The Frat Boy and the Knowing Smile

I’m telling you, the GOP primary race is more fun than any reality show I’ve watched in a long time. The stars of my short commentary tonight are Texas Governor Rick Perry and pizza king and motivational speaker Herman Cain.

This week, old Rick Perry decided to go birther or so say the liberal MSM. It started with stupid comments made in Parade magazine and then he doubled down in an interview with John Harwood of CNBC.

Perry says “it’s fun to poke at him a little bit”. Look at his demeanor during the interview. Smiling, having a good old time. Believe me, Rick Perry is no birther. Rick Perry is a frat boy ass-clown. Rick Perry was the kid in school who would look at some poor kid whose pants didn’t reach his ankles and yell “hey Charlie, the flood is over.” Your basic dumb-ass bully. Anyone who truly gets upset over this latest twist is taking Perry way too seriously. Perry is not a serious man. He’s a good ole boy who shoots coyotes in the face.

Speaking of faces, the face of the week has got to be that of Herman Cain who has just released what I declare to be the best damn campaign ad ever.

The ad consists of a testimonial by Cain’s chief of staff, Mark Block. And what a great friggin’ spokesperson he is. Take Mitt Romney’s clean-shaven, polished, rehearsed, moneyed facade and bust it to shreds with a man who looks like he hasn’t slept in a while. A guy you just met for a business meeting at the local bar, not the country club. And then, to prove the ultimate street cred, the dude puffs a cig and exhales into the camera. No politically correct stuff here folks. This guy is real. This guy is America. And so is Herman Cain … and then the pièce de résistance, as the background singer declares “I am America”, we see Herman slowly, and I mean very slowly, give us that knowing smile. That smile speaks volumes. It could be saying  “I KNOW you love me.” Or perhaps, “I’m leading in the polls, bet ya didn’t expect THAT did ya?” Or simply “I’m gonna be the next President of the United States of America and screw Ubeki-beki-beki-stan-stan.”

America is basically a simple country. Most of us just want to go to work, make a decent living, provide for our families and enjoy our communities. We’ve not big fans of nuance. One reason why Sarah Palin captured the country’s imagination for a short time was her down home simplicity. She didn’t have to read the New York Times (or any other paper actually) to still have a valid opinion. Everyday Americans identify with that. Herman Cain is Sarah Palin without the mean streak. I discovered recently that even his “if you can’t find a job blame yourself” comment, which on its face sounds heartless is based on his motivational speaking gigs where he encourages self-sufficiency and a can-do attitude. You can get a taste of Cain, the motivator at his web site “The Hermanator Experience“.

Now let’s not sugar coat Cain’s problems. He is inconsistent on lots of issues, from abortion to immigration policy. He is proudly ignorant of foreign policy. His tax policy was elegant in its simplicity and deadly in its effect on the middle class and the poor. But even when he equivocates, as he did in his abortion interview with John Stossel, he equivocates with conviction. You cannot help but like this guy. And interestingly, while Barack Obama inspired millions with the promise of a glass ceiling being broken, he was never particularly warm or likeable. The truth is, Obama does come off as elite. Cain does not.

Normally, I’d look at all of Cain’s weaknesses, as detailed by political guru Karl Rove, and I’d dismiss Cain without a second thought. But I’m telling you, that slow smile shows balls! Herman Cain may be smiling all the way to Pennsylvania Avenue.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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445 thoughts on “The Frat Boy and the Knowing Smile

  1. I like him, I trust him more than the others, and I can’t wait to vote for him.

    I think Mr. Cain has been consistently pro life, and consistent in recognising the difference between individual beliefs and the law.

    It made me laugh to have a political ad that’s blowing a bit of smoke at the camera instead of a whole lot of smoke blowing up my skirt.

  2. That smile looks like Bud Cort from Harold and Maude as he instigates his mother’s unraveling. It is so smug. I love it.

    I find the Union/ Blue Collar/ Tough-guy/ VFW cigarette smoking part really unappealing. But there again, that image ain’t directed at me.

    Entertaining indeed.

    He’ll be decimated in the polls by the end of the year.

    I am still looking for a defense of Obama R. You’re as silent about it as. . . MSNBC.

  3. I agree, you can’t help but like Cain. He’s got a funny personality, and he has characteristic I share. I never take my self too seriously. My lifelong has been that of the late Groucho Marx: “I’d never join a club that would allow a person like me to become a member.”

    Like I said. This election has become very easy for me. I’ll let the Repub party work things out. ABO – just like blood types.

    Anybody But Obama….

    All Progs Must Die!!! 🙂

  4. Obama will have his Day of Penetration!

    (someone please show how to do that trademark symbol for the new Tex-approved line)

  5. trade; I thought you coined that. I’ve got to give credit where credit is due.

    But I snicker every time I think it.

  6. I did coin it. And now that you’ve approved it, it’s definately mine to exploit!

    Now are you saying trade; makes the symbol?

  7. Sorry, experimenting. No, I had to use

    ™ as in & + trade + ; (no spaces). Rutherford recommends using the Ascii codes, and that would be easier, but not on my keyboard. 😦

  8. Thanks Tex.

    Now cease and desist the unauthorized use of Day of Penetration ™ or I will seek an injunction and damages.

    Let me know if you’d like to purchase a license though.

  9. Let me know if you’d like to purchase a license though.

    Oh, did I forget to tell you? I trademarked my trademark – and the finding fee? The fee is twice Day of Penetration ™, so now we are even. 😉

  10. I get my ™ from pressing and holding the “alt” key and entering 0153, proving there is more than one way to skin a cat.

    Perry is now saying it was a mistake for him to be part of the debates. They sure do illustrate his stoopid side. I’m assuming there is another side to him, but I am not interested enough to search or wait for it.

    Turd Blossom taking down Cain is rather humorous. The GOP sure has a mixed bag of personalities. 😆 I like Cain, I just don’t think he’s presidential material. Obviously TB points to Cain’s weaknesses. The cigarette smoke in the campaign ad will turn off plenty of his conservative base and really is a dividing component. Obviously, some will be attracted to it, but some, in turn, will be repulsed. It is a gamble.

    Romney comes across as the best spoken, smartest, and best looking candidate. A true politician. Maybe a politician’s politician. Now, if he can just get past that being Mormon and the constant flippy-flop thingie. The religious right will have a tough time pulling for him because of the Mormon issue, whether they admit it or not.

  11. LOL I love the dorky discussion of special characters. Yeah I use Poolman’s method but Tex’s is so much easier. Let’s see if I got it right.

    Day of Penetration ™

    If this works, I owe Tex a root beer.

    P.S. Hey Tex, if this DOES work, can you point me to a web site with all the short cuts?

  12. Mmmm not bad let’s see if Poolman’s/my method gets the TM closer to the phrase:

    Day of Penetration™

    Yup, it does!! Hey Tex, you gotta figure out a way to eliminate that space. 🙂

  13. Poolman, maybe this plays into my overall prejudice against conservatives but I don’t think the cig puff will turn off conservatives at all. I associate the whole health craze thing with liberals. Conservatives, and especially libertarians would say smoke ’em if you got ’em.

    Now if he puffed a doobie, that might be another matter entirely. 🙂

  14. “I associate the whole health craze thing with liberals.”

    Health craze? You do love a caricature.

    Go to one of your OWS rallies and tell me how “healthy” these people look. Yuk.

    I think a libertarian like Cain would say if he wants to smoke, fuck it — let him.

    I think liberal would chastise publicly but then say “don’t get caught.” Like the fried food/cigarette smoking Obamas. 😆

  15. Now if he puffed a doobie, that might be another matter entirely.

    ¢ ™

    Poolman’s way, on a full-sized keyboard with a real numeric keypad instead of a combination of keys, is definitely the easiest and the way I learned. Unfortunately, I’m using a tablet, and the keypad is a pain in the butt. Lots of cool characters, if I had a numeric keypad.

    The cents sign was simply to test if I remembered how. I don’t have a short cut site “R”. That & trade ; was strictly from memory, and I screwed that up twice.

  16. Not quite sure why you said “as usual” Huck. I’m as sensitive to Islamophobia as are you.

    I forgot about it because it hasn’t been in the news lately (hence your article dating back to June). And to be perfectly honest Huck, and you know this very well, Islam related paranoia will not earn Cain any disdain from the conservative voter. Newt Gingrich is just as nutty about Islam as Cain is.

    Still, thanks for the reminder, Among decent people, his attitude toward Islam is yet another problem area.

  17. “Not quite sure why you said “as usual” Huck.”

    Because you never mention it until after I (re)call your attention to it.

    Its a deal-breaker for me and should be for everyone else, too. Because if he is already marginalizing 1 group of Americans, he will do it to others, too.

  18. R, mighty self-righteous of someone that doesn’t see a problem with the disparate treatment of certain minorities under Holder.

  19. Now if he puffed a doobie, that might be another matter entirely.

    It does additionally conjure that image. Ads are so intently analyzed anymore, the images used are rarely casual. Maybe an appeal to the independents and less religious?

  20. Tigre, if given the choice between someone who inappropriately advocates on behalf of a minority vs someone who inappropriately discriminates against one, I’d take the former.

  21. Martin Luther King will rise up from the grave and sing Hallelujah if in 2012 there are two black candidates for president even if one is half black.
    The GOP will nominate the person that they think can beat Obama.
    There was a time we thought a female much less a black man would never be elected POTUS but times have changed.
    Did Obama get elected because McCain picked Palin?
    Will Cain get nominated because he is black and therefore have a chance to beat Obama?

    As you said Rutherford, are we watching a new reality show? Are we so tuned into Dancing with the Stars and American Idol that we expect our next POTUS election to be judged on who has the “winning smile”?

  22. Interesting video. Can any of this be disputed? I’m finding more and more references that support this. Who can you trust?

  23. So Poolman found another conspiracy video accusing the Jews of killing GhaDaffy and controlling the world banks. 🙄

    Who knew all those executioners were Jewish?

    Libya, the richest nation in Africa? Like the tallest midget in the room, hey?

  24. Comic relief…I’ll bet the police are terrified of the OWS crowd.

    Sure you wish to hitch your wagon to these loons Barack?

  25. I’m finding a disturbing trend that all of you choose to remain silent about. These hedge fund managers and financiers that have been busted?

    Good find. He was arrested today. What disturbing trend is that? That bankers are criminal? That they support politicians? You expect different from either political camp? Money talks and politicians “speak” for that money.

    Welcome to the problem. Now let’s address it.

    Whose watch is it again? We’ll see how serious they are in where it actually goes.

    How many were arrested under republican administrations and where are those now? Follow the psycho paths.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/bernie-madoff-wife-ruth-attempted-suicide/story?id=14821587

  26. BiW admittedly I only scanned the article but I don’t get your gripe. If other denominations on campus have a place to practice their religion why shouldn’t Muslims? They want a place for their daily prayers, not a place to plan the next high-rise take down.

    Sorry, you’ve lost me on this one.

  27. Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, the recently posted video by Poolman illustrates the dilemma I always find myself in regarding said Poolman.

    The idea that Gaddafi was some sort of humanitarian hero is awfully hard to swallow. However, with very little knowledge of the political leanings of these “rebels” we jumped into the fray with NATO to dislodge Gaddafi and we are left with what?

    Those of you who like to dismiss our water recreation purveyor, must admit that the “truth” usually lies somewhere between the official story and the version Poolman wants to push.

    I suspect that the one truth we can pull from that video is that in the short term, Libya will be much the poorer without Gadaffi than it was with him.

    Hey Gorilla … if you happen to drop by this thread any time soon, give us your perspective on the “value” of thugocracies and the dangers of overthrowing them. I’ve gone on record conjecturing that Assad is overdue for an ass whupping but what replaces him?

  28. Martin Luther King will rise up from the grave and sing Hallelujah if in 2012 there are two black candidates for president even if one is half black.

    Raji, it would be interesting to know what King would have thought of Cain. He might have liked the symbolism of two black candidates but King was no fool … I suspect Cain’s utter unpreparedness for office would have disturbed him.

  29. Now boys and girls, I’m still not losing any sleep over Marco Rubio but unfortunately the plop, eeerrr, plot thickens on the exile story. Now it appears that the one “out” I gave Rubio has vanished. His parents had no intention of ever returning to Cuba, so there goes the alternative explanation that their country was hijacked by Castro and they couldn’t return … they didn’t WANT to return, even before Castro took over.

    Ok ok, if Hillary can exaggerate about dodging enemy bullets and Blumenthal can claim military experience he never had, I suppose Rubio can tell a tall tale or two. But aren’t you boys (especially big Rubio fan Tex) just a wee bit disappointed in your man?

  30. The lib MSM (or at least Chris Matthews) is still toying with the idea that someone, ANYONE, is going to get into this race at the very last minute to save us from these GOP clowns. Names like Jeb Bush still persist.

    What say you? Is the slate now cast in stone? Personally, with the Iowa caucus in the first week of January, I think we’ve got all we’re gonna get.

    Any wager on whether there will be a third party candidate and whether he or she will carry the clout of a 1992 H. Ross Perot?

  31. BiW admittedly I only scanned the article but I don’t get your gripe. If other denominations on campus have a place to practice their religion why shouldn’t Muslims? They want a place for their daily prayers, not a place to plan the next high-rise take down.

    I do so love it when you make me do the reading for you…after I’ve called it to your attention.

    The official allegations claim that CUA, “does not provide space – as other universities do – for the many daily prayers Muslim students must make, forcing them instead to find temporarily empty classrooms where they are often surrounded by Catholic symbols which are incongruous to their religion,” according to a press release on PRLOG.com.

    Now what you may or may not know is that CUA is a PRIVATE school, and that these students chose to attend there, KNOWING that it is a PRIVATE CATHOLIC school. Just because other schools, even other private catholic schools may choose to accomodate such students, there is no legal reason to force them to act against one of their purposes and provide space and clergy for a completely different faith. This is as absurd as me choosing to attend a private islamic institution and expecting them to provide clergy and a chapel for my practices, yet this just one more example of the MO that muslims operate under. All must yield to Islam…Submit.

    I think if I were on the Board of Regents or I were the Provost, I might be informing these students that there is no reason for them to return next semester.

    Sorry, you’ve lost me on this one.

    OH, you’re lost alright, but you can’t blame it on me.

  32. A couple of other odds and ends before I go to bed:

    1. Who “started” it in Oakland, the cops or the OWS crowd? You already know my suspicions. Tiananman Square comes to USA. HuffPo made some hay about one of the critically injured OWS protesters being an Iraq vet. Mmmmm.

    2. Tex, I don’t really give a flying f*ck how many corrupt rich folk contribute to Democrats. I’ve already said repeatedly that our Congress is bought and sold. To some extent, sadly, so is the President. BTW, Romney won’t change that if he gets the chance in 2013. (Recent study showed that of the top ten most wealthy congress critters, seven are Democrats.)

    3. Personally, I’m getting a kick out of how “pass this bill” is morphing into “we can’t wait”. It’s about time for Obama to say “if Congress is not going to move the needle one inch to help the country, I’ll do it my damn self.”

    Sweet dreams y’all! (>.<) zzZ

  33. Actually, BiW I DO see your point regarding Muslims attending a private Catholic school. I’ll use the lateness of the hour to defend my not catching that key part of the story. 😳

  34. If those were strict Muslims, they wouldn’t even be attempting to get into a Catholic school, nor using an American justice system to sue.

    So these are your examples, Mr. Phelps? 🙄

    Yeah, I thought so. Islamophobes and homophobes unite.

    I’ll stick to my rock, man.

  35. “Who “started” it in Oakland, the cops or the OWS crowd?”

    I don’t know.

    “Personally, I’m getting a kick out of how “pass this bill” is morphing into “we can’t wait”. It’s about time for Obama to say “if Congress is not going to move the needle one inch to help the country, I’ll do it my damn self.” ”

    Yeah, the constitutional separation of powers is a real bitch, isn’t it?

    Congress represents the will of the people. It’s up to the people to decide when they are not doing their job. It is not up to the executive.

    And it’s BS that congress hasn’t done anything. Numerous trade agreements were passed a couple weeks ago with overwhelming bipartisan support. You didn’t hear about it because that doesn’t help foster division like Obama wants.

  36. Hey Gorilla … if you happen to drop by this thread any time soon, give us your perspective on the “value” of thugocracies and the dangers of overthrowing them. I’ve gone on record conjecturing that Assad is overdue for an ass whupping but what replaces him?” – R

    Well, the devil you know is often better than the devil you don’t know.

    Here’s the bottom line, and the main reason why I can’t stand neo-cons, democracy is very, very, expensive. It requires a tremendous amount of societal and cultural buy-in, loads of infrastructure, and a lot of education. Most of these places don’t have these things and it requires a tremendous amount of resources and time from us to TRY and institute them. I’m not confident about democracy in places like Libya, Syria, Egypt, Tunisia, etc, because they don’t have the societal/cultural buy-in required for democracy to work. Yes, that includes Afghanistan and maybe Iraq.

    I had this conversation yesterday with a gentleman named Bruce Hoffman, who’s been studying the region for awhile. When I said that Egypt was reminding me of Tehran 1979, his response was “exactly”. The same can be said of Tunisia and I’m sure Libya is going to do something similar. In Egypt, we saw socialist, secular youth pushing for the removal of Mubarak, but now we’re seeing the Islamist parties push these more liberal youths to the side as they have the organization and resources to exploit the void. In Tunisia, we’re seeing the Islamist parties dominate the election process for much the same reason. People either don’t know, or forget, that Libya sent more foreign fighters to Iraq to fight with al-Qaida than any other country.

    So, looking at this from a realist perspective, I don’t see this as a benefit to US foreign policy, nor do I see this as a benefit to Western values. There have been a lot of “revolutions” in the Middle East, but you have to go back to 1921 Turkey to find one that was in support of Western values, which means that we’re seeing the region regress from liberal (in a foreign policy sense) secular views. See, this is where I have issues with the “Islamophobe” name callers. Most know next to nothing about political Islam or of the ideological strains of the regions and the groups. I have no problem with Islam- I have very close family members who are Muslim- but I recognize that there is a difference between Islam and Islamists.

    Which brings us back to the question at hand. Whether you liked Hosni Mubarak or not, he was the closest Arab ally we had in the Middle East. Whether you liked Qaddafi or not, he stabilized Libya and was actually working towards improving his relations with the West. We knew these devils, and more importantly, they were working towards, or at least not hampering, Western interests. No one here can same the same will be true of the future. We don’t know who is going to come out on top in Libya, but it likely won’t be someone we’ll like, nor will the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt work in our interest. At best, there will be chaos, but at worst- and most likely IMO, there will be the ascension of anti-Western parties that will work concertedly against US and Western interests. Golf clap please…

    The only state I actually support the revolution in right now is Syria, and that’s because the devil there is awfully bad. Chaos in Syria would be better for us than the current regime. Of course, that wouldn’t work out so well for the neighboring states. At the end of the day, we have to ask who’s interests take priority, ours? Or someone elses…

  37. “Tigre, if given the choice between someone who inappropriately advocates on behalf of a minority vs someone who inappropriately discriminates against one, I’d take the former.”

    Who said you had a choice?

  38. Al-Poolman,

    It disturbs me that there are people like you driving in traffic.

    Good find. He was arrested today. What disturbing trend is that? That bankers are criminal? That they support politicians? You expect different from either political camp? Money talks and politicians “speak” for that money.

    I forget I have to spell it out for the Libs here like you. They’re all Dimocrats, Dummy. Like you. They vote like you. Now do you get it Brick?

    Give us some more rank GhaDaffy propaganda, mixed in with Jew hatred. Moammar was so beloved, his own people hunted him down and executed him. That your neighbors would do the same…

  39. Raji, it would be interesting to know what King would have thought of Cain. He might have liked the symbolism of two black candidates but King was no fool … I suspect Cain’s utter unpreparedness for office would have disturbed him.

    The utter depravity of this statement is mind boggling. First, MLK was no saint as we’re all getting ready to find out. And his legacy of greedy children and spouse is a national disgrace, so the man failed at his most important missions, being he was also a serial philanderer. There, I’ve said it. MLK plagiarized his best speeches. This deification of King has run its due course and it is long overdue to end the political correctness. So I have no idea why MLK’s opinion should matter more than anybody else. But even if MLK walked on water, you’re going to tell me Herman Cain is less prepared to work with business large and small than some debunked tool like Barack Obama? Other than with assistance of Predator drones and Navy Seals, whaT has Barack Obama done well? He is far, far worse failure than George Bush was on his worst day, Afghanistan is a mess, even the generals have turned on Zero. And even the people of Louisiana said as much.

    Rutherford, you’re so dishonest sometimes, it has to be purposely done. It must be to try and rile us. You can’t be Fat Grannies stupid. You just can’t.

