The Need for a New Muslim Narrative

Several weeks ago a representative from Unity Productions Foundation sent me a video and asked me to feature it on this blog. After viewing it, I told her I would indeed write about the video but there was a missing ingredient that had to be addressed.

The video juxtaposes images of every day Americans who happen to be Muslims with a soundtrack of Islamaphobic hate speech. To anyone with an ounce of empathy, the video is extremely powerful.

There is only one problem. The empathetic folks who would find the video powerful are not the folks who need convincing. Islamaphobia is not the byproduct of some psychosis. It is the byproduct of seeing a small but conspicuous minority of one particular religion use violence as a “normal” reaction to achieving political ends and addressing grievances. The folks featured in the UPF video are not the folks inspiring fear of Muslims.

So what is missing from the video? What is missing from the video is the condemnation of religious violence by Muslims from Muslims. You see, after years on this blog defending Islam, the one thing I can no longer defend is the sound of crickets from the lawful Muslim community every time a follower of Islam blows himself up and kills innocents.  If UPF wants to really make a difference they need to publish videos of Muslims denouncing the violent aspects of Sharia law as well as the reprehensible behavior of radical Muslims worldwide.

Very simply and with all due respect to Unity Productions Foundation, fair-minded people know that the grocer, cab driver, research scientist, teacher and soccer coach might be Muslims and they live and love and cry and bleed just like any non-Muslim. What remains to be seen is will they work toward a more peaceful religion and publicly condemn their brothers and sisters who have brought shame upon their religion? That is the new Muslim narrative that we must see if minds and hearts are going to change.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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306 thoughts on “The Need for a New Muslim Narrative

  1. Tastefully done my friend. A Rutherford post I can’t even criticize? Pigs fly!!!!

    I haven’t had time to watch the video, but I will.

    I think it worth remembering, on the day of 9/11 and some days thereafter, to the best of my knowledge, not one Muslim was killed in American in retaliation for the 3,000 deaths.

    I believe a Sikh was misidentified as Muslim and beaten. That was all I remember being reported. I think that says something very positive about our country.

  2. It is a good thing we named and blamed them right away. Don’t even have to think about it. Got that question out of the mix immediately. Surprise attacked, but hell we recognized their MO just as soon as it happened. We even had their photos. Guilty! It is sooooo great to know that you know that you know that you know. Not that any court has or could prove it. Who needs the courts, anyway?

    Tex, the incident you recall happened in my neck of the woods. From Wikipedia:

    Balbir Singh Sodhi (1949–September 15, 2001) was a Mesa, Arizona, gas station owner who was murdered in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 attacks. He made headlines because he was the first of several cases across the United States that were reported to the police as acts of retaliation for the terrorist attacks. According to family members, Singh Sodhi had been distraught because of the terrorist attacks.
    Born in Punjab, India, he was a member of the Sikh religion. He moved to Los Angeles in 1989, where he worked as a taxi driver. He later relocated to San Francisco, where he continued to work in that capacity. He saved enough money to buy a gas station in Phoenix and moved there.
    On September 15, 2001, Frank Roque shot him five times, killing him instantly. Roque, who apparently wanted revenge for September 11, confused him for a person of Arab ethnicity because of the clothes he wore, his turban, and his beard. Within 25 minutes of his death, the Phoenix police reported four further attacks on people who either were Middle Easterners or who dressed with clothes thought to be worn by Middle Easterners.
    On August 4, 2002, less than a year after Balbir’s death, his younger brother Sukhpal was shot to death while driving his taxicab in San Francisco, apparently killed by a stray bullet from a nearby gang fight. In response to this second tragedy, Balbir’s son, Sukhwinder said, “What are you going to do with anger? We like peace and we are a peaceful people.”[1]
    On September 30, 2003, Frank Roque, age 44, was convicted of first-degree murder in the Singh case. On October 10, dismissing defense claims of diminished mental responsibility, jurors at Maricopa County Superior Court sentenced him to face the death penalty. In August 2006, Arizona Supreme Court overturned Roque’s death sentence in return for a sentence of life in prison.[2]

  3. I’ll go O.T. first.

    Good thing all you blacks voted for Hope & Change “R”. 😉 Once again, poetic justice abounds. I hope this has taught a few of the brighter liberals a lesson in economics. You don’t bully business, tax increases are not the answer large or small, and government is seldom the solution.

    Somehow, I think it will take another round or two for many of you to figure out what most here already knew.

    Obamageddon Coming to a City Near You?

    The election of the first African-American president was widely hailed as a giant step forward for American racial politics. The future, however, may remember this administration as a giant step back for Black America during a period of deepening alienation, anger and despair in America’s inner cities.

    Not since the 1960s, when scores of American cities were shaken by one race riot after another, have African-Americans faced such deadly conditions: high expectations and hopes running up against a reality of vanishing jobs, shrinking government budgets and a fractured and fragmented leadership. Barring an unlikely change in economic fortunes we could soon face a new period of explosive anger and even violence; alternatively, the urban poor could fall prey to a new kind of passive despair and anomie as hope dies on one inner city street after another.

    Either way, the mainstream press’s slowly fading intoxication with the Obama administration has led it to miss the dimensions of the new urban crisis now stalking the United States. The liberal Reagan, they swooned back in the good old days. No — the new FDR! No, wait! The new Lincoln!

    But as the rosy glow surrounding the administration and all its works slowly dies away, many Americans will be taken aback at the urban crisis that quietly and unostentatiously took shape while the fatuously exhilarated press choirs sang about the hope and the change that was coming our way.

    http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2011/07/12/obamageddon-coming-to-a-city-near-you/

  4. And so it is, Proshares Ultra Silver up 12% in 2 hours.

    It’s really not that hard to play the market in a command economy.

    The drug dealer teases printing, the market sucks off the drug dealer and gold is at a new all time high.

  5. There are a few (too few) out there, Rutherford.

    http://revjimsutter.blogspot.com/2006/10/muslims-speak-out-against-terrorism.html

    http://facts-not-fear.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2011-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&updated-max=2012-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&max-results=11

    And let’s not ignore this beat-down of a dumb-ass.

    I’d have looked for more examples but I made my point. There are Muslims who speak out against this shit. The problem is, as I said above, there aren’t enough of them. Another problem is that the few there are are ignored by other Muslims and by the Western media, because they don’t fit the world’s image of what a Muslim should be…..a raging, violent lunatic.

  6. All the talk about how we shouldn’t profile Muslims sounds just wonderful – as they say, let’s all sit by the campfire and sing Kumbaya. But it is irrelevant, completely irrelevant. Of Course most Muslims want peace and are nice guys. So does everybody, but they don’t matter and here’s why:

    (apologize for length)

    This is one of the best explanation of the Muslim  terrorist situation I have ever read. His references to past history are  accurate and clear. Not long, easy to  understand, and well worth the read. The author of this email is said to be Dr. Emanuel Tanay,  a well known and well respected psychiatrist.

    A man, whose  family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When  asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can  guide our attitude toward fanaticism. ‘Very few people were true  Nazis,’ he said, ‘but many enjoyed the return of German pride,  and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought  the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let  it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had  lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost  everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my  factories.’

    We are told again and again by ‘experts’ and ‘talking heads’ that Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast  majority of Muslimsjust want to live in peace.  Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless  fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectre of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of  Islam.

    The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in  history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage  any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who  systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa  and are gradually taking over the  entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honor-kill.  It is thefanatics who take over mosque  after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape  victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics  who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.

    The hard quantifiable  fact is that the peaceful majority, the ‘silent majority,’ is cowed and extraneous. Communist Russia  was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the  Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million  people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.

    China’s huge  population was peaceful as well, but Chinese  Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million  people.

    The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not  a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and  slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an  orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians;  most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet.

    And, who can forget  Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were ‘peace  loving’?

    History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for  all our powers of reason we often miss the most basic and  uncomplicated of points: Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant  by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if  they don’t speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they  will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end  of their world will have begun. Peace-loving  Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians,  Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died  because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too  late.

    As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the  only group that counts; the fanatics who threaten our way  of life.

    Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just  deletes this email without sending it on, is contributing to  the passiveness that allows the problems to  expand. So, extend yourself a bit and send this on and on and on!  Let us hope that  thousands, worldwide, read this and think about it, and send it on – before it’s  too late.

    …….Emanuel Tanay,  M.D.

  7. Very good letter as example Pfesser. I’ve been called a Muslim bigot here for my harsh stances (most of those idiots making those charges are no longer here), but I’m with your Dr. Tanay – peace loving Muslims are irrelevant when the fanatics run the show.

    If only 5% of the Muslim world is fanatical and rabid, that still means there are 75,000,000 blood thirsty jihadists loving death more than life. That’s a lot of potential travesty.

    People should remember Hitler only received about a third of the popular vote. It doesn’t take a majority to rule…

  8. I finally watched the video – sheer propaganda, of course. Very pleasant, very smiley. Hoorah.

    I second what Rutherford has said. Finally, we agree on something of importance. It must be the hotel that has given my pal an epiphany. Or maybe it is just reality of how sucky hotels are.

    Lawd knows I’ve spent too many nights in dives while on business.

  9. To reinforce Rutherford’s conclusions, I give you this…below George Bush’s popularity by the way. There is no pleasing irrationality.

    Obama Popularity Falls in Arab World

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0711/Obama_popularity_falls_in_Arab_world.html

    To which I reply BFD.

    Mr. Rutherford, you asked for the next Apollo Moon Mission Program. Why don’t we all make a concerted collective push for a national energy policy and be done with these creeps?

    We have the means. Do we have the will?

  10. Pfesser,

    I don’t see many Muslims among the examples given in your post at 9. You can pin “radical” on small factions of every ideological/religious group. Muslims just happen to be the terrorists de jour. If you surveyed them, they would likely point to “Christian” crusaders like the group formerly known as Blackwater, or the Zionist Jews, like the current regime in Israel that have murdered and oppressed many of them.

    Given the examples cited, the threatening “groups” were not perceived as such, luring others into passivity. I think the really scary ones today are the dominionists. Most folks think they are just regular folks, even “Christian”, wanting only peace with others. The reality is they want control of everything for “the church”. Of course that “church” is their interpretation of the body of believers of Christ. Never mind that they are getting their marching orders from alternate sources. And don’t be concerned that they hold much of the world’s wealth, power, and influence, unlike most Muslims today.

    If we are to further the logic expressed in that post, we should watch out for ANY group that organizes and has any political or ideological influence, especially if they show signs of being “peaceful”. Humans, as a whole, have the ability to become oppressive and murderous. And they don’t come branded with a warning label. Why? Lawyers must be falling behind on their “job”. Who do we sue?

  11. Poolman –

    You never cease to surprise me. You know about the Dominionists? Leah Burton, an acquaintance of mine is getting ready to publish probably THE definitive book on Dominionism. I didn’t think one person in five hundred even knew of their existence! I’m in the thick of the fight to deny them their goal of their own self-styled theocracy – emphasis on self-styled.

  12. Poolman’s world view is intolerable. He’s was literally typing his shit out at the same time the radical Muslims were blowing up women and children in India. Which, of course, isn’t that much of a coincidence considering women and children are slaughtered daily in the name of Islam.

  13. Crazy, isn’t Rabbit? I just provided a daily list of deaths from the religion of pieces known as Islam. And the deaths are daily around the world.

    I wonder who is the head of these Dominionists? Is there one figurehead? I need an example of these crusaders and zealots. Sounds like something out of Star Trek.

  14. Dick Cheney! 😈 That Halliburton, black helicopter, Zionist, Black Water, 9/11 Conspirator Crusader!

    I knew that religious, fundamentalist Zionist was still up to no good!

  15. Tex, this movement scares me too:

    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2303168770

    Can you imagine how the reemergence of the Holy Roman Empire will transform Germany and the Euro? We can not let this happen.

    If this happens, will the Dominionists join the The Schmalkaldic League or the Catholics?

    And what about the Teutonic Knights, do they really secretly hold the Lance of Christ, the Spear of Destiny, the Lance of Longinus? Or did General Patton snatch it and hide it in North Africa where, ultimately, it fell into the vaults of Goldman Sachs?

  16. “If only 5% of the Muslim world is fanatical and rabid, that still means there are 75,000,000 blood thirsty jihadists loving death more than life. That’s a lot of potential travesty.”

    You don’t have anything to base that number upon.

    It could be 5%. It could be .5%. It could be .0%5. You don’t have any idea.

  17. Well Huck. It could be 50% too, couldn’t it? And I suspect 50% is a lot closer than your .05%.

    I know this. I’ve got a laundry list of over 15,000 crimes against humanity perpetrated by the one religion you genuflect to after 9/11. I’ve got Al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood. I’ve got the Arab Spring turning back toward good old Jew hatred and once again teaming up and threatening to push Israel into the sea. Line up for ass kickings ragheads. And I’ve got virtually every predominantly Muslim nation on earth turning into a world of shit.

    Now you go on back to sucking Ban Ki-moon’s balls and taking your little trips in academia to the U.N. pretending you’re worldly and important, and we’ll see if the adults can sort things out and perhaps save your pile higher and deeper in sophistry. 😉

  18. The Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, the burning of witches and heretics, Indian wars… probably just fantasy. Yeah, I’m sure it’s just all made up. I wonder why we still even find it in any history books. Probably just a bunch of Muslims writing history. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

    Tex,

    many of your incidents listed in your “religion of peace” link aren’t necessarily Muslim-related crimes. Just because they happened in predominantly Muslim countries, and the perpetrator is often referred to as “Islamic, fanatic, jihadist, Arab, etc., doesn’t really prove anything. I’m certain they all identified themselves, probably in the police report, and we believe them because, well, they are such honest folks. I’m sure plenty are very religious, in one way or another. Some incidents included are obviously based on religious motives. At least as reported in that “non-biased” link. I find the Mujahadeen and al Qaeda references amusing. These are the guys we created.

    Based on that link, does that mean every “terror” crime or murder in America is “Christian” related because we are predominately a Christian nation with supposed “Christians” carrying out the deed?

    **GUFFAW**

    The 2008 Mumbai attacks were traced to Mossad. I wonder if these new ones will be? Not that your media sources would ever go there. Of course rabbit already knows that he knows that he knows. Afterall, that’s what the news said!

    I wonder if these “Muslims” will ever get smart enough to pretend to be Jewish or Christian. I guess they just aren’t quite that smart yet. It could be because of all the kudos and benefits they get by identifying themselves. 🙄

  19. What right does Obama have asking for money? What right?

    There is a general rule accepted by almost everybody, even liberals, that the more the government takes from people, the more the government spends.

    Why feed the beast?

    Fucking cut. And cut massive or were screwed. It’s that simple. Cut government or were done. I seriously don’t get the debate. Whats there to argue about?

    Don’t take more money and pay it to a president who already has spent so, so, so much of my son’s money on complete fucking drivel.

    As for his constant campaigning…..I don’t get it. Goldman Sachs will be there for him. Only Rutherford doesn’t see that sick symbiotic hybrid between Obama and Goldman Sachs.

  20. DR opined:
    “Lol…I can’t sleep due those damn Dominionists. They are lurking everywhere and very close to taking over.”

    Don’t worry – I’ll save you. No need to thank me. It’s my pleasure.

  21. Blacks, Muslims, Hispanics, White Trash and other minorities have at least one thing in common. We are all measured by the least of us. The most erudite black man is burdened by the image of the gangsta. Similarly no matter how small the radical contingent of Islam, they’re judged by that small contingent. Human nature. A real shame.

  22. Well he did give it a whole two hours. Thanks big guy.

    Maybe we need to call Supernanny.

    So I really don’t get all the calls for denouncing things. Everone wants to hear denouncements. If you’re not out there denouncing things that other people do then you’re complicit. If I’m asked about something that somebody thinks I have an answer for and I do – I answer them. It’s not as though they listen to the answer given.

    Tex, I agree with you now about the Casey A verdict. Jury blew it.

  23. I’m a 3 minute bike ride from the town pub. After the little man is tucked a way and my wife is working (from at home), I find myself peddling up there. I haven’t shaved in a month, wobble on a bike that has lights and a basket and mumble about the Fed.

    Please don’t tell me I’m “that” guy now. Every town has one.

  24. Based on that link, does that mean every “terror” crime or murder in America is “Christian” related because we are predominately a Christian nation with supposed “Christians” carrying out the deed?

    Hell yes, because once you sign up for the Vast Christofacist Conspiracy, you don’t just get your Ephesians 6 whole armor of God, helmet of salvation, and sword of the spirit, you also get an exposive belt, satchel bombs, radio transmitter detonators, side arm in the calber of your choice, and either an automatic rifle, heavy machine gun, or for those blessed enough to be the righteous hand of God, a .50 caliber sniper rifle, and a bandolier of ammunition.

  25. Blacks, Muslims, Hispanics, White Trash and other minorities have at least one thing in common. We are all measured by the least of us. The most erudite black man is burdened by the image of the gangsta. Similarly no matter how small the radical contingent of Islam, they’re judged by that small contingent. Human nature. A real shame.

    Well, that calculus is all about the body count.

    Your Silence + 5% of your co-religionists being bloodthirsty murderous asshats + them maximizing their kill ratios = tarred with the same brush.

  26. Speaking of terrorists … if you put two and two together watching me in this hotel room today I wouldn’t blame you if you came up with 5.

    First, we’ve got four laptops all networked into a Netgear network switch and plugged into a power strip in our room. Then I’m down in the “business center” (room with one PC and printer) this afternoon watching Huck’s Pakistani woman yelling at the cleric in whatever language they speak in Pakistan. This woman comes into the business center and sees me watching this stuff and leaves immediately. All I could think of was “sh*t, if she reports me to the front desk and they go in my room and find those networked laptops, they’ll swear my wife and I are some terrorist cell.”

    I guess I’ve watched one too many episodes of 24. 🙂

  27. The 2008 Mumbai attacks were traced to Mossad. I wonder if these new ones will be? Not that your media sources would ever go there. Of course rabbit already knows that he knows that he knows. Afterall, that’s what the news said!

    I’ve heard of tinfoil hats, but I had never witnessed until tonight an entire 200yd roll wrapped so tightly around one’s head. A fricking radio antenna of useful idiot.

    Pssst….Poolman. All of those 15,000 incidents of blowing up while in traffic screaming Allahu Akbar (like those Dominionists)? The Mossad. And Christians. And Zionists. 😉

    I just saw little green aliens run through my backyard. Going to get my ray gun. BRB.

  28. I wish at least a traditional black man was in office. Anyone notice that Obama is a pussy?

    Rutherford, remember when we said Obama has never had one second of executive experience? And how that is not a good thing?

    It’s impossible to respect the guy….as a guy. He’s a giant gash.

  29. Folks, just want to point out that Rutherford didn’t say one thing about Obama’s TOTAL lie about social security checks.

    A 100% lie and sick lie to scare old people.

    Not one word by Rutherford.

  30. The Puddle never cease to amaze me with its persistent racism.

    As for Mumbai, no, Massad was not involved. That’s probably the dumbest thing I ever heard, at least today…

  31. At what point does this Administration stop talking down to us? The Tea Party, more than any other group, shows this as complete crap…

  32. “Pfessor, I guess I can pitch in and buy some silver bullets or garlic if you need it.”

    Don’t need it. To quote the first Jewish Supreme Court justice:

    ‘Publicity is justly commended as a remedy for social and industrial diseases. Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants; electric light the most efficient policeman.’
    Louis D. Brandeis

    My job is to expose these people. The sunlight will do the heavy lifting.

  33. The US has been in … intimate … contact with Islam for over a decade, yet we still get comments like “Dominionism is just like Sharia law – for white folks.”

    Just what is the line between “lazy, ignorant and loud” and stupid?

    How many ways is this bit of agitprop wrong?

    Islam is not a racial group.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12075931
    http://untuk-sesama-insan.blogspot.com/2009/02/list-of-famous-and-notable-caucasian.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Indonesia

    Neither are racists a racial group.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_X
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2007/220107mexicangangs.htm
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_issues_in_Japan

    Addressing Dominionism structural relationship, it isn’t integral to Christianity, where Sharia IS Islam.

    http://www.dawanet.com/nonmuslim/intro/
    http://uwacadweb.uwyo.edu/religionet/er/islam/IGLOSSRY.HTM#ltr.s
    http://www.islamic-sharia.org/general/deeming-shariah-islamic-law-as-incompetent-2.html

    Do note these are Islamic sources, not ‘Islamophobes’.

    Addressing Dominionism substance, it is in direct opposition and conflict with Christianity. PFesser didn’t even bother to read the Wikipedia entry he referenced,

    to wit : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominionism#Criticism

    So, the statement “Dominionism is just like Sharia law – for white folks.” is wrong, not only as a whole, but every element of it and every implication of it.

