How To Produce Your Opponent’s Campaign Ad

Anyone who has been following the race for the GOP Presidential nomination has noticed that Mitt Romney, although the front-runner, just doesn’t seem to make his party happy.  So, the party keeps searching for someone with more of a pulse than Romney. Like clients of an online dating service, the GOP electorate reads the profiles and looks at the pretty pictures but then leaves the actual date dissatisfied. They’ve gone out with Donald Trump, Michele Bachmann and most recently Rick Perry and in each case the dating game did not result in a love connection.

With the odds 99.999% against Jeb Bush or Paul Ryan throwing their hat into the ring, only two names remain as possible alternatives to Mitt. One has repeatedly said he won’t run and the other repeatedly teases us that she might. However both have made statements on video that are tailor-made for their opponent to use should they decide to enter the race. Interestingly, their statements disqualify them for completely opposite reasons.

I’m Not Ready

New Jersey Governor Chris Christie has offered Barack Obama the best possible campaign ad imaginable. Just look at these quotes from Christie:

“I don’t feel like I’m ready to run.”
“First you have to have it in your heart, you have to want it more than anything else … I don’t want it that badly.”
“You have to believe in your heart and your soul and your mind that you’re ready and I don’t believe that about myself right now.”
“You have to believe in your heart that you’re ready to walk into the Oval Office and lead the nation and I don’t feel that I’m ready.”

The Governor has been consistent in his message and heaven help him if he changes his mind because his quotes will be played in a continuous loop by the Obama campaign.

The Presidency Isn’t Big Enough For Me

Now, every time Alaska half-Governor Sarah Palin opens her mouth she provides fodder for opposing campaign ads but her latest salvo really takes the cake. In an interview with CNN’s Greta Van Susteren, Palin suggests that the presidency is just a title and that the role might “shackle” her. She wouldn’t be free to be that maverick rogue that we’ve all come to know and love. This should not surprise us since four years ago Sarah wasn’t sure the Vice Presidency of the United States would be a productive enough job for her.

If Sarah runs, all the DNC has to do is replay her dismissal of the importance of the Presidency over and over again.

I have clearly chosen the wrong avocation. I need to go work for the Democratic Party because the GOP would make my job so easy for me.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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410 thoughts on “How To Produce Your Opponent’s Campaign Ad

  1. Rutherford making brash predictions is like Kirk Herbstreit picking you to win on college game day. You pray Herbie picks against you, because he’s invariably wrong and the kiss of death.

    I mean, Ben Cartwright’s widower extraordinaire kiss of death.

    My favorite Rutherford Lawson prediction is not the Conservative party going the way of the Whigs, but this one. Let us measure this man’s incredibly predictive capability with a spin down memory lane.

    😈

    Could a Little Sanity Kill the Tea Parties?

    I’ve been accused of being all over the place regarding the Tea Party movement. I have called them, in no particular order, ignorant, racist, unfocused and fraternity/sorority boys and girls simply out for a good time. The one thing I didn’t give them credit for was having a small dose of sanity within their ranks…

    …All you fans of this grass-roots movement can yell and scream until your faces turn blue. Until the Tea Party movement finds a leader and forgoes free-floating anxiety in favor of a well articulated platform, they will remain an entertaining and sometimes disturbing sideshow.

    https://rutherfordl.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/could-a-little-sanity-kill-the-tea-parties/#comments

  2. I saw this, and I had to share the news of the “success” with Rutherford:

    Unfortunately, some of TANF’s success has been eroded. Over the years, Senate Democrats have blocked reauthorization of the reform law, and states have used loopholes to evade work provisions. Beyond this, TANF is only one part of a behemoth federal welfare system that is now composed of over 70 different programs. Today, total welfare spending edges near $1 trillion annually, a 13-fold increase since the War on Poverty began in the 1960s.

    http://blog.heritage.org/2011/09/10/michigan-takes-on-welfare-reform/

    I think I found a big chunk of federal spending to cut…

  3. Small fry stuff, R.

    Personally, I’m apolitical for the time being.

    Game 1. Verlander vs CC.

    Epic show down on the mound.

    I had problems falling a sleep thinking about the Tigers.

    Can’t express how excited I am.

  4. What we’re seeing is evidence of the Peter Principle. At least Christie realizes it.

    These presidential campaigns are more like beauty contests or scripted “reality” shows, anymore. It’s all about the show. The media’s on cue and a part of the production, paid to present the practiced narrative their sponsors demand. A royal travesty.

  5. I’m actually going to watch that tonight Rabbit with some interest.

    I’ve never seen this Verlander pitch – he’s obviously pretty, damn good. And since I abhor the Yankees, I’ll actually be rooting for your team.

  6. Lol. Check out this Rutherford quote

    “Tex, admit it. Your Tea Party bunch was a mish-mosh from the start and never stood a chance of getting any serious political traction”.

  7. Could a Little Sanity Kill the Tea Parties?

    Thanks Tex for digging up this golden oldie. Damn I was on fire that day, pretty good piece if I do say so myself. I’ve lost a bit of my edge.

    My forecast wasn’t that far off. The Tea Party is still a bunch of unfocused loons. My only mistake was underestimating their ability to bring our government to its knees. It’s one reason I actually hope Christie DOES change his mind. If I read him right, he considers the Tea Party to be a bad joke.

  8. How to produce your opponent’s campaign ads:

    1. Beg for the job, then blame your failures on your predecessor.
    2. Burn through obscene amounts of borrowed money on a slush fund stimulous that utterly fails to perform as promised.
    3. Sign a bill taking over 1/6th of the economy, that could only be passed with dishonesty, behind closed door deals, and subterfuge.
    4. Install an AG who will racially polarize the DOJ.
    5. Screw secured creditors in taxpayer funded bailouts of auto companies.
    6. Give millions of taxpayer dollars to well connected donors for “green energy” boondogles that can only work if other energy sources are artificially priced out of the market. (Hey, the littel guy doesn’t need a fridge anyway. It isn’t like he eats wrugula.)

  9. I think it’s funny how Rabbit calls this small fry stuff and then moves on to more urgent issues like baseball.

    I had to laugh (or throw up) yesterday when I saw some baseball coach or maybe he was a manager or owner, crying at some press conference. I thought there was “no crying in baseball”.

    It’s a GAME. Get the f*ck over it.

  10. The best part is that The Party was created by and is a result of the miserably divisive and loony left. And now it’s your Tar Baby. 😆

  11. Rutherford, yeah brother – you have been on fire since the last Presidential election. xxoxox

    Those unfocused loons just sent 69 of your beloved goon squad of Dims into retirement last November – perhaps the only real 69 jobs Obama has created worth something.

    I don’t think Christie would be accompanying Nancy Reagan to the Reagan Library if he wasn’t on board with the Tea Party. If you haven’t figured out by now the Tea Party pretty much Reagan Conservative, then you haven’t pegged it right.

    And I might add, Gov. Christie, your darling Republican candidate, absolutely eviscerated Dear Barackie while on stage and without teleprompter. Or did you miss Crazy Larry going bonkers on MSNBC last night for Christie calling Obama amongst other things, an absolute failure?

    I think your perception about anything of importance is about the same now as it was then. Categorically wrong. 😉 We’ll see.

  12. BiC, what the hell is wrong with you?

    You grew up in Flint.

    Rooting for Detroit teams are not a troubling “choice” for us.

    Its our duty.

    Tigers are in the play offs, man. I know you know how big this is.

    This is only the 3rd time in our lives this has ever happened.

    There is no opting out, despite what your new tofu eating Oregon friends tell you at yoga class.

    Blood in, blood out, esse.

  13. Thor, Fake, Poolman, and especially John Maynard Rutherford. Congratulations on the summer recovery of 2011.

    Global Markets Suffer Worst Quarter Since 2008

    Looks like Obama is right on schedule. Just give him the ball…

  14. Rutherford, the post season has the potential to be more then a moderate economic stimulus for us.

    In ’68, the World Series brought a city at racial war with itself together.

    In ’84 we burnt the town down, exposing how fucked up we are.

    Families and friends will be coming together. Ill be hanging out with my ol’ man.

    Its more then just a game, dude.

  15. Rabbit,

    In truth, when I still paid attention to baseball (before I got fed up with crybaby millionaires striking all the time when they get to play a freaking game for a living), I was a Toronto Blue Jays fan, much to my grandparents’ chagrin.

    I got Ernie Harwell, and the Voice of the Great Lakes; I considered the Tigers losing to be the soundtrack of summer, and yes, as you probably do, I get misty when I hear audio of him now (you saw my post on his passing, right?).

    As for the Lions, I gave up on them the year they tried the three quarterback shuffle between Peete, Long, and Harbaugh, especially when Harbaugh, a fellow wolverine, proved himself the only one of the three able to take a hit.

    I still bleed maize and blue, which has been tough in the RichRod era, and the Wings remain my SECOND favorite hockey team. That’s really the most you can ask me for.

    Oh, and it isn’t OrAGone, its Washingtonistan, and for the record, the Mariners sucked this year.

  16. In ’84 we burnt the town down, exposing how fucked up we are.

    I remember. Good times, good times. A startling juxtaposition to “Bless You Boys”.

    Rabbit, I will say that I always admired Trammy, Looooooooou Whittiker, and Chet Lemon for remaining loyal and playing their entire careers in Detroit. You just don’t see that much anymore.

  17. Oh yeah. I forgot you were a Jays fan.

    I knew your tepid response on the Tigers wasn’t adding up. At least it makes sense…sort of.

    The Jays were the enemy back in the 80’s.

    I read your post on Ernie, it was great.

    What a voice and what a great person he was.

    Earnie was living proof that being a celebrity doesn’t mean you can’t be a humble Christian at the same time.

  18. BiC, I was trapped down there during that riot. I was scared to death. My Dad couldn’t get us way from the mob because of the burning flipped cars. I thought they were going to flip the family car with my family in it at one point.

  19. Ron Paul is tea party. Michele Bachmann is tea party. Newt chameleons champions their case. I’m surprised Perry hasn’t claimed establishing it. I think Palin has. The TP is all over the scale from strict libertarian to neoconservative with lots of interspersed wacko.

    Business has written off Obama. He can’t make anything happen. Banksters are running him. All he can hope for is that the past sins of republicans can keep him in office. Either way, business and empire wins. Obama can’t rein them in and they still control policy.

    Back to the tea party. It’s grass roots are more like libertarian. The corporate funding pushes the more business friendly takeover via privatization agenda that gives us the Perrys and Bachmanns.

    The press doesn’t like Ron Paul, yet he is probably the only one that may have a chance at holding the Fed, the Pentagon, and Wall Street accountable. He also is WAY AHEAD in campaign donations from active military personnel.

    http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2011/07/20/ron-paul-campaign-raises-most-donations-from-military/

    Support who the troops support. 😎

  20. I got to admit, I’m a little bit surprised by the author’s response or lack thereof to killing Anwar al-Aulaqi. As Joe Biden would say, “that’s a BFD.” I give Baroke O’Bama a twofer for turning up the Bush Doctrine. Kudos. I’m not sure this isn’t a bigger kill than UBL – just not as symbolic.

    Another jihadi gets his 72 raisins and an eternal reaming by the moon demon.

    Satan laughing with delight…Buddy al-Aulaqi.

  21. Yep Rabbit – Verlander has got some serious hops. How’d you like that 99mph hummer under the chin? That make your legs quiver next pitch.

    Damn weather sucks, though. I would think that would be hard as hell to pitch in.

    I ever tell you I played high school baseball against Roger Clemens? I only hit against him once that I remember – a weak ground out to second base. Roger was a year behind me and I played against him in a tournament. He could bring in high school too. I knew he was going someplace. He only got better in college at Texas.

    My two claims to fame: (1) batting against Roger Clemens; (2) getting to wrestle against Kenny Monday, Gold Medal winner. Got my ass handed to me in that one too. But he didn’t pin me – just maimed me permanently.

  22. poolman –

    I love The Royal Scam. A few years back I was building a Kitfox (experimental airplane) in my basement and I must have run that album around 500 times.

    My fave on it is “Don’t Take Me Alive.”

  23. Tigers were playing with tight butts. It looked like 06 WS all over again.

    3 lame throws. Jeeter should have been out.

    MLB has the post season run way too late in the year. Weather has too much influence.

    Verlander’s control was off.

    Tex, I didn’t know you wrestled.

    Toughest sport in highschool.

    I got thrown on my ass by a guy on my roofing crew who used to be a wrestler. Shocked me, as I was twice his size.

  24. I’m a player-manager in a baseball tourny on the 8th.

    We have absolute cannons for pitchers. 3 of my 4 pitchers are over 6 foot 5!

    However, I question if we can even muster a run due to my line up of softball players.

    Should be a fun/funny time.

  25. Nah, I wrestled in Jr. High and hated every minute of it. I had never wrestled and because I was a pretty good athlete in baseball and football, somebody talked my old man, who already lived his life through his son and burned him out, into ‘forcing’ me to go out for wrestling.

    I had absolutely no idea what I was doing, as most of these kids had wrestled since a young age. And if you know anything about wrestling, it doesn’t get any better than Oklahoma. Hell of a place to learn to wrestle. It was either overpower them, or stand there with my thumb up my ass pancaked on the mat.

    I did okay for not knowing what I was doing and actually made it to state my last year, but check out the two guys in my weight class and what I had to face. Kenny Monday may not have pinned me, but Mike Sheets did. Both went on to become collegiate All-American wrestlers and Olympic wrestlers, and Kenny Monday was actually world champion – and Sheets beat him. Both were unbelievable, even at that age.

    Check out what I had to face. Actually scares the hell out of me now to think I was on the mat with these animals. 😆

    —-

  26. When I was walking in the park near our house last weekend with the Mrs. Rabbit, I saw two teams that looked about my age playing baseball – uniforms, umps and everything. Looked like fun.

    I haven’t hit a baseball in 30 years. I wonder if I could still do it?

    In fact, I haven’t played softball in about 22 years. It’s hard to believe that much time has passed since I played competitively. I played flag football when I was about 30, but it was pretty obvious to me that I was starting to lose it even then.

    You can’t sit on your ass in an office and stay fit – that’s for sure.

  27. That’s old, old news Hickory. Ironic that you pull another loon site calling FOX News biased, yet continuing to use FOX as news source. 🙄 Scary to think how many hapless souls there are in America, completely dependent upon the nanny state.

    However, it is troubling in two aspects: (1) How we could be that disorganized that the Pentagon wouldn’t know; (2) how many million of rubes like you Hickory think these sudden jihadi syndrome types are simply misunderstood and it weren’t for all those Islamophobes like me, Anwar would have been a model Cub Scout.

  28. That being said, I have never come close to understanding scoring in wrestling.

    That’s how I felt watching curling at the last winter Olympics. I watched, and I watched some more, and concentrated, and listened to the announcers, and watched…

    Pretty cool you wrestled those dudes

    It is pretty cool to think you actually got to compete against greatness. It’s like stepping up to the plate and facing Nolan Ryan, or something.

    Are you old enough to remember Nolan, Rabbit? These new pictures do throw hard. But I swear to you, I never saw anybody that could bring heat like Nolan could. The guy was 40 years old and still throwing 98mph heat. When I was a teenager and Nolan was in his prime back in the early 70s, I once saw Nolan at an all-star game. I still remember standing there in awe.

  29. If you haven’t figured out by now the Tea Party pretty much Reagan Conservative, then you haven’t pegged it right.

    Keep up your comedy act. Reagan could not get nominated in this political climate. He wouldn’t pass the litmus test.

  30. I’m a little bit surprised by the author’s response or lack thereof to killing Anwar al-Aulaqi

    Just heard about it a bit earlier this evening.

    Hey Poolman and Pfesser, apparently your boy Ron Paul has a problem with our killing one of our own without due process. What say you?

    Personally, I say good ridden to bad rubbish. That mofo got inside the head of the Fort Hood shooter and totally f*cked him up. You don’t serve your country the way he did and then just turn on a dime and kill your fellow soldiers. I always felt Anwar was more culpable in that than the trigger man. I’ve been itching for Anwar to get his for a long time. The only thing worse than an al Qaeda member is an American traitor.

    From what I understand, the editor of “al Qaeda’s online magazine” got whacked too. WTF? They have an online magazine? What did they call it, “Better Bombs and Gardens”?

  31. I still occasionally play baseball with varying degrees of success.

    Ok here’s where my sports stupidity kicks in. What is the difference between softball and baseball? The ball?

  32. I’m with Ron Paul on this one. I have a problem with any killing. Especially this techno chicken shit newfangled way we’re doing it. Who has rights? This guys father appealed to Ceasar, but to no avail. All this to the delight of the pajama people.

  33. I was depressed last night so I called Lifeline. Got a call center in Pakistan. I told them I was suicidal

    They got all excited and asked if I could drive a truck.

    I shouldn’t laugh but that was funny as hell. 😆

  34. Huck — first video — touche.
    Second video — kinda dopey.

    Footnote, the “up next” video after the first one is titled “Obama admits he was born in Kenya”. Hope you’re not touting that one too. 😉

  35. The end of the 2nd video is stupid, but the substance within shatters your thesis that Cristie’s opponents will have but to play back his admission that he isn’t ready in order to knock him out of the race.

  36. Of course Huck there is a difference between someone saying I won’t be ready in four years vs someone saying I’m not ready NOW.

    As I’ve said before, if Christie runs now I think he will look the fool after this string of refusals BUT he is about the only possible GOP candidate that I would enjoy watching.

    One thing Huck that you and I might agree on … Christie’s famous comment about the Sharia law paranoids … he called them “crazies” 🙂 One of his finer moments.

  37. R –

    A softball is defined as having a 12″ circumference (about 3.8″ diameter) and a baseball 9 to 9-1/4″ (about 3″). The ball of string inside a baseball is wound tighter, so the ball is “harder.” Rules of the game are basically the same. Used to play a lot of softball but never played any baseball to amount to anything. The ball is so goddamned hard and small and goes so much faster when batted that if you are not on your game you’ll get hit in the mouth and lose your teeth. I think of baseball as being more for the pros and softball for the weekend warriors like me.

  38. re: killing an American citizen without due process.

    Wow………tough one. I am very disturbed by the idea, but if he were an enemy combatant, that would be a different ball of wax, since by any standard he would be fair game.

    I guess the decision would turn on whether he could be legitimately declared such an enemy combatant, and I believe he could.

    poolman?

  39. Speaking of campaign ads, this one is currently making the rounds and is pretty good.

    ” Twenty Five Years Ago We Had Ronald Regan, Johnny Cash and Bob Hope.

    Now We Have Obama, No Cash and No Hope”

    😆

  40. @ comment 48 it is called Inspire
    @ 41 That was freaking funny!!!
    @ Post. Americans are sadly too gullible and solid members of the short attention span sect to give you the satisfaction that your post plot is correct.
    I don’t like baseball but just to stick it to the NL and a jerk at work who loves the NYY’s I’m rooting for the Tigers

  41. Keep up your comedy act. Reagan could not get nominated in this political climate. He wouldn’t pass the litmus test.

    Dang Rutherford – your political instinct about bad news for liberals is second to none. Your political instincts for anything else are rotten.

    To borrow a sports line, “You couldn’t catch a cold.”

    I’ve heard that Reagan line at least 10 times this past week on MSNBC – which I have been viewing out of sheer boredom and for much needed humor – mainly so I will know who these characters are you keep passing as SME. I can’t look at Chris Hayes without puckering up. Chaz Maddow is so hyper, it is like watching a trapped bug on a screen. And Larry O’Donnell appears like he is on the verge of a stroke any second – veins protruding out of his neck and head, teeth clinched, foaming at the mouth. Every time I watch a Larry O’Donnell interview, I’m reminded of this scene:

    If Reagan couldn’t get nominated, why does the Republican Party keep searching for the 2nd coming of Reagan as candidate this election cycle?

  42. If Reagan couldn’t get nominated, why does the Republican Party keep searching for the 2nd coming of Reagan as candidate this election cycle?

  43. “The ball is so goddamned hard and small and goes so much faster when batted that if you are not on your game you’ll get hit in the mouth and lose your teeth.”

