Let’s Do It Again and Holder Cries Uncle

Let’s Do It Again

What we won when all of our people united just must not now be lost in suspicion, distrust, selfishness, and politics among any of our people.

Believing this as I do, I have concluded that I should not permit the Presidency to become involved in the partisan divisions that are developing in this political year.

With America’s sons in the fields far away, with America’s future under challenge right here at home, with our hopes and the world’s hopes for peace in the balance every day, I do not believe that I should devote an hour or a day of my time to any personal partisan causes or to any duties other than the awesome duties of this office–the Presidency of your country.

Accordingly, I shall not seek, and I will not accept, the nomination of my party for another term as your President.
President Lyndon B. Johnson’s Address to the Nation March 31, 1968.

For the past few weeks, I really thought we would be hearing some variation of this speech from President Barack Obama. Everything that Lyndon Johnson said applies today with one more ingredient. The extra ingredient is a President who just cannot seem to catch a break. Whether it’s a tanked economy or humanitarian disasters, current or potential, Obama’s plate is always full and each situation seems to be a no-win. When you top that off with the now acceptable campaign strategy that he was not born in this country and is a secret Muslim, you really have to wonder why Obama didn’t say “I’m blowing this joint!”

Instead, Obama wrote to his supporters:  “We’ve always known that lasting change wouldn’t come quickly or easily. It never does. But as my administration and folks across the country fight to protect the progress we’ve made — and make more — we also need to begin mobilizing for 2012, long before the time comes for me to begin campaigning in earnest.” It is expected that before all is said and done, Obama will have raised and spent over a billion dollars to keep his Pennsylvania Avenue address. Again, in an economy where the average Joe cannot buy himself continued employment, this is another no-win for Obama.

I voted for Obama in 2008 and I still support him but I approach his reelection campaign with mixed emotions. The reality of governance has made another “hope and change” campaign impossible. There are just too many examples where his campaign rhetoric of 2007 and 2008 was obliterated by the real job of being President. So what does he run on this time? How does he inspire? Fortunately for him, he has no serious Republican contenders in the offing. But that could change. If things get desperate, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie might be convinced to run and then there will be a distinct danger of Obama being a one term President. If the GOP can find a clear credible voice that does not cater to the nutjob fringe, 2012 will be an interesting campaign year indeed.

Holder Cries Uncle

On Monday, Attorney General Eric Holder announced that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and several 9/11 co-conspirators would be tried in a military court. This was a 180 from his original stance that the 9/11 master mind and his cronies would be tried in a New York City civilian court. Did Holder have a change of mind? Not one bit. In fact, Holder’s announcement was full of resentment and barely veiled anger at having his hand forced.

What this means for America is justice further delayed as the military court process slowly grinds away. It also subjects the United States to international suspicion as we try KSM in what will no doubt be characterized as a kangaroo court. This outcome also provides the very dangerous precedent of the legislative branch interfering with the proper functioning of the executive branch of government. As Holder said in Monday’s press conference, Congress was in over its head in the KSM controversy. The Justice Department was in the best position to determine how to adjudicate the case.

Further complicating matters is the fact that closing Guantanamo Bay must now wait for the KSM trial to be finished. So the politicians who ensured that KSM cannot leave Gitmo will no doubt be the same politicians to criticize Obama for not fulfilling his promise to close Gitmo.

Remind me again why this man is running for a second term.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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342 thoughts on “Let’s Do It Again and Holder Cries Uncle

  1. “Remind me again why this man is running for a second term.”

    Because running for office is the only thing he does well.

  2. Rutherford, sometimes when you’re being completely honest, which is getting less frequent as I’ve think you’re leaking brain matter over your investment in Obama, you still pen some pretty good stuff.

    You’ve been such a partisan hack you’re entire life because you were raised that way, it must be a bitch when you think you’ve made it, only to find out the guy you elected is pretty much a bum. I don’t necessarily get the Obama lovefest as I always thought him a venal and lightweight asshole, and the fact I have less faith in politicians and politics than you do, but I can make an educated guess about the disappointment.

    I think the first part of this post is very fair, and I said much the same about Obama believing maybe he wouldn’t run again. But he’s such a malignant narcissist, I should have known. Liberals are so unworldly, they really have convinced themselves they are the intellects – a joke, as outside the circle jerk, they are generally the most helpless people on earth.

    ——–

    You should have left the first part of this as an individual post, because the second part is either an outright lie, or such convoluted horseshit, you must have been sniffing glue.

    Example?

    It also subjects the United States to international suspicion as we try KSM in what will no doubt be characterized as a kangaroo court.

    Is your memory really that bad, or are you such a partisan shill you’ve forced yourself to forget that racist prick Holder “GUARANTEED” a conviction? Now you tell me a better example of what represents a kangaroo court that the Attorney General of the United States guaranteeing a conviction on global TV?

    This is so complete bullshit with a huge dose of unmitigated gall (that you have to always add to make it palatable to Libs), that makes me almost retch.

    Here’s the deal. Man up and admit it.

    Obama is a pretty picture and not much else. He’s certainly no leader as not even you can not define our foreign policy. Obama has surrounded himself with the most incompetent bunch of rejects, the V.P. included, that this nation has ever had. I give you a comparison why even George Bush was much better and more effective than Obama.

    You guys absolutely hate Dick Cheney. You believe he’s ruthless, and I even admit he’s a hard ass. But the man is not stupid – in fact, he’s incredibly smart. Who the hell does Obama have to assist him that is competent and knowledgeable? Hillary?

    Short of Robert Gates, who is a Bush holdout, I honestly can not think of one capable staff member. Not one. Some of them are so bad, they’ve become comedy fodder of left-wing tabloids.

    That alone proves Obama, whatever his talents when not parroting the prepared speech, is not prime time material.

  3. Rutherford, see this comment:

    “Remind me again why this man is running for a second term.” Because running for office is the only thing he does well.

    Bingo. Huck nails it. And I think when I remove Rutherford’s partisan veil, you know it too.

  4. “…you really have to wonder why Obama didn’t say “I’m blowing this joint!”

    Had he done so, who would you support?

  5. Wow. How things have changed.

    Now days Rutherford decides to defend KSM with more vigor then Obama himself. LOL

    I remember when R was a royal trumpateer for the man’s every speech. Each new speech earned a new blog entry.

    Can you imagine the 2008 Rutherford reading his own blog in ’12?

    Rutherford. The definition of a kangaroo court is when the outcome has been determined by the government. The government guaranteed us the outcome. I’m glad you’re so worried about KSM, but as a lawyer, you’re doing the man no favors.

    I’m pretty sure Obama will win.

    However, watching him campaign, will be very painful for you.

    I use my laugh track joke here too much. But, listening to Obama’s campaign speeches from 08 in the year 2012 is like one giant sit com.

    While Hucking’s comment cracked me up, I don’t think its completely accurate. Obama only knows one way of selling himself. He has one shtick. And only one shtick. He can’t get away with any of his grandiose pep assembly in front of Dorian pillars shit again. He’s boring, distant and shockingly kind of dumb when he’s not doing his infomercial gig.

    Its going to be awkward.

    But, at least we are starting to see the real Rutherford. You have become much more interesting.

  6. KSM is going to a military court – because after the way he was treated by the Bushco thugs no civilian court would ever convict him.
    Torture is a violation of US and international law.
    Dubby moight just as well turn in his passport – he will never dare leave the country. Too bad that he should have to go elsewhere to see justice served.

  7. R, the precedent has been military courts, not the other way around. Holder is the one who said that if they were not convicted in a civilian court, then they would be tried in a military court, so it has always been Holder who has predetermined the outcome of this.

    Besides, who do you think told Holder to back off and go to the military court? Obama. Why? Because what those two wanted wasn’t in line with what the American people wanted (as is often the case).

    You don’t want to admit it, but this Presidency has been an abject failure from the get-go.

    I’m still waiting on my promised responses to my Tea Party post and the comment I made about your inherent racial tendencies…

  8. Not a glowing endorsement of the GOP plan, but a criticism of the lack of a Dem alternative…

    So don’t be distracted by the shutdown sideshow. For all the noise, the cuts politicians are shouting about this week are measured in the tens of billions. The Ryan plan would cut $5.8 trillion over the next 10 years. This is the important fight.

    Democrats have already begun to demonize the Ryan plan, but where is theirs? Two bipartisan deficit panels produced serious, workable proposals last year, which President Obama treated as if they had cooties. Asked Tuesday about Ryan’s plan, Obama said merely that he looks forward to having a “conversation” about the parties’ “sharply contrasting visions.”

    Attacking the Republican plan might reap short-term political rewards, but the lack of presidential leadership is distressing. Without a credible proposal of their own, it’s hard to believe the Democrats understand the danger posed by the rapidly escalating national debt.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2011-04-06-editorial06_ST_N.htm

  9. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/apr/06/guantanamo-bay-torture

    On the same day President Barack Obama formally launched his re-election campaign, his attorney general, Eric Holder, announced that key suspects in the 9/11 attacks would be tried not in federal court, but through controversial military commissions at Guantánamo. Holder blamed members of Congress, who, he said, “have intervened and imposed restrictions blocking the administration from bringing any Guantánamo detainees to trial in the United States.”

    Civilan trials work – when not obstructed by regressives.

  10. I’ll see Dogs useless GuardianUK article and raise you a Slate piece of shit.
    The progressives fawning over their own fallacies is so 2008ish. Get the fuck over it you losers!
    The only controversy there is over trials for enemy combatants come from the Left,who have long since forfeited their moral outrage over liberty and justice.
    STFU

  11. R you will never see a voluntary one term POTUS for so many reasons but I will say your soul searching and curiosity in this post was what made for a good post.thx for sharing.

  12. Dawg, hush up. The adults and the lucid are trying to have a conversation and you screaming for attention is distracting. Try not to ruin this thread like the Two Useful Idiot’s Blog.

    Rabbit, Infomercial is perfect – the perfect pitch in delivery of the Vegematic Salesman for President. Substitute “Let me Be Clear” with “Ginsu Knife” and that’s Him! 😆

  13. Man Alfie, that Slate article is prime red meat progressive material – a natural piece of shit.

    Every argument advanced to scuttle the Manhattan trial for KSM was false or feeble: Open trials are too dangerous; major trials are too expensive; too many secrets will be spilled; public trials will radicalize the enemy; the public doesn’t want it.

    Notice the model of how a Lib attempts to delegitimize fact as “false and feeble”, without giving justification how his reasons are false and feeble?

    Why are they false and feeble? Because Slate says so.

    Hopefully, people have caught on there is not much substance to Progressive politics – not much depth to Barack Obama or Nancy Pelosi. Soundbites.

  14. The Ryan plan is DOA… Every rethug in a swing district is fleeing.
    Potential GOP POTUS candidates won’t support it.
    CBA says it will INCREASE the debt.
    Hari kari – rethug style. What a show.
    It’s a regressive wet dream – not serious. All about cutting taxes for the wealthy and dumping the burden on the poor and the elderly.

  15. “the precedent has been military courts”<<<LIE
    3 military trials and 300 or so civilian ones – most with convictions.

  16. ““We’re on a debt crisis path. We are on a path where the government goes from 20 percent of GDP, to 40 percent then 60 percent of GDP. We’re on a path where our debt goes from about 68 percent of GDP to 800 percent of GDP over the three-generation window,” Ryan said.

    “I asked CBO to run the model going out and they told me that their computer simulation crashes in 2037 because CBO can’t conceive of any way in which the economy can continue past the year 2037 because of debt burdens,” said Ryan.”

  17. (MSNBC)- Could Palin be the next hot baby name?

    There are at least a few baby Palins out there. The number of families naming their babies Palin tripled from 2008 to 2009.

    Is it an homage to the former Alaska governor and vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin? You betcha! The name’s popularity spiked when she arrived on the national political scene. Of course, many new parents are always on the prowl for new and unusual names – perhaps they just liked the sound of it.

    The number of Palins recorded by the BabyCenter web site grew from 3 per million in 2008 to 20 million in 2009, and down slightly to 16 million in 2010. With statistics like that, you’ll have just as much luck running into a baby Biden as a Palin.

    “I would be very surprised if we saw a boom in the name Palin. It would be flying in the face of contemporary American history in political names,” says Laura Wattenberg, author of “Baby Name Wizard.” Baby Baracks enjoyed a similar mini-bump in popularity in 2009, but the name still remains even more rare than Palin.

    Fewer modern families are naming their children after politicians – period. Today, parents name babies to reflect personal style, not current events, said Wattenberg. That’s also why you’ll see fewer Juniors, too.

  18. enemy combattants (sic) are terrorists that Buchco knew they could not convict in a proper court.
    Changing thier name does not change the charge.

  19. “Civilan trials work – when not obstructed by regressives.”

    Oh really?….

    That was said to be the test run for Obama’s civilian courts and terror trials. See how well it worked? Go ahead and tell us all, Dog, how we screwed that case up for the prosecution. I’ll be anxiously waiting for your explanation.

    “All about cutting taxes for the wealthy ”

    Which Barack Obama did right before he asked Bill Clinton to defend the entire policy to the country. Like I told you, Dog. Your man Obama has continued more Bush-era policies than he has done away with. Even his pals in the press are starting to take notice of that.

    “Bitch, I’d like to see the source for #16. What CBA (?) analysis are you talking about?”

    Good luck with that. Dog doesn’t give sources and he considers asking for them a form of entrapment.

  20. “enemy combattants (sic) are terrorists that Buchco knew they could not convict in a proper court.
    Changing thier name does not change the charge.”

    Wrong again, idiot.

    Terrorists attack civilian targets to achieve a political end.

    Enemy combatants attack military targets to achieve a military end.

  21. Had he done so, who would you support?

    Huck that’s a difficult question as I have no idea who would enter the fray in Obama’s absence.

    I think I might like Anthony Wiener if for no other reason than to piss off all you conservatives 😆 I think he is Jewish so that would be a nice coup also … our first Jewish President.

    Despite all my misgivings about Hillary, if she changed her mind and ran, I’d jump on that train also.

    OK … I’ve got my Kevlar vest on now … let the bullets fly! 😀

  22. It would help if dog used the correct letters.

    He needs to get Collective Bargaining Agreements out of his mind when he is referring to the Congressional Budget Office.

    An office which has already backtracked on its claim that ObamaCare will lower the deficit and that the Stimulus would have the desired affect. I’d be careful citing anything the CBO says.

  23. R you will never see a voluntary one term POTUS for so many reasons but I will say your soul searching and curiosity in this post was what made for a good post.thx for sharing.

    First, Alfie, thanks for the compliment.

    Second, I did a bit (only a bit) of research on the 1968 election while writing this post and one could argue that even Johnson’s drop-out was not entirely voluntary. In early March, Eugene McCarthy gave him a run for his money in the New Hampshire primary coming in a close second. Then only a few days later Kennedy entered the race. Compound that with LBJ’s worries about his own health and you’ve got some compelling reasons not to run. Incidentally, LBJ died a few days after what would have been the end of his second term in January of 1973.

  24. I’d be careful citing anything the CBO says.

    Very true. And the real kicker is that it’s not even really the CBO that is at fault much of the time. To their credit they actually put out a report called “CBO Economic Forecasting Record” each year – the CBO admits they are not an exact science and their own internal audits prove that.

    http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/115xx/doc11553/ForecastingAccuracy.pdf

    The CBO is given a base set of assumptions – projected growth, projected interest rates, projected political proposals, projected unemployment figures, etc….some derived from other assumptions, some best guess or confidence interval based.

    It’s the old axiom – garbage in, garbage out.

  25. Red on Red.

    SAN FRANCISCO (CBS SF/ BCN) — A man who set up a table with political literature and a sign opposing President Barack Obama was attacked in San Francisco’s North Panhandle neighborhood, police and witnesses said Tuesday.

    Initial police accounts had indicated that the man had a sign supporting Obama, but witnesses later said it was an anti-Obama sign with a Hitler mustache drawn over the president’s face.

    The attack happened around 11:30 a.m. Monday in the 1200 block of Fell Street, where the victim, a 29-year-old Daly City man, had set up his table, said Capt. Denis O’Leary of the SFPD’s Park Station.

    A man and woman approached the victim, tore the sign and shook the table, causing the political literature to fall to the ground.

    The attackers also kicked the man in the hand, O’Leary said.

    The SFPD captain said he did not know whether the victim was a supporter or opponent of Obama, but a witness who was in the area Monday said the victim was a supporter of Lyndon LaRouche, a left-wing political activist who opposes the president.

  26. Unless Ron Paul steps up his game and runs, I will likely vote for Obama again. Of course the ideal ticket would be Ron Paul with Jesse Ventura as his running mate, as Jesse eluded to in the video I posted on the last thread. Ron would have to run as a libertarian or independent, since Ventura has much disdain for the two political parties as I do. Too much baggage and obligations are attached to those elements. Unfortunately, I don’t think the owners would allow that ticket. Besides, money is the winner anymore, in just about everything. Sigh.

    I don’t think it prudent to have anyone from the republican party proper in that position again soon, though as long as we have this two party system, we will see a republican president elected in 2016. Right now the GOP has no shining star to come in and take the spot for 2012, imho.

