Justice for Thousands of American Families

Last night at 11:30pm Eastern time, President Barack H. Obama announced that almost ten years after al Qaeda attacked the United States, its leader Osama bin Laden had been located and killed. There will be much time and many blog posts for analyzing the consequences of this act but for today I wanted to highlight the positive.

When we count the folks killed in the Twin Towers, the Pentagon, the four hijacked airliners and the still ongoing war in Afghanistan that followed we are looking at thousands of families who have suffered an unspeakable loss. While it is true that many al Qaeda operatives have been captured or killed since September 11,  2001, none of them carried the symbolic impact of Osama bin Laden. No matter what successes we might have achieved over the years, there was always this nagging feeling that the man most responsible for our misery got away with murder. With bin Laden’s death, this contingent of the perpetually mourning may finally reach some sense of closure. For the war widows and children, there may now be some sense that their loved one did not die in vain.

On my Internet radio show last night I wondered aloud what this might mean for the Bush legacy. After a night’s reflection and some reporting from the Washington Post’s David Ignatius, at least for now I come to a positive conclusion. First, Ignatius reports that the intelligence that put us on the labyrinthine trail to Osama was first obtained by the Bush administration between 2002 and 2004. So on a very practical level, bringing bin Laden to justice was an accomplishment for both Bush and Obama.

On a more emotional note, as I watched the coverage last night, I could not help but remember Bush in the immediate aftermath of the 9/11 tragedy promising that justice would be done.

Last night, Obama and our courageous Navy SEALs delivered justice not only for the thousands of grieving but also for the man who was our leader at the time of the attacks. If I allow my mind to go bipartisan for a moment, I can picture Barack’s phone conversation with Bush last night going something like this:

George, this is Barack.  Osama bin Laden is dead. You can rest easy now. Your work is done and your goal was accomplished.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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483 thoughts on “Justice for Thousands of American Families

  1. It’s gonna be fun when AQ starts making tapes with his body doubles and saying he isn’t dead.

    And since we don’t have any proof to the contrary…….

  2. Kabuki, baby. This is purely politically motivated. DNA results almost immediately. 🙄 No body around to provide proof. 😆 Storyline consistent in all the media reports…

    This is Hollywood, boys and girls. Welcome to Fantasy Island…

  3. Rutherford, I just learned this morning about Bin Laden. So I haven’t digested nor read a whole lot. But I did see that you insist we praise Obama. In all seriousness, did he have any (meaningful) options other than to green-light?

  4. I do have a question for Gorilla if he visits this thread today. I don’t want to feed the “deather” conspiracy but I am curious about the DNA results. In a normal criminal prosecution doesn’t DNA identification take weeks, not hours? Just askin’.

    P.S. BiW or Tigre, feel free to pipe in on the civilian DNA result area … am I right about the usual time lag?

  5. Huck, I think AQ would get more righteous outrage out of accepting his death as a fact rather than faking that he is still alive. OBL is of greater use to them now as a martyr than as a living leader.

  6. “Tigre, if Bush had given the order, you would’ve praised Bush. Fair is fair.”

    And if Bush had come on the TV a couple weeks after announcing his re-election effort saying “we killed OBL” and didn’t offer a single shred of proof, you’d be on Twitter calling him a liar. Fair is fair.

  7. “OBL is of greater use to them now as a martyr than as a living leader.”

    There is a point to that.

    Alternatively, why wouldn’t they kill him and blame us if he had more worth to them as a martyr?

  8. Tigre, if Bush had given the order, you would’ve praised Bush. Fair is fair.

    Bush never treated the people who had to actually do the heavy lifting with distain, nor did he ever give us reason to question his committment to fighting the real war we are in.

  9. “Tigre, if Bush had given the order, you would’ve praised Bush. Fair is fair.”

    Huh? I wouldn’t have needed or requested it.

  10. If Obama gets kudos for green-lighting this operation, Bush gets kudos for waterboarding the information out of KSM.

    Obama acted on information he gained by a method he spoke out against….lol.

  11. Didn’t it take a week for the DNA results to confirm?

    I just heard that one of his wives ID’d him by name during the raid.

  12. I don’t know about how long DNA testing takes. HOwever, I believe the delays have to do with priorities, not the length of time to perform the actual tests and derive conclusions. I have never had one done in weeks either. It usually takes months (always paternity, maternity or lineal descendants).

  13. “I just heard that one of his wives ID’d him by name during the raid.”

    My bullshit meter is redlining today.

    We’re supposed to believe that 1 of his wives gave him up? He was compared to photos afterward. And a rush-job DNA test proves it all before his body was dumped into the ocean, never to be seen again.

    Really?…..

    Really?…..

  14. I don’t know about how long DNA testing takes. HOwever, I believe the delays have to do with priorities, not the length of time to perform the actual tests and derive conclusions. I have never had one done in weeks either. It usually takes months (always paternity, maternity or lineal descendants).

    On of the Seal Team members gets the DNA swab, they send it to Abby Scuitto at the NCIS lab at the Nave Yard, and she confirms in minutes. It’s science!

    Seriously, I’m betting they had whatever resources they needed at their disposal on this…

  15. Huck, I hope they’re water boarding the fuck out of the guy, then stuff bacon in his mouth and throw him overboard once tissue samples are taken and DNA tests completed.

  16. What’s to say AQ aren’t the liars here?

    So someone pulled a trigger and smelled gunpowder afterward? Other than a rushed DNA test (which could also be BS) who says it was OBL they shot?

    Obama wouldn’t have so many conspiracies around him if he handled shit properly. Secrets and lack of information breed conspiracy theories. That goes double for a chump who promised complete transparency.

  17. “Seriously, I’m betting they had whatever resources they needed at their disposal on this…”

    That was my point.

  18. What’s to say AQ aren’t the liars here?

    Because it fits the current dialog for them to be credible. AQ has always been manufactured as have their story lines…

  19. but I am curious about the DNA results. In a normal criminal prosecution doesn’t DNA identification take weeks, not hours? Just askin’.

    Depends on the quality of the test, the controls in place, and the desired accuracy.

    If you want full proof accuracy utilizing the scientific methods – and knowing what I do about how the procedures are conducted: 48-72 hours at least.

  20. Rutherford is trying his damnedest to make this about Obama’s braveness. 😆 Where and how?. Obama is trying to make himself out the hero too. “I ordered…”, “I gave…”

    Between this and Obama’s predilection to blame others, there is no need to argue the differences between the character of the Obama the Narcissist and Bush the Patriot.

    Obama can’t even bring himself to use the terms “terrorism”, “radical Islam”, “war on terror”, We get terms like “Leading from Behind” and “Kenetic military action” and “man caused disaster.”

    This regime is a joke. That they got Bin Laden is serendipity, great intel from GITMO before Obama was a candidate, and a military that is spectacular not because of him, but in spite of him.

    And if I’m wrong Rutherford, let’s push for the 2012 election to be decided by only the military vote and see where the results fall, hey?

    You’ll note that Rutherford has grown strangely silent in his “profound sadness” about the number of innocent civilizations and “those young families” dying in far greater numbers in the only “just war” since Obama took the helm.

    Talk about rank hypocrisy and double standards in application.

    Don’t be fooled. The first thing that ran through Rutherford’s head last night wasn’t “Good, we got the son of a bitch.”

    It was “how much of a bump in the polls will this get Obama?” and “Can it win Obama the election.”

  21. Tex. There is no need for foolproof accuracy. We (read: Obama) now have our “mission accomplished” moment, and that’s all that really matters.

  22. Tex. There is no need for foolproof accuracy. We (read: Obama) now have our “mission accomplished” moment, and that’s all that really matters.

    Oh, absolutely Huck. Obama’s Precious Moment moment – brave cherub that he is.

    Now, does that mean Huck we sit out here and the first thing that goes wrong – say there is an incident of “man caused disaster” perpetrated by “kinetic military action” screaming “allahu akbar.”…

    …we can demonstrate our “patriotic dissent” without argument?

  23. “Now, does that mean Huck we sit out here and the first thing that goes wrong – say there is an incident of “man caused disaster” perpetrated by “kinetic military action” screaming “allahu akbar.”…

    …we can demonstrate our “patriotic dissent” without argument?”

    I suspect what it means is that, since the mission is now accomplished, we can start to ease out of Afghanistan. Just in time for Barry to brag that up before the election.

  24. Rutherford, shouldn’t you be in mourning?
    After all, Osama and Obama have an identical agenda, which is to destroy the United States.
    Admit it, Bin Laden is a hero of yours.

  25. No Dick,

    I think what Rutherford is indirectly trying to deconstruct and hasn’t yet brought himself to admit, a common malady around here amongst the liberal type, is that if anything has been proven true, it’s this.

    Water boarding as an excellent interrogation tool that has now been validated beyond a shadow of a doubt, and GITMO a first class holding cell to interrogate jihadists.

    That admission has got to burn.

  26. No props to Obama until someone tells me why he made some kind of a courageous or difficult decision. — Tigre

    This comment from the prior thread. Sometimes I really feel like I’m talking with children.

    Do you think the decision to get bin Laden was a boolean one? It wasn’t.

    1. How likely is it the dude is really bin Laden?
    2. Do we bomb or go in on the ground?
    3. Do we work with Pakistan or go solo?

    These are just three questions I’ve got from watching the news. If I were a military strategist, I’d have a lot more. Obama had to be presented with all these possibilities and recommendations and then make a decision. This could have gone down well (apparently it did) or it could have been another Bay of Pigs. It would have rested on Obama regardless.

    Put aside the Obama-hate and use your thinking cap for once. 👿

  27. By the way, Muffy got her wish … Osama was shot in the left eye. I’ve also heard he was shot twice to be sure he was dead.

    Homeland security dude Brennan just held a Press Conference and said one thing I found evasive and bullsh*t. He claimed there was a contingency for taking bin Laden alive. I’ve heard other reports it was a kill mission. I believe the latter. Why is Brennan pissing on my head and telling me it’s raining?

  28. Obama acted on information he gained by a method he spoke out against….lol.

    Read the damn article again. I said as much … of course without dropping the obligatory conservative sh*t on Obama’s head.

  29. My bullshit meter is redlining today.

    Huck, my “deather” friend, it was just reported in a presser that the woman killed in the raid was likely Osama’s wife. How do you know she didn’t yell “Sheeeeite Osama let me go, they’re gonna shoot me.”

  30. Obama deserves credit for ultimately going with a SEAL team instead of bombing the compound. It was a gutsy move and the right one.

    Its becoming apparent that a ton of the intel for this success was obtained by Polish and Romanian “interrogation” sites, as well has KSM water boarding.

    Bush deserves credit for this.

    As far as disposing the body, as much as guys like me would love to defecate on the stink beard, taking the high road is the way to go.

    Guys like Poolman, enemies of the state, would cook up conspiracies no matter what.

    We have the pics. We have the DNA. What more do you guys want, Weekend at Berny’s III?

  31. ” How do you know she didn’t yell “Sheeeeite Osama let me go, they”-R

    Uh. Duh. She was Suni. She would never call Osama that.

  32. “Read the damn article again. I said as much…”

    Here is what you said…

    “First, Ignatius reports that the intelligence that put us on the labyrinthine trail to Osama was first obtained by the Bush administration between 2002 and 2004.”

    Feel free to point out the exact quote where you mention waterboarding. Feel free to point out when Ignatius says it.

    MSNBC makes a big deal about intel received in 2004 helped lead them to him. You concede the same. But neither of you make mention to HOW it was gained.

    So go ahead and say it. Waterboarding is an effective form of interrogation and it produces intelligence that is worth acting upon.

    I wonder what kind of intel we are missing out on since Obama doesn’t want to pour water over the face of terrorists.

  33. So our proof is:

    1) 1 of his wives said it was him. (of course, she is now dead, so who knows what she really said)

    2) A DNA test (that was done so fast that it could only be the basic type of test that couldn’t even manage to get OJ Simpson convicted)

    3) photo recognition (of a guy with half his face blown away)

    4) a corpse (ooops. I forgot, we don’t have that as proof)

    5) Obama said so. Now shut up you conspiracy theorist.

  34. @Huck

    What’s to say AQ aren’t the liars here?

    So someone pulled a trigger and smelled gunpowder afterward? Other than a rushed DNA test (which could also be BS) who says it was OBL they shot?

    This must give our Navy SEALS out of JSOC a warm fuzzy knowing that Huck is behind them 100%. Considered to be the most elite warriors in the US national security arsenal, I’m sure they feel like they let Huck down when they screwed the pooch and totally fucked this mission up and bagged the wrong guy. Funny how a unit who’s business is killing Al Qaeda could have gotten this so wrong.

    Huck, I think you should write to America’s all-star JSOC team made up of the Army’s Delta Force, SEAL Team Six, Army Rangers and the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment and give them a piece of your mind. Tell them how disappointed you are in them.

  35. “Put aside the Obama-hate and use your thinking cap for once.”

    Obama is a hero because this could’ve been a Bay of Pigs, and you tell me to put on thinking cap? Yeah, rather than bomb him maybe with a drone, we sent in a SEAL team. The success of this mission belongs to those that executed it from what I see. The method of killing the guy merely presented options. The fact that it wasn’t a disaster doesn’t Obama the hero you would like. If it did, President Carter was hero for the failed hostage extraction too.

    “Obama had to be presented with all these possibilities and recommendations and then make a decision.”

    Or do nothing?

    Put your thinking cap on Rutherford.

  36. HIs wife said it was Osama – or something like that. 🙂

    I understand dumping his ass at sea – great idea, though the DNA is suspect IMO. You simply can’t run a confirmation that quickly and repeat the result for observation. You might get a good guess, but 99.9% accuracy? No way. The more I though about the steps required, the more I’m calling bullshit on the confirmation of the DNA results. The electrophoresis alone takes a few hours to separate strands.

    What does piss me off is acquiescing to the 24 hour period of burial. Screw um’. We can dump the body when we are good and ready – put that bastard on ice and bring him over here for us “examine.”

    Now can we work on eliminating our yearly donation to people that hate us now? I know how to teach Pakistan a lesson in humility. Give the money we give now to Pakistan to India. 😈

    That would chap some radical jihadi ass.

    “R” as usual avoided my questions. Nothing new…

  37. Well Curator, are you a “master” at something now? It’s been awhile since you graced us with your presence.

  38. “This must give our Navy SEALS out of JSOC a warm fuzzy knowing that Huck is behind them 100%.”

    Because the military is beyond error. It is completely impossible that who they shot was one of the many body doubles that we KNOW he had.

    After all, it looked like OBL. At least what was left of his face did. And a woman that is now dead said so. And then there is the DNA tests that, like I said, couldn’t even convict OJ.

    I know it would make you feel better to say I am suggesting that Navy Seals are liars or dumbasses. After all, that is the same kind of tactics you and yours used against past military leaders. But that isn’t what I have done, and you know that.

    And now that you have returned to the fray, feel free to comment on how wrong you were in the past regarding the effectiveness of waterboarding.

  39. @Tex

    School was fun.

    As for GITMO and torture. I would hope an official would go on record and verify. Perhaps they could at least clarify the methods used to obtain the information–because in spite of many of the claims being made in these comments and throughout the blogosphere, I don’t see any official account saying that the information about the courier came from “enhanced interrogation techniques” at GITMO during the Bush administration. It’d be far more believable if someone would speak on the record, and end the speculation and guesswork. As far as I know the courier’s nickname was given by KSM probably under torture at a blacksite in Europe. Four years ago, we uncovered his identity, about two years ago we uncovered the area in Pakistan were the courier and his brother operated.

    But if you want to cheerlead for GITMO…go right ahead. While your at it you can come up with the GOP election slogan for 2012. GOP – Torture Works, Its the American Way!!

    Good luck with that.

  40. And allow me to repeat myself. Ultimately, I do believe that Osama was killed and that we did it when we say we did it. None of that is really the point I am trying to make.

    All I am asking is that Barack Obama be given the same kind of scrutiny that would be given to George Bush under the same circumstances. I am asking for people to use an ounce of critical thinking, and not just go with the flow because it gives us all a warm, fuzzy or because we don’t want to be labeled as conspiracy nuts.

    And I don’t think that is too much to ask.

  41. That’s right Curator – enlighten us on how torture doesn’t work.

    Navy seals aren’t the talking heads on TV.

    And since you’ve been gone conveniently for quite some time now, before you address that, why don’t you tell me again how Conservatism is dead?

    Too bad you didn’t stick around for the election last fall. You’d have been eating a log of shit a mile long.

    But I did peruse your untraveled blog, and noticed my dear pal Rutherford had lied through his teeth to you on April 12th. He’s been corrected numerous times about that very subject, but out of sight, out of mind I guess.

    Rutherford, I’m beginning to question your honesty pal… Lord only knows what you post on these libbie boards more frequently posted to.

  42. “I would hope an official would go on record and verify. ”

    So you need verification on how intelligence was gathered, but you don’t need verification on what that intelligence was ultimately used for?

    And how about that chicken-hawk neocon that Obama turned out to be? Any comment on that. Those used to be qualities you were against.

  43. Do we know the difference between DNA matching (also known as genetic fingerprinting) and full DNA sequencing? I don’t…but I do know that sequencing takes weeks, while DNA matching takes hours. If the CIA says it is with 99.9% certainty that the man killed by a shot to the head in a compound in Abbottabad was bin Laden then I don’t see why you guys are going down this road.

  44. “You have pictures of Osama’s face after he was killed?”

    I am going by what has been reported. Supposedly, that is why they don’t want to release the pictures.

    Maybe you have something to refute that?

  45. I’m off to classes and working on midterms. I’ll be back to defend myself later tonight.

  46. But if you want to cheerlead for GITMO…go right ahead. While your at it you can come up with the GOP election slogan for 2012. GOP – Torture Works, Its the American Way!!

    Good luck with that.

    Well, if it works as well as Obama’s Death to America Dimocratic slogan in 2010, probably not. How did you like that historic rout you suffered last November. Now that Wally was what you called ass kicking.

    Were you in mourning for months?

    P.S. –

    Current and former U.S. officials say that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, provided the nom de guerre of one of bin Laden’s most trusted aides. The CIA got similar information from Mohammed’s successor, Abu Faraj al-Libi. Both were subjected to harsh interrogation tactics inside CIA prisons in Poland and Romania.

    So it works in Europe, but it doesn’t work at GITMO?

  47. “If the CIA says it is with 99.9% certainty that the man killed by a shot to the head in a compound in Abbottabad was bin Laden then I don’t see why you guys are going down this road.”

    The CIA said they were certain about Iraq’s WMD, too. Are you going to defend that next?

  48. I’m not doubting the 99.9% accuracy Curator. I’m doubting the timing of the DNA tests. DNA fingerprinting still conducts days to conduct accurately. I’ve done it in a limited form in a lab.

    I’m simply saying the 99.9% statistic certainly isn’t based on a DNA test. It might be based on personal identification, dental records, blood typing, witness, etc…

    But it’s not based on DNA testing if they killed him yesterday.

    My problem is I want to see the pictures for myself – I don’t trust Obama and his minions, and he’s got a sordid record of lying.

  49. Could it be Obama and his supporters, who opposed the secret intelligence operations and interrogations as illegal, now are reaping the political benefits of those operations and interrogations?

    Has everyone been drinking their doofy-juice this morning? What about this did you guys not understand:

    First, Ignatius reports that the intelligence that put us on the labyrinthine trail to Osama was first obtained by the Bush administration between 2002 and 2004. So on a very practical level, bringing bin Laden to justice was an accomplishment for both Bush and Obama.

    Do you folks actually read the damn posts?

    OK … here goes … this is what Tex etal want to hear:

    Yes … I am pissed off that some of the info that led to finding bin Laden was obtained via torture. I’d like to think we could have gotten the info some other way. Does it mean I’m not happy that bin Laden was found? No.

    P.S. After blogging about politics for almost four years, my mind tends to think political before human so yes, my first instincts last night were about what this killing meant for Obama politically. That’s why it is sometimes good to write the post after a good night’s sleep.

  50. But neither of you make mention to HOW it was gained.

    You can smack me but not Ignatius. He DOES say begrudgingly that the info was obtained via “enhanced interrogation techniques”. I can’t swear he said it in the video clip I linked to (I’d need to review it again) but I know he did say it at some point on Morning Joe this morning.

  51. Making progress Rutherford – your honesty is back to close to questionable instead of insultingly and flagrantly dishonest.

    Now, back to my point – you just admitted you put politic before country last night scumbag. 😡 Why not just say, “WE GOT HIM!” That was my first thought before I started reading Lib speak and campaign speeches and it pissed me off.

    Rutherford, when the market collapses, radical Islam hits us again with “kinetic military interaction” causing “mad caused disasters”, Osama will be an afterthought to Obama. People’s attention spans are about 72 hours. You know that. You lost your mind last night because something had finally gone right.

    Let’s just enjoy that Osama is residing in hell – or in your case in null and void. Why does this need to be a campaign speech? Obama has been so bad, the Republicans need only to get a viable candidate to win besides Newt, The Donald, Palin or Bachmann – though all are infinitely smarter than President CORPSES MAN.

  52. Now can we work on eliminating our yearly donation to people that hate us now? I know how to teach Pakistan a lesson in humility. Give the money we give now to Pakistan to India. 😈

    On this I do agree with Tex. I’ve gone on record more than once saying Zardari is a punk. And the old President, Musharraf is more of a punk, publicly denouncing the take-down today.

  53. Shitte…

    DNA fingerprinting still conducts takes days to conduct accurately. I’ve done it in a limited form in a lab.

  54. Huck … I don’t recall you going all conspiracy crazy when we shot the Somali pirates. You bought that story hook line and sinker and I think you even gave Obama a bit of a shout-out at the time. Why the sudden skepticism?

    What’s even odder is you say you DO believe it was Osama and the story is legit so why waste your breath playing devil’s advocate? I might understand you better if you were Poolman who thinks Osama and AQ are creations of the US government. 😉

  55. noticed my dear pal Rutherford had lied through his teeth to you on April 12th.

    Is this the April 12 quote to which you’re referring?

    As I wrestle with the pro-choice/pro-life debate, this kind of hypocrisy on the part of the GOP keeps me pro-choice. They truly don’t give a damn what happens once the baby leaves the womb.

    How is that a lie Tex? I don’t believe the GOP gives a damn postpartum and I’ve said so many times here. It’s one of the reasons I get pissed about the pro-life movement.

  56. Huh? That one went over my head and I speak fluent typo.

    😆

    That wasn’t typo – that was phone call and typing with one hand, doing neither well.

    Now I forgot what I was trying to type. 😳

  57. “WE GOT HIM!” That was my first thought …

    But YOUR problem is that the “WE” did not include Obama. You couldn’t even feel one second of pride in the man as he made the announcement. I bet you came in your pants when George announced “Mission Accomplished’ on that airplane carrier. It’s a disgusting double standard.

  58. They truly don’t give a damn what happens once the baby leaves the womb.

    Really? How many fricking times do I have to provide to you the stats of how bogus that baloney charge is from just the one small crisis pregnancy center I support?

    Last year, they supported not only the babies but the birth mothers of almost 40 toddlers with diapers, cribs, baby food, groceries, etc…

    That’s one crisis pregnancy center. There are hundreds, if not thousands, across this country. And that doesn’t even include church affiliation sponsorship.

    Rutherford, you wouldn’t anymore know about support for neonates and newborns than I would about how many times you and your college roommate frequented bath houses.

    You skunk.

  59. But YOUR problem is that the “WE” did not include Obama.

    Well, it didn’t include my mother, Ronald McDonald or George Bush initially either.

    I was just glad we killed the bastard, until I read your twitter “flutter” and I thought to myself, “these mofos can’t even let go of a campaign to celebrate killing a mass murderer.”

    The lowest of low…. 😡

  60. So tell me Tex, were those pregnancy crisis centers conservative think-tanks? I kinda doubt it.

    Show me GOP funding of stuff that helps fatherless kids and poor mothers. Oh, I forgot …. BiW told me that’s not the government’s job. 😉

  61. Show me GOP funding of stuff that helps fatherless kids and poor mothers. Oh, I forgot …. BiW told me that’s not the government’s job.

    It’s not the FEDERAL government’s job. I could give a shit what your STATE and LOCAL governments do, as long as they don’t expect me to pay for it.

  62. And for the record, this op could not have goner forward without the apoproval of Obama, who knew it would require us to act alone in the borders of another nation (I hesitate to use the word “sovereign” as that implies a degree of control over what occurs within your borders). In otherwords, he had to act KNOWING that there would likely be some fallout. While we could argue the merits of whether he really had a choice, I will go out on a limb and give him the benefit of the doubt that this required more backbone and fortitude than he likes to exhibit, and I will give up a golf clap for his rare decision in favor of American interests.

  63. Is there a thread that gets posted that doesn’t have a reference to abortion? Let’s dig a little more at the root of that one, could we? I say porn is a deeper and more destructive root that helps contribute to the sex slave and abortion industry. Let’s talk about these precious unspoken sins we covet. How about every country we liberate now has free access to porn? No let’s not shine on that. Christian nation, my ass.

    Remember what happened the last time we got the script prematurely read to us. Uhhh, maybe you don’t. Silly me. I keep thinking you people think for yourselves. Here’s a refresher.

    I guess some could consider it a privilege to get handed a program so they knew exactly what to expect and how to react. Follow the script, folks. Then your hands would be soiled. Of course, it’s better if you just react as engineered. You’re supposed to be gung ho Obama, USA, and now on alert, expecting a huge retaliation from the boogeymen real soon. Let’s not disappoint, now. Go out shopping and burn some gas, baby. Gets the best of them enemy combatants everytime. 😀

  64. “I say porn is a deeper and more destructive root that helps contribute to the sex slave and abortion industry.”

    Nonsense. We’ve already been down this road with Reagan and Edwin Meese. After stating flatly that its purpose was to prove porn harmful, the commission’s research showed quite the opposite. Meese said fuck it and published that it was anyway, causing several members of the commission to resign. god only knows the sexual violence that is avoided by the release porn provides.

    “Let’s talk about these precious unspoken sins we covet. How about every country we liberate now has free access to porn?”

    I couldn’t be happier. Maybe those beard-toting bastards can loosen up a little with a little fap-fap-fap.

  65. And how about that chicken-hawk neocon that Obama turned out to be? Any comment on that. Those used to be qualities you were against.

    You refer to Libya I assume? A no-fly zone doesn’t equate to invading and occupying a county (Iraq). Were you against Obama’s decision to support the rebels?

  66. I like Rutherford much more now that I’m in the dark when it comes to his pussy, cowardly drive by tweets that he really doesn’t feel the need to ever defend.

  67. I like Rutherford much more now that I’m in the dark when it comes to his pussy, cowardly drive by tweets that he really doesn’t feel the need to ever defend.