  40. Rutherford,
    I don’t think King would be “high fiving” Obama either. Apparently “unpreparedness for office” doesn’t factor into the equation if Obama is any example.

    Maybe elections are all based on a “winning smile” and we just thought it had something to do with capability. Silly voters 😉

  41. Regarding 62, Huck we can objectively say Congress is doing next to nothing to help the economic situation. I’ll gladly listen to your analysis of how these trade agreements will help John Doe get a job. For that matter, did any of the trade agreements move one inch toward China not eating our lunch?

    The will of the people is exercised once every two years and then it’s up to the folks in DC to get something done. When we can objectively say they aren’t getting anything done and we have to wait until the next election for the “will of the people” to be exercised again, what good does that do us? Hence we can’t wait. Obama needs to get sh*t done on his own utilizing whatever executive powers he has at his disposal.

  42. The utter depravity of this statement is mind boggling.

    WOW … did YOU wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. Stop posting before 8am dude.

    I’ve been about the only one on this board to burst the bubble of MLK the saint … and I’ve brought up his moral lapses as example. (Of course J Edgar taping the activity shows what a sick f*ck he was.) So please don’t lecture me about MLK the philanderer.

    I was responding to Raji’s conjecture. I was not implying that MLK was in any unique position to judge the matter nor that we should walk around saying “what would MLK do?”

    As for Cain’s preparedness. This is not a goddam chamber of commerce meeting we are talking about. This is running a complex country with economic and foreign policy issues and vulnerabilities. The man’s tax plan doesn’t work. The man has admitted he has no foreign policy acumen and plans to rely on his advisers.

    He is charismatic, he is likeable, and considering how simplistic the average American is, he is symbolically the right leader for this country. All that said, he is woefully NOT ready to be President of the United States, the qualifications of the current POTUS notwithstanding.

    Now go back to bed … and get up on the right side of it for goodness sake!

  43. I forget I have to spell it out for the Libs here like you. They’re all Dimocrats, Dummy. Like you. They vote like you. Now do you get it Brick?

    For the umpteenth time, I AM NO DEMOCRAT! Actually most of these “criminals” give to both sides, even your favorite whipping boy Soros. Remember Jack Abramoff? Mostly republican but also a democrat supporter. They “sponsor” and “payoff” whoever will get them results. There is no difference between “sides”. Pull your head out.

    Again, you’ve discovered the problem, and it is NOT partisan.

    “Hedge funds bankrolled the Democrats in the 2006 and 2008 elections, and the very people they helped put in power turned around and screwed them,” said Sam Geduldig, a former Republican congressional staffer who is a Wall Street lobbyist.

    2008 was the last election where democrats received more from these sources than republicans, a trend since 1996, when republicans had been receiving the most donations.

    After lawyers, the investment sector was the largest source of donations for Mr. Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign among industry sectors tracked by the Center for Responsive Politics. And hedge-fund money is the fastest-growing segment of contributions from that industry, more than doubling every four years. Investors are pouring money into hedge funds again, after souring on them during the financial crisis.

    “After lawyers…” 😆 My point was this happens in both political parties. Calling out one without pointing to the other is disingenuous. This pendulum continues to swing left and then right, with the center getting the least “face” time. The only way we are going to change things is to get ALL the money out of these campaigns. Period.

    But 53% went to Republicans in the 2010 election cycle, when hedge-fund managers’ and employees’ donations totaled $11 million. GOP strategists credit a core group of fund managers for helping Republicans win control of the House, make inroads in the Senate and drive Mr. Obama toward the political center.

    A half-dozen fund managers donated a total of $6 million to the Republican Governors Association in the weeks before the 2010 election and spent millions more to finance a blitz of ads for Republicans running for Congress.

    The shift started near the end of the 2008 campaign, when Mr. Obama began blaming hedge funds for some of the country’s economic problems.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703461504576231121265117538.html

  44. Gorilla, I second Raji’s praise. From my limited foreign policy perspective, everything you said made sense to me.

    I’ve always had a creeping doubt about just how dire the situation was with Gaddafi’s threats against his own people. Something tells me this was overblown as an excuse to get rid of a leader the US and the region had simply grown tired of.

    I’ve been even more baffled by our about face on Mubarak. I assumed Egypt was our ally yet we cheered the overthrow of that government.

    Confusing times we are living in. Despite how empty my customer pipeline is right at this moment, I don’t think I’d wanna switch jobs with you. I don’t know how the hell you sort this stuff out.

  45. First, MLK was no saint as we’re all getting ready to find out.

    No, the man was human, just like everyone else. He had faults and weaknesses, along with talents and strengths. He was God’s chosen instrument to bring social change to America. He was in the right place at the right time and dedicated himself totally to that. He was decidely non violent and he knowingly gave his life for that cause. That is noble, no matter how you try to spin it.

    That reserves his place in history, no matter how that “place” is being discredited by people like you. No person is perfect. Look at all the characters in scripture. Your King David is still held in high esteem, though he was more destructive and sinned greater than MLK. Look how David’s family turned out. Maybe you need a refresher course. 😉

  46. Tex, I’m not gonna sit here and claim Gaddafi some paragon of virtue but I think it’s worth noting he really was killed by a crazed mob. This was hardly representative of the will of the people. My guess is that in parts of Libya he was greatly loved.

    That is why I would have preferred his capture and trial in a civilized justice system. Maybe turn him over to the world court? The outcome in Libya has been IMHO suboptimal.

  47. Rutherford, you’re quickly becoming more like Poolman each passing day. And since you don’t have a problem with continually using God’s name in vain, then I won’t feel it necessary to refrain from using mammy, mulatto or pickaninny when I feel like it.

    Herman Cain’s business experience alone makes him far more qualified then President Mulatto Obama, and his American hating wife Mammy with their pickaninny children. The dumbass for President has talked about Corpse Men, the common “Austrian” Language, Cinco De Cuatro, having dialogue with America’s enemies (that’s worked so well, even Putin called him a dope) to be won over by his dynamite of his megalomania personality. So Zero obviously is not only clueless about anything foreign, but had zero business experience too. That makes him a useful idiot and the people that voted for President Zero imbeciles. The results speak for themselves.

    Poolman is so dumb, he doesn’t realize I wasn’t making example about hedgefund managers making donations to buy influence. I’m pointing out the ones giving to the Dimocratic party are the ones going to prison for fraud. He can’t tell that “subtle” difference. 🙄 The Brick.

    Finally Rutherford, are you so naive, you think some small mob was chasing GhaDaffy over the country of Libya? 😆

  48. “But even if MLK walked on water, you’re going to tell me Herman Cain is less prepared to work with business large and small than some debunked tool like Barack Obama? Other than with assistance of Predator drones and Navy Seals, whaT has Barack Obama done well?” – Tex

    I suppose this was intented for me. Bush Dow 10,600 down to 8281.22. Obama Dow 8281.22 up to 12175.97. When Bush left we were losing 780,000 jobs a MONTH. Makes Obama’s 100,000 + a month added look pretty good. Those numbers would be even better if the tea baggers hadn’t pushed us into a downgrade. And don’t lean on the line “still blaming Bush”. I have seen nothing from the thre leading Republican’t candidates that isn’t just regurgitation of Bush’s destructive policies minus the hard on for attacking countries that pose minimal threat to our national security.

  49. Poolman,

    That reserves his place in history, no matter how that “place” is being discredited by people like you. No person is perfect.

    And MLK has more than received his place in history and I have said as much here by complimentary his oratory.

    Let me ask you something Brick. More deserving of streets, statues, his own holiday, and thousands of other unique entities in comparison to say George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson? 🙄 Or more mentions in an American history book than all three I’ve listed combined?

    Give me a break about piety…oh and by the way. To the best of my knowledge, the legacy of Washington, Lincoln, and Jefferson didn’t demand payment of $800K for their images or words to be used. ** PUKE **

    I don’t know what I hate more about you, Poolman. Your abject stupidity, your twisted “religious” dogma, your intense Jew hating, or that occasional gut wrenching, politically correct, self-righteous, sanctimony you like to preach.

  50. Thor, you rival Poolman in your worldly knowledge. A truly useful idiot and scotum sucker – probably a shit eating, bi fag.

    Would you tell me what grand Obama policy lead to the market being up 300 points today? Please, fill in the blanks for me. I would like to know exactly what principles Obama has invested us that has led to the stock market uptick. Is it our $4.2 billion dollars of debt a day that we have accumulated during Obama’s regime? How about the 3,400,000 jobs lost under his tutelage? Or gasoline up 80% under since he took the helm? How about Zero’s promise that unemployment wouldn’t go above 8% if we spent a trillion dollars – more than the entire Iraq War? The real unemployment rate stands at 16.5%. Or the downgrade with Zero as President?

    Bush Dow 10,600 down to 8281.22. Obama Dow 8281.22 up to 12175.97. When Bush left we were losing 780,000 jobs a MONTH. Makes Obama’s 100,000 + a month added look pretty good. Those numbers would be even better if the tea baggers hadn’t pushed us into a downgrade. And don’t lean on the line “still blaming Bush”. I have seen nothing from the thre leading Republican’t candidates that isn’t just regurgitation of Bush’s destructive policies minus the hard on for attacking countries that pose minimal threat to our national security.

    I’ll guarantee you have absolutely no financial expertise. You’re some failed author. From your own poorly trafficked blog, I can read you’re an economic moron. And I’m going to come back to you and tell you that until the real estate bubble, the market stood at 14,200 – of which George Bush had little or anything to with the record level. Did you read that dumbass?

    Just remember I told a toad like you this as a favor. About a year from now, you’re going to be eating dung filled crow and proven a bald-face liar and propagandist. Just make sure you keep a hundred bucks when this market collapses and your 401K sits real low, so you can pay Rutherford next November.

  51. Give me a break about piety…oh and by the way. To the best of my knowledge, the legacy of Washington, Lincoln, and Jefferson didn’t demand payment of $800K for their images or words to be used. ** PUKE **

    Puke is right. Welcome to the age of entitlement. Capitalism on steroids. This is your system, dude. The very one you espouse. MLK is not gaining wealth from this. These are people jacking the system. Wake up. People are assholes.

  52. Here Thor Thor,

    Add this pesky number to your Blog of Woe about how wonderfully well Obama is doing in leading this grand country.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/direction_of_country-902.html

    Under Obama’s FAILED LEADERSHIP, 19.0% of the country feels the country is heading in the right direction. Lower than anytime during the Bush term.

    Try to correlate that with the DOW will you before revealing anymore economic ignorance?

    Now, you can lick my scrotum some more dog….

  53. I don’t know what I hate more about you, Poolman. Your abject stupidity, your twisted “religious” dogma, your intense Jew hating, or that occasional gut wrenching, politically correct, self-righteous, sanctimony you like to preach.

    You DID wake up in a funk. Hate, huh? I am rubber, you are glue.

  54. Personally, I’m getting a kick out of how “pass this bill” is morphing into “we can’t wait”. It’s about time for Obama to say “if Congress is not going to move the needle one inch to help the country, I’ll do it my damn self.”

    Yeah, because that Constitution thing is a fundamentally flawed document that is ancient and authored by a bunch of dead old white guys who made it hard to read n stuff…obviously.

  55. More deserving of streets, statues, his own holiday, and thousands of other unique entities in comparison to say George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson? 🙄 Or more mentions in an American history book than all three I’ve listed combined?

    Oooooo, you didn’t just wake up on the wrong side of the bed, you rolled over your own head and lost your mind.

    Are you going to suggest there are more MLK Blvd’s in this country than Washington Ave or Washington Road or Jefferson Court, etc etc? If so you are in such a paranoid state of delusion, I need to call the Okie paramedics to get to your house STAT.

    The same goes for history books. MLK is far from a footnote and he deserves to be far from a footnote but does he overshadow Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln in public education? Again, if you think so, you’re in need of counseling.

    FWIW, I share your disgust at the King family for your reasons and others you haven’t mentioned.

    Finally Rutherford, are you so naive, you think some small mob was chasing GhaDaffy over the country of Libya? 😆

    That is not too far from the truth. From what I saw the rebels originated in Benghazi and traveled through the country. I did not see Libyan city after city rise up against Gaddafi spontaneously.

    Finally, what about “the qualifications of the current POTUS notwithstanding.” did you NOT understand? You’re as bad at debate as your neighboring Governor. I’m talking about Cain, not about Obama. You tell me with a straight face that you’re ready to give Cain the codes to the nukes and then at least I’ll know what reality you exist in. 😕

  56. The same goes for history books. MLK is far from a footnote and he deserves to be far from a footnote but does he overshadow Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln in public education? Again, if you think so, you’re in need of counseling.

    Have you looked at a recently published American History text? I have, and even if it weren’t for the curious editing, I’d be augmenting my oldest son’s curiculuum at home anyway, but its pretty astonishing.

  57. Rutherford, and you question my debate skills?

    You have demagogued, propagandized, lied, made one misleading statement after another, embellished, projected, misdirected, covered, bragged, offered foolish advice, ignored shortcomings, turned the other cheek at bullying and criminality, pissed in your pants and fainted at such profundity as “Yes We Can” and “We Are the Ones”, and been a complete lackey voting for a man that had far less qualifications at anything than Herman Cain did twenty years ago.

    I don’t call him Zero for nothing…

    Yes, I think this hero worship, idol worship of MLK is incredibly distasteful and the clearest example of political correctness in U.S. History. I want you to name for me one other person of American History who literally has a federal holiday named after him besides the nebulous Columbus Day. We used to have Washington’s birthday, which we named President’s Day.

    So King the only deserving, hey? Rasberriessssssss….

    While Washington has more streets named after him, I’m sure, your comparison as usual is both specious and inaccurate. Washington predated King by 200 years. 🙄

    There are over 730 cities or towns in 39 states that have streets named after Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. as of 2006. I believe the man has been given his just due.

  58. There will come a day BIC, that we will look back on what is going on in public schools and science, being forced fed even under threat to our students as fact – when it sheer speculation, and be embarrassed. If you had been in medical school recently like I have been, I discovered almost by accident that whispered amongst the intelligentsia, the theory of evolution explaining the scope of what these secularists want it to, has been falling apart since the days of the introduction of molecular biology.

    It’s not that I don’t believe in “evolution.” I do. We can observe bacteria evolving. But the bacteria remains bacteria. In addition, bacterial reproduction is produced through binary fission – asexual reproduction. That is certainly a far cry from by passing on the information found in the chromosomes via the gametes that are created in meiosis. It’s like saying because I was vaccinated for small pox, therefore my children will be immune to small pox. Nope…

    What I don’t believe in, is evolution’s ability to explain it all. It can’t. Not even remotely close, and anybody that now believes that is not only blind, but a sucker of infinite proportion.

    And if I hear one more time some ‘world renowned’, atheistic biologist state or some limp dick like Pfesser crow “evolution is the basis of all biology”, I’m going to scream.

    Cellular biology is the basis for all of life, therefore all of biology. They can’t even be honest about that.

  59. If this batch of so called conservatives were true to their “religion”, they would be supporting the one candidate who has consistently sided with the constitution and for the people over corporations.

    http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/stimulus/2011/oct/23/principled-consistency-ron-paul/

    The fact is, this current group just wants to be in charge, with all the authority that gives them. They prefer driving opposed to riding. They think they have the superior abilities, though history does not bear that out. Therefore history must be wrong liberal rewritten. 🙄

  60. when it sheer speculation

    I think you’re being overly generous. Even Steven Jay Gould actually knows that the theory as presented is a fraud, and had to come up with an additional theory to butress the theory, despite the second theory’s reliance on a phenomena NEVER witnessed or recorded.

    I was listening to the guy who’s spent most of his career studying bacterial flagella, and his discription of the 40 different components, and how the genetic code is extraordinarily exacting and basically assembles the structure from the inside out. All I could think was “did they actually have an understanding THIS detailed when I took bio in high school and college, because if they did, the only reason they’d have for not teaching it is the desire to avoid some very difficult questions that they don’t want to answer, because those answers would take them outside of the typical scientific orthodoxy.

  61. Sorry Tex, Rubio’s own words from the Miami Herald piece: My parents are from Cuba. After arriving in the United States, they had always hoped to one day return to Cuba if things improved and traveled there several times. THAT turns out to be a flat out misstatement. His parents applied for permanent US residency before Castro came to power. Sadly your article was written a week ago before more recent findings made your article obsolete.

  62. We used to have Washington’s birthday, which we named President’s Day.

    No, Actually we had Washington AND Lincoln’s birthday which we consolidated into President’s Day, a move I didn’t endorse by the way.

  63. Poolman, I’ve said time and time again, if the damn fool hadn’t allowed his name to become associated with racist commentary back in the day, I’d be a big fan. Paul is consistent and he shows some common sense.

    One of the things he said recently on some news show was basically that the country has to be willing to go through a world of hurt for about one year and then come out the other end ready to start over and do it right. I think he’s saying that we all want a solution to our problems that involves no pain and that is impossible. Something to think about.

  64. So I was reading this book my Mom gave me last night. Its 100 years old and is a collection of some of Lincoln’s speeches and correspondence.

    I was fascinated by a lengthy except of a speech he made in response to the Dred Scot case in response to Justice Taney’s decision.

    In a nutshell, Lincoln was the second President to argue the idea that the DoI is NOT a dead letter in American law, and lambasted Taney for the reading of it that he put into the decision. The except as a whole has some rather remarkable implecations for the current treatment of the document as well as a serious mental nipple twister for those who sacntioned Taney’s interpretation of it.

    I also got a giggle out of the continuous references to this republic. I wonder if our “Lincoln Scholar In Chief” thinks about them at all when he carries on with his “democracy” palaver.

  65. Poolman, I’ve said time and time again, if the damn fool hadn’t allowed his name to become associated with racist commentary back in the day, I’d be a big fan. Paul is consistent and he shows some common sense.

    We all have things in our past that we aren’t thrilled about and we have done our best to distance ourselves from. I was a staunch republican, back in the day. I got over it. Call it enlightenment. 😉

  66. BIC, I was being generous. You ought to hear the speculation on DNA/RNA formations – it’s so bad, you can’t help but laugh at it. Inorganic clays and such. Now if Pfesser comes storming in to try and justify his bullshit, he’ll say something about “but but but but….that’s not evolution!!! Clueless, irrational!!!!” Trying to hide speculation of abiogenesis, or some other regard. 😈

    Then I am forced to remind him, they didn’t call Darwin’s book “Origin of species” for nothing. You can’t just start at Point X through the alphabet and tell me letters A-W aren’t necessary to define the world of evolution. It’s intellectual fraud at its deepest.

    I haven’t followed this Intelligent Design much, but what little I know, I do know this – they ask a question that has to be answered for the scope of evolutionary biology to carry much weight in explaining their claims of enough time, enough water, enough amino acids all some how magically producing the living world you see. ID calls it “irreducible complexity”. And evolutionists don’t even try to attempt answering the question, because they have no answers. So they attack, marginalize, spew bile, threaten, try to discount, etc…predictable as the sun rising.

    In a nutshell, irreducible complexity asks a very basic biological question: in order for a cell to function, all of it’s organelles must be in place and functional. Remove one part of the “engine”, nothing works and apoptosis follows. So, the ID folks ask how would evolutionary biology explain (1) how the parts evolved; (2) how the parts were instantaneously and simultaneously assembled, because by definition, they would have to be.

    They are met with everything but an attempt at an answer.

    Clearly, there is a Creator. If modern science, with all of our ingenuity and control, can’t explain chemically, biologically, mathematically, or physically, how you can string 3 billion nucleotides in a proper sequence, semi-conservatively in replication, providing error-checking mechanisms in the process, only reproducing at the proper point in cell cycle, with cellular signaling by receptor being the mode of “communication”…

    and we can’t even determine yet most of the regulatory mechanisms, much less duplicate the machinery even in the most controlled of circumstances, would somebody with an ounce of sense tell me how a brutal, harsh and random nature did as much?

    It’s a joke. Atheism on its face is dying, and many of them don’t even know it.

    That’s why when Rutherford makes the most stupid of statements, “I see no evidence of a god”, I literally stand aghast – being Rutherford has got 100 trillion cells making up somebody called Rutherford with God’s fingerprint in each cell. And that’s just a small proof for starters.

  67. Could someone explain to me why any journalist talks to Bernie Madoff’s wife? Why is their supposed suicide pact news? The Madoff’s should be ignored by polite society.

    Same goes for John Edwards. I saw a recent headline about his daughter getting married. Who cares? Edwards should be a pariah who never gets press coverage again.

    As a country we no longer have any shame.

  68. Tex, I was sitting there thinking “If evolution were a fact, then why haven’t we ever come to a point where one half or all of a base pair has mutated and introduced a new structure that has been carried forward in some species? You know, instead of a A-T, C-G sequence, you get a M-P, B-E sequence? It seemed to me that it would have had to happened by now based on statistics alone.

