Time to Fish or Cut Bait

KAJAKI, AFGHANISTAN - OCTOBER 08: U.S. Marine SSgt. Dan Gracia (L) of New York City and Sgt. Louis Rosas of Santa Barbara, CA, attached to India Battery Battalion, 12th Marine Regiment, patrol near Forward Operating Base (FOB) Zeebrugge on October 8, 2010 near Kajaki, Afghanistan. The Marines of India Battery, 3rd Battalion, 12th Marine Regiment are responsible for securing the area around the Kajaki Dam on the Helmand River. (Photo by Scott Olson/Getty Images)

Last week I was watching a discussion on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” which really resonated with me. The concept was not particularly novel or profound but it merits recording here on the blog. The discussion revolved around our protracted involvement in Afghanistan and the conclusion drawn is one I think makes sense.

First, however, I wanted to briefly refresh my memory about our major wars of the second half of the 20th century. It’s actually kind of depressing to read about it. From a casual glance, one gets the impression that we Americans love to fight and love nothing more than fighting against the spread of an ideology with which we don’t agree. Whether or not that ideology is any real threat to us is another matter entirely.  In 1941 we very appropriately declare war on Japan for bombing Pearl Harbor. It is the last time in the 20th century that we actually declare war on a country that hurt us. The next big conflict in 1950 is the Korean War which basically is the result of the US and USSR sharing the spoils of WWII (Korea, a Japanese territory) but then falling out with each other based on ideology (communism). Communist China is our primary foe, with the USSR supplying support. The end of the three-year conflict has us no better off than we were before with a communist North Korea and a non-communist South Korea. China is no threat to the United States at this point, nor have they attacked us, but we jump on the United Nations bandwagon and get involved.

At about the same time, things start brewing in North and South Vietnam with the 50’s ending with our sending “military advisers” to the region. We all know how that turned out. Again, a region that posed no real threat to America other than embracing an ideology we opposed, gets a heap of American youngsters dropped in their lap, many never to return home. The great irony is that the big bugaboo of communism essentially dies of its own flaws in the 1980’s without a single shot being fired. The dreaded Soviet Union dissolves and communist China embraces, in a limited fashion, capitalism. What strikes me about both of these conflicts is our military involvement in regions that did not hurt us, and with no formal declaration of war.

Fast forward to the 21st century. We are attacked on September 11, 2001 by 19 men some of whom trained years earlier in Afghanistan, none of whom were actually from Afghanistan but rather were from Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Egypt and Lebanon. Our response is to attack the country where most al Qaeda training occurred, Afghanistan. While we are at it, we attack Iraq which had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11 and in fact, we dilute our focus in Afghanistan and increase our military activity in Iraq. We declare war on neither country. As our effort in Iraq finally draws down, we up the ante in Afghanistan, which by this time has next to no al Qaeda. We expand our mission in Afghanistan to include nation building.

So here we sit today with a commitment to withdraw some troops from Afghanistan in 2011 (ten years after the 9/11 attacks) and most but probably not all troops by 2014. The war is a quagmire. The government we are propping up is disloyal to the United States and basically a sham. Most Americans, honestly have lost interest.

So here is the proposal inspired the “Morning Joe” discussion. Let’s fight us a real good old-fashioned war! It’s a two-step plan that would most definitely make the world stand up and take notice, not to mention knock our fellow Americans out of their complacency.

Step 1: Re-institute the draft.

Step 2: Formally declare war on Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and Saudi Arabia.

It’s basically the Bush Doctrine on steroids. If you knowingly harbor terrorists in your country or you finance them (e.g. Saudi Arabia), we will formally declare war on you and we will come over to your neck of the woods and bomb the living crap out of you until we are sure that you are taking terrorism seriously. The formal declaration is important. It is symbolic. It says that we are not engaged in some fuzzy-defined venture and we are NOT nation building. Any country harboring terrorists bent on America’s destruction is our enemy, end of story, and will pay the price.

This plan needs people to make it work. A volunteer army won’t do. So the draft must come back. And that is a good thing. Right now, we are waging an undeclared war with a small minority of folks, many of whom bear this burden because their civilian options are limited. Yes of course there are many patriots who would be there under any circumstances, but there are also loads of economically lower-middle class to low-class folks fighting this fight while the rich stay safe and cozy. That needs to change. We need forced buy in.

