Did Obama Attend Kindergarten?

No, this is not an article about madrasas. No, I am not requesting that Obama release his academic records. Remember the 1988 book All I Really Need to Know I Learned in Kindergarten? Well, I never read it but I do know the premise. The lessons learned early in life are the most important ones, lessons about honesty, fairness, and kindness. One thing that I learned at a very young age was not to call names. How does this lesson apply to President Barack Obama? Let’s take a trip in the wayback machine and see.

April, 2008: Obama as a candidate for President said,

You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them and they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

July, 2009: President Obama said,

I don’t know – not having been there and not seeing all the facts – what role race played in that, but I think it’s fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home.

Both of these statements by Obama triggered outrage from his critics. How dare he call Pennsylvanians “bitter”? The nerve of him to call the Cambridge police stupid! At the time, I defended him because I felt in both cases he spoke truth. Yet now comes another incident that has me rethinking my position.

November, 2011: President remarks at APEC Forum,

I think it’s important to remember that the United States is still the largest recipient of foreign investment in the world. And there are a lot of things that make foreign investors see the U.S. as a great opportunity — our stability, our openness, our innovative free market culture. But we’ve been a little bit lazy, I think, over the last couple of decades. We’ve kind of taken for granted — well, people will want to come here and we aren’t out there hungry, selling America and trying to attract new business into America.

GOP Presidential wanna-be Rick Perry took this quote and ran with it claiming that Obama was calling Americans lazy. He drummed up a campaign ad totally distorting Obama’s message.

Democrats are right to criticize Perry for taking Obama’s message out of context. Clearly, Obama was not talking about Americans in general. He was talking about American business and their efforts to pursue foreign investment. But what Obama’s defenders are missing is that the entire brouhaha could have been avoided if Obama did not engage in name calling.

Whether it’s “bitter” in 2008 or “acted stupidly” in 2009 or “lazy” in 2011, Barack has a hard time staying away from negative, damning adjectives. When he does this he comes off judgmental and condescending. He is basically begging his opponents to kick him in the ass either in context or out of context.

A man of Obama’s considerable rhetorical skills should know that it is always better to phrase a criticism or judgment in the form of a positive suggestion for improvement rather than a negative description of the current behavior. Every corporate manager has been taught this when training to give performance reviews.

My advice to the President: stop name-calling and start building alliances. You’ll need every alliance you can find in 2012.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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638 thoughts on “Did Obama Attend Kindergarten?

  1. Build alliances. Guffaw. Not unless its America’s foes. Obama has got all the alliances he ever had and will ever have.

    The man builds alliances by criticizing and tearing down his foes, then counts on the thug unions and ACORN, MSM, rubes, the dependents, and propagandists like you to carry his water and demonize his opponents and corporations. And you’ve obliged since I’ve known you. Don’t go wobbly now. 🙄

    MSNBC is premised entirely on tearing down and disparaging anything Republican, as is the Washington Post, as the New York Times, and the alphabet news, and Journolist, etc…. It’s the Dimocratic way. It’s there only way. I’ve been saying this to you for three years, and you keep denying it.

    You’re out of big government ideas which have failed in their entirety, and you’re flat out of other people’s money. Time to step aside Mr. Obama. You had two full years of super majorities and made things worse – much worse – first a failed stimulus, then Obamacare, then nationalized the auto industry, the latte two which even Obama doesn’t mention – that unpopular. You got everything you wanted and it still failed. If it’s not George Bush, it’s Grover Norquist. If it’s not Grover Norquist, it’s the Koch Brothers and FOX News.

    We are now on the precipice of a second downgrade. Hear that?

    Super committee – what a joke. And what was the only Dimocratic suggestion – $1 trillion dollar tax hike (on the rich, of course).

    Where’s the cuts? What? Defense? Still blaming the Iraq War on the deficit, though it now totals $4,200,000,000 a day?

    Rutherford, even your backtracking is partisan. Why don’t you save yourself a lot of heart ache, and say, “I’m sorry Obama has failed. I think he should step aside for the good of the country.”

  2. “My advice to the President: stop name-calling and start building alliances.”

    Obama is incapable. He lacks the maturity. So do his supporters.

  3. Not to go off topic, but in reference to the honesty of these higher academic institutes of learning and their associated pet projects, consider them busted.

    And liberals still want me to believe that the data for support of the global warming initiative hasn’t been fudged in the same capacity? Liberals want me to suspend to disbelief in so many circumstances, that I can no longer provide much benefit of the doubt….

  4. Rutherford, cut the crap.

    Personally, I’m so done with Obama, I could give a fuck if he’s as elegant as Cicero or as blunt as Mike Tyson.

    It’s 4 trillion dollars, man.

    The unemployment rate sucks.

    His gift to the insurance industry masked as Obama-care pisses me off.

    The debt only grows, ensuring an avoidable collapse the next generation that could possibly trigger World War III.

    Fuck that.

    This president needs to go.

    Dude, you got no defense of the last 4 years except for Obama’s use of Cheney’s intel and Bush’s Caribbean resort. And I give Obama props for that, too. Outside of that, do you not see the utter failure?

  5. My advice to the President: stop name-calling and start building alliances. You’ll need every alliance you can find in 2012.

    I’m afraid this isn’t the problem or solution. The GOP has decided they will not cooperate. It doesn’t matter if he calls everyone a mofo from here on out, it wouldn’t change anything.

    Obama has been “polite” in his name-calling, from what I have heard. At least way more polite that what comes back spoken about him. It gives the opposition a tiny foothold that they do exploit. Then they take a jackhammer to it and build a terrace to crow from. They always milk any minor flaw or foo-pah for whatever it is worth. He gets no slack anymore.

    These guys just want to drive and get Obama out of the driver’s seat. They don’t care about maps or road conditions or vehicle maintenance. Just let them behind the wheel and everything will be just fine. 🙄

  6. Well, well, well. That James O’Keefe is getting a little more professional. He’s still Breitbart’s boy, right? A little more professional in terms of his production. He’s still an arrogant ass. He’s still MANipulating™ his “documentaries.” How did he get out of his last criminal endeavor? Did Breitbart bail out his ass? Too bad. I thought a little time behind bars might wise him up. Alas, not to be.

    I hope he doesn’t try to pull his stunts out here in Arizona. They shoot people out here for being half the ass he’s shown himself to be. Hmmm… maybe he should. Yeah, send him this way. 😀

  7. Oops…

    Several dozen spies working for the CIA in Iran and Lebanon have been caught, ABC News said, citing U.S. officials with connections to the intelligence community.

    The CIA has basically lost its spy network in Lebanon and suffered a major setback in its efforts to infiltrate Iran, all because “of a lack of professionalism in the U.S. intelligence community.” When the agency decided to cryptically refer to its secret meet-up spot as “PIZZA,” Hezbollah double-agents logically inferred that the location may have been a pizza restaurant. And it was!

    Hezbollah kept an eye on a Beirut Pizza Hut, a tactic that – ABC News said – allowed “Hezbollah’s internal security arm [to identify] at least a dozen informants, and the identities of several CIA case officers.”

    Almost at the same time, Iranian counter-intelligence “cracked” a secret internet communication method used by CIA-paid assets in Iran, leading to alleged arrests of at least 30 U.S. and Israeli spies.

    The officials, cited by ABC, admitted that the loss of the two U.S. spy rings in the Middle East represents “a setback of significant proportions in efforts to track the activities of the Iranian nuclear program and the intentions of Hezbollah against Israel.”

    There have been no official comments by the U.S. authorities on the exposure of CIA spy networks in the Middle East.

    http://www.voltairenet.org/CIA-agents-spying-on-Hezbollah-and

  8. The GOP has decided they will not cooperate.

    And that’s a bad thing? 😆 Obama didn’t need one Republican for well over a year, and still was an epic failure at his job. Your appeasing and excusing of this sham is as hollow as your head.

    The putz is accumulating $4.2 BILLION dollars of debt a day, still losing jobs, economic growth is anemic if it exists at all, rammed a mandated healthcare few wanted down our throats, wasted $862 billion dollars in a public flush fund, demonized corporations large and small, placated corrupt unions, offended our allies, created boondoggles like Cash for Clunkers, bowed to our enemies, leads from behind, has bad mouthed America almost as much as you when overseas. And we don’t even want to get into a debate of Obama’s rank hypocrisy, after bad mouthing the Bush policies of war, has actually not only followed suit, but accelerated many of the policies he previously condemned.

    And you want more cooperation? In what? More massive failure? More downgrades, possibly leading to bankruptcy?

    You’re even more of a lackey for bloated, wasteful, fraudulent government than Rutherford, just not capable of carrying as much water.

    Obama has been anything but polite. He’s an arrogant prick and malignant narcissist, and I could provide countless examples of his nasty nature, including conversations he never wanted anyone to hear. There was a time I actually thought him so arrogant, that he had a messianic complex, but decided that was more of his lame following.

    I honestly think you cut Obama slack because you two share a common trait. A hatred of Israel. It’s the same reason you’re a drooling slack jaw over a nut like Ron Paul.

    I know this just sticks in your craw, but nobody, and I mean nobody, schooled Obama boy like Benjamin Netanyahu. Humiliated him to standing ovations in Congress – one of the few bright moments in the most lackluster, pathetic regime in American history.

  9. Poolman, 🙄

    Not only are you a complete phony and brainless hack, but you’re a disingenuous twit to boot. You don’t even make mention of the criminality James O’Keefe just exposed – what a pathetic, weak little boy you are. A Christian that can’t recognize right from wrong? Pffft…a complete lack of character. You don’t even get your 30 pieces of silver. Failure….

    But, I should have grown accustomed to it by now. You’re so consistently wrong, it’s a shock when you do get something right.

    Arizona doesn’t hate people like James O’Keefe. They love him – rebel with a cause. That’s why he remains popular. Frankly, I’m surprised they have deposed of you, though. 😈

  10. “The GOP has decided they will not cooperate.”

    Last I saw it was Democrats who decided they wouldn’t cooperate.

    Rutherford, Obama is never going to forge the alliances needed to get anything done, at this point. He marginalized the GOP his first week in office, and made it perfectly clear that they would not be involved in the decisions of this country. And his party continued that trend for 2 full years. The word cooperation never came out of any democrat’s mouth until Nov. 2010. After it was too late.

    And now his brand name and policies are so toxic, he can’t even rally his own party behind either.

  11. “The GOP has decided they will not cooperate.”

    Last I saw it was Democrats who decided they wouldn’t cooperate.

    MCCONNELL: The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.

    Yeah, that guy is the f*ucking Dalai Lama of DC.

  12. Time to step aside Mr. Obama. You had two full years of super majorities and made things worse – Tex

    He never had a super majority. He never had a fillibuster-proof majority.

  13. “Whether it’s “bitter” in 2008 or “acted stupidly” in 2009 or “lazy” in 2011, Barack has a hard time staying away from negative, damning adjectives. When he does this he comes off judgmental and condescending. He is basically begging his opponents to kick him in the ass either in context or out of context.”

    Rutherford, all politicians use negative, damning adjectives. Did any of them attend kindergarten? Oh wait, we didn’t have kindergarten back then. You are cutting Obama way too much slack.

    The man has no experience as a leader. He probably was a good community organizer. However, you can’t organize a group of politicians/financial entities/foreign powers that don’t want to be organized. He can’t even seem to organize middle America.

    We don’t need an organizer. We need a Leader and Obama is way out of his element as POTUS. Reminds me of the Peter Principal. He needs to take the honorable way out like LBJ did. Although LBJ was probably doing a CYA but at least he looked honorable to the majority of viewers.

    Obama sold you a bottle of snake oil. You wasted your money. Get over it.

  14. He never had a super majority. He never had a fillibuster-proof majority.

    How about a 3/5 majority comprised of 58 Dimocratic Senators and two Independents in the Senate that caucused with the Dimocrats? If you want to be pedantic and define super majority as 2/3, okay – I’ll correct myself.

    But…

    Recheck your 2009 history. Arlen Specter switched parties, and the 60th Senator, Al Franken of Minnesota officially became Senator July 8, 2009 about six months into Obama’s first term.

    By my math 60/100 = 3/5. Therefore, Obama did indeed have the majority required to bring out a vote of cloture to end a filibuster. That sort of ended with the election of Scott Brown.

    But I correct myself on the two full years, as I forget about Kennedy’s special reelection.

    Since Scott Brown has proven almost as lame as Ted Kennedy, I throw him into the Dim mix anyway. I willingly admit, the excuses for Obama’s massive failure have grown so tiring, and the meme it is Bush’s fault disingenuous, that I can’t help myself. It just rolls of the fingers. 😳

    Nonetheless, your cries about “obstruction” ring hollow, Thor. Not going to fly, as you will see next year, unless something changes drastically between now and next November.

    You seem a reasonable enough fellow. I’m surprised you’re a, how does Rabbit say it, a copperheaded shill? for the Dimocratic party. I would think you smart enough to see through the facade of liberalism.

  15. I’m with you Gorilla.

    I actually watched the last hour of that debate last night, and though Paul always has his groupies in attendance clapping and cheering loudly – which is an obvious ploy like this poll pushing crap, both Romney and Gingrich made Ron Paul’s suggestions of minding our own business look absolutely foolish.

    The comment by Gingrich on Timothy McVeigh should have ended Paul’s run. That was a Rick Perry doe in the headlights moment for Ron Paul.

    So foolish, that Ron Paul certainly can’t be taken seriously as a Presidential contender from any sentient being. Therefore, Poolman will be in here cheer leading for Ron Paul today.

    I’m afraid with Ron Paul as President, at least one American city would look like burning ash six months into his administration.

    One admittance. Rick Perry, who I still like as a person and still believe has some of the best ideas, is painful to watch in a national debate. I’m embarrassed out of the blocks, he was my choice. Good guy – bad candidate.

    And one fear. If Ron Paul should choose to run 3rd party, he would then become the worst case scenario of screwing up my bet with Thor. 😡 and Obama would become President. And I sense the crazy, old fart is leaning that way. The 21st century Ross Perot – and equally as crazy.

  16. A quick story…

    US military members were assisting the Columbian military on counter narcotic operations. The Columbians were providing the US servicemen with some jungle training, specifically on survival skills, to include hunting, trapping and game dressing. Well, one of the game being worked with was doves, and the Columbians were attempting to be a little extra humane with the doves, being the symbol of peace, etc. As such, they were covering the nostrils with the thumb and forefinger to suffocate the dove. So, the Columbian asphyxiates a dove, lays it on the table and then moves on to the next and while he is handling the second dove, the first starts to come back to. Without missing a beat, one of the US servicemen- a Marine- grabs the dove and proceeds to bite its head off, laying it back on the table and spitting feathers out of his mouth.

    Some morals to this story:

    1) Symbols rarely effect peace, especially when they just lay there.
    2) Marines don’t do symbols, or peace.

    Semper Fi

  17. “We don’t need an organizer. We need a Leader and Obama is way out of his element as POTUS. Reminds me of the Peter Principal. He needs to take the honorable way out like LBJ did. Although LBJ was probably doing a CYA but at least he looked honorable to the majority of viewers.”

    Take it easy Raji. Give the guy a break. This is first job. 🙄

  18. “By the by, Newt crushed Paul on the Patriot Act question. Absolutely crushed him.”

    Indeed. I heard it on the radio and belly laughed so hard I nearly had to pull over. That’ll leave a mark. And it’s one of the reasons I like Newt even with all of his “baggage.”

  19. More verification and legitimate point, as if it were now needed, that Jimmy Carter was indeed a better President and man than Barack Obama. And that ain’t saying much. The Cult of Obama syndrome:

    “Mr. Carter had served aboard Navy submarines. He ran a peanut plantation. He served one term as Georgia governor—real jobs that produce real effects. Mr. Carter saw himself in some realistic relation to the world. . . . Mr. Obama’s career has been one in which the main effect has been the impression he leaves on audiences—the main effect has been himself. Familiarity with his country—or any other country—would be helpful at this point, if only to counterweight his mesmerization with the arc of his personal story.”

  20. “I’m sorry Obama has failed. I think he should step aside for the good of the country.”

    When you study the Presidency, you meet a rich collection of people. Some of them started the job able to fill the shoes, and do so with a humility and dignity that are as good a point of pride as any we could hope for. Some fall short of the mark because they simply do not possess the traits we needed as a nation at that time, and some have such a fierce understanding of who we are as a nation that they will do what is best for the country without regard to the personal cost.

    Barry is not one of those guys. Pick a speech, any speech. The plethora of “me”s and “I”s tell you all you need to know about him. It is, and has always been about him, and every guru in the world could tell him “You know, we could get you a nice beachfront estate in Hawaii, and you could still have the fawning adoration of some”, and he still wouldn’t step aside. He will always be a size 2 foot in a size 9 shoe.

  21. “Recheck your 2009 history. Arlen Specter switched parties, and the 60th Senator, Al Franken of Minnesota officially became Senator July 8, 2009 about six months into Obama’s first term.” – Tex

    By the time Franken was sworn in, the stimulus had already been watered down, single payer was off the table and the public option was soon to be gone as well. Through this whole process, Lieberman played both sides. He’s no Democrat. That’s why they primaried his ass. And that’s why the Affordable Health Care Act had to passed through reconciliation. I forgot about Specter though, (What a douche) Point well taken.

  22. I haven’t heard the debate. I guess I’ll have to watch clips of it on line. But a google of it this morning shows that most think RP owned the debate. Others give it 3 winners, Romney, Newt, and Paul. If this link is accurate regarding what Newt and Paul had to say regarding the Patriot Act, I’ll stick with Ron Paul’s consistent stand, rather than Newt’s present pandering.

    Regarding warmongering chicken hawks and other slimy amphibian types… you do recall that Newt Cheneyed the draft? It might be good for this generation to review his closet. It’s not very pretty.

  23. I would think you smart enough to see through the facade of liberalism. – Tex

    Funny, I’ve always considered myself relatively moderate. Pretty down the middle. Of course, you probably see yourself the same way. 😉

  24. RE: #15

    Where are Obama’s bills stalling these days? In the GOP-controlled House, or the Democrat-controlled Senate?

    “He never had a super majority. He never had a fillibuster-proof majority.”

    You don’t know what the fuck you are talking about.

    Scott Brown became the 41st GOP senator in Feb 2010. Obama took Office Jan 2009.

    Democrats enjoyed a supermajority for a full year until that seat was taken by a RINO of the calibre of Snowe and Collins.

    Besides, who cares about a supermajority?

  25. R, In case I don’t make it back ’till after the weekend, let me be first to say, thank you for being a gracious host.

    “What are you thankful for little Thor?”

    “I’m thankfull for chocolate and hoops and boobies and … The Rutherford Lawson Blog!” 🙂

  26. 😆 I wasn’t going to go there, but glad you did.
    Sometimes obvious ISN’T. But going by the account, I’m guessing a little Ozzy Osbourne influence.

  27. Barry is not one of those guys. Pick a speech, any speech. The plethora of “me”s and “I”s tell you all you need to know about him.

    Are you claiming Obama writes his own speeches? I know he did not during the campaign. I’ll have to compare the “me”s and “I”s from previous presidents. Just listening to the GOP debates I’m picking up a plethora of the very same references. Hmmm… I’m starting to see a pattern. 🙄

  28. “Just listening to the GOP debates I’m picking up a plethora of the very same references.”

    Hmmmm. Campaign versus state of the union, assassination of OBL, or anything else he’d consider an “accomplishment.” Did you get dropped on your head as a child?

    Imagine that. Someone campaigning for office using the terms “I” or “me.” 🙄

  29. The gamble now is to see if order can be maintained long enough to get us to the 2012 elections, or if martial law will ensue. — Poolman
    This is from the previous thread but I wanted to address it. Poolman, for the most part I agree with much in the comment that contained this closing salvo. I don’t believe we will see martial law. But as for the rest of your comment I do think Obama didn’t count on the environment in which he found himself. Washington D.C cannot be tamed by a community organizer. This is the big leagues and the power brokers are too many for one man to change things.

  30. First of all, James O’Keefe is sorely needing an ass-whupping. How he hasn’t gotten one yet is beyond me. He is a trouble-making punk.

    But now to the meat of Tex’s video. The only thing distasteful is the notion of the Professor getting paid directly for his findings. That’s not cool. However, there is a big difference between warning the person who commissioned research that the data will not bear out their desired conclusion and actually ALTERING that data to bear out the desired conclusion. Baker was clear in saying he would not be altering data.

    So the only thing unseemly in this whole thing is Baker personally accepting money for this research instead of doing it under the auspices of Rutgers.

    As an aside … so Baker makes six figures. So what? How much does the Rutgers football coach make? 😕

  31. When the agency decided to cryptically refer to its secret meet-up spot as “PIZZA,” Hezbollah double-agents logically inferred that the location may have been a pizza restaurant. And it was!

    ROTFLMAO I knew there was a reason we shouldn’t nominate Herman Cain!

  32. You would take pleasure in that you fucking asshole.

    Why the rancor, Tigre? Wouldn’t you expect our “intelligence” to do a better f*cking job hiding where they would be meeting? You either have to laugh at it or cry about it. Certainly nothing to be proud of.

  33. You are cutting Obama way too much slack.

    Huh? How am I cutting him slack by pointing out that he doesn’t observe basic rhetorical methods most of us were taught when we were five years old?

  34. “Why the rancor, Tigre?”

    It’s Poolman R. To him it’s a victory. But I know you don’t get that or why it bothers me.

  35. By the by, Newt crushed Paul on the Patriot Act question. Absolutely crushed him.

    I must admit when Newt said the objective is to stop McVeigh, not react afterwards, I had to give it to him. Aim, shoot, nothing but net, the crowd roars.

    But G, Newt’s completely unexpected show of compassion for long term illegal immigrants will probably sink his campaign. Then again, he’ll just change his mind in a day or so. 😉

  36. Regarding Obama’s supermajority or lack thereof, let’s not forget the dumbass bluedog Dem’s who worked against Obama’s interests. This is what separates Obama from LBJ. He had no ability to work the Hill. No one there fears him.

  37. And I sense the crazy, old fart is leaning that way.

    I think your spidey sense is off on this one Tex. Paul has said he won’t run independent. And I don’t see Paul as the Ralph Nader-like spoiler. He wants Obama out more than he wants to be POTUS.

    Still, putting aside that one losing volley with Gingrich, I still love Ron Paul at least in the debate arena and I fully understand Poolman’s tendencies. The only vote for change is a vote for Paul. A vote for Romney is “meet the new boss, same as the old boss”. And then Tex and his ilk will “get fooled again”. 😆

    On Israel and Iran Paul is dead-on. What are we talking about here? Israel is a f*cking nuclear country that has been allowed to hide her nuclear capability. I’m with Paul. Let’s mind our own f*cking business for a change and rebuild our country. (The compromise solution between Paul and the rest of the pack is Huntsman who at least believes our biggest national security vulnerability is our own failing economy.)

  38. By the time Franken was sworn in, the stimulus had already been watered down

    WTH? Watered down? It cost as damn near a trillion dollars and amounted to zippo. What would the grand prize have looked like? I believe concerning that one, Obama got everything he wanted.

    single payer was off the table and the public option was soon to be gone as well.

    I’ve always wanted to ask a liberal this question. If Obamacare, as unpopular as it is now which in large part played the dramatic rout in the 2010 elections, had managed to approve and eventually implemented single payer, truly socialized medicine, is it possible we could have recalled Obama by now?

    But I enjoy the conversation for the most part, Thor. You and your boys (and I guess wife) had a Happy Thanksgiving, hopefully giving thanks where it due.

    Like I said, other than the teabagger garbage, you seem a pretty reasonable guy. But no, I don’t consider myself middle of the road in the least. Middle of the road is what put us in this predicament. I’m a radical right-wing, fundie, extremist jackboot – getting even more extremist as I get older. And Rutherford is such a hard core lib, one day we will come full circle and meet.

  39. Besides your own personal Jew hating Rutherford and absolute naivety about anything of importance, you have one incredibly other poor habit. Truly Poolman like, minus the gullibility:

    Poorly read.

    Get off the couch, turn off Barney and return unto the natural world.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/67734.html

    Funny, you hate on Israel, who provides us far more than they cost us in intelligence alone. You’re too poorly and scientifically read to realize this, I know. But…

    $15 billion for primitive Africa in the Bush Adm. alone, while you were stabbing the man in the back every step of the way, and which from a practical and strategic standpoint is absolutely useless?

    GOOOOOD! GOOOOD!

    🙂

  40. Rutherford,

    Would you be completely stunned to know that Hitler here agrees with Newt Gingrich concerning the immigration issue?

    I know I’m heartless and all, and I truly hate to remove that label for the sake of reputation, but….

    Newt is right.

  41. Semper Fi is not a symbol, it is a creed that they live by, demonstrated every single day. If you want to make nice, call the Air Force. If you want unmitigated victory, call the Marines.

    I’ve never once seen a dove deliver peace, unless of course you mean peace of mind, in which case is what I get every time I see one… through my shotgun sights…

  42. 😆 I had forgot you had mentioned Thor your humanitarian wife. After reading my comment, that didn’t come out quite the way I wanted it to. Happy Thanksgiving – your wife included. 🙂

  43. You know Gorilla, knowing what I know now, and now being way too old to do anything about it, if I had it to do over again…

    …I think I would have liked to have been a marine, and might have chosen that as a career path. There’s a code of honor there that I haven’t been able to find.

  44. Fucking jar heads. Bunch of uncoordinated 3rd string football players and Samoan goons. Easy fodder in bar fights.

    Man can they kick some ass in the field though. God bless them.

  45. The only thing distasteful is the notion of the Professor getting paid directly for his findings. That’s not cool. However, there is a big difference between warning the person who commissioned research that the data will not bear out their desired conclusion and actually ALTERING that data to bear out the desired conclusion. Baker was clear in saying he would not be altering data.

    I swear. If I wasn’t a Christian, this would be a place for a G.D. You missed the entire crux of the video and the sin. I could care less if the professor is paid outside of college – that’s called consulting.

    What he said that was so egregious was that he wouldn’t publish if it contradicted his own findings. Preconceived results, looking for data to verify. Dishonest as hell. 🙄

    Man, you guys really don’t get it.

  46. Regarding the “I’s” and “Me’s” of Obama …. the only ones who bother to count how many times someone says I and me are those intent on disliking the person in the first place.

  47. I swear. If I wasn’t a Christian, this would be a place for a G.D.

    😆 Priceless!

    I recall my dad yelling, “Jesus Christ!” when I showed up holding my arm with a protruding dislocated elbow at fourteen. Those driveway basketball games often got physical. 😀

  48. had managed to approve and eventually implemented single payer, truly socialized medicine

    This turn of phrase always amuses me. No matter how many times it gets revisited you guys just can’t get it through your head.

    No one was/is advocating government run health care. What was advocated was government run health insurance. Why is that so friggin hard to grok? It’s about one PAYER with a consistent set of standards (like no preconditions causing refusal) with an efficiency borne of economies of scale, lowering prices for all consumers.

    The notion of your doctor working for the government was always a scare tactic. Let it go.

  49. Tex, regarding Ron Paul … there’s a 50% chance he’s giving himself a rhetorical back door so he can declare a third party run. There’s also a 50% chance that the media simply can’t accept that no means no, no matter how wordy the “no” is.

    I ask you, how many times did Chris Christie say no before he finally said …. NO.

    This much is true … IF Paul does run third party, Obama gets a second term. Paul may be able to drum up even more support than Ross Perot did back in the day.

  50. Oh …. sorry I missed part of Tex’s comment.

    I am no Jew hater. It is sickening to me that a person cannot question Israel without being labeled Jew hater. It’s BS. I think Afghanistan is a total train wreck and that doesn’t make me an Islamophobe.

    And what does “$15 billion for primitive Africa in the Bush Adm. alone, while you were stabbing the man in the back every step of the way, and which from a practical and strategic standpoint is absolutely useless?
    ” have to do with Israel? One of Bush’s greatest accomplishments was his support of African nations.

    P.S. The support of Israel by fundamentalist Christians has an ulterior motive so they can shove that faux support right up their ass as far as I’m concerned. The day they say Jews go to heaven, I’ll believe in their “support”. 👿

  51. I’ve never once seen a dove deliver peace

    Since we’re talking symbols, if I’m not mistaken the bald eagle is one of the nastiest mofo’s in the bird kingdom. A scavenger with a mean streak.

  52. I think I would have liked to have been a marine

    Tex, with all due respect, the Marines would have chewed up and spat out your punk ass half way through basic training. You have a gifted, tough-as-nails mind but I can’t see you being a physical hard-ass. 😉

    Besides … as much as you like to avoid it, you’ve got a heart. You don’t have the killer instinct in you. You would have spent your duty trying to get laid like Rabbit. 😯

  53. I ask you, how many times did Chris Christie say no before he finally said …. NO

    I don’t know. How many times did Charlie Cristt say “No” before saying “Yes” and running as independent?

  54. What he said that was so egregious was that he wouldn’t publish if it contradicted his own findings. Preconceived results, looking for data to verify. Dishonest as hell.

    I’d venture to guess that at least 50% of all research is done to confirm a preconceived conclusion. I don’t find that the least bit immoral. The immorality kicks in when the findings don’t match the conclusion and you then change the findings.

    I will grant you that true intellectual integrity would entail publishing your preconceived conclusion and then admitting the data DOESN’T support it. But how many of us in any walk of life are willing to publicly fall on our own sword like that?

  55. Tex, with all due respect, the Marines would have chewed up and spat out your punk ass half way through basic training. You have a gifted, tough-as-nails mind but I can’t see you being a physical hard-ass

    Um… How do I answer this bogus charge? On one hand, I don’t want to come across as cocky. On the other hand, I can’t let some she man from the left call me punk ass and let it go unanswered, because that would be like Bill Maher calling me a pussy and not breaking his bulbous nose.

    I wrestled two of the best American wrestlers of all time and held my own as some neophyte wrestler, but at eighteen, I wasn’t tough enough to cut basic training in the marines “with normal folk”? I was awarded a collegiate athletic scholarship. And here’s my favorite, which always makes people giggle, including me. I was my high school arm wrestling champion – all weight classes. Big high school too. 🙂 Haven’t done it in years – so I don’t know if I’m capable now.

    Now, I recognize that doesn’t demonstrate great heroism or bravery, and I could still qualify me as some pussy, but…

    I’ll bet the physical capability would have gotten me through “basic” training even if I were a pussy, and I am absolutely positive one thing I was not – a punk ass; at least my definition of punk ass. A juvenile delinquent, a bad egg, a hood, a mouth, a bully….all maybe. But not a punk ass.

    They might have kicked me out for my anti-authoritarian streak, which to this day, is still a fault.

    If by chance we should meet up, I will happily physically demonstrate to you as much and see if I can’t change your mind about your conclusion. And enjoy doing so. I’ll practice up on the wrestling holds, and maybe turn you loose only when you pass out or turn blue. I should warn you. CPR ain’t my thing.

