeal (it seriously fucked with my head) I was also dealing with a bunch of shit at work.

    This kid comes in the morning saying I saved his life from suicide.

    I reported it to counseling.

    They never got back with me.

    The next day, an elaborate suicide note from the same kid is found in my class. So, an hour later, I make the call to walk said suicidal kid to counseling because I was showing a part of a documentary in which suicide is brought up more then once. (It was on Hitler).

    Can you imagine my responsibility if he offed himself?

    The parent responded the next day with a long email irate that I yanked the kid with out communicating with her first. She had already told me at conferences that the kid is fascinated with suicide and to ignore it.

    Although nobody ever told me, there is, in fact, a letter in the office from his shrink stating he is no harm to himself and to anyone else. (He threatened to kill all Baptists in the school last year and I was the one who turned him in)

    To me, fascination with the subject and explicit threats are too different things.

    Depending on the disability, special ed kids are often dealt with completely differently then the rest of the school population when it comes to acts of violence, bad behavior etc. (yet they now mix them in with the rest).

    For example, suspending a kid who is deemed Emotionally Impaired because of bad behavior isn’t the easiest legal thing to do. (At least its perceived that way.)

    Of course, without getting the info (he had no knowledge of the letter) my boss responds to the woman by saying he will “fix” the communication problem.

    You got to remember, its in the middle of the day. How I was supposed to call her is beyond me. (She works, and so was I!)

    And even if I did, I’m left with a “he said-she said” and all the responsibility. You think administration would have my back if the kid killed himself?

    Special Education is killing anything remotely worth salvaging from Public Schools.

    By the way, as it turns out, elaborate suicide notes found in class are a little bit disruptive.

    Don’t worry though, I’m just on the front lines. You will soon be in my world. Millions upon millions of kids who don’t play be the rules are soon to be unleashed. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

    http://blog.hreonline.com/2011/12/08/eeoc-high-school-diploma-may-violate-ada/

  38. “As usual, Ron Paul had a very good night and it won’t matter. ”

    Ron Paul reminds me of Churchill in the years leading up to WWII. A
    “Backbencher” for several years, he – like Cassandra – had tried to warn the Britons about Hitler and his toadies but was ignored. (Sorry, didn’t mean to bring any of that useless history and “liberal arts” stuff in.)

    Paul can see clearly the wrong road this country is on – a road well-traveled by nearly every doomed nation before us – but nobody is listening. We have a fine document called “The Constitution” whose purpose is to restrain our government from the kinds of folly and social experimentation by the pointy-headed elites that takes place every day – and is blatantly unconstitutional – but when called out, they just shrug and ignore it.

    My wife and I made our yearly pilgrimage to the Great Man’s mountain Friday, and as usual I walked down to his gravesite. Unfortunately I don’t enjoy my little trips like I used to, because all I can think of is how those bastards who get their mail in DC are destroying all his fine work. As I looked at the obelisk over Jefferson’s grave, all I could think of was, “Help us. Please. Help us.”

  39. Wasn’t for me and the vast majority of Program Managers I work with in the Internet industry who are all earning six figures. Majority of PM’s I deal with are liberal arts majors. Go figure. But then what would a bunch of liberals in Silicon Valley, Seattle, and other tech centers know about job creation? Oh yeah, a lot!! Given how many jobs we create.

    A time long ago, I actually carried a title commensurate with “project management.” Here’s my experience – the title project management most aptly describes those not talented enough “to do”, kind of like a bunch of old “managers” promoted through Peter Principle that appear throughout companies with unknown purpose. People called project managers not technically adept enough to add a comment to a line of code, that believe if they dick around enough with flowcharts and other assorted aptly named software like Microsoft Project (cough cough) long enough to create really sophisticated flow diagrams, “mining” data, method assignment and personnel, and other euphemisms, that they are invaluable – ultimately paralysis by analysis and one expensive failure after another. That’s still going on and companies haven’t figured it out yet?

    True story. My partner and I adopted one of those “project management teams” out of Boston that had spent $2.8MM of a budgeted $3.0MM without a line of code to show for it, but a complete book of wasted white paper running through somebody’s idea of analysis. They hired us out of desperation. It took my partner, still the best programmer I’ve ever met, his first two years at a Jr. College, exactly one hour and 45 minutes to create two stored procedures to move data from one computer to another. Took me one week to create the entire gooey system to retrieve the data. We charged them $5000.00 and they thought we were gods. A smart high school student could have done what I did. 😈 So don’t give me the corporate rhetoric about project management elevating America. Yeah, I know a whole bunch about the waste of project management from the personal experience of fixing their waste. That’s why China spanks our ass now.

    If those machinists and clerks in the office really knew how valuable a college education and project management leaders were to the success of business, they would resign in protest. Equally brain dead executive management had been convinced that an accounts receivable system equivalent to the critical paths and manpower scheduling of the Apollo mission.

    If you’re making six figures doing that, I would suggest you be adding a bunch of money to your 401K, because that certainly isn’t going to last forever. Frankly, I thought that ruse had ended with the equally feckless Y2K scare. And it’s no wonder America can’t compete on a global scale anymore if that is the truth.

    Now, where all those Reaganisms you were going to hang me with as you pompously claimed a week back when you came in here baiting? Let’s get back to something interesting…

  40. I am not looking to make a fortune, I am looking to contribute something to society.

    What’s your contribution?

    And exactly what would that contribution be? Financed Dhimmihood? That’s not a contribution. That’s a liability helping to lead your family further into the abyss.

    Alfie’s take is exactly right. And this is no three standard deviation from the norm. In my hometown, exactly 7% of the public high school graduates require no remedial education for matriculation into four year universities.

    You read that right. In a typical high school class, about three kids in an average size classroom are adequately prepared to take higher level education taught 25 years ago.

  41. Well I applaud the pettiness of the LA degree holders here.Bravo. Your honesty and integrity are awesome.Just keep in mind your education represents the cherry on a shit sundae compared to other developed nations on Earth.

    Romney bet. People piling on that he’s out of touch because 10k represents .005% of his fortune and that 10k is like a lot of money to Joe Mainstreet. That’s not the point. He absolutely PUNKED Perry.
    Pfessor # 47 thanks for the drama,guess thats part of your LA too. 🙂

  42. Well, well. I finally saw the Perry ad to see what all the outrage was about.

    Useless and irrelevant. An act of desperation. Even if Perry could win Iowa (he won’t), that act would be over in New Hampshire. Almost as dumb as the Rabbi’s parody from Pfesser’s link.

    However, the Rabbi though too dumb to notice, actually verified Perry’s poorly expressed point. There is indeed a cultural war ongoing in America, that secularists/liberals/atheists won while America lost.

    Something I would love to right about and juxtapose is success of the public school system, tracing the results when we begin to secularize the schools in the early 1960s to their now muddled politically correct stature.

    The correlation of failure is indisputable.

  43. “You read that right. In a typical high school class, about three kids in an average size classroom are adequately prepared to take higher level education taught 25 years ago.”

    Exactly my experience at a very small engineering school in WV fifteen years ago. I re-took college algebra and trig as a “refresher,” since I hadn’t seen any of it in twenty years before that. I realized immediately why I had such a tough time with calc in college in the ‘seventies. My HS math sucked donkey cranks. After the class was over, I asked the prof – who was a little older than me – what the grades were. Of 38 studs in my college algebra class, there was one “A.” Three “Bs.” Five Cs, Ds, Fs. Everybody else but those nine had already dropped out.

    His take on it was, “We are preparing all these kids to take engineering classes and they cannot survive unless they know some math. We are going bankrupt on our remedial classes, but that’s better than letting someone get to be a junior before he realizes he doesn’t have the skills to do the work.”

    Ask the teachers’ union and it’s all the parents’ fault. They never saw the parents of some of the kids I grew up with. But the system dealt with the unruly kids and parents as well – and had the means to do so. Not now. I hear the falls, just a few yards down the stream and we ain’t going to make it, Sam.

  44. You know Alfie. I’m not completely swung on Romney yet, but if that’s the most they have got to hang Romney with, that out of frustration with Rick Perry, he made a no lose wager of some great amount, that’s pretty lame.

    And if the choice is between Romney and Obama, the choice becomes very easy for me to make to make, and for any other candidate on that stage last night for that matter.

    This time, I watched the whole debate – the last 1/4 was a waste of time. And I would rate them in order of effectiveness:

    Newt
    Mitt
    Santorum
    Paul
    Bachmann
    Perry

    I’m actually looking forward to after Iowa, so we can get down to picking between Newt, Mitt and Ron Paul. Though Santorum is actually more impressive that I thought he would be, he is not electable – but definitely an asset. Bachmann and Perry should disband the attempt IMO.

    Ron Paul does actually have some valid points – I would like to nominate Paul to replace Ben Bernacke just for grins.

  45. Here’s something worse Pfesser.

    In the 1970’s, when Tulsa was flush with oil money and one of the richest, best kept secrets in America, our public school systems won one award after another – and were considered one of the ten best school systems in the nation continually winning the Freedom Foundation Awards. I was being taught trigonometry and geometry in the fourth grade, binary mathematics in the third ➡ by the Principal of the school no less.

    Soon thereafter, the “busing” started to “level the playing field.” Instead of leveling the playing field, we burned the field and stood around and watched.

    By the time I got to Jr. High, all that had changed. 95% of what I knew, was taught by K-6. That’s the honest truth.

  46. Well Tex I confess there is likely things folks can try to tie around Romneys neck but then again it is politics. I agree that post Iowa should be good. I don’t know if anyone else feels this way but I’m actually starting to believe it is a good thing the GOP is having this roller coaster episode.

    PF offers a great example of how the American political spectrum should unite against a common and crucial problem in #53.

  47. Tex –

    Absolutely true story – down to the last word.

    My oldest brother has lived in Cleveland since the late ‘fifties and raised a family of five there. During the busing debacle, a federal (I think) judge named Battista brought about forced busing; those who could not move scrambled to get their kids in private schools. The schools on the East Side were filled with hoodlums; they terrorized the kids from working-class families like my brother’s, who had never seen drugs, knifings and racial attacks. With five kids, my sister-in-law could not work outside the home and my brother’s salary as a chemist was stretched to the absolute limit, but they managed to get their kids educated.

    Fast forward to about (10 years ago or so, I think). Battista had died from Rocky Mountain spotted fever, I believe from a hunting trip out west. (I’m not sure of the details; my brother has Alzheimers and every time he tells the story it changes LOL.) The Cleveland Plain Dealer ran a contest for commentary on Battista’s life, since he had been such a controversial figure.

    Upon reading of the contest, my brother immediately whipped out a post card and submitted the following entry:

    “$5000 reward offered to anyone who can locate the tick that bit Judge Battista. I wish to buy him his own dog.”

  48. Alfie,

    Ironically, while Pfesser and I continue in the death throes of our gladiatorial slugfest, when religion is taken out of the equation, we agree on most things. I have a high regard for the field of radiology, because they are the best anatomists in the universe. And that was a class that I sucked donkey cranks. 🙂 My soon to be daughter doctor laughs at my ignorance. I told her, “You just wait until you turn 50 and see if you find ‘posterior circumflex humoral artery’ easy to memorize.” Rote memorization ain’t my thing anymore.

    Here’s where I am coming from Alfie. I think Mitt Romney is a smart man. I think he is a good man. He is infinitely better than John McCain. His choice of religion bothers me not, because though I don’t agree with Mormons, I have yet to meet one that wasn’t: decent, smart, family oriented, generous. It seemed like a quarter of medical class was Mormon and they were first rate people.

    There is not much I don’t like about Mitt Romney.

    But I find us in such terrible straights, I don’t think Romney enough of a visionary to pull off what needs to be done. I want a brawler this time – one to take the fight to Obama and his band of henchmen. I loved Newt’s answer last night on Palestine. Romney is too cautious – he knows the same damn thing but doesn’t have the balls to say it. And I like who Newt has said he would appoint. I want smart, straight shooters this time, with a huge set of cojones.

    And let’s face it. This will be the dirtiest campaign in history. Obama has nothing but class warfare to fight with – these bastards from the left will pull out every conceivable falsehood to win at all costs.

    Obama is such a dismal failure, and his record is the sorriest in history. All he can do is buy a vote. And you know what that means.

  49. “$5000 reward offered to anyone who can locate the tick that bit Judge Battista. I wish to buy him his own dog.”

    😆 😆 I love people like that. I swear, I wish America had more like him.

  50. Ron Paul does actually have some valid points – I would like to nominate Paul to replace Ben Bernacke just for grins.

    That would be like putting you in charge of Planned Parenthood.

    Some valid points? He’s consistent. Has integrity. IS conservative.

  51. That would be like putting you in charge of Planned Parenthood.

    Some valid points? He’s consistent. Has integrity. IS conservative.

    Great analogy, Poolman. There’s hope for you yet. 😀 And that is exactly why I would nominate Ron Paul as Chairman of the Fed.

    Don’t we all agree that we want accountability? Take two diverse groups like the Tea Party and OWS. The approach is 180 degrees different, but there is some overlap. We all agree that this obvious corruption taking place needs to be dealt with harshly. I can’t off hand think of anybody that would light a fire under the corruption more than Paul.

    And I readily admit Mr. Poolman. Concerning social issues, Ron Paul is certainly closer to my positions than any candidate, I think. I don’t know what his stance is on the death penalty. Do you happen to know?

  52. @64
    this thread nor any other for that matter could contain the depth of discussion needed to explore the issue.I’m begging ya’s not to go there.

  53. He’s consistent. Has integrity. IS conservative.Is politically irrelevant. Demonstrably oversimplistic. Parochial to the point of idiocy. Ineffective.

  54. “He’s consistent. Has integrity. IS conservative.Is politically irrelevant. Demonstrably oversimplistic. Parochial to the point of idiocy. Ineffective.”

    But other than that, he’s got it all. 😆

    (still better than Obama)

  55. Some points on education.

    Many more kids need remedial classes because many more kids go to college then before.

    College is presented as the only option. Hence, the hands on type needs to fail college before he realizes he’s a plumber. The trades are looked down upon. Somehow English Lit is deemed more important then being an electrician or carpenter. Self worth is pegged to how well you break down Shakespeare.

    Also, these rip off colleges sometimes screw you over with these “remedial” courses, cashing in big time on them. They made me take a math class I could have passed in 7th grade.

    I was a failing teacher when I worked in the hood. 95 percent pass rate when I moved to the upper class suburbs. Same exact class.

    I’m failing again because I’m apparently the only one who can handle the mentally ill and trailer park criminals.

    I don’t blame you for hating the teachers union. They are like ACORN. I can’t stand them, either. But, you blame the union way too much for the state of education.

    The problem with out a doubt is cultural. Their is a decline in math and science because society rejects the subjects. Nobody wants to be a engineer. The job sucks. Most I know are miserable.

    As for losing the education war against the Chinks, I think its over stated. When is the last time they invented anything since bottle rockets and a big ass wall?

    They are drones. Copy cat cheaters.

    The entire system needs to be knocked down. We can’t afford to send everyone for bloated bachelor degrees.

    We need many more 1 year and even 6 month tech schools.

    This would call for an entire new philosophy at the high school level.

    The military is the perfect model of education. 6 months and I understood why submarines made sounds and how to catch them so that would we could kill them, including using the equipment to do so. 6 months. I was a 17 year old loser.

  56. Correlation is not the same as causation.

    You’re kidding me? That’s the line I hear often from beginning stat students, thinking themselves statistically literate from the beginning stat class and taught that line from Day 2, immediately following the percentile of pink balls in an urn example. And even simple regression has causal models that are verified by correlation. Does it not?

    Well, being I probably helped develop some of the software you used to do your “simple regression analysis” from Stat 101 at Power U., and that was my minor in my undergraduate program, I feel fairly confident we can carry on this discussion further. Add to the fact, I had to complete not one but two classes of simply how to formulate questions of a survey, formulate a null hypothesis, and/or gather statistical data accurately before we ever made a calculation while obtaining my own Master’s degree, where would you like to start Huck in your questioning?

    Want to evaluate with something a little more complicated for causation? Say non-linear models requiring calculus and linear algebra? Did they teach you that in the liberal arts program?

  57. Rabbit,

    68 was one of your best posts ever. Funny, and still good. I agree wholeheartedly, especially the new discovery vis a vis America vs. everybody else – except one. The one Huck hates. Say, little old Israel? Do they count as white males? 😆 That has been exactly my experience – and why I still have great faith in the American ideal.

    Getting back to the environment that was conducive to achievement is the problem.

    Speaking of new design, I’ll go one step further to piss the politically correct off. In the comparison of men to women, which group has made the greater contribution to technical achievement? That ought to ruffle the rest of the feathers… 😀

  58. If Ron Paul got the nomination, the GOP would win the election. Hands down. Independents and even some democrats would get him there.

    If Gingrich gets it, you further split the electorate and Obama gets a second term. More folks remember and hate his smart ass than can trust him to run a tight ship.

    If Romney gets it, the GOP can win, but only if they knock another leg out from under Obama’s business platform.

    Perry’s soiled himself too much. Nobody wants Santorum or Bachmann, but they have become likable through the process, just not presidential material.

    Huntsman is too arrogant to play along with the process.

    Big money is on Romney. Big money HAS been getting their way.

    http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2011/12/presidential-candidates-go-head-to-.html

  59. One of the reasons I am so adamantly against dramatically cutting the “Pentagon” budget, is that I am of the opinion that perhaps the best training ground for real applicable job training is the U.S. military.

    I’m not sure that our own armed forces haven’t done more to save education than any higher level education curriculum or plan.

    Lord knows I wish I had about two years of military under my belt. I certainly would have been much the better for it. At 18, somebody needed to light a fire under my ass. My father knew nothing – therefore, I knew nothing.
    .

  60. “Did they teach you that in the liberal arts program?”

    I have never been in a Liberal Arts program. Unlike you, I just happen to know a little of the history of the Liberal Arts.

    “Well, being I probably helped develop some of the software you used to do your “simple regression analysis” from Stat 101 at Power U., and that was my minor in my undergraduate program, I feel fairly confident we can carry on this discussion further.”

    Excellent. I look forward to your thorough analysis of this topic:

    “Something I would love to right about and juxtapose is success of the public school system, tracing the results when we begin to secularize the schools in the early 1960s to their now muddled politically correct stature.”

    Maybe it can be that first blog article we keep hearing about.

  61. I don’t think Romney is going to beat Gingrich, Poolman. People may not like Gingrich (I’m not sure I would), but they really do like the ideas he is proposing. I thought Newt’s idea of a board of local citizenry last night concerning immigration was fascinating. I disagree with you that Gingrich can’t beat Obama.

    But I fully admit that at this time four years ago, I was just sure it was going to HRottenC vs. Rudy.

    Who knows…

  62. Maybe it can be that first blog article we keep hearing about.

    And bore everybody? That’s not a blog article. That’s a dissertation.

    I was thinking of something a little lighter. Something that might be appealing to Gorilla and a mass audience of beer drinkers sitting around the table playing cards. Say the shortcomings of college and professional sports?

    But if you are sure I am wrong or full of shit, and you would be willing to put your fortune up for collateral and fee in case I was proven correct, then I would be happy to undertake the event at your expense.

    Because it’s not going to be terribly hard to prove…

  63. Like I said Poolman, I don’t want Ron Paul for President. I don’t find him remotely electable, and his foreign policy is beyond naive IMO, of which i know you adamantly disagree.

    But there is no doubt if they nominated me as Pres., Ron Paul would be my first choice as general auditor of the entire federal government. And his very first assignment from Pres. Tex would be, evaluate the Dept of Education first thing.

  64. Oh, I see. I’m sorry Huck. I failed to recognize that your now the blog moderator and grammar and spell check. Mea culpa. It’s Rutherford’s fault. He failed to inform me. Love to WRITE about. Pedantic to a fault, hey?

    Are you sure you want to go down that path, Master? I’ve let an awfully lot of goofs from your insipid responses pass without retort. But we can change that pronto, if that is your preferred style.

    From the guy who hasn’t figured out how to block quote his responses yet to make his idiocy at least readable?

    I’ll see if I can’t comply… 😉

  65. See I don’t get that. What I did get was yet another example of how stupid Paul and the Paulaholics are.
    Foreign deployments and combat operations are the same thing according to Ron Paul. He ultimately falls back on a number of predictable points none of which are based in reality.(FP,constitutionality etc)
    He’s such a freaking broken record.
    So, for the campaign video.
    Is it against deployments to Korea,Germany,Spain or just Iraq and Afghanistan? The red meatiness of it seems to indicatea focus on Iraq and Afghanistan. It is with that focus the Texas comparison falls flat on its face.

  66. (Paul) “Is politically irrelevant.”

    Holding a minority opinion does not make one irrelevant – or wrong.

    “Demonstrably oversimplistic.”

    Simple does not mean incorrect, nor complex correct – as we are seeing in our own Fed and Treasury right now. The truth is often quite simple.

    “Parochial to the point of idiocy.”

    What the f*ck that mean?

    “Ineffective.”

    We shall see. I hope not for all our sakes.

  67. RPs irrelevancy and ineffectiveness are tied together.
    Parochial to the point of idiocy means what it says. Parochial:having a limited or narrow outlook or scope. Pauls policy points fit that to a T.

  68. re: school system.

    I felt my grade school was great; I learned very little in high school. This was corroborated by my – and my classmates’ – scores on the SCAT/STEP tests, where my small, rural WV class as a whole fell from mid-nineties percentile (nationally) to below fiftieth. From ninth grade on and through college I cursed my high school and the system, which in no way had prepared me for college.

    I knew it sucked, but wasn’t able to put my finger on the problem until a did a term on a local school board – the same county where I had attended as a child. Boy were things different.

    Firstly we spent nearly all our time tangling with the teachers’ union and the service personnel union. We could NOT fire crappy teachers – which shouldn’t have been our job anyway – it should have been the principal’s, but he was even more emasculated than we were. We went round and round about shit like whether it was appropriate for a teacher to set a disruptive student in the janitor’s closet with the door open so she could keep him in view. (He grabbed the girls’ asses if he sat in the hall, and she couldn’t send him home since he had a “diagnosis” of some learning disability or other).

    There was no chain of command. No principal dared to discipline a teacher since she would immediately file a grievance and tie the whole damned system in a knot – if she didn’t accuse him of sexual harassment. The superintendent told me that, when I was a kid in the same county, there were four central office employees: Superintendent, Assistant Superintendent, Truant Officer, Secretary. At the time I was on the Board there were over a hundred, and the county student population was down about 30%. He told me that at least twenty of his employees were there to ensure compliance with federal rules and various “Title” programs.

    The system is rotten from top to bottom. The teachers spend their time on things like making written lesson plans for FIRST GRADERS and making sure they spend the proper number of minutes of each class period on some federally mandated requirement or other. Their supervisors cannot supervise because THEIR hands are tied. The Board office cannot supervise for the same reason. The board itself is powerless. The whole goddamned system is set up like a giant bus, with a driver who has a gas pedal and a hundred passengers, each with a brake – any one of which can stop the whole process.

    No, I think I see the problem. It’s not “cultural.” We have everything we need to have a GOOD school system – except for one.

    We don’t have the will.

  69. Simple and straightforwardness has a universal appeal. Complexity has never brought much clarity to the table. The more understandable we are, the less deception can gain a footing.

    That same parochial shoe could be labeled “focus” on another’s foot.

  70. Pauls solutions are extremely simple BUT show zero scope on likely repercussions. That is the defining aspect of what I dislike about Paul.
    There is no real clarity with Paul,he is as much a snake oil salesman as anybody in the game,he is full of it.

  71. ‘We don’t have the will.’

    “Who do you refer to with “We”? Voters,leaders,everyone?”

    Everyone. There is no sense that this is serious business – from anyone.

    Schools need to be run at the local level. The Department of Education needs to be abolished and all federal requirements eliminated. I mean ALL; we spend untold billions of hours complying with this stuff. I’m sure many of these rules are good ideas and well-intentioned, but there is a cost – and money is the least of it. We need to go through with a mowing scythe and cut down everything that does not directly move information from the teacher’s mouth to the students’ ears.

    The unions need to be brought under control so that the administrators can do their jobs; a disgruntled employee can tie the system in a knot in a matter of hours.

    The kids need to understand that BY GOD THERE WILL BE ORDER, and if that means an ass-busting, that’s what it means. I can tell you from my own kids, if they didn’t want to do something, they didn’t do it. The teacher could do NOTHING and the kids had no respect for the school, the teacher, the principal. What could they do to the kids, send them home? Hell, that sounded pretty good to the students, and that was the max they could do.

    Parents regularly threaten teachers and come into the classrooms and scream at them and threaten them with lawsuits. The principals don’t dare back them up and almost always side with the parents or try to “smooth things over.” It’s just a lot easier; standing up for principle can be very, very costly.

    Make me king for one day. That’s all I need – ONE DAY.

  72. I don’t even know how teachers can stand to operate in the classroom anymore. Can’t even punish hoodlums, for fear of losing your job or threat from parent.

    At my school, Rabbit would be the Sargent of Arms, armed with a 34″ paddle and signed parental permission to bust some ass. Bet that gorilla swing across the flanks could make an attitude adjustment for mommy.

    Sounds to me like we ought to be lining up some parents first for a world class caning.

  73. I was just about to ask PF about a Singapore model and Tex chimes in with a comment containing the word “caning” surreal,kinda.
    Anyway I think parents are apathetic but I blame the system more as I feel it helps to cause said apathy. I used to be for the abolishing of the Dept of Ed but currently I want it to stay around in a much different form.

  74. Tex….I ACTUALLY support a Singapore model. The teacher enters a room over there the kids go to into immediate listen and learn mode. A great example is how Singapore math curriculum is superior to the Chicago math program. Those are actual curriculum programs I’m not dissing on the O. The former is strict straight math with tweaks. the latter a spiral program designed by the teachers college,not the math folks at UofC with a focus on the teachers being able to teach as opposed to the kids able to learn. I loathe that program. Rates right up there with Ebonics and Whole English in my book.

  75. re: caning.

    In working with my friends in the adult industry, I have run a camera in some caning videos; it is carefully scripted – always with a model who is into that sort of thing and a cane-er who has experience. It is not something to screw around with, and certainly not with school kids. You have to be careful or you will break bare skin, and I doubt it feels much better over clothing. I know they used to do it in England, and I doubt anyone was much the worse for wear, but an old fashioned paddle will do the job every bit as efficiently as it has for the last several hundred years here in America.

    A former superintendent and I were good friends; I used to go to his house to drink whiskey and play bluegrass. He told me plainly: he had been in the school system for thirty years and the worst thing that ever happened was when they took the paddle out of the schools. “You only need it for one kid out of a hundred, but the other ninety-nine know it’s there, and THAT is why it works.” He wasn’t a pointy-headed Ph.D. straight out of college; he had many, many years of on-the-ground experience to back up his opinion.

  76. I got my ass busted from K-9; not kidding. Don’t blame the paddle, I was ruined by outside sources.

    I swear by personal experience it works – especially when your mom encourages the initiative, then promises the problem will be addressed accordingly at home.

    I’ll take the paddle over the belt any time. Any time….

    By about the sixth grade, I had figured out if you can get under your bed cover, you can fake the pain. 🙂 The old man never did figure it out.

  77. Remember when Rutherford told me “Tom Brokaw” was probably a right-winger earlier in thread? At NBC….clears throat?

    You want to give me the go again Rutherford how the top broadcaster at NBC would be a winger? Is Ms. Chelsea also a secret winger? This one will make you taste the bile, but the comments are classic.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8948252/Media-shy-Chelsea-Clinton-explains-her-new-role-as-television-journalist-for-one-of-Americas-biggest-networks.html

  78. Here’s one of my favorites about humble Chelsea’s NBC beginnings:

    You know, at that camera angle, she barely looks like her dad, the late Webster Hubble.

