Nukes, Libya and Angry Libs

Nukes

Let’s talk about Russian Roulette. I hand you a revolver capable of firing six bullets. I only load one chamber of the revolver. I leave the other five empty. I spin the cylinder and tell you to put the revolver to your head and pull the trigger. Your odds are not bad. You have a five in six chance of emerging from the request happy and healthy. You have a one in six chance of being dead. Despite those odds, you decline my offer. I can’t blame you. Nuclear power plants operate along the same lines. The odds of a major disaster are small. But when it happens the results are devastating. The plant failure in Japan thanks to an earthquake and resulting tsunami have now surpassed the severity of our Three Mile Island disaster of decades ago but has not yet reached the proportion of the then USSR’s Chernobyl. Some here in the US say “nothing to see here.” The logic goes “when a plane crashes does everyone stop flying?” Well, the simple truth is there are a number of people who refuse to fly based on the risks. Those who fly do so by choice. Short of zoning ordinances, what choice do people have who live in the vicinity of a nuclear power plant?

To make matters worse, I heard an explanation the other night of how nuclear power plants work. I admit this was a “nuclear power for dummies” explanation but the explanation still blew my mind. You see, I was always under the impression that nuclear fission within the plants directly generated electricity somehow. What I discovered is that the nuclear fission (a controlled nuclear reaction similar to an atomic bomb without the blast) is used to heat water, which in turn creates steam, which in turn runs turbines or some such other contraption that generates electricity. Reminded me of the old children’s game “Mouse Trap”. For all its sophistication, it sounded awfully Rube Goldberg. It made me imagine an energy plant where the electricity was generated by treadmills. On the treadmills were humans running. Keeping them running was the threat that if they slowed down, they would be shot in the foot. A high risk to human health just to generate energy. We create nuclear reactions just to heat up water? Could this really be the basic way nuclear power plants are run? Isn’t there any safer, less expensive way to do this?

Nuclear plants are not cheap. Instead of continuing to build these accidents waiting to happen, let’s direct that money to the serious development of wind and solar solutions. Japan has taught us there are no fail-safe nuclear plants. We must ask ourselves is the gain really worth the risk.

Libya

As I write this, we have joined with a bunch of allies to drop bombs on Libya. Sugar coat it any way you like, it sounds to me like we are at war with yet another country. Like it or not, the least I want is an honest answer for why we need to get involved in this and President Obama handed me a load of bull yesterday when he announced the effort we were joining. But let me take you back to another famous speech made by a recent President.

Knowing these realities, America must not ignore the threat gathering against us. Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof — the smoking gun — that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud.

via Bush: Don’t wait for mushroom cloud – Page 5 – CNN.

This of course was the load of malarkey that George W. Bush handed us to justify invading Iraq. Not only were we told about nonexistent weapons of mass destruction but he upped the ante by suggesting that Saddam Hussein would nuke the United States of America. With that bit of manipulation in my rear view mirror, I heard these comments from our current President:

Now, here is why this matters to us. Left unchecked, we have every reason to believe that Qaddafi would commit atrocities against his people. Many thousands could die. A humanitarian crisis would ensue. The entire region could be destabilized, endangering many of our allies and partners. The calls of the Libyan people for help would go unanswered. The democratic values that we stand for would be overrun. Moreover, the words of the international community would be rendered hollow.

via Obama’s Speech on Libya Situation (Full Text) – International Business Times.

“The entire region could be destabilized.” Come again? I immediately thought, this is Obama’s mushroom cloud. How does a civil war destabilize an entire region? Qaddafi has acted like a tyrant for decades and the entire region was not destabilized by it. No sooner did this thought cross my mind then I heard my words echo back to me from the TV as Jack Jacobs, a retired US army colonel voiced the very same opinion and went even further to say that if anything, our intervention in Libya may be the destabilizing force there.

When President Obama tells me we can’t stand by and let people get slaughtered, I can understand that. But when he tries to scare me with conjecture about regional destabilization, he crosses the line into Iraq-era propaganda. I expected Bush to pee on me and tell me it was raining. I didn’t expect that from Barack Obama.

Angry Libs

I have long beaten the drum against the violent rhetoric of the right-wing ideologues in this country. I stand by it. Many of the signs carried by Tea Party members are beneath the dignity of anyone claiming to be a patriotic American. Worse than that, those in power in the GOP have not behaved much better, whether it be birther sympathizers or fools like Joe Wilson who yelled “you lie” to the President during a congressional address. I have also maintained that we don’t see this behavior coming from the left.

Until now.

As I have written in a recent article, the behavior of just about every politician in Wisconsin is reprehensible when it comes to this union busting legislation that was recently passed (and has now been legally challenged). When some of my readers confronted me about signs carried by the left-wing during the Wisconsin kerfuffle, I acknowledged that hateful signs from the left are no better than those from the right. However I maintained that left leaning politicians in Wisconsin still held to a higher standard than their GOP counterparts. Sadly I was mistaken. Wisconsin Democratic Assemblyman Gordon Hintz, reacting to the passing of the union busting bill, said to his Republican colleague, Michelle Litjens “you’re f*cking dead”. Where I come from, that makes Joe Wilson’s “you lie” sound like a compliment. Litjens described the incident to a reporter and appeared graceful in the face of disgraceful behavior.

A message to my fellow liberals: we need to walk it like we talk it. Our righteous and completely appropriate indignation at the likes of Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann and others who stoke anger and discontent among their followers amounts to nothing but rank hypocrisy when we tolerate the same behavior from our own. Hintz should be urged to resign for his remarks. His direct statement to Litjens amounts to a much more volatile act than cross-hairs on a campaign map.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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163 thoughts on “Nukes, Libya and Angry Libs

  1. Panel One Nukes
    No no no. Nuclear power is still an excellent option to the power needs of the world. Do not be fooled that as the world grows and petros diminish for one reason or another that sun and wind is the answer. It is not R. There are risks and responsibilities to being part of mankind,an occasional nuclear mishap is one of them.
    Panel Two Libya and loosely connected to your feelings on O’s LA trip & the rest of his presidency.
    Economist
    Quick and easy read with very good points imo and fair to the point of reversing the articles title.
    Panel Three the “angry Libs”
    You offer your fellow libs excellent advice but it will fall on deaf ears of that chunk who much like the chunk the right owns are not angry as much as they are cro magnon knuckle dragging morons. It doesn’t matter their economic class either because much like ghetto it isn’t skin or $$$ it is a state of mind.
    On another note whats the book on the time and over under yes no that the shit talker never gets chastized?

  2. Yeah. You to thought all that nuclear energy was something much more sophisticated, too, A helluva way to make steam. And we still make all that waste that nobody can touch. How long can we keep dumping that crap in the ocean off Somalia or storing it underground? Are we idiots, or what?

    I think it is obvious, when a president gets sworn in, the first thing that happens is he gets fitted with a nose ring. Some wear it more elegantly than others. None of them lead on the dance floor.

    AFA the political carnival goes, the left is no better than the right. The right runs more of a pack mentality, whereas the left never learned follow the leader as well. These guys are just the canaries in the coal mine. This pressure cooker is heating up and is soon to blow. It’s a brave new world.

  3. You know what I think is tragically funny “R”?

    As I left on the previous thread, Obama has so beautifully exposed just how dumb you people from the Left really are. For example, we put a moratorium on off-shore drilling, and what happens? Cuba is now conducting offshore drilling in conjunction with South America 50 miles offshore of Miami. 50 miles – the same approximate distance of the BP disaster off the coast of Lousiana. And I would guess the risk of an accident is now far greater. And what do we get for our phony troubles? Nothing. Bupkis. Zilch. And we watch a prime resource grown more scarce.

    I don’t mean to be “mean”, but I like the truth. You guys live your entire lives double downed on stupid. In Grand Wizard’s case, he blew his entire wad in the round, and now hangs around the table looking for a handout

    I saw a title of an article this morning: Community Activist turns Cowboy. And I thought to myself, this clown has no moral bearings whatsoever – just like his minions who voted for him. You guys are reactionaries. No plan, no purpose, just wavering emotion. Obama has not only exposed himself to be a weak man – he exposed the inherent weakness of an entire movement called Liberal or Progressive. Take your pick.

    And this article is equally wrong, wrong-headed, mistaken, and downright stupid about the role of nuclear energy. Your facts aren’t even right about Three Mile Island.

  4. Hi R. Very thought-provoking post. I echo Alfie’s comment about nuclear power. And I will add…there is no “safe” source of energy. Think: Deepwater Horizon. It’s my understanding that wind and solar are not capable of providing enough energy at the level we now consume it, the operable phrase being “at the level we now consume it”. I don’t know what the answer is. I just saw something on TV about how they are building a steel and concrete dome to put over the Chernobyl reactor which is expected to last 100 years. While the reactor will continue to emit dangerous levels of radiation for thousands of years. So again, what is the answer? Candles, and horses for transportation? That simply is not going to happen.
    Libya: I grasp your comparison between this and Iraq, however, there is a huge difference. This is a U.N. action. Not an essentially unilateral cowboy decision by the U.S. based on faulty manufactured “evidence”. Which, by the way, we only know in hindsight. Like you, I do ask, why here and why now? And if this were Saudi Arabia, would we be joining in? That said, I’m pleased. We stood by and did nothing about Rwanda or Darfur. Perhaps we and the U.N. have evolved to the point where we will not stand by and let a government massacre its own citizens.
    Libs: No argument there. If people think the solution to people like Michelle Bachmann is to be more like her, then, what can I say?

