Unicorns, Skittles and the Rapture

I said to my neighbor Ted that my co-worker told me that at noon tomorrow a unicorn would walk across my front lawn leaving a path of tasty Skittles behind him. Ted laughed uproariously telling me what a boob my co-worker was. “How ridiculous,” Ted said, “a unicorn will leave Skittles across your front lawn but it isn’t going to happen tomorrow!”

And so went the media spin today as everyone lined up to mock Harold Camping who said that I should not be writing this post right now. By now I should be writhing in pain as the earth crumbles beneath me and the true believers in Christ rise to glory.

The ridicule for Camping is nearly universal but no one is willing to go out on a limb and say that the whole idea of the rapture is absurd. No one is willing to say the rapture will not occur today at 6PM, nor tomorrow, nor the next day, nor any day in the future. It is fiction. It is allegory designed to get folks to behave properly in their current lives (or in rapture-speak, to “be ready”).

The lack of internal logic evidenced in Camping-critics boggles the mind. A case in point is a Baptist minister who was interviewed this morning on TV. He laughed and snickered at Camping’s prophecy. He reminded us that false prophets should be stoned to death (but not Camping of course … that would be over the top). He called people who followed Camping, “gullible”. Then he said that only God knows when the rapture will come. I sat there scratching my head. He had the nerve to call Camping followers gullible but when he utters the same meme, not committing to an exact date, suddenly his congregation is not gullible? So let me get this straight, the rapture only becomes laughable when you put a date on it?

I can’t point a finger at the devout only. The media has twisted itself in knots calling today’s predicted apocalypse ridiculous but reserving respect for the concept of rapture. I don’t see how any truly religious person would not find the reaction to Camping deeply offensive. Let’s be honest. If you are laughing at the rapture occurring today, then you are really laughing at the rapture, period. This phenom of the media stepping right up to the edge of calling the rapture foolishness but then stopping, is the ultimate hypocrisy.

But speaking of hypocrisy, let’s get back to the devout for a moment. The reaction this week to Camping by God-fearing Christians truly makes me wonder if they really deep down take any of this stuff seriously. What happens when someone sees Christ on a potato chip or on a tree trunk? Just about everyone calls him a whack job. With the rare exception of Joseph Smith Jr. who built an entire religion around his talks with God, what other modern-day flesh-and-blood human is taken seriously when he says he has received specific instructions from the almighty? When Mike Huckabee says prayer helped him reach his decision not to run for President, how many so-called seriously religious people really believe God literally told him what to do? For the most part, people believe that Huckabee found enough peace, comfort and quiet meditation through prayer to reach a decision that felt right for him. If Mike ever said literally that “God told me to leave Obama alone”, 90% of us, church goers or not, would write him off as a nut case.

The case of Harold Camping speaks volumes about what people, even religious people, are willing to believe. As long as the most supernatural aspects of the Bible remain shrouded in un-provable generalities, most folks will gladly sign on. But if anyone dares to get to a level of specificity that invites scientific scrutiny (like the world will end tomorrow at 6PM) suddenly that person becomes persona non grata. People like their religion so long as you can’t prove them wrong. Clearly I cannot prove with 100% certainty that the world will not end someday, nor can I prove with 100% certainty what will happen to all of us when that day comes. If you change “someday” to “tomorrow” or “next week” or even “within the next ten years” I can state with much greater certainty that the end of world claim is bogus. So can just about everyone else. That’s why it is imperative that only God knows when the day of reckoning will come. So long as only God has the answer, we can all just go along believing the rapture will happen, just not today.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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115 thoughts on “Unicorns, Skittles and the Rapture

  1. Now, if someone says terrorists will get their hands on Pakistan’s nukes within the next ten years and blow the planet to bits, that’s a “prophecy” we might want to take more seriously.

  2. There are plenty of “Christians” out there saying and doing enough ridiculous things that the rest of us believers just cringe everytime we get wind of another off-the-wall “Christian” practice or pronouncement. Most forget we have been given 2 eyes and 2 ears and only one mouth. It seems more often the mouth gets the workout, whereas logic determines it should not be so.

    Whether there is going to be a “rapture” of the church or not has been quite a point of controversy. All believers will agree there will be a second coming of the Lord and a judgment of the peoples of the earth. We just cannot agree to how or when.

    But just as I cannot hold you accountable for all the stupid the black race has said, done, or is doing, you shouldn’t hold all believers accountable for the stupidity of some. We love to generalize, but hate generalizations. As Americans, we don’t like the world to judge us on the actions of a few obnoxious standouts. Right?

    So back to whether there will or will not be a rapture… A believer is not to be concerned with such things. Our job is to spread the good news of salvation and usher in the kingdom of heaven – seeking truth and exposing evil. There is no “escape” from the “work” of the church. People have been treating this rapture event like a “get out of jail free” card. That has no basis in fact. Whether the era ends tonight, tomorrow, or 100 years from now, it really is irrelevant. What matters more is the condition of your heart right now. We should live every moment as if it were our last.

  3. R –
    My biggest problem is all the time and money we spend on this stuff. Days, weeks, months sitting in church soaking up propaganda. Millions of deaths – violent deaths. Trillions of man-hours of work sunk into building churches, mosques, cathedrals – for what? Money, time, effort that could go into building roads, curing disease, taking care of the elderly and infirm. Education.

    Such a waste. Such a waste.

  4. Well, R. There most certainly will be an “end of the world” when the sun burns out. But we’ll have a lot of advance notice–assuming there are still humans on earth at that time and we haven’t a) moved to Mars, b) been raptured.

  5. Rutherford, rapture should be the one thing you don’t mock about Christianity. The very idea of it could be potentially tied to scientific events that are a certainty.

    As for Pfessor and his “sophomore in college” esque take on the role of religion in America, as usual, your bloated opinions seem oblivious to the facts on the ground.

    I won’t wax on about the universities, orphanages, schools, hospitals, shelters for abused women, rehab centers and soup kitchens.

    I will bring up the little old lady who lived across the street from me growing up. Widowed for decades with a curved spine, she would walk a block down to church every day. She had lived a tough life in Poland. Tougher then anything me or you could imagine.

    America improved her lot, no doubt. But, she was dealt a bad hand here too.

    Yet, rain or shine, she had the biggest smile on her face on her walk back from church.

    We considered the old lady a national treasure in my neighborhood. Even though she had no living family members left when she died, I’m told her funeral was a big one.

  6. Well I have been mildly curious about the devout left’s obsession with the May date. Checking in here since the grumbles began a few days ago and seeing nothing of substance, only PFesser’s persistant foolishness on the subject, I wasn’t sure I would be enlightened and thought that maybe the fevered do-gooders were merely indulging in more of their self-righteous preening.

    But here again, Rutherford, your talents have clarified for me the gibberish coming from the Phony Fat Grannies disciples (a generalization of “The Left”) and their speaking in tongues.

    BTW, I didn’t thank you for helping me to comprehend that obnoxious “stay out of my vagina” language, but I should have. So thank you. Sincerely. And thank you for this post as well. As sharp as the reminder can be, I needed it.

  7. I’m hoping by end of the week to write a response blog to this.” – R

    Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, mental midgets of the Left… the response.

    I’m not surprised…

  8. Gorilla, au contraire, do you REALLY think this was a response to your post? This was published while the topic was still hot, Your topic stays hot forever and I have been composing a response in my mind ever since I read your piece. It will come. Be patient.

