The Danger of Partisan Media

No, this is not another attack on Fox News. This time I have to take a minute calling out my beloved MSNBC which I’ve always claimed, despite its liberal bias has always taken the higher road compared to Fox.

Late this week Chris Matthews on “Hardball” devoted an entire segment to Texas Governor Rick Perry’s pay-to-play method of governing. Apparently there is a pretty conspicuous pattern of campaign donations being followed by legislative favors. Michele Bachmann got the conversation started during last Monday’s GOP debate when she accused Perry of letting campaign donations influence his decision to mandate administration of the HPV inoculation to young female Texans (with an opt-out available to their parents). Perry’s response, which has inspired chuckles ever since, was did Michele really think he could be bought for a lousy $5,000.00?

Unfortunately, as I watched Chris go on and on about Perry’s ethics, I could not get out of my mind a story that my readers called to my attention, namely the brewing Solyndra scandal. Up until my cadre of conservative opponents threw it in my face, I figured Solyndra was some sort of sugar substitute. Little did I know it was a solar panel manufacturer with a lousy business model which was loaned half a billion dollars of our money by an administration who had been warned things would go bad, but who also had been prodded by Solyndra investor George Kaiser to approve the deal. George by sheer coincidence was an Obama fund-raiser. Sure enough, as predicted by some, Solyndra went belly up this month firing all of its workers.

Now you might fault me for not knowing about this story but clearly Chris Matthews and his producers knew about it. So how could they possibly go on a rant about Perry’s crony capitalism when the White House has a discernible stench of it right now? To make matters worse, guess where I had to turn to get the full Solyndra story? Comedy Central. That’s right, once again a man who should be a pure comedian, Jon Stewart, was delivering news that the MSNBC prime time pundits didn’t want to touch.

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I’ve always considered MSNBC’s advantage over Fox that they had bias without hypocrisy. Now I need to reconsider that assessment.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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625 thoughts on “The Danger of Partisan Media

  1. Funny you wrote about MSNBC. I’ve been tuning in this week.

    I can’t believe they won’t cover the story.

    I don’t fault the slant. It is what it is. But to commit journalistic suicide?

    For what?

    Fox is slanted. But, they don’t outright hide the news.

    CNN is burying this story, too.

    Its a half billion dollars! With a horrible dose of crony bull shit.

    The showcase and face of the stimulus was an outright politically connected fraud. A deal engineered to fuck the tax payer from the very start.

    This was a hands on affair when it comes to the Obama administration.

    R, can you really blame those who are against Stimulus Part II.

  2. I like Stewart sometimes and this video is one example of it;however,I think it pains him more than a little to put the info out there.
    As for green energy. It isn’t the worse idea on the planet but it definitely isn’t the basket we should be bringing all our eggs to. Infact the green movement will continue to see disturbing facts like this one leak out over the near course. Another example is the car battery thing. Think about it. The tax payer creates the damn things via Argonne Labs. (not an unprecedented thing) Then a foreign company gets the technology in return of providing some jobs and factories. (LG) This is where I get irked. The batteries most likely candidate for consumption…the Chevy Volt….
    Tax money to GM=tax money to LG=???
    As for reconsidering your MSNBC viewing. BY ALL MEANS cut the cord brother,cut the cord.

  3. The showcase and face of the stimulus was an outright politically connected fraud. A deal engineered to fuck the tax payer from the very start.

    Well Rabbit, if I agree with this statement then of course everyone should be highly skeptical of Stim2. But I’m not sure I agree with the statement.

    I don’t think the deal was engineered with malicious intent. I think it went the way of lots of pork barrel politics where those with influence get more than those without influence.

    The big problem with Solyndra from what I see is that influence trumped common sense. I’m not sure this scandal makes the Obama admin look evil so much as it makes them look like amateurs.

  4. As for reconsidering your MSNBC viewing. BY ALL MEANS cut the cord brother,cut the cord.

    LOL Not so fast Alfie. I’ll be viewing with increased skepticism but viewing nevertheless.

    Hell, now that Michael Steele has become a regular MSNBC contributor things have gotten more fun.

  5. “I don’t think the deal was engineered with malicious intent”-R

    I don’t think it was malicious. Obama wasn’t evilly laughing about how he can screw us over.

    It was gross negligence.

    He didn’t give a fuck about the tax payer.

    Scoring political points by putting a thespian mask on his rip off stimulus meant more.

    So, I ask again.

    Do you believe Solyndra was an example of gross negligence? And if so, can you blame those who are against Stim 2?

  6. That Stewart video is funny. He’s great when you agree with him. I honestly always find him pretty funny.

    That being said, he kind of assumes that conservatives are loving this.

    Maybe some are. It always feels nice to be vindicated.

    But, trust me. For common motherfuckers like me, I have no 4 hour boner. I’m pissed about this shit.

  7. Interesting thoughts from R and DR. (maybe that should be the the blogtalk show- R/DR)
    FWIW I think the Obama administration has shown a professional edge to their missteps. The whole green jobs thing is a nice and noble concept but can’t really happen in the environment that is DC. Hell our “old school industry” aka the automakers has just seen bankruptcy,government take over,IPO and now an inking of a bonus contract with the UAW circa the ole days. All along regulation and foreign competition will assure the eventual final demise.

  8. America is just like a TV production. There is a script and everything is played out. None in “positions of authority” speak on their own. They choose the censored life and must abide by the rules or be ostracized.

    Obviously Obama has had to do as told by those who invested in getting him there. Biden reading a script like a good pup. That is why politics really sucks and the two party system is a joke. Money rules, and costs one servitude. Sales pitch for a popular “feel good” project comes with the POTUS job slot.

    This is an intended ambush and seems to have been successful, imo.

    Business wants him out. Global business runs the USA.

    Stewart is usually good. He gets to the core of a lot of the BS. But he is censored, too.

  9. Disregard my last…..didn’t notice it was a link.

    Unbelievable.

    Rutherford, switch to CNN or Public Television. That is unforgivable.

    Hell, I don’t watch any of the stuff. My limited TV time is mostly used for my division champion Detroit Tigers.

    Speaking of TV…..Money Mayweather is gonna get K.T.F.O. tonight!

    Apparently, many in Vegas think the same thing. The odds opened at 9 to 1. Down to 3.5 to 1.

  10. “There is a script and everything is played out. ” -poolman

    I can’t believe your 50 plus years old.

    Maybe you need to some Julian Assange in your life.

    The secret sauce aint so special, dude. Its just thousand island salad dressing.

    What comfort there must be in believing everything is controlled by an omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient group of elites.

    Poolman, I think maybe you should stay the way you are. I just don’t think you can handle how scary world really is. Leave it to the adults, my son.

  11. Here’s a good article about Evangelical Christians and their warmongering. This author is an evangelical pastor. Tex won’t read it, but maybe pfesser or Rutherford has an interest. It really gets to the heart of what is wrong with the “church” today.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/09/17/are-evangelical-christians-warmongers/

    Rabbit, I didn’t feel the way I do until after I reached 50. With all the information available, I was able to see how much my government lied to me for the first 50 years. Obviously, you got to go with the flow or out the door you go. I refuse to help pave the psycho path.

  12. Poolman, Chuck Baldwin?

    But I don’t think Pfesser is going to like your man much after reading this. In fact, I’m absolutely sure of it. 😆 😆 😆 Perfect.

    So Pfesser, you need to send Poolman another one of those secret decoder messages about me. You guys make the strangest team since Mutt and Jeff.

    But I can damn sure understand why you love Chuck Baldwin, Al-Poolman. This is a man Pfesser would have damn good reason to suspect Christianity is looking to roll the Constitution. Maybe even a real goodness to life Dominionist. 😆 😆 😆

    This is too good….

    http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2010/05/12-chuck-baldwin.html

  13. Well, had my transmission not gone out and completely wiped out Rabbit’s gangster account, I would have lost 200 bucks anyways.

    My boxer got dropped.

    After some success with Mayweather on the ropes, Ortiz was unable to contain his adrenaline and flagrantly head butted him. The round was temporarily stopped and a point was deducted.

    Ortiz then became very strange. He kissed Mayweather, and tried to hug him twice, apologizing profusely, but with a sociopath vibe. When he went in for the second “hug”, he wasn’t protecting himself. He also seemed to be looking at the ref, confused when the fight was resuming. It was then that Mayweather sucker punched him twice, sending him to La-La Land.

    I will say this about Boxing. You never know how the night is going to end.

  14. That’s pretty funny, Tex.

    I guess you read the article. I was agreeing with the message. Even Evangelicals can get it right. 😛

    But your link revealed Michele Bachmann, Glenn Beck, and Bill Maher having made more prominent slots on the loon’s list. I’m sure they could include you in their exclusive membership, given the proper evidence. 😀

  15. “With all the information available…”-poolman

    Exactly. You aren’t educated and/or intelligent enough to navigate the info rev.

    I’m guessing you have been taken advantage of your whole life.

    You see yourself as a courageous renegade of truth, wandering the internet like that dude who hung himself masturbating (David Carradine).

    I can sniff the inner follower in you.

    Even Glendale probably eats you alive.

    I am curious, what is your take on wikileaks? It illuminates a world far different from the one you claim exists.

    Now, I know you are going to say that the weirdo Assange is a C.I.A. plant, despite the fact he first made his name from editing footage of the Iraq war that purposely made the troops look bad (I bet you linked the shit out of that).

    Do you have proof Julian Assange is a C.I.A plant, or do you dismiss all counter evidence wholesale, without apology, if it doesn’t jibe with your fantasy?

  16. You see yourself as a courageous renegade of truth, wandering the internet like that dude who hung himself masturbating (David Carradine).

    LOL I love it when fact and fiction get mixed up. Rabbit I assume you mean that Poolman wanders the Internet much like Caine did in “Kung Fu”? This, by the way, is why I don’t judge the Poolman as harshly as some of you. I view him as a seeker whose filter is not completely working right all the time.

    “The undiscerning mind is like the root of a tree. It absorbs equally all that it touches, even the poison that would kill it.”

  17. Yes hopper…

    The whole wikileaks information was credible, much was not new or unknown. People that have gone through the releases note a lack of discriminating evidence involving anything Israel and therefore it is suspect as an Israeli source or that the leaked info was and given to wikileaks with that bias.

    If wikileaks was a real threat to the major players, it would have never gotten the airplay and Assange wouldn’t have a platform.

    Spy vs Spy

  18. “People that have gone through the releases note a lack of discriminating evidence involving anything Israel and therefore it is suspect as an Israeli source”-Poolman

    Exactly the answer I thought I’d get.

    Basically, if evidence does not implicate Israel, it is merely dismissed because…….rrrrrrrabbit drum roll……it does not implicate Israel.

    Awesome circle.

    Yeah Rutherford. He sure is a “seeker”……

    He is a partisan Truther…..

  19. I said the leaks were credible. But I guess you did not get that. That goes to proves selective hearing/reading.

    What a lack of incriminating Israel data shows is that possibly they are the leak, directly or not. The world knows they are involved in everything, yet absent from “undercover” docs. Why?

    What is your reasoning for there NOT being anything in those releases regarding them?

    You’ve accused me of not proving facts, which I dispute. With certain things, facts don’t have an effect. I don’t expect you to get through 4 days of presentations, but the ones I have listened to are full of convincing data (factual evidence) from scientists, engineers, and architects. Boring academic crap, yes, but not unlike many of the college lectures I recall. They just are not too keen with these happening on American soil in this large of a scale… yet.

    This short clip sums up much of the event. It’s the reaction of a French film maker who gives his opinion and support during the recent Toronto 9/11 Hearings.

  20. “What a lack of incriminating Israel data shows is that possibly they are the leak, directly or not.”-poolman

    There are over 3,000 cables about Israel.

    There hundreds of leaks that don’t paint Israel positively.

    But, let’s put your ignorance on the leaks themselves aside for a moment and simply discuss your faulty logic.

    Do you even realize how bad you have exposed yourself?

    You are not a “seeker”. The proof is in the pudding.

    The evidence is suspect because it doesn’t support your conclusion.

    And instead of questioning your own conclusion, what do you do?

    You have created a little circle where any and all evidence that doesn’t mesh with your version of Israel is itself a part of the conspiracy. And your reasoning? Because it doesn’t mesh with your version. No other reason.

    Don’t worry. I’m not trying to convince you of shit.

    I’m trying to show Rutherford that you are a rigid bigot.

    You don’t question things, you twist things to match your narrative. To the point of making a fool of yourself.

    Thank God you are not a scientist.

  21. There are a ton of leaks you could use to bash Israel.

    But, you don’t.

    Why?

    Because, thanks to wikileaks, the reality is that Israel is NOT any different then any other state. Sure, the leaks shine light on a very active intelligence agency and a ton of clandestine activity. But they are clearly operating for the sake of Israeli security and nothing more.

    In fact, Israel appears to be more upfront about its motives then any other nation.

    For example, Israel REALLY is scared shitless about Iran, as are many other Arab states.

    It becomes very clear, as I peruse the leaks, that Israel is NOT puppet master of a conspiracy in which its tentacles are in control of the world.

    Their tentacles are merely out there with everyone else’s. Their publicly stated fears are genuine.

    Simply put, Poolman, wikileaks is damning evidence that you are full of shit.

    Lastly, there is no mention of an illuminatie (can’t spell that word) or Hall of Justice or X-files or any crazy shit in the thousands upon thousands upon thousands of leaks.

    There is no mention of the “script” you like to talk about.

    Are some of the leaks, “leaked” by design?

    I’d bet there are a few.

    But, make no bones about it.

    Thousands of secret messages between the world’s diplomats have been dumped online for all to see and there aint no mention of your fantasy world.

  22. re: Israel and Iran. I know there is a lot of turmoil in Israel right now, but I do not see why they have not put the Iranian reactor out of business. There must be something going on behind the scenes. Of course the US has its hands so full with Iraq and Afghanistan that it will be of no help, so Israel must go it alone.

    Not a problem; they’ve done it before.

  23. R Obama propaganda channel isn’t interested in objective coverage and reporting? Who knew? Well, at least they spend a fair amount of time criticizing Fox because that IS news, right?

    R, why is this an epiphany?

  24. Oh, PF, your belief that the government prints more money to “inflate its value” is wrong because it presupposes that the source of revenue for the government is printing cash, not taxes. It also ignores the velocity of money (when dollar goes down, holders unload it through immediate purchasing, and fast) and it presupposes that the we have a closed economic system not based on foreign debt. Hyperinflation Wiemar Republic-style is not the the federal plan for paying its debt (if I understand your point).

    (Sorry, I had to follow up from prior thread. Back to R’s incredulity that MSNBC is biased in both what it focuses on reporting and excludes from coverage).

  25. Pfesser,

    In case you didn’t see this, there is much going on behind the scenes. And you’re right. Israel will go it alone, they will destroy Mahmoud, and they will be roundly criticized by the world, including much of America, just like 30 years ago when they were roundly criticized by the entire world for having the foresight to destroy one Saddam Hussein’s nuclear reactors.

    And just like then, the world will give a sigh of relief and not one word of apology will be mentioned about Israel being right after all.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet

  26. Rabbit, I haven’t paid for pay-for-view boxing in 30 years since the Michael Spinks/Mike Tyson ripoff.

    But I still follow it to a degree. I had to laugh when I read last night’s outcome – a head butt followed by a left/right combo. 😆

    I’m surprised you thought Mayweather would lose, but I’m not a student of it anymore. I might chip in to watch a Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight. That would be worth watching.

  27. I’ve been a long time believer that Israel would not only NOT attempt an assault on the Iranian nuclear sites but really couldn’t either.

    Although the Israelis did indeed hold a military exercise showing they have the conventional range I do not believe they have the will or the ability to do it against Iran. The Israelis have extensive drone technology at their disposal but there again I don’t know if that even comes close to being what it would take to destroy the Iranian nuclear program. Seriously does anyone really think the Iranians have their assets in only one location?
    Bottom-line Iran is a superior antagonist compared to Iraq back in the day for a couple of reasons and Israel is smarter than that to give such a gift (an attack) to Iran at this time,or any other in the foreseeable future.

    My hot pick re Israel,Iran and the ME…. Let’s see how the Palestinian UN thing goes and watch for the dominoes to fall then in all types of directions.

  28. Tigre,

    I didn’t completely understand Pfessor’s use of the phrase, “inflate its value” and now I’m scratching my head about your response.

    You are correct that we haven’t “printed” Weimar style.

    But, we clearly raised revenue by printing. We kept the interest rate lower on T-notes by creating synthetic demand for them. We did this by printing (electronically).

    This caused inflation across the board in commodities and made it easier to remain debt junkies. No?

    This policy could theoretically continue so that we never default and never have to raise taxes or rely on an expanding economy…the American people slowly boiling as the proverbial frog in the pot.

    It also did, in fact, raise the money supply but without much of a money multiplier effect because the banks quickly shoved their free cash back into the market (why loan to risky flesh and blood people when a self fulfilling prophesy was being created). Thus, the Dow is inflated.

    QE make perfect economic sense for a country led by the baby boomers for the baby boomers.

    IRA accounts and pensions kick ass, interest rates remain low while the younger population takes the brunt of higher commodity prices and more debt without any upside.

    If it only wasn’t for that nasty, yellow, malleable barbaric relic….it would be fool proof.

  29. Tex, I’m the biggest rube of all time when it comes to boxing.

    I fall hook line and sinker for any promotion angle.

    That being said, Ortiz could have eventually over powered Mayweather. I think Manny is his worst nightmare.

  30. Alfie,

    I agree with most of what you said, except the conclusion. 😉

    Although the Israelis did indeed hold a military exercise showing they have the conventional range I do not believe they have the will or the ability to do it against Iran.

    I don’t think Israel has a choice in the matter. But I think your conclusion both discounts the nature of Israel, and the capability of Israel to think the destruction of Iran has to be by conventional means.

    I believe even as we speak, Iran has been infiltrated by unconventional means, and much of that destruction will come from within. One day, I predict you will read of a nuclear accident, accompanied by high levels of radiation that will be denied without report of a bomb being dropped. In fact, a conventional war may only be a distraction.

  31. R – The money is inflated; its value goes down.

    “…wrong because it presupposes that the source of revenue for the government is printing cash, not taxes.”

    It presupposes no such thing. In point of fact, their source of revenue is both. They “print” the money (buy bonds) and they then spend it. They also spend your tax money. They want access to both sources, in order to buy your vote.

    “Hyperinflation Wiemar Republic-style is not the the federal plan for paying its debt (if I understand your point).”

    They have no other choice, so figuring out their plan is not that difficult. That IS the plan. The debt is now unsustainable and unpayable. There is nothing else left to do, (except stop spending and they are NOT going to do that).

    Talk to me in five years. If we are both still here, I’ll remind you of this conversation.

    Recommend “Aftershock” – currently a very popular book. It lays this out perfectly.

  32. “This caused inflation across the board in commodities and made it easier to remain debt junkies. No?”

    Yes, er umm, no. .. er “I agree.” That’s my point. Printing does “inflate its value” even with PF’s example.

    As simply as I know how to put it, there is no difference between printing more money and issuing more debt. Any money that the Federal government issues is debt, in the sense that it is created by debiting one account, and crediting another account.

    Currency is issued by the Federal Reserve, and debt is issued by the US Treasury. While work together, they are not the same organization. The Treasury has an obligation to repay its debt on a fixed schedule and at a fixed price. It does not have the ability to create the currency required to do so. It can get the currency through taxing its citizens, getting loans in the form of new debt.

    As for my comment about a closed system: hyperinflation does not reduce foreign debt. A devalued dollar hurts when we have debt measure in Yuan or Euro. Since you arbitrage (I think), you certainly understand that you can always exchange a $20 for two $10 bills, but you can’t necessarily exchange it for a Euro, a Treasury bill, or anything else unless there is parity in the value of the dollar yesterday with the value of the dollar tomorrow.

    As for velocity, no one that is rational hordes “cash” if it will be devalued over time. You consume or unload it quickly for something that will at least keep its value or increase (this is the “velocity” that creates spiraling inflation (hyperinflation, Wiemar-style).

    My other point about tax revenue is straight forward. Printing money generates money supply not “revenue” as PF argues. For the government, revenue is taxes (regardless of its name).

    Since the value of Its debt instruments are dependent on the value of the dollar tomorrow, devaluing the dollar has the net effect of devaluing “revenue” no matter how you slice it. So the idea that greater monetary supply creates “revenue” doesn’t really “inflate its value” (PF’s point).

    With all that said, you now have me scratching my head at what you said. I think we are speaking the same language but addressing different points.

  33. PF, you’re just changing your construct; I was answering R’s question. So feel free to remind us of your “wisdom” in 5 years.

  34. How closed of a system is it? The entire basket is being debased. The central planners seem to work in tandem, when it comes to monetary policy.

    TARP money flew across the pond. Timmy just got back from Europe.

    If the system was any where near closed, gold would be at 400 bucks an ounce or less and the Euro dominating the dollar.

  35. I’m sitting here listening to Paul Ryan and I really like this guy – I don’t know anything about his other stances on policy, but fiscally, he’s pretty sharp. He gets it.

  36. The evidence is suspect because it doesn’t support your conclusion.

    This approach is hardly limited to Poolman. I think we have all been guilty of it repeatedly the most obvious example being our tendency to reject information purely based on its source without even considering it … whether it is National Review, World Net Daily, HuffPo, Salon.com, etc.

    It’s one of the reasons I’ve gotten such a major kick out of Gorilla’s recent citations from Salon. Nothing makes a conservative happier than seeing liberals eat their own. 🙂

  37. I think we have all been guilty of it repeatedly the most obvious example being our tendency to reject information purely based on its source without even considering it … whether it is National Review, World Net Daily, HuffPo, Salon.com, etc.

    Maybe it’s because most of us besides you are a little suspicious of someone who poses the theory of nefarious plans of American Jooos 9/11 plans for Tower destruction, subliminally contained in Simpson cartoons ❓ Hmmm….

    That’s not a problem with “the filter” as you suggest, but something much deeper. Mental instability, perhaps?

    On a lighter note, it occurred to me today I have completely lost interest in the NFL. Completely…wouldn’t pay $5.00 to attend a game on the 50yrd line.

    ——-

    In 1986, 18% of the American public paid no federal income tax. The rate is now 51%.

    Anybody think you really can’t buy an election, Mr. Obama?

  38. Paul Ryan … He gets it.

    Well, I have no real idea if he gets it or not. I will say this, his optics are fantastic. He’s not divisive. He seems to talk facts (or at least his own set of facts). He is one of the few in Washington who produced a concrete idea on how to fix things and he was derided by Lib and GOPher alike for it, which means it must have been pretty good.

  39. In 1986, 18% of the American public paid no federal income tax. The rate is now 51%.

    How does that square with the unemployment rate? Dead men tell no tales and unemployed men pay no taxes.

  40. Also, putting aside unemployment, how do income levels now compare with those of 1986? Something tells me this is a statistic taken completely out of context.

    How could this statistic possibly be taken out of context? You either pay or you don’t.

    Something tells me our ‘non progressive tax’ is a lot more “progressive” than you leftist shills care to admit.

  41. @ # 50 He who should be ignored
    Fox 5,Bloomberg,NY Post,Forbes ………….

    To the resident Detroiter… Congrats on the Lions

    Tex 38 A good example of how an e conversation pales in comparison to face to face. I think we’re actually kind of in agreement. Israel if/when they react to the Iranians will indeed be working in covert ways as will the Iranians thus assuring a more legit expression militarily.

  42. “This approach is hardly limited to Poolman.”-R

    If that’s the case, can I go to Klan websites and invite them over here? How about Al Queda? It be a new group of “seekers” and diversify the crowd here a bit.

    Or is complete illogical bigotry leveled against your own country the only brand of ignorance you find cute?

    You see how he operates.

    R, you need to stop this “poolman’s a seeker” bull shit and call out the dangerous garbage for what it is. I’m not saying ban him. I’m just requesting you get real with him and stop making excuses. Hell, ignore him if you want to. But get off his nut sack, for the love of Zeus.

    You claimed he is a seeker with a broken filter. I think his logic on wiki-leaks proves he is the most rigid person here.

    You do know your reaction to the Truther conspiracy is exactly the same as mainstream Germany’s reaction to the National Socialist conspiracy in the late 20’s. I don’t toss the whole Hitler thing around much. But, it’s very fitting in this situation. .

    Dude….he’s by no means the only one that believes this shit. If he was, I’d grin about it too. His poison has infected way too many in this country.

  43. “wouldn’t pay $5.00 to attend a game on the 50yrd line.”-Tex

    i don’t believe that. I hear what you are saying. But, I still aint buying it.

    How about 2 free beers, a polish kielbasa smothered in onions and mustard and 5 dollar tickets?

  44. On a serious note, I always wondered what it would be like to live in a major metro area that really doesn’t have any sports franchises. I would imagine its got to effect the way you look at sports. Is the NBA team in Tulsa?

  45. @ comments 52-54 I apologize if I’m butting in on a private conversation but I am curious.
    1986 median income around $29,400, 2010 is $49,445.
    What’s the point?

  46. I’ll add that the US Misery Index is higher today than in ’86,I honestly have no idea if this has use to the conversation at hand that I’ve already kinda admitted has me in the dark.

  47. R, since you seem willing to consider sources other than MSNBC for now, here is Krauthammer explaining the Solyndra mess. He is dead on balls accurate (quote form My Cousin Vinny). You can ignore Hannity, but you can’t argue with Krauthammer’s point. He’s 100% right. Let me know what you think please. It’s quite an indictment of the left’s approach to market interference.

  48. First, the easy.

    Rabbit, Oklahoma is mainly a college state. OU and OSU dominate, but the OKC Thunder has become quite popular.

    My reasons are personal – I think money has destroyed professional sports – and college is well on its way.

    Last night, OSU played TU in Tulsa – big intrastate rivalry. Damn weather postponed the starting time until 12:16 AM, and the game didn’t finish until 3:35 AM. I’m not kidding. And the price of the tickets to sit in the rain for 4-5 hours, before the game even started? $95.00. I stayed up to watch the 1st quarter and laughed at a college stadium that appeared to have maybe 10,000 people left to watch. I’ve watched college football for 40 years and never seen anything like it. Anybody dumb enough to pay that much for a marginal game deserves to get home at 5:00 AM.

  49. As a non-sports fan (I watch the occasional round of pro-golf) I have to ask … isn’t boxing basically fixed at this point and only a couple of notches above pro-wrestling in legitimacy? I used to watch it when I was a kid because I loved Ali. When Ali stopped boxing I basically stopped watching.

  50. Alfie, sorry if the % of folks paying income tax argument confused you. What it boils down to is I don’t trust the statistic completely and sense conservatives are using it for spin. However your comment about the median income rising from 86 to today deflates one of my theories. 😦

  51. I’d like to pose a question to the Sarah fans here.

    First, let me say that the new book about her is in my estimation totally superfluous, gratuitous and unnecessary. A book about her being a lousy Governor might have been worth something. A book about her snorting coke off oil barrels and sleeping with black athletes makes Joe McGinniss nothing better than a gossip columnist.

    With that said, do you think the book will in any way influence her getting into the race? I’ve heard a theory that I kinda like which says the book will so piss her off that she will announce a Presidential run just to spite the book and thumb her nose at her critics. Personally, I am at a point now where I hope she gets in. Bachmann is toast and her stupidity is becoming tiresome. Perry is already fading. Everyone else, pretty vanilla with the exception of Ron Paul. Sarah would make the GOP race mucho entertaining …. and in turn would prompt an overwhelming drive to force Chris Christie into the race.

  52. Rutherford, no, most boxing isn’t fixed, although its always a possibility. The whole fixed fight thing is kind of exaggerated.

    That being said, money has certainly decimated the sport.

    I think I watch because I sickly like seeing things in their decline.

    The funny thing is boxing has been described as a dead sport for 200 hundred years. It’s the zombie of professional sports.

    I don’t blame anyone for not watching it. It’s just a weird thing my brothers and I are into. Plus, you always have something to talk about with the guys mowing your neighbor’s lawn.

  53. Dear God please make it stop.

    Rutherford, I don’t hate Sarah so I probably qualify as a fan. I don’t think she’s going to run. If she doesn’t, then I will have been wrong about that.

    Good talk.

    🙂

  54. The book recently penned about Sarah Palin is grotesque and a so deceitful, even libs acknowledge the Peeping Tom and pedophile who wrote it is disturbed.

    But if Sarah Palin chooses to run in a race she has no chance, it tells me these “honed” political instincts are more a reflection of disdain of Barack Obama and his many shortcomings than of goodwill toward Sarah Palin; the ultimate political serendipity of being in the right place at the right time. It will do nothing but finally confirm to us who have defended Palin from personal attacks, that Palin’s fans are deluded and cult like, like Obama’s.

    Sarah can join Michelle Bachmann as shrewish, desperate and a self-absorbed, far better looking but really no different than the harpies who make up a large voting bloc of the Dimocratic party.

  55. …MSNBC’s advantage over Fox [is] that they had bias without hypocrisy…

    I’m trying to understand this. The difference is that Fox says they are fair and balanced, while MSNBC does not make that claim?

    Is that it?

  56. Sarah fans around here? You mean people that don’t carry irrational hatred and contempt for her such that they would accuse her of the Tucson shootings and spend their energies attacking her family on personal level that sinks to criticism of mental retardation of a baby because of their own demons like you and PF do?

    Did Muffy hit it right?