    Will that suffice as proof you’re wrong?

  56. A common character flaw is not being able to see reality and honestly critique it. Call it “look[ing] hard enough to see what you want to, rather than actually understanding what you see.”

    Our uniquely massive support for Israel has cost trillions of dollars and multitudes of lives. It has diminished our moral standing in the world, lessened our domestic freedoms, and exposed us to unnecessary and growing peril.

    The majority of Americans – as well as our diplomatic and military experts – oppose this unique relationship. Yet, the lobby for Israel continues to foment policies that are disastrous for our nation and tragic for the region.

    http://www.councilforthenationalinterest.org/costs

  57. If by chance we should meet up, I will happily physically demonstrate to you as much and see if I can’t change your mind about your conclusion.

    LOL beating my punk-ass would prove absolutely nothing. 🙂 But thanks for taking my jibe good-naturedly. I wasn’t sure how you’d react.

    Arm wrestling champ heh? Never knew that was an extracurricular in high school. I went to college with two wrestlers, one who went overseas for the Deaf Olympics. I’m not sure if he could have qualified for the “real” Olympics but damn he was good. It was always amusing the games they would play with their weight. Slim down for weigh-in and then bulk up right afterwards by eating like a horse. Did you play those weight games too? I had to laugh because the only exposure I’d ever gotten to “wrestling” was the bogus crap on TV so when they told me they were wrestlers I scoffed. Little did I know it’s a legit sport at the college level.

    P.S. They also bragged about the keg parties they planned to throw just to scare me cos they knew on sight what a pussy I was. Turns out they were as socially moderate as I was. 🙂

  58. Poolman the more I think about it the more I find Israel the skinny runt of a kid who when you cross him turns out to be a lean mean fighting machine to everyone’s surprise.

    Why we still treat Israel like the little runt who needs our help is odd and odder why they would want to play that role. I’m no expert but I’m guessing Israel is financially and militarily either on par with us or ahead of us.

    So perhaps this begs the question … do we need Israel more than Israel needs us?

    By the way, since you’re a Ron Paul fan, my fav moment last night was when Mitt Romney was talking about the errors of cutting defense spending and Paul responded “Nobody’s cutting anything. It’s all just talk.” LOL abso-f*cking-lutely!!!! We spend and spend and pretend we’re serious about the budget.

    Hawk GOPhers are already trying to figure out how to kill the sequestration that is supposed to be the consequence of the failed Super Committee.

  59. I should take this moment to eat serious crow. Michele Bachmann put in an admirable performance last night. She seemed to know her stuff, didn’t say anything outright stupid and in particular put Rick Perry in his place.

    On the flipside, poor Rick Santorum (aka Rick Frothy-Ass-Juice) thinks Africa is a country. 😦

  60. Rutherford, 😆

    I wasn’t sure how you would take that either. I was teasing about the choke hold and thinking you probably would get a laugh. But trust me – in a younger day, I could have handled basic training. Liking it or tolerating it would be another story.

    Wrestling is a huge amateur sport – and the absolute toughest sport I ever participated. I wanted no part of the cauliflower ear, and was only doing it because I was almost forced to. One other thing I discovered about wrestlers – their the craziest, toughest people on earth – and that is no joke.

    —————

    Can I demonstrate to you how bogus Poolman’s links are? Whether you’re a supporter or not? You’re a math major. Get this…from his article:

    First sentence: Our uniquely massive support for Israel has cost trillions of dollars and multitudes of lives.

    One paragraph down: American taxpayers give Israel over $8 million per day

    A calculation gives the following result for just a trillion:

    $1,000,000,000,000 / $8,000,000 per day ≈ 342.5 years 🙄

    And that’s the singular trillion. The lying propaganda continues to escalate by the day.

    One thing is easy. Anything Poolman posts that includes some number? Bogus.

  61. While I’m on Bachmann …. when Jimmy Fallon played word association with her, her reaction to Palin was “gorgeous”. Mmmmm, notice not smart, not savvy, not effective. Basically “If I were a lesbo I’d f*ck her.”

    LOL Looks like Rich Lowry really nailed it a few years ago when he allowed everyone to see his erection over Palin. 😉

    You can see the word association thing here: http://www.latenightwithjimmyfallon.com/video/Michele-Bachmann,-Part-2-(11/21/11)/1369881

    While searching for it, I discovered that Late Night did a nasty by playing “Lyin’ Ass B*tch” as she came out on stage. She had no idea what song it was but lots of people did. And yes gentlemen I will say here and now:

    NOT COOL

  62. Rutherford, about Bachmann. I have a simpler question.

    Why do Conservative women continue to lend their presence to these places, when they know they are going to be treated poorly and ridiculed?

    Bachmann hasn’t learned the lesson, not all publicity is good publicity.

    I expect the poor behavior from liberals – especially Obama liberals. But Bachmann was incredibly stupid to go on the air with those goons.

  63. “Tex, with all due respect, the Marines would have chewed up and spat out your punk ass half way through basic training”

    Bull shit. A wrestler has more then enough physical fortitude to make it though any of the branches.

    Honestly, the military does a pretty good job of making sure most people make it though boot-camp, even the Marines. They weed out the complete pussies and most of the clinically insane. That’s about it.

    It’s mostly mental. And, even that would be easier the older you are. I remember the guys in bootcamp who were in their late 20’s or early 30’s having this shit eating grin the whole time. Now I know why.

    At 17, I was scared to death when I started bootcamp.

    If I was a betting man….oh wait a minute, I am a betting man. I would bet Tex could make it though Marine boot-camp today.

  64. One thing is easy. Anything Poolman posts that includes some number? Bogus.

    Once again that spotty comprehension catches you with your pajamas around your ankles. 🙄 You might ought to try some onesies to keep it all together.

    The premise is that Israel is responsible for us going to war with Iraq among others, so those expenses fall in their court. Like if I took you to dinner and put it on my credit card. I didn’t give you the money, but I still spent it on you.

  65. I have a hard time taking orders, especially if they seem stupid. I don’t think Tex could take someone telling him what to do and how to do it for an hour let alone through boot camp. 😀

  66. Once again that spotty comprehension catches you with your pajamas around your ankles. 🙄 You might ought to try some onesies to keep it all together.

    The premise is that Israel is responsible for us going to war with Iraq among others, so those expenses fall in their court.

    😆 You don’t even have the good sense to leave well enough alone, or slither away. I’m watching Gone with the Wind. Poolman, you remind me of Prissy.

    Poolman: Lawzy, we gots to have a doctor. I don’t know nothin’ ’bout birthin’ babies.

    Hey Stooge. Not only did I “comprehend”, I just showed from the first two paragraphs, this is clearly a hack job by a mathematical flunky like you. Your entire article based on a lie from the first paragraph. Why don’t we just attribute the entire U.S. deficit to Israel? And Saddam shooting missiles at our planes? Better attribute those to Israel? And the Gulf War caused by Israel? And Jersey Shore? And disco? And your spotty tax filing, all attributable to Israel?

    As a curiosity, do you link to these through that abortion V.T.? Or do you have to search this trash out, Prissy?

  67. Yes, a bit of unrest in Syria. Part of the plan…

    The Atlantic, in 2008, and the U.S. military’s Armed Forces Journal, in 2006, both published widely circulated maps that closely followed the outline of the Yinon Plan. Aside from a divided Iraq, which the Biden Plan also calls for, the Yinon Plan calls for a divided Lebanon, Egypt, and Syria. The partitioning of Iran, Turkey, Somalia, and Pakistan also all fall into line with these views. The Yinon Plan also calls for dissolution in North Africa and forecasts it as starting from Egypt and then spilling over into Sudan, Libya, and the rest of the region.

    Although tweaked, the Yinon Plan is in motion and coming to life under the “Clean Break.” This is through a policy document written in 1996 by Richard Perle and the Study Group on “A New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000” for Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel at the time.

    The document also mentions something that resembles what is currently going on in Syria. It states: “Most important, it is understandable that Israel has an interest in supporting diplomatically, militarily and operationally Turkey’s and Jordan’s actions against Syria, such as securing tribal alliances with Arab tribes that cross into Syrian territory and are hostile to the Syrian ruling elite.” [6] With the 2011 upheaval in Syria, the movement of insurgents and the smuggling of weapons through the Jordanian and Turkish borders has become a major problem for Damascus.

    http://www.voltairenet.org/Targeting-of-Christian-Syrians-and

  68. “Take it easy Raji. Give the guy a break. This is first job.”

    El Tigre
    You have a kind heart 😉

    Huh? How am I cutting him slack by pointing out that he doesn’t observe basic rhetorical methods most of us were taught when we were five years old?

    Rutherford, you too have a kind heart if that’s as harsh as you can be 😉

    Must be the season

    Happy Thanksgiving to all

  69. I hope everyone has a great Thanksgiving.

    There is an abundance to be thankful for.

    Give credit where credit is due.

    Stay warm and safe.

  70. Why’s that? Afraid you might birth a clue?

    ❗ Prissy, at your birth, it is rumored they had to give your mother a clue to exactly what she was viewing when laid upon her chest. It resembled after birth, but farted and flew out the window.

    Happy Thanksgiving Poolman.

  71. Regarding the “I’s” and “Me’s” of Obama …. the only ones who bother to count how many times someone says I and me are those intent on disliking the person in the first place.

    Actually, it is so blatant that the only way I could not notice is if I was in the tank for him. Taken in context with everything else he says, it is either part of his “reinforcement of ME” or “Who can I blame for this?” complex.

  72. This turn of phrase always amuses me. No matter how many times it gets revisited you guys just can’t get it through your head.

    No one was/is advocating government run health care. What was advocated was government run health insurance. Why is that so friggin hard to grok? It’s about one PAYER with a consistent set of standards (like no preconditions causing refusal) with an efficiency borne of economies of scale, lowering prices for all consumers.

    The notion of your doctor working for the government was always a scare tactic. Let it go.

    Rutherford, this is another example of you not completing the thought.

    Your dream health insurance has manditory participation as a feature. It “controls costs” by letting a government panel decide what the insurance will pay for, and how much it will pay. As a practical matter, there will not be any other insurance available, and the funds that were available to individuals to make their own care decisions with are now being paid to Uncle. Doctors are now having the care they would provide and the rates they charge being set by the government, so yeah, the government is de facto running healthcare.

    And doctors KNOW it, which is another reason why “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.” was blatant bullshit. MY doctor already sold out his practice to one of the local conglomerates and went into practice in the military, where, ironically, there will be fewer restrictions on how he practices medicine.

  73. So this shot girl just sat down at my table acting very strange and giving me all these trinkets and tee-shirts.

    Asshole brothers told her I was retarded, which, I’m told, I reinforced perfectly rocking back and forth sitting alone in the bar reading the Rutherford Lawson blog on my Blackberry.

    Dead Rabbit reporting from the outskirts of western suburban Detroit on the biggest bar night of the year.

  74. BiW, these restrictions don’t exist currently? Why do you think so many are fed up with the current system? Private insurance companies already call the shots on what gets paid for and what does not. But they go the extra mile of telling the chronically sick, sorry buster, no insurance for you.

    Reform is needed. More folks need to be insured. Period. You find a way to do that, that doesn’t prick your government-overreach-paranoia and I’m with you 100%.

  75. LOL Rabbit …. now if only she had actually seen what you were reading! Then she would have known not only are you not retarded but you are contributing to one of the most intellectual think-tanks on the Net. 😉

    This will be the first Thanksgiving in years not shared with my Dad (who is in Connecticut). Still there is much for which to be thankful … like being able to afford the roof over my head.

    Happy Thanksgiving Rabbit …and the same to all you other gentlemen and ladies.

    Gobble gobble.

  76. I’m not bathing until Newt Gingrich is gone!

    I wasn’t aware you were hiring? 🙂

    But if you’re for real, after a week or two, you need to work yourself down to the Chicago OWS gig and join the troops. They haven’t bathed since Obama was inaugurated.

    Happy Thanksgiving “R” to you and yours. Today has been a great day for me. I hadn’t seen my oldest since her white coat ceremony, and we had a great time, until she dumped me to go to the movie with her sister. Unfortunately, we part ways tomorrow. She’s in a wedding. 😦 Can you believe somebody chooses to get married over Thanksgiving weekend? There ought to be a law.

    My wife ran me out of the kitchen this afternoon, and I guess I really ought to get myself to be to “reacquaint”, likely to be run out of the bedroom too.

    Night all.

  77. Asshole brothers told her I was retarded, which, I’m told, I reinforced perfectly rocking back and forth sitting alone in the bar reading the Rutherford Lawson blog on my Blackberry.

    LOL! That was funny. I’ll bet holidays are a hoot around the Rabbit Klan.

  78. Boys, if you want to really have your eyes opened about what is happening at the Treasury and the Fed, get Rickards’ book, Currency Wars. I won’t go into this guy’s credentials, but suffice it to say he HAS THEM, understands exactly what is going on in the Obama admin and has exposed it beautifully. A little dense reading, but when you are done the curtains will rise.

    I had thought Obama, Bernanke, Geithner were just idiots playing in a sandbox over their heads. Oh, no. They know exactly what they are doing. Bernanke and Paul Krugman are asshole buddies from way back and co-authored several papers that inform their prejudices.

    Theirs is a deliberate plan to debase the currency. Much of it is based on a belief in Keynes’ theory of “multipliers” – which says that if the government spends money (of course since it HAS no money, it must borrow or tax to get that money to spend), there is a multiplier effect – which is to say each dollar spent multiplies as it is spent and re-spent down the road.

    Unfortunately it has been shown conclusively by multiple recent studies that, yes, there is a multiplier but it is ALWAYS LESS THAN ONE, which means that every dollar the govt spends is a net loss to the economy as a whole, which is of course what we are seeing. These deliberately inflationary policies favor those who are highly leveraged and punish the savers and prudent citizens by effectively transferring any money they have saved to the spendthrift government.

    It has been known for millennia that the best way to destroy a country is to destroy its currency, since all economic activity stops when the currency is no good.

    We are well and truly intercoursed. No doubt about it. The big question is what we as individuals can do to stop the madness and to take care of our own families until this rabiesvirus runs its course. I’m working on a plan night and day but don’t see a clear way out of this mess. Unfortunately tim is running out. Bastards.

  79. Only have a few minutes, but I read through Pfesser’s book review and have read much the same elsewhere, including Peter Schiff, who was laughed at when he predicted the real estate bubble some years back, only to be ridiculed by the “experts.” He is not ridiculed anymore.

    I did not know the personal relationship between Bernacke and Krugman, which only reinforces in my mind how wrong the path we are currently taking is. Paul Krugman is lionized by the media because he is politically liberal, but his historical accuracy of economic prediction is at best only average.

    Since many of you liberals won’t listen to me, perhaps you will listen to Pfesser’s account of what could happen to our currency, and is most likely to happen. Like you, Pfesser voted for Obama. There is no personal bias in that critique. I hope you paid particular note to this paragraph:

    Unfortunately it has been shown conclusively by multiple recent studies that, yes, there is a multiplier but it is ALWAYS LESS THAN ONE

    If the last three years have taught you guys from the left anything, I hope it has at least demonstrated to you why guys like me, through all the bluster and needling I’ve done, believe that government is not an effective means of solving our nation’s problems and have good reason in coming to that conclusion.

    My personal conclusions are based on a simple concept: Private enterprise, for all of the recent problems including insatiable greed, is still the only proven way to create real net worth through growth. Government reapportions and redistributes – and by definition, it consumes. It does not create wealth. It may on occasion efficiently assist in research and new findings beyond the scope and risk of free enterprise, but government is not the mechanism for creating jobs. Government is a necessary to regulate and oversee – but too much regulation stymies growth.

    And this in large part explains why I am so adamantly opposed to government playing a larger part of administering our health care. Try as it might, government can not effectively facilitate health care. This is not my opinion. It is the historical fact.

    I do believe government has a role in society. National protection, a safety net of a sort to the poor and disabled, a mediator between states when necessary, the establishment of laws, and an overseer. But I believe even more strongly that the growth of our government is also our most pressing problem, even assisting in the creation of the very problems we then ask it to solve.

    Hope each of you, even my usual targets, have a safe and Happy Thanksgiving. Blessings to you and yours in the Holiday Season.

  80. Tim may be running out too.

    If Tim Geithner was running out, it might be good. 😀 Although they say he is the only one up there with a conscience, though I’m not certain if “they” can honestly detect one. I am not certain what tests or devices are used to verify those things. I guess that “conscience” was still too weak to keep him from filing income taxes for several years, until he was forced to. For these high profile guys to be so blatantly non-compliant is an obviously testimony to the level of tolerance of corruption in these upper circles of our government. It seems we have a whole class of folks that operate above the laws they are tasked to know and enforce upon others. The rules don’t apply to the rule makers. We’ve seen plenty of that in our “democracy”. True injustice from the top down.

    I think thes Fed is the biggest and longest running “legal” scam we’ve got.

    Supposedly there are communities using their own currencies. As of yet, I haven’t found out more than that. I read that up to a hundred different “currencies” are being used throughout the US. That should certainly cause pause for some. I can see vast communities using their own forms of currency to bypass the federal scam.

    My eldest daughter, who is in banking, tells me they are really trying to get rid of the paper currency because of the major cost of printing. Most transactions anymore are electronic, so paper is not needed there. I think that is the main reason we still have an up and functioning internet. Commerce depends so much on it. Thank God!

    Of course we wouldn’t have such a well-functioning internet if it wasn’t for the porn industry. If there is good that has come from that, the internet is it. I have to give credit where credit is due. If it wasn’t for porn, well this old thing would still be a royal pain to navigate. So, thank God for porn. At least it evidences how He can take something meant for evil and use it for good.

    It has been a long time since we’ve seen how inventive Americans can be when pressured and forced to act. Or if the desire ios high enough. Short of another “Pearl Harbor-like” attack, the government will have a difficult time uniting us behind its colonial ways. I don’t put them above acting in their own persevering self-interests, as history has borne out.

    There has been talk of a nuclear attack on an entire city here in the US. Some have prophesied it, others have predicted it based on the loose and unaccounted nukes out there, others have warned of it based on their intelligence gathering. Most predicted it would happen before this year is out. Some are talking next spring. I’m just keeping my eyes and ears open. I would hope they are wrong, but would not be surprised.

    Either way, these doomsday scenerios keep us spending more and more for “defense”, even as our very actions have made us much less defensible. I think our foreign policy has made us much less safer than we were 10 years ago. And a lot poorer, too.

    Now we have Russia and China ready to step in where our incompetence has left us expendable and vulnerable. The playground bully doesn’t win at the end of the day, and that is who we have been. Morally, we knew that, but as usual, ignored it because, well, rules don’t apply to us. We’re America. We make the rules and enforce them on others.

    We’ve lost our way, people. And we got to get ourselves back to the garden.

  81. “No one was/is advocating government run health care. What was advocated was government run health insurance.” 🙄

    A near meaningless distinction. 😆

    Did that come from MSNBC? You can do better than that R. When the government runs a forced system that controls the practice, how services are paid for and delivered that IS government run health care.

  82. Poolman I beg to differ on one point. The adult industry has been savvy at taking advantage of every new medium (see video tape rentals) but both video rental and the Internet would have done fine minus porn. I think you’ve confused cause and effect.

  83. Oh, Happy T-Day!

    Except you Poolman. Happy Thursday.

    (I assume you don’t celebrate Thanksgiving. . . or have anything you’re thankful for).

  84. I think you’ve confused cause and effect.

    I think you’ve ignored motivation ($ex).

    Tigre, I DO celebrate Thanksgiving in the traditional sense with family and friends, sometimes even football. 😯 In three hours, I load up the turkey and homemade blueberry/blackberry/cranberry sauce, I drive 20 minutes and I’m “at” Thanksgiving. :

    But more so it is a daily celebration, so your “Happy Thursday” is cool. I am thankful for every experience, though through some of them I grimace. 🙂 But hey, part of being human means experiencing the asshole effect. It just makes me appreciate the more appealing aspects all the more. So yeah, thank God for assholes. 😉

  85. Poolman –

    Love, love, love CSNY’s version of Woodstock. I’m sure you know it was written by Joni Mitchell. I have both versions on vinyl; aside from my Patsy Cline they are my prized possessions. My roomies and I prolly smoked 100 bowls listening to that song – and “Behind Blue Eyes,” of course.

    I started going to AdultDex (Internext) Adult Webmasters’ Conference around 1998. It is absolutely amazing the innovations the adult Webmasters brought to the Internet. I worked for a company that produced adult novellas, but wanted to get away from print media; I worked with a company called QuickStore to develop the ability to direct a user from QuickStore’s payment software to a secret file location in order to download the novellas. We were the first to do it. Boy was that primitive by today’s standards, but it was a new innovation then!

    It’s been a beautiful day here in Virginia. I took my wife and kids out for Thanksgiving dinner; it’s the first time she hasn’t prepared a big meal in years. We spent the afternoon watching the Packers/Lions game, wearing our cheese-heads the whole time. Helped my older son with some college algebra; he’s back on his way to school now; I miss him already. I’m working the holiday, so I am back at my desk with 40 more studies to read before I go home, so back to work, slave!!

    Happy Thanksgiving to all.

  86. I loved Ndamukong Suh in college, thought him the best college tackle I had ever seen while at Nebraska. Literally a man amongst the boys, so good we could actually dominate a college football game from the defensive tackle position.

    Suh was an all star his first year in the NFL, and not your typical dumb jock – believe he was a successful engineering major too. I understand he is a great guy off the field, and a very generous athlete to both university and community.

    But good grief, he’s out of control this year. You guys see that stomp of the Green Bay lineman? WTH?

  87. Back from eating too much, again. I hope everyone enjoyed themselves and didn’t overdo.

    My roomies and I prolly smoked 100 bowls listening to that song – and “Behind Blue Eyes,” of course.

    After smoking pot with friends for about a month, I remember the very first time I actually got off on it. We had skipped school and were sitting on the couch at one of my friend’s house jamming to CSNY 4-Way Street. Her mom got off work and came home and into the room and said how she was glad we were all such good kids compared to others she’d heard of that would just sit around and do drugs all the time.

    I started laughing my ass off and couldn’t stop. Tears were rolling down my face and my cheeks began to hurt from laughing so hard. It got the rest of them going and it was crazy. That’s how the whole rest of the evening went. We couldn’t keep a straight face.

    I don’t think her mom was too sure about us after that. 😐

  88. It’s after midnight and what do I hear coming out of my bedroom? Christmas music. I don’t want to be a Scrooge but damn … why does it have to start when Thanksgiving isn’t even a memory yet?

    BTW, just to clarify, I get about 80 channels of music from my cable company so my wife went to sleep with the music on.

    We connected with my Dad via Skype. We set him up with a webcam before we left Connecticut. My daughter really missed him today. Seeing him over video helped a bit.

    My wife cooked a great meal and for the first time in years it was just us this year. We’ll be going out with her family on Saturday. Ended the night watching Peanuts and Lady Gaga. Kind of surreal.

  89. Well, I just awoke from a five hour nap, missed the second half of the college football game (my team lost), walked the dog in the cold (which means I’ll be up for the rest of the night because I’m wide awake), and read you from above Rutherford. Yep, Thanksgiving has become my favorite Holiday, because it is the one that seems to have remained most grounded to original intent. Like you, I heard Christmas music this afternoon – and turned it off.

    For the first time in years, I spent Thanksgiving with my own mom and dad. My sister (a hoot in her own right) and her family were over, so there was still a good crowd. My wife’s family big get together is always Thanksgiving, a 100 miles away and the Mrs. and the girls drove over there this morning to spend the next three days with them. For years, my duty has been to meet them at her sister’s house, then hurriedly drive back home to take care of the dogs before dark. Whoopee.

    This year, I took it easy. Though I missed my wife’s family and it means I see my own girls less, I don’t know how many more years my parents have. I figure once in a while, I owe my mom and dad my presence. I think my mom thoroughly enjoyed it, because there is no doubt we have spent far more time with her family than mine in our married life. Fortunately, my mom considers my wife like her own daughter. No doubt, I married right.

    My old man is so out of it anymore, we feed him first, then he heads upstairs, walking like Tim Conway as the old man in the Carol Burnett series to sit in his rocker.

    You come into this world as a screaming baby. You go out of this world in much the same way. 😦

    I have no idea why I’m telling total strangers this. 😆

  90. I know why! You’re all my brothers and sisters in your own right – in your case Rutherford, brotha!

    My daughter did a little listen to our carotids this morning. Mom, excellent – check. Sister, excellent – check. Dad….dad….you’ve got a strange noise. Gulp! Stroke out. I just had the Doppler check it six months ago. WTH?

    Would you guys and gals like me to leave a series of more boring stories of family holiday messages to cheer and entertain you? zzzzzz. 😈

    I have absolutely no discipline to my life anymore. There’s something to be said for having a purpose.

    Talk about living off the grid these days. I feel like John Connor of Terminator fame.

  91. Tex –

    Thanks for the run-on-the-bank story. I am about 65% through my book on the Currency Wars. He is getting into some areas with which I am superficially familiar: complexity and complex systems. It is truly scary. I have been reading econ in the mornings for several years now (You can’t spell geek without “ee.”) and it reminds me of when I was studying for my radiology boards: you wander in the woods, gathering sticks at random and after a while you just walk out into a big clearing and it all makes sense.

    Scientific American did an article in the ‘seventies on “self-organizing criticality.” It was some of the early research on complexity and chaos, but I always remembered it. We are now I believe just like the sand pile that is built one grain at a time. At some point it becomes unstable and a massive slide ensues. Another author MY author refers to has done extensive mathematical studies of the fall of civilizations and the United States has ALL the earmarks.

    This situation is like an avalanche. Every element in this economy is in place except that last snowflake that starts it all downhill. Every investment manager I read feels we are teetering on the edge of a razor blade and that we WILL go down. I am beginning to think that I need to diversify – but not as in S&P 500. I mean Australia, Brazil, land, commodities, gold. And quickly.

    And most importantly, ammunition for my .243, “AT&T.” (It will let you really reach out and touch someone – about 400 yds.)

    I’m no doomsayer, but every possible indicator is pointing deeply south. We will f*ck the world for the time being by debasing our currency, but they WILL get us back, and they will do it by replacing the dollar as the reserve currency. Then we are well and truly in a deep place.

    Sorry to be so morose, but sometimes it’s appropriate.

  92. Tex –

    Re: being unfocused. Yeah, I been there. I took several years off in the ‘nineties after putting in ungodly hours at work and doing my wife’s work at home too. (That was my FIRST wife.) Just couldn’t hack the pace any more and was missing my children’s childhoods.

    So I gave my notice and on July 1 I bagged it all. For the first six months I just got up when I pleased, read during the day, pushed my kids and all the neighborhood kids on the swing in my back yard. It was complete heaven, but by the end of it I was beginning to drift. Got myself by the nap of the neck and went back to engineering school. By God THAT was a challenge, I tell you, but it still left the weekends and all summers available to play with my kids.

    Idle hands == Devil’s workshop you know. Start working out is my advice for the first procedure. Especially aerobic exercise like biking or running. It will completely change your outlook and then you will be ready to take on the world. When I was in med school we did a study on middle-aged women (the classic depressed human) and found that exercise was as effective an antidepressant as the best drug we had at that time.

  93. “You come into this world as a screaming baby. You go out of this world in much the same way.”

    I know what you mean Tex. It’s diapers in, diapers out. An adult child becomes a parent to their parent. Enjoy your parents while you can.

  94. No disagreement Pfesser, and I wrote a post here about two years ago saying basically the same thing which was based on book I had read that has been out for some years now: The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.

    Only my analogy didn’t use a snowflake (apropos) but bricks, as in one more removed, and probably would have been more appropriate to instead have added bricks until the wall (system) collapsed from the dead weight.

    As far as diversification, I tried that in emerging markets and was consistently burned three separate times the last decade. Gold I owned and sold for a profit because I’m a contrarian by nature and believe the price built more on herd mentality and marketing ploy. Some commodities I’m iffy about anymore because of the associated variability, and scared to death of playing Forex, for no other reason that personal ignorance and there are signs China appears to be forming large cracks joining us in swirling the drain. Real estate prices dropping; sound familiar? I have no idea what kind of impact China’s demise would have on currency trades, but it can’t be good.

    I too gave thought to land and actually looked into it around here, but decided the property taxes alone could lead to substantial loss if just holding, unless the purpose was to plant and harvest. I’m not sure I could manage a spread the size of my backyard, much less farm. Pure city boy unless riding horses counts.

    I know this much. A large part of what I do still own in stocks is now in hydrocarbons – and with oil near $100 a barrel with great corporate balance sheets, should have shown a recent increase in value. The stocks have sunk like a rock for several weeks now, even with great fundamentals. 😡 Makes no sense to me, unless the inside players and traders know something about the future I don’t. And I am sure that is true. If I had any sense, I’d dump them too.

    Right now, I am in 80% in cash where I’m drawing about 2% return, and is completely contrary to “diversity” which is probably on intelligent par with Ben Bernacke’s monetary policy. But I sleep peacefully for the moment.

    I remain convinced sometime soon on bad news alone, the S&P tanks. Maybe my worthless currency can buy a substantial amount of worthless stock, creating a multitude of worthless short-term gain, where I wheelbarrow my earnings up to the depleted grocery shelves to buy a few loaves of bread to feed the chitlins for a short period of time.

    For the first time in my adult life, I have no plan and no idea where to put my money. In essence, I buried it in my backyard, defining myself as a pure bred Okie.

  95. Diapers in, Diapers Out. 😆 I like it – as long as it is not me, which it will be, of course. I have to add that to my repertoire.

    I’m not close to my father, but it still saddens me to watch him so helpless. I am close to my mom, and it very hard on her, though she hides it well.

  96. Pfesser, if there is anything I am sure of in life, it is this. Physical exercise.

    I’ve been a strong proponent of regular exercise for 25 years and am on my fifth treadmill now. I was diagnosed at 25 of having ventricular tachycardia, so I got on the bus. I used to go to the gym, but even the one affiliated with the hospital eventually get taken over by the high school jocks. Waiting on equipment ain’t my thing, so I bought my own equipment and do it here.

    I remain convinced sitting on your ass more than anything else leads to coronary heart disease – even smoking.

    I am fond of saying: “I exercise more for my head than my heart.”

    I have a question for you as physician if you get a chance. What’s your take on statins? I take a large dose of Lipitor is the reason I ask and they keep increasing it. For the first time, I am starting to experience muscle weakness.