    Pfessor, you won’t believe this but competitive softball is more dangerous then when I play hard ball.

    I’m guessing you and Tex played softball in the era of aluminium bats, maybe even wood. Back then, dudes earned their home-runs.

    Those days are gone. Bats are now composite and sold in a form that they can be easily doctored. Pop the top off and shave the inside.

    The ball comes off the bat at the speed of a professional tennis player’s serve. When you consider the size of the ball and how close we are in soft ball, its like a cannon ball. Plus, a softball moves much more in the air then a straight forward baseball.

    Obviously the church league or rec leagues aren’t like this. But competitive softball is probably one of the most dangerous things you can do. It’s not uncommon to see the pitchers wearing a goalie mask. Sadly, its also not uncommon to read about deaths.

  44. There was once a time when we had an investigative MSM that would be salivating over a story as ludicrous as giving tons of guns to bad guys in Mexico, particularly a scheme tied to the White House?

    What the hell? And the MSM complains about bloggers?

    Get off your asses and investigate what amounts to a crime against America.

    Tex is correct. This blows Iran Contra out of the water.

  45. I guess the decision would turn on whether he could be legitimately declared such an enemy combatant, and I believe he could.

    What is the definition of an enemy combatant? The whole concept is ludicrous. Today we got the thought police (Attack Watch) and MSM’s censorship of scientific discovery and truth. Some progress we’re making!

    Would Jesus be considered an enemy combatant today? His message certainly opposes the very actions of our government. Craziness. Our system of injustice grows daily. 😐

    Awlaki gave 4 FBI interviews and was acquainted with several of the alleged hijackers. He was invited as a guest to a lunch at the Pentagon after the events of 9/11 and easily passed through their security. This guy was/is a CIA asset in the ongoing “war on terror”. His usefulness either peaked or they needed another “event” to justify our ongoing military aggression into all countries middle east. He was on the “kill or capture” list, so we sent a drone after him. I don’t know what the “capture” capabilities are of these military machines, but logically it seems a moot thought. Dead men tell no tales.

  46. This blows Iran Contra out of the water.

    Hardly. I think you must subscribe to the sanitized version of hysterical historical events. Iran Contra revealed was only the tip of that iceberg.

  47. As usual, conspiracies regarding democrat administrations get a free ride from PM.

    He’s probably assuming the FBI would have told him if there was anything to F&F. Or maybe waiting on the Simpsons to cover the story.

  48. As usual, conspiracies regarding democrat administrations get a free ride from PM.

    Oh really? We haven’t gotten into all the Clinton corruption. I’ll go there if you want. The amazing thing to me is all you conservatives are so blind, either willfully or by your own lack of observation.

  49. Huck,

    One thing I have figured out about our resident pet rock.

    Contrary to the nut’s assertions of objectiveness, short of Rutherford who is honest about his leftist philosophy, Rock is the board’s second lefty, and revels in any conservative schadenfreude.

    If a plane of conservative politicians went down in flames, Hickory would be orgasmic.

    He wasn’t a Fat Grannie upstanding member for nothing.

  50. “What is the definition of an enemy combatant? The whole concept is ludicrous.”

    The problem with you, poolman is that you are basically a good man. If you and I were to sit down and have a beer, I think we would both agree that there is no justification for one man taking another’s life – no matter what.

    But men DO take other’s lives and they justify it by making up rules that say it’s OK under certain circumstances. “Enemy combatant” is one.

    Is it in the ultimate sense still wrong?

    Yes.

  51. As former upstanding member of “Fat Grannie’s”, I now accept dirt leveler at Rutherford’s house of totem. Somebody has to be on the ground.

    With Tex asshead as head position, and the rest of the crew carving the pole beneath, I generally get pummeled with all kinds of crap.

    But that’s okay. You know what they say, “The higher they are…

    And besides, somebody needs to sift all this crap and get to the dirt.

    AFA politicians going down in flames, my concerns are nonpartisan. I do have a preference of method for those going UP in flames, however. Those would be of the SHC variety. 😎

  52. “The problem with you, poolman is that you are basically a good man.”-pfessor

    And the problem with you pfessor, is you think poolman basically a good man.

    He espouses word for word, Iranian propaganda. He constantly throws out horrific accusations with only lunacy as proof.

    His Tokyo Rose bull shit makes him as divisive and hurtful as a man can be to our country without taking outright taking arms against it. He provides a smokescreen for legitimate criticism and true conspiracies.

    And while I feel he has every right to do it, it pains me to see intelligent people allow him to intellectually go unchecked.

    The dude is a virus of the worst kind. One that has now infected about 20 percent of our population.

    As for your objective laws of right or wrong, I have to ask, and I am not trying to be a dick, where the hell does a guy like you get them from?

    And if you do, in fact, hold a rigid code of morality, why do you mock the pro-life crowd so much?

    At the very least, the abortion debate with you should be nothing more then scientific. Is a fetus human or not?

    Any other bullshit, whats was good for your niece, society, eugenics…. all of it should be out of the mix.

  53. Frankly, I am absolutely delighted Anwar al-Awlaki was blown to bits. I give both our military, Barack Obama and his staff a hearty thank you and keep up the good work!

    I generally get pummeled with all kinds of crap.

    Perhaps it’s because contrary to Pfesser’s assertions, you Poolman are anything but a good person. In fact, you are contemptible. I have never read a more vicious spreader of misinformation, egregious lies and wicked propaganda this side of Dar al-Islam. I have not even read at Fat Grannies, those petty purveyors of imbecility accuse its government of killing citizens during 9/11. That makes you uniquely reprehensible.

    You have accused our government of murdering thousands of New Yorkers, in coordination with Israel. You have called our military mercenaries for defending us, Bush/Cheney/Rumsfield war criminals, and our staunchest allies, enemies – while never failing to search the net for any supporting form of American hating literature, always assuming the worst of both our people and its representative government. You are what Stalin called a useful idiot, as your idiocy only aids and abets America’s enemies.

    And I am quite sure you Mr. Poolman in another age, would have excused Joseph Goebbels of being set up, happily assisting Tokyo Rose.

  54. But men DO take other’s lives and they justify it by making up rules that say it’s OK under certain circumstances. “Enemy combatant” is one.

    Abortion is another. Rabbit played it first, but here it’s apropos.

    The difference being one is considered legal in our nation, while the other is not and is now tangled in legal opinion while people are being killed. That’s hard to reverse. That is why we have due process in the first place. We may as well have a king, since we are way beyond the rule of a democracy.

    Since Al Qaeda is who and what we make it, our enemy is vague and so are the rules of engagement. But the fight must go on. We need an enemy to focus on. Basic herding concepts require it. For the herders, CYA is the nature of the game. Carry a drop weapon or a convenient video confession or a handy incriminating passport or just take out the messenger. So much for the “capture” part of these standing orders. Dead men tell no tales.

  55. Here bunny, chew on this…

    While some people think that dissent is unpatriotic, I would argue that dissent is the highest form of patriotism. In fact, if patriotism means being true to the principles for which your country is supposed to stand, then certainly the right to dissent is one of those principles. And if we’re exercising that right to dissent, it’s a patriotic act.

    One of the great mistakes made in discussing patriotism — a very common mistake — is to think that patriotism means support for your government. And that view of patriotism ignores the founding principles of the country expressed in the Declaration of Independence. That is: the Declaration of Independence makes it clear that governments are artificial creations set up to achieve certain ends — equality, life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness — and when governments become destructive of those ends it is the right of the people in the words of the Declaration, to alter or abolish the government.

    http://www.tompaine.com/Archive/scontent/5908.html

    You think this “truther virus” is only 20 percent of the population? Many are silent that fear for their jobs. It is the one thing that will blacklist you today. If you watched that Iran Contra coverup video done in 1988 that I linked, you’d realize how prophetic it is for today.

  56. DR –
    “As for your objective laws of right or wrong, I have to ask, and I am not trying to be a dick, where the hell does a guy like you get them from? ”

    Internally, like everybody else. You don’t have to be taught right from wrong; you know it. It is the great (self-serving) fallacy of religion that without it man would run amok. Nonsense. The best example might be our own Constitution: a marvel of clear thinking and morality; totally bereft of religion.

    “why do you mock the pro-life crowd so much? ”

    I don’t believe I did that. If you can show me where I mocked anyone for taking a pro-life stance, please advise and I will apologise forthwith. I think it’s too important a debate for that.

    Perhaps it’s like what Truman said: “People tell me, ‘Give ’em hell, Harry!’ I don’t give ’em hell; I just tell them the truth and they think it’s hell.” Maybe the pro-life crowd is so un-used to having someone disagree with them that they mistake THEIR shock for someone ELSE’s mockery. Just a thought…

  57. Good quote on Tom Paine, poolman. I have the misfortune of having lived long enough to remember the Vietnam protests. We took a hell of a lot of bad publicity and not a few lumps on the head, but it was worth it. The cry then was, “America, love it or leave it!”

    And the marvelous rejoinder was: CHANGE IT OR LOSE IT. I just wish we could get the same level of anger about our adventuring in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    I have to tell you I think some of your stuff is pretty far out, but if anyone trusts this government less than you, it’s me.

  58. always assuming the worst of both our people and its representative government.

    Tex, while I know where you’re coming from regarding Poolman some of the time, this one quote I picked out is awfully funny coming from you.

    You consider our President and the entire Democratic party criminal. So doesn’t that make you somewhat akin to old Poolman?

  59. some of your stuff is pretty far out

    Far out? I do explore extremes. But I guess it depends on how closed your world is. Like that video brings out, we got this stuff going on right under our noses…

    Rex 84,

    short for Readiness Exercise 1984, was a secretive “scenario and drill” developed by the United States federal government to suspend the United States Constitution, declare martial law, place military commanders in charge of state and local governments, and detain large numbers of American citizens who are deemed to be “national security threats”, in the event that the President declares a “State of Domestic National Emergency”. The plan allegedly states that events that might cause such a declaration would be widespread U.S. opposition to a U.S. military invasion abroad, such as if the United States were to directly invade Central America.[1][2][3][4][5][6] To combat what the government perceived as “subversive activities”, the plan also authorized the military to direct ordered movements of civilian populations at state and regional levels.[7]
    Rex 84 was allegedly written by Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North, who was both National Security Council White House Aide, and NSC liaison to the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), and John Brinkerhoff, the deputy director of “national preparedness” programs for FEMA. They allegedly patterned the plan on an alleged 1970 report written by FEMA chief Louis Giuffrida, at the Army War College, which allegedly proposed the detention of up to 21 million “American Negroes”, if there were a black militant uprising in the United States.[1][8] Existence of a master military contingency plan (of which REX-84 was a part), “Garden Plot” and a similar earlier exercise, “Lantern Spike” were originally revealed by journalist Ron Ridenhour, who summarized his findings in an article in CounterSpy.[9]

    What about this kind of governmental mechanism? Whose interests are at heart? This is crazy shit. Herder mentality. This stuff needs to be sunlit.

  60. I’ve called the entire Dimocratic party treasonous, Rutherford? Now you’re going to honestly tell me that? Did I not just give kudos to a man I generally abhor for carrying out extreme prejudice?

    I never knew you dishonest Rutherford until this last few weeks. A few months ago, I was tempted to send you a picture of my family from vacation, so that you would know who we were.

    Thank God I chose not to do that. I used to think you were a intelligent, thinking lib – a degree of reasonableness, sometime thought provoking. Now I just think you’re a garden variety hack.

    There is an entire segment of America that I never knew before I started reading some of these liberal blogs. I thought it was just a bunch of simpletons and part of the lunatic fringe. But I guess I was oblivious it had gone mainstream. This one is now included in that list, with the arrival of sorry bastards like Poolman. Literally, people that hate America, blame America for their problems, actively root against America, believed we had 9/11 coming. It came out after the attack and is “progressively” getting more bold.

    And I will tell you in all truth, I am to the point of determining America probably cannot heal herself or improve until we remove this disease from our midst. I would sure hate that it might be necessary to come to that, but the feeling is becoming more palpable for me.

    Don’t make the mistake I’m just blowing smoke this time.

  61. You consider our President and the entire Democratic party criminal. So doesn’t that make you somewhat akin to old Poolman?
    C’mon R even in this very thread Tex doffed his cap to the current resident of 1600 Penn albeit in Tex fashion.

    The questionable nature of many things Obama should be enough to raise the eyebrows of even a left o’ center guy like yourself. To BHO’s credit he obviously learned a lot in Chicago,either that or he is like Harding dumb. From “shovel ready” to Solyndra to gun walking south of the border there are plenty of reasons to hold the administration,the Party it belongs to and the allies in the media to a level of accountability.

  62. When I read rants like Tex’s last, it confirms for me just how much we must remain a nation of laws, because I see how crazy people can get when they are convinced they are right. Anything is OK. Even murder. He said it himself.

    That attitude is exactly that of the zealots who committed the most unthinkable atrocities in the name of their God, because of course they had the ultimate confirmation they were right, didn’t they? See why I am so dead-set against electing any religious nutcases to office?

    Those with this kind of “whatever it takes” mentality are precisely the kind we must NEVER let have any authority. Never.

    It doesn’t matter whether you are blowing smoke, man. You are one fucked-up dude.

  63. I think Christie may very well jump in eventually but I also firmly believe Mitt Romney will by spring 2012 announce a running mate and further firm up a platform that will garner him the Republican nomination.(Ryan,Rubio?) I’m iffy in my swami ways as if this means third and fourth level candidates emerge,Paul as whatever you call him and someone (Palin,Cain??) as the Conservative candidate.
    Maybe my turban is too tight but I think Obamas biggest problems will be: potential court rulings on “ObamaCare”,continued economic doldrums and a major October surprise kind of thing. His pluses are:potential court rulings on ObamaCare,summer departure/dramatic drawdowns from war zones,fragmented electorate that at least keeps him from facing minor in house challenges from a leftie of blue dog.

  64. Pfesser, our “nation of laws” has in many ways been suspended since 9/11. That is why we have so much of the degradation we see in our society now. The laws don’t apply to those who are “connected” or in many cases tasked to enforce them. We’ve seen them promoted and shifted around to avoid prosecution or public scrutiny. It’s a good ole boy network and ruled by thugs.

    Unless we re-establish justice at the highest levels, there is little chance of any respect or compliance of those laws. Criticism of our nation’s policies – pointing out sins – both past and present draws threats, like we’ve seen here in this blog.

    Remember, we were told to shop after 9/11. The way to beat the radicals was to shop and show them capitalism is still alive and well, despite that act of terror.

    Just go shopping America. Your government has it all under control. Shop. Stimulate the economy and defeat those evil bastards. Strike them where it hurts them the most – go on a visa spree at Walmart.

  65. Tigre, I’m not bringing this up as my part of my by now tired lawyer bashing.

    I’m telling you, the lawsuits involving special ed are out of control.

    Special education is the single biggest drain on education out there.
    Ill take more time and explain why tomorrow.

    I remember you asking me if I actually have seen a lawsuit involving special ed.

    Well, I can now say I have. Big time. Total bull shit, too.

    http://www.economist.com/node/1169538

  66. I can tell you one thing I’m not fucked up about Pfesser.

    I know it’s a baby in the womb. As you get on your band wagon about our “nation of laws”, your rights and your grand form of deluded, humanistic piety, it’s you that has the blood of the most innocent on your hands. Worst, you did to your own kin behind the back of a sibling. You are an absolutely despicable human being Pfesser, and that’s only what I have learned on this board. No telling what kind of destruction you’ve created over a lifetime.

    It is not my thinking that is twisted Pfesser. It’s yours. And it is exactly because of fools like you and the imbecile Poolman, that this country has sunk into the abyss the last 50 years with amoral children, treasonous thought, war zones for schools, broken families, and anti-authoritarian norms.

    Consider the magnitude of the stupidity of your unfounded bigotry by this statement:

    That attitude is exactly that of the zealots who committed the most unthinkable atrocities in the name of their God, because of course they had the ultimate confirmation they were right, didn’t they?

    Would that be the name of their “god” like Mao Tse-tung, Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot, Nicolae Ceausescu, Kim Jong Il? That’s the zealotry of the crowd you’re a part of Pfesser. That’s what militant, atheistic men of your ilk have wrought in the previous century and this decade alone. We don’t need to speculate. We’ve got confirmation of the end result – mass death, mass destruction. If we continue to leave America to your feckless accord and continue to lend you a loud voice leaving evil unchallenged, even accepted, that is exactly what will eventually happen here. I guarantee it.

    And to show what a duplicitous phony jackass you are about Christianity, that good-for-nothing idiot named Poolman, who always is fond of quoting scripture to you with some of the most childlike innuendo and embarrassment of explanation, never even gets a mention of your disdain of “religious zealotry.” You’re as phony as the day is long Pfesser.

    Horrid men like you thinking I’m “One fucked up dude” only validate for me that I am absolutely correct in recognizing a treasonous dog like Poolman and a sanctimonious, contemptuous, misandrist bastard like you. Poolman is simply stupid. You’re the most self-absorbed, self-righteous schmuck I’ve read on this board, incapable of recognizing simple right from wrong.

    It’s your family fucked up – not mine. It’s you a product of dysfunctional marriage – not me. It’s you that can’t get along with extended family members. I love my extended family.

    So no matter how much you want us all to believe you’re on top of the world Pfesser, what you have offered here alone indicates the path behind you littered with destruction, and you are nothing but a self-absorbed, swelled-head lout. And if you think Poolman is a good man, you’re even more screwed up then I thought you were.

    I wear any criticism out of the mouth of an abomination like you as badge of honor.

    And just like when Anwar al-Awlaki was blown away yesterday, I’ll think the same thing when you pass and join him. Good riddance…

  67. So Rabbit, after reading the Economist article I see your concern. I just hope you don’t want to throw special ed (the baby) out with the bathwater. Everyone does deserve an education.

  68. Alfie, very interesting predictions. I think Christie may very well jump in eventually Eventually better be pretty damn soon. With Florida pushing their primary into January there is a good chance the official primary season will begin in December. Many pundits are saying the cake is already baked and that it is really too late for anyone else to jump in despite all the hype about Christie.

    Regarding Romney, are you saying you think he will pick a running mate before the primary season is even over? Don’t think that’s ever happened and would be presumptuous as hell. But then anything could happen at this point … we live in a crazy world. Also, are you saying you think we are going to see a third party candidate (Palin, Cain, Paul)? Personally I don’t see Cain running third party. I think he’s too loyal to the party to siphon votes off the GOP nominee. Palin is selfish as hell, so no telling what she might do. Ron Paul also might launch a third party run if only because he has a lot of young conservatives behind him and he still has some momentum from the 2008 race.

    Getting back to Romney’s running mate … I’m not sure Ryan does him that much good. I think Rubio would be an excellent choice. It will help him pull in a major Hispanic voting block and lots of folks see Rubio being POTUS one day so this would pave the way toward that in 2020.

    As for your prognostications on Obama, I think you’ve pretty much nailed it. Unfortunately the only thing most of the folks on this board like about Obama (i.e. his military victories) don’t matter that much to the electorate. If the job situation does not improve, his only choice will be to try and blame Republicans as obstructionists and that simply may not fly.

    I’ve said before and I’ll say again, unless the GOP totally loses their bearings and nominates Sarah Palin, this will be a very close election. The White House is clearly up for grabs.

  69. Now that I think about it, with our economy in the toilet, a Romney/Cain ticket might be appealing. You pull in two CEO’s with one vote. Of course neither has much experience with foreign affairs so that could be dicey. The other benny to picking Cain as a running mate is going after the conservative black vote which I believe really is out there, just not well advertised.

  70. Question for the “panel”, some of whom are a bit more savvy about global economics than am I.

    Who here thinks Germany will ultimately tell the Eurozone to go to hell and allow Greece to default catapulting the globe into a second Great Depression?

    I know based on the prior post that most of you boys abhor Chris Hayes but he covered the European economic situation this morning and it indeed looked pretty damn frightening.

  71. “See why I am so dead-set against electing any religious nutcases to office?”-pfessor

    Like we have mentioned dozens of times, that statement is so damn idiotic when considering the 20th century.