    If we can rein in the neocons and honestly force accountability from banking and the FED, re-establish industry safeguards with people-friendly regulation, we might get this country back from the corporates. It’s probably just a pipe dream at this point, really, as much as they have already invested in owning us. With the Supreme Court siding with industry and lobbyists writing our legislation, the citizenry are constantly being left in the dust. I think it is just a matter of how fast until we totally destroy what is left of this once great republic. We are on a downward spiral as a nation and those that see that are trying desperately to alert those in denial without losing their own livelihoods. I don’t think that there has ever been a time in history where there is so much knowledge and information available to the common man, yet so many choose to ignore the reality and live the fantasy.

    It is interesting to see Obama announce his desire to run again. I guess he must be making some progress behind the scenes that isn’t evident on the surface yet. I know things take years to turn in Washington. The results of one administration’s actions are often felt on the next, much like the first two years of this one’s have been. More Americans are waking up to truth daily, so we may see some real change in the next few years. There is always hope.

    The military tribunal of Gitmo detainees keeps them from public scrutiny and continues the deception of this “war on terror” poised to advance “democracy” and control of the energy resources we are addicted to. How much bloodshed is oil worth? I can’t answer that, but as an American consumer I certainly share in the guilt.

  27. Ryan’s plan to cut taxes for the wealthy and increase the deficit and costs for everyone else is so full of holes it is laughable. Keep defending it. Quotes will be saved for you to eat latter.
    The GOP was smart enough to avoid Ryan looniness a year ago – but not now. Buzz saw…

  28. I feel very confident that a great majority of the American people will look at Paul Ryan’s proposals as the first step toward restoration of fiscal sanity. Nobody under 55 is really impacted, and I’m not 55 yet and have absolutely no problems with it either. In fact, I think it is only a good start.

    Gorilla, that is real genius compared to this idiot’s statements about the environment. This is Senator Yeller Dawg quality. I though Carol Mosley Braun, Patty Murry, Al Gore, John Kerry, and Joe Biden were the dumbest Senators evah…

    I had no idea how wrong I was. All I can say is, if this goosestepping buffoon had her way, you better learn to hold your breath.

    http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/senator-boxer-dangerously-ignorant-on-co2/

  29. “Terrorists attack civilian targets to achieve a political end.

    Enemy combatants attack military targets to achieve a military end.”
    Exactly and these folks attacked civilian targets in the US – boy are you confused cannot
    even read your own words.

  30. Hmmm nobody under 55 impacted??? Just no Medicare or Medicaid and reduced or no SS for them. No change for them barf.
    And they get to pay for Grannie’s care or dump her in the street.

  31. Meanwhile Walkers boyz in WI got thumped – both lost! And the votes bode well for recalls of other Walker cronies.

    That’s right Tex – Ryan is out to screw you over unless you have no need for SS or Medicare and you can pay for grannies care as well.

    Those Dem “talking points” are called FACTS.

  32. I don’t think raising a billion dollars will work against him. What matters is how he gets more of his money and what kind of donors. Lots of small dollar donations and low number of big $$ donors or vice versa.
    I would argue Americans were a lot worse off in 2008 and still contributed greatly to his campaign.

  33. Your talking point FACTS are HORSESHIT Dawg. I would have thought my next sentence would have made it clear I had a typo, or a brain fart, or whatever you call it when one hangs around you too long.

    Ryan is not screwing me. But he might be saving my children’s generation. Without an abrupt change, Medicare, Medicaid are busted and Social Security is pennies on the dollar – that goes for anybody under 55, and anybody with a lick of sense knows that.

    Now some fool like you that will be dead before the tsunami hits and the bills come due, who cares right. As long as you can suck Liberty’s teat, you don’t give a damn. But for us parents that actually love our children, we recognize borrowing now to pay exorbitantly later is a losing proposition.

    But it’s even more inevitable that even Paul Ryan wants to admit. America is a couple of bricks from the wall of losing it’s AAA bond rating – making the excessive borrowing even worse. Inflation has already hit staples and energy and we haven’t even felt the pinch yet.

    Follow your advice, and we’re Greece.

  34. So I see in his false orgasm throes Dog is even worse at typing than usual,he’s mixing up his boogeymen.
    Hey yellow in #49 I think you falsely mean Ryan not Walker.I know you got your little pecker standing up and jizzing all over your pc but control yourself pavlov. Get a grip and not the one you obviously have going all ready.
    Walkers boyz?
    You mean the one that lost the county election by the same margin Walker failed in that county as gov,even though he had previously won it as commissioner?
    And you’re ecstatic about the marginally historic high court election with a tentative victory of only 200+ votes? The election that will undoubtedly result in a myriad of lawsuits and if Klapps wins will spin off another since one can make a better case against her than one could Prosser ie the dire need to obviously recuse herself from the big trial.
    Also of not in WI news is that with the help of 3 Dem senators,yes three of the heroes of the runaway and hide gang Walker signed into law binding budget rescue fixes and has secured a promise by the same margin + more that the CBA disemboweling legislation could get the go ahead if based on a 2 year term.
    Yeah jizz dog you guys are really kicking ass. You go something between your ears and it ain’t cheese.

  35. Open trials are too dangerous; major trials are too expensive; too many secrets will be spilled; public trials will radicalize the enemy; the public doesn’t want it

    I didn’t read the Slate article but I’m glad to point out why the points are feeble:

    Open trials are too dangerous
    We try men far more dangerous than KSM every day of the week. Total nonsense.
    major trials are too expensive
    Then we might as well shut down the whole legal system. KSM’s trial would not have been the first expensive trial in the history of our legal system and is probably a drop in the bucket when you add up the cost of trying and incarcerating drug users in the “war on drugs”.
    too many secrets will be spilled
    More nonsense. We’ve tried loads of enemy combatants in the civil court system without any grave risk to security disclosures.
    public trials will radicalize the enemy
    So does burning a Koran but we don’t give a sh*t about that, do we?
    the public doesn’t want it
    The public also doesn’t want to pay taxes but they have to. In this case, f*ck the public.

    I should go work at Slate. 🙂

  36. Oh yeah just have to say I love the analysis by the partisan hack who at least has the integrity to footnote the changes and myths of his analysis in your last bowl of puppychow.
    You are fucking lost cause. You don’t get it that something has to happen and too bad for you it is in fact more of a right of center solution than your commie wet dream.
    And one last thing for all you freaking progressives pissing about Ryan and SS.
    Where the fuck was your whining and bitchin’ when Obama “borrowed” against your future SS disbursements to give you that bs “95% of Americans tax cut”.
    I’ll tell you where you were. You were sitting in the corner like the three little monkeys.
    Hypocritical pieces of shit all of you!

  37. So, let’s see. Let’s make a few things simple for simple minds. I need you to answer a couple of general questions to test your ‘economic acumen’ Yeller Dawg.

    I believe Dawg, you’re a big proponent of higher education (cough, cough), right? That’s the road to prosperity we’ve all been sold? But tuition costs in higher education have increased at twice the rate of health care over the last 15 years. Where’s the selective outrage?

    Since Obama became President, the historical debt outstanding has increased from $10.3 trillion to $14.2 trillion. $3.9 trillion dollars later, exactly what do we to show for it again, because I’m having a difficult time determining exactly what has improved? It’s not jobs, it’s not monetary policy, it’s not inflation. You can’t say the S&P, because if you do I’ll point to where it was almost 15% higher under Bush in Oct 2007 that at anytime under Obama, and you all have called Bush a failure.

    So extrapolating out, let’s say by the end of the great Teleprompter Orator’s first term, we’re sitting at about $16 trillion dollars of debt, or 112% of GDP. We’re approaching Europe’s levels. How’s that working for Europe El Dawgbo?

    Answer those, and we’ll work our way into a little more difficult subject material…because I haven’t even touched on Ryan’s points yet. 😉

  38. Rutherford 51 you’re buying into the whole basket without thinking for yourself.Try some of these points:
    Defense attorneys of any number of Gitmo detainees have announced they have zero attention of defending their clients but rather attempt to “prosecute” the USA. Fuck them!
    Although the previous NYC trials of previous WTC shitbags was what they were given the attention of the whole KSM thing can you honestly not see the exponential differences?
    About public trials. Funny how Hamid Karzai made it a big deal to inflame radicals,and by that I mean forge stronger alliances with the Terry Jones Quranacue as opposed to elaborating on how successfully (without Rolling Stone or Der Speigels help) the members of the Stryker Bde. Was that trial in that little courthouse in Hartford? Nah!

  39. Have you read it

    Thanks G … I was hoping someone would post a link so I wouldn’t have to go hunting for it.

    I’ll try to read it later and see if it matches the rhetoric I’m hearing. My initial take on the comments from Pelosi and Wasserman-Schultz is melodrama but I need to research more.

  40. What matters is how he gets more of his money

    Good point Sensico. Despite the huge number of small donors in 2008, he also got lots of Wall Street and lobbyist support if I’m not mistaken. That may bite him this time around.

  41. But for us parents that actually love our children,

    LOL That comment reminded me of Elric. One of his last “tactics” on the blog before I temporarily canned him was to ask me “why do you hate your daughter?” 😆

    I haven’t seen the old crackpot in any of the usual venues lately. I hope he didn’t finally completely flip his lid. Hey Tex … if you know where he is, invite him back … wouldn’t an Elric/YellowDog face off be damn entertaining? 😉

  42. The terrorists should have been tried by Bushco long long ago.
    Why were they not? Bushco had no intention of ever trying them. Just torture them to death. They made no attempt to get a proper case file. Then the public go wind of thr torture and they had to shut it down wooopsie.

  43. Meanwhile Beck has been booted off his TV show. Something about losing 300 advertisers and most of his audience.
    Only advertizers left were those shilling to the paranoid – over priced gold, survival food and the like.

  44. Look, my favorite unpredictable conservative, Pat Buchanan put it very well and I paraphrase:

    We are headed toward a cliff and we’re going over it because Dem’s refuse to cut entitlements and Republicans refuse to raise taxes on higher incomes and cut defense. There will be no compromise and we’re going over the cliff.

  45. I stand a bleak chance of ever receiving social security when I retire, despite the fact that I’ve already paid in more than I could reasonably spend if I retired at 68 and lived to 100.

    When I was around 18 and didn’t know anything I remember learning for the first time that my friend’s parents were collecting “social security” checks every month, and the amount seemed like a pretty square deal to me back then. I was astonished also because they didn’t need this money at all. They were in more than good shape with Julie’s dad’s teacher pension and 0 balance owed on a really nice home on a lovely street in Bristol, Rhode Island. They drove nice cars and had someone cut their lawn and someone else clean their house once a week. They traveled and had dinner parties and wore nice clothes, especially Julie’s mom who had outstanding taste. They explained to me when I questioned the workings of the system that it’s really your money that you are getting back and that I can look forward to the same thing.

    What a great idea!

    In the 90’s my dad retired and eventually my mom did too. They both get social security now and my dad also gets veteran’s benefits. Despite raising five kids on a mechanical engineer’s salary and my mom’s part time job as a CNA, they managed to sock away a respectable nest egg. My dad took up bike-riding and worked another 10 years after retirement as a security guard for what he called “walking around money.” They really want for nothing these days. They haven’t had to make a mortgage payment in decades and they drive new cars every 6-7 years, although my mom’s cars last significantly longer than my dad’s. Their worries are few and consist mainly of my dad saying “Pardon?” a little to often for my mom’s sanity because he refuses to get a hearing aid. Plus he wants another new bike and there’s nothing wrong with the bike he has. 😉

    It’s said that Conservatives are afraid of change. I think everybody is a little too afraid of change. I don’t know a whole lot more now than I did when I was 18, but I do know that the government’s reluctance to take up and people’s unwillingness to consent to measures to fix the system and change the way we are doing things means that our children will have big worries. Worries that will make mine as I sit here watching my 401k still sitting below where it was before and way below where it needs to be seem as peaceful and easy as my parent’s hearing aid fusses seem to me.

    —–

    Something from the last thread – Johnny Cash does an amazing version of U2’s “One.” I go into a stupor listening for the instruments to come in. Johnny, guitar, then piano, then organ (chills).

    Liked your post, Rutherford.

  46. Rutherford, I don’t know what happened to Elric. It’s like he fell off a cliff one day. I went over to Weasel Zippers to look him up out of curiosity, but didn’t find him there either.

    I hope he’s okay. I liked him, even if he drove you nuts. And yeah, I’d like to see him rag on Dawg.

    As far as the kids, I don’t think Dawg loves anybody but Dawg – and possibly his walker Graychin. Now if Graychin the Gray
    Douche fell off a cliff…head first, into the Grand Lake rocks from about 80 ft. 🙂

    I’m a bastard for saying that, but if feels so right.

  47. Muffy, sounds to me like your parents did it right. Your mom being a CNA reminded me of my trail to medical school (more in a second). My parents did some of the same.

    They aren’t rich by any means, but the house was paid for years ago and its nicer than mine. My father drew a lump sum SS at 62 and said see you Uncle Sam.

    At the time I thought he was crazy for doing. Looking back, it appears now pretty wise move.

    Here’s the funny story about my attempt at being the “CNA.”

    ——–

    My resume was pretty thin to apply to medical school. All had were the prerequisites and the MCAT. So on a whim, I paid $500.00 to attend two weeks of CNA training so I could say, “Oh yeah, I’ve got medical experience 😉 ” One week is classwork, and one week is OJT.

    That was the two most miserable weeks of my life. First, most of the people in there were applying to nursing school. I was the only planned doctor. I was 10-15 years older than anyone else, and there was one lady in there who I had taken Honors Chem with that wanted to be a doctor, but just couldn’t handle the chemistry. She wasn’t dumb by any means – just really struggled with Chemistry. I’m sure she’s a nurse by now.

    Anyway, she was probably in her 30s I’d guess, and about as round as she was tall. We partnered up to learn how to assist moving people. As I’m sure your mom could attest, there’s a lot of obese people in the world anymore.

    One of the exercises you learn is to how to save your own back by using a belt to enable you to use your legs to lift instead of straining your back as you lift someone of the chair.

    Anyway, I guessed this gal weighed about as much as I did, so I thought it would take considerable force to lift her out of the chair. I put the belt around her, used my legs like was supposed to, and gave a mighty grunt.

    I about put her in orbit. :lol:. She was mad as hell thinking I’d done it on purpose, but I had watched these women struggle with lifting their partners, and thought I was going to have give considerable effort to move her. Not only did I practically bounce her off my chest, but the snap of the neck did her no good either. 😆

    I felt like a damn woman abuser, and the instructors thought I was a madman. 😳

  48. This really belongs on the previous thread, but I’ll put it here in the hopes everyone sees this, but most importantly BIC see this. Because I think he’s going to stand up and clap.

    If you want to see Senator Asshole Lindsay Graham (SC-RINO) get ripped a new one for suggesting the infringing on free speech, watch this. 😈

  49. Hey Gorilla, what kind of hand gun do you suggest for under a grand?

    I’m thinking of getting my permit to conceal, after all.

    I’ve had a few bad vibes lately while out and about. Swear I was being followed from the coin dealer yesterday. Looked like Arabs to me. It be real easy to hang out at a coin store and follow someone home. I was going to have them follow me to my cousins 1%er Clubhouse but they turned off.

    Yellowdog, doesn’t get more paranoid then that does it.

  50. Now that you have actually done a post mentioning Obama, R (Side A), I’ll comment about that. The first thing I thought of when I heard the President was announcing his bid for reelection was your blog (you must be doing something right!) Specifically I thought, I wonder where the people on R’s blog think that billion is coming from? It ain’t gonna be all from George Soros.
    There is entire army out here of quiet people (unlike us) just waiting.
    On a related note, the DISapproval rating for Rick Scott, the current governor of Florida (a Tea Party fave) has gone from 22% to 48% in 3 months, i.e., since he actually took office. Maybe even the TP’s are starting to take off the blindfolds. Too bad they elected this crook first.

  51. Fakename,

    The way I see it, if a Tea Party politician doesn’t sell out, it’s impossible for him or her to be very popular. Austerity measures usually piss off 85% of the population. Everyone is for cuts until it hits them…especially old folks.

  52. There’s an even bigger army (unlike me) that recognizes Obama, freed from the restraint of having to get elected will turn ever further Left, attempting to implement his racist and socialist agenda, run roughshod with his cronies/communist appointees, no longer hide his strong Muslim ties and will sell this country out to our enemies, and could turn the Supreme Court into a true Kangaroo Court of Red Diaper babies – which until now has been tacit and disguised under Mr. Cool.

    We know better – this is one vicious and wicked bastard that needs to be blasted into the dustbin of history.

    I predict by the Summer of 2012, inflation will have reared its ugly head, the Afghan War lost, and the economy hanging by a thread. And all the idiot RNC has to do is step out of the way and let the people provide a respectful candidate with half a brain – not Sarah Palin, not Michelle Bachmann, not Newt Gingrich, and absolutely no McCain, eunuch RINO.

    Then the good people of America must absolutely, positively make sure that no mass cheating, stealing, voter intimidation, ACORN bullshit, and ballot box stuffing is allowed because fair people know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the left-wing of the Dimocratic party is without honor, without truth, and without righteousness – henceforth to be treated as an enemy of America.

