Primarying Obama

As a complicated relocation has condemned me to living in a hotel for a month, my posts will be short and sweet. Well, depending on my mood, perhaps not so sweet.

When Ted Kennedy challenged sitting President Jimmy Carter for the 1980 Democratic nomination it put the final nail in Carter’s political coffin. The legacy this left us is the common belief that intra-party conflict against a sitting President dooms that President to one term.  So why you might ask would I even entertain the idea of someone challenging Barack Obama.

It’s not that I’ve given up on Obama but I cannot give him a glowing review. The rose-colored glasses were smashed within about a year of his taking the steering wheel. People hate to hear about what he inherited from his predecessors (yes … predecessors … some of our problems date back to Clinton) but there is no doubt the man volunteered for the crappiest job in the country and he has done a decent job of keeping things afloat. That he did not turn out to be Superman is less his fault than our cult-of-personality expectations.

The fact remains that this Marxist, Socialist, Communist (pick your latest hyperbolic label) is anything but. Compared to the true “liberal progressive agenda”, Obama is the very definition of a moderate. He is the compromiser-in-Chief much to the chagrin of the militants who voted for him in 2008. While I don’t necessarily want Bernie Sanders for President, one has to wonder is Obama really the most dynamic, explosive turn-this-country-around choice we’ve got?

In short, there seems something undemocratic in anointing Obama the nominee without challenge, without debate, without discussion of alternatives. Shouldn’t we liberals at least get to see a couple of folks debate how best to achieve liberal goals? Is Obama’s way the only way? And what is Obama’s way exactly? Never in recent history have we had a President so difficult to pin down ideologically. I have found him to vacillate between thoughtful deliberation and downright political opportunism. The most recent example of the latter was Obama hinting to a group of LGBT supporters that he might just support gay marriage if he got a shot at a second term.

And with your help, if you keep up the fight, and if you will devote your time and your energies to this campaign one more time, I promise you we will write another chapter in that story.

via Obama Addresses LGBT Record, “a Little Debate Going on Here in New York” – Poliglot.

I personally find that sort of hope-and-change extortion pretty reprehensible. But I digress. Why are we not eager to hear multiple voices before we go to the polls in November of 2012?

I suppose the risk of making no further progress with a Republican President makes challenging Obama’s Dem nomination a fool’s game. Sometimes true democracy can backfire in your face.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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197 thoughts on “Primarying Obama

  1. That he did not turn out to be Superman is less his fault than our cult-of-personality expectations.

    “Our”? I’m not the one clinging to the promise of Hope and Change. He’s pretty much performed as I expected.

    And considering how much “governing” he has done by fiat, he should be your ideal candidate. He bypasses Congress whenever he can, and avoids the consequences of all those people who “vote against their interest”. (Stupid Prols…they need to listen to their betters and get with that high speed rail program.)

  2. The Horse’s Ass for President has spent $5Trillion dollars in excess under the guise of social justice, treated corporate America like the enemy, has one out of six people on food stamps now, and he’s a moderate? Bernie Sanders? 😆 😆

    Is this topic for real, or just a dead skunk on the coffee table intended as conversation piece – something to load faster?

    but there is no doubt the man volunteered for the crappiest job in the country and he has done a decent job of keeping things afloat.

    Kept it afloat? WTF? How long did it take you dream this shit up? President CORPSEMAN and his useless cabinet are like molten lead hooked to the ass end of America. What part of unsustainable do you not understand? Our nation’s head is bobbing underneath the wake.

    Rutherford has morphed into Densico – must be the hotel room.

  3. Rutherford, if you have a serious bone in your body, and you really want objectivity about what is best for the future of your child.

    If you have ever read one of my links, at least read this one. It clearly lays out that not only has Obama not kept us “afloat” as you suggest, his administration has killed the golden goose and lied in the process.

    You better hope O’Bama loses in 2012 – for you sake as well as the nation’s. There won’t be anything for you to hide behind soon, and even you won’t be able lie big enough to cover the failure.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304657804576401883172498352.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

  4. I like Rutherford and the realization that Obama is pretty much the President Present we said he’d be can’t be easy for him to admit. I don’t want to kick the guy while he is certainly down so I’ll just say “good post” and hope that he doesn’t have too much more trouble with his relocation efforts.

  5. The first step is admitting you have a problem. The problem is Obama, not “our” cult of personality. 😆

    You’re almost there grasshopper.

    In the meantime, I hope you tacked-up the chicken wire. Here come the bottles.

  6. Doh! Looked right over Gorilla’s and BiW’s comments in my zeal to respond. Well, I might be dumb, but at least not vote-for-Obama dumb.

  7. Anybody ever wondered what Rutherford’s ideas of progress really are? Since we know with crumbling infrastructure, a horrid jobs market, record low consumer confidence, consumer staples including gas at hyperinflation rates, and the writing on the wall the end of days for borrowing, it can’t be financial “progress” we’ve made under Obama.

    If it is the social mores Rutherford speaks, take a look around gang and tell me truthfully how much “progress” we’ve made with flash mobs, epidemic teen suicide, rampant incurable STDs, gang warfare, failing public school systems, overcrowded prison systems, crack, meth, ecstacy…

    The only thing that has “progressed” best I can see since we decided to loosen up a lot, tune out and turn on starting about 50 years ago, is a quick progression to chaos and bankruptcy.

    Liberals keep assuring us things get are looking up. What was it Ugly Kay was always fond of saying Rutherford? Don’t piss down my leg and tell me it is raining?

  8. The problem for Rutherford is that, as a (former?) member of the cult, he does not recognize that it’s the ideological failings of liberalism more than the man. Most of the disenchanted libs I have spoken with seem to really only be looking for a new idol to worship while simultaneously marching to the beat of the same drummer, completely ignorant of the depth of the crisis. Just listen to them. Spend, spend, spend and raise taxes. Government largess being a sign of victory.

    Why does the left have an almost organic “need” to worship at the alter of a charismatic leader?

  9. Well, I might be dumb, but at least not vote-for-Obama dumb.

    Really? What “smart” candidate did you pull for?

    …, take a look around gang and tell me truthfully how much “progress” we’ve made with flash mobs, epidemic teen suicide, rampant incurable STDs, gang warfare, failing public school systems, overcrowded prison systems, crack, meth, ecstacy…

    Yeah, amazing how these “new” symptoms have cropped up in the past 2.5 years. 🙄

  10. Really? What “smart” candidate did you pull for?

    Huh? I voted for someone that was NOT Obama. But I guess it’s safe to assume that Obama voted for himself, so he would also be vote-for-Obama dumb.

    Ahhh, now I see your point. . . I doubt my guy voted for Obama, so that would make him “smart.” 🙄

    So how’s he worked out for you Poolman? Did you get what you voted for? (that’s rhetorical — of course you did, an inexperienced, ineffective, ego-maniacal, divisive ideologue).

  11. I doubt my guy voted for Obama, so that would make him “smart.”

    Are you referring to yourself in the third person? Kind of Bob Dole – esk, eh? Is that your final answer?

    In answer to your question: The Obama (candidate) I voted for is not the same Obama (president). The one I pulled for switched identities sometime after January 09. The candidate Obama may have been a faux persona. Not really the kind of “change” I was “hoping” for…

  12. Word is that Obama was taking too much advice from ….you know….his advisers, and that’s why most of his first term has suffered from a bad case of The Suck.

    But rest assured, Rutherford. Obama has now decided to “go with his gut” from now on.

    This fucking elitist is now too damn smart for his own advisers! The next step is for him to dismiss his cabinet.

    Considering past praise like this, the whole thing is friggen hilarious.

    Just another in a LOOOOOOONG string of vindication for the guy who was supposed to go down in history as America’s worst president.

  13. Since you’ve fallen prey to your own illogic, yes that’s my final answer. It’s your interpretation of it that’s flawed.

    As for the change of identity, please elaborate. He turned out to be the exact same person I expected him to be. Did you think somebody with no executive experience or past accomplishments was capable of walking on water? I know Rutherford did. I mean he was awarded a Nobel Prize you know?

  14. Good post Rutherford,
    Let’s stick to the point R is trying to make.

    “In short, there seems something undemocratic in anointing Obama the nominee without challenge, without debate, without discussion of alternatives.”

    Isn’t this just an unwritten rule or am I mistaken? Apparently we are all in agreement that Obama just wasn’t the Man! Welcome to the club, Rutherford.So why keep beating a dead horse. Seems to me this country should be looking desperately to find someone, somewhere, somehow, that can turn this country around. It will take a lot of power to take this country back from the power mongers that sit in Congress and Wall Street. Does someone with this kind of power exist?

    So far I just see looney tunes. Boy, if ever the right and left needed to band together, it is now.

    Rutherford, hang in there. Been there done that. You will survive the hotel!

  15. Raji, the back and forth is not off-topic when the larger problem is repetition. Poolman and R seem to be in agreement that Obama wasn’t the man they thought. It’s obvious to everyone that they got caught up in the hype and messianic bullshit that defined his campaign. “Challenge, debate, and discussion of alternatives” is meaningless if predicated on the same criteria that stuck us with this guy for 4 years, i.e. feel-good promises above effective policy.

  16. “but there is no doubt the man volunteered for the crappiest job in the country and he has done a decent job of keeping things afloat.”-R

    Keep us a float?

    That line right there says it all, folks.

    At the most pivotal, crucial time in American economic history, we’ve now had two Presidents consecutively fire head shots with a .45 at Capitalism.

    At a time when austerity was the only hope, Obama decided to make us debt slaves.

    What, you’re telling me Obama is some brave but flawed soul navigating tough times?

    As he tries to enslave our sons and daughters?

    Do you not realize what he has decided to do to children of this country?

