Being on the Right Side of History

February 4, 2011 at 1:38 am 244 comments

While enjoying my morning dose of MSNBC chatter the other day I heard Richard Haass, President of the Council on Foreign Relations say something interesting about the conflict in Egypt. He basically said that we’re all way too quick to declare which “side of history” is the right side and the wrong side. “Being on the right side of history”, Mr. Haass says, is an awfully overused phrase.

Being a card carrying liberal, being on the right side of history has always been one of my rallying cries. Mr. Haass’ remarks made me rethink that for a moment. In Egypt we have a  leader who has clearly outstayed his welcome. However for the past 30 years, he has served America’s interests quite well. For that matter, we have no idea what follows should Hosni Mubarak abandon his office. So as I’ve said in a prior post, we are indeed between a rock and a hard place in how we react to this situation.

On a more philosophical note, where exactly do  we get off telling any nation how to conduct its affairs and who should lead it? I don’t have an easy answer for this question either. Leaders provide leadership. The United States is a world leader. So is it incumbent upon us to provide advice to any country in time of crisis? Clearly, doing so can cut both ways. It has been noted that in an interview with ABC’s Christiane Amanpour, Mubarak’s body language betrayed a frustration with perceived lack of support from his longtime ally, the USA. By the same token, it appears that the “people” demanding change are not satisfied with what they view as a less than full-throated advocacy from Obama.

Some conservatives and even some liberals are angry that Obama and his White House didn’t get on top of this situation when unrest first stirred in Tunisia. In the words of my blogger friend Gorilla of “The 800lb Gorilla”:

Obama’s failure to cool the situation and work in structured change with the leaders- using carrots and sticks- has allowed the situation to get out of control.
via Sleeping Through 3 A.M. « The 800lb Gorilla.

I have even heard the liberal media call the White House flat-footed when it comes to the Cairo uprising. Again, I have to ask myself what could we really have done and what should we have done? While Egypt’s future has tremendous impact on us, it is by the same token really none of our business.

So here we sit relatively helpless to effect a positive outcome in the Middle East. Hindsight is 20/20 and the only way to know you were on the right side of history is with hindsight. For the time being, all we really can do with any moral authority is ask the Egyptians to stop killing each other.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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  • 1. an800lbgorilla  |  February 4, 2011 at 6:31 am

    R, considering we’ve witnessed now the ramifications of Carter on foreign policy, I think that plethora of 20/20 hindsight should have been than readily available for dealing with the crisis in Tunisia, and now Egypt.

    Obama is pushing Mubarak out almost as fast as the protesters are. Can you name ANY other world leader calling for the same? And all of this is happening before we have any idea who would fill the void left behind Mubarak’s departure. All we know right now is that the Muslim Brotherhood is, and has been, the primary opposition to Mubarak.

    This isn’t some college campus where pontification on theoretic actions to rile up uninformed, inexperienced and immature students is the goal. He’s fucking with the next 30-40 years of Middle Eastern dynamics, and frankly, he’s doing a piss poor job of it. A collegue of mine pondered that maybe having the Brotherhood in power wouldn’t be as bad a thing as we might think, to which my response was, “well, it’s worked so grand for the societies under HAMAS and Hezbollah.”

    This Administration is clearly in way over their head. They don’t understand the region, the people or the implications of their actions.

  • 2. an800lbgorilla  |  February 4, 2011 at 7:19 am

    Couldn’t resist…

  • 3. an800lbgorilla  |  February 4, 2011 at 7:20 am

  • 4. an800lbgorilla  |  February 4, 2011 at 7:24 am

  • 5. Dan Trabue  |  February 4, 2011 at 9:30 am

    I, for one, think we would be better served by NOT trying to support non-democratic leaders the world over and by NOT trying to impose our will/our puppets the world over.

    Yes, there may be some short term benefits (MAY be), as in having a leader that’s less nutty and less likely to support oppression and terrorism, more likely to be “friendly” to the US. But that can’t last. For every Mubarak who works out for a while, we’re just as likely to get a Hussein, a Pinochet, a Somoza, an Idi Amin, a Botha, a Duvalier, a Noriega…

    And the list goes on. And then, eventually, those regimes will fall and, if they have been oppressive regimes that have received perceived support from the US, what happens when they leave? A greater likelihood that the oppressed will remember and swing further back towards the nuttier/more dangerous types.

    Seems like piss poor foreign policy to me and I think history has borne that out.

  • 6. bvilleyellowdog  |  February 4, 2011 at 9:47 am

    There are now 5 nominally communist countries in the world.
    Laos, Vietnam, North Korea, Cuba, and China. Red flags aside none are really communist. Laos and Vietnam and increasingly China have raging market economies – even Cuba and NK are dabbling in it. Never the less the US has to a greater or lesser extent stuck thier thumb into those places – to net negative effect.

    The dominios we tried so hard to stop are the only ones standing…

  • 7. bvilleyellowdog  |  February 4, 2011 at 9:50 am

    So is monkey really so stupid that he was punked by the Planned Parenthood stuff. Those punksters are on thier way to jail.
    probably still believes the debunked ACORN stories too,

    Oh what the Faux Noise GOP-Teabagger propaganda channel will do to you,

  • 8. Tex Taylor  |  February 4, 2011 at 10:28 am

    Gorilla,

    Isn’t that Breitbart video a piece of work? Has the typical, jaundiced and worthless liberal ever been exposed any better than that?

    Lynching a black man, put him back in the cotton fields? And that’s from the politically correct crowd that finds the dreaded “N Word” :roll: the height of blasphemy. But hey, “string the African-American” up? Why that’s just political dissent! :twisted:

    Their so damn pathetic both visually and in speech, you can’t help but laugh at them. I am telling you that most liberals are mentally ill. I used to make these types cry at work. Get a few Yeller Dawg, Al-Poolman types together, the over-the-hill farts from Margaret and Helen’s blog, bring in the skanks and former Manson girls, tons of college liberal arts majors who can’t find work after spending 200K of dad’s money and have unknown purpose, throw in a few Communists like Van Jones, and you’ve arrived Gomorrah! This is the trash heap of America. I’ll bet the Koch Brothers are just scared shitless!! :razz:

  • 9. Tex Taylor  |  February 4, 2011 at 10:29 am

    Shiite…

    They are; not their dammit!

  • 10. bvilleyellowdog  |  February 4, 2011 at 10:32 am

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/feb/03/middle-east-unrest-glenn-beck

    The Brits do a distillation of reich wing insanity….

  • 11. Tex Taylor  |  February 4, 2011 at 10:48 am

    Obama issues global warming rules in January, gives GE an exemption in February

    Remember this when Libs accuse the Republican Party of being beholden to corporations. B.S. like this is why Obama must be given the boot….and GE needs to be severely punished.

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/02/obama-issues-global-warming-rules-january-gives-ge-exemption-febr

  • 12. an800lbgorilla  |  February 4, 2011 at 11:03 am

    Of course Tex, Obamacare applies to everyone EXCEPT Congress, GE, the Unions and about 900 other entities. Why should we not be surprised that Obama’s “greenhouse” regulations would apply to everyone EXCEPT GE, the Unions…

    I’ve said it a hundred times, and I’ll keep saying it- if it wasn’t for double standards, the left would have no standards

  • 13. Tex Taylor  |  February 4, 2011 at 11:11 am

    Sorry Rutherford to go O.T. – and I’ll get back to the subject.

    But the dishonesty of our government, its sycophants doing the reporting, and how ignorant these SOBs think most Americans has become really annoys me.

    Today, it is reported unemployment miraculously dropped to 9.0% from 9.8% – now that is big news and incredible recovery. Except it was practically a jobless recovery…

    Does the media and the Obama Administration not recognize that not everyone in America is really bad at math? It’s stated 36K jobs were created during the month, dropping the unemployment rate almost a full percentage point. :?:

    So using a little simply formula using their facts of 36,000/.8% = 4,500,000 and assuming for one month the working population of the United States stayed stagnant, I can presume more precisely there are a total of 4.5MM paid jobs accounted for in America? What kind of bullshit mathematics is this?

    There is only one explanation. People are getting so disheartened, they are dropping out the workforce entirely. I would wager more than 1 in 5 in America is unemployed or is nearly unemployed.

    These numbers are meaningless, there is no recovery, Obama’s policies have failed miserably, and we are being lied to in the worst possible way by our government and the press.

    I don’t believe a damn thing I read anymore that comes from any government reporting; CBO or otherwise. :mad:

  • 14. an800lbgorilla  |  February 4, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Bitch, do you really think anyone takes you serious at this point? You claim the Brotherhood is a secular organization. I have NEVER heard anyone, to include Muslim Brotherhood members themselves, make such an outlandish fabrication. It stands in direct confrontation with EVERYTHING that organization stands for, yet you, in your “cough, cough” infinite wisdom “cough, cough” chose to describe them as such.

    Such factual inaccuracy is done because of one of two reasons
    1) You are so incredibly ignorant of the organization, the region and the socio-political conditions on the ground that you are literally pontificating what you hope to believe, regardless of any actual facts.

    2) You are so intectually dishonest that you are willing to fabricate information in direct confrontation to the facts so as to defend your political position.

    Either way, to call you an intellectual midget implies that there is some semblance of standing to your premises, which is clear to all by now that there is not.

  • 15. Tex Taylor  |  February 4, 2011 at 11:16 am

    Gorilla, I’ve decided GE and Jeffrey Immelt are the Fourth Pillar of our illustrious government.

    Immelt couldn’t be anymore incompetent, and now he is Obama’s right hand business adviser. As a share holder, I was one of millions that demanded Immelt be terminated and that fell on deaf ears. Complete and utter baloney.

    People condemn Wall Street? Well, they can start their condemnation with GE.

    And I changed a sentence from above in my jobs example and forgot to change has to have.

  • 16. an800lbgorilla  |  February 4, 2011 at 11:16 am

    Thought I’d provide a little help, though everything Tex said is spot on…

    At 64.2%, the labor force participation rate (as a percentage of the total civilian noninstitutional population) is now at a fresh 26 year low, the lowest since March 1984, and is the only reason why the unemployment rate dropped to 9% (labor force declined from 153,690 to 153,186). Those not in the Labor Force has increased from 83.9 million to 86.2 million, or 2.2 million in one year! As for the numerator in the fraction, the number of unemployed, it has plunged from 15 million to 13.9 million in two months! The only reason for this is due to the increasing disenchantment of those who completely fall off the BLS rolls and no longer even try to look for a job. Lastly, we won’t even show what the labor force is as a percentage of total population. It is a vertical plunge.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/labor-force-participations-plunges-fresh-26-year-low

  • 17. Tex Taylor  |  February 4, 2011 at 11:20 am

    Yeller Dawg is the Rutherford Lawson version of Mexican piñata, except somebody stiffed us on the candy and filled the paper mache with dogshit.

    Yeller Dawg is the chipped and scratched 33 LP that somebody keeps as memento…

  • 18. an800lbgorilla  |  February 4, 2011 at 11:23 am

    I burned all of mine… Just saying…

  • 19. Tex Taylor  |  February 4, 2011 at 11:30 am

    How can it be that in May 2009, Hosni Mubarak was an esteemed president whom Barack Obama respected, and in January 2011, Mubarak is a dictator whom even Obama is casting aside? How can it be that in June 2009, Obama didn’t support the masses who came out against the zealot Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, while now he stands by the masses who are coming out against the moderate Mubarak?

    Back on topic, perhaps Rutherford or the other Liberals here (skip it Yeller, you’re both worthless and hopeless) can address this incongruity?

    I’m not blaming Mr.Obama for the uprising. I am blaming him for past grievances concerning his condemnation and blame game of the Bush Adm.

    Pres. Obama is quickly learning a great lesson in humility – much overdue and necessary.

  • 20. bvilleyellowdog  |  February 4, 2011 at 11:39 am

    “Yet another Anglo-American-backed dictator is set to fall from grace. The Shah of Iran, Manuel Noriega, Saddam Hussein — they all refused to concede defeat. And they all fell down.

    Hosni Mubarak will, too, if he doesn’t review his history books. There are, after all, only two-types of Anglo-American dictators: those who accept the endgame and live free to tell the tale, and those who don’t.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shirin-sadeghi/farewell-friday-tahrir-sq_b_818528.html?utm_source=DailyBrief&utm_campaign=020411&utm_medium=email&utm_content=BlogEntry&utm_term=Daily+Brief

  • 21. bvilleyellowdog  |  February 4, 2011 at 11:44 am

    “You claim the Brotherhood is a secular organization. I have NEVER heard anyone, to include Muslim Brotherhood members themselves, make such an outlandish fabrication”

    That’s what only listening to hate radio will do to you. The riech wing echo chamber causes stupidity.

  • 22. Tex Taylor  |  February 4, 2011 at 11:55 am

    Retort of the day:

    The Sierra Club and the U.S. Forest Service were presenting an alternative to the Wyoming ranchers for controlling the coyote population. It seems that after years of the ranchers using the tried and true method of shooting or trapping the predators, the Sierra Club had a “more humane” solution to this issue. What they were proposing was for the animals to be captured alive. The males would then be castrated and let loose again. This was ACTUALLY proposed by the Sierra Club and by the U.S. Forest Service.

    All of the ranchers thought about this amazing idea for a couple of minutes. Finally an old fellow wearing a big cowboy hat in the back of the conference room stood up, tipped his hat back and said; “Son, I don’t think you understand our problem here… these coyotes ain’t fuckin’ our sheep.. they’re eatin’ ‘em!” :lol:

  • 23. Rutherford  |  February 4, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    Dog, normally I’m with you on political arguments, but you’ve gotta back up that statement about Muslim Brotherhood being secular. Maybe its a terminology problem, but it makes no sense on the face of it.

  • 24. Rutherford  |  February 4, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    Well of course, Dog and Dan have addressed the big elephant in the room … we make friends with poor leaders. It’s as simple as that. Maybe it’s impossible to find leaders of the caliber of our Presidents. Say what you like gentlemen, but I ask you to tell me what country head of state you would take over Obama?

    We also view many countries as our puppets. Sometimes the puppet has his own agenda, and cuts the strings and goes rogue. What do we do then?

    This will probably send Gorilla to an early grave but Chris Matthews essentially agrees with him. This morning Matthews asked what the hell the State department does for a living. Why have we not tracked the trajectory of this political movement in the region? Why have we not prepared for an eventual Egyptian change of hands when we had 30 years to do so?

    It’s times like this that make me want to go all isolationist on everybody’s ass.

  • 26. Hucking Fypocrites  |  February 4, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    “Obama issues global warming rules in January, gives GE an exemption in February”

    After he put their CEO on his economic team.

    Like I said before, when is Obama going to apologize to the Supreme Court. He has obviously changed his mind on how much of a voice corporations should have in our democracy.

    “That’s what only listening to hate radio will do to you.”

    Well Gorilla gets his information from years of experience in the field. I get mine from years of secondary education.

    What will those things do to you, dog?

    Did you study the Ikhwan from a Vietnamese Holiday Inn Express? Maybe read an in-flight magazine article on the topic?

    “Say what you like gentlemen, but I ask you to tell me what country head of state you would take over Obama?”

    That’s a bullshit question, Rutherford.

    What country head of state would you take over McCain?