    I’ve always found Rutherford quite likable when you don’t discuss anything important, like politics, philosophy and religion. 🙂

    Unfortunately, about 90% of this board covers just that. So I hate him nine times out of ten.

  68. I just talked to someone I know that lived in Pakistan working for the US Embassy. He had been through Osama’s town many times: Small and full of military elites.

    The implications of this is so great, it scares the shit out of me.

    But don’t worry, only half of Muslim scholars have a problem with killing Osama.

  69. PFesser,

    After stating flatly that its purpose was to prove porn harmful, the commission’s research showed quite the opposite.

    While I don’t agree with Al-Poolman’s ignorant statement, I don’t entirely agree with yours either, though your opinion isn’t ignorant like the Wizard. You can’t tell me you find porn harmless, do you?

    At the very least, porn objectifies women. I don’t need studies to know that, as I know that from personal experience from watching it. I mean, I’m not insinuating that makes all of us potential rapists, as most of us have a modicum of self-control; but able to push the irrational over the edge? I definitely think so.

    It’s kind of like these studies that say smoking weed is harmless. I know better. Several of my frequent flier friends from high school had permanent mood alteration, deficiency in memory, attention disorder, difficulty learning and retrieval function once the weed became habitual. And you can’t tell me you can continually breath any form of smoke into your lungs with scarring bronchial tissue. Anything that alters mood, used habitually will alter brain chemistry.

    Sometimes I think society, to bend the social mores to become more acceptable, actually has to park it’s brain in “P” and begin to lie to itself.

  70. By the way, #89 was a small joke “R” – hate was a joke. Loathe, disdain, reprehensible, repulsive…..maybe. 😉

  71. Watching a little MSNBC. The resident genius, Ed Schultz, is selling the proof of Obama’s God-like abiltites really, really hard. Billy Mays (R.I.P.) would blush. There’s more it being billed. I think the over-the-top sales job on how Obama deserves huge credit is pretty damn telling. There shouldn’t be a need.

  72. “No one’s puppet” (NOP henceforth) thanks for the DNA article link. I do believe I heard somewhere that DNA was obtained from one of bin Laden’s sisters or brothers or perhaps a son. I’m not sure but I think they did have a tissue sample from a relative.

  73. He had been through Osama’s town many times: Small and full of military elites.

    Rabbit, it gets worse. The compound was a couple of blocks from Pakistan’s equivalent to West Point.

    Someone in the Pakistani chain of command’s head should roll over this.

  74. Before I forget … hats off to BiW and Rabbit for giving the President some props on this mission. I don’t expect you guys to drink the koolaid, just to be a bit fair.

  75. I like Rutherford much more now that I’m in the dark when it comes to his pussy, cowardly drive by tweets that he really doesn’t feel the need to ever defend.

    I think old Rabbit has struck upon a great idea. Every now and then we should play Defend the Tweet where you throw one of my tweets in my face and ask me to defend it.

    It has happened on occasion but hey, keep em coming. I do tend to talk more trash on Twitter but I’m more than willing to defend the tweets in this hallowed institution.

  76. “I do not believe cocaine played a significant contributing factor in the death of Mr. Mays as the autopsy specimens and findings are not consistent with the cardiac conditions normally observed in a person chronically using cocaine,” Manion said in his report.

  77. Wups, BiW you got me again …. heart was not consistent with that of a cocaine abuser ….

    but if you read this comment within the next five minutes you’ll learn ….

    his wife said he was a coke-head. 🙂

  78. You people really need to quit sharing poolman’s tuna sandwiches, mercury poisoning is bad for the brain. You know I love you poolman, but really….

    I think you’ve misread that any of us share anything with Al-Poolman. Trust me – even the libs here won’t make that claim. There’s twisted, and then there’s deluded 😈

    But being you’re a Fat Grannies standard fare rube if memory serves and new to the board, let me fill you in on a couple of things Puppet. Not my board; not my rules; based on observations.

    Really bad science, say like Yahoo, doesn’t score big points like it did with the Fat Grannies nags like Aunt Jean, who talks a great game and doesn’t know jack shit. This board is large step up from the daily Sarah Palin Derangement Syndrome article and Obama rim job.

    So let me go easy on this one Puppet. That explanation from Yahoo wouldn’t make high school level science. See this? In the case of bin Laden it would have been very simple to get a large enough sample of quality DNA for a basic identity test.

    Basic identify test? We’re not testing Osama for paternity suit. Sorry Charlie and with respect to your lame attempt at tuna humor, perhaps the tuna smell drifted over from Fat Grannies. I noticed the nasty scent every time I visited there too.

    Understand I am not saying that’s not Bin Laden. I’d like to see his picture for personal satisfaction and the fact I don’t trust El Bongo the President with borrowing a screw driver, much less running the country. And the PC shit of the burial was vacuous. I trust our military enough, not the lying Obama, to be sure enough beyond a reasonable doubt to know Osama is dead.

    But they didn’t confirm the death, contrary to what some boner lib website like Yahoo and AP wish you to believe because it fits with the liberal idiot meme and most rubes wouldn’t no they were having smoke blown up their ass – there was no sophisticated DNA testing….confirmation takes several days, with the test repeated.

    I thought I remember that from molecular biology, and I confirmed that today with textbooks – not Yahoo.

  79. Silver goes down. Buy a month out call with strike at 49. Make double, put stop loss in. Repeat.

    Silver goes down. Buy a month out call with strike at 49. Make double, put stop loss in. Repeat.

    Silver goes down. Buy a month out call with strike at 49. Make double, put stop loss in. Repeat.

    Silver hits 47 tomorrow, I roll the chuck wagon out to July.

    Double down bitchezzzzzzzzzz!

  80. no one’s puppet! I’d recognize that avatar anywhere. These guys don’t get near my tuna sandwiches. As a matter of fact, they usually make me eat at my own table by myself. But the sandwiches aren’t the problem – it’s the water. And these guys don’t know spit about water. Be sure you’re wearing a life preserver if you come swimming in this pool. They don’t always look before they leap. 😉

  81. Was that the “living water” Poolman that we ‘don’t know spit about’? 🙂

    Um, you do recognize that was metaphor from The Word, don’t you?

  82. Tex, how about you don’t get into conspiracy mode, until at least a dozen or so TA’s from a dozen or so University Bio 101 Labs come forward and say, why that is impossible, let alone even one DNA expert. So yes, you do have something in common with poolman, the ability to let your dislike of a President blind you to facts.

  83. “Someone in the Pakistani chain of command’s head should roll over this.”-R

    Some”one”? Dude. This wasn’t a mistake made by some idiot bureaucrat.

    Do you understand the implications of this?

  84. I understand the implications, dead rabbit, I think relations between our two countries are going to get very interesting! Although I must admit, I am not likely to be impartial, if worse comes to worse, I’ll be on Team India.

  85. Puppet,

    until at least a dozen or so TA’s from a dozen or so University Bio 101 Labs come forward and say, why that is impossible, let alone even one DNA expert.

    Here’s the problem as there was virtually every answer I ever read at Tuna’s. Your response is irrelevant to the issue at hand. Osama sits somewhere tonight with abandoned drilling pipe, some glowing antennae on shrimp, and crabs and nibbling him to the bone. That’s a good thing.

    But your worthless article you referenced and had no idea whether it accurate or not as standard fare Fat Grannies, Auntie Jean rube, said the confirmation has already been accomplished and confirmed, with the proviso being “basic.”. And I’m telling you that’s malarkey that wouldn’t pass in a court of law. Get it?

    You can pull out six billion “DNA Experts” to confirm days and weeks from now – but confirmation in this case isn’t future. It’s past.

  86. This was all done with Pakistan’s blessing. Because of the antiAmerican sentiment, the Pakistanis don’t want that publicized. And just because there was a mission doesn’t mean the results were what they tell us they are.

  87. Rabbit, you misunderstand me. I’m not implying Pakistan’s total ignorance of Osama’s residence was innocent. The question is how far up the chain did they willfully harbor a global fugitive? If we can believe Zardari didn’t know about it, then it behooves him to drill down to the highest dude who did know it, and then try him for obstruction of justice.

    But that’s not the way they roll in Pakistan. As I’ve said before, with allies like Pakistan, who needs enemies?

  88. NOP …I’d be on Team India if they weren’t taking all our friggin’ jobs.

    I know Indian outsourcing way better than I’d like to. It’s infuriating.

  89. Okay “R”,

    So you don’t go to bed depressed and upset, I’m ready for my one compliment about Obama.

    He made the right call on both (1) shooting Osama rather than blowing him to hell and (2) bypassing anybody in Pakistan.

    Good call and job well done.

    Now, the rest of the story…

    Obama had nothing to lose and I believe his motivation was political. He’s beat in the election unless he pulls off the spectacular, and will pull out all the stops now. The ground work for this was well in place before Obama was voting present as Senator. The idiot-in-chief tried to shut down all the tools he just used at his disposal, and I think it is now high time to admit you’ve been wrong about Bush in many capacities, including managing the war and gathering the information which led to Osama being dead.

    In every other capacity, Obama has been gutless, appeasing, obsequious, duplicitous and leading from behind – until last night.

    Congratulations…

  90. Like to argue a lot don’t you Tex? Well I’m married, if I really want to argue with someone, I’ve got him, and I’m sure I could find a subject worth my while and gain something while I’m at it. Just saying, you just jumped on the first thing, you could think of discredit the President of the United States. As to rather a small section of DNA is the definative evident of bin Ladin’s death really isn’t the question, now is it? And yes, like yourself, I too would like to see the photos or even the video, but then I’m the gory type. Poolman, will probably let you know sooner or later, I am a skeptic.

  91. You refer to Libya I assume? A no-fly zone doesn’t equate to invading and occupying a county (Iraq). Were you against Obama’s decision to support the rebels?” – Curator

    Yes. Do you know who the rebels are? No one else does, and since we’re finding dead al-Qaida among them, I’d venture to guess that blind support was/is less than wise.

    While you’re pondering the value of unknown allies, why don’t you explain to us why we’re there in the first place. Of what value does Libya play for the U.S.? Why is it in our interest to spend hundreds of millions of dollars in a civil war that has absolutely no affect on us?

    You guys will blindly support whatever adventure Obama wanders down because you’re desperate to show some “national security credentials”. Speaking of which, yes, it was enhanced interrogation techniques that lead to the critical data that allowed us to eventually get to bin Laden. We’ve been working this problem set for many years, meticulously, patiently, constantly. I’ll give Obama credit for the op- it took something to authorize boots on the ground inside Pakistan without Pakistani knowledge or approval. But considering Obama’s hamstringing of U.S. intelligence in interrogating high value targets, this mission was successful inspite of Obama, not because of Obama.

    Bush rightfully deserves credit, as does Obama.

  92. “He made the right call on both (1) shooting Osama rather than blowing him to hell and (2) bypassing anybody in Pakistan.”

    Tex and Gorilla, I am with you. However, to the extent any credit due, Obama and the likes of Rutherford (read: MSNBC) who try to bill this “courageous” decision of doing nothing or accepting a well-laid plan as some kind of mythic achievement, does not overcome his pitiful presidency to date as Rutherford hopes.

    I will not be delivering accolades to someone that is most adept at delivering them to himself; nay, like Rutherford, demanding them. He made an easy call. It was those that put in polace and executed the plan that deserve ALL of the credit that you claim for Obama. It’s another Nobel Prize moment in my book.

    Rutherford, as I said but stated differently before, the fact that you look at what seems a no-brainer as some kind affirmation that Obama is the leader that he has not shown himself to be to date speaks volumes.

    The reason you are trumpeting this as an “Obama” success is because you have nothing else to trumpet and are projecting on him the qualities of a leader that he clearly is not. Don’t you see that your bar is so low that you want us to share your joy in the fact that Obama didn’t screw the pooch then head to the golf course again? Talk about Koolaid. You’re guzzling it.

    And one more defamatory word about Billy Mays and I will hunt you down like Bin Laden and bus’ a cap in yo’ ass before feeding your body to the sharks too. 😈

  93. “You can’t tell me you find porn harmless, do you?

    Is porn 100% lovely and good? I don’t think so. I’ve actually had a little experience in the industry through some friends who make and sell a little porn, and some of those “models” – gals and guys are cracked-out, screwed-up little beasties,but most are pretty normal folks. The site owners are pretty mainstream, most of whom are married couples with children, in my experience. My good friend, CR, actually studied music in Russia on a Fulbright Scholarship and is a Community Chorus director in his little hometown. And in the process is prolly worth about $20M from his site. Good stuff.

    So porn is not perfect, but then again what *is* perfect? And what you are really comparing it to is *no porn,* which I think is far worse. I’ve lived in both worlds. Porn is better.

    While the porn crusaders are pretty unpleasant, OTOH I find people who are relaxed about porn to be pretty normal, and the kinkier someone is, the smarter they usually are and more fun to be around. Just my experience. You can take anything to the extreme, but I have found the anti-porn crusaders to be far and away not only weirder and obnoxious, but in my opinion, a lot more dangerous.

    At the very least, porn objectifies women. ”

    Thank god women are the objects of men’s desires.

  94. The President’s decision says to me that he learns from his mistakes and is motivated to succeed, or at least to avoid failure. I’m not sure he would have made the same decision a year or two ago. I have my doubts about that.

  95. Muffy, while I doubt he was ever motivated to “fail,” what do you believe his decision would’ve been a year or two ago?

  96. Pfesser, no doubt why you would have found Fat Grannies pretty lame, as you seem well enough educated. Nice spelling, correct grammar, fiscally sound, and sometimes interesting read.

    But your twisted sense of morality and awful judgment in values eventually make you no better than the morons that frequented Fat Grannies. Your idea of the social mores reads like Caligula. And whether we are Caligula’s children or Obama’s children, either one eventually is the path to destruction.

    If I take this statement, “I find people who are relaxed about porn to be pretty normal, and the kinkier someone is, the smarter they usually are and more fun to be around. Just my experience.”, then I take it you would nominate Larry Flynt as the smartest guy to lead us to the promised land? No thanks…

    Porn is destructive to women and to a lesser extent men. There’s no way around it. Women take the brunt of the disease, the wear and tear, and are used like chattel by men (and now women) with no respect for females and only to make the quick buck. Women are a product to be consumed, and most those who participate in the porn industry are products of broken homes, drugs or alcohol, and missing, uncaring fathers. Thousands end up strung out and/or dead eventually thrown to the streets. It’s another of the big lies…

    Oh, no doubt porn is titillating – I like looking at naked women as much as the next guy, and am far from a prude. But healthy or an indicator of intellect? Guffaw…

  97. Tigre, over the past few months I’ve come to respect you as a reasoned debater and reasonably fair minded. No condescension intended in that remark.

    BUT

    When it comes to this Osama op, you are coming off as a rank amateur armchair military strategist. I’m dumbfounded at how you have simplified Obama’s decision. I thought I was clear earlier in the thread. This was not simply a go no-go decision. Even BiW, Rabbit and to some extent Gorilla acknowledge that there were variables to this mission that Obama had to sign off on.

    You don’t think it takes balls to fly into a nation without permission, land on private property, and go in and kill the occupants of that property? Let’s be honest … if it were not for the fact we killed Public Enemy #1, what we did sounds downright criminal. Where you get the idea that the decision to do that didn’t involve a few sleepless nights is beyond me. Methinks you’ve watched way too many episodes of “24”.

    P.S. Am I the only one who finds it creepy that Billy Mays is still shown in some commercials? Is there some contractual obligation being fulfilled to his survivors?

  98. Puppet, the misandrist and militant abortionist if I remember right. One of many drones on the Fat Granny board who I grew to disdain.

    Do I like to argue? Sure, especially with nasty acting rubes. Welcome to the game – you’re the perfect fit. I do remember you were one of the really incredibly offensive nags hiding behind the Fat Granny ‘skirts’ of blog moderation. I’m so delighted you’re here.

    I don’t need to dream up anything to discredit Obama. His record and megalomania are more than enough to discredit himself. This is his first notable achievement of which you groupies and rubes are trying desperately to salvage the egotistical schmuck as hero and scholar.

    Jimmy Carter, best case scenario. Wait and watch later this year.

  99. But considering Obama’s hamstringing of U.S. intelligence in interrogating high value targets, this mission was successful inspite of Obama, not because of Obama.

    So what is the implication G? You think if Obama had tortured a few more people in 2009, we’d have killed bin Laden sooner?

    If I’m not mistaken, “enhanced interrogation” actually stopped during the Bush administration although never condemned. Maybe it was your buddy George who should’ve tortured more folks to find bin Laden? Then again, hard to focus on Osama when you’re up to your nose in Iraq. 😐

  100. Tex, you were a big fan of Obama ordering the hit on the Somali pirates so even by your estimation, Osama is not Barack’s first “achievement”.

    In fact, I think I’ve figured out the way for Obama to win you over. He just needs to kill someone you don’t like every 90 days or so. 🙂

  101. “Women take the brunt of the disease, the wear and tear, and are used like chattel by men (and now women) with no respect for females and only to make the quick buck. Women are a product to be consumed, and most those who participate in the porn industry are products of broken homes, drugs or alcohol, and missing, uncaring fathers. Thousands end up strung out and/or dead eventually thrown to the streets.

    Well, that’s certainly the stereotype, isn’t it? Although I don’t have the stats to back it up, my sense (in my limited involvement) is that it just ain’t so. When I was in engineering school I went several years to what we called AdultDex, (in Las Vegas) which overlaps with ComDex, and met a lot of people in the adult industry.

    Although I freely confess it is a limited cohort, I was very much impressed by how, well, NORMAL everyone was. Like the population in general, there are some outliers, but the word gets around who the crackheads are and nobody will fool with them.

    And it seems to me that the *real* insult to women is to state that they are so ignorant and lame that they can’t make their own decisions. I knew a nude dancer when I lived in another state; she was 21 and beautiful. She said very matter-of-factly that she liked to dance, liked men and *loved* to be nude. Not to mention that she could earn enough in three months of dancing in the summer to take her through college the rest of the year.

    I think sometimes the stereotypes are correct, but sometimes they are not right at all…the trick is to be able to look at everything objectively, which is not that easy to do.

  102. Tex, I believe you have me confused with someone else, but then I’m sure you are tired these days. I assume, Mrs. Noah is back at work now and you are baby-sitting. They, infants, are a pleasure, but so much work.

  103. On the subject of porn, I find myself somewhere between Pfesser and Tex (dear reader, please get that image out of your head).

    On the one hand, I think this country has its head up its ass when it comes to sexuality. We are so incredibly repressed that many are driven to behaviors that might not manifest in a more open, easy-going, common sense society. I won’t go into all the factors that are to blame regarding our sense of shame over the human body, etc. That could occupy its own thread.

    On the other hand, porn can replace real human interaction (much the same way Internet “friendships” can) and that is not good. I also believe porn makes it a bit harder to view real women as 3 dimensional people. I think the objectification can dominate one’s thinking.

    Last but not least, and I don’t think Tex went there, porn is a drug. Make no mistake about it. It has the potential to be addictive and any addiction is destructive.

    Believe me, I’m not pretending to be choir boy here. My “relationship” with porn is a complicated one but I’m enough in touch with my own mind to know it isn’t just fluff. For me, it has always been a form of substance abuse and I tend to be happier with myself the less I partake.

  104. NOP –

    At Fat Grannies I always felt you were exactly as your handle suggested, No One’s Puppet, and for the most part fair in your posts, so just a friendly heads-up.

    Don’t fuck with these people. Leave the smart-assed cracks at home if you don’t want them to clean your plow for you.

  105. Tex and Gorilla, I am with you. However, to the extent any credit due, Obama and the likes of Rutherford (read: MSNBC) who try to bill this “courageous” decision of doing nothing or accepting a well-laid plan as some kind of mythic achievement, does not overcome his pitiful presidency to date as Rutherford hopes.

    Agree 100%. In fact, you could argue he’s even on terrorism now as bin Laden’s death even’s out the Ft. Hood shooting, Time Square Bombing and UPS bomb plot. Essentially, we’re at a clean slate.

    The economy and debt will drive the election. Obama will do everything he can to make it a security/national defense election, now that he has this to his credit, but it’ll ultimately come down to economic numbers.

  106. When it comes to this Osama op, you are coming off as a rank amateur armchair military strategist. I’m dumbfounded at how you have simplified Obama’s decision. I thought I was clear earlier in the thread. This was not simply a go no-go decision. Even BiW, Rabbit and to some extent Gorilla acknowledge that there were variables to this mission that Obama had to sign off on.

    You don’t think it takes balls to fly into a nation without permission, land on private property, and go in and kill the occupants of that property? Let’s be honest … if it were not for the fact we killed Public Enemy #1, what we did sounds downright criminal. Where you get the idea that the decision to do that didn’t involve a few sleepless nights is beyond me. Methinks you’ve watched way too many episodes of “24″.” – R

    Without a doubt- this operation does not happen without Obama’s approval. Period. But the cynic could argue that could Obama afford not to authorize once bin Laden’s location was determined? To me, the bigger man (which is why Obama won’t do it) would come out and say that he was wrong about the enhanced interrogation techniques and admit that there was benefit to the program. We can argue morals- that is an important debate- but the Administration was categorically wrong when it came to the effectiveness of the interrogation program.

  107. If I’m not mistaken, “enhanced interrogation” actually stopped during the Bush administration although never condemned. Maybe it was your buddy George who should’ve tortured more folks to find bin Laden? Then again, hard to focus on Osama when you’re up to your nose in Iraq.” – R

    The program was used sparingly- only three people- but it was still available. If we capture those kind of folks today, they know that they will not go through the program. Fear can be a great motivator when interrogating someone. I don’t have to use enhanced techniques, but if he knows about them, and he knows I can use them, then implications towards them creates stress and fear, which results in diminished logical process and a compromised defense posture. It’s that important.

    As for Iraq, a lot of what we have today has been developed through Iraq. Also, Iraq wasn’t about terrorism as a tactic, it was about strategically altering the environment that allows terrorism to exist. You have to think through the second and third order of effects…

  108. P.S. Am I the only one who finds it creepy that Billy Mays is still shown in some commercials? Is there some contractual obligation being fulfilled to his survivors?

    Alright, that’s enough of the BILLY MAYS HERE! hatred, dammiit! I’m dispatching a team to MAGIC PUTTY all egress points for your house, and then I’m calling in an OXY CLEAN airstrike. You’re going down, man!

  109. G, I understand your point about the power of fear but do you really think these terrorists expect the Holiday Inn if they get caught by us?

    Also, unless press reports are to be ignored, our certainty that bin Laden was even there was never close to 100%. It was entirely circumstantial … so again Obama played high risk, high reward.

    Finally and I completely admit this is a punk red-herring for me to toss in but what the hell:

    We still have Gitmo, we still have rendition. The kill team scandal shows we don’t have complete control of what goes on at field level. So … why are we so sure enhanced interrogation has actually stopped, especially at the “black sites”? Just because Obama says so?

    I call this a red herring because if it were true it would ruin one of my major premises for supporting Obama, i.e. the end of torture as a policy.

  110. “Let’s be honest … if it were not for the fact we killed Public Enemy #1, what we did sounds downright criminal.”

    No more than firing the Monica Missiles into Afghanistan.

    Rutherford, I appreciate the cpmpliment, but since you have no military or diplomatic credntials that I am aware of, in order to attack my conclusion you hvae got to tell me what the alternative was. I am not being flip when I assert that the decision appears to be a go versus no-go. You haven’t told me what the alternatives are. Your answer reveals why bombing was not the right choice. Perhaps there something that exists I am unaware of. If so, what the hell was it? I am not willing to exalt Obama’s decision beyond what it was becuase the outcome was favorable. I ain’t giving him credit that easy — and I know damn good and well you give him credit regardless of whether it is deserved.

    Talk to me baby!

  111. ROTFLMAO … Tex, Obama is Caligula? Is your middle name hyperbole?

    NO Dork 😆 I didn’t say Obama was Caligula. Obama is Mao. I still think Obama likes it up the ying yang. I said Pfesser’s post read like Caligula.

  112. The Osama operation was simple political motivation.

    Obama was on the ropes – he’s a schmuck and miserable failure as President. Even Rutherford knows it. Obama had to do something spectacular to get back in the election game. He did it.

    Obama gambled with Seal lives to score big and Obama hit the jackpot. Obama doesn’t give a shit about the military men – look at Afghanistan. They come home in a box daily – Obama flies to Frisco to campaign and have his ego massaged. The Military is another commodity to be used.

    Obama spun the roulette wheel and hit the big win. The thrill will last a week, and he’ll return to the house loser.

  113. Hell we’ll never know all that really went on behind the scenes, but I call Balls for the Commander-in-Chief. High risk, high reward says it best. Only a percentage given as the chance he was there. Fly into another country’s sovereign space and launch a guns-out attack based on statistics…shit, that sounds like Balls to me, boys – I don’t care if it IS Bo.

    Jesus, think of the shitstorm if they had flown in there and it was the Minister of Nuclear Power’s home, or the president’s personal harem. Or if they had had a fucking debacle like Carter’s ill-fated desert “rescue.” Thank god those days are over.

  114. Imma’ try the italics tag again. Wish me luck.

    Tigre,

    Actually I really have no idea what his decision would have been a year or two ago. When you know what motivates someone, their actions are a little more predictable even in retrospect. I do think the President is learning from his past mistakes and wants to make the right decisions and always has, but I don’t know what he bases his decisions on or who he listens to. How much does Holder still have his ear? Where would Raum have fallen on this? Does he really trust Hillary? Haha Do I?

    So I probably should have said I have my doubts about what motivates the President more so than what particular decision I think he would have made, especially on the subject of terrorism.

    Bush? I believe motivated to seek success in defeating “the enemy.” No question what his mindset is.

    Obama? … Well. I just think he’s been so reticent on this whole issue. I don’t know what he thinks or what he wants and why. His speech on the death of UBL was peppered with references to credit and that made me a little uncomfortable. He started out with a lot of “I”s.” His speeches on the economy are credit/blame oriented as well.

    I formed an opinion during the health care debate/debacle regarding what I saw as a lot of powerful people squandering a lot of time and energy fighting over a serious issue that affects the future of the entire country – and that most of them (including the President) seemed to me to be motivated by credit more so than the soundness and quality of the resulting legislature. They were fighting over credit and in the end produced a substandard product pleasing no one.

    I’ve not been able to shake that impression since.

    “Don’t fuck with these people.” LOL. You make me laugh Pfesser.

  115. Come on man, I do counterterrorism work- most of what we do is circumstantial. At some point, the volume of circumstantial becomes too overwhelming to ignore.

    Enhanced interrogations are not happening, nor are we authorized to do such. But isn’t it an interesting point that any success Obama’s had thus far in the war on terror, has come from Bush policies. Ironic? More like vindicating.

