A Modest Proposal: White History Month

Since we are in the midst of Black History Month, I thought it might be a good time to remember the words of actor Morgan Freeman on the subject and then suggest an equally offensive alternative.

The definitive statement on Black History Month was uttered by Morgan Freeman in an interview with Mike Wallace on the CBS news magazine “60 Minutes”. In the video, Morgan asks Mike why blacks should be singled out for this distinction. Why should black history be relegated to a month? Isn’t black history American history?

In another hat tip to Jonathan Swift, I have a modest proposal to present: an alternative to Black History Month, namely White History Month. But this is a very special view of White History. I propose that each February, every day one of 28 illustrious examples of White History be taught in schools complete with after school TV specials and NBC “The more you know” TV ads. Here would be some examples:

  • 1619 First Africans to be kidnapped and sold into indentured servitude by white people.
  • 1705 Slavery formally legislated in Virginia by white people.
  • 1865 White supremacist group, the Ku Klux Klan is formed.
  • 1896 All white Supreme Court rules that segregation is cool in Plessy v. Ferguson.
  • 1963 White Alabama Governor George Wallace stands at the entrance to the University of Alabama to block admission of two black students.
  • 1968 White fella James Earl Ray kills nonviolent civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr.

And the list goes on. Then as a special treat, every four years on February 29 we celebrate white achievements in film and TV such as the white writers who created such characters as Amos and Andy, Stepin Fetchit, Buckwheat and Fred Sanford.

The greatest benefit of this celebration of white history is that no longer do we need to have conservatives label blacks and liberal whites “race baiters” who “play the race card”. All that pent-up grievance-based anger can be vented in one month instead of being spread across the year. Then for the other eleven months we can just treat people as people and forget about race. We can use February to get it out of our system.

Well, I don’t suppose this solution is what Morgan Freeman had in mind either. Perhaps the time has come for African-Americans and Polish-Americans and Italian-Americans to drop the longing for the homeland and just become Americans. Regardless of how we got here, we’re all stuck here together and we’ve got big problems to solve.

The history of the melting pot includes us all. Every month that inclusive history should be taught and either celebrated or used as an object lesson for what to avoid in the future.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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254 thoughts on “A Modest Proposal: White History Month

  1. I’ve got a great list for White History month showing our “progress” due to America’s legacy of slavery.

    1964 – Helicopter views of the Watts riots.

    1967 – The documentary of hundreds of shiftless, onion booty welfare queens in line at the grocery store, food stamps in hand, illegitimate baby in the other, to purchase a case of Colt 45 for the shack up. Special viewing from the Southside Assisted High Rise ghettoes.

    1985 – The discovery of “crack” cocaine.

    1987 – Tawana Brawley charges four cops with rape, and the Reverrrrrend Al Sharpton intervenes (recommended).

    1989 – Release of the smash album Nasty as They Wanna Be” featuring the smash hit “Me So Horny” by the incomparable 2 Live Crew (mature audiences).

    1991 – The Crown Heights Riots with Reverrrrrend Al Sharpton inciting a riot and Hisadic Jews being killed. Special guest – Mumia Abu-Jamal.

    1992 – The “Rodney King’ riots, with a special interview from the brain damaged Reginald Denny.

    1993 – The ‘Bloods’ are formed.

    1995 – O.J. found ‘innocent.’

    1998 – the Reverrrrend Jesse Jackson being Slick Willy Clinton’s spiritual mentor counseling about adultery, while committing adultery and having a ‘love child’ paid for by donated funds of The Rainbow Coalition.

    2009 – Study released showing 74% of “African-American” children are now born out of wedlock.

    2011 – Interviews with the general prison population imprisoned for violent crime – complete with disproportionate statistical studies by race.

    But then I started thinking? Why go through this trouble and expense? We could simply play the previous releases of the Won’s spiritual adviser, Reverrrrend Jeremiah Wright Gawd Damn America CD collection. 😯

    But you ended well, and I agree. Remember, I’m the one that refuses to use “African-American” “Italian-American” “Mexican-American” unless some special circumstance calls for it.

    If nothing if not politically incorrect. And I am proud I’m an equal opportunity race disser.

  2. More Success! He is the one we’ve been waiting for!

    Relations between Argentina and the U.S. have deteriorated rapidly since U.S. President Barack Obama said in January that he would visit El Salvador, Brazil and Chile next month, skipping Argentina.

    Argentine officials reportedly considered Mr. Obama’s decision an affront, especially after Argentine President Cristina Fernandez in December blocked a bid by some South American nations to formally condemn U.S. policy amid the WikiLeaks diplomatic cables scandal.

    Part of restoring America’s good name all across the globe. 😉

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703584804576144450144733380.html?KEYWORDS=argentina

  3. Your history is leaving out some important details, Rutherford. Please allow me to supplement….

    “1619 First Africans to be kidnapped [by fellow Africans] and sold into indentured servitude by white people.”

    “1865 White supremacist group, the Ku Klux Klan is formed [as the militant arm of the Democratic party].”

    “1963 White Alabama Governor George Wallace [(D)] stands at the entrance to the University of Alabama to block admission of two black students.”

    “The history of the melting pot includes us all. Every month that inclusive history should be taught and either celebrated or used as an object lesson for what to avoid in the future.”

    That last one doesn’t need revision. Morgan Freeman is right, black history is part of American history. Nothing more really needs to be said.

    So I won’t…..

  4. What possessed you to write this racist screed, I have no idea.

    Blacks are still selling blacks in slavery markets all over Africa.

    You know, part of me wanted to completely blast you for this horrid piece, but then I thought to myself, “what a wonderful example of the stupidity of the left.” You think you’re special because you are black, and that specialness includes the RIGHT to be racist while simultaneously calling others- who have never done anything racist- racist.

    Your problem, as a community, is exactly Black History month, and BET, and Ebony Magazine or Jet, etc. You isolate yourself, in the name of ‘identity’, but then wonder why you have a hard time fitting in. Take ebonics. That’s not another language, its an excuse for idiots who were/are too incompetent to learn fucking english, so in the name of ‘diversity’ and ‘multiculturalism’ we’ll make some bullshit up that’ll be protected under political correctness.

    But this is the cherry on the shit cake you’ve served- you’re blaming millions of people, who have had nothing to do with slavery or racism, of racism. Yet, of the people and institutions who have had a hand in promoting both slavery and racism, you blindly support without question. Every Civil Rights legislation has been opposed overwhelmingly by Dems and supported almost unanimously by the GOP. That’s a fact you still seem to struggle with, and continuously try to justify with, ‘well that was then and this is now.’ And to continue the facade, you manufacture ‘code words’ and attach inuendo to political speech that has nothing to do with race.

    And of course, you hide behind you skin like no other. Can’t pass a test? It’s because you’re black and white people have unfairly raised the bar. Can’t hold a job? Obviously white people are behind it. In jail? Clearly, it is the fault of white people for tempting you to steal.

    My sister is married to a black guy. He has been caught cheating and refuses to take ownership of his faults. They’re staying at his families right now, and she tells me that half the time is spend complaining about the ‘white man’- in front of her no less- yet half of them are unemployed and on the government dole.

    So I tell you what R, I won’t blast you for your clearly racist post, but I will say that you’re less of a man for writing it.

  5. Based on what my kids are taught, there’s no difference between your white (guilt) history month and black history month.

    (I assume that was your point).

  6. R, how’s the dialogue on the violent right-wing rhetoric and gun contol going for you now that it has been abandoned as the feigned outrage de jour by the liberal media?

  7. How utterly predictable. The racists get called on their stuff and their heads explode.

    The whole story is not very complicated.
    1) There are plenty of racists left in the US. Most today are in the GOP-teabagger party. They harbor them – they do not denounce them… Recently they have made Muslims a target as well as blacks and browns.
    2) The regressives look around and see that there are now 10 states which have minority white populations – most of them “red states”. The whole country will be majority non-white in 30 years.. Not a great situation when you are immigrant bashing.
    3) hence the anti-immigrant bills, the attempts to repeal or end-run the 14th amendment (no chance).
    4) Over 50% of GOP voters think Obama is not American born – pure racism.

    So it’s “All Fear All the Time” against anyone who is not just like them. Never mind that they are all from immigrants unless they are NDN – and even they have only been out of Asia for 18,000 years or so.

    They have been trying some “White History Months” in the south this year – defending that war to protect slavery.

    It has not worked out well.
    http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/gov-haley-barbours-return-to-race-politics/
    Haley Barbour was always a joke as a POTUS candidate – but if he needed one that was his macca moment.

  8. They have been trying some “White History Months” in the south this year – defending that war to protect slavery.

    Well it’s funny, I hadn’t even thought about that issue … the whole revisionist history angle. Good point Dog.

  9. Let me start with Gorilla since he seems to be about the only one who missed the tone …. G, it’s called satire. Read the first and last paragraph again. It was a huge stinking turd wrapped in a pretty box with a bow on top.

    There are two bottom line points, both made clear by Mr. Freeman. Black History Month is at once redundant and insulting. On the one hand, black history is American History. It we leave the realm of civil rights advocates and simply focus on black achievement in medicine, law, business and the arts, being black didn’t have a damn thing to do with it. So why allocate a month to celebrate it and label it “black”?

    Second, there is a sort of condescending tone to the whole thing. Let’s spend a month talking about the achievements of the Negro for whom we have such low expectations most of the time. When Freeman asks Mike Wallace if there is a Jewish History Month, underlying the question is that Jewish achievement isn’t deemed “special”. So why should black achievement be deemed “special”? Let’s celebrate the achievements of all Americans all the time.

  10. Dawg knows racism, as he happens to live in one of the most segregated, lily white cities in America. Another post where words are mouthed, but deeds fall short.

    The bottle filler seems to have acquired a case of the Graychin Racist Syndrome.

    While Dawg Hair preaches to us about the evils of teabagger racism, he resides in a city that is approximately 3.2% “African”-American, exceeding his mentors wails of white racism by approximately 3.2%. 🙂

    More fun facts about Dawg’s hometown city:

    There are NO LISTED black owned businesses
    There are NO LISTED Asian owned businesses
    There are NO LISTED Hispanic owned businesses

    http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/40/4004450.html

    ————-

    Since Rutherford continues to avoid the question, and Poolman suddenly went AWOL here (but not at other blogs), I will attempt to see if Dawg Meat can explain and justify this shall we say, “racially tinged post” from a site he has also linked to named ALTERNET.

    YELLER DAWG

    I know how you love to link to AlterNet. Assuming you show up, perhaps you would like to excuse and explain this one from your favorite “linking” blog? Sambo, coon, monkey in the window?

    A little excerpt?

    We always need a monkey in the window, for he/she reminds us of our humanity while simultaneously reinforcing a sense of our own superiority. Sadly, there are always folks who are willing to play that role because it pays so well.

    http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2011/02/12/black-history-month-is-herman-cain-playing-the-race-minstrel-for-cpac/

    So Yeller. Can you only be racist if you’re a teabagger and not a teabaggee such as yourself?

  11. Unlike Dog, I actually find the responses to this piece very interesting and not quite as volatile as I expected.

    Everyone here has spoken some truth. Tex, as only he can do it, has pointed out the dysfunction in the black community. My only peeve with Tex is that I would argue this dysfunction is more a consequence of poverty than race. Poor white folks don’t act much better than their black counterparts.

    Huck’s “corrections” also hit valid points. Some Africans did facilitate the slave trade. Doesn’t let the slave owners off the hook but it certainly doesn’t paint Africans as angels either. The point about the Democratic role in racism is also true but a bit disingenuous. We all know prior to the Southern Strategy of the Nixon era that the racial roles of the parties were reversed. LBJ, probably against his own instincts, championed civil rights and it lost the Dem’s Southern support. The GOP seeing opportunity for a power grab with a disenfranchised bunch of racists, changed its tune.

    AND, Dog speaks the truth too. One cannot help but see racial insecurity in some of the behavior of the far right.

    We still need racial progress in this country. Whites need to focus on keeping color blind opportunities available and blacks need to focus on improving their communities in a self-sufficient manner.

    Quite frankly, American blacks could really learn something from Egypt. When the police went AWOL during the crisis, people policed their own neighborhoods and there was a minimum of looting and other crime. I’m not calling for vigilantism but blacks need to demand more from their own neighborhoods and make them intolerable places for crack dealers and the like.

  12. Quite frankly, American blacks could really learn something from Egypt. When the police went AWOL during the crisis, people policed their own neighborhoods and there was a minimum of looting and other crime.

    Actually, there was massive looting according to the Sphinx, and the military was called into neighborhoods for protection. Sounds more Watts than Beverly Hills. And I hope blacks don’t learn too much from the ‘peaceful’ moderate Egyptians.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/02/15/60minutes/main20032070.shtml?tag=exclsv

    You think it’s just poverty Rutherford? Please see comment #12. Since when did Jackson, Sharpton, Wright, Simpson, and now Rodney King (who we made a millionaire) become impoverished?

  13. Black-owned firms, percent, 2002 F 2.6%
    American Indian and Alaska Native owned firms, percent, 2002 5.3% 5.9%
    Asian-owned firms, percent, 2002 F 1.6%
    Hispanic-owned firms, percent, 2002 F 1.9%

    Does is that retard not able to read his own link? Or is he just lying and hoping you wont read it.

    I have patronized most of those places one time or another.