  • 27. Rutherford  |  February 4, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    Lekhak, thanks for visiting. Interesting take on things. I love the Obama fortune cookie cartoon! :-)

  • 28. Rutherford  |  February 4, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    Huck …you went in a totally wrong direction on my question. It wasn’t a partisan question. I could have easily asked the same question about Bush or McCain. Maybe it’s chauvinistic on my part but I happen to believe we elect better heads of state and we have a more functional government than just about anyone else on the planet. Hence my point …. in dealing with many heads of state, we are almost always dealing with our inferiors from a leadership perspective.

  • 29. Rutherford  |  February 4, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    Gorilla … you burned your vinyls? Blasphemy I tell you. Blasphemy.

  • 30. Hucking Fypocrites  |  February 4, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    I don’t know that I would classify Barack Obama as Hosni Mubarak’s inferior.

    Mubarak is sly. He’s smart. You don’t rule a country for 3 decades by being stupid. he understands the people and region around him, and he also understands the West, and how to get what he wants from it.

    I am not saying he’s a great guy, or that he was good for Egypt. But from a political, diplomatic, or foreign policy perspective, Mubarak would run circles around Obama.

  • 31. Hucking Fypocrites  |  February 4, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    “I don’t know that I would classify Barack Obama as Hosni Mubarak’s inferior.”

    Obviously those names should be reversed….

  • 32. an800lbgorilla  |  February 4, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    Not really. I would never do such a thing.

    That’s what only listening to hate radio will do to you. The riech wing echo chamber causes stupidity.” – Bitch

    I expect sourced reports from recognized authorities, namely first hand sources like ANY MB member saying that they are secular. Of course, I’d like that to be washed with their motto, their charter and their history.

    The Bitch won’t do it because he can’t. From now on, we’ll see one to two sentence responses that have absolutely no substance or bearing on what was actually said. Kind of like the quote in this comment…

  • 33. an800lbgorilla  |  February 4, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    We make friends with leaders. Did we put Mubarak in charge of Egypt? No. Did we back him? Yeah. Why? Because he was the leader of Egypt and his national objectives didn’t really conflict with ours.

    Folks like the Bitch will cut off their noses to spite their faces, except in the case of the Bitch, he’s so fucking ignorant of the situation, he’s more likely to cut his throat than his nose.

    Who fills the power vacuum behind Mubarak? Probably the military, which is EXACTLY where Mubarak came from. Who’s the most organizaed politically? The MB, who has already stated that they will withdrawal from the Israel peace treaty and invite war with Israel.

    El-Baradei is weak, which is why he’s acceptable to blocs like the MB. And let us not forget that in 1979, Khomeini worked with liberal progressive organizations as well to get rid of the Shah. In that rememberance, let us recall that he killed all of them once the Shah was removed.

  • 34. an800lbgorilla  |  February 4, 2011 at 2:06 pm

  • 35. an800lbgorilla  |  February 4, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    This is the scariest jobs chart evah!!!

    Explain this one R, especially since we’re now magically at 9%…

    http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4d4c130649e2aeba2f170000/chart-of-the-day-scariest-jobs-ever-feb-2011.jpg

  • 36. Tex Taylor  |  February 4, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    Sorry, though I don’t blame Obama for the Egypt situation, as he is between a rock and a hard place, I do wish some of you feckless Libs would explain this incongruity. It does speak loudly about Obama’s character and consistency, or lack thereof. Is Mubarak just the latest accomplice to be thrown under the bus?

    How can it be that in May 2009, Hosni Mubarak was an esteemed president whom Barack Obama respected, and in January 2011, Mubarak is a dictator whom even Obama is casting aside? How can it be that in June 2009, Obama didn’t support the masses who came out against the zealot Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, while now he stands by the masses who are coming out against the moderate Mubarak?

    P.S. – I actually believe Mubarak’s stepping down in September is the best suggestion. I find nothing unreasonable about that request, and do believe Mubarak is correct that if he stepped down, anarchy would follow. And since nature abhors a vacuum, in that part of the world the foulest winds always seem to fill the void.

    As an added bonus, it would give the U.S. a chance to evaluate its own best interests.

  • 37. Tex Taylor  |  February 4, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    Gorilla, what you witness on that chart is easily explained – it’s the new math and economic model of the El Bomba Administration uses to calculate unemployment figures.

    It’s called the Liberal Inverse Hyperbolic Employment Curve Standard…. or LIES for short. :twisted:

    The basis of the theory goes something like this:

    As one moves toward infinity while Progressvies remain in power, the closer people employed in the private sector approaches zero.

  • 38. an800lbgorilla  |  February 4, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    I thought I recognized that equation…

  • 39. bvilleyellowdog  |  February 4, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    “Bargains with the devil never end well. For decades, successive U.S. administrations have embraced autocratic, repressive regimes in the Arab world – and now, as we see in the bloody streets of Cairo, it’s time to pay the price. ”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/03/AR2011020305171.html

    Blame Obama for Mubarak? What a joke.

  • 40. bvilleyellowdog  |  February 4, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0111/19_days_in_GOP_leadership_takes_credit_for_job_growth.html?showall

    Cunfused – the GOP is reponsibe for jobs now – they were bragging less than 2 weeks ago.

    But the regressives parrot whatever Big Brother says…

  • 41. Tex Taylor  |  February 4, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    ‘Cunfused’ is right.

    That’s what only listening to hate radio will do to you. The riech wing echo chamber causes stupidity.

    Bet Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Glenn Beck can spell “thier their riech reich wing cunfusion confusion correctly.

    Three strikes and you’re out Dawg.

    ———–

    Where’s Graychin?

    Did the burden of carrying your worthless and phenomenally ignorant ass at The Two Useful Idiot’s blog finally break his back? :smile:

  • 42. bvilleyellowdog  |  February 4, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    http://www.nationalenquirer.com/john_boehner_house_speaker_sex_scandal_two_women/celebrity/70110

    Boner the shortest serving speaker ever???
    Typical repug.

  • 43. Dead Rabbit  |  February 4, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    I am so shocked. Nothing from the canine of ignorance on how the MB is…uh..secular.

    Blaming Obama for the Egyptian conflict is a cheap shot. Blaming any Prez is.

    If anything, I blame idealism, including the neo-cons.

    There is a running theory out there that Democracies will never fight one another. Never mind that the data set only runs about 100 years,
    the stink beards elected Hamas. Nuff said.

    Making Iraq a dysfunctional democracy was an idiot move. In Iraq, President Rabbit would have propped up some Ba’athist army guy who seemed cool. President Rabbit would already be making a deal with some new nasty army son of a bitch in Egypt.

    Hillary Clinton looks like a fool when she grandstands about how important natural rights are to us in Egypt.

    Dictators work awesome. We got 30 years of stability out of one in Egypt. That is a huge success if you ask me. Let’s try to get another 30 out of a younger one.

  • 44. Rutherford  |  February 4, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    LOL Dog I wish you had a better source than the Enquirer. Then again, they helped bring down Edwards so maybe it’s the GOP’s turn. Although honestly, I would peg Boehner for lots of things but an adulterer is not one of them. I kinda find the story sad if true.

  • 45. Rutherford  |  February 4, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    I have to laugh … when the employment figures come out some of you GOP guys act like the Good Humor truck just pulled into the neighborhood ringing its bell (“oooooo time for ice cream!!!!”)

    I hate to disappoint you but no one is excited about the 9% rate. All of the reporting I’ve heard so far makes it clear the 9% is nothing to be happy about. Fewer new jobs than expected for one thing.

    But one thing you guys should be thrilled with is what few new jobs did get created came out of the private sector. Public sector growth stalled from what I understand.

    Oh and G, WTF was that chart you posted? Looked like the wires behind my entertainment center. :-D

  • 46. bvilleyellowdog  |  February 4, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    Exactly the regressives thought the Enquirer was great when they were after Edwards. And the real investigation is being done by the NY Times. Boner not an adulterer? Why not – he’s a prostitute for sure….ask any lobbyist – he’s cheap.

  • 47. Rutherford  |  February 4, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    Regarding 36, Tex I heard an interesting conversation this morning on the news concerning Obama being a “transactional” President not good at building relationships. I think this is born out by some of his past behavior, be it throwing Rev Wright under the bus or throwing Progressives under the bus during the lame duck session.

    When it comes to Egypt, it matters more to Obama to pick the winning team than to be loyal to Mubarak. I think this analysis has some basis in truth.

  • 48. poolman  |  February 4, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    Pleasantries all around…

    I think if I were Egypt, I’d say mind your own damn business, USA. Let us decide how we want to form our government. If we still want to accept your money or advice, let us decide what it goes toward and what we are obligated to you for it. We don’t want to fuck with you but we don’t want you fucking with us anymore, either. Call off the dogs. God be praised.
    With Love,
    Egypt.

    Really we have played dirty pool in every hall, it’s hard to appear sincere in our actions internationally. Yes the Muslim Brotherhood is highly infiltrated in their government. The Egyptian women have a dominant role in their society, too. They are afforded rights. Remember, we have got zionist neocons of the Tex mentality highly distributed throughout our government. Both, if they could have it, would have religion based statutes enforced. You guys forget how your best buddy Ron Reagan complimented the Taliban back in the day in the white house for being a strong moral force in their society.

    And… since we’re the white hats, we’ll justify about everything we do, as long as it isn’t our blood that is spilt. We’ll supply the arms, however. We got the best money can buy. :wink: You betcha,
    USofA

    You’re all so freaked about Muslims and Sharia law but you LOVE the Sauds. It’s nuts, man. Oil is thicker than whine.

    Male dominant capitalist/survivalist mentality syndrome, most likely…

  • 49. bvilleyellowdog  |  February 4, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    “You’re all so freaked about Muslims and Sharia law but you LOVE the Saudis. It’s nuts, man. Oil is thicker than whine.”

    …and Saudi days are numbered – that is what really worries them. Then all the “drill baby drill” and sucking up to big oil won’t keep them from freezing in the dark. Will they regret not spending on solar and wind then – or will gasoline have to be $100.00 first?

    Perhaps I should have put more spelling errors here. It keeps the idiot savants busy.

  • 50. Tex Taylor  |  February 4, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    One of my favorite lines from a movie was in Lonesome Dove, the best western ever made in my opinion. In the movie, Robert Duvall, playing Augustus McCrae aka Texas Ranger, is force to hang a really bad hombre. The man’s last words are to spit at Gus and say, “The hell with them! They ain’t worth a red piss; and neither are you! ”

    Gus responds, “I’ll say this, Suggs; you’re the kind of man it’s a pleasure to hang. If all you can talk is guff, you can talk it to the Devil.”

    And that is going to be my response to Al-Poolman when the Sudden Jihadi Syndrome types tie him up. :smile:

    It will be a pleasure to watch them hang you…

  • 51. Tex Taylor  |  February 4, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    Yeller Grunt,

    Will they regret not spending on solar and wind then – or will gasoline have to be $100.00 first?

    Your science and logistics is almost, but not quite as bad as your spelling. For the second time, between solar and wind, they make up a little over 1/2% of the total energy output in the United States.

    The only dumb fuck standing in the dark will be you. I’ll be the one flipping you the bird while you freeze to death, as I drive by in my natural gas powered car.

  • 52. Tex Taylor  |  February 4, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    I think this is born out by some of his past behavior, be it throwing Rev Wright under the bus or throwing Progressives under the bus during the lame duck session.

    When it comes to Egypt, it matters more to Obama to pick the winning team than to be loyal to Mubarak.

    I’m not so sure that’s a good idea. You can cuss Bush all you want, but at least give the man credit that he carried forth in Iraq under immense pressure to cave. There’s this thing called “keeping your word” and showing loyalty.

    While Mubarak may be a despot, it doesn’t say much about us when less than 18 months ago, our President was singing his praises and we turn around and cave in a week.

  • 53. poolman  |  February 4, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    Tex’s turncoats ride again…

    Doing the neocon shuffle…

    They’re lyin’ at Jooooooo. Duh! :lol:

  • 54. bvilleyellowdog  |  February 4, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/06/weekinreview/06held.html

    Mubarack is a slime ball.

  • 55. Tex Taylor  |  February 4, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    Al-Poolman,

    Since you couldn’t grab the college due to limited intellectual capability as you roll down the aisle holding your snakes, perhaps you can pass this school…

    It’s never too late…for all I know, this may be you.

  • 56. an800lbgorilla  |  February 4, 2011 at 9:03 pm

    Boner not an adulterer? Why not – he’s a prostitute for sure….ask any lobbyist – he’s cheap.” – The Bitch

    Speaking of whores…

    In an e-mail obtained by ABC News, a top staffer for the key Senate Appropriations subcommittee called for a meeting of lobbyists and interest groups that would be affected by expected cuts to the Labor and Heath and Human Services budget. The Jan. 24 meeting was attended by approximately 400 people, sources told ABC, and served as a “call to arms” for those determined to fight Republican budget cuts.

    “One thing everyone should be able to agree on now is that a rising tide lifts all boats, and that a higher [Labor, Health & Human Services] allocation improves the chances for every stakeholder group to receive more funding,” the committee staffer for Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, wrote in an e-mail inviting people to the meeting.

    You know, I’m beginning to like this game. Bitch says something, and then everyone else demonstrates with sourced material how much of a fucking ass he is.

  • 57. an800lbgorilla  |  February 4, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    When can we expect to see your evidence on the Muslim Brotherhood being a secular organization?

    R, you asked him to show his work as well. In the interest of fairness, I think we’ve entered Elric territory. Time to apply some standards, unless of course you’d like to prove my mantra on liberal standards correct? ;)

  • 58. fakename2  |  February 4, 2011 at 11:51 pm

    The commentary here has been both interesting and predictable. Predictable in that some people will continue to flog their pet agendas regardless of what the topic is about. Interesting in that this is the first time the National Enquirer has been mentioned :) But it did say it’s a NYT investigation…I’ll wait for them to weigh in. The main thing I’m worried about is that Boehner is going to cry.
    yellowdog, it pains me to disagree with you, but your take on the Muslim Brotherhood is wrong. They are not “secular” and they are “not as radical in Egypt as they may be elsewhere” is wrong, as I believe you said, if I’m not misquoting or misunderstanding you.
    I’ll say that after 11 days of this, I’m still completely taken by surprise by what’s happening in Egypt (and I am not alone).. I considered Egypt and Jordan the most stable, rational countries in the Middle East. Shows how much I know…unemployment is at 39% in Egypt? The military owns a tremendous amount of real estate and commercial business. You can only starve people for so long before they are willing to die in the street before they take it any more. And here I was worried about Yemen.

  • 59. Rutherford  |  February 5, 2011 at 12:05 am

    Dog, you need to read Matt Taibi’s article on Boehner. Not exactly a love letter. I haven’t finished it yet but it’s good. Taibi is one of the best new writers around when it comes to raw clarity.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/matt-taibbi-the-crying-shame-of-john-boehner-20110105

  • 60. Rutherford  |  February 5, 2011 at 12:14 am

    I want you to ponder this my friends:

    Countless products that enhance our lives in the United States of America say “Made in China”.

    The teargas canisters used in Cairo say “Made in the USA”.

    What’s wrong with this picture? We manufacture and export the tools of the war machine and then wonder why our international reputation suffers. :-(

  • 61. Rutherford  |  February 5, 2011 at 12:17 am

    LOL G, no double standard here at all. Dog will have to work long and hard to reach Elric territory. Elric was in a class by himself. Haven’t seen much of him over at BiW’s,. I hope he didn’t finally blow a gasket chasing after some dangerous Muslim lurking outside his basement window. :neutral:

    Dag, hey Tex …. maybe Elric and Gray got into a duel that didn’t end well? :shock:

  • 62. Rutherford  |  February 5, 2011 at 12:20 am

    FN, here is the bigger question. Riots in the UK over high tuition. Tunisia and Egypt go bonkers primarily over economic woes. With a real unemployment rate near 20%, can we be far behind? Just how long will the pissed off middle class stay calm?