  34. I erred in attributing poolman’s comment to PFesser, he only agreed with it.

    Yeah, you got a witness.

  35. So this Christian Sharia Law and its Dominionists? Can any of you bigots men point me to their leaders? I know Puddle is a complete phony and racist so his answer will be meaningless, but it would help me get a frame of reference of some of their leaders. Like names?

    Do these Christian Sharia (CS) types

    1- Define “jihad” as “to war against non-Christians to establish the religion,” as is the duty of every Christian and Christian head of state (Caliph)?

    2- Can these CS hold office through seizure of power meaning through force?

    3- Are these CS exempt from being charged with serious crimes such as murder, adultery, robbery, theft, drinking and in some cases of rape?

    4- Do they demand a percentage of Zakat (charity money) must go towards jihad?

    5- Is it obligatory to obey the commands of the Caliph, even if he is unjust?

    6- Do these CS demand a caliph must be a Christian, a non-slave and a male?

    7- Do these CS demand public must remove the Caliph if he rejects Christianity?

    8- Will these CS demand a Christian who leaves Christianity must be killed immediately?

    9- Do these CS require a Christian will be forgiven for murder of: 1) an apostate 2) an adulterer 3) a highway robber? Is vigilante street justice and honor killing acceptable like under Muslim Sharia?

    10- Are these CS attempting to implement a rule that a Christian will not get the death penalty if he kills a non-Christian, but will get it for killing a Christian?

    11- Has CS Sharia never abolished slavery, sexual slavery and highly regulates it? Will a master not be punished for killing his slave?

    12- Does CS Sharia dictate death by stoning, beheading, amputation of limbs, flogging even for crimes of sin such as adultery?

    13- Will non-Christians be not equal to Christians under the law? Must they comply to Christian law if they are to remain safe? Are they are forbidden to marry Christian women, publicly display wine or pork, recite their scriptures or openly celebrate their religious holidays or funerals? Are they forbidden from building new mosques or synagogues or building them higher than churches? Can they enter a church without permission? Is a non-Christian no longer protected if he leads a Christian away from Christianity?

    14- Will it be a crime for a non-Christians to sell weapons to someone who will use them against Christians? Will non-Christians not be allowed to curse a Christian, say anything derogatory about God or Jesus or exposing the weak points of Christians? But Christians can curse non-Christians. Is this correct?

    15- Will a non-Christian not be able to inherit from a Christian?

    16- Will banks must be CS compliant and interest is not allowed?

    I assume this will be just a partial list of CS demands, making it equivalent to Muslim Sharia? I’ll be happy to provide a whole lot more equivalents, if need be.

    See, I’m having a hard time believing anybody could be this stupid, besides Puddle, to equate anything of Christianity to Sharia.

  36. Obama exposes another reason why it would be a damn good idea to privatize social security. The klutz didn’t mean to do this, but as usual, he further exposed the weaknesses of his arguments.

    Picking up on Rabbit’s good points from above…

    In trying to score political points against the GOP by warning that retirement checks were in jeopardy if the debt ceiling isn’t raised, President Obama exposed the fraud at the heart of Social Security. . . . Obama beat everyone, however, with his scaremongering claim that Social Security checks are at risk if he doesn’t get his way on the debt ceiling. “I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on Aug. 3 if we haven’t resolved this issue,” he told CBS News, “because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it.”

    Wait! What happened to Social Security’s “guarantee”? You know, the iron-clad assurance of Social Security benefits in exchange for paying into the program your whole working life? It’s something Democrats constantly talk about, particularly when attacking Republicans who propose privatizing the program.

    If Social Security were privatized, your check wouldn’t be at the whim of a President with a politicized agenda.

    http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/578202/201107131848/Giving-Lie-To-The-Lockbox.htm

  37. Here GI, edjumacate yerself:

    Thanks. I hadn’t read anything in a few days that left me dumber for having read it, but you did a good job of filling that gap.

    I can only hope that a quick spin through a few other sites and a cup of coffee will allow me to sufficiently recover enough I.Q. points that I can successfully perform my job today.

  38. Oh, I see Puddle. Billy Graham and Campus Crusade for Christ are now jihadists. 😆 😆 😆

    Yes, yes, I can see why you would compare this to radical Islam and Sharia.

    I concede your brilliance Helen.

  39. I think I’m a Dominionist, but I can’t be sure.

    The article Puddle linked to is so convoluted, jumbled and muddled, I’m having a difficult time making heads or tails of it. We go from Billy Graham in one page, to the homosexual cokehead Ted Haggard in the next. I guess if I am to be assigned company, I’ll take Billy Graham as mentor and leave Ted the Queer to the uber Dominionists.

    I did notice the website likes to use guest speakers from “The Church of Scientology” to rebuke the Dominionists and absolutely hate one of America’s most successful governor’s Rick Perry. Maybe he’s become the new Sarah Palin to the chosen elite and soothsayers from Fat Grannies.

    From Puddle lined with Scientology, who would have guessed? 😀

    Puddle, who is your most admired Christian in America of name we might recognize? Do you have a favorite, or are they all Dominionists?

  40. Can someone say FEC violation…

    I guess my buddy Gorilla hasn’t learned the established law of the land.

    Laws are for little people, all Christians (Dominionists), and anybody not calling themselves an Obama supporter.

  41. Okay, hopefully you’ve recovered those fleeting IQ points. Now you’ve piqued my curiosity…

    Is your job successfully performed when you make a mountain out of a molehill, or a molehill out of a mountain? Or is it strictly determined by billable hours?

  42. It usually is done when I have resolved a problem for the client.

    Like when I can tell their Homeownwers Association that they can’t enforce the amendment to their CCR’s preventing some, but not all of the members from leasing out their homes because of the dispirate treatment of the members, the fact that it is inconsistent with other sections of the CCRs, and because they failed to follow ALL the requirements to amend the CCRs.

    Or maybe its when I obtain a retraction of from a client’s neighbor of comments she published to neighbors and law enforcement that painted him to be an lawbreaker and polluter when he only engaged in lawful activity, and there is no factual basis by which she could link the pollution and his activity, especially when state records indicate that there are over 20 separate pollutants at issue, and when taken in total, they indicate a different and older source of the pollution.

    Or maybe its when I give someone who is dying the peace of mind that comes with knowing that their will has been completed and that their estate will be distributed in the exact manner that they intend.

    I don’t make silly half-assed assumptions about the job you do. You can offer me the same courtesy.

  43. Tex,

    It’s interesting you would side with Billy Graham, a democrat and professed social justice liberal.

    AFA the most admired Christian of note in America, assuming you mean among the ones still breathing…

    Hmmm… unless I know them personally, it’s really hard to determine whether they are real or not. Most of those I admire you would not know. There are plenty that are faithful prayer warriors that don’t seek the limelight, but live their convictions. We have quite a few local that are good examples. Many are dedicating their lives to serving others and with very little recognition.

    But, to answer your question, a couple years ago I would have likely named Obama or Jim Wallis, maybe Jimmy Carter or Billy Graham, none obviously are perfect, and as individuals they have made plenty of wrong choices. Reba, Dolly, Dylan, Rogers, have certainly had their ups and downs, but I found them genuine in real life. I know I am forgetting plenty.

    I’ll go with a local boy, Alice Cooper. A genuine sheep in wolves’ clothing. He does much good for this community.

  44. I sure bite the hand that feeds me a bunch.

    I have two options to make money over the summer.

    Join a bunch of crazy Detroit fire fighters and roof houses, risking my life and sweating my balls off while taking years off my joints.

    Trade Bernank news when the condescending fuck head opens his mouth.

    Yesterday, he teased Wallstreet with a nice pole dance about free money for bankers (free markets for the rest of us, of course). Buy silver!

    Today, he totally backs off. Short silver.

    I don’t make a ton doing it. I’m in and out. But, its almost exactly what I would make as a laborer on the roof.

    I’m always late to the party. With computer algorithmic robots and the in-the-know Obama-Goldman Sachs cartel way in front of the silly Rabbit, I can’t game the system. But, making a couple hundred bucks is good money for the Rabbit. It’s almost impossible for me to be greedy because of my white trash background.

    Cash the money out…and eat scrimps, motherfuckers. My favorite scrimps are jumbo, they weigh an ounce and have Lady Liberty on them.

    If I can keep this up….here’s my treat that I will buy for myself in September. Need to protect my scrimps.

  45. Obama, the consummate Christian, hey Puddle? 😈

    Okay…man, you really are twisted and removed from reality. A Marxist as classic example of Christianity Helen.

    P.S. – Billy Graham is about as far removed of “social justice” by your definition as any man on the planet. Billy Graham voted for George Bush twice and his father once. But then, Billy is a “Dominionist.” 😐

    P.S.S. – My wife is a registered Dimocrat who always votes Republican now. Party registration is meaningless.

  46. Oh yes, wading through the HOA quagmire. I’m pretty familiar with that. A real sticky-wicket of pontificates and societal nanny nanny boo-booers. Of course those folks sign off on that bastion of bull crap when they ink those closing docs.

    When you win a case against an HOA, who pays? Oh, that’s right. That’s what dues are for. I guess they’ll be going up! 😉 It’s a lot like suing the government. Talk about your wealth distribution…

    I was advised a living will was a better instrument. Damn, and I paid for that advice.

    Oh well, back to your regularly scheduled programming…

  47. Look, here’s the thing.

    I am not trying to convince anyone that Islamic terrorism is not one of the most pressing issues facing human civilization right now. Nor am I trying to convince anyone that the Koran, like other religious texts, is full of violent passages that are taken literally by many of its readers.

    But there are very important facts that always remain overlooked in this discussion, regardless of who is having it.

    Fact #1 – Islam has a 1500 year history
    Fact #2 – Islam does not have a 1500 year history of Islamic-based violence.

    What we are seeing is relatively new. And that suggests that there is more to it than simply “Muslims are violent followers of a violent religion.” There are many theories as to why we are seeing this, and I am willing to have that conversation with anyone at any time. But its just not as simple as the black and white lines that too many want to use to draw opinions on this issue.

  48. “Puddle, who is your most admired Christian in America of name we might recognize? Do you have a favorite, or are they all Dominionists?

    1) Billy Graham. Hands down. I used to listen to his crusades on TV when I was in high school. Anybody remember his singer? George Beverly Shea (sp?) amazing people. Absolutely above reproach.

    2) My father-in-law. He has never mentioned religion to me a single time – ever – but he quietly lives it every day.

    3) My housekeeper’s dad. Grew up as a sharecropper in Miss.. Successful businessman, father, Pentacostal preacher. He knows my feelings about religion yet we work side by side on local charity events and we always get invitations to church functions. Just went to his sixtieth birthday party, attended by over fifty people who just adore him. He’s coming over tonight to pick up a bed for a charity auction. Fine, fine people every one. They have never once dogged my ass about religion, nor I them.

  49. Note 3:39. Globally? Can someone say FEC violation…

    Hey G, did you have an extra helping of Stupid Cereal this morning? “Globally” didn’t mean outside the United States dingbat. It meant OFA + DNC.

    And then I wonder why you’re a Bachmann supporter. 😆 😆

  50. It usually is done when I have resolved a problem for the client.

    Like when I can tell their Homeownwers Association …

    Oooo ooooo ooooo I declare violation of attorney-client privilege!

    Citizen’s arrest! Citizen’s arrest!

  51. In all my moves, when the realtor takes me to a housing development, my first question is, “Is there a homeowner’s association?”

    If so, we move on. I understand that people want to live in a nice neighborhood, but if I want a fucking motorcycle, I’ll have one. I will be the best neighbor you ever had and putt in and out quietly. I will help you dig out in the winter snows and I will watch your daughter carefully from bus stop all the way down the driveway – and God help anybody who bothers her, but you will not give me orders or tell me what kind of garbage cans I must have.

    So, I always tell the realtor, “Eliminate any and all areas with homeowners’ associations; they won’t be happy and I won’t be happy if I live here.”

  52. I’ll go with a local boy, Alice Cooper. A genuine sheep in wolves’ clothing. He does much good for this community.

    And to think he wrote “No More Mr. Nice Guy”.

    I’ve always loved the Coop. And I’m telling you if anyone ever makes a biopic of him, it oughta star Steve Carell of The Office.

  53. Billy Graham. Hands down. I used to listen to his crusades on TV when I was in high school. Anybody remember his singer? George Beverly Shea (sp?) amazing people. Absolutely above reproach.

    Agreed, but according to Puddles, Billy Graham is not only a Dominionist, but one of the founders…

    I would nominate in my lifetime John Paul, Billy Graham, Bill Bright, Jack Graham, Anne Graham Lotz, David Jeremiah and Adrian Rogers as examples of excellent Christians beyond reproach.

    But I am almost positive that by definition, all of them would be defined according to Puddle’s linked definition as “Dominionists”, with maybe the exception of John Paul – and only because he is Catholic.

    So color me still confused as to what a Dominionist is.

  54. “Fact #2 – Islam does not have a 1500 year history of Islamic-based violence.”

    Who cares? Seriously, who gives a shit? Far too many of them do now. Hell, even the radical Muslims would disagree with you as they believe, wrongly or not, that they are being “old school” when they slaughter.

    It’s an academic point and not a helpful one.

    It’s almost as if you are requiring us to have a politically correct caveat or footnote showing our learned awareness about Islamic history every time we point out the daily slaughter…becuase…well……Hucking as learned this…..and we…uh….should too.

    Blah!

  55. “In all my moves, when the realtor takes me to a housing development, my first question is, “Is there a homeowner’s association?”-Pfessor

    Agreed. I’m so glad to be out of my old fat-mom-yuppy-subdivision with all it’s stupid rules. Shit felt like a weight on me. A stifling burden of pointless conformity.

  56. Bill Bright? Of Bright of America? If so, I know him. He was from Summersville WV – a real success story and a Good guy, with a capital G. He later got into the coal business.

  57. I will help you dig out in the winter snows and I will watch your daughter carefully from bus stop all the way down the driveway

    That’s the kind of guarantee that gives me the willies. 😯

  58. Oh yes, wading through the HOA quagmire. I’m pretty familiar with that. A real sticky-wicket of pontificates and societal nanny nanny boo-booers. Of course those folks sign off on that bastion of bull crap when they ink those closing docs.

    Of course it becomes more frustrating when the nannies tried to change things significantly after you purchased the property, and didn’t even give you notice of those proceedings.

    When you win a case against an HOA, who pays? Oh, that’s right. That’s what dues are for. I guess they’ll be going up! It’s a lot like suing the government. Talk about your wealth distribution…

    Actually, it was the homeowner’s employer paying for my services, and when the nannies in the HOA are too stupid to folly thier own rules, then yes, they should pay the “stupid tax”.

    I was advised a living will was a better instrument. Damn, and I paid for that advice.

    Its great for making sure you get unplugged when your brain checks out, and your body hangs on, but without out a Will or a trust instrument, the gubbmint gets to decide who gets your stuff.

  59. “Who cares? Seriously, who gives a shit?”

    You might if you bothered to read beyond that. Which you obviously did not. Allow me to reiterate…

    “…that suggests that there is more to it than simply ‘Muslims are violent followers of a violent religion.'”

    Or maybe you would just prefer to talk shit than to find answers to problems.

    “It’s almost as if you are requiring us to have a politically correct caveat or footnote showing our learned awareness about Islamic history every time we point out the daily slaughter…becuase…well……Hucking as learned this…..and we…uh….should too. ”

    It’s that I am requiring people to know what the hell they are talking about when they talk about an issue.

    But we have long established that such will never be the case on this issue at this forum. You’d all rather spout off with cherry-picked sources that prove your point, rather than have an honest, intellectual discussion on the topic. When anyone tries to lead the topic in an intellectual direction, we get DR crying that someone is trying to place themselves above his extensive knowledge.

    It’s almost as if you require people to ignore their education so they can be on the same level as your ignorance.

  60. ‘ I will help you dig out in the winter snows and I will watch your daughter carefully from bus stop all the way down the driveway

    That’s the kind of guarantee that gives me the willies.”

    I know you’re being funny, but let me tell you something: having watched the Jaycee Dugard story on the news today, there is a very good reason they have prisons. It is to keep people like me from getting at people like her captors.

  61. Just remember. Obama wants more of the same fine people who helped keep Jaycee Dugard imprisoned. Some more of those capable government workers, who can’t find their butt cheeks with both hands.

    Yesterday, while waiting in line at the Post Office for 20 minutes to get a package mailed, everyone stared in disbelief at the one server line.

    I popped off something about get used to it – this is what health care will look like when and if Obamacare becomes effective. Surprisingly, everyone apparently agreed (or thought I was crazy).

    I couldn’t help but remember Graychin telling us what a monument to effectiveness the Post Office was either. I’m glad that buffoon is finally gone – he deserved to be banished to Yeller Dawg land for that comment alone.

  62. Rutherford, I give you credit my man. You’re about the only true liberal left that I know than hasn’t cut and run from a mixed blog.

    I think it took about three or four of us to clean house at Fat Grannies. We hit the hags with facts, twisted off the heads of one or two hens, and had a fryer. The rest flew off behind password protection to a feckless, meaningless blog. I can’t throw Puddles in that mix because he’s more cuckoo than hen, so he doesn’t count as true lib.

    For all intents and purposes, Fat Grannies is pretty much dead, other than a few conservatives/libertarian types. There’s the occasional drive-by, one or two daily “miss you” posts, but not much else.

    I told the harpies you were smarter than all their sorry asses combined and I was proven right. At least you make the attempt to defend the positions and are sometimes clever about it. Tip of the cap old friend.

  63. General, I didn’t look up before posting. Hell no, I haven’t been banned. Rutherford loves me (in a manly sort of way, kind of like you did once upon a time).

    How you doing my young jedi? Very funny stuff at Daedalus. You just know that fries the ass of Chunk. I expect him to M.I. one day reading that crap. 🙂

  64. Hucking, you got me all wrong.

    I’m fascinated by Islamic History. I probably know more Arabic then you do and I’m probably more familiar with nuanced cultural oddities of the Arab world then you are as well. I studied Islamic history in Dearborn, Michigan as well as lived there. To a certain extent, I’ve grown up in a part of the Islamic world.

    So, your assuming ignorance on my part because I claim that an arsenal of knowledge surrounding Islamic history will be fruitless when addressing radical Islam?

    For starters, I don’t think your claim about the last 1500 years of Islamic history gives us much insight .

    In fact, I’d go as far as saying that peaceful epochs in Islamic history are the exception and not the norm. As Tex rightfully pointed out, Islam was born out of war.

    The Islamic world has been certainly stable at times, but even it’s stable eras are of no use as potential models for today’s Muslims if even remotely applied to modern norms.

    Minorities were always second class citizens. Sure, ironically, this allowed a few Christians and Jews to take profitable or powerful positions in various Islamic empires. However, as a whole, it has always sucked to be an infidel except during times of even more barbarism outside the Islamic world.

    So, the onus is on you. For every peaceful time you conjure up, YOU need to some how tie its relevance today. So, tell us, dear professor, how does, say, the peaceful conversion of Indonesian traders in the 15th century apply to today?

    Even the Ottoman Empire, at times a stable and reasonable empire, cut through the Western world by the blades of the Janissary Corp, regiments of brainwashed freaks who were originally kidnapped or enslaved as Christian little boys (if there physiques looked promising enough.)

    You also have to DISMISS the dozens of jihadist historical epochs as well.

    It’s quite a task.

    In fact, I’m going to go out on a limb and claim the most peaceful eras in Islamic history were ones where Islam itself was diluted by outside or indigenous cultural forces.

    What a shock?

    That sounds just like today?

    And guess what?

    Cool Muslims are usually not very Muslim at all.

    The more Orthodox they are, the greater the chance they will be jihadist.

  65. Are you staying at a Holiday Inn Express?

    LOL I don’t know if that was meant as a put-down but I’m staying at a Hampton Inn which is no better, and perhaps worse. 🙂

  66. It’s almost as if you require people to ignore their education so they can be on the same level as your ignorance.

    Sadly, this approach applies to political discourse as well. How else could people like Rick Santorum, Michele Bachmann or Sarah Palin be part of a serious conversation about politics?

  67. Yeah PF, if the Jaycee Dugard story is what I think it is, then damn that IS pretty f*cked up. You capture a girl, make her your sex slave and father kids by her, It is amazing what sick sh*t we humans are capable of.

  68. Hey guys! Tex hasn’t been banned yet? LOL

    Well sonofab*tch! If it isn’t General Chen! You must be bored as hell dude to be paying us a visit but welcome.

    How the hell are you? I’m the last one standing even trying to defend Obama. You revving up for the 2012 election or have you given up on politics?

  69. Rutherford, now you’re being disingenuous.

    Sadly, this approach applies to political discourse as well. How else could people like Rick Santorum, Michele Bachmann or Sarah Palin be part of a serious conversation about politics?