  5. A U.N. sanctioned action that took 31 days while opposing LIbyan citizens were slaughtered with planes, tanks and explosives. A U.N. sanctioned action that has no defined objective besides some nebulous protect the citizenry. A U.N. sanctioned action that Russia and China snubbed. And a U.N. sanctioned action that was driven not by America’s goodness or bravery, yet by of all people the French. The same U.N. that imposed 16 sanctions on Saddam, with no intent of ever enforcing. The same U.N. and agreed to by Saddam Hussein that stole monies from the mouths of children in Iraq, starving thousands of innocents while enriching “U.N. Diplomats” and leaders. The same U.N. whose own troops mass raped thousands of women in the Sudan.

    Was it manufactured evidence that Saddam gassed Kurds twice? Was it manufactured evidence that Saddam continually broke 16 U.N. sanctioned resolutions on a daily basis, with no intent of living by the agreements after Desert Storm? Was it manufactured evidence that Saddam launched SCUD missiles unprovoked into Tel Aviv? Was it manufactured evidence that Saddam paid Palestinian families $25K per Jew killed in suicide bombings? Was it manufactured evidence that Iraq housed Abu Nidal, a notorious murderer of American citizens throughout the 80s? Was it manufactured evidence that Saddam attacked Kuwait, with intent of taking the entire Middle East? Was it manufactured evidence that indeed it was discovered after the initiation of the Iraq War, Iraq possessed 550 metric tons of the supposedly nonexistent ‘yellowcake’ uranium?

    Was any of this manufactured evidence?

  6. Tex@ 6 ands 8, not to play the Smithers to your Mr. Burns, but. . . “you’re on fire, sir.”

    “You guys are reactionaries. No plan, no purpose, just wavering emotion. Obama has not only exposed himself to be a weak man – he exposed the inherent weakness of an entire movement called Liberal or Progressive. Take your pick.”

    Precisely.

  7. IMPORTANT TO LIBERALS – PLEASE READ FOR FURTHER INSTRUCTION

    To make matters worse, I heard an explanation the other night of how nuclear power plants work. What I discovered is that the nuclear fission (a controlled nuclear reaction similar to an atomic bomb without the blast) is used to heat water, which in turn creates steam, which in turn runs turbines or some such other contraption that generates electricity.

    Before you hear anything on those idiot stations you watch about teaching ‘XXX’ for Dummies, and before you write anymore articles like this about the simplicity of a nuclear plant, perhaps you should listen to “Electricity for Dummies.”

    You can’t store electricity. It produced on demand.

    A hydroelectric dam allows the release of water to spin turbines, which in turn is passed through grids and power stations, which is then through a series of transformers, transferred to local transformer in your neighborhood, to meet the electrical demand of the private and public to meet an established peak usage.

    Do you also think the Hoover Dam a “simplistic” process? FDR would be greatly annoyed if he were still with us.

    I’ll say this again. For every megawatt of energy produced by alternative fuels, the federal government subsidy is over $24.00. In comparison, energy by means of hydrocarbons (oil, NG, and coal) receives 25 cents per megawatt of energy. One coal mine produces more energy that all of the solar and wind alternatives combined.

    Solar and Wind currently produce about .6% of the energy requirements for the United States. Wood produces 2% of the energy produced in the U.S. It would take approximately $2,000,000,000,000.00 of investment to establish the means necessary to make wind feasible to carry current to urban communities.

    Solar panels require rare metals like silver that are quickly becoming scarce, and the panels produce fraction of the power equivalency vis-a-vis hydrocarbon, hydroelectric, and nuclear. Currently, neither wind nor solar is remotely capable of meeting even the barest minimum required to meet the demands of the U.S. consumer.

    Finally Rutherford, to this very day, there has been no established residual from the accident at Three Mile Island, nor has there been any definitive proof of death. None. Please set that to memory before your pen your next nuclear rant in opposition.

  8. In the history of America, has a President ever dashed off overseas with his family for a trip mixed with business and pleasure on the eve of opening hostilities on another nation?

  9. Dear Rabbit, 😐

    You have a gift I don’t have. You can propose the most profound questions to Liberals in the most simple of ways.

    You are one of the few bright, educated men with common sense I have ever read that might, and I specify might as my assumption dependent upon a Liberal’s insect capable understanding, be able to teach these imbeciles something that requires an iota of critical thinking.

    Obama’s Presidential methods of demonstrating leadership seem to parallel Rodney Dangerfield’s executive character in Caddy Shack. And Rutherford is the character of Bill Murray hunting gophers with plastic explosives.

    Besides, there is eight NCAA basketball games today and his bracket is still looking good. Priorities, priorities.

  10. “Perhaps we and the U.N. have evolved to the point where we will not stand by and let a government massacre its own citizens.”

    I will remind you that the opposition in Libya has formed what they are calling a government, and have named its capital Benghazi. That means opposition fighters are no longer “civilians.” They are rebels/soldiers.

    I support them. But let’s be perfectly honest about who they are and what we are doing. We are supporting rebels who are fighting against a government that the world has considered as sovereign for more than 40 years.

  11. Excellent point Huck and nobody should swallow anything different. The French especially embrace the rebels “legitimacy” which makes this an absolute farce on the humanitarian grounds folks are trumpeting.This thing is a sham,a mugging of a sovereign albeit pain in the ass pos nation. A sham just the same.

  12. Here’s a scenario I came up with last night….

    All along, Gaddafi has been saying that the rebels are supported by Al Qaeda (obvious BS). Last night he threatened all who are acting against him and said he was going to open up the arsenals again.

    I think he could possibly invite AQ in at this point, and give them entry into the arsenal. And if we find later that AQ is or was there, he will say, “of course they are. I TOLD YOU THAT ALL ALONG!” Meanwhile AQ is furnished with nice weapons it could have never hoped to gain otherwise.

    Remember…you read it here first.

  13. Isn’t Islam in Libya often moderate and Sufist in nature? Maybe those rebels will be the unapologetic pro-Western Arab Street we have been looking for. Wishful thinking, I’m sure.

    How could Al Quada even get there?

    Seems a lot tougher to slip into Libya in any numbers, particularly during a no-fly zone.

    Plus, wouldn’t those guys stick out like sore thumbs amongst the Berber mixed Arabs?

    What else can you do but hope for the best and support the troops at this point.

    As far as the UN honorably intervening for the sake of human rights, what a joke.

    I don’t even remember the name of the sub-Saharan country that ended a protest of women by mowing them all down with machine gun fire. (That’s how little it was reported, two weeks ago). Oh, I forgot, they were black. The UN only seems to rape black women and molest black boys when and if they intervene.

  14. Gad,,,there are.

    Fun fact: Uranium-235 is the isotope of uranium that is used in nuclear reactors. Uranium-235 can produce 3.7 million times as much energy as the same amount of coal. As an example, 7 trucks, each carrying 6 cases of 2-12 foot high fuel assemblies, can fuel a 1000 Megawatt-electrical (MWe) reactor for 1.5 years. During this period, ~ 2 metric tons of Uranium-235 (of the 100 metric tons of fuel – uranium dioxide) would be consumed. To operate a coal plant of the same output would require 1 train of 89-100 ton coal cars each EVERY day. Over 350,000 tons of ash would be produced AND over 4 million tons of carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides and sulfur oxides would be released to the environment.

    I keep hearing Liberals cry for clean, alternative energy, low in emissions, competitive with coal costs, with abundant source material, dependable and efficient. You going to let one epic tsunami, a lifetime event, dictate our entire potential energy policy, at the chance of your children operating in the cold and dark?

    Well?

  15. Huck,

    Here’s a scenario my limited info in forming an opinion came up with. As bad as K. Daffy is, and he deserves a tomahawk in his living room with him in it which I hope happens, do we know enough about the makeup of these “freedom fighters” to know they aren’t radicals themselves?

    I really don’t know anything about their makeup. For all I know, maybe we ought to be rooting on they kill each other.

  16. “Isn’t Islam in Libya often moderate and Sufist in nature? Maybe those rebels will be the unapologetic pro-Western Arab Street we have been looking for. Wishful thinking, I’m sure. ”

    I can’t speak to the sectarian makeup of Libya. But I read somewhere last night that like 1 in 4 insurgents in Iraq were from eastern Libya. If that’s accurate, then we can forget about that.

    The rebels seem to be very tribal in nature. It is my understanding that their government is made up of tribal leaders under the guise of “local councils.” I kind of think they only say the word “democracy” as lip service. But unless they turn Islamist, I can’t see where they wouldn’t be better than what is there now.

