The Corporate President, The Real Romney and Birth of a Nation

The Corporate President

This week, The Washington Post reported that Barack Obama is receiving more campaign donations from the financial sector than any of the potential GOP nominees combined. The trick to this calculation is that Obama has access to funds raised by the Democratic National Committee (DNC). If we look at Obama’s own fund-raising, he comes in second behind Mitt Romney. Interestingly, three guys at Bain Capital (Romney’s former company) gave Obama enough money to outweigh the 18 others at Bain who gave to Romney.

Since campaign contributions imply some sort of quid pro quo, one has to wonder what the financial sector thinks they will get out of Obama. Perhaps in between all the moaning and groaning, they know that Obama could have been much tougher on the sector than he has been. More disturbingly, despite his public condemnation of the financial sector, perhaps Obama is currying favor with them privately and raking in the dough.

In any case, don’t expect anyone in the Obama camp to brag about their fund raising prowess with the top 1%. This won’t do much to solicit votes from the far left or the OWS crowd. The last thing we need going into 2012 is the image of Obama as just another bought and sold politician.

The Real Romney

In this week’s GOP Presidential Debate in Las Vegas, Mitt Romney said something that may have been a bit too revealing.

In a heated exchange with Texas Governor and Presidential wanna-be Rick Perry, Mitt Romney tried to explain why undocumented workers were doing his lawn work. Perry claimed that Romney knew he had “illegals” working for him and did nothing about it. In a moment of candor, Romney supplied fodder for an opposition campaign ad when he said that he confronted the owners of the lawn company and told them, “I’m running for office, for Pete’s sake, I can’t have illegals.” In other words, “If I weren’t under scrutiny, I would care less about undocumented workers on my property.” The big reveal here does not concern Romney’s convictions about illegal immigration but rather the general meme that Romney is a phony. Fortunately for  Romney, the whole exchange made Perry look desperate since the illegal worker issue had already been disposed of in the 2007/2008 primary season. Besides, most of us watching the debate were on the edge of our seats wondering if Perry would coldcock Romney for reaching out and touching his shoulder.

Birth of a Nation

We Americans get rightfully excited when an oppressed people overthrow an evil dictator and embark upon forming a free democratic society. Such was our enthusiasm this week when the regime of Muammar Gaddafi met its complete demise with his death in his home town of Sirte. There is only one problem. Is this really the way a budding democracy is supposed to get started? Gaddafi, a 69 year old man was captured and (as far as we can tell) video taped badly bloodied. Other videos purport to show his dead body. While the exact circumstances will probably never be known, it appears that Gaddafi was summarily executed.

There are a couple of things that ought to give us pause before we celebrate Gaddafi’s death. First, we have had an on-again, off-again relationship with Libya. In the wake of 9/11, Gaddafi condemned terrorism (despite prior acts to the contrary) and gave up development of weapons of mass destruction. The release of the Lockerbie bomber and his welcome in Libya then soured the relationship again. The bottom line is that our attitude toward Libya over the years has been ambiguous at best.

Then there is the matter of precedent. Iraq’s Saddam Hussein was captured, tried and executed. Gaddafi received no such trial. One could point to the recent murders of Osama bin Laden and Anwar al-Awlaki and say what’s the big deal. But neither of them was a head of state. I would think that a coup designed to establish a free society would not get its start by ignoring the standards of justice accepted by most civilized societies.

Our President stood in the Rose Garden this week and expressed his satisfaction with the murder of a fellow head of state. Personally, I don’t see the parallel between the birth of the new Libya, which in its infancy operated like a crazed mob and the birth of our own noble nation. This is not the outcome we should have hoped for when we started “leading from behind” several months ago.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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222 thoughts on “The Corporate President, The Real Romney and Birth of a Nation

  1. Our prospects of avoiding a corporate president dwindle each day. If things keep going like they are, we’ll be stuck with the two candidates being in the pockets of the monied interest: blogforliberty.com.

  2. ““If I weren’t under scrutiny, I would care less about undocumented workers on my property.”

    I didn’t hear that. Although poorly worded, I understood him to mean “of course I didn’t do that — it would be so stupid it’s preposterous to suggest it was a possibility.”

    Oh well. Back to MSNBC. Some blather about the evil Rubio. . .

  3. Oh. Evil Cain personally seems to think that abortion is never warranted, but as president it would be his (or the government’s ) place to make that determination.

    This confuses the left. To them, government ‘s function control all human behavior so to the what Cain said is contradictory. 🙄

    Back to MSNBC. Something about Rubio’s parents not being a “real” Cuban exiles or something equally menacing.

    Go get ’em MSNBC. Anything to keep from having to talk about Dear Leader. . . 🙄

  4. Rutherford actually surprises me on occasion.

    He’s more fair in his assessment of middle east politics than some Clinton hack like Geraldo Rivera. I figured we would get the fatuous Iraq vs. Libya comparison, but you Mr. RuPoolman are on the same page as I am, except in the case of UBL and Anwar al-Awlaki. I actually commend the epic failure Pres. O’Blammo for both. We are at war with radical Islam whether we declare war or not – because they have no compunction for mealy-mouth pc and have stated as much.

    Ghaddafi was a garden variety thug like Saddam, but best I can tell, neither was particularly driven by religious zealotry. In fact, both kept the animals in check with brutality.

    I think this Libya think is going to end very ugly, just like I think Egypt and Tunisia are going to end ugly, just as I think Syria and eventually Turkey will end ugly. Iraq will fall apart and become radicalized upon our exit because of Shiites and Iran.

    And I predict a mass confluence of radical Islam within the next decade, looking strikingly similar to present day Iran.

    WWIII is coming sure as the sun rises. My only unknown is what side do Russia and China choose.

  5. My only unknown is what side do Russia and China choose.

    Here is one perspective…

    …Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin prior to his departure for China, cautioned his generals to prepare for Armageddon. A similar message was also delivered to the Chinese leadership that has the Chinese Forces also on high alert. Apparently in the same context, Putin has resolved all differences with China to forge a clear unity for times ahead.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/10/21/prepare-for-armageddon/

  6. Actually Poolman, that video was pretty reasonable but incomplete. I say incomplete because it doesn’t name names like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, George Soros, or heads of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They should be going to prison with them.

    But I disagree that it is the homeowners that were the most screwed – the real screwing was anybody that was invested in a stock or bond, or lost a job due to lack of financial restraint. Their losses were staggering through absolutely no fault of their own.

    However, if every 99% protestor carried that message, I could get on board with them. In fact, I’m sure most Tea Party members would also be on board. But that coherent message is not carrying the day at these OWS orgies. That one guy should be the first to call for removing the anarchists and violent rhetoric from their midst. If he doesn’t, his very correct message will be drown out by the calls for socialism, communism, and anarchy.

  7. Stocks and bonds are known risks. Home’s were never considered “risky” investments. I think homeowners took the greatest hit. Of course I have personal experience there. My new knowledge says unless you own it outright, you don’t own shit. And even though you possess it, it ultimately isn’t yours anyway. Enjoy what you got and don’t take anything or anyone for granted.

  8. I say incomplete because it doesn’t name names like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, George Soros, or heads of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They should be going to prison with them.

    Send them all. I have no problem there. Line them up. Let some convicted pot smokers out to make room for them, if need be.

    Someone has to stand for justice. If the administration won’t, the people must. The question is, can the OWS movement capture that vision collectively and sustain their momentum in spite of the opposition’s actions to thwart them? Can working Americans risk aligning with a movement that may cost them their job? It’s a “which side are you on?” kind of thing.

  9. My new knowledge says unless you own it outright, you don’t own shit. And even though you possess it, it ultimately isn’t yours anyway

    That isn’t new. Think I’m wrong? What happens to your house (even if it is “paid for”) if you don’t pay your property taxes?

  10. In any case, don’t expect anyone in the Obama camp to brag about their fund raising prowess with the top 1%. This won’t do much to solicit votes from the far left or the OWS crowd. The last thing we need going into 2012 is the image of Obama as just another bought and sold politician.

    Don’t worry about Rutherford. The unions will pay more than enough to keep him in their backpocket. They share a common vision.

  11. Most stocks and bonds were severely punished when they never should have been. The scare tactics created by the financial crisis was almost exclusively 2.2 trillion of bad debt caused by a housing bubble impacting the entire market for irrational reasons, and proved to me an inherent weakness in the way equities are bought and sold. It’s amazing we didn’t have a run on the banks. Consumer staple stocks like Exxon Mobil, Proctor and Gamble, and Target were not affiliated with a housing crisis. I personally had enough of this marketing manager manipulation and in April of this year, basically left the market for cash. 90% of my investments now sit in a cash account that draws little or nothing – I even bailed on the gold, but I’m not going to watch 50% the value be lost within weeks again. Fortunately, I moved most of it when the DOW sat at 12,500, and then again at 11,500.

    Home’s were never considered “risky” investments. I think homeowners took the greatest hit.

    Any asset should be considered a risk. That was naivety of buyers, coupled with government leniency and the machinations of predatory mortgage companies. It should have been obvious that home price escalation couldn’t be sustained and there were a glut of homes even fifteen years ago. If I had been smart, I would have shorted the real estate market several years back when even an amateur like I saw it coming. My costly mistake – much of it out of sheer laziness and an aversion to risk.