  69. Same goes for John Edwards. I saw a recent headline about his daughter getting married. Who cares? Edwards should be a pariah who never gets press coverage again.

    When I was driving back from court today, I heard that he failed in his bid to get his case dismissed and the trial will go forward for his misuse of campaign funds. And YES, we should have that kind of coverage to reinforce the idea that you can be a douchebag, but you can’t be a douchebag with campaign funds.

  70. BIC,

    I’m just looking for simple answers to simple questions. Like what part of evolution would logically explain an error correction mechanism for DNA reproduction, and why would that be necessary, if random mutation is the holy grail? Doesn’t that kind of defeat the purpose of speciation? 🙂

    Or why is our most conserved gene more compatible with porcine than simian (MHC) – the reason we use heart valves of piggies, for instance? Or what explains the cell cycle? Or what are the mathematical odds that a series of three nucleotides called codons, transcribe exactly the twenty basic amino acids required for translation of proteins, but the genetic code say there should be 64 (4 ^ 3 power) – what’s the reason in the redundancy in the coding (more than one nucleotide combination can lead to the creation of the same amino acid.)

    But I have an even more fundamental question that I wish to ask atheists. Being that it should be obvious there is an order to evolution by definition, being evolution in essence is adaptation to one’s environment, do you not see a matter of intelligence in the methodology of knowing how, what and when to adapt? Or has something that simple escaped you scoffers?

    Like I’ve told Rutherford before, to not believe in a Creator is the absolute height of foolishness, and so irrational that it deserves above all else to be mocked.

    It’s a fair argument to discuss who is the Creator. It’s a non sequitur to asks if a creator even exists. That’s one of the main reasons I find liberalism so void – it is completely irrational and invariably leads to bad conclusions. How many times does it have to fail before the lightbulb might come on?

  71. By the way Rutherford, bleeding heart liberal. Here today in Oklahoma, the Department of Health and Humans Services has thrown up their hands. They can’t handle the load and children are literally dying on account.

    So who did they turn to? Barack? No? Nanny state? No. More Government? No? Unitarians? No. Liberals? No… Progressive politic? No No and NO.

    They are begging the Christian churches to help.

    For you big government proponents, perhaps you might find yourself in the same predicament one day. You might want to measure your words Rutherford as you mock Christianity, because you might find yourself choosing between the street and those who actually show real charity and compassion, without benefit of some other person’s money. 😡

    Why don’t you mock MLK for his basic tenets? Wasn’t he a Baptist preacher?

  72. Regarding the fallibility of Darwin … hell if recent findings call into question Einstein’s theories, than ANYONE is up for grabs.

    Science is the theater of continual discovery. It would be nice if we could get politics out of it.

  73. Worse than that BIC and Rutherford. I believe the teaching of evolution, even more so than global warming and the debate over abortion, is the most politicized cultural issue of all.

    What’s going on in education is nothing short of fascism with respect to science and teaching. You can’t even ask questions about their pet theory without fear of firing. I had a teacher threaten to keep me from medical school on account of my continual questioning of “theories.”

    It’s a lot like that Heidi Cullen skank, who said anybody who denied AGW should be decertified as climatologists. That’s tyranny 101 from a dunce who should have been bitch slugged for that commandment. Same with the teaching of evolution. Either you will be a devout follower, or you will be destroyed.

  74. “Anyone who cites Big Bang Theory gets permanent citizenship at the RL Blog.”

    I have recently discovered this silly, guilty pleasure.

    “I had this conversation yesterday with a gentleman named Bruce Hoffman, who’s been studying the region for awhile.”

    I read his Inside Terrorism for a paper I did on Hamas and resource mobilization.

  75. That is pretty darn pitiful for that polar bear. He’d better evolve quickly and put on some gills. 😆 Can’t blame the banksters for his demise.

    OT – not that that ever was a concern…

    How’s this for a number? According to data released by the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management and Enforcement, there are currently 24,486 known permanently abandoned wells in the Gulf of Mexico, and 3,593 “temporarily” abandoned wells, as of October 2011.

    http://blog.skytruth.org/2011/10/abandoned-wells-in-gulf-of-mexico.html

    This just boggles the brain. 63 years of drill, baby, drill. I think it would be quite different if women were in charge. Guys just love to drill holes any and everywhere. Natural concern for the planet is more a motherly trait. How many of those abandoned wells are from foreign companies? It just seems absurd. And this doesn’t include all the active wells. This is NOT a long term solution.

    The burden to monitor these abandoned wells alone is big. Oil extraction has forever changed our world. The quick gains (relative to the age of the world) are having long term consequences to the health of all life on this planet. I don’t think man has contributed much to the climate change, but he has surely poisoned lands and waters. That desire for profit over responsibility makes capitalism very destructive.

    I think I’ll go out now and hug a tree while we still got some. 😉

  76. I think it would be quite different if women were in charge. Guys just love to drill holes any and everywhere.

    Yeah, me too. I think we would still be living around campfires in caves with really nice curtains.

    Have no fear Poolman. There’s actually as much woodland now as there was when our founders walked the planet here in America.

    And the caribou that were going to go extinct because of the Alaskan pipeline? Not only have they survived, but thrived, using the heat from the pipeline to their advantage….

  77. Well, if you ask Tex, Michele IS running things.

    According to this study, if you want to live the American Dream, you need to move to Denmark. 😀

  78. Lol…no taco bell for me. The first couple comments were very predictable but still made me laugh out loud!

    “….Fire bomb my shorts”

    I got to get up at 445.

    Puljos getting walked. Berkmen better end this thing one way or the other.

  79. And YES, we should have that kind of coverage

    Yes, BiW on that you and I agree. Coverage of the consequences of his scumbaggery is important. It’s the trivial pop culture coverage of him that bothers me.

  80. I have recently discovered this silly, guilty pleasure.

    Ah then Huck, you MUST see the quintessential clip from the show where Sheldon solves the inadequacy of rock-paper-scissors by adding two more variables 🙂

  81. BiW,

    If you are really into Lincoln history, I’d recommend this site: http://lincolnarchives.us/. They are going into the National Archives and color scanning primary source documents from Lincoln, and then posting them for researchers. Second only to the Archives, this is the only place you can find color scans with transcripts of the primary source documents of Lincoln. A pretty awesome site.

  82. Huck,

    Yeah, his book is pretty good. Good speaker, but he’s pretty pessimistic about what’s happening mostly because of those things we can’t control. He makes very valid points. Speaking of which, did you guys see who won the elections in Tunisia? Case in point…

  83. R, looks like you’re not invited (this supposed to be real — listen to the end).

    It just makes you want to vote for him again, doesn’t it? 😆

  84. Tigre, 😆 😆

    See, and you guys might wonder why I live where I live. Can’t accuse us of not being straight shooters, hey (no pun intended)?

    If you are a socialist liberal… or voted for the current campaigner and chief…no Muslims! God Bless America. 😈 Reminds me of some of my Texas buddies – sounds like my ex brother-in-law.

    ———-

    I saw a poll the other night that said 48% of Americans would be “distraught” if Obama won another term. In other words, 48% of might give serious consideration to doing something, anything, to get out from underneath the tyranny of Obama & Co.’s gross incompetence. I probably would be one of those 48% and might have to rethink my position about America.

    This country ain’t coming back together anytime soon.

  85. Huck, LOL seeing that BBT knocking compilation actually gave me a bit of trivia. Apparently Sheldon dropped from four knocks in the beginning of season 1 to just three knocks in later episodes.

    My favorite one was when Penny knocks back. 😆

  86. “…and God bless America.” What a joke. 😆 Like God shares in redneck prejudices. There will be a very rude awakening for all these “believers” when Jesus shows back up, and with dark skin. It really makes me chuckle. It’s really hard to wait for it. Patience, patience, patience…

    “Well Lard, we knew you meant to add Muslims, Arabs, and liberals to your list of enemies, we just can’t seem to find it in this here Bible. But we know you couldn’t possibly love them, let alone like ’em. That’s why we hate them too. We’ll chase ’em to the ends of the earth. Bless us, Lard. Bless our holy guns and bullets, too!” 🙄

    Pride can be an ugly thing. Hmmmm. There will be a whole lot of shaking going on. 😎

    I think this Mark Twain war prayer is on target.

  87. Gorilla, great Lincoln web site. This chilling entry from timeline:

    November 9, 1863 — Lincoln attends Ford’s Theater to see “The Marble Heart” starring John Wilkes Booth.

    Spooky, watching the man who will less than two years later kill you. Reminds me of Mark David Chapman getting Lennon autograph the same day that he guns him down.

  88. Like God shares in redneck prejudices. There will be a very rude awakening for all these “believers” when Jesus shows back up, and with dark skin. It really makes me chuckle. It’s really hard to wait for it. Patience, patience, patience…

    Except those rednecks aren’t wards of the state like somebody else I know.

    Won’t be half as funny as watching this moronic Jew hater, suddenly recognize he’s talking to the Creator who just happens to be a Zionist.

  89. Moderate? My ass…

    I was with you G, until I clicked your link and see that once again it’s all Obama’s fault. Look, as I said earlier I don’t know why we abandoned Mubarak but I also don’t see what we could have done to stop the overthrow. Should Obama have sent troops into Tunisia and Egypt to help the dictators keep their regimes alive? What should he have done?

  90. “In other words, 48% of might give serious consideration to doing something, anything, to get out from underneath the tyranny of Obama & Co.’s gross incompetence. I probably would be one of those 48% and might have to rethink my position about America.”

    Buh-Bye. Just don’t forget to give R that C note before you pack your tea bags for Costa Rica.

  91. might have to rethink my position about America.

    LOL Tex what does that even mean? You gonna move to Canada and give up your citizenship? Pure nonsense.

    Think about G’s words regarding foreign policy — sometimes the devil you know is better …

    Can’t wait for Romney to get elected and pull a Bain Capital on your ass. He’ll destroy what few jobs are left in America.

    Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha

  92. I’m not gonna go deep into this evolution thing. I agree that a theory is a theory and shouldn’t be quoted as gospel. Those who challenge the theory should not be ostracized. To do that is to betray the whole point of scientific discovery.

    But Tex, I’m sorry dude, it is the weakest of intellectual arguments to say that the inexplicable MUST be evidence of God. That is like the child who never sees Mom and Dad put the presents under the Christmas tree and therefore concludes there MUST be a Santa Claus.

    There are things beyond our current understanding. Perhaps that will remain so forever? The notion of a Creator is fine and dandy. I don’t quibble with that. But Tex, you want to take it a step further.You want to attach morality to this Creator. You want to make this Creator an entity that interacts in our daily lives. By inserting that Creator into the equation, you give yourself the slippery slope to build an entire mythos (i.e. organized religion) around that Creator.

    You know what would impress the hell out of me Tex (not that you’re in the business of impressing me)? I’d be impressed if you said “this complex world in which we live makes it so obvious that there must have been a Creator. But the creation was done, and the Creator is gone.”

  93. Buh-Bye. Just don’t forget to give R that C note before you pack your tea bags for Costa Rica.

    Hilarious. Nah Thor, those damn Costa Ricans don’t speak English … f*cking heathens. Tex is Canada bound!!! 😉

  94. “Moderate? My ass…”

    What exactly is your February article meant to prove?

    Ennahda won the election, and I don’t see that word anywhere in there.

    They are expected to name Hamadi Jebali as their PM, and I don’t see that name in there, either.

    I don’t see anything you wrote that refutes these claims:

    “Ennahda has sought to reassure secularists and investors, nervous about the prospect of Islamists holding power in one of the Arab world’s most liberal countries, by saying it would not ban alcohol, stop tourists wearing bikinis on the beaches or impose Islamic banking. “

    Did I miss something? (genuine question)

  95. If one is a good Jew, one cannot be a Zionist; if one is a Zionist, one cannot be a good Jew.

    I don’t make this shit up. People with a lot more religious knowledge than I have support this statement.

    Zion of the Bible and Zionists are in total opposition. It doesn’t take much research to know that. But it does take an ability to learn and to be able to adjust one’s ideological views. It also helps if HS is revealing God’s word to you. Otherwise the Bible is merely words on a page.

    To call the Father our Creator a Zionist, is a really ignorant statement. Zionism is less than 200 years old and is a secular political movement. Many Jews and non Jews alike have called it out as racism. The very definition of Zionism supports this.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

    Elevating and separating any “tribe” above another is racist. Pure and simple. But go ahead and spin it. You are certainly not alone.

  96. The notion of a Creator is fine and dandy. I don’t quibble with that. But Tex, you want to take it a step further.You want to attach morality to this Creator. You want to make this Creator an entity that interacts in our daily lives. By inserting that Creator into the equation, you give yourself the slippery slope to build an entire mythos (i.e. organized religion) around that Creator.

    I think I’m going to respond to this later this evening.

    It will make a nice respite from witnessing and commenting on what isn’t the funniest end of civilization.

  97. “Tex is Canada bound!!! ”

    The beer is pretty good, but they’ll take your guns and make you speak French. Hey, wait a second, sounds like me and R should head up there. 🙂

  98. They don’t make you speak French. They just make it manditory that its printed on any lable, street sign, or official publication. And outside of Quebec, Ottawa, and a few of the Maritime Provinces, they are rather ambivalent about it.

    You can add good music to the excellent beer.

  99. “Won’t be half as funny as watching this moronic Jew hater, suddenly recognize he’s talking to the Creator who just happens to be a Zionist.” – Tex

    Keller will be shaking as well. “Non-Christian Arabs.” Either he hates Jews as much as he hates liberals, or he’s never heard of the Mizrahi or the Sephardi. But alas, a reading of the Nobel winner J.M.G. Le Clezio’s “Desert” is probably not on this guy’s bucket list. Maybe he would prefer Lenny Bruce … “When the Messiah comes, you’re gonna be in the shithouse.”

  100. Ah, don’t worry Rutherford. Thor is like all liberals – physically, a pussy.

    And on my way up to Canada, I’m going to make a pit stop up in Washington and take Thor Thor with me – involuntarily, of course.

    I wouldn’t get too cocky Thor Thor. We may just decide to kick you and your family’s ass up to the North Pole and show you about as much mercy as your brother Ghadaffy. An ass beating for you and yours may be in the works.

    I’ll take the mercy shot.

  101. Thor Thor, that payroll report is real nice – and a crock of shit like the unemployment rate is 9.1%.

    The real unemployment rate is closer to 17.0%. And the only real poll numbers that matter are in Nov. every two years, even if a rank propagandist like you refuses to admit it. That is, unless you consider the New York Times an enemy of Zero.

    https://rutherfordl.wordpress.com/2011/10/26/the-frat-boy-and-the-knowing-smile/#comment-49236

    So we shall see just how popular your false messiah is in about 13 months, because from the look of Nov. 2010, he was historically unpopular. And since about 4 in 5 voting adults believes the country is heading in the wrong direction, your “good news” doesn’t seem to jive now, does it?

  102. “And outside of Quebec, Ottawa, and a few of the Maritime Provinces, they are rather ambivalent about it.”

    Yeah, if you go to Vancouver you’re probably more likely to hear Chinese than French. But I was in Jasper once at an overflow campground (pretty much a park-sanctioned kegger) and this biker dude had to tell me about seven times where he was headed … Edmonton … before I could figure out what he was saying. Then he opened a twist off beer bottle with his eye socket. He must have been from Quebec.

  103. Psalm 2:6
    “I have installed my king on Zion, my holy mountain.”

    Psalm 9:11
    Sing the praises of the LORD, enthroned in Zion; proclaim among the nations what he has done.

    Psalm 9:14
    that I may declare your praises in the gates of Daughter Zion, and there rejoice in your salvation.

    Psalm 14:7
    Oh, that salvation for Israel would come out of Zion! When the LORD restores his people, let Jacob rejoice and Israel be glad!

    Isaiah 47:14-17

    14 But Zion said, “The LORD has forsaken me,
    the Lord has forgotten me.”

    15 “Can a mother forget the baby at her breast
    and have no compassion on the child she has borne? Though she may forget, I will not forget you!
    16 See, I have engraved you on the palms of my hands;
    your walls are ever before me.
    17 Your children hasten back,
    and those who laid you waste depart from you.

    18 Lift up your eyes and look around;

    So I’ll let Al-Poolman use Wiki as his source, and I’ll continue to use the Old Testament as mine, and we shall see if my 3,000 year old documents from King David and the Prophet Isaiah are more reflective of accuracy than Poolman’s Veteran’s Today Wiki files at the end of days.

    I really like my chances. 😉

  104. BIC,

    I wouldn’t waste my time with Rutherford. He’s not really worth the trouble IMO. I really provided that more for anyone else that happened to read it. We’re not talking terribly deep here. Worse, in Rutherford’s arrogance, he believes he is intelligent enough to define morality and goodness for us. Does he read like somebody you would want to hang your future upon?

    Look at Rutherford’s support of the degenerate OWS movement. Anybody with a few working synapses ought to be able to see how shameful that orgy is.

    Rutherford’s boasts are as meaningless as Poolman’s arguments, and as short lived. I only talk about it here, much like I would use a soft glove across Rutherford’s cheek. 😉

  105. “Thor Thor, that payroll report is real nice – and a crock of shit like the unemployment rate is 9.1%.” Tex

    You’re the one that threw it out there. I just corrected your inflated number.

    So we shall see just how popular your false messiah is in about 13 months, because from the look of Nov. 2010, he was historically unpopular. And since about 4 in 5 voting adults believes the country is heading in the wrong direction, your “good news” doesn’t seem to jive now, does it?

    Not if he continues to be the only one doing anything. Congress is at 9% approval

  106. “I wouldn’t get too cocky Thor Thor. We may just decide to kick you and your family’s ass up to the North Pole and show you about as much mercy as your brother Ghadaffy. An ass beating for you and yours may be in the works.

    I’ll take the mercy shot” Tex

    Save your rounds for the pizzlies. That is if you don’t crack the ice with your fat ass and drown.

  107. Tex, you totally miss the point. I can find many more references in the Old Testament regarding Zion. The point is the modern “Zionists” and the present secular nation of Israel are not at all what these references relate to. You, along with many others are deceived. Are you certain your last name isn’t Hagee? You certainly line up with his teaching.

    Why don’t you come up with the scripture that uses the word “Zionist” or “Zionism”. That should be easy to find, since Jew and Israel are there in both the OT and NT. Yeah, find that one/those ones. Use any translation you want.

    A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man’s praise is not from men, but from God.

  108. “I’m not sure that talking and threatening to sign executive orders of dubious validity counts as “Doing anything”.” BIC

    In the current DC climate, he practically equates to a workaholic. The Republican’ts in the house just voted to work, get this, two days a week next year. I wonder if anyone will even notice? Of course, if OWS starts showing up at their town halls, they might change their minds. Canter already cut and ran from one appearance because of OWS. No better place to hide than the beltway.

  109. The Republican’ts in the house just voted to work, get this, two days a week next year.

    Actually, the schedule approved has them working 20 days in January, which is 3 more days then the Congress clocked in January under Granny Rictus’ august leadership.

    Glass House, meet stone, stone, meet Glass House.

    Of course, from my perspective, since Congress “working” means Congress spending money that it doesn’t have on things it shouldn’t be doing, no work is fine.

    By contrast, Obama “working” means that he’s pissing off the networks by prempting their paying customers for pointless and repetitious speeches, and campaigning on our dime which still costs us less then he and his wife’s lavish vacations, so while it sucks either way, it sucks a little less when he’s “working”.

  110. “So I’ll let Al-Poolman use Wiki as his source, and I’ll continue to use the Old Testament as mine…”

    Then you will be absolutely missing the point, and arguing apples to oranges.

    I also love how the OT is proof of something until it says something Christians don’t like, then is is allegory or the NT trumps it.

    If you want to prove Jesus would be a Zionist, why not use NT verses that actually talk about his teachings instead of the teachings of people who probably wouldn’t have given some guy claiming to be the essence of God the time of day?

  111. I know some of you are not keen with the VT information. This seemed important enough to consider…

    Secret contacts between Prime Minister Ahmadinejad, Ayatollah Khameni and counterparts in Israel, Russia and Turkey have been uncovered outlining a plan to stage an attack on Iran by Israel with full permission of the key groups within the leadership of the Iranian government and the clerics who oversee them. Members of opposition groups who have learned of this plan are livid.

    The attack, scheduled for any day now, has one primary purpose.
    It is meant to stabilize both the Iranian and Israeli governments, both of which have strong opposition at home and face charges of corruption…

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/10/27/breaking-iran-and-israel-caught-partnering-in-attack-ploy/

  112. You’re the one that threw it out there. I just corrected your inflated number.

    But my number is not inflated. In fact, it’s clearly understated as evidence by the real employment number. But why argue? I can wait for 12 months.