    I think we make a mistake when we look at Egypt and say “nah could never happen here.”

  • 63. Tex Taylor  |  February 5, 2011 at 12:24 am

    Dag, hey Tex …. maybe Elric and Gray got into a duel that didn’t end well?

    Well, if so Elric would have done the world a big favor by removing the world’s biggest hypocrite, “Graychin” Van Blowhard.

    Elric would have given his life for his country. :smile:

  • 65. Rutherford  |  February 5, 2011 at 12:29 am

    Regarding 43, Rabbit … you got caught in my spam filter cos you accidentally put your email address in twice instead of your famous name. Anyway … sorry it took me so long to get to it.

    By the way, my late approval of Rabbit’s comment has thrown off all the comment numbers so some references to comment numbers may be off by one.

    I think Rabbit answered my question about whether all countries are fit for true democracy. Sounds like the Rabbit is saying that some countries NEED dictators. LOL, if so, I’m not so sure I disagree with him.

  • 66. Rutherford  |  February 5, 2011 at 12:31 am

    Elric would have given his life for his country.

    Elric was a martyr??? Why that sounds so …. MUSLIM BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :lol:

  • 67. Tex Taylor  |  February 5, 2011 at 12:33 am

    Jim Dougan and I used to go round and round about the next bubble to burst – college education. Unfortunately, Jim didn’t live long enough for me to get to tease him about “I told you so…”

    Higher education in America, is rapidly growing out of reach. For the past quarter-century, the cost of higher education has grown 440%, according to the National Center for Public Policy and Education, nearly four times the rate of inflation and double the rate of health care cost increases. The cost increases have occurred at both public and private colleges.

    Like many situations too good to be true–like the dot-com boom, the Enron bubble, the housing boom or the health care cost explosion–the ever-increasing cost of university education is not sustainable.

    http://www.forbes.com/2011/02/01/college-education-bubble-opinions-contributors-louis-lataif.html

    Higher education in my humble opinion, is the most overpriced, overrated ripoff going. But because most of it the bastion of libbie land, you don’t here much about its increases.

    Get ready Libs – your world is quickly shrinking.

  • 68. Rutherford  |  February 5, 2011 at 12:33 am

    Poolman, I think you’ll find most of the strongmen we call our buddies around the world do quite well financially.

  • 69. Rutherford  |  February 5, 2011 at 12:36 am

    So gentlemen of the Grand Ole Party, I’d love to hear your opinion of a new idea from your Tea Party hero Rand Paul. He wants to cut off financial aid to Israel on the grounds they are one of the most wealthy countries in the world.

    On its face, it makes sense …. or does this make old Rand an anti-Semite?

  • 70. Tex Taylor  |  February 5, 2011 at 12:44 am

    “R”,

    Poolman will wet his pants over that idea. :smile:

    Of course “R”, you know that I disagree adamantly with that proposal, but it is after all a Democracy. And the reasons aren’t just theological.

    We pay pennies on the dollar for the benefit we gain. $1.5 billion is nothing compared to what Israel returns in value.

    But I’ll let the Jooo haters here on the board (three come to mind) chew on that one for awhile before I demonstrate once again their real reason for hatred.

  • 71. poolman  |  February 5, 2011 at 1:30 am

    We already got the seal of Solomon, star of David, 13th tribe of Israel symbol on our money. Give unto Ceasar, in this case, Zion.

  • 72. Tex Taylor  |  February 5, 2011 at 1:44 am

    Too bad you can’t spell Caesar correctly. Was it an attempt at insult, or simple cluelessness?

    Yes, the Jewish heritage runs deep in this country. Real Christians recognize that fact and provide their hearty support. The Klan past, present and future still doesn’t.

  • 73. Hucking Fypocrites  |  February 5, 2011 at 2:22 am

    “We pay pennies on the dollar for the benefit we gain. $1.5 billion is nothing compared to what Israel returns in value.”

    I am trying really hard not to sound like a dick when I ask if you can give some details on this comment.

    “So gentlemen of the Grand Ole Party, I’d love to hear your opinion of a new idea from your Tea Party hero Rand Paul. He wants to cut off financial aid to Israel on the grounds they are one of the most wealthy countries in the world. ”

    I don’t have a problem with cutting off aid to any country, but mainly as diplomatic pressure. Not because they may or may not be wealthy.

    “I think we make a mistake when we look at Egypt and say “nah could never happen here.””

    And when it happens you’ll be on Twitter blaming Sarah Palin for a week.

  • 74. poolman  |  February 5, 2011 at 2:24 am

    Oh damn, caught again by the spell check fairy. I knew you had a purpose here. Actually, I always have trouble with that one. I have a friend that spells his name Cesar, so I always tend to go with the e first. I got another friend Keith that I always spell Kieth. Damn English inconsistent spelling rules. Rack it up to a “I don’t give a shit lazy habit”, rather than insult or cluelessness this time. :razz:

  • 75. Tex Taylor  |  February 5, 2011 at 2:37 am

    I’ll be glad to Huck…before I do, I need you to answer a couple of questions, because the other two are loons and I discount both their “facts and their opinions.”

    But first, do you think there is monetary value in information? It’s not a trivial question…

    General George Keegan, former head of U.S. Air Force Intelligence has publicly declared that “Israel is worth five CIA’s.” He further stated that between 1974 and 1990, Israel received $18.3 billion in U.S. military grants. During the same period Israel provided the U.S. with $50-80 billion in intelligence, research and development savings, and Soviet weapons systems captured and transferred to the U.S.

    You could argue that is subjective in nature, but you would be arguing with someone who would be in a position to cast pretty sound judgment.

    Second, are you aware, and this is from memory, that of the $1.7 billion we send Israel in foreign aid, approximately $1.2 billion of that must be spend on military hardware and technology? That’s the agreement. It’s not like Israel can do with the money as she sees fit…

  • 76. Hucking Fypocrites  |  February 5, 2011 at 4:20 am

    I would agree there is value to information and I would also agree that it is subjective in nature. Rather than say I would argue with Keegan, I would just say that I would be interested in how he arrives at his figures. Not that I am accusing him of anything, but his methodology is pretty important to the claim.

    I’m not saying he is wrong.

    “Second, are you aware, and this is from memory, that of the $1.7 billion we send Israel in foreign aid, approximately $1.2 billion of that must be spend on military hardware and technology? That’s the agreement. It’s not like Israel can do with the money as she sees fit…”

    That doesn’t move me much. Money’s money. As I mentioned I’d like to see those $$$ signs used as more diplomatic pressure. Israel doesn’t need to keep building settlements like it does. It is a serious point of contention that is really nothing but a land grab. Everyone knows it.

    George HW Bush tried to do what I suggested and it has been argued that it contributed to his failure to be re-elected. That doesn’t mean it is the wrong thing to do.

  • 77. Tex Taylor  |  February 5, 2011 at 10:56 am

    Huck, I’m not done. That statement was just for starters. Subjective figure? Sure? The fact that Israel provides invaluable information that we are unable to entertain? No way…

    The information on purchasing military hardware wasn’t meant to justify our foreign aid, but to point out that in many ways, our aid to Israel is a “business deal.” There are strings attached from which American companies are a benefactor.

    Reason #2
    In contrast to our commitments to South Korea, Japan, Germany and other parts of the world, not a single American service person needs to be stationed in Israel. Considering that the cost of one service person, per year, including backup and infrastructure, is estimated to be about $200,000 per year, and assuming a minimum contingent of 25,000 troops, and we have much more in many of these places, the cost savings to the United States, on that score alone, are on the order of $5 billion a year.

  • 78. Tex Taylor  |  February 5, 2011 at 10:57 am

    :oops: No way should have been absolutely above…

  • 79. Tex Taylor  |  February 5, 2011 at 11:01 am

    I see that Journolist is alive and well, funded by Al-Poolman’s favorite despot George Soros.

    Anybody been following how Planned Parenthood has been busted on video assisting in the trafficking of 13-14 year olds here in America, allowing them to obtain abortions? All under the guise of “choice”, of course.

    Well, instead of attacking the perpetrators, George Soros has decided to attack the young lady exposing the real evils of Planned Parenthood instead…

    http://biggovernment.com/dloesch/2011/02/04/journolist-2-0-soros-sites-hold-con-call-to-map-strategy-for-planned-parenthood-defense/

  • 80. bvilleyellowdog  |  February 5, 2011 at 11:37 am

    http://tv.nytimes.com/2011/02/05/arts/television/05watch.html

    Faux backs fascism…..but what’s new?

  • 81. bvilleyellowdog  |  February 5, 2011 at 11:38 am

    So funny to see the regressives punked by the PP “expose”

  • 82. Tex Taylor  |  February 5, 2011 at 11:48 am

    Punked? Someone exposes child sex traffickng, and they are punked?

    You’re not only profoundly stupid Dawg; you’re a sick bastard. Why in the hell Graychin ever gave you the time of day was one thing I never could figure out about Graychin (the other was how an otherwise capable and educated individual could ultimately arrive at such horrid conclusions). Of all his sins, Graychin’s relationship with you has to be his most profane, and I was frankly surprised he could tolerate you, being you’re an embarrassment.

    Graychin was twisted about everything. But he wasn’t stupid. You are. Normal, rational people don’t associate with losers like you in word or deed, even if they do share a political philosophy. They pretend you don’t exist.

  • 83. Tex Taylor  |  February 5, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Interesting story on “moderate” Egypt? Sounds pretty barbaric to me. Glad my daughters and wife didn’t grow up there.

    Nine out of ten Egyptian women suffer genital mutilation. US President Barack Obama said Jan. 29, “The right to peaceful assembly and association, the right to free speech, and the ability to determine their own destiny … are human rights. And the United States will stand up for them everywhere.” Does Obama think that genital mutilation is a human rights violation? To expect Egypt to leap from the intimate violence of traditional society to the full rights of a modern democracy seems whimsical.

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MB02Ak01.html

  • 84. Hucking Fypocrites  |  February 5, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    “Subjective figure? Sure?”

    Yes. I am sure that information is highly subjective in its value. Since we don’t know specifically what information we have gotten from Israel, you and I have no way of even guessing its value. And I am not prepared to concede based on a single source where I don’t know how he is arriving at his conclusions.

    “In contrast to our commitments to South Korea, Japan, Germany and other parts of the world, not a single American service person needs to be stationed in Israel.”

    This doesn’t do anything for us.

    We keep people stationed in those places so that we are already there, or at least in the area if shit goes down.

    In contrast, we aren/t able to use any part of Israel when shit goes down in the Middle East. In Gulf War I we had to PAY Israel to stay out of the conflict so their presence wouldn’t break up the worldwide coalition Bush I built. As far as I know, we have not used Israel as a base from which to bomb Iraq or Afghanistan. We don’t use Israel as a base for our troops, nor do we use Israel as a base from which to bring in supplies.

    We don’t keep people stationed in Israel because if we did, the Arab World would say it is confirmation that Israel is nothing more than a long arm for America, and they would have a shit fit. It would be a foreign policy blunder of massive proportions.

  • 86. dead rabbit  |  February 5, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    Sorry about that R. My comment isn’t very deep, either. It was from phone text while cooking French Toast with a 17 month in my arms.

  • 87. Tex Taylor  |  February 5, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    Pennies on the dollar Huck – Israeli intelligence is eons above ours, and even the CIA admits it.

    I’m going to keep listing. I pay no heed to Al-Poolman because he’s a Dhimmi and Israel’s enemy; a phony in faith. In addition, I suspect Al-Poolman an American military hater. The zenith of Useful Idiot.

    Senator Daniel Inouye [D-Hawaii] has recently, well a few years back, 2005, argued: “Israeli information regarding Soviet arms saved the U.S. billions of dollars. The contribution made by Israel’s intelligence to the United States is greater than that provided by all the other NATO allies of the United States combined,” said Senator Inouye.

    How many sources do you need Huck to convince you? Need I remind you that the Islamic extremist groups Israel is currently fighting, namely, Hamas, Hizballah and Islamic Jihad, are proxies of Iran and Al Qaeda.

    I haven’t even gotten to the security and technological innovation stuff yet…

  • 88. Tex Taylor  |  February 5, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    Actually, in my opinion Huck, it might be in Israel’s best interests to cut ties concerning foreign aid from America. It amounts to only about 1% of the entire economy. If American politicians didn’t feel we were “getting our bang for the buck” for the investment, I can guarantee you they would cut aid immediately.

    That “keeping the peace” crap is rubbish. We pay the Egyptian military to keep clear the Suez Canal – and it is our major strategic concern right now in the uprising.

    Hell, men like Al-Poolman pray daily Israeli Jews are killed. He shares company with Israel’s biggest American enemies: George Soros and the liberal secular Jews of the New York Times. Al-Poolman has quoted both here, and you can tell much about a man by his friends.

    We pay Israel for intelligence and technological innovations concerning our advance strike fighters, including much of the software utilized for advanced systems.

    Personally, I think America has more to lose than Israel in our relationship.

  • 89. bvilleyellowdog  |  February 5, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    “Give me a break. You have dual citizenship, Tex? The above report is from your beloved Fox News. This IS treasonous. This IS anti-American. And YOU support it.”

    But it’s ok if you are a repug or a repug buddy. We have a few Israeli spies that need to be executed. Even Bush’s Zionist neocon buddies like Bolton could not convince him to let them go.

  • 90. poolman  |  February 5, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    you can tell much about a man by his friends.

    True that. Here are some more of your buddies.

    It’s a small world afterall…

  • 91. poolman  |  February 5, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    Personally, I think America has more to lose than Israel in our relationship.

    This what I have been saying (and proving) all along.

  • 93. poolman  |  February 5, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    Tex, you have a way of not ever addressing the issue or the facts, but rather prefer to discredit the messenger. How about dissing your demigod’s own words…

    “These gentlemen are the moral equivalents of America’s founding fathers.”

    Prophet or fool? Liar or delusional?

  • 94. poolman  |  February 5, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    Tex tile, cut from the same rag cloth.

  • 95. Tex Taylor  |  February 5, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    Why would I address rank propaganda from a Jew hating site brought to me by a phony, Jew hating fool like you Mullah?

    I hate to tell you this Al-Poolman, but you’re Yeller Dawg’s twin brother. Both a disgrace and an easy target, with a room temperature IQ.

  • 96. Tex Taylor  |  February 5, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    Here you go Al-Poolman. You and Dawg been traveling as errand boys?

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/02/obama-administration-held-secret-meeting-with-muslim-brotherhood-planning-post-mubarak-government.html

  • 97. poolman  |  February 5, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    Jihad Watch, Joseph Farah and World Net Daily? :lol: You can’t be serious? This opinion piece of crap of journalism zionist propaganda claims Al Qaeda is a product of the Muslim Brotherhood. You discredit my sources? Not only is this source biased, the information is not founded in fact. It is the same group that claims Obama is a secret Muslim.

  • 99. Tex Taylor  |  February 5, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    Just playing your game dummy. Consider it returning a favor for you AlterNet horseshit.

    And I’ll bet it is founded in fact Mullah, from the “most transparent” administration evah! :lol:

  • 100. bvilleyellowdog  |  February 5, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    Al Qaeda is a product of the Muslim Brotherhood.