  14. Tex sorry to ignore the repeated call outs to AlterNet by you and others.

    Look, to some folks, like me, far right blacks just don’t make any sense. Speaking for me only, I look at tone. If a black comes off as a Sean Hannity or some other right wing dumbass, it does piss me off. I’m not familiar with Herman Cain. I can live with a GOPher like Colin Powell (whom you call a RINO) but I can’t live with a fool like Alan Keyes or Allen West for that matter.

    You can argue until you’re blue in the face that Democrats don’t have solutions for blacks. You can even argue that they make it harder for blacks in the long run by creating safety nets that disincent entrepreneurship and creativity. But the GOP has no solution either and on the contrary, spend so much time looking out for the wealthy and the MIC that blacks are no where in their perspective. If blacks join the GOP to change it … BRAVO … but that tends not to be the case.

  15. Actually, there was massive looting

    That does surprise me since I thought the news was making a pretty big deal out of how orderly things were for most of the time of the “revolt”. I know they had one very bad day with Mubarak’s thugs causing trouble.

  16. Dawg, you truly are a borderline moron – maybe even sinking into true moron status.

    Does is that retard not able to read his own link? Or is he just lying and hoping you wont read it.

    I have patronized most of those places one time or another.

    Not in Bartlesville, OK, you didn’t dumbass. That’s the state of Oklahoma moron – wake the fuck up and try pulling your head out of your colon.

  17. You can argue until you’re blue in the face that Democrats don’t have solutions for blacks. You can even argue that they make it harder for blacks in the long run by creating safety nets that disincent entrepreneurship and creativity. But the GOP has no solution either and on the contrary, spend so much time looking out for the wealthy and the MIC that blacks are no where in their perspective. If blacks join the GOP to change it … BRAVO … but that tends not to be the case.

    Fine, but then I shall free to use the words Little Black Sambo, Uncle Tom, houseboy, monkey in the window, Coon, and a host of other pejoratives that don’t specially use the word “nigger” to describe liberal blacks I don’t agree with, and I should be able to do it without criticism.

    You undoubtedly have no problem with the Alternet author using those descriptions to describe Conservative black men, and I am sure in the interest of fairness, you’ll want to hold everyone to the same “high” standards…

  18. F= fewer than 100 businesses…. DUH – 100 is loads percentage wise. Trying to make a racist point with poor data – lying with numbers – or lack there of.

    Would you like some addresses – or would that result in fire bombs?

  19. Hey Dr.. Bottle Fill,

    F standing for statistically insignificant.

    Why don’t you admit you’re a liar about many things, including your educational credentials, your inability to think critically, and the fact you’re not smart enough to even read the right column. At least this time, you were able to run your fat finger down a straight line.

    Dumb fuck…I lived in Bartlesville You need to go back to The Two Useful Idiot’s Blog, now down to one, as I’m sure Graychin has to still assist a blowhard like you in the creation.

    What are you up to now? One regular poster, outside of you and Mr. Pragmatic? 😆

    Loser!

  20. Rutherford tries to act like he is in tune with the fights of minorities like blacks and women. But we here have long known that he really isn’t.

    Rutherford is in tune with people who think like he does. If some of those people happen to have black skin or a vagina, all the better. Then he can come to the defense of those particular people, and act like he cares about all of them in that demographic, rather than just some of them. He even admits it. The problem is that he doesn’t want to recognize it for what it really is.

    We’ve seen that play out here time and time and time again….

  21. I’ve given Obama all the benefit of the doubt he will ever receive from me. Dinesh D’Souza was right. The man is a liar and a menace to the well being and future of this country. An American, race-baiting, race-hating, incompetent tribesman and Marxist.

    Obama’s charade of a budget was the last straw. Observe the joke….

    http://conservativewanderer.wordpress.com/

    Didn’t take long to put the bullshit of following Bubba to rest. Obama is neither smart enough or talented enough to pull a Slick Clinton – so far, Obama has kept the willy zipped.

    We have to run this jackass out of D.C. on a rail or frogmarch his ass to the curb, finished with a drop kick to the trash bin of abysmal and epic failure reserved for the worst of American history.

  22. Hey Rutherford,

    An unfortunate event has occurred. I’ve lost my identify at Fat Grannies. 😥

    Some poor soul has joined in my cause and now they are accusing me of being him. I didn’t even have to sneak in under an assumed name to have somebody else expose the stupidity, hypocrisy, jealous hag rage, SP Derangement Syndrome, uber postpartum depression, inanity, idiocy, fraudulence, lies, distortions, perversions of truth, happy abortionists, and misandry this time. 😈

    It would be the height of irony if my whim one night led to that blog being incinerated with a bunch of Conservatives and rational Libs slapping the Fat Asses.

  23. R, said “there is a sort of condescending tone to the whole thing. Let’s spend a month talking about the achievements of the Negro for whom we have such low expectations most of the time.”

    Ahem. What “we” amigo?

    The low expectations are from the left. That is why it feels the need to speak up and rely on the government to defend and bolster a black community it clearly perceives to be incapable of achievement on its own. Patronizing really. Condescending. Destructive. Intended to advance a culture of dependence.

    Do you really think the black community is glad its benevolent defenders, Yellowbitch and Rutherford, are there to protect it from all of the racists on the right? I really wish you knuckleheads had an inkling of how powerfully counterproductive your approach to race relations is. But I know you won’t because it feeds your need to feel charitable without sacrifice.

    Label me “racist” and Morgan “victim” all you want. I prefer to label him “Morgan” as he requests.

    And here I thought you took the message to heart, Rutherford.

  24. White people be stinkin when they sick with a cold.

    They also stink like a chicken coop when wet.

    Editor’s note: This looks like SPAM but it was so humorously nonsensical that I approved it anyway. 🙂

  25. You undoubtedly have no problem with the Alternet author using those descriptions to describe Conservative black men

    [Backpedal on]
    There’s never any excuse to use racially charged language when disagreeing with someone whether it’s a black conservative or a black liberal or a white conservative or a white liberal.
    [Backpedal off]

    All I was saying is I understand frustration with folks who join groups which don’t advocate for them. GOProud is another good example. A bunch of gays show up at CPAC to yell ra-ra with people who for the most part consider them an abomination. It boggles the mind.

  26. Huh? Most people there think black people are an abomination?

    Dude, your are hopelessly lost.

    But go ahead. Keep telling yourself the left has “done” so much good for blacks.
    Its not like you give a shit.

    3 and a half years counting and not one blog entry on the inner city.

    It’s icky when you lift up big liberal concrete slabs. All those nasty centipedes and pill bugs squirm. Better to just ignore it all and blame phantoms in the GOP.

    No, black man. You’re not an abomination. Your just a fucking coward. Your blog proves it.

  27. Some poor soul has joined in my cause and now they are accusing me of being him.

    Hell, at one point they hinted that I might be you.

    Speaking of incineration, I have it on good authority that at some point in the past someone did successfully bring the site to its knees. Think about that … a site that is so polarizing that it inspires people to try to bring it down. Helluva endorsement.

  28. And here I thought you took the message to heart, Rutherford.

    Tigre I don’t think your getting Morgan’s full message. Part of what he is saying is that it is insulting to relegate black history to one month. So on the one hand he is talking about the absurdity of race and the benefit of “stop talking about it” but on the other hand he’s also saying Black History Month is kind of a slap in the face.

    I absolutely do not view Morgan as a victim.

    As for whether the black community is glad to have me and Dog … well no delusions of grandeur there, but I suspect they’re glad to have Charlie Rangel (here comes some sh*t, my shield is in place), and they were glad to have Martin Luther King and they were glad to have Malcolm X.

    The idea that democratic politics has not worked all that well for blacks is not lost on me (anymore) but you’ll have trouble convincing me the GOP offers the way out.

  29. Most people there think black people are an abomination?

    No …. I said most folks at CPAC consider gays an abomination. Read it again dude …. but after you read the brouhaha a Pennsylvania teacher got herself in for anonymously blogging! LOL

  30. Gorilla, regarding the vid of the kids protesting “who knows what” … I have to tell you that as I watched the protests in Egypt, I suspected a minimum of 10% of those folks hadn’t a clue why they were there either. Just a good opportunity to yell.

    By the way … I told you it was satire … I never said it was good satire. That’s for you to judge and your verdict was loud and clear, 😉

    I actually liked my “move Jews to Jersey” post better. It was more fun and more absurd.

  31. “The idea that democratic politics has not worked all that well for blacks is not lost on me (anymore) but you’ll have trouble convincing me the GOP offers the way out.”

    Well, back at you. I don’t think you’re getting my full message. It is not the job of either party to “offer the way out.” The solution is cultural/sociological, not political. And the racism allegations do not help end racism nor further race relations, particularly when offered to support the caricature you and Yellowbitch like to cast upon the right. And I think Morgan would agree.

    I assure you, racial harmony is not fostered by the self-righteous and false claims that the right is is driven by racism that dim-witted liberals claim they strive to cure. In fact, its the opposite. Quit pretending you’re endowed with the moral authority and right to speak for the black community. It’s patronizing and speaks to my point if you’d care to consider it. If you do not view Morgan or any other member of the black community as victims, then maybe its time to stop treating them like they are.

  32. Story of teaching and Kiddo #1

    As I’ve bragged in the past, my oldest will graduate in May Summu Cum Laude, perfect 4.0 in honors biology/biochemistry, with electives like physical chemistry, advanced calculus, differential equations blah blah blah. She’s on her way to med school – seven interviews/seven acceptances to some top universities – smart as they come.

    She’s taking one class this semester and substitute teaching at local middle schools and high schools to fill the void.

    Enough bragging.

    Eldest daughter had given some thought to postponing med school for a year or two and signing on to this Teach America thing, where they take the best and brightest from college, pay them to teach at low achieving schools for two years, and then Uncle Sam helps them pay for professional schooling of some sort. My oldest is the empathetic type, likes kids, and is all of 21.

    Man, has she received a wake up call this semester about teaching at low achieving schools.

    —————-

    She substitutes in the supposed “advanced placement” classes. Most of the classes so far have been mainly Hispanic.

    Her first ten minutes of her first day, she was teaching algebra. The instructor had given her the assignments to hand out and she would instruct from those. One girl and one boy told her “we aren’t doing this.” Daughter asked why. The female said, “Because I don’t feel like doing it and there’s nothing you can do to make me.”

    My daughter, after gathering her senses, said, “Okay, but you do know you will receive an ‘F’? I asked that you sit there quietly and not disrupt the rest of the class. Then the girl proceeded to talk on her cell phone, text, talk outloud, and the boy got up to get a drink and walked out of the class.

    Finally, oldest daughter had enough and asked the girl to leave. The girl told her, “No.”

    So within the first hour of her first day, my daughter walks to the principal’s office having to leave the class unattended for a few minutes, to ask for assistance, grateful she had decided not to join “Teach America.”

    Daughter wasn’t really upset, but shook her head and said no wonder these punks are in trouble. Needless to say, she’s not quite as sympathetic as she was as the dreamy teenager.

    Then she add, “Had I done something like dad, they would have kicked me out of school, and you would have killed me!”

    She’s right. 🙂

  33. Figures Lie & Liars Figure…and racists

    And dumbasses engage in repetitive rhetoric without thinking, and can’t even read the columns correctly to deduce whether there’s a lie or not.

    Get lost Dr. Douche bag and go fill an acetylene bottle. Something you’re capable of, because blogging ain’t it.

  34. “Figures Lie & Liars Figure…and racists”

    Repeating yourself over and over doesn’t make you any smarter, dog…..

  35. Rutherford,

    Forewarning. For those that come from that lying, reprehensible Fat Granny site, I’d be careful what you share.

    Some of them even quote the Bible. 😉 And I’m telling you from personal experience, those goats will twist the knife, lie to your face while trying to befriend you as fast as any Fat Granny type with saggy tits – they’re basically female gossips with a set of nuts, if you get my drift. 😉 Took me a few weeks to figure the truth and the purpose out.

    These are people completely without principle. Guaranteed.

  36. Black history, white history, American history, what is the difference? None of it is ever recorded from an unbiased perspective. The one recording it usually interprets events favoring their own race/culture/religion/government. If any get it “right”, the next generation alters/hides/distorts/burns it for future generations. We are re-writing it more and more this very day.

    Human history is what matters. We are all related. I think even atheists cop to that. We haven’t learned anything from history, especially in this country. We keep repeating the same fatal mistakes. We constantly blame others for our failures to humanity.

    Just follow the commentary on this blog as with plenty of others, “It’s the dimms, it’s the regressives, it’s the libs, it’s the Islamists, it’s the GOP, etc….

    I believe we started out on top and have done a downward spiral since. It is sort of like a gigantic porcelain flush. Who cares if it swirls to the left or to the right? It’s still going down.

    Today it is just a matter of guessing how many more spins – how far we get to go till we reach bottom. Life is desperate. We don’t throw preservers, we tie on millstones. Go ahead and grab hold of any crap you find to try to stay up a little longer than the rest. Keep treading water. Pray you dock on the glistening white shores of hope…

  37. Tigre 😆

    What else needs to be said? After all, he is a walking, talking POS. But I didn’t know he knew how to drive a boat.

  38. You know how Dog Meat is always calling the GOP old?

    Fun Fact for the Day:

    Startling age gap between Ds & Rs in House: GOP has 41 reps under 45, Dems 12. Dems have 35 reps over 70, Reps 19.

    Eat that Dr. Douche bag.

  39. Ah, man that was beautiful. Nothing like starting the day and watching the American military reenact Sodom and Gomorrah on several of the slopeydopes.

    ULULULULULLULULULUU!!!!

  40. Tex at 55. That was truly sick. Sorry man, I don’t buy it. Anymore, I recognize propaganda when I see it. That whole site reeks of the sickness.