    Millions upon millions upon millions upon millions upon millions upon millions upon millions upon millions of people have apparently been systematically purged in vein.

    You want to call Tex a nut case?

    Have had it, he can hold his own. Hell, the dude may be a little nuts. I have a suspension all of us have at least a tiny screw missing, even our very proud and self assured resident lawyers. I’m thinking this blogging business that we take part in is more then a little strange when it comes to healthy outlets.

    You want to tell us you don’t want nut cases in office? Brilliant. I agree.

    But, your constant vilification of “nut case” Christians in the wake of the last century is insane.

    As Huck and I agreed the other week, Mao alone probably killed more people then all the wars and murders combined in ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY previous to the 20th century.

    Look dude. As I’ve said before, I’m a fake Christian. I get why you believe it to be hocus pocus. But please explain to a fellow heathen why you feel the need to always name drop Christian zealots and never atheists and so called “rationalists” in wake of the unfathomable last 7 decades? Are you from Mars?

    Using pragmatism devoid of any religion, Mao put China on the fast track for industrialization by starving 30 million on purpose. I know you are fully aware of this.

    As for Rutherford, same old story. He takes a fine comb to Poolman’s statements, isolates them, and waxes on about the kernel of truth he thinks he senses.

    Rutherford goes out of his way to legitimize Poolman.

    The question is, why? When it’s all said and done, does Rutherford have no love for his country? The same nation that allowed a handicapped nobody of minority stock and average intelligence to live such a life luxury? If not, then why bother with all of this? Quit blogging and argue sports.

    What Tex is saying, and I agree, although almost brokenheartedly, is that the whole lot of you that defend poolman deserve to be smote by the world you will one day inevitably create. The line has to be drawn with guys like poolman. It has to be. And its easy to do so. Not by shutting him up, but by all of us calling his bull shit out for what it is instead of flimsy attempts at defending him.

    Lastly, I didn’t arrive at my pro-life position through religion, although I respect people that have. I actually agree. Some things you just know are wrong.

    And yeah, pfessor, celebrating the death of the nephew you paid to be aborted while calling him “the little bastard” in a snarky tone mocks the pro-life movement.

    *Side note. Do you guys think I used the word “smote” in its proper tense?

  72. That economist article is not very good. It’s all over the map. The lawsuits are coming from I.E.P’s.

    Within the last couple years, you don’t even need to qualify for special ed to get modifications. You just need to under perform and claim a disability, such as ADD and boom! “504 Plan”. The minute the plan is on paper, you often don’t have to do homework, don’t have to take tests like the other kids etc.

  73. Who here thinks Germany will ultimately tell the Eurozone to go to hell and allow Greece to default catapulting the globe into a second Great Depression?” – R

    Greece isn’t the stumbling block, it is Italy.

    I think they are very close to0 that point. Merkel’s party has been losing elections and they are on the edge coalition wise. If her government falls, the German’s will stop supporting.

    If German does pull out, it completely falls apart because France is in no position to be the main financial lever.

    I predicted that the Euro would fall apart within a decade because of their socialist policies back in 2004. I admit, it was a bit tongue in cheek, but alas, the premise was sound.

  74. @ Rutherford
    Yeah I think Paul will do a Nader kind of thing, I also do think it isn’t out of the realm of possibilities that the Tea Partiers and conservatives try to have some kind of symbolic Conservative thing.
    I don’t see Romney/Cain it pretty much has to be one of the R’s.

    As for Europe. France and Germany have recently regenerated/recycled their fave cause ala Core Europe. A two tier EuroZone is something I think we’re going to see as ever so lightly touched on here. Europe is more likely to further forsake sovereignty and try to preserve the “Common Market” for the top tier nations while maintaining the greater EU for typical reasons.

  75. If you think about it, the Euro seemed doomed from the start. How do you expect to get away with Keynesian economics and not have a central monetary authority?

    Here’s the million dollar question…..or maybe 900 billion in fail protection paid loaned by the tax payer. Are American banks hiding (like they did in 2008) how much bad paper they have on the PIGS sovereign debt? God help us if they are. I find it hard to believe they are being honest about the sovereign debt they have insured/bought etc.

    In other news, Wallstreet and Bank of America et al deserve every Marxist and Anarchist weirdo protester they get. 700 hundred arrested in Wall Street? I stand up and golf clap the rogues.

    Sigh. if only Market Forces were allowed to destroy the vile Bank of America. Since you can’t cheat nature, perhaps it will now get torn down like the Bastille.

  76. Rabbit, you tickle me. I actually believe for all you humorous idiosyncrasies, you to be one of the more grounded people on this board. And because of that, I fully expect your son to grow up a productive citizen and solid adult – what’s left of it.

    Forgive that rant, but my “screws” aren’t missing – they’re stripped.

    The screws were starting to strip years ago when we started using this useless cliche of “take back our country”, for the last twenty years the threads have weakened under the burden of additional dead weight, oxidation and grime, and finally after 9/11, the threads stripped completely where the motors just rattles around. Like so many, I have evolved to sitting on my hands trying to reason with irrational fools – the same irrational fools who have the gall to criticize the only country on earth that would not only tolerate their strife and their vile accusations, but allow them to couch it under the cowardly guise of free speech. Fools that we’ve allowed to do it ‘their way’ for 50 years and left a path of destruction – schools, communities, politics, you name it.

    A false sense of tolerance is now our highest virtue, while we allow these fools to rewrite the rules of why the country was founded to begin with. We have entirely lost our perspective and it shows in every regard, every capacity.

    We don’t need to take back anything. We need to purge ourselves of a bunch of garbage and start doing it pronto. And if we can’t purge ourselves of this rotten ilk or provide them a lifetime attitude adjustment, then I suggest we who believe we are running out of time and believe our kids deserve better, grab a set like our forefathers, and separate ourselves.

    If that means administering the lesson of ‘tough love’, then in my opinion, it is about 40 years overdue to give America an enema.

    Our problem isn’t our intolerance or that we are closed mind. We have become so tolerant (so cowardly), that somewhere along the way, and the disease is exponentially increasing I might add, that we’ve concluded anything goes – except of course moral absolutes, beauty, truth, justice. That’s not democracy; that’s chaos and anarchy. And the rot’s most insidious quality is not that it happens all at once, but that it creeps into every corner in the dark like cockroaches. Let’s give Satan his just due.

    Rabbit, I contend the problems in this country aren’t our politicians, but fools who can’t determine right from wrong. Fools who equate jihadists to freedom fighters and good citizens. All opinions are of equal values, all sets of values one and the same. We have a few of them on this board, and ‘religion’ or lack thereof, is not the point of demarcation. You can be ‘religious’ all you want, and still be an enemy of everything virtuous. Africa is religious; the Middle East is religious. In fact, since I proclaim I am a man of faith, there’s one thing I know for sure. if your religion isn’t pure, better to have no religion at all.

    I don’t need to name names anymore to clearly delineate those I believe ‘get it’, and those that don’t.

  77. “As Huck and I agreed the other week, Mao alone probably killed more people then all the wars and murders combined in ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY previous to the 20th century. ”

    I also said that was due in no small part to the industrialization of the business of killing that has gone on since the start of that century, and pointed out that if the people of the past had the same technologies then history would be a lot more bloody than it already was.

    The fact that populations just weren’t that big throughout history also plays a part in that. You have to have the people in the first place in order to kill them.

    They try and pound this garbage into me in my MA program, where our program topic is globalization and genocide. They push that globalization is a new “phenomenon” that has led us to the most violent era in man’s history. I contend that, in some form or another, that both have been going on in some form or another throughout human history, and has only ever been limited by limitations in technology.

    History is riddled with stories of intercontinental, overland trade routes, as well as stories of entire populations of people being slaughtered. Exploring who and what is on the other side of the mountain is as ingrained into man’s nature as is killing or taking what we find when we get there.

  78. That’s pure speculation, Huck. Who knows how competing notions of chivalry and religious intolerance would play out when it comes to mass extermination.

    And, I contest that all of the genocide was industrialized in the first place. Stalin simply surrounded the Ukraine and starved them. The Great Leap Forward was, again, simple and purposeful starvation of 30 million people.

    If my uncle had tits, he’d be my aunt.

    Every regime that claims atheism has exterminated millions outside of Cuba.

    There you have it. Cuba. Your shining example of atheist tolerance.

  79. “That’s pure speculation, Huck. Who knows how competing notions of chivalry and religious intolerance would play out when it comes to mass extermination.”

    We know because history tells us. There was certainly no chivalry involved when Crusaders exterminated entire populations. Nor when the Muslims or Mongols did it. Nor when the Jews did it. But there was certainly religious and cultural intolerance involved.

    “Every regime that claims atheism has exterminated millions outside of Cuba.”

    Because every regime that claims atheism has existed in modern times.

    Coincidentally, I just ran across an article talking about this same stuff. I have not read it all, so I am not saying I agree with all or any of its points. But I found a quick scan to be interesting.

  80. “And, I contest that all of the genocide was industrialized in the first place. Stalin simply surrounded the Ukraine and starved them.”

    Technology was required to mobilize the force that would be required to surround and starve an area and population that size.

  81. All atheist regimes in modern times have been brutal. 100 percent.

    Most tech savvy modern governments have not.

    Come on, man. Give it up.

    Consistently portraying Christianity as the boogie man in modern times is silly.

  82. Actually, a twisted chivalry was a major motivation for the crusades in the first place.

    And, considering most genocide is carried out by the government against its own people, I’m not sure it would have gone down back then.

    Ultimately this is a who is tougher batman vs superman argument. The fact we’re having it may be proof you are triflin’.

  83. Rabbit, bring it when you have your thoughts and info firmed up. Do me a favor though, remember what I said in your rant. I will never defend frivolous lawsuits or unjust results.

    One the problems I have with you in debating the legal system is your view that it’s controlled in all aspects “by lawyers” (in the most generic construct available). Be sure you know what you’re talking about when you hear of lawsuits (who’s the client, who are the lawyers, what are the laws, what was the result etc).

    Frankly, I will be gobsmacked if you find something that indicates there’s an out-of-control lucrative cottage industry in the legal profession suing teachers (or for that matter school districts, superintendents etc.). In fact, I’ll wager teachers and teacher’s unions account for a large number of the lawsuits and litigation expenses in education.

    But I do love a good gobsmacking. 😆 So I’ll be interested to see what you find. Just don’t expect me to mount a defense about something I don’t know or care about just because I am a lawyer.

  84. Tigre, I’m really not going to make a case about lawyers as much I am about the law, education and popular culture.

    Blaming the lawyers only can go so far anyways, even if I could mount some kind of attack backed by facts.

    We have a problem with culture.

    As for right now, I’m having a sports orgasm. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

  85. ” In fact, I’ll wager teacher’s unions account for a large number of the lawsuits and litigation expenses in education.”

    You are on. I will absolutely take that bet.

    I will make a class warfare, “progressive” bet. One of my 5 Vegas cigars for one of your Drew Estate #9’s.

    After all, that’s only fair.

  86. I’d like to lose that bet so I’ll take it. You really need to have a No. 9. I have a humi filled with rare cubans — some pre-embargo. I’ll grab an aged No. 9 ahead of most of them.

    Taking down the Yankees is a-okay with me, even if that means siding with a guy that has his step-mother do his tax returns. 😆 Enjoy.

  87. Lol on the mother-in-law. How sad.

    I’ve never done my own taxes. My Dad used to do them for me too!

    She’s going to be in for a shock this year when she sees the shenanigans I’ve been up to.

    Ill probably have to hit her up for a loan just so I don’t join Wesley Snipes for dinner.

    As of right now, I probably owe the government more money then is in my Etrade account.

    (BORK) might change that tomorrow. Go look at the stock. I think its going pop like Peter North this week. Then again, I was wrong last time I predicted this.

  88. All atheist regimes in modern times have been brutal. 100 percent.

    Rabbit the problem with any argument that goes “all of X are Y” is that it is likely to go down to defeat right out of the gate.

    Maybe I’m slow but I haven’t seen anyone define an “atheist regime”. Is that a regime that suppresses the free expression of any religion? Well if that is the case then clearly Rabbit is on the right track. Suppression goes hand in hand with oppression and if out of control leads to mass murder.

    But what about typically non-religious countries like Sweden? Where is Sweden’s history of brutality?

    I submit it is not atheism that condemns a country to brutality, it is the state-sponsored religious bigotry that does it.

    Besides, I don’t think anyone here is calling for an “atheist regime”. We are calling for a secular government. The United States has (sorry BiW) a secular government that appropriately tolerates all religions, showing an admitted predisposition toward Christianity.

  89. Herman Cain appeared on ABC’s “This Week” this morning and Tex etal. would have been proud of him. When Christiane Amanpour played a clip (that I posted above) of Chris Christie calling Sharia law worry-warts “crazies”, Herman replied that Christie can call him crazy all he wants. Cain says he’s seen the the gradual attempt to push Sharia into the US legal system and he wants us to remain vigilant.

    One of the few moments in the interview when Herman did indeed appear crazy. 🙂

  90. Cain has also said that American blacks have been brainwashed to be Democrats.

    C’mon Tex … why haven’t you jumped aboard the Cain train yet? Sounds to me like he’s your man.

  91. Sad news Rutherford. A week from today, would be the one year anniversary of Jim Dougan’s passing. I just went to his blog a day before yesterday and thought about leaving a message, but thought I would wait until October 10th (the anniversary) to do so for his daughter’s benefit.

    Apparently, the blog has either been turned off, or hijacked. Wouldn’t you know it?

    Oklahoma agrees with Herman Cain, by the way. But it is all for not, even when over 70% of the people vote to ban sharia from its State Constitution, some black robed anti-Christ on a Federal court overrules it.

    I was so disgusted with the entire episode, a few weeks ago, I didn’t even bother to cast a vote in a city/state election for the first time in years. And I doubt I ever will bother again either. And I told our local officials as much. They just shook their heads and said you can’t believe how many people are coming to the same conclusion – screw it. No need voting anymore because our nation of “laws” has become nothing but elitist jackboots.

    I project I’ll vote in one election next year and one only – and then only to vote against Obama for my own personal satisfaction. Totalitarianism slowly creeps into America.

  92. While I’m on a Cain refrain, you know what I would really love to see? I’d love to see Cain get the nomination if for no other reason than to finally lay to rest the Garafolo charge of blatant racism on the part of the Tea Party. Now of course, as one of you posted earlier, Janeane has already spun Cain’s popularity as some sort of racist cover-up but seriously if I saw the rank and file of the Tea Party line up behind Cain, the nominee, I might have to seriously reevaluate my thoughts on the Tea Party.

    What a beautiful social experiment it would be. If conservatives were forced to choose between two black men, would they pull the lever for Cain or would they abstain?

    Damn
    I’m a poet
    And I didn’t even know it
    But my feet show it
    They’re long fellows. 😉

  93. Cain is being much too kind. Blacks haven’t been brainwashed. They’ve been bought. Sold their souls to the devil out of their own brand of hatred for a cup of porridge and a boatload of false promises. Doesn’t get any stupider than that.

    Cain actually is beginning to grow on me. Good man and funny guy. But I got to wait and hear more from him. I don’t want to make the same mistake you did with Obama. Taken in by the lines of a monumental fool and lightweight.

  94. Maybe I’m slow but I haven’t seen anyone define an “atheist regime”.

    Its quite simple actually.

    Its the governments who say, “We are atheist” and then go on to outlaw religion.

  95. But what about typically non-religious countries like Sweden?

    We are talking about a government mandate that forces its people to be atheist. I’m saying they have been 100% brutal.

    The only reason I’m bringing it up is because of the silly posters constantly fretting about a a potential government that forces its people to be Christian.

    You know, dominionism etc.

    I find it laughable for many reasons. The lack of such a threat being the first. The legacy of the last hundred years being the last.

    In other words, there have been no such governments. Only the exact opposite. And they hold the record for mass murder.

    Besides, 87% of Swedes claim to be Lutheran. Lutheranism is core to Swedish history and culture.

    Is it the most church going state on earth? No. But, dude, I’ve lived in Scandinavia, its not this atheist land someone told you it is. So cut it out.

  96. Rabbit, Rutherford is just being obtuse. I have “faith” he’s not that stupid.

    There’s a couple of categories of the irreligious. Take people like Huck, Gorilla, Tigre. I can’t define exactly how they feel or what they believe, but even assuming they are atheist, they leave well enough alone. Nobody can really fault that if they are being honest with faith, being faith in God is a matter of free will.

    Rutherford borders on fascism lite. He would like religion, more specifically Christianity privatized and eliminated from the public square. He’ll mock it every chance he gets, but he doesn’t actively go seeking to make enemies. I call that group the punks and the riffraff. They’re putrid in their nature, but generally harmless and carrying no weight.

    Then you’ve got the militant atheists – the nihilist thugs and the secular humanists looking for a fight because they have enmity with God. That is an absolute form of twisted religion. Pfesser is a thug, as are those goons he worships up in Alaska. So is Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris, and the rest of those yahoos. If Pfesser had the authority, he wouldn’t be any different than the Iranian mullahs hanging people by the necks for differing from what they determine as authority – generally themselves. This is the Ward Churchill type of religion, lying, propagandizing, casting dispersions. And when you get somebody like me who challenges their authority and truth, then you can get into a real nasty battle. They hate my guts, and I thrive on it.

  97. “Consistently portraying Christianity as the boogie man in modern times is silly.”

    Then I guess it is a good thing that I didn’t do that.

    You guys are the ones who are constantly trying to ID the boogieman. Today its atheists. Last week it was Muslims.

    Take a look at what I said above….

    Man is the boogie man. Violence is in our nature. It’s part of who we are. That’s what I have said all along.

  98. Last week it was the terrorists you have so much empathy for. I guess it was coincidence that the video seemed to capture Muslims, and our “natural” blood lust that prevented us from viewing their intended victims as the real terrorists.

    Still scratching my head on that one Huck.

  99. I’m responding to those on this board who fear “dominionists”.

    By the way, did Iran go through with executing that guy for the crime of being a Christian?

    Radical Islam is bad. Atheist commies are bad.

    We don’t want those guys in power.
    Unfortunately they are. So yeah, those are boogie men. No?

    Is there a Christian theocracy that I should also be afraid of? Has there been one in the last 300 years?

    Anglican Church and Queen Elizabeth have your panties in a bunch?

    Maybe you are concerned Geneva might revert back to a theocracy?

    Is the Vatican spanking women in the street for publicly eating ice cream?

  100. “If conservatives were forced to choose between two black men, would they pull the lever for Cain or would they abstan.”

    Cain. It’s the lefties that are obsessed with the politics of race and gender.

    And what was your “sorry BiW” all about? I don’t recall BiW saying the US didn’t tolerate all religions other than Christianity. You, however, have certainly denied the higher dignity that it played n our founding.

  101. This “Occupy Wall Street” is a zoo nightmare.

    Looks to me like a bunch of leftist anarchists & punks – led by Michael Al-Moore, Susan Sarandon, RoseAnne Barr? 😈 Out there demanding Obama’s reelection – a bunch of politically motivated herds of assholes? Perfect Rubeville. And that is going to lead to social justice? Give me a break.

    They protest and they don’t even know what they are protesting about. Isn’t that just like the Left? Protest not even having any idea where their protest leads. Why aren’t these assholes sitting on the steps of the Congressional Building?

    They remind me of these loons, who sign the petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide, still one of my favorites:

  102. Apparently, the blog has either been turned off, or hijacked.

    That is actually a blessing. Jim’s blog sadly had become a corpse overrun by vultures. The blog was not being maintained and SPAM was collecting there. It was no longer a respectful place for his memory. I’m relieved the blog was finally taken down.

    Had I known Jim well enough and he had shared with me his login credentials, I would gladly have kept the place alive, killing SPAM entries (or perhaps just turning off comments altogether).

    Hard to believe a year has passed. I was always dissatisfied with the final exchange I had with him. No fixing it now. His voice is still missed.

  103. They protest and they don’t even know what they are protesting about.

    Oh DAMN I nearly pissed in my pants when I read that.

