In Defense of Rick Perry, Really

Every now and then liberals, white liberals in particular, bend over so far backwards to defend the down-trodden black man that they fall on their ass. One such case occurred this week with respect to a comment made by GOP Presidential contender Rick Perry.

Last week while visiting Rick Hill, South Carolina, Perry was asked about the civil rights movement. He commented that the country had made “great strides” in civil rights and now it was important to create an economic environment in which companies could succeed.

I first heard about this supposed gaffe when MSNBC’s Chris Jansing discussed it with Politics Daily writer Alex Wagner during a Matthews-less edition of “Hardball”. I have a major junior high school crush on Alex Wagner but that didn’t stop me from wondering what the heck was going on between the two of them and their outrage over Perry’s comment. Their assessment was that Perry was making a despicable comparison of Martin Luther King Jr. and the civil rights movement to making life easy for fat cat corporations. In so doing, they said, he was diminishing and disrespecting King in particular and blacks in general.

Then in preparation for writing this piece, I noticed that ThinkProgress.org similarly had their nose out of joint about the quote:

To compare the “struggles” of corporations who often pay virtually nothing in taxes to the plight of black Americans in pre-Civil Rights America is remarkably ignorant, even for Perry. Martin Luther King Jr. argued that economic rights for the poor were as essential as political rights, and was a great advocate for unions and the very anti-poverty programs that Perry believes are unconstitutional. While King fought for a living wage and more welfare for the poor, Perry fights for more corporate welfare.

via Rick Perry Compares Civil Rights Movement To GOP Fight For Lower Corporate Taxes | ThinkProgress.

Folks, it really is time to get a grip. There is no doubt that in many ways, Rick Perry is a horse’s ass. I would sooner move to Canada than vote for him. However on this point, he is expressing a very natural opinion for a pro-capitalism, laissez-faire economy politician. Let’s be honest. You can give a minority all the “rights” in the world but if they can’t find a job, then you really haven’t achieved anything, have you? Maybe I’m being naive on this one but I see Perry simply saying that after doing the heavy legislative lifting of the civil rights era, we now have to follow-up with creating an economic climate that employs Americans, all Americans. He explicitly said that folks need to know they can come here and make their dreams come true. Not too different from the words found at the Statue of Liberty: “Give me your tired, your poor/Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.” Notice the quote doesn’t say, “Give me your tired, your poor/Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free so they can collect unemployment indefinitely because there really is no opportunity here.”

It’s time we liberals stop seeing an attack on minorities around every corner. If we get the wax out of our ears and listen to what Perry actually said, we can see how what he advocates is an essential, albeit insufficient, ingredient to minority empowerment.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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435 thoughts on “In Defense of Rick Perry, Really

  1. Rutherford,

    You have hit on the essence of what keeps us bogged down and sinking. We hear what we want. Selective hearing is what it is.

    But pundits have to keep the “fight” going, regardless if there is a call for it or not. Sportscasting gets a little dull otherwise, and they’d be out a job. Then there’s the viewers, promoters, sponsors, etc.

    Next thing you know, you’ve added to the unemployment numbers because these are “jobs”. Precious jobs. The very pixie dust that makes all things right with the world. 😎

  2. It’s time we liberals stop seeing an attack on minorities around every corner.

    But if they do that, all they’ll have left is scaring old folks with entitlement threats to win elections. Because after three years, it’s damn obvious they don’t know how to run an economy or bring stability to the inner city community.

    You reap what you sow.

  3. The irony is insane.
    Perry makes a sound stump statement that is pretty true to reality,as R himself points out re freedom/employment.
    In fact in the embed I don’t get the ammo TP and Tingles runs off.
    On the flip side do we really want to open up the MLK Inc. thing?

  4. Perry makes a sound stump statement that is pretty true to reality bogus rightwing rhetoric, as R himself points out falls for re freedom/employment, in his rebound of disgust off the backs of the donkey kings.

    FIFY :mrgreen:

  5. Wow I don’t which tangent to shoot off in first.
    First of all I don’t think my statement needed fixing. Whether you agree with Perrys positions and statements (btw I don’t support Perry) your discounting of the point is childish.I’m not asking you to accept the position but from a logical standpoint Perrys comment was indeed sound. You further sully the point by going the partisan rhetoric route. Well duh! The right of center types kinda like the free enterprise thang.
    One could read your fix and assume you’re a radical anarchist socialist. I don’t recall you necessarily identifying yourself as such. Are you?

  6. “One could read your fix and assume you’re a radical anarchist socialist. I don’t recall you necessarily identifying yourself as such. Are you?”

    It’s worse than that. He’s a believer who can think for himself and not just spout the right-wing party line. Very dangerous.

  7. It’s worse than that. He’s a believer who can think for himself and not just spout the right-wing party line. Very dangerous.

    😆 No Alfie, I think you’ve about hit the proverbial nail on the head. I listened twice, and like you, I couldn’t even figure out what the beef was when I read the grievance.

    In this case, Rutherford is absolutely right. Freedom is great, but without opportunity, the message of freedom can ring pretty hollow.

  8. “He’s a believer who can think for himself ”

    Ha. He can think for himself? Dude thinks secret messages that forecast the future are found in cartoons and that America attacked America on 9/11.

    The fucked up thing is he parrots this insanity.

    So, no, he doesn’t even come up with it himself.

    Besides, Rutherford wasn’t agreeing with Perry. And Alfie wasn’t either.

    That wasn’t the fucking point, Dr.

  9. Pfessor, are you some kind of phony or what?

    In this instance, exactly what was said by Perry that doesn’t fit in with your libertarian views you claim to have?

    I know you fear Perry to be a Dominionist…. cough..err…..fair enough. Don’t vote for the fucker.

    To be completely honest, there is something I don’t like about the guy either. But, at this point, I admit it’s irrational. It’s in my gut.

    I’m damn sure not to going to shoot down everything the man says because the man said it.

    While Republicans never seem to come close to their own “right wing party line” once elected, why don’t explain to us all what was wrong with the Perry’s party line in the first place?

    I think your just throwing mud pies at the guy because he’s Christian

  10. I wasn’t *addressing* the fucking point, Bre’r Rabbit. I was speaking in the general, not the specific.

    I don’t agree with the Poolman much of the time, but one thing you have to say: he doesn’t come up with his opinions based on what is the furthest right or whether someone has perky titties. Give him that much; he *does* think a little about what he’s saying. THAT was the fucking point. Nothing else.

  11. OK let me make it really simple. My comment hadn’t a single thing to do with Perry, only the Poolman.

    As for Perry, everything I have heard about his fiscal abilities has been good. Other things scare the shit out of me. I’ll have more to say when I know more about him.

  12. The fucked up thing is he parrots this insanity.

    The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

    Got another mortgage? Money in the stock market? Pulling that “R” lever again at the polls? There’s always hope, eh rabbit? 🙄 How are those antlers holding out? 😉

  13. I don’t care where he gets his info.

    I assume the perky tits is a reference to Fox News et al.

    So, instead of Sean Hannity’s perky tits, he cuts and pastes from fringe web sites. I’m supposed to be impressed with that?

  14. think your just throwing mud pies at the guy because he’s Christian

    Correct. As with Oprah and Powell, race trumped gender and party, as both stumped for Obama.

    With militant atheists like Pfesser, hatred of Christianity trumps everything else.

    Completely irrational, but militant atheistic God haters always are. They spend their entire lives dwelling and arguing about something or someone that supposedly doesn’t exist. Twisted, to say the least and completely deluded.

    If they weren’t so vile, they could be pitied.

  15. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

    Is that why you voted for Obama and will be forced to again? Ron Paul won’t see the light of day. Take your pick – Romney or Perry vs. Obama.

  16. Did Perry say ANYTHING of value? I mean how many of the current shiny buzz words can one throw out there in one little sound bite moment? No substance at all. Ear candy for you sweet-toothed baboons.

    Let’s go back to the post about the insincere welcome mat. I see a market similarity, folks. Sorry your sniffers are all f**ked up.

  17. Well, if its the vague polished answers you don’t like, then I’m with you.

    On the other hand, Perry wasn’t asked to write a book. He was asked a simple question and gave a simple answer.

    The best thing we could do for the poor, according to Perry, is grow the private sector. You either agree or disagree…..but the man wasn’t being racist.

    Dude, you don’t vote for Obama and then come here and tell the Rabbit you don’t like shiny buzz words.

  18. Dude, you don’t vote for Obama and then come here and tell the Rabbit you don’t like shiny buzz words.

    Dude, are you still wiping your ass from the shit you took last week?

    I learned my lesson. The past is the past. I believed politics mattered and politicians gave a shit. I had thought, “Hey, some are even honest.” Man was I wrong. But I got over it. New day, new choices. Eyes wide open. I recognize the shiny bait. I’m pointing out the barbs, is all.

  19. “There’s always hope, eh rabbit?”-poolman

    You damn right there is always hope. What did you want me to do, tremble in the shower and then walk my wife to Planned Parenthood?

    Let me be real clear about my “hope”.

    It wasn’t given to me by Obama. Wasn’t given to me by Rush. Not by Fox or Rutherford or Tex.

    It was given to me by my country in the form of freedom. Freedom to crazy shit if within the rule of law.

    I can easily imagine a land where regular working stiffs like us aren’t even allowed to speculate in the markets because it just too “sophisticated.”

    Thank God, we still have the freedom to dumb shit.

  20. The best thing we could do for the poor, according to Perry, is grow the private sector.

    Explain historically where this has worked to help the poor.

  21. “I believed politics mattered and politicians gave a shit.”-poolman

    Most politicians are, by nature, ambitious sleaze bags.

    That’s the great thing about Democracy, it provides outlets to ego maniac, aggressive, power hungry motherfuckers that don’t involve blood thirsty armies that enslave us and rape our wives.

    Hell, every now and then, we even elect someone of decent character willing to make hard choices.

    If you find a better system, let me know.

  22. Explain historically where this has worked to help the poor.

    America 1900-2011

    Poolman, don’t blame your country or its leaders for your personal failures. Even sucking hind tit, you’re sitting in air conditioning tonight due to the private sector. And I believe your wife is now working too?

  23. Not only does Poolman have the right to say anything he wants without recourse about an America he claims is so murderous and evil, he gets to do it with technology that 70% of the world has no access to.

    He will never get the irony.

  24. Thank God, we still have the freedom to dumb shit.

    There are consequences for doing dumb shit. We all are responsible for our own. I’m good with that.

    But when the dumb shit is creating the Fed, or bombing other countries, or paying out tax money to support other nation’s terrorist defensive capabilities or pad their government’s coffers, I don’t consider that free or right.

    Freedom is a word that no longer has the same meaning. It’s a concept we confuse with irresponsibility. We’re as free as sea monkeys.

  25. He will never get the irony.

    What irony is that? Using the available technology to research and inform or allowing it to entertain and persuade me?

    Did you catch Bert and Ernie’s latest adventure?

  26. “We’re as free as sea monkeys.”-Poolman

    Funny, but I never remember my sea monkeys bitching every night online.

    Now, don’t get me wrong, I was hoodwinked to believe the could do stuff like that.

    Hey, I can respect not agreeing with the direction of the country.

    You live in the information revolution. Yet, your not empowered by it, you are a casualty of it.

    I was stationed on a tiny military base in Northern California. People like you would come up to me all the time and tell me what was “really” going on there. Aliens, nukes….you name it.

    The fact is, it was just a tiny radio station and a place where we could listen to the ocean. Nothing more.

    Put down the “choose your own adventure” book and get real.

    You are a part of the problem.

  27. “What irony is that? Using the available technology to research and inform or allowing it to entertain and persuade me?”

    The fact that the free market has improved even your lot and that this supposed evil country defends your right to make your ridiculous charges.

    Assad would have put a bullet in your head a long time ago.

  28. “He commented that the country had made “great strides” in civil rights and now it was important to create an economic environment in which companies could succeed.”

    That is actually not at all what I heard.

    I interpret what he said as more along the lines of…

    “…create an economic environment in which people, ‘regardless of cultural or ethnic background,’ could succeed.”

    In fact, if you listen to the words, he never even says the word “company” nor does he say any word that can even be interpreted as meaning “company.”

    I agree with Rutherford and others here. This is much ado about nothing. I think the only story here is how badly his words are being misinterpreted, whether purposely or not.

  29. Hucking, looks like Libya won’t be able to squeeze much crude out in the next year.

    Now, will you please lift your jinx on my oil bet and let it soar with the eagles so I can hoot with the owls.

  30. Huck you’re right that he doesn’t say “company” but surely you don’t think he wants to give “people, ‘regardless of cultural or ethnic background” less litigation, and less regulation? Those are factors that effect companies. His point is when you free companies to do “their thang”, the economic environment improves and everyone, blacks included, benefit.

    More in the next comment …

  31. I just finished my “radio” show a half hour ago and Sandi and I debated this quote from Perry. She makes the same mistake that Poolman makes. The question is NOT whether Perry’s approach would actually help blacks (i.e. does trickle-down economics work?). The question is was Perry being insensitive to blacks? The answer in my mind is a resounding NO.

    I could kick myself because I came up with a phrase after I had already published my piece that I really should have included in it:

    Rights don’t pay the rent.

  32. On the flip side do we really want to open up the MLK Inc. thing?

    I only learned a day or two ago about the MLK trademark bullsh*t. You’re right Alfie, at this point MLK’s legacy and big business are coming closer and closer together. 😦

  33. “but surely you don’t think he wants to give “people, ‘regardless of cultural or ethnic background” less litigation, and less regulation?”

    Those are the exact words that come out of his mouth.

    “Those are factors that effect companies.”

    What creates companies, Rutherford? Robots? Wild animals? Trees?

    He wants to create an environment so that anyone…and that is the key word right there…anyone can succeed in creating a company, and live the American dream.

    Listen to the words he says. He is clearly talking about individuals, not companies. Is he talking about things that benefit companies…sure. But they are also things that benefit individuals trying to create companies.

  34. “His point is when you free companies to do “their thang”, the economic environment improves and everyone, blacks included, benefit.”

    No.

    His point is that when you free people to do their thing, they will create companies and the economic environment improves and everyone benefits.

  35. I’m going to bed, but what do you think about Tex’s video?

    The exact same thing I thought the last time he posted it a thread or so back. Nothing has changed since. You made a comment regarding the blessing of AC, remember?

    You guys need to get rid of the elephant for your mascot, and get something a little more apropos.

    The cited Heritage Foundation is not a neutral source, so keep that in mind when analyzing how they present the data. Second, as I said before, the video doesn’t compare wealthy to poor, it compares all to poor households. That’s where most of the middle class slipped to over the past decade. Apparently some kept their appliances. And we all know appliances are certainly equal, right?

    What about all the street people stats? The non households? That is becoming a HUGE demographic.

    It does show just how materialistic we as a nation are and where we assign worth.

  36. Listen to the words he says. He is clearly talking about individuals, not companies. Is he talking about things that benefit companies…sure. But they are also things that benefit individuals trying to create companies.

    To Perry there is no differentiation between individuals and corporations, as long as capitalism is served. I haven’t seen any Republicans offer more than lip service to regular folks, other than Ron Paul who mainstream GOPers are afraid of. He is the only one with a record of sticking up for the individual over corporations and the banking cartel.

    My impression is that Perry seethes insincerity.

  37. Most of we learned in American history is, at best, a glorifying distortion of what really happened or a downright lie. It starts with the “discovery” of America. There were people here long before the Europeans discovered the Americas. The Pilgrims and the first Thanksgiving is mostly fiction. The history books make it sound like it was all a vast wilderness which is not true. The Pilgrims were welcomed by the native people who already had cleared the land and were farming it. There were towns and trails in existence. They taught the settlers about the native fruits and vegetables and taught
    them how to grow them. The settlers felt that they had a divine right to take what they wanted.

    […]

    I have a friend who was a history major in college and he tells me that when he graduated and began to do his own research, he found that most of what he had learned was wrong. These are examples of negative revisions of history and they continue to the present.

    I see nothing’s really changed within tribes for centuries.

    What puzzles me the most in all this is if the official history is the truth, why does it need to be defended by the power of law? What are they trying to hide? If Irving, Zundel, and the others are wrong, why not simply challenge their facts and conclusions. It is ridiculous that countries that claim to value freedom, still employ the thought police. Telling people what they have to believe under penalty of law is what we are allegedly fighting the Taliban to get rid of. The right to think for yourself and express your thoughts is one of the real freedoms we still have. I suggest that you exercise this right as much and as often as you can. If we are not vigilant, it could be taken away.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/08/28/revising-history/

  38. 1) I have no idea why folks engage him in the first place. I hate the racist shit with every fabric of my being.

    2) “I only learned a day or two ago about the MLK trademark bullsh*t. You’re right Alfie, at this point MLK’s legacy and big business are coming closer and closer together. – R

    This isn’t big business. This is a family that is trying to milk the name of the only one in their family to apparently do anything. I’m sorry, I don’t ever hear about the Kings unless it has something to do with MLK Jr. That says something.

    3) This is a pretty good post. I’m beginning to think that R is coming out of the liberal closet. I pretty much agree with R, and frankly, when the chips are on the table between Obama and whoever the GOP candidate is, if R is true to himself, I think he pulls the “R” lever. You heard it here first. Rutherford Lawson will vote GOP in 2012.

    Why?

    Because he’s too honest (in large part thanks to us) to ignore the failings of this administration. Yeah, he might think we throw firebombs all day long, but he can’t help but see that we’ve got a very valid point- this is the worst presidency ever. They say tragedies come in threes. We’ve had an earthquake, then we had a hurricane, next? How about the August jobs report…

  39. Now I know why why some of you guys can’t get out of bed at a decent hour.

    You don’t *go* to bed at a decent hour.

    Any of you guys work? Besides The Poolman, that is…

  40. PF, want to take on the question I posed in the last thread?

    R, this was an honest post. Good one. I frankly wouldn’t have thought you capable of writing it based on some of the you’re-a-racist-if-you-disparage-Obama shit that ate up the board when I first started commenting here.

    Poolman, you got something against prosperity, or do you only recognise it in others?

  41. I think this story needs to be retold…

    Two UCLA economists say they have figured out why the Great Depression dragged on for almost 15 years, and they blame a suspect previously thought to be beyond reproach: President Franklin D. Roosevelt.
    After scrutinizing Roosevelt’s record for four years, Harold L. Cole and Lee E. Ohanian conclude in a new study that New Deal policies signed into law 71 years ago thwarted economic recovery for seven long years.

    We constantly hear about how FDR saved the US from the Great Depression. Well, not so much, and following closely in his footsteps is BO, whose efforts to save us from the Great Recession looking more and more like prolonged misery than recovery.

    “High wages and high prices in an economic slump run contrary to everything we know about market forces in economic downturns,” Ohanian said. “As we’ve seen in the past several years, salaries and prices fall when unemployment is high. By artificially inflating both, the New Deal policies short-circuited the market’s self-correcting forces.”

    The policies were contained in the National Industrial Recovery Act (NIRA), which exempted industries from antitrust prosecution if they agreed to enter into collective bargaining agreements that significantly raised wages. Because protection from antitrust prosecution all but ensured higher prices for goods and services, a wide range of industries took the bait, Cole and Ohanian found. By 1934 more than 500 industries, which accounted for nearly 80 percent of private, non-agricultural employment, had entered into the collective bargaining agreements called for under NIRA.

    Cole and Ohanian calculate that NIRA and its aftermath account for 60 percent of the weak recovery. Without the policies, they contend that the Depression would have ended in 1936 instead of the year when they believe the slump actually ended: 1943.

    Roosevelt’s role in lifting the nation out of the Great Depression has been so revered that Time magazine readers cited it in 1999 when naming him the 20th century’s second-most influential figure.

    “This is exciting and valuable research,” said Robert E. Lucas Jr., the 1995 Nobel Laureate in economics, and the John Dewey Distinguished Service Professor of Economics at the University of Chicago. “The prevention and cure of depressions is a central mission of macroeconomics, and if we can’t understand what happened in the 1930s, how can we be sure it won’t happen again?”

    Government manipulation does not work. It didn’t work in the 30’s, it didn’t work at Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, and it certainly isn’t working now. May I remind the class that for 2011, our GDP growth has been… drum roll please…1st QTR .4% and 2nd QTR 1%. That’s not growth, that’s barely keeping your nose above water.

    And for the money quote:

    NIRA’s labor provisions, meanwhile, were strengthened in the National Relations Act, signed into law in 1935. As union membership doubled, so did labor’s bargaining power, rising from 14 million strike days in 1936 to about 28 million in 1937. By 1939 wages in protected industries remained 24 percent to 33 percent above where they should have been, based on 1929 figures, Cole and Ohanian calculate. Unemployment persisted. By 1939 the U.S. unemployment rate was 17.2 percent, down somewhat from its 1933 peak of 24.9 percent but still remarkably high. By comparison, in May 2003, the unemployment rate of 6.1 percent was the highest in nine years.

    Recovery came only after the Department of Justice dramatically stepped enforcement of antitrust cases nearly four-fold and organized labor suffered a string of setbacks, the economists found.

    “The fact that the Depression dragged on for years convinced generations of economists and policy-makers that capitalism could not be trusted to recover from depressions and that significant government intervention was required to achieve good outcomes,” Cole said. “Ironically, our work shows that the recovery would have been very rapid had the government not intervened.”

    Did you catch that R?

    “Ironically, our work shows that the recovery would have been very rapid had the government not intervened.”

    Can we please get off of the eeeeeeeevil capitalism shpeel and focus on the massive government anchor preventing the economy from growing? THIS is why Rick Perry’s economic line is so appealing to folks- it focuses on letting folks go instead of holding them down.

  42. “PF, want to take on the question I posed in the last thread? ”

    Glad to. Not sure which you are talking about. Can you restate it – succinctly?

    Thanks.

  43. That’s where most of the middle class slipped to over the past decade. Apparently some kept their appliances. And we all know appliances are certainly equal, right?

    Did they keep their video consoles too and give them to the poor? You either are too stupid to understand the video (likely, as math surely isn’t your think), or didn’t watch close enough to understand even if every ‘middle class’ person in America had slipped to the definition of working poor, most of the people in America today own the same basic appliances, air conditioning and entertainment equipment.

    In other words, America doesn’t know much poor…besides their savings accounts.

    As an example of how much has changed, measure the average sq footage of a home today vs. say 1965, then come back and tell me about poor.

  44. I’m usually up by 5:30-6:00 AM. There are things to see and places to go before I hit El Ruthbo’s. This is like the 15 minute break – with fast typing (and it shows).