    If those things happen, a respectable candidate with a measure of debating skills, an economy in chaos as I predict, Dimocrats continuing to show their lame asses unable to manage a lemonade stand or fight Barbie, Dimocrats fighting tooth and nail to pass any meaningful debt reduction and lying about it like they are now lead by the incomparably stupid Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, with the mountain of debt smoking and the country reeling…then

    ….All the Republican candidate need do is point a finger at Obama and say to the audience, “Do you want this man unimpeded without restraint for another four years, to give us more liberal Supreme Court Justices, more failed wars, more broken promises, more debt, more appeasing our enemies and spitting in the face of our allies like Britain, another four years of racist Attorney General? Do you America?”

    And the election won’t even be close.

    But the Republicans, the Tea Party, the Libertarians must declare war this time, be prepared to act just as nasty, just as vicious, be sharp as eagle’s eyes, be absolutely willing to let in hang even in the face of physical violence and willing to give better than they take, because it’s going to get rough and this time it is going to get real nasty because that bullshit in 2008 will not, I repeat will not be allowed to happen again. Prepare for battle, possibly war and this time pull out all the stops willing to make any sacrifice to bury these bastards and bitches 60s rejects, that have damaged our country all these years.

    It’s the Republicans to lose.

    And maybe we can finally bury the Graychins, the Fakes, the worthless pieces of shit from the 1960s that our now leading this country into ruin. I hate these bastards and bitches and it is time to put their noses in the dirt and stomp the living hell out of them.

    Bring it on. I can hardly wait to do battle this time. This isn’t stopping Obama like 2010. This is putting Obama to the curb.

    I can hardly wait for the rematch.

  53. I made nice chunk off a penny stock called Bourque Industries Inc (BORK) from Poolman’s neck of the woods.

    This shit sounds like a Spider Man 4. Some metal called “Kryron” can stop bullets. It was on the local Phoenix news. They showed a helmet stop an AK47 bullet.

    The way I see it, there might be a lot of suckers out there who believe this stuff.

    Stock tripled at one point. I sold at double. Thinking about buying again, if they are going to pull any other media stunts.

    It’s called Kryron for shits skakes. Let it go viral on you tube. Lots of vids of “Kryron” doing amazing shit. (Oh yeah, it conducts electricity too…lol)

    I’m a regular Warren Buffet. Kryron…you heard it here first.

    🙂

    Rabbit is on fire. Sucking from the government’s teat is just my day job.

    Rutherford, lets do lunch babe. Take my card.

  54. Their worries are few and consist mainly of my dad saying “Pardon?” a little to often for my mom’s sanity because he refuses to get a hearing aid.

    LOL Muffy, are you sure we’re not siblings? My Dad had the same aversion to hearing aids. He finally got them but doesn’t wear them all the time. My Mom is no longer around to bug him about it but I bothered him mercilessly until he finally bought them. 🙂

  55. I hope he’s okay.

    As much disdain as I had for Elric, I certainly don’t want any harm to come to the old fool. Elric impressed me as one of those who was either a harmless blog reader sitting in his mother’s basement in his underwear, or a dude one heartbeat from going postal on someone. I hope the latter didn’t happen. I think BiW was the last among us who didn’t ban him (LOL).

    Hey BiW …. have you heard from him lately?

  56. Yeah, its hard to tell online, but I got a very bad vibe about Elric. He certainly never once was human online, which I suppose I can’t blame anyone for.

  57. Tex, the first paragraph of your latest comment gives me a job idea for you. Apparently Glenn Beck has been fired (or “transitioned out”). How are you in front of a camera dude? 😆

  58. Apparently Glenn Beck has been fired (or “transitioned out”).

    You don’t “fire” the host on the third highest rated show on cable.

    His contract was up in December.

    I imagine that it is pretty exhausting to put togther an hour of tv and three hours of radio a day.

    This allows him to stick with the radio, and he will still be making specials for FOX.

  59. Well I’ll tell you … I’m gonna need some f*cking Kryron tomorrow morning when my daughter finds out I forgot to vote for American Idol tonight. If her fav gets voted off, I will never hear the end of it.

    In the words of Tex, I am in some deep shiite!!!!

  60. You know “R” and “Rabbit”,

    For all of our bullshit and our battles, I always got the impression with you two that in the real world, minus the internet bravado, we’re all pretty comfortable in our skin, could sit down and have lunch and leave the petty bullshit aside and have a good time. Bet I could make both of you laugh and feel comfortable.

    In other words, both of you are pretty normal and treat this like I do – a fad, fun, a hobby and it passes time. I think pretty much the same of BIC, Gorilla, Alfie, Tigre, the late Jim Dougan, and few others that have passed through this way. Even Chen Rutherford, who I thought was just a kid – and he was fun. I was later proven right. And he is a hoot.

    I’ll be the first to admit I’m a blowhard here. You really think I want Graychin to fall off a cliff head first? 😈 I don’t like the SOB and think he’s a smarmy, overrated, pompous asshole, and I absolutely disdain Fake and bet most people do to – and in fact I hate every liberal I’ve ever met from that generation. I probably wouldn’t piss on them if they were on fire. But I don’t want them dead and wouldn’t walk across the street to shoot them. They’re irrelevant to me.

    But there are a couple that roll through here and at Chen’s that I’ve often wondered about who the hell is on the other end? Some wacko, some weirdo, some retard (I know, that’s not politically correct), some pervert?

    This place and a few others fill a void that one day will hopefully end. I use it in between breaks of chores, and when nothing is on TV and the Mrs. is gone. My TV is off during the day. I’m getting tired of playing Suzie Q Homemaker, even if I do have the most stress free life in the world, and I need a purpose. This has become a really bad habit like smoking.

    But I enjoy it, even enjoy the give and take with you Rutherford. If I didn’t or it bored me to tears, I’d have been gone long ago harassing some other poor soul.

  61. LOL BiW did you just get back from feeding your unicorns? Need I remind you that the only show on MSNBC getting decent primetime ratings was Keith Olbermann and his ass got fired because he was too much trouble for his bosses.

    The same happened to Beck.

    Now go back to feeding you unicorns. They’re getting hungry again. 😉

  62. Glen Beck got canned because the dude was impossible to watch. His spirituality stuff was not what people want to see at 6 in the evening on a Tuesday Night. And when we were not getting some overly emotional weirdness, he was talking at us like morons. It grew old quick.

    I find him very unlikeable.

    He’s a guy I can totally see one day being caught in some scandal, although I have no business saying shit like that.

    That being said, I wish he was staying on. He did a great job exposing ACORN and is awesome when it comes to the debt. I can honestly say he made the country better.

  63. Glenn Beck? I love him. He’s a hoot in small doses. But no, I’m not him. He’s much sweeter than I am.

    I had a feeling Beck was gone before long. Beck ventures where angels fear to tread and he is a lightning rod. I guarantee he’ll land on his feet and FOX will be lesser for it.

    I actually think Beck does some absolutely great work, and I know where he’s coming from, which makes me a kook in your book. But trust me, he’s got some insight most at FOX don’t.

    FOX has really bored me lately. I actually watched CNN during the tsunami, because I thought they were doing a better job. Have no fear righties – I haven’t gone to the dark sid.

    I think FOX is starting to cave to political correctness. I noticed it some months back. When they do, their ratings will tank.

  64. DR ,,, be careful about endorsing Beck’s monetary theories. I just read some stuff he supposedly said that sounded a lot like Poolman. It’s the Zionists dude … it’s all their fault. 😎

  65. The same happened to Beck.

    Yeah, that’s why he’s taking one of the Fox VPs with him back to his own production company.

    I’ll repeat that. His own production company. Just like you hero, Olbermann with his own produc…no, wait. He doesn’t have a production company, or a three hour a day radio show.

    Huh. Funny, that.

  66. I should go work at Slate.

    I think you’re right, and that you probably believe this to be a compliment.

    😆 Classic!

  67. ” I probably wouldn’t piss on them if they were on fire. ” -Tex

    Holy shit that made me laugh out loud.

    I thought Beck’s ratings tanked? Am I wrong?

  68. “R”,

    DR ,,, be careful about endorsing Beck’s monetary theories. I just read some stuff he supposedly said that sounded a lot like Poolman. It’s the Zionists dude … it’s all their fault.

    I don’t listen to Beck all of the time, but that is when the TV generally comes on Rutherford at the Taylor household. I’m not exactly sure what you refer, but I can assure you beyond a shadow of a doubt Beck is the antithesis of Al-Poolman when it comes to Zion.

  69. I thought Beck’s ratings tanked? Am I wrong?

    From the official press release:

    For the 27 months that “Glenn Beck” has aired on Fox News, the program has averaged more than 2.2 million total viewers and 563,000 viewers 25-54 years old, numbers normally associated with shows airing in primetime, not at 5pm. “Glenn Beck” has dominated all of its cable news competitors since launch.

  70. Nah, Beck’s rating are still the highest out of prime time – I mean way out there ahead of everybody else. Beck’s ratings at 5:00 PM are much higher than anybody, anytime at CNN or MSNBC. At least they were last I looked which is pretty recent.

    But Beck had become a lightning rod and he didn’t give a damn about some threat of advertising. He never backed off and probably crossed Ailes or Murdoch at some place.

    When he’s on, and sometimes Beck is too goofy for me, but when he’s on like he was yesterday, I think he’s the funniest and most clever political commentary on television. Only Limbaugh can be funnier consistently in my book. O’Reilly is the one that bores the hell out of me – I’m luke warm on old Bill. Dennis Miller however is dynamite.

  71. Weird. In February Glen Beck was at an all time high: About 3.5 million. He seemed to spike there quickly and then crash back down to 2 million. I’m guessing 2 million is still pretty good in that time slot, although he does seem to be free falling.

    He did do a great job of exposing the left and who is behind it.

  72. “None of you will agree with the author……”-R

    I couldn’t get past the 1st sentence without cracking up.

    Dude….the disconnect!!!!

    This economy sucks and is getting worse. If anything, people are trusting the government less and less. I guess you didn’t look at the food stamp chart.

    Gold and silver are the ultimate hedge for Uncle Sam right now. And we’re at record highs.

  73. Hey Rutherford, like Rutherford I read complete conjecture mixed in with liberal lie in the dryer lent drivel you posted. I’m not even going to argue about the economy, but here’s a point you really need to get straight:

    A few months before that, he had attacked the Jewish billionaire George Soros, a Holocaust survivor, as a “puppet master” and read descriptions of him as an “unscrupulous profiteer” who “sucks the blood from people.” Beck falsely called Soros “a collaborator” with Nazis who “saw people into the gas chambers.”

    I think you and Dana Milbank need to grab a clue, because Beck was and is absolutely right about George Soros.

    http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2010/09/06/holocaust-denial-george-soros-vs-the-tea-parties/

  74. Hey Gorilla, what kind of hand gun do you suggest for under a grand?” – DR

    I conceal carry a Colt 1911 Commander .45. It is more compact than traditional 1911s but holds the same capacity. I use 135 grain starfire hollow points, which go in the size of a grape and come out the size of a watermellon. But it depends on shooter skill as well. You’re a nig enough guy to handle a .45, so that would be my choice, but you have to be able to shoot because you’re only going to have 6 in the stack and 1 in the pipe. If you’re a bad shot, I’d look at 9mm, which has a lot more capacity, but none of the stopping power.

    Also keep in mind, the 1911 is single action, so you have to cock it manually before you can fire (I’m a bit old-school), so you may be more interested in double action, which is just point and click. Sig Saur and H&K make AWESOME guns, but they’re a bit pricey and I’m sure you don’t need something rated for SOF. Taurus makes good guns at discount prices (they started off by doing knock-offs of other guns).

    Besides, there’s something to having a nearly half inch hole pointed at your face that causes one to ponder life style decisions…

  75. I thought Beck’s ratings tanked? Am I wrong? – DR

    In a word, yes.

    April 5
    Net 5PM P2+ (000s) 25-54 (000s) 35-64 (000s)
    FNC GLENN BECK 1,911 551 885
    CNN SITUATION ROOM 649 195 252
    MSNBC HARDBALL WITH C. MATTHEWS 648 163 244
    CNBC FAST MONEY 242 63 133
    HLN SHOWBIZ TONIGHT 144 78 82

    April 4
    Net 5PM P2+ (000s) 25-54 (000s) 35-64 (000s)
    FNC GLENN BECK 2,017 555 1,038
    CNN SITUATION ROOM 570 106 188
    MSNBC HARDBALL WITH C. MATTHEWS 554 90 194
    CNBC FAST MONEY 211 60 114
    HLN SHOWBIZ TONIGHT 166 72 91

    April 1
    Net 5PM P2+ (000s) 25-54 (000s) 35-64 (000s)
    FNC GLENN BECK 1,682 344 803
    CNN SITUATION ROOM 701 181 278
    MSNBC HARDBALL WITH C. MATTHEWS 616 120 272
    CNBC MONEY IN MOTION 153 48 77
    HLN SHOWBIZ TONIGHT 205 60 114

    March 31
    Net 5PM P2+ (000s) 25-54 (000s) 35-64 (000s)
    FNC GLENN BECK 2,101 495 981
    CNN SITUATION ROOM 608 143 270
    MSNBC HARDBALL WITH C. MATTHEWS 549 164 206
    CNBC FAST MONEY 205 39 111
    HLN SHOWBIZ TONIGHT 137 63 81

    Need I continue?

  76. Bloomberg Businessweek cover, “The More You Make, The Less You Pay,” by Jesse Drucker: “For the 400 U.S. taxpayers with the highest adjusted gross income, the effective federal income tax rate fell from almost 30 percent in 1995 to just under 17 percent in 2007, according to the IRS. And for the approximately 1.4 million people who make up the top 1 percent of taxpayers, the effective federal income tax rate dropped from 29 percent to 23 percent in 2008. It may seem too fantastic to be true, but the top 400 end up paying a lower rate than the next 1,399,600 or so.”

  77. Beck may not care about adverts – but his boss does,
    And his viewers are old male paranoid retirees on SS who don’t buy anything.

  78. President Barack Obama hits a losing trifecta with Florida voters: They disapprove 52 – 44 percent of the job he is doing; they prefer an unnamed Republican challenger by a too-close-to- call 41 – 38 percent in the 2012 presidential election and say 51 – 42 percent that the president does not deserve a second term, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.

    http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1297.xml?ReleaseID=1584

  79. (Digital Spy) – Oprah Winfrey reportedly does not plan to publicly support Barack Obama in the 2012 US presidential election.

    Winfrey supported Obama’s campaign in 2008, holding a highly publicised political rally for him during his presidential challenge.

    According to a Gallup poll conducted before the rally, Winfrey’s favourable ratings fell from 74 to 66% while her unfavourable ratings jumped from 17 to 26%.

    Her TV show ratings also fell following the event.

    A source has told PopEater that Winfrey doesn’t want to do anything to alienate viewers now that she has launched her OWN network.

  80. rom Fox’s perspective, the facts about Mr. Beck’s run on the network have been public and indisputable. Among those were the refusal of hundreds of Fox advertisers to allow their commercials to be placed on Mr. Beck’s program, and a history of incendiary comments that attracted harsh backlash, including one where the host called President Obama a racist and another where he compared Reform Judaism to radical Islam.

  81. When the government gets shut down tomorrow and the accusations over why start to fly, everyone needs to remember these words, and make sure everyone around you remembers them, as well….

    “House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer said today that Congress will not pass a traditional budget resolution this year because long-term deficit questions are better left to President Obama’s bipartisan deficit commission, an 18-member panel charged with creating a plan to bring down the deficit to 3 percent of the economy by 2015.

    “It isn’t possible to debate and pass a realistic, long-term budget until we’ve considered the bipartisan commission’s deficit-reduction plan, which is expected in December,” he said. “I believe that Congress must take up and vote on that plan.”

    House Dems punted the budget because of Obama’s debt commission. The GOP had nothing to do with any of it, contrary to all of the bullshit we’ll be hearing next week.

  82. Besides, there’s something to having a nearly half inch hole pointed at your face that causes one to ponder life style decisions…

    Never dreamed my blog would become the place to learn how to blow someone’s head off.

    I’ve got much better advice for Rabbit: Stop the macho sh*t; forget the gun; stop walking around neighborhoods at night where you don’t feel safe; remember you have a wife that loves you and a kid who needs you.

    Legal disclaimer:The Rutherford Lawson Blog does not advocate the use of a gun by civilians for any other purpose but hunting. Law enforcement is for trained professionals, known more colloquially as the police.

  83. Need I continue?

    Yes, yes you do. Beck beats the competition but his ratings have fallen precipitously from their high so you proved nothing.

    But staying with your stats for a moment … they only serve to prove what I have said. If Beck is beating the competition, as he is, then why would Fox can him? Because he has become a liability who’s not worth the ratings anymore.

    Also your ratings stats don’t account for the sponsors that have fled the show.

    C’mon G (and BiW) just swallow your pride and admit your man wore out his welcome.

  84. G, stop quoting polls … it’s worthless … I can find polls that say Obama is making a rebound in popularity. The polling contest is a zero sum game. You’re wasting your time.

  85. Well Huck you actually just provided a decent excuse for why the Dem’s didn’t pass a budget …. and I assume the deficit commission being referred to was Simpson-Bowles? That was bi-partisan.

    So you’ve just let the Dem’s off the hook. Thanks. 😉

  86. meanwhile Ryan bases his ode to the rich on that “unbiased source” the heritage foundation…..whose numbers were so laughable they have already pulled them.