    “Seems a lot tougher to slip into Libya in any numbers, particularly during a no-fly zone.”

    Dunno. But they managed to get into Iraq while fighting was going on there.

    “Plus, wouldn’t those guys stick out like sore thumbs amongst the Berber mixed Arabs? ”

    AQ is well-established in N. Africa.

  17. “1 in 4 insurgents in Iraq were from eastern Libya.”-hucking

    Damn. That’s fucked up. Too bad General Patten isn’t leading this. After knocking out Count Duku a formal request would be made to bomb the rebels.

  18. You are such a gullible idiot. Ever hear of nuclear waste? Hello? I realize you conservatives types never empty the trash, expecting others to do it, but somebody has to. That part of your “clean” solution has never been figured out. Why is it you guys never think the entire thing all the way through? It is the same with everything you charge into.

    You can always start shit but never finish it. Fuckin’ Bushites.

  19. “I realize you conservatives types never empty the trash, expecting others to do it, but somebody has to. That part of your “clean” solution has never been figured out. Why is it you guys never think the entire thing all the way through? It is the same with everything you charge into.”

    Back that horse up a bit, there, pard. Your claim is not exclusive to 1 side.

    Who didn’t pass a budget, leaving it to the incoming group?

    Who claimed unemployment would be at a certain level if certain bills were passed?

    Who claimed its health care bill was paid for while forgetting about varying tax revenues?

  20. Ever hear of nuclear waste? You ever heard of rock? Feel the front of your head between your bug eyes, run your hands along your temples, and end at the occipital point. That’s called granite.

    Where do you think this naturally occurring element called U-235 exists dipshit? Buried. You put it back spent where you got it, buried under millions of tons of your head.

    But uneducated, unsophisticated, illiterate conspiracy bohunks wearing Klan hoods late at night, are too busy flapping their wings screaming “The Sky is Falling!!!”

    I grant you’re good at finishing things. Like your pool business. 😉

    I realize you conservatives types never empty the trash, expecting others to do it, but somebody has to. That part of your “clean” solution has never been figured out. Why is it you guys never think the entire thing all the way through? It is the same with everything you charge into.

    You can always start shit but never finish it. Fuckin’ Bushites.

  21. Back that horse up a bit, there, pard.

    Been there, and that is quite a task.

    Your claim is not exclusive to 1 side.

    Okay, I’ll rephrase: 9 out of 10 times.

    Who didn’t pass a budget, leaving it to the incoming group?

    Who could pass one without all the facts? Who is going to be the realist and cut defense or open the FED?

    Who claimed unemployment would be at a certain level if certain bills were passed?

    Who has a real handle on where unemployment is really at?

    Who claimed its health care bill was paid for while forgetting about varying tax revenues?

    That would be the CBO

  22. All I’ve got to say is never get an X-Ray. Your four combover hairs might fall out Wizard.

    National Geographic? Well, that’s a fine unbiased source that I’ve received as a gift for 15 years. The same ones that hypothesize your birth was due to global warming. Nice pictures…I canceled my membership last year due to bad science and liberal overload. Now, they are begging me to stay. Literally calling me every week. I told them as recently as last week, shove it and why. Like you, they babbled about funding. 😆

    Those are in tanks dumbass. T-A-N-K-S. Tanks. Storage tanks. Not the same material that your head is made of called granite. Not deep just like your mind. Not made of stone like your mind. Can you head your granite around that?

    What I want to know is what are you going to do with all that radioactive metal sitting in the earth naturally? Blame God? Do you ever give one thought to that? Careful. It’s in your backyard already.

    There is a bright side to running out of energy. I want to see your ass sitting in the desert without air conditioning in Phoenix, in the dead of summer.

  23. Wizard, you must be built like Bluto – your neck consisting of two huge sternocleidomastoid muscles, mounted to support a block of lead.

    With a orb that dense, it’s a wonder you can stand. You’re approaching Dawg Density.

  24. And Rutherford is the character of Bill Murray hunting gophers with plastic explosives.

    Funny, that is the very impression I’m beginning to get about how nuclear reactors work. 🙂

  25. Rabbit … I addressed the Latin America trip in the prior thread. You need to give it a rest. We have relationships to foster with many countries around the globe and that doesn’t stop just because we are engaged in military exercises.

    Spend your time being steamed about other stuff. This is a non-starter.

  26. You have problems with facts in that National Geographic piece? I found the same info at various other sources. Radioactive stuff in the ground is not the same, you gullible idiot. Don’t wear it around your neck. You are probably in agreement with Ann Coulter when she said on O’Reilly that radioactivity is good for you. I’m surprised your ilk hasn’t killed themselves off yet. Obviously we have upset nature and the natural selection of life.

    AFA the heat in Phoenix, I have no problems without AC. It was here a long time before the advent of AC. We do things different in the desert. During the heat of the day, plenty shut down and siesta. Construction begins around 3 to 4am and runs till eleven or noon. Things pick up again in the evening when the sun is starting to set. Except for the concrete island, it cools quite nicely during the night. I’m certain I would fair much better in the 120 degree days than you would. We don’t run AC in the backyards I generally work in. Ask your daughter about duhhhh.

    AFA tanks. I know all about tanks. Underground tanks have a life. Above ground tanks have a life. You do realize that, don’t you? The material the tanks are made from are eventually broken down due to the stuff you store in them and the environment outside of them. This is elementary knowledge that you, having been in the oilfield, should know about.

  27. FN2 while there no doubt are differences between our actions in Libya and those in Iraq, my biggest problem is we have no end game in Libya. We have a limited mission that makes no sense. Unless we are in it until Gadaffi is gone, we’re wasting our time.

  28. Anyone know the number to call in to Rutherford’s radio show?

    Call me paranoid but I got a caller today claiming to be calling in from Malta. If I didn’t know better I would have thought it was Rabbit up to his old tricks. But this is interesting … the caller, prankster or not, claimed that the Arab League privately did not want coalition interference in Libya but were bullied into it. Based on the article posted earlier in this thread about the Arab League’s dissatisfaction with the attack (not what they signed up for) I’m beginning to wonder if my caller really was not a prankster after all.

  29. Radioactive stuff in the ground is not the same, you gullible idiot.

    Well Wizard. You single-handedly have achieved what I thought beforehand impossible. You’ve achieved Yeller Dawg Cranium Density. Who knew while you were running the bulldozer, you were contemplating fission and neutrons.

    Why don’t you explain to the class the difference in U-235 and why it can’t be put back under thousands of tons of granite? I would dearly love for you to research this and get back with us to explain the difference.

    I could use the hoot.

  30. Tex, I’ve read a tiny bit to shore up my general impression … please tell me where I am wrong.

    The uranium culled from the earth is actually only slightly radioactive. The whole point of the nuclear reactor is to cause nuclear fission to occur, which based on the make up of U-235 causes a chain reaction. So isn’t it misleading to say uranium out of the ground is the same as what goes on once it is impacted by neutrons in a reactor?

    Be kind …. I readily admit up front I am FAR from an expert on this … but I’m still seeing us deliberately triggering a nuclear explosion (without the bang) just to heat water to create steam. That’s like being locked out of your house and throwing a grenade at the door when you could just pick the lock.

  31. For a good time, check out Wizard’s latest technical link from the author “Santa Susana” documenting all the nuclear “meltdowns” for 50 years. 😆 😆 😆 And he calls me gullible. 😈

    Wizard

    Assuming this vast U.S. right-wing conspiracy of nuclear Armageddon is true for the moment, where’s all the irreparable damage? Where’s all the radiation? Where’s all the swollen thyroids and deformed animals? Why are there umpteen million people still living in the Los Angeles area?

    Granite was not the right description for your cranium density. Iridium Head is the only natural occurring substance that comes close. Maybe Kryptonite. ❗

  32. Rutherford,

    From memory so these are approximations. U-238 makes up about 99% of the uranium mined, and is only slightly radioactive. It is fairly close to being considered stable, explaining why its half-life is 4.7 billion years.

    Less than 1% of the uranium mined is natural U-235, but U-235 does occur naturally. There are trace amounts of U-234 (I think) also occurring in nature and I don’t know much about it.

    U-238 is separated in centrifuges to produce U-235 (I’m actually skipping steps and this is the easy explanation), the u-235 isotope used in reactors – it is highly radioactive. Plutonium is an artificial isotope, decaying into U-235.

    But the point is Rutherford, while very dangerous because of the isotopes produced upon decay, U-235 can be handled if we do it properly. But Rutherford, we have all kinds of dangerous compounds and elements that we handle properly. For instance, hydrogen sulfide (a by product of natural gas) is deadly. So is carbon monoxide. The science is there to handle the dangers. These things dissipate over time.

    I’ll try to explain it better later given the chance. Best a non-physicist can explain nuclear engineering. 😐

  33. GI, here’s to your naturally occuring radioactive material’s risk. Primarily to oilfield and energy field workers where this stuff comes into play. NORM is not federally regulated in the United States. It looks like all the risks are tied to the energy mining industries. These are your buddies. The folks you defend as the good guys.