    😆 😆 😆

  79. God do you remember – was it Newt? – who said the young (and very homely) Chelsea was so ugly because Janet Reno was her father? Whewww!

    That’s over the line. Poor kid couldn’t help who her parents were or how she looked. I do think she has improved some with age, though…

  80. Time to bust up this party crap.

    Seriously. We can do much better than this. These folks don’t respect us or understand what we are going through. It’s just one big party at our expense. These folks are supposed to figure out how to get us out of this economic mess? I think not. Time to dump them all. Left and right.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I think corporal punishment in schools was occasionally abused but was effective for the most part. I had my butt heated a few times. The biggest deterrent was the embarrassment of your peers.

    It would be difficult to go back to. Many of the youth today could not adjust and likely some teachers would get killed. Discipline is one more thing we have lost any control of, in youth and in economy. It has to start at home. Often it doesn’t, and the later in life that we learn it, the harder it is to learn. It has to be forced on us.

    That is why military training is so effective. There is no choice, you must follow the rules. They own your ass. It really isn’t a good reflection on us if the only place discipline is learned is in our armed forces. Many people crave discipline, even if they don’t realize it. We need structure and few institutions provide it.

  81. Rabbit, If I understand what you say correctly it sounds like the “protections” being provided to the “learning disabled” can actually end up hurting them.

    To paraphrase your comment, it sounds almost like we’re saying “Don’t worry if Johnny says he’s gonna commit suicide, he’s crazy and always talks that way. In fact if you intervene, you’re violating his right to be different.”

    Do I get that right? If so, that is majorly F*CKED UP!!!

    To have that boy’s very life on your mind and your shoulders is a burden you shouldn’t have to bear. My heart truly goes out to you on this one DR.

  82. “Pfessor # 47 thanks for the drama,guess thats part of your LA too.”

    My training is 100% science. Biology/Electrical Engineering/Medicine. No LA except I think I took an art appreciation class once, and English Literature. Oh, and Social Science, where I got in a shit-slinging contest with the portly grad student who was teaching it without supervision because the prof was too damned lazy to show up. We discussed my responsibility for her great-great grandparents’ slavery at some length. Cleared out the classroom, it did. good times.

    Any LA I have comes from a steady supply of kindle-fodder I find at Amazon.com and read in the early mornings.

  83. Man. Fall asleep and wake up to John Denver music blaring on the tube. Remember old John Denver? He was a pretty talented guy, and his folksy tunes I pretty much liked as a teen. But I didn’t like him personally, and I couldn’t remember why.

    So I looked up under “trusted” Wiki, and then my memory was jogged again – the Joan Baez type, political activist. He was mother earth, librual….

    OH YUCK! 😈

  84. I guess different can appear threatening, but to me it adds a fullness.

    Could you imagine how boring life would be if we all were the same?

    Why must one fit an acceptable category to be considered serious?

    There is a lot of what people do that is distasteful and counter to our own preferences. Get used to it. They have every right to their own life. Despite what we want to believe, life is messy and people are far from perfect. We all have our own demons to slay. No two of us are the same, even if we have similarities. We have different talents that sometimes are allowed to develop and inspire.

    I can find another Kumbaya version for you if you like. 😀

  85. Tex, we won? You’re admitting defeat? 😉

    Oh no. You’ve won your trip across the River Styx. Kind of you won the battle, but you have definitely lost the war. I’ve become a huge Tim Tebow fan since I understand that useless piece of crap Bill Maher was mocking him on his show.

    What’s that bulbous nose piece of crap think now?

  86. Regarding Tex’s ranking of the Iowa ABC debate, as expected, I beg to differ. My rank is:

    Mitt
    Ron
    Newt
    Michele
    Perry
    Santorum

    Santorum’s constant harping on the family is just a dog whistle for his well documented homophobia.

    I agree with Tex that Mitt’s “bet” was molehill, not a mountain … it just looked SO damn awkward. As I said on Alfie’s blog, and as a shoutout to my friends BiW and El Tigre, a lawyer never asks a witness a question that he does not know how the witness will answer. Romney’s error was to toss that bet out to Perry and give Perry an opportunity to answer him, Perry’s answer could have been more devastating than it was. So, if we ignore the 10K bet, I think Romney performed admirably. His NFL comment to Newt about being a career politician was a GREAT retort IMHO.

    Ron Paul always performs top notch.
    Bachmann gave, I think, her best debate performance ever. Her “Newt Romney” was true genius and this is coming from a guy who never dreamed he’d use the word genius and Bachmann in the same sentence.

    Perry was forthright about infidelity but Newt answered the charges the best way he could. For those who buy into redemption, Newt may get a pass on his 3 wives. (Calista HAS to lose the platinum hair helmet. Damn, she looks like a robot.)

  87. Gawd Poolman, you are not only a preachy idiot and fool in your own right, but the most sanctimonious bohunk for a man I’ve ever read.

    Like one of those queer water threads you write. What was that thing you left at Fat Grannies? Do you feel inspired when you write that junk? 😀 It reads like you’re on some bad acid trip – complete lunacy.

    I’d tell a useless punk like you to “get used to it”, but you were never capable of anything different. You “live with it.”

  88. Mitt
    Ron
    Newt
    Michele
    Perry
    Santorum

    You voted for Obama. You’re not a qualified judge of character, leadership or much of anything else for that matter. 🙂

    Did you see that softball piece on 60 minutes? Gawd, that was nauseating. I can’t wait to watch Obama’s lies absolutely picked apart in a debate for the entire nation to see what a liar and utter failure he really is.

    The man is either deluded, or so full of himself, he can’t admit he’s a community activist and not much else.

  89. BTW, this is DISGUSTING:

    This woman uses her child as a f*cking pawn to nail Bachmann on her political beliefs. She forces her kid to say to Bachmann “my mommy is gay and she doesn’t need fixing”. The woman discredits every gay couple who wants to adopt a kid or have a kid in some alternative way. You don’t use your kid, too young to understand what is going on, to make your damn political point. I swear if I had been there, I would punched the chick in the face.

    The only upside is it showed the tender side of Bachmann. She looks incredibly sympathetic in this clip.

  90. (Calista HAS to lose the platinum hair helmet. Damn, she looks like a robot.)

    Contrary to somebody else I know, who closely resembles a chimp – and that’s on her good days. Can she lose the Zira look?

  91. I would not be who I am and let the “bussing” mini-thread go ignored.

    Yes, things would be so much better if natural segregation had been allowed to persist. We need to protect those classy white kids from those black hoodlums. 👿

  92. You mean “busing”? Yeah, it helped ruin good school and turn ALL of them into the hood. How did Daniel Patrick define it? Deviancy dumbed downward?

    Same with affirmative action, multiculturalism and diversity.

    Great ideas, Libs.

  93. Calista HAS to lose the platinum hair helmet. Damn, she looks like a robot.

    It’s that Stepford Wife look, Rutherford. Not too uncommon, really.

  94. Their is a decline in math and science because society rejects the subjects. — Rabbit

    Wouldn’t have anything to do with a political party that rejects evolution and climate science out of hand, would it? 😆

  95. Wouldn’t have anything to do with a political party that rejects evolution and climate science out of hand, would it? 😆

    From the flunky that thinks Bill Frist a fool? You think you can hang with him, project manager, in the sciences? 😈 Buwahahahahahaaha

    You don’t even know the basics of biology and you speak as some expert, or a damn thing about climate and science for that matter, and you speak as if you’re some qualified judge.

    What a joke…

    You and Bill Maher. You both remind me of the little boys at the back of the classroom without so much as ever kissing a girl, speaking about fornication.

  96. DAMN … I just realized something. When Romney challenged Perry to the 10K bet, he was channeling …

    Tex Taylor

    The only thing missing was Romney saying “we’ll let Rutherford be the intermediary.” 🙂

  97. Alfie when I watched the Ron Paul Texas ad I actually was thinking of Pakistan where I believe there have been numerous civilian deaths due to our drone approach.

    Personally, I’d love to give Paul’s foreign policy a try. Everyone else suggests the same sh*t we’ve been doing for decades and it hasn’t made us safer … in fact if 9/11 is any evidence, it made us MUCH more vulnerable.

    Paul was on TV this morning (might have been Meet the Press) and he called the mideast political situation “irrational”. BRAVO!!!! A bunch of people fighting over who God said could live on a piece of land. That’s friggin irrational. And when you see two lunatics fighting over lunacy, your best best is to stay the hell out of it.

    Fine, Israel is our ally. If they need us, let them come ask for help when they need it. Otherwise, we should mind our own business.

  98. Actually Tex, I think I’m pretty well versed in the basics of biology. Advanced … no but basics yes. Bio was one of my fav topics as a kid. I’ve always found the human body fascinating. In fact, I imagined myself pre-med right into Freshman year of college when reality set in and I realized I didn’t have the physical stamina for science lab work nor the mental discipline to go deep into science.

    You wanna know not knowing the basics? I had a coworker years ago who thought women urinated out of their vagina. He thought me completely daft when I broke the news to him that he was wrong.

  99. You wanna know not knowing the basics? I had a coworker years ago who thought women urinated out of their vagina. He thought me completely daft when I broke the news to him that he was wrong.

    Poolman? 😀

  100. What’s the general opinion on the board of Perry’s idea to have Congress be a part time job? He wants them to spend more time at home working a “real job”.

    I’ll say this for this current crop of wacky candidates, they are at least trying to think outside the box. I guess it’s a consequence of the dire straights we are in. The same old solutions are just not gonna work … lib or conservative.

  101. LOL I’ve never had the privilege of working with Poolman but I sure would love to shoot the sh*t with him some afternoon. He, like many of you, can get the brain cells firing.

  102. “Wouldn’t have anything to do with a political party that rejects evolution and climate science out of hand, would it?”

    Says the man who himself and his party whose unquestioningly embraces it.

    Hared to miss your complete lack of knowledge of either subject. And I mean complete.

    Do tell about your party’s fascination with the sciences. . . 🙄

  103. “I’ve never had the privilege of working with Poolman but I sure would love to shoot the sh*t with him some afternoon. He, like many of you, can get the brain cells firing.”

    You just joined the ranks of Thorazine wit that one. Go on. You’ve been demoted. Go sit in the corner.

    Lawd, that sanctimonious bullshit gets so old.

  104. “Chelsea was so ugly

    Sorry guys but for my money Amy Carter takes the prize for most homely White House kid. Just sayin’.”

    Yeah. If I were President, I’d prefer a visit in the Oval Office alone with Chelsea rather than Amy to . . .

  105. It was intended to be weird. To explain the weirdness, you’ve railed on criticism of Ol’ Onion Booty and the Obama children. Now Newt’s “Helmet Head” is okay — and apparently so are observations of the relative beauty of former president’s children.

    It just got me thinking about your comments about Chelsea who nearly as I can tell is about Lewinsky-aged at the time of the Oval Office offense, surrounded by important political figures, and therefore “fair game” in all respects, right? Stated differently, just sayin’ your comments are creepy and motivated my creepy response.

    Free association. I apologize for creeping you out. However, that was my aim. Clinton creeps me out. Apologists for Clinton creep me out. Double standards about what constitutes acceptable commentary on political figures’ family members doesn’t creep me out, but do make me want to highlight them. The fact that the left tolerates abhorrent behavior from their own and indeed rationalizes it yet feigns outrage over so-called “undignified” commentary about their own Creeps Me Out! You are on the left — I projected it onto you. So sue me. 😆

    Sanctimonious applies to Poolman, not you. If you don’t see it there’s no hope for you. Of course, that fact that you find any of Poolman’s usual b.s. thought provoking pretty well means there’s no hope for you anyway.

  106. Damn, Tigre, must be another manic Monday for you! Heck, I thought I’d get props for offering up another Dem White House kid for the homely award. Serves me right for pandering to my conservative base. 🙂

  107. I always thought that little lead singer for the Bangles was wonderfully cute. I’d run off with her and promise to be gentle.

    During that women rock band fling, I also thought Belinda Jo Carlisle with the Go-Go’s was a cutey. I’d have run off with her too.

    Old women now. Like me. 😀

  108. I was kind of wondering where all that pandering was too.

    If I have figured out one immutable fact about Rutherford, it is this:

    The one thing he absolutely, positively doesn’t understand is Conservatives.

  109. “Wouldn’t have anything to do with a political party that rejects evolution and climate science out of hand, would it?”

    Considering the fact that the way both are commonly presented have much more to do with faith than they do anything resembling science, that really shouldn’t be a surprise.

  110. Damn Tex, you really MUST be a fan of Belinda Carlisle … you threw that “Jo” in there … I never knew that was her middle name. Personally I had a thing for the guitarist Jane Wiedlin. As for the Bangles, my fav was always the drummer.

    I always liked the Go-Go’s more than the Bangles. I have their first three albums on vinyl. Some of the most melodic pop music of the 80’s.

  111. Belinda reminded me of an old first love. To this day, I can still vividly recall the trysts. I guess I have a thing for that wholesome blue-eyed look. That’s why I married green eyed doe and brunette out of the Scarlett mold when I finally got serious. Plus, mom’s a great meat and potatoes cook.

    Kept me out of trouble all these years…

    Now it’s just getting old that keeps me from wondering. I can actually go several hours without thinking about sex – usually during college football and basketball games or house projects. But never days.

  112. They were both pretty good, I thought. I’ve started listening to my 70s music again for some reason. The 80s was still my favorite generation of life, though.

    I know I’m getting old, and I swore I would never become my old man, and I’ve tried to stay current, but I got to tell you – the music of the last five years has absolutely sucked. I mean sucked. That crossover between country, pop and rock is the best thing going anymore.

  113. Every generation since I’ve been around : 65-99 had it’s appeal. There’s been a few catchy tunes the last decade, but for the most part, I think its pitiful.

    And Hollywood? What a piece of junk – with $7.00 stale popcorn.

  114. I looked up Dobie’s tune, and that was actually released when I was in middle school. But I certainly remember listening to it all through high school. Great voice, classic song.

  115. “Yes, things would be so much better if natural segregation had been allowed to persist. We need to protect those classy white kids from those black hoodlums. :evil:”

    Nonsense. You don’t stand taller by dragging others down. And I don’t remember anyone mentioning race – except for you, of course.

    R, you have to get right with God and read yourself some Sowell. Here is a smart black man who is smart enough to see the kind of hell for black people that is paved with the good intentions of well-meaning sob-sisters with leaky waterworks. One time long ago, there was a road out of poverty and crime for black folks and they were heading that way until all those nice white folks told them they were too stupid to compete and had to have a leg-up at someone else’s expense.

    No offense, R, but the the thing I find most maddening about liberals is this inability to think more than one level deep. Got no money? Just take it from someone who earned it, or better yet, get your government to take it at gunpoint. Sounds good on the surface, but the damage done on the second and third levels is manifold that of the evil it remedies. It’s like the little boy said in “Matewan.” “We’ve had just about all the help we can stand.”

  116. ““Chelsea was so ugly

    Sorry guys but for my money Amy Carter takes the prize for most homely White House kid. Just sayin’.”

    Yeah. If I were President, I’d prefer a visit in the Oval Office alone with Chelsea rather than Amy to . . .”

    My Dad used to say that he “wouldn’t take that girl to a dogfight.”

    “Even if I thought she could win.” LOL

  117. Occupiers plan to try and shut down all West Coast ports today. It could get interesting.

    If by “interesting” you mean, they are likely to piss off a bunch of teamsters and longshoremen who are busy trying to make a living, then yes.

    I love the smell of dirty filthy commie hippie blood in the afternoon.

  118. “OWS = irrelevant nuisance.”

    That’s exactly what they are up until the point that they aren’t.

    That point might not come, but I still watch so I can see if it does.

    Because the MSM sure as hell won’t show it to us.

  119. “If by “interesting” you mean, they are likely to piss off a bunch of teamsters and longshoremen who are busy trying to make a living, then yes.”

    That is partially what I meant.

    When they shut down the port in Oakland they had those folks on their side. Not this time.

  120. I would pay to see some longshoremen beat the tar out of those OWS punks – they smell like dead fish anyway.

    I mean, brick ‘um.

    Amy Carter vs. Chelsea Clinton. I can understand why Chelsea was butt ugly – look at her parents Webb Hubbell and Apple Cheeks Clinton. Two caricatures out of Mad Magazine. But Rosalynn Carter was not a bad looking first lady.

    I think Jimmah the Baptist did some early straying.

  121. M’Chel’s case, I think it is the physical manifestation of what it is inside.

    Let’s hope the inner manifestation isn’t as nasty as what Ms. Antoinette demonstrates on the outside. 🙂

    I wouldn’t have made mention of Chelsea until she persuaded NBC to make her commentator. Fair game now in my book.

  122. I see no reason to pick on the kids for their physical attributes

    If you actually followed me the past four years BiW, you’d know that I was only joining in on the “fun”. I do believe that the “first children” are off limits, at least while they’re children. I don’t find anything wrong with folks taking shots at Ron Reagan Jr or Liz Cheney.

  123. I agree up to the point that the President of the United States starts holding them up as models for the rest of us to emulate.

    Nope even then it’s wrong. They didn’t ask to be used as rhetorical pawns by their father. Blame the Dad, not the kids.

  124. But Huck, now that you mention it, there is a new controversy brewing among libs regarding the morning after pill. Apparently the Obama department of HHS overruled an FDA finding that the pill should be available over the counter to everybody. When asked about it, Obama said that as a father of two young daughters, he found the HHS overrule to be just plain common sense. Libs (and feminists in particular) are boiling mad. And they’re doubly pissed he invoked his daughters in his statement. One pundit called it unwarranted paternalism.

  125. Soon following the decision, President Obama said that he supported Sebelius’ stance. “As the father of two young daughters,” he said, “I think it is important for us to make sure that we apply some common sense to various rules when it comes to over-the-counter medicine.”

    No Plan B

    I may write a brief blog post on this subject in a day or so because I find one aspect of the debate very troubling.

  126. “But Huck, now that you mention it, there is a new controversy brewing among libs regarding the morning after pill. Apparently the Obama department of HHS overruled an FDA finding that the pill should be available over the counter to everybody. When asked about it, Obama said that as a father of two young daughters, he found the HHS overrule to be just plain common sense. Libs (and feminists in particular) are boiling mad. And they’re doubly pissed he invoked his daughters in his statement. One pundit called it unwarranted paternalism.”

    He did the EXACT same thing when he argued the EXACT opposite position.

  127. Huck I know you think you scored a point here but you didn’t. I read enough of Brody’s article to see Obama in 2008 was talking about education, not walking into a pharmacy and purchasing birth control at the age of 12. So, no, he didn’t use his daughters to argue the opposite point.

    As for “punished with a baby” …. VERY poor choice of words IMHO.

  128. Obama, NOW, NARAL and the rest of the abortion loving crowd are tied at the hip. Obama is no different that Tiller the Baby Killer when it comes to the worth of a fetus. Anybody that has no problems with viable fetuses being ripped out of the womb is right up socialist Germany, circa 1938. And that was exactly Obama’s position before elected. It’s on record. If Obama and that gawd awful Sebelius dolt had their way, your ten year old daughters would be purchasing RU486 like cough syrup and dumping preemies in dumpsters without complaint.

    Then man is a nasty piece of work – a sociopath with a nice smile and bad haircut. I’m going to enjoy watching that shit eatin’ grin of Zero’s wiped off his face about 60 seconds into the very first debate.

  129. My bad. He didn’t use his daughters to make an opposite argument. He used them to make still another argument.

    He just tosses the little ones out there, whenever he gets the chance.

    So I’ll take the points for that, instead.

  130. I’m going to enjoy watching that shit eatin’ grin of Zero’s wiped off his face about 60 seconds into the very first debate.

    Five bucks says that at some point, he’ll use some variation of “There you go again…” when confronted on his abysmal record.

  131. Five bucks says that at some point, he’ll use some variation of “There you go again…” when confronted on his abysmal record.

    And the response should be, “Correct, and we are going to do it again, and again, and again until everybody in this nation understands the damage you have caused.”

    Speaking of impersonation, VDH wrote a devastating account late last week of how Obama continues for some peculiar reason to try and imitate dead presidents.

    And it absolutely eviscerates Obama, both historically and with great humor. If you haven’t seen this, well worth the read. Well worth…

    Obama Versus the Trusts

    And what mask now? Apparently it is to be Obama as Teddy Roosevelt, crusading against the modern equivalent of trusts, monopolies, and John D. Rockefeller zillionaires — and this from the largest recipient of campaign cash in presidential history, and the first candidate to renounce the public financing of presidential campaigns.

    Note that Obama’s TR trust-busting does not include mention of tax-avoidance by a Timothy Geithner or John Kerry. Ill-gotten gains and unfairness do not include the many annual millions of Bill Gates or Warren Buffett, much less a Leonardo DiCaprio or Johnny Depp, still much less those who pony up $38,000 a head to meet with Obama. We are not to hear much about Jon Corzine’s missing $600 million. Nor is there reference to Bill Clinton’s firm’s charging $50,000 a month to a broke MF Global.

    The evil “they” are not the liberal elite whose children are at Harvard, but the lesser, more uncouth folk who hustle to run three muffler shops, or operate barges, or own a timber company, lacking the grace that comes with government sinecure or inherited wealth and with no guilt over their success, and no desire to purchase psychological exemption from Obama.

    Read on….

    The President Who Never Was…. 😆

    http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/

  132. And speaking of reelection, if anybody bothered to watch 60 Minutes Last night, Obama was on for the beginnings of the new 2012 genuflect and cover up by the dinosaur media. Totally nauseating interview….

    But, Obama Didn’t Overpromise. Other Than That Bit About His Nomination Being the Moment the Planet Began to Heal.

    http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2011/12/12/no-obama-didnt-overpromise-other-than-that-bit-about-his-nomination-being-the-moment-the-planet-began-to-heal/

  133. Thanks for the link Rutherford. The Huntsman Gingrich debate was quite/is interesting. And yes, Huntsman was more impressive than I had predicted him to be…kudos for your insight.

    A Gingrich/Huntsman ticket would be quite formidable – especially against somebody of Joe Biden’s massive charisma and debate ability.

    The mouth waters…at the thought of a debate.

  134. Obama: “And I didn’t underestimate how tough this was gonna be.”

    Me: “That’s not what you said last month. Here is what you said….”

    I have to admit, I didn’t know how steep the climb was going to be. Because we didn’t realize — we just found out a week ago that the economy that last few months in 2008 was even worse than we had realized.”

    Me: “Wouldn’t you agree that saying ‘I didn’t know how steep the climb was going to be’ is the very definition of underestimating how tough something is going to be?”

    Obama: “I think that is stretching things a bit.”

  135. They might get some national coverage if they screw up traffic for the MNF game.

    The worst football game in the history of the Monday Night NFL format. Let’s watch Longshoreman vs. OWS instead! 🙂

    Cage fighting…

  136. If Obama and that gawd awful Sebelius dolt had their way, your ten year old daughters would be purchasing RU486 like cough syrup and dumping preemies in dumpsters without complaint.

    Yup, that’s why they overruled the FDA. Sometimes you can play the idiot so convincingly. 😐

  137. I was only able to watch about 20 minutes of the “Lincoln-Douglas” debate. Huntsman kinda bothered me with his 500 foot view of things. I would like to have seen more specific prescriptions on what to do. I think he was just starting to address Iran when life intervened and I had to step away from the ‘puter, so maybe he improved later.

    Gingrich says the world is coming to an end but he’s got no specifics on what to do about it other than to call a radical Islamist a radical Islamist. Oh and get regime change in Iran. How does he intend to do that? Install someone like the Shah so we can start the cycle over again that got us screwed in 1979?

    Also, whose idea was it to limit the debate to foreign policy? How ’bout this country’s problems and JOBS JOBS JOBS? Overall I’m not too unhappy I missed most of it. Maybe I’ll try to catch a replay later.

  138. Yup, that’s why they overruled the FDA. Sometimes you can play the idiot so convincingly. 😐

    😆 A real talent.

    Come on. It’s a known fact Senator Zero was a proponent of keeping partial birth abortion legal Rutherford – stab that baby’s head and suck the brain. Sebelius wants zero restrictions on abortion – she’s the Planned Parenthood mill queen. Neither of those are debatable.

    Over the top politics is the only thing keeping the truth from slithering out. And it will if please God No, Zero gets reelected and doesn’t have to worry about buying votes. We will turn to Gomorrah in a heart beat if that sham wins again.

    I guarantee it.

  139. So word is that US troops are being deployed at the Jordanian-Syrian border.

    What’s the scoop, G?

    (Normally I would not place any stock in this kind of rumor, but with war-monger Obama you just never know.)

  140. What an absolute fucking lie. This is so wrong, I don’t even know how to respond to it other than call you a fricking pig.

    Gingrich says the world is coming to an end but he’s got no specifics on what to do about it other than to call a radical Islamist a radical Islamist. Oh and get regime change in Iran. How does he intend to do that? Install someone like the Shah so we can start the cycle over again that got us screwed in 1979?

    Newt Gingrich went into great detail the history, the reasons, the approach, the suggestions, and the timetable. Damn Rutherford, you are so blind and deaf to the truth, you must go out of your way to dream shit up.

    It was so complete, Huntsman said he agreed and had little to add. 🙄

    I challenge anybody on this board to listen to that tape of that debate and witness how absolutely full of shit Rutherford the Liberal is. Unbelievable.

  141. This is actually hard to believe, but Ezra Klein, taskmaster and hand puppet of the Obama Administration, and founder of the Third Reich Journolist propaganda and coordination of liberal untruth ministry, just told the truth about Obama’s wretched economy. The first half of this is actually the truth – from the WaPO nonetheless. 😯 Pigs just flew somewhere….

    Real unemployment is actually 20%.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/wonkbook-the-real-unemployment-rate-is-11-percent/2011/12/12/gIQAuctPpO_blog.html

    FOUR MORE YEARS!

  142. Kind of like Jenks, OK, isn’t part of Tulsa, OK? Okay. Upper Nazareth. Thought they were all one and the same. I’ll assume they have two different mayors too?

    See, there you go. That’s what six years of college will do for you. More knowledge you can use with your liberal art’s degree to win at Trivial Pursuit or Wheel of Fortune while you serve drinks and substitute teach upon matriculation.

  143. Like I said…it’s really handy at showing when people don’t know what they are talking about.

    Must be why you hate it so much.

    I notice you are really eager to turn the tables away from what I actually posted. Where is your outrage over this attack against Christmas?

    Not that I’m surprised. Jewish attacks and harassment against Christians are common. None of you cares because it isn’t done by Muslims.

  144. “Kind of like Jenks, OK, isn’t part of Tulsa, OK? Okay. Upper Nazareth. Thought they were all one and the same. I’ll assume they have two different mayors too?”

    You should be appalled that there is the need for an “Upper Nazareth.”

    They founded it because they didn’t want to mix with all of those dirty Arab Christians and Muslims in Nazareth proper and wanted to insure “Jewish sovereignty” in that area.

    But since we’re talking about Israel, it gets discounted as a simple trivia answer.

  145. war-monger Obama

    Damn that’s funny as hell. I could have predicted a lot of descriptions of Barack in 2008 but war-monger was not one of them. And don’t get me wrong Huck, I’m not quibbling with your jargon. I’m just amused at just how much he defied expectation.