  57. Muffy, you will have to forgive Rutherford.

    It might be time to seek the philosophical casket and lay liberal’s collective soul to rest. The Cult of Obama is apparently on its last breath.

    As I recently noted at another blog, Rutherford is suffering from an acute case of Post Traumatic Obama Disorder – mummified with the torn and tattered robe of Caesar Obama – two eye slits all that is left to see the charred remains of a short-lived empire of Greek columned stages full of once adoring fans, disillusioned groupies.

    MSNBC’s stink and Chaz Maddow’s musk is all that is left as the stench of ‘Progressive’ hypocrisy and lies permeates through the threads…

  58. Now come on guys, you have to admit, BiW’s latest post is hardly up to his standard.

    The difference is that Fox says they are fair and balanced, while MSNBC does not make that claim?

    While I’m not sure I would have put it that way Muffy, I guess that does sum it up. But it goes deeper than that. I truly believe that Fox will lie and distort to support their agenda and I simply don’t believe MSNBC is usually guilty of that.

    This is why I sat with disbelief watching Chris Matthews go on and on about Perry cronyism with the elephant in the room named Solyndra staring right at him.

  59. One of the insights I’m getting from talking with my co-host Sandi every week is that former Hillary supporters are getting very impatient with Obama and getting quite pissed off. Sandi blew my mind last night when she said the ideal scenario would be for Obama to pull a Johnson and not seek a second term, paving the way for a bad-ass liberal to run in 2012.

    Mark Halperin this morning very succinctly stated why Obama will not pull out. He wants to be an historic President and not an “accident of history”.

    The odd thing is I can’t name a single Democrat with the possible exception of Hillary, who would inspire any enthusiasm in 2012, while on the GOP side, if Chris Christie just says “yes”, the game is over. He will be the next POTUS.

  60. Here, R, I’m throwing you a rope. Obama’s numbers might stink, until you realize they’re 20 points higher than the Boner crew, not to mention the even lowlier Tea Baggers. Pass that bill!

  61. “Here, R, I’m throwing you a rope. Obama’s numbers might stink, until you realize they’re 20 points higher than the Boner crew, not to mention the even lowlier Tea Baggers. Pass that bill!”

    This is a really stupid comparison.

    I might like my representative just fine, and everyone out of my district might hate him.

    Who’s opinion matters more?

    If you want to make a comparison worth making, compare Obama’s rating to the ratings of past presidents seeking re-election. You’ll find that rope turn into a noose.

  62. “This is a really stupid comparison.

    I might like my representative just fine, and everyone out of my district might hate him.”

    He’s not running in a district. This is a national debate where his vision for the future is crushing the competition. Perry and Bachman have tea bags protruding from every orifice and Romney’s stance on taxes and Ryan’s budget place him squarely in Boner’s lap. Obama is winning against these ideas.

  63. “Sandi blew my mind last night when she said the ideal scenario would be for Obama to pull a Johnson and not seek a second term, paving the way for a bad-ass liberal to run in 2012.” R

    Were you not alive in ’68? Or is this more of that misdirection Tex warned us about? BBL

  64. This is a national debate where his vision for the future is crushing the competition. Perry and Bachman have tea bags protruding from every orifice and Romney’s stance on taxes and Ryan’s budget place him squarely in Boner’s lap. Obama is winning against these ideas.

    ** GUFFAW **

    Huck just schooled you, and you don’t even know it. Obama is so popular, the best liberal I know and owner of this blog is hearing from all corners that someone else should run besides Obama. He’s not even worthy in those circles.

    You know what I like best about you Thorazine? Your short and selective memory.

    Less than a year ago, you loons were absolutely without dispute taken to the woodshed in a historical rout. Trust me, nothing has changed, and it has only gotten worse for liberals, which has failed in every capacity. At this moment, I predict either Romney or Perry wouldn’t just beat Obama – they would crush him. Republicans will win the Senate. Both will win the entire South, Ohio, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania, possibly Michigan, Nevada and New Hampshire. Maybe even Maine and CO. You can kiss of the entire central part of the country as they would soon vote for Charlie Sheen over Obama. That leaves you NY, MA, RI, DE, IL, and the Left Coast.

    Forget about it. Unless things change, your boy is toast.

    Hence, the Hillary push. And if that happens, I can’t wait to dredge up all of Hillary Rotten’s negatives. She’s an even easier target than Obama. But I predict Hillary is way too savvy to attempt it – she knows her best hope is to let the stain of Obama be wiped up before entering the fray.

  65. Here’s the problem with George Carlin telling us the “truth” about the American Dream. George says that “you and I” are getting f*cked by the MAN. I don’t know about any of you guys but I’d sure love to get f*cked Carlin style. How many millions was he worth when he died? How many times did he sweat over a mortgage payment? When did he have to relocate his family to avoid foreclosure?

    This is the problem I have with rich guys telling me how “we’re” getting screwed over. As we say in my family when the kid is not listening, “what’s this “we” sh*t?” 😦

  66. Obama is winning against these ideas.

    Is he? I turn on the TV and see crowds cheering executions. When they’re not cheering that, they’re cheering people dying for lack of health insurance.

  67. When are you guys going to realize Warren Buffett is quickly becoming a senile, old man? He’s the ultimate crony capitalist and hypocrite. A critic of derivatives, but a holder of some of the largest derivatives?

    I’m actually glad Uncle Warren is showing his ass. I’ve wanted a chance to help dog pile that old bastard for a long, long time. Uncle Warren is another that has been lionized by the media and hiding behind his self-aggrandizement for a long time.

    Even members of his own family have called Uncle Warren a blatant phony and SOB.

  68. Were you not alive in ’68? Or is this more of that misdirection Tex warned us about? BBL

    Well here’s the problem in 1968. When Johnson pulled out, Kennedy was still alive and McCarthy, if I’m not mistaken was a pretty dynamic candidate. Bobby gets killed after the CA primary and we get stuck with vanilla Humphrey. I need to do some wiki-reading to find out why McCarthy didn’t do better.

    Bottom line, as I said earlier, if Obama pulls out, who in God’s name fills the void?

  69. “He’s not running in a district.”

    So what? The Tea Party caucus or the House isn’t “running” any portion of our geography, either.

    And they aren’t supposed to. Their job is to represent the people who elected them. Theirs is the ONLY opinion that matters. And their opinions are displayed at the ballot box…much as we saw in NY and NV. Obama’s ideas or poor congressional ratings sure didn’t help in those places, did they?

  70. Tex, the polls don’t support your supposition. Obama beats all GOP contenders right now or at least has a statistical tie.

    But anyone who thinks 2012 won’t be a nail-biter is fooling themselves. That’s why I hope the GOP nominate at least someone halfway qualified to take over just in case your premonition comes true.

    I’m telling you, even though I’d call Christie a hypocrite the minute he announces, that would be a game changer. I’d also love to see Jeb Bush get in the race but my hitting a million dollar lotto payment has better odds.

  71. And Warren Buffet can kiss my ass too. -Rutherford

    LOL. I know, right? The day this billionaire gives the OK to backtaxing everything he made after his first million then maybe I’ll take him seriously.

  72. “This is a national debate where his vision for the future is crushing the competition.”

    If by “his” you are referring to “Obama’s” and by “the competition” you mean “successful businesses that employ people and make them not reliant on the government teet” then I couldn’t agree more.

    But I suspect by your partisan rhetoric and childish name calling that that is not what you meant….

  73. “Tex, the polls don’t support your supposition. Obama beats all GOP contenders right now or at least has a statistical tie.”

    That’s because the GOP contenders take support away from each other.

    When the field is narrowed to 1, those worthless polls of 1500 people may well look very different.

  74. Tex, the polls don’t support your supposition. Obama beats all GOP contenders right now or at least has a statistical tie.

    The same “polls” that keep reassuring us Obama is in the same position Ronald Reagan was at this time? 😆 I’m still waiting for one of you libs to take my 100-1 odds Obama can’t repeat Reagan’s results.

    To hell with this misleading, horseshit polls. Obama is in a world of trouble.

    Sandie’s confidence in The Won says oodles Bub. You wouldn’t be rolling out the racist Hillary Rotten if you thought the odds were even.

  75. R, you’re misunderstanding the poll data for the reasons stated by Huck. You can;t take the line-up of primary candidates and compare like that to get a real idea of a match up.

  76. “I don’t know about any of you guys but I’d sure love to get f*cked Carlin style. How many millions hundred thousands was he worth when he died?”

    “This is the problem I have with rich guys telling me how “we’re” getting screwed over.”

    Didn’t you hear? The term “rich” has been redefined to those making more than $200k annually. It is no longer measured in “millions.”

  77. Huck and Tigre, sorry your analysis escapes me.

    Folks are asked Obama vs X and they give an answer. The existence of a field of opponents is irrelevant. Anyone aware of the field of potential nominees simply says “I like Romney best and I vote for him over Obama” or “I like Perry best and I’d vote for him over Obama”.

    The simple bottom line is no one is overwhelmingly picking their fav GOP nominee and then saying “I like him over Obama”.

    But I’ll throw you guys an olive branch of sorts. Tex is right. Polls are pure sh*t. The only poll that counts is the one in November 2012.

  78. I find it kind of funny that the same people trying to convince me that Christianists are not trying to take over the country are the same people who are trying to convince me that Islamists are.

    Not nearly as funny as I find the radical Muslim appeasers and Christian bashers who continually assure us a theocracy is forever descending on the United States, but somehow it always lands in the Middle East.

  79. The term “rich” has been redefined to those making more than $200k annually.

    I never signed up for that definition. I always thought that part of the Obama plan was stupid. He should have immediately targeted millionaires because everyone in the general public recognizes that as rich …. even though a million doesn’t go as far as it used to.

  80. I find it kind of funny that the same people trying to convince me that Christianists are not trying to take over the country are the same people who are trying to convince me that Islamists are.

    Brav-f*ckin-o!!!!

  81. So where is this theocracy Rutherford, you being the second most egregious Christian basher on the board? I’m still waiting around for these charges do carry something resembling substance.

    This is all your left with, even if you want to convince us Obama has a pulse. Christian bashing, attempts to minimize Obama’s opponents usually under the banner of their basic beliefs of God, and Conservative women misogyny.

    That’s why I think you’re pretty much a phony like your friend Sandi. You come in with your sad tales of woe about watching 9/11 rehashed, and then your only “theocracy: accusations are directed Christians, even when you’ve seen first hand a real theocracy of the Caliphate in action, at the hand of Islam. Worse, you’ll attend some liberal substance resembling Christian worship for I guess your wife’s family. I can’t tell you how hypocritical I find that. Why don’t you have some balls and repeat to your wife’s parents what you do here on the board? At least that might indicate that no matter how suicidal you are, at least your honest in your discretion.

    If it weren’t so nauseating, I could laugh at your lunacy.

  82. R, your analysis escapes me (so there). But if you’d like to think that Obama holds an 80% (+/-) over any one of the republican primary contenders if a general election were help today, be my guest. Obama should have nothing to worry about (other than Christie getting into the race according to you). I know the figure is necessarily diluted because it requires picking among the republican candidates before before a match up. So does the Ragin’ Cajun. !

  83. “…even when you’ve seen first hand a real theocracy of the Caliphate in action…”

    Sorry to have to be the one to tell you…but there is no caliphate. The Islamic theocracies are not united. There is no Muslim boogeyman that is going to steal your country or your head, even though there are foolish people who feel the need to pass ridiculous laws to protect you from him.

    “Why don’t you have some balls and repeat to your wife’s parents what you do here on the board?”

    I’d love to hear you say the stuff you say here to your Muslim neighbor. Do you laugh in his face and call his prophet an illiterate child molester? I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that you don’t.

  84. Why don’t you have some balls and repeat to your wife’s parents what you do here on the board?

    Well, my wife’s parents are both gone now but that’s academic. A brief anecdote to deflate your accusation:

    The last time my wife and kid traveled here without me they attended church and my daughter vomited right in the middle of the service. My wife said to her brother, “her Dad would be so proud!”

    So believe me, my in-laws are not under the impression that I am a “believer”. And I hate to break this to you but my wife’s family are what I call “social Christians”. Church is a social event for them. It also gives them an avenue for charitable endeavors. They’re not out trying to “save” anyone, least of all me. 😉

  85. While I’m at it, I think I’ve been pretty fair in my discussion of religion and Christianity in particular, overall. Yes I have my days when I can be a bit acerbic but for the most part I think I’ve asked respectful questions and been careful in my critical rhetoric.

    The bottom line Tex is I love it when Huck calls you out on your Islamaphobia. If that irks you, so be it.

  86. I’d love to hear you say the stuff you say here to your Muslim neighbor. Do you laugh in his face and call his prophet an illiterate child molester? I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that you don’t.

    Oh
    my
    God
    CLASSIC 😆

  87. The Islamic theocracies are not united. There is no Muslim boogeyman that is going to steal your country or your head, even though there are foolish people who feel the need to pass ridiculous laws to protect you from him.

    It’s a strange blog we’ve strung together here.

    3,000 dead on 9/11 says Islam is making a valid attempt to establish a Caliphate and that is exactly the plan of Al Qaeda and their “bogeyman.” The “war” was intended to unite Islam against the West into a Caliphate. They failed, but only for a time. I’m afraid your theories will be going to the wind in short order when Palestine demands a state led your Jew hating, beloved U.N.. And Jerusalem – the very Jerusalem who becomes a burdensome stone in that book of “myths” predicted 2,700 years ago? Each of you sharing a common bond with your beloved U.N. – an intense hatred of Jews? My, my. What might happen when Palestine demands control of Jerusalem?

    And you’re equally as ignorant in your assessment of the so called Arab spring and Turkey’s wayward move to radical Islam too. And you think Turkey secular and democratic. 😆 Naive is not strong enough descriptor. Wanna bet which one of us is proven right in no short order? Oh, I guarantee an attempt to establish a Caliphate is coming. I only hope you’re around long enough so that I can say, “Told you so…” like I have to Rutherford so many times.

    That’s why you ignore the postings of Palestinians dancing in the streets after the towers fell, and the indoctrination of their children by only Hamas (cough cough), but blame Israel for the world’s problems. Doesn’t fit that academic narrative you’ve put all your hopes and dreams in. But by all means, cast your vote for Obama if you think a Christian theocracy is your biggest concern.

    You’re a perfect caricature of the useful idiot the Muslims can use – like Poolman 🙂 . You think about who you have aligned with here when you believe you’re really clever in retort. I don’t hold much hope for the future of Rutherford and Poolman, but if that is who choose to align your faith with, who am I to argue? 😉 You too can be cast to the winds of ignorance.

    What I can’t figure out about you Huck, is your blindness due to your hatred of Christ, or is it something less personal – that you are dumb enough to not understand the ramifications of what’s coming down the pike?

    As far as my Muslim neighbor, he’s completely secular and escaped the bonds of Islam long ago – the epitome of MINO. Hirsi Ali reads like a mere piker. He says much worse and would be your nightmare in a debate about the religion of pieces. See, yours is just leftist, academia dogma not built on fact but progressive, Jew hating bias – the most clueless people on earth. My neighbor lived it and would call you a fool.

    Peace be with you. While you still have your head. 😉

  88. Not nearly as funny as I find the radical Muslim appeasers and Christian bashers who continually assure us a theocracy is forever descending on the United States, but somehow it always lands in the Middle East.

    I spit my lunch out on that.

    Tex, we had a vistior from Indonesia yesterday who was talking about how the church is growing there…

    Had a very enlightening perspective on Proverbs 3:6.

  89. “Whoever said 80%? I said the election will be a nail-biter.”

    I’m sorry. You did and I overlooked it. I was thinking of the worst of the group, Cain, Huntsman, Santorum, Newt.

    I retract.

    But that does not take away from the point. I believe any one of them would likely lay a smack down on Obama were the general election held today because there’s no real match up in this type of polling for the reason stated by Huck along with the most difficult to predict, voter turnout.

    I know you’ll do what you can to keep the black man in office, including advocating Palin as a way to supposedly get Christie in the race, you racist! 😆

    R, the best part about your predictions from what I’ve seen is that you have been universally wrong.

  90. Do you laugh in his face and call his prophet an illiterate child molester?

    Well, we know for a fact Mohammad was in fact illiterate as his first wife or Caliph later had to transcribe the outline of the Koran (while he sat on her knee 😈 receiving the word from a demon), and Mr. Prophet was married to Aisha when she was nine (9).

    But I believe I was nicer and used the more politically correct term ‘pedophile.’

    It’s so obvious the Koran a bad clone of the Torah without racham (mercy), plus a little bit of bad New Testament theology to make it fit something legible, one hardly has to be a scholar if they know anything of the Bible (that would immediately excuse you) to recognize it.

    Anybody beyond the bonds of the totalitarian repression of Islam recognizes as much, whether you believe any of them.

  91. BIC, While the fools of the world like Rutherford and others here think Christianity is dying, and that is not even happening in America as I am experiencing younger generations far more interested in faith, what they don’t understand is that Christianity is growing immensely in China, Russia, some Islamic countries that aren’t savaged, and most definitely Africa. Doesn’t surprise me in the least about our brother from Indonesia.

    There’s a world view that permeates this board that extends all the way to Chicago and the outskirts of Hartford, with some PuffHo mixed in. 🙂

    And they haven’t a clue to what is storming down the turnpike about 100mph. In the theater of my mind, I can see Rutherford sitting with a rag on his head serving Halal. It’s his destiny. 😈

  92. I will be nice to my Rutherford and tell him I tested your slow load on two different computers – one with far more RAM than the other.

    That is not the problem as there was little difference.

    I suspect it’s simply bandwidth limitation….

  93. I doubt it’s a RAM issue. I have 12g on my home PC and 8 at work, and the load time at work smokes the load time at home. I’m running IE9 on both.

    My workbox at home is a wired connection, and I don’t even bother trying on my laptop (wireless) after the first few days of a new thread. Same with the iPhone.

    Really 3g (1st gen iPhone) and my wireless setup (G+old card) is useless for threads of over about 300. Sometimes less, depending on the embedded videos.

  94. It’s so obvious the Koran a bad clone of the Torah without racham (mercy), plus a little bit of bad New Testament theology to make it fit something legible, one hardly has to be a scholar if they know anything of the Bible (that would immediately excuse you) to recognize it.

    What claptrap. Not a lot original about the Bible Tex. It has stories very similar to ancient religions that precede it. Yet no one calls it a clone of anything.

    Your problem my good man is a lack of religious humility. I think even a minister would say your arrogance regarding the “truth” of the “word” is unbecoming.

  95. I will be nice to my Rutherford and tell him I tested your slow load on two different computers

    Thanks for the test. The check is in the mail. 🙂

    I gotta tell you, Internet over cable has come a long way since I first tried it some 12 years ago. I’ve had some nasty drops in service within the past week, but when it is up, it is on fire.

  96. ** Guffaw **

    What claptrap. Not a lot original about the Bible Tex. It has stories very similar to ancient religions that precede it. Yet no one calls it a clone of anything.

    Really? Is that a fact. Yes, by all means show those religions of a like the New Testament story that preceded it and their historical relevance. I want to see the millions of published copies, since the printing press was specifically designed for one purpose – to share the Bible.

    I think you mouth a clap trap and don’t have a fricking clue what you are talking about. I think you’re an ignorant blowhard of religion in general and Christianity specifically.

    Here’s the word when I think of your knowledge of religion.

    BRICK

    Your problem my good man is a lack of religious humility. I think even a minister would say your arrogance regarding the “truth” of the “word” is unbecoming.

    Speaking of arrogance, from the man who denies God’s existence? And you want to scold me about arrogance from the King of Humanism? You think your denial of God shows humility? 😆 😆 Save if for your religious, bigot buddies. I know you a fool.

    So you want to talk to these Christian ministers about arrogance regarding truth and ask them which they believe arrogant – One way or no way? Okay. Show tell me who and where we meet. The only thing unbecoming of a believer is to say something completely inane like, “Oh, all religions are basically the same” which filters out of your sewer every day. That’s not only arrogance, but abject stupidity.

  97. After watching that Krauthammer clip, I’m awed how perfect that political bomb was packaged and delivered. There was high fives going on somewhere. Opportune moment.

    Muffy, you’ll just have to scroll past my posts. Sorry. The local denizen tried voting me off the island, but they were over-ruled. I’m certain you’ll keep a record of my sins to resurrect with the proper prompting.

    I guess I better follow Tex’s link in 101 first to see if I have anymore reason to disagree with him. 😀

  98. Nope. Pretty non-controversial article. Folks are spending more on survival, so donations are down.

    Move along. Nothing to see here… Christians NEVER turn crusader on you and have NEVER ruled from the throne. 🙄

    Christianity as a religion is still holding very decent ground worldwide. Christianity as a lifestyle as 1st John 2:6 proclaims – very rare – especially in America. As a religion it isn’t growing much, especially compared to Islam, but there’s little chance of it fading into obscurity. There are movements within Christianity as a whole that are being awakened.

  99. Your problem my good man is a lack of religious humility. I think even a minister would say your arrogance regarding the “truth” of the “word” is unbecoming.

    Rutherford, why don’t you ever quit when you’re behind? Seriously, you intellectually pants yourself better than anyone else can when you say things like this.

    The only people you might get to confirm statements like this would be fellas like Joel Osteen, who seems to regard Christ the same way people in Harry Potter’s world regard Voldemort…don’t ever utter his name, and the post-modern or “emergent” church which like many of the sophists alive and well in society today, reject the notion of any truth beyond the concept that there is no truth.

  100. Ummmm…

    About that claim that Obama beats all GOP contenders in head-to-head polling…

    think again.

    “Romney does better among the swing voters who hold the key to most general elections. Among all registered voters, Romney edges President Obama while Perry narrowly lags him.”

  101. “After watching that Krauthammer clip, I’m awed how perfect that political bomb was packaged and delivered.”

    Yeah. Pure fortuity. 🙄

  102. “Really? Is that a fact. Yes, by all means show those religions of a like the New Testament story that preceded it and their historical relevance. I want to see the millions of published copies,”

    The list of gods and demigods that were created by their mothers being mysteriously impregnated by gods is huge and goes back thousands of years before the sexless birth of Christ. It’s a list that includes the likes of Krishna, Zoroaster, and more Greek and Roman gods than I care to list. All of which shouldn’t require me to elaborate on their historical relevance.

    And there are lots of parallels to stories of Christianity and the cult of Mithras, which I have told you before and you scoffed at in your bias or ignorance.

  103. It’s a list that includes the likes of Krishna, Zoroaster, and more Greek and Roman gods than I care to list. All of which shouldn’t require me to elaborate on their historical relevance.

    Really? Do we worship them as creator now? Did they split time, or start Western Civilization? Did they claim divinity to save us from our sins, crucified on a cross by Rome, resurrected and ascended 500 witnesses? Do we build hospitals in their name, or did they bring Rome to its knees, only to become the very origins of the church? Did we create printing presses in their name to pass the good news to modern man, establish modern science, or build some of the most beautiful structures in the world? Are they influential enough to create organizations as Salvation Army or Habitat for Humanity today?

    And this Mithras you speak? Were is it? Did it have any lasting influence? Where are its organizations and leadership? Did it change the world, or inspire American Presidents?

    I can go to any insane asylum this minute and find someone claiming to be messiah. But who are they? What is their influence or their impact?

    Of all the names in history, what name has published more books, had more music and art inspired and published? Who are these little gods you speak Huck? Where is your proof? Wiki?

    Your claims and analogy Huck are so bogus to be laughable. Pure, pathetic leftist dogma of absolutely no influence or concern which will die with you and your band of deceit, only to be recreated in a new image with a new message with a new claim of comparison.

    Christ will remain steadfast, influential and Godhead.

  104. This song is for my wife, who thought working from home was going to be a great life improvement….until they fired 3 people, giving her all their responsibilities and literally working her 24 hours a day.

  105. If Joel Osteen was a Catholic, we would make a shrine for those ivory white holy relics, masquarading as teeth…….

    😆 Those aren’t teeth. They’re tablets. Maybe there are commandments engraved.

    His wife is a babe, though. You ought to see that monstrosity of a building down in Houston. I drove by it a couple of weeks back and it looked like an arena for pro sports.

    Herod would be proud.

  106. “I can go to any insane asylum this minute and find someone claiming to be messiah. But who are they? What is their influence or their impact?”

    Those are goalposts you put up and have nothing to do with Rutherford’s assertion. Look again at what he said…

    “It has stories very similar to ancient religions that precede it.”

    That statement doesn’t have jack to do with printing presses or the names of hospitals or US presidents.

    And it is one that you have yet to actually refute…because you can’t…because it is an absolutely accurate statement based on historical fact.

  107. “Huck just schooled you, and you don’t even know it. Obama is so popular, the best liberal I know and owner of this blog is hearing from all corners that someone else should run besides Obama. He’s not even worthy in those circles.” -Tex

    Really? Then why does the latest WSJ-NBC poll show his approval-disapproval among Dems at 81-14. Among Liberals at 74-21 and among blacks at 92%? These numbers are hardly indicative of a surging fifth column within his base. I think the only people pushing for Hillary are fools and Republicans (A tough distinction to make sometimes). //firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/09/14/7760560-the-liberal-disaffection-myth

  108. “Less than a year ago, you loons were absolutely without dispute taken to the woodshed in a historical rout. Trust me, nothing has changed” -Tex

    Tex- According to Gallup, Tea Party approval has dropped to an ALL TIME LOW of 25%. Looks like something has changed.
    //www.gallup.com/poll/148940/tea-party-sparks-antipathy-passion.aspx

  109. “Really? Then why does the latest WSJ-NBC poll show his approval-disapproval among Dems at 81-14. Among Liberals at 74-21 and among blacks at 92%? ”

    Because it is not the latest Gallup poll that show black approval of Obama slipping below 85%. In fact, Gallup doesn’t show black support for Obama at 92% since the first half of 2009—more than 2 years ago. So allow me to be the first to introduce you and the pollsters at NBC and the WSJ to 2011. You’ll find it looks remarkably different than 2009.

    Nor is it the Gallup poll that puts his overall approval rating at 40%, which is far too low to be explained simply by disenfranchised PUMAs and partisan Republicans.

    Class dismissed….

  110. And their opinions are displayed at the ballot box…much as we saw in NY and NV. Obama’s ideas or poor congressional ratings sure didn’t help in those places, did they?

    Are you talking about Democrat Kathy Hochul’s victory in the New York’s traditionally Republican 26th? She ran against Ryan’s budget. Cantor and Boehner stumped for her opponent. Didn’t help.

  111. “In fact, Gallup doesn’t show black support for Obama at 92% since the first half of 2009—more than 2 years ago. So allow me to be the first to introduce you and the pollsters at NBC and the WSJ to 2011.”

    Are you saying that the WSJ poll is skewed? Rupert is a closet Obama supporter?

  112. No, I am talking about New York’s traditionally Democratic 9th.

    Face it, man. 2010 saw the GOP kick the living shit out of the democratic party. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. Special elections since haven’t gone that well, either..including NY-9, which dems held for what….90 years?

    The only fool in the room is the one who thinks democrats are sitting pretty for 2012. I’m not making any predictions of GOP victories, but if democrats aren’t worried then they aren’t paying attention.

    It’s really that simple and no amount of outlier polling is going to change it.

  113. “Are you saying that the WSJ poll is skewed?”

    Are you saying Gallup is skewed? You sure seemed to find it credible in your #150.

    I don’t put any stock in polling, and anyone here will tell you that has always been my position. There will always be a poll to support what someone wants to prove.

    The diversity of political thought in this country cannot be properly gauged from a sample of 1500 people. Trends show a much clearer picture. And it ain’t a pretty picture they are painting for the democratic party.

  114. Huck opined:

    It’s a list that includes the likes of Krishna, Zoroaster, and more Greek and Roman gods than I care to list. All of which shouldn’t require me to elaborate on their historical relevance.

    And the response was:

    “Do we worship them as creator now?”

    Irrelevant. They worshipped them then. You might have noticed that this is a different point in time.

    “Did they split time…?”

    No, nor did anybody else.

    “Did they claim divinity to save us from our sins”

    Yep.

    “…crucified on a cross by Rome”

    No, nor executed by lethal injection by Texas…what’s your point here? People have been executed by the State since time began. It just happened the Romans had a particularly barbaric method.

    “…resurrected and ascended 500 witnesses?”

    Nonsense. One more fable – uncorroborated by independent witnesses, 2000 years ago. That wouldn’t meet the standard to prove that somebody farted.

    “Do we build hospitals in their name”

    We build hospitals in a lot of people’s names – again, what is your point?

    “…or did they bring Rome to its knees”

    So what? We brought Hitler to his knees. Again irrelevant. There have been coups-de-etat since time began. (And by the way, it was the Germanic tribes that brought Rome to its knees – not Christians)

    “…only to become the very origins of the church?”

    Everything has to start somewhere – even churches. Did you hear about the origin of the United States? That was a big deal too. By the way, they expressly banned any participation by religions.

    “Did we create printing presses in their name to pass the good news to modern man”

    The printing press was established to, well, print. There wasn’t anything else available at that time TO print except the bible because nobody except the church had enough money to fund the hand-copying that preceded the Gutenberg press.

    “..establish modern science”

    That’s a joke, right? Religion is the sworn enemy of science – always has been, always will. Religion is that which we cannot explain; as we become able to explain more and more, religion becomes less and less.

    “..or build some of the most beautiful structures in the world?”

    Yep, that’s what happens when you have unlimited funds. You can build monuments.