    How much did you think we spent last night in Libya, alone?

    Shhhhhh…..50 will be slaughtered in Damascus this Friday.

    Obama told us he will just be cool to Iran. Literally he will be cool and hip with them. I saw the debate!

    They fired off missals capable of delivering war heads today.

    Gather around kids. Look at the debt, look at the interest rates and look at FED policy. Now look at ALL the government waste.

    What’s that?

    You see a massive iceberg?

    Borrowing is the death of this country. It will be the great regret of the greatest nation in world history.

    Don’t worry, we have Mit fucking Romney.

    You know your screwed when the “other” guy ruined health care and broke his state, too. A guy who plainly admits the printing will continue.

    I haven’t wanted to punch a hair helmet off since the days of Edwards.

    Austerity and a deep, but hasty Depression is all that can save us. And I don’t even think many of the staunchest fiscal conservatives have the sand to handle that.

    “OUR cult-of-personality expectations.”

    At least Rutherford still has a sense of humor. I suppose we all wanted to join the Heaven’s Gate cult for the thrilling space ship ride, too.

  17. Let’s stick to the point R is trying to make.

    What, and break with tradition? 🙂

    As usual Raji has a great contribution. The frustration I am trying to express in this post (perhaps unsuccessfully) is that I don’t like the idea that in order to pick someone other than Obama, I have to vote Republican. That just shouldn’t be the case.

    I’ll save comments for the other comments for later in the day. Today the big van pulls up to grab my furniture. 🙂

  18. Since you’ve fallen prey to your own illogic, yes that’s my final answer. It’s your interpretation of it that’s flawed.

    This appears a typical deflection of responsibility that seems to plague many in your generation. My question in 12 is clear. Your understanding and response to it is convoluted.

    And regarding Obama’s change of identity, I am not alone in my assessment. Many have pointed to the inconsistencies. I voted for the guy who promised:

    To end these neocon wars,
    promote complete government transparency,
    provide single-payer health insurance for everyone,
    renew our international respect and reputation,
    rein in corporate abuse,
    etc…

    Obviously, one mortal man can have very little impact on the pre-determined path that this beast is on. AFA “walking on water” is concerned, I believe anyone can perform that feat given the right amount of faith.

  19. Best comment on the board so far. Best since Huck’s fabulous analogy some weeks back.

    Most of the disenchanted libs I have spoken with seem to really only be looking for a new idol to worship while simultaneously marching to the beat of the same drummer, completely ignorant of the depth of the crisis. Just listen to them. Spend, spend, spend and raise taxes. Government largess being a sign of victory.

    Exactly right Tigre. And that’s the problem with our otherwise bright friend Rutherford and some of lesser sidekicks. It can’t be that Obama is exactly the man he promised to be. For an entire year, Obama and his corrupted Chicago lynch men had complete control and shoved through one bad policy after another. The last three years have been Keynesian liberalism at its best. Bush was only Keynesian light – then has been balls out, nut busting big government. And it has failed miserably. Anybody that even begins to dispute that is deluded and not to be taken seriously anymore.

    These progressives like Rutherford don’t want to admit it’s the content of their ideas that is bad. It’s got to be just not the right man, or not the right time, or the not right set of circumstances, or the wrong situation, or the mess inherited.

    Well Obama campaigned with the intent and promise of fixing all these things. He took a bad situation and made it catastrophic.

    Ironically, all those things that made liberals like Rutherford, Poolman, and Flake wail and gnash their teeth over Bush (i.e. unwinnable wars or GITMO ring a bell), Obama has only followed suit or doubled down – mostly to no criticism, demonstrating yet again the unmitigated gall and unmatched hypocrisy of the left.

    Obama is the best the Dimocratic party has got…there is no close second. And Obama is an abject disaster, as is the Dimocratic party.

    We better figure out a way quick to separate ourselves from these hacks, or we will be going down with them. And I have no intention of following the same path simply because of shared birthright of a bunch of clueless rubes and dimwits.

  20. Tex, thanks for the recognition. But the best comment on the board so far was penned by Rabbit:

    “At least Rutherford still has a sense of humor. I suppose we all wanted to join the Heaven’s Gate cult for the thrilling space ship ride, too.”

    Priceless. 😆 😆

  21. “This appears a typical deflection of responsibility that seems to plague many in your generation. My question in 12 is clear. Your understanding and response to it is convoluted.”

    You’re rubber and I’m glue. . .

    “My generation. . . ” Pfffft! What is “my” generation Old Sage?

  22. Gorilla, that was me, not Huck. Quit pimping your post (although it is a good one!). My point is a little different than Morris’. Tex restated it well.

  23. Poolman, I was taking about the voter, not the candidate. Go smuggly vote for Obama again — the “smart” choice. . . or more properly the “only” choice, right? 🙄

  24. Tigre,

    Tex, thanks for the recognition. But the best comment on the board so far was penned by Rabbit: “At least Rutherford still has a sense of humor. I suppose we all wanted to join the Heaven’s Gate cult for the thrilling space ship ride, too.”

    Brother Rabbit is so damn funny, I kind of take him for granted anymore. I could insert laugh marks through virtually every Rabbit post.

    If somebody were to ask me how would I define Rabbit, it would be, “Dead Rabbit is to nuance what a bulldozer is to gardening.”

  25. Since it has become obvious to me already, especially from the gawd awful Fake rube amongst others, if Sarah Palin doesn’t enter the Presidential election, Michelle Bachmann is the new target of ridicule.

    I would like to point out to something…about how historically ignorant the leftist media really is. Do you hear me Chris Matthews or George Stephanopoulus?

    Lincoln Said It Best: The Founding Fathers Opposed Slavery

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/george-stephanopoulos-historically-illiterate_575904.html?nopager=1

    But then Lincoln was nothing but a low sloping forehead. ~ Glenn Reynolds

  26. Loved the “low sloping foreheads” in response to criticism of New Jersey. Fucking New Jersey. Home of the elite Jersey Shore intellectuals.

  27. The frustration I am trying to express in this post (perhaps unsuccessfully) is that I don’t like the idea that in order to pick someone other than Obama, I have to vote Republican.

    No, you don’t have to.

    I’m pretty sure that the Socialists, the Communists, and the Workers World Party all put candidates on the ballot.

  28. El Tigre at 28,

    I will vote Ron Paul, if he is on the ballot. Yeah, the guy with 2 first names. Unfortunately, unless he runs as the republican candidate, I don’t think he will stand a chance. Unfortunately, the only thing worse than voting democratic this time around will be voting republican. Of course, it may be time to let this democratic experiment totally crash and burn. The republicans have proved time and again they know how to kick it into overdrive, no matter the road conditions.

  29. Poolman, you should vote for Obama 2012. Ron Paul won’t be a candidate, unless it’s 3rd party. Truly, you’re one of the better fits for the Dimocratic party. Seriously.

    You got most of the bases covered, and you’ll need the social justice soon when the second bubble collapses.

    Food stamps and unemployment benefits are the fastest way to jump start the economy.

  30. Michele Bachmann is probably extremely intelligent. That must be how she is able to pull off ignorance so well and so convincingly. It takes cunning to deceive so many for so long and with a straight face. She knows the electorate is dumb and anti-elitist.

  31. Loved the “low sloping foreheads” in response to criticism of New Jersey. Fucking New Jersey. Home of the elite Jersey Shore intellectuals.

    Isn’t that the truth? If there’s a Snooki of politics, it’s not Sarah Palin.

    It’s Bill Maher. Irrelevant, nasty and bad comic.

  32. That CISCO option has performed nicely. Just waiting for the lay off announcement and the pop.

    I have a slight bad feeling about the market tomorrow, though.

    I hope I’m wrong because I don’t feel like hanging on to this option for more then a week.

  33. Well Tex, I have voted for a lot more republicans in my life than democrats. Probably 5 to 1 odds. So if the notion was to even the score, I will likely have to vote democratic from here on out.

    I really don’t think it matters who you or I vote for. It’s like a placebo. It only gives the impression you have any input. It reminds me of those old rides that use to clutter the entrances to grocery and department stores. You put a quarter in, get bucked around awhile, and before you know it, it’s done. It just sits there wanting more money to perform the same tired routine. Meanwhile, you haven’t accomplished a thing and know you’re a few bits shorter.

  34. Well Tex, I have voted for a lot more republicans in my life than democrats. Probably 5 to 1 odds. So if the notion was to even the score, I will likely have to vote democratic from here on out.

    I’m just speaking from a 3rd party observation. You’re much closer to a Dimocrat than to a Republican – past history not relevant to the now. I just think a person should vote his convictions, and IMO your convictions are purely Dimocratic. That’s why you need to vote for Obama 2012 if Paul doesn’t make it.

    But your political convictions are definitely nihilist and Dimocratic: America is basically evil, imperialistic, suspicious and not trustworthy; there is nothing particularly redeeming or edifying about our country; Muslim sympathizer and proponent; believer in big government and Planned Parenthood. Those are definitely Dimocratic tenets.

    And then, food stamps and unemployment benefits are the fastest way to jump start the economy. Straight out of the Obama/Pelosi playbook.

    Really, I don’t understand why you are not campaigning for him.

  35. Food stamps and unemployment benefits are the fastest way to jump start the economy.

    Hey, that’s what Nancy Pelosi says too!

    Of course, it may be time to let this democratic experiment totally crash and burn.

    You mean the Democrat’s experiment of deliberately messing with the structure of government, and then loudly complaining about how it doesn’t work right?