  9. The thing about being right (or Right) is that you can never be wrong. You can never admit to making a mistake. And that, ladies and gentlemen is what will ultimately do you in.

  10. “As for Pfessor and his “sophomore in college” esque take on the role of religion in America,”

    – an unintended compliment, actually. Even the greenest sophomore in the most backwoods college in America doesn’t believe in magical talking snakes; even he knows that fairy tales are for pre-schoolers.

    Et tu?

  11. PF…surely you can’t be saying there is no such thing as a magical talking snake My whole world view and self-esteem depends on that being tirue.

  12. It always stuns me how people can dismiss God or a higher intelligence having orchestrated this whole biology experiment. The more we look and learn, the more we see purpose, order, motion, sound, and beauty in all known “natural” things.

    It really takes much more faith to believe it all happenstance.

  13. Actually, Poolmsn, that is not true in the least. The more we learn, the more we discover ramdomnes and chaos, and the more we become comfortable with it. You are making a very, very old argument: there has to be a Clockmaker. Not really.

  14. Literrally centuries have passed since anyone took that idea seriously. That’s why Pascal made his wager.

    If you can stop philosophizing about the pholgiston for five minutes, Farraday, Newton, and Einstein are outside. They’d like a word with you.

  15. BiW, the unsubstantial critique is unbecoming. Address the issue raised. I’m not surprised you’re not doing it because it exposes at least half of your fellow church-goers as frauds.

    Rabbit, you too make the mistake of thinking this is a mere mockery of the rapture. My point goes deeper than that. My point is that this past week proved beyond much doubt that most so called Christians when faced with the reality of a rapture today find the whole thing nonsense. If it is nonsense today, why is it not nonsense someday?

  16. Actually, Poolmsn, that is not true in the least. The more we learn, the more we discover ramdomnes and chaos, and the more we become comfortable with it.

    So close, and yet so far…

    Chaos and randomness? Or is this your explanation for order that doesn’t meet your understanding based on today’s theory?

  17. Address the issue raised.

    I’m sorry. There was an issue in there? I guess I’ll have to break out my magnifying glass, and turn over the usual nuggets of mockery for the man who placed all his hopes in the hands of a man who was going to stop the rise of the oceans and heal the planet…whose wife told us that he would heal the holes in our souls…you speak of hypocrisy while ignoring the deafening rattle of its chains around your wrists and ankles. You who would believe in a man who would put himself in the place of God, freely mocks those who choose to place their faith in the Son of God without any sense of irony, merely because their fervrence leads them to forget or ignore what they should know from scripture because they long for his kingdom, while you spin, dissemble, and make excuses for the man who believes himself God, and who offered a mirage of hope with no understanding of what real hope is.

    You are neither clever, or original. Your “critique” is based in your rejection, not your understanding, and like the student who laughs out of turn, you convince yourself that there is wisdom in your foolishness, and like the Emperor of the story, the glory of your rainment exists only in the confines of your stubbornly closed mind.

  18. That isn’t true, fakename.

    Everything can broken down to it’s essence and still we find the same set of instructions in its most basic components. All things grow from predetermined instructions contained in the initial component’s imprinting. Where do you find chaos?

    Aside from everything being unique, like every snowflake, person, fingerprint, etc. being a one of a kind, where do you find randomness?

    How long have we known the stars, planets, and sun produce sound? Now we can listen to recordings of them.

    How long have we determined everything in the known universe has a water (coating) barrier around it? Science has just recently discovered all things do, some by only one molecule in thickness!

    The old book of “fairy tails” makes note of these “new discoveries”.

  19. ” My point is that this past week proved beyond much doubt that most so called Christians when faced with the reality of a rapture the whole thing nonsense. If it is nonsense today, why is it not nonsense someday ?”-Rutherford

    Bravo.

    If it makes you feel “deep” to sink your vampire teeth into people who freely admit that FAITH is the crux of their belief system, what can I say, go get ‘um heavy weight.

    However, if you go the route of the mighty Pfessor, I’ve got a problem. Christianity, via a bumpy, dusty and flawed trail, has lifted man out of barbarism.

    Your rational atheists have murdered more people then all the wars through out all of human history in a mere couple decades.

  20. Rabbit, my problem or confusion involves people whose faith seems to have an arbitrary limit. I agree with you. Belief in the rapture is based on faith. But why is faith suspended when faced with a reality test (like, it’ll happen tomorrow)? You don’t find it interesting that the faithful openly mocked Harold Camping who no doubt considers himself a man of faith? I mentioned Joseph Smith in the article. Isn’t that another interesting example where many Christians draw a line on faith and call Smith a fraud and Mormonism a joke (or at least strange)?

    Perhaps I should have given the post a more serious title. Instead of “Unicorns, Skittles and the Rapture” I should have titled it “The Limits of Faith”.

    For the record I do think Pfesser weakens his anti-religion argument by denying the good that religion has done. I can’t ignore their charitable works. I’ll leave it up to historians smarter than I to weigh in on whether or not these charitable works outnumber the atrocities done in the name of God.

  21. R –
    “For the record I do think Pfesser weakens his anti-religion argument by denying the good that religion has done. ”

    Nobody has denied at all the good done by religion. Find where I said anything like that; of course you can’t because I didn’t. It’s just simply outweighed by its evil at least three to one. Make that fifty to one.

    As for the evil done by atheists – atheism was but one characteristic of some evil men, and they didn’t cite that as the reason they did what they did. Many, for example, also had moustaches; maybe those caused them to be evil. Association does not mean causation.

    Religion on the other hand is itself the reason so much evil is done. Hitler was atheist, but his reasons given were that of national pride (among others), but not a non-belief in gods. As for religion (really a better term is superstition), OTOH, in the past people were burned at the stake, hanged as witches – and today are murdered daily because they do not believe in Allah or follow what clerics believe as his will. Any belief system that is not testable and can not be refuted by evidence has the potential for abuse – and of course is *always* abused, as are the people who fall under its evil influence.

    Can religious people do good? Of course, but it is not a necessary precondition. Anybody can do good – or evil. However, the only time you will ever see good people doing really evil things, it takes religion. There’s no getting around that.

  22. Pfesser, bravo. A good defense of your position. I never thought about it that way before but indeed when is the last time anyone ever killed someone because they didn’t believe in God? LOL A damn good point and one that lays to rest this meme of evil atheists promoted by Rabbit and Tex.

    You also said something else that is significant and I’m not sure you realized what you were typing when you typed it. I highlight the key word:

    “However, the only time you will ever see good people doing really evil things, it takes religion.”

    Now of course it is a generalization but I focused on the word good. Religion, like no other force, can take an otherwise good person and drive him to totally irrational behavior.

  23. Before Rabbit, etal. beat me to it, their counter argument will be that atheist regimes do evil not to persecute believers but because they lack the moral compass that only religion provides.

    Of course, the notion that the only way to be moral is to be religious is pure poppycock.

  24. However, the only time you will ever see good people doing really evil things, it takes religion power. There’s no getting around that.

    You see gross evil in government, where great sums of money and power over people are involved. True, money is the religion of many. The “In God We Trust” printed on our currency is obviously the god of materialism. That, along with all the other masonic symbolism displayed in our capital’s layout and within our various national monuments and idols.

    People use religion to gain power over property and others. It is those MANipulators that are evil, generally disguising their actions in layers of righteous rites. The religion itself is generally not at fault.

    Before the technological age of today, where most place their faith in man’s abilities and intelligence and deny the supernatural more with each passing day, religion flourished in even the remotest of places. It is that “connection” to the universe all living things know and yet humans must define in tangible terms.