    I wouldn’t get too tough with me John the novelist. Before I shove the stick up your sissified ass (which you might enjoy), I’m going to break me a few phalanges . 😈 You don’t think I’m going to waste a bullet on a lib, do you? Or maybe I’ll just tranquilize you before experimenting. I’ve got a few special things planned.

    I can’t believe Congress is at 9%. Who are the 9%? But if you are to ask district by district, you’ll find the only people that matter have their Congressman’s approval way above Zero.

    I do enjoy watching you godless libs scramble to cover for this fraud.

  113. “Actually, the schedule approved has them working 20 days in January, which is 3 more days then the Congress clocked in January under Granny Rictus’ august leadership.”

    The Washington Post reported 6 “voting” days in January. Semantics I suppose. And historically it’s fairly average for the year, a little on the low side. Just seems like if they want people to think they care about jobs and unemployment, they might act a little more serious about their own jobs.

    Now, to make amends, ever been to Lake Louise? 🙂

  114. I also love how the OT is proof of something until it says something Christians don’t like, then is is allegory or the NT trumps it.

    Can you give us some examples ? There’s not a word of the Old Testament I don’t believe, so don’t speak for me Huckster.

    If you want to prove Jesus would be a Zionist, why not use NT verses that actually talk about his teachings instead of the teachings of people who probably wouldn’t have given some guy claiming to be the essence of God the time of day?

    Boy, you really don’t understand even the basics of Christianity, do you? You’re as clueless about Christianity as Rutherford is about science, or Poolman is about, is about, about everything.

    This work for your first question, Dhimmi? It would be futile for me to try and explain to you further. You’re base is much too limited – like speaking science with Rutherford.

    ———–

    Matthew 21:5
    “Say to Daughter Zion, ‘See, your king comes to you, gentle and riding on a donkey, and on a colt, the foal of a donkey.’”

    John 12:15
    “Do not be afraid, Daughter Zion; see, your king is coming, seated on a donkey’s colt.”

    Romans 9:33
    As it is written: “See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who believes in him will never be put to shame.”

    Romans 11:26
    and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written: “The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.

    Hebrews 12:22
    But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly,

    1 Peter 2:6
    For in Scripture it says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.”

    Revelation 14:1
    [ The Lamb and the 144,000 ] Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.

    ———–

    But better than all this, let me revert back to the O.T. for a moment, since we are talking about Jews. Get it Huck? Probably not…

    Ezekial 37,38 and 39 is the clearest indicator of what God would eventually do for the Jews at the time of the Diaspora. And by name, it calls that country the reformation of Israel. You can look it up.

  115. My experiences are all east of there.

    I used to like to go up to Toronto and hang out for a few days at a time. Wander around Younge Street, got to the museums, drink the beer…

    I interned in the House of Commons in Ottawa in 1993…turned out to be a very interesting time to be there.

    Sadly, my only brush with Lake Louise is in listening to Blue Rodeo singing about it wistfully in the song “Western Skies” from their album Lost Together.

  116. You’re as clueless about Christianity as Rutherford is about science

    That was actually kinda stupid. I’m much more clueless about religion than I am about science. 😉

  117. Poolman your latest VT quote puzzles me. Mahmoud’s “counterpart” in Israel is Benjamin Netanyahu. So are you really suggesting that Beebee and Mahmoud have “agreed” to have Israel attack Iran in order to make both regimes look stronger?

    Sounds a wee bit far fetched to me.

  118. I was just throwing it out there, Rutherford. I realize from discussion that nobody here thinks any of our leaders are psychopaths or would ever do anything to harm any of their citizenry, even if it solidifies an agenda (ie: 9/11), or if they see that “sacrifice” as necessary to “save” the rest or an institution.

    “Far fetched” is what they depend on.

  119. A new sign in the Bank Lobby reads:

    ‘Please note that this Bank is installing new Drive-through ATM machines enabling customers to withdraw cash without leaving their vehicles.

    Customers using this new facility are requested to use the procedures outlined below when accessing their accounts.

    After months of careful research, “MALE & FEMALE” procedures have been developed. Please follow the appropriate steps for your gender.’

    *******************************
    MALE PROCEDURE:
    1. Drive up to the cash machine.
    2. Put down your car window.
    3. Insert card into machine and enter PIN.
    4. Enter amount of cash required and withdraw.
    5. Retrieve card, cash and receipt.
    6. Put window up.
    7. Drive off.

    *******************************

    FEMALE PROCEDURE:
    (What is really funny is that most of this part is the truth!!!!)

    1. Drive up to cash machine.
    2. Reverse and back up the required amount to align car window with the machine.
    3. Set parking brake, put the window down.
    4. Find handbag, remove all contents on to passenger seat to locate card.
    5. Tell person on cell phone you will call them back and hang up.
    6. Attempt to insert card into machine.
    7. Open car door to allow easier access to machine due to its excessive distance from the car.
    8. Insert card.
    9. Re-insert card the right way.
    10. Dig through handbag to find diary with your PIN written on the inside back page.
    11. Enter PIN.
    12. Press cancel and re-enter correct PIN.
    13. Enter amount of cash required.
    14. Check makeup in rear view mirror.
    15. Retrieve cash and receipt.
    16. Empty handbag again to locate wallet and place cash inside.
    17. Write debit amount in check register and place receipt in back of check book.
    18. Re-check makeup.
    19. Drive forward 2 feet.
    20. Reverse back to cash machine.
    21. Retrieve card.
    22. Re-empty hand bag, locate card holder, and place card into the slot provided!
    23. Give dirty look to irate male driver waiting behind you.
    24. Restart stalled engine and pull off.
    25. Re-dial person on cell phone.
    26. Drive for 2 to 3 miles.
    27. Release Parking Brake.

  120. Rutherford,

    This is here is an example of why I abhor liberalism, and most liberals in general. So if I follow this dead fish twat’s lead, I assume white people liked Barack Obama because Brackie new his place too?

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/msnbc-analyst-herman-cain-black-man-who-knows-his-place_604145.html

    Rutherford, do you have any earthly idea how absolute phony and bankrupt these white liberals you listen to are? They pat you on the head and tell you you’re an equal – then play you for a fool. If you could read their heart, you’d be serving their coffee.

  121. “I was just throwing it out there…”

    That is what conspiracy theorists depend on. Unsubstantiated crap that they just “throw out there.”

    “Can you give us some examples ?”

    Pretty much any time someone cites the OT to show how unmerciful God can be and how nasty the people of the OT could be. I’m not going to dig around comments for direct quotes, but everyone here, including you, knows well what I am talking about.

    “This work for your first question”

    Yes, that actually does work.

    I don’t think it was asking too much for you to cite the actual teachings of the guy about whom you were trying to make a point.

  122. So I will indulge you with 1 example.

    #67 “You know all you good Christians who have eaten shrimp or lobster are going to hell.

    You know… cause it’s the word of God an all.

    Just saying…

    The Bible is very black and white about it, so you know, sorry about that. In Leviticus it says, “all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you: They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination. Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.””

    #68 “And as far as your old, tired rhetoric of Leviticus, you really ought to direct that to the Jews, most of them Liberal and like you cheating for Obama – the ones you run with, being that they still are living under the law like you.”

    Here you infer that the NT trumps the OT.

    #75 “Of course, you cherry pick verse to support your passages, so maybe you can explain the following to me. From the 2nd Law again:

    Deuteronomy 30:19-20

    This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live and that you may love the LORD your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him. For the LORD is your life, and he will give you many years in the land he swore to give to your fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.”

    And here you admit that the verses you don’t understand might be symbolic.

    #96 “I believe that verse, and including the instructions that trouble you from Leviticus, were written in the historical context of Jews punishing those who called themselves descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that refused the basic tenets of the patriarchs and the 613 established laws of God. While many may seem archaic, and frankly I don’t understand all of them, some may have been symbolic in nature – i.e., forbidden to stew a lamb in its mother’s milk. Got me, but I bet a Jewish Rabbi could explain – or it may have significance as symbolic to the “Lamb of God.” I truthfully don’t know.”

  123. And yes…before you have a cow, I am aware I screwed up in the middle there and Deuteronomy is not a NT contradiction.

    My example may not have been the best, but as I said….everyone here knows damn well you have claimed everything I said you’ve claimed about the OT and NT.

    When you want to eat what you want, the context doesn’t apply to you. When you don’t kill infidels like you are supposed to, those laws don’t apply to you. What you don’t understand might be symbolic in nature. It’s all right there in your own words.

  124. I’ll try and be fair here. If I have misrepresented you, Tex, I apologize. But my genuine impression has been what I have asserted.

    I’m not really into this to argue much more about it.

    Now let’s all enjoy this awesome singer…

  125. Huck is not terribly competent BIC.

    Yes, Huck. Jesus did change a great many things. The first and foremost being the road to salvation. He said as much by telling us of the new covenant. So there is no contradiction when Christ tells us “I give you a new law….”

    And one of those laws was….are you ready? Set it to memory now, so you don’t look so ignorant again.

    Romans 14:20 “For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.”

    1 Timothy 4:3-4 {3} Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. {4} For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving”

    Colossians 2:16 “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days”

    Romans 14:17-18 “For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. {18} For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.”

    So before you call me a hypocrite, why don’t you “bone up” on the Bible and get your head out of that gawd awful Koran you carry in your pocket next to your heart, you appeasing Dhimmi and fool.

  126. That is what conspiracy theorists depend on. Unsubstantiated crap that they just “throw out there.”

    That describes what the media and our government does all the time. Remember 10 years ago? So very convincingly, not one of you will consider the real science. Rabbit’s gone so far as to say I haven’t presented any “evidence”. Well, I will keep trying.
    Science. Logic. Facts. Data.
    Dispute it. I’m listening. This latest offering is quite good.

  127. There’s some really pissed off, scorned men out there. I kind of appreciated this rant, because he is right about quite a few things, but his suggestions were weak. Plus I can’t personally sympathize, being my wife is my best friend.

    http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/10/28/another-conservative-traditionalist-gets-it-wrong-about-men-and-women/

    Every real man knows there are too damn many scabs like Fake in the world. But you can’t blame the Fake and her ilk for the one-sided courts and feminization of men. Men gave an inch and then allowed a mile. We need some of these divorce court justices to ride the lightning and get a severe attitude adjustment. I’ve always contended get about 500 madmen together, and you could change the world in an evening.

    And then men need to start telling these hag misandrists teaching Man Hate in corporate America to kiss their ass, and mean it.

    I want to tell these guys, perhaps you could learn a thing or two from the Taliban, but I thought better of it. 😈 Didn’t want to start a mob, or anything but men could change this pronto.

    Me personally, I’d like to go on a little hunt in Hollywood. 😉 Play fox hunt. Give me a hundred Rabbits, strong drink, a sack of weed, and some speed, and we’d change Hollywood scripts overnight to where men were men again.

    We need more Godfather movies. 😉

  128. Tex, I didn’t call you a hypocrite. I suggested that you believe the OT to open for different levels of interpretation at times. If you didn’t catch that then maybe you’re the one who isn’t terribly competent.

    While we can argue as to the extent that I was wrong, I have already shown you the extent to which I was right. I said you hold some of the OT to be symbolic, and showed where you said the same thing.

    That doesn’t require me to bone up on the Bible. It requires me to bone up on the Bible according to Tex.

    Plus, If I boned up on the Bible, I’d find more inconsistencies like whether or not Jesus was hung from a tree or crucified on the cross and I am just not in the mood to hear how I am too stupid to understand some illogical nuance that wouldn’t be accepted in any other work.

  129. 😈 Hey, all you maggots still thinking OWS is the answer to the Tea Party? 😈

    Thor, you lying, rank propagandist. I can hardly wait to duel with you – I’m going to impale your ass gleefully up there on an unpicked apple tree on my way to push you into the Alaskan Strait, for no other reason than your pathetic support of these dregs. Diseased vectors in waiting.

    Liberalism is utterly bankrupt in every capacity at its core. Look at this shit….

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/10/report-fights-erupt-between-occupy-wall-street-protesters/1

    There hasn’t been this high value a target area since Jon Stewart last gathered his groupies in Washington.

    If Obama would whistle in a couple of those drones loaded for bear, I’d vote for him. I’d kiss Ugly Michelle and buy her a 10,000 calorie dessert, plus play chauffeur with a coonskin cap, if Zero dropped a daisy cutter right in the middle of that park. He could go down as the next Truman in my book.

  130. Between your Christian bashing, baiting, and jihadi appeasing and mourning, you’ve become about as useless as Al-Poolman.

    Do you know that you seldom if ever offer an original, damn thing?

    No, you sit in the back of your proposed classroom setting, like the snot-nosed dweeb and horn rimmed glasses, with multi-colored turtleneck, “commenting” on everybody’s else deficiencies. A critic. You’re not good enough or smart enough to be a critic.

    You not only are ignorant about Christian theology. You don’t even understand the word allegory. I doubt you even recognize Christ spoke in parables. Take this lunacy for instance:

    I’d find more inconsistencies like whether or not Jesus was hung from a tree or crucified on the cross

    What do you think the cross was made of? Cement? A Roman Pillar? Bronze?

    Good grief…an absolute theological buffoon.

  131. So if I follow this dead fish twat’s lead, I assume white people liked Barack Obama because Brackie new his place too?

    I am VERY disappointed in Karen Finney. I’ve always liked her but this is for the most part foolishness.

    On the one hand, as I’ve said before, Cain’s popularity does help lay to rest the charges of racism against the Tea Party. But what I find funny is that white folks just can’t win. If Cain gets rejected, everyone will say it is because he is black and the GOP is racist. If he gets accepted (as he currently is) it’s because he is black and the GOP is hiding that they’re racist.

    Tex you’ll get no argument from me that a lot of what fuels liberal white talk about race is liberal guilt, plain and simple, as opposed to genuine respect for the black man.

    Another of my fav pundits, Professor Melissa Harris-Perry recently disappointed me when she claimed that liberal whites abandoning Obama were exhibiting some sort of soft racism. Did it ever occur to her that maybe these folks think Obama is sucking at his job?

    I know you guys have me pegged as a race-baiter but you couldn’t be more wrong. I try real hard to figure out as objectively as possible if I see racism going on. That’s one reason why I don’t include the Obama-as-Hitler posters as racist. They’re not. I even had to back off the Obama-as-Joker posters which I originally mistook for Obama being in white-face.

    The great thing about Herman Cain is that he is doing what every black ought to be doing … expressing an independent political opinion that is genuine without regard for what is expected of him. And he’s not crazy like Alan Keyes. 🙂

    Now that doesn’t mean the dude should be President, but that’s a whole ‘nother story.

  132. Tex, since you’re a Joe Hicks fan, here’s a video that speaks to my prior post (Birth of a Nation). Unfortunately, Hicks fails in two ways in his argument. First he wants to have his cake and eat it too. He welcomes bullets in Gaddafi’s head but then says it’s a bad start for a new democracy. Well, Joe, which is it?

    And then, he blames the brutality on Islam. So damn convenient. How ’bout the possibility this is just an animalistic mob and we may have backed them prematurely? Why throw Islam into the mix?

    So I find myself agreeing with Hicks and disagreeing at the same time.

  133. Poolman, call me a lazy f*ck but the worst way to teach me the ways of a truther is to offer me a 60 minute video. My short time on this Earth is too precious for that kind of time commitment. 😐

  134. Tex I will grant you two things tonight, mainly because I’m in an inexplicably good mood.

    First, the OWS crowd needs to do their thing during the day and go the f*ck home at night and then come back the next day. For all the Tea Party’s ignorance and gun toting, they at least knew when the party was over and when to start the party up again. This continuous occupation can only lead to frayed nerves and confrontations.

    Second, and I tweeted this the other day (you guys only quote the tweets you don’t like), even though I’m not tickled with the reaction of the Oakland police, the fact is that CIVIL disobedience does NOT involve throwing rocks and bottles at cops.

    I watched an interview between Crazy Larry and an Oakland OWS protester and I was dumbfounded. Larry tried his best to paint the cops as savages but the protester’s answers blew my f*cking mind. I paraphrase the interview below:

    Larry: Did you get any warning from the police that they might use force? Larry’s clearly expecting her to say no.

    Protester: Yes, they warned us to disperse or they would have to forcibly disperse us.

    Larry: Reports say some protesters threw rocks and bottles at cops. Was that true? Again, Larry is expecting her to say no, it’s just propaganda.

    Protester: Yes it’s true. Some threw rocks and bottles. But the cops were in full riot gear. They were in no danger.

    WTF????? In what world do you throw a bottle at a cop and not expect to get your head bashed in? Tear gas was the best case scenario response. Now of course, the Iraq vet getting critically injured makes a great headline as it throws GOPhers supposed patriotism up against the wall but it doesn’t erase the total disregard this crowd had for the proper methodology of the protest.

    Again … CIVIL disobedience. You drop to the ground and go limp and force the cops to drag you off. You don’t raise a fist, a rock or a bottle.

    Damn … now I’m not in such a good mood anymore. I’m going to bed. 😦

  135. I haven’t found anything from Pajamas Media that doesn’t promote Islamophobia or that says anything critical of Israel or Zionism. It is decidedly biased. Not that most other sources are not. But to expect balanced reporting from PJ media is like expecting racial equality from David Duke. If you drink from that well everyday, it will eventually contaminate you.

    For all the criticism of the occupy movement, I see plenty of patriotic people willing to do something to change their situation. I don’t necessarily agree with all the protesters demands or methods, but they are there on the front lines. Much more dedicated than a lot of us.

    The recent attack on protesters in Oakland will do wonders to energize the movement. Rubber bullets and tear gas used on non violent protesters will go a long way to increase sympathy and add to the numbers. Watching all those clips, it’s hard to imagine this is America.

  136. Not for nothing Tex, but being crucified on a wooden cross is not the same as being hung from a tree.

    That’s like saying because my dining room chair is made of wood, I’m sitting on a tree stump.

  137. Rubber bullets and tear gas used on non violent protesters will go a long way to increase sympathy and add to the numbers.

    Poolman I’d agree with you but the Oakland OWS gave up the mantle of non-violent protest when the first rock or bottle was thrown.

    They need discipline. Without it, they are lost.

  138. Poolman, call me a lazy f*ck but the worst way to teach me the ways of a truther is to offer me a 60 minute video. My short time on this Earth is too precious for that kind of time commitment.

    Well okay. It’s 55 minutes. They have it broken into 5 parts also available, but how many would watch the rest? Besides, I have offered much shorter video “proofs” in the past. I just thought that all these Harvard, Yale, and MIT folks might offer some enlightenment. I don’t have any of these letters after my name. 😉

    Regarding your short time on earth. Agreed. But I would much rather that short time on earth not end up a waste. At least for me. If there was a chance that most of my living was based on lies, I don’t think I’d feel satisfied with it, if and when I found out.

    So at the risk of sounding like a bastard, let me just say this. Americans spend literally years of their lives watching entertainment on TV and elsewhere that has absolutely no redeeming value. None. Just for fun. Shits and giggles. We play politics and argue with each other over mostly trivial bullshit.

    Taking an hour to watch scientists and engineers present their data and theories as to why the events of 9/11 do not fit the official story, seems like some time well spent.

    But that’s me. I am accountable for how I spend my time and have lived the “I wish I did…”, and “if only…”

  139. As far as the Oakland protesters attacking police, I did not see any of that. There was some cursing. I’m assuming you watched the video at 38.

    But look at this. The downed person is the veteran who was hospitalized from a head injury inflicted by the cops. Look what one cop did when people went to try to help him.

    Even your ex-buddy KO did a segment on the incident that I caught as it was linked to another site I frequent. This is getting Kent State worthy and will not do anything to quash the movement.

  140. Huck @ 160

    Ennahda is a bad transliteration of Hizb al-Nahdah. Rashid al-Ghannushi founded Ennahda and is still its leader but Hamadi Jebali is the Secretary General and spokesman for the organization.

    There are plenty of folks- Arab secularists mostly- who say that the lip service Ennahda plays to the Western press does not match the parties position in the mosques. In this forum, I don’t know. I don’t have confidence that Islamist positions can or will be moderated to the point that they will still be acceptable to US and Western values. As for violence, the party has a history of it, though arguably it has not been violent for many years. For me, that’s not the issue, the issue is that their ideology is sympathetic to violent extremists, so will they help, or just as bad, do nothing to stop these terrorist groups?

  141. As I said, violence is inevitable with OWS. It is so misguided it has nowhere else to go. The mob will provoke with flames fanned by R’s liberal friends. This administration again proves its incompetence trying to capitalize on something that is ultimately anti establishment and seeks to create chaos. It has no other real objective as much as the MSNBC crowd seeks to supply one for it.

    The Crazy Larry tactic is loathsome. I’m glad it backfired as usual. He’s a mental midget, instigator, and total pussy.

    R, you’ll regret getting behind OWS.