    Gorilla, fixing the American economy would be so simple, Poolman could do it. We could “kill all the liberals”, impeach Obama and the Dimocratic Senate, and ship “RINOs” across the River Styx 😀 or

    Eleven things I can think of off the top of my head:

    – Fix the personal tax system with either a flat tax or consumption tax, eliminating the mortgage deduction over a period of 15 years
    – Cut about 50-75% of compliance regulation – most of it completely unnecessary and standardize the rules across all state lines.
    – Reduce the federal corporate tax rate to 20% and eliminate all loopholes and subsidies – every corporation pays the same amount, evening the field for small business
    – Begin to reduce the out of control entitlements gradually over a period of ten years
    – Welfare reform
    – Eliminate Obamacare, establish Texas tort reform, and open health insurance across state lines
    – Elimiminate the Depts. of HUD, Education, Transportation, Energy and/or immediately and adopt the 2000 federal gov’t baseline spending levels
    – Create new incentives for domestic energy production, including the creation making natural gas a feasible and logistical alternative for transportation.
    – Ban all corporate lobbying
    – Audit the Federal Reserve funded by Private Enterprise and corporations and adopt their recommendations of monetary policy
    – Every individual policy and adoption passed by Congress would apply to every member of Congress, and this would include all retirement and insurance proposals.

    I could not only balance our budget within two years by adopting all of these changes, bet I could not only slow the deficit, which is really what all of these new discussions do, but reduce a large portion of the debt.

  45. I was thinking last night of what is it our Federal Gov’t does well. I could come up with three:

    (1) Military – and it ought to be good for what we pay.
    (2) Safety regulation for airline, food, water and sanitation
    (3) National Parks.

    After that, I begin to draw a real blank.

  46. PF, here’ what I said:

    “3. (a) Do you agree with those religious leaders who say that America is a “Christian nation” or “Judeo-Christian nation?” (b) What does that mean in practice?”

    The real question is, “what does “Christine nation” mean in the context of [your] question?”

    Why? Because, PF, when you say “I want to know just how much their decisions as public officials are going to be informed by common sense and reason and how much by their ‘faith” you are a moving target. Virtually all of your references to politicians speaking of religion, faith or divine power, ends in “dominionism,” “theocracy” or some species of delusional/unfit to lead.

    So, while couched as a self-limiting exercise (i.e. “what does that mean in practice [to you]?”), it is the exact opposite. If I am mistaken, please tell me how that question could be answered to your satisfaction without leading to your usual conclusion.

    While you strangely deny your hatred of religion generally (Chrisitianity in particular), go ahead. Play devils advocate.

    How can that question be answered to your satisfaction without leading to your usual conclusion?”

    (obviously I am looking to the other questions you would like posed in asking for your thoughts on this one).

  47. Oh, one other. Our national meteorologists were uncanny in the ability to track the hurricane. Hats off, even if Irene proved a fizzle in strength. Better to be safe than sorry. I’d rather they hype the danger than underestimate the destruction.

  48. re: comment #60

    Now I know why I didn’t answer it before. I really don’t understand what you are asking. And the moving target reference is over my head too. And what is the “usual conclusion?”

    I asked for a succinct summary of the question. Ask something specific and I’ll gladly oblige you.

  49. I’d keep DOT, though it would be reduced and I would keep DOE. They do quite a bit, though I’d HEAVILY reveiw and refine their security practices- its attrocious. All else, I’d agree with.

  50. Okay, 3 simple questions for you Monday morning armchair quarterbacks:

    1) If we live on a limited sized planet with limited resources, how can we expect continual growth of anything, including economy?

    2) Everything in this limited world has a cycle of transition that death and decay play a major role. What makes man’s institutions any different?

    3) How can anyone claim to be Christian when their character opposes all His characteristics?

    No legalese, please.

  51. PF, there ain’t much to it and it’s right there. “moving target is what your responses to me an Alfie amnount to — denying you said or implied something that is patently obvious you had said or implied.

    Now,

    Q: “How can that question be answered to your satisfaction without leading to your usual conclusion?”

    Usual conclusion is as stated: “dominionism,” “theocracy” or some species of delusional/unfit to lead.”

    Succinct enough?

  52. “To Perry there is no differentiation between individuals and corporations”

    What specifically has he done or said that leads you to believe that?

    “Any of you guys work?”

    I am working at home right now proofreading, editing and indexing a manuscript. And I gave and graded a final exam for a vacationing professor.

    Doesn’t add up to much, but looks good on the CV. 😉

  53. 1) If we live on a limited sized planet with limited resources, how can we expect continual growth of anything, including economy?

    You’re really opening up a can of worms asking that, both theologically and realistically. That reads like some “greenie” – the same greenies who are the worst exploiters on earth.

    We adapt. And I am not entirely sure we have begun to tap the energy this earth offers. In return, I could ask you what do you propose? Did you forget the very first commandment? The only one humanity does really well? Like be fruitful and multiply? Is your faith not strong enough to recognize God in control, or do you honestly not believe that this is all there is?

    2) Everything in this limited world has a cycle of transition that death and decay play a major role. What makes man’s institutions any different?

    What do you propose? That we quit living to accommodate the world? I’m a believer in exploiting the resources God gave us, while respecting the earth in the process. The earth does a wonderful job of replenishing itself. Once again in your finality and cynicism, have you forgotten, “I will make all things new?”

    3) How can anyone claim to be Christian when their character opposes all His characteristics?

    You’ll need to be more specific to answer that fairly. Either name what we (I) purposely lack, or give me the characteristics of God that we seek and don’t.

  54. Succinct enough? no

    “moving target is what your responses to me an Alfie amnount to — denying you said or implied something that is patently obvious you had said or implied.”

    Give me the example you are talking about and show me where it is inconsistent with something else I said. (That is an example of being succinct.)

    Let me try to help you out.

    “3. (a) Do you agree with those religious leaders who say that America is a “Christian nation” or “Judeo-Christian nation?” (b) What does that mean in practice?”

    Yes or no for part a. If no, go to next question. If yes, go to part b. If the answer is, “I mean that most of America’s population is Christian and their values are important to me, but so are the values of Hindus, Moslems, atheists, because I represent ALL of the people.

    That would be a good answer.

    A bad answer would be: I am a believer in Jesus Christ and I talk to him every day and I believe this country should be changed in order to conform with Biblical law. That would be a VERY bad answer.

    Does that help?

  55. “If we live on a limited sized planet with limited resources, how can we expect continual growth of anything, including economy?”

    Who says we are limited to the resources of this planet?

    You want to worry about something being unsustainable, focus on population growth, not economic growth.

    “Everything in this limited world has a cycle of transition that death and decay play a major role. What makes man’s institutions any different?”

    Because man has the ability to rapidly adjust and adapt.

    “How can anyone claim to be Christian when their character opposes all His characteristics?”

    I don’t think that is any of our business.

  56. America today own the same basic appliances, air conditioning and entertainment equipment.

    Are you trying to make my point? Marketing is a powerful force, innit?

    In other words, America doesn’t know much poor…besides their savings accounts.

    It’s spiritually and morally bankrupt, but we can still afford a Happy Meal!

    As an example of how much has changed, measure the average sq footage of a home today vs. say 1965, then come back and tell me about poor.

    This is your measure of success? Spatial occupancy?

  57. poolman –

    Have you read Bork’s “Slouching Towards Gomorrah?” I’m just getting started on it. He says that the country is rotting to the ground, primarily from what you call spiritual and moral bankruptcy.

  58. PF, I don’t need your “help” formulating questions. I need(ed) help with your candor. Since these were your questions, it’s incredible to me that you feign the inability to decipher them or the context I have given– again from you.

    Since you are more interested in mocking and dissembling, I will move on. Your bent is apparent: a politician professing principals/belief in Christianity is threat to be avoided at all costs lest we be ruled by dominionists and theocrats — or worse: imbeciles that believe in the some deity with childlike reverence that many of our founding father’s and greatest leaders did.

  59. Have you read Bork’s “Slouching Towards Gomorrah?” I’m just getting started on it. He says that the country is rotting to the ground, primarily from what you call spiritual and moral bankruptcy.

    Though not addressed to me, read it years ago. It’s a very sobering read. IMO, nobody ever nominated to a public position in my lifetime has ever been treated more unfairly than Robert Bork – a brilliant man, and more than qualified for SCOTUS. His main detractor was a detestable and dishonest Jr. Senator moron from Delaware, who just now happens to be Vice President, not worthy to wipe Bork’s ass.

    In fact, it was the Bork nomination and the injustice of it that actually got me interested for the first time in civics/politics. Until then, I had been pretty apolitical, though I was a big Ronald Reagan fan.

    However, you may not like it because Bork definitely writes from the Christian perspective….but no matter if you like it or not, you will certainly come away with the recognition Bork is brilliant.

    If you like to read Pfesser and want to read something very interesting (assuming you haven’t read it), try The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks (HELA cells). Short read and well written and researched. It’s in paperback and was an NYT best seller.

    Especially with your background, I think you would really enjoy it.

    I did.

  60. Did you forget the very first commandment?

    HELLO? Not me, but apparently you did. The “be fruitful… was before the fall and not a commandment, per say, if you are referring to the big 10.

  61. Yes or no for part a. If no, go to next question. If yes, go to part b. If the answer is, “I mean that most of America’s population is Christian and their values are important to me, but so are the values of Hindus, Moslems, atheists, because I represent ALL of the people.

    The person who says this is either a monumental dunce or a liar.

  62. This is your measure of success? Spatial occupancy?

    I took a 15 year loan to pay for my very average house, which was paid for some years back. Could have afforded much, much more with two professional incomes at the time.

    Does that sound like I measure my success by spatial occupancy?

    But if we are destroying the earth Poolman, more specifically if we are killing America, why are we living so long – the real problem with health care, if we are to be absolutely honest…

  63. So wealth is your measure of success?

    Not monetary wealth. That’s the world’s yardstick, and those of the world.

    Success to me is love and acceptance of family, perfect health, close friendships, spiritual guidance and fulfillment resulting in an inner peace, no matter the outward circumstance.

    To have these things in an abundance that spills over into every area of life. That is success to me.

  64. The other counselor, Tiger.

    The one who said “The person who says this is either a monumental dunce or a liar” but gave no explanation for that absurd assessment.

    Just because some people are not capable of religious objectivity does not mean nobody is.

  65. “PF, I don’t need your “help” formulating questions. I need(ed) help with your candor. Since these were your questions, it’s incredible to me that you feign the inability to decipher them or the context I have given– again from you. ”

    Apparently you *do* need some help, because it is stated clearly that those are *not* my questions. But nonetheless, I have no problem interpreting THEM. It is YOU I cannot interpret.

  66. HELLO? Not me, but apparently you did. The “be fruitful… was before the fall and not a commandment, per say, if you are referring to the big 10.

    Actually, it’s the big 613, as evidence by the Jewish prayer shawl. Makes you all the more thankful for grace 🙂

    So let me get this straight. God asks the earth’s first occupants, be fruitful and multiply if you wish in the interrogative sense? But then what? Changes His mind after the fall?

    Then if the fall is the delineation, why doesn’t the commandment given to Moses that “And I will require the blood of anyone who takes another person’s life. If a wild animal kills a person, it must die. And anyone who murders a fellow human must die” still hold Poolman.

    Just the other day, you said you were against the death penalty if I read correctly.

    Seem to me that you are awfully inconsistent in your logic and conclusions.

  67. “To have these things in an abundance that spills over into every area of life. That is success to me.”

    Then why did you move the goalposts from “wealth” to “success”?

    You were talking about the spread between rich and poor. Tex called you out, saying we aren’t poor, citing the size of his home. You respond by asking is that how he measures “success.” Why would you choose to replace the word “wealth” with “success” if you did not equate the two?

  68. Success to me is love and acceptance of family, perfect health, close friendships, spiritual guidance and fulfillment resulting in an inner peace, no matter the outward circumstance.

    To have these things in an abundance that spills over into every area of life. That is success to me.

    Great words and wise wisdom. I agree. But if that the case that you’re content, why do you read so cynical and bitter? I’ve never read a more telling case of class envy.

  69. “Since you are more interested in mocking and dissembling, I will move on. Your bent is apparent: a politician professing principals/belief in Christianity is threat to be avoided at all costs lest we be ruled by dominionists and theocrats — or worse: imbeciles that believe in the some deity with childlike reverence that many of our founding father’s and greatest leaders did.”

    I suggest that you DO move on, since you are clearly intent on misrepresenting what I have said, and are obviously quite frustrated at being unable to do so – since I scotch the attempt at every turn. I answered the question exactly as written – clearly, and succinctly. If that answer cannot be twisted to fit your prejudices, that’s too bad.

    I really don’t know what it is you want. (Or maybe I do.) As I have said, believe what you want, but if you want to represent the public you have to represent ALL the public, not just your own personal religion. It really ain’t that hard to understand; what is hard is twisting that POV into “hatred of Christians and Christianity” – which, of course it is not.

  70. Who says we are limited to the resources of this planet?

    You’ve been watching too much Sci-fi. Aside from the difficult practical aspects of mining other planets for resources, what was once public endeavors are now private for profit. Assigning a dollar value to anything actually devalues it’s moral worth. You think fuel is expensive now? Try extracting it from space and transporting it back to earth, refining it, distributing it, …

    You want to worry about something being unsustainable, focus on population growth, not economic growth.

    Now you could speak at the next Bilderberg meeting. 😆 China is active in stifling this type of growth. What would be your take? Outer space again?

    Because man has the ability to rapidly adjust and adapt.

    Yet we haven’t achieved anything close to world peace. Do you agree we are inherently evil? If not, what gives?

    I don’t think that is any of our business.

    It is if used to bolster one’s political clout.

  71. Why would you choose to replace the word “wealth” with “success” if you did not equate the two?

    That was your substitution in 73. I think they are quite synonymous, if we are referring to quality of life.

    Apparently you don’t?

  72. poolman –

    My stepdaughter and I were looking at the stars last night and commenting how utterly impossible it would be for the ancients to figure out what the night sky really represented. I’m sure that the fuels of the future will be just as incomprehensible to us now.

    I remember reading in high school about chemical bonds. If I remember right, producing energy by chemical means actually results in a net conversion of mass to energy, as less energetic bonds have a lower mass. The efficiency was something like a half a percent (l’m making that up). Conversion via nuclear fuels is something like five percent efficent. Conversion of antimatter/matter to energy is one hundred percent. Think about that. If memory serves, the article said that one gram of antimatter and enough water would make enough superheated steam to go to the moon and back.

    It’s like predicting food needs based on current food production. Doesn’t work; the methods get better ever faster. Remember when Paul Erlich predicted global starvation for the ‘seventies in his book, Population Bomb? Didn’t happen.

  73. Remember when Paul Erlich predicted global starvation for the ‘seventies in his book, Population Bomb? Didn’t happen.

    I do remember reading that, just about the same time reading about the pending “Ice Age.” 🙂 I was in Jr. High then. Scary thing is that it seems like yesterday. 😦

    “I’ve learned that life is like a roll of toilet paper. The closer it gets to the end, the faster it goes.” — Andy Rooney

  74. “You’ve been watching too much Sci-fi. Aside from the difficult practical aspects of mining other planets for resources, what was once public endeavors are now private for profit.”

    And you’ve been ignoring too much history.

    Discovering, acquiring and exploiting resources has always been the driving force of capitalism. That goes back to the creation of the idea.

    Why do you think people invested in 15th-17th century exploration? It sure as hell wasn’t to get their names into History books.

    They invested some in hopes to get back more. Why would you think if/when our planet runs out of resources (which you have asserted WILL happen eventually) private investments won’t drive further exploration for the same reasons?

    “China is active in stifling this type of growth. What would be your take? Outer space again?”

    I don’t have the answer to unsustainable population growth. Do you? Or do you not recognize current global population growth to be unsustainable?

    “Yet we haven’t achieved anything close to world peace. Do you agree we are inherently evil? If not, what gives?”

    I have seen documentary clips showing chimps rallying for battle against other chimps for the seemingly sole purpose of territory protection and expansion. I believe our natural propensity for violent conflict is residual from that.

    Which certainly doesn’t support the idea that man can relatively rapidly adapt. However, in my defense, you are again moving the goalposts. That answer was in response to the question regarding the life cycle of man’s institutions, not his nature. Those things work on different cycles of adaptability, so they cannot be compared to each other.

    “It is if used to bolster one’s political clout.”

    Only if you think faith bolsters political clout.

    For example, it doesn’t matter to me if Rick Perry walks the walk of a Christian he claims to be, because I don’t care whether or not he is a Christian. My issue with him in particular is not the name of his faith. It’s that he uses his faith as agency in what I consider his responsibility.

    If I understand the Bible correctly, it isn’t our place to judge the level or sincerity of someone’s faith. I was under the impression that gets judged….later.

  75. “That was your substitution in 73.”

    Actually, it wasn’t.

    Let’s review….

    In #42, where this started, you wrote, “Second, as I said before, the video doesn’t compare wealthy to poor…”

    You specifically called for a comparison between those with wealth and those without wealth.

    When Tex used his house to show we aren’t poor, you wrote “This is your measure of success? Spatial occupancy? ”

    Those are all your words, not mine. You called for the comparison of 2 things and when that was done you changed 1 of those things.

  76. Gorilla owes me a new keyboard since I just spit my tea all over it when I read I’d be voting Republican in 2012. 🙂

    G, while I glory in the fact that we don’t disagree on EVERYTHING, don’t get too excited. If I am sufficiently disgusted with Obama next November, I may just stay home, but there is no one currently bidding for the GOP nomination that would get my vote.

    (Obama would have to REALLY piss me off for me to vote for Romney. As for any of the other contenders, no vote from me.)

  77. I frankly wouldn’t have thought you capable of writing it based on some of the you’re-a-racist-if-you-disparage-Obama shit

    Well that was mischaracterized to begin with, but thank you anyway for the kudos Tigre. 🙂

  78. Not to get into an endless back and forth with Huck … but … Huck I still say you’re hearing what you want to hear from Perry’s comment just as I can be accused of hearing what I want to hear.

    He does not explicitly say he wants to lift government burden from companies NOR individuals. I still say my interpretation makes more sense since you don’t deal with litigation and regulation of individuals … that’s company-oriented language. Does his comment apply to sole proprietor entrepreneurs? Of course it does. It’s a distinction without a difference.

  79. Discovering, acquiring and exploiting resources has always been the driving force of capitalism. That goes back to the creation of the idea.

    And that makes it unsustainable and a cancer to a society. It was “created” when man first exalted himself over other men.

  80. eliminating the mortgage deduction over a period of 15 years

    Remind me Tex, have you paid off your house? Sounds like it. Good God man … you want to eliminate the mortgage deduction? I’m still smarting over the elimination of the credit card interest deduction. 😦

    I could not only balance our budget within two years by adopting all of these changes …

    Tex for President 2012!!!

  81. “He does not explicitly say he wants to lift government burden from companies NOR individuals.”

    I am hearing his exact words. His exact word was “Americans.”

    When you hear the word “Americans” do you picture people or companies?

    Taxes, litigation, and regulations are what is known in business and economics as “barriers to entry.” They work against companies trying to enter an industry the same way they work against individuals trying to create companies to enter an industry.

  82. “I really don’t know what it is you want. (Or maybe I do.).”

    Baffling I know. Answers from you to the brilliant line of questioning you said should be posed to others. 🙄

  83. You specifically called for a comparison between those with wealth and those without wealth.

    Material things were being measured. The world sees material things as wealth/poverty. I was trying to show that the comparison of material items to material items was not properly represented in the video.

    Tex brought up the size of a house as it relates to the poor and average, which wasn’t even considered in the video. That took things off on a tangent. I purposely brought up the concept of success as it related to size. The success related whether more meant bigger.

    Tex understood my inference, I believe, though it apparently did not communicate with you.

    So I guess I would need to know your definition of wealth and success to better address your concern.

  84. “Well that was mischaracterized to begin with. . . ”

    Okay. It was. All conservatives were racist! 😆

    But there was certainly as period of leveling the racism charge. Remember, you joined G-chin in his assessment of me as a racist because I referred to the “the black community?”

    But I digress. We now know I confused my bigotry towards the the “black community” with what should’ve been directed towards the “Indian community.” 😆 And of course, climate change scepticism is akin to pre-civil rights era racism.

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/28/gore-global-warming-skeptics-are-this-generations-racists/

  85. “And that makes it unsustainable…”

    But not if we continually expand our sources of resources. Which goes right back to what I said.

    “It was “created” when man first exalted himself over other men.”

    It was created when men gave themselves over to other men.

    Kings and lords invested in those who gave them fealty. Something was given (land/power) in order to get something back (someone to fight for them, taxes, and resources). When there wasn’t anymore land to give, people began investing money to get those those things.

    The main difference is that money was called “capital” where land wasn’t. Had that been so, the term “capitalism” might have been used in place of “feudalism” instead of being seen as growing from it. When you think about it….the 2 are strikingly similar. They just use different things as investment.

  86. Just a quickie…

    I still say my interpretation makes more sense since you don’t deal with litigation and regulation of individuals … that’s company-oriented language. Does his comment apply to sole proprietor entrepreneurs? Of course it does. It’s a distinction without a difference.

    Sole Props are still individuals you ninny. They are just people who have decided to forego the complexity of asset protection and risk everything they have on being their own boss rather than answering to someone else.
    It isin’t what I counsel people to do, but I do admire the ambition, even if it tosses sense by the wayside.

  87. The main difference is that money was called “capital” where land wasn’t. Had that been so, the term “capitalism” might have been used in place of “feudalism” instead of being seen as growing from it. When you think about it….the 2 are strikingly similar. They just use different things as investment.

    Well, that and the fact that the means to make and grow investments are open to anyone willing to do the work and take the risk, rather than being vested in a single class of people alone, based on birth.

  88. “That took things off on a tangent.”

    No it didn’t. It answered the question the way Tex wanted to answer it. And the word “success” was nowhere in his reply. You are the one who integrated that word into the discussion.

    Feel free to do a search for the word in this thread. You will find its first usage in #71.

    “So I guess I would need to know your definition of wealth and success to better address your concern.”

    This isn’t about me or my interpretations. It is about your exact words. I am simply pointing our how and when you choose to change them to suit you.

  89. “Well, that and the fact that the means to make and grow investments are open to anyone willing to do the work and take the risk, rather than being vested in a single class of people alone, based on birth.”

    Yes. That is certainly a point I overlooked in my simplicity.

  90. “Baffling I know. Answers from you to the brilliant line of questioning you said should be posed to others.”

    Baffling is right. You asked me how the question could possibly be answered that would be acceptable. I answered it that way.

    What’s the beef? Isn’t that what you wanted?

  91. Only if you think faith bolsters political clout.

    That’s a question for the “religious right”, Huck. Ask Tex, it seems to have come up more than once in this forum. Find out if any of them (the religious right) would vote for a professed atheist or Muslim.

    For example, it doesn’t matter to me if Rick Perry walks the walk of a Christian he claims to be, because I don’t care whether or not he is a Christian.

    That is because you are not one. Big difference. Again, ask the religious right if this is important to them.

    My issue with him in particular is not the name of his faith.

    It is to many others on the right.

    It’s that he uses his faith as agency in what I consider his responsibility.

    He clearly has made public claims to that affect.

    If I understand the Bible correctly, it isn’t our place to judge the level or sincerity of someone’s faith. I was under the impression that gets judged….later.

