Evil Leaves a Nasty Stain

My friend and fellow blogger The 800 lb Gorilla, has been quite upset with reverse racism of late. He wrote a long exasperated post that boiled down to (and I paraphrase), “black folk need to stop whining and take responsibility for themselves. The time to blame white people for their ills is over.”

There is no doubt that on some level, Gorilla is correct. Self reliance is the fastest route to success. Success is achieved through winning strategies that transcend race. If we compare successful blacks with successful whites, I submit we will see many of the same behaviors. If he left it at that, there would be little in his post to refute. However, G used enough rope to hang himself. Let’s look at three examples G used to make his point

First, he critiqued an excerpt of a speech by Michael Eric Dyson, renowned author, professor and preacher.

Gorilla had a problem with the following statement: “white Americans have never been taught to think of themselves as a specific ethnic formation in the broader context of American ethnicity or race”. Where is the problem here? This is a fact. When we talk about “Americans” the default is white Americans. We will sooner identify someone as Irish, Polish or Italian before we will identify him as white, even though his ancestors came from those countries generations ago. That is a simple fact. We do not identify people of color in this country as Kenyan, Ethiopian, or Nigerian unless they just got off the boat yesterday. Otherwise they are called “black”. Why is that? It is because when Africans were brought to this country against their will centuries ago, they were stripped of their heritage. They did not come here to lend their ethnic background to the melting pot. On the contrary, they were objectified as if they were the pot itself, part of the infrastructure of a growing nation. They had no more rights than the wagons that crisscrossed this country with white settlers making homes for themselves. So no, Gorilla, white folk don’t walk around thinking “mmmm I’m white”. Nor do they refer to each other as “white”. They do however refer to people of color as “black”. Blacks whether they like it or not are faced with being “a specific ethnic formation in the broader context of American ethnicity or race.”

The quote that should have blown Gorilla’s gasket was this one: “I don’t want to stop being a black man … now we can be very circumspect and  also much more sophisticated about what that blackness might mean but I don’t want to stop being black. I just want people to overcome their bigotry and violent stereotypes about what it means to be black.”  Now we have a problem. Who defines what “black” is? Dyson likes being identified as black so long as it fits some definition he finds uplifting. But I’ve got news for Michael. Much of what passes for acceptable in “the black community” is total nonsense, most of rap music being at the top of that list. I much prefer being Rutherford as opposed to being a black man. I don’t know what a “black man” is. This ties back to my first observation. Being black in this country is not the same as being of African heritage. Being black in this country is being the product of the legacy of an evil institution. Even if you don’t have a single slave in your family tree, your dark skin or other physical features (in my case large lips and nose) associate you with that shameful legacy. So much like Morgan Freeman, I’d be happy to dispense with the whole “black thing”. The problem is that evil leaves a nasty stain that is hard to ignore. As much as I’d like to agree with Freeman to just stop talking about race, I’m not sure ignoring it cleans up the stain.

Never letting an opportunity to bash Barack Obama slip by, Gorilla brings up that old chestnut about Obama taking sides in the Cambridge Police vs Skip Gates case. Apparently Obama is a racist because he called the white Cambridge policeman “stupid”. Guess what? He was stupid. Once you know a man is trying to get into his own house and is not robbing the house, you don’t arrest him. Why did Officer Crowley arrest Gates? He arrested him because Gates was talking smack. Gates was being stupid and the two of them got into a “who has the bigger dick” contest. Professor Gates was too stupid to remember that be you white or black, the dick contest is always won by the cop.

But this is where Obama went wrong during that infamous press conference. The press conference was meant to be about health care reform. At the end of the presser, journalist Lynn Sweet asked Obama his opinion about the Cambridge incident. What Obama SHOULD have replied was “Lynn, would you have asked a white President that question? Why do you think I have an opinion about a local police matter just because it involves a black friend of mine? Next question.” Instead, never one to pass up an opportunity to pontificate, Obama got race-baited and bought it hook line and sinker.  Gorilla’s problem should start and end with Gates who unnecessarily injected race into the incident. As for Obama, all he did was answer a question that was really beneath his dignity. Gorilla should also wonder why Sweet would ask such an inappropriate question. The question was racially charged and she knew it. The nasty stain strikes again.

After a couple of paragraphs of railing against affirmative action, Gorilla shows off a video of a black man he respects. The fellow is an ex-President of a Texas chapter of the NAACP, and now a conservative Tea Party member. C.L Bryant conjectures that he could have been Ben Jealous (National President of the NAACP) or even Barack Obama. The phrase “I coulda been a contenda” comes to mind. What stopped Bryant from becoming Barack Obama? It was liberal whites and blacks who wanted to define him.

He calls this attempt to define him “socialism”. Like a typical Tea Party member he does not know what socialism is. But more to the point, he shares the same blind spot as Gorilla. Both of them criticize affirmative action out of context. Is it “fair” to take race into account when choosing candidates for a degree program or a job? Absolutely not. As G so proudly quotes Martin Luther King Jr. it is the content of our character and our qualifications that should rule the day. But G ignores the fact that King hoped that day would come in the future. At the time of his death, it had not yet come. King no doubt believed that measures had to be taken to ensure equal opportunity for blacks. Favoritism? No, not in light of the rich and lengthy history of racism in this country. Is G aware of the studies done where identical resumes were reviewed with only the names being different and Bob Smith’s resume was favored over Leroy Jackson (or something even more obvious like Mousa Mtumbe). Great strides have been made but racism still exists and efforts to counteract it are still needed.

I feel bad that Gorilla thinks he is persecuted by society for being white. He is indeed the innocent bystander in the consequences of history. No white man living today should be saddled with the blame that his slave-holding ancestors should have borne. No black man living today should live under the cloud of shame and under-achievement simply because he comes from an American heritage so cursed. But history has consequences. Both Romeo and Juliet on their own were good hopeful people. Their families, the Montagues and Capulets were rivals for generations and the star-crossed lovers paid for that rivalry with their lives. History has consequences. Shakespeare understood that.

A white politician came to my house when I was a boy and asked to see “the lady of the house” when my mother answered the door. History has consequences. My seven year old daughter was threateningly referred to as “black girl” on the school bus. History has consequences. A classmate of hers told her that she couldn’t be good at gymnastics because she is black. Out of the mouths of babes … history has consequences. Blacks struggle between self-reliance and victimhood. History has consequences. Objectification and indignity breed hatred and so a black man stands in the street advocating “killing whitey”. History has consequences.

I have proposed in the past that it takes 300 years of correction to wipe out 100 years of slavery. As long as folks like Gorilla choose to ignore history, they will feel justified in their own sense of persecution and oblivious to their natural advantage in American society. History has consequences and evil leaves a nasty stain. Both whites and blacks will continue to struggle with these consequences for the foreseeable future. The stain soils all of us. That’s just the way it is.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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250 thoughts on “Evil Leaves a Nasty Stain

  1. I asked this question, “How do you become post-racist if you are pro-racial? You failed to address it.

    My Dyson focus was this, ““white Americans have never been taught to think of themselves as a specific ethnic formation in the broader context of American ethnicity or race.” Yet, the black community does nothing but.” I don’t have issue with the observation that Dyson made about whites. In fact, I agree with it 100%. My issue is that he chooses to be centric on race while complaining about racism. These are two sides of the same coin, and it is a currency that provides no value.

    You even agree with me on the inability to define ‘blackness’, which is what I also said:

    The first is blackness. There is a litany of sources that celebrate and emphasize being black. Black Entertainment Television, Ebony, Jet, Black Entrepreneur, Black Chamber of Commerce, Blacks in Government, etc, etc, etc. If there was a white entertainment television, everyone would be up in arms about how racist a TV station it would be- regardless of content. An Ivory magazine? Dream on. Whites in Government? The American Civil Liberties Union would be licking its chops. There is a billion dollar industry focused on being… black. Celebrating the cultural aspects connected to race is one thing, but these don’t champion the historical connections of history, they just focus on being black. It is hard to get past skin color when the entire identity of a certain portion of the population is built around skin color.

    I remember the 80’s where black people were suddenly invigorated with the ‘African’ in African American. It took most one trip to Africa to lose that foolish notion. What they’ve failed to do is get invigorated with the American part of the name. Black music, television, politics, ect, have nothing to do with slavery, or even the consequences of such.

    You are so quick to reach back into the protective embrace of history, where you can so easily slip the chains of accountability in the guise of victimhood, that you lose sight of the simple fact that you are what controls you.

    You clearly missed the first part of the Bryant video where he asks where are the German, the French, the Italian leaders. Answer that question R, who are the German American leaders? The Italian American leaders? French American leaders? His point, and it is a very good one, is why is the black community so reliant on its “leaders”, who have not had their interests at heart? He said it clearly- your “leaders” have been politically raping you, yet you continue to spread your legs hoping for something different.

    Remember this?

    “Can you believe we’re going to Mississippi to protect white voters?”

    That’s the BLACK justice department deciding to enforce laws based on the race of the victim. You completely failed to address the catalyst for the post as well, which was that less qualified people were being forced into position because of their race. Which brought me to the main point of my post:

    The second is victimhood. Like being black, there is a billion dollar industry built around black victimhood. People like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Tavis Smiley, Michael Dyson, Henry Louis Gates, Cornell West, etc, etc, etc, they have all made millions around the premise of victimhood.

    But this is the tragedy of it all, the causal relationship that has been made between blackness and victimhood. IF you are black, THEN you are a victim.

    Again, you avoided this like the plague, probably because you have no answer to it. The issues of today have nothing- NOTHING- to do with slavery and everything to do with current politics. Remember this?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI

    But this R, this is really what takes the cake from this post:

    A white politician came to my house when I was a boy and asked to see “the lady of the house” when my mother answered the door. History has consequences. My seven year old daughter was threateningly referred to as “black girl” on the school bus. History has consequences. A classmate of hers told her that she couldn’t be good at gymnastics because she is black. Out of the mouths of babes … history has consequences. Blacks struggle between self-reliance and victimhood. History has consequences. Objectification and indignity breed hatred and so a black man stands in the street advocating “killing whitey”. History has consequences.” – Rutherford

    History has consequences?

    I said this last year:

    I’m saying that a political culture exists on the left that has inculcated a false reality about racism and the political parties of this nation. A party that panders to the lowest common denominator is no friend to any demographic group, especially one that does have a real history of oppression AT THE HANDS OF THE VERY GROUP PANDERING TO THEM!

    In that article, I quoted this- from a black man: “Most people are either a Democrat by design, or a Democrat by deception. That is either they were well aware the racist history of the Democrat Party and still chose to be Democrat, or they were deceived into thinking that the Democratic Party is a party that sincerely cared about Black people.

    It went on to point these things out as well:

    After reviewing all of the evidence, many believe America would have never experienced racism to the degree that it has, had not the Democrats promoted it through:

    Racist Legislation
    Terrorist Organizations
    Negative Media Communications
    Bias Education
    Relentless Intimidation
    And Flawed Adjudication

    The racism established and promoted by members of the Democratic Party affected and infected the entire nation from 1856 with the Dred Scott decision, to the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education case. But they never offered or issued an apology.

    You are right, history does have consequences, but courses change. I find it ironic, and more than a little hypocritical, to hear you comment on slavery from centuries ago, to see you quote irrelevant speeches from the losing side of history that we specifically challenged- and won- the issue of freedom over slavery. All these evils from so long ago, yet when we bring up the simple fact that after all that was done to win the freedom of ALL men, to remove the stain of slavery from the fabric of the nation, that it was one political party-the Democrats- that did all it could to re-subjugate the black man. Yet, when we point this out, your response is always ‘well, that was so long ago and doesn’t apply to today.’

    Really? How deluded do you have to be? Is it a case of you are so fucked up that fixing you is going to hurt so much, that you would rather continue the status quo? Do you need an intervention? Every issue you have today in the black community can be tied- directly- to post-Civil War legislative actions by the Dems. EVERY FUCKING ISSUE. Yet you continue to buy into this meme of victimhood while the Dems politically rape you every two years. Have you ever honestly, objectively looked at the status of black people in areas overwhelmingly controlled by the Dems? D.C., Balitmore, Detroit- look around! Look at what such Dem loyalty has bought you! A subjugated community content with the crumbs of success, provided those crumbs are forced off of the table of someone else.

    How pathetic of an existence is that?

    I have proposed in the past that it takes 300 years of correction to wipe out 100 years of slavery. As long as folks like Gorilla choose to ignore history, they will feel justified in their own sense of persecution and oblivious to their natural advantage in American society. History has consequences and evil leaves a nasty stain. Both whites and blacks will continue to struggle with these consequences for the foreseeable future. The stain soils all of us. That’s just the way it is.” – Rutherford

    How foolish of a statement is this now? Oblivious to history? Quite the contrary. You’re telling me that I should be conscious and empathetic of racial persecution against blacks, yet ignore clear racial persecution against whites, for no other reason than that whites have not experienced as much racial persecution. It’s OK to be a little racist towards whites. I’m sorry, but that is not just the way it is, and it is exactly this kind of attitude that will continue to subjugate the black community under the boot of its own self destructive mentality as well as keep the fire of racial conflict smoldering.

  2. My comment to this is awaiting moderation because of the # of links I have in it.

    Needless to say, I’m more than a little disappointed in you R…

  3. So keep breeding the same behavior that keeps blacks socially oppressed. History has consequences.

  4. R –
    A couple of things: firstly, there is no such thing as “reverse racism” any more than there is “reverse discrimination.” It’s racism and discrimination, and unfortunately it cannot be OK in one direction and not ok in the other unless you come to the conclusion that people are not, after all, equal. As has been said before, when you give a coveted position to someone not qualified, you by definition deprive someone who is.

    Secondly, nobody who matters gives a shit. It’s like my ex-nephew-in-law who cannot stop talking about his experiences in VietNam. I have no question that his suffering there and after he got home is unimaginable, but all he is doing is branding himself a whiner, because NOBODY CARES.

    The best gift my father ever gave me was when, after three nearly-failing semesters at university, I finally realized how poor my backwoods high school education had been and how far behind I was. His response? “So what? Now you know; I suggest you get to work and catch up.” No sympathy whatever. I was so pissed. But his “tough love” was the best thing he could have done, and after three more years of busting my hump I was in medical school.

    Decades of quotas, set-asides and affirmative action have done nothing for black folks but create a generation of bastards and a culture of dependency – and a whole raft of government agencies whose sole purpose was that of taking care of Roosevelt’s Grandchildren, as my Dad called them. My suggestion is that someone (Bill Cosby, anyone?) look black folks in the eye and tell them, “Now you know; I suggest you get to work.” It would be the best gift anyone could give.

  5. Rutherford conveniently ignores history. In fact, he lies to himself on a daily basis about the facts of history.

    Africa has failed and is incapable of governing itself. The legacy of the American slave is 1,000 times better off than the legacy of the black faces who sold other blacks into slavery to be shipped to America. Period. Rutherford is living proof of that. Connecticut or The Congo?

    Since Rutherford stereotypes, I am now forced to retort with my own stereotype.

    The breakdown of the American black family and the chaos that has ensued is not the legacy of slavery and can be well correlated, with the cause and effect undeniable – victim mentality “enslaved” to this day by white liberalism as tools of the political trade.

    Paradoxically, men like Rutherford, whether he realizes it or not, are helping to assist in destroying the black community by providing cover. What sympathy I used to hold for the legacy of slavery dissolved over the last decade and I find myself coming to the same conclusions of Gorilla and Pfesser.

    So 80% of black America…better listen up.