The great consequence of the draft is that anti-war folks finally wake up again. Folks who think a “war on terror” is a pipe dream equivalent to the “war on drugs” suddenly have good cause to hit the streets and protest because their best friend just got sent over to Yemen or their son or daughter just got shipped to Pakistan.

When I look at the last 50 years I see us doing a lot of fighting. Much of it prompted by no real threat to our safety. When the real threat comes, we fight these pseudo-wars with an all volunteer army that takes more than a decade to get the job done. We also tolerate incompetent governments insufficiently committed to stopping the terrorists within their own borders.

2011 is the year we should either pull out all the stops and make everybody take notice, or go home and stop doing a half-assed job that will go on forever.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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175 thoughts on “Time to Fish or Cut Bait

  1. Yes. By all means, let’s formally declare war against a nuclear state.

    Hell, Iran funds Hezbollah, why not go in after them, too?

    I’m guessing there weren’t any foreign policy experts on that Morning Joe panel….

    “The great consequence of the draft is that anti-war folks finally wake up again my daughter won’t be a part of it. ”

    It’s real easy to call for a draft you wouldn’t be contributing to, Rutherford. But hey, so what if you force my boys to go to war as long as it helps you make a political statement, right? Then you can finally be justified in hitting the streets and getting your hippie on. Who knows, maybe they’d get killed and I might even join you in the march, right? Yeah that’d be a real win for the cause, wouldn’t it?

    You’re about 1 step away from Fred Phelps with this shit…

  2. Count on the regressives to not like these dead on facts.
    A universal draft is a great idea – including the girls. NO exceptions – . Even one legged retards serve. Those optional wars would end rapidly if the gated communities started getting thier boys and girls back in boxes. That would not be hippies in the street – but Yale boys.
    More realistically start chopping most of those 800 foreign bases as well as bombers the military does not want and antimissle systems that will never ever work.

  3. Sorry i won’t play that game. Whatever I would say – no matter what proof I would give would get blown off.
    Interesting that you had nothing concrete to say – typical blog strategy when you have lost.

  4. Okay, I admit it. Yeller Dawg Shit has caught me. I’ve been playing games with Rutherford since Day 1 and now I’ve been busted.

    I am,

    El Tigre
    Black is White
    Hucking Fypocrites
    Dead Rabbit & Dead Rabbit II
    Sensico 🙂 Had to throw you off the trail “R”
    MeriBeth
    Poolman
    Alfie

    The PH of D of Useful Idiots has caught me red handed, and I am ashamed. 😳 😳

    But I am curious genius of B-Ville. What is your PHD in again? Because the subject changes from week to week.

  5. So let me get this straight “R”. In your world of wearing some flowers in your hair and Baal worship, the only legitimate war for America to ever fight would be when we’ve been attacked, and only then by declaration of another nation?

    Because we know you were being facetious about declaring war in the Middle East.

    Do I have that right and does that mean we can eliminate NATO and get out of the U.N? 🙂

  6. Fine Tex/Tigre whoever you first. Post that transcript of yours – the one that proves you are a failed med student. And the resume that says you are on welfare.

  7. Tex @ 11 – That isn’t what Rutherford said at all.

    Why will none of the “conservative” commenters here address the real statements of real people – instead of arguing with what wasn’t said, or changing the subject to the Dog’s PhD? (At the risk of offending the Dog, I will testify that his degree is in one of the hard sciences.)

    Rutherford has pointed out in his post that America has fallen into a pattern of fighting half-assed “wars” which have little or nothing to do with “national security.” Korea and Vietnam (and Grenada?) were about fighting the alleged Red Menace and preventing another “domino” from falling. Since the Soviet “Red Menace” collapsed under its own weight and China is something Marx or Lenin (or Mao) couldn’t possibly recognize, we need a new “menace” to keep the pot boiling. Osama provided the perfect foil – Islamic Terrorism.

    Was it Gorbachev who said that he would damage America by depriving her of an enemy? Not to worry. We can always find someone to scare people about. War is good for business. And the business of America – is business.