    On this subject you have not grasped the correct interpretation. We are to judge others that are over us by their fruit and how their actions align with scripture. The final judgment is God’s, but we are to test all spirits to determine if they are from God or otherwise.

  92. “Ask Tex….. That is because you are not one. Big difference. Again, ask the religious right if this is important to them..”

    Fair enough. However, I would argue that, at best, that makes it Tex’s/the religious right’s business. Since I am not of the religious right, I don’t see that as being my business.

    “On this subject you have not grasped the correct interpretation.”

    Also fair enough.

  93. Huck, 🙂

    I came back from a quick trip to the grocery store, and noticed we were already at 112 comments. What was it we were talking about again?

    ——–

    Rutherford, concerning my mortgage interest deduction, I did phase it out over 15 years to be fair to those who purchased under the premise of write off. The biggest part of that would incorporate most of the interest right off for current tax holders.

    If you think that is unfair, make it 30. I’m simply trying to simplify the tax structure, and get people away from taking more personal debt than they should. Look at it this way. At best, mortgage interest is cents on the dollar of debt.

    But I’m open to suggestion. Those are just my ideas.

  94. interest ‘right’ off. Duh!

    And I spelled it right the sentence before. What a dumb ass. Yesterday, I couldn’t think of the word morphine to save my life.

    My recall has gone to hell since I left medical school.

  95. This isn’t about me or my interpretations.

    It actually is since you brought it up. And since interpretation seems to be a big part of miscommunication…

    What is your definition of wealth?
    What is your definition of success?

    It is about your exact words. I am simply pointing our how and when you choose to change them to suit you.

    We are all responsible for that. Wealth can mean many things. The video inferred wealth related to monetary income and physical possessions, regardless of outlay, quality, size, age, or value. Tex brought up size as relative to value. A tangent. I was referring to his comment when I related size to success. I could have just as easily said, “Does larger size equate to greater wealth?” He knew what I was getting at…

    Follow the dots, man.

  96. “I came back from a quick trip to the grocery store, and noticed we were already at 112 comments. What was it we were talking about again?”

    This is why I tend to read these threads backward. That way I am not responding to something from the middle of the discussion with a point that has already been brought up later.

    I think the current topics are:

    –Barriers to entry and content analysis regarding Perry’s video quote.
    –PM changing words/variables in the discussion.
    –The nature and history of investment and capitalism
    –Whose business is someone’s faith?

  97. “It actually is since you brought it up.”

    I didn’t bring up interpretations. In fact, I brought up the exact opposite of interpretation. I brought up your exact words and that you have chosen, in the middle of the discussion, to change the name of a variable. I simply asked if you were giving the variable YOU renamed the same value. Since you responded that you were not, that is “moving the goalposts.”

    If you don’t want to stand by your exact words then that is another discussion. But I’ll let you admit that before we go there.

  98. “You asked me how the question could possibly be answered that would be acceptable. I answered it that way.”

    Oh. I see. We are a Christian nation in your estimation, and your criticism of those that said otherwise (including me) has changed. Gotcha.

    I apologize. You said you didn’t understand the question.

  99. Sole Props are still individuals you ninny. They are just people who have decided to forego the complexity of asset protection and risk everything they have on being their own boss rather than answering to someone else.

    Actually BiW, LLC’s can be considered sole proprietors for tax purposes and they carry the same protection from risk that any LLC carries. So I’m not sure what the heck you’re talking about. And while I file my LLC income tax under my individual tax return, I am still a company even though it’s just me and my wife.

    So again to Huck … it’s a distinction without a difference.

  100. With respect to Gorilla’s link concerning Obama’s inability to write, it sounds like he’s the smart one in the family. Leave it to Christopher Hitchens to cut to the chase:

    the case of Michelle Obama, affirmative action did all three. The partners at Sidley Austin learned this the hard way. In 1988, they hired her out of Harvard Law under the impression that the degree meant something. It did not. By 1991, Michelle was working in the public sector as an assistant to the mayor. By 1993, she had given up her law license.

    Had the partners investigated Michelle’s background, they would have foreseen the disaster to come. Sympathetic biographer Liza Mundy writes, “Michelle frequently deplores the modern reliance on test scores, describing herself as a person who did not test well.”

    She did not write well, either. Mundy charitably describes her senior thesis at Princeton as “dense and turgid.” The less charitable Christopher Hitchens observes, “To describe [the thesis] as hard to read would be a mistake; the thesis cannot be ‘read’ at all, in the strict sense of the verb. This is because it wasn’t written in any known language.”

    😆 😆 😆

    For some gut reason, I have always detested Michelle Obama. I got the impression from the very start she was phony as hell, and a bitch off camera. And I feel the same way about the manipulative and pretentious Oprah Winfrey.

  101. Huck, I think the My Cousin Vinnie, “everything “that guy” says is bullshit” should take care of the next post.

  102. Yesterday, I couldn’t think of the word morphine to save my life.

    That’s particularly troublesome when negotiating with your “supplier”. 😉

    Actually I can’t laugh at you. For the life of me I can never remember the word syringe. I use one to inflate my tracheotomy cuff before I go to sleep. Whenever I need to refer to it, I fly into a panic cos I can’t remember the damn word. I always think sphincter (WRONG). In fact, before writing this comment I had to message my wife to remind me what the damn word was again. Syringe just will not stay in my head. 😐

  103. “You asked me how the question could possibly be answered that would be acceptable. I answered it that way.”

    Oh. I see. We are a Christian nation in your estimation, and your criticism of those that said otherwise (including me) has changed. Gotcha.

    I apologize. You said you didn’t understand the question.”

    Look. I’m going to assume that you cannot read, so I am going to copy the whole thing again.

    ‘“3. (a) Do you agree with those religious leaders who say that America is a “Christian nation” or “Judeo-Christian nation?” (b) What does that mean in practice?”

    Yes or no for part a. If no, go to next question. If yes, go to part b. If the answer is, “I mean that most of America’s population is Christian and their values are important to me, but so are the values of Hindus, Moslems, atheists, because I represent ALL of the people.

    That would be a good answer.’

    You asked what would be to me an acceptable answer for a politician to give to that question.

    The above would_be_an_acceptable_answer in my opinion. …would_be_an_acceptable_answer

    …would_be_an_acceptable_answer

    Read slowly and carefully

    would_____be______an_______acceptable____a_n_s_w_e_r.

    Help me out, Rutherford. I must be exceedingly dense because I don’t get what the problem is. What am I missing here?

  104. Early Obama Letter Confirms Inability to Write

    Oh G this gets so old.

    Obama is a dumb ass. Happy now?

    At least the only article I ever wrote criticizing Bush’s intelligence gave him the benefit of the doubt of being dyslexic (a theory I still hold even though Bush has denied it.) It’s amazing that people like you and Jack Cashill waste your time combing through past writing samples of Obama to prove him a dumb ass.

    I’ll say this … if Jack is so damn smart, why isn’t he President of the United States? Obama has dumb-dumbed his way all the way into the history books. Suck on that, Jack! 🙂

  105. Actually BiW, LLC’s can be considered sole proprietors for tax purposes and they carry the same protection from risk that any LLC carries. So I’m not sure what the heck you’re talking about. And while I file my LLC income tax under my individual tax return, I am still a company even though it’s just me and my wife.

    You can elect to be treated however you like for federal tax purposes if you are a sole prop, LLC, or s-Corp, largely due to the pass-through nature of the income earned, although LLCs are more akin to partneships for tax purposes than they are individuals, especially when you are dealing with LLC that have more than one member.

    However, unless the jurisdiction in which your LLC was formed is completely ass-backwards in tehir statutes, you have the liability issue wrong. In most jurisdictions, LLCs are most like partnerships with the liability protections afforded corporations, which is why family LLCs have for the most part eclipsed family partnerships as the means by which many people pass vacation and investment properties between generaltions, usually by taking advantage of lack of marketablity discounts and minority interest discounts in order to substantially discount the tax value of gifts of the interests to other family members.

    And while I generally leave the choice of entity up to the accountants, since they are the ones doing the taxes, when I’m dealing with a business that is going to have one or two owners, I prefer recommending LLCs because of the simplicity in maintenance and the lack of pitfalls that can lead to the peircing of the corporate veil and the finding of personal liability when things go badly.

    Don’t try to out lawyer me on this stuff, R. I do it for a living.

  106. Leave it to Christopher Hitchens to cut to the chase:

    Tex, “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” clearly applies to you. You DETEST Christopher Hitchens but as long as he disses Michelle Obama, he’s fine in your book.

    You are really too much!

  107. BIW –

    Is there some kind of clearinghouse where one can look for tax/estate advisors/accountants in a given area? I just hate doing this shit and would gladly pay someone else to set my stuff up for me with an eye towards estate planning, tax minimisation, etc, but I’ve never figured out how to find such an individual or if he/she even exists.

  108. PF I can’t help you. I long ago lost track of when I attacked Tigre for using the phrase ‘black community” even though I know a discussion about the phrase occurred.

    Maybe after I research that, I can decipher your current debate with El Tigre. 😉

    P.S. Oh hell, I’ll give it a shot. There is a difference between saying “our country is predominantly Christian but I plan to be President of ALL the people” vs “This is a Christian country and my policies will be entirely Christian based.”

    P.P.S. Somewhere in this thread Tigre wrote “Christine country” which cracked me up …. Tigre, were you thinking of Christine O’Donnell? 😉

  109. Lawyers.com, search for tax and estate planning attorneys. Good ones will also have the accountants and tax advisors on board if the client doesn’t have their own.

    But Obama and the Dems will hate you because you aren’t paying your “fair share”…unless you’re one of them. As an example, I’d recommend Warren Buffet’s tax attorneys and accountants, but they have their hands full reducing his taxable estate before he goes to that great trading floor in the sky.

  110. Don’t try to out lawyer me on this stuff, R. I do it for a living.

    Wouldn’t dream of it. I know whom I’m talking to. If you recall, your comment suggested that sole proprietors risk everything. Since I know that an LLC can be a sole proprietorship (or “husband/wife sole proprietorship, which I think is the Illinois verbiage) for tax purposes and LLC’s do NOT risk everything from an individual perspective, I was suggesting you were throwing around your language a bit too loosely.

    You know the law and I know the English language. 🙂

  111. Rutherford,

    Again, in many jursidictions, a sole proprietorship is a term of art, meaning an individual who is doing business as themselves or under a DBA (Doing Business As) name, without the aegis of a statutory entity meant to limit liability to the assets of the business alone.

    You are the one using a legal term of art under a generic tax definition, not I.

  112. From 119

    I didn’t bring up interpretations.

    Yes, in 107

    “This isn’t about me or my interpretations. It is about your exact words. I am simply pointing our how and when you choose to change them to suit you.”

    I asked for definition, not interpretation.
    Again. Define success. Define wealth.

    In fact, I brought up the exact opposite of interpretation.I brought up your exact words and that you have chosen, in the middle of the discussion, to change the name of a variable.

    The variable of poor households? Lower income households? What variable? If wealth, I’m still waiting for a definition from you.

    I simply asked if you were giving the variable YOU renamed the same value.

    Value in what terms? Monetary? Quantity? Definition?

    Since you responded that you were not, that is “moving the goalposts.

    I don’t even know what game we’re playing to know whether anyone is “moving goalposts”. Please refer me to the proper rulebook.

    If you don’t want to stand by your exact words then that is another discussion. But I’ll let you admit that before we go there.

    Standing and waiting clarification of terms.

    The biggest challenge to communicating in writing is our personal understanding of the chosen words. Meaning has drifted and I do not think it was done unintentionally. Not only is English the toughest language for others to learn, it surpasses much of the understanding of those that use it. It’s a lawyer’s dream. 😀

  113. Pretty good, R. That’s what I said @60 and the prior thread.

    PF repeatedly says he doesn’t understand the question that he wants asked, then says he answered it.

    So, according to PF, “in practice” a “Christian nation” means that “most of America’s population is Christian and their values are important to [PF], but so are the values of Hindus, Moslems, atheists, because I represent ALL of the people.”

    That’s what PF means by what a “Christian Nation” means “in practice.” And he can’t figure out why there’s a breakdown without your assistance. 🙄

    Let me know about your research on “black community.” Hint: it was followed by a post about the “gay community” and my letting you and G-chin know I had black family which G-chin roughly said “didn’t count” because they married in.

  114. BiW, that’s the same in this jurisdiction. I think R confuses pass through taxation for sole proprietorship.

  115. PF repeatedly says he doesn’t understand the question that he wants asked, then says he answered it.

    NO, NO, NO, NO.

    I don’t understand YOUR question. I understand the question the reporter wants to ask just fine; they are TWO different questions. I still don’t know exactly what yours is.

    So, according to PF, “in practice” a “Christian nation” means that “most of America’s population is Christian and their values are important to [PF], but so are the values of Hindus, Moslems, atheists, because I represent ALL of the people.

    NO, NO, NO, NO. Important to the politician answering the questionnaire.

    You asked me what would be an answer to the question that I would find acceptable from a politician. What I gave you would be such an acceptable answer; that is not MY answer. My answer is that it is NOT a Christian nation in any form or fashion – never was, never will be.

    That’s what PF means by what a “Christian Nation” means “in practice.”

    NO, NO, NO, NO. I never said anything like that.

    Look, I know you are not stupid, so I have to assume you are pulling my leg. I don’t have time for nonsense, so let’s move on, shall we?

    I don’t know why I even persist in this nonsense.

  116. Remember when Graychin the Gray played the black racism card, I looked up the demographics of his zip code which had ZERO blacks, stated for the record as much, and we all dog piled his old pudgy ass?

    Truly one of my favorite moments on the Rutherford Lawson blog. I don’t think the old boy ever forgave me after that. Didn’t much like me to begin with from the T-World blog.

    And I guess we finally ran Yeller Dawg to the pound. That imbecile is still over ragging on Alfie, though – who has a hell of a lot more patience with the turd than I would.

    Grrrr..two muchh Faux News rotts the brian. 😆

  117. “Or he is noting that you can have a single-member LLC.”

    Oh. Then I am lost.

    R, the terminology is a little more important than I think you give credit for, or Illinois has some weird-ass legal jargon.

  118. I think R confuses pass through taxation for sole proprietorship.

    Thanks Tigre. The confusion lies in the terminology used on tax forms etc. which in my opinion are clear as pea soup. I understand the notion of pass through taxation … i.e. income to the LLC passing through to the individual manager and being claimed on that individual’s tax forms (yes?). If I have any confusion at all it has to do with categorization which if I’m not mistaken is something like:

    LLC (Partnership)
    LLC (Sole proprietor)

    I’d have to go find the forms to give the exact verbiage. Yes, I admit it is confusing and perhaps BiW’s original comment comes across clear as day to another attorney but to a layman (me) it sounded like he was ignoring that LLC’s do provide protection. (Which frankly surprised me because I know BiW knows better.)

  119. “My answer is that it is NOT a Christian nation in any form or fashion – never was, never will be.”

    No. Fucking. Shit.

    What the hell do you think motivated my comments at 60?

    Don’t answer that. I can’t take your pretend confusion anymore.

  120. Yes, I admit it is confusing and perhaps BiW’s original comment comes across clear as day to another attorney but to a layman (me) it sounded like he was ignoring that LLC’s do provide protection. (Which frankly surprised me because I know BiW knows better.)

    How curious.

    It was your comments that left me with the impression that you didn’t understand this salient point, which is true whether or not the LLC is a single member or has several members.

  121. the terminology is a little more important than I think you give credit for

    Who said it was unimportant? I just said it was clear as pea soup. Hell … you can go to jail over the damn terminology. It’s the only reason I don’t like being self-employed. 😦

  122. It was your comments that left me with the impression that you didn’t understand this salient point, which is true whether or not the LLC is a single member or has several members.

    Well then hot damn! We may actually understand each other at this point.

    The great irony is that you guys gripe about the burden the government places on business and I experience that burden all the time. Yet I’m still a liberal. Go figure.

  123. “Who said it was unimportant? I just said it was clear as pea soup. Hell … you can go to jail over the damn terminology.” 😆

    I just meant for clarity’s sake when it came to your point.

  124. Remember when Graychin the Gray played the black racism card, I looked up the demographics of his zip code which had ZERO blacks, stated for the record as much, and we all dog piled his old pudgy ass?

    Good times. . . good times.

    R, I always cautioned you to be judicious in your accusations of bigotry and racism. I sense you finally have. But that G-chin would probably still get an ass-whoopin’ from MLK himself for his reckless accusations if he were alive. It’s incredibly damaging to race relations and so many of the left just can’t help themselves. Since I live in a black community, I have always despised the fact that it is so often the white liberal elites that level the accusation when members of the black community wouldn’t. Oh, the orgy of moral outrage!

    And the best part was the irony in having G-chin make the accusations. Seriously. Grey met chin when white met bread. Yet he gave himself license to act like he had some insight that was lost on everyone else.

  125. The great irony is that you guys gripe about the burden the government places on business and I experience that burden all the time. Yet I’m still a liberal. Go figure.

    Dain Bramage can be a terrible thing. 🙂

    And the best part was the irony in having G-chin make the accusations. Seriously. Grey met chin when white met bread. Yet he gave himself license to act like he had some insight that was lost on everyone else.

    Self-righteousness and guilt (deserved or not) will drive people to do some really strange things.

  126. 155 comments in less than 24 hours? Whew…We were a talkative bunch today. Getting to look like Fat Grannies, minus the abject stupidity of Chatty Kitchen.

    Good thing some of those deluded Dawgs and misandrists I ran off didn’t show up, or it would have been an absolute zoo. Right Rutherford? 🙂

    Got anything else you want to shoot the bull about on a new thread “R”? I’ve tried not to post too many vids this time and behave myself today so that others could have a turn at bouncing that sweet head of yours.

    You must be getting old, or taking out all your frustration on the radio blog. You’ve been so mellow around here lately, you’re almost like a church mouse.

  127. The Mayans were correct. In the year 2012, the Detroit Lions are going to the Super Bowl.

    Laugh now, as yet another Dead Rabbit prophecy comes to fruition in front of your very eyes.

  128. Can anyone answer me a serious question?

    Nikola Tesla was a genius who developed wireless power harnessing the earth’s existing magnetic fields. Virtually free unlimited power. He proved it. Time and again. He developed AC power.

    Capitalists in conjunction with our government shut him down and history is trying to erase him. He wanted to give everyone access to free power and even had defensive shields for protection against incoming down to a working science.

    Thanks to FOIA we can see most of what our government has:

    http://www.lostartsmedia.com/images/teslafbifile.pdf

    This is your government, America. 👿

    When are you going to WAKE UP??!!

  129. I’ll say this for this blog. Under no circumstances would I know who the hell Ndamukong Suh was nor would I be inclined to read about him. And yet here I am having spent the better part of a minute reading about Suh being called a “dirty player” and him countering that he’ll know he’s dirty when his mama tells him so.

    LOL

  130. Poolman your latest comment reminds me of something.

    I watch a show called “Shark Tank” in which entrepreneurs go looking for capital from VC’s (the Sharks in the title). It’s a fun show that comes a lot closer to portraying realistic business decisions than say Donald Trump’s “Apprentice”. My 7 year old daughter loves the show so much that as soon as I can find a young person’s business club, I’m gonna get her enrolled because she truly has a love of money and how to get it.

    Ahhhhh sorry, I digress. On one episode of Shark Tank a man was trying to get venture capital to support nostril inserts that filter out germs and other contaminants from the air while breathing. One of the VC’s asked him why hadn’t he tried to pitch his idea to a major pharmaceutical. His answer disgusted me. He said that they told him they could make more money selling the drugs to treat an infection than selling his invention to PREVENT an infection. So the public’s health didn’t matter worth sh*t to them. It was how could they make the most money.

    I don’t know much about Tesla but I’ll say this … any alternative power that threatens the money-making status quo will be shut down before it even has a chance to get a foothold. 😦

  131. Was that a real name? I did not google it.

    Man, Rutherford. Where’s the edit or preview feature?

    Editor’s note: sorry dude … talk to WordPress. (It is odd they don’t have a preview feature.)

  132. Thanks for the repair. 😀

    Those FBI files read like the X-files. I guess vice versa.

    Twilight Zone. The brain suckers cometh. 😯

    And rabbit’s worried about BertinErnie.

  133. Rutherford,

    No it doesn’t surprise me at all. It’s SOP in that industry. The thing that does surprise me is that it aired on the MSM.

  134. “It’s amazing that people like you and Jack Cashill waste your time combing through past writing samples of Obama to prove him a dumb ass fraud.” – R

    Fix it. I know he’s a dumb ass- we knew it in 2007- you’re the one slow to the party. But this is the bigger point, he’s a fraud. A fugazi. There is nothing genuine to him, which is important because once folks realize he’s not the smartest guy in the world, that he doesn’t part the sea or walk on water, his luster diminishes exponetionally. This is what happened to the independents in 2009. When the geas wore off, they were replulsed by what they saw, and they never went back. Look at the polls, in June of 2009 independents abandoned Obama, and the number of independents supporting him has never changed since.

    From his books, to his speaking, he’s nothing but window dressing. You take away his teleprompter (which he needed two for a three minute speach) and he’s a bumbling idiot.

    He shall now be know as the Fugazi-in-Chief.

  135. Rich? More like assploding hypocrisy.

    (NYP) — This one’s truly, uh. . . rich: Billionaire Warren Buffett says folks like him should have to pay more taxes — but it turns out his firm, Berkshire Hathaway, hasn’t paid what it’s already owed for years.

    That’s right: As Americans for Limited Government President Bill Wilson notes, the company openly admits that it owes back taxes since as long ago as 2002.

    “We anticipate that we will resolve all adjustments proposed by the US Internal Revenue Service (“IRS”) for the 2002 through 2004 tax years. . . within the next 12 months,” the firm’s annual report says.

    It also cites outstanding tax issues for 2005 through 2009.

    Obvious question: If Buffett really thinks he and his “mega-rich friends” should pay higher taxes, why doesn’t his firm fork over what it already owes under current rates?”

  136. From a really interesting opinion article in the LA Times:

    No president since Woodrow Wilson or Franklin Roosevelt has been more enamored with the cult of expertise than Obama. That none of his economic predictions have panned out is not surprising. What is surprising is that so many people are surprised.

  137. R said, “His answer disgusted me. He said that they told him they could make more money selling the drugs to treat an infection than selling his invention to PREVENT an infection. So the public’s health didn’t matter worth sh*t to them. It was how could they make the most money.”

    I just can’t understand for the life of me why this “disgusts” you. Pharma is in the business of selling drugs and that disgusts you.

    What did medical device manufacturers say? How about doctors themselves? How about YOU?

    I am disgusted that you are disgusted. A business must operate to make money, not lose it, otherwise it wouldn’t exist at all. And in this instance, perhaps the companies for whom this guy speaks make life saving medications that it otherwise would not if its resources were channeled elsewhere.

    R, you’re a very intelligent, educated and insightful guy. But sometimes, as here, I find your sentiment childlike.