  36. That must be how she is able to pull off ignorance so well and so convincingly.

    Poolman has a point there. Bachmann says such blatantly stupid sh*t and then doubles down on it that I truly think she is deliberately f*cking with the media and her supporters are in on the joke. I’ll read the Lincoln crap later but it will be meaningless. The founding fathers did not end slavery and trying to dig up quotes to prove they did makes you a bigger idiot than Bachmann could ever be. 👿

  37. Dead Rabbit I do hope you’re enjoying profiting off others misery (i.e. laid off employees). Makes you not much better than the profit obsessed suits ruining lives. 😦

  38. If you walked down the stairs into my musty ass basement, you would only see the back of my head as I pet my cat and I sit in my leather swivel chair, plotting my next move.

    No….seriously…..I am.

    Mowawawawawawawa!

    But if it makes you feel better the Dead Rabbit says don’t lay people off.

    …..chirp…..chirp…crickets…..chirp.

  39. Mmmm I seem to recall Weiner tweeting a picture of him petting a cat (or a pussy to more accurately describe his metaphor). Might want to watch that petting Rabbit. Take heed!

    Hey I know you think you’re beating “the man” at his own game. Just be nice to know that your conscience is kicking in once in a while.

  40. I’ll read the Lincoln crap later but it will be meaningless. The founding fathers did not end slavery and trying to dig up quotes to prove they did makes you a bigger idiot than Bachmann could ever be.

    ** HA HA HA HA HAW HAW HAW**

    Well hell no, we wouldn’t want to take direct and historically recorded Abraham Lincoln speech at his word when we’ve got Bill Maher and Rutherford as arbiter of truth.

    I take it the move didn’t go well, ey? 🙂

    Eat a stale pop tart from the continental breakfast this morning and come back to the board when your head is screwed on straight and the glucose level situated.

    It was David Carr not Glenn Reynolds who talked about low sloping foreheads. Get your quotes right.

    You’re shitting me? Is that a fact?

    When did you move from simple rube to stuck on stupid? That was the point douche bag!!!! Glenn Reynolds was invoking the David Carr insight to signify the idiocy of the Carr’s quote, being Lincoln was a “flyover.”

    Damn, what did the movers do. Lose the dildo, or something? I haven’t seen you this fired up since Palin called Obama on his millions of lies and broken promises.

  41. ROTFLMAO Tex you guessed right brother. I’m blasting missiles from my iPhone while sitting in my garage watching my “stuff” (to quote Carlin) being loaded. I tossed a 1970’s TV in the dumpster today. Your life zipping by right in front of you. You’re right dude. Rather than foul up this board with my mood I oughta go to Twitter for some primal scream therapy. 🙂

  42. Man, its not exactly easy finding a FOREX platform that’s legit. Some of this shit is shady and for total suckers. It’s like the bad neighborhood of investment.

    It will be a couple months practicing and researching these mafiosos before they get 2 pips out of me.

    The Dead Rabbit likes long shots but not getting shot and robbed.

    This shit has an illegal poker gambling site feel to it.

    Anyone here ever dabble?

  43. I practically grew up at the race track.

    My old man wasn’t always into really explaining things to us. But, he did take the time to teach me an important lesson.

    When harness racing was still big and the track packed, everyone knew my Dad as he was a regular. He’s also a bad ass handicapper. He can pick winners better then anyone I’v ever seen. (As in the horse that finishes 1st)

    Anyways, he would only loan money to 3 or 4 track buddies. I remember once sitting with him when he turned down a dude for a loan. The guy made the mistake of asking twice and my Dad told him to go get fucked.

    That kind of adult conflict is fascinating (and a little scary) to a 7 year old. So, I instantly asked my Dad why he treated what I thought was his friend so crappy.

    He answered by giving me a psychological break down on every degenerate he knew in the stands.

    I need to thank him for that one day.

    Anyways, these currency traders remind me of those degenerates. They all blame the platforms themselves for their losses. This makes picking a legit platform even more difficult.

  44. Rabbit, your father sounds like a hoot. I still laugh about rounding the bases while the old man lay half dead on the mound.

    ———–

    I been doing a little interesting reading tonight concerning Politifact – this “Pulitzer Prize” winning “fact check” organization always dragged out by rank leftist propagandists like Bob Schieffer that continues to find “Pants on Fire” lies about the Republican candidates. So I went looking.

    Fact: Politifact is a branch of the St. Petersburg Times
    Fact: The St. Petersburg Times is rated the most liberal of Florida’s remaining newspapers.

    😈 I didn’t know that. So I guess what we’ve got here is Goebbel’s modern day libs creating from Pravda, professional sounding and objective reporting. Libs bundling lib lies under the guise of fact checking. 😆 Unbelievable. When I read somebody has won a Pulitzer, I immediately suspect complete bullshit, like those Hollywood Shill Award shows on every weekend.

    Libs, I think my lucky stars everyday for the internet.

  45. Rabbit, it’s a shame you didn’t ask your FOREX question a couple of years ago when I was more knowledgeable about this stuff.

    My advice FWIW is go to an established trading site like Scottrade and see if they offer any FOREX trading. If a trading site is reputable for “normal trading” then you should be able to trust if for FOREX.

  46. St. Petersburg Florida is very conservative, Tex. I’m not certain about the Times. They did recently co-sponsor GOP presidential primary debates, not that that reflects any bias. They have been recognized as nonpartisan.

    My mom first sent me the link to Politifact back before the 2008 election. She is a diehard republican. I don’t think she has ever pulled for a democrat. They were keeping track of all the “truth” and “lies” spewed by politicians and pundits. They seemed pretty fair overall, from what I could tell. Of course, a lot of these news sources do not always remain under the same ownership. Sometimes they start out innocent and develop a bias over time.

  47. OK I’ve read the Lincoln stuff and frankly we’ve got another example of the Palin Paul Revere foolishness. Bachmann may have known what she was talking about (I doubt it) and simply botched the communication of it. The fact remains that the founding fathers did not work tirelessly to end slavery, nor does Lincoln put it that way.

    The founding fathers used language and apparently invoked some legislation to curtail slavery but they by no means made any gains in actually ending it. For Bachmann to double down by citing John Quincy Adams as her example when he wasn’t a founding father just makes her look more stupid..

    Again, I’m willing to give Bachmann the benefit of the doubt and say she knew more about Lincoln’s speeches than I did. I will even go so far as to say she knew all the actions that the founding fathers took regarding slavery. Unfortunately she shared her knowledge using a ridiculous generalization that only confirmed the belief by many that she’s “a flake”. Fortunately she and Palin have you chivalrous dudes to defend her honor by doing your research on what “she meant to say”. Bravo gentlemen!

  48. Politifact is the respected objective source for truth telling and they have busted conservatives and liberals alike for telling tall tales.

    Sorry Tex, you’re just plain wrong on this one.

  49. I voted for the guy who promised:

    To end these neocon wars,
    promote complete government transparency,
    provide single-payer health insurance for everyone,
    renew our international respect and reputation,
    rein in corporate abuse,

    A very honest and well put assessment by Poolman. This is why a number of liberals like myself have trouble giving Obama a glowing review. However on the first point, Obama always said he wanted to keep the fight going in Afghanistan.

  50. Rutherford, you’re right. He did say Afghanistan was the righteous war that we lost focus on and he would get in there and get the job done. I guess that is also why he made such a big deal about the recent supposed OBL takedown. That was Obama’s “Mission Accomplished” moment and photo opportunity.

  51. “At least Rutherford still has a sense of humor. I suppose we all wanted to join the Heaven’s Gate cult for the thrilling space ship ride, too.”

    Did you know that they found two more dead Heaven’s Gate cultists last week?

    They were in the kitchen.

    Under the sink.

    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    Behind the Comet.

    (rim shot)

    Doc

  52. Poolman opined, somewhat tongue-in-cheek: “Michele Bachmann is probably extremely intelligent.”

    Yep, if I am sure of anything, I’m sure of that. She’s definitely smart. But then again, so was Tomás de Torquemada.

    This is the gal who thinks everything would be just hunky-dory if we just had a little theocracy in our lives – since after all, that’s how the Founding Fathers REALLY intended it and they just screwed up and let that little Constitution thing get in the way – but with enough prayer and good candidates, by God we can FIX that.

    Right. Ain’t no way I am going to sit on the sidelines and let ANY Dominionist get a free pass on her way to power. I’ll be on her ass like a duck on a June bug – count on it.

  53. PF, don’t quit your day job.

    R, any thoughts on Obama’s scolding yesterday? Halperin said he was a dick. I already thought that. But Halperin’s a so-called “analyst” on MSNBC, you know? Yet this morning the brilliant Bubbles Brzezinski and Howard Ye-haw Dean loved it. Apparently it’s that Obama tough talk that appeals to his base — and repulses those with brains. What say you?

    As for fact check:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-missing-facts-in-president-obamas-news-conference/2011/06/29/AGpQMPrH_blog.html?hpid=z2

  54. PF, you lost me with “this is the gal who thinks everything would be just hunky-dory if we just had a little theocracy in our lives – since after all, that’s how the Founding Fathers REALLY intended it and they just screwed up and let that little Constitution thing get in the way – but with enough prayer and good candidates, by God we can FIX that.”

    I hadn’t paid much attention to her. So my question is from a standpoint of ignorance and is sincere.

    What the hell are you talking about?

  55. “Palin have you chivalrous dudes to defend her honor by doing your research on what “she meant to say”. Bravo gentlemen!”

    Be cool, Rutherford. You are not alone here. I’ll be on the “gentlemen’s” asses like a duck on June bugs, too. You’re not alone. Besides, when one comes right down the middle, it is immoral to not swing for the fences – and certainly Palin and Bachmann are plum balls for anyone.