  142. Not for nothing Tex, but being crucified on a wooden cross is not the same as being hung from a tree.

    Rutherford, you are technically now on par with Yellow Dawg. No where does it say anything about being “hung” moron.

    Here maroon: from a quote by the Roman Philosopher Lucius Annaeus Seneca. 🙄

    From Seneca we have this quotation, which is one of the most unique descriptions of a crucifixion in non-Biblical literature:

    Can anyone be found who would prefer wasting away in pain dying limb by limb, or letting out his life drop by drop, rather than expiring once for all? Can any man by found willing to be fastened to the accursed tree, long sickly, already deformed, swelling with ugly wounds on shoulders and chest, and drawing the breath of life amid long drawn-out agony? He would have many excuses for dying even before mounting the cross (Dialogue 3:2.2).

    You are as thick as a tree stump.

  143. Poolman, that video was actually pretty entertaining – and I’m not sure I disagree about Enid, OK, either – except it’s a pretty large city by Oklahoma standards – 45,000 people is hardly a phone system with one digit.

    Of course, Bill Hicks was also a complete buffoon and screw up, who took such great care of himself, he died at 32.

  144. The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man’s judgment:

    (1st Corinthians 2:14 and 15)

    It does not matter how many discrepancies are contained in scripture. It does not matter how much studying of the words one does. It does not matter how much worldly intelligence one has. Look at the Pharisees, they had all the scripture memorized and knew all the proper rituals, yet they never did understand or know God.

    It is a heart open to God that He honors and speaks to. Otherwise we can pick the Bible apart from end to end, it is full of inconsistencies. It was written by many men and translated over time. What we have today is just a glimmer of the truth. God is still here to enlighten us. Quit worshiping a book!

  145. Poolman, 🙄

    With all undue respect, let me be very clear – something you obviously have a lifetime problem with.

    That verse does not mean “hung” by the neck dummy – and that is exactly Rutherford’s understanding which he made clear in his illiterate analogy, and your commentary on par with Rutherford’s. Hung on a tree in this context means crucifixion, as I just demonstrated not from the Bible, but from Roman history above. I doubt you have a clue to the significance of the verse itself.

    But then again, I forget I’m trying to explain to an imbecile that believes Netanyahu and Iran are a cabal.

    Please read this Pontius….

    JEWISH PRACTICE

    Although the Jews never practiced crucifixion as a means of capital punishment (except during a brief interval during the Hellenistic-Hasmonean Period), they did have a similar custom for expressing a high degree of contempt for undesirable persons. After a criminal had been put to death by some other means (i.e., the sword, stoning, etc.), the dead body would be strung up on a tree as a symbol of shame and dishonor. This public exposure gave the people an opportunity to express their venomous hatred for such a despicable criminal as they hurled their insults and mockery at the strung-up victim.

    Earl Kalland, commenting on the law regarding Israel’s practice of hanging a condemned person on a tree (Deuteronomy 21:22-23) makes the following observation:

    Hanging the body exhibited the person to public humiliation. The criminal was under the curse of God… the judgment that takes a person’s life out of the covenant community as a perpetrator of the worst kind of sin and displays that judgment by the humiliation of hanging his body in public shows that that person is under God’s curse.

    http://www.solagroup.org/articles/understandingthebible/utb_0009.html

  146. With all undue respect, how are these layman supposed to accept that? Hung is hung, whether by nail or rope.

    Just like the Gospels claim in one instance that Judas “fell headlong into the field” and in another “hung himself by the neck”. These inconsistencies don’t bother a spiritual believer or churched person, but stand out like sore thumbs to the nonchurched folk.

    Plenty of the Bible is steeped in tradition that we are not familiar with today. That and all the Jewish customs and Talmudic additions clutter the Bible with unimportant data not necessary for any believer to memorize. Too many “believers” worship the book, not the God of it.

  147. Bill Hicks died of pancreatic cancer. Did he take care of himself? Probably not. Though he did quit drugs, drinking, and cigarettes in his last years.

    Plenty of entertainers, and especially comedians and rock stars live very unhealthy lives. The list is big and includes names like John Belushi and John Candy,

  148. I’m so sick of the left using individuals who served in the military as pawns in some politically warped gotcha game. They’ve been doing it since Vietnam.

    There are all kinds of people in the military.

    As a whole, they lean right, particularly officers. Most enlisted are apolitical.

    But liberal weenies, do your self a fucking favor, if you have some pet veteran you are parading around, nobody gives a shit.

    There are many weirdos, gang members and outcasts in uniform. Some of the most strange ranger motherfuckers I ever met were in the service.

  149. Poolman,

    You have now left me no doubt that you are not only slow, but an apostate. You’re not even really worthy of a rebuke, and as far as these discussions go about Christianity, I’m done with you. I’ll leave this last message as a warning for help, in the hope you might pull your micro sized mind and small abilities out of the muck. You obviously have some physical ailment, as you apparently live here without sleep.

    I do not worship sheets of paper. I worship the message within those sheets of paper. My relationship is with a real person named Jesus, whom I consider the physical manifestation of God. The only way I know of God is of His Divine Majesty of nature and what I can read of His message transcribed for all of man. If you consider that some form of corrugated or pulp worship, who am I to argue with a loon?

    I have no so called divine revelation, and consider your wild claims a mild form of lunacy, dementia, madness, fool’s gold, or some deep seated mental illness from which you may never recover.

    From your wild stories of magic healings, to your shallow knowledge of scripture, to your appeasing and actively rooting for Israel’s demise, I am ashamed you call yourself Christian. It is people like you that have made a mockery of my faith most effectively. You are a liability to the cause – and the worst form of deceiver. You are not my brother. IMO, you are the blog equivalent of a pandering TV Evangelist and snake handler – a disgrace to the Names of God, making God IMO some akin to a good luck charm.

    If I am mistaken, you are at best a child’s wisdom.

    It is a heart open to God that He honors and speaks to. Otherwise we can pick the Bible apart from end to end, it is full of inconsistencies. It was written by many men and translated over time. What we have today is just a glimmer of the truth. God is still here to enlighten us. Quit worshiping a book!

    There are no inconsistencies, except in your own personal story of salvation. The Bible is never translated over time – the translations always go to the first source as reference. And you better think long and hard about that last statement, lest you think you have better understanding than Christ’s closest confidant on earth, John. Are you such a simpleton, that you don’t know we could reconstruct virtually the entire New Testament from eye witness writings and 2nd generation historical writings without so much as a New Testament record? That is how documented the Word of God is. There is no source like the Bible. It has been more scrutinized, more verified, more vilified, and more printed by far than any “book” of history. And still it stands as written. There are no inconsistencies, no mistakes. That you don’t understand is not the shortcoming of the Bible, but your own personal vast shortcomings.

    ———-

    From one of the most beautiful and poignant scriptures in the Bible. Read this and understand well. Because without it, you’re cooked.

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

    That Bible you tell me not to worship is the very word of God. Not the physical paper – the message. Nothing has been mistranslated or misconstrued. The message is clear. And equally clear to me is that you are one of the most deceived people I have ever met. Hopefully, my own shortcoming of a big mouth and ridicule has not added to that deceitful hate you spew. But you’re so offensive to me in your claims, it’s a weakness on my own behalf that I must make a point. If I were smarter and more grounded myself, I would ignore you.

    And so we are perfectly clear and Rutherford doesn’t confuse himself once again like 5 year old, you can burn your Bible and it will not bother me a bit. It’s paper. But don’t you dare call yourself a Christian, then turn around and criticize the very message as some concocted bunch of inconsistent hocus pocus.

    You do exactly what the Pharisees of Christ day did, only not nearly as effectively.

  150. Poolman, let me make a simple example that maybe even you might understand.

    The Word makes reference to Christ as “rock”, “fortress”, “living water”, and a host of other descriptions. Am I to believe Christ is a statue, or a stream?

    What is it that you and apparently Rutherford can’t understand that the time and constructs of Aramaic linguistics and dialect?

  151. I never said the Bible was hocus pocus. I said it contained many inconsistencies. They are well-documented. A quick internet search will bring up hundreds of studies, some with over a thousand discrepancies. I subscribe to much less than that, but still many do exist. Quantities, events, dates – many different from one account to the next.

    No, I do not believe the Bible the inerrant word of God, as fundamentalists do. I do believe it contains “God-breathed” scripture and leads us to an understanding and knowledge of God. But I also believe what the Bible tells me about ALL scripture. That being, unless God reveals it to you through the Holy Spirit, you aren’t getting it. The Holy Spirit is like a decoder.

    Here are some examples I personally don’t think are inconsistent, if you know “life” means eternal life:

    The righteous perish, and no one ponders it in his heart; devout men are taken away, and no one understands that the righteous are taken away to be spared from evil. (Isaiah 57:1)

    The truly righteous man attains life, but he who pursues evil goes to his death. (Proverbs 11:19)

    That is inconsistent to a non believer. Life to them is life. Righteous is obviously righteous. Yet one attains life in one statement and perishes in the other.

    But real inconsistencies exist. Beyond symbolism and allegory, like the headcount of the same event in Ezra 2:3 and Nehemiah 7:8 are vastly different. And how many angels and women were at to the empty tomb?

    So yes, an honest assessment will show it is not 100% accurate and infallible. Does that take anything away from God? Of course not.

  152. Rutherford, you are technically now on par with Yellow Dawg. No where does it say anything about being “hung” moron.

    Tex you DO enjoy playing the ass don’t you? Since once again you prove your credentials as a graduate of the Rick Perry School of Debate, let me help you.

    I was not making a biblical argument, Pastor, I was making a semantic one. Quite frankly I haven’t the foggiest idea what the Bible says about how Christ was crucified. All I know is from pop culture accounts. I was responding to the following exchange between you and Huck:

    Plus, If I boned up on the Bible, I’d find more inconsistencies like whether or not Jesus was hung from a tree or crucified on the cross — Huck

    To which you oddly replied:

    What do you think the cross was made of? Cement? A Roman Pillar? Bronze? — Tex

    Your implication was that being hung from a tree was entirely equivalent to being nailed to a cross. Hence my comment about the tree stump. Does that help you at all?

    Your problem Tex is once you get consumed with the holy whatever, your ability to argue reasonably flies right out the window.

    And while we’re at it, ordinary Joe’s like me see “turn the other cheek” and “eye for an eye” and see an inconsistency. It’s one of many in a book that was written over a course of years by several authors. Perhaps Biblical scholars such as yourself can resolve each of these inconsistencies to the extent that you can claim none of them exist. Please have patience with us amateurs whose ability to grok the Great Book does not match yours.

    P.S. Yes, I’m being snarky because today for some odd reason I don’t feel like being called a moron.

  153. You don’t even recognize the Old Testament scripture from the New Testament scripture, even when Christ makes comparison. I suppose you and the charlatan think Christ was inconsistent too?

    But I really hope you’re not dumb enough to listen to Poolman about apologetics. His one example about Ezra has been explained so many times which I have answered here more than once, I’m not going to bother further. Then I skipped the rest,as I should all his posts. Add to the fact, if Poolman really believes there are inconsistencies, then heaven knows why he would put faith in a word he feels so error filled – which is the only way we could possibly find instruction to place our faith. Why could you possibly have any confidence in that? If you had a math book that was inconsistent would you use it for teaching and instruction? The sap is a total fraud, and this matches the logic of his Simpson subliminal messages.

    Yes, I think Poolman a joke, make that I know he is a joke, and I am beginning to think you’re walking perilously close to riding with him. More, I would question why the charlatan’s real purpose seems to find fault with the very scripture that he preaches. It’s kind of like his “love” of man and pacifist nature, as he strolls down to the biggest abortion provider in America for his health care. You want to talk about inconsistencies of a personal nature? The man hates country and God, and obviously is as troubled as these stooges down at OWS. And you side with him.

    If I’m from the Rick Perry school of debate, you would qualify for the Joy Behar school of debate. I can’t debate you about religion, because you don’t know enough to debate, I don’t care how arrogant that sounds. You’ve admitted as much yourself, so why in the world would you even broach the subject? So why don’t you get a few more goddams and be done with it?

  154. But again I say unto you Tex — on the point where you attacked me, I wasn’t engaging in Biblical debate, I was discussing semantics. And I was responding to Huck’s comments, not Poolman’s.

    As far as Poolman is concerned, let me ask you a question Tex. Should a man who believes Christ to be our savior, and who strives to develop a relationship with God on a spiritual level but does not tie his faith to a literal interpretation of scripture be disqualified as a Christian?

    I also got the sense that you dismiss Poolman’s assertion that he’s seen cures through the miracle of prayer. I don’t understand how any devout Christian would doubt Poolman’s assertion. Either prayer leads to good outcomes or it doesn’t. OR is prayer really to comfort the person praying vs the person being prayed for?

    Tex, you’re one of the smartest guys on this blog and I say that without a hint of sarcasm. You’re particularly well versed in the sciences. Frankly, I think the whole science/religion dichotomy tears you up inside.

    I’d say, and I know I’ll be smacked big time for this, it is much easier for a lawyer to be devout than a scientist. Law cannot be divorced from morality and what area of our lives is more concerned with morality than organized religion?

  155. Poolman, I would highly recommend you watch Scorsese’s documentary about George Harrison that is playing on HBO. Harrison was an incredibly spiritual man who believed that religious people who have not EXPERIENCED God are pretty much faking it. He tried to connect using mantras, meditation and a wee bit of LSD. It’s an interesting story.

  156. Speaking of LSD, I’ve seen a couple of references to it in the past week or so, first relating to George Harrison and second related to Steve Jobs.

    There seems to be a nostalgia brewing about the benefits of limited LSD usage. So the question is was Joe Friday right that it was a scourge? (This clip unfortunately leaves out the classic line “I am the chair, I am the chair.”)

  157. I’m so sick of the left using individuals who served in the military as pawns in some politically warped gotcha game. They’ve been doing it since Vietnam.

    Rabbit, I see where you’re coming from but it’s hardly exclusively left. The right ALWAYS holds up the military as this sacrosanct part of American society. Sarah Palin would throw in references to our “men in uniform” at times that didn’t even make sense just to get an applause line.

    Just last night Republican strategist Ron Christie was on Bill Maher criticizing Obama for putting “our soldiers in harm’s way” in Libya without a clear objective. Christie had to be reminded not a single American life was lost, and based on our “leading from behind” none was ever really at risk either.

    So I would suggest to you that the military is always a political pawn in America regardless of which side of the aisle is moving the chess piece.

    Let me ask you a question. From your perspective, having served in a non-draft time in America, did you see more folks who were truly patriotic or more folks who knew they could make it better in the military than in civilian life?

  158. Jesus Christ is totally consistent, beginning, now, and forever. No problem there. And God, the Father – ditto. Holy Spirit – check.

    if Poolman really believes there are inconsistencies, then heaven knows why he would put faith in a word he feels so error filled

    My faith is in Christ and God the Father. Jesus IS the Word. Through Him ALL things were created. I don’t place faith in any book. The whole “book” contains some of His Word, not all, and not everything in there is accurate, including much of the historical OT timeline.

    The Word is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword. You should not interchange the Word and the Bible like you can the Word and the Lord, though many do. We are told He will “put His laws in our hearts” and “write them in our minds.””

    Since God cannot lie, some humanity must have crept in somewhere between time and translation, rendering some information in the Bible fallible. Sorry. That’s a fact. I know that messes with a lot of various denomination’s theology, but they must adhere to truth for truth’s sake.

    – which is the only way we could possibly find instruction to place our faith.

    You cannot limit learning or the revealing of God to the Bible. We are told EVERYTHING – all of creation testifies to God. How did the wise men find Jesus? They were searching the heavens, mapping the stars and planets. Besides:

    Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written. (John 21:25)

  159. Rutherford, anybody that has listened to Harrison’s lyrics and other writings, knows he was an intense seeker of truth. Everyone who knew him said he was a peaceful and compassionate man.

    I never heard him confess Jesus, but I never heard him say anything derogatory toward him, either. It will be interesting to see who “makes” it. I am not the judge. Jesus is the gate. I don’t know who He will let in or not. He alone knows our hearts. He alone knows His sheep.

  160. Rutherford,
    Without a doubt this is one of the most interesting blogs I have ever run across. When all else fails, the comments fall back on religion which I gather is not your forte’ but you allow whatever floats their boat! I admire you! 😉

  161. “From your perspective, having served in a non-draft time in America, did you see more folks who were truly patriotic or more folks who knew they could make it better in the military than in civilian life?”-R

    I come from this with strictly an enlisted perspective, as the motivations of officers may be different. Also, I joined when I was living in my car. The Navy literally took me right off the street, to the point of knocking on the station wagon window. So, I suppose anything I say should be taken with a grain of salt.

    Despite the GI Bill and the pay check (and for me getting off the street), I truly believe most people join for reasons outside of material things. Honor is the driving force. Honor doesn’t necessarily entail love of country. More like personal or family honor. After I made through boot camp, I was still only 17. Yet, I remember a feeling that all my sins have been washed away. I had restored honor to my last name. The point is, may of us had something to prove or had some flaw. So, within that demographic, there should be no surprise you get a few strange rangers.

    Lastly, I’m not sure why this happens. Perhaps we are just young when we join, or maybe its learned. But, the comradeship in the military is hard to put in words. The military, when it comes down to it, is very tribal. You are surrounded by brothers. The whole patriotic part of it almost seems to kick in after you get out.

    Maybe you would be best served asking Gorilla these questions, as he has served in a combat zone. I don’t claim to speak for Veterans.

  162. Speaking of acid and/or mushrooms, I’ve probably tripped on that stuff 50 times when I was young.

    Each time became less enjoyable and more nightmarish.

    This is disgusting, but I once took 7 hits of acid at one time. Us dumb ass kids went to a concert and took 3 hits. Some of us decided it wasn’t working and we bought 4 more hits each. Come to find out the original 3 hits were real.

    I saw horns grow out of my brothers head. I had to rock him like a baby as he wept for 12 hours.

    Want to know something else fucked up? I don’t think I have a high-school diploma. I know I was short a credit and didn’t receive a diploma at the time. When I got out of the service, I went to community college. They asked for my high school transcripts but I just completely ignored it. The admissions process just went on as if I turned it in. I have some total bull shit Masters degree now. But, I always wonder, what would they do at work if they found out I never graduated high school?

  163. Frankly, I think the whole science/religion dichotomy tears you up inside.

    Rutherford, why is it you assume there is truly a dichotomy? If you look at the history of science, you’d see that the ultimate goal was to discover truth, as is the root of Christianity (yes, I expect you to protest this, but if you think through the epistomology, you can see that you shouldn’t be as offended as you likely are), and that science has been hijacked by people who consciously decided that it was about the pursuit of truth [unless that truth brings them face-to-face with God], and mock other people’s faith while stubbornly clinging to the idea that “someday” they will find the missing proof of what they stubobbornly insist is truth, and which they will go so far as to persecute those who question their dogma.

  164. I can’t put my finger on why I find Bill Whittle so obnoxious

    Whittle Bill is cut from the same cloth as Breitbart. They work sometimes as a team. Whittle is way more suave. (Read: silver-tongued salesmanesk.)

    He is a screenwriter, editor, and director. He is very unapologetically raunch right wing. To me, he comes off as arrogant and a royal smart-ass. I could live with that. Plenty of media personas today have that same air about them. He talks down to us, which many do also. But Bill’s all about the spin. I would much rather watch Bill O’Reilly, even if presenting the same argument.

    Much like the video posted here, he MANipulates™ the data and clearly blames Obama and Democrats for everything wrong with the country. He doesn’t offer a solution, merely points out the so-called “solution” of the left and how ridiculous it is.

    I don’t think the left has a solution, however, and the offered “solution” is ridiculous, whether a real proposal or merely hearsay.

    Once again, if they (GOP) were really looking for a solution to this crisis, Ron Paul has the best game plan. The Fed is the biggest problem and Whittle doesn’t even offer it in the mix. And the “eat the rich” meme with the bloody money visual is intentionally emotionally charged.

    Like I said before, the right just wants to drive. They’ve offered no solutions. The GOP will be useful until the entire “republic” is in private corporate control from which we will be unable to divorce ourselves. That scenerio is very close right now.

  165. Just finished watching “On Native Soil” on DVD with my better half. It’s a documentary about the 9/11 commission report from 2005 or so. Poolman, no one after watching this film needs to be a truther. Know why? Because the truth as presented in this film and acknowledged by our government is f*cked up enough that you don’t need any conspiracy theories.

    9/11 was an example of widespread gross incompetence. I recommend the film to anyone with an interest. I didn’t find it overly partisan as it lays as much blame if not more on the Clinton admin as it does on the Bush admin. Good film … depressing as hell. 😦

  166. Raji, thanks for the compliment. This place has been called the neighborhood pub at times since we all gather here to discuss sex, politics and religion and do spit-takes on our keyboards. 🙂

  167. Actually BiW I would NOT take issue with the notion that religious people are in search of the truth. In that way, many of them do share a common trait with scientists. Maybe that is why some (perhaps most) scientists are able to be religious.