  138. Now that Uncle Warren has made his intentions known, I’ve been reading up on him a little more. And it has become quite obvious to me, Buffett is more a productive of serendipity and crony capitalism than some raving financial genius. Buffett is the ultimate insider.

    If Warren were a good standing Republican, he’d have the same reputation as the Koch Brothers do now.

    The cheesy good old boy routine? The guy is a vulture, as the BoA venture proved last week. He couldn’t lose – structured it with guarantees for himself. I give Uncle Warren credit – money begets power. This guy made his millions, and used his business influence to turn it into billions with political influence.

    Frankly, I find Warren Buffett one of the biggest hypocrites on the planet. I’m actually glad he’s ingratiated himself with Obama, because his reputation needed to be tarnished before he crossed the River Styx.

    If you want to read the real story about Uncle Warren, read about the relationships he has with immediate family. That will tell you all you need to know about the man’s real character.

  139. BIW – I forgot. Thanks for the lawyers.com link. I’ll see what they have.

    poolman – Tesla’s experiments with his Magnifying Transmitter yielded little except for terrifying the animals and people in (Colorado Springs?) and burning out the power plant from surges back into the power line. Believe me, if there were a way to send significant amounts of power with our current knowledge, I would have learned about it in Power Transmission class and we would be doing it somewhere.

    Now, don’t start on some story about how the technology has been suppressed by a conspiracy…LOL…

  140. It looks like Perry is comfortably in the lead.

    We are IMHO watching the destruction of the Republican party in slow motion. There is a very good reason so many of the party faithful have left and become Independents. More people now identify themselves as Independent than either Dem or Reps. (Did I read somewhere that it was more than the two parties combined?)

    While the right wingnuts keep chanting that the reason they can’t win is because the Party needs to “move further toward its base” – the extreme right, in their opinion, the Real reason they don’t sweep is because the people who used to be IN their party are afraid of the nuts like Bachmann, Palin, Perry and are voting against them.

    Nice going, guys. It looks like you are well on the road to four more years of Obama. I don’t think the country can stand it.

  141. Nice going, guys. It looks like you are well on the road to four more years of Obama. I don’t think the country can stand it.

    One inconvenient fact you seemed to ignore. None of us whom you criticize voted for Obama. You did.

    So you’ll forgive us if we don’t find your predictions sound or your logic well reasoned. I personally think your boasts of millions of your ilk laughable. That’s the lunatic fringe.

    The Republican Party is doing exactly what it needs to do – turn right, cleansing itself of big spending RINO’s – Dimocrats by another name. There will be some bumps along the way, but if we are to return to the party of Reagan and much smaller government, one thing is for sure.

    Moderates and Liberal Independents won’t get us there. Vote Obama if that frightens you.

  142. “Nice going, guys. It looks like you are well on the road to four more years of Obama.”

    What do you mean “you guys?”

    Why don’t you show up at the primaries and vote for Romney or do what you did before and vote for Obama.

    Thanks asshole.

  143. p.s. don’t go to lawyers.com. Get a referral from a good, well-connected lawyer even if it’s outsode of the practice area you want. Lawyers.com is just a directory and the online ratings (client and so-called peer) are generally worthless marketing gimmicks similar to what I’m certain you’ve seen in the medical profession.

    At a minimum, look for an “AV” rating from Martindale-Hubble (parent of lawyers.com and the original directory online at martindale.com.

  144. If we’re uploading videos at comment No. 184 on day two of this post, this Motha will be shut down by this afternoon!

  145. “It’s amazing that people like you and Jack Cashill waste your time combing through past writing samples of Obama to prove him a dumb ass.”

    He could just release his grades and make it easy for us to prove…or prove us all wrong. He could even make nifty shirts to sell afterward.

    It’s real simple. If there were all “A”s on those report cards, we’d be seeing them. My guess is that “solid B+” is the best he ever got.

  146. “I’ll say this … if Jack is so damn smart, why isn’t he President of the United States? Obama has dumb-dumbed his way all the way into the history books. ”

    That’s because that is the only thing Barack Obama is good at…..running for office.

    He’s real good at talking pretty and getting people to believe his absolute and utter bullshit. But when it comes to actually working once he gets into that office….not so much.

    All he’s ever done is look upward to the next election.

  147. That’s because that is the only thing Barack Obama is good at…..running for office.

    I think between four or five of us over the last two years, we have pretty well confirmed Obama is far from intelligent. He’s of ordinary talents and it has showed.

    I’d say Obama has two gifts: (1) Apparently, he is charismatic to a large number of people (mostly helpless rubes and academia); (2) He must have been a dandy community activist, using people for personal benefit, much like Clinton used to do, though this charlatan for President is not nearly as bright as Clinton.

    I agree with you completely Huck. Even Rutherford has basically admitted as much – Obama has been on the campaign stump since Jan. 2009. It’s all he knows – self-aggrandizement and finding fault with others; clearly a malignant narcissist.

  148. Sharia by another other name would smell as sweet acrid…

    But their greatest ignorance of all concerns Judaism’s holy books—not the Torah but the Talmud, which is a series of interpretations of early Judaic law, written by later rabbinical scholars. Think of it as an exhaustive collection of technicalities allowing one to get around the law—with the notable addition of directives to persecute non-Jews, who are not considered human—and to do so as a religious duty. Surprisingly, the content of the Talmud has not rendered it obsolete or embarrassing to modern orthodox Jews who study it, revere it, and live by it. It’s the kind of thing that never gets mentioned at Holocaust Museums, the History Channel, or in Hollywood films like Exodus. Nothing about it in The Fiddler On The Roof either. So I thought I’d mention it here, for folks who don’t know. When an ethnic group has a religious duty to persecute everybody else, that’s a pretty big deal.

    In certain European countries holocaust-denial is a criminal offense, based on the notion that it promotes racism and genocide. Shouldn’t Talmudism be a crime in those countries, and for the same reason? Doesn’t the assertion that all the world’s non-Jews are animals unworthy of compassion meet the criterion?

    What are we to do about venerable holy texts that contain evil things? Do we just give them a pass?

    Here’s your racism in textbook form, ape. It’s colors are red, white, and joooooo.

  149. Poolman, I know you’re praying to Father Satan for another holocaust, but have you ever read the source material you actually post and the quality and credential of your authors?

    ABOUT THE AUTHOR: Cassandra has a BA in psychology and also an MSW degree. She does a little writing, a lot of reading, and is an avid gardener. She works occasionally for a small publisher in her hometown, and dabbles in herbal medicine, medical issues and natural sciences.

    You’re almost as evil as you are stupid – but not quite.

  150. I actually feel sympathetic for Obama. He really has nowhere to turn anymore. He is getting it from all sides. Effectively ineffective and popularly unpopular. Doesn’t he play the scapegoat well?

  151. Since I don’t talk to the piss pot, I’ll ask this general question to the class: when was the last Jewish suicide bomber?

    In recent reporting…

    On August 13, 2011, the Egyptian daily Roz Al-Yousef published an interview[1] with Sheikh ‘Adel Shehato, a senior official in Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ), who, on March 23, 2011, was freed from prison in the wake of the Egyptian revolution. He was imprisoned in 1991 upon returning from a three-year sojourn in Afghanistan.

    In the interview, Shehato expressed complete opposition to democracy “because it is not the faith of the Muslims, but the faith of the Jews and Christians.” He said that although the youth of the Arab revolutions have not declared the implementation of shari’a as one of their goals, the mujahideen nonetheless identify with their aspiration to overthrow the Arab rulers, whom they had always considered “infidels who must be killed because they do not rule according to the shari’a.” He added, however, that “once Allah’s law is applied, the role of the people will end and Allah will reign supreme.” He went on to say that although he supports Al-Qaeda’s ideology, shari’a law would not be enforced by violence but by da’wa (preaching), whereas violence would be used only against the infidel Arab rulers.

  152. I forgot this part…

    Shehato said that if the mujahideen came to power in Egypt, they would launch a campaign of Islamic conquests aimed at subjecting the entire world to Islamic rule. Muslim ambassadors would be appointed to each country, charged with calling upon them to join Islam willingly, but if the countries refused, war would be waged against them. He also described the nature of the Islamic state to be established in Egypt: there would be no trade or cultural ties with non-Muslims; tourist sites at the pyramids, the Sphinx, and Sharm Al-Sheikh would be shut down “because the tourists come [there] to drink alcohol and fornicate,” and all tourists wishing to visit Egypt would be required to comply with the conditions and laws of Islam; all art, painting, singing, dancing, and sculpture would be forbidden, and all culture would be purely Islamic.

  153. I actually have read much of the source material. If you followed the link in the article to Israel Shahak, instead of just dissin’ the author (typical Tax Tadler tactics, btw) without evaluating the article (all verifiable information,btw), you might actually rise out of your rhetoric rut. I am hopelessly hopeful. 😀

    Even though you support leaders that lack vision, I know God can do a hell of a restoration when we let Him. 😎

  154. More like assploding hypocrisy.

    No argument here. I wish Buffett would just STFU and write a check to the US Treasury if he’s so concerned. I’m sure they wouldn’t refuse his money, 😐

  155. G, I personally don’t know how to spin my way out of that timeline video you posted. Schumer’s statement looks entirely political and even sociological minus any actual financial rigor “Fannie and Freddie have been doing a great job”. It boggles the mind such an imprecise assessment could have carried the day.

    The other problem is putting poor people in homes they couldn’t afford and calling it progress.

    Would love to spin this one …. I’m sure some of my lib friends could do it … but I can’t. Maybe I need another cup of tea? 🙂

  156. Anyone who claims to “know shit” and does not recognize that suicide bombers are for the most part a desperate last resort of a cornered people, or the result of a MANipulated™ mind, is either so far disconnected from any genuine human interaction or is devolving back to its former genus.

  157. I am disgusted that you are disgusted.

    LOL Well I’m disgusted that you’re disgusted that I’m disgusted!

    Seriously, when pharma produces life saving medication in instances where there is no effective prevention, I am fully with you. But pharma should also be in partnership with the medical community to develop preventive drugs. The notion that this might not be a money maker because prevention short circuits the life-time prescription income to the pharma company and that notion motivates corporate behavior SHOULD bother you.

    I don’t see how this is much different from a doctor NOT curing you (when he can) because he’d prefer the repeat visits. It is downright immoral.

    And while I’m on my pharma rant, I’ll repeat what I’ve said before. Get those damn pharma commercials off the TV!!!!

  158. Or you could turn OFF the TV!!!! Period. That would allow for clarity of thought.

    Our support of the media gives it its power, not unlike all the other “lords” over us. Don’t support them.

    Just tell yourself,

    “I am not going to join the circle, jerk.

  159. Clearly, some folks don’t know shit. While there are some who are manipulated into suicide operations, there are also a large cadre of folks who welcome those types of operations, not out of desperation, but out religious ferver. I guess they’re hopelessly hopeful too…

  160. Would love to spin this one …. I’m sure some of my lib friends could do it … but I can’t. Maybe I need another cup of tea?” – R

    Welcome to the revolution…

  161. All he’s ever done is look upward to the next election.

    That oughta make the next 30 years pretty damn boring. Maybe he’ll run for Pope. 🙂

    I just saw the author of a new book on the Papacy this morning. Apparently the great preponderance of Popes were mediocre at best and a few downright vile! (Alexander VI and John XII) and one totally non-existent (Pope Joan).

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/vp/44325987#44325987

    http://www.amazon.com/Absolute-Monarchs-John-Julius-Norwich/dp/1400067154/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314726384&sr=8-1

  162. “Why don’t you show up at the primaries and vote for Romney or do what you did before and vote for Obama.”

    I will almost certainly be voting for Paul in the primaries and, depending upon who the ReBiblicans select, most likely Obama in the general.

    “Thanks asshole.”

    Why, no, thank YOU! It is you and the ReBiblican lunatic fringe that got us here, and it is the ejection of the far-right nut jobs from the Party that will allow it to once again claim the title of “Grand.”

    I for one can’t wait to get my father’s Republican party back so I can proudly vote Republican again. Frankly, the anti-science, anti-education, anti-intellectual Party in its current form is an embarrassment. Those of us from the REAL GOP are frankly tired of watching this great nation be the laughingstock of the planet. Hope they wake up soon.

  163. The only reason I’m laughing at that loon singing the theme to Magilla Gorilla is that is the kind of stupid joke I’d think of and sing to my wife. Then she’d tell me “if you record that and upload it to YouTube, expect to see divorce papers in the mail within a week.” 🙂

    P.S. I have this incredibly lame schtick that cracks my father up every time. It consists of my introducing myself as a variety of famous people with a hat tip to Jimmy Durante. So it goes:

    “I’m Jimmy Durante, Jimmy Durante, ha cha cha.”
    “I’m Edward G Robinson, Edward G Robinson ha cha cha”
    “I’m Peter Lorre, Peter Lorre, ha cha cha”

    and so on. I don’t know whether it’s the absurdity of the routine that cracks my father up or how bad my impersonations are. 😀

    P.S. And let’s not forget my Trojans commercial sung to the melody of the Harvard fight song

    Ten thousand men wear Trojans for birth control today
    Because they don’t want any babies,. in ladies they lay
    So we’ll wear all our Trojans boys
    Because we’re playing with dangerous toys
    Ten thousand men wear Trojans to keep babies at bay!!!

    😀

  164. R, it’s hard to take you seriously when we’re talking about some product you stick up your nose as a filter. I keep thinking of those eyeglass nose stabilizer thingies Steve Martin made in The Jerk and a complaint that .

    Seriously, why not ask the same questions of CVS or Dominoes or whatever line of work you’re in? If you could make a decent pizza surely you could make a decent nose? Hell, why not Filtrete that’s actually in the filter business? Oh, I forgot. It’s because they don’t care about people either. 🙄

    R, while it’s besides the point, the litany of preventive drugs and R&D in connection with them is nearly endless. The reason is that it makes money for those in the business of manufacturing drugs.

    Frankly, the fact that attach some ethical or moral failing to the rejection of this goofball’s invention is pretty absurd. You sound like someone that would blame the mechanic because your car is a piece of shit.

    And that disgusts me!!!

  165. “It is you and the ReBiblican lunatic fringe that got us here, and it is the ejection of the far-right nut jobs from the Party that will allow it to once again claim the title of “Grand.”

    Tell me how that is PF. I didn’t vote for Obama. I don’t support Perry or Bachman or Palin or anyone else you think has a theocratic agenda.

    All I did is call bullshit on your arrogance, false logic, and OBVIOUS contempt for religion and religious folks.

    You helped put Obama in office, the single greatest source of what you now claim is to be feared and avoided. So explain to us what “I” did.

  166. Pfesser, I am surprised that the media has totally dropped its focus on Paul’s past racist newsletters. This article summarizes it from the last campaign. Paul says it’s not his writing nor his belief. I’d like to give him the benefit of the doubt but why let garbage go out under your name? His answers in interviews at the time were a bit lame.

  167. In 1952 the number of independent voters nationwide was 22 percent. They now make up 40 percent.

    Still think that demographic is too small to make a difference? It put Obama in office; must have a *little* clout.

    Run the Great Rain Pray-er for Prez and you will see it work its magic again I predict…

  168. “Since I don’t talk to the piss pot, I’ll ask this general question to the class: when was the last Jewish suicide bomber? ”

    Ummmm…who cares? There have been Israeli/Jewish/Zionist terrorist bombings. Does it really matter if the terrorist killed himself when he slaughtered others?

    “He must have been a dandy community activist”

    He wasn’t. He was a failure at that, too.

    “Perhaps his most confrontational effort was to pressure city authorities to remove asbestos from the apartments in 1986. When the on-site manager didn’t take action, Obama nudged the residents into confronting city housing officials in two angry public meetings downtown. These generated “a victory of sorts,” Obama said later, as workers soon began sealing the asbestos in the buildings. But the project gradually ran out of steam and money. In fact, some tenants still have asbestos in their homes, according to current resident Linda Randle, 53, who worked with Obama in the ’86 anti-asbestos campaign.”

    A “victory of sorts.” Is that anything like a “solid B+”?

    And what did he do when he proved to be a failure at community organizing?…He moved on to something else….

    “Faced with such frustrations, after three years in Chicago, Obama decided to apply his skills in the wider world. He entered Harvard Law School in 1988, became the first African-American president of Harvard Law Review in 1990, and earned his law degree in 1991.”

    Then he returned to Chicago…to relaunch his war against asbestos?

    Nope…. He moved on to something else.

    “He returned to Chicago to work as a civil rights lawyer and teach at the University of Chicago Law School. He eventually won a seat in the Illinois State Senate and was elected to the U.S. Senate in 2004.”

    It’s really simple. The man does not know how to lead. He only knows how to get people to believe he can lead.

  169. “Paul says it’s not his writing nor his belief. I’d like to give him the benefit of the doubt but why let garbage go out under your name?”

    You gave Obama the benefit of the doubt regarding his birth certificate because he claimed the whole thing was bullshit.

    You continue to give him the benefit of the doubt regarding his secret grades and college writings. And he doesn’t have anything to say about that.

    I would be willing to bet you give him the benefit of the doubt that he wrote his own book.

    But when Ron Paul flat out denies something, you’d “like” to give him the benefit of the doubt (which says you do NOT give him the benefit of the doubt) simply because he cannot turn back time and keep something from going out with his name on it.

    If only he had a (D) behind his name, I am sure you’d be more forgiving.

  170. My wife is now working full-time, as I said. Corporate, Fed, State, and Union Labor write the rules and procedures for them. Some of the craziest shit, so much is counterproductive for what they do, yet “Corporate is king” and your precious job’s on the line if you don’t follow company policy. SOP

    They literally have to lie and cheat in “small ways” daily, bending rules just to do business. It literally becomes routine. It makes my wife’s stomach turn. 😦

    Multiply that times…how many corporations are there? And any of you wonder why morality is in the crapper? Little by little, step by step, inch by inch…

    I was buying some stuff for work at LOWES yesterday and the cashier couldn’t finish ringing my order because the stainless steel clamp I had picked up had no SKU on it. None in the box I grabbed them from did, I looked. I always want to be sure it doesn’t slow my day. Been there too many times. (Founding Fathers never dealt with that shit!) Computers may be great, but we are their slaves in today’s market.

    Anyway, I did not have a pen and therefore did not write the number on my hand, as I have been known to do, kind of “Palinesk” I know, but works in a pinch. I knew it was a number 28 clamp and cost $2.33 and the SKU started with 66 something. Expensive as ….(that’s another tangent… 🙄 )

    So I was there, half of my stuff “rung up”, as she’s trying to decide what to do with this clamp. She gets on the phone. Nobody’s picking up. She pages the department. No answer. Waits and then pages again. Same result.

    Meanwhile, I told her what I knew about it and asked her if she had a little book, like they do at HOME DEPOT, that she could match it up with. That did not phase her, she just said no and yelled over to the lady next to her gazing at the computer monitor.

    “Did you try calling the department?”, the lady asked. “They may be on break.” she says.

    Now, my plenty of time to stop, get my stuff, and make my 5:30 appointment was being sucked up by corporation hell while this precious job slot was trying to run down someone in this huge vacant quasi-reality realm of time-clock junkies attempting to identify a fucking SKU number so I could finally part with 2.dollars and some coin, and the government’s tip, and get on my happy way!

    4 times I volunteered to walk the 50 some odd paces to the aisle where I picked it up, but noooo….. She was doing her job, while several others behind me gave up hope and moved on. I could have been there and back multiple times. If I didn’t need the part for my appointment, I would have just walked. There’s a whole generation of customer service that has “left the building”. It’s really pitiful.

    Finally the lady that was tied to the computer said she’d go get the number. She got up and walked slowly out of sight and… and… and… and… slowly back into view, where she then shouted the SKU to the awaiting, now apologizing sales gal. “That will be $$… Oh, and, “Sir, let me get your telephone number – strictly for refund purposes.”.

    I said yeah. Right. Refund purposes?! Why do you need my phone number for refund purposes? “Because it’s SOP!!!

    Bullshit! Bullshit! Bullshit! “I won’t cum in your mouth, “I’ll respect you in the morning, “I’ll call you some time, “We have take the fight to the terrorists, etc, etc…
    👿 Total bullshit!!

    Rant over. (for now)

  171. Pfesser, your days are numbered – figuratively, politically and literally.

    That daddy’s Republican party line is so stale you use, it’s got mold. You owe somebody royalties, you use it so much. And the party you seek, if it ever existed, was done 50 years ago and never went anywhere.

    Rockefeller Republicans were the dinosaurs of America politic and the most miserable of political creatures – on the verge of extinction, as will be the progressive party. It simply takes time.

    Anybody that closely correlates to conspiracies and idle threats like Poolman is of no consequence or influence. In fact, I hope you cheer lead that same message all the way to next November. Scream a little louder in Virginny. They’re laughing at you.

    Then pull the Obama lever.

  172. Why whatever do you mean, Tex?

    PF pulled the lever for Obama to restore the GOP to the halcyon days of a by-gone era. Makes perfect sense. Voting for Paul will do the same. Can’t you see the connection? I mean, you and me are at fault for his disappointment in the state of GOP. We should have followed his lead instead. 🙄

  173. LOL Poolman if you want frustration try dealing with the billing department of the healthcare provider that handles my healthcare supplies. Here’s just one example of the idiocy I have to deal with.

    May bill:
    service on 4/1 $100.00
    service on 4/15 $100.00

    So I pay the $200.00 … now here comes the fun

    June bill
    service on 3/1 $100.00
    service on 3/15 $100.00
    payment of $200.00 applied to 3/1 and 3/15 dates.
    payment for 4/1 and 4/15 dates is 30+ days over due

    Can you believe that sh*t? I pay the damn May bill, they apply it to earlier stuff NOT on the May bill … that shows up on the June bill, then tell me I’m over due on the May bill. I kid you not.

    Now, there is some uncertainty as to whether money they’ve been pulling out of my checking account is actually getting credited to anything. Needless to say I’ve cancelled their “autopay” option and they will never again get access to my bank accounts or credit cards … not while their billing department is this f*cked up. I’ll write them a check when I’m damn sure I owe them something.

    It goes without saying, their customer billing support is clueless … poorly trained and working with a broken process. 😦

  174. I think Pfesser is right but I also fear he is wrong. On the one hand we do have some real mental midgets and loons in the field .. Perry, Bachmann, Santorum, possibly Palin. On the other hand, we’ve got a population burned by the shiny prize (Obama) not being so shiny after all. Buyer’s remorse can lead to some seriously bad decisions.

    So unlike PF, I’m not so sure that Obama can easily beat Perry … or even (ouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch) Bachmann.

  175. Rutherford, 😆

    I think you deal with the same customer service dept. I did at AT&T. It’s like we seek out the dumbest people on the planet to handle A/R, billing and customer service complaints.

    My retired neighbor across the street’s idiot step grandchildren have bankrupt here (sad story), and now she is being forced to sell the house, which was paid for 20 years ago, and now mortgaged to the hilt. Bonnie and I have grown pretty close over the years, so she shares everything with me. At 75, she has $82 left in the bank.