  146. This is so wrong, I don’t even know how to respond to it other than call you a fricking pig.

    Whooooooaa hang on Sparky. I told you up front I only got to watch the first 20 minutes or so. If the debate in its entirety fills in the gaps better, I’ll gladly (well not gladly) eat my words.

    I’ll try to catch a replay off C-SPAN website tomorrow.

  147. Oooooo lawdy! Huck testifying!!! Jews are actually capable of bigotry and discrimination! Who woulda thunk it?????

    Huck your sources must be wrong. Those must be Muslims masquerading as Jews. The only villains in that part of the world are followers of that pedophile Mohammed! (Just ask Newt!) 😕

  148. Question for the board. I haven’t delved into this much but do any of you know off hand why the hell we’re putting troops in Australia? Who are we trying to intimidate now? ❓

  149. “Question for the board. I haven’t delved into this much but do any of you know off hand why the hell we’re putting troops in Australia? Who are we trying to intimidate now? :?:”

    They are going there to bring back all the money that Americans are investing in the Australian stock market because of America’s inflationary monetary policy. Think of it as the modern-day Roosevelt gold confiscation plan.

  150. So word is that US troops are being deployed at the Jordanian-Syrian border.” – Huck

    First I heard of it.

    Can’t really see it happening, since Jordan is not going to want to have US forces on its land. Bad optics and all that.

    Where did you hear this?

  151. Red on Red…

    Opinion: Obama would rather be university professor than president
    Early in his administration, President/Professor Obama repeatedly referred to “teaching moments.” He would admonish staff, members of Congress and the public, in speeches and in private, about what they could learn from him. Rather than the ideological or corrupt “I’m above the law” attitudes of some past administrations, President Obama projected an arrogant “I’m right, you’re wrong” demeanor that alienated many potential allies. Furthermore, the President concentrated power within the White House, leaving cabinet members with no other option but to dutifully carry out policies with which they had limited input in crafting and might very well disagree. From my experience, this was especially true in the environmental, resources, housing and employment areas. Not by coincidence, these areas have also been responsible for much of the President’s harshest critiques.

    By Rep. Dennis Cardoza (D-Calif.)

  152. LA Huck,

    I notice you are really eager to turn the tables away from what I actually posted. Where is your outrage over this attack against Christmas?

    There’s nothing about turning the tables. I just found that article A YEAR OLD and the accompanying disdain from a fellow campus Christian hater amusing. So for grins, I plastered some strange video complete with Mickey Mouse celebrating Christmas in Nazareth at the same time your screed published. That’s half a world away. Where’s your outrage that your beloved Muslim Brotherhood is murdering Coptic Christians as we speak in Egypt? Moral equivalence…banning Christmas trees and murdering children. Same.

    Let me put it this way. I’d far rather some Christian hating mayor ban ‘filthy’ Christmas trees, than some Christian hating Muslims raze Orthodox churches like the church of the Nativity in Bethlehem. I don’t remember your outrage over that. Literally took over the church and vandalized it. Moral equivalence….

    When are you going to comprehend that I’m not defending bad behavior or religious intolerance? I’m defending Israel’s right to exist, an ally, a sovereign nation, a clearly persecuted people. That the connection between Christianity and Jew far deeper than some Jesus hating mayor in Goatherd, Israel?

    When Jews come looking to kill my children, I’ll help you find some more dirt. When Jews threaten to cut of my head, I’ll help you find some more dirt. When Jews celebrate 3,000 Americans dying, I’ll help you find some more dirt. When Jews threaten to nuke our cities, I’ll help you find some more dirt. When Israeli Jews start calling us the Great Satan, I’ll help you find some more dirt. When Israeli Jews start massacring our military and dragging them through streets as trophies, I’ll help you find some more dirt.

    Besides, what are you bent about a Jewish mayor hating on Christmas? He feels the exact same way you do about Christ. You wish Christianity would go the way of the dinosaur and is utter bunk, so I’m not feeling a great deal of true empathy by the Liberal Arts Asst. Prof. and his new found sensitivity of religious tolerance.

  153. They are going there to bring back all the money that Americans are investing in the Australian stock market because of America’s inflationary monetary policy. Think of it as the modern-day Roosevelt gold confiscation plan.

    😆 Good answer.

  154. So, according to Axlerod, Obama is the head Monkey and is all Ass…

    At briefing for reporters, Chicagoan says of the Georgian: “The higher a monkey climbs on the pole the more you can see his butt.”

  155. Oh, and by the way all you cap and trade Lefties, and before you start pointing the fingers trying to cast blame, five years ago I told you this was going to happen at a blog called Little Green Footballs.

    So if any of you are feeling poorer this year, you can thank your federal government for increasing your electric bills dramatically. This is 95% new regulation forcing electric companies to meet very stringent requirements.

    And I told you it was the newly Dimocratic elected Congress in conjunction with their henchmen, the heavy handed EPA that would be the instigator of higher costs. This is what happens when you start shutting coal plants and invoking new regulations under the auspices of “cleaner air.” cough cough.

    And I mocked you about your great empathy for the poor. Celebrate hypocrites. You are the biggest part of why they are poor.

    http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/story/2011-12-13/electric-bills/51840042/1?loc=interstitialskip

  156. To summarize Gorilla’s video clearly demonstrating the mendacity of Obama, let’s contrast what he said then, and what he is saying now:

    NOW
    I’ve always believed that this was a long-term project,” Obama told CBS’s Steve Kroft, and that it “was gonna take more than a year. It was gonna take more than two years.”

    THEN

    • On Feb. 2, 2009, Obama told the “Today Show” that “a year from now I think people are gonna see that we’re starting to make some progress,” and that “if I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a one-term proposition.”

    On Feb. 12, 2009, he predicted that his $830 billion stimulus would “ignite spending by businesses and consumers” and unleash “a new wave of innovation, activity and construction … all across America.”

    • On Feb. 26, 2009, Obama’s first budget projected that by 2011 the economy would be cooking ahead at 4% real GDP growth, with unemployment at 7.1% and falling fast.

    • On Feb. 7, 2010, he said “we are seeing the corner turn and the economy growing again.”

    • On June 4, 2010, Obama claimed the “economy is getting stronger by the day” and later that month said the recovery was “well under way.”

    Prosperity – with Obama, it’s always just right around the corner. Who you going to blame now Little Progressives? Let’s talk about reality.

    Try and remember Leftists:

    Using even the fudged data of last weeks 8.6% unemployment number, if 62.7 percent of the country was still counted as in the workforce as it were in Jan. 2009, unemployment would be 11 percent. In that sense, the real unemployment rate — the apples-to-apples unemployment rate — is 11%.

    And the real unemployed and underemployed rate — the so-called “U6” — is near 20%.

    Pucker up Obama lackeys, groupies and thugs. You have failed in every economic measure.

  157. Thanks for the ATF agent link. Wow.

    I just forwarded it to my “conservative” email list – that is now about twenty people. If they average forwarding it to ten down the road, it won’t take long until a lot of folks see it.

  158. R, take a deep breath, a little more of the monkey’s butt is about to show.
    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/newt-gingrich-pledges-personal-fidelity-to-my-spouse/

    ABC News’ Michael Falcone and Russell Goldman report:

    Newt Gingrich, who has married three times, promised personal fidelity going forward and provided a lengthy written response to an Iowa social conservative group’s so-called “Marriage Vow.” But he did not sign the pledge.

    “I also pledge to uphold the institution of marriage through personal fidelity to my spouse and respect for the marital bonds of others,” Gingrich wrote in response to The Family Leader’s request for him to sign the 14-point pledge.

    Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha. (Stops to take a deep breath.) Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha. 😉

  159. I just forwarded it to my “conservative” email list – that is now about twenty people. If they average forwarding it to ten down the road, it won’t take long until a lot of folks see it.

    So I guess I’ll have Pfesser to thank for any slow Internet speed today. 🙂

    I need to read up more on this whole Fast and Furious thing. I feel woefully ill informed on the matter.

  160. Not that it will resonate with many of you, but Christmas trees have little to do with Christ’s ministry. They actually started in Europe about a thousand years after his crucifiction, a co-opted pagan ritual probably adopted to appease my viking ancestors who were kicking the crap out of most of Northern Europe at the time. Do you claim any responsibility E.T.?

  161. Thor,

    Christmas trees? You are right, they have not little, but nothing to do with Christ’s ministries. Still, it is a nice tradition that my family (actually my wife and youngest daughter) celebrate each year with a real tree – and it is just beautiful and smells wonderful. My duties include carrying it in, putting in stand, and watering. Otherwise, the ladies of the house take care of all of it and I get to share in its pleasures.

    But there is a dishonesty in the debate when one denies there is a war ongoing toward Christ’s ministries and divinity. I’ll assume that is not want you are hinting.

    Rutherford actually helped change my mind yesterday. After watching the Huntsman and Gingrich debate exchange, which was excellent, I have decided a Gingrich and Huntsman ticket would just be super. 🙂 China is an issue far too important to dismiss, Huntsman presented himself well, and like Newt would do to Zero, Huntsman would do to Joe Burden – absolutely destroy the sham in debate.

    And since Bill Clinton was excused as serial rapist, even congratulated in many leftist circles for his libido, and there are now no longer any standards of behavior, and being I believe in forgiveness, a few trysts for Newt will be forgiven. 😀

    If I have to swallow a small dose of hypocrisy to get rid of Obama, I’ll bite the bullet.

    Face it, Thor. You’re smart enough to know that Obama is a massive failure. Now it is time for you to admit as much and work with the party most capable of pulling us out of the muck. You’ll do it if you love that family like I think you do.

  162. OK, I watched the rest of the “Lincoln-Douglas” debate. OK, I actually snoozed through some of it … what I get for watching it on a full stomach.

    It wasn’t a debate. The two candidates differed on almost nothing. That’s for starters.

    I retract nothing I said in my earlier statement about Newt. What Newt does rhetorically that suckers people like Tex is he enumerates every volley of discussion. “Well, there are three things ….”; “There are three or four things …” . It’s a great rhetorical trick because it leads the listener to believe Newt has this highly structured mind. Again, Newt is the stupid man’s idea of what a smart guy sounds like.

    Get beyond the enumeration and listen to the bombast. If Iran hits Israel with three or four nukes it will be the end of Judaism. That’s according to Newt. However, thanks to the VAST number of Jews living in the United States, Israel actually has a minority (barely) of Jews in the world. About 43% of the world’s Jews live in Israel. A full 39% of them live in the United States. So the notion that the end of Israel spells the end of Judaism is ridiculous on its face.

    Last week (not in the debate) Newt called the Palestinians “an invented people”. First of all, that makes no sense. In 1776 Americans were “an invented people”. Whenever a population seeks independence and sovereignty over their land they “invent” themselves. I haven’t researched it but ABC’s Christiane Amanpour said that as early as the late 1800’s Palestinians existed as a description of a people. So Newt’s comment is just wrong. But he says it to demonize and delegitimize these folks.

    But I digress … the “debate” left the viewer with little hope for a better tomorrow but rather fear that a belligerent and interfering America will get more of our young men and women (mostly from the lower classes) killed. I was particularly disappointed to see Huntsman say that we will probably have to act unilaterally against Iran and “that is a good thing” because we tend to do better when we act alone. So he’s ready to toss any gains we’ve made in international cooperation right out the window. It’s back to cowboy Bush.

    Ron Paul is looking better and better each day. 😐

  163. “Let me put it this way. I’d far rather some Christian hating mayor ban ‘filthy’ Christmas trees, than some Christian hating Muslims raze Orthodox churches like the church of the Nativity in Bethlehem.”

    You obviously didn’t read a single thing about the town of Nazareth Illit. Like I said…it was created because the Jews there didn’t want to mix with Christians and Muslims. It wasn’t founded because of Christmas trees.

    Jews not wanting to live with Christians in the childhood home of Jesus. And, by your own admission, you’re OK with that because it is Israel and not Muslims.

    You also obviously didn’t read the link I posted about Jewish settlers attacking Christian churches in Palestine. Either that, or you just don’t give a fuck about it because it is those dirty invented people you seem to hate, regardless of their faith.

    “Besides, what are you bent about a Jewish mayor hating on Christmas? He feels the exact same way you do about Christ. You wish Christianity would go the way of the dinosaur and is utter bunk, so I’m not feeling a great deal of true empathy by the Liberal Arts Asst. Prof. and his new found sensitivity of religious tolerance.”

    I am not trying to be empathetic. I am trying to expose your hypocrisy…which I have done more successfully than I could have ever imagined.

    And feel free to show me any quote of mine that remotely resembles me wanting Christianity to go any way. Just because I don’t want to live my life under the Bible’s rules doesn’t mean I give 2 shits if you do.

    “When are you going to comprehend that I’m not defending bad behavior or religious intolerance?”

    And yet you still have not condemned any 1 of the 3 examples (and believe me there are many more) of such. All you have done is explain them away with publication dates and your own moral equivalencies. At the end of the day, it if was last year or if there are worse events elsewhere, then it really doesn’t matter to you.

    How much of your tax dollars goes to protecting the Christian-hating Nazareth Illit? How much of your tax dollars funds Israeli settlements that house church vandals? Do you even care?

    Since it is Israel, I suspect you don’t. It can do no wrong in your hypocritical eyes.

  164. Thor, Jon Stewart recently noted that the founding fathers worked through December 25. So much for the sanctity of Christmas.

    The truth is that the Christian holiday of real import is Easter and I don’t recall the last time the Monday after Easter was declared a fed holiday. That goes for Good Friday as well. Wanna know why …. cos there’s no money in it.

    So much for your Christian country Tex and BiW. Bwahahahahahahaha! 😆

    We don’t worship Christ … we worship the almighty dollar.

  165. I guess Lowe’s didn’t buy enough advertising from the “proper” lame stream media outlets.

    All this focus on them pulling their ads from “All-American Muslim”, the new show with the ever-shrinking audience, when they are but one of MANY major advertisers who pulled out.

    http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Ftheamericanmuslim.org%2Ftam.php%2Ffeatures%2Farticles%2Fall-american-muslim%2F0018896&h=qAQEQxKKmAQFP8EltaQwAr1f–6wNe91iP1EDU6Y8xMwurw

  166. I am not trying to be empathetic. I am trying to expose your hypocrisy…which I have done more successfully than I could have ever imagined.

    I think your college has provided you with a false sense of worth and superiority, with delusions of grandeur. Only on a few occasions, have I seen you prove much of anything, much less something specific. If I were to guess, for the first time in your life, you feel a sense of real accomplishment reaching middle age. If you are truly naive enough to believe education on a college campus is the highest calling and achievement, you’re woefully misguided and ignorant to boot. You should walk humbly, because it appears before this, you have walked very little.

    Let me teach you something that you won’t learn in your sheltered, lib classroom, constricted by failures of higher education and your own bias and hatred for reasons unknown.

    Unless you want to end up like Rutherford, helpless and utterly void without hope or guidance – lashing out as a groupie of The One as the false messiah withers on the vine, either too stupid to be embarrassed at the gushing, fawning and genuflection of a failure, or finally impaled on the erect phallic of lunacy, you should set to heart the following: and remember to balance it against the horseshit you’re fed and happily choke each day in a self-admitted classroom of progressives.

    ——–

    Zuheir Mohsen, a leader in the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), in an inverview, March 1977, with the Dutch newspaper Trouw, said the following:

    “The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct Palestinian people to oppose Zionism.”

    “For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.”

    ‘Palestinians’ have no history, no ancient kings, no ancient texts. Their modern heroes are famous for murder. The most famous Palestinian is a murderous deviant who probably died of AIDS, now buried in a concrete filled hole in Ramallah, who was worth over $300MM dollars but left his people living in squalor.

    What history Palestinians have is manufactured, usurped from Jewish history, aided and abetted by satanic Koranic interpretations of Kings David and Solomon, and even Jesus. The Palestinians were constructed with one purpose: they are the most effective weapon the Islamic world has ever fielded against Israel.

    To recognize these facts for them would be to recognize the bankruptcy of their entire existence as a people. It would require them, to repudiate major Islamic tenets.

    Any legitimacy the Palestinians gain comes at Israel’s expense. Twice Israel has ceded land and been met with death.

    ———-

    Let me tell you what hypocrisy really is. It’s becoming outraged and scolding the room, slinking off for a few days after we collectively mocked you, as we laugh at jihadist’s expense of killing themselves – when their intent is to kill us. It’s hiding behind our military strength as you sit in the comfort of your progressive classroom finding fault with military methods and strategy, while you and your rubes aid our announced enemies with approval. It’s ignoring propaganda Hamas uses to educate their children to hate, but condemning a dumb Jewish mayor because he banned Christmas trees. Or making a moral equivalence of that to killing Orthodox Christians at the Church of the Nativity.

    It’s not my duplicity on trial. I have made it abundantly clear my support of Israel and Israeli Jews goes well beyond a classroom discussion and an argument of textbooks. It’s an absolute belief in the Jewish God – something you can’t even fathom as you spend each second in his universe denying His very existence.

    That should have been abundantly clear to you by now, LaHuck.

  167. Tex, there’s a typo in there. Just wanted to give you a heads up before Huck “crucifies” you. 😉 I don’t believe there is a “war” going on against Christ’s ministries and divinity. There are certainly attacks, but to have a war, both sides must take up arms. You can defend your faith wothout attacking the faith of others. That is the folly of fundamentalism, no matter what religion, even atheism. But He never said it was going to be easy, did He? Just ask Peter and Paul. 🙂

    I really don’t care where Newt dips his prick, I just found it funny that he made this grandiose, emphatic statement but refused to sign the pledge. What a douche.

    I don’t adore Obama like you think, but he certainly is not a failure.

    We have a fake tree, for many reasons, but we do get a live wreath every year to get the “smell” in the house.

  168. BiW I guess you figure there’s strength in numbers. If enough folks are Islamaphobes that makes it ok.

    I think it’s a shame that Lowe’s and ALL the others pulled out for fear of offending Robert Spencer acolytes like you Tex and Elric. 😦

    The Cosby Show went a long way toward destroying negative stereotypes about blacks. I haven’t watched All-American Muslim but I would hope it was reaching for the same result.

  169. Young children’s minds work better than our host. Somewhere, Spock weeps.

    Thor, Jon Stewart recently noted that the founding fathers worked through December 25. So much for the sanctity of Christmas.

    And that proves what exactly? I don’t think you will find our hospital workers abandoning the hospitals this Christmas, or our military taking the day off, or the farmer leaving his horse in the ditch until December 26th.

    You know what I like best about you, Rutherford? The unintended humor.

    It’s when you believe you have provided the real knockout bullet to your own liberal argument, usually accompanied by a buwahahaha, or a ROFLMAO. or a blip stolen from Steward after Obama failed you, and you wait around for the rest of us to ooh and ahhh at your intellect, your logic, and your depth.

    And we quietly snicker at the screen, trembling with anticipation of should we humiliate you on your own blog, or play nice?

  170. I do miss the smell. I haven’t had a live tree since I was very little. It’s been fake most of my childhood and all my adult years.

    With that said, the tree looks quite good this year. My daughter doesn’t believe in Santa Claus but the jury is still out on God. I am trying real hard to let her come to her own conclusions in that department.

  171. Tex, there’s a typo in there. Just wanted to give you a heads up before Huck “crucifies” you. 😉

    Thanks. If you knew how little I proofread, I’m surprised there isn’t typos. 🙂

    Contrary to Huck’s assertions, I only played spell Nazi with assholes. Given time, if I so choose as I did with you, Huck is hardly the grammatical champion. I am a patient man, and if the mood strikes me, I’ll hammer him some more.

    No harm. It will help Liberal Arts Huck’s fragile ego.

    I don’t believe there is a “war” going on against Christ’s ministries and divinity. There are certainly attacks, but to have a war, both sides must take up arms. You can defend your faith wothout attacking the faith of others. That is the folly of fundamentalism, no matter what religion, even atheism. But He never said it was going to be easy, did He? Just ask Peter and Paul.

    Then undoubtedly you missed his parting message, and the message of both Peter and Paul. Because that is exactly what Christ told us would happen. Something about the world hating you? I’m surprised you missed that. You read a little better read.

    But then you don’t believe Obama a failure either. How you come to that conclusion is still TBD. Hang around long enough, and I’ll figure it out.

  172. Another demonstration of Rutherford’s profound theological ignorance of the Bible:

    I call foul. Your “Jewish God” doesn’t let Jews into heaven. Who are you kidding?

    Matthew 17:1-5
    After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.

    Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.”

    While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”

    Was that Moses Malone and Elijah Pitts, of basketball and football fame?

    You were saying again, Rutherford?

  173. Tex, looks like the jury is still out.

    http://idealab.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/12/cern-not-sure-if-what-its-seeing-is-higgs-boson.php?ref=skyboxes

    Maybe I’m reading it incorrectly, but how can the Higgs-B be predicted at a mass a hundred times larger than a proton? I thought the “God particle” was suppose to be a building block of sub-atomic particles. Wouldn’t this mass suggest that it is not a building block, but rather, the block that is built?

  174. Tex, I think we’ve been down this road before. Despite your biblical verse, isn’t a prerequisite to entry to heaven accepting Christ as your savior? Jews don’t do that, hence no admission ticket.

  175. Tex, you disappoint me. No defense of Newt’s “Iran will end Judaism” bombast?

    From your latest comment on Palestinians, I gather Newt is now your man. You and he sing from the same choir book.

    2012 is going to be lots of fun. I’m truly looking forward to it. Now if I could only make a buck or two while watching the show that would be ideal.

  176. Speaking of making a buck …. I saw an interesting face-off on Morning Joe the other day between Steve Rattner (Obama’s former “car czar”) and Jeffrey Miron, a Harvard economist. Contrary to most folks opinion here of Harvard, Miron is a libertarian opposed to bailouts and stimulus packages.

    What I found amusing was the almost childish nature of the exchange. Miron says that the world would not have come to an end if the banks had not been bailed out and Rattner says “not true”. It felt like two boys arguing “you’re a poop head” “I know you are but what am I?”

    I’ll say this much, Miron had me rethinking my assumptions about the bank and auto bailouts. Maybe we would be better off to let capitalism do its thing?

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/ns/msnbc_tv-morning_joe/#45638142

  177. Thor,

    I read that today too, and I am confused as well about the Higgs Boson. Undoubtedly, I have misunderstood the intent of finding “God particle.”

    Pfesser likes this stuff too, and hopefully he will chime in, but my understanding of HB was that it was thought the discovery would provide physicists the answers to the fundamental questions about our existence of how all four forces in nature are unified.

    After reading the article, I didn’t come away with that understanding.

  178. Tex, you disappoint me. No defense of Newt’s “Iran will end Judaism” bombast?

    Newt’s conclusion was that 3-4 nuclear bombs will end the existence of Israel itself. Perhaps I would have phrased it differently, as you are right Israel only accounts for about 40% of the world’s Jews if memory serves. But Israel in the strictest since is considered the home of Judaism, their ancestral home with Jerusalem as its capital. If you were to review the historical account, Jews are not referenced as ‘Judaism’, but ‘Israel and the twelve tribes of Jacob’.

    Jews living anywhere else are affiliated with the Diaspora.

    I found Newt’s conclusion quite sound. If Iran happens to develop a nuclear bomb, and Jerusalem failed to act, they will perish. The ones that should be fearful if Iran happens to construct a bomb are the Iranians.

  179. Newt said only one thing that resonated with me from a foreign affairs perspective. Anyone who will strap a bomb to a child in order to kill the “enemy” will not think twice about using a nuke. They are friggin’ unhinged. I DO agree with that.

    But at this point, Pakistan scares me much more than Iran.

  180. Israel only accounts for about 40% of the world’s Jews if memory serves.

    No need to tax your memory. I provided you with a link with the exact percentages from 2010. The number is about 43%.

  181. BiW I guess you figure there’s strength in numbers. If enough folks are Islamaphobes that makes it ok.

    Actually, after reading a cousin’s post about it on FB this morning, I got curious and started to check it out more. He admitted to never having watched the show, and only read about the FFA on a few websites before concluding that Lowe’s bailed because they are just a bunch of haterz and wingerz, and that while he graciously acknowledged their right to do what they want with their money, he wasn’t going to give them anymore of his.

    Up until I read that, I didn’t much care, but it got me curious, especially when I read that Keith Elison decided to accuse them of violating the First Amendment (The Uninversity of Minnesota Law School must have been sooooo proud of their former student for that bit of legal brilliance).

    I started to get curious and started digging.

    It seems that the show premiered to a whole 1.7 share in the Neilsen ratings. (By comparison, the other reality shows on cable for the last week of November excluding ESPN programing averaged about 3.5- 3.3 share…that’s Pawn Stars/Swamp People ratings.) And since the debut, the ratings have dropped consistently, to around just one million households, which is cancellation territory for a lot of shows.

    Now I find it interesting that the muslim website I referred you to is willing to admit that they cannot say for certain that all those advertisers bailed because of pressure from wingerz and bigotz, but you seem to have it all figured out, despite the fact that a little research with BING should help you to see that there is a legitmate business reason for these companies, some of which are as large or larger than LOWE’S to be pulling their advertising. More of that famous Rutherford insight, perhaps?

    I’m sure if the show was of an opposite bent, say All-American Christian, and the ratings were in the tank and the Freedom From Religion Foundation had called for a boycott of the shows advertisers and someone suggested that it was racism and bigotry that had influenced advertisers to pull their ads, it wouldn’t be denounced by you as a means to boost flagging ratings, right? I’m not doing so, I just suspect that there might be a perfectly reasonable alternate explaination.

    Especially since I’ve never heard of the FFA before, and I know other groups have tried to pressure companies like P & G from sponsoring shows with little to no effect before.

    But please, continue to ascribe the worst motives to people who are in the business of selling stuff to people (which is why they try NOT to piss them off).

  182. “Liar. Your belief is dependent on adoration.”

    Or upon this list …

    It’s better to gain jobs, however slowly, than to shed 780,000 a month.

    It’s better to have a growing economy, however slowly, than one that is showing negative growth.

    It is better to cut my taxes than raise them.

    It is better to have our troops home than in Iraq.

    It is better to have three domestic auto makers than one.

    It is better to let our troops serve honestly than to make them lie in order to serve in defense of our country.

    It is better to have Osama feeding the fishes than feeding the fires of radical Islam.

    It is far better to re-elect Obama than elect any of the Republican’t morons riding in the elephant ass-clown bus.

    Now is that the ether of adoration or the realization that all of these idiots have doubled down on the destructive policies of Bush and would gravitate right back to them, given the chance?

  183. Then undoubtedly you missed his parting message, and the message of both Peter and Paul.” Tex

    Please elaborate. Unless you are equating simplicity with ease.

    In a hurry, and I will try to elaborate later about the parting message. But the easiest example of spiritual, and here I’ll use the word cultural warfare is Ephesians 6

    Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

  184. I’ll say this much, Miron had me rethinking my assumptions about the bank and auto bailouts. Maybe we would be better off to let capitalism do its thing?

    Um, DUH?

    Aside from the referee getting into the game aspect, which I guess is only scary to people who counted on the ref to just be the freaking ref, you also are propping up companies that did not operate efficiently or smartly, i.e. those that can’t make it on their own, and you’re doing so with TAXPAYER MONEY…WITHOUT TAXPAYER CONSENT. You don’t pay your taxes to have the government pick winners and losers in the private sector.

    And the too big too fail argument was stupid. Big companies have failed before. Studebaker and American Motors come to mind. Yes, people lost jobs, but the sun still rose the next morning, and the remaining companies managed to stay in business without the sugar from Uncle Sam.