    Of course I have personal experience there. My new knowledge says unless you own it outright, you don’t own shit. And even though you possess it, it ultimately isn’t yours anyway.

    This I agree with completely. Nothing burns my ass more than property taxes and yearly car tag taxes, of which I get to pay six times from June-Oct. Though I own my home outright (or did until kids hit college) and don’t have a mortgage, each year I am forced in December to send our county assessor a $3,000.00+ check – cheap in comparison to what somebody like Rutherford was paying – but still due and payable in full. So somebody explain to me how I “own” my home?

    In reality, the only things you own outright best I can determine, are the possessions within your home like your couch. Everything else is the property of the government.

  12. Tigre, your first two comments on this thread make me think you’re smoking the Friday night reefer.

    Cain did NOT say it was the government’s role to intervene in abortion. THAT is the entire problem. He said he was pro-life but that the woman and her family need to make the choice. THAT is pro-choice. In his interview with John Stossel he seems to want to have his cake and eat it too. Now, if you can explain Cain’s position to me in a serious fashion without being snarky, I’d love to understand it.

    Second, while I don’t think it is the end of the world, Marco Rubio’s big claim to fame about being the son of exiles turns out to be either a lie or a misunderstanding between him and his parents. He needs to clear it up and drop the self-righteous “I’m offended” bullsh*t. He has either deliberately or accidentally misrepresented himself to paint himself a big anti-commie conservative. Marco … just correct the record once and for all dude, and move on.

  13. I find it humorous Rutherford your scumbags are already trying to damage Rubio. It’s obvious as hell they fear him. Only this time, the attempt has blown up in your faces, with even WaPo authors condemning the hit job…

    Unless there is some big skeleton hiding in his closet, you better get used to hearing Pres. Rubio before your done. 😉

  14. My new knowledge says unless you own it outright, you don’t own shit.

    Well Poolman, and believe me I’m not lecturing you, but I always knew that. In fact I used to joke when folks asked if I was a home owner, I’d say “actually the bank owns most of the house.”

    That’s a bargain we make to have our own bit of heaven with the hope that one day we WILL own the whole thing. We don’t count on the house becoming a depreciating asset or our ability to pay becoming compromised by forces beyond our control. As I’ve said before, I’m a bit pissed at my former bank for screwing with my credit line (and even that I know I’m ultimately wrong about) but I’m not at all pissed at them over my mortgage. I made a deal with them, fully conscious of the risks. I got lucky and was able to sell with money in my pocket.

    My persistent anger is aimed at the company that made it no longer possible for me to meet my end of the bargain with my bank.

    And in truth, I was introduced to the concept of a depreciating asset very early in my life. My first home was a condo that I purchased at about 70K in 1986 and sold for about 40K in 1993. I used to joke “something is REALLY wrong when you can’t afford to SELL something.” 🙂

  15. Hey Huck, to show you how much things have changed, I once took a radio, television and film class my last semester of college for fun to make sure I was considered a full-time student.

    The class basically consisted of watching classics and then taking tests over the film. And the guy who taught the class could actually make the exams pretty tough – questions like how many steps did so an so take..

    One of the films we “critiqued” was Birth of a Nation. 😐

    I don’t remember much about it, but I remember some of those old silent flicks were much more enjoyable to watch than I ever thought they could be.

  16. Since Tex has also broached Exile-gate, let me break down the problem.

    In conservative circles, the more anti-Communist you are the better. Therefore to portray ones family as exiles, escaping from Communist Cuba under the iron fist of Castro paints a very appealing picture to potential conservative voters and power brokers. The “revelation” that his parents did not escape Castro MIGHT indicate a deliberate attempt to deceive on the part of Rubio to make himself a conservative darling.

    Interestingly, one thing he said in the past 48 hours that redeems him (and that he SHOULD have said in the first place) is that his parents left Cuba but could not return because of Castro’s takeover.

    That’s what’s odd about the whole thing, The immigrant story is compelling without the embellishment … and then when you throw in the notion that they lost their country and could not return, hot damn, you’ve got a nice GOP bio. In this case the TRUTH could have done Rubio as much good as the lie.

    Now Tex … this is where I part from the lib MSM. I DO believe it is highly possible that Marco got an inaccurate oral history from his parents. Heck, I don’t take the things my parents have told me and then go research to see if they’re telling the truth.

    As I said earlier, I don’t lose any sleep over this. From what I understand, Rubio’s played fast and loose with the truth before regarding credit card payments. He may have forfeited his dance card for the 2012 go round. But he may very well be back for 2016.

  17. Well this message is primarily for Tex who has shown an interest (and I should probably just write to him privately … oh well) but since many of you have been privy to my troubles, I figured I’d share this publicly.

    Tex you’ll be pleased to know I am finally “manning up” and going in for a colonoscopy on Monday. I get to start drinking the happy meal Sunday night and then an encore serving Monday morning. To say I’m anxious about the whole ordeal is to put it mildly. As many of you know, I turned 50 this year so the time is right for a colonoscopy but compounding the need is all the digestive troubles I’ve had on and off (mostly on) for the past six or so months. (I actually have a bad history of digestion going back a good 15 years but not consistent.)

    Blood and poop tests have already ruled out thyroid problems and Celiacs disease. So what I’m looking at now could be Crohns, simple IBS or who knows …worst case colon cancer. The last of course is my biggest fear.

    I’ll know a bit more by Monday night and then I guess even more after tissues get tested.

    I’ll be commenting here a bit tomorrow but I’ll be otherwise preoccupied Sunday and Monday. Tuesday I hope to be back on the blog. Wish me luck!

  18. R, no reefer. But I did have MSNBC on in the background which does cause hallucinations.

    It’s called a typo.

    “but as president it would NOT be his (or the government’s ) place to make that determination.”

    You were confused? Gimme a break Sorry to criticize your beloved outlet.

    R, I understood what he was saying. MSNBC (like you ) say he wants his cake and eat it to. OBVIOUSLY he was inartfully differentiating the role of government from personal beliefs. He is after all really a libertarian. Your friend Crazy Larry was trying to make him sound like he just said Guam was going to tip over.

    That’s as “un-snarky” as I can be with MSNBC drilling into my brain. The sneering, sarcasm, fake nervous laughter, feigned confusion and crooked smiles that define everyone of them takes its toll.

    You think the Romney and Rubio business is legitimate commentary? Pass the dutchie. . . 😆

  19. My knees are killing me. Puddles of watery pulp surrounding the dust of bone on bone, absent of any cartilage.

    The cortisone shots, occasional opiate and over hundred games of softball this season have caught up with me.

    I walk with two hands on the bannister and then some how play basketball in the mornings.

    Screw alchemy. If any one could create living cartilage in a lab it would be worth 100 times it weight in gold.

    My upper body is on par with a college linebacker’s. But my damn knees!!!!

  20. The Romney illegals thing is a joke. The best thing you could say is that the rich guy is aloof to who makes up the employees of contractors,I’m sorry but I doubt anyone that exists here at RL isn’t guilty of the same damn thing.
    The Boston Globe was pretty aggressive in pursuing Mitt while he was trying to be aggressive towards the illegals in the Bay State. The big deal there was his authorizing the MA State Police to profile and detain illegals. The Boston Globe and other leftist entities knew in their elitist arrogance that if they went to chez- Romney and photographed a tan man on the lawn they’d have him in a pickle.
    I went to an excellent Italian restaurant last night,not for nothing I’m sure ICE could’ve found one or two folks in violation and not just of latino standing.
    Same could be said of any of the Irish joints in Southie and don’t get me started on the Russian labor force in Allston/Brighton. Then there are the Brazilian population in the 495 tech area.
    Illegal immigration is a huge problem but they are also a largely invisible group be it from the right or left.
    On this one Rutherford you are chalking one up in the L column.

  21. First off I’m shocked you were vacant on the power of the “Birth of a Nation” heading. Ya live and learn.
    Along those lines though you should probably do a butt load of research (no pending colonoscopy joke there-really) on the Party you admire. They are big on R2P and the Libya thing is huge HUGE HUGE on this.
    The real sins here is the proponents of R2P look to the Libya thing as a textbook application. Sadly it was always more about French politics with a dash of Italian and British too and a total desire for €’s and £’s . to be clear the same proponents disavow the Iraq War and toppling of the Taliban as a case study in the positive.

    A recap of the Libyan affair as well as the failed Iraq/Afghanistan Wars has put us on the following path:
    Islamic states pending in Egypt and Libya.
    Iranian hegemony in the ME via a the Iran,Iraq Syrian tri-Axis.
    Unstable Pakistan exposed to further strife.
    Israel,Saudi Arabia and Turkey will now be our best shots for stabilty.
    India needs a friend,we should be that friend.
    Lets see where the R2P crowd goes with that new reality.

  22. Lastly…
    good luck on your appt.
    On the side it is open enrollment at my place. My monthly premium is going up $100/month and I’m loosing various %’s. This is in direct response to the implications/complications brought about by ObamaCare.
    So yes indeed I get to keep my doctor,I just have to pay more,get less and deal with it.

  23. I just have to pay more,get less and deal with it.

    Pretty much the way everything else “American” has gone for the past several decades. Also the way health insurance has been going along with it even before the present “reforms”.

    But you can blame Obama like the rest here do. I go to the grocery store and notice the prices have jumped about 30 percent from the last time I was there. Probably a result of Obamacare. 🙄

  24. Pools I can only tell you that I can track the listed realities directly to OC. The usual increases have been accounted for outside of my listed grievances.
    How I am insured has actually always been outside the impacts of Romney Care btw.