    I still think it’s easier for lawyers. 🙂

  168. Rabbit you actually said something that I’ve heard in the past few weeks, namely that acid trips are cool the first one or two times but then they get a bit scary. George Harrison for example didn’t regret dropping acid but said he had to stop cos it stopped achieving the purpose he wanted from it (i.e. mind expansion).

  169. Dropping acid is a powerful experience, no doubt.

    Basically, you become detached from yourself. This renders epic subjects like humanity or time seem much more comprehensible.

    However, it ranks nowhere near the birth of my son.

    Or, sitting dead sober in a deer blind in complete silence as the sun rises.

    Acid is a dangerous, but effective way for immature jerks to see past their own shadow.

  170. So I just love how there is no symbolism, allegory, or contradiction in the Bible, yet we have snakes that have conversations with people, eatable food that rains down from the sky, and wooden crosses occasionally being referred to as “trees.”

    And we’re the dummies for not buying that….

  171. we have snakes that have conversations with people, eatable food that rains down from the sky, and wooden crosses occasionally being referred to as “trees.”

    You’ve only scratched the surface, dude.

    What about a person turning to a pillar of salt, various giants and assorted “mixed” breeds, and even UFOs?

    Oh, that talking serpent? Not such a big deal. All the animals could communicate with Adam in the day.

    The easiest part to explain is the tree/cross connection.

    And these are all things I believe to be true.

  172. Poolman, no one after watching this film needs to be a truther. Know why? Because the truth as presented in this film and acknowledged by our government is f*cked up enough that you don’t need any conspiracy theories.

    I haven’t seen it. It might be interesting to check out. Did it talk to any of the actual commissioners that have said publicly the whole report was a sham with a predetermined conclusion and that they know they were deliberately misled and lied to?

    Even still to this day, nobody has been fired, reprimanded, demoted, fined, or imprisoned for what turns out to be the biggest f**k up by our “defense” system ever. Add to that most of the pertinent evidence and documents that haven’t already been destroyed are still classified and being withheld despite FOIA requests.

  173. Just last night Republican strategist Ron Christie was on Bill Maher criticizing Obama for putting “our soldiers in harm’s way” in Libya without a clear objective. Christie had to be reminded not a single American life was lost, and based on our “leading from behind” none was ever really at risk either. ‘ – R

    Just because a life was not lost, does not mean it was put in harms way.

    And yes, they were at risk. Military operations are dangerous. Out side of conflict, training kills lots of people. Launching and recovering to an aircraft carrier is an inherently dangerous act. Handling explosive ordnance is an inherently dangerous act. Just because we’re good at it doesn’t remove the inherent danger of it.

    Secondly, that’s a complete fucking cop-out from the original question: what was the clear objective of Libya? Was it regime change or humanitarian? Who are the rebels? What do they want? Is it in our interest? Maher constantly demonstrates his intellectual dishonesty, this just being another case in point.

  174. DR, I think you called it perfectly. It is about self purification to a degree. And we are tribal: Navy fucks with the Marines and vice versa all the time, until an Army guy chimes in, then its Navy/Marine Corps fucking with Army. And Air Force, or as I still call them, the Army Air Corps, they get fucked with by everyone. But at the end of the day, any non-Veteran picking on a vet is in for a very bad day. We are tribal.

    DR, did you go through Great Mistakes as well or were you lucky enough to go to San Diego? What was your rate?

  175. I went to Great Lakes. I left for bootcamp the day I joined. I don’t think that would ever happen anymore. I was 3 weeks into it before I realized what I have done!

    I joined the Detroit Tiger Company. Apparently, since WW2, a company a year is made up with all people from Detroit. We marched with the Old English D flag instead of a company number. I was one of maybe 7 white guys out of 70.

    My rate was a little known job called Ocean Systems Tech Analyst. (OTA). We tracked submarines.

    It later combined with sonar techs.

    In Iceland, I was attached to a ground defense force where we trained for World War 3. I would spend a week out in the field at a time which to me felt like 3 months.

  176. As for the Euro bail out, I don’t get what a “voluntary” hair cut by bond holders means?

    Supposedly, this “voluntary” shit prevents the triggering of credit default swaps (which would cause and instant global recession).

    I smell a rat. Or at least the day long rumor of one. I’m shorting the S&P this week. My first big move in a couple months.

  177. Even still to this day, nobody has been fired, reprimanded, demoted, fined, or imprisoned for what turns out to be the biggest f**k up by our “defense” system ever.

    Poolman, yes, the film did go into this, especially in the special features on the DVD where there is section devoted to accountability. Max Cleland was the most vocal about our role in the tragedy. A guy from the FBI was the biggest schmuck, suggesting the American people were too complacent and didn’t demand better defense from their government.

  178. R, my parents called the recruiters and told them about my situation.

    But yeah, they took me to my parents house for my parent’s signature.

    I also had already taken the ASVAB and a physical a few months back.

  179. So here we have an interesting question my mostly conservative friends. The media is dredging up a sexual harassment story on Herman Cain.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67194.html

    Should this be divorced from race? Of all the things they could pull out of his past, they go for the sexually predatory black man story (ala Clarence Thomas — who I know most of you think got a raw deal).

    It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I’m skeptical about the whole story. My “radio” co-host suspects this tidbit was leaked to the press by either the Romney or Perry campaign.

    Personally I hope Cain survives this. I’d like to see him go down on the weakness of his ideas, not on some damn sex scandal.

  180. I’m not sure it’s based on race. Many a white guy has been targeted with sex, so I see this as an effective tool against the front runner. Whether it works or not, we’ll see.

  181. I was a West coast sailor. Radioman, which was later merged with Information Technicians. I went to Great Lakes in September, which meant I left in December. December is a really shitty time to be in the Great Lakes region. Went to ‘A’ school in San Diego and then spent about four years on an air craft carrier. Two WestPacs (Western Pacific and Persian Gulf cruise), a RIMPAC (Rim of the Pacific Cruise) and a yard (ship refurbishment) later, I had essentially- distance wise- been around the world…twice. Spent a year in the Middle East before going to Hawaii.

  182. It’s not a race issue R. This is the norm for all candidates.

    At least he’s not accused of getting a bj from a subordinate at work. Then you’d forced to run to his defense. 😆

  183. Incidentally, I fully understand Cain’s response/lack of familiarity response. These types of allegations are regular business in organizations of any size, but the larger the more prevalent. These claims = $$ to the accusers and are a way to exact revenge from someone they perceive isn’t treating them as they would like to be treated. So common it’s a cost of business for many large companies. Perhaps he did something wrong, but remain skeptical. There are often payoffs to avoid the costs of contending with the false allegations. Another business/legal decision that is frequently made.

  184. I can’t put my finger on why I find Bill Whittle so obnoxious. I’ll have to think about it some more.

    For the same reasons you and the buffoon find Ann Coulter obnoxious. They have a very efficient way of explaining history, exposing your ilk as weak liars, wrongheaded and rank propagandists – all the while very effectively making fun of you.

    It’s called being clever.

    And I’ve noted never once have you been able to confront their arguments.

  185. Wow. I just read the Politco article attacking Cain. What a piece of shit. True or not, anyone with one ounce of critical thought would be disgusted with the level of bias and unfounded innuendo. I really hope this backfires. This shit doesn’t even meet tabloid standards of reporting.

  186. G, I played an excerpt of that Huntsman ad on my “radio” show last night. With the wild flip-flops, it’s no wonder conservatives are having trouble getting behind Romney.

  187. Tigre re: 286,

    We got all kinds here in Arizona. There are numerous “militias”. JT seems pretty level-headed. I don’t think he’s a part of the Russel Pearce crowd.

    And I’ve noted never once have you been able to confront their arguments.

    I don’t care how well his production and verbal skills are. If his premise doesn’t support his conclusion or if the very premise is false, what’s the point?. It’s fruitless to debate his straw man rhetoric.

    Take the last offering. His math skills and data appear factual. Visuals and narrative were top notch. However, who is on the other side of his argument?

    Put Whittle Bill in a debate with a real person. It would be interesting to see if he comes off as polished in a more spontaneous forum.

  188. At least he’s not accused of getting a bj from a subordinate at work. Then you’d forced to run to his defense. 😆

    At this point I’m already in a defensive mode regarding this issue. At the risk of pissing off my female readers (all 2 of them), it sounds to me like the two women in question are whores. They obviously were not so outraged by Cain’s behavior that their silence couldn’t be bought. Perhaps as more details emerge, I’ll change my mind but I’m just not impressed by “harassed” women who take a payoff.

  189. I’d like to chime in on a number of comments.
    Re military enlistment. I personally encountered a diverse group of folks who had a variety of reasons for joining. The one common thread I found was that no matter the recruits background,reasons etc they all had a base that there was something right about the military. I can also echo the the comments on the bonds.

  190. Tigre, the Politico article bothered me as well … it just smells like a political take-down … I really want to know if someone attached to Romney or Perry fed them this stuff.

    What troubles me though is that, if Politico is to be believed, the Cain campaign had 10 days warning on this article and did no damage control. What do you think is going on there?

  191. People are to quick to embrace sound bites and allow them to be the be all end all. Look deeper into any one of the Romney flip flops and you see nothing that is really egregious.

  192. I’m a little lost on some folks position on the Cain affair. Does it really matter where the leak came from? Although I agree that way too many cases are weak at best isn’t there a reason to expect more of a response from the Cain camp?
    I’m with Rove on this. Cain is the one that can slay this line of scrutiny and until he does it speaks ill of Cains character and ability.

  193. Alfie aren’t you giving Romney a bit of a pass on the pro-life flip flop? Granted, anyone has a right to change their opinion but then shouldn’t he describe why his opinion changed?

    From what I understand, he based his original pro-choice stance on a back-alley botched abortion that killed someone he knew. That’s pretty dramatic and would take a major event to make him change his mind. So why the change?

    I do agree with you that some of the flip flops are overblown. For example, last week’s Ohio bill flip flop was really no flip flop at all. He never said he was against Kasich’s bill. So when he said he was 110% for it, how was that a flip flop?

  194. I don’t care how well his production and verbal skills are. If his premise doesn’t support his conclusion or if the very premise is false, what’s the point?. It’s fruitless to debate his straw man rhetoric. ” – The Puddle of Piss

    Someone must have dropped a mirror in front of the urinal…

  195. “I’ll change my mind but I’m just not impressed by “harassed” women who take a payoff.”

    I wondered whether there was even a “payoff.” What was described sounded like garden variety severance payment/agreements for laid-off workers. The purpose is to terminate the relationships without after-the-fact accusations. “Five figures” for professionals represents nothing ($10k being the floor). Had the accusations been made up front in anticipation of being let go, that’s all I need to know. It is a common tactic in large companies to extract a larger severance.

    The ten day thing I don’t get unless they tenor of the piece wasn’t made apparent. Remember too, there are legal issues that have to be considered,/addressed/researched in terms of what might constitute permissible disclosure from Cain.

    Frankly,after reading a four-page story on this don;t you think we ought to have a better idea of alleged “harassment” occurred. Non explicit gestures?? Invitation to his suite at a convention/seminar? WTF??

    All I know is that the Politco article if proved false should be near actionable defamation. I just hate the denials and uncertainty offered as proof of guilt thing.

    This is looking Thomas, or worse. Remember the McCain accusations?

  196. Put Whittle Bill in a debate with a real person. It would be interesting to see if he comes off as polished in a more spontaneous forum.

    Amongst other things charlatan and mortgage cheat, Bill Whittle is a professional speaker. He would rip you and yours a new asshole in a debate. But then ripping you one, wouldn’t be a hide worth hanging on the wall.

    False premise…. 😆

  197. Actually all of his “pro-choice” comments I’ve seen presented the line in the sand between personal and political. I get that a lot of people cannot accept that a (R) from Mass. has to have positions they disagree with.
    His position is clear imo if you look at the full comment and context thereof.

    That’s pretty dramatic and would take a major event to make him change his mind. So why the change?
    Well regards that specific incident the money quote from 1994 is

    Romney disclosed that he became committed to legalized abortion after a relative died during an illegal abortion. The disclosure came after Romney, who said he is personally opposed to abortion, was asked to reconcile his beliefs with his political support for abortion rights. “It is since that time that my family will not force our beliefs on that matter,” He said the abortion made him see “that regardless of one’s beliefs about choice, you would hope it would be safe and legal.”

    (emphasis mine)
    For good or bad there also does indeed appear to be a galvanizing political moment used by both Romney and those that oppose him. It involves the time when cloning was a hot issue in the Bay State. I didn’t see this as much of a change as a point at which Romney escalated his pro-life position.Again this is pretty well defined though.

  198. “Cain is the one that can slay this line of scrutiny and until he does it speaks ill of Cains character and ability”

    Yes it does m– and it shouldn’t. Those that are new to the media game can easily be dragged down by a lack of savvy in the virtually immediate responses required to fend these things off. Does Cain have a PR outfit equipped to handle this type of stuff? I doubt it.

  199. The Obamas must be the most pretentious and shameless people on earth. And I thought the Clinton’s were shameless. Mere pikers compared to this pathetic couple. I’m more convinced by the day, Michelle Obama may be one of the biggest bitches on earth, and one of the most stupid. What a disgrace for a “First Lady.” A pox on America for letting these hacks even on the grounds of the White House.

    Perhaps that explains the shameless and bullying nature of the woman. Too dumb to even recognize it. She needs a take down in the worst way.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/oct/30/curl-the-very-angry-first-lady/?page=all#pagebreak

  200. El Tigre,I agree with what you’re saying and I personally think any case against him is extremely weak at best given a payout of between 10-90k for it.
    I just think he needs to stay in front and that

    “the story is not true. Bring me some facts. Bring me the accuser.”

    doesn’t serve him well.
    I’ll be up front I will not support Cain in any way shape or form but this doesn’t have much to do about that.

  201. Whittle Bill’s video has another critic who makes my point.

    …the point is, Bill Whittle completely fabricated his version of what Moore said, and then spouted a bunch of meaningless drivel to back up his point. Of course, he earlier derided liberals saying “statistics, that is to say, data, that is to say, evidence, is usually fatal to the liberal worldview”. Perhaps, but it’s hard to tell when the data and evidence and statistics he cites have nothing whatsoever to do with the fact cited.

    http://blog.cowboyinbrla.com/?p=555

    Oh and Magilla, you might want to clean that mirror off before you apply your liner.

  202. I am not a Cain supporter either. But why RA do you think it more likely came from Perry/Romney than the left? Too soon? This is typical divide-and-conquer-looking smear strategy imo.

  203. Curl is an assh*le and his piece is fit to wipe my ass with.

    Hey Tex, go to a f*cking web site or open a newspaper and deal with the actual news of the day rather than a hit piece on Michele Obama. What say you about Cain?

  204. Alfie, maybe I’m thick but I still don’t get the Romney abortion position. I understand (and applaud) someone saying they wouldn’t impose their personal view as legislation but Romney isn’t saying that anymore. He’s called for Roe v Wade to be overturned.

  205. Tigre, obviously it’s hard to tell where the Cain as perv stuff is coming from. I think the lib media finds Cain a punchline so I don’t see the need for them to try and unseat him. Romney and Perry on the other hand see Cain hovering at the top a bit longer than other flavors of the month and they may be getting nervous.

    BTW, by Romney and Perry, I mean their handlers, not them individually.

  206. Could this be Perry’s Howard Dean “Yeeeehaaaa” moment? Hard to tell if it’s a speech or a comedy routine. I think old Rick may have had a drink or two to loosen up before this speech. (At about 4:15 he does his Paul Lynde impersonation.)

    I’m giving you a longer excerpt to be fair. The seven minute excerpt makes him look less like an idiot than the 3 minute version I could’ve posted.

  207. Re No. 311, what this looks like to me is an attempt to be “likeable” and easy going. Looking he is “having fun” has served Cain well, and I’ll wager it is Perry’s insincere attempt to appear the same in that regard. But, since it’s insincere, it comes off as goofy and incoherent. Perry’s done. I don’t think his persona is capable of rehabilitation.

    Now, if I were on the left I’d take crack at tearing down Cain for the same reasons that Perry might be trying to take his cues. Unless there’s something tangible and significant to the accusations, I think the lameness of them might actually strengthen Cain by making it look like another left-wing hit job. The fact Politico went with it and manor in which they did sure makes it look like a left-wing job to me.

  208. Curl is an assh*le and his piece is fit to wipe my ass with.

    Seems to me that he’s pinpointed her rather well…

    Hey Tex, go to a f*cking web site or open a newspaper and deal with the actual news of the day rather than a hit piece on Michele Obama. What say you about Cain?

    LIke MSNBC’s thourough coverage of Solyndra, Sun Power, and Light Squared?

  209. BiW and Huck, all fine and dandy .. then let Tex bitch about those scandals. But I’m really getting tired of the Michele Obama bashing. You can talk all you like about the heat Bush took for eight years, no one went after Laura.

  210. Playing to the hard right on a 3rd rail issue. Nothing more.

    Exactly Huck … which is why when he goes moderate again in the general election GOPhers are gonna be pissed. Not to mention how mealy-mouthed he’ll be as President.

    Well at least if Mitt gets elected, I’ll get to yell RINO at Tex for the next four years. 😀

  211. Tigre, what is there to say about Obama? It’s far more interesting to watch the GOP race right now.

    There’s hardly a single Obama accomplishment that you guys won’t find some way to sully so it’s a waste of my time to discuss them. And if you bother to look at my posts and comments in recent weeks I’ve been pretty critical of him when deserved.

    I’m not in Obama cheerleader mode right now.

  212. But I’m really getting tired of the Michele Obama bashing. You can talk all you like about the heat Bush took for eight years, no one went after Laura.

    Well, ain’t that a heart breaker.

    Shelley is an obvious Fat Granny bitch – even her staff hates her guts. I wouldn’t touch that with your dick. No one went after Laura because she was a lady – Michelle Obama is a horse’s ass and high flying mooch who inserts her idiocy every day into the campaign, so she can continue to live large of the American taxpayer – modern day Marie Antoinette. That makes that nag fair game; La O’Bomba soils everything she touches.

    But that retort wasn’t near as funny as the heathen Poolman defending Michael Moore, a proven world class liar and hypocrite from the Whittle Bill. Al-Poolman has truly reached rock bottom.

  213. You can talk all you like about the heat Bush took for eight years, no one went after Laura.

    Laura wasn’t a nagging scold, inserting herself into my family’s business and doing her best Marie Antoinette impression, while pretending to garden in her best Jimmie Choo designs. Laura had more grace and tact than that.

    I wish I could say the same for Michelle. 😈

  214. I see Tex and I have the same read on her so far, so I guess I’ll just add the suggestion that since she’s going after my kids’ cookies while shoving them into her own piehole, that perhaps the Occupy crowd could come up with a new tack…Rage Against M’Chel’s Cookie!

  215. I guess I missed Poolman’s defense of Mickey the Manitee.

    I grew up with his piehole flapping all over my community, and was shocked at the blatantly misleading portrayal of Flint in “Roger and Me”. Haven’t bothered to watch anything he’s done since, and enjoy regularly mocking him on Twitter.

  216. But that retort wasn’t near as funny as the heathen Poolman defending Michael Moore, a proven world class liar and hypocrite from the Whittle Bill. Al-Poolman has truly reached rock bottom.

    I never defended Michael Moore. I’ve said quite often that I don’t like him. He’s kind of a sleaze to me. I don’t trust him. I was showing Whittle Bill’s argument was a straw man. Moore just happened to be the focus in that video.

    As educated and intelligent as you are supposed to be, you sure miss the boat. Often. Really.

  217. Strictly speaking R Romney has called for Roe v Wade to be overturned so states can take their rightful role in deciding the matter. Also of note Mitt is on record a number of times stating that when it came to his state he’d still pretty much accept the decision of the state. Lets face it Ma. would remain a state where an abortion could be gotten.
    Also of note still further. I do enjoy how people have played out Mitts record on abortion all the way back to ’94 with zeal but skip over a very important part of his gubernotorial election against Shannon O’Brien (D). A key point in a debate was Romney impaling O’Brien on the teen abortions without parental consent issue.

  218. B went trick or treating as a cow with his 3 month old cousin who was a skunk.

    We did about a block.

    B did a great job passing candy out.

    Parents and sister-in-law came over. Neighborhood well behaved.

    I drank a few beers. I don’t have to be work until 8. I usually get up at 445 (basketball in the morning).

    Late 70, early 80s Halloween in metro Detroit used to be a trip. I unabashedly miss the pinch of anarchy that was in the air, back then.

    I’m becoming pretty damn apolitical of late.

    Let’s face it, there are no decent options. Kicking this current joke out is a no-brainer.

