Sports, College and Cash

Much has been made recently of getting the money out of Washington. Whether it’s the influence of lobbying firms, or the lust that seemingly all politicians have for campaign contributions to ensure their reelection, many folks are saying that cash is fueling a dysfunctional government. However, the negative influence of money is hardly limited to Washington as we were shockingly reminded this week. The football program at Pennsylvania State University received a jolt when former coach Jerry Sandusky was indicted on multiple counts of child molestation. Had this been run of the mill pedophile behavior taking place at Sandusky’s home (where some of the attacks did occur) the worst we could say about Penn State was some remote guilt by association. However Sandusky committed some of these crimes on university property. In fact he molested minor boys at facilities open to university staff where the risk of getting caught was quite high.

This is where the plot thickens and sickens. An assistant grad student, Mike McQueary, in 2002 witnessed a young boy around the age of ten being sodomized by Sandusky in the Penn State locker room shower. Rather than stop the assault, McQueary, then 28 years old,  reported the incident to his father, who advised him to report the incident to head coach Joe Paterno, a legend in college football. Paterno, in turn, reported the incident up the chain. The bottom line, police were never notified. The 23 page indictment of Sandusky makes clear that several child molestations preceded this one and at least one occurred subsequently, as late as 2008.

What has many puzzled and disgusted is how an institution could know that Sandusky was engaging in this behavior and not report the matter to the authorities. The bottom line is no one wanted to rock the boat in the lucrative world known as college football. The Penn State football culture was insular, a world that played by its own rules. Let’s make no mistake, millions of dollars are at stake in college football. Coaches at top sports colleges make considerably more than professors at those same schools.

After a full week of outrage, I’ve heard very little by way of solutions. I think the time has come to put college sports back in the space where it belongs. My measures might seem draconian but it would take the money out of college sports and set priorities straight.

  1. All college sports at every school must be demoted to the same status as any other extracurricular activity. Being on the football team should be no different from being in the drama club.
  2. All sponsorship activities from various businesses cease immediately. College sports programs get funded through the college, period, end of story.
  3. College sports are no longer televised. Since when are the Whiffenpoofs’ concerts televised on a regular basis? No need to televise college sports either.
  4. All athletic scholarships cease. Scholarships should be based on need and/or academic achievement. We don’t send our kids to school to play football. We send them there to learn.
  5. The NCAA should be re-missioned to establish programs unaffiliated with colleges, which train aspiring athletes. Professional sports teams can then draft their picks from these training programs. This allows us to maintain a wall of separation between academics and sports. This change of mission would of course involve renaming the NCAA.

The corruption within college sports is nothing new. The shame is that it took such a disgusting instance of complicity within this organization to remind us. It’s equally a shame that some Penn State student’s priorities were so askew that they rioted when Paterno was deservedly fired. Sports has morphed from a game to high-priced entertainment to religion. And we all know from the Catholic Church what happens when grave transgressions occur within a religion. It’s time we got our perspective back folks.

Football is just a game. The love of no game is worth the sacrifice of any child’s innocence.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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410 thoughts on “Sports, College and Cash

  1. Football is just a game.

    Yes, it should be, but no, it is much more than that. It is a religion in America. More money and time is spent worshiping football, beginning in grade school on up to pro.

    The sick sex happens wherever massive money and people collide.

  2. What? Do you not like black people? Sports has been their step up out of the ghetto for how long? At least, that’s what I’ve been told…

    If you really want to be “draconian”, then do what should be done to pedophiles- castration. Personally, I think they should be executed, with the cost of the bullet being charged to their estate, but physical and chemical castration is also high on my list. I also don’t think they should be isolated in the prison population. Hey, what good for the goose is good for the ass-clown getting ass-raped by bubba. I hope it’s hard, frequent and a group activity.

    As for sports, yeah, there’s a lot of money in college sports. But let us remember a couple things:

    1) That football program is probably paying for most of the other sports programs and then some.
    2) That football program is probably keeping high powered alum interested in the school, which means additional funds for other programs.
    3) That football program is probably responsible for a healthy chunk of the local communities- if not the major city/state- economy.

    I have issues with the volume of cash in college sports, particularly with the bowl games and the BCS. I’d prefer to see a playoff structure, but that isn’t going to happen until the millions of dollars associated with the bowl games is removed- which means never.

    It is pretty unfortunate that the Penn State students went to the extreme they did for Joe Paterno instead of the boys hurt by Sandusky. It is a shame that so many will have their legacies hurt by the acts of this one man. I think you’re right in your assessment that the school was trying to cover up the historical activity, and if it comes out that they knew it was recently happening as well, they should be in the cell next to his. There is a lot we still don’t know, and frankly, I’m not encouraged by what I think we’re going to see…

  3. Speaking of money, why don’t you write about this R. Maybe you can throw in some language about “transparency” and “ethics”…

    Reporting from Washington— Over the last year, the Obama administration has aggressively pushed a $433-million plan to buy an experimental smallpox drug, despite uncertainty over whether it is needed or will work.

    Senior officials have taken unusual steps to secure the contract for New York-based Siga Technologies Inc., whose controlling shareholder is billionaire Ronald O. Perelman, one of the world’s richest men and a longtime Democratic Party donor.

    When Siga complained that contracting specialists at the Department of Health and Human Services were resisting the company’s financial demands, senior officials replaced the government’s lead negotiator for the deal, interviews and documents show.

    When Siga was in danger of losing its grip on the contract a year ago, the officials blocked other firms from competing.

    Siga was awarded the final contract in May through a “sole-source” procurement in which it was the only company asked to submit a proposal. The contract calls for Siga to deliver 1.7 million doses of the drug for the nation’s biodefense stockpile. The price of approximately $255 per dose is well above what the government’s specialists had earlier said was reasonable, according to internal documents and interviews…

    … If there were an attack, the government could draw on $1 billion worth of smallpox vaccine it already owns to inoculate the entire U.S. population and quickly treat people exposed to the virus. The vaccine, which costs the government $3 per dose, can reliably prevent death when given within four days of exposure…

    … Negotiations over the price of the drug and Siga’s profit margin were contentious. In an internal memo in March, Dr. Richard J. Hatchett, chief medical officer for HHS’ biodefense preparedness unit, said Siga’s projected profit at that point was 180%, which he called “outrageous.” …

    … In April, after Siga’s chief executive, Dr. Eric A. Rose, complained in writing about the department’s “approach to profit,” Lurie assured him that the “most senior procurement official” would be taking over the negotiations.

  4. The coverup is what happens whenever massive money and people collide.

    Correct. And I would add that is what happens when different people play by different sets of rules. Sports heroes, ultra wealthy, many from our justice system, and virtually all politicians.

    I can tell Rutherford you’re not a sports fan. Your suggestions aren’t practical and smack of more unnecessary regulation and kill joy. Your suggestions are as wrongheaded as letting sports thugs, unruly fans and pathetic parents living their lives through their children ruin the game.

    ———

    Nobody follows the college football game more closely than I do. I washed my hands of professional sports long ago. But college, I know and follow. I can tell you about all the teams.

    And the real problem isn’t the football players, or in most instances (Penn State being the exception) the coaches and administration. They are both benefactor and symptom. It’s the fans and the huge money involved – there is nothing more crooked than the NCAA. Corporations are adding to the mix with their huge donations for sky boxes and perks.

    It is long overdue that people regain their perspective about the real worth of athletics. I’ve seen civil, professional adults, many of them pillars of the community, act like wild animals at sporting events. Jekyll and Hyde. Damnedest thing I’ve ever seen. Even women screaming and cussing at each other as I witnessed after an OU vs. OSU game football game three years.

    Most of us enjoy sports – it’s a fun release and for the most part a healthy part of life. But when it becomes a form of idol worship, then you have a real problem.

    When we pay a man $36MM to put a round orange ball through a hoop but can’t pay a living wage to many blue collar workers than really make our world work, we’ve lost perspective….Like my brother-in-law used to say. “If you’re 7’0” tall, you ought to be able to play basketball.

    Isn’t it about time we let these players, coaches, and Sports directors know what half of a Physical Education degree is really worth?

    Get back to treating sporting events as recreation and not something akin to deification?

  5. “Sports has morphed from a game to high-priced entertainment to religion. And we all know from the Catholic Church what happens when grave transgressions occur within a religion.”

    Touche’
    Rutherford

  6. If I ruled the world –

    I would strip Penn State of their trophies and championships and not hold college football responsible for what happened here. I don’t care why they covered it up any more than I care why Sandusky liked to kill the spirit and violate the bodies of little boys.

    The dumb punks flipping vans over are making it about football. That’s a problem, not the light of reason.

    That’s all I really have to say about football except that the Penn State season should be cancelled right now. And school officials ought to get their asses in front of a mike and tell the students to go home or face expulsion. Period.

    What I’d like to see happen here is that everyone who might possibly have known about Sandusky’s crimes is investigated and charged appropriately. If what McCreary did (or didn’t do) is not a crime, then the book need to be revised. No negotiations or plea deals unless they are focused strictly on providing more evidence against others.

    Shut them down. The perpetrators, not college sports. The pedophile and the people who covered up for him. Penalize them. Make the consequences clearly outweigh the benfits of covering up crimes like this against children and getting caught. Make the consequences much worse than the benefits of getting away with covering it up. Make people want to be the one to turn the guy in as badly as they might want to keep their jobs with their silence.

    And let it be a message to others trolling for children to rape and to the cowards that help them pull their pants up.

  7. I believe Sandusky is dead man walking. He’s going to be “nailed” one way or another.

    Somebody already threw a cinder brick through his window at his home. And once the court sends a harsh message, and you know they will because of the publicity and the pressure, they’re going to play pin the tail on the asshole donkey in the pen.

    ♫ Jerry, Jerry ♫
    What are you going to do?
    Five big bad men
    Have taken a liken to you.

    But you’ll look sweet
    Perched on hard meat
    With the brothas load in you…

    ♥ ♥ ♥

  8. Huck’s correction of Poolman is right in my estimation. Big money doesn’t guarantee sick sex but it is a damn near lock for coverup when sick sex occurs.

    Tex, after reading your comment, it sounds like you agree with me more than you don’t. A dysfunctional NCAA, sports promoted to religion, etc. etc. So what we are left with is how do we get the big money out of college sports? I take no issue with pro sports.

    I didn’t address this in the post because it would have been a diversion but the other problem with college sports is that the players are prostituted. Why should Paterno be a millionaire off the backs of kids 18 to 22 years old who don’t get paid squat (legally). Of course, the kids illegally get perks and money under the table …. but then ask yourself, why shouldn’t they? They are slave labor for the coaches and schools and TV networks who are raking it in. Which gets back to the theme of my post … too much damn money in college sports.

    Gorilla, you’ve pointed out yet another problem with this money machine. So much money involved that some communities depend on the commerce that results from it. Well how ’bout we treat those communities the same way you’d like to treat the dependency-society created by LBJ? Let’s cut them off. Get them to find some other way to generate commerce.

    Finally, Gorilla and Muffy have focused on an area with which I have no argument. Clearly we must find a way to deal with pedophiles and the people who enable them. Unlike most of you, I do consider pedophilia an illness. I think the data on recidivism supports that theory. It is a compulsion too great to resist for the perpetrator. Perhaps a pharmaceutical solution is best? I don’t know.

    The other problem with punishing enablers is that all enablers are not created equal. I have gone back and forth on McQueary. Part of me finds him a sick f*ck. Another part of me imagines a guy seeing something that he just cannot fathom and he freezes and goes to his father for advice. Granted he was 28 years old. A grown man shouldn’t need to run to Daddy. But if we are revolted from just reading the indictment, think what must have happened to McQueary. I’m not defending him per se. I just see some grey in the way he handled things. I see very little grey in the way Paterno and others handled it.

    P.S. If any of you had the stomach to read the 23 page indictment, you’ll see that one guy (I think a janitor) who witnessed abuse by Sandusky was so unnerved by it that his colleagues were afraid he was going to have a heart attack. Until you’ve been faced with this mind blowing situation, perhaps we should hold back on judging these witnesses?

  9. With the brothas load in you…

    Clearly there will be more than enough white guys lined up to make Sandusky their boy-toy too. Just sayin’.

    I need to double check this but I thought I read somewhere that Sandusky had adopted children. If that doesn’t send a chill down the spine, what does.

  10. Poolman –

    Here is a good example as to why I have such a pro-Israel bias:

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/11/israel-develops-cancer-vaccine.html

    from the article: “There are a 12 Million Jews in the world, and yet they have received 192 Nobel Prizes. The Muslims number 1.4 Billion … or 117 times the number of Jews! Based upon this 117:1 Muslim-to-Jewish ratio, one might expect the Muslims to have 22,464 Nobel Laureates. They have nine, including the prize awarded to the pedophile godfather of modern terror, Yaser Arafat.”

    I just got back from a conference in NYC. A short visit to the WTC memorial was instructive. The two fountains are absolutely beautiful, and they are building skyscrapers on the remaining real estate. It made me realize two things: Those people were fucking idiots; how did they ever think they could challenge us? and We need to get the hell out of there and start a massive program to convert to electric transportation. It was my first ride on a train; god is Amtrak in a mess, but what a wonderful way to travel! All that money we are putting on protecting the sheiks should be going into our OWN infrastructure. Screw the Middle Eastern oil and the people who own it.

  11. “Until you’ve been faced with this mind blowing situation, perhaps we should hold back on judging these witnesses?” -Huck

    Judging them, sure. You’re right, I can hold back on that. I don’t have all the facts. And mind-blowing is about as accurate a description for it as there is.

    I was in college. I was an ear-witness to something I was not entirely sure then of then and am not now. It was an exclamation. I was awakened by the voice of a child coming from the open window of the house next door. If the words that haunt me are accurate, and I was sure of them, I would be complicit. 😦

    At times I’m not altogether sure I heard anything. I was sleeping.

    I can’t forget it. I can forgive myself, I can rationalize the uncertainty, but I never quite let myself off the hook entirely.

    What do you think I should have done? I still don’t know.

    I’ve thought this Penn State thing through. Pretty much. As a discussion point, I reject a defense of “shock” in excusing what I understand of McCreary and his father’s failure to contact the police at some point. At any point. It doesn’t look to me like he managed to convince himself that he did not see what he saw. So, IMO, firing him easy time for what I perceive to be his part in this.

    I do think he’s complicit and while that may represent the extreme end (in his favor) of the guilty scale, I think he was wrong and is accountable for his actions.

    “Unlike most of you, I do consider pedophilia an illness.”

    What do you mean, Huck? As opposed to what?

  12. “Those people were fucking idiots; how did they ever think they could challenge us? ”

    They did challenge us….and we accepted that challenge. Al Qaeda wanted to draw us into a Middle East war and that is EXACTLY what they did.

    They are a lot of things over there….idiots isn’t one of them.

    And that Atlasshugs piece is garbage. There are so many factors involved in what it is talking about beside basic mathematics. Anyone who doesn’t realize that is a simpleton. And I don’t take you, PF, as a simpleton.

  13. I give Pfesser 1 for 2 on his comment. Yes, we should definitely get off the oil teat.

    The notion that we judge a religion by how many Nobel laureates followed that religion is IMHO preposterous. There are a busload of reasons why folks get Nobel prizes. One of the most recent ridiculous examples was the one Obama got.

  14. Huck – I just realized that. Geez this reading comprehension is getting bad. I’m embarrassing myself.

    I have an excuse! I swear I do.

  15. The notion that we judge a religion by how many Nobel laureates followed that religion is IMHO preposterous. There are a busload of reasons why folks get Nobel prizes. One of the most recent ridiculous examples was the one Obama got.” – R

    I think that was more about race than religion… Or maybe government? Israeli democracy versus thugacrocy/dictator/monarchies? Or how about life philosophy: ‘we love death more than you love life’?

    Maybe all of it?

  16. I don’t know why poor Huck got targeted for my comments pedo being an illness and the judging of witnesses but for the record, that was me (not Huck). LOL my comment was so damn long that maybe it looked like it HAD to be two people talking. 🙂

    Muffy, I agree with you about McQueary’s obligation to report it to the police. There are two other actions that he could have taken that I think puts his non-reporting in perspective. On the one hand, being a former quarterback, he could have stepped into the shower and punched Sandusky silly. A lot of folks are wondering how he could witness that and not intervene. But again, when you’re in shock, what do you do?

    The other alternative was he could have ignored it altogether — not reported it to ANYONE. The fact that he knew SOMEONE had to be told about this redeems him slightly in my mind — albeit slightly.

    I believe there is data supporting that the average person, when witnessing a crime in progress (even a violent one) will NOT intervene. Interest in this phenom goes all the way back to the Kitty Genovese story of the 1960’s.

    As opposed to what?

    Muffy, I think pedophilia is an illness as opposed to a freely made, trivial choice to abuse a child. I believe it is an aberrant and strong sexual preference with these perpetrators. It’s akin in my mind to the notion that homosexuality is not really a choice but a deeply rooted preference. In my mind (and this will probably upset the gay community) what separates pedo from gayness is that one of the partners is not old enough to freely consent to the encounter. The power imbalance makes the “relationship” invalid. That is why the NAMBLA platform is bogus. They rest their case on consenting minors. But a minor is not capable of capturing the complexities of sexual activity (putting aside pregnancy in the case of hetero pedophilia). Hence they cannot freely consent.

    Sorry, long winded answer to your simple question.

  17. “I think that was more about race than religion”

    Then it is really a stupid comparison, because Islam is not a race.

    “…versus thugacrocy/dictator/monarchies?”

    You mean the folks the West put into power after WWI and have supported with money, weapons, and diplomatic protection ever since?

    Yeah…let’s blame Islam for that….

  18. G, Obama got the Nobel for two reasons. First he was flavor of the month at the time and second, his rhetoric trumped his actual behavior. It was the first time (and hopefully the last) that the prize was given for the promise of “hope and change”.

    Hundreds of predator bomb attacks later, they should ask for the prize back. 😐

  19. You mean the folks the West put into power after WWI and have supported with money, weapons, and diplomatic protection ever since?

    Yeah…let’s blame Islam for that….” – Huck

    Yup, the same ones. Hmmmmm, does the word blame fit in here? Playing Devil’s Advocate (and maybe push a button or two) do you blame cancer or the cigarette?

  20. 😆 Oh Rutherford. You do tickle me. I put that brotha thing in there just for you. I was curious if that would get a rise. It did. 🙂 I was just giving you a hard time.

    Listen, if a few of the “boys” in the pen want to work Sandusky over (a barrel), I’m an equal opportunity, affirmative action kind of guy. I don’t give a damn if they’re alien like ET with reptilian skin.

    I disagree with your recommendations, but I how could I not agree with the conclusions? About that assistant coach – the spitting image of Howdy Doody? I’ll tell you why he didn’t report it. He’s gutless. He was scared for his job and thought only about himself. 90% of football coaches are morons and ex-jocks. Those assistant coaches at power schools like Penn State make between $250K-500K a year. And since Sandusky had worked for years with Paterno, I’m sure they were close.

  21. Not to distract from the Devil’s question, but I’m curious: how hard is it going to be to find a judge not associated with Penn State in Pennsylvania? How necessary is a change of venue to the case and who needs it more- the defense or the prosecution?

  22. re: numbers of Nobel prizes don’t mean anything.

    nonsense. That’s the same argument the teachers’ unions have been using for years to hide their abysmal performance: Tests don’t really, really, really test how well the teachers are doing.

    Yes they do. You and I both know that throughout grade school, high school and college the subjectively brightest kids in our classes did the best on tests. And the best teachers produced the highest-scoring kids. Exceptions? Of course, but they are just that.

    I don’t care whether you call it race or religion or phase of the moon. The Jews as a group are the most productive, artistic, hard-working, obnoxious and forward-leading group of folks on the planet. (Kind of like a giant gaggle of Steve Jobs-es.) Pound for pound, inch for inch, brain for brain they win the most Nobels, too. And except for the highly questionable “peace prize” and the prize in “economics” – which are both just non-scientific awards to be used by socialists as a fuck-you to capitalism, they reflect quite well scholarship and accomplishment. Their neighbors aren’t even on the same planet, let alone the same league.