    I’m tired of the whining, the excuses, the victim mentality – get off you lazy asses and make something of yourselves. America provides you opportunities you receive no where else on earth, provided to you by men with white faces, and the time for using melatonin and a shameful history of eight generations ago as excuse for your own personal failure should have been over long ago.

    You are the cause of your own problems black America. Your childish behavior bores me. You and your house masters in the white liberal establishment, the white faces who use you for their own means like a yo yo on a string, have become a tiresome burden and a yoke around America’s neck. Your music sucks, your style sucks, your tastes suck, your predatory attitude sucks, your work ethic sucks, and your whining excuses suck.

    Every other ethnic group is capable of self reliance – except you. Your failure is yours and yours alone. You don’t like the truth? Well, tough shit. You hate my guts? Big deal. You’re not going to bully me or my family, and we will live guilt free and without fear of your threats.

  6. But Rutherford made such a compelling case for (reverse) discrimination –“History has consequences.” Of course, only racism, bigotry and discrimination can be used to fight racism, bigotry and discrimination. It’s time for the great, great grandchildren of the oppressed to be the oppressor.

    History is being made now, Rutherford. And it has consequences.

    The crap about your daughter is just that. “White Men Can’t Jump” remember? Is that observation the product of racism or vestiges of slavery?

    My daughter is the only white girl in her school and gets chided when she plays basketball with her classmates. Is that racism or the result of slavery? If you say they are, then your argument is that my 5 year old daughter should have to endure racism (at least until she reaches the age of 200). But obviously it is not.

    Correct or incorrect,the comments made to your daughter are the types of observations made by kids, just like those that might be made of fat kids, Asian kids, Jewish kids, or any other type of kidn — including white. You have offered proof of nothing other than a self-determined right to be offended under the guise of racial injustice.

    As I said at Gorilla’a place, a more thorough bastardization of MLK’s message than the one supplied by Rutherford here can not be found. So like the rapture, we’ll wait the 200 years until its okay for society to pursue true equality rather than the liberal version of it: retribution, redistribution and institutionalized dependence.

  7. There is not going to ever be a “post racial” world unless we all interbreed and look the same. It is nature that causes us to notice differences and similarities. Like kinds are more at ease with like kinds. The old “blend in” place of security.

    It is insecurity that makes us identify those different from us as foe, evil, or inferior. That insecurity can be found throughout all peoples. It derives primarily from how we have been taught and treated in our own lives. A lot of “sin” is passed from generation to generation. We tend to treat our offspring much the way we were treated. It takes enlightenment to break the bad habits and reverse poor directions. It takes “repentence” to clear our mind of the clutter that years of habit have filled.

    Some peoples have overcome great hardship and diversity to rise above the bonds that others have placed on them and have become successful. Others are still oppressed by the same bonds.

    We don’t all start this journey from the same place. We can all be successful, but it takes greater effort on the part of some to get there. Providing a handicap to some “underprivileged” may seem equitable, however it likely will be a crutch on which they will lean. Some of us have greater thresholds of tolerance and are secure enough to think independently. Others are not so equipped and need greater guidance.

    To ignore the hand our ancestors dealt us and pronounce everything fresh and new without lingering consequence is naivity, at best. “Get over it” just white washes the issue. (No pun intended.)

    The “racist” types are the ones trying to keep their race pure, instead of allowing diversity. They promote a superiority over the “others” that leads to oppressive and discriminatory behaviors. They generally refer to “homeland” or “bloodline” to differentiate themselves from the rest of humanity.

  8. “When we talk about “Americans” the default is white Americans.”

    Maybe because so many non-white people insist on using hyphens when declaring their ethnicity/nationality.

    You have black people who have never set foot on African soil calling themselves African-Americans. Ironically, white-as-milk Gweneth Paltrow, who was born in S. Africa and has dual US and SA citizenship, is more African-American than most black people who identify themselves as such.

    Drop the African-American crap and fully join the team if you want to be considered a full part of it.

  9. Every other ethnic group is capable of self reliance – except you. Your failure is yours and yours alone. You don’t like the truth? Well, tough shit. You hate my guts? Big deal. You’re not going to bully me or my family, and we will live guilt free and without fear of your threats.

    Brav-f*cking-o!!!! Tex, when are you running for President? I can just picture that speech at the next Republican convention! 🙂

  10. Tigre if you really think “white men can’t jump” — a pure laugh line — is on a par with “you can’t be a good gymnast because you’re black”, then there really is no penetrating you on this.

    The “white men can’t jump” meme was a joke perpetuated by whites for the most part as benign self-deprecation and clearly contradicted by the likes of Larry Bird. What was said to my daughter wasn’t a friendly tease with a knowing wink about how absurd it was … it was said to hurt. Because I’ve brought her up NOT to focus on race, the comment more or less rolled off her back. It upset Daddy much more than it did her.

    But puhleeze …. if you’re going to argue the post, don’t use silly false equivalencies.

  11. “white folk don’t walk around thinking “mmmm I’m white”. Nor do they refer to each other as “white”. They do however refer to people of color as “black”.”

    This begs a question which I do not intend as a “gottcha” question, but as a genuine question that I have to ask because I am not black.

    How do black people refer to white people? Do you call us “white” or do you take the high road and say “that blond over there”?

  12. Huck –
    “Drop the African-American crap and fully join the team if you want to be considered a full part of it.

    Hear! Hear!

    I have nearly got in fistfights over that stuff. “Were you born in Africa?” “No.” “Then you are an American, not an African-American – just like me. My great great grandfather was a Scot; he became a Scottish-American. His descendants are Americans, just like you.”

    And the funny thing is the stupid baby names. I see them all day here and even forward them to my wife and her friend. The flavor of the day is Tomika Tiwanda K………. WTF? This is made-up shit, not real names and certainly not real African names. I tried to buy stupidbabynames.com, but the guy wouldn’t sell it.

    My secretary is a mulatto and her kids quadroons, and she hates the stupid names. And they always seem to foist them on the poor girls.

  13. Drop the African-American crap and fully join the team if you want to be considered a full part of it.

    Huck … not much argument from me if Italian-Americans, and Polish-Americans etal do the same thing.

    What you miss is that the advent of the Italian-American is relatively recent and if I’m not mistaken followed “African-American”. The reason: “American” was taken for granted. So Tony called himself an Italian. Bill called himself an Irishman. Their “American-ness” was never questioned.

    Blacks on the other hand found themselves in an odd quandary. Not fully accepted as Americans nor acknowledged for their own cultural heritage. So “African-American” reenforces both our full right to claim America as our own PLUS an acknowledgement that we do have a cultural history.

    I do like the comment about Gwyneth Paltrow although it ignores her imperialistic roots that have nothing to do with being an indigenous African.

  14. Huck I’m not copping out but I can’t say I can answer your question about how blacks refer to whites honestly. My guess is that blacks “hung up on race” refer to whites as white, not Italian or Polish. But I also suspect that many blacks refer to other blacks as black or “a brother walked into the McDonalds”.

    So to summarize, my perception is that while whites refer to blacks as black, they do not refer to other whites as white. Many blacks on the other hand will make racial reference to both whites and fellow blacks.

  15. “What you miss is that the advent of the Italian-American is relatively recent and if I’m not mistaken followed “African-American”. The reason: “American” was taken for granted. So Tony called himself an Italian. Bill called himself an Irishman. Their “American-ness” was never questioned.”

    I don’t buy that.

    I think it has everything to do with this liberal idea of uniqueness that has been ingrained into American children since the 70s. Being American isn’t any big deal when we are all Americans. So to show how unique (read: different) we are, we have to adopt this hyphenated bullshit. And since we can’t show differentiation by color, for fear to offend someone (like yourself), we have to show differentiation through hyphens.

  16. Pfesser, I share your disdain for the “made-up” names. Unlike you however, I understand it. It is an attempt to recapture a cultural identity. I can’t say that many of these names can’t be found in African culture … I haven’t researched it. But if a guy can name his kid Mario or Jose than a guy can name his kid Shaunequa.

    And by the way, have you noticed all the made up white names of late? Particularly cutesy misspellings of standard names. Parents can do some silly sh*t to make their kids “stand out”.

  17. Damn, R – you have a tough crowd here.

    Delightful! By god everybody holds everybody’s feet to the fire…I LIKE that.

    In that light I want to confess that in my Palestinian post I did indeed post as if all Palestinians as Muslim, even though I know full well many are Christian. Shouldn’t make blanket generalizations. My bad.

  18. Bravo Rutherford for your insipid response. So for your enjoyment, I’ll go one step further, venture where angels fear to tread. This one should be worth at least two smiles.

    Here’s a small excerpt of my own Republican convention acceptance speech…

    You say you want a revolution Panthers? Fine, stoke up the fires as I begin the process of smoking your own asses with the flames you light. You want to riot burn buildings? I’ll beat you to it. As new Commander-in-Chief, look down the barrel of Abrams tank brothers and sisters and gander for a microsecond the turret of the A-10 Warthog cannon. Blammo! They don’t have that technology in Oakland (yet)? 😉

    You say you want reparations? Great! Here’s your honky hating, one-way ticket to Sudan and a can of OFF, where you’ll get a epiphany of the reality of calling yourself African American, now back to African. My suggestion would be to learn how to drink from a muddy pool of water. Break dance to that reality assholes….Me so Horny. {clap clap clap}

    Want me to go on Rutherford? 😈

  19. And since we can’t show differentiation by color …

    Are you suggesting “white-Americans”? LOL I don’t see anyone calling themselves “black-Americans”. Not sure where you were headed with that one.

  20. “Not sure where you were headed with that one.”

    If you and I want to show we are unique from each other, we can’t point out that I am white and you are black, because you might cry. So we have to say that I am white (because, as you said…me being American is taken fro granted), and you are African-American.

  21. Thanks for again pretending not to get my point. Was it hurtful — perhaps. Was it “racism” in the form you wish to argue requires reverse discrimination? Without context, it’s no different than shit me and my family hear everyday that I don;t label “racist” or the product of slavery because it his human nature to observe and comment on perceived differences. I also mentioned my daughter being teased about basketball. I can give you another about my son who has heard comments about his track team and not being able to run as fast as the blacks.

    There are millions of others if you don’t like the one that leapt to mind. How about white guys can’t dance? These are pejoratives or laugh lines depending on who said them. So spare me the lecture about false equivalencies when it is you that create them. You are also welcomed to respond to my questions. They weren’t purely rhetorical.

    Incidentally, Larry Bird, although a legendary player, couldn’t jump for shit. And for someone that was ta Harvard when you were, you should know that. God. . . a black man that knows nothing of basketball. . . whoops. . . there it goes again. Oh well, I’m a Swedish-American who thinks neither blacks nor Mexicans can be good skiers. Of course that observation must be based on racism rather than my having simply watched the Winter Olympics.

  22. How about European-Americans. Will that suffice? It ain’t like black s from the caribbean want to be called African-American.

  23. Oh well, I’m a Swedish-American who thinks neither blacks nor Mexicans can be good skiers. Of course that observation must be based on racism rather than my having simply watched the Winter Olympics.

    😆 They sink like bricks in the water too. Perhaps instead of building a fence, it would be cheaper to widen the river? 🙂

    Boy, that Irish-African-American O”Bamahammed sure has improved race relations, hasn’t he? Another campaign promise fulfilled!!! We’re in the best of hands.

  24. Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

    Miangel Jaquesha ….Smith. Not her real last name, but it was ordinary.

    Get it? My-Angel?

    Christ on a crutch.

  25. Damn, R – you have a tough crowd here.

    Delightful! By god everybody holds everybody’s feet to the fire…I LIKE that.

    That’s the way we roll on the RL Blog. 😀

  26. If you and I want to show we are unique from each other, we can’t point out that I am white and you are black

    Well, as I said in response to Dyson, that distinction is meaningless except where it regards the legacies we were dealt. Beyond that, I don’t know what being “black” is, nor do I know what being “white” is.

    What I actually said is you can get away with calling yourself Italian (or whatever) without adding the hyphenate. If I were to call myself Nigerian folks would assume I just arrived here. So there is a difference in how cultural background is perceived relative to whites and blacks.

  27. Laura Ingraham, radio slut? Has Bulldog Schultz turned to his left lately and taken a good look at Butch Madcow?

    If we want to talk about clam suckin’ hos, it would be hard for me to believe that Rachel “Butch” Madcow isn’t worth about 16″ of gnarled Secretariat dildo.

    Old gravel voice has the look of being able to suck the chrome off a trailer hitch. My TV suddenly becomes concave when Butch’s Frankenstein haircut appears on screen. I thought I saw bolts the other night.

  28. “Like a typical Tea Party member he does not know what socialism is.” -Rutherford

    Was that a slip?
    ___

    Rutherford, what should white Americans call black Americans? (Serious question. I read for pleasure once and then skimmed looking for an answer to this and didn’t see one, so apologies if I missed it.)

    —–

    Another serious question – has there ever been an answer given as to why it’s called reverse racism as opposed to racism?

    —–

    In any event, “reverse racism” as it relates to reacting to racism strikes me as one of the most natural things in the world. Like a painful exam will cause me to flinch and pull away. It’s the natural thing for me to do.

    I can count on one hand the number of times I have (to my knowledge) been on the receiving end of racism. The most recent and blatant case raised up a fury in me that hung around for weeks.

    I don’t know if black-against-white racism has as much or more or less to do with slavery than with being on the receiving end of incident after incident of (what appears to be) racism.

    Reckless and idle charges of racism by the left against Republicans and the Tea Party has only hurt race relations today. No question in my mind about that.

    Interesting articles, fellas (Rutherford and Gorilla)..

  29. Oh well, I’m a Swedish-American who thinks neither blacks nor Mexicans can be good skiers.

    My kid is not taking to swimming very well and I’ve joked with my wife that black folk don’t do water sports. I don’t call that racism. In fact if one of my kid’s classmates joked with her that blacks don’t do water sports, I’d probably be amused.

    It would be one thing if my kid were sh*tty at gymnastics. But she’s one of the best on the team … not Daddy-bragging … the truth. So the team-mate uses race to try to cut her down to size. I’m not sure what you call that besides racism … no doubt learned from her household. I don’t believe any 7 year old talks that way naturally.

    Everything has context. Racism is like porn …. it may not always be easy to define but we know it when we see it.

    P.S. Tigre, you’ve said in the past that your kid has been hassled racially. And honestly, it broke my heart to read it. No kid deserves that kind of crap being flung at them.

  30. Oh my God Tex. I don’t know whether to laugh or wince, but I seem to have settled on a combination of both. You are gifted.

  31. It ain’t like black s from the caribbean want to be called African-American.

    You wanna know how crazy this stuff gets? Half my family is from Barbados originally. Growing up, I was discouraged from telling anyone that because my parents (my Dad in particular) felt that blacks who identified as islanders were putting on airs and trying to make themselves seem “less black” than their counterparts with African/slave heritage.

    The “stain” has all sorts of wild consequences. My response to Gorilla was based on my sense that he and others think (or want to portray) that we all just woke up this morning and decided to play these destructive roles, devoid of history or context.

    You know it’s funny …. some of you guys have called being liberal a mental illness. The more I think of it the more I think being black in America is a mental illness, precipitated by history. Almost like PTSD or Stockholm Syndrome.

  32. Miangel Jaquesha ….Smith.

    LOL … but Pfesser did you stop to think that Smith was her ancestor’s slave holder’s surname? The stain strikes again. 😉

  33. If we want to talk about clam suckin’ hos, it would be hard for me to believe that Rachel “Butch” Madcow isn’t worth about 16″ of gnarled Secretariat dildo.