    But, their aint no way I’m giving this current bunch of duds my time.

    Personally and slightly superficially, I like Cain. 4 years of a guy that far removed from Washington can’t be bad. Even if he just shakes things up a bit. But I’m not investing any emotional capital in this race.

    Detoxing from this political shit feels nice.

    Sure, I’m a little less informed. But, I don’t hide from politics either. I just don’t obsess on it.

    By the way, my trick or treat door prize I gave you guys, the SPY November puts made you all 113% profit in one day. You did follow the Rabbit, didn’t you.

  219. “I’m not in Obama cheerleader mode right now.”-R

    How could you be?

    I guess you could argue he did a good job on the war on Al Queda… Mostly because Obama isn’t into all the sacred court of law crap you lectured us about with such great passion (pretty fucking quiet about it now).

    He assassinates stink beards in cold blood, even American citizens.

  220. Speaking of full of shit…

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/10/31/lotus-drops-car-bomb-on-u-s-drug-war/

    Lotus Cars U.K. have gone for a different type of ‘green’ by announcing an ‘Eco Elise’ made largely out of hemp.

    If we get the religious right to pull their head out of their ass. Oh, that’s right. Big business and big profits and sacred job slots are more important than common fuckin’ sense in the you esse.

    Ron Paul. That is the only choice, people. Romney is a shill.

  221. I was showing Whittle Bill’s argument was a straw man. Moore just happened to be the focus in that video.

    Baloney. Some ignorant shill’s opinion. Probably a V.T. rube.

    As educated and intelligent as you are supposed to be, you sure miss the boat. Often. Really.

    Maybe it appears that way because 99 times out of 100 you post with a link, I don’t even bother to look anymore. A complete waste of time, and you’re so f***ing weird and jaded, it’s like following a mental ward.

    Go watch some more Simpson reruns Fruit Loop, and wrap your formaldehyde head around the boob tube for more conspiracy gems. You haven’t provide your normal dumbass quotient as of late.

  222. R, admit you were either full of shit then, or you are now.

    Remind me the topic again? Not protesting that Obama has tripled down on the Bush anti-terror policies?

    Hey, maybe I’ll give all you boys a Christmas present and end the year with a scathing critique of the 44th President. Then again, the last thing he needs is me on his ass. He has enough critics on both sides of the aisle.

    Hey Rabbit, since the S&P took a tumble today, do I remember correctly that you shorted it? Is that 113% you were referring to? Hey once I get back into the money, I’ll make you my personal Jim Cramer. You’ll make me rich dude.

  223. In reference to this weekend’s updates on Cain and Perry, Jon Stewart correctly identifed Mitt Romney as the “luckiest motherfudger in the world”. 🙂

    And you know what? If Romney gets the nomination as now seems very likely, that will make Obama the luckiest mofo in the world. I don’t think the flip flop issue will be the deal breaker. It will be the now infamous Bain Capital photo.

  224. If Obama and Romney is the ticket and Ron Paul is on the ballot, it will be close. Maybe a three-way. There are many more of us independents now. I will not vote for Romney. I think Obama is being played. Ron Paul has the best chance of changing things.

    Unfortunately I have little confidence in our highly MANipulated™ election process.

    Man, I found an excellent video on You tube! 2 and a half hours and I am only through an hour of it. Late night tonight. 😐 I can’t stop… Age of Deceit

  225. I’m sorry Pool and others out there in the world but Paul is a no chance& no change. In a three way race (as if) nobody gets a mandate ergo a POTUS Paul would be even less effective as he has been as a congressman.
    No matter who takes the Oval I hope folks don’t lose sight of congressional and state opportunities.

  226. Gorilla,

    I’ve been waiting months to get to say this….years, maybe.

    ——————-

    Umm umm.. clears throat.

    I posted that levitation video last week here on the Rutherford Lawson blog. Now, I am only about ten times behind you in repetitive blog posts/videos. 🙂

    Pretty cool, hey? Oh, it’s those nasty, evil Jews from Yeshiva U. posting that. So there must be some conspiracy, or they stole the idea from Brick Poolman – a real “rocket scientist.”

  227. Sorry, last week I was in a CT seminar so I was essentially unplugged from most stuff. In fact, as you probably saw, I very sparringly responded or posted. So, sorry about the double-tap, but it was worth while.

    The tech holds tremendous promise. If you can keep the super-conductor cold enough, we could establish a rail/transportation system with near-zero friction. Using this to carry the load while a magnetic propulsion system drives the load, we could have long distance, high speed efficient transportation.

    It’s be nice to get a few trucks off of the highway…

  228. Wall Street protesters in Zuccotti Park battened down the hatches yesterday as the early October snow turned their tents into igloos, but the close quarters also made easy pickings for one predator.

    A sex fiend barged into a woman’s tent and sexually assaulted her at around 6 a.m., said protesters, who chased him from the park.

    “Pervert! Pervert! Get the f—k out!” said vigilante Occupiers, who never bothered to call the cops.

    “They were shining flashlights in his face and yelling at him to leave,” said a woman who called herself Leslie, but refused to give her real name.

    She said that weeks earlier another woman was raped.

    “We don’t tell anyone,” she said. “We handle it internally. I said too much already.”

    Yup, this is just like the Tea Party…

    Or not….

  229. Gorilla,

    I wouldn’t even have mentioned it, except Brick Poolman makes a huge deal when I happen to skim and miss something and double dip.

    He’s been shot down by so many of us, that he grasps for any straw to keep from drowning, usually accompanied by fourteen emoticons.

    😈 😈 😈 😈 😈

    It’s so fascinating, it was worth watching again.

  230. If Obama wants to make Bain Capital an issue …

    Huck you’re acting like you’re telling me something I don’t know. I wrote about this a post or two ago.

    And I’m sorry, there is NO equivalence between a politician accepting campaign money from Wall Street (as ALL pols do) and a man working in the private sector to either build or destroy companies, and make big money doing either (which was Bain’s business if I’m not mistaken).

    Nice try … you’re welcome to play again. 😉

  231. Now be careful G, about your musings on high speed rail. There have been several here (I think Tex among them) who have called it a massive waste of money, impractical for a country as big as ours, and a HUGE terrorist lure. Of course, that only happens when someone like me, or some other non-conservative brings the idea up. So I guess you’re safe …. for now. 😐

  232. Tigre, following along a comment you made earlier, the more I hear about this Cain “settlement” the more it sounds like simple severance pay to me. When I first read “a five figure settlement” I thought two things. First, whichever lawyer negotiated that really sucked at his job … and second, I got a five figure severance package and I didn’t claim anybody harassed me.

    My wife commented this morning that Politico has actually been pretty defensive themselves about the story …. which makes it seem all the more suspect. As I’ve said before, I do hope Cain survives this. Of course, his “evolving” story about it isn’t helping any. 😦

  233. It’s not often that the liberal American Civil Liberties Union and conservative Judicial Watch agree on anything, but the Obama administration’s lack of transparency has brought the two together. Obama’s Justice Department has proposed a regulatory change that would weaken the Freedom of Information Act. Under the new rules, the government could falsely respond to those who file FOIA requests that a document does not exist if it pertains to an ongoing criminal investigation, concerns a terrorist organization, or a counterintelligence operation involving a foreign nation.

    So R, what are your thoughts on the Administration’s Transparency now?

  234. @ Rutherford 346 can I play?
    What exactly is wrong with capitalism in your world Rutherfor?

    I concede the sound bite ads and mindless sheep will gobble up some Bain stuff but for those that are willing to look at it in its entirety it’ll be accepted that that is America.That is life at the grown up table.

    I’ve seen how people really like to play up the AmPad story,Teddy K sure loved that one. And other folks like to tout Dade International too. Well I’ll gladly contrast the story of two companies destined for failure,ergo there availability for venture capitalist takeover, to the creation of Staples,the expansion/growth of Dominoes, Brookstone, and Sports Authority and the saving of Sealy. Those too occurred under Romneys Bain tenure.
    Can we add up the jobs and compare them to Obama?

  235. Alfie, I love capitalism but I really don’t think you’re reading the mood of the country right now. Everyone feels like they’re getting cheated. The Tea Party feels they’re getting cheated by government. The OWS feels they’re being cheated by big business with government’s assistance.

    I can tell from your comment you know more about Bain Capital than do I but be that as it may, if Bain’s business is basically a “heads I win, tails you lose” kind of business, where whether jobs are created or destroyed, they still come out ahead, that just does not SPIN well in the current economy and with the current American mood.

    Fairly or unfairly, the only folks who really like rich people right now are other rich people (and those who still believe they can obtain wealth). You need to put aside for a moment your sense of right and wrong and put on your public relations hat. Romney MUST disassociate himself from the image in that Bain picture. No one wants to elect a fat cat right now UNLESS the fat cat is going to offer him a job — and soon.

  236. So, this would be iteration 5,279 demonstrating Democrat policy initiating, sustaining and popping the housing bubble. Golf clap please…

    Smoking-Gun Document Ties Policy To Housing Crisis

    The threat was codified in a 20-page “Policy Statement on Discrimination in Lending” and entered into the Federal Register on April 15, 1994, by the Interagency Task Force on Fair Lending. Clinton set up the little-known body to coordinate an unprecedented crackdown on alleged bank redlining.

    The edict — completely overlooked by the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission and the mainstream media — was signed by then-HUD Secretary Henry Cisneros, Attorney General Janet Reno, Comptroller of the Currency Eugene Ludwig and Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, along with the heads of six other financial regulatory agencies.

    “The agencies will not tolerate lending discrimination in any form,” the document warned financial institutions.

    Ludwig at the time stated the ruling would be used by the agen cies as a fair-lending enforcement “tool,” and would apply to “all lenders” — including banks and thrifts, credit unions, mortgage brokers and finance companies.

    The unusual full-court press was predicated on a Boston Fed study showing mortgage lenders rejecting blacks and Hispanics in greater proportion than whites. The author of the 1992 study, hired by the Clinton White House, claimed it was racial “discrimination.” But it was simply good underwriting.

    It took private analysts, as well as at least one FDIC economist, little time to determine the Boston Fed study was terminally flawed. In addition to finding embarrassing mistakes in the data, they concluded that more relevant measures of a borrower’s credit history — such as past delinquencies and whether the borrower met lenders credit standards — explained the gap in lending between whites and blacks, who on average had poorer credit and higher defaults.

    The study did not take into account a host of other relevant data factoring into denials, including applicants’ net worth, debt burden and employment record. Other variables, such as the size of down payments and the amount of the loans sought to the value of the property being bought, also were left out of the analysis. It also failed to consider whether the borrower submitted information that could not be verified, the presence of a cosigner and even the loan amount.

    When these missing data were factored in, it became clear that the rejection rates were based on legitimate business decisions, not racism.

  237. So the ad quotes Obama as saying “it’s time to try something new”.

    So what ya got G?

    Perry — a laughing stock
    Cain — totally unprepared for office
    Romney — completely unpredictable as to what he will do
    Paul — isolationist
    Gingrich — a political has-been
    Everyone else — at the bottom of polls with no chance of nomination

    Your best answer is that the Presidential outcome is irrelevant and that what really matters are the congressional elections.

    Thanks to your party putting forth a bunch of clowns, there is no good alternative to Obama. So … we are screwed. Congratulations!

  238. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-01/selling-more-insurance-on-shaky-european-debt-raises-risk-for-u-s-banks.html

    BiC is right. We should all be praising the come back of the big banks.

    They learned from their mistakes and rose like a phoenix. And that’s as American as apple pie.

    Rush, Hannity, BiC….I only request that you guys stare at your shoes mum, if those CDO’s ever fire off and Americans are required bail out the banks.

    They blackmail Earth while working with depraved spending whores for governments.

    Seriously, not one fucking word out of you guys.

  239. Rabbit, what you don’t understand is that OWS is inarticulately saying exactly what you are saying. Quite frankly, if they ditched the drums and slept in their own beds at night, you’d fit right in with them, and that’s no insult.

    Former NJ Gov Jon Corzine’s company is going belly-up and if I’m not mistaken, he’s walking away with a 10 Million dollar parachute. That’s 10Mil for failure. Are you trying to tell me THAT’s capitalism?

  240. Which Republican am I supporting? Anybody but Obama. 🙂

    I don’t agree with your assessment. Anybody on that Republican stage would be infinitely better than Obama. For one thing, we’d get rid of that Amazon for a 1st Lady. Granted, short of Perry who has proven a disappointment, thought I think he’d make a dandy Pres., none of them thrill me and my first choices chose not to run. Having said that, I’m not sure the President is that important if we can simply get a Republican Pres, who would appoint good SCOTUS, defend the country, and a Republican Congress to back him and stop the bleeding.

    The Tea Party will do the rest.

    Obama wins, we are toast. And I’m not kidding.

    Boot Shelley’s big, fat onion booty to the curb and nationalize the Obama assets for ripping us all off, then send Shelley on a one way vacation to Somalia.

    That’s the ticket. 😉

  241. I have to disagree with your Ron Paul “label”, rabbit. Noninterventionism is NOT isolationism. That is the distinction the media has been intentionally blurring, among other fallacies.

    There are hundreds of videos on this. RP has been consistent over the years and the farther back you go, you will realize how right he has been all along. You can literally see his predictions manifest over time. It is chilling.

    The mainstream GOP and the democrats have been calling Paul an isolationist for over a decade, so he has had to continually educate our dumbed down electorate to the concept and definition.

    This IS the true OWS movement. It is still gaining steam. You can highlight the fringe elements involved, and there are many, but at the core it is a protest against injustice. Think French revolution.

  242. Where’s Thor Thor to brag about Obama’s stock market expertise today? I always note that sissy disappears when the market drops 600 points in a day.

    Cash baby…only way to play now. Wish I was a 100% in it. Europe is going to implode, and with it, the one last thing the Progs can lie about.

  243. Which Republican am I supporting? Anybody but Obama.

    Wow, 364 has to go down as one of the dumbest things you’ve ever written. The SCOTUS? They don’t legislate. They don’t create jobs. They’ll have almost zero impact on our problems.

    The Tea Party will do the rest? What does that even mean? It’s real simple Tex … an ineffective POTUS and an ineffective Congress and you’re screwed. You better come up with a better plan than comment 364 if you wanna keep this country out of the toilet.

  244. Poolman, it was I, not Rabbit who called Paul isolationist. As I’ve said before, I like Paul’s non-intervention policies but in throwing some stuff at Gorilla, I phrased Paul’s “shortcoming” in the terms that Gorilla would have used.

    This board is funny. Most here hate Paul for the reasons I like him and like him for the reasons I distrust him,

  245. Rutherford, OWS are demanding hand outs. They ARE the problem.

    That hand-out notion is worth exploring a bit Rabbit. Since the banks got bailed out big time, what would be wrong with a one-time debt forgiveness program for select segments of the population, e.g. student loans, homes underwater and perhaps other categories?

    There is precedent for this. Hundreds of years ago, every now and then debts would simply be forgiven and folks would start from scratch. Seems to me the first question we would ask is are the folks to whom money is owed able to absorb the loss. If so, then why not as a one-time corrective measure, erase some debt from “the common man”?

  246. “a politician accepting campaign money from Wall Street (as ALL pols do) and a man working in the private sector to either build or destroy companies, and make big money doing either (which was Bain’s business if I’m not mistaken). ”

    I stand by my statement. Pit the 2 ideas against each other in today’s social climate and then let’s see who is telling who they can try and play again.

    As far as what “all pols do” you are right…all pols take money from private corporations.

    However, not all of them are on record demonizing corporations that are treated like individuals, or the SCOTUS that ruled as such. Barack Obama is.

    So when Obama puts out his ad with Romney in that picture, don’t you think Romney will counter by informing everyone that isn’t you about him getting more campaign funding from that company and then showing how he used to talk shit about that practice?

    I promise you, if Obama goes down that road, he will lose that fight.

  247. Poolman, I see citizen’s united as having more of an impact on our political process than on job creation or debt reduction. That’s why I said the SCOTUS is not where our focus needs to be right now.

    Now, if you’re worried about social issues (e.g. Roe v Wade overturn) than yes, the makeup of the SCOTUS is damn important.

  248. Poolman … the keep Wall St occupied video is one of the best I’ve seen posted here. It’s a fun way to be a total assh*le and why should the big banks have a monopoly on being total assh*les? 🙂

  249. Well Huck, while I stand corrected regarding “not a bad word being spoken about Laura Bush” I can’t help but remark that the second article really pinpoints your problem with Michelle Obama.

    You like your first ladies to quietly support some cause like reading or abstinence from drugs and otherwise their keep their “pie hole” shut. Oh well, sorry but Michelle don’t play that. My guess is you would’ve hated Teresa Kerry too if she had wound up First Lady. And of course back in the day, Hillary was the spawn from hell.

  250. I see citizen’s united as having more of an impact on our political process than on job creation or debt reduction.

    Okay, Rutherford. I see your point. But getting the money out of politics is going to be necessary if we hope to ever be represented by these politicos again.

    As far as job creation is concerned, there is plenty of work out there that needs doing. It either doesn’t pay enough or isn’t respectful enough or we’re too busy looking for the federal government to define it or sanction it. I’ve got more work than I can do, and put a couple others to work doing, but I have to concentrate on accomplishing the most profitable things to enable me to keep up with constantly rising costs.

    Debt reduction will never be a serious debate until all parties are willing to reduce our empire and overseas footprint or address the Fed and our monetary policy. We aren’t really trying. It is lip service. Those talking about it profit the most by keeping it like it is. Thus the protests. Regular channels are broken.

    Do we consider prisoners working for corporations for a couple bucks per hour a good or bad thing? Some see it as a win/win situation. I don’t. Sure, I would rather be working than not, but who really benefits from this? I’m usually not too crazy about statistics, but do you realize how exponentially fast this situation is evolving?

  251. John Kerry hated Teresa Kerry running her pie hole.

    But you effeminate beta-male libs sure like your domineering women. 😆

  252. Poolman, I see citizen’s united as having more of an impact on our political process than on job creation or debt reduction. That’s why I said the SCOTUS is not where our focus needs to be right now.

    I really don’t care if you slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night. You are not equipped to intelligently address the decision, let alone explain why it was “wrongly” decided, no matter how much Keef Olbermann spittle you got on you listening to him shout about it.

  253. “You like your first ladies to quietly support some cause like reading or abstinence from drugs and otherwise their keep their “pie hole” shut. Oh well, sorry but Michelle don’t play that.”

    That’s not necessarily what I like. But if they are going to be “out there” then they (and their supporters/defenders) need to understand what comes with that…..public scrutiny and shit talk.

  254. Wow, 364 has to go down as one of the dumbest things you’ve ever written. The SCOTUS? They don’t legislate. They don’t create jobs. They’ll have almost zero impact on our problems.

    Quite the contrary. That was amazing commentary as always. 🙂 And you think the SCOTUS don’t legislate? And you want to call me dumb?

    Listen bubba. Of all the stupid shit that Obama has “legislated”, the one that may have the longest running defective impact besides his insurmountable debt, is the two hideous acid dykes 😡 he put on the Supreme Court. Both are man hating bitches and racists, with little or no credential to speak – affirmative action candidates, like our current President.

    It is not just important – it is imperative with get this narcissistic prick out of the White House before he has a chance to rule by fiat with his judicial lackeys. And I’m completely convinced Obama could turn fascist real quick, given the opportunity. Half his staff like Napolitano, Jackson and Sebelius are pure blood Aryan jackboots. Suing states with assistance from the United Nations? Mind boggling. This is the Abominable Whore

    Give me a Republican President with some business experience, even RINO Romney, and the Tea Party now has the stroke to play hardball with a Republican Congress and halve this horrid and inept government. We may not have the right Conservative for President yet, but we are getting the muscle and driving the issues. Now we have to get them implemented.

  255. I’m completely convinced Obama could turn fascist real quick, given the opportunity. Half his staff like Napolitano, Jackson and Sebelius are pure blood Aryan jackboots. Suing states with assistance from the United Nations? Mind boggling. This is the Abominable Whore

    Hello? What was that “watch” site again…

  256. Funny thing is, it’s YOUR family tree too. 🙂

    Some things are universal. Try on another “brother’s” perspective.

  257. I really don’t care if you slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

    Well Saturday that is certainly unusual and original. I’m safely ensconced in my new home in Naperville, IL now … haven’t been in the Holiday Inn Express since late July. 😉

    You seem to be going off on your own little tangent. Even though I haven’t heard a damn thing about Citizen’s United that makes me comfortable, I was not condemning it to Poolman, I was making a distinction between a decision that effects the political process vs one that effects job creation and debt reduction.

    Now that you’ve gotten your smack against Keef, you care to discuss any of the actual topics in this thread?

    P.S. I forget … is Saturday one of BiW’s aliases?