    It is easier to dismiss the unknown rather than embrace and defend it.

    Just the fact that you admit there is both good and evil in people, untangible evidence itself, makes your attempt at denying the unseen laughable. In the least it is a hypocritical stance. Where is your proof?

  25. “It is allegory designed to get folks to behave properly in their current lives (or in rapture-speak, to “be ready”).? – R

    Rutherford, I can understand why you would believe this. But it isn’t true.

    Christianity is not about good behavior, or “so-called Christian” (silly expression, by the way) bad behavior. It’s not about changing behaviors of the unbeliever. No amount or degree of good behavior in and of itself will seal you in, and no amount or degree of bad behavior can keep you out.

    It’s about Christ.

    It’s good news.

  26. “It is easier to dismiss the unknown rather than embrace and defend it.”

    No, you just say it is unknown.

    You can’t prove a negative – for example that there are no unicorns pooping Skittles (I want one of those!), so it was established long ago that the burden of proof rests on him who asserts. It is up to you, as a believer, to prove the “unknown” (in a religious sense) exists; it is not my burden to prove it does not.

    “Just the fact that you admit there is both good and evil in people, untangible evidence itself, makes your attempt at denying the unseen laughable. In the least it is a hypocritical stance. Where is your proof?”

    The existence of a concept – which is to say something you cannot touch – is real – just like the *concept* of gods is real. That does not make the gods themselves real.

    As for good and evil, as an electrical engineer I have never seen an electron or rolled one across the table, but I know they exist because I can time after time do experiments that prove it. How do I know good and evil exist? The very same way. All I have to do is define what they mean and then look at history, or just go down to the local police station.

    (BTW the best definition I have found of good and evil is: That is good which leads to the greatest human happiness; that is evil which does not.)

  27. You don’t find it interesting that the faithful openly mocked Harold Camping who no doubt considers himself a man of faith?

    Not especially, but then, I know that for some of those people, they tend to be more convinced by Matthew 24:36 than a guy who proclaimed against the weight of the scriptures that he knew the date and time when the faithful would meet HIM in the air.

    Not so puzzling when you have that little piece.

    As for Joe Smith, you’d be talking about a guy who’s scripture was only ever known to him, and who decided sua sponte to pass judgment upon each of the books of the Bible and declare each to be “inspired” or “not divinely inspired”. Still, I’ve managed to go this long without having a holy war with family members about it. Neither side has demanded conversion, and no one has been threatened with decapitation, so in my mind, that puts both sveral centuries ahead of the bloodthirsty rock-worshippers from the land of sand.

  28. There has been some research and writings regarding the reasons for evil persons in positions of authority throughout society. The conclusions make sense, explaining how psychopaths run much of the world.

    The “regular” folks don’t want to accept the results, as many feel man is inherently good. The Bible explains the opposite. Man is born evil and must opt for good. True, observation shows us some seem bent on evil and others tend toward good. Yet the definitions of good and evil have been clouded and watered down over time. Many feel there is no true good or evil, just different choices, insignificant morally, solely based on circumstances. A virtual blurring of the lines.

    We are a species tending toward extremes. Maybe it’s due to the fact that we are traveling through space at 60,000 miles per hour, yet are unaware we are moving at all. Instead of moderation, we bounce from one end of the spectrum to the other, demonizing those that are at the opposite end.

    So far in my lifetime, I have seen evil labeled firstly as “communist”, then morphing into “socialist”, and recently to “Islam”. The molding of this “evil” in society must fit the agenda of those that profit from the dividing and conquering of other peoples and their resources. Those in communist countries or oligarchies see democracy as “evil”. It is all MANipulation.

    So, pointing to religion as the ultimate “problem” with the world and humanity, is a lazy and unsubstantiated conclusion. As usual, it is the persons behind the “curtain” that steer the vessel toward evil or good. So, just because it is a big and obviously overladen ship, doesn’t mean all passengers are hoisting the sails or maning the helm. The vision from surrounding vessels or the shore may give a certain perspective from which you can draw some conclusions. But those are not necessarily accurate, since you cannot see the rudder, feel the current, or know what lies beneath the surface.

  29. I wonder if Rutherford understands that the biggest critics of this scam were 99.9% Christian? Probably not…I actually laughed out loud at this crook and raised my hands at high noon in Hawaii on a volcanic mountain (6;00 EST) to mock the “prophet.”

    Pfesser trying to use Oral Roberts as another example of religious leader actually made me laugh out loud. I think I’ll start using snake oil salesman or late night chiropractic healers as examples of medical doctors starting today. It makes as much sense.

    Anyone tells you when the rapture is, I can assure them it will not happen then.

    Now I remember why after 11 days, I haven’t much missed this place. 🙂 The specious posts, the pretentious nonsense, the irreligious host trying to bait, FOX bashing, McCain honorable (for once), but only when he agrees with Rutherford. We waterboard our own SEALS – so I suppose we torture them too. etc… Did I mention besides a few affirmative action Congressman, I’ve decided John McCain might be the dumbest Congress’person’ going? A real moron – no wonder he couldn’t beat the lamest excuse for President in U.S. History.

    Rutherford, I can’t tell you how foolish you really are. But there is that little devil that sits on my shoulder almost wishing I could watch you burn when your time does come. 😈

    I think that about catches me up after two weeks.

  30. Well Tex, one thing your week off did NOT do for you was improve your reading comprehension. I am not surprised 99.9% of Camping critics were Christian … that is my ENTIRE point. Christians believe the un-believable until you put them to the test and make a very specific claim. Then suddenly, the belief, in this case, of the rapture, goes to hell in a hand-basket.

    Anyway, I asked you on the old thread that you commented on, how did graduation go? Is daughter glad to have joined the “real world”?

  31. We waterboard our own SEALS – so I suppose we torture them too.

    That old dumb-ass argument again? We water board our own so they learn how to resist torture. Why do you think we do it … for simple endurance testing? For fun?

    So you were in Hawaii? Shame you didn’t bring some fresh arguments back with you. 😉

  32. “Christians believe the un-believable until you put them to the test and make a very specific claim. Then suddenly, the belief, in this case, of the rapture, goes to hell in a hand-basket.”

    So the vast majority of Christians didn’t believe that this guy could predict the date of the rapture (as stated in the bible) and they were right. It didn’t happen on that date. That’s “the test” and your proof of how stupid Christians are. Heavy.

    No wonder you still have faith in Obama. Anyone with a brain could’ve predicted his incompetence beginning in 2008, and they’d have been right. So he must be god.

    No logic problems here.

  33. That’s “the test” and your proof of how stupid Christians are.

    NO NO NO. You don’t get it. It has nothing to do with being stupid. It has to do with deep down in our human logic knowing that the rapture is fiction. We call ourselves religious and we sign on to all sorts of stuff that defies any kind of sense … but when faced with the actual possibility of the implausible being plausible, we laugh it off.

    What I am telling you very simply is that saying “no one can predict the day of the rapture” is a get out of jail free card for saying it ain’t gonna happen and we all know it ain’t gonna happen.

    OK Tigre, you can’t give me a date. Only God knows. But let me ask you, do you really think the rapture will come in your lifetime? Do you know any sane Christian who says it will come in their lifetime?

    All those folks, most of them Christian as Tex pointed out, who were laughing on TV Saturday weren’t simply laughing at the date prediction … they were laughing at the specifics of the event. They DON’T friggin believe this stuff. They pay it lip service.