    Hey Tex … Occupy Wall Street is the new Tea Party man …. get used to it. And yes, they share with the Tea Party that same lack of leadership and focus. One difference — they’re not ginned up by Dick Armey, Glenn Beck and Fox News. They’re the real deal. And you oughta be damn glad they’re making Wall Street fat cats a wee bit uncomfortable.

    That is unless you’re Michael Bloomberg who basically told us Wall Street has us hostage … if they go down, we all go down with them.

    P.S. On a side note after I sold my house and rid myself of my Bank of America mortgage, I then paid up my BofA credit card, called them and closed that account too. BofA will never see my money again. I hope when they implement their $5.00 per month charge for just having a debit card in your wallet, that their customers go elsewhere real fast. So much for the consumer protection agency. 😦

  104. Rabbit, from your latest comments I have to wonder if you read mine. I said that if by “atheist regime” we mean a government that prohibits freedom of religion, then you have a point. Secular governments on the other hand have no such history of mass murder.

    Huck is right on the money. The desire to conquer and kill is human, not peculiar to any ideology.

    Tigre … I called out BiW because he would have us believe we have a Christian government, not a secular one.

  105. “Last week it was the terrorists you have so much empathy for.”

    Oh really?

    And you know that guy who accidentally blew himself up was a terrorist how? Because it said so on the YouTube screen?

    It is highly doubtful he was a member of al Qaeda. You didn’t see me saying anything when everyone cheered for the AQ guy being killed. I’m all for it.

    You don’t even know if the guy in that video was a member of the Taliban.

    You don’t know where he was planing that bomb. You don’t know why he was planting that bomb. You don’t know who he was targeting with that bomb. All you know is that a YouTube video said he was a terrorist, and told you to laugh at his demise by calling it a “blooper.” Ha…Ha…Ha…

    You guys were being no different than the folks in the Middle East who buy and sell videos of our guys being killed so they can revel in our misery. And I suspect you don’t think too highly of them doing it. You’re damn right I called you out for it.

  106. There’s a couple of categories of the irreligious. Take people like Huck, Gorilla, Tigre. I can’t define exactly how they feel or what they believe, but even assuming they are atheist, they leave well enough alone. Nobody can really fault that if they are being honest with faith, being faith in God is a matter of free will.” – Tex

    I’m a Deist. I believe in God, but I’m very jaded when it comes to organized religion. Unfortunately, that’s probably a result of my profession.

    I constantly call for the Coliseum on these discussions because I’m not really interested in the religious beliefs of others, so those conversations- to me- are of little value.

    To Huck,

    I believe there are a lot of factors that go into insurgent activity. Most of those factors tend to be non-kinetic in nature. Unemployment, duress, social obligation, etc. That said, whether the driver of the action was kinetic or non-kinetic, at the end of the day, they are engaging in acts of violence against the U.S. It is at that point that I don’t give a flying fuck about how they feel or why they are engaged in the activity- they’ve stepped into the ring and they will reap what they sow. It works the same way for us. You may take umbrage with my, or others, feelings about their misfortune, and frankly, I don’t care. Having been in that environment, having lost friends and colleagues, I’m not interested in being an objective observer. I’m a subjective participant in this conflict and I’m going to root for my side. You, sitting outside the fight, can objectively complain about whatever you want, and if you feel that watching a jihadi detonate himself is in bad taste, well, you’re free to do as much. I, on the other hand, see his premature detonation as a blessing. For every jihadi who explodes himself is one less jihadi and one less bomb targeting me and mine. That’s a good day.

    We can agree to disagree on this, but recognize that some of us have a hell of a lot more skin in the game.

  107. “And you know that guy who accidentally blew himself up was a terrorist how? Because it said so on the YouTube screen?”

    Ummm. That was not your point. You made the comparison to people cheering the loss of innocent American life on 9/11.

    If you chose to challenge what the video depicted, be my guest. Pajama bin Huntin’ was funny and I have little doubt that those were jihadist failing in their mission. I doubt that the guys blew themselves up trying to plant a IED belonged to a group of missionaries from Scared Heart. If you believe those were innocent Muslims being mocked, I would hope you point me to something in the video before “calling me out” for enjoying human suffering that explains the cheers of those celebrating the towers coming down.

    Still scratching my head. . .

  108. “Take a look in the mirror, boys….”

    Took a look. Overshot the runway is the understatement of the year.

    Link it up Huck. So fucking what?

  109. “Tigre … I called out BiW because he would have us believe we have a Christian government, not a secular one.”

    I’ll let him fight his own battles, but your oversimplification is designed to twist his point. In fact, methinks you would have us believe we have an anti-christian (Constitution) government.

  110. Seems pithy to an ongoing discussion…

    While I may not accede to any particular denomination, I recognize predatory practices when I see them. Did someone say tolerance?

    And while we’re on the subject of tolerance, I will point out that I can consistently point these types of activities out so……

    Jakarta (AsiaNews) – A group of extremists from the Islamic Defender Front (FPI) have shut down a Protestant church in Jatinangor, in Bandung sub district, last Friday, the Muslim day of prayer. As in previous occasions in which Christian places of worship were seized and religious activities interrupted, the fundamentalists were aided and abetted by the local administration.
    Recently, rumours spread according to which the Protestant church was a haven for a “community of newly baptised”. Extremists also accuse Rev Bernard Maukar, head of the Christian community, of engaging in proselytising in a predominantly Muslim area.
    Arief Saefolah, village chief in Mekargalih (where the church is located), said he had the right to close down the place of worship as “illegal” because it was within his jurisdiction. “This area is under my authority,” he told the Christian community. “Please, get out as soon as possible.”
    Tensions had been rising until last Friday’s showdown. Saefolah and other local security officials (Satpol PP), plus 30 FPI members, seized all Christian properties, including chairs, musical instruments, tables and cars.
    A Christian woman from the community, known only by her nickname Pur, lamented the fact that police did not lift a finger to stop the “vandalism”. In her view, “police have no guts against this radical group.”
    The village chief denied claims that he brought in FPI fundamentalists to shut down the church. However, he did urge Christians to “go elsewhere” to worship their faith.

  111. Hey Tex … Occupy Wall Street is the new Tea Party man …. get used to it. And yes, they share with the Tea Party that same lack of leadership and focus. One difference — they’re not ginned up by Dick Armey, Glenn Beck and Fox News. They’re the real deal. And you oughta be damn glad they’re making Wall Street fat cats a wee bit uncomfortable.

    Oh baloney. Radicalized fringe groups and anarchists – professional protestors. This protest against Wall Street also include the reelection of Obama? Or Greenies? Or paid for student loans? Or Government Motors union workers? 🙂 Because half the signs there, half of the answers were about Obama’s ‘reelection’, environmental issues, the always present handout for social justice, and tax the rich to pay for their college. Lord only knows what they’ll do with their liberal arts degree when paid.

    Why doesn’t this groundswell go after Bernacke, or Fannie Mae, or Freddie Mac, or Sallie Mae if they’re so concerned about rich bullies taking advantage? Where is their protest or monetary manipulators like George Soros?

    This is mostly dregs carrying water for the class warfare and forced social justice, commie lite, ginned up by limousine liberals and fat cats Michael Al-Moore, Susan Sarandon, and pure imbeciles like RoseAnne Barr. 60s radical wannabees and lazy Greek public dole trolls. Now Hollywood will jump in – some fatcat like Matt Damon – so pathetic to be laughable. And they’ll screw up someplace and somebody will get hurt.

    Let these loons protest. This will turn out to be a comedy gold. But please note, this “new Tea Party” have already proven themselves liars in New York when they stormed the bridge, and accused the New York police of being “set up.” It’s all on video screaming “take the bridge.” They’ve already been busted for abuse.

    So this crap about this being the new Tea Party? B.S.

    You want to talk about something being astroturfed?

  112. Huck, I’m a little confused. Help me out here because I’m trying to figure out what is your beef. Though we don’t always agree, I most always understand your argument – but I’m not getting this one.

    Gorilla posts a video showing idiot terrorists blowing themselves up on the road while trying to plant IEDs. Their clear intent is to kill our soldiers. I’ll assume for sake of example, this was Afghanistan. Doesn’t really matter.

    Why would our laughter at their demise be any different that our celebration of Osama Bin Laden’s death? Why should we not wish for the extermination of all Taliban, who have left no doubt they would rejoice in the death of anyone on this board?

    This is not to goad you into an argument, nor to pile on. I’m actually trying to understand what is your complaint?

  113. I constantly call for the Coliseum on these discussions because I’m not really interested in the religious beliefs of others, so those conversations- to me- are of little value.

    But my answer was a direct challenge to PFThug’s charges toward me. I used the three of you as example directed to Rabbit to demonstrate that the practice of religion, or the lack of a formal one not the line of demarcation in determining political philosophy, nor right from wrong.

    It was necessary for and to the discussion here.

  114. “Occupy Wall Street is the new Tea Party man?”

    Scratching my head again. . .

    Is this ant-Tea Party to some? (legitimate question — I don’t get it and think perhaps they don’t either).

    R, do you identify with these people?

  115. My own conspiracy theory Tigre. I’ll tell you who I think is ginning this up. And this is one time I think our resident Poolman has got it right, though he may not fully understand the ramifications. It’s the one aspect that makes Ron Paul appealing to me, though I couldn’t vote for the man because he’s such a loon on the other half of the equation – foreign policy.

    George Soros, the Ford Foundation, the Tides Foundation, even a few members tied indirectly to the Fed. It’s actually a form of reverse psychology administered by the global banking whores, which I believe has virtually become a shadow government in itself.

    And they are desperate because more and more people are beginning to question their motives through their proxy the Fed and the IMF. These are smart bastards unlike Obama, knowing fully well the Left made up of disenfranchised useful idiots to be used and consumed. Michael Moore is there for a reason – he’s a puppet for the big boys with his propaganda.

    Do you see these dolts protesting The Fed, or Fannie Mae or Jeffrey Immelt? Hell no. The elite using class warfare argument to sick the underclass on capitalism – and really against the middle class and what makes up America. Period.

    It’s the John D. Rockefeller’s of the 21st century. It’s like Warren Buffett calling for higher taxes, while getting bank bailouts. He can’t lose. It’s why I have frequently call Obama a puppet on a string. Obama was elected by these bastards. I think this has been in the works for several years, and they saw a great opportunity in 2008 to start the process with a smooth talking, empty suit. They are well on their way to getting there. You think if the financial system collapses throughout the world, these jackboots are going down in a ball of flames with the rest of us?

    They’re last man standing. And then they really do control all aspects of your lives. Define this anyway you want. Global domination, New World Order, the Trilateral Commission, a host of other names over the years. What sounded nuts twenty years doesn’t look so outlandish now.

    It’s a ruse and a clever one, because you’ve got millions out there like Rutherford desperate to change the game. Only Rutherford doesn’t recognize he is being used. We all are. Create chaos, divide the country, implement the plan, let the house crumble to be remade in their image.

    And I will tell you in all seriousness, I actually do fear for my country because so many don’t understand the game of manipulation being played through the financial markets.

  116. I’m a little grumpy today.

    So Christie shouldn’t run. Because he said he wouldn’t. He insisted. We have proof. Thank God for video. (Didn’t mean to offend anyone. It’s just an expression.)

    Well. I’ll go even further than saying that he shouldn’t run. I think he should be disqualified. He is a liar and if we let one liar in Washington we’ll have to let them all in. Plus what about his obviously impending death? He’s very fat you know. That’s veerrry unhealthy, because after all he is very fat and might die soon and everyone knows we can see when people are about to die. Especially Republicans.

    Occupy Wall Street is the real deal. The Tea Party is not. I see. And we should be damn glad they are…what was that? – “making Wall Street fat cats a wee bit uncomfortable.” Alrighty then. I’ve got it. First though, I’ll need to work on getting that image of fatcat sweaty Micheal Moore out of my head. It doesn’t fit the directive. I forget who the fatcat is.

    Why I haven’t dumped BofA yet is a mystery. I’ve just put it on my To Do list. I dumped United. I’m eyeballing MetLife too. I’m fed up.

    “Cain. It’s the lefties that are obsessed with the politics of race and gender.” -Tigre

    Yep. Grr. What a question.

    Am I supposed to be a part of this dominionism thing? Is there a list of members somewhere I can look at?

  117. But my answer was a direct challenge to PFThug’s charges toward me. I used the three of you as example directed to Rabbit to demonstrate that the practice of religion, or the lack of a formal one not the line of demarcation in determining political philosophy, nor right from wrong.” – Tex

    This conversation being an exception…

  118. They have other benefactors

    Timing is everything Huck. Union support is coming to Occupy Wall Street late in the game. They’ve been there a good two weeks already … unions are just coming on board.

    Tea Party got “help” from day 1. Nice try. Thanks for playing.

  119. We can agree to disagree on this, but recognize that some of us have a hell of a lot more skin in the game.

    That shouldn’t be the case. We all have skin in the game.

    There is a simple point being made and I find it hard to understand why there isn’t common agreement. We ALL want the Jihadist to blow himself up before he does harm to others. The question is what does it do to our mind and soul to video tape this and play back the tape with pleasure.

    It’s the difference between killing an enemy combatant vs killing an enemy combatant and then pissing on his corpse. There is a reasonably healthy way to deal with the consequences of war and there is an unhealthy sick way to deal with it.

    G, wouldn’t even you agree with that?

  120. R, do you identify with these people?

    Look Tigre, I’m a logical person. I prefer focused protest. OWS shares with the TPM that same unfocused “I’m mad as hell and I’m not gonna take it anymore” approach.

    With that said, the reason why I get a more legit feel from OWS is that these folks are younger and they recognize that they are getting screwed. Forget this crap about what country we are leaving for our kids. The generation in their early 20’s is already screwed. Can’t find a job … huge student loans to pay off. Many moving back in with Mom and Dad.

    The Tea Party Movement is full of a bunch of folks who haven’t lost much yet. They railed initially about taxes right after Obama had given them a huge tax cut. Many in the movement were comfortable professionals, not down-trodden lower-middle-class.

    I find OWS to have a more genuine basis upon which to protest, albeit all over the map.

    Plus, it brings out the 60’s radical in me that I never got to be cos I was born 10 years too late. 😉

  121. You are talking about a cadre of folks who will put a remote det suicide vest on a mentally retarded person and send them into a crowd to kill dozens.

    People who intentionally surround themselves with women and children to protect them from strikes.

    There are rules to war, but for these guys, the rules are ‘there are no rules’. We limit ourselves in so many ways so we can win “hearts and minds”. For all the fucking good THAT’s doing us. I get frustrated on a regular basis, but always remind myself that we’re taking the higher ground. We’re playing by the rules and we’re protecting innocent life as much as possible.

    So no, considering how they conduct themselves, considering how they demean and degrade life, I have zero compunction whipping out my dick and taking a long steamy whiz.

    Fuck’em

  122. “The question is what does it do to our mind and soul to video tape this and play back the tape with pleasure.”

    Considerable. Seeing them fail and mocking them is cathartic. Trying like hell to empathize with them is not. Thanks for playing. (and frankly if Pajama Bin Huntin’ was wearing a French uniform I would laugh too — because it’s funny).

    Now tell me how cheering for the deaths of those trapped in the towers is the same please.

  123. I actually do fear for my country because so many don’t understand the game of MANipulation™ being played through the financial markets.

    Tex, since you’re talking like Poolman, I figured I’d correct that last sentence for you. 🙂

  124. LOL Muffy, you ARE grumpy today. 🙂

    I’m not suggesting Christie shouldn’t run because he said he wouldn’t. Heck if I’m not mistaken both Hillary and Barack said they wouldn’t.

    I think Christie’s liability is that he said on video he wasn’t READY. And by not ready, I did not interpret that to mean whimsically not ready. I interpreted it to mean not yet competent to be POTUS. That’s pretty damning coming from the man himself.

    Personally I hope he does run and gets the nomination because then I will really have to make a decision before going in the voting booth. As for all the current players, no rumination necessary at all.

    P.S. Don’t know if you meant to do this but please don’t lump me in with the folks who get on the guy for being fat. I’m not one of them. I have three words for you — William Howard Taft.

  125. Seeing them fail and mocking them is cathartic. Trying like hell to empathize with them is not.

    Oh God Tigre I know you hate this word but …. nuance man, nuance. There is a lot of room between delighting in another’s suffering and empathizing with him. I am by no means suggesting we should shed a tear for terrorist scum. The alternative to not crying is not looping a tape and laughing your head off.

    Catharsis is a base human phenomenon … our most basic animal drive. Don’t you strive to rise above your animal instincts? (Perhaps, dismissing evolution allows you to believe you’re not capable of acting like an animal?)

  126. “Forget this crap about what country we are leaving for our kids.”

    Never.

    Once again, you missed the point. The situation is more urgent than worrying about the next generation. The crisis is here now.

  127. Tex you can’t do better than source Alex Jones? He’s Poolman on steroids.

    😆 That’s funny. I actually have usually avoided linking Alex Jones here. He is very outspoken. Many in the truth movement think he’s a plant, but then, we’re naturally a paranoid bunch. Plenty have turned out to be plants and agent provocateurs. It is probably the most infiltrated group around today due to the seriousness of the message. But most of what AJ has reported on that I have reviewed seems to be legit.

    I don’t trust Michael Moore. Never have. Just something about him personally and doesn’t necessarily matter what his message is.

    The primary thing that should be evident to everyone by now is that the MSM is no source for real news. Not that they don’t report real news, it’s just that it is mingled with propaganda and often runs counter to the reality on the ground.

    Question everything. Take nothing for granted.

  128. R and Tex, for what it’s worth, I was in Seattle this weekend and witnessed the left coast version of Occupy Wall Street. Occupy Westlake. Westlake Mall is a public-private partnership, combining retail space and a public transportation hub. It has a modest plaza that they used as a platform. The Seattle Times reported 100 participants, but it was hard to discern the protesters from the gawkers. One guy stood out. He was wearing a green skirt and tie-die shirt, long gray hair, dancing and blowing kisses. (My wife noted that he just looked like he wanted to be part of something.)

    I don’t think any of the professional help that Huck has brought attention to has reached these folks. They chose to rally at the said public square when, on the opposite side of the same block was a BofA branch. Standing there would have focused the issues and given the paper something they could use on the front page. They did walk around the block banging a drum and chanting “We got sold out.” Scared the crap out of everybody in Starbucks.

    Some of the signs I saw were “Everything is OK, just keep shopping.” “Corporations own DC.” “Get money out of politics.” The most schizophrenic sign said “Re-Instate Glass-Steagall” on one side and had a photo-shop of Obama with a Hitler stache on the other side. I have to jet, but if you chew on this a bit today, I promise to return fire tonight. BTW Tex, I appreciate your comments toward the end of the last thread. I didn’t respond because it was taking forever to load there, just about killed my trained mouse. But here’s some insight. In Seattle I bought a mug that stated simply, “Peace. Love. Coffee.” Maybe that will help you peel another layer of the Thor onion. 🙂

  129. Stop kidding yourself about noble motives and especially about competence with these politicians, Rutherford. Want me to pick you up and take you for a nice afternoon drive past Obama’s house? Very nice pile of bricks. I mean NICE! Who is he calling Fat Cat anyway?

    Who knows what Christie means by ready. He’d have to elaborate. Hell he may mean he wants to get in shape first. He gets that it’s a 24-7 deal. He also said at least once that I know of that he prioritizes his family over running for or serving as President at this time. Maybe he’s waiting for his kids to get older. Has he ever said anything more akin to “competent” than “ready?”

    Christie isn’t gonna run anyway.

    LOL Muffy, you ARE grumpy today.”

    I know. I’m sick. Not just religious-ill – vomitous. Couch-bound.

    Plus I can smell Michael Moore’s hair through the television.

  130. I’ll let him fight his own battles, but your oversimplification is designed to twist his point. In fact, methinks you would have us believe we have an anti-christian (Constitution) government.

    No worries. His blindness prevents him from seeing the history to the contrary as anything other than a mistake. And his investment is a reality that is not prevents him from educating himself on al that he gets wrong. Nothing compels me to share in his error.