    In bailing out the banks, I’m not convinced that we fixed anything, so much as we prolonged the inevitable. I’m afraid that I’ll be proven right about that when the Euro craters, but history shows that when businesses fail, other companies pick up the pieces. They may alter how they do business, but products and services are still sold.

  185. Hate to tell you this Thor, my new friend, but I could easily discard every one of those you’ve listed in your adoration file as in error. Iraq I might give you, but that remains to be seen.

    Our economy has clearly contracted – not grown. We are still hemorrhaging jobs, as the real market pool continues to shrink as I noted earlier today. 8.6% is a mathematical trick but not true. We would not have one car company (Honda America for starters). Our relationship with the middle east more strained than ever. Taxes have not been cut, they’ve been raised significantly other than FICA, and have only been deferred when due.

    Argue later…maybe even convince you if you’re fair. 😉

  186. Tex,

    God is not Jewish. How stupid is that? God is God of ALL creation. There were not any Jews in the beginning. The word Jew came from the tribe of Judah. Jacob, later called Israel, was the father of the Hebrews of which one of his twelve sons was named Judah. Moses was a Hebrew. Elijah was a prophet of the most High God. Neither were Jews. The word wasn’t used until the 18th century.

    So, there is no such thing as the God of the Jews. The “believers”, whether Jew or not, denounced their past. That is the whole point. If you spend more time in the NT you’d see that. Then again, unless God is revealing what you read to you on a spiritual level, you could still miss it.

    Galatians 3:7 says, “Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham.”

    Were the Magi Jews? No. Were they believers? Yes. They are children of Abraham, as are any true believers today.

    Rutherford hits it right in 250.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Huck,

    The links you provided about the Israelis vandalizing mosques and terrorizing the Muslims and Christians living there is not new to me. I have been getting that information for some time now. But don’t expect these guys to believe it. It is frustrating how prevalent the disconnect is. But then again, look who controls their media.

    It is often overlooked that Israel helped establish and support Hamas as a religious force to fight against the secular PLO. Hamas used to have Jewish infiltrators that kept Israel abreast of real threats and the inside scoop. Since the PLO was basically defeated, Hamas has cleansed itself of infiltrators and is seen as a terrorist organization, even though they have done much to provide social services to their people.

    Instigators. Us white folks have a serious problem with leaving others alone.

  187. “/Swamp People”

    Is that a show or a demographic? 😉

    BiW, I heard that Kagan has recused herself from the Arizona “Alien and Sedition Acts” case. What happens if there is a tie?

  188. BiW, I heard that Kagan has recused herself from the Arizona “Alien and Sedition Acts” case. What happens if there is a tie?

    From one of Rutherford’s favorite reads:

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2004/11/what_happens_in_ascotus_tie.html

    But Wiki (take it for what you will) mentions the possibility of tossing it back to the Court of Appeas.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procedures_of_the_Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States

  189. “Hamas has cleansed itself of infiltrators and is seen as a terrorist organization, even though they have done much to provide social services to their people.” – P

    And the Nazi trains ran on time. Now I’m puking in aisle 7.

  190. Hey Tool ™ ‘Man’

    God is not Jewish. How stupid is that? God is God of ALL creation. There were not any Jews in the beginning. The word Jew came from the tribe of Judah.

    How stupid is it to make accusation that I made such a discrete claim, dummy? You’ve been burned so many times for your idiocy, now you resort to mischaracterization, lies or exaggeration to open with your drivel. You don’t think I learned at, oh about the age of five, where the word Jew derived, poseur?

    Place this in to your practically empty head, bohunk. Yes, there is a God of the Jews, who called the Jews “His People.” That doesn’t change that God is the God of all Creation and His physical manifestation the savior.

    If you can find where I have said otherwise, dummy, I’ll kiss your pink, little, lily ass.

    If not, how about you pucker up and kiss my manly one?

    ————-

    Thor, a few things you have to understand about Poolman. One, he hates Israel immensely – he seeks out propaganda to damage in various capacities. I think he believes it makes him look informed with the cut and paste; in part his m.o. is to appease all of Israeli’s sworn enemies. Two, Dummy hates America – again, he will always spins America in the worst light. Three, he hates himself, but doesn’t know it.

    Picture an ugly, male counterpart of Jane Fonda.

  191. I had an Organic Chemistry class that I tutored a gal who had the biggest natural breasts on the skinniest set of hips I have ever seen. She was 21 years old and not bad to look at either. Everything she wore was tight on her by nature. One day, she caught me sneaking a peak at her beautiful cleavage when I thought she was staring down at her book, and she actually asked me this same question with a smirk on her face. True story.

    I only wish I had been this clever in my response…. 😆

    http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/82069490/

  192. Numbnutz, let’s see. Obama hasn’t detonated a nuke in a populated US city either. . . yet. 😆 😆 😆

    Thanks for making the point.

    Hmm. Sorry. Demoted to anaerobic organism.

  193. Regarding the breasts video …. I was much less intellectual when it happened to me. Actually in my case, at college, it was not the woman who called me out but her dorm roommate who was also a friend of mine. She (the roommate) sat down at my table in the cafeteria and said “you’re disgusting. I saw you staring at Betsy’s boobs on the cafeteria line.” I replied “hey she was wearing a tight sweater and I never knew they were so big before.” After she persisted, I told her she was just jealous I hadn’t been staring at her breasts.

    Believe it or not we remained friends through the end of college and sadly Betsy died in a car crash some five or six years after graduation. I’ll always remember her fondly. (In fact, when I told my Mom that Betsy had died, her response was “was she the one with the big boobs?”

  194. Thor, listing Obama’s accomplishments, and your list was quite good, falls on deaf ears around here. Obama-haters cannot give him credit for anything. A large part of it is revenge for what they believe was unwarranted attacks on Bush 43.

    Again, I applaud your list. You stayed away from one item in particular that liberals love to flaunt and your restraint was quite smart. 😉

  195. Well BiW that cause/effect thing can sometimes be tricky. The presence of FFA in the mix casts a suspicious light on the advertiser pullouts especially since low rated shows are not new to cable. Unlike the “big 3 networks” (I guess really five now when you count Fox and CW) cable networks are much more forgiving of low ratings. I would guess any other show without the dumb controversy would have been allowed to run a full season of low ratings, with advertisers in tact and then be cancelled.

    Besides, while I can’t swear to this, I don’t think advertisers go episode by episode. They commit to be shown during a particular show and they hope for the best ratings wise. If ratings don’t materialize then they might pull out of a second season.

    Regardless, it would be nice to see you condemn FFA for their ass-hattery. I won’t hold my breath.

  196. What was there to flaunt, Rutherford? Virtually all of those listed were either nonfactual, nonsense opinion based on the same old tired rhetoric, or desperation. The economy is clearly not growing, and is in fact shrinking based on the proportionate size of the workforce. Unemployment is over 4% of what Obama adopted when really measured, and that’s after accruing more than $4.5Trillion dollars in debt – surpassing what Bush did in 8 years.

    Perhaps Iraq which is still debatable, and I give credit to killing Obama that Zero gave the order. Did he have a choice? No, not really. But Thor failed to mention where and how the information leading to the capture was gleaned, and that not in dispute as told from Leon Panetta – hardly a biased Republican.

    We’ve clearly proven around here for at least two years now almost daily, that Obama’s economic policy couldn’t have been worse, that he was irreparably damaged the economy, his foreign policy other than Bin Laden an unmitigated disaster, and the hundreds of campaign promises Zero either lied about or remain unfulfilled. The uniter? Hardly? We’ve never been more divided, the lobbyists are running wild, GITMO remains open, and the deficit most certainly has not been halved as Zero promised. Maybe he kept the seas from rising? Afghanistan is lost, Iraq after being won may be lost, cash for clunkers became a national joke, GM is performing poorly, and Chrysler was bought after cheating its shareholders. Eric Holder should not just be impeached, but possibly should be handed an orange jumpsuit. We’ve had over 40 unelected czars, over 7,000 pieces of costly and needless regulation killing small business, our domestic energy policy unknown and offshore drilling practically dead, and Louisiana folk actually believe the BP spill handled far worse than Katrina.

    Both of you won’t acknowledge your brand of hypocrisy about belittling Bush’s strategies then cheering when Obama adopted them, even doubling down on the very strategies Obama campaigned against. If you both weren’t partisan hacks, you’d both have a sense of embarrassment and move on calling for HRottenC, or some other sham. Instead, your own self worth so ingrained in the miserable fraud and his abomination for a wife, you bend the few remaining half truths to make him still palatable.

    If Obama was only half as good as you two claim, the Presidential race wouldn’t be in question. And the only way Obama wins is to demonize, because he certainly isn’t talking about his record anymore. When is the last time you heard Obama mention his crowning achievement – the euphemistically called Affordability Act?

    Clearly, Barack Obama was an effective community organizer, stealing money for liberal black theology. But his Presidency is an epic failure.

  197. “It is better to have our troops home than in Iraq.”

    George W. Bush thought so, too. That’s why he negotiated the withdrawal date of Dec. 31, 2011.

    Sorry, but Obama get absolutely no credit for that. Especially when we know he tried to convince the Iraqis to ask us to stay.

  198. From 269:

    How stupid is it to make accusation that I made such a discrete claim, dummy?

    The claim that “God is Jewish” was based on your earlier comment from 237:

    It’s an absolute belief in the Jewish God

    That is stated as if the Jews have a specific god. There is no Jewish god and God is not Jewish. There is no Muslim god. There is no Christian god. The one true God is God of all.

    Jesus, whom I believe to have been God in the flesh, grew up “Jewish”, even though His DNA was divine. He was the “seed” of Abram (Abraham) as promised in Genesis 9:9 through whom God’s covenant with His “chosen” would be established.

    If you mean the Hebrew god, do you recall God telling Moses to let Him destroy all those stiff-necked people? “Let me alone, so that I may destroy them and blot out their name from under heaven. And I will make you into a nation stronger and more numerous than they.” Moses interceded – after he threw down the tablets.

    All except for two of the group of Hebrews that left Egypt died off in the wilderness and were not allowed to enter the “promised land”?

    If you want to get technical, according to Revelation only 144,000 of the “tribes of Israel” get saved, and only after they accept Christ.

    Or you can go all Religious Right-like Jehovah Witness-like…

  199. There are some Obama accomplishments that seem to be forgotten…

    It is better to allow the president to bomb who he wants than to have him ask Congress for permission.

    It is better to regulate than to legislate.

    It is better to keep people in secret CIA black sites than to send them to Gitmo.

    It is better to cover up failed and arguably illegal policies than to be transparent about them.

    It is better to invest in shelved bad loans than to not waste millions for photo ops.

  200. Thor, listing Obama’s accomplishments, and your list was quite good, falls on deaf ears around here. Obama-haters cannot give him credit for anything. A large part of it is revenge for what they believe was unwarranted attacks on Bush 43.

    Again, I applaud your list. You stayed away from one item in particular that liberals love to flaunt and your restraint was quite smart.” – R

    Do you really want to talk about deaf ears? The unemployment rank dropped to 8.6% not because of the 120,000 hired, but because 300,000+ LEFT THE JOB MARKET. Hey math wiz, do the math and you see the fallacy of the claim. The economy is working INSPITE of the Administration, not as a result of the Administration.

  201. Hmmmmmmmmm……

    A new NBC News/Wall Street Journal national poll of Republican voters has Newt Gingrich expanding his lead over Mitt Romney — gaining the support of 40 percent of GOPers.

    The full horse-race:

    • Gingrich 40
    • Romney 23
    • Paul 9
    • Bachmann 8
    • Perry 6
    • Huntsman 5
    • Santorum 3

    According to the poll, in a three-way race, Gingrich extends his lead to 53 percent, Romney polls at 31 percent and Paul takes in just 13 percent.

  202. (NYP) They’ve been demonized and denounced for not doing their fair share.

    But a new analysis released yesterday shows that the top 1 percent of New York City’s moneymakers paid 43.2 percent of the city’s income tax — even though they accounted for just 33.8 percent of total income here.

    Acting on a request from City Councilman James Oddo (R-SI), the Independent Budget Office reviewed 410,000 of the 3,462,000 tax returns filed here in 2009, the latest year available.

    “Both income and tax liabilities are highly concentrated among the most affluent New Yorkers,” the IBO reported.

    The findings backed up claims by Mayor Bloomberg and others who warn that the city can’t afford to lose the super-rich because they’re picking up a big chunk of the income-tax tab.

    A total of 34,598 filers made it into the exclusive 1percent club with a minimum adjusted gross income of $493,439.

    Then there were those in the top 10 percent who had incomes of at least $105,400 and chipped in 71.2 percent of income-tax collections, while pulling in just 58.2 percent of income generated here.

    Did you catch that R, the top 10% of tax payers in NYC pay 71.2% of ALL taxes. This is a beautiful case-in-point. Do you really think $105,000 in NYC is rich? Hardly considering the cost of living there.

  203. “Now is that the ether of adoration or the realization that all of these idiots have doubled down on the destructive policies of Bush and would gravitate right back to them, given the chance?”

    Ether of adoration.

    You and R are deluded. By any objective measure, Obama’s a failure and your list doesn’t change that.

    By his own standards he’s a failure. Is it really necessary to trot out his campaign and presidential promises and compare them to what you refer to as accomplishments? Have the oceans receded yet?

    Damn. Over 20% unemployment, no plan, and will shoot down the pipeline. Dismal, depressing — lowest ratings to date.

    Sad the point of my hyperbole is lost on you.

    Those are not “accomplishments. The fact that’s all you can put down in support if this ass-clown proves what a failure he is.

    It’s better get Obama the fuck out than allow him to throw the country off the edge of the cliff.

    You guys are delusional.

  204. You want a demonstration of why all liberals must die need to be removed from any position of authority immediately?

    There are only three possible explanations to this one: (1) Mendacity (2) Incompetence (3) Abject stupidity. Jane Poolman Fonda was probably running the data for the EPA concerning this one. Had to be.

    The EPA has indeed found hydraulic “fracking” is poisoning the ground water. They found traces of hydrocarbons in the water. Yep, sure did. They drilled two monitoring wells 600 feet below the water table and found methane bubbling through poisoning the well. Sure enough.

    The morons drilled through the water table into the gas reservoir. 😡

    So who sues the EPA for cleanup?

  205. Regardless, it would be nice to see you condemn FFA for their ass-hattery. I won’t hold my breath.

    Would that be before or after your condemnation of the people who were “boycotting” advertisers of shows on FOX, like Beck’s broadcast?

    I don’t care if they believed the cast members are jihadis in mufti, or they just looked at the fact that the share is down to one million households (which for cable is low)…it is their money to do with what they wish.

    End of story.

  206. I don’t care if they believed the cast members are jihadis in mufti, or they just looked at the fact that the share is down to one million households (which for cable is low)…it is their money to do with what they wish.

    You’re not paying attention. The FFA felt the cast members were not representative of real Muslims and created a false impression that Muslims are just like everyone else (including peaceful and BORING). In other words, the FFA are f*cking bigots.

    As for Glenn Beck … when he utters hate speech he and his sponsors deserve to be boycotted. So why would I oppose that?

  207. Tex I love it when you plumb new depths of stupidity.

    Thor failed to mention where and how the information leading to the capture was gleaned, and that not in dispute as told from Leon Panetta – hardly a biased Republican.

    Sorry that is VERY much in dispute regardless of what Panetta said. He’s been contradicted by others. Believe whom you want to believe.

    We’ve clearly proven around here for at least two years now almost daily, that Obama’s economic policy couldn’t have been worse, that he was irreparably damaged the economy

    Before I call you a fool on this one, I assume you meant “HAS irreparably damaged the economy”. I’m not playing grammar police here. If you meant “was irreparably damaged BY the economy” then we have a different argument.

    So let’s assume you meant “HAS irreparably damaged ….” Do you know what the word “irreparably” means Sparky? It means it can’t be fixed. So why haven’t you moved to another country by now? There’s no hope right? Can’t be fixed. Why are you going to even bother to vote in November of next year? Can’t be fixed.

    You see your constant hyperbole only makes you the fool and reduces you to zero credibility on these matters. The rhetoric is fueled by Obama-hate, not a rational analysis of where we are right now.

  208. Rutherford,

    You do not have a right to not be offended.

    Accepting the first amendment means taking the bad with the good.

    “Hate speech” is no more acceptable a concept as “hate crime” because

    (a) someone can always be offended by something that someone else says or does

  209. “You see your constant hyperbole only makes you the fool and reduces you to zero credibility on these matters. The rhetoric is fueled by Obama-hate, not a rational analysis of where we are right now.”

    You are a hypocrite of epic proportions with your Obama love, Rutherford.

    You’ll vote for Obama for no other reason to protect your ego. That exhaustive list of ‘accomplishments” you admire, as I’ve said, places my house cat above Obama. Well that and about 70% of the country that think he stinks too. — or should I say disdain.

    I would love to have seem defend a republican with that list of “accomplishments” if those were what was being pointed to after 3 years.

  210. and (b) because when it comes down to it, the underlying concept of both is ciminalizing someones thoughts and beliefs.

    No one has ceded that power to government, and no one should.

    If you want to stop “supporting” something personally because it has an element you find repulsive, that’s your right.

    If you want to ask others to join you, that’s your right, but to assume that your distatse is more righteous than theirs? You nned to check yourself.

    Me? I find the notion of boycotts silly. If you don’t like what someone says, stop listening. If you don’t want to support something, don’t. But I find the whole idea of rallying others to share your outrage and “punish” someone for saying what they think or believe to be contrary to the concept of freedom.

    I also find the idea that that the FFA, which I never heard of before this, could cause any of these retailers to pull their ads, especially in light of Focus on the Family’s siimilar efforts against P & G for some their stated policies and beliefs that went on for years with no discernable effect.

  211. Lowe’s is free to sponsor what they want and I am free to shop where I want….

    Which is now Home Depot.

    Also, Newt is a fucking idiot. Any national identity is “invented.” Palestinian, Israeli, and American included.

  212. Thought you’d like some gallows humor to round out your day. Text hot off the keyboard from my stepdaughter, the public defender in CO:

    “My client is charged with raping his stepdaughters, 14 and 13. The 14 year old is giving birth in February. Client’s sister is outraged that I am handling the case and she’s contacting the NAACP because she think they’re only going after Client because he’s black.”

    F’ me running. And I thought sitting in a dark room looking at black and white pictures all day and talking to yourself was a drag. No-shoe man, meet no-feet woman…

  213. Obama is in the unenviable position of proving an alternate reality. In other words, the only way we can PROVE that Obama’s actions prevented matters from being even worse is to get in a time machine, go back and do it differently (i.e. no stimulus, no bailout) and then measure the results. Unfortunately we can’t do that. So what you get, per my earlier comment in this thread, are economists like Steve Rattner and Jeffrey Miron arguing hypotheticals influenced by their own economic philosophies.

    Now I know it’s lame to bring up old George W but the truth is when measured up to George W, Obama is freaking George Washington.

    W:
    Took us from a surplus to a mind crushing deficit.
    Fought two wars OFF the f*cking BOOKS!!
    Introduced the notion that torture is cool.
    Gave the rich a completely unnecessary tax reduction that we are still fighting over today.
    Expanded Medicare such that even conservatives now condemn him for it.
    Lost thousands of lives (thousands MORE than those lost on 9/11) in a war against a concept (terror) that will never end and cannot be “won”. Plus, he decided along the way to do some nation building while his own nation crumbled underneath his boot.

    So, when you wanna talk failed presidencies, I say you look no further than January 19, 2009, old Georgie’s last full day in office. 👿

  214. You do not have a right to not be offended.

    You’re absolutely right. But I do have the right to express my disgust by not buying a sponsor’s product. I do have a right to react to being offended.

  215. “I find the notion of boycotts silly. If you don’t like what someone says, stop listening. If you don’t want to support something, don’t. But I find the whole idea of rallying others to share your outrage and “punish” someone for saying what they think or believe to be contrary to the concept of freedom.”

    It might be contrary to the concept of freedom but it sits squarely in the wheelhouse of democracy.

  216. “My client is charged with raping his stepdaughters, 14 and 13. The 14 year old is giving birth in February. Client’s sister is outraged that I am handling the case and she’s contacting the NAACP because she think they’re only going after Client because he’s black.”

    Did she look to see if her client held himself out as religious to evaluate his guilt before responding to the racial allegation? 😆

    PF, now the “you’re only doing this because I am black” is something I have witnesses and dealt with my entire legal career.

  217. Also, Newt is a fucking idiot. Any national identity is “invented.” Palestinian, Israeli, and American included.

    Bravo Huck. I believe I said this in a more wordy fashion back at 231:

    Last week (not in the debate) Newt called the Palestinians “an invented people”. First of all, that makes no sense. In 1776 Americans were “an invented people”. Whenever a population seeks independence and sovereignty over their land they “invent” themselves.

  218. “So, when you wanna talk failed presidencies, I say you look no further than January 19, 2009, old Georgie’s last full day in office.”

    Oh I see. That means Obama has a lot of accomplishments?

  219. Tigre, don’t you know all black folks are religious? Where you been, Boy? That’s why there are so many mother-rapers and father-stabbers. Father rapers! Father rapers, sittin’ there on the Group W bench! (Oh wait a minute – that’s something else…)

    There is a big difference between, “a vast majority of father-rapers are religious fundamentalists” and “a vast majority of fundies are father-rapers.”

    Try to keep it between the yellow lines, son. But don’t worry; when you stray, I’m right here to get you back on the beam.

  220. We can play tit-for-tat all day long.

    O:
    Took W’s debt and tripled it in less than 3 years
    Ignored War Powers Act
    Is continuing nation-building efforts
    Fast & Furious
    Solyndra

    It’s easy and boring.

    If we want a real challenge, try and find the positive things about the president you hate.

    IMO, Obama’s main accomplishment is that he has been incredibly hawkish against individual terrorists. Nations may laugh at us, but terrorists shit their pants.

  221. Pfesser, let me get this straight. Your step-daughter is DEFENDING the guy and his sister is upset? What does she want, a black attorney? She doesn’t like the defense your daughter is planning to mount? I don’t get it.

    This reminds me of when an employee charged me with discrimination based on his disability (I sh*t you not). When the corporate investigator arrived on the scene, my employee balked because the investigator was black and would therefore naturally side with me. This dude’s job was to investigate and defend the case of the employee, and my employee basically insulted him to his face.

    Wild stuff!

    BTW, I won the dispute but the letter sent to my employee by my director was so damned mealy-mouthed that he felt vindicated. Is it any wonder I don’t want to return to corporate America … unless they pay me a sh*tload of money?

  222. “Whenever a population seeks independence and sovereignty over their land they “invent” themselves.”

    It doesn’t even require that much effort.

    In social sciences, a “nation” is not always defined by borders. It can be made up of a shared language, culture, religion, history and/or ethnicity.

    Nationality is simply one of many layers of individual and collective identities.

  223. “There is a big difference between, “a vast majority of father-rapers are religious fundamentalists” and “a vast majority of fundies are father-rapers.””

    There’s also a big difference between “rapers” and rappers” too.

    Tell you step-daughter to be sure and complete her investigation before determining guilt!

  224. Well Huck I give you credit for reaching deep down and pulling one out.

    I agree that the tit-for-tat is pretty much a waste of time (and I engage mostly out of anger). What any responsible person needs to do is truly evaluate how replacing Obama would improve matters. That can only be done by looking at what his potential replacements have said.

  225. “IMO, Obama’s main accomplishment is that he has been incredibly hawkish against individual terrorists. Nations may laugh at us, but terrorists shit their pants”

    And did so by violating every principle he ran on when discussing why Bush’s replacement should be him.

    R, why so upset? I thought you were accusing us of being driven by hate.

  226. “I missed the part where were a democracy.”

    Yeah and I missed the part where people talk about spreading republics around the world.

    People have no problems using the word “democracy” as a generic term to describe our system of government up until it gets used to support a position they don’t like. Then they suddenly get technical.

    If that’s the best counter you’ve got then you’ve lost the argument.

  227. “And did so by violating every principle he ran on when discussing why Bush’s replacement should be him.”

    That’s not really the point, Tiger. You are either in favor of that policy, or you are not.

    Which is it?

  228. “Which, according to the muslim website I found listing the advertisers who bailed, also pulled its ads from the show.”

    Thanks for the info.

    Not that it really matters since I can’t afford to do any home improvements, anyway….

  229. “Well Huck I give you credit for reaching deep down and pulling one out.”

    Since the comparisons were between Obama and Bush, I was kind of looking for some reciprocation.

    Surely you can muster something positive (and not laced with sarcasm) to say about Bush’s 8 years.

  230. Word is that Home Depot says its position regarding the pulling of ads from American Muslim has been “misrepresented.”

    I am looking for an actual statement by them saying as much, but no luck so far.

    I do find it interesting, however, that such a claim wasn’t mentioned in BiW’s comment. It is included on EVERY site I see talking about that list.

    I guess specifics in wording are only applied to “democracy” and “republic” and not to potentially misrepresented bullshit.

  231. Surely you can muster something positive (and not laced with sarcasm) to say about Bush’s 8 years.

    Absolutely.

    Philosophically he ran as a compassionate conservative and I think in his heart he felt that way.

    His record on Africa aid is most admirable.

    Whether or not you agree with no child left behind, it did show a commitment to improving education in our country … the real foundation of our future. We cannot continue to be lead by dumbf*cks.

    I’m sure if I gave it some more thought I could come up with a few more.

    For the record, contrary to popular belief on this board, I was mortified and deeply ashamed when folks sang “na na na na hey hey hey goodbye” at the inauguration. Another symptom of the decline of our society.

  232. Rutherford –

    I was a little confused too, but texts can be a little terse. I think the problem is that she is a young white chick, not Johnny Cochran.

    She is unfortunately getting tagged around her office as the sex-offense girl. She has another guy who claims he is innocent because he has “sexomnia” – and wakes up in the middle of the night, sleepwalks and rapes folks. His parents are furious at my daughter because she told them “Look, the DA offered you a plea with no jail time; that is what we are going to take; WE ARE NOT going to plead innocent by reason of SEXOMNIA.

    Unfortunately the other public defender used to be a prosecutor and has even less sympathy.

    It’s still the wild west out there…

  233. “That’s not really the point, Tiger. You are either in favor of that policy, or you are not.”

    It’s my point.

    If you missed them the comparisons to Bush were made by R in defense of Obama’s “accomplisments.”

    You can complete the thought. . .

  234. Nations may laugh at us, but terrorists shit their pants.

    Nations as in 307? I think they are receiving the most casualties.

    Terrorists AND their associates.

    And we’re back to dictator rule dictation rules semantics and dictates of legal representatives. 😐

  235. People have no problems using the word “democracy” as a generic term to describe our system of government up until it gets used to support a position they don’t like. Then they suddenly get technical.

    I had no problems with it? Really?

    Unlike the Occupests and idiots in the media cheering them on, I’ve actually read The Federalist Papers, and understand that while you might say that we are a democratic republic, we are not a democracy, because those old dead white guys KNEW what democracy looks like, and didn’t want that for us.

    You want to make your generalization, fine. You want to scoop me into it, you better bring proof of my membership.

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  236. Whys is you step-daughter discussing his defense with you, and why are you reporting it on a blog? Really. That is extraordinarily unethical. So too was the business you claim was discussed with your so-called “prosecutor friend.”

  237. “It’s my point.”

    Then don’t quote me in it.

    “If you missed them the comparisons to Bush were made by R in defense of Obama’s “accomplisments.””

    And if you missed it, I was attempting to shift away from negative comparisons and find something positive.

    I am sorry that doesn’t flow with your agenda.

  238. “And if you missed it, I was attempting to shift away from negative comparisons and find something positive.”