  116. Tex, you’re right. The thrill of having captured and killed Bin Laden — or should I say the novelty of Obama not fucking up –will wear off as quickly as the capture of Saddam.

    I just hope the liberal media (and Rutherford for my amusement) will continue to oversell the amount of credit Obama deserves. With all of our domestic problems, the credit/blame game and his embarrassing narcissism will hurt him immeasurably in the eyes of independents. His election is hardly a lock because of this one incident — one that should sell itself.

    While some credit is due (“some”), Obama predictably walks around as though he carried a gun and lead the charge himself, displaying his immaturity as a commander in a repulsive way, I think. I guess we’ll see.

  117. “His speech on the death of UBL was peppered with references to credit and that made me a little uncomfortable. He started out with a lot of “I”s.” His speeches on the economy are credit/blame oriented as well.”

    Indeed. I only heard a small portion of it, and hadn’t read much about it. The few minutes though were full of “I”s — extremely conspicuous — laughable really.

    I think your larger point is on the money.

  118. And the White House’s bullshit continues to stink….

    It makes it more difficult to believe the big things when they continually outright lie about stupid little things.

  119. I see this completely different Pfesser. First, an explanation where I am coming from – and it is important to explain, because with out, nothing makes sense. If you understand this, Obama’s gamble makes perfect sense.

    ———-

    I know that hollow women like this Puppet and head water boy like Rutherford will say, “Tex is only blinded by his hatred of Obama.” And it is true that I think Obama is a farce, and I have from the start. I have never hid that. But the groupies are wrong about me hating the man. There are many other liberal politicians who disgust me far more than Obama.

    What frightens me about Obama is not the man himself, as I think Obama is as transparent as glass. I don’t believe Obama highly intelligent or of sound character. I do think Obama is a thin-skinned narcissist, with a superficial gift of reading a prepared speech and making it sound like his. I think Obama is a statist and a racist, detached and removed, with an large dose of megalomania; some character flaws bordering on sociopathic. Obama is very guarded and always cool, but occasionally the anger and the resentment bubble to the surface. The ego is always there – he’s a rock star.

    What I am continually amazed about is that reasonably smart people, maybe even like you, don’t seem to recognize what Obama really considers himself. Obama has hinted at it numerous times without saying as much. Greek columns and cliches of “we are the ones who will stop the rising seas….” Numerous uses of “I” in every speech – the absolute complete center of attention and bullying with a smile. Obama doesn’t see himself as simply President and CiC Pfesser. Obama considers himself the ordained link between heaven and earth; the global figurehead that will bring man back from the precipice; a modern day Pharaoh or Caesar of sorts. I’m serious. I don’t listen closely to what Obama says, as it predicable – I watch what he does.

    So having said that…

    What frightens me about the Obama revolution is the fawning, irrational adulation from the absolute weakest people on earth. They feed Obama’s ego and he strokes their fears. Those unable to think or care for themselves and sold the idea from cradle to grave that only government capable of caring for them, leading them, loving them.

    You realize there’s a long record following this pattern? That is the historical recipe for downfall – Greece, Rome, even Nazi Germany…all follow the same basic path to destruction. The charismatic leader, the empty promises that have no chance of being fulfilled, the guarantees of returning to greatness? Desperate people with no hope? Sound familiar?

    And those fawning represent at least 40% of America and growing. They are going to vote Obama no matter what. They are puppets on a string.

    Hell we’ll never know all that really went on behind the scenes, but I call Balls for the Commander-in-Chief. High risk, high reward says it best.

    So I ask what risk? Everything by and for Obama is motivated by egotistical calculation. Let’s say the operation had failed. At least 40% of this country would still vote for Obama. We already know 95% of blacks will vote for Obama. We already know 65% of Latinos will vote for Obama. We already know that New York and California will vote for Obama overwhelmingly, no matter how miserable the shape of the state. Others are predictable…

    So really Pfesser, Obama the man didn’t risk that much.

    It wasn’t his ass on the line like the Navy Seals. If the mission had failed, Obama gets a small drop in the already miserable poll ratings, more tongue lashing from people like me, and not much else. But a success brings a huge leap back into popularity and relevancy.

    A small percentage chance it fails? These soldiers had trained for months with an exact replica of the mansion. These are some of the best fighters in the world carrying the greatest sophistication on earth. They knew exactly what they were doing backed up by incredible technology that unfold before Obama’s staff on the big screen.

    This is not military circa 1980. This is post Reagan – the absolute baddest military that has ever walked this earth – and thank God they are. We are going to need them.

    It was the right call but carried little political risk and high reward. Obama has his trophy.

  120. Tex –

    Pretty thoroughgoing analysis…hmmm…have to think about that a while.

    I will tell you that I, too, see the analogy with pre-war states like Germany. The coming financial collapse, the inability of the Nanny State to continue using welfare to buy off revolution as it runs out of other_people’s_money, (to quote Thatcher) puts us squarely in that position.

    I too see Obama’s charisma and his almost too-guarded demeanor. I definitely believe him to be a product of a country obsessed with race and he clearly believes that the elite thinkers know far better how to spend our money than we do.

    I don’t see him as a puppet-master or a charismatic dictator, and of course the Constitution is STILL a major stumbling block for those of that ilk, so I’m still undecided how far he can go with his ideology. Fortunately on the other side we have the Internet and blogs like this, where ideas can be hung out in the bright sunshine.

    Maybe that’s why the govt wants an on-off switch on the whole Internet. Now there’s a scary thought…

  121. Muffy, I don’t know much about you, and have assumed you are younger than I am. You talked about your family once, so I suppose I could approximate your age.

    I wanted to say that in the few posts you have provided here, you apparently have an insight that many if not most I’ve read here and elsewhere don’t.

    I have no idea your politics, but your brief summation above about Obama is one I wish far more people would begin to recognize. If everyone that posted here read like you, I might present myself in trying to bring a far more professional and polished approach to the debate which I am perfectly capable but seldom do.

    As I’ve only half joked here, I would – but many liberals that frequent here and elsewhere (numerous Fat Grannies type blogs) are like radical jihadists, only understanding a kick in the head with a steel toed boot, followed by a punch to the mouth, followed by the clear recognition I am laughing at their inanity.

    Sometimes, like when I read your post from above, I do chastise myself quietly for not taking or treating these debates more seriously.

    There may be far more people that read these gossip sessions than I believe besides my chums like Rutherford, Tigre, BIC, and brother Rabbit. Those are my internet friends.

    My intent has never been to influence here. But on that rare chance somebody is actually coming here to glean influence or information from more than just a food fight, you are the far more effective witness in your message.

    I give you a tip of the cap and you have been a welcome addition. I do hope you post more. It might make me even clean up my act.

  122. The WH press sec. JUST said that, regarding a claim that “a piece of information from 8 years ago leading to this outcome…. is just not the case.”

    Already they are trying to deny George Bush his due credit, so that Baby Boy Obama gets it all.

    More bullshit from the mouth of Team Obama…..

  123. DR, happy National Teachers Appreciation Day!

    I do appreciate our teachers for their giving of knowledge, often to those who do not appreciate that gift, and for their taking of crap by students, parents, and school administrators.

    DR, I apologize for my past comments that have tried to make your service as a teacher less than. You’re a gentleman and a scholar. And for once I can actually say that and have it be accurate.

  124. Huck,

    I could make a pretty sound I argument I believe that even after he’s dead, Osama has at least temporarily won the war – that is, until if and when we ever return to sanity. I feel your comment above is very true.

    No way Al Qaida or any of the other thugs could defeat us with our military capability. If we were rational creatures, terrorists shouldn’t be able to influence our economy to any degree without a nuclear warhead parked in our cities, even with the advent of 9/11. The market dropping like a stone after 9/11 was irrational fear, just as it was in 2008. Exxon Mobil wasn’t suddenly 70% of a company from a previous week because of trillions in bad real estate loans.

    Think about what has changed in ten years. Our airport security borders on sexual assault sprinkled in with pedophilia. The greatest power on earth can’t guard 2,500 miles of its southern border. There’s hardly a thing such as privacy anymore. We are regulated to death this way and that at both federal and state level. Our answer to our problems is more inept government bureaucracy brought to us by self-serving politicians and a empty suit for President, who I am not entirely sure doesn’t hate the Constitution. Politicians are conniving, self-serving demagogues and most too gutless to demonstrate true character.

    I listened the other night to our new Republicans just elected, who sounded just like the old Republicans telling a fickle audience what they wanted to hear.

    That’s why I am pretty much out of the stock market now and have resigned myself to the luxury of my living room to do as I see fit. Somewhere the last 10 years, I said, “Screw it…” I’m done trying to rationalize with these fools and will just become one of them.

    Baaaaahhhhhh.

  125. Huck you want accuracy? Hell they can’t even get straight whether he was shot once in the head and once in the chest or twice in the head.

    One problem the administration is having IMHO is an electorate uncomfortable with a simple murder. That’s why the initial spin of bin Laden resisting or having a gun. It goes down better than the notion of our killing an unarmed man at close range.

    I’m not one of those saying Osama didn’t deserve to die but I also know there is a contingent out there not happy about the way it went down.

  126. Plenty of you are not going to like Obama no matter how he acts or what he says. If it isn’t criticism for not speaking soon enough and not owning an issue, it’s speaking too soon and owning an issue. I get it. We all could run things better from our easy chairs. Criticism falls easily from our lips, whereas praise looks for its reward.

    Enhanced interrogations are not happening, nor are we authorized to do such. But isn’t it an interesting point that any success Obama’s had thus far in the war on terror, has come from Bush policies.

    I still say the president is not in charge of diddly. Bush’s policies, my ass. Like everything was legally “authorized” before. 😆 Gorilla, you crack me up. I can never tell when it’s you or your employer doing the talking. W just stepped aside and let industry and neocons have their way with everything. That’s a policy? Yeah right.

    There is an underlying agenda that is being carried out here. I don’t care who is in office. You can critique the puppet show until the curtain comes down, it doesn’t really matter. All the while your country and your freedom and your assets are being siphoned away.

    But the slick thing is nobody really sees it. Nobody cares. As long as I got my latest toys and fantasies, life is good. We eat extremely well – at least there is an abundance and it occupies much of our waking hours. Just keep those gas prices teetering between bitch and riot levels, and we’ll keep buying it. We’ll keep talking about those good ole days of cheap gas and continue watching our beloved sports and free porn in between going to and from work, measuring our lives with those around us. Silly humans. The world is much bigger.

    There is a science to population control. ZB said it is easier to kill a million people today than it is to control them. That is because of today’s information and weapons’ technology. But the fact is, either way, the goal is to control us. And they have been very successful, so far. If you are buying what you hear from the media and the government’s PR persons, you are no threat to the plan. It may feel free, however it’s really only free range.

  127. Fortunately on the other side we have the Internet and blogs like this, where ideas can be hung out in the bright sunshine.

    One of the downsides of “blogs like this” is that they give a voice to the nuttiest notions on the face of the Earth and fortify fellow believers, making them think they are right when they are simply just another loon. The case in point that Obama is an egomaniac who risked the lives and reputation of the Navy SEALs for pure political gain.

    Let’s forget the thousands of families (hence the title of this article) who feel a bit better today than they did this time last week.

    This thread gets the award for greatest percentage of poppycock of any thread I’ve ever moderated in almost four years of doing this gig. 😐

  128. I would just rather starve to death than to be fed bullshit. I guess not everyone shares that dietary intolerance. Bullshit seems to be used as a artificial sweetener that makes unpleasant news go down easier. And there are far, far too many who eat it up and hold out their empty bowl requesting “more, Sir…”

  129. I give you a tip of the cap and you have been a welcome addition. I do hope you post more.

    Muffy, word of warning. Tex’s endorsement comes with a lot of fine print at the bottom very hard to read but absolutely necessary. Step on the trap doors of religious skepticism or the thought that racism might actually exist in America …. or for that matter that America might not be perfect … and you’ll see that endorsement vaporize faster than a Star Trek officer being beamed down from the Enterprise. 🙂

  130. R –

    “One of the downsides of “blogs like this” is that they give a voice to the nuttiest notions on the face of the Earth and fortify fellow believers, making them think they are right when they are simply just another loon.”

    I believe my Boy Lewis Brandeis had a quote tailormade for that POV.

    “Publicity is justly commended as a remedy for social and industrial diseases. Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants; electric light the most efficient policeman.”

    Let the loons publish, and hang the ideas in the sun. It’s a GREAT thing.

    And don’t forget a little humility. Copernicus, Galileo, Marconi were thought loons, too, but time will truly tell who is right and who is wrong.

  131. More bullshit from the mouth of Team Obama…..

    Perhaps, perhaps not. The honesty record of the GOP is profoundly questionable. I’m eager to read the different spins on this.

    I’ve given George a major tip of the hat in this post … maybe prematurely? 😉

  132. The market dropping like a stone after 9/11 was irrational fear, just as it was in 2008. Exxon Mobil wasn’t suddenly 70% of a company from a previous week because of trillions in bad real estate loans.

    Brilliant.

    Anyone who tells you with 100% accuracy why the market did what it did on any given day is full of horse manure. Yet we hang on every word of these prognosticators. The markets are driven by so many variables including flagrant manipulation that anyone who looks to the market to diagnose political problems is either delusional or a snake oil salesman.

  133. They captured Saddam and we had video right away. When they captured his sons they toured the country with their dead bodies. Islamic law or not, we always do whatever gives us the best publicity at the time.

    The logical thing to do, if this was really UBL, would have been to capture him and try him in NYC. Now you have a coverup of why you did not do the logical thing.

    Of course if UBL was not guilty of what we claim, the risk of more people finding that out would entail taking the route that was taken. And if there was a chance that it wasn’t really UBL, the best thing to do is to not produce a body.

    Now that is if anyone wanted to listen to logic…

  134. Well Pfesser, you’ve struck on one reason I don’t censor my comments threads. The looniest ideas will hopefully defeat themselves just by being seen and read by the sane among us. Then again, the birther, truther and other similar movements make me wonder how many otherwise sane individuals can be convinced by a little disinformation. 😦

  135. Poolman, as much as I have defended Eric Holder and the whole notion of civilian trials, I must admit that a trial of Osama bin Laden would have been a circus too hard to endure. Killing him was the right approach.

    BUT we DO need to see SOME evidence of his actually having been killed. I’m already hearing that the postmortem photos are too grisly for American consumer consumption.

  136. What’s wrong Rutherford? Afraid to admit your false messiah might just be that shallow? You honestly think that egotistical prick wouldn’t sell his grandmother out to score some points? You’re as foolish as the Fat Granny crowd anymore. You’ve lost all sense of honesty.

    If you’re inane enough Obama thinks one second of the foot solider in the field, their families, and their well being, you’re as much an empty suit as your false messiah. Then again, with some of the asinine and malicious charges you’ve drummed up since Obama took the nosedive in the polls (Giffords comes to mind), why should I be surprised you would be offended by being slapped across the face with the harsh reality of truth?

    May I remind you that this is the same military that you and yours happily sold down the river when George Bush was President? Mercenaries and shills for Halliburton – and that was the complimentary part. They are your million Mogadishus, all little Eichmann in jackboots – but then, there was the opportunity to make Obama shine. You shelved your little pinko flags and bought yourself a cheap replica of Old Glory to wave for as long as Bo lasts and you can suck the public teat dry under the guise of “social justice.”

    You phony jackasses, flapping in the winds of hypocrisy, deceit and cowardice.

    🙂 But I knew my hypothesis and assumptions would piss you off in spades. The revenge of reality is a dish best served cold. Remember that next time you want to play politics with life and death Captain.

  137. “Poppycock, I might add, fueled by unyielding disdain for this President.”

    As opposed to Palin? 😛

    You really need to take Obama’s cock out of your mouth Rutherford. He ain’t all that or a bag of chips. Plus, he’ll just wind up dumping you when he’s through.

    The hero worship is really disturbing.

  138. I must admit that a trial of Osama bin Laden would have been a circus too hard to endure. Killing him was the right approach.

    Who makes that call? I understand we are no longer a nation of law, but who is now the righteous judge that decides? Obama? It would be nice if we actually had a system of justice to deal with those we accuse of crimes. You do know bin Laden was never formally accused for the crime of 9/11. There still isn’t any real evidence for the FBI to accuse him. But now that we offed him, I guess that doesn’t matter much, right?

    BUT we DO need to see SOME evidence of his actually having been killed. I’m already hearing that the postmortem photos are too grisly for American consumer consumption.

    A body would have been the best evidence. But there we go with logic again. Obviously there was a problem with that. I speculate because we did not have his body. Obviously a burial at sea was planned before the event, as It happened within 12 hours. Who decides that? This whole thing is pretty slimy to me. Photographic evidence will always be suspect. There’s been a photo-shopped bin Laden shot in the left eye making its way around the internet from 3 years ago. It would be quite damning if that is the one that gets presented. DNA isn’t something most folks can check on.

    And 2 clicks of a mouse and I can get gory pics right in my office. This “too grisly” for viewing went out with the last generation. Who actually still believes that crap?

    If they wanted true closure and this was legit, we would have seen the body. Period.

  139. @Gorilla

    But isn’t it an interesting point that any success Obama’s had thus far in the war on terror, has come from Bush policies. Ironic? More like vindicating.

    If we would have followed Bush’s policies we would not have been looking for bin Laden.

    OBL was within military reach at Tora Bora in December 2001 when President Bush failed to get him when he was at his most vulnerable – three months after the 9/11 attacks.

    “I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority.”
    – G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

    “I am truly not that concerned about him.”
    – G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden’s whereabouts,
    3/13/02

    In 2003 President Bush said the capture of Bin Laden was “no longer a priority”.  
     
    In 2005 President Bush eliminated the Bin Laden speciality team from the CIA.  

    Is this the policy you are cheerleading for?
     
    It wasn’t the enhanced interrogation techniques either. Don’t take my word but listen to Former SECDEV Rumsfeld —

    “It is true that some information that came from normal interrogation approaches at Guantanamo did lead to information that was beneficial in this instance. But it was not harsh treatment and it was not waterboarding.”

    So what Bush policies do you speak of?

    In this particular instance, catching OBL in Pakistan was Obama’s campaign promise and he made sure the CIA and the Pentagon knew it was his top priority (compare with Bush’s statements and actions from 2002-2005.) 
    Given President Bush’s publicly stated priorities concerned OBL, I would say this is a vindication of Obama’s strategies and priorities.

    Having said all this I will say it’s really not fair to deny Bush some credit, whether you think he did a good job or not. I would agree that Bush failed to finish what he started in Afghanistan, bungled the war of convenience in Iraq, and wasted precious time and resources searching for WMD in Iraq when OBL should have been the focus of the CIA and the military, but Bush can also rightfully claim many victories against al Qaeda. 
     
    But it’s ridiculous to deny Obama credit, as he is the commander-in-chief who authorized and led the operation that brought bin Laden to justice.  
     
    Bush and Obama may have had different priorities and its fair to criticize their approaches. 
     
    Bush deserves credit for making the fight against terrorists a national priority, but I just wish he would have finished our work against al Qaeda in Afghanistan first. Obama deserves credit for maintaining continuity in military leadership and re-focusing the efforts on Afghanistan, Pakistan, and OBL which seems to be paying dividends.

  140. Well there’s no question that sometimes we (all) find ourselves hitting send when we should be reflecting. 🙂

    Thanks Tex. I appreciate that in a way that I know you understand. I like reading you too.

    Rutherford, thank you for hosting and especially for not censoring the comments.

    Curator, I’m going to get in trouble for being on the internet during class tonight if any responses come back to you on #179. That’s some fine food for thought right there.

  141. So exactly what did Obama do to continue the continuity in Afghanistan? Increase the troop size and start losing the war? Afghanistan is in far worse shape now than Jan 2009.

    If you haven’t noticed, far more soldiers are dying in Afghanistan than at anytime during the Bush Adm. and even one David Howell Petraeus says we could lose the war – and at best it’s been fought to a draw since he took command. He said budget cuts would likely lose the war in March 2011.

    If you want to talk about failures, lets talk about Obama and Iran – the country he assured us he could reason with and that it was our “cowboy mentality” that prevented peace. How’s that worked out? If it wasn’t for the Israeli Jews and Stuxnet, Mahmoud would be well on his way to owning a nuclear weapon with weapons grade U-235. Now Iraq can’t even get the centrifuges to work thanks to our allies – not us. And that is not going to last forever.

    P.S. – While Bush may have bungled the war of convenience, he did win it with “the surge” – a fact even Obama, who denied its success for years, now admits. That burns the asses of most liberals like Rutherford, because now he’s out of bullets.

    We killed far more Al-Qaeda in Iraq than we have anywhere else. We now sit on top of the world’s second largest reserves of oil and would have access in an emergency. And Saddam is gone, not thumbing his nose at the 16 U.N. resolutions he continually thumbed his nose at.

    You can criticize Iraq, but the fact is that its history or record of success have yet to be written.

  142. Poolman, as much as I have defended Eric Holder and the whole notion of civilian trials, I must admit that a trial of Osama bin Laden would have been a circus too hard to endure. Killing him was the right approach.

    It must be killking R to know that he agrees with John Wayne.

    “Out here, due process is a bullet.”

  143. Amazing how difficult it is for some people to concede the truth, President Obama, our Commander in Chief ordered the raid that took bin Laden out. No one is suggesting he did anymore than that, but it was the right choice and a brave choice for many reasons.

  144. Step on the trap doors of religious skepticism or the thought that racism might actually exist in America

    Hard to believe I would have ever said that.

    Nobody is more skeptical of Islam or your irreligious nature. Told you about mom and grandma under no uncertain terms, now shared with Osama.

    Matter of fact, I’ve called Obama a closet racist, know our greasy turd for Attorney General is a racist, know damn sure that Louis Farrakhan is a blatant racist, and since I posted this last week to prove racism exists, will do it again to jog your short memory.

  145. You know, I don’t believe that I saw Eric Holder in that pic of the staffers watching the raid. No doubt it twisted him off to know that not only was he not going to be able to give him a trial, but that all the lefties would pat themselves on the back for this demonstration of “justice”.

    Oh irony, your nectar is so rich, thick, and honey-like.

  146. One thought to all you liberals that crossed my mind this afternoon.

    For seven years, you have told the rest of us that the war on terror has been a failure, that George was an incompetent boob, that our mission should have been to get Bin Laden. Curator has touched on this numerous times, including this afternoon.

    I have always thought all of you incredibly naive and that Osama but a figurehead of a much bigger problem you pretend doesn’t exist. Not only do I feel most of you invariably point the wrong way about domestic issues, you have vastly oversimplified foreign cause and effect.

    You have said without hesitation that the objective was to get Osama Bin Laden. All else was secondary. Obama has trophy and Osama is dead. Mission accomplished, right?

    You are calling this the “defining moment”. I think you are absolutely correct – but for all of the wrong reasons.

    The next Islamic atrocity falls to you and yours…as will the blame if you fail. I suggest you carry a big stick – you’re going to need it.

  147. Want to see a moron in action? How about Mr. Colbert, the sage of liberal intellectualism? Did you guys know that while under the auspices of Dick Cheney, Team six went from secret assassination squad, to heroes under Obama? Really, they did. 🙂

    A certain delicious irony that this week is beginning to uncover just how ignorant, hypocritical and grotesque liberals really were during the Bush terms.

    From Cheney’s Secret Assassination Squad to Obama’s Super Awesome Cleanup Crew

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/03/team-six-from-cheneys-secret-assassination-squad-to-obmas-super-awesome-cleanup-crew/

  148. I like Colbert. His stuff is usually sophisticated and extremely sarcastic. I don’t get to see his shows often anymore.

    Are we still going with the Islamic traditions being the reason we buried Osama at sea 12 hours after killing him? Just wondering. The last time we could have stuck with these traditions was when the SEALs took out those Muslim Somali pirates. The three were shot at sea, but we didn’t turn their bodies over to the port authorities until over 2 weeks later. Guess we weren’t too concerned for tradition then, eh?

  149. I don’t know. For a moron in action, I think you’re best served watching the Rabbit click his mouse on a 49 dollar silver call set to expire June 17th.

    My epic win streak may be over, boys.

    Somebody get their sling shot out for me. I will jump off this train at 46.50.
    economically.

    Seriously, I deserve to get burned once. It will be good for me.

  150. I have no idea why I typed the word “economically”. This option trading shit will give you Turrettes.

  151. “it was. . . [a] brave choice for many reasons.”

    And I wait for something more than platitudes. . .

  152. Tigre,

    You’ll be waiting until the rapture if you wait for anything more than platitudes from the typical venal Fat Granny hag. Complete cranial vacuity.

    I saw that Puppet from above once again has me confused with this **Noah, whose wife was 7 months pregnant a few months back.

    The coward who masquerades as Fat Granny penned some baloney about Noah, by name, to incite the harpies, hags, vile nags, geriatric dogs, and rat faced shrews to mock Noah, his wife, even the pregnancy. Seems young Noah had the unmitigated gall in disagreeing with the abortion mill proponent’s demands for unfettered infanticide.

    Banned young Noah, then bad mouthed him to no end. Pretty brave, hey? That was Fat Grannies.

    It would be a pleasure to debate those filthy skanks on the Rutherford Lawson blog, where they couldn’t hide behind the blog moderator. Shooting tuna in a barrel with a bazooka.

    ** My 50+ year old wife has some explaining to do, and I’m a modern miracle being I had my wings clipped seventeen years ago Puppet .** 😈

  153. If you haven’t noticed, far more soldiers are dying in Afghanistan than at anytime during the Bush Adm.

    Are you vying for stupidest comment of the day today Tex?

    How ’bout some basic math … you send more troops into an unwinnable war and you get more dead guys. Bush chose for the body bags to come back from Iraq primarily. All Obama did was change the source of the body bags.

    AND … the idea to send more of our boys and girls to die in Afghanistan was one you and your nation building friends heartily supported. In fact, you were pissed that McChyrstal, Petraeus etal didn’t get as many soldiers as they really wanted.

    Your anti-Obama rants tonight really verge on clinical insanity.

  154. BiW, serious question … is Holder considered part of the national security team? I’m not sure he is. We had DoD there, Dept of State, Joint Chiefs and CiC plus some others I can’t identify. Seems the right mix to me.

  155. Are we still going with the Islamic traditions being the reason we buried Osama at sea 12 hours after killing him?

    Actually Poolman no. The Islamic method was the how, not the why. The why was that no nation would accept his body for burial and even if one did, we did not want the gravesight becoming a terrorist shrine. Once that decision was made, the sea burial was made as kosher Islamic as possible, including, so I’ve read, washing the body before dumping it.

    Of course there are clerics complaining that the burial did not conform with Islamic tradition. Oh well. Can’t have everything.