  23. I sure am glad Osama wanted to pull the west into a war. He and his troops got their asses handed to them on the battle field, and Osama ended up the ignominious fish food.

    I think we will find out in the coming years, we decimated a lot more bad guys that we can imagine, and though not the reason given for the Iraqi War, I believe it will provide our biggest benefit of drawing those assholes out into the open. I admit though, that was probably unplanned.

    We were going to have to fight these flying carpet stink beards one way or another, and if we hadn’t reacted you can bet it would have emboldened those assholes further. Better to do it on the fields of Iraq than Wall Street.

  24. The Jews as a group are the most productive, artistic, hard-working, obnoxious and forward-leading group of folks on the planet. (Kind of like a giant gaggle of Steve Jobs-es.) Pound for pound, inch for inch, brain for brain they win the most Nobels, too. And except for the highly questionable “peace prize” and the prize in “economics” – which are both just non-scientific awards to be used by socialists as a fuck-you to capitalism, they reflect quite well scholarship and accomplishment. Their neighbors aren’t even on the same planet, let alone the same league.

    Well said. I agree. The awards for the hard sciences, Jews dominate. And why Huck denies that remains a mystery.

    But Huck, I don’t have to beyond our boundaries to find Jews the most talented group of people on the planet. You pick the industry, Jews disproportionately are represented for high achievement. Medicine, law, entertainment, even politics and academia, for a creed that has approximately 5,000,000 American citizens, I find their status supernatural.

    As was promised… 😉

  25. Another thing I disagree adamantly with Rutherford – pay for players.

    Being familiar with college athletics, these athletes in the power sports are pampered beyond belief. Free educations (most too stupid to take advantage), suites for rooms, steak for dinner, free tutoring, guaranteed jobs upon graduation – generally with menial educations, the wink and the pass in class.

    Some small stipend may be in order for spending change, but absolutely nothing else.

    They are already paid a handsome fee called free education, and are treated far, far better than any resident student.

  26. Pfesser, regardless of whether the prize is in economics or astrophysics, politics plays into who gets the Nobel. Simply can’t be compared to an ostensibly objective test to measure what students have learned.

    As a side note, while I think there is a danger to “teaching to the test” there is no doubt in my mind that test scores should be a component to evaluating teachers.

    Finally, I get real nervous when any minority is singled out for abuse or praise. This exaltation of the Jew is a bit much for my taste and there’s nothing antisemitic about it. People are people. When we start making group generalizations things get funky … even when we back it up with “data”.

  27. “Hmmmmm, does the word blame fit in here?”

    Since I was responding to your statement, that is for you to decide how words apply to its context.

    “You and I both know that throughout grade school, high school and college the subjectively brightest kids in our classes did the best on tests.”

    So Paul Krugman and Barack Obama are among the brightest people humanity has to offer?

    We’re fucked…..

    Those 2 names alone show how much the Nobel is not a measure of intellect. It is a subjective award given to people that toe lines that the Nobel Committee feels are politically correct at the time.

    There is also no runner-up prize. So by your measure, 1 person deserves an A on their test and everyone else gets an F. Let’s see how well you can spot the brightest kids with that metric.

    “I don’t care whether you call it race or religion or phase of the moon. The Jews as a group are the most productive, artistic, hard-working, obnoxious and forward-leading group of folks on the planet.”

    I can’t dispute that. However, I don’t see how the historic tenacity of a people has to do with the unquestioning support for a modern state. I suspect most Jews don’t even live in Israel.

    You’re trying to tell us why you like the taste of oranges by analyzing the chemical composition of apples.

  28. “But Huck, I don’t have to beyond our boundaries to find Jews the most talented group of people on the planet. You pick the industry, Jews disproportionately are represented for high achievement. Medicine, law, entertainment, even politics and academia, for a creed that has approximately 5,000,000 American citizens, I find their status supernatural.

    As was promised…”

    So why aren’t you Jewish?

  29. Since I was responding to your statement, that is for you to decide how words apply to its context.” – Huck

    I was actually serious when I asked the question. From what we’ve seen from Islamist societies, whether macro or micro, there is an aversion to scientific/societal advancement. Is that because of religion? Cultural? Politics? All of the above?

    There has to be a reason for the disparity in the awards, what is it?

  30. Is that because of religion? Cultural? Politics? All of the above?

    You left out economic. Now I know I’m verging on real old fashioned bigotry here so I proceed with caution … but don’t the Jewish people have a long history of controlling money? My very rudimentary research shows that the Old and New Testament and the Koran prohibit usury but as far as I know, only Islam prohibits any kind of interest on loans in modern day society.

    My point being that perhaps Jews have developed a higher level of financial sophistication than Muslims. Money finances education. Poverty breeds ignorance. So could there be a connection here?

    OK … I’m now braced for the accusations of hypocrisy since only a few comments ago I said we shouldn’t be generalizing about religions. But hell, it’s hard to engage in this discussion without reaching for some general clues.

  31. Kind of like a giant gaggle of Steve Jobs-es.

    Steve Jobs was Syrian with Muslim parents.

    Jews disproportionately are represented for high achievement. Medicine, law, entertainment, even politics and academia, for a creed that has approximately 5,000,000 American citizens, I find their status supernatural.

    Supernatural, eh? Well the supernatural ones fall in both camps. Also to be considered are the persons behind institutions and organizations making the decisions in rating those high achievements. Often times it’s who you know, rather than what you know. There is a certain protocol.

    Could you be mixing genetics and religion? I only ask because you mention “creed” and I think the ethnicity is what is being considered in the statistics. If Jewish defines a bloodline, then there are Jews of all creeds.

    The Jewish religion, referred to as Judaism is practiced by some Jews and many non Jews alike. It is practiced with as much diversity as Islam and Christianity today, from fundamentalist to extremely liberal in doctrine. There are diametrically opposed factions in all 3.

    Ultimately, people are people and need to be considered individually.

  32. One thing I meant to mention in the main post but forgot:

    The Penn State/Nebraska game should have been cancelled last weekend. The moment of silence before the game was a crock of sh*t.

    “Let’s pay our respect to the victims … [wait 60 seconds] ok now play ball and collect the money!”

    Total BS!!! 👿

  33. G, regarding change of venue, we’ve already got a problem. The judge (a lady) gave Sandusky $100,000 bail when she was urged to make it at least $500,000. She was urged to make him wear an ankle bracelet. No deal on that either.

    Guess what? She’s a volunteer for the Second Mile organization that Sandusky founded and used for his supply chain of victims. And she never disclosed her connection with his organization. 😕

  34. “Let’s pay our respect to the victims … [wait 60 seconds] ok now play ball and collect the money!”

    R, I am not following your connection to “money” in all of this. This shit happens in the boy scouts. Other than the Revenge of the Nerds view of division one college programs, is there more to your observation or are you just trying to add injustice/outrage to the equation? I think it’s putrid enough all on its own.

  35. So why aren’t you Jewish?

    😆 Fair question. Well, they missed the one, most important component, though the Word states that one day, they’ll get it.

    Poolman practices a perverted form of Christianity called replacement theology, and it is where the abhorrent anti-Semitism grew and has infected the Church for nearly 1,900 years. It explains everything from the Crusades to the Klan.

    In addition, people like him believe the promises, covenants and blessings ascribed to Israel in the Bible have been taken away from the Jews and given to the Church, which has superseded them. However, the Jews are subject to the curses found in the Bible, as a result of their rejection of Christ.

    Plus, we white, Protestant guys have a long history of doing pretty well too. Virtually all our Founders would hold that title. And it takes a lot of work to keep the brotha Rutherford types oppressed. 😈 Somebody has got to do it, right “R”?

    P.S. – More information than you’ll ever need or wanted to know, but Tex’s wienie is already flayed, as are I would guess about 75% of American males – perhaps some of you “guys” that deny Christianity, but your parents did it anyway. I don’ t want to know. 😦

  36. “Tex’s wienie is already flayed, as are I would guess about 75% of American males – perhaps some of you “guys” that deny Christianity, but your parents did it anyway. I don’ t want to know.”

    Fortunate we swedes have plenty to spare.

  37. Interestingly, I’ve heard that the traditional medical reason for circumcision was to avoid infections … pretty dumb if you ask me … just teach the kid proper hygiene. I’ve also read that circumcision reduces sexual pleasure for the male.

    When I went to “expectant father” class some eight years ago and the question of to cut or not to cut came up, the advice was that kids want to look like their dad so if daddy doesn’t have a turtle neck, neither should the kid.

    Amazing what we cover on the RL blog. 🙂

  38. Tigre, neither the Boy Scouts nor the Catholic Church are exactly impoverished institutions. This kind of thing goes unpunished in powerful organizations and with power there is always money.

    College sports is out of control and this scandal is but one bit of evidence to that effect.

  39. You wanna hear irony? I heard a comment on TV this morning to the effect that if they cut the football program at Penn State, the school will no longer be able to pay all the civil law suits that are coming its way from victims and their families.

  40. people like him believe the promises, covenants and blessings ascribed to Israel Abram’s (Abraham) seed (JC) in the Bible have been taken away passed from the Jews and given to the Church, which is the bride of Christ and has superseded includes them along with others. However, the Jews, along with the rest of humanity, are subject to the curses found in the Bible, eternal judgment as a result of their rejection of Christ.

    There. That is more like it.

  41. “Tigre, neither the Boy Scouts nor the Catholic Church are exactly impoverished institutions. This kind of thing goes unpunished in powerful organizations and with power there is always money.”

    Then I won’t bother with the example I had as a young lawyer volunteering my time to battered women/children in a domestic abuse program. I damn near went after a guy personally who did what Sandusky was accused of. I got to hear all about it from a 9 year-old boy that had stories about his 30 year-old cousin — the physical damage corroborated.

    I found out later there were several members of the family and neighborhood that were well aware of it and didn’t do a damn thing until coming to me. I heard how it meant the boy’s own fucking mother got a three day weekend out of the deal which is why she waited weeks after the last incident. Yep, according to her, bringing her son to me (who in turn took him to the Sheriff’s office, then the presiding Judge for a restraining order, then the DA, then the hospital) qualified as leave that wouldn’t count against her vacation days at work.

    Got that? She violated the most basic maternal instincts (protect her own boy) because it might fuck up her vacation time. And, there were numerous grown men related to the young boy and the rapist that turned a blind eye (while I was half crazed with rage).

    How a grown man could look the other way is a complete mystery to me. But I know this R, it ain’t just because of money or “powerful institutions.” That’s your simplistic liberal worldview. There’s other pressures that come to bear — albeit universally with self-interest at the core.

  42. Interestingly, I’ve heard that the traditional medical reason for circumcision was to avoid infections … pretty dumb if you ask me … just teach the kid proper hygiene.

    Though there is some debate, in WWI, it was found that men who had been circumcised had few cases of urinary tract infections and in WWII, it was found circumcised men experienced fewer cases of venereal disease – I doubt they were doing the dirty deed any less.

    I’ve also read that circumcision reduces sexual pleasure for the male.

    😆 That’s a wives tale. I can’t imagine it being any better. In fact, knowing what I do about the arousal “zone”, it would think it would be just the opposite.

  43. I hear you Tigre. There is a desire not to disturb the status quo, even if it includes unspeakable behavior. There is also the bystander effect that I linked to earlier in the thread exemplified by the Kitty Genovese case.

    I’m not saying money is a the root of all evil. Lots of poor kids get molested by poor adults in poor communities where no one speaks up. I am saying that power and money helped create the environment of exploitation in the Penn State case. I don’t see how that can be argued.

  44. Tex, I believe the “wives tale” is grounded in the notion that with no skin buffer between the glans penis and other things such as undergarments, the area loses some of its sensitivity. Doesn’t seem that far fetched to me.

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    It’s the best I could do without the benefit of a WordPress penis emoticon. 😀

  45. I’m still miffed at the woman for ignorant statement about the HPV vaccine in Texas. Clueless.

    Bachmann may be credentialed in school, even a fine attorney and she votes right. But as a politician, she leaves a lot be desired.

  46. Tex, I believe the “wives tale” is grounded in the notion that with no skin buffer between the glans penis and other things such as undergarments, the area loses some of its sensitivity. Doesn’t seem that far fetched to me.

    Well, if you would keep your hands out of your pants, you wouldn’t be rubbing against anything, Mr. Hairy Palms. 😈

    I could turn that around and say during the act, I am completely unencumbered, while I guess you aren’t. All I know is, it’s the one part of my body besides my heart that until very recently, worked every time like a charm – sometimes too well. 😀

  47. Rutherford, you need to quit exaggerating and take out about four of those dashes, you liar. I know you “brothas” got the reputation, but you are the exception to the rule. 😈

  48. I disagree Tex. I bet Rutherford has a monster for a penis. The deformed monstrosity probably has a few moose knuckles, maybe even a full blown joint….but I bet the ugly bastard has an epic wiener.

  49. Not to incriminate myself, but I got a perv for a brother-in-law, who sent me a link to a porno site some years back with a black midget, accompanied by several yuck yucks and amazement.

    The little man looked like he was about 4’0″ – but 12″ of that was swinging flaccid meat. It resembled something like a giant Italian sausage.

    Horses would have been terrified.

    There’s a sick joke there someplace.

  50. Big banking is working hard at closing down the occupy movement. They’ll succeed at sending it underground at best. You cannot effectively suppress a youth movement with police force. The best hope is to infiltrate and try to derail it. At least misrepresent it to the public to garner distrust. There is plenty of that going on. Lap it up.

    As for the political circus, it looks like Goldman Sachs is really putting out for Romney, so far. Mitt is their man of the hour. Their graph is like a see-saw with political parties over the years.

    http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=d000000085

    And Bank of America follows suit…

    http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?cycle=A&type=P&id=D000000090

    As does J P Morgan Chase…

    http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?cycle=A&type=P&id=D000000103

  51. If only I’d known how the length of my peniticon would be interpreted, I’d have made it longer.

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    I can picture Muffy now reading this part of the thread and laughing to herself “silly boys talking about their dicks again.” 🙂

    worked every time like a charm – sometimes too well. 😀

    That’s why God gave women vibrators … for when the men’s tool worked a little too efficiently. 🙂

  52. I’ve been a patient man …. I’ve even found myself rooting for Herman Cain but I’m sorry folks … it is officially over. It doesn’t matter what happens after the first minute and 22 seconds.

  53. re: Zucotti Park

    I was by there Thursday, on my way to the WTC Memorial. The only people outside their tents, etc. were pretty sad-looking Rasta types. They had signs about myriad different things; I didn’t see anything about Wall Street. They were pretty unfocused. Having participated in the Vietnam protests, it was to me very sad. No coherent message at all, just chaos. I was hoping for better.

    There appears to be no sanitation nearby; the local eateries let everybody use their bathrooms without a problem though. New Yorkers are the best: friendly, fun, chatty – not like the stereotypes AT ALL.

    Had to go through airline-type security to get in to the WTC memorial. They confiscated my Gerber multitool but I got it back later. Ditto at the boat for The Statue and Ellis Island, but they have no storage. The ranger suggested I hide it in a bush; when I got back of course it was gone. Guess they have a little business going selling those things to the local pawn shops. I kept the leather pouch though, so that cuts its value somewhat.

    But in any event, the Big Apple is back! Confident, forward-looking, with a good dose of fuck-you-we’re-the-tops. Just like it was before 9-11. Great, great place to be. Highly recommended.

  54. R, Cain lost your “support” with that video? Gimme a break. 🙄

    He never had my vote (either!), but that ain’t shit compared to the idiots you helped put in office. You’ve just got MSNBC syndrome.

  55. That does make Cain look bad, but I’ve seen and have posted here equally inept videos of Obama, when his teleprompter has failed. I don’t remember that changing your vote “R”.

    However, it’s really not a concern since I am almost sure the Republican candidate will either be Romney or Newt. And both are more than capable of blistering the frail ass of the supposed “great debater” (snicker).

    I actually water at the mouth thinking about Newt Gingrich debating Obama.

    I guarantee you I could beat Barack Obama in a debate and even be cordial with a smile. What do you think a professional debater like Gingrich would do?

    Line up for ass kickings Dims.

  56. I see Gorilla beat me to it, so I won’t provide the moments the teleprompter went off for Mr. Obama.

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  57. Tigre or BIC, can I ask a favor? I need some expertise. I’m a newbie at the legal profession and have never encountered a situation like this. My patience has run out and then some.

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    I had a new wood floor installed a little over a year ago. It developed what the manufacturers refer to as white line syndrome – it’s a function of the polyurethane not sticking properly to the edges of the boards. Long story which is not necessary and undoubtedly has become a nation wide problem. I received a two year warranty on the floor.

    A little over two weeks ago, after the installer honored the warranty from September 2010, and resanded, restained, and refinished the floor, the syndrome has appeared again – even quicker this time. I’m fed up and will not go through the process of tearing my house up again. It is incredibly messy, inconvenient, expensive, and time consuming to do this, requiring more than two weeks of my time on my dime to put the house back together when completed. I can’t even shower in my own home while the process is undertaken, and the process takes well over a week, then about two weeks to paint and clean up.

    Here’s my question. I am going to document this problem and will be sending a letter to the builder documenting the entire problem, his suggested solution, the dates of installation and redo, when the problems occurred, etc…I understand all that.

    I fully expect for the first time in my life, I will have to go to small claims court for reimbursement – hopefully, it is not beyond the maximum allowed. But there is no way in hell, I am going to go through the process of sanding these floors again, repainting, moving, etc…he had his chance and failed, not to mention ever time these floors are redone, the mess and wear and tear that takes place, including a brand new floor. Every time that floor is resanded, it takes away from the value of the floor – not to mention, it simply did not look as good after finished in comparison to the initial installation.

    What is the best, most proper way to document that the installer has received my letter of notification?

    I actually sympathize with the installer. He has been cooperative.

    I would appreciate any advice. And thanks Rutherford for letting me use the board for a personal issue. Mea Culpa.

  58. “What is the best, most proper way to document that the installer has received my letter of notification”?

    Send one letter certified, return receipt requested to the registered agent for the installer’s company (USPS) and a duplicate regular and certified to the main business office address. The signed receipt is prima facie proof of delivery to the addressee. Obviously keep copies of all of it for your own records.

    The Secretary of State (corporations division) for OK should allow you to search for the registered agent online. Look up the actual name of the company. If he’s operating with a trade name, try doing a reverse search for him as an officer or the registered agent himself. Most small companies do it that way.

  59. p.s. if you do wind up in small claims court, the registered agent is where you serve the complaint. In GA small claims are $15k or less. Appeals are de novo (anew) to the superior court which means that a defendant (or plaintiff) gets a second bite at the apple if they lose and file a notice of appeal timely (usually 30 days). keep in mind most of these small time operations are relatively judgement proof (meaning they don;t have sufficient assets available to levy/execute on a money judgment of any real size). Without a lot of goodwill built up, small contractors just abandon the prior entity and form a new one.

  60. Un-be-fuckin’-lievable. The Blamer-in-Chief says Americans have been lazy over the last few decades when it comes to “selling America” to foreign business. WTF???? The douche bag whose entire administration is devoted to supporting labor unions, increased corporate taxes, regulations, health care costs, epa, etc. etc.is casting blame on American business owners for not “selling America?” Fuck him! He should just continue lending his “support” to OWS to capture the minds of his mindless minions.

    And R will vote for him again — no matter what. 🙄

  61. My brothers always end up in small claims court for various issues. They always win.

    One of the proudest days to be an American was when I watched my brothers beat 3 lawyers (they owned the apartment complex he was living in) in small claims court. Justice was served.

  62. Thank you Tigre. I will follow your advice.

    I hate to be this way. I’m not even really blaming the installer – but it is me that inconvenienced, not him. I always swore I would go to my grave not involving myself in legal matters. I guess I was wrong.

    But I am so fed up with most companies lack of customer service, lousy service, ineptness, and sometime outright fraud, I have decided to start investing myself in helping to correct this problem. I wish others of decency and pride would join me, because these problems have become common place around these parts and it needs to stop.

    I have been a part of the problem, as have most others, because most of us don’t want to bother with the hassle, or don’t like the conflict. But my patience has worn out with car dealerships, shitty contractors, idiot repairmen, and Joe Handyman.