  25. Otherwise known as ethanol subsidies, drilling permatoriums, and printing money with reckless abandon while monetizing our debt.

    But its cool. If they didn’t cook the books on how they now compute inflation and unemployment, you’d realize just how screwed we all are.

    Hoax and chains, Baby! Hoax and chains.

  26. Minimum wage has not kept up with cost of living increases. But yeah, I’m not really a proponent of a federal set minimum wage. States should decide.

    Unions have basically been rendered powerless in most job positions. They don’t have as much pull in the market.

    I can track the listed realities directly to OC

    I’m certain it too is related to the decline in value and global standard of the US dollar. Look to the money changers who have no national allegiance. If you’re a vet (I think you had said so) your benefits have been systematically reduced by your “representatives”. They aren’t done taking it away, either.

    Insurance premiums have to cover new categories, ie: drone attack.

  27. “Minimum wage has not kept up with cost of living increases”

    Which is why I listed other factors.

    “Unions have basically been rendered powerless in most job positions. They don’t have as much pull in the market. ”

    We aren’t talking about “most job positions,” we are talking about food market employees. I don’t know what it’s like in other states, but in CA they either strike or threaten to strike every couple years and as recently as a few weeks ago.

    It’s real simple….when the grocer is forced to pay more for labor, he passes the costs onto us.

  28. Just to be clear, I DON’T think Romney is responsible for “illegals” working his property. That rests with the vendor. My amusement was confined to Romney’s preoccupation with the appearance of things and not the principles.

  29. Thanks to BiW, Poolman and others for your good wishes. Even though prayer does nothing for me I like to think that when believers pray it adds to the overall positive vibe. So, in short, thanks for your prayers. 🙂

  30. “Just to be clear, I DON’T think Romney is responsible for “illegals” working his property. That rests with the vendor. My amusement was confined to Romney’s preoccupation with the appearance of things and not the principles.”

    When unable to talk bad about the action, talk bad about the motives.

  31. “When unable to talk bad about the action, talk bad about the motives.”

    Or give the old liberal tried and true “false but accurate.”

  32. Good “R”, finally taking Dr. Taylor’s advice. About a year overdue, but what the hey. If it is death you fear, wouldn’t it be best to find it quickly and deal with it?

    I noticed your bowel problems starting exponentially getting worse, correlating at or near 100% with Al-Poolman’s arrival to your board. Could be stress, could be just the hemorrhoids Al-Poolman gives all of us. 😉

    I don’t think you’ll find cancer, unless you haven’t been totally open about the symptoms. You might find benign polyps or something, but if I was betting, think you’ll get a clean bill of health on “that end.” I think once the “probing” is done, you will find you are glad you did it.

    Start ruling out what it is not. And I will be thinking about you. I may be in and out of pocket, or here all week. For the second time in a year, my house is a mess because of wood floors.

  33. “I think once the “probing” is done, you will find you are glad you did it.”

    Hell, one in ten enjoy it!

    (good luck with it. Let us know if they find your head :lol:)

  34. Minimum wage has not kept up with cost of living increases. But yeah, I’m not really a proponent of a federal set minimum wage. States should decide.

    States DO decide. That’s why it is a ridiculous $9.04 an hour here in Washingtonistan when the next increase goes into effect.

  35. OBVIOUSLY he was inartfully differentiating the role of government from personal beliefs.

    That dear Tigre is the whole point. He is personally pro-life … but big deal … as long as he says government should not be involved then he is by definition, politically speaking, pro-choice. And that as you well know is the kiss of death for GOP nomination.

    Then again, within the same interview with John Stossel he said abortion should be illegal. So honestly, I have no idea what he really thinks. And I don’t think you do either.

  36. Alfie thanks for the link regarding R2P. Embarrassed to say I never heard of it before.

    As long as R2P is applied to countries who have something we want (like oil) our intervention will always be suspect.

    Plus, if R2P is really going to be our strategy, we’re going to be at war an awful lot of the time.

    Will Syria be next?

  37. This is in direct response to the implications/complications brought about by ObamaCare.

    Alfie I think you’ve pointed out one of the flaws in ObamaCare. ObamaCare should not be instituted in states that already have a comprehensive health care solution like MA.

    I’m surprised MA hasn’t applied for a waiver … or taken it to court. Have they?

  38. R, on a scale of 1 to 10, how uncomfotable are you compared to the normal shit you deal with?

    I love the choice of words … it’s the sh*t that’s not normal. 🙂

    Today for example, I am at about 9.5. Ironic as hell, I’m spontaneously doing what my cocktail scheduled for tomorrow night is designed to make me do. In all likelihood I’ll be feeling better right in time to drink the cocktail and start the whole process all over again,

    But in all seriousness, I do like the way you phrased the question because when you have permanent disabilities, you DO establish a new normal.

  39. R, I don’t have the energy to correct you. I understood his point. As always you have replaced your point with “Crazy Larry’s. I know what was said and meant. It wasn’t even a Stossel interview they were discussing. How you can stand to watch MSNBC is beyond me. Bottom-feeding crap throughout.

  40. I noticed your bowel problems starting exponentially getting worse, correlating at or near 100% with Al-Poolman’s arrival to your board. Could be stress, could be just the hemorrhoids Al-Poolman gives all of us. 😉

    LOL that’s classic. Sorry Poolman that you were the butt of that joke, so to speak. 😉

  41. I feel like I’m on death row. I’ve ordered chicken parm for my “last supper” tonight. Tomorrow, it’s liquid diet all day and Monday, complete fasting (not even water). 👿

    Hey Rabbit, wanna trade those knees for my guts? 😉

    P.S. Then again, you’d really get the short end of that stick since I’d just be adding aching knees to already dysfunctional legs.

  42. LOL Tigre, I doubt one in ten enjoy getting it from someone THAT well endowed if you catch my drift.

    For your sake, I’m hoping they find some original smart GOP ideas for saving our country up there. 😉

  43. That’s why it is a ridiculous $9.04 an hour here in Washingtonistan when the next increase goes into effect.

    WOW, a whole nine bucks and change. You can live real large on that!!! And to think we have poor folks in this country! 😐

  44. Hemorrhoids, eh? I guess that’s one way to grow on you. 😆

    But I can’t really be blamed for your sphincter issues, involuntary or otherwise. Nor really for any of the fleshly manifestations appearing in those specific regions. Temperament, diet, genetics, and the level of hydration and daily exercise are the likely factors contributing to any problems.

    Now as to stress… Maybe a little. Upsetting the “norms” and shaking up the peeps? Maybe. But it’s important that people wake up. Besides, what goes into a man is not evil. What comes out however, can be. So take it all in and analyze it. That’s what we do.

  45. Tigre, I haven’t even seen Crazy Larry’s rant. I’ve seen two clips. One with Piers Morgan and another with John Stossel.

    “That’s her choice, that is not government’s choice.” But for that sentence his interview with Stossel MIGHT have made some sense.

  46. “I don’t believe government should make that decision.”

    Stossel: “So abortion should be legal?”
    Cain: “No abortion should not be legal.”

    Well if abortion is illegal Tigre, then government is making the decision.

  47. I don’t get Stossel’s either.

    In any event, I was commenting on MSLSD. My criticism was not dissimilar to the one I had for the Romeny gaff.

    I’m pretty sure I understand the points. Whether you disagree with them or not is besides the point anyway. It’s the BS efforts to mischaracterize them I take issue with. Same goes for Rubio. Remember the topic?

  48. I don’t think Cain is retarded.

    Is it possible he recognizes the limits of the executive branch in answering these questions?

    It was the Piers Morgan interview they were discussing.

  49. R, as I watching your MSNBC friends, I just couldn’t escape an observation that I don’t think you have honestly addressed when it comes to Cain. That is, his popularity among conservatives seems to fly in the face if the accusations of racism form the left when it came to Obama.

    Cain from what I see is being judged on every other factor other than his race. I don’t mean that it’s not noticed. But I do mean that if he doesn’t win the nomination, and it’s most probable he won’t, it won’t be because of his race. This doesn’t surprise me either.

    Although this belongs in the last thread, I was thinking about (yes obvious) while listening to the morons at MSNBC who would L-O-V-E to accuse the right of racism — and the treatment of a Cain should be their opportunity — but they’re coming up so empty their silence is deafening. Has it struck you?

  50. Cain is trying to wing it and he is failing miserably. Every day he has to come out and try and explain away his contradictions. He reminds me a lot of 2007 Obama. Fumbling to try and say what he thinks people want to hear.

    I hope whoever is getting polled these days wakes the hell up.

  51. It’s the BS efforts to mischaracterize them I take issue with. Same goes for Rubio. Remember the topic?

    I’m not quite sure where you see mischaracterization.

    Cain contradicts himself.
    Romney uses language that implies he only cares about immigration when someone’s looking.
    Rubio tells a family history that is flat out false.

    Those are facts, not mischaracterizations. Now each can be spun to put all these guys in a positive light. I don’t deny that. We both know MSNBC ain’t gonna do that kind of spin. In my prior comments I’ve readily admitted how Rubio could have thought he was telling the truth. As for Romney, it was a hilarious way to put things that makes him look insincere (you can’t deny that). And Cain … well heaven help him and his apples and oranges! 🙂

    Is it possible he recognizes the limits of the executive branch in answering these questions?