    THAT is my point.

  34. All those folks, most of them Christian as Tex pointed out, who were laughing on TV Saturday weren’t simply laughing at the date prediction … they were laughing at the specifics of the event. They DON’T friggin believe this stuff. They pay it lip service.

    THAT is my point.

    Or since they were told very clearly by Christ that no man may know the hour of his return, they simply go on with their lives, rather than expending time, effort, and concern in anticipation of his return. (Although having the object lesson of so many who came before who failed to heed that little message or were ignorant of it probably doesn’t hurt any either.)

    I would submit that you are the very last person that I would seek out for an appraisal of the depth, sincerity, or logic of someone else’s faith, Rutherford. It would be like asking the average three-year old to describe the latest pontifications of Michio Kaku on hyperspace theory, with an in-depth study of the mathematics involved.

  35. I would submit that you are the very last person that I would seek out for an appraisal of the depth, sincerity, or logic of someone else’s faith, Rutherford. It would be like asking the average three-year old to describe the latest pontifications of Michio Kaku on hyperspace theory, with an in-depth study of the mathematics involved.

    Excellent summation as always BIC and Tigre. Rutherford is trying the proverbial having his cake lib routine. My comment to idgit was a statement of faith – even if Rutherford doesn’t get it.

    When I stood on the mountain and mocked the false prophet (much to my wife’s chagrin), it wasn’t because I didn’t believe in the rapture (I do). It was that at that one moment, I knew it wouldn’t happen because no man knows the hour, and certainly not some charlatan making money off the vast number of rubes.

  36. ** GUFFAW ** WHAT A PHONY BASTARD!!! 😆 😆

    Ah Bejaysus and Begorrah! Oi’ll be swearin’ boi the auld shrine to the Vorgin with the shamrocks growin’ round it next to the hill where Cuchullain slew the Great Leprechaun of Kildare on St Patrick’s Day that Barack Seamus O’Toole Flaherty Joyce O’Bama is the most Irish US president that ever set foot on the Emerald Oisle, so he is, so he is.

    Except, when he’s in Africa, of course, when he disappears into the dry ice and re-emerges with a grass skirt and a bone through his nose and declares himself to be Mandingo, Prince of the Bloodline of the Bonga People, Drinker of Cattle Urine, Father of A Thousand Warrior Sons, Keeper of King Solomon’s Mines, Barehanded Slayer of Lions, Undaunted Victim of the Evil Colonial British Empire.

    And in the Middle East, where he is Al-Barak Hussein Obama, Protector of the Holy Shrine, Smiter of the Kuffar, Lion of the Desert, Tent-Loving-Aficionado-of-the-Oversweetened-Coffee, Chomper of Sheeps’ Eyeballs, Restorer of the Caliphate.

    Etc.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100088971/obama-oh-puh-lease/

  37. Tex,

    It’s been Dr. Dumb Shit here lately.

    Attack of the body snatchers shit with sensico’s brain taking over Rutherford’s beef jerky carcass.

  38. R, your explanation was more pathetic than your original comment. I understood your point. I would not consider myself a religious person and still find it an insulting extrapolation of what you claim to have observed.

    And then I watched R’s buddy Crazy Larry posted by BiW in the prior thread. The fact that anyone finds that truly dumb fucker edifying is just plain depressing. And then I hit this. . .

    R, have you been drunk posting? If not, I am convinced the rapture has just begun.

  39. Attack of the body snatchers shit with sensico’s brain taking over Rutherford’s beef jerky carcass.

    Wow.

    Just…wow.

    To think that there are times when I pull my punches, and DR comes out of nowhere and gives our host a quick, solid knee jab to the face and leaves him sitting in a pool of blood.

  40. Attack of the body snatchers shit with sensico’s brain taking over Rutherford’s beef jerky carcass.

    What else needs to be said? Perfect…

    Beef Jerky Carcass 😆

  41. Okay Rutherford, you were nice enough to ask about my daughter’s graduation. A story of “if it weren’t for bad luck, I’d have no luck at all.”

    First, I have to set this up.

    I’ve bragged way too much here about my Smartie Pants daughter, but the kid graduated outstanding biology/biochemistry student. Summa, University honors, Foundation Honors, 4.0 – the antithesis of say somebody like Fake or Puppet.. 🙂 Feminine, smart and very pretty. And to the kid, it is no big deal – it’s a damn big deal to proud daddy.

    O.T. – A little too smarty pants, as dad and daughter had an exchange of a few words when she corrected me for the 132 time on vacation about wrong turn. Like here, I left Ms. Smartie Pants with her mouth gaping. She may be about a gazillion times smarter than the old man, but daddy still rules the roost in the battle of quick wits. 😈 Mother corrected daddy later with a take down of her own, because if mom ain’t happy, nobody is happy and mommy was paying for the outrageously expensive trip.

    So anyway, there were 1,367 frickin graduates in this particular ceremony, which included the military portion which was very cool – the rest was boring as hell. It took 3 hours just to announce the names – I kid you not.

    Anyway, Ms. Smartie Pants just happens to sit next to and right behind in the announcement of the star quarterback of the football team who also graduated with the same major, hoping to go to medical school himself next year.

    So we sit there for three hours as she was one of the very last, and the moment arrives for daughter #1 to walk across the stage with father beaming. The program doesn’t list the honors, so they are announcing the names with respective honors. The star senior quarterback walks across the stage and the crowd explodes, with daughter following. You can imagine how quickly they are reading the names.

    The only part of my daughter’s announcement you hear above the roar is blah blah blah, “……….,………..,…………,……….,…ors.”

    We obviously are destined to remain poor, white trash. 🙂

  42. Well Tex, all that matters is that the folks in the audience who really counted knew your daughter’s accomplishments. What I want to know is how you bamboozled your wife into taking you to Hawaii? 😉

    By the way, just to catch you up in case you didn’t see it in the prior thread, we put the house up for sale, and within a week accepted an offer. We expect to be out by end of June. Where we’re going, not yet fully figured out.

  43. As for the beef jerky, etc. All I can do is laugh. This whole rapture weekend gave me perfect fodder to catch religious folk at their hypocritical best. And it burns most of you up to read it. I think some of you are really so intoxicated by faith that you can’t begin to understand what I wrote.

    Truly, if I were religious, the tone of the media last weekend would have offended me because AGAIN I assure you, they weren’t just laughing at the timing. They were laughing at the concept.

    By the way … Tex as you stood on the mountain top mocking Camping, I have one question for your incredibly arrogant soul.

    No man can predict when the end of days will come. Right? This means you cannot predict that on any particular day that it will NOT come. Right? So, how could you be so sure that old Camping might not get “lucky” and pick the right day without any tips from the almighty or words from the Bible to guide him. What if he just got plain lucky? You dismissed that possibility. You know why? Cos you know it ain’t happening … today, tomorrow or any day in your lifetime. That’s why. 😉

  44. BTW, if the rapture is so fundamental to Christianity can anyone explain to me why it was conceptualized for the first time in the 17th century?

    The concept of the Rapture, in connection with premillennialism, was expressed by the 17th-century American Puritan father and son Increase and Cotton Mather. They held to the idea that believers would be caught up in the air, followed by judgments on the Earth, and then the millennium. Rapture

    P.S. The Mathers are “friends” of mine. Increase Mather was President of Harvard and the upper class residence hall I called home was Mather House.