    She told me she receives 2-3 phone calls a day from Wells Fargo with either threat of foreclosure or advice from legal or monetary counsel, and it is obvious one dept. has no idea that the other is even calling.

    She’s now spoken to over 15 different people at Wells Fargo, and they still can’t get their story straight.

    I told her just to ignore them, or just hang up, or tell them to kiss her ass. If they’re that stupid, it will ten years for them to even find the house.

  176. Rutherford, you crack me up. Your conclusions that Perry stupid are based on Obama’s failures? I’m confused by the logic – not to mention your use of causal data. But that sounds straight out of the Fat Granny handbook.

    Couldn’t I turn around and say equally fairly, that anybody that voted for Obama is stupid? Because I have far more empirical evidence that I could be right than you do.

    Several of us have provided a mountain of evidence that Obama is an academic charlatan. And I provided yesterday more evidence that Michelle Obama is a moron – which I always suspected.

    Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure! 😉

    http://www.scoamf.com/

  177. BIC, Adolf Eichmann was supposedly quite polite in his dealings with Jewish leaders prior to the Holocaust (he even spoke a smattering of Hebrew) and maintained until his death that he never had anything personal against the Jews. Kind of like Poolman. 😉

    If Poolman weren’t so stupid about everything else, I might give him a measure of credit about being able to distinguish between political anti-Semitism on the one hand and visceral Jew hatred on the other, of which I suspect Poolman falls in the latter camp. These Veteran Today authors are clever enough Jew-haters to have learned to dissimulate their hatred, unlike the ones who just rant and rave and hence never develop any influence.

    If it weren’t for his individual cowardice, Poolman could have made a great SS train lackey, under the guise of pacifism and carrying out his duty.

  178. poolman –

    Ain’t it fun to watch people make stuff up in their own heads and then have conversations with themselves about it? Living in your own fantasy world is OK I guess if that’s all you have…

  179. 1967 USS Liberty

    bull shit. It was an accident.

    Shit happens more then people realize. When I was in the Navy we wrecked a Turkish warship the same way.

    __________________________________________________

    My oil calls are up 33 percent. I usually like to make more before I sell….. because it’s just that damn easy. Man, I need to get a late night infomercial.

    Anyways, I can’t make up my mind to sell or not.

    Friday job reports scare me, but there are a dozen black swans events out there that could potentially drive oil up.

    Advice? Maybe a trailing stop?

  180. Your conclusions that Perry stupid

    Ah my good Taylor, I used the phrase mental midget or loon. Perry is a loon, not necessarily a mental midget. Bachmann is both. 😉

  181. Bachmann is both.

    A mental midget that is both a tax accountant and attorney…

    Bet Bachmann “tested” better than Shelly did. 😉

    How did the unreadable mental midget like Michelle Obama get into Hawwwvard Law School again? I’m beginning to think that’s about a Tier IV university. What a joke of a representative for America…an absolute disgrace.

    Bet First Lady Onion Booty smells like an animal too.

  182. Ain’t it fun to watch people make stuff up in their own heads and then have conversations with themselves about it? Living in your own fantasy world is OK I guess if that’s all you have…

    I don’t think I’d call it fun. But then I read that as sarcasm, too. Even facts don’t faze them. The fantasy has been courtesy of media, successfully marketing the dreams we want to believe…

  183. bull shit. It was an accident.

    I prefer to believe the account of survivors who were actually involved and match those to the supporting documents that are now mostly public. Seems to hold up better in the court of reality.

    Of course, I did not read it in my government sanctioned school history book so what do I know?

  184. A mental midget that is both a tax accountant and attorney…

    Tex you can’t have it both ways. Either the degrees mean something or they don’t. You can’t laugh at the Obama’s law degrees and then claim it’s a sign of intelligence for Bachmann.

    I’m surprised you’d even be that full of sh*t. You and I both went to school with people who we wondered “how’d they get in … and how the hell are they gonna get out?”

    I assure you, the lady who wishes Elvis Happy Birthday on the anniversary of his death is no Felix Frankfurter. 😉 And the sad thing is, your partisan ass knows it too.

  185. Rabbit …. ahhhhh the trailing stop. I forgot about that one. Isn’t that where your stop order is set a certain percentage (or number of points) behind the current price and if the margin is exceeded the stop is executed? I may have used that on one of my “bets” back in the day.

    I’m telling you man …. get yourself a blogtalkradio show and give Cramer some competition!!! 🙂

  186. Telling someone in a wheelchair to stand up and be recognized?

    Giving a “shout out” at a commemoration of fallen heros from someone that thinks there are 52 states?

    I’ll take the mistake over Elvis’ birth/death gaff.

  187. ”In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died — an entire town destroyed.”

    —Barack Obama, on a Kansas tornado that killed 12 people

    ”It was also interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There’s a lot of — I don’t know what the term is in Austrian, wheeling and dealing.”

    —Barack Obama, Strasbourg, France, April 6, 2009

    ”One such translator was an American of Haitian descent, representative of the extraordinary work that our men and women in uniform do all around the world — Navy Corpse-Man Christian Brossard.”
    —Barack Obama, mispronouncing ”Corpsman” (the ”ps” is silent) during a speech at the National Prayer Breakfast, Washington, D.C., Feb. 5, 2010 (The Corpsman’s name is also Christopher, not Christian)

    ”I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”

    —Barack Obama, defending his tax plan to Joe the Plumber, who argued that Obama’s policy hurts small-business owners like himself, Toledo, Ohio, Oct. 12, 2008

    ”Now, what we’re doing, I want to be clear, we’re not trying to push financial reform because we begrudge success that’s fairly earned. I mean, I do think at a certain point you’ve made enough money.”

    —Barack Obama, on Wall Street reform, Quincy, Ill., April 29, 2010

  188. I assure you, the lady who wishes Elvis Happy Birthday on the anniversary of his death is no Felix Frankfurter. 😉 And the sad thing is, your partisan ass knows it too.

    😆 Okay, so she’s said some dumb some dumb things. That was a beauty, I’ll admit. Surprisingly, I even knew when she did it she was wrong. For some reason, I knew both Elvis’ birthday and death date. A master of trivia.

    But then you admit Obama is of marginal intelligence and an intellectual fraud, and that you were duped and turned a blind eye during the last election because Obama is black. Maybe Obama is a step or two ahead of some rank imbecile like Poolman, but not much more. Off the teleprompter, Obama is really lame – even a typical conversation.

    I consider him the dumbest President we’ve ever had, but a rocket scientist compared to Joe Biden who is flat out stupid.

  189. Hey Heinrich the pool cleaner…

    In 2009, Perry traveled to Israel where he was given the “Defender of Jerusalem” award. According to a local television report, he and his wife flew first class at more than $5,000 per ticket, paid for by an energy company financier. Four security detail officers also went on the five-day trip at a cost of more than $70,000 to taxpayers.

    Onion butt the wildebeest just cost the federal taxpayers $10,000,000 and we got absolutely nothing out of it, but her stinking fat ass out of the White House.

    Oh, I forget. Now I get your point Pool Mold!

    That didn’t cost your stupid ass a dime, as you’re one of the 50% paying nothing to the gov’t and living off the dole, while you welsh on the mortgage to Fannie. You ought to at least donate some cash to Planned Parenthood to cover the family hypocrisy.

    Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah!

  190. How does PP work?

    Let’s say I don’t want to pay for my wife’s gyno issues. Just common stuff, but I don’t have insurance.

    Is the only requirement I need is to be completely shameless?

    You have to qualify for food stamps.

    Are all yeast infections or ovary scans guaranteed to be taken care of by Nanny?

    I don’t get it.

    Poolman is a handy guy. A tradesman can ALWAYS make a little money. ALWAYS.

    Hell, its the only thing I respect of the vile scum, Poolman.

    There is no way a guy like him should look at his wife and say sorry, I can’t provide for your vagina.

    WTF?

    I could hustle a hundred bucks by 9 AM by just cleaning roof gutters. I know, I’ve done it. Just go door to door.

  191. Tax Tadler,

    😆 Who pulled your string?

    You are quite the comedian chameleon, not unlike your boy wonder.

    Recently from this very thread…

    Hitchens is a good, viable source if he says things you agree with.

    Graft is okay if there is presently an “R” after one’s name.

    ♪♫♪ Double your pleasure, double your dumb…

    😆

  192. Yeah, but you can imagine some of Poolman’s “handy” work – the same kind of quality that Obama brings to the Presidency?

    I can see Poolman’s whack jobs – rectangular pools that look more like triangles, POS won’t water. Or the dumb fuck forgets to add a drain. I guarantee Pool Mold’s name is shit at the better business bureau, when he’s not skipping town after digging the hole with grandma’s money.

    You know he’s a thief.

    Here’s a Poolman’s Deluxe Spa:

  193. Poolman, you got me.

    Let’s keep Obama the genius in office! You sure know how to pick ’em.

    Did you see where Bush said he saw the first plane hit the tower on t.v. Creeeeepy. Not only an imbecile, but willing to kill thousands of his own people to get rid of asbestos (or whatever). The video proves it. No way to explain what he said with that one other than he orchestrated the whole thing. Steel doesn’t melt, remember? Thankfully Rosie O’Donnell doing the heavy lifting on uncovering that conspiracy.

    Hey. How do you spell potato again? Hah. Never gets old.

    Remember how stupid Ford was? Fell down the steps of Air Force One!

    Oh God. I almost forgot. Reagan was a fucking moron too. Remember when he said ketchup was a vegetable and trees create pollution.

    Let’s see. . .

    Read my lips, no new taxes. Hahahahaha. Idiot.

    Republicans are loony morons. Every last one of them. So Obama, Biden and Onion Booty must be geniuses by comparison. No gaffs there. And look at their accomplishments. Biden was so smart he knew that plagiarism and cheating his was what the smart guys do. You know, like a Kennedy.

    Yeah a real pattern.

    Couldn’t stand to watch 7 or 8 minutes of your video. I’ll just take your word for it. Evil conspirators, right? (Just going out on a limb with that).

    You’ve convinced me we need more pussies. If only Moore or Garofalo would run.

    They’re not Jewish, are they?

    Run some of this back over to Fat Grannies. They know how to pick ’em too. And they’ll L-O-V-E- it.

    Poolman, you sure Bachmann wasn’t right? You of all people don’t think Elvis is dead, do you?

  194. How does PP work?

    Probably something you should have considered BEFORE you lambasted them. But then I saw your MO with the WMD angle in Iraq, ACORN, Katrina… 🙄

    1) Shoot first.
    2) Ask questions later.
    3) Change answers to align with PC history.

    How do like my new slogan in the new age of transparency?

    America: Redefining Christian, so we can be it’s nation.

    BTW, if there was any gyno work needed, I could hustle more than a couple hundred bucks by 9 AM by subbing out the gutter work. I’m the prime contractor on this street. 😎

  195. Tax,

    You’ll do anything to get your naked self seen on the net.

    Whadda goon!

    Actually Tig,

    I’m the Jew. And the vid was LESS than 7 minutes.

    Curious… What does that equate to in hours/$$$$?

  196. Poolman, do you believe the government is controling us via “chem trails” in the sky?

    At this point, I’m curious about what you don’t believe more then what you do.

    Chemtrails?

    Area 51?

    Did we put a man on the moon?

    Mothman?

  197. BBC radio did a bit on the Poolman phenomenon. 1 in 7 Americans believe America attacked America on 9-11.

    The consensus was that it gives people a sense of order to believe everything is orchestrated by a powerful government. Secondly, and even more integral to the “truther” movement, is the powerful impact of Hollywood. Conspiracies that are not remotely plausible become suspenseful realities on the big screen. Over and over again.

  198. Poolman is the originally grassy knoll, when he’s not stiffing the little, old ladies with poor craftsmanship and goosestepping to the clunker.

    I don’t know why I am surprised by Prime Time’s rabid anti-Jewry. His pattern logically fits right in to X-files, Area 51, Jooo hatred, Troofers, and any other hack machination these bozos can dream up.

    Part Goober, part Jethro, part Fox Mulder, part Joseph Goebbels. What a monster…

  199. Conspiracies that are not remotely plausible become suspenseful realities on the big screen.

    I think that’s a pretty good prognosis of what ills Prime Time and his gang of misfits. Like children and dogs, easily influenced. No telling what is in Prime Time’s VCR collection.

    I guarantee you if Feds raided the place, it would provide years worth of traffic for the Smoking Gun blog.

  200. No rabbit. The government would never allow anything or anyone to harm us or profit from our sicknesses. Their entire purpose is to protect us, so they would never deviate from their prime directive. Wouldn’t be prudent. People just die. Sometimes planes crash and buildings crumble. We never could build anything worth a shit. Especially the Yanks. I’m surprised they stayed up as long as they did and am certainly glad they were 2/3 vacant when they came down. Cancers just happen. We don’t get enough corn or glycerin in us. The sun is out to kill us. Medications are needed to fix all these ailments that just seem to plaque us as we evolve. God certainly didn’t provide a complete world for us. I mean, there wasn’t provision for all these evolving viruses and toxins. That’s why he evolved our brains. Remember the video? Brain the size of a pea. Now they’ve swollen to a man-sized organ. We are much more intelligent. We like to stroke it. We can do research, research, research, it takes time, time, time, time is money, money, money.

    Chemtrails? Maybe. I’m not going down that rabbit hole.

    Area 51? I think so. Did you even look at the FBI Tesla files? There is talk of the “Office of Alien Property” from 1943.

    Dude, there’s been more than a man on the moon.

    I don’t know what “Mothman” is and I don’t want google to document my history there. So for now, I remain uncommitted.

  201. Tax, if you were a trustworthy type, I could point you to my website where I would show you just how untrue your allegations are. But we all know how you are.

    I have seen UFOs. Even here in Phoenix. We had an entire ship cruise over the valley a few years back. Even our ex-governor the Fifinator claimed he saw them, too.

    Weird shit happens at night in the desert.

  202. Tax, if you were a trustworthy type, I could point you to my website where I would show you just how untrue your allegations are. But we all know how you are.

    Sure Prime Time. I’ll bet it’s a Jim Dandy. Do you have thousands of letters of recommendations your wife typed?

    Give me the company name and I’ll contact the local tax collector, ICE and state fraud unit.

  203. Sorry Tigre but 242 lacks intellectual rigor. You mix stupid gaffes ala Bachmann with statements you simply don’t agree with politically. But that’s to be expected because you can’t find that many true Obama gaffes.

  204. that you were duped and turned a blind eye during the last election because Obama is black.

    I admit no such thing. I loved the fact he was black but if you really think I could have voted for Hank “will Guam sink” Johnson with the same gusto that I voted for Obama then you don’t know me very well.

    And believe me, Bachmann is only slightly higher on the IQ scale than Hank Johnson. Bachmann has the gift of making stupidity go down well. Something her predecessor super star Palin could not.

    In fact I do give points to Bachmann because unlike Sarah or Rick, she listens to her handlers. She might be better for the long haul then Rick because I’m not sure Rick will ever stop shooting his mouth off. Then again (damn what a confusing race) the public likes Rick’s Texas cowboy display.

    It sure is entertaining!

  205. Cor(ppppp)sman one was pretty bad because it really wasn’t a gaffe at all. Dude is really that far removed from the military.

    I don’t get into the gaffe thing much as a whole. If you speak non stop to crowds, gaffes are bound to happen.

  206. If Poolman weren’t so stupid about everything else, I might give him a measure of credit about being able to distinguish between political anti-Semitism on the one hand and visceral Jew hatred on the other, of which I suspect Poolman falls in the latter camp.

    FWIW, Tex, I seriously doubt this. I know I see the Poolman way more benign than lots on this board … God knows I see him as more benign than Gorilla does but …

    I honestly haven’t read a thing on here that leads me to believe PM hates Jews personally. I even think if his daughter or son brought home a Jewish person as fiance, PM would welcome the new family member. I honestly think he has a problem with Israel and he has a political problem with our country’s unflinching support of Israel regardless of their actions. And I can understand that perspective. I think it’s made him a bit paranoid about Israel and Jew’s in general influence over what happens in the world …but then hell, PM is the paranoid type. I don’t find that viscerally hateful.

    I’ve always had a problem on this board with the perception that to question Israel is to be an anti-Semite. It’s the same mindset that says to question our military strategies is to be unpatriotic. It’s way too simple-minded a perspective IMHO.

  207. I saw a 3 “UFO”‘s in Iceland. Crazy looking shit. Round lights that moved super fast and then stayed in one spot.

    Unidentified flying objects have nothing to do with aliens. It’s just shit in the sky that looks weird. Clouds and lights and what I assume might have been fighter jets can produce some pretty intense illusions.

    I can’t lie though, it was creepy.

  208. Every now and then liberals Americans, white liberals Evangelical Christian Americans in particular, bend over so far backwards to defend the down-trodden black manJew that they fall on their ass.

    It could easily be the opening paragraph of yet another blog post. Maybe Poolman or Huck (who sees Israel a bit clearer than some on this board) might want to write THAT post.

  209. I saw a 3 “UFO”‘s in Iceland. Crazy looking shit. Round lights that moved super fast and then stayed in one spot.

    You were stoned dude, just admit it. 😉

  210. He was just fucking around when he said that….wasn’t he?

    I don’t know if you’re being sarcastic but no … he is JUST THAT STUPID.

    BTW, you really are right about the gaffes. When you talk in public non-stop some goofy sh*t is bound to come out of your mouth. On Hardball today, Michael Smerconish said the trick is to look for a pattern that might point more to rank stupidity than mere talk-fatigue.

  211. Your right, just like Poolman would never have the balls to spew his Veteran’s Today crap at my American Legion post, he wouldn’t have the balls to call a Jew out at the dinner table either.

    You are talking about a piece of garbage that thinks the same government that slaughtered its own citizens on 9-11 should have a greater role in your health care.

    Think about that.

    These fantasy driven idiots are able compartmentalize like a motherfucker.

  212. I’m curious about what you don’t believe more then what you do.

    This is going to be a very long list, so I’ll break it up in several chapters and episodes. For this first installation I’ll try to cover the things this “Christian” nation, through trusted love ones, convinced me were real, but I’ve since discovered they are not. Some of these change agents posed, from time to time, as the very beings they claimed existed. It was very impressionable, but there is always hope for almost complete rehabilitation, given a change is made toward a healthier psychological environment.

    I will probably miss a few here and there, so look for an amended compilation at a future date in an undetermined location. Okay?

    From the beginning…

    Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, Fairy Godmother, Boogeyman, Old MacDonald, Mother Hubbard, Lady in a Shoe, Man in the Moon, Little Jack Horner, Little Miss Muffet, Jack or Jill, Humpty Dumpty, Superman, Spiderman, Batman, Mighty Mouse, The Green Giant, Pillsbury Doughboy, The Great Pumpkin, The Green Hornet, Abominable Snowman, Frosty the Snowman, Bambi, Rudolph, Mr. Ed, Dick Clark, Kermit, Miss Piggy, Tigger and Pooh, George Jetson, Fred and Barney, …

  213. You are talking about a piece of garbage that thinks the same government that slaughtered its own citizens on 9-11 should have a greater role in your health care.

    Rabbit’s waxing patriotic, ain’t he?

    You either don’t read a word I post, or your scrubbing bubble brain enzymes are working overtime. I’d wager it’s a combination of both.

  214. In 1952 the number of independent voters nationwide was 22 percent. They now make up 40 percent.

    Still think that demographic is too small to make a difference? It put Obama in office; must have a *little* clout.

    Run the Great Rain Pray-er for Prez and you will see it work its magic again I predict…” – PF

    I saw this, which immediately made me think of this:

    Why, no, thank YOU! It is you and the ReBiblican lunatic fringe that got us here, and it is the ejection of the far-right nut jobs from the Party that will allow it to once again claim the title of “Grand.”

    I for one can’t wait to get my father’s Republican party back so I can proudly vote Republican again. Frankly, the anti-science, anti-education, anti-intellectual Party in its current form is an embarrassment. Those of us from the REAL GOP are frankly tired of watching this great nation be the laughingstock of the planet. Hope they wake up soon. ” – PF

    Where exactly is here? Please be specific.

    I’d also like to point out that the majority of us who are not supportive of Obama have also voiced concerns over the GOP, specifically that RINOs in the party. I maintain that I call myself a Conservative first, then Republican. And I’ll be honest that the Tea Party label is emerging between the two (As Rush would say, to those in Rio Linda, that would be Conservative, Tea Party, Republican). This doesn’t mean I support a third party- I don’t- it means I want to see the GOP cleansed and return to its Conservative roots of Constitutional rule and under the ideals of Lincoln.

    Along these lines, I’d point out the country is becoming more Conservative. I would agree that a lot of people have taken on the “independent” moniker, however, as long as they move towards Conservatism and as long as the Democrats embrace far-left progressive ideals, they will vote 99/100 times for the GOP.

    It is no secret that I have an issue with religion. I’ve voiced it here and am the only one who reminds folks- who ignore it anyway- to use the God Damned Roman Coliseum for their religious diatribes. Am I atheist? Absolutely not, but I’m jaded with organized religion. Part of that is the nature of my business, which unfortunately forces me into the worst of human society. I am a social conservative and frankly have no issue with prayer in school, saying the pledge of allegiance or celebrating the Ten Commandments outside of courthouses. You might think those are contradictory positions, and I suppose I would agree in the semantic sense of the argument, but I believe that this is a country that was founded and based on Judeo-Christian beliefs and that we should not be ashamed to celebrate and project that.

    It is who we are.

    I’d point out that fanatical belief is not restricted to just religion. Climate change buffoons embrace the theory with religious zeal, dangerously at the expense of everyone else. It’s a theory, and one that is being protected from objective review and challenge. We may be going through global warming, but no one has been able to differentiate between natural cycles and the theory that it is man-made.

    The point is that you- who voted for Obama- should be the last one to criticize the GOP for anything.

  215. I prefer to believe the account of survivors who were actually involved and match those to the supporting documents that are now mostly public. Seems to hold up better in the court of reality.

    DR, this is some funny shit, eh?

    In 1996 TWA flight 800 crashed off the coast of Long Island. Idiots like Piss Pot will claim that some missile shot it down. Eye witnesses claimed they saw something streaking up to the aircraft. Oh the humanity, the coverup!!!

    Except that it wasn’t shot down. There was a short in the center fuel tank, which ignited fuel vapors that exploded. That streak up was actually debris falling down. Eye witness accounts were inaccurate and inconsistent. People will latch onto theories and then- with religious ferver- not let go. Heaven forbid the facts get in the way.

    I’ve been to the hanger where TWA 800 has been reconstructed. I’ve seen the aircraft, I’ve seen the damage to the fuselage. I’ve spoken to investigators and analysts of the incident. The intelligence community was brought in specifically because of the missile theory, but it never panned out. There was no explosive residue on the aircraft. The damage doesn’t support a missile strike- it clearly shows an internal explosion. Regardless, the tin-foil brigade will go on and on about the “government” cover-up.