    ———–

    Case and point – and this is just the typical aggravation. Simple example of my general experience with about every facet of service anymore.

    I always take my newer cars to the dealership for service, even for oil changes. It has served me well in the past 10 years, because I then have an extensive record and ties to the manufacturer – saved me $4,500 on my Acura about two years ago when the transmission went out (without warranty, of course). Though more expensive, I always have record to back me up, debated with Acura in Dallas, and I guess won the argument about near luxury cars transmissions lasting 90,000 miles – always serviced when recommended. They replaced the transmission at no cost.

    Last week, I go in for a simple oil change – something I used to do myself, until it became impossible to deal with used oil. I go to Honda’s express service and I kid you not, they have the car back to me in about five minutes. I didn’t even finish my donut and had told them not to bother washing the car, or sweeping the mats – it was clean to begin with.

    I get home and about two hours later, out of the corner of my eye notice a puddle of oil below the car; not a few drips, but a puddle.

    I have to crawl under the car and first check to make sure the filter is tight. The filter is a bitch to get to while parked – a breeze on a rack. The filter is tight.

    Then I feel up on top of the frame (on the cold driveway, in the rain mind you), and determined the bastards didn’t even bother to wipe off the top of the frame or anything else for that matter with a rag. So I go in, get about 20 paper towels and begin to wipe off everything within general proximity – and there was oil everywhere – even on the back of the tires. WTH? I, of course am filthy at the end of it. No oil now.

    Here’s my bitch. Why did I even bother to go for service, when I ended up doing more work just to get the oil cleaned up from the garage floor and the bottom of the car?

    More so, these shysters told me they topped off all the fluids and took care of the air in my tires. Bullshit. I had checked the tires the night before so I could tell them they were low (they did) and they did nothing. So I drag my own compressor out, power it up, hook up the pneumatics, and start doing it myself, filled to the manufacturer’s recommended levels. 😡

    I gave some thought to buying or staring a small business after I left medical school. But I decided I would suffer a heart attack trying to find competent and dependable help like so many of these small business owners do, that I could never satisfy myself. I do have an eye for detail and little patience with people that have no self respect for their work.

    Now you know why over 25 years, I have basically taught myself every facet of home repair, short of large jobs like a roof. I can’t even find capable help anymore – and certainly not many individuals that seem to give a damn about reputation or doing things right. Where you and I would be embarrassed to stamp our name on that kind of quality work, doesn’t seem to bother the hucksters a bit.

    Another indicator to me that society is deteriorating rapidly.

  63. The Blamer-in-Chief says Americans have been lazy over the last few decades when it comes to “selling America” to foreign business.

    Which golf course did Obama make that statement? 😐

    That mofo wouldn’t know a real day of work if Michelle had a whip in her hands.

  64. Well, now how has this asshole President “sold” America? Was it his speeches, always overseas mind you, of our charges of imperialism? Or bowing to kiss the ring of dictators? Blowing the corrupt union bosses, maybe?

    Or was it screwing the Chrysler bondholders, maybe? Demonizing business and millionaires who worked their asses off? How about the highest corporate tax rate in the world, while awarding no bid contracts to his donors?

    Does that sell America?

    I think Obama meant to say “sold out” America.

    This is why I loathe this charlatan. His mealy-mouthed and pretentious nature. I don’t ever believe a word that comes out of his mouth.

    OWS = the end result of progressive politics.

  65. slain1967 needs a good kick in the ass. He titles his video “The Boy Still Says We’re Lazy”.

    You know why I hope Obama loses in 2012? Because I’m f*cking tired of dealing with assh*les who like to push racial buttons when they make their points about him.

    He ruined a completely legit point (namely that Obama as usual is not careful about his rhetoric when he talks at smaller venues … almost as if he doesn’t know he’s being recorded) by using racially loaded verbiage.

    A real douche bag. 😡

  66. Tex, I can sympathize with your situation. I have used sealers over the years for rock, brick, and wood. What you are experiencing is the failure of the product you call polyurethane. These products are not made the same way they were years ago. Supposedly more environment friendly, many have gone to water bases and the result is an inferior product, IMO. It is much the same with paints.

    The product manufacturer needs to be involved. Unfortunately you will probably have to fight this through the installer, if he was the purchaser of the product. If you purchased the product and he merely installed it, then you would have to contact the manufacturer. The manufacturer should hopefully have a decent warranty regarding not only the product, but also covering the labor to remove and reapply their product.

    Here in AZ we have a contractor’s association that can advocate for consumers and holds us to a minimum two-year warranty on the work regarding product and workmanship.

    Over the years, some of these older sealers would turn yellow and oxidize when aging, often they would shrink, crack, and peel. There is ongoing wood flooring as well as other sealer research. I have had manufacturers out to observe product failures and have had them pay for repairs and replacement. It has seemed that the more costly products do perform better.

    Around 12 years ago when we were putting together my wife’s Jazzercize studio, we put in a floating wood floor ourselves and sealed it. The sealing product was very pricey (nearly 50 dollars a gallon) and the fumes left us pretty high, but the results were outstanding. The product used had a 25 year warranty, and I’m certain it would hold out easily that long. As long as the application was done per the instructions, the manufacturer should honor the product warranty.

    But what a hassle. There is no easy fix, as you observed.

    And you are right about the entire “service” industry. The decline has been a gradual one and involves all areas of our society.

    Frustrating, isn’t it? You would think with the employment situation in this country that the folks with jobs would be top notch. The cream of the crop. Not so. Customer service has left the building.

    And I will NOT take another effin’ survey! Replace your frickin’ survey with good service, people. Useless marketers!

    Another reason “American Exceptionalism” is a joke, IMO.

  67. *lolz*
    *shakes head*
    *tilts head, narrows eyes, winces*
    *reads, types, thinks, erases*
    *lolz*
    *tilts head, sighs*
    *frowns*
    *shakes head*
    * :lolz: *
    *concentrates*
    *smiles*
    *types, pauses, erases*
    *frowns*
    *finishes*
    *smiles*
    *minimizes window*

  68. How about the highest corporate tax rate in the world

    I don’t remember where I read it, but I could have sworn I read somewhere that this oft repeated statement is a distortion if not a total fabrication. I’ll do some digging and try to find it.

  69. R,for cryin’ out loud, the guy that needs a good pimp-slappin’ is Obama not the guy posting the video. And frankly, I view Obama as a man-child so I don’t have a problem calling him a boy (although it exaggerates his maturity greatly).

  70. Did anyone watch the Diane Sawyer interview with Gabby Giffords?

    That was a little hard to watch and easy at the same time. She’s a really sweet woman. I hope she heals and heals and heals. And heals.

  71. OK, this may be what I was thinking:

    But by taking advantage of myriad breaks and loopholes that other countries generally do not offer, United States corporations pay only slightly more on average than their counterparts in other industrial countries. And some American corporations use aggressive strategies to pay less — often far less — than their competitors abroad and at home. A Government Accountability Office study released in 2008 found that 55 percent of United States companies paid no federal income taxes during at least one year in a seven-year period it studied. U.S. Business Has High Tax Rates but Pays Less

  72. “I’ll do some digging and try to find it.”

    Be sure to find R so you can beat your chest and tell us all it’s time to raise corporate tax rates to attract business since we’re not technically the highest in the world. 🙄

  73. R, most businesses are closely-held business that are taxed on a pass-through basis. A corporation or other entity paying no income taxes should not come as a shock.

  74. Regarding 106, Tigre, for an attorney, you seem to give a lot of latitude about language used. I thought you guys were known for being nit-picky about verbiage?

    Sorry 2011 or not, we’re still not far enough along in this society to call a black man a “boy” and not get some well deserved pushback unless the word is explicitly contextualized the way you did.

  75. Sorry. I typed too fast. But my point is clear.

    What was your point R? You do understand that the “tax the wealthy” component of your mantra is disaster for small businesses, don’t you?

    Of course not.

  76. “for an attorney, you seem to give a lot of latitude about language used. I thought you guys were known for being nit-picky about verbiage?”

    For blogger you sure do avoid the point. And I am sorry I don’t look for racism everywhere. . . well except the democratic party and my liberal friends by your standards.

    Shall we go back to calling Cain an Uncle Tom?

  77. Muffy, I watched the interview and expected some maudlin, sticky sweet, condescending bullcrap. I was VERY pleasantly surprised. Sawyer and her producers did a great job of telling the story of Gabby’s recovery in a straightforward yet human way. It was sensational.

    Also, as a lover of language, I found her slow recovery of speech very very interesting. How at first, everything was “chicken”. And now, how she often repeats words in sets of three (“yes, yes, yes”). I imagine there is some neurological explanation why things get repeated three times and not twice or four times. But I also love what her current condition says about the power of language. How we can express so much in so few words. Case in point:

    Diane Sawyer asks her if she’s angry about the shooting and she says “no, no, no” and then says “life … life” and we can tell without any further elaboration that she’s saying “that’s life, sh*t happens”.

    When the country is going to hell in a handbasket and the media (and this blog) is preoccupied with pedophile coaches, it is so enriching to see a truly heroic woman fighting her way back.

    BRAVO

  78. tell us all it’s time to raise corporate tax rates

    Nope Tigre. As I alluded to in a prior blog post, I’m favoring the elimination of loopholes and then stabilization of the tax rate such that it is transparent and predictable. With the loopholes eliminated, we should be able to lower the rate a tad.

  79. I’ve been researching this a bit Poolman, and apparently, when it is all said and done, and I believe the installers more than I do the manufacturers trying to CTA, it appears to correlate with (1) The higher price of oil; (2) The EPA mandating a change in the formulation of VOCs (Volatile Organic Compounds for the neophytes).

    That figures. Your right about the polyurethane quality. I did our floors in a rent house we had many years ago, and other than the scratches from the pets, the floor looked new after 10 years. The EPA screws things up, the manufacturers comply while trying to sustain profit, determine it doesn’t work as well but then deny the changes, the installers determine the manufacturers are at fault but won’t admit it, and the home owner is left holding the bag because the installer says screw it.

    I agree Poolman that American quality is not what it used to be – but that phenomenon started years ago in automotive, and I blame a large part of that on union craftsmanship – it generally sucks in every facet. Ever own a GM product in the late 70s/early 80s? My friend purchased a Chevy new that had the driver door hinges break the second day he owned it and drove home trying to hold the door up and closed with one hand, the other hand holding the wheel. That’s no lie.

    Throw in the EPA mandates and manufacturers trying to sustain price by cutting quality due in large part to regulation and greed , and I can tell that from purchasing many new items, including a water heater that lasted three years (the previous one lasted 21 years), the quality of heating and air (my folks had one that lasted almost 40 years – mine lasted five and cost $6,000.00 due to new rules for freon), appliances like washers and refrigerators which used to last a lifetime and now you have the Maytag repairman out when it arrives :roll:, its a major headache. That’s actually one of the reasons I don’t live large anymore – the more stuff I purchased, the larger the frustrations became.

    Even computers suck compared to what they were ten years ago. My children have gone through two PC laptops, two MACS, all of which have experienced problems the last two years.

  80. most businesses are closely-held business that are taxed on a pass-through basis. A corporation or other entity paying no income taxes should not come as a shock.

    I don’t buy that explanation. If that is truly what is going on then it’s an awfully dumb way to gather the statistic.

    I own an LLC. I report my LLC income on my personal tax return. I find it hard to believe that the stat keepers look to see how much Lawson LLC reported in taxes and therefore assume the corporation paid no taxes when it did indeed pay them through Rutherford Lawson’s personal tax return.

    I don’t believe your assessment accurately represents how the stat is arrived at. The stat is talking to companies like GE who paid no taxes last year.

  81. Tex I guess what confuses me is what remediation do you want from the courts that you can’t get outside the court? In other words, (and maybe I just missed this) what have you asked the installer to do that they have refused to do such that you need legal action?

  82. It’s not an explanation of anything other than it shouldn’t come as a surprise that a large segment of American businesses don’t pay corporate income tax. It’s also true that a lot of American businesses choose to establish operations outside of the US because of the cost of doing business here. In any event, the article addresses “corporate tax rates” not personal income tax rates.

    So again, why would we want to lower corporate tax rates R?

  83. Shall we go back to calling Cain an Uncle Tom?

    We can’t go back to something I didn’t do in the first place. 😉

    How about a little experiment Tigre? Walk downtown (Atlanta, right?) and greet every black man you see on the sidewalk as “boy”. In fact, say it with a big smile and a friendly tone in your voice. Try it about ten or fifteen times. Report back to me later today on how bloody your nose is, that’s assuming you’re still able to type a comment here. 😉

  84. two MACS

    I’m no Apple fanboy, but I’m real surprised by that Tex. I’ve always heard MAC’s are built rock solid unlike most PC’s. Then again the only MAC I’ve ever owned (and have since given away) was a hand me down from a business partner. So I have no experience to back up the reputation I’ve heard about.

  85. I’ll tell you for a fact who makes the shittiest appliances in the world. And I mean, they suck worse than K cars.

    GE – a complete piece of shit. True story. We bought a new one last year, and much to my chagrin, my wife wanted to match what we already had.

    They installed the POS, and the second washing, I’m standing there looking out our bay window with little sockies on my feet, when suddenly I realize my feet are wet on the bottom.

    I called the installer and they told, and this is no lie, it would be a week before they could make it out. 😡 I told them they’d find it at the curb – they made it that afternoon – AND IT STILL LEAKED, not to mention they scratched the damn cabinets pushing it back in.

    I got so damn frustrated, I took the door of myself and replaced the seal myself. Hasn’t leaked since. Brand new F***ing dishwasher, and I’m having to replace the part myself.

  86. “We can’t go back to something I didn’t do in the first place.”

    Nor did I title the video you saw. I gave you my reaction. Obama is a man-child R. And you think it’s just slips of the tongue rather than a severe defect in the guy elected as our leader. Funny whom you hold to high standards when it comes to rhetoric. . .

    I’ll stay away from your blaming Palin for Gifford’s shooting and lack of outrage for the Uncle Tom accusations your liberal media friends hurl to this day at Cain while you lecture us about race. Pffft!

  87. “better.” i understood.

    Actually Muffy you’re getting me back on my soapbox. That was another moment I loved. Diane asked her if she would return to Congress and she said “better” but it wasn’t clear what she meant until she gestured with her hands “going forward” and her husband translated “if she gets better going forward, she’ll return”.

    Great stuff. Part of getting through this is having a great support system.

    When I first got trached five years ago and was in the intensive care unit I could not speak. Now I am a talker big time, so I was frustrated as hell. My best friend visited me at the hospital and was able to read my lips perfectly. It was so satisfying to be understood.

  88. Ahem…

    The new e-mails about the layoff announcement were released Tuesday morning as part of a House Energy and Commerce committee memo, provided in advance of Energy Secretary Steven Chu’s scheduled testimony before the investigative committee Thursday.

    Solyndra’s chief executive warned the Energy Department on Oct. 25, 2010, that he intended to announce worker layoffs Oct. 28. He said he was spurred by numerous calls from reporters and potential investors about rumors the firm was in financial trouble and was planning to lay off workers and close one of its two plants.

    But in an Oct. 30, 2010, e-mail, advisers to Solyndra’s primary investor, Argonaut Equity [George Kaiser’s organization], explain that the Energy Department had strongly urged the company to put off the layoff announcement until Nov. 3. The midterm elections were held Nov. 2, and led to Republicans taking control of the U.S. House of Representatives.

    In related news, this is Obama’s explanation of the Solyndra issue…

  89. That’s what I was told too Rutherford – Apple – rock solid. The first one wouldn’t boot after six weeks.

    I will say this for Apple, though. Unlike the inbreds at Dell and HP/Best Buy, Apple was apologetic, immediately repaired the machine, provided a loaner to my medical school daughter, did all the transfer without asking, and was apologetic. Apple did it right as far as customer service. But shit, for what those machines cost, they ought to do it right.

    Tex I guess what confuses me is what remediation do you want from the courts that you can’t get outside the court? In other words, (and maybe I just missed this) what have you asked the installer to do that they have refused to do such that you need legal action?

    I’m going to ask for partial reimbursement on the floor. He’s had two chances to make it right, and can’t. I can’t yank the floor out, because I’d have to replace every damn door and trim which has been cut. But as far as I’m concerned, and he was the highest bidder as I liked what they did with underlying material so I chose him, he did not meet his promises and will now be afforded the opportunity to make it monetarily right.

    We aren’t tearing up the house a third time, nor are we sanding a new floor for a third time, which takes a considerable amount of life off the floor.

    As far as I’m concerned, he provided a defective floor, and I expect partial reimbursement. If he is not willing to do that, I’ll go to small claims court and ask for about a 1/3 of the cost reimbursed ($3,000.00) to make it right.

  90. Tigre are you deliberately trying to confuse me? Tex made a reference to the highest corporate tax rates in the world. That is what the article addresses … that despite our tax rate being only second to Japan, our companies actually pay the same or less than their counterparts around the world. Seems simple to me.

    Why might it be a good idea to lower corporate tax rates? Because it allows businesses to keep more of their profits and hopefully invest them in further employment and development.

  91. Incidentally, the “stat” keepers would merely need to look at what entity is filing the return.

    Then that backs up my assertion that pass-through is not part of this discussion. Lawson LLC as an entity does not file a return. I personally file one. So the stat keepers would never find any documentation saying Lawson LLC paid zero taxes on their 2011 return.

  92. Tex, you do realize don’t you, that you have developed the skills to start your own home contractor business … various handyman type stuff. I loved my handyman back in Middlebury. The dude could do anything around the house and he stayed pretty busy too and he didn’t hire subordinates. The only one who ever worked a job besides him was his wife.

  93. Nor did I title the video you saw.

    You DO take things personally don’t you? My gripe was with slaine1967, not you. If you thought I was suggesting that you endorsed the title, I sincerely apologize, that was not my intent. I was pissed at “slaine”. (Oh and I told him so!)

  94. Gorilla,

    Being Mr. Kaiser lives not too far away, you would choke on how the local paper is whitewashing this whole sordid Solyndra affair. I didn’t realize this until recently, but George Kaiser owns this damn town, including the “Republican” mayor – and it stinking to high heaven.

    Seems since the report came out about Solyndra, the paper ran a wonderful expose’ on George Kaiser’s philanthropy works, what a wonderful and modest man he is, how he attends the “Conservative” synagogue here, and George Kaiser’s foundation made a $22MM donation to our children’s education fund the next week here in Tulsa. Bravo! Bravo!

    Isn’t philanthropy wonderful? 😡 Isn’t it convenient? 22MM out of $10 billion, though our children are left with a $535MM dollar bill. And people are cheering old George for it like he’s a matinee idol.

    I swear, Rutherford should be glad I try to draw closer to God…

  95. Tex that begs the question what will you do with the money? Replace the floor? You’ve got to do something to fix the situation.

    Ever thought about carpet or tile? ❓

  96. G, when did I ever predict the unemployment rate would drop? Furthermore, when did I ever say Obama was a slam dunk for reelection particularly in light of that statistic? My only advice to the GOP is don’t get so cocky that you nominate a Herman Cain or a Newt Gingrich.

    Huntsman does a lousy job of defending what the Wall Street Journal says is the best economic plan of all the candidates. However, when Huntsman talks foreign policy, it’s clear the man knows what he is talking about.

    Romney and Huntsman are the GOP’s only hope of beating Obama among the current crop of candidates.

  97. I think the biggest frustration I have with modern products is they are designed to fail. They are built with a “life” expectancy and will need replacing at a point that is just beyond the stated warranty period. It is done with such precision that often only days after a warranty period is up, the product fails.

    And the extended warranty industry has blossomed. It is absurd that they offer these, to me. Insurance policies for products. These are very profitable and popular. After several years, you have basically paid the replacement cost.

    From what I gather, manufacturers are more concerned with staying in business than producing a superior product. If their products lasted longer, they would not be able to produce as many and therefore this “growth” that capitalism needs would be stunted.

    To me it is akin to promoting and not curing cancer so the cancer “industry” can keep their funding, fancy buildings and expensive machines, and provide sacred job slots.