  45. From NOP’s link above, the following with my highlighting added:

    When I opened the door they began burbling enthusiastically about the coming apocalypse and waved a glossy tract with what I can only presume was either a picture of Harold Camping or one of those desiccated beef-jerky like mummies they’ve been finding in the Andes.

    Who woulda thunk Rabbit and the Stonekettle guy would use the same vocabulary? 😉

  46. So, how could you be so sure that old Camping might not get “lucky” and pick the right day without any tips from the almighty or words from the Bible to guide him. What if he just got plain lucky? You dismissed that possibility. You know why? Cos you know it ain’t happening … today, tomorrow or any day in your lifetime. That’s why.

    I don’t often disagree with BIC, but in this case, he is seriously wrong. He called you a three year old in respect to your knowledge of Christianity. I say you haven’t made it out of the crib.

    As it was in the days of Noah, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be. So how was it in the days of Noah? Everyone was taken by surprise. Christ goes further when asked in Matthew 24 and answers if anyone tells you they know, do not believe it.

    So I simply knew this clown would be wrong and if there is anything I disdain more than libs and feminazis, it’s charlatans playing Christ’s prophets.

    But you think I deny the rapture? Think again….not only do I believe it, but I clearly see the signs the time approaches and is imminent, including the clown in chief Obama selling Israel out. America is probably Israel’s last real friend. Sometime America turns against Israel with the rest of the world. When that happens, and it won’t until Christians (of which Obama is clearly not one) are removed from the picture. A false peace pact ensues thereafter.

    While I never believed Obama something like the anti-Christ, for no other reason than he’s clearly too stupid, I always believed Obama would help usher in some really bad news, was a tool for evil, and he hasn’t disappointed or surprised. Zero clearly hates Jews and sympathizes with the Islamic world – perhaps even a closet Muslim out of the mold of Wright, or perhaps even Farrakhan.

  47. You know what’s ironic Rutherford? You mockers of Christ all fit the same caricature, and it’s the same caricature since the dawn of man. Now you’ll deny you’re mocking Christ, but it is undeniable you are. It’s His Word you mock, so at least have the fortitude to admit the obvious.

    Pfesser, Puppet, Graychin, Dawg, Flake – all of you are cut out of the same mold. Your individual arrogance is noted (and why, I have no idea), but your insight laughable – even juvenile. This is simply history repeating itself. Your politics and social mores vary to one degree or another, but each of you have some seriously screwed up judgment about anything of importance. Seriously screwed up.

    I noticed it big time on vacation – how plastic and hollow much of America has become. How we are ripe for the picking and its coming sure as the sun rising. 9/11 will be a pinprick of things to come. I guarantee you I’m right. I can’t tell you when or where like the charlatan. Only that it is.

    But it really doesn’t bother me much, because I don’t really need to do anything to correct the problem. It will all be done for me. 🙂 Seriously. And as awful as that sounds and the kind of horror that will follow of which you can’t even fathom, I don’t really have any concerns – just a morbid fascination about how clueless you guys and gals really are, and how you’re nothing new. My real sin is wanting to hang around for one nanosecond before your pitiful world blows up and say something like, “Told you so…”, or “Where’s your arrogance now?” 🙂 But I don’t think Christ would exactly approve of my attitude. I’ll work on it.

  48. Offended. Well, yeah. Maybe in the wounded sense. Maybe in the sense that someone made sure somehow that you knew for certain that all joking aside, deep down they really hated you. Kind of like that offended. Yeah.

    —–

    “I left Ms. Smartie Pants with her mouth gaping.”

    Hah! Welcome back Tex. Congratulations on one of the good parts. :}

  49. I’m certainly grateful I don’t live in tornado alley anymore. That is some powerful stuff that hit MO! Ouch! That wind doesn’t mess around. This dirt clod is spinning a teeny bit faster with a little more wobble.

    I hope you got a decent basement, Tex, because your ass may rapture through a maple tree one day.

    As far as the rapture being a biblical event, it does point to a “catching up in the clouds” scenerio when Jesus returns to battle Satan. There are descriptions of how some will be “changed” in an instant. As for when, it is not known and anyone claiming otherwise is deceived. Only the Father knows. We are told to recognize the signs. The birth pangs. This clues us as to whether we are close or not. Truly, there have been believers looking for the second coming ever since Jesus left and said He would return the same way. No one would have guessed it would last another 2000 years. No one can say how long the Father will allow grace to sustain us. Not until the number of saved have all been redeemed and the fullness of this age occurs.

    Until then, stay up with the times…

  50. I hope you got a decent basement, Tex, because your ass may rapture through a maple tree one day.

    Unfortunately, that day may be today I understand. Isn’t that the truth? But more likely oak than maple. 😉

    Joplin is my old, child stomping ground and near my birthplace. I have cousins that actually work in the hospital hit and we still don’t know where all the extended family is located at this moment.

    It’s simply a way of life here and one you grow accustomed to. We have tornadoes, but also the greenest springs you ever see in conjunction – like the ocean and the hurricanes. The beauty far outweighs the terror.

    It wasn’t but 4-5 years ago, right down the road, the town of Pitcher, OK, was also blown away.

    Hopefully, my old adversary Graychin’s home is okay too. His lakeside home was near the path of several other small twisters.

  51. The dead rabbit “intoxicated by faith”. Rutherford, I’ve been labeled many things, but that my friend is a first.

  52. Offended. Well, yeah. Maybe in the wounded sense. Maybe in the sense that someone made sure somehow that you knew for certain that all joking aside, deep down they really hated you. Kind of like that offended. Yeah.

    I’m a bit puzzled by this one Muffy. Are you referring to the media? I don’t think the media hates Christians. That’s pretty heavy.

  53. Rutherford, I still find it fascinating that not one single predicted apocalypse from disease pandemics or environmental or population disasters has ever occurred. Yet you place your faith in the global warming myth while mocking Christians that believe in the rapture apparently described in the bible. In fact, you call it settled science which it most certainly is not. And you use the word hypocrisy to attack christianity. Incredible.

  54. Oh Tex, my buddy, I give you major points for consistency. Obama did NOT sell out Israel. Obama said the same damn thing everyone in the foreign policy sphere has been saying for years now …. 1967 borders with land swaps. Those who want to create a story out of a non-story leave the land swap part out of his comments last Thursday.

    Everyone knows you have to start somewhere. Sadly, Tex, I don’t think Bibi wants peace any more than anyone else. He is a hawk. Interestingly I heard on the news the other day that he is basically the Jewish equivalent of America’s religious right. He’s a conservative more interested in being right than making his country a good world neighbor. We are Israel’s only real friend and they don’t appreciate it.

    And you should be ashamed of yourself not to condemn ANY leader of another country coming here and lecturing OUR President in public.

  55. And it burns most of you up to read it.

    Not really. I find it to be more precious pretentiousness on a subject of which you have already revealed yourself to be an enfant terrible.

    I think some of you are really so intoxicated by faith that you can’t begin to understand what I wrote.

    I think that you are in danger of throwing your shoulder out patting yourself on the back the way that you are right now. It’s too bad that your “victory” is non-existent.

    I used to think that you were simply ignorant, but it appears to me that instead, there is something inside you that is dark, and leaps with joy at the idea that declaring the primacy of man, and leaning on his own understanding alone, doesn’t just make you superior to the ones you believe you have put down, but that you have somehow caused them pain or grieved their spirit.

    It doesn’t make me mad. It doesn’t “burn” me. It merely makes me sad for you, because you have placed your hope in things that can only fail you.