  131. You are talking about a cadre of folks who will put a remote det suicide vest on a mentally retarded person and send them into a crowd to kill dozens.

    People who intentionally surround themselves with women and children to protect them from strikes.

    In a word: evil.

    And yes, I am going to laugh everytime evil shoots itself in the dick. No amoung of sanctimony and handwringing from you is going to change that.

  132. I don’t think any of the professional help that Huck has brought attention to has reached these folks.

    Its something in the greater Seattle part of King county. Teh crazee is strong here.

    Its why my office is in south King county and my home in central Pierce. If I had my way, we’d have 10 acres out by Eatonville, far, far away from the madness in Seattle.

    .

  133. “There is a lot of room between delighting in another’s suffering and empathizing with him.”

    Apparently you missed the discussion, however, I did not miss in my prediction that you’d attempt to occupy a place of self-determined moral superiority out of the discussion.

    CLEARLY it is not laughing at human suffering. The entire video set to the tune of Benny Hill music is to ridicule the ineptitude of a thousand dunces. The comedy of errors from those whose lives I do not value because they do not value mine or their own.

    There is no fucking “nuance” Rutherford. You are just so dense you do not see the obvious.

    Go shed your tears elsewhere. There is no comparison between this and cheering for those that died in towers that you refuse to address because it is patently absurd.

  134. “Once again, you missed the point. The situation is more urgent than worrying about the next generation. The crisis is here now.”

    Once again, you missed the point in your effort appear enlightened. If your objective is to better any generation other than your own you might have a more balanced view of the Tea Party versus these “protest-for-the-sake-of-protesting” types. Instead, you chose to define them as old racists to ease your a conscience that actually thinks the fiscal policies of Obama the right ones.

  135. Rutherford I realize I’m arguing with you over things you didn’t say, alright? Get over it.

    Anybody else?

    I didn’t think so.

  136. Rutherford I realize I’m arguing with you over things you didn’t say, alright? Get over it.

    My daughter spent yesterday morning vomiting. I wonder if it’s something in the Chicagoland air?

  137. Rutherford, please hear me. I don’t take you as a serious opponent anymore. You’re clearly a well educated rube without one ounce of sense. You’re wrong about everything of importance, generally amoral, invariably on the wrong side of right vs. wrong equation. You’re damaged goods anymore and it is time to let go of your hangups and admit you backed a nag in the horse race. Time to let go.

    I’m not kidding you that either I was a horrid evaluator of character three years ago, or you have taken one gigantic leap backward in your arguments. I went back to Chen’s last night and confirmed your responses a shell of their former self. Where we once exchanged ideas albeit at opposite sides of the spectrum, you’ve now become nothing but snark in your response. There was a time you were a thinking lib, worthy of response. Not anymore. It became most apparent to me shortly after Jim Dougan died. It’s like somebody flipped a switch in your head and you gave in or gave up. You need to turn on whatever was turned off. I’m not kidding you.

    ———–

    Alex Jones is a Ron Paul disciple and I’ll admit somebody I generally find way out in space. I don’t put much stock in most of his estimations.

    But like Ron Paul, that doesn’t mean Alex is wrong about everything. Ron Paul is right about the Fed but unrealistic in his solutions. Anybody with any knowledge of how markets work and has observed the financial markets the last two decades knows that shenanigans have been occurring at the Fed in collusion abroad, that our currency is being manipulated, that our interest rates artificially low, that our debt unsustainable except throughout the period of the tech bubble which proved a charade, and that Obama is nothing but a marionette and bad hair cut waiting for the next string to be pulled. He is a tool only that is corrupt enough to be manipulated – I doubt even he knows how deep he is in. When I said Rockfeller, I meant it.

    Technicals are a thing of the past; fundamentals can now be summarily discounted. We are most definitely in a state of crony capitalism which in itself is an attack on real capitalism – that’s totalitarianism by another name.

    Why you fools from the Left are racing to be like Europe when Europe is now imploding is anyone’s best guess – it must be some form of self-loathing. I suspect it is because deep down you believe you are incapable of thriving on a level playing field, and require the nanny state for your very survival.

    Whatever it is, your Occupy Wallstreet isn’t any solution – it’s only adds to the problem by mudding the waters more and letting the people manipulating you, use you further.

  138. By the way. For all you leftists fond of government meddling in free enterprise, and you are miffed that a $5.00 charge of your debit card, while you’re complaining about BoA – which you have a right to abhor, why does Dick Durbin get a free pass from you?

    Does anybody not remember the Durbin Amendment, which gives the FED the power to regulate interchange fees? This is what happens when government regulates business gang. The eventual cost is only passed on to the consumer. That would be you.

    And while I’m at it, how about the brilliance of this scam proposal by President Barack Obama’s latest ploy of “job creation.” I see where they are predicting American Airlines doom, which dropped the market further today.

    Well, isn’t that coincidental. Why just last week I learned that Mr. Obama has suggesting implementing a $100 fee for commercial planes and corporate jets for a “take off” tax – every time they take off. To add to the misery, Obama wants to raise the Transportation Security Administration per passenger security fee to $5 per leg with an additional bump of 50 cents per year from 2013 through 2017.

    Which leaves airlines with one of two choices: (1) swallow the costs in an already struggling industry; (2) pass the costs on to you. So what do all you frequent flier lefties might happen? Hmmm?

    And Rutherford wants for us all to believe that Obama is “cutting our taxes.”

  139. Man, I ought to leave this quote over at Chatty Kitchen for all the man haters. I think I will next time I see a new post.

    “If women ran the world, mankind would still be living in caves, albeit with really, really fancy curtains.” That is: invention “just isn’t in our nature.” ~ Kate McMillan

    😆

  140. “In any case, no one who is serious about the future of our country is making a big deal over Christie’s girth.”

    Have you quit watching MSNBC?

  141. That Alex Jones rant was actually good. He spares no party. His main point: It’s the global banking cartel and the six major banks represented by the Fed that we should be focusing on and protesting. They are killing this country and MANipulating™ this uprising. They have paid themselves trillions of our wealth.

    Pay no attention to the other diversions. This IS the real battle. The rest, I would suspect, is mixed with propaganda.

    Whose message is it? Who does it condemn or support? Their main goal is to keep it in an arena – corral it. Then it becomes hijacked and the revolution energy is diverted to be an ideological, environmental, societal, racial, partisan, etc. battle.

  142. Eternal witticisms of Ronald Reagan talking to a smart assed college student while governor:

    “You grew up in a different world,” the student said. “Today we have television, jet planes, space travel, nuclear energy, computers. …”

    Taking advantage of a pause in the student’s litany, Reagan said, “You’re right. We didn’t have those things when we were young. We invented them.”

  143. Taking advantage of a pause in the student’s litany, Reagan said, “You’re right. We didn’t have those things when we were young. We invented them.”

    That was great.

    Man, could we use his voice now. And I’m not even talking from a political point of view.

    I remember being around 12 or 13 years old and recognizing what a great leader he was.

  144. Liberal Nirvana – Rutherford’s astroturf “Occupy Wall Street” he’s so proud… loon city.

    Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending “Freetrade” by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

    Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

    Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

    Demand four: Free college education.

    Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

    Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

    Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America’s nuclear power plants.

    Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.

    Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

    Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.

    Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the “Books.” World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the “Books.” And I don’t mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

    Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

    Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.
    These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy.

    http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/

  145. Up to 15 Marines on leave will be going to NYC and WILL likely be arrested.
    What a waste of time clicking on the “news” link. Folks get in touch with the laws that actually prevent a real deployment from happening even though nut jobs like PM believe USANorthComm is all about rounding up Ron Paul supporters and Troofers and taking them to FEMA camps for re-education.

    OWS is a fucking joke.It continues not because it resonates with the masses but because the losers have nothing better to do. They will be allowed to exhibit their uselessness until it gets to be too big of a pain in the ass and then they will be purged like the homeless in Tompkins Park.In the end the legacy will be that the OWS crowd are but a pathetic footnote in history and that the demons of Wall St will be party to the eventual return of better times for the American economy.

  146. So, Rutherford, you on board with “Occupy Wallstreet”?

    Leftist morons. It would be a joy if the Pinkertons gave me and my softball bat a contract to clean up the lisping, upper-middle class bongo players.

    That being said, Wallstreet deserves this annoyance.

    I’m surprised it took so long for it to happen.

    Capitalism has lost so much street cred, a crowd of these morons was inevitable.

    In my eyes, the banks made demands as preposterous as these queers, considering they’re supposed to be the pillars of Capitalism. The only difference is that their demands are consistently met.

    I’ve heard there is a major division amongst the fem-bots. There is a hard core “Zerohedge” type who at least have a basic understanding of how the world works and knowledge of who the true villains are.

    Things are going to unravel. But this aint it.

    Ill be looking out only for fellow Rabbits.

    The economic hardships I’ve endured has made me a better family man, a smarter dude and, due to some tough decisions, more secure then I ever was back when I was one of 300 million fools.

    Bring it on. All of it.

  147. God help the ruling class if America ever wakes up and realizes the left’s entire platform is the proven failure that it is.

    The silly utopianism of these morons needs to be replaced with the following reality: we are in a generational war.

    I’m convinced that the entire shin dig , from monetary policy, to organized labor to legislation, exists to keep the Baby Boom generation in their nice duds and fancy shoes, despite the fact it will drown the future.

    I don’t think there is necessarily some “they” behind the scenes. Its not a conspiracy. Its simply a cashed out credit card that has been enjoyed by the most entitled generation of Americans.

    All policy ends up favoring this generation who need just a decade more of theft until they get to die with smiles on their face.

    They grew up in the shadows of heroes. They spit on their own for the audacity of serving something greater themselves. People exist for their benefit, even their own sons and daughters serve as hosts to these parasites.

    Most of them clueless as they chew what they think is a free lunch like fucking cud.

  148. Those demands are so off message. Liberal Nivana? Nah. Maybe they’re tripping or it’s an intentional derailer. Maybe the site is bogus. That’s a mishmash of “demands” and topics to even consider, none of which get to the heart of the problem. Idiocy.

    But don’t underestimate the entire movement. It may be misguided and will need time to focus and dump the diversions. 15 marines may not sound like much, but it IS symbolic – and not all astro-turfy symbolic either. It’ll play out.

    On a separate note, this struck me rather funny. Realizing the UK is suffering in similar ways we are, makes this to me, just a tad bit absurd. This whole “no electricity or machinery operation” on the Sabbath thingy, sure takes me back. These gray areas are all so, well, gray. I’m guessing it’s okay if someone else drives, turns on the lights, cooks, answers the smart phone, etc. 😐

    Oh, and Alfie. FYI: Go ahead and skip all my links so you don’t waste any time. Really. I thought you were already doing that, so I wasn’t too awfully concerned with catering to your palate.

  149. Papa Grande sure makes it exciting, doesn’t he Mr. Rabbit? 🙂

    Thoroughly enjoyed watching a baseball game, in between a trip to gutter Walmart.

    Verlander is the real deal. 100mph in the eight inning? Haven’t seen that since Nolan.

    Go Tigers!

  150. I may be the only guy in the universe that isn’t a big fan of Derek Jeter – though he’s excellent and has been for years, I’ve always found him Derek a bit pretentious for my tastes.

    Jeter actually struck out twice. That split finger was the best pitch Papa through, and Jeter got four strikes.

  151. Tex,

    Now why would you think Breitbart’s “peg” would be considered right-wing bias? The fact that in his tweet he blames it all on the left?

    Really he plays his role rather well and is actually less obnoxious than he use to be. Maybe I’ve just grown accustomed to it. Who knows? But the fact is, this is NOT a partisan protest. Yes, factions will want it played that way, but both republicans and democrats have got their hands in the till. This is not a political fight. Don’t fall for that line.

  152. that the demons of Wall St will be party to the eventual return of better times for the American economy.

    Wow that’s sad. Never thought I’d see Alfie write such a thing.

    Yup keep cheering for the folks who gambled your money away.

  153. The rank hypocrisy on this board sickens me. But as usual, vindictive Republican/Conservatives are now using this as their revenge time for all the criticism the Tea Party got.

    Face it boys, every insult you throw at the OWS crowd has already been leveled at the Tea Party in spades. So I’m left to wonder, is it just petty tit-for-tat or are you boys really so blind that you don’t see what you’re doing.

    I’m not a huge fan of Michael Moore but he said one thing tonight that resonated with me big time. I’d like to see a f*cking perp walk with some of the bankers who screwed our economy playing their little game. I want to see a few bankers thrown in jail. That’s the only way to stop folks from trading in worthless paper in the future. 👿

  154. That being said, Wallstreet deserves this annoyance.

    Make up your mind Rabbit. So disgusted with young liberals that you can’t join the fight against the bastards who don’t give a rat’s ass about you? Of anybody on this board, you are the biggest purveyor of the “what’s the matter with Kansas” syndrome. You’re digging yourself out of a hole … an undeserved hole. You’ve been screwed by the banks. Yet you mock the folks who FINALLY are taking the fight to where it belongs.

    Let’s get down to brass tacks. I get Tex … his house is paid for and financially he’s sitting quite pretty. If he weren’t, his ass would be employed right now. Among our other denizens we’ve got well paid attorneys and fed employees. I expect them to identify with Wall Street and reject those who protest. But you, I don’t get you dude. You and I have both been hit with some tough times. How can you not tell me that we would not be fools to sympathize with Wall Street criminals? It’s us against them dude … and the OWS crowd is on our side.

    P.S. Tex likes to play this split personality game. One minute he’s spouting Poolman worthy theories of One-World financial schemes and the next he’s condemning the kids who face a rough future because of the games the powerful have played with this country.

    Look I’m no expert on the OWS movement, but the more I hear and read the more I like.

  155. I don’t think there is necessarily some “they” behind the scenes.

    Think Bank of America, rabbit. Tsskk. You were showing so much promise…

    “If we were merely dealing with the law of averages, half of the events affecting our nation’s well-being should be good for America. If we were dealing with mere incompetence, our leaders should occasionally make a mistake in our favor. We are not dealing with coincidence or stupidity, but with planning and brilliance.” ~ Gary Allen

    “In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way.” ~ Franklin D. Roosevelt

    “The best way to control the opposition is to lead it.” — Vladimir Lenin

    We should be using this time to stand on our own two feet and really stand for something other than the lesser of two evils. We all know the Dollar Debt Paradigm is on the verge of collapse. When it does, we will need real answers that will never see the light of day in the False Left Right Paradigm of the Democrat/Socialist and Republican/Fascist parties.

    http://dont-tread-on.me/beware-of-the-patriot-pied-piper/

  156. Well, R? Are you on board with Occupy Wall street or not?

    What, because you were proven to be a fucking idiot about a political movement means that we can never judge any other, competing political movements?

    Go ahead, dunce. Defend Occupy Wall street. I want another laugh at a political blogger most famous for being dead wrong about pretty much everything.

    Hey, at least we aren’t the types to bust out laughing after you walk out the room.

    As usual, the joke is on you.

  157. Just because I got screwed (with a hefty pinch of my own doing also in the mix) doesn’t mean I blindly join a movement.

    We’ve seen how that plays out in history.

    I gave you my take on them and what I feel is the real conflict.

    OWS is angry that they can’t join the fiction. But like all fiction, the story is going to end. We can’t spend other people’s money forever. I say burn the book, not add another chapter.

  158. “that the demons of Wall St will be party to the eventual return of better times for the American economy.”-A

    I think what he means is that one day the free market and Capitalism will return and we will be better for it.

    At least I hope so.

    You are correct. They gambled our money away.

  159. One minute he’s spouting Poolman worthy theories of One-World financial schemes and the next he’s condemning the kids who face a rough future because of the games the powerful have played with this country.

    I’m curious. Are you so ingrained in liberal thinking that you just ignore uncomfortable facts and truth anymore? Are you so embarrassed Obama has been such as disaster? Or are you so ignorant that you think Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big Insurance, Big Medical is to blame for all our ills?

    How do you know I’m sitting pretty? I just lost 30% of one IRA account in less than three month heavy in oil and gold, partially out of stubbornness – partially to prove a point to a friend managing account I could do better. He didn’t follow my instructions because he “knew” better a few months back. If I was licensed, I’d do it all on my own and be done with any third party money management. Perhaps there is where I should put my formal education – to passing a bunch of CPF tests.

    But what I do recognize Rutherford that you don’t, is these phonies shilling for Obama’s reelection bid and occupying Wall Street have their water guns pointed at the wrong crowd. Capitalism is not at fault, and Wall Street but a small part of Corporate America.

    Where’s your criticism of Fannie Mae and these billion dollar home mortgage scammers – they get a pass because they are huge donators to Barack Obama? Where is your criticism of Ben Bernacke, or George Soros, or Jeffrey Immelt, or Robert Rubin, or even the richest and biggest hypocrite of them all Warren Buffett, the ultimate crony capitalist? You’re certainly quick on the draw of Republican supporters like Koch to demonize. You never even made mention of my two examples of Frank-Dodd regulation gone wrong from above (a joke being those two are more responsible for our real estate collapse that George Bush could have ever dreamed), proving Obama & Co. have indeed been increasing our taxes under the guise of fees.

    You can’t call me a hypocrite when your own accusations are irrelevant to the issues at hand. Where’s your condemnation of millions of irresponsible people who bought more home than they could afford? Aren’t they ultimately responsible for being suckered into the melee with us who followed all the rules footing the bill? Yes government made the instrument too easily available with a wink, but nobody put a gun to the borrower’s head either. Yes, too big to fail banks are incompetent boobs and greedy thieves. But nary a word about self-sufficiency and personal responsibility. Not a peep about union bailouts. And don’t give me the baloney about how I haven’t had the same experiences. I graduated right smack at the end of the Jimmy Carter recession – every bit as bad a recession as this one.

    This occupy Wall Street sham is a front for liberal causes, reelecting Obama, a chance to party and have some misguided purpose, to be a part of a movement, though they have no idea what the ramifications, and not much more. The people they interview are pitiful, filthy and belligerent. There is little or no virtue in a bunch of slacking anarchists and professional protestors who want America to become more like nanny state Europe.

    Michael Moore, the slayer of corporate greed with rank propaganda and lies, who holds a multi-million dollar stock portfolio made up a thousands of shares of Halliburton stock. College was never a guarantee for employment, anymore than government a guarantee for job creation.

    You have lost all capability of objective thought and personal reflection Rutherford.

  160. Rutherford
    I actually agree with you to a degree comparing the two movements;however,there is major difference. The OWS isn’t as grass roots in its genesis. It is simply the latest outlet of the various entities,the usual suspects ala Hate America but not willing to move.

  161. I don’t see a rational comparison with protesting the private sector and protesting the government/elected officials. If this weren’t more dumb “gimme, gimmee, gimmee” it would have a focused political objective. Tex asks the right questions.

    R, sorry the mansion thing didn’t work out. I didn’t go that route.
    How were you cheated and why do you belive I am in favor of it?

  162. Occupy Wall Street is a three-ring circus the more I read about it.

    Reminds me of the Obama orgy I witnessed down in Texas in 2008. You could smell the ganja three miles away. 😈 Oh, the memories of the Rutherford type as they danced naked before the stage of progressive stars.

    That was then. This is now.

    OWS fulfills the Left’s requirement to stay in a perpetual state of Fat Tuesday while pursuing nirvana. How long before the beads come out and we start seeing some of those saggy titties from ugly liberal women, bought by greasers with crumbled dollar bills, growing scruffy soul patches and wearing tats, piercings and knit caps covering unwashed, filthy hair?

    The Land of the Free’s lowest common denominator.

  163. The OWS protest of Wall Street is like protesting Dominoes for making pizzas or just protesting “poverty.” It’s so irrational and founded in class warfare (which Obama refuses to admit but is indeed his platform) that I think something is rotten in Denmark. This is looking like a proxy.

    And why would they support Obama when it comes to what is supposedly important to them? Mr. Tarp and Bailout is beholden to Wall Street.

  164. You might want to head down there Tex. More of this and $100 bills will thrown from the windows by the shuttering bankers and executives to quell the masses.