    The enriched stuff is dangerous for millions of years. It is a lot more toxic than any naturally occuring radiation.

    Question for you GI. How much more popular is cancer today than it was 50 years ago? No connection, right?

    ♪♫ ♪ Breathe. Breathe in the air. ♫ ♪ ♫

  34. Wizard, the only skill you have is googling shit to make it appear you are intelligent, and a little elementary HTML to provide a facade of education, making your links colorful. You have no idea what you just posted, because you wouldn’t understand the periodic table, much less fission, fusion, neutrinos, or the concept of photons – I guarantee it.

    If you want to prove me wrong, let’s go to the Coliseum and take the test real time where we have two minutes to answer each other’s “academic” questions.

    Try to wrap your dense head around this fact dummy. U-235, the typical isotope used in a reactor, occurs naturally. I don’t need to to look at your tables, your googles, or your bullshit white supremacist sites to know you’re a fucking Fat Granny tool, who links to shit to make it appear you know what you are talking about.

    See you in the Coliseum Wizard? Why don’t we put some money on it and make it worth my time to make you look the rube so that I’m motivated, and we’ll see what we really know? Give me a time after 10:00 PM, and I’ll be there. Remember, two minutes per question. No cutting and pasting; no links.

    And you’ll prove every bit as ignorant and dense as Yeller Dawg.

  35. “Call me paranoid but I got a caller today claiming to be calling in from Malta If I didn’t know better I would have thought it was Rabbit up to his old tricks.”-Rutherford

    R…..I have no idea what your talking about. I’ve been blamed for many pranks, some of which I take credit in the same fashion 4 different terrorist groups take credit for the same bombing. Rest assured I was screaming at the TV during the Michigan-Duke game.

  36. Yeah. I love the current Michigan team. Considering the lineage of a few of the players, they are humble and play great as a team. Not even one junior or senior on the team.

    I loath Michigan St. So, this has been a pretty good year. If we would have pulled this game out, it would have been a new era in recruiting.

  37. I knew with that game close Rabbit, Michigan was going to have to perform a miracle. I’ve watched this tournament so many years now, you can rest assured that if the game is close, Duke is going to get every break and every call. Happens every year.

    Most people like me hate Duke, but I do like Coach K (Republican 🙂 ). I’ve never seen so many white 5’6″ trust fund babies rooting for a team. I despise everything about that school but the coach, especially after the Duke Lacrosse 88 professor crap. That was the final straw to know it’s PC U and highly overrated.

    I think Guido and CBS have a push going to see Duke win it again. Refs will be worth 6-8 points a game.

  38. GI, with my “hunt and peck” typing skills, it takes me 2 minutes to get out 2 sentences. Then if I’m smart, I check it for spelling and grammar before posting. So your 2 minute challenge doesn’t sound anywhere near appealing to me.

    A fact is a fact is a fact, whether it posts in 2 minutes or 20. You haven’t been able to disprove any of them. You bitch about the source or you just get all flustered and type the colorful language with the various emoticons. That’s not a debate. If we were sitting across the table from each other, I would take your challenge. That way you would have to address all the questions and provide an honest rebuttal. And you would need to admit when you were wrong. Obviously that isn’t your style.

  39. Okay, I’ll give you five minutes. You ought to be able to cut and paste in that time. 😉

    No, I’m not wrong. Your chemistry and physics are non-existent and you know it.

  40. I’m still not satisfied with the answers I’m getting. Uranium-235 is 0.72% of the uranium naturally found in the ground. What I don’t understand is when that uranium is culled from the ground is it radioactive right off the bat or is it only radioactive once it has been bombarded with other particles?

    I’m also not getting the whole difference between fissile and fissionable. I believe U-235 is fissile (capable of chain reaction?) while U-238 is fissionable (incapable of chain reaction).

    What provokes the chain reaction?

    Where’s a nuclear physicist when I need one? 🙂

  41. Rutherford,

    U-238 is only dangerous when inhaled or consumed. The reason the half-life of U-238 is so long is it is close to being considered a stable particle (slightly radioactive). Yes, it is a hazard, especially when exposed to moisture (like most metals), because it produces hydrofluoric acid.

    U-235 has the ability of fission when removed from the earth, but there is refining process to enrich the uranium because of the chemical properties required for weapons grade U-235 (critical mass). To enrich uranium, it must first be put in the chemical form uranium hexafluoride (UF6). After enrichment, UF6 is chemically converted to uranium dioxide U02 which is a metal pellet. This is what you find in nuclear reactors.

    A critical mass of a nuclear bomb is the smallest amount of fissile material needed for a sustained nuclear chain reaction, and to be honest, I’m not sure what that mass is, though I thought I had read about 3lbs. A suitcase nuclear bomb I have read is really more of a dirty bomb than a nuclear bomb – enough power to spread radioactive material a great distance, but not enough to actually start a chain reaction.

    From Wiki: The critical mass of a fissionable material depends upon its nuclear properties (e.g. the nuclear fission cross-section), its density, its shape, its enrichment, its purity, its temperature and its surroundings.

    Roll 150lbs of enriched U-235 into a ball and you’ve got a nuclear bomb. If I understand the process correctly, once you have enough enriched U-235, the concept and complexity behind a nuclear bomb is not the the reaction itself, but the mechanism to do so.

    Remember, spent rods are spent. Most of the uranium no longer exists in the U-235 form. Is it dangerous? Yes? But at Three Mile Island, the enriched rods actually dropped to the graphite floor and burned only 5/8″ into the containment metal. There was no residual to the environment.

  42. OH, and the mechanism starts the chain reaction by ramming one piece into the other with incredibly high explosive. I’m sure there are more sophisticated ways now, but the idea is still the same.

    And I think I should have said 3 kilograms or 6.6lbs. Some of this I’m doing from memory six years agolearned in a physic’s class.

    e=mc^2

  43. I’ve perused a number of liberal leaning media entities today (not blogs) and I have to say I am absolutely disgusted with the hypocrisy and idiocy of the international liberal elites and their take on Libya War.
    That this war is the right war at the right time for the right reasons is a morally bankrupt statement and is one I’ve seen within all the pro Obama pro Libya war propaganda.

  44. You’re surprised by it? My God — rank hypocrisy defines the international liberal elites and the Obama-left here. So which piece of MSNBC shit-assed wisdom/soundbite will be the grub du jour?

  45. FWIW, I just posted a comment over at Alfie’s place supporting his general position on this Libyan military action. Until the government tells us the truth of our involvement, I’m not impressed.

    We are there to topple Gadaffi. Stop lying to me and telling me otherwise. If we are not there to topple Gadaffi, then we’re wasting our time.

  46. Tex, thanks for the added details, definitely helped. With that said, do I understand you to be saying that the spent fuel rods are no more radioactive than the U-235 that we pulled out of the ground in the first place?

  47. I guess we’ll have to wait for Obama to return from vacation to hear what he has to say about the bombing of a foreign nation.

    “Governance in absentia” should be Obama’s 2012 campaign slogan. Truly pathetic.

  48. R said, “Tigre, most soldiers do their duty nobly I would imagine. Some are bad apples and they make hell for the rest of us. It’s a damn shame.”

    Indeed. The question is how the left reacts to these “bad apples” this time. I suspect it will be with the same level of rank hypocrisy that now defines the Lefty’s approach to just about everything.

  49. Tigre, two things:

    First, Obama is not on vacation. Stop being an ass.

    Second, one way to immediately deflate the predictable left response to the corpse trophy photos is for the right to vociferously denounce them right off the bat. Nature abhors a vacuum and silence is approval. Let’s see Fox cover this with the passion they covered Van Jones. 😉

  50. Second, one way to immediately deflate the predictable left response to the corpse trophy photos is for the right to vociferously denounce them right off the bat.
    Let’s be clear here. First off it seems by all accounts that the actions of this group were pursued and prosecuted without the public disclosure of the images. Der Speigel to their credit published only three although I have not seen there reporting on it. I could find no mention of it on the international version.
    Second the Guardian UKs journalism is very clear in its agenda and purpose of picking up the story. As is the pay per view anti war anti US site that somehow has also gotten some of the reported 4000 images.
    So to recap the US pursued and prosecuted the individuals involved with clear concern that overly public disclosure could cost others their lives. The Guardian & others….not so much

  51. You know Rutherford, in reading that, I might have misled without meaning to and I don’t want to minimize the danger of spent fuel rods.

    In doing some simple math, I would think spent fuel rods, which are still highly radioactive, are still far more dangerous that mined u-235 uranium, because the rods are still “enriched” and composed of about 5 times as much radioactive material as uranium before processing. Don’t quote me on that.

    I wasn’t trying to minimize the danger of the “spent rods”, which are still highly radioactive. I was simply trying to alleviate the idea of this asinine proposition that spent fuel rods are a dirty bomb laying around waiting to happen.