    I have to agree with fakename: it must be terrifically tiring – exhausting even – to be committed to defending the indefensible, untwisting and explaining the convoluted, trying to put the lettuce in the word salads back on the stalk. It seems to me to be a lot easier to simply admit someone is a goofy-ass and move on – even if they are ReBiblicans and you have sworn on your child’s life to always support ReBiblicans and decry Dimocrats. Certainly Bo has been disappointing, but lay him up against the possibility of a Palin or a Bachmann presidency and he looks positively – er, presidential.

  56. El Tigre –

    re: What the hell are you talking about?

    I thought I had posted this before:

    ‘ Bachmann honed her view of the world after college, when she enrolled at the Coburn Law School at Oral Roberts University, an “interdenominational, Bible-based, and Holy Spirit-led” school in Oklahoma. “My goal there was to learn the law both from a professional but also from a biblical worldview,” she said in an April speech.

    At Coburn, Bachmann studied with John Eidsmoe, who she recently described as “one of the professors who had a great influence on me.” Bachmann served as his research assistant on the 1987 book Christianity and the Constitution, which argued that the United States was founded as a Christian theocracy, and that it should become one again. “The church and the state have separate spheres of authority, but both derive authority from God,” Eidsmoe wrote. “In that sense America, like [Old Testament] Israel, is a theocracy.”’

    Yee – hah! This is like shooting the proverbial fish in a barrel. Not really very sportsmanlike because it’s so damned easy, but what the hell – it has to be done.

  57. Oh geeze Poolman, it’s the Neo-nazi posts that have reminded me of how truthful you can be. I’ll take your word for it about how the St. Petersburg Times is “Conservative.” cough cough A double roll…

    🙄 🙄

    St. Petersburg Florida is very conservative, Tex. I’m not certain about the Times. They did recently co-sponsor GOP presidential primary debates, not that that reflects any bias. They have been recognized as nonpartisan.

    Haw. Been recognized by shills like you Rutherford – like MSNBC is truthful and objective. Good grief. Your claims are getting lamer by the day. I just read last night dozens of proofs that Politifact itself has been busted for getting the facts wrong.

    Politifact is one-sided bullshit poseur and another tool for lying hacks. There is nobody above bias anymore, and I’m calling bullshit once again. Telling me a liberal paper can magically “check facts” and become fair when renamed is like telling me a leopard is changing spots, or zebra changing stripes.

    It’s insulting, patronizing that libs now think people are that stupid.

  58. Pfesser, you need to get back into that perverted rot from which you crawled in 2008 and “ride” the Obama Orgy Train again. Cut the mealy-mouthed shit and man up – the only reason you are considering a political move is a larger part of your paycheck threatened by the jug-eared Kenyan Marxist and his Clydesdale of thieving wife you foolishly voted for in 2008. That’s your religion.

    One question out of curiosity?

    Where’s your insults of Rev. Jeremiah Wright? Or Louie Farrakhan? You’re concerns about their theocracy? Because unlike Michelle Bachmann, these two have demonstrated in force that they intend to have you crawling to Mecca with or without your permission once the rubes are removed. I kind of find myself hoping they are able to do away with all of us bible thumping Christians in a flash. I just hope I hang long enough to watch what the tolerant Mussies do to you. You’re going to look good Aladdin flops growing a stink beard, with your ass parked in the air wailing five times a day Taliban style.

    I’ll tell you what you really are Pfesser.

    You’re a fricking coward. A religious bigot that reserves his insults for the only group he knows won’t steam roll him. You’re probably a real bad ass around the Quakers and the Mennonites. 🙄

  59. Ahem…

    I said St Petersburg – the TOWN – is conservative. The Times is supposedly non-partisan.

    I guess to anyone reading Pajamas media and WND, everything else falls to the left. I tried explaining that to you before. You are a poor example of one to recognize political/ideological neutrality, as everything opposed to your position falls to your left.

    Like a new water hose that’s been rolled and packaged from the factory, it is difficult to straighten and damn near impossible to coil it counter to what it was. That’s your mind, bubba. You’ve been hosed. 😀

  60. “Yee – hah! This is like shooting the proverbial fish in a barrel. Not really very sportsmanlike because it’s so damned easy, but what the hell – it has to be done.”

    Huh? Your hyperbolic observations about Bachman’s desire for a theocracy, that you put me in my place somehow, or something else? Your assumptions about legal academics tells me you don’t what you’re talking about. Even if you were ultimately correct about Bachman’s beliefs, what you’ve pointed to isn’t proof of shit other than your biased beliefs about her.

    So, fire away! I’ll bring the tartar sauce.

  61. Ahem,

    I said St Petersburg – the TOWN – is conservative. The Times is supposedly non-partisan.

    Tulsa is a predominately Conservative town. The Tulsa World is a self-described leftist rag of Obama talking points, as are 98% of newspapers that are still in existence while circling the bowl.

    There are no “non-partisan” editorial boards left, as that not human nature. I use that as example so that you might infer this point. I forget who I am trying to explain this to – connecting the dots is not your strength.

    St Petersburg is a liberal newspaper. The city and demographic are irrelevant because “the town” is not Politifact. Get it?

    The only thing hosed in your own life – look around sport and you’ll see that your flow is down to a trickle. 😀

    Tally Ho…

  62. Poolman, you really are a treasure trove of misplaced analogies. However, I do like them and will use them in appropriate contexts without attribution. 😆

  63. Tigre,

    I think the reason I continue to be the only one that bothers to reply to Poolman’s posts is that he is such an object of conflicting curiosities: like his propensity for repeated bible thumping preaching, linked to Jew hating white supremacist sites. 😕

    Like a train wreck, how can you not jump at a chance to examine that?

    My only personal complaint is that every time I read one Poolman’s posts, I can’t get the tune of Dueling Banjos out of my head.

  64. We already knew Timothy Geithner a congenital liar, a prerequisite to work for O’Bama, but:

    Bipartisan Study Confirms: Default In Geithner’s Hands. “The Bipartisan Policy Center released a Debt Ceiling Analysis today showing that even if Congress does not raise the debt ceiling by August 2nd, the federal government would still have enough incoming revenue to pay: all interest on Treasury securities (thus avoiding default), all Social Security obligations, all Medicare and Medicaid obligations, all Defense contractor bills, all Veterans payments, and all active duty troops, and still have almost $7 billion left over for other items. . . .

    Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner does not have to decide whether or not he wants to default on our debt until August 15th. That is the day that the Treasury is obligated to pay $29 billion in interest on previously issued debt.”

  65. ““Palin have you chivalrous dudes to defend her honor by doing your research on what “she meant to say”. Bravo gentlemen!””

    I can’t help but be reminded of the days when candidate Obama had gangs of apologists follow him around telling us all what he meant when he said “such and such” yesterday. Back then it was described as “nuance,” and that some of us clingy, backward idiots just weren’t able to “digest” it.

    Speaking of what Obama said yesterday. The motherfucker was such a dick, even people on MSNBC noticed!

  66. Good footnote to, once again pointing to blatant double standards of “civility”:

    Just saw the Halperin suspension reported on CNN (11:54 a.m. EST), they said it was a “word beginning with D”. Can somebody tell me how many people at CNN or MSNBC were suspended for calling Tea Party members “Teabaggers”?

    Rutherford, do you recall how many were suspended?

    Never mind the fool was right for once. 🙂 I probably would have chosen a different word, though. Feel free to add your own description of O’Bama:

    Alabama black snake – anaconda – anal impaler – baby arm – baby maker – bald-headed yogurt slinger – baloney pony – big Dick and the twins – big Italian salami – bologna pony – bone – boner – bratwurst – bud – cack – cheese – choad – chode – chub – chup – chut – cock – cornholer – cut – dick – dick smalls – ding-a-ling – ding dong – dingis – dinky – dipstick – doder – doinker – domepiece – dong – dork – D, the – D train – get it up – gut wrench – hard-on – helmet – hockey cocky – hog – hooded – jimber – jimmy – johnson – joystick – kielbasa – knob – lady boner – Long Dong Silver – love muscle – love shaft – love stick – main vein – man muscle – meat popsicle – meat thermometer – member – middle leg – monster – Mr. Happy – Mr. Winky – ol’ one-eye – one-eyed monster – one-eyed snake – one-eyed trouser snake – packer – patz – pecker – peen – peeper – peeter – Peter – piece – pink tractor beam – plonker – pocket rocket – polaroid – pole – prick – pud – purple-headed soldier – purple headed solider man – purple-headed warrior – putz – rod – Russell the love muscle – salami – sausage – schlong – schlort – schmeckel – schwartz – sconge – shaft – shlittle – shlong – shrinkage – skin flute – steamin’ semen roadway – tallywacker – tally whacker – tent pole – third leg – throbber – tonsil tickler – tool – trouser meat – trouser snake – tube steak – wang – wanker – wankie – wee – weenie – wee wee – weiner – whang – who who dilly – widger – wiener – willy – winky – yogurt slinger

  67. They told me that if I voted for John McCain reporters on Morning Joe would be calling the POTUS a dick on national TV…

    We all know that the guy’s real sin was taking the pResident’s cock out of his mouth long enough to say that he didn’t like the way that it tastes.

    If he’d kept it out a few minutes longer, he might have chastized Chrissy Tingles Matthews for leaving his onion and bourbon flavored slobber all over it.

  68. Gorilla, is that Michele Bachmann “singing” in 67?

    looks similar… waisted talent… performing in a double-wide…

    Sounds like a little Bachmann turn her over jive.

  69. Sorry Tigre.

    It was that rattling sound of Dueling Banjos playing loudly in my head again after reading Poolman’s responses that caused me to fog over…

    After reading #96, the music started all over again.

  70. After years of these thought police, food police, speech police, and man hating shrew police like Fake, I am so tickled these limp leftist “dicks” like this Mark Halperin and Turtle Weiner are getting burned by their own set of rules.