  56. Tigre, I’ll repeat what I’ve said before. Global warming theories deserve our continued research and scrutiny. I don’t view it as settled science.

    Still no one wants to take a stab at why the rapture suddenly became a topic in the 17th century?

    I have it from a non-commenting reader who writes me privately and knows the Bible better than I do that Christ told some of his younger followers that he would return in their lifetime. He didn’t.

    As usual, the best way to settle this is to simply say “enjoy your faith”. If it gets you through the day, so much the better. Am I really diminished by your belief in people flying into the air, Noah’s arc, and magic underwear? Absolutely not.

    Peace.

  57. And you should be ashamed of yourself not to condemn ANY leader of another country coming here and lecturing OUR President in public.

    You should be ashamed at a President so filled with hubris that he sees the need to dictate peace terms to a man charged with leading a country that is attacked daily by savages, from land already voluntarily given up in the name of peace. You should be ashamed of a president who believes that he can didctate terms for peace to a man who understands full well that the other party to the process has as part of its charter the destruction of his nation.

    It isn’t that the Isrealis don’t want peace; its the fact that they know that when their opponents say “peace”, they are referring to the peace of the grave.

    And you should be ashamed of a president too enraptured with the sound of his own voice and the adoration of his worshippers to see the world clearly for what it is.

  58. BiW, seriously, I have no intention of causing anyone pain. I spend time here with intelligent men and women who I know can recognize logical inconsistency when they see it. What does interest me is watching some of you twist your minds into a virtual knot dismissing Camping but not the event he is predicting.

    I will give Tex this much credit. He comes closer to Camping than any of the rest of you. He calls the end of days “imminent”. Now perhaps he means imminent on a very large scale … so it could be 100 years from now but Tex, like Camping thinks the time is at hand. Since he doesn’t want to play the role of false prophet, he doesn’t give us a date.

    So far from the testimony I’ve seen here, Tex comes closest to a “true believer” than anyone else.

  59. Rutherford, O’Bama the Irishman (hrmph hrmph) clearly is trying to sell Israel out. Each day that goes by, I’m convinced O’Bama hates the Israeli Jews, much as he hates the Brits – perhaps Zero is a closet Muslim. Wright surely is.

    Zero pulled a hamstring after he realized his stupid statement didn’t float – the ultimate lead balloon. Actually, Zero pulled a hamstring backing up when rich secular Jews threatened to remove the campaign funds if he didn’t retract his true intentions. The man isn’t principled enough to admit he “misspoke”, so it has to be millions of us “little people” simply misunderstood his brilliance and good intent. 😡

    Now, about your continuing biblical ignorance about the so called 17th century theory of the ‘rapture’? The word “rapture” in Scripture is taken from the Latin “rapio” for the two words “caught up” used in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. It has come into popular use today to refer to the Lord Jesus coming for the church, to lift her up into the heavens.

    Of course, I assume you’ll also have a problem with Trinity by name in the Bible? It’s not there either, nor is the word mission and a number of other terms we use to describe theological concepts clearly taught in Scripture.

    It’s a non issue.

  60. You should be ashamed at a President so filled with hubris that he sees the need to dictate peace terms to …

    As I said over at Alfie’s place, Obama’s remarks on Israel/Palestine on Thursday were what I would call gratuitous. The speech was billed as an Arab Spring speech. There was no reason to pull Israel into it.On that point, I’ll admit he blundered. Beyond that, he did nothing wrong.

    We’ve been involved in this peace process for decades now. We’ve been mediator and peace-broker. So I say to you BiW, if you don’t want us to suggest the terms of the settlement, then we should get the hell out of it completely and let the two babies keep fighting for a few more centuries. Obama didn’t dictate anything. He enunciated the United States policy on a good place for negotiations to start … a policy consistent with the past few Presidents.

    I think you have a problem with a two state solution. Would you like to see Palestine blown off the face of the Earth? Let’s face it, all they are are trouble-making Muslims. 👿

  61. Fuck Bibi. We wouldn’t stand by silent and let Hugo Chavez come to our own congress and talk shit about our leader. Why is the leader of Israel any different?

  62. If Bibi wants to play hardball, it’s time for Obama to play that game the way he plays it with states in our union.

    You either do WTF Obama says or you get no $$$$$$$$$$$$.

    Let Israel pay its own damn way if it wants to do its own damn thing.

  63. Let Israel pay its own damn way if it wants to do its own damn thing.

    Considering the dire economic straits we are in, that is a pretty good policy for all the countries we give billions to. (Are you listening Pakistan?)

  64. R –
    I know this is a little bit of propaganda, but I think it pretty well sums up my feeling about the difference between the Israelis and the Palestinians, including the Dr’s wife in my hometown who danced around the YMCA laughing and cheering as the towers fell – that is until my lawyer friend Mark tried to tear her head off her shoulders and she fled in a blind panic, screaming for her life.

    Yep, I know the Palestinians were there first. My people were in Scotland first. Then in England before the Romans came in. That’s how it goes; the history of man is that of conquest. But I’m talking about now and the difference between a group that on a percentage basis accomplishes more than any other in the world and a second that does little but kill others and worship a violent god. I don’t have any question which side my bread’s buttered on.

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  65. We did let Hugo Chavez talk “shit” about our leader and Rutherford laughed. But the analogy of Venezuela vis-a-vis Israel is specious as hell. The disingenuous bullshit I’ve come to expect here when the discussion centers around Israel.

    Matter of fact, I celebrate Netanyahu taking Obama to task. I would have told Zero to kiss my ass. I don’t think you understand Huck exactly what Israel does for us – and we can start with the software development of some of our most sophisticated military technology. Benjamin paved the way of how all Americans who don’t approve of Zero or his policies should act toward the schmuck. Take that to heart, as It will put Zero to the curb in a year and a half, where the asshole so richly deserves to be frogmarched to the curb handcuffed with his phony, pretentious, money grubbing wife.

    However Huck, I’m wondering if you would have a problem with Felipe de Jesus Calderon coming over and talking about promises of sealing our borders if we would give back California and Texas to Mexico? We give a lot more than 1.8 billion to Mexico. Because frankly, that’s what Zero is asking Israel to do – only unlike dollars, Israel pays in blood.

  66. Why Pfesser. Don’t you know that truth won’t score any points with the Israeli hating crowd here? Huck is normally a very reasonable man – even quite insightful on occasion. Why he doesn’t get this one, even from the secular point such as yourself, is one I still haven’t quite figured out.

    But thanks for providing that commentary. I had heard that story before, but never seen the video.

  67. “However Huck, I’m wondering if you would have a problem with Felipe de Jesus Calderon coming over and talking about promises of sealing our borders if we would give back California and Texas to Mexico?”

    I do have a problem with it. And with Hugo coming to the UN and doing it. And Dinnerjacket coming over and doing it. And any other world leader coming over here and doing it.

    I didn’t like when they came over here trashing Bush in our own home, and I don’t like it when they come over and do it to Obama in our own home.

    If people want to talk shit…they can do it from their own podium.

    “I don’t think you understand Huck exactly what Israel does for us”

    I don’t think you understand how much money and other aid we give to Israel, and how 1-sided our relationship is. Nor do I think you understand how much power and influence this foreign country has over the foreign..and even domestic…policies of our own country.

    Frankly, I am sick and tired of shit being dictated to us by a foreign country who needs us more than we need it. Either do what we say or pay your own way in the world. It is really that simple. I tell my adult kids who still live at home the same thing.