    Oh, Then I’ll play along Huck.

    I am in favor of the policy. I’ve said so in the past. Are fulfilling your agenda now?

  239. Tiger, I notice you didn’t want to answer the direct question.

    Are you or are you not in favor of Obama’s policies regarding the killing of terrorists?

    “You want to make your generalization, fine. You want to scoop me into it, you better bring proof of my membership.”

    Fine. I can go another direction.

    You missed the part about how there are multiple layers of government in this country, many of which are direct democracies.

    And that, my friend, is checkmate.

  240. “I am in favor of the policy. I’ve said so in the past.”

    Sorry for repeating the answered question. I didn’t see that comment.

    “Are fulfilling your agenda now?”

    Yes and so are you. Thanks for playing along. (sincere)

  241. “Whys is you step-daughter discussing his defense with you, and why are you reporting it on a blog? Really. That is extraordinarily unethical. So too was the business you claim was discussed with your so-called “prosecutor friend.””

    Discussing cases without any identifying data is perfectly fine. Doctors do it, lawyers do it and there are no sanctions against it.

    You’re not really a lawyer, are you? Tell us truly, are you a paralegal, or just a wannabe lawyer? How far did you REALLY go in school? You have too many holes in your legal information base and you are abysmal at argumentation, getting your ass whipped by every layman on this board on a regular basis. And you can’t fucking spell, so that idea that you are just an office-type, paper-shuffling lawyer doesn’t hold water either. All of these deficiencies clearly point to a charlatan.

    Just ‘fess up, Dude. You’re among friends here.

  242. Do you know what the word “irreparably” means Sparky? It means it can’t be fixed.

    And you wonder Worf why I have begin to refer to you as Poolman light?

    Let me try to explain something to the WordPress affirmative action blogger.

    If by some miracle we impeached Obama and all of his minions today, and his butt faced chimp for a wife simultaneously combusted (what a beautiful sight), and by midnight we slashed the federal budget by 40%, every man, woman and child living in this country owes $48,900.00 in back taxes plus interest just to pay off the national debt and break even.

    Do you have that kind of dough readily available laying around the apartment, Sparky? Will you be able to chip in additional for the 48,000,000 on food stamps, who clearly won’t be able to pay a dime? How about the 50% that pay no federal tax? Can you lend them a dime or two for their part? Maybe your bill about $300K now, with family?

    No? You don’t have that kind of bread? The Harvard grad?

    I didn’t think so.

    I would call your case “irreparable.”

    ————

    Spin Rutherford, spin. Lie Rutherford, Lie.

    Asked by NBC-TV’s Brian Williams about the information obtained from detainees that led to the bin Laden takedown, Panetta replied: ‘We had multiple series of sources that provided information with regards to this situation. … Clearly some of it came from detainees [and] they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of those detainees.”

    When Williams asked whether “waterboarding” was one of those techniques, Panetta replied: “That’s correct.”

  243. Rutherford, it’s time to talk turkey – about something other than the turkey Obama.

    I read a piece yesterday written at your home away from home, PuffHO. And in this article, the author listed 18 signs our days are numbered, all having to do with really bad behavior in America. Beating the shit out of the elderly, brawling in McDonald’s, mob behavior, theft, and anarchy.

    And it was a pretty interesting article, except one thing the author either failed to mention or notice.

    In 17 out of the 18 crimes listed, there was one common denominator with the perpetrators of this insidious behavior. Would you care to guess what the one similarity was?

    I’ll give you a hint… It rhymes with smack! 😈

  244. Whys is you step-daughter discussing his defense with you, and why are you reporting it on a blog?

    I assume you’re just busting balls here. Seriously is there an ethics problem if the case is discussed without any identifying information?

  245. “Discussing cases without any identifying data is perfectly fine. Doctors do it, lawyers do it and there are no sanctions against it”

    There’s plenty of identifying information dumbfuck.

    “legal information base”

    “abysmal at argumentation”

    Yeah. Tell me more about my writing.

    Nah, just keep pretending you know what you’re talking about. We’re all impressed.

    You’re step-daughter and your easily identified “prosecutor friend” need to shut you the fuck up or pay closer attention to their ethical obligations. What you have relayed is ,most certainly unethical — but more importantly impact there representation. You’re just too arrogant and ignorant to know it.

  246. Let me try to explain something to the WordPress affirmative action blogger.

    Ohhhh you’ve busted me. I applied to WordPress and begged them to let me write a blog on their platform but my writing was so poor that they only let me “in” cos I’m black (or disabled take your pick).

    Oh I forgot …. anybody can write a blog on WordPress … well anybody but those too lazy to put finger to keyboard. (Still waiting for that first post at G’s place. 😉 )

  247. You tell me R. PF isn’t a lawyer. How many 13 and 14 year-old step- daughters of an indicted black man have been raped in the jurisdiction where his PF’s step-daughter has appointments as PD right now?

    Took me two seconds to see who the alleged “prosecutor friend” was that PF was talking about.

    Yes. I’m appalled.

  248. I would call your case “irreparable.”

    Nice move of goalpost. It wasn’t my “case” you were referring to. It was our economic situation. Hyperbole that lost you several debate points.

    As for the Panetta quote …. read my friend, read. When did I ever say you incorrectly quoted Panetta? I said others contradict him. And I say again, believe whom you want to believe.

  249. I think it’s the cost. 😀 Just busting your balls there Rutherford, wanting you to remember I’m still capable when you patronize. 😉

    Now you want to explain to me again about irreparability, or are you ready to fork over $300K to Brother Obama due in full and payable at the end of today?

    Otherwise, I’ll stick by my charges and give you remedial math courses in the process.

    About the blog entry. If I wrote about what I wanted to write about, it wouldn’t be up Gorilla’s alley. And since it’s his blog and his political entries are more than you can handle, I thought I would write about something really deeper. Like the price of admission to college sports.

    How’s that grab you?

  250. In 17 out of the 18 crimes listed, there was one common denominator with the perpetrators of this insidious behavior. Would you care to guess what the one similarity was?

    I’ll give you a hint… It rhymes with smack! 😈

    Ah dammit. I was hoping you’d say it rhymes with fuslim.

  251. I said others contradict him….

    KKKos doesn’t count for much, and with Obama’s one claim to fame resting in the balance and nothing else to show for it but global misery, that’s supposed to surprise me that you waterboys are trying to put out the fire?

    That contradiction reminds me of Obama contradicting the results of his entire failed Presidency and him telling me he saved me from a Depression. Like peeing in your pants in a dark suit. It’s warm and wet, but nobody really notices.

  252. They still haven’t gotten the story straight on the whole bin Laden enchilada, so I don’t know what proof you are citing in your Panetta statement, Tex.

    If you are trying to somehow justify torture an effective means of information gathering, I think I’ll defer to the experts who have claimed it less reliable than other means.

    I guess facts are obstacles easily hurdled in your path of discourse.

  253. You tell me R. PF isn’t a lawyer. How many 13 and 14 year-old step- daughters of an indicted black man have been raped in the jurisdiction where his PF’s step-daughter has appointments as PD right now?

    Took me two seconds to see who the alleged “prosecutor friend” was that PF was talking about.

    Yes. I’m appalled.

    It would be a shame if someone forwardeded this thread to someone who might be in aposition to do something with the info, wouldn’t it?

  254. BiW I swear. I hate dumb-asses like PF. Look at him. Lecturing me about legal ethics thinking it’s “his” lack of detail that controls rather than what is being shared with him. Real comparison between legal ethics and medical rules governing patient disclosure.

    Nope. Cases and careers have never been jeopardized by lawyers violating the attorney-client and work-product privileges. PF said so. 🙄

    Criticizing my typos. Great “argumentation.”

  255. Well Tigre, I’m no lawyer either and you’re clearly better at researching this stuff than I would have been. PF’s rape story looked pretty hard to track down to me … but then you probably have access to password protected legal web sites that I don’t.

    Maybe your critique should be slightly amended to say it’s unethical to discuss these cases when you know there’s another lawyer on the board. 😉

    By the way …. I love that sexomnia defense. I can see Norton now going down to Ralph’s apartment and raping Alice. 😯

  256. “It would be a shame if someone forwardeded this thread to someone who might be in aposition to do something with the info, wouldn’t it?”

    Yes it would.

    I am really angered by this.

  257. R, you don’t get it.

    Assuming what that dumb fucker said was true (which is the real hang-up), it’s not a problem to piece it together at all. These are public records.

    The initial breach of duty came when PF’s family members discussed it with him. The fact that he re-reported it is one of the reasons why it’s so significant.

    PF’s crime is being a total idiot.

  258. “And that said, I’d treat it like I do rattling the CR 11 sword”

    Oh, agreed. I am going to treat it like all of PF’s anecdotes, probably made up or distorted.

    PF, I suggest you change the subject and quit acting like you know what you’re talking about Tough Guy.

  259. If you are trying to somehow justify torture an effective means of information gathering, I think I’ll defer to the experts who have claimed it less reliable than other means. I guess facts are obstacles easily hurdled in your path of discourse.

    Why would you defer to experts Jane when you’re a Troofer, a Dhimmi, and a Jew hater? Experts don’t seem to matter much any time else. But give you a Aryan Brother, an OWS slug, an Imam hatemonger, then you reach climax. Ulululululululululu….

    Oh, I get it. You thought you were back with the harpies, shrews, misandrists, hag, nags, rags, abortion tycoons, and various other quasi-female degenerates like your pal Great Grandma Jean and her Boy Toy at Chatty Kitchen. Pay attention to where you are dammit!

  260. R, I am doubting you have ever needed a lawyer to represent you in court in a civil or criminal case. But if you had, you’d recognize what a violation it is to have your attorney speaking about your case to others as PF reports, or a prosecutor (usually working under the one that is elected) saying what jackasses like PF claim was said.

    Final thought on it.

  261. Tex,

    You’re pretty funny when you gaze into your psychedelic kaleidoscope and pontify. Ignorant – but in a funny sorta way. 😀

  262. Rutherford, sometimes I just have to watch MSNBC to try and understand the enemy – you, Jane, Flake, and Gypsy. Tonight, I watched some of Hardball.

    Chris Matthews tonight was his usual pompous ass self, at the end telling his Republican guest he will need a lot more apologists for Gingrich. The poor man he had on as guest couldn’t hardly get a word out before Matthews was jumping down his throat, and it didn’t help the man continued to mumble with Matthews finishing his sentences. Clearly, libs are scared to death that Newt Gingrich is going to be the candidate contrary to their act.

    And I base that on Matthews closing remarks of his show. His reasoning we can’t let Gingrich be President?

    We can’t let an erratic bomb thrower like Newt Gingrich have his hands on our nuclear arsenal. 😆 😆 😆

    Gawd you people are lame.

  263. Thought I would jump back to some of the previous conversations as I haven’t had time to read all the comments.

    Contrary to some people’s beliefs, government needs both liberals (the poet) and conservatives (the practical man) for balance.

    The practical man develops the resources of the country, the man of vision discerns, formulates and directs its spiritual policy and growth; the mechanic builds the house, but the architect creates it; the artisan makes the tools, but the artist uses them; the observer sees and records the facts, but the scientist discovers the law; the man of affairs manages the practical concerns of the world from day to day, but the poet makes it spiritual, significant, interesting , worth living in.

    Can you imagine a world where the practical man overrides the imagination of the poet? Can you imagine a world where children are deprived of imagination to pursue a course of practicality?

    All walks of life depend on balance but if there is no comprehension between liberals and conservatives there will be no balance in government.

  264. Balance is fine in for writing poems, sharing household duties, and divvying expenses.

    We’ve got a “balanced” government right now. How’s that working out for you?

    Liberals need to be put in the fenced backyard, and treated like beloved pets. Taken care of, fed, and leashed when allowed in the front yard. We clean up after them and pat them on the head while giving them a treat when they behave, roll over, or play dead. It’s our responsibility to keep them vaccinated and watered – not to eat the dinner table.

    Rascal or Fifi don’t need to be head of household.

  265. Sorry for belated replies, I was in Disneyland.

    Tex, sorry to disabuse your stereotype, I never watch MSNBC or any other cable news program. Your broad brush doesn’t touch me.

    As for this: “I’ll make a wager. Give the same amount of money to the private sector to finance infrastructure, and I’ll guarantee you will end up with better infrastructure.”

    You wagering $10K? ‘Cause my liberal-arts-degree-originally-government-funded-now-turned-private-Internet-development-career can back that bet. Can you and yours?

    And no, it wouldn’t end up with a better infrastructure. If you think so, you know nothing about technology and what’s required to develop and maintain this infrastructure. There isn’t a private company that would touch it or make money off it and if they did you’re blog-happy-Internet connection would be ~$400 a month. There wasn’t any profit motive in it until the infrastructure was built and private sector could take advantage of it without having to build it for everyone else. The software/Internet industry was built on the successful investment of the government. Just like the goods distribution/big box store was built on the successful investment of the government-funded interstate system. It’s a private/public partnership that sustains innovation and development in this country. Not a two-dimensional binary argument that drives ratings up and intelligence down.

    Even with my liberal arts degree, I know two-dimensions cannot exist in a three-dimensional world. Didn’t you take geometry?

  266. Raji, this … “Can you imagine a world where the practical man overrides the imagination of the poet?”

    … was most eloquently if simplistically illustrated in Ayn Rand’s “Anthem.”

  267. Holy shit. You lobs are “poets” now?

    Does massive corruption, wasted money in the trillions, felatio performed on Fannies execs, Solyandra and an unholy alliance with too big to fail banks all count as poetry?

  268. Rabbit, if that’s how you define a liberal, then of course not. However, massive corruption, wasted money in the trilions, unholy alliances with banks, and fellatio performed on Fannie/Freddie Mac execs has hardly been the sole actions of liberals or Democrats. That’s government corruption at all levels and by all parties. I’ll give you Solyndra for the Dems, but that’s it. Everything else is share and share alike. And I’ll take a Solyndra failing over a Halliburton-billions-lost failing any day of the week.

    That said, if you stopped arguing liberal v. conservative, left v. right, Fox v. MSNBC, whatever binary world you live in, you’d see it’s all rotten to the core and deserving of solidarity on fighting what’s truly broken.

  269. You wagering $10K? ‘Cause my liberal-arts-degree-originally-government-funded-now-turned-private-Internet-development-career can back that bet. Can you and yours?

    Sure. That’s one quarter of the cost of my youngest daughter’s educational costs for one year at a private college. But what are we betting and how are you going to prove it?

    Personally, you sound like a superficial blowhard. Most project managers are….

    Even with my liberal arts degree, I know two-dimensions cannot exist in a three-dimensional world. Didn’t you take geometry?

    You must have flunked geometry then, and any other math course for that matter. Ever heard of a plane dimwit? 😈 Ever heard of two dimensional vectoring? Don’t worry, most liberals haven’t, because most couldn’t master basic mathematics – like adding up the cost of Obama debt.

    And no, it wouldn’t end up with a better infrastructure. If you think so, you know nothing about technology and what’s required to develop and maintain this infrastructure.

    Sorry, I disagree. Adamantly. You sure you’re not Curator? I had to hammer him once of this very subject and he left whimpering away…

  270. I’ll give you Solyndra for the Dems

    Better throw Lightsquare in there too. And Solazyme. How many more you want? Seen this beauty Gypsy? How about $16.00 jet fuel, that generally cost less than $4.00 a gallon? Is that effective management from that public/private investment you treasure?

    http://news.investors.com/Article/594703/201112131858/navy-biofuel-gate-latest-obama-green-scam.htm

    What were you saying about our illustrious public sector and it’s efficiencies again?

  271. By the way rich and famous Gypsy.

    My comment to Rutherford was not insinuate you watch MSNBC, but that you read and apparently think like the schmucks on MSNBC.

    Rutherford is an rabid, avid MSNBC watcher. Lives for it, breathes it, consumes it. He gets his deepest thoughts and his religious convictions from it. He plans his vacations, his marriage, his child raising around Morning Joe, Mika. He makes love to Chaz Maddow as he drifts off each night. 😀

  272. Tex, I am neither rich (by my standards) nor famous nor would I want to front a $10K bet. I could, but I don’t want to. My point simply being that your broad brush of paint doesn’t swipe me. I don’t read or watch MSNBC or any other cable news outlet. I prefer Foreign Affairs and the Economist as examples.

    I don’t claim every public/private partnership is perfect. I simply point out where private/public partnerships have been good as models for us to support. But if you are only going to be in opposition mode (sacrificing the good for the perfect in the pursuit of your binary ideology) then there can’t be a real conversation. But I’ll keep trying.

    BTW, I do not at all get the Chaz Maddow mashup moniker. Unless that’s just some bizarre way to highlight your hatred of homosexuals and transgenders. Which I don’t at all get why that’s something you would want to highlight.

  273. I do indeed loathe Rachel Butch Maddow – but not because she’s a dyke. 🙂 I disdain Butch Maddow because she’s a rank propagandist, smug and dishonest, highly overrated and arrogant, pure snark, a moral coward, a gutless coward, and a lackey for the most corrupt, inept administration in the history of our country.

    I’m sure there is much I missed in there.

    But I don’t loathe her anymore than I do Keith, or Fat Ed, or Scanner Larry. I’m an equal opportunity disser.

  274. And, to this: “Personally, you sound like a superficial blowhard. Most project managers are…”

    I’m not a project manager. I’m a program manager.

    RE: ” ME: And no, it wouldn’t end up with a better infrastructure. If you think so, you know nothing about technology and what’s required to develop and maintain this infrastructure.
    YOU: Sorry, I disagree. Adamantly. ”

    So disagree and prove it. How would a private industry build package switching the way ARPA did and make a profit that would have satisfied investors and/or shareholders? I know how the government did it so that private sector could build upon it, but there was no profit in developing package switching initially or else it would have been done. The technology existed, the will and motive to develop into the infrastructure didn’t. The current Internet industry could not have been built if package switching had been done in a for-profit model. Or rather, we’d still be 10 years out from having what we have today at much higher individual consumer prices.

  275. Interesting question for the class. I had this discussion with a couple of coffee buddies the other night.

    What do we consider rich anymore? Remember when millionaire was rare?

    For instance, would you guys and gals consider somebody with a household worth a million dollars rich these days?

  276. “I do indeed loathe Rachel Butch Maddow …”

    So how is she any different from the Becks and Hannitys and Matthews of the world? And so why include a anti-homosexual epithet in reference to her? And what does Chaz Bono have to do with it?

  277. Tex, there is indeed a difference between being worth a million dollars and earning a million dollars a year. Worth a million? No, not rich. Earning a million more a year, yes rich. Then falls out the question differently.

  278. Let’s not jump ahead program manager. First, the $10,000.00 bet that you threw in my face. Aren’t you going to respond to my mathematical correction of you? Let’s not dance away from the subject at hand.

    First things first. We can get to Cisco and the current big boys in a minute.

    Here’s a question for you to contemplate in return. How did we get around before the interstate highway system constructed? And who supports the interstate now?

  279. Chaz Bono? 😆 No, that was not the insinuation either. It’s an easy way to dismiss a loathsome woman. Would you prefer I call her Ugly Rachel? Would that make it more palatable?

    Consider it payback for the treatment of Conservative women from the left, the pejorative “teabaggers”, and a host of other insults passed from the left that draw big yuck yucks on your back patio.

  280. I didn’t throw a $10K bet in your face. I asked if you were throwing it in mine. And if you were, I could back it (but didn’t take you up on it, ’cause that would have been stupid).

    What mathematical correction? Planes don’t physically exist in a three-dimensional universe. They exist as a concept. Right v. left arguments of the type you promote don’t exist in reality and I don’t engage in concept.

    Cisco and Co. didn’t develop package switching. They capitalized on it. They continue to innovate on it (go them!), but they didn’t build it initially in a for-profit model.

    The interstate highway system continues to be supported by the government and taxpayers and by extension the businesses who depend upon it. How did we get around it before? Street roads and railways and shipping. Your point?

  281. Another question for you Gypsy. How much did the federal government allocate in the way of infrastructure and support to Henry Ford, Andrew Carnegie, Thomas Edison, George Westinghouse, or John Rockefeller?

  282. “Consider it payback for the treatment of Conservative women from the left, the pejorative “teabaggers” … ”

    That one’s all on tea baggers. All they had to do was Google the term before hanging tea bags from their tri corners. The term existed long before the Tea Partiers made asses out of themselves by exposing themselves to the mockery.

    And I still don’t get why you bring Chaz Bono into it.

  283. “Another question for you Gypsy. How much did the federal government allocate in the way of infrastructure and support to Henry Ford, Andrew Carnegie, Thomas Edison, George Westinghouse, or John Rockefeller?”

    Don’t know, what’s your point? I’ve never said private sector innovation was bad or useless. I’ve only pointed out where public/private partnership was useful.

  284. What mathematical correction? Planes don’t physically exist in a three-dimensional universe.

    Easily resolved. Ever heard the terms longitude and latitude?

    The interstate highway system continues to be supported by the government and taxpayers and by extension the businesses who depend upon it.

    Then why do many states charge tolls for their access. Trust me. I’m getting to the point.

  285. “Ever heard the terms longitude and latitude?”

    Often. Mappings that mean nothing until applied to the three dimensional universe.

    “Then why do many states charge tolls for their access. ”

    That is by definition supported by government and taxpayers. Again, your point?

  286. Don’t know, what’s your point? I’ve never said private sector innovation was bad or useless. I’ve only pointed out where public/private partnership was useful.

    No, what you said was that public/private sector innovation was superior in the allocation of resources. Did I misunderstand you?

  287. Gypsy, do you have any relation to Jane Fonda aka Poolman, that we all dearly ‘love’ here?

    For the second time, Chaz Maddow is not derived from Chaz Bono. It’s a name I made up for that wretched thing to insult it. And I hate to tell you this, but I would make a fair guess before the term Teabaggers became common vernacular, nobody straight even knew what it meant. Why would hanging teabags off your hat be synonymous to dipping your balls in another’s mouth?

    What’s funny, is you Teabaggees still don’t understand the joke is actually on you. You’re the one being dipped…

  288. You most certainly misunderstood me, again I believe because you live in an either/or world. What I was saying that was where it made sense (ARPA and the interstate highway system as signature examples) public/private partnerships made more sense as evidenced by their success. Vs. private sector innovation where it makes sense. Henry Ford is a fantastic example. How is this hard to understand and agree upon?

  289. Got to walk my Mickey. I’ll be back later if you wish to carry on further. You got back from Disneyland; my oldest is now leaving for DisneyWorld with her boy and another couple after finishing a semester of med school.

    I much prefer DisneyWorld. I thought Disneyland sucked “teabags”. It’s a Small World still rings in my ears.

  290. “I would make a fair guess before the term Teabaggers became common vernacular, nobody straight even knew what it meant. Why would hanging teabags off your hat be synonymous to dipping your balls in another’s mouth?”

    I don’t care if nobody straight knew what it meant, it was still searchable on Google if you only searched “Tea Bags”. This is the Internet age, get with it.

  291. Why would Henry Ford be an example supporting your argument? Quite the contrary, those I listed were all privately financed by venture capital and shareholders.

    Now the gov’t may have eventually invested in R&D of sort for WWII. But the fortunes made above were all outside the bounds of public financing…and privately held.

    Understand, I’m not saying government doesn’t have a role to play. But I find your claims of public/private investment being superior ludicrous. For every example you can make, bet I can find ten examples that were nothing but public boondoggles. I listed two of them above for you and you ignored them.

  292. I don’t care if nobody straight knew what it meant, it was still searchable on Google if you only searched “Tea Bags”. This is the Internet age, get with it.

    WTF? You sure you’re not related to Poolman?

    But they don’t call themselves the Tea Bag Party. They call themselves the Tea Party. Are they supposed to go to Google and search for every slang word that might be affiliated that some queer used in the bathhouse to be safe?

    What I always thought ironic is you gay types are the ones always demanding tolerance and ultimately acceptance. Then for reasons unknown other than to be vulgar which is status quo for Sodom, you drag out your filth describing your own perversion to slander others. Doesn’t make a damn bit of sense. That’s kind of like a light in the loafers gay boy calling his opponent cocksucker as insult.

    You probably don’t find the irony in that either.

  293. “What I always thought ironic is you gay types are the ones always demanding tolerance and ultimately acceptance. Then for reasons unknown other than to be vulgar which is status quo for Sodom, you drag out your filth describing your own perversion to slander others.”

    Yes, I do love Dan Savage. Our home town boy.

    “But I find your claims of public/private investment being superior ludicrous.”

    But I never said it was superior. I said it had its place.

    “I much prefer DisneyWorld. I thought Disneyland sucked “teabags”. It’s a Small World still rings in my ears.”

    Either one is fine with me. You enrich my coffers every time you visit either. Or do anything having to do with the Mouse. Been nine times this year to one, just trying out the other.

  294. Well then Gypsy, my eldest daughter and probably sometime soon son-in-law will be enriching your coffers this weekend, much to my chagrin.

    I take that back. You’re more evasive than Poolman. But as clever.

    Often. Mappings that mean nothing until applied to the three dimensional universe.

    Math really isn’t your thing, is it? You told me a two-dimensional object can not exist in a three dimensional universe. I quote, “Even with my liberal arts degree, I know two-dimensions cannot exist in a three-dimensional world. Didn’t you take geometry?” And as I have demonstrated both figuratively and literally, they do. Be glad you didn’t bet. Not only did I use a basic geometry concept to prove you wrong, but have clearly given you two dimensional aspect that has nothing to do with three dimensions longitude/latitude. That equals two for liberal arts majors.

    “Then why do many states charge tolls for their access. ” That is by definition supported by government and taxpayers. Again, your point?

    No, tolls paid are not government. But at least in this case, it’s a form of government I can support – pay as you go. And the reason they charge the tolls is to support the infrastructure of the interstate. Left to federal government allocation, many interstates would have crumbled years ago and some currently are.

    My point was not to state definitively that government doesn’t have a role in R&D or coordination, national defense being the best example, but that on a level playing field, government will never be as efficient or as effective as private enterprise. Paul Allen will do what NASA now not currently capable for a fraction of the cost.

  295. I had forgotten who Dan Savage was.

    The Bill Maher of Fag activism, trying to pass the flu Gary Bauer by licking door knobs. Probably too much of a pussy to simply cough on Gary, who is all of 5’3″ tall. What a wonderfully, sensitive person. Where’s the incurable MRSA when you need it? Soon Dan, soon.

    Tonight Chris Matthews had the homo military guy that was whining about being booed at his DADT question at the Republican debate, clearly meant to agitate and offend, and he mentioned “his husband.” I laughed out loud. Does that make him the wife? 😈

    The concept of gay marriage is such an utter sham, that I can’t help but laugh at how these people have to twist reality and language to make it fit their perversion. Dig in to that stink star….

    I can see where Dan Savage (great name) would be intimately familiar with Tea Bagging. Even has the look.

  296. Dag, it’s 12:30am and I’ve got to get to bed. But I see I have a great exchange between Tex and Kat waiting for me tomorrow morning!

    P.S. Tex I just finished watching the Hardball ep you criticized. The only mistake Chris made and it was a whopper was when he said he would ask David Axelrod why a protracted GOP primary race would be bad when he thought the protracted DEM primary race was good four years ago … and then he never even touched the topic. He did discuss it with Joe Klein but he said he would ask Axelrod and he never did.

    As for his interview with the Gingrich apologist, I loved it. He caught the guy in multiple contradictions. The guy must have profited from Newt in some way or another. 😉

  297. The only mistake Chris made….

    Was when he was naive to think his talent would lead to ratings that could compete with FOX.