    In fact Al Qaeda hates and fears the MB. The MB is peaceful and AQ is violent. AQ is upset that they are not in the middle. Their web sites talk about the collection guns for future action not about what they can do now.

    Regressives continue to shill for Zionists and Mubarak – but what else would you expect from facists. They see Mubarak as a model. Cheney tried but never got there.

  • 101. Tex Taylor  |  February 5, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    Al Qaeda is a product of the Muslim Brotherhood.

    In fact Al Qaeda hates and fears the MB. The MB is peaceful and AQ is violent.
    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    What a dumb ass!!!!!

  • 102. fakename2  |  February 5, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    A couple of observations for you R. It’s been at least two years since I visited M&H’s blog, but did so in order to find out what all the fuss was about. I think you caught yourself at your own mistake: you initially made it personal. Perhaps if you hadn’t done so, others might have taken your stated opinions (which were entirely reasonable) more into account. Then you got mad because they didn’t, came back to your own blog, and posted that repulsive comment about sitting on a hard dick. Which pretty much says you meant what you said in the first place, and they rightfully called you on it.
    The comment that struck me most on M&H however, was the one from Mikat, who said he (or she) had visited your blog and said the reason most libs leave is that it has been overtaken by “repubs”. (“We recognize a brick wall when we see one”.) Truer words never spoken. You may believe you have a progressive blog, but you don’t. What you have is a forum for the most right-wing of conservatives. And you encourage it. They are the only people you truly engage with.
    Much as I deplore Poolman’s conspiracy theories and Yellowdog’s sniper attacks, they are about the only people left here who will challenge the prevailing atmosphere so I applaud them. My bet is that they too will soon hit the road, along with me, and your remaining readers will congratulate themselves on “running us off”. You will then say to yourself that your fellow liberals just couldn’t cut the mustard, and never get the part where you created this atmosphere.
    Three comments into this post about Egypt, we got the Breitbart vid about Planned Parenthood. You’re being spammed, R, and don’t even get it.

  • 103. bvilleyellowdog  |  February 5, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    “they are about the only people left here who will challenge the prevailing atmosphere so I applaud them. My bet is that they too will soon hit the road, along with me, and your remaining readers will congratulate themselves on “running us off”. You will then say to yourself that your fellow liberals just couldn’t cut the mustard, and never get the part where you created this atmosphere.”

    Did that a long time ago. I only come back periodically to watch regressive heads explode – they are so very very easy.

  • 104. Tex Taylor  |  February 5, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    Fake, along with Al-Poolman and Yeller Dawg, you rarely contribute anything of substance. You rant. you preach, you don’t hold yourself to the same high standards you hold everyone else, and you are without doubt, the biggest whiner I have ever read on the net. If you choose to leave, nobody is going to care here. Don’t let the house drop on you too.

    Though you’re a step ahead of Al-Poolman and Yeller Dawg in smarts and that’s not saying much, you are guilty of everything you just accused Rutherford of being here and at you’re own blog. You are absolutely gutless. You can’t stand that everybody doesn’t see the world through your jumbled kaleidoscope and will not allow dissent of any kind. You are a bitch personified and that is exactly why your personal a life a wreck.

    You are a hypocrite of the worst order, and I suspect just another one of the old hags the frequent Fat Grannies. You belong there.

    No wonder you’re all alone without a husband. You are an absolute nag and the most unlikable person on this board. You’re disgusting…

    I’m not going to let you get away with insulting Rutherford, because you are not even close to being in his class with intellect or debate.

  • 105. bvilleyellowdog  |  February 5, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    That regressive splat makes an untidy mess though. I do go to proper regressive sites to find out what they are up to – but you will not even find that here – just some fractured version of Beck and Faux. Some sites at least have reasoned arguments – if ultimately false.

  • 106. fakename2  |  February 5, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    Lol, Yellowdog…how true, just look at the next comment. Lessee….just hitting the high points…contributes nothing of substance, rants, preaches, whines, gutless bitch, hypocrite, nag, unlikable, disgusting…and with a wreck of a personal life. With that list of qualities, no wonder, eh? What happened to “hag”?
    What debate? That’s my point.

  • 107. Tex Taylor  |  February 5, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    Rutherford,

    I’m watching a basketball game and not concentrating here, but I hope you don’t take people like Fake seriously.

    Her lame, weak ass type are a dime a dozen across the net. Do you want a blog like Fake’s or Graychin’s where there is no discussion except the bleating sheep, or any difference of opinion? No original thought and just some copied bullshit from Wiki or left-wing site? Where the subject material is elementary and shallow?

    Because that is what that phony, cowardly bitch is tacitly begging you to do and has from the start. She’s the one that would ruin a blog. Look at that piece of shit she constructed – hollow and void with a design by an eighth grader. Fake is a control freak – and neurotic twit who wouldn’t recognize debate if it slapped her wrinkled ass.

    What you need is to get a few bright liberals to join your cause like Jim Dougan. It’s a shame he died, because Jim liked the give and take.

    And the reason those dykes at Fat Grannies don’t come over? They’re not capable. They’re ignorant. Almost all of them are liars and uneducated imbeciles – it’s unbelievable what they quote as science, for instance. Pure propaganda from Guttmacher, the research arm of the abortion on demand crowd.

    And you called them on it. Good for you! If Fake has a problem with honesty, that’s her problem.

  • 108. Tex Taylor  |  February 5, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    There you go Fake. A new friend right up your intellectual alley. Yeller Dawg – with about the same capability and the same depth. It’s a match made in heaven.

    Dawg’s a notorious panty sniffer…you’ll love him.

  • 109. dead rabbit  |  February 5, 2011 at 7:24 pm

    “Much as I deplore Poolman’s conspiracy theories “-fakename

    I don’t get it. How are Poolman’s conspiracy theories only an unsavory footnote to you?

    Outside of that tiny exception, Poolman and you are on the same team, fighting the good fight?

    Fakename, the man renders your government, my government, Obama’s, Glen Beck’s etc. guilty of murdering it’s own citizens in cold blood on 9/11.

    Do you truly understand the gravity of such a claim?

    Do you see how that makes him 10 million miles outside the universe of both Tex and yourself? Healthcare be damned.

    Do you understand what a game changer that is? And how superficial its is to claim him one of your own with an asterisk?

    A person can’t make such a claim and then pretend to be a sensible left leaning moderate. It was laughable when Poolman waxed eloquently about his commonalities with McCain’s daughter.

    He should be treated the same way a National Socialist should. Grant him his freedom of speech but ensure the forum is a vacuum by the power of simply ignoring him.

    He has essentially declared war against us. He has given the green light for those like him, who happen not to be cowards, to assassinate, bomb and destroy. Yet, it is us you want censored?

    How do we even know of Poolman’s charges? Has Rutherford ever blogged about the United States attacking it’s own people? About brain washing in Simpson cartoons? No? So Poolman must have also switched the script. But we are the “wall”? We are the “spam”? Because we find killing babies deplorable and the Healthcare bill a mess?

    What a joke.

    You share much more in common with Tex then you do with Poolman, despite the fact that Poolman and you both visit a site that mocks abortion and those who it horrifies.

    Secondly, it is utterly amazing to me that the one person who comes here and almost always dwells on blogging protocol has the nerve to speak of spam.

    Do you not see the hypocrisy in that? If I had time, I would go back and count how many times you lectured us about staying on topic, yourself, by default, off topic in doing so.

    Are you, yet again, asking Rutherford to censor us?

    On those rare occasions when we were cartoon style over the top sexist, we did so only in response to your outrage that we dare express other ideas you happen to disagree with. Of course, as we knew you would, you feigned victim-hood, completely oblivious .

    I will donate a dollar to any non baby killing charity of your choice for every post in which you added any kind of intellectual depth to anything involving one of Rutherford’s blog entires. I won’t even subtract for every time you came on here and whined about us being off topic etc.

    I agree with Tex. You are by far the most unlikeable person on this blog.

    Even Poolman, who I actually believe to be the most politically disgusting hate monger on this board, has a certain streak of likability in him.

    As for the blog you seem to be defending, Meribeth very humbly expressed her concerns about the tone when it comes to the grave matter of abortion. They literally told her to go suck a cock. Yet, you chose the Rutherford Lawson “wall” to whine about? How predictable.

    I’m not saying this as an insult. I’m simply being honest how I feel. You are the most mundane and trite person I’ve ever met in cyber space. You are the exact kind of shallow and lonely person my priest talked about the other day. I should feel sorry for you, I’m told. As usual, I have failed.

  • 110. dead rabbit  |  February 5, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    And, Dog….we are all still waiting for an explanation of the Muslim Brotherhood.

    i think you owe it to us. If the MUSLIM Brotherhood is, in fact, secular, it would completely give me a whole new outlook on the Egyptian crisis.

    Come on man. Were you just being funny? Explain yourself. I’m not being “regressive” am I?

    I am respectfully requesting discourse. Teach me.

    I’m not sure how you can attack me over this.

    it’s your claim and an earth shattering one when it compares to almost all Middle East analysis.

    What do you say? Lets share ideas. Lets talk. We are waiting.

  • 111. Tex Taylor  |  February 5, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    Well said Rabbit – but it will fall on deaf ears. Fake is incapable of self-reflection.

    She’s clueless to why we have been rude and vile to her. Just like a jihadi only understands power, Fake only understand rudeness.

    If I really thought Ms. Fakename seeking capable debate, I’d debate. This is the second blog she’s followed me to and demanded the blog owner stifle my voice. Neither listened to her thankfully. But Fake a control freak that’s not just satisfied with setting the rules and permissions- she’s got to set the tone too. Can you imagine the unmitigated gall it takes to come in and demand the blog owner follow her rules?

    I read that comment and thought, “Who does bitch think she is?” Queen? Jezebel maybe.

    And I can’t even imagine the suffering her ex must have lived with. She must be pretty….because no man in his right mind is going marry a nag like that without her offering something really special in return.

    ON a far more important point, how is your wife doing and feeling?

  • 112. fakename2  |  February 5, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    Re comments 107 through 111. This is substantive? This is debate?
    Just two corrections. Poolman and I are not kindred spirits. I didn’t follow Tex anywhere, quite the opposite.
    Rabbit, I don’t know what to tell you about your priest’s advice, since I can’t figure out why you think I’m Eleanor Rigby.

  • 113. Rutherford  |  February 5, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    Punked? Someone exposes child sex traffickng, and they are punked?

    Besides the ad hominem attack on Dog, you really haven’t addressed his point Tex. The ACORN “expose” was a hoax. From what Dog is saying, so is this Planned Parenthood deal.

    Quite frankly, I get real suspicious lately when anyone other than law enforcement uses surveillance video to expose someone else. Just too much room for manipulation.

  • 114. Rutherford  |  February 5, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    What a dumb ass!!!!!

    Tex, as I said earlier, there is so much conflicting reporting going on that it is hard to know what to believe. So we tend to believe what confirms our prejudices. I have heard from more than one authority on the subject that the MB has toned down in recent years, is non-violent, and is in conflict with al Qaeda. Now none of that supports the assertion that the MB is secular. But they are not currently a radical faction as far as I’ve seen.

    In fact, I’ve even heard that the MB has deliberately taken a back seat in these protests so as not to tarnish the protest with a religious intent vs a socio-economic one.

  • 115. Tex Taylor  |  February 5, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    I didn’t follow Tex anywhere, quite the opposite.

    You’re not even honest. You’ve indirectly ask both Rutherford and Jim Dougan to get rid of me, and I was at both of those places long before you were. The only place I’ve followed you was to read your fluff so I know exactly who I was dealing with – and I found out more than I needed to know without leaving a comment on you FECKLESS and MEANINGLESS animal blog.

    Let’s review. You chastised Rutherford and weren’t even completely honest in your discernment. Rutherford was quite polite at FAT FUCKIN’ GRANNIES before they called him “DICK”, “TROLL” and a host of other pejoratives. Then and only then did he give them a taste of their own medicine. They were mad at the fact he laughed at my nickname about that hole for a bog, and one of your fellow shrews read through this blog in earnest to find any comment not favorable to their liking.

    Second, you once again started this discussion in comment #102 and both Rabbit and I, and anybody else on this blog reserve the right to call you on your insults – which is what you traffic in about 90% of the time.

    Like I said – you don’t know how to debate. You criticize in a patronizing manner, then run, or whine, or cry. You’re a weak coward and a lousy debater. Frankly, I think it is you in your neurosis that goes looking for trouble, then when you find it, you invariably feign the weak victim.

    Frankly, you’re pathetic and representative of what most men find unattractive in old, burned out and spurned feminists.

    While Rutherford and I agree little politically, we are surprisingly similar in our basic nature. We like conflict; we like debate; we like intellectually stimulating argument, and we both like to joke. I like him.

    Most people who frequent here short of the profoundly stupid Yeller Dawg are cut from the same cloth – it’s a food fight, it’s a bar scene, it’s the playground jungle gym. When you get your pigtails dipped in ink, you cry.

    Perhaps you are the one who is not a fit here. Jim Dougan did, and he did it well. And he liked it too. It’s not Rutherford that has a problem. It is you.

    If you can’t handle the conflict without reverting to your baseless charges of spam, go back to your blog and converse with some spineless hack like Graychin who will spoon feed and entertain you. After he’s done licking your toes for awhile to stroke your fragile ego, you’ll find that becomes rather the bore.

  • 116. an800lbgorilla  |  February 5, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    How exactly was ACORN a hoax?

  • 117. Tex Taylor  |  February 5, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    Rutherford, you’ve gone temporarily brain dead again.

    The ACORN “expose” was a hoax.

    Really? Did the video lie? Is that why they lost their federal funding? A hoax?

    From what Dog is saying, so is this Planned Parenthood deal.

    You’re still putting any trust in what Dawg says? Have you watched the video for yourself? Well, perhaps you can find excuse for this.

  • 118. an800lbgorilla  |  February 5, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    FN,

    I’d like you to go through this thread and tell me the specific points of argument made by the Bitch. I’d then like you tell me what points are outstanding in cross examination.

    You’ll see that substance is not one of his finer points and when he is challenged on his positions, he doesn’t respond. If that is your idea of argument and debate, well, that frankly explains a lot…

  • 119. Rutherford  |  February 5, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    Well, back to what appears to have become the topic of the day … and on a Saturday too! Good heavens.

    FN, the criticism of who populates my “board” is not new. It’s funny but if I had a choice between running a blog like M&H where everyone flocked to say “bravo” all the time, or run mine where everything you say gets challenged, I’d take my approach. Since 95% of what Tex said today involved insulting you, 95% of what he had to say was horsesh*t. BUT his one truth is that M&H gets kinda boring after a while. After you read through comment after comment, you start to feel you’re witnessing a band of zombies all drunk on the same koolaid.

    Your one criticism that is very fair was my vulgarity concerning casual sex. You should have known from the context that I was very frustrated with the debate over at M&H. I do NOT like it when women discuss abortion and take their contribution to the situation out of the picture. Rightly or wrongly, I inferred that from Claire’s story. Pregnancy was something that ‘happened to her”. That got me very angry. Part of being pro-choice is being HONEST about your choices and not making excuses. She and her husband chose to have unprotected sex (for whatever reason … Catholicism, maybe). Pregnancy did not just happen to her. My way of expressing myself that day when I was quite perturbed was to put things in as vulgar a manner as possible. I was, to be blunt, very pissed off.

    What the ladies at M&H don’t understand is I reserve the right to throw my hissy-fit in my own home. It is a sense of decorum, not hypocrisy, that I choose to behave better at their home.