  97. I have not done statins personally, although a lot of cardiologists DO. The last I have heard is that there have been some problems with the most successful of them and that they don’t seem to block coronary artery disease like they are supposed to do. Having said that, my cardiology training is FAR out of date. I just felt that being an early adopter of heart and vascular-related meds might not be the way to go, because – as with all things – there are unknown risks waiting in the wings that won’t show up for a long time and I trifle with a well fleshed-out design (the body) with great caution. I also don’t have any coronary disease in my family unless they smoke, so my way of doing business may not suit you. I DID take an aspirin a day since 1977 but recently quit since it precipitated a gout attack I’m pretty sure. 34 yrs of protection was enough I guess. Recent cardiac ultrasound shows clean blood vessels.

    If you don’t smoke and DO exercise to the extent of getting your heart rate up in the training range (80% of predicted max for 20 mins three times/week, where predicted max == 220 minus your age), I’m not sure statins make sense. But again, a real cardiologist will be a much better adviser, that’s just my personal philosophy.

  98. i just bought January Call contracts on U.S. gasoline (UGA Jan 21 ’12 $50 Call).

    Keep an eye on it. This may be a good opportunity to bust the Rabbit’s balls for his constant Wallstreet bragging.

    It was a total impulse buy. Fuck it. Feet don’t fail me now!!!!!!!!!!!

  99. Thanks Pfesser. I see an electro physiologist once a year for the stress test, and doc told me I was aerobically in better shape than most of the TU athletes he monitors. He’s an electrical engineer by trade too. I don’t know if that’s the cornerbacks, or the fat lineman. Eighteen minutes of sheer hell. 🙂 He did tell me the most fit players he has tested are soccer players. Some of them are off the charts.

    Unfortunately, I do have a familial history of the cardiovascular type. And my LDL sucks without the statins, I don’t care how healthy I eat. I took take the baby aspirin and have for years. I’m afraid I’m forced to agree with you about the long-term statin effect, and am beginning to wonder myself.

    Anything that has had frequent symptoms of muscle weakness and symptoms of arthritis, and in rarer cases neurological damage, does make me wonder what they don’t know. I tried niacin, but that had side effects of its own.

  100. Feet don’t fail me now!!!!!!!!!!!

    😆 That cracked me up. Don’t rub those feet raw, rabbit.

    Unfortunately, I do have a familial history of the cardiovascular type.

    I know you conservative types are usually not into organic stuff, but studies have shown that smoking pot is supposed to help your heart AND fight obesity. Those are recent scientific “discoveries” that have been published. The stuff has really proved good for a variety of ailments.

    Bottom line:

    God makes good stuff. The trick is keeping man from fucking it up. 🙂

    We have a big medical marijuana foundation out here in the west. Of course the feds keep trying to break it up by stepping in and over-riding states rights, but it is a fast and growing (no pun intended) business. Out here where most businesses are dying, it has brought some new small farms to life. Dispensaries are also taking over some vacant storefronts.

  101. Just got back from putting my old dog down. The same one that had a stroke a few months ago. She recovered from the stroke, but developed other problems over the last couple months. She had a good run of nearly 14 years as the family dog.

    Having it be something that needed to be done sure doesn’t make it any easier to do….

  102. Huck, did it twice two years ago within six months with my beloved labs – one planned, one after a heart attack and my beautiful male simply was struggling for breath. Did everything I could for them both, and both lived with me for over 13 years.

    It is hard, and I am sorry. I love good dogs – and a 14 year old pet is a good dog.

    But look at it as your last loving act for your pet, because that is exactly what it is. It’s a very humane way to go, and the dog never even knows it what is happening; they literally do go to sleep because it is a massive overdose of anesthesia . My face was the last thing my “pups” ever saw on earth, and 2-3 years after the fact, I have never had a regret. The pain will ease quickly, and the good memories will stay.

    My dog that got run over before my eyes last year was a different matter. I’m still not totally over that, and would rank it as perhaps the most traumatic memory of my life – on my 50th birthday, no less.

  103. Dude…smoking anything isn’t good for you. Lets not be naive here.

    I was going to say something, but it gets so old to correct something so dumb, I just let it go.

    Smoking weed is probably every bit as damaging to the lungs as smoking cigarettes being it is completely unfiltered, and at the very least it damages both the cilia of the bronchioles used to remove irritants from passageway and damages the millions of alveoli used to diffuse oxygen and carbon dioxide.

    I can tell you from personal experience, it is definitely an irritant to the throat.

    It simply can’t be good for any part of the cardiovascular function, but why ruin a great fib.

  104. Sorry about your faithful family pet, Huck. That sucks, but 14 is a ripe old age for most dogs.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Rabbit, you and Tex are living sheltered lives. I’m not really surprised. You may be up to date on the latest sports, but when it comes to revelations about history or new discoveries, you guys are in the dark. There have not been links associating smoking pot with lung cancer. As a matter of fact, it has been shown in some cases to protect one from it. Even wiki gets it mostly right.

    One of the major criticisms of cannabis as medicine is opposition to smoking as a method of consumption. However, smoking is no longer necessary due to the development of healthier methods. Today, medicinal marijuana patients can use vaporizers, where the essential marijuana compounds are extracted and inhaled. This is somewhat similar to steaming vegetables to avoid cancerous by-products that are produced at higher temperatures. In addition, edible marijuana, which is produced in various baked goods, is also available, and has demonstrated longer lasting effects.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_cannabis

  105. Ah Huck, that is so sad. It’s never easy no matter what their age. My old Lab had a couple of arthritic seizures and one night went into a full spasm. I didn’t want to subject him to the ER so all I had on hand was a prescription Motrin that I popped into those locked jaws. Next day the vet said I saved him from the seizure but could have given him a heart attack. Whatever, he had a good night before we needed to say goodbye.

    It never is easy but it’s good we can help out the old guys and not let them suffer.

    Now putting my 9 year old Golden down for cancer was really rough. Still have a hard time with that one.

  106. Poolman, your wiki cut and paste is offering NON-SMOKING options BECAUSE smoking the stuff is bad. Breathing in smoke of ANYTHING is bad.

    I hate admitting stuff like this, but I’ve used the vaporizer many times. Lower tar….and lower THC. So, its harder to get stoned. And you still get tar. It’s better then smoking it outright. But it aint healthy.

    Eating the shit in fatty cookies blows, unless sitting on the couch for 8 hours as a vegetable is your idea of a good time.

    But go ahead. Smoke a QP of the Mexican blood weed, for all I care. Then meet me in the morning for full court basketball, and tell me how healthy you feel.

    I don’t even know why I respond to your idiot shit.

    I am someone who believes marijuana should be 100% legal. Hell, I’d even argue smoking a joint every blue moon might be a mentally healthy thing to do.

    But, as usual, you serve as the perfect smoke screen (no pun intended) for common sense to prevail.

    I don’t know if you smoke weed but I’m willing to guess you don’t do much cardio.

    I’m convinced cardio is the best buzz out there. It’s also the best anti-depressant. Coming in second is lifting weights. And IT IS healthy.

    I have a theory that the modern American male is full of estrogen. What’s up with all these pear shaped bodies? I’m over weight, but I don’t look like a soccer mom. I think its because I lift weights and have stayed active for the last 17 years.

  107. Huck my condolences on your dog. I never fancied myself much of a pet owner but I know if Ollie goes before I do, it’s gonna be hard.

    Holiday in new home had me a bit depressed and 30 silent minutes on the couch with my cat was quite healing.

  108. I always wanna puke every time Bill Maher talks about crap in our food supply while he’s smoking grass like there’s no tomorrow.

    Sorry Poolman there are only two things that belong in your lungs, fresh air and medicine that helps you get more fresh air.

    When you can tell me that pot is a good natural bronchodilator maybe I’ll take it seriously.

  109. You should watch the show that Robin Williams just emceed on the Discovery Channel, Poolman. Williams is a reformed druggie, and I imagine he assisted this documentary as a warning.

    Watch it, and come back and tell me even consistent “medical marijuana” is good for you, or even ‘healthy’. You want to see the long-term effects of weed?

    I found reefer man even more pitiful than the heroin addict or the coke head. The meth guy was the worst of all.

  110. I know what you mean about some weed heads. Lazy, pathetic wastes.

    But Coke heads? Fucking sick people. They will hawk their own Mom’s wedding ring. My cousin (one of the only biological female Rabbits that exist) is walking Michigan Ave as we speak. She sucks cock for coke. How fucked up is that?

    I had a friend who was a cop and got hooked on heroin. He’s exactly my age, been in the ground for 8 years. We used to win all the little league titles together.

    The most financially successful guy I know, my hedge-fund buddy, is an every night smoker. Been that way since we were 14 years old. The guy might be worth 50 million, now. On the other hand, another one of our buddies from my neighborhood still lives in his Mom’s basement and does odd jobs for cash. He literally spends 70% of his income on weed.

    Those two drugs are nowhere even in the same universe as weed.

    Weed runs the spectrum of dependence much like alcohol does, without the violence and liver disease associated with it.

    Some function perfectly on it every day. Some become almost emasculated from it (It does lower testosterone).

    Weed is for all practical purposes legal here. Everyone and their brother has a card. The world keeps on turning.

  111. One more thing about weed. It’s got to be the only drug out there that most people just kind of grow out of. No quit dates. No line in the sand. Just becomes boring. That alone should be reason for legalization.

  112. I went to a major coin show today. It was packed. Bought me some silver and a Gold Panda. (Thank you European Debt crisis).

    I wanted to buy a roll of pre-1963 Franklin half dollars. They were flying off the shelves. I couldn’t find any. You older guys need to take an inventory. Because us younger guys want to buy your shit.

  113. My wife had about 80 1921-1923 silver dollars in a coin bag in her drawer for the first 20 years of our marriage. 😆

    I never thought much about it, until one day it occurred to me the silver alone had to be worth a bit. I looked it up and sure enough the melt down value was about 31 bucks a piece.

    $2,500 in silver sitting in a drawer with the flashlights and trinkets. Probably lucky the kids didn’t steal them for bubble gum money when they were little.

    I’ve since moved them to a safety deposit box, just in case we need “spending” money.

  114. Weed runs the spectrum of dependence much like alcohol does, without the violence and liver disease associated with it.

    I agree. And I have zero friends that died because of pot and close to a dozen that have from alcohol or drunk drivers. Also the quality of weed runs a full spectrum. The amount it takes get high with some “designer” blends is minimal – a few hits off a conventional pipe.

    Like anything, reactions are not identical with each person. But the medical uses beyond recreation, especially in the field of cancer, are astounding. Most of the studies have been done in other countries, since there has been such a negative view and treatment of marijuana advocates in this country. The drug companies that fund much of that research are not interested in finding new uses for it. The alcohol companies don’t like seeing it going mainstream.

    http://www.420magazine.com/forums/endocannabinoid-system/154736-cannabis-miracle-drug-21st-century.html

  115. Yo, Tex. I’ll give you the funny light green paper stuff for them.

    My take on the entire economy can be summed up by Napoleon’s bad ass pep talk minutes before the Battle of the Pyramids.

    “Forward! Remember that from those monuments yonder forty centuries look down upon you.”

    My plan is to leave my kids safety deposit boxes of booty. They won’t even know it exists until I’m worm dirt.

    If I’m wrong, it will still have some value. What swinging dick doesn’t respect gold and silver bullion! (Scratch that last statement if our baby due in May is a girl.) 🙂

    If I’m right about this whole thing my boys won’t just be looking at an inheritance, they will be receiving motherfucken plunder of a numismatic barbarian who survived the Dark Ages. Pretty damn cool.

  116. Rabbit, if you get a girl, God help the man that wants her hand… 😆

    I feel those bags of booty will be used to pound some potential young knight’s head into numismatic goo.

    You’re getting to be quite the investor. Nice little side business.

  117. lol………Man, it just seems impossible that I could have a daughter. But its really not. I catch myself always assuming its a boy.

    I honestly have no clue how to raise a daughter. Not that I got it figured out right now. But damn…..by the way, how did/do you handle the boy friend thing?

  118. Meghan McCain has joined MSDNC!

    Great news indeed. The little Miss is a conservative who finds the embarrassing parts of her party embarrassing. That works for me. Michael Steele is doing quite well on MSNBC also. He’s a much better political analyst than he was RNC leader.

  119. Rabbit … if you have a daughter I’ll be glad to keep you posted since I’m raising one of my own.

    Speaking of men and women …. I blew off some time today watching an “Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader” marathon on Game Show Network. I’m sorry guys but the women contestants just seemed ten times more stupid than the guys. I think it has to do with our culture that women are comfortable being more transparently clueless while men cover it up with lots of bluster and braggadocio.

    There was one question about how many baby teeth we have and I swear the dumbass lady in the hot seat started counting her own teeth. I’m yelling at the screen “You don’t have any baby teeth anymore dimwit!!!”

    Then there was another who for a split second listed George Harrison as one of the Presidents of the United States. Fortunately she caught herself brain-farting aloud and quickly corrected herself.

    Getting back to the original topic, Rabbit maybe one reason dumb women really get my dander up is I have a daughter and would be mortified if she was that brainless.

    However, I think I have established a new Lawson tradition. While the rest of you watch football on T’giving, I’ll be watching Game Show Network. 😉

  120. George Harrison, was a President, was he not? Or was that the Dead Presidents rock band? I’m so confused. Sounds like I would make an ideal player. I’m guessing (without looking up, I swear) – Twenty baby teeth? I know adults have 32.

    While I type, I’m listening “Here comes the Sun” – absolutely timeless song, and this one is accompanied by Eric Clapton, not a bad guitar player himself. 😉 Who would have thought thirty years ago when we were paying literally thousands of dollars for huge, gaudy looking stereo equipment, your TV would eventually become your best music venue?

    —————–

    I knew you’d be thrilled with a La Meghan coming to your network. Another ditz who can bad mouth Republicans while calling herself Republican – a complete and utter massive piece of baloney, which will be a strong addition to a complete and utter disgrace of a channel. As an added bonus, La Chunky is about as smart as her daddy. I figure about 919 out of 924 in the graduating class material. Right up your alley, R.

    The only thing I can think of that would have thrilled you more was that weasel Frum making it on as regular – you’d have cuffed the carrot over that one.

    —————

    You were missed yesterday. I’ll be glad when Christmas gets here this year just so I can go to Home Depot and buy some bulbs without dodging the melee – probably fisticuffs over a garden hose sale.

    We are an embarrassment of a country anymore.

    You guys see the massive female brawl yesterday over waffle makers? 😆 😆 I read that and thought at first it was something from The Onion. Especially the red head porcine with her butt crack hanging out of her jeans for the world to see? And then there was the pepper spray to get some video games, putting ten in the hospital.

    And I’m supposed to be fired up to hit the sales?

    See, I can’t carry a concealed weapon. It wouldn’t be 48 hours, and I would have emptied the chamber into six or eight stupid people.

  121. I didn’t know I was a sex offender. Gulp… I did the same thing, I guess perverted and corrupted at such a young age. I let Robin see mine, and she in turn let me see her’s. Her mother went ballistic, but didn’t charge me – just burst into the bathroom. Who knew?

    More signs that America has lost her collective mind:

    Parents Sue D.A. for Charging Their 6-Year-Old Son With a Felony After He Played Doctor With a 5-Year-Old Girl

    http://reason.com/blog/2011/11/23/parents-sue-da-for-charging-their-6-year#commentcontainer

  122. “I don’t know if you smoke weed but I’m willing to guess you don’t do much cardio.

    I’m convinced cardio is the best buzz out there. It’s also the best anti-depressant. Coming in second is lifting weights. And IT IS healthy.

    I have a theory that the modern American male is full of estrogen. What’s up with all these pear shaped bodies? I’m over weight, but I don’t look like a soccer mom. I think its because I lift weights and have stayed active for the last 17 years.”

    Couple of observations: firstly, nothing is completely benign. My nephew has lifted for many years and has had multiple injuries due to tendon tears and has had both of his ACLs reconstructed. His joints look like a 70 year-old because the joints were never “designed” if you will, for that kind of repetitive high load. I’m absolutely with you on the cardio, though, and have taken up mountain biking. MY joints couldn’t hack the running any more.

    Secondly – yes, smoking dope is hard on your lungs. However, nobody can smoke a 20-pack a day or even close, let alone three packs a day, if they came in that packaging, like you do cigarettes, so you can’t equate three or so doobies/day to smoking tobacco. Also, I always found myself much more relaxed over a long period of time when I was able to toke a couple of times/week, which I am sure is good for your cardiovascular health. My point is that you can’t control all the variables so as to be dogmatic about it.

    The former head of the US Chiefs of Police (I think) did a great book comparing dope to alcohol. He believes that making the former legal will do a great deal to get kids off alcohol, which I personally believe is the Antichrist. A good read.

  123. I had read several years ago where parents were ecstatic with the results their ADHD son was having after getting off Ritalin and on cannabis, with absolutely no side effects. This is another area in which America has had its head up its ass.

    The demonization of marijuana was fomented by Randolph Hearst in conjuction with the alcohol industry early last century. He was destroying the hemp industry and needed to associate the drug’s use as evil and antisocial, which he was able to do. The misinformation that was spread is still the predominant view. It’s lies. Reefer Madness – lies.

    http://cannazine.co.uk/cannabis-news/united-states/marijuana-replaces-ritalin-in-treatment-for-add/adhd-video.html

    Don’t tell Tex that the nation of Israel is probably the foremost proponent in the use and research of the medical benefits of pot. 😀

  124. Rutherford I found your post really good at allowing a reader to revisit the quotes of the past. All in all I found this post to be pretty good at getting something out there even if your conclusion is different than my own.
    Reading this post coincided with me being in a discussion comparing Obama and Bush W. It centered on the speechifying of the two with me saying O is more eloquent but W always came off as his words being his. I cited Frum as to back up my assertion that W clearly controlled what came up on the TP. I closed wondering whether the same can be said of O. My charge was that O is style without the personal substance. I am firmer in that belief every day.

  125. Poolman, you’ll have weed curing cancer and heart attacks next go around. 🙄 Like Rabbit said, if you’re serious in this matter, I suggest you visit medical journals for your info – not 420 or NORML websites.

    Let me just put it this way. You guys can provide all the support you want for legalizing weed. Personally, I don’t care as the war on drugs as big a failure as Obama.

    If we want to fight the “war on drugs”, we should quit focusing on inhibiting supply and start focusing on educating the general public by the problems caused by widespread use, including numerous brutal deaths. But nothing good will come from the legalization.

    I’ve watched old high school friends who are long-term dope smokers. To a person, everyone of them are impaired to some degree – especially memory. It is ugly by the time you reach 50, just as long-term alcohol and tobacco use are ugly.

    I don’t need scientific studies – I’ve got living proof in my own circles to know their are long-term detrimental physiological effects.

  126. Pfessor,

    Those are fair points about lifting. Word for word, my doc said the same thing about my joints you said about your nephew. I guess I was referring to one’s swagger more then physical health.

    And, I do get your take on tokes, too.
    This Michigan game is not one bit healthy for me. My two year old learned a new word today.

  127. Everything Tex says is also correct. However, the same can be applied to Twinkies, beer and simply sitting on one’s ass too much. Its a free country. Moderation is key. It aint Nanny’s job to spend a trillion dollars trying to stop a few morons from smoking weed all day.

    Many good things would come out of legalizing weed. So I disagree with Tex big time on this one. Too many good and productive people getting their lives ruined from Nanny. Too many Mexicans dying. Too much tax dollars wasted.

  128. @ DR 177:
    I was gonna stay out of the marijuana fray but I have to jump in now. Although I agree with you that the war on drugs is as big a problem as the drugs themselves the legalization or de-criminalization of marijuana will not likely help Mexico on any time line.
    In the USA I think the only plus would prove to be control and taxation which would breed illegality in response.

    MA. has decriminalized limited marijuana possession with zero effect on price.

  129. 3 doobies a day?

    That would fucking DESTROY my lungs.

    I would say that is certainly as bad as a pack of smokes.

    That’s a lot of tar, man. Look at the roaches. Nasty, sticky, stinky.

    Gross.

  130. And yet Rabbit, you want Nanny to approve it, which means they will also regulate it. What do you think is going to happen to the price of weed when government gets their hands in it like they have alcohol and smokes?

    And what do you think will happen when all this propaganda of its health benefits is then proven untrue, and all the sudden we find out (and we will) that it causes not only problems with cardiovascular but neurological?

    Remember, I was smoking weed before you were born. It’s not like you’re talking to some goodie two shoes here. I can tell you from personal experience dope was far more impairing when I drove than alcohol ever was. If that hasn’t been everyone’s experience here, you were smoking dirt weed, because THC is immediately absorbed into the blood stream upon entering the lungs. 🙂

  131. “MA. has decriminalized limited marijuana possession with zero effect on price.”

    Same here. But, it has had a huge effect on quality. Mexicans are out of the mix, here now, too.

    And make no bones about it. While meth and coke play a role, its marijuana that fuels the Mexican drug lords.

    How couldn’t the absolute legalization not implode the Mexican cartels? Marijuana can be grown just as easy as a tomato plant.

    The cartels would be rendered as nothing more then mules for Colombian coke dealers.

  132. Yeah, I don’t know what to say about the poolmen of the world peddling Marijuana as snake oil. That’s a very valid point.

    However, I don’t think the government could regulate it if they wanted too.

    Its a plant that grows in your garden. End of story.

  133. re Mexico.a number of things form my thinking.
    The biggest one is that I think the cartels transcend criminal activity as we know it. The “industries” the cartels are involved in would still find them heavily (and heavily handed) involved whether the “industry” was legal or not.

    Still my time line comment is open for scrutiny and your “absolute legalization” is a good one for it. That’s a rough absolute to hang your hat on though.

  134. I suggest you visit medical journals for your info

    Unfortunately the medical journals in this country are not going to have a lot of positive information regarding natural medicines and cures. They, along with everything else American, are censored and their findings must fall within the accepted narrative. The pharmaceutical companies have more clout, as experienced recently with the health care debacle. Profits are much more important than natural remedies or cures.

    Universities and institutions are supported and given grants with strings attached, thwarting true scientific discovery. The past decade records hundreds of such incidents. It’s really too bad. But ALL our institutions are involved. You have to go outside the mainstream sources to get to the truth. Or go review another nation’s journals. That is why people like Montel Williams go to nations like Israel to bypass the backward bullshit that we continue to hold to.

    It is profit over people. That is where America is today, folks.

  135. “And what do you think will happen when all this propaganda of its health benefits is then proven untrue, and all the sudden we find out (and we will) that it causes not only problems with cardiovascular but neurological?”

    Well, in Rabbit’s world, we don’t do shit.

    You have a right to slowly harm yourself over time.

    Following that kind of logic, playing football in high school should be banned to. Getting your bell rung is wreaks neurological havoc. Boxing will be gone. Every crazy mountain bike path closed. Fast cars illegal.

    The list can go on forever.

  136. “I can tell you from personal experience dope was far more impairing when I drove than alcohol ever was.

    My experience: Of course it goes without saying that the dose of EtOH and dope are the most important thing with driving, but if I were equivalently dosed:

    Alcohol: Impairment 7 lets say on a scale of 1 to 10. Paranoia about driving – about 2/10

    Dope: Impairment 7/10 (same as alcohol, let’s say) Paranoia 9.96/10, so at that level I would never drive. At lower levels my paranoia was still much higher than my impairment so I always drove very, very carefully. Should I have been driving at all? No. (Of course that was a long time ago, back before I was saying no.)

    But I think that shows the problem with alcohol. You are impaired way more than you think you are and with dope it is the other way around.

    To be clear: I am not advocating driving either way, but I think a stoner is way less dangerous than a drunk. Just my opinion; I could be wrong.

  137. OK I have to know peoples thoughts on this.
    Given the real world experience we all have with tobacco and alcohol use does anyone seriously believe open and free cannabis use is a positive for America?
    And no matter what ones view where are the lines?
    18 years old,21 16?
    driving under the influence? Heavy machinery,air/water navigation?
    USDA Organic?

  138. Not for nothing pool but you overvalue your supporting documentation. You preach that people should think deeper,well you know the saying. The IMAJ study and the reality within Israel as a whole (6k pts treated for various ailments) isn’t the rooster crowing at all.

  139. “Given the real world experience we all have with tobacco and alcohol use does anyone seriously believe open and free cannabis use is a positive for America?”

    Yes – for several reasons, the most important of which is that I believe it will displace a lot of alcohol use. Secondly, it is a pacifying influence; I have never seen someone who is stoned (hemp only – alcohol AND dope are a whole ‘nother thing) in a fight. ever.

    “And no matter what ones view where are the lines? 18 years old,21 16?”

    It’s like sex – later is better; I don’t think you can draw a bright line on age, because they are doing it now. Far safer than tobacco IMHO, simply because you can’t possibly smoke enough to be equivalently bad on your health.

    “driving under the influence?”

    Always bad, but much safer with pot. Should be a criminal offense because you are endangering others who had no part in your choice to use.

    “Heavy machinery,air/water navigation?”

    Good way to get your killin’s done. And somebody else’s. You just can’t do that shit.

    USDA Organic?

    Why get the govt involved? Just decriminalize it and get the hell out of the way. People can decide for themselves if they want to grow their own. The govt does NOT need more tax money. It needs to be downsized by at least 75% and then the money problem goes away.

  140. thanks PF your comment only leads to more questions though.

    So an 18 year old returning from Iraq should be able to buy a tax free beer right?
    Don’t read too much snark into that I mean it in an entirely serious manner.
    ala carte you are showing a far more libertarian side than I’ve ever noticed in you before.

  141. I think we do mankind a disservice for banning a natural ingredient that God said was good. We associate pot with getting high. Some people enjoy(ed) it, others never did. Yet the alternate uses for others should not be judged by a personal experience. And as “free” creatures, what right does anyone have banning a plant or it’s use? That’s crazy. It’s unAmerican!

    Washington was plagued throughout his adult life with bad teeth, losing about one tooth a year from the age of 24. In his later years he consulted a number of dentists and used a number of sets of false teeth (but none of wood). Washington routinely smoked marijuana to alleviate the pain from his ailing teeth. Washington’s own diary recounts, on several occasions, his efforts to better cultivate and enhance his crops of marijuana, which he used both for hemp (fiber) production and for medicine: May 12-13, 1765: “Sowed Hemp at Muddy hole by Swamp.” August 7, 1765: “–began to seperate (sic) the Male from the Female Hemp at Do–rather too late.”

    http://www.academickids.com/encyclopedia/index.php/George_Washington

  142. My EMS years revealed to me that marijuana use was a very capable inhibition eliminator,I met a number of joint only a##holes. There is a line between inhibitions lowered to baked out mellow,that I can give you,where as drunks could be nasty even legless sitting in their own fluids.

  143. Alfie –

    I am Vietnam-era. At that time the drinking age was 21. That question came up during those days, to wit: “So you are telling me that you want me to take another man’s life, risk his taking my own in Vietnam, but I can’t buy a beer?” I was in college but looked much older; I bought beer for many a vet at my school.

    Largely in response to the above, they lowered the age to 18.

    The govt later decided that 18-21 year olds were not drinking responsibly, so in response to (they said) a high drunk-driving rate of those folks, they raised it back up and ignored the paradox.

    I think it has been an unmitigated disaster; they are still drinking and driving, except now a DUI is a Federal case and it is ruining their lives. The fact that it is outside the law makes them more likely to IGNORE the law, since they don’t believe in it, and at the same time be less responsible drinkers. I have an 18 and 20 year old. They drink, but they are (so far) pretty responsible about driving. I just tell them: I think the law is stupid; don’t you be stupid too, because they will destroy your life if they catch you. Call a friend or call ME. No questions asked.

    re: libertarian side. I am a life member of the Libertarian party and I think I am pretty consistent in my views. Remember, a Libertarian is fiscally very conservative, but socially liberal. I think I fit that pretty well, so when you see me talking about voting for Obama and dissing some of Bush’s things, that is NOT inconsistent with being a Libertarian.

  144. “Remember, a Libertarian is fiscally very conservative, but socially liberal.”

    I find myself more and more gravitating to this line of thinking, while admitting I don’t really know squat about Libertarians.

  145. Pfesser, at best in my opinion you’re only trading one bad option for another. I don’t have a good argument against alcohol abuse against say marijuana abuse, but neither are good in my book. That’s why I’m not too hung up on whether dope is legalized, or not except….

    The slippery slope. Using Poolman’s usual convoluted logic, peyote, cocaine and heroin are natural drugs too. I can use this argument to legalize most drugs.

    Rabbit is right that I have no right to how you choose to use your body. But I have every right after a lifetime of your drug abuse to demand you be accountable for paying for that abuse.

    That’s why I am beginning to be a proponent of completely individualized health care cost. Mandatory drug testing for all of us to receive health care. One should be rewarded or penalized accordingly. You don’t drink or smoke and aren’t morbidly obese, you receive a cheaper rate.

    I’m tired of being asked to pick up the tab for people’s bad behavior. And I’m not entirely against if you’re drunk or stoned and you kill someone in an accident, you automatically suffer the same fate. We euthanize you.

  146. I did watch the Michigan OSU game, Rabbit. Great game – between two marginally good teams.

    I still think Wisconsin is the best team in the Big Ten, even with the two losses.

  147. Rabbit, the chances good that if I am here on “R”‘s blog, the chances real good that I’m watching TV in conjunction iwith the notebook in my lap, like I am now. Alabama/Auburn.

    Probably is the reason so many of my posts are more like tomes and repetitious. By the time I realize what I’ve written, I’ve probably already written it once before when my team was going for 3rd and short in the paragraph above. 😈

    Thanksgiving morning was the exception. I actually was sitting in a quite house. But that was only one comment. 🙂

  148. Huck –

    A great book on the marihuana debate is

    http://www.amazon.com/Marijuana-Safer-Driving-People-Drink/dp/1603581448/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1322342877&sr=1-1

    Cost you ten bucks, worth every penny.

    As for the Libertarian thing,

    http://www.amazon.com/What-Means-Libertarian-Charles-Murray/dp/0767900391/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1322343013&sr=8-1

    I finally got an iPad and downloaded a free e-book reader (kindle) for it. Can’t overstate how great it is. My house was sinking under the weight of all the books; now I have about fifty on my iPad and can re-download them if they get accidentally erased.

    I think you will find Charles Murray’s explanation of Libertarianism to be exactly what you need to decide if it’s for you. Changed my life.

  149. Pools I will say one thing. Your comments can lead others to dig a little deeper.
    First off the wiki relative Academickidz should be taken down,unfortunately Anonymous probably doesn’t care if kids get complete bullshit history lessons.
    Washington grew hemp. FACT so didn’t Jefferson.
    Washington smoked marijuananot likely at all. I say this since the line of thinking pro pot folks look to is actually destroyed by the fuller entries regarding its base. Separation allows people to think that he was going for the THC potent female but following entries in his writings shows that he then soaked the females in the river so to get to the seeds to then create more crops and such.He clearly was looking for the males for their stronger fiber,which is what one would assume would be the more marketable hemp product.All in all nothing with a lick of credibility,and by that I specifically cite Washingtons writings, backs the assertion Washington was in tune with hemp=pot=smokie smokie.