    This is especially frustrating to me since I have always desired to build things to last forever, if possible. The “do it right so I only have to do it once” and “use the best products available for the best results” meme I have always touted. It is now considered anti American to criticize capitalism, our most cherished religion.

  98. Tex, you do realize don’t you, that you have developed the skills to start your own home contractor business … various handyman type stuff. I loved my handyman back in Middlebury. The dude could do anything around the house and he stayed pretty busy too and he didn’t hire subordinates. The only one who ever worked a job besides him was his wife.

    Except I would starve to death – because I am so picky about the quality. I couldn’t do that day in and day out Rutherford. I do some work over at my mom’s house and for my neighbors (for free), and the frustrations of working on anothers home are endless.

    Trying to fix somebody other than your own screw ups is maddening.

    Get this. Another horror story. My cute little neighbor busted the pull string in one of her ceiling fans outside. I volunteered to fix it for her, which required on this model, I pull down the ceiling fan. I stick my drill up to unscrew while on an 8′ ladder, and the damn ceiling fan falls into my arms, the bell practically knocking me senseless.

    I look up and some “licensed” electrician has stripped the threads to the electric box which it is attached, packed the side of the electric box with newspaper to make it snug, and get this – used not electrical tape but masking tape under the wire caps. I’m not kidding – masking tape. This young couple spent thousands of dollars on this home before moving in, supposedly paying professional wages to do it – and this is the quality they get.

    I guess Mr. License was attempting to burn the house down. I told Melissa she needed to report this – but she had no idea the electrician 10 years ago.

    The common wire was completely burnt as far as my eye could see – it’s damn lucky the entire deck cover didn’t burn down. That little “volunteer” effort caused me about two days worth of work, including have to pull the wire back all the way back through the wall to the switch, and I was so embarrassed at volunteering to help, I insisted on buying her a new fan – she wouldn’t let me do. But I insisted on replacing the electric box because the damn threads were so stripped, which required I pull the deck paneling off and repaint.

    That’s the kind of quality work you find in homes anymore. I could tell you one story after another of hatchet jobs I’ve found.

  99. Current laws R, the CBO says current laws will keep unemployment at 9%. So I’m gonna venture that RAISING TAXES about CURRENT LAWS will result in badness.

    Take a deep breath and see the forest, not just the trees.

  100. By the way, I told my neighbor to call an electrician (a real one). That charred common wire should have tripped the breaker box – and I was scared if I opened the main panel, there would be no circuit breakers and just large rolls of masking tape and newspaper. 😆

    Now you can accuse my neighbors of trying their own hand, but she swore they had never touched any of this, and wouldn’t know how anyway. I believed her.

  101. I have a buddy that is a handyman and does excellent work. He’s well paid for it, too. He works primarily alone but also with his wife. I thought about doing that for a living, since I possess many skills needed for home repairs. But I have the same hesitations. I need to produce perfection, and often the situations involved make that impossible.

    Like Tex noticed, those situations are everywhere. Some of the stuff I have uncovered is really scary. It is a wonder there are not more homes burning down or folks being electrocuted more often with what I have discovered “buried” in both residential and commercial spots.

    And we have agencies that are supposed to govern our practices. It is really a false sense of security. If folks knew how unsafe so many things in their daily lives really were, they would not sleep well at night.

  102. I partly disagree with you Poolman. Capitalism in its purest form demands quality merchandise. It is the way you keep ahead of your competition and the way you get repeat business and a solid reputation. Capitlism is Darwinian — survival of the fittest. That implies quality workmanship.

    What has failed isn’t capitalism, it’s American standards. It’s what consumers will tolerate. The cell phone industry has always amused me. Call me old fashioned but I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve had a cell phone conversation that was of equal quality to an old fashioned Ma Bell. Yet we consumers eat up cell phones readily willing to sacrifice quality for convenience. Some folks have been willing to kill their land lines altogether.

    The market has changed. Consumers are willing to “settle” and overall quality throughout American society has declined. I do believe at times we are witnessing the fall “of the Roman Empire.” 😦

  103. G, you’ve lost me. What CURRENT LAW raises taxes? The Bush tax cuts are still in place and what we do about taxes is being hotly debated in the supercommittee. Now, if you’re saying under current law taxes are still too high, that is another story entirely.

  104. Tex … it’s called “mind control”. Instead of letting prior shoddy workmanship get to you, make a friggin bundle correcting it.

    Think about it … if you had not volunteered for your neighbor and had been hired instead, you could’ve made a nice few days wages. Once you build a reputation such that your fix prescriptions are viewed as legit and not just milking the customer for everything you can find, you’re smooth sailing.

    I’m telling you man … it sounds like you know your way around things. Hell, you might even be able to use some advertising gimmick — “If I find shoddy workmanship in fixing your house, I’ll give you a 15% discount on all the work I do to fix the other assh*les f*ckup.” Of course this ad would only air on HBO. 😀

  105. Actually Rutherford, it’s a first. I agree with both you and Poolman, because I think you’re both right.

    I believe the consumer is in large part to blame, because they have tolerated this baloney and the manufacturers know they will tolerate it because they have neither the time, choice or inclination to pursue it further. Many don’t know how.

    And I believe Poolman is right, as it has been my experience a lot of these items are built to fail anymore. Had a plumber who had worked for the manufacturer of Rheem tell me that Rheem had determined their water heaters to be too good some years back, and couldn’t “make any money” when water heaters were lasting 20 years. What do you think their solution was?

    I’ve bought a lot of hand and power tools over the years, and I’ll tell you for a fact, my Craftsman tools of 20 years ago are far better quality than what I am purchasing today – far better.

    In fact, for the first time in 20 years, I have been skipping Home Depot and Lowes and returning to backwards Sears because they honor their warranties and I can get replacement parts.

    You think one of these gas edgers built today would last 24 years like mine has? Briggs & Stratton made some very fine engines once upon a time, and I change the oil once a year – that’s it. Starts on the second pull every spring. All I do is refresh the gas periodically.

  106. I am convinced from the quality (or lack thereof) that I saw that Connecticut home inspectors are on the take. I also think the licensing that goes on in the state must be corrupt. Just too much shoddy work.

  107. Rutherford,

    The problem is that do the quality work requires time and effort – plus the capital. And most people today either don’t have that kind of money, or aren’t willing to pay that kind of money. That’s the problem. I have found it is much more difficult to work on existing fixtures than to help build new ones, and sometimes many of the costs are hidden until you tie into the job.

    Poolman could provide you the abhorrent cost of trying to run a business. Fed taxes, state taxes, city/county fees in some cases – then you get to double your FICA, plus if you have any employees you have workman’s compensation to pay.

    I honestly don’t know how small business owners do it anymore. So I volunteer to help people who can’t do it.

    Here’s another story of blatant ripoff.

    I had a new water heater installed before I had the hardwood floors installed – I could have done both myself, and after looking at both, should have.

    So the plumbing company, who did a horrid job and left me with a old water tank with 50 gallons of water in my hall (I kid you not because it wouldn’t drain; long story which they screwed up the anode and clogged the outlet) by law requires the city approve the installation. Try moving a full water heater – I got out my dolly but had to take it through the bedroom. It was so heavy, I was scared it would bust the front tile. I took a sledge hammer to it and knocked the outlet off. 🙂 There’s a quick way to drain water.

    Cost me $95.00 for the city man to open the door and slap a tag on the water heater. I stood right beside him when he did it. $95.00 for his name and a date on a city sticker. Guess he saw who did the installation and need not bother. Never even looked up – he wasn’t there two minutes. True story.

  108. Whether it is business or capitalism or both, the biggest issue I think I have with it all is the nondisclosure. You often see, “Lifetime Warranty” and feel you have a well-built item, only to find when it fails in a year or two that it costs more money and effort to get the company to replace it than it does to go buy another one from the local K-Mart. They have shelves full of replacements. The local dump (probably privatized) is full of their “Lifetime” products. 😡

    How many years is a hose nozzle supposed to last? A coffee maker?

    I can hardly find one that lasts a year anymore, no matter how simple or fancifully it delivers. 😦 Buyer beware…

    A lot of things come with “intelligence” anymore.

    It is engineered with a fail/replace cycle.

    So very scientific this has all become.

    How convenient for all of us. 🙄

    Is anyone still checking for lead in all this China stuff?

  109. R, the reason you think I’m trying to “confuse” you is because you gloss over the point. That was, what Obama said.

    As for the “federal corporate INCOME tax rates” (not personal income, capital gains, or others Rutherofrd — the ones you seem to want to raise even though the majority of small businesses are taxed at those rates), if you’ll go back and stitch together what I said and connect it to Obama’s comments (not your avoidance of them) this should make sense. BTW, businesses are licensed and recorded so a comparison of their existence and payment of corporate tax rates is not that hard of a task.

    (of course it is interesting to note that you admit that lower corporate tax rates might stimulative effect while you cheer the brain-dead OWS lemmings. Any contradictions? Nah. . . nothing to see here).

    As for your “outrage” I am talking about the type of “outrage” you exhibited from the title of the video — “boy.” Where is that “outrage,” finger-wagging and personal affront when it came to your liberal, race-baiting media friends (and elected officials) for the guy that’s obviously too stupid to vote for his own (black) interests? (voting republican is voting against ones interests because of race or gender are your words, not mine).

    Sheesh. For a political blogger you sure seem to give a lot of latitude to our President and yourself when it comes to name calling, casting blame and and dividing his own constituency. 😆

  110. I do believe at times we are witnessing the fall “of the Roman Empire.”

    Now YOU’re talking biblical prophesy! 🙂

  111. Tex, true story.

    I had a business fraud case once that involved (very tangentially) some retard’s manufacture of a so-called vault-less casket made from composite. Among the marketing materials I discovered in a box was a “lifetime warranty” for the value of the casket at the time of interment.

    So it got me wondering what the value of a used plastic casket be and just how one might be expected to discover it had failed.

  112. Poolman, as a Poolman, you can appreciate this.

    Bought a rubber hose that doesn’t kink lately? I’ve now bought two this year, and both are junk. Yesterday, I cleaned my gutters, along with my neighbor’s gutters. I spent more time crawling off the ladder to undo a kink than I did spraying the gunk. I’ve even let these hoses sit out and bake in the sun. I’m surprised they don’t melt.

    There was a time we could put a man on the moon. Now we can’t even create a flexible rubber hose.

    And something like buying wood? It resembles wood when you look at it – I think it’s sawdust, mixed with Elmer’s glue. I purchased several 12 ft pieces of quarter round to finish the baseboards on my “refinished” floor. Before I could get them to the miter saw, I determined if you didn’t pick them up about 6′ down the plank, they snapped in your hand like twigs. When did this start happening? Fifteen years ago, I don’t remember base shoe snapping in my hands. I’ve got a lot more scarf joints than I had intended. 😡

    Home Depot’s crap is cheap as hell. I’m about to give up on them.

  113. Poolman could provide you the abhorrent cost of trying to run a business.

    Well it’s not like I’m totally ignorant of it. I do run a business. As a consultant I have the benefit of near zero cost of supplies, no inventory, etc etc so I understand your point that someone in the services world faces some challenges.

    I just think it’s a shame .. you’ve clearly got skills that could get you off your ass and bring in some cash. But you are right … the hassles just ain’t worth it for some folks.

  114. vault-less casket made from composite.

    😆 I didn’t have to go any further than that, to make that story funny. I’ve decided “composite” can mean a great many things.

    Among the marketing materials I discovered in a box was a “lifetime warranty” for the value of the casket at the time of interment.

    😆 😆

    Some scumbag ripping people off on caskets. Damn, can we sink any lower? I guess that dirt bag in Florida, who was cutting the legs off to make them fit might rank?

    I guarantee you if there’s a casket that leaks like a sieve, it will be the one my family buys for me. It’s inevitable. I’ll probably float out into the street.

  115. “I believed her.” – Tex

    Of course you did, I mean, you already told us she was cute. 🙂

    Tex, I don’t know if you like college hoops, but this tip off classic marathon on ESPN has been pretty decent. I really enjoyed watching Huggins and his thugs get it handed to them this morning by Kent State. Looks like Memphis is going to weather Belmont. The next offering should be pretty good. Baylor and San Diego St. Both fairly athletic. BTW, you might ask Huggins to lend you his post guy to fix your floor. He was laying bricks all game. 😉

  116. Thor,

    🙂 Oh, you caught that? Well, you don’t think I’m going to offer my services without some fringe benefit, do you? I have found myself sneaking a peek. Great cleavage, nice tennis legs.

    I do follow college basketball, but I had no idea a tournament was going on this morning. What time did the game start?

    I can count down the months until my Jayhawks choke once again. Bet they get it handed to them tonight.

    And my Cowboys? I smell another lame NIT tournament come March.

    I hate Duke but like Coach K too. Glad to see him break the record soon.

  117. For a political blogger you sure seem to give a lot of latitude to our President and yourself when it comes to name calling, casting blame and and dividing his own constituency. 😆

    With the exception of the President part, just call me Ann Coulter and get it over with. 😆

  118. “It is neither in Asia nor in North America. His slip was probably due to his being at the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Hawaii and he was trying to appeal to folks clearly in Asia.”

    Or it was a gaff. 🙄

    I was really rooting for him too. But after reaching the 35 minute mark there is nothing left to salvage. 😆

  119. “R, blaming Coulter for your and Obama’s shortcomings is not putting the bus in “D” is it?”

    I thought we already established that R doesn’t have a “short” – coming. 😉

    I bet his Adam’s Apple is smaller than hers, though.

  120. Tex, what did he say. I don’t want to watch 42 minutes. BTW, I think it’s cool that Coach K is breaking the record of his former coach and mentor. Stranger than fiction. He’ll get it tonight unless Izzo’s guys show up in a big way. What did you think of K. Sampson when he coached at OU? When he was up here at WSU he always struck me as a self-promoter more than a coach. Great recruiter but horrible game coach. After what happened at Indiana, my opinion of him has been solidified.

  121. “What was issue DR?”

    My brother had no heat for two months in his apartment, November and December, no less.

    He refused to pay December’s rent and got a verbal “ok” from the owners over this.

    3 years later, the owners try to come after him for that month’s rent plus a late fee that rolled over and grew every month. My brother was never late one day on the rent.

    I showed up as a witness to the heat being out, although the lawyers who owned the apartment building didn’t contest that fact.

    The judge (I actually don’t remember him being a judge…arbitration guy…whatever) looked at the rent payment history and the fact that my brother had to sleep with a winter coat for two months and scolded the dudes.

    The other one was over a bad refrigerator a different brother of mine bought. He got his money back.

  122. ET and/or BIC, do you think this is some sort of temporary injunction or does this mean they are protected from another eviction until a new law is passed about the park?

    New York (CNN) — A New York judge issued an order Tuesday allowing Occupy Wall Street protesters to return to Zuccotti Park, just hours after scores of riot police ordered them out and tore down their tents.

    The order from New York Supreme Court Judge Lucy Billings allows protesters to bring tents and other equipment back into the privately owned park where the now-global Occupy movement began.

    Police, however, did not immediately let them in, after city officials expressed health and safety concerns about the park just as the winter months roll in.

    Soon after the ruling, a large group of demonstrators — some of them apparently holding the court documents — marched back to Zuccotti Park and presented the documents to police.

  123. Thor,

    I’d have to actually see the pleadings and the order before giving a definitive answer, but, if it was me, I would have plead that the city waived whatever authority it was trying to evict them under by letting the farce continue as long as it has. The other wrinkle is that the park is private property, which leads to other issues, such as whether or not the fleabaggers are licensees or invitiees, which may also impact the ability of the owner to evict them.

    That said, if there is TB there, there now may be a credible public health argument for shutting it down and sending them back to their mommy’s basements.

  124. Thorazine, given the timing it would have had to have been a TRO which will expire by its own terms within a specified period (generally less than 30 days in most jurisdictions) without a preliminary injunction being put in place. The showing to obtain a TRO is very low because they are entered before the respondent even has a chance to appear and formally respond. “Irreparable harm” (if not granted) is the standard and without looking at it this probably rests on some first amendment challenge. I assume it went up on a Rule Nisi (show cause order) and was heard within 24-48 hours.

    The object of TRO and Preliminary Injunctions is to maintain the status quo pending a ruling on the underlying issues. Rarely will are permanent injunctions entered — especially on something like this. Usually the TROs are not reviewable(except in an emergency) but the preliminary is directly appealable upon issuance. In other words, things are at a stand still for the time being which will not be too long.

  125. DR, I assume it was a landlord tenant dispute that went to a magistrate.

    If you conduct yourself with the proper decorum in small claims courts, you can kick a lawyer’s ass. For the most part in my experience, the magistrate (small claims) judge’s are much, much harder on lawyers than lay persons.

  126. (and that’s usually because the small claims judges were not the top of their class or their profession if you know what I mean).

  127. G, you’ve lost me. What CURRENT LAW raises taxes? The Bush tax cuts are still in place and what we do about taxes is being hotly debated in the supercommittee. Now, if you’re saying under current law taxes are still too high, that is another story entirely. – R

    You're not so sharp are you spanky?

    Obama is pushing for higher taxes/increased business regulation.

    Current tax/business laws will perpetuate 9%+ unemployment.

    Therefore, Obama's plan will make matters worse than current laws.

    Clear?

  128. Yeah, we showed up in our best cheap suites we owned at the time. We even brought our mom with us.

    Being the classless white trash that we were back then, we busted out laughing when we saw the owners in the parking lot. I remember my brother gave them that “suck it” symbol from pro-wrestling that was popular about ten years ago. Remember that move? You give your crotch a double handed karate chop.

    Slicksters weren’t so slick that day.

  129. and that’s usually because the small claims judges were not the top of their class or their profession if you know what I mean

    Well of course, any judge that would not favor an attorney would have to have graduated at the bottom of his class. 😛

  130. Obama is pushing for higher taxes/increased business regulation.

    Current tax/business laws will perpetuate 9%+ unemployment.

    Therefore, Obama’s plan will make matters worse than current laws.

    Clear?

    As I said before, when did I ever contend that any current or future Obama policy would bring down the unemployment rate? To repeat, you’re “aheming” the wrong person.

    On the contrary, I have contended that the unemployment rate will remain high until companies take the high road and hire Americans. So long as employers want the cheapest labor available, it really doesn’t matter what happens with taxes. We are screwed.

  131. It is neither in Asia nor in North America. His slip was probably due to his being at the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Hawaii and he was trying to appeal to folks clearly in Asia.

    Nice try.

    How so numb nuts? I never mentioned continent. Last I looked, Hawaii damn sure isn’t part of Asia like your dope for President just suggested. Perhaps you’re going to tell me next, D.C. is part of Africa?

    And politically, which is all Zero knows, Hawaii by definition is most definitely part of North America. Let us not forget what President Cinco de Cuatro was attending.

    How long before you keep covering for this sham? If that had been Herman Cain, you would have been writing him off again.

  132. Thor,

    My opinion of Sampson is not much different than your opinion. I thought he was a pompous ass while at OU, and then left the program in trouble when he left.

    I guess you could excuse it once (cough cough), but when Sampson followed the same game plan at Indiana, it became pretty obvious Sampson was nothing but a self-promoter.

  133. Hey Thor,

    I see you’re an EWU grad. The red football field? I was watching something on ESPN a few months ago and thought I remembered the red football field affiliated with EWU. I remembered correctly.

    If so, is it hard to watch a game in attendance? Burn your eyes out.

  134. I am outraged that people aren’t outraged of what is coming to light in this new Peter Schweitzer book detailing the corruption of Congress in the buying and selling of stocks with inside information. And this is an equal opportunity sin spanning the entire political spectrum. Every one of these scumbags should be going to prison. Why are we condemning Wall Street when our elected representatives are the biggest crooks of all?

    The list of insider trading is staggering. Do you know that many of these kings and queens in Congress had capital gains in 2008? Capital gains in a market that was tanking a 1,000 points a day in some instances.

    While we all were losing our shirts as were millions of others, these SOBs were shorting the market. Our Congressman dammit!!! We aren’t we hanging people on the public square anymore? I mean it!