    The entire show was a joke. I’m just wondering why ex Repubs continue to go on that cretin’s show. Chris Matthews would be off the air by now if they would, the tingle in his head when they threw him off the cliff.

  298. Oh one more thing …. Tigre, I am not as thick as you think. I understand the attorney-client privilege is sacrosanct. I just honestly didn’t think PF revealed enough to violate it …. could have described a few different cases currently under prosecution. (Couldn’t it?)

    Finally, are you really telling me that attorney’s don’t come home to their wives and say “good googly moogly I’m defending this rapist and bla bla bla”? So I don’t think PF’s step-daughter did anything unusual by sharing the story with him. Now, sharing the story on a public blog … yeah I see how that burns you up, even though I didn’t see it as easily identifiable. But I fully admit to naivete on legal matters.

    Ok, ’nuff said. I just didn’t want you to think I was totally clueless about attorney-client privilege. (LOL the topic came up in the episode of Breaking Bad that I watched tonight.)

  299. Like you’re any judge of such things …. a man who hangs on every word of Ann Coulter. Bwahahahahahahahaha!!!! 😆

    You’re such a little imp (with a fro – damnedest thing I’ve ever seen). Not even worthy of a pitchfork – just the forked tongue.

    You’ll be glad to know Ann and I are in major disagreement as you type. She say Mitt Romney is the most Conservative candidate? What? She’s lost her mind!!! 😡

    Believe it or not, there are other pundits I actually like much better. But I do find her incredibly funny and gifted. Soft pinkos like you and “Kat” would give your right “nut” to find a left version of her.

  300. I looked at Kat’s blog and finally figured out what her “beef” is with little, old Tex. Flake light, only more boring. 😈 I’ll try not to use the ‘C’ word this time. I have a question. Why do you sad sacks provide so much personal info? Is it voyeurism?

    When I was up in Seattle, I noted a couple of things. Really beautiful city, perhaps even prettier than San Fran, with the same ugly, liberal women ruining the view downtown. Like San Fran, the women must wash with pumice rock. And they smell like men.

    Did I ever tell you the time when I was sitting at the downtown bar in Seattle, and perhaps the world’s ugliest woman tried to take me home? She was so ugly, I had to do a double take, because I thought it was a dude at first. I finally looked at her hands and realized she didn’t have a swinging set at the corner of leg and leg.

    Kat is right up your alley “R”. Hard left, Palin Derangement, Obama lackey genuflecting and peeing in her thong over the falling sea level, Faux News….the entire gamut of prog vocabulary, slang and irrational thought. You’re going to love her if you can get her to stick. She’s like a female Rutherford – that’s actually a scary thought.

    Lucifer must produce you guys and gals out of the same bent mold and attach some nasty, little titties to every other cookie. Everyone of you sound the same on a blog. 😆

  301. In social sciences, a “nation” is not always defined by borders. It can be made up of a shared language, culture, religion, history and/or ethnicity.” – Huck

    And I think Newt’s point was that the “Palestinians” were not unique in any of those areas. Maybe they are now, but they certainly were not in 1948. In fact, I would argue that it wasn’t until after 1967 that a unique identity began to form for the JORDANIAN Arabs forced out of the area.

  302. R, he did. Again, not hard to find if true and someone were inclined. He gave the State, ages, race, alleged crime, familial relationship, the fact that it was assigned to a PD. . . Doubt it all you want. If it were reported or electronically docketed like our cases here, Google would get you there.These are public records. These are not medical records. And if it were difficult, PF wouldn’t know it andhad no clue. In fact he thumbs his nose when told to be careful about what he was doing.

    In fact, the douche bag who said he didn’t reveal anything even provided the link when it came to the case of his “prosecutor friend” to try and bolster his credibility in response to an argument that wasn’t made.The one PF claims to testify for on a regular basis? If what PF said made its way to the DA under who she works, and what PF said actually occurred, believe what you want. Heads would roll.

    His daughter mocking people she represents to her dimwit step-father who them puts on a blog so he can retell the inside scoop? Nope that’s wrong. What PF said about it not being actionable? Wrong.

    As for conversations with my wife, I can’t say that I have discussed something like what PF did, actually put it in writing (from a PD) nonetheless, then was unaffected by some idiot like PF who went on a blog and explained to other lawyers that it was his right to repeat that crap.

    R, especially in the realm of public lawyers, you don’t say that shit. That info is easy to get. PF’s step-daughter violated her clients confidences, PF violated his step-daughter’s. While PF pretends he’s “legal knowledge base” for his personal relationships, there’s no comparison the anonymous medical records or cases whatsoever. If she were shown this thread she would likely be sick to her stomach. I don’t care what you say. It’s wrong. The fact that PF is comfortable and cavalier jeopardizing the professional standing of his so-called “friends” and family members can not be justified.

    Simply put I have never put myself in the situation and loathe those in profession that would.

  303. Oh, R, and incidentally, when you say,”I just honestly didn’t think PF revealed enough to violate it …. could have described a few different cases currently under prosecution. (Couldn’t it?)” demonstrate the ignorance (lack of experience) I was aiming for.

    It’s not a matter of being thick. It’s that you might not realize what might be revealed later or the direction of a case that could create real trouble.

    Primo example here.

    According to PF, Client (and his family) claim their race is an issue and are going to the NAACP to do something about it. Perhaps something goes terribly wrong in this guys defense and the step-daughter who mocks her own clients in emails supposedly cut and paste into a blog by a medical doctor originally from WV (and whose location is identified on your sidebar, that is involved in the porn industry, and claims to testify regularly for an easily identified prosecutor from another state.

    Perhaps the guy accused of raping his 14 and 15 year-old step children gets hammered while being represented by our PD and brings a claim for ineffective assistance of counsel and racial bias against the PD representing him with an unsuccessful defense in which routine discovery would include any communications made by the PD about the case (with all privileges waived).

    Now look up not only at the email pasted into this blog and at the racial comments comments made by PF. Relevant to the allegations? You betcha. PF’s step-daughter now placed in the position of having to lie about the communication with her step-father or reveal and undermine the integrity of her office and herself.

    Imagine if something were reported about this case in the press.

    Unlikely? Incredibly. Possible? Yes. So are thousands of other combinations of things that could happen and create problems, including someone that happens to be a member of the bar being attacked by a loud mouth know-it-all trying to be cool on a blog. BiW recognized that when he made his comment to me because he doesn’t know enough about how I might react, but does know I have the resources to determine what you find difficult to believe I can.

    Sorry. PF’s stupidity fired me up. I know; he doesn’t.

    I’m done.

  304. Haven’t checked in for a while.

    The problem with you, Tigger, is that you are too EASY. No, I take that back. It’s not a problem with you. It’s a problem FOR you. For me, and others, it’s a source of a good chuckle.

    Lighten up, paralegal. Nobody takes you seriously except for you, yourself.

  305. They are closing on on the Higgs boson, known in the lamestream press (HT to Sarah Palin) as the “God particle.”

    There is a debate among scientists as to what it should be called.

    I recommend, “Higgs boson.”

  306. Tex –

    You and I should get into a real discussion of spirituality sometime, and I don’t mean on opposite sides of the argument. This search for the Higgs particle has set me to thinking again about what is the ultimate fabric of the universe and my most persistent quandary: why do I look out from behind the eyes that belong to this body and not someone else? There is only one reality and that is the one I see, but there must be others. How does that work? I can accept the concept of some overriding “cosmic” consciousness if there is some evidence for its existence.

  307. Rabbit,
    “Poet” was a metaphor for the liberal arts degree for which those with science degrees (practical man) show disdain.

    “We’ve got a “balanced” government right now.”
    No Tex, we have an unbalanced government because there is no comprehension between the members of Congress. Instead of doing their job and being productive they engage in commentaries such as the exchange between you and Kat. Fun to read but not very productive.

  308. We’re officially finishing up in Iraq this morning. I thought I would celebrate by regaling you all with Ike’s take on the noble adventure of the ages – war.

    “I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity.

    Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron.”

    Dwight David Eisenhower, Supreme Allied Commander, World War II

  309. “Nobody takes you seriously except for you, yourself.”

    ‘Ironic coming from you.’

    Perhaps, but there is a fundamental difference. I am secure enough that in my heart-of-hearts I don’t in the least care what others think.

    You do. That’s what makes you vulnerable.

    A word to the wise is sufficient.

  310. “I am secure enough that in my heart-of-hearts I don’t in the least care what others think.”

    Oh, that’s quite obvious. Others would be too embarrassed to make such a fool of themselves.

    I look forward to more self-aggrandizing tall tales about your fascinating life, Paul Bunyan. — keeping in mind of course that you care not what others think. 😉

  311. I would be happy to Pfesser and anybody else here who is opposed to my viewpoints.

    Out of curiosity, I reviewed Higgs Boson from my notes in physics, which consisted of one part of one 50 minute lecture in my final physics class, making me an ‘expert’ of infinite worth in the discussion, and I decided I’m not exactly sure now what exactly it is we are trying to determine besides a mental exercise we can’t begin to comprehend.

    I thought about you the other night as I was watching one of those predictably drab and repetitious things on National Geographic about the Big Bang.

    And I thought about the physical construct, as much as my limited mind would allow, the representation of that first picosecond of the Big Bang, and the infinite power that it would take to produce the mass and scope of this universe and the space and time it exists in, from what physicists hypothesize a sub-subatomic particle for lack of a better definition. And it occurred to me how little we really know and understand about our universe. For instance, we can specifically measure gravity, but we really don’t understand the force of gravity.

    And then I pondered, why is it highly educated people, people whose professions of law and medicine I respect for their intellectual acumen, can come to such a different conclusion of what seems so patently obvious to me?

    And I had no answers of the natural type…

  312. It will be interesting to watch and see what now becomes of Iraq. What do the majority of people of Iraq really think now of the U.S.? That question will be truthfully answered in the next couple of years without the veil of biased media and conjecture.

    Did the sacrifices of our soldiers amount to anything more than deposing of a brutal dictator? Or did America through its sacrifice open up a whole to a new paradigm of Islamic thought?

    I still believe in the ideal goodness of America. Contrary to the critics, I am proud to live in a country and share a country with a minority of people willing to voluntarily jeopardize their own life for the chance at redemption and hope of a people that can offer them little or nothing but a thank you.

  313. Tex –

    I often think of Maxwell and Hertz. I believe it was Hertz (or was it Marconi) whose family thought the idea of “invisible waves” so far-fetched that they sought to have him institutionalized. As Clarke’s Second Law says, sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. It it not possible that we have discovered all the energy types there are, and they seem as unthinkable as radio waves did then.

    Our understanding of the Higgs boson and other subatomic particles I believe is just scratching the surface of the Great Unknown. What form will that take when we finally understand more of it?

  314. It is my understanding that Christmas cards sent to this address will get through. I am sending mine out today.

    A Recovering American Soldier,
    c/o Walter Reed National Military Medical Center,
    8901 Rockville Pike
    Bethesda, MD 20889-5600

    “I think Newt’s point was that the “Palestinians” were not unique in any of those areas.”

    How are “Americans” unique in any of those areas? The only difference is in a history we created for ourselves after being recognized as “American.” Other than that we share language, culture, religion, etc. with other places in Europe. By Newt’s word, we should not have come to the New World, but instead just gone to other places in Europe.

    “In fact, I would argue that it wasn’t until after 1967 that a unique identity began to form for the JORDANIAN Arabs forced out of the area.”

    And I would argue that it had been going on as early as the British Mandate of Palestine and the rebellion of al Qassam.

  315. I see our First Wookie can’t wait for her little community activist to shuttle off to the 17 day taxpayer paid Hawaiian excursion. I’m surprised she didn’t demand the space shuttle. What’s another couple of mill tacked on to the $4,200,000,000.00 a day of debt, hey Marie?

    And Rutherford really wonders why I absolutely loathe this “woman”? 😡

  316. Raji, once again at 363 you so eloquently express the truth of things. Start blogging my friend, I feel your words don’t get adequate exposure buried in the comments section of the RL Blog. 🙂

  317. We’ve got a “balanced” government right now.”
    No Tex, we have an unbalanced government because there is no comprehension between the members of Congress. Instead of doing their job and being productive they engage in commentaries such as the exchange between you and Kat. Fun to read but not very productive.

    Congress wasn’t designed to be “productive”, and there were very good reasons for it.

  318. They don’t get it BIC and they won’t comprehend your comment either. But you are absolutely right.

    I believe there is a parallel between that Raji’s observations and Obama’s negative liberties.

  319. “Congress wasn’t designed to be “productive”, and there were very good reasons for it.”

    BIW, I agree with your statement. The framers produced dysfunction by design and did not want an efficient government. They wanted government small because they knew government could be dangerous. However the world has changed and government is now too big. If we intend to rein government back in then we need some “productive” members of Congress not just party lines or special interest groups to take charge.

    I don’t have the answers but I know constant squabbling between liberals and conservatives is not “producing” answers. Maybe if we can eliminate the permanent campaign we could “produce” some results.

  320. Tell you what is beginning to concern me about this next Presidential election. Just when I think Conservatives and moderately right Republicans, Independents or Libertarians are waking up to this fact, it turns around to bite me in the ass once again.

    The Republican Establishment is once again carrying far more weight in the selection process of this election than they should. Ann Coulter is wrong on this one – dead wrong. I thought we had learned that hard fact in 2008 the dangers of playing it safe, or pooling, or letting our own set of hacks pick the candidate. When Washington pundits end up picking the candidate, they invariably choose wrong. They want you to believe in 1980, they were completely on board with Ronald Reagan – that simply isn’t true. In 1979, Reagan was an outsider; somebody that couldn’t even win the Republican candidacy in 1976.

    It’s not enough to defeat Obama.

    Assuming that happens, that will be a short-lived thrill, but won’t it stop the bleeding without the right candidate of choice. This time, it’s not enough to simply win. With need somebody with a brass set to make radical changes to entitlements, vision to change our tax structure, and a willingness to take on the Republican Establishment. They are a large part of this country’s problem.

  321. “I feel your words don’t get adequate exposure buried in the comments section of the RL Blog.”

    Thank you Rutherford and who knows where and when my words will be resurrected. On the other hand when dementia sets in only the RL blog will know 😉

  322. BIW, I agree with your statement. The framers produced dysfunction by design and did not want an efficient government. They wanted government small because they knew government could be dangerous. However the world has changed and government is now too big. If we intend to rein government back in then we need some “productive” members of Congress not just party lines or special interest groups to take charge.

    Government isn’t too big because we followed the plan. Government is too big because we specifically deviated from it with the passage of the 17th Amendmendment, which removed the states from the decision making process and allowed the expansion of the federal government and the encroachment by it on to areas of state and individual sovereignty.

  323. Raji, I appreciate your input, but you’re still not getting BIC’s point, nor mine.

    The framers produced dysfunction by design and did not want an efficient government.

    It’s not dysfunction – it is restriction. Our founders most certainly did want an efficient government, and obviously determined the most efficient government is a restricted government. Our founders knew the dangers all too well of an overreaching and consuming government, knowing efficiency is not by a government, but brought forth by a nation of citizens. Huge difference.

    I don’t have the answers but I know constant squabbling between liberals and conservatives is not “producing” answers.

    The squabbling is not the problem. With two diametrically opposed viewpoints, squabbling is the natural result. The problem isn’t that we squabble, but that we continue to choose the wrong path. Staddling the fence is exactly what got us to our current situation.

    These viewpoints by the strictest definition are mutually exclusive.

  324. With need somebody with a brass set to make radical changes to entitlements, vision to change our tax structure, and a willingness to take on the Republican Establishment.

    Every now and then you come up with clear and concise statements. Okay, I know you meant “We need…” But realizing the GOP is a big part of the problem in addition to the Democrats goes a long way in coming to a consensus, one we desperately need in this country to get out of this cycle and begin to heal and rebuild.

    The only one with a “brass set” is Ron Paul. That is, if any politician could be in possession of a set at all. I suspect plenty have been effectively castrated. And like Paul states in Galatians 5:12, I wish they’d go the full route and emasculate themselves. 🙂

  325. “I wonder what the malpractice policy limits are for a public defender?

    Somehow, I doubt that they are high enough to settle a civil-rights tinged ineffective assistance of counsel case.”

    Stay out of the courtroom and you won’t have to find out.

  326. Stay out of the courtroom and you won’t have to find out.

    1. Too late. I’ve already been practicing for 11 years. And my clients are pretty happy with their representation.

    2. If I wasn’t employable in the private sector, then I might have to be a public defender, but even if I suffered that kind of misfortune, I’d still have enough sense not to disclose the kind of information she did to someone willing to make it public so they could pretend to know what they were talking about.

  327. “Curious, why are the “Palestinians” not called “Jordanians”?”

    Because they are not Jordanian? Am I missing something deeper in your question?

    Jordan treats its Palestinian population like 2nd class citizens (just like Israel does). They are still fairly marginalized in the socio-economic and political system of the country (even though its present queen is part Palestinian). Jordan doesn’t want to call “Palestinians” as “Jordanian,” and I don’t believe that many Palestinians are in favor of that label, either.

    Identity is not about what other people call you, it’s about what you call yourself. So you aren’t even beginning to scratch the surface until you start approaching the question like this:

    “Why don’t ‘Palestinians’ call themselves ‘Jordanian’?”

    And the answer to that is, “Because they see themselves as Palestinian and not Jordanian.”

  328. If this Iranian story about hijacking the drone is true, and apparently it might be through GPS manipulation, I’m a little disappointed in our “great technology.” Actually, I’m disappointed with nitwits who are so arrogant in design, they foolishly thought these 3rd world countries don’t have enough brains for self-preservation.

    Surely some American engineer had to give consideration to exploitation of the navigational software. Sometimes I fear complacency is the biggest threat to our national defense.

    ————

    And just to show you what a wicked bastard I am, or possibly I’ve watched too many James Bond movies – if you would elect me President or Sec. of Defense, here is what I propose. I would add to our drones – a self-destruction switch without about 500lbs of plastic explosives lining the inside of the composite material. Sure it might interfere with range, but I’ve got a little surprise waiting for our enemies when it arrives.

    I picture some Seal about a hundred miles away being notified that Hussein Mohammed Jr. has just captured one of our drones and has pushed it into the hanger to reengineer its secrets. Through the advent of satellite technology giving the capturing opponent just enough time to pull it into the hanger, grab a wrench and take a sneak peek, I provide Mr. Seal with a little red button to push. Consider it a newer, sleeker version of the IED, courtesy of Tex Taylor.

    Allahu Akbar Junior….

    Consider it a suicide bomb intended for the suicide bombers.

    They ought to put me on the design team. 😉

  329. Aw, Tex, you read my (extremely outdated and neglected) blog. That’s so sweet. And you totally missed my defense of Sarah Palin’s wardrobe during the 2008 election cycle. I was simply appalled that I–ME of all people!–was unable to put together a six figure shopping cart at Bergdorf Goodman’s. I was humbled by her ability to do that.

    And go back further and you’ll find my very prescient entry comparing Obama and Bush. But overall, I did intro myself here as a liberal so don’t know why you’re surprised that there are–gasp!–liberal positions in what I write (when I write). As for the use of Faux News, that was so two years ago. It does read positively dated today when the entirety of the so called main stream media is fake and strictly shock ratings driven. Fox is just one in the crowd and all pretense is dropped.

    And you insult the trannies of Seattle. They’re gorgeous.

  330. Blowing up that drone captured by Iran would have been one of the stupidest decisions imaginable.

    Military stuff that explodes are called “bombs.”

    Raise your hand if you think its a good idea to start “bombing” Iran with stuff that says “Made in America.”

    Anyone who thinks fucking around with Iran is a good idea, just remember the waves of boys it sent into Saddam’s chemical clouds. Iran doesn’t play. And the best way to turn those weekly “Death to America” rhetoric rallies into the real deal is to start “bombing” Iran and have their people rally around the flagpole.

  331. “Too late. I’ve already been practicing for 11 years. And my clients are pretty happy with their representation.”

    Well, that’s pretty much like it is for everybody else here, isn’t it? We have to take you at your word – or not – since that’s all we have.

    “If I wasn’t employable in the private sector,”

    That might be one reason someone straight out of law school would go into public defense. There are others – including, but not limited to: a desire for courtroom experience, a need to pay off one’s loans (many schools have loan forgiveness if the young lawyer works in the public interest for a given amount of time, &c, &c.), a desire to live in a certain geographical area, &c. The high-cost “private” lawyer and the “best” lawyer are sometimes one and the same, but often not, aren’t they? Just like doctors.

    (By the way, the subjunctive mood uses “weren’t” – as in, “If I weren’t employable.” Didn’t you say you were a paper-shuffler? Who writes your briefs for you?)

    “then I might have to be a public defender,”

    Yes, YOU might.

    “I’d still have enough sense not to disclose the kind of information she did to someone willing to make it public so they could pretend to know what they were talking about.”

    Nonsense. No identifying information – no foul. Any story could belong to any ONE – or no one. I actually have another interesting one I’ll regale everyone with when I get time. (Yes I know about the preposition.)

    Cordially,

  332. Military stuff that explodes are called “bombs.”

    Correct.

    Raise your hand if you think its a good idea to start “bombing” Iran with stuff that says “Made in America.”

    When they confiscate what is not their own? Hand raised.

    Anyone who thinks fucking around with Iran is a good idea, just remember the waves of boys it sent into Saddam’s chemical clouds. Iran doesn’t play.

    Good. They can run into the ocean in waves, consumed by waves. It will make the job all that much easier when we open a big can of whoop ass, as you hide behind some skirt. And when we were better, before your useless and idiotic PC ilk started craving a murderous thugs approval – because truth be known, you’re a coward – we could play hardball too. Ask the Japanese.

    And the best way to turn those weekly “Death to America” rhetoric rallies into the real deal is to start “bombing” Iran and have their people rally around the flagpole.

    So how long have you been submitted to Allah, La Huck? You may be the dumbest, biggest rube on this entire board. In fact, the more you write and the more you whine, the more worthless I find you opinions. You sir, are a complete imbecile of the worst sort. But you’re going to be a perfect fit at Ward Churchill U.

  333. Kat,

    And you insult the trannies of Seattle. They’re gorgeous.

    Do I sense our short love affair has ended?

    I wanted to ask you for a date, but I was afraid if I made it to third base, I might find out you had a bigger unit than I did, so I was too afraid to ask.

  334. Hey Kat?

    One very simple question.

    You know that video I plastered here the other night, that had the girl with the beautiful cleavage and the guy took a peek, only to be chastised for bad behavior?

    🙂

    Well, if you didn’t want me to take a peek, why did you dress that way by including your blog address in your entries? Didn’t you want me to look at your titties blog?

  335. So let me get this straight. While you concede conservatives are the practical ones, you imply they are almost devoid of morality.

    Now, the poets, they hold some higher ground by checking this cold expediency of conservatives. They are the moral compass in an other wise bleak world.

    Since morality is probably the only thing that differentiates us from animals, shall I assume you “poets”provide the higher order thinking and humanity to our political landscape? Barf!

  336. Well, that’s pretty much like it is for everybody else here, isn’t it? We have to take you at your word – or not – since that’s all we have.

    Much like I have never doubted that your profession is what you have represented. Still, despite your now apparent inability to give me the same courtesy, the fact is that I am a conservative attorney in the deep blue wilderness of Western Washingtonistan. I blog under an alias to keep the peaceful protestors like the ones who showed up at the WTO in Seattle, and who have been committing violence at the ports in the southern part of the state from showing up on my lawn and scaring my wife and children. You don’t have to like it, and I don’t have to ask your permission.

    “If I wasn’t employable in the private sector,”

    That might be one reason someone straight out of law school would go into public defense. There are others – including, but not limited to: a desire for courtroom experience, a need to pay off one’s loans (many schools have loan forgiveness if the young lawyer works in the public interest for a given amount of time, &c, &c.), a desire to live in a certain geographical area, &c. The high-cost “private” lawyer and the “best” lawyer are sometimes one and the same, but often not, aren’t they? Just like doctors.

    There are many other ways to get courtroom experience other than becoming a PD, and the loan forgiveness generally isn’t extensive enough to make up for the shitty hours, and crappy pay. As for high cost, you have me confused with someone who has to keep senior partners in new Mercedes and country club memberships, or has to pay the outrageous rents for a Seattle office. Being a “country lawyer” means that I offer my clients the same services at a much lower price, and I get to go home at five most nights, which is important to me and my family.

    Didn’t you say you were a paper-shuffler? Who writes your briefs for you?

    No, I said that I do estate planning, probate, some real estate, tax, and a lot of corporate work. It isn’t “paper-shuffing”, as I write wills, trusts, contracts, leases, and and handle all the litigation for these clients that comes up in these practice areas, which means that YES, I do go to court, and quite a lot as a matter of fact, and I write all my own motions, orders, and memoranda, and have one occaision been complimented by judges for making very difficult and complex information very easy to understand in relation to the issues before the court, and the last three cases that have actually gone to trial garnered similar compliments from the bench for presentation and style, so your pedantic nature doesn’t really budge my give-a-damn meter at all.

    Nonsense. No identifying information – no foul. Any story could belong to any ONE – or no one. I actually have another interesting one I’ll regale everyone with when I get time. (Yes I know about the preposition.)

    Tigre has already explained it to you. You can protest all you like, but it changes nothing. However, you might google “model rules of professional conduct” for attorneys to get a sense why what you continue to insist simply isn’t so.

  337. So let me get this straight. While you concede conservatives are the practical ones, you imply they are almost devoid of morality.

    Now, the poets, they hold some higher ground by checking this cold expediency of conservatives. They are the moral compass in an other wise bleak world.

    DR, I guess the question rests on the definition of morality being used.

  338. you’d see it’s all rotten to the core and deserving of solidarity on fighting what’s truly broken. — GypsyKat

    Rabbit’s not interested in solidarity with liberals who might actually share his concerns. He’s afraid it would compromise his manhood. 😉

  339. I had to hammer him once of this very subject and he left whimpering away…

    Oh God the macho posturing again. I’m gonna have to keep a barf bucket at my side from now on when perusing the comments.

    Tex, we live in a three dimensional world. The “plane” which theoretically has zero depth, does not exist in the real world. Nothing is really flat without some depth even if that depth is very very small. Kat shouldn’t have asked you if you’ve taken geometry. She should have asked you are you in touch with reality. 😉

  340. For instance, would you guys and gals consider somebody with a household worth a million dollars rich these days?

    In a word, no. It’s possible, even in this god-awful real estate market to have a house worth 1 mil. And folks with million dollar homes still shop at K-Mart. Homes in my old neighborhood when times were good went for three quarters of a million.

    It’s hard to put a number on rich. I’d prefer the definition focus on income rather than assets held. Someone who earns 1 mil a year is rich. Yes I’d say that is true.

  341. Ever heard the terms longitude and latitude?

    At the risk of repeating Kat again … Tex, you shouldn’t persist in this. You’re making an ass of yourself. Longitude and latitude don’t even describe a plane particularly since they describe positions on a sphere, not a flat surface. Furthermore they describe only the x-y position which is not reality. A “thing” is actually located at the longitude, latitude and height above sea level, which takes into account three dimensions.

    Again we live in a three dimensional world.

  342. I’m not sure I’d assume that “household” and “house” were interchangable terms for purposes of this discussion.

    And if the focus is on income alone, does that mean that old monied families that possess a lot of stuff that is paid for, and perhaps have a large portion of their income from investments that only represent a fraction of their net worth, have paid their “fair share”?

  343. I think you’re being disingenuous Tex. Why of all the names in the world would you pick “Chaz”? If I’m not mistaken, until Chaz Bono made his appearance on DWTS, you were referring to Maddow as Butch Maddow. So I do believe the “mashup” was Bono inspired … perhaps subconsciously.