    I know I can be a bit slow on the insult uptake but Tex I need that one decoded. Was that a bestiality accusation?

  34. Muffy … ok a cheap shot at the Tea Party but so many folks are throwing around the word “socialism” having no idea what it is. Sadly Bryant was one of those.

    As for what whites “should” call blacks … no answer for that as we’ve gotten ourselves into a bit of a quandary there. Blacks no longer have their original surnames …. haven’t for centuries. AND our country can identify O’Sullivan as Irish or Dagostino as Italian but could not possibly distinguish between a Nigerian surname and a Kenyan one. (I couldn’t either … I’m a typical American.) So it is nearly impossible for a white person to say “oh yeah, the Kenyan (or Kenyan-American) who lives next door to me …”

    Now if the next door neighbor was born in Kenya, that’s a different story. They might likely be referred to as either Kenyan or African.

  35. R –
    As for the ancestor slaveholder’s name – I assume you are kidding, but these names are so unique (That was one of the names, too – Unique Takesha…..but I digress) I am afraid someone would google them up. Since they are patient names that come across my desk I don’t want to give their whole name and thereby identify them. (There are a lot of James Michael Smiths, but not very many Miangel Jaqueshas.)

    I think it is pretty well established that the average specific gravity of black (men especially) makes them less buoyant and not very good in the water. I don’t know that as a fact, but it’s the explanation I have always been given as to why you never see any of these magnificently muscled football player types on the swim team, despite the fact that they must be stronger than a mule. My experience in the pool and beach bear that out. Could be more racism, I suppose…

    I think Rachel Maddow is hot. I must be a lesbian…

  36. I mean, if she really IS gay and had to have it in the backside, I guess I could accommodate that…sigh…

  37. Rutherford,

    I’m at loss to understand how the self-segregation that has occurred in my lifetime, with “ethnic centers” on college campii and “black homecomings and black proms” in high schools around the country accomplish anything more than pissing all over the legacy that people shed blood for in the 1950’s and 1960’s.

    Further, your analysis fails to say anything of substance about how perpetuating quotas/affirmative action/ or other preferences benefits society in any way would actually help to make Dr. King’s dream commonplace.

    Indeed, when standards are lowered to create set asides, it doesn’t condition society at large to the belief that the face they see across the counter, behind the desk, or in the examination room is there because they are the most qualified, but that they are there because someone lowered the standards and saddled them wi\th someone who could not manage to be there of their own accord.

    Whether you agree or not, Mr. Freeman had it right.

    You want people to stop noticing the star on your belly, sneetch, then quit walking around looking down at it all the freaking time.

    Those how would agree with you have insttitutionalized victimhood, and not out of legitimate concern, but because it makes them powerful. Break the cycle…if not for you, then for your daughter,

  38. R –
    Serious question. I have googled up pictures that claim to be you. You don’t LOOK black to me. Is that some kind of inside joke here on the blog or do you have some black ancestry? Is it a variation of the old southern “one drop” rule? (If you have one drop of black blood you are black.) I am not kidding.

  39. “I think Rachel Maddow is hot. I must be a lesbian…”

    No. That makes you a homosexual.

    Ewwwww. . . . 😯

  40. Does anyone say really still say “African American”? Sounds so 1992. And contrived.

    I can understand the black community being jaded. There are millions of black people out there who got screwed over by Jim Crow. For the sake of a happy life, they should follow Pfessor’s advice. Get over it. Easier said then done, I bet.

    Its sad that the Democrats exploit this angst so much.

    Its even worse that guys like Rutherford refuse to critique a policy that has done such obvious damage only because it came from his “team”.

    Rutherford doesn’t give a flying fuck about black people. If he did he would be irate at his own party.

    He uses blacks in a sick, abstract way. They are a means to an end. A convenient tool.

    Always mentioned in an academic fashion, while he dances on the periphery of the real world.

    Sambo can vote. Sambo can also vilify the position. Woah Sambo, go back to your ghetto, now. I only like you on paper. Here, take this block of cheese and 100 vicadins and call me in November.

  41. As for the ancestor slaveholder’s name – I assume you are kidding,

    No I wasn’t referring to the unique part of the name …. I was referring to the “Smith”. Smith, Jones, Jackson, etc. are obviously not original surnames from Africa. They are anglo names, in many cases passed on from slave owners.

  42. I mean, if she really IS gay and had to have it in the backside, I guess I could accommodate that…sigh…

    Terribly off topic and maybe I’ve watched too much porn, but lesbians don’t necessarily want it up the backside. 😐 It’s gay guys who need to substitute the back door for the front door.

    By the way, while I don’t consider her “hot”, I find Rachel perfectly pleasant looking and her intellect does indeed turn me on.

    Waiting for the backlash ….
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    2
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  43. I think Rachel Maddow looks like Jon Stewart in drag. I’ll bet Butch smells like a man – in a construction uniform.

    Why does it wear lipstick? I’ve always wondered that.

    Pfesser, you’ve got to be kidding me? Butch is hot? Catherine Zeta Jones is hot. The FOX girls are hot. Rita Hayworth and Grace Kelly were hot.

    To paraphrase Muhammad Ali, Buttplug Madcow is so ugly that she should donate her face to the US Bureau of Wild Life.

  44. Serious question.

    Pfesser, the gang at Fat Grannies beat you to it. In fact I stumbled upon their kitchen claptrap web site or whatever they call it, and found them conjecturing that I was lying about being black.

    The answer is yes … I’m a mutt … complicated family tree that does include some white folk. (Although you will find many folks with “island” background come in various colors.)

    This is one of the reasons I know being black in America is more than skin color. In a sense, being black in America simply means not being white. It’s a psychological thing. Probably too hard to get into meaningfully on a blog board.

    P.S. That’s why a careful reading of my article does some good. I usually write EXACTLY what I mean … case in point:

    Even if you don’t have a single slave in your family tree, your dark skin or other physical features (in my case large lips and nose) associate you with that shameful legacy.

    P.P.S. We used to have a dude named Elric on this blog who insisted the “one drop rule” was a myth.

  45. Disabled and a mutt. What a monster…. 😉 Well, we can’t accuse you of not being diversified and multicultured.

    Rutherford, you are a piece of work. Sometimes, you make me laugh harder when you’re only half attempting to be cute.

    So when’s the big move and what’s the plan? Hope you have a good mother-in-law. 🙂

  46. Tex funny you should mention mother-in-law. One reason we like Naperville is that it is a comfortable day visit to the in-laws but not so close as to be too close if you catch my drift.

    Sadly my mother-in-law is deceased but there’s lots of family left.

  47. Actually, I had a wonderful mother-in-law, whom my own wife reminds me very much. The two most selfless people I’ve ever met, and I just happened to get lucky enough to marry the daughter.

    Tragically, my mother-in-law unexpectedly died 14 years ago and I miss her. Thanksgiving and Christmas have never been the same.

  48. Rutherford, I know Glenn Beck drives you nuts and you probably hate his guts, but if you were honest, you would have to admit he can be pretty damn funny. Glenn just said this Obama Brit trip reminded Glenn of Obama becoming Clark Griswald in European vacation. 😆 😆

    This trip has been so botched with one abjectly stupid gaffe after another, even I’ve winced – it’s been so painful to watch. That talking and toasting over the Brit national anthem was the worst Bongo blunder I’ve witnessed since O’Bamahammed gave the Indian shout out before addressing the audience about the jihadist deaths at Ft. Hood minutes before. I think the savage slips out on occasion.

    Come on Rutherford! You’re an educated and polished man. I know damn well you recognize a couple pieces of trash when you see them. Deep down in the small recesses of that once find mind, I picture you standing with your hand over your gaping mouth thinking, “This man is a disgrace and buffoon when the teleprompter is removed from sight. I’ll never live this down with my rotten tormentors on the blog.” 😈

    Aren’t you getting tired of defending this buffoonish poseur?

  49. Here we are at comment #64 and R has yet to address a single element of my initial comment, nor has he even addressed my post, which he claimed this would do.

    I curious R, when will this occur?

  50. Here’s offering a diversion from the racially charged rhetoric, so’s my Italian-American side won’t get offended with youse guys :cool:.

    Just the facts…

    “…the claim that conspiracies couldn’t have happened or else we would have known when someone bragged about their deeds [is] completely false.

    Conspiracies are generally not discovered unless the facts are aggressively investigated and prosecuted.”

    Forget about it.

    In light of these incidents and facts, most of you still believe the lies. Too bad. Only the truth will set you free.

  51. From some reports I’m hearing, suffice it to say Obama left his brain at the security check at Heathrow.

    Its ok. It was a rental.

    No, that was the teleprompter. It missed the timing of the toast. I’m surprised O”Bamahammad didn’t break out in a stanza of Danny Boy during the anthem with pub brew in hand. What a dumbass. 😆

    Hey Rutherford? You know that pet rock that pops in periodically named Ms. Puppet? If you detest Fat Grannies as much as I do but wish your message of detestation to reach the masses of dumbasses without appearance, simply post here. She’ll post it for you, though she’ll get your name confused when posting. 🙂 A complete brick.

  52. Man, don’t read anything about that tornado if you don’t want to hear about dead toddlers.

    I hate this fucking world sometimes.

  53. R, this has been a very interesting post. I agree with some of (alomost) everyone. A couple of points: I don’t know if it’s “true” or not, but I had previously read that the unusual first names of African-Americans were because of what you mentioned: slaves had no last names of their own as they were required to adopt the last names of the master, and that tradition is still true. There are whole huge white and black families whose last names are the same around here. There are a lot of former plantations in these parts. So they tried to make the first names as unique as possible. It is a tradition that, however, seems to have gotten a little out of hand.
    “Island” heritage and it being uppity (which I believe is really what you were saying). In New Orleans, if you had somewhat dark skin, Creole was the thing to claim, and the claimed Creoles ruled the city and had for generations. The Times-Picayune once did a series called “What Race Am I/” They posted pictures of people on the front page, with the “answers” on the inside,, and you would be very surprised to find how easy it was to get the answers wrong. It depended very much, or mostly, on the skin color of the family members the individual most identifed with. I loved living there in many ways…it was a true melting pot. However, cautionary note: I once said to my boss, who was black. I love this place. Everyone seems to get along because no one knows who to hate! And he said, I think you’re wrong. I think it just gives white people more people (with dark skin) to hate. But he was wrong.

  54. Rabbit, that’s just a way of life around here in Oklahoma. It happens, just like it happens in drunken car wrecks, OKC bombings, twisted mothers, and violent fathers. There is no rhyme or reason, and I hate it when I hear someone say, “God was looking out for us” when they survive. So that means God wasn’t looking out for the innocent toddler, but was looking out for you?

    Sorry, doesn’t work that way. I survive and I’ll answer, “I was lucky and fate was on my side.” It rains on both the just and unjust.

    This world is in serious need of an enema, no doubt. And though I seldom agree with Poolman, I do believe he is right about one very important thing. You are witnessing the “birth pains” spoken of long ago. I believe things are going to get much worse…

  55. “Actually, I had a wonderful mother-in-law, whom my own wife reminds me very much. The two most selfless people I’ve ever met, and I just happened to get lucky enough to marry the daughter.”

    My MIL spent her life complaining about her misspent life and how she had a wonderful career as a legal secretary to a local notable, but John (as good a man as ever lived) “made her marry him and have kids.” Fuck me running. Her skills wouldn’t fill a thimble.

    She told her daughter (my first wife) that she never wanted kids. She also failed to teach her anything about keeping house or having kids or anything else like that – maybe because she didn’t know anything about it herself. Her idea of dinner was to pour corn out of a can and get a chicken at Kroger already cooked, heat it up and cut off slices. Oddly enough her daughter thought the same. You should teach your male children to look very very closely at their beloved’s mother before they get too tangled up with her.

    After 26 bliss-filled years of matrimony I told my wife one night, “Women are complicated; men are simple: feed ’em, fuck ’em and take care of their children and they will never stray. Hell, I’m easy; I would stay if you had done any of the three. You are of no value to me as a wife whatsoever and you are fired. And thank your mother for me for doing such a good job. Have a nice day” You might have guessed I had practiced that for a long time. It was almost as much fun as telling her sister she was a fucking moron, but THAT was sublime.

    I don’t think Mom ever liked me much, but I don’t know why. Hell, I even bought her a nice straight-backed chair. Unfortunately my wife wouldn’t let me plug it in.

    Sorry to bore you with my feelings of love for my wonderful MIL. Lost me ‘ead there…glad you love yours. Want to trade?

  56. Hey Rutherford. Once or twice a month, I try to make it by Fat Grannies to rattle the monkey cage. I left another “gaper” tonight, which means I’ll have to change my ID again and cop another name to bypass their lame security. They’ll never figure it out. 😆

    Fake thinks I’m an insane a psychological terrorist and stalker (she’s ‘psycho’ analyzed me from some chump psychobabble site, then snuffed the post I noticed tonight when I went over to leave a “terrorizing” love message 😈 ). And she is just sure that is why I am adopting another name. 😎 I think Fake’s technical skills are on par with her debating skills. Did you know I’m a stalker Rutherford?. 😈 The one post I left was advice on her dog to be nice, and that makes me some kind of stalking wacko. The post made me laugh out loud.

    With respect to you, I allow you to nominate my new name so Flake understands why I had to do that.

  57. I don’t think Mom ever liked me much, but I don’t know why. Hell, I even bought her a nice straight-backed chair. Unfortunately my wife wouldn’t let me plug it in.

    😆 😆

    I’ve got to add that to my personal repertoire. Great line.

    I tell you Pfesser. If I could give good advice to any young man about marriage, it would be to take a good look at the mother-in-law. Because about nine times out of ten, that’s what you are going to end up with. I was fortunate.

  58. Gorilla, here goes:

    My issue is that he chooses to be centric on race while complaining about racism. These are two sides of the same coin, and it is a currency that provides no value.

    I think I addressed this. Dyson is terribly conflicted. He wants to embrace being “black” but only so long as it meets some narrow definition that he likes.

    Now, as for “white entertainment television” again G, you don’t get it. It is not so much that it would be offensive as it would be unnecessary. As I stated in my piece (which you seem to think doesn’t address yours) the default in America is white. I keep up with primetime schedules pretty well. I’ve always been a TV addict. If I’m not mistaken on the four major networks (ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox) there is not one single comedy featuring a black as the star right now. So where do blacks go to see people who look like them on TV? They go to BET. Personally I’m not entertained enough by BET to have to go there in search of blacks, but I understand folks who do. And this is visceral. When my seven year old watches TV, she reacts differently when she sees blacks. It is so damn uncommon that she notices it. And yes, she does find some self-validation in seeing people who look more like her from time to time. I don’t encourage this. It is natural to her. I let it take its course. (When she sees blacks acting like fools, I make sure she understands it’s foolish …. same as when whites act like fools on TV … by the way, for another entire post, the total downfall of Disney as it parades little whores for young girls to worship. Disgusting.)

    Bryant asks where are the German, Italian, etc. leaders. AGAIN you and Bryant don’t get it. The disenfranchised look for leaders to give them hope and direction. Every minority cause throughout history (suffrage, etc.) has involved leaders. HELL, one of the unusual things about the Tea Party Movement is its lack of a leader. White folks, contrary to your belief, are not disenfranchised in this country. And until Barack Obama came along, all any white needed to do to see a leader like him was to look to the White House.

    The issues of today have nothing- NOTHING- to do with slavery and everything to do with current politics.

    Wrong wrong wrong. The issues of today cannot be taken out of historical context. You say I didn’t address your post but THAT is the answer. You CANNOT ignore history. Now the question is what do we do to make things right?