    The main barriers to and agreement – abortion and environmental issues….nothing to do with the budget and a lot to do with pandering to the kock-up brothers and bedroom fascists…

  87. “So you’ve just let the Dem’s off the hook. Thanks.”

    Actually, I didn’t. There isn’t anything that mandated they wait on a commission that was ordered by Obama. That was a choice dems made. The only way it would have been mandated is if the pres. threatened to veto it if they didn’t. Do you need a reminder of his party?

    Also, if the latest attempt passes the Senate, that will also be a bipartisan decision, no? But Obama says he will veto it. So if the 2010 House Dems don’t own this, the 2011 Executive dem does.

    Take your pick.

    “meanwhile Ryan bases his ode to the rich on that “unbiased source” the heritage foundation”

    Dog, why does Ryan have any say in the 2011 budget that should have been passed in 2010?

  88. Beck was barking up a few wrong trees. Sometimes he was just barking at the moon. But he hit on some real issues.

    When you can’t control the messenger, you can’t control the message. He’ll be fine with his wealth and his household name.

    He isn’t the first to be censored, nor will he be the last.

  89. Beck is toast – the history of personalities with thier own network is poor. Besides his fan teabuggers don’t like to actually pay for anything. $19.95 a month extra to watch Beck – not a chance…

    Stop the LIES fing hypocrite.

  90. Which part am I lying about?

    That Ryan has a say in the budget because last year’s dems didn’t pass one?

    That Steny Hoyer said they wouldn’t be passing a budget because they wanted to wait on a debt commission that nobody said they had to wait on?

    That a bill on Obama’s desk from a bipartisan congress would be bipartisan?

    That if Obama vetoes that bipartisan effort to avoid a shutdown he owns the shutdown?

    Which part is a lie?

  91. we can only assume you are refering to the debit commission – the one that never put out a report….so dont LIE

  92. Yellowdog, after reading all of your comments, I am laboring to understand your point. I am a lifelong democrat but don’t get it. What lies are you talking about? You sound like nothing more than an agitator.You’ve got to admit that we really dropped the ball. You shouldn’t be gloating. With so many flaws in the republican party, it is a disservice to pretend that we’ve handled the budget crisis properly or the republicans are at fault for it. Nobody believes that.

  93. This is funny . Alfie now deletes all comments that do not fit his regressive view of the world. In fact the site is blocked period.
    PS the debit commission issued no offical report. Lots of wishful thinking – but anybody can do that – even bozo.

  94. I deleted your spamming and closed the comments on a post where thread content had veered away from the post. It is in keeping with stated policy of the blog policy.You specifically were targeted because you continued to evade reasonable questions,like the pussy you are.
    Also anyone can go to the pdf or the commissions site and see that they did indeed submit a final report.

  95. Regressives cannot stand the truth so they make crap up and delete the truth…
    The truth is “off topic” for regressives.

  96. Hey Rutherford I’m 100% sorry to do this to your thread but…

    Dog you lying useless sack of shit. In your misspelled comment (128 debit ,and 130) you yourself said issued. Now you change it to the vote on it. Well fucktard that seems a little bit like framing.It is also obvious to anyone that reads the comments and knows reality knows that Congress actually **voted** on a **final** report** that was** issued**.

  97. framing….. parsing… shameless
    that report is meaningless – don’t parse words with me bozo.
    Congress critters publish crap all the time – that does not make it official anything.
    Bozo alert!!!
    Save your parsing for Sunday church.
    The fact is that the report has NO OFFICIAL STATUS.
    About like Walters and his illegal bill…until a judge whacked him.

  98. The report was never ISSUED because it was NEVER APPROVED… get that bozo?
    Did someone put out a copy? They were pushing thier own personal agenda and did not represent the committee. So what – NOT ISSUED BY THE COMMITTEE – that is all that matters.
    I can issue crap too – equally “issued” NOT.

  99. The reason for the belligerence you see from the regressives is clear. They are afraid – and depiritly trying to point fingers everywhere but where it belongs.
    Every poll – even most of the usually right twisted polls show that the regressives will get blamed for a government shutdown.
    Every poll shows that when asked about specific cuts on social programs the public opposes hacking into social programs – social security, Medicare, Medicaid, Pell grants, Planned Parenthood NPR and the rest.
    There are a lot of teabugger congress critters who will not see a second term when they try to explain to their district their stand on these issues. How many will they drag down with them?

  100. “we can only assume you are refering to the debit commission – the one that never put out a report….so dont LIE”

    You don’t need to assume that is what I am talking about. I told you that is what I was talking about. Or, more specifically, that is what Steny Hoyer said he was talking about. So where’s the lie?

    “The fact is that the report has NO OFFICIAL STATUS.”

    That has been my entire point this whole time. Hoyer, the Democrat House Majority Leader at the time, said in June a budget would not be passed because Democrats wanted to wait on the findings of the deficit commission. The one that, as you pointed out, couldn’t wipe its own ass and had NO OFFICIAL STATUS.

    Get that? Democrats said the commission was worth waiting for. Not the GOP.

  101. “It isn’t possible to debate and pass a realistic, long-term budget until we’ve considered the bipartisan commission’s deficit-reduction plan, which is expected in December,” he said. “I believe that Congress must take up and vote on that plan.”

  102. ..so what…. that plan is DEAD…get over it .
    That plan was “considered” and tossed in teh rubbish where it belonged.
    Pathetic framer.

  103. Meanwhile hundreds of thousands will not get paid – and the rethugs did it.
    Very smart – NOT! They are fools.

  104. “That plan was “considered” and tossed in teh rubbish where it belonged.”

    Yep. And who was it who thought it was so important in the first place?

    “Meanwhile hundreds of thousands will not get paid – and the rethugs did it.”

    What did they do to not pay people? Did they kill the latest attempt? No. That was the senate. Harry Reid now carries the shutdown football.

  105. But staying with your stats for a moment … they only serve to prove what I have said. If Beck is beating the competition, as he is, then why would Fox can him? Because he has become a liability who’s not worth the ratings anymore. – R

    First off, you’re making a huge assumption that Beck got canned.

    Beck is huge. Between his books, radio, TV and his tours, he is a monster few can equal. Let’s consider for a moment that he was considering taking over a network. TV versus network- does that really sound like a demotion?

    Beck got bigger than Fox could handle and Beck wanted to move to an arena where Beck had better control of Beck.

  106. Never dreamed my blog would become the place to learn how to blow someone’s head off.

    I’ve got much better advice for Rabbit: Stop the macho sh*t; forget the gun; stop walking around neighborhoods at night where you don’t feel safe; remember you have a wife that loves you and a kid who needs you.

    Legal disclaimer:The Rutherford Lawson Blog does not advocate the use of a gun by civilians for any other purpose but hunting. Law enforcement is for trained professionals, known more colloquially as the police. – R

    The 800lb Gorilla Blog advocates A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. However, the 800lb Gorilla Blog does not advocate intentionally placing one’s self into a position where the use of force will be necessary.

    Bottom line: don’t be stupid and look for trouble, but there is nothing wrong with being prepared for trouble if it comes looking for you.

  107. The next few days should be very interesting. The teabuggers have built a trap for themselves and are now insisting on falling into it. A lot of them will never win another election as they go back home and try to explain the cuts they flogged. And not only them – all the retugs already have horrid poll numbers – heading towards single digits. Will boner be House leader after this? Doubt it.

    http://democrats.senate.gov/gop-medicaid-cuts/

  108. Here is an excerpt – but read the whole thing – nails it….

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/tax-cuts-for-the-rich-on-the-backs-of-the-middle-class-or-paul-ryan-has-balls-20110407

    “The absurd thing is that Ryan’s act isn’t even politically courageous. It’s canny calculation, but courage it is not. It would be courageous if Ryan were, say, the president of the United States, and leaning on that budget with his full might. But Ryan is proposing a budget he knows would have no chance of passing in the Senate. He is simply playing out a part, a non-candidate for the presidency pushing a rhetorical flank for an out-of-power party leading into a presidential campaign year. If the budget is a hit with the public, the 2012 Republican candidate can run on it. If it isn’t, the Republican candidate can triangulate Ryan’s ass back into the obscurity from whence it came, and be done with him.

    No matter what, Ryan’s gambit, ultimately, is all about trying to get middle-class voters to swallow paying for tax cuts for rich people. It takes chutzpah to try such a thing, but having a lot of balls is not the same as having courage.

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    Deficit reduction is the shiny object that gets their white voters excited. Your right they think of welfare queens and Mexicans gaming the system. While they sell that dream the Republicans get these same stupid white people to support corporate welfare and tax cuts for the rich which they never see.

    It’s simply amazing that you can fool the same people all of the time.

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    Nick Johns
    3 hours, 27 minutes ago
    “they all look like overgrown kids who got nipple-twisted in the halls in high school, worked as Applebee’s shift managers in college, and are now taking revenge on the world ”

    How many times have I had the exact same impression when squinting in the media microscope at this political pondscum, rightwingus oozus distustingus? Resentment, Republican is thy name.

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    Shannon Yvonne Moreau
    9 hours, 41 minutes ago
    Thank you, Matt, for making me laugh while reading about a topic that I find so infuriating.

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    Scott Riedel
    13 hours, 49 minutes ago
    Matt, the really puzzling thing to me about this how Ryan can propose it without it committing political suicide. The largest cities in the district he represents are Janesville, Racine and Kenosha, among Wisconsin’s most depressing rust belt hellholes! Janesville, in particular, is a one industry town that just lost its one industry: GM. It’s well on its way to becoming the Flint, MI of Wisconsin! Hopefully, Wisconsinites’ reemerging class consciousness will spell his doom. Janesville used to be famous for being the home of Wisconsin’s KKK. I guess therein lies an explanation of sorts but how his constituents could confuse their interests with those of the uber-rich is a real head scratcher!

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    null
    14 hours, 10 minutes ago
    The phrase “from whence” is a redundancy (see the last sentence of the second to last paragraph). Whence means “from which,” or “from where,” making “from whence” mean “from from where.”
    Love,
    Grammar Police

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    Theo Potter
    14 hours, 18 minutes ago
    Conservatives always say the government should be run like a business; fine – then start obsessing over how to generate revenue and invest for the future instead of being so cheap that you put out a product that no one would buy. Morons.

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    Brooke Bucknam
    15 hours, 16 minutes ago
    Not only would senior citizens be negatively affected by this budget proposal, but also the 20% of US citizens, both young and old, who have mental and/or physical disabilities that impair many aspects of their lives, including their ability to work and gain income needed for necessary health care. Essentially, Ryan’s proposal would further disable the disabled, in order to richen the rich. This guy is worse than the Sheriff of Nottingham.

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    Tim Bevins
    15 hours, 37 minutes ago
    I just love the first paragraph! The rest of it is the truth as usual, and makes me want to throw up in my mouth.

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    Julie Arney
    15 hours, 41 minutes ago
    Matt, I recently discovered your blog and new coverage and am now a fan. Keep up the good reporting!
    The US (and Japan) has THE HIGHEST tax rates for corporate chartered businesses. I wonder about the benefits of reducing that rate to encourage bringing jobs back here. At the same time, the wealthiest of citizens could have their tax rates raised and access to tax havens and tax loopholes curtailed. Lobbying orgs/lobbying associations should NOT be given non profit tax status either.
    Caps and firm limits should be applied to all defense bids and contracts. No later additions or requests for more money. As a DoD contractor, you either perform within the initial parameters and your bid, or lose your contract and future ones for a specified amount of time. This cartel of defense contractors are making a bundle of the US citizens tax money. I’ve worked in many, many industries, including high tech software and hardware and there are plenty of ways to curb costs in all of them.
    Telecommuting as a employment method needs to be embraced by the business community on a greater scale. Not only does this allow for obtaining the right talent without the relocation and upheaval costs, it reduces our environmental impact. Especially with the lower use of jet fuel for travelling workers. Jet fuel being the primary use of oil, with autos as secondary.
    Even in our early history, when New Amsterdam (now New York) was in dire financial straights, the first thing the burghermeisters did, was raise the tax on the rich.

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    Mike Cohen
    15 hours, 56 minutes ago
    Matt,
    When is your review of Brook’s new book coming out? I can’t wait!

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    Alex Fyfe
    16 hours, 34 minutes ago
    Well put, I’m still confused as to why this country is no longer allowed to raise revenue to pay for itself. Ryan’s plan also once again ignores that health care is ultimately a shared cost. You can’t simply give seniors a voucher for private insurance, for which they’ll receive less care, and assume that the problem has solved itself. Either these seniors will suffer with inadequate care, burn through their retirement savings prematurely, or burden their families with the cost of their health care.

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    Lois Gagnon
    16 hours, 56 minutes ago
    Why is it every time I try to post a link here Rolling Stone says there are inappropriate words even when there aren’t? This is getting to be very annoying!

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    Tim Bevins
    15 hours, 34 minutes ago
    I don’t think it’s possible to set your own computer to censor you. I don’t have any such “setting” and the word “d*mn” was considered inappropriate.
    Tim Bevins
    15 hours, 36 minutes ago
    I agree. Last time I post here. Lameness itself…
    Patti Haynes
    15 hours, 56 minutes ago
    Hi, Lois Gagnon, I think you may have your computer programmed for offensive language. I never have any problem posting anything from Rolling Stone, or any other link even if it does contain bad language. Maybe you should check for that. Worth a try anyway.
    Dennis Skey
    17 hours, 7 minutes ago
    youtube.com/watch?v=keFyxfsZ40U&feature=related

    Ok…I think this video captures the real personalities of our forefathers. Imagine having to put up with Jefferson on TV. Would your rather him or Ryan.

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    Frederic Conokeane
    17 hours, 9 minutes ago
    Maybe I missed something, but it was my understanding the current old people would still get the Medicare benefits real courage was if everyone eligible for Medicare today loses too…even then I am sure his supporters would go along with the plan and call it “courageous.” But isn’t one of the things the old people don’t like about “Obamacare” is that it cuts Medicare spending which is “suppose” to be efficiency cuts not benefit cuts, but still being called benefit cuts by those opposed to it…..probably even Ryan.

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    Mark Koenig
    17 hours, 18 minutes ago
    @Jeff Carroll…I think you need a few more 0’s…it was 4 trillion…

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    Lois Gagnon
    17 hours, 50 minutes ago
    More Kabuki Theater for the masses. Until the masses stop believing what they’re fed, it will continue until the whole facade comes a tumblin’ down.

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    Jeff Carroll
    18 hours, 21 minutes ago
    Thank you, Matt. I hope Democrats learn to keep this argument simple.

    Ryan’s “Reform” cuts $4 million from Medicare and Medicaid then gives that same $4 million as a tax break to the richest Americans.

    Ryan isn’t courageous. He’s criminal.”

  109. Bottom line: don’t be stupid and look for trouble, but there is nothing wrong with being prepared for trouble if it comes looking for you.

    While I question the average citizen’s ability to be “prepared” by carrying a fire arm, I can definitely sign up for your general philosophy.

    I assume Rabbit fired a fire arm while in the service (at least in training) so I suppose he won’t shoot himself in the foot.

    Still I’d stress the importance of the first part of your statement: “don’t … look for trouble.”

  110. Hey Tex …. wouldn’t it be a real bitch if you once you die you have to “fill out a form first, and then wait in the line” to get into heaven? Heaven … like the DMV. 🙂

  111. For some reason, Dog pulled some comments in with his excerpt … my fav comment, the one I noticed myself while reading the excerpt:

    The phrase “from whence” is a redundancy (see the last sentence of the second to last paragraph). Whence means “from which,” or “from where,” making “from whence” mean “from from where.”

  112. G, sorry to let you in on this but when you dis Rolling Stone you come off like an octogenarian. RS has some of the best political stuff going and Matt Taibbi is a helluva writer, cutting through the crap and laying things out flat for all to see.

    When it comes to the financial crisis, they’ve been quite critical of Obama and his admin, so while they lean liberal, they’re capable of objectivity.

    Needless to say, they also write the most compelling stuff around about “the Rock and Roll” (as David Letterman would say).

  113. A government shutdown is actually rather benign.

    This from Alfie on his blog.

    Alfie, since you didn’t allow comments on that post, would you mind elaborating on this comment here? How is a shutdown benign? From a selfish perspective, I won’t get my tax refund on time. That’s light stuff compared to other inconveniences that will be suffered.

    Your comment confuses me.

  114. Yeah sry about posting the commments – error.
    And yes RS is a legit source. Faux the GOP-teabugger propaganda channel is not. Nor is Krautenfacist.

  115. No, they’re incredibly biased and mostly uninformed.

    The hit piece they did on McChrystal is a great example. Intentionally unflattering, out of context, and one sided. You really think they’re going to objectively look at this, when they haven’t been objective in anything else? Need I remind you of 2008?

    I’ll bet dollars to donuts they haven’t read Ryan’s proposal nor have they put any pressure on Dems about the lack of their proposal. And isn’t that the gist of this? We’ve got an Administration calling for grown up action, but neither he, nor his party, has produced an alternative to ANYTHING the GOP has put forward. The Dems have been counting on a shutdown since early 2010. This is politics for them, and be damned anyone hurt in their political machinations. You think they care about federal workers? Hardly. Case in point, welfare payments will continue while military pay will not- while we have three conflicts now going on.