    I have turned around 180° on my opinion of the Draft. I thought that the Vietnam debacle would have been impossible without the Draft, so was delighted when Nixon ended it. But now I see that ten years in Afghanistan and the debacle in Iraq would have been impossible WITH the draft. Bush would never have invaded Iraq if he had faced the political fallout from angry draftees and their families and friends. A draft might even have meant inconveniencing Bush’s and Cheney’s own privileged offspring. As we know, neither of those two gentlemen wished to be inconvenienced by the unpleasantness in Vietnam.

    Rutherford, I’m on board with you. No more half-assed wars. No wars without a Congressional declaration of war. (The half-assed authorization used to justify invading Iraq is a historical embarrassment.)

    And it’s time for the rest of us to share some of the sacrifice being borne 100% by our miltary families. Hell, our politicians won’t even ask the rest of us to help pay the bills.

  8. Ruth – you could improve this site a lot by deleting off topic comments. Chances are the trolls would leave – that is all they are here for – trolling.
    I have stated my degree here previously and the school. The trolls just did not like the answer.

  9. Fine Tex/Tigre whoever you first. Post that transcript of yours – the one that proves you are a failed med student. And the resume that says you are on welfare.

    State it again for the record. Was it physical chemistry or biochemistry? 😈 The guy that can’t spell “their” correctly with a PHD in Physical Chemistry? Right?

    No need to post resumes, as I’m betting simple questions from this ‘welfare queen’ will quickly demonstrate you’re a fraud.

    If you’re a PHD as you attest, these should be a matter of no consequence. Of course, you won’t be able to “google” an answer either, so we’ll give you and hour or two.

  10. Graychin, you may be surprised to learn that I agree with you in large part concerning the draft.

    I have stated here and elsewhere that I believe it would do our country much good for all physically capable male graduates upon graduating from high school, to enter into our military for a period of some agreed upon time.

    In addition, you’ll be even more surprised that the one “tax” I would agree to is upon a declaration of war, is that all citizens rich and poor to pay an additional equal percentage of their wages (say 1%-2%) to finance the war. No progressive scale.

    You make $100 a year, you pay $2. You make $1,000,000 a year, you pay $20,000.

    The tax is immediately rescinded by law when the war is declared over.

    Seems fair enough to me.

  11. Tex – do you have anything to sat about Rutherford’s post?

    Or would you rather build your dossier on the Dog?

    See #18. Your moronic pal is a pathological liar Gray. And your party to his lying, making you a buffoon.

    Congratulations on lending your name to your “shared” blog with the “Doctor.” 😉

    By the way, what kind of a dossier should I build concerning nothing but hot air? Dawg’s page is blank – hot, but blank.

  12. Actully one can google my degree. Go to it.

    Be happy to. And exactly what is your proper name, you animal?

    Dawg? Yellow Dog? Ruffy? Muffin?

  13. Why limit your draft to males? Because you don’t have any sons?

    No. Feel free to add females to the list, if you wish. I think it waters down the military, but if you feel that you need to include females to be fair, so be it.

    I’ll add the daughters to the mix, if you’ll add your little motherly buttercup.

  14. I love how you can tell when you have gotten a regressives goat. They are so easy. It’s the cement.
    BTW they shoould be proud – they just won Clown Ass of the Year Award.

  15. “Damn, all those blog hits for nothing. Just one reader”
    you would get more if that one was booted. Your posts are good – thier responses retarded.

  16. What’s your real name Muffin? Now that you’ve got my goat, I want to look up your sterling educational credentials.

    You can save me the time by announcing the specifics and answers a few very generic questions to test your mettle.

    Come on Doctor. Here’s your chance to shine! 🙂

  17. Tex my admitedly cursory self-refresher on the Korean War has me rethinking the United Nations. When I read “UN forces” I see oxymoron. I thought the charter of the UN was peace, not war.

    Also I may have misread you but I’m not saying our armed response must be preceded by a declaration of war by the enemy. I’m saying an act of war should prompt a declaration of war by us.

  18. “R”,

    I know you like to note that we haven’t made a formal declaration of war, and use the term “War of Terror” lame (which I agree), but liberals such as you and Graychin don’t like the correct terminology. Graychin probably would define the real war as a hate crime or racist, or something of that regard.

    If you want to push to declare a formal war on “Radical Islam”, then I agree with you.

    Just Do IT!