    “We give a lot more than 1.8 billion to Mexico.”

    Israel receives the most US foreign aid than any other country on the face of this earth.

  68. “But I’m talking about now and the difference between a group that on a percentage basis accomplishes more than any other in the world and a second that does little but kill others and worship a violent god”

    Sorry to have to be the one to inform you that there are Christian Palestinians, too. A lot of them, in fact.

    And ask yourself…how much would Israel accomplish if it didn’t have us as its Sugar Daddy and if it didn’t have to live under oppressive occupation.

    You cannot hope to compare Israelis and Palestinians until they are both given a level playing field.

  69. And just so I officially say it….I don’t think Obama had any business telling Israel where to make its borders, or where to make the baseline from where its borders should be negotiated.

    I do think he has the right to tell Israel to stop building settlements, because we give it money they can use to build them.

    But the actual borders are none of his/our business.

  70. Gorilla, that video about the former NAACP leader was excellent. Again, you scored A++.

    You know, I used to come in here thinking Rutherford was pretty damn intelligent. That if someone presented a reasoned presentation with facts, Rutherford would give consideration to a different point of view, maybe even determine there is a better way, and the crap he’s swallowed is just that. Those days are long gone.

    The last two years, I have become convinced Rutherford doesn’t know how to be anything but a rube of the victim state, used by white liberals as house boy; doesn’t even recognize they are using him and millions like him. Every once in awhile, Rutherford will revert back to the liberal I used to know before Obama failed, like he did at Fat Grannies a few months back. Reasoned, intelligent, rational…quite good in fact.

    “R”‘s writing skills have never diminished. But his logic has…
    Rutherford is incapable of distinguishing friend and foe.

  71. “Sorry to have to be the one to inform you that there are Christian Palestinians, too. A lot of them, in fact.”

    Unrelated. Jews are not christian, and religion is not what causes the difference IMHO anyway.

    “And ask yourself…how much would Israel accomplish if it didn’t have us as its Sugar Daddy and if it didn’t have to live under oppressive occupation.

    You cannot hope to compare Israelis and Palestinians until they are both given a level playing field.”

    OK – how about America? They have a wide-open field here. Compare their accomplishments in this country. Compare the Jews worldwide with ANY group.

    You have to just say it. The Jews are smart, and always have been. They are talented in any field you want to name, from music to physics. The Bell Curve says it plainly: The average Caucasian has an IQ of abt. 100, The average Chinese in America, 105. The average American black 85. The average Jew 118. And IQ is an intrinsic measurement, not one reflective of schooling. It’s just how it is; not all dogs have the same smarts.

  72. No Huck, on this one you are wrong. I willingly admit my love for Israel may color commentary, but my rational has litle or nothing to do with religion.

    I don’t think you understand how much money and other aid we give to Israel, and how 1-sided our relationship is.

    Quite the contrary, our investment is peanuts compared to what Israel provides to us in the way of technology and information. I worked for McDonnell Douglas many moons ago and witnessed first hand what Israel did with our F-15 Strike Eagle. We sold them to Israel, they modified the electronics, conformal tank structure and design, and they in turn handed it back to us better which they shared without charge. What exactly are we paying Pakistan to provide to us besides access to fly our cargo to Afghanistan and keep the crazies in check so don’t launch nukes toward us?

    Nor do I think you understand how much power and influence this foreign country has over the foreign..and even domestic…policies of our own country.

    Those liberal Jews are not pro Israel Huck – and that is approximately 77% of the Jews in the U.S. Almost all Jewish Congressmen and women are registered Democrat. Yes, Jews do have a disproportionate share of influence here – most of it liberal and most of it bad – but it has little if anything to do with the protection of Israel. There are two groups of Jews and you should learn to distinguish between them – because they are no more alike than you and Rutherford are alike.

    Israel receives the most US foreign aid than any other country on the face of this earth.

    No, we give the lion’s share of aid to Iraq and Afghanistan. We give Israel little or nothing in the way of foreign aid and about $2 billion per year for military aid. We give the Sudan and Russia approximately half of what we give Israel. What exactly did we get for our $15 billion gift to Africa during the Bush Administration, besides the humanitarian feel good? What do we get for our $3billion to Pakistan per year? Access?

    You single out Israel for aid, yet best I can tell they are the only one returning something of value in the exchange. Seems to me they should be last on your list of grievances.

  73. R –
    This is an oldie, but I think it does a great job. Apologize for its length.

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    This is one of the best explanation of the Muslim  terrorist situation I have ever read. His references to past history are  accurate and clear. Not long, easy to  understand, and well worth the read. The author of this email is said to be Dr. Emanuel Tanay,  a well known and well respected psychiatrist.

    A man, whose  family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When  asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can  guide our attitude toward fanaticism. ‘Very few people were true  Nazis,’ he said, ‘but many enjoyed the return of German pride,  and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought  the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let  it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had  lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost  everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my  factories.’

    We are told again and again by ‘experts’ and ‘talking heads’ that Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast  majority of Muslimsjust want to live in peace.  Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless  fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectre of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of  Islam.

    The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in  history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage  any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who  systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa  and are gradually taking over the  entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honor-kill.  It is thefanatics who take over mosque  after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape  victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics  who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.

    The hard quantifiable  fact is that the peaceful majority, the ‘silent majority,’ is cowed and extraneous. Communist Russia  was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the  Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million  people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.

    China’s huge  population was peaceful as well, but Chinese  Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million  people.

    The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not  a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and  slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an  orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians;  most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet.

    And, who can forget  Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were ‘peace  loving’?

    History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for  all our powers of reason we often miss the most basic and  uncomplicated of points: Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant  by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if  they don’t speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they  will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end  of their world will have begun. Peace-loving  Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians,  Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died  because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too  late.

    As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the  only group that counts; the fanatics who threaten our way  of life.

  74. “our investment is peanuts compared to what Israel provides to us in the way of technology and information.”

    We’ve already had this discussion and I think we decided to agree to disagree because neither one of us was able to provide sufficient evidence to sway the other.

    “Unrelated. Jews are not christian, and religion is not what causes the difference IMHO anyway.”

    Then why did you bother with this….?

    “…a second that does little but kill others and worship a violent god”

    Do you think Christians pray to a violent god or do you need to acknowledge that not all Palestinians are Muslim, as your comment suggests you believe?

    “Compare their accomplishments in this country.”

    Did you miss the part where I mentioned Israeli influence over our domestic polices? Again..level the playing field and then make your comparisons.

    “The Jews are smart, and always have been.”

    I never claimed different. All I am pointing out is that Palestinians might also be smart if they were given the chance. And since they have never really been given that chance, you can hardly say I am wrong.

    “What exactly are we paying Pakistan to provide to us besides access to fly our cargo to Afghanistan and keep the crazies in check so don’t launch nukes toward us?”

    What, indeed? If you ask me, everyone can kiss off. Until we get our own finances in shape, the world can pay its own way. So don’t for a minute think I am singling anyone out.

    And I’m not sure how liberal AIPAC is. But try and get yourself elected leader of this country unless you pucker up and kiss its ass.

  75. Come on R, you have to admit- that video of Obama’s car getting stuck exemplifies this administration.

  76. Lovely. Humanitarians indeed. Google USS Liberty, Jonathan Pollard, 9/11 – Israel connection, or how about this…

  77. Priceless! If Bush did this, we’d hear no end to it. However, since pResident Obama, well, now he’s a time traveler…

    This is how President Obama signed the guestbook at Westminster Abbey earlier today, where he got a tour from the Very Reverend Dr. John Hall and laid a wreath on the Grave of the Unknown Warrior.