  150. I can use this argument to legalize most drugs.

    If God made these “drugs”, they serve a purpose. The key is in raising your kids to respect all things under the sun. Teach your children the truth about them. Once they are adults, they will respect what you have respected. Lead by example and cut the ties of ignorance and deception, wherever and whenever you find them.

    It falls back to family and local community, things we have lost or mostly given up in our lust for stuff. Consumerism is a disease far more devastating than smoking pot, especially noteworthy this time of year when the frenzy is so severe people often get hurt or killed.

  151. quiet house…

    Poolman, I’m sure God made those drugs. You’re right. Let’s legalize everything, and then I’ll listen to you how to raise my kids and lead by your stupendous example.

  152. Let’s legalize everything

    Everything is permissible…

    Know the facts before you push an opinion.

    http://brainz.org/420-milestones-history-marijuana/

    You seem to think man’s way the best way and America the best example. It just doesn’t hold water. The money we spend/spent and the lives/businesses we destroy/destroyed by declaring this one plant illegal over the past century is huge. And for what? Kids still get high. Our population is addicted to legal drugs with multiple side effects and ramifications, that they advertise relentlessly in every available media.

  153. I think the “God made drugs” so they’re OK argument might not hold up under scrutiny.

    By that argument, He made hemlock, too.
    Ditto Stalin.

    Of course everything has SOME use, so to say God made everything and everything God makes is useful, therefore everything is useful, when in point of fact, everything is useful anyway….hmmm…I think I smell a tautology somewhere there.

    Pool-Dude, I think you might be barking up the wrong tree.

    Rutherford, I have a comment stuck in moderation. I forgot you can’t do two links in the same post. Sorry.

  154. Pfesser,

    The “God made drugs” argument was more for believers. And yes everything is used by God for a specific purpose, even dictators and poisons.

    The main point was how can we make something illegal that grows naturally on the planet? That’s like saying water should be illegal because people can drown or trees should be illegal because they can fall on a house. It’s crazy. The stuff doesn’t force itself on you, it is a choice like most everything else we encounter. The benefits far outweigh any consequences.

    Life is a serious of risks. It is supposed to be that way.

  155. “Given the real world experience we all have with tobacco and alcohol use does anyone seriously believe open and free cannabis use is a positive for America?”

    Why not? We spend a fortune in tax dollars putting users in prison much like the prohibition days and what did that prove? Among mind altering drugs, pot is the lesser of the evils.

    Tobacco, alcohol, cannabis are all bad for us. Frankly so is McDonalds and any substance that has High Fructose Corn Syrup.

    All of you want less government intervention in our lives so why not include food and drugs in that equation.

    Everyone should eat their fruit and veggies every day and I believe that includes tobacco, grapes, coffee beans, all plants in my book.

    Just being a little tongue -in-cheek 😉

    For Poolman: God did not make drugs. God created an environment that could create the plants that would nourish the creatures that would inhabit the world he created. If not carefully cultivated the plants that nourish would be overcome by the “weeds” that are toxic to the environment.

  156. Incidentally, I am smoking one of my favorite cigars as I type. For those of you that don’t “get” cigars, good! All the more for me. I am confident that there are no health benefits, but I enjoy the shit out of a fine cigar.

    Rabbit, I am smoking a 2003 Hoyo Des Dieux with a mediocre syrah to cleanse the palate on a 60 degree night on my deck. Lock me up! I am almost catatonic.

  157. Tex, did I hear you say that you had a ventricular arrhythmia? Did you mean atrial, as in atrial fib? I have a reason for asking.

    El Tigre – do you know this old “rap” by Mason Williams? Just lyrics to a beat, no melody:

    Them Toad Suckers

    How about them Toad Suckers, Ain’t they clods?
    Sittin’ there suckin’ them green toady frogs.
    Suckin’ them hopper toads, suckin’ them chunkers,
    Suckin’ them leapy types, suckin’ them plunkers.
    Look at them Toad Suckers, Ain’t they snappy?
    Suckin’ them bog Frogs, sure makes them happy.
    Them hugger mugger Toad Suckers, way down south,
    Stickin’ them sucky toads, in they mouth.
    How to be a Toad Sucker? No way to duck it;
    getcha self a toad frog; rare back and suck it!

  158. Tigre,

    That sounds damn good. I’m lucky if I have time to smoke a cigar once every two months, lately.

    I used to sneak a Robusto in after softball every now and then.

    The last one I smoked, a Man O’ War Virtue, had a 15 minute sweet spot on it that blew me away.

    I’ve come to terms that I love medium cigars wrapped with a Connecticut leaf. I love that creamy, smooth, slightly cedar taste. This might sound even more pussified, but they are so damn good with a huge glass of frosty root-beer.

    I also like spicy Habano wrapper with some rum or whiskey.

    I’ve never had a good Maduro like the Liga Privada No. 9. So, its hard for me to judge. Someone gave me a Cuban Cohiba that is resting in the ol’ humidor, but the bastard is a Churchill. I want to designate a few hours of relaxation time for that.

    I always tell myself I’m going to splurge and buy one, but then I see these cheaper Connecticut wrapped cigars that I know I love, so I don’t pulll the trigger.

  159. Tex, did I hear you say that you had a ventricular arrhythmia? Did you mean atrial, as in atrial fib? I have a reason for asking.

    Not atrial – ventricle. More deadly. V-Tach. Rapid heart beat starting in the ventricles. And mine was life threatening, as they found my heart racing well over 200 beats a minute while sleeping when wearing a monitor.

    Seriously, it is somewhat miraculous that I’m alive, as it found by accident by an infectious disease doctor I visited while being treated for a staff infection.

  160. God did not make drugs. God created an environment that could create the plants that would nourish the creatures that would inhabit the world he created. If not carefully cultivated the plants that nourish would be overcome by the “weeds” that are toxic to the environment.

    We may be getting into differing theology here. If we are considering God as described in the Bible, I have to disagree. My first link in 193 goes to the reference in Genesis where it claims God made ALL the kinds of plants and their associated seeds and that they were considered good by God. That was the “third day” of creation.

    Now that was before the creation and fall of man. After the “fall” we are told that man would need to sweat and toil to make the ground produce crops and he would continually fight to keep the weeds (thorns and thistles) from overtaking them. It doesn’t change the plants, only the environment they will be growing in.

    But just as we know ALL things were created by God, even the things that are used for evil, since only one Creator exists. The biblical account claims the devil was created by God, as were the rest of the fallen angels.

    Then there’s this passage that further claims everything as God’s.

    for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”

    Now if by drugs you mean the end substances we derive from these plants by various means, I still say the components are God made. Is it all good? It can be used for good or evil purposes, like everything else “created”. The synthetics that the Pharma companies produce that we call drugs are often derived or copied from nature. It grays the line. I am an advocate of natural remedies and less MANipulated™ ingredients.

  161. “Tigre, do you even some the wimpy Connecticuts?”

    Not generally. But (Dos Equis Guy voice) “when I do, I always go for a Romeo Churchill.” Consistently good and well-constructed. Near-flawless wrappers. R & J are rarely overpriced IMO.

    I just had a real good Ghurka. It was given to me, so I don’t know what it cost. But unlike R & J, I think Ghurka’s a overpriced. Most are good though.

    My favorite medium (not CT) though are CAO La Traviatas. I don’t like any other CAOs. La Traviatas though are happening, especially for the price ($7-8?).

    For a double ligero type, I am surprised by your CT shade confession. Kinda like admitting you prefer Zima. 😆 (kidding. I love ’em all).

    I’ve developed a real appreciation for the LA Aroma Mi Amore. They’ve got a box pressed Churchill (or similar gauge) that is De-Licious and affordable ($7-8). Rich, medium with a kick-ass maduro wrapper (Nicaraguan). All sizes are good. Do a robusto. Believe it or not, they’re Mexican. No shit.

  162. Poolman, sometimes you invoke God as central focus in supporting your argument in the strangest of circumstances and subjects. Saying this as a Christian and maybe more so on account of it because I find it utterly embarrassing, even to me it seems unseemly, cheap and pandering.

    Speaking as someone with a passing interest who fights the stereotype of strange thumpers, there is a legitimate reason for the reputation.

    God created sex too – even encourages it for health and for pleasure. Using your logic Poolman, I could well say then that free love and sex is a good thing because God created it.

    If you require something relevant to scripture providing instruction, then I believe this would be far more applicable to illicit drug use.

    Sorcery is the Greek word pharmakeia from which we get the English word “pharmacy.” The primary meaning is “the use or the administering of drugs. Since sorcery is included in a list of things that if practiced would preclude one from heaven, this is a clear indicator that a Christian should not practice illicit drug use.

    See Galatians 5:19-21, if interested

  163. Believe it or not, they’re Mexican. No shit.

    😆 You guys sure you’re not smoking dried horse dung?

    Reminds me of drinking a Corona one time in front of my Spanish speaking brother-in-law.

    He looked at me and said, “If you’d seen where they package that “shit” like I have, you wouldn’t be drinking it. Might be a little horse piss mixed in.” 🙂

  164. Since sorcery is included in a list of things that if practiced would preclude one from heaven, this is a clear indicator that a Christian should not practice illicit drug use.

    That is a tired argument that many use to try and claim drugs are evil. I’m not too surprised you went there. But logically, I don’t see how you can conclude that. If it were the case, you would be cursed every time you filled a prescription, or bought over-the-counter drugs of any kind. Primitive cultures even see these ways of ours as sorcery.

    Sorcery was clearly practiced, and there are references including those involved. Most of the references claimed sorcery in conjuction with divination. In the NT in the book of Acts, we see Simon the Sorcerer becoming a believer and in chapter 19 the sorcerers that had repented burned all their scrolls. However, the inference is clearly regarding incantations that evoke the spirit realm. That is what is considered taboo. Remember, God is ALWAYS concerned that He gets the credit and focus.

    We know Luke was a physician. We also know there are references to medicine in both the old and new testaments. So I cannot conclude the sorcery references are referring to drug use, though some incantations may have involved drugs.

    The Galatians reference is very good. I would read from verses 16 through 26. Fits of rage, dissensions, factions, selfish ambitions, idolatry, jealousy, envy, etc., will all keep you out of the kingdom…

  165. OK, I’m sorry but if medicine is “sorcery” and forbidden, but miracles are a blessing then it sounds like to me some”one” is afraid of competition and wants a monopoly on healing.

    That aside, it seems to me that the most important word in all of this has yet to be said…”moderation.”

    In every example above, from Poolman’s pot to Tex’s sex…it’s moderation that separates it from a potentially healthy activity to one that might be less than healthy.

    Toad-licking, on the other hand, might not be advised even in moderation.

  166. Poolman, I didn’t say pharmacology or practicing physician was wrong. Good grief. Jesus himself was called the Great Healer & the Great Physician. There is nothing tired or worn out, because I doubt you’ve ever even heard that explanation. Yours is at best the understanding of a child – you simply aren’t capable.

    I said illicit drug use was to be condemned, just as being a drunkard is to be condemned. You are one person that should get off the internet – you are so easily taken in by really bad information.

    I know most things are Greek to you. So is your lack of ‘Greek’. This isn’t a matter of debate. “Sorcery” in the Greek is the word pharmakeia. That is where the word pharmacology is derived.

    That it doesn’t suit your fancy or could prove contrary to your rants doesn’t change its origin or meaning.

    It’s even mentioned as justification for the Wrath of God in Revelation 9….as in men would not turn from their sorcery, their senses being dulled.

  167. Huck, you don’t “moderate” the spiritual illegalities of illicit drug use anymore that you moderate adultery. Poolman and I are talking about where the issue leads, and his use of scripture (who knows why) to justify everything “natural” being good. That’s obviously not true. MRSA is absolutely natural.

    That is not to say, you can’t tolerate a moderate amount of an illicit drug use without irreparable harm. I’m sure Rabbit’s occasional reefer madness is easily physiologically tolerated.

    But I can assure you, contrary to what has been posted here, let’s not fool ourselves into pretending it is good for Rabbit, like a daily glass of red wine may be for the heart.

    You don’t light up a reefer to socialize. You do it to get high and escape – and there are long-term repercussions if done to frequently.

    There is absolutely no doubt many people, while not physically addicted, are psychologically addicted to weed.

  168. There is no negative effects of cannabis on me. Now that I cleared the air of that…let me get back to what I was originally going to write about.

    Maaaaan…….do you think fried ice-cream is a real dish in Mexico? I mean, how does fried Ice-cream even come to be? There used to be this restaurant Chi-Chi’s………uh…..what was I just talking about?

    Hey…………what if Dog was spelled C-A-T?

    Oh yeah, I remember now. These fucking new Late Night Taco flavored Doritos are awesome.

    Hold up.

    Quit naggin’ Ma! I told you I’ll fill out the app for the Westland Mall Pretzel Peddler….. I’ll get to it. Shit.

    Anyways, maaan……

  169. “You don’t light up a reefer to socialize. You do it to get high and escape – and there are long-term repercussions if done to frequently.”

    Aren’t there long-term repercussions if taking any drug too frequently? I can take a couple Darvocet for pain, or take a couple more to socialize, get high, or escape. And if I do that too frequently, it’s going to screw me up. The drug in itself is not “illicit.” What is illicit is the way I choose to use it.

    Wouldn’t the same apply to pot?

    I’m not about to argue that pot helps heart disease, but I think there is plenty out there to support the claim that it can be beneficial to some who could use a boost in appetite as well as many other problems. But like any other medicine, it has potential drawbacks that come with it.

  170. Poolman, sometimes you invoke God as central focus in supporting your argument in the strangest of circumstances and subjects.

    I see God in every circumstance and subject. I start each day asking Him to direct my words and steps. I expect guidance.

    Saying this as a Christian and maybe more so on account of it because I find it utterly embarrassing, even to me it seems unseemly, cheap and pandering.

    A Christian to me is one who emulates Jesus Christ and the example He set when walking on the planet in bodily form. He taught us to live in love and service to others. The Galatians 5:22-25 is how it should look in a true believer. It sets a very high standard.

    It surpasses all understanding and is not above embarrassment, unseemliness, cheapness, or pandering, nor does it subject itself to political correctness. It is not limited to certain days or hours or conscious or subconscious moments.

    Jesus was an embarrassment to many of the socialites in His day. He left it to us, His sheep, to carry on the tradition until the days of the Gentiles are complete. There is no “go ye therefore and be comfortable” verbage that I’ve found, unfortunately. 😀

  171. Speaking of wine… I think I will have some while I dig in to a couple episodes of DR’s Boardwalk Empire. The first 3 episodes I watched were pretty good and I really enjoy the period setting.

  172. OK, I’m sorry but if medicine is “sorcery” and forbidden, but miracles are a blessing then it sounds like to me some”one” is afraid of competition and wants a monopoly on healing.

    Medicines are here for our use. Some have been abused due to desirable effects they produce.

    There are real curses and blessings that incantations can manifest. You must understand there are other realms beyond what we can readily sense. Sorcery invokes the spiritual realm that exists and is done without going through the authority of God the Father. That is why it isn’t accepted. It bypasses the will of God. With God there is a definite chain of command. He is a jealous God.

  173. He’s also an angry God. That’s why I’m hoping he unleashes a lightening bolt on your ass followed by cosmic thunder that roars the words SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY POOLMAN! .

    Speaking of God. I’m so inconsistent about going to church. It sends a bad signal to my kid. I wish God would put some of that same cosmic lightening under my Sunday morning ass to get me there more often.

    I need to go or not go. Once a month is stupid.

  174. “By the way, as a side note, they discontinued Darvocet.”

    I was not aware of that.

    I used to take that years ago for pain after seeing the dentist. But I made them switch to something else because the stuff turned me into a MAJOR prick (even worse than I am already).

  175. Those pharma drugs have to kill a lot before they get pulled. There are certain calculated deaths that are acceptable. Some of that stuff has long-term effects that still can get you long after you quit taking it. 😯 BIG money in drugs. There is a real desire to prescribe them.

    We are the most drugged nation in the world, I think I read.

    So far no deaths from cannabis.

  176. I need to go or not go. Once a month is stupid.

    Go Saturday nights, if they have them. It’s usually done by 6:30, that way you have the whole evening and Sunday is always free.

  177. If your heart’s in it, it counts whether you go or not. But for your kid, your getting him there with you means much more for both of you.

  178. “Not atrial – ventricle. More deadly. V-Tach. Rapid heart beat starting in the ventricles. And mine was life threatening, as they found my heart racing well over 200 beats a minute while sleeping when wearing a monitor.”

    OK – that’s not a very common arrhythmia and I wondered if you meant the more common a-fib – which, as you say, is a lot more benign entity. I’m assuming they have you on drugs for it. If that doesn’t do the job they can implant a defibrillator/pacer. I have an older acquaintance who has that and it works just fine.

  179. I’m assuming they have you on drugs for it. If that doesn’t do the job they can implant a defibrillator/pacer. I have an older acquaintance who has that and it works just fine.

    Verapamil – a nice, generic calcium-channel blocker. Seems to have worked well now for about 25 years. The next step for me probably would be radio ablation and if that didn’t work, a pacemaker.

    I’ll probably drop dead for doing this, but about a year ago, I actually cut the medication in half after discovering by accident I was feeling much better during workouts when I missed my daily dosage of 240mg. I didn’t tell my physician until after the stress test. I asked him if he saw anything abnormal during and after the testing. He said no. So I asked him if he thought it possible I had changed the physiology of my heart after my aerobic exercise routine of going on 20 years – he said “probably.” 🙂

    This may be foolish, deadly foolish, but I pretty much gauge my cardiovascular health by the intensity of my workouts and how I feel at completion. And for age related performance, they have never been better. I’m pretty sure I could still run a 5K in 25:00 or so, which is pretty good for being over 50 and barrel chested like I am. At 35, I couldn’t do better than 23:00 minutes.

    I expect for some reason to die young, though I look young for my age. Call it a gut feel. And I think it will happen suddenly – like happened to a regular we had here last year that we all miss. One day you’ll come in and poof, I’m gone. It will be a glorious day for Poolman. 😈

    Other than borderline hypertensive and an apparently benign case of V-tach, I have no significant health issues that I am aware.

  180. Huck, major prick? 🙂 Did you know there is some great clinical evidence which is beginning to show that cardio disease is affiliated in many cases with mood swings similar to bipolar disorder and depression? Perhaps there is something to these “matters of the heart?”

    Perhaps you and me are both pricks because of it? Look at the bright side. It makes for a great excuse here! 🙂 Doesn’t work at home, though.

    Wouldn’t the same apply to pot?

    I’m not about to argue that pot helps heart disease, but I think there is plenty out there to support the claim that it can be beneficial to some who could use a boost in appetite as well as many other problems.

    Absolutely. But we are getting away from the original point, and I am finding the argument for health benefits pretty specious in the support of legalization of weed. So far, Pfesser’s argument as better substitute than alcohol is the only one I’ve found legitimate, because it gives a reason for legalization other than getting impaired. He may be right. When one out of ten adults is classified as alcoholic, and you witness the long-term effects of alcoholism, it’s ugly. I’ve already had one friend who drank himself to death at 46. None of them have toked themselves to death yet.

    But If we were to legalize dope for the medicinal benefits, then take a THC capsule for nausea, heart disease, cancer, whatever miracle it cures. No need to light up a joint. Take a pill. But we aren’t debating that, are we?

    Though I don’t find it a pressing issue, and doubt my world will change much if weed legalized – which for all intents and purposes, it is legal as Brother Rabbit stated, I have never understood the mindset of binge drinking or taking drugs to escape. Not only do you generally feel like shit afterwards, I always wanted to be in control of my faculties. Weed made me paranoid. Why would I want to be paranoid? I can do that straight up sober. The world is screwed up enough as it is.

    But if I have led you guys to believe that smoking weed interferes with my friendships or I am so prissy scold, it doesn’t and I’m not. I don’t think any less of Rabbit because he takes a few tokes. I’ve still got a few tokers around, including the family. I find them somewhat immature smoking dope at 55, but that is a different matter. And I appreciate the matter of freedom and liberty. There’s some legitimacy to that argument.

    I have tried every form of tobacco and liked about all of them. I dipped Skoal for 20 years, smoked on occasion before my wife caught me, and have a piece of Nicorette gum in my mouth as I type.

    I just don’t want to be around dope for no other reason than the rancid smell, which is to me is a hundred times worse than cigarette smoke.

  181. “Kinda makes me want to lick a frog.” . 😆

    El Tigre, stick to your cigars, much healthier. I never tried one but would enjoy sitting on the back deck inhaling the aroma. Love the smell.

    “Might be a little horse piss mixed in.”

    Tex, don’t you know that’s why you add lime to Corona

    “wonder if it counts for us Catholics on Saturday?”

    Okay Rabbit you really are out of the loop. Saturday night mass counts. Better hurry up as they are changing the language of the mass and you might think they are speaking in tongues
    http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_19419499

    For the record, I am not Catholic, just spent a few required years.

  182. For the Food Police like Michael Bloomberg, who get on my nerves these days. Heard this in a sermon this morning:

    Old Methuselah’s Diet

    Methuselah ate what he found on his plate,
    And never as people do now;
    He took no account of the calorie count;
    He ate it because it was chow.

    He wasn’t disturbed as at dinner he sat,
    Devouring a roast or a pie
    To think it was lacking in granular fat,
    Or a couple of vitamins shy

    He cheerfully chewed every species of food,
    Unmindful of troubles or fears
    Lest his health might be hurt by some fancy dessert,
    And he lived over nine hundred year.

  183. Lol…the Dead Rabbit has come out of the marijuana debate looking like Chong.

    I should probably clear the smoke a little here.

    I would NEVER drive with stuff on my person.

    I would NEVER even buy the stuff. EVER.

    I only have high grade weed in a jar. I’m talking melt your face off quality. Its the classic secret stash (my wife doesn’t smoke but she’s aware of it, I don’t keep secrets from the ol’ Lady)

    I love looking and smelling a beautiful bud much more then smoking it.

    I don’t smoke if I have family duties and I always have family duties.

    I don’t smoke outside of my basement or in front of anyone.

    Plain and simple: I very rarely smoke the stuff.

    Disclosure for the authorities: Dead Rabbit is merely a character played by an elderly lesbian. He is a fictional character. Any resemblance to a real person is coincidental. 🙂

  184. you and me… 🙄 My mother, besides being aghast at the content of my messages, would be even more grief stricken at the failure of her son’s grammar. And she tried so hard to be a good mother.

    Hey Tommy Rabbit! 🙂 I used to laugh and laugh at the Cheech and Chong albums on vinyl. Sister Mary Elephant.

  185. “Disclosure for the authorities: Dead Rabbit is merely a character played by an elderly lesbian. He is a fictional character. Any resemblance to a real person is coincidental.”

    We knew, Rabbit. We knew. . . 😆

  186. Given the ads on MSLSD where the evening line up all talk political-speech-like shit about how their “going to fight” for YOU or against some other perceived inequity, this is just funny:

    GQ thinks Ed Schultz is one of ‘The Least Influential People Alive’

    http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/gq-thinks-ed-schultz-is-one-of-the-least-influential-people-alive_b99225

    Followed by:

    Also on the list: Tia and Tamera Mowry (#4). (Tamera married Fox News correspondent Adam Housley over the summer); also Tina Brown (#17), John Boehner (#24) and Pres. Obama (#25).

    R, Congratulations!! You have finally been recognized as being more influential than the idiots you watch on MSNBC . . . and Obama.

  187. “While the president’s detractors will take perverse delight in GQ’s diss of him, I think a case could be made that he is one of the more Consider: Under his stewardship, the nation’s AAA credit rating was downgraded by Standard & Poor’s for the first time ever. By January of 2013, he will have added as much debt as all 43 prior presidents combined. Finally on his watch, the poverty level in the U.S. has reached an all-time high.

    I would contend that none of these “achievements” would be possible under a leader who lacked influence. Barack Obama has proved to be powerfully influential in much the way plague and natural disasters have impacted the lives of the many.”

  188. DR –

    Wasn’t it you that said you were a work-out-a-holic?

    My wife just can’t hack the ordinary bicycle seats and we’ve tried some different stuff, even the padded bike pants but she just can’t ride very far, even though she can handle it aerobic-wise, so our workouts are kind of poor.

    Do you have any experience with recumbent bikes or trikes? The trikes actually look more interesting, and since she is 5’2″ the bike puts her pretty far off the ground she is afraid of falling off the bike anyway. (We have tried smaller frames but she still can’t relax.) The recumbent bikes and trikes put your arse about a foot off the ground and take the weight off your sit-bones, so they look pretty good to me.

    Anybody else have any experience with these things?

  189. Seen a few Pfesser, but never even gave thought besides curiosity. Have you or your wife looked into switch bikes?

    http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2007/10/15/switchbike-city-bike.html

    Don’t know anything about them, but the concept is pretty cool.

    I got my notification that Helen wrote a new letter. Think I’ll let the old hens lie, because this one wasn’t overtly political and more old hen. But your link about the cancer vaccine was quite interesting – fabulous, in fact.

  190. “Did you know there is some great clinical evidence which is beginning to show that cardio disease is affiliated in many cases with mood swings similar to bipolar disorder and depression? Perhaps there is something to these “matters of the heart?””

    I usually just blame it on my period. That really pisses off the wife. 😉

  191. First off Pfessor, I think I’m over representing my work out regime on as well.

    One minute I’m Chong, the next Richard Simmons.

    I play basketball 3 mornings a week. Run on the tread mill twice a week. And lift weights 4 times a week, usually in my jeans. Play about a 100 games of softball a year.

    I’ll eat the ass out of a dead rhino, so I’m no health nut. I wish I was. I need to be.

    I look like a football player with ostrich legs.

    I do have a problem sitting on bikes and I bought one of these.

    I put on a massive gel seat. You sit down at all times on it.

    That being said, while its an awesome bike riding to the bar and back, its not really meant to be able to keep up with a hard core bike rider.

  192. One day you’ll come in and poof, I’m gone. It will be a glorious day for Poolman.

    Not today! 😆 Reminds me of the “Everybody Loves Raymond” clip
    where his mother says, “one of these days you’ll turn around and I won’t be here.” He does a quick spin and says, “Not today!”

    Well Tex, you read me all wrong if you think your demise would thrill me. There are some in the world where I think life would be much better if they didn’t exist, but experience tells me there would be someone else just as bad that would step in and fill the void.

    Anymore I just live life like it could be my very last day. No regrets.

  193. I usually just blame it on my period. That really pisses off the wife.

    Great minds think alike. I was being surly last night I guess, thinking about my wife and daughters leaving, and my wife was trying to be reasonable as always, telling me, “Don’t be grumpy.”

    I countered that I was going through male menopause…

    I’m not sure she bought the argument, but it did garner the Mrs. Taylor eye roll. And nobody does the eye roll better than Mrs. Taylor.

  194. Here’s what we are thinking about getting for her – the Villager. Ain’t cheap, but I figure every dollar we spend now we’re ahead, since soon the inflation will eat up everything we’ve saved anyway. Might as well buy things you want before the price goes up even further. Surely the cash is no good.

    What do you guys think of this thing. We are looking at the Villager. There are a couple of Youtube vids on the company itself; the main guy is a young mech engineer from south of the border. He’s a real visionary and hard working entrepreneur; I want to patronize him if I can.

    Tex – re: post @ Fat Grannies about Israeli cancer vaccine. I’ve always thought that surely there is a biochemical commonality to all cancers, since they all act the same way. Sure enough it looks like the JewBoys have found it, but we’ll see, we’ll see…

    The biggest problem with current chemo is that it knocks DOWN your immunity, when what you really need is to build it up. It’s hard to beat little cells that crawl (literally) over every cubic inch of the body looking for bad things and then eat the ones they recognize. You just can’t make a drug to do that – and why would you when you have macrophages, B and T cells as tiny Predator drones?

    A Dr. cousin of mine just died from old age, about 95 yrs old or so. He told me that when he went to med school in the late ‘thirties they told his class that the cure of cancer would come within the next ten years. (They also turned out the whole class to go see a woman with lung cancer; women didn’t smoke then and a female with lung ca was so rare the Big Doc told them they would probably never see another.) You’ve come a long way, Baby.

  195. Nice trikes. There are some riding those around here. Those and plenty of other styles of bike that look interesting. I like bike riding. My wife and I used to go all the time. Now that she is working full-time, we haven’t been going. We need to get back into the routine, especially now that we have this major bike trail right near our new place.

    It always takes a couple weeks for my butt to quit hurting after I take up bike riding again after a long pause. That is probably the biggest detractor. I have to sit on one cheek, then the other.

    Other riders have the split seats. Some have big tractor looking seats. They look more comfortable, but I don’t know. After a couple weeks, the little seat doesn’t seem to be as bad and I don’t think of it anymore.

    With three wheels on the ground, is it harder to move? 27 gears seems a bit overkill, but I guess that is where we are at with things. Hard to believe the bikes I mainly rode were single speed, though I did covet a 10 speed when they were first popular. I ended up winning a pair of 12 speed Schwinn bikes back in the 80’s.

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    I like this guy. Here’s common sense…

  196. You’re right about the immune system. But I always thought the problem trying to use the immune system to defeat cancer would be that even the cancerous cells would be recognized as “self”. I had an entire ass kicker of a test on mediated T-cells and MHC compatibility. And slowly over the last 4-5 years, I have forgotten most of what I learned.

    But if there are receptors on cancerous cells that are unique as the article seems to indicate, well then that is something entirely different manner. And if that’s true, I can see the possibility of producing a vaccine, along with methods similar to how they are now fighting HIV.

    Learning what I did about the cell cycle, it is a wonder we all don’t develop cancer at a young age. I think Pfesser, they are going to find most of these debilitating diseases are immunologically related before it’s through, possibly precipitated by viruses or other little nasty bugs.

  197. Poolman –

    My bike is a decent, fairly cheap mountain bike that I have modified with a front disc brake and some lights for riding at night. We have a really nice rail-trail close by (which you are not supposed to be on at night, but I get off work too late in the winter to avoid it). Regular bicycle saddles are really hard on your sit-bones. I got rid of the regular seat immediately and put a nice wide gel seat which I call my lard-ass seat, but it makes the bike ride-able. My friend I ride with kids me about my seat but my ass isn’t as hard as his.

    My poor wife has gained some weight and even with a lard-ass gel seat like mine, she is incredibly uncomfortable. I switched that out for a wider bench-seat-looking thing, but since it is sort of square and there is nothing between your legs like there is with a regular bike saddle, she feels like she is going to fall off all the time. I’m looking for options; we both are not getting any younger and need to exercise, but when it is a miserable experience it’s hard to get motivated. I think the trike might do it and hopefully we’ll have it a lot of years to amortize the expense.