    Can’t we for once put aside our differences, and they are fundamental and many, and all agree that Washington needs to be cleansed in every capacity and at the very least demand these assholes start playing by the same set of rules the rest of us are forced to live by?

    Ladies and gentlemen, the biggest governmental problem in America today is a combination of ignorance and apathy of the American citizen. We deserve the government we get and we are letting the inmates run the asylum.

  135. Tex, watch out! You’re starting to sound like an anarchist. You’re banging MY drum. I’ve already been accused rubbing off. Though I think it is more a permeate process myself. 😎

  136. On the contrary, I have contended that the unemployment rate will remain high until companies take the high road and hire Americans. So long as employers want the cheapest labor available, it really doesn’t matter what happens with taxes. We are screwed.” – R

    R, you own a business right? How many employees do you have? Why haven’t you hired more?

    Secondly, have you ever taken a business course? Is your goal, as a business, to break even? Who do the profits you make belong to? Should they?

    Finally, are increased government regulations going to improve your ability to operate? Are higher taxes going to improve the likelihood of hiring more people?

    If you support Obama, you support higher taxes and increased government regulations. Period. If you support Obama, then you support his economic policies and you approve of his handling of the economy. Unsurprisingly, that puts you in the minority.

  137. I am outraged that people aren’t outraged

    That’s gotta be one of my favorite opening lines to a comment of all time. 🙂

    You know, I’m not sure exactly how this stuff works but I always thought insider trading had to be proven before someone’s stock ownership rights were taken away. I don’t think you can ipso facto demand that once elected to Congress you have to divest and not invest further.

    Hell, I’d submit, Tex, that lots more people trade on inside info than you’d ever imagine. Despite the fact that he makes his living giving stock tips, Jim Cramer always used to say “tips are for waiters”. He would say anyone who gives you a stock tip either doesn’t know what they’re talking about or they’re violating the law because they have inside information.

    Rather than prohibit stock trading within the legislative, I’d launch an investigation into trading activity and corresponding legislative voting patterns. (God I sound like Michele Bachmann :shock:) Perhaps, if possible, I’d prohibit stock trading for members of Congressional financial committees.

  138. I sincerely hope G’s Gingrich video posting was meant as a criticism because if so, I agree 100%. Newt thinks he’s running against the media instead of against his fellow GOP primary candidates. This comment on the video page (incidentally posted by someone named p00lman) captures it perfectly:

    To get Republicans fighting? Uh, Newt, you’re all campaigning individually. You can’t collectively become president.

    G, an interesting part of the CBS GOP debate Saturday night was when Newt, Cain and Perry all wanted to reevaluate whether or not Pakistan was our ally (and whether they should receive foreign aid). Santorum basically said they were crazy … that we MUST support Pakistan if for no other reason than they’ve got nukes. Your thoughts?

    (I find Perry’s position on starting at zero with foreign aid strangely appealing. When you’re up against it financially, should you really be giving aid to countries that don’t particularly like you?)

  139. I would make it a rule that Congress members must divest themselves of individual stocks and bonds before taking office and their funds may be moved into a mutual fund of their choice for the length of their terms, or cashed out without penalty. And if they choose the mutual fund, the fund must remain static for their length of office. I guarantee you that would immediately stop the short selling shenanigans and churning.

    Alan Greenspan, an otherwise unremarkable bum married to a political hack, moved all of his equity assets into cash before taking the Fed Chairmanship – perhaps his only lasting good legacy. Upon leaving office, Congressmen are then free to reinvest from that fund without penalty or personal cost incurred.

    Jim Cramer is another sham who couldn’t invest any better than you or me without his inside info Rutherford. He can’t beat the market now that he’s a TV personality and playing like the rest of us. I can summarize his every show with two phrases no matter all the chatter: (1) Best of breed; (2) Diversify. I guess some people think that’s a genius opinion. Anybody that has ever sat in an investment class in college realizes that is the first thing you’re taught.

    And Cramer is hardly alone. Warren Buffett is the ultimate inside trader and crony capitalist, and has been for years. While I give him a clap of the hands for his Berkshire Hathaway fund 30 years ago, it has become very obvious Uncle Warren has been and is playing by a different set of rules for many years.

    All of these “geniuses” we’ve grown accustomed to missed both the tech bubble and real estate bubble.

    The people we should be listening to are the ones who didn’t miss the bubbles. And their outlook with Obama at the helm.

    Bleak.

  140. It’s getting to the point of anybody supporting this OWS movement is about on par with O.J. supporters and Kim Kardashian groupies:

    Today’s Headline:

    Ring Worm Outbreak at Occupy Santa Cruz

    😆 😆 Packs of mange and filth, upstanding members of the cult of O’Bama, living in their own excrement. Even wild animals don’t shit their den.

    Innately stupid.

  141. I sincerely hope G’s Gingrich video posting was meant as a criticism because if so, I agree 100%. Newt thinks he’s running against the media instead of against his fellow GOP primary candidates. This comment on the video page (incidentally posted by someone named p00lman) captures it perfectly:

    To get Republicans fighting? Uh, Newt, you’re all campaigning individually. You can’t collectively become president.

    G, an interesting part of the CBS GOP debate Saturday night was when Newt, Cain and Perry all wanted to reevaluate whether or not Pakistan was our ally (and whether they should receive foreign aid). Santorum basically said they were crazy … that we MUST support Pakistan if for no other reason than they’ve got nukes. Your thoughts?

    (I find Perry’s position on starting at zero with foreign aid strangely appealing. When you’re up against it financially, should you really be giving aid to countries that don’t particularly like you?)” – R

    Yet, that has actually been one of the prime reasons why he is surging in the polls. He recognizes the left need for the GOP to destroy its own in the primaries, but he’s stayed above that and on message. Clearly, he recognizes that the American people are looking for solutions, but he also knows that he has too much historical baggage to sling mud. That’s OK though because by staying positive and on message, he can hurt Obama most. The Dems don’t want this to be about records, they want it to be about perceptions. If Newt is successful in keeping past, present and future policy in the forefront, he’ll be very damaging to Obama.

    I think we all agree that Obama, quite frankly, is not very smart- especially on his feet. He uses a teleprompter so much because he recognizes that he easily goes off message and becomes very ideological- an ideology that has/is/will not be in the mainstream of America. This is one reason why Obama will refuse Newt’s offer of conducting Lincoln-Douglas style debates and will stick to sanitized media controlled debates where he knows he will not be really held accountable to his record. I think that strategy will fail though because Newt will be effective in pulling Obama’s record into every question and answer.

    I can’t say much about Pakistan other than Santorum is wrong on both policy and action. We constantly reevaluate these kinds of positions recognizing the contextual factors involved. Santorum should know better…

    I don’t disagree with Perry on premise, but I recognize that foreign aid is a valuable tool and a good form of leverage. Sometimes it is the states you like the least that you want on that money-drip because it allows you a non-kinetic lever to coerce certain actions. This is where the State Department minions usually get it wrong- diplomacy is the art of getting what you want in the most economically manner possible. Sometimes that’s through dialogue, other times it is through force, but to fail to recognize that ALL of these are a part of diplomacy is foolish. It is interesting in that most of the military planning minds I know have read Kissinger’s Diplomacy but very few “diplomats” have ever read Clausewitz.

  142. If you support Obama, you support higher taxes and increased government regulations. Period. If you support Obama, then you support his economic policies and you approve of his handling of the economy.

    Let’s play devil’s advocate a minute. Perhaps I support Obama for his aggressive war on terror? 😉

    My point is, to say supporting a leader is to support everything he stands for is preposterous. I didn’t support the surge in Afghanistan. I don’t think “Obamacare” was radical enough. And quite frankly supporting Obama is to some degree measuring him against the alternative. Not voting for John McCain was a no-brainer. The only folks who I might want to vote for on the GOP side this go-round are Huntsman and Paul. Otherwise, again, voting for Obama for me is a no-brainer.

  143. Ring Worm Outbreak at Occupy Santa Cruz

    Damn, that’s embarrassing.

    You know the tide is turning when an MSNBC morning chat show turns decidedly against OWS.

    I’m even slightly annoyed at Rachel Maddow for insisting the movement must remain as is. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again … it’s the OCCUPY part that is the problem. These folks need to march and protest during the day and then go the hell home.

  144. The more I hear of Santorum, the more mindless and shallow he becomes – and he’s still infinitely better than Obama. That’s the problem with Evangelicals running for office – politics seems to invariably attract the dumbest ones. None of us with any sense are willing to deal with having our families dragged through the muck. Not worth it.

    Santorum basically said they were crazy … that we MUST support Pakistan if for no other reason than they’ve got nukes.

    Did we lend our financial support the USSR? How about Communist China during the pre Nixon years?

    When I was a kid in a dumber, younger, so much younger day, I would tell my mother, “Yeah MOM! But the USSR has twice the arsenal of nuclear weapons that we have. We might kill 10,000,000 – they could kill 100,000,000!!! (while flailing my arms).”

    And her succinct, clear headed answer was, “Doesn’t really matter as long as the bombs are pointed at the right 10,000,000 people.” She was right, of course as history proved.

    ———–

    So here’s the inaugural Tex Taylor Presidential election suggestion for dealing with Pakistan if they so much as hint at threatening with their nuclear arsenal.

    No mealy-mouthed response to this one.

    I’d tell any group of thugs posing as Pakistani leaders, “If you so much as click a motor and we get wind of it, I’ll give Calcutta 100 Predator drones gift wrapped with hydrogen bombs to fly around your neighborhoods and your silos 24 hours a day. Doesn’t matter who gets hurt, we are going to see to it your entire existence, including your family, are turned to molten glass with a push of a button – uninhabitable for a hundred years. Do you understand me clearly shitheads? Because this will be your one and only warning.”

  145. G, before you get too ecstatic about Newt (boy am I disappointed, I thought there for a minute you were criticizing him), the old Gingrich got paid handsomely by Freddie Mac for offering “historical advice”. Yeah, bullsh*t. He was a paid consultant. And now the two of them (Newt and Freddie) are differing about what advice was given. Considering that Newt is a pathological liar, I’d believe Freddie’s version.

    Newt’s also admitted to supporting a health care mandate. Newt’s also gone on tour with Al Sharpton of all people.

    Newt is the latest flavor of the month now that Cain is tanking. Romney will be the nominee.

  146. To what end Rutherford? Seriously. You endorse these idiots. Is the class warfare thing somehow romantic? They don’t have a clue how to effect change. And it looks like the ultimate manifestation of the “talk about rather than do” generation we’ve created. Since this has nowhere to go,why you believe this will not ultimately result in property damage and violence to the benefit of no one is totally beyond me.

    OWS Protesters Calling For ‘Day Of Action’ Following Loss Of Camp In Zuccotti Park

    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/11/16/ows-protesters-calling-for-day-of-action-following-loss-of-camp-in-zuccotti-park/

    ” No more talking. They’ve got guns, we’ve got bottles. They’ve got bricks, we’ve got rocks…in a few days you’re going to see what a Molotov cocktail can do to Macy’s.”

    Keep cheering Rutherford. 🙄

  147. You guys underestimate Obama big time. Now I’m not saying Obama is the greatest debater but if you don’t think his handlers will prepare him up the ying yang for any debate with Gingrich, you can guess again.

    Obama: “So Newt tell me why you once supported the health care mandate?”

    Obama: “So Newt, why did you support intervention in Libya until I did it and then you no longer supported it?”

    Sheeeeeut, that’s just two questions from an amateur political blogger. Can you imagine what other goodies Obama’s crew can come up with?

    Puhleeeeze. Gingrich is a legend in his own mind.

    P.S. Watch how Gingrich turns pussy and doesn’t go near the Kenyan anti-colonialist garbage he was spewing earlier this year. Mmmm another good question:

    Obama: “So Newt, explain to me why being anti-colonialist is a bad thing considering the history of this country?”

    Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha 😆 😆 😆

  148. Wow , you are incredibly out of touch R. Gingrich would kick Obama’s ass in a debate, particularly one that was based on ideology (especially the ones that Obama disavows when it’s convenient).

    R, after reading your comment I have one word of advice: “Never go full retard [again].”

  149. New York Times May 1, 2017:

    Three days ago, President Tex Taylor issued this statement to Pakistan: “If you so much as click a motor and we get wind of it, I’ll give Calcutta 100 Predator drones gift wrapped with hydrogen bombs to fly around your neighborhoods and your silos 24 hours a day. Doesn’t matter who gets hurt, we are going to see to it your entire existence, including your family, are turned to molten glass with a push of a button – uninhabitable for a hundred years. Do you understand me clearly shitheads? Because this will be your one and only warning.”

    This morning while taking his morning jog, President Taylor was fatally shot by a Pakistani immigrant. The Dead Rabbit is being sworn in at Noon today.

  150. “Obama: “So Newt tell me why you once supported the health care mandate?””

    Newt: Because I was wrong. Sort of like when you thought raising debt ceilings were a sign of failed leadership before you became the leader and raised the debt ceiling.

    “Obama: “So Newt, why did you support intervention in Libya until I did it and then you no longer supported it?””

    Newt: Because, unlike you, I started to question who it was we were helping. Since then, we have seen al Qaeda flags flying high in Libya. You spend money to bomb them in 1 country and spend money to help them in another!

    Got any more?

  151. “Obama: “So Newt, explain to me why being anti-colonialist is a bad thing considering the history of this country?””

    Newt: That’s a funny question coming from the guy who just opened a new military base in Australia.

  152. Interesting take on Pakistan. We’ve been killing civilians there with our drones for some time and they’ve told us to stop. The whole CIA instigated terror and destabilizing factions in that country was exposed to the people with the Raymond Davis event. It has made for strained relations at best. We are supposedly killing “militants” and striking Taliban “rebels”. Part of our bogus “war on terror”, coming to a neighborhood near you.

    This isn’t how you conduct foreign policy with allies or “enemies”. It is how you incite hatred and possibly war, guaranteeing a steady recruitment of “terrorists”, or as they are considered locally – freedom fighters. It neocon cowboy diplomacy and a suicidal strategy. We’re warmongers. We’re the illegal occupiers. We’re the oppressors. The world knows it. We’re the ones that don’t get it.

    Yeah, take on Pakistan and you likely take on China. Oh boy!

    http://rupeenews.com/2011/11/whats-behind-the-sino-pakistan-drill-against-unconventional-threats/

  153. Tigre, what about NOT occupying do you not understand? Much of the friction you are seeing is the result of their camping out. I am for the protest but against the occupation.

    The Tea Partyers did WHAT??? They protested.They DID nothing else. “talk about rather than do” my ass. I’m telling you when it comes to talking out of both sides of your face, you’re a master.

    As for Gingrich, it’s always fun to go back and forth on what will happen when the sun rises in the west. You see, that is the same chance that Gingrich will be the nominee. It’s almost a shame because I would so love to prove you wrong. To say that Gingrich is a flawed candidate is to put it mildly. I can’t testify to his “ideology” but if he has one, an ideology that is not backed up with integrity, is worthless.

    C’mon Newt ….. BRING IT!!!!

  154. Rutherford, what part of “NOT OCCUPY” do you not understand doesn’t address the so-called movement or anything I’ve said? Damn you can be thick.

    As for talking out of two sides of my face, point me to it. I haven;t mentioned Tea Party. But even if I had, I’d like to know of your comparisons. I recall the Tea Party had a political objective and agenda. Seems to me there was attendance at town halls and a movement to elect people that could replace turds like Kennedy in Massachusetts.

    Show me where I’ve talked out of “two sides of my face” Rutherford. Bring it!

  155. This morning while taking his morning jog, President Taylor was fatally shot by a Pakistani immigrant. The Dead Rabbit is being sworn in at Noon today.

    Stewardess Rutherford Lawson (three years hence): And if you’ll look out on right, you’ll see where once stood the ancient city formerly called Islamabad, the beautiful 10,000 ft. peak of rainbow crystalline formation called Taylor Mountain, now home to Oral Roberts University.

    Look, look – there’s Osama Bin Laden Jr. being burned at the stake.

  156. Let’s play devil’s advocate a minute. Perhaps I support Obama for his aggressive war on terror?

    My point is, to say supporting a leader is to support everything he stands for is preposterous. I didn’t support the surge in Afghanistan. I don’t think “Obamacare” was radical enough. And quite frankly supporting Obama is to some degree measuring him against the alternative. Not voting for John McCain was a no-brainer. The only folks who I might want to vote for on the GOP side this go-round are Huntsman and Paul. Otherwise, again, voting for Obama for me is a no-brainer.” – R

    OK, the Devil aside, my point towards you still stands.

    With this said, I’d like to hear what policies and why of Obama’s will have you vote for him.

  157. Tigre I think your comparison of OWS to TPM is implicit and confirmed by your reply to my comment.

    We’ve gone down this road before. The early days of the Tea Party were UNFOCUSED. They hated everything under the sun especially if it had Obama’s scent on it. Their message got refined over time. They didn’t camp out because, hell, where does a guy recharge his mobility scooter in the middle of a park? ( 🙂 )

    OWS has broader objections that boil down to a country based on lack of fairness. Now fine, you can say that is childish. Life ain’t fair. But these folks have gotten sick of certain aspects of it.

    And again, the thing that has attracted the most negative attention is the occupation aspect of the movement.

  158. Interesting thing to ponder that I was reminded of over the weekend. The Tea Party for all their gung ho founding fathers stuff, is BY ACTION the biggest f*cking socialist movement in this country. More than half of them collect social security and are on Medicare and they adamantly don’t want those programs touched. The two most socialist programs in this country are the most beloved of the average Tea Party member.

    Gotta love it!

  159. Well, this must be awkward for R…

    The Occupy Wall Street movement is not wearing well with voters across the country. Only 33% now say that they are supportive of its goals, compared to 45% who say they oppose them. That represents an 11 point shift in the wrong direction for the movement’s support compared to a month ago when 35% of voters said they supported it and 36% were opposed. Most notably independents have gone from supporting Occupy Wall Street’s goals 39/34, to opposing them 34/42.

    Voters don’t care for the Tea Party either, with 42% saying they support its goals to 45% opposed. But asked whether they have a higher opinion of the Tea Party or Occupy Wall Street movement the Tea Party wins out 43-37, representing a flip from last month when Occupy Wall Street won out 40-37 on that question. Again the movement with independents is notable- from preferring Occupy Wall Street 43-34, to siding with the Tea Party 44-40.

  160. G, my support of Obama is based more on broad principles than specific policies. Religious tolerance, protecting the weakest in our society, promoting basic standards of living (like universal health care).

    I’m quite curious what Obama will be capable of without the specter of reelection looming over him. If the Dem’s are fortunate enough to retake the House (I think they need 25 seats out of 100 that are up for grabs) and keep the Senate, we may see a much more successful second term than we saw in the first.

    The first thing that MUST be done is elimination of the 60 vote majority needed to stop a filibuster. When you win a majority, the majority rules. Period.

  161. Rutherford, you’re so deluded, it is comical. 😆

    You’re a nice, naive liberal writer caught up in the cult of Obama and always have been on his worse day, but if you think for one moment a poorly read charlatan that mangles the word CORPSE MAN can debate with Newt Gingrich on his best day, you’re even more of a tool than I thought. Remember, Gingrich has had to share a stage with eight other people and has to speak in quick soundbites. In a one on one with the Rambler where Gingrich doesn’t have to measure his words? Oh man. Porn politics. Ahhhhhh…..

    I would pay to watch Obama get absolutely eviscerated. Bongo is not worth a shit at debate, and your memory is fogged with We Are the Ones to Calm the Seas! Hell, the poorly read, congenital liar and schmuck drew even in three debates with the dumbest Republican to ever serve. Those debates were like listening to Jersey Shore.

    Gingrich would hit Obama with so many facts and numbers so fast, listing Obama’s massive failures one after another, Obama would look like a deer in headlights minutes into it. Obama’s only hope would be to repeat “Let be clear, I, I, I, I, I, I….” for 15 minutes and pray for a called in bomb threat.

    We understand there are 50MM children like you with no hope but granddaddy government, and that 95% of blacks will cast their vote for the black guy, first because he is black, second because he Dim. And 90% of them are like children still waiting for their free gas and rent, unless they are making babies, rappin’, robbing banks, shooting hoops, or selling drugs as New Orleans demonstrated.