  156. And I wait for something more than platitudes. . .

    Until you learn how to read and retain, Tigre, you’ll be waiting a good long time. I’ve gone over this more than once. I’ve brought you to water …. I can’t make you drink. 😦

  157. Tex, thanks for 193 … I had no idea what Noah NOP was referring to until you jogged my memory that Noah was the pinata that the M&H blog went after in that post.

    No, NOP, I can vouch for Tex and Noah being two different people. Tex has no babies … just two beautiful college age daughters much smarter than their father. 😉

  158. Hard to believe you were a math major in Hawwwvard. An obvious quota hire. You sure you didn’t confuse Harvard U. with Howard U. when you signed on and attended?

    See if you can wrap your squirrel sized balls around this. Can you read a chart Howard?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Coalition_military_casualties_in_afghanistan_by_month.svg

    Soldiers were dying in far greater numbers before we ever sent more soldiers in as Obama dithered in late 2009. Jihadists had figured out we had a politically correct anarchist and Muslim sympathizer in the White house. They acted. Take a look at the last half of 2009 Howard..

    And talk about not being able to read. Tigre was speaking about Puppet’s platitudes and even included the quote. You’re suffering from Bongo lag – didn’t get the huge jump you were praying for and now you’re lashing out in frustration? Tragic. We got Bo figured out Rutherford – he’s as big a schmuck this week as he was last week. 🙂

  159. Could have sworn, I read Tex saying, his alter ego was Noah, on this Blog, and he use that moniker when he sneaked over to M&H. So no diaper duty then Tex? Sounds like your girls take after their mother.

  160. Sounds like your girls take after their mother.

    They do and that’s a good thing, as mom is both beautiful inside and out. World’s greatest mother and most patient wife.

    My duty was to make sure the girls didn’t turn out as something like Fat Granny shrews – an anathema to femininity, beauty and class.

  161. “Could have sworn, I read Tex saying, his alter ego was Noah, on this Blog, and he use that moniker when he sneaked over to M&H. So no diaper duty then Tex? Sounds like your girls take after their mother.”

    I tried to tell you, sweetheart, but I only tell people one time, so put on your big girl pants. You ain’t at Fat Grannies.

  162. “Until you learn how to read and retain, Tigre, you’ll be waiting a good long time.”

    What? Is that a joke or are you that a big of a fool? 🙄

  163. BTW, I got your MSNBC repeat. Is this your “water?”

    1. How likely is it the dude is really bin Laden?
    2. Do we bomb or go in on the ground?
    3. Do we work with Pakistan or go solo?

    I asked why these were corageous decisions and not just options. Crickets.

    The fact that the mission could’ve failed is not what I am asking about. Of course your rarely read or retain what I write.

    Once your buddy Crazy Larry tells you, let me know. Then we can all go back to validating your messiah.

  164. Interesting tidbit on the Osama DNA analysis…Further proof but not fool proof. My beef isn’t with the military or the testing. They couldn’t have done better.

    But our media is as ignorant about science as they are about Obama’s greatness. Really bad reporting – nothing new there.

    If I understood the timeline properly, it was about 14 hours from the time OBL killed until fed to the fishes. That would have included transport, preparation of the body, and whatever pomp & circumstance the jihadists required.

    I hope some Seal severed his unit for further testing.

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/forensics/osama-bin-ladens-dna-how-sure-is-ninety-nine-point-nine-percent-sure-5680593?click=pm_latest

  165. Tigre, I think Rutherford at best briefly scans posts anymore.

    Half of his responses to me these days are either ass backwards, misunderstand, misapplied, or misdirected to the wrong party. At least half the time, he completely misses the premise or quotes the wrong poster – Dawg quality retorts.

    And since I know our pal isn’t the pet rock most libs are, I surmise the best explanation is the obvious one demonstrated on each page.

    Rutherford is far more excited to feel like he’s part of Crazy Larry and Queef Ogremann’s Twitter clan, than he is to answer questions at his own blog. Rutherford is not immune to the groupie disease.

    You just know “R” wets his pants and pops the small boner when he receives a response from any PMSNBC propagandist. Ohhhhhhhhhh….Keith gave me an answer. He loves me. Stroke, stroke, stroke.

  166. You know, Tex, some people are really slow learners.

    Over and over, somebody in this ol’ world takes a look at America and says, “Those people have such a good life. They are soft and probably won’t fight.” So they attack us.

    It always happens the same way. We wring our hands, piss and moan – and then get pissed off.

    And when that happens, by god we WILL fight. And although slow to anger, when we decide to fight, America will stomp your ass into the ground with finality.

    This fatal mistake is made over and over and over. Maybe sometime they will learn. No, maybe not.

  167. Half of his responses to me these days are either ass backwards, misunderstand, misapplied, or misdirected to the wrong party. At least half the time, he completely misses the premise or quotes the wrong poster – Dawg quality retorts.

    Pure BS .. and spoken like someone who has been properly called out for letting his biases distort his perception. I’m particularly annoyed about the notion that I misdirect my comments … I do that roughly 2% of the time … because I’m damn careful to check who made the comment before I respond.

    Speaking of which … where is YellowDog?

  168. BTW, Tex back in the day I had an Indian employee who used to say “it is so great that you went to Harward”. I have to chuckle …. it took a couple of times before I understood he couldn’t pronounce Harvard. 🙂

  169. R –
    re: Harward –

    I went to a lower-mid tier college, and grad school at the same institution. One of my grad school classmates (for whom I had a perpetual erection) had graduated from Princeton; she and I had several conversations about same.

    Her comment (after looking around to see we were alone) was that, having had an education at an Ivy League school and the school we were in at the time, the Ivy League education was of a different universe. She wasn’t a blowhard (I wish!) and I puzzled about what she said for a long time.

    Would you care to comment about a Harvard education, or do you think you will catch so much shit it isn’t worth it?

  170. Video interview from this gang’s favorite source — Fox News — says that there is no conclusive evidence that courier’s identity was ascertained via torture. Notice that Herridge says this includes sources within the intelligence community, not just Diane Feinstein.

  171. Tex, the tweets are downright juvenile in their sycophantic support of the idiot’s delight known as MSNBC. Sometime back I challenged R to turn off MSNBC for 30 days, and tell us what “he” thinks/perceives. I would love for him to do it now. I mean, his radio show “leaning left,” is but a slight variation of MSNBC’s “leaning forward.” Why not Churchill’s “Keep Calm and Carry On?”

    R, I am not opposed to giving credit where credit is due. But your initial tweet was something about Obama having a lock on the election. Not “hooray for America and the brave sons of bitches that that tracked Bin Laden down, stormed his little compound, and got him.” It was an effort to rally praise Obama — the man — the one that in my estimation is more fearful of his own constituency than the our true enemies. This is the guy that I believe has pursued an agenda designed to frustrate our ability capture and destroy AQ and now is working tirelessly to capitalize on the efforts of those who are actually responsible for the success, including his predecessor in office, for political gain.

    Pride is one thing. Conceit and taking credit that is not owing are another. Rutherford wants us to lavish Obama with praise for when he can’t even control the message from his own staff about what happened.

    As far as I’m concerned this success was in spite of Obama, not because of him and his courage. Remember Obama from a few months ago — the guy that turned over the lectern to Bill Clinton in a pinch and has continuously blamed racism and the American people for his failings. Obama is about to burst with his desire to gloat. The only thing holding him back are the few handlers that have a modicum of control over his approach.

  172. Rutherford, you’re wrong. You’ve screwed the pooch at least four times on this thread alone. Your writing the posts is still quality, though incredibly boneheaded much of the time.

    But your responses back half the time are so half cocked, I have to go back and research what the hell you’re even talking about.

    You’re suffering from a clear case of shellshock. Your world has been rocked since Jan 2009. Like Obama off the teleprompter. 🙂

  173. Would you care to comment about a Harvard education, or do you think you will catch so much shit it isn’t worth it?

    The only sh*t I’ll catch is having my honesty thrown back in my face (it is inevitable).

    I’m the wrong person to ask because I wasted my parent’s hard earned money. I had NO concept of what it meant to go to college much less Harvard. I didn’t understand that it was high school … just MUCH harder. So I abandoned all the study habits I had learned. Allowed my time management skills to totally disappear. The funny thing is to look at my transcript you’d think I was a stoner. But I wasn’t … never touched a drug in my life. I just wasn’t disciplined.

    I finally got the hang of things (to be at least a decent student) by senior year and then of course it was time to leave. I have three sad claims to fame: 1) I was on the four year plan (you’d be surprised how many folks take a year off to get their head together) 2) I ended up on the cumulative Dean’s List (a distinction held by 99% of my peers); I missed getting General Honors by one “point” because I goofed off a music survey class of all things. 3) I got an A- in Expository Writing … a class where I learned my writing sucked and I worked to improve it.

    Now … to finally answer your question. My biggest regret was not taking advantage of the vast resources. I can’t speak to the quality of Harvard instructors vs instructors at the University of Alabama. Honestly, I can’t. But I can say that Harvard had a depth of research resources that you could pursue your passion and go far with it. And you could make connections that would help you launch a great post-graduate life/career.

    I actually phone interviewed Alan Dershowitz and clueless 18 year old that I was, had no idea how famous the dude was.

    So there you have it.

    P.S. Expanding on the high school-college comparison a bit, I DO believe (and call me a snob if you like) that less competitive colleges do resemble four more years of high school than some of your more competitive ones. I think the competitive ones demand a bit more emphasis on thinking, not just learning, but thinking. Just my two cents.

  174. As Rutherford is still mangling responses while cuffing the carrot of wrapped up elections, I wonder if Rutherford has taken a look at the global market’s response to all of the Osama bulls eye? ROCKED.

    Old “R” forgot the election golden rule. It’s the economy stupid.

    Listen, I want to give credit. Obama’s guides scored a 12 point buck. When Obama returned home with his trophy, he forgot to pay the mortgage, stiffed the waitress, and the water was turned off. The VISA was maxed and the 401K is depleted.

    So, Obama is still stealing from his neighbor’s garage to run to the pawn shop. The neighbor’s fawned over his stuffed head when he was dropped off, then demanded payment and told him to cut the lawn.

  175. Tigre, who asked anyone to “lavish praise” upon Obama? I asked you and Tex to have the decency to admit, as Rabbit, BiW and to a lesser degree, Gorilla have admitted that Obama got this one right. Your refusal to do so shows an unyielding bias against the man that makes your more reasonable objections to him look suspect.

  176. As for this constant meme that MSNBC tells me what to say … this is very simple. MSNBC resonates with me. When I watch it, I feel I’m hearing 80% truth, 20% spin.

    When I turn on Fox (which I do occasionally) or read conservative blogs, I feel I’m getting 80% spin and 20% truth.

    It’s really very simple.

    (And of course, your percentages are reverse. Hence why I self-identify as a liberal and you self-identify as a conservative.)

  177. R –

    Similar experience, somewhat different. I went to a small high school in the booger woods of WV coalfields. Near top of the class (of 56). Went to college, and like my older brother had said, I got by the first year on what I had learned in HS.

    The second year, first semester, I got into my major (mining engineering). All new classes, all material I had never seen. Nobody ever told me I couldn’t just study two hours the evening before the test and do just fine, like HS. Like you say, the discipline sucked. I smoked a lot of dope and screwed my girlfriend a lot – both things unavailable in HS.

    The thing I remember the most was how stressful it was, always being ready to flunk every class, knowing I was at the bottom of the heap, never having my homework ready or being ready for a test.

    I finally got my shit together and started buckling down. I would have never made it at a really good school, though. Only a handful of us from my HS class ever graduated college. It really shows how unprepared folks from the booger woods are for college. A shame really…

  178. “I asked you and Tex to have the decency to admit, as Rabbit, BiW and to a lesser degree, Gorilla have admitted that Obama got this one right. Your refusal to do so shows an unyielding bias against the man that makes your more reasonable objections to him look suspect.”

    And you say I can’t read or retain?

    Show me where I said he got this wrong. I am happy as shit with the outcome.

    It’s your reaction that is wrong, Rutherford.

  179. PFesser, after 300 hours of college, tell you my observations of some of the Ivy League type that I attended grad school with.

    I was scared to death upon entering – 40 of us in an MBA program (when it was still prestigious). Princeton, Columbia, Yale all in my graduate class – high paying jobs; big titles. I thought I’d rank hind tit being a pitiful public school graduate.

    Nope. In fact, I was more impressed with two engineering graduates from Purdue who were the top students.

    While I still think Ivy League provides an excellent education in the hard sciences, I think their reputation is based mainly on three things: (1) Endowment; (2) Graduate history; (3) Resources – throw in reputation….and you get nominated numero uno by people conducting surveys who also graduated Ivy League.

    I had one acquaintance from high school that made it into Harvard. Better than average student, but not great. He did have one advantage. His granddaddy’s company is a Fortune 500, and they have generational oodles of money (multi millions) which daddy invested properly in the college two years before my schoolmate applied.

    Funny how that worked.

    Great students, public or private, would do well at any school. Case in point. My oldest will graduate Summa Cum in two weeks from Texas A&M. Straight A’s in the university honor’s program. Very smart kid, as was her mother 30 years ago. Dad is very proud and somewhat in awe that somehow, this kid wasn’t polluted by my genome.

    And I am completely convinced she would have done the same at Harvard, Cal Tech, or Tulsa Community College. I base this on standardized testing of getting into med school. Her scores were higher than any of the Ivy League acceptance scores.

    Yes, I’m shamelessly bragging. But my daughter is certainly not unique. There’s thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of kids just like her with very average parents like me who could say the same.

    You could take the best and brightest from any public university and I guarantee they would match up to anything MIT, Harvard or Princeton can offer.

  180. Tex –

    I used to think that if I worked really hard I could do well at MIT or CalTech. Time has convinced me that my cultural background and HS education (really, really bad) were such that no amount of effort could have made me a success there. Not being modest; I don’t have any of that modesty stuff.

    My grad school required tremendous amounts of indoor time, dealing with people who were so unlike me that I couldn’t stand them. I happened to do well enough on tests that I got “above my raising” as we say here, and kept on going to school. My background is not bad, just different – and different enough to cause enough stress that it wouldn’t work well at an even more urban-type of atmosphere, with more “upper class” folks. Again, I wouldn’t trade my childhood of running the WV mountains on my motorcycle for anything, but I’m not a good fit for a more white-collar crowd.

    Anyway, I always kind of wondered what were the qualities that my friend described in an Ivy-League ed. She is actually a shrink at a state mental institution not too far from me. Maybe I should look her up for lunch one day. Her hair is gray and she looks like a current-day Carole King, but I still think she’s hot. LOL

  181. Pfesser, back to your comment about our “toughness.”

    No doubt – these Seals are cut from the same cloth of guys that were dodging bullets on Normandy, with the academic benefits and technology that make them second to none. Anybody with boots on the ground is brave in my book. Anybody working intelligence is brave in my book. Anybody that assumes risk to their well being in any capacity I admire. I even admire Obama (did I just say that) as I did G.W. It takes balls to walk into a crowd of Olympic athletes and sit after you’ve declared war on terror and we are blowing the hell out of Afghanistan. Or to walk to the mound to throw a pitch after 9/11. The odds there is at least one lose cannon sitting in that stadium are high.

    I can’t say the same for many Congressman, who suffer cardiac seizures because somebody throws a rock through their headquarters in the middle of the night.

    I have absolutely no doubt our military is as good, honorable and brave as it ever has been. But that’s not the problem.

    We don’t have Truman or Reagan in the White House. But more than that, our typical elected Congress critter is gutless. Most can’t even handle being skewered at Town Hall meetings.

  182. Pfesser, I’m in the same boat – white trash is what I call myself, who somehow married “up.” And though my mother was very bright, back then women put their men through school. I had no sphere of influence to direct me.

    I might have had the talent but not the discipline to have made something more than I did, but without any supervision, I always found the path of least resistance. That has carried over to my adult life.

    I was such a lost cause, a high school counselor told my mom I wasn’t college material. 🙂 I always wanted to return and show her my admittance letter to med school for grins. However, at that moment in time, the lady was right. I would have been much better had I joined the military to grow up, spent a few years learning discipline and authority.

    By the time college rolled around, I was able to squeeze by with grades that made me look intelligent. However, the damage was done from my formative years and I have never quite recovered from the lost years. I free admit that.

    My children had the best of K-12 education and two college educated parents – and there is no doubt, that provided a significant advantage to their higher education.

  183. Pfesser FYI…

    Though Rutherford is completely twisted in his political ideology, and sheltered with a huge dollop of naivety about the world sometimes, he’s also a very established author. I am trying to convince him that he is wasting his talent on technology.

    Rutherford picks up the mood of the nation much faster than anybody on Obama’s staff. They ought to hire him and can the rest of Obama’s advisory staff. And that’s the truth.

    Before we adversaries start dog piling him, Rutherford was actually the best progressive ‘head’ I’ve ever debated with mano a mano.

    I give Rutherford a constant berating for the abject idiocy of liberalism. I call him nasty names, slap ‘dat head, ride his ass constantly, and belittle his manhood. 😈

    And Rutherford comes out standing every time for another go around. A tougher hide I’ve never met and I think I speak for everyone here in saying that.

    Rutherford’s posts at Fat Grannies, the reasonable and balanced side of Rutherford, should be the measure of his true talents. I thought Rutherford’s responses at Fat Grannies were the best left on that entire board, and when the nags turned on him too, it was then I recognized the bottom dwelling dregs.

  184. For the inane, lying scumbags who said George Bush froze immediately after 9/11 as you try to rewrite history? Are you listening Fat Michael Al-Moore?

    Not according to the audience that was there. Think about this next time you get your news from MSNBC. Sounds to me like George Bush, the “idiot”, had a positive and profound effect on the students and a calming effect on the adults present at the Florida school that morning.

    Too bad your sorry cowards don’t have a sense of shame.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20110504/us_time/08599206932700

  185. Re: Fat Grannies’ nags.

    I stumbled on Fat Grannies last spring by accident. I noticed immediately that there was a group of folks who felt they were the gatekeepers as to who could post – and what. They were picking on anybody who had an opposing view. particularly a couple of guys there who, unlike many of THEM, had paid their dues and deserved a little respect.

    Well, I was once told by an X-ray tech friend of mine, “Boy, Doc, bullies really bring out the predator in you, don’t they?” It was true at Fat Granies also, so I spent a little time having fun and pointing out that the BBB (“Bigoted Bitch Brigade”), as I later called them, was behaving exactly like those mean old bigots they claimed to oppose. How very unladylike! How very un-liberal-like! It’s pretty easy pick’ns over there; there isn’t much intellect except for the guys I mentioned and a woman named Rae, who bailed early-on.

    Well, bullying and piling-on doesn’t work with me; the BBB, like all bullies, couldn’t take the heat so they ran away and got out of the (into the) kitchen. It was pretty funny; occasionally they would post and I would answer them, but they wouldn’t respond, of course thereby turning themselves into unarmed targets. It was great fun; I occasionally go back to pull their post-menopausal beards. Can’t let that ultralib stuff go unopposed now, can we? In all fairness I have plenty of criticism to go around for everybody, but the liberal hypocrisy crawls up my nose pretty much more than the conservative variety; don’t know why – maybe I expect better from them…LOL

    Anyway, as you have surmised, Fat Grannies became a little tedious; catty little schoolgirls is not my thing, except for spanking them, but enough about my kinks, LOL. It was a real pleasure to see R post and I followed him here. Nice to be with adults. As one of the real outliers at Fat Grannies, you can see why I object to being tied (here) to that philosophy. It ain’t so.

    Kind of a short story made short.

  186. And why did the school children and school officials need to be calmed, they didn’t know what was going on? I know what you are trying to say and to suggest, to make sure George W Bush gets his share of respect; he doesn’t need your help or mine, he is a member of an exclusive club, forty-four members. That says it all.

  187. OH Puppet, spare me your self-righteous piety and attempts at witticism. You’ve got a record. I already pegged you as a status quo, Fat Granny moonbat, worshiping at the altar of feminist jackboot politic. zzzzzzzz

    Let’s review your account of history…

    Bush turned red in the face. “Oh, he was scared!!!” Well, you were wrong.

    President Bush was savaged by hacks like you and fat imbeciles like Michael Al-Moore for seven years because Bush supposedly “froze.” This story sets the record straight.

    The man showed courage that day and everyday thereafter, many times putting himself in the cross hairs – to the point his own secret service being aghast. It’s almost offensive that shills like you want him to give him partial credit now on Bin Laden, after you actively rooted for America to be defeated in Iraq for the last five years of Bush terms. You attempted for eight years to grab a pound of flesh – the gracious winner. ** VOMIT ** Pretentious as hell.

    Bill Clinton would have never dared put his ass on the line. When busted for philandering and serial rape, he couldn’t even be honest with his own wife – hid behind her skirt as she was allowed to make a fool of herself. I’m betting that’s a man you really admire. 😉 After all, he fought for your right to kill your baby. Bravo! Clap, clap. Hoorah! He’s so fine!

    ———-

    Obviously comprehension isn’t your bag, perhaps explaining why you’re so beloved at Fat Grannies. The damn article said the kids immediately knew something was wrong. The principal before she died testified “Bush handled it perfectly.” You’re having a hard time living with that because it doesn’t fit your narrative you lemmings parroted for years trying to score political points.

    I want the truth to be remembered, so when you revert back to garden variety Fat Granny gnome in a couple of days when the thrill of something going right for Obama has worn off, when you start with the lying bitch, rank propaganda again, I can remind you of how miserable your insight.

  188. Notice how The Great Spot is such an echo chamber that yellowdog doesn’t even bother to write text anymore?

  189. Tex, you don’t know me at all, sure I’m a liberal, won’t and couldn’t deny it, so won’t bother. For one thing, all three of my pregnacies terminated in live births and all three of my children have very successful careers, that in one way or another, improve life for other Americans. One of those children is presently in Iraq, she has been there for more than a year and a half, this time. One of my step sons recently returned from his tour of duty in Iraq. I was hardly cheering for America’s defeat. I also had the good sense to marry a man who is retired from the military and the Department of Defense. And my husband thinks, I am the sweetest thing that walks the face of the earth. Can’t beat that!

  190. Echo chamber maybe, but there surely aren’t any echoes. Looks like a ghost town. Reminds me of AirAmerica.

  191. “Notice how The Great Spot is such an echo chamber that yellowdog doesn’t even bother to write text anymore?”

    Yellowbitch wrote text?

  192. Third one’s a charm?

    Ok let’s try one more time. Your vast experience in foreign affairs and military strategy supplemented by the think-tank to which you belong and with which you meet on a weekly basis. 😀

  193. That business of counting the seconds after Bush heard about 9/11 was a great example of the pettiness we now see with Obama all the time.

    The last thing I would have wanted to see in elementary school was the POTUS go batsh*t crazy and running for the door. Bush responded the right way. As a human, he probably was in f*cking shock as he sat there, but he made the right choice in his outward demeanor.

  194. While I’m on this subject of Bush, despite the slings and arrows you have shot at Obama the past couple of days, I have strongly resisted the urge to talk smack about W.

    Tigre accuses me of getting my talking points from Crazy Larry. Crazy Larry started off Monday night by counting the days that Bush did NOT find Osama and then counting the days before Obama did. I thought it was unnecessarily petty.

    One reason I wrote this post the way I did was that to some extent my heart goes out to W … not to Cheney … but to W. I think he got handed one of the worst hands in history, arguably worse than Obama because he did not inherit any of it. It was all new sh*t that just dropped on his head almost from day 1 right through to 8 years later.

    Do I think he was a great President? Hell no. But I think he cared about his country and wanted what was best for it and I sincerely hope he got some satisfaction from seeing Osama get two bullets in the head.

  195. BTW .. Tex what do you think of the asshole reporter who asks Bush about the crash right in front of the children? I had never seen that full video before.

    Sometimes the Press are jackals that should be shot. 👿

  196. One of my step sons recently returned from his tour of duty in Iraq. I was hardly cheering for America’s defeat. I also had the good sense to marry a man who is retired from the military and the Department of Defense.

    Bradley Manning’s mom, with a couple of Benedict Arnold’s in waiting.

    So why don’t you work with me to peacefully separate ourselves before we go to civil war? I’m talking about where I don’t have to look at your ilk, hear about your ilk, be around your ilk, sense your ilk, or even think about your ilk as your malodorous stench waffles through my screen Puppet.

    Because frankly, I can’t stand you, yours, or your entire ilk. I loathe you.. ♥ ♥ ♥

  197. Echo chamber maybe, but there surely aren’t any echoes. Looks like a ghost town. Reminds me of AirAmerica.

    😆 Excellent observation Pfesser. I can tell you are indeed a large step above Fat Grannies. Someday Yeller Dawg well limp in and you will see why the there are echoes – especially the ones that reverberate amongst Yeller’s ears.

  198. So you guys think Obama is a genius, hey? Won’t release the pictures – you really think that’s the smart thing to do?

    The Al-Poolmans of the world will be crawling out of the woodwork, and the Muslim world will laugh.

  199. re: R’s observation about W in the classroom after 911.

    Hear! Hear!

    I am well and truly pissed at W over many things, but that? You gotta be f’in kidding me! I thought he handled himself very well in front of a class of little ones, having been told the whole US air system was under attack.

    The massive expansion of entitlements without a plan to pay for it? Damned right. Opening two full-scale wars and doing it “off the books” Yes and hell yes. But his classroom demeanor? What?

    Even though to some degree I agreed with some of his points, I never much trusted that fat fuck filmographer, what is his name? But after his 911 film, I totally dismissed him as a serious individual. Shit like that – and him – are embarrassments to what I call “real” liberals – honorable people for whom I have great respect – people who believe what they believe, but will NOT lie to press home a point.

  200. But I think he cared about his country and wanted what was best for it and I sincerely hope he got some satisfaction from seeing Osama get two bullets in the head.

    And I think he continues to display great grace and class that I could only wish our current leader displayed.

    Meeting returning soldiers at DFW, and sincerely thanking them for their service.
    Going to Ft. Hood hours after Major Hassan when jihadi and visiting the wounded.
    Riding with serverly injured soldiers on the Wounded Warrior 100.
    I sure as hell disagreed with some of his policies and directions, but I respect him a hellava lot more than even his Daddy, Billy Jeff, Jimmy Catuhr, or the current office holder.

  201. I see poor “Helen Philpot” (cough cough), co-author of Fat Grannies, has lost a cherished love one. Wonder if it dawned on “her” Harold now resides with Osama?

    Perhaps OBL loaned “Harold” a couple of his flaming virgins upon entry…After living all these years with “Helen”, Harold certainly deserved one last stab at something other than a wrinkle.

  202. Tex, ask yourself if you would like for your lovely wive and daughters to read your last statement, knowing it was you who wrote it? Perhaps you could ask Rutherford to delete it.