    Your best and brightest, the one you liked the most, just twittered his pecker to the world. Even a complete dumb ass and thief like Nancy Pelosi couldn’t defend the pervert. You want to talk about a lack of education, tact and class?

    You can mock Palin or Bachmann all your want, but the fact still is that they are both far smarter than 98% of the Dimocratic Congress. It’s really that simple. No matter how incapable you may find either, they would be intellectual giants in your chosen party.

    If I’m wrong about how stupid the “typical” Dimocratic Congress are, start naming capable names and we’ll compare records. I’ll pull out some of those baboons making up the black caucus for starters about their “intellect.”

  70. “It’s almost as if you require people to ignore their education so they can be on the same level as your ignorance.”

    Hey…..I’m waiting to be enlightened.

    What am I missing, here. Outside of the basics, seriously, what am I missing?

    I will sip from the great Hucking chalice of knowledge. I am waiting and eager.

    What can he teach me that will help me…us…..in stopping murderous savages from killing daily?

    He usually drops by and says something akin to this: “There is a lot of history I’ve learned about Islam. You should learn it too so that we can have an intellectual conversation about it.”

    You know what he doesn’t do? He doesn’t actually ever apply said history to anything.

    I’m waiting.

    What nuggets of Islamic history are so imperative to properly engaging the stink beards?

    Rutherford, perhaps you can had something to this? Maybe you could point out where the Dead Rabbit is dropping the ball due to ignorance?

  71. Sadly, this approach applies to political discourse as well. How else could people like Rick Santorum, Michele Bachmann or Sarah Palin be part of a serious conversation about politics?

    Or Nancy Pelosi, or John Conyers, or Joe Biden, or Barry Sotero, or Jan Schakowsky, or….

  72. Tex, if your obituary for Fat Grannies is accurate I can’t say that I’m in deep mourning. My few visits there made me ashamed to be a liberal. 😐

  73. You want to talk about a lack of education, tact and class?

    You’ve just mixed apples and oranges big time. What in the world does education have to do with tact or class? Weiner is probably a very bright man …. and also a very stupid man. Entirely possible.

  74. Rutherford, perhaps you can had something to this? Maybe you could point out where the Dead Rabbit is dropping the ball due to ignorance?

    Rabbit, I get your point that intellect for its own sake is worthless in solving real world problems.

    BUT

    What Huck is addressing, if I may be so bold as to speak for him, is the belief that Islam is inherently more evil or violent or pathological than any other religion. By citing periods of history when Muslims did not war against people, Huck successfully points out that Muslims CAN live in peace. Does that help them be peaceful right now? Maybe not. I’m not smart enough to isolate the factors that have caused the radicals to piss on their own religion and do so much damage in its name. But to dismiss Islam as a hateful religion, completely ignorant of its past is to do it an injustice.

    And yes … Rabbit, since you live in the Islamic capital of America, I expect you do have a hell of a lot of experience in these matters. I’ve been a bit surprised that up until now all your comments have been off topic as this is one topic about which you’re well prepared to pipe in.

    P.S. I find a common thread among orthodoxy across all religions is an intolerance of others. Try to get Hasidic Jews to hang with the general public and see what happens.

  75. Speaking of Hasidim, the butchering of that little 8 year old boy in Brooklyn for some reason has really gotten under my skin. The kid begged his parents to let him walk part of the way home from day camp by himself … trying to be a grown up … got snatched and chopped into pieces by some sick f*ck.

    Now the parents must exist in a living hell. They wanted to give their kid a sense of independence, at his own request, and they paid the ultimate and most irrational price for it. Some idiot in the neighborhood said “I’m shocked … this is a zero crime neighborhood”. Someone needs to remind him that there is no such thing anymore. 😥

  76. Or Nancy Pelosi, or John Conyers, or Joe Biden, or Barry Sotero, or Jan Schakowsky, or….

    Mostly bad examples. Now if you wanna cite the dude worried about Guam sinking, then yes … I agree with you 100%. But please do notice he’s not running for President.

  77. What Huck is addressing, if I may be so bold as to speak for him, is the belief that Islam is inherently more evil or violent or pathological than any other religion. By citing periods of history when Muslims did not war against people, Huck successfully points out that Muslims CAN live in peace.

    And if I may be so bold to speak for Rabbit, we’ve proven time and again as my link above demonstrated, the only time Islam has had peace is when they’ve been beaten to a pulp. Otherwise, their history is nothing but war and jihadism.

    And yes, Islam has a unique history of violence and war, and is in fact before political correctness set in, renowned for their violence.

  78. And yes, Islam has a unique history of violence and war, and is in fact before political correctness set in, renowned for their violence.

    While one example proves nothing, I might remind you that Malcolm X trip to Mecca turned him against violence. In the end, Islam was a good influence on him, Sadly he was killed by those who wanted to further the radical agenda.

  79. What Huck is addressing, if I may be so bold as to speak for him, is the belief that Islam is inherently more evil or violent or pathological than any other religion. By citing periods of history when Muslims did not war against people, Huck successfully points out that Muslims CAN live in peace. Does that help them be peaceful right now? Maybe not. I’m not smart enough to isolate the factors that have caused the radicals to piss on their own religion and do so much damage in its name. But to dismiss Islam as a hateful religion, completely ignorant of its past is to do it an injustice.

    The periods when they do aren’t too hard to figure out, especially if you take a long look at their moduas operandai. You’ll find looks of talk about peace when they are in the minority. Then when they start to feel their oats and the numbers multiply, then they aren’t so peaceful, and they are a damn sight more beligerent with the “submit” thing.

    You assume that the violence and submission that the religion requires is a bug and not a feature. The long view suggests differently. But then, I’m not dissing it ignorant of its past. I know a little something about its past., and I’d be hard pressed to find congruity of its general history of expansion and conquest in the other religions you want to portray as being no different.

    There would be no analogous group to the Barbary Pirates in Chistianity or Judiasm. I cannot recall a time when I read about a Christian or Jewish suicide bomber bording a muslim bus, or aircraft, or wandering into a muslim crowd in a market or gathering. And while one can point to the crusades and the spanish inquistion, the only thing that comes close in modern history would be opposing the “right” of a mother to kill her children and call it privacy, or to stand firm in what they believe their faith requires, and telling Neil and Bob, and their dougnut munching counterparts that they have no place in their faith, and, of course, protesting at military funerals with the Phelps clan, but I know no mainstream Christian or Jew who supports and condones those assholes.

    I find a common thread among orthodoxy across all religions is an intolerance of others. Try to get Hasidic Jews to hang with the general public and see what happens.

    Hmmm. Does the phrase “in the world but not of it” hold any meaning for you?

    I know what you mean. Those hardcore yids…always blowing up or cutting the heads off of those in different faiths.

    I think you confuse wanting to be left the fuck alone to live separately with the reactions of those who want to convert you or kill you. But maybe if you dwell on it a little longer, that light will go on over your head.

  80. Mostly bad examples. Now if you wanna cite the dude worried about Guam sinking, then yes … I agree with you 100%. But please do notice he’s not running for President.

    Barry’s running again, and he lamented the Constitution being a flawed document becuase it limits what government can do. That’s not just dumb, its weapons grade dumb.

    Granny Rictus and her idiotic assurances that the Constitution authorizes Congress to pass Obamacare.

    Joe Biden and…well, its Joe Biden. A comprehensive list would suck all your badwidth.

    John Conyers…Mr. Good and Plenty Clause himself?

    No. They were very good examples.

  81. While one example proves nothing, I might remind you that Malcolm X trip to Mecca turned him against violence. In the end, Islam was a good influence on him, Sadly he was killed by those who wanted to further the radical agenda.

    And those that killed him were Muslim.. 😉

  82. Virtually all of the warriors across history have been male, from tribal to modern times. Similarly, males have perpetrated most of the interpersonal violent crimes: in the U.S., 90% of murderers and 82% of other violent criminals are male. Males even commit suicide four times as often as females.

    http://www.psychohistory.com/originsofwar/02_whymalesaremoreviolent.html

    Maybe it has nothing to do with religion. Maybe the females of the planet need to step up to police and govern the rest of us. It hasn’t been done on any large scale to date. Maybe worth a try?

    Of course, that leaves the election to Michele Bachmann, the likely leading female in the race. I certainly would not feel secure knowing Hillary was in that position of power. I think MB is very smart and just plays the idiot for the electorate. The electorate has certainly become less intelligent over time, even as the access to knowledge has increased. But with MB we get the onset of “biblical law”, since she is definitely dominionist throughout. There is a little story in that last book of the Bible that would go along with that scenerio, if it was to play out.

    Not of this world, for sure…

  83. Maybe the females of the planet need to step up to police and govern the rest of us. It hasn’t been done on any large scale to date. Maybe worth a try?

    Like the Puddle house? That’s what we need – more pussification and emasculation of males. That’s the entire damn Lib party.

    No thanks – us Conservative males prefer our ordained roles. And we like our wives feminine, motherly and Proverbs 31.

    We leave it to you Lib Jew haters to hide behind the apron Ahab.

  84. Maybe it has nothing to do with religion. Maybe the females of the planet need to step up to police and govern the rest of us. It hasn’t been done on any large scale to date. Maybe worth a try?

    Except that peaceful religion that has been so maligned wouldn’t permit its devout followers to be led by a women. Hell, they don’t eeven want women to drive, or go out in public unless they are covered up from head to toe.

    The electorate has certainly become less intelligent over time, even as the access to knowledge has increased.

    *Thinks of all the suckers who voted for a cypher who kept repeating the empty mantra of “Hope and Change” in the last Presidental election without ever bothering to find out more about him.*

    Ok. I’ll give you that, but those aren’t the voters she’s courting.

  85. Mrs Tex is the one with the full-time occupation, no?

    For health care. Do you want me to keep her home barefoot and pregnant Ahab, or aren’t I supposed to be “liberated?” I mean, the woman did graduate Summa Cum. That’s highest honors for tax cheats.

    And guess whose still paying for kid’s private college numb nuts? Part of the agreement. It’s called early success and money in the bank – something you wouldn’t understand Ahab. Now or forever. 😉

    Suck on that lemon for a while Puddles.

  86. I wonder if Puddles, our resident “bible scholar”, ever understood that the only time Jews had female leadership, it was under judgment?

    Now I know he hates Jews, but that Messiah he claims to worship did happen to be a Zionist.

  87. Under judgement? The whole old testament denotes Jews under judgement. How about the modern world? Guess you never heard of Golda Meir?

    BTW, Jesus was not a Zionist based on the modern definition. That’s where you and your brother Hagee and the rest of your ilk miss the mark.

    Zion and Jerusalem have both physical and spiritual connotations. I was aware early on that you missed that important nuance. 🙄

  88. I just made some crack head move away from me at the bar because he smells like turds and jail.

    I gave my old lady a text about it and she says I was way out of line.

    But damn. Life is too short to smell crack heads.

  89. Except that peaceful religion that has been so maligned wouldn’t permit its devout followers to be led by a women. Hell, they don’t eeven want women to drive, or go out in public unless they are covered up from head to toe.

    It seems the historical facts dispute your claim. I’m sure the “radicals” have issues with them, but it seems the majority of the members of the “religion of peace” don’t. And as far as the covering head to toe… what type of getup do you visualize women in the early Christian church and the Jewish communities wearing? How about the Mennonite, Quaker, some Mormon and Hindu sects? Heck, check out some Catholic denominations. No bikinis there.

    Why is it that we so easily judge an entire group based on some standouts, hearsay, or our American world view? We are the newcomers in this global society. I think the rest of the world is getting tired of our hypocrisy and disrespect. We’ve lost one of the most basic and positive characteristics of our “faith”. Humility. Maybe that is why it is stressed continually in the New Testament.

    Just sayin…

  90. Poolman, your biblical knowledge is incredibly superficial, twisted and half-cocked. That’s where you and your brother Satan, Mahmoud and the rest of your Fat Grannies ilk miss the mark.

    I have run out of patience with a heretical, inane mooch and will ratchet this up to places you don’t want to go if you don’t back off the Jew hatred in my presence.

    You’ve been warned.

  91. “Speaking of Hasidim, the butchering of that little 8 year old boy in Brooklyn for some reason has really gotten under my skin.”-R

    Man, I’m with you. I grieve over this stuff.

  92. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping” (2 Peter NIV).

  93. I”ll see your Jew hatred and raise you a couple liberal slurs.

    You really don’t get it, do you? It has nothing to do with a hatred of Jews. I oppose Zionism. Zionism IS racism. Period. I’m not the one who makes this shit up, despite your accusations. It is well-defined AND well-documented.

    I don’t give a shit if you have a star of David tattooed on your forehead. THAT is an occult symbol. ALWAYS has been. ALWAYS will be. Get it? Apparently not. Never studied Satanists? Too bad for you. Or maybe you are not part of the “elect” that might perchance be deceived. This is really child’s play.

    Hex?
    Six sides?
    Six points?
    Six letters?
    A man, a nation…
    Still clueless?
    Google it. I won’t waste my best links here and now.

  94. ‘“Speaking of Hasidim, the butchering of that little 8 year old boy in Brooklyn for some reason has really gotten under my skin.”-R

    Man, I’m with you. I grieve over this stuff.’

    Let me tell you a quick little tale: When I was 8-9 years old, my father had lost his job in the coal mines and began to sell Christmas trees to make a few dollars in the winter.

    After several years of being unemployed, much to his surprise he had gotten a job on evening shift at a local mine. He had developed a loyal following in the Christmas tree business, so after I got home from school every day I would sell trees while he was at work.

    This was rural West Virginia. It was December 23, a cold, windy, overcast day with about a foot of snow on the ground and pretty much everybody who wanted a tree had one, but much to my and my mother’s surprise, two men came by looking for a Christmas tree. We lived way out in the country; my mother and I were alone, my father being at work, and she suggested we just tell them we were closed for the season. I said nothing doing and went out in the snow with the saw to get them their tree.

    Unbeknownst to me, while the one man had me traipsing around the property the other one was trying to break into the house. My mother went to a door on the other side and began frantically calling for me to come in. I yelled back that I was almost done.

    My mother had locked all the doors and windows; the two men rejoined, and having no luck robbing the old woman and the little boy actually paid me for the tree and left. (I guess they figured that on Dec 23 the old man would have all the money he was going to collect for that season.)

    When I went back inside she told me what had happened; the second man had tried all the doors and windows on the first floor. Since we were not in view of any neighbors, they had figured us easy pickin’s.

    My mother said, “I didn’t care about getting robbed, but I was afraid they would kidnap you!”

    I started laughing. “That would be a mistake, Mom.” And I pulled out my father’s .38 from my coat pocket. When he was alone on the property he carried it, and I had learned from him. (Remember, I’m eight, maybe nine years old.)

    “Good Lord! Would you have shot them?”

    “I would have killed them both.”

    And I would.

    So it doesn’t always end badly.

  95. Rutherford,

    Regarding your comments 106 and 110, what you are seeing in these manifestations of peace conduct is the breadth of the idea of Jihad. Yes, a Muslim population can coexist without violence in anywhere – so long as it is clearly obvious to them that violence will get them ( and Islam ) hurt. They then are ‘guided’ by the Koran and Hadiths to alternative tactics.

    I, of course, don’t have Islamic sources to cite that concisely state this; the ‘guidance’ is always long winded. I do have reference for such analysis, though:

    http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=30675

    FTA: “As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness”

  96. The American organization ‘The Nation of Islam’ isn’t … Islamic. They’re kind of like … Islam’s Branch Davidians. Sunni Muslims consider them to be kaffirs ( non-Muslim but spit when you say it ) at best, but also as apostates ( traitors, like Adam Gadahn is to the US ).

    Malcolm X did the Hajj and changed to Sunni Muslim in April ’64. Members of the Nation of Islam killed him in February ’65.

  97. Puddles,

    You’re a nut – not a dangerous nut, because you’re too simple to not be obvious, much like farcical imbeciles who once ran around with hoods on their head and burned crosses in Jew’s yards. I do get it. I get that you’re a gullible boob who lives hand to mouth, with the water level about chin high. John Grisham became a multi-millionaire using white trash like you to pen books. You’ve got plenty of company.

    I went to bed last night thinking about raising the stakes and actually punishing you like you deserve to be punished for your bigotry – a punishment beyond name calling and pointing fingers. Then my better nature talked me out of it and I was actually embarrassed that I even bother to correspond with a lobotomized, uneducated demagogue like you. I owe Rutherford a public apology for even warning you, as it a poor reflection of me in a weak moment and out of place on a public blog. Everybody else here has the sense to ignore you and realizes there is more than one set of misfiring frontal lobes in Arizona not named Jared Loughner.

    This garbage you post about Jewish conspiracy theories, like the Mossad being responsible for crimes against humanity (9/11), from white supremist sites and discounted nuts resembling Branch Davidian like anti-apostolic communes, is a disgrace. Many, if not most of these authors you link were discounted ages ago, have zero credibility or are laughing stocks, and most are idiots in their own right.

    You leave a terrible impression to the unbeliever and feed right into caricature of churches being chock full of America’s lowest, inane slugs – unfortunately, in many cases, they are absolutely correct.

  98. Ok. I’ll give you that, but those aren’t the voters she’s courting.

    Oh puhleeze … Michele Bachmann is courting the dumbest, most gullible, most prayer-solves-all-problems audience imaginable. The degree to which she stands a chance of being elected is truly a measure of the IQ of the average voter … which is shrinking by the minute. 😦

  99. I just made some crack head move away from me at the bar because he smells like turds and jail.

    LOL Rabbit you remind me of the girl who says she can’t meet any “quality” men when she only ever goes to bars.

    If you don’t want a funky crack-head sitting next to you, stay out of the bar, particularly when your wife is home alone at night (working or not).

  100. R, she kicks me out of the house! Its literally an 80 second bike ride. I just have a pint and play a little Keno.

    I’m still working on this Forex stuff. Kind of sucks I put this much time into something I’m confident is for suckers.

    At this point, I’m just seeing if its worth playing for fun (small money) or if its in my interests to have instant access to money markets during crazy runs on the Euro or Dollar.

  101. Tsk tsk “R” – you’re reverting back to Hawwwvard elitism. What you published is only half truth. But let’s say you’re right. Let’s say Michele Bachmann caters to the dumbest, most gullible, most bible thumping people on earth.

    Who votes for the following:

    Cynthia McKinney
    Charlie Rangel
    Maxine Waters
    Hank Johnson
    Alcee Hastings

    You keep forgetting to preface your charges with “Republican” most gullible, dumbest, etc….

    Even Poolman looks brilliant when conversing in public housing 😉

  102. Rutherford, did you read this? Sorry, I know this is not laugh material, but how can you not at this statement? Understatement of the year:

    “Not the most functional family…,” said Sheriff Randy Willis.

    😆 😆 😆

    Really Sheriff Willis? What was your first clue? How many of us can really admit not wanting to strangle our mom for wanting to play Yahtzee? I know when a simple “NO” wouldn’t do with mom, I always went looking for a cord.

  103. Must read….

    The Obama Downgrade
    The real reason the U.S. could lose its AAA rating.

    On spending, it is important to recall how extraordinary the blowout of the last three years has been. We’ve seen nothing like it since World War II. Nothing close. The nearby chart tracks federal outlays as a share of GDP since 1960. The early peaks coincide with the rise of the Great Society, the recession of 1974-75, and then a high of 23.5% with the recession of 1982 and the Reagan defense buildup.

    From there, spending declines, most rapidly during the 1990s as defense outlays fell to 3% of GDP in 2000 from its Reagan peak of 6.2% in 1986. The early George W. Bush years saw spending bounce up to a plateau of roughly 20% of GDP, but no more than 20.7% as recently as 2008.

    Then came the Obama blowout, in league with Nancy Pelosi’s Congress. With the recession as a rationale, Democrats consciously blew up the national balance sheet, lifting federal outlays to 25% in 2009, the highest level since 1945. (Even in 1946, with millions still in the military, spending was only 24.8% of GDP. In 1947 it fell to 14.8%.) Though the recession ended in June 2009, spending in 2010 stayed high at nearly 24%, and this year it is heading back toward 25%.

    This is the main reason that federal debt held by the public as a share of GDP has climbed from 40.3% in 2008, to 53.5% in 2009, 62.2% in 2010 and an estimated 72% this year, and is expected to keep rising in the future. These are heights not seen since the Korean War, and many analysts think U.S. debt will soon hit 90% or 100% of GDP.

    Read the rest…

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304203304576446332084493902.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

  104. Krauthammer was on either O’Reilly or Hannity last night. I read the article and I gather it was pretty much what he said last night.