    Your party, not mine…

  116. Good grief – shall I pull pro-Nazi Rockefeller links?

    That interview in no way represents PP – get over it.
    The ironic part is:
    1) PP gets very little public money – it works from donations and client fees.
    2) About 4% of it’s funds goes to abortions – the rest to family planning and prenatal and postnatal care.
    3) If PP programs were actually slowed down the result would be MORE abortions because of lack of access to affordable birth control – and perhaps more deaths because many of those would be of the back room coat hanger variety.
    4) Many regressives claim to be libertarian until they want to mess with others private lives – that is facist not libertarian.
    5) Meanwhile this bull is all a red herring to keep the rabble distracted while the rich get more tax cuts – what fools.

  117. FAUX a propaganda channel masquerading as news.

    The McChrystal piece was spot on. Too bad they did not nail general betrayus as well.

  118. G, sorry dude but I’m with Dog on the McChyrstal piece. At the very least, he allowed the reporter too much access to him and his cronies and they engaged in some really careless smack talk. As angry as you might be at RS for this, as a military man would you not have wanted to string Stan up by his balls for being so lax with the press?

  119. Yes RS is primarily a music magazine but as any rock fan knows, rock is the music of protest.

    By the way, RS several years ago was the home of PJ O’Roarke, hardly a liberal.

  120. It was foolish to all RS anywhere near them because they have repeatedly taken information out of context and reported biasedly. Take the Obama Kill Team stuff. RS is way, way off base, insinuating that this was a Brigade level of misconduct when it was a handful of guys who were already being prosecuted by the Army. Furthermore, the video they pushed of the motorcycle incident is completely out of context, to the point of fraud. They were fighting Taliban at the time and the elemnts were Taliban fighters, but it was presenting so that the perception would be innocent civilians.

    That is frankly intellectual fraud, which is why I’m not surprised Bitch is getting his fill of peanut butter…

  121. 1) PP gets very little public money – it works from donations and client fees.

    Then why the stink about federal dollars? We’re trillions in debt- drop the fucking ideological support.

    2) About 4% of it’s funds goes to abortions – the rest to family planning and prenatal and postnatal care.

    No one believes this, especially since folks who’ve worked for PP have said otherwise…

    3) If PP programs were actually slowed down the result would be MORE abortions because of lack of access to affordable birth control – and perhaps more deaths because many of those would be of the back room coat hanger variety.

    You said yourself they don’t need the money, so it’s a mute point, right?

    4) Many regressives claim to be libertarian until they want to mess with others private lives – that is facist not libertarian.

    Facists are liberals, so go fuck yourself in the mirror…

    5) Meanwhile this bull is all a red herring to keep the rabble distracted while the rich get more tax cuts – what fools.

    First off, everyone gets a tax cut. Secondly, if they close loopholes, then the rich actually pay more because they are the ones who can take advantage of the loopholes. You sound just like the assholes from the 1996 wellfare reform days. Oh no, a million children will be thrown under the poor bus, except that 2.5 million children were actually brought out of poverty because of the reforms.

    Once again, you demonstrate your asshatness…

  122. PP gets no federal dollars for abortion now. Just like with HCR they have other motives than what they say.
    Yes why the big issue indeed?
    Red herrings red herrings – yummm smells good huh rabble?

  123. Anyone on Medicare gets so much tax cut that in 10 years every penny of thier SS will go to medical care and they will go bankrupt….

  124. “….while the rich get more tax cuts ”

    Which Obama also gave them and had Bill Clinton tell us all why they needed to be given and how beneficial they would be to our economy.

    Are they liars, too?

  125. Speaking of weapons, since they appear to be a requirement in our civilized societies. Interesting developments in Libya and a glimpse beyond the political curtains…

    “The Libyan opposition, amid its failure to topple Col. Moammar Gadhafi, has accused Israel of supplying weapons to the Tripoli regime.”

    Aside from the obvious conflict of interest this eludes to, it seems weapons’ dealing is rather lucrative. Maybe even better than silver… Especially with a ready market. Where there’s a market, there’s potential gain. Who is gaining from all these wars? Name that beast…

  126. “Quick – over there – ignore my LIES”

    “Then why the stink about federal dollars? We’re trillions in debt- drop the fucking ideological support.”

    Why the stink about 60 some GOP riders that have nothing to do with the budget?
    ANSWER: They are all part of the GOP regressive social agenda…

  127. Nope, it’s notabout money. It’s about Republicans not budging on these ideological demands, which include cutting programs for low-income and middle-class people:

    Abortion: Republicans will not allow federal financing for Planned Parenthood, local financing for abortion services in the District of Columbia, or any foreign aid to countries that might use the money for abortion.

    Family Planning: Republicans want to strip foreign aid to countries that might use money for family planning, and refuse aid to the United Nations Population Fund, which supports family-planning services.

    Greenhouse Gases: No regulation of greenhouse gases by the Environmental Protection Agency.

    Health Care Reform: No funds for health care reform.

    Consumer Protection Bureau: No funds for the new consumer protection bureau, which was established post-financial collapse.

    And according to The New York Times, the damage caused by Republicans has an even greater potential to wreak national havoc by:

    … furloughing 800,000 federal workers, suspending paychecks for soldiers and punishing millions of Americans who will have to wait for tax refunds, Social Security applications, small-business loans, and even most city services in Washington.

  128. Obama shut the government down so that the tax funded slaughter of babies can continue. End of story.

    That’s gotta be the most intellectually dishonest thing I’ve read in quite some time.

    Budget time is NOT the time to fight non-fiduciary ideological battles. The GOP spurred on by the supposedly no-social-agenda Tea Party is picking this fight. You don’t want to fund PP? Fine, fight that battle when the clock is not ticking on a shut down. And so long as there is no consensus on what purpose PP actually has, we can’t come down on one side or the other in crunch time.

    We give PP the benefit of the doubt (that they are primarily pre and post-natal care and birth control … with abortion funds coming NOT from the government funding and we move the f*ck on.

    How bout this for a counter argument Rabbit: The GOP shut the government down because they can’t live with Roe v. Wade. End of story.

  129. Rutherford, look at the numbers. We don’t have the money for PP.

    Its almost insulting to think women need some kind of gender specific government funded entity.

    I don’t even get the purpose of PP if it..cough..has little to do with killing black and brown babies in the womb.

    Yeast infections? Breast cancer screening? Aren’t there other options to take care of that if you are broke?

  130. Its impossible to have a debate on cutting government spending without social issues coming up.

    Everybody has a pet project they love.

    One of mine is teacher pay, what a coincidence. But, I say slash my own salary. Slash everything. Feel pain. Its our only hope.

    So, while Poolman may feel that PP fills such an important void in his family, I’m betting we can do without it. Fucking slash NPR too!

    Dude, if we don’t kill Nanny, our children will be debt slaves.

  131. If Planned Murderhood and helping the EPA to usurp power that was never it’s perview to begin with was so important to the Dhims, they could have avoided the discussion and the Chicken Little claims that come with a shutdown by actually doing their jobs and passing the damn budget last year.

    Instead, the great health care takeover and other entitlement spending were the priorities for Congress last year. Maybe if Granny Rictus spent less time empowering government and serving shit sandwiches to the American Public (when she wasn’t flying family and friends everywhere and swilling top shelf liquor in obscene qualities on the taxpayer’s nickel), and made them pass a budget, then this entire conversation…including the ridiculous notion that not funding abortions per the Hyde Amendment or giving more money to an overreaching federal agency are budgetary hills to die on, would be unneccessary.

    No amount of spin, or repetition of talking points gets you past that, and if you think that this hurts the GOP, I have a bridge to sell you. This ain’t 1995, and the Dhims seriously miscalculated when they decided that it was ok to do this.

  132. @ Rutherford 158
    Alfie, since you didn’t allow comments on that post, would you mind elaborating on this comment here?
    No I don’t mind and please note the comments have been closed secondary to housekeeping
    How is a shutdown benign? From a selfish perspective, I won’t get my tax refund on time.
    <First off you shouldn't have delayed filing and you should have done it electronically,you being Mr. Tech Savy. Seriously though the refunds will be delayed. Audits? Well those will likely be even further delayed. That's a bad thing?
    All in all Yellowstone and the Smithsonian being closed is very benign. Mail will flow, the borders manned, food inspected and medicare will be processed as will SS. All in all what govt should actually do will get done.
    That’s light stuff compared to other inconveniences that will be suffered.
    Seriously Rutherford if we don’t draw a line in the sand about operating without a budget,regard of our laws and revenue=outlay the reaming we receive collectively as a nation will be described far and above an inconvenience.

    Your comment confuses me.
    Hope that helps a little. Posts are forthcoming

  133. Alfie, thanks … although I don’t think filing on April 1 constitutes “delay”. Admittedly I usually file in early March and time got away from us this year but if I file on time, I consider myself on the right side of the argument.

    And …. you really should have known better than to go there … I DID file electronically and always do. Were you implying that direct deposit refunds will not be impacted by a shut down?

  134. R it was a friendly dig. If it means anything the fully staffed IRS went long on me.
    Embrace a shutdown Rutherford. It’ll show us all how much we don’t need them all,and isn’t that really the issue?

  135. Instead of starting a Heavy Metal band, Rabbit is going to start a Precious Metal band. 🙂

    Speaking of music … I dodged a bullet last night. For those who bother to read my more trivial comments you know that I forgot to vote for American Idol Wednesday night and faced execution from my daughter Thursday, especially if her favorite got voted off. Well her favorite survived and in incredible 8:1 odds the one that got eliminated was the only one we were NOT going to vote for Wednesday night. So not only did I avoid a verbal ass whupping from my daughter, I also avoided my wife’s wrath.

    Goddam! 8:1 odds! Now if I could only have that kind of luck in the revenue department. 😦

  136. Typical KKKristian facists. Perfectly happy to meddle in folks most personal affairs. But utterly unwilingl to help after that. Prenatal care? Post natal care? Early education? Food programs? Schools levies? Pell grants? Medical care of the poor or elderly?
    Certainly NOT!

    theen there is the MCPigdom>>>”Its almost insulting to think women need some kind of gender specific government funded entity. ”

    and utter ignorance >>>”I don’t even get the purpose of PP if it..cough..has little to do with killing black and brown babies in the womb”

    Drop into PP sometime and find out what PP really does instead of what some priest tells you.

  137. I’m going nuts not having options privileges at Scottrade.

    Just not the same anymore. But, its all for good.

  138. Dawg,

    Spend your outrage on Sna Fran Nan…when she was in charge, the Dhims had the numbers to pass their orgiastic wishlist of entitlement spending, but couldn’t be bothered to do her job and make her fellow travellers do theirs.

    You wanna piss and whine about the choices being made now, but the fact is there was no need to leave it up to ths Congress.

    Your tears of rage are sweet, sweet gumdrops to me. Yum!

  139. The best health care bill in generations was passed and signed into law….

    Rage? no – those riders will never get past the Senate let along Obama. Just the rethugs wasting time. Meanwhile they are exposing themselves for the thugs they are. 2012 is looking better and better. Keep it up bozos.

  140. “The best health care bill in generations biggest power grab in the nations’ history was passed and signed into law….”

    And yet they couldn’t even do their job. I guess the taxpayer subsidized parties on Air Nancy were just too much fun and far more engaging than the difficult job of governing.

    And now, as of March of this year we find ourselves in this position (or perhaps assuming the position, thanks to the Dhims and their tragic unwillingness to do their jobs):

    Thus far in March, as itemized in the Daily Treasury Statement released today, the federal government has spent $927.3 billion while taking in $184.2 billion in revenue.

    But of course, to the Dhims, this is merely a revenue problem, and the answer isn’t to quit borrowing money to buy votes to provide services that the federal government has no business providing in the first place (minus a miodest fee for handling, of course). No, instead their answer is raise taxes. Because it does wonders for the economy to take yet even more money out of it, and transfer it into hands that add value and innovation to nothing.

    And now, because their job wasn’t on their agenda last year, they want to stamp their foot and whine when told no, and then blame on the people who are going to be serious about getting the government out of the business it doesn’t belong in in the first place.

    Ok.
    If that actually works for you, then this country deserves the coming gubmint insolvency.

  141. Just proving what I said. The regressives could care less about other people – they just want to control them.

  142. Just proving what I said. The regressives could care less about other people – they just want to control them.

    It proves nothing of the sort.

    We want people to control themselves without the rest of us having to pay for it, dope.

    You want to have an abortion? YOU pay for it. At least or until the someone realizes that the dishonest and arbitrary distinctions that preclude the application of the 14th Amendment to unborn children are just that : dishonest and arbitrary.

    And what was San Fran Nan’s Congress doing instead of their jobs? Let’s see:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZw1bLbmD2U

    Nice to know that the Dhims’ priorities were straight.

  143. “We want people to control themselves without the rest of us having to pay for it, dope.

    You want to have an abortion? YOU pay for it. At least or until the someone realizes that the dishonest and arbitrary distinctions that preclude the application of the 14th Amendment to unborn children are just that : dishonest and arbitrary”

    Yup selfish facists just like I said….

  144. Yellowdog,

    If you ever see me in a PP, its because I’m talking someone out of killing her baby, to the point of adopting.

    But, since you like to “drop” in there, pick an inner city one and spread the word for me. Tell some of those people to stop fucking like crazy.

    Do you know how much they fuck in the Ghetto?

    Too much!

  145. Meanwhile back in the real world the regressives are in retreat and the GOP is throwing the the social regressives aka bible thumpers under the bus just like they alway do.
    Even most rethugs don’t live in the rural south whre that stuff plays.

  146. You know….it’s kind of ironic to begin an internet message with “Meanwhile back in the real world”.

  147. Meanwhile back in the year One — when you belonged to no-one —
    you didn’t stand a chance son, if your pants were undone.
    `Cause you were bred for humanity and sold to society —
    one day you’ll wake up in the Present Day —
    a million generations removed from expectations
    of being who you really want to be.

    Skating away —
    skating away —
    skating away on the thin ice of the New Day.

    So as you push off from the shore,
    won’t you turn your head once more — and make your peace with everyone?
    For those who choose to stay,
    will live just one more day —
    to do the things they should have done.
    And as you cross the wilderness, spinning in your emptiness:
    you feel you have to pray.
    Looking for a sign
    that the Universal Mind (!) has written you into the Passion Play.

    Skating away on the thin ice of the New Day.

    And as you cross the circle line, the ice-wall creaks behind —
    you’re a rabbit on the run.
    And the silver splinters fly in the corner of your eye —
    shining in the setting sun.
    Well, do you ever get the feeling that the story’s
    too damn real and in the present tense?
    Or that everybody’s on the stage, and it seems like
    you’re the only person sitting in the audience?

  148. Military madness…

    …a struggle between moderates and militarists for control of the Republican Party. This culminated in the demise of Nixon and the gradual redirection of United States foreign policy in the Ford presidency from peaceful coexistence with the Soviet Union towards plans for the weakening and destruction under Ronald Reagan of what Reagan called “the evil empire.” Thus in October 1975, the highly probable involvement of Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld in the palace revolution known by historians as “The Halloween Massacre” meant the defeat of Nelson Rockefeller’s moderate Republicanism, and its gradual replacement by the hard-edged anti-communism of Ronald Reagan. Essentially, it meant the reorganization of Ford’s team toward the demise of détente, along with America’s huge defense budgets in the 1980’s and again today.

    Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, then heading the White House staff of President Gerald Ford and controlling the Department of Defense, played a key part in securing the ultimate triumph of the Prussians, by demoting Henry Kissinger and appointing George H.W. Bush as head of the CIA, where he arranged for a new, more alarmist estimate of the Soviet threat (which explains the correlated skyrocketing of defense budgets, and the demise of détente). Since then, we have observed an increasing influence of what Dwight D. Eisenhower called the military-industrial complex (in his farewell address of January 17th, 1961) on the United States’ political economy.

    Today we have a new extended state of emergency, and Congressional oversight has become almost defunct. For example, legally mandated congressional oversight of the CIA’s covert operations has been successfully evaded by the creation in 1981 of the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) in the Pentagon, which simply incorporates CIA personnel into its operations. JSOC, now known as the Special Operations Command, has become the locus of covert Pentagon operations, of the sort conducted under General Stanley McChrystal, before he was appointed the US commander in Afghanistan.

  149. “I hope you are – you have it coming…”

    He meant America. And yeah, we know that you hope America is fucked. You’ve made that painfully obvious with the policies you defend.

    “….while the rich get more tax cuts ”

    Dog, Clinton and Obama defended that policy. Were they lying?

    “The regressives could care less about other people – they just want to control them.”

    You mean like forcing people to purchase a product or service?

    Oh wait. Silly me. Its democrats who have done that.

    Nevermind….

  150. I’m going nuts not having options privileges at Scottrade.

    LOL … shorting stocks and options, two of the highest risk trading strategies around … do you just love to live dangerously?

    I never shorted based on principle alone. I never did options cos they were too damn complicated for me to take the risk.

  151. Yup, BiW I see your theory here and on your blog. The FACT is we have a spending problem and a revenue problem. We live in a country where GE pays zero taxes and lots of other rich dudes get tax breaks they don’t need. That’s a revenue problem.

    We also have a spending problem. Let’s solve both.