    We know that some states deteriorating toward Liberia like Commie California, Iraq Illinois, and that shithole you drove out of are completely in the bag for Obama. Nobody will give a shit about them in 10 years because they’ll be done….cooked. The writing is on the wall.

    My biggest concern this next decade, is keeping guys like you from crossing the state line and squatting in Red states, fucking things up like they’ve done to Colorado and Nevada.

    Bring it on. Please, please give us that debate chance!!!! 😀 I will laugh at your claims for months, riding your ass the entire way. Currently, I’m running out of ammunition because you’ve been so beat down.

    You haven’t been this clueless since the Whig comment.

  162. I heard about the flip in public opinion on OWS this morning. Not terribly surprised. In fact I was more surprised it ever had any popularity among the average American. Most Americans don’t like what they perceive to be unwashed hippies.

  163. I just want to hear you tell us how transparent this Administration is…

    Watch this R:

    Stimulus Funds Distributed to Dem Campaign Donors

    Or

    President John F. Kennedy’s nephew, Robert Kennedy, Jr., netted a $1.4 billion bailout for his company, BrightSource, through a loan guarantee issued by a former employee-turned Department of Energy official.

    It’s just one more in a string of eye-opening revelations by investigative journalist and Breitbart editor Peter Schweizer in his explosive new book, Throw Them All Out.

    The details of how BrightSource managed to land its ten-figure taxpayer bailout have yet to emerge fully. However, one clue might be found in the person of Sanjay Wagle.

    Wagle was one of the principals in Kennedy’s firm who raised money for Barack Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign. When Obama won the White House, Wagle was installed at the Department of Energy (DOE), advising on energy grants.

    From an objective vantage point, investing taxpayer monies in BrightSource was a risky proposition at the time. In 2010, BrightSource, whose largest shareholder is Kennedy’s VantagePoint Partners, was up to its eyes in $1.8 billion of debt obligations and had lost $71.6 million on its paltry $13.5 million of revenue.

    Even before BrightSource rattled its tin cup in front of Obama’s DOE, the company made it known publicly that its survival hinged on successfully completing the Ivanpah Solar Electrical System, which would become the largest solar plant in the world, on federal lands in California.

    In its Securities and Exchange Commission filings, BrightSource further underscored the risky nature of the Ivanpah venture and, more broadly, the company’s viability:

    Our future success depends on our ability to construct Ivanpah, our first utility-scale solar thermal power project, in a cost-effective and timely manner… Our ability to complete Ivanpah and the planning, development and construction of all three phases are subject to significant risk and uncertainty.

    Ironically, in 2008, Kennedy wrote a CNN article praising Obama as reminiscent of his famous father and uncle. The article, titled “Obama’s Energy Plan Would Create a Green Gold Rush,” proved prophetic. However, the “green gold rush” came in the form of $1.4 billion of taxpayers’ money flowing into the pet projects of rich venture capital investors like Kennedy, not average citizens.

    What’s more, BrightSource touted the Ivanpah project as a green jobs creator. Yet as its own website reveals, the thermal solar plant will only create 1,400 jobs at its peak construction and 650 jobs annually thereafter. Even using the peak estimate of 1,400 jobs, that works out to a cost to taxpayers of $1 million per job created.

    As Schweizer writes in Throw Them All Out, “A billion dollars in taxpayer money being sent to wealthy investors to bail them out of risky investments—does this sound familiar to anyone?”

  164. Rutheford, I have to tell you a funny at your expense, exposing the back end screwing your getting. You’re always complaining now about money being tight.

    And though you are a math graduate, probably a whiz at multivariate analysis or some other useless tool, you don’t seem to have much practicality with numbers. Let me put in perspective for you and Poolman.

    Every day since our Dear President Obama has been in office, we have accumulated $4.2 billion dollars a day of debt. So that you can understand the self-actualization portion of that with your loving family of three, President O drives by your house every day, 365 days a year, and demands you owe $41.00 today for his good works and cliches of Hope & Change. Not Bush’s, not Clinton’s, not Reagan’s. Just your buddy President ‘O’.

    Now, Obama tells you that he’s going to give you a “massive” tax break. You don’t have a job but it sounds good when he says it, as he talks about pulling you out of the ditch. And Brotha Obama tells you with toothy smile, you don’t even have to pay the $41.00 today. He’ll just add it to your monthly VISA card and bump up the max when the balance exceed the limit. That sounds good too, because at this minute, you don’t have the $41.00 in your wallet to pay with anyway.

    But sooner or later, that VISA card comes due – think Sept. 2008. Now you may not think they can get blood out of a turnip. But you haven’t had your ass reamed this way quite yet. You can get blood out of about anything. Perhaps you’ll get to do “free work” for our government. Oh, don’t believe for a second you and yours are just going to walk away like some mortgage holder. Because this time, there won’t be anybody footing the bill for you and yours.

    Does that make any sense, as you brag about Brotha Obama and his outstanding accomplishments?

    Because during the debate, you can rest assured that Newt Gingrich is going to the story so that everybody understands that.

    And that is just for starters… 😀

  165. Sorry. typos – you’re and Gingrich is going to explain the story…

    I have a hard time typing, thinking and belly laughing at the same time.

  166. G, in some cases, policies implemented, policies advocated or just messages sent:

    Religious tolerance: supporting the poorly named Ground Zero Mosque (which by the way flourishes today without a hint of problems .. a tempest in a teapot if there ever was one).

    Protecting the weakest in our society: extension of unemployment benefits (opposed by many GOPhers), and the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act..

    Basic standards of living: The Affordable Care Act which while a mere shadow of what it should have been (and therefore a bit of a clusterf*ck), was at least a start.

    I’m not a policy wonk. My more capable liberal brethren could quote you chapter and verse. Days like today are when Curator or Graychin would come in handy. Perhaps Thor will weigh in later?

  167. G, you might be interested to know that the uber-liberal MSNBC mentioned Solyndra this morning and the timing of layoff announcements urged by Washington.

    Keep your fingers crossed … maybe ole Obie will get impeached yet. 😐

  168. Religious tolerance? Provided of course you are not a Christian…

    You really know nothing about Obamacare, do you? The standard of health care is going to go down- not up- because of Obamacare. So much for standards…

    Sure, as soon as you tell me what Lilly did…

    You’re clearly not a substance guy, which explains the liberal bent…

  169. Thriving hey? The Ground Zero Mosque?

    Well, I can see where a liberal would conclude that definition, since they concluded Obama and his economy is thriving too:

    😆 😆 😆

    Less than a month ago…

    Park51 Mosque May Be In Danger

    It seems the developer of the Mosque at Park51 has failed to pay rent on the unit and that the lease/own contract is now in danger.

    Good old ConEd has determined that the lessee, Mr. El-Gamal et. al., has failed to pay $1.7 million in rent. Mr. El-Gamal has countered by saying that he ONLY owes $882,000! What a saint! He ONLY owes around a million dollars.

    So, the project may be dead int he water as ConEd has the right, once the court finds that the tenant has failed to pay the rent, to cancel the lease/own contract and the whole controversy is over.

    http://www.athenstalks.com/park51-mosque-may-be-danger

    Maybe Newt can bring this up too? 🙂

  170. Sure, as soon as you tell me what Lilly did…

    It strengthened women’s ability to pursue wage discrimination claims.

    May I remind you that I started this blog some four years ago as a social commentary blog. That has always been my main interest. It morphed into politics, took on a life of its own and swept me along with it. If you were my “editor” and told me I would have to either write detailed policy analysis or shut down the blog, I’d probably shoot myself. If you choose to call that lack of substance, so be it.

  171. Social Commentary – and fairness in payment laws? Have you checked the statistics lately? It isn’t women getting the screwing…Perhaps Obama should have pursued the ‘Larry’ Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. That sells well in politics – but the reality of today’s market is complete bullshit sold by feminazis (like Fake 🙂 ).

    Occasionally, I like to provide a community service that may prove important to someone here. I know a few of you have experienced or related to someone that experienced cardiac arrest. It is important you and your family know this….easy and more efficient than standard CPR.

    http://ahsc.arizona.edu/node/730

  172. Here’s why President Obama won overwhelmingly in 2008.

    You can lead the stupid to knowledge. But you can’t make them think.

    —-

    In a Purdue University classroom, they were discussing the qualifications to be President of the United States. It was pretty simple.

    The candidate must be a natural born citizen of at least 35 years of age. However, one girl in the class immediately started in on how unfair was the requirement to be a natural born citizen.

    In short, her opinion was that this requirement prevented many capable individuals from becoming president. The class was taking it in and letting her rant, and not many jaws hit the floor when she wrapped up her argument by stating,

    “What makes a natural born citizen any more qualified to lead this country than one born by C-section?”

    Yep, these are the same kinds of 18-year-olds that are now voting in our elections!

    Obama won the 18-24 year old vote overwhelmingly for the record.

  173. “Tigre I think your comparison of OWS to TPM is implicit and confirmed by your reply to my comment.”

    Yeah. I was implicitly “talking out of two sides of my face.” 😆 😆 😆

    Keep cheering Rutherford. It is a noble cause. . . whatever that cause is. 🙄

  174. To think people would even consider Newt as potential POTUS reflects how low (bottom of the barrel) we have stooped as a nation. He may be smart, but he’s the sleaziest of the sleaze. I think he is spawn of Jabba the Hut.

  175. Tex, I’ve got news for ya … America is one dumbass country and if you really think that’s limited to liberal 18 to 24 year olds, you’re among the dumbasses. 😉

  176. Sleaziest of the sleeze? Wow. Harsh. It’s not like he got a bj in the oval office with a junior staffer then had his own advisers lie for him to cover it up before perjuring himself or something.

  177. Or handed out billions of dollars in tax payer dollars to political cronies with failing business ventures, or push illegal guns into drug cartel hands, resulting in the death of a US law enforcement officer, and then lied about who knew what when.

  178. “The Tea Partyers did WHAT??? They protested.They DID nothing else.”

    Gee, I thought they elected politicians that have so much power they have ruined democracy and brought this entire country to its knees in a racist attempt to dishonor Barack Hussein Obama.

  179. “Tigre, what about NOT occupying do you not understand? Much of the friction you are seeing is the result of their camping out. I am for the protest but against the occupation.”

    Camping out was their form of protest. Their repertoire of contention in geek-speak. They intentionally combined the 2.

    That is why not being able to camp out will likely be the death blow. They won’t be able to re-mobilize on a daily basis. Less and less will show up each day until they don’t show up at all.

    Unless the cops screw it up….

  180. “If so, is it hard to watch a game in attendance? Burn your eyes out.” – Tex

    I haven’t been to a game since they put it in last year, but since they won the national championship, I’m sure it won’t get torn up anytime soon. This year they are 5-5. It was probably easier to take last year. 😉 You probably saw it on Cowherd’s show. He’s a grad.

  181. “Religious tolerance: supporting the poorly named Ground Zero Mosque (which by the way flourishes today without a hint of problems

    Not so fast…

    “Con Ed has given the Ground Zero mosque an ultimatum: Pay the $1.7 million you owe in back rent, or we’ll terminate your lease and take back our property.”

  182. “It’s not like he got a bj in the oval office” -ET

    No, it sounds like he got his at Fannie Mae. BTW, ET, I heard there were tornado warnings in and around Atlanta. Are you typing from the basement?

  183. Thorazine, I am typing from a high-rise. I did see hail. No tornadoes. Gotta admit, it would cool to see from up here if there were one. The last one passed directly over my house at night. Wiped out two block not even 200 yards away. Trippy.

  184. It’s not like he got a bj in the oval office with a junior staffer then had his own advisers lie for him to cover it up before perjuring himself or something.

    Nope he just went after the dude who did … all the while cheating on his own wife …. F*CKING HYPOCRITE!!!!!

  185. I’m not much of a fan of South Park, but I have to admit their rendition of OccupyFail is about what I picture in the theater of my mind. They are the 1% – of America’s biggest losers. There ought to be a reality show.

    And you guys are forgetting some of Clinton the Sex Angel’s finest acts (and you know old Poolman was casting the Willie ballot while holding the winkie in the booth).

    Excepting million dollar bribes to let America’s biggest tax cheat walk, in conjunction with our fine current Attorney General, selling satellite technology to Commie China (Loral) in exchange for Presidential Library on Stilts donations, bombing milk factories to hide the lying to a national TV audience, Kathleen Willey groping while she campaigned for him, lip biting and finger f…ing Juanita Broderick against her will, marrying Hillary Rotten.

    Yeah, Newt’s the sleaziest of them all. 🙄

  186. “Nope he just went after the dude who did … all the while cheating on his own wife …. F*CKING HYPOCRITE!!!!!”

    Was it with a consenting adult? Then it’s none of your business, right?

    Let me know when he purgers himself so we can ignore that one too.

  187. Tex, I’ve got news for ya … America is one dumbass country and if you really think that’s limited to liberal 18 to 24 year olds, you’re among the dumbasses.

    Now, I didn’t say idiocy was limited to 18-24 year olds Rutherford. Most lefties are well past 24. Some of them are still camping out at OccupyFail – first shelter since Woodstock. 🙂

    I was just demonstrating the typical Obama voter mentality and how such a sham could get elected President in this fine country. Now, here in Honolulu, Asia, for instance….

  188. ET, when I was driving home last night, Sekulow was on Hannity talking about Kagan, and he said that despite the law, the decision on recusal ultimately rested with Kagan.

    Now I’ve read that entire chapter of the United States Code, and I didn’t see that stated anywhere. On the contrary, the subsection on point uses the word “shall”, not “may” or “should”.

    I figured he was:
    A) Hedging, be cause he does argue before the court; or
    B) Recognizing that there is no mechanism for appeal; or
    C) Both.

    What’s your take?

  189. Yeah, I watched some of that shit this morning on MSNBC. It’s a group of children around the table with Bubbles Brzezinski setting the tone. How R considers that intelligent dialogue is beyond me. Well it was until I saw his defense of Obama — then it all made sense.

  190. BiW, I suspect that it was never contemplated and therefore Sekulow is right. Perhaps the others can recommend, but they lack the power to override Kagan’s self-determined role in the case. Since it’s not reviewable (that I know of) how could you reach a different conclusion? Anything extrajudicial would be violation of the separation of powers.

    But I posed the question to you because I really don’t know. You have better feel for this in your left pinkie than I have in my entire universe of US Supreme Court procedure.

    I am going to ask around though. A couple of guys here are pretty well-versed in these types of things.

  191. To all who come here, please be witness to why the following clowns curry favor in the national polls:

    Newt Gingrich
    Herman Cain
    Rick Perry (well, he used to)
    Michele Bachmann (ditto)

    The reason is evident in this and many other RL blog threads. Conservatives (except honest ones like Steve Schmidt and Ed Rollins and David Frum) cannot simply say “yeah you’re right … he’s an ass-clown who has NO business running for President.” Instead they distract with “ooooo YOU did it first …. oooooooo what about YOUR man …. ooooooooo bla bla bla”.

    The Republican Party has the best chance of gaining the White House that they’ve had in years. It is truly theirs to lose. But there is no introspection. Just pure defensiveness.

    Fortunately, the cons on this blog don’t represent the GOP primary and caucus voters who will toss all these clowns to the side when it counts, and vote for the one who at least appears Presidential — Mitt Romney. If they don’t they will give up the White House in 2012.

    Again … the most QUALIFIED candidate, Jon Huntsman, doesn’t even get a second look from you nutjobs who only want one of your far right nutjobs in the Oval Office. The fact that most of you would take Herman Cain over Jon Huntsman shows how messed up in the head you are.

    HEAR YE HEAR YE — be witness to the insanity that is the far right of the GOP — right here in the RL Blog Comments forum!!!

  192. I hope Kagan doesn’t recuse herself so she can reveal what a disgrace she and Barack Hussein Obama are – a fat, legal hack and a fraud – not that a majority of the world didn’t already know that Obama is a disgrace.

    I want it to end a 5-4 vote to set lib ass on fire like after the thieving Dims tried to steal the 2000 Presidential election.

    Nothing is more fun that trying to piss on libs while they are on fire.

    And that will happen right in the middle of the Presidential election cycle, so we can remind the forgetful types of what President Corpse Man and his groupie sycophants like the incomparably crooked Princess Nanzi Pelosi rammed down our throats 😈

    I’m just warming up for next year.

  193. Oh Rutherford.

    David Frum has been disgraced as President O’Bola – a Washington dinner invite out of the mold of Kathleen Parker; a CNN drone. Ed Rollins was Michelle Bachmann’s campaign manager. Enough said.

    Would you knock that shit about ‘Conservative’ David Frum off? That’s like saying Eliot Spitzer is a Conservative.

    Frum was pegged as an asshole three years ago. Screw him – he’s an Obama lackey, and you keep bringing up Huntsman, because that is who you are praying will be the nominee. Huntsman is as popular with Republicans, even country club ones, as the plague.

    Best chance to win the White House in years?

    What? Three? 😆

  194. Did Solyndra come up for discussion with Matthews and the group? Er, no.

    There’s a reason Ed Morrissey writes for Hot Air … he’s full of it. The answer is YES, it did come up for discussion. I watched it on my TiVo at lunch today. Matthews and Mika agreed that the pressure to delay the layoff announcement was clearly political and highly suspect.

    Ed Morrissey is an ass.

  195. Fortunately, the cons on this blog don’t represent the GOP primary and caucus voters who will toss all these clowns to the side when it counts, and vote for the one who at least appears Presidential — Mitt Romney. If they don’t they will give up the White House in 2012.

    It’s so cute when lefties tell me how I should vote.

    You know, for my own good and all.

    *rhetches*

  196. Wiped out two block not even 200 yards away. Trippy. – ET

    Holly sh*t Dorothy. 😉

    Does it really sound like a freight train like they say? What’s your take on this insider trading and congress? Seems to me they don’t need a new law. They just need to inforce the one on the books. I mean, if these guys are using secret information that they are privy to because of their duties, and it is indeed unpublished information, that’s still insider trading, even if they don’t get the information directly from the company being traded. Right?

  197. Oh I neglected to add … everything in the Hot Air video was right on the money. The current GOP slate is a f*cking embarrassment and insult to the intelligence of the American people.

  198. Since it’s not reviewable (that I know of) how could you reach a different conclusion? Anything extrajudicial would be violation of the separation of powers.

    I could understand an appeal to the Court En Banc. There is no precedent for it that I am aware of, but having her continue would taint the decision for all. That said, even if the Court went out on that limb, I’m not sure that all of them would care more for their reputation than ensuring the “correct” outcome.

    Its one of those things that I look at and say “I know that I couldn’t ever get away with something similar to that.”

  199. Dims tried to steal the 2000 Presidential election.

    Oh you’re not gonna beat that old drum are you? A President “elected” by the Supreme Court? Don’t even go there. Don’t you think we should let SOME sleeping dogs lie?

  200. Best chance to win the White House in years?

    You argue with that? Unemployment way too high, no light at the end of the tunnel. What are you trying to do, diminish expectations?

    I had just started blogging when Bush was on his way out of town. But I’m almost looking forward to a GOP Pres … especially a Newt or Rick or Herman so I can spend the next four years riding your asses. Hell, I may even become a policy wonk just for the pleasure of rubbing your dumbass leaders in your face. 🙂

    P.S. Rollins left Bachmann as soon as he figured out what a nutjob loser she was. You guys would have stayed the course, HIV and retardation be damned.

  201. “There’s a reason Ed Morrissey writes for Hot Air … he’s full of it. The answer is YES, it did come up for discussion. I watched it on my TiVo at lunch today. ”

    “Huck … start choosing your sources more carefully before you start to resemble Elric.”

    At least I gave a source. Where’s yours that refutes it?

  202. R, is that your defense of Obama?

    Yeah, I thought so. Right here on the RL blog!!!

    As I said, these “ass-clowns” are in it because of the turd you plan to vote for again. They are the “anti-Obama.” I L-O-V-E that you don;t get that as you pound your chest.

    So here comes our best shot in three years. The House and majority of state legislatures required two!

    R, for the love of God, “Don’t Go Full Retard!”