  203. Yeah, that’s a damned shame about Osama and Harold.

    If they would have just listened to me and sewed his sorry ass up inside a pigskin before they fed him to the fishes, he wouldn’t have made it to paradise.

    But do they ever listen to me? Nooooooooo…………

  204. I understand our illustrious killer Pres. Obama is going to give a speech at Ground Zero tomorrow? You’ve got to be kidding me?

    Will there be cheerleaders too? I hope he pulls out the Styrofoam columns and talks about calming the rising seas in his speech. Astroturf serfs will faint and pee in their pants, while holding Obama 2012 signs – you watch.

    Sorry “R” – this President of yours, who unfortunately also happens to be my President for awhile longer, is nauseating with his ego. What’s this? A victory lap? If this is what he invited George Bush to, I can certainly understand Bush turning him down cold.

    That actually does make me retch.

  205. Tex, ask yourself if you would like for your lovely wive and daughters to read your last statement, knowing it was you who wrote it? Perhaps you could ask Rutherford to delete it.

    Guffaw! Are you kidding? From you Mom Puppet, I”ll nominate that outrage as tall cotton – it must have been outstanding.

    Take that one back to the wicked old bitch for me verbatim, the same one who likes to mock Down’s babies and their mother, and tell her there’s more to come right here on this blog. 😉

    Consider it Bush and Palin payback for eight years of you shrews traitorous, egregious and abhorrent behavior. And tell that bitch of an owner two can play her game at that honeypot of a blog.

  206. The reports released to the public, beginning with the falsified “death photo” published by the Associated Press to the stories of bin Laden using his wife as a “human shield” are, each, wilder than the rest. Each story is carefully calculated to misdirect attention from real questions of import.

    Osama bin Laden was a CIA fundraiser with no experience whatsoever in terrorist activities, military planning, weapons, explosives or leading people. Furthermore, Sibel Edmonds, former FBI translator (and VT staff writer) had, during her employment, seen documents verifying Osama bin Laden’s continued service to the United States, even on 9/11/2001. He was assisting the CIA in funding covert operations while the World Trade Center was being demolished and the documents prove it.

    Nothin’ to see here. Just a dead fundraiser…

  207. I’m glad Helen posted again. Too bad about Harold. Tex enjoys being heartless to old ladies and liberals. He is practicing his religion on them. Harold was a conservative, so that’s one less vote for the GOP next time around. 😉

    The way I see it, I’m glad Helen can go on and she may even get feistier with nobody to keep her in check. I don’t agree with her OBL assessment, but then, like most she has bought the official conspiracy version.

  208. NOP,

    Were you really naive enough from 2000-Present, that you thought you and yours could do anything you want, say anything they, that nothing was beyond the pale, and that all would be forgotten when you assumed your rightful place in power?

    You don’t read to be a dumb woman. But that conclusion is one dumb supposition.

    Fat Grannies is a monument to the Left-wing of the Dimocratic party. There is one hell of a blowback coming right at you bullies before everything shakes out. If you don’t want to be front and center of that blowback, I would suggest you not take part in the daily crucifixion, the irreligiosity, the hysteria, and most definitely not the lying rank propaganda spewed daily.

    Surely you’ve got remember some of the outrageous things you goons did against George Bush, don’t you?

    You called him a murderer. You screamed no blood for oil. You made films with Bush being assassinated while he was still in office. You call him a war criminal. You did everything you could do to discredit Bush to our enemies while he did his best to protect you. You yuck yucked with some loon tossed shoes at him. Some of you vocalized your wish for his death. You treated Bush like dirt the day he took office – and you personally are still trying to discredit the man.

    How many flicks came out of Hollywood characterizing our military as mercenaries and thugs while Iraq was still engaged? Remember when Senator Dick Durban made analogous our military and gulags? How many lies were told in conjunction with the lackeys at the U.N. about our “murdering military” and the untold millions of civilian deaths they had caused? Abu Ghraib was NYT headlines 44 days running. MSNBC became Tokyo Rose.

    What pejorative has not been said about Sarah Palin? One of you nuts too up residence next to her house. Her Down’s kid has been mocked. You gals questioned her motherhood. You’ve shredded everyone of her kids without mercy or thought. Whether you admit it or not, you are a part of that No One’s Puppet.

    I could pick a thousand different people and tell the same story. In all fairness, you should have expected that sooner or later, your political opponents weren’t going to play doormat any longer. I am amused that you would be offended at anything said about Margaret or Helen. Good grief, I’m only following Helen’s lead, and you worship at her altar.

    But it is not so humorous when the shoe is on the other foot, is it? Maybe you ought to do a little personal reflection next time you gaze at the mirror.

  209. Wizard,

    Being that when Yeller left, you inherited the mantle of R.L.’s dumbest liberal, I still try to do my part to push you to the netherland. So you’re right. Even a limp dick liberal like you deserves a measure of bitch slap.

    However, doesn’t matter if they are little, old ladies. So was Madalyn Murray O’Hare. They found what was left of Madalyn in an acid vat. Maybe Helen will meet the same fate. 😉

    Trust me pool scrubber. There is no Harold. There’s not a Conservative on earth ugly enough to be married to that goose stepper playing Helen Philpot.

    But on the chance I’m wrong, Texas won’t need Harold’s vote in 2012. And Harold can now rest in peace, assured he is done with “Helen Philpot” for eternity. Heaven assures us of that.

  210. {Obama said release of UBL death photo would “Rally opinion against the United States”}

    Isn’t this the same Senator that was adamant about release of prisoner abuse photos? The man’s hypocrisy and/or stupidity knows no bounds.

  211. A little sports humor. And if you were from where I’m from, you would more fully appreciate the joke…

    ———-

    The year is 2016 and the United States has just elected the first woman, an University of Oklahoma graduate, as President of the United States, Susan Sooner.

    A few days after the election the president-elect calls her father and says, ‘So, Dad, I assume you will be coming to my inauguration?’

    ‘I don’t think so. It’s a 30 hour drive, your mother isn’t as young as she used to be, and my arthritis is acting up again.’

    ‘Don’t worry about it Dad, I’ll send Air Force One to pick you up and take you home. And a limousine will pick you up at your door.’

    ‘I don’t know. Everybody will be so fancy. What would your mother wear?’

    Oh Dad, replies Susan, ‘I’ll make sure she has a wonderful gown custom-made by the best designer in New York.

    ‘Honey,’ Dad complains, ‘you know I can’t eat those rich foods you and your friends like to eat.’

    The President-to-be responds, ‘Don’t worry Dad. The entire affair is going to be handled by the best caterer in New York, and we will ensure your meals are salt free Dad, I really want you to come.’

    So Dad reluctantly agrees and on January 20, 2017, Susan Sooner is being sworn in as President of the United States.

    In the front row sits the new president’s Dad and Mom. Dad noticing the senator sitting next to him leans over and whispers, ‘You see that woman over there with her hand on the Bible, becoming President of the United States.

    The Senator whispers back, ‘Yes I do.’

    Dad says proudly, ‘Her brother played football at OU.’

  212. Just read…. 😆

    “After he ate (hopefully halal!) lead, Osama’s body was searched (hopefully by Muslim men!) and about 500 euros was found sewn into his clothing.

    Even the holed up terrorist was evidently shocked at what Obama’s policies have done to the dollar.”

  213. What’s this? A victory lap?

    Tex, your ass-hattery never ceases to amaze me.

    Obama is going there to share in the unbridled joy of a people denied closure/revenge/justice for a good ten years.

    And victory lap? Are you shittin’ me? You, who want us to wave photos of Osama’s corpse like a flag up and down the street?

    Oh puhhhhhhleeeeeze. 🙄

  214. Send in the clowns; I can’t believe this crap.

    Bring in Caesar in chariot, replete with the purple robe. Let roses fall before his mighty feet. Crack out the Greek columns and watch lightning flee from his majesty’s lips, teleprompter included. This isn’t a victory lap – this Obama sitting in the temple. Pure paganism. A preview of the abomination of desolation has arrived.

    El Bongo has minus yardage and four interceptions since he threw the touchdown pass. This whole episode couldn’t have been handled more poorly or obscenely. This is beyond awful.

    The only asshattery on display Rutherford is your gross hypocrisy and Obama’s alarming lack of tact, as I just proved that Obama couldn’t wait to post 2,000 pictures in making our own soldiers look bad not two years ago. The Muslim.

    Obama is a classless buffoon, with delusions of divinity. And you are one of his fawning sycophants.

  215. Obama is going there to share in the unbridled joy of a people denied closure/revenge/justice for a good ten years.

    It is hard for me to believe that somebody could be so incredibly clueless, monumentally classless, and so egotistical that they could possibly believe anybody could possibly think that Obama’s arrival at the WTC would bring unbridled joy and “closure” to the families of the victims of 9/11.

    Rutherford, truly there are times I think you are absolutely twisted…I have never met such an unedifying soul when you speak of Obama. Do you know how truly sick you sound? Your form of perverted worship of this farce is almost supernatural.

  216. I’d rather the photos not be released. I looked up at the tv and images of some of the others killed in the raid flashed on the screen. Why would those be released? What purpose does that serve? If the families of the victims of 9/11 feel they need tto see them for closure then maybe a viewing could be arranged.

  217. Tex I’m pretty sure that the historically correct fiction is that Margaret’s husband is a Republican, not that Helen’s husband is a Conservative.

    I don’t believe any of that anyway. It’s like discussing whether elves eat Keebler cookies in real life.

    The OU joke is clever.

  218. There were no weapons on the dead people according to photos from the scene. That’s what’s the latest coming from a link from the link Tex posted. Got to polish these heroic deeds before releasing ’em to the public. Typical 9/11 style evidence gatherin’ techniques, I see. Tell me again…

  219. Why?

    “Until Wednesday, the White House debated whether to release photos showing Osama bin Laden’s body. In theory, the photos would be proof to any doubters that the terrorist is dead. But not all photos can be believed — not even when they seem to show the president of the United States making a historic speech.

    Reuters White House photographer Jason Reed describes how the president made his speech to a single TV camera, then immediately after finishing, he pretended to speak for the still cameras.

    Reed writes:

    “As President Obama continued his nine-minute address in front of just one main network camera, the photographers were held outside the room by staff and asked to remain completely silent. Once Obama was off the air, we were escorted in front of that teleprompter and the President then re-enacted the walk-out and first 30 seconds of the statement for us.”

    That means the photograph that appeared in many newspapers Monday morning of Obama speaking may have been the staged shot, captured after the president spoke.”

  220. But, but, but…

    (The Washington Times) — The White House is spending tens of thousands of dollars on a public relations firm headed by Democratic image maker Michael Sheehan — once dubbed by Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton as an “extraordinary media coach” who helped her master the teleprompter.

    Mr. Sheehan’s firm, Sheehan Associates, could receive more than $100,000 under a current contract and has been providing occasional speech and consulting services to the White House since 2009, federal purchasing records show.

    Although Mr. Sheehan has a reputation of helping politicians look good speaking in public, neither his firm nor its White House client has anything to say about the contracting arrangement. Sheehan Associates failed to respond to telephone and email inquiries about the hiring arrangement this week and last, as did the White House press office.

    Spending records show that the company was hired under three contracts since late 2009 and has received a total of $60,000. The records variously describe the company as providing “speech preparation training,” “speech writing services” and “speech coaching services.”

  221. The Hill) — House Republicans on the Energy and Commerce Committee raised concerns at a Tuesday hearing that White House staffers hold meetings at a nearby Caribou Coffee to avoid disclosure requirements.

    “White House staff apparently purposely schedule meetings at the Caribou Coffee around the corner from the White House so that those meetings won’t show up on the White House logs,” said Rep. Cliff Stearns (R-Calif.), chairman of the Oversight subcommittee.

    Republicans portrayed the White House as failing to live up to campaign promises on transparency.

    Stearns pointed to President Obama, who as a candidate said healthcare negotiations would air on C-SPAN, an idea that never came to fruition.

    “This president has apparently gone out of his way to avoid transparency even though he said he would be transparent,” Rep. Joe Barton (R-Texas) said.

  222. “Reports are emanating from across that globe that Osama Bin Laden, the most wanted terrorist was unarmed when he was captured by the Americans. However he was shot dead, execution style. There are reports that he was shot dead in the head.”

    Well, as we say down here, Sumbitch! Shit hell fire! Sorry-assed marksmen, anyway!

    Every hunter knows what to do! They should’a gutshot the cocksucker and let him writhe in agony for ten, fifteen hours as his bowel contents slowly spilled into his peritoneal cavity and digested his innards.

    With a few bags of saline running in his veins to keep his blood pressure up, hell, he could have lasted maybe even a whole day.

    What’s wrong with these people, anyway? They could have videotaped the whole thing. Now, THERE’s some real closure for you…

    But do they listen to *me*??? Noooooooooo…….

  223. WASHINGTON — Intelligence garnered from waterboarded detainees was used to track down al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden and kill him, CIA Chief Leon Panetta told NBC News on Tuesday.

    “Enhanced interrogation techniques” were used to extract information that led to the mission’s success, Panetta said during an interview with anchor Brian Williams. Those techniques included waterboarding, he acknowledged.

    Panetta, who in a 2009 CIA confirmation hearing declared “water-boarding is torture and it’s wrong,” said Tuesday that debate about its use will continue.

    “Whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always gonna be an open question,” Panetta said.

    “In the intelligence business you work from a lot of sources of information and that was true here,” Panetta said. “We had a multiple source — a multiple series of sources — that provided information with regards to the situation. Clearly some of it came from detainees and the interrogation of detainees but we also had information from other sources as well.”

    Panetta’s comments hours after Attorney General Eric Holder defended as lawful Tuesday the intelligence gathering and raid that resulted in the death of al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden.

  224. (Evening Standard) — A boy who lives near Osama Bin Laden’s Pakistani hideout told today how he would regularly visit the al Qaeda leader’s family.

    Zarar Ahmed, 12, is a resident of the small town of Abbottabad, not far from the compound where Bin Laden had been hiding with relatives and associates for the past five years until his death at the weekend.

    Zarar told how the family had even given him a gift of two rabbits during one of his visits to the $1 million home. He said: “I used to go to their house. He had two wives, one spoke Arabic, and the other one spoke Urdu. They had three children, a girl and two boys. They gave me two rabbits.

    “They had installed a camera at the outer gate so they could see people before they entered the house.”

  225. “Ok let’s try one more time. Your vast experience in foreign affairs and military strategy supplemented by the think-tank to which you belong and with which you meet on a weekly basis.”

    Bingo! And we were discussing at our meeting this morning how Obama’s desire to capitalize on the op for politcal gain will backfire and prove to be an embarassment yet again.

    R, do you see it coming?

    Bubbles Bromsky said on MSNBC that Obama is now “a different man, a decisive commander” (or something to that effect), and because of the op the right will now have to contend with him from a position of respect.

    What say you?

  226. Tex @ 263 was one of your best rants. All I gotta say is “damn skippy.” On a deeper level, you’ve stated some of the reasons that I can’t stand R’s pleas that we acknowledge Obama’s “courageous” act. I can’t go there with this guy. Real courage means something different to me than what Obama’s minions are trying to portray — as always.

  227. think that Obama’s arrival at the WTC would bring unbridled joy

    Tex, you are a living testament to why a 50+ year old man should not attempt to do post-graduate work. Either the eyes or the brain just don’t work like they used to.

    When did I ever say Obama would “bring joy” to the WTC crowd? You even blockquoted me … and still got it wrong. I said “share in the unbridled joy”. The implication, not very hard to surmise if you’re not trigger happy with your rhetoric, is that they are already joyful and Obama is just there to share in the festive atmosphere.

    It’s kinda like your going to your kids graduation. You don’t bring a damn thing to the event but your love and desire to share in your kid’s achievement. It’s not about you. And contrary to what you think, the trip to WTC is not about Obama … it’s about their closure.

    Damn … you’re delaying my breakfast with this foolishness.

  228. If Panetta (or Patreaus) says he’s dead, I don’t need to see the pictures. But the reason for not showing them (that having them “floating around as an incitement to additional violence or as a propaganda tool”) is beyond lame. I think they should be released. With all due respect to Muffy, arranging a viewing and determining who should be entitled to travel and attend is too unwieldy to provide a reasonable balance.

    I also got to thinking about the burial ceremony and believe it was most appropriate. Osama deserved no dignity whatsoever after he entombed thousands of innocent US citizens who will never receive a proper burial. However, reflecting on our actions in doing so I’ve come to realize the significance of the our own dignity of showing that we are better people then the hideous creature that we terminated.

  229. “. . . the trip to WTC is not about Obama … it’s about their closure.”

    R, everything is about Obama.

    Perhaps Obama will visit the proposed mosque to help those that were directly affected “get over it?” (I believe those were your words)

  230. Rutherford, when you’re busted, you are absolutely one of the world’s worst, most transparent liars. Give it up. And I said LIAR. I don’t “NUANCE” my words like you “CLEVER” libs.

    When did I ever say Obama would “bring joy” to the WTC crowd? You even blockquoted me … and still got it wrong. I said “share in the unbridled joy”. The implication, not very hard to surmise if you’re not trigger happy with your rhetoric, is that they are a…

    Hmm..must be some of that “nuanced” language, depending on what the word “is”, is. And I suppose the 9/11 families can “share” in the closure too?

    Listen. To you bunch of demagogues who never leave the campaign stump, you can’t stage another Bush moment, trying to capitalize on “Obama’s” momentum. That was a spontaneous second in time – not planned, not staged. Obama’s sick pursuit of drama is grotesque in its nature.

    Again, it is really offensive. It’s completely phony and decadent. I understand Obama finds Ground Zero so reverent, this is first trip there. The man is a phony and an empty suit.

    This is why you poor, pitiful souls turn funerals (Wellstone) into orgies. You don’t understand reverence, or true worship. There’s nothing Holy to you. Everything is political and self-serving. You’re a people of unsound mind and incredibly weak. The moment we leave you, and it is imminent, you will collapse within days, just like you ran to the churches after 9/11. I laughed at your weakness then; I retch at your opportunism now.

  231. “Bin Laden had already been “dead for months,” and that the government was waiting for the most politically expedient time to roll out his corpse. Pieczenik would be in a position to know, having personally met Bin Laden and worked with him during the proxy war against the Soviets in Afghanistan back in the early 80′s”

    Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job.

    Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a “conspiracy theorist”. He served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations, Nixon, Ford and Carter, while also working under Reagan and Bush senior, and still works as a consultant for the Department of Defense. A former US Navy Captain, Pieczenik achieved two prestigious Harry C. Solomon Awards at the Harvard Medical School as he simultaneously completed a PhD at MIT.

    Recruited by Lawrence Eagleburger as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Management, Pieczenik went on to develop, “the basic tenets for psychological warfare, counter terrorism, strategy and tactics for transcultural negotiations for the US State Department, military and intelligence communities and other agencies of the US Government,” while also developing foundational strategies for hostage rescue that were later employed around the world.

    Pieczenik also served as a senior policy planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker and worked on George W. Bush’s election campaign against Al Gore. His record underscores the fact that he is one of the most deeply connected men in intelligence circles over the past three decades plus.

    The character of Jack Ryan, who appears in many Tom Clancy novels and was also played by Harrison Ford in the popular 1992 movie Patriot Games, is also based on Steve Pieczenik.

  232. Tigre,

    I could have written every word of #290, except for the part where I would be disagreeing with myself. 🙂

    “But the reason for not showing them (that having them “floating around as an incitement to additional violence or as a propaganda tool”) is beyond lame.”

    Too right. Pure BS. I also don’t think releasing them would end the ID controversy either, and I really don’t care if the the deathers ™ aren’t satisfied anyway.

    “I also got to thinking about the burial ceremony and believe it was most appropriate.”

    Yeah it has clicked for me too. It feels right.

  233. Reports are emanating from across that globe that Osama Bin Laden, the most wanted terrorist was unarmed when he was captured by the Americans. However he was shot dead, execution style. There are reports that he was shot dead in the head.

    Wizard, I know better, but I’ll play since I’m the only one still dumb enough to pay attention to your conspiracies anymore.

    ======

    Who cares? So much the better. That way, the bastard had a moment to think about it before they put that bullet in his head. I hope they did kill him execution style, right out of Godfather. I hope they mocked him before they pulled that trigger with a couple of blanks.

    That’s why I want the pictures released. I want those pictures waved in the faces of those who danced in the streets after 9/11, with a promise they’ll join him if they keep dancing. Don’t give me that baloney about “enraged.” Those goat humpers stay in a perpetual stage of rage. That’s what happens when you live for demon allah.

    I would have preferred they sawed OBL’s head off with a dull blade and mounted the trophy impaled on the White house fence, but I’m sure time was of the essence.

    When are you idiots going to understand that the only way to to defeat terrorism is to terrorize the terrorists…you burn them like Hiroshima with the promise we’ll be back at a time of our choosing.

    Let these jihadists live in constant fear of a daisy cutter landing on their heads. Did we learn nothing from WWII?

  234. WASHINGTON (Reuters) — The number of Americans filing for jobless benefits rose to an eight-month high last week and productivity growth slowed in the first quarter, clouding the outlook for an economy that is struggling to gain speed.

    High five and congratulate one another- its truly good news- but this is what 2012 will be about…

  235. Now: let’s get back to more fun.

    Ayman al-Zawahiri. Say, bud, what do you think YOUR life is worth right about now? A bag of goat turds?

    (have to use terms they understand)

    You are next. Have a nice day.

  236. “I could have written every word of #290, except for the part where I would be disagreeing with myself.”

    I would hope your grammar would better. Sheesh. I wish I hadn’t gone back and looked.

  237. “I would hope your grammar would ‘be’ better.”

    Ah, to hell with it. You guys have all managed to figure out my gibberish and poorly written comments.

    “Reading and retaining” is another matter.

  238. What say you?

    Tigre, I say that much to your dismay Obama has put a huge dent in the “timid, indecisive CiC” meme.

    Obama has now made the 2012 fight purely about the economy and jobs because there is just no way a Mitt Romney is going to go after him on foreign policy.

    Now, he MAY lose the election on economy and jobs. I’m not nearly that confident on that. But when it comes to kicking ass internationally, all the hawks have been silenced. We’ll need another major strike against America to undo the Osama kill.

  239. Tigre, you DO realize the contradiction in your own position don’t you?

    We tossed Osama in the sea to prevent a shrine from being built around his grave. Why would we then publish photos which also serve as a great propaganda symbol for the enemy?

    Consistency, my good man, consistency.

  240. R –

    Everything is a compromise, depending on the goal you want to attain, and not releasing the photos is a judgment call, balancing multiple goals; I understand that. I really see the point of being able to say, “We are not like you.” Understood.

    Goddammit, though, man! I want to see that head on a pike so bad I can taste it.

    It is really, really good that I am not king of the world. Really good.

  241. I was thinking about two scenes the other night from the Gulf War. Will stick in my mind forever.

    We bombed these poor bastards in Saddam’s ditches for 35 days in row. Wasn’t any of this “precision” bombing either. General Norman (the guy who I wish would run for President) pulled out the B-52s and we strafed those mofos hour after hour, day after day. I mean this was true hell on earth – sucked their lungs right out of their chests, their damn ears ringing from the concussion of the blasts for better than a month.

    And I can still remember those poor, dumb bastards who somehow survived crawling to the feet of our soldiers. I mean crawling on their bellies, begging for mercy.

    And the “Highway of Death.” Charred carcasses in burned out boxes for miles; complete annihilation.

    Here is where I fault George Bush and it pisses me off to this day. He was talked into negotiation. We were going to take these jihadi types alive. Are you kidding me?

    We dropped a daisy cutter in one of those canyons at Tora Bora and I know for a fact, which I heard with my own ears, those jihadists screaming and wailing for allah over the radio – it’s well documented fact. The most vivid memory after the fact is the shoe hanging from a limb in the charred tree. Our special forces were within 500 yards of Osama Bin Laden. They could pinpoint his approximate location.

    Why did we drop just one fuel air bomb? Why didn’t we fill the skies with 15,000 lbs fuel air bombs like rain drops, and lit that entire mountain on fire? Anything that burrowed, crawled, flew, walked, or ran would have been a charred image on a newly blasted boulder.

    That’s how you treat jihadists people. That’s how you win the war on terrorism. China understands this. Russia understands this.

    I’m tired of this b.s. about “we’re better than that.” That’s why were dead Americans. War is ugly and its hell. The purpose is to destroy your enemy – not garner a truce.

    We better wake up and let the military start conducting these campaigns without the politics and without the pretentious correctness, or we are going to find ourselves exterminated with a couple of nukes parked in our cities and some Osama wannabee with his finger on the button.

    Pull out Patton flick and watch the first five minutes. He tells you everything you need to know.

  242. Radiologist? I thought you said that W. Virginny educated killed you? Sounds like you did all right to me PFesser. I actually wish my daughter would take a harder look at radiology, but she said, “It is boring.” I said, “money and time are never boring.”

    Even worse, now makes me feel like a schlub in stopping the med process myself. I only took the introductory course in diagnostic imaging and grew a healthy respect for radiology – wasn’t worth a shit at it. 🙂

    Some old radiologist put a CT of the lower G.I. tract without telliing me it was the lower intestine and said, “Well, what do you think this is son?”

    I said, “the middle.” He smiled and said, “Ah,we’ll get you there.” 😈

  243. Goddammit, though, man! I want to see that head on a pike so bad I can taste it.

    It is really, really good that I am not king of the world. Really good.

    I think I’m going to like you. 🙂 A man after my own heart.

  244. “Yep, radiologist. Et tu?”

    Nein. I’m a liar. . . I mean lawyer, remember?

    (well, I did have two medical doctors in my law school class).

  245. “Tigre, you DO realize the contradiction in your own position don’t you?”

    None whatsoever. I posted a comment at Biw”s place. In response to your question about the value of releasing it, I said:

    “There’s another purpose too. It’s the same as why we have open casket funerals and invite victim’s families to attend the execution of the convicted murderer.”

    Shrine around a photo of the piece of shit’s corpse? Than I say Shrine away.

    (I don’t think you read or retained my prior comment — I was talking about the “funeral” not the location of the dumping of the body).

  246. So Poolman, I guess I’d just have to ask, after such an illustrious career, what made Mr. Pieczenik (Peacenik??) go bonkers?

    He is just one of many experts who are in the know that actually have insider information to the fact that we are all being duped. There are plenty from past administrations and former intelligence community members that are trying to inform. But it is too difficult to go against the full flow of the disinformation campaign. It is amazing to me how easy we are all being controlled and believe what the MSM tells us. We’re doomed. It is just a matter of watching it play out…

  247. Fricking unbelievable…we’ve already returned to the world of Presidential Incompetence that has been foisted on the American public and we’ve grown accustomed.