  165. This occupy Wall Street Tea Party sham is a front for liberal conservative causes, reelecting opposing Obama, a chance to party and have some misguided purpose, to be a part of a movement, though they have no idea what the ramifications, and not much more. The people they interview are pitiful, filthy and belligerent. There is little or no virtue in a bunch of slacking anarchists and professional protestors socially insecure and incredibly uninformed middle class Americans who want America to become more like nanny state Europe America to return to the 1950’s where everyone knew their “place” and our only real enemy was the Communists.

    Took a lot of work but I corrected it for you. 🙂

  166. How were you cheated and why do you belive I am in favor of it?

    Contrary to Tex’s suggestion, Tigre, I know how I contributed to my own downfall. I don’t totally lack introspection. BUT Acme Anvils showed me the door for no other reason than corporate greed. Now I know I’m not the first to get laid off, nor will I be the last. I know that part of my “contract” with Acme was that they could dissolve our relationship without cause. Doesn’t make it right. Doesn’t mean I should sit back and cheer on corporate America whose priorities are totally f*cked up.

    The “get rich whatever way you can” ethos of Wall Street is shared by much of corporate America. Since our government only gives lip service to the disgraceful behavior of Wall Street, it’s time that the “people” raised their voices.

    Will it come to anything? Maybe not. But Tigre, since I know you’re a big fan of catharsis … well it’s damn cathartic to see some protest delivered at the folks who not only screwed the pooch but emerged unharmed and blameless.

    P.S. Tex, believe it or not, while I have no personal experience with Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, I completely agree with you. Pushing mortgages on folks who could not afford them simply to force-feed the American dream was a very bad idea. The reason I don’t focus on them is that they are outside my experience. But I’ve experienced corporate America and I react to that in a visceral way.

  167. And why would they support Obama when it comes to what is supposedly important to them? Mr. Tarp and Bailout is beholden to Wall Street.

    The first good point you’ve made although the only reporter telling me this is a pro-Obama protest is that fearless journalist Tex Taylor. 🙂

  168. I still want to know how Wall Street or the bank that held your mortgages screwed you and Rabbit since you’re such an indignant cheerleader. In a lot of ways, R, I think you screwed me. I decided to live in a modest home.

  169. Hell Rutherford,

    You’re so paranoid and defensive anymore, I didn’t even include you in the ship of fools. Your picture doesn’t indicate you’re filthy, wear a soul patch or knit cap, tatted, pierced, or a chronic ganja fan.

    I’m assuming your paid your dues for your kingdom in CT, loss or no loss. Apparently no matter how useful an idiot, you at least are honest in matters of signed agreement.

    This Occupy Wall Street is a joke and an excuse to turn on – it should be renamed Reoccupy Woodstock. If they are serious, they should be sitting on the Congressional Steps.

    And why aren’t those disenfranchised students breaking down the gates of the White House? Have you seen this form of harassment instigated by their ‘former’ false messiah, turned failed President?

    To the dismay of consumer groups and the discomfort of Democrats, President Barack Obama wants Congress to make it easier for private debt collectors to call the cellphones of consumers delinquent on student loans and other billions owed the federal government…

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_DEBT_COLLECTORS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-10-04-06-36-08

    Obama turned debt collector.

  170. I do find a measure of poetic justice that the mindless, weed addled rubes that put Obama in the Whitehouse, are now being chased out of their own house by the smiling Kenyan and his agent jackboots – and most of the unemployable students with their student loans are being tracked by the Big Brother and are so ignorant, they don’t even know it.

    😈

  171. I still want to know how Wall Street or the bank that held your mortgages screwed you and Rabbit since you’re such an indignant cheerleader. In a lot of ways, R, I think you screwed me. I decided to live in a modest home.

    I have less of a gripe with BofA than I have with my former employer. BUT, here’s a little game BofA did play with me that really pissed me off.

    They contacted me concerning my credit card on which I had a pretty decent credit line. I also had a perfect payment record. I wanted to get my wife a card and in talking with them they said they would not only send her a card but they’d up my line … and get this … with no qualification or financial justification. Just cos I was a solid customer. Next thing I know they’re asking me salary questions (which they said they would not do) and I’m giving them honest answers. The final result: they cut my credit line down to $2000.00 (and no card for my wife).

    Now let me be clear, had I been them, I might have done the same thing since despite my excellent payment record, my income had dropped significantly and I was now a greater risk. What pissed me off was the promise that my line would be increased no questions asked and then they did a 180 on me. Needless to say I rejected offers of more credit from any of my other creditors since I learned their word is sh*t.

    But with all that said, BofA was not my real enemy — I got my satisfaction by ceasing my relationship with them.

    As for how I screwed you, you’ll have to help me with that one. Your housing decisions are your business. But I assure you, no matter how modest your home, you are one serious illness or one layoff away from serious trouble unless you’ve made some real safety net contingencies. By the way, with our combined salary, we could afford our home. It was, I admit, a stretch, but we never missed a payment for anything. (In fact, even after my layoff, we never missed a payment. I sacrificed almost my entire 401K retirement account to meet my end of the bargain.)

  172. Where’s your criticism of Fannie Mae and these billion dollar home mortgage scammers – they get a pass because they are huge donators to Barack Obama? Where is your criticism of Ben Bernacke, or George Soros, or Jeffrey Immelt, or Robert Rubin, or even the richest and biggest hypocrite of them all Warren Buffett, the ultimate crony capitalist? You’re certainly quick on the draw of Republican supporters like Koch to demonize. You never even made mention of my two examples of Frank-Dodd regulation gone wrong from above (a joke being those two are more responsible for our real estate collapse that George Bush could have ever dreamed), proving Obama & Co. have indeed been increasing our taxes under the guise of fees.

    Word.

  173. Now I know I’m not the first to get laid off, nor will I be the last. I know that part of my “contract” with Acme was that they could dissolve our relationship without cause. Doesn’t make it right. Doesn’t mean I should sit back and cheer on corporate America whose priorities are totally f*cked up.

    What’s that, sonny? I can’t hear you over your banging sippy cup.
    Rutherford, no one owes you anything. Seriously. Corporations don’t exist to give people jobs, they exist to generate profits for the shareholders. What isn’t “right” is someone who knows better whining about whether or not their layoff was “right”. Seriously, what did you bring to the table, R? Were you indispensible to the company’s success? Did you bring a multi million dollar idea to the table? Were you a recognized and trusted voice for the company? Did you possess and utilize great skills that mad the company more efficient and profitable in the face of “economic headwinds”? If not, then the simple fact is, there was nothing “wrong” about the company deciding that youwere expendabl;e. I’m sorry, but that is how it is. No amount of cockeyed babbling about a social contract ala Elizabeth, your stuff is my stuff Warren will change that.
    Frankly, it denotes a really shitty attitude, and if I were hiring, its the kind I would pass over.

  174. Now let me be clear, had I been them, I might have done the same thing since despite my excellent payment record, my income had dropped significantly and I was now a greater risk. What pissed me off was the promise that my line would be increased no questions asked and then they did a 180 on me. Needless to say I rejected offers of more credit from any of my other creditors since I learned their word is sh*t.” – R

    Who’s word is shit? Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe there is an obligation that you report major changes to your financial situation. You see, your credit is based on your ability to pay, or in this case, your inability to pay in line with your credit line. You’re pissed because you thought you were entitled to that credit line because you hadn’t fucked it up before. But that is not to say that you wouldn’t fuck it up in the future.

    If you want to blame someone for your credit dropping, look in the mirror.

  175. Next thing I know they’re asking me salary questions (which they said they would not do) and I’m giving them honest answers. The final result: they cut my credit line down to $2000.00 (and no card for my wife).

    😯 followed by 😆

    I’m sorry Rutherford. I read that, and couldn’t help but thinking “when it rains, it pours.” Now that is dirty pool. When a guy’s credit history is clean and he’s got a record of honesty and payment, everything else is irrelevant IMO.

    Now if you want to me climb on the Rutherford Lawson bus tour to go to war with BoA, I’m all in. If it makes you feel any better, my widow neighbor across the street, 75 years old and who is losing her house, has found the same ‘outstanding’ levels of service from Wells Fargo. She’s been harassed and demoralized while talking to fifteen different people (that is no exaggeration), and not one knows that the other has even called. It’s an absolute melt down of customer service.

    I was with Merrill Lynch for a time and bailed upon the merger with BoA. They moved my account to New York and didn’t even notify me to the best of my knowledge. I could make a fifteen minutes trip before to make a withdrawal. After that, I had to make a long distance call on my dime when their 800 number didn’t even have an appropriate choice. Took two weeks to receive the check. 😡

  176. Poolman, you’re are an enigma.

    That kid’s actually pretty sound except that he’s wrong about manufacturing, tethered to corrupt unions, and returning to a precious metals standard is no longer feasible. Good to see there is somebody at Reoccupy Woodstock that is saying something at least half way sensible, though.

    But the kid needs to march his contingent to the Washington Congressional Building – not Wall Street. Wall Street is the symptom – not the cure.

    http://www.worldsrichestcountries.com/top_us_exports.html

    Paul’s answer on abortion was my answer. He’s right about the Fed; Paul is right about states rights. He has an appeal to some of my Libertarian interests. He’s a far more appealing candidate than Obama.

    But Paul is overwhelmingly wrong about foreign policy, its dangers, and his proposed isolation. It’s a dangerous world in which we must be actively involved if we wish to survive.

  177. OWS is not about poor customer service at the banks.

    R, based on what you said to Rabbit, I wrongly assumed you had defaulted on your mortgage and were “victimized” by the banking system somehow. What the fuck are you cheering or sneering at him for over all of this? Unlike those dumb fucks blocking traffic, Rabbit acknowledges his own culpability while being pissed at the state of things too. Then you point the finger at me and Tex and BiW for supposedly siding with Wall Street — whatever the fuck that means — because in your estimation haven’t suffer the same economic woes you have?

    But if you don’t think that there’s not price being paid for TARP and bailouts by those of us that did not spend beyond their means, there’s no hope for you. (and I’m not saying that’s you if you paid your bills, but you are the supporting OWS’s objective — whatever the hell it is).

    Tea Party were protesting the elected officials to whom they were accountable. OWS is protesting “Wall Street” and in your case big business that is not accountable to them (they are to the government and shareholders however).

    Have a point people. Go take your grievances to Congress.

    I am convinced this is a proxy protest. Someone here said it was orchestrated by a PR director/consultant for Obama. Wouldn’t shock me a bit since he’s not really instigating “class warfare.” 😆

  178. Christie out! But he does take a shot at POTUS’s leadership. Chicken sh*t. It’s like the guy who doesn’t pick brackets but tells you who he “would have picked” right after they win. And he made a wonderful statement. “A no is a no until it’s a yes.” He’ll make a great running mate for Romney.

  179. Christie was no more than Rick Perry was. Both have been successful governors. Mitch Daniels and Bob McDonnell could claim the same. Christie had some major holes in his resume, and a few really bad policies he was going to sit on the hot seat for – gun control, AGW, immigration being at least three. There are no such thing as the perfect candidate, and I’m not sure Christie would have held up any better on the spotlight after the media savaged him than Perry has. It takes several years to get acclimated to a national spotlight and a corrupt and hostile media, and I give Christie a pat on his fat ass for realizing that. Rick Perry should have known better. Neither are going away and in time, both will be formidable. Neither are anywhere near as eloquent as Marco Rubio.

    Fortunately, I’m old enough to remember that we didn’t exalt Ronald Reagan in 1976, or 1980 as his excellence. It wasn’t until well into his the end of his first term, America realized what a fabulous President Reagan was. For a time, Mondale polled at or near Reagan, and Reagan had lost the Senate in 1982. Hard to believe how fast the opinions changed.

    Like now, 1980 was as much a referendum on Jimmy Carter’s rotten Presidency as it was support for Carter’s political opponent, Ronald Reagan.

    And this election will be a direct referendum on Obola’s diseased presidency. I don’t care who the candidate is for the Republican party – they will be infinitely better than Broke Obola.

    Republicans would do well to quit the sniping (that goes for Herman Cain and his own ‘racist’ hang ups ** puke **, stick to the issue of how to establish the smallest federal government possible, address the monetary and entitlement issues with some guts (and I give kudos to Rick Perry no matter how lousy he was in the debate for calling Social Security out – Mitt Romney is gutless and to me the closest thing to RINO in this field). I don’t think Romney is what we really need. I don’t Romney has enough principle to make the extraordinary changes we need to implement…

    …but he’s a damn site better than what we’ve got.

  180. Christie was never in.

    If you were paying attention, you would have realized that,

    As fo criticizing Obama’s leadership, I’m pretty sure that all of us who have to live with Obama’s lack of leadership have the right to criticise it. Such dissent was often touted as the highest example of patriotism when George W. Bush was Prez….especially when it was being done by people who had neither the responsibiliies or duties of leadership, a/k/a so-called entertainers. If someone who actually has to deliver on the policies they espouse wants to use their time on a soapbox to point out where the Fresh Prez of Bill Ayers has been a Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure, I’d be more inclined to listen to them than I would a spoiled entertainer who feels guilty about having piles of cash in their bank accounts and wants to assuage their guilt by seeing to it that I do pennance with them.

  181. As interesting as a Christie run would have been, I give the guy credit for integrity. He told everyone he wasn’t running and guess what? He’s not running.

    Chris Christie 2016 — can I get an amen?

  182. that goes for Herman Cain and his own ‘racist’ hang ups ** puke **

    It’s amazing how often Tex I lose track of what an ass you can be.

    Cain was asked about the camping site. What was he supposed to say? “Oh yeah massa, I loves me some Ni**er Head!”

    Are my undies in a bunch over “the rock”? No. I take it for granted that most southerners come from a tradition of vile racism. The fact that Perry had the name removed (regardless of when) is a small feather in his cap. But Cain’s response was completely appropriate and you should be delighted that like a true slave to the Tea Party and GOP establishment, Cain walked back his criticism a day or so later. 😐

    Perry’s problem won’t be racism. Perry’s problem will be incoherence and total un-readiness to lead the nation.

    The next big question will be whether the Christian conservatives will give into their own bigotry and reject Romney purely for being Mormon. Time will tell.

  183. And I repeat … of the current crop, based purely on resume, the best candidate is Jon Huntsman. No one else on that stage has the mix of executive experience and foreign policy experience that Huntsman has.

  184. Muffy, if memory serves, you’re an ex-denizen of Fat Grannies so I have to ask … are you a conservative? While I still love you (in a non-romantic sort of way) I am surprised by some of your latest mini-rants.

    Where would you say you fall politically?

  185. But Cain’s response was completely appropriate and you should be delighted that like a true slave to the Tea Party and GOP establishment, Cain walked back his criticism a day or so later.

    Parroted baloney from another time – NAACP worthy and totally inappropriate. Made Cain look weak and maligned. Cain walked it back because people recognize slander when they see it and Cain recognized his piling on was the end of candidacy if he didn’t walk it back – that is, people recognize it if they aren’t amoral.

    There are very few blacks who aren’t touched by a tinge of racism themselves – that so called ‘black experience’ you speak. It’s not whites beating up blacks in lynchings anymore. Morgan Freeman is the latest but a million examples that truth be known, he’s every bit the racist that those he accuses in the ‘Tea Party’ could ever be. I decided a few years ago, I’d had enough of this double standard bullshit guys Morgan Freeman want me to live by. Morgan Freeman, who I happened to like until this little incident, can kiss my lily white ass. It’s offensive that I can’t wholly disagree with a black man because he happens to be black. Well, my heart bleeds for the ‘black experience’. Screw that. This ‘reverse racism’ is going to be called and it is going to stop, and has in my book.

    How about as response: “this is obviously a hit job by the corrupted media of the U.S. – the same media that shamelessly helped put an unqualified Jr. Senator with no experience in business in the White House. I believe I am more qualified that Rick Perry. But Rick Perry had nothing to do with painting a vile name on that rock and you media types always trying create racial strife and class warfare know it. Why are you asking me? Because I’m black? That’s offensive. Ask Rick Perry or let it go, and let’s discuss issues that matter instead of a hit job by a liberal newspaper from an incident that happened 30 years ago.”

    You ask what I thought of Herman Cain? Now in about the same boat with Michelle Bachmann’s stupid rant of mental retardation caused by vaccines. Cain’s demagoguery immediately has disqualified him in my book. Maybe Cain would be great in a cabinet position. But he is obviously unqualified to be President with that one remark.

  186. I think Cain made the mistake of answering the question without knowing enough about the facts to form a good answer.

    I heard him on Hannity last night while I was driving home.

    I was disgusted at the sound of two grown men trying not to say a word, because it only encourages those who live to find offense in what other people say, and because it contributes to the tacit conclusion that we each have a right to be free from being offended. Ain’t no such damn right, and the minute people stop it with deferring to that bullshit is the day we show signs of being worthy of saving from what’s coming.

    That said, Cain had a few correct answers, including pointing out that he actually went through the civil rights era, and that as an American, he is proud of the progress that the country has made on race relations in his lifetime.

    Its too early to write any of them off yet (except for Paul…he needs to retire and kick the neighborhood kids off his lawn) and we need to cling to two truths:
    1. Any one of them would be a better President than the one we have (and that includes the crazy old man);and
    2. We need to stop looking for the one that will fit all of our criteria. That candidate doesn’t exist. We need to get one who understands and will fight for personal freedom and not the further encroachment and “protection” of the state.

  187. We need to get one who understands and will fight for personal freedom and not the further encroachment and “protection” of the state.

    Unfortunately for you BiW, that candidate is Ron Paul. Romney ain’t gonna “fight” for anything.

  188. “We need to get one who understands and will fight for personal freedom and not the further encroachment and “protection” of the state.”

    The problem is we are not going to know what type of candidate we get until after he is elected!

  189. The blame “Wallstreet” thing is too vague, although I’m guilty of it.

    As of around 2:30 today, the Dow was down 200 points. Big Ben decides to threaten weakening the very dollar my family relies on for essentials in order to spike his beloved stocks. This kind of shit can make a sane man curse Wallstreet, no matter how irrational it really is to do so.

    The Big banks are a different story. They ruthlessly gambled the value of our homes. They did so knowing that they were too big to fail and that all the risk would ultimately be taken on by the Rabbit.

    Their depraved orgy was so out of control, they couldn’t even keep up with who held our notes. I’ve seen urban craps games more organized. How did they respond? By the falsification of legal documents. Imagine if we got caught just falsifying one doc at our jobs. Just one doc.

    Their bail out gave them the power to give people the run around on modification programs that they purposely sabotaged from the beginning.

    I’m no angel in all of this. I made the mistake of buying a home that we needed two jobs to afford. i always knew it could be possible that my wife or I lose a job. If that went down, I figured I would just sell my home. Never did I realize a 50% plus depreciation in value. I was ignorant on how the world worked.

    While some here will see what I did as morally wrong, I see it as fighting back. After I realized their modification program was a premeditated fraud, I enjoyed walking from my house. The phone calls became fun. The game was a breath of fresh air for me.

    I did to them exactly what they did to me. I took their investment and ruthlessly gambled with it. The only difference is I won. And while they were limited to canned corporate responses while they fucked the Rabbit over, I was at liberty to tell them to suck my silver dick.

  190. The Old Silver dick. 😆 Well, mine is gold. 🙂

    So do they wrap it up tonight Babe? I’ll be rooting for your beloved Tigers, even if you think I’m being the critic.

  191. Where would you say you fall politically? -Rutherford

    I’m Conservative by nature. I struggle to find commonality with Liberal realities, as appealing as the philosophies are. Or, like in the case of abortion, as believable as the lies are.

    Fat Grannie’s commenters always turned me off, with a few exceptions, but I used to read her articles to better understand a side to the story that didn’t come naturally to me. I also find old people fascinating. Once I found out she was a fake, I no longer took her positions seriously.

    A little clearer?

  192. Unfortunately for you BiW, that candidate is Ron Paul. Romney ain’t gonna “fight” for anything.

    Pon Raul is nucking futs. Even if he wasn’t an isolationist idiot, the “nukes are alright for the ayahtollahs” should make any person with more than three functioning brain cells see that he is totally unsuitable for the job. Besides, I don’t want him checking for the computer chip the aliens left in my chest.