    I prefer aggressive job training programs to classic affirmative action. I believe that it is noble for institutions like Harvard to seek a diverse student body but only to the extent that everyone meets the same minimum standards to get in. I do not argue with you one bit that it is wrong to hire unqualified people based on race. In some jobs (like firefighters) it is not only wrong, it is dangerous. BUT, fire departments do have a history of racism. They have been notorious for making it difficult for blacks. A solution is needed. We can agree that the solution should not compromise the quality of the fire fighter.

    One final thought before I go to bed. (I was up late last night writing the post that in no way related to your article. 😐 )

    Actions speak louder than words. The reason I can ignore the Democratic Party’s racist past is that they changed. They didn’t offer mere rhetoric. They instituted the Great Society. They abide by the concept that the little guy counts. That we don’t live in a plutocracy. Sadly, the GOP changed too. Around 1968, the GOP decided to pander to folks who were afraid of social change and afraid of blacks in particular.

    Wouldn’t it be nice if both parties worked actively to solicit the support of minorities? I’d love a country in which Republicans worked their ass off to spread their big business, pro-capitalism, let’s all get rich, philosophy to the ghetto. Blacks don’t vote GOP not because they are enslaved by the Democratic welfare state. They don’t vote GOP because GOPhers have made it clear they don’t care about their vote. What I wouldn’t give to see Mitt Romney doing town halls in Harlem talking about entrepreneurship and self-determination. Why don’t we see a GOPher in 2012 be audacious and try to steal the black vote from Obama?

    I’m going to bed.

  59. By the way, off topic, I just heard Ed Schulz issue an on air apology to Laura Ingraham for calling her a slut.

    He’ll be off the air for a period of time. He claims he offered his own suspension to the NBC brass … maybe he was pushed … I don’t know. But he did give a no excuses apology.

    I actually doubt if the tables were turned that Laura would have done the same.

  60. “I actually doubt if the tables were turned that Laura would have done the same.”

    Like anyone would believe fat-ass Ed Schulz is a slut….

  61. “Growing up, I was discouraged from telling anyone that because my parents (my Dad in particular) felt that blacks who identified as islanders were putting on airs and trying to make themselves seem “less black” than their counterparts with African/slave heritage”

    Black people got to those islands they same way they got here…on slave ships. And it is my understanding that there were more slaves on the islands than there were here.

  62. They changed? So they create the conditions for segragation and enforce such through legal and illegal institutions, then, sensing the political winds changing (MLK) they suddenly jump forward crying we have the answer…and you believe them.

    Fine then, address my point: every major black population center is controlled by Dems, and has been for decades. Why has the state of the blacks in those communities not improved? Under your theory, life should be fucking hunky dorey, but it isn’t. Explain to me Prince George County, MD; Baltimore, MD; Washington D.C.; Detroit, MI; NY, NY; Oakland, CA; LA, CA; tell me why all of these major urban populations are not better off?

    Maybe you haven’t noticed, but the states most likely to fail right now are almost all exclusively BLUE states. Hmmmmmmmmm…..whose pandering?

    You know, there’s little point to this. All this comment essentially says is that you have a self-esteem issue, and until the GOP is willing to blow smoke up your ass so you “feel” better, you’re going to continue to cut your own throat, apparently in a cry for help. You’re a suicide victim I guess. Your abortion rate, your broken family epidemic, your collapsing educated generations… all that is the result of a single presidential run in 1968 looking to capture votes in the south. Noooooooo, it would have NOTHING to do with the policies that have been enacted by Dems since that time.

    R, you’re stupid. Blindly, foolishly stupid. You exemplify the mantra that you can lead a jackass to water, but you can’t make him drink…

  63. Classic!!! Your party R. You know, those folks committed to their word!

    (Washington Examiner) – Zero Senate Democrats voted to move forward on President Obama’s 2012 budget proposal, and the motion to proceed on it failed by a unanimous 0-97 vote.

    What this means is that thus far, no Senate Democrat has voted in favor of any budget plan.

    As Guy Benson notes, this was the same Obama budget that Democrats effusively praised when it was released in February:

    SEN. HARRY REID (D-NV): “President Obama’s budget is a serious attempt…” (Sen. Reid, Press Release, 2/14/11)

    SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D-NY): “This is a responsible proposal… I believe this approach should have bipartisan support.” (Sen. Schumer Press Release, 2/15/11)

    SEN. CHRIS COONS (D-DE): “I am encouraged … I applaud the President for remaining committed to innovation…” (Sen. Coons, Press Release, 2/14/11)

    SEN. TOM CARPER (D-DE): “The President’s budget is an important step forward…”(Sen. Carper, Press Release, 2/14/11)

    SEN. MARIA CANTWELL (D-WA): “I applaud President Obama…” (Sen. Cantwell, Press Release, 2/14/11)

    SEN. JEANNE SHAHEEN (D-NH): “…a responsible framework…”(Sen. Shaheen, Press Release, 2/14/11)

    SEN. BILL NELSON (D-FL): “I personally think that the President’s budget is a step in the right direction.”(U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Hearing, 2/16/11)

    SEN. KENT CONRAD (D-ND): “The President’s budget gets it about right in the first year.”(Sen. Conrad, Press Release, 2/14/11)

    SEN. BEN CARDIN (D-MD): “President Obama has given us a credible blueprint…” (Sen. Cardin, Press Release, 2/14/11)

    SEN. KAY HAGAN (D-NC): “…a good start.” (Sen. Hagan, Press Release, 2/14/11)

    SEN. HERB KOHL (D-WI): “The President’s budget is a good first step…” (Sen. Kohl, Press Release, 2/14/11)

    SEN. KIRSTEN GILLIBRAND (D-NY): “… the President’s budget provides a good place to start the conversation.”(Sen. Gillibrand, Press Release, 2/14/11)

    SEN. RICHARD BLUMENTHAL (D-CT): “…the President’s budget provides a good blueprint for achieving many of our shared goals.” (Sen. Blumenthal, Press Release, 2/14/11)

    SEN. FRANK LAUTENBERG (D-NJ): “President Obama’s budget presents a careful evaluation of what our nation needs…” (Sen. Lautenberg Press Release, 2/14/11)

    SEN. MAX BAUCUS (D-MT): “The President’s budget… strengthens our economy…” (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Hearing, 2/16/11)

    SEN. SHERROD BROWN (D-OH): “The President’s budget proposal will put us on track…” (Sen. Brown, Press Release, 2/14/11)

    SEN. AL FRANKEN (D-MN): “The President’s budget proposal is headed in the right direction…” (Sen. Franken, Press Release, 2/14/11)

    SEN. TOM HARKIN (D-IA): “…the President has proposed a balanced approach…” (Sen. Harkin, Press Release, 2/14/11)

    SEN. TOM UDALL (D-NM): “… it’s a solid starting point.” (Sen. Udall, Press Release, 2/14/11)

  64. “Pfesser, dag, 26 years is a long time to figure out it ain’t working. Did you stay together that long for the kids? Just askin’.”

    Yep. Got married at 24, but because of med school and all we postponed having kids until our thirties. It took us several years to have kids so we were about 40 when the last one was born. All the adoration that should have gone went to my wife went to my kids. They were my whole life, but I finally realized that my marriage was hurting them too. I had planned to wait until the last child was eighteen and in college. I went to a kid shrink and had about a two hour talk about how to minimize the effect on them and decided to pull the trigger ten years ago.

    She was right; it was the best thing I ever did. I would have had another eight years of torture and so would my children, who lived with me nearly the whole time – by choice. I’m remarried to the perfect woman and my kids have done so very much better. The last boy graduated high school last Friday. Kind of long and convoluted post.

  65. And it is my understanding that there were more slaves on the islands than there were here.

    You could be right, I have no idea. The bottom line is that the Sneetches phenom rears its ugly head again. Within every group where you think common ground might be found, yet another method of discrimination occurs. So among blacks (as FN alluded to) skin color creates its own hierarchy (the lighter the better) and country of origin matters too.

    What’s funny is no matter how silly our parent’s preoccupations are they still embed within us. I’m still conditioned not to identify any connection with Barbados even though as an adult it seems awfully silly.

  66. I actually doubt if the tables were turned that Laura would have done the same.

    I actually doubt Laura Ingraham would have needed to apologize in the first place, as she has something woefully missing in liberal circles.

    Couth…

  67. Pfesser, life is complicated ain’t it? Thanks for the extra info … more than I deserved to know … but these details sometimes help everyone here remember they’re yelling and screaming at “real people” who have gone through their own sh*t. Easy to forget that on a blog forum.

  68. G, point me to the most affluent successful communities in the United States and tell me how many blacks reside there. What happened? Did the Democratic party round them all up in buses and ship them off to ghettos? Are we in Poland?

    You see your Detroit, Oakland, rant only makes sense if you can point to conservative enclaves and show me how well blacks are doing there. Then we have a controlled experiment that proves conservative principles are better for blacks. Can you do that?

    Now I get to wait for your response. 😉

  69. I tell you, R, you can split the hair finer and finer and search and search for “differences” and excuses, but at some point you have to say that, no matter how thin you slice baloney, it’s still baloney – and then man up and quit focusing your efforts on how victimized you are. Yep, I’m still traumatized by Culloden and Boadicea, but I finally decided that I needed to get over it and get on with life.

    That’s the whole point: folks can sit and whine (and believe me, nobody cares) or they can put on their big boy pants and get to work. If they choose the latter, they can move forward, if the former, they hurt nobody but themselves.

  70. Reading this stories of bad wives makes me grateful. Damn grateful. Perhaps my judgment is better than I thought.

    I’ve been a complete screw up virtually my entire life it seems, but I sure got the most important earthly decision right. Obviously, God smiled on one of his many fools.

    My wife meets the Pfesser Mother/Lover/Cook Standardized Rating Scale with an AAA rating in two of the three rankings. There was a time she scored a perfect report card – now I drag my ass over to observe the world’s best mother in action when the plate is empty. 🙂

  71. Laura Ingraham has couth? Bwahahahahahahahaha!!! 😆

    See Rutherford. You operate under a false premise. To recognize couth, one must first understand couth. You don’t.

    So, it doesn’t surprise me in the least that you would find people like Laura Ingraham distasteful, masturbating to most unsophisticated, most unrefined people on earth: Bill Maher, Janeane Garofalo, Butch Madcow,Keith Olbermann.

    I’m guessing your closest associates are cut out of the same classless cloth.

  72. Pfesser,

    Your timetable in this thread seems to contradict something I thought I read previously about your high school. I must have misunderstood.

    So it’s really none of my damn business, but you are obviously younger than I initially thought. That’s good for you. 😉

  73. Pfesser.

    Rutherford is not your typical “African-American” victim. What’s ironic is his parents did a fine job of educating him, raising him that excuse making won’t cut it and it obviously worked. Rutherford was able to make his way into an Ivy League by not only being “a person of color”, but being disabled – very admirable record, no matter the situation.

    You would think Rutherford would be the last person on earth stuck with the slavery syndrome of “woe is us po colored folk.”

    Makes no sense, I know, but I’ve often asked Rutherford without cogent response why he doesn’t hear Jews complaining about Pharaoh’s lack of offered reparation and necessary groveling. 🙂

  74. point me to the most affluent successful communities in the United States and tell me how many blacks reside there.

    The military – overwhelmingly Conservative and not coddled. You don’t get that either.

  75. quit focusing your efforts on how victimized you are.

    Pfesser, I’m sure you didn’t mean the personal “you” when you wrote that but just to be clear: I had a great upbringing, went to one of the finest schools in the country, and spent 24 mostly good years at one of the most successful corporations in the world. Any setbacks I’ve had in life I’ve mostly blamed myself. So I don’t view myself as a victim in the least. What little discrimination I’ve experienced usually involved my proving the bastards wrong (success is the best revenge).

    With all that said, I am NOT one of those blacks (or disabled) who assume that what has worked for me works for everyone. I was the luckiest kid in the world to be born to parents who didn’t institutionalize me because of my disability. Luck has played a major role in my success. When I write about race I do so with the assumption that many have not had my breaks.

  76. Luck has played a major role in my success. When I write about race I do so with the assumption that many have not had my breaks.

    Since when did you get the idea this axiom is limited to blacks? That rule holds for every living creed and color on earth Rutherford. Again, the only demographic in America I observe still living in the egregious sins of the past are blacks.

    You think these Cambodians that immigrated here on boats escaping the Khmer Rouge and made something of themselves lived a less difficult life than some public housing child?

    You are part of the problem Rutherford – a man of your caliber ought to be out there telling blacks to clean up their own backyard before the first bitch. Instead, you read more like Al Sharpton anymore. If you’re going to continue this theme, then you ought to determine a way to capitalize on the race hustling. 😎

  77. “Within every group where you think common ground might be found, yet another method of discrimination occurs.”

    Ironically, this was 1 of 2 topics in seminar discussion last night. The article we were discussing was talking about the way Chinese outside of China identify themselves. For example, some call themselves Indonesian Chinese, while others call themselves Chinese Indonesians. Even more interesting (to me anyway) is that some of them are doing this online, while they are no longer in China or Indonesia. I thought about our online discussion here throughout the whole class discussion.

  78. I mean, saying Sgt. Schultz is stupid doesn’t attack his character, just his intellect, and since he isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed, I tend to view it more as a statement of fact

    Ditto on him being fat.

    Promiscuity still isn’t the issue for guys as it is for gals, and nolt many people would believe Ed’s got it coming out his ears unless he’s paying for it, so that would be considered a punchline, not an attack against his character either, so again I ask Rutherford, how, under what potentially conceivable circumstance do you see Laura Ingraham being able to even similarly impugn his character?

    Some days, I swear you aren’t “stuck on stupid”, you’re welded to it.

  79. R-
    No I did not mean “you” personally, I should have said “one.”

    Along that line, where one stands depends on where one sits. I came from the head of the holler in the middle of the coalfields of West Virginia, from poor white Scots stock, in an area where good education was unknown. From every POV a disadvantaged situation. Yet I, as a member of the white male minority – the only minority for which there is NO help – had to scratch against not only those who had a leg up from birth, but those who, no worse off than me, had an additional leg up because of their color or sex. Jesus, talk about starting out at the bottom of the barrel.

    It is tempting to correct past wrongs by doing current wrongs, but it is a mirage. It never works. One needs to eschew that temptation and just level the playing field – for real, otherwise you will cause more trouble than you solve.

  80. “Well the devil’s in the details, isn’t it Pfesser? How do we level the playing field?”

    No problem at all. Treat everybody exactly the same. No leg-up in any way for any-body. At the drag strip we used to call it, “You run what you brung.”

    When you get into meddling, trying to correct every little perceived slight, you are opening a real can of worms. Just say everybody is equal and treat them like you believe it.

  81. Still waiting for Gorilla to point me to that grand conservative experiment where blacks are doing so well.

    Waiting …. 🙂

    P.S. And the military does not count, Tex. That is not a community in the sense of free society. Besides, the military was segregated until 1951, 3 years after Truman demanded it be integrated. (1)

  82. IANAL, but I have always believed the most important part of American law is the concept of equal treatment before the law. Prince or pauper, black or white, little or big, male or female – you are all equal in the eyes of the law.

    Except now.

    And that, my friends, is the problem.

  83. As for the chorus of fools who jumped on my Laura Ingraham comment …. it’s a bit harder to insult a man in as vile a way as Laura was insulted. That being the case, if there was any contemptible thing she could have said about Schultz, I doubt we would have seen an apology.

  84. “So how do we prove someone is NOT treating everyone the same way and what do we do when we discover that?”