    “Are they influential enough to create organizations as Salvation Army or Habitat for Humanity today?”

    Good people will do good. It doesn’t require religion to do charity.

    “And this Mithras you speak? Were is it? Did it have any lasting influence? Where are its organizations and leadership?”

    It existed at another time. If history is any indication, one day in the future they will say the same thing about the religions of today.

    “Did it change the world, or inspire American Presidents?”

    I thought you didn’t like Barack Obama.

  115. I find Hucks,Tex’s and R’s comments re religion to be great examples of how e chatter cheats the parties of the conversation.
    Now whether PF #159 can be given that pass is debatable. I find #159 indicative of the kind of person who preaches tolerance but is viscerally intolerant of religion/faith and on this very board has reserved comments specifically against Christianity whilst being oh so PC polite towards the other Abrahamics. Comment 159 also falls flat on its face on many of its points.
    Religion is the sworn enemy of science
    Not really but I see why you and others say it. For good or bad people like the simple things in life and as animals have a positive response to that which makes them feel comfortable. Throughout human history science both genuine and outright quackery has flown in the face of a number of the faith based comfort zones and was therefore challenged by it. So freaking what? Two areas of science today ,one supposedly dear to you,are tied to faith,strengthened by it. Ecology and medicine.
    “Did it change the world, or inspire American Presidents?”
    Ignorant at best. Deny it all you want but religion changed and inspired you,Rutherford and Huck as well as Dawkins,Hitchens etc. Sure you front that you were violated but it is in you.
    Good people will do good. It doesn’t require religion to do charity.
    True but you seem to hide from the truth that people do a majority and by that I mean 99.99999% of things because of their faith/religion and the impact thereof.
    Yep, that’s what happens when you have unlimited funds. You can build monuments.
    What a stupid and petty thing to say. Also blatantly dishonest. I dare say if we applied that to government you’d be one of the first to pop a boner of Keynesian pride.

    Not your best work there doc,unless it was meant to show folks more of what you’re really all about.

  116. To Huck re Mithras position:
    Could you please clarify your position?! I’m lost as to whether you are suggesting humans created Christianity out of it or just noting similarities.
    Feel free to answer here,my spot or email.

  117. I think much of the modern comparisons pitting Jesus against Mithra (for example), and others stems from the Zeitgeist video/information. I’ve been through it extensively and also the site that debunks it.

    An honest assessment shows the Zeitgeist folks stretching facts and not revealing others. It is another case of distortion being put forward as genuine history. The conclusions are not well proven or based on all the available data. It begins with a fore-drawn conclusion and tries to build credibility for arriving there.

    This isn’t new or unusual. History has been under attack since its onset. People have been trying to discount Jesus since He showed on the scene. Ever since the Jews of His day killed Him plenty of effort has been made to deny and distort truth about Him and His message, some from the very church professing His deity.

  118. A little background Alfie. Pfesser is undoubtedly a poorly read student of history. Garden variety religious bigot and paranoid schizophrenic, I will assume. And from using punch lines of bad jokes as personal stories, to his feats of stratospheric achievement, to one story after another of familial dysfunction accompanied by strange fetish of the production of pornography, the “doctor” leaves a trail of untruths, half truths, Grannie quality conclusion, and apparently destruction. Enough about the personal traits.

    To demonstrate either the dishonesty and inadequacy of his knowledge, consider this statement:

    Religion is the sworn enemy of science – always has been, always will. Religion is that which we cannot explain; as we become able to explain more and more, religion becomes less and less.

    Three examples. I could pick hundreds.

    Nicolaus Copernicus – first person to formulate a comprehensive heliocentric cosmology; Occupation? Polish Monk and scientist.

    Gregor Mendel – Founder and Father of Genetics; Occupation – Austrian monk and biologist.

    Michael Faraday – contributed significantly to the fields of electromagnetism and electrochemistry, including establishing the basis for the magnetic field concept in physics. He discovered electromagnetic induction, diamagnetism and electrolysis. Occupation – English chemist & physicist; A deeply religious man, In a private lecture given before Prince Albert in 1849 Faraday expounded the wonders of magnetism and the influence that it appeared to exert on every particle in the universe: ‘What its great purpose is, seems to be looming in the distance before us….and I cannot doubt that a glorious discovery in natural knowledge, and of the wisdom and power of God in the creation, is awaiting our age’.

    Religion hostile toward science? Looks to me like it more the founder of science. If anyone needs dozens of other examples, I will happily provide them.

    I’ll generally answer Pfesser’s accusations, even attempt on occasion to reason which is generally futile with nihilists, but Pfesser’s take on “religion” is as easily discounted as Poolman theories of 9/11 – sheer lunacy. It is obvious that Pfesser is lashing out because there is a hole which he can not fill. That too is a common malady amongst nihilistic, militant atheists. They spend an incredible amount of time “passionately preaching” against something that supposedly doesn’t exist. It almost becomes a life’s mission, which is an indicator of clear delusion.

    I do like to mock Pfesser’s conjecture of Christian theocracy destroying America. In this way, I find Pfesser and Poolman similar in nature. The former hates God, the latter hates America. Both are fringe material and at any place but a blog, would generally be discarded as potentially damaging, but mostly irrelevant.

  119. “The only fool in the room is the one who thinks democrats are sitting pretty for 2012. I’m not making any predictions of GOP victories, but if democrats aren’t worried then they aren’t paying attention.”- Huck

    Who said that? It’s obviously going to be a battle. My poll quotes were directed toward Tex. He makes predictions. Lot’s of them. For instance …

    At this moment, I predict either Romney or Perry wouldn’t just beat Obama – they would crush him. Republicans will win the Senate. Both will win the entire South, Ohio, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania, possibly Michigan, Nevada and New Hampshire. Maybe even Maine and CO.

  120. PF’s right. Christianity is stupid and bad.

    Tigre, that comment was stupid and bad. Everything PF said is absolutely true. Tex (and you by your comment) refuse to acknowledge the simple fact that you cannot refute. Some of the key narratives in the Bible are NOT original. So this business of calling Islam a ripoff of other religions is a joke. There is precious new under the sun and that includes Christianity. Your comment, Tigre, shows an unwillingness to intelligently discuss the only premise on the table, namely the originality of Christian narratives. The premise, as you know damn well, was not about Christianity being stupid or bad.

    What I have difficulty doing, and would welcome an assist from PF or Huck, is accounting for this lasting influence of Christianity that Tex talks about. Is it the wildly successful implementation of a power play?

    Here’s a hypothetical …. if Christians truly thought their religion in danger of dying on the vine, would they suddenly start to resemble Muslims in their behavior? Would we start to see widespread violence?

  121. Alfie makes a good point …. I retract the following statement: “Everything PF said is absolutely true.” I should have said much of what PF said was absolutely true. My bad.

  122. Rutherford, and it is only my opinion but a well grounded one. I make this only as a statement of perception.

    Since the failure of Obama and your own circling the drain of that you hold most dear, your religion of politic now circling the drain, you have had to pick another subject, one you know far less about to cast dispersions at your opponents.

    And you are quickly reaching Pfesser, Poolman status in your conjecture, without any basis in fact, history or reason – only what you wish reality to be to cover the misery.

  123. While we’re on the subject, there is a huge difference between belief in God and adherence to any particular religion. I have said repeatedly, if I knew for a fact that there was no God, I’d be a mighty smart guy and I should be making a lot more money than I currently do. I have an opinion about God’s existence, particularly as it effects our day to day lives but it is only an opinion. As Tex loves to point out, I may very well meet Him one day and He may very well kick my ass for not giving Him ample credit.

    BUT organized religion is an entirely different animal, They’ve all got their book of stories that for some reason that befuddles me, must be taken literally by believers or some terrible fate befalls you. Aesop’s Fables all teach lessons on how to live. They are called fables. If the holy books of various religions were treated as books of fables with morals to teach us how to live, I doubt there would be so much debate. Unfortunately, Tex believes that a man put two of every species on the planet in a big boat. He believes in a talking snake. This is where I find his “belief” system arrogant. He dismisses so much of what other people believe as sheer lunacy but will accept the most preposterous stories within his own religion as fact.

    It just doesn’t make empirical sense. Tell me that there is a God and that men have tried to teach God’s way as they understand it, through fables and stories, and I have little left to argue about. Tell me that Jesus was a profound preacher and minister to the poor, weak and disenfranchised and I’d be stupid to argue the point. But tell me that Jesus’ mother didn’t have sexual intercourse like every other woman that ever lived and had a baby …. now we have a problem.

  124. “BIC, While the fools of the world like Rutherford and others here think Christianity is dying, and that is not even happening in America” – Tex

    Is it possible that they are not speaking of the organizations of Christianity dying, but rather the ideals. When politicians tout their Christian faith, but do little to empower it once they are in office, unwilling to embrace their responsibility to the elderly, to children, to the poor, to the sick, are they really Christians? When spokesman of the faith tell us that it’s cool to abandon your wife when she gets alzheimers (Robertson) or that God punishes cities (Hagy) that allow gay pride paradesby sending hurricanes their way. is itslander to call these men false prophets. Who would Jesus vote for?

  125. Rutherford your 166 is a good example of my earlier e chatter line. Thread time communication kills a hypothetical.
    For starters I for one don’t know if it is entirely right to claim Muslim behaviour ( if by behaviour we’re talking jihadism) as being tied to their faith dying on the vine.
    But let’s roll with the hypothetical in one logical direction.
    On one hand you have suicidal atrocities powered by the misguided belief of 72 virgins in Paradise. Now by definition Christians should make for awesome suicide bombers,sitting at the side of Jesus and all that but for the caveat that JC doesn’t dig the killing thing.
    Something else for the hypothetical is that as far as the Christian Church is concerned its most awe inspiring growth is occurring today,as it did back in the day,in places where said Christians face the promised persecution of following Jesus. So what I mean by offering that is that any withering on the vine of Christianity being caused by external forces would be seen as a good thing,a thing to be endured,not something to strap a bomb on and blow up a school bus for.
    I’ll only close with a line that I offered many before. Islam was clearly established to conquer,the thing is a faith broke out amongst the war. See many hospitals,aid programs,Red Crescent etc.

  126. Rutherford,do you think “the stories” are meant to present a concrete point or an idea?
    Also on a very loose connection to the actual post.
    What are the views of the thread residents on mandated vaccination for HPV?
    I’m be particularly curious for Hucks (libertarian academic) PF (physician) and Rutherfords (liberal with a daughter) response.
    FWIW in quid pro quo I don’t think HPV actually rises to the level of other immunizations and should not be mandated with an opt out but rather be a well presented informed opt in kind of thing.

  127. I was trying to pull up this ZB MSNBC clip from a different source, as some don’t like VT, but I couldn’t find it. I’m not certain how long it takes for the network to post them to their site. I think ZB’s wisdom and knowledge should be considered. Anyone who is this involved as an insider for as long as he has should have a perspective nearer to fact and we should listen. The 15 minute video is worth the watch, imo, whether you agree with VT’s assessment or not.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/09/19/brzezinski-opens-up-the-last-american-cowboy/

  128. “To Huck re Mithras position:
    Could you please clarify your position?! I’m lost as to whether you are suggesting humans created Christianity out of it or just noting similarities.”

    Just noting similarities in the stories. I’m not saying the founding of Christianity had anything to do with the cult of Mithras. Just supporting the assertion that the stories in the Bible had been heard before…lots of times. And Christians of the day were well aware of that, and used it to their advantage to spread the word and gain converts. Converting to a new god is a lot easier if your new god is similar to your old god.

    “I think much of the modern comparisons pitting Jesus against Mithra (for example), and others stems from the Zeitgeist video/information.”

    Mine comes from the most awesome lecturer to ever set foot in a classroom, and I can promise you that she did not get it from any information video on the Internet.

  129. “Is it possible that they are not speaking of the organizations of Christianity dying, but rather the ideals.”

    I am going to assume that I am being included in “others around here,” but I am at a loss as to why. Because I have never ever claimed that the institutions or organizations of Christianity are dying here or anywhere else. And I would not say that of Christian ideals, either.

    Just because I do not follow that faith does not mean I don’t recognize that a whole lot of people do…and will continue to do so for long after I have turned to dust.

    I have no problems with Christianity or any other faith. What I have problems with are people of faith who walk around thinking that their faith makes them better than other people who don’t share their beliefs. That would include Christians, Muslims, atheists, or any other belief system.

  130. Is it possible that they are not speaking of the organizations of Christianity dying, but rather the ideals.

    Being you’re new, I’ll talk civil and reasonable, taking Alfie’s advice. 🙂

    I think you have it backwards. What has died or is dying in America are what the media refer to as ‘mainline churches’, who many years ago adopted a liberation or liberal theology. Most are Protestant and would include branches of Methodists, Episcopalians, Lutherans, and Presbyterians amongst others. Their membership has waned dramatically, and the only real influence they now hold are the properties themselves. Much of the membership years ago broke away, many keeping the denominational name in some capacity.

    The only place this doesn’t hold true is black liberation theology, which has helped lead to racial separation, white hate, rampant poverty in the black community, and hopelessness. Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama’s mentor, would be a prime example, and in conjunction with the Great Society has created chaos, destroying most of the black community in its wake. Whether for good or evil intent is left to the reader, but there is no doubt black liberation theology is evil, an anathema to sound Christian doctrine, and destructive for anyone involved.

    When politicians tout their Christian faith, but do little to empower it once they are in office, unwilling to embrace their responsibility to the elderly, to children, to the poor, to the sick, are they really Christians?

    You make the mistake of substituting Caesar for Christ as designated caretaker and Good Samaritan. There is no where found in the Bible that government should be provided as substitute for personal and communal charity. A relationship with Christ is personal and not under the dictates of established government in any way. Your conclusion is in fact, one of the two major reasons our founders broke away from Church of England – something liberals are trending dangerously close to establishing under the guise of “social justice.”

  131. Thor,

    One last thing. Christian ideals can not die, anymore than God can die. They are eternal. Whether man chooses to live by those ideals is a matter of free will – a necessary requirement of true love.

  132. I have no problems with Christianity or any other faith. What I have problems with are people of faith who walk around thinking that their faith makes them better than other people who don’t share their beliefs.

    If my statements have led you to the conclusion Huck that because of my faith, I think I’m better than you, let me correct that misperception now. My shortcomings are infinite….

    I neither think I am better or worse.

    I simply acknowledge who the Creator is, the sacrifice He made for all accounts, and the acknowledgment I believe without that sacrifice, there is no other way to eternal life, and that there is but One Truth.

    If that were not true, one death would not be required by all of us. I am equally deserving of any punishment that would be meted out, where it not for the sacrifice.

  133. Alfie, in answer to your questions:

    Rutherford,do you think “the stories” are meant to present a concrete point or an idea?

    If by concrete point, you mean taken literally, no. I think the stories are meant to present an idea. Or at least, I believe that is how they should be interpreted. I can’t get into the writer’s brains.

    What are the views of the thread residents on mandated vaccination for HPV?

    I would agree that HPV does not rise to the level of measles or polio. I think the vaccine should be recommended to all parents of young girls. I certainly would have no problem with my daughter getting the shot.

    With that said, I’d need to know more about how HPV is spread, potential for epidemic, etc. before I’d be 100% comfortable saying it should not be mandated. My current opinion is based on limited understanding of the medical specifics.

  134. Just to be clear in case there was some misunderstanding … my hypothetical did not assume Christianity is dying. On the contrary, I agree with Huck that it will be here long after I am gone. My hypothetical was a pure “what if”.

  135. Alfie,

    The only time I believe a vaccination should be “mandated” is when it communicable by normal means and a threat to the general population.

    Since HPV 99.9 times out of 100 and poses little or no threat to those not sexually active, the answer would be no.

    On the other hand, small pox, polio, DTaP etc…that either had or now have immediate threat to the general population and are highly communicable? Absolutely, they should be mandated.

  136. Tex 179… let’s be fair zip codes have a lot to do with it too. Take the Boston priest scandal,which has certainly spread to other areas,but that had a very real impact on the church in this area.Thats not to say a ton of Catholics are not still trying to do good,be faithful and hold positive views on their church and the Church. The faith is there even when the humans fail miserably.

    @ R thanks for the answer,please use CDC if/when you research it. AAP,Merck and the media are just too f@#%ed up on the subject.
    Also by no means does my focus on three mean I lack curiosity from the rest of the crew.

  137. Alfie, I’m not sure I entirely understand your disagreement.

    Tex 179… let’s be fair zip codes have a lot to do with it too. Take the Boston priest scandal,which has certainly spread to other areas,but that had a very real impact on the church in this area.

    Are you saying people physically moved, or are you saying scandals in the church rocked the community? Scandals have been in the church since the beginning of the church and will be with the church until the end of the age. It’s the price of admitting fallible people, who without every church would sit empty.

    In fact, I have always contended a church far easier for scandal to erupt than a secular entity; the reason being churches provide solace to both the physically sick, the troubled, the down and out, and the mentally infirmed.

    The Catholic Church priest scandal was more the exception than the rule. Did it damage the church? Absolutely – the cover up as bad as the crime. But did it destroy the message of Christ? Absolutely not, and in fact, the Bible makes it clear the powers of the church will answer to an even higher standard.

  138. “Tigre, that comment was stupid and bad. Everything PF said is absolutely true. Tex (and you by your comment) refuse to acknowledge the simple fact that you cannot refute.”

    That Christianity is stupid and bad? From what I can tell, that’s been his point all along. So act all put out if you want, but show me where his mocking or commentary represents something different. I frankly don’t give a shit if he’s right other than having to suffer through the discussion. I don’t know what childhood trauma you’re struggling with that causes you to feel so threatened, true or not all I see is your collective mocking and dislike of religion, not the historical/political component you claim is the object of the discussion.

    Now what is it you’re asking me to “acknowledge?”

  139. Tex I’m not in disagreement with you, I actually offered that in addition to the bulk of your comment @ 179.
    See I’m Church far more than church. Church being the ideals,teachings,faith. church being what all too often man corrupts.
    Hope that makes it a little clearer. I’m major league multi-tasking right now,probably shouldn’t especially seeing as this is a day off from work.

  140. I actually think the HPV vaccine is dangerous – not so vaccine itself, but the perception apparently it provides to a large number of people.

    The vaccine is designed only for certain serotypes of HPV (16 and 18), and could leave the false impression that it is a prevention of cervical cancer, which it is not.

    If it relegates PAP smears to an afterthought for women who have received the vaccine, the perception alone could kill far more women than the vaccine actually saves from preventing from the contraction of HPV. And I have a pretty well founded hunch that is exactly what is going to happen.

    As someone who gave serious thought to the field of Immunology before saying bye bye to medical school, with Immunology as my favorite biology class, I predict we will soon be discovering there are far more autoimmune diseases that we currently believe.

  141. Without Church, church becomes nothing more than a social gathering and (generally) pretty building.

    I believe the reasons many churches with a small ‘c’ are failing are pretty simple: (1) The cater to the culture with emphasis on membership and youth; (2) They nibble around the edges of truth never getting to The Truth; (3) They bend theology to make scripture malleable; (4) Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely – either too few are given too much responsibility or politics substitutes for teaching; (5) many refuse to live within their means, confusing a church with ‘the church’ which meets here; (6) faith without works is dead and many remain comfortably numb within their own confines; and most importantly (7) churches have become everything to everyone, forgetting to serve the highest purpose – a place of worship.

  142. Mine comes from the most awesome lecturer to ever set foot in a classroom, and I can promise you that she did not get it from any information video on the Internet.

    You sound enthralled with this gifted messenger. Does she claim Jesus did not exist, or does her theory instead question His deity?

  143. Here’s a hypothetical …. if Christians truly thought their religion in danger of dying on the vine, would they suddenly start to resemble Muslims in their behavior? Would we start to see widespread violence?

    No need for a hypothetical. You need only examine the history of the early church and the persecution of it by Rome.

  144. The original Christian church was a social gathering. They met in homes. The book of Acts lays it out and the rest of the new testament confirms this. They were first called “the way”. They were an extremely radical group that challenged all the existing institutions of man.

    The church buildings of the day were dedicated to various gods and there was also the Jewish temple, where Jesus spoke and spent time. Before His sacrifice, it was considered God’s dwelling place while visiting creation – his earthly temple. Jesus also raised much controversy in the temple and was finally killed by the keepers of the temple, who politically forced the Romans to do the deed.

    The Jews were persistent in trying to destroy the church and even banded with the Romans to persecute them. Damn Truthers! 😉 Then the government merged with “the church”, mixing pagan rituals with religious. We have had man’s version of truth serum since.

    God resides in His people, as we are also considered living temples. The true church represents the bride of Christ. It is anxiously awaiting His physical return. The bride is to be living as virgins in a wicked world. He is the head, we are His body. As long as we have the mind of Christ, we operate as His body. The mind directs. (“My sheep hear my voice”) The Holy Spirit is the flux. Come Holy Spirit!

  145. “Here’s a hypothetical …. if Christians truly thought their religion in danger of dying on the vine, would they suddenly start to resemble Muslims in their behavior? Would we start to see widespread violence?

    No need for a hypothetical. You need only examine the history of the early church and the persecution of it by Rome.”

    While that is certainly a valid point, I would add that the Crusades offer an alternative perspective. The Pope said Christianity was being threatened and the reaction was pretty violent.

    “You sound enthralled with this gifted messenger. Does she claim Jesus did not exist, or does her theory instead question His deity?”

    She tells us that she is a Christian but that she makes a conscious effort to keep her beliefs out of our History lessons. The lessons are about what the people of the time believed. I greatly respect that. When we had discussions on contradictions, she would tell us that, while things may not make logical sense, they make theological sense and remind us that we need to focus more on the belief of the day and not apply our modern thought to it.

  146. I would add that the Crusades offer an alternative perspective.
    I dare say it could be used easily for both sides of the stated hypothetical as well as the side discussion regards Church and church.

  147. ““Here’s a hypothetical …. if Christians truly thought their religion in danger of dying on the vine, would they suddenly start to resemble Muslims in their behavior? Would we start to see widespread violence?”

    It’s worth pointing out that there are many modern cases of Christian persecution on a micro level and the reaction by Christians suffering it or collectively has not been at all violent in any of them I am aware of.

    Value systems have a lot to do with the ways people react to things. And those are in relatively constant flux.

  148. While that is certainly a valid point, I would add that the Crusades offer an alternative perspective. The Pope said Christianity was being threatened and the reaction was pretty violent.

    Huck I would take that one step further. BiW suggests that past is prologue (and as you pointed out, ignores those parts of the past that contradict his thesis). But I am talking about a modern hypothetical. Not how Christians behaved hundreds of years ago.

    Abortion clinic bombers do what they do in the name of their faith. They believe violence solves the problem. This is just one example. Who is to say if modern day Christians really came up against it, they might not turn violent? It’s a matter of preserving what they hold dear.

    With that said, I do understand that modern radical Muslims have “incentives” that modern Christians don’t (like the bunch of virgins).

  149. It’s worth pointing out that there are many modern cases of Christian persecution on a micro level and the reaction by Christians suffering it or collectively has not been at all violent in any of them I am aware of.

    Valid point Huck … would Coptic Christians be among those? I know they were a pet group of Elric back in the day.

  150. I actually woke up late for work, this morning.

    WTF?

    I was 40 minutes late. I must have turned my alarm off.

    I have never, ever been late for any job in my life because of sleeping in. And I have pulled all nighters etc.

    Hell, I may even be that guy that sneaks out early every blue moon.

    But the Rabbit aint late.

    I pride myself on being on time. I’m a firm believer that showing up on time is half the battle in life.

    I am disgusted with myself. Disgusted!

    No one even said anything. I keep the lowest profile on staff and have never had one problem, plus my room was covered. Yet, I still took it upon myself to turn myself in to the front office.

    I would have been cool with my boss having Roman soldiers flog me. And I mean that.

    My wife seems to be enjoying it all. The Time Nazi himself was late for work.

  151. Huck, it sounds like she is a good history instructor. History taught in context from factual references is ideal. It sounds as if her personal bias is set aside.

    Incentive? Plenty.

  152. This may be the most disingenuous of many disingenuous comments I read on this board. It’s so vacuous it deserves to be mocked.

    Consider:

    Abortion clinic bombers do what they do in the name of their faith. They believe violence solves the problem. This is just one example. Who is to say if modern day Christians really came up against it, they might not turn violent? It’s a matter of preserving what they hold dear.

    I can think of two instances of that in my lifetime. Two. And one of them was convicted of capital punishment by the chances good mostly Christian jury.

    So I pose the hypothetical in return. If Christians and Abrahamic faiths removed from the confines of America, and men such as Rutherford and Pfesser were all that remained, would America more closely resemble Mao Tse Tung and Communist China, Pol Pot and Cambodia, Joseph Stalin and the Soviet Union, or Hitler and Nazi Germany?

    We need not revert back 800 years to determine what godless countries of the 20th century looked like.

  153. “We need not revert back 800 years to determine what godless countries of the 20th century looked like.”-Tex

    Got that right.

    Human are violent.

    Humans that attempt to reorganize themselves around atheism have proven to be exponentially worse. Every damn one of them, too, i may add.

    During the onset of the Crusades, the global population was around 265 million.

    I wonder if the 20th century atheist regimes collectively killed MORE people then inhabited ALL OF PLANET EARTH at the time of the 1st Crusade?

    I also argue that every violent movement that claimed to be Christian in nature is followed by an ultimately more successful Christian movement that bravely resists such shit.

    Take the Spanish Empire for example. It was the brave priests of the Catholic Church that stood up against the abuse of natives.

    Read the writing of Bartolomé de las Casas.

    Now, what I find interesting is the following. When violent people historically use Christianity as a source of legitimacy, there always exists other incentives for the behavior in the first place. Power, politics, money.

    Yet, the Christian movements that stood up to these violent movements always had everything to lose. Only the good word seems to motivate these people.

    I guess my point is, not only is citing Christian violence from a thousand years ago lame because…..it was a 1000 years ago…..it was Christian movements that saved the day back then to boot!

    Since violent people seem to be a historical constant anyways, thank God for a Christian presence through out the last 20 centuries!

  154. Irony alert:

    Rutherford has brought up the whole 2 abortion doc murders 34 times.

    He has never once wrote a blog or really ever mentions the daily violence that takes place in urban welfare reservation once.

    Dead niggas don’t mean shit to a Liberal.

  155. “I wonder if the 20th century atheist regimes collectively killed MORE people then inhabited ALL OF PLANET EARTH at the time of the 1st Crusade?”

    My guess would be that they did. But they also had the means to do so. Globalization and industrialism has done much to aid in man’s killing power.

    Just think what might have happened if the Crusaders had F-16s, cluster-bombs, and Supercarriers to park off the coast of the Holy Land.

    It would be interesting to know the answer to your question using percentages instead of the actual numbers.

  156. I took a look at the thing and I have to say I don’t like it. I hate any Beltway math that does the “over ten years…” thing. This thing is a dog in that the savings are mostly one time military items for the most part that are questionable in actually coming to fruition.
    The spending seems like a dog too. Noble enough ideas but the amounts actually seem to be like two drunks pissing on an eight alarm fire.

  157. Gorilla and Alfie,

    The biggest problem I have with Obama’s entire approach to everything is that he never once addresses the real problem.

    It’s called spending. The One always works off the premise that the size of government is set in stone and can not be adjusted.

    Forget the taxpayers for a moment Barack – let’s start talking about eliminating useless D.C. Depts., and we can start with the entire elimination of the Dept. of Education.

  158. Want a good laugh at liberal expense? Even meat head Rutherford has undoubtedly remained skeptical of Attack Watch. I can always tell when Rutherford is mortified of the Progressive direction, because I hear the crickets chirping.

    At least I thought it was funny. I wanted to know who the designer was that croaked out the design of AW.

    The author of the emails directing sinister Attack Watch.com? 😆

    http://taylormarsh.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/jim_messina.jpg?781ba0

    Looks like bottom of the Obama’s pledge class. This regime has gotten to crawling so low, you can’t help but laugh. I almost feel guilty for piling on.

  159. BRAG ALERT! BRAG ALERT!

    Tex’s oldest daughter aced her first medical school Gross Anatomy Test. Actually, her first test period. A frickin 100. Unbelievable. Nobody aces Gross Anatomy medical school tests. At least not in my medical school they didn’t. Most of us were praying for a 70 to pass.

    I’m beginning to suspect I didn’t father this kid. I couldn’t have. Who knew my greatest accomplishment in life was getting laid? One brilliant torpedo out of 300MM and I hit the lotto! As close as I will ever get to winning the lottery.

  160. Tell me you are going to support Israel because they are our ally…fine.

    Tell me you are going to support Israel because they are surrounded by enemies and could use a helping hand…fine.

    Tell me you are going to support Israel because they do a lot for us….fine.

    I don’t like those reasons but I can see their basis.

    But tell me you are going to support Israel because you have “a clear directive” as part of your faith to do so? No. He may as well have said “Because God told me to.”

  161. “Just think what might have happened if the Crusaders had F-16s, cluster-bombs, and Supercarriers to park off the coast of the Holy Land.”-Hucking

    I’m guessing Saladin wouldn’t have gone down in history as such a victorious military genius….

  162. But tell me you are going to support Israel because you have “a clear directive” as part of your faith to do so? No. He may as well have said “Because God told me to.”

    Huck, as a pseudo friend on Rutherford’s blog…I know you think me at least partially crazy. But…God did tell Rick Perry to. Let me explain.