    I’m not sure what is so profound about it. No compromise — grid locked government needs one party to do the whole thing. That’s the problem. No one wants to really solve problems in a collaborative manner. The GOP is so preoccupied with ruining Obama’s presidency they can’t see the path toward real solutions. Krauthammer isn’t interested in solving problems. He’s interested in defeating Obama.

  105. The GOP is so preoccupied with ruining Obama’s presidency they can’t see the path toward real solutions. Krauthammer isn’t interested in solving problems. He’s interested in defeating Obama.

    For a smart man, your blind spots sometimes overwhelm me.

    Rutherford, read the WSJ article I linked and get back with me so you too can see the real numbers. Obama has no proposal, no budget, and no ideas but something called revenue neutrality. The man is a liar and a fool, as evidence by his claims yesterday on national TV 80% of the American public favors raising taxes. According to Gallup, the real number is 34%.

    Once again, I make this example as a government clearly out of control, and has been for at least 50 years.

    Medicare was originally budgeted to be 2.6% of the entire federal allocation. It now accounts for over a quarter of the spending.

    Come on Rutherford. Even a die hard liberal like you has to admit our government is not only broken, it’s a broken behemoth of enormous waste.

  106. The GOP is so preoccupied with ruining Obama’s presidency they can’t see the path toward real solutions.

    Wow. I might find this compelling…if the House hadn’t already passed a budget plan that helped to deal with these issues, and the fact that King Putt refuses to actually give any details that might clue us in to the brilliance in his own mind.

  107. Is there anyway before 😆 King Putt 😆 hits the steps to whine and bitch about his political opponents and tell all of us what we “really want”, misquote facts and figures about the cause of deficit, blah blah blah – that maybe, just maybe, he and his minions could even construct a budget?

    We haven’t had one of those in two years.

    We all know Nancy Pelosi is the real “feminine” joke of politics, but I’m no longer convinced that Obama is two steps ahead of her in the “intellectual” sense.

    The more time goes by, the more convinced I am that Obama is simply a pretty mouthpiece and empty suit without a hint of substance. Perhaps the best word to describe Obama is facile.

  108. Speaking of really short memories and abject stupidity about one’s electorate Rutherford, guess who is playing the race card over the deficit? Here’s a bullying bitch that is so awful, Continental Airlines (big in Houston) refuses to let this butt faced goon even fly on their airline – a Congresswoman, mind you.

    Queen Kong has spoken…

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/07/15/dem_congresswoman_blames_debt_ceiling_fight_on_obamas_race.html

    “R”, you’re a decent, mannerly, well educated man. I hope you haven’t grown so jaded that this no longer embarrasses you.

  109. Man, if you want to see some liberal boned on Live TV, you should have been watching the O’Reilly factor. They got this ditsy Occidental College blond professor (where the hell is that in CA?) that is an Obama drone with the MSNBC talking points down pat.

    And they just cut her legs off outright lying for Obama. Steve Hayes asked for the specific Obama cuts and she went off about being patronized with the deer in the headlights look caught lying. 😆

    Great TV!

    Time to turn the screws on these Obama lies guys. We’ve got them by the balls if we play this right…they are out of cards. It is time to finally close this match.

  110. Okay this is all totally OT, as if that mattered.

    Damn, I love my job! Now that I have plenty of work again. I started up a new pool did an orientation, going over the bells and whistles with the client this morning. Always a highlight moment – showing the automation and water features. It’s like injecting folks with major happy serum that makes them giddy like the three-year-olds I teach on Sunday mornings. Fun stuff. I never get too tired of that reaction.

    Anyway, I will likely be here less until the heat wanes. Tex, I’m sure you and your alter ego will be jubilant over that. Anything I can do to help bring a little joy and happiness to this f**ked up world. Some bring you joy when they come, others when they go. The facts will likely remain. It’s all good, even if that means I’m frequenting cyberspace a little less often. Who knows, it may serve to keep some of your collective blood pressures from soaring – yanno, keep you from going ape shit as you smash your digits into the keyboard. 😀

    I’ve been blessed with low blood pressure. Every time I have it checked, the nurses never believe it, always testing me two or three times. My wife usually has to assure them it’s okay – it’s poolman normal. Even if my adrenaline gets pumped or I’ve sucked down a pot of coffee, it still never goes above a normal level or gets anywhere close to high. If I could share that blessing with you guys, I would. Not sure if it’s just my heredity. I’m sure that plays a big part since both my brothers have low BP.

    I did want to mention that I got rid of my cell phone this past January. At that time it was because I had 6 folks on the plan, money was tight and no one helped contribute, so it was suspended. I missed it greatly the first month, but now I really, really like it. I can cruise with the music as loud as I want and never miss a call. I don’t get interrupted in the middle of any work or play. Helps in my pursuit of happiness. 😉 There are rarely any pool emergencies, though some of these clients think otherwise…

    “Turn the pump off and call me in the morning.”
    “Add 2 chlorine tabs and get some rest.”
    “Make sure it’s got plenty of water…”

    But the great news is, I have had zero headaches since. I really did not notice that until this month. It wasn’t until I was meeting with a new client and had to explain “I do not carry a cell phone, that I realized the connection. I use to get bad headaches 3 or 4 times a week and attributed them to optical/computer issues. Not one since January. No more microwaves to the brain. Good thing too, since I just found recent studies that reveal a substantial increase in brain tumors attributed to their use. Everywhere I go, folks have these things attached to their noggins. They start at ages 9 and 10! What a huge market!

    Don’t expect our media to report that “bad” news . I mean, look how much money is tied up in the wireless phone industry! If anyone is interested and wants a link to the science, go here:
    http://www.i-sis.org.uk/index.php

    Rabbit, interesting turn of events with my former mortgage company. They are being deceptive and I now have them in several documented lies and acts of deception. These banking folks are the criminals we need to take down. “I’m just doing my job” only goes up the ladder so far.

    I’ll see how it plays out, but it appears I just might end up helping keep one of my lawyer buddies from having to struggle in making his monthly beamer payment.

    Man, and I thought that “dust” article would get some play. I guess some particulatesrs are harder to swallow. 😎

  111. I had quite the multicultural evening, boys. I’m driving to softball, when I come upon a nasty car accident. An SUV is on it’s side with an old Japanese man in it. He hit this hot Indian chick head on. She was ok (I hope)…just dazed. He was fucking mangled. I’ve never seen a laceration like this. I’m talking muscle, tendon and bone exposed.

    Here’s the catch. The car is smoking on the inside (from the air bags?) and he has two lawnmowers and a ten gallon jug of gas leaking all through the back of the car.

    I don’t want to move him, as his leg might be broken too (and God knows what else), but, on the other hand, if this car lights up we’re going to have a Friday Night fish fry. So, I climb on top of the car and convince him to take his seat belt off….. strangely enough, he’s kind of standing up in the front seat with it still on. I then tell him I’m going to hold him, and if the car lights up, I’m going to yank him out. Otherwise, I’m going to just hold him until the ambulance arrives. He answered by puking a white milky substance, the spray getting on me.

    Well, I didn’t notice that I had cut myself on the glass. Making matters worse, the old guy’s blood was on my tiny cuts. I sure hope he didn’t fuck a Korean whore in the poop shoot when he was in the Imperial Jap Navy.

    What’s a little Hep between friends.

    I play the game, hit no homeruns and leave kind of unsatisfied. As I’m pulling out, I notice the Paki’s are playing cricket on another field.

    I’ve always wanted to play. I throw my truck back into park, hop out and walk up to them, my shirt stained with Jap blood.

    It just so happens they needed an extra dude.

    The Dead Rabbit does his fair share of bragging. Well, here he goes again. I swear I hit a “homerun” farther then two of their best hit balls COMBINED. I single handily won both games we played. They called them “6ers” and I hit two of them.

    I’ve been asked back to play in this league match tomorrow.

    While I’m sure those who are really good at it would make me look foolish, but, compared to fast pitch baseball, cricket might be easier. You literally stand in front of their version of the plate and protect it. Tex will know what I’m talking about, but I’ve always been at my best when “protecting” the plate in baseball. This 2 strike mindset is what Cricket is all about.

    I was told the “bowler”…pitcher….went easy on me during my first homerun….despite that, these dudes were shocked. The second one was a battle. He changed up speeds on me and I saw it coming a mile a way. The ball never hit the ground and I swung there flat ass bat American style, baby.

    Smoked it.

    I’m starting to think the Dead Rabbit needs a cape and some tights. World wide hero.

  112. I will tell you one thing, I can not get it through my head I’m supposed to run with the bat. I toss it every time. Playing cricket was always on my bucket list.

    Tonight’s heroics were performed all by a terribly sun burned Rabbit. I took little Rabbit to the beach, doused him with sun block and put none on myself. I forgot how bad this hurts.

  113. poolman – thanks for the Floyd link
    re: Pink Floyd. I remember when this album came out. It blows me away to see the band members and how old they are now. Just unbelievable. Although by my estimation this is probably the best rock n’ roll band of all time it is so weird to see the young audience so smitten by music that came out before they were born. I just don’t see how they connect with musicians that are OLDER than their parents.

    A couple of years ago I was having dinner with my stepkids and their friends (average age twenty) and they kept questioning me about what it was like to not have this music always around and grow up with it. “What did you think the first time you heard “Lucky Man?” Or “Aqualung?” Or “Nights in White Satin?” Or “Behind Blue Eyes?” Such a disconnect – they were trying to understand me and I they – and we both left the dinner table somewhat disturbed about the whole thing.

    It really shows what a renaissance was the late ‘sixties and ‘seventies – and just how bad most of what music is out there today. My roomies and I bathed in this stuff – as did everybody else at my University. We didn’t get a lot of studying done, but we sure lived and loved every day. Great times. I have kept contact with all my roommates and plan to fly my old Cessna to visit them later this fall. Who knows? Maybe we might indulge a little and then listen to some Floyd…

  114. Rabbit, wouldn’t surprise me in the least you’d be a heck of a cricket player – and the world’s biggest cricket player. I would like to try that sometime – whether it bounces or not, it is still hand eye coordination. You’d make three of most Pakis I know. I’ll bet they crapped themselves when the saw the flight of that first ball. 🙂

    I’ve got a wreck story similar to yours coming back from Cape Canaveral to Orlando about twelve years ago, trying to see a shuttle launch for the third time. Never did see it, but saw a head on between a drunk roofer and an Irish family visiting Disney World. Believe it or not, it was the Irish family at fault, because they were on the wrong side of the road. Guess they forget what country they were in 🙄 I’ll share my first attempt at emergency medicine sometime.

    Pfesser, funny you should mention 60s music. I watched an interview with none other than Grace Slick of Jefferson Airplane last night. She looked like hell and about 300lbs. You’re right about the era music – still the best genre of my lifetime.

  115. I heard that Gracie had gone through a period of stage fright of all things, and that she didn’t sing for many years.

    When she was interviewed about the ‘sixties and the supposed magical times, she just shook her head. It was extremely stressful and the songs were born of Sturm und Drang, not happy feelings.

    Tex – I got turned on to White Bird by LaFlame and his wife a couple of years ago. Apparently he lost a lawsuit over some of the material and was forbidden to perform his best stuff. Man, lots of stories in the annals (anals) of rock n’ roll…

  116. David LaFlamme, not LaFlame. Electric violin beyond compare. Maybe Alison Krauss…

    While I am on a free-association gig, know the name of one of the two girls killed at Kent State?

    Allison Krause. Note the spelling difference.

  117. Speaking of Rabbit’s …. DR, have you ever worked a volunteer fireman or EMT gig? Sounds like you’ve got the stuff for it. Your road accident story today is not the first one you’ve posted. You’ve got the balls to get involved when folks are at risk. My hat’s off to you dude!

  118. The most disgusting part of the incident was, while I was holding the bloody Jap, I started thinking if this thing lights up, I’m going to be a hero. Even worse, I think I even fantasied about my “humble” demeanor during the news interview. Yes, I’m that much of a ego maniac douche bag.

  119. To answer your question, I was a fireman for a small town in Northern California. We had a little fire truck and everything. Our little Navy base provided the service for the town. I also went to a pretty intensive ship board firefighting school.

    The only real fire I ever put out was a beach fire.

  120. Stay thirsty, my friends. 😆 I always found a mixed message with that commercial. The chicks were hot little mammas in it, though.

    About this wreck I witnessed, we’re first on the scene. Damn pickup truck rolls over several times right in front of us with me in the front seat and my sister-in-law driving. Roofing nails are all over the road and the first thing I do for some odd reason is move the ladder off the highway because this 18-wheeler is piking down the road (I’m about half awake) as it is 2:30 AM.

    Any hoo, about four or five bud bottles are laying near the truck which is on its side and the pickup bed smells like stale beer. I can’t see in the passenger side window, so I yell out “You okay?” No answer.

    I swear, like something out of a horror movie, a blood soaked hand comes quivering out of window. I start to climb up on the truck to look in and assist, and the damn truck starts to tip back toward me. Unlike Rabbit, I’m not about to have the truck fall back me to be hero, so I chicken out hero and tell the guy help is on the way. Frustrating as hell not to be able to do more than that, but I can’t get up on top of the truck to see in. All I remember is thinking the guy is going to be dead soon, and the acrid smell of burnt antifreeze. We’re standing in a dry swamp bed and I’m also thinking about what is going to come crawling out of the woods any second as we’re 20 miles from any town.

    So I run over to Irish family in this rented van and their are six pretty banged up people, but only one seriously. The damn engine is shoved in where the console used to be. But believe it or not, the worst injuries to most were from the seat belts themselves and a visor, which cut the hell out of one kid’s head. The driver I really thought may have broken his back and advised my brother-in-law that I thought we should leave him be, as we could hurt him worse if there is vertebral damage.

    So here’s the rest of the story. This teenager has wrapped his belt around his mother’s leg to act like a tourniquet – her damn foot is turning blue by this time. I look down and the laceration is so deep, the adipose from her calf is wrapped all the way to the shin – nasty looking as hell. So I tell the gal that I believe it would be better for her to allow me to try and stop the bleeding with pressure rather than cut off the blood flow to her entire lower limb. Sure enough, I remove the belt and no blood – just nasty looking fluid begins to seep. Like Rabbit, I’m praying she doesn’t have Hep C because it is all over my arm and legs.

    When the Fire Dept and medics finally show up, they have to cut the pickup driver out – all I remember seeing in the headlines is a bloody mess, but they said he would make it. They put the other driver in traction harness.

    The insurance company called about four weeks later for witness and I never did learn what the final result was. I always assumed everyone survived.

  121. Jackie Gleason always cracks me up. Thanks for that Rutherford.

    I know you guys mostly stick to the state approved media outlets. In addition to those however, I like to check out other news sources. Though I have been criticized in the past for some of biases presented from some of those links, in reality, every source has some bias. And it’s been said, “There are at least two sides to every story.” 🙂

    Anyway, I read this perspective regarding the current Pakistan/American tension and thought I would share. This is a hot situation that we created and have exacerbated over these past few decades. Now all the meddling and the abundance of lies are catching up to us. The pendulum always swings the other way after it has traveled as far as it can in one direction. That euphoria of weightlessness only lasts a few moments while in that swing.

    While you and I play political whack a mole on the front burner, this shit casserole is baking in the oven. 👿

  122. Poolman, a serious question.

    You obviously believe much of America evil and reckless, with a history of imperialism, a bullying nature, aiding and abetting God’s enemies, and abhor both America’s domestic and foreign policies. I will be the first to admit we have our faults and are far from perfect. However, I still believe America the shining light on the hill – inadequacies and all. You obviously do not.

    So why would you not do everyone a favor, you and your loved ones most of all, and move to a Muslim country where you would make a much better fit – perhaps one that hates Israel?

    Or, if that is not your preference or your wife’s preference, a place that would more meet your model social justice desires; perhaps Europe, Canada or Australia? Your continual admonishment and insidious charges against America and its policies whether true or not is positive for no one, and it would seem you would want to live out the remainder of your days in a place providing you the greatest chance of liberty and justice.

    If I were that terribly unhappy with America and its current principles and tenets, realizing there is absolutely no chance that it could ever bend to my preferences, I believe I would renounce my citizenship and move once myself elsewhere once approved.

    Would it not be better for everyone involved if you were to relocate out of country and be done with America?

  123. “Would it not be better for everyone involved if you were to relocate out of country and be done with America?”

    Kind of reminds one of the “Love it or leave it!” stuff from the Vietnam War era.

    Of course the easy rejoinder is, “Change it or lose it.”

  124. Tex, that sounded awful. I can’t take seeing the kids hurt.

    I was messed up for a week when I saw that toddler get run over…..and he ended up being fine!

  125. Well Pfesser, in a sense that is what I’m telling Poolman without demanding it.

    Ever since the Poolman walked in here, he’s never show a bit of country loyalty or love, never had a nice thing to say about our birthright, all of us are being manipulated by rich, powerful Jews and thieves, he has made the most insidious criminal innuendo against politicians and the military, etc…

    Now I know damn well the people here see through that – I understand that much and have never felt the need to convince any of you guys otherwise, because I recognize for the most part, intelligent, reasonable people with different politic post here. But…

    As you have to be aware by now, I am the last person on earth believing in big government. But I surely don’t think any of them, including Obama or Bush or Carter or Reagan, are purposely trying to destroy America like Poolman does. I believe Obama is trying to make an America in his own utopian image which I damn sure don’t approve, but I never for a minute question the man would sell us out to anybody either.

    If I did, I damn sure would do something about before waiting for the next vote. It would be my responsibility as a loyal citizen to demand his immediate removal.

  126. “If I did, I damn sure would do something about before waiting for the next vote. It would be my responsibility as a loyal citizen to demand his immediate removal.”-Tex

    Exactly.

    The fact that Poolman hasn’t joined a terrorist group or some other wing of military resistance makes him a HUGE PUSSY.

    Can you imagine thinking the United States government teamed up with Mossad and attacked New York only to do nothing about but post a few links?

    Way to push the envelope, Poolman.

    If some shit ever went down as devious and dastardly as your plethora of accusations, remind me not even ask you if you want to kick some ass.

  127. If Poolman wants a real conspiracy with a shred of truth D.R., here’s what he ought to be beating the drums about.

    I hope this post pisses everybody that has ever posted on this board off that asses didn’t fry on the gallows in 2008.

    “If America falls, it will not be from external enemies. It will be by her own hand. That is the inescapable conclusion one carries away from a reading of Reckless Endangerment, an account of the ferocious financial crisis that exploded in 2008 and through which, to this very day, the United States is still struggling to find safe and solid ground. . . . Any person with a regard for the United States, or with some surviving faith in the virtues of representative democracy, will finish this book severely angry. It’s a good game to play, should you start to read it, to keep count of the number of times you lay the book down in exasperated wonder that the American system could have been so twisted, so abused and so turned against itself.”

    Plus this:
    If there is ever a Mount Rushmore for hypocrites, the face of Democratic Congressman Barney Frank -Fannie Mae’s friend in every sordid scrape (until nothing could be hidden anymore) -should be the first to go up. It was the complaisance and complicity of elected politicians like him that enabled Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to achieve the power they did, to violate so utterly their own charters, to defy and slander their regulators (they set rumours afloat that one honest overseer was having “mental problems”) as long as the mortgage giants tossed funds into their political kitties, gave them ribbon cutting ceremonies for “minority housing,” and greased their re-election efforts.

    The real story of Reckless Endangerment is more a story of democracy corrupted than it is a story of financial fraud. It is a story of America’s great wounding of herself. And even now, with this book, the full account is not nearly as known as it should be; and as the authors so sadly point out, nearly every one of the principals who brought such misery and shame upon their countrymen are free, prosperous, in many cases highly honoured and “serving” still at the highest levels of political and financial power.

    http://www.nationalpost.com/news/Destroying+itself+from+within/5111564/story.html

    Everyone of these mofos should be in a state prison right now with Bernie Madoff. But that would never happen, because that might implicate some Dimocratic politicians in the mix. 😡

  128. I believe Obama is trying to make an America in his own utopian image which I damn sure don’t approve, but I never for a minute question the man would sell us out to anybody either.

    Wow, pinch me. I MUST be dreaming. 🙂

  129. In this day and age, there is no getting away from America. Moving to another country would not “save” anyone from what we, as a nation, have and continue to do.

    I do not think anything happens without a reason. I was born into this country at this time in history for a specific purpose. Unless the Holy Spirit directs me to relocate to SA or anywhere else on this globe, I’ll be here as long as I have breath and God wills it.

    I know you perceive that I have a hatred for this country and certain peoples that inhabit the planet, but that is a product of your own imaginings. It is really quite the opposite. If my criticism bothers you, it is because you fear I may be right. Otherwise, it would not get under your skin. My Psychology 101 class I took many years ago at least taught me that much.

    I am secure with who I am, and I am willing to defend my beliefs unto death. If you believe we are in the last days, that is a real possibility for anyone of the true faith. My conscience is clear. God can spend me whenever and wherever He chooses.