    “We” don’t do anything. The person who feels the law has been broken files a complaint. It will either be upheld or it won’t.

  85. Rutherford, considering that 90 something percent of all blacks vote liberal, your question is unfair.

    We need to find the enclave of conservative blacks BEFORE we analyze their quality of life en masse.

    The absence of said enclave doesn’t necessitate a failure of conservatism.

    Secondly, the one thing I like about conservatism is there really isn’t some top-down, one size fits all grand scheme. Individualism is exactly that. Individualism.

    So, really, we don’t need the “enclave” after all. I guarantee you conservative voting blacks are doing awesome compared to the rest of the vote zombies and Sharpton toads.

  86. As for the chorus of fools who jumped on my Laura Ingraham comment …. it’s a bit harder to insult a man in as vile a way as Laura was insulted. That being the case, if there was any contemptible thing she could have said about Schultz, I doubt we would have seen an apology.

    Based on what, exactly?

    Sgt. Schultz has repeatedly demonstrated a taste of his own foot, as demonstrated by a case of Athlete’s Tongue so powerful that he can’t halp spitting and sputtering whenever he’s in front of a microphone. His giving lie to the myth of leftist civility was virtually certain.

    However, I can’t think of any instance I am aware of where Ms. Ingraham has displayed an equivalent vulgarity or the pettiness which you freely ascribe to her. Perhaps you can come up with an example or three that would support your hypothesis?

    Hell, she’s even nice to the world’s only living brain donot, Juan Williams, which is a feat that I could only accomplish if he kept his mouth shut.

    Basically, its a non-issue, R. A lefty twatwaffle opened his cockholster to a national audience and said what he really thought. Outrage ensued as people reacted to the revelation of what has been obvious to some of us for years.

    I don’t really have a lot of heartburn for this, Ingraham has accomplished what the mildly-retarded Lilliputian could not. She actually has an audience, lands interesting interviews, and writes books that people actually read. Now what would have made this entertaining is if he’d said it about Ann Coulter. But I find solace in the idea that it could still happen. He obviously isn’t above enetering into battles of wits while unarmed.

  87. So how do we prove someone is NOT treating everyone the same way and what do we do when we discover that?

    Are you honestly suggesting that there are not standards of proof of discrimination, or that there is no legal remedy for discrimination that meets those standards? Um, ooooooookkkkkkay.

    How is the weather on your planet, anyway?

  88. Well the devil’s in the details, isn’t it Pfesser? How do we level the playing field?

    Back when I was a lowly 1-L, sitting in my Con Law II course, I started to read the SCOTUS footnotes in the Bakke case, and what I thought was interesting was that the black applicants to the Univeristy of California Med School needed to have the standards lowered for them to be admitted.

    I asked the professor, who was himself black, and working on an Amicus Brief in the U of Mich admissions case about that curious little twist.

    His response was that “remediation” was necessary, because blacks didn’t have those kinds of opportunities prior to the civil rights movement. I then asked if perhaps they and the public might both be better served by having the “remediation” occur at the undergraduate level instead. He asked why I thought so. I asked him if he wanted to be the patient of the Doc who had to have the standards lowered considerably in order to get into med school. I added, “I sure don’t. And I’m betting that a lot of the others in here don’t either.”

    He stammered for a moment, muttered some nonsense about the beneficial learning evnrionment that comes from a diverse class, but as it became clear that he wasn’t even winning over my black classmates with the argument, he trailed off, moved on with the lecture, and refused to call on me for the rest of the semester.

  89. I was just sitting here depressed after seeing a man grieving on TV after loosing two of his boys to the tornado. Not in the mood to LOL. But then I read the phrase “cock holster” in reference to somebody’s mouth and instantly laugh out loud.

    Ahh..That fucking cracked me up.

  90. Blackiswhite I.C.

    I had a little example of that, oddly enough. When I was in med school, we had a “transplant surgeon,” Dr. Marshall A. He was the first black MD I had met – a rarity back then. He never seemed to have much on the ball, even to a green third-year med student. I kept informal tabs on him, wondering if he had got in on the affirmative action plan, which was all the rage in those days as everyone struggled to meet quotas, etc.

    He lasted about a year at our school, and to my knowledge never had a SINGLE successful renal transplant. I had to laugh a little when I was on his service one day and a prospective transplant patient asked him straight out, “Are you a good doctor or are you one of those affirmative action doctors?”

    He said he was good. Humph…a liar AND a hack.

  91. P.S. And the military does not count, Tex. That is not a community in the sense of free society.

    Surprise, surprise, surprise. The ultimate community in a free society, as it all volunteer and color blind, and Rutherford even chokes on that obvious truth. No wonder fine men like Alan West find you a revolting lackey and disgrace.

    Rutherford, you’re going to have to learn the art, the tools of the shake down, or starve to death if you’re going to go down this road. 🙄 You don’t want to level the playing field. You want your collective asses wiped.

    I don’t understand you. You’re entire life has been one of high achievement, overcoming difficult obstacles, and just about the time your own personal story could be ascribed as living testament to what to be for every black child including your own, now you want to revert to being Prissy, the house servant.

    You have many gifts my friend – timing ain’t one of them, and for that matter neither is your choice for the road you’re pulling out on. You cheat yourself and will never be the benefactor of the many gifts that have been bestowed on you until you change your thoughts.

  92. Speaking of douche bags, Rutherford tell me again one more time how highly intelligent magna cum O’Bama is for old times sake? 😎

    February 2009:

    — POTUS returns the valuable bust of Churchill the British loaned us, without telling the British government first.

    March 2009:

    — POTUS doesn’t greet the British PM at the airport.

    — POTUS gives the nearly-blind British PM a gift of not particularly special DVDs that won’t play on British DVD players.

    April 2009:

    — FLOTUS breaks protocol by touching the Queen.

    — FLOTUS gives the Queen an iPod with Obama speeches on it.

    — POTUS calls Britain “England” in a speech in Britain.

    May 2009:

    — Administration excludes the Queen from D-Day anniversary plans.

    June 2010:

    — POTUS repeatedly refers to BP as “British Petroleum”, triggering annoyance in Britain (BP is a merger of British Petroleum and the American Oil Co).

    We’re in the best of hands. Here’s a scary thought. Joe Biden was running the country while O’Bozo was in Britain. {shivers}

  93. Two things amaze me.

    There were speeches on the ipod gift? Holy shit thats funny. What a total …well….douche bag.

    Secondly, a pack of DVDs?

  94. A pack of DVD’s – O’Zero is a cheap bastard as well as being completely unrefined. 🙂

    I don’t give a damn what this worthless, lying pack of Dimocrats cheer lead about O’Bama daily. O’Bama is relatively unsophisticated, historically inept and he is a global disgrace off the prepped speech as he now demonstrates virtually everyday. Biden is a complete moron, whose only real talent is to be so incredibly stupid and clumsy, he helps us to pray nothing happens to O’Bama before next November.

    Moe and Curly personified.

  95. I think I’m gonna pass on a black doctor next time if I have a choice. Why risk it?

    I love you brother Rabbit but that was the dumbest thing I’ve read all day. 😐

    Hopefully your sense of humor is returning post-tornado.

  96. Rutherford, considering that 90 something percent of all blacks vote liberal, your question is unfair.

    Not in the least. When is the last time a GOPher cared about the black vote? And I don’t mean “pandering to them”. I mean just talking to them. When is the last time a GOPher went into the ghetto and delivered a Cosby speech about self respect and self determination? When is the last time a GOPher campaigned in the ghetto and said “if you just give me a chance, I’ve got ideas that will clean up your neighborhoods and get you back to work.”

    One of the reasons blacks don’t vote Republican is that Republicans of late have shown indifference to blacks. If we accept your supposition that the Democratic party actually keeps the black man down, then let’s extend the metaphor a bit. You ever hear of the woman who stays in an abusive relationship because any attention is better than none?

    Let’s have the GOP pay some real attention to blacks and see what happens.

    I guarantee you conservative voting blacks are doing awesome compared to the rest of the vote zombies and Sharpton toads.

    Once folks get their hands on some money, many of them figure out that conservatism is the best way to KEEP their money. Blacks would be no different.

  97. Oops, you can tell I’m having fun baiting the dolts that Poolman cavorts with over at Fat Grannies and that asylum known as Chatty Kitchen, or something thereabouts. It’s so pathetic, I won’t even leave a made up name. 😆

    They think I’m trying to be “anonymous” at Fat Grannies using ‘Wayne.’

    Jack asses don’t realize to bypass my first ‘banning’ 😈 I had to change my name too. I wonder how one lives with the fact they are even dumber than Joe Biden? I think the next name I choose after I get banned the second time which should be any moment, I am going to choose something incredibly vulgar and misogynistic so Flake can diagnose me some more.

    ———-

    Poolman, I’m sorry about your home, and good luck in the new business ventures. Seems to me your skill sets would transfer pretty easily to a multitude of capacities.

    But why do you buddy up with that pack of rank propagandists and mule faced nags? Every time I look at Queen Jean’s gravatar, my skin wrinkles.

    You’re like two different people on these blogs brother. Doesn’t make you read too true to yourself. Don’t forget, that pack of jackals was trying to damage Rutherford and advertise everything about his personal life. This is scum you’re playing with. Hope you realize that.

  98. One of the reasons blacks don’t vote Republican is that Republicans of late have shown indifference to black.

    Complete and utter horseshit. They’ve genuflected to those bunch of whores and pimps – and that is their mistake.

  99. You think these Cambodians that immigrated here on boats escaping the Khmer Rouge and made something of themselves lived a less difficult life than some public housing child?

    I cannot believe you are so thick on this one. I cannot believe I need to spell this out. Blacks are the only minority for which America was not the land of opportunity. It was, instead, the land where you lost your identity, lost your status as a human being (you became property), lost your ability to earn wages, need I go f*cking on????

    You CANNOT compare the black immigrant experience in this country to that of any other minority. When you make comparisons like that it is no wonder you don’t get it.

  100. Admission: I let my disdain for Laura Ingraham get the best of me. While she is incredibly snarky I can’t say she’s ever sunk to the level of Schultz.

    In fact, I’ve heard a few Ed meltdown clips from his radio show today and I must admit I didn’t know he was that much of a whack job. He is comparatively civil on his TV show.

  101. They’ve genuflected to those bunch of whores and pimps – and that is their mistake.

    Which “they” are you talking about? Are you smoking dope? Please elaborate and name names. Which GOPhers have fallen over themselves to ingratiate the “black community” (apologies to El Tigre for using the phrase)?

  102. I just visited Fat Grannies to get a handle on what is going on with Poolman and couldn’t find it. (Gawd, another five mins of my life I can’t get back.)

    But NOP, if you do visit this thread any time soon, I can state with 99% certainty that Tex is not Noah. I can also state with 100% certainty that he has never bragged about being Noah on this blog. Now he has bragged about another alias, but I’ll leave you to figure that one out. You owe Noah an apology.

    P.S. Sorry NOP … I’m not posting this comment at M&H. Atmosphere there way too toxic … even for a liberal. So I hope you find this here.

  103. Rutherford, this is the same lowbrow depravity you give me about how blacks can’t be racists. 😡

    Don’t give me the baloney about your horrible experiences and lack of opportunities. If your name was Ralph Rollo Black instead of Rutherford White, you’d have been at Denny’s University instead of Harvard University.

    Okay tiger. Let’s put this to the test one more time, so you need f*cking go on.

    Now tell me exactly where blacks have it so good, in only those places where blacks had equal opportunity, where they never lost their roots identify, where they were always human beings, and could earn wages, be not be multi-million dollar slaves to football owners?

    I’ll say it again. Connecticut or the Congo? You going to tell me your “dignity” would be vastly superior if you lived in the Somalia? Is that the kind malt liquor they’re selling now? They’d have cannibalized you and shrunk your head to mount over the mud hut, if the mosquitoes didn’t kill you first.

    That abject ignorance you just published coming from you really is on par with Adrian Peterson’s comment “Players’ place in NFL like ‘modern-day slavery!!!” That kind of stupidity really does deserve a public hanging.

    Rutherford, my family is two generations from abject poverty. My grandparents were so damn poor, they didn’t have an indoor bathroom until a few years before I was born. My grandpa whom I favor had a sixth grade education and became a mechanic working on Pretty Boy Floyd’s car for cheap. Probably damn cheap at the wrong end of the tommy.

    Man, I really, really hope you’re not selling this weak shit to that sweet little girl of yours. She’s got every opportunity in the world, and she’s probably smart as a whip, especially with two professional parents and somebody of your caliber.

  104. Puppet, 😆 You are just dumber than dirt.

    Nah Rutherford, you misunderstood about my references to Poolman. It wasn’t at Fat Grannies. It was that other even worse shit lagoon they created when people like Pfesser and me kicked their sorry asses off of Fat Grannies by making sport of their incompetence.

    Out of morbid curiosity and sheer boredom until mom gets home tomorrow, I clicked on their links tonight and read a handful of comments. You can only watch so many shows off Netflix before you go looking for another form of entertainment.

    And though I think Poolman has been hitting the shine as of late before he arrives here, he’s still infinitely more worthy than those parasites at (and I forget the real name) Chatty Kitchen. They’ll turn on him one day too.

  105. Rutherford,

    How many white POS have stood up and apologized for the legacy of slavery recently? Retching. Hell, at least seven states at last count have passed proposals to “apologize” for slavery. Congress apologized for slavery. Utterly ridiculous. If I were black, it would be offensive to me.

    That imbecile Steve Cohen apologized for slavery. Some how he thinks he’s worthy to apologize for me when I didn’t have a damn thing to do with it? ** PUKE ** Well, I apologize to the Persians from the Medes. And I apologize from the bottom of my heart to ancient Greece too from the Romans. Matter of fact, I want to apologize to Cain for being marked.

    Now come on Rutherford. Can’t you see how phony that is? Do you really like being played by a bunch of sanctimonious scumbags? You must.

  106. Tex, was that you sneaking in the kitchen and grabbing a cookie?Yes. A year of transition for me. This next life phase will be renter (again). It’s all good. We need to downsize and get leaner.

    Besides, my new landlord is a Godsend. He’s a retired pastor, originally from Chile and is of Swiss descent. He was invited to pastor in Albuquerque early in his career.

    And, I’ll be 6 houses away from my grandkids.

    This will be much easier than home ownership for the time being. We’ll add plants and improve on stuff. Heck, I already replaced the main water cutoff valve and am adding in my water softener and RO system. No sense leaving it, I put it in and we’ve gotten accustomed to it. The wife took cuttings and has trees started.

    So yeah, we’re rounding it all up…

  107. “One of the reasons blacks don’t vote Republican is that Republicans of late have shown indifference to black.”

    So equality isn’t what black people are looking for?

  108. “Both Romeo and Juliet on their own were good hopeful people. Their families, the Montagues and Capulets were rivals for generations and the star-crossed lovers paid for that rivalry with their lives. History has consequences. Shakespeare understood that.”

    Of course, after the death of Romeo and Juliet, their families stopped the feud and made up. Which shows that Shakespeare understood something else—while history has consequences, there comes a time when it is time to put the past in the past and move forward.

    “Objectification and indignity breed hatred and so a black man stands in the street advocating “killing whitey”. History has consequences.”

    It just never ends, does it? Nobody is ever responsible for their own actions, are they? That loudmouth asshole yelling “kill whitey” (and his babies….when he isn’t standing outside polling places with billy clubs) is just a poor, objectified black man that is unleashing history’s consequences.