    I think what the main concern, and I’m no nuclear expert obviously, is that the rods are lethal for such an extended time because of the incredibly long half life. I do know they are encased in concrete before shipment. But I think with today’s technology, management of the rods buried under thousands of tons of stable earth poses a minimal risk.

    To me, the rewards of the clean power provided, in conjunction with the availability of the material, far surpass the assumed risks. It’s a clean fuel, but a dangerous fuel, and frankly, I don’t see any available and feasible alternative to oil other than nuclear, hydro (which is tapped), and natural gas. Wind may eventually prove a feasible alternative, but that is years away and billions of dollars in investment just to make it practical. The energy demands must be meant within 5-10 years.

  52. BTW … off topic (kind of) … anyone heard from Gorilla lately? Surely he has an opinion on this Libya thing. I subscribe to his blog and he hasn’t blogged about it yet.

  53. “First, Obama is not on vacation. Stop being an ass.”

    No way, Jose.

    First, I will never stop being an ass. 😈

    Second, there is a pattern here, and it’s as much optics as a failure to lead. I thought Alfie’s link to the very brief Economist article was good one. Simply put, Obama is our Chauncey Gardner. He likes to watch.

    Third, it isn’t the right that needs to diffuse the handling of the the photos.

  54. Tex, remind me again why you dismiss solar? I think you said something about solar panels being expensive to produce and being made of rare metals?

    Solar panels are great for small applications, but don’t generate a great deal of thermal energy in comparison to other alternatives Rutherford. Unless the technology has changed, they use rare metals like silver in production and are expensive to purchase – in fact, the prices are going up, not down as economies of scale are offset by the prices in raw materials of production.

    In addition, the manufacturing process of photo voltaic cells is a major polluter (take that greenies). They aren’t terribly dependable, they are subject to wear and erosion, susceptible to weather and conditions, storms, etc…

    I’m not saying don’t pursue the technology. I’m saying solar, at least in the short term, is not a feasible alternative for replacement of any of our current choices.

    Give you an example.

    A friend of mine put 12 voltaic cells on the top of his house. Each one of those is rated at about 200 watts, or a total of 2,400 watts available. These are estimates, but I’m close. The price was something like $20K, a pretty hefty initial investment. But forgetting the price for a minute, let’s talk about practicality.

    If you go out to your house and look at your circuit breaker panel, you’ll probably see several 20Amp circuits which is standard on most new housing. That probably runs a few lamps, maybe the plugs in your bathroom, etc…

    All of those panels on the top of his house amount to one 20Amp circuit. That’s it. One circuit, $20,000 investment after subsidy. Sound like something you would invest in? Might save him $25 a month in electric, and he’s had some problems with dependability and their is a cost of maintenance.

    Hope that provides a practical example of why I think solar panel a pipe dream for replacement the coal plants. If it were 10 times cheaper than it is now, I still wouldn’t make the investment for my own house.

    And to be honest with you, do you want 12 reflecting panels on the top of your home? It’s not particularly attractive, and I’m not sure what happens when they are covered by snow.

  55. I understand the CNN and Reuter’s press were used as human shields to prevent K. Daffy’s compound from being blown to hell by the Brits? 😆

    I know. I shouldn’t laugh. But I can’t help but think if I were on the decision committee, the thought wouldn’t have crossed my mind, “The Press is there? Who? Okay. So What? Drop the damn bombs and we”ll worry about the news coverage later…” 😉

  56. Rutherford, you and I do agree (I think I read you say somewhere) that if our mission isn’t to either kill or remove K. Daffy, then neither of us really on board?

    Trump asked an interesting question last night that I found very valid. Why aren’t the oil ticks in the Middle East paying for this? I would have made that one of the stipulations of us establishing a no-fly zone. We’ll shoot the missiles, but you’re paying for the missile and the launch.

  57. One observation Mr. Rutherford. Have you noticed the last twelve months have made it virtually impossible for the Left to still criticize Bush from a distance, while giving President Tourist a pass? 🙂

    Funny how what goes around, comes around works, isn’t it? Economy in disarray, war, debt, environmental screw ups, political routs, cries of needless torture, war and death, even criticism of the golf outings? It’s so much easier to simply sit back and criticize, waiting for the next election with glee.

    And assuming for the moment these imbeciles are standing over Afghan citizens “for the kill”, I will assume you’ll be as outraged over Abu Obama and demanding President Tourist’s impeachment as CiC like you did for Bush during Abu Ghraib proceedings? Perhaps even demanding Obama be put on trial as a war criminal at the Hague (that sent a tingle up my leg)?

    I know the NYSlimes was so adamant about the horror of Abu Ghraib, they ran the story front page for 44 straight days.

    Anyone taking bets that the NYT doesn’t do the same “justice” concerning coverage about Abu Obama?

  58. We spent at least 100 million over the weekend on this Libyan farce. Anyone care to keep bitching about NPR? Now if we take out Gadaffi, maybe, just maybe money well spent … but then who replaces him? If I understand correctly, Al Quada is on our side on this one. Ewwwwwwwwwww.

    There is only one thing I like about Trump politically and that is his pocket book sense. Now let’s not forget the man has been to hell and back financially several times. He’s no financial genius. But I like how he approaches foreign policy from a dollars and cents POV. He hates China for purely economic reasons.

  59. OBAMA WORKERS UNITE! 😆 Wizard, were you there? This is your kind of crowd and covers the bases. Note the date yesterday.

  60. Tex, forget for the moment the Afghan corpse trophies. How about Bradley Manning being held in solitary naked most of the time? Try him, convict him, and hang him. But don’t treat him like an animal.

    So in answer to 80 … the more things change, the more they stay the same. 😉

    P.S. From what I understand, Dennis Kucinich is calling for Obama’s impeachment for going to war with Libya without congressional thumbs up. So Obama isn’t entirely getting a pass from liberals.

  61. 200 million “R”. Each one of those cruise missiles is a cool $1.5M. 😡

    Trump is mostly a joke, but I got to admit that his question is very valid. I’d send the bill to the Sauds to start with, with daily interest accumulating. 😉

  62. Tex, forget for the moment the Afghan corpse trophies. How about Bradley Manning being held in solitary naked most of the time? Try him, convict him, and hang him. But don’t treat him like an animal.

    I don’t have a problem with that – especially the hanging part. And do it on the civic square, followed by a first class bonfire.

    A better punishment might be to send the little bastard back to Oklahoma, where we deal with scumbags like that in a special way. A rope, some cactus amongst some good gravel, a fast horse, and a strong plastic tie for the wrists.

  63. Kucinich probably still thinks Presidents are abducted by UFOs. That man is certifiably loco.

    Even a blind squirrel will find an occasional nut. 😈

    I’m still think Shrillary is going to insert her thunderous thighs into a run for the Presidency again one of these days, contrary to her claims.

    At the check out claim last night, I saw where one of those paper rags in the reading bins was headlined with Chelsea’s husband already ran out on her. 😈

    I thought to myself, why on earth would anybody subject themselves or their family to our press corp as a politician? You’ve got to have a few screws to even enter politics anymore.

  64. Meet the new boss:

    MARCH 19, 2011
    OBAMA: ‘Today we are part of a broad coalition. We are answering the calls of a threatened people. And we are acting in the interests of the United States and the world’…

    MARCH 19, 2003
    BUSH: ‘American and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm Iraq, to free its people and to defend the world from grave danger’…

  65. For anyone who think Odyssey Dawn is a weird ass name for this mission, I have an interesting article on the practice of naming military exercises. This article found by the Research Department of the Rutherford Lawson Blog (my wife) has some history and gets really interesting starting on page 18 with some more current practices. As I said on yesterday’s show, based on the nonsense of Odyssey Dawn, we should name the next one Operation Peanut Butter Sandwich. 🙂

    http://timeswampland.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/the-art-of-naming-operations.pdf

    Accompanying article which includes the link to the PDF.

  66. “We spent at least 100 million over the weekend on this Libyan farce. Anyone care to keep bitching about NPR?”

    There is a huge difference between these 2 things.

    Congress only decided on 1 of them…

  67. The point is that if you want to complain about what Obama spends without congressional approval then don’t complain about what congress cuts with congressional approval, because they are 2 different things.

  68. I remember as a reward for being a good class when I was earning my rate, we were treated to a slide show of our class leader’s “trophies” from the first Gulf War.

    My class leader was a grounded helicopter pilot (I think back then enlisted could fly helicopters in the Navy).

    His favorite pic was the one showing Iraqi POVs eating pork. He also duck taped there beards and took photos of him ripping them off.

    Now mind you, this was practically a sanctioned event. Our entire chain of command at that school sat there chuckling.

    I saw Polaroids of charred Iraqis who were hand cuffed to tanks (so they wouldn’t run a way).

    I also remember a corpse with a perfect circle hole in his carcass.

    I’m not saying its right posing by dead bodies, but the internet sure knows how to create a shit storm.

    My granpappy kept a jar of Jap ears behind his bar. Now that’s fucked up.