    There are millions of Christians that know Rick Perry to be right. Oh, I admit there are many practical reasons to support Israel too which I have listed here many a time, but a real Christianity will always support Israeli Jews – religious or secular is irrelevant. It is our foundation. So in fairness, you should never cast a vote for anybody professing themselves to be a Christian that doesn’t say as much, because either they are lying about being a Christian and not to be trusted, or they have no understanding of the faith they profess, or they will support Israel because of covenant with Elohim and Abram as they are commanded to. None of us think Israel perfect – not by a long shot. But we understand Israel is under protection of the One True God. Genesis 12:2-3 explains as much.

    Contrary to what some radical fringe like Poolman attempts to contradict, that is the Gospel Truth…

  163. “But tell me you are going to support Israel because you have “a clear directive” as part of your faith to do so? No. He may as well have said “Because God told me to.”-Hucking

    As somebody who is very pro-Israel, I think that is more then a fair criticism.

    I can see Perry saying he has a Christian duty to protect an ally, particularly a free and legitimate democracy surrounded by violent, untrustworthy and culturally unstable people.

    .

    But, if Perry claims he has a religious duty to protect Israel because of a theological reason that, at the very least, I don’t fully understand, I take issue with that.

    The world is complicated enough, I shouldn’t have to navigate my way through complex theology to understand our foreign policy.

    Besides, I certainly have never heard the priest talk about the religious value of the existence of Israel on Sunday morning.

    The Evangelicals lose me on the Israel thing.

    I have to admit, it might be a miracle that not only have the Jews managed to survive, but that they have achieved statehood.

    So, I see where they are coming from. To me, it DOES look like God’s work.

    And that’s exactly what I don’t understand. If the existence of Israel is God’s work, God doesn’t all of a sudden need American military power to fulfill prophecy.

    Look at the direction America is going in, we need God!

    This all beside the point. Perry should be defending Israel on moral grounds and for the security of America. If it happens to coincide with his religious beliefs, he should cork it if he wants to run for president.

  164. BiW, if you happen by here soon I have a question. Out of respect for the loss of your friend Rosetta, I’m asking you here because over at your place I’ll only get some dumbass comment from the likes of AgileDog and I don’t want to sully your beautiful tribute with a contaminated comment thread.

    The question is …. did you ever meet Rosetta in “real life”? Maybe I missed it in your tribute but I didn’t notice it. I’m only asking because I never met HippieProfessor but his death effected me profoundly and put me in a funk for days followed by reflection for several weeks thereafter. And I was struck by how this impersonal venue can still breed respect and admiration that makes a loss feel just as real as if the person was physically in your life.

    In any case, I’m sorry about the loss of your friend. The few times I dared enter The Hostages, I don’t recall Rosetta’s postings although I do remember the name.

  165. Tex, why is the importance of Israel to some Christians such a new thing?

    As far as I understand, this goes back only a few decades? Am I wrong?

    Are you trying to say that being pro-Israeli is prerequisite to being a a proper Christian?

    Even the Jews themselves were split on the religious implications of Israeli statehood. i think I remember reading that the early Zionists caught a lot of flak from Orthodox Jews, of all people: The argument ultimately coming down to a question of free will vs. determinism.

    If it was even theologically tricky for Jews hiding from Russian pogroms during the days Theodor Herzl, how can we expect this one to be no brainer for Christians today?

  166. There is no biblical mandate to support the secular nation of Israel. Period. That is pure deception and a widely held false belief. The present nation of Israel isn’t even operating from a legal charter. Most of the “Jews” are not part of the original 12 tribes that came from Jacob whose brother was Esau whose father was Isaac who came from Abraham who also fathered Ishmael.

    Lies and damn lies.

  167. He has never once wrote a blog or really ever mentions the daily violence that takes place in urban welfare reservation once.

    Sounds to me Rabbit like you’re moving the goal posts. What was running through my head was, could there be any factors that might make modern Christians behave like modern radical Muslims. Several folks on this board have done a reasonable job of convincing me that the answer is no.

    What I don’t think has been adequately delved into (putting aside bigoted rhetoric) is why radicalism has taken hold in Islam while Christianity does remain for the most part peaceful. I don’t buy that it is the “nature” of the two religions. So a part of that thought process is to conjecture could there be any factors that could radicalize Christianity?

    Of course, the very question got everyone’s nose out of joint. Oh well.

    As a footnote Rabbit, Sweden has a boatload of self professed atheists. Man is that country evil and dangerous!

  168. R, what do you think about this new tax thing from Obama? Why and will it really create more jobs?

    Maybe I don’t get it, but the “tax thing” is not about creating jobs. It is about paying for the stimulus that might hopefully create jobs.

    Let’s be frank. The new stimulus will barely move the needle on unemployment. From everyone I’ve read and watched, this is a political move to define the difference between Obama and the Republicans.

    My question to you G is this. All you guys are real adamant about the rich getting to keep all their money. Fine. Should our economic recovery be won on the backs of the middle class? Are we really saying that the better way to bring in revenue is to shortchange Medicare rather than ask millionaires to pony up what they ponied up in the Clinton era?

  169. Well, according mitochondrial (spelling) DNA it appears the Jews are, in fact, descendants of the original tribes.

    Even white looking European Jews and Jews that never left Jerusalem are related.

  170. Religious-based foreign policy?

    Huck please wake up my friend. This is THE reason evangelical Christians support Israel. It has nothing to do with any real respect for them. It has to do with the fulfillment of religious prophecy. It’s disgusting really.

  171. I’m sure when Obama opposes the establishment of a Palestinian state at the UN this week, I’ll hear crickets from this board.

    We all know how Obama hates Israel. 🙄

  172. Rutherford, the Swedish political system doesn’t rest on the tenants atheism.

    Aren’t they still technically a Lutheran monarchy?

    Having lived in a Nordic country, I bet most Swedes are not atheist.

    I’m not trying to say atheists are evil.

    I am saying that governments who go out of there way to proclaim atheism usually are.

  173. What’s so disgusting Rabbit is that from what I understand it is the belief of evangelicals that Israel must be preserved as the site of the eventual second coming. As part of that second coming, and who will and will not be saved …. Jews get the short end. They must convert to Christian. So to summarize, to the evangelical Christian, Jews are simply minding the store until Jesus comes back, after which time, they will be dispensable.

    Anyone who would like to fill in the blanks, feel free to do so.

  174. So a part of that thought process is to conjecture could there be any factors that could radicalize Christianity?

    These seem radical: That killer in Norway called himself Christian. The KKK considers themselves Christian. The ones protesting gays at funerals call themselves Christian. Don’t the mormons consider themselves Christian, even the Warren Jeffs style sects? Dick Cheney and other gangsters call themself Christian. Islamophobes think they’re Christian.

    Jesus was radical but nonviolent. He was radical in the way he treated women and children in a man’s society. He showed compassion for the human condition. Words are His weapons. His anger and criticism was directed against injustice, bankers, and religious folk.

  175. Anyone who would like to fill in the blanks, feel free to do so.

    It actually claims a new Jerusalem will land there, after a major earthquake splits the present site in two. Google “New Jerusalem” and get a plethora of visions and prophecy from all perspectives.

    The Bible claims 144K from the original 12 tribes will be saved. Then there is probably as many interpretations as to what that means. These would have to recognize Jesus as the Messiah that Jews claim hasn’t been here yet.

  176. “When politicians tout their Christian faith, but do little to empower it once they are in office, unwilling to embrace their responsibility to the elderly, to children, to the poor, to the sick, are they really Christians?” – Thor

    “You make the mistake of substituting Caesar for Christ as designated caretaker and Good Samaritan. There is no where found in the Bible that government should be provided as substitute for personal and communal charity” – Tex

    I wasn’t arguing that as Christian elected officials, they should be required to follow that agenda, I was stating that as Christian elected officials it would be in their nature to follow that agenda.
    BTW, congrats on your daughter acing her exam.

  177. “The original Christian church was a social gathering. They met in homes. The book of Acts lays it out and the rest of the new testament confirms this. They were first called “the way”. They were an extremely radical group that challenged all the existing institutions of man.” – poolman

    I never knew they were called, “The Way” This is very interesting, considering that the Tao Te Ching, written 500 years before the birth of Jesus, is also known as “The Way”.

  178. R noted:
    “As Tex loves to point out, I may very well meet Him one day and He may very well kick my ass for not giving Him ample credit.”

    Bertrand Russell was asked this very question: What if you’re wrong and there IS a god and you face him someday? What would you say?

    “Not enough evidence, God. Not enough evidence.”

    Why would a god make man, require him to acknowledge God’s existence or suffer a terrible fate, give him an inquisitive mind and then not show any evidence that He exists, when all he would have to do is show himself and end the stupid game-playing? Is this what your god does; play mind games just for fun, like a cat playing with a mouse, all the while with one player playing for the penultimate high stakes?

    Lunacy, sheer lunacy.

  179. R, reading PF 238, I’ve lost the reason behind your having berated me. Oh well.

    FWIW, I share Huck and Rabbitts thoughts on Perry’s comments. I would like to hear him elaborate.

    Tex, what could make a father prouder? Congrats.

  180. PF, the reason there is no “winning” this argument is that you are ascribing human traits to God. That’s a dead end road. As Tex has noted time and time again, God shows Himself in all the wonders that surround us. The problem I have is I think there are adequate alternative explanations for those wonders. But there I have no problem agreeing to disagree.

    Where I find the true problem with most religious belief is this notion of an intervening God, a God that helps us with our problems. Here, I see so much empirical evidence that if such a God existed, He is truly a bastard (no sacrilege intended). There is SO MUCH human suffering on this Earth, how could anyone believe in a benevolent intervening God? What good was Christ’s sacrifice if the human race still suffers?

    Christians are able to maintain this bizarre balance of an intervening God (influenced through prayer) and “God gave us free will’. I just don’t get it.

  181. Tigre, I didn’t address you properly in my original scold. I understand your irritation with PF’s approach (even though he kinda tickles me with it, I must admit). What I was really “berating” you about was your simplifying PF’s comment with a dismissive “religion is bad”. It goes deeper than that and you know it.

    What I find fascinating is how all of us, well educated men and women, see this God thing so differently.

  182. Pfesser, interesting you would quote Bertrand Russell. Without knowing you better, you do indeed remind me of him from what I have read from the both of you – although, I’m not sure he was quite as militant. Russell’s daughter thought that “he was by temperament a profoundly religious man, the sort of passionate moralist who would have been a saint in a more believing age.” So I guess he’s got you beat in that regard.

    Russell’s own granddaughter called Russell the most miserable man on earth, and she always felt because of his four failed marriages, numerous extramarital affairs, push for “open marriage”, and strained relationship with family members, he never found happiness. I need to find that quote from her. Russell’s relationship with his daughter and her husband was troubled by their embrace of Christianity. I’m seeing a pattern here.

    I’m not sure that is a man I would find myself admiring much or bothering to quote. In fact, Russell’s only real claim to fame other than being good at mathematics, seems to be the philosophical quotes attributed to why he was an agnostic, more hip to the fringe than really admirable.

  183. Anyone who would like to fill in the blanks, feel free to do so.

    Why? You didn’t get anything right to fill in. I can only surmise now, that you are worst kind of liar, because I’ve corrected you so many times again and again, you can’t be that stupid.

  184. Here, I see so much empirical evidence that if such a God existed

    This is the quote that makes me chuckle the most that Rutherford and his ilk use time and again.

    I picture you Rutherford as walking into Cowboy Stadium, standing in the middle of the LoneStar, and saying, “I see no evidence of a football team.”

    🙂

  185. R, you give him enirely too much credit. I am not a religious man by any stretch. Which is why I find both the snarky tone and content of what PF says intellectualy offensive. And It’s “Christianity” that’s stupid and bad; not just “religion” (although belief in God seems to be some kind of sore spot for you guys. If there’s something deeper, I believe you’re the one supplying it — after the fact. In other words, my deliberate dismissiveness was well placed.

    With all that said, the conversation is decent in spite of the grenbades.

  186. Rutherford:
    “PF, the reason there is no “winning” this argument is that you are ascribing human traits to God…God shows Himself in all the wonders that surround us”

    Not so. Gods have the temperament of petulant three year-olds – except for Buddha, whom I think is pretty cool. They are ascribed all the worst elements of humanity: pride (Worship Me!), rage (I’m gonna smite your ass – just for pissing against a wall!), insecurity (Thou shalt have no other gods before me), brutality (Check out Moses-the-holy-man’s exploits.)

    It all fails the simplest question of a five-year-old. A little thought experiment: can your god make a rock so heavy he can’t lift it?

    It’s all just silly. What I find amazing is that grown men buy that crap.

    As for your question, R, about why Christianity has lasted, it’s pretty simple. It is a very effective method to consolidate power and profit (HT to Paine) and does so by exploiting man’s innate superstition. If it wasn’t done by using the Christian myth, it would be a different one. Two human characteristics are constant: greed and a lust for power. These provide a strong incentive and religion an easy path. There you have it.

  187. I wasn’t arguing that as Christian elected officials, they should be required to follow that agenda, I was stating that as Christian elected officials it would be in their nature to follow that agenda.

    There’s oodles of empirical evidence in survey after survey that Christians, more specifically Evangelical Protestants and Catholics, are the most charitable people on earth – from gifts to deeds. Habitat for Humanity, Catholic Relief Services, Salvation Army, Southern Baptist Relief Center, John 3:16 Missions, MAP international, Billy Graham Evangelical Association, Samaritan’s Purse, Compassion International, countless public hospitals, and the list goes on.

    So I ask you, how would you know using the “Christian example” that they aren’t following the nature of Christ in their own personal mission?

    Like I said, we’ve got some real critics on the board. And yet, when I hold up our works against their works, our deeds against their deeds, our mission vs. their mission, our personal charity vs. their personal charity, or lack of one, well…it’s kind of a moot argument.

    Because frankly, I see no evidence of atheistic or agnostic works and charity, other than allowing America’s Caesar to take and divvy as he deems. And I don’t find much charity or love in that.

  188. Two human characteristics are constant: greed and a lust for power.

    Agreed. And Jesus never demonstrated either. So by your definition, Jesus was beyond mortal man. You’re getting warmer.

    It all fails the simplest question of a five-year-old. A little thought experiment: can your god make a rock so heavy he can’t lift it?

    By defining omnipotence as requiring one to have the ability to fail, atheists have defined omnipotence as being impossible. Therefore, there’s another word we can strike from the dictionary.

  189. Thank you Tigre, Thor and Rutherford. My daughters are the apple of my eye, and really my only remaining mission in life (besides conversation of the R.L. heathens 😈 ). I’m sorry to brag, but its the only thing that really excites me anymore. My kids joy brings me my greatest joy – their momma too.

    Nothing brings a parent more delight than to watch their children grow and become good adults. At least that has been my experience.

    As one of the older farts on the board and its biggest mouth, its the one sure piece of advice I could offer to any of you with younger children.

    Enjoy them – at the end, they will be the only thing you can take with you.

  190. Alfie: Comment #173

    “What are the views of the thread residents on mandated vaccination for HPV?”

    Rutherford: Comment #183

    “My current opinion is based on limited understanding of the medical specifics.”

    I’m a little late to the topic but for what it’s worth:
    I think one’s view should be based on knowledge of the disease. As Rutherford indicated there are many parents who are not even aware of HPV and once you tie it to sexual behavior there will be those who don’t wish to be more informed.

    I first would like to clarify my position in regard to vaccinations. I am not a proponent of the current vaccination program. That is not to say I am against vaccinations but I do believe in moderation. The current program of 32 vaccinations before a baby is six months old is carrying the program to extreme. A baby’s immune system has received an overload and is in full alert therefore leading to the inability to handle the normal germs and viruses that permeate it’s environment. Maybe the cause of many autoimmune diseases?

    Now let’s go back to the subject of HPV. Since the vaccine is for girl’s 12 -25 (active sexual years with multiple partners we assume), I think the girls should be informed of the disease and it’s consequences and the decision should be as much theirs as their parents.

    But here is where I have a problem. This is a sexually transmitted disease. It takes two to tango. Apparently the boy is the transmitter between girls. If this vaccine is so effective why is it not recommended for boys?

    I have three daughters. My approach was at age 13 to establish them with a Gyn/OB doctor who I respected. They were well aware of my feelings on sexual promiscuity but as we all know children do not always follow their parents beliefs. I guess if they were 13 today I would have them make the decision to have the HPV vaccine in consultation with their doctor. I certainly would not mandate nor do I think the government should as this is an adult vaccination and should be handled the same as the Flu vaccine, recommended not mandatory.

  191. Tex
    Sending congratulations to your daughter on her “100” gross anatomy. She should get an award for that!
    You can take a wee bit of credit since that “Y’ gene came from you 😉

  192. re: omnipotent. Has nothing to do with whose definition one accepts. (red herring) Has to do with THE definition – the one accepted by everybody. The best description I have seen is an old one:

    Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? ~ Epicurus

  193. Tex, sorry you consider me a liar. I don’t recall any explanation you’ve ever given that refutes that there is a brand of Christianity interested in Israel for its role in the final days, and not for any current love of Israelis or Jews per se.

    I think I’ve asked you this before back in the days before PF came on the scene but please answer again:

    Do Jews go to heaven? They don’t accept Christ as their savior. So where does that leave them? And when Christ returns, will Jews be saved without having to convert?

  194. Question for Poolman:
    A couple of times in this thread you’ve remarked about Jews and their relation to Christ’s death. I hate to ask this but is one of the bees up your butt about Israel that you consider Jews “Christ-killers”?

    I sure hope not because that is the oldest form of rank antisemitism there is. Your thoughts?

  195. Thank you Raji. I’ll take that wee bit of credit, because without it, my ego would be terminally bruised. However, Rutherford and his eternal stopped clock got this one right. I found out 10 years into my marriage, my wife was supposedly the stupendous student too and so humble, I never even knew it until her mother died and I found all these academic awards for Mrs. Tex while handling the estate buried in a closet. It’s a humbling experience to finally determine that you are indeed the flunky of the family.

    In the battle of genes, mom won out and that’s a good thing. Daughter #1 got my blue eyes and stiff necked nature – that’s about it.

    Daughter #2, the less “disciplined”, far more “anti-authoritarian” drew short straw and became more Taylor. My right palm still bears the scar tissue of my youngest daughter’s little round tush being smacked as proof. There was just enough of mom to offset the deficiencies, so Daughter #2 is also doing great.

    ———

    There is some push for boys to receive the HPV vaccine, as the virus generally transmitted through skin to skin contact. My wife and I chose not to and will leave that up to our daughters, now both adults.

    Obviously, my interest in Immunology makes me a huge proponent of vaccines – one of life’s modern miracles.

    However, I agree with you. I also am fearful of mass exposure to “antigen”, and believe there is an inherent danger in several immunizations at once. I admit that is just a hunch and not based on scientific evidence.

  196. It is amusing to argue about the existence of God, to me. It is like arguing about the existence of air while sucking it in and out.

    “But I can’t see you. Show yourself to me!” 😀

    I think most atheists spend more time denying a divine presence and rather elevate man as the “be all and end all” to this evolutionary science project of “life”. Even as man’s institutions always lack and eventually corrupt, they still believe the solution is available given the right circumstances, though there is not agreement as to what those circumstances may be. We know what doesn’t work, yet we constantly repeat it hoping for better result.

    God’s patiently waiting. Anticipating. Give up yet? No? Okay, I’ll wait a little longer…

    A question for the nonbelievers regarding evolution…

    Why is everybody unique? Each having a totally different set of identifying characteristics and individual personality. That seems to counter to the whole evolving species theory.

  197. Has nothing to do with whose definition one accepts. (red herring)

    I’ve never read anybody that has a poorer comprehension of the “definitions” of logical fallacies. Your continual misuse is a constant source of ammunition, but does serve to remind me how you became the ultimate “relativist” – except Dominionists and Christianity, of course. Josh McDowell calls this phenomenon the new definition of tolerance – which is always the results, twists the definition of tolerance.

    Just accept any malleable definition that you wish believe? We all could have been perfect students in school and SAT scores would go up dramatically.

    If you knew the Bible as you attest, you would already no the answers to your question you quoted. I suspect this is one you couldn’t Google the result, because it requires the proper question to be asked.

    Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? ~ Epicurus

    You obviously have zero understanding of the concept of “free will.” That alone answers your question, though I don’t believe you remotely deep enough to grasp that idea.

    So let me offer two alternatives maybe even the militant atheist might grasp. Would the concept of omnipotence not also include the ability to use suffering for good? Surely a devout student like you would understand Paul told us that very thing?

    Second, has it ever occurred to you that on the day of judgment, the condemned will have no right to say that their sentence is unjust? God is obviously not stopping people from exercising their free will.

    The only way your argument works Pfesser, and for Epicurus for that matter is that you must put yourself on the same pedestal with God, as in His thoughts can be no higher than your own.

    So you were discussing red herrings?

  198. I hate to ask this but is one of the bees up your butt about Israel that you consider Jews “Christ-killers”?

    Though we all suffer from the sins of our ancestors, I claim the Jews killed Jesus because they did. I don’t blame current Jews or the nation of Israel for the sins of their ancestors, but the Bible clearly points the finger at them for doing the deed. Also it was His destiny and the reason He came to earth. Jesus himself was Jewish, and was the “seed” from Abraham that would bless all nations. The disciples and the bulk of the original church were Jewish. I am not racist and don’t tie ethnicity to integrity.

    I sure hope not because that is the oldest form of rank antisemitism there is. Your thoughts?

    Antisemitism is such an overused and abused word today. Semites include more than Jews, just as the holocaust was not strictly Jewish persecution. The meaning gets lost in the fray. That word, along with it’s partner racism, is often used to shut down discussion.

  199. Antisemitism is such an overused and abused word today.

    OK, perhaps I should rephrase. There is a contingent of folks who dislike modern Jews because they blame them for the death of Christ. Hence the pejorative “Christ-killers”. This stance is bigoted and anti-Jew, hence my use of the word antisemitic. I’ve taken from your answer you are NOT a member of this contingent.

  200. Rutherford,

    Your question about the Jews? I’ll take a partial stab at the easy part.

    There is absolutely no doubt there are already Jews in heaven. The transfiguration of Matthew makes that perfectly clear – Moses and Elijah being two that appeared. We also know from other New Testament stories, there are those who called themselves Jewish that do reside in hell. Calling yourself a Jew isn’t a free pass to paradise.

    After the death of Christ? Let me contemplate that question. The easy answer is to give you those verses about Christ’s nature and the nature of grace. But that would read pretty hollow. I don’t want to answer without some degree of thought, because I don’t want attempt to answer a loaded question without some introspection. Hope that doesn’t sound like a cop out, but I don’t want my answer coming back to haunt me. 😐

    Let me read what some apologists have written more qualified than me to answer, and I’ll place it in the Coliseum (sounds heretical, hey?) for anyone interested.

  201. “It all fails the simplest question of a five-year-old. A little thought experiment: can your god make a rock so heavy he can’t lift it?”

    Of course he can, but then he’ll just suspend gravity and lift the rock with one one eyelash, balancing it until you cry out your philosophical “Uncle!” As for me, just seeing the green beads in his white beard and the “I voted for Obama” t-shirt hanging from his massive shoulders will be enough.

  202. “So I ask you, how would you know using the “Christian example” that they aren’t following the nature of Christ in their own personal mission?”

    I don’t know because I can’t peer inside their soul. I can only deduce from their actions, which include their voting record. For instance, how does a Christian reconcile voting for money to develop death machines against Matthew 5:39? (But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him as well.)

  203. “You can take a wee bit of credit since that “Y’ gene came from you.”

    Nope. That’s more credit to Lil’ Tex for overcoming that handicap. 😆

  204. Here’s a question for Thor, or any other lib who would like to chime in.

    Who can bring the market down faster? Bernacke when he speaks in council? Or Obama when he gives a speech? Both of them seem to have an uncanny ability to drop the market 200-300 points in a matter of minutes.

  205. Thor,

    When did Obama turn the other cheek? Was it when he said hit them twice as hard? Or when he announced the Sermon on the Mount as radical? 🙂

    I assume you are referring to the death penalty? Do you know the second command God gave to Noah for mankind? I’ll give you time to look it up.

    And if you can find where Jesus turned the other cheek with respect to heinous crime, I’ll give you a nickel. Because I think Christ was talking about forgiveness – not giving a pass.

  206. Tigre,

    My X Chromosome is far superior to my Y chromosome – and obviously much faster. Of that, I’m sure.

    As much as I talk, Mrs. Taylor once said, “You should have been a girl…” 🙂

  207. For instance, how does a Christian reconcile voting for money to develop death machines against Matthew 5:39?

    I dunno. Maybe by understanding that Christ knew the world to be a dangerous place, and that he did not frown on self-defense?

    Then He said to them, “But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.

    -Luke 22:36

  208. My cable modem died. I’m not happy. I’ve been reviewing comments on my iPhone. 😦 Cable guy will come between now and 9pm. If I gave my boss that service window I would have been canned. Oh wait … I was canned. Now I’m doubly pissed. 👿

  209. I’ve taken from your answer you are NOT a member of this contingent.

    That is correct.

    Each individual is responsible for their own actions. Period.
    Regardless of race, nation, creed, or any other exclusive factor.

  210. “how does a Christian reconcile voting for money to develop death machines?”

    Oh yeah, and you forgot how do you reconcile that with your stance on abortion?

    Well who’s being put to death?

    Real conundrum. 🙄

  211. Tigre, giving taxpayer money to Planned Murderhood (which has a pretty impresive balance sheet on its own) isn’t “developing a death machine”, because they’re all about privacy and women’s health issues. You don’t believe that all those babies out to inflict punishment on their mothers be being conceived are really innocent lives, do you?

    Dude…you are soooooooo naive.

  212. The other day, Fran Poretto was commenting at my place on how I must be paying R to be my foil.

    I laughed it off then, but I was re-reading some old posts, and now I think that Rutherford is really just having me on, or he completely fails to understand…well, just about everything.

    *tips hat*
    Either way, R., thanks. Without you making me continually sharpen my beliefs by having to explain to you why you’re wrong about so many things, I’d be like eggs without salt.

  213. “Both of them seem to have an uncanny ability to drop the market 200-300 points in a matter of minutes.” – Tex

    They’re just trying to help their buddy Warren with his hedges. Or maybe it’s that Greece fire no one seems to be able to put out. 🙂

  214. Tex @ comment #265

    “Who can bring the market down faster? Bernacke when he speaks in council? Or Obama when he gives a speech? Both of them seem to have an uncanny ability to drop the market 200-300 points in a matter of minutes.”

    Sheez, Tex can only libs answer this question. The answer is Day Traders who take advantage of Bernacke or Obama displaying hoof and mouth disease!

    On another note it seems Mrs. Taylor has your number 😆

  215. When did Obama turn the other cheek? Was it when he said hit them twice as hard? Or when he announced the Sermon on the Mount as radical?

    I assume you are referring to the death penalty?

    Tex, I didn’t mention Obama or the death penalty. When you assume …

    “Do you know the second command God gave to Noah for mankind?” I don’t know. Perhaps “Don’t obsess over this global warming thing Noah. It’s not like the sea levels are rising or anything.”

    I wasn’t speaking to the death penalty. I was speaking of cluster bombs and hydrogen bombs. Perhaps Matthew 5:44 will shine a light on it. “Love your enemies,bless those who curse you,do good to those who hate you.” Not a whole lot of that sentiment coming out of the Tea party lately.

  216. On another note it seems Mrs. Taylor has your number

    That she does. What’s most stunning is, she hasn’t run me off yet after 25 years. 🙂 Not that she hasn’t threatened to a couple of times. Threatened to brain me a couple of times too, and I believed her.

    I need to become a day trader. I could hang around the keyboard just waiting for Bernacke and Obama to take the stage, and 30 minutes before, short the entire market. Tex Buffett.

  217. Well Tex, you are blessed with wise women. Hopefully, they can keep you corralled. 😀 Congrats on the daughter’s hard work. It does reflect on mom and dad.

  218. ‘I dunno. Maybe by understanding that Christ knew the world to be a dangerous place, and that he did not frown on self-defense?

    Then He said to them, “But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.

    -Luke 22:36″ BIW

    He points out in the passage before this that when he sent them out without these items they were perfectly fine, trusting in his vision. I think here he is merely predicting that they will slip back in their old ways as soon as he is gone, finding comfort in weapons and wealth. This might have been a better choice for you, “Now I have seen heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And he who sat on him was called Faithful and True and in righteousness He judges and makes war.” Revelation 19:11. Sounds kind of hawkish to me.

  219. Thank you Poolman. Sometimes, I think parents get lucky. We were lucky. My oldest was an easy child to raise and a joy to be around. Even as a little child, she was very sweet. Best part, is both my daughters are nice kids and never a problem – ran with nice kids too.

    The may turn out to run best Little Whorehouse in Texas, but for now, they are sure something to be proud of.

    You’ll never believe this (cough, cough), but I’m a “little” different around my wife and kids than I am the blog. I know that probably stuns you, hey? 🙂

    ——–

    Have I mentioned that I just don’t think Eric Holder should resign, but I think he is worthy of imprisonment. The goon is a major league scumbag. This Fast and Furious gets worse by the day.