    Don’t get me wrong. There is plenty of evil in the Muslim camp. But you need to work on that plank that is obviously obstructing your view.

  41. Gorilla at 56. Awesome technology. Dedicated men. Very adept.

    If there is anything we have excelled at, it is weaponry and killing. We definitely are better skilled and equipped than the “enemy”. Maybe one day it will be used strictly for the defense of our nation, as our founders envisioned. One could hope.

  42. Nothing like starting the day and watching the American military reenact Sodom and Gomorrah on several of the slopeydopes.

    Right. We would be like gods, maaan. Judgment belongs to us, right? Your words, buddy. Your words.

  43. Awesome. I loves Carlin. His logic always is profound.

    Awesome sacrilege Al-Poolman. Your words, bubba. Your words. Glad you like his logic. You’ll be enjoying it with George the atheist for eternity.

    Of course, Carlin was showing his ignorance, albeit in his always flippant way, as he would have learned his Catholic faith in his “age of reason” he lost, places more children in adoption than any organization in the world. Then you throw in the hundreds of crisis pregnancy centers through the U.S., and they not only care for the “born” children, but the mothers too.

    Did you learn to appreciate this at the altar Pharisees on the Move Church you attend Al-Poolman? Kind of like your kin over at Fat Grannies?

    See Al-Poolman, you’ve got me figured all wrong.

    If it were simply you, your wife (in a burqa) along with your daughters, I wouldn’t be at enmity with the Muslims. I’d be rooting for them…

  44. Like I said, Rutherford. Here’s your Chatty Kitchen culprit. This one is not terribly hard to figure out.

    I can see why you’re confused about discernment concerning religion. When you’ve got loons calling themselves Christian with King James at hand, then paling around with children of Baal over at Fat Grannies and Chatty Cathy’s place, is does show an incredible degree of hypocrisy and pretentiousness on the part of the preacher. On par with pedophile priests and homosexual preachers. 😉

    Keep that in mind when you read his screed.

  45. Fear the Pro-Life crowd. 😈 Criticize and demean while quoting the Bible (snicker) and befriending the abortion proponents and misandrists from Fat Grannies. 🙄 Befriend the infanticide – Encourage abortion – shit stains and all.

    Long live Dar Al-Islam! Right Poolman?

    How’s this for propaganda Mohammad’s puppet Al-Poolman?

    Islam against:
    – the Catholics in the Philippines (routine slaughter & beheadings)
    – the Christians in Indonesia (routine slaughter & beheadings)
    – Australian tourists in Bali (blown up…twice)
    – the Buddhists in Thailand (routine slaughter & beheadings)
    – the Hindus & Sikhs in India (hundreds of years battling the Islamic Jihad)
    – the Jews in Mumbai (slaughtered)
    – the Zoroastrians & Baha’i in Iran (virtually exterminated)
    – Islamic converts to Christianity in Afghanistan (death fatwa)
    – ancient Buddhist statues in Bamiyan, Afghanistan (blown up)
    – the Chaldean Christians in Iraq (routine persecution, slaughter & church burnings)
    – the Jews in Israel (routine attacks against civilians, threat of 2nd genocide)
    – the Jews in Yemen (nearly exterminated)
    – S. Korean & German tourists in Yemen (blown up)
    – the Coptic Christians in Egypt (routine persecution, slaughter & church attacks)
    – the Christians & animists in Sudan (genocide)
    – the Christians in Kenya (constant Jihadist threat from Obama’s homies)
    – the Christians in Nigeria (routine Jihadist attacks)
    – U.S. embassies in Tanzania & Kenya (blown up)
    – the atheists in Europe (the prime target)
    – the native French in Paris (torched car terrorism)
    – Jews in Paris (read the grisly story of Ilan Halimi, a Jewish shop clerk who was kidnapped, tortured and killed in 2006)
    – the native Swedes in Malmo (Islamic rape brigades)
    – the native Dutch in Amsterdam (routinely terrorized)
    – Dutch politicians (Geert Wilders & Ayyan Hirsi Ali – death fatwa)
    – Dutch cinematographers (Theo vanGogh savagely murdered by an Islamist in broad daylight)
    – Dutch cartoonists (Kurt Westergaard – death fatwa)
    – Dutch newspaper editors (Flemming Rose, Jyllands-Posten’s culture editor – death fatwa)
    – Train commuters in Spain (blown up)
    – Tube commuters in London (blown up)
    – Airports in Scotland (blown up)
    – Jews in Argentina (blown up)
    – Jews in Caracas (blown up)
    – Twin Tower office workers in N.Y. (blown up – twice)
    – Defense workers in the Pentagon (blown up – airliner jihad)
    – Army/Navy military recruiters in Little Rock (gunned down by an Islamist)
    – Soldiers in Ft. Hood Texas (gunned down by an Islamist)
    – Pedestrians at the U. of N. Carolina (run down with an SUV by Islamist)
    – Journalists like Daniel Pearl (savagely decapitated by Islamists)
    – Nick Berg, Kim Sung-il, Piotr Stanczyk, Jack Hensley, Eugene Armstrong, Paul Johnson (savagely decapitated by Islamists)
    – Jewish centers in Seattle (slaughtered by Islamic Jihadist)
    – Jewish centers in Toronto (slaughtered by Islamic Jihadist)
    – Infidel Delta Airlines passengers (underwear bomber)
    – Times Square pedestrians (SUV bomber)
    – Soccer fans in Uganda (Blown up while watching the world cup)
    – Christian doctors in Afghanistan (savagely slaughtered by the Taliban)
    Dahab, Sharm El-Sheikh and Luxor attacks, all in Egypt and the 2002 Djerba, Tunisia truck bomb tourist attack.
    Pogrom against the Amahdiyya in Indonesia
    Armenian genocide
    Islamic slave trade in Zanzibar
    Gang-rape of CBS correspondent Lara Logan

    Anybody not on the list that I forgot Al-Poolman?

  46. Wow, Tex! Quite a list. .Paranoia runs pretty deep with you. I quickly see a few where you have incorrectly assigned blame. But when you paint Islam as your enemy, I’m sure you can see them behind every evil act. Gee, I wonder why our sovereign God didn’t forewarn us about any of them in His written Word. Hmmmm. Sorry, there’s that darn logic popping up again.

    Oh, and for what it’s worth, my internet was shut off from Friday evening until yesterday noon when I was able to pay them. Guess someone else is adept at google. I’m sure it was intended to make you go berserk. I had almost forgot who held us in orbit.

  47. Times are tough
    Times are hard
    Here’s your frickin’
    With Sympathy card…

    You’re a damn blowhard and Fat Grannie toady. You’re getting to be almost as pathetic as Dr. Dawg Hair.

    Pay your bills on time and quit trying to live off the dole like your Queen Muthers Margaret and Helen. You live the lie, you die by the lie.

    Did you know you’re entire frickin life message Al-Poolman is based on bullshit? You say one thing and do quite another. Your message is such a contradiction in terms, I used to quietly laugh at you. Now I just mock you because you’re a sanctimonious twit.

    Your faith, your message while running with Fat Grannies lackeys, your thought process, your mind set, your radical Muslim appeasing, which by the way, you failed to specifically show my “errors.” All of it is based on baloney.

    Get back over there to Chatty Cathy’s Kitchen where you can bullshit in private and share your pain with the meaningless Ms. Andrist pro abortion crowd.

  48. Ummm Rutherford. I assume you’re going to go all Lady Gaga over this demonstration of civility toward the sitting Wisconsin Governor?

  49. Internet falls behind electric, water, and food as far as priorities in my house. A few days without it was okay. Actually it was rather refreshing. I do spend a lot of time on this contraption. I was just inconvenienced by having to travel with my laptop over to BIL’s to check email accounts, etc.

    AFA your list, I could probably pick almost each one apart. But let’s look at Nick Berg. From Wikipedia:

    There is controversy over the identity of the killers and the circumstances surrounding the killing.

    Al Jazeera, in an article entitled “Bloggers doubt Berg execution video”, and other websites and mainstream news media outside the United States including the Sydney Morning Herald and Asia Times, point out what they say are inconsistencies in the video.

    According to Saleh al-Hami, Zarqawi’s brother-in-law, “The killer on the video cuts with his right hand. While Mr. Hami said he thought Mr. Zarqawi was right-handed, Mr. Rababa and Mr. Abu Doma, who shared the same room with [Zarqawi] for several years, insisted that he used his right hand only for eating and shaking hands.”

    An editorial in the Sydney Morning Herald claimed that there is a voice saying in Russian, “do it quickly”.

    A number of the alleged inconsistencies are listed (many with sources) at the following website. http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=nick_berg

    Hector Carreon claimed on his website La Voz de Aztlan that “the Berg decapitation was filmed inside the walls of the notorious Abu Ghraib prison”. They argued that Nick Berg’s uniform was identical to “U.S. Military Police issued prisoner overalls”, the “white plastic chair that Nicholas Berg is sitting on” was identical to the “white plastic chair that the now infamous Pfc. Lynndie England is sitting on” in a photo taken at the Abu Ghraib prison, the “color and texture of the wall” was identical to “those of the Abu Ghraib prison”, and that “someone with a military cap, possibly with a second video camera, pokes his head into the video”.

  50. Here Al-Poolman. Meet Hussein, your soul mate and inspiration. You’ll fit right into the pilgrimage, and you too can stick your head in the gutter at the ‘wholly’ sites while you crawl on your elbows, celebrating at the end. Life changing stuff for you here.

    They sound just like you, from caterpillars to butterflies to martyrs. Take the rock from my hand butterfly…

    One question remained in my mind after spending 75 electrifying minutes. Why aren’t these mullahs martyring themselves if it’s paradise.

    Isn’t by example always the best teacher?

    Once Upon A Time In Iran – Full Movie

  51. Hey Al-Moonbat,

    You want to give me the executive summary so I don’t have to read through 21 pages of your mindless crap? And since you’ve returned from the poor house, perhaps you’d like to address this blog you love posting this:

    From the previous thread. See if you can justify Alternet for me now Al-Moonbat.

    —-

    Poolman

    I know how you love to link to AlterNet. Assuming you show up, perhaps you would like to excuse and explain this one from your favorite “linking” blog? Sambo, coon, monkey in the window?

    A little excerpt?

    We always need a monkey in the window, for he/she reminds us of our humanity while simultaneously reinforcing a sense of our own superiority. Sadly, there are always folks who are willing to play that role because it pays so well.

    http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2011/02/12/black-history-month-is-herman-cain-playing-the-race-minstrel-for-cpac/

  52. Tex, I always try to address your points. It would be a nice change if you reciprocated.

    But let’s once again visit yours. I went to the alternet link you provided. I read it and listened to Mr Cain’s speech. The speech was a fine one. I wish it was sincere. Mr Cain has been a CEO and even worked the Federal Reserve Bank a couple years. Now he is a conservative pundit and media man with an eye on the presidency. That points to an agenda.

    His first point. We should stay informed. That I can agree to, and drives my point. Informed means get to the truth. I have been going there for quite some time now. Hint: You won’t find it where you’ve been looking. Try the 21 page article I linked to help you “see the light.”

    Point 2. Get involved. Yeah, I agree. Do what you can with what you got to do it with. I’m hip.

    3. Stay inspired. I’m there. I get new inspiration every day that I have to live in this world system and battle the forces keeping me “in line” and accepting injustice as the norm. One of the reasons I stand up to bullshit in cyberspace. The reason I keep posting these links to reality you keep poopooing.

    Yeah, pretty speech, but much for show. He was, afterall, addressing his constituency. He said all the right things. Poor man to success story. The epitomy of the American dream. I’ve heard it hundreds of times.

    The article commentary is over the top, but does have some basis in fact. Both the speech and the article have some validity, but are really both distortions and beyond reason. I think the speech and the commentary, being at dire extremes with each other give a good median perspective and that middle ground can form a dialog. Both agendas can meet in the middle. He was playing the crowd. The article was exaggerated.

    God first, self second, country third, is somewhat accurate, based on American ideology. However it should be God first, neighbor next, self third, to truly be Biblical. Invoking God is the American way. Being Christian, however is mere lip service. Try humility. It speaks more accurately of the true persona of Jesus, the example of Christian faith. It is past time for a little humble pie
    .

  53. The article commentary is over the top, but does have some basis in fact.

    You’re blatantly dishonest Al-Poolman. Your Alternet article is not over the top – it’s flat our racist (coon, monkey, Sambo). And I suspect you are too, pushing the politics aside.

    Your excuse making is getting old sport.

    If you want me to answer your questions in return, don’t send me a dissertation. I’m not reading through 21 pages of material to figure out exactly what you are accusing me of lying about.

    I think you purposely try to baffle with bullshit because (1) your short on facts and big on mouth; (2) you’re busy trying to pick corn out of your own droppings; (3) you think what worked at Fat Grannies works here. It doesn’t.

  54. give me the executive summary so I don’t have to read through 21 pages of your mindless crap

    This was written by a member of the Bar Association of Queensland Australia. So if you find it mindless, maybe you have less of a mind to understand how the sytem works. At least from a down under perspective.

    The last three pages are footnotes, so you can skip those if you wish. However, facts are supposed to help form logical conclusions. These are documented facts.

    Don’t wait for the movie…

    In summary, it is a history of us and the Aussies involvement in that place we know as Afghanistan. The British drew the lines on the map years ago, but the locals don’t see it that way. We like to see separate countries with central governments. But then that’s us. We want control over it. Exploit it for gain.