  19. Dog, degrees don’t matter to me in this forum. Tex went to med school and can’t tell the difference between a fetus and an infant. BiW went to law school and thinks states have rights but people don’t.

    In fact the only one here who seems to have gained a bit from study is Huck who at least learned enough to know Islam is not inherently evil.

  20. Right now, we are waging an undeclared war with a small minority of folks, many of whom bear this burden because their civilian options are limited. Yes of course there are many patriots who would be there under any circumstances, but there are also loads of economically lower-middle class to low-class folks fighting this fight while the rich stay safe and cozy.

    That’s a pretty bold statement. John Kerry and Stephen King aside, I presume you have a good source for this assertion?

  21. Huck are you saying we should fear Pakistan? Mutually assured destruction helped the US and USSR keep their dicks in their pants for a good 40 years. Let Pakistan even IMPLY they would nuke us and we should turn their country into an empty parking lot.

    Zardari is a punk who, like Karzai, does not appreciate its ally America. I say f*ck ’em. In fact let’s save our fire power and have India do the job for us. 👿

  22. Rutherford, 😆

    Your ass kissing to keep friends of the same political persuasion is amusing. No wonder you were bullied by those same “friends” when you became inconvenient or not cool enough.

    You failed to learn an important lesson in childhood, and suffer from a malady that used to be called “arrested development”. You’re still perpetually thirteen years old. 🙂

    And may I remind you that it was you, not me, who still hasn’t figured out the etymology of “fetus”, even though it has been provided numerous times.

  23. Oh, and another thing. I need not Graychin decipher for me what you said. It was clear enough. Unlike Graychin, I don’t need have things repeated – this isn’t the classroom where we are tested.

    I jumped to the inevitable conclusion (mixed in with a few colorful metaphors, of course) of where your discussion would need to lead to answer the indirect questions you posed.

  24. Declare war on phoney phony bible thumper “christians” while you are at it.

    Reading???? Clearly not 😆 forte

    Speaking of dogs, that actually made my mouth salivate. By all means, do declare…

    Still got my goat, I guess. 🙂

  25. was it Jesse Coulter who sang that annoying song “I’m not Lisa?” I feel like singing “I’m not Taylor, my name is Meribeth.”

  26. Dog I could be fooled but in all seriousness, Tex and Tigre may be brothers from another mother but they’re not the same people.

    Well okay, now that I’ve been busted again, I guess I should admit that MeriBeth is my mother and Tigre is my twin brother. 😐

    We’re all one big happy family!

  27. “Graychin probably would define the real war as a hate crime or racist, or something of that regard.”

    Got anything in response to what Graychin actually said?

  28. “Tex went to med school and can’t tell the difference between a fetus and an infant. BiW went to law school and thinks states have rights but people don’t. ”

    Rutherford, I admire you more with each post you make.

  29. “I jumped to the inevitable conclusion…”

    Inevitable only in your own mind. Debating the actual issue is hard, and requires thought. Sometimes it even requires nuance.

  30. Rutherford has pointed out in his post that America has fallen into a pattern of fighting half-assed “wars” which have little or nothing to do with “national security.” Korea and Vietnam (and Grenada?) were about fighting the alleged Red Menace and preventing another “domino” from falling

    And instead of letting the military fight those conflicts, they were instead micromanaged and hindered by politicians who chose to piss all over the sacrfices of the soldiers and their families when people whose views of the country and its aims and objectives got their panties twisted up in knots tight enough to make them squeal.

  31. BiW I don’t have a source but the comment is so intuitive as to almost be tautology. I just watched most of the film “Restrepo” and those grunts don’t come from well to do homes.

    BTW, Restrepo is recommended viewing. War up close and personal.

  32. And instead of letting the military fight those conflicts, they were instead micromanaged and hindered by politicians who chose to piss all over the sacrfices of the soldiers and their families when people whose views of the country that did not match the majority of citizens and its aims and objectives got their panties twisted up in knots tight enough to make them squeal.