  • 120. an800lbgorilla  |  February 5, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    First off, MB and AQ do not hate each other. Aymen Zawahiri fell out of MB and formed EIJ (Egyptian Islamic Jihad). MB was suspected of having a role in the Sadat assassination, not something peaceniks do.

    MB believes in stealth jihad. Leverage the political system to get a foothold, then change the system from within. This isn’t a new concept.

  • 121. Rutherford  |  February 5, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    MB was suspected of having a role in the Sadat assassination

    Yes, 30 years ago. What I have heard in the media is that they have changed their approach and now disavow violence.

  • 122. Rutherford  |  February 5, 2011 at 9:04 pm

    Also, G, hasn’t CAIR been accused of stealth jihad within the United States? I can’t argue with you about MB but I hope it’s not a case of paranoia on par with the right wing CAIR propaganda.

  • 123. Tex Taylor  |  February 5, 2011 at 9:04 pm

    Rutherford, you’re a true friend. I spend the afternoon defending you, and then you make this statement.

    Since 95% of what Tex said today involved insulting you, 95% of what he had to say was horsesh*t.

    No, it was not. And if Fakename had any sense at all, she would consider what was said, as Rabbit has made the same observation.

    Here’s a promise. I will never defend you again. Though I meant what I said about liking you and finding you interesting, as I do, I continue to for whatever reason, see the best in you. And when push comes to shove, I need to remind myself very often of your real nature.

    You should have learned a lesson from that friend that shit on you when you became inconvenient and unnecessary.
    Do not expect me to defend you here, at BIC’s blog, or anywhere else for that matter again. That’s a promise. :wink:

  • 124. an800lbgorilla  |  February 5, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    Because they don’t think it is the most effective way to gain power. They’ll use it through other proxies, or when they think they can get away with it, but not using the gun doesn’t mean they don’t have any.

    You do realize that CAIR is an unindicted co-conspirator for terrorism financing, right?

    http://www.investigativeproject.org/1854/doj-cairs-unindicted-co-conspirator-status-legit

  • 125. Rutherford  |  February 5, 2011 at 9:10 pm

    Oh Tex, please stop the drama. I appreciated your defense as it concerned the nature of how I run this blog and I said so. But you did spend an inordinate amount of time calling FN names and dealing in matters (like her love life) about which none of us have a clue.

    So … I’m sorry …. I should have thanked you for coming to my defense, Actually, I thought I did. :neutral:

  • 126. dead rabbit  |  February 5, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    A hoax? A hoax insinuates that the whole thing is a put on.

    Now, I suppose you could say that a single vile person doesn’t represent PP or a half dozen depraved individuals don’t represent ACORN.

    I’m not sure I’d entirely agree with that defense. But hoax? Nope. Stick your head in the sand if you want, but it aint no hoax.

    MB isn’t in the business of suicide bombing. But what a low standard we have set. You’re “secular” if you don’t strap a bomb to yourself loaded with bits of sharp metal and nails with the intent of blowing the limbs of innocent bystanders. Never mind you envision a theocratic Egypt oppressed by Sharia Law. You just aren’t currently associated with maiming motherfuckers standing in front of a coffee shop. Next we will be told they’re progressive.

  • 127. bvilleyellowdog  |  February 5, 2011 at 9:27 pm

    Some education about MB…
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/03/world/middleeast/03jihad.html

    But never mind I can see the debunking now. It’s via the librul NYT after all.

    As you see it is worth no time to post substance here – it falls on the deaf and the (willfully) ignorant.

    Perhaps Pool and R will read it.

  • 128. fakename2  |  February 5, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    Gorilla, re: #118. I don’t do well with assigned homework. Since I grew up, I assign myself my own homework.

  • 129. dead rabbit  |  February 5, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    Yellow Dog,

    The New York Times states the MB is non violent.

    In fact, it differentiates MB from Al Queda only on the path to Islamic Revolution. In other words, your own link claims MB to be theocratic.

    So, dear sir, could you please explain how MB is secular?

    Or does secular simply mean some one who isn’t a non-suicide bomber?

    If this is only a matte of semantics, let me know, kind sir.

    I’m serious, man. How is the MB secular?

  • 130. fakename2  |  February 5, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    R: re #119. Even back when I was reading M&H, I never read the comments beyond the first few that were posted, because they mostly consisted of “Helen, you are so great and we love you!” I mean, really. But don’t kid yourself. The same thing happens here. Like I said, and now expanding…God, Jews, Muslims,, Obama, abortion, liiberals, fasicists, doom…I could go on.
    i agreed with you at M&H, but it was too late for you to recover. As it seems I am here :)
    Next comment: a detailed description of my appearance and love life. which will clear up any misperceptions. Lol. Not! Just kidding!
    But thanks, R, I’m glad you didn’t take my comments as personally as you might have, and I appreciate your defense as well.

  • 131. dead rabbit  |  February 5, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    The MB couldn’t afford to be violent less they all be skinned alive. That’s why our tyrant friendo worked out so well and why I argue need another one.

    Is non violence one of their pillars? Are you willing to bet on that one? Wasn’t in the past. Radical Islam allows violence, we all know that.

    However, you could be right. Islam seems to weave it’s way into Turkey peacefully. Hell, it’s the secular army that threatens the democracy of that place.

    So, it’s not impossible, I suppose.

    One thing that I’m positive of, the entire point of the MB is make Sharia Law the law of the land.

    It amazes me I have to remind so called “progressives” this, but Sharia Law is pretty much everything you guys stand for. Then again, you don’t really have much to say about the women and gays who live under this system of theocratic fascism.

    Egypt is well acquainted with the MB as they have been around since the British Imperialism days. The Middle Class have been at odds with them since the revolts against the UK.

    So, as much as I think tyranny is the best case scenario for American interests, the compassionate side of me wishes the Egyptians the best.

    The Shanty Towns of Egypt scare me.* What if the MB promises bread and water? I’m sure an expert could better answer this. But, what is the MB’s relationship with the hitherto silenced and destitute majority in Egypt?

    *Has Obama’s monetary policy directly affected food prices? Wheat and Q2 sure seem to be suspiciously doing a tango with one another.

  • 132. dead rabbit  |  February 5, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    “Even back when I was reading M&H, I never read the comments”-fakename

    Yet, your are so very concerned about our comments. So much so, that you feel the need to call Rutherford out on how we are ruining his blog. And the hypocrisy continues……

  • 133. dead rabbit  |  February 5, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    “Or does secular simply mean some one who isn’t a non-suicide bomber?”

    The Rabbit isn’t very smart

  • 134. dead rabbit  |  February 5, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    Tex, my wife is still blind in one eye. Things suck around here.

  • 135. dead rabbit  |  February 5, 2011 at 10:35 pm

    but Sharia Law is pretty much everything you guys stand for.

    Stand against!

    I’m a moron

  • 136. Tex Taylor  |  February 6, 2011 at 12:08 am

    Oh Tex, please stop the drama. I appreciated your defense as it concerned the nature of how I run this blog and I said so. But you did spend an inordinate amount of time calling FN names and dealing in matters (like her love life) about which none of us have a clue.

    You know what Rutherford? I’ve had about enough of your condescending drama comments – I like you, but I don’t think you’re that stupendous. You have tendencies to get a big head (it’s already big enough from the picture) and get cocky after one or two compliments. And that is one trait I have very little patience for. While I appreciate the opportunity and the forum, I think I give a lot more than I take anymore because your posts are good for one or two comments, and not much more.

    Your blog has become kind of a gathering place, and I’m not sure the gathering due solely to your talents. I think I will make myself less conspicuous.

    Having said that, perhaps Fake is right. I really do think you deserve your own field of bleating sheep out of the Fat Grannies pasture. Shoot, I’d even take Nasty Lips advice and start “moderating” comments. She provides so much of substance over their with her genius at her blog, you’ll love her dictating rules to you. And you are just going to love the stimulating conversation. Perhaps you’ll get 21 “I want to be just like you Rutherford!!!”, “I wish you were my Daddy!!!!”

    Since I am the most regular Conservative here, I have noted I”m kind of the last of the regular Mohicans – most of the reich wingers have been making themselves a lot less conspicuous recently. Maybe you can get some more of those old babes at Fat Grannies to follow you over, even get Densico back if we leave. That really ought to stimulate your cerebral cortex and up the ratings. :wink: You always did remind me of the proverbial henpecked, emasculated male anyway, and I think you deserve that crowd after all your hard work.

    So, here’s the deal “R”. I’m going to revert back to my Chen days. My discussions of and about you and your writings will now be on other blogs, and not all of them on WordPress. If you’re interested, you’re just going to have to come seek them out. And please don’t tell that oozing slut Fake you’re coming, because then I will have to get especially hateful. :smile:

    Hopefully, low thyroid finally takes its toll, Fake develops goiter, and explodes, with her final departure her dogs eating her remains. :twisted:
    ————–

    Rabbit, I’m sorry to hear about your wife. What happened to her is just tragic, and it always happens at the most inopportune times. Wish I could help. But other than the general discussion of the eye, I couldn’t add much. And I’m certainly not as qualified to talk about that as an ophthalmologist. All I can say is take one day at a time.

  • 137. Rutherford  |  February 6, 2011 at 12:26 am

    Oh I might add that Tex in 115 did nail down exactly what happened at M&H. To my surprise, I was subjected to the kind of reaction I’ve only previously received at conservative blogs. ;-)

  • 138. Rutherford  |  February 6, 2011 at 12:41 am

    For the record, I wrote 137 before reading Tex’s 136. Tex, again, I should’ve given you more credit for parts of comment 115. Unfortunately when you throw flames it knocks the good stuff out of my head. Like it or not, that’s the truth.

  • 139. Rutherford  |  February 6, 2011 at 12:49 am

    Thought I’d end the night with a song appropriate to the foreign affairs issues of the day:

    “Effigy” by CCR

    Last night
    I saw a fire burning on
    The palace lawn
    O’er the land
    The humble subjects watched in mixed
    Emotion

    Who is burnin’?
    Who is burnin’?
    Effigy.
    Who is burnin’?
    Who is burnin’?
    Effigy.

    Last night
    I saw the fire spreadin’ to
    The palace door
    Silent majority
    Weren’t keepin’ quiet
    Anymore

    Who is burnin’?
    Who is burnin’?
    Effigy.
    Who is burnin’?
    Who is burnin’?
    Effigy.

    Last night
    I saw the fire spreadin’ to
    The country side
    In the mornin’
    Few were left to watch
    The ashes die

    Who is burnin’?
    Who is burnin’?
    Effigy.
    Who is burnin’?
    Who is burnin’?
    Effigy.

  • 140. Hucking Fypocrites  |  February 6, 2011 at 1:44 am

    I just love how an article, regardless of where it comes from, that mentions something a total of 1 time is now seen as “some education.”

    Google is obviously not yielding any results to the query “secular muslim brotherhood”

  • 142. poolman  |  February 6, 2011 at 2:05 am

    I watched the uncut PP videos. The girl, Amy Woodruff, was fired Tuesday. She is definitely breaking the PP rules and goes so far as to agree accept bribes from the fake pimp. It has the same flavor as the O’Keefe ACORN sting, but isn’t as fraudulent. I researched after Neil posted on his blog. Abortion is his hot topic. As a matter of fact, I first encountered him when he came of to M&H’s the last time abortion was the topic a year or so ago. Abortion is such a dividing issue that will never be resolved, imo.

    My 2 cents, for what it’s worth…

  • 143. dead rabbit  |  February 6, 2011 at 2:17 am

    The only CCR song I never get sick off…..

  • 144. bvilleyellowdog  |  February 6, 2011 at 10:32 am

    http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/02/05/ronald_reagan_apartheid_south_africa&source=newsletter&utm_source=contactology&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Salon_Daily%20Newsletter%20%28Not%20Premium%29_7_30_110

    Reagan supported racists

    1. Reagan was one of our most popular presidents

    2. Reagan was a tax-cutter.

    3. Reagan was a hawk.

    4. Reagan shrank the federal government.

    5. Reagan was a conservative culture warrior

    all false

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2011/02/04/ST2011020403674.html?hpid=topnews

  • 145. bvilleyellowdog  |  February 6, 2011 at 10:34 am

    and the regressives continue to get punked…

    and as predicted my MB link was dismissed out of hand w/o any substantive commnet. As per normal – a waste of time here.

  • 146. an800lbgorilla  |  February 6, 2011 at 11:34 am

    Bitch, I read the link, there wasn’t anything substantive there.

    More to the point, you’ve been asked to defend your position on the MB and you haven’t. If you think that link was defense, then you’re an idiot.

    FN,

    You made a position. I challenged your position and asked you to defend it. You refused. Last I checked, debate was countering positions going back and forth, while all you’re doing is going up and down…

  • 147. dead rabbit  |  February 6, 2011 at 11:53 am

    Yellow Dog, how did that Times piece claim the MB is a secular force in Egypt?

    If you don’t want to discuss this matter and rather call me names like Regressive, fine by me. Its your loss. At least Greychin didn’t mind rolling up his sleeves and hashing things out. If I didn’t know better, I would guess you are a teenager.

    You deserve to be called out by fellow libs.

    This is what fakename claims is a good thing?

    I’ve respectfully requested you to back your claim up. You’ve done nothing but call me silly names and post one link that refutes your own point.

    How is the MB secular?

  • 148. dead rabbit  |  February 6, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    I’ve never seen FN defend a single position on here. Even stupid shit like a claim about the comments. Point out said comments to her, challenging that claim, and its now a homework assignment.

    The question is, why does she come here?

  • 149. fakename2  |  February 6, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    Um, No, Gorilla. That isn’t exactly right. My definition of debate involves the free and RESPECTFUL expression of ideas “back and forth”, without resorting to name-calling (think: “Bitch”). It also does not include demands on the other person. That amounts to directing the work of another, and puts you in control of the discussion. That, I think is what really annoys you about me…I don’t fall for it.
    Either you accept my opinion or you don’t. No amount of sourcing will change that, and even if I did, my sources would be dismissed as “having no substance”. Sound familiar? And this, coming from someone who posted a Breitbart video about Planned Parenthood three comments into a post about Egypt. See my point?

  • 150. dead rabbit  |  February 6, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    Fakename, Yellowdog starts off every one of his silly unsubstantiated bumper stickers with an insult. I’m so glad you’re concerned with how we respond to the wise and graceful Yellow Dog.

    Personally, I’ve tried to engage with him respectfully for days now.

    I’ve only got lame names, no sticks or stones.

    I know pointing you to the very comment section that you feel the need to continually judge is a homework assignment, but will you at least take our word for it that your buddy Yellow Dog as offered nothing but baseless quips and barbs?

    I’m begging you Yellow Dog. How is MB secular and what did the Times article you linked prove?

  • 151. dead rabbit  |  February 6, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    ” someone who posted a Breitbart video about Planned Parenthood three comments into a post about Egypt.” -fakneme

    Lady!!! Will you give it a rest? Will you please stop commenting about the comments on comments that deal with comments!!!??

    Dude.

    For the last time, this has always been an open forum. We always discuss R’s post and we debate many other things!

    Why is that such an issue for you?

    Rutherford doesn’t give a fuck. He posted a CCR video for shits sake!!!

    You’re moving into the realm of hilarity. You know that don’t you?