  220. Rutherford, I really don’t personally dislike Obama – he seems likeable enough. He’s the worst President evah and has to go, but I wanted you to know in my heart of hearts, I don’t hate Obama. But…

    I absolutely disdain his wife, who I haven’t liked from the git go. I think she’s a pretentious phony and truth be know, ignorant harpy and scold. Her time is a coming…

    What is she? Queen? *** PUKE ****

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2781920/posts

  221. “Oh yeah, and you forgot how do you reconcile that with your stance on abortion?” -ET

    When did I say anything about abortion? What comment # was that? E.T. you’re not one of those Ass-sumers too, are you? Sy it isn’t so!

  222. BiW, hey wait a minute. That’s a back-at-ya kinda thing.

    Libs don’t recognize those.

    “Shhhhh.

    Don’t interrupt me when I’m waiving nuance in front of those think it excuses cognitive dissonance.” – BiW

    You too? Another Ass-sumer? Should I actually state my views on abortion, or would that just interfere with you two telling me what I think?

  223. “I need to become a day trader. I could hang around the keyboard just waiting for Bernacke and Obama to take the stage, and 30 minutes before, short the entire market. Tex Buffett”

    Does this mean you are officially on the Obama bandwagon? I mean. you wouldn’t want to depose the Kenyan that lays the golden egg, would ya? 🙂

  224. My opinion of Obama… I really like the guy. I think he has moved his fight underground. He has lost business. Business wants someone new and will work big time to undermine him. They realize his underlying interest is in loosening their grip on governance, and they have made a huge investment in keeping themselves self-regulating and self-serving with government’s help.

    Hopefully the tide will rise enough to dash all the sandcastles.

    Politics aside, I think he and Michelle are good people. Frustrated with many things, but there seems to be a strong family there.

    But I guess it’s hard to put politics aside, being it’s the daily news.

  225. Who can bring the market down faster? Bernacke when he speaks in council? Or Obama when he gives a speech?

    Neither. Without a doubt it is Alan Greenspan. When that man opens his mouth, disaster happens on the Dow. Even when he is no longer in a position of power, I cringe whenever he is on TV for fear of what he might say.

  226. Either way, R., thanks. Without you making me continually sharpen my beliefs by having to explain to you why you’re wrong about so many things, I’d be like eggs without salt.

    You’re welcome BiW.

    Take a gander at #221 which you may have overlooked and let me know either here or by private message. I did find your piece moving.

    Of course I believe it was in the same 24 hour period that you supported juvenile heckling of Chaz Bono. Oh well … you’re a complicated man.

  227. “Are you a Ronnie fan, Huck? Who’s your ideal past pres?”

    I thought you were talking about people not presidents.

    I am all over the place politically and I don’t know enough about past presidents to really answer that. Socially liberal on some things and socially conservative on others. Same with FP. And really conservative on economics. I don’t know that we’ve ever had my ideal president.

    But I am talking about my perception of the man…Barack Obama. He is too arrogant for my personal tastes. The kind of guy who points at people and laughs in their face. I posted an example of that from Shaq’s book.

    I would not like to have a beer with him.

  228. Do you feel the least bit ashamed yet?

    ROTFLMAO Obama’s lucky that Asian guy didn’t slap his hand down. If that weren’t on an MSNBC site, I’d swear that was Photoshopped. The best part is the caption that says “Obama waved” as opposed to “Obama put hand in front of colleague’s face”

    Too much! 😆

  229. Well death seemed to occupy the second half of my day, to some extent totally trivial, to another a bit more serious and listed in that order:

    My cable modem died. (Was replaced between 4pm and 5pm CDT wasting an entire work day not to mention interaction on my beloved blog.)

    R.E.M. died. The boys called it quits after 31 years. One might argue they should have broken up after Bill Berry left the group. “New Adventures in Hi-Fi”, Berry’s last album, was also REM’s last great album. But I will miss them just the same. Their latest, released this year was a bit of a return to form. 😦

    Another goddam former colleague of my wife died yesterday. The first which I mentioned to you folks a week or two ago was a suicide. Yesterday’s was a drop-dead-suddenly-at-age-40 while going to a connecting flight. Probably a heart attack due to obesity.

    Finally, in a case where mercy was a reasonable alternative, Georgia showed none, and killed Troy Davis tonight. I’m not saying the man was innocent but damn I heard enough to think there was reasonable doubt. Several pro-death-penalty folks called for his clemency. So did the Pope.

    I find myself saying this every year lately but 2012 has GOT to be better. 😐

  230. Yeah I found out today a cousin I grew up with has cancer really bad. The doctor pretty much told him there is no need for chemo at this point. I guess he is riddled with it. They told him just yesterday he has “weeks to months.”

    I can’t even fathom being told that.

  231. Still not afraid of the Dominionists? Check out the Theology of Armageddon:

    http://blog.buzzflash.com/node/13024

    Mikey Weinstein has been nearly single-handedly battling the Christian-warrior meme that is infiltrating the highest levels of America’s military. For those who are memory-challenged, those are the people who control the nuclear devices that would sterilize the surface of the planet – Armageddon, you might call it…

  232. Thorazine: “When did I say anything about abortion? What comment # was that? E.T. you’re not one of those Ass-sumers too, are you? Sy it isn’t so!”

    That was rhetorical Numb Nut. so I guess you’re the one ASS-uming. 😆

    (think he’ll spot it BiW?)

    But I do think someone here threw the connection out recently. A comment to the effect of “if republicans stance against abortion is because they value life, why do they support the death penalty.”

    It’s tired refrain with an obvious answer. Kind of like Rutherford’s astute observation that governors opposing stimulus “hypocritically” accepted the funds — like it wasn;t taken from them to begin with.

  233. Strike two at 296 Thorazine. 😆

    Try picking up the pace Ass-umer. I am deriving too much amusement from the pattern — at your expense. 😆

  234. ooowwww…instead of ushering Armegeddon, now we will now speed up the process and just create Armageddon.

    The stories get more dramatic and more frightening by the thread. I’m quaking. 😥

    Who ever expected Sarah Palin would turn out to be the anti-Christ? Who is the false prophet? Glenn Rice? Or Todd?

  235. R, back on topic, how’s the Obama Channel, MSNBC, doing on its reporting of Solyndra, or for that matter Fast and Furious, several days out now?

  236. Tex I don’t know what you’re referring to (#318), and I don’t think I want to know.

    I saw Sarah Palin on television the other night. I had the usual lack of interest that I’ve developed in what she was saying, but I did think to myself, “that woman looks awfully tired.”

    I don’t know about Thor but my 401k is in the crapper, as my dad would say. At least I have a job, thank God for that. (Hope I didn’t offend anyone, it’s just an expression).

    Huck, sorry. Hard to even imagine.

    Tex, congratulations. Your ladies all sound wonderful.

    For those right-back-at-em’s – Right on.

    Rutherford, I do think “but what if they got it wrong?” That’s murder then. But then there’s that case being tried right now that’s referred to by one of the rapist/killers themselves as a “home invasion gone wrong.” I do want those monsters to pay with their lives. What do you think about those circumstances? Are you familiar with the case?

  237. Whups, sorry Tigre 🙂 Our posts crossed and I’m still wandering off topic.

    You’re right, those are the buried stories right now. MSNBC is a disgrace.

  238. But then there’s that case being tried right now that’s referred to by one of the rapist/killers themselves as a “home invasion gone wrong.”

    Muffy is that the one in Connecticut? I just heard about it yesterday for the first time.

    I used to be 100% against the death penalty. Sadly old age has given me a taste for revenge. So now there are cases, like that CT one, where the punishment simply can’t be too cruel for my taste. Draw and quarter them in the public square.

    The trouble is, if one innocent man gets the lethal injection, is that enough to toss the whole idea out the window? Perhaps it is. I’m in flux on this one.

    Also to preempt those who will say I’m contradicting myself … Rick Perry can’t say in one breath he values life (see HPV excuse) and then in the next proudly announce his hang ’em high philosophy. I see hypocrisy there. I also find an audience applauding TX’s execution record highly disturbing.

  239. BiW, if you happen by here soon I have a question. Out of respect for the loss of your friend Rosetta, I’m asking you here because over at your place I’ll only get some dumbass comment from the likes of AgileDog and I don’t want to sully your beautiful tribute with a contaminated comment thread.

    R, that was accidentally published.

    Rosetta is not dead (unless it is very recent). We’re doing something for Halloween that we are calling the Dead Hostage Project, and if you participate, your name goes into the pot, and you are assigned someone to write a eulogy for, and others write one for you..
    The idea is that it had great potential, either to be great, or epically awful. I truly expect mine to be a ruthless, take no prisoner roast of me, but Rosetta is truly one of the larger than life presences of our family there, so I wanted it to be like him. Funny and human at the same time. I don’t know if you had the time to click on some of the links, because I think you would have understood that it was a joke, but one filled with real sentiment.

    As for the Chaz thing, as I said, I refuse to be bullied into political correctness, and someone like it (let’s be honest, it isn’t really either gender at the moment) is the epitome of rejecting reality to make its own. I don’t have to tolerate that or refrain from mocking it. The self-imposed rhetorical paralysis on calling things what they are in this country has lead to even greater outrages than the truth being uttered. But then, what do I know? I’m just a hostage-taking, domestic terrorist, or at least thats what people who don’t like to call terrorists “terrorists” say.

  240. I think nail-biter is just more wishful thinking, R..

    If you think Obama will lose in a landslide next year, you’re dreaming Tigre. The poll said the “strongly favorable” number dropped but that the overall favorable was at least 86%.

    And take my word for it, if the GOP is foolish enough to run Perry, the race will be VERY close.

    I think Obama’s biggest weakness is the novelty has worn off. First black President … so what? So I think in general, voter turnout will be far less than in the historic 2008 election. A lot of folks voted that year to be a part of history.

  241. “That was rhetorical Numb Nut. so I guess you’re the one ASS-uming.

    (think he’ll spot it BiW?)

    But I do think someone here threw the connection out recently. A comment to the effect of “if republicans stance against abortion is because they value life, why do they support the death penalty.” “-ET

    So address your comments to “someone”, not me. Oh, I get it. If you twist someone’s opinion on this blog and get called out for it, you just pull the rhetoric parachute. Most blogs you simply apologize. But since those are the rules … Pretty chicken sh*t. (rhetorical chicken sh*t of course, no offense.) 🙂

  242. “Hey Thorazine, how’s that Obama 401K looking now?” – Tex

    Bernanke took a little cream off the top, but it’s ok. Propping the dollar is spanking the shit out of gold and oil at mid-day, but that just made you richer, right Tex Buffett. 🙂

    I’ll still take my Obama 401k over my Bush 401k.
    Bush Dow Started at 10,800 – ended at 8400 (your number).
    Obama Dow started at 8400 – as of this minute 10,707.

  243. Thorazine, good grief. Not much for context I see. I never attributed the comment about abortion/death penalty to you, but If you want to feel wounded, be my guest. 🙄 At least BiW got it.

    R, let’s see — killing murders versus for the panoply of reasons other than revenge, and preventing birth defects through HPV vaccinations is a hard one for you understand? Don’t you see the rationale of valuing the lives of the actual and putative innocent victims in seeking to protect them?

    Obama’s most ardent supporter (and least likely to turn out) are dropping off. But there again, you didn’t seem to see the 2010 elections coming either. Thanks for your next prediction. If it makes you feel better, I think Perry will flame out. I see Romney. Either way, Obama is in big, big trouble. Why you don’t see it is startling and probably because of the outlets you rely on to make your assessment.

    Obama’s biggest weakness is that he is a failure, not that he’s black.

  244. Sorry.

    “killing murderers for the panoply of reasons (other than just revenge) versus preventing birth defects through HPV vaccinations is a hard one for you understand?”

  245. And take my word for it, if the GOP is foolish enough to run Perry, the race will be VERY close.

    I don’t know R. Did you watch Gorilla’s clip in 312? Pretty devastating. Ponzi schemes and secession won’t mean squat if people don’t have jobs. If congress won’t get off their arses then it’s time for some executive orders. How about forming a youth job corps? Future Obama Socialist Kenyan-Looking Hope Youth Administration. Has a nice ring to it.

  246. If congress won’t get off their arses then it’s time for some executive orders. How about forming a youth job corps? Future Obama Socialist Kenyan-Looking Hope Youth Administration. Has a nice ring to it.

    Why have a free market at all, Commrade? Central Planning always works out well. Once Commerade Obama imposes yet another ten-year plan, this time by executive fiat, every good American household will have tractor. No food to eat, and no money to buy it with, but the tractor will show the world how smart our Dear Leader is More government redistribution! Excellent plan. What could possibly go wrong? *looks at Solyndra story*.

  247. Actually “wanna be Tex Buffet” most of the fluctuations in the DJIA are computer generated. The Dow (DJIA) itself is a stock traded on the exchange. Think of Rabbit and his SILVER.

    A trader puts in a call buy at say $11,000 then issues a sell call at say $11,500. It’s all a gamble for the high rollers since they aren’t talking one measly stock but let’s say you purchase One Stock in DJIA you can possibly make $500 in a few days if your timing is good. All short trading!

    Long term investors don’t put much stock in the daily/weekly fluctuations of the DJIA. You can play the same game with the S&P but returns are lower.

  248. BiW, yikes. I did find some of the bio of Rosetta amazing but no I didn’t click the supporting links. Guess I get to wear the dunce cap for the day. Now I’m doubly glad I didn’t comment at your place. AgileDog would have had a field day with me.

    As for Chaz, look, I find the whole transgender thing very hard to warm up to but I think the burden is on me to do some attitude adjustment. The notion that our gender identity is separate from our genitalia does not seem that far fetched to me. Now taking that step toward reassignment does seem a bit nutty to me but who is hurt by it? Chastity didn’t feel comfortable in her own body and medical science has a way to correct that so why not?

    I think what is particularly disarming is that we all remember Chastity as a cute little girl from 40 years ago on TV. Still I found that comment that you re-tweeted incredibly juvenile … it just screamed of someone not confident in their own sexuality. The guy seemed threatened. He needs to take a chill pill.

  249. BiW, yikes. I did find some of the bio of Rosetta amazing but no I didn’t click the supporting links.

    The part about being sold to the traveling production of Up With People should have been a clue. :-p

    AD couldn’t say anything…it was up for only a few minutes, and is now back in the draft folder until it is published next month.

  250. Rick Perry can’t say in one breath he values life (see HPV excuse) and then in the next proudly announce his hang ‘em high philosophy. I see hypocrisy there.

    Really?

    What would you have suggested for James Byrd’s executioners as proper punishment? We executed one of those bastards last night – but this time, the liberals went silent. There were no demonstrations. We’re not seeing that bandied about in the circles you run. I didn’t see your brothers and sisters, wolves in sheep’s clothing standing outside the walls, mourning the man’s death, singing Kumbaya, and holding your candles in Huntsville, TX, last night. Why? Why were you not out in mass to vilify Rick Perry?

    Could it be that it didn’t provide any political ammunition? The color on the screen to pale, maybe? Perhaps it was the gross nature of the crime? Or just maybe it was that you and your ilk are so morally vacuous, that there was nothing politically to be gained, demonstrating that you are bankrupt – characterizing you don’t give a damn about the people on death row, or the victims, or justice, but to act out a scene of how “compassionate” and “merciful” you are? And I do mean act.

    And you want to call Rick Perry a hypocrite because he respects the opinions of the jury, carried out the wishes of the family, and understands justice demands it?

    The only hypocrite I’m reading on this board comes from the left. To qualify how vacuous, men and women who call butchering a baby in its mother’s womb a right, many whom have carried forth their own insidious style of execution in the name of law but always without witness, but will defend a heinous murderer’s right to life in front of the microphone.

    Since your predilection for being wrong about everything is strung all over this blog, I have but one simple question left. Why should anybody on this board ever consider your opinions worthy of consideration? Opinions that later when tested were so wrong to become punch lines in jokes?

  251. Chastity didn’t feel comfortable in her own body and medical science has a way to correct that so why not?

    This is precisely why this was objectionable. Medical science hasn’t “corrected” anything. It allows Chaz the appearance of something it isn’t, but in truth, hasn’t changed anything. I understand that the “I was living a lie” arguement is often invoked as justification for doing something like this, but that hasn’t changed. It might have a penis (and again, I don’t want to know HOW you know this, but it can never sire children. Genetically, it is still a woman, whatever hormones it might be taking notwithstanding, And while I know you do not share my religious beliefs, I cannot but help to view the proceedure as an incredibly arrogant and tragic act. If we are indeed created in the image of God, then this act not only implies a belief that God mad a mistake, and that man can “correct” it by csometicaly recasting it, but that by changing the appearance of what is, man has actually improved upon God’s creation.

    It is an act of delusion and arrogance that is celebrated, and the things that the celebration and acceptance says about us scares the crap out of me, and it should you too, R.

  252. “I didn’t see your brothers and sisters, wolves in sheep’s clothing standing outside the walls, mourning the man’s death, singing Kumbaya, and holding your candles in Huntsville, TX, last night.”

    They let libs into Texas? You guys got to secure your borders.

  253. “Long term investors don’t put much stock in the daily/weekly fluctuations of the DJIA.”

    …much stock… Nice.

    Dow now down over 500. Time to sell your X-Men collector underwear selection (even if it is still in the original shrink wrap) and buy some Apple. It has to be undervalued in a swing that big.

  254. Genetically, it is still a woman — BiW

    Not so fast there Dr. Kildare. I don’t know if it is true in Chaz’s case but I have read that some transgender people had chromosomal abnormalities at birth making their gender genetically ambiguous. I don’t mean hermaphrodites per se, but something less physical and more genetic.

    Perhaps if Dr. Taylor can put aside his own prejudices on this topic he can shed some light on the genetic factors that might influence the desire to change gender?

  255. Chaz Bono is a woman. She/He/It was clearly 100% girl when born, the only selection of gender is during development, and they can strap on skin grafted dildo 12″ long, and she’ll still be a girl. Hormones may give some appearance of a man – but at the genetic level, it’s a woman.

    Her/him/is/iit chromosomes would indicate two ‘X’ chromosomes.

    Another indicator of how debased we’ve become. Here’s the genetic desire – it’s called mental illness. Considering the lib, uneducated mother, and former Bush basher, it’s no huge surprise.

  256. Rutherford, if you have any question as to why I have such disdain for religion, the argument made in the next paragraph illustrates it perfectly.

    “If we are indeed created in the image of God, then this act not only implies a belief that God mad a mistake, and that man can “correct” it by csometicaly recasting it, but that by changing the appearance of what is, man has actually improved upon God’s creation.”

    Would this mean that a child with a major heart defect, having been created by God, is by definition perfect and should not undergo life-saving corrective surgery? Did God make a mistake there? Is a deaf child who can hear via a cochlear implant not to have one, since we are trifling with God’s work? Is a person who in no way feels female to spend a life carrying God’s snatch, when in fact he/she feels one hundred percent a man and doctors can to some degree make her/him what she feels she is. (got tired of the he/she stuff)

    Jesus fuckme christ. It’s hopeless. Religion is just like rabies; once the virus gets in the brain, there is only one cure. It goes away when the animal dies; there is no other way.

  257. Rutherford –

    I am not aware that a chromosomal abnormality is required for transgender feelings. It may be some intrauterine hormonal exposure according to some people, but who knows? Development is so complex that it could be anything, anytime…

  258. Religion is just like rabies; once the virus gets in the brain, there is only one cure. It goes away when the animal dies; there is no other way.

    Fortunately, Christianity is not a religion, but a relationship. Pol Pot, Stalin, Lenin, Kim Jong Il, and assorted Dominionist paranoia types have never understood this simple, yet profound concept. In fact, the word “religion” is taken as negative vernacular in the New Testament, only once in the Book of James used in the positive, and only then prefaced with the word “pure…”

    As society and the world begin to unravel, and it is now clearly happening Rutherford and gaining steam, I’m just wondering what you’re going to do when you are dependent upon the very people who created the circumstances that led to the unraveling? You going to continue to listen to the fools? Could Elric have been right all along and you really will become a drone to exist? You’re not naive enough to believe you’re a part of their equation, are you?

    I’m always amused by the survivalists, hoarding canned goods and ammo, building bomb shelters, or digging caves, or whatever it takes to make it through the hell – as if, that will restore order to what was; living like an animal in a survival of the fittest.

    To survive for what? A slower, more painful death?

    No thanks. I’ll invest my treasures in heaven, finish the course, and keep the faith.

  259. PFesser, I realize that its easy for you to lump a specific condition in with the idea that the whole package is wrong, but it is not an apt anology. I don’t know if that is a by-product of the arrogance demonstrated by some in the medical community, or simply a convenient way for you to make your point, but it is a pretty weak argument to make.

    BTW, I’ve known several deaf people who do resist the idea of implants because they think they are fine the way that they are. I’ve never studied the question closely, but I imagine being born deaf and becoming deaf later in life may account for the difference in opinions.

  260. So this is our coming savior, hey? Elizabeth Warren? She sounds like a marvelous politician and Marxist. I wonder how many businesses, large and small, would flee the minute she obtained authority? Matter of fact, I’m wondering how many radiologists want to give me credit for their professional success? Hee hee..

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/09/21/elizabeth_warren_there_is_nobody_in_this_country_who_got_rich_on_his_own.html

    Of course, it’s once again the same few who (1) Voted for Zero; (2) Believe we are glorified apes.

  261. His argument is so specious, it’s incredibly easy to just ignore.

    Was Chaz Bono’s health endangered in any way before the ‘transition’? I could make a pretty good case in fact, the damage is being caused because of the ‘transition’, not on account.

    Putting diesel in the gas tank has a tendency to shorten the engine life.

  262. Huck @ #307

    I am sad to hear about your cousin. I also cannot fathom being told my life will be over in weeks/months. Hopefully, you can be there for your cousin if needed.

    Tex @ #345

    I think my definition of long term changes each year with my birthday 😉 There seems to be more short term investors these days. Do they know something we don’t or is it the short term theory of “live life to the fullest” ?

  263. Considering the lib, uneducated mother, and former Bush basher, it’s no huge surprise.

    Her father was a Republican. 🙂

    Well Tex, I was hoping you would put aside your macho stance and give a reasonable medical answer. So I had to hunt myself for a more intelligent response.

    http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/TS.html#anchor107763

    This is a long read and I admit I didn’t finish it but it certainly makes the whole matter a lot more complicated than simple mental illness. Most interesting were cases of ambiguous genitalia where doctors made the “wrong” surgical choice in choosing the gender and as the infants grew up they felt they had the wrong genitals. This points to gender identification not residing in the genitals but in the brain, specifically the hypothalamus.

    Sadly, folks who laugh at transsexuals or express contempt or disgust with them are not considering possible scientific explanations. This is not new. There was a time that epileptics were considered possessed by the devil.

    Next time I want a compassionate intelligent medical opinion, I’ll be sure to steer clear of Dr. Tex Taylor. 😐

  264. Raji, I appreciate your commonsensical approach to investment. And on obtaining my MBA many years ago, I would have agreed with your sound advice.

    Unfortunately, fundamentals have been thrown to the winds, rationale cast upon the deep waters sinking to the depths. Inside information, irrational fear, global perspicacity, and crony capitalism have become the new investment norm.

    I’m afraid us two schmucks and millions like us are sitting ducks floating out on the waters, with Uncle Warren and his buddies waddling to the shore every morning, shot guns in hand, decided who is next on the menu.

    Those people can’t pass soon enough….

  265. Would this mean that a child with a major heart defect, having been created by God, is by definition perfect and should not undergo life-saving corrective surgery?

    Yup, PF I hear you loud and clear. After I challenged BiW on Twitter about a sophomoric tweet that he “re-tweeted” he sent me a reply with the hashtag #unnatural or some such thing as that. I had to laugh.

    What is “natural” about a prosthesis? Should a one legged person be forced to hobble about on the one leg because a prosthetic leg is unnatural and therefore forbidden?

    Sometimes nature (or God if you will) f*cks up and it’s the job of medical science to compensate for it.

  266. That’s a fine, transgendered propaganda site you found there Rutherford. Tip of the cap in finding a site to meet your preconceived bias. I doubt Poolman could have done better.

    But if you were to ask Chaz Bono to take a test for gender and it complied, you would still find two X chromosomes contained in the genome.

    So I’ll tell you what. To establish a degree of fairness in argument, every time an abortion clinic is blown up, an abortion doctor shot, a black man dragged to death at the hand of the white mob, with a wave of my hand, I’ll excuse the abnormal behavior of the perpetrator as a probable problem with the predisposition of genetic irregularity in their hypothalamus. 😉

  267. BTW, I’ve known several deaf people who do resist the idea of implants because they think they are fine the way that they are. I’ve never studied the question closely, but I imagine being born deaf and becoming deaf later in life may account for the difference in opinions.

    The deaf are truly a whole different bag. I don’t know whether it is the development of sign language or some other factor but there is a political radicalism in the deaf community that does not exist in the general disabled population. There are many deaf who want to make it a lifestyle, not a disability. Perhaps it has something to do with being able to pass for non-disabled. Until they have to talk, no one knows they are deaf.

    I’ve had a real bug up my ass for years regarding the “proud to be deaf” community who disdain those who choose cochlear implants or other means to improve their hearing. Maybe I’m just angry because I can’t pass but I’ll tell you, the radical deaf drive me up the wall.

  268. Rutherford…again, there is a distinction between a specific condition (bad heart valve, congenital deafness, cleft palate) and REJECTION OF WHOLE PACKAGE. I realize that distinction might be difficult for you since man would be the ultimate authority in your world, but the fact that the end result of the rejection (the addadicktome) is just a facade, and the fact that she is still genetically a woman ought to be a pretty good clue for you.

  269. So this is our coming savior, hey? Elizabeth Warren?

    I’ve already written about the folly of Warren’s senate bid. but Tex you cannot refute a damn thing she said in that article you linked.

    She is clear headed. She speaks truth. Loud and clear. She is an idealist regarding the power of one person to start a movement. She will get no where, sadly. 😦

  270. Elizabeth “Che” Warren is an obvious political hack with a double standard. I can see why your heart a flutter with her. Kind of Obama with a skirt.

    Where was the mention of Obamacare, estimated to create debt over $1 trillion? Where was the mention of a “stimulus” that didn’t work that cost another trillion. Where was the mention of the fees the factories pay to use those roads?

    So here’s the bottom line – simplified for Libs.

    Bush is to be condemned for create $4 trillion of debt, which he did in 96 months. Obama created $4.1 more debt and Zero did in 31 months with even worse results. Food stamps? Record poverty? Failed war strategy?

    So since Che Warren’s complaint is about debt, where is her loud and ringing condemnation of President Broko Zero which is more than 300% worse than George Bush?

  271. “Bush is to be condemned for create $4 trillion of debt, which he did in 96 months.” – Tex

    Does that include the two wars and precription drug benefit. I think they were (originally at least) kept off the books with supplementals. Is this true or urban myth?

  272. Huck, sorry about your good friend. I know people that have been healed totally from cancer. Some went through chemo, others did not. I also know some that were not healed. I don’t know your friend’s belief system, but if he wants prayer, I can offer that. I have a generic email he can contact me if he would like to get more specific. azpoolman7 at gmail dot com

    I know prayer works and have seen plenty of first hand results. Even if only for comfort and to help share a burden. I want to offer it.

  273. Your cousin, not your good friend, though it sounds like you are close.
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    Thor, you look kind of troll-like. 😀

    ____________

    Elizabeth “Che” Warren? Really, Tex. I guess you don’t recognize integrity when you see it. She could really straighten a lot of the corrupt “good ole boy network” given a chance. Of course them good ole boys have no intention of breaking up their club.

  274. Thanks everybody.

    I have become very cautious not to get too attached until I hear that heart beat.

    So, no names yet.

    As for the baby being a girl, very unlikely. 90 percent of Rabbits are male.

    I can’t imagine raising a girl. Plus, we own all boy baby stuff.

  275. I guess you don’t recognize integrity when you see it. She could really straighten a lot of the corrupt “good ole boy network” given a chance.

    Ask Che what she would propose we have done after 9/11 for me, would you? For a Pinko, American hating, appeasing coward like you, I’m not surprised you find her so appealing.

  276. “I know prayer works and have seen plenty of first hand results. Even if only for comfort and to help share a burden. I want to offer it.”

    He’s very religious and would welcome prayer on his behalf.

  277. Two debates in a row I’ve watched. That’s a new record for me, because I hate large debates – they are basically worthless.

    My take? I like Perry, but he has now convinced me he’s not ready for prime time yet – you have to be more polished than he was tonight. Four years from now, maybe. Bachmann lied about what she said last week, and she’s not viable anyway.

    The clear winners were Newt and Herman. Both were excellent. Paul was very good tonight, his answer on abortion was excellent, but sometime he will be asked about foreign policy, and that will be the death knell for Paul’s candidacy. I already know his stances there – I guarantee he will soon be out thereafter.

    Gary Johnson is a funny guy. I hadn’t heard him before – he had the best line of the night. But cutting the military budget 43% is impossible. Can’t happen.

    Romney will probably win the nomination. I’m not crazy about him, think he’s a more big government guy than I am, but will vote for him if he’s the nominee and will actively campaign, if need be. Romney has yet to address SS, and he’s wrong about its success. I guarantee you he will not address it. The money has clearly been misappropriated. Anybody on that stage is more qualified than what we’ve got.

    You could pull out the phone book and throw darts and they would be more qualified than what we’ve got.

    The bottom line is that Obama has got to go and I’m not taking my eye off that ball.

  278. This was an interesting read from one perspective. It talks about the Bible’s use as propaganda, as well as using other religion and science to control humans.