  109. R –
    “Blacks are the only minority for which America was not the land of opportunity. It was, instead, the land where you lost your identity, lost your status as a human being (you became property), lost your ability to earn wages, need I go f*cking on????”

    Man, I try to be a good guy and see things from others’ perspective, but I am really not getting you. If you were trying to convince *anybody* of *anything* else it would seem to me you would be too embarrassed to even float things that happened ten generations ago as a trial balloon in order to investigate how dumb your opponent was. That kind of argument wouldn’t convince a Down’s sufferer that the sun was coming up tomorrow, but I see it over and over, proffered with such genuine sincerity that I have to conclude that “these folks really believe that stuff!” It’s embarrassing.

    Does this kind of nonsense keep coming up because you are just completely out of any other explanations? Because you are loath to face up to the fact that these fellows are just out of excuses and need to a)pull up their goddamned pants, b)turn their hat around, c)learn English, d)lose the stupid tattoos or at least hide them and d)get their asses to work?

  110. re: apologising for slavery, reparations, &c

    I was grousing about how stupid an idea reparations to blacks for slavery was and my wife, who is about three times as smart as I am, just looked at me and said, “No, you have it all wrong! Pay ’em.”

    “Pay ’em? Are you out of your mind?”

    “No. Just pay ’em. And pay whatever they want. But then that’s it – no more quotas, set-asides or affirmative action. No more extra points on tests. No more excuses. They have been paid. Now they need to step up to the plate and stop being a net drag on the U.S. economy. A lot of money, yes, but worth every penny to put this crap to bed once and for all.”

    Brilliant.

  111. Poolman, I hope it works out for you. As I know you know, God does provide. Like Rutherford is correctly fond of saying (my paraphrasing), “We’re all one step away, one bad decision, one bad health diagnosis from the poor house.” And he is right.

    Many got caught in the economic tsunami, though I continue to be amazed that anyone was really naive enough to think housing prices were going to continue to exponentially escalate, and in fact wouldn’t collapse. Wish I had been smart enough to short it. I could have retired a rich man.

    You happen to be on the front end of those first cut. If it’s any solace, while over in Hawaii, I talked to many of the long timers who also sell the high end luxuries and they got creamed. One guy was selling hand designed petraglyphs after selling ocean front property. How’s that for a life change?

    This beach house was being rented to average Joe’s like me because they couldn’t begin to sell it. I guess if there’s a silver lining, poor white trash gets the opportunity to live a star for a week. And like most, now I get to figure out how to pay for it. 🙂 I figured what the hell – my kids are about gone and it may be the last time I have them unattended.

  112. Poolman –

    I guess I missed the story somewhere, but if you are having some difficulties accept my sincere condolences. Good luck to you, whatever the problem is…

  113. Poolman, since I refuse to visit the “Chatty Kitchen” (I’m already annoyed I spent ten minutes at Fat Grannies) I can only infer from your exchange with Tex that you’re forced to sell your home.

    To say I feel your pain is to put it mildly. The way this is going to work is my daughter is in day camp in July (already paid for) so we’re gonna live in a hotel in July and move to Illinois on or about August 1. And I’ll tell you something. I already told my wife that the day the movers come, I’m going straight to the hotel. My heart can’t bear seeing this place empty. 😦

  114. Pfesser, I don’t really understand why what I’m saying is so hard to grok. Maybe I am too damn verbose for my own good and simple concepts get lost in the morass of words?

    Tex compared blacks to Cambodians (not the first time he has compared blacks to various immigrant minorities). This is not complicated. I simply stated the comparison was invalid. One ingredient to how an immigrant fares in this country is his motive for coming here. Virtually every immigrant class in America came here for opportunity. 17th, 18th and 19th century Africans did NOT come here for that reason. So why should we expect the trajectory of their rise in social status to mimic that of other minorities?

    I don’t get what you don’t get. 😐

  115. And while we’re on the topic … upon overnight reflection I now understand Tex’s point:

    Slavery was really just a fantastic benevolent adoption program. Yes indeed, we took those savages from Africa where they couldn’t get clean water and went to headshrinkers to get cured and brought them all to progressive America to partake of the largess of the Southern plantation. Three good meals a day and development of a strong work ethic. By God they were LUCKY to get on that slave ship!

    And all this time I thought slavery was an evil institution. Well you learn something new every day. 😉

  116. “No. Just pay ‘em. And pay whatever they want. But then that’s it – no more quotas, set-asides or affirmative action. No more extra points on tests. No more excuses. They have been paid. Now they need to step up to the plate and stop being a net drag on the U.S. economy. A lot of money, yes, but worth every penny to put this crap to bed once and for all.”

    Brilliant.

    It’ll never work. Just ask the Israelis who have given land for peace…or at least the ones who weren’t murdered in the aftermath.

  117. By God they were LUCKY to get on that slave ship!

    ** GUFFAW **. Oh Rutherford, if I were next to you, I’d rub your head for good luck.

    I didn’t say THEY were lucky to catch the ship. I say YOU were lucky they caught the ship. It’s the story of history Rutherford. Look at the Old Testament story of the Jews. One generation gets the beating, the oppression, cheated, screwed in every way. Their life is hell on earth. But their descendants become the benefactors of their difficulty, bravery and courage. The descendants inherited vines they did not tend….

    What you fail to understand Rutherford is that I have a far greater admiration of the black man before Jim Crow. They weren’t inferior to their masters – they were superior and ultimately surpassed their “masters.” And that is concept completely foreign to you.

    Those are the real heroes of the black community – not you. The slaves. See Rutherford, because you believe there is no God, you unfortunately don’t see the end of the picture. Your descendants were a wholly religious people. They were brutally oppressed, they were beaten and chained, they were cheated, they torn from their families, and treated worse than beasts of burden. It is an evil stain. One of many and not unique. I agree with everything you said about history.

    Where you and I part ways, is that I believe in complete justice. Your descendants from generations long ago in all likelihood stand for eternity in paradise – a very small price to pay for their mistreatment. They are the 17th century thief on the cross: imperfect, but saved.

    Those plantation owners who were the benefactors? They reside for eternity with the devil, with Bin Laden, with Hitler. And their benefit was short lived.

    And when you can come to that conclusion Rutherford, and your eyes are opened, and you have faith in ultimate justice, and understand grace is all that saves you, life becomes so much more fulfilling and you can walk in peace.

    And the crying shame for you personally, is that you are a talented man, who has buried his talents because of your anger, because of a lack of faith. I know – I’ve got the same problem and fight it every day. Your personal story is one of great admiration – a lesson to be taught and admire. And you’re going to waste all that hard work and talent on on the trivial pursuit of perceived injustice.

  118. By God they were LUCKY to get on that slave ship!

    No. They were afforded great opportunities when people willingly shed their own blood for that chance in the Civil Rights Movement.

    They were afforded even greater opportunities when Uncle Sugar, through the courts, and through legislation mandated that they be pulled up and into the ranks of institutions and organizations…and by and large they failed to make themselves worthy of what they had been given, thus setting a standard of excellence for their posterity that would empower them to also enjoy the blessings that this country still has to bestow upon its people, instead opting to treat the lowered bar and reserved seat as an entitlement, and empowering those who would keep them in mediocrity by giving them an excuse for failing to succeed.

    I am quite confident that the present would hold nothing by disappointment for some of the great civil rights leaders who didn’t survive that era, because of the way that what they worked so hard for has been squandered, and Dr. King would get a second dose of sorrow over the way that his family has battled itself over the pecuniary rights of his legacy.

  119. Rutherford, another thing. I am truly sorry about your house. I really am, and I really do care. I’ve know you for a while now and I would call you friend, albeit a tormenting one. Most is in jest and you know it.

    But you ought to look back at that “dream” house when you move and say good riddance you wretched piece of crap. Aren’t you tired of playing Sisyphus? Damn man, I wish I lived closer to you so I could set a match to that excess when you leave and you could watch it burn.

    You have allowed yourself to be sucked into a losing proposition. I guarantee you, two years from now when you are free, you’re going to look back at that place and realize what a burden it had become and cuss yourself for not doing it sooner.

    Get your ass out of debt and learn to enjoy the real blessings that have been given to you. You need health, your loved ones, food, a roof, and mostly importantly a dream of better things to come. That is all you will need. Guys like you and me have been sold a big lie of things making you happy. Quit it. It’s an egregious lie.

    Take the opportunity to catch your breath and remake yourself. You are more than capable. We should all be so talented.

  120. R–I appreciate the fact that you grasped the point I was talking around. First: there will never be any such thing as post-racial. The default phenotype for dogs is medum sized (about 50 pounds), with a red coat. But until all dogs get there, some of them will still be poodles.
    Second: it’s truly original to see white men whine. You can get the sense reading these comments that they couldn’t wait to be in a minority (which they knew was coming) so they have something to whine about too. The disconnect is staggering. (“I’m right, and you aren’t doing nearly enough to pull yourself up by your bootstraps” Grab hold of those bootstraps, gentlemen).
    I personally despise the argument that that you can never know what it’s like to be a (fill in the blank) unless you are one. I figure that’s why human beings are capable of empathy. You don’t have to be bitten by a rattlesnake to know it would hurt.

  121. P.S., R, your opinion of rap corresponds to that of Leonard Pitts, speaking of black men to admire. (I know, I know, he’s supposed to be just a man, but in reality, he is a black man.) He recently wrote a very great opinion piece about re-writing history. You know, the Civil War was not really about slavery. The Confederate flag is merely a symbol of admiration for our ancestors, yadda, yadda, yadda.

  122. “I don’t get what you don’t get.”

    I guess *I’m* not clear either. I don’t get how you can seriously relate things that happened ten generations ago to behavior today. We all have things that happened to our ancestors. So what? That’s called history. At what point are folks going to stop whining about things that happened to people, hell, their GRANDPARENTS didn’t even know?

    If I were a social engineer, if there is such a thing, I would assign causes of current behavior to a weighting system, say, from 0 to 10. Everything gets a weighting. I can think of a hundred things between 5 and 9 that influence current behavior. What happened ten generations ago? Maybe a 1 or 2 at the most. I’m not saying it is not a factor, just that its importance is very nearly negligible, yet these folks rate it a 10 – a convenient excuse to be completely irresponsible. Sorry, I don’t buy it. Not at all.

  123. Pfesser, you picked the wrong profession. You should be a sociologist. Your notion of a rating system for causality of behavior sounds so damn academic and scientific that I could picture you now running a research project on it.

    Seriously dude, go for the grant money, align yourself with a University, write your book and get rich and famous.

    I get a royalty for giving you the idea. 🙂

  124. I guess I haven’t been paying attention very well, but it sounds like some folks here are really having a tough time. Really, really sorry. I’m quite concerned about my kids’ futures but we are OK for the meantime. Man, it really pisses me off; this country was in such good shape and in no time the govt has nearly destroyed it. Fucking irresponsible assholes. I hope they all go to hell (just a figure of speech).

  125. I see Rutherford doesn’t even bother to defend what he writes in his main posts, anymore.

    Again…the Montagues and Capulets left history alone after the deaths of Romeo and Juliet, and decided moving forward was the best course of action. THAT is what Shakespeare understood.

    You must not have read those last few pages….

    Also….so black people want politicians to play racial politics?

    Isn’t it going to be a bit tough to be a post-racial country if minority races don’t really want politicians to be indifferent to their race?

  126. Second: it’s truly original to see white men whine. You can get the sense reading these comments that they couldn’t wait to be in a minority (which they knew was coming) so they have something to whine about too. The disconnect is staggering. (“I’m right, and you aren’t doing nearly enough to pull yourself up by your bootstraps” Grab hold of those bootstraps, gentlemen).

    Parody from the whiniest, bra burning, spinster victim there ever was… 😆 😆 😆

    Yeah, the typical “genotype” of humans is female, 300 lbs.with Vulcan ears. Unfortunately, your “phenotype” came out a slug, leaving a trail.

  127. “Second: it’s truly original to see white men whine.”

    Someone who still snivels about Internet name-calling that happened months ago is about the last person who should be calling anyone out for whining.

  128. While we’re whining about the white/black thing, for your entertainment an exchange between Steve Martin and his bandmate, Tyrone in All of Me.

    “Tyrone, you shouldn’t call white people ‘honky.’”

    “Why not?”

    “Because you’re white.” (Tyrone is blind as well as black – two disabilities, if you believe R)

    “I am? (blows note on sax) I am!”

  129. I see Rutherford doesn’t even bother to defend what he writes in his main posts, anymore.
    .. Isn’t it going to be a bit tough to be a post-racial country if minority races don’t really want politicians to be indifferent to their race?

    First of all Huck all I’ve been doing for the past two days is defending the post. 152 comments later you don’t get that?

    Second, you’re playing word games. Rich people (white or black) don’t give a rat’s ass who is running the government so long as they keep pocketing their money. You know full well when I say the GOP is indifferent to blacks that I mean they are indifferent to the problems that effect blacks disproportionately, i.e. unemployment, poverty, poor health care, etc. Every constituency wants its needs met and I say it’s high time for the GOP to target their “get rich stay rich” message to the inner city instead of writing them off.

    OK, fine if you wanna call the Romeo and Juliet thing a gotcha, good for you. I would submit most folks don’t remember this reconciliation of the Montagues and Capulets but instead remember the double suicide. Besides my point remains it should not have taken a double suicide for the warring families to reconcile.

  130. Huck, I was about to count you among the reasonable, since you haven’t fallen for the All Arabs Are Crazy (especially the Muslim kind) meme.
    Now I have to ask, is there like a Statute of Limitations on being offended? If I get offended months ago, should I be over it by now? What if I get offended 20 minutes ago? Should I be over it already? What is the acceptable time limiit?
    “Offended on the Internet”. Is there some difference between between being offensive on the Internet and being offensive in person? I think not, just sayin’.

  131. Well FN, the difference is obvious. People don’t need to accept responsibility for being offensive on the Internet. In person it’s quite different and could at least result in a bloody nose. 😉

  132. Rutherford, for the record I haven’t seen one poster here ever leave a message All “Arabs” are crazy. I think our point, my point has been if even 1% of “Arabs” are jihadists in waiting, that’s 15 million jihadists. And for anyone with half a brain, we know 1% is way too low. Just felt the need to clarify that for the profoundly stupid.

    =========

    Okay “R” – after you and I have gone round and round, my final position with respect to your post is this. Call me bigoted if you wish, but I believe in your heart of hearts you know better.

    I believe these popular charges of racism toward Obama, his policies, and liberalism in general appeal to habitual underachievers who would rather blame others for their failings than to summon the effort to elevate their own existence.

    As long as sloth and excuses are tolerated in America, racists will have an audience. Pfesser’s father was absolutely right. That my own father had given me a swift kick in the ass when I needed it.

    And to clarify, it’s not that I don’t think racism exists. It does. It is just that it has been my own personal experience that those who habitually make the charges of racism, are themselves the real racists – especially the most evil form of racism of low expectation.

  133. Now I have to ask, is there like a Statute of Limitations on being offended?

    Apparenty not, as a few people have turned it into a lucrative career and established themselves as de facto “leaders” of their “communities” by being perpetually offended. So far, the fact that they have succeeded in changing behavior and mandating change in deference to their feelings hasn’t robbed them of an ability to make a living, despite the fact that they have to start going out of their way to find something to be offended by, as eviednced by the LA NAACP/Hallmark scandal, or the infamous “Black hole? WHITE HOLE!” “controversies.

    Sooner or later, there will be no more elasticity in the rubber band, and it will break.

    Well FN, the difference is obvious. People don’t need to accept responsibility for being offensive on the Internet. In person it’s quite different and could at least result in a bloody nose.