    Australia’s involvement in the Afghan war is based upon multi-layered levels of deception and illegality. Although there is a long history of western interference in Afghanistan’s affairs, the present troubles can be directly traced to the plans formulated by Brzezinski in the late 1970s to arm and finance Islamic militants to destabilize the Afghan government of Tariki.

  55. I don’t necessarily disagree with that, but what’s your point?

    Where we a re at now, while it might have connections to the failure that was the Carter Administration, is a totally different animal.

    They attacked us.

    They committed and act of war.

    We can argue the end game, but the start was pretty clear.

    I will be the first to state that the woes of the world can largely be placed at the feet of the British. From the Arab/Israeli conflict, India/Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Burma, etc, etc, etc. When British empire fell, it was a hell of a mess, one we’re still dealing with some 70 years later.

  56. Good job Poolman. I’m with Gorilla about the British Empire.

    So exactly what am “I wrong about”, because the only thing I remember writing concerning Afghanistan on this site is are we going to fight, or are we going to nation build? And I thought our approach in 2002 was lackluster. Kill the SOBs or get out. That’s about the extent of it.

    But since you never seem to have a damn thing positive to say about America, and the gist of your conversation is that we are imperialists and butchers, why don’t you take your “pool business” and move to some paradise in the middle east?

  57. I disagree with an above assertion.

    “When British Ottoman empire fell, it was a hell of a mess, one we’re still dealing with some 70 years later.”

    That’s what I think it should say.

    The result of its fall were lines drawn on maps representing boundaries that should have never been. I can expand on this further later tonight if anyone disagrees.

  58. The point is because we have a dick we think we have the right to fuck everyone. Legally it’s rape, but we justify it like we do everything else.

  59. The point is because we have a dick we think we have the right to fuck everyone. Legally it’s rape, but we justify it like we do everything else.

    Al-Poolman. Did you know you always assume the worst about America? Always. Our leaders always corrupt and spiteful, our military brutes, our motives imperialistic. We always meddle, when we should simply close ourselves off and build a big wall.

    I say America has done more good from the heart than any nation since its existence. Any nation.

    Has Ameirca made mistakes? Sure. Have we supported regimes that later turned out to be thugs? Sure. Is Al-Poolman an armchair quarterback that even with hindsight being 20/20, still can’t get it right most of the time? Sure.

    You’re obviously a bitter man, who fell short on the American dream. You’ve become so bitter, despite your love for Jesus talk, it’s blinded you to the truth.

    It’s not politicians that put you in your predicament Al-Poolman. Maybe it was fate, bad breaks, or more likely, bad personal decisions, but you need to rethink the remainder of your years. You’re real close to Mexico. Why don’t you pull up stakes and move there?

    Me? The two luckiest breaks in my entire life, and they have been the only lucky ones but they were huge, are my country of birth and my wife.

    I’m personally proud of my country, warts and all. Too bad you can’t say the same and have to go looking for excuses.

  60. If you’re favorite uncle is molesting little girls, do you turn him in to the authorities? I say yes. Justice is blind, remember?

  61. Poolman, your unbounded piety truly distorts your logic. “Favorite uncle molesting little girls being turned in to the authorities?” Gimme a break.

  62. Yeah, the Ottomans caused some problems, to be sure. But European Imperialism was far worse in terms of today’s geopolitical cluster fucks that Poolman always hates on America over. If anything, the British gobbled up the failed Ottoman Empire and continued where they left off. Hell, the Ottomans were propped up by the British for a long time. Without the Brits, the Empire would have collapsed some time around the Crimean (spelling?) War.

    Didn’t the Ottomans rule Iraq via 3 separate provinces? Would have been nice if the Brits kept it that way.

    Besides, its obviously pretty hard to blame the Ottomans for places like Rwanda, Burma and the Congo etc. etc.

  63. Rabbit,

    How is your wife faring and what is the latest news about her sight?

    I’ve been thanking about you and hope life finds your wife better.

  64. Gimme a break.

    One break coming up…

    Sorry if you don’t see the analogy. Let me further ‘splain it:

    My favorite uncle (USofA), who I’m still obligated to love (patriotism), should be chastised (held legally accountable) for his ongoing and devasting perversions (war crimes and drug trafficking) against innocents (other indigenous cultures and races) that are vulnerable (weaker militarily) and cannot defend themselves.

    It is evil and I oppose ALL evil. Even if it is in my own house.

  65. Tex, her spirits are good. But, she is still blind in that eye. Last time we went in, they said there is a very good chance she would stay that way. The toughest thing is she can’t drive.

  66. Can’t drive? Even after she adjusts, even if she completely loses sight in one eye? Is there some restriction, or just that she wouldn’t be comfortable or feel safe doing so?

  67. Tex, I’m sure she will be able to drive in time. But, its a no go right now. Her depth perception is too messed up.

  68. Keep the faith Rabbit.

    At your wife’s age, the body has an incredible ability to heal itself. Even if she should happen to lose vision in one eye, it is phenomenal how the brain can adjust to hardship with patience and time.

  69. “Huck, I could spit the hair that way, though the Brits have still given us plenty of pain…”

    Yeah. They’re the ones who pretty much drew the lines!

    And to clarify…I did say the breakup of the Ottoman Empire caused the problems. Because of the way it was divided up. Which is hardly the fault of the Ottomans.

  70. Sorry I’ve been AWOL. Will try to catch up on comments during the weekend. Combination of business picking up a bit and my wife getting a coronary catheterization yesterday that came up clean as a whistle. On the one hand, relief that her heart and arteries seem to be ok, on the other hand frustration in that we now have to search elsewhere to see what is ailing her.

    Later dudes and the occasional dudette.

  71. Let’s get it on. I’m been ready since early 2001… 😉

    And no, I’m not teasing. We can start in Madison. And I hope the Republican governor has the guts and the good sense to stomp liberalism and public union thieves into the dust. Time to break the unions, who are a large part of America’s problem.

    And I mean to the dustbin of American history. Let them hit the open market and find out what their skills are really worth.

  72. on the other hand frustration in that we now have to search elsewhere to see what is ailing her.

    Sinoatrial node? TIme to check the electrolyte abnormalities old friend – magnesium for starters. Sure the cardiologist will say as much.

    Maybe she has what I’ve got – ventricular tachycardia.

    Rutherford, does your wife have a regular exercise routine? Let me know…

  73. “I’ve been ready.”

    We might be ready, but it looks like 1/2 of the jackasses we elected in this run are not.

    Seems that the old guard thinks we are still playing by the old rules. Time to get rid of their asses and replace them with people who know how to listen.

  74. Agreed Huck. Between the Obama 2011-2012 edition budget and the jackass school board and co. in Madison, the Left has become a caricature of failure in about 24 months.

    On a lighter subject, I’ve seen this photoshop cartoon (at least I think it is a photoshop) for 10 years, and still laugh out loud every time I read it.

    The KFC Hillary Clinton Special:

    Two fat thighs, two small breast and a left wing. 😆 There’s some damn funny people in this world.

    http://www.classicalvalues.com/archives/2011/02/chickens_just_w.html

  75. No Tex, these asswipes had (R) behind their name.

    “The House rejected a measure cutting an additional $22 billion from the Republican spending bill, as conservatives ran into a wall of opposition from the GOP establishment over the depth of reductions to federal funding….

    More than half of the Republican conference backed the measure in opposition to two party chiefs, Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) and Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), who voted with every Democrat against it….”

  76. Huck, I have not been impressed with Cantor since the first day I heard him. I’ve always thought he came across as the political lackey.

    Target him next. The other guy I want boot is Richard Lugar…

    But these Republican governors are kicking ass. 😉

  77. By the way Huck, my above statement would not make sense in reference to your context. I’m just not a Cantor fan – he comes across as greasy.

    I needed to add this so you wouldn’t think I misread.

  78. “He seems to have that “redneck” arrogance about him”

    Having worked in corrections, we used to call it “bucking”.

    I like the fact he’s bucking. While poolman would certainly either be slurping or converting to Islam, this guy seems to be standing up to the authorities. Even if the guy is guilty of murder, I kind of respect him.

  79. Message to Teacher Unions:

    You made your bed, now sleep in it. You are the ones that became extensions of the Democratic Party. You are the ones who siphoned union dues for leftist political causes outside of the realm of education. You got on the ship, don’t bitch at me when it sinks.

    Message to Union Bashers:

    I call your bluff. You don’t want to pay a decent wage and give us decent benefits? You have every right to make that call. Fire every one of us. Hire scabs to try to build a positive rapport with your unruly, amoral, disrespectful and self centered kids. I say go for it. Start pay at 20 grand a year. See how many people enter the profession, already riddled with a hundred grand in debt.

    All is fair in love and war. Bring it on motherfuckers.

  80. The teachers in our little school district have made tremendous sacrifices over the last couple years, and many of them will be asked to make more in the near future.

    I know I appreciate them, and I am sure there are some parents who appreciate what you do DR. I know teachers don’t hear that enough, and it should be said from time to time.

    I know it doesn’t pay the bills. But hopefully it’s something…

  81. Unions have ruined teachers guys. Tenure has ruined education, in conjunction with horrid parental skills. I have not noted tremendous sacrifices – especially in California.

    NO way around it. They make 1/2 again more than their peers in the private sector with burden included. They get a two month break. When I hear of teachers complaining about make 83K a year in NJ, recognizing this is going to piss some of you guys off, their job difficulty is simply not nearly as difficult as a CPA, an 5-7 year electrical engineer, and organic chemist.

    And I hope they bust these unions big time. I don’t want to hear one more time about “how I’m doing this for my kids.” They are natural liars.

  82. 83 K?

    In my district, I think we top out at 76. That’s with a Masters PLUS 30 credits.

    And you want more math and science teachers?

    That is a ton of expensive school. And you still have to put your time in.

    We can have a conversation about tenure. But, how did tenure ruin education? It’s been around for decades.

    The average starting salary in Oklahoma is 29k.

    The average salary is 40k in your state.

    39% of all education expenditures go to teacher salaries.

    You’re the tax payer. You have every right to call for teachers to make less. But, at least have an honest conversation about it.

    Tell me the pay scale you think appropriate.

    Even better, tell me the pay scale you think appropriate after subbing for 3 weeks straight in Tulsa.

    My bet is you would knock some 18 or 19 year old punk’s jaw off.

    But don’t worry….their parents are worse….but you won’t have to deal with that.

  83. “their job difficulty is simply not nearly as difficult as a CPA, an 5-7 year electrical engineer, and organic chemist.”-Tex

    Thats a tough one. On the one hand, it rings so true. It’s an easy gig for me, for the most part. On the other hand, most electrical engineers could never handle my job. My brother was an electrical engineer. He never stopped complaining about his coworkers. No hygiene, no social skills. Workaholic odd balls. Many of them never marrying. He used to invite me to social gatherings just so that my big ass could make the geeks nervous.

  84. Lets talk about pensions, while we are at it.

    Cops deserve to retire at 50. So do firefighters. You put your life on the line like they do, day in and day out, I have no problem making sure they get an earlier then average retirement.

    Teachers need to retire earlier too. It’s insane to expect a teacher to work into his/her late 60’s early 70s. This job gets harder every year you get older. I’m not into senior citizens getting disrespected on a daily basis in ways that would never happen in the private sector.

    I read my wife my work emails and her job drops. She’s been successful in the private sector for a decade. And I by far deal with the least amount of drama out of a staff of over a 100.

  85. Unions have no place in the public sector. employment.

    Rabbitt, I don’t get your “teachers need to retire early” argument at all. 50? Really? With pensions? There’s nothing unique about age in teaching. If you don’t want to be “disrespected,” do something else for Christ’s sake. There’s plenty of disprespect (and frankly far more accountability) in the private sector.

  86. whoops, ignore “employment” in the first line.

    And remember, Yellowbitch made it through the public school system. I think a refund of his teachers’ salaries is owed, not early retirement with benefits unavailable to those in the private sector.

  87. “Unions have no place in the public sector. employment.”-Tigre

    Oh yeah? So vote people in who ensure we stop making contracts with unions and fire everybody.

    You might not like it, but collective bargaining is a natural right. You can’t expect people with a commodity (labor) not to utilize our natural right of freedom of assembly.

    You also have a right to fire everyone too. I say go for it.

    “Rabbitt, I don’t get your “teachers need to retire early” argument at all.”-Tigre

    I didn’t say 50. Hell, I’m not even saying 60. However, the work environment of a public school teacher is no where near anything in the private sector. If you think there is nothing unique to the age of a teacher your crazy. I can’t stand seeing senior citizens treated like garbage.

    Look man, I’ve worked tough jobs, both in the private sector and the public. I’ve worked retail at Christmas. I worked concrete, roofed for many years. I even had to clean the cum out of shower drains. (It turns into a jelly that blocks everything….punishment in the Navy)

    Teaching isn’t a bad gig. But when you look at the amount of schooling it takes to get certified, the low pay starting off and the work environment….I deserve my 48 grand and benefits.

    Good point on yellowdog though….I think we should take a 5% pay cut on that alone.

    Ultimately, you are right. We can do something else. I might not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but when people like me start taking you up on your offer you will see where you went wrong.

  88. Tenure allows me to request every kid stand up for the pledge. It allows me to call out PC bull shit when I see it. It can save me when I’m caught in the middle of two females beating the crap out of one another.

    My union (not my association) protects me from unfair situations that no lawyer, engineer or store manager would ever dream of being in. The latest thing is giving us a 30 minute class on tricky medical procedures and then giving us severely sick kids without a nurse. Are you responsible for ensuring a catheter is properly working in one of your clients, with the threat of a lawsuit if you screw it up?