  33. LOL Tex if you diagnosed hysterectomies based on etymology you’d have your license revoked STAT. When it comes to the fetus dialog, for once YOU were being the intellectual egghead. 🙂

  34. BiW went to law school and thinks states have rights but people don’t.

    No, you ignorant jackass. I went to law school, studied the Constitution, the Constitutional Debates, the Federalist Papers, and even the Anti-Federalist Papers, and I know that States, like the people, were always intended to have representation in the Federal Government, as a means to preserve their own sovereignty, and as a means to prevent Federal excesses and the usurpation and consolidation of power that it was never meant to have.

    But please, continue to wallow in your ignorance. Repeating the talking points you’re given certainly is easier than thinking.

  35. The military wasn’t so much mis-micromanaged in those conflicts (with the possible exception of the triumph in Grenada) as they were sent into battle without military objectives.

    The first question a soldier is supposed to ask himself is “what is my mission?” Or it used to be.

  36. Wow! Now he calls the blog OWNER an “ignorant jackass”!

    I love the sound of clashing intellects. I guess I’ll have to go somewhere else to find it.

    See you on the next thread.

  37. Well, it seems to me to answer any of your original rhetoric, you’re going to have to define for us what constitutes a “real” war and not a “half-assed” war first.

    Was the Gulf War a half assed war or a real war? Was it necessary IYO?

    To read Rutherford’s post, it is impossible to determine if there was any necessary war in the 20th century for the U.S. to enter besides WWII.

    My questions were legitimate ones. Does the enemy need to be a “nation” or nations? Do only domestic attacks on the U.S. count? Should we isolate ourselves? Is the threat of an ideology to be perceived as no threat? Should we consider ourselves “neutral” in every regard but our own personal safety, thereby eliminating the requirement for allies?

  38. BiW I don’t have a source but the comment is so intuitive as to almost be tautology. I just watched most of the film “Restrepo” and those grunts don’t come from well to do homes.

    So “I watched a movie, and therefore my impressions must be true.” Got it.

    See, the problem I have with that is we are always told how the poor and misfortunate suffer academically, with high drop out rates and poor performance in general.
    At the same time, we are told that the all-volunteer military can afford to be very selective about who they take, and that being the case, they turn away quite a few who do not have a high school diploma and/or cannot pass the basic entrance exams…something that makes sense in an institution so integrated with technology. And yet we still hear the canard from people like yourself about how the current conscripts volunteer because there are so few options for them/they can’t do anything else/they’re dumb.

    As long as you’re going to insult them, I don’t think proof of your claim is too much to ask for.

  39. Tex if you diagnosed hysterectomies based on etymology you’d have your license revoked STAT.

    Graychin, can you decipher this statement for me too before you leave? You seem to be able to have a gift of reading Rutherford’s self-professed mind.

  40. Somewhere before this thread is over, I’ll bet MeriBeth will be forced to use the word(s) hysterectomy or abortion. 🙂

  41. America has to be sold on war to get us into these conflicts. Since most of the past wars we have been involved in were proven through documents obtained through the FOIA to have begun with false flag events as a selling tool, I have a difficult time supporting a military draft in America today.

    A volunteer military works fine during peacetime, but apparently not as well during war. 9/11 was a tremendous recruitment tool. Now, because our economy has tanked, the military is the only place some are able to find employment. The benefits of service are still enticing, yet the consequences likely outweigh those in the long run. With the highest ever suicide rates occurring now and the most desertions since the Vietnam war, how could that possibly be reduced or eliminated? What does that say about how “righteous” these conflicts are?

    Our nation is so tied to the military and weapons manufacture that it is difficult to separate the two and form objective opinions regarding the proper use of that force in the world. Too many people profit from war and ongoing conflicts, most of whom have no skin in the game. It’s time we revisit why we are at war and look to whose interests these conflicts actually serve. Our nation would be much better off enforcing real justice here at home, prosecuting the real criminals that get us into these atrocities. Yet we continue to protect them and even promote them, silencing their opponents and discrediting their critics. Gratefully more professionals are getting on the bandwagon. Someday again truth may actually influence our policies and behavior here in the USA.

  42. Wow! Now he calls the blog OWNER an “ignorant jackass”!

    ROTFLMAO …. Gray, I fully expected that. BiW says I don’t understand my constitution and I say his states rights vs individual rights opinions are inconsistent. I’m just a bit surprised getting him to call me an ignorant jackass was just that easy. 😆

  43. Hey Rutherford, I have a question that you can uniquely answer.

    Since it has become all too clear that there be no peace or reconciliation between Conservative and Liberal wants, needs, desires – why the hesitation to simply admit secession probably not only necessary, but actually a good thing?