    If you feel our paths have crossed by mere coincidence, then you subscribe to a different faith than I. My understanding is that all things work together for good for those who love the Lord and are called according to His purpose. Remember, it was you who first came into M&H’s parlor, the cyber-community I was part of. Otherwise, it wouldn’t be me that God sent to be a burr under your britches. He has plenty of other burrs at His disposal. And after this much time, I actually like you. Strange enough?

    Since I begin everyday asking for guidance in my walk, communication, and relationships, I know He is with me wherever I go, whether physically or virtually. I pray for wisdom and understanding daily, and He does teach me from my daily life situations in addition to revealing things through His word. Since this entire journey is about relationships, I prefer to be keep all mine in line.

    But make no mistake, if I see injustice and deception, I will do my best in everyway I know to expose it. I certainly don’t know all the answers and many times I am wrong, but I am willing to risk that embarrassment and my pride because I couldn’t live with myself if I could help anyone avoid disaster and did absolutely nothing to prevent it. I really don’t care if you think I’m looney tunes or an idiot or whatever. It doesn’t matter. That is your issue to deal with. You can categorize and criticize any and everything in your life, your choice – your conscience.

  130. I certainly don’t have a heroic car crash story to share but I will share the oddest thing I ever saw.

    I actually saw an abandoned car get hit by a train on a railroad track. This is what is amazing about it. I always imagined if something like that ever happened, the train would derail and there would be a terrible gnashing of metal etc.

    You know what actually happened? The damn train knocked the car off the track like a tin can. I heard a loud ping, train went on its merry way and the car was no longer on the track. Maybe it was just a lucky case of physics and everything being in the right place at the right time, but I was definitely not expecting such low drama. I don’t remember exactly how the car was positioned …. could be that only its front or back was on the track as opposed to the entire car.

  131. But that would never happen, because that might implicate some Dimocratic politicians in the mix. 😡

    Pure nonsense….or at least 50% nonsense. ALL the politicians are bought and sold. This is not purely a Democratic problem. I don’t argue with your disgust for Barney Frank as I have read in more than one place his love affair with Fannie. But sorry dudes, if you think the GOPhers fought nobly to keep Wall Street under control or prevent a wild unsustainable housing bubble from growing and then bursting, then you’re smoking dope.

  132. Before I go to bed I’d love a prediction from The Board. Do you gentlemen and occasional ladies think the Rupert Murdoch clusterf*ck will cross the pond and effect his dealings here? Apparently the FBI is investigating if Rupert’s goons tapped into 9/11 victim’s phone calls.

    Doesn’t it just give you a nice warm fuzzy feeling for Fox News? 😐

  133. The fact that Poolman hasn’t joined a terrorist group or some other wing of military resistance makes him a HUGE PUSSY

    I’m not the Rambo type, rabbit. You seem more apt to play that role. I can’t find anything in my rulebook that can justify it. Maybe if you quote me chapter and verse.

    It has been said the pen is mightier than the sword. Of couse we didn’t have WMD’s back then, so maybe it no longer applies. Somewhere it says violence begets violence and those who live by the sword, die by the sword. I actually believe that as true. I don’t put my faith in those things. They don’t offer me any security. Folks “clinging to their guns and Bibles” always cracked me up, as if the God of the universe needs a backup. I

    Remember the POTUS has authority to assassinate whomever he determines a threat or a “terrorist”. If what I have revealed here is true, I could be considered a threat. If it is all crazy made up shit like you all want to believe, then I am no a threat to anyone. Time will certainly tell.

  134. Rupert Murdoch is a scumbag and always has been. Anybody with that much family dysfunction is about all you need to know. That goes for Obama too. 😉

    That in no way implicates FOX News or the WSJ from not being top notch organizations. Ted Turner is a scumbag, yet believe it or not, he directed and produced some of the most wonderful biblical films ever created.

    This may shock you “R”, but my God is so incredibly powerful, he can even use pure evil to produce real beauty, malevolence to produce justice, and evil for good. 😉 That’s something you skeptics never understand.

  135. Pure nonsense….or at least 50% nonsense. ALL the politicians are bought and sold. This is not purely a Democratic problem. I don’t argue with your disgust for Barney Frank as I have read in more than one place his love affair with Fannie. But sorry dudes, if you think the GOPhers fought nobly to keep Wall Street under control or prevent a wild unsustainable housing bubble from growing and then bursting, then you’re smoking dope.

    Oh, I never said there weren’t Republicans that shouldn’t join Bernie Madoff in prison. But you’re a poor liar if you don’t realize that my one example implicates Dimocrats far more than Republicans with respect to Fannie and Freddie. Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, and at least two of Obama’s biggest contributors and advisers direct from Fannie Mae were corrupt to the core.

    You just can not bring yourself to admit “R”, no matter all of our opinions of Obama, he has surrounded himself throughout his life and received advice from the absolute most corrupt people in America – including but not limited to George Soros. Virtually every person of the formative years of Obama’s life were communistic in some fashion, as example.

  136. Rupert Murdock. Another on my prayer list. He holds plenty of power and influence. He sees his empire crumbling and has been proactive to make public apologies before the rest of the dominoes fall. He is such a mighty player on the side of Zionism, I predict he will not suffer much.

    But watch carefully those who are investigating his dealings to see how many survive politically and physically and see how far they get with it. I know there are some in government trying to right things, but so far they are out-numbered. I am certain he knew and authorized all the practices his “journalists” employed to ascertain information from these victims, even though he claims he knew nothing.

    You don’t get to that position of power and influence without controlling every underling in your organization. Doesn’t happen, not in the real world.

  137. Poolman, are you so deluded and debased that you’re going to use Romans 8:28 as justification for your obvious personal shortcomings? 😀

    So you think our paths crossed for God to use you as influence in my life, hey? Well, maybe so. He may well indeed provided you as warning:

    Of what not to be Tex. 😉 Or perhaps it was meant just the opposite of how you perceive it to be Mr. Poolman? Now don’t get me wrong – I”m as far from perfection as one gets, as I was reminded of as recently as last Sunday in a sermon – that is, my heart ain’t where it should be. As Tex was reminded, you can mouth all the right words, follow the letter of the law to the best of your abilities, but if it’s your head directing and not your heart, of which I admit I failed epically in its entirety again this week. But…

    …I’m sorry Poolman, I find your flavor of worship an absolute embarrassment to my faith. I have neither the position or authority to judge your standing. However, I certainly have the ability to discern you have a very difficult time distinguishing good from evil and are terribly blind.

    If you need an example, there is absolutely nothing good that comes from Chatty Kitchen you attend to lick your wounds upon leaving here.

  138. Well Tex, since you can’t read what everyone says in “Chatty Kitchen”, once again the words of my father…

    “That must be your ass talking because your mouth knows better.”

    We have shared plenty of personal stuff there and without fear of criticism. Besides, who made you judge? I’ll leave that to others more qualified.

    The sermon I attended tonight was very good and apropos. But then, they always seem to be just what the doctor ordered. You really don’t know my flavor of worship, Tex. Admit it. You’re still trying to get a handle on it. Thing is, I don’t think it has a handle. Only a cross. And just as you know not where the wind comes from or goes, so too those of the Spirit. Actually, from your past post, I think God is waking your spirit. It’s all good.

  139. “You don’t get to that position of power and influence without controlling every underling in your organization. Not in the real world”-poolman

    Man is so omnipotent to you. Are you sure you don’t worship the flesh of man?

    There is never any room for STUPID in your paradigm.

    I find STUPID to be one of the main actors of human history.

  140. Poolman. I am continually reminded of my own shortcomings. Last Sunday was not some unique event, but a personal epiphany of I’m not where I need to be. It happens less frequently than it used to, but it still happens. And I expect that will continue to happen until my dying day.

    That is how God works in anybody seeking wisdom or needing guidance – or even a friend or helping hand. I’ve realized that since I was a young man that in the Age of Grace, God works in small, quiet voices – not earth shattering miracles. The miracle is the physical manifestation of our beautiful tuned earth and universe. All those things we take for granted, because we are surrounded by it, each and every minute, – that is the miracle; the fact we are even here.

    And I think that is what gets to the heart of why intelligent men like Rutherford, Huck and Pfesser can not believe and will not believe in Christ and who He really was, because bumbling fools, whether they be neighborhood soap box chumps or Crystal Cathedrals claiming to be devout followers make promises they can neither keep, do nor prove. Because these men I mentioned and millions like them have spent a lifetime of hearing pure sophistry and rank pandering from idolatrous idiots promising “miracles” – when they have neither the power or the authority of anything but their own delusions.

    When we can perform miracles, believe me – we’ll know it. Because the message won’t come from our own minds but directly from the Mind of God. And you’ll be on your knees trying to bury your head in the sand from the recognition your not one bit worthy to tie his sandals and nothing but dust without Him.

    Too many Christians limit God’s works because they believe they can “understand” God. God doesn’t simply work in the realm of an individual gang – He moves nations at a whim. And He is doing it right now.

    ——–

    No, it is not all good Poolman. You are only lying to yourself, because the rest of us aren’t buying your defense, and you’re certainly not fooling me with the use of scripture twisting.

    And I don’t even think Rutherford will defend you this time, your charges crosses party lines – it goes to the very heart of Constitutional government. Your accusations are against the entire state, not political party.

    Rabbit is absolutely right about you being a coward Poolman. You slander America and its leaders about their ill intent, and speak here as if you have some divine, granted authority to do so. If what you say is true, it is both your Christian duty and duty as citizen to to confront those insidious charges you make.

    You do nothing of the sort but mouth platitudes on small blogs.

  141. See Poolman,

    This is exactly what I am talking about. You seek out blogs that distort truth, twisting and bending to what you want reality to be.

    How dumb are we supposed to be to believe your garbage, when to the very left of the title, it lists “friends” – and this is only partial list?

    The Agonist
    Media Matters
    AmericaBlog
    Atrios
    Bérubé
    Daily Kos
    Booman Tribune
    Juan Cole
    Joe Conason
    Counterpunch
    Crooked Timber….on and on from the most vile of the FOX haters and conspirators. Utter and complete rank bullshit Poolman.

    Fox News is no more relevant of going into the Iraq War than the New York Times or Washington Post. Each editorial staff may provide opinions pro or con, but Congress determines if we went to war. And they voted for it, including 109 Dimocratic Congressman. Put a sock in it.

    I get so tired of you and your ignorant Chatty Cathy Kitchen minions vomiting the rhetorical talking points of your wicked masters, without any of you having a clue you’re too dumb to know you’re being used. Truth is neither relevant or necessary to you dopes.

  142. Case in point. I provide USGS factual data that anyone can search and verify, yet no one accepts or comments on it. Some of you have much more formal education than I do, yet it has served to close your minds rather than increase your understanding. This is really big news. But you’d rather badmouth politicos, like they even matter compared to this shit.

    But okay, I’ll be the token coward in your ongoing fantasy. Apparently someone has to be. So, in the effort to keep you comfortably numb, I”ll play the scaredy-cat. You guys go on thinking you’re defending the great American Dream against the jihadists.

  143. Congress determines if we went to war. And they voted for it,

    Yeah they voted on it. Based on the LIES they were told by these people. Lies, I might add, that you STILL believe. You have to sell the concept of war, dip. No one votes for it without believing it is the only option left.

    Just keep traveling that path, Balaam. Your ass is still talking.

  144. Rutherford –

    I used to work in the mines and of course everything was hauled by diesel locomotive.

    Average weight of auto? Maybe one ton min to three or so. My diesel truck was 3-1/2 tons.

    Average weight of train? Well, the locomotives alone average 130 tons, each of about 100 cars weighs minimum in 100 tons in payload alone, so that’s 10,000 tons in payload…hmmm….yep, knocked it like a tin can. I can see that.

    That’s why I laughed my ass off at the train wreck in “Super Eight” earlier this summer.

  145. poolman –

    full disclosure – I am about the most Zionist fellow you will ever meet and have been named “Honorary Jew” by several of my Jewish associates.

    Having said that, and I am NOT trying to pick a fight, what is it that led you to your opinion re: Zionism? What have I been missing?

  146. Good Morning, pfesser.

    I know a lot of Jews that are anti-Zionist.

    I would want to know what YOU perceive it means or denotes. Most on this board associate anti-Zionism as being equivalent to antisemitism. It is not. Zion, as described in the Bible was a place on earth where God’s people could rule and the people could freely worship Him. It’s “physical” location was Jerusalem, sometimes describing a mountain, sometimes considered the entire land where the Israelites lived. The NT refers to the “Daughter of Zion”, and “Mount Zion”, both denoting spiritual rather than physical things

    The modern usage and coining of Zionism was derived in the late 1800’s.

  147. Poolman not only has problems with reality Pfesser. He also has problems with truth telling, or perhaps he is so deluded he has to wipe the memory banks – 640K’s worth – to forget past accusations on this very board.

    Poolman gives you the dance about ‘Daughters of Zion’, but his beef goes way beyond his opinions of Israel, Jerusalem and Zionism. Mr. Poolman has also accused secular American Jews, aka neocons, with such nefarious measures such as facilitating 9/11, and American Imperialism in Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan, and Syria – and most always in conjunction with the Mossad, of course. 🙄

    Mr. Poolman reads very much like a disciple of one Lyndon LaRouche, perhaps helping to explain why its difficult for me to take him very seriously.

  148. First of all, my accuser has difficulty with his own understanding of reality and therefore is in no position to judge others regarding theirs. That is my opinion based on this past year of mostly one-sided debate.

    Second point… Zionist Jews ARE secular. Neocons fall under many ethnicities, not merely Jews.

    Thirdly, he will continually discredit the messenger and ignore the message. He claims to have knowledge of the sciences including geology and chemistry, yet dismisses real data that contradicts his own tired narrative.

    Pfesser, I know from our debates in the past, you consider what is presented and through logical means, weigh the evidence before passing judgement. Notice how our debate has been hijacked so as to not allow you to give my comment consideration.

    Lyndon LaRouche has been brought up several times on this very board. Because of that, I now know more about him and his published beliefs. I won’t pass judgment on him, but I’m also familiar with how history has shown the way popular cultures treat many of their prophets and some their most brilliant minds.

    Of course, I did not state that I agree with all his accusations and conclusions, but I’m sure we’ll continue to lumped in the same category. 🙄

    Now, I guess I’m off to the “Chatty Kitchen” to lick my wounds. 😆

  149. That goes for Obama too. 😉

    I guess you have to help me with that one. Where is the dysfunction? Any links about Malia and Sasha being in trouble with the law or being on drugs etc.? Any links on Michelle having a drinking problem (RIP Betty Ford)? I don’t even see obesity in the family.

    So help me Tex …. where’s the dysfunction? I hope you’re not going back to Obama’s Daddy being a philandering atheist because that has nothing to do with Obama and his immediate family. Educate me my friend.

  150. How about Obama’s hippie, commie, dysfunctional mommy who abandoned him, childhood mentor commie Frank Marshall Davis, racist, socialist grandmother who raised him, communist pals Bill Ayers and Bill’s lovely bomb making wife Bernadine, blah blah blah? You call that idyllic childhood? I said formative years of Obama. Brush up on your reading schools while at the Hampton buffet.

    But now that you’ve mentioned Obama’s kids: 😈

    If Obama’s kids are like their hypocritical, lying mother, gawd help them. You see the “Vegan” stuffing the 1,600 calorie lunch into her gaping bozo mouth the other day? Do as I say and not as I do, hey Shelly?

    And have you take a look at that onion booty on Shelly? Hippo hips. :twisetd: What do you mean obesity doesn’t run in the family? Woman’s ass if three axe handle’s wide. Shelly Chowhound needs to follow her own advice and keep planting cabbage over septic tank and graze.

  151. and speak here as if you have some divine, granted authority to do so.

    I’m not sure I’d go that far regarding Poolman. There are three kinds of people as I see it. The first believes everything their government tells them. The second has a healthy dose of skepticism (I really do like to think I fall in that category). The third believes that there is a hidden agenda behind everything and that we are lied to more often than we are told the truth. I perceive that Poolman belongs in the third category.

    I don’t conflate his religious beliefs with his conspiracy beliefs even though one might argue that the former should have a more a more positive influence on the latter, C’est la vie.

  152. What the hell is the purpose of #202? That read like a Monty Python skit. Geology? I think you mean engineering bozo.

    Now, I guess I’m off to the “Chatty Kitchen” to lick my wounds

    Tell them I said hi, and stop by A T & T while heading to make an installment on the overdue phone bill. You never did tell me your credit score Sherlock. 😀

    You may have the only zero digit in America. Might use you in a commercial. One of those masked men with three 0’s across the chess. Someone might mistake you for a tic-tac-toe board with that damn permanent XXX stenciled across your head

  153. Now getting back to Rupert for a minute … I’ve heard that Murdoch basically had most of Parliament blackmailed. If they took action against him, he would publish stuff they didn’t want published. It was extortion on a grand scale. Unfortunately the cell phone hacking was simply too far beyond the pale for even Rupert’s blackmail machine to keep under wraps.

    Like I said earlier, I can’t wait to see how this plays out in America.

    As for Poolman adding Rupert to his prayer list … Poolman IF you really believe God is listening, don’t waste your time wishing well for scum. Try adding the poor parents of that dead Hasidic boy to your prayer list. I was out with my daughter today and I quizzed her again (as I’ve done a few times in the past) “if a stranger asks you to help find his dog what do you do?” I then asked her “what if he is crying when he asks you?” She got both answers right. I just hope if it ever happens she will remember.

  154. I oppose the death penalty on principle but I’ve got to tell you, I want the man that killed that kid dead TODAY. If I were a praying man, I’d pray that the justice system doesn’t somehow let him slip through the cracks. 👿

  155. The third believes that there is a hidden agenda behind everything and that we are lied to more often than we are told the truth. I perceive that Poolman belongs in the third category.

    No, no. You forgot the fourth category – absolute nuts, clinically insane, paranoid and delusional, and One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest. Poolman stands guard at the door with the filthy lithium cap on.

  156. .yep, knocked it like a tin can. I can see that.

    Thanks Pfesser. I was afraid none of you would believe me because if I hadn’t seen it with my own eyes, I would not have believed me.

  157. Rutherford, I can’t believe an educated man like you wouldn’t be embarrassed to have some of the links the Goober Nut Poolman posts too on your own blog.

    Stormfront, rabid Jew hating sites, Lyndon LaRouche propaganda, even Troofer material? 😐 Man, we’re talking a hair’s width from Nazism and Aryan Brotherhood stuff along with Heaven’s Gate dogma.

    Disappointing you would never find the time to challenge that bigoted horseshit on principle alone.

  158. I oppose the death penalty on principle but I’ve got to tell you, I want the man that killed that kid dead TODAY. If I were a praying man, I’d pray that the justice system doesn’t somehow let him slip through the cracks.

    Why? That anymore egregious than bounding your two-year old baby with duct tape and bag and throwing her in a Florida swamp to decompose? You apparently had no problem with Casey shopping this free afternoon with smug smile.

    As far as I’m concerned, unless vigilantism becomes routine, I doubt we’ll see justice in that case either.

  159. Tex, I never said I endorse Poolman’s sources … and in fact, on request of a reader, had to edit one link out some months ago. All I was saying is I don’t believe he thinks he speaks on authority from God which is what I thought you said.

  160. Well Tex, I’m really not sure where you got the idea I was a Casey Anthony fan. You and I just differ about whom to be pissed at. I’m pissed at the prosecution. You’re pissed at the jury.

    And honestly, my better self wants the scumbag boy killer put on trial. That is the American way. But I’d be lying if I said I would be upset if a police officer “accidentally” put a bullet through his head … or left him alone with his belt and shoelaces. 👿

  161. As a follow up point … the problem my friends is sometimes the wrong damn guy gets arrested for the crime. That’s why vigilante justice is wrong. People have to stand trial and be proven guilty.

  162. Rutherford,

    I do a lot of work in backyards, so I am use to avoiding stepping in any dog piles. True, sometimes the dog comes up and slobbers all over me, but as gross as that is, I consider that as just part of the territory.

    So please excuse me as I step through the minefield and try to address your comments.

    I do think that third category best describes me at this point in time. My faith colors everything I do. It also leads me in truth, so it is apropos that I am considered a “truther”, descriptive of one who does not believe the official narrative given for the events of 9/11.

    My faith requires me, among other things, to pray for our leaders, those who persecute me, and for my enemies. Many on my daily list are categorized as “people of influence,” of which Murdock is a part.

    AFA that young boy is concerned, I did pray for his family, his community, and his suspected murderer. Now that they have been introduced into my thoughts again, I will bring them before God. It is difficult to know what to pray for in such an instance, so words generally don’t it justice. I pray more-so in the spirit in those circumstances.