  69. My granpappy kept a jar of Jap ears behind his bar. Now that’s fucked up.

    ** GUFFAW **

    Sounds like something out of Full Metal Jacket (the movie).

    I think how could anybody do shit like that, and then I consider George Patton’s speech about your best friends face turned to goo.

    And I think not only could I do it, I probably would do it to somebody trying to kill me, my family, my friends, a member of my unit.

  70. “We spent at least 100 million over the weekend on this Libyan farce. Anyone care to keep bitching about NPR?”

    Now that you mention it, yeah I do have a bitch about NPR and their parent company funding.

    That’s another 300 Tomahawk cruise missiles we could use, and we get a hell of a lot more “bang” for our buck with 300 cruise missiles than we do we NPR.

    Thanks for bringing that up “R”. I’ll use that as another example of better use for funds.

  71. I blew my ankle out playing basketball this morning. It feels like tooth ache in my ankle. Its not broken but my tendons are jacked. They want me in an air cast.

    Everytime we move, I get injured about a week before. Not to mention softball starts soon.

    Rrrrrrrrrr!

  72. If you’re 50 like I am, and blow the tibio-fibular ligament like I did a year a half ago with my dog chasing me (man, I miss him), you’ll hurt for the rest of your life. 😉

  73. So, anyone find out what the point is of our new war?

    I’m serious. I don’t get it.

    Rabbit is a jingoistic motherfucker and I’m itching to chant U-S-A U-S-A!

    But, come on Obama. Give something.

    Running off to Brazil was weird.

    Running off to Brazil without even giving us one objective is weirder.

    All I heard today is the goal is not regime change.

    Ok.

    I guess the goal of the Lybian War also has nothing to do with the NFL lock out as well.

    Do you think Obama can just keep telling us all the reasons we are NOT fighting the war?

    I’m not being sarcastic. Hucking, Rutherford, anyone…what are we trying to do?

    I can live with a war without Congress to some extent. But a war without Congress OR an objective?

    How can Obama look at us with a straight face and say we are not in it for regime change?

    Dude. This is messed up. What a nightmare this coward president is.

    Too much of a sissy to be straight up with America.

    Is it possible that President Present, has been pushed into a war he didn’t want?

    This is what happens when you render America as just another run of the mill nation. Shittyness by committee

  74. Oh yeah, 7 days ago President Present looked at us all and said we are not doing a no fly zone.

    Defending Obama is impossible.

    However, challenging is foreign policy is tough too. How do you challenge nothing?

  75. Lie after lie after lie….

    “Hucking, Rutherford, anyone…what are we trying to do? ”

    This is nothing more than a typical Obama reaction to domestic screeches. It wasn’t until everyone here was calling Obama a pussy because the French were taking a stronger role that he went from Ghandi to cowboy.

    So to answer what are we trying to do? We are trying to show that Barack Obama is not a pussy. Nothing more. Absolutely nothing.

  76. I think the GOP message in 2012 should be that we don’t want 4 more years of Bush policies.

    “Vote for real change…”

  77. It wasn’t until everyone here was calling Obama a pussy because the French were taking a stronger role that he went from Ghandi to cowboy.

    😆 Another classic. Ghandi Obama! Dusty Obama!

    I laugh with reservation. Two years ago, I would have interpreted that as a slap at Obama. Now I know, it’s the gospel truth and an honest assessment of the man’s chameleon nature. I’ll bet Obama can stare 90 degrees sideways opposing directions simultaneously – not in mixed company, of course.

  78. It feels like tooth ache in my ankle

    That is one weird ass way to describe pain dude. So if someone hits you in the mouth, do you say it feels like a sprained ankle in your mouth?

    I think I may have to be stoned to get my head around that one Rabbit. 😀

  79. I wonder if Obama was betting on Russia or China shooting down the UN Resolution?

    And, after they abstained, he then didn’t have the balls to stand up to the UN.

    How sad if true.

    Every now and then I have these “holy shit” moments where I realize the entire Middle East is unraveling.

    Iran is unchecked.

    North Korea seems to be more belligerent then ever.

    The Mexican border is post- apocalyptic.

    The people of Tokyo are about to be radiated.

    Obama has NOTHING to show for the trillions.

    Its like one of those futuristic sci-fi movies where everything is fucked up. For effect, this movie shows brief news clips in the background.

    Except, its not a movie. Its my living room.

    I’m convinced Obama has destabilized the world in two ways.

    1. He and his corrupt banking buddies are printing to the point of crippling the 3rd World.

    The Fed has usurped Congress’ power of the purse and the 3rd world are paying for it today. We will pay a couple years down the road.

    Mainstream conservatives must acknowledge that the market is no longer free. Audit the Fed. Audit the Fed. Audit the Fed.

    Some how conservatives have let the ideology of free market economics become confused with not questioning the market.

    2. His foreign policy based on a lack of American exceptionalism is creating a geopolitical vacuum. Hence the wars and rumors of wars.

  80. “I think I may have to be stoned to get my head around that one Rabbit.”-R

    Come on over to Michigan. Ever since our cluster-fuck, nonsensical, medicinal marijuana laws have been on the books, (still federally illegal while carrying the potential for a very stiff jail sentence by the state unless you pay 300 bucks after going through the motions with a silly weed doctor) we have awesome ganja.

    One good thing is that the Mexican brick weed soiled by the blood of innocents is gone. In its place is gooey high grade hydro grown in some eccentric horticulturalist’s basement. I know dudes making 60 grand a year on the side in the biz. The weed shops are like fine wine stores, now.

    I don’t smoke the shit, but I’d make an exception for you R. I’d roll up some Blueberry Cough/Northern Lights hybrid in a heart beat. Nothing but laugh attacks and rock n roll maaaaan.

    No smoking out of your tracheotomy though, that would blow my mind.

  81. I’ve been watching TV the past 2 days for a change. Actually watched “The Shooter” on TBS yesterday. Amazing how we can do these movies but nobody thinks this stuff is real life. Where do you think they get the scripts? Crazy stuff.

    Anyway, as for Libya, I have to stand behind Obama on this one. He waited for the UN resolution and let the French lead. No cowboy mentality and gung ho smoke out every terror cell bullshit. I think it’s cool he got all the dems and repubs in a tizzy. I’m usually okay with Kucinich, but this time I thumb my nose at him. These guys are just attention junkies and self-absorbed. Go Bama!

    This country is like one big-assed commercial. Man, there is a lot of shit on the tube. It is like some crazy psychedelic drug. Between the Fox and MSNBC shows and commercials, it’s like taking a vacation from reality. Those animated shows on Fox are a gas! Take a trip and never leave the farm…

    Rabbit, we got the same marijuana stuff going on down here in Arizona. I know a few that are on line for growing and opening shops. It’s big business. All that Mexican dirtweed has gone away. Now we got these sophisticated named sticky chrystaline high potent bud stuff. Orange tush and the like. It’s a whole new level, maaaan. I feel like going and getting all medicated sometimes. 😎

  82. Orange cush, not tush. 😳 Must be sex on the brain. Always happens when I think of those old hippie days. 😉

  83. But the French are not leading, we are.

    And the veto members who abstained are now saying they want everyone to chill. Just like the Arab League who unanimously asked for it.

    Do you not see the diplomatic manipulation that has gone on here?

    We’ve been talked into someone’s civil war by powers who didn’t want anything but to be presented with an opportunity to tell us yet again to put down our weapons and play nice with the world while we do the messy work they want us to do.

    This whole thing is win-win for China, Russia and the Arab states (except Libya) and lose-lose for us.

  84. So let me see if I can figure out the Wizard’s comment. I know most of you pay him no heed anymore, but his logic is so convoluted, I find it like a cross word puzzle.

    Anyway, as for Libya, I have to stand behind Obama on this one. He waited for the UN resolution and let the French lead. No cowboy mentality and gung ho smoke out every terror cell bullshit.

    So Bush is a bullshit Cowboy who did get U.S. Congressional approval to move on Iraq, but Obama is a white hat and real leader, who didn’t get approval on bombing Libya? Got it. No double standard there. :More profound logic from the Wizard. roll:

    By the way, you say the French are leading? How? Who exactly is in control and what is our objective? If you know, let the generals know, because they are getting mixed messages from your U.N. approved hero.

    I didn’t see any French Tomahawks, did you?

  85. I always find it refreshing to find an article that more than proves and beautifully documents what a lying POS Obama was during the 2008 campaign, how inconsistent and duplicitous his character, and to once again demonstrate how much of a hypocrite rubes like the Grand Wizard of Phoenix really are….

    Rutherford, you make the attempt on occasion to think critically – you can even be fair. The Wizard is hopeless incompetent, dumb and dishonest in every capacity.

    http://www.verumserum.com/?p=22788

  86. Word is that Qaddafi forces razed a mosque in their fight against the rebels.

    The article makes no bones about the mosque being used as a rebel command center.

    Why is nobody asking why a religious building is being used as a military command center?

    Why is nobody seeing a connection between the rebels and the types of people who use mosques as military command centers?

    Are we sure we want to help these folks? Who are they? What do they stand for? What do we know about them?