    Note to GypsyKat, Tex is our resident flame-thrower just in case you have not yet figured that out. While quite capable of launching a well reasoned attack to support his position, he often resorts to ad-hominem rhetoric and gross hyperbole to get his point across. Most of us have come to view it as entertaining. Kinda like Triumph, the Insult Comic Dog.

  344. Huck, not for nuthin’ but the guy in the elevator may simply have been trying to rob her, not rape her so the video’s title is a bit of false advertising. Plus his timing was awfully odd. Why wait until the elevator came to a stop? Still it was good to see him get the crap beat out of him. She’s a spitfire!!!!

  345. Tonight Chris Matthews had the homo military guy that was whining about being booed at his DADT question at the Republican debate, clearly meant to agitate and offend, and he mentioned “his husband.” I laughed out loud. Does that make him the wife? 😈

    The fact that you applaud that soldier being booed shows what a fake patriot you are. Sadly, “gay boy” is willing to put his life on the line to keep your dreaded Muslims from cutting your homophobic head off. 👿

  346. I don’t care what you say. It’s wrong.

    Hey Tigre, I’m not saying it’s not wrong. My initial reaction was that you over- reacted but I do understand what you’re saying. We shoot the crap around here so much it’s easy to lose a sense of proper boundaries.

    Since PF is not a lawyer and you and BiW are, let me know (pro bono advice?) if you’d like me to delete the offensive comment. As I’ve said many times, the only censorship I do on this blog is when legal issues might arise.

  347. Imp, I know you’re in desperate need of friends and especially the kind that might find you attractive, and I can understand your wanting to demonstrate you chivalry to the resident transvestite. You two need to consummate your relationship off the board. I could hear the panting for strange from here. Her unit is bigger than yours too.

    =======

    So let me get this straight? So longitude and latitude have height? Is that what I am to understand now MR. Harvard? That’s almost as funny as Poolman talking about two dimensions of Oklahoma, when he himself resides in the 5th dimension with Homer Simpson and Marge, Tool Man’s wife.

    =======

    I’ve often noted that even the simplest math escapes you. But then, so did financing a home.

    Listen up imp. Have you ever heard of a line? Does that exist in our real world? Can you tell me its dimension? Does one sound correct? Kat obviously flunked conceptual geometry, by literally strangling the definition of its most basic precepts. Let’s see if you can do better. From your favorite site so that you don’t need me to explain it to you:

    In 1884 the United States hosted the International Meridian Conference and twenty-five nations attended. Twenty-two of them agreed to adopt the location of Greenwich as the zero-reference line. The Dominican Republic voted against the adoption of that motion, while France and Brazil abstained. To date, there exist organizations around the world which continue to use historical prime meridians which existed before the acceptance of Greenwich became common-place.

    This latitude/longitude “webbing” is known as the conjugate graticule.

    The combination of these two components specifies the position of any location on the planet, but does not consider altitude nor depth.

    Did you get that Worf? Two dimensional?

    As Pfesser would happily attest as a pilot, elevation is very important. We do live in a three dimensional world – and I for one am glad every pilot in the world realizes that, and even some Harvard grads. But I am afraid you would find even in our three dimensional universe, one and two dimensional concepts are not only useful, but exist and are necessary.

    Hopefully, next time you try to play Clarke Gable, you won’t forget you’re really Elmer Fudd.

    Wise up…. 😉

  348. why do I look out from behind the eyes that belong to this body and not someone else?

    Damn PF … EXACTLY what I have thought many times in those exact words.

    There are times I will be out in public and I’ll look at a total stranger getting into his car and I’ll think “I wonder what he is going home to. What is his reality? What’s it like to be him?” And there are millions of total strangers about which I could have the same conjecture.

    And that is one reason why death is so daunting. I literally cannot imagine “this” ending. I know it will because evidence tells me it has for everyone in history, but damn it’s unfathomable. I can only rationalize it as a total void, much like before birth. Just non-existence. Scary. Is it any wonder billions of people believe in a God?

  349. On his last day in office, Ike warned of the military-industrial complex. Eisenhower was a smart man.

    This celebration today of leaving Iraq rubs me the wrong way in so many ways. The bottom line is it’s a war we should never have fought and we leave behind an Iraq that will probably not endure past another year or so. A terrible terrible waste. So many lives lost in vain. Today is no day to celebrate. It’s a day to be in deep mourning. 😦

  350. What form will that take when we finally understand more of it?

    PF I maintain that what eludes the religious man and the scientist alike is that there will be no “finally”. Man cannot accept this greatest admission of humility:

    We don’t know how we ultimately got here and we never will. Just as there is the concept of infinity, there is the concept of the inexplicable. I maintain some things will NEVER be explained.

  351. A thought occurred to me while I was raking leaves and wrestling with the world’s cutest pup. I know nothing of Huck – the most private member of the board except approximately where he lives and familiarity with what he is pursuing.

    So I got to contemplating, something I do less frequently now that it unnecessary with a pack of feckless and brainless libs to debate – how can a man be a first class critic (and correctly so) of Zero’s foreign policy on Afghanistan and Iraq, a clear supporter of our military and our country, but an absolute appeaser of anything Persian and Islam? Throw in the tacit Jew hatred, a defense of the word Allah though unbeliever, and I have formulated a hypothesis.

    And since I am pretty sure you Huck, unlike The Tool ™ man, actually seems to support America for the most part, and since you Huck seem a reasonably bright guy unlike The Tool ™ man, who is more worthless than dogshit, I’m going to venture a guess.

    Somewhere, perhaps personal, and being that you Huck started college late in life, I’m guessing Huck that you have some affiliation with Iran, perhaps came from Iran and had to work your ass off just to make a go of it for several years? Or maybe a close family member?

    Because frankly, you’re not very truthful about Iran. Yes, their leaders did indeed send wave after wave against Saddam Hussein in suicide runs. However, what you failed to mention is that many if not most of those human “waves” were young boys used as human fodder. That is a well documented fact. There is literally a huge gap in their demographic.

    So Huck, I don’t find these merciless Iranian leaders and their henchmen brave in the least. If heaven awaits and 72 honey pots are there for the taking, why don’t these Revolutionary Guards and their religious leaders line themselves up at the head of the pack and make a go of it?

    I’m calling those Iranians, who lead their impoverished caste into a no win situation gutless and immoral cowards. And sadly, the Iranian transplants, including the guy who will fix my sandwich tonight is an Iranian transplant and one of the nicest people you could ever meet. And his wife is stunningly beautiful. The Iranian people have deserved better for many decades.

    So when I call out these feckless, gutless POS that have led the Iranian people into ruin, why the hostile reaction? Do you assume I hate Iranians?

    Because if you do, you would be wrong. I feel great sympathy, in fact.

  352. Tex “Raji, I appreciate your input, but you’re still not getting BIC’s point, nor mine.”

    BIW “Government isn’t too big because we followed the plan. Government is too big because we specifically deviated from it with the passage of the 17th Amendmendment, which removed the states from the decision making process and allowed the expansion of the federal government and the encroachment by it on to areas of state and individual sovereignty.”

    Tex and BIW, I do get your point. I just may not be responding in a manner that indicates I “get it”. Sometimes my liberal arts degree gets in the way of expressing myself. Although in my defense my degree was in International political science with a minor in business which lead me to a career in international banking not constitutional law.

    My point was government got too big and it wasn’t part of the framers’ plan and we do need to return to state and individual sovereignty!!!! I think that was BIW’s point?

  353. Raji,

    Okay. You get it, I think. By the way, I’m pulling a few chains about ‘Liberal Arts.’

    Liberal Arts covers a pretty wide swath, some worthy, some not. If a few of you were offended, you shouldn’t be. It started out as a joke…

  354. Since PF is not a lawyer and you and BiW are, let me know (pro bono advice?) if you’d like me to delete the offensive comment. As I’ve said many times, the only censorship I do on this blog is when legal issues might arise.

    The legal issue wouldn’t be yours, R. It would be between PFOffspring and her client. I don’t take it as knowingly publishing defamitory statements (which would make you liable for the disclosures of another) or of classified material.

    While I’m confident that given the ionformation given to us, Tigre is right and that we could learn who the parties are, I am not sufficiently riled by PF’s statements to make the effort to get his daughter in trouble, especially since the term for what we do is “practicing”, which implies that we get better over time. It isn’t her fault that her Dad decided to be an asshole, and question the professional bona fides of two people who clued him in to what she and he did. I do not know about Tigre, but I am aware that you know enough about me to ferret out that I am indeed an attorney, where I say.

    If PF has the good sense to request a deletion, then I wouldn’t object to you doing so. It might not be enough to save her, since caching means that the internets are forever (as do programs like Adobe, which allow the user to copy an entire blog post and comments as they appear), but everything might still be ok.

  355. My point was government got too big and it wasn’t part of the framers’ plan and we do need to return to state and individual sovereignty!!!! I think that was BIW’s point?

    It was.

    Frankly, the states have to be in a position to say no to the encroachments before they happen. That doesn’t happen unless they have representation in the federal legislature. By way of example, you couild name any number of unfunded federal mandates to the states that never would have occurred if the States’ representatives could have either vetoed them, or rejected consideration of such bills altogether on the basis that they exceeded the Fed’s authority.

  356. A thought occurred to me… 😯

    Testicular cancer Tex Tickler can sure come up with ’em, eh? Raking leaves and wrestling Mickey all the while labeling and filing those two dimensional mental blocks to help build obstruct his worldly view.

  357. “Liberal Arts covers a pretty wide swath, some worthy, some not. If a few of you were offended, you shouldn’t be. It started out as a joke…”

    I wasn’t.

    I was only a LA major long enough to transfer from community college to university as a History major. Where I found out that foreign languages would keep me from being a History Ph.D., so I switched to Social Sciences and headed for Political Sciences studying mass political behavior.

    I am not Iranian, Middle Eastern, or Muslim. My wife and I are both of (mostly) German descent and as white as the fallen snow. I am just sick of people forming opinions–and policies–around stereotypes and outdated Orientalist studies. It’s dangerous for our country and for the world. Yes, there are other peoples in that equation that need to get their act together, too. But I can’t do everything. 😉

    “However, what you failed to mention is that many if not most of those human “waves” were young boys used as human fodder.”

    I specifically said “boys,” which kind of makes the “human fodder” part implied.

    Don’t get me wrong. I did not write that with an air of approval. I think it is reprehensible to give children a plastic key to Heaven and send them weaponless to their death.

    I wrote it to show just how far Iran goes when it feels threatened. And I think igniting weapons on their soil might count as a threat in their eyes.

    “So when I call out these feckless, gutless POS that have led the Iranian people into ruin, why the hostile reaction? Do you assume I hate Iranians?”

    Perhaps I misinterpreted your comment. I believed you were saying that if the choice was yours you’d have self-destructed that drone.

    I was merely pointing out how short-sighted I believed that position to be. If I was wrong about your comment, I apologize.

  358. I do have a serious question(s) for you out of curiosity, Homer. Why are you two different people here and at Chatty Kitchen? Are you that pretentious in real life?

    Here, you unsuccessfully try to be one of the boys and are always chosen last. At Chatty Kitchen, you come off as the milquetoast, pussified, oh shucks Arnold, benevolent granddaddy.

    Then all of the sudden, you turn on the Moses act with some really strange form of discipleship, as if you’re leading the lost out of the desert. Between you and Aunt Jean Shalom, it reads like a trainwreck over there.

    Has anybody ever told you that you’re a bit touched? Can’t you decide who you are? What gives? I’ve heard of multiple personalities, but I’m not sure I ever met a real one until now.

  359. “Rabbit’s not interested in solidarity with liberals who might actually share his concerns. He’s afraid it would compromise his manhood. ”

    I’m over being concerned. It’s too late for that. “Concerned” implies worry about a possible event.

    I’m preparing for a massive debt bomb that you liberals (and most Republicans) are hell bent on setting off. I’m convinced it is a certainty. God speed.

    We simply can’t afford liberals, even when your hearts are in the right places. (Rarely….its usually old school corruption).

    You guys don’t even have the balls to make a budget at a time when the entire globe is drowning in debt, despite controlling the House, Senate and Presidency.

    I didn’t hear one liberal calling for a budget. Not one.

    You people are a cancer to this country.

  360. Huck, let me ask you a fair question. If in 1983, during a test of a new ballistic missile over the Pacific, the USSR had intercepted and captured our test missile, do you honestly believe Ronald Reagan would have said, “Can we please have our missile back?”

    Because basically, this was stolen technology.

    So exactly what do you find wrong that I suggested I give them once chance to return the technology, or I blow the technology up?

    Then since my hypothesis was wrong, I don’t understand how you could come to the conclusion that a country that has openly and actively, kidnapped our people, killed our soldiers, is the number one proxy of terrorism in the world, and threatened our allies with extinction for 32 year now, is somehow going to be rational.

    Is there anything on earth that Iran could do, that you would finally say, “Enough is enough…”

    I’ll be honest Huck. When George Bush declared war on Iraq, the first thought that went through my mind is, “Geroge, you’re declaring war on the wrong country.” And I continue to hold to that position with good reason.

  361. Good golly miss molly you guys are hard to keep up with! 😉

    Tex: “Do I sense our short love affair has ended?”

    Not at all my dear. I can entertain you like the finest madam.

    Rutherford: “Tex is our resident flame-thrower just in case you have not yet figured that out.”

    I think I figured that one out. 😉

    Tex: “Well, if you didn’t want me to take a peek, why did you dress that way by including your blog address in your entries? Didn’t you want me to look at your titties blog?”

    I obviously did want you to take a peek. Again … Point? I sincerely thanked you for reading.

    BTW, if you think you can scare me off by screaming CUNT, give it your best shot. I’ve been to the Vagina Monologues.

  362. “… government got too big and it wasn’t part of the framers’ plan and we do need to return to state and individual sovereignty!”

    I’m still forming my opinion on this, but I don’t knee-jerk agree with this. With the advance of ability to communicate and travel across state lines (as opposed to the way it was during the framers’ days) I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing that I have the same rights and privileges across state lines based on my federal rights. I’m an American citizen and a woman and a person regardless of which state I’m in. Why should my rights change because I cross from Alabama to Washington (for example). I think states’ rights are important when the issue is specific to a state, not when they are specific to me as a person.

  363. “So exactly what do you find wrong that I suggested I give them once chance to return the technology, or I blow the technology up?”

    It can be seen as an act of direct aggression which has the potential to create a cycle that makes things a lot worse than the indirect type of stuff we do and they do currently.

    It can turn a proxy war into a full blown war. Rationality has absolutely nothing to do with that. It never has.

    That’d be a helluva price to pay for a spy drone.

    “Is there anything on earth that Iran could do, that you would finally say, “Enough is enough…””

    Yeah. But it’s the same things I would condemn anyone else for, too. They can’t go around invading and bombing whomever they like, whenever they like (and I am not talking about the proxy stuff I am well aware of) without provocation or justification. Their beef with Israel is bullshit I don’t agree with. It’s purely religious.

    But talking about going after Israel isn’t worth getting excited over any more than Bush talking about keeping “all options on the table” was worth getting excited over. In the end, it was all posturing. And that’s all it was when Dinnerjacket did it, too. Except for some skirmishes with rebels in Northern Iraq, Iran has not attacked outside of its borders unprovoked in most of its history. (again, not counting the proxy stuff)

    The fact is..we got caught violating the sovereignty of another country. Period. End of story. Yeah, they are gonna get some cool shit out of it. Them’s the breaks. There is just no need to compound the mistake by making more.

  364. BTW, if you think you can scare me off by screaming ****, give it your best shot. I’ve been to the Vagina Monologues.

    😆 Good answer. I didn’t say it, Rutherford. I D I D N O T S A Y I T T H I S T I M E!

    I’ve never spoken to a vagina before, but I would like to. It would be so much easier to ask if I was “doing it right” and get a straight answer.

  365. “Huck, let me ask you a fair question. If in 1983, during a test of a new ballistic missile over the Pacific, the USSR had intercepted and captured our test missile, do you honestly believe Ronald Reagan would have said, “Can we please have our missile back?”

    Because basically, this was stolen technology.”

    As far as I know the official US position is that the drone malfunctioned. It was also not a test drone, but on an admitted spying mission looking for Iranian nuclear sites.

    So Iran didn’t steal our ball, we kicked our ball into Iran’s yard. And now they are keeping it. Wouldn’t you?

  366. Actually, the drone was intercepted and landed intact. It is not clear whether the drone was actually in Iranian airspace.

    The short answer is I could have solved the difficult question of Iranians stealing stealth technology by simply self-destructing the drone – hopefully with the thieves in very close proximity.

    What is so radical with that idea?

  367. R, as far as I’m concerned, it’s between you, PF, and the folks whose professional stature , if any, he compromised to play the character he wishes us to believe is authentic. I pointed it out. I frankly don’t care. There’s no un-ringing the bell.

  368. “What is so radical with that idea?”

    Because in solving one problem there is the potential in creating a much, much bigger problem.

    I never said it was radical. I just think it’s foolish.

    “Actually, the drone was intercepted and landed intact. It is not clear whether the drone was actually in Iranian airspace.”

    I don’t think that is the official US position.

    And it really doesn’t matter. We’ve admitted we were using it to spy on Iran. It was flying over their soil, regardless of how it came to rest upon it.

    “The short answer is I could have solved the difficult question of Iranians stealing stealth technology by simply self-destructing the drone – hopefully with the thieves in very close proximity.”

    Of course, another option is to not fly our cool technology over places we don’t want to wind up with it. Now there’s a “radical” idea….

  369. Here is the official US position as of yesterday.

    “In Kabul Wednesday U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta refused to comment directly on the specifics of the drone’s mission but did not deny that it had been spying on Iran and said the drone program carried out “important intelligence operations which we will continue to pursue.”

    The RQ-170 Sentinel is one of the United States’ most sophisticated drones and flies at up to 50,000 feet. It is designed to evade sophisticated air defenses. One former intelligence official told CNN that it’s “impossible to see” and discounted Iranian claims that it had been brought down by some form of electronic counter-measures.

    “It simply fell into their laps,” he said – after satellite communication was lost.”

  370. Of course, another option is to not fly our cool technology over places we don’t want to wind up with it. Now there’s a “radical” idea….

    Yes, because NOT having good intelligence always leads toi good decision making.

    If you’re goal is to be a diplomat, then you should probably remember that diplomacy is the art of saying “Nice Doggie” until you can find a big rock.

  371. Huck, I really think you minimize the threat Iran poses. Not only is your suggestion naive, it’s dangerous, and frankly in my book, your “solutions” or lack thereof would eventually lead to the free world’s destruction, at a minimum extensive damage.

    In your schooling, you apparently have not learned only one process throughout history has kept the peace – strength. That has been proven time and time again.

    Iran has been at war with us since 1979, with a country not like the USSR, but a principle based on martyrdom.

    The way I look at it there are three alternatives concerning the drone. The question whether we should be there or not is moot at this point because they hold the drone.

    We can retrieve it, we can destroy it, or we can ask pretty please and then let them flaunt it.

    You and Obama have chosen the latter.

  372. If I could have a conversation with a vagina I’d ask it for a blow job.

    😆

    I thought that had something to do with her mouth? Has my wife been fudging me again?

    Not that it would matter because the answer would always be “No”, sometimes followed by “Are you kidding me?”

    Lately, it’s been answered with a snore or a snicker.

  373. “It simply fell into their laps,” he said – after satellite communication was lost.”

    By the look of the pictures, it certainly did land intact for simply falling into their laps. You don’t really believe that, do you?

  374. The New York Times Company today abruptly announced that its 61-year-old chief executive officer, Janet Robinson, will leave at the end of the year, with no permanent successor lined up.

    An SEC filing says Ms. Robinson will get $4.5 million plus health insurance for a 12-month retirement and consulting agreement, including “two-year non-competition, non-solicitation and non-disparagement covenants, a three-year cooperation covenant and an indefinite confidentiality covenant.”

    The Times itself reported that Ms. Robinson’s pay in 2009 was $4.9 million, so she’ll earn almost as much as a retired consultant as as a full-time CEO.

    The handy investment calculator on the Times corporate Web site shows that $10,000 invested in NYT stock the day Ms. Robinson took over as CEO, on December 27, 2004, would be worth $1,855.14 today, a decline of 81.45%. The price of the stock went from $40.59 when she took over to $7.53 today, and though some dividends were paid out early in her tenure as CEO, the dividend has since been suspended.

    Were are your OWS folks Thor, Kat, and Tool? Shouldn’t they be standing in front of the New York Times building this minute?

  375. Oh, well if its only tax dollars you OWS supporters are concerned with, you can exempt about 98% of those Conservatives you are protesting now.

    And 99% of the 1% you are originally wanted to include, before moving the goal posts? No bailouts included, therefore no taxes included. That is after all, the way liberals think.

    But I could have sworn $5,000,000.00 would get you into that 1% you’re so concerned with. That should make it easier for the 16 “things” left protesting, including you.

    How much of the protest in front of Rupert Murdoch’s resident was tax money, Tool? Did Rupert get a bail out we weren’t aware?

    I’ll give you one thing. Bet you were good as a kid at changing the rules midstream in a game of marbles when you were losing what few God granted you. 😉

  376. It’s not enough to defeat Obama.

    Assuming that happens, that will be a short-lived thrill, but won’t it stop the bleeding without the right candidate of choice. This time, it’s not enough to simply win. With need somebody with a brass set to make radical changes to entitlements, vision to change our tax structure, and a willingness to take on the Republican Establishment. They are a large part of this country’s problem.

    WOW! One of the smartest things you’ve said in a long time. Of course, it flies in the face of your Anybody But Obama advocacy but damn Skippy I hope you keep talking like this. THIS is an approach I can respect. Just replacing Obama makes your motives suspect. Replacing him with the right person (even if I don’t agree with that person’s politics) is something I can respect.

    Damn Tex … bravo-friggin-o!

  377. We do live in a three dimensional world – and I for one am glad every pilot in the world realizes that, and even some Harvard grads. But I am afraid you would find even in our three dimensional universe, one and two dimensional concepts are not only useful, but exist and are necessary.

    You just proved my point Sir Nimrod. I’ve bolded the important words for the impaired. No one has argued the conceptual necessity of one and two dimensions (much less the fourth dimension of time). The argument revolves around what is REAL (evident in what we see and touch every day) and what is a concept from which reality is constructed.

    In your eagerness to look smart and diss others you deny my stated fact. Nothing in your reality lacks depth. Nothing in your reality is two dimensional. If you think otherwise perhaps it is you who is getting your info from the Simpsons. 😐

  378. BTW, if you think you can scare me off by screaming CUNT, give it your best shot. I’ve been to the Vagina Monologues.

    That sends me to bed with a smile on my face. I’m always a bit afraid that ole Tex will work his black magic (no wise cracks please) and the latest liberal to visit here will run away unwilling to fight the good fight.

    My faith has been restored. 🙂

    Don’t worry Tex …. even though the Gypsy has stolen my political heart, you’ll always be my misguided BFF! 😀

  379. The fact is..we got caught violating the sovereignty of another country. Period. End of story. Yeah, they are gonna get some cool shit out of it. Them’s the breaks. There is just no need to compound the mistake by making more.

    This reminds me of Ron Paul in tonight’s debate. Damn he was on fire … his best performance yet. And he said this very thing … why the hell do we have the drone snooping over Iranian airspace in the first place?

    Paul’s foreign policy is the right one …. 180 degrees from where we’ve been for the past 20 to 30 years. Until we wake up, lots more folks are going to be sent to their deaths for nothing.

  380. Iran has been at war with us since 1979, with a country not like the USSR, but a principle based on martyrdom.

    The ONLY good point made by Santorum tonight was that we really can’t compare our relationship with Iran to our relationship with USSR during the cold war. Mutually assured destruction only works when neither player wants to die. If one player likes playing the martyr card, there has to be some other alternative utilized.

  381. “Huck, I really think you minimize the threat Iran poses. Not only is your suggestion naive, it’s dangerous, and frankly in my book, your “solutions” or lack thereof would eventually lead to the free world’s destruction, at a minimum extensive damage.”

    As you might recall, my solution has always been to let Israel take care of Iran’s threat. Iran is no danger to us.

    My solution is the one that is less threatening to America and Americans. At the end of the day, where do your loyalties rest, Tex? America or Israel? Sometimes you can’t have both.

    “In your schooling, you apparently have not learned only one process throughout history has kept the peace – strength. That has been proven time and time again.”

    Oh I am well aware of it. And so is Iran. Why do you think they want a bomb?

    I have told you this before….

    Iran sees NoKo and Pakistan with bombs and they don’t get invaded. It sees Iraq and Afghanistan without bombs and they do get invaded. And in those invasions, Iran’s enemies begin to surround it. Not to mention Israel’s nukes.

    My point is that it doesn’t need to be our strength.

    “Iran has been at war with us since 1979, with a country not like the USSR, but a principle based on martyrdom.”

    How many times have they attacked us directly since then?
    How many times have they attacked anyone directly since then?
    Or in the last 50 years?
    Or in the last 100 years?
    Or longer?

    You can count the number on 1 hand, and that includes the embassy event.

    You want to talk about history? That’s history. Modern Iran has pretty much no history of military aggression outside its borders. So what exactly are we basing these perceived threats on? A “president” that is not in charge of the country’s military or foreign policy?

    “You and Obama have chosen the latter.”

    No I have not. With my choice they would not have the drone because I wouldn’t have flown it over Iran. Again…I say let Israel deal with it. Surely they don’t need our spy drones. I hear they are real smart folks over there.

  382. Iran sees NoKo and Pakistan with bombs and they don’t get invaded. It sees Iraq and Afghanistan without bombs and they do get invaded. And in those invasions, Iran’s enemies begin to surround it. Not to mention Israel’s nukes.

    And you left out Libya. Ron Paul made the point tonight that Libya agrees to give up her nuclear ambitions and American led NATO kicks her ass.

    Frankly if I were Iran, I’d say to America “I’ll give up my nuclear ambitions when you give up yours.”

    You see that is the problem with nukes. When the “sane” guys get to have them, the insane ones want them too.

  383. Oh, come now Huck. A quote from 2008?! Really? No chance there’s geopolitics involved now is there?

    Or, more likely, domestic politics. The “Palestinians” are reviled in Jordan. They’re viewed as ignorant, annoying and whining. They can’t stand them, mostly because of how the refugees have been conditioned as victims. They are considered parasites.

    The ground was originally part of Trans-Jordan, so yes, they were/are JORDANIAN ARABS.

  384. Remember Gorilla, Huck told us Iran poses no danger to us. That should make everyone sleep a lot better. 🙄 And hey, Iran only attacked us a few times, so they haven’t exceeded their quota of dead Americans yet.

    Kind of like Nazi Germany never posed a threat “to us” either.

    I’ll assume when Israel is forced to intervene and inflames the entire Muslim world Huck admires so, you heard it here first. Huck will remain neutral and we will be able to stand and cheer our side on without risk. Surely Huck will find a new found respect for Israel then?

    Pay no attention to Imp. Virtually everyone here understands Rutherford’s perfect prophetic record of being wrong every time. He’s still arguing in defense of his new pal Kat from the mathematical argument from above, and still doesn’t know that he is destroying her argument in the process of being chivalrous. 🙂 Bet he was great on a date.

    Like I told you and Tigre. My impression of the innate talent has changed dramatically over the years. 😉

  385. Mutually assured destruction only works when neither player wants to die. If one player likes playing the martyr card, there has to be some other alternative utilized.