    I did ask that there would be a blessing and turning of hearts toward God as a result of that tragedy. Sometimes it takes these horrendous events to turn our hearts toward our creator. I did not add them to my daily list. It could be selfishness on my part, but really my list has gotten quite extensive over time. Few ever get taken off the list, excepting those I have put there needing healing and/or deliverance that have either been healed or delivered or others that have since died.

  163. “As far as I’m concerned, unless vigilantism becomes routine, I doubt we’ll see justice in that case either.”

    Except Kaylee Anthony wasn’t found in Casey’s freezer.

    Kinda hard to establish reasonable doubt in that scenario, wouldn’t you agree?

    “Man, we’re talking a hair’s width from Nazism and Aryan Brotherhood stuff along with Heaven’s Gate dogma.”

    No kidding. All that hate might get in the way of the near constant Islamaphobia that goes on here.

  164. Huck you make a good point about the killing of the Brooklyn boy not being comparable to Kaylee Anthony at least on the known facts.

    As for your comment about Islamaphobia … as this hotel living is beginning to drive me mad I needed that chuckle!! Many thanks. 😆

  165. “AFA that young boy is concerned, I did pray for his family, his community, and his suspected murderer. Now that they have been introduced into my thoughts again, I will bring them before God. It is difficult to know what to pray for in such an instance, so words generally don’t it justice. I pray more-so in the spirit in those circumstances.”

    God, does anybody remember the guy who went into the Amish school and killed all those kids? Their parents reached out to the parents of the shooter and were SO kind to them. I think they asked them to come to the children’s funerals. Think about that for a minute.

    I have SO much respect for those people. As the youngest son of the youngest son, my grandparents were born in the 1860’s and growing up in rural West Virginia I got a lot of the “old-time” way of doing business. We put up hay with a horse and built haystacks, had chickens, pigs (“Don’t name the pig, Jim; we’re going to eat him.”) So my life was in many ways like that of the Amish – minus the religion of course.

    When I retire my wife wants to move to Holmes County, Ohio, and do family practice for the Amish. They have no insurance, may pay with a dozen eggs or a side of beef, but they don’t sue, either. “It’s God’s will” they say when something goes wrong.

    Talk about a place to learn how to be the right kind of man (or woman)! I sure wish I had raised my kids there.

  166. poolman –

    Clearly you have researched the Jewish/Arab question and I guess you know more about the situation than I do. My position is not that well thought-out I guess, but here has been my experience.

    It seems to me that the Jews are the most prolific innovators, inventors, thinkers – and I like that. There are probably a sum total of three Jews on welfare in the entire US. I see them as producers and hard workers.

    I know this is simplistic thinking, and I probably should not conflate “Arab” with “Islamist” but I see the Arabs as the opposite of the Jews. They have, through Islam, taken the opposite approach to life for hundreds of years: religion rules everything and it doesn’t bother them (to my eye at least) that they have made basically NO progress in those hundreds of years – just as long as Allah is pleased. Their treatment of women is beyond reprehensible. The list of their patents is scant, the Jews’ would fill volumes. The Islamists I see as a dead drag on the world, and unfortunately also a serious threat – they are not only extremely violent and don’t distinguish between legitimate combatants and civilians, they are out-breeding everyone else on a massive scale. (Try a little math problem: take a family with average of two kids and project it for ten generations. Then do one with six. It will scare you; it does me.)

    My personal experience with Jews has been not so good sometimes. Some I find obnoxious and pushy, just like the stereotype, but also some I have found to be just lovely people. OTOH I have *never* interacted with an Arab that I did not eventually have serious trouble. Probably that is just my personality; I don’t know, but I can only go on my own experience.

  167. Of course! The U.N. ball sucking Dhimmi reincarnate! 😈 Silence! The R.L. Head Dhimmi has spoken!

    Kill 3,000 of our citizens? No big deal – we had it coming. Dance in the streets of Palestine and hand out candy. Suicide bomb the U.S.S. Cole? Ah, a case of mistaken identify. Khobar Towers? So what? Just a bunch of Africans. Scream Allahu Akbar and shoot 13 soldiers at Ft. Hood? Justified because of our gross transgressions. Why I can’t imagine why don’t invite Hamas and Hezbollah over for a Presidential dinner and you let them board up and fuck your wife.

    Believe justice wasn’t served when a two year old girl goes missing found decomposed in a swamp and the mother never bothers to call police, steals money from mom and pop to party for 31 days, has a car that reeks of death, and abandons it! Reasonable doubt! Heresy! Heresy!

    Welcome to Dhimmitude Professor. You’re going to fit right in with Poolman’s world and Southern California.

    Where’s Ward Churchill and his Little Eichmann’s or we need another comment about needing a million Somalias when you need it, Hey Huck? 🙂

    Right On Brother! Let’s dance the Hajj…

  168. Pfesser,

    My research into the “Jewish/Arab question” has only been serious over the past year or so. I have always known of the tension between them that goes back to biblical stories of their origin, but only recently have tried to dig deeper into the real life circumstances and motivation that create that tension.

    There is so much history there that it is hard to decipher fact from fiction. It really breaks down in a lot of ways like a family feud.

    Much of how you describe your perception of the Jews is identical to my own notions. I have had better relations with Arabs than you apparently, but my Italian heritage and outdoor job makes me appear less white and therefore, in some cases, less threatening. From their perspective I’m certain they must be wary of Americans and Jews, given the past decade of world events. I have found the Arabs I’ve met to be more emotional than analytical. The opposite is true concerning the Jews I’ve met.

    And yes, I feel the top of the heap is greatly populated by those of Jewish decent. Both groups, when fanatic religiously, have a history of treating women and outsiders poorly at best. But like any other race or culture, there are both good and evil sprinkled throughout.

    AFA procreating, the past norms were much different than they are today. American families were very big at the turn of the previous century. Farming families needed those extra hands. Both Mormons and Catholics are also known to have raised numerous kids. In many cultures, children (primarily male) are still considered a great blessing and a sign of a successful family.

    Much of our perception of what Jews and Arabs are like has been influenced by the media and publications. As you noted, most of the scholars will likely be Jews more-so than Arabs. Likely there will also be a slant to those sources. It is human nature to make ourselves look better than others.

    For a Jew’s perspective regarding current Jewish/Arab relations, I trust much of what this musician/author/activist has to say. He is controversial, but brutally honest. I can respect that, especially in today’s PC world. Here is his latest regarding Israeli legislation:

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/07/16/gilad-atzmon-the-herem-law-in-the-context-of-jewish-past-and-present/

  169. But Puddles, being Jews make up .2% of the world’s entire population, and 1.68% of the American population, they apparently do quite well for themselves.

    For instance, as example to Phoenix’s resident Village Idiot Assistant and Professor Dhimmi Huck Ki-Moon, perhaps they’ve noted that for every 100 Muslims alive, there is 1 but one Jew.

    I guess the first question I might pose in return is “why ain’t Allah and fairest prophet Mohammad fairing any better in ridding us of the “pigs and monkeys?”

    Allahu Akbar…

  170. Look Poolman/Puddles/Grand Wizard/VIA, there are only so many ways that I can call you useful idiot and tool. If the sin of stealing escaped you, I’m kind of doubting you’re going to understand something complex like 4,000 years of history, predetermined bias and links, or not. 😉

    So, why don’t you join up with Professor Emeritus U.N Huck Ki-Moon, Mahmoud, the Taliban, Ayman al-Zawahri, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Bashar al-Assad, about a million screaming jihadis on magic carpets, and the the rest of U.N. human rights commision in exterminating the infidels while you got the chance?

  171. Since we all derived from the same original parents, if you subscribe to the Adam and Eve account, just when did the genetics jump ship?

    Ever since sex was invented, genetics kind of “grew” from there. At some point, you have no clue who your great-great-great-great-grandfather was or where all his genetics ended up.

    There are supposedly 10(?) “lost” Jewish tribes, bub. They could be your relatives, too.

  172. When did genetics jump ship? Oh, I don’t know. How about Cain? Is that your idea of a trick question? 😆 😆 I swear, I swore off of you, but you’re like a bulls eye with a sign in the middle that says kick me.

    Speaking of answering questions, you didn’t answer my citizenry question last night. Now is that a two-step, samba, or in your case yippity yip Howdy Doody?

    So Howdy, getting back to the brilliance of your questioning, quid pro quo remember?, do you think genetics plays the entire summation of intellect?

    If so, why aren’t you say like Albert Einstein and instead like Cher?

    In fact, if you had any sense, that’s a rhetorical statement by the way, you might realize that you have just contradicted your own leading question, and in fact, reinforced my very own conclusions. That is, those calling themselves Jewish are indeed special, not because of simple inheritance, but because of what they represent and the fulfillment of a covenant thousands of years ago. As Rutherford and I like to tease, if it was simple genetics, the shortest book in the world wouldn’t be “Great Jewish Athletes.”

    Once again, let’s revert back to Theology 101 – Judaism is not a race; it’s a faith Poolman. Remember?

    Don’t worry, I’ll explain it to you someday.

  173. The Veterans Today article about herem reminded me a lot of fatwa. I know they’re not the same but conceptually they seem very similar. Punish anyone who speaks out against the establishment.

  174. The Fed is the problem. How many dominoes have to fall?

    Is Greece simply a case of a country full of lazy people who spent beyond their means and are now paying for their own decadence? Or, is there something much larger at stake – and at play – here? Greece is, in fact, a microcosm of the global economy: mired in excessive debt, economically ruined, increasingly politically repressive and socially explosive. This report takes a look at the case of the Greek debt crisis specifically, and places it within a wider global context. The conclusion is clear: what happens in Greece will happen here.

    http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=25648

  175. Except Kaylee Anthony wasn’t found in Casey’s freezer.

    Kinda hard to establish reasonable doubt in that scenario, wouldn’t you agree?

    Do you have video proof? Do you have a personal confession? Then we might as well find the accused not guilty now, shouldn’t we. Did you find a murder weapon? Do you know for sure the intent? Was it premeditated? Maybe if he has just left the kid in the trash can instead of the freezer…

    Perhaps a neighbor planted it Professor Dhimmi Ki-Moon? Maybe it was his pedophile brother, who abused him as child. Maybe it was a long last baby sitter. Maybe the kid “locked himself in the freezer” and while retrieving hamburger meat, somebody shut the door and cut his head off…maybe, maybe…maybe.

    Where are those defense lawyers? Remember, there’s always the need for beyond a shadow of a doubt reasonable doubt? Right? Isn’t that what you told me a couple of weeks ago?

    By the way Huck, in you and the rest of your defense here, overwhelming circumstantial evidence has been used thousands of times to convict as 1st degree murder. Since you’re a resident Cali Huck, perhaps you’ve forgotten about a verdict that had far less circumstantial evidence than the Anthony case, and still was found guilty by a jury?

    Scott Peterson ring any bells?

  176. Comment 220 from Pfesser basically summarizes to: we all have our prejudices. The notion that there are 3 Jews on welfare and Arabs are a drag on the economy is of course equally preposterous. Tell the Arab cab driver who is afraid that the next fare he picks up will try to rob him or worse, that he’s not a hard working American. Convenience stores and hotels all over the country run by either Muslims or Hindi’s disprove this notion that they don’t have a work ethic.

    I don’t know how many Jews are on welfare but welfare isn’t just for the lazy. Welfare is also for the desperate and if you don’t think Jews have just as much chance to be desperate in this economy as anyone else, well I think you’re fooling yourself.

    The real truth is all these generalizations we trade in fall apart as we meet and get to know individuals.

  177. Tex, mellow out, maaan.

    Chill.

    If you believe Judaism, Jews, Zionists, and Semites all the same, that’s where you need to start to redefine who it is you are defending. Is it the Judaic faith? The secular nation? The genetics or race?

    You’re really getting all amped up over semantics.

    Point me to the comment number for the citizenry question I side stepped.

  178. Tex –

    “Kill 3,000 of our citizens? No big deal – we had it coming. Dance in the streets of Palestine and hand out candy. Suicide bomb the U.S.S. Cole? Ah, a case of mistaken identify. Khobar Towers? So what? Just a bunch of Africans. Scream Allahu Akbar and shoot 13 soldiers at Ft. Hood? Justified because of our gross transgressions. Why I can’t imagine why don’t invite Hamas and Hezbollah over for a Presidential dinner and you let them board up and fuck your wife.

    Believe justice wasn’t served when a two year old girl goes missing found decomposed in a swamp and the mother never bothers to call police, steals money from mom and pop to party for 31 days, has a car that reeks of death, and abandons it! Reasonable doubt! Heresy! Heresy!

    Welcome to Dhimmitude Professor. You’re going to fit right in with Poolman’s world and Southern California.”

    What the fuck is wrong with you, man? People try to have a decent conversation with you and you just jump right in and shit the bed. I have never seen another individual with such a level of undefined, random, seething anger – about everything! Anything! Completely unfocused – mad at everyone, mad at yourself, mad at life. What the hell is your problem? Are you having problems at home? Problems with your wife? Kids? Money problems?

    I don’t often use names, but you, sir, are a complete, total bigot. And that, unlike what most people believe, has nothing to do with race. It is someone completely uninterested in anything except forcing his own opinion on EVERYONE else – someone who doesn’t give a shit what Anybody has to say – except himself. I repeat, what the fuck is wrong with you?

  179. Sorry Howdy Doody. I’ve run out of patience with stupid people if you can’t tell. It’s probably time to take a break from this place. I feel when you show up here, I’m stuck in an infinite Fat Grannies loop.

    Let me reiterate my points to you Howdy and Professor Huck Mo-Ki-Moon, so you two will understand exactly where I stand concerning Jews and my profound Islamophobia.

    Jews in America, for the most part, are not relevant to this discussion. Some of the most liberal people I loathe happen to be Jewish and secular, though my like or dislike has nothing to do with their faith. I think the term agnostic Jew is an oxymoron. I have but a few friends that are Jewish, but they are good ones.

    Israel is a sovereign country. Jerusalem is its capital. That is not negotiable. I don’t give a damn, nor do I have national sympathy about a Palestinian state that has nominated a known terrorist group as its leadership. I do feel sorry for many of its innocent victims who are caught in the crossfire of both religion and politic. Life is unfair. I choose to side with Israel in the ongoing debate.

    The name of the state is Israel; not Ishmael. Hint, hint.

    I know for a fact Israel has provided the following advantages to the rest of the world, you two Dhimmis included.

    – Although Israel is the 100th smallest country in the world, it produces 80% of the world’s biotechnology, which it has shared with Jew and Gentile alike.

    – An Israeli company has developed a blood test that diagnoses heart attacks over the telephone.

    – An Israeli research team found that the combination of electrical stimulation and chemotherapy can make cancerous metastases disappear.

    – Israel has developed the first flight system to protect aircraft against a missile attack.

    – An Israeli company has developed a computerized system for ensuring proper administration of medications in hospital, thus eliminating the possibility of human error.

    – Researchers in Israel have developed a new device that directly helps the heart pump blood, an innovation with the potential to save the lives of congestive heart failure patients.

    – Israeli scientists have developed the first computerized, no-radiation, diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer.

    – Israeli engineers and agriculturalists developed a drip irrigation system minimizing the amount of water used to grow crops, and shared the technology with farmers in Nigeria.

    – The Pentium MMX Chip was designed in Israel at Intel.

    – Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.

    – An Israeli “super-sensor” has been installed in a certain make of mattresses to control snoring.

    – Israeli researchers discovered the molecular trigger that causes psoriasis.

    – An Israeli doctor headed the Merck team that developed a vaccine against cervical cancer.

    – The Ex-Press shunt, developed in Israel, is being used by people suffering from glaucoma.

    – The late actor Christopher Reeve called Israel the “world centre” for research on paralysis treatment.

    – Israeli microbiologists developed the first passive vaccine against the West Nile virus.

    – Israeli stem-cell technology is being used in the U.S. to regenerate heart tissue.

    —-

    Palestine has provide:

    Banning Women From Riding Motorcycles, while a female Israeli Chemist won the Nobel Prize the same month. Also Palestine has provided:
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    and
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    So you two keep on trucking, though I think Professor Emeritus Huck Sun Mo-Ki-Moon should stick with the U.N. Human’s Right Commission and summarily reject this cardiovascular medical technology on principle.

  180. Rutherford –

    I didn’t mean to imply that welfare was only for the lazy – although many, many – if not most – eventually make it a way of life. Believe me, I’ve had relatives on hard times. I even got food stamps for a short time myself when I was in college.

    It’s just that you see very few Jews on any kind of assistance. I in my life have only known one, and that was short-time. My experience with Arabs in America has been as engineering students or professors, so they are quite capable too. My problem has been interpersonal, not professional. I have a very short fuse and when a professor accuses me of cheating (as he did one of my classmates) in public, he’d better have proof or be ready to defend himself.

  181. Let me put it this way. This is my country just as much as anybody else holding a Jersey birth certificate, or any from one of the other states.

    My father enlisted in the navy right out of HS, before and I was born and re-upped into the army. As a career man, he served his navy years on an aircraft carrier and after getting into the army, worked his way up to CWO. He did a tour of duty in Vietnam in 69 and served in the European theater in the early 70’s. He died the same year I graduated HS. So I grew up in the military. Most of my early friendships were with other “dependents”.

    That is why is pisses me off to see everything falling apart here due to a banking cartel that hijacked our freedom a hundred years ago. The very same one that profits from wars yet never is required to take up arms or have any skin in the game. It’s our brothers and sisters and fathers and mothers and sons and daughters that have been shedding their blood to keep these guys in caviar and sex slaves.

    Turns out most of these conflicts and wars were instigated by these same dark hearts and their minions. That is what the documents show, no matter how you interpret them.

    So it’s a battle. Right now, they are winning. It’s mostly a battle for your mind. As long as you see them in white hats, there’s a problem for real freedom. I’m not cutting and running. I have every right to stand my ground. This is a global contest. We are just one of the dominoes. You can run, but eventually you’ll need to face this head on.

    So no, despite how much you might like me to move out of the country – not gonna happen. Unless of course, God gives me new marching orders. That is always His prerogative. 😎

  182. Good night, Kotex.

    Come back when you get the time to actually read others’ posts and don’t make a fool of yourself by attacking people who are agreeing with you.

    Try Tampax next time. It goes INSIDE and won’t block your shitty view of life.

  183. Pfesser, why don’t you learn a little HTML to make your questions more readable? I thought you were the smartest man on earth? Like this..

    What the fuck is wrong with you, man? People try to have a decent conversation with you and you just jump right in and shit the bed.

    No asshole, that is not a decent conversation. You’ve confused conversation with the word “ACCUSATION.” Like I said, I’ve grown tired of stupid people – you included.

    I have never seen another individual with such a level of undefined, random, seething anger – about everything! Anything!

    Is that some skin off your ass? I don’t particularly care for you. And I really don’t give a damn what you think of me Doctor.

    Completely unfocused – mad at everyone, mad at yourself, mad at life. What the hell is your problem? Are you having problems at home? Problems with your wife? Kids? Money problems?

    Nope. In fact, my disdain is quite focused and it is certainly not of a personal nature. I’m happily married with two great kids and can more than sit on my ass and throw bombs. Or have you not figured that out? But I have a real problem with rank propagandists, liars, militant atheists like you, and Dhimmis.

    And don’t preach to me about bigotry hypocrite. You’re the rankest religious bigot I’ve come across, “‘Jesus’ Age Christ”. You wouldn’t dare do that with me in person, you frickin’ coward.

    So I give you the one-fingered salute with both hands prick. That focused enough for you?

  184. Come back when you get the time to actually read others’ posts and don’t make a fool of yourself by attacking people who are agreeing with you.

    I’m talking about Huck. Hucking Fypocrites. Get it? He made accusation I was ISLAMOPHOBIC. He’s a soon to be professor in love with that feckless U.N.. Get it? And get some new humor that is puerile. Kotex?

    Before you psychoanalyze me next time, realize it’s you that can’t read.

  185. Dead Rabbit living in Northern California. Damn … the man just keeps me on my toes every day. I’m trying to picture it. It’s a wonderful thing! 🙂

  186. Pfesser,

    I was really hoping Tex would comment on this piece I have linked a couple times now. I think he is the most qualified to understand and interpret it – that is what I was led to believe, anyway. But it has so far been ignored. I did not know if you saw it and would like to contribute your 2 cents? It is an interpretation of actual USGS collected data samples, the official report includes the data but without any explanation.

    Some things may be better interpreted from by one with a more open mind, so as not to discount any of the obvious conclusions that may contradict one’s own learned prejudices.