    That would be fine if he didn’t use the generic word “government”.

    As for Cain and racism. Of course the silence is deafening concerning his race because for one thing, he hasn’t (to his credit) run a racial campaign. There is the observation (made by Bill Maher and others) that Republicans like to embrace Cain as proof that all those other Negroes really are lazy … cos Cain is successful and told them all to get a job. 🙂

    To be honest Tigre, the more I think of it, Cain’s acceptance seems to me a greater stride in civil rights than Obama’s. When folks cheer Cain they ain’t looking for the second coming of MLK. They want a simple, declarative message that expresses their frustration and they don’t care if it comes from a black guy. That’s actually pretty refreshing.

    And no … Cain will not be the nominee but it will have nothing to do with race. It will be because his ideas are half-assed and he has no ground game.

    Returning one moment to Cain’s “your unemployment is your own fault” meme, I found out something very interesting about Cain yesterday, Apparently for the past few years he has made a lot of money as a motivational speaker. So one can put his seemingly cold comment in the context of someone who goes around the country telling folks they can succeed. Very interesting.

  52. Damn, hope you aren’t in too much agony, R.

    Thanks Rabbit …. no dude, for a skinny runt, I am pretty tough. There’s a lot more inconvenience than actual pain.

    I’ll drink a toast to you dudes tomorrow at 6pm CDT when I drink my first “cocktail”. 🙂

  53. “Thanks to BiW, Poolman and others for your good wishes. Even though prayer does nothing for me I like to think that when believers pray it adds to the overall positive vibe. So, in short, thanks for your prayers” – R

    A butterfly sneezes and God turns his head. Just imagine how the prayers from your vast circle of friends are reverberating in His ears tonight. I add my voice to the chorus. Good luck R.

  54. R, the reason race isn’t an issue when it comes to Cain is that the right ain’t the racists you MSNBCers like to believe and contend. Period.

    (Thorazine, before you get started, obviously there are racists that identify with the right and we’ve been through this with the OWS, so you can spare us the sophomoric exercise).

    Since Obama sure as shit ain’t responsible for “repairing ” race relations, what you are witnessing exists despite the efforts of the left (to claim the allegations as their own to quiet their opponents). Of this I am sure.

  55. So I have two men on the ground at the NYC OWC.

    One guy is my hedge fund buddy, the other is a liberal Navy buddy.

    Both reports are exactly the same.

    There is no such thing as OWS.

    Not in a political sense.

    For one, its been exaggerated in terms of numbers.

    The people there are mostly aspiring folk singers.

    Will there be some unorganized large protests when its warm outside?

    Probably.

    However, these clowns are an embarrassment to Obama.

    Kumbaya motherfuckers.

    Like I said before, let your freak flag fly and enjoy the show.

    The only thing that legitimizes these hipsters are conservatives frantically disassociating the Tea Party from them.

    The real OWS movement won’t happen until this country realizes that they are taking on the risk of trillions and trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars of derivative side bets that are purposely kept hidden for the TBTF game. And they won’t get that until the mother of all bubbles pop.

  56. And as discussed earlier. the sweeping up has begun….in Chicago of all places. Too funny. Rahm was initially hesitant but in the end decisive and supportive of the rule of law.

  57. Ah, what about his mama being denied health insurance coverage.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/14/ann-dunham-book-health-insurance_n_898192.html

    Or being shot at while deboarding a helicopter. . .

    Sorry R. Cain I get. His explanation confusing? Yes. Do I think understand his point, yes. Will he lose the bid for nomination? Yes.

    But the Romney/Rubio crapola? Anyone with a brain (that excludes MSNBC viewers) knows how lame these non-issues are. They warrant no discussion whatsoever — unless the only objective is to avoid disucssion of their failed messiah.

  58. “Can somebody here advise me why we are trying to help these godforsaken people?”

    Because the president of Afghanistan doesn’t represent the entire country any more than the president of the United States does.

    I wouldn’t put much stock into Karzai’s strong-man posturing. He has to put up this front to prepare for our eventual departure.

  59. Yeah I agree with Huck re Af/Pak.
    I was wandering through some India news outlets this a.m. following the Gibson guitar raid story and Pakistan is staying true to its FP base. Seems there was recent capture and return of an Indian helicopter & crew.
    So I think its safe to say Karzai is playing to an ally he needs who clearly still has a focus on the other border.
    Karzai was cozying up to the T ban but the latter screwed the pooch when they whacked Rabbani .

  60. Because the president of Afghanistan doesn’t represent the entire country any more than the president of the United States does.

    Wish I believed that true. I think wipe away the supposed good will, and Karzai’s opinion would be the vast majority opinion of Afghanistan’s citizens. I no longer hold any sympathy like I once did for that hell hole. Not worth another dead soldier.

    I wouldn’t put much stock into Karzai’s strong-man posturing. He has to put up this front to prepare for our eventual departure.

    Probably. Let’s demonstrate words have consequences to the thug, gather every weapon possible, and let this hellhole rot. This nation building is a waste of time in the Islamic world. This is not civilized Japan or Europe – it’s not even Vietnam or Cambodia. It’s prehistoric, and as long as it is tribal under the guise of Mohammad’s evil and false religion, it will remain in the Stone Age.

  61. We’ve now got the technology to monitor Afghanistan. We could build thousands of Predator drones for the price of this war. There is absolutely no reason to offer Afghanistan’s assistance. There are far more deserving, strategic places to offer assistance.

    I recognize this may be a minority opinion, but I think this pursuit in Afghanistan is foolish.

  62. Poolman, if America had left it to imbecilic cowards like you, America would have had a SS jackboot on every street corner and working paddy fields for the emperor.

    Are you going to live you’re entire life never figuring out you’re useless?

  63. “I think wipe away the supposed good will, and Karzai’s opinion would be the vast majority opinion of Afghanistan’s citizens.”

    Afghanistan does not enjoy the level of nationalism required to make Karzai’s words mean much. Afghans fighting against the US in Afghanistan is not the same as Afghans fighting against the US in Pakistan.

  64. 😆 Poolman, you’re such a brick.

    Have you ever heard of the Gulf War dummy? Of course we went to war to stabilize middle eastern oil fields. So did 40 other countries. You think you found some nugget of new information with what Bolton says in that video?

  65. “I recognize this may be a minority opinion, but I think this pursuit in Afghanistan is foolish.”

    While I would prefer to use “futile” over “foolish,” I am inclined to agree. That area is not into central authority.

  66. Afghanistan does not enjoy the level of nationalism required to make Karzai’s words mean much.

    I thought I remembered this, so I looked it up to make sure.

    It is estimated that more than three-quarters of Afghanistan’s nearly 12 million registered voters cast ballots for Karzai in Afghanistan Presidential election in 2004. I would say in my opinion, that makes Karzai a pretty good representative of the national opinion.

  67. Futile works for me. Of course a fighting a futile war, is the height of foolishness in my book.

    I guess it was/is futile for some. The Opium traders and the weapons dealers made out like bandits. 👿

  68. “It is estimated that more than three-quarters of Afghanistan’s nearly 12 million registered voters cast ballots for Karzai in Afghanistan Presidential election in 2004. I would say in my opinion, that makes Karzai a pretty good representative of the national opinion.”

    And Mubarak got 88% in 2005. Do you think he was a good representative of Egyptian national opinion or do you think those election figures are a bit…suspect?

    It is also worth mentioning that “nearly 12 million” people is not even 1/2 of the population of Afghanistan.

    If Karzai truly represented the national opinion, then our nation building efforts have been an overwhelming success.

    And I think we can all agree that is not the case.

  69. “Futile works for me. Of course a fighting a futile war, is the height of foolishness in my book.”

    That’s certainly fair.

    But “foolish” speaks to me as motive, as in “We were foolish to try that.” While “futile” speaks to me as effort, as in “We were right to try but it is a futile attempt.”

    Just parsing words….

  70. And Mubarak got 88% in 2005. Do you think he was a good representative of Egyptian national opinion or do you think those election figures are a bit…suspect?

    Of course they are suspect. There’s no doubt Karzai corrupt and for all intents an educated thug like Mubarak, elected by the mob – but Karzai is at the very least, the defacto leader of Afghanistan. Are you going to tell me that Karzai’s voice for a declaration of allied war carries the same weight as the burka on the street? Plus Huck, I can virtually guarantee within the next few years, Mubarak will look like Abe Lincoln vis-a-vis the new Egyptian adopted leadership – Ayatollah Pharaoh. Order is already breaking down and chaos is sure to ensue in the next several months. America will rue the day Mubarak was booted.

    It is also worth mentioning that “nearly 12 million” people is not even 1/2 of the population of Afghanistan.

    Actually, assuming 80% of the population adult and allowed to vote, that’s about on par to an American Presidential percentage election of eligible voters. Frankly, I was shocked they could find 12MM to vote, considering the prehistoric communications of that stone age culture. And before you ask me do I really believe 12MM unique voted, I suspect in resembled an Obama ACORN election of the legacy vote. 😉

  71. “Are you going to tell me that Karzai’s voice for a declaration of allied war carries the same weight as the burka on the street?”

    I’m saying it doesn’t carry the weight for which you are giving it credit. If it did, then we have already won.