    As for your question, the trikes are a few pounds heavier than a bike, but that is offset by a more efficient overall setup. When you sit upright, if you weigh 200# all you can push down on the pedals is #200, but the trikes let you push back against a backrest and you can push much more. It also has a much lower profile and the wind drag is much less; wind drag is most of your resistance when biking. Just a 2mph breeze the wrong way changes my speed drastically. All bike speed records are held by recumbent bikes.

    Didn’t mean to go on and on there; I’m doing a lot of research right now so do I have some information to share.

  198. I’m going to have to find a different form of aerobic exercise before too long. I’m starting to develop some arthritis in my knees, even bouncing my ass on the cushy treadmill. It comes and goes for no apparent reason and may be related to runner’s knee syndrome.

    I rode bikes everywhere as a kid, and even in college back and for to class, but I haven’t ridden in years. Bet my butt wouldn’t take ten minutes of it now. When mom retires, I would like to find something like you and your wife do together, Pfesser.

    We also have a very nice park about a mile away, but it is for walking and running, not biking. Sometimes we do walk the dog when mom is home, and it is about a four mile walk around – just right.

    In Houston, my wife literally has Bush Park out her back doorstep and bikes for miles never leaving a path. That is one part of Houston she certainly will miss. That, and the nightly tennis with her girlfriends now that she is no longer impeded by her husband and children. No wonder she’s in no hurry to retire.

    Doctor in waiting in school down the pike that she’s incredibly close to, cute little place to live she never has to clean, a husband not demanding food and extraneous physical activity, no dog, no whining or hassles, and a job where she does as she pretty much wishes for pretty good money.

    Now that I think about it, why the hell would she want to move home? 😈

    And I have to hang Christmas lights this week. Hanging Christmas lights by yourself is about as enjoyable as getting your colon scoped. I curse the entire time. Every time I think I’m through, another string goes out, damn icicles stuck in the guttering . I would as soon as have a root canal, truth be known. Bah humbug. 😡

  199. And speaking of projects, any of you woodmen like Gorilla ever worked with aromatic cedar planks? Those 3 3/4″ types by 4′, tongue and groove, you can buy at a lumberyard or Home Depot?

    I keep playing with the idea of converting our front entry way closet into a cedar closet before Christmas as a surprise, then I get lazy. We used to have a large cedar closet in our old house that I really liked.

    You can buy 15 sq ft for about 30 bucks, but the reviews are mixed, the damn things are only 1/4″ inch thick, and people complain about 1′ foot pieces being hidden in the middle. What the hell do you do with a 1′ foot piece of cedar on 16″ centers? Sorry bastards. The closet is no more than 75 sq ft., but I don’t want this turning into some expensive home project, where you end up getting to buy 20 bundles when you should have needed no more than six.

    What is a real bummer is the closet is about 50″ wide by 30″ deep. Why the hell couldn’t they have made it 48″ inches wide? Then the thing would have been a piece of cake. 😡

  200. My wife hasn’t mentioned Christmas decorating this year yet. I’m certainly not going to bring it up. Years ago, my girls would help decorate. Even after they were out of the house, it was like a tradition. One where I was only asked to power everything up and help put away when the time came. The past two years it was me and the wife. Me reluctantly and with her directing. 😐

    I may just get by without the misery. 😀 I am not into the commercialism of the season anymore. I see through all the marketing MANipulation™ that is everywhere. No shopping for me, I’ll make my gifts for the few that will expect them. The good thing about this time of the year is you can get away with sharing Jesus without too much flak.

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    Those bikes have me intrigued, Pfesser. I’m certain the price would scare me off. Keep me up on the latest you find out, and what direction you go in. Meanwhile, there are so many bikes in pawn shops and on Craig’s list out here, it seems crazy to want new. So far none like those, however. I have a friend’s bike that I ride and my wife has one that our old neighbor gave her, as they never rode. Occasionally I visit the local bike shop and check out the merchandise.

    I remember my first big black Huffy bike I got for Christmas when I was in Hawaii. Then I lusted after the banana bikes and finally saved the 35 dollars needed to buy one named “Cheeter Slick” It was orange with white stripes. Really Boss! I was in heaven and I put so many miles on that thing. Good ole days!

    I was perusing the Reverend Billy youtube videos and came up with one where he had a “Coal River Revival” in Charleston and it featured this band with their song “29” honoring the coal miners that died last year. I figured it was pretty close to home for you. This band is pretty good. I’ve been trying to listen to more of their stuff. Unfortunately the youtube audio and video quality is hit and miss.

  201. Christmas 2011

    Think outside the box.
    Support your local small businesses.

    Ideas to consider
    1. A gift certificate from your local mechanic for an oil change
    2. A gift certificate from your local hair salon or spa
    3. A gift certificate from your local deli or bakery
    4. A gift certificate from a local lawn maintenance crew for an elderly neighbor
    5. A gift certificate from a cleaning service for your elderly parents
    6. A gift certificate from a local organic farmer
    7. A gift certificate from a local computer geek to upgrade or repair electronics
    8. A gift certificate from a local gym or yoga or pilates class

    These are just a few ideas but if you think outside the box you can come up with many more. Got a friend who knits, how about a gift of yarn from someone who raises sheep or goats and weaves. Support your local arts and crafts community.

    We really don’t need to support China.

    Happy Holiday shopping and with these ideas you’ll have a smile on your face rather than feeling like the Grinch drudging through a mall.

  202. See Poolman, we had a common interest – the late 60’s and early 70’s. I too had the banana bike that I scratched and saved for with a paper route – mine was orange with white stripes, but it seems it was called the “Orange Crate.”

    About 13, I switched to the 10 speed, moved away from the Schwinn’s into the french made crap – expensive as all get out and a piece of junk (Gitane?).

    So now I have another 10 speed in the shed (back to Schwinn), not having rode in 30 years, but it follows me around from house to house. I don’t even recognize the new bikes, but we went through the entire gamut of the kid’s bikes, just recently removing another from the shed when my daughter at medical school had her’s stolen for the second time. 😡

    Daddy doesn’t just have to do Christmas lights. He also gets to go get the “real” tree – another huge ripoff, of which is a pain in the butt to dispose of – you’re fed up with the commercialization; I’m fed up with commercialization and the phony hassle.

    Truly Christmas has lost its luster for me – hence, me saying Thanksgiving has turned into my favorite holiday.

  203. Thanks for the heads-up, Poolman. Yep, I think I told you that I worked in that mine during the summers in college. It was called Montcoal #7 Mine then. When it blew up, one of the first bodies they pulled out was my high school best friend. We were inseparable pals then; we even planned for months and lost our virginity on the same bed the same night. (not the same time, mind you! Now that I think of it, four people lost their virginity there and then.) Wow…so long ago… He later married the girl I was with that night and they had several kids together. Even though they later divorced she called me first thing when she found out he was killed. Damn. Damn. Damn. Life shouldn’t be like that.

    I’m generally pretty capitalist but that coal company, A.T. Massey, is the poster child for corporate greed. Their CEO is named Don Blankenship; he grew up hard in those coalfields and BECAME hard; he doesn’t give a good god damn about anybody or anything except making money. Bastard.

    I used to wonder why old people were such sourpusses. Now I know: it’s because they really understand how grim life is.

    Anyway, I think I’ll look on eBay for one of those trikes; thanks for the idea!

  204. we had a common interest – the late 60′s and early 70′s. I too had the banana bike that I scratched and saved for with a paper route – mine was orange with white stripes, but it seems it was called the “Orange Crate.”

    Cool. Yeah, I had to have it to be “cool”, since all the other kids had them. It was tough to do a wheelie on a conventional bike, and that seemed to be real important at that age. Imagine orange where this one is green and I think my fenders were chrome. We also could ride 2 to a seat and occasionally one on the handlebars, as it seems we were always taking on passengers. I even remember washing and waxing the thing regularly.

    As for decorating…

    We quit the tree thing several years ago. I like the pine smell, but the cost was getting crazy – 25 dollars for a cheap one. We bought living ones a few times and ended up using one of them two years in a row, but those were like 40 bucks and maybe three feet tall max. Years ago we would go to the woods and cut our own. Nowadays, if you do it legally and get the permit, it costs the same as picking one out of a lot. It was always family fun to hunt for our own, but we often settled for less than perfect form. And form is important for the overall look and how the lights and decorations hang, etc.

    When the kids were at home, we always had a tree. After they moved out, we would put one up for the grandkids. But they have other grandparents here and they don’t really appreciate the effort it takes to go through all the motions. The neighborhood holds some really elaborate displays. Plenty of folks really overdo. But that is my opinion. They are fun to look at. A few in our neighborhood just put the Halloween decorations away and put out the Christmas ones. Halloween has become almost as ostentatious anymore.

    The past years we had picked up a bunch of the LED lights. It makes all the others we have seem a bit trite. That LED is wonderful technology and the color is so vivid.

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    A.T. Massey, is the poster child for corporate greed.

    I thought that was BP Halliburton Goldman Sachs. 🙂

    Pfesser, there is another youtube of that song that has the lyrics and the lists the names of those who died, along with some stills of the memorials. I just preferred the live acoustic version of the song.

    What was the outcome/ramifications to the owners of that mine? Did they just pay a fine, or has the tragedy caused conditions to improve? I guess I could do a search, it just seems we have so many situations that occur and we never seem to get back to them. Something new comes up and time passes. Like the BP oil leak, some say it never has been sealed and oil is still coming up on shorelines.

    You should be able to find plenty of used wheeled offerings at Ebay or Craig’s list. I think I need to research first what kind or brand of bike I want, then search what is available. I’ll probably have to try them out, since cool looks are not as important as performance. Prices are all over the map, even for the same make and model. Happy Hunting!

  205. Poolman –

    The last I heard, AT Massey made Blankenship resign. He is a real hard-nosed sonofabitch – the night watchman at my hospital was in his high school class somewhere in Mingo County, WV I think he said. Blankenship was raised by a single mother – a very rare thing in the ‘fifties – and had a very hardscrabble upbringing with very little amenities. Bobby said Blankenship was a brilliant student, not very friendly, kept to himself. He ended up with a law degree from Harvard, but never absorbed the liberal culture. He still has a hick accent, but speaks perfect English and Knows His Shit. He is not afraid to fight, either – I mean a physical fight. Never smiles, never backs down – a worthy adversary, in the mode of Satan as a worthy adversary.

    Multi-multi millionaire. He decided that the WV Supreme court was too liberal and personally funded the election of Brett Benjamin in order to get rid of Warren McGraw – the liberalest liberal to ever liberal a lib.

    My nephew-in-law works for Massey. It is non-union and a very stressful place to work. Jobs are scarce there and they basically work the men to death and couldn’t care less about safety. Massey’s M.O. is to fight each and every safety violation in court to the bitter end; the law allows the mine to keep operating while litigation is in progress, so they just keep fighting even when they know they are wrong.

    I miss that place, but in the way you would miss Albania: you cherish your childhood but know it is different now, that you will never be back and you don’t want your kids there.

    If you ever wonder why West Virginia is like it is, get “Matewan” – a John Sales movie starring James Earl Jones. Hardly anybody knows about the Mine Wars now, or how the Hillbillies were treated by the mine owners – and their own state government, which was in cahoots with the mines. It’s really something to see.

  206. Being we had a bad winter, I’m guessing we’ll drop $125 for a tree this year, five bucks to the 13 year old who can’t hardly lift the thing (nobody pays me to get it into the house) and drags it to the truck, a few more bucks to have that mesh wrapped around it so you can get it home. The tree is pretty for about two-three weeks, of which of course daddy being here by himself has to get down and crawl below the tree with ice water 2-3 times a day. My youngest daughter insists – beautiful girl, sweet kid, very good student, spoiled brat. And as always, mom is on board too.

    I have to admit, after years of collecting Hallmark stuff and being my mother-in-law was quite the seamstress with the Christmas stuff before she passed away unexpectedly, the tree is gorgeous when the girls get done with it. Here’s our modest little house with a world class Christmas tree and indoor decorations. The outdoor decorations kinda suck because I do them. 😈

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/21/the-funniest-christmas-de_n_399485.html?slidenumber=1ryEF2WJuwo%3D&slideshow#slide_image

    Then I have to cut the damn tree up to fit into trash cans after the New Year. Grab the saw, get out of the loppers. We used to take them to the lake for fish shelter and crappie fishing, but that was before the folks got rid of the cabin some years back.

    Another bah humbug.

  207. Hey “Rutherford”,

    I saw today where your pal David Frum has threatened to leave the GOP (guffaw, he left in 2008, why not now?) if Jon Huntsman or Mitt Romney not the nominee. And I thought about your love affair with Frum, the mark of death for any Republican, as a RINO just a Donkey out of costume.

    And being you’re about my age, I knew you would appreciate this remark today from Iowahawk about David Frump leaving the Republican party: 😆 😆

    “David Frum threatening to quit the GOP is like Dr. Smith threatening to quit the crew of Lost In Space.” ~ Iowahawk

  208. Pretty impressive! We NEVER got that elaborate – close sometimes, as my girls kept adding more as we got closer to Christmas. I like the neighbor’s “DITTO”. 😆 Lazy butt! The house we were in had 3 trees we planted in the front yard that the wife insisted we wrap the trunks with “blinky” lights. It did look pretty cool, but what a pain!

    We have more Christmas trees in the 40 to 50 dollar range, the last time I went and bought one. I just always refused to pay that. There are also places in different parts of town that the price is just normally higher. It isn’t unusual to subcontract all Christmas decorating to companies that do just that. More and more people are getting in on that.

    The wife always added aspirin to the tree’s water. They seemed to hold the needles for a good while. Of course, one of the cats always thought it needed to be climbed. We quit with icicles on the tree after cats ate them and had streamers coming out their butts. 😆

    We have city wide tree disposal zones, anymore. They “recycle” them, chipper/shredder style. They got tired of finding them beside the road, in empty lots, or filling parking lot dumpsters. We even have boy scout troops that will come haul them away for a donation.

  209. If God made these “drugs”, they serve a purpose. The key is in raising your kids to respect all things under the sun.

    Oh good googly moogly, for heaven’s sake.

    By most people’s account here God made the sun. Does that mean you’re supposed to stare straight at it for twenty minutes at a time?

    Taking the religious view of things for one moment, God made lots of stuff … God made mushrooms that can kill you if you eat them. God made a bear that will rip your arms off if you f*ck with it. Does that mean you’re supposed to cozy up to a grizzly?

    There might be some interesting reasons for legalizing pot but the fact that God made it ain’t one of them. 😐

    P.S. I picked a good weekend to max and relax and stay off the blog for a bit … I’ve always been terrified of drugs so unlike many of you I’ve never smoked weed nor done any other chemical abuse. The only time I got slightly drunk was at a restaurant where the damn waiter kept topping off my champagne glass and I just kept drinking not keeping track of things. I knew I was in trouble when I started to sign my first name on the travelers check “Mandalay” … that was the name of the friggin hotel. 😯

    Anyway, I can’t attest to any personal knowledge of pot’s benefits or detriments. The only reason I support legalization is that the war on drugs has been a more colossal clusterf*ck than the war on terror. That’s my contribution to the discussion based on my limited personal experience.

    P.S. Hope everyone enjoyed their long weekend.

  210. LOL on the David Frum comment. I know … a sensible Republican is no Republican at all.

    Randomly: This would probably scare the sh*t out of you Tex but if I exert too much, I easily get up to 130. In fact, it was a scared sh*tless doctor five years ago that sent me to the ER for tachycardia, only to be left for dead in the ER and revived by tracheotomy. Ahhhh the good old days. Anyway, I still hit 130 if I combine exertion with stress with low O2.

    Not a fan of the smell of cigarettes or reefers.
    I HATE the smell of cigars.
    I LOVE the smell of a pipe.

    If I were to take on any tobacco related vice, it would be pipe smoking. The closest I come is my nebulizer twice a day. 😦

    P.S. I really think turning 50 back in June has done a mind-f*ck on me. I feel like I’ve aged ten years since then. I’m hoping 2012 finds me more chipper.

  211. There is a house in an adjacent neighborhood that has gone so overboard on the Xmas decorations that it looks like they’re putting on a yard sale. I swear every square inch of their front yard has some Xmas sh*t on it. A big friggin inflatable Santa plus at least a half dozen small ones.

    I don’t want to be a scrooge but aren’t there ordinances against that sort of thing?

    As an aside … to anyone here who has similarly decorated their home or plans to … my apologies for my “intolerance”. 😐

  212. I have but one Christmas icon: the annual all-day “Christmas Story” marathon!

    “Deck the harrs with barrs of horry, far rar rar – ra rar – rar ra.”

  213. The funniest movie of all-time in my book Pfesser – even funnier than Animal House. I’ve seen it so many times, I have the lines memorized, and I still laugh every time I watch it.

    FRAG-I-LE’. It’s a major award! I triple dog dare you. No, that’s them Balsams over there.

    Even the role characters are funny.

    About half my nastiest retorts here on the Rutherford Lawson board were learned from A Christmas Story.

    And who ever knew in 1983 that Darren McGavin and Melinda Dillon could be that funny?

    Truly a classic.

    P.S. Poolman – The Ditto would be mine! 🙂 I was trying to find you guys a picture of my funny friend’s house down the street, who rolled his stringed lights up in a giant ball and laid them on his roof. Truly the funniest Christmas light picture I’ve ever seen. Hilarious. Can’t find it.

  214. Tex –

    Every time my wife sees the scene with Randy’s arms stuck out because of heavy winter clothing she says, “That’s me. That is what I looked like growing up in Wisconsin.”

    That’s also why she has lived in Virginia for the last thirty years.

    I found out how they got the kid’s tongue to stick to the pole. They drilled a hole and hooked it to a vacuum pump.

    My buddy that got killed in the mines did something similar when we were in eighth grade. He arrived at school and showed me his tongue. There was a thin strip of hide gone. When I asked him what happened, he said he was trying to lick frost off the clothesline. It was below zero temperature and his tongue stuck. Hell, we didn’t know it would do that. He got so panicked that he jerked his head back and left a strip of his tongue frozen to the clothesline.

  215. Ahhhhhhhhhh, this was a great break- and well needed.

    Interesting comments. Turns out Piss Pot is Pot Head. Who knew 😉 ….

    Raji, great ideas every one. In fact, that is exactly what I’m doing this year.

    Rabbit, great sailor song. Between sailor songs and Irish tunes, one can be entertained for hours! Alice! Alice! Who the fuck is Alice?!

    R, don’t put too much stock in Frum or Sullivan. Both claim to be conservative, both repeatedly demonstrate that they are not. If they were to leave the party (which assumes they haven’t already) who would notice? Or care?

    R, I am curious though. Maybe it was commented on earlier and I just missed it, but what are your thoughts on the Chevy Volt investigation? Obama’s flagship ‘green’ company Solyndra- bankrupt. Obama’s flagship ‘green’ vehicle the Volt- up in flames. If you were a ‘green’ company- or any company for that matter- would you want Obama within 150 miles of your facility?

  216. I found out how they got the kid’s tongue to stick to the pole. They drilled a hole and hooked it to a vacuum pump.

    Really? Too funny. I think many of us could relate to Randy being a swollen tick.

    Tell you what I could surely relate to in that house – the furnace and about a hundred plugs into one outlet – it’s a wonder everyone of those homes didn’t burn down. That was my grandparent’s house.

    I think one of the funniest things in that movie (and there are a million) are the sounds they used. The scene were Melinda Dillon is asking Schwartz’s mom where he learned the F dash dash dash word, and the accompanying scream from the phone by Schwartz’s mom makes me laugh every time.

  217. The Ditto would be mine!

    It figures! 😆 Once a smart ass…

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    By most people’s account here God made the sun. Does that mean you’re supposed to stare straight at it for twenty minutes at a time?

    Ridiculous! Just because I mention “God” you think all logic and COMMON SENSE goes out the window? Respect. If we teach RESPECT of everything, that teaches us to “handle” everything with a proper understanding of the help and/or harm it could offer, or, in the least, approach everything with a desire to understand and coexist with it.

    Do you know anyone that willingly stares at the sun? I think it is common sense NOT to. It only takes a minute of doing just that that one realizes it’s not only painful, but useless. If someone does so more than that, they harm themselves. That same self-destructive action manifests in other forms in a “sick” society, with suicide taking top “honors”.

    Rutherford, I did not know you were so naive regarding hallucinogenic experiences. I guess MSNBC is the only mind-altering experience you’re familiar with. 😀

  218. Gorilla, these garage fires?

    Makes me want to run out and buy me a subsidized Volt. How about you? 😆 Haven’t read anything that well engineered since – oh the Pinto that exploded when you ran into the back of it.

    I fairness to GM, which I wouldn’t buy after the 1980s screwing I took from them if they were the only manufacturer on earth…

    I actually hear they’ve ruled out the battery and think it may have been the charging system itself. Still $41K for a Volt?

  219. re: Pinto

    I was a big Johnny Carson fan and he was always doing Pinto jokes during the trials – when was that? Late ‘seventies?

    You couldn’t get away with something like this now, but I remember his stand-up one night back then: “Ford has changed its defense tactics in the Pinto cases. It is now saying the Pinto was never intended to be an automobile.

    It’s really a portable, five-passenger stove.”

  220. Nader’s Unsafe at Any Speeds detailed (to some extent) the Corvair. The Pinto followed (and supposedly highly exaggerated risks for tank failure in rear end collisions).

    You can thank trial lawyers for ensuring cars don’t explode on impact (although I know you never would).

  221. LOL G, good to see you have a sense of humor but what the heck prompted that?

    Regarding Christmas Story (which I’ve also seen probably a dozen times) the most cathartic moment is when Ralphie beats the crap out of the bully (what was his name … Scott Farkus?)

    And of course there’s the criticism of consumerism as poor Ralphie discovers that his secret decoder ring ends up decoding a … commercial. 🙂 (Something like “Eat your Maypo”)

  222. I hadn’t heard about the Volt being a fire bomb. I actually learned how to drive (at least partly) in the family Pinto. Needless to say it never detonated on us.

    Tech breakthroughs go through trials. I hope no one here is implying that the battery powered car should be abandoned and we should remain slaves to oil simply because some setbacks have been encountered.

  223. “You can thank trial lawyers for ensuring cars don’t explode on impact (although I know you never would).”

    I think you overstate the case – in both the Corvair and Pinto instances. The trial lawyers were hardly White Knights.

    Do you want to see a cogent discussion of the Pinto issue? Take a look at what my Man Milton has to say about it:

    I think you will find that foreign competition has done far more to advance automotive design than all the trial lawyers together ever thought of doing.

  224. “I hope no one here is implying that the battery powered car should be abandoned and we should remain slaves to oil simply because some setbacks have been encountered.”

    No. There are too many other good reasons not to embrace it beginning with cost and sub par performance.

  225. Hey BiC,

    I demand another installment of the “come back” story you told about big banks.

    Come on, man. I love Rocky.

    Plus, who cares about even the most basic and fundamental machinery of the Republic.

    Come on man! Its a great under dog story and you told it so well.

    13 billion is quite the Secret Santa!

  226. “I think you overstate the case – in both the Corvair and Pinto instances. The trial lawyers were hardly White Knights.”

    Imagine that. PF doesn’t want to give credit to lawyers (or apparently the victims themselves). I guess I am prophetic. 😆

    Although I am Friedman endorser, I am not planning on watching the 7 minute video. What does it say and why does it detract from my point? There’s more than the Pinto in production, you know? I recently encountered what happens with seat back failures (principally on Daimler Chrysler) with a 7 year old girl who had severe brain damage for years then horrible death when her head struck her mother’s when the seat back failed in a rear end collision of 5 miles per hour. The award was based on a default judgment against the manufacturer after the trial court struck it’s answer to the lawsuit for concealing information in discovery that showed it was aware of the defect but ignored it.

    Are you prepared to tell me the market corrects these defects on their without the risk of uncertain punitive damages awarded? The industry has shown the exact opposite. The same happens with pharmaceuticals as you should know (but will unquestionably discount).

  227. No. There are too many other good reasons not to embrace it beginning with cost and sub par performance.

    Tigre, you truly remind me sometimes of the folks in the 1930’s who said “television? No it will never be popular.”

  228. “Imagine that. PF doesn’t want to give credit to lawyers (or apparently the victims themselves). I guess I am prophetic. :lol:”

    No, you are just incorrect.

    re: girl with horrible brain damage. Yep, the favorite technique: the anecdote. We all have anecdotes, don’t we?

    I think it is more enlightening to hear arguments and then decide which is more persuasive. That’s what I appreciate about Mr. Friedman’s logical reaming of the young man in the video. Simple, straightforward logic, not anecdotes. Certainly changed MY POV on the matter.

  229. I find it amusing that Tigre spends much of his “post” time defending his profession. 😀 How many other professions need defending?

    The prosecution rests – NOT. Once a lawyer…

  230. I love how El Tigre sings the praises of lawyer’s influence on car makers making safer vehicles but in the same breath will call for deregulation in various areas.

    Nothing like consistency! 🙂

    Lemme guess … your brother says the Volt is a hopeless endeavor?

    So, since you discount the promise of the battery, do you have any ideas that will get us off the oil teat?

  231. R, you remind me of someone that was pleased with their 1980s Chrysler K-car. 😆

    😈 Which puts the Chrysler K-Car in better light than Obama. It certainly performed better than Obama.

    Too good Tigre.

  232. I didn’t know my off the wall comment about the Pinto would be a new thread worthy.

    That Milton Friedman video is another classic. That puffed up crusader with the Sally Fields doo, stupid enough to match wits with Milton and expect to come away unbruised, was my generation’s version of Occupy Fail. The prepared rant, followed with a quid pro quo, followed by the slumped shoulders and bug eyed look of a dumbass.

    Friedman was truly ahead of his time. And he was absolutely right. Americans have some of the most unreasonable expectations concerning cost, risk and reward.

    I think that in large part explains why so many refuse to accept how much of a failure nanny state government really is. Not only are the clueless to its real cost (tax the rich?), but upon the clear failure still demand more of it.

  233. Depends which oil teat we are on. Apparently, libs would rather suckle at the teat of the Sauds instead of the Canadians. This oil pipeline from the sands is a no brainer of the 1st Order.

    Or maybe they would prefer we turn off about 70% of the world’s power overnight? Which I would happily be in favor of and surely comply if libs….

    (1) Refuse to drive.
    (2) It’s their neighborhood and their hospitals where we turn the power off.
    (3) We start the process in L.A. and Manhattan.
    (4) They aren’t allowed to move out of the area once the power turned off. It would be a great test to see how much their air quality changed while we were at it.

    🙂

  234. The amount of money the central bank parceled out was surprising even to Gary H. Stern, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis from 1985 to 2009, who says he “wasn’t aware of the magnitude.” It dwarfed the Treasury Department’s better-known $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP. Add up guarantees and lending limits, and the Fed had committed $7.77 trillion as of March 2009 to rescuing the financial system, more than half the value of everything produced in the U.S. that year.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-28/secret-fed-loans-undisclosed-to-congress-gave-banks-13-billion-in-income.html

  235. “You can thank trial lawyers for ensuring cars don’t explode on impact (although I know you never would).” – ET

    This brings up a point I have wondered about. How does the issue of tort reform go down on this blog? Does the normally chummy conservative faction split on this issue, given the resident barristers?

    Possible next post, R?

  236. “Lemme guess … your brother says the Volt is a hopeless endeavor?”

    Who needs his brother?

    Volts are worthless pieces of shit. We wonder why Detroit didn’t want to invest its own money in retooling for this crap?

    Here’s why.

    And news like this isn’t going to make it any better.

  237. “I know you conservative types are usually not into organic stuff, but studies have shown that smoking pot is supposed to help your heart AND fight obesity.” – P

    How could something that inspires you to sit on the couch all day, eating Spaghetti -O’s raw from a can while watching Gilligan’s Island marathons possibly fight obesity?

    BTW, Mary Ann, no contest.

    This will make you happy, Tex. Barney Frank announced his retirement. They said he’s seventy. That dude doesn’t look seventy to me.

  238. “So, since you discount the promise of the battery, do you have any ideas that will get us off the oil teat?”

    No R. Our only hope is an overpriced sub par car that is financed with tax dollars because there’s not enough market demand to make it a viable product on its own. Same thing with solar panels. Got me. 🙄

    So R. Show me where the contradiction lies in my comment about trial lawyers and regulation. Since they’re not the same, I’d really like to see it. Just one.

  239. No, you are just incorrect.

    re: girl with horrible brain damage. Yep, the favorite technique: the anecdote. We all have anecdotes, don’t we?

    At least mine was based on personal experience. But Okay. It didn’t happen and design defects don’t exist PF. Nader had it wrong. Got me. 🙄

  240. I think the Milton video is good. Someone had posted that one before here or elsewhere, I don’t recall when or why. He does put the situation in relatively clear perspective.

    Risk is something we all deal with everyday. Minimizing risk and weighing the costs of avoiding or pursuing events is something we do, often at a subconscious level, all the time. It is a part of our naturally learned deductive reasoning. At least it should be. We have lost some of those natural “defenses” by isolating ourselves in an artificial reality where we’ve come to expect society to protect us from harm.

    In a modern industrialized world, risk is often shared and leveraged against potential benefit. That Pinto, in example, may be a safety risk the buyer is willing to take, but it will also impact the other drivers and passengers that occupy the same roadways. The very inclusion of motorized vehicles in our society poses risks to all of us, whether we participate in their use or not.

    Now let’s talk foreign policy and risk. 😯

  241. R, I will go back and watch PF’s video since he says it argues against Nader apparently.

    But it makes me wonder what Friedman would say about the Volt.

    (not really — we all know what he’d say).

  242. Thor, I see where your Zags are ranked. My Cowboys looked like a fine high school team at the NIT. They’ve got real talent – but 80% of that talent is freshmen and unproven sophomores.

    Perhaps 2013.

    But Kansas is better than I expected. They should have beaten Duke if Tyshawn Taylor wasn’t playing brain addled…

  243. “Who needs his brother?

    Volts are worthless pieces of shit. We wonder why Detroit didn’t want to invest its own money in retooling for this crap?”

    Amen. (I just wanted to remove the bias).

    R of course drives an electric or hybrid car. Right R? Right?

  244. All the Milton Friedman videos are good. I think I had posted that one Pfesser provided here a couple of years ago to mock Rutherford.

    Milton’s at his best in front of a bunch of mindless libs. Kind of an Ann Coulter with benevolent grandpa demeanor, so smart you wouldn’t know you’ve been humiliated until watching yourself on tape.

  245. Come to think of it, I know a lot of obese and overweight folks that DON’T smoke pot. Hmmmm…

    So what? Trading one bad vice for another. You can be a speedball addict and be really skinny. I haven’t seen too many meth heads that are overweight either. We going to attribute that to good health?