    Woulda been nice to know those things before we started helping them.

  87. I need to make it clear that I am in no way a supporter of Qaddafi. I have no problem with him being removed from power and Libyans being free to live however they want.

    But I am not so sure about these rebels quite yet.

  88. So Bush is a bullshit Cowboy who did get U.S. Congressional approval to move on Iraq, but Obama is a white hat and real leader, who didn’t get approval on bombing Libya? Got it. No double standard there. :More profound logic from the Wizard.

    Yeah, lying to congress with cooked intelligence vs letting the UN make a decision based on real facts and honest intelligence.

    By the way, you say the French are leading? How? Who exactly is in control and what is our objective? If you know, let the generals know, because they are getting mixed messages from your U.N. approved hero.

    I didn’t see any French Tomahawks, did you?

    This is what Israel is saying. The French air force fired the first shot Saturday, destroying Libyan tanks and armored vehicles in a UN-mandated military intervention to protect civilians from attacks by Gaddafi’s forces

  89. The Grand Wizard of Phoenix Has Spoken! The U.N. is the highest power! 😈 Libya is the dirty JOOOOS Fault!

    I kind of picture Poolman being a poor man’s K. Daffy.

  90. Huck, I’m with you on this one. Though I supported the No Fly Zone initially and still want K. Daffy terminated, the more I learn about these “rebels”, the more I’m wondering about the quality of the people we’re supposedly saving.

    Dennis Kucinich burns the Feckless President with his own words:

    “The president does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.” – Sen. Barack Obama December 20, 2007.

    I know why Grand Wizard is in support of Obama – Rev. Wright Syndrome and a shared hatred of Israel. But I’m surprise the route Obama took on this one. Obama’s hand is looking really weak now.

  91. Gorilla,

    After hearing that, I’ve decided to conduct my own campaign: Public War on Public Unions.

    So here is my proposal.

    Let’s start a movement to privatize every job in which there is a public union. We’ll put the suggestion to a vote on the state ballots. If we win, the first objective will be to fire every public union employee, with a third party composed of each state’s citizens to reevaluate public union positions: necessary or unnecessary?

    Protest works both ways.

    If public unions want to follow the Cloward-Piven strategy (as stated here for the record), I suggest we, their adversaries, conduct a campaign to make sure every America citizen know exactly who and what the Cloward-Piven strategy is, and then conduct a General Sherman strategy of marching them into the sea. 😉

  92. “This is what Israel is saying.”

    And this is what Bloomberg is saying…

    “Norway and Italy said their participation in air operations over Libya depends on settling who will command the mission, as members of the coalition split over what role to assign to NATO.

    The U.K. and Italy want the North Atlantic Treaty Organization to take over the leadership of military operations in Libya, a step resisted by France. Norway is demanding clarity. The U.S., which is now running the missions, says it will turn over the command role in days. ”

    And this is what Barack Obama is saying…

    “President Barack Obama, speaking in Santiago, Chile, yesterday said the U.S. would hand off its leadership role “in a matter of days, not a matter of weeks.”

    Firing the first shots is not taking a lead.

    “Yeah, lying to congress with cooked intelligence vs letting the UN make a decision based on real facts and honest intelligence.”

    Any chance that even 1 of my questions can be answered by your so-called “real facts and honest intelligence”?

    What exactly are the facts, Poolman?

    “Left unaddressed, the growing instability in Libya could ignite wider instability in the Middle East, with dangerous consequences to the national security interests of the United States.”

    Is that a fact? Is it backed up by honest intelligence?

  93. Barack Obama has now created a threat by Libya where there previously was none.

    When Libya is sending out terrorist squads, blowing shit up around the western world, the blood of Americans will be on Obama’s hands.

  94. When Libya is sending out terrorist squads, blowing shit up around the western world, the blood of Americans will be on Obama’s hands.

    I would like to have thought our “strong” leaders considered this obvious fact in formulating the game plan, but I have learned the last two years, the only fail safe assumption about the Obama regime is to assume the absolute worst case – in this case, nobody even gave a thought to it. Lockerbie Redux….

  95. I may have been wrong on Egypt, but I have been dead on so far on Libya.

    I said buzzing Gaddaffi with US jets would not scare him off. We have actually bombed his residence, and he didn’t run off.

    I said flying jets over Libya was dangerous and had potential for pilots to get shot down. We saw that today.

    I said any time we shoot from the air to the ground there is potential for civilian casualties. Depending on who we believe, that has already happened.

    All in less than 1 week….

    What would have happened had those pilots gone down in an area the rebels don’t control? Would we have gone in after them, putting boots on the ground. Or would we have told them, “sorry guys. we said no boots on the ground so sucks to be you…”?

    I said all along our involvement was bad news waiting to happen. I stand by that.

  96. “Previously no threat to who?”

    The United States and its citizens worldwide. Did I really need to clarify that? Isn’t that the reason we send people to war?

    “Who do you consider Lybia – the people or Gaddafi? ”

    Currently, the recognized government of Libya is run by Gaddafi. And in case you haven’t noticed, there are more than a few Libyans who support him. Maybe you can provide some of those facts based on honest intelligence to tell us the actual numbers? How about estimates?

    Do you deny that Libya has both threatened, and carried out its threats against the United States and Western World? Or was that all a Jew conspiracy, too?

  97. You’re right, Poolman. Having your combat aircraft forced out of the sky by mechanical failure during a combat mission is not dangerous.

    I stand corrected.

    “We should have acted a month ago when they first asked and before giving Gaddafi the upper hand.”

    Of course, a month ago we didn’t have that international support that you found so important just 20 comments ago, so how about you make up your mind?

  98. Poolman, isn’t that news story just another Jew lie to suggest that barbaric, uncivilized Muslims are incapable of shooting down an aircraft?

  99. Poolman, you recently asserted that the CiC is not really in charge of this country. This week you seem to think Obama is in charge.

    What has changed between then and now?

  100. So we’ve resurrected the Robert McNamara strategy? That’s great. It sure served us well in 1967. Why not now, hey? 😐

    One thing Huck in my defense. When I said buzzing K. Daffy’s house might prove a deterrent, that was before the civil unrest in LIbya had really broken out. Once K. Daffy found himself challenged and emboldened and started slaughtering his own countrymen in retaliation, all bets were off.

    K. Daffy has no choice now but to fight back, because it’s his ass either way. I thought we had blown his primary residence to hell, but I could be wrong. So he’s hiding like the cowardly Saddam.

    I still think K. Daffy will be forced from power before this is through, either somebody will assassinate him, or we will be forced to go get him (and rest assured, there won’t be many Frenchmen with us), which would quickly escalate to Obama’s Iraq without any Congressional approval – and the Left will grow strangely silent. Either Obama looks the coward, the killer, or the inept bohunk. Of course, many of us here had already known that last fact.

    Call it poetic justice for El Bongo’s lying and treachery during the Iraq War and during the last Pres. campaign. Divine payback… 😉

  101. Huck,

    Firstly. The plane was not shot out of the sky. At least that is not what is being reported. These planes crash periodically, so anytime they take to the sky it is dangerous. It just comes with the territory. Ask McCain about it. Often they crash here in the states. Last year an F-22 crashed near Edwards AFB, killing the pilot. Several years ago one crashed into a house killing residents. Over 400 have crashed in the SW since WWII.

    Second, there are plenty of Libyans that oppose Gaddafi. Most that support him are paid to. Then you have all the corporate interests that have profitted from the relationship. Since we made “friends” with him, money talks. Bechtel, the Livingston Group, BP, Exxon-Mobil, Chevron, and Halliburton among others, prove that green (greed) overshadows human rights. So, of course you have Rand Paul among others that don’t want to see those capitalist ventures disappear. Some of the nations opposing our involvement in Libya are Brazil, China, India, Germany, and Russia. Even Chavez is against it. GI would generally be opposed to anything Chavez is for. Strange bedfellows indeed.

    Third, regarding 130, I don’t discount any army from being able to destroy another’s weapons of war, no matter what their nationality or religion. There are plenty in this world that are willing to supply armies/rebels/terrorists/freedom fighters with weaponry for a price. Hell, we are in that business ourselves. Ask any CIA agent. Saudi Arabia, anyone?

    Fourth, I don’t hate Jews. I oppose Zionism. Zionism is the same as racism. It has nothing to do with religion. Zionism isn’t even as old as this nation is. I think Obama is slowly and covertly confronting Zionism for the evil that it is. Zionists presently control our country. There is an internal battle to take back our republic from the Zionists. I see this latest move by Obama as a win against Zionism, though only a small move in the right direction. Of course, while the world is watching Libya, the people of Gaza are still being terrorized daily. So there is a long road ahead to get anywhere close to justice.

  102. Re: Comment 116

    Believe it or not, outside of the redistribution of wealth angle, you hear the same stuff in that video as you hear out of the Libertarian wing of the Tea Party.

    This is the kind of stuff that happens when government involves itself in picking and choosing who fails.