  • 152. fakename2  |  February 6, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    Rabbit: I believe I previously pointed out that Yellowdog is sniping, and makes that clear himself (herself? do we really know? I don’t, and don’t care), having said that he long ago came to the conclusion that I am rapidly approaching. You may also recall that I disagreed with Yellowdog about the “secularity” of the Muslim Brotherhood. THAT is debate. But I didn’t call him a bitch in the process.
    In answer to your question, I come here for Rutherford’s posts…because I generally like the way Rutherford thinks and the things he thinks about. I initially came here because I was referred by Jim Dougan.
    It amuses me that you guys have your favorite liberals. Even Graychin, now that he’s gone, has some redeeming qualities all of a sudden.
    The question now is, why do YOU come here?

  • 153. El Tigre  |  February 6, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    Fakename, you really are like the word police. I wondered for a moment whether you even realize it. Given how frequently it’s pointed out, it’s clear to me now that you do. You just don’t care. It’s your way of trying to accomplish exactly what you accuse other here of. i.e. stifiling/controlling the dialogue.

    Rutherford, I said earlier that you kind of deserve the treatment you get at the Fat Grannies blog. Fakename’s critique and feigned offense is more of the same. “Bouncing on hard dicks” (or however you put it) is blunt, real, and legitimate. Everyone here is an adult. It’s the whiny liberal tactic of deeming language and imagery off limits to quash the point, i.e. control the dialogue. You know, everything like recklessly labeling your oppnent’s spirtited commentary “hate speech,” or evidence of racism, or in your case mysogeny or whatever the fuck they were getting at. Please don’t cave into that shit. It’s just a device to shut down spirted and effective dialogue; not promote dialogue. If it were, we’d hear more substance from Dr. Dog and Fakename. My point obtains.

  • 154. El Tigre  |  February 6, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    You mean “Dr. Yellowbitch?”

    My faovrite liberals engage the point and work to convince of me that their views are correct. Hippie did that and so does Rutherford when he wants to. You on the other hand. . . are not one of my favorite liberals.

  • 155. bvilleyellowdog  |  February 6, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    “Um, No, Gorilla. That isn’t exactly right. My definition of debate involves the free and RESPECTFUL expression of ideas “back and forth”, without resorting to name-calling (think: “Bitch”). It also does not include demands on the other person. That amounts to directing the work of another, and puts you in control of the discussion. That, I think is what really annoys you about me…I don’t fall for it.
    Either you accept my opinion or you don’t. No amount of sourcing will change that, and even if I did, my sources would be dismissed as “having no substance”. Sound familiar? And this, coming from someone who posted a Breitbart video about Planned Parenthood three comments into a post about Egypt. See my point”

    Pretty good summary – look at regressive comments one after another – they all fit the mold – and it frustrates the hell out of them that we don’t bite. the old blog tricks have failed. Maybe try getting honest? Nah….

  • 156. fakename2  |  February 6, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    Rabbit, I doubt I will stop commenting about the comments, this being such an open forum and all. Tigre…I’m heartbroken to learn that I’m not one of your favorite liberals. Even real debates have rules and limits. If you think not, try using some of that blunt, real, and legitimate language in court. Spirited and effective dialogue? Yours being the example? Please.

  • 157. dead rabbit  |  February 6, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    “Rabbit, I doubt I will stop commenting about the comments, this being such an open forum and all.”-fakename

    Well, I guess you got me there.

  • 158. fakename2  |  February 6, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    I meant to say also…Thanks, Yellowdog. I’m starting to enjoy the position of insubtantive member of the word police.

  • 159. dead rabbit  |  February 6, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    I tried to engage Yellowdog.

    A mere statement, such as” the sky is brown” or ” MB is secular” is not an opinion.

    I’ve engaged him several times respectfully. I never attacked his source. I read it twice.

    He is a joke. An Elric.

    He can only be ignored.

  • 160. Hucking Fypocrites  |  February 6, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    “and as predicted my MB link was dismissed out of hand w/o any substantive commnet.”

    That’s because your MB link offered nothing substantive on the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Again, the article mentioned the organization a total of 1 time. And in that 1 mention, it did not say that they were secular.

    There isn’t anything more to say about it.

    If you want more discussion, then YOU are the one who needs to provide the substance.

    Now you’ve been asked several times by multiple people. What makes the Muslim Brotherhood secular, as opposed to being Muslim, as their name clearly states that they are?

    I honestly researched the possibility that there might be something out there saying the MB was indeed secular. Guess what…..I couldn’t find anything.

  • 161. bvilleyellowdog  |  February 6, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    :LOL what a loser. Keep it up. More more. Reply to the contents of the or STFU.

  • 162. dead rabbit  |  February 6, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    Um, yeah Hucking, shut the fuck up you loser. And…the debate on the secular MB comes to an end.

    That cracked me up.

  • 163. dead rabbit  |  February 6, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    Hey Yellow Dog, I put peanut butter on my weaner for you.

  • 164. Hucking Fypocrites  |  February 6, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    I guess I need to break out the crayons so dog can follow along…

    A link was posted to back up the claim that the Muslim Brotherhood is secular. Let’s take a look at the 1 instance that the MB is even mentioned in the article…

    “The jihadi groups, which created mayhem in Egypt in the early part of the last decade, were largely crushed by Mr. Mubarak’s government, and do not enjoy popular support. They face structural challenges in Egypt, where the Muslim Brotherhood, a conservative but nonviolent organization, forms the best-known political opposition.”

    That’s it. There is absolutely no more mention of the MB in the 2-page article.

    What more am I supposed to say? This does not say that the MB is secular. It says that they are non-violent. Non-violence does not equate to secularism.

    We cannot comment any more about the contents of the article as it relates to your claim because there isn’t any more to comment on.

    You know, dog. You have yet to reply to the contents of the link, yourself. You told us it would educate us on something, but that isn’t really replying to its contents.

    Would you care to comment on the contents of your link for the first time in this discussion, or are we the only ones expected to do it? (As we have done now multiple times)

  • 165. Hucking Fypocrites  |  February 6, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    Dog got so excited telling me to shut the fuck up he couldn’t even get all the words out.

  • 166. Hucking Fypocrites  |  February 6, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    Let’s try this….

    Dog, here is a link to the Muslim Brotherhood’s official English website.

    Here is what the official website of the Muslim Brotherhood has to say…

    “The Muslim Brotherhood is the worldsoldest,largest,and most influential Islamist organization.”

    That was the first sentence, BTW.

    So, according to the Muslim Brotherhood, the Muslim Brotherhood is Islamist…not secular.

    I’m pretty sure that is checkmate. Thanks for playing. Now shut the fuck up, loser.

  • 167. El Tigre  |  February 6, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    “Even real debates have rules and limits. If you think not, try using some of that blunt, real, and legitimate language in court. Spirited and effective dialogue? Yours being the example? Please.”

    What is mine?

    Oh. Sorry. You were making my point for me. Thanks Fakename.

    But you can answer if you want.

  • 168. dead rabbit  |  February 6, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    That was because of the peanut butter

  • 169. bvilleyellowdog  |  February 6, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    O sorry for posting a NYT article. The reading level here is grade one potty talk – so way over your heads. People say lots of things about themselves that ain’t true. Faux calls themselves a News station after all. Bottom line is the MB is peaceful and has been by policy since 1928 – and the Islamic jihadists hate them for it – that is what the article says DUH.. Want a democracy in Eygpt??? Won’t happen. If you think it will go review some history. English democracy started more or less with the Magna Carta – took hundreds and hundreds of years to mature. The French by contrast had no such history and chopping off the king’s head was followed by a century plus of “republics” and new kings – none democratic. How is that Russian democracy doing? Poor – and will be for a long long time. Or that joke of a “democracy” in Iraq – same – won’t happen in your life time.

  • 170. dead rabbit  |  February 6, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    Lol. You said secular. Duh.

  • 171. Hucking Fypocrites  |  February 6, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    And there you have it, folks. When the Muslim Brotherhood writes on its official website that it is an Islamist movement, they are simply lying. Instead, we should listen to the dog that has yet to provide a single piece of evidence to support his claim that they are secular.

    “O sorry for posting a NYT article.”

    You can continue to try and say we are attacking the NYT instead of the content, and you will continue to come up short. Nobody cares that it is the NYT. You want to know why it doesn’t matter that it is the NYT? Because even the NYT is not saying that the MB is secular.

    “Bottom line is the MB is peaceful and has been by policy since 1928 – and the Islamic jihadists hate them for it – that is what the article says DUH.”

    But being peaceful is not the same as being secular. And there isn’t any reading level that is going to change that.

  • 172. bvilleyellowdog  |  February 6, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    Heaven forbid the truth get in the way of the regressive meme – so utterly predictable. Big brother said so.
    I see Cheney is kissing Mubarak’s ass. Well of course he was our guy and helped do our torture dirty work.

  • 173. El Tigre  |  February 6, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    Avoidance extraordinaire!

  • 174. Hucking Fypocrites  |  February 6, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    Here’s some more from that lying secularist Muslim Brotherhood website…

    “Since its founding in Egypt in 1928, the Muslim Brotherhood has sought to fuse religious revival with anti-imperialismresistance to foreign domination through the exaltation of Islam. At its begin- ning, the Brotherhood di?ered from earlier reformers by combining a profoundly Islamic ideology with modern grass-roots political activism.The Brotherhood pursued an Islamic society through tarbiyya (preaching and educating),concentrating first on changing the outlook of individuals,then families,and finallysocieties.Although the Brother- hoods origins were lower-middle class,it soon pushed Islamization into the local bourgeoisie and then clear to the palace. At the same time, it formed the armed Special Apparatus, replicating Young Egypts Greenshirts, the Wafds Blueshirts, nascent Nazi Brown- shirts, and other paramilitary organizations that were rife in the Middle East at the time.”

    What a bunch of liars! Don’t they know the word is out that they are, and always have been, a secular movement?

  • 175. Hucking Fypocrites  |  February 6, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    “Big brother said so.”

    If by “Big brother” you mean The Muslim Brotherhood, then yes..they did say so.

    But as you said…they are liars.

  • 176. Hucking Fypocrites  |  February 6, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    “Heaven forbid the truth get in the way of the regressive Muslim Brotherhood meme – so utterly predictable. Big Muslim brother[hood] said so.”

  • 177. fakename2  |  February 6, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    I can’t say for sure, but I think Yellowdog is at least partially pulling your leg(s). Just look at all the hoops you’ve already jumped through. He warned you that you were easy to disturb.

  • 178. Hucking Fypocrites  |  February 6, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    Unlike yourself, I don’t consider backing up what I say as “jumping through hoops.” I consider it a fundamental requirement of being taken seriously in a discussion.

  • 179. dead rabbit  |  February 6, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    Dude isn’t pulling our legs. I went over to Greychin’s blog to check out what’s with this guy. It’s the same thing over there. Vague one liners about how he hates conservatives. For whatever it’s worth, this is all he has to offer.

    There used to be a conservative who posted here named Elric that was just like him. I couldn’t stand that guy either.

  • 180. Rutherford  |  February 6, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    He posted a CCR video for shits sake!!!

    Hey that CCR video was on topic! :-D

  • 181. Rutherford  |  February 6, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    Dog got so excited telling me to shut the fuck up he couldn’t even get all the words out.

    LOL sorry but that did crack me up. Even in writing a blog comment it’s possible to stutter and speak almost incoherently in frustration. :-)

  • 182. Rutherford  |  February 6, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    At the risk of infuriating Dog, I shall now appoint myself his attorney in this matter. The defendant pleads temporary insanity.

    The Muslim Brotherhood is at least supposedly peaceful.

    They are not secular.

    The defense rests and throws itself on the mercy of the court.

  • 183. Rutherford  |  February 6, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    One factoid I learned today: Lots of people are worried about another 1979 Iran. According to British journalist Katty Kay, Egypt does not have the clerical infrastructure that Iran did in the late 70′s. In other words, the Ayatollah had a well formed religious network on the ground ready for his takeover. That network does not currently exist in Egypt, so if for example the MB gained power, they would not have a grass roots organization to help them dominate.

  • 184. dead rabbit  |  February 6, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    I think Al Queda is the wild card. My bet is they are going to reek havoc and gain many new recruits who splinter from MB. I wouldn’t want to be a Copt right now.

    I could be wrong, but Sunni Islam doesn’t have the semi centralized structure that 12er Shiah Islam has.

    I need to read up on it all. Just don’t have the damn time. I get a little more ignorant every day as I slowly morph into Sensico.

  • 185. an800lbgorilla  |  February 6, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    That’s partially right R.

    Egypt has a very robust Islamic academia, and provides a significant amount of Sunni Islamic instruction. It would be through these types of venues that a clerical base would initiate it’s position. That said, the MB has an enormous amount of influence through the mosque structure of the state.

  • 186. an800lbgorilla  |  February 6, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    Um, No, Gorilla. That isn’t exactly right. My definition of debate involves the free and RESPECTFUL expression of ideas “back and forth”, without resorting to name-calling (think: “Bitch”). It also does not include demands on the other person. That amounts to directing the work of another, and puts you in control of the discussion. That, I think is what really annoys you about me…I don’t fall for it.
    Either you accept my opinion or you don’t. No amount of sourcing will change that, and even if I did, my sources would be dismissed as “having no substance”. Sound familiar? And this, coming from someone who posted a Breitbart video about Planned Parenthood three comments into a post about Egypt. See my point?
    ” – FN

    Debate, defined…
    –noun
    1. a discussion, as of a public question in an assembly, involving opposing viewpoints: a debate in the Senate on farm price supports.
    2. a formal contest in which the affirmative and negative sides of a proposition are advocated by opposing speakers.
    3. deliberation; consideration.
    4. Archaic . strife; contention.
    –verb (used without object)
    5. to engage in argument or discussion, as in a legislative or public assembly: When we left, the men were still debating.
    6. to participate in a formal debate.
    7. to deliberate; consider: I debated with myself whether to tell them the truth or not.
    8. Obsolete . to fight; quarrel.
    –verb (used with object)
    9. to argue or discuss (a question, issue, or the like), as in a legislative or public assembly: They debated the matter of free will.
    10. to dispute or disagree about: The homeowners debated the value of a road on the island.
    11. to engage in formal argumentation or disputation with (another person, group, etc.): Jones will debate Smith. Harvard will debate Princeton.
    12. to deliberate upon; consider: He debated his decision in the matter.
    13. Archaic . to contend for or over.

    FN, I don’t fucking care what your definition of debate is. And no, debate is not about acceptance. But you’ve provided a great teachable moment: “Either you accept my opinion or you don’t.” Sounds like faith to me, which is what we commonly get from the left- emotional screeds full of feeling and devoid of facts and logic.

    You defended the Bitch, and I challenged such a stupid position. I said look at what he has said and what he has provided, and it isn’t substance. Little of what he ever says is full of substance.

    Which brings me to you. I’ve been nice to you, mostly because I’ve had little reason to be otherwise. But then you go off casting stones about a lack of substance- sister, you’re an empty vessel if I ever saw one. You bitch, moan, whine and complain about others, but provide absolute shit to the discussion at hand. I ignore the vast majority of what you say because you don’t say anything.

    So, you can live in your little universe where fairies pound each other in the ass and facts are these arbitrary nuances of perception, but if you are going to step into the arena of ideas, don’t cry when you get your teeth kicked in…

  • 187. fakename2  |  February 6, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    Gee, Gorilla. Thanks for that definition of debate. And your last paragraph is such an illuminating example of it. It brings new meaning to the phrase “the arena of ideas”.
    Rabbit, what you call “backup” I call linking to someone else who agrees with you. I’m perfectly willing to accept your opinion on its face. If you can’t express an opinion without having “backup”, then….whatever. Not to mention that your “backup” is unimpeachable, whereas Yellowdog’s is always invalid.
    The last and possibly the only useful link I’ve seen here is Tigre’s, when he posted the actual link to the judge’s decision from Pensacola in the matter of the health care issue. I;’m almost sorry to have to say that, since he jumped on the Bash Fakename Bandwagon. But it is what it is.