    Obama Floats Plan to Tax Cars By The Mile

    http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/159397-obama-floats-plan-to-tax-cars-by-the-mile

    Just in time for the $5.00 a gallon gasoline, El Bongo dreams up the “mileage surcharge.” My Lawd, we’re already taxed for a mileage surcharge – it is called a federal excise tax.

    Just what in the hell is the fuel tax on gasoline and diesel asshole? Are the American people really this stupid to elect this sham again? Please so no.

  248. If I was voting today, Ron Paul would be my choice. After the past few days of outright and blatant lies, I will have a hard time voting for Obama. I mean, politics is one thing. I expect a spin from these sleazy salesmen. But in-your-face purposeful deception goes beyond what I am willing to overlook. I don’t care if your own life is at stake. Integrity has to account for something. It sure has been difficult to continue lifting these folks in prayer…

  249. Russia understands this.

    Help me with that. Russia failed in Afghanistan too. In fact I can’t recall Russia having any recent military victories of note. I’d almost call them a forgotten superpower if it weren’t for the fact they still have nukes.

  250. (I don’t think you read or retained my prior comment — I was talking about the “funeral” not the location of the dumping of the body).

    Ahhhh must have been too nuanced for me. 😉 I don’t separate the funeral from the final disposition of the body.

  251. Ask Chechnya – you’ll figure it out.

    The Osama Scorecard – you’ll be needing this in the coming days to keep the Hero Obama’s glory days situated. Good thing the military shoots straight – Obama damn sure can’t.

    1) There was a firefight.
    2) There was no firefight.
    3) Bin Laden was “resisting.”
    4) Bin Laden wasn’t armed. (Makes the concept of “resisting” interesting.)
    [4.a) And the newest one: the SEALS thought bin Laden was reaching for a weapon.]
    5) He used his wife as a shield.
    6) His wife was killed too.
    7) He didn’t use his wife as a shield. She ran at a SEAL who shot her in the leg, but she’s fine.
    8 ) Some other woman — the maid? — was used as a shield. By somebody. Downstairs.
    9) That other woman — downstairs — was killed.
    10) Maybe not. She was killed unless she wasn’t — and who was she, anyway?
    11) Bin Laden’s son was killed.
    12) Unless it was some other guy.
    13) Bin Laden’s daughter saw him get killed. She’s undoubtedly traumatized, poor dear.
    14) They were going to capture Bin Laden until the problem with the helicopter, which was:

    A) It had mechanical trouble
    B) It did a hard landing
    C) It crashed
    D) It clipped a wall with a tail rotor, effectively a crash

    15.) They were never going to try to capture him; it was always a kill mission.
    16.) No, it wasn’t.
    17) The chopper blew up.
    18) The SEALs blew it up.
    19.) Panetta said yesterday the world needed proof and the photo would be released.
    20.) Obama said today in an interview he taped with Steve Kroft for “60 Minutes” to be broadcast Sunday that it won’t be released. It’s too gruesome, would offend Muslim sensibilities (something he worries about a lot — I personally do not give a warm fart on a wet Wednesday about Muslim sensibilities), and how would Americans feel if Muslims released pictures of dead Americans?
    21.) Kroft — who’s not a total idiot — pointed out that ever since “Black Hawk Down” days, Muslims have been doing precisely that, filming American bodies being dragged through the streets, filming Daniel Pearl’s head being cut off, filming any and everything.
    22) Obama gets pissed at CBS, the tape gets cleaned up, that question disappears. (Inside info.)
    23.) We got a “treasure trove” of stuff from hard drives, etc.
    24.) There were no phone lines, and no internet access at the “mansion,” they didn’t even have TV — what “treasure trove?”
    25.) There is obviously in the pictures of the place a large satellite dish. I guess they used it for making salads.
    26.) And now, just today: apparently the idea was to capture him, but only if he was naked. There was a suspicion he might be wearing a suicide bomber type explosive vest, or belt. So if he’s not naked and you can’t see if he has a vest on or not – shoot him.

    More to come…. 🙂

  252. Tex –

    Re: rads. I mostly went to med school because I was told I had no chance to get in, after three semesters of worsening grades. I had majored in mining engineering because that was all anybody in my little town knew as a “higher up job.” I just did what I was advised to do, and majored in that, but I hated it. My lifelong buddy/college roomie and I sat one night for about eight hours discussing how much dope we were smoking and how poorly we were doing, vis a vis how well we had done in our pitiful little high school. We both decided we needed to make a change; he quit and sold drugs.

    I couldn’t bear the thought of disappointing my father – I know this sounds strange – because he was so old. That is the best I can do to explain it – it was because I was his last child and none of the others had gone to college; he had worked SO hard in the mines and he was a worn-out old man. I just couldn’t quit, but I had worked in the mines in the summer and I knew I did not want to live in a coal camp my whole life, so my buddy and I decided we were going to see if we really had it or were just kidding ourselves.

    I decided on med school because it was the highest goal I could think of at the time. Visited the associate dean, who told me – in a very nice way – that my chances were very, very low. He did me a great, great favor by telling me the unpleasant truth rather than the pleasant lie – which I am sure he was tempted to do.

    Fast forward: Rads – we took preference tests in school. I was suited for surgery, rads, OB, supposedly. We also looked at data: ten years out the only doctors who were satisfied were the radiologists. Viola. Decision made. Just like that.

    Tell your daughter to get here head out of her rump. Medicine is getting less and less fun every day, but when the ship slips under the waves, the rads will be riding the conning tower. I KNOW WHEREOF I SPEAK. Tell her to be her own man (woman) and ignore the assholes who are pushing her into the unhappiness of surgery, medicine, peds (god), et al, so she can feel like a “real doctor.” I feel it every day when I go home at 5 and drink toddies sitting by my pond, watching the Mexican yard men making it all beautiful for me.

    As I like to say, not PC, but I am way beyond that. Tell her I said Wise Up.

  253. Well Poolman, I kinda believe Jim Miklaszewski of NBC when he says you NEVER get the real story on a covert mission in its immediate aftermath. The true details come out slowly thereafter. The only fault I can find is why the White House couldn’t say “details will follow when we know more.”

    I will say I am taking a kind of perverse delight in watching my fellow liberals squirm at the notion that only one of the folks killed in the raid was actually armed. On my more badass days, I kinda agree with Tex. You kill unmercifully until you get an unconditional surrender, and then and only then do you play nice.

  254. Pfesser, I hope you don’t find this comment at your expense but one of the reasons your presence here delights me is its effect upon Tex.

    You’re JUST conservative and intelligent enough for Tex not to dismiss you. In fact, some of your comments fill him with joy. BUT some of your other stances disgust him to the core.

    Not since Huck, have I seen Tex exhibit such split-personality-syndrome in dealing with an RL Blog denizen. It truly warms the cockles of my heart. 😀

  255. Tex … you DO know your Osama score card just fed right into Poolman’s conspiracy theories. Is there a web site where he can go to get you a tin-foil hat? 😀

  256. Doc,

    That response, though appreciated, ebbed and flowed so much, you kind of lost me. I understand the Mexican part and the toddies. It’s the future where you through me.

    I appreciate the UN PC (we can handle that), but I couldn’t make heads or tails of sitting in the conning tower was do the firing or the sitting duck waiting to be blasted. Say the “experts” to cut costs start shipping the views to India for evaluation. The technology is there to do that. What then? I can see radiologists waiting tables and begging for tips.

    After shadowing doctors since high school, from obgyn to radiologists, to plastic surgery, there’s a few she’s ruled out – a few adamantly. Said she’d sell fruit before being a pediatrician.

    Peds, OBGYN, surgery of any type, anesthesia to name a few.

    To me, anesthesia is the biggest bang for the buck, if you’re simply in it for the money.

    But this kid is not motivated by dollars in the least. Crazy, I know. Idealistic perhaps. Naive maybe. But she’s cut from a different mold than the savant idiots I was going to medical school with. I learned if you hate what you’re doing, money becomes a very short term motivator. She learned that much earlier than I did.

    Her dream is to have horses with packs of dogs that run wild and a front porch. Her beau is also in med school (internal medicine, yuck). I can’t believe they’re going to be starving anytime soon, though.

  257. Hey dummy. That “scorecard” are the “facts” your geniuses bestow on us from minute to minute. The “facts” change within the hour.

    Oh Rutherford, how you’ve grown to hate me. 😈

    Didn’t watch the Princess Katherine gathering, hey? But I do consider a Obama a teletubby of sorts. The gay ones… 🙂

  258. R –

    Tex sort of hit on something in one of his earlier posts; I am really trying to in some way be a different person from the one at Fat Grannies.

    That place never suited me; I have little patience for people who do not practice a little self-reflection and just spout the party line, as if beating the drum does *anything* to convince someone with decent intelligence. It’s insulting, really.

    Folks here suit me just fine. Hard-nosed sonofabitches, but perfectly willing to at least think about what everyone else has to say. Because so many at Fat Grannies were willing to lie to themselves, I finally got to the point that I just played the game to win – which of course over there is pretty easy; the average intellect is quite low – but that is not what I really want. It’s like beating an old dog.

    So here, I am trying to stick to the subject and leave the digs behind; sometimes I get exorcised and may blow a gasket, but I am trying. That is all there is to it.

  259. “Obama Floats Plan to Tax Cars By The Mile”

    I guess lower and middle class people don’t drive. Because I distinctly remember Obama saying he would not make those people pay more in taxes.

    He didn’t say “read my lips…” But he came damn close.

  260. Tex –

    Sorry; I’m at work and didn’t really get to look at my post.

    What I meant is that medicine is rapidly getting to the point that all the years of work and horrific expense is not worth it, and I liken it to a ship that is sinking. When it does, and it will, the rad guys will be the last to go under. (sitting on the con).

    I do a kind of free therapy business in my office every day. (I actually have a couch!) There is a female surgeon who comes down at least twice a week for me to offer her encouragement; she is SO unhappy. And she is not the only one. I sit here, look at pictures and listen to Big Band radio on my Mac. When it is 5 I go home. I can without reservation say that I am the only happy doc in my hospital.

  261. Regarding the topic of photos and other forms of proof regarding the claim that OBL has been killed…let’s look at it from another angle….

    Just a couple weeks after sitting President George W. Bush announced his intention to seek another term in office, the Commander-in-Chief came onto the world’s television sets and proclaimed to the world, “We have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.” The president went on to tell of a covert mission, in which WMD materials were found, taken, and disposed of. The president said, “We performed a quick swab test of the material and it proved to be WMD material. We then considered what to do with it. But this material is so dangerous, than nobody seemed to want to take it off our hands, so we dumped it into the ocean.” Pictures of the material are said to have been taken, however the Bush Administration claims they are too upsetting to be shown, and may spark violence in other countries.

    As Navy Seals swooped down onto the materials site, the President was heard to say, “we got them!” As part of his celebratory “Mission Accomplished” tour, President Bush plans on visiting Ground Zero and then Baghdad.

    —————————–

    We know damn well the world would not have bought 1 ounce of that story from George Bush. So why is Obama any different? Proof would have been required for any claim that WMD had been found. That it was never found makes Bush a liar in the eyes of many. Why is Obama any different?

  262. “Obama has now made the 2012 fight purely about the economy and jobs because there is just no way a Mitt Romney is going to go after him on foreign policy.”

    R, you think this is viewed as “foreign policy?” Or are you saying what you rejected that this was a “go versus no-go decision that absolves him of all sins? While we’re still trying to understand his position on Libya, Syria, Egypt, Iran, etc., etc.?

    I’ll wager you a “virtual six-pack of beer” that the euphoria will wear off and Obama will have to contend with his actual lack of accomplishments.

    It would make my leg tingle for Obama to harp on Osama’s assassination as his point of departure for dialogue concerning our foreign policy.

    So am I correct that you agree with Bubbles Brzezinski that Obama is a “different man?”

  263. Tigre,

    Rutherford is so, so naive. Child like, really. All liberals are.

    Here, the entire middle east is erupting, and our clueless in command has his thumb up his ass, parading and celebrating the death of one rendered irrelevant jihadi at a place he never cared visit until today. Render into Caesar – I had to change back to the Nero gravatar in honor of Rutherford.

    Symbolic? Absolutely. A foreign policy coup? ** Guffaw **

    Mahmoud quickly approaches weapons grade plutonium. China screws us over and owns us. Putin calls Obama a lightweight. South America turns communist. Our foreign policy doesn’t exist. There is no foreign policy. Osama is serendipity.

    Rutherford’s world is going to turn upside down, and he doesn’t even know it. And what is Rutherford contemplating? A poll bump, election odds, and getting even with Tex. 🙄

  264. Huck, #330 – as my mom says, “Well shut my mouth and call me shutmouth.” I see your point.

    Tigre – my writing goofs are nothing compared to the knots I tie myself in verbally. I picked up that Strunk & White book recently to try and refresh on the grammar, but at this point it’s all I can do to remember that grammar is spelled with an “a.” …I think… I’m guessing they stress grammar in law school, ya?

    Rutherford, think you could give a heads up before you put up your next post? Evidently I’m going to wait until the last possible minute to tell you that your article was classy and thoughtful. Also a typically accurate harbinger of what aspects of the current event that the nation would be talking about in the coming days. And that you have resisted many urges in the past few days to talk smack about Bush. Also very classy and a remarkable display of self-control.

    “It truly warms the cockles of my heart.”

    LOL. Mine too Rutherford. They are twice as entertaining together, aren’t they. And you just know that at any moment we’ll be diving under the tables again to avoid getting splashed or hit with a beer bottle.

    “I don’t get it. They all look like teletubbies.”

    OK that one caused a literal LOL.

  265. Pfesser,

    Thanks for clearing that up. You could be right. Radiology and Dermatology – a medical school wet student’s dream. Good hours; big bucks. But no doubt the money isn’t what it used to be.

    Of course, there are a couple of provisos. First, you ask me, the last man on the sinking ship is one whose services are hands on and can’t be rented out. Medicine is like oil – there is no viable substitute. Medicine is the ultimate inelastic demand curve.

    Where I know you’re right is the happiness factor. When I told corporate America to kiss my ass (the only ass I ultimately kissed was my own), and started the pursuit of a medical degree in freshman level classes at 44, there were only three people who tried to talk me out of it: (1) My mom; (2) My two physicians, PCP and cardiology. I should have listened. I hated it once I made it in.

    But if I were young, that situation could have been very different. There is going to be a huge shortage of physicians in about ten years, if there isn’t already. So if security means anything…

    And my daughter enjoys the hands on. She may live to hate it when she gets a taste of the real world, but at the young age of 21, you can’t tell her that.

    Sad thing is the kid is so damn smart, she could have been anything she wanted to be. I hope she hasn’t made a huge mistake.

  266. When 9/11 went down, they had the story to you right away. Each piece was meticulously added to the central theme as evidence was sought to prove it. It was molded in our collective psyche. It united us in spirit. It is that same story all of you still hold to today.

    When we took out the pirates. Noble and heroic. We had the pics, the plan, the witnesses, the video and the real story. No change-ups. No theatrics. There were questions regarding character later, but not disputing the factual events of the day.

    Now look at this monstrosity. We can’t even get the official story straight. Tex pointed it out over and again. But don’t stop there. Take advantage of this “patriotic” moment and run with it for all it’s worth. Don’t let an opportunity go to waste. Especially one we are so heavily invested in.

    Now with a ceremony at GZ we are symbolically burying 9/11 serving justice as the notion de jour. A real Kodak moment for the world. 😐

  267. Muffy, I don’t think you’re reading Rutherford correctly. There isn’t any self-control required and in fact, I think the tacit hint to Bush in Rutherford’s post was patronizing as hell.

    This is the gloating winner of the blog Super Bowl (or so he thinks) being gracious in victory. Which thug on the street after the 7th game win isn’t gracious? If football players who can compare an NFL lockout to slavery can do it, Rutherford more than capable of the faux acknowledgement.

    It’s easy to offer credit when you believe you’re on top of the world, but a little harder to explain after eight years of talking smack before the game starts.

    —-

    Tell you what. I’ll make you the virtual bet like Tigre. The first time Obama’s poll numbers begin to drop, the next time something goes wrong, or the economy tanks, or Obama becomes the token President instead of the ultimate war hero (cough cough) and Rutherford pens one of his beauties in a tiff, I’ll bet we don’t get through one thread in his defense of Obama before the name George Bush comes up in the pejorative. Wanna make a virtual bet?

    I’ve been around here way too long to not understand Mr. Rutherford’s ultimate mission and mindset.

    It ain’t pretty. 🙂

  268. “There is no foreign policy. Osama is serendipity.”

    Please, please, please let Obama use this event as his response to his incoherent foreign policy. It will be jammed so far up his patootie it will come out of his mouth.

    Or is there some “nuance” my conservative brain doesn’t recognize?

  269. “I’m guessing they stress grammar in law school, ya?”

    Not really. But it’s demanded of you as a practitioner.

  270. “Wanna make a virtual bet?”

    Oh Hell no. 😀 I may be fool enough to think the man sincere but I’m not fool enough to bet that any measure of good will out there from anybody toward Bush can last, much less if 2012 is at stake.

    Ugh. I just forward flashed to 2012. Any way you slice it, that’s going to be savage.

  271. 2012 will be really ugly Muffy. Your concerned flash to 2012 is well placed.

    The race card is going to be drawn in every quarter. The media will bend down on two knees and lie, exaggerate, spin, market, propagandize anything and everything to put Obama in a positive light – ’08 x 100. No matter how dismal Obama has been as President – the absolute worst; worse than Jimmy Carter, Obama will be compared to FDR and Abe LIncoln.

    That’s why Rutherford is so mightily attempting to make Osama death more than it really is. This is Obama’s only claim to success. Obamacare has become anchor tied to his weak ass. Besides that, everything else has been an unmitigated disaster. The economy is circling the drain. Our foreign policy is a appeasing joke.

    And if the Republican candidate is weak and the election very close, and if by chance Obama happens to get beat in a tight election, charges of cheating will be broadcast, again carried by the media and the riots will ensue…

    Ugly may not do justice…

  272. Have I mentioned I have a crush on Shannon Bream, the foxiest of the FOX ladies? What a doll. Martha too.

    If either would take me, I’d throw it all away….including the world’s best wife.

    I figure I’d need about a week to kill myself – but it would be a hell of a week.

  273. Oh Rutherford, not to minimize your boy and his manhood, but The One becomes less hero every minute…. 🙂 How’s that bump?

    Mr Panetta also told the network that the US Navy Seals made the final decision to kill bin Laden rather than the president.

    In an interview with PBS, Mr Panetta said: “Once those teams went into the compound I can tell you that there was a time period of almost 20 or 25 minutes where we really didn’t know just exactly what was going on. And there were some very tense moments as we were waiting for information.

    “We had some observation of the approach there, but we did not have direct flow of information as to the actual conduct of the operation itself as they were going through the compound.”

    Mr Panetta also told the network that the US Navy Seals made the final decision to kill bin Laden rather than the president.

    Is Eric Holder still prosecuting the interrogators that provided us the information that lead to the courier’s name? Wait until we make that an issue. 😉

  274. Mr Panetta also told the network that the US Navy Seals made the final decision to kill bin Laden rather than the president.

    Wheww! I hadn’t known Obama was in the crosshairs on this one. 😆 Good call.

  275. Hey Rutherford, another question. One I read today which I think correct.

    When is Obama going to acknowledge that fact since he has become President, every time he does the right thing now utilizing tools he condemned, he runs smack up against the hypocrisy which got him elected?

  276. “I feel some chagrin now, though, about how the rest of it has been handled. And frankly it started May Day, 2011 when the president announced what had happened. The excessive use of the personal pronoun that he used in his remarks, I really felt that was the beginning of the Commander-in-Chief putting too much spotlight on himself, taking too much credit for what the remarkable Americans had done. And of course it’s only now accelerated to a greater degree in the media. ” ~ David Beamer, father of 9/11 hero Todd Beamer

    Guess I’m not the only one thinking that Obama has inserted himself front and center Rutherford…

  277. Mr Panetta also told the network that the US Navy Seals made the final decision to kill bin Laden rather than the president.

    And the stupidity continues. The dude who pulled the trigger, by definition, made the “final decision” to kill bin Laden. Stating the obvious is supposed to make Obama look bad? The CiC authorized the kill. He did not need to talk to the f*cking Navy SEAL over a walkie-talkie at the critical moment.

    Tex … please stop making an ass of yourself. It’s embarrassing to anyone with a brain … that excludes most of the Obama-haters in this thread.

    Why don’t you spend more time watching the laughable GOP debate in South Carolina? … heads up, it’ll be repeated at midnight EDT. Tune in to watch a bunch of guys who will NOT be the next POTUS.

    Bwahahahahahahahhahahahha!!!! 😆

  278. I’m so amused by the gang who are dead set on destroying this victory for our nation just to discredit the President. Talk about politicizing what should be a bipartisan celebration.

    RANK HYPOCRITES

  279. Was Todd Beamer aboard the Shanksville plane? Just how much of that Shanksville plane story is legend vs fact? I’ve always wondered it …. how we have such a detailed account of heroism when no one lived to tell the tale. I guess it was culled from cell phone accounts?

    Todd’s Daddy David is an ungrateful bastard. Where was his fat mouth the eight years that Bush could not find bin Laden? I guess losing his son has made him a permanently bitter man. Real shame.

  280. Hey Poolman … there’s a story I’d like you dig into. How much of the Shanksville story is pure Hollywood fiction? Hell, they even made a movie about it.

  281. Since I’m in a nasty mood tonight … you know what I think? I think the AQ boys had their best pilots on the two WTC planes and the Pentagon plane. I suspect there was much less heroism on the Shanksville flight then we’ve been lead to believe and that they had AQ back-benchers flying that plane. 👿

  282. Hardball tonight illustrated why we are f*cked as a human race. Two women who should have bonded on today’s show, both having lost loved ones on 9/11 got into a pissing match about how bad Muslims are. I’ve heard the Muslim mother speak before and she’s a piece of work … I’m not impressed. But the Shanksville mother was no better.

    Like I said … we’re all just screwed.

  283. Tex … please stop making an ass of yourself. It’s embarrassing to anyone with a brain … that excludes most of the Obama-haters in this thread.

    I sense a crack in your Twitter Obama assuredness facade young jedi. Do you want to renege now and eat a small crow I know you’re pissed off about it raining piss during the victory parade. You know how I know?

    Bwahahahahahahahhahahahha!!!!

    Where’s the bump? Your pitiful, shuffling pretty boy for President couldn’t handle his one success, and fucked it up by interjecting himself front and center. Predictable – must have been the Liberal “nuance.”

    And the winner is???? “Enhanced” interrogation techniques aka “waterboarding.” About those war criminals Bush & Darth Cheney?

    I suspect sometime soon, Obama’s sniveling psychophants like you will recognize your 2009 projection of the “dying Conservative” party was a tad misplaced. At any moment, the Navy Seals will be thrown under the bus with Grandma, Rev. Wright, a few “czars”, allies, and the most transparent administration plan.

    I just find it fascinating you are suffering from acute MSNBC poisoning. “Obama’s election is assured now….” I thought you smarter than that – something more than minature boot licker and groupie.

    See Rutherford, there’s this one undisputed, immutable, frozen hard fact that you are apparently have shelved in the recesses of your pygmy brain. Have you forgotten something really, really important?

    Like maybe a 30 month history of utter failure? Like the laundry list of unfulfilled promises – including deficit reduction by half? Like the post racial President? Like transparency? Like dialoguing with our enemies? And Obamacare?

    Wait until we start rehashing “the record.” It will make this thread look like mere child’s play. I sure hope some more of those Fat Granny gargoyles show up like Ms. Puppet. Low hanging fruit in conjunction with choking you with your own words?

    👿 Ummm….I felt a tingle up my leg. 👿

  284. Obama and R have painted himself in quite the corner.

    1. Promise to close Gitmo.
    2. Open cases against intelligence officers.
    3. Use Gitmo.
    4. Use info gathered by said intelligence officers.
    5. Call for trial of stink beards under the standards of the Constitution, including Miranda Rights etc.
    6. Execute Osama in cold blood.

    The real world is fucking Obama poll numbers up.

    Rutherford is lucky. He can just magically become no longer passionate about insane things like Mirandizing KSM or OBL. Damn does it feel like yesterday when R was on high his horse lecturing us about justice and taking the high road.

    Poof.

    Obama probably wishes he was a blogging fan boy of himself instead of actually being himself.

    Rutherford, this is what happens when hold another man’s nut sack. You end up loosing your own pair.

    Obama made you a creature from Alice in Wonderland, R.

    You stand for nothing.

  285. I wonder if any of the Navy Seals were those two guys Obama and Holder tried to bust for punching a terrorist in the gut.

  286. I’m so amused by the gang who are dead set on destroying this victory for our nation just to discredit the President. Talk about politicizing what should be a bipartisan celebration.” – R

    Is that what’s happening? I’m more than a little confused at the ever changing story coming out of the Administration. I happen to think that they are desperate enough for a win that they will exploit anything to get some good news out there. And this is certainly good news.

    However, in light of EVERYTHING else Obama has done, or failed to do, it is hard to sit back and say that this is a natural progression of his leadership- its not. All of these cogs were in motion before Obama even came into the picture, let alone “made the call”.

  287. “I’m so amused by the gang who are dead set on destroying this victory for our nation just to discredit the President.”

    It’s because you have it backwards. I am deadset on dicrediting the President to keep him from destroying the victory for our nation. 😯

  288. R –
    I’ve been flying for a while (light planes only) but my take on the Shanksville flight was that they were flying at very low altitude at flank speed. If Beamer et al got in the cockpit, at those speeds just a quick push on the yoke would have put them in the ground in 1-2 seconds. Just too low, too fast. Just the struggle alone would have done it. Or, equally likely somebody grabbed the erstwhile pilot from behind and he held onto the yoke as they pulled him out of the seat and at those speeds broke the wing with positive G’s. I think I read somewhere that the planes that went in to the Towers were near Vne or maybe a little beyond already. They could have shed their wings BEFORE hitting the towers.

  289. Clarification: I do not mean that they did lose their wings first, just that they were close to that speed already, as I understand it.

  290. Shanksville is the one Rummy said was shot down. Yeah, debris for 8 miles, no real plane parts left on site to speak of. The airphone conversation was bogus. The 15 minute connection was still active long after the plane was supposed to have “crashed”. No cell phones were able to transmit from flying planes at that time. The technology wasn’t there yet. Only the airphones worked, and they were less than reliable for long connections. The personal “cell” calls all proved to be bogus.

  291. re: cell phones and airplanes.