    I know of a guy who lost 27lbs eating mainly Twinkies, Doritos chips, sugary cereals and Oreos to prove that it is not so much what you eat, but how much you eat. Everyone of his biological regulatory stats improved, including LDL Cholesterol.

    Those tests are meaningless without a control group.

  246. “R” is a Nazi. 🙂

    Beamer and Benz – tall cotton. 😉 Speaking of that Mr. Rutherford, neither of those are what I would call eco friendly, you little devil. You sure you’re not a closet Conservative?

    I see you in a Miata with a scarf around your neck and the top down, listening to NPR.

  247. Thor, everybody in America but those Bostonian sodomites that continually vote for Bawney should celebrate today – even if you’re a Dim. I guarantee you the entire state of Massachusetts wouldn’t vote for the man, or Butter Butt would have already run for a higher office. You’ll get a better Dim in the House in return.

    There is nobody more corrupt, crooked, and nasty than that little ghoul. From ties with Fannie to male prostitution rings, the man is a national disgrace that should have been run out of Washington years ago – Anthony Weiner times ten.

    You Dims should be grateful he’s gone – Frank is an albatross around your neck and provides for more ammo to your opponents than he is worth.

  248. BTW, Mary Ann, no contest.

    Absolutely. With women, we apparently agree. I always kind of had a crush on her as boy. Same with Bobbie Jo on Petticoat Junction. 🙂

    And Barbara Eden is still my all-time favorite.

  249. Well, I watched the Friedman video. Obviously you didn’t PF. Review the comments at 5:12.

    But anecdotally, I was told by a surgeon friend that radiologists miss things more than other types of doctors.

  250. R of course drives an electric or hybrid car. Right R? Right?

    Like that proves anything. 🙄 Do any of you own one and have first hand knowledge of its problems? Probably not. I’d definitely consider one down the line. Right now we drive a 2004 (I think) BMW and a 1998 Benz. With money tight, we won’t be buying another until one of the aforementioned outright dies.

    I’m not a huge fan of buying any technology in its first release. Most stuff is buggy until it’s gone through a few releases.

  251. I watched some of the Frank press conference. He says a big influencing factor was redistricting which dumped 300,000+ new constituents in his lap which he says he can’t do a lot for in only two years. (He was planning on the 2013/14 Congress to be his last.) So basically he retired one term earlier than planned.

    I feel bad for you guys. One less object for target practice. 😐

  252. “I’m not a huge fan of buying any technology in its first release. Most stuff is buggy until it’s gone through a few releases.”

    WTF??? I thought you were a proponent. Put your money where your mouth is. It ain’t gonna design itself. Give to the cause R. Hell, maybe just buy American. . . 🙄

    But before you do, please square your comment about regulations and lawsuits — perhaps you too should review what Friedman was actually saying since you don’t seem to get it.

  253. “:Do any of you own one and have first hand knowledge of its problems? Probably not.”

    Nope just anecdotal — unless looking at its price and ratings online counts.

  254. Tigre, I am quite sure you will disagree with my logic but here goes:

    Either we agree that people/corporations are influenced to do the right thing for fear of punishment if they don’t, or we say deterrence is a myth.

    Seems to me that you want to give credit to the power of deterrence when it comes to potential lawsuits against auto makers but you don’t want to give any credit for the power of deterrence when it comes to regulating companies and financial institutions. I think, for a lawyer, you are strangely inconsistent in your belief in the power of law.

    Now I will concede a point that I lost to Tex in an earlier debate. If regulations are not enforced then they are worthless.

  255. “but you don’t want to give any credit for the power of deterrence when it comes to regulating companies and financial institutions. I think, for a lawyer, you are strangely inconsistent in your belief in the power of law.”

    What are you talking about? Seriously. Point me to something I said that even comes close to this or is this more of the “you’re speaking out of both sides of your head by implication” bullshit?

  256. “Do any of you own one and have first hand knowledge of its problems?”

    Who cares? Anecdotes are not a substitute for facts.

    And the facts are that the market does not like the Volt.

    Which means Detroit was correct in not wanting to spend its own money to make them and that the government was wrong in spending our money on them.

  257. perhaps you too should review what Friedman was actually saying since you don’t seem to get it.

    Review is the operative word here …. I haven’t viewed it the first time yet. I haven’t been commenting on Friedman, only on you.

    I shall watch it now while I smoke my “pipe”. 🙂

  258. “And the facts are that the market does not like the Volt.”

    Well now. Unless you have another alternative to the “oil teat” than battery power then you should buy a Volt (says R).

  259. “I feel bad for you guys. One less object for target practice.”

    No worries. The Democratic party is still full of idiots who think we have 57 states and that islands will sink if too many people are on them.

  260. “I shall watch it now while I smoke my “pipe”.”

    It’s called “smoking PF’s pole” R.

    I now see that you don;t understand what “regulations” and “law” are as you accuse me of being “strangely inconsistent” in my beliefs about “the power of law” (whatever the hell that means).

    You know, I have a friend that’s a computer programmer and he says that programmers don’t understand the law.

  261. “Either we agree that people/corporations are influenced to do the right thing for fear of punishment if they don’t, or we say deterrence is a myth.”

    It depends on the punishment, wouldn’t you agree?

  262. Well color me confused. I don’t see how Pfesser thinks Friedman proved his point that lawyers didn’t influence positive safety measures in autos.

    As a side note, the video is truly a classic. As I think Tex said, old Milton sits up there and with a smile on his face completely shows the snot nosed kid what an amateur thinker he is. And yes, without any Ann Coulter snark and therefore 100 times more effective.

    Look, the kid’s outrage is understandable but Friedman points out that the answer isn’t easy. How much is a life worth? How much expense to prevent death is too much expense?

    It also was interesting that the kid had his undies in a knot about Ford not valuing life while he was admittedly pro-abortion. LOL

  263. No worries. The Democratic party is still full of idiots who think we have 57 states and that islands will sink if too many people are on them.

    Like the Communists said in the 1960 Olympics before the 4×100 meter relay team, “All they got is Bob Hayes.”

    And the American track coach replied, “What more do we need?” 🙂

    Barack Obama will always fill the role of bulls eye as head useful idiot. We train on people like Barack Obama.

  264. What are you talking about? Seriously.

    I’m running on what I believe to be your general philosophy Tigre. So fine, let’s set the record straight. Is it not your contention that there is too much government regulation that is interfering with business? If I’m mistaken, I apologize and I look forward to seeing you argue the point with your fellow conservatives, Tex, etal.

  265. Who cares?

    Huck I was responding to Tigre’s implication that my NOT owning one made me a hypocrite for defending further investment in the technology. I countered that no one else here owned one and could therefore claim any first hand knowledge of its shortcomings. I was the one challenged for lack of my own anecdotal defense of the technology.

  266. I have a friend that’s a computer programmer and he says …

    LOL your friends are really coming in handy today Tigre. 😉

    I must admit your earlier comment about the surgeon’s disdain for radiologists cracked me up.

  267. ““Either we agree that people/corporations are influenced to do the right thing for fear of punishment if they don’t, or we say deterrence is a myth.””

    Seems to me that “the right thing” would consist of policies that lead to the self-sustainability of a company over the long-term.

    So “the wrong thing” would be forcing companies to take on policies that go against that.

    Such as policies that needlessly drive up the cost of the product while giving the consumer absolutely NOTHING for the extra money they spend (READ: legacy costs).

    By the above logic, another “wrong thing” to do is to bypass the “punishment” aspect of unsustainable bad business practices by rewarding them with bailouts.

    I think we can all agree that companies should do “the right thing” or “be punished.”

    As usual, where we differ is in the definitions of “the right thing” and “punishment.”

  268. “Is it not your contention that there is too much government regulation that is interfering with business? If I’m mistaken, I apologize and I look forward to seeing you argue the point with your fellow conservatives, Tex, etal.”

    First R, what I said about your owning a hybrid is called sarcasm. I suggest you go back and look at what you extrapolated from my initial comment for an explanation a to why it was employed here. You made some comment about my alleged disparagement of batteries from my comments about what a piece of shit the Volt is.

    As for regulations, there are too many regulations. Is this your “all or nothing” MSNBC debate style approach to what I said about carbon emissions? If so, I pity you for lacking the ability to differentiate between the concepts.

    So please point to the regulation invoked in Pinto (or Corvair) cases or hell the Daimler seat back failure I described (from personal experience) that you are equaling with anything I have said.

    Link it up R!

  269. Huck you are scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with R’s comments about regs v. laws. He doesn’t even know what he’s talking about and seems to think they are fungible.

  270. “I think you will find that foreign competition has done far more to advance automotive design than all the trial lawyers together ever thought of doing.”

    Proof?

  271. re: the Volt. Clearly in its present form, it’s a POS. I rarely give the govt credit for anything, but occasionally it does invest in things that turn out to be a good thing. Like the Internet, for example. If that were entirely privately funded, good luck getting over 2kbits/sec; high bandwidth would go entirely to Citibank, etc. Spinoffs from NASA and the space program have paid for the program many times over.

    I think everybody agrees that the faster we get off foreign oil – particularly oil from unstable Middle East countries, the better we will be. Of course the answer is electric propulsion, but we don’t have batteries that are up to the task. It seems to me that govt incentives to move us in that direction are not all bad. Sometimes political realities have to take precedent over the Free Market it seems to me; getting us off oil seems to be a high priority if we want a prosperous, peaceful future. They want us out of their countries; good, so do I.

    As for the Volt, yes, it’s not very good. But it is a beginning. There is a story of an early barnstormer who flew around the country in his homemade airplane. A farmer asked him What good is it? He replied, What good is that boy with you? Well, nothing now, but someday he will be a man. Exactly, said the pilot.

    Someday the electric vehicle will be all growed-up and I believe the investment will have been worth it. We’ll see.

  272. PF there’s no shortage of prototypical electric vehicles. The Volt sucks. There’s no shortage of solar panels either, hence the Solyndra debacle.

    So what do you think Friedman would say of the overpriced POS being manufactured at Obama’s direction in Detroit?

  273. ever notice the keys on an ATM have braille on them. Now why do you suppose that is?

    To keep lawyers from suing banks for not accommodating the handicapped?

    So they can steal you blind?

    Tactile stimulation?

    Just like elevators… It’s a legal requirement for public access.

  274. “There is a story of an early barnstormer who flew around the country in his homemade airplane. A farmer asked him What good is it? He replied, What good is that boy with you? Well, nothing now, but someday he will be a man. Exactly, said the pilot.”

    Who funded that homemade airplane? The government or capitalists?

  275. Poolman, have you ever heard of the ADA? If so, who drafted it and where did the civil penalties for non-compliance came from and why? So lawyers “steal you blind?” 😆

  276. I think the bigger picture to consider regarding the electric cars is the powerful energy industry that has so vehemently opposed them.

    It is an prime example why we cannot make any progress on all technological fronts. The profit motive. Capitalism rules.

    No air polluting gasoline engine meant no oil monopoly for Rockefeller and the Standard Oil Company. No oil monopoly meant no excuse for Rockefeller to own the U.S. government, and no excuse to be involved in foreign countries . . . especially those surrounding Russia.

  277. “LOL your friends are really coming in handy today Tigre.”

    Not really. I just make them up like PF does with all of his “prosecutor” friends when he wants to bolster a completely erroneous proposition like when you can tell someone is guilty by looking at them or why a jury supposedly ignored testimony because the accused was. . . “accused.” 🙄

  278. Poolman, have you ever heard of the ADA?

    I’m very familiar with the ADA. It adds compliance expenses to every publicly accessible business. It’s why I can’t park close to the trail head when I go mountain hiking.

    If so, who drafted it and where did the civil penalties for non-compliance came from and why?

    Lawyers, court cases, law suits.

    So lawyers “steal you blind?”

    That was snark directed at the banksters, that other group of wealthy middlemen. 😉

  279. “Lawyers, court cases, law suits.”

    Three strikes.

    The fact that it’s an “Act” should’ve clued you in. 🙄

  280. I’m with Rabbit and still don’t see why we aren’t gearing up for NGL/NG products. Efficient and abundant. Propane would be better than wind and solar.

    The wind farms have proven pretty much a boondoggle – even T. Boone now admits that – he tried, as he said. Photovoltaic isn’t the answer and never was because of the dependency of the inner mechanisms. Silver?

    But alternative forms of hydrocarbons. Build the places to fill them up and produce the product that consumes them. Honda is already doing it and the Civics I looked at were only about $5,000 more expensive than the luxury model.

  281. Tigre opined –

    “Not really. I just make them up like PF does with all of his “prosecutor” friends when he wants to bolster a completely erroneous proposition like when you can tell someone is guilty by looking at them or why a jury supposedly ignored testimony because the accused was. . . “accused.” :roll:”

    I’d really like to know where you went to law school. You weren’t first in the class, were you? Isn’t the first thing they tell you is never propose something unless you already know the answer?

    SHOW ME WHERE I SAID ANY OF THAT. ANY.

    (In fairness, I am getting ready to hand your head to you – again – counsellor. You already bit the dust once – the Jim Adams case that you accused me of making up, remember? By the way, I just had a pleasant 45-minute conversation with the mythical prosecutor who put him away for – I think – 185 years? hmmm…maybe that’s when he is eligible for parole…)

    Go for it, big boy. Telling fibs like those above only convinces people that lawyers are crooks – (not that it’s that hard).

    Maybe you should take up another line of work. Argument doesn’t seem to be your game. I know, maybe we could have a spelling contest.

  282. Tigre, Obama “directed” the production of the hybrid? Tell that to GM who made a hybrid Saturn in 2007. You’re acting like there was no interest in developing this technology until Obama came along. Nonsense.

  283. And who wrote that ACT?

    You’ve got to be kidding.

    Bring it PF. Any comments on your Friedman video? And while you’re at it, try your hand at what I said — and it wasn’t about the existence of “your case — the one that “didn’t involve your “friend the prosecutor” . . . (but I know you’d like to make it that so you can claim to “school” me with your profound debate skills, i.e. “look, here’s an article on a case involving someone I know”). You don’t really need me to restate your proof about the jury you know nothing about under the rules of witness sequestration do you?

    R, I am not “acting” like anything other than Obama’s quid pro quo for the GM bailout. You think I didn’t know the Volt was being developed before the bailout? Cut the shit.

  284. Ah yes. PF, July 21, 2011 at 5:07:

    “I testified in a Medicare fraud and abuse trial in St. Louis many years ago. I have few talents, but teaching is one. But the problem is that you can only make complicated things so simple. The jury convicted this guy; I had reviewed his charts and they were pristine – far better than mine – and he was absolutely innocent. His crime? He had pissed off local power brokers. (Long story). Anyway they polled the jury later. Their response? “We didn’t like Dr. A’s testimony because it was too complicated and we didn’t understand it. We didn’t like Dr. B’s testimony (mine) for the same reason. But we figured if the US Govt charged him with five counts he must be guilty of one, so we took it easy on him and convicted him of just one.”

    Called to task, PF at 8:01 the following day:

    “How do you know that? (All I have to go on is what the Doc’s lawyer told me later, since I did not participate in the polling. I suppose the lawyer could be lying…don’t know why he would do that.) I suppose it is also possible that you, not being there, COULD know more than people who WERE, but I don’t think so.”

  285. PF September 25, 2011 at 5:29:

    “An old friend is a prosecutor in southern WV; she told me flat out that, if she wants to know whether someone is guilty of a sex crime, she just looks to see if they are regular churchers – especially some of the crazy Pentecostal sects. If so, 99% of the time, she has her man.”

    Does this prosecutor friend also have the goods on Palin like you blogging buddies? 😆

  286. You’ve got to be kidding.

    Not really. I’ve read the Act. It was either written by lawyers or paralegals (the grunts that generally do the heavy lifting). It also provides an ongoing federally mandated platform for countless court cases and lawsuits.

    Cha-ching!

    It was enacted against the wishes of business and religious organizations primarily due to the excessive costs involved in forced compliance of its general requirements.

  287. If you’re going to be a blowhard, at least have the decency to carry a tune…

    (thanks to UAWtradesman from M&H for the link) 😉

  288. “It was either written by lawyers or paralegals (the grunts that generally do the heavy lifting).”

    Act = Legislation = Congress.

    Lawyers didn’t decide amongst ourselves that a ATMs have to have braille or toilet seats a certain height. Creating law and interpreting it are different things — paralegal or not (although I assure you a paralegal doesn’t “draft” legislation).

    So blame R and other regulation lovers that created the rules and enforcement mechanisms that you find so appalling yet were set in motion by design. 😆

  289. “I’ve read the Act.”

    You couldn’t possibly have read the body of regulations spread across multiple agencies that ensure compliance with the ACT (from transportation to building design to employment etc. etc.).

  290. So blame R and other regulation lovers that created the rules and enforcement mechanisms that you find so appalling yet were set in motion by design.

    Well, I won’t blame Rutherford. That would be nonproductive. And since Bush 1 signed it into law and Bush 2 signed the amendment to it, it doesn’t necessary look “liberal” to me. Anti-private business – yes. It kind of surprises me conservatives haven’t watered it down.

    I never said I find it appalling.

    You couldn’t possibly have read the body of regulations spread across multiple agencies that ensure compliance with the ACT

    Another assumption? I have read it as it applies to employer and employment requirements, commercial and public building design (including commercial and semi-commercial swimming pool design requirements). I have not read it in respect to transportation except where it applies to parking and access from parkingfacilities.

  291. But anecdotally, I was told by a surgeon friend that radiologists miss things more than other types of doctors

    😆 😆 😆

    Hilarious (ps: yep, they do but don’t tell them)

  292. “I have read it as it applies to employer and employment requirements, commercial and public building design (including commercial and semi-commercial swimming pool design requirements).”

    Well, that’s a fraction of them. But good for you. State and Fed, right?

    (I am kidding — I would again assume that a swimming pool contractor would deal with ADA requirements on a perfunctory basis in many instances — but much of it from local building code requirements).

  293. FWIW, for obvious reasons I love the ADA. Makes my life a helluva lot easier.

    That’s why I abhor it. It makes your life easier. 😉 No, not really. Though I have to admit, some of the regulations are beyond stupid on a small business.

  294. Tigre,

    Commercial and semi-commercial swimming pool design requirements are much more restrictive than residential ones. In some cases we have instituted commercial requirements as standard for residential projects, when possible, even though the current laws don’t require it. There are many regulations in addition to those found in the ADA.

    For semi-commercial projects built prior to the current rules, the expense to bring them to compliance is often huge and many places don’t until faced with being fined or shuttered.

    I have read the ADA regulations as they apply to projects I bid. They are required to be listed on all approved architectural plans and in the MCESD (local health department) commercial pool permit packet application. MCESD is the local enforcement for compliance in our industry.

  295. Then I can look forward to hearing that you’ve been sued blind.

    Then it will benefit me to have braille on ATMs. 😆

    You look forward to it, eh? What percentage of your cases involve the ADA?

  296. “What percentage of your cases involve the ADA?”

    Zero.

    p.s. my comment was related to the “appalling” part. I would assume that if the purpose was to allow lawyers to profit on your financial demise you would consider it appalling. Who knew you didn’t?

  297. “You got to love established lawyers. They are able to spend the whole work day defending the merits of their day at work…. ”

    Good one.

    Now get the facts on suing teachers, would ya? 😆

  298. Teachers bore me so much I think I want to see them sued.

    🙂 I think that is why I like you – an absolute straight shooter and his own man. If I’ve come across as a critic of teachers, understand my beef isn’t so much with teachers – there are great ones and horrid ones, like every other occupation.

    I honestly believe you could have the smartest people in the world teaching in these classrooms, and until you have a better quality kid arriving at the school, groomed by a better quality set of parents, the public system will continue to fail.

    My beef is for whatever reason, their unions chose to make the profession political, which I think has led to a great deal of dishonesty in reporting and structural administrative changes which are detrimental to success. They were stupid to do that, as are the police and fire departments.

  299. So PF, Adams was your x-ray tech from another state, Keller your old friend the prosecutor that put Adams behind bars, you testify for her regularly, and she tells you that if the accused is a religious zealot she has her man. Is that the story? If so, it’s funny you never said that before. But it does explain why you would not address the “anecdotal” part of the anecdote as you (i.e. sex offenders are religious zealots according to your prosecutor friend).

    Handed my ass to me. Pfffft. 🙄

  300. Poolman, had a chance to view your harmonica video. That was sweet! Amazing what that man can do on that instrument. I have always thought the harmonica a cool instrument, if you could play it.

    Thanks for providing that. If you guys didn’t watch it, do so. It’s definitely worth watching.

    Was that Bill Gaither standing beside him?

  301. You know, watching that song, kind of makes me feel sorry for you guys who never grew up in a Protestant Church. The good ones are worth attending, for know other reason than the absolutely beautiful music.

    You remember this Susan Boyle that became famous on American Idol? This is no exaggeration. I have heard that kind of talent from the most humble of people my entire life growing up in a Southern Baptist church. Absolutely beautiful voices that never pursued music, for whatever reason, aren’t famous, and you would never expect that kind of talent from a secretary, or a tool shop owner, or a machinist.

    The lady who sang at our wedding has a more beautiful voice than perhaps any I have ever heard. She just happens to be my wife’s friend for years.

    We had professional people coming to talk to us at our reception that were asking for tapes of the music in the wedding, Sue was that good. They were shocked.

    Carrie Underwood is the only one that ever rose to fame, yet she was hardly as talented as many I heard any given Sunday.

  302. An admission. I may have to apologize to my new pal Thor for a previous scold, and I may have to rethink this too big to fail bank operation. When I read this and there appears little control and oversight, and certainly little approval…I realize one man has way, way too much power.

    Hard to believe this hasn’t been a topic of discussion here today. I just got wind of this – which is maddening and terrifying both. Why in the hell are Ben Bernacke and Timothy Geithner still employed?

    The amount of money the central bank parceled out was surprising even to Gary H. Stern, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis from 1985 to 2009, who says he “wasn’t aware of the magnitude.” It dwarfed the Treasury Department’s better-known $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP. Add up guarantees and lending limits, and the Fed had committed $7.77 trillion as of March 2009 to rescuing the financial system, more than half the value of everything produced in the U.S. that year.

    Gulp. $7.77 trillion? Why was this not headline news two years ago?

  303. Amazing harmonica, eh? I got that from UAW at fat grannies. And yeah, Bill Gaither – you figured it out. I was never familiar with Buddy Greene. I just went through a bunch of his stuff and it is pretty impressive. The harmonica is tops.

    I’ll agree with you that some congregations’ vocalists that are not known can really sing, many much better than what you can hear on the radio. It is especially moving when they are uninhibited and just worshiping. It can be a goose bump experience.

    My wife can really sing, so I’ve been blessed. She did it professionally for awhile. Most of that was rock and roll and several decades ago. Today(Tuesday) is her 55th birthday. She’s ahead of me in this world by almost 6 months. Sometimes it’s better not to go first. 😀

    Of course staying together for this long, I had to learn humility…

  304. Sometimes it’s better not to go first. 😀

    Tell me about it – I’m married to an older woman – years in my case. 🙂

    I noticed over the weekend, the wife appears to get younger since she’s gotten away from me. It’s quite troubling but predictable.

    Happy Birthday to your wife.

    And thanks for the video – the harmonica was great – but it was even more enjoyable to find out that Buddy Greene helped compose my Christmas song. I listened to it three times, it was so good.

  305. Tex, I took a pot shot at BiC over it on my lunch break, today.

    I feel, while normally spot on, BiC in this case represents a huge open sour in the rank and file of the GOP: A refusal to acknowledge the great harm done by the bank bail outs.

    Our very Republic has been usurped.

    When you have monetary policy that has perverted checks and balances to such a degree, it should be a wake up for all of us.

    BiC, you are exactly the kind of guy we need on this shit like white on rice. If not people like you, then who?

    Instead we’re told the Big Banks are a great American “come back” story.

  306. Happy Birthday to your wife.

    Thanks. She’ll get a kick out it coming from you. Since she started working again she has upped her game from grandma homemaker with no makeup or fancy clothes to professional look including makeup and manicure, even dropped a few pounds she wanted to lose.

    Glad you enjoyed the Buddy Greene. I’ll have to pass on the kudos to UAW.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I tell you guys, we NEED to get these Goldman Sachs players out of our life. They keep fucking us and won’t stop until there is nothing left to pillage. The folks giving banks a pass are 1% wannabes or just plain ignorant. I’m ready to take them (the banks) down. Let them do time. Let’s roll!

  307. I’ll be honest with you Rabbit. On this particular subject, I have been quite gullible and too trusting. Too detached and poorly informed, because it never interested me much. It now has my attention.

    Though a skeptic by nature, I want to believe that our leaders always have America’s best interests at heart. I want to trust in America’s ability to rise where no other nation can rise, that our representatives will be led to do the right thing, that our history and our Constitution and our sacrifices would carry us, and we were too great to fail by any one man or administration. The last four years have made me so cynical, and it goes way beyond the mistake of electing Obama. He’s a symptom, but not the problem. McCain was little better, too stupid to be effective. Look at his dunce for a daughter. That speaks volumes.

    I never dreamed that politicians could be so warped and corrupted that they would literally sell our country out for 30 pieces of silver. That the Fed was more concerned with global interests than our own. That The Fed had no checks and balances, and that it would soon become apparent absolute power had corrupted absolutely.

    In short, I thought we were better than that.

    If you remember, when we first met back in 2008, I was for a short time in favor of TARP, because I had to have faith that our macro economists were accurately predicting that without the bailouts, there would be a run on the banks. I looked at it as a preventive step necessary to keep order. I actually thought for a short time without it, a run might really usher in soup lines and Depression. We were lied to.

    I do not blame George Bush. I believe he thought the same thing I did, trusted the same people I trusted. I still believe for all his shortcomings, Bush was a patriot who loved the country. I’m sure of it.

    Alan Greenspan and Ben Bernacke may have irreparably harmed this country to the point it will never recover. Obama is a bit player and a lackey worried about his own legacy and little else. Geithner is an academic farce, as are most of Obama’s cabinet. They have zero practical experience. Obama is a weak leader when we need a strong one. The timing could not have been worse.

    Newt Gingrich is not my candidate of choice, but he now is IMO our only hope. Barack Obama is the consummate politician and as slimy as his campaign funding. Did you ever dream you would see a candidate pimp merchandise to raise money? We’ve got a prostitute for a President. I have never seen anything as pathetic play out in Washington. And America yawns.

    We need radical change in this country, and somebody brash enough to not worry about the politics and carry through with the hard decisions. I have no idea if Gingrich the man, but I know for a fact Obama is not.

  308. Tex, what Christie fails to mention and what even some lib commentators lose sight of is Obama was explicitly told by the Super Committee to stay away because they felt his presence would further politicize and polarize the proceedings.

    So sorry, this claim that Obama chose to be hands off is bogus. I don’t blame Christie for making the claim because he’s probably just repeating what he’s heard in the media.

  309. Tex normally I don’t correct your minor slips but being a TV fanatic I must set the record straight. Susan Boyle did not appear on American Idol. She appeared on Britain’s Got Talent.

    BTW, Britain’s Got Talent has spun off an American cousin called … you guessed it … America’s Got Talent.

    Just sayin’.

  310. I must admit to a bit of irritation when I got texted on my phone today to buy Obama Xmas swag.

    Another bonus for NOT having a cell phone. Though NEWT 2012 keeps robo-calling my BUSINESS line, sometimes several times a day. I tried to get a live person to tell them that isn’t even legal. None of the other candidates have called the business, though a few have called the residential line. Thank God for caller ID and fax machines!

    I do so wish the NEWT 2012 was a live person. I’m itching to bullhorn their happy butt. Bastages!

  311. Geithner is an academic farce, as are most of Obama’s cabinet.

    I love you man (in a manly sort of way) but again you are talking out of your ass.

    From wiki I’ve highlighted in bold the only 3 years that could be considered “academic” in Geithner’s resume:

    Geithner worked for Kissinger Associates in Washington for three years and then joined the International Affairs division of the U.S. Treasury Department in 1988. He went on to serve as an attaché at the Embassy of the United States in Tokyo. He was deputy assistant secretary for international monetary and financial policy (1995–1996), senior deputy assistant secretary for international affairs (1996–1997), assistant secretary for international affairs (1997–1998).[7]

    He was Under Secretary of the Treasury for International Affairs (1998–2001) under Treasury Secretaries Robert Rubin and Lawrence Summers.[7] Summers was his mentor,[13][14] but other sources call him a Rubin protégé.[15][16][17]

    In 2002 he left the Treasury to join the Council on Foreign Relations as a Senior Fellow in the International Economics department.[18] He was director of the Policy Development and Review Department (2001–2003) at the International Monetary Fund.[7]

    In October 2003, at age 42,[19] he was named president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.[20] His salary in 2007 was $398,200.[21] As President of the New York Fed, he served as Vice Chairman of the Federal Open Market Committee. In 2006, he also became a member of the Washington-based financial advisory body, the Group of Thirty.[22] In May 2007, he worked to reduce the capital required to run a bank.[19] In November he rejected Sanford Weill’s offer to take over as Citigroup’s chief executive.[19]

    In March 2008, he arranged the rescue and sale of Bear Stearns.[13][23] In the same year, he played a supporting role to Henry Paulson, former CEO of Goldman Sachs, in the decision to bail out AIG just two days after deciding not to rescue Lehman Brothers from bankruptcy. Some Wall Street CEOs subsequently expressed the opinion that decisions in which Geithner participated, especially the failure to rescue Lehman, contributed to worsening the global financial crisis.[24] As a Treasury official, he helped manage multiple international crises of the 1990s[16] in Brazil, Mexico, Indonesia, South Korea, and Thailand.[17]

    Geithner believes, along with Henry Paulson, that the U.S. Department of the Treasury needs new authority to experiment with responses to the late-2000s financial crisis.[13] Paulson has described Geithner as a “very unusually talented young man…[who] understands government and understands markets”.[23]

  312. You know what bothers me about the latest Cain “revelation”? Why are we kicking a dead man? The mofo has dropped in the polls already. It is clear he will not be the nominee much less POTUS so why this “breaking news” from his 13 year long flame? Is it simply that the forces that be will not rest until he drops out?

    Someone on the news today said something that really resonated with me. Cain nor his family ever dreamed he’d really be a front-runner. He figured he’d stay around 8% tops and get enough exposure to sell lots of books. Suddenly the dude is on top of the polls and the skeletons come spilling out of the closet. His family did not ask for this. In fact, because he never expected to be taken seriously, technically, Cain did not even ask for this.

    Every feminist has every right to call the dude a scumbag if all we’ve heard is true but damn I still say this is a human tragedy.

    But then, I thought the Weiner situation, particularly for his wife, was a human tragedy. Maybe I’m just too damn empathetic?