  72. America would have had has a SS jackboot on every street corner and working paddy fields a slave labor force for the corporate emperor ire.

    …in 1979, Congress began a process of deregulation to restore private sector involvement in prison industries to its former status, provided certain conditions of the labor market were met. Over the last 30 years, at least 37 states have enacted laws permitting the use of convict labor by private enterprise, with an average pay of $0.93 to $4.73 per day.

    Federal prisoners receive more generous wages that range from $0.23 to $1.25 per hour, and are employed by Unicor, a wholly owned government corporation established by Congress in 1934. Its principal customer is the Department of Defense, from which Unicor derives approximately 53 percent of its sales. Some 21,836 inmates work in Unicor programs. Subsequently, the nation’s prison industry – prison labor programs producing goods or services sold to other government agencies or to the private sector — now employs more people than any Fortune 500 company (besides General Motors), and generates about $2.4 billion in revenue annually. Noah Zatz of UCLA law school estimates that:

    “Well over 600,000, and probably close to a million, inmates are working full-time in jails and prisons throughout the United States. Perhaps some of them built your desk chair: office furniture, especially in state universities and the federal government, is a major prison labor product. Inmates also take hotel reservations at corporate call centers, make body armor for the U.S. military, and manufacture prison chic fashion accessories, in addition to the iconic task of stamping license plates.”

    Some of the largest and most powerful corporations have a stake in the expansion of the prison labor market, including but not limited to IBM, Boeing, Motorola, Microsoft, AT&T, Wireless, Texas Instrument, Dell, Compaq, Honeywell, Hewlett-Packard, Nortel, Lucent Technologies, 3Com, Intel, Northern Telecom, TWA, Nordstrom’s, Revlon, Macy’s, Pierre Cardin, Target Stores, and many more. Between 1980 and 1994 alone, profits went up from $392 million to $1.31 billion. Since the prison labor force has likely grown since then, it is safe to assume that the profits accrued from the use of prison labor have reached even higher levels.

    There’s your new world job slots.

  73. “LOL Tigre, I doubt one in ten enjoy getting it from someone THAT well endowed if you catch my drift.”

    Well, see what you can do to level the stats! 😆

    Good luck with it. Maybe they’ll find Hoffa.

    I’m reaching that age where I am on deck, so consider it gallows humor.

  74. Talk Talk were a Duran Duran type new wave band of the early 80’s.

    Walked away from their success and put out what I’m told are two Christian inspired albums completely devoid of their former style.

    The critics hated it at the time.

    They quit being rock stars, refused to tour.

    Those two albums are now regarded as classics, their reissues getting perfect scores by the music snobs.

    I have no idea what makes this song Christian, but I know a Miles Davis vibe when I hear it.

    Some alternative Christian music for R during his tough time:

  75. Woah…how did that happen…too videos at once?

    Didn’t mean to do that…..both are considered Christian and both, 20 years later…..are making critics gush, after all the hate.

    I like the second track

  76. Well Poolman. For 20 years I worked in corporate America. And there’s some legitimate beefs about cronyism, nepotism, double standards, sexism, misandry – people taking advantage. That’s human nature and has existed since the dawn of man.

    But I know this. I was pretty well established from middle level management on down, after working my way up from the college bottom. I shared in the benefits toward the latter part of my career, like stock options and bonuses – not million dollar ones.

    And I can’t think of a one of my peers that would have hired somebody of your limited capability. And most of them were very good people and very capable people, well liked and well respected.

    So maybe the biggest problem for you ain’t corporate America, if you get my drift. Maybe you didn’t have what it took to cut the mustard. 😉 Perhaps you should have applied for the mail room.

  77. Corporate America pays my wife 50 grand a year to work from home.

    Thank God for Corporate America.

    You get fucked over even worse by small business, sometimes.

    I one time provided the entire scrapping crew for a huge roof job. Tore off 300 square of triple layer shingle….and then got stiffed on the pay.

    They left me to tell a crew of 6 guys that they aren’t getting paid. Not to mention I didn’t get paid.

    I ended up having to risk a massive beat down, walk right into the dude’s house and threaten to decapitate the guy’s parrot. (Not making this up).

    I had a 20 minute stand off. They threatened to shoot me. (I knew they wouldn’t because they were Detroit firefighters.

    I ended up getting paid.

    Funny thing is I ended up working with a lot of the same guys the last two summers before the last.

    !0 years had gone on, why keep a grudge? Those guys were all family men now, as I was. Fuck it.

    Poolman, I know you know of other stories like that. This whole small business is Utopian compared to Corporate is total bull shit.

    The only difference may be how problems are resolved.

  78. Actually, my capabilities are far from limited. I am very picky about what I will do, though, and who I will work for. But I got plenty of talent. Here’s a limerick I just mustard up. 😉

    There once was an Okie named Tex
    Who sat through laborious sex
    When time came to shout,
    He’d always pull out
    And broadcast his views on the net.

    😆

  79. There are plenty of small business that are hell, rabbit. The bigger companies can cover the lunacy much easier. The small companies don’t have the capital or the manpower to hide stupid as well.

    I know of plenty crooked small businesses. There aren’t as many around anymore, at least not down here in Arizona with our suckass economy.

    There are traveling gypsies or similar contractors that go state to state after disasters. We had hail a year ago and that brought tons of roofers and car body repair people to town. They were going door-to-door. A slew of the roofing companies came and plenty were fly-by-night rip-offs. Insurance money draws them big time.

  80. It was my birthday today, boys. 38 years old.

    I’m middle aged. What the heck…..?

    You know, you never really grow out of the many flaws that you have…..you learn to cope with them, even defeat them day to day…..but, a whole bunch of “me” is the same “me” when I was 6 years old.

    Can I sit cross legged, yet?

    Smoke a pipe?

    Nope….still can’t pull it off…..I’m not that old, nor am I established.

    Maybe the worst thing that can happen is to become established. Maybe that’s when you turn old (no offense Tex).

    I still got the eye of the tiger, baby.

  81. There once was a rube named Poolman
    A dunce without purpose or plan
    When the business plan failed
    His life was derailed
    Left to stew with the Fat Grannies Klan

    Happy 38th Birthday Dear Rabbit!

  82. Happy birthday, rabbit. I hope it was a good day. At least you aren’t preparing for the same adventure Rutherford is. 😆

    I’m almost old enough to be your dad. 😯 I have a 36 year old daughter somewhere I have never met.

  83. “I like the second track”

    Me too. Reminds me of a mix between Traffic and the Doors. Happy Birthday man. Thirty eight is the new twenty eight. Don’t sweat it.

  84. Well R, we always knew you were full of shit, well, at least were…

    Hope the appt goes well, or at least as well as a flexible metal tube shoved up your ass can go.

    Speaking of shit, how could you post this and on my birthday no less. Really, it wouldn’t do Obama any good to mention the millions he’s raking in from Wall Street? Your head must have been up your ass at the time- its the only way you could have missed the obviousness of that comment. And if you think that little Romney comment isn’t going to hurt him, well, you are sadly mistaken. Romney will be beaten to death with that comment. I’m telling you, Republicans are just waiting for a real conservative to get some traction, then they’re gonna flock. Romney is last case at best.

    Dear dear Rabbit, happy birthday my friend. I didn’t realize our b-days were so close! I’ll tell you what, steel decks ain’t good for knees or backs. I have to go in for radio frequency ablation on Friday for my lumbar. It’s gonna be a blast, I can tell…

    Getting old sucks…

  85. Gorilla,

    How many of those sheeple standing in either one of those crowds do you figure could even put a drill bit in a keyless chuck? Heaven help us if they cower the doers into saying to hell with this country – we’re out, or we are retiring. I don’t know if I’m a doer, but that was my attitude about nine years ago. I feel like I was getting reamed at both ends.

    A shame, because there are some valid grievances the adults of America have with corporations and the banking industry. But most of these OWS bleating sheep are such lackeys and stoners, they certainly are not the ones to lead the charge. This ignornant old hippie NYU professor up there trying to relive his failed formative years? Putrid He’s the last person that needs to be on the stage. He’s a large part of the problem.

    I suppose I play a miniscule part of the blame for not taking a more active role in voicing my own grievances about many of these “fraternity boys” that head up many of these corporations. We do need to start laying some wood to their asses. But not the OWS way.

  86. Oh, and belated Happy Birthday Gorilla. For you:

    I’ve been following the Wall Street protests, in New York and elsewhere. I read as well of the Democratic Party’s sorta interest in turning the anger of a few into a left-wing Tea-Party-like movement of many.

    Against that background, I’ve also been counting up Barack Obama’s excuses (ATM machines are to blame and so are the tsunami, the EU, George W. Bush, the nine-month-old Republican House, the Arab Spring, the D.C. earthquake, and rising oil prices). He’s also growing his target list of various insults (everyone and everything from Clarence Thomas, Nancy Reagan, and the Special Olympics to fat-cat bankers, corporate jet-owners, millionaires and billionaires, and “the teabag, anti-government people”).

    Out of all that chaos, I think there are two constants that explain the Obama frustration and the current outpouring of invective at Wall Street, “them,” the affluent, and our capitalist system in general.