    For years, these political hacks have parsed, twisted, weaseled, propagandized.

    And now that Bongo has stepped on a few of their pet issues, they slip and get busted by their own slimy rules of politically correct justice.

    Did you see that limp noodle almost break down and cry when he apologized. What a worm! 😆

  71. Well, if PMSLSD and TIME give him the boot, he might actually have to work for a living. Any paid talking head would be horrified by the prospect.

    Well, Mark could always put that “mouth to work” there in Washington. Consider it a “lateral position change” of sorts. I’m sure there’s a great demand, considering the multitude of flakes, fruits and queers rustling in the weeds.

    Look up Anthony Weiner, Mark. Sounds like he is in the market for a “helping hand” and roommate. 😉

  72. Game on Rutherford.

    I told you this was the man to rip Obama a new sphincter and expose that charlatan on the steps of the Congressional Building for everyone to see. Not some fat, white old man. I can hardly wait to watch the Jug-eared Kenyan have his words shoved down his toothy mouth. 🙂

    “When does it start to get better?” Rubio asks. “When does the magic of this president start to happen?” SNICKER…

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/270862/rubio-blasts-obama-left-wing-strong-man-robert-costa

    The answer unfortunately is somewhere right around around the corner…

  73. Senate democrats….Sasha and Malia’s teachers called to remind you that your assignment to turn in a budget is now 780 days overdue.

    They also reminded President Obama that his assignment to request war powers from congress is a few days overdue, as well.

    Let’s get it done, kids.

  74. Gorrilla now owns the championship belt for ultimate highjacking of the Rutherford Lawson blog.” – DR

    Two in the Pink!!!

  75. Two in the Pink!!! 😆 😆 😆

    Thanks Gorilla. I just spit iced tea all over my screen. . . from my nose.

  76. I just want to go on the record and say, “Obama’s a dick.”

    And I’m NOT sorry.

    (he really is juvenile)

  77. I have a fucking eye ulcer. Just got back from an emergency visit with the doc. FUCK!

    Day trading my FOREX practice account all night for 3 nights made a bad situation worse.

    Missing my softball game against our rivals. I was driving my little man to the beach when I had to turn around. I’m a vampire. I can’t take any sun light. My eye burns!!!!!

    The good news.

    Professor Rabbit has formed an hypothesis on the FOREX. So far, it has been Teflon. It’s well known, although I arrived at it on my own. It aint rocket science.

    A. When it comes to speculation, The FOREX is a reckless casino in all but two situations.

    1. You are rich, can afford massive stop losses and a macro-economic genius. You make a couple trades a year and go long.

    2. Scalping. You physically make money. You work for it.

    You employ a rigid set of rules that are NEVER broken. This will give you a great chance of making a play on what is, in fact, an over bought or sold trend.

    I simply won’t make a play if there hasn’t been 4 minutes of consecutive 60 second gains/losses. No matter what.

    Now, on the fifth minute, I utilize basic candle stick strategy (you can learn the basics in 15 minutes) and ONLY trade if the candlestick is a text-book trend-break indicator. Then, you hold the trade for seconds to a minute, selling very quickly after you hit the green line. If its really bumping in your favor, hold it a few more seconds. Anything more is gambling.

    Last night, I hit for 10/11.

    My most important bet I made last night was the one I loss. In prior nights I would hold them too long, hoping for a rebound. Now, after about 30 seconds (you have to give it some play) I throw a super low stop loss in.

    In about 6 hours I made 90 bucks. Yup, that’s it. I’m using the standard 100,000 dollar lot play. You would need about 2,500 in your account.

    If I can make this profitable for two months in my practice account, I’m in. Very stink beetle friendly plan.

    Concerns about the hypothesis:

    1. Flash crash oddities happen enough that by the end of the month, you are not profitable, despite batting .800.

    2. I’ve been lucky.

    3. I am not able to handle losing bets or losing days without veering from my plan.
    ________________________________________________
    38% on my Cisco call option in three days. She hasn’t even popped yet. The cocky Rabbit is disappointed, he likes more of a return for his clients over 60 hours.

  78. Disclaimer: All characters appearing in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

  79. Well yesterday’s lecture was a gagger.

    “They’re in one week, they’re out one week,” Obama said. “And then they’re saying, Obama has got to step in. You need to be here. I’ve been here. I’ve been doing Afghanistan and bin Laden and the Greek crisis. You stay here. Let’s get it done.”

    Urp.
    ___

    Rutherford, hope everything is going alright with the move.

  80. “They’re in one week, they’re out one week,” Obama said. “And then they’re saying, Obama has got to step in. You need to be here. I’ve been here. I’ve been doing Afghanistan and bin Laden and the Greek crisis. You stay here. Let’s get it done.”

    Being lectured about too many breaks by the Duffer-in-chief was a rich moment of irony.

    I’m wondering if he criticizes Titleist for the way the make their balls when he slices…

  81. Some stupid SOB just flipped off the prosecution in that Casey whatever the case. 😆

    This judge is laying that hammer to the dumb ass punk. Great stuff. Six days in jail and $663.00 fine. 😆

  82. “Where’s your insults of Rev. Jeremiah Wright? Or Louie Farrakhan? You’re concerns about their theocracy? Because unlike Michelle Bachmann, these two have demonstrated in force that they intend to have you crawling to Mecca with or without your permission once the rubes are removed.”

    Thanks for the softball question.

    Jeremiah and L.F – They are not even remotely in a position to hold public office. When they are, I’ll start in on them. Right now they are not even on my radar screen, because unlike yourself, I am able to focus laser-like on the primary target and ignore the distractions.

    That means for now I am focused on Bachmann (primarily) and the Right Reverend Huckleberry. Nothing complicated about it – I’m simply husbanding ammunition for the most important targets. Thank god they make it so easy.

    Don’t worry; we’ll get the Party back on track and the banish the hoopies out to the periphery – where they belong – once again. Trust me. It will happen. But until then, unless the ReBiblicans nominate Huntsman, it looks like Bo is all we got. He seems like a fucking idiot much of the time, but it’s simply the lesser of two evils.

  83. “I am able to focus laser-like on the primary target and ignore the distractions.”

    Like Palin’s family? 🙄

  84. Rutherford – You’ll appreciate this one:

    Late last summer, one of my old hippie friends who is homesteading in North Carolina had stopped by a roadside produce stand for some comestibles and was chatting with the proprietor.

    A Lexus with out-of-state plates came skidding to a stop on the two-lane road that ran in front of the stand, the passenger’s window rolled down and the driver’s female companion began berating the lady behind the stand something fierce. “I though this kind of thing was in the past here in the South. You should be ashamed of yourself! This would never be allowed (wherever they were from), &c &c…” – and went on for the better part of five minutes.

    Then they drove off. My friend and the proprietor just looked at each other in complete disbelief. What the hell….???

    As they were finally to the point of just deciding the people were crazy, my friend looked up at the sign over the stand:

    “NO COLLARDS”
    .
    .
    .

    Now I want somebody to tell me again how good American schools are…??

  85. PF, true story. My folks participated in a fund raising event that had a silent auction. A friend of the family with the last name Negro (pr: nay-grow) was assigned the position “inspector.” This was indicated on her name tag – “Negro, Inspector.” This event was attended by a group of girls, er — you ladies, from Wellesley College. The finger wagging and lecturing apparently went on for several minutes before the whole group decided to march out ion protest. No amount of explanation was going to stop them from enjoying their outrage despite the absurdity of their assumption.

    And Wellesley is considered one of our finer institutions. In fact, I believe it was Hillary’s Alma mater.

  86. Don’t worry; we’ll get the Party back on track and the banish the hoopies out to the periphery – where they belong – once again. Trust me. It will happen. But until then, unless the ReBiblicans nominate Huntsman, it looks like Bo is all we got. He seems like a fucking idiot much of the time, but it’s simply the lesser of two evils.

    Is this one of those “dodge ball” answers in return? Kind of like that triumphant “red herring” answer the other night, before you disappeared? That was a real dagger. 😀

    I can most assuredly guarantee you your prediction won’t come to fruition, and your Obama light Huntsman won’t sniff the competition. Your history is pretty vague if that is what you really are predicting. At best, you’ll be left with BO for Pres, who if we stay on track, will soon be forced take the only thing of value left to you – your money.

    If you care to wager some of that big cash you’ve made over the years about Jon Boy and give to me instead of BO, I’ll give you some real good solid odds right now and happily let you help pay for my vacation. This one doesn’t require the biology degree for discussion or proof. We can just wait until about the end of the summer. Do we have a bet? Let Rutherford handle the transaction anonymously with a skim off the top? He’s got my address if you care to make a wager. Let you pick the value…

    See, what you apparently have still not absorbed doctor, is you’re really out on an island with the rest of the irrelevant, irreligious misfits and bullying maggots that don’t stand hand-in-hand with Marxist causes. You might make up about 5% of the voting population, because most of the rest of irreligious lost flock doesn’t have your monetary interests at heart.

    And since I’ll assume you don’t have enough money for an inside with Bo, even with Little Bo Peep playing the Allah god card which apparently you have failed to recognize too, you’ll be one of the first on the list to be screwed. Either way this election falls, you’re gonna lose.

    Think of 2012 as a preview to your eternal “rest.”

  87. I see that Poolman posted a family portrait in #104. Is that your daddy, brother or son?

    That’s what I like about you Poolman – a straight shooter – family lineage included.

  88. If the Republican were smart (they’re not), they could put this class warfare argument to rest once and for all.

    Here’s what I would do if I were Republican King debating with these Dimocratic phonies.