  89. Rabbit, how about we retire some of them cops a bit earlier than 50 – especially these guys in Houston. Don’t you know this is how you are supposed to treat 15 year olds?

  90. Threatened with lawsuits daily if I screw up and in every facet of my practice. If I screw up, peoples lives can be ruined, immediately and publicly. I carry an incredible amount of stress that I don’t think most teachers dream of or could handle. So do many, many other professions. I’m not impressesd with the plea that teachers have it harder or are disrespected more.

    How may teacher do you know personally that have been sued for failing to act in a medical emergency? Actually, how many do you know personally that have been sued in theior professional capacity at all? Be honest.

  91. Good teachers Rabbit are worth their weight in gold. I wrote two nice letters to both my daughter’s chemistry and calculus teacher telling them as much.

    What I want is differentiation between good teachers and bad teachers. If you’re a good teacher, you might make 100K. If you’re a bad teacher, I don’t care how long you’ve been there, I want you working in the cafeteria line.

    I don’t want you to think I don’t appreciate teaching.

    In my opinion, collective bargaining kills good teachers, because it lumps you into a collective hive.

  92. You can get sued for being a bad lawyer. Not a bad nurse. See the difference? Your response is exactly why I thank God for my union. I’m not a fucking nurse!

    My union has so far stopped us from being nurses. This is all very new. So, we haven’t been sued over this yet.

    Our school has been sued multiple times. Usually its over special education stuff.

    I heard a couple teachers have been sued personally over Special Ed stuff, but can’t honestly say I know anyone.

    There is a whole cottage industry of lawyers who make BIG money off of suing schools over special education procedures and modifications.

    Remember Billy, the class trouble maker back when you were in 7th grade? Well, today’s Billy is now categorized as struggling through life with a “disability”. ADHD give families a laundry list of “rights” and big money if those “rights” have been violated in a court of law.

    By the way, you went to school a long time. And your job seems pretty stressful. I bet you make more then 48 grand a year.

  93. Good teachers stay because of the union. So do some bad ones.

    That being said, total incompetent fuck wads keep their jobs in the private sector, too. Fuck wads love bureaucracy. So, I don’t even buy into the entire private sector dog eat dog world that is always thrown at the union.

    Tigre’s profession is probably a major exception to this.

  94. Tex, how would you know a good teacher?

    If its standardized tests, I think I have figured out how to quadruple test scores. Move.

    I went from 25th percentile to 95th.

    I was told I was a failure at one school. I’m told I’m a shining example at the other. Same class, too. I shit you not.

  95. That being said, total incompetent fuck wads keep their jobs in the private sector, too. Fuck wads love bureaucracy. So, I don’t even buy into the entire private sector dog eat dog world that is always thrown at the union.

    I”m sure that’s true. But they’re generally not making anywhere near what the top performer is. And in your profession as a rule, poor performers are making approximately the same as the top performer, assuming each of you has worked the same number of years.

    Don’t you think you’re worth twice what some wad is? If there’s only a couple of thousands difference between you two, I would consider that a real demotivational policy.

  96. I don’t preside over a roomful of children/adolescents.

    I’m not aware of the big money or a cottage industry suing teachers, schools or school districts. I’m a little sceptical, but what the hell do I know? I just have a hard time seeing big awards of damages against public schools or districts where the jurors themselves comprise the tax base that would payout.

    In any event, teachers have considerable immunity from liability, so if they’re personally defending claims on their own dime and paying damage awards, I assure you they’ve been accused of doing something really, really bad — like sexually assautling students, not failing to adminsiter poor nursing skills.

    I make considerably more than $48k. But I had alot of expensive education, was delayed from the job market, and started at a modest salary frequently working 80+ hour weeks. I’ve never had the job security that accompanies public sector work, an expectation of early retirement, full benefits for me and my family and a pension. I’m not saying teaching is a panacea. But it ain’t hell either. Frankly, because pay in the public sector now exceeds private sector pay, I’m having a hard time buying the argument in favor of unions. The charter teachers that outperform the public aren’t unionized. Show me a correlation between improved performance and collective bargaining and I’m on board. I’m confident that it’s the opposite though.

    Please don’t confuse what I’ve said with a lack of appreciation for teachers generally. I am just concerned about economic or work environment abuse in the absence of unions.

  97. “I”m sure that’s true. But they’re generally not making anywhere near what the top performer is.”

    Tex, I’ve seen utter failures get bonuses worth more then all the money you, Tigre and myself will make our entire lives combined. Some of these guys’ bonuses were paid by of son, too.

  98. Tex, I’ve seen utter failures get bonuses worth more then all the money you, Tigre and myself will make our entire lives combined. Some of these guys’ bonuses were paid by of son, too.

    You mean like Jeffrey Immelt of GE fame, the same Jeff Immelt that has driven the GE stock price down 67%, but Obama appointed to be head of his “corporate executive” committee? 🙂 Another glaring indicator of incompetence and cronyism called Obama stain.

    But I’m not talking about failed execs. I’m talking about a middle level accountant sitting not behind a mahogany desk, but sitting in a cube.

  99. Tigre,

    Let’s make a deal. I show you proof of the money that you could be making suing schools and you show me proof of these charter schools out performing public schools.

    As for your tuition, it not much more then what I ultimately have to pay in order to top out. Another challenge: let’s add it up.

    I went to a relatively cheap school. University of Michigan Dearborn. I need a masters plus 30 grad credits. What school did you go to?

    I worked for 80 bucks a day, no bennies my first 3 years in teaching. All vacation unpaid.

    Teaching can be a living hell for many well meaning, hard working people. I’ve come to realize its tough for most people. The Dead Rabbit comes from a very unique background and is a charismatic motherfucker. So, its so easy for me I feel guilty.

  100. ” I’m talking about a middle level accountant sitting not behind a mahogany desk”-Tex

    Here is where I am kind of just talking shit. But how hard can doing anything in an air conditioned cubicle, relatively devoid of distraction? If it wasn’t for my summer vacation and pension I’d say sign me up!

  101. ” because pay in the public sector now exceeds private sector pay”

    Not sure I totally buy that one either.
    For one, what example of a cop or firefighter do you find in the private sector?

    As for those with master degrees, do they really on average make less then those in the public sector?

    I could have gone into law school with my history degree. Math and science teachers are certainly in demand in the private sector.

  102. They don’t have a pension. 🙂

    Seriously Rabbit. I don’t hate teachers, and even have a few of them for friends. Most are part fool, part saint for doing what they do and admire them for the perseverance.

    But these unions like the NEA. I want them busted.

  103. Rabbitt:

    Again, if you have it so bad, do something else. And no fucking way is a masters in education anywhere close to the cost of law school. (BTW, my sister-in-law is a special ed teacher outside of Detroit with a masters from U of M — I know of what I speak). Hey, I know public interest lawyers and public defenders that make a lot less than you. Not all lawyers work in the private sector. And I assure you, if it weren’t for some sense of prestige, no one would want to be a judge.

    I am in downtown Atlanta. I can’t speak for wherever you are, or the rest of the country, but here:

    http://www.gacharters.org/uncategorized/charter-schools-performing-well-in-georgia/

    It is no secret that charter schools in Georgia, especially independent public charter schools, outperform their peers in traditional public schools here. Inner-city schools here are abysmal, highly funded, and unionized.

    I went to Duke for law on scholarship and graduated in the mid 90s. I doubt there’s a fair comparison with your in-state public tuition. It seems to me most grads (who;s parents didn’t fund) carried at least $150k or so in debt after graduation. How about your peers?

    Now, you’ve gone off point Rabbitt. Rather than a Bitch-a-thon about how hard you have it, how about a correlation between unions and perforamance. You could always do something different and if you’re as good as you say, then maybe it is the union that’s holding you back from what you’ve been receiving.

    There’s no comparison between our professions. Frankly, you want early retirment, pensions and paid benefits, then by all means keep on with it as long as they’re offered. I want to know what parade of horribles will befall the public education community if its deunionized.

    (For my own edification, I wouldn’t mind you showing me where the cottage industry in legal community for suing public teachers has arisen while you’re at it).

  104. I think my old buddy Rabbit is caught between a rock and a hard place Tigre.

    No doubt most public schools are an abject failure. But here’s the truth and the bottom line. No matter how good Rabbit is, and I”ll bet he’s not only a good teacher but a popular one too (smart and humorous), he can’t overcome imbeciles for parents.

    You Tigre are a more capable and educated parent than most parents who send their kids through the public tit ringer. Good on you, because if America needs anything first, it needs good parents.

    My sister does the same thing Rabbit does for a living, and you wouldn’t believe the horror stories she has passed on about how poorly these kids are prepared each day. Broken homes, drugs, idiot parents. neglect of life’s basic emotions.

    ‘m guessing you and your wife send your kids to charter schools for the same reasons my wife and I did with our kids – higher quality parents leads to higher quality education.

    My kids never saw a public school (one still hasn’t that is in college), and a major reason for that is because public schools are full of parental assholes like Graychin and Yeller Dawg, irreligious and scoffing meddlers and hucksters, who believe that they know how to raise and educate children. Busy bodies and elitists for administration. I loathe those types.

    Can you imagine your children sharing a classroom with other children whose mom is one of those skanks for mothers from Fat Grannies? Women scorned and full of man hating rage? You pray their children are daughters, because the sons would be so beaten down, they’d look and act like Pee Wee Herman.

  105. “It is no secret that charter schools in Georgia, especially independent public charter schools, outperform their peers in traditional public schools here. Inner-city schools here are abysmal, highly funded, and unionized.”-Tigre

    I went (commuted) to school on the GI Bill in the 90’s as well. So, a direct comparison isn’t probably possible. 150,000 is about the norm for a Masters plus 30 grad credits. I’m telling you, the difference isn’t much.

    Let’s take two Duke college kids right now. It’s your fucking school. What’s the cost of an education degree plus a masters plus 30 grad credits? Compare it to 4 years at Duke and a JD. Then lets look at average starting salaries. All I’m asking is a honest conversation. Let’s have it.

    Your damn right it’s no secret. They are competing against other inner city schools. Way to set the bar high for your kids scores. They do pretty good under the backdrop of Mad Max’s Thunder-Dome.

    I would love to see your kids’ school’s test scores and compare them to upper class suburbs. Unless you are sending your kids to a very expensive charter school (we used to call them private schools, except now they take tax dollars), I doubt you will see much success. I know the teacher turn over in charter schools is abysmal.

    I have also noticed more and more madrases and black nationalist schools, thanks to your charter school love.

    Perhaps if you win you next big case (I suggest going after public schools) you can move to one of the nicest states in the union. I found a good school for your kids. A charter school funded with tax dollars. Here it is.

    http://www.manta.com/c/mt4ld3c/nation-of-islam-school

    Performance my ass. I will say it again. I’ve taught the same class in two different schools in the exact same way. At my current school, I’m not sure it’s statistically possible to ask for higher scores on standardized testing. At my old school, my scores were horrid. You don’t see a problem with this?

    I could easily pull a Poolman, and go to some leftist website showing the dismal failure of charter schools. You would then go to a conservative site showing data that charter schools are incredible. It’s all been very politicized.

    I say lets use are own common sense. Charter schools are an awesome alternative in the inner city. They are refuge for kids where society as we know it has completely broken down.

    However, if your charter schools are so ideal, why are they a joke when compared to upper middle class suburban public schools? And, trust me, they are.

    I beg of you to research your test scores at the charter school your kids go to.

  106. Rabbitt, we had a challenge. And you’re shifting the debate. My “beloved” charter school — the ones for My kids, not the one for Nation of Islam retards — way, way out performs the surrounding City of Atlanta school.

    When you say, “they are competing against other inner city schools. Way to set the bar high for your kids scores. . . ” You make my point. Where’s the correlation between unions and performance.

    Now where do I go for the lawsuits. If I’m going to change my practice area, I gots to know. Maybe I can send my kids to schwanky private schools (that aren’t unionized).

  107. “You make my point. Where’s the correlation between unions and performance.”

    And I throw it back to you. Where is the correlation between union and lack of performance?

    You actually think that it’s the union that is failing the inner city schools? The inner city is failing inner city schools. Go sub a day in one.

    Hey, maybe I’m wrong about special education lawsuits. Ask around. I’ve seen total bull shit lawsuits. But, who am I?

    I notice your pretty defensive over the fact that maybe, just maybe, lawyers are part of the problem too.

    The red carpet is rolled out for any Special Education child. The amount of money spent on Special Education is growing out of control every year. And its hurting kids with real disabilities.

    Yup, most “disabilities” are total bull shit.

    Mainstreaming Special Education kids, with the weight of law behind it, is crippling classrooms. I teach a class with 18 out of 35 kids in special ed. Trust me, if it wasn’t for you lawyers, we teachers would be able to say enough is enough.

  108. “because the sons would be so beaten down, they’d look and act like Pee Wee Herman.” -Tex

    That cracked me up.

  109. Re 120.

    Tex, that fat whiner should have called the Governor’s bluff. Teachers fall right into the hands of those who want to break the union with this “We do it gbecuase we love it” crap.

    Why is this the only profession that necessitates the laws of a free market economy be sidelined for vague warm and fuzzy emotion.

    I do it because of my pension and summers off. Everyone always gasps with horror when I say that. Take my pension and summers away, and I’m out.

    The thing is, I’m all for cuts. Broke is broke. We took at 15% cut last year. If we have to take another one, so be it.