    Here’s where it gets exciting…

    Here we’re plotting the concentration of Barium at each location against the Strontium concentration. The correlation between the concentrations of the two elements, Barium and Strontium is very strong. The graph on the left shows just the first 9 locations, where the concentration of both Barium and Strontium was below 1000ppm and the graph on the right adds the 10th data point at WTC01-16 where the concentration of Barium and Strontium both spiked over 3000ppm…

    …Whatever process gave rise to the presence of the Barium or the Strontium must have produced the other as well. There is only one process that can account for this and produces both. A very well known process indeed that this book discusses intimately.

    Nuclear Fission.

    http://es.scribd.com/doc/59702510/Jeff-Prager-911-Dust-2011

  187. “my disdain is quite focused and it is certainly not of a personal nature. I’m happily married with two great kids and can more than sit on my ass and throw bombs.”

    Wife. I figured it was the wife. That was an easy one.

    “Or have you not figured that out? But I have a real problem with rank propagandists, liars, militant atheists like you, and Dhimmis.”

    And people who don’t agree with your bigoted opinions. Maybe you should be “Princess Kotex” – after Princes Donna. Yeah, I like that…

    Nighty night, Princess Kotex

  188. So it’s the wife? Are you sure? 🙂 Okay, you nailed it. I’m miserably unhappy.

    I’m just wondering. My wife is unfortunately away a great deal of the time, as she was this weekend after we returned from vacation. So I have all the time in the world to kill, with no intent of going out into 110 degree temperatures to do jack shit. How is it you (1) Can do the same; (2) Work; (3) Fuck little honey bunny to your heart’s content, while calling up the porn? Do you have six hours in the day the rest of us don’t Dr. Spock?

    May I remind you Dr. that it is you that apparently has large problems with marriages – or should I say previous marriages, which you “graciously” shared here on this board? Oh, and that wonderful, little trophy you’re married to now? Why, I’m just sure she has made your life so whole, hey? Probably blogs right beside you, and for the very first time in your life….you’re so happy as you gush. Never been happier. Your presence just drips with Happily ever after…

    But, I seem to remember:

    Something about mother-in-laws and executions; fuck ‘um, feed ‘um and take care of the kids? Wasn’t that your sound marital advice Spock? You read like a real trooper for husband and father Pfesser. Maybe we ought to sign you up for marriage counselor in your spare time. Of course, so many of you wonderful intellects are from the medical profession I’ve met often and socialized with, well I’ve often noted not quite as solid as you’d like the public to perceive.

    So I can make one claim you can’t Dear Abby Dr. Spock

    I’m happily married, never divorced, didn’t abandon the kids, never put job before family – and the biggest problem I’ve got with my wife? She’s not with me all the time.

    So before you give your prognosis of my maladies, perhaps you might want to create a T-square and make comparison of your’s vs. mine. There, you’ll find you understand soft tissues and tumors far more than you psychology – or marriage.

  189. “I’m talking about Huck. Hucking Fypocrites. Get it? He made accusation I was ISLAMOPHOBIC. He’s a soon to be professor in love with that feckless U.N.. Get it? And get some new humor that is puerile. Kotex?”

    No, Kotex, that is NOT what I’m talking about. RTFB read the fucking blog.

    So tell me, what is it then that drives you to such rage all the time? Is it too much time on your hands? You know what the religious nuts say about the Devil’s workshop. What is it? Why are you so angry? Why do you attack in all directions like a blind snake, striking at anything in range? Is it because you are short? Paunch? Little dick? Girls laugh at you? What is it? Why cannot you have a civil conversation LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE? Are you angry because you couldn’t cut it in Med School and there are people out there who could? Does that still bother you? Is it lack of professional distinction? Is it the idleness? Money problems? Maybe someone could help you; we’re all your friends, you know…LOL

    Where I came from – and it’s not just there, it’s everywhere – someone would just slap the piss out of you and go on. I had guys like you in my karate class: little scrawny piss ants who were mad at the world because they WERE piss ants and wanted to do something about it. At least THEY tried to man up a little and learn how to fight; you, on the other hand just hide behind your little electrons.

    Good night again, Princess Kotex Piss Ant.

  190. Your karate class? 😆 And you’re calling me a piss ant? You frickin’ memaw armed, panty waste. I doubt you even know what love is. So why do you have so much time to blog bigshot? Where’s the trophy – blogging beside you? Caring for the “step” children? Feeding you?

    I remember this blowhard at college that told me he was black belt too – some high degree with fancy Asian sounding title tidbit. Karate Chop! Didn’t seem to make much difference Dr. Bruce Lee when he got his ass whipped and rolled down the fraternity house steps. But I’m absolutely shaking at your heroic stories – in fact, I’m scared to death. Really, I am. Something tells me, when we meet up you’re going to learn a life’s lesson in really pent up bad attitude.

    Some worm electrical engineer, onward to medical school with his backwater tales of woe made great! Tell me some more.

    Now I’m going to psychoanalyze you Spock. You like to make it personal? She got what she wanted – and you ain’t got nothing else to offer. Hope you got the prenup Spock. She’s going to rip your squirrel sized balls off one day when she’s through with you, you’ll be sitting with your Mac at 79 trying to read a CT for retirement and paying the bank for all the “goodies” you own.

    Listen Pfesser – this isn’t Fat Grannies. I’ve had plenty of civil conversations here and elsewhere. You’ve gotten a little skewed view since I show up at Fat Grannies to throw shit at the monkies, shrews and harpies. That’s the lowest of the low, and if you haven’t noticed, you’re number three on the uncivil list. And Puddles brings out the worst in me.

    So spare me your psycho babble bullshit before I think you’re Fake by another name. I didn’t say a damn thing to you. You started this – you think you’re going to bully me like you do those dimwits at M&H Bruce, you got another thing coming. You want this civil, you start. You can either learn to live with that rule, or you can kiss my ass. Take your pick Bruce.

  191. Here’s something else Pfesser as you brag about your superiority.

    You want to know why I think you’re a blowhard? You’re right – I quit medical school for a multitude of reasons, the main reasons were I’m too old and the risk too great as it took way too long to get there. I never counted on my wife being transferred when I walked and having to pursue it part time. My mistake. Bad karma.

    But Mofo, unless WV is so backwater they allow flunkies into their medical school, you wouldn’t sniff the inside of the medical school door here if you “flunked” anything.

    I question your credentials.

  192. So you never did tell us, Princess Kotex Piss Ant –

    Why are you so angry? Why is it that you cannot have a civil conversation with anybody about anything? Why cannot you let others have an opinion? What is it, Piss Ant? What’s biting you?

    As for psychoanalysis – it’s pretty easy. You’re like the short little Walter Mittys that get all psycho when they get behind the wheel. It’s something in your personal life that just isn’t working, isn’t it? Some kind of personal defect or personal failure or just a lack of a feeling of self-worth that makes you feel you have to bully people.

    But you’re nobody’s bulldog, Kotex Piss Ant, I can see you very clearly – about five feet six with a big paunch. LOL HAR HAR HAR, as you like to say. Gotta be a cyberbully because in real life even the girls can beat your pussy ass.

    Nighty Night, Princess Kotex Piss Ant. Sweet dreams.

  193. And Rutherford. You’ll be happy to know in my ‘incivility tonight’ and elsewhere, Pfesser and I made at least one person at Chatty Kitchen extremely happy (probably a whole bunch happy). Wouldn’t matter if she didn’t read the board here (she does), as Poolman would have directed them here. Amongst other things, Poolman is a snake and gossips like a hen if you have determined that already.

    Princess Donna hates us both (Pfesser and me). Tonight, for one of the few times in her miserable existence, she’s loving this duel. 😆

    Hell, this might even bring Margaret and Helen out of retirement. Maybe we can continue it tomorrow and give them a real thrill.

    I’m just warming up for the militant atheist.

  194. Apologies, Rutherford –

    Sometimes the Lord’s burden is more than a man can bear. When the adults are trying to have a conversation and can’t because of continuous background noise, sometimes they get tired of it.

    No, fucking fed up is what they get. Fed Fucking Up.

    I am trying to stay on topic and civil but sometimes I just can’t do it. Again, my apologies. I’ll do better.

  195. But you’re nobody’s bulldog, Kotex Piss Ant, I can see you very clearly – about five feet six with a big paunch. LOL HAR HAR HAR, as you like to say. Gotta be a cyberbully because in real life even the girls can beat your pussy ass.

    Oh, that was too quick. Save that in the queue blowhard? 😈

    5′ 2″ – why don’t you fly the Cessna down to Tulsa and see Tattoo to give him a karate lesson or two Bruce? I mean, a “physical” radiologist like you. Whew….what a hunk.

    We can watch some “porn” and talk philosophy.

  196. When the adults are trying to have a conversation and can’t because of continuous background noise, sometimes they get tired of it.

    Oh gawd. That was painful to read. First, boring stories of stratospheric accomplishment, and now sanctimony. Yuck…

    Hey numb nuts? This is the local watering hole. Get over yourself. You’re not that interesting, nor that deep.

  197. I just love the equity in these progressive/conservative debates…

    Here, I’ll start…

    1) I’ll present some data to try to prove a point that matters to, say, everyone on the frikkin’ planet.

    2) You counter with however many imaginative slurs you can call me in the first paragraph, and

    3) See if you can’t use what I have revealed in any past posts here and elsewhere in an attempt to discredit me personally in next, then

    4) Demand that I answer your one rhetorical serious question – not just once, but twice! Next,

    5) I’ll search for the answer I already provided unanswered question and provide a more thorough explanation to satisfy your burning curiosity, hoping for the same courtesy to be reciprocated, when

    6) You claim boredom and impatience, hint at other distractions important tasks you should be tending and log out, leaving me

    7) Understanding better why this nation is in such great standing deep doo doo, as the narrative never changes, the blame is scapegoated, and the banking cartel gets away with murder earning record profits and, oh, nevermind…

  198. Color me confused as hell. I prefer to stay out of squabbles but I’m not sure where this one came from.

    Pfesser, did you think Tex was dissing you to start with? If so, you’re wrong … he was talking about Huck who plans to be a professor when he finishes his current studies. (Aside to Tex … when you made reference to “Professor” I saw a misunderstanding in the making.)

    OR .. were you defending Huck? Knowing Tex as I do, this also was a very bad move. LOL. My rule of thumb: if Tex “attacks” someone capable of defending himself, I don’t intervene. If I think it’s an unfair fight, I might butt in.

    But damn … this one got real nasty real fast and I’d hate to think it was over a misunderstanding.

    I hope both you boys sleep it off and return to battle another day with the weapons not so lethal. 😯

    I’ll say this much Tex …. at least you’re not the only one this time to pull a “Hannibal Lecter”. 🙂

  199. There are voices in both India and Pakistan that are raising the specter of suspicion on the CIA. On the Indian side the voices are muted, but the rumblings are there. An Indian, Asif Mohd Khan, MLA of Delhi Assembly leader on Sunday suspected Mossad-CIA handiwork in Mumbai serial blasts that killed 20 people and injured more than 100. According to press reports he said: “Israeli and American intelligence agencies connections can’t be ruled out in coordinated bomb attacks at three different locations on Wednesday evening in India’s business capital, Mumbai”.

    http://rupeenews.com/?p=37365

  200. Hey “R” – I too appreciate the free flow of information. This was more calling the baffled with bullshit bluff than Hannibal tonight. I’ve explained to the Karate Kid in the generic sense exactly why I’m angry three separate times in this thread alone and “The Kid” still didn’t get it. He can line up to whip my ass after Fake’s boyfriends. Beware the roundhouse…the short stature (defined by Bruce) might prove advantageous. 🙂

    Do me a favor. Unless this goes so overboard you feel the need to demand property rights, let me deal with Dr. Bruce Lee. This is personal. Bruce likes to make it personal, he came to the right place.

    If it comes down to some threat you don’t approve of, let me deal with it or notify me and I’ll take it off the board. That’s not your problem or concern and I’ll respect your wishes.

    Civil enough? Be back some time tomorrow.

  201. Holy shit I’m cracking up……”the black belt” threat.

    I’m requesting a black belt to Karate chop me 10 times in the neck for shorting silver the last couple of days.

    It just can’t go through 40 bucks resistance line, after all, I employed tech analysis I learned on the internet.

    FAIL.

    I forget how freaked out people are with the Obama printing machine. If Obama and his Banker Buddies even whisper another round of Command Economy hi-jinks and his attack on working people, PMs go parabolic.

    This is what I get for trying to be too smart.

    Repeat mantra 10 times:

    It aint Rocket Science.

  202. ”the black belt” threat. 😀 Bet if we had stayed with the conversation long enough, I would have heard “Wax On, Wax Off”.

    Inspired me to sign up for Total Pilates to better protect myself. 😉

  203. D.R. – I thought I had sold all my silver.

    Looked at our accounts today to buy something and noticed I still own Silver Wheaton Corp – and it’s done pretty well. This is clearly an example of ignorance is bliss and fate smiling on fools.

    Do you think it necessary that maybe I better start “managing” my financial accounts when I start forgetting exactly what it is I’ve got?

  204. Go to the 9 month chart and notice when SLV went fucking parabolic around Easter and you made all that money on Proshares Ultra Sivler ETF, Wheaton lost almost 7 dollars a share.

    From what I understand, mining stock is pegged to futures big time. So, if silver goes up too much, they actually take a loss. Uh….I think.

  205. I needed to get liquid to pay off my deficiency to Fanny (and still have cash for things like my furnace taking a shit, etc.). I do the responsible thing and sell my puts. One of them was a 130 strike July S&P put. I reluctantly sold it two Friday’s ago for a small profit.

    Fuck head Fanny can’t take my money yet because they still can’t take.

    I should have just kept in the game, I would have made enough money to just pay them off.

    I did keep my 100 August S&P put. Options are weird, the S&P takes a major shit today and I lose a couple bucks on it. It’s almost like today’s poop reminded everyone just how much the market has to tank for a 100 strike. I thought for sure I’d be up a couple hundred bucks.

  206. D.R, I never have gotten a handle on how mining precious metals vs. owning precious metals work. Even based on futures, you would think with a run up in the price of the commodity, the mining value itself would correlate because supposedly (if you believe the academia baloney), all stock prices are at least in part based on some future worth. Same with the gold funds vs. miners – at least in my portfolio. Miners have lagged.

    A better mining play I made a couple of years ago which is a lot easier to understand is Rio Tinto. I would bet if I were to take measure of the last two years, other than gold, Rio Tinto has been my most consistent performer, with the exception of a dip last summer which came back. Over the last five years, I have slowly whittled away at owning individual stocks – and I’ll bet my wife and I now own no more than 25 individual stocks – and most of those still blue chip best of breed. Even to this day, for all my big talk, I’m still a believer in dividends. And even BP pays a good dividend again. I may read like Jim Cramer, but I invest like Ben Stein. 🙂

    Trying to hit growth stocks is more often than not like handing the chimp the darts to throw. I’ve done it a few times (CSCO, MSFT, China Fund), but I’ve had my buttocks smoked too (SUNW & Fiber Optics) on those “hot tips.” Sun Microsystems once cost me $8,400 in a matter of weeks when I kept hanging on like a fool. Never gave thought when the tech bubble burst, you could simply resell all those idle servers. Duh…

    But 90% of entire net worth was still tied to index equity funds until a few months back, with about 60% of it moved to fixed income now. What’s that drawing? 2% a year? Unlike the last two years, I figure all things equal, I’ll row home with something less that the S&P Average. Don’t care anymore – I’m now playing it safe and will become a miser

    I simply do not trust anything I’m reading or hearing anymore – every fiber of my being tells me we are taking on water and the ship is going down. When inept gov’t accounts for one dollar spent when you’ve only got four to spend, it’s time to rethink this American Dream.

    I’ll give old Poolman credit on this one – I am in on the conspiracy. The Fed is not to be trusted and we don’t have Paul Volcker anymore. This current clown is a lackey.

  207. D.R., I think you’re right. I think that is exactly what will transpire. And it is criminal because the FED is supposed to be politically neutral. If it weren’t political, one of two things would have happened immediately: (1) QE3 would have followed QE2 without pause or, (2) Bernacke would have announced that’s it – decreased the uncertainty for investment. He didn’t.

    Bernacke has to have better information that all of us do – he’s the ultimate inside scoop. And I got wind today that July employment reports are fading according to my buddy. If true, Bernacke has run out of options besides printing bling. Printing money is Obama’s ace in the hole to stop the bleeding (for a very short time) which has already been played twice.

    ——-

    Rabbit, I know a lot of smart people that think I’m crazy for getting out of the market. They think all this cash sitting in retained earnings of massive corporations is to be used, and that is true. They’re sure the S&P will take a huge bump when and if they increase the debt ceiling. Probably. But I would remind them……large corporations had even more cash in Oct. 2007 and look what happened nine months later.

    Serious question. Can you or your brother give me one positive indicator besides the cash? Real estate is in the tank and getting worse. Expansion of gov’t is growing faster than ever; interest rates are artificially low and hyperinflation a real threat; unemployment is worse, not better; real wages are actually decreasing; savings is almost non-existent in 80% of American homes, most who live paycheck to paycheck; oil is still close to $100 a barrel and $4.00 gas may become the new norm; basic staples are experiencing hyperinflation; some of our largest states are broke and you know Uncle Sam is going to be hit for non-interest loans to pay for the pensions.

    So getting back to this debt ceiling argument. Rhetorical question for you and something that troubles me personally more than anything else. Give me a real fundamental reason why raising a debt ceiling would be treated as a positive? Okay, so we can pay our immediate bills.

    But that is no different than making your house payment on credit because you got your credit card maximum raised. The concept is exactly the same. Only now you’re liable for the interest too.

    What bothers me about that is, is the reaction from the market that should be negative – not positive. Because it indicates a willingness to increase an already massive government which creates further liability. So once again, fundamentals seem to be meaningless. And that is exactly what has burned us three times the last eleven years. I’m not entirely sure anybody has a handle on the current risk.

    Maybe I’m wrong. I’m certainly no macro-economist. But I’m beginning to wonder who really is?

  208. I seem to recall Rio Tinto being a big deal back when I was in the market. I also remember some mining interests being impacted by worker strikes. When I get settled in the new apartment, I’ll try to dig up some of my old investments when I was at “the height of my skill” and I’ll share with you my track record. As I may have mentioned before, I finally found a “formula” involving minimal research that yielded me modest profits and basically ended my losing streak.

    It’s funny … even though 99% of Rabbit’s options talk goes over my head it does make me nostalgic for the old days. Maybe when I get back on my feet again and have some disposable income, a few of us can form an online investment club? 😉

  209. Can you or your brother give me one positive indicator besides the cash?

    My question is why abandon the old days of fundamental analysis … i.e. just looking at the balance sheet of the companies in which you have an interest. Unless you’re talking about commodities.

  210. “Pfesser, did you think Tex was dissing you to start with? If so, you’re wrong … he was talking about Huck who plans to be a professor when he finishes his current studies. (Aside to Tex … when you made reference to “Professor” I saw a misunderstanding in the making.”

    No, Rutherford, I got the drift; it’s just that everybody has a limit. A steady drip, drip, drip eventually causes the most patient human being to just say, Fuck It. I came here because I found a much higher level of intellect, but I can’t enjoy it because every other post is about what someone is mad about TODAY. Anybody who disagrees must be improperly motivated or a commie, jihadist, atheist, mother raper, father stabber – FATHER RAPER! A Father Raper right here on the Rutherford Lawson blog! (Apologies to Arlow Guthrie.) It takes all the fun out of it here; there can be no discussion because asshole already knows it all. (Maybe that is why you only have about four regular posters – just a thought.) Anyway, it just got to me. Sorry.

    One last thing and I will speak of this no more. As for the karate class, I was a STUDENT. Never got beyond green belt; I only took the class because my brother was a 5th Dan black belt and this was his same style (Isshin Ryu). But I quickly realized that it wasn’t for me; a) I had a sunny disposition and never got in fights and b) someone my size and experience didn’t need the karate and c) I wasn’t interested in the religion.

    Anyway – onward.

  211. Thanks for the clarification Pfesser. This is a rough and tumble establishment … a cross between your neighborhood bar and a wild west saloon. 🙂

    Stick around … many other interesting discussions yet to be had no doubt.

  212. Wish it were that simple “R”. You would think that would be enough, and I spent four years of nights learning just that while earning a master’s degree, but I don’t think fundamentals hold much water these days in investing. Fear, greed and herd mentality rule. For one thing, I’m not even confident in the information we get to derive those fundamentals.

    Remember when you asked me why I didn’t abandon the market a couple of years ago? Preaching for the choir as you already know the answer, but I told and you, and you agreed the stock market no longer rational. Down 1,000 points one day, up 300 the next? I thought then the market was completely oversold. I believe now it’s artificially inflated. Got to have a market to sell to – and I believe that is why companies are holding their cash. They don’t like the look of the future either. Could be wrong.