    On a wider political level, there is a growing realization that today’s brand of liberalism is really a form of slow societal suicide. We see red states recovering from recession; blue states are still broke. Greece is a mess; so is the entire anti-democratic, statist, and redistributive EU. . . . In sum, there is panic.

    http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/rage-on-and-on-and-on/

  87. G, assuming you’re referring to the illegal lawn care guys, that Romney comment will disappear. Old news. Not enlightening. The left will rant, but there’s bigger fish to fry.

    Now Biden saying we’re all gonna get raped if we don’t pass the Obama bill. . . reeking of desperation and comedy gold to boot. Too bad the lib media will shuffle past it.

  88. On that note, I have finished both the evening and morning cocktail. Could only get down three of the prescribed four 8 ounce glasses last evening. As for this morning, “I can’t believe I drank the whole thing”. (Only the older generation here will get that quote.)

    If it weren’t for the fact that this is the only way to detect serious troubles early, I would not recommend this to my worst enemy. Quite unpleasant.

  89. Most Afghans cannot identify the country on a map. Most have NO sense of national identity. Purely tribal.

    On another note, war correspondent Richard Engel says Iraqi government is corrupt and dysfunctional. There is no good time for us to leave. The country is probably doomed.

  90. Happy belated birthday to Rabbit and Gorilla.

    You wanna hear f*cked up? I discovered on Facebook Saturday that I had completely blown off my 2 year old nephew’s birthday. I’ve been so proccupied with the move and my lousy health that I completely forgot it. I felt 2 inches tall. Needless to say a belated present is en route.

  91. Tigre, damn you’re efficient. 🙂

    Regarding Romney, you’re too focused on left v right. This is a right v right situation and G is correct. Romney will pay dearly for any verbal gaffe. Why? Because 75% of GOPers don’t like him and several of his fellow nominees hate him.

    Perry has already put out an Internet ad with both “for Pete’s sake” and “there’s lots of reasons not to vote for me” in it.

    I’d go so far as to say that Perry’s only hope is continued Romney meltdown.

    P.S. I don’t know the details but apparently Cain is altering 9-9-9 so it makes more sense.

  92. R, I guess we’ll see. I think that the Romney issue is a bid “yawn” to the majority of the GOP, especially coming from Perry (or any of the others really).

    Oh he’ll pay for gaffs; just not this one IMO.

    I am no big fan of Romney, but I am confident he ain’t “melting down.” Stepping outside of the 24 hour vacillations (on news people watch and consider, i.e. NOT MSNBC) I don’t see where you’re coming from on that.

    But you agreeing with Gorilla on anything means one of you IS melting down. 😆

  93. I’m not much of a fan of Romney. Not because I don’t believe he is smart. He is. He looks pretty. He’s a good debater and well crafted. The gaffes are pretty miniscule in my book. The illegal immigration issue is bogus – if Romney is guilty so am I, because I’m sure the guys that put on my roof were probably illegal. I didn’t ask and they did a good job. Romney’s religion bothers me a little, but it is not an issue of division.

    My fear is that Romney appears to have some of the same shortcomings as Obama. Not as many and not as large. He’s certainly a better choice than Obama and a more qualified candidate. Romney is no radical – but I do fear he doesn’t understand real issue. Government is out of control.

    We need fundamental change in government, and I don’t believe Romney has the balls to implement the change required. Hope I’m wrong, because unless Romney has a meltdown, he is going to be the elected nominee to run against Obama.

  94. Tigre and Tex you’re not getting it. It’s not the illegals. As Tex says that could be any of us. It’s the specific phrase “I’m running for office for Pete’s sake. I can’t have illegals”. VERY bad wording from an authenticity point of view.

    Tigre you are right that this is the first time Romney has been flustered so no meltdown yet.

  95. All this stuff is for show anyway. These guys don’t give a crap. Just elect meeeeeeeee. Like that changes any gears. 🙄 Salesmen. Selling you that dream thingie.

  96. R, again, I understand the issue. Look at my #2. I stand by it. I think that was how it was heard outside of the mind-controlled MSNBC crowd. And even if it weren’t, it’s no big deal. There’s bigger fish to fry.

  97. Poolman, I’d elect a house cat over Obama. Given how and why you vote, stay true to your spiel and stay home please.

  98. You’re probably the toughest SOB I know, Rutherford. Hang in there, buddy!

    Regarding Romney’s comment…it won’t mean anything because he doesn’t have any real competition on illegal immigration.

    Cain can’t decide if he wants a fence or what kind it should be from day to day and Perry gives illegals in-state tuition and (according to Romney, I don’t know for sure) opposes voter ID. Compared to that, “I am running for office, I can’t have illegals working for me” is pretty small beans.

  99. Poolman, I’d elect a house cat over Obama. Given how and why you vote, stay true to your spiel and stay home please.

    😆 Amen. Better yet Poolman, “write in” Ron Paul on your ballot.

    ————

    “R”, I don’t disagree it was a poor choice of words from Romney. But Howard Dean’s primal scream was far more than a “Yeehaw”.

    I’m arguing right now with some guy about how this OWS kid is a rare bird. Don’t think so. I can walk down the halls of many public high schools and find millions of kids that look and sound just like them.

    Funny how different people’s perceptions are.

  100. “P.S. I don’t know the details but apparently Cain is altering 9-9-9 so it makes more sense.”

    I doubt Cain knows the details either. 😉 9-0-9, no tax for lower income brackets. Apparently he doesn’t understand that the portion of his plan being attacked as “regressive” is the sales tax, not the income tax.

  101. I think Rick Perry has really blown this illegal immigration issue. And besides being a poor debater (which surprised me), Perry frames his responses to the accusation to his own disadvantage.

    If Perry were more clever, or perhaps had better coaches, he could have handled the issue much more effectively by simply pointing out the fallacy of a state by state comparison concerning illegals – that is the demographics of the states are not comparable.

    Trust me on this one. Nobody is more adamant about fixing illegal immigration than Texas, because like Arizona, New Mexico, and California, Texas is the most impacted by crime and cost.

    I would be curious as to why the entire state legislature only counted four “No” votes against the subsidy. I would have thought the vote would be exactly the opposite, being Texas is a Conservative state. Perry has done an incredibly poor job of explaining why – and for that reason, he lost my vote. The vaccine was a doodah in my book.

  102. R – For all the bile the right has spewed at Obama the last three years, doesn’t it surprise you they’re throwing a wet noodle like Romney at him? I just don’t see that guy being the tip of their spear. Could we be in for some master plan to split the first ballot and have Palin or Rubio come waltzing in on a draft? Or are the Reps just shooting themselves in the foot?

  103. Am I the only one that finds Newt Gingrich the only professional quality debater on either side of the Presidential election aisle? In fact, I find most politicians so light in their debating skills to be laughable. Daniel Webster or Patrick Henry must roll in their graves anymore.

    I understand why Newt won’t be nominated – the baggage and the previous sins. But the man is far and away the best of the Republican debating cast, and would absolutely destroy Obama in an open forum. Obama is not a good debater – he’s a horrible debater. It’s that John McCain was so miserable, McCain’s rotten performance overshadowed that Obama is pretty slow on his feet.

  104. Thor,

    For all the success of the 2010 Tea Party which burns your ass to no end, and they rolled your ilk’s ass, in a national election, the “establishment” still pulls most of the strings. Romney is their candidate of choice.

    The establishment understands that all of those “red” states would vote for Charlie Sheen before they would vote for Obama. Unfortunately, that means the RINO establishment with the northeast persuasion still holds most of the cards unless a very dynamic Conservative candidate is in the running. Perry unfortunately doesn’t fit that bill. If Rubio were running, he would have already put this nomination in the bag.

    I have yet to witness a liberal that tries to defend the indefensible and abysmal epic failure of Obama like you. You’re going to get a sport’s hernia straining at that gnat. 😉

    If the election is truly a referendum on Obama, it’s a disgrace that this vote will even be close. A pox on America if they vote this sham in again.

  105. We’ve been hearing about illegal immigration for over 30 years. Even Ronnie gave them amnesty.

    The fact is that nobody on any side of any isle is going to do anything about illegal immigration that isn’t already being done. It’s a 3rd rail issue. Nothing more.

  106. We’ve been hearing about illegal immigration for over 30 years. Even Ronnie gave them amnesty.

    True. One of the few things I ever disagreed with the man about.

    The fact is that nobody on any side of any isle is going to do anything about illegal immigration that isn’t already being done. It’s a 3rd rail issue. Nothing more.

    Again true. The issue is not as simple as “deport them all”, and in fact, many of them I don’t want deported. They are far more conservative and family oriented by nature than progs. We can begin deporting progs immediately. 😀

    The Hispanics that do work and they are the vast majority, are the hardest working people on the planet, generally pleasant, and are little or no trouble – other than they have done a poor job of assimilation. And I would be doing the same if I were in their situation, but doing a better job of learning the native language.

    The problem lies with the small % criminal element. What I’m more concerned with, is who is crossing over the border with them? 😐

    Frankly, the borders of America are so big, I believe it a pipe dream to ever think we could get to 100% effectiveness in stopping it. Will tell you this in defense of the illegal immigration critics. My hometown had a nice, middle to lower middle class area not fifteen years ago, that has become in essence little Tijuana. And I do fault Mexicans for doing a poor job of not assimilating into the culture better. Not only is there now far more of a crime problem in that vicinity, but they turned the neighborhood into pigsty. The property values have dropped dramatically, and so have the public schools.

    I don’t have a great solution that would make everyone happy.