    I make calls from my plane all the time, but not at altitude, even now. At the frequencies involved, the radio waves behave very much like light and are mostly line-of-sight, so the cell tower antennae are designed to transmit a doughnut-shaped or disk-shaped pattern, with very little above or below the plane, in an attempt to put as much of the power into that plane and try for a little more distance. The next time you look at a cell tower, notice that the antenna elements are not exactly vertical; they cant down a few degrees in order to drive the signal toward the far horizon or below. That’s why you can be very close to a tower and get nothing; the signal is being shaped to go above you.

    Having said that, remember that the 911 airplanes were all at very low altitudes in densely populated areas, so it would seem to me that they would likely be able to use the cell phones just fine.

  292. sorry for the confusion of plane and plane. I should have said “signal plane” as in flat surface when referring to the transmitter.

  293. Pfesser,

    Have you noted since last Sunday night, virtually the entire emphasis from the blog owner toward heroic deed, lending credit to the kill, has been about Obama? One token mention of the Seals after Obama in the post for the masses.

    Imagine yourself in Rutherford’s armchair quarterback world, gatorade bottle in hand for Obama upon return as he leads the troops into battle.

    ———

    Obama, navigating through heavy fire while flying the helicopter with the plan he had brilliantly formulated as CiC, jumps without rope assistance, single-handedly holding back “his” 39 soldiering assistants that only he can train and command, administering justice with four perfect kill shots.

    As Obama blows the smoke away with sweat dripping from his brow, the body of Osama draped over Obama’s broad shoulders, the killing machine sprints with world class speed to the copter, reverently laying the body into bin, taking time to cross the hands outstretched over Osama’s stomach.

    As Obama commandeers the pilot seat from the frightened young pilot, Obama flies at supersonic speed pushing the craft to its limits, with shattered front window from the battle, wind blowing thru the shining Breck hair back to base. Obama slowly throttles the engines to a perfect landing, as he rushes his injured comrades with the hangnail to the nearest hospital. Upon marathon return, Obama skillfully administers the DNA test confirming for the world it is indeed OBL, swipes the camera for the grotesque picture to prevent the horrid memories of photographer, then wraps the body, wailing the Muslim prayer in perfect Imam pitch.

    As his men bow, rose pedals are placed in his path as Obama strolls onto its vast bow of the ship. Obama takes the wheel from the captain in honor of his fallen brethren and being last man down, sails into the sunset. In conclusion, Obama kneels and in perfect Arabic, prays to the unknown god – imams nodding and praising his humanity and perfection. Obama gently pushing the body into its watery grave, he then flies home from the ship’s deck back to Washington to address his adoring fans. He humbly tells the world – I have God Blessed America

    ————-

    That is approximately the amount of honesty most of us have grown accustomed to here on the Rutherford Lawson blog.

    Rutherford, sitting high in the cheap seats, the ultimate Monday armchair quarterback like his Double AA hero and douchebag pundit Lawrence O’Donnell (nice catch Gorilla to watch that asshole get his butt handed to him in his own backyard), can afford to be both hollow and hypercritical in his opinions.

    The ultimate small town hack on the small stage, as the word ‘real bravery’ completely foreign. Had Rutherford been on Flight 93, after shitting his pants making everyone miserable, he would have locked himself in the Lav. 😡

    And though he is infinitely smarter than the typical Fat Granny minion, “R” is equally unappreciative of those things he does not earn, but are handed to him by real brave men. The military, the real heroes, the little guy who rushes the cockpit – made up stories concocted to put a positive spin in an otherwise bleak world.

    All Obama, all the time. Nothing else matters…

  294. More bloviating from Tex. The thread has focused on Obama because you guys are intent on tearing him apart in this instance and I’m not going to stand for it. Very simple.

  295. Pfesser, I’m not familiar with the flight path of 93. Why would it have been at such low altitude to begin with? It is believed it was headed for DC. Shouldn’t it have been at cruising altitude when it was over Pennsylvania?

    Poolman, while my nasty mood last night gave me the disposition to believe you, why would relatives/loved ones of the dead claim they talked to them on the phone prior to the crash? One reason that occurs to me is just to put an heroic face on a tragedy to make themselves feel better but that is a bit far fetched.

    That being said, even now that I’m in a (slightly) better mood, the Flight 93 story has always played like a film for me and not reality. I guess we’ll never know what really went down.

  296. Poolman, since you’re a conspiracy buff, have you heard the story that RFK was actually killed by a bullet from his own security detail in an accident as they tried to shoot Sirhan Sirhan? I believe the theory goes that the bullet based on the angle of entry into Kennedy, could not have come from Sirhan’s gun.

  297. For the record, Leon Panetta has established a rep for opening his big fat mouth prematurely. A few weeks ago he said something (it escapes me at the moment) that got him in hot water. Then this week he says the release of the photos is inevitable and the SEALs made the “final decision”.

    The dude talks too damn much. Hard to believe he’s been running an organization of spies.

  298. Wow –
    If Condie liked men, I’d marry her. Damn she’s a bright girl!

    This Larry guy – he is the kind of “reporter” that makes me cringe every time I come down on the liberal side of an argument. There is a very big difference between a reporter asking tough questions and the liberal equivalent of Bill O’Reilly. He’s no reporter; he has an axe to grind. Every question is, “We now know that…fill in the blank.

    Well, goddamn it, we *didn’t know that THEN* now did we? If I could see into the future I wouldn’t make ANY mistakes, but the sad fact is you can’t, so you pays your money and takes your shot.

    Condie did just fine thankyouverymuch. Larry whoever-he-is, not so much.

  299. R –
    I may be completely off on this, but my understanding is that the hijackers took all the planes to low altitude and full power. That really stresses the airframe because of the high power made by the engines with dense air, and the high drag on the airframe, again by the dense air. I’m no jet jock, so anyone smarter on this feel free to correct me.

    And that path makes sense; if you are at 30,000′ it takes a long time to get down to a couple of thousand in order to hit stuff. I wouldn’t think they would want to fly high.

  300. “Leon Panetta has established a rep for opening his big fat mouth prematurely. ”

    He learned that from his Commandant and side-kick, Biden.

    R, I am worried you are on the verge of calling us racists again for not hailing Obama whom you are so heavily invested.

  301. The thread has focused on Obama because you guys are intent on tearing him apart in this instance and I’m not going to stand for it. Very simple.

    The patronizing post was before the “bloviating” started killer. I didn’t expect you to notice, as you too busy dancing.

    Your loyalty to anything Obama is noted, but as so many of us have pointed out, while we appreciate your hero finally sleeping on killing Bin Laden and giving the ‘go’ – which has never been explained why the military would need Obama’s permission to kill the world’s most sought after mass murderer with bounty on head – the real heroes are unknown and virtually unrecognized by you.

    Everything Obama has done since the Sunday night when his short spiel, replete with his favorite word “I” was tolerable and balanced, has been to promote the Left’s adored peacock – feathers flaired. It’s such an obvious promotion of masking the abject misery of his first term to promote his miserable worth, it’s a belly laugh. You libs are as transparent as your divine leader.

    The favored son finally graduated from his 5th year of high school, through the GED program, and you now attempt to nominate with honor student banquet. Don’t you have a bumper sticker for your blog to advertise? My honor student President….

  302. I do love me some Crazy Larry but I have to admit, Condie flipped him over and mopped the floor with him. In fact, she got on such a roll that if you fast-forward to 10 minutes 33 seconds, home-girl does a “sista-bob-your-head” move on old Larry.

    All I can say to you Keith Olbermann-haters is be careful what you wish for. You wanted him gone and look what replaced him.

    Bwahahahhahahahahahahaha! 😆

  303. Two interesting stories I had yesterday, one with a Christian of middle eastern descent, born and raised in Damascus which I will relay at a later date. Very interesting…very informative, much of it I had no idea why this situation is so complex, and the situation is quickly deteriorating all across the middle east.

    The other, told by my electro-physiologist that I happen to visit once a year for the run-to-hell marathon. I passed, but it gets harder every passing moment to get my prescriptions renewed. 😦

    ———-

    My doc’s middle son is a Seal, approximately 30 years old. While even his father does not know his current location, he is somewhere in the middle east. Even the father does not know if his son was involved last weekend, but the son was involved in the termination of three Somalia pirates.

    That was the one episode I had complimented Obama before last Sunday night. Proof is documented on this blog for the short memories.

    Now the rest of the story…

    The seals were flown in and set up shop on the deck of the destroyer, and ultimately pulled off three kill shots from 75ft away to rescue captain Richard Phillips, who had spent five days as prisoner of the heavily armed Somalia pirates.

    What we Americans weren’t told is the SEALS laid on the deck for FOUR days waiting for Obama to give his approval. Four days the SEALS lay station in position, while Obama dithered about HIS political consequences of the success or failure.

    Though the mission ultimately successful, Richard Phillips could have been a free man on day 2 of his kidnapping.

  304. How stupid is the current Obama regime?

    While gas makes up 9% of the average American household budget, Obama floats the idea of a mileage fuel surcharge. Or is he stupid? Perhaps more of Obama’s geographic warfare.

    http://money.cnn.com/2011/05/05/news/economy/gas_prices_income_spending/index.htm?section=money_topstories

    Why would the liberal politician float such a foolish idea? Simple. Because across Obama’s urban base, only 2-3% of the budget is allocated for transportation fuel costs.

    What Obama fails to understand is fuel cost is a large component of the cost of goods. While we are past winter and the reality of heating oil won’t set in for until fall, cost of food and staple goods will immediately be affected, resulting in some cases in substantially higher prices.

    I’m afraid the thrill of the kill will be wearing off very quickly starting later this spring Rutherford – a long list in the number of weights I will tie to your tail before slowly floating you into the tide. ;wink:

  305. So ummm…when do we get to the “what have you done for me lately?” stage?……

    Fuck Osama. He’s dead. Hooray and good riddance. Meanwhile this country is still massively fucked up.

    Who’s gonna fix it?……

  306. I’ll say right now, I don’t know the validity of the story they tell. I see lots of stuff that makes sense and is in line with what I know on the inside, however, I can’t vouch for this whole sale.

    We’ve all known that Vallerie Jarrett is probably the most important advisor to the President, which is unfortunate since she knows little about jack shit. The accounts described in this sound very true to form so…

    Very interesting read…

    http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-insider-obama-hesitated-panetta-issued-order-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/

  307. Konsistency, Kwality, and Kompetence….just as we have come to expect from the Keystone Cops administration.

    Okay, what do we have here.
    1) There was a firefight.
    2) There was no firefight.
    3) Bin Laden was “resisting.”
    4) Bin Laden wasn’t armed. (Makes the concept of “resisting” interesting.)
    5) He used his wife as a shield.
    6) His wife was killed too.
    7) He didn’t use his wife as a shield, she ran at a SEAL who shot her in the leg, but she’s fine.
    Some other woman – the maid? – was used as a shield. By somebody. Downstairs.
    9) That other woman – downstairs – was killed.
    10) Maybe not. She was killed unless she wasn’t – and who was she, anyway?
    11) Bin Laden’s son was killed.
    12) Unless it was some other guy.
    13) Bin Laden’s daughter saw him get killed. She’s undoubtedly traumatized, poor dear.
    14) They were going to capture Bin Laden until the problem with the helicopter, which was:
    A) It had mechanical trouble
    B) It did a hard landing
    C) It crashed
    D) It clipped a wall with a tail rotor, effectively a crash
    15.) They were never going to try to capture him, it was always a kill mission.
    16.) No it wasn’t.
    17) The chopper blew up.
    18) The SEALs blew it up.
    19.) Panetta said yesterday the world needed proof, the photo would be released.
    20.) Obama said today in an interview he taped with Steve Kroft for “60 Minutes” to be broadcast Sunday that it won’t be released. It’s too gruesome, would offend Muslim sensibilities (something he worries about a lot – I personally do not give a warm fart on a wet Wednesday about Muslim sensibilities), and how would Americans feel if Muslims released pictures of dead Americans?
    21.) Kroft – whose not a total idiot – pointed out that ever since “Black Hawk Down” days, Muslims have been doing precisely that, filming American bodies being dragged through the streets, filming Daniel Pearl’s head being cut off, filming any and everything.
    22) Obama gets pissed at CBS, the tape gets cleaned up, that question disappears. (Inside info.)
    23.) We got a “treasure trove” of stuff from hard drives, etc.
    24.) There were no phone lines, and no internet access at the “mansion,” they didn’t even have TV – what “treasure trove?”
    25.) There is obviously in the pictures of the place a large satellite dish. I guess they used it for making salads.
    26.) And now, just today: apparently the idea was to capture him, but only if he was naked. There was a suspicion he might be wearing a suicide bomber type explosive vest, or belt. So if he’s not naked and you can’t see if he has a vest on or not – shoot him.

    http://tinyurl.com/3kmd6tt

  308. Huck, if you didn’t see my kudos to your #330, big clap again. One of the best short comments I’ve ever read – here or elsewhere.

    I nominate that one for the 2011 Lawson Head Slap Award.

  309. I continue to be bewildered how our current gang that couldn’t shoot straight regime (thank gawd the navy can) can be so thick-headed in their reading. For the most part, this is the same group that blasted the Clinton propaganda machine.

    Obama & Co. doubled down on stupid somewhere around Jan 2009 and have never looked up.

  310. Thanks Tex. It seems a no-brainer.

    Mussolini was strung up from a lightpost so everyone could see he was dead. Hitler killed himself in secrecy and his final resting place a secret.

    There are no conspiracy theories about Mussolini having survived. We can’t say that about Hitler.

    And we won’t ever be able to say it about OBL, either. This will never go away…. Ever.

  311. G, if you don’t know the validity, why post the bullsh*t story here which could easily be 100% fiction. Socyberty??? Are you kidding me? Some “insider” with any real credibility talks to Socyberty? How many Google pages down did you have to scroll to find that garbage?

    Up until now G, I considered YOU somewhat of an insider. With this posted article, I now have my doubts. Your expertise is falling to the level of armchair military strategists Tigre and Tex. 😦

    And damn, I was actually gonna ask you a trivia question about the Osama hit figuring you might have a good answer. Now I have my doubts.

  312. “So what?”

    So you can quit being in a shitty mood because there are people who want to question what can never be answered.

  313. “Condie did just fine thankyouverymuch. Larry whoever-he-is, not so much.”

    PF, R’s “buddy” Larry whoever-he-is is a clown. That ain’t even close to the stupidity he’s displayed with so-called “guests” on his show. Usually he just shouts over them and the more conspicuous his ignorance, the louder he shouts.

    I understand Larry whoever-he-is’s father was a trial lawyer. It is obvious to me that Larry tries to imitate a cross-examination of a hostile witness but lacks the ability and intellect to do so effectively. His style is precisely the one I l-o-v-e when it resides on the other side of a case. He is unlikeable and always fears the answer — which is why he won’t usually allow them. Nor does he seem to “have the time” to answer a question about his false premise or commentary. I tune in from time to time to get a chuckle, as do the most liberal lawyers with whom I practice. He is truly a joke.

    And R is impressed by him. . . 🙄

  314. “Your expertise is falling to the level of armchair military strategists Tigre and Tex.”

    Sorry Obama is not the leader you wish he was and he wants you to believe. It must suck that you’re so invested in him.

    Congrats to the those in the military and behind the scenes that actual deserve all of the accolades.

  315. Obama’s outstanding talent is mimicry. Absent any semblance of depth, he plays the intellectual to perfection. Absent vision or principle, he plays the statesman. Absent ethics or honesty, he plays the moral teacher. Absent physical courage, he plays the hero.

    Obama’s true character is evidenced in his surreptitiously flipping the bird to opponents in public appearances; in his mean-spirited and small-minded denigration of his predecessor; in his inability to admit fault or error; in his sleazy and opportunistic scapegoating of anyone and everyone who disagrees with him or his wasteful, racially redistributive and socialist policies. ~ David Levavi

    Excellent analysis…and how true.

  316. Tigre, do you remember discussing anything of military strategy on this post? Did you criticize the mission and I missed it? I find you a most capable debater. But I’ll be damned if Rutherford’s assertions that you have played armchair quarterback anywhere in this thread ring a bell.

    I have read many truisms where you have attempted to set the record straight about who are real heroes are, the remarks of tasteless showboating and endless campaigning.

    I guess, “shame on you.” 😉

  317. Well, this was a rough week. Its not that I lost a ton. Its how recklessly and stupidly I lost. What concerns me is that the only reason I didn’t lose big time was the house. So, I survived this bubble out of pure luck. If we were still in the market for a house, and I was still a reckless liquid shark, I have a feeling I would have lost everything but my coins.

    My free money machine is gone. Even if it comes back, this week will shrank my balls.

    My 670 dollar call is worth a hundred bucks. I consider it gone.

    What a romance we had sweet silver.
    I will always have a sweet spot for you. But, the days of us meeting in a motel paid by the hour to satisfy our lust, are over.

  318. By the way Tex. You hit a homerun. You sold 48 hours before it all went to shit. Nice work!

  319. D.R – pure luck with the silver on a gut feel. My friend and broker made the final call and I sat with my thumb in my mouth and collected the balance. If misery loves company, I joined your silver in the oil market. 😉

    But I’m guessing like you, I’ve made such a killing on oil that a loss was inevitable. If it weren’t for that BP fiasco last year, I’d be up $75K. That one cost more more than $35K in six weeks, and a nice dividend for a year – it’s still cut in half.

    Stick around and don’t give up – it’s imminent silver is going back up as will most commodities when Bernacke screws the pooch printing money. Osama will be but a distant memory and Rutherford will be back to picking on Sarah Palin because Obama is such a disaster. Predictable as the sun rising.

    Glad you’re back. You’ve been missed. We’ve actually recruited a few smart “moderates” that have been pretty entertaining, Huck’s on a roll, though I’m afraid I already scared off the new lib friend for Rutherford – a shot across the bow, and poof, she was gone. 😈

  320. Rabbit, I abhor this company (inside info to the max, corrupt as hell IMO), but they are seldom wrong. I wonder why(cough cough)? Give you a hint – consider it my best guess (cough, cough). The same reasons average idiot Congressman never seem to leave Washington poorer.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/42928363

  321. Tex, I said it nowhere. I think I got it right though. That’s why I said I am waiting for another racism allegation. It’s the last bastion of a liberal with a losing proposition.

    R, you are a good sport. But we have a saying at our firm: if you want to know what the other guy is up to, look no further than what he is accusing you of doing. It applies here.

    This ain’t pure Obama hatred. It’s knowing when credit is due, and to whom it is owed. You can complete the thought.

  322. Obama’s close pals dropped the capitalist pretense – go full commie

    And you think Obama is unbeatable? How do you say it “R”?

    Buwahahahahahahahaha

    case you think the SEIU is some peripheral out-of-the-mainstream organization:

    The SEIU devoted $28 million to Obama’s campaign, making the SEIU “the organization that spent the most to help Barack Obama get elected president.” Furthermore, who is Obama’s favorite White House guest and one of his closest confidants?

    The individual who has visited the Obama White House the most: SEIU President Andy Stern, who has visited 53 times.

    Obama is closely linked with the SEIU.
    The SEIU is closely linked with communists.
    You do the math.

    http://pajamasmedia.com/zombie/2011/05/06/seiu-drops-mask-goes-full-commie/

  323. Uh oh….BUSTED!!!

    Time to start advertising this Republican candidates. The Commie for President has been exposed and Glenn Beck has been validated. Guess he wasn’t so crazy after all. This has got to burn Rutherford… 😈 Spin it hard.

    Got the purple windbreaker – got the commies SEIU marching to the Obama beat.

  324. Haha, you’re too funny R.

    That was actually from an email that was sent to me, so I have no idea how many google pages one has to go through.

    Listen, if I don’t trust it, I don’t throw it up for general consumption. However, I found the story so… fitting. There is a consistent, documented resistance to Obama doing anything. All the pieces in the story fit, so yeah, I’m not sure of the sourcing, but the story makes sense. I threw out the caveat because I’m not interested in sounding like the kiddie pool or Dan Rather (debatedable which is worse).

  325. re: silver and gold

    I am just too much of a coward to do raw metals. I keep remembering that every time I buy it with the expectation that it will go up, I bought it from someone who sold it in the expectation it would go down. And unfortunately many of these buyers and sellers do this all day long.

    Stocks? I feel a lot more comfortable. Here you have a real business that is generating *income* through the work of its employees and management. I can look at the fundamentals (I just never look at technicals) and think about whether I know this company. Does it make a good product? Do the numbers suggest it has good management? What is its track record with the mgt it has in place?

    Just a different way of doing business I guess. I am surely no gambler.

  326. I never gamble with the milk money Doc. This account where I’m screwing around is an IRA that might make up about 7-8% of our total family savings, and it wasn’t anywhere near that until I started jacking around with commodities about a year ago.

    And even that account consists of mostly company stocks – just a little more volatile than the standard fare I have everywhere else. For every dollar I have invested in silver, I’ve got ten invested in Exxon Mobil or an index fund.

    My general strategy is best of breed, high dividend stocks. I’ll never be rich and have never had any desire to be – just be able to live comfortably and make sure my kids and possibly grand kids get the best of education and are never cheated of an opportunity. You’d be shocked at how frugal I’ve learned to live and how simple my life is – until in comes to my kids.

    And in this case, “volatile” is Occidental Petroleum – not because I think it’s a terrific company, but because its a pure oil play. That’s about as fundamental as it gets. I know for a fact long-term oil is going up. So I find the stock that’s the purest oil play and buy it and hold it for a time. Had my buddy broker been in town this week, I would have dumped it – lost $8 a share waiting for him to get back from China. Bastard. 🙂

    But I never play the futures or try to time the market. The silver sell was simply dumb luck and a gut feel that run up was too fast and too artificial. I”m a contrarian at heart.

    I would wager my investments are probably similar to yours Pfesser. I just find it fund to invest is some risky investments with smaller dollars – it’s like going to the casino without the cigarette smoke.

    What’s ironic Doc, is most of the people on this board are formally educated, and I find most of the people here very smart. I’ve learned a lot from most of them, even my nemesis Rutherford. And most of us have some type of post grad education – you most of all now. I’ve accumulated the equivalent of four college degrees and half of year of med. And yet, for all that fancy formal education, I invariably revert back to plain old common sense to live and invest.

    The people most influential in my life, and the ones I still think the wisest and admire the most, don’t even have a college degree. I’ve learned far more from blue collar workers than I ever learned in a classroom or an office.

  327. 😳 Damn, I wish WordPress would allow to edit. I don’t think there’s a post anymore I don’t hit submit, and then think shit – I didn’t proofread.

    fund = fun

  328. Okay Rutherford. I’ll give Obama his just due this week. 🙂 Not about his war strategy, size of gonads, or brains.

    I give him credit for a sense of humor. Something you need to get back to practicing.

    Stand Clear of Michelle and a Tamale, President Says About Wife

    Now, that’s funny. 😎

  329. Okay Rutherford. On to more important topics, of which I have been remiss.

    How did the treatment of antibiotics work out? Stomach feeling any better?

  330. Pfesser said,

    the 911 airplanes were all at very low altitudes in densely populated areas, so it would seem to me that they would likely be able to use the cell phones just fine.

    The technology has changed much since then. The official record placed the time of most calls when the planes were at cruising altitude about 31,000 to 35,000 ft. Only airphones were able to communicate, not any personal cell phones. The calls were a mix. The formed the narrative for the boxcutters and the storyline for the record. However, with “the prevailing technology in September 2001, it was extremely difficult, if not impossible, to place a wireless cell call from an aircraft traveling at high speed above 8000 feet.”

    Barely acknowledged in press reports, it confirms that the Bush administration had embroidered the cell phone narrative (similar to what they did with WMDs) and that the 9/11 Commission’s account was either flawed or grossly exaggerated.

    According to industry experts, the crucial link in wireless cell phone transmission from an aircraft is altitude. Beyond a certain altitude which is usually reached within a few minutes after takeoff, cell phone calls are no longer possible.
    In other words, given the wireless technology available on September 11 2001, these cell calls could not have been placed from high altitude.

    The only way passengers could have got through to family and friends using their cell phones, is if the planes were flying below 8000 feet. Yet even at low altitude, below 8000 feet, cell phone communication is of poor quality.

  331. I have to admit, I disagree with you guys about the photos.

    The world knows he is dead.

    Photos, while I will personally enjoy them and might get them wallet sized, don’t “prove” anything.

    I’m gonna get lambasted for this, but questioning Obama on the validity of the death borders on unpatriotic. It gives ammo to haters like Poolman.

    It reminds me of exactly what the Copperhead left would do.

    There is no way in hell Obama would lie about something this big.

    I also don’t think Obama is doing anything wrong going to Ground Zero or celebrating with the troops.

    We all have a lot of reasons to despise Obama. Killing OBL and not releasing the photos is not one of him. Obama has done a great job killing terrorists. He loves the Predator Drone, as do I.

    What sucks about Obama is his utopian bull shit involving captured terrorists. It was all about bashing Bush. He and that piece of shit Holder put politics above country and R ate it up like the lap dog he is.

  332. Rutherford,

    Regarding 374, I believe the Kennedy dynasty was intentionally taken out. I haven’t delved too much into the different conspiracy angles, but like all incidents there seems to be a mix of really crazy, mildly crazy, and only somewhat off the wall. Interspersed with truth, all versions should be considered and tested. Look toward motive and the resulting political or financial gain. These are rarely coincidental.

    I have learned not to readily accept the official version from anyone, knowing what goes into maintaining a public image and control. I think Americans are some of the laziest people when it comes to research. We have so many distractions and encumbrances to deal with during our waking hours, we don’t really wring the truth out of everything like we should.

  333. There is no way in hell Obama would lie about something this big.

    This is his biggest lie to date, as far as I can tell.
    This will be his WMD moment.

  334. Rabbit. I don’t question Osama was killed last Sunday. I don’t need the pictures to know Osama is dead. I trust Obama, the military, in this case, even the useless media. Hell, even the jihadis are admitting he was killed. There is nor ever was a conspiracy OBL with me.

    I want to see the pictures for “me.” Everybody in America has been detrimentally impacted by that POS, from the airports to our passports.

    And I deserve to see Osama’s head with a bullet hole through it. Those morons stay in a perpetual state of rage…let them rage some more and have a real reason this time.

  335. He and that piece of shit Holder put politics above country and R ate it up like the lap dog he is.

    You know, I’ll willingly take that insult considering it went along with the best, fairest assessment of the week yet on this board.

    If nothing else, Rabbit is his own man. Maybe there is something about trading in silver that clears the brain? 🙂

  336. Tex, thanks for asking …. the antibiotics helped temporarily (particularly during my overnight to Old Sturbridge Village). Now I feel like I’m almost back where I started. I’m scheduled for a lactose intolerance test in little over a week. No results back yet from the lab testing … at least I haven’t followed up and they haven’t called me.