    But when fear and greed drive the buy and sell, the market is more a crap shoot than an investment.

  213. Rutherford –

    re: investment styles. I highly recommend you invest in a book, “The Conscious Investor” by John Price. He is a professor of “Financial Mathematics” in Australia. I have spoken to him many times and he is well-informed. The book ain’t cheap. I read it over my beach vacation a couple of weeks ago.

    Price goes into current investment techniques. The so-called “mathematical models” are deeply flawed in the same way the math models that are being used by The Bernank, Geithner, and that horrible man, Bob Rubin. Because of the compounding nature of investments, they are grossly susceptible to the “butterfly effect” – which basically means that changing your initial constants by .01 percent can compound to make a twenty percent difference in your investment return. And that is each variable! (They become constants, I guess when you set them to a value). Price proves unequivocally via statistics that technical “analysis” is like pouring money down a rat hole. I can’t believe anyone still does charting, looking for “cup and handle” and stuff like that.

    Like him, dislike him, whatever – there are few investors who touch Warren Buffett. Professor Price has made a life study of his techniques, and I’ll tell you what John told me: Buffett says that if you have the time and skill and ability to do complex math in your head – and can devote eight hours every day to investing, then you should own individual stocks. Everybody else should own index funds. (Yes I know what their returns have been over the past ten years.) Compare them to anybody over thirty years and almost nobody can beat them – except of course, Buffett.

    Anyway, just my .05. The best way to make money is not lose it. Remember, if you lose 50% you have to make 100% to get back even.

  214. Pfesser,

    Tsk, tsk, tsk… some people’s kids, eh? I too am interested in real debate and furthering my own knowledge. Kicking ideas back and forth, entertaining other’s perspectives. I have absolutely no interest in belittling anyone. Not that I haven’t, it’s just not my preference nor intent. Experts claim that is a sign of insecurity. Regardless, I’ve witnessed plenty of intellect going completely to waste on these inter tubes.

    If I want to experience the inane, I just turn on the boob tube. I gave up on learning anything of value from that source some time ago. I have also gotten bored with discussing politics and political affiliations. It’s like sports’ teams and strategies. It may help you win, but in the end, it’s just about entertainment to the nth degree. The gross amount of time and money involved could be much better spent, IMO. Living in a country where politicos and sports figures earn millions while the majority of its citizens can’t afford basics is a travesty to me.

    I know, I know. It’s the American Dream. For some, it is a nightmare. I’ll be paying close attention to how that all plays out when the Righteous Judge holds court.

    I took a semester of Tae Kwon Do to fill a requirement in college. I don’t remember hardly any of it. There were a few cute girls in class that I was more interested in studying than the actual discipline. The instructor could tell I wasn’t serious, so he focused on those he felt were. There is a whole religion/philosophy that goes along with it and I was not interested in going there, either.

    I also took a class in biblical Hebrew. That I retained a little more of. I really did not understand why I had to take so many classes that were not in my field of study. There are plenty of things regarding education requirements that seem counter-productive to me. I think apprenticeships are more conducive to real learning. We really have done ourselves a grave disservice in many of the ways we have “modernized” society. We are paying for it now, big time.

  215. I’m sorry Rutherford – I was going to let last night go and simply let it be – the lowest form of debate. But we have an inflated head of self-estimated worth with a large degree of insecurity that needs to be pricked still. I unfortunately missed the cheap shot.. I need to clarify something that needs to be said about a mealy-mouthed doctor that apparently can’t follow his own advice – the same advice he reminded himself about at Fat Grannies.

    ——–

    I hate it. I just hate it. The ‘blogosphere’ has become such a waste of time. When I was in college my friends and I used to meet and drink beer and have really lively discussions, but nobody got mad; we were all friends and had respect for each other. ~ Pfesser, Fat Grannies

    Wwwwaaaaaaahhhhh…

    Mr Miyagi’s back with the pejorative. Mr. Sunny Disposition – the Marriage Counselor with the Hair Trigger temper and a littered path of marital destruction. What a hero…what a mentsch. Still have to get the last word. Didn’t work.

    So hero, if you’re so “sunny” and capable of drawing traffic, why does the Chatty Kitchen put you on par with me? One of those questions of how you manage to juggle all the balls in your heavenly, “romantic”, “fulfilled” life but never seem to get around answering exactly why you’re here. Selective judgment…double standard.

    If the number of people making comment is the measure of the quality of a blog, then you owe Fat Grannies an apology Mr. Miyagi.

    And if you don’t like the drip, drip, drip or what transpired and you just hate it, just hate it 😥 about the “lack of respect”, then I suggest you find another approach with me, ignore me, leave, or do the world a big favor and fly down and shut my mouth Goliath. I’m not going to measure my words for the benefit of your tacit threats or your profound sensitivities.

    Bottom line is, this isn’t college and I am not your friend, nor do I have a desire to be. I don’t seek your approval or respect, and you will find none from me for you until you change your attitude or learn to hide your idiocy about my faith. I tolerate you and have kept it civil because I thought you did have something to offer but platitudes. But when it comes to Jew hating, Dhimmitude, or crassness about Christ, then as far as I’m concerned, anything goes.

    I bequeath Margaret and Helen’s and the pack of barking seals back to you without interruption from here on out and without my presence – until the election draws close and I need to “correct” the rank propaganda once again, if I so desire. You being there will have no bearing whether I choose to appear, or not.

    You can live in peace and let them worship your brilliance.

  216. This feels ridiculous for me to be spouting off like this, but I do believe that there is a great opportunity to make money in the next 3 to 5 years.

    Fundamentals are out the window. Except for one constant.

    Here it is boys:

    Wall Street and the government have the exact same goal. For the most part, they are led by a desperate and Machiavellian elite made up of a graying baby boom generation. They both believe they have the engineering skills to keep the giant Ponzi running on fumes until they are all safely dead. They will never take the deserved hair cut. Or so they think. TARP and QE has reinforced this. After they die, they don’t care.

    How to do that? Keep kicking the can, raising debt ceilings and printing money. They don’t care if the entire basket of currencies sink. In fact, that’s the whole point. Lower the entire basket and slowly boil the middle class. Entrust that the people of America will remain ignorantly addicted to entitlements.

    If you invest with this very dramatic mind set, I think it might even be possible to get rich.

    Sure, sometimes I play the volatility or even a little rookie technical action. But, for the most part, my pillar, my rock, is the economic destruction of America.

    I also came to the realization that no matter if I like it or not somebody is insanely gambling with my financial life.

    From the day I graduated college, long term saving and conservative blue chip investing has been a loss. Saving cash, a loss. My house a massive loss.

    If someone is gonna balls out gamble my life a way, i tell you right now boys, its going to be Rabbit.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=DJI+Interactive#chart12:symbol=dji;range=19990701,20110718;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on

  217. Well here it is boys: if fundamentals are truly out the window and technical analysis is for sh*t (and honestly I NEVER took technical analysis too seriously .. looking for patterns on a graph with conclusions drawn with 20/20 hindsight. I never really believed you could predict much with it) then why would any sane person be in the market right now?

    I tell you sometimes I read Rabbit’s updates with my hands in front of my eyes peeking through my fingers as it resembles that moment before Freddie Kruger rips someone a new assh*le. Who knows? Rabbit may be a more capable “player” than I could ever be but damn it feels like Russian Roulette to me.

  218. Rabbit, if there anybody that has reason to be cynical about investments, the Fed, and the American Dream, it would be you. Guys like you and to a lessor degree Huck are at the perfect age to have been royally screwed. I’m not sure about BIC and Tigre because I don’t know their ages.

    Let me explain and you may already know this.

    If you had money accumulated in a 401K or 403C through the years of 1980 – 1999, you made money – interest upon interest. Times were rocking. In fact, off the top of my head and without looking, the DOW went up about 500-600% during that era. The NASDAQ was twice what it is now. The S&P was 1525 in 2000. You could be an utter and complete moron, and if you took 10% of your paycheck deferred and shoved it in a mutual fund, you made a 15-20% return on your money. Do that every year with cumulative interest and you don’t need to make $200K a year to quickly have substantial worth. I wasn’t quite old enough to be a large benefactor – but if I had about 5 or 10 years, say years 80-85, I guarantee you I would be a multi-millionaire this minute. I’m sure many are between the ages 55 to 65, who still drive the old Buick.

    Then the tech bubble hit and things have never been the same.

    If you had invested in a equity/bond mutual fund in about Apr 2000 and never touched it, opened it for the first time today – the balance would be basically the same. Eleven years of dead money – worse, since the dollar has decreased 42% in value over the last decade, the money you had in 2000 was almost half again more valuable than it is now. The last decade was like 1970 – 1979. To make matters worse, voting for Obama was like voting for Carter – with $5.4Trillion of Debt added to our burden. Dimocrats don’t see that as a tax increase. It damn sure is…it’s a deferred tax increase and a huge one. Nobody has ever raised taxes at a greater rate than Obama because the national debt is a tax by another name.

    ———–

    You throw in you being screwed in real estate, I feel almost guilty about bitching about my finances. You and your generational decade have a right to be pissed.

    I’m just trying to convince you to be careful. Puts and calls can make you rich – and they can leave you indebted up to your eyeballs. Shorting is dangerous business. I’m not confident in playing the money exchange game because that has too much geopolitical risk which nobody can control. One nuclear bomb can change that in a nanosecond.

    Here’s some free advice for what it is worth from an older pal who has learned from the school of hard knocks himself. Nobody taught me this – I had to learn it the old fashion way (sweating my balls off).

    Don’t use the milk money, and if you want to have a solid long-term investment, my suggestion is not an indexed mutual fund, but a specialized indexed fund in environment that you believe is going to grow. Oil and natural gas, gold, commodity mutuals, whatever you think is going to have the greatest long-term benefit to the greatest number of people. I personally would shove some funds in emerging markets, especially China and India. One day, about 40MM air conditioners are going to kick on and unison and all this Chicken Little Global Warming AGW horseshit will be a moot argument. Mao doesn’t give a damn about going green and they’ll tell James Hansen to suck hind tit.

    S&P funds are great way to accumulate money in a 401K, but they are not a great investment idea anymore. Investment has changed over the last 20 years, and I don’t think most people realize that.

    I disagree with Pfesser about Warren Buffett’s current prowess. No doubt the man once upon a time a financial guru – and Bill Gates once upon a time put IBM in it’s place about personal computers. But things change and just as Job passed Gates, many passed Buffett – he’s more politician than investor anymore and there are far better people to listen to for investments. That bullshit about “technical analysis” they want you to swallow is pure smoke – way too many variables they have no control and no guess.

    Warren is paying for influence called inside information. That rich Lib can no more predict the price of crude tomorrow than you and I can.

    Buffett completely missed the real estate bubble and his performance during the down turn actually lagged index funds most of the way down and a large chunk of the way up. That’s not a criticism of Buffett, as he has forgotten more than I know about investing, but much of this celebration as ultimate financial wizard is more media than fact. Riches beget riches and he’s been at it longer than most. Warren is the politically correct voice with a big war chest he uses to milk the insider and he is a huge holder of derivatives – the very derivatives he criticizes in public. Major hypocrite.

    I respect Buffett like I do Joe Kennedy. Both are ruthless and both are/were rich. But they are not high quality people.

  219. You’d never know now I once won a spelling bee and made “A”s in grammar. That faded about 20 years ago. 🙂 Rutherford makes me look like a rank amateur in authorship anymore.

    I just noticed I spelled lesser wrong. Sigh.. I’ll be wearing socks with sandals soon and talking to the plants.

  220. Tex….very sound advice.

    I do need to clarify. When I’m “shorting”, I’m not doing it on margin. I’m leveraged….but not on margin.

    I’m a level two trader…..meaning, I can lose it all (if I don’t hit strike)….but I can’t go in debt.

  221. lol, Rutherford…are trying to say one day …..sooner or later…..I’m going to open my Etrade account up and it’s gonna say, “Welcome to Prime Time Bitch!!!!!!!

  222. “R”, one last story for you personally that you too will face sooner than you think, and then I am going to take a break from R.L. for a few days.

    Though I do enjoy the dialogue obviously, an obvious internet addict, I am indeed pissed at the global stupidity, overload of news mostly bad, twenty one straight days of triple digits, and Obama bashing. Recently, for some reason I have decided to take this stupid crap from mostly meaningless and irrelevant strangers personally – I can’t solve the world’s problems nor take on every profoundly ignorant religious bigot without further exercise and sweat.

    Before I go looking for real blood and fulfill Fake’s charges of sociopath, so far unfulfilled; before I create complete chaos and am just itching to go jihadi with people who have absolutely no idea the shit they would be stepping into whether they be giants or ants (won’t matter), with my favorite 7 iron impaled into their nasal cavity, urea and diesel in large quantities parked in front office buildings, tada tada tada it is time for Tex to gather his senses and take a break from “debate.” I think my daughter calls it “chill.”

    I haven’t felt this much pent up energy since an old boss pissed me off one day while standing in front of a 13th floor full glass window, and my initial reaction was seeing if I could push him through it. I had a running start and was just sure I would enjoy watching him go ass backwards into a six lane intersection before hitting the pavement below while I stood at the window. I still visualize that. 🙂 Fortunately, in a flash I caught my senses as I must now.

    ———

    My elderly parents are requiring more help and there’s a little history there that annoys me – there are actually places on this earth I do hold my tongue. This place has become my place to vent, so thanks for the patience. Even though I hate your guts about half the time :wink:, you have become a distant good friend thru thick and thin. I hope I have proved that some how elsewhere.

    Now, the rest of the story. The only part you are remotely interested about.

    ————

    My youngest daughter is 20, very pretty, like her sister a good student, and somewhat sheltered – call it naive and pampered. Before you blink, you’ll be facing this soon.

    As a father, you will find at 20, your daughter will probably be at the tweener age – physically adult; mentally one step from the high school prom date. While her older sister is only 16 months older, the life’s experiences make them seem years apart. This one is mommy and daddy’s “baby.”

    Tonight, I found out she has announced that she will be driving this week from Tulsa to the Woodlands, TX thru the heart of Dallas, TX in 5:00 traffic, no less. At 20 you can’t say NO WAY IN HELL! You just gulp and try to talk them out of it.

    Now I know I am going to sound like the overbearing ogre for a father, but being I have ridden in her car with her and personally having taught her to drive, my fingers to this day turn blue when she even attempts a drive on the local highway, much less of 10 lanes of 80mph stop and go traffic if I happen to be passenger.

    Can I tell you something as simple as cutting your daughter loose is enough to take about five years off your life? You better enjoy the little puddin’ while you still got the chance and thinks you’re king, because in 13 years you will be turning old and gray from decisions you made 20 years retro.

    Hope the hotel isn’t making you feel pinched.

  223. I forgot to add “R” that Daughter #2’s answers to my questions (realize, she has never even driven out of this state, much less across Texas through two of America’s largest cities), was that she would use the Tom Tom. 🙄

    I bought it for her for Christmas and the damn thing is still in cellophane wrap. Did I tell you she was spoiled and pampered?

    I said, “Honey, you won’t be looking at the GPS in 5:00 PM Dallas traffic. Your eyes will be glued to the trunk lid traveling 100 mph in front of you, your eyes in the back of your head recognizing there’s an 18 wheeler parked on your trunk lid with a crazed Skoal lipped drive flipping you the bird. Do you have any idea what a 20 year old boyfriend is really worth and what you are getting into?”

    “Oh Dad! I’m not a little girl anymore…I’ll be okay!”

    Famous last words….I’d feel more confident if I were having open heart surgery.

  224. I can sympathize, Tex.

    My “baby” moved to Florida with her boyfriend in 2004 when she was 20. They drove from Phoenix to Vera beach pulling a U-haul with his Scion. That year was the worst for Hurricanes. I can remember her crying on the phone when she’d call.

    She stuck it out over three years though, then came back to Phoenix and moved back in for a while. I even put her to work with me for a bit. I still have the dent in the rear bumper from her backing down a driveway and into a sign. 😯 They sure don’t make bumpers like they used to. 🙂

    It worked out well. She’s involved in the food bank and prayer ministry at church. She married a really nice guy that she knew from high school. They were married a year ago in April. She says they are trying to make me a grandfather again. It’s weird thinking of her as a mother. It’s scary thinking what the future will bring for those kids.

    Her older sister always wanted to be a mom, dressing her cat up in baby clothes and treating it like a baby. Riding her bike through the neighborhood with the cat in a basket on the handlebars. That cat took it all in, even baby bottle feeding and diapering.

    Both daughters live close now. One is six houses away, the younger 4 miles.

    It’s so amazing. When they get cut and bruised, I can feel the pain.

  225. Several years ago we attended a concert performed by one of her favorite secular artists. I like the message of this song.

  226. re: Buffett.

    All the “experts” are fond of pointing out that at times others have beaten Buffet’s record. True. But NEVER long-term.

    Buffett and Munger are aware of this. Buffett has specifically said that he avoids tech stocks, for example, because a)he doesn’t understand tech and b)the situation in tech changes so rapidly that he can’t forecast. His greatest ability is that he is a *disciplined* investor and when his “margin of safety” is too small, he won’t invest. Does he miss opportunities? You bet.

    I have only made one tech play and that was Apple. Bought it at 40 many years ago because I had personal experience with Apple computers and PCs and felt that Microsoft could never compete with the Unix core that lay at the center of the OSX operating system. That was a good bet so far. For everything else, I believe that what Ben Graham said is true. The three most important words in investing are “margin of safety.” If you invest that way, you will account for the uncertainties, make money at a steady pace, and never get wiped out – but it takes discipline. When others are blistering along on the latest great thing you will be sorely tempted to jump on the train. Don’t do it. You will be crying in your beer along with them later on.

  227. I’m glad to see Tex echo my concerns about Rabbit’s foray into the market. Let me boil Tex’s more verbose analysis to a simple truism:

    Going long has potentially infinite gain and finite loss (you can only go to zero).

    Shorting has finite gain AND potentially infinite loss. There is no floor to losses when you short.

    Very scary sh*t. It is no coincidence that Jim Cramer never discusses shorting on his show “Mad Money” because he knows to do so could lead lots of idiots to lose their life savings.

    I’m not saying Rabbit is an idiot … but damn man, please be careful.

  228. Hope the hotel isn’t making you feel pinched.

    Tex, being stuck in one room with a 7 year old for four weeks truly is grounds for either homicide or suicide or both. Fortunately I still have my faculties.

    As for thinking I am “king”, my daughter is way smarter than her years. She feels Daddy can’t find his *ss with both hands. Whenever I actually succeed at even the smallest thing, she’s amazed. She’s Mommy’s girl and Daddy is a necessary add-on. (OK I exaggerate but only a bit.)

    Your story about your daughter actually reminds me of my parent’s reaction when I announced at age 22 that I was going to drive solo from Glen Cove, Long Island to Cambridge, MA to visit some old college friends. They were scared to death but they let me do it and of course I not only survived the adventure, I had a great time.

    The true torture of having children is seeing them in pain and not being able to do sh*t about it. I’m thankful my kid is resilient and cocky without being fool-hardy.

    On a final note on this topic, one big difference between us Tex is that your kids grew up with a “traditional father” who got up and went to work each day. I got laid off when my daughter was 3 years old. She has no memory of Dad having the kind of job her peer’s fathers have. She gets a big kick out of the fact that Daddy is his own boss but she also knows Daddy doesn’t bring in much money. Then again, the primary bread-winner (my wife) also works from home so even there my kid isn’t living the life I lived as a kid.

  229. Famous last words….I’d feel more confident if I were having open heart surgery.

    You are, my friend, you are. Seeing your kid take what you consider, rightly or wrongly, to be great risk does indeed tear your heart out.

  230. Maybe they can jackhammer around and soften some of those hard parts while they’re in there. 😀

    On a separate note, THIS is the kind of “coincidence” that we tend to see more and more of as this wicked world turns.

  231. Getting back to stocks for a minute. There was a time when I was quite enamored of IPO’s. Now I must clarify, only insiders get in on the real Initial Public Offering. I never got in at the true beginning. But I would get in as soon as the stock was publicly available from my brokerage firm. My memory fails me but I recall doing two or three of these. Only one, DivX, made me any money.

  232. Twain quote. While reflecting on the death of his daughter:

    …this curious & pathetic fact of life: that when parents are old & their children grown up, the grown-up children are not the persons they formerly were; that their former selves have wandered away, never to return again, save in dream-glimpses of their young forms that tarry a moment & gladden the eye, then vanish & break the heart.
    – “Memorial to Olivia Susan Clemens”

  233. I’m surprised to see there’s been a helicopter crash which perhaps conveniently has killed the team of navy seals who reputedly killed Bin Laden. If I was a conspiracy theorist I’d be thinking, well, that’s the witnesses taken care of then. This is just too much coincidence for me.

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