    It is a great privilege to commemorate our common heritage, and common sacrifice.

    Barack Obama

    24 May 2008

    It was really nice until he got the date wrong by three years. Granted, 2008 was a great year for him, and we might try to live it for as long as possible, too, if we were him. Also, though, he may have had a stroke.

  78. R, glad you have some doubts about the science underpinning my “EPA spiel” (or whatever your pejorative nomenclature was). I assume you will have problems with Obama’s attempts to impose economic death sentences on American business through bullshit carbon emission regulation. 🙄

    Gentlemen, I’m going to leave it with you for a while. This blog needs an enema. Although Tex’s reemergence seems to be the only thing capable of drawing Rutherford into his own topics of discussion, I hope you can turn things around.

  79. Really, BiC? That’s the best you’ve got? Stereotyping?

    Like I said to PF, you ARE aware that not every Palestinian is a Muslim, right? Some of them are even Christians. Are they murderers, too?

  80. Huck. Surely you don’t think you will change any minds here. Christianity is the only one true religion. And you know that because…well because…Chrisitans say so.
    Just a point to Gorilla… the President was not in that particular car. I thought you had pride in being logical and accurate. Of course you aren’t, but you at least try to be, I assume. Unless it’s more fun not to be.

  81. Fake, why don’t you show us your bravery and simply call Christianity false and Jesus Christ a liar? Why the need to beat around the bush. Show some much needed spunk and a backbone and say what needs to be said for the record.

    Well because……….Jesus Christ was either a lunatic or liar. Otherwise, it’s because of Jesus Christ we know it to be true.

    Like that Grandma you say you loved. She was a Christian, and therefore also a fool.

    I mean, only a pure “intellect” like you could possibly discern truth.

  82. And by the way “intellectual” libbies, you pathetic bunch of bleating sheep like the incomparably lame spinster Fake.

    Netanyahu has absolutely schooled your worthless, wannabee, teleprompting, ‘Irish’ messiah this week. Sit and marvel at real intellect you’re completely incapable of understanding. Let the standing ovations clue you in when you’re confused. Twelve standing ovations today in addressing the American politic.

    Here, you dumbasses mock the Creator of the Universe and clap for Zero. 🙄 You make radical jihadi types look bright.

  83. And Rutherford, I am glad you sold your house. Smart move, as it will continue to depreciate in the rotten Bomba economy. Hopefully, it’s a new start for you and your new wife. Seriously. A home is a pain in the ass I’ve decided.

    Here’s some good advice – don’t move to Texas. You won’t like it and they won’t like you. And down in Texas, they don’t take kindly to loudmouthed Yankees, and damn near everyone knows how to use a gun – including the women 🙂

    You would walk around with a perpetual boner, though. Best looking women in the entire world. Don’t believe me, fly into DFW and view the merchandise.

  84. Hopefully, it’s a new start for you and your new wife.

    Dag Tex, I’m dumping the house, not the wife. I’m keeping the old wife. (Or should I say, she’s keeping me) 😉 But thanks for your good thoughts just the same.

    As for Texas, the only place I was considering was the creamy liberal middle of TX known as Austin … a town you wouldn’t be caught dead in. I’ve been to both Dallas and Austin and while I enjoyed both places I don’t recall the women being any prettier than anywhere else in the country.

    Don’t worry, all politics and culture aside, we’ve pretty much settled on Illinois where my wife is from. That way at least one of us will be in familiar territory. We’re thinking Naperville, a suburb of Chicago …. yeah that city Obama was from. 😆

  85. And Chrysler paid off their government loan today, six years early. This is a great country, a company was spared and jobs were saved, thank you President Obama, for believing in America.

  86. This is a great country, a company was spared and jobs were saved, thank you President Obama, for believing in America.

    Another typical moronic statement by the new Fat Grannies queen of idiocy. Ask the Chrysler bond holders what they think of Zero’s business plan. Or have you conveniently forgotten that Puppet?

  87. Rutherford? Naperville? ** GUFFAW ** Been there, done that. Another depressed Illinois avenue and eyesore. I wouldn’t buy a house if I were you – and that advice was serious.

    You do realize the state of Illinois, even with all of the favorable gifting from Zero is in very serious trouble, don’t you?

    Caterpillar moves from Illinois after the huge tax increase like they’re threatening, and you can kiss that state goodbye. 🙂

  88. It must have worked just fine for them Tex, the government is out of the decision making for Chrysler. What part of paid off in full, don’t you get?

  89. Puppet, you are stupid. I mean stupid. If you consider being paid 29 cents on the dollar paid in full, you’re even dumber than I thought. This so called “payback” is a “payback” like GM’s loans – the U.S. citizen is still out over $45billion while GM claims to have “paid in full.”

    But you were and are a fabulous fit for Fat Grannies…a liar, a rank propagandist, and a rube.

  90. Rutherford, you don’t know shit about Texas. 🙄 Stick with something in the Yankee corridor.

    Austin? ** GUFFAW ** You couldn’t anymore afford to live in the Hill Country than I could afford to live on Fifth Avenue. Anywhere else, and you’ll think you’re living in El Paso. Austin is a sweet city to visit; great music, pretty river, most beautiful capital in America, power university.

    Several friends there and I’ve been there dozens of times. But not anywhere near what it was 20 years ago. Like everything liberals touch, the town is slowly turning to shit. Trust me.

    Move to Texas, move to the Woodlands, or Plano, or Grapevine, or Katy, or Tyler (east Texas is beautiful) or even Denton. But Austin? 😆 Good luck panhandling on 6th Street.

  91. Jealous of Obama? HAW HAW HAW! Not hardly – I think he’s a really sick joke, like I think you’re an ignorant joke.

    However, your selective memory and duplicity does piss me off. I’m tired of lying propagandists like you, who continue to damage this country, possibly irreparably. Some old hag like you may not suffer the consequences, but your children certainly will.

    That will be your legacy…

  92. Rutherford, I can afford to live in Paris, London and Manhattan (Harlem). If I allocated my entire 401K, I might even be able to afford to live with the stars of Hollywood with a large down payment for a time.

    Then I’d be broke. Not to point out the obvious, but this is exactly how millions got themselves in trouble in the first place. Trying to live much larger than they can truly afford.

    The fact that you choose to allocate 70% of your income towards a house payment doesn’t mean you can afford it.

  93. The fact that you choose to allocate 70% of your income towards a house payment doesn’t mean you can afford it.

    I could not agree with you more. In fact, Tex, since you know my history pretty well on this score, you know I learned the hard way about stretching to pay a mortgage.

    I should have said, we could live fairly comfortably in Austin. It wouldn’t be the grandest place in the world but it would do. Same with Illinois. We plan to downsize from more than 3000 square feet to probably about 1600 or so in an apartment in an area we feel comfortable in … so no, the answer to your next question is we are not moving to the Naperville projects or ghetto (not sure there is such a thing).

    Wups … I forgot … all of Illinois is a ghetto. 😉

  94. By the way. one thing I figured out looking at my neighbors — but for the ones who have retired who have made this their retirement home, everyone else is one layoff from the same predicament I found myself in. When I think back on stories of some of my neighbors pinching pennies, I realized a whole lot here bought the most they could possibly afford … and I have no doubt devote about 60% of their income to mortgage payments,

    I don’t know enough to say this is an American disease. Probably so.

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