    The banks have no moral authority to stand on ever since TARP went into effect.

    Somebody needs to tell that socialist thug no take a deep breath and relax. If he wants to disrupt the market, he should legally and simply take all union dues and buy silver or gold.

    But he thinks there is “money” out there somewhere to be swindled. As if the government isn’t broke. What money, Fed paper? What a fool. He needs to wake up and realize his socialist utopia is already here! If the fed can manipulate prices and currency at a key stroke, don’t we already have his command economy he lusts after so much?

  103. Huck, my comment 133 is in moderation. Too many links, I guess.

    Here is what started the call for help from Libya a month ago:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12517327

    These were likely perpetrated by the 50,000 mercenaries brought in by Israel to help Gaddafi against the protesters. These are not Libyans killing their own. These killers were shooting the people attending funerals. They were head and heart shots. Assassinations.

  104. Rutherford

    I want to personally apologize.

    Somehow I was enough of an interest with my big mouth insults to the hags, nags, harpies, shrews and skanks – the regulars that frequent the Fat Grannies’ board, that this goose stepper followed me over to pollute your blog with Neo Nazi propaganda, links to white supremacist sites, and profoundly moronic statements like this provided by the one and only Grand Wizard Al-Poolman.

    These were likely perpetrated by the 50,000 mercenaries brought in by Israel to help Gaddafi against the protesters.

    Who knew that the Israeli Jews had 2% of their male population ready and waiting to assist K. Daffy reign havoc?

  105. “These were likely perpetrated by the 50 ,000 mercenaries brought in by Israel to help Gaddafi against the protesters.”-poolman

    It would almost be funny if you weren’t serious.

    Your shit is so fucking stupid, I sometimes can’t help but point it out.

    Why would Israel be needed to “help” Count Duku hire mercenaries?

    Its a documented fact that he has long been involved in destabilizing Chad. No other country is involved in Chad’s affairs more then Lybia.

    Let’s pretend your evil Israel exists and they are cool with attacks on mourners.

    Why in the fuck would Quadaffy need Israel’s help to consolidate a mercenary army from Chad?

    Quadaffy’s already pulling many of the strings in Chad and is flush with billions of dollars.

    Dude, your shit is so stupid it doesn’t even fly when I accept your outrageous premises.

  106. Okay Wizard, you’ve finally stroked my curiosity enough to have to ask…and perhaps figure out your purpose for being here.

    I get it you hate capitalism, believe Jews are responsible for the financial ills, that Wall Street crooked, that Conservatives the enemy, and are loosely defined as a statist. I get it you pretty much hate America and think it Imperialist and evil, never having anything positive to say. I get it, that no matter how you would like to label yourself with your Sermon on the Mount routine, you are not what you appear to be. I absolutely get it that you and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad share a common bond of your collective wish to exterminate Israel. I get all that.

    But here’s what I don’t get.

    What is the end game that you socialists, communists, ‘liberal”ists’, sharia”ists”, and jihadists, bound together with a common hatred of Israel and America wish to achieve?

    If you are capable of destroying America and exterminating Israel, to remake America and molded in your own image, do you have any idea of what you would like it to look like when completed?

  107. Hucking,

    It appears I stand corrected about your prediction about this administration claiming a NATO force to be a significantly different animal then an American force.

    As a former NATO serviceman, there was once a day when it would be laughable to claim NATO to be distinct from American power.

    Perhaps I’m blinded from the old Cold War paradigm.

    Of course, they are still squabbling who will take command. I guess nobody told our cowardly dunce of a president that we probably should have had this shit figured out from the start.

    Then again, we still don’t even know what are objective is in the first place. And no, naming the UN Resolution number isn’t a an objective.

  108. Well Wizard (snicker)

    You didn’t stipulate “African mercenaries” but you did specifically state ISRAEL responsible for the 50,000 mercenaries, so are we now to read that micro mind of yours while you attempt the predictable Jew baiting?

    I did read from your link that K. Daffy was paying for the mercenaries. That wouldn’t surprise me. So how did you link Israel to K. Daffy & his miserable sons again? K. Daffy has been excoriating Jews for 40 years.

    I’m just dying to hear your “theory” and see your proof.

    Comedy gold.

  109. Man, you’re dense with your blind loyalty.

    Not nearly as dense as you and your Klan brothers thinking yourself saved…

  110. “The people who claim to be feminist and pro-gay” — i.e., Rutherford, Wizard, Graychin, Dingbat Dawg — oppose the one country in the Middle East that does not subjugate women and persecute gays.

    What does that tell you?”

    Plenty.

  111. Tex, its one of the most mystifying aspects of the left.

    The only sense I can make of it is that they are swayed by an irrational hatred of America and Western culture that trumps everything, even gay rights and feminism.

    The other thing that baffles me about the left is abortion. You would think a movement that claims to fight for the powerless, would by default fight day and night to make sure the most defenseless of human beings are not slaughtered by the millions. Abortion is inexplicably way too partisan of an issue.

    Again, I ascribe this to irrational hate. If most of Christian denominations didn’t regard babies in the womb as the most innocent of human beings, I’m willing to bet there would be more pro-life movements on the left. Christianity, after all, is regarded as Western.

  112. Regarding 111 — “I left a “special” comment. ” – Tex

    There are over 1000 comments. Either e-mail it to me or post it here … I’m eager to see what you said. I didn’t read the entire list yet but so far I’m not surprised. Finding any alternative short of self-employment has proven tremendously frustrating. 😦

  113. I don’t remember it exactly and would have to paraphrase it. It was fairly biting I thought and had those who read it and actually worked in HR babbling like Fat Grannies’ minions. Think of a dozen Al-Poolman Wizards speaking in tongues about Zion. 🙂 Problem is, my comment ended up being about #425, so there is no way to view it.

    Something about incompetence, unnecessary, detrimental, worthless, pretentious, executive lackeys, and evil. It got the crowd riled up and they really went off on the HR ilk.

    I never realized how many people literally hate HR employees. I thought I was kind of rare – apparently not.

    But those suggestion, at least some of them, were so outrageous, that the assholes contained in that list deserved to be called out by name. I hope the assholes read that and learn a lesson. I doubt it.

  114. Rabbit, I don’t put Rutherford in the category saying this, as there are two flavors of Libs. Standard arrogant liberal and generally educated, mostly amoral and self-righteous (think Graychin and Fake).

    Then there is the more common Lib who is the completely self-absorbed, American hating, reactionary, socialist or communist, moronic loser moonbats like the Fat Grannies crowd or Yeller Dawg.

    There adamant standing of abortion on demand is like their irrational hatred of Israel – the only “liberal” country in the region. There is no rational explanation but hate.

    They have two traits: They absolutely hate the Christian religion; they’re are crazed, rabid animals, whose worship consists of scanning the “wholly” writ of the New York Times, KKKos and the Huffington Post.

    And I have no good explanation that doesn’t extend into the theological. I honestly think Satan is their spiritual leader.

    I consider those types the enemy of America.

  115. Shit. Their adamant standing…and I would add the enemy of humanity. They need to be knocked down, and either change or be destroyed.

  116. I said flying jets over Libya was dangerous and had potential for pilots to get shot down. We saw that today.

    Ehhhh, wrong. The F15 or whatever it was went down due to mechanical failure. It was not shot down.

  117. I think I can discern at least one difference between Poolman and myself. I do not believe that Israel is always right (as is the USA party line). Poolman believes they are always wrong.

    My guess is that Poolman, not really an antisemite, has objected to the establishment of Israel from the very beginning in 1948 and hence, nothing that comes from that can be any good. I’m only guessing.

  118. And as I alluded to, Rutherford. That it didn’t get shot down didn’t make it’s downing any less dangerous. Which was the point of the comment when I made it weeks ago, just as it was when I made it yesterday.

  119. My guess is that Poolman, not really an antisemite, has objected to the establishment of Israel from the very beginning in 1948 and hence, nothing that comes from that can be any good.

    I’m still forming my opinion after years of blindly supporting anything Israel. I think I’m good with most of the nation of Israel until 1967. The Zionists, however, different story.

  120. I think I’m good with most of the nation of Israel until 1967.
    I didn’t really want in on this but I was finally moved by that statement.
    You cannot accept Israeli sovereignty of 1948-67 and then not accept it after that. I mean you can but you’re on false ground, a lie or at best a grand denial of reality. As for the Zionist angle much the same applies since it gets to be real chicken or the egg type stuff.

  121. Alfie,

    as I stated, this is an opinion in flux. However the 6 day war in 67 is when they aggressively began to expand territory beyond the borders of what the UN sactified, if I understand history correctly. They gave most back, but have systematically been removing the Palestinians since. This is also when Israel attacked and tried to sink the USS Liberty, an intelligence gathering vessel sent to monitor the conflict. The Liberty incident, BTW, an act we never have challenged them for and pretty much try to keep swept under a rug.

    From what I gather, the tension began in the sixties when Israel began to pump water out of the Sea of Galilee to irrigate farm land. That is when the PLO was formed with the intent to destroy Israel

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