    Unfortunately, faith sometimes has a way of stifling spiritual growth and intellectual exploration. This isn’t to denigrate faith in itself, but rather faith misapplied, faith placed in things that are unworthy of it. Faith is an important issue here, because it’s in the nature of human beings to apply faith somewhere – even if, in a rationalistic, materialist mindset, the value of faith is denied more or less completely. Perhaps especially so, if that mindset itself is a lie: propaganda meant to restrict human beings from full and frank communication with each other, and exploration of the world – the natural world, and the cultural world – within which we find ourselves.

    It’s one of the truisms of our age that science has taken the place of religion as an ultimate authority: something in which we place our full trust, our full faith. The word ‘science’ implies demonstrable knowledge. But simply placing one’s faith in science without the necessary checks on its findings, and without being aware that the practice of science is commonly politicized, and scientific data commonly marginalized and ignored in the formulation of ‘scientific’ conclusions, is surely a misuse of that faith. Without such checks, placing faith in science becomes a religious matter: a matter of accepting dogma. There is an inherent vulnerability here, where faith, or trust, is misused, and our outlook – on ourselves and our world – is restricted to narrow, politically-directed norms. This narrow way of thinking is not really scientific in the full sense of the word, but it is symptomatic of literalist religious thinking. It’s dumbed-down thinking, it induces a dreary half-wittedness in one’s own mind and in social intercourse, and it’s thus important in programs of social control.

    http://www.sott.net/articles/show/235161-Lies-Damned-Lies-and-Holy-Scripture-Part-1

  279. The debates depress me.

    If SS is so solid, someone tell Romney to look us in the eye and tell us how this is so. I swear its more of the baby boom survival mind set. SS is good to go because it will be there in its current form for the only generation that matters.

    This was the first time I’ve seen more then a sound bite from Perry. I was shocked to see such a bumbling idiot.

    Perry’s gift to illegal aliens infuriates me as I get bitch slapped monthly with both my own and my wife’s student loans: a mortgage in of itself.

    Bauchman seems like an internet blogger that doesn’t know when to quit.

    Who knows. Maybe the Alaskan quitter will jump in after her daughter’s reality TV show contract is up. Awesome.

    I swear we are in an era reminiscent of the decades leading up to the Civil War. A bunch of dill weed presidents that would have been incompetent during even less challenging times, down right tragic during a mounting American disaster.

    I agree.

    Obama must go. I can’t imagine the damage that crooked, big spending shell of a leader will inflict on my son’s future if he is in for another term.

    I reluctantly back Romney.

  280. It talks about the Bible’s use as propaganda, as well as using other religion and science to control humans.

    It does a lot more than Poolman. Your author calls the Bible fiction. Is that what you wish to quote? It continually amazes me that you call yourself a born again believer, yet will pull the most inane references and nastiest heresy, use as reference, and never understand it is you that it being both duped and deceived.

    I can only surmise you have greatly misjudged the power of evil. You shouldn’t. Because it’s got you so firmly grasped by the balls, I don’t believe you will ever squirm your way into understanding.

    Do you not have any idea who the Jesus Seminar is? 😯

  281. I very much reluctantly back Romney. He reminds me somewhat not in his mannerisms but his conclusions of Bush 41 with better business experience. Certainly not a candidate that is fool proof or invulnerable. Romney damn sure doesn’t excite me because he acts like a frat boy. But if he’s anti-Obama and he is smart enough to handle foreign diplomacy, that will have to be enough.

    I’ve seen Perry when he’s quite good on the stump. Excellent, in fact. I didn’t recognize the man tonight – he was the worst one on the stage. But the more I thought about it, those speeches were always relevant to Texas – that which Perry is most familiar.

    Governors generally make the best candidates, but it’s if they need four years of practice grooming themselves to handle the national stage. Ronald Reagan did. Let’s face it – being President is a lot more complicated than being governor because the scope is so broad. If Chris Christie were to run, he would run into some of the same problems Perry is running into.

    I think that is why Mitch Daniels probably chose not to run and I thought he was a good candidate.

    Marco Rubio is the without doubt in my mind the best candidate – and he is not running and may not for quite sometime, if ever. If I could take the baggage from Newt, he is still my favorite because I find him far and away, the smartest man on the stage. Herman Cain would be my second choice now. Told you I was malleable this time. GOT TO GET RID OF OBAMA and see if we can PUSH BERNACKE OFF THE STAGE. Both are disasters. 😡

  282. One last comment. Bachmann.

    We should get to keep every last dollar we earn? 🙄 What kind of a dumbass response is that? I doubt you’ll find many small government proponents more radical than I am, and even I recognize about 10% of your paycheck needs to go to the Fed to support the military, infrastructure (which the damn gas tax should be completely dedicated to), and some regulation. I’d take corporate taxes down to 18% – the industrialized world average – leave FICA alone and allow half of it to be privatized into an account

    I’m far more pissed about the hidden fees and taxes we pay every day with little or nothing to show for it. Ever checked your fricking phone bill?

    And the saddest part? You could zero out all federal taxes today, and most of would still be getting hit big time with taxes. I guarantee most on this board pay 50% of their take home in some type of tax. I know we do. Damn sales tax is almost 9% on groceries.

  283. Hey Rabbit, congrats dude on the good news. Do you REALLY expect to get lucky and be able to use Bronson’s hand-me-down’s on the new kid in this economy? Get real …. it’s a girl my friend and you and Mrs. Rabbit have a lot of shopping to do. 😉

    Only trouble is … if it is a girl I pity the fool that comes courting 18 years from now. I can see Rabbit now, greeting him with rifle in hand. 😯

  284. Tex, I did not claim to agree 100 percent with the author. And yes, his claim is there is much fiction in there. The article was from an interesting perspective and contained a lot of truth. Criticism of any book, including the Bible, doesn’t rock my faith. My faith is in the rock.

    My God is Spirit and doesn’t live in a leather bound collection. The Bible definitely points to His truth and all scripture is God-breathed, but what we have today are MANipulated™ books and knowledge. Unless the Holy Spirit reveals truth to you, it’s all just words.

  285. Romney has yet to address SS, and he’s wrong about its success.

    So please tell me about all the elderly who hate getting that SS check, or don’t get it on time, or don’t get the amount they expected.

    Romney is right … SS is a success but it is on life support. He sensibly suggests it be saved. Perry, nuttily suggests that it is unconstitutional but should go to the states … well if it’s unconstitutional, then how can it go to the states? Also, Perry flubbed his “Mitt is a flip-flopper” attack. It was pretty embarrassing. He couldn’t even read it off his note cards. Reminded me of good old Sarah. Maybe he should have written it on his hand?

    Perry has peaked. Unless someone else gets in, Romney will be the nominee.

    Gary Johnson had a great line with the dogs and shovel ready projects. Tex, you know Gary is for legalizing marijuana, right? He’s a one-note player …. “balance the budget”. Say it enough times and he thinks that’s a full blown policy. Laughable although I did enjoy watching him.

    But the best line of the night came from Mitt. “There are lots of reasons not to elect me. There are lots of reasons not to elect many of us on this stage” ROTFLMAO Yes, Mitt, well said my man! 😆

  286. Just as I love Paul’s foreign policy for its simplicity, I’m beginning to warm up to Herman Cain also for this 9-9-9 idea of his. 9% income tax, 9% corporate tax and 9% national sales tax. And that’s it. End of story. I love it when anyone in government wants to simplify sh*t. Things are way too complicated.

  287. If Chris Christie were to run, he would run into some of the same problems Perry is running into.

    I think that is why Mitch Daniels probably chose not to run and I thought he was a good candidate.

    Wrong on both counts. Christie would not run into the problems Perry is having because Christie is not insane. Christie has no legacy of outrageous crazy ass quotes to overcome. I’m telling you, if Christie gets in the race, I may have to switch sides.

    As for Mitch Daniels, he got out of the race because his wife beat the sh*t out of him. She is batsh*t crazy from what I’ve read and in the months between Mitch toying with saying yes and then saying no, he suffered two very public and conspicuous injuries … one supposedly inflicted by walking into a door. Yeah, just like Tiger Wood’s wife didn’t smash his car with a golf club.

    Poor Mitch is a p-whipped battered husband. Now that he’s out, notice how damn healthy the man looks.

  288. LOL Huck I can flip that argument over on you in a heartbeat. A big reason for Obama’s election was a rejection of the Bush agenda which many thought McCain would bring. So surely you’re not suggesting that ANYONE is better than what we’ve got? I SO wish Sarah would get in the race so I could really put you to the test.

    Huck if you really think we’d be better off with Perry, Palin or Bachmann than we are now, you are truly delusional.

  289. I love hearing Tex bemoan Bachmann. ROTFLMAO. This woman could not have been elected dog catcher 20 years ago.

    Poor Tex … takes him a while to see the light but at least he sees it eventually.

  290. “I’m beginning to warm up to Herman Cain… I love it when anyone in government wants to simplify sh*t.”

    He’s got some pretty simple ideas regarding the ways Muslims should be treated in this country, too.

    We don’t want a man like Herman Cain as our leader.

  291. On a side note…

    “A big reason for Obama’s election was a rejection of the Bush agenda which many thought McCain would bring.”

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Like I said a few months back. In the 2012 election, if you don’t want 4 more years of Bush-era policies…vote Republican.

  292. He’s got some pretty simple ideas regarding the ways Muslims should be treated in this country, too.

    Good point.

    Huck this is why your affiliation with the Republican party completely befuddles me. They are all (with the possible exception of Huntsman) social conservatives with very backward views on how to treat people different from themselves. I know you’re a fiscal conservative but damn man, don’t you see the extra baggage you get with these candidates?

  293. In the 2012 election, if you don’t want 4 more years of Bush-era policies…vote Republican.

    I have to admit it is kinda funny that Obama just can’t win. Half the country hates him for being different from Bush and the other half hates him for being just like Bush.

  294. “Huck this is why your affiliation with the Republican party completely befuddles me.”

    I have to pick my battles and compromise. The things in which I hold a conservative view tend to be more important to me than the things in which I hold a liberal view.

  295. “I’ve had a real bug up my ass for years regarding the “proud to be deaf” community who disdain those who choose cochlear implants or other means to improve their hearing. Maybe I’m just angry because I can’t pass but I’ll tell you, the radical deaf drive me up the wall.”

    I didn’t choose that example randomly. I am well-familiar with a young man who has a cochlear implant, having known him since the day he was born. He is congenitally deaf. The anguish his family suffered when he was discovered to be deaf was unthinkable, yet when they were considering an implant they were appalled by the blowback they received from the “deaf community”- the very people who should have offered support and a shoulder to cry on. “You’re trying to destroy the deaf community,” they said. “Deafness is not a disability.”

    His father responded, “Yes, by god, we’re trying to destroy the deaf community. Also the heart disease community, the crippled community, the mentally retarded community. And as for disability, you come here and you and I will stand in the middle of the Interstate with our backs to traffic and we’ll see who’s disabled.”

    The inability to hear is a minor part of the disability. The deaf child is more disabled than a blind child – because he can’t learn effectively. Children learn in words, not pictures or finger signs. I studied sign language many years ago and it is very primitive. It only transmits ideas on the crudest of levels. There is very little subtlety or nuance. There is no way to say, “It looks like you have picked up a little weight,” for example. You say, “You’re fat.”

    The “deaf community” made several enemies that day. I’ve had no use for them since.

    By the way, that young man just entered college this semester. He, having been implanted at two years of age, speaks perfectly. None of that “deaf speech.” He does not know how to sign. Nobody knows he’s deaf. He’s a beautiful, thoughtful young man with a bright future – not that of the typical congenitally deafened adult – functioning on a third-grade level and working in a laundry. He is studying architecture and has to beat the girls off with a stick.

    Fuck the “deaf community” and their “lifestyle.” They are selfish, ignorant bastards.

  296. Romney – yes. Reluctantly, as many have said, but unequivocally. None of the other putative Republican candidates are worthy of a look or could beat Bo – and Obama HAS to go. ,More importantly, his minions – Geithner, Rubin, The Bernank – have to go. We are in such a world of shit.

  297. R, now says, “Perry has peaked. Unless someone else gets in, Romney will be the nominee.”

    Lol.

    You are on a 3 hour news/opinion cycle No wonder you love MSNBC. It provides you with one constant: Obama is still great. And if we fucked up, we still fucked up with good intentions so more of the same failed policies will always prove our moral superiority and compassion — no matter how many people it hurts.

    Yesterday you were crowing about Obama’s recovery with the American people if Perry takes it.

    Days before, Bachmann was the whack job that was going to take it.

    Huntsman was so sensible (read: ineffective pussy), even you would vote for him.

    And of course Obama was a lock after OBL was killed through the shear power of his courage and intelligence. (But the picture of the “war room” in reality depicting Hillary yawning, and Obama preparing to sneeze was wonderful propaganda).

    I think it’s Romney. I have all along. But R, you’re ups and downs, backs and forthes are enough to make a man sea sick. You really need to unplug MSNBC for a week and detox. Liberal analyzing and lecturing on conservative strategy is less than mental masturbation.

  298. Rutherford. I never called Bachmann my candidate of choice. I simply defend Bachmann like I do Palin from your Fat Granny quality lies and innuendo. Remember, I’m the one who said that Bachmann was a better candidate than I initially thought she could ever be – so I have proof I never thought much of Bachmann to begin with. She’s typical of most politicians – delusions of grandeur. Still, I think she’s pretty well spoken – it’s just what is spoken is hollow.

    And still, either Palin or Bachmann would be superior to the jug eared Kenyan, because most anybody would be superior to the jug eared Kenyan. Zero and his staff are a nightmare, not worthy of any respect and certainly not worthy of your adulation.

    You’re now trying to defend Zero as a “centrist” as tacit criticism because every other defense has failed. You think of yourself as perceptive? If Zero was just further left, all would be swell? That’s not a rolling floor moment. That’s a gagging reflex moment in front of the toilet, violently lurching while on the knees.

    And even on their worse day, I can assure you Bachmann and Palin are infinitely smarter than Monaco Zira, the missing link. I feel the need to put a bag over my head with two eye slits I’m so embarrassed. Foreign diplomats have to think they arrived at the freak show on arrival at the tarmac.

    I was just giving my honest take on the debate. Pretty worthless. Like Huck, I’m warming up to Herman. Thought it might be interesting to have an adult conversation instead of rehashing about how much damage you and yours have done to the country in less than three years.

  299. Christie has no legacy of outrageous crazy ass quotes to overcome.

    AGW proponent and Sohail Mohammed – ties to HAMAS. Christie would sink like a stone – no, a boulder. Steve Emerson called it, ““a disgrace and an act of pure political corruption”.

  300. I have to tell you, I never heard of the radically deaf. Unbelievable.

    This Solar Panel scam has to rank as one of the most disgusting and depraved examples of Presidential corruption in American history.

  301. I’ve warmed up some to the group of Republican challengers. I also think I’ve lowered my standards, but that’s nothing new. I can’t just not vote.

    Eh, I still like that Bachman ran. Good for her. She’s no less suited for the Presidency than Biden was up there in ’08. I thought he had some nerve mixed with a delusional streak too.

    Romney it is. Him being a stiff is something for his wife to contend with, it’s not reason enough for me not to vote for him

    “Yep. But the 1 reason to elect him trumps all of the reasons not to.? -Huck

    Yep.

    “I have to pick my battles and compromise. The things in which I hold a conservative view tend to be more important to me than the things in which I hold a liberal view.” -Huck

    Yep again.

    A quick rewind to the mocking of Chaz. Well. It’s kind of hypocritical to get riled up and judgmental about that on a blog with more than one very vocal Christianophobe. But. The scorn did bother me a little.

    Chaz Bono had an fashioned penis surgically attached/grafted? to her body and took in male hormones. Evidently she was terribly unhappy all her life. I want to know only one thing. Is she happy now?

    As far as the root of gender, of sexuality, goes – to me she’s gay. She’s not a man.

    I’m waiting for Smirky Plouffe to give the President the go-ahead on supporting gay marriage. When the going gets tough, the principles get refashioned. Well, at least the left won’t have to hold their noses and give the President a pass on it anymore. He’s so mean.

    “I love hearing Tex bemoan Bachmann.” -Rutherford

    Better that than electing her for wanting to be a part of history.

  302. While I appreciate that we have similar views on the deaf community, Pfesser, you did say one thing that I think needs some clarification from me.

    Nobody knows he’s deaf. He’s a beautiful, thoughtful young man with a bright future – not that of the typical congenitally deafened adult – functioning on a third-grade level and working in a laundry.

    I guess I have two problems with this statement. First, my gripe with the “deaf community” is not that they are unashamed of being deaf. I don’t think being deaf or physically disabled is anything to be ashamed of, or anything to hide. So the fact that nobody knows he’s deaf is irrelevant to me if it’s viewed as some sort of value statement (vs just a matter of fact). My problem with the radical deaf is they think the alternative to not being ashamed of their deafness is to deny that it is a disability. As you say, it damn well is. You can acknowledge that you are disabled, that it is a pain in the ass, and that you do what you can to compensate for it.

    Second, I do think you overstate the case with the third grade level comment. That might have been true 30 years ago but nowadays severely deaf children grow up to be very productive adults. I had a colleague back in my corporate days at Acme Anvils who was severely deaf, very hard to understand verbally, but was a master at lip reading and did quite well for himself. A lot has to do with catching the deafness quickly at an early age and then immediately aggressively providing clinical intervention.

    I think the radical deaf confuse self-acceptance with self-denial.

  303. Grr. I thought I inserted dividers between topics. Also Huck got an unintentional questionmark thrown in at the end of his quote. 😦

  304. Gorilla, that’s priceless. I don’t how the hell you find these things, but you could set up a clearinghouse and charge for a subscription.

  305. Mindless Elizabeth “Che” Warren makes the typical, drab argument for class warfare – zzzzzzz:

    http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2011/09/23/elizabeth-warren-and-the-perverse-robber-baron-myth/

    Then an argument by Milton Friedman destroys Ms. Che’s theories and her history of America (never appreciated Milton in college like I should have). And Rutherford, Poolman and the other mindless economic hacks that frequent this board. Listen very, very closely from the 6:00 mark on and especially at the 7:00 minute mark and 9:00 minute mark, so you can finally overcome your handicap of not understanding why capitalism isn’t a zero sum game and Ms. Che’s game is.

  306. There i9s a lot I’ve had to deal with in the war on terror. Most of the things I never wanted to see, were things I just had to, like Nick Berg. However, occasionally, you come across those things that make you seriously question human nature.

    Funny as hell, and probably not what PeTA intended…

  307. Hey you know if we are going to start posting videos of people laughing about others being killed while we watch it all on the screen, then can we get some equal time? I’m sure there are loads of videos of Muslims taking pleasure in killing people. Who here thinks they would be funny?

    Or maybe some bloopers of US friendly fire? Wouldn’t that be a “priceless” laugh-riot, Tiger?

  308. Huck, you can blow me.

    You will never get me to worry about the sensibilities of terrorists. The fact that you do is really fucked up.

  309. Hey you know if we are going to start posting videos of people laughing about others being killed while we watch it all on the screen, then can we get some equal time? I’m sure there are loads of videos of Muslims taking pleasure in killing people. Who here thinks they would be funny?

    Yeah, because mocking people who are so gleeful at the idea of killing civilians who don’t subscribe to their death-cult is the exact same thing as watching those same people fulfill the deepest desires of their black, black hearts.

    Did you bump your head?

  310. Rutherford –

    I say that nobody knows the young man is deaf just to illustrate that the implant has been so successful that it has changed him completely from a deaf child to a hearing one. It was not to imply there is anything wrong with being deaf or anything to be ashamed of. His speech therapist discharged him when he was five or six saying, “If you close your eyes, you can’t tell his speech from that of a normally hearing child.” So the comment IS relevant, but not the way that you ass-u-med. No offense meant, old man, but the other posters’ comments about your immediate knee-jerk liberal-type reactions are valid sometimes.

    As for the third-grade comment: when his parents sought help after he was found out to be deaf, the father was adamant to have a stone-cold assessment of his capabilities. That is what he was told by the audiologists: “Of course everybody varies, but the typical congenitally deafened adult will top out at about a third-grade reading level and will write on that level. Their math skills will of course be better. They will typically, even with education, work in a menial job their whole lives.” Not my quote – hers.

    re: Chaz’s being a dyke versus a transgender. They are two entirely different things.

  311. There you go Huck. You and Poolman. You’re in good company. Wouldn’t want to hurt the terrorists feelings because it’s just a point of view. Take it from a self-loathing, anti-Semite. It’s just a point of view.

    That’s a pitiful equivalency.

  312. I want to know only one thing. Is she happy now?

    Well, that is an interesting question, isn’t it?

    While we might never know, regardless of what she might say about it, I’m going to guess the answer is if “yes”, not for long.

    I remember when the gays were angry that they couldn’t “enjoy” the benefits that “straight” people got with marriage, and wanted to have those benefits accorded to them.
    In states like mine, that meant that the accommodating legislature enacted a registered domestic partnership law, not dissimilar fromthe civil unions enacted by some states.

    And predictably, once they got it, it wasn’t enough. And for the most strident among them, the only acceptable answer is the redifintiion of an institution that has been the bedrock of society for centuries, despite the fact that their success in this would only mean that we would have to call such unions something that they are not.

    Calling it marriage is no more a recognition of reality than a woman who takes male hormones and gets a cosmetically created penis. She might dress like a male. She might have the trappings of a man, but the very nature of what she is is female. And while this self-deception might satisfy for a time, the fact that cannot be escaped over time is that it is a facade.

    Much like one is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts, a person isn’t entitled to their own reality, and they certainly aren’t entitled to force me to pretend whith them, no matter how “nice” my doing so might be.

  313. Well said BIC.

    Because men like Rutherford are spiritually empty without any foundation of truth but how they feel, it follows that they will attempt to justify that truth is relative to the individual — and that all values, beliefs and lifestyles are equal.

    Rutherford confuses legality with morality, never understanding why some things are right and some are wrong. I’ll bet you money Rutherford couldn’t answer the question why we have objective standards of truth, which he has managed to “fog” most, if not all of his entire adult life.

    But you’ll note his outrage at those who can. And that to is predictable.

  314. That’s a pitiful equivalency.

    Put it in perspective…

    What is it about terrorism that suddenly requires us to spend our youth’s future “defending” ourselves from “them”? 9/11? Hype?

    What “justifies” taking the “war” to them? The us vs them mentality we are pitted in time and again. Who is right here? Somehow it’s okay if it’s their civilians we kill and their homes we destroy. Apparently their lives have less value than ours and all our precious stuff.

    Ten years of beat down over unproven allegations. Still in gear. We have established MANY MORE enemies with our FP. But we sure got some “intelligent” and pricey weaponry! 👿 Good for business.

    So what makes this “terrorist threat” worth dumping all our rights and assets? Pride? Revenge? Media hype? Was it the death count?

    Look around. Our roadways kill over 30,000 annually in the US. Our healthcare system kills over 40,000 annually in the US. Guns kill over 30,000 annually in the US. Where’s the outrage? Right. Good for business.

    How many Americans die annually as a result of Arab terrorists, real or alleged?

    Now what were you saying about equivalency?

  315. “Now what were you saying about equivalency?”

    Terrorists blowing themselves up is not only funny, its just rewards for their efforts. So unless you are in favor of terrorism, stuff a sock in it. What you’ve said is meaningless.

  316. Of course, there is that niggling little matter of intent.

    Our soldiers do not go with the intent to kill civilians, even the ones the brave jhadis hide behind in schools and hospitals, or the ones that willingly shelter the brave, brave jhadis.

    It just isn’t the same as the jhadis who see nothing wrong with hijacking an airliner and flying it into a skyscraper, or parking a car bomb in a crowded market, or strapping a bomb to their chest and walking into a disco, or arming up and entering hotels and killing people willy-nilly.

    It just isn’t the same, and your willingness to pretend that it is disappoints me to no end.

  317. It just isn’t the same, and your willingness to pretend that it is disappoints me to no end.

    Dead is dead. Killing is killing. You want to argue intent? When you bomb a country and send in armed troops, I think that shows intent. Maybe it depends rather on who washes your brain?

    What about contempt for the Norway assassin? Is it because you share the same enemies?

  318. What “disappoints me to no end”, is how anyone in the legal profession can so totally ignore the rule of law when applied to others deemed “enemy”, “terrorist”, “combatant”, or “threat”, by the so called “authorities”. I have held a false assumption, that they basically respected law. My bad.

  319. But Poolman thinks nothing of the killing in abortion? I suppose that is to be excused? Where’s your moral outrage over China butchering 10MM female fetuses a year Poolman? Where’s your outrage over irrational Jew hatred, or Palestinians indoctrination of their young. Are the Jews something less than human?

    To receive criticism of moral outrage from a man that signs Planned Parenthood petitions? Who cavorts with the butcher of Fat Grannies – so repulsive, even Rutherford rejects them as hate filled. Spare us the platitudes Poolman.

    Intent means everything …BIC and Tigre are right and you are wrong. Nothing new about that.

  320. I understand that soldiers have to dehumanize people in order to do what they are asked to do. I get that.

    But pussies sitting on their fat asses in the safety of their living room doing it while they openly take pleasure in witnessing human suffering and death is reprehensible and is no different than those who celebrated our suffering and death on 9/11.

    I promise there isn’t a 1 of you that is more disappointed in me than I am of you.

  321. Intent means everything …BIC and Tigre are right and you are wrong. Nothing new about that.

    Intent IS everything. I wholeheartedly agree. The only way the lawyers are right is if they agree to injustice. A double standard.

    And you’re right, too. There is NOTHING new about that.

  322. I understand that soldiers have to dehumanize people in order to do what they are asked to do. I get that.

    Brainwashing. Why is this okay? Who decided this was okay? Programming hatred and curtailing compassion only aids evil. It suppresses one’s conscience. Living this way is detrimental to being human. Here is one result…

    Still, the military’s suicide problem — fueled by the strains of repeat deployments to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan — shows no signs of abating. In 2010, 301 active-duty, reserve, and National Guard soldiers committed suicide, up from 242 in 2009. In 2008, the military’s suicide rate exceeded that of the general population for the first time ever. All told, more than 1,000 military personnel have taken their own lives since the start of the two wars.

    http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0811/081511nj-army-suicides.htm

  323. The only way the lawyers are right is if they agree to injustice. A double standard.

    Ehhh? What’s that? I can’t hear through all the blood of the unborn children that’s splashing all around us. But hey, there’s nothing wrong with that, because its (sorta) safe, (not so) rare, and (questionably) legal, right?

  324. Huck, I only wish I could have witnessed McVeigh blow himself up instead of the Murrah building, or one of the hijackers die a horrible death burned inside a plane rather than hit one of the buildings.

    I would take immeasurable satisfaction in watching one of the Nazis lock himself in the “showers” and find himself gassed instead of the innocent Jews sent there to die. You would.

    I just lost all respect for you because of your false equivalency.

    And I know you don’t care.

    Neither do I.

  325. It’s a matter of perspective BiW. “Perspective,” even from those don’t share it, is the measures all acts. No matter how heinous or evil, perspective excuses.

    It’s why I keep an eye on my children.

  326. But pussies sitting on their fat asses in the safety of their living room doing it while they openly take pleasure in witnessing human suffering and death is reprehensible and is no different than those who celebrated our suffering and death on 9/11.

    Blow me.

    I sincerely mean that.

    We’re talking about people who train with the express intent to kill people for the crime of not accepting and submitting to their peodphile prophet and his moon god. People who would separate your head and its lofty ideals from your neck if given the opportunity, regardless of whatever plattitude you might seek to utter about understanding their perspective…unless they decided to make you prove it by strapping a bomb to you and having you become a splodeydope for Allah too.

    They do this incognito, rather than put on a uniform, which would force them to prove their courage by taking fire before they decide to cash in their 72 raisins. And they deliberately target civilians, with the intent to cause terror.

    There’s a word for that: EVIL.

    Am I going to chuckle when those who design to do evil meet Satan sooner then they planned, and before they kill and terrorize? Hell yes. And if you think that implying that I am coward for not being horrified when those seeking blood find misery and death on their own rather than inflicting it does anything more than call attention to your moral nearsightedness, you are sadly mistaken.

  327. they openly take pleasure in witnessing human suffering and death is reprehensible and is no different than those who celebrated our suffering and death on 9/11

    Huck, I’m going to take it that something has you in a twist, because that is simply an irrational statement to the nth degree. Those are people who are actively trying to kill us, including our children. They’d kill you if they got a chance.

    The fat ass part, maybe. But I’m generally parked in the bedroom.

    And my wife is going to blow a gasket when she gets home tomorrow. Because I dropped chocolate ice cream on the spread and tried to “wash” it out, then dry it ‘on air’ in one of those commercial dryers at the laundromat. 😡

    The comforter looks like somebody ran an acetylene torch over it. Gulp. It’s like trying to stretch a child’s coat over Shaq. I put that on the bed and all I could think of was “I’m dead.”

    Rutherford, if I don’t show up tomorrow, it’s because I’ve been brained with the cast iron.

  328. Ladies and gentlemen once again my God forsaken cable modem has died. I am limited to reviewing comments and commenting on my iPhone. Tech guy will be out on Sunday. I am royally pissed. 😦

    Carry on without me in the knowledge that I am lurking and will toss in a comment or two over the next 36 hours. May the farce be with you!