  107. Tex, I am with you on Newt. He’d make a good running mate or COS though.

    Immigration is the biggest-can-kicker going. The abortion and other social issues don’t mean shit either. It doesn’t matter which side.

  108. “…many public high schools and find millions of kids that look and sound just like them.”-Tex

    Yeah, they might look like them. But they are apolitical animals.

    Facebook, partying and playing Xbox.

    They aren’t spending their time at rallies nor will 95 percent of them when they are in college.

    Apathetic, maybe. Pinko? No way.

  109. Apathetic, maybe. Pinko? No way.

    Nah, the pinko comes from college indoctrination. Right now, just amoral slack jaws. 😉 But it’s a coming.

    —–

    Tigre, I agree. Whoever is the nominee would be a fool not to put Newt Gingrich either on the ticket, or as Sec. of State. Newt is the smartest politician going (when he can keep his pants zipped). Kind of the Republican Clinton, only even brighter than Clinton.

    It would be a hoot to watch Newt Gingrich debate Jolting Joe Biden.

  110. I think I’ll vote for Obama again, and you can vote for that house cat Romney. Or maybe I will write in Ron Paul. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

    We got a whole ‘nother year to play this mindless game. 🙄

  111. Newt is smart, but sleazy. Every time I listen to him speak, I feel I need to go wash up afterwards. I think he invented the word shill. If not, he perfected it. Reptile, I mean Newt knows he won’t ever get the nomination. Yeah, he’s probably the best brain you guys got. Too bad he can’t be trusted. But really, who can?

  112. From then mouths of babes.

    My 9 year old son after school today:

    “. . . at least they don’t make us tell them how great Barack Obama is all the time anymore.”

  113. You’re probably right Tex. I get blinded by my own area sometimes.

    OWS has no clout with teenagers at my school. While I work in a Republican enclave, the blue coller suburbs don’t go for that Pinko shit either. And blacks don’t give a damn about OWS.

    Outside of Ann Arbor. Michigan is a conservative state in few big ways. 2nd amendment, illegal immigration maybe abortion, where not so blue here. 2010 was rough for the local libs.

  114. Big shock.

    Yeah, I know. I have to decide early. Sometimes I procrastinate and have to hand deliver it on election day. But it’s convenient to be on the early voting list. I can fill it out at my leisure. 😉

  115. Watching it now Rabbit. Missed Saturday’s blowout, but I’ve seen about 90% of the rest of it. I’m torn. Dallas is about 150 miles closer, but Tulsa is just about dead center between the two on the same road. Tulsa was the Triple AAA farm team for the Cardinals for years, and they’ve got a huge following here, and I’m usually a National League guy. But I’m also a huge Nolan fan and Texas is the one American League team I like.

    Something cool for everyone:

  116. Tigre, why are you stressing it anyway? It doesn’t matter who the GOP nominates, you’re going to vote for him/her.

    Go to the booth, if you feel more patriotic about it. They always give you the little “I voted” stickers here in Arizona when you do. I hope those are made in the USA. I guess they could be being made in America by inmates. 😐

  117. Everything the Vatican said would be at least understandable if they’d go the extra mile and call out derivatives.

    Unfortunately, they sound like socialists.

    Derivative betting, in its current form, may very well be sinful.

    We have so many side bets out there in the shadows that a normal downturn guarantees bail outs.

    Or the Great Depression.

    Either that or I don’t know what I’m talking about.

    I’m constantly asking myself, am I nuts? Only to arrive at the same conclusion, Wallstreet has us hog tied.

  118. Quick update:
    Didn’t feel a thing.
    Looks like my troubles could be:
    simple IBS
    Ulcerative colitis
    Crohns

    I’ll know more in a week to ten days. For now, very glad the ordeal is over. Oh yeah … no polyps. 🙂

    I’ll be back on tomorrow.

    P.S. LOL my post-op procedures say not to make any important decisions for 24 hours. Glad tomorrow isn’t election day. 😀

    P.P.S. Sorry Tigre, they didn’t find my head or Jimmy Hoffa up there.

  119. “Still think these guys are great?” -G

    Good Lord. One of those guys is supposed to be the good guy?

    Grim videos all around, Gorilla. What are we looking at here, I wonder.

    😐

    Rutherford, good to hear from you. I hope you have the easiest possible time of it ahead of you with that stuff.

  120. “Tigre, why are you stressing it anyway? It doesn’t matter who the GOP nominates, you’re going to vote for him/her.”

    I want to be sure we don’t accidentally elect any Jews. 😯

    You can thank me later. 🙄

  121. “If the election is truly a referendum on Obama, it’s a disgrace that this vote will even be close. A pox on America if they vote this sham in again.” – Tex

    So you concede their is a chance? Why the chink in your armor? 🙂

  122. You mean like his parents meeting in Selma 4 years after he was born and his dad liberating concentration camps in WWII?

    I’m always amused by the tactic “but YOU did it first”. LOL Isn’t just easier to say, “yeah you’re right. Rubio’s got some splainin to do”?

  123. I’m clearly playing catchup today. I’m still pulling my jaw off the floor because hell has frozen over. Tigre quoted from …

    The Huffington Post

    I haven’t been this amused since Gorilla quoted from Salon.com 🙂

  124. Hat tip to Huck for enlightening me to the fact that birthers are equal opportunity racists. I never heard the business about Rubio. So now at least I have to drop the contention that birther = Republican. They’re even willing to eat their own just to be stupid.

    Speaking of stupid, looks like ‘ole Rick Perry is stepping in it by aligning with the Donald. You just can’t make this stuff up.

  125. Tex, on my nastiest foreign policy days, I say we should fly a few 2011 style Enola Gays over Afghanistan and Pakistan just for starters and drop the BIG ONE. Reduce them to rubble, wait for the radiation to wear off a bit, and then do some SERIOUS nation building from scratch.

    But like I said, that is my fantasy on my nasty days. 👿

  126. “Tigre quoted from …

    The Huffington Post”

    I had a choice, and I chose Huffpo.

    For you.

    On your day . . . of. . . penetration. 😥

  127. Better yet Poolman, “write in” Ron Paul on your ballot.

    I know you said this for a chuckle Tex, but just so I’m well informed … shouldn’t we expect Paul to be on the primary ballot in all 50? He’s pretty well organized.

  128. For all the bile the right has spewed at Obama the last three years, doesn’t it surprise you they’re throwing a wet noodle like Romney at him? I just don’t see that guy being the tip of their spear. Could we be in for some master plan to split the first ballot and have Palin or Rubio come waltzing in on a draft? Or are the Reps just shooting themselves in the foot?

    Thor I am stumped on this one. I look at the GOP debates and don’t see ONE serious contender. Maybe a younger, more honest Newt Gingrich might have had some juice? Jon Huntsman’s got the resume but the guy is quirky. Either yesterday or today on my beloved MSNBC, Joe Scarborough was marveling at how weak the GOP field was and why… oh… why, no heavy weight like a Jeb Bush would jump into the fray.

    What has happened to politics that we only get crazies and losers as nominees? It truly does resemble a friggin reality show.

    And Thor, to tell you the truth, I was contemplating another blog post about primarying Obama (a sequel to the first one I wrote) but the more I thought about it, the less successful I was at coming up with Dem primary candidates. Dennis Kucinich? Nope. If Anthony Wiener hadn’t been an a-hole, he might have been a good challenger.

    Our country is truly plagued with a shortage of true leaders. It doesn’t bode well for the future. 😦

  129. What has happened to politics that we only get crazies and losers as nominees?

    Because most people wouldn’t want Andy Sullivan spelunking in their uteruses, or having to have not just every aspect of their lives, but their children’s lives put on display in lieu of actually discussing policy, or having each and every minute of their lives scoured for evidence of RACISM! or any other perceived slight against someone exercising their mythical right to not be offended?

    Or maybe it is just the crushing double standard that allows a democrat any event in their past while an Republican candidate would never get the same mulligan in the eyes of the self-appointed congnscienti who make you the forth estate?

  130. My hometown had a nice, middle to lower middle class area not fifteen years ago, that has become in essence little Tijuana.

    This reminds me of a town in CT. When my wife and I were house shopping a couple of years ago hoping to reduce expenses and stay in CT, we stumbled upon this town with beautiful homes at dirt cheap prices. Sadly, my instincts kicked in and I asked my wife, “honey, on that town web site, how many blacks do you see?” The answer was .. a lot of them. Then a buddy of mine gave me the scoop. The town became a magnet AT FIRST for upwardly mobile educated blacks. But soon after, the rabble moved in and the upwardly mobile moved out. Property values dropped like a stone.

    It’s no wonder a good number of whites blame blacks (and other minorities) for their own misfortune. The track record really sucks. 😦

  131. Our country is truly plagued with a shortage of true leaders. It doesn’t bode well for the future.

    I don’t believe that.

    I think it has more to do with the fact that many of them would prefer not to have the family in the fishbowl with them. I’m not talking about Michelle campaigning for her husband (and saying stupid and offensive things while doing so) and THEN Teh Won crying foul when she was rightly criticized for it.

    I’m talking about the ones who might dress up and be on the podium with them, because we all expect to see that, and would have a diversion in their abscence but who don’t go out and campaign for them.

  132. I’d like to see something done regarding sanctuary cities.

    The only valid defense I’ve seen of sanctuary cities is that if illegals are afraid to report crime for fear of being deported, that hurts the crime fighting effort in a city. I think that defense is a decent one.