    Agree to raise the tax rate on anything over a million bucks from 35% to 39.4%. If memory serves that was the Clinton tax rate. Close all the loopholes on corporate taxes. Stop the corporate subsidies, including anything green (wait until you hear the leftist wailing).

    And for every dollar collected at the new rate, for every dollar collected from the closed tax loopholes, for every dollar of subsidy saved, it has to be accompanied by an equal cut in government expenditures and every cent applied to paying the debt – managed by a 3rd private party outside the realm of the government/Fed.

    And you would hear Dimocratic jaws hit the floor when their bluff had been called.

    Why Republicans don’t make this proposal is troubling.

  89. And for every dollar collected at the new rate, for every dollar collected from the closed tax loopholes, for every dollar of subsidy saved, it has to be accompanied by an equal cut in government expenditures and every cent applied to paying the debt – managed by a 3rd private party outside the realm of the government/Fed.

    And you would hear Dimocratic jaws hit the floor when their bluff had been called.

    Why Republicans don’t make this proposal is troubling.

    1. When applied to the debt, you just aren’t talking about that much money. Its kind of like thinking that you can kill ever fish in the ocean simply by peeing in it one time. While it says a lot about the hubris of the person who might believe it, it makes you look kind of foolish to other people (the same could be said of the Dems who continue to talk this foolishness up as if it would make a difference and isn’t just class warfare ridden demagoggery uttered by unserious jacksasses.

    2. Not having the money has never stopped Dhimicrats from spending tit to buy votes and redistribute what doesn’t belong to them.

    Sorry, its just a non-starter.

  90. Ouch. That was a good one BIC. I guess I get so caught up in popping the boasts, I fail to acknowledge the most obvious fluff from the mouth.

    Now would Palin’s little boy be considered Hoopies, or would he be considered one of the important targets for husbanding ammunition?

    It gets so confusing trying to decipher the confused.

  91. When applied to the debt, you just aren’t talking about that much money. Its kind of like thinking that you can kill ever fish in the ocean simply by peeing in it one time.

    Of course. That’s my point BIC.

    That proposal amounts to a small fraction of a cent on a dollar of debt. It won’t do jack shit to reduce the debt. It’s like Obama’s pretentious corporate jet crap when that was part of his stimulus. That’s the point. My best guess would be that not only would it not lower the debt, but would increase the debt because millionaires and billionaires will cut and run.

    But it’s not a non-starter. It will expose the lie of the Dim’s arguments, and demonstrate of exactly how facetious these bastard’s bogus proposals really are. We could save exponentially more by simply implementing the audit that found $250Billion a year of waste and fraud that my Senator Tom Coburn has tried to have implemented. These thieving bastards like Harry Reid, Dick Durbin and John Kerry won’t even bring that to the floor. We can remove that obstacle in 2012 by winning the Senate.

    If my audience were made up of BIC, Rabbit and Tigre, it would be unnecessary to play this game. We know what needs to be done and it starts with chopping entire Depts. and stopping the growth of entitlements. But you know as well as I do that the normal citizen out there is far more concerned why gas is $3.75 a gallon than why Medicare will be insolvent in less than ten years.

  92. “He seems like a fucking idiot much of the time, but it’s simply the lesser of two evils.”

    The guy who was once seen as the savior of America is now seen as the lessor of 2 evils.

    And that change in public opinion came in less than 3 years.

  93. Gas here is 3.28, and we don’t even produce or refine it. Supposedly we have a “special blend” for the summer here and it generally costs more. But not now.

    None of you guys even give cutting “defense” a notion. There’s your major waste and the PRIMARY reason this country is in the shitter. Hell, the Pentagon has been unable to account for TRILLIONS. At least 3.4 Trillion. Kind of makes your 250 billion look like pocket change, GI. When the books can’t be balanced they just blow accounting apart with a missile. That’ll larn ’em. 😈

  94. Unfortunately the DNC did away with any real possibility of electing a true liberal candidate when they changed their primary rules in the 60’s. The process is about as undemocratic as it gets, and that’s the way they likes it.

  95. Poolman, I know you are not terribly worldly, but $3.28 would be at or near the lowest in the nation. Trust me. I can prove that by taking a little poll here if you wish. Drive out of the desert, and head until you hit the west coast. $4.00 a gallon. See….try one of those famous zipcodes from the TV you and your lovely Mrs. watch: 90210

    http://www.californiagasprices.com/Map_Gas_Prices.aspx

    There’s this thing called federal and state excise taxes, reformulated gasoline, and transportation costs. These terms are new to you, I know, but I give you your always staunch advice “google them.” 🙂

    Got no problems from me taking a good, hard look at the Pentagon. But like your life, your math is skewed. $3.4 Trillion didn’t occur in one year. $250Billion does.

    Try to balance that will you, before blowing smoke again?

  96. I’m unloading all my plays at the open. Should have already done it. I got a bad feeling about next week.

    This market is way too optimistic right now.

    As always, I sell my option for 400 bucks and watch it materialize into 3 grand in front of my face. But screw it, profit is profit.

  97. I’m still nailing this FOREX crap. I read in some book that it’s better not to play both ways. Jump on a longer term trend (3 hours or so) and then surf it on and off. Don’t try fucking with the mini down turns if the market is going up. I think this may be sound advice. I’m going to employ it starting Monday.

    I just saw the Euro slaughter the Dollar in the short term. Had I been more longer trend orientated in my thinking, I could have really nailed it for a couple grand and done with minimal risk.

    But, as my old man always says, if my uncle had tits he’d be my aunt.

  98. The weird thing is about scalping, in a strange way, it resembles my job tracking submarines in the Navy.

  99. OMG, Tex! Are those for real Miss America contestants? That is very scary. I hope they marry money. No wonder some of these politicians can gain some traction. 😦 I don’t know what to say…

    There has been some serious brain theft in the U S of A. The food, the water, the radiation, the media, the education system. Whatever. It has definitely taken a serious toll. Like many great civilizations, we are being taken down from within.

  100. I’m gonna make a general comment, because I don’t talk to white-power clowns.

    The DoD accounts for 5% of our budget. 5%. Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid account for 67% of the budget. 67%. Contrary to what the left would like the world to think, the DoD is actually the best managed of all of the departments in the federal government, with the best cost benefit. On top of that, the DoD actually has a Constitutional mandate to exist, contrary to most of the other departments in the federal government.

    The DoD has done more to advance society than HHS, DoE, and HUD combined. The internet, cell phones, microwave ovens and cable TV just a small representation of such.

    So I would just advise those reading that when you see random bullshit from clowns who have little connection with reality, to just take it with a grain of salt and realize that not everyone takes their medication on time…

  101. Oh my…

    But the main question from a strategic point of view is this: Does it make any difference, from the standpoint of the class and democratic struggles, which party gains political ascendency?

    Some — though not the labor movement nor other mass organizations of the American people — say no, it doesn’t.

    Some even go a step further and say a Democratic victory creates popular illusions, which in turn weaken the people’s struggles. And the only way out of this vise is to form a third party now.

    Communists don’t agree with either one of these views. In our view, the differences between the two parties of capitalism are of consequence to class and democratic struggles. . . .

    As for the wisdom of a third party, we have always advocated the formation of an independent people’s party at the core of which are the working class and labor, racially and nationally oppressed people, women, youth, immigrants, seniors, gay and straight, etc. It is essential for any deep-going social change. But its realization depends on more than our desire, more than our political-ideological attitude. Millions who have to be at the core of this party still operate under the umbrella of the Democratic Party, albeit increasingly in an independent fashion.

    Moreover, to separate ourselves at this moment from these forces would be contrary to our strategic policy of building maximum unity against right-wing extremism now and in next year’s elections.

  102. ‘“He seems like a fucking idiot much of the time, but it’s simply the lesser of two evils.”

    The guy who was once seen as the savior of America is now seen as the lessor of 2 evils.

    And that change in public opinion came in less than 3 years.’

    1) I don’t speak for the public; I speak only for myself. Some feel that way, some do not. I do.

    2) He was the lesser of evils (by far) in 2008. He may be again in 2012 – we’ll see.

  103. ???

    I live for this work, it’s the only work I’ve done, and I believe in it,” Mr. Geithner said in reply to a question from Mr. Clinton about his career plans. “I’m going to be doing it for the foreseeable future.”

  104. Poolman opined:
    “None of you guys even give cutting “defense” a notion. There’s your major waste and the PRIMARY reason this country is in the shitter.”

    Yep. And remember, although defense (Now there’s a term for you – what, exactly, are we defending in Iraq and Afghanistan?) is a necessity, financially it is a dead drag on the economy. The best thing that can happen to a missile or a bomb is that it rots into the ground through old age – at which point your “investment” is 100% down the tubes. The worst is that it is used, at which point YOUR investment is still down the tubes and it will in addition destroy the work and lives of many others.

    Joshua: Greetings, Professor Falken.
    Stephen Falken: Hello, Joshua.
    Joshua: A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess? (War Games, 1983 I believe)

    China is not playing (yet). We are. Who wins?

  105. re: investment strategies.

    This has been an interest of mine for the past thirty years and I have looked at a large representation of techniques.

    IMHO technical analysis is a loser’s game. Yes you can always go back and back-test your latest fetish, but you are creating your own well to jump down. Yes there may be some patterns to human buy-sell cycles, but nobody – including people smarter than you – has been able to harness it.

    Take a look at the greatest investor of all time, Mr. WB. He uses fundamental data and does his homework. It seems to work for him just fine. As he has said, “If the efficient-market model were valid, I’d be a bum on the streets with a tin cup” – something like that.

    As for me, I believe you make your money when you buy your stock, not when you sell it. Do your homework; have some familiarity with the company outside of the investing itself; spend more time than you would in selecting a new car at least. Do not buy or sell on tips.