  152. Do you know how much they fuck in the Ghetto?

    You can’t be serious? Over f*cking goes on everywhere. What you should have asked was how much birth control is being used in the ghetto? There you might have a point. And of course eliminating free clinics that dispense birth control is THE answer to that problem. 😐

  153. Dog the other thing not to lose sight of, which I just learned tonight from my favorite DC MILF Barbara Boxer is that all of Title X was under attack, not just Planned Parenthood. Not a smart way for the GOP to curry favor with women.

  154. BREAKING NEWS: SHUTDOWN AVERTED!!!

    A CR will be passed to get through the next few days after which early next week a budget will come up for vote. 39 billion in cuts and Title X programs OFF the table.

    Boehner just lost any Tea Party support he might have hoped to keep IMHO. We’ll see how it goes down.

  155. I love Tull. I’ll spare you the lyrics since I know Poolman was trying to make a point, but I do have to share my fav Tull song (Aqualung comes a close second).

  156. Sorry to break it to you, but they fuck more in the ghetto.

    And black men are way, way more likely to be unfaithful.

  157. Lol…sure I am. Most blacks, particularly black women, admit it.

    Black dudes are way more likely to be ok with cheating. Then again, good luck with even getting a black dude to marry his baby’s momma.

    Your PC world aint reality and I think its funny that you refuse to admit it.

  158. What R, do you think the destruction of the institute of marriage in the black community doesn’t cause a situation where, on average, men have more sex partners?

    70 percent of black children born out of wedlock.

    40 years ago it was 25.

  159. Anf the abortion issues gets thrown under the bus. No suprise – nothing to do with the budget.

    The ironic part is that regressives and thier off spring need PP the most. Want rto talk about stats? Look at thte out of wedlock rate of WHITES in red states. No information or bad information does not work. Dumbdication ===> babies.

  160. Huck #209
    “I hope you are – you have it coming…”
    This from the Left where there are no haters. lol Dog is a special type of shit wishing ill upon a guy who has chronicled some real hardships here on this board now doggie wishes him dead.

    Rutherford 211-14
    You are very naive.Either that or an example of how even someone capable,nah eager to think things through and talk them out is all ready well within the grasps of the addiction of the federal governments pogrom and unaware of it.

  161. It’s funny really. Alfie is a typical regressive who cannot stand real discussion. Have I yet seen a real right wing blog? Don’t think so. They are all control facists. If a blog starts out as interactive – it soon isn’t. Try going off message on any of them and see what happens.

  162. How is this going down?
    CNN straw poll this am – who do you trust more with the budget?
    Dems by 2:1.

    That whole PP thing was nothing about the budget – PP saves the government money. With out them you would have undiagnosed cancer and STDs. Unwanted babies – all either neglected – or on your dime some other way.

  163. “the other thing not to lose sight of, which I just learned tonight from my favorite DC MILF Barbara Boxer is that all of Title X was under attack, not just Planned Parenthood. Not a smart way for the GOP to curry favor with women”

    Typical teabugger attitude – you know old white male redneck. Since they are guys they don’t think they should pay for any of that.

  164. “Alfie is a typical regressive who cannot stand real discussion.”
    I think people who’s opinions matter far more than yours would disagree. In fact I have posted a number of items that people on the Right specifically have taken exception to and entered in2 genuine dialog.
    I also remember folks like Eric B,Steph,Hippie Prof and even Graychin as well as Elric offering real opinion and entering in2 real discussions that I enjoyed greatly. Obviously I’ve been blessed with real discussion with the likes of Tex,Huck,BIC and many others more.Even you offered a couple of better engagements early but that was fleeting to be kind.

    Have I yet seen a real right wing blog? Don’t think so. They are all control facists. If a blog starts out as interactive – it soon isn’t.
    Try going off message on any of them and see what happens.

    The inanity and intellectual anemia of that statement is mind boggling.So Olbies,Kos or TP must never have been chartered as interactive I guess. As for control freaks the Lefts Nudge operations make bloggers look like ants.
    I have seen few people right or left that take the time to share something who DO tolerate commenters overtaking the message and soiling the place. Not to be pompous but an author of something is primary to the reviewers,commenters etc. There is a thin line there but a line just the same.
    That is something Rutherford allows,I tend not to. Sorry but 300 comments that don’t address what you sweated over is kind of sucky imo especially if the comments sole purpose is to take over the blog. Dog your comments on blogs fit that to a T. You have no desire to enter into a conversation. You are a flaming spammer. This is evident with your pathetic “dust mite” & “regressive” shit and how you universally fail to answer legit questions.
    For someone so obviously enamored with wallowing in muck you have an awfully high horse.

  165. PS
    “Sorry but 300 comments that don’t address what you sweated over is kind of sucky”
    Takes the drivel he copies from the RW echo chamber and claims as his own far too seriously.

  166. “BREAKING NEWS: SHUTDOWN AVERTED!!!”

    Yeah. That’s what happens when we have adults running things. The GOP got done this year what democrats couldn’t get done last year when they wouldn’t even have had to face negotiations. And we’ll do it again in a few months.

    “Takes the drivel he copies from the RW echo chamber and claims as his own far too seriously.”

    Did his caucus tell him to say that? We all know how the caucus controls wording.

    “They are all control facists.”

    Unlike your blog where comments are routinely edited or deleted outright?

    “Alfie is a typical regressive who cannot stand real discussion. ”

    And yellowdog is a typical liberal who flat out refuses to partake in a real discussion. All you have to do is ask him a question where the answer has the potential to paint the left in a bad light, and he will absolutely ignore it.

    What are your thoughts on our involvement in Libya, dog?

    What are your thoughts on Obama/Clinton defending the Bush tax cuts, dog?

    What do you think about the budget democrats passed last year, dog?

    The answers are always the same…..silence. But it’s Alfie you doesn’t like discussion….

  167. Well, R, I have seen your blogs go far afield from the original subject (mostly always lol) but this one may take the cake.
    But back to the original post. The second half of it got zero attention, no doubt because the first half involved the President. But I’ve been thinking about it. During the week, I don’t have the time or energy to comment, usually.
    I really wanted KSM and his ilk to be tried in the U.S. and in a criminal court, and it has nothing to do with the fairness or perceived lack thereof of a military tribunal. It’s that “military” implies these people are being treated as soldiers, which they are not. I hate the words “enemy combatant” for the same reason. It elevates them to a status they don’t deserve. They are cowards and mass murderers, and nothing would have pleased me more than to send this message: this is how we really think of you. You are contemptible. You are neither a warrior, nor holy.
    Republicans either don’t get that, or just cynically take any opportunity to embarass the President (my guess), regardless of how many times they have to shoot themselves in the foot.

  168. re: Yellowdog. If any of you believe that you are the bastions of reasonalbe discussion, then you are delusional. Whether here or on your own blogs. You (and you know who you are) are the masters of personal attacks and name-calling. How adult of you. Newsflash: this is not how real people who disagree argue in the real world.
    Not singling you out Huck (especially since you don’t support the conflation of politics and religion), but your recent comment is an example. You criticize Yellowdog for not answering questions. To me, that supports Yellowdog’s contention regarding control issues. You want to control the subject matter, and Yellowdog isn’t biting (to make a pun).
    I think Yellowdog is just fighting fire with fire here. Go ‘Dog.

  169. “I hate the words “enemy combatant” for the same reason. It elevates them to a status they don’t deserve… Republicans either don’t get that, or just cynically take any opportunity to embarass the President”

    And here’s what democrats don’t seem to get.

    ANYONE who sets foot in this country for ANY REASON is instantly awarded our constitutional rights.

    So when it comes to deserving, which do they deserve less—our rights that protect us (and would protect them) in court, or a label that takes those rights away?

  170. “Newsflash: this is not how real people who disagree argue in the real world.”

    I guess you haven’t turned on the TV in the last 10 years.

    “You criticize Yellowdog for not answering questions. To me, that supports Yellowdog’s contention regarding control issues. You want to control the subject matter, and Yellowdog isn’t biting (to make a pun).”

    How do you think discussions begin? They begin with an idea, usually in the form of a question. “What do you think about the Dodgers this year?” “What are you doing this weekend?” “What’s the weather like outside?”

    Yellowdog wants to shelter himself. He expects others to address his comments, but does not reciprocate. The questions I have asked above have been the topics of posts that were being discussed well before I asked them. Those questions were adding to the discussion, not attempts to prompt it. While you don’t go to those blogs to see that, Yellowdog knows better.

    “I think Yellowdog is just fighting fire with fire here. Go ‘Dog.”

    No. He’s hiding because he does not want to admit truth when the truth does not make those who share his ideologies look good. We’ve all called out people from “our side” around here. Rutherford, me, Tex, DR, Tigre, Alfie. Everyone but yellowdog. He’s the biggest “echo chamber” around these parts, to the extent that he cites articles that repeat the words “echo chamber” numerous times to support his claims that we are all echo chambers. His discourse is literally laughable. But if you enjoy it, knock yourself out.

  171. Excellent question, Huck, which I CHOOSE to answer 🙂 With some other questions. Are we Americans or are we Libyans? Do we take the Constitution seriously, in which all humans are afforded the rights we have? If not, then what kind of democracy are we spreading? Are we the shining city on a hill, or an emperior with no clothes? The Wizard of Oz? Does democracy and fairness only apply to U.S. Cctizens? Either we set a good example, or we set a bad one, and make ourselves out to be liars and hypocrites.

  172. Can someone tell me our objective in Libya? I still don’t get it. Is it being mediocre and limp? What a cluster fuck.

  173. Huck, next week I’m volunteering on the phones for the local public radio station (oh no, NPR!) pledge drive along with my favorite personal conservative person, who will no doubt rag me and I’ll do the same. But we know when to stop.
    That’s what I mean when I say the “real world”. Oh wait….I forgot I’m not supposed to have any friends. Other than my sister.
    I haven’t been here long enough, apparently, to see much “calling out”. I do know this, I haven’t seen any “calling out” of Tex, who has mercifully been absent lately. But there is a biig difference between called a regreesive and being called a cunt. Where were you then?

  174. “Shut down averted’ and once again the social regressives got punked. Follow you master Karl Rove now and throw yourself under the bus. We don’t need you until next election – in the mean time STFU.

  175. Yellowdog….entirely right. As R said, 2012 should be interesting. To paraphrase Mark Twain, the reports of the death of Obama are entirely premature.

  176. Uh, were KSM and the other stinkbeards properly Mirandized? Warrants? No? Do our troops now need criminal justice degrees? Mind explaining then, oh great defender of justice?

  177. “Uh, were KSM and the other stinkbeards properly Mirandized? Warrants? No? Do our troops now need criminal justice degrees? Mind explaining then, oh great defender of justice?”

    Every soldier gets a lesson in how to behave on a battle field including how to treat prisoners.

    The Bush plan was to torture them until they died – but that did not work out. Bushco got caught – and now dare not leave the country.

  178. “Every soldier gets a lesson in how to behave on a battle field including how to treat prisoners.”-fakename

    Lol…the disconnect.

    So our soldiers did something wrong in capturing Gitmo prisoners?
    ________

    Speaking of disconnect. It was fun watching the politicians play play hard ball over the 38 billion dollar cut.

    In one second, in one flash, the unelected Bernank can nullify the entire argument with just a .25 percent hike.

    Do you people realize how futile all of this is?

    Boom. Flash. Like one drop of grease on a frying pan.

    And, at one point he will have to. Won’t he? Can loosey goosey go on forever. No.

    We are totally fucked.

    The Fed can’t stop printing but they also HAVE to keep printing. The Feds can’t keep interest rates at zero but the HAVE to keep them at zero.

    Meanwhile, good Americans, with all the best intentions in the world, have a pointless debate.

  179. “So our soldiers did something wrong in capturing Gitmo prisoners?”
    YOU asked the question – I’m guessing not.

    But Bushco torture is violation of international law. They should be tried.

  180. I don’t get it. On the one hand you claim Gitmo prisoners were apprehended illegally. But you want them to be tried with American constitutional rights.

    Do you want them to walk, Copperhead?

  181. “On the one hand you claim Gitmo prisoners were apprehended illegally.”
    Never said that – I said – once again that the Bush torture was a war crime – and it was.
    But then regressives don’t think much of the readin and writin stuff.

  182. I don’t get it. On the one hand you claim Gitmo prisoners were apprehended illegally. But you want them to be tried with American constitutional rights.

    Do you want them to walk, Copperhead?

    *** Babble-Fish Teabugger-Speak Translator ***
    ………….[running]

    That torture stuff the North Koreans taught us worked so well we want to try out their kangaroo courts too.

    *** Babble-Fish Teabugger-Speak Translator ***
    ………..[end-of-job]

  183. Speaking of calling out people. The use of the term “stinkbeards” and saying that black men “f*ck” more than other people just slays me, Rabbit: I’m sympathetic to the downturn you’ve taken. I may not be far behind you. But I can guarantee you I won’t be blaming it on the Obama administration. Or terrorists. Get a grip on yourself.

  184. See FN? There was a discussion going on. Dog was taking part in it until DR asked a question that dog couldn’t answer truthfully without painting liberals in a bad light. So rather than answer it, he brushed it off. Even though he chose to answer every other question posed where the answer could paint the GOP in a bad light.

    “I haven’t seen any “calling out” of Tex”

    Then you’ve missed some very heated battles over issues such as religion and the United Nations. We all call each other out over money matters, education, religion, politics, everything. And we don’t pull any punches.

    “Never said that – I said – once again that the Bush torture was a war crime – and it was.”

    OK fine. It was a war crime. Now we have covered that portion of the discussion and can move on.

    The very first question that is going to be asked in a court of law is if the defendant was given his Miranda rights when he was taken in. The answer will be “no” and the response will be, “thank you and have a nice day, we’re done here.”

    Which now goes back to the question you won’t answer. It’s not framing anything. It’s not leading the discussion. It is a natural progression of the discussion.

  185. There is a well known high correation between teabuggers and racism and bigotry – so no – no big suprize.

  186. “Shut down averted’ and once again the social regressives got punked.”

    Yeah. They got punked by getting in a total of $38,000,000,000 worth of cuts when liberals originally wanted to make $00,000,000,000 worth of cuts.

  187. That torture stuff the North Koreans taught us worked so well we want to try out their kangaroo courts too.

  188. “The very first question that is going to be asked in a court of law is if the defendant was given his Miranda rights when he was taken in. The answer will be “no” and the response will be, “thank you and have a nice day, we’re done here.”

    It’s great that you know that – are you going to send dubby a thank-you note?

    My opinion – nor yours will matter to the judge.

  189. Dog couldn’t answer truthfullly? I think it’s that Dog does not choose to let you set the stage. I don’t see that as avoidance.
    As soon as you or someone else here chastises “Tex’ (speaking of fake names) for calling me a cunt, I will then take you seriously.

  190. No don’t bother taking Fing Huskster seriously – he’s not. Very shallow.

    Crowing about the great deal the regressives got – that’s not what RedState and many others are saying. They are livid.

    Thrown under the bus again..

  191. PS “Tex” – a failed premed from Oklahoma – he is offensive to everyone. He has left here for now but usually slithers back. Just totally ignore him. Don’t read is rants, don’t respond to them. He will keep on ranting – but who cares.
    He is clearly mentally degranged – he hates everyone including himself. I feel sorry for his family – if they have not all fled.

  192. Winning!!!

    While Republicans wanted to cut more spending in Saturday’s early morning compromise to keep the government open, they think they got the better of the deal.

    Here’s why: HR1 was originally to seek spending cuts of $32 billion until Tea Party conservatives insisted on more than $ 60 billion. House Speaker John Boehner won more cuts than he originally sought and got the Senate to agree to votes to defund the health care reform law and groups like the nation’s largest abortion provider Planned Parenthood – once votes Senate Majority leader Harry Reid said he’d never allow to come to the floor.Back on February 3, Reid called $32 billion in cuts “extreme” and “draconian.”

    At a news conference New York Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., agreed, “I happen to think some of their cuts are extreme and go overboard. But every week they keep upping the ante and proposing extreme cuts.”

    Over the next decade the cuts are expected to save hundreds of billions of dollars.

    The deal mandates a host of studies and audits of Obama administration policies. It also blocks additional funds for the IRS sought by the Obama administration and bans federal funding of abortion in Washington, D.C.

    The history of offers on this bill goes something like this. Democrats first offered no cuts, then $4 billion, then $6.5 billion, then $33 billion, then settled at $38.5 billion.

    Boehner made numerous adjustments to his offer in recent days too, but started at $32 billion, then with a Tea Party push went to $62 billion, then dropped to $40 billion, then $38.5 billion.

    Democrats claimed they met Republicans halfway after the $10 billion in cuts that already passed this year were approved. They settled late Friday night at three and a half times more.

    Boehner came in $8.5 billion higher than the halfway point between his high offer of $61 billion in cuts and the Democrats opening bid of zero cuts.

    It was not a totally lopsided bargain. Dems have some silver linings. There were no votes on defunding the EPA or PBS and NPR. Democrats fought for and won a $2 billion cut from the Department of Defense, knocking the military appropriation for the rest of the year down to $513 billion.

    But the GOP had to be able to see this as a win in the end, because it is puny compared to what they want to do next.

    House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan’s 2012 budget resolution proposes cuts of $5 TRILLION in the next 10 yrs.