  258. Tex, Lisa Jackson is a pure blood Aryan jackboot? LOL. Now I can’t tell if she is Hispanic or black but either way she ain’t no Aryan.

    We may not have the right Conservative for President yet, but we are getting the muscle and driving the issues. Now we have to get them implemented.

    Like I said to Gorilla, your only hope is filibuster proof majority in the Senate and a majority in the House. Otherwise, you and your Tea Party can go suck a lemon. 😐

  259. Huck you got a link for that Cain/China comment? I’ve seen so much on the darn sexual harassment thing that I haven’t seen coverage of any China comments. (But clearly you’re right … he ain’t ready for primetime.)

    My advice to Herman when it comes to answering claims of sexual harassment is the following statement:

    “It was her boobs I liked. Her ass meant nothing to me.” 🙂

  260. Did you guys see this? Talk about a breakdown. 😐

    We represent the 645 police officers who work hard every day to protect the citizens of Oakland. We, too, are the 99% fighting for better working conditions, fair treatment and the ability to provide a living for our children and families. We are severely understaffed with many City beats remaining unprotected by police during the day and evening hours.

    As your police officers, we are confused.

    On Tuesday, October 25th, we were ordered by Mayor Quan to clear out the encampments at Frank Ogawa Plaza and to keep protesters out of the Plaza. We performed the job that the Mayor’s Administration asked us to do, being fully aware that past protests in Oakland have resulted in rioting, violence and destruction of property.

    Then, on Wednesday, October 26th, the Mayor allowed protesters back in – to camp out at the very place they were evacuated from the day before.

    To add to the confusion, the Administration issued a memo on Friday, October 28th to all City workers in support of the “Stop Work” strike scheduled for Wednesday, giving all employees, except for police officers, permission to take the day off.

    That’s hundreds of City workers encouraged to take off work to participate in the protest against “the establishment.” But aren’t the Mayor and her Administration part of the establishment they are paying City employees to protest? Is it the City’s intention to have City employees on both sides of a skirmish line?

    It is all very confusing to us.

    Meanwhile, a message has been sent to all police officers: Everyone, including those who have the day off, must show up for work on Wednesday. This is also being paid for by Oakland taxpayers. Last week’s events alone cost Oakland taxpayers over $1 million.

    The Mayor and her Administration are beefing up police presence for Wednesday’s work strike they are encouraging and even “staffing,” spending hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars for additional police presence – at a time when the Mayor is also asking Oakland residents to vote on an $80 parcel tax to bail out the City’s failing finances.

    All of these mixed messages are confusing.

    We love Oakland and just want to do our jobs to protect Oakland residents. We respectfully ask the citizens of Oakland to join us in demanding that our City officials, including Mayor Quan, make sound decisions and take responsibility for these decisions. Oakland is struggling – we need real leaders NOW who will step up and lead – not send mixed messages. Thank you for listening.

    http://www.opoa.org/uncategorized/an-open-letter-to-the-citizens-of-oakland-from-the-oakland-police-officers%E2%80%99-association/

  261. Perry — a laughing stock
    Cain — totally unprepared for office
    Romney — completely unpredictable as to what he will do
    Paul — isolationist
    Gingrich — a political has-been
    Everyone else — at the bottom of polls with no chance of nomination

    Your best answer is that the Presidential outcome is irrelevant and that what really matters are the congressional elections.

    Thanks to your party putting forth a bunch of clowns, there is no good alternative to Obama. So … we are screwed. Congratulations!” – R

    R, they’re ALL good alternatives to Obama.

    “A billion seconds ago Harry Truman was president. A billion minutes ago was just after the time of Christ. A billion hours ago man had not yet walked on earth. A billion dollars ago was late yesterday afternoon at the U.S. Treasury.”

  262. Good list to keep for your records, with proof of MSM hacks called JournoList:

    1. Spencer Ackerman – Wired, FireDogLake, Washington Independent, Talking Points Memo, TheAmerican Prospect
    2. Thomas Adcock – New York Law Journal
    3. Ben Adler – Newsweek, POLITICO
    4. Mike Allen – POLITICO
    5. Eric Alterman – The Nation, Media Matters for America
    6. Marc Ambinder – The Atlantic
    7. Greg Anrig – The Century Foundation
    8. Ryan Avent – Economist
    9. Dean Baker – The American Prospect
    10. Nick Baumann – Mother Jones
    11. Josh Bearman – LA Weekly
    12. Steven Benen – The Carpetbagger Report
    13. Ari Berman – The Nation
    14. Jared Bernstein – Economic Policy Institute
    15. Michael Berube – Crooked Timer, Pennsylvania State University
    16. Brian Beutler – The Media Consortium
    17. Lindsay Beyerstein – Freelance journalist
    18. Joel Bleifuss – In These Times
    19. John Blevins – South Texas College of Law
    20. Sam Boyd – The American Prospect
    21. Ben Brandzel – MoveOn.org, John Edwards Campaign
    22. Shannon Brownlee – Author, New America Foundation
    23. Will Bunch – Philadelphia Daily News
    24. Rich Byrne – Playwright
    25. Jonathan Chait – The New Republic
    26. Lakshmi Chaudry – In These Times
    27. Isaac Chotiner – The New Republic
    28. Ta-Nehisi Coates – The Atlantic
    29. Michael Cohen – New America Foundation
    30. Jonathan Cohn – The New Republic
    31. Joe Conason – The New York Observer
    32. Lark Corbeil – Public News Service
    33. David Corn – Mother Jones
    34. Daniel Davies – The Guardian
    35. David Dayen – FireDogLake
    36. Brad DeLong – The Economists’ Voice, University of California at Berkeley
    37. Ryan Donmoyer – Bloomberg News
    38. Adam Doster – In These Times
    39. Kevin Drum – Washington Monthly
    40. Matt Duss – Center for American Progress
    41. Gerald Dworkin – UC Davis
    42. Eve Fairbanks – The New Republic
    43. Henry Farrell – George Washington University
    44. Tim Fernholz – American Prospect
    45. Dan Froomkin – Huffington Post, Washington Post
    46. Jason Furman – Brookings Institution
    47. James Galbraith – University of Texas at Austin
    48. Kathleen Geier – Talking Points Memo
    49. Todd Gitlin – Columbia University
    50. Ilan Goldenberg – National Security Network
    51. Arthur Goldhammer – Harvard University
    52. Dana Goldstein – The Daily Beast
    53. Andrew Golis – Talking Points Memo
    54. Jaana Goodrich – Blogger
    55. Merrill Goozner – Chicago Tribune
    56. David Greenberg – Slate
    57. Robert Greenwald – Brave New Films
    58. Chris Hayes – The Nation
    59. Don Hazen – Alternet
    60. Jeet Heer – Canadian Journolist
    61. Jeff Hauser – Political Action Committee, Dennis Shulman Campaign
    62. Michael Hirsh – Newsweek
    63. James Johnson – University of Rochester
    64. John Judis – The New Republic, The American Prospect
    65. Foster Kamer – The Village Voice
    66. Michael Kazin – Georgetown University
    67. Ed Kilgore – Democratic Strategist
    68. Richard Kim – The Nation
    69. Charlie Kireker – Air America Media
    70. Mark Kleiman – UCLA The Reality Based Community
    71. Ezra Klein – Washington Post, Newsweek, The American Prospect
    72. Joe Klein – TIME
    73. Robert Kuttner – American Prospect, Economic Policy Institute
    74. Paul Krugman – The New York Times, Princeton University
    75. Lisa Lerer – POLITICO
    76. Daniel Levy – Century Foundation
    77. Ralph Luker – Cliopatria
    78. Annie Lowrey – Washington Independent
    79. Robert Mackey – New York Times
    80. Mike Madden – Salon
    81. Maggie Mahar – The Century Foundation
    82. Dylan Matthews – Harvard University
    83. Alec McGillis – Washington Post
    84. Scott McLemee – Inside Higher Ed
    85. Sara Mead – New America Foundation
    86. Ari Melber – The Nation
    87. David Meyer – University of California at Irvine
    88. Seth Michaels – MyDD.com
    89. Luke Mitchell – Harper’s Magazine
    90. Gautham Nagesh – The Hill, Daily Caller
    91. Suzanne Nossel – Human Rights Watch
    92. Michael O’Hare – University of California at Berkeley
    93. Josh Orton – MyDD.com, Air America Media
    94. Rodger Payne – University of Louisville
    95. Rick Perlstein – Author, Campaign for America’s Future
    96. Nico Pitney – Huffington Post
    97. Harold Pollack – University of Chicago
    98. Katha Pollitt – The Nation
    99. Ari Rabin-Havt – Media Matters
    100. Joy-Ann Reid – South Florida Times
    101. David Roberts – Grist
    102. Lamar Robertson – Partnership for Public Service
    103. Sara Robinson – Campaign For America’s Future
    104. Alyssa Rosenberg – Washingtonian, The Atlantic, Government Executive
    105. Alex Rossmiller – National Security Network
    106. Michael Roston – Newsbroke
    107. Laura Rozen – POLITICO, Mother Jones
    108. Felix Salmon – Reuters
    109. Greg Sargent – Washington Post
    110. Thomas Schaller – Baltimore Sun
    111. Noam Scheiber – The New Republic
    112. Michael Scherer – TIME
    113. Mark Schmitt – American Prospect, The New America Foundation
    114. Rinku Sen – ColorLines Magazine
    115. Julie Bergman Sender – Balcony Films
    116. Adam Serwer – American Prospect
    117. Walter Shapiro – PoliticsDaily.com
    118. Kate Sheppard – Mother Jones
    119. Matthew Shugart – UC San Diego
    120. Nate Silver – FiveThirtyEight.com
    121. Jesse Singal – The Boston Globe, Washington Monthly
    122. Ann-Marie Slaughter – Princeton University
    123. Ben Smith – POLITICO
    124. Sarah Spitz – KCRW
    125. Adele Stan – The Media Consortium
    126. Paul Starr – The Atlantic
    127. Kate Steadman – Kaiser Health News
    128. Jonathan Stein – Mother Jones
    129. Sam Stein – Huffington Post
    130. Matt Steinglass – Deutsche Presse-Agentur
    131. James Surowiecki – The New Yorker
    132. Jesse Taylor – Pandagon.net
    133. Steven Teles – Yale University
    134. Mark Thoma – The Economists’ View
    135. Michael Tomasky – The Guardian
    136. Jeffrey Toobin – CNN, The New Yorker
    137. Rebecca Traister – Salon
    138. Tracy Van Slyke – The Media Consortium
    139. Paul Waldman – Author, American Prospect
    140. Dave Weigel – Washington Post, MSNBC, The Washington Independent
    141. Moira Whelan – National Security Network
    142. Scott Winship – Pew Economic Mobility Project
    143. J. Harry Wray – DePaul University
    144. D. Brad Wright – University of NC at Chapel Hill
    145. Kai Wright – The Root
    146. Holly Yeager – Columbia Journalism Review
    147. Rich Yeselson – Change to Win
    148. Matthew Yglesias – Center for American Progress, The Atlantic Monthly
    149. Jonathan Zasloff – UCLA
    150. Julian Zelizer – Princeton University
    151. Avi Zenilman – POLITICO

    A virtual smorgasbord of Left-wing politics that Brotha Rutherford likes to use as source material. 🙂

  263. Cain doesn’t have what it takes, other than he’s not Obama. In fact, he’s anti-Obama which is why I think there’s fascination with him. He’s self-made, plain-spoken, seems down to earth, and appears to like people. He seems to “want” the job too, unlike Obama who fells it was thrust upon him because of his greatness.

    And sorry R. Huck’s right. If the left’s women are going to open their pie-holes and become self-appointed spokesman for their husband’s politics/party, they’re fair game. You can’t have it both ways.

    Frankly,unless you have some scorned-mommy complex, I can’t see what you find appealing about Michelle Obama at all. God the whole country is sick of the Obama’s arrogance, finger wagging, and being lectured to like children when they have nothing whatsoever to show after 3 years other than the refined art of laying blame and taking conspicuously opulent vacations.

    The left, while looking for its next messiah (because it always needs one), will continue to create Cains. I love that the liberal MSM never cuts through the fog of its own sponsorship of the current disaster to see that it is responsible for Cain’s popularity. I wish he were more qualified for the job.

  264. The left, while looking for its next messiah (because it always needs one), will continue to create Cains. I love that the liberal MSM never cuts through the fog of its own sponsorship of the current disaster to see that it is responsible for Cain’s popularity. I wish he were more qualified for the job.

    Well said Tigre. Sums up my feelings exactly, and I personally like old Herman. I’ve pretty much refrained from commenting about Cain, because he’s not my first choice and inadequate in many areas – especially foreign affairs.

    Having said that, surrounded by the right men and women, Cain would be infinitely better than Obama. Cain need not be an expert on foreign matters if he puts the right people in position. After all, isn’t that supposed to be a leader’s best quality? Surrounding himself with really smart people? I’d love to see someone like Gingrich as Sec. of State.

    And if jobs and the economy are really only Rutherford’s main concern as he keeps insinuating on the thread, then Cain should be his first choice. Who more qualified to speak on matters of job creation than a self-made man who has made a lifetime of running a business.

  265. Should have placed a question mark at the end of that last sentence for the pedantic Thor Thor. I ignore the rules of grammar here.

    I would like Rutherford to give us his take after three years of Obama failures, what was it that Rutherford actually saw in Obama that made him think Obama capable of running an economy?

    Obama had never held a job that required a measurable performance. To the best of my knowledge, Obama had never created a job. His main capacity seemed to be doling out others donations. Obama’s entire economics team besides the incompetent boob Geithner failed miserable, and left Obama holding the bag.

    Why would anybody in this entire nation think Obama the one to restore fiscal sanity and economic prosperity? There is absolutely no proof that Obama’s economic policies have done anything of good while creating a mountain of debt.

    Obama had his shot. It’s time for him to voluntarily step aside for the good of the country.

  266. “A billion seconds ago Harry Truman was president. A billion minutes ago was just after the time of Christ. A billion hours ago man had not yet walked on earth. A billion dollars ago was late yesterday afternoon at the U.S. Treasury.”

    Classic.

    And guys like R want to ramp up the spending.

  267. “spy nov 19 ’11 put, strike 122, 88 cents.” – Tex

    Is that 122 a put for 12200 on Dow @ .88 prem? Well done Deceased Hare. I won’t ask how many shares but, obviously, drinks are on Rabbit! 🙂

  268. Sorry Rabbit, I don’t know why I put Tex on that quote.

    This is for Tex though,
    Bush Dow 10,600 down to 8281.22
    Obama Dow 8281.22 up to 11,824.27

    Bush end term losing 780,000 jobs a month.
    Obama currently adding 100,000 plus a month.

    Bush = recession
    Obama = slow growth

    Yes, O is driving the car at school zone speeds. Bush drove us off a cliff and now you want us to hand the keys off to his fellow frat boys that were cheering him as he did it.

  269. Huck, lies are par for the course…

    “If Congress tells you they don’t have time, they got time to do it. We’ve been in the House of Representatives, what have you guys been debating? John (Speaker John Boehner), you’ve been debating a commemorative coin for baseball? You have legislation reaffirming that In God We Trust is our motto. That’s not putting people back to work. I trust in God, but God wants to see us help ourselves by putting people back to work,” Obama said.

  270. “A billion seconds ago Harry Truman was president. A billion minutes ago was just after the time of Christ. A billion hours ago man had not yet walked on earth. A billion dollars ago was late yesterday afternoon at the U.S. Treasury.”

    That was good.

  271. So Thor Thor, you evaded my question. If Bush bad, Obama good, and the stock market attributable to Barack Obama, why do 79% of the adult American voting public think the country on the wrong track?

    So I’ll try again with a different question.

    Since unemployment averaged 5.3% under the Bush eight years, and since unemployment has averaged about 9.4% under Obama for three years, and since in Bush’s seventh year the DOW at 14,200, and Obama has never been above 12,800 but we are not at to the end of his feckless term, I assume if the DOW happens to drop precipitously this coming year, you teabaggees will indeed be voting for the Republican candidate?

    Daily Debt Accumulated under George Bush = $1.6 billion
    Daily Debt Accumulated under Barack Obama = $4.2 billion

    I think you’ve got your analogy wrong:

    Yes, O is driving the car at school zone speeds. Bush drove us off a cliff and now you want us to hand the keys off to his fellow frat boys that were cheering him as he did it.

    I think it would be more accurate to say Bush drove us into the ditch as Obama loves to add (it’s his only joke he knows), but Obamessiah pushed us over the cliff, opened the earth and covered America with a backhoe.

    Just make sure you keep $100.00 for Rutherford handy. You’re going to need it, no matter who the candidate.

  272. “Obama = slow growth”

    The market doesn’t prove growth Numbnutz. 🙄 Where’s the hiring.

    We shouldn’t be too rough on John Thorazine Tigre. After all, John is a novelist. 😆

    One perusal through Thor Thor’s blog would indicate a pretty shallow of understanding about economics and finance.

  273. “Since unemployment averaged 5.3% under the Bush eight years, and since unemployment has averaged about 9.4% under Obama for three years, and since in Bush’s seventh year the DOW at 14,200, and Obama has never been above 12,800 but we are not at to the end of his feckless term…”

    This is all quite easy to explain, Tex.

    Everything bad is the fault of past and present Republican policies and everything good is the result of past and present Democrat polices.

    Once we begin with this basic assumption…economics becomes so much easier to understand.

  274. Frankly,unless you have some scorned-mommy complex, I can’t see what you find appealing about Michelle Obama at all.

    Since I don’t spend a great deal of time reading every dirty word written about the woman, I take her at face value. She appears to me intelligent, articulate, and successful in her own right. I suspect that all of the “privileges” that she has supposedly taken advantage of are no different from any other First Lady.

  275. Having said that, surrounded by the right men and women …

    This mindset will get us all killed. Every President needs to have good advisers. That goes without saying. You still want the man to at least know that China is a nuclear power, what a neocon is, whether or not it’s wise to release all Gitmo prisoners in exchange for a hostage.

    Yup, Tex and his ilk will allow their Obama-hate to dictate their choice of nominee — ANY nominee.

    When our country falls to ruin, I’ll be looking for your hide, Tex Taylor! 👿

  276. the problem is the amount he is spending on that car.

    It is expensive to convert a Hummer to a Prius. It would have been better to sell the former for scrap and put that up as a deposit toward the latter.

    Unfortunately the passengers’ nostalgia for GM wouldn’t have it.

  277. Yup, Tex and his ilk will allow their Obama-hate to dictate their choice of nominee — ANY nominee.

    When our country falls to ruin, I’ll be looking for your hide, Tex Taylor!

    Nothing I have ever read was so terrifying that it brought me to a complete standstill. Frightening 😥 When you do grab that hide Superman, you’ll probably be sorely disappointed. Girls used to tell me I had a cute swing. Now it drags in the sand behind me, shriveled and worn.

    Look goofus. I don’t hate Obama – I loathe Obama like I loathed Graychin. Both are deadweight around humanity’s ass and thieves to boot. But if there is anybody more incompetent than Zero, it’s his cabinet – bunch of commies, pinkos, euro socialists, abortions, or mutt faced drag queens – the absolute bottom of the barrel. Everyone of them now that Gates is gone suck to a man or woman. That’s a fact – except I may be will to give Panetta a pass, since he is at least ordering drone strikes to kill SJS types.

    So if we place a stuffed Barbie doll with a pull string in the Oval Office seat, Barbie gets a good cabinet, we will still be far ahead of where we are at this moment.

  278. LOL. Good one. But I was thinking abortions and mutt faced drag queens covered the bases…

    I loathe Kathleen Sebelius too. So I’m an equal opportunity racist. 😉

  279. The market doesn’t prove growth Numbnutz – ET

    I was speaking to GDP. 2.5% in the third quarter isn’t great, but it’s a hell of a lot better than the double dip certain economic gurus on this site were predicting a couple months ago.

  280. “Everything bad is the fault of past and present Republican policies and everything good is the result of past and present Democrat polices.” – Huck

    Outside of the Emancipation Proc. and interstate highways, pretty much, yeah. Although I did hear that Katrina was triggered by a gay pride parade. Unless Larry Craig was involved, they’re probably off the hook for that one. 🙂

  281. “The U.S. recovery remains anemic and could be knocked off course if Europe fails to quell its crisis. The economy grew at a 2.5 percent annual pace in the third quarter, a significant improvement over the second quarter but still too soft to put a dent in unemployment.”

    The exact number I used in 440. This is from your link. Hardly an indication of my residence two standard deviations to the left.

  282. Numbnutz, just admit it. You don’t really know what these numbers mean.

    I thought the headline might tip you off:

    “The Federal Reserve on Wednesday slashed its forecast for growth, raised projections for unemployment and said it was mulling the possibility of buying more mortgage debt to spur a struggling recovery.”

    This is proof that Obama’s doing a good job?

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