    But two things get my blood boiling. My pension was a contract backed by the government. And we have a right to collective bargaining. Hell, if need be, tax my pension. But a deal was a deal. Those two things are what would get me to show up at the Wisconsin “day of rage”.

  110. We need Rutherford back so I can get back to being a right wing wing-nut. This liberal Rabbit shit is for the birds.

  111. “I notice your pretty defensive over the fact that maybe, just maybe, lawyers are part of the problem too.”

    I am never defensive when lawyers are the problem. I just don’t see it or belive that’s the case here. Moreover, “the lawyers” is too broad. Someone pursues the suits, judges permit them to proceed, legislatures enact stautes that create causes of action, and some defendenat’s have it coming to them etc. Alll it takes to file a lawsuit is $150 and a signature. Prosecuting one and prevailing is another matter. Where did the laws and regulations governing the mainstreaming of special ed students come from? (hint: not private practice lawyers — which is why asked about who you knew personally that has been sued).

    Rabbitt, we’re obviously missing each other. I see obscenely unqualified teachers protected by unions with lock-step pay increases, benefits and tenure. From what I can tell, you ain’t one of them. I wonder whether you’d do better without your union that negoitiates for professionals as though they were tradesmen or fungible. I also see that they negiotitate a system that ensure shitty teachers stay, and advance. If that ain’t so, help me see the light. Really. That’s my only point. There’s no need to compare professions — I know I’m better than you as a person and should have a better life because I have title and a bar card. 😛

    I do know that environment is at the core of the performance equation among students. You asked for informtion and I gave it to you. I a am a parent and don’t bother with much when it comes to things that don’t affect their education. I can’t speak to the unspeakable charter schools in other areas. However, I know we have some dumbfucker public shool teachers that make more than they deserve and have complete job security. Why is that?

    Most importantly, you cleaned jizz out of shower drains and complain about your treatement as a teacher? In my book, you should get the first million no matter what you do.

  112. Oh yeah..and now….for my last but most powerful red herring…this fucking guy was a lawyer. I want my 5% yellowdog pay cut back.

  113. ” I see obscenely unqualified teachers protected by unions with lock-step pay increases, benefits and tenure.”

    They are a rarity. They really are. But when they do crop up….boy is it terrible. I’d say 2% fall under this category.

    I’m fucking around with the “you lawyers” stuff. In fact, if you knew the details that are going on in my life right now, your profession should be the last one I’d be ripping on.

  114. “you cleaned jizz out of shower drains and complain about your treatement as a teacher?”

    I’m laughing out loud at that.

    This is the messed up thing. I find teaching to be bar none the easiest job I have ever, ever done. It was easy from day 1. I haven’t written a referral for a kid in 5 years. It’s annoying some days, but thanks to my Union, I dial in a sick day when I feel I can’t be a positive person. I rarely get disrespected. And I can take a joke here and there at my expense.

    If the Union goes, everything else does. Because I know there is no way to accurately judge performance.

    When I worked in Virgina’s Department of Correctional Education it was hell on earth. Believe it or not, it wasn’t the students.Iit was the way we got treated by the bureaucratic machine.

    They made me “gang intelligence” coordinator on my first day there. When I told them this wasn’t in my job description they laughed at me. But, I was in the South now. What could I do? I saw an old lady, my partner, get the shit kicked out of her due to a situation we reported numerous times. The union would have saved her career.

    I was actually pretty good at that job for a white boy. But I quit. I swear if it was unionized, it would have been a career I could have stuck with.

  115. “I’ll bet the teachers union supported the honorable Mr. Kilpatrick! ”

    lol. You are probably right. I despise the NEA and the MEA.

  116. Good day fellow Americans. My 2 cents on the education debate. I have other thoughts regarding unions based on my own experiences, but from a layman’s POV…

    I attended 9 different schools before I graduated HS in 1975. My 2 girls started out home schooled, then when to private school and finally public schools, first in Texas and then in AZ public schools.

    Out of those experiences, I can say I have seen all types of curriculums and teaching styles. My conclusion is that the home life is the foremost factor regarding the ability of any student to excel. The second greatest influence is the actual teacher presenting the elements of education. Everything else affecting learning falls behind those two components.

    I think our society favors the wealthy in every way. Justice and equality take a back seat in the USofA today. Until we fix that, the pieces/parts are going to keep falling off this ride.

  117. Damn, I never thought I’d be saying this….

    My conclusion is that the home life is the foremost factor regarding the ability of any student to excel. The second greatest influence is the actual teacher presenting the elements of education. Everything else affecting learning falls behind those two components.

    Poolman is correct in my opinion. Every once in a while, a kid can overcome a bad home environment. But far more often than not, if the home sucks, academics will suck. Teacher’s ability is second.

    Which gets me back to my original point. Money, or lack thereof, is not the problem of the public school system. It’s horrid parenting first and foremost.

  118. I need to track it down but I heard a quote from the Muslim Brotherhood on Meet the Press this morning that did not sound too “brotherly”. Sounded like standard issue Sharia BS. Oh well, so much for their moderate influence. 😦

  119. Regarding G’s video at 56, good vid of the military doing its job. Whether we should be there any longer while we’re going broke at home is another story. But FWIW, the boys know what they are doing. I don’t like war but if it’s gotta happen I’m a big fan of kill or be killed. And in that vid, we did the killin’.

    The soundtrack was great too …. I know that damn song that played toward the middle of the video but I can’t place it.

  120. The two three luckiest breaks in my entire life, and they have been the only lucky ones but they were huge, are my country of birth, my parents and my wife.

    Thanks Tex ,,,, I adapted that to fit my own circumstances. I don’t find America perfect but I’m damn glad I was born here and damn glad to live here now.

  121. But, its a no go right now. Her depth perception is too messed up.

    Rabbit I may be talking out of my ass but I’m pretty sure you can drive even if legally blind in one eye. Her depth perception, as far as I know will not improve because you need two working eyes to have depth perception. Still, I don’t think that disqualifies driving because I think there are ways to compensate.

    Because of severe paresis in my right eye lid (lid droop), my right eye is next to useless. I can see out of it but having had the droopy lid my whole life, the eye went “lazy” on me. As a result I can’t focus both eyes at the same time. If I focus with my right eye, my left eye goes on holiday. If I focus with my left (which I usually do) my right eye takes a hike. So my depth perception is not perfect but not completely gone. I drive with no problem. If I had full depth perception, I probably would drive better but without even knowing it, I use alternate methods to measure how close I am to the car in front of me.

    I also naturally align my soda can with the glass before I pour. I’ve always done it … never thought twice about it … but it is probably because if I don’t align carefully, I’ll miss the glass altogether.

    I’m no doctor but that’s my personal experience. Your wife will adjust, my friend. It take patience. Hang in there.

  122. By the way, the biggest PITA about the droopy lid is that I look drunk in 50% of my photos … my 2nd grade picture is a doozy. I look like I just came off a major bender. 😀

  123. does your wife have a regular exercise routine?

    She struggles with exercise and self-maintenance in general. Full time job plus catering to my daughter and my sorry ass. On the good side, she doesn’t smoke or drink.

  124. “R”,

    Did you wife get a complete blood and plasma composition before starting her tests, including ion imbalance? Things like calcium, sodium, magnesium?

    P.S. – you need to make time for her for an exercise program. You can not afford (in a lot of ways) for her not to, and I guarantee after a short time, she would feel much better – even walks.

    By the way, I’m reading a financial book right now which I will share you should scare the heck out of every American. When I’m done, I’ll provide a possible solution to a man who correctly called the tech and real estate bubbles. He’s calls 2007 – 2010 not a recovery, but a start of a collapse.

  125. My Dad spent 30 years as a teacher and department head in a junior high school in Bedford Stuyvesant (Brooklyn, NY). For the most part, he hid from me how hard his job was. His school was less school and more “control center” … just trying to keep the lid on sh*t so no one got hurt.

    During my Freshman year in college, he got mugged walking from the school to his car, I’m pretty sure the kid was a former student. In recent years, he’s told me about a “neighborhood leader” who ran roughshod over the school and the school administration could do nothing about it. This leader was sort of a “Guardian Angel” Curtis Sliwa type. A big shot in the community. He’d “patrol” the hallways. He had absolutely no business being there. But he was never forced to stay out of the building.

    It’s a complicated issue. Unions have been guilty of over reach (I said so on the “radio” today and of course met with disagreement). By the same token, until you’ve taught in a ghetto school, you don’t know jack about how dangerous the situation is. Those teachers should get treated like cops.

  126. I suppose I should feel guilty, but I don’t. I’m whooping some fat granny ass right now…

    G, please elaborate. I refuse to go there to witness it … shall never return there again.

  127. Rutherford, use a proxy and read it. It’s great reading and you know your curiosity is killing you. Gorilla and Tigre have been blistering the chunky, wrinkled asses with authority and logic. Sends the nags into hysteria. Just a matter of time before the two of them join me in purgatory.

    But they made a little progress. A couple of the woman who aren’t regulars and aren’t part of Shit Kitchen told them basically they were witches too. Even a regular witch named Donna, smarter than the average turd that floats around in that cesspool said the place has go to hell in a hand basket, and that she’s about had enough.

    Maybe I could be like the Tunisian street vendor who lit himself on fire (without the pain, guts or flames, of course). M&H regime of man-hating hags brought down, led by Tex. 😆

    Tyson goes down!

  128. Bedford-Stuy – a neighborhood worthy of Fat Grannies. An absolute abomination, and I haven’t been there since I ate at Peter Luger’s Steakhouse (highly overrated).

    Your dad must have been one butt kicker.

  129. Rutherford, come clean. Your co host is a computer generated program. The woman is so damn predictable.

    Either that or she is a sock puppet that you use to make “Rutherford” look like he isn’t just another partisan snooze.

    A liberal version of one of those magic black balls would be more exciting.

    The chick is ruining the show. But then again, I’m talking to someone who named the show “Leaning Left”. Video tuturials on how deep fry fish at Long John Silvers would get better ratings.

    Let’s do lunch, babe. Here is my card. Get a hold me went you want more then to be a faint echo in a saturated market of predictable partisanship.

  130. I made a purchase the other day that provided me with something very rare: no buyer’s remorse.

    I bought a Nook, one of those E-readers.

    The thing is awesome. I’m actually reading again.

    I just devoured a book called Egypt on the Brink. It was released this January. It’s a great book on modern Egyptian history. I re-learned and learned quite a bit.

    I think Egypt is screwed.

    The problem is they already tried the semi-liberal thing once.

    It failed.

    They then gave a shot at Naser led pan-arabism/socialism. Failed.

    Sadat was cool with America but warmed up to Islamists, until they capped his ass.

    Failed.

    Mubarak has gone with the completely corrupt version of capitalism backed by his strong man tactics when he’s not cool and distant.

    Fail.

    The masses have become very conservative, depressed and have no vision.

    The Muslim Bros are somewhat organized but there is no way the army is going to let go if they win elections.

    My odds:

    A new strong man emerges who continues the Sadat-Mubarak foreign policy. (After a bloody crack down) 5/3 odds

    Anarchy. 10/1 odds

    Muslim Bros via Hamas type democratic victory. 4/1 odds

  131. Your dad must have been one butt kicker.

    No, on the contrary, my Dad is one of the gentlest men on the planet. Wimpy in the ways many men measure things, courageous in the ways that matter. When he got mugged it broke my heart. Despite being over 6 feet tall, he was in no way able to fight off the bastards … it just wasn’t in him, Fortunately he didn’t get hurt … just a torn pants pocket and a bloody nose.

    The school changed over the 30 years. I guess as the gradual decline set in, he thought he could handle it there. But he was afraid a lot of the time. But he had (and still has) the damnedest work ethic you’re ever going to see. After he got mugged, he left home a half hour earlier in the morning to get a parking spot closer to the front entrance. When I look back on my career, where the biggest threat to my “safety” was some overbearing boss, I see I’m not half the man my Dad was.

  132. Tex … yeah my wife’s exercise of choice is walking and she’s most dedicated in the good weather months. As for blood work, they’ve measured just about everything that can be measured. Oddly she had a high SED rate which points to rheumatoid arthritis but she doesn’t have any symptoms of arthritis.

    I’m confident the puzzle will be solved. She just needs to be patient and not so disheartened by the slow and steady process it takes to find the answer.

  133. Funny Rabbit, this week we borrowed a Kindle from the local library. They pre-load it with about 30 books. It’s due back on Tuesday. I’ve been reading Keith Richard’s autobiography, the first chapter of which describes a 1970’s drug bust somewhere down South.

    I also have a couple of Kindle e-books on my iPhone. Amazon is kinda odd in that they allow you to read their e-books on multiple platforms so you don’t HAVE to buy a Kindle.

    The Nook saved Barnes and Noble’s ass. Borders just announced bankruptcy and they’re closing their store right near my house which sucks cos they sell some yummy dark chocolate covered grahams which are real hard to find nowadays.

  134. I won’t go into the reasons why I agree with the George Carlin video posted by Poolman BUT this is where George and the M&H crowd goes wrong:

    First, a human embryo is NOT a chicken embryo. This sort of trivialization of human reproduction is exactly what pisses off (rightfully) the pro-life crowd.

    Second, just because some fertilized eggs leave the body via menstruation does not mean that all fertilized eggs are therefore simply expendable.

    Third, contrary to Carlin’s supposition, some stillborn babies are given a proper burial in a cemetery sometimes even called “Baby Jones” on their tombstone.