    Wouldn’t it follow that if Liberals could simply separate themselves from Conservative ideology, everything would be okay? Even great? Dare I say it, John Lennon’s Imagine?

    I can understand the hesitation of the difficulty pertaining to demographics and logistics, but if possible to reach agreement in the sharing of the pie, wouldn’t you prefer for the South, Heartland and most of the Rust Belt to say Goodbye to your world?

    Dawg and Graychin could pack up and share your street. BIC and Alfie would have to move down with me or Brother Tigre. Think of your child’s destiny.

    ♫ Nothing to kill or die for
    And no religion too
    Imagine all the people
    Living life in peace. Ow Ow, Ow Ow Ow. ♫

  44. I love the sound of clashing intellects. I guess I’ll have to go somewhere else to find it.

    Like the Dawg Blog, hey? Thier is were one finds intellectually “stimulating” commentary – assuming it gets through the big red deletion/censoring button technical glitches. (snicker)

    Incredibly stimulating…

  45. Rutherford, I’ll make it easier. When it comes to law, you’re an ignorant jackass.

    Kissing up to bville, who is so obviously lying about his supposed credentials, makes you a pathetic jackass.

    If you’re planing on deleting trolls, bville would be the first go. Without exaggeration whatsoever, I have yet to read a cogent comment from Dr. Bville that is any way connected to the discussion.

    The reason I asked about his degree (which he never answered response to my inquiry) is because there is absolutely no way, none, that someone with the intellectual curiosity or ability to obtain a real PhD in any discipline would spend his time making the worthless comments that he makes here and at Alfie’s. I assume G-chin and Bville are related. However, why you would align rather than distance yourself from him is confounding.

    BTW, I knew we should’ve done more of a Tupac/Biggie-like thing to throw you off the Tex/Tigre trail.

  46. Tigre,

    Dawg and Graychin do make a strange duo. On one hand, you’ve got fibber extraordinaire and borderline moron.

    On the other hand, you’ve got somebody so sure of his superiority, that not only has he deemed that he knows best concerning every imaginable subject, but now he has delegated himself only as worthy to judge content – even when the answers are directed to his very questions.

    Now if you will defer to Graychin’s greatness like Flake does, well then that is correct, permissible – even welcome. And you ought to see how bubbly old Gray becomes. Why, he’s your best friend and always avuncular manner – as long as you defer to Graychin’s proclaimed greatness and brilliance.

    All Hail King George Graychin!

  47. One thing Rutherford has left out of his little historical summary is the unfathomable evil put into real world action by the communists.

    Fighting over the spoils of war, my ass.

    I swear, if it was up to liberals, they would simply strike the millions and millions and millions and millions and millions and millions and millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of people murdered by 20th century communist dictators from the record.

    Not to mention the lives destroyed.

    We will just remember those murdered right now.

    Was the domino theory misguided? Should we not have befriended enemies of our enemies, at times? Perhaps. Hindsight is 20/20.

    But, its telling that Rutherford opines on post WW2 conflict with no mention of the blatant evil that justifiably gave us cause to contain by all means necessary.

    Millions and millions and millions…

  48. “Ruth – you could improve this site a lot by deleting off topic comments.”

    But you guys don’t delete any comments at your bog. Graychin said so.

    Also, your #4, #6, #9, #13, #27, #29, and #35 are all off topic. So you might want to move out of your glass house before you start casting stones, doc.

    “Huck are you saying we should fear Pakistan? Mutually assured destruction helped the US and USSR keep their dicks in their pants for a good 40 years.”

    Yeah and we also never declared war against the USSR or invaded it looking for terrorists. So that comparison is apples and oranges.

    We declare war on Pakistan and invade that country and I can almost guarantee you we will be seeing small-scale mushroom clouds in the desert there.

    I notice you didn’t seem to want to tackle the issue of drafting women or declaring war on Iran.

  49. hysterectomy.

    🙂 I knew it! I knew it! I suppose I was thinking your use would be somewhere more along the lines of, “If I knew something like Tex was going to be my son….” hysterectomy.