    Which brings us back to the Liberty. Like you said, shit happens. If there is any blame for the incident- and I don’t think there is- it lies with the US Navy (And I am a sailor, so I don’t like saying that, but it is true). 6th flt refused destroyer support to the Liberty and it didn’t send orders for the ship to relocate until after it had been attacked. Furthermore, they had warning from the Israelis that they would attack any unidentified ship off their coast. Since Liberty was an intelligence collecting platform, we did not inform the Israelis of the Liberty’s location.

    For those of us who have actually been in combat or have trained for such, we understand this.

    The great uncertainty of all data in war is a peculiar difficulty, because all action must, to a certain extent, be planned in a mere twilight, which in addition not infrequently — like the effect of a fog or moonshine — gives to things exaggerated dimensions and unnatural appearance.” Karl von Klauswitz, On War

    Today, we call these things unintended consequences, which typically arise because we failed to examine 2nd and 3rd order of effects. For every moron running around with a tin-foil hat story, there is a plethora of information that is likely being ignored, or quite simply misinterpreted. Some folks need a reason to hate, so they make it up, sometimes out of whole cloth, but normally it is a nugget of detail taken out of context and is then nurtured into some grand conspiracy. Occam’s razor typically sheds these conspiracies, but alas, if it wasn’t for the internet and anti-Semites, how else would Stormfront make it into normal dialogue?

  216. This is going to be a very long list, so I’ll break it up in several chapters and episodes.” – Piss Pot

    We don’t give a shit. Take it to the Coliseum…

  217. ”FWIW, Tex, I seriously doubt this. I know I see the Poolman way more benign than lots on this board … God knows I see him as more benign than Gorilla does but …

    I honestly haven’t read a thing on here that leads me to believe PM hates Jews personally. I even think if his daughter or son brought home a Jewish person as fiance, PM would welcome the new family member. I honestly think he has a problem with Israel and he has a political problem with our country’s unflinching support of Israel regardless of their actions. And I can understand that perspective. I think it’s made him a bit paranoid about Israel and Jew’s in general influence over what happens in the world …but then hell, PM is the paranoid type. I don’t find that viscerally hateful.

    I’ve always had a problem on this board with the perception that to question Israel is to be an anti-Semite. It’s the same mindset that says to question our military strategies is to be unpatriotic. It’s way too simple-minded a perspective IMHO.” – R

    Stormfront? Veterans Today? Jews controlling our government? Really?

    Sure they’d be welcome, especially in the winter- the ovens you know. Three words: Piece of shit.

    This is what confounds me by liberals, if you disagree with Obama, apparently you’re a racist who wants to murder black families in the street. Yet, calling for the destruction of Israel and propagating a general sense of hate and loathing for Jews in general is just a difference of opinion. Fuck me, would you guys get a grip. The man is a fucking racist. Hating Jews is no better than hating blacks, or Arabs, or Hispanics, etc, etc, etc. What do you think Stormfront is? Do you honestly think someone just happens to wonder there, and even if they do, if they’re not repulsed in the first 10 seconds, then there is something serious fucking wrong with them. Why you seem to accept and tolerate that kind of activity is beyond me. Why you think you somehow need to defend him is especially rich considering you’ll jump off a logical cliff in order to throw the race card at even the faintest hint of what could be misconstrued as racism towards Obama.

    I know the importance of ideas. I know how those seeds can be sowed, and nurtured along with tortured logic and in-contextual, tangential premises that feed the idea. I’ve seen it a hundred times, how do you think they recruit suicide bombers? Yeah, there are a substantial number who willingly go into it knowing full well what it is, but there are also a lot of folks who get brainwashed into it, and they get brainwashed by taking partial ideas- almost always out of context- and are isolated and fed, bit by bit, premises that support that idea. He’s no different. He claims clarity of thought, but he’s so out of the know it is ridiculous. But alas, he’s a true believer, no different than any other extremist who spews lies and distortion in the effort to recruit more followers.

    Its pretty simple-minded, IMHO, to tolerate such behavior.

  218. “Sorry Tigre but 242 lacks intellectual rigor.”

    Sorry to disappoint. That was my ten second Google search. But I find each of those incredibly stupid. The fact that you don’t demonstrates. . . lack of intellectual rigor. 😆

    Ever seen Obama without a teleprompter? Brilliance!

    But you’re right. Obama’s genius. Bachmann a moron. The Elvis thing proves it. Of course, you knew better when you heard it, right? We all have that day lodged in our memories. . . pffft. Moron.

    Funny. I consider Carter a pretty smart guy. Like Obama, must have been great president.

    Doesn’t the lack of intellectual rigor of “republicans are stupid, dangerous, racist loons but the left has nothing to show for all of its brilliance and rationality shit ever wear thin for you guys?” The biggest moron ever, Yellowdog, finds it most appealing. Kind of telling really.

  219. “But you’re right. Obama’s genius. Bachmann a moron.”

    Obama is quite intelligent and well-educated. Unfortunately he absorbed the Keynesian and Marxian POVs in the course of getting all that education – just like the intellectuals have supported socialism over the many years. They are plenty smart, just uninformed by reality.

    Bachmann’s a moron.

  220. Patriots and terrorists, today just a matter of perspective. Many things are labeled “unintended consequences”. It is usually a way of shirking responsibility or the official version of CYA.

    For every action, there are consequences, intended or not. The perpetrator of that action is responsible for both.

    “The attack on ‘Liberty’ was fading into obscurity until last week, when intelligence expert James Bamford came out with Body of Secrets, his latest book about the National Security Agency. In a stunning revelation, Bamford writes that unknown to Israel, a US Navy EC-121 intelligence aircraft was flying high overhead the ‘Liberty,’ electronically recorded the attack. The US aircraft crew provides evidence that the Israeli pilots knew full well that they were attacking a US Navy ship flying the American flag.

    Why did Israel try to sink a naval vessel of its benefactor and ally? Most likely because ‘Liberty’s’ intercepts flatly contradicted Israel’s claim, made at the war’s beginning on 5 June, that Egypt had attacked Israel, and that Israel’s massive air assault on three Arab nations was in retaliation. In fact, Israel began the war by a devastating, Pearl-Harbor style surprise attack that caught the Arabs in bed and destroyed their entire air forces.

    Israel was also preparing to attack Syria to seize its strategic Golan Heights. Washington warned Israel not to invade Syria, which had remained inactive while Israel fought Egypt. Bamford says Israel’s offensive against Syria was abruptly postponed when ‘Liberty’ appeared off Sinai, then launched once it was knocked out of action. Israel’s claim that Syria had attacked it could have been disproved by ‘Liberty.’

    Most significant, ‘Liberty’s’ intercepts may have shown that Israel seized upon sharply rising Arab-Israeli tensions in May-June 1967 to launch a long-planned war to invade and annex the West Bank, Jerusalem, Golan and Sinai.

    Far more shocking was Washington’s response. Writes Bamford: ‘Despite the overwhelming evidence that Israel attacked the ship and killed American servicemen deliberately, the Johnson Administration and Congress covered up the entire incident.’ Why?

    Domestic politics. Johnson, a man never noted for high moral values, preferred to cover up the attack rather than anger a key constituency and major financial backer of the Democratic Party. Congress was even less eager to touch this ‘third rail’ issue.

    Commander McGonagle was quietly awarded the Medal of Honor for his and his men’s heroism – not in the White House, as is usual, but in an obscure ceremony at the Washington Navy Yard. Crew member’s graves were inscribed, ‘died in the Eastern Mediterranean..’ as if they had be killed by disease, rather than hostile action.

    A member of President Johnson’s staff believed there was a more complex reason for the cover-up: Johnson offered Jewish liberals unconditional backing of Israel, and a cover-up of the ‘Liberty’ attack, in exchange for the liberal toning down their strident criticism of his policies in the then raging Vietnam War.”

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/margolis12.html

  221. I admit no such thing. I loved the fact he was black but if you really think I could have voted for Hank “will Guam sink” Johnson with the same gusto that I voted for Obama then you don’t know me very well.

    Baloney….pure racial politics, mixed with a heaping dose of failed lib dogma. A better way to ask would have been if Shrillary had been candidate, would you would have held your nose and voted for her, muttering under your breath about the Clinton’s latent racism? Hell yes, but without the same lying fervor.

    Obama is no smarter than the average schmuck in the ‘progressing to Gomorrah’ black caucus, most who are borderline morons and conspiracy theorists like Prime Time. Truth be know, most are not as intelligent as the average seeing eye dog.

    Like this head moron, whose name isn’t even worth looking up, accusing the tea party of wanting to hang blacks from trees. All he needs is some bright feathers strapped to the top of his head. A cockatoo repeating what he’s been taught.

    Polly want a cracker? Witless.

  222. Rutherford with all the jetsam here and your daily routine of which you play one party against the other to avoid commentary that makes you shudder, you are still avoiding obvious established fact, the evidence now overwhelming.

    Obama’s performance not only reflects a substantial gap between Obama’s office and his abilities, but is a direct assault on your own judgment.

    Once again, you are demonstrating that by not recognizing Prime Time the Pool ‘Builder’ is a rabid Jew and American hater. It consumes him.

    Prime Time is one of the real zealots under the banner of fringe ‘Christian’ denomination that you actually should be keeping an eye. The same type of ‘Christian’ that persecuted theologian Dietrich Bonhoeffer in Nazi Germany.

  223. (Telegraph) — A Kosovo Albanian Islamic extremist has confessed to murdering two American airmen and has blamed a faked jihad video showing US soldiers raping a Muslim girl for inspiring his crime.

    In an emotional confession to a Frankfurt court as his murder trial began on Wednesday, Arid Uka said he had become radicalised by online extremist propaganda before carrying out a lone gun attack US Air Force bus in March.

    “What I did was wrong, but I cannot undo what I did,” he said.

    Uka blamed a video purporting to show American servicemen raping a young Muslim girl for prompting him to try and stop other US soldiers from getting to Afghanistan.

    “I thought what I saw in that video, these people would do in Afghanistan,” he told the court.

    But the rape footage, billed as an authentic video entitled “what was done to our sisters,” turned out to be a fake using footage scene from the 2007 anti-Iraq war film “Redacted,” directed by Hollywood’s Brian de Palma.

    Liberals strike once again. I wonder, will de Palma apologize for the blood that is clearly on his hands? R, shall we continue to debate the impact a silly little idea could have? How about unsubstantiated accusations? Is it really too much to ask that the source be just as important as the message? Now, I’m not talking about not liking the source (Fox News vs. CNN, or Heritage Foundation vs. well, there isn’t a legitimate liberal policy think tank, Brookings maybe), rather, I’m talking about biased propaganda machines that spew hate and have no claim to legitimacy (say, Stormfront?).

    Lies can do a lot, even the little white ones…

  224. using footage scene from the 2007 anti-Iraq war film “Redacted,” directed by Hollywood’s Brian de Palma.

    Unbelievable. Had not read that. 😡

    Is there any doubt now that liberals market exclusively in prevarication? From AARP to zygote?

  225. PFessor, there’s an outstanding question for you…

    Where exactly is here? Please be specific. – G @ #280

  226. I consider Carter a pretty smart guy. Like Obama, must have been great president.

    Ehhh Tigre another bad logical leap. I never said a smart President would ipso facto be a great President.

    Let’s face facts. Unless something radical happens, Obama will not go down in history as a great President, even if he gets a second term. Smart people can be lousy leaders and I don’t necessarily quibble with those who say Obama lacks leadership skills.

    I find it interesting that we’re at a point where very substantive criticisms can be leveled at Obama and some of you guys are still going for the cheap shots about “mysterious academic records”, “falsified claims of authorship”, yada yada yada. The guy can’t get our country out of the hole it’s in. Time to figure out why and whether he can change course or if he has to go.

  227. “I find it interesting that we’re at a point where very substantive criticisms can be leveled at Obama and some of you guys are still going for the cheap shots about “mysterious academic records”, “falsified claims of authorship”…”

    That’s because now that we have convinced you Obama isn’t a leader, we are trying to convince you he isn’t all that smart, either.

  228. The guy can’t get our country out of the hole it’s in.

    The “guy” can’t pronounce corpsman correctly.

    Time to figure out why and whether he can change course or if he has to go.

    Time for you to figure out why you’re still having to ask that question. You have taken the first small step of issuing proclamation of the most obvious – he’s not a ‘great’ President. Accurate but insufficient – he’s a sorry excuse for a President; a disgrace; reprehensible; a disaster; an epic failure.

    Not only can The Won not figure it out, he and his band of academic midgets and Saul Alinskyites have greatly expedited the reasons for the massive failure, not to mention this is beginning to look like the most corrupt regime of modern times. And I’ll bet $10.00 right now, this “jobs” baloney speech coming down the pike will be nothing but rehashing and magnifying what is preventing a recovery, replete with more pouring money down a rat hole, still stuck on stupid.

    Times up. For the sake of the country, Obama and his cabinet should announce their resignations immediately and let Boehner have his shot. But that would require something called character – a fatal flaw in an ever more vapid current Pres.

  229. “I wonder, will de Palma apologize for the blood that is clearly on his hands?”

    Why should he?

    This goes right back to the shit Rutherford and the left do. They blame people for incitement instead of blaming the people who get incited.

    The person who chose to commit the act is the only person to be blamed for the act. Who de Palma should apologize to is the military he misrepresented.

  230. What’s this? Some kind of national joke and I don’t get the punch line?

    Obama Introduces Alan Krueger As Head Of Council Of Economic Advisers

    The Cash for Clunkers guru? 😡

    Someday, somebody in Hollywood is going to make a fortune parodying a movie about the Obama Administration – something like The Movie Airplane, complete with bouncing titties in the Whitehouse, probably right behind Joe Biden’s comb over while he’s wearing boxing gloves.

  231. “What’s this? Some kind of national joke and I don’t get the punch line?”

    It’s what happens when we put an upstart into the top spot. Since he has never actually done anything but run for office, he hasn’t developed a strong network of human resources. That’s why we have been flooded with Chicago cronies, Clinton leftovers, and campaign donors as advisers.

  232. Tex, in the spirit of friends not letting friend drive drunk, I give you the following facts about Perry to sober you up:

    He supported your nemesis Al Gore in 1988.
    He wrote a love letter to Hillary Clinton in 1993 regarding Hillary-care.
    The same article quoted above claims he supported the Fed bailout of 2008.

    Find yourself a new elephant my friend because your Perry is turning out to be a …

    RINO

    Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

    P.S. Joe Scarborough, a true conservative, cut Perry a new assh*le this morning. Called him a “dime store conservative”.

  233. Lies can do a lot,

    AMEN to that! And it is NEVER good.

    even the little white ones…

    There really is no such thing. This is the first deception.

    Thank God truth is the antidote and more potent.

  234. He supported your nemesis Al Gore in 1988.
    He wrote a love letter to Hillary Clinton in 1993 regarding Hillary-care.
    The same article quoted above claims he supported the Fed bailout of 2008.

    Find yourself a new elephant my friend because your Perry is turning out to be a …

    You know “R”, one thing that excites me about a former lost Dimocrat becoming a new Republican is that they invariably they end up the best, most rabid Conservative Republican. I give you Ronald Reagan and my wife, who is still a registered Dimocrat (DINO). You know little of Southern Dimocrats…

    But Perry is not necessarily my first choice – he’s just the best, most electable of the cast running IMHO. Short of this Huntsman ass whiff and I’m not crazy about Elvis Bachmann either, anybody selected short of Palin will be a monumentally better choice than the venereal disease currently holding the office. Even Ron Paul.

    Joe Scarborough, a true conservative, cut Perry a new assh*le this morning. Called him a “dime store conservative”.

    🙄

    Joe is on MSNBC. That’s all the qualification I need to know about the Scarborough affair to ably assess his sound judgment. Joe is Republican like David Frum is Republican. Anybody from the Left that recommends a Republican as knowledgeable and qualified?

    Red Flag. You immediately know they recognize a fellow lib masquerading as Republican. A HuffPo; RINO – and that’s every bit as bad as Obama. All must be cleansed from the earth….

  235. It’s what happens when we put an upstart into the top spot. Since he has never actually done anything but run for office, he hasn’t developed a strong network of human resources. That’s why we have been flooded with Chicago cronies, Clinton leftovers, and campaign donors as advisers.

    Completely concur. I haven’t seen such a conglomeration of lowlifes, anarchists, pinkos and losers since Rosie O’Donnell lost her TV show.

  236. Its a tedious and silly game you play, I was clear on what here I was refering to:

    “Why, no, thank YOU! It is you and the ReBiblican lunatic fringe that got us here, and it is the ejection of the far-right nut jobs from the Party that will allow it to once again claim the title of “Grand.”

  237. gorilla –

    My apologies – I didn’t look closely at the poster and thought it was Tigre playing some more bullshit games.

    You know exactly what I mean by “got us here.” The ReBiblicans have – if not taken over the GOP – at least begun to exert an inordinate amount of influence and have made us the laughingstock of the planet, as they – with a straight face – front candidates like Sarah Palin, Bachmann and that Arkansas preacher whose name escapes me right now.

    You really, honestly don’t get it, do you? The world may be laughing at us, but in point of fact, is scared shitless that some Armageddon-laden, bible-thumping, rain-prayin’ loony is going to be elected to be in charge of a nuclear arsenal that could sterilize the surface of that planet – and if not that, then at least make the few survivors WISH they were dead. And some of the folks here think that would be just dandy. Are you f’in shitting me?

    Some of you guys really need to get out more. It’s a big world out there, and most of the folks who live in it haven’t the slightest interest in your imaginary god, his son or living under their Laws or the boots of their followers.

  238. G, you’ll see from 307 why your comment got caught in moderation trap. You accidentally stuttered on your name when you posted.

    I’ll read the article after lunch.

  239. So word is that Hurricane Irene could make the list of Top 10 Costliest US disasters.

    Fair enough.

    But when Barack Obama starts crying about how much money, time and resources it has cost and how much it has screwed up his plans for our recovery (which we know he will since he has already blamed Japan’s weather for our lack of recovery), it will be important to remember some critical context.

    Here is a list of the current Top 13 costliest weather disasters since 1980.

    George W. Bush had to contend with 8 of the 13 costliest natural disasters of the last 30 years.

  240. Tex, Texas pride is really blinding you. Real shame. I’ll be here to enjoy watching your buyer’s remorse if Perry ever makes it to the White House.

    As for Joe Scarborough … do some heavy lifting and show me from his legislative record why he’s a rino. I bet you can’t. Being on MSNBC is about making a buck just as much as it is about following any particular ideology. I think you dislike Scarborough because he’s not afraid to call out the loons.

    My gut now tells me Perry is an opportunistic phony. I’m even beginning to wonder if the whole religious thing is a put-on too. Hey Pfesser and Huck, maybe not as much to worry about there as you thought?

  241. George W. Bush had to contend with 8 of the 13 costliest natural disasters of the last 30 years.

    Ahhhhh so that is why Bush screwed the economic pooch. Thanks for clearing that up Huck. 🙂

  242. “I’m even beginning to wonder if the whole religious thing is a put-on too. Hey Pfesser and Huck, maybe not as much to worry about there as you thought?”

    That would make it worse. Prayer as agency shows that the person cares to try and correct a problem. It just happens that I don’t agree with that form of agency.

    A phoney claiming to use prayer he doesn’t believe in as agency would tell me that the person doesn’t really see the problem and, like with his faith, is simply paying lip service to it.

  243. It’s a big world out there, and most of the folks who live in it haven’t the slightest interest in your imaginary god,

    PF usually I agree with your religious take but I can’t back you on this assertion. There are a BOATLOAD of folks who believe in that “imaginary God” …. more do than don’t. I don’t have the stats at hand to prove it but I’m still sure I’m right. Now if you’re saying that ultimately most are posers, well that’s an entirely different argument.

  244. Rutherford:

    I back that statement with what I believe are pretty accurate statistics: About 33% of the world is Christian.

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm

    And their data comes from the US Centre for World Mission.

    As for the “boatload” theory, didn’t you just scold someone for using exactly the same logic? I believe it was the sane man in the asylum argument.

    But no matter. Christians are according to this site, a 1/3 minority, so the statement about most folks having no interest in being ruled by the Christian god and her minions still stands.

  245. Total fucking chicken-shit move, right here.

    “Pay attention to me and not to the group of people who want my job.”

    And if the House says “kiss off, we’re not coming back that day for you” he and his will attack with “I guess you don’t care about jobs.”

  246. Labels are just that. We always try to judge by outward appearance. In our age of great discovery, we are still “judging a book by its cover”. A lot of those labels/covers are put there to mislead. To sell something.

    Bait is only effective if the fish are hungry and searching for substance. Look closely as there are PLENTY of barbs. The nicer it looks, the more skeptical one should be. “Don’t go to the market hungry… “If it looks too good… These are valid sayings.

    Perry sure “looks” good. So does Bachmann, for that matter. Even Obama looks good, despite being in a sea of sharks and piranhas.

    But the LORD said to Samuel, “Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.

    Is there a difference between human hearts physically? Spiritually? Would we shed this mortal coil and reveal our very real essence? “Look me in the eye” is still very valid. How much of our communication IS eye to eye? It is easy to deceive and be deceived when you cannot SEE into the heart. The eye is that lens. How much light do you see in there? Avoiding eye contact? Very revealing. Want to convince me? Look me in the eye.

    “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism but accepts men from every nation who fear him and do what is right.

    There’s your inclusion and moral code. That includes Iran and North Korea folks, along with Israel and ALL the Arab states. Sorry it doesn’t follow the rhetoric. Someone’s in the wrong.

  247. so the statement about most folks having no interest in being ruled by the Christian god and her minions still stands.

    Ahhh, ok I missed the “your imaginary god” with your being Christian. Ok I’m with you now on the numbers. I thought you were being more generic in your definition of God.

    As for the asylum argument, you’re mixing apples and oranges. Number of adherents does not prove the validity of any particular religion, which is what I told Tex, but number of adherents sure does factor into how influential that band of lunatics might be.

  248. Total fucking chicken-shit move, right here.

    ROTFLMAO …. Huck, it’s called politics and it’s a masterful move. Don’t get me wrong, I’m pissed off too as I wanted to watch the GOP debate and I now have to probably TiVo it and watch Obama live.

    NBC can’t be too happy about this either. It’s their debate.

    But it’s a masterful move for JUST the reason you gave. If you were Obama’s adviser in the White House you would have advocated for this very strategy.

  249. Hey G, not for nuthin’ but I appreciate your sharing your take on the whole religious thing. Yes, I do find your stance a bit contradictory but then life is full of contradictions. I’ve always had an inkling of where you were on this but it’s good to see it spelled out so articulately.

  250. “…number of adherents sure does factor into how influential that band of lunatics might be.”

    You might be using such words to get a rise out of Tex. I admit to have done so, as well.