  329. Ehhh? What’s that? I can’t hear through all the blood of the unborn children that’s splashing all around us. But hey, there’s nothing wrong with that, because its (sorta) safe, (not so) rare, and (questionably) legal, right?

    Is it okay to cherry-pick the laws you like and those you don’t? But let’s play abortion like a wild card to shut down debate. Nothing revolutionary there. The fact that I have stated more than once that I abhor abortion doesn’t fit your handle for me. Sorry.

    I wasn’t aware the blood of the unborn influenced your psyche so much. Are these potential foreign or domestic citizens, or both? Is it all the unborn or just the never will be born you hear? If the latter, are they the ones whose life God terminated or someone else terminated? If the latter, do you think it was their destiny to go from womb to paradise or did man veto God? Yeah, it’s too bad they can’t get to experience this just and compassionate world we’ve prepared for them. The potential for exploitation down the drain…

  330. Hucking, I’m sorry for emotionally picking sides from the safety of my house. Since I am not in the combat zone, I should express no joy when my countrymen, friends and family successfully eradicate an enemy who believes the slaughter of women and children will bring them paradise.

    I am also deeply embarrassed over Americans publicly celebrating the death of Osama and Hitler.

    Forgive us because we don’t have your perspective and your unique perspective on humanity.

    #tags: wiki; model UN, ivory tower,

  331. poolman –
    Thanks for the CSNY video, “Teach.” We are not the people we used to be. Somewhere after WWII we lost our way. It used to not bother me at all, and I figured as I aged I would get even tougher about it. Not so.

    What bothers me even more though is the callousness of folks like some who post here, who gaily dismiss the suffering of children who hurt just like mine and bleed just like mine, justifying it by the thinnest of logic. It just strengthens my resolve that the ReBiblicans must go.

    We have to regain control of our government and especially the military-industrial complex.

  332. Yeah, but Dresden was ok?

    There has never been a super power more concerned with eliminating civilian casualties nor a people more sensitive and aware of the tragedies that arise out of war. Never.

    As far as servicemen being “brain washed” as the Arizona Copperhead claims, that one has been around since Arizona Copperhead’s generation decided to spit on the troops. No biggie.

    Hey, if you think we don’t care about kids, let’s sponsor a child as a blog.

    Damn. It won’t work. The Dominionists run those charities.

  333. Yeah Pfesser, you’re a real bleeding heart, demonstrated most aptly by you bragging about dragging that niece of yours down to the mill to have her baby dissected in her womb against her parent’s wishes in secret.

    You’re an anathema to the Hippocratic Oath and a disgrace to the community in which you earn your living. You’re not fooling anybody but the retardation of Fat Grannies, and deserve to be destroyed. In good time…

    But you’re right about one thing Pfesser. We certainly have changed, and weak men like you have played no small part. 70 years ago, the foolish like you would have been considered an abomination to America. You would have been rightly scorned by a better society.

    But in 1948 correlating exactly as you said shortly after WWII, when an incredibly liberal SCOTUS which had been packed with the New Dealers of FDR, the United States led by a godless Klan member like Hugo Black ran this “wall of separation” up the flag pole, and we begin to remove every bastion of morality and goodness from the public square. It led to a corruption of our courts with people like you and Madalyn Murray O’Hair having a loud voice – a voice which you do not deserve. Though few in number, it’s a voice backed by godless judicial fiat, which has helped lead to the ruination of public schools, lack of respect for authority, violent crime, abortion on demand, the destruction of the family unit, and finally a hardening of the hearts. Don’t mourn that which you help create superstar.

    So I ask a phony, cutthroat bastard like you again Pfesser, show me these atheistic good works of yours as you attack us for our misdeeds and hardheartedness. Same goes for you Pharisee Poolman, idiot extraordinare. Each day you two come in here to bait us, and I discount you both even further. Something only worthy of mockery and derision, without an ounce of personal edification in either of you.

  334. You might even worship at the altar if you had a marriage as good as mine heathen. You think you’re fooling anybody superstar with your tales of world achievement?

    My wife is the air to come home to her lazy husband. Her last text message said, “Can’t wait.” Doubt you receive the same “doctor” as you plug in the Hustler tape to get it up.

    If I have created any destruction, it was only against self and the only person hurt was me. Your trail led the entire family down hell’s path. Kids enjoy it when you dissed their mother – an indicator you’re not much of a judge of character as you failed in the most important relationship this side of heaven?

    I wonder how many people you hurt with your dysfunctional attitude over the years? You don’t read much like Ozzie and Harriet. The porn get you or did you need to step it up a notch and direct?

  335. “My wife is the air to come home to her lazy husband. Her last text message said, “Can’t wait.”

    Maybe that wasn’t meant for you.

    Just sayin’. You know, the gals get a little wanderlust from time to time when their husbands discard all their maleness and just lounge about in idleness. They lose all respect and, well, sometimes things happen at work.

    Don’t worry about it though; you can’t miss what you can’t measure.

  336. the gals get a little wanderlust from time to time when their husbands discard all their maleness and just lounge about in idleness

    🙂 Well, there is no doubt my “maleness” may not be what it once was. But I’d rather lounge in idleness than patrol the lounge for rogue nurses.

    See Pfesser, if you had a real relationship instead of medical trophy wife and play doll, you might understand a few things – (1) love; (2) trust; (3) functional family. I would wager a large sum of money you don’t measure up in any of the three – speaking of Snooki and the made for TV Virginny family.

  337. Dresden? How about Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

    PF who here gaily dismiss the suffering of children who hurt just like mine and bleed just like mine? If you are referring to the terrorist, those aren’t children just like mine. If they’re like yours, you got bigger issues than just than just your usual braggadocio.

    I gaily dismiss the suffering of those that gaily pursue the suffering of my children. And Huck, you and Poolman apparently find that shameful. No wonder you hang out at Fat Grannies. They’ll accept your twisted logic that allows you you to self-righteous indignant terrorist sympathizer.

    Yep. We need guys with your intellect and moral judgment comprising all of the juries. 🙄

    Now go get Palin. That’s an important endeavor and will probably get you laid too. Go get ’em! And don’t forget those children of hers, especially that retarded one. 🙄

  338. Joe McGinniss’ book on Klondike Kardashian is available now and is amazing. Just excellent. What a good writer! Entertaining, funny and…

    …largely unsubstantiated gossip and innuendo. In otherwords, fiction.

    You know its nothing more than polipornfantasy for the irrational when even the NYT is “meh” about it and the author makes some very interesting admissions in an email to the now discredited author of a million little pieces.

  339. There’s a re-run of Hogan’s Heroes playing right now as I wait for the football game to start.

    I’ll try not to laugh. I wouldn’t want to harm our dignity by gaily dismissing the human suffering that it parodies.

  340. I’ll try not to laugh. I wouldn’t want to harm our dignity by gaily dismissing the human suffering that it parodies

    😆 Tigre, as the Mexican said to me while trimming my tree, “Senor, you a funny man Tex…”

    I’m sure Poolman stood up and applauded during the matinee showing of Schindler’s List.

    But nearly as galling as Dr. Kevorkian lamenting at Fat Grannies and here about the callousness of conversation anymore. You want to read something truly gut wretching, take a stroll a couple of weeks back and read the spew as he mourns at the incivility of dialogue with the female equivalent named Donna. Recapturing America from the Rebiblicans? Dominionists take over? Another shot at Trig and Bristol Snooki?

    I used to think the butcher just had a really twisted idea of humor, until I figured out Jack Pfesser was serious as an M.I.

  341. @ Huck: I’ll add my online condolences to the others regards your cousin.
    @DR congrats I sincerely wish you well. I’ve debated telling you in the past that I’ve said a prayer or two for you as you faced your modern day Job like trials. Again best wishes.
    @ Huck again. Not to discount my previous but I looked at the vid embed finally and I have to say I think you’ve overshot the runway bro. I guess I understand your point to a degree but unless I saw the wrong one I fail to see the call for the humanitarian indignation the exchange created.

  342. Re. Warren. Seeing as I sit on the turf of this particular battle I can tell you it is one weird show.
    There is a credible field for the (D)s yet the out of state machine and I have to include the media in that are all in for Lizzie.
    I actually accept how party politics sidesteps the People many times but this is just too funny.

  343. Tigre not for nothing but back in the day “Hogan’s Heroes” did generate some controversy. CBS had to gamble on whether people would laugh at a Nazi POW camp and particularly if Jews would be offended.

  344. Look, how we deal with our enemies is tricky business. I haven’t watched the video yet but I get Huck’s outrage. It is human and natural to want to see our enemies suffer. That doesn’t mean it is an expression of our best selves.

    My co-host Sandi wondered aloud if the public celebration of Osama’s death was unbecoming. My mind was truly split. On the one hand I felt she succombed to liberal insanity. On the other hand seeing the crowds cheer did make me a bit queasy.

    Devil or no devil (BiW) it’s complicated.

    P.S. You will all soon learn what a lousy speller I am now that I am limited to the iPhone WordPress app.

  345. In retrospect, I guess I gave too much credit to the military for dehumanizing “the enemy”. It seems (from the comments here) to start much earlier in the lives of our youth. Many of these prejudices are established in the home.

    When I was a kid, we played war games often. I had armies, weapons, and G.I.Joe paraphernalia. The Germans or Russians were “the enemy”. The media and market continually promoted and reinforced this.

    Today, war games are much more alluring, realistic, and sophisticated. Yes, “complicated” is apropos. We have focused them on a new “enemy” – Arabs and Muslims (preferably Arab Muslims) labeled “terrorists” or “jihadists”. Even our kid’s coloring books reinforce the narrative. 👿

    The good guys always wear the white hats and will win in the end. Uncle Sam is the “saint” constantly involved in eradicating evil in the world. American exceptionalism. America, a Christian nation. The American Dream. Blah, blah, blah. Lies. Damn lies.

    There really is little difference between us, if you can get past all the lies. Good and evil exist in both camps, it’s that one camp has a bigger blow horn.

  346. I loved “Hogan’s Heroes” back in the day. It promoted the “stupid” Germans and “smart” allies meme. I don’t recall any mention of Jews in the sitcom, though I was really not looking for it. I guess I did not equate the POW camp to the concentration camps. On stage is usually very different from reality. I remember Hogan (Bob Crane) had a very controversial off-stage life. His murder here in 1978 still remains unsolved.

    We had plenty of “politically incorrect” shows back then. Watching them now makes it easy to see the common held prejudices they promoted. I was watching “Little Black Sambo” cartoons recently. Anyone remember those? The story themes generally aren’t bad, but the stereotyping of blacks was a bit denigrating.

    It’s similar to how we portray the “enemy” and “undesirables” today in the media. I’m certain this generation will look back, if we are afforded time and grace, and see the MANipulation™.

  347. Poolman, do you know that your screams would briefly turn to a horrifying whistle as they behead you.

    God you’re a moron.

    I bet you jerked off listening to that Iranian asswipe at the UN the other day. He recited your shit word for word.

  348. “I fail to see the call for the humanitarian indignation the exchange created.”

    Really? You can’t understand how Huck finds no difference between cheering the deaths of civilians trapped in burning buildings from terrorists killing themselves in their attempt to kill others? 🙄

    (sarcasm off)

    R, go watch the video. Frankly, the funniest thing on their is the Jihadi prancing around tip-toed with a Charlies Angels’ grip on his gun (let’s move it up to the 70s).

    Even though I know you want to so you can pretend to lay claim to some moral high ground, if give credence to the stupid equivalency Huck did I’m going to start taking hostages.

    Feeling and attempting to invoke pity for terrorists failing in their mission. Give me a fucking break. Sickening really. Just pathetic.

    Not for nothing, the fact that Poolman and PF tried to pile on speaks volumes about their “POV.” Please don’t join them.

  349. Re: Hogan’s Heroes — Poolman forgets the suffering of the Nazi Soldiers who died in the sabotage of those heartless POWs. 🙄

    FWIW, the actor that played the character of LeBeau (sp?) was in a concentration or his family was, I’ve forgotten.

    Poolman, how about those poor Nazis? I’m sure you were disgusted.

  350. “Feeling and attempting to invoke pity for terrorists failing in their mission. Give me a fucking break. Sickening really. Just pathetic.”-Tigre

    Fuck yeah its sickening. Imagine if the whole country was populated with Huckings?

    I suppose we would be a conquered people.

    I thought the video was mildly funny. Although I personally don’t like viewing rounds blow up on the jihadis, only because I don’t care for seeing violence when I don’t have to, I’m glad that they did. I presume they were aimed at my countrymen.

    I suppose Hucking is disgusted when our Marines are yelling aggressive “Fuck You’s” and “Fuck Yeah’s” when dishing out some asskickery to some jihadis either.

    While testosterone and aggression can be problematic, to a great extent, it is still needed to be effective warriors.

    That is something that leaky breast professors will never understand.

    Hucking’s imaginary proposed army of self reflective fembots, constantly sharing perspective, just wont get the job done.

    I also think videos like that are important to counter the internet jihadist propaganda. Showing the enemy looking like clowns is old school but effective.

    Who knows. Maybe that video stopped one guy from joining the stink beard baby killers?

    Ah….. professors. You got to love um.

  351. Oh and the usual PF and Poolman piety they peddle over at Fat Grannies on any and all subjects to feed their egos. 🙄 Puke.

    And Huck, sitting on his fat ass behind a computer monitor dishing it out. Double puke.

  352. Ah yes, Corporal Le Beau was played by Robert Clary:

    “Clary was the youngest of 14 children. At the age of twelve, he began a career singing professionally. In 1942, because he was Jewish, he was deported to the Nazi concentration camp, Ottmuth. He was later sent to Blechhammer, Gross Rosen, and finally Buchenwald where he was liberated on 11 April 1945. Twelve other members of his immediate family were sent to Auschwitz. Clary was the only survivor. When he returned to Paris after the war, he was ecstatic when he found that some of his siblings had not been taken away and had survived the Nazi occupation of France.”

    And to think he mocked the Nazis and parodied their deaths in the train explosions and redirected bombing runs orchestrated from a POW camp. . .

    (okay, okay I’ll quit. It’s just that Huck really let me down on this one — I believed better of him).

  353. Rutherford that isn’t what I meant by my earlier but seeing as the host has offered an angle that I can pretend to be political here we go….
    Not the 60’s but lets ramp it up a notch,also partly due to “he who should be ignored” chimed in with some crazy shit.
    Good Times or Cosby or both or neither?????

  354. Puh-leeeeze….Someone put up a link for the fat grannies/whatever the real name is site…I got to check this thing out.You all talk about it…I feel like I’m missing out of something,context if nothing else.

  355. Just google “margaret and helen blog.”

    It’s an interesting place; most of the old posters have abandoned it except for when the owner posts, having retreated to another blog. The premise is that it is a personal communication place between two old ladies who are oldest/best friends. That may or may not be true.

    The owners – or at least one of them – are liberal and pretty sharp-tongued. They drive arch-conservatives around the bend, hence the fascination some from this blog have with them. Kind of creepy, really – like that older kid with bad teeth that keeps hanging around your daughter.

    Some nice folks there, some not-so-nice. Some really smart gals, some political operatives, and poolman of course. Occasionally folks will adopt a new alias, run in and make an ass of themselves and get banned – once again – but for the most part the moderators are hands off anyone who can remain reasonably civilized in their criticisms.

  356. Wow I did not know that stuff about Robert Clary. Makes his participation in Hogan’s Heroes kinda poignant.

    I never really cottoned to HH as a kid because the whole POW thing went over my head and I never understood the plots. Like most folks my fondest memory is of Sgt. Schultz — “I know no-thing, no-thing!”

  357. I never really tagged Obama has crooked, up to now. But, as the details of what that bastard did with my son’s money……man, its indefensible.

    Hundreds and hundreds of millions of stimulus dollars went directly to the business investments of political backers. And, I have a feeling we are going to learn of even more.

    WTF?

    How can anyone be cool with this?

    How anyone can back another stimulus after this is beyond me.

    Obama just didn’t innocently blow our tax dollars like most sane people knew he would. He used the money for his shitty politics.

    He is corrupt. Big time.

  358. Good Times or Cosby? Tough question. As you might guess I lean toward Cosby for its portrayal of an upper middle class black family. Before that rich black meant bufoon George Jefferson. Good Times was more of the same–poor black folk with cartoon Jimmie Walker. But I’m sure many thought Good Times was more realistic.

    Trivia fact: my mom went to college with Esther Rolle. They weren’t friends but my mom remembered her as quite thin. I don’t know when she blew up.

  359. Occasionally folks will adopt a new alias, run in and make an ass of themselves and get banned – once again – but for the most part the moderators are hands off anyone who can remain reasonably civilized in their criticisms.

    Alfie, Fat Grannies is whorehouse of political liars of the lowest sort, virtual idiots without original thought who link to the same tired sites, and a few rank propagandists, with absolutely no collective knowledge of anything political – or anything of value for that matter, except for one or two older gentleman; only heaven knows why they stay. Unless you like target practice, don’t bother. I venture over their once or twice a week to piss the militant atheists and PDS types off when bored.

    Then when they ban me, I just change my IP address to piss the author and her groupies like Pfesser off some more. Doesn’t have anything to do with being civil – has to do with mocking the narrative with a combination of inconvenient facts and a taste of their own nasty medicine. I think it is beginning to wear on the hag who pens it, because the posts are becoming less and less frequent. Everybody now posts with Title as “Anonymous.” 😆 And that was the goal – to break up the party. Apparently, it worked to a degree.

    Some man hating gash writes a post once or twice a month, which collects these geriatric harpies and a strange types Christian hating jackboots like Pfesser and Poolman, who then lick the toes of the author. Child like idiocy – think Yeller Dawg. Huck called it Dear Leader types and that is a perfect description. It borders on cult like.

  360. maaan…Early 70’s Fripp and Eno kick ass while reading about Ancient Egypt.

    Can picture the birds eye view of Thutmose III marching out of Egypt to meet the Canaanites in battle.

  361. That’s pretty in your face shit at 493, rabbit. What a country, eh? Turn those loopholes into government teats. Come to mama.

    On the bright side, if they’re paying per child, you’ll see less abortions, though that practice will exert a greater cost on society in the long term.
    ____

    This is a cool site. I was going to post “rabbit in distress”, after the 476 post, but it upset my wife so I decided to tone it down.

    http://waterandwoods.net/2008/09/wild-animal-sound-bytes/

  362. “Tigre not for nothing but back in the day “Hogan’s Heroes” did generate some controversy. CBS had to gamble on whether people would laugh at a Nazi POW camp and particularly if Jews would be offended.”

    R, my understanding of the controversy was that HH was ispired by Stalog 17, a dramatic account of WWII POW’s. Kind of like trying to make a sitcom spinoff of “Saving Private Ryan” or “Enemy at the Gate”.

  363. “I, for one, am sick of gamers relishing killing zombies. This dehumanization has to stop.”

    I here tell that zombies love eating brains for dinner. Poor guys would have gone hungry at the GOP debate the other night.

  364. Morgan Freeman on Obama –

    I am very surprised by his assessment, and I think he is blatantly wrong.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/09/23/morgan-freeman-obama-has-made-racism-worse-tea-party-will-do-whatever#ixzz1YnWDliVr

    I see it all the time: if you disagree with my policies or my opinion, you are improperly motivated, uninformed or frankly stupid, racist, ad infinitum ad nauseum. I am currently reading Juan Williams’ new book, “Muzzled,” where he devotes basically the whole book to the analysis of the death of civilized discussion in America.

    Rutherford, I think you are uniquely qualified to comment; what is your take on this?

  365. @494 I liked both back in the day and it was funny I could bring it up in the e world within two days of having the discussion in the real world. My real world discussion centered on me having the opinion that TV today wouldn’t want a Good Times even with Tyler Perry being the falsely anointed one.My discussion also looked at that from a socio-political standpoint GT was better on a couple of points.

    @489/95 thanks,if I have time I’ll check it out primarily for context.

    @500,you find Freeman wrong right? If so I agree and so does Herman Cain. I also like Juan Williams I count him among a group that offer interesting points to explore along with S. Steele and J. MacWhorter.[sp?]

    Hogans Heroes was originally written to be bout an civilian American prison. The idea was panned. It was then rewritten in the WWII setting. Its biggest concern originally was being seen as making too light of hardships faced by Americans at German POW camps. Overt violence was intentionally left out although a train blowing up or a factory etc. leaves one to guess.

  366. This is a serious question PF:
    What is the point of your comment #501. I’m not trying to be obtuse here. It’s just that other than Flynt being well…Flynt I don’t get it

  367. Alfie – right – I think Freeman is way off base. He is clearly an intellect; I really enjoy his TV show, but he is a child of the ‘sixties and ‘seventies, and it would appear that he has absorbed the dogma of those days and does not question it.

    re: 501. The way to get to the bottom of anything is money. It would appear that Flynt believes that Perry’s righteousness is a sham and he wants to bring him down. Yep, that’s Flynt for you.

    Maybe he’s heard of the Dominionists. My guess is yes.

  368. Since I didn’t go to church this morning, I’m may as well make this morning all about me.

    37 years old.

    225 16 reps bench 17 and 18 with spot.

    Unbreakable, motherfuckers…………

    hitting better then ever, this year. More power. Playing basketball in the morning has made me faster.

    No roids. Just creatine.

    an oldie from last year, but goodie…

  369. Alfie, you’re conversing with Larry Flynt in shrubs there. As immoral and equally empty…it’s just to bait – ignore him like we do Larry Flynt.

    Morgan Freeman used to be one of my favorite actors – I guess he still is, but now I’ll have a hard time watching him. Loved him in ShawShank Redemption; one of the best performances I’ve ever seen in Hollywood.

    But Morgan is married to his step granddaughter – he’s 74, and she’s 29. Screwed up the entire family, upon the divorce from the wife. Freeman is obviously twisted and demented, as are most loyal Obamaists.

    Now, I’ll have a hard time looking at Morgan and not seeing Woody Allen.

  370. You might think of Larry Flynt as a useful idiot – except I’ve met him and he’s no idiot. Flynt caused the resignation of Congressman Bob Livingston during the impeachment trial of Bill Clinton by offering just such a reward. My sources in the porn community tell me that it is pretty well-established by credible sources that our Boy Perry is a real perv, and has used government assets in pursuit of, well, assets. It’s just a matter of time until someone outs him. Another one bites the dust. After Bachmann and her “pray away the gay” husband finally decompensate, we can get serious about fielding a real candidate against Obama.

    We were told in third-year psych that it is axiomatic to shrinks practicing forensics that almost all really serious sex crimes will be perpetrated by those with at least some period of extreme religious orthodoxy in their past. An old friend is a prosecutor in southern WV; she told me flat out that, if she wants to know whether someone is guilty of a sex crime, she just looks to see if they are regular churchers – especially some of the crazy Pentecostal sects. If so, 99% of the time, she has her man.

  371. Interesting discussion. Here is what “The Scientist,” a well-established and well-respected scientific journal has to say about it:

    “Over the years, many scientists have investigated the link between pornography (considered legal under the First Amendment in the United States unless judged “obscene”) and sex crimes and attitudes towards women. And in every region investigated, researchers have found that as pornography has increased in availability, sex crimes have either decreased or not increased.”

    ……

    “Looking closer, Michael Goldstein and Harold Kant found that rapists were more likely than nonrapists in the prison population to have been punished for looking at pornography while a youngster, while other research has shown that incarcerated nonrapists had seen more pornography, and seen it at an earlier age, than rapists. *What does correlate highly with sex offense is a strict, repressive religious upbringing.* (emphasis mine) Richard Green too has reported that both rapists and child molesters use less pornography than a control group of “normal” males.”

    Be a religious nut; rape a child. The evidence is there. If these people live next door, watch your little girls and boys carefully.

  372. @511 That is an oversimplistic cheap shot kind of comment and I fear for anyone under the care of physicians taught by the idiot. I’ll return to expand

  373. Those same evil Christians who are planning a theocratic junta are also responsible for 95 percent of all sex crimes. Holy shit!

    I should have guessed that!

    Thank you Pfessor.

    I will stay vigilant.

    Pfessor, do you have any tips on how to fight evil Christianity?

    Perhaps I should convert to a Celtic Wiccan?

    I already have the bad tattoos. I only need to get my nipples pierced.

    Will I get my marching orders after the Winter Solstice?

  374. Overly simplistic? No, it’s a *summary* of the research. Summaries are by definition SHORT.

    The whole article is available online, but don’t confine yourself to one book, like the biblical types do. These findings have been confirmed in study after study. Just google it up; the data is everywhere.

    I actually had an X-ray tech work for me many years ago who was abusing his children in that way. Sonofabitch – he had been on my boat, eaten at my house, played softball with me on a league. All the while he was doing the most unspeakable things to his kids. I had noticed they were afraid of him but thought it was because he was a disciplinarian. Had no idea what he was doing. Sonofabitch.

    Turns out he had been brought up a strict Mormon and all his childhood had the hell beat out of him for “sinning.”

    A regular churcher, (quel surprise!) he also had confessed his crimes to the pastor in his church, who “didn’t think it needed to go to the police.” The church ended up paying a lot of money to the natural mother.

    Those with an outlet for their sexual tension, who aren’t so damned repressed, enjoy their sexuality without guilt and without hurting others. The repressed, religious types are a constant danger to others around them. Having testified in many trials for my friend the prosecuting attorney, I was well aware of this; I watched those people carefully and never let my kids play with theirs. I’m pretty experienced now; I keep a weather eye out for that type.

  375. re: “Perhaps I should convert to a Celtic Wiccan? I already have the bad tattoos. I only need to get my nipples pierced.

    Will I get my marching orders after the Winter Solstice?”

    No, spring and fall are the celebratory times. I am clearing the deadfall out of part of the woods on my property so my kids and grandkids can put in a motocross bicycle path, so I am constantly building large brushpiles. We have begun celebrating Samhain and Beltane every fall and spring and having a bonfire. My stepdaughter knows many of the ancient chants by heart. The little ones love it. Come on by; we always have a great time. Lots of beer consumed in good cheer!

  376. Oversimplification? PF has a friend that’s a prosecutor in WV that said she’s “got her man” if their religious zealots. 🙄 He has friends that have the goods on Palin too. PF has anecdotal evidence to support everything he says. He even had stories of juries that rejected his testimony because they admitted they ignored the evidence. 🙄

    Anybody see a pattern here?

    What a crock.

    So R, what were you saying about PF’s allusions to religion?

  377. Tigger –

    “PF has anecdotal evidence to support everything he says.”

    How true. But it shouldn’t be surprising – when one has actually *lived* his life, he has innumerable experiences to draw upon.

    When you have done *nothing* you don’t.

    Not that I give the reddest of rat’s asses what you think, but here is the case I am referring to:

    http://www.childpro.org/ldscases.htm

    James Adams. The first one. The last I saw him was about ten years ago; I think he’s still in Mt. Olive Maximum Security Prison, outside of Charleston, WV.

    Any more smart-assed questions? You see, I don’t *need* to make anything up, since I have done more in my life than you ever would if you had twelve.

    (Perhaps if you need to illustrate something, you could ask your wife. Maybe *she* has accomplished some things beyond blog-hanging-on and you could draw on her experiences for your “anecdotes.” Works for Ko-Tex Piss Ant, maybe for you, too.)

    Cordially,
    PFesser

  378. Pfessor, I would probably be big hit at your heathen party. My people were the last true European pagans in Europe.

    Lithuania was the last country to convert to Christianity, and my family’s remote village, in particular, was the last place in Lithuania to convert. I’m talking up until the 19th century.

    My Mom’s side is Polish-Lithuanian……Polish people who lived in Vilnius. They were Catholic for a long time.

    Talking about your family tree is like talking about a dream you had last night. Nobody gives a shit. Boring.

  379. “I don’t *need* to make anything up, since I have done more in my life than you ever would if you had twelve.”

    The shit you’ve “done” has rendered your man card null and void, friendo.

    I sometimes forget I’m talking to a guy who brags about going behind his own brother’s back and paying for an abortion, despite the brother’s views.

    I don’t give a damn what your stance on abortion is. Or Christianity.

    As someone with 4 brothers that really sickened me.

    You brag about your “coal miner” roots when you want to remind us how tough you are.

    That shit aint right, man. I remember reading about that and going to sleep thinking about my own brothers.

    We have differing opinions on many things. Hell, we fist fought into our early 30’s.

    I have a brother who thinks its funny he had to pay for a few of his abortions. He once gave his season tickets to a woman because she agreed to have an abortion. Sick shit.

    But he would never, ever do something like that to me.

    We respect one another’s kingdoms. In fact, my same baby killer brother would beat some serious ass if he heard somebody did that behind my back. And he’s one of the best ass kickers I know. 6 ft 4 and knows how to dance. Dude can box.

    I have a slight feeling like I’m talking about something that’s none of my business. But, since you posted about it, I guess its free game.

  380. Holy crap. Tex has captured actual footage of the Dominionists. Amazing!!!!!!!!

    What a rare find. Fascinating. Tex, I’d watch your back, man.

    The Dominionists don’t play.

    I once had one invite me over for dinner in, ironically, Virginia of all places. He was a coworker of mine when I lived in Chesterfield.

    His wife cooked a nice meal and they asked me…….hold on….this is fucked up and I am quivering…if I’d like to go to their Pentecostal Church with them the next Sunday.

    It was horrible.

    What did the Dominionist do when I politely declined?

    Get this shit. We talked football and his wife served dessert.

  381. Pfessor, I volunteer Poolman for your sacrifice on “Samhain”. I’m sure he’d be cool with that. He’s accepting of everything.