  133. The only valid defense I’ve seen of sanctuary cities is that if illegals are afraid to report crime for fear of being deported, that hurts the crime fighting effort in a city. I think that defense is a decent one.

    Or, since they are either magnets for this criminal activity, or bring it with them, you can solve the problem of their reluctance to report it, which contributes to the crime problem for EVERYONE, by shipping their asses back home.

  134. Newt’s problem is that his partisanship makes him a liar. He wanted a no-fly zone over Libya and when Obama got us involved in Libya, suddenly he wanted no part of Libya. But of course, adulterers are practiced liars.

    All you need to see is Romney nail Gingrich in the Nevada debate to see how Gingrich is willing to lie shamelessly.

    Nope. Newt’s a legend in his own mind. 🙂

  135. So you concede their is a chance? Why the chink in your armor?

    As Rutherford and I have always agreed, neither of us (for differing reasons sometimes) ever underestimate the stupidity of the American public in weak moments. Reality TV is all you need to see. After all, they voted for this massive fraud once and have suffered dire consequences. I grant the Left Coast, NY, most of the Northeast, and part of the Rust Belt are hopelessly lost – so you got to give a couple of hundred electoral votes up by default. We’ll let them rot away, assuming we win and they can beg for mercy.

    Every time I attend a sporting event, anything to do with a high school, the county fair, or take a trip to a Target or WalMart, I’m reminded why I don’t have a great deal of faith in the American populace.

    Really like the bumper sticker that says:

    We proved we aren’t a racist nation in 2008. Now prove we aren’t a stupid nation in 2012.

    That’s the chink.

  136. Well said Tex … now why don’t you apply that same logic to Muslims?

    In case that wasn’t a rhetorical question, when I hear the words “La Cucaracha” instead of “Allahu Akbar” as the planes fly into the buildings, we can talk. 😉

  137. 205 to lose jobs after Piper decides to mothball Altaire jet program.

    Obama bashes private jets, private jet sales then plummet, now a bunch of jet-making workers lose their jobs.

    YES WE CAN! Good job Brownie!

  138. “Ahhhhh I can see the Republican challenger now –”

    If you knew how sincere and innocent he was when he said it too. I think it speaks volumes. The indoctrination then most predictable disappointment . . .

    I asked early on why anyone should vote for Obama. I’m still waiting for an answer.

  139. Have to admit, I gulped when I read this one too:

    Holy cow! Who woulda thunk that the one-world economy and government would emanate from the Catholic church. And here I was worried about an American theocracy when it’s a full blown christian caliphate coming to a theater near you!

  140. I want to be sure we don’t accidentally elect any Jews.

    LOL only if Bloomberg runs independent.

    I wonder what, if anything, it says about America that we elected a black for POTUS before we elected a Jew. If you’d asked me five years ago, I’d have bet my last penny that a Jew would get elected first. I might have even guessed a woman first although that to me would have been a closer call.

  141. On your day of penetration… 😆 That was funny. Ghaddafi getting the old wooden colonoscopy. They could have at least found a broomstick, or something.

    Do figure GhaDaffy went through all the penetration Rutherford? His damn hair looked like it.

  142. Maybe the Catholic Church is going to open the vault and bail Europe out on the conditions that the Holy Roman Empire is reinstated and Northern Ireland convert to the one true faith.

    As a Jesuit plant, I’m now awaiting my orders from the infallible vicar of Christ to put poolman in a Basque genitalia stretcher until he confesses.

  143. Ok now that I see that was Gaddafi supposedly getting the stick it just adds to my conviction that this new Libya may not be such a good deal.

    I know this is blasphemy but maybe in the case of Libya, Egypt and Iraq those people had the leaders they deserved.

  144. As a Jesuit plant, I’m now awaiting my orders from the infallible vicar of Christ to put poolman in a Basque genitalia stretcher until he confesses.

    😆 I was thinking a stretch of solitary confinement watching constant reruns of The Goldbergs, with a strict diet of matzah ball soup, falafel and hummus, challah bread, bagels and lox, and Gefilte Fish for Shabbat.

  145. I know this is blasphemy but maybe in the case of Libya, Egypt and Iraq those people had the leaders they deserved.

    Blasphemy? Simple truth – pretty obvious the brutal, secular thugs were keeping the radical thugs penned. Anybody that is or was a moderate Muslim is doomed.

    Wait until sharia is adopted throughout the middle east (except Israel, who will of course be blamed for all the world’s ills). Syria is the next to fall, and I predict Turkey sometime thereafter. It will be interesting to see what happens to the corrupt Sauds – because you know there’s an ass kicking waiting in the wings.

    WWIII will be centered around Jerusalem. You watch.

  146. Because most people wouldn’t want Andy Sullivan spelunking in their uteruses …

    The gist of your comment BiW is that poor GOPhers get personally attacked by the vicious lib MSM and then you use a CONSERVATIVE commentator as your example. Kinda funny.

    You also have a very short memory. Clinton was accused of nothing less than murder when he ran for office. Sorry my friend, it’s tough out there for any candidate, not just Republicans.

    Besides, are you saying that crazies and losers don’t care about their families and what they have to go through? No, I’m afraid the answer is something beyond your easy offering.

  147. Or, since they are either magnets for this criminal activity, or bring it with them, you can solve the problem of their reluctance to report it, which contributes to the crime problem for EVERYONE, by shipping their asses back home.

    I’d love to see you support that with some facts. Could the truth be that most illegal aliens are law abiding “non-citizens” trying to make a buck, sending their kids to school and actually trying to stay below the radar? I wonder which conjecture the facts support.

  148. I never, ever want to read another comment about ANYONE else’s racism from you EVER again.

    Oh, you have so shamed me!!!!

    I’m a realist. There are two phenomena in this country that I’d be a fool to deny. One is “white flight”. White folks get damn nervous in some neighborhoods when blacks move in and off they go to “whiter pastures”. I’d say another phenomenon is “buppie flight” (damn I tried hard to find something to rhyme but I couldn’t 😦 ) Buppie flight is more a matter of class than racism. That was the case in that CT town. Certain black folk who hadn’t quite attained the same educational and vocational status started moving in and the buppies got nervous and fled.

    A great film to watch to understand that what I said goes beyond “racism” is “Trading Places” with Eddie Murphy and Dan Ackroyd. There’s a scene in the film where Eddie’s “friends” are over at the mansion basically acting ignorant. Eddie kicks them out. Not because they’re black … because they’re ignorant. And he’s discovered a more refined way of living.

    The truth is nobody wants to be around low class people besides other low class people. That goes across racial lines.

    By the way, there is a difference between recognizing the world as it is and hoping for a better one. When conservatives can’t offer one concrete idea to help make the world better for minorities or the poor, they can kiss my ass when they call me racist.

  149. I guess I’m just in a sick humor mood today but I cracked up picturing suicide hijackers singing La Cucaracha as they fly into a skyscraper. Tex, you are too much!! 😆

  150. Obama bashes private jets, private jet sales then plummet, now a bunch of jet-making workers lose their jobs.

    You’re kidding right? The pResident who can’t find his ass with both hands suddenly can influence the purchase of private jets with a few offhand comments? 🙄

  151. Hey Tex, I have a possibly stupid question for you. Since the bubble nebula is 7000+ light years away, aren’t we actually looking at the past in the present? In other words, it might not even be there right NOW. Or am I just stoned?

  152. I was thinking a stretch of solitary confinement watching constant reruns of The Goldbergs, with a strict diet of matzah ball soup, falafel and hummus, challah bread, bagels and lox, and Gefilte Fish for Shabbat

    We fought, we won, let’s eat…

  153. “When conservatives can’t offer one concrete idea to help make the world better for minorities or the poor, they can kiss my ass when they call me racist.”

    WT??

    Not mortgaging the country’s economic future, emancipating the lower and minority class from the dependency insisted by the left, enforcing immigration to ensure resources are available to those that have a legitimate interest in the. . .

    And what do you do?

    Run away from a black neighborhood claiming whites created an intolerable condition by leaving themselves. Accuse others of racism while claiming identical conduct on your part is reasoned class preservation. Fuck you.

    Charity starts at home, not the ballot box.

    I trust you are personally and directly involved in helping those upon whom you cast sympathy — and judgement — and use as a tool to attain your pretend moral high ground. If not, stick a sock in it.

    The type of “charity” you espouse is founded in the truest form of racism.

  154. Since the bubble nebula is 7000+ light years away, aren’t we actually looking at the past in the present? In other words, it might not even be there right NOW. Or am I just stoned?

    That is correct our Dear Rutherford. You are looking at the nebula 7000+ years ago. Mind boggling, isn’t it? I’m sure it looks quite different today, if you could beam yourself in its vicinity.

  155. I don’t know much about Syria but it seems to me Assad is long overdue for an ass-whupping.

    Everybody on that list deserves their own special day of “penetration.” I so badly wanted to vote for Chavez, but I figure cancer will finish him.

    I’m still laughing at that description – “day of penetration….”

    Sounds like a military conquest.

  156. @202 -Tex

    Isn’t it telling how much the imagery of a solar system forming resembles the ultrasound images of a baby human developing. No matter how far we look out or in, we are still seeing the face of God. Thanks for the reminder Tex. 🙂 BTW, I think space.com was the first site I ever put on my favorites list.

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