  313. Tex I think your link is the second time someone in this thread has posted about secret Fed money going out to the tune of trillions. I agree with you. If this story has any legs, it is disgusting and disturbing.

    What should also give us pause is some reporting (reliable? I don’t know) that we are telling Europe we’ll help them with their money problems. You’ve GOT to be shittin” me!!! As screwed as we are and we’re offering help to Europe?

  314. “His family did not ask for this. In fact, because he never expected to be taken seriously, technically, Cain did not even ask for this. ”

    It comes with the territory.

    Unless you’re a democrat. Then it gets covered up as tabloid gossip.

  315. “What should also give us pause is some reporting (reliable? I don’t know) that we are telling Europe we’ll help them with their money problems. You’ve GOT to be shittin” me!!! As screwed as we are and we’re offering help to Europe?”

    For someone who thinks car companies are too big too fail, I’m surprised you’re not all in for bailing out continents.

  316. Poolman Happy Birthday to your better half. You say she sang rock professionally. Would we know any of her work?

    Thanks. I’ll pass it on. She was in a band that did mostly covers and did local gigs in El Paso and Eastern NM. Bars, fraternities, private parties, stuff like that. I say professional because she got paid for it. She was a big time Zeppelin freak and would easily reproduce Plant’s vocals.

    No media recognition, audio, or video recordings exist that I am aware of. This was the 70’s. We do have some stills. The bass player was a Hare Krishna and his favorite band was Roxy Music, so they included some in their repertoire.

    Then she was part of a different group for a while in Lubbock. They had some real talent and two of the guys could write, but most of the time it was just one huge party. The practices were mostly ego battles where there was little agreement on what to play or who needed more volume.

  317. Huck, I was always of two minds on the auto bailout. I do NOT believe businesses should be bailed out. A cornerstone of capitalism is if you fail to sell your product, you die. Period.

    The reasons I supported the auto bailout were:
    1. The economy was already in the tank and the American auto industry dying would have made matters worse.
    2. (really 1a) There were so many ancillary industries connected to the auto industry that the domino effect of failure could have been devastating (parts suppliers, dealerships, etc,)
    3. The American auto industry was our pride and joy, as American as baseball and apple pie. There was a sense that this was our baby that needed saving.

    If those factors had not been at play (particularly the first two) I would have adamantly opposed the bailout.

    Unless you’re a democrat. Then it gets covered up as tabloid gossip.

    Again I say one word … Weiner. So give me a break.

  318. “There were so many ancillary industries connected to the auto industry that the domino effect of failure could have been devastating (parts suppliers, dealerships, etc,)”

    But this doesn’t apply to a continent?

    “Again I say one word … Weiner. So give me a break.”

    Oh yeah the MSM sure was crucial in breaking that scandal wide open.

  319. Tigre –

    Read your “proof” and quotes with much amusement. The college boys call that ICBM – “I cock-blocked myself.”

    Are you sure you went to law school? Maybe you just stayed at a Holiday Inn Express and forgot it.

    Carry on. You’re doing just fine. I’ll watch.

  320. “Handed my ass to me. Pfffft. ”

    I think I said “handed (your) HEAD to you, didn’t I?

    hmmm…Now that I think about it, it would be pretty difficult to do one without the other, wouldn’t it?

    Want me to write you a prescription for that new combination drug, ginkgo-viagra? Then maybe you can remember what the f*ck you are doing.

  321. Rutherford –

    re: Geithner. “Geithner believes, along with Henry Paulson, that the U.S. Department of the Treasury needs new authority to experiment with responses to the late-2000s financial crisis.”

    The resurgence in interest in a modified gold standard has got all these young Turks (Geithner, Bernanke et al.) in a dither. You ought to see Nouriel Roubini’s whirling dervish routine about it:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphbenko/2011/11/28/nouriel-roubinis-terrible-lapse-in-standards/2/

    What terrifies these guys is that a modified (not pure- that’s a bad idea) gold standard would effectively tie their hands from the more egregious “experimentation” – which of course is exactly what got us where we are now. Even Bernanke agreed. From the article:

    “The gold standard appeared to be highly successful from about 1870 to the beginning of World War I in 1914. During the so-called ‘classical gold standard period, international trade and capital flows expanded markedly, and central banks experienced relatively few problems ensuring that their currencies retained their legal value.”

    These ultra-elite are destroying us – mostly through their own hubris. They think it is just fine to suck all of our savings into the Treasury by the inflation of fiat money in order to satisfy their penchant for “experimentation.” God. They are so disconnected from the average American. Let them eat cake they say.

    In point of fact we MUST tie their hands as much as possible. I have come to believe through my reading that a modified gold standard – constitutionally mandated – would be the best long-term thing we could do for this country.

    I’m reading a new book now on how civilizations fall. The parallels of current-day America with previous empires are chilling. I’ll fill you in as I progress. Film at eleven.

  322. “Want me to write you a prescription for that new combination drug, ginkgo-viagra?”

    No thanks. Given your demonstrated lack of judgment I wouldn’t want you prescribing me or anyone else anything. In fact, I wonder whether you went to med school as opposed to just knowing someone that did.

    So your own words and claims are a problem for you. Anyone can go back and look at what you said oh Wise Sage of the Courtroom. Boy you really laid a smack-down on me. 😆

    Too bad there’s no making up for this one with more tall tales about the exciting porn-filled life you claim to lead when you’re not giving yourself credit for the heroic decision you made to aid in a family member’s abortion. Oh, and of course all of that testifying you do for your friend the prosecutor in her sex abuse cases.

    Nothing to say about your Friedman video either.

    Sucks to be you.

  323. Yeah boys. I have the day off. Jury duty…except, they didn’t want the wisdom of the Rabbit.

    I was looking forward to it. I feel like I got cut from the baseball team.

    Looks like we might have a snow day, Wed. Nice.

    I’ll sit back and hopefully watch gasoline go up in response to 12er assholes in Iran throwing a sissy fit.

  324. Okay Rutherford – Britain’s American Idol version. 🙄 Obviously, I don’t watch. You finally got me. This is the part of being a weasel I was talking about two weeks back – and the reason I am sure I couldn’t stand to be around you for long outside a blog, before choking the shit out of the booger nosed weakling at the back of the classroom craving for attention. What was that little thing called that sat at Jabba the Hutt’s feet and cackled?

    As far as your Geithner comment, I don’t think you understand the ties of Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers and AIG companies of the world with academia of Harvard, Princeton and Yale. These academics work as “consultants” or appointees and are often classified as ’employees’ when in reality they are nothing but liaisons. Being an understudy at the FED is not what I call true private sector experience.

    But that is unimportant, other than to say no more than a 1/5 of Obama’s cabinet and associates have real private sector experience. And that is far and away, the lowest of any administration in history. That 20% gives a big shadow of the doubt by calling someone like Hillary Clinton an “experienced” private enterprise employee, because she acted as attorney for a few years out of college.

    ———–

    Here’s my point. I don’t care if Dick Durbin told Obama to stay away because Obama is a “polarizing” figure. What President isn’t?

    At the least, Obama should have intervened when it became apparent the “committee” was faltering. The political equivalent of dereliction of duty, pal. To pass responsibility to the super committee was a facade, and apparently everybody but naive and mindless libs and the dinosaur media did not understand that. That’s called passing the buck…the only thing besides reading a teleprompter that Obama does especially well.

  325. Is this not typical and one of the biggest lies perpetrated by the clueless?

    2. (really 1a) There were so many ancillary industries connected to the auto industry that the domino effect of failure could have been devastating (parts suppliers, dealerships, etc,)

    As if somehow with the failure of GM, demand for cars would dry up, and all those part suppliers wouldn’t be able to adapt? Let’s take the bailed out manufacturer itself. Did the domino effect transpire when Pontiac and Oldsmobile dealerships went bye bye? How did we Americans ever recover without AMC?

    This one is a four star Pinocchio of economic illiterates and should be summarily laughed at.

  326. …” sat at Jabba the Hutt’s feet and cackled?”

    LOL. Jaba was too much of a business man for a lib. Rutherford would rather sit on Barney Frank’s fat gut, wafting in his accidental farts in his gay pleasure palace apartment.

  327. That was some fun duck shit! 😆 That first guy talking at me through his chaw was good, but I especially liked the second one. That guy’s a hoot. His “God given right to pursuit of happiness” is blowing a duck’s head off. And this one, “marry them when they’re 15 and they’ll pick your ducks for you, marry them at 20 and they’ll pick your pocket. 😀

    I’m glad to see you got your ducks all in a row. Here’s my duck joke:

    M R ducks
    M R not
    O S A R
    C M E D B D eyes?
    C M wings?
    L I B!
    M R ducks!

  328. Pfesser, it’s funny that you should post the Forbes article. Yesterday I was thinking, is the notion of a “peacetime America” dead? Hasn’t the “war on terror” given license to a perpetual state of war? We’ve declared war against no one. There are no peace treaties to be signed. Yet we use rhetoric like that of Mitt Romney in 2008 when he said it would be wrong to continue to challenge John McCain for the nomination during “a time of war”.

    I think the scary flip-side to the Forbes article is that while we may be at an all time low for violence … an all time high for “peace”, we have changed the definition of war in a dangerous way.

  329. The big problem Rutherford is that by the time folks like us figure out what the elites and politicians are doing, we are old and our information dies with us.

    For example, govts have been doing the same thing for centuries: after a revolution, personal freedom is at an all-time high and the politicians chastised. But over a period of time they exploit our fear of the “other” and keep pushing us into war – and of course it is during that time of fear they can get us to give up our rights and freedoms.

  330. Rutherford would rather sit on Barney Frank’s fat gut, wafting in his accidental farts in his gay pleasure palace apartment.

    Talk about an unpleasant image.

    Rabbit enjoy your unexpected day off. Plant yourself in front of that ScottTrade console and day trade yourself into the elite dude. Just don’t forget us little guys when you buy your mansion, yacht and string of “poloponies”.

  331. Thanks for the link in 429, Pfesser.

    This world is in the throes of revolution. This time it’s global. The undercurrent is getting much stronger. The youth are coming together in rejection of the status quo. This is an exciting time to be living! I am optimistic regarding what may result. More people are waking up. Truths are being revealed that better shape our understanding of how we got in this mess.

    Anyone with a hint of curiosity can now research our recent history and find that most of what we knew and were told was lies. Lies that kept us in line and dependent on our institutions for guidance and protection.

    I saw a headline in Yahoo this morning that claims the bullet introduced in court for the RFK trial was switched. Yeah. Couple that with the recent revelations of Howard Hunt’s son regarding the real facts of JFK’s assassination. Yeah. We’ve been duped, big time.

    Not a happy time to work for the government. Isn’t it like 35 to 40 percent of us that do? I think I read that. Yep. A whole lotta shakin’ goin’ on. 😉

  332. So G, during the primary season, the candidates are calling AT ducks and then in the general election, they’re calling TO ducks!!! ” – R

    Indeed.

  333. Thanks, Pfesser. I should have refreshed before posting. You guys are going to have to step away from the main stream media if you want real news. The MSM does offer some truth and occasionally it blows me away with a report. Fox does that so much, I HAVE to monitor it.

    The problem is most of what they present is either lies or fluff. How can one be sure? Well, researching history helps. Looking back and cross referencing data. But with current events, it’s a little tougher to separate truths from lies. It is wise to review several alternate sources and try to assemble reality. Everyone views things differently and therefore bias is usually present. The art is to see through the bias and still get the gist of the report.

    Those of you with full-time jobs are at a disadvantage in the information age. Though communication means and mechanisms have increased, it actually takes longer to procure the “meat” while separating it from vapid “fat”.

  334. Perhaps 2013.

    But Kansas is better than I expected. They should have beaten Duke if Tyshawn Taylor wasn’t playing brain addled…

    Tex, don’t give up on your CBoys yet. These young teams can mature a lot by March.

    Kansas looked tired at the end of that game. Missed free throws, poor decisions … tell tale signs. Coach K uses his bench as well as anyone, very important in a three game in three night tourney. He’s never lost at Maui. Could be different if they meet in the sweet sixteen with a week’s rest.

  335. But over a period of time they exploit our fear of the “other” and keep pushing us into war – and of course it is during that time of fear they can get us to give up our rights and freedoms.

    Shades of Ron Paul. One reason why I like the guy … the same reason he will never be nominated much less elected.

  336. Thor, I see where your Zags are ranked – Tex

    They might not be in two weeks. Their next six games include Notre Dame, Illinois, Michigan St., Arizona, Butler and the guys from down your way, Oral Roberts. 🙂

  337. Hey Poolman, I heard somewhere that RFK was actually killed by one of his incompetent security. From what I recall when Sirhan Sirhan started shooting, a security guy from behind RFK accidentally hit RFK with return fire. I seem to remember something about the forensics pointing to the bullet entering RFK from behind, not from in front where SS was.

    I always found that theory interesting.

  338. I think we need to rethink our elections. If much of our “workforce” is government employed, why do we let them vote? I mean, aren’t they going to vote to keep things like they are so they can continue to get a paycheck, benefits, and pension?

    It seems counter productive. Maybe it’s just me. I question everything anymore.

  339. Thor,

    Tex, don’t give up on your CBoys yet. These young teams can mature a lot by March.

    Oh, I haven’t. I’ll be surprised if they are not a tournament team by the end of the year, where they will be bounced in the first or second round from lack of experience and ignorance – if they stay healthy.

    Kansas looked tired at the end of that game. Missed free throws, poor decisions … tell tale signs. Coach K uses his bench as well as anyone, very important in a three game in three night tourney. He’s never lost at Maui. Could be different if they meet in the sweet sixteen with a week’s rest.

    Coach K is simply the best. Period. Self’s a great recruiter. 🙂 And this year, Self’s star recruiting class never made it to campus.

    Here’s my maddening experience with Kansas, being they probably should have won the last two titles – and certainly two years ago. They only have four players on that team selected in the first round and still choked against a ninth seed. 😡

    Kansas plays far better as the underdog. I don’t know why, but they really tighten up when playing as favorites. Been that way for 25 years. Their last two national titles were won as a sixth seed in 1988; three years ago when they won, if you remember, they were considered the “4th” team of the #1s to make it to the final four and barely eked into the final four after almost choking in the regional championship as heavy favorites.

    North Carolina was considered by the “experts” as a huge favorite, though the in the know guys (bookies) only had NC favored by three over Kansas. Kansas destroyed them, and then went on to beat Memphis in a classic.

    I expect they will do better this year than normal, but don’t have the horses to keep up with the top five or six.

  340. If much of our “workforce” is government employed, why do we let them vote? I mean, aren’t they going to vote to keep things like they are so they can continue to get a paycheck, benefits, and pension?

    Fair question, but why don’t you also have a problem with the 47% that pay no Federal Taxes (minus FICA)? Why should someone that has no skin in the game be able to vote for tax increases that they don’t have to share, but predominately benefit?

    Dimocrats have been buying elections by way of the disenfranchised since I was born. It’s why they win in large measure, but can’t accomplish anything of importance and are a bane of America’s existence.

  341. Thor,

    You climb mountains but complain about walking across the parking lot? WTF?

    WARNING: Don’t try to make sense of “it.” The logic will escape you no matter how hard you try.

    One other thing that always amused me. I’ve watched (especially women) people drive around a parking lot for five minutes to prevent walking a hundred feet.

    And you wonder why we are obese?

    Get this? I went to Walmart two nights ago to pick up a few items you can’t find in the grocery store (Equate nicotine gum being one). I went out to my beater with the mutt in it, and found a shopping cart pointed toward the cart bin provided, still about 10′ feet from the bin.

    I know people are worthless anymore. But they are so lazy they can’t even give one push?

  342. I thought it couldn’t get any worse up there in DC, but by God it can, I see. I had a little time to investigate SB 1867 and do NOT like what I see. Here is the ACLU link and a copy of my letter to my senator, Jim Webb. Before the arch-conservatives pounce on the ACLU, at least take the time to read their take on it and think for yourself.

    http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/senators-demand-military-lock-american-citizens-battlefield-they-define-being

    Dear Senator Webb:

    re: S. 1867 Sir: Every time I write to one of my Senators or Congressmen, the first words that occur to me are, “What the hell is going ON up there?” and this time is no different. Everything I have read about this bill tells me it is one of the scariest, most un-American pieces of work to ever come out of Washington – and that, sir, is saying something. I hear people defending it by saying it doesn’t apply to American citizens. Well, firstly it does, and secondly, it wouldn’t matter if it did or not – that is not how honorable peoples conduct themselves. I strongly urge you to do everything in your power to derail this abortion.

    Thank you, sir, for your time – and your service to this great country.

    xxxxxxxxx
    xxxxxxx, VA

  343. You climb mountains but complain about walking across the parking lot? WTF?

    WARNING: Don’t try to make sense of “it.” The logic will escape you no matter how hard you try.

    Okay, maybe I wasn’t clear. I was trying to point out how ridiculous it is to have 2 parking spaces dedicated to handicapped on a mountain trail that is too difficult for anyone with diminished physical abilities to even attempt. The grades and terrain are tough enough for the physically healthy. The trail takes you up 4000 feet in a mile and a half. If you travel back down the other side to complete a 4 mile loop, the first trek down is nicknamed “suicide hill”.

    This place I am talking about has maybe 20 “regular” spaces and then 2 handicapped spots. On busy days, people wait in line to park in those 20 spaces, while the handicapped spots are always empty.

    One time there was a vehicle parked in one with a handicapped indicator hanging from the rear view mirror. It piqued my curiosity, and so I kept looking back to see who would show and claim the vehicle. It ended up leaving before I got back down and no one along the trail “appeared” handicapped, that I could tell.

    But those “hangers” that folks have on their rear view mirrors is always suspect to me. I have a gal that I worked with who has one in her vehicle because her mother is somewhat handicapped. But she goes everywhere without her mom and gets the primo parking. I told her she better start limping when she gets in and out of her vehicle to “look” more legit.

    Really it points to other issues that just indicate how stupid we are. In this case, maybe 1 space would suffice, but the “Act” requires 2 based on how much parking is available. Personally, in this case, I think even 1 would never be used by anyone who actually is handicapped. I suppose they could come and hang out in the lot, but then what’s the point?

    We tend to establish “blanket” policies for simplicity sake, I suppose. Every circumstance is going to be different. When it’s a federal rule it is going to have many more circumstances where it should not apply. For instance, there are trails that are basically flat and easy to navigate. I could see those places possibly needing handicapped spots. Yet even that is silly. I mean, if you are there intentionally for physical exercise, why would you need a special parking spot?

    I know there are plenty who benefit righteously from these types of rules, but there are more that take advantage of this “VIP” treatment. I can go on and on regarding many issues that we treat the very same way. For those that would prefer I didn’t, I won’t. 😀

  344. Pfesser, from my reading, SB 1867 puts us at equal status to Iran.

    I wonder if there is a phenomenon that the longer you battle your foe the more you start to resemble him?

  345. PF,

    Go to THOMAS, the Library of Congress’ website, and search for the .pdf text of S. 1867.

    The “offending sections” that the ACLU site interprets incorrectly start on page 359. Read them very carefully, and then stop your hyperventilating, Nancy, because their reckless assertions aren’t true.

  346. Fair question, but why don’t you also have a problem with the 47% that pay no Federal Taxes (minus FICA)?

    Who says I don’t? The most wealthy are generally the ones that avoid paying their fair share. Loopholes abound. Simplify the tax code. Its complexity lends itself to abuse.

    The poor who don’t pay income tax pay more than FICA if they live in this country. Every time money changes hands it’s taxed and most of that goes to the feds.

    Why should someone that has no skin in the game be able to vote for tax increases that they don’t have to share, but predominately benefit?

    We ALL have skin in this game. Why should over half of the federal taxes go toward our military madness? The youth, who cannot vote, are the ones who will be the most affected.

    Fair. Everyone is always ranting on and on about “fair”. Fairness seems to have many differing values based on many varying perspectives. How about justice? Let’s start by making the “rule” makers follow the rules they make. That would be “fair” in my opinion.

  347. BIW –

    IANAL and am unqualified – as well as too unskilled – to unravel Senate legalese in this bill. However the ACLU is filled with lawyers who HAVE read the whole thing and ARE qualified to interpret its meaning. If they are willing to stake their considerable reputation on the interpretation they give on their Website, I will accept it.

    Unless of course, you feel that you are more qualified (to quote your post: “… sections” that the ACLU site interprets incorrectly…”) than an organization which has had no other business since 1919 than that of defending civil liberties, at which time of course I will bow to your superior skills.

  348. I hereby unretract 462. 😯

    Pfesser has a good point. Tossing us into the thick language of the bill BiW is a lazy ploy on your part. If you think the ACLU got it wrong, tell us why specifically based on your reading of the bill. Or is there a blog post in the works?

  349. PF, I read statutes for a living, and these much-vaunted ACLU attorneys are dead wrong in their interpretation.

    I know. They’re telling you something you want to believe, and I’m not, but your assertion that some ACLU flak who wants his or her name attached to a case can read the law any better than I can is silly on its face.

  350. Tossing us into the thick language of the bill BiW is a lazy ploy on your part.

    And not even making the attempt to read it yourself is lazy following on yours.

    If you think the ACLU got it wrong, tell us why specifically based on your reading of the bill.

    I already gave you your free legal advice for the month.

    Instead of simply accepting the ACLU interpretation, or mine, why don’t you go the extra mile and actually educate yourselves? Or at least do enough reading on your own to formulate intelligent questions, rather than simply skipping ahead and having someone else do all the work for you (and accepting without critical analysis whatever slips in with their interpretations)?

    Let me guess, PF…you had the time to look in to it, but not enough to form your own opinion?

  351. The ACLU and I have an agreement. They don’t read X-rays and I don’t interpret law. They rely upon my opinion – and I, theirs. It has worked swimmingly so far.

    I also don’t buy the ,”I read statutes all day and therefore I am more qualified in the narrow field of civil liberties than a huge organization whose entire expertise lies there.” Sorry. To extend the analogy, I don’t ask a chest cutter for his opinion on a brain tumor, and if a “statute-reader” disagrees with the ACLU’s entire legal department, he loses.

  352. I love how “having a little time to investigate” a bill doesn’t actually involve reading it. Representative Conyers would be pleased to know that he is so influential.

    I knew guys like you in law school. Actually reading and briefing the cases was too much work for them. Most of them were gone after the second semester.

    But hey, why read “Candide” or “Gulliver’s Travels” yourself? I’m sure the Cliff’s notes told you all you needed to know, and that the teacher couldn’t tell at all from your paper that you didn’t have a fucking clue.

    Sending that letter to your Senator isn’t very different.

    Except that you’ll never know the grade his staffer gave you, of course.

  353. Since BiW is willing to stake his life on the line that this proposed legislation is essentially benign, well that’s good enough for me. After all, he reads that gobbledygook for a living.

    Read it yourself. Educate yourself. Yeah, maybe if it was German, or better yet, Chinese. These new languages are all the rage nowadays, doncha know, ever since we abandoned plain English in our effort to achieve our current level of sophistication. 🙄

    Seriously, though. How come I can readily understand the Constitution and the Bill of Rights? You think the founders were not yet sophisticated enough to write any better?

  354. I’m sure the Cliff’s notes told you all you needed to know …

    ROTFL BiW I swear you are a mind-reader. I was just going to post the following comment:

    I never used Cliff Notes in high school or college but damn my tired over-loaded 50 year old brain could use them now.

    😀

    OK, I’ll grant you, going off half-cocked is NOT a good idea. When I wrote my piece early on about the tax collector found dead in the woods, I was relying on biased early interpretations of what had gone on. Dangerous.

    Now you’ve shamed me intellectually, damn you. I’ll take a peek at the actual bill (thanks for the link) later today. It would be funny if I found the ACLU full of sh*t.

  355. “Oooohhhhhh. I guess you told me.

    Why am I reminded of what Galileo uttered at his “trial”?”

    Nobody’s trying to “get you told.” I think you just fired off a post without thinking about it and you got caught. No big deal. Happens to me all the time. You just have to say, “I never thought of it that way” and go on.

    I think the ACLU, who is under attack All The Time, is not going to post something on its Website unless they have thought about it, and that gives it credence to my mind.

    Galileo was smart. He got his idea across and kept from being killed in a most disagreeable manner. Still he had to grovel a bit. Didn’t hurt him.

  356. These new languages are all the rage nowadays, doncha know, ever since we abandoned plain English in our effort to achieve our current level of sophistication.

    This statement and the one following it reflect an ignorance of the plain english movement in law that has been changing the entire practice for 40 years now. It also tells me that you didn’t try to read the sections. There isn’t any latin, nor references to writs of assumpsit, demurrers, or anything else similar.

  357. I think you just fired off a post without thinking about it and you got caught.

    Got “caught” at what, precisely? Giving you a link to the .pdf text of the bill, and even telling you which frigging page number to start reading at?

    If you want to be a lemming, it really is no skin off my nose, but when you’re going to pretend to be intellectual while doing it, I will point out that you have no clothes, Emperor.

  358. Why should over half of the federal taxes go toward our military madness?

    Um Poolman,

    For a guy that supposedly reads all the time and scans the internet daily to out the bad guys and play guard dog, you sure do go off with fallacious claims that aren’t nearly accurate enough for even a lib.

    From your and Rutherford’s “favorite source”, remembering the entire federal budget for 2010 was $3,456 billion dollars.

    For the 2010 fiscal year, the president’s base budget of the Department of spending on “overseas contingency operations” brings the sum to $663.84 billion, or approximately 19.5% of federal outlays.

    Here’s a pie chart from 2010 giving an approximate breakdown by category. Why don’t you set some of these to memory. Hopefully, you will note entitlements are far and away the largest category.

  359. This statement and the one following it reflect an ignorance of the plain english movement in law that has been changing the entire practice for 40 years now.

    😆 I HAVE researched the plain English movement. It may have even been on this very blog that I linked to it a little over a year ago. I guess it could as easily have been “fat grannies.” I think that “ignorance” of it is by design.

    Almost 40 years of an increasingly uphill battle trying to change complicated back to simplistic. I guess there aren’t too many folks working on it, eh? Unfortunately it appears it has more opponents than advocates. Frankly, its success would put many in your profession out of work.

    We believe we have won the first stage of a two-stage battle. In many cases, we have won the battle to persuade people that plain English is good news for customers, companies and government.

    We are still working on the second stage – the hard slog of redrafting the gobbledygook, and making sure that writers start to get it in plain English first time.

    Not enough incentive, I guess…

  360. Anybody want to take a shot at explaining to me why the stock market was up again today, when the Drudge headlines read “Euro on the Brink” and oil now at $100.00 a gallon?

    What, people spent all of their discretionary spending on waffle irons and big screens last Friday, and that’s a sign everything is on the up and up?

    Either we are fooling ourselves into oblivion and nobody notices, or the world passed me by sometime within the last few years and I’m stuck in a time warp. Apparently, there is a “new paradigm” (another word I hate) taking hold that says fundamentals matter not, that the globe matters not, and that the DOW is now the LOTTO.

    Somewhere, I picture about 20 rogue big shots named Guido throwing darts at a board, deciding whether to throw the rest of chumps a bone for a few days so we all move back into equities, before laying the wood to our ass.

    I’m starting to feel screwed in all holes simultaneously.

  361. Anybody want to take a shot at explaining to me why the stock market was up again today

    Tex, the sooner you stop buying the bullsh*t that the stock market indicates ANYTHING in particular, the smarter you will be. It’s a sophisticated casino. That’s all it is. Those who tell you otherwise want you in it with the delusion you can control the fate of your money. You can’t.

    The only thing you can hope for is long term gains which has some historical proof to back it up. Short term doesn’t tell you sh*t.

  362. Almost 40 years of an increasingly uphill battle trying to change complicated back to simplistic. I guess there aren’t too many folks working on it, eh?

    You’re so cute when you reach into your bag of nothing and type even faster.

    It was stressed at my law school, and my legal writing professor, Joe Kimble is a national figure in the effort to change the language of the law. He was one of the consultants on the last revision of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure (and if you doubt he helped make a difference, you can get a copy of the previous versions can compare it to the most recent).

    I see another area in my practice every day where many of the plain english changes have manifested. Washington’s probate code no longer has “executors”, and has opted for “personal representatives”, and the state’s Civil Rules have dramatically simplified pleading.

    However, the biggest change can probably be found simply by comparing court decisions from 100 years ago to those of today. A great contrast can be found reading the decisions of Oliver Wendel Holmes. Invariably, when I read his decisions, I had to get out both my dictionary, and my law dictionary.

  363. For a guy that supposedly reads all the time and scans the internet daily to out the bad guys and play guard dog, you sure do go off with fallacious claims that aren’t nearly accurate enough for even a lib.

    Yeah, I’ve seen that pie chart. Here is an alternate example for 2009 that includes the real figures. I’m certain it’s a more “liberal” view. 😉

    http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm

  364. Pfesser, I hate to do this to you but you gotta read the section of the bill that BiW pointed to. Now I skimmed a good deal of it (particularly the parts dealing with GitMo) but from what I read, as much as I support the ACLU, I don’t know what their panties are in a knot about. Their claim seems to me to be a gross extrapolation of what is actually on the page.

    Two things unrelated to the controversy struck me. In one section they define the eligible detainee as basically a member of al Qaeda, the Taliban, anyone involved in 9/11 and anyone who supported them. Then in another section they more broadly seem to define it as anyone belligerent toward the US. I found that strange.

    Second, it was interesting to see in writing the handcuffs they put on Obama regarding the closing of Gitmo. It explicitly says no dollars will go toward building facilities to house Gitmo transferees thereby making the closing of Gitmo impossible. Bastards.

  365. Second, it was interesting to see in writing the handcuffs they put on Obama regarding the closing of Gitmo. It explicitly says no dollars will go toward building facilities to house Gitmo transferees thereby making the closing of Gitmo impossible. Bastards.

    You don’t really still believe that after 3 years of keeping it open and no talking about it, he actually wants to close it, do you?

  366. BiW I believe he has decided he has bigger fish to fry. Once Congress tied his hands he said “f*ck it, let’s move on to something else”.

    That’s why I laugh at you guys calling this guy an ultra-liberal. I heard someone the other day refer to him as a 1980’s Republican moderate. LOL … that’s probably more like it.

  367. I think you forget that Congress wasn’t able to stop him in 2008-2009, and he had the numbers to obtain any approval that he may have required during that time.

    I think that his remarkably venial and incompetent (and conflicted) AG would still like to do that, but the KSM debacle served to show how bad an idea it was.

  368. Poolman, I know this is going to be new news to you. But when I show you the CBO reports, I can back up the underlying summary with something called data.

    Are you smart enough yet to realize a trained monkey can type in numbers and push a button to receive another slice of banana? That even the most brainless of us can produce an Excel pie chart and make it say anything we want it to say it to say if we can simply plug meaningless numbers?