    I’m on vacation right now at the beach and I am reading The Conscious Investor by Dr. John Price. He is a professor of “Financial Mathematics” in Australia and has studied Mssr. Buffett extensively. He is also a multimillionaire, having done so by the techniques I describe above.

    There is no short-cut to wealth. Study and do your homework and approach investing with discipline. Don’t day-trade. You will be fodder for those of us who don’t.

  106. Gorilla,

    These left wing shills no more understand warfare that they do copulating, to paraphrase George C. Scott. I never bought the $3.4 Trillion” Pentagon waste. That’s a bad myth and horseshit. Until Obama took the reigns, that would have been more twice the national budget. Like you, I don’t take to seriously the arguments of Mr. Deliverance anymore. My point was that we could wipe out $250 Billion a year buy simply implementing the 3rd party audit. The Dims haven’t done a damn thing with that the last three years.

    Rep. Cummings’ Gunwalker Report Neglects To Mention … Gunwalker

    Can somebody justify why Eric Holder has not been run out of office? I know Elijah Cummings is another affirmative action joke, but this is a disgrace that apparently few seem to care about.

    The 26-page report appears to exist for a political purpose: to gloss over the felonious actions of a multi-agency task force drawn from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), the Criminal Division of the Department of Justice (DOJ), Janet Napolitano’s Department of Homeland Security, and the Internal Revenue Service, with input from the State Department. Operation Fast and Furious (“Gunwalker”) was responsible for providing weapons used in the murders of two federal officers, along with 150 or more Mexican police officers, soldiers, and civilians.

    This scandal is about the dead.

    But the substantial body count that resulted from this operation is something that Democratic Rep. Elijah Cummings and his colleagues avoid mentioning. The report simply does not include the two American federal law enforcement officers killed in ambushes with Gunwalker firearms, and does not mention the Mexican casualties of this Obama administration-created fiasco.

  107. While I agree with your conclusions about technical analysis as a whole Pfesser, not because I don’t believe in technical analysis, but because it can in no way make prediction in changing global conditions, if you think Warren Buffett is the greatest investor of them all, I think you’ve missed the rest of the story; perhaps better, the real story.

    Now don’t misunderstand me. Buffett is a legend and you don’t get to be worth $50Billion without being damn good at what you do, but the best?

    But I could name many that would beat Warren Buffett’s returns during long periods at a time, but they aren’t lionized by the media like Buffett. They either haven’t been at it for 50 years, or they bailed at the first couple of billion working out of the limelight and behind the scenes. Peter Lynch is one who comes to mind.

    Buffett is show pony who loves the spotlight and that horseshit about Benevolent, Humble Grandpa Warren is a myth. Buffett is both a benefactor of serendipity, tenure, and inside info, more specifically political connections, and has been for many years. What Buffett’s greatest gift is the political friendships he has access to. Buffett is as much politician as he is investor. In fact, Buffett’s investing record during the financial crisis was awful and he was completely blindsided by the real estate bubble.

    Of course, my opinion of Buffett is also colored because while being the second richest man in the world, he may also be the world’s biggest hypocrite. Two financial examples of why I can’t stand the SOB: (1) Buffett makes a show about how his taxes are lower than his secretary’s. What he doesn’t say is that he taxed for “managerial fees”, not income, of which he helped push for a number of years ago? If he’s so damn concerned about “taxing the rich”, he can start by revoking the very laws that have allowed him to become the world’s richest man. Second, the other thing that peeves me about Saint Buffett is that he demonizes traders and calls derivatives “weapons of financial mass destruction”, but he himself holds some of the largest derivative positions in the world. Buffett played no small part of the financial bubble.

    I favor those people have made their money without political benefit or inside connections: Some better examples would be Jesse Livermoore or Peter Lynch IMO.

  108. Regarding Chris Hansen … anyone who spends the better part of his time trying to catch would-be pedophiles is a sick bastard. I’ve never found him the least bit noble and I’m kinda happy to see him get his comeuppance. “To Catch a Predator” is pedo-Candid-Camera, creepy and designed to appeal the the secret pedophile in many of its viewers.

    Sick sh*t. I hope his wife drop kicks him to the curb asap.

  109. Gorilla @ comment #143
    “The DoD accounts for 5% of our budget. 5%. Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid account for 67% of the budget. 67%.”

    I don’t dispute your figures. However, is the 67% net or expense? One also needs to break down the three categories according to income minus expense.

    Medicaid for low income families, children and the disable is a total expense.
    Medicaid for the elderly which kicks in after Medicare benefits expire (100 Days) is an expense offset by income received from the recipient’s total assets minus $2000 a year.

    Medicare expense is offset by income from Medicare recipients’ monthly premium similar to any insurance plan. Are they compatible, maybe yes, maybe no. A decade ago Medicare paid 80% of a doctor’s fee. Today Medicare pays 80% of it’s approved fee. Example: A doctor’s fee is $120, Medicare approved fee is $60 and will pay 80% of the approved fee which is $48.

    Social Security currently is fully vested with income exceeding expense. Any surplus payroll taxes not used for current benefits are used to purchase special-issue interest-paying Treasury bonds or in other words the surplus in the Social Security trust fund has been loaned to the federal government for it’s general use. Treasury will soon need to pay back these bonds which will put pressure on the federal budget.

    So by breaking down the three categories into income versus expense I question how the figure 67% came about.

  110. While I am on the topic … as reprehensible as child pornography is, no one should go to jail for 30 years for looking at a picture. Lock up the producers, the camera men, etc etc … hell lock up the parents if they had any part in it …. but this notion that you can be locked up for what you look at … seems like a bad idea to me.

  111. “but this notion that you can be locked up for what you look at … seems like a bad idea to me.”

    I didn’t catch the comment that prompted this, but I would just point out that if you look at something on your computer, your computer must first download that image. Then you are getting into possession, not just viewing, even if you did not intend to keep it.

  112. Folks, I’m going to collect Rabbit’s financial comments and post them under an article titled “Profile of an Economic Disaster in the Making”.

    I’ve never seen anyone this new to the market (I assume Rabbit is pretty new to the market) be this cocky. And the cock goeth before the fall, especially if it is erect. 😐

  113. “NO COLLARDS”
    .

    ROTFLMAO! PF I must confess I had an incident like this myself many years back.

    I asked to see my HR file, just for grins and I noticed on it “avoid jobs with color discrimination”. I said to myself WTF???? So I asked my manager to look into it and of course fearing a big racial kerfuffle she got right on the case.

    I’m driving home that evening and it hits me “DOH!!! I’m partially color-blind.” 😀

  114. If the Republican were smart (they’re not), they could put this class warfare argument to rest once and for all.

    I actually like your proposal Tex. And I think for once you are right … if the proposal ever saw the light of day we’d see what trivial game-players the congress critters really are.

  115. LOL Tex … the Klavan video rocked!!! I would actually be so proud if my brothers and sisters actually were voting Dem just to destroy the crappy inner city while they run off to the burbs. I love it!

    But Klavan has to be careful with his Lincoln history. Palin might start quoting some of that stuff as fact. 🙂

  116. DNC did away with any real possibility of electing a true liberal candidate when they changed their primary rules in the 60’s.

    Welcome to the blog TW. I’d love for you to elaborate on that since I’m not familiar with the 1960’s change to which you’re referring.

  117. Huck, at the risk of sounding like a pedo-apologist, I don’t see why “possession” should earn you 30 years in the slammer. This is legislating thought, not action. Make it a crime, fine … but 30 years? I still say there is something off about that.

    P.S. The topic arose from Tex’s comment #83 about Chris Hansen getting caught with his pants down.

  118. “and,” said the defendant, “I don’t ‘do’ cocaine, I just like the smell of it.”

    LOL … I’m not sure the analogy holds but it’s funny nonetheless.

  119. Re: Comments #160-161

    “Possession is nine tenths of the law” so both Rutherford and Huck brought up interesting points.
    If you rent a child pornography video and return it you are not in possession but if you download child pornography on the computer you are in possession even if you intend to delete it.
    Interesting! That’s a good one for the Supreme Court!

  120. Raji, it’s a good question … what does “possession” even mean? Does it have a time period? If you rent an illegal video you “possess” it for the time it is in your home. Tech savvy computer users know about deleting cache and some go to great lengths to even write over the data on “dead” parts of their hard drive. So, again …. what does possession even mean? Perhaps Tigre or BiW can chime in on this.

    I maintain that severely punishing viewers is done with the theory it will decrease demand and stop production. History has proven otherwise … as in the case of illegal drugs. This comes dangerously close to “thought police”.

  121. The other notion is that viewing such pictures equals viewing a crime. But would that not also be true of viewing “snuff films” and is there a legal prohibition against possession of those? I’m not sure there is. (Case in point the legendary “Faces of Death” series … although I admit much of that was probably staged.

  122. Rutherford, Connecticut pattern jury charges show that the crime requires the following elements:

    http://www.jud.ct.gov/ji/criminal/part7/7.7-4.htm

    The key to my joke analogy is the criminal “intent” (knowledge/scienter).

    What constitutes “possesion” under the statute should answer your other hypotheticals.

    Criminal statutes are strictly construed.

    As to the purpose (deter demand), that of course is for your legislators. What holds constitutional muster under procedural and susbstantive due process standards would require more space than what I’m willing to type into this box.