  203. Here Rutherford,

    In all seriousness this time, this is why I loathe Obama specifically, and the current Dimocrat party in general. Why you are part and parcel to a party of abject failure, gutless and cowardly; political hacks and rank propagandists – and little else.

    Setting aside a contentious political issue until after the 2012 election, the Obama Administration is postponing a decision on whether to allow an oil pipeline to run from Canada to the Gulf Coast. The Keystone XL pipeline would carry oil from the tar sands of Alberta, and it’s become a hot button issue on both the left and right.

    Hot button issue, my ass.

    Obama knows this very minute this is a no brainer and has every intention of signing it. Even he is not that stupid. This weak, pathetic man doesn’t want to offend his little environmental whackos who have wrought destruction on the nation until after the election. And the idiot Republicans have once again let this sham get away with it.

    So this sorry bastard will literally postpone a process leading to greater national security, lower energy costs, not to mention job creation of high paying wages for more than a year – not some McDonald’s flipper, all to enhance his chances. And you want to talk about disingenuous Newt?

    And here is another thorn in my shoe about feckless libs. How much more disingenuous can your party get? You drag energy CEOs up to Washington every time oil prices surge for the dog and pony, but not once has your sorry majority Senate called the mortgage CEOs up to genuflect. Where’s the Fannie and Freddie boys?

    You know why? Because your party of thieves is tied at the hip and is far more responsible for the real estate bubble than George Bush could have ever dreamed of, you lying bastards.

    Do you have any understanding now why I think you’re a party of nothing but sell outs?

  204. “Obama knows this very minute this is a no brainer and has every intention of signing it.”

    If the option is still there.

    Obama doesn’t want to do anything that will not end up in our energy costs “necessarily” rising. He has made that absolutely clear for years, now. And has taken literally EVERY step within his power to bring it about.

  205. BiW, I had to shut the box off when those morons that constitute R’s window on the world started mocking Cain’s hat! And some primping and preening vain douche bag with a $500 haircut named Donnie Deutsch that inherited his father’s company lectures everyone on the virtues of OWS. Deep thought there boys.

  206. “BiW, I had to shut the box off when those morons that constitute R’s window on the world started mocking Cain’s hat!”

    That’s OK.

    You can watch the rest of it after Cville Yellowford gets us a link.

  207. Thoaziner, I didn’t even know it was a tornado. I was with my boy in the front room working on the computer. I remember it was Friday night maybe 8-9 and I got pissed when the rain went sideways, I heard small hail and the power went out. It was kind of loud, but I was sure it was just a storm front kickin it up in the trees. When the power returned, I turned the tv on and it had the reports of the tornado going through downtown. I walked out on porch to see how close it was. My buddy came by with a chain saw and we got busy with everyone else until we were too tired to keep going the next morning.

    As for Congressional insider trading, I haven’t read up on it. But I say fry the bastards starting with Pelosi and Bwaney Fwank who can probably be found in the showers with Sandusky pleading for help suddsing his back.

  208. “ET, the question is “Why did you have it on in the first place?”

    It was the pretty colors and soothing sounds. . . then Whamo! Reality hit. Some people actually watch this and think it’s intelligent discourse. Well maybe only one. And that would be Rutherford. I hear they delay broadcasting if R wants to sleep in.

  209. Donnie Deutsch that inherited his father’s company lectures everyone on the virtues of OWS.

    Don’t talk about shows you don’t watch (or don’t pay attention to). Deutsch has actually been quite critical of OWS.

    Now, Katrina VanDenHuevel, that’s a different story.

  210. Cville Yellowford

    Cute. I think Yellow Dog hangs at Alfie’s now. Mmmm that was the last place Elric was seen. I wonder if Alfie’s is the blog extremists go to die. Kinda like a roach hotel for extremists. 🙂

    P.S. I take that back, BiW’s place may be the last place Elric was spotted.

  211. Hey Huck, to show you what a liar and fraud Obama is, have you noticed that Obama has started to open up offshore drilling just in time for the elections after he has sat on it for two years?

    If the Republican candidates don’t put to this man’s absolute phoniness and duplicity in this election cycle message on stage and in the debates, I swear I am going to blow a gasket.

    And I would make damn sure everybody in the United States of America knows about the pipeline fiasco.

    We can fry this bastard with his own deeds this coming year if we are the least bit wise. And this bastard and his horse’s ass bitch for a wife deserves to fry. 😡

  212. Nah Bwawney is open sausage smoker of younger peeps – why do you think he lisps and prostitutes right there in Washington?

    Another proud and upstanding Progressive. 😈

  213. Oh for as much as Sandusky was brought up, can you believe his attorney got an under-18 year old client knocked up years ago when the attorney was 49 years of age? Yup, that’s the ticket … when you’re accused of being a perv, hire a perv to defend you. 😕

  214. “C’mon, that’s beneath you Tigre.”

    A man that makes jokes about rape telling me that an admitted homosexual that had a male prostitution ring running out of his apartment might enjoy the company of other gay men? 🙄

  215. R, there ain’t much that’s beneath me.

    And Donnie Deutsch is a total douche bag.

    What do you think Cain’s hat? 🙄

  216. The John Birch Society, staunch conservative republicans (yeah they’re in you GOPer’s camp along with the David Dukes of the world :smile:), did a thorough exposé of the Newt several years ago and have now included updates. They pretty much line his voting record and policies he’s supported with some Marxist ideals, even pointing out how he voted for the Department of Education. They clearly show he votes against the constitution most of the time, even in favor of globalist interests.

  217. R, there ain’t much that’s beneath me.

    I have a feeling we’ll be coming back to this comment often in the future. Just try to remember which side of his mouth this came from.

  218. Poolman, your stupid troofer shit is beneath me. So is your fake persona, two-faced commentary seen at Fat Grannies, and anti-Semitic bullshit. You can hold on to that too.

  219. Poolman, your stupid troofer shit is beneath me. So is your fake persona, two-faced commentary seen at Fat Grannies, and anti-Semitic bullshit. You can hold on to that too.

    LOL!!! Touche’, dumbass.

    Poolman, not to dogpile, but your garden variety idiocy, never a good word about anyone but haughty Helen and her hags, hatred for America, and bad mathematics skills are beneath me. 😉

  220. “It’s not a long segment and it took a long time for me to find it but here it is:”

    I appreciate the effort, Rutherford.

    I expected more than a 30 second comment. Hell, Morrisey could have yawned and missed it.

    But 30 seconds is more than none.

  221. Why hasn’t a man figured by 49 years old how not to impregnate a woman? Damn, at 49, both my daughters were older than that. What a scumbag. Must have really got caught up in the moment.

    You’ve got an assorted list of choices, the most full proof keeping your pants on and zipped. Then there is the vasectomy, the asking, “hey, you wouldn’t happen to be on the pill, would you?”, the latex, and as last resort and never bullet proof, timing or the infamous “Hey, when was your last period?” adding about 12-14 days and the rhythm method standard deviation factor of paternity suit.

  222. Poolman, your stupid troofer shit is beneath me.

    Everybody needs a foundation. According to recent polls, that’s a mighty big one you’re treading on.

  223. Seriously, if you really think that the government was behind 9/11, why aren’t you doing something about it?

    He hasn’t recovered enough from the head shots at the OWS Scottsdale yet – still suffering from blackjack fatigue and rectum boot bruising. Poolman is working on it. Probably something serious in action coming soon.

    Blogging at Chatty Kitchen or Stonewall Jim’s.

  224. “I can spend the next four years riding your asses. Hell, I may even become a policy wonk just for the pleasure of rubbing your dumbass leaders in your face.” -R

    Sadly, you’ve lost all street cred to rub our faces in anything.

    You slinked away, maybe even slithered, when it came to even defending Obama, not alone critiquing him.

    Add in every time you’ve been duped by MSNBC or have totally misread the American street and your blog holds as much weight as a late night Charlie Sheen tweet.

    Winning.

  225. Poolman, not to dogpile, but your garden variety idiocy, never a good word about anyone but haughty Helen and her hags, hatred for America, and bad mathematics skills are beneath me.

    Your dog piles aside – spotty comprehension, tunnel vision, and concepts over your head cannot be equated with “beneath” you. Beneath you are the sloughed skin cells, kernels of popcorn, small bits of corn chips and drool.

  226. Rutherford, you conveniently looked over my example for you and your personal debt to President Mugabe Obama.

    So you like paying Obama $41 bucks a day? You’re getting a steal – it is costing me $54 day. So the way I look at it, you owe President Obama $1,230.00 for the month of December. You know that 55″ HDTV you wanted? It’s Obama’s now. 🙂 And that is one month.

    Next year, Obama is going to hit you up for nice, used car with interest.

    Let Obama hang around another four years, and he’ll be making a hell of a down payment for Shelly’s new digs, all on your dime. $50,000.

    So why don’t you win me over? You give me half of that and I’ll vote for Obama.

  227. “I can spend the next four years riding your asses. Hell, I may even become a policy wonk just for the pleasure of rubbing your dumbass leaders in your face.”

    Of course…if a Republican president’s policies were successful, there would be nothing to rub.

    Which means you are already hoping a GOP president fails.

    How unpatriotic of you….

  228. Your dog piles aside – spotty comprehension, tunnel vision, and concepts over your head cannot be equated with “beneath” you.

    Uh huh. Some of your concepts are definitely over my head. Somewhere out near the Motari Nebula – like subliminal messages in Simpson. If you weren’t such a bohunk, I would think you a peyote addict or suffering from meth psychosis – part of that metaphysical Margaret and Helen crowd you’re so steeped in.

    But your math skills are not just beneath mine. They are beneath my dog’s.

    You remember the first time you tried to defend Fat Grannies and insult me? Probably not. You remember how many hits you told me Fat Granny got? 😆 Probably not.

  229. “So you like paying Obama $41 bucks a day? You’re getting a steal – it is costing me $54 day.”

    Damn. Is it hurting that much?

    Fortunately MSM spends its time educating people about the state of our debt.

    Oh, and Cain’s hat. 🙄

    DR, at 324. 😆 😆

  230. Charlie Lawson…:lol: Or is Rutherford Sheen? 😆

    I actually like the latter.

    Somehow I missed Rabbit’s humor. Wish you were around more.

  231. You remember how many hits you told me Fat Granny got?

    Yeah, I claimed they were unique and then corrected myself the very next post, and you jumped all over it, ignoring my retraction. Like I said, spotty comprehension. 🙄

    But you have been entertaining, I must admit. Of course some of the things that pass for entertainment today does leave much to be desired.

  232. you jumped all over it, ignoring my retraction.

    Your memory is fogged. You jumped all over a retraction after I laughed at you. But I admit, you too are entertaining. A human bowling pin that leans left.

  233. Why hasn’t a man figured by 49 years old how not to impregnate a woman?

    Tex, it’s worse than that. If I’m not mistaken she was his CLIENT at the time. How the guy didn’t get disbarred is beyond me.

  234. Which means you are already hoping a GOP president fails.

    Au contraire mon frère. I’m not hoping for it. I’m simply anticipating it.

    Actually I get a win/win out of this deal. If President Romney actually makes progress in pulling our country out of the ditch, I get to be the magnanimous liberal singing his praises. If he screws up, I get to post vids of him mispronouncing words. 🙂

  235. “If he screws up, I get to post vids of him mispronouncing words.”

    I am confident President Romney would have many faults, but he strikes me as the type of guy who has his positions down so well that he doesn’t get tongue-tied often.

    I am looking forward to seeing him spar with Obama. Should be some fun debates.

  236. Fortunately, the cons on this blog don’t represent the GOP primary and caucus voters who will toss all these clowns to the side when it counts, and vote for the one who at least appears Presidential — Mitt Romney. If they don’t they will give up the White House in 2012.” – R

    Hmmmmmmmmmm…..

    (The Hill) — Newt Gingrich is tied with President Obama among registered voters, according to a new national poll.

    The McClatchy-Marist poll found that Obama is virtually even in a hypothetical match-up with the former House Speaker among registered voters. Obama polled at 47 percent and Gingrich at 45 percent.

    Broken down by party affiliation, Gingrich is ahead among independents 47 percent to 41 percent. The poll also found that Democrats, unsurprisingly, back Obama by a wide margin (88 percent support the president) while Republicans support Gingrich by nearly the same amount (84 percent).

    By comparison, in a head-to-head matchup with Mitt Romney, Obama leads the former Massachusetts governor 48 percent to 44 percent, a slim but slightly better advantage for Obama.

  237. The loons and lackey media were saying that OccupyFail is the mirror image of the Tea Party, hey?

    Ahem. (clears throat) How about a list Occupy Mayhem in two months to make comparison:

    Arson, assault, drug dealing, fraud, illness leading to death, murder, public disturbance to numerous to mention, rape and sexual assault, sedition, suicide and overdose, theft, and vandalism.

    I didn’t see where tuberculosis, the plague, and now an outbreak of ringworm were mentioned, but you can add those to the list.

    Matter of fact, I think I agree with the mirror image part. If there has ever been a better example of comparing effectiveness vs. mayhem, comparing the Tea Party to OccuCrime would be it. This is the perfect comparison of conservative vs. liberal routine, I might add.

    Congratulations liberals for pointing out the “mirror image” of good vs. evil. You got one right for once, without intending to.

    http://www.verumserum.com/?p=33490

  238. A healthy dose of VDH…

    The presidency of Barack Obama is full of funny things that need not follow any sort of logic. Images and ideas just pop in and out, without worry of inconsistency, contradiction, or hypocrisy. It’s a fascinating mish-mash of strange heroes and bogeymen, this imaginarium of our president.

    In the imaginarium there are no revolving doors, earmarks, or lobbyists. So Peter Orszag did not go from being OMB director to a Citigroup fat-cat. Once chief-of-staff Rahm Emanuel did not make $16 million for his well-known banking expertise. The more you damn the pernicious role of lobbyists and the polluting role of big money, the more you must hire and seek out both. Public financing of campaigns is wonderful for everyone else who lacks the integrity of Barack Obama who understandably must renounce such unfair impositions.

    Those who now vote against raising the large Obama debt ceiling are political hucksters and opportunists; those who not long ago voted against raising the smaller Bush debt ceiling were principled statesmen. “Unpatriotic” presidents borrow $4 trillion in eight years; patriotic ones we’ve been waiting for can trump that in three.

    Catching known terrorists and putting them in Guantanamo is very bad; killing suspected ones by drone assassinations — and anyone unlucky enough to be in their general vicinity — is exceptionally good. Tribunals, renditions, preventative detention, and all that were bad ideas under Bush-Cheney, but could become good ideas under Barack Obama, the law professor who often sees no need to follow the law when an immigration or marriage statute is deemed regressive.

    A million Iranians protesting a soon-to-be-nuclear theocracy is false revolutionary consciousness and to be left alone; a few thousand Israelis wanting to buy apartments in the Jerusalem suburbs is subversive and worthy of presidential condemnation. And when atoning for supposed American lapses, what better place to begin apologizing than in Turkey, the incubator of the Armenian, Greek, and Kurdish mass killings? We need to deny history to make the case that America is not exceptional, and to invent it to persuade us that the Muslim world is extraordinary…

  239. More good news. And don’t think that Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich aren’t taking notes, while you throw out the Lilly Ledbetter fair wage act as balance, Mr. Ruthersheen.

    Word came late yesterday that the Barack Obama Administration had dramatically upped the estimated loss on the automobile industry bailout – from $14.3 billion to $23.6 billion.

    “The big increase is a reflection of the sharp decline in the value of (General Motors’) share price.”

    We the Taxpayers own 500+ million shares of General Motors (GM) stock. For us to break even, we must sell at $53 per. It is currently trading at around $23.

  240. Gorilla,

    Does it do your heart good to start Mr. Rutherford’s day with snippets of Obama’s greatness like it does me? My heart has never been healthier.

    I’ve noticed that when we stroll through with these snippets of liberal excellence, Mr. Rutherford arrives later and later through the week. 🙂

  241. Damn, that VDH article is a thing of beauty. If there was justice this side of heaven, Lawrence O’Donnell, Chris Matthews, and Chaz Maddow would be forced to read that aloud at the start of each of their feckless programs.

    One thing I love about PJM – the comments are the best on the net.

    For instance…

    “I wonder if it ever bothers Obama to realize that in his quest to punish WASP America, he is also plunging millions of blacks ever deeper into poverty, despair and premature death?”

    An incredibly worthy question and one that I have problems generating little sympathy anymore for the impoverished. You wanted him, you voted for him, you got him, and you will vote for him again.

    Cry me a river when the basket goes empty, because you will no longer be sharing from mine.

  242. “Word came late yesterday that the Barack Obama Administration had dramatically upped the estimated loss on the automobile industry bailout – from $14.3 billion to $23.6 billion.”

    What? The facts must be wrong. Thorazine and Rutherford (I think) were crowing about the big success.

  243. ““Word came late yesterday that the Barack Obama Administration had dramatically upped the estimated loss on the automobile industry bailout – from $14.3 billion to $23.6 billion.””

    That’s the thing about “new” math.

    Eventually the old math comes into play, and then you’re screwed.

    See ObamaCare and Porkulus for another examples.

  244. Gorilla, regarding your polls … Newt is flavor of the week, just like Trump, Bachmann, Perry and Cain before him. The only real question is how far in advance of Iowa does Newt self immolate? And then who’s next as the anti-Romney?

  245. Its OK R, I understand. It must be frustrating to see so many of these “flame outs” still beat Obama in head-to-head polls. I get it. Who wants to know that their guy loses to losers? Whatever makes you feel better, I say go with it…

    All I’ll say is, we’ll see. I’m not the biggest fan of Newt, but I like how he presents solutions and understands policy- something the Administration has never done. I’d love to hear you rebut the VDH article, especially since you regailed us with your “principle” approach to the Administration. What exactly were those “principles”?

  246. Baloney. Gingrich is a major player and a polished politician. He may not beat Romney, because Newt’s got a lot of history, but either of them capable of beating Obama and should. I personally think either would probably make a good President, but not a great one or great leaders like we need now.

    Michelle Bachmann or Ron Paul would be better then the Sham for President we have at present.

    Unless things change, I think you’re going to find out Mr. Ruthersheen, that Mr. Obama isn’t nearly as popular or well thought of as you want to believe.

    You run in a sheltered circle of misfits…Sandi may sound swell at an OWS meetings of depravity or a women’s studies class, but she’s comedy gold in a corporate room, at a party, or water fountain conversation. Those tweeters you sound off with are MSNBC parrots of irrelevancy, and the Fat Grannies crowd of abortionists and bleating sheep? 😈 Marginally enough alpha brain waves to type or chew gum.

  247. What exactly were those “principles”?

    The profundity of ‘Yes We Can!!!! :mrgreen: ‘, free rent and gas, swoon and faint in front of Styrofoam columns, piss in pants.

  248. R, you are a sucker for MSM’s following around whomever will keep the spotlight off Obama and perpetuate the Republican battles amongst themselves. Any interest in the candidates claim to detest is because that is who the media is pushing — with the exception of Huntsman because he got your and MSNBC’s endorsement for reasons that only a liberal would love.

    Focus on Romney and what your going to say about Obama. So far what you’ve claimed are reasons to vote for the guy are proof of the opposite.

  249. The principle of “unpatriotic” presidents borrow $4 trillion in eight years, but patriotic ones that can trump that in three.

    The principle of catching known terrorists and putting them in Guantanamo is bad; killing suspected ones by drone assassinations — and anyone unlucky enough to be in their general vicinity — is exceptionally good.

    The principle of tribunals, renditions, preventative detention, and all that were bad ideas under Bush-Cheney, but could become good ideas under Barack Obama, the law professor who often sees no need to follow the law when an immigration or marriage statute is deemed regressive.

    Liberal principles of duplicity and deceit = excellence.

  250. Who wants to know that their guy loses to losers?

    Sorry dude, I’ve been following the polls. Obama has been for the most part beating the “losers” or in a statistical tie with them.

    Nice try.

  251. Newt’s got a lot of history baggage.

    I fixed it for you. Now of course, Newt likes to use the word “history” … like how he got paid millions by Freddie as an “historian”. He’s a pathological liar with ethics problems that run so deep you might as well replace his name on the ballot with “Newt McWatergate”. You will basically be asking for a scandal when you pull down the lever.