    As for Mittens, he wouldn’t be my first choice. He wouldn’t even be my third choice. Too much of a sense of entitlement for me to be comfortable with pulling the lever for him. The upside is that I do believe he would propose policies that would actually benefit the economy. The downside is that I can see him confiscating that money for another intrusion of Nanny Government into our lives.
    .

  193. The problem is we are not going to know what type of candidate we get until after he is elected!

    1. Sexist.

    2. I don’t think you know when you elect a junior senator with a paper-thin resume and a history of voting “present” on every issue except of those dictated by the Planned Murderhood lobby.

    If you elect someone with an actual record, then your assertion isn’t necessarily true.

  194. I made the mistake of buying a home that we needed two jobs to afford.

    If that’s a mistake, well I did the same damn thing. The only difference between us was I was able to sell at a price that let me walk away with a bit of money.

  195. OK BiW’s comment makes me curious. Now that Christie is not in and we can be pretty sure Palin will not get in, anyone care to rank the remainder in your order of preference? I can’t vote in the primaries but hell, here’s my take (I’m not including folks like Roemer who aren’t being allowed in any debates):

    Jon Huntsman
    Mitt Romney
    Herman Cain
    Ron Paul
    Gary Johnson
    Newt Gingrich
    Rick Perry
    Rick Santorum
    Michele Bachmann

    P.S. Pretty good web site: http://2012.republican-candidates.org/

  196. Normally, I would say the opposite of what you pose would be best for the party. But I actually agree with you’re two lowest ones, except Huntsman moves to ground zero, because he is a zero.

    RINO’s are as bad as Obama, and like Obama, Huntsman is clearly a phony.

  197. OK BiW’s comment makes me curious. Now that Christie is not in and we can be pretty sure Palin will not get in, anyone care to rank the remainder in your order of preference?

    Ron Paul
    Ron Paul
    Ron Paul

    BiW doesn’t have a clue. He is composing bullshit, though it’s sometimes masked quite eloquently. Sometimes.

    Ron Paul is the only one that wants to go back to the constitution and give the states back their rights. Everyone else is shillin’ and won’t get my vote.

  198. Actually I know absolutely nothing about Gary Johnson. I don’t even know if he’s worth finding out about, but now I’ll have to google him and see if he constitutes RP lite. 😀

  199. Can’t order the ones who are still in the running. Way too early.

    The ones who are out?

    Paul: His isolationism is a sure fire way to get millions killed, thus wiping out the positions he gets right.

    Johnson: Who?

    Huntsman: Nothing about this guy gets me excited. Sounds like a Democrat, only with a different label.

    Bachmann: The vaccine thing killed her campaign. It’s a dead woman walking, its just that no one has told he yet. She went seriously round the bend on that issue. Stick a fork in her.

    I like Santorum, but he doesn’t have the je ne sais quois to get people considering him seriously. Smart guy, maybe an advisory position.

    Mittens: If he’s the guy, I’ll pull the lever, but I’d rather have someone else.

    Cain: I geniunely like the guy. Good executive experience, but doesn’t stop and take a breath before answering some questions, which isn’t good. No foreign policy experience, but then, with his background, I wouldn’t expect him to have any. I’m not sold, but I’m paying attention.

    Newt: I have a love-hate relationship with the guy. I do think he’s one of the smarter conservative candidates and commenters, but then he likes to do a 180 and stick his thumb up his ass. I liked what I heard on the new Contract with America, but then he took a big swig of dumbass and talked about “repeal and replace” of Obamacare, instead of just “repeal” and be done. The attack on Ryan is not forgotten, and even without his considerable personal baggage, which I think would require a fuller explanation than I’ve heard so far, I think he’s got a battle bringing voters on board. Definate cabinet pick.

    Perry: Decent record, and I like the fact that he’s ready to rid the world of vermin when he goes for a run. Should keep the press away when he jogs with the Secret Service. Besides, I like the fact that he’ll make gun-fearing wussies like Rutherford turn out their inner tyrant when the subject comes up. Not the best debate performance last time, but then Teh Won is no great shakes when he is off teleprompter.

  200. Paul: His isolationism is a sure fire way to get millions killed, thus wiping out the positions he gets right.

    Isolationism? Rather nonintervention. Regarding getting millions killed…??? I think the logic engine derailed somewhere up the line.

  201. Gary Johnson does seem quite like Ron Paul ideologically. He did support RP in 2008. He doesn’t have enough recognition to win. Put him up as VP. There’s a lot of cleanup that needs to happen.

  202. I’ve been checking out my both my daughter’s “photos” on Facebook – the oldest one was smart enough to make her’s private.

    Rats – wait until my youngest finds some of my messages. 🙂

    (1) Pull your blouse up
    (2) He’s too close – watch the hands
    (3) Cute bathing suit
    (4) Who’s the old fart?

  203. VPs don’t mean a damn other than campaign appeal. Or if they’re conservative females or blacks, something for the left to shit on.

  204. VPs don’t mean a damn other than campaign appeal. Or if they’re conservative females or blacks, something for the left to shit on.

    Tell that to Dick Cheney. Maybe on a hunting trip.

  205. Regarding getting millions killed…??? I think the logic engine derailed somewhere up the line.

    Listen cupcake, evil already got the message the current occupant of the White House isn’t interested in opposing it. Electing the crazy old man means that the Middle East gets the green light to go all 5th century on Israel, which we all know you wouldn’t oppose anyway (when will you change your avatar to the Stormfront logo, by the way?), Europe will go up in flames, which its already on track to do, and the Chinese will escalate from “frisky” to “feeling their oats”.

    If all of that comes to pass, you won’t have the luxury of staying out of the world’s shit, because the world’s shit will come to you.

  206. How do you put it?

    If all of that comes to pass, you won’t have the luxury of staying out of the world’s shit, because the world’s shit will come to you.

    Word.

  207. Yeah buttercup, evil has been running the show and writing the script with the current occupant of the White House unable to oppose it. Electing this most consistent and stable “old man” is our only chance to save America. A strict constitution man.

    Let Israel defend its own colonialism. We certainly have covered them with taxpayer money, some 3 billion plus a year. We’ve already lost the Middle East arena politically. The past several decades of neo-con FP saw to that. China and Russia are already settling in. Hell, our own country’s debt/trade relationship with China gave them much of the power they have accumulated. Capitalism loves them. We’ve been sold out.

  208. The complexity of life is a label I must wear,
    Snarled visions of the dreamer condemned by his own dare,
    As a child I asked the questions, but only for their sake,
    Believing there were answers become my one mistake, yeah.

    The holy morning paper slaps the steps of dawn,
    America’s doors open – let’s see what’s going on,
    Confusion with our coffee, fear and frosted flakes,
    The dollar takes another dive, another bubble breaks, yeah.

    A shuttle offstage, a change of scene,
    The exposé of the American dream,
    Watergate burglars, comedy relief,
    Laugh at ideals, surviving our grief.

    It’s fool’s gold for gilded fools,
    Playing gaily with twisted rules,
    Hail to the families in their TV rooms,
    Suicide, genocide, abortion, cartoons,
    Terrorism, violence, starving refugees,
    Conscience crucified, reality recedes,
    Nuclear tyrants, computerized plan holding hostage everyman.

    “It won’t happen” – 1950,
    “It may happen” – 1965,
    It will happen, just don’t think about it.

    From dust to dust, our lives fade away,
    We are the wind’s empty sighing,
    Vanity, all is vanity – all but the cross, all but his dying,
    All but the cross, all but his dying.

  209. Yeah BIC,

    The past several decades of neo-con FP saw to that. China and Russia are already settling in.

    If we neocons had just left well enough alone, China and Russia would still be great guys, never would have “settled in” to the middle east, and we could all sit around and teach the world to sing in perfect harmony with some Ayatollahs and Saddam. Don’t mess with the Poolman, buttercup.

    Of course, oil would be about $25.00 a gallon when and where you could get it.

    You’re debating with a real genius now. If I were you I’d watch your step, because the Poolman is a good man. No, a great man. 😉

  210. Game Five – but it will be tough if Detroit doesn’t jump into the lead early. The Yankees get you into the 8th inning with a lead, it’s a rarity they lose with Mariano Rivera sitting in the pen.

    Been that way for at least 15 years now. The guy is simply unbelievable. One pitch and you still can’t get the ball out of the infield. If I had a dollar for every bat Rivera has sawed in half, I could retire.

  211. That pin ball machine the Yankees call a stadium is a joke.

    Get a bunch of over paid, mediocre home run hitters and dominate the East.

    I used to respect that Yank team with Brossius and O’Neill.

    Bunch of show ponies, now days.

    Man I hope we beat them in front of their own, pretentious fans.

  212. C’mon Rabbit … pony up your draft picks for GOP nomination. Inquiring minds want to know.

    Seeing BiW’s more fleshed out analysis, I owe it to the board to be a bit more thorough … just a bit cos it’s bed time.

    Jon Huntsman — man with the best resume — FP and exec experience
    Mitt Romney — vanilla candidate, not offensive, might have a biz idea or 2
    Herman Cain — simplistic solutions but at least solutions (9-9-9)
    Ron Paul — domestic policy scares me sh*tless, FP is RIGHT ON!!!!!
    Gary Johnson — ending the war on drugs is a yes but not prez material
    Newt Gingrich — 1990’s relic, legend in his own mind, islamaphobe
    Rick Perry — dumber than Bush 43, has NO business running
    Rick Santorum — creepy looking homophobe
    Michele Bachmann — historically illiterate, should have remained tax atty

  213. So, you want to continue to defend these guys?

    1) They’re racist, of course that’s always been ok for liberals.

    2) They’re ignorant, again a prerequisite for liberals.

    3) They have no solutions.

    I’ve been showing here and at my place how these folks are communists and anarchists intent on destroying the nation.

    Your peeps…

  214. The top six banks in the US have assets in excess of 60% of GDP. And make no mistake, with the Glass-Steagall firewall torn down, these guys Are Wall Street.

    Yeah? That’s still six corporations and you just reinforced my point.

    But the problem still resides on Capital Hill – it’s called the Fed and Capital Building. Why aren’t the crab infested maggots protestors sleeping on the steps of the Federal Reserve Board Building? Or the Capital Building? They would only add to the stench coming from the White House.

    I read an article this morning that was hilarious overheard at the protest. Nobody was sure exactly what they were protesting. Calling for Big Brother to reform Big Brother doesn’t sound like a winning strategy to me.

  215. Calling Rick Perry dumb like Rutherford has, tells me Rutherford has now sunk to the depths of Yeller Dawg. 🙂

    Because the only fair way to judge the capability of a man or woman is to measure accomplishment while in the office of politic. That is what we are debating after all.

    So comparing the state of the Texas record to say the state of our current Presidency’s record, is like comparing Mikhail Baryshnikov to Chaz Bono.

    President Obola has spread his disease throughout the land about everywhere except Texas, which apparently has some immunity to Obala’s gross mismanagement and incompetence.

  216. Because the only fair way to judge the capability of a man or woman is to measure accomplishment while in the office of politic.

    Let Perry be Governor of New Jersey and let’s see how much he “accomplishes”.

    Perry has the good fortune of managing Texas, which for several reasons has been a dynamo for a good amount of time. He’s done nothing that Bush and Richards didn’t do before him.

  217. Bullshit.

    Show me one Tea Party video of a anti-Semitic rant. Likewise, show me a Tea Party video of any racism at all.

  218. Let Perry be Governor of New Jersey and let’s see how much he “accomplishes”.

    Reductio ad absurdum. I could say the same of Christie managing Texas and there is no way for you to prove that. Christie may one day prove a formidable opponent, but he’s not ready yet, and neither is Rick Perry. While Texas continues plow the rest of the national field, except possibly Virginia, New Jersey is still the highest taxed state in the nation even with Christie, and continues to struggle mightily. Check out Newark – home to zillions of Obalo denizens; a true pile just like their diseased leader. 😉

    Ann Richards was trounced by a younger George Bush, and would have lost in 1990, had Clayton Williams not made his infamous lay back and enjoy it remark about rape. You obviously know nothing of Texas politic – but that is your standard m.o. about most things, so I won’t hold your ignorance against you.

    Ann Richards was a chronic alcoholic and lush, who I personally witness “poured” out of an Austin bar by in 1984. She may sell in Lib circles, but she left an unpopular governor upon leaving. Ironically, the nastiest Dims I’ve ever met come from the great state of Texas – the amazon Molly Ivins being the first that comes to mind. Molly now has determined George Bush was the least of her problems. Margaret of Fat Grannies fame will experience the same fate. 🙂

  219. The Original Boston Tea Party Was A Civil Disobedience Action Against A Private Corporation.

    A Think Progress article and great in the same sentence? Pravda not available in Chicago? ROFLMAO ❗

    What private corporation are the crabs protesting Mr. Rutherford?

  220. HEY! Congratulations Rutherford Lawson.

    The appropriately named Crooks & Liars has rounded you up. You’re going to fit right in. 😈

    Crooks & Liars is a Fat Granny and Chatty Kitchen favorite. Perhaps you’re not morphing into Yeller Dawg afterall! You’re morphing into Chatty Kitchen.

    Let’s all give a hearty cheer for Reproductive Rights!

  221. Likewise, show me a Tea Party video of any racism at all.

    OMFG!!! You can’t be serious? Is this a case of short-term-memory syndrome?

    How ’bout comparing Obama to an African animal? Have you forgotten all the signs carried by those yahoos?

  222. How ’bout comparing Obama to an African animal?

    Legitimate point. That was an affront to lions. To compare a loathsome, lying creature like Obama to the grand majesty of the African Lion was cruel, unjustified, irrational, and contemptible.

    You still haven’t addressed my questions to you about how Obama continues to raise taxes under the title fees, in this case take off fees (hrmph hrmph), and the damage that the abortion Frank-Dodd bill is already causing to the American consumer.

  223. The Lying African?

    See, this is where you have to intellectually turn your brain off and buy into the “code word” conspiracies. It was about the birther issue, of which he was accussed of 1) lying and 2) being from Africa. The Lion made a great metaphorical connection. It was a great play on words pithy to a real issue that had nothing to do with race and everything to do with nationality.

    Yet, I’ve shown you several videos now of out right racism. There is no nuance, no debate, these are outright racists and you, of all people, say nothing. You’re an intellectual coward R.

  224. R, clearly, history is not your strong suit.

    The EITC was to the British what Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is to the Fed. Private? Not hardly…

    You guys are so damn desperate to spin this thing into something it is not because you know you have nothing in hand. Did you notice the unemployment numbers this morning?

    Employers announced 115,730 planned job cuts last month, more than double August’s total of 51,114, according to the report from consultants Challenger, Gray & Christmas, Inc.

    The figure was the highest since April 2009 when 132,590 layoffs were announced.

    September’s job cuts were also much higher than the same time a year ago, tripling from the 37,151 job cuts announced in September 2010. For 2011 so far, employers have announced 479,064 cuts, up 16.5 percent from the first nine months of 2010.

    Stand by to stand by. How do you think the Friday numbers for September are going to look? If this is any indication, expect negative job growth, considering there was ZERO job growth in August. In a couple weeks, the 3rd quarter numbers come out. I’ve been saying for weeks that we’re already in a recession, and if that number is negative (2nd qtr GDP growth was .04%)- as I predict- you’re dear leader is fucked. Unfortunately, because of him, the rest of us are fucked too.

    But let me continue. How about your progressive form of transparency. Eric Holder just got caught lying to Congress about what he knew and when he knew it on Operation Fast & Furious. Or, how about Mooch Obama costing the American tax payers millions for her little safari jaunt. Who knew that Malia and Sasha were “senior staff” of the Administration. Or how about the pending collapse of National Renewable Energy Labs, or Solyndra, which Obama called a “good bet”. A good bet? Why is he betting our fucking dollars with $14.5 TRILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT.

    You and your little fucking show-pony in the WH are abject failures. Your ideology is flat on its ass and you’re desperate to find something that reignite the ashes that is your political hope. News flash R, the phoenix is a myth, and this ain’t no fucking Tea Party.

  225. Someone ought to kick M&M’s ass and put it up on YouTube.

    That would be worth pay per view. I still say you could sell for $60.00 a piece celebrity boxing of RoseAnne Barr vs. Oprah and sell millions. Maybe even Danny Bonaduce vs. Oprah would be better.

  226. “But the problem still resides on Capital Hill – it’s called the Fed and Capital Building. Why aren’t the crab infested maggots protestors sleeping on the steps of the Federal Reserve Board Building?” – Tex

    First of all, it’s not Capital Hill, it’s Capitol Hill. Let’s not blur the distinction any more than “Citizens United” already has. Second of all, the FED isn’t on Capitol Hill and third, Bernancke is with them. He basically told Congress yesterday to get off their ass.

  227. Mooch and the Little Brats – around the world on Airforce #2 in 80 days, with a long stop at Monaco. 😡 She ain’t proud of America – perhaps she can find someplace she is proud of like Liberia – anywhere but here. Damn it pains me we are footing the bill for that horse’s ass and her feckless entourage. She’s gone through more assistants than Martha Stewart and we’re not even done with the term.

    I’m reminded of this paragraph from a story way back in ’08. How prescient it was:

    Obama’s choice of wife is a failsafe indicator of his own sentiments. Spouses do not necessarily share their likes, but they must have their hatreds in common. Obama imbibed this hatred of America with his mother’s milk.

    Now he renourishes it with his wife’s milk.

    I don’t blame him, though. If I had screwed up that bad choosing a mate, I’d do anything I could to get her out of the house too. Can’t divorce her while President. He’ll bail on her and make it look like her fault after he’s done screwing the country up.

  228. “For every absurd OWS video you post, I can post an equally absurd Tea Party video from a couple of years ago.”

    Let’s see the one of the “N” word being used in health care protests. I’ll split the $100k Breitbart challenge with you R.

    Hard to believe the proof of bigotry and racism only affects you when it comes from the right. 🙄

  229. Correction – eminem’s ass.

    Gorilla there’s no arguing your videos. They’re worth posting, and worth watching. If nothing else, they prove that if you look – you will find it.

    Post-racial. Yeah right.

  230. Well, don’t we have a pedantic little brat here. Learn something everyday – I recant. Capitol Hill it is.

    First of all, it’s not Capital Hill, it’s Capitol Hill.

    The Congressional Building is. But I’ll try to be more specific for your profound specificity next time about the location of the Fed building, if you’ll promise to stop publishing lies and bogus financial information on your feckless, propagandist blog. I don’t hold much hope.

    Bernancke is with them. He basically told Congress yesterday to get off their ass.

    That’s supposed to be a surprise? Bernacke is a large part of the problem – simple CYA. Confuse the simpletons like you and look for somebody else to blame – like you attempting to cover for Obama’s gross incompetence.

  231. Capitalism is not at fault, and Wall Street but a small part of Corporate America. – Tex

    The top six banks in the US have assets in excess of 60% of GDP.-Me

    Yeah? That’s still six corporations and you just reinforced my point.-Tex

    What the F??? 60%… small part? The financial sector lost 31,000 jobs. B of A represented 30,000 of those. You would have been
    better off with “I know you are but what am I?” 🙂

  232. So John, you’re a novelist? Now it all makes sense. 😆

    I took a peek for the second time; quid pro quo. You can join Rutherford in the corner with dunce cap permanently glued to your pointy head.

    I know one thing you’re not John. A mathematician. You better stick to proper name spelling and remote blogging.

    ========

    So how much do you want to bet John about the financial sector losing only 31,000 jobs, and BoA being approximately 97% of those losses?

  233. Hey, if Barbara Walters is a racist, why can’t we all be? Anybody see how this fear of the dreaded ‘N’ word has become comical? Here is Rutherford’s sister in action. 🙂

    Is it more or less offensive if you use ‘head’ behind the ‘N’ word? Talk about political correctness run amok. Now even Babs is in trouble.

  234. All of you who excused (and often encouraged) the conduct of the Tea Party in 2009 have the gall to lecture me on OWS decorum. You can shove it straight up your ass.