  123. I guess some basic economic theory would be helpful. I know economists generally don’t agree and tend to confuse the issues, but a budget, incoming revenues and outgoing expenses – are simple concepts. In a perfect world (or the real one, anyway), things should balance. Here’s something I dug up:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_domestic_product

  124. I’m late to the discussion (as often happens), and scanning the comments, I see it is basically more of the same. At least this time the post was actually ABOUT Obama, so there was no need to stray back to him. Of course, there was that little side-trip into Chris Hansen and pedophilia. Lol.
    Here’s what I want to know. When is “Tex” coming to Florida? I’d like to alert the Highway Patrol. Or better, the FWC. They are much better with invasive species.

  125. NOT (before everyone hops on it) that it was necessarily a bad idea at the time and under the circumstances for Cheney to be in an undisclosed location. I doubt it was his idea. But I thought it was in poor taste and cowardly. He could have overridden that decision. (After all, he overrode many other decisions.) Must have been hard at the time to be GWB and continue to be “out there”, knowing that your second-in-command is secreted away just in case you die. Another reason to respect GWB. Or at least to respect him more.

  126. Speaking of GWB (now look who’s straying), I heard a commentator on NPR once express the opinion that history would be kinder to GWB than his contemporaries were. At the time I said, No Way! Now I find myself backing off that opinion. I don’t think he would have been re-elected if it weren’t for 9/11, but when it happened, who could have handled it better? Probably no one. It was unprecedented. Unfortunately, he made a major mistake—Iraq. But when I look at the field of current Republican candidates, I long for the good old days of GWB.

  127. “But when I look at the field of current Republican candidates, I long for the good old days of GWB.”

    I think the same thing when I look at Obama, Biden and the rest of left that has been torching the place since 2006.

  128. Rather than continuing to think of our involvement in Iraq as a mistake, why don’t you take a moment to picture what Iraq would be like today if it were not for George W. Bush.

    Look at what has been going on throughout the entire Middle East the last few months. Why should we imagine a Saddam-ruled Iraq being any different?

    History says we’d be seeing hundreds of rebellious Kurds lying dead in the street from chemical attacks in Norther Iraq and rebellious Shi’ites lying dead in the streets from helicopter attacks in Southern Iraq.

    More recent history says at best they would receive worthless air support, and the worst they would receive is nothing at all. See Libya and Syria for some real world examples of how that would work out.

    Iraq was not a failure. It was perhaps the most awesome piece of foresight and guts by any American president in our history.

  129. Well just out of genuine curiosity, Tigre, who exactly would you propose to replace him? And the answer cannot be “anybody at all”. Similar to GWB, Obama has dealt with multiple unprecented situations as well. GWB did have the guts to stare down his detractors; so does Obama.
    You would have had to be in Tallahassee in 2000 I think, to get a real feel for the hysteria surrounding GWB’s re-election. People carrying signs, honking their horns. generally making a nuisance of themselves. The signs mostly said “Bush won. Get over it”. I personally thought that was good advice. I wasn’t happy about it, but GWB’s re-election did not cause the government to collapse nor the world to end. It will be the same if Obama is re-elected.

  130. Huck, I find you to mostly be somewhat reasonable, but your assessment of the Iraq war is complete bullshit. It was predicated on a lie (WMD’s) and only later justified by saying, well, at least we got rid of a tyrant. Do you think the uprisings in the Middle East are BECAUSE of our invasion? I think not. What if we had left it alone? The current uprisings in the Middle East would inevitably have happened there too.
    The decision to invade Iraq was based on a complicated mix of psychological factors, including Cheney and Rumsfeld being pissed at GHWB’s “failure” to pursue Saddam back into Iraq from Kuwait. It was GWB’s desire to outdo Daddy. It was the prevailing attitude of “Appear to be doing something, even if it’s wrong” And it’s the neocon philosophy of “spreading democracy” at any cost.
    Iraq was and is a failure. And now we can’t get out of it gracefully. You don’t go blow up someone else’s country, then say “oops, my bad”. I made a mistake. .

  131. Idiots and there conspiracies aside, there was a lot more to Iraq than some familial grudge. Once again folks leave out context.

    Its mid 2002, the events of 9/11 are freshly seared into our minds. The lesson we’ve learned is that any troubled state left to fester can hurt us. While we are hunting AQ in Afghanistan, a problem that has been festering for over a decade is seen in a new light.

    We’re enforcing a no fly zone in Iraq at the time, why? Because we, and every other country in Europe beleive Iraq has stockpiles or chem and bio weapons. On top of that, we have Saddam hosting international terrerists- the Abu Nadal group- and we think AQ has had some comms with Saddam.

    17 UNSC resolutions later and in the frame of mind, that Saddam would be willing to provide these weapons to terrorists (we’ve had by this time the anthrax letters in the mail), we decide that this problem, in this new world, cannot fester any longer, so we finally enforced the resolutions and the original cease fire.

    As a further note, yes, Iraq has had some influence in the current Arab spring. It was the primary influence in getting Syria out of Lebanon and it has provided amodel for some of these states.

  132. If it’s true that “any troubled state left to fester can hurt us”, why haven’t we invaded North Korea? Everything you cite is merely part of the justification that occurred after the fact. It’s like putting lipstick on the pig after the beauty contest is already over. I was personally very swayed by Ron Suskind’s book, The Price of Loyalty.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/60minutes/main592330.shtml
    It’s clear that as Paul O’Neill says, going after Saddam was “topic A” 10 days after Bush’s election, 8 months before 9/11 even occurred. Thus, you have to come up with some better explanations rather than those that were latched onto later.

  133. I also note, Gorilla, that you do not discount the “familial grudge” issue, but say there’s more to it than that. I also have to correct myself. When I refer to GWB’s election in 2000, it’s not his reelection.
    One of the interesting things about The Price of Loyalty is the portrayal of GWB as beginning to have a clue that he’s being played. During his second term, you start to see him developing some independence from Cheney. My change in attitude about him really began with reading The Dark Side. Even the President is unable to make good decisions if the information he needs to make it is being actively kept from him. Plus, I’m impressed by the dignity he’s displayed since leaving office.

  134. LOL FN I do love you (in a non-romantic sort of way) but you do realize you’re so behind you’re not even on my latest post?

    As for the whole Iraq thing … I don’t think it is a far stretch to say that the “liberation” of Egypt might have spread to Iraq had we left Saddam alone. Sometimes, movements just sweep … the time is right. The time is right for this Arab spring even though it is a most imperfect spring. The key ingredient to this Spring is a semi-educated populace which Iraq has. The Arab spring will never spread to Afghanistan which is drowned in ignorance and hence incredibly susceptible to religious tyranny and corruption.

  135. “Do you think the uprisings in the Middle East are BECAUSE of our invasion?”

    Did I say that?

    They are uprising because of decades of oppression by their leaders. Unfortunately, there has been an element that forced their leaders into that course of action in the first place. That course, in turn, fed the element, and the cycle was created.

    “The current uprisings in the Middle East would inevitably have happened there too.”

    That’s right. They would have. That was my entire point. And this is what would have happened to them. Take a good look and then tell us how the uprising would have gone.

    What do you think Dictator Obama would have done had he seen those photos? We can look at Libya and Syria for the answers. Tell us…how well are those campaigns to save civilians going?

    “You don’t go blow up someone else’s country, then say “oops, my bad”. I made a mistake.”

    We don’t say that. You do. You and yours who continue to see Iraq as a mistake.

    And tell us, FN. What does Obama say when his flying robots blow up families in Libya?

    “I don’t think it is a far stretch to say that the “liberation” of Egypt might have spread to Iraq had we left Saddam alone.”

    Oh really?

    I will list the countries that have so far successfully followed Egypt’s actions.



    Short list, wasn’t it?

    And that is giving Egypt credit for actual change. I think the actions by the military and by the people suggest that neither side involved really believes that.

    Do you really think a bunch of people gathering in the city square would be enough to oust Saddam?

    This is what happens to Iraqis that crossed Saddam. Take a good look and then revisit the above question.

    The naivety being displayed in these comments is staggering.

  136. “If it’s true that “any troubled state left to fester can hurt us”, why haven’t we invaded North Korea?”

    The same reason we haven’t invaded Pakistan.

    It’s called “nuclear weapons.”

    …simply staggering….

  137. Ah, so we only invade countries we aren’t really afraid of?
    R—Ditto 🙂
    I must admit the tone has improved here. Usually I just get called an idiot or some version of a twit. Now I’m “naive”. I feel upgraded.
    So Huck, you’re opposed to drones over Pakistan?
    I suggest that you are more naive than I. Without resorting to multiple posts and endless links, I’ll say that my opinion was formed in part by reading an interview in The New Yorker with GHWB in either 2004 or 2005. He said his decision not to pursue Saddam Hussein back into Iraq from Kuwait was that we would become embroiled in the occupation of another sovereign country with no end in sight. Imagine that.
    I don’t watch MSNBC. I don’t watch Fox. But I read. And before you decide to denounce The New Yorker as a liberal MSM kind of publication, try to remember that it was GHWB who said these things…not the New Yorker.

  138. R, are you referring to your post about Obama being called a dick? It isn’t that I wasn’t aware of it, it’s that I wasn’t inclined to read it 🙂 But now I guess I’ll go take a peek. I hope my blood pressure survives it.

  139. If it’s true that “any troubled state left to fester can hurt us”, why haven’t we invaded North Korea? ” – FN

    How is N Korea left to fester? There are hundreds of thousands of forces monitoring every move N Korea makes. But Huck makes a good point, when your last option is desperation, you’ll do anything, which is why nuclear weapons in N Korea is so concerning. (Psssst, if you didn’t notice, NK has the bomb because of Dems…)

    I’ve seen many accounts of GWB’s presidency, and the one thing I will say is that I’ve never seen so many CYA accounts in my life. Doug Feith, Paul Bremmer, Paul O’Neil, etc, etc, etc. Read Bush’s book if you want to know about the Bush preisidency.

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