    This is the crux of the argument I had over at M&H. The pro-choice argument begins and ends with government keeping their nose out of it. Every other argument about how lousy men are, how “I found myself pregnant”, how the embryo is a “bit of tissue not unlike a scab” is pure bull crap, designed to alleviate the discomfort and disgust that everyone should naturally have towards abortion.

    Defending a woman’s ultimate right to make the choice should NOT obscure the fact that it is a terrible choice to make, a choice not always made with the noblest of motives and a choice always accompanied by a sense of grief and loss (at least among decent people).

  135. Rutherford, I don’t get how you walk on the edge of this razor.

    Little fingers with little finger nails…

    They are defenseless humans being murdered by adults for usually the most trite reasons imaginable.

    Imagine murdering someone so that tuition would be cheaper. Or killing a coworker to get more overtime because you really need the money.

  136. This book that I’m reading is pointing out in great detail how much the American citizen is being lied to about this economy, the Bush economy, the Clinton economy.

    How bogus many of these statistics are. Get this. The way GDP is measured, did you guys know that Hurricane Katrina increased the Gross Domestic Product in America. I didn’t know this, but it’s a measure of all monetary transactions conducted in America – foreign or domestic. WTH?

  137. Pictorial proof Obama has restored the global glory of the U.S. HA HA HA!

    Let’s be honest. In the past two years, Obama has not substantially changed the foreign policy of Bush. If they didn’t like America under Bush, they’re not gonna like us now. And they’re smarter than we figured …. just having a leader who looks more like them doesn’t carry much weight.

    I don’t think you will find too many progressives who are thrilled with Obama’s foreign policy record. Definitely not the hope and change we voted for. 😉

  138. Re: 179,

    And we’ve made that bed so comfy for so long, too.

    Yeah, Pakistan is none too happy with their latest prisoner turning up to be CIA’s top operative in their country promoting the local terrorism and directing the drone strikes. But hey, who knows terrorism better than we do? We may not have invented it, but we sure have fine-tuned it. I understand he’s singing and the Pakistanis are protecting him to make sure he doesn’t suffer a suicide or accidental poisoning.

    Oh, what a tangled web…

  139. Rabbit, let me follow up on the razor’s edge that you say I’m walking regarding abortion.

    Maybe this picture is melodramatic but let me paint if for you just the same:

    Roe v Wade overturned.
    All abortions except for those to save life of mother — illegal.
    Your daughter gets pregnant.
    Your daughter says “OMG, Dad’s gonna kill me.”
    Your daughter either douches with a toxic substance or
    Your daughter uses a coat hanger or
    Your daughter sees some quack to “help” her.
    Your daughter bleeds to death or
    Your daughter develops sepsis and dies that way. (1)

    You’re left with your principles intact and a daughter to bury.

    I’m telling you, the way to combat abortion is through proper counseling (either pre-or post-intercourse), and family/community support. You don’t want the law involved in this. We’ve been there and the results were not good.

  140. It is unsupported speculation that Gadhafi is anywhere but Libya. And even if he is out of the country, you can bet he is still in complete control.

  141. It is unsupported speculation that Gadhafi is anywhere but Libya. And even if he is out of the country, you can bet he is still in complete control.

    Did seem a little too easy to run him off after 30+ years, didn’t it? For all we know, he could be on vacation.

    Now if they run his head up a flagpole….

  142. Rutherford,

    Since you agree Obama has simply continued on with Bush policy when he campaigned on just the opposite, and in fact has multiplied policy times 3 in Afghanistan, pushing into Pakinstan with very limited success short of drone strikes, can we now confirm that either Obama is (1) a liar and/or (2) incompetent as Commander-in-Chief?

    In fact, Obama has created more ill will in Afghanistan and Pakistan and has proven he is incapable as deaths have escalated under Obama’s watch in Afghanistan, etc…

    And Obama has been an abject failure concerning Iran, where they now laugh at him and call him stupid. This is what “dialogue” will get you with radical Islam.

  143. Rutherford, so they like Obama but hate America?

    Let’s cut the crap. Obama got b-slapped by the myth that our enemies will embrace us if we indulge them and apologize for the prior administration (particularly with self-loathing, anti-American sentiment). The fact that Mr. Hope and Change only became aware of it after his election should signal something to the left, i.e. the Skittle-shitting Unicorn Doctrine paves the road to perdition.

    Pfffft. Smarter than “we” figured my ass.

  144. Tigre,

    Good job at Fat Grannies. The more they see that their idea of group think is really minimal, that many of them are congenital liars and it is widely recognized, the sooner we marginalize that POS posing as mainstream. It’s the bottom of the dregs.

    Frankly, I’m surprised you and Gorilla weren’t summarily booted. Not only are the upstanding members of Fat Grannies rank propagandists and liars, they are some of the biggest cowards on earth. They don’t venture too far from the nest.

  145. Tex,

    You subscribe to the belief that our president actually has control of our foreign policy, right? I think he’s just walking on eggshells. So I pick choice number (3) holds no real power, CIC in name only. Bill Hicks said it best…

    This has new realeased JFK assassination video at the end. watch the driver at 317.

  146. Tex, those people really are scary. Seeing that Poolman is one of them, I can longer pay attention to anything he says. Just bizzaro. And what gives with all of the eat pie, drink tea shit? Is that code or some lame cutesy-tootsie signal among fat grannies?

  147. Fat Grannies represents the amoral and immoral sycophantic rubes of America Tigre, with no redeeming qualities whatsoever (for the most part). I’ve never seen a site misrepresent blatant lies as fact like those cellulite-ridden glue-factory hags do. In combination with room temperature IQs from the bleating sheep crowd, always taking their cue from the Molly Ivins wannabee blog owner, it’s like watching fatal car wreck over and over.

    And what gives with all of the eat pie, drink tea shit? Is that code or some lame cutesy-tootsie signal among fat grannies?

    Since most of the regulars over there look like they haven’t missed dessert in 20 years from their blog pictures, maybe its a neurotic food psychosis. I’d guess most of them consume a pie or two a day. 🙂

  148. “You subscribe to the belief that our president actually has control of our foreign policy, right? ”

    Not as long as the president is Barack Obama.

  149. Word is that shit regarding Libya is changing literally by the minute and that the next 24 hrs will be critical.

  150. Ok Rutherford. Your mass epidemic of women accidentally killing themselves by performing home brewed abortions is exaggerated and you know it.

    However, even if I bought into your hysteria, it wouldn’t matter.

    Tex introduced me to the “real” pro choice crowd.

    Now I know why your Plan B to the clothes hanger is a genocide.

    Millions and millions of babies killed over for the sake of materialism. The dead bodies of these poor things joked about by the militant pro choice crowd.

    By the way, you can be damn sure that my daughter would be taught what human life is and why murder is wrong.

    I know my son will be looking at what an abortion really is at a young age.

  151. Morocco, Algeria, Libya, Syria, Jordon, Saudi, Yemen,Tunisia, Egypt, Bahrain, Iraq., Iran … Israel.. they all fall down.
    Tick Tock….

  152. Want to know what a country with illegal abortions and illegal birth control looks like? Look at the Philippines. Massive over population, massive starvation, and tens of thousands of maternal deaths due to back street, witch doctor, clothes hanger abortions every year.

  153. ‘By the way, you can be damn sure that my daughter would be taught what human life is and why murder is wrong.”

    Spoken by a regressive who is against public health services, school lunches or anything else to help once an impregnation has taken place.

    Hypocrite. Care about babies??? No! Care about fascist control of others in areas that are none of your business.

  154. Let me know when the US is so overpopulated and suffering from massive starvation that immigration is actually enforced.

  155. “Spoken by a regressive who is against public health services, school lunches or anything else to help once an impregnation has taken place.”

    Is that true Rabbit? Has the illiterate Phd got you figured out?

  156. “You subscribe to the belief that our president actually has control of our foreign policy, right? ”

    Not as long as the president is Barack Obama.

    ** GUFFAW **

    I see Huck answered appropriately enough that no further comment is required.

  157. Well, I will give Yellowdog at least a little credit. He never seems to impregnate the hairy prostates he pounds and, thus, has never paid the 250 dollar baby murder fee.

  158. Want to know what a country with illegal abortions and illegal birth control looks like? Look at the Philippines. Massive over population, massive starvation, and tens of thousands of maternal deaths due to back street, witch doctor, clothes hanger abortions every year.

    Why don’t you do your progressive patriotic duty and off yourself?

    I’ll apologize for every negative thing I’ve ever said about you Bottle Filler and provide a “letter of commendation” to be read at the joyous occasion of your demise.

    Just do It!

  159. Rabbit,

    The reason Yeller Dawg has never had to seek the service of abortion is two fold: (1) Nobody would dare let him do the dirty deed, no matter how much the offer in cash (2) It is redundant to abort an abortion.

  160. Here Fake, since you still lurk. The answer to your question, or more specifically you asking the inappropriate question, mainly because the irreligious like you don’t frame the question correctly.

    When you postulate a God who created everything, is omniscient and omnipotent, then you have to ask the question, Why does God allow evil? More importantly, why did he create it (since he created everything)? I know the standard answers, but I also know that even Christians find those answers strangely unsatisfying.

    P.S. – faith is not postulating…There is no need to assert I AM.

  161. “Let me know when the US is so overpopulated and suffering from massive starvation that immigration is actually enforced.”

    So all those people who get food stamps, go to food pantries, the kids who get reduced or free school lunches are illegal immigrants, the lazy, “not like us”. It’s OK if they don’t eat – but they must have babies. Rationalization is so easy when you are regressive.

  162. ” I said nothing of the sort”
    that is exactly what you said… sounds bad when repeated huh?

    “Following Dog’s logic we should murder the kids on free lunch”

    Not my logic – his… that is precisely what regressives would like to do – just cut off those funds and let them starve- or have you not been paying attention to what Boner and his thugs are doing in your name?

  163. Your friend Raji appears about on par with your intellect Al-Poolman. Those kinds of stories may play clever in lib circles, but as always the Fat Granny audience logic, of which you play no small part, is flawed because you hold no cards – public finance by definition is public.

    First, we the taxpayers own the building. So what I will propose that we will is charge each teacher $150.00 a day for class space. Second, the “babysitter” will be charged for supplies such as toilet paper, lights, water, heat. That should amount to another $200 a day. Ancillary and miscellaneous taxpayer expense for chairs, tables, and creative supplies – $40.00. Administrative fees for paper work, secretarial work, arranging teacher’s meetings another $40.00 a day. My parking lot – you pay. Twenty bucks a day.

    The net amount of payment being about $75.00 a day x 180 days = $13,500 a year.

    But, the public school instructor will be expected to pay liability insurance of $1,500.00 a month for nine months, netting each teacher the grand sum of…

    …. nothing.

    If the instructor happens to own a master’s degree, it will be deemed unnecessary and frivolous to babysit.

  164. Yeller Dawg, I’ll bet you are one pissed off mofo this evening about Wisconsin. Does it bring back memories of “right to work” we voters foisted upon union rubes like you?

    Buwahahahahahaha….Bust those union balls.

    Here’s the height of irony Dawg Hair: your real leader George Soros accusing FOX News of using “Nazi tactics” to push an agenda.

    Well, Lucky George Soros ought to know a thing or two about Nazi tactics, being he spent his entire youth learning the trade, even selling his own mother in the trade. 😉

  165. Hey Tex,

    It was a joke, but I’ll play your game…

    We’ll handle it like we always do in my line of work:

    Pass the “savings” on down to the customer.

    BTW, kudos on the video at 206. Take it to heart.

  166. 206 is real preaching Al-Poolman. I don’t know why you wouldn’t think I don’t take it to heart, as I’m the one that provided it.

    You’ve got the customer model all wrong. The teacher is “the customer” in my example. Maybe that explains why you’re putting fewer holes in the ground. Give the choice to the parent about where they’d like to send their children to school with vouchers, and we’ll see how many of those “babysitters” remain.

    By the way, it may have been a joke to you, but Raji’s ilk actually thinks this way, explaining why most of those rubes are dirt poor.

    Boy, are goons like Raji in for a rude awakening. :mrgreen:

  167. I really thought you had a better grasp on capitalism, Tex.

    The students’ parents are the customers. The “teacher” is providing the “service.” You’re just advocating renting the facilities like a landlord would.

    Wake up!

  168. Let’s play the dog’s game a while.

    Dog….since you suggest that the Philippines suffers from “massive over population and starvation” because it does not permit abortions, does that mean we can assume that you are in favor of state-mandated abortion to correct that problem?

    I ask it that way because simply giving someone the choice whether or not to abort a pregnancy does not cure the problems you laid out. Some may not choose to do it.

    The only way the topic of abortion is going to cure those issues if if you force abortions. Which your logic obviously favors.

    “Care about fascist control of others in areas that are none of your business.”

    You mean like the food I eat?

  169. “that is exactly what you said… sounds bad when repeated huh?”

    Like hell I did. Why don’t you back and read what you wrote.

    Now, are we facing over-population and starvation like in the Phillipines? If that’s what’s motivating abortion and your fearfor this country, one might wonder why we would be expanding the population through immigration. If not, then you don’t have a point.

    God you’re dumb.

  170. “Rabbit, I just found the answer to your teacher’s salary dilemma. You just need to change your job description. It would better fit the position you likely find yourself in most days. ” -Poolman

    I don’t get it. You linked to that vile sight where you and your buddies laugh at abortions and those who revile baby murder.

    Were you trying to get my IP address or something?