    You’re right. There is nothing at all offensive in suggesting that we have to accept less than the best qualified in civil service jobs, police and fire departments, and EMTs and Docs, as well as the private sector so that someone who is alive today can be “repaid” for injustices done to the beneficiary’s ancestors before either those who are benefitting from the “remediation” or those who have to give it. Afterall, it isn’t about how the process reduces excellence in the service provides. I’m sure Rabbit won’t mind a bit that the paramedic treating him for a heart attack is less knowledgable or skilled than the one who was deemed less qualified because of his lack of pigmentation. I’m sure that Rabbit can go to his reward, delighted in the notion that his death helped advance the cause of social justice. Or that Tex can feel the same way about the lost hours spent at the DMV when he was still working, all so someone could have the security that comes with living off of someone else’s tax dollar. And if administrative agencies want to promulgate regulations that add to this climate of nonsense, by all means…all must sacrifice so that today’s generation is captive to the effects of social justice. No, there’s nothing offensive about that at all.

    And no, I have no intention of apologizing for this, but then, I wouldn’t apologize for it if I said it to your face, either. I don’t really care if you’re offended by it. I’m offended by “racism”, real or imagined, being an excuse for the declarant’s shortcomings, and the sanctity of not being offended being elevated to a “right” such that it completely destroys the ability to have a dialogue of the type that Eric “my people” Holder so boldly chastized us for not having, despite the fact that it is the very last thing that he or the PC Police in society really want to have.

    The people screaming the loudest about being offended need to get their damn hands out of my pockets, and look to themselves.

  134. Damn, I was ever so close to impressing FN, and now I have blown it…..

    Rutherford, what people remember about Romeo & Juliet was exactly my point. They are stuck on the tragedy and don’t see the real message that came out of it.

    And that message is…..

    Move the fuck on before your history destroys you.

    You can pissy all you want, but when you devote an entire paragraph to an idea that is based on a faulty premise, I am going to call you on it. Don’t like it?…do better research.

  135. Tomorrow marks a first of sorts. Tomorrow I will be going into midtown Manhattan in my first public “appearance” as Rutherford Lawson. I’ve been invited to have lunch with several liberal bloggers who publish on a liberal blog that carries my articles. Up until now I’ve only been Rutherford on the written page and on the “radio”. It will be kinda funny having folks call me Rutherford tomorrow … I’ll have to remember to react to it and not look behind me for some dude named Rutherford. 🙂

    P.S. I’m not keeping my real name secret at the lunch. The host knows my real name but since I’m known to that crowd as Rutherford, I expect that is what they’ll call me. Should be interesting. I’ll give you guys and gals an update when it’s done.

  136. BiW, your rant confuses me depending upon whom it was directed. FN asked a question … is there a difference between offending folks on the internet vs off and I answered that indeed one difference was the potential to get punched in the nose. I didn’t suggest that YOU shouldn’t be offended by my politics. On the contrary, virtually every article I write I can bet will offend you. 🙂

  137. Tomorrow marks a first of sorts. Tomorrow I will be going into midtown Manhattan in my first public “appearance” as Rutherford Lawson. I’ve been invited to have lunch with several liberal bloggers who publish on a liberal blog that carries my articles. Up until now I’ve only been Rutherford on the written page and on the “radio”. It will be kinda funny having folks call me Rutherford tomorrow … I’ll have to remember to react to it and not look behind me for some dude named Rutherford.

    Very cool! 😎 Congratulations and knock them out. Did you need Tex to accompany you and help provide balance? 🙂

    Who knows? Perhaps this is the start of something bigger. If you do make it big, promise you’ll still provide the occasional article here and remember us little folk.

  138. Before I retire for the night I wanted to sincerely thank all of you for the dialog on this post. I know some of you remain frustrated (Gorilla) and think I have not addressed your objections but I have found the conversation interesting and honestly, the further down the thread we got, the more people abandoned the knee-jerk response and started expressing their views in ways that actually moved me.

    A case in point is comment 145 by Mr. Taylor. Tex, I kid you not, the comment gives me food for thought. Obviously the religious angle is one I hesitate to embrace but I can get beyond that to still see your meaning. The most ignorant members of the black community are an embarrassment to me and would have been so to MLK Jr. I imagine.

    What I’m left to ponder is has the civil rights movement not yet reached its full potential because of “the man” or because those who should have benefited from the movement failed to take the initiative and squandered that great moment in time? Truly a profound riddle Tex and I give you credit for posing it in that light.

    As I said … food for thought.

  139. It’s okay, Huck. With only the tiniest bit of effort, you could worm your way back into my good graces. I’m easy that way.
    Now then, I never thought I would agree with BiW about anything, and yet I do. He makes an unassailable point about being offended versus making being offended a career. Seeking out opportunities to be offended in case the last one fizzled. Al Sharpton comes to mind. I realize we aren’t supposed to mention him by name, because we must be racist by doing so. But I think R may have had him in mind as well when it comes to embarassments. (Don’t mean to speak for you R.)
    Having said that, there is a sort of blindness here. When you generalize to liberals, Liberal-in-Chief Obama, and say they need to get their hands out of your pockets…welcone to victimhood. It ain’t any prettier when you do it.

  140. When you generalize to liberals, Liberal-in-Chief Obama, and say they need to get their hands out of your pockets…welcone to victimhood. It ain’t any prettier when you do it.

    Oh, well the next time somebody comes in your garage and steals your car, or burglarizes your house, takes your purse, or in the chance there’s somebody hard up enough to want to grope you, I’ll remember the part about not crying victim hood.

    When the government continues to take money without representation and by coercion, and the man or woman it’s being taken from has no say so in the matter, and forgetting that is exactly one of the reasons of the very formation of this country, that is theft – period.

    You’re no different than a legalized thief in my book…

  141. “Tex”..groping me is something you can only dream of 🙂 It would certainly teach me a lesson!
    What money is it that the govermment is taking from you? It’s my understanding that you don’t have a job and are somehow constituionally incapable of it. It’s your wife who is having money taken from her. Because she has a job, as do I.

  142. Fake, are you sure you really want to enter into a discussion along this path? 🙂 Now, if we go down this route you’ve got to promise not to cry this time.

    It’s my understanding that you don’t have a job and are somehow constituionally incapable of it. It’s your wife who is having money taken from her. Because she has a job, as do I.

    I think in your case, the word “job” is relative. Perhaps you might have noticed, probably not, that I’m not working terribly hard at finding employment? You ever wondered why a professional, beautiful bride like mine, with a good job and all the ability in the world, might tolerate such spousal sloth? Nah, probably not.

    So little Ms. Smugness. Why don’t we make a bet?

    I will forgo my anonymity and you can discover my real identity, bring all those tough alpha males to beat my ass for previous vulgarities and harshness, and spit in my face without retribution if…

    You’ll take this bet and happen to win.

    ———–

    Say something along the lines that I made more in capital gains last year while sitting on my ass playing Rutherford’s court jester, than you filed from your W2 in your menial job as parking attendant?

    And if I win, I get to photograph you naked in an anatomical position of my choosing to be included in Rutherford’s header on this blog with your name in the banner? 😈

    So do we have a bet ‘beautiful?

  143. And if I win, I get to photograph you naked in an anatomical position of my choosing to be included in Rutherford’s header on this blog with your name in the banner? 😈

    As much as I like FN, I’m not sure I would cooperate with such a wager. The last thing I need is an X-rated web site. 🙂 (Unless of course I’m gonna make a buck off it.)

  144. So I had a ninety minute lunch with two fellow liberal bloggers today and I had to chuckle to myself as we went from topic to topic, picturing Rabbit. Tex, BiW and El Tigre’s heads exploding. Only liberals could finish off a meal by discussing abortion. 😐

  145. FN, I hate to say it but I’m conflicted about Reverend Al. No doubt he was a hustler back in the day but I think he has worked hard of late to gain some modicum of respectability. Believe me, he’s no hero of mine but I believe he’s tried to right himself over the years.

  146. Rutherford, hush. Like my oldest daughter in Hawaii, I am going to have to teach you the art of timing.

    The humiliation of Fake’s anatomical picture is only temporary, and if she’s half as pretty as she attests, maybe I’ll change my mind and make an offer a couple of minutes of groping. Either we can market this place for a few bucks as a GILF site, with the proceeds split between the two of us so I can claim “employment”, or we get a free gander at you know what. Either way, we win and you benefit for nothing but being the blog owner 🙂

    Besides, she might find it titillating, and it she might let you share in future ogling.

  147. So I had a ninety minute lunch with two fellow liberal bloggers today and I had to chuckle to myself as we went from topic to topic, picturing Rabbit. Tex, BiW and El Tigre’s heads exploding. Only liberals could finish off a meal by discussing abortion.

    You flatter yourself. I deal with people who get things of import wrong EVERY. SINGLE. DAY.

  148. “What money is it that the government is taking from you? It’s my understanding that you don’t have a job” -fakname

    You obviously haven’t witnessed Tex’s money plays the last quarter.

    CG tax, fakename. 25 percent punishment for making money too fast.

  149. Tex, is there any kind of penalty for selling funds after holding them for less then a year if the money/funds are within a ROTH IRA?

  150. You flatter yourself. I deal with people who get things of import wrong EVERY. SINGLE. DAY.

    You know, you’re right BiW … that must be what makes you so effective at telling me that I’ve got things of import wrong EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. 😀

  151. Rabbit, I know you directed your comment at Tex but I’d like a stab at it. If you’re talking about moving funds around within a ROTH without actually taking a distribution from the ROTH I don’t think there is a penalty. I think penalties only come into play when you withdraw funds from the IRA itself.

    Tex, am I wrong?

  152. Rutherford, come clean. You couldn’t stand the two lisping, elitist, fem-bots. Smug motherfuckers, weren’t they?

    Or was one a female coffee addict with black, thick frames for glasses and miniature schnauzer hair? Did she have a Rony? (Slight mustashe)

    3 Liberals out to eat: Damn did that waiter get screwed out of a tip.

    Libs are the cheapest bastards.

  153. By the way Rutherford, you must have been a wet dream for those two bloggers. Black and handicap! Those guys were masturbating under the table to you. I bet you were holding court like Stephen fucking Hawking.

  154. Rabbit, I wouldn’t be the best one to ask that question, because my wife and I are defined as “rich” and don’t qualify for the ROTH IRA contribution. How we are rich, I don’t know. 🙂

    Several years ago, I took at look at rolling over my traditional IRA to a ROTH and decided it wasn’t worth the initial penalty. A

    I can tell you with a traditional IRA which I started at 23 years of age, there is no penalty for a sale within the account – at least none that I am aware, and I would guess that Rutherford is correct. I buy and sell all the time, and as long as the profit or loss stays within the account, I have never been subject to any notice of charge.

    In about nine years, I can legally to begin withdrawal without penalty, subject to the applicable federal and state tax laws.

  155. 😳 I keep leaving more retorts to the morons at Fat Grannies, who surprisingly haven’t canned me yet, and forget to change my name.

    Rutherford, none of my business and just curious. Aren’t you and your wife getting killed on the 401K tax penalties? I’m not aware of any hardship rules for loss of job except in the case of disability or education, but I could be wrong. I’m about as qualified to answer these questions as I am play attorney. And I always defer to BIC or Tigre during our legal proceedings.

    A shame Graychin isn’t still frequenting here, because he’d be the best one to answer Rabbit’s questions. If I understood, his field of expertise as CPA was tax.

  156. What I’m left to ponder is has the civil rights movement not yet reached its full potential because of “the man” or because those who should have benefited from the movement failed to take the initiative and squandered that great moment in time? Truly a profound riddle Tex and I give you credit for posing it in that light.” – R

    Well, that’s kind of what I was saying. Tex made an excellent point, and one that should give all pause.

    My frustration comes from the double standards you bear so openly, which is why the causal releationship between ‘black’ and ‘victimhood’ is so damaging. Blacks were not the first to be slaves or oppressed. Try being Phillipino or Vietnamese in Japan or China. But you don’t have to go that far, try being white in Hawaii…

    I still don’t think you’ve really addressed my points, but to see you at least acknowledge our points is a victory.

  157. Rutherford although I usually always welcome a discussion on race relations in the USA I can’t chime in here and now & doubt I’ll do it later.
    I can however offer my best wishes to you that things will shake out for you over the summer and your personal life shakeups morph into a fresh start for you and yours.

  158. Thanks for the good wishes Alfie. Hey Alfie how bout a detailed review of Romneycare for your next blog article? You’ve lived through it and can cut through the hype.

  159. Sorry “R”, I’m back to Tex as our resident tattle puppet FINALLY FIGURED out who I am and reported back to Fat Grannies verbatim. Dumb doesn’t do justice.

    You never told me what name you wanted me to use next. The imbecile still thinks I’m trying to hide, not recognizing why I was forced to cop a new name. Small children aren’t that stupid.

    ———

    Man, I hate to hear that Rutherford. Damn, I wish I could have talked you out of that. I’m sure you didn’t think it would last. But don’t despair. You’re an incredibly talented guy when you set your mind to it. I still don’t think you have even begin to tap your real talents, and Corporate America ain’t it. There will come a day if your health holds that you’ll bypass the old and look at this time as a blessing.

    I’ve always had kind of a talent for recognizing talent, and generally proven right. I’d rather God have given me the talent and not the ability to recognize “it.” 😉

  160. Tigers piss me off. I wish I could get them out of my life. I’ve been scheduling my life around those bums for 30 years. I’ve spent thousands of dollars on them. Fucking bums.

  161. D.R. 😆

    By the way Rabbit, Gorilla, Curator, and Graychin if you still read this board, thank you Vets for your military service. And to any active military, or those who have previously served who might lurk…

    Putting out my flag and saying prayers for you and your families seems so lite, but you were remembered this weekend with admiration from the Taylor family…

    Thank you.

  162. It’s time for a holiday BBQ!

    Republicans can bring the popcorn, because…evidently…democrats are bringing the wieners….

  163. Rutherford, with respect to your radio show topic that I noticed.

    No, Seriously, What’s the Democratic Plan for Medicare?

    Step 1) Demagogue the Ryan plan (it “throws seniors to the wolves,” etc.), Step 2) …

  164. There isn’t a single democrat in the entire country that wants to have that conversation, Wayne.

    Not one….

  165. I never have ripped on a President for golfing. I’m a firm believer that things like that are healthy. 70 times golfing in 3 years-no biggy.

    But on Memorial Day? And a Memorial Day when our boys are coming back in boxes? When you’re the Commander and Chief?

    Am I being a little too sensitive?

  166. Am I being a little too sensitive?

    I hate to say it but … yes.

    Somehow somewhere Memorial Day got co-opted by capitalism. I called two businesses today expecting to find them closed but they had normal business hours. The fact is today is big business. It is more than Memorial Day, it is the “unofficial first day of Summer”. Folks are shopping, having barbeques and celebrating in a variety of ways that totally ignore the solemnity one would expect from a day dedicated to honoring our war-dead,. We had my Dad over and we had burgers and hot dogs and laughed and reminisced and quite frankly didn’t discuss any wars or soldiers at all. We did briefly discuss Osama bin Laden.

    Honestly Rabbit, I don’t really understand why we don’t just use one day, Veteran’s Day to honor all war veterans, living and dead and simply leave it at that. As long as Memorial Day is called the unofficial start of summer, it’s never going to have the reverence you’re expecting. And I don’t think we should expect the President to treat the holiday any different from thousands of other families who spend the day having a good time.