    But if you are serious, I would just say that I think it is unfair to label those with faith as “lunatics.” Scientifically and objectively speaking, there is a place in the human brain that “controls” (for lack of a better word) such things. If only Hippie Prof was here to tell us where it is. But the point is…having faith in things, religion included, is rooted in the brain. It is the mind working as it is supposed to work.

    Just had to get that out there.

  251. “If you were Obama’s adviser in the White House you would have advocated for this very strategy.”

    Not if he was already running around crying that party politics is what is wrong with America.

  252. And to expand…

    “Not if he was already running around crying that party politics is what is wrong with America….”

    …because, while it wouldn’t come from his partisan opponents, it shows anyone who is paying attention that he is a part of that problem and not a part of the solution.

  253. As far as political strategy, Ace of Spades just gave Boehner the counter for Barry’s bullshit move.

    Why wait until the 7th? “There must be no delay, let’s do this sooner, not later.”

    If Obama refuses, “he doesn’t care about jobs.” And he had best not be seen on the golf course between now and the 7th if it does go this way.

  254. OT, but so hokey I had to share.

    You would have to live where I do to really appreciate that ad. I would say MOST of the pickups in this area have small rotatable aerials mounted to the cabs permanently, to trace down hunting dogs with beeper collars.

  255. I continue to be amazed that there are those of you who think you either bait me, or mock me, or even can pass what I fully well recognize as counterfeit religion and be effective in your argument. How delicious a fairytale that must sound to some of you. I can certainly understand your confusion at how irrational we must sound.

    This comment is intended in no way resemble reverse psychology – be my guest, for I could debate God for hours and your criticisms and insults only further my cause. Far more interesting than politic and certainly not trivial like politic.

    When I speak of my faith here, it is not truly of the personal nature, though it knits my most cherished and deeply held convictions from which I derive my important conclusions. If I speak of Christianity here, it is to simply share the how and the why I draw my conclusions as it necessary to explain, or perhaps to pique an interest of the how and the why I come to my conclusions, or to provide further explanation at my reasoning. It really isn’t to proselytize, as I would be on better behavior if it were. Your responses only serve to reaffirm my own convictions.

    When men of weak character and self-servitude like Pfesser, intelligent but unwise, educated but ignorant, at enmity with God and with love of self, I understand his intent is meant to anger me. But why? If Pfesser has complaint, it can’t be directed at me, for I can make no such claim as special revelation or divinity than he can. Is not Pfesser’s real war with Christ?

    So when Pfesser points to irrelevant majority or minority or number, he himself is only reaffirming what Christ promised straight from the Sermon on the Mount:

    “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

    I believe this with all my heart, as does any Christian worth his salt.

    Having said that…

    ——–

    If Rick Perry isn’t your cup of tea, then don’t vote for him. I reserve the right to change my own mind. But I don’t believe you can knock someone calling himself Christian, then attempting to live his life accordingly – or at the very least, give the right message. If that makes you terribly uncomfortable, then you should actively campaign for someone else.

    But just as I would expect a Muslim to praise Allah, I expect a Christian to praise Christ. Just as I would expect a Muslim to quote the Koran, I expect a Christian to know and use the New Testament. That may make the unbelievers of which are the majority here uncomfortable, but surely you should recognize a man of faith is most influenced by his faith? Rick Perry claims Christ as his savior. So do I. So you need to recognize we Christians can no more leave Christ out of the equation, even secular questions of a secular Constitution, than we can remove a part of the body. It’s who we are.

    But let me ask a fair question(s) to you unbelievers. If I am wrong, if we are so few in number and so powerless, if our faith but a fairytale and our stories but a punch line, why did so many of our founding documents, and symbols, and historical records, and countless churches that preceded the formation of country and dot thousands of street corners from the thirteen colonies contain either direct quotations or references to Judeo-Christian scripture? Why the beautiful stories of Pilgrims and Puritans? Why do we recognize Thanksgiving and Christmas? Why the mention of God in our Declaration of Independence – the God that gives man his rights according to our Founders, including the supposed “unbelievers” who signed their names to the document? Why our mottoes and creeds of our oldest and highest ranked schools direct references to God, Christ, and scripture?

    Could it be that maybe it is Christians with far closer intent to our Founders then men like Pfesser, who resembles no one I have found of any historical significance besides Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot, and perhaps the leaders of a failed and humanist current Western Europe.

    Speaking only for myself and this is only my opinion, but I find great comfort in a man that is humble enough to admit he hasn’t all the answers and leans to what he feels is the wisdom given to him by a higher power. If mortal man is all there is, I’m afraid it is my conclusion we are in very serious trouble.

  256. Huck, you’re right, lunatic was a very poorly chosen word. Not so much to insult Tex but to show some solidarity with PF. I do agree with you. We all operate on some level of faith so I gather it is wired into the normal functioning brain. It is indeed a lunatic who goes to sleep every night terrified the sun won’t rise the next morning. And science only goes so far to “guarantee” that the sun will rise tomorrow. There is still an element of faith in that.

  257. Unfortunately Huck, companies hiring already employed people is wired into the system normally anyway. The “unemployed” are like lepers. Companies won’t touch them unless they have some confidence the period of unemployment was spent someway productive. On the one hand I can’t blame them for that approach but it sure makes matters even harder.

  258. I am in agreement with much of what you say, Tex. But let me point out Obama has also made a very public profession of faith.

    What makes his confession any less valid than say, a Perry, a Bachmann, or a Bush?

    I think that is where the problem lies with those “outside” the church. We are not united or consistent. The call hypocrisy, many times its valid. The narrow gate you quote is very valid. We are a minority, if you believe those words. So the first notion should be some are posers.

    “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

    We must learn to separate the sheep from the wolves. The wolves have always been among us and we don’t even recognize them. We’ve called, “Wolf!!” too many times.

    Jesus ALWAYS knew what was within Judas. The disciples did not. Judas was very good at aping the faith. Believers need the Holy Spirit to discern spirits. Most are operating in their own power. The church needs to be purified as the wise virgins of the parable. That oil is the fire of God. If it isn’t in you or your fellow believers, then the lukewarm condition of your heart will leave you ineffectual. That fire is all-consuming and cannot be quenched. We cover it or douse its flame with our choices. We do have freewill – choice of good or evil, after all. Until the church is united and empowered spiritually, we will have less appeal to a starving and dying world.

    Theology never saved anyone’s soul. Book knowledge never replaces practical application. That, in essence was the constant debate between Jesus and the church, and why the fundamentalists finally killed Him to try to shut Him up. Of course WE know that was the Father’s plan all along to which many are blinded and by which all creation are redeemed.

    But God opens the eyes of whomever He pleases. No words will ever sway minds as strongly as actions and the manifested results -the fruits. HS is the disinfectant and living water. The more you use the more you have at your disposal. 😀 Marvelous mystery indeed..

  259. “Chicken-shit move.”

    Huck, it ain’t masterful, it ain’t clever, it ain’t effective at anything other than showing that he’s all about partisan gamesmanship. It’ll backfire because it’s aggravating, especially to those that he needs to reach — the ones that care and want to follow along.

  260. I’m a fake Christian as I have no relationship with Jesus. Yet, I go to church and even pray with people, usually when they are suffering.

    When it comes down to it, I’m just as atheist/agnostic as Pfessor and Rutherford.

    Yet, its shocking to me the different ways we see Christianity as an influence.

    The Christians I have met are usually the people who I want to lead.

    They are more likely the kind of people who will make the tough decision if its the right decision.

    I have seen Christianity time and time again be a positive force of change. I’ve seen it rebuild ruined lives. I’ve seen it keep families together as functioning units based on love and respect.

    I’ve seen people quit heroin by simply reading the New Testament.

    I’ve seen suburban white boys survive some of the toughest juvenile prisons imaginable and do it with integrity.

    This garbage that Christians are prone to rash behavior is total bullshit.

    Forget the atheists, as we all know the record of Mao and Stalin.

    Look at how nasty deism and humanism can be! The French Revolution is a great example of radical deism gone amok.

    Fellow Atheists, it is you who need to get out more. I don’t get you guys.

  261. Every year at the start of the school year, I can pick the kids from devout Christian homes. I bet Rutherford and Pfessor could too.

    Why do you think that is? What am I seeing that is so obvious?

  262. But let me point out Obama has also made a very public profession of faith.

    What makes his confession any less valid than say, a Perry, a Bachmann, or a Bush?

    Well, if I find out Perry, or Bachmann, or Bush is pastored by a man who says God Damn America, and has accused the white man of spreading HIV through the black community, I might agree with you. Or, if hear out of any of the above mouths mocking the Sermon on the Mount I might agree with you. Or if I find out George Bush or Rick Perry is an abortion on demand proponent at any stage, I might agree with you. It’s called discernment.““““““““““““““““`

    What was it you were saying again about separating the sheep from the wolves?

    Frankly Poolman, you and I are of different faiths, no matter what we call ourselves. Unlike someone say like BIC who I find common ground, I find you a tare amongst the wheat, a pharisee, a hater of God’s chosen, unable to discern truth and light, and a rank propagandist of the worst order.

    I can’t even say that about Pfesser.

  263. The best spreaders of propaganda and evil are those that don’t even know they are doing it. Forgive them Father, they know not what they do.

    Tell me Christian, do you believe there are different degrees of lies?

  264. Rabbit, I am much further removed from Christianity than you, and I share your observations and agree.

    But one thing is for certain, when it comes down to it, you are in no way “just as atheist/agnostic as Pfessor and Rutherford.”

    They perceive Chritianity as symptom of naivete and weakness of intellect.

    R forgives it in Obama because he knows Obama is not really a religious man and will forgive him for anything that is politically motivated.

    PF just mocks it.

    Both consider it dangerous.

    Although we don’t embrace it, you and I clearly don’t find it dangerous.

    However, Perry makes such displays of his faith in connection with virtually every campaign event, it makes me a little uncomfortable. Not because of his faith, but because of the message it sends to those outside of his base. It is a matter of judgment in presenting his message.

  265. There is not a politician in America but Pete Starks, who even his colleagues note is a pompous ass and disdained representing San Fran (and he is quiet about it), who doesn’t claim some form of “religion.” Pfesser couldn’t be more wrong, as even politicians realize the vast number of constituents are far more comfortable with a man or woman of some form of faith than an atheist. Secular Jews or Hillary Rotten will cop a yamaka or King James on the appropriate holiday, even if they probably are godless. They certainly are not going to advertise it on the public square.

    Pfesser could no more get elected by advertising his militancy than Larry Flynt could – and he would be just about as respected in public.

    These nihilists carry absolutely zero clout in the public spectrum.

  266. Tex, I am fascinated that the fakers (e.g. Clintons, Obamas) are acceptable to Rs (and I assume PFs), but those of true faith are a threat.

    What would MLK or Gandhi say?

  267. Tigre,

    Who could Pfesser really support if he were being honest? Short of Pete Stark, without doubt the biggest asshole in Congress and has been for years, there is nobody. Obama’s religion of politics is about as close as it gets.

    Ron Paul is the dreaded Protestant Christian and a regular churchgoer. He’s pro-life, against gay marriage (unless he has changed his stance), not even a dire hard with evolution which is pretty much my stance (ouch).

    Pfesser should vote for Obama again if he is to be consistent.

  268. Ron Paul doesn’t wear his religion on his sleeve. Based on his record, I think he follows scripture closer than others mentioned herein.

    However, he scares anyone wanting to maintain the “good ole boy” network and keeping the neocon dream afloat. He will split the GOP, as he usually does.

    Tex,

    So Obama’s former minister disqualifies him from the Christian club, in YOUR opinion? I bet you haven’t even listened to the entire sermon you cite, all the while pulling up those sound bites that offend YOU. I listened to the entire sermon for context, the way sound judgments SHOULD be made. That sermon was actually very good, imo.

    I do wish Obama had kept his balls, those he had when he started his campaign for POTUS. I think his handlers castrated him around then, making him an official democrat of the party. Once elected, I suspect the establishment removes the backbone, too.

    But this Perry is a sham, on the same junket as Hagee.

    http://www.texasobserver.org/forrestforthetrees/rick-perry-pastor-prophet-president

    😆 This one cracked me up. 😆

    “We are going to see a Third Great Awakening in American history,” shouted Billy Humphrey, a leader of the International House of Prayer (IHOP) in Atlanta.

    Apparently IHOP is more than just pancakes.

  269. I bet you haven’t even listened to the entire sermon you cite, all the while pulling up those sound bites that offend YOU. I listened to the entire sermon for context, the way sound judgments SHOULD be made. That sermon was actually very good, imo.

    You mean the jumping around like chimps Prime Time, the Tare? Reminds me of your sermons you attend.

    The overall crowd, where dirty old men like you doodle the boys in Sunday School you teach, and plan secret signs for their super secret fraternity, while stealing out of the tithe bucket.

    Don’t tell me you don’t, you thief. Probably stealing five dollar bills while adding a quarter or two, knocking your knuckles on the bottom of tithe plate to make it sound like you’re adding some coin.

    You got no place to be calling anybody phony, Prime Time.

    Now go pay that telephone bill with the stolen cash. 😉

  270. Here’s another fantastic guest sermon at the zoo at Prime Time’s favorite church away from home. Right down the street from feeding the 5,000 with five loaves and two fish. Some fine preaching of ….

    ….

    of something.

    This alone should have disqualified Baroke O’Bummer from the Presidency. And you voted for him Prime Time! Great Job!

  271. …lol…..I forgot about that guy.

    That was just plain ol’ mean spirited, divisive shit. There was no Christian point…at all.

    Makes me long for the days of the Spanish Inquisition. I have a feeling Queen Isabella would have shut that fool up in a hurry.

    Is that asshole excommunicated, yet?

  272. I just lost a softball game in which I was up, 2 outs, tie game, guy on second. I lined out to center.

    I could lose a grand in the market and it wouldn’t have shit on the anger I have after personally losing a rec league softball game.

    37 years old and I want to punch a hole in the wall over a softball game.

  273. “Who could Pfesser really support if he were being honest?”

    Nobody. Including Paul.

    The “bullshit games” he accuses me of is nothing but a dodge. I am more than familiar with the tactic. Feign confusion over the meaning of a clear question, and in this instance one that he himself claims insightful. Depends on what your definition of “is” is comes to mind.

    The contempt coming from the intellectually dishonest over those that are at least honest in their beliefs is truly pathetic.

    And Tex, you are right. From an irreligious type such as myself, I can say that it is indeed the Godless that are to be feared, not the other way around.

  274. That was just plain ol’ mean spirited, divisive shit. There was no Christian point…at all.

    🙂 That so called man of the cloth is as phony as Prime Time.

    But I could see Poolman up in the pulpit dancing around in his cheap striped polyester shirt button down with brass buttons and a few coffee stains on the chest, half of it untucked in the back, wiping his brow with a hankerchef, stirring up some good old Jooo hatred amongst the brethren.

    I’m a Joooo! I’m a Zionist! There’s a Christian sitting in my box!

    Glory BE! Preach it Poolman! Preach it brotha! (ROLLS DOWN AISLE).

  275. BTW, R, when you said, “you mix stupid gaffes ala Bachmann with statements you simply don’t agree with politically” you forgot that Obama ran away from those statements himself claiming not to agree with them politically. But that happens when you don’t really believe what you say, as when the teleprompter malfunctions.

    Keep cheering the masterful scheduling conflict. Your friends at MSNBC no doubt find it humorous and clever. Let’s see how that works for him with the other people he claims to lead.

  276. Yeah that’s the problem with setting up contentious scenarios in which you think you are going to win.

    Sometimes you lose, instead.

    Obama lost this one. The big problem with that is…it was his game.

  277. Any lib takers on Obama’s jobs program speech will be a cash for clunker? 🙂

    I understand the jobs report Friday might be a bigger clunker. States have been laying off people by the droves trying to balance their budgets.

  278. Obama’s address still gives him a grand stage to unveil his economic agenda, but it will compete with the opening game of the National Football League season — a conflict the White House wanted to avoid.

    That came from that article you posted, Tigre. 😀 Life is so surreal, anymore. Well it always has been a game of sport.

  279. I’m spooked over that jobs report, Friday.

    A storm is going to hit the gulf.

    Edmunds is claiming that the Big 3 over supplied the market, betting on a recovery.

    I expect unemployment to spike up again in these parts again by Christmas.

    Plus, states are shedding jobs.

    I’m getting out of oil and taking my few hundred bucks profit and betting on….beef, baby.

    I saw on the news that they have to slaughter a ton of cows because of the drought in Texas.

    This means that there will be a shortage of beef late Fall, early winter.

    Ill probably buy the ETF “COW” in the form of calls.

    Cow calls, motherfuckers. Get some.

  280. A couple of quick comments before I go to bed.

    Rabbit, the notion of your being atheist is laughable. True atheists don’t struggle with religious faith. They are 99.999% sure there is no God and therefore they don’t try to seek Him … it would be like looking for Santa Claus. You want desperately to know God, and to know Christ. You feel guilt about your doubt. Sorry that disqualifies you from atheism. I shouldn’t say sorry because you don’t want to be an atheist. You disdain them and feel they do much harm if given power, just as Tex does. So rather than sorry … congratulations.

    As for figuring out which kids come from devout homes, I recuse myself because I am not a teacher and I don’t see a bunch of kids each September from which I can pick out the devout ones. I’ll say this. Most families profess faith which means the odds are better than even that every punk kid, every bully, every snot-nose brat, comes from a family of faith. So while I find your generalization absurd, I’ll defer to you simply because you have the anecdotal data at your disposal as a teacher, and I do not.

    Tex is absolutely right about no out of the closet atheist ever becoming President in the near future. If there is one iron clad litmus test for the presidency it is professing belief in God and more often in Jesus Christ in particular.

    Ron Paul is against gay marriage according to Tex. Actually, wrong Tex. Ron Paul believes government should get out of the marriage business. He believes any two consenting adults should be able to set up a contractual commitment (civil union perhaps?) and leave marriage to the Churches. I tend to agree with him on this.

    I am fascinated that the fakers (e.g. Clintons, Obamas) are acceptable to Rs (and I assume PFs), but those of true faith are a threat. — Tigre

    Wrong again. First no one can really sit in judgment of another man’s faith. I strongly suspect Obama to be a fraud religiously. I think the dude is a closet atheist. But I can’t prove it. Bottom line, I have absolutely no problem — as I’ve said before — with our President’s being Christian. I assume they are. They can’t get elected without professed faith anyway. What concerns me is when they suggest by their rhetoric that late in the night they might hear “a voice” telling them to bomb Cuba. That’s when I get concerned. I also get concerned when I think they might force feed religious dogma down my daughter’s throat in the school system.

  281. You’re down on oil Rabbit? Could be, but I purchased some more today and will move a chunk to cash tomorrow. My broker friend is trying to get me to buy even more gold. I’ve made 42% so far on gold, but good grief. How much higher can it realistically get?

    This nation has been cursed by the legacy of the failed Obama and that gold digging, Amazon criminal he’s married to. Until Obama’s sorry ass is removed from a place of importance, and millions of rubes who voted for Obama seek penance, I forecast a number of plagues to come. 😈

    I was just thinking how can millions of Americans be so stupid to elect this clown? Obama is just incompetent as hell, the people this stooge has surrounded himself are even worse, and all of them are as useless as pet rocks. You rubes who voted for him do realize $4.00 gallon a gas is now the norm?

    The fact this vote could be close demonstrates beyond a shadow of a doubt just how fucked up this country really is. Our founders are turning in their graves by electing this PC farce. Let’s not be stupid enough to repeat the same mistake.

  282. He believes any two consenting adults should be able to set up a contractual commitment (civil union perhaps?) and leave marriage to the Churches.

    Your right in principle but wrong in conclusion. Paul’s own outline says he personally wants gov’t out of marriage (so do I, as I want federal gov’t out of about everything including Roe v. Wade), but Paul finds the idea of “gay marriage” an oxymoron.

    I’ll find the outline tomorrow.

  283. “Mr. Speaker, while I oppose federal efforts to redefine marriage as something other than a union between one man and one woman, I do not believe a constitutional amendment is either a necessary or proper way to defend marriage.” ~ Ron Paul

  284. I think it was Gorilla who posted the article on Perry’s chances at nomination. The article was sound. What the article didn’t say was that Perry will have to dial back some stuff in the general. Extremists in the primary are hunky dory but to win independents, you’ve got to track closer to the middle.

  285. I don’t think Obama is a pussy. I think he’s a bumbling moron, who doesn’t have a clue to to fix things, surrounded by a bunch of academic dunces. Obama is a narcissist and statist until the end.

    But Obama is smart enough to recognize there are 50MM people either so dependent on government to eat, or so immersed in queerdom and progressive bullshit, you’ll be peeing in your pants in front of Styrofoam columns within a year for him when he makes hundreds of promises he has no intention or ability to keep. You watch.

    Obama is not going to lose his base either. Liberal worms and the dinosaur media will come about strong next summer singing his praises and lying about his opponent any way you can. It is your religion.

    It will be even nastier than 2008, because there is no way in hell you can defend this naked emperor’s flunking scorecard. So you’ll sink to new lows to lie, fudge data and stuff ballot boxes next November. ACORN, econazi AGW types, academia and the black caucus will be making death threats and screaming racism, anarchists will be rioting, every mooch, leech and parasite will be crying in the streets, and Obama will garner 45% of the vote Dimocrats have bought for 50 years.

  286. Tex, I’ll grant you 50% of the point on Ron Paul in that I believe Paul is defining marriage religiously. Take religion out of the picture and I don’t think Paul gives a damn what consenting adults do with each other …. like a true libertarian.

  287. What do you think of his strategist now?

    If you don’t stick with the strategy, the strategy ain’t worth sh*t.

    Damn ….. Boehner must have pictures of Obama humping some intern. Why else would we get the constant capitulation? 😦

  288. R, there is something really special about this Administration. I mean really, from touring the mid-West touting American jobs in a Canadian-made armored bus to this:

    (US News) — To show her support for American workers, President Obama’s labor secretary, Hilda Solis, has junked the standard black limo and purchased a new Chevrolet Equinox to ride around Washington in. The problem: the crossover SUV is built and assembled in Canada from parts also made in Canada.

    And this just days before Obama gives his Jobs strategy during the GOP debate the start of the NFL season (he he he he) where he is likely going to push for made in America. Tell me, where does bad optics end and pure stupidity begin?

  289. I just can’t get over this Obama jobs speech flub. It won’t do anything for independents or republicans, other than make us laugh, but for the left! HA! Apoplectic shock! I fully predict that R’s next blog will be specifically about this mixed with a smattering of other Obama “compromises”, which will essentially sum up how BO is a great big political pussy.

    I love it! Fratricide! Red on Red!

    Do it R, frag the motherfucker!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  290. It’s hard to find an economist who questions the relationship between the minimum wage and employment, specifically, that a higher minimum wage reduces employment opportunities for young, low-skilled and inexperienced workers.

    After all, this is Economics 101. The impact of price changes and volumes of economic studies over nearly seven decades affirm this negative relationship.