    Perhaps the only thing you’ve written here (ever) that was actually prescient. Try to convince Huck now, will you? He doesn’t seem to be differentiate the difference.

    Have you ever seen the Vagina Monologues, Rutherford. I saw part of a recording – classic lib misandrists. I’ll bet you and your wife would love it. 😈

  386. “Like I told you and Tigre. My impression of the innate talent has changed dramatically over the years.”

    No hit. If it applied to gambling, he would by like our Rain Man at a craps table in Vegas. 😆

  387. I always think of you first Rutherford when the candidates talk about how absolutely awful Obama has been at these debates. The louder the boos, the louder the claps at the disparaging remarks, the bigger the smile on my face.

    I picture you and the Mrs seething on the couch, the wailing and gnashing of teeth, broken pieces of your Obama angel shattered on the floor with your cute daughter begging to turn the channel. 😀

  388. As predicted, the voting continues to go the way of the Islamist/Salafist ideology.

    Winning!!!

    (Almasry Alyoum) — Initial results from the second round of People’s Assembly elections emerging Friday suggested another landslide victory for Islamists. Vote counting began late Thursday night after polling stations closed.

    Counts from Giza Governorate’s first constituency showed that the Muslim Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party (FJP) list took the most votes, followed by, in order, the Nour, Wafd and Wasat party lists.

    FJP candidate Gamal al-Ashry so far received the most votes for the professional single-winner seat in Giza’s second district, followed by Nour candidate Nasser Ouda.

    The contest was closer between Egyptian Bloc-backed candidate Eid Anwar and independent candidate Sayyed al-Manaei for the worker single-winner seat in Giza’s first constituency.

    After initial results began to trickle out, FJP supporters in Talebeya chanted, “Count the votes, you will find them Islamic.”

    In Suez Governorate, initial results showed the Nour Party list surpassing the FJP list with nearly 50 percent of the vote. Other competing lists did not receive any significant number of votes.

    Initial results from Sohag Governorate indicated that the FJP list took 45 percent of the vote, followed by the Nour Party list with 35 percent and the Egyptian Bloc list with 20 percent.

  389. I wonder if any of our Muslim apologists on this board will ever clue in that their worst nightmare is underway, and the excuse making for unprovoked bad behavior is quickly going to become as difficult to cover as Obama’s economic performance of saving jobs?

    The spin will be pegged at 6,000RPM in less than 12 months I predict. Maybe if Israel would just allow itself to be annihilated, everything will be okay? 😡

  390. They can’t stand them, mostly because of how the refugees have been conditioned as victims.

    Funny … sounds like the way many folks on this board talk about American blacks. 😐

  391. Tex, Kat and I are winning the mathematical debate. Sorry dude. Perhaps it’s because you’re debating your own topic and not paying attention to the topic at hand …. reality vs mathematical constructs and models.

    I haven’t had the pleasure of seeing the Vagina Monologues. I assumed it had a feminist slant.

  392. Damn! More tragic news from the world of Fat Grannies. I’ve been booted for about the fifth time. 😡 No, not really – it makes me snort every time. I practically have to wave a flag with skull and crossbones to get their dumb moderator’s attention. We aren’t talking MENSA candidates.

    I’ll bet old Juneau Joe, a F.G. minion of no apparent worth or intellect even at Fat Grannies, finally threw in the white towel and reported he’s had enough of having his balls mashed in the vise. I was only trying to help him when I explained he was like a tackling dummy placed at the line of scrimmage in a real game, interfering even with his own team.

    I thought my counseling would help. Guess not.

    It’s got to be terribly frustrating for Dear Leader and her sheep, bleating from the field of bacon grease to try and kill the coyote, only to arise the next morning eager to break bread and suck the toes of Helen and President Zero for breakfast with the other equally worthless and weak groupies – and find another virtually smack across their cellulite, wrinkled asses and a couple of more sheep missing.

    Sphinx Taylor. Wolfman Taylor. Dracula Taylor. Now I’ll go back to being Cat Taylor – on my 6th life, rising from the ashes. 😀

    I was just going to wish them Happy Kwanzaa this morning too and provide an attagirl for Helen admitting her ass was fat and to change her blog name.

    Doesn’t everybody find Fat Grannies easier to remember than Margaret & Helen?

  393. Try to convince Huck now, will you?

    Just because I understand that the concept of mutually assured destruction doesn’t work with Iran, doesn’t mean I disagree with Huck.

    I honestly don’t know what our alternatives are with Iran. I don’t believe it’s our place to decide who is nuclear and who is not. Heck, officially Israel is not nuclear although I think most folks know that they really are. Their nuke program is not inspected by anyone as far as I know.

    Possession of nuclear weapons is the 2nd amendment on a macro level. Don’t you believe everyone has the right to bear arms? 😉

    The best solution I can think of is to let Iran’s enemies take care of themselves until they explicitly ask for our help. Iran is an immediate threat to Israel, not to us. Let Israel handle it. If they need our help then let them ask for it.

  394. Frankly if I were Iran, I’d say to America “I’ll give up my nuclear ambitions when you give up yours.”

    Which is why Kindergardeners do not run countries.

    You see that is the problem with nukes. When the “sane” guys get to have them, the insane ones want them too.

    They can want, but if the sane ones want to live, then they have to prevent the insane ones from getting them….or give them to the insane ones, which is going to be the only option available to us with the current administration.

    I guess we can get along without major city or two. Its sad that many people will be sacrificed to teach that isolationism won’t and can’t work, but for some people, that’s the only way the lesson gets learned.

    The best part, I’m sure, will be hearing how it will have been BBBOOOOOOOSSSSSSHHHHHH’s fault…especially after years of [not so] Smart Power.

  395. I’d like the board’s opinion on this concept that was brought up in last night’s debate. Should we really be concerned that jihad is brewing in South America and that we are the eventual target of attack from the south? I believe it was Santorum and/or Perry who floated that balloon last night.

  396. …with your cute daughter begging to turn the channel.

    Tex my daughter has a cold practicality about her. Not a lot of empathy there. I fear she will end up a Tex Taylor conservative and there will be much sturm und drang between us as she grows up. 😦

  397. Hey G, unless you suspect voter fraud, why are you so perturbed by the developments in Egypt? Either we support a free people choosing their own government or we don’t.

    Perhaps the lesson learned from Egypt (and probably Libya) is that sometimes dictatorships are good and we should stop trying to spread democracy around the world.

  398. Rutherford, you really do need to team up with the other MENSA candidates at Fat Grannies. Finally, after three arduous years of having your brains bashed in, you think you have found your calling. A possible date with a knockout transvestite.

    Once again:

    Even with my liberal arts degree, I know two-dimensions cannot exist in a three-dimensional world. Didn’t you take geometry?

    Does a line exist in geometry? Does a plane exist in geometry? Does a point exist in the real world? Does a line exist in the real world? What’s the elevation of the conjugate graticule? Does that point exist in our three dimensional world?

    Did you not get my message Elmer her unit is bigger than yours and you’d be out of your league?

    Well, I’m not the world’s most physical guy
    But when she squeezed me tight she nearly broke my spine
    Oh my Gypsy, G-G-Gypsy

    Well, I know I am dumb but I can’t understand
    Why she walked like a woman but talked like a man
    Oh my Gypsy, G-G-Gypsy

  399. Great point Poolman.

    Thor reminds me of something. The hypocrisy meter on this board gets overloaded repeatedly. Every time I repair the damn thing, it gets a fuse blown. The latest example is Newt Gingrich vis-a-vis Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Folks on this board have gone ballistic about the ills of the FM’s. Yet they have been voicing support for Newt Gingrich who received millions from these institutions to assist in their survival.

    The FM connection should be a Newt deal breaker for all you folks who moan and groan about Barney Frank. But then should I really be surprised by the double standards?

  400. Lines and points exist in 2 dimensional space and have substance (take up space) in a three dimensional world.

    Drop it, Tex. You’re digging a hole, something I am expert in. 😀

  401. Christopher Hitchens died. I guess he’ll have a new perspective now.

    Poolman I said to my wife last night, “now Christopher knows the truth.” Honestly Poolman, I hope for his sake and everyone else’s that the “truth” somewhat resembles what you believe. Then again, I’d gather you believe he’s rotting in hell right now. 😦

  402. Don’t you believe everyone has the right to bear arms? 😉

    Should we release the armed robbers from your neighborhood prison at the apartment complex and give them AK-47s?

    Personally, like abortion, you’ve about won me over Rutherford. Keep those brilliant ideas of yours a comin’. I can’t tell you what an immense impact you have had in channeling my new found opinions.

    Terminate all them future little libbies, so my children have less stupidity and envy to live amongst than I have had to bear. And let Israel handle the situation – with a hydrogen bomb each over Tehran, Damascus, Cairo, and Uom. I’m sitting in the middle of the U.S. gas patch. Will be good for my investments.

    We can adopt the Ron Paul strategy and just sit back and ignore it, while keeping our tires inflated for national security.

  403. LOL Tex I live for your song parodies.

    Let me try this one more time. Tex would you agree that in the real world everything exists in ALL three dimensions? If you agree with that, the argument is over. I understand a point. I understand a line. I understand a plane. Hell, I’ve even been exposed to (although don’t fully understand) the Klein bottle. Our reality cannot exist without these constructs. I get that. I’m simply talking about what you encounter in the real world.

  404. This place resembles the 5th Dimension all the Time. Now Tool is providing remedial math classes in mathematical concepts.

    Newton drove a backhoe.

    Doesn’t get any more far out than that.

  405. Then again, I’d gather you believe he’s rotting in hell right now.

    I don’t know that. That is where Tex would place him.

    Separation from God, hell, purgatory, limbo, who knows? I guess Hitchens does, though doubtful he’ll be able to relate it to the rest of the living. We’ll all get the opportunity to “know”. Or not.

    One of those mysteries that doesn’t have clear answers or easy discovery.

  406. Yes, they exist in a three dimensional world – by definition. A point, a line. Thank you for finally agreeing 🙂 You can apologize later Charlie for being a blockhead when Obama is defeated.

    Rutherford, look at the bright side. My constant badgering, belittling and other insidious grievances has led you to the crossroads – a point 🙂 , that one way or another you’re a hundred dollars richer come next November.

    Now, if you could find 10,000 saints like me, you wouldn’t have to worry about retirement and could afford the accompanying blood pressure medication. 😉

  407. I don’t know that. That is where Tex would place him.

    Tex doesn’t have the authority, nor the permissions to place someone in hell. You should be eternally grateful Tool ™. I have neither the wisdom, patience or restraint of the One who holds that authority.

    I have no idea where Christopher Hitches’ soul resides at this moment. Won’t even venture a guess and try not to contemplate the finality.

    And though Hitchens would scream bloody murder and slap me for this trite and cliched saying, I’ll say it anyway.

    “I’ll miss his earthly presence. I always found him an interesting read, and anybody that would shoot the finger at Bill Maher’s unsophisticated audience is okay in my book.”

  408. No. I don’t wish Hell on Hitchens.

    But what I’d wish for him doesn’t matter now. Its all about what he’s chosen.
    _________________________________________________

    R, I have had problems with Newt, and have said so before, chief among them, his default response to any problem being government. He’s like the guy who doesn’t know when to shut up. He talks and I can listen and nod my head in agreement, and then…its a “WTF?” moment when you hear him talking and he has gone completely off the reservation. I heard an interview with Rove yesterday, and I laughed out loud when he said that Newt too often fires, then aims. I thought that summed it up rather well.

    That said, he would undoubtedly beat Obama up and steal his lunch money in any debate.

  409. anybody that would shoot the finger at Bill Maher’s unsophisticated audience is okay in my book.

    Mmmm you lost me on that one. Hitch and Maher were brothers in their atheism. I recall their getting on quite well. Maybe I missed something somewhere?

  410. Rutherford –

    re: Fifth Dimension. Ahhhhhhhh…..beauty from another time. Marilyn McCoo (sp?) is still married to Billy Davis Jr at my last checking. I guess “Bill” responded to those Wedding Bell Blues.

    I think she is still singing and is in Vegas.

    On another note. Just got back from the municipal airport. A local fellow just put his airplane through the perimeter barbed-wire fence last night. He ignored PFesser’s emergency checklist of night flying: if you don’t know how high you are, FULL POWER. PITCH UP 10 DEGREES, FLAPS UP. TRIM. DEEP BREATH. CLEAN OUT PANTS AFTER REACHING ALTITUDE. NAVIGATE TO GLIDE PATH. DESCEND ON VASI. GET AIRPORT FRIENDS TO KICK ASS THOROUGHLY. GET ON KNEES AND APOLOGISE TO YOUR AIRCRAFT FOR PUTTING HER IN DANGER.

    The last thing we need is more goddamned Feds crawling around, grousing about how dangerous those “little airplanes” are.

    They were already there. Pilot looked like a very sad dog.

  411. That said, he would undoubtedly beat Obama up and steal his lunch money in any debate.

    The stealing part I believe. The beat him up part, not so much.

    Everyone wants to see Newt in a debate with Obama. What’s the point? Do debate winners make good presidents? I bet Satan can win any debate with any man. Does that make for good leadership?

  412. You know what’s weird Pfesser now that you mention it. I’ve been up in my father-in-laws Cessna several times – flown from OK to CO three times. I can understand the thrill of the small plane, though no pilot. Completely different experience than some stinking commercial jet and actually quite fun, except when when your wife pukes in your lap.

    But it just occurred to me. Not once, has it not been in broad daylight. I have a stupid question. Are there special licenses or training required to fly at night?

  413. Have you forgotten why I “LOVED” Christopher Hitchens, Brother “R”?

    Well, well. Here’s a classic video that should go down in lib face slapping history. Watch greatness. Hitchens finest moment IMO.

  414. Tex –

    Actually very interesting about night flying. In Europe you have to be instrument-rated to fly at night, but not here. The first time you do it as a student with an instructor you will be horrified by how easy it is to lose control of the airplane. It is also very, very easy – especially on moonless nights or over water – to lose your bearings and become spatially disoriented. (See John Kennedy Jr. I can hear his wife now: “You’re a PILOT, aren’t you? My sister and I want to go to Martha’s Vineyard.” Overwater, night, misty. Non-instrument rated pilot. He should have said said, NO, we are not flying tonight and taken his belt to her ass if she persisted.) The instruments won’t seem to make any sense; you’ll be turning the plane one direction and leaning the other. The call that the “leans” oddly enough. I was fortunate to finally get to experience it with an instructor, flying in and out of the bottoms of clouds where the temptation is to try to get your bearings from ground references through little holes in the cloud cover. I had heard it was tough to fight the first time or two, but it REALLY WAS. Took me a couple of minutes fighting it until I finally said, OK – fly by the instruments and nothing else, but everything in me said I was wrong. The instructor was a former Alaska bush pilot and he just sat there and grinned. Neither of us said a damn thing, but he could see me struggling. He just let me work it out. Great experience.

    To land at night you need to look at the chart and stay above the MSA, minimum sector altitude, until you can get on the VASI, which is a set of red and white lights that shine up at an angle of about 3 degrees. If you are on the runway heading and on the VASI you can’t hit anything. My buddy didn’t do that. He has a modern, fast airplane that he can’t fly and just got behind. Plowed quite a furrow, but no injuries.

  415. I respect much of Christopher Hitchens’ intelligent rants. Other times I didn’t agree and often he came off very arrogant. But that is part of his personality. His brother is a Christian and their exchanges were quite good, I recall. He also was quite a critic of our government and institutional corruption. This one from C-Span was good.

  416. Instrument rated. That’s the term I could not remember. Gawd, I’m getting old. Thank you for sharing that. I had not ever given much thought about a black night and directional bearings until we recently crossed the Pacific on one of those red eye flights.

    I remember looking out the window on the moonless night and other than the lights of the plane, the world appeared pitch black, and I remember wondering, “how did those guys navigate hundreds of years ago in the middle of the sea when the stars weren’t visible?

  417. “I remember looking out the window on the moonless night and other than the lights of the plane, the world appeared pitch black, and I remember wondering, “how did those guys navigate hundreds of years ago in the middle of the sea when the stars weren’t visible?”

    It was a bitch. The penalty for messing with the ship’s compass was death. Incidentally, ditto for loose cannon, because it could go down the hold and through the bottom.

    Latitude was not too tough; the sextant was pretty accurate. The real bitch was longitude, solved pretty well by the invention of the chronograph – just a VERY accurate clock. Those guys had some kind of cojones, IMHO.

  418. Those guys had some kind of cojones, IMHO.

    Cojones I don’t think I could muster, and certainly not voluntarily. It would have to be a matter of life and death for me to muster than kind of courage – no choice in the matter.

    I usually pride myself on direction. Have a TomTom and have never used it. My kids use it. Give me a good road map and I’ll handle the rest, even the mountains.

    But:

    Once in Houma, LA, – the real bayou with drawbridges and the works where they film ‘Swamp People’ – I left in a hurry to get to Lafayette, LA. I made a bad decision to take a shortcut from a local road map I picked up at the hotel. Very bad idea down a road that curved at every corner and I must have gotten turned around.

    Got on a road traveling N/S. So I headed what I thought was north thinking it would eventually run into I-10. On each side of the narrow two lane road with no shoulder were those thick, tall pine trees covered with moss. It was nearing dark and I couldn’t travel much faster than 25-30 mph. I could not make out which side was east or west so I could confirm the direction because it was twilight and starting to rain. I traveled down this road for the better part of thirty minutes, still believing I was heading north, only to find myself at the end of the road and staring at the Gulf of Mexico. Oops…

    That was actually quite disturbing and a little frightening. All it cost me was a little time and a dose of humility. I can certainly see on a pitch black night, or end bad weather, how somebody completely loses their spatial orientation.

  419. The big problem with spatial disorientation is up/down. If an airplane is in a coordinated turn and you drop a bolt out of your hand, it will fall straight between your feet, because the combination of centrifugal force and gravity sums up to vertical (from your perspective), but somewhat sideways from gravity’s perspective. So what you think is straight down is NOT. The tighter the turn the worse it is, hence the “graveyard spiral.”

    It will scare you until you literally shit yourself because you have NO idea which way is up.

    The average lifespan for a non instrument-rated pilot in the clouds is two minutes, and most of that is time to fall; it takes about 30 seconds to lose control. The macho idea that if you were just good enough, you could fly “by the seat of your pants” greatly delayed instrument research. I can’t think who did it first….Wiley Post? Dolittle? Somebody famous, but I can’t remember who. He had a safety pilot in the back and covered his cockpit window up with cloth. Took off, flew, landed completely blind. Thus began the modern era of air transportation.

    You are a fool to fly at night or in any kind of weather unless you are instrument rated, IMHO. But despite the scary stuff I wrote above, if you are rated you can fly with perfect safety. The airline pilots, procedures, equipment is beyond amazing; all us amateurs aspire to their level of competence.

  420. I’m sure my father-in-law is instrument rated and I don’t know the varying degrees if there is such a thing, because my father-in-law was pilot in the Korean War – guess that is where he learned to fly. I never asked. That Cessna I’m guessing hasn’t gone out of the hangar in five years since he had back surgery. That is an expensive hobby you’ve got.

    When Bob and I crawl into that cockpit and if Bob just happened to stroke out while manning the controls, I can probably kiss my ass goodbye and put on a par of Depends. I understand conceptually by watching him, but then I understood conceptually how to drive before I backed into a pickup while on my first date as a 15 1/2 year old too.

    Hopefully, somebody intelligent and experienced enough could talk me down if I was calm enough to learn how to use the radio without speaking in tongues. Braking might be the biggest problem as I went past the control tower at a 120 knots. 😆 Join your friend out there in the cow pasture.

  421. It’s not as expensive as you might think. If you want to take lessons, the best way is to get someone to help you buy an older Cessna 150 or 152. Prices are so low now you could find a really decent one for 15-20K. They burn about 5 gal/hr, so your expense would basically be a yearly inspection, fuel, a little oil and your instructor. Fly it until you get your license and then sell it for about the same money.

  422. John Jr.’s death struck me as typical Kennedy. Over confident and cocky. What a terrible waste. But thanks PF for the explanation. I always did wonder how John Jr. could have gotten so disoriented. Now I understand.

  423. I’m not sure what my father-in-law’s plans are with his. My brother-in-law has his pilot’s license, so maybe he will inherit it. I thought they were more in the $40-50K range. That is cheaper than I thought.

    I wasn’t thinking so much about the flying cost, but the maintenance. I know Bob brought his in “hot” one day at an airstrip in Springfield, MO, and since I’m “retired” praying for ambition 😉 , I drove him up to retrieve it – about a three hour drive one way.

    The bill for the fix was $13,000K. Gulp.

    P.S. I don’t know why I am gulping – that’s a bargain compared to college education. Just got the spring semester bill for private U. in today’s mail. Pisses me off… 😡 And certainly not worth it. This littlest pretty poo of mine is starting to stir the ambition to get off my ass before I too am eating dogfood.

  424. Expo Square, actually the Quik Trip Center if memory serves as they recently refurbished it, is a huge convention center that is used for all types of conventions, the state fair, indoor concerts, all kinds of shows, monster truck racing, dirt bike racing, art shows, you name it, it handles it all. Kind of like a huge two level warehouse that houses hundreds of booths at a time.

    I used to go to it every year for the State Fair, but I haven’t gone in a few years now since the family moved away. It’s big enough they used to hold indoor state fairs inside. It must be three city blocks long.

    It’s part of the Tulsa County Fairgrounds and used for various expose’ which is actually about smack dab in the middle of the city. It’s actually a large part of a pretty impressive facility. They recently had a horse show out there that rivals Vegas, what they tell me.

    Used to be a year around amusement park there to, but they razed that for parking.

  425. Just to add to the one topic that seems to have everyone’s agreement, I too will miss Hitchens. Brilliant writer and speaker that would not fit into anyone else’s mold.

  426. And since no one but me has apparently seen the Vagina Monologues, one of the famous elements of it is getting the entire audience to scream cunt at the top of their lungs over and over. Hence the reference when I told Tex to give it his best shot.

    Rutherford, glad I could make you smile!

  427. Hitchens. Shit he really flipped them off, didn’t he?

    This is no bullshit. I did exactly the same thing to my whole med school class. This was 1976/77, thereabouts. They were sucking up to some line of psychobabble by the psychiatry prof, who fancied himself a real intellect. He and I got into a discussion about some liberal/conservative thing……….I remember what it was now!! He expressed that children had no responsibility to take care of their parents when they got old and thus ruin their own happiness.
    When I said that was the most immoral thing I had ever heard, he smirked and asked me what MY life experience was, and by God I told him, including the farming and coal mining part, and being raised in a mountain community that had some Real Values and Real Respect for old people and that I was horrified that anyone would consider being so goddamned self-centered that they would not take care of their parents. He expressed some doubt that it was “valid,” as did the rest of the class, which had swallowed his liberal bullshit………. My response was, “What do you want them to do, go on some windswept hillside and die? Is that their “responsibility?”

    Back then you didn’t question The Gospel. But I had just had e-fucking nuff and told them so. The class started hissing and I stood up and walked across the front of the room with my finger up and made sure I pointed my arm at every rank and file in the room.

    Jesus I had almost forgot about that. Fucking lunatic. I should have smoked more dope and chilled out more. Ah hell, fuck ’em. They deserved it. I hadn’t thought about that in ages. LOL

    Actually all good docs now. I keep track of about 2/3 of them…one even took my wife’s gall bag out.

  428. Yes, it looks like Quik Trip Center is another facility. I have a good friend that coordinates their events. It can be interesting work and Oklahoma is a “right to work state” so unions don’t have a monopoly on stagehand employment. It also is work somewhat forgiving of age, some aspects of it anyway. 😀

  429. Damn Pfesser.

    What the hell would cause some Psy Professor to say something like that? What an a-hole. Was a PHD or MD? The reason I ask, is I found some of the PHD’s, while subject matter experts for sure, complete turds outside the classroom. They were there for the research. I think they have a bee up their ass because most of the people they are teaching will be making far than they do in the future. They have a definite delusion of self-worth.

    I had heated conversation with the asshole doctor who was head of the school during my orientation. 😆 before even my first day of class at a lunch table. I should have known then that wasn’t for me. This one stiff, who ended being #1 in the class I understand, told me it made him terribly uncomfortable to do that in front of him. I wanted to punch the kiss ass in the mouth after I put my foot up his ass, and told him in no uncertain terms, even from the President of the Medical school, I wasn’t going to be browbeat in public. I called my uncomfortable classmate Bob Marmalard for the rest of the semester after the President of the Greek Fraternity in Animal House – he even looked the part. I real suckup and dick.

    Seems I asked the wrong question to Doctor Dickhead, not meaning to be a smart ass but asking why he had come to that conclusion running a medical practice was nothing but an impersonal business. This was after not 30 minutes before, he had laid the “empathy crap” on heavy to a bunch of high strung rubes in his speech as we all genuflected at his greatness. He told me my MBA would come in very handy and be my “most valued” degree! I kid you not. I told him, “I hope not.”

    Wrong response….

    They fired him the next year. Or he was “retired.” Had the disposition of Woody Hayes – I can not even imagine this hotheaded clown with a patient. Dr Kevorkian.

    I get the hissing part. Most of these folks took the professionalism of being a student way too seriously. A couple of them got bent when we had our “team meetings” and I mentioned that professional schooling was not being stacked three deep in a locker to get ready for lab, and I had the nerve to mention we should at least have standing room in front of our own locker. Guess I wasn’t a “team” player. They berated me for my poor attitude. I couldn’t believe it. That probably was the beginning of the end – to be patronized by a bunch of 22 year olds.

  430. “Christopher Hitchens died.”
    Regardless of what you think of the man, his articles that he wrote regarding his cancer treatments were astounding. I just finished his last article in Vanity Fair describing in vivid detail his chemo/radiation treatments during the last 18 months.

    “Reviewing familiar principles and maxims in the face of mortal illness, Christopher Hitchens has found one of them increasingly ridiculous: “Whatever doesn’t kill me makes me stronger” Oh Really?…..”

    Rarely has a cancer patient so apply described the trials and tribulations of the process of dying. “And then I had an unprompted rogue thought: If I had been told all this in advance, would I have opted for the treatment? There were several moments as I bucked and writhed and gasped and cursed when I seriously doubted it”

  431. I read that too Raji. It was very good. Hitchens was an incredibly talented, wickedly twisted, offensive yet enlightening all in one, and IMO a terribly torn and troubled man. I kind of compare Hitchens to a modern day Nietzsche.

    Not someone I wanted a close relationship even if he would have me as friend, but so talented I was mesmerized by the thoughts of his mind.

  432. I agree Tex. I think we often can learn from the readings of torn and troubled minds as they speak of that which we don’t often comprehend.
    I delved into Joseph Conrad at one time and a quote from him has stuck in my mind.
    “It is when we try to grapple with other men’s intimate needs that we perceive how incomprehensible are the beings that share with us the sight of the stars and the warmth of the sun”

  433. I have one comment to make regarding flying as I have flown in small planes, bi-planes, Waco’s, Sterman’s, Great Lakes.

    I want to see the bumper sticker on the plane that says “There are no old bold pilots”

  434. There are two people from my own home state that currently make me ashamed. From perhaps the reddest state in the nation, somehow we have created two of the sorriest POS in our nation.

    (1) Private Bradley Manning
    (2) Elizabeth Warren

    The latter is adamant stupidity. How can somebody this clueless possibly be considered for Congress? Yeah, I know Poolman, you just wuv her. And that is exactly my point.

    http://bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view/2011_1216harvard_prof_flunks_economics_should_just_pipe_down_over_keystone