  167. No, Seriously, What’s the Democratic Plan for Medicare?

    We discussed this topic a bit on the show and there is no doubt the Dem’s are doing to this what the GOPhers did to the Affordable Health Care Act. The video of the grandma being dumped out of her wheelchair off a cliff is equivalent to the death panel nonsense of two years ago.

    What it comes down to is no one is serious about a solution. It’s a damn shame. I actually DO give Ryan some credit for taking a stab at it but it’s not the right end game. Maybe a good place to start the discussion but not a good end game.

    The most accurate criticism of the Ryan plan that I’ve heard is that the Medicare subsidy that seniors would receive (opponents call the subsidy a voucher … but that is probably really a misnomer (again see death panels)) will not keep up with rising cost of health care, It will only go up along with the rate of inflation which lags behind the sky-rocketing costs of health care. That is the single biggest weakness in Ryan’s plan. Seniors end up paying this gap between the inflation rate and the true health care cost increases.

  168. Your probably right. Most guys I know, even a few who gave their life, would rather everyone just drink a few pops and have a good time.

    That being said, if I was Prez I would go to a few family bbq’s of fallen vets. I’m not sure I’d be golfing another round.

  169. Memorial Day co-opted by capitalism? I don’t know about that. Maybe co-opted by fun. And while there is no doubt a little spending goes down (probably a lot), its not really that materialistic, is it?

    Cook some dogs on the grill and drink a few beers listening to the game. Is there something about this holiday I’m missing?

    Now Christmas and Valentines Day…

  170. Seniors end up paying this gap between the inflation rate and the true health care cost increases.

    I wonder if they (many seniors) ever give a thought as they swoon over ‘the gap’, as the fact the entire system will be insolvent within years and their children and grandchildren won’t get anywhere near what they did? No, that would require effort and some sacrifice.

    That’s how selfish and pathetic many of our ‘elders’ have become, and frankly Rutherford – from an apolitical standpoint mind you – it burns my ass. These people have benefited from Social Security and Medicare far more than anybody else will, and they still demand more.

    And Medicare, like Social Security, was never intended to be an end all to subsidizing luxury retirement. It was a safety net – not a free ride.

  171. Rabbit, yeah …. “capitalism” really wasn’t the best word but I was stumped to find a word to express the notion that Mem day has become more fun than reverence.

  172. Guys I think it’s tough to nail a particular generation on this. Some current elderly think the Ryan plan will effect them, which for the most part it will not. The remainder of the opposition actually comes from guys our age (50ish) who know the Ryan plan will hit us and are pissed off that we paid into this system only to get a subsidy that won’t keep up with rising costs.

    This is one case where a sense of entitlement has penetrated a large swath of folks running across racial and economic lines. That’s why Social Security and Medicare are the third rail of politics.

  173. I’m not sure that is entirely true “R”, as it still seniors who I hear bitching the most about “don’t touch their Medicare.” In other words, I don’t have much principle, so I’ll vote for can promise me the most without cutting my bennies. Just happened in NY26. I don’t think our generation for the most part has enough sense to see past tomorrow’s breakfast as far as planning.

    But if you are right, that makes the greed all the more egregious. What part of insolvent do they not understand?

  174. The most accurate criticism of the Ryan plan that I’ve heard is that the Medicare subsidy that seniors would receive (opponents call the subsidy a voucher … but that is probably really a misnomer (again see death panels)) will not keep up with rising cost of health care, It will only go up along with the rate of inflation which lags behind the sky-rocketing costs of health care. That is the single biggest weakness in Ryan’s plan. Seniors end up paying this gap between the inflation rate and the true health care cost increases.” – R

    Medicare doesn’t keep up with costs, which is why fewer and fewer DR’s are accepting it. What’s the point?

    The Baby Boomers are by far the worst generation. Nothing but a bunch of selfish asses who’re willing to throw their kids under the bus. Fuck them…

  175. Wayne –
    I’m in the middle of a long no-days-off stretch and I needed a little diversion. I hooted and hollered at your last post at Fat Grannies. I think you nailed it dead center. How you called it is exactly how it is.

    Pecker in hand. Oh that’s funny.

    Some of those guys are damned smart – Raji for example, but most are in a continuous dither that someone would dast disagree with the giant circle-jerk of left-loving.

    Nice job.

  176. Glad you enjoyed Pfesser – consider it a return for your mother-in-law story the other night which I found great humor. Chuckled about your line to your wife upon departing even hours later.

    Gorilla, I didn’t know Ed Schultz had a radio show either. Isn’t is a poor characterization to use well know, talk radio and liberal in the same sentence? Damn near everyone of them appear to be out of business weeks after starting – even the Soros funded ones. 🙂

  177. I am so glad the Dimocrats nominated Wasserman-Schultz. Really, I am. 🙂

    She will make Howard Dean look like a MENSA member and cool headed before she is through.

  178. Hey “R” – haven’t seen you for a few days. Two things. One, how’s the tummy? Two, you going to do a post on Weinergate? 🙂

  179. I doubt MSNBC is covering Weinergate, so I am sure Rutherford’s response will be “I don’t know what you are talking about.”

  180. Hucking,

    🙂 Amazing how that works, isn’t it? Do you know Rutherford, who has crooned the sparkling accolades of Weiner for well over a year now even going so far as to use him as example of outstanding Congressman, will probably have a memory lapse.

    But if this were a Republican, you can bet Rutherford would be on top of it.

  181. LOL For once Huck nailed me. I had a busy weekend so Weiner-gate went over my head. I heard a snide comment about him on TV this morning so I’ll have to investigate.

    As for Debbie, personally I love her BUT when I close my eyes she sounds like Elmer Fudd. Just based on that alone, I think her political career will top out at Senator perhaps one day.

    And sorry Tex, but there are actually a few lefties surviving on radio. Ed Schultz was on radio BEFORE he came to TV and he’s still going there … that is where he tends to get into trouble. Michael Smirconish is a moderate liberal with a thriving radio show based out of, I think, Philadelphia. But clearly, I do agree that radio is by and large the purview of conservatives. They’ve made it their home.

  182. The tummy is up and down. I took a lactose intolerance test (hydrogen (?) breath test) that the test administrator said came up positive but my doctor hasn’t confirmed that finding yet.

    I’m currently working on a new post … not to beat a dead horse but it is a continuation of this one but with a different slant that will make many of you say “I told you so”. It’s based on something I saw over the weekend that REALLY pissed me off.

  183. Your new post wouldn’t have anything to do with all the “beat downs” from the Hitler black youth at the beaches, restaurants, and clubs over the last couple of weeks, would it? Such fine young men and women. 😡 And I’m sure there were a couple of future Aryan brother and sister types somewhere in waiting.

    Anyway “R”, you’ll be glad to know that even I, your humble correspondent and racist at large on the Lawson blog, recognize this doesn’t make up the majority of black youth. It certainly doesn’t represent you or yours.

    But, like Islam, even if it is 5% of the teenagers, that is a whole bunch of thugs we’re going to have to deal with.

    ——–

    The damn garbage disposal went out last night (today’s chore), the puppy chewed the wiring harness off the trailer Saturday 😡 😡 which my wiring harness was too short so I get to buy another, and my daughter’s car got drilled with hail last week and was so dirty, I didn’t recognize it until washing it.

    Where’s the gun. One temple shot should do the trick.

    Let me know what they discover about your troubles.

  184. Tex –

    Just get some heat shrink and a couple of pieces of short wire, solder the sumbitch. I usually put some Vaseline over the splice before I heatshrink it to keep out water. Good for boat trailers that have to go in the drink to launch/recover the boats.

    (Yes, there is another use for Vaseline.)

    When I was a kid I made what I called a “shitshocker.” I still have it. It is a car ignition coil and a vibrator off one of those old 6V car radios. The vibrator converted DC to AC to step it up to a coupla hundred volts to run the vacuum tubes. (You remember those, don’t you?) Anyway it puts out a continuous spark as long as you run it. It is marvelous for teaching little dogs to NOT FUCKING CHEW ON STUFF. Hell on raccoons at the trash bin, too…LOL.

  185. #222. Woe is me.

    I’m new here but from where I sit FN2 takes more guff than she complains about. So there! 🙂

    “…that will make many of you say “I told you so.” -Rutherford

    Good teaser. What got you so pissed off I wonder?

    Debbie Dipshit. Ugh. She doesn’t even cloak her BS in politi-speak.

    The generation that holds the necessary power to fix this $ problem doesn’t have the guts or the skills. Too in love with self and too spend-y.

    I heard something interesting this weekend. My niece is in grad school studying Family and Marriage Therapy. She told me that attachment disorders are big among Boomers and the current thinking is that the Boomers lived with the understanding somehow that Mommy and Daddy could be gone at any time. So they learned self-reliance, eschewed committment, and basically built fortresses around their hearts, metaphorically speaking. So we see our parents, who sacrificed, getting back what they gave like they were told they would. And we want ours. And we refuse to look at our kids’ futures with honest and loving eyes and face the fact that they are going to be screwed over by us.

    Maybe we should turn this one last thing over to our parents to fix for us one last time before they are gone for good and we’re left to run this country into the ground, which we seem to be intent on doing. Turbo time for the last few decades.

  186. Oh, Tex, you were on fire this weekend haha. Good. And PFesser makes a good wingman on those forays.

  187. Hey Tex, I just noticed over at M&H that Silent Watcher has accused you of hurling “epitaphs” of hate at Obama. ROTFLMAO. Tex, you need to keep your grammar guard up and nail these blowhards when they they screw up. I imagine she meant “epithets” of hate. Or maybe she thinks you’re writing obits?

    😆 😆

    I never dreamed a lib blog could make my stomach turn but the comments section is just SO damn hard to read.

  188. Oh, while I’m at it … if I see one more “Aloha! 🙂 Namaste. Shalom.” I think I’m gonna puke. It’s one thing for me to sign all my articles “Respectfully, Rutherford” but it’s quite another for me to leave that at the end of every comment. If I did I would not only expect but I would welcome one of you kicking me in the ass just for my own good. 👿

    Respectfully,
    Rutherford :lol 😆 😆

  189. R –
    With apologies to Roberto Duran, I respond to Jean’s ramblings and circumlocutions with “no mas, te” – which – at least to my pervy mind – means, STFU.

    Hey guys – where do you get the cool avatars?

    I saw the “epitaphs” but decided to let it pass. Maybe she/he meant one like this, that I learned from a friend in high school:

    Yonder lies the Widow Nyes
    Whose aperture took the prize for size.
    So always tread light upon this sod,
    For if she gaps, you’re gone, by God!

  190. Pfesser,

    Find one you like, I generally save to my hard drive and upload, but you can designate from the net – they move it, you lose it – explaining why I save to the hard drive first (Jpeg format).

    Go here and follow directions.

    http://www.gravatar.com

  191. Us

    (ABC News) – A record number of Americans — about 14 percent — now rely on the federal government’s food stamps program and its rapid expansion in recent years has become a politically explosive topic.

    More than 44.5 million Americans received SNAP benefits in March, an 11 percent increase from one year ago and nearly 61 percent higher than the same time four years ago.

    Nearly 21 million households are reliant on food stamps.

    Opponents of the program argue that money from the food stamps budget — with what they call its increasingly lax requirements — needs to be shifted to other programs such as education and child nutrition. The program’s supporters argue that at a time of economic decline, such welfare programs are even more important to try to keep Americans from spiraling into poverty.

    And Them…

    (Fox News) – Obama administration officials are riding in style.

    A new report from a watchdog group shows that the number of limousines owned by the federal government rose by 73 percent during the first two years of President Obama’s administration. The State Department was the recipient of most the new luxury vehicles.

    The “Limousine Liberals?” report from iWatch News, part of the nonprofit Center for Public Integrity, showed that government data pegged the number of limos in the federal fleet at 412 in fiscal 2010, up from 238 in fiscal 2008.

    Let’s not forget, he’s up to 70 rounds of golf in 2.5 years. Does anyone here know of anyone who plays 70 rounds in a couple years?

  192. gorilla –

    My wife had an interesting observation: No woman should live in a country where all the men wear beards.

    (My background is EE; I’m working on a beard-seeking missile.)

    Secondly, she noted that, if the women ever get control over their own fertility, the fascist states are done. Clever girl, that. I’m reminded every day how far behind the curve I am…

  193. Secondly, she noted that, if the women ever get control over their own fertility, the fascist states are done.

    Except the women are almost, but not quite as screwed up, as the men. Look at these idiot, mostly white American women who marry some Muslim wife beater and think they’ve made it big. We’ve got a few of them here in town, one whom I went to school with, that are making the daily calls for “tolerance” and “diversity.”

    Since Sheryl couldn’t find a prom date and was weird as hell as a senior, I have a theory that’s it’s the high school rejection syndrome that draws them to Abdul. Damn sure couldn’t be the smell.

  194. Does anyone here know of anyone who plays 70 rounds in a couple years?

    G, I am assuming you didn’t mean for that question to sound as dumb as it did. To answer your specific question … yes … golf enthusiasts who live in a warm climate year-round play golf almost every weekend. That’s 52 weekends per year my friend. Do the math.

    Now I’m not saying that justifies the President’s frequency. I’m just answering your absurd question. The only reason I’m not going to waste time defending Obama on this is I know it’s simple tit-for-tat for all the Bush-leisure-bashing that went on.

    P.S. Obama got some heat in this thread for playing golf on Mem Day weekend. It was easy to ignore that he also laid a wreath at the tomb of the unknown soldier and then visited Joplin, MO to give them a pep talk after they got wiped off the map by a tornado. Pretty busy holiday weekend if you ask me.

  195. Secondly, she noted that, if the women ever get control over their own fertility, the fascist states are done.

    I don’t get that one Pfesser. Could you elaborate?

    By the way, my daughter when she was younger instinctively disliked men with beards. Mmmmmm. 🙂

  196. Believe Pfesser’s wife meant that the women won’t be kicking out potential jihadists by the bushel for the benefit of “Allah” – women would become the real hand that pushes the loving cradle at a time and frequency of their choosing, instead of baby making factories for misogynistic men believing wives and children are chattel and beasts of burden to do with as they wish. 😉

  197. The only people golfing every weekend are retired, or Pros.

    You don’t think that it was in bad form to lay the wreath and the head STRAIGHT to the golf course? Clearly, our priorities are different.

  198. “Secondly, she noted that, if the women ever get control over their own fertility, the fascist states are done. Clever girl, that. I’m reminded every day how far behind the curve I am…”

    I am sorry to have to tell you that your wife doesn’t know what she is talking about.

  199. So on the one hand…we are going to threaten potential hackers with cruise missiles and call their hacking acts of war….

    and on the other hand, we are going to do nothing—including investigate or even file charges—when someone (supposedly) “hacks” into the Internet communications of a sitting congressman….

  200. You don’t think that it was in bad form to lay the wreath and the head STRAIGHT to the golf course?

    You’re right G. After laying the wreath, Obama should have doused himself in gasoline and set himself on fire in the utter despair of thinking about all our war dead. 😐

  201. R, I curious, do you have anything to say about the videos I’ve posted?

    1) I haven’t a clue why no Dems voted for Obama’s budget. All of the financial talks right now from both right and left (with the possible exception of Ryan) are pure politics and will get us no where.
    2) Jihadists want to steal our money and women. New news?
    3) Weiner is either a) lying or b) sick and tired of a prank overshadowing real news and he refuses to perpetuate it. It is funny that he can’t say whether or not it is his dick. LOL Jon Stewart says it isn’t and he oughta know! 🙂

    As an aside, the reason I comment seldom on videos is that I can read a comment quickly but I can only watch a video in the time it takes for the video to play and sometimes I’m too pressed for time to get to them.

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