  171. Al Poolman. 😆 You’re going to preach to me about capitalism? You? You want me to wake up? That’s parody, right?

    Al-Poolman, who sells luxury items in deep recession. 😈

    What I did wake up to last week was a sad story of someone choosing between lighting the house and paying the internet bill. That’s called one step from Chapter 7 sport, failed business model, and abject poverty.

    Mine, I don’t mean to be laughing at hardship, but uh, I don’t think you ought to making a big thing of understanding capitalism.

    But I sure wish for one moment I was still obtaining my MBA again, so I could use you as a model of what not to do. Textbook case.

  172. “Rabbit, I just found the answer to your teacher’s salary dilemma”

    By the way, I’m not sure I was very clear on this. I don’t have a salary dilemma. I took a 15% hair cut last year. I’m willing to do it again. The state is broke and I understand that. In my neck of the woods, I’m happy just to be working.

    My beef revolves around collective bargaining. Most conservatives don’t see it my way, but I believe it is a natural right. Fire us if you don’t like it. But you can’t make it unlawful. To me, it is another instance of government intrusion and a suppression of freedom.

    Secondly, I believe the government should uphold any deal it makes with it’s citizens. That includes pensions. If legitimacy means anything to the government, they better not treat me like a Navajo.

  173. Hey dog…should the Philippines stop at state-mandated infanticide or should it go even further? I mean…why stop at killing the unborn to cure such a sweeping problem?

    How about old people? I mean, what good are they? They can’t work or contribute to society. All they do is eat and take up space. Which means they are a part of the problem, right?

    Should they be killed?

    How about the mentally and physically handicapped? They don’t contribute anything either. Just a bunch of worthless bodies eating, shitting, and existing in a place where doing so adds to a problem.

    Should they be killed, too?

    How far are you willing to go to cure the problem of overpopulation and starvation in the Philippines? Every burden on society?…or just unborn babies?

    Sounds bad when repeated, doesn’t it?

  174. You’re going to preach to me about capitalism?

    No preaching. Just thought as smart as you claim to be, you might understand the fundamentals. I guess I do still take some things for granted. 😆

  175. I believe the government should uphold any deal it makes with it’s citizens. That includes pensions. If legitimacy means anything to the government, they better not treat me like a Navajo.

    Rabbit, you’re not a history teacher, are you?
    No, really…
    Good luck with that.

  176. Mullah Poolman,

    Not to beat a dead horse or anything, but between you and the Dawg Hair, shoving your collective brains up a gnat’s ass would be like throwing a B-B into a boxcar.

    Intellect is not required to debate with you. Between you, Fake and Dawg Hair, my mind immediately reverts to autopilot, like watching a dull movie and my eyes keep rolling into the back of head.

  177. but good luck with the swimming pools..No really….Good luck with that..hey, if you need some help I’ll pay your internet and cable bill for you, son.

  178. DR, what are your thoughts on right-to-work states?

    Are you as opposed to government forcing you into a union as you are against government prohibiting you from one?

  179. Thanks for the concern guys, but it looks like things are on the mend. I have quite a few leads coming in and am working on a few residential and one commercial bid.

    One thing about building pools I really like. When the day is done, I can actually point to something beautiful that I helped accomplish. There is a certain satisfaction in that. 😉

  180. By the way, care to explain comment 210? I really don’t get it.

    It eluded to being paid to babysit and that would derive more income that teaching.

  181. “There is a certain satisfaction in that. “-Poolman

    Man is that the truth. You have no idea how much I miss leaving work, looking at a brand new roof. Tangible shit is the best.

  182. I still haven’t taken a recent peek at M&H. Proxy or no proxy Tex, any site that edits the comments of its readers without acknowledging that edit, or without the reader’s express permission, is beneath contempt. If you don’t like a comment on a blog, you delete it. If you choose to edit it, you place an “Editors note” on it to explain why you did it. I’ve edited comments on this blog either because the commenter wrote me privately and asked me to, or because it was so offensive that I felt compelled to, in which case I gave a conspicuous note on the comment to tell readers that it was not the commenters original work.

    Alfie once deleted a video I posted to his blog but he acknowledged the edit. I can respect that. So bottom line, I can’t bring myself to take another peek at M&H.

    With that said, without having seen the to and fro, I want to thank Gorilla and Tigre for giving them hell. I tried to be reasonable over there and they are so f*cked in the head that they don’t even know who their friends are.

    Rabbit, please don’t judge the pro-choice debate by those paranoid man-hating selfish ideologues. And don’t judge the pro-choice debate by the extraneous stuff that gets thrown in, whether it be misandrist arguments, worries about over population, trivialization of the wonder that is human conception. Rabbit, all of that is noise that leads pro-life people to the wrong solution.

    I’m telling you … the law isn’t going to fix this. It’s the hair trigger solution … F*CK! PUT THEM IN JAIL! The real solution is much harder. Counsel kids about birth control and abstinence. When a kid or woman becomes pregnant, provide a support system that makes the pregnancy optimal for woman and baby, Postpartum, provide support that either enables parenthood or enables adoption.

    THAT is where the focus must be Rabbit. Making laws about it may satisfy your sense of right and wrong but it isn’t the right way to go. A woman must be left to make her own decision BUT that decision should be made in an overwhelming climate of pro-birth, pro-parenting and pro-adoption.

  183. On a different topic, I usually watch The Colbert Report for a good laugh but I saw something today that royally pissed me off.

    Apparently, big corporations are paying their bills to small businesses on a Net 60, Net 90 and Net 120 basis. This was stated in an interview Colbert did with an author of an article about it.

    I turned to my wife and said WTF???? I put on an invoice, NET 30 and the corporation I’m billing gets to tell me Net 120???

    So you know what I think I should do? Next month when I get my phone bill, my cable bill, my mortgage statement, etc, etc. I’m telling all of them … “I’m paying Net 120 boys. Have a nice day.”

    👿

  184. “Are you as opposed to government forcing you into a union as you are against government prohibiting you from one”?

    How can the government force anyone into a union?

    Red Pill, I believe an employer has the right to hire who ever he wants.

    If an employer, even the government, makes a deal to hire only union workers, its their right. But, when it all comes down to it, it was the employer’s choice.

    There are always some things in a free society, such as when people are allowed to assemble and act collectively, that end up shitty. The key is not to give the government more power to defeat this shityness. The key is to crush the shityness within the framework of freedom.

    Fucking fire everybody!

    If you can’t do that, then maybe the labor is, in fact, worth the pensions/bennies/salary.

    Now what pisses you guys off (and me) is the political kick backs that unions get. The union lobbyist. This needs to be addressed at the voting booth. Most people are not in the union. Wake up America. If you see something you don’t like, get off your ass and vote. But don’t go crawling to the very Nanny that you call out for encroachment on so many other issues.

  185. Rutherford, I simply can’t have this debate within the framework you offer, as respectful and thoughtful as you have become on it.

    A baby in the mothers womb is a human being. Thus, you are making an argument for murder. Murder of the most defenseless.

    Just think a minute if I’m right? Do you understand how much you will be on the wrong side of history. You are nothing more then an eloquent defender of genocide.

    Your plan B to the clothes hanger is NOT working. It’s killing black people by the millions. If abortion was rare and legal, you would at least have some ground to stand on (although not moral).

    But its not!

    Abortion is constant and commonly cosmetic.

    That website IS the pro-life movement.

    They spew a new version of the 18th century argument for the acceptance of slavery, which claimed blacks aren’t fully human.

    You, on the other hand remind me of Jefferson. “Slavery is wrong and will one day just kind of fade away because its so wrong, now let me tap that black ass.”

  186. any site that edits the comments of its readers without acknowledging that edit, or without the reader’s express permission, is beneath contempt.

    You mean like the Two Useful Idiot’s Blog known euphemistically as “The Great Spot”, replete with requests for real debate, where the editors suddenly cramp when challenged about their “facts”, and modify and edit comments without notice?

    Now you can understand why I baited Graychin’s sorry ass over here. Unfortunately, Dawg Shit somehow managed to wriggle over and stink the place up afterwards – a small price to pay to insult Graychin for many months.

    And yes, there is nothing more chicken shit and that is exactly why I loathe Graychin. Arrogant, dishonest and overrated – a reprehensible combination.

    Having said that, Graychin is not stupid like the Ms. Andrists at Fat Grannies.

  187. Now they’ve got us by the balls….

    Muslim leaders warned the United States that

    if military action against Muslim countries continues, they intend to cut off America’s supply of 7-11 and Motel 6 managers. If this action does not yield sufficient results, cab drivers will be next, followed by Dell, ATT and AOL customer service reps. Finally, if all else fails, they have threatened not to send us any more Presidents either.

    This uprising is going to get real ugly, people.

  188. At a certain point you think you look in the mirror and have a Holy Shit moment.

    “Holy Shit…I’m a foreign mercenary for Moammar fucking Ghadafi and I’m spraying my oozy at demonstrators while my buddy runs them over in his Nissan truck. I’m calling Dad up and asking if I can move back home”.

  189. “Slavery is wrong and will one day just kind of fade away because its so wrong, now let me tap that black ass.” — Thomas Jefferson

    Rabbit, you’re reading some f*cked up history books on that new Nook man! 🙂 By the way, did you buy the color Nook or the monochrome?

  190. I bought the monochrome. And I’m glad I did. I get sick of looking at computer screens. This thing is strictly reading and I like that there are no distractions. The Color Nook is kind of an Ipad “light”, really.

    Plus, the battery lasts for weeks without a charge (if I turn the wi-fi off). I think you have 8 hours on the Nook Color.

  191. “How can the government force anyone into a union?”

    Can you leave your union if you wanted and still keep your government job as a teacher?

    If your school hires a new teacher, can that teacher tell your union “thanks but no thanks”?

  192. And now the important news. I bench pressed 260 5 times for 3 sets. Thats 10 pounds over my weight. I’m one bad ass keyboard cowboy.

  193. “Can you leave your union if you wanted and still keep your government job as a teacher?”

    Absolutely. I know a couple teachers who have done it. I’ve thought about it.

  194. Unless I am mistaken, which I very well may be, that is not the case in California.

    That’s how the government can force you into a union.

  195. No, they didn’t forced anyone into the union. A person chose to work in a closed shop.

    I am little dubious that California is a closed shop. I’ve never heard of that in education.

    Your telling me if someone refuses to pay union dues they get fired as a teacher in Cally?

  196. “Your telling me if someone refuses to pay union dues they get fired as a teacher in Cally?”

    I am doing a small bit of Google research right now and came across this. I can’t speak to its accuracy or bias.

    “There are two ways to resign from the union. You can become a religious/conscientious objector or an agency fee payer.

    To become a religious objector, you must demonstrate a sincere religious objection to union membership. Church membership is not a requirement. Under federal law (Title VII), you will not be required to pay any money at all to the union. You are, however, required to pay an amount equal to union dues to a union-approved charity. This requirement is included in contract language to prevent union members from using this provision to opt out of the union merely to save money. You will need to write a letter to your local union stating your sincere religious beliefs. Please contact the National Right to Work 800-336-3600 for free legal advice.

    The other option you have is that of an agency fee payer. If your employer recognizes a union as an exclusive bargaining agent, the union is legally required to represent you whether or not you remain a union member . In order to pay the union for such representation, you are required by law to pay an “agency fee.” An agency fee is a percentage of dues that the union determines is the amount it costs the union to represent you before your employer in the areas of bargaining, contract administration, and grievances. ”

    Judging by some other things I am reading here it seems the answer to your question is no. I was under a different impression.

    “A person chose to work in a closed shop.”

    And I see that as forcing someone into a union.

    Its always a matter of perspective. I appreciate you sharing yours on this. It drove me to learn something.

  197. “should the Philippines stop at state-mandated infanticide or should it go even further? I mean…why stop at killing the unborn to cure such a sweeping problem?

    How about old people? I mean, what good are they? They can’t work or contribute to society. All they do is eat and take up space. Which means they are a part of the problem, right?

    Should they be killed?

    How about the mentally and physically handicapped? They don’t contribute anything either. Just a bunch of worthless bodies eating, shitting, and existing in a place where doing so adds to a problem.

    Should they be killed, too?

    How far are you willing to go to cure the problem of overpopulation and starvation in the Philippines? Every burden on society?…or just unborn babies”

    that is exactly the current policy of the medieval church and the oligarchs in the PI – and increasingly it would seem in the US.

    The PI needs a revolution to boot out the church and the oligarchs and their goons.

  198. Progressive Party Politic – Hope & Change

    Two-thirds of the eighth graders in Wisconsin public schools cannot read proficiently according to the U.S. Department of Education, despite the fact that Wisconsin spends more per pupil in its public schools than any other state in the Midwest….

    …1998, according to the U.S. Department of Education, Wisconsin public school eighth graders scored an average of 266 out of 500 on the NAEP reading test. In 2009, Wisconsin public school eighth graders once again scored an average of 266 out of 500 on the NAEP reading test. Meanwhile, Wisconsin public schools increased their per pupil expenditures from $4,956 per pupil in 1998 to 10,791 per pupil in 2008. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics inflation calculator the $4,956 Wisconsin spent per pupil in 1998 dollars equaled $6,546 in 2008 dollars. That means that from 1998 to 2008, Wisconsin public schools increased their per pupil spending by $4,245 in real terms yet did not add a single point to the reading scores of their eighth graders and still could lift only one-third of their eighth graders to at least a “proficient” level in reading.

    Yes We Can!

  199. “that is exactly the current policy of the medieval church and the oligarchs in the PI – and increasingly it would seem in the US.

    The PI needs a revolution to boot out the church and the oligarchs and their goons.”

    I see. So your population control methods only include infanticide.

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