  337. Good to hear Rutherford – or at least temporarily part. Strange that the antibiotics would only work for a time – did the doctor feel like you stayed on them long enough? When I had walking pneumonia several years back, it actually took two complete doses to kick the illness completely.

    Medicine is like a computer – sometimes you don’t know what it is, so you start eliminating what it’s not. Keep your chin up.

    I may push you to the virtual myocardial infarction with my outrageous b.s. (of which I’m sure you’re accustomed by now), but I’ll try to go easy on the indigestion. 😉

  338. I’m watching The Derby – the strangest spectator sport in the world. The unusual combination of high flying old and new money, and a smattering of white trash like me lining the rails. 🙂

  339. This is what happens when you discuss something without all the info. Reluctantly I’d say that “Tex”, the Unabomber of the Rutherford Blog, has a point. Several in fact.
    I didn’t make it through all 425 comments, but I believe it can be summarized this way:
    1. It may not have been the real Osama bin Laden. It was actually a body double we (the U.S.) hired. We told him we wanted him to be in a movie, and we forgot to tell him the part about how we were going to kill him at the end.
    2. It WAS the real Osama bin Laden, and if so, President Obama had nothing to do with it. It would be totally out of character for him to make a good decision.
    Just for the record, I’m glad OBL is dead. I didn’t dance in the streets, but I did so in my head.

  340. Well, well, well the Fake is back. I thought I recognized the musty stench. The Unabomber huh? Is that a step up from sociopath, or do they just go hand in hand? 😈

    But if you were fair in your evaluation Flake, and you never are, you would note there’s not one person on this blog that is particularly complimentary of Obama’s behavior after the fact, besides giving the get go decision – a political decision with little risk in my opinion. Obama, like Clinton, never moves without deciding how it will affect him first.

    And here I had been nice to you too on your own blog with medical advice for your pup. I will hope that the dog is doing well. Didn’t recognize me, did you old woman?

    And what does do in return? Insult me. tsk tsk. I think the love has gone out of our relationship.

    Lady, I could own you right now on the pitiful state of your miserable life and offend you more than your hated word without uttering a profanity. But it looks to me that fate has already done it for me. Why bother? I have never been one to pile on.

    I think I’ll let it slide tonight Flake and just let nature take its course. Once…

  341. Al-Poolman is over complimenting the blog owner at Fat Grannies about their mind numbingly stupid new article. Speaking of talking out of both sides of your mouth, it’s almost unbelievable the degree of hypocrisy.

    I didn’t read any new conspiracy material, so I’ll just assume the Wizard has to measure his approach at Fat Grannies to keep his few friends.

    “R” – now that the dumbest liberal left on the blog, that would be Al-Poolman now that Yeller Dawg has departed, and now that we are on to a new conspiracy that doesn’t favor Obama but is equally as stupid as his other conspiracies, are you ready to admit that Poolman is a complete piece-of-shit and a detriment to the blog, even if the Nazi does come down more favorably towards lefty than righty?

    Just a thought. But this goon is infinitely worse that Elric, I don’t care how you spin it. Elric may have grated on your nerves, but he wasn’t an embarrassment.

  342. Well, well, well! You got me, “Tex”. No I did not recognize you because you were acting civilized 🙂 And thanks for the advice. The dog is in fact doing well.
    And you have a lot of nerve calling me “old” and saying I have a miserable life. I’ll see and raise you on that. So once again it isn’t about the topic, as usual. So go ahead. “Own” me. If you would STFU once in a while, you might find you agree with me sometimes.

  343. Tex, I hear you about the Osama pics. I want to see them and can understand anyone else wanting to see them, too.

    If I was president, they would be released.

    That being said, I can at least understand a President deciding against releasing them.

    For one, from what I understand, military brass is against it.

    I also can at least respect the argument that its just not healthy to allow a picture of a stink beard’s head wound to become the most iconic American photo of all time.

  344. Actually Rabbit, this is one time I do concede their point about not releasing the photos. It’s a matter of opinion and both sides have legitimate points.

    I haven’t had any problem with the burial either, other than the soft handling ceremonial b.s. of the body. They should have tossed the maggot’s body off the crow’s nest and let it hit the side of the ship on the way down before hitting the water. Weekend at Bernie’s stuff.

    But other than that political correctness and ceremony, I really don’t have a criticism of the how. It’s Obama’s pathetic campaign stumping as hero that has been putrid.

    As usual, Fake’s labia swells like a tic when she reads my posts. Her throbbing and thrashing is troubling (I thought I heard her moan), but Fake always reads what she wants to read. ** Yawn **

    Besides, wait around for a spell and I guarantee the pictures be floating around before too long. Washington can’t keep their adulterous affairs secret – you know this will be made public by some scumbag; probably within weeks.

  345. And thanks for the advice. The dog is in fact doing well.

    Good. Glad to offer help. I like dogs. I did it for the dog. 😉

    And you have a lot of nerve calling me “old” and saying I have a miserable life

    I didn’t – you did Fake. You used “wrung out”; I used “miserable.” Same thing. I was just following your elderly lead.

    Kisses…

  346. you would note there’s not one person on this blog that is particularly complimentary of Obama’s behavior

    Well once again my good friend Tex is delusional.

    Tex, one of the dudes you respect the most on this blog, Dead Rabbit, has been quite complimentary including a positive comment about the visit to Ground Zero. Am I saying DR loves Obama? Of course not. But he’s able to put ODS aside enough to recognize a job well done AND an excellent opportunity to honor the first responders and other victim’s survivors. (Since all you do is talk out of your ass Tex, you don’t even know that Obama made not one official speech while at GZ. He did speak off the cuff to some firemen and he laid a wreath … wow what a f*cking ego trip!!!!)

    I also noticed some pretty stoked soldiers in the audience when he gave congrats to the SEALs. Sorry old pal, on this thread, regardless of the ODS inspired support you’ve gotten from Tigre, BiW and Gorilla, you’re just plain wrong.

  347. Damn Tex …. I misread your comment about Poolman and wasted ten minutes of my life that I can never get back perusing the Fat Grannies comment thread. You owe me 10 minutes dude!

    I didn’t leave condolences because I don’t believe the “widow” actually exists and I’m not in the mood to play pretend games. But it was satisfying Tex/Wayne to see you give it to JSRI. Other than she and Auntie Jean, I didn’t notice too many of the other pains who harassed me over there offering “condolences”. I guess if there’s no man-hate in the original post, they don’t bother commenting. 👿

  348. Regarding the Poolman vs Elric comparison … it just doesn’t hold. Elric on his best day was never as entertaining as Poolman. Elric’s track record for ORIGINAL thought expressed in his own words was about 10%. The other 90% essentially SPAM … and Islamaphobic SPAM to boot.

    Stylistically, I’d say Yellow Dog has a greater resemblance to Elric although of course I like Dog’s politics. 🙂

  349. Rutherford – if Dead Rabbit’s prose is what passes as compliment and support to you and your beloved Obama, God forbid if Rabbit ever cuts loose on Obama.

    If you think I’m wrong about Obama’s behavior, great. We disagree. I think Obama’s behavior has been a disgrace since Monday morning – mimicry of humility – the height of vanity. The man is in love with himself; it’s a victory lap.

    Your defensive and catty, but deflection is your only response. I guess you missed my post of actually talking to a real Seal and what he said about Obama’s capabilities? He called Obama a joke; stupid was the word he actually used. Said after talking to the man during Obama’s one and only trip to Oklahoma where they ate lunch with a billionaire supporter, that the former Seal was completely convinced Obama couldn’t have graduated from an Ivy League school – and he added as far as just the ability to answer questions, Hillary Clinton was far superior.

    I think you might have understood that the “stoked” had little to do with Obama. But then with your nauseating sycophantic fawning of Obama trying to make the entire matter about Obama, it doesn’t surprise me that would be your conclusion. 🙄 You actually remind me of a cult member.

    I saw West Point plebes go nuts the night OBL’s death announced. Do you really think that Obama was the thing on their mind? It was yours. Election assured Sunday night. 😆 Okay.

    My boy, while you’re obviously not stupid like Poolman or Dawg, and a talented representative of your side’s points on paper, you are the most naive 50 year old I’ve ever met. Really, you are. You live in a bubble; a cocoon; your a butterfly with wet wings. And your naivete leads to some of the dumbest conclusions, blindness and responses that leave me bewildered at how somebody could write this well and still be this stupid.

    Most unfortunate is that since Obama hasn’t worked out, you have also become a shell of your former self. I stay because I like the give and take and used to enjoy your company. I’m reevaluating that. Perhaps it is time we parted ways because 99 times out of 100 anymore, your response Fake worthy when directed at me.

    If I do leave out, let me state I have appreciated the last couple of years until the last couple of months. Slowly, you’ve become Helen Philpot to me. About a month ago, I had grown tired of you and almost left then without saying a word, but I returned and fell back into my bad habit just to respond to my critic Fake.

    If I do leave, but I still read your blog and comment elsewhere, I don’t want to hear you whine about how it’s “incredibly frustrating” that I’m a critic someplace else. That’s why I came to your blog in the first place.

  350. Rutherford, Poolman was entertaining for a week. At first, his charges were so outrageous, his stories so whacked, I actually found him funny – until I figured out he was dead serious.

    I do hope you recognize mental illness…

  351. Tex –

    You have me intrigued about the 1-1/2 of med school.

    What happened, you wise up? LOL

    (Actually, my younger boy is just graduating high school and is interested in – get this – being a radiologist. They never learn…send ’em to school, buy ’em books and what do they do? Eat the covers…sigh…

    (Hell, there are worse ways to earn a living – I’ll tell you about the coal mines sometime, LOL.))

  352. Pfesser,

    I think “wised up” might be a misnomer or a tad simplistic – got stupid, pursued stupid, got frustrated, got poor, learned lesson, then “wised up.”

    Loved the material, actually liked playing role “of doctor” in clinical, but I hated being eight hours a day amongst very bright, very assured, and very naive 22-25 year olds seven days a week. And you being a doctor can appreciate the trials of med school. It really wore on me, and with my wife transferred out of town two weeks after I quit my job, it made me miserable. Add to the fact I was trying to take care of elderly parents and still had one daughter at home in high school, I finally came to the conclusion too old. And the altruistic ideal of some profession was naivety on my part – the people sucked worse than corporate America.

    I’m afraid PFesser though I have been blessed with a wonderful wife and two pretty daughters, I was born with perhaps the worst handicap a person can be born with – the inability to ever find my place, or my mission, something, anything that could hold my interest.

  353. With the recent release of the videos from the compound, it is obvious they killed the second bin Laden – the fake one made to look like him that was in all the grainy videos released after 2001. Language experts have proved those fraud. He’s even right-handed! Oh, how the gullible eat this crap up. Close enough!

    And now, like the rest of the damning 9/11 evidence, the compound is slated for demolition. Dead men tell no tales. Vanished evidence poses no threat of future discovery. This is the all new American style of justice.

  354. Gorilla, 🙂 I always have to watch in amazement these videos you provide. It’s like viewing a really bad horror movie that’s supposed to frighten, but ends up making you snicker at the ineptitude of the actors and script.

    Where do you find those things? Rosie O’Donnell must be one of the most miserable people on earth. It’s so obvious.

    But Ed Schultz makes Rosie look the happy piker. How low does a tool have to sink in the ratings to have as guests losers like Alan Grayson? Bradley Manning unavailable? Unbelievable.

    I’ve noticed that MSNBC’s hosts all have one thing in common – uncontrolled rage. Kind of like Islam. I suppose that’s why I never take them too seriously. It’s just the morbid curiosity of how long before they self-destruct on the tube.

    Liberalism is a mental disease – an incredibly unhealthy mindset.

  355. I read a very interesting article this morning from one of America’s greatest minds. I won’t link unless requested, but consider this point:

    The rhetoric of poverty and oppression is far more strident than the Depression-era, spread the wealth, Huey Long sort. The sense of injustice voiced by the SEIU or public employee unions suggests wide scale Dickensian malnutrition, not an epidemic of obesity so amply chronicled by the first lady.

    History’s revolutions and upheavals — whether the Nika rioting in Constantinople, the periodic uprising of the turba in Rome, the French upheavals, or the Bolshevik Revolution — are rarely fueled by the starving and despised, but by the subsidized and frustrated, who either see their umbilical cord threatened, or their comfort and subsidies static rather than expansive — or their own condition surpassed by that of an envied kulak class. Perceived relative inequality rather than absolute poverty is the engine of revolution.

    These are strange and dangerous times. An insolvent federal government, an exporting China and India, and an almost complete indifference to federal immigration, tax, and regulatory laws have all combined to create a well-entitled but increasingly angry population, one “empowered” and made more, not less, bitter by the last two years of governance in Washington.

    And I believe that last line is beyond dispute.

  356. Happy Day to all you mothers out there!

    You know who you are. 😉

    Best one ever poolman, don’t know if you meant it the way I took it, but it gave me a laugh. And poolman, just so you know, in middle-eastern culture, the left hand is considered unclean, and it is therefore used for the “dirty” things only, like wiping one’s butt.

  357. in middle-eastern culture, the left hand is considered unclean, and it is therefore used for the “dirty” things only, like wiping one’s butt.

    I know. It is an outward symbolic thingie. I know however, in private one would use the predominate hand to operate a tv remote. It’s a guy thingie. Just sayin…

  358. OK Poolman … I can’t help but feed your paranoia … this one is just too easy.

    You notice the gov’t stripped the soundtrack from all the videos that they published? I wonder if one of them had Osama saying, “I am a CIA operative and have been for the past 20 years.”

    🙂 Happy Mother’s Day to you too!

  359. The right hand and the left hand are scarcely just symbolic to them. I should think, since the labeling of the right hand as clean and the left as dirty is centuries old, even predating Islam, that is a weak argument Poolman. Even if he were alone, which we cannot ascertain, he was recording the moment for posterity. Conspiracy theories always break down and the theorists always come back with another explanation and another and another. It is terribly threatening for some people to believe that average people and pure chance can affect history, but it has happened over and over throughout history. My lefty husband keeps the remote on his right in the family room and on his left in the bedroom, he uses the closest hand to flip channels in both cases. Just saying.

  360. Tex –
    “I hated being eight hours a day amongst very bright, very assured, and very naive 22-25 year olds seven days a week. ”

    Same thing here, although I was their age. We had a smart-assed red-headed, tall skinny sonofabitch named Matt B, whose father was the Provost for Health Sciences. He was smart enough, but so was everybody else and he was determined to show how smart he was. He would look stuff up beforehand, ask the prof questions and then correct him on some fine point or other.

    I am not making this up – someone cut the dick off of Matt’s cadaver and hung it on his apartment door. (no, not me…) He didn’t get it. He thought it was a good practical joke. A visiting British prof peered UNDER his spectacles at Matt, as one would regard a cockroach and said, “I SAY, who IS this space-occupying lesion?” My regard for the rest of my class was about the same. None of them had done anything in life except school; we were not best friends.

    “And you being a doctor can appreciate the trials of med school. It really wore on me, and with my wife transferred out of town two weeks after I quit my job, it made me miserable. Add to the fact I was trying to take care of elderly parents and still had one daughter at home in high school, I finally came to the conclusion too old. And the altruistic ideal of some profession was naivety on my part – the people sucked worse than corporate America.”

    You really cannot have a life and be a med student. You have to be able to put every minute of every day into it. I ran into the same thing when I closed my practice and went back for an EE degree. I just couldn’t get really focused because I had a life, with kids and other responsibilities.

    “I was born with perhaps the worst handicap a person can be born with – the inability to ever find my place, or my mission, something, anything that could hold my interest.”

    Jesus – you describe me perfectly.

  361. I saw Lara Logan last week on CBS. Disturbing?

    Well, that is what awaits all you women (even you Fake :twisted:) if by chance we lose this war. You’ll find many if not most Muslim animals men don’t really give a shit about all the feminine sensitivities, and how disrespected women have historically been.

    Now that isn’t going to happen to my five favorite people in the world: My wife, my mother, my daughters, my sister but over my broken body and a couple of empty chambers. In fact, that’s not going to happen to any women if I have anything to do with it – even you Fake.

    But you keep reminding yourself Fake it’s men like me that are your biggest concern and the cause of your problems.

  362. Damn, I looking at Obama on CBS being interviewed, and they have him so “gooped up”, he looks like he’s wearing base. The one thing I’ve never denied about Zero is that he “looks good.” This job is really wearing on him.

    Why anybody would want to be President and subject themselves to the grief is beyond me.

  363. Rutherford,

    it looks like one of the videos they released is him studying the real bin Laden. He goes to the menu where all the video clips are listed, then systematically takes it in and on to the next one down the line. He probably did this for months after plastic surgery. Too bad we don’t get to hear the audio. I notice a drill on the table and all the computers in the room, and the blacked out window. The person watching resembles OBL, but definitely isn’t him. Close up profile reveals a different person. The ear is probably the most obvious clue in this video. Compare with the real OBL who had elf-like ears. Of course the head shape is different. OBL has/had a more oval shaped head than this lookalike. We had to identify head shapes back in life drawing. That stuff always stands out right away. The other videos of this lookalike show the different head and body shape. He is also shorter.

    That’s why the body has been disposed of and the audio track is not included. The audio has already been proved false scientifically from all the later “OBL” tapes. If there was nothing to hide, nothing would be hidden.

  364. Sorry all, I have to engage. Poolman, I am confused. Please explain. It isn’t realy OBL, so which is it? The government is lying to us, or they are just dupes? And what would be the motivation there? You seem to be so invested in it not being the real OBL and I don’t get that either. I’m going to guess that your face doesn’t look like it did 10 years ago, and you’re also probably shorter 🙂 I’ll take the President’s word for it tonight on 60 Minutes: “It was him”. Of course he may have had a secret agenda. We only buried bin Laden’s body at sea. His head and brain we are keeping in a secret location to periodically record videos (without sound) so that we can keep up our war in Afghanistan, because we’re all having so much fun there.

  365. I’m watching Hillbilly Hand Fishin’ – they’re noodling for big catfish with these women in tow. Funny as hell. Sounds like something Poolman and I would enjoying doing. Sticking my feet in holes underwater barefooted? These city gals are pretty tough – I’m impressed. I guess these are paid tours.

    Poolman, you’ve lost me. I know you’re saying this wasn’t Bin Laden – but who did you think this poseur was? A Keebler elf?

  366. fakename,

    OBL is/was our manufactured boogeyman. There is credible information that says he died in December of 2001. This lookalike is boogeyman version 2, created by ? to keep the myth alive and the Al Qaeda threat alive. Some say we have/had the original OBL on ice since 2001. Others claim he was buried in an unmarked grave. It really doesn’t matter. All the bin Laden tapes released since his death have been deemed fakes by experts. They were all timed for political gain. The people benefitting from the myth are those profitting from ongoing war and control of oil.

    This isn’t a newsflash. Most of Reagan’s former cabinet and advisers are relating the same story. Plenty of intelligence and military personel recognize it. We just can’t find it on the Zionist controlled MSM. So unless you look below the surface, you can’t see how deep we are in this. There is so much floating on the surface that we are all seriously distracted.

  367. “We just can’t find it on the Zionist controlled MSM. So unless you look below the surface, you can’t see how deep we are in this. There is so much floating on the surface that we are all seriously distracted.”

    I think if you bear this little paragraph in mind, you can get a fine understanding of all these conspiracy theories and their basis. A lot of ultra Christians don’t like Jews right out of the starting gate (and all over that little unpleasantness a couple thousand years ago – it’s time to forgive and forget).

    As a strong Zionist myself (albeit an atheist Zionist), I take exception to Jew-baiting. Muslim-baiting and Christian baiting are, of course, OK.

  368. Poolman, love you guy, but on this issue, you are full of shit and so are your so called “experts.”

  369. PFesser…:) Poolman, “we” have Obama on ice? You MUST be kidding me. Is that like Lenin’s tomb? I hear they are having a hard time preserving him.

  370. fakename2 –

    Here’s how to handle OBL:

    My favorite poem of all time, done by the best I’ve ever seen. If you are not familiar, don’t start and not finish it. The answer is at the end…LOL

  371. Pfesser,

    Stick around long enough and you’ll figure out why Al-Poolman is affectionately called “Wizard”.

    However, Evangelical Christians (like me) are the Israeli Jews best friends. 😉 Mr. Poolman and I have gone round and round on this very subject…

    Osama “Bait” Laden. I still wish they would have thrown him off the tallest ship mast, instead of the soft watery push. Done my heart good to if he had ricocheted off the rail a couple of times too, before dropping.

  372. My mom visited on Friday and Saturday. Friday evening we were watching the news and the anchor reported that President Obama was being criticized for placing a wreath at GZ. “Why are they criticizing him for placing a wreath??” she wondered, a little miffed. “What is he supposed to put there?” I looked over at her and smiled as she pointed out “Well that’s what they put at the tomb of the unknown soldier.”

    So there.

  373. “Tex”, there is nothing Christian about you, evangleical or otherwise. Itt’s just how you like to think of yourself.

    Oh boy. The attempt at the ultimate cut. 😐

    Your understanding of the word Christian Fake comes from the secular world; say something like Time magazine editorials and a lifetime of skepticism. You incorrectly believe a Christian would be recognized as a doormat or do gooder, one who turns the other cheek and judges not, lest they be judged.

    But I do have to ask. What could possibly qualify you as my judge Fake? Am I supposed to put a great deal of weight in the opinions of a skeptic and scoffer of my professed faith? Surely you jest?

    Ironic, because everyone in my immediately family and those most familiar with me, including two brother-in-laws acting as pastors, do know me as a Christian. I tend to put far more weight in those who love me or know me outside a goofy blog, than one that wishes me dead. 🙂

    Personally Fake, I don’t think you have a clue to what a Christian is anymore than your pal Graychin did – your soul mate and partner in the most reprehensible package I’ve ever read on a board. To the best of my knowledge, neither of you have any qualities redeeming or edifying, besides longevity of thought.

    So I simply say this in response to your charges. You should have listened to your godly Grandmother Fake instead of your blood brother Graychin during your formative years. You would be far more satisfied with a measure of hope. As it is, you remind me of impending dark death.

    ———–

    Fake, though I owe you no respect and you’ve earned my disdain, let me put my faith into practice for once with you. Sorry to have to make this pubic on a board – I have no way to contact you, nor would I contact you personally.

    I find you with many of the very same symptoms you have accused me. I have recognized this for a while about you and figured one of your family members would tell you this. Perhaps they are as medically ignorant as you are and haven’t. Maybe they have and you have chosen not to listen. Perhaps you live in the denial. Lord knows it wouldn’t be your first time.

    You are clearly manic and are in need of help. I’m guessing that is why you appeared here on Mother’s Day – it is most likely one of your bluest days of the year, and you needed to lash out.

    Though you are not a stupid woman, you are an unstable woman Fake. You live in a constant state of fear and anxiety. And your blog authorship screams of “please help me.” Get to the doctor in case you lose your health insurance in the coming months, and do it immediately.

  374. The term “Christian” is so generic anymore. There are so many that would consider themselves in that very category. The original Jesus believers were called “disciples” and their movement “the way”. Plenty gave their lives for their confession. The book of Acts lays it out. The stories accounted therein (attributed to Luke a physician, as is the gospel that bears his name), along with the letters of Paul and others, describe a believer’s faith, lifestyle, and discipline. Nothing has changed regarding the “church” or the “God-man” relationship since then.

    Of course, man has conquered, divided, and categorized “Christianity”, taming it in innumerable ways. Most deny the supernatural and conceal the truly radical force it was/is. All denominations add unintended baggage to the journey.

    That is why many will be very surprised one day. As Jesus said in Matthew chapter 7, “…small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.”
    Most “Christians” today pose no threat to the world system or to any force of evil. They are essentially lukewarm and spiritually powerless. Truly most cannot even discern between evil and good. And then there are plenty just going about tilting at windmills…

  375. Most “Christians” today pose no threat to the world system or to any force of evil. They are essentially lukewarm and spiritually powerless. Truly most cannot even discern between evil and good. And then there are plenty just going about tilting at windmills…

    Perhaps. You speak as if you have some special spiritual discernment.

    So where’s your power, your conviction and your sphere of influence? No real offense meant, but being a loon and forever and predictably playing conspiracist, contrarian and devil’s advocate is not of benefit to the kingdom of God. It certainly doesn’t make an effective witness. It’s not tilting at windmills to say Islam is a grave danger and inherently evil by evidence of its own prophet, so where’s your own discernment?

    You speak nothing of ill of the most Christian country on earth, replete with lies and innuendo of the worst sort, always focused on the shortcomings, never making mention of the great good. You hate Jews. You’ve supported the murder of innocents, the fruit of the womb, under the guise of health care for your wife.

    So what am I missing where you would call yourself full of wisdom? It’s only me Poolman and I’m not qualified to be your judge, but I see a lot more Balaam than I do Solomon in you.

  376. Poolman, I read where you bad mouthed me on Fat Grannies. 😆 The shame…

    Do you spin these same fine conspiracy tales of Obama “faking” Osama’s death at Fat Grannies? You really ought to change your strategy and switch roles. That conspiracy stuff is so much more fitting at Fat Grannies.

    You might become a hero there at M&H and not viewed by consensus as a certified nut here. Got to keep the rooms straight scrubber.

  377. Hey Foolman, I forgot to ask you. How come Bush didn’t just lie about finding WMD? I mean, Obama has gone as far as using a stunt double for OBL, it seems a few boxes of anthrax would be an easy one to pull off.

    Poolman, you do know I’m an agent tracking your every move. I saw you in the bread isle the other day at the grocery store. You put the wheat bread down and gave into your cravings for bleached flour.

    Ps…those Little Debbie snacks will be the death of you.

  378. Wayne, obviously you are having issues with comprehension. I guess it is understandable given your limitations and sources. I don’t think Obama had anything to do with killing OBL or faking him still being alive. Look to the CIA, the creator and sponsor of OBL and his minions. Like I have said again and again, Obama is just the frontman, a symbolic head for the public’s consumption. Check out the video in 475. It is part 1 in a series of 6. These are real accounts from people that were in the know. That is how our country is really run.

  379. Rabbit, see 480, as it apparently applies to your comprehension, too.

    I was tracking you tracking my every move. I had my double switch the loaves, I ended up walking out with a loaf of rye, though the sourdough really tempted my palate…

  380. Rabbit,

    I kind of see Al-Poolman unwrapping the package of bread and taking a few bites of the heel before putting the loaf back on the rack, then stuffing a roast in the front of his pants – probably proselytizing to the young check out gal “Thank ya Lawd!” while sticking a few packages of Chicklets in his back pockets, claiming to look for the thin wallet.

    You just got to know the phony is a thief too. 😈

  381. I think they are spelled Chiclets now that I think about it. The scrubber divvies them up for the offering plate.

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