    More specifically, for a guy so “suspicious” of everything, I hardly find a website called “War Resistance” terribly reliable with respect to our “war budget” and without an agenda. Does that make any sense to you Newton?

    It’s similar to your other websites like Veteran’s Today, with accusation of Jooos taking over the known world.

    Can you provide the underlying data that they used to produce that pie chart? I know math ain’t your bag, so I’ll be happy to produce the product for you and let you double check if you doubt me. 😉

  369. Okay BiW,

    I went to Joe Kimble’s site and it does look like a lot of good is being done to implement the use of plain English in many of our legal documents. A very informative and easy to navigate site, BTW.

    I’ll keep it tabbed for now so I can slowly digest more of its informative prose.

    I may have been just a bit too hasty in criticizing the legal profession as a whore whole. I have to remember not to make blanket assumptions, especially since I often rant against such practices.

    Carry on. I’ll try to type slower and leave nothing in its bag.

  370. Poolman. I just added up the “War Resistance” numbers they provide on the left of the page, and they don’t add up – on their own pie chart. 😆

    Congratulations. Got anything else available?

  371. Holy shit. R just read. . . gasp. . . a portion of the actual text of a law? Without MSNBC’s insight? And he found that the language didn’t support the criticisms from the all-knowing ACLU — who unlike you and me do this for a living?

    BiW. You should in line for a knighthood.

    I remember trying with Judge Vinson’s opinion on the constitutionality of Obamacare (I think — perhaps it was Citizens United). R whined louder than my kids being told to finish their homework then abandoned the endeavor. 😆

    You have made a real breakthrough here BiC. Good for you. Perhaps it will lead to elevated discussions on legal matters — of course there’s nowhere to go but up here.

  372. I just added up the “War Resistance” numbers they provide on the left of the page, and they don’t add up – on their own pie chart.

    Try using a calculator. They seem to add up with mine. Of course, I think I bought this one at the liberal Staples store. 😆

  373. Joe was a good egg, and generally met the standards that I had for the faculty.

    Actually, I only had two profs that I despised there.

    One because he was teaching the wrong subject and we all knew it, and the other because he was quite possiblly the laziest son of a bitch there. Of course, he got on my bad side early on anyway.

    He taught one of the few 8 am classes I had, and as we took our first break in his first lecture, he expressed his discontent with us being spread out all over a half empty lecture hall, and told us all to move into the first three rows when we got back.

    I didn’t comply, and when he “reminded” me of his instruction after the break, I reminded him that I was paying $650 a credit hour for his required course, and that pretty much entitled me to sit in any seat I wanted. The mutual loathing was on.

  374. I didn’t comply, and when he “reminded” me of his instruction after the break, I reminded him that I was paying $650 a credit hour for his required course, and that pretty much entitled me to sit in any seat I wanted. The mutual loathing was on.

    😆 Ah yes. The bold arrogance of youth. I’m certain that made for a wonderful semester. 😀

  375. The bold arrogance of youth.

    Or put another way, being a dick.

    It’s like old BiW was being asked to sit in the back of the bus. I’ll give B the benefit of the doubt that this seating request was not in and of itself the cause of his recalcitrance. There must have been a really bad vibe afoot.

  376. It was more the idea that it wasn’t Kindergarden and I was paying handsomely for the priviledge of listening to the lazy SOB drone on, constantly issuing little asides correcting his lecture notes that he had been too lazy to update with changes to the law before regurgitating them to us. By tipping his hand so early in the semester, he knew if he made a stink about insisting I sit in a certain place in the lecture hall, I’d be in the Dean’s Office after class, making a stink about a professor who didn’t take enough pride in his work to present it correctly to us the first time. I’d have come out on the winning end of that, and he knew it.

  377. Dunno why but I found that duck commander with the beard mesmerizing. Watched him three times.

    😆 A very interesting character, for sure. Don’t get too carried away, though. There’s a gun barrel load of shot at the end of that whistle. 😀

  378. Try using a calculator. They seem to add up with mine. Of course, I think I bought this one at the liberal Staples store.

    You holding a calculator is like a gorilla holding an IPad. Try pushing the keys next time. At least you’ll look like you know what you’re doing to the general public.

    That all presupposes you know how to use a calculator Poolman. I didn’t need a calculator to know you can’t get to 1.8 Trillion using the numbers on the left. Not even close. But I loved the foot notes and the assumptions.

  379. If that’s your defense, I’ll let the jury decide.

    Rabbit. It’s your day. Add up those numbers on the left and see if they jive with the pie chart.

  380. 😆 Poolman, interesting tidbit from your propaganda machine. Third paragraph. Wasn’t important enough to mention until then: 😈

    The figures are federal funds, which do not include trust funds — such as Social Security — that are raised and spent separately from income taxes.

    😆

    Take Medicare and Medicaid out and you can get your slice really big. 😉 Throw in a few more assumptions about the “vastly underestimated” war machine, and you can probably get to about 90% of the budget.

    If you clowns are going to propagandize and lie, you at least ought to hide it better.

  381. Got to watching that Friedman video series on YouTube. R, you should have to watch all of them — Clockwork Orange-style if need be.

  382. R, you should have to watch all of them — Clockwork Orange-style if need be.

    LOL Tigre you say that like a threat. If you look back on this thread you’ll see that I quite liked the Friedman video that was posted here. If I can find the time, I’d be very willing to watch more.

  383. This is classic … I just got a note telling me that despite the fact that American Airlines filed for bankruptcy, my “Advantage miles” are secure.

    Sorry but for some reason, I find that funny.

  384. Tex – Kansas is always a hard one for me to figure come March. I think they and Texas have done more to blow up my brackets than the rest of the NCAA field combined.

  385. You holding a calculator is like a gorilla holding an IPad.” – Tex

    I’ve never much been an Apple guy…

  386. R says, “If I can find the time, I’d be very willing to watch more.”

    I think you should. They’re cut down into small approx. 3-7 minute pieces. They are beginner’s level economic concepts. I’d like to discuss some of them. I know you’ll hate them though, because they bust the myths you’ve structured your world view around.

    But at least I know that unlike PF you’ll listen and understand what’s being said (then run around looking for rebuttals from intellectual whores like Krugman). 😆

    There’s some Donahue clips on there too, so the setting should feel like home to you if you don’t like watching him hammer doctors, socialists, and students at the lecturn.

    They are entertaining. There’s a reason Friedman was such an esteemed educator at Chicago. If you are willing to read a bill, these are like kindergarten recess. They should be broadcast to the OWS crowd — at least in the morning beofre they’ve started to tok’ (if they do in fact ever stop). And you’ll be amazed — he doesn’t seem to need a teleprompter!

  387. “You holding a calculator is like a gorilla holding an IPad.”

    I would’ve said “a monkey humping a football,” but to each their own.

    Hey R. What’s Palin up to these days? Don’t we need to keep talking about her to be sure we never come so close to the risks of her attaining power like in 2008?

  388. I would’ve said “a monkey humping a football,” but to each their own.” – Tigre

    And I REALLY like football…

  389. Tex –

    I too am very much baffled by the Market. At least part of it is re-valuation upward in dollar-value, due to inflation, which means it isn’t moving at all or may be actually going down, although gold’s price isn’t reflecting that yet. That is a bit baffling, too. My personal feeling is that everybody is just so loath to take a loss that they just stay in the market, hoping against all hope. To some extent I’m doing that. Fear is a bad, bad thing in an investor.

    My CPA just attended a meeting where one of the speakers was Art Laffer, of Laffer Curve fame. He told them that corporate profits were doing just fine and that the corps were keeping their powder dry in the form of retained earnings until we get Obama out of office, which he said WOULD happen. His take was that at that point the market would zoom, but until that’s a certainty, nobody is investing in anything long-term.

    That’s his take on it; I’m looking to diversify into Australia and Brazil primarily, but haven’t done anything yet.

  390. You know what I think it is Pfesser? Irrational exuberance – but this time, not the money managers of 1999. It’s the American public. In my opinion, it is a case of irrational ignorance, because I don’t think the public has an objective understanding what is happening across the globe. China’s real estate is tanking, much like America in 2008. The middle east is moving in a bad direction. Russia is once again rearing the ugly Putin head. Mexican oil fields have been drying up in the last five years. We both think our debt is a bigger problem than even advertised. Yet…

    I saw yesterday that consumer confidence is up.

    Why, I have no idea, but then I never understand much in the way America thinks anymore anyway. TV sucks, music sucks, sports have become a religion of sort, for the most part the American public appear to me to be shallow and poorly read. That’s just an opinion, but I can’t help but feel we are setting ourselves up.

    Just a personal head’s up about Brazil. I have had very poor results, very poor, investing in emerging markets on expert tips, not once but three times. Lost thousands of dollars in doing so, jumping on the bandwagon. And I learned a hard lesson, especially in markets like China and South America. Be very careful of the information being marketed as fact, including the outlooks. As crooked as Wall Street is, they are wearing halos compared to the forked tongues of the Marxist countries playing capitalism.

    Australia and Canada are a different horse, and I like them both too.

  391. R, I’m curious, being that you and Dems are sooooooo much about transparency, and since you are soooooooooo much smarter than the rest of us mere mortals, can you please explain how Obama’s 54 events in 42 days in 11 battleground states is not campaigning, and thus should be funded by the tax payer?

  392. Defense is 26.3 %, Science and Education each less than 5%. Seems out of balance to me.

    I see no fault in allocating a quarter of our budget to providing security for the nation. That seems more than reasonable to me.

    And I think that categorization might be misleading. Much of the benefit to society has come through the science of our defense industry. It would help if they would break the two categories of science and education out separately for our sake.

    I will take a look at your tool.

    Does education include public health? I doubt it – be that is allocated to HHS. Because if it is public school education, I vote for the allocation to be .000001% – about 50 people, one representative of each state, assuring that we are meeting some acceptable standard. Education should be a local issue and the Dept. of Education should immediately be unfunded.

  393. Thorazine, I would expect “science” and “education” to be low on a federal expenditure level. As Tex points out, education is really locally funded for public schools, and “science” is principally a private market endeavor or through private or educational research grants. Why would you expect the percentage to be higher?

  394. One other thing Pfesser. And this is simply from observation of watching the stock markets for several years.

    Before the downfall and the few rational prophets pleading for the public to listen, and I’m now talking about those who have been accurate in predicting both the tech bubble and real estate bubble, I have noted that there is a lag of six to eighteen months between the warnings and the downfall, usually accompanied by a preceding run up in valuation.

    Hence today, we have the news of an agreed to coordinated action to ease the increasing strains on the global financial system. But note the market is rising not because the problems are fixed, but they have agreed to coordinate their efforts in addressing it. And I say, “that’s what passes as great news these days? That we’ve agreed to address the problem?”

    Then I read that the pace of job growth increased in the private sector. Yeah, okay. But that doesn’t address stagnant wages, increasing cost and expense, inflation of consumer staples, and most importantly – the obvious seasonality. I went to the cheapest grocery store in the world night before last (Wally Mart), and spent $91.00. I looked down, and the basket was half empty.

    I call that irrational behavior and acting on impulse. Because I have little faith in these powers that be to coordinate anything objectively, including our FED.

    I admit, there are times I feel like Noah standing in front of an ark after 20 years, and the sun is still shining while people are pointing fingers and laughing at me. But my gut feel remains – we are heading toward a time none of us have ever known. And it will happen quickly.

  395. I see the market is up about 3.5% today and gold nearly 2%.

    The inflationary spiral has to start in earnest soon. Maybe today is the day.

  396. Sorry about the mass posts on this subject, but this is where I get off the ship with normally like minds like Art Laffer and those retained earnings sitting in corporate cash accounts, just waiting to be used for capital production when Obama is thrown to the curb.

    Assuming Obama is beaten, all that capital outlay won’t do much good if there is little disposable income on behalf of the consumer to buy the product. I am still not convinced the American public’s personal balance sheets have improved since 2008, and in fact, I believe they have gotten worse. The death from federal outlays is only being accrued – most people are not evening noticing that. The death from state and local taxes, and inflationary pressures of the day to day are what are killing the American consumer. I can’t get people to realize that.

    I’m talking to way too many people that are in financial straits, but their lifestyle doesn’t give that appearance. Perhaps like Rutherford, I live in a bubble.

  397. Yeah, I feel like the proverbial deer in the headlights – of the US Govt. My wife and I have managed to save a few bucks, a lot of which is going to put our kids through college – which itself keeps going up like a rocket. We’re trying to figure out where to put some of it to protect against inflation, but I still don’t have a good plan.

    I have seen old people eating catfood; it ain’t pretty. Man there has to be some kind of revolution before these jaybirds at the Treasury and Fed completely destroy this country! (Jesus I sound like my father.)

    The book I’m reading is “The Collapse of Complex Socities (New Studies in Archaeology).” When I get a few mins, I’ll summarize it; I think that better than anything I have read it nails the cause of societal collapse and how that applies to us now.

  398. What’s Palin up to these days?

    All I can say is I am vindicated. Miss Sarah wrote her political suicide note when she declined to run for Pres. Her irrelevance is now etched in stone. I am a happy camper. 🙂

  399. can you please explain how Obama’s 54 events in 42 days in 11 battleground states is not campaigning, and thus should be funded by the tax payer?

    I’ll be glad to once you document for me how Obama finances all of his trips. Are you aware he is raising campaign funds big time as we speak? Why are you 100% sure that every trip he takes is on the taxpayer’s dime?

    Regardless, the last eighteen months of any first term President seeking reelection has an ambiguity about it. Every step he takes involves some consideration of reelection and that, my friend, is campaigning.

    Tell me with a straight face that George W. was purely “doing his job” from mid 2003 to November 2004 and I’ll know you’re really delusional.

  400. I am still not convinced the American public’s personal balance sheets have improved since 2008, and in fact, I believe they have gotten worse. … I’m talking to way too many people that are in financial straits, but their lifestyle doesn’t give that appearance.

    There is absolutely NO doubt in my mind that American’s personal balance sheets are in the crapper. One reason is that the apparent lack of change in lifestyle is fueled by greater and greater reliance upon credit. Most folks don’t make a cash move anymore. Everything they “own” was bought by them with lots of help from a bank, to whom they are now paying 16, 17, 18% interest.

    One of my “legacy” checking accounts (one in CT that I plan to close) fell below some minimum balance and I got socked this month with a $20.00 bank fee. WTF??? My bad because to this minute I don’t know what the damn minimum balance is. But still … 20 dollars. You’ve gotta be kidding me. I’ll be closing that account ASAP.

    But I digress. As I said in a prior comment Tex, stop looking to the market for sanity. Keep your eye on the unemployment rate and the foreclosure rate. That tells you just how deep in the toilet we are.

  401. My wife and I have managed to save a few bucks, a lot of which is going to put our kids through college – which itself keeps going up like a rocket.

    If that isn’t the truth, Pfesser. We had saved for the kid’s college, but not under the assumption we would be buying a house over five or six years. If it were possible to kick myself in the ass over the decision I made nine years ago, I would be lame by now.

    We will have spent well over half a million for our kid’s education (and that’s only two kids) by the time it is through, K-college. That’s entirely out of pocket. It would take a physician’s salary to afford six.

    Stay healthy. 😐

  402. I have seen old people eating catfood

    This is an oft repeated metaphor for poverty that I don’t understand. Do you know how f*cking expensive cat food is? I have a cat …. I know.

  403. “All I can say is I am vindicated. Miss Sarah wrote her political suicide note when she declined to run for Pres. Her irrelevance is now etched in stone. I am a happy camper.”

    But she’s only mostly dead. . .

    Let’s drag her back into the conversation so you don’t have to defend Obama to justify your vote.

  404. As I said in a prior comment Tex, stop looking to the market for sanity. Keep your eye on the unemployment rate and the foreclosure rate. That tells you just how deep in the toilet we are.

    I agree, but we agree for varying and different reasons. You think it is a crap shoot and staged game. I say the stakes are far higher than that.

    I think it is insatiable greed and lust for power, with the inability to handle and grasp the consequences – even for those in power.

    Unemployment rate is suspect. It tells me nothing, as the data almost meaningless. When you fall off the employment roll, within a short time, you aren’t even counted as unemployed. And far more are underemployed than employed.

    A ten dollar an hour job with some measure of healthcare as added incentive is not a livable wage to raise children. And that is what I am seeing. More employed, but in capacities that are actually a net drag on society, as assistance necessary.

    I abhor Elizabeth Warren, but one thing to her credit – and only one thing because she misses much of the underlying reason. She is right to point out, as the cost of living has increased, and the collective taxes have increased accordingly (what Warren fails to mention), and as wages have stagnated, we were able to offset that back in the 60s, 70s and 80s moving from one income familes to two income families.

    But there is an insidious offset to that.

    Families are now dependent upon two wages to make a go of it. The current situation as you appreciate more than most, doubled the risk of living and squeezed the opportunity for real employment in the process.

    The only solution I see, is for people to do what I have had to learn to do. Do without or with less.

  405. Defense is 26.3 %

    Thor,

    If you expand those categories, it shows more costs in the way of veterans benefits, 4.1% and there is another 4.6% listed under “Job and family security”. Our space program is almost a leg of the military anymore and should be considered in part, IMO. Immigration and border control is listed separate, but has certainly been a topic of national “defense”. I’m not certain how Homeland Security fits in, maybe a part of this “border control”, but that is supposed to be for our “defense”. I don’t know in what category our foreign aid is lumped, as it isn’t listed as such and is often suspect. It may be a drop in the bucket in comparison to these other expenses, but should fall is SOME category. International affairs maybe?

    The tool doesn’t include SS and Transportation trust accounts, and Medicare taxes, as they are not collected and spent like the rest of federal taxes are.

    The 7.4% listed as “interest” is in a large part (some say entirely) due to a decade of war.

    So, by employing this tool it shows a more accurate account, though with some areas it is still questionable. Of course, this is considered a part of the “transparency” our government is providing us. It has been provided by the “Obama” administration. There are some who pick and choose what they believe from that administration. I question ANY government and especially ours, since it is ours, and we are theoretically responsible for it.

  406. BiW thanks for the warning. I’ve already closed one CT account with no ill effects. In fact, the silly folks sent me a check for one penny (pro-rated interest earned). It cost them more to send the check than the check itself was worth.

  407. “All I can say is I am vindicated.”

    You act like you’re the only one who had been screaming about how irrelevant she is.

    The rest of us had been telling you that for months —-years — while you were still carrying on about her….and her kids.

    Sarah Palin became irrelevant on Nov. 5, 2008.

  408. I’ll be glad to once you document for me how Obama finances all of his trips.” – R

    Are you fucking serious? Do you live with your head stuffed all the way into the colonoscopy bag? Bus Tour I & II, the previously mentioned 42 day trip, and his next trip to Pennsylvania and New York- all on the tax payer dime because they are deemed primarily for “official” business.

    Don’t play fucking coy with me.

    http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/1111/apolitical_3c16f9ec-36a3-4210-8cb7-0c2e257c1ef8.html

    Regardless, the last eighteen months of any first term President seeking reelection has an ambiguity about it. Every step he takes involves some consideration of reelection and that, my friend, is campaigning.

    Tell me with a straight face that George W. was purely “doing his job” from mid 2003 to November 2004 and I’ll know you’re really delusional.” – R

    This isn’t about whether or not he should or should not campaign- I recognize that. But Bush paid for his campaign trips, Obama is fucking the America people by forcing us to pay for his trips. Besides, your red herring aside, that wasn’t the question. YOU and yours have been going on about how Dems and Obama are the epitome of transparency, so explain this.

  409. Let’s drag her back into the conversation so you don’t have to defend Obama to justify your vote.

    No need, my friend. Haven’t you noticed I avoid defending Obama by throwing my darts at the eight clowns currently running for President? 🙂 (I take that back … I still like Huntsman and sorta like Paul.)

  410. “I question ANY government and especially ours, since it is ours, and we are theoretically responsible for it.”

    No you don’t. You’ve admitted as much.

    You never questioned Obama’s citizenship because you “assumed” (your word) the government did the proper checks.

  411. Unemployment rate is suspect.

    Oh I fully agree and when I say look at the unemployment rate, I’m suggesting we look at it as an “under-indicator”. The actual number is considerably higher.

  412. The rest of us had been telling you that for months —-years — while you were still carrying on about her….and her kids.

    Ah my bad Huck. All that time that you guys were defending her “honor” I thought you were also defending her viability as a politician. 😕

  413. But Bush paid for his campaign trips

    He did? How the f*ck do you know that? What documentation do you have that separates Bush’s campaign trips from his “official business”? C’mon, you’re full of sh*t and you know it.

    May I remind you that there is a jobs bill (now in pieces) that the President is advocating. That is official business.

    I will grant you this, since I would never want to be accused of playing coy (sounds so gay!!!! (not that there’s anything wrong with that)), if Obama is going to a campaign fundraiser on the American dime then that is NOT cool and I do NOT support it.

  414. “Ah my bad Huck. All that time that you guys were defending her “honor” I thought you were also defending her viability as a politician. ”

    So when you defend the honor of Michelle Obama you are also defending her viability as a politician, or are you defending her honor because she is not a politician and is not (in your opinion) worthy of political flaming?

  415. You never questioned Obama’s citizenship because you “assumed” (your word) the government did the proper checks.

    Get over it!.. The guy’s been president for going on 3 years and you still think he’s illegal? 🙄

    I assume you are human, Huck. I haven’t verified it, but some things I feel safe to assume – my risk, maybe my bad. Either way. At some point one has to put faith in something or you won’t get out of bed in the morning. Questioning the integrity and character of one person is vastly different than questioning an institution. And yes, I assumed those tasked to check (whoever those persons we employ to do those things) did their job properly.

    But if you recall, I also claimed what difference would it really make if, in fact, Obama was NOT a US citizen. It isn’t like the WMD deception. Nobody died.

  416. Huck, you’re not really comparing Michelle Obama to Sarah Palin are you? A comparison of Michelle Obama to Todd Palin might be more appropriate.

    You tried your damnedest to have your cake and eat it too. “Sarah is a private citizen.” Total BS and you knew it. Until she took herself out of the 2012 Pres bid, she WAS a politician or at the very least, a “public citizen”.

    Now that the media ignores her the same way they ignore you and me I can say she is a private citizen.

  417. Tex, re: that article, I had that same discussion yesterday with my political violence prof. He tends to play close to the vest with his opinions, but he thinks there might be something to the position that author is taking.

    I am of the more “obvious” opinion that Israel is behind it, which I encourage. It’s their problem, let them deal with it.

    He says the chances that Mossad is getting close enough to Iranian nuke stuff or people to cause damage is unlikely.

    I pointed out that our own spies were doing fine in Iran until Hezbollah caught some in Lebanon.

  418. Gawd Rutherford. This next year at your blog, assuming I live long enough to see it (you too 🙂 ) is going to be nauseatingly rancid.

    How long are you going to play apologist for King Obama the Failure and Queen Horse’s Ass?

    The weasel is hocking underwear and soy candles with his logo on it to raise money and steal buy the election ‘by rube’, and you probably used your list dime to buy two.

    I guess it is impossible for a man that was raised from a baby of a certain philosophy, no matter how glaring the evidence, to change his stripes about politics or religion. And there was a time I had hope for you. 😡

    Here’s my prediction for you, and possibly the other left lackeys who float to and fro from the board this coming year. As the election draws closer and it becomes evident that Obama and the Dims are in trouble, you Brotha “R” will turn especially violent in your rants, especially if you have too much time on your hands. You’ll dream up conclusions on par with the Poolman’s conspiracy junta of crazed Jooos and Christians, there will be accusations of murder and theocracy, dogs and cats sleeping together.

    What will follow is a verbal assault of Palin, Bachmann and whomever the Republican candidate of choice is like nothing we’ve seen before here. Real wailing and gnashing of teeth. And after you’ve been beat, there will the period of mourning where you resign yourself to the fact it’s you were tired of defending Obama anyway and are glad he got hammered.

    Then you can resort back to doing what you do best. Nothing. ;smile:

  419. R, look here. As of 9/30/11, Obama has expended exactly 0$ for fundraising. ZERO DOLLARS. Really? He has out raised all other candidates combined, and he’s done so without spending a single dollar?

    Have you ever looked at your candidate? I mean really looked at him without the ruby-lens of Obamamania. What he says, who he has pal’d around with, who he has done business with, who his friends and allies are? Have you actually listened to his unscripted moments?

    You regularly demonstrate a gullibility that is without equal.

  420. political violence prof

    Wow, you’re taking a course in political violence? No wonder the California OWS protests have you so interested. 🙂

    More seriously, does the OWS movement get any mention in your class at least as far as the potential for violence goes?

  421. Huck, pretty interesting world we live in. I would obviously prefer to see Khameini and Dinnerjacket overthrown by their own sane people.

    There appears to be a large contingent of Iranians dissatisfied with the direction of their own theocracy. Rest assured whatever the best solution from America, Obama and Biden will do just the opposite.

  422. “You tried your damnedest to have your cake and eat it too”

    You do the same thing!

    Michelle Obama is a “public citizen” who actually formulates and promotes policies for this entire country. Yet, you take to swearing when you’ve seen enough of us going after her–sniveling about how she should be hands off because she isn’t a politician.

    How many federal policies is Sarah Palin directly responsible for, Rutherford?

    “The guy’s been president for going on 3 years and you still think he’s illegal?”

    Did I say that?

    Look….you’ve exposed yourself as a fraud. You like to play as if your conspiracies cross the isle, but its all bullshit. So any time you try and put back on your “I question ALL government” mask, I am going to be here to remind you of your own admission.

    You only question when you don’t assume. Your assumptions seem to be driven by (D) at the end of a name and what VT and The Simpsons tell you. And in the time you have spent here, you have not given a single bit of evidence to suggest otherwise.

  423. Tex what a charitable assessment of my intellectual and blogging skills. Why thank you!!!! 😕

    I have no idea how this blog will evolve over the next 11 months. After doing further research, I may publish an unexpected (and highly useless) Presidential endorsement.

    But even you should be able to see the era of the Obama fanboy has ended. I defend him against what I believe to be irrational and personal attacks. I will support him when he advocates for policies that match my ideology. I am 90% likely to vote for him next year for lack of any viable alternative.

    Stay tuned.

  424. You regularly demonstrate a gullibility that is without equal.

    Now, let’s not get carried away there. Only without equal, because some libs have sunk so low, they blew straight by gullibility into the depths of complete depravity.

    Rutherford didn’t attract our beloved Poolman on account of nothing. Unless Rutherford starts seeing subliminal messages on Morning Mika The Simpsons, I still think Rutherford would only win the bronze medal of rubedom.

    I say bronze, because our beloved Poolman is the sanest of the real liberals at Fat Grannies and clocks in with the Silver Medal. The Gold Medal would be reserved OWS.

    The Chatty Kitchen crowd wins the lifetime achievement award of idiocy.

  425. I am 90% likely to vote for him next year for lack of any viable alternative.

    Now I just defended you from Gorilla’s incorrect assault of you being the most profoundly gullibility. Poolman has got you whipped hands down. What are friends for? 😀

    90%? How many LOLs can I pass across a paragraph?

    Rutherford, you’d eat Ollie’s droppings out of the sand box before you would vote against Obama. You aren’t fooling anybody, you jester. Stand up and ACT LIKE A MAN! (using my best Brando voice)

  426. But if you recall, I also claimed what difference would it really make if, in fact, Obama was NOT a US citizen. It isn’t like the WMD deception. Nobody died.

    I beg to differ.

  427. Michelle Obama is a “public citizen” who actually formulates and promotes policies for this entire country.

    Huh? What are you smoking? Are you having a 1993 Hillary flashback? Asking kids to eat right is hardly “formulating policy”.

    Look, Michelle cashed in her chips with most of you with the “proud of my country” comment. I get that. We’ll have to agree to disagree. You think she’s an arrogant pampered beeyotch. I think she is an intelligent woman who should be practicing law instead of sitting ham stringed in the White House.

  428. “Wow, you’re taking a course in political violence? ”

    Yeah, I have taken a few along those lines. When I finish my M.A. I am going to get a Ph.D. in political sciences with a focus on political violence and mass political behavior.

    “More seriously, does the OWS movement get any mention in your class at least as far as the potential for violence goes?”

    The class is “revolutions and rebellions” but we have spent a lot of time on the OWS movement because a lot of the same social movement theories apply. I referred to him as “political violence prof.” because that is his specialty. But it is only 1 aspect of our current course.

    “There appears to be a large contingent of Iranians dissatisfied with the direction of their own theocracy.”

    I think many would agree that it is more than not.

    “I would obviously prefer to see Khameini and Dinnerjacket overthrown by their own sane people.”

    That would be better, but won’t matter because Iran will blame Israel/US anyway. Even if it was obviously their people, they would say we incited them.

  429. “Haven’t you noticed I avoid defending Obama by throwing my darts at the eight clowns currently running for President?”

    Haven’t you noticed I accuse of that every chance I get? 😉

    Why not Cain though?

    (this is where I accuse you racism)

  430. “All that time that you guys were defending her “honor” I thought you were also defending her viability as a politician.”

    Huh? No one here advocated Palin’s election. The exact opposite was stated virtually every time you announced the (false) purpose behind your crusade.

    (the real purpose has to do with your mommy issues)

  431. Why not Cain though?

    I’m puzzled. Are you saying I shouldn’t call Cain a clown or I’ve been too nice to him? Either approach could land me an accusation of racism. 🙂

  432. Speaking of Cain, you boys really don’t give Morning Joe enough credit. The past couple of nights, the primetime lineup on MSNBC has had Cain’s latest peccadillo as the lead story. Morning Joe, on the contrary, has completely and utterly ignored it.

    When someone ceases to be anything but a distraction, he deserves to be ignored, not front page coverage.

  433. “Now you’ve got Gorilla using the old weather-worn catch phrases again.”

    That probably has more to do with Bill Ayers recently admitting on tape that Obama did indeed begin his political career in his living room.

  434. (the real purpose has to do with your mommy issues)

    Thanks for the free diagnosis Tigre Freud. Could you also spot me some free ‘ludes? I could really use those (or maybe a Valium).

    Scratch that. I’ll go to Rabbit’s brother for the free ‘ludes.

  435. Tex, this article partially supports my assumption about Israel and Iran’s nukes.

    Even the CIA is admitting that a dozen of our spies have been caught there, so I think my professor’s position is a bit short-sighted. What else would they be doing there and why should we assume that our are the only ones?

    I personally don’t see any reason to make that assumption.

  436. Yeah all she does is talk about policy. She has no influence on it, does she?

    Ahhhh I see we’ve moved the goal posts from “formulating” to “influencing”. Well done Sir. 🙂

  437. “Thanks for the free diagnosis Tigre Freud.”

    If PF wants to play lawyer, surely I can play psychiatrist. 😆 There’s certainly no rational explanation for all of your Palin weirdness.