    Mr. Obama isn’t nearly as popular or well thought of as you want to believe.

    I know it’s real hard to accept that the person you’re battling with ain’t battling with you but pull the earplugs out of your ears and listen up. I’ve said repeatedly Obama is not a slam dunk for reelection. If I thought him overwhelmingly popular I would not say that. A popular President would not be a statistical tie with some of these current GOP players. In fact, I would go so far as to say that Ann Coulter may have been right … if the GOP ran Christie, Obama would be dead meat. (It’s funny now that Romney seems inevitable, Coulter is slightly changing her tune.)

  252. Goldman Sachs and the other banksters have put their money behind Romney. Newt is just the special of the day, like Rutherford said. He has way too much baggage to be touted as a real nominee.

    I see this whole debate and nominee process as just hype. Mainstream media fodder for the sheeple to eat up. A real dog and pony show for the masses and a primarily a rally against Obama. It takes the focus off real world issues. It will wind down with Romney as the nominee, no matter how many loops the ride goes through before then. Follow the money. It never lies.

    You folks never seem to get that. This is not a left or right battle. It isn’t a liberal versus conservative fight. It’s a battle for people over corporations. Moral v immoral. That is why the occupy movement came about. How many of you are aware of the 500,000 protesters in Israel this past summer demanding economic change? And their government is working to comply. So far that has appeased them.

    This is a global movement. You think running off some hippies in a park will slow this down? You have another thing coming.

    So all you 1 percent wannabes can rant and rave and cheer all you want to. It won’t change what is going on. It won’t stop the inevitable.

    If the election is between Romney and Obama, it will be very close. I think there is a good chance Obama will take it. Now if Ron Paul was the one that was chosen as the GOP nominee, he would take it. Independents would vote for him and I think some Dems would cross over. We already now most registered republicans vote straight party tickets.

    Unfortunately RP threatens the CINOs who love their colonial ways.

  253. You listen up. Braying jackasses like you have been carrying Obama’s water for three years during his miserable failure, distorting facts, making false accusations, covering up, looking the other way.

    Newt’s “baggage” pales in comparison to one Slick Willie Clinton, and you Dims swoon as the Greatest of the Greatest concerning the serial rapist. Find another excuse – one with substance. We are now playing by your rules you made. That one won’t fly anymore, because Liberalism is the plague, and everything you assholes touch turns to shit.

    You lied. You were wrong – Obama is an unmitigated disaster and a disgrace of historical proportions. Just like OWS. OWS is the end result of liberalism – disease, disaster, stench, destruction, rot. In that order.

    The VDH article displays the Left’s hypocrisy like no other. You should read it, then read it again. Then put your name at the top, substituting the words Dear Rutherford in place of Obama – both are equally fitting.

  254. “Mr. Obama isn’t nearly as popular or well thought of as you want to believe.”

    R,it ain’t a matter of slam dunk. He’s disliked to degree you don’t recognize as you run around critiquing Republicans and fantasizing about Obama’s oratory skills winning over the electorate in a Lincoln-Douglas style debate when pitted against anyone worth a shit.

    And your response remains summarized as follows: ” In theory he’s better than anyone else because he’s for the people and against badness and that’s why I’ll vote for him again.”

    Of course you also think OWS has a purpose.

  255. “Goldman Sachs and the other banksters have put their money behind Romney.”

    They put their money on Obama last time. Did you care then?

    “LOL that’s assuming he can remember his position du jour. ”

    Do you have a specific example that suggests he can’t?

    And do you really want to harp on flip-flopping?

    List of Obama flip-flops and lies I can think of:

    — Public or private campaign funds in 2008 election
    — Patriot Act
    — Executive signing statements
    — Earmarks
    — Debt limit increase
    — Canada oil sands pipeline
    — Offshore domestic oil drilling
    — PAYGO
    — Transparency
    — Shovel-ready projects
    — Unemployment projections
    — The Surge
    — Military tribunals
    — Rendition
    — War Powers Act
    — E. Europe missile defense
    — Grandpa liberated death camp
    — Parents met in Selma march
    — Mother denied insurance

    …and on and on they go….

    So by all means keep pounding away at Mitt’s flip flopping and the GOP attack ads against Obama will write themselves.

  256. Newt’s “baggage” pales in comparison to one Slick Willie Clinton

    I know this might shock you but Slick Willie ain’t running for anything so your comment is TOTALLY irrelevant. Every time you bring up Clinton you only cast a spotlight on your scumbag Newt. Willie was the kettle and Newt was the pot.

    Don’t forget it.

  257. Do you have a specific example that suggests he can’t?

    Just in one week Huck it wasn’t crystal clear whether or not Romney supported collective bargaining … f*ck that … just within two days!!!!

    As for Obama, I think his more disturbing flip flops are way more subtle than the ones you and Pajamas Media want to harp about. I’ve noticed in most of his policy speeches he uses the pattern of “bla bla bla but then again [or] on the other hand blee blee blee”. He cannot help but weigh each side instead of stating a flat out opinion.

    I am not the only liberal who has no idea what exactly Obama would fight for. This was evident in the way he threw the Affordable Care Act into Nancy Pelosi’s lap instead of fighting for single payer.

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  259. “Just in one week Huck it wasn’t crystal clear whether or not Romney supported collective bargaining … f*ck that … just within two days!!!! ”

    That wasn’t really what I was asking about.

    You alleged he flip flops enough that he can’t remember his positions and gets tongue-tied. I am not saying he hasn’t…I don’t know.

    I am asking if you have an example of such.

    “As for Obama, I think his more disturbing flip flops are way more subtle than the ones you and Pajamas Media want to harp about. ”

    So you don’t think it is disturbing that he sends prisoners to countries who torture beyond waterboarding?

    It doesn’t disturb you that he said he would be transparent and then hides pretty much everything?

    Those signing statements don’t bother you?

    All the money we have wasted on shit he said would work?

    You’re cool with that but his speech nuances get on your nerves?

    Amazing…..

  260. Lots of crazy Occupy shit going on today in multiple places.

    As usual, the most exciting tends to be shown here.

    The last few minutes have grown increasingly tense in NYC.

    I think it’s gonna be a long day. If any other interesting feeds come up I will post them here.

  261. Ahhh Huck you’re on quite the roll today.

    Let’s review your comment one more time:

    but he strikes me as the type of guy who has his positions down so well

    I was not addressing whether he has had or would have a Perry moment. I was addressing your specific comment that he has his positions down well. My response: to have them down well, he has to remember which position he’s holding at any given time and which group he’s pandering to at any given time. It must be kinda difficult, dontcha think?

    Regarding Obama, at least your second list separates the wheat from the chaff a bit. I’m very disturbed by his doubling down on Bush’s anti-terror tactics. I’m very disappointed by the lack of transparency (but that was a Peter Pan promise that any smart person, including me, should have known better about.) Voting GOP won’t change any of that unless Ron Paul is the nominee and as I’ve said before, Paul once placed in the Oval Office will get steamrolled into being just another POTUS.

    BTW … Poolman what say you? Can Ron Paul deliver on his ideology once in office? What makes you think so?

  262. “Let’s review your comment one more time:”

    Hey Breitbart. If you are going to review my comments how about reviewing the whole comment.

    “I am confident President Romney would have many faults, but he strikes me as the type of guy who has his positions down so well that he doesn’t get tongue-tied often.”

    And for more context, here is what I was responding to.

    “If he screws up, I get to post vids of him mispronouncing words.

    You’re moving the goalposts, Mitt….errr…Barack….errr…Rutherford.

  263. I know this might shock you but Slick Willie ain’t running for anything so your comment is TOTALLY irrelevant.

    Contraire. You immoral pricks set the precedent. I don’t want to hear one word from the party of sleaze and depravity about morality, decadence, “fairness”, adultery, or Fannie Mae.

    I don’t want to hear shit about transparency. We don’t need to hear your complaining about payoffs or slush funds, lobbyists, failed schools, or rules of law. We don’t want your bullshit or your lies anymore as the party of Nazi Pelosi. You have no intention of being honest or sane, Chaz Lawson. You’re one of them.

    And your single payer system is exactly why the Tea Party was established. Leave it to a dumb cluck like you to allow the efficiency of the Post Office and the empathy of the IRS to administer medicine. Absolutely brilliant. 🙄

    Perhaps you’ll be lucky enough to get Nurse Ratched to administer to your trachea and your ass the next go around. Serve you right – an uneducated, affirmative action gorilla with your life in her gnarly, filthy E. Coli hands.

    Maybe she’ll pull the plug, deciding you ain’t worth keeping and too small to be a fryer. 😉

  264. Can Ron Paul deliver on his ideology once in office? What makes you think so?

    Can anyone?

    Because he has such a big following in the military and all the grassroots movements, he probably has a better chance than most. With his time spent in politics, consistent ideals, and his unwavering defense of the constitution, he has many insider allies.

    I am hopeful Ron Paul would garner enough internal support to actually be able put forth his proposals.

    That is something Obama never had and has been struggling to establish. I wonder if Obama was that naive while campaigning and just can’t admit he cannot deliver what he promised. I don’t know how much of what he does is a carrot that they reel in and out. We all know he isn’t leading. I don’t think he’s allowed to. The only time he does is when he slips off the leash. Then he gets Solyndraed. Then one of his loyal men have to fall on their sword.

    There are people in established areas of our government system that want justice but are not able to safely speak out for it. We tend to eat whistleblowers for lunch. Either way, there is a huge power struggle in this nation that isn’t on the front pages and the military is in the middle of it.

  265. Sorry I’m late R, these guys are really pounding on you. Let’s see if I can draw away some of your fire.

    Newt is a jerk.
    Romney is a flip flopper.
    GM loss estimate doesn’t mean sh*t until the stock is sold and you’re not counting dividends.
    Newt is a jerk.
    OWS/Seattle got the city council to pass a resolution supporting a number of their proposals, including removing city funds from large corporate banks in favor of smaller local ones.
    The Republican’t “Let the insuranceless die!” Fascist freakshow world tour has been going all year (including about 127 televised debates) and they still can only manage a tie.
    And, oh yeah, Newt is still a jerk. That ought to do it.

  266. You’re moving the goalposts

    Absolutely. I moved the goalpost with my very first reply to your comment. The problem is you refused to admit I scored a goal at the new goalpost. 😉

  267. “Absolutely. I moved the goalpost with my very first reply to your comment. The problem is you refused to admit I scored a goal at the new goalpost. ”

    Which basically means…you’re playing with yourself.

    Congrats on your victory.

    ———

    SEIU is all over the LA march and I personally know some union activists from school that are marching in San Diego.

  268. We all know he isn’t leading. I don’t think he’s allowed to.

    Well this is the crux of the problem isn’t it? Good leaders don’t get permission to lead. They lead or they don’t. There is no “allowing” about it.

  269. Thanks Thor, I’ve been waiting for you to chime in and every time I see your name it is followed by basketball or tornado inquiries. I was about to give up hope. 😥

  270. Good leaders don’t get permission to lead. They lead or they don’t. There is no “allowing” about it.

    Good leaders don’t get elected. The chain of command promotes those that take orders best.

    Run Mitt, run.
    Sit Mitt, sit.
    Good Mitt, now here’s your treat…
    and now here’s the menu.
    Don’t color outside the lines, ‘kay?

  271. every time I see your name it is followed by basketball or tornado inquiries. – R

    Sorry. I love college hoops and I find violent weather morbidly fascinating. Character flaw. Irate Republican’ts however, are a dime a dozen, unless you’re speaking of Newt. Apparently he goes for about 1.6 million. 😉

  272. Tex, my reply, in one word:

    Nixon

    The entire Kennedy Klan & Gary Hart – scumbags and murderers to counter your charges. Mary Jo Kopechne was unavailable for comment. Throw LBJ and Cambodia into the mix.

    And I don’t remember Nixon poking the interns or raping anybody.

    As usual, your excuses are dry.

    Funny Thor would call Mitt Romney a flip flopper. I’m afraid Mitt and Newt are mere pikers to Obama’s, not flip flops but flat out lies, as VDH beautifully pointed out this morning.

  273. Rutherford,

    If I didn’t know everything I need to know about your new pal Thor and his judgment and abilities from the feckless blog, the support of the diseased and depraved OWS just settled the issue.

    MRSA would make better company.

    Hey Thor. Where’s your polling of OWS now?

  274. Poolman,

    Throughout your useless existence, what in the hell would a clod and clown like you know of LEADERSHIP?

    That’s parody, right?

  275. GM loss estimate doesn’t mean sh*t until the stock is sold and you’re not counting dividends.

    😆

    Don’t quit your day job to become a broker. It’s down 11 bucks since its IPO and you keep telling us its been paid in full. Guess not, hey?

    I’ll say the same about Bush and 2008. Doesn’t mean shit, and you aren’t counting the dividends! You’re not the maroon that Poolman is, but that absolute inanity of that comment was.

    Bravo Lib!!!!

  276. GM loss estimate doesn’t mean sh*t until the stock is sold and you’re not counting dividends.

    What dividends? I looked it up, and it appears they haven’t paid any. But then, how would they have the cash after issuing $5K “signing bonuses” to union employees on the last contract.

    And yes, the estimate DOES mean shit when the government had no business bailing the company out to begin with. The fact that the “loan” was such a turkey that we all had to be come equity owners to secure the “investment” was even worse.

  277. OWS/Seattle got the city council to pass a resolution supporting a number of their proposals, including removing city funds from large corporate banks in favor of smaller local ones.

    The Seattle city council isn’t exactly a model of good municipal governance. These are the same people who wanted to ban plastic bags for Seattle businesses, and it was either them or the King county council that was considering a “latte tax” a while back.

    Oh, and weren’t they the ones who tried to bag handgun possession in city parks…even if the holder had a CCW permit? Yeah, that didn’t end well for them either.

  278. It’s down 11 bucks since its IPO and you keep telling us its been paid in full.

    As you well know Tex, stock price reflects an abundance of factors. What crystal ball helped you narrow it down to just one?

  279. R, I’ll raise you one, and ask “What do you see as a positive indicator for the stock that leads you to believe that the taxpayer has a prayer of breaking even?”

    Is it that rosy economy that is going to pick up in the coming months? The sharp increase in the purchase of durable goods?

  280. As you well know Tex, stock price reflects an abundance of factors. What crystal ball helped you narrow it down to just one?

    Been tracking the sale of the Volt recently, even with Benevolent Barack’s kickbacks? 🙂

    This will end very ugly, so you and Thor need to get your heads together now and come up with some creative excuses for GM.

  281. Thor, so that you know. I haven’t moved you to the completely useless category yet.

    I don’t argue with the premise of corporate greed and corruption and that needed to be dealt with immediate. Where you and I part ways is who we need to protest.

    In my mind, your pals at OWS are sitting in the middle of the symptom – not the problem. Why aren’t they blocking the doors of Freddie and Fannie?

  282. Why aren’t they blocking the doors of Freddie and Fannie?

    Ask your buddy Newt about it. His “consulting” for them made him between 1.6 and 1.8 million smackeroos between 1999 and 2008.

  283. But your avoiding the question Poolman. We are not talking individuals; Newt is small potatoes compared to Obama buddy Franklin Raines. We are talking a corporate entity.

    I know this is probably new to you, being I would guess your largest recent investment is the quarter bubble gum machine last night at My Dung Chinese buffet with your lovely Mrs. after the delicious dinner, but there is no Mr. Wall Street – it’s a financial district.

    Of course, you too slow to comprehend and I can’t qualify that further, so I’ll use your “field of expertise” – numbers. 😈

    Freddie and Fannie took the American taxpayer for $141 billion dollars, and have asked for $12 billion more. Now they are paying bonuses to their execs to the tune of several million – while asking for more bail out.

    So why aren’t your sons and daughters protesting in front of Fannie and Freddie? They are the biggest benefactors of crooked greed.

    How many times did you dive into the shallow end while you were running that magnificent business, Herman?

  284. Throughout your useless existence, what in the hell would a clod and clown like you know of LEADERSHIP?

    Yeah, what’s up with that? Most of my ideal leader types have been killed by you extremist types.

    But your avoiding the question Poolman. We are not talking individuals; Newt is small potatoes compared to Obama buddy Franklin Raines. We are talking a corporate entity.

    That spotty comprehension’s gonna kill your long term survival statistic, Texcise. With my grandkids I attribute some selective hearing, but I think it is beyond that with you. I’m all for holding corporate entities accountable. I don’t play partisan. I don’t believe it makes a hill of beans. If it looks criminal, take it down, no matter what jersey its in.

    What are YOU doing about the bleed out? I want to take all these financial criminals to court and put them behind bars. I want to put Ron Paul’s sound money policies to work. I don’t think Fannie or Freddy survive that shakedown.

    Newt may be “small potatoes” in this case, but all it takes is one small rotten one to ruin a whole meal. I don’t think he’s the only one, however he is the one you’re lining up your ducks behind.

  285. Newt may be “small potatoes” in this case, but all it takes is one small rotten one to ruin a whole meal. I don’t think he’s the only one, however he is the one you’re lining up your ducks behind.

    Math comprehension dip. Math. You’re going to be late for your own funeral. No wonder you failed at business.

    Zero, your man you voted for, is running a deficit of $4.2 billion. And you want me to worry about Newt’s fee at Fannie?

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  287. “Throw LBJ and Cambodia into the mix.” – Tex
    Cambodia was Nixon’s deal.

    So who is your college team Thor, so I know who to root against this season?
    Zags and EWU but the Eagles only made it to dance once, and guess who crushed ’em. Your OSU Cowboys. An omen of some sort.

    “In my mind, your pals at OWS are sitting in the middle of the symptom – not the problem. Why aren’t they blocking the doors of Freddie and Fannie?”

    They might soon be. I hear there is a contingent marching from New York down to DC to visit the supercomittee.

  288. Newt is a jerk.
    Romney is a flip flopper.
    GM loss estimate doesn’t mean sh*t until the stock is sold and you’re not counting dividends.
    Newt is a jerk.
    OWS/Seattle got the city council to pass a resolution supporting a number of their proposals, including removing city funds from large corporate banks in favor of smaller local ones.
    The Republican’t “Let the insuranceless die!” Fascist freakshow world tour has been going all year (including about 127 televised debates) and they still can only manage a tie.
    And, oh yeah, Newt is still a jerk. That ought to do it.
    ” – Thor

    Obama is a Jerk.
    Obama is a flip flopper.
    GM loss is growing and won’t change since the UAW control in the Board will keep expenses high.
    Obama is an arrogant ass.
    OWS/Seattle is… who the fuck cares…
    75% of the country says that under Obama we’re going in the wrong direction, with a majority saying that he does not deserve re-election.
    And oh yeah, Obama is still an ass.

  289. Cambodia was Nixon’s Deal

    No, it became Nixon’s deal. Didn’t you watch Apocalypse Now? 🙂 I think that is where most of get our history today.

    Ahem. From Wiki, the Bible of Internet Blog Discussions:

    To accomplish this, President Lyndon B. Johnson authorized covert cross-border reconnaissance operations conducted by the highly-classified Studies and Observations Group (Colonel Kurtz 🙂 )in order to gather intelligence on PAVN/NLF activities in the border regions.

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    Ah, the Zags? Should have known. Yes, and I remember beating EWU, first game, final four season in 2004. We made some big, slow footed white goon with a left hook and playing center look like Lew Alcindor. Barely led at half-time if memory serves, then crushed you the second half. Eddie was interviewed, before taking a swig from the bottle, on his way to the locker room and was mad enough to chew nails. Actually wasn’t a bad little team you guys had that year. Hard to root against them.

    Well, the Zags are an easy team to root against, though I like the coach. Adam Morrison was perhaps the biggest ass ever to hit the college floor, and the most overrated. Has he broken down and cried in the pros? Any more brilliance about “opiate for the masses”, coming from the mouth of the worst mustache in history? I loved watching him go into the fetal position that year in the NCAAs. Until that year, I had actually liked the Zags.

    But I got to give credit where credit is due. The Zags are generally a solid team and hard to beat.

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