  • 188. El Tigre  |  February 6, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    “I;’m almost sorry to have to say that, since he jumped on the Bash Fakename Bandwagon. But it is what it is.”

    Just calling ‘em likes I sees ‘em.

    Having provided the link to the opinion, I’m wondering what use you made of it. Care to comment on it?

  • 189. dead rabbit  |  February 6, 2011 at 11:58 pm

    “Not to mention that your “backup” is unimpeachable, whereas Yellowdog’s is always invalid.”-fakename

    I don’t even know how to make sense of that. When have I been a stickler over sources?

    I know you won’t even look at the very comments that you like to police and categorize, but all I can say is I read the Dog’s link, took it at face value and pointed out that it didn’t remotely address the…cough..secularism of the MB.

    I think you should go back to your blog and exchange mundane pleasantries about yesterday’s news on Pluto.

  • 190. Hucking Fypocrites  |  February 7, 2011 at 2:37 am

    “The last and possibly the only useful link I’ve seen here is Tigre’s, when he posted the actual link to the judge’s decision from Pensacola in the matter of the health care issue”

    Aw c’mon. Linking to the Muslim Brotherhood website in a discussion about the ideologies of the Muslim Brotherhood doesn’t rate any points?

  • 191. an800lbgorilla  |  February 7, 2011 at 6:37 am

    No, no, Huck- if you can’y articulate your own opinion, well, then clearly you’re a moron. And how dare you source a comment with outside references! I’ll bet her college papers were a real hoot. “…But, but, but, this is what I feel…

  • 192. poolman  |  February 7, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    Christians defending Muslims defending Christians. Despite what the news tells you here in zionist controlled American news, The two religions have been getting along for much longer than we have even existed as a nation.

  • 193. poolman  |  February 7, 2011 at 7:30 pm

  • 194. dead rabbit  |  February 7, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    Poolman, the Godfather of my kid is a Lebanese Christian. I have friends who are like brothers to me who are Palestinian Orthodox. I grew up with Arabs my whole life. Trust me, Islamic and Christian relations have gotten ten times worse in the last ten years in the Middle East.

    The Chaldeans, Assyrians, Palestinians and Maronite people say it has never been worse since the Crusades.

    Throw in the Druz and the Zoroastrians in the mix and we have straight up “religious cleansing” going on throughout the entire Middle East. Wake up man.

    That being said, of course you can find countless examples of Muslims and Christians getting along. As you can Serbs and Bosnians. There are Catholic Churches that have been protected by Muslims for centuries.

    It’s the growing popularity of radical Islam we deem ominous. You should do.

  • 195. dead rabbit  |  February 7, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    So, today I’m driving down 8 Mile, on my way to the dentist. As I pass a day care center, I notice a SUV backing up with a 2 year old in a little snow suite behind the truck. I hits him, knocks him down and then I pass.

    I slammed on the brakes. I must have fell 5 times in the snow bank running to the scene. I think I was screaming No!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The car ran him over or dragged him. I don’t know which.

    The woman backing up was already outside of the car crying. Apparently the little boy’s Grandmother was fiddling with a car seat and the toddler apparently took off over a toy he dropped in back of the lady’s SUV.

    The baby was balling but alive.

    We were all shaking and hugging. The women were sobbing. All three of us were thanking Jesus. Jesus is usually distant and almost abstract to me. I’m telling you, I was thanking Jesus from my heart.

    I don’t even know how, but I was the one holding the baby. I thought for sure his legs were at least broke. I called 911 and gave a statement to police.

    As it turns out, the little boy wasn’t remotely hurt. It’s a miracle.

    Despite the positive outcome, I keep seeing the little guy behind that SUV being run over. I can’t get it out of my mind, tonight.

    I’ve seen people die in accidents before. But man, seeing a toddler in one. Wow.

  • 196. poolman  |  February 7, 2011 at 11:54 pm

    It’s the growing popularity of radical Islam we deem ominous.

    I am sure relations have gotten worse in the last 10 years. Look at what we have been doing for that time. How many of the people that we have killed, wounded, routed, destroyed their homes, towns, and land were responsible for 9/11, our “justification” for all this? 94 percent of Afghanis have never even heard of 9/11. So the resistance is very likely retaliation for the crimes committed daily by Zionists and us, their sympathizers. How much can any people take before they fight back?

  • 197. poolman  |  February 8, 2011 at 12:02 am

    Rabbit, thank God that baby was unhurt. Your life has been way too exciting lately. Hopefully it will mellow out and you won’t have to deal with so much trama. Awesome turnout for the baby. Still got your wife on my prayerlist.

  • 198. dead rabbit  |  February 8, 2011 at 12:32 am

    Fighting back?

    You call the oppression of native minority religions,” fighting back”?

    I suppose the genocide in Sudan was “fighting back”.

    The plight of the Bah’ai and Zorastrians in Iran “fighting back”?

    The fact you call the ethnic cleansing of minorities “fighting back” is telling.

    Your Middle Eastern “puzzle” is made up of a few massive, simplistic pieces: Israel, Muslim victims and America.

  • 199. dead rabbit  |  February 8, 2011 at 12:37 am

    Poolman,

    I noticed a typo in the baby-SUV accident report.

    It hit him. I didn’t hit him.

    I can’t get the image out of my mind.

  • 200. poolman  |  February 8, 2011 at 1:03 am

    Rabbit, re 199, I understood you were not the one that hit him.

    Re 198, listen to this interview and see how things likely progressed in the past 30 years…

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/163828.html

  • 201. Rutherford  |  February 8, 2011 at 1:11 am

    Rabbit, what a terrifying experience. Must be some weird stuff in the air tonight. My wife was driving home from a parent’s meeting at night when some assh*les threw ice-laden snowballs at her car. Fortunately didn’t break the windows. But scared the living crap out of her at a time when she really doesn’t need any extra stress. She called the police as soon as she got home. I doubt the bastards will get caught.

    We see so many tragedies on the nightly news that we forget that sometimes stuff turns out ok. That kid got lucky and you did the right thing trying to come to his aid.

  • 202. Rutherford  |  February 8, 2011 at 1:13 am

    On a lighter note, I’ve been running a survey to rename my Internet radio show. Someone [cough] Rabbit [cough] offered a write-in suggestion:

    “Gollum and the Gash”

    What would I do without my fan base? :-)

  • 203. dead rabbit  |  February 8, 2011 at 1:47 am

    Lol…I needed a laugh. Thanks.

    I could never handle war.

    I can’t stop replaying what I saw this evening in my mind.

    I’m on no sleep.

    My mind just can’t slow down. It bounces from one worry to the next only to take a 5 second commercial break consisting of a toddler being run over by a truck. Ha ha.

    Fucking life, man. Its not even easy for those of us who have it easy.

    Buddha claims all suffering is caused by desire. Yeah, no shit, chubby. Sue me if I desire a world where 2 year olds aren’t run over by trucks.

    Sara Palin or the driver of that SUV are not the causes of the world’s problems. Fucking Chaos, man.

  • 204. an800lbgorilla  |  February 8, 2011 at 7:10 am

    The PC crowd will piss themselves (read: FN), but damn being jaded can be funny…

    Marine Corps Rules:

    01. Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.
    02. Decide to be aggressive enough, quickly enough.
    03. Have a plan.
    04. Have a back-up plan, because the first one probably won’t work.
    05. Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
    06. Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun whose caliber does not start with a ’4.’
    07. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap Life is expensive.
    08. Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend (Lateral & diagonal preferred.)
    09. Use cover or concealment as much as possible.
    10. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.
    11. Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.
    12. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.
    13. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating your intention to shoot.

    Navy SEAL Rules:

    1. Look very cool in sunglasses..
    2. Kill every living thing within view.
    3. Adjust Speedo.
    4. Check hair in mirror.

    US Army Rangers Rules:

    1. Walk in 50 miles wearing 75 pound rucksack while starving.
    2. Locate individuals requiring killing.
    3. Request permission via radio from ‘Higher’ to perform killing.
    4. Curse bitterly when mission is aborted.
    5. Walk out 50 miles wearing a 75 pound rucksack while starving.

    US Army Rules:

    1. Curse bitterly when receiving operational order.
    2. Make sure there is extra ammo and extra coffee.
    3. Curse bitterly.
    4. Curse bitterly.
    5. Do not listen to 2nd LTs; it can get you killed.
    6. Curse bitterly.

    US Air Force Rules:

    01. Have a cocktail.
    02. Adjust temperature on air-conditioner.
    03. See what’s on HBO.
    04. Ask ‘What is a gunfight?’
    05. Request more funding from Congress with a ‘killer’ Power Point presentation.
    06. Wine & dine ”key’ Congressmen, invite DOD & defense industry executives.
    07. Receive funding, set up new command and assemble assets.
    08. Declare the assets ‘strategic’ and never deploy them operationally.
    09. Hurry to make 13:45 tee-time.
    10. Make sure the base is as far as possible from the conflict but close enough to have tax exemption.

    US Navy Rules:

    1. Go to Sea.
    2. Drink Coffee.
    3. Deploy Marines

    Go Navy!

    And the next… (You’ve got to love the military, and God bless them all.)

    U.S. Navy Directive 16134 — Inappropriate T-Shirts )

    The following directive was issued by the commanding officer of all Naval installations in the Middle East. (It was obviously directed at the Marines.)

    To: All Commands
    Subject: Inappropriate T-Shirts
    Ref: ComMidEast
    For: Inst 16134//24 K

    All commanders promulgate upon receipt:

    The following T-shirts are no longer to be worn on or off base by any military or civilian personnel serving in the Middle East :

    1. ‘Eat Pork or Die’ [both English and Arabic versions]
    2. ‘Shrine Busters’ [Various. Show burning minarets or bomb/artillery shells impacting Islamic shrines. Some with unit logos.]
    3. ‘Napalm, Sticks Like Crazy’ [Both English and Arabic versions]
    4. ‘Goat – it isn’t just for breakfast any more.’ [Both English and Arabic versions]
    5. ‘The road to Paradise begins with me.’ [Mostly Arabic versions, but some in English. Some show sniper scope cross-hairs.]
    6. ‘Guns don’t kill people. I kill people.’ [Both Arabic and English versions]
    7. ‘Pork. The other white meat.’ [Arabic version]
    8. ‘Infidel’ [English, Arabic and other coalition force languages.]

    The above T-shirts are to be removed from Post Exchanges upon receipt of this directive. In addition, the following signs are to be removed upon receipt of this message:

    1. ‘Islamic Religious Services Will Be Held at the Firing Range at 0800 Daily.’
    2. ‘Do we really need ‘smart bombs’ to drop on these dumb bastards?’

  • 205. Rutherford  |  February 8, 2011 at 11:47 am

    G, the Air Force didn’t make out too well in that joke. I wonder what branch of the service the author was from — probably the Marines. :-)

  • 206. poolman  |  February 8, 2011 at 11:55 am

    Gorilla’s post, though quite amusing, shows why our nation building skills need serious honing.

    Dupe me once, and dupe me twice, and dupe me once again…

  • 207. Rutherford  |  February 8, 2011 at 11:56 am

    Fucking Chaos, man.

    You see Rabbit this is one of several reasons I don’t struggle to find religious faith. We praise Jesus because the child was not hurt. What would have been Jesus’ alibi had the poor child been crushed?

    Sometimes we deal with seemingly random sh*t for which there is no rationalization. Good innocent people die or are injured and real evil bastards walk free. By the same token, evil folks often get what’s coming to them and great works are rewarded. If God and Jesus help it all make sense to you, then more power to you my brother.

    For me, it’s just a day at a time and try to avoid the damage.

  • 208. Rutherford  |  February 8, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    Poolman, this is one of the reasons I want so badly to overlook Ron Paul’s piss poor race record. On foreign affairs the guy is untouchable. Can you imagine if he were President? Can you imagine the tailspin this country would go in? Hell, I wouldn’t put it past certain factions to have him assassinated. He speaks a truth that no one wants to hear.

    Think about it … we tell Sadam your gripe with Kuwait is none of our business, deal with it …. and then when he acts, we bomb his ass.

    This is new news to me. I always believed the first Iraq war to be a righteous one. Now I have to rethink it. :-(

  • 209. an800lbgorilla  |  February 8, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    Do we build nations?

    If so, who’s responsibility is it? And based on this answer, why aren’t they there?

  • 210. bvilleyellowdog  |  February 8, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    Ron Paul ? Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. He’s an idiot – and his spawn is worse.

  • 211. poolman  |  February 8, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    Do we build nations?

    Not very well, that’s for sure. I think that is what we are supposedly doing in Afghanistan. “Protecting” them from the Taliban our old buddy Ronald Reagan was so complimentary and supportive of. I think that was the latest excuse offered for the purpose of our occupation and imperialist expansion there. Or it may be just to ensure a healthy bumper opium crop. That may be just a bonus, though. It seems that is what we’re protecting with our soldier’s lives.

    Sort of what we did in Iraq, too, except it was to take out an “axis of evil” dictator, a threat to whirled peas. The UN is supposed to aid in the nation building, but we don’t listen to them if they aren’t singing our tune de jour.

    yellowdog, you know any democrats that got balls like Ron Paul does? The only one I know lost the last round at the elections. Ron even has gone after the FED. I like him. I don’t think he has enough support to ever get anywhere, but he definitely is on our side. I’m not total sure about Rand yet. He did earn points with me for wanting to cut back “defense” spending and money to Israel. I’d rather see these guys in congress than the corporate whores we got stealing us blind.

  • 212. Hucking Fypocrites  |  February 8, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    So dog…when is Mubarak leaving? Those couple days you gave him are about up, no?

  • 213. Hucking Fypocrites  |  February 8, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    “I’d rather see these guys in congress than the corporate whores we got stealing us blind.”

    You mean like our president?

  • 214. bvilleyellowdog  |  February 8, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    if you think Randy Paul might be great stuff go look up the budget he just proposed….. Of course like Ryan’s budget very few repugs and zero repug leadership will get behind it. Granted he cuts defense – but also eliminates support for education and energy – talk about regressive lunacy. And yes he’s a racist like his daddy.

    “when is Mubarak leaving” are we still cheering on fascist dictators are we? Soon enuf I wager – Cheney and his ilk aside.

  • 215. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  February 8, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    Soon enuf I wager – Cheney and his ilk aside.

    Oh Noes! The Ilks is comin’, the ilks is comin’!

    Tell me, Tom Swift, is your analysis of this as informed and knowledgable as your command of history regarding the US internment of citizens during the first and second world war, or is your understanding of the world still confined to a tea cup?

  • 216. bvilleyellowdog  |  February 8, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    “With a new wave of demonstrations in Tahrir Square on Tuesday — by some measures the largest anti-government protests in the two-week uprising — Egyptians loudly rejected their government’s approach to political change and renewed their demands for the immediate resignation of President Hosni Mubarak.”

    Tick tock…

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/09/world/middleeast/09egypt.html

    Regressives ever trying to hold back history….tick tock tick tock

  • 217. Tex Taylor  |  February 8, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    This must piss you nags, hags, shrews, runts, militant queers, pagans, teabaggee, and ballsucking psychophant types from the Left off big time….