    President Obama, however, has found just such an economist, and has chosen him to head up the Council of Economic Advisers.

    Princeton University economist Alan Krueger is one of the very few economists challenging minimum-wage orthodoxy. In the early 1990s, he and David Card offered analysis purportedly showing that, in the case of a minimum-wage increase and the New Jersey fast food industry, a higher minimum wage not only fails to decrease employment, but could actually increase it. Assorted left-wing and labor-union groups, of course, have since ignored the seemingly countless studies showing the employment ills of a higher minimum wage in order to embrace the Card-Krueger exception.

    But as the Employment Policies Institute (EPI) has made clear, the Card-Krueger analysis was based on flawed labor market assumptions and bad data. Most striking, EPI reported: “The New Jersey fast food study has been re-estimated using payroll records rather than the badly flawed telephone surveys used in the original study. The results, compiled by independent economists, are not surprising: There was significant job loss stemming from New Jersey’s decision to increase the state’s minimum wage in 1992.”

    But it’s not just the minimum wage that Mr. Krueger gets wrong…

    So Obama’s choice to lead the financial recovery is… drum roll please… a huge pro-union academic whose has been demonstrably wrong in his economic analysis. He is, in essence, an economic Freddie Krueger, slashing blindly through any hope of adult, reasonable economic hope.

    Why am I not surprised by this…

  291. R, @ 361 said, “Wrong again. First no one can really sit in judgment of another man’s faith.”

    No. Not “wrong.” what you said demonstrates that what I said is completely accurate! We are in agreement. Perhaps a first. 😆

    And it’s not a matter of being a pussy for Obama. It’s that he’s a retard. He picked a fight under an offensively transparent pretext. Out of touch. This fits into the category of “what was he thinking?” The bumbling is profound. Maybe he should ride around in a tank like Dukakis or something if he wants to show he’s tough. 🙄

    That was dumb as shit.

  292. Incidentally R, I walked away from my computer and paused to laugh about your comment that, “[you] get concerned when [you] think they might force feed religious dogma down [your] daughter’s throat in the school system.” I was thinking of the forced feeding my children got in 2008 with the praise and Hitler Youth-like indoctrination of your god, Obama. 😆 Funny I don’t remember that bothering you so much. . .

    (but in fairness, you did express a repulsion to the shit my little guys took on a racial and political level knowing at least that was out of bounds)

  293. Gorilla and Tigre,

    All of us have to admit how truly screwed up this country is and how politicians will not be able to fix it. I provide my evidence for the court:

    When a man’s performance has been as awful as Obama’s has – and it has been an absolute abortion from the git go – and still 45% of the country will be pulling the lever for him, I think I’m now to the point of admitting the country is not fixable unless we put the trash to the curb. And the trash ain’t Obama, but the morons who are either so stupid they don’t recognize abject failure, or so venal they cast their vote for give me, give me, Save me Obama! Save me!

    After review, I think we are witnessing the final result of the 60’s generation. Their kids are even more screwed up, and the grand kids? Hopeless.

    When I walk down the street of a conservative town like mine, and go out with my wife to breakfast, and see the societal norm now tats and body piercings and sexting, I am forced to reevaluate that maybe the train went off the tracks about 15-20 years ago an we are completely debased. And that correlates to about the same time Americans yawned at a serial philanderer getting blown in the Oval Office of all places.

    I knew America’s days were numbered back then unless it fundamentally changed – it didn’t, and it has only gotten worse. I’m not sure short of all out anarchy how much more degraded we can get.

    It’s getting bad. I don’t mean to sound fatalistic and defeated as I manage my own little world adequately, and I know you guys aren’t believers, but you both do seek the truth, are intelligent, and have a real dose of common sense.

    I’m telling you, short of divine intervention, our days are numbered, as is the rest of the world.

    Chaos is going to ensue…

  294. After review, I think we are witnessing the final result of the 60′s generation. Their kids are even more screwed up, and the grand kids? Hopeless.” – Tex

    I disagree in that I think once the Baby Boomers die off, things will actually improve significantly. The nation is becoming more Conservative, both politically and socially. Just look at the constant increase in the polls of folks who are pro-life and/or view abortion as morally wrong. Gen Xer’s have been severely screwed by boomers, and I think they are more inclined to lead the way.

    There’s hope, and besides, who doesn’t like a tramp stamp?

  295. Ah bullshit Prime Time – you’re a bigger liar and hypocrite in virtually every post, as everything in that book is the absolute truth. What a duplicitous, ignorant bum fuck you are….

    You apparently didn’t have any problem with any of this indoctrination dickhead. Where were you handy hack when this bullshit was going on?

    Rule #1 – anything CAIR is outraged over is a good thing.

  296. “I was thinking of the forced feeding my children got in 2008 with the praise and Hitler Youth-like indoctrination of your god, Obama. 😆 Funny I don’t remember that bothering you so much. . .”

    No shit.

    The day after Obama was elected my oldest was assigned to write an essay on all of the great things President Barack Obama was going to do for the country.

    Had this been for something like an English class, my wife and I would have had no problem.

    It was for a math class.

    The school was called and the essay was not written by our child.

  297. You obviously don’t have the sense to have a sense of shame Prime Time. Do you have any idea how absolutely, positively stupid and crazy you read?

    Can you draw? Why don’t you create a coloring book replete with hidden Simpson cartoon subliminal messages, space aliens, Darth Cheney placing explosives in stairwells of Building 7, and Orthodox Jews flying the jets remotely on autopilot? Conclude it with President Bush sitting with Netanyahu on Air Force 1 and laughing uncontrollably as the buildings tumble.

    You think you’re one of the guys Bozo? You’re the donkey’s ass on the wall we throw darts at while sitting around drinking beer at Rutherford’s bar and grill.

    There’s not much paper left on the ass.

  298. You don’t recognize the truth GI, even from your very own demigods…

    Former Reagan adminstration official Dr. Paul Craig Roberts recently wrote an essay titled, “9/11 After A Decade: Have We Learned Anything?” In this paper, he reminds us that the 9/11 Commission’s own chairmen, Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, said it was “set up to fail.” Senior counsel John Farmer, Jr., wrote that the US government made “a decision not to tell the truth about what happened,” and that the NORAD tapes “told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public.” Kean also said, “We to this day don’t know why NORAD told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth.”

    Most questions from the 9/11 families weren’t answered. Important and expert witnesses weren’t called. Roberts called the commission a “controlled political operation composed of politicians instead of experts, which only heard from supporters of the government’s account. It was not an investigation of events and evidence.”

    Senator Max Cleland resigned, retaining integrity by not participating in a “compromised investigation.”

  299. I purchased us a new one because the old one was so worn out. But I get to pin the first tail on Prime Time’s picture since I bought it. I thought the hat apropos.

    Rutherford, I’ll take cheeseburger, a dinner salad and an ice tea when you get the time. And do you have any thumb tacks handy?

  300. You obviously don’t have the sense to have a sense of shame Prime Time

    Oh, I have a sense of shame. I am very ashamed of what this once great nation now represents. I am ashamed of our leaders that sold us out and continue to do so. I am ashamed of those claiming to be Christians that misrepresent Him and fail to live their according to His words. I am ashamed of our national arrogance and ignorance. I am ashamed of the world we’re presenting to our youth.

    We’ve squandered all our many blessings and there will be hell to pay.

    I look forward to His judgment and setting things aright.

  301. Do you have the sense of shame Prime Time when forgo your bills, don’t pay your taxes, tell egregious lies, or act a traitor to your country?

    No, I didn’t think so Tare….

    Phony & Pharisee…

  302. Whose voting for this guy again?

    (Infowars/Alex Jones) — Speaking about his contention that the CIA had orchestrated a “coup” in America against the government, Congressman Ron Paul told the Alex Jones Show that the Agency was also behind the choosing of dictators around the world.

    “For the CIA to really be running the show….the CIA is involved in war, they’re involved in military activity, they pick targets from Langley in Virginia, they can shoot missiles to any spot in the world, generally killing a lot of people they shouldn’t be killing and missing the one’s they’re trying to target,” said Paul, adding that such activity was even outside the realm of Obama’s unconstitutionality in terms of the Libya bombardment.

    “Now we have the DoD person Petraeus going over to the CIA and then the CIA head going over to the military,” said Paul, adding, “I know the CIA’s been involved in so many elections around the world, they pick and choose dictators….I don’t think there’s any doubt they’re very much involved in these revolutions going on in the Mediterranean, we’re just trying to pick dictators,” said Paul, adding that the CIA’s secrecy was “out of control”.

    Paul’s original comments regarding the CIA “coup” were made during a Campaign for Liberty Regional Conference in Atlanta, GA, in January 2010.

    “There’s been a coup, have you heard? It’s the CIA coup,” stated Paul. “The CIA runs everything, they run the military. They’re the ones who are over there lobbing missiles and bombs on countries. … And of course the CIA is every bit as secretive as the Federal Reserve. … And yet think of the harm they have done since they were established [after] World War II. They are a government unto themselves. They’re in businesses, in drug businesses, they take out dictators … We need to take out the CIA,” he added.

  303. Tell me, where does bad optics end and pure stupidity begin?

    Pure stupidity begins at expecting Solis to ask an American car company where all of its models are assembled before she uses one of them.

    If that’s the best you’ve got, you haven’t progressed past Kindergarten. How ’bout we stop silly season?

  304. “Truth? Truth? Where, pray tell, is the truth?”

    Here…

    “the CIA is involved in war, they’re involved in military activity, they pick targets from Langley in Virginia”

    …and here…

    “Now we have the DoD person Petraeus going over to the CIA and then the CIA head going over to the military” (I assume I don’t need a link for this?)

    …and here…

    ““I know the CIA’s been involved in so many elections around the world, they pick and choose dictators”

    …and here.

    “They’re in businesses, in drug businesses”

    Is that enough truth for you?

  305. “Pure stupidity begins at expecting Solis to ask an American car company where all of its models are assembled before she uses one of them. ”

    If she held ANY position other that the Labor Secretary of the United States of America, and if her boss was not calling for a return to “Made In America” you might have a point.

  306. Poolman and Rutherford, the collective Mr. Magoos, nay Helen Kellers, of “optics” and “global vision.”

    That bus tour and Solis repeat? Masterful!

    Those were hybrids, weren’t they?

  307. “Pure stupidresponsibility begins at expecting [US Labor Sec.] Solis to ask an American car company where all one of its models are assembled before she uses spends taxpayer money one of them on it. ”

    That looks much better.

  308. Petreaus going to CIA is more about politically isolating a potential opponent than it is about the DoD controlling the CIA.

    Likewise, Paneta going to DoD is more about instituting major budget cuts than CIA controlling the DoD.

    This is the problem with this line of thinking, it takes something and twists it with the intent of forcing one to prove a negative. The same can be said the Arab uprisings in the Middle East- prove the CIA isn’t involved- well, they’re not. They were caught by surprise just as much as everyone else. And with Karzai, prove he’s not an informant, and even if he was, does that mean the CIA was involved in his suspected heroin dealings? No, it just means that the CIA was probably interested in what he might have to say about his brother, go figure.

    And I noticed you weren’t so concerned about the CIA’s CT ops when they took out top AQ targets. There is a thing called Title 10 and Title 50. Look ‘em up and educate yourself.

    As for Pinochet, yay, we have a winner from…40? 50? Years ago? Cold war… Soviet Union… I’ve read this story before somewhere…

    This guy is a crack pot, which is why I’m not surprised Jackass is all in for him, but come on Huck, I’d expect a lot more from you. What’s his foreign policy? Oh that’s right, he doesn’t have one. His idea is to stick his head up his ass and pray good things happen. He’s got a couple good ideas, like audit the Fed, but that’s about it.

  309. “Petreaus going to CIA is more about politically isolating a potential opponent than it is about the DoD controlling the CIA.”

    Damn skippy.

  310. That’s not really the point, PM….at all.

    I know, I know. The point is to appear all Americanish on the outside, while we rot at the core.

    Image and example. I get it. Really. Don’t worry, I got my flag lapel pins and stickers displayed front and center. 😉

  311. “I know, I know. The point is to appear all Americanish on the outside, while we rot at the core. ”

    Wrong again.

    Whether or not “Made in America” is bullshit is not the point. The point is that those pushing it, and especially those campaigning on it, should be the first people making sure they are doing it, themselves.

    And in the last month we have now found 2 examples of the contrary.

    That’s the point.

  312. “And I noticed you weren’t so concerned about the CIA’s CT ops when they took out top AQ targets. There is a thing called Title 10 and Title 50. Look ‘em up and educate yourself.”

    This isn’t about me or what I think.

    You asked for proof of what Ron Paul said. I showed you proof. And you did not refute a single fact. All you were able to do was qualify them.

    I didn’t say I agreed with him on every point, nor did I say any of those actions were wrong. But that doesn’t mean he isn’t telling the truth, and you obviously cannot prove otherwise.

  313. I understand the point, Huck. You think they were poor researchers, I think someone’s planning failure. This is not new political game strategy. Mistakes like this rarely happen, even in low budget PR.

  314. Waiting for the Legion to put out the real news. Meanwhile…

    “It is incomprehensible to me that while creditworthy small businesses in Vermont and throughout the country could not receive affordable loans, the Federal Reserve was providing tens of billions of dollars in credit to a bank that is substantially owned by the Central Bank of Libya,” Sanders said.
    In a letter to Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and others, Sanders asked why the central bank made at least 46 emergency, low-interest loans to the Arab Banking Corp., in which the Central Bank of Libya owns a 59 percent stake. In the same letter, Sanders asked Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner why the Treasury Department on March 4 let the Libya-controlled bank skirt the economic sanctions against Libya. The senator also questioned why the Bahrain-based Arab Banking Corp. is even allowed to operate branches inside United States.
    “Why would the U.S. government allow a bank that is predominantly owned by the Central Bank of Libya – an institution on which the U.S. has imposed strict economic sanctions –to operate two banking branches within our own borders?” Sanders asked. The Fed transactions were made public earlier this year as a result of a Sanders provision in the Wall Street reform law that forced the U.S. central bank to reveal which financial institutions it bailed out during the financial crisis from 2007 to 2010.
    In another dubious twist, the Fed loans, at interest rates as low as 0.25 percent, relied on U.S. Treasury securities as collateral. In other words, at the same time that the Arab Banking Corp. was borrowing money at almost zero interest from one arm of the government, the Fed, it was lending money at a higher interest rate to another arm of the U.S. government, the Treasury Department.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/09/01/federal-reserve-continued-to-fund-gaddafi-banks-after-sanctions/

  315. I think that Prime Time feels this country deserves to be in decline because he thinks the gains ill gotten and possibly because he didn’t get his fair share of the ill gotten gains. Then he’ll throw out some lukewarm message about his treasures and manna being stored in heaven, even if his comments always narrated with an air of bitterness. Kind of humorous.

    That schmuck he quotes from that jackboot site (V.T.) reads like he is cut from the same cloth. Tuffy Tiger over at V.T. has got his staff stacked with Berkeley rejects and organic gardeners as subejct matter ‘experts.’

    If you frame the conversation that way, you can better understand Poolman’s appreciation of earthquakes damaging Washington monuments, looney conspiracy theories and jihadists flying planes into buildings by neocon Jews.

    Classic schadenfreude – probably masturbated all day in front of the TV during 9/11.

  316. You asked for proof of what Ron Paul said. I showed you proof. And you did not refute a single fact. All you were able to do was qualify them.” – Huck

    No. I’m not going to prove a negative. Does Petreaus going to CIA mean that the DoD now controls CIA? Does Paneta going to DoD mean that the CIA controls DoD? Of course not, but the convenience of their previous positions makes it easy to jump to illogical conclusions, of which you expect me to prove a negative. Likewise with the Arab uprisings.

    So I’ll conceed two points, Pinochet and the intelligence community being involved in the targeting process. Imagine that, targeting based on intelligence- a novel idea for you state department types I’m sure but I assure you, no grand conspiracy.

    Tell you what, why don’t you smart fellows prove that Petreaus is there to assert DoD control over the CIA and the Paneta is also there to assert CIA’s control of the DoD. While you are at it, prove that the CIA is involved in the Arab uprisings in the least, or in accordance with Paul’s stupid fucking comment, that they are picking the leaders of the states.

    As you search, I’m sure you’ll find them somewhere in the humid, dark regions of Piss Pot’s fourth point of contact…

  317. Again, fucking coincidence used as fact. They gave money to Europe too, do we control now as well? How about the money we’ve given China? South America? Japan? According to your logic, we own the fucking world. Haleh-fucking-lulah, mission accomplished.

    JACK ASS

  318. I’m telling you, short of divine intervention, our days are numbered, as is the rest of the world.

    Chaos is going to ensue…

    And this from a believer. Tex am I wrong or would chaos be God’s way of putting things right? Wouldn’t THAT be the divine intervention you speak of?

  319. It was for a math class.

    ROTFLMAO Huck you shouldn’t have called the school. You should have put your kid in another school where kids aren’t asked to write essays in math class. 😆 That’s totally bass ackward whether it had to do with Obama or not.

  320. Tex how you can defend a 9/11 coloring book replete with smoking buildings and evil Muslims aimed at six year-olds is f*cking beyond me.

    I have no problem teaching 9/11 to Jr high and above but sorry it’s too much to be throwing at elementary school kids. Besides, it’s insulting to trivialize 9/11 into a coloring book. I know you like to operate on the “if Poolman hates it I must like it” premise, but please. 😐

  321. And this from a believer. Tex am I wrong or would chaos be God’s way of putting things right? Wouldn’t THAT be the divine intervention you speak of?

    Mr. Rutherford, (hphhhh….clears throat).

    Contrary to popular belief amongst the illiterate and ignorant secular masses, ‘real’ Christians may look up and hope Christ’s return draws nigh (Maranatha), but I can assure as a believer, getting there is going to be very ugly – like ugly beyond belief.

    I have neither the power nor the authority to invoke God’s Wrath (wish I did 🙂 because Poolman would be in a whale’s belly somewhere off the south coast of Southern Siberia), nor are my wishes or opinions formulated by trying to “usher in the rapture.” That may sell well in nihilist, humanist and pantheist circles to discount or discard – real Christians know we are as limited as you in controlling destiny.

    I was just making an observation, not of the world, but of the American way, which it is my observation society is quickly falling apart. To me, it’s as clear as sunlight – but someone I respect like Gorilla disagrees. Let us hope he is right and I am wrong.

    I was just taken back a little at what has happened to the world since I left it for my own little bubble called Rutherford Lawson. Mind you, this is not Berkeley where I live. But it looked like it eating breakfast.

  322. According to your logic, we own the fucking world.

    Don’t we? 🙂

    OK G, serious question. We talk about having no boots on the ground in Libya but isn’t it true we’ve got CIA special ops on the ground there helping the rebels?

    I’m not going to sit here and say covert missions are not necessary but by the same token, am I to believe you when you say the CIA isn’t up to its ears in some pretty funky stuff, albeit for patriotic ends?

  323. Tex, my question to you didn’t involve a full-blown rapture. I was just talking about God doing some short-term sh*t to put us on the straight and narrow.

    Bachmann has suggested (in jest?) that He is visiting us with earthquakes and hurricanes to wake us up. 😉

  324. Yes earthquakes, floods, the whole bit. All foretold. All normal in the fallen world we live in.

    See, God says man chose evil and therefore we are on an evil path. Basically since Adam, but moreso after Cain. He was the first venture capitalist. But he’s marked, and, anyway, long story…

    The Reader’s Digest version is that the perfect world – Paradise – is beyond man’s vision and reach. Heavenly beings (now spiritual terrorists) really messed our orbit and there is no safe ground to stand on. They are continually messing with our orbits. Just wait till they show back up in the flesh, or whatever their physical makeup is.

    One day it will all be reset and they will have no pull on our destiny.

    There is really only one immovable spot to land. Some of us anchor on solid rock. The genuine capstone. That way no matter what rattles your world, your entire ass is covered. 😉

  325. I was just talking about God doing some short-term sh*t to put us on the straight and narrow.

    Can’t speak for Him either. 🙂 Bachmann has her faults – that wasn’t one of them, as it was obviously said in jest.

    No, I don’t believe that is necessarily the way it works in the age of grace, though I can’t be sure. But I do believe God has removed the protective hedge from America. That is, after all, what we have been asking for since 1948, isn’t it?

    Get God out of every semblance of life and privatize him within the walls of the church before you attempt to eliminate Him? Seems He, being the perfect gentleman, is complying with our wishes and it shows.

  326. I don’t hate to say we told you so. Just yesterday we stated to readers once again, those unhappy with the Libyans overthrowing an ICC indicted war criminal regime, that we would no longer have to defend our positions via commentary using our words as bullets.
    The Libyan people are going to be able to do that with the archival intelligence documents now in their hands. But I must say I had expected to wait a bit longer.
    The BBC got a scoop on Al Jazeera by scooping the first Intel inner sanctum story.
    Their video tour of Gaddafi’s Homeland Security bunker allowed us to study some key freeze frames to discover the Israelis were running his communications intercept operations…equipment and personnel.

    Smokin’ gun, baby.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/09/01/veterans-today-was-right-again/

  327. Tex how you can defend a 9/11 coloring book replete with smoking buildings and evil Muslims aimed at six year-olds is f*cking beyond me.

    I said there was nothing in that wasn’t true. And it is certainly not as insidious as that mmm mmm mmm Magic Negro song. I doubt I would buy one for my grand children, but I am glad we are now fighting CAIR with fire. 👿 Might buy one for me. 🙂

  328. Poolman and the VT Jew haters are quoting from Al Jazerra. That’s rich. 😆

    Who is David Welch. An “assistant” diplomat? What does he do? Empty the trash?

  329. “I’m telling you, short of divine intervention, our days are numbered, as is the rest of the world.”

    You know, I agree with Gorilla (@ 381). I think pendulum will swing back.

    Something else. Obama has so consumed the resources needed to to fulfill the dreams of the Rutherfords of the world (e.g. centralized planning by an all-powerful governmental juggernaut) I believe he has ensured the opposite.

    Because of Obama, government must shrink. Americans see how inept government is in its attempts at social engineering. The divisiveness of the race card has been played out to such a degree that even for most that accepted it out of hand a few short years ago. The proper role of the federal government is being questioned on a level that it hasn’t since the civil war. People are seeing, and more importantly feeling that “spreading the wealth” was not what the founding fathers (most being the wealthiest in the colonies) ever intended and the expectation that it’s the government creates jobs just ain’t so.

    I think we may be on the cusp of a true awakening. This country has been so royally fucked by the left in the course af a few short years, it might be the best thing for us in the long haul.

    And for the record, tramp stamps, tattoos and piercings are disgusting now. Imagine what kind of an epiphany will occur when the fat, tattooed old hags with holes all over their bodies walk the beach 20 years from now. It’ll be enough to make everyone consider the Amish lifestyle.

    But I could be wrong. 😆

  330. Two things we agree on, Tig.

    We are on the cusp of a true awakening.

    Tats and piercings. I prefer unabashed people and nature.

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