    Tex, regarding Texas politics, the wonderful thing about this time of year is I don’t need to take talking points from “Dimocrats”. I can just listen to your fellow Republicans. Mitt told ole Perry that HE was hardly responsible for Texas’ success and Perry was strangely silent (other than some lame comment about Mitt not playing poker).

  235. I actually welcome this Reoccupy Woodstock movement. I really do. Now the Left can put their collective, dysfunctional ass on display for the entire world to see, and we can laugh at them like we do nanny state anarchists running around over in Greece. Corner them into one city.

    Like cockroaches, libs are far less deadly when they moved out into the light and we are holding a hammer while lifting each rock.

    My biggest hope for their achievement is this “movement” carries forward to the Dimocratic National Convention and we can see a repeat of Sodom like ’68, before Obama receives a major beat down in the general election.

    Get the New Black Panther Party, CAIR, the union stooges, Ward Churchill, the black intelligentsia from Ivy, La Raza, the American Communist Party, the American Socialist Party, the PLO, Hollywood, NARAL, Code Pink, People for the American Way, Planned Parenthood, hell throw in the WestBoro Baptist Church for grins and you’ve got the base of Dimocratic Party.

    Then America will clearly delineate that Progressives are as far left as you can be before heading into Stalin’s backyard. They may be there already.

  236. Romney gave us Obamacare. Romney was pro-choice before he was something. Romney is the establishment’s choice. And I suspect Romney be the candidate because he and Christie are appealing to the same crowd and if both of them had run, they would have been an offset. But then I don’t really get too distressed, because, we can hold Romney’s feet to the fire where we can’t Obola, and….

    …Fred Phelps would have a more organized domestic policy than Obola. God only knows what our foreign policy is anymore. Bad mouth America and appease our enemies, I think. Unless of course, we can fire the bullets from Tampa. Kudos.

    GITMO is still here. 😉

  237. All of you who excuse (and often encourage) the conduct of the OWS in 2009 have the gall to lecture me on Tea Party decorum. You can shove it straight up your ass. 😆

    R, you’re a funny guy.

  238. Sheree Shephard is an ass. Either the word is ok to use or it is not. If whites shouldn’t use it, neither should blacks. Not worth discussing.

    Rutherford, it is my observation that Sheree (what an intellectual) best represents the opinion of the majority of the black community – not you. I used to hear it all the time out of the mouths of blacks when they were gathered together in the student union at school.

    It’s apparently part of the popular vernacular.

    Wish I could say different, as you are right. But that’s just the way it is.

    You’ll be happy to know I still just use the simplified Black American, as I find African-American equally ignorant and horribly patronizing. There’s nothing more putrid than watching some white bread trying to fit in or demonstrate some false sense of morality and genuflection by measuring words to please the black man. I’m surprised a guy like you doesn’t call “pinky” on that. That’s the most nauseating form of dialogue.

    Somewhere, somehow I’m sure that makes me racist. 😉

  239. It’s true there are plenty of crazies at these protests. But realize those stand out and are highlighted by the MSM. Many have been hired to be there in their extreme persona. Nothing new there. This is a highly infiltrated bunch. And with no “leaders”, per say, there is much disorganization. Expect plenty of misinformation.

    Underlying the fringe IS an ultimate righteous goal. Deny that, and you’re drawing the line in the sand. It ultimately breaks down to where your allegiance lies. Those wanting to take this to the political arena divert it from the main source. Our entire political and governing system is broken and now controlled by these money changers.

    …we are absolutely NOT against anyone for however much money they may make. What we are fighting against are the people and corporations who are responsible for trillions of dollars in fraudulent activity. We are fighting a political process that has been hijacked and rigged against hardworking Americans through a system of political bribery – campaign finance, lobbying and the revolving door – by global financial interests. We are rebelling against economic tyranny. We are defending the United States against an occupying global financial oligarchy.

    http://ampedstatus.org/open-letter-to-mayor-bloomberg-your-occupywallstreet-propaganda-is-condescending-and-weak-lets-have-a-public-debate-at-liberty-park/

  240. Maybe Poolman. But you can understand the confusion from this very board.

    You’ve got Thorazine singing the praises of Obama about his 401K plan (snicker), while condemning Wall Street (louder snicker). You’ve got Rutherford becoming apoplectic about our mocking OWS, lending his support to the cause whatever that may be, but and I quote, “Paul’s domestic policy scares me sh*tless” when you yourself are showing us proof of video Paul’s agenda a large part of OWS.

    We hear crickets about George Soros, Ben Bernacke, Fannie Mae, Robert Rubin, Herb and Marion Sandler, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Nancy Pelosi, and dozens of other enablers in Congress – clearly all heavily involved in the real estate bubble which we have tons of proof, helping lead to the financial meltdown.

    You’ve got demands for a paid college education, leading to what? Doesn’t that presuppose there are jobs when you graduate? Who is going to provide the jobs? The Fed? You’ve got demonization of private industry who creates the only jobs leading to growth, demands of more taxes from small business owners, and a crowd bouncing around Wall Street which you can smell the body funk from Harlem.

    Like I said. The cause may indeed be noble. But I don’t think 90% of the crowd even knows who or what they protest against.

  241. Tell me Roger Simon doesn’t have this OWS pegged right. I think he’s absolutely right. And the comments are priceless – unless you’re an English literature major. That’s for you Thorazine. 🙂

    http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2011/10/05/tahrir-envy-meets-tea-party-envy-on-wall-street/

    Rutherford’s favorite target of ridicule short of Sarah Palin has it pegged right too – Glen Beck.

    People keep mocking Beck, but I’ve noticed his predictions keep coming true: (1) Gold rush (were are you Tony Weiner?), (2) real estate collapse; (3) financial bubble; (4) prediction of middle east uprising euphemistically called the Arab spring, etc….

    The reason there is no distinguishing title or their identification is vague is because Beck nails it.

    Scrape away the veneer, and the adjoining wall is RED.

  242. But I don’t think 90% of the crowd even knows who or what they protest against.

    And I repeat … the same could be said of the Tea Party in 2009. In fact, when I used to watch coverage of those gatherings one of the things that occurred to me was that many were there just to partaaaay.

    Protest movements whether astroturf or legit, attract all types because they are not “by invitation only”. And as Poolman appropriately points out, the MSM shows you the worst of the worst. I will grant that of the Tea Party. Their worst elements were on display, sadly compromising any integrity the movement might have had.

  243. Here Rutherford is who you have your horse hitched to with the Teat Party.

    http://occupywallst.org/article/occupywallstreet-union-march-foley-square-wall-str/#comments

    And can we measure their worth vs. The Tea Party by the amount of trash they leave. The Tea Party left a clean house.

    P.S. – You’re wrong about having a common alliance. Barack Hussein Obama was clearly the target of their disdain. And that lack of integrity won 113 of 129 races in the last election. Good luck again.

  244. And I might add, that I keep saying the Tea Party of 2009. Once they lost the silly hats, dropped the hateful signs, and some of their more intelligent spokespeople started to be heard, they evolved into a more serious political force. There is no denying their impact on GOP politics right now.

    OWS is in its infancy. It will either die or it will focus and become an influence. Time will tell.

  245. OWS is in its infancy. It will either die or it will focus and become an influence

    From a person watching the zoo in Chicago, there were four people left at OWS. What do you think?

    Rutherford, if you want to start a movement against dismantling the Fed, or collective hammering the banking industry for the bailouts and capital greed, I might be with you, depending upon your objective(s). That is going to put you directly opposed to a large segment of your beloved party.

    But this mass of hare krishna out on the streets of New York is nothing but a clusterf….and mostly making excuse for Obama’s massive failure of government growth to the tune of $4.1 billion a day of additional debt – while trying to demonize corporate America as the reason. Corporate America had little to do with the financial collapse, and that is easily proven as most corporations never were in jeopardy of folding tent.

  246. I didn’t know Palin was in.

    And Christie is out.

    Can we talk about your man Obama, Fast & Fucked, Solyndra, second recession and whatever it is that causes you to align with OWS? He’s your boy and all you talk about is the republican candidates rather than your genius-in-chief.

    R, since you scream about hypocrisy when it comes to OWS, you were required to have accepted the Tea Party or apply the same gloss to the OWS as you did the dangerous Tea Party. That is, after all, a logical prerequisite. You did neither. Instead, you take the same alleged weaknesses and the worst of its attributes and seek to vociferously elevate OWS claiming hypocrisy on our part without seeing your own double standard.

    Why with the economic troubles, class warfare, and anti-semitism It’s beginning to feel like 1930s Germany around here. See any similarities Mien Furor? 😆

  247. Too bad about Jobs…I saw a picture of him in a hospital gown a few weeks back and knew he was getting toward the end.

    Rutherford, you officially on board with The Teat Party now? You probably quit showering, putting some flowers in your hair, and getting ready to drop a little sunshine?

    Power to the People!

  248. You want to read something pathetic, get a gander of these sad sacks.

    SAVE ME OBAMA! Save Me!

    http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/

    I’ve got an MS in English Literature. I deserve better – where’s my high paying job. My dad has “several” PHDS and lives in his car rather “than be a slave to the system.” [ed. In other words he’s either a free loader or a meth addict] I can barely afford my nose ring. Blah blah blah…

    Okay Rutherford, you can call me heartless now.

  249. I don’t know about OWS.

    Seems if I lose my job and have no hope it will be much more fun claiming to be a 1%er…

    If I empty ash trays for a year, take out the garbage and tend the bar, they say I could even get a brand new jacket! We even get a sponsor! My cousin says he’d be glad to.

    OWS doesn’t give you jackets…and sponsors…do they? 🙂

  250. I took a peek for the second time;- Tex

    Ha,ha, made you look.

    So how much do you want to bet John about the financial sector losing only 31,000 jobs, and BoA being approximately 97% of those losses?- Tex

    Those numbers were on the screen on CNBC. If you don’t like them, take it up with their analysts. And keep me out of your little bet scenarios. The whole ass flogging thing is between you and Poolman.

    N

  251. Those numbers were on the screen on CNBC. If you don’t like them, take it up with their analysts. And keep me out of your little bet scenarios. The whole ass flogging thing is between you and Poolman.

    Sound like you got an anger management problem when you get your nose tweaked. 🙂 I can’t help it if bad math skills burns you – you’ll have to take that up with a public education system. What slays me is a wheel like you wouldn’t look at that statistic and say WTF?

    That was for your pedantic style, John the novelist. 😉

  252. Looks like The Teat Party is a front group for Obama reelection campaign – what may have been pure in its motives, has now been hijacked apparently. This is what happens when you let America’s little commies into the mix.

    This Alex Jones guy is doing some good investigative work.

    http://www.infowars.com/occupy-wall-street-stands-in-solidarity-with-obama-front-group/

    Soros is apparently behind most of it. Wouldn’t doubt he’s footing a large part of the bill. Wish the self-loathing Jew could purchase hundreds of bottles of hotel sized shampoo and provide public showers for the participants.

    That’s a rank looking group sleeping out there on the steps.

    Come on snow!

  253. (Politico) — An overwhelming majority of voters believe the president should be a strong supporter of Israel, but are evenly split over whether President Barack Obama fits that bill, according to a new poll.
    Nearly two thirds — 63 percent — told Quinnipiac University pollsters that the president should be a strong supporter of Israel. But those surveyed were divided on how Obama has dealt with Israel, with 39 percent saying he is a strong supporter of the country and 40 percent disagreeing.
    Just 20 percent of those polled said the president should not be a strong supporter of Israel.

    What a cowink-a-dink

  254. Tex,

    It looks like you and Magilla are both fans of the “Lotion Man”. See comments 303 and 306. Talk about lace fringe! What is the point? This Danny Cline IS a piece of work. You think he represents OWS? Magilla was trying to point out a “racist” angle. I’m not sure if that fits. This “Lotion Man” is apparently Jewish (he claims), so mocking a Jew doesn’t quite fit the racism charge. In his other performance, using the n****r word is just to stir controversy. He’s just a defiant punk getting extreme for youtube and trying to impress his peers. Move along. Nothing to see.

    Now that “sticks” video is impressive. The way those things stand up and “come to life” is cool. So much time, so little to do. 😀

  255. Sigh….I guess I’m going to have to start reading all the comments, and frankly I waste more time here than I should. Poor Gorilla is always the one I diss too, which I apologized for on his board.

    You think he represents OWS?

    Sure do. A large part of it. Until the union goons will move and take over. An international movement of globalists and pinkos looking for a free ride for Benevolent Barack, which is exactly why I find this movement so humorous. Their fighting amongst themselves with diametrically opposed agendas, and don’t know it yet.

  256. G, for some reason in 378 your links got lost.

    Tex, I don’t get the physics behind that sticks video. I understand falling dominoes but all those sticks were already flat on the floor. What caused them to pop up off the floor in a chain reaction?

  257. Thanks for the Alt Keypad – I used several characters in Visual Basic years ago. Don’t have the software anymore. Should have kept it after leaving C.A.

    Problem is, on these tablets using the Keypad is no longer a simple process. 😦

    I’ve actually thought about going back to a full-sized keyboard. I can’t type worth a crap on these little machines – and using something like Excel becomes a pain in the butt when entering data.

  258. Problem is, on these tablets …

    Well sonofabitch!!! Do you have an iPad? I’ve been wanting one of those toys in the worst way. And I already know Santa has me on his “f*ck you” list this year. 😡

  259. No, Fujitsu Lifebook – damn expensive machine that is highly overrated, but recommended by my feckless university. $2,400 overrated. No, I’m not kidding. 😡

    I’ve already replace the battery twice at a cost of $160 a pop and it’s dead again. I can do without one.

    I could have bought five iPads for the price of this piece of junk. A few of my classes in med school required a PC compatible – pathology and histology.

    I think Santa is flipping me the bird too – seems our Hawaii vacation was my ‘Christmas’ present – according to Santa.

  260. I’m willing to trade the $10,000.00 for 10 lashes with a tool of my choice to be administered by me across your rear end, where I will remove every last piece of flesh from your worthless, lying, pathetic ass, and I will do it with great glee while doing so.

    Do we have a bet you fucking, useless tool?

    How about it Poolman?- Tex

    Sound like you got an anger management problem when you get your nose tweaked

  261. 396 continued … Tex, I wasn’t angry, I was footnoting your comment from the last thread. Any anger you sensed must have come from your own words. One man’s pedantic is another man’s Proverbs 27:17. Just trying to sharpen you buddy. 🙂 And BTW, my nose can’t get any more tweaked than it already is. Just look at my Gravatar.

  262. Thorazine John,

    Didn’t get my nose tweaked. I volunteered that with glee and was later proven right – like I would have been with your lame claim. It’s a shame you rubes won’t take my bets, as I’m in need of some free cash at this minute.

    The easy way out, and a wet dream of tearing flesh from a pathological propagandist’s derriere. That’s not anger – that is excitement and anticipation of either ten grand or the thrill of administering much needed pain to the ass of a lib. I could put you in that camp just as easily. I’m an equal opportunist.

    Like you, our resident Troofer has a tendency to go seeking outrageous claims supporting a preconceived notion, and publishing them as fact. But your writing doesn’t appear to be one of a troll or gnome, though I agree with the extended nose bit Pinocchio. 😉

    To sharpen iron John, one needs a reciprocating iron. You appear to be made of something more malleable – like Play Dough.

    Nonetheless, your a semi-good sport and will be treated with a small modicum of respect since you don’t appear to be full-fledged loon.

    —–

    By the way, of a more serious matter: what is your interest in autism? I asked because one of more sane and eloquent posters I believe (BIC) also has a familial interest. And I have befriended a neighborhood teenager who I think would be classified as atypical autism. We’ve become pretty close.

  263. Oh, and by the way Thor, thank you in one capacity for the correction.

    I did not know it was titled Capitol Hill and did think it was Capital Hill. After reading that nomenclature a million times, I should have caught that.

    Better to appear a fool on the ship of fools’ blog… 🙂

  264. So how much do you want to bet John about the financial sector losing only 31,000 jobs, and BoA being approximately 97% of those losses?

    “Banks also accounted for a large portion of losses, with 31,167 financial job cuts announced in September. Bank of America (BAC, Fortune 500) took the biggest hit, with 30,000 cuts, as part of a plan to save $5 billion.” ADP, Challenger
    http://money.cnn.com/2011/10/05/news/economy/jobs_challenger_adp/?source=cnn_bin

    Even playdough gets hard enough to sharpen iron if you don’t let it hide from the real world.

  265. “By the way, of a more serious matter: what is your interest in autism?” – Tex

    My son is autistic. Most of it is too personal for 1101001110001, I prefer to write about it, but for the sake of advocacy, I do let some of the pain out on the web. Thank you for asking. We consider ourselves very lucky. Besides the children themselves, the two biggest victims of ASD are marriage and faith. We’ve been able to hold on to both. If you are brave enough to venture into the belly of the beast one more time, look for “Fog” in my archives. No politics, just a short fiction piece. 🙂

  266. You’ve got Thorazine singing the praises of Obama about his 401K plan (snicker), while condemning Wall Street (louder snicker).- Tex

    I don’t condemn Wall Street. I condemn the concentration of power that TARP actually made worse. But they had us by the economic balls. I’m for re-instating the firewall between financial banks and investment banks. Traders can then buy ferret butts on margin, I don’t care. Their gambles won’t strangle the capital stream for small and mid-cap businesses, and we won’t have to bail the banks out. Worked fairly well for 66 years. Only took nine years for the chickens to come home once the firewall was leveled.
    BTW, Obama 401k status: 01/16/09 = 8281.22, today’s closing bell = 11123.33 Damn Barry, can’t you do better than that?

  267. I will do. I will venture one last time (or when I need mocking information) to read “Fog” as interest. If your son is of the same make as ‘Russ’, and I am sure he is, then he’s a great kid. However, I can’t appreciate the struggles like a parent. And the parents are to be commended. I sure do admire what they have been able to be to accomplish with Russ. There isn’t anybody in the neighborhood that doesn’t like him.

    I’m ashamed to say that I attended medical school for a time and am still as ignorant about autism as I was when I first started associating with Russ. I assume he is considered a relatively high level of functional ability. Though he can only read at a 1st grade or 2nd grade level (he’s 20), he has an incredible gift of memory – specifically history and works at a grocery store. He dreams of having his own apartment. He appreciates repetition and likes to build model cars. So once or twice a week, I walk over and we get to work.

    Some years back, I had a sports car Russ enjoyed, and we would go for drives out on the interstates at a fairly high rate of speed. Approaching three digits, I’d throttle it back. My biggest concern was getting caught. 🙂 But he sure did love it. I’d grab my girls, put Russ in the front seat, take the T-Tops off and buzz on down the highway with the music blaring – three screaming kids and a paranoid old man thinking how he would explain the trip to jail with his wife. I can still here them screaming, “Faster, faster!”

  268. Thor,

    You aren’t really dumb enough to associate the value of the DOW with Obama’s economic policies, are you? Seriously? Now I know you’re crazy, because you voted for an epic failure and are still lending your support to a historical statist. If you doubt me, you can review the results of Nov. 2010 and the price of gold.

    But you don’t strike me as comfortably numb either. If you really are, then you’re getting ready to get a really rude awakening soon.

  269. “He dreams of having his own apartment. He appreciates repetition and likes to build model cars. So once or twice a week, I walk over and we get to work.” – Tex

    Sounds like Russ has found a good friend. I’m sure it means the world to him. What was the car? A Smokey-and-the-Bandit TA?

  270. “You aren’t really dumb enough to associate the value of the DOW with Obama’s economic policies, are you? Seriously?” -Tex

    Just Chrysler and GM … oh and Smith & Wesson. 🙂

  271. Twin turbo 300Z, followed by the last one a twin turbo Toyota Supra.

    In their day, they were about as fast as the normal owner owned. Now my wife’s Honda Accord V6 is almost as fast.

    But she doesn’t have a stick shift. 🙂

    Obama has been wonderful about ammunition too. Don’t forget the ammunition.

  272. “But she doesn’t have a stick shift”

    Like any good lib would say, “There ought to be a law!” 🙂

    Twin turbo 300Z – Me like.

    “Don’t forget the ammunition.”

    And sharpies. Lots of people making signs these days, on both sides.

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