    As for me, I’m going to celebrate Samhain watching the Detroit Tigers win the World Series. We will probably burn shit down here, too.

  382. I didn’t say you didn’t have a connection to a case involving molestation. There’s a damn good chance that almost everyone that comments here has.

    Is your prosecutor friend also the investigator, or is she the one that seeks the indictment? In either case, she wouldn’t either ethically or actually be looking to the religiosity of the accused to ascertain guilt. Although you probably would, the problem with what you’ve said is that it just don’t work that way.

    I love when you talk about all of your worldly experience when it comes to legal matters. The problem is that you don’t really know what you’re talking about so the bullshit is obvious to those that do.

    In any event, my firm has had a number of cases through the years that involved allegations and issues related to molestation. Thinking back on it, I don’t recall any of the accused being particularly religious. Perhaps there was one, but it was hardly some common thread.

    Incidentally, my wife is Catholic. I don’t need to ask her whether priests in the Catholic church have molested kid then report it to you to make a point. You on the other hand would tell us you know a priest that says they are taught to molest kids in the seminary because the bible tells them to — but he let you in on the secret.

    The best part about you telling us how much you’ve done in your life is that even if true so much of the stuff you report here wasn’t part of it.

  383. Thanks, bunny. I’ll pass.

    I just had to bury my own dead rabbit.

    Last night when I went out to feed the bunnies I noticed “Honey Bun”, the domestic wasn’t her normal rambunctious self. She was just laying there lethargic. Normally she’s pulling lettuce and carrots away from me as I am trying to put them in her hutch.

    Today she was just laying around kind of glossy-eyed. The food I put in there last night was untouched. I took her out of the hutch and just put her in the grass. She perked up a little and I thought she was going to come around. I even went around plugging holes to make sure she couldn’t get out of the backyard.

    About an hour ago I checked her and she was gone. Stiff. I had to dig a hole and bury her. No more domestic bunny. This one had an interesting history, too.

    I think she must have had a heart attack when I played the “rabbit in distress” audio clip. 😯 It’s the only explanation I got. 😐

  384. “I think she must have had a heart attack when I played the “rabbit in distress” audio clip.”

    I suppose its possible. Do you think it heard it?

    Knowing the way you think, I’m surprised your not implicating me in the Rabbit’s death.

    Coincidence. They do exist, you know.

  385. How many Rabbits do you own? Do you eat them? I grew up with and still friends with a couple families from Malta.

    I don’t know if its a Maltese thing, but both families raised rabbits in the garage to eat. I always found it kind of gross.

  386. I had my volume up, so the “rabbit in distress” was pretty loud. Like I said, it bothered my wife. The rabbits are out back, probably 20 feet from my office/computer, so they heard it. Good ears, you know.

    After 7 years of life (I guess that is long for a rabbit), I think she was an old fart. This was the same rabbit that jumped in the deep end of my empty pool at the last house and survived. I don’t know if I told that story here or not.

    I don’t raise rabbits for food, though that might happen given the dire economic circumstances. I know people who do, but I’m not fond of eating them. A German friend of mine use to raise them and guinea pigs for eating. His dad would skin them and clean them and they had them for dinner. He had a “board” that he killed and skinned them on. As a teenager, I remember the screams were pretty intense. It was part of normal life there, just like slaughtering pigs and cattle. Living was less “sanitized” those years I was there. You knew where your food came from. I still have a souvenir rabbit foot somewhere, if the cats didn’t destroy it.

    Rabbits are supposed to be the best protein for the least cost compared with other farm animals raised for food.

    I have rabbits since I rescued a wild cottontail, a baby the size of a tennis ball, seven years ago from inside a drained swimming pool. She grew up and the domestic was a “playmate” we got to keep her company. All was well until we caught the domestic chewing the wild bunny’s ears. Then we had to separate them, but they were always side-by-side in their hutches.

  387. R, my understanding of the controversy was that HH was ispired by Stalog 17, a dramatic account of WWII POW’s. Kind of like trying to make a sitcom spinoff of “Saving Private Ryan” or “Enemy at the Gate”.

    Thor, you may well be right.

    P.S. Internet service is back and burning up the wires. I better stop bragging before it goes down again. 😦

  388. Now, I’ll have a hard time looking at Morgan and not seeing Woody Allen.

    Glad you said that Tex … that was the first thought that went through my mind when you brought the May/December/sorta-incest romance to my attention. I haven’t followed your links yet and am having trouble believing this story is true but then hey, anything goes in Hollywood.

    Regarding Freeman’s attitude toward Obama or the Tea Party, don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater. This is the same dude who famously said Black History Month was a waste of time.

  389. Can you imagine if Saudi Arabia didn’t let blacks (pick your race) drive cars?

    There would be huge music festivals protesting this.

    Bumper stickers.

    Hollywood actresses would plug the injustice on Leno.

    Wrist bands.

    Economic sanctions.

    It would play a huge role every semester in Huck’s model UN.

    Its amazing how sexist the world still is.

    And, you can’t dismiss it as “cultural” unless you’re willing to dismiss racism as cultural too.

  390. One last comment from me before I call it a night.

    I do have to chuckle when you guys (other than PF) mock the “dominionist threat”, not because I find the threat all that imminent but because you guys won’t acknowledge that neither the dominionists nor the Sharia law proponents have ANY chance of making inroads in this country.

    When it comes to dominionism or Sharia law, we Americans just don’t roll that way. Fear of either is irrational IMHO. But if we’re gonna get our panties in a knot over Sharia, then by golly we better watch out for the Christian pro-theocracy bunch too. Fair is fair.

  391. Rabbit, I consider that entire part of the world surreal (Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, etc.)

    Sorry, but give me good old fashioned America and Europe (e.g. Italy, Spain, France, UK, etc.) any day. It’s called being civilized. 😐

  392. It’s amazing how many women throughout the world are the victims of apartheid.

    Why is race so much more important then gender?

    The signs in S.A. are Jim Crow rip offs.

    Can you imagine the backlash towards Starbucks if they denied service to blacks anywhere in the world?

    Whats the icing on the cake?

    Our resident professor, the one guy who would be fighting tooth and bloody nail about South Africa in 80’s, spends his time here essentially defending apartheid. And he is one of thousands of on college campuses!

    Ladies of the world….good luck.

  393. Hey Pusser? I noticed your pal was a porn producer. You hire him superstar? Help him produce and direct? Larry Flynt, smart man? I thought you told us porn was a harmless vice?

    Thought these porn producers were the most outstanding, upright with which you mingle? Is that where you met your wife? Gold chains, hot toddy in hand, and the distended beer bellies humming glory days of medical school with all your conquests of wannabee female doctors? Did they take karate with you?

    Shouldn’t you be living up with the little time you’ve got and quit wasting time on a blog – especially the Fat Granny blog? Is that where you’ve made your best blog friends, because you sure aren’t making them here? I wouldn’t define it as making an ass of yourself – more like trying to garner adulation with your false humility, tales of achievement and greatness. I don’t think it is working superstar. 😉

    I wonder if those sound porn producers you’ve befriended will mourn your passing?

    If you weren’t perhaps the most vile and vapid person I’ve ever read, I might be able to work up some sympathy, because you read fucking miserable. Truthfully, unlike your tales of adventure and greatness, you read a pretty pathetic man – not terribly content and amazingly troubled, with the only thing you’ve got to cherish, your job.

    Like Larry Flynt…a man so smart, he resides paralyzed in a gold plated wheel chair and sits in his own piss.

  394. My MIL always brings over Islamophobic terrorist garbage she gets in the mail or off line. The media she watches spews it. The organizations, supposedly Christian, sending her the propaganda are raising the fear level. She is paranoid. Muslims are out to get her. They want to do all kinds of things to her and cut off her head. 🙄 Sounds like most of you guys.

    It’s just like the McCarthy era.

  395. “But if we’re gonna get our panties in a knot over Sharia, then by golly we better watch out for the Christian pro-theocracy bunch too. Fair is fair.”

    Ha ha ha ha!

    Why, do you know of one repressive Christian theocracy on planet Earth that comes anywhere near what I’ve just discussed?

    One?

    Your analogy is ridiculous.

    There are probably a hundred wars going on as we speak to install barbaric Islamic theocracy, from the Philippians to West Africa.

    Perhaps the Vatican’s Swiss Guard is much more active then I realize?

    Despite your dumb headed thinking, your politically correct mental masturbation, no, I’m not staying up at night worrying about Sharia either, and I live next to the biggest Arab population outside the middle east.

    Rutherford, make no mistakes about it….you are a part of the whole “surreal” thing I was talking about.

    There is no comparison. Read it again. There is no comparison.

    100 wars, dude.

    A 100 wars to install Islamic theocracy.

    No wars to install Christian theocracy. None. Zip.

    By the way, the demographics on Islamic immigration here in America is totally different then in Europe. Europe needs to pay attention to Sharia, as their Muslims tend to be North African, ignorant and radicalized.

    We get more Doctors and liquor store owners. While it doesn’t rule out terrorism, most Muslims come here with the hope of becoming less Muslim, even if they don’t admit that.

  396. When it comes to dominionism or Sharia law, we Americans just don’t roll that way. Fear of either is irrational IMHO. But if we’re gonna get our panties in a knot over Sharia, then by golly we better watch out for the Christian pro-theocracy bunch too. Fair is fair.

    A false dichotomy. I don’t know where Dr. Druid dredged up this Dominionist bit. Even the Washington Post mocked these paranoid jesters like Dr. Druid as nuts, and that’s hardly a bastion of Christian sympathizers, being they’ve got a self-professed atheist Sally Quinn as their “religion” editor.

    Rutherford, your ignorance of the Christian community is legendary around these parts. Trust me, somehow you have developed this baseless opinion, because the biggest problem in the Christian community today is counterfeit Christianity. But I can’t find a place in the world where you have a Christian theocracy. Not one. In fact, in virtually all countries but a few with any Christian presence, Christians are the persecuted. Even the critics like you have to revert back to the Crusades and Salem Witch trials to find some mass sin of a Christdom religious nature.

    But sharia is no laughing matter, it is a clear and present danger all over the middle east, Africa, India, USSR satellites, and even in some suburbs of Europe and Australia. That doesn’t even include the majority of moderate Muslims living in fear every day of their lives. It’s not the Christians or Orthodox Jews those moderate Muslims fear.

    9/11 was but only one event of many produced by radicalized Islam the last two decades across the globe.

    And I called your conclusion a false dichotomy, because I predict one day if you live long enough, you’ll will find yourself surrounded and maybe a part of this witches brew of neopagan nihilists, militant atheists, black racists, secular, self-loathing Jews, and radical Islamists all under one umbrella. They all share one common trait. An intense hatred and fear of Christianity, and in a more subtle way, a hatred of Orthodox Judaism.

    Paradoxically, that describes a large segment of the Dimocratic party at present. The rank and file in which you will eventually operate may be closer than you think.

  397. When Barack Obama was sworn in as president in January of 2009, the London Daily Mail hyperbolically began its report by saying, “History was being made up there on the hill and the atmosphere was so electrifying that it took your breath away.”

    These days, Obama is taking your breath away rather more literally: “Obama Administration Set to Ban Asthma Inhalers Over Environmental Concerns,” Mark Hemingway of the Weekly Standard notes.

    Though as Jim Geraghty of National Review quips on Twitter, “Think of how much smaller the U.S. carbon footprint will be without all of those asthma sufferers around.” It’s certainly one way to cut down on all those bitter clingers out there in flyover country.

    Under ObamaCare, if you like your health plan, you probably won’t be able to keep your health plan. Similarly, if you like your inhaler, you may not be able to keep it either.

    But your next of kin will have Al Gore and Barack Obama’s never-ending gratitude, so you’ve got that going for you. ~ Ed Driscoll

  398. The Obama administration has just released a document called “Living Within Our Means and Investing in the Future: The President’s Plan for Economic Growth and Deficit Reduction.” If you’re curious about the first part of the title — “Living Within Our Means” — Veronique de Rugy pointed out at National Review that under this plan debt held by the public will grow from just over $10 trillion to $17.7 trillion by 2021. In other words, the president’s definition of “Living Within Our Means” is to burn through the equivalent of the entire German, French, and British economies in new debt between now and the end of the decade. You can try this yourself next time your bank manager politely suggests you should try “living within your means”: Tell him you’ve got an ingenious plan to get your spending under control by near doubling your present debt in the course of a mere decade. He’s sure to be impressed. ~ Mark Steyn

  399. Poolman, a simple, hypothetical question(s) for you American haters – say like you and the “Reverend” Barry Lynn:

    The Reverend Barry Lynn, of the U.S. campaign group Americans United for Separation of Church and State, said U.S. soldiers ‘are not Christian crusaders, and they ought not be depicted as such’.

    He added: ‘Depicting the Iraq conflict as some sort of holy war is completely outrageous. It’s tremendously damaging to America’s reputation in the world.’

    If all of this is true as you say and your charges are valid, and the headline of the article could read George Bush and Don Cheney’s Last Crusade, and our Imperialist war machine went to war under the guise of establishing a Christian theocracy or committing to a Holy War in the Muslim world to destroy Islam as you suggest,…

    …why is it that the after the tally of five years of Iraq war and three years of relative stability after we won the unwinnable war, that the Arab Christians are being so persecuted for their faith in Iraq? Far more so than before Saddam was deposed.

    You keep coming up with more and more outrageous articles of accusation of American brutality and Islam persecution, and yet the easily measured results of immigration vs. emigration continue to suggest just the opposite is happening vis-a-vis your accusations.

    And my second question is, you Obama voters of 2008 voted for a man that promised to bring peace to the Middle and restore America’s reputation throughout the world. And yet that hasn’t happened either as our reputation still lays in tatters in the Middle East and in fact we now rate worse than three years ago in most predominantly Muslim countries, and now we have even alienated our allies in Israel and Eastern Europe since the election of the man of peace.

    Since Obama doesn’t allow biblical literature in his briefings unlike Bush, shouldn’t we have seen some measurable improvement since those awful O.T and N.T. verses were stricken from the meetings?

  400. …why is it that the after the tally of five years of Iraq war and three years of relative stability after we won the unwinnable war, that the Arab Christians are being so persecuted for their faith in Iraq? Far more so than before Saddam was deposed.

    It was unwinnable and we won? Really? I know Christians are being persecuted more in Iraq now than when Saddam was in power. Who’s to blame there? We’ve achieved our objective which apparently wasn’t to free the Iraqi people. We installed a parliamentary system of democracy.

    The “Crusader” ideology was used to primarily conquer and prepare for capitalist exploits in the name of “free enterprise” while ceding the governance to corrupt global management.

    Your second “point” regarding Obama is pointless. On his own, he has no power to change the course of this behemoth. NONE. You’re deluded in thinking he does. We are on the same path of destruction begun decades ago.

    You constantly throw his campaign statements up. It has been pointed out numerous times how far he has strayed from that path.

    But he’s at the helm now, and the big ass boat he’s in doesn’t steer from the helm. All he can really do is wave and turn the wheel to appear like he’s controlling the direction.
    ______

    I have to thank you all for learning as much as I have about sharia law. For those that repeat the same tired meme, it is probably good to read a little about a subject rather than merely repeat the common narrative. Though there are extreme interpretations and practices, they are not all so. Not unlike some extreme Jewish and Christian sects, abuses do occur. Often these are due to following one man’s interpretative guide along with choice passages of the religious text.

    Muslims believe sharia is God’s law, but they differ as to what exactly it entails.[2] Modernists, traditionalists and fundamentalists all hold different views of sharia, as do adherents to different schools of Islamic thought and scholarship. Different countries, societies and cultures have varying interpretations of sharia as well.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia

    Sharia classically recognizes only natural persons, and never developed the concept of a legal person, or corporation, i.e., a legal entity that limits the liabilities of its managers, shareholders, and employees; exists beyond the lifetimes of its founders; and that can own assets, sign contracts, and appear in court through representatives.[214] Thus, sharia has no native tradition of corporate law. This, combined with egalitarian rules of inheritance for male descendants (compare with primogeniture), hindered the concentration of wealth and the development of larger and more sophisticated enterprises, according to Timur Kuran of American Duke University, located in Durham, North Carolina. Prohibitions on interest, or “riba” also disadvantaged Muslims vis-à-vis non-Muslim minorities in accessing banks and insurance when these services were first introduced by Westerners. Interest prohibitions, also imposed secondary costs by discouraging record keeping, and delaying the introduction of modern accounting.[215] Such factors, according to Kuran, have played a significant role in retarding economic development in the Middle East.[216] Though, it is argued, the West caught up in the economic crises at the outset of the 21st century when many of the aforementioned economic policies backfired on a global scale and threatened to bankrupt entire countries.

    Sharia doesn’t work well for capitalists. That is probably the underlying and main reason for rejection by the west. Of course the beheadings, stonings, and women’s rights issues make for better airplay.

  401. Now, we can talk about arm-chair generals and the like, but that is a disingenuous- at best- effort to deflect from the simple point that there is one consistent theme to the primary terrorist threats facing this nation right now: Islam.

    You could call me Islamophobic if you like, which would be wrong by the way, but that does not take from the fact that the overwhelming preponderance of threat comes from that religion right now. There have been waves of ideologies that have used terrorism: Anarchists, leftists, racists, and now Islamists.

    Islam has issues. Of course, all religions do, but I don’t see groups of Christians going out and targeting other religious groups because they are different. That’s not to say Christians haven’t in the past, but can we please leave out examples some 1000 years old?

  402. “The best part about you telling us how much you’ve done in your life is that even if true so much of the stuff you report here wasn’t part of it.”

    Can’t even admit you got your ass handed to you, can you? Pathetic.

    Garçon! Menus please!

    No need to get one for the little lawyer. He’s having crow.

  403. “Of course the beheadings, stonings, and women’s rights issues make for better airplay.” -poolman

    Sorry about bringing up women’s rights. I shouldn’t have done that.

  404. Sorry – my bad. Here is the quote I meant to do:

    “I didn’t say you didn’t have a connection to a case involving molestation. There’s a damn good chance that almost everyone that comments here has. ”

    That’s better.

    rabbit –

    If you will indulge me in one more small “anecdote” I’ll tell you the rest of the story, although as noted previously I couldn’t care less what you or anyone else thinks; I make my own decisions.

    I spoke with the young lady in question about this very embarrassing part of her history just last year; her initiative, not mine. Obviously it had been on her mind and the time was right. She was very grateful that I had the resources and contacts to get her aborted way back years ago. She was mortified that she might have to tell her Dad she had gotten herself preggers, even though she was a college woman at the time. A little alcohol, a little party, a little immaturity and, violå! Blastocyst!

    She’s now in her late thirties, married with two daughters herself. Her husband never knew; her dad and mom never knew – and never will – and she never repeated her mistake.

    And all it took was $400 and a phone call to keep the little bastard from becoming a relative of mine. A good deal all the way ’round.

    Men control women world-wide by controlling their fertility. Abortion is but one tool the women now have in their armamentarium to free themselves from the bearded and the bigot. As far as I am concerned, pro-lifers are themselves the best evidence that abortion is a good idea.

  405. Under this logic, I’m only a sword away from freeing myself from several unwanted relatives. Great advice! I feel liberated already…

  406. “No need to get one for the little lawyer. He’s having crow.”

    😆 😆 😆 😆

    Hell of a victory there PF! 🙄 You refuted something I didn’t say! :lol 😆 😆

    Think on it. Maybe you can come back with a “Yo Mama” joke.

  407. I’ve just crushed this thread (my bad) with videos, but I felt a point needed to be made. Speaking of points, here’s another…

  408. “I don’t need to ask her whether priests in the Catholic church have molested kid then report it to you to make a point. You on the other hand would tell us you know a priest that says they are taught to molest kids in the seminary because the bible tells them to — but he let you in on the secret. ”

    Now WHO is it again that is accusing folks of things they never said?

    Look, you challenged your betters and got your ass handed to you. As they say, the first procedure when one finds himself in a hole is to stop digging. You should just be a man, admit you implied someone was lying and got it shoved up your nose. Wise up and then move on. Sometimes a little spanking is good for you – if you learn something from it.

    Along the priest line, you should tell your male children in Catholic school that they should never have sex with the priest. “Remember, if you have sex with the priest, you are having sex with every boy he’s had sex with.”

    Don’t thank me; I do it as a public service. No charge.

  409. “And all it took was $400 and a phone call to keep the little bastard from becoming a relative of mine. A good deal all the way ’round. ”

    WTF!!!!!!!!
    My apologies to the gentlemen on this board for my foul language which I have never used until I read that statement.

  410. “Talking about your family tree is like talking about a dream you had last night. Nobody gives a shit. Boring.”

    Unless your family tree involves Kenya. That “Trumps” all acts of foreign and domestic policy, even from the most powerful man on earth.

  411. I’ve seen a lot of talk about how Perry tanked in the last debate, which made this little video all the more interesting. Too bad he couldn’t pull this stuff up at the time- it would have been much more effective.

  412. “You should just be a man, admit you implied someone was lying and got it shoved up your nose. Wise up and then move on. Sometimes a little spanking is good for you – if you learn something from it.”

    I won’t imply dumb ass. I’ll say it:

    Your so-called conversation with the prosecutor to the effect that she decides guilt by religiosity of the accused never took place. That is a complete lie. You made it up just like you made up your so-called involvement with the jury that rejected your testimony for the defense. Remember when you got slapped around with that whopper?

    And tell us all about your testimony for your “prosecutor friend” in WV. I can only imagine the value or repeated testimony for your “friend” from another state. Must be one hell of a prosecutor. I think that’s a crock too.

    I never doubted you know a child molester PF! 😆 😆

    God. Talk about “stop digging.” 😆

    Victory! You won in your own mind. Kind of like all of your sexual conquests!!

  413. Raji, that PF’s a hell of a guy, isn’t he? Just ask him, he’ll tell you. 🙄

    Bragging about sneaking his niece off to have an abortion against his brother’s wishes. Incredible.

  414. “But let’s play abortion like a wild card to shut down debate. Nothing revolutionary there. The fact that I have stated more than once that I abhor abortion doesn’t fit your handle for me. Sorry.” -foolman

    Sure Emo. You abhor abortion. Is that, like, your position?

  415. Bragging about sneaking his niece off to have an abortion against his brother’s wishes. Incredible.

    Tigre, you’re looking at this all wrong.

    The real lesson here is that if you have someone who has become inconvenient, and you don’t want to be punished with them any longer, then you know who to call. Problem solved.

    #LemonadeFromLemons

  416. Tigre –

    Pretty embarrassing to suffer a Perry Mason moment at the hands of someone not even a lawyer, isn’t it?

    Maybe lawyering just isn’t your game. I know! Let’s have a spellin’ contest!

  417. Guess want hasn’t occurred to Dr. Druid after all this time? The fact the woman is still thinking about it. I doubt she volunteered that automatically, off the cuff, like what kind of coffee she had this morning. Bet she was putting out a few feelers with a profound sense of shame and guilt, looking once again to the butcher to help justify the decision, perhaps momentarily alleviating the deep wound. She hasn’t dealt with it, and neither could anybody else of conscience. Druid can’t help with the forgiveness part. Druid is the enemy of the only one that can.

    All Dr. Druid really accomplished is to postpone the real pain of his niece recognizing in a moment of clarity and when the night is still, she butchered her own baby with the help of wicked men.

    Can you imagine the level of deceit it takes to proudly relay that story once again? The high priest of New Babylon, putting newborns on the altar? Druid is a disciple of Baal and doesn’t recognize it. A useful idiot for Satan himself and a welcome addition to Fat Grannies.

  418. Gawd Pfesser, you haven’t won anything here besides contempt.

    You couldn’t school the Fat Grannies’ scolds. And you mentioned last night you think they’re intelligent. 😆 What side of the rainbow are you working now?

    Have another toddy Honus.

  419. Joe McGinniss’ book on Klondike Kardashian is available now and is amazing. Just excellent. What a good writer! Entertaining, funny and very, very sobering to anyone who thought Snowdrift Snooki would make a good VP.

    And it just may end up being a rich, rewarding experience…for its intended targets.

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/sarah-palin-threatens-to-sue-rogue-book-publisher/

    But I’m sure its the Dominiionists at NPR and MSDNC who have decided that this guy is so radioactive they don’t want to talk to him….

  420. Yep. Just excellent. And sourced to PF’s standard of proof:

    “The final work that was published contains most of the stories that Mr. McGinniss complains were nothing more than ‘tawdry gossip’ that amounted to the wishful fantasies of disturbed individuals,”

    They should’ve gone to PF’s unethical made-up prosecutor buddy in WV to source that rather than PF himself. 😆

    Do you think Palin’s attorneys know of PFs Alaskan blog network where they exchanged their “proof?” 😆

  421. I think Poolman is right. We do need to practice more tolerance for intolerance.

    Here’s some suggestions to help expedite sharia law peacefully into American society. Who can argue with this sharia compliant female?

  422. “I’ve seen a lot of talk about how Perry tanked in the last debate, which made this little video all the more interesting.” – Gorilla

    The CW from the pundits is that Perry really messed up in the last debate, but the latest CNN poll shows the Texas governor up by 7 points still. Maybe it’s going to take a “Road to Damascus” moment for the Mittster. Converting from LDS to evangelical Christian would be a fairly big flip-flop, but if anyone can pull it off it’s Romney.

  423. We get more Doctors and liquor store owners.

    More or less my point Rabbit. I’m not comparing the behavior of Christians (even “radical” Christians) to radical Muslims. I am making a statement about our country and I’m sorry dude, being afraid of Sharia taking hold in the US of A is pure melodrama. And you SHOULD be laughing at the Sharia alarmists the same way you laugh at the Dominionist alarmists.

  424. Could the angry narcissist finally be rising to the top?

    You’re too funny Tex. Obama just can’t win with you. One would think you’d get a kick out of his NOT pandering to his own. One would think you’d get a major kick out of his pissing off Maxine Waters.

    I truly think you spend your down time just concocting new reasons to dislike the guy.

  425. I’m behind on comments gang so if this has already been covered, forgive me.

    Question to “the panel” — WTF do we do about Pakistan? It seems clearer than ever now that they are no ally of ours. I find it shameful that what was once the greatest super power on the face of the Earth is afraid of a two-bit backwater country simply because they have nukes.

    I say forget taking out Iran’s nuclear capability. Let’s go hit the far more dangerous target … let’s eliminate Pakistan’s nuclear capability and then make sure they never produce the weapons again.

  426. “They should’ve gone to PF’s unethical made-up prosecutor buddy in WV to source that rather than PF himself. ”

    Tigger, you just won’t stop embarrassing yourself, will you?

    Look, counselor, man up. You tried to be a smart-aleck and you got your lawyerly ass kicked by a civilian. Most embarrassing. My advice to you is to just move on.

    And don’t take up trial law; stick with corporate stuff. Shuffling papers is about your limit of thinking on your feet.

    Onward.

  427. re: Palin’s suing of McGinniss

    I really hope she does. McGinnniss’ book sales were beginning to flag a little; now they are back up. And of course, in court there is no hiding behind Twitter or Facebook to mask one’s perfect stupidity or hide from the Press; the Real Klondike Kardashian will be on display to the world.

    That’s why she has never sued the “Trig Truthers.” She might have to produce a birth certificate or Kathy Baldwin-Johnson might have to testify, and at that point there might be a little denouement. Heh, heh…

    She’s done. As they say, stick a fork in her.

    One end-timer gone. Now on to Perry. This is the most fun you can have with your pants on.

  428. Sure thing PF. 😆 Sure thing. Another victory you made-up for yourself. 😆 😆 😆

    I think it’s time for you to take a break. You’ve said quite enough.

  429. WTF do we do about Pakistan? It seems clearer than ever now that they are no ally of ours. I find it shameful that what was once the greatest super power on the face of the Earth is afraid of a two-bit backwater country simply because they have nukes.

    They were a good ally we started f**king with. We’ve been trying to blame them for our failures in Afghanistan. If you listen only to western media, you find a campaign designed to paint them as evil and meddling. Really, we have been the major meddler for some time.

    This has been a good source for news regarding Pakistan. The English isn’t perfect, but it gives an alternate perspective not found in western media. I think it wise to hear from multiple sources before making any rash decisions. Not necessarily the American way anymore, I know, but we have really screwed the FP pooch.

    Shoot first – piece together reasons to justify shooting first later.

  430. Obama’s Heroic Fantasies

    I have written before about Obama’s deep, almost desperate, need to portray himself as the opposite of what he is, to conceive of himself in a way that is at odds with reality. We have seen it in all sorts of areas, including claiming himself to be a voice of civility, portraying himself as a champion of bi-partisanship, lecturing others about profligate spending, and saying he is the only responsible “adult” in Washington. Now we see this habit in a new arena – this time, the president as Obama the Stoic, a man so committed to “pressing on” for the cause of social justice he just doesn’t have time to feel sorry for himself. Indeed, he has now decided to sermonize to others not to complain, not to grumble, and to “stop crying.”

    This is akin to John Edwards​ hosting a weekend seminar on the importance of marital fidelity. ~ Peter Wehner

  431. Anybody think this is real?

    Looks photo-shopped to me, albeit a very good job. I don’t doubt he’s read the book among countless other “anti-American” titles, but this book image looks staged. The shadowing on the book varies somewhat from the shadowing in the rest of the image. My opinion, based on observation of the image provided. More photos in that series would shed more light (pun noted) on the subject.