  50. “Wow! Now he calls the blog OWNER an “ignorant jackass”!”

    From the sponsor of Bville, the one that went to Alfie’s and called “the blog owner” a troll there, and now holds an unspecified “degree” in some unspecified “hard science.”

  51. Man, one thing the visiting liberals do here is always cry about Rutherford does or doesn’t allow on his blog. (Except for Poolman)

    I bet it gets a little annoying, but Rutherford always stays on his free speech course, no matter how much braying he hears.

  52. Tex? Darling boy? Is it YOU after all these years?

    You abandoned me MeriBeth and look how it turned out! 😳 Do you realize the pain you’ve caused Rutherford?

  53. We were on that family car trip and you were being so, well, difficult. When we stopped at the gas station and you went to the bathroom, we all looked at each other and then Dad hit the gas. Honestly, a few years later, I really was sorry. We never made it back to look for you, what with one thing and another. But we still remember your little face as you ran down the drive way, screaming “MAMA–COME BACK.”

  54. Dad? You never told me about Dad. 🙂

    Truth be known about the difficult part and all, I’m sure my own Mommie Dearest gave at least a fleeting thought to doing just that many a time.

    With cotton in her ears, never looking back.

  55. Since it has become all too clear that there be no peace or reconciliation between Conservative and Liberal wants, needs, desires – why the hesitation to simply admit secession probably not only necessary, but actually a good thing?

    Tex, the Left knows that this would be thier worst nightmare. They wouldn’t have anyone else to stick with the bill for their utopia.

  56. Yes, dearest–Your Daddy Mohammed. You were always the spitting image of him. We always called you “Little Mecca-man” but I must admit that we worried when you seemed to want to wear my burkas instead.

  57. Poolman,

    There are two blessing in my life that I’ve never quite figured out. Miracles, really.

    The first I’ve already mentioned – how Mom tolerated it the first 18 years; had to be sheer misery.

    The second is how my wife hasn’t wised up and run me off – she’s perfectly capable.

    P.S. to Rutherford – Mrs. Tex just came in a few minutes ago, kissed me on the cheek, told me when the movie started, that she loved me. Really! She must have had a weak moment.

    Then Mrs. Tex mentioned to leave the poor people alone and quit being a KIA. In Mrs. Tex lingo, that’s know-it-all. I guess she was probably talking about you, and I don’t think the poor part had anything to do with finances. 🙂

    However, my lib neighbor just brought over a gift pack of Mediterranean pastry this minute. I have her completely fooled. 🙂

  58. Moms are wonderful. I was blessed to have one at home until I left at 18. Aside from being a one time cub scout den mother, her job was raising three boys, cooking and keeping house while dad was working and tending his horse(s). I don’t think many have that same circumstance today and suffer for it.

    The American Dream left the kids in a lurch…

  59. ROTFLMAO …. Gray, I fully expected that. BiW says I don’t understand my constitution and I say his states rights vs individual rights opinions are inconsistent. I’m just a bit surprised getting him to call me an ignorant jackass was just that easy.

    Tell you what, R. Do some research. Don’t stop at Wiki. Figure out why we did not have the direct election of Senators until the passage of the 17th Amendment. Then do some more research and find out who moved to change that, and the excuse given for doing so. Put some thought into whether that was the best solution to the alleged problem, or whether there might have been other means that would not have “fundamentally changed” the nature of representation in Congress.

    When you do all that and show up prepared to conduct a real conversation on the issue, I’ll withdraw the charge of ignorance.

  60. Poolman,

    Me too. Nothing better on earth that a loving, available momma.

    And yes, we are poorer for the fact you mentioned. I don’t think there is any doubt about it. And it shows…

    The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world.

  61. Scientists have found that people with conservative views have brains with larger amygdalas, almond shaped areas in the centre of the brain often associated with anxiety and emotions.

    On the other hand, they have a smaller anterior cingulate, an area at the front of the brain associated with courage and looking on the bright side of life.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/8228192/Political-views-hard-wired-into-your-brain.html

    That would explain a lot, wouldn’t it?

  62. Scientists have found that people with conservative views have brains with larger amygdalas, almond shaped areas in the centre of the brain often associated with anxiety and emotions.

    On the other hand, they have a smaller anterior cingulate, an area at the front of the brain associated