    But the resolution is a non-binding roadmap for the committees to use as they approve tax and spending bills for next year, the resolution will never be signed into law by the president.

    The next battle with consequences begins in a matter of two short weeks when the accumulated U.S. debt will be nearing it’s $14 trillion legal limit. So Congress will have to vote to raise the ceiling so Uncle Sam can borrow still more money.

    The administration has said it will need to be raised between April 15 and May 31 or the U.S. could default and create a new fiscal crisis of unknowable magnitude. Fiscal hawks plan to demand strict, enforceable spending caps, triggers for across the board cuts, and austerity measures in exchange for raising the debt limit.

    This short-term agreement was just a beginning.

    Read more: http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/04/09/who-won-shutdown-showdown-it-wasnt-even-close#ixzz1J5JJWP5a

  193. G, I’m a bit confused. Does your excerpt imply that Planned Parenthood and other Title X programs were defunded? As far as I know that is not the case … in fact that is the main reason the compromise was reached was the GOP backed off the attack on PP.

  194. I’m also curious about this claim from Huck and the article quoted by G that the Dem’s started with zero cuts. That’s ridiculous. The whole point of arriving at 2011 budget was to include cuts. The Dem’s came up with far fewer cuts than the GOP but they did come up with cuts.

  195. PP will go before a separate vote, which ain’t peachy for you because Dems up in 2012 know that they’ll be bludgened with their vote. Win.

    Obamacare gets audited, multiple times by multiple entities. I don’t know about you, but I’m gleefully looking forward to the batch of lies and distortions in this atrocity… right before a Presidential election where your only claim to fame will be… Obamacare. Win.

    I can almost guarantee that caps and triggers will be in the next debt ceiling measure, which will only hurt you because when we hit those triggers and caps- and we will based on interest alone from your debt- Obama, and the Dems, will be hammered with it. Win.

    The Dems have yet to put forward any budgetary plan, serious or otherwise, which is only going to hurt you. You can lambast the Ryan plan, but at least it is a serious effort. You haven’t even mustard that thus far. So, if I was you, I’d save that bottle of champagne because this bill has set some very, very difficult conditions for you to overcome.

  196. I’m also curious about this claim from Huck and the article quoted by G that the Dem’s started with zero cuts. That’s ridiculous. The whole point of arriving at 2011 budget was to include cuts. The Dem’s came up with far fewer cuts than the GOP but they did come up with cuts.” – R

    Ahem, delusion is kicking in. THERE IS NO 2011 BUDGET.

    That’s the point, you failed to pass a budget, which is why we’re in this position. You failed to pass a budget because you were terrified of the carnage it would wreak in the November 2010 elections. What’s golden is that your political calculation of not passing a budget for 2011 may be the thing that slits your throat as it will lead to all the other things that just came from this compromise.

    And I’d welcome you to list what cuts the Dems were offering prior to the GOP. I seem to remember Harry Reid saying the $10 billion was even akin to Armageddon breaking loose…

  197. Rutherford, notice the difference….

    “I’m also curious about this claim from Huck and the article quoted by G that the Dem’s started with zero cuts”

    “The Dem’s came up with far fewer cuts than the GOP but they did come up with cuts.”

    G nailed it.

    If the dems were really interested in making any cuts, they’d have made them in their own budget.

    “As soon as you or someone else here chastises “Tex’ (speaking of fake names) for calling me a cunt, I will then take you seriously.”

    I see. So its all about you now? Talk about framing the discussion….

    It’s time to get over yourself, honey. We don’t play identity politics here.

  198. Well I guess the underline tag doesn’t work here but the difference in the above quotes is that the top one is talking about what dems started with and the other is talking about what they came up with. I figured I had better point that out since it didn’t seem obvious enough to some the first time around.

  199. The only people who are livid are a few tea partiers. And they don’t matter anyways..remember?

    You can’t talk about how insignificant a group is in 1 breath and then give weight to their outrage in the next. Reality doesn’t work that way.

    The fact of the matter is that the GOP managed to do what democrats couldn’t….fund the US government this year. Period. End of discussion. And they even managed to get in some cuts that would have never made a democrat budget.

    People want leaders. They are tired of this BS. I guess dog didn’t see those polls. And instead of leadership, the democratic party gives them empty seats. D.C. Wisconsin. Running away from problems seems to be what they do when they can’t get their way.

    Just like dog does…..

  200. The whole line of discussion is bogus – phoney crisis. The crisis is jobs and collected taxes not spending. What just passed will harm both.
    Raise taxes on the rich, collect corporate taxes, more stimulus. The regressive plan will drive the country back into deep recession.
    Go back and look at the Bushco years economic stats. Falling incomes, weak economy, recession. More of the same anyone? No actually anything remotely like the Ryan plan would make it much worse.

  201. Re: 243. Thanks for the publicity, but you attributed that quote to the wrong person. I didn’t say it.
    Re: 265. You don’t play identity politics? Oh yes, you do. In fact, it is me who doesn’t play identity politics. But when I get called names that are generally gender-specific and NO ONE has the decency to object…oddly, I take offense to that. I don’t ever do that kind of thing. Ever. I know the words, but if I ever get to that level, that’s the day I’ll know I’ve run out of words to express myself.
    Now then…as for killing vs. capturing terrorists. IMO, the ideal solution is to kill them on the battlefield. That’s fair. Because once you capture them, they must be afforded all the rights we have, no matter how repulsive that might feel. If we don’t, and create some Twilight Zone intermediate area (“enemy combatants”), where they can be detained indefinitely and tortured, then our whole idea of ourselves collapses. What message are we sending? Speaking of not answering questions. What sort of “democracy” is it we’re trying to “spread”? The kind where we do it only when it’s convenient? Tell me how that differs from any run-of-the-mill dictatorship.

  202. The Dog wants more stimulus. We don’t ever hear what Rutherford wants anymore.

    Rutherford more stimulus? More debt? Weaken the dollar more? More government spending?

    Dog for President! I will literally get rich shorting the dollar while he ruins the country.

    Some of you have called me a college campus quack with my doom and gloom audit the fed crap.

    All I can say is since June 10, I have put my money where my mouth is. Every investment is made following this simple rule: the country and the dollar is collapsing due to debt and a depraved monetary policy. For the first time in my life, I’ve been wildly successful.

  203. “If we don’t, and create some Twilight Zone intermediate area (“enemy combatants”), where they can be detained indefinitely and tortured, then our whole idea of ourselves collapses. What message are we sending? Speaking of not answering questions. What sort of “democracy” is it we’re trying to “spread”? The kind where we do it only when it’s convenient? Tell me how that differs from any run-of-the-mill dictatorship.”

    Darth Cheney WANTED a dictatorship – but it did not work out…. So did Nixon.

  204. I’m still not over Tora Bora, where we had our best chance to kill or capture Bin Laden, and blew it. If we had really pursued that opportunity, there would be no war in Afghanistan today. Which is an exercise in futility. I’m going to look for a reference to the Tora Bora fiasco. Hopefully, I’ll find one in Rolling Stone 🙂

  205. Fakename, bench warrants and miranda rights in the battle field? One phone call? Lawyer up? Holy shit you live in an alternate reality. You are a danger to our troops. Thank God even Obama thinks you are a fool and only about 9 percent of the country sees it your way.

    Hey Gorilla, how would you army boys like the fact that each captured Al Quada operative was allowed to make one phone call?

    Arraignment hearings. Public defenders.

    Rutherford, along with more stimulus compliments of Dog, shall we let fakename run the war?

    And Rutherford wonders why I identify with the right. Lol!

  206. Rabbit…are you deaf? How could you possibly have gotten the idea from what I wrote that I thought Mirandizing an enemy in battle was a good idea? That’s weird. I can see it now: You have the right to remain silent, and I really hope you will be silent and very still, because I’m about to shoot you dead. Thanks for your cooperation. You would have been better off with me running the war at Tora Bora, because OBL would be dead now.
    Yellowdog, I disagree with you only to this extent: Darth Cheney (good one!) was successful at creating a dictatorship. It’s just that it didn’t last past his tenure, thankfully. He and his Bush puppet are the best arguments I’ve ever seen for term limits.

  207. ” Because once you capture them, they must be afforded all the rights we have, no matter how repulsive that might feel.”-fakename

    Explain this, then.

  208. If you like facist living there are plenty of choices kazakhstan, Uganda, Israel – pick one…

    yes there are plenty of deaf ones here – put words in your mouth and attempt to frame.

    more like willful ignorance…. have to make everything fit thier narrow world view. regressives handle nuance poorly.

  209. Two things really amuse me: First, that conservatives look back fondly on the George W. Bush years. Those were the good old days, right? In fact, conservatives in those days didn’t like him very much at at all. He “compromised” too much and escalated the debt to epic proportions. But you heard barely a peep of criticism then, and even less now. But GWB was great at sound bytes. (“mission accomplished”). Now we have a President who is even better at sound bytes, but it’s full speed ahead with criticism of him. Okay, you go try to be President for 24 hours or so. Report back to me. Try to remember that part about having to govern the entire country, not just the part who voted for you.
    Second. The notion that “liberals”are all squeamish, unpatriotic wimps, willing to give away the country to anyone who asks for it in order to avoid poking their noses out the door and missing their dinners of organic tomatoes and arugula. Now I have to stop because I have cracked myself up.

  210. Yeah, Israel is fascist now. Sure.

    Wasn’t it you telling us how free and happy Vietnam is? Read the news in the last two weeks? Can’t even express yourself there without getting locked up.

    But that’s no big deal. They are yellow. And when white…I mean Yellowdog arrives in Nam they treat him like a prince. They let him indulge.

    What exactly on that menu do you like so much Dog?

  211. “The whole line of discussion is bogus – phoney crisis.”

    The discussion was about the budget. Or lack of one. That was not a “phoney crisis.” It was a real crisis caused by democrats who refused to do their job. Period.

    “You don’t play identity politics? Oh yes, you do.”

    Don’t stop there. Keep going with examples.

    If you want to make yourself into a victim over that, you are showing yourself to be a weak-minded and vain woman who cares deeply about what other people think of her. Like I said…get over yourself. If you aren’t strong enough to defend yourself against petty Internet name-calling, then I’m afraid I am going to have a hard(er) time taking you seriously, as well.

    “If we don’t, and create some Twilight Zone intermediate area (“enemy combatants”), where they can be detained indefinitely and tortured, then our whole idea of ourselves collapses”

    Obama puts people in Gitmo. Is he torturing them, too? Oh wait. That’s a question. and I know how some people want to avoid those. Let me rephrase….

    Obama puts people in Gitmo. And in CIA black sites, too. We are left to assume he is not torturing them. But it seems you may not be convinced. Or you’ve been so taken in by Bush bashing over the years that you forgot we’ve had a new president for the last 2.5.

    Wow. I guess it’s easier not to ask questions and just make assertions, instead. Rather than ask people here what they think, which is somehow seen as some form of evil trap, I’ll just state what they think and they can correct it or not.

    “Darth Cheney WANTED a dictatorship – but it did not work out…. So did Nixon.”

    Obviously Obama does, too. Since he has continued pretty much every single policy regarding the wars and the people we capture during them. Gitmo. Black sites. Rendition. Indefinite detention. They’re all there. And you refuse to acknowledge that. Where’s the outrage? Where’s the Obamadolph signs?

    Sorry. Those were questions, weren’t they?… (ooops that was too!)

    “I’m still not over Tora Bora, where we had our best chance to kill or capture Bin Laden, and blew it. If we had really pursued that opportunity, there would be no war in Afghanistan today.”

    So you’re a military strategist, now? Please. By all means, elaborate on this. I’d love to read your expert military opinion.

    “Rutherford, along with more stimulus compliments of Dog, shall we let fakename run the war? ”

    We may as well. It seems she has military strategy experience.

    “Yellowdog, I disagree with you only to this extent: Darth Cheney (good one!) was successful at creating a dictatorship. It’s just that it didn’t last past his tenure, ”

    Yeah. He set up a dictatorship. That’s why his term expired, just as it goes with all dictators.

    I can’t believe that you idiots believe this shit…..

    “Explain this, then.”

    Forget it, DR. That’s too much like a question.

    “How could you possibly have gotten the idea from what I wrote that I thought Mirandizing an enemy in battle was a good idea?”

    Its our right to be read those rights when we are held against our will. You have stated pretty clearly that you believe that EVERYONE should get ALL of our rights the moment we capture them. So its pretty easy to get the idea you think battlefield Mirandizing is a grand idea. I’d ask you to make yourself more clear if you disagree, but that’s a question……

  212. I’m just curious how you intend to give Al Queda POW’s all the rights we get in a court of law and during “arrest”. Simple question.

    If the Constitution applies to them then you really can’t half ass it.

    So I’m really wondering how you would make that work.

    I know it is “nuanced” so help a simple bloke out. Defend the shit you spew, for once.

  213. “Yeah. He set up a dictatorship. That’s why his term expired, just as it goes with all dictators.”-Hucking

    Lol. You stole my joke.

  214. But let me draw a picture for you. Picture a cartoon where one stick figure points a rifle at a second stick figure who also has a weapon. Frame 2: First stick figure shoots (smoke comes out of muzzle, “Bang!” is the caption). Frame 3: Second stick figure lies prone on the ground.
    Now picture a second cartoon. Stick figure #2 lays down his weapon and says “I give up”. Then, get this: you can’t shoot him. Or you could, assuming there are no witnesses and you’d feel okay about it later. Frame 2: Stick figure #1 puts handcuffs on Stick figure #2. Frame 3: Stick figure #2 is in court., with a public defender.
    At the point where terrorists are captured, it becomes less about them, and more about us.

  215. “Those were the good old days, right?”

    That’s a relative statement. And relative to today, the answer is yes.

    “Two things really amuse me: First, that conservatives look back fondly on the George W. Bush years. Those were the good old days, right? In fact, conservatives in those days didn’t like him very much at at all. He “compromised” too much and escalated the debt to epic proportions. But you heard barely a peep of criticism then, and even less now. But GWB was great at sound bytes. (“mission accomplished”). Now we have a President who is even better at sound bytes, but it’s full speed ahead with criticism of him. Okay, you go try to be President for 24 hours or so. Report back to me. Try to remember that part about having to govern the entire country, not just the part who voted for you.”

    This entire paragraph is hilarious.

    Bush sucked and his supporters still worshiped him (which is exactly like Obama and his supporters), they saw no fault in anything he did, except when he compromised (which is exactly like Obama and his supporters). Now we have a different president (who continues most of the Bush security and FP policies) and everyone is changing their opinions on things (which is exactly like the silent anti-war left who now welcomes neocon chickenhawks).

    So you spend all that time talking shit about Bush, then top it off reminding us that being president is difficult. You remind me of Obama. He talked shit for years, and now that its on him, look what we get….4 more years of Bush policies.

    “Re: 277. I think that statement is completely self-explanatory.”

    It’s as self-explanatory as the statement he made that you can’t understand. You want anyone we capture to have all of our rights. Being Mirandized is our right. Therefore, you believe anyone we capture should be Mirandized. Where exactly is your comprehension stumbling in that logic?

    Ack….that was a question….

  216. “Yeah. He set up a dictatorship. That’s why his term expired, just as it goes with all dictators.”-Hucking”

    Yeah – not through lack of trying… Our country generally is still able to deal with facists – not sure how many more though.

  217. You would have been better off with me running the war at Tora Bora, because OBL would be dead now.

    OBL died in December 2001, according to his obituary and most sources close to him.

    If we had really pursued that opportunity, there would be no war in Afghanistan today.

    Sure there would. Afghanistan was going to be invaded regardless. So was Iraq. OBL and 9/11 was just the excuse. This plan was in place at least 10 years before 2001.

  218. Let me draw a cartoon for you.

    Stick figure 1 gets apprehended on the battlefield by stickfigure 2. Meanwhile, back home stickfigure 3 is insisting that anyone apprehnded, on the battlefield or not, is entitled to all of the rights afforded to Americans.

    Stckifigure 1 gets wind of that position, and, as the cuffs are being slapped on, says to stickfigure 2, “I want my lawyer, just like stickfigure 3 says I have a right to.” Stickfigure 2 gives him a rifle butt to the gut and tells him to STFU.

    Later, stickfigure 4, who is the lawyer of stickfigure 1, asks in court if the “defendant” was given his Miranda rights as is the right of every American. Stickfigure 5, the prosecuter says “fuck no he wasn’t Mirandized. He was picked up on the battlefield!” Stickfigure 4 then says the entire event is then illegal, and his “client” should be immediately released. Stickfigure 5 agrees.

    Stickfigure 3 later reads how stickfigure 1 was released because he was not awarded the rights of all Americans, and she breathes a sigh of relief that all is well in the world. Meanwhile, Stickfigure 1 returns to the battlefield to kill mkore Americans.

    The End…..

  219. “Yeah – not through lack of trying”

    Oh, they tried to get rid of term limits and make Bush leader for life? I wasn’t aware of that. I’d ask for a source but I know better than to bother.

  220. Stick figure is in court of law and walks out a free man because an absolute lack of due process.

    The Constitution doesn’t work that way, silly. You can’t suspend it and summon it at will.

    What a dangerous precedent you would be starting, but your too inane to ever get that.

    Full constitutional rights given to our enemies on the battle field. Got to love liberals. You people are fucking nuts.