    ——-

    You know all those crazy Creationist Texans that are supposedly removing Thomas Jefferson from the U.S. History books!!! OMG! They’re anti-science!!! OMG!

    Well spooks, loons, witches and deviants….

    THEY JUST CAME IN 2nd IN THE NATION IN THE NATIONAL SCIENCE TEST – only beaten by the Dept. of Defense schools.

    Men like Yeller Runt are lying sacks of shit. Eat this Dawg, you ignorant asshole! :lol:

    http://www.tea.state.tx.us/news_release.aspx?id=2147495390

  • 218. Meribeth  |  February 8, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    hmmm…I’ve been out of town. Stopped by to say hello, ask after Mrs. Rutherford and Mrs. Rabbit, and see what folks thought about the Super Bowl. And I am greeted by Tex’s colorful patois. Yikes. I’m afraid to read any more comments!

  • 219. El Tigre  |  February 8, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    You stopped by Rutherford’s to talk about the Superbowl?

  • 220. Meribeth  |  February 8, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    I was being a little facetious there.

  • 221. dead rabbit  |  February 8, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    ” You see Rabbit this is one of several reasons I don’t struggle to find religious faith.”-R

    Well, I’m not usually one to talk about another man’s relationship with God, as my house isn’t in order.

    That being said, because you have nowhere to categorize unmitigated evil, I have no doubt that you create a synthetic realm for it that also happens to be in step with your politics. Because God can’t give you order, you create your own. Thus, this month Sara Palin became Satan for you. You will never admit it, but you make her omnipotent.

    I agree with you and differ with Tex. I believe being a Christian is irrational. The leap of faith requires it.

    However, you can’t see that you are religious too. You worship man. You create Satan. And it’s just as irrational as when I thanked Jesus last evening.

  • 222. dead rabbit  |  February 8, 2011 at 11:23 pm

    Meribeth, my wife is still blind in that eye.

  • 223. Meribeth  |  February 8, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    Rabbit–I am so sorry. I am hoping that it’s too soon to know her prognosis and that the doctors have reason to believe she’ll recover her vision.

  • 224. dead rabbit  |  February 8, 2011 at 11:43 pm

    Meribeth, there is still much hope. We’re back with the eye specialists tomorrow.

  • 225. Meribeth  |  February 8, 2011 at 11:54 pm

    I am glad to hear that–my thoughts will be with you. Will check back tomorrow night and hope for good news.

  • 226. Rutherford  |  February 9, 2011 at 12:17 am

    However, you can’t see that you are religious too. You worship man. You create Satan. And it’s just as irrational as when I thanked Jesus last evening.

    That’s an interesting point. We all do create our “threat focus”, that thing upon which we heap all of our perceptions of evil. And if one goes too overboard with it (as I might occasionally with Sarah ;-) ) it does become irrational.

  • 227. Tex Taylor  |  February 9, 2011 at 12:18 am

    I apologize Ms. MeriBeth,

    I’ve slowly but surely breaking myself of this place starting last Sunday as it time to start recapturing my life after such a long time, but periodically I run across something that flies in the face of they lies and distortions brought by the fickle liars of the Left. And that result was too good to pass up, as it was a lie passed on this very blog several months back.

    I though you had pretty much left the blog, or I would have been more careful with my language. Mea Culpa.

    And I had seen where you were indeed honest and forthright in your pro-life stances, before being insulted for it. Typical.. I was pleased to read that perhaps you do have a degree more class than most feminists I’ve met. :smile:

  • 228. Tex Taylor  |  February 9, 2011 at 12:29 am

    Rutherford, I’ve decided you’re pretty much a shallow jerk, a political hack without a shred of loyalty or real understanbding, partially explaining why you arrive at the conclusions you do…and I’m pretty much done with you

    but…

    ..The “Jesus saved me” stuff that I read about? While God may occasionally intervene, and I have had doctors from experience tell me they have witnessed miracles that pass medical understanding, for the most part I agree with you.

    God seems to allow natural law to reign the great majority of the time. I chalk things up to dumb luck or fate, because to say otherwise stipulates God chooses who to let live or die without apparent reason- some cosmic tyrant; and I don’t believe that. Matter of fact, it’s been my experience when I try to draw closer to God, sometimes my life gets a whole lot rougher. Take from that what you will…

    This may be the only time I’ve seen you be somewhat astute concerning by religion, though by accident.

    Faith is not dependent upon miracles.

  • 229. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  February 9, 2011 at 1:01 am

    Matter of fact, it’s been my experience when I try to draw closer to God, sometimes my life gets a whole lot rougher. Take from that what you will…

    To be expected when you threaten someone’s power…

    What? Too Screwtape Letters for you? ;-)

  • 230. dead rabbit  |  February 9, 2011 at 1:24 am

    The course of natural law is the course God chose .

    He is, by definition, all knowing.

    If God chose to detach himself from natural law, to make himself essentially forget what he created, doing so would render God no longer all knowing. God would no longer be God.

    If he does not chose to forget, all of natural law is a product of divine intent.

    Yet, I believe God can do just what you said: it’s a miracle. I believe miracles exist in the deductive world as well as in day care parking lots.

    Everything in God’s creation is a miracle. It has to be or God can’t exist. God only reveals himself through miracle.

    I’m not bringing up these crusty college kid logic games to snipe, after all, I’m making the argument that God is not bound by this tired act. However, its impossible to just ignore them and hope they go away. That’s why they’re so crusty.

    So I leap…

  • 231. Tex Taylor  |  February 9, 2011 at 2:11 am

    To be expected when you threaten someone’s power…

    What? Too Screwtape Letters for you? ;-)

    Absolutely. But you don’t think Rutherford is going to understand that, do you? :smile:

  • 232. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  February 9, 2011 at 2:24 am

    “Count it pure joy when the world comes crashing, hold your head up and keep on dancing.”

  • 233. an800lbgorilla  |  February 9, 2011 at 6:43 am

    I’d like to hear the Bitch’s solution to the Middle East, and to U.S. foreign policy in general. This should be interesting…

  • 234. an800lbgorilla  |  February 9, 2011 at 7:03 am

    Come on Bitch, we’re all still waiting on you to back up your claim of MB secularism.

    Admit it, you either said because you’re incredibly ignorant or because you’re a lying sack of shit. Either way, point blank and without any doubt, you’re wrong.

    Muslim Brotherhood text reveals scope of radical creed

    They detail the Brotherhood’s objectives of advancing the global conquest of Islam and reestablishing the Islamic Caliphate, the public and private duties of jihad and the struggle Muslims must wage against Israel.

    The full text, translated by PMW, will be posted Wednesday on the organization’s website, Palwatch.org.

    “The Islamic ummah,” it says, referring to the supranational community of Muslims, “can regain its power and be liberated and assume its rightful position which was intended by Allah, as the most exalted nation among men, as the leaders of humanity.”

    Elsewhere, it exhorts Muslims, “Know your status, and believe firmly that you are the masters of the world, even if your enemies desire your degradation.”

    Marcus spoke to the Post about what he views as the danger of downplaying the Brotherhood’s ideology, or expecting it to moderate its objectives after being allowed into the political process. The movement differs from international terror groups like Al-Qaida, he said, only in tactics, not in its goals.

    Marcus cited passages in the text that urge Muslims to wage jihad only when circumstances are ripe.

    “The Brotherhood is not rushed by youth’s enthusiasm into immature and unplanned action which will not alter the bad reality and may even harm the Islamic activity, and will benefit the people of falsehood,” Mashhur wrote.

    “One should know that it is not necessary that the Muslims repel every attack or damage caused by the enemies of Allah immediately, but [only] when ability and the circumstances are fit to it.”

    Jihad is the Way explicitly endorses the reinstatement of a worldwide Islamic regime.

    It should be known that jihad and preparation towards jihad are not only for the purpose of fending off assaults and attacks of Allah’s enemies from Muslims, but are also for the purpose of realizing the great task of establishing an Islamic state and strengthening the religion and spreading it around the world.

  • 235. an800lbgorilla  |  February 9, 2011 at 7:14 am

    An interesting take on the Egyptian crisis from NightWatch ( I got through email)…

    Egypt: The day of departure demonstrations were large but not as large as those earlier in the past ten days. Low turnout for a Friday after prayers.

    The Wall Street Journal reported during this Watch that the Egyptian administration is now searching for a graceful way to superannuate Mubarak. Vice President Suleiman would wield executive authority, while Mubarak remains the titular head of state.

    Comment: This arrangement obviously has been one of the government’s fall back position in appointing a Vice President. It also is a weakness in the personal system of government Mubarak created. Apparently Himself and his cronies forgot that the Vice President is not the constitutional successor to the Presidency. It is the Speaker of the Parliament.

    In a genuine presidential system, such a power arrangement would be the next of all worlds, but Egypt has a hybrid system. New laws or constitutional amendments would need to be passed to enable the Vice President to succeed the President.

    It is not certain how much this would satisfy the anti-government opposition because Suleiman is the top spy of the old regime.

    News coverage. Today al Jazeera provided reports on demonstrations up and down the Nile Valley in the tens of thousands, even though its base in Alexandria got sacked. Oddly, it seemed to be the only news organization with access to all of Egypt’s major cities, despite the crackdown on the international press. Its English language service supplied a mosaic of unrest that no other news sources reported, including Arabic sources. To be specific, no other news sources corroborated the al Jazeera reporting about unrest, except in Cairo and Alexandria.

    Special Comment: An alternative interpretation. Most old hands will attest that little is ever straightforward in the Middle East. The mainstream Western media interpretation of events is simplistic, linear and narcissistic: huddled Egyptian and other Arab masses yearning to breathe free but thwarted by sclerotic, venal dictators and their cohorts. It’s an underdog story that is spontaneously fresh, it’s just not true.

    The sclerotic, venal dictator part might ring partly true, but none of the rest is. There are just too many anomalies, inconsistencies and signs of planning. Unlike Tunis, the protestors in Cairo have been organized and supported for ten days. Their banners have been huge and professionally printed. Security forces have been more restrained than in any prior uprising in Egypt.

    It is not credible that the Egyptian Army would tolerate protests against the commander in chief without having been directed to do so by people in the chain of command. This is deep Arab politics.

    The protests never connected, but in a real revolutionary scenario they always connect. Demonstrations occurred in outlying cities, but they appeared to have no linkage to events in Cairo, where power resides. This was obvious after cell phone and social media services were cut.

    In hindsight, the cutting of these services looks like an indicator of an Egyptian government investigation into the backers/instigators/financiers of the demonstrations in Cairo. The demonstrations continued to follow the script, but with much less energy. Without cell phones and internet, the demonstrations should have collapsed into confusion, but they did not. That is a manifestation of planning.

    There has been no crescendo. Friday sputtered when it was supposed to climax.

    Even in Pakistan, anti-Musharraf or anti-Zardari protestors started their marches in the outlying towns, gathered strength and converged on Islamabad. That is the normal centripetal pattern. It was demonstrated, for example, in the ouster of Indonesia’s Soeharto; the overthrow of Thai prime minister Thaksin and the ouster of Ben Ali from Tunisia. That is not what has happened in Egypt and it points to outside interference and artifice.

    The alternative interpretation is that a powerful Arab leader has used Egypt as a battleground in a proxy fight with Saudi Arabia for leadership of the Sunni Arabs. Al Jazeera’s role in reporting on events in Egypt points to Sheikh Hamad who considers himself a progressive and a leader of the Arabs. He has the wealth to buy whatever effects he seeks to create in the present economy.

    Al Jazeera has been much more than an objective news service. It has been the news service that has reported information that no other services have reported and which appears exaggerated, if not fabricated.

    Thus, it is not clear what has transpired in Egypt in the past ten days. A month ago, the concern was that Islamists might be gaining ground. In the past ten days, almost miraculously, voices of western-style democracy surfaced. It is simply not credible.

    If it is has been a proxy fight for leadership of the Arabs, at this point, it looks like the challengers lost. Mubarak stays. The Army is in charge, but the other linkages are broad and not yet clear.

    The oldest leaders of the Arab world are Mubarak and Saudi King Abdallah. They come from different directions, but their interactions with Israel have created greater regional stability than the efforts of any of their predecessors. They are nearing the end, inviting leadership challenges. More instability is likely in the region, but not because Arabs want western democracy.

  • 236. Rutherford  |  February 9, 2011 at 10:48 am

    But you don’t think Rutherford is going to understand that, do you?

    Tex is right there. Even though I recall references to the Screwtape letters elsewhere on this blog, I don’t know WTF BiW is talking about. He further confounded me with his crashing/dancing followup comment.

    So all I can reply is:
    I am the walrus. Coo coo ka choo.

  • 237. poolman  |  February 9, 2011 at 11:28 am

    Rutherford, as Christians, we are not of this world. We are to be advancing the Kingdom of God which is opposed to the Kingdom of this world, this world’s system – satan’s domain. Effectual believers are fighting a spiritual battle and the enemy does everything he can to destroy us and make our lives miserable. If we are being attacked in all areas of our lives, then we are making a difference against evil. Therefore, we are to be joyous when trials come our way.

    If a Christian is not suffering attacks, likely he/she is no threat to the devil. The devil distracts us in many ways. His goal is to divide and conquer and involve us in our own little worlds, not understanding the power we have over the darkness.

    Jesus tells us in this world we will have tribulation. He also tells us to be of good cheer, for He has overcome the world.

  • 238. bvilleyellowdog  |  February 9, 2011 at 11:56 am

    “I’d like to hear the Bitch’s solution to the Middle East, and to U.S. foreign policy in general. This should be interesting…”

    Anyone who says they have all the answers is a liar – but for starters:

    1) Don’t pander to Zionists
    http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=7AE7328B-E192-4605-B664-4757491D36AB

    In general if we don’t look fair and balanced we are powerless.

    2) Get involved in negotiating. Dubby tried sitting on his hands and ignoring the situation – didn’t work DUH.

    3) Get off middle east oil. Start out by a revenue neutral tax on middle east oil that gives a subsidy to domestic energy.

    4) Get on the side of democratic movements – not fascist CIA toadies.

  • 239. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere  |  February 9, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    He further confounded me with his crashing/dancing followup comment.

    Well, it was actually a response to Tex, but we can’t have you even more confounded than you already are, so here is some context for you:

  • 240. Rutherford  |  February 9, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    That was unusually optimistic of you BiW!

  • 241. bvilleyellowdog  |  February 10, 2011 at 10:30 am

    http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/angry-white-man

    speaking of Ron Paul:
    “But, whoever actually wrote them, the newsletters I saw all had one thing in common: They were published under a banner containing Paul’s name, and the articles (except for one special edition of a newsletter that contained the byline of another writer) seem designed to create the impression that they were written by him–and reflected his views. What they reveal are decades worth of obsession with conspiracies, sympathy for the right-wing militia movement, and deeply held bigotry against blacks, Jews, and gays. In short, they suggest that Ron Paul is not the plain-speaking antiwar activist his supporters believe they are backing–but rather a member in good standing of some of the oldest and ugliest traditions in American politics.”

  • 242. Rutherford  |  February 10, 2011 at 10:50 am

    Well, the newsletters are the very reason I can’t give my whole hearted support to the man. ‘Tis a shame that someone who speaks such truth in some areas is so full of crap in others.

  • 244. Hucking Fypocrites  |  February 10, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    Not that I believe him, but….

    Egypt Info Minister Denies President Mubarak Plans to Quit

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