  221. Hey libs concerned about dictatorship. How about that Patriot Act, huh? Good stuff, aint it? I sure am glad Obama got rid of that shit, aren’t you? I sure am glad Obama can’t tap my phone or read my stuff any time he wants.

    Oh wait. He has not only kept the Patriot Act, he has made it more robust.

    Nevermind…..

  222. So I guess dictators send troops to war after they have addressed their legislatures, while honest leaders just go ahead and do it and then take their family on “working trips” to foreign countries.

  223. Yeah DR. The silence is deafening. All the shit Bush did is suddenly OK. The only 1 the left has is that Bush OKed enhanced interrogation. Which is why its the only thing dog wants to talk about. And since all of the secret prisons still remain, the only real proof that it isn’t still going on is that Obama says so.

    And that doesn’t even count rendition. We already know Obama is sending guys back to their own countries, where he knows they will do the torturing for him. And the left isn’t saying piss about it, opting instead to keep crying over the guy who hasn’t been in office for more than 2 years.

  224. All of that “dark side” stuff was about sunday picnics – move along now….
    The attitudes here do not bode well for the future…

  225. You’re right, dog. The hypocritical attitude of those who used to show outrage over things they now turn a blind eye toward is bad for our future.

    A neocon president that has never served and sends guys to war to spread American values.

    A president who has the power to look into people’s private lives any time he wants to say they are terrorists.

    A president who allows others to torture people for him and has secret prisons all over the world.

    And there isn’t 1 of those things that you will even acknowledge is going on. That is as good as saying you think it’s OK, which you obviously do. If you don’t, feel free to correct me.

  226. #283 ia liike a prescription for deliberate misunderstanding . You did get two things right, Huck…yes, I said, if you capture them, you have to abide by our rules. Also, I am somewhat vain. Unlike you, of course.
    Re: #298. Good advice, YD 🙂 But I don’t share your forebodings about the future. I remind myself and am comforted by the fact that most of the commenters here are the fringe of the fringe. They never rule.
    I am also amused by the turn this has taken when it concerns Bush v. Obama. It’s like being on the playground. “Yeah, but he did it too!” “He hit me first!” IRL, it’s hard to clean up a mess you were left with.

  227. And yet nobody will admit that the president is not calling the shots on what the military does or doesn’t do. Regardless of who is “in power” the neocon agenda is moving forward. It is much easier and convenient to point to Obama and call him a liar. That way you don’t need to really think any harder and you can continue to play in the political arena where they want you to be.

    Politics is reality like Hollywood is the real world.

  228. Poolman, I just can’t resist. What movie are we watching here? 1984? Invasion of the Body Snatchers? The Manchurian Candidate? Conspiracy Theory? The Matrix? Granted, I guess you don’t know you’re being led by the nose when you’re busy being led by the nose, but how is it that you alone have escaped that fate?

  229. Sorry gang, calling someone a c*nt does not suggest an aversion to identity politics nor does it suggest any redeemable political perspective. It’s offensive and bad manners.

    With that said, I don’t play Miss Manners on this blog and I let stuff fly with relative abandon. FN chooses not to conjecture on the size of the genitalia of the gentlemen here, but if she did, I’d give her carte blanche. It would have nothing to do with identity politics, simply a matter of letting her fight fire with fire.

    Defend your “right” to call someone a c*nt all you please but don’t dress it up as some high-minded debate tactic.

  230. #292. I believe you just made my point for me. You cannot suspend constituional rights and then restore them on a whim. And what is your problem with reading and understanding/? Either you didn’t read what I said, or you didn’t get what I said. Or, third alternative, you read it and got it but wanted to argue because it was me who said it.

  231. Re: 306. I’ve sort of been trying to say that, but you said it better. Especially the part about not dressing it up. You’ll never have to worry about carte blanche for me, although I must admit it’s tempting at times. I’m tempted to show that I can be as smart and cutting and sarcastic and disdainful and mean. Then I remember that that is not who I want to be.

  232. I’m gonna play devils advocate here a little and even flirt with discussing the point the posts author was concerned with.lol

    @ fake # 286
    At the point where terrorists are captured, it becomes less about them, and more about us.

    The word terrorist is the rub isn’t it [interrogatory punctuation] The battlefield scenario is not guided by Holder & Co.or Ashcroft or Gonzo or Reno or….you’re applying the wrong term
    Now as far as KSM arrested by Pakistani intelligence and transferred to US custody is there a difference [interrogatory punctuation]

  233. Then I remember that that is not who I want to be.

    Good for you,feel free to apply that to others too, for especially when the blog owner holds the position he does, insisting others wear an albatross around their necks is a little whacked.

  234. It is a violation of US and International law to abuse a captured prisoner – period. Likewise summary exection on the battlefield is illegal.

    Lots of moral parsing going on here. Leave that crap in church.

  235. Just how far do I have to go to spell this out for you Alf? If you capture them, they are then under the purview of Reno, Ashcroft,Holder, et al. So: DON’T CAPTURE THEM. What in the hell is your problem with that? And albatross? Do you even know what an albatross is? I get disgusted by blatant ignorance or feiigned blatant ignorance. And unecessary sarcasm (interrogatory punctuation).

  236. Dog STFU you have absolutely no standing regards truth,dialog or honest discussion. You are a juvenile hypocrite.
    Fake you used the word terrorist. When I use a word I use it because I want that word.
    In Iraq and Afghanistan we are NOT capturing terrorists.That was my point.And by law that means AG’s are by no means the first and foremost source of any legal actions.The military is ergo Gitmo.
    Now your your new BFF erroneously calls that parsing. Thats because if truth walked up and kicked him in his gut he’d not get it.
    As far as my albatross comment I also used that creatively and correctly. Get in touch with literature,slang and metaphors. That comment was clearly aimed at how you feel everyone sucks here cuz we don’t throw Tex in the stocks.

    As for “unnecessary sarcasm”. Good clean banter. Pure friendly snark which apparently is beyond you.

    I actually thought higher of you FN2,even as recently as your enjoyment of my submission of the Der Speigel piece in the other thread I thought you were more like R.That belief was somewhat fortified by looking at your blog. I’m honestly a little shocked.

    Rutherford I look forward to your next post. I can readily ignore or engage others in any given thread,it would indeed be a shame if folks abandon R secondary to any of the thread residents.

  237. Nobody called fakename a cunt out of the blue.

    The lonely woman continually was policing every word said here, crying victim on a daily basis while constantly running to the blog owner begging him to censor for reasons ranging from crudeness to off topic quips.

    The cunt slur was thrown at her to show how futile and silly she is being in an anonymous refuge where we speak our minds.

    To think an adult would continually return to this refuge crying about c word makes me feel sorry for you.

    We live in a world where wars are called kinetic military action and terrorist acts called man made disasters.

    Thus, I thank Rutherford for this one place where I can just speak my mind. And while I never called the silly fakename a cunt, it sure is fun watching some politically correct party pooper be called out the way we would like to call out hundreds of men and women in real life.

  238. As for Fakename’s “DON’T CAPTURE THEM”.

    Wow.

    Put a bullet in their heads so that they can’t get Constitutional Rights?

    Seriously, you can applaud yellowdog when he name calls me all you want.

    But, at the end of the day, you haven’t come close to explaining how constitutional rights could be given to POW’s captured in a battle field by the military.

    How do you give constitutional rights to the same people we are fucking KILLING.

    We often times kill them from high up in the sky, with no warning.

    Under the constitution KSM did not get due process. He would either walk or distort the very constitutional rights that protect you and me. Lose-lose.

  239. Re #318. I’m quite a bit like R, except without the tolerance for being insulted. I’m flattered that you looked at my blog…I have fun there. “Friendly snark”…isn’t that an oxymoron?

  240. Silver is either going to go parabolic now or, hopefully take a dip, and then go parabolic.

    I’m not crazy. If you have any money laying around buy silver. Don’t be afraid of a momentary dip, if it even happens.

    The end is near. If 10 percent of the middle class wakes up, the dumb money will start piling on the smart money.

    Buy silver. Buy silver. Buy silver. Buy silver.Buy silver.Buy silver.Buy silver.Buy silver.Buy silver.Buy silver.Buy silver.Buy silver.Buy silver.Buy silver.Buy silver.Buy silver.Buy silver.Buy silver.Buy silver.Buy silver.Buy silver.Buy silver.Buy silver.Buy silver.Buy silver.Buy silver.Buy silver.Buy silver.Buy silver.Buy silver.Buy silver.

  241. Well now that I’ve finished reading through all of today’s comments I must say I found it tremendously entertaining.

    OK, one thing: Alfie raises a point that I’m not sure is being completely savored. The arguments about due process, Miranda rights, and POW’s revolves around the W in POW. War

    I do agree that we confuse the heck out of things when we apply civilian legal procedure to war situations. But here is the problem. We never declared war on Afghanistan. I don’t even think we declared war on Iraq. We DID declare war on Japan in the 1940’s.

    This gets us back to this whole clusterf*ck called “the war on terror”. I have stated and still maintain that terrorism must be treated as a criminal offense. The perpetrators of terrorism should be pursued by Interpol and other international law enforcement agencies. If we insist on using the war paradigm to attack this problem, we will be at war forever because terrorism will be around forever.

    FN, as long as we insist on calling this a war, then any notion of affording American “rights” to these prisoners goes out the window. Can we torture them? Of course not. There are rules of war. But those rules don’t include getting tried by a “jury of your peers”.

    The problem as I see it, is we can’t really decide what the hell we are doing. When Eric Holder wants to try KSM in NYC, he is treating KSM like a common criminal (which I applaud). But, if he were a common criminal, he should never have gone to Gitmo in the first place. So, he’s not a common criminal … he’s a POW.

    It’s a mess … and a half!

  242. Rabbit, you may be high on silver but let me warn you about that other commodity gold … my buddy Jim Cramer said today that he expects gold to take a steep decline later this year. Now I don’t know if that will apply to silver also but I can tell you the key word understood by any good investor:

    diversification

  243. ” The perpetrators of terrorism should be pursued by Interpol and other international law enforcement”-R

    Lol. Law enforcement agencies better start buying air craft carriers and hiring hundreds of thousands of infantry soldiers that go to a boot camp formerly used to house soldiers and marines.

    Then, a massive battalion of defense lawyers need to be on the ready no matter where the “arrests” are being made.

    Of course, all American strikes in which American “law officers” have the initiative (from drone attacks to missile attacks) will be hitherto suspended.

    After all, law enforcement have to operate under a premise of innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. They can’t just sneak up and kill motherfuckers.

    Your bat shit crazy, you know that R?

    Your notion of the theater of combat is so cartoon like, I question if your over 12 years old.

  244. I hope to God your boy is right about Gold. And, silver will follow it.

    If Gold takes a major slump, that means the entire market is getting slammed thanks to the Fed tightening monetary policy.

    Of course, the Fed will then commence another round of quantive easing and the vvvvvveimar end game has begun.

    Gold will be able to be bought cheap and then explode.

    I could take a 40 percent hit on my silver right now and I swear to you I wouldn’t bat an eye. I’d be happy and buy like mad.

  245. Your notion of the theater of combat is so cartoon like, I question if your over 12 years old.

    I think you’ve missed the point.

    Where we disagree is that you are saying the only way to combat international terrorism is to use the tactics of war. I say terrorism can be handled as a criminal matter.

    Now, maybe because we have thugs like Karzai running Afghanistan, perhaps I’m wrong. Since we can’t get cooperation from the barely stable governments in these countries, then maybe war is the only way to handle it.

    Then I agree with you … let’s do what we do in war. Unlike you, I say if we’re gonna pursue the Bush Doctrine, we ought to do it on steroids and DECLARE war on the harboring nations. Bomb the crap out of them … and hell … maybe even colonize them.

    We’d be a lot better off with Chris Christie as Governor of the “Territory of Afghanistan”, put in place our tried and true American government, and lock up everyone who gets in the way.

    How’s that for a “theater of combat”?

  246. Ha ha. Kill um all?

    Again, your disconnect is showing. Do you know how many women and children would die with your policy?

    Hey man, if it makes you feel better, I wish Kojak, Charles Bronson and Hunter could arrest terrorists and try them as common criminals too. I feel you.

    Damn real world always fucking stuff up.

  247. UBL is alive. He’s also not a diabetic.

    This gets us back to this whole clusterf*ck called “the war on terror”. I have stated and still maintain that terrorism must be treated as a criminal offense. The perpetrators of terrorism should be pursued by Interpol and other international law enforcement agencies. If we insist on using the war paradigm to attack this problem, we will be at war forever because terrorism will be around forever. – R

    I suppose there might be an argument for this if we hadn’t had a decade of trying exactly this.

    Leadership is about tackling tough issues, not ignoring them. So in 1992 when US troops were killed in 3 bombing in Aden, Yemen by a group called al-Qaida, I would have asked a couple questions. In 1993 when al-Qaida was credited with being involved in Blackhawk down in Somalia, my questions and sense of urgency would have been somewhat elevated. Likewise, when the World Trade Center was attacked in 1993, I would have started to seriously question the law enforcement mechanisms avaialable to deal with this threat. Of course, by the time 1998 rolled around and some 200 plus people were killed in our embassies in Tanzania and Kenya, I would have clearly changed tactics from law enforcement to, at the very least, special forces. In 2000, when the USS Cole was attacked, my patience to deal with the threat would have been nearing its end.

    So, when 9/11 occurred, again by al-Qaida, the very last thing I would have expected from the government was the need to ask this question: WHO AND WHAT IS AL-QAIDA. That question was asked because the government was treating al-Qaida, and terrorism in general, like a law enforcement issue.

    They have declared war. They have repeatedly conducted acts of war. I see no reason to not take them at their word. There seems to be this foolish notion that once they are captured, then the trial will be nothing but formality. A hurah for our side followed by a nothing left to see here. Bullshit. These trials are turned into sideshows and venues for propaganda and rhetoric. Attorneys like Eric Holder, who’s law firm represents a large portion of the GITMO detainees (that should make your skin crawl) become mouth pieces for the conspiracies and supposed evils espoused by these groups.

    There is a parable that perfectly exemplifies the left’s love affair Islam. One day a frog (the Left) came to the bank of a stream (popular criticism and concern about Islam) and saw a scorpion (Islamic terrorists). The scorpion asked, “can you help me cross the stream.” The frog replied, “no, because you will sting me.” The scorpion, in his best manner, replied, “I will not sting you because if I do, then we will both die in the stream.” The frog accepted the scorpions request and the scorpion hopped on the back of the frog. About mid-way through the stream, the scorpion stings the frog. The frog shocked, asked the scorpion why he stung him as they were both now doomed to die, to which the scorpion replied,”I’m a scorpion, it is my nature.”

    Keep this in mind the next time you get that itch to negotiate and parley with Islamic terrorists…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_VOjGXpyIU

  248. If enemy combatants are common criminals that deserve protection under the United States constitution then I expect that either Obama’s drone strikes against them will be immediately halted or the left will be immediately outraged over him denying them due process.

    Shall I hold my breath for either?

  249. More teabuggers in a snit:
    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/264599/strike-one-editors

    “There’s realism and then there’s cynicism. This deal — oversold and dependent on classic Washington budget trickery — comes too close to the latter. John Boehner has repeatedly said he’s going to reject “business as usual,” but that’s what he’s offered his caucus. It’s one thing for Tea Party Republicans to vote for a cut that falls short of what they’d get if the controlled all of Washington; it’s another thing for them, after making so much of bringing transparency and honesty to the Beltway, to vote for a deal sold partly on false pretenses.

    As they push a bargain that is still not fully understood, Boehner and the leadership have put their members in an awful fix with another deadline to keep the government open fast approaching. We’d vote “no,” even if we understand the impulse to move on to more important matters and to avoid a leap into the dark that might include a politically damaging shutdown. At the very least, freshmen and other conservatives should be frank about the deal’s shortcomings, refusing to exaggerate its merits as their leadership often has. The episode is strike one against the speakership of John Boehner.”

    Tea anyone? Crow with that?

  250. Wow. I’m green, Rutherford. Then again, I should likely share my thoughts rather than reflecting others’ if I wanted social discourse.
    I’m afraid the Canuck has seen the cartoon of everybody yukking it up about the campaign slogan ‘Hope and Change’.
    In ’93 Canada destroyed the Cons. The Liberals ran with the program that literally destroyed that party. Nuttily enough, they have since formed a minority government for two terms…while lately racking up the first case of ‘Contempt of Parliament’ for lying in the House of Commons that I can think of.
    I see the same thing south of the 49th, too. The role of one War Party is to be ‘over the top’ assholes…and the role of the other War Party is to fund the activity using the jerks as ‘plausible deniability.’
    Go to Wikipedia and see what you can find out about Narco Kleptocracy. Of course, if it never occurred to you that Air America was real, that could be a shock. Ditto al CIA-da as the mythical organization very loosely translated as bullshit should be known ( toilet being close enough, I should think ).
    But the torture and Gitmo garbage is true slapstick of a vile nature. My stacks will get you going. In opitslinkfest.blogspot.com>Topical Index>Law http://opitslinkfest.blogspot.com/2010/09/law.html
    find Bilateral Immunity Agreements
    2002 American Serviceman Protection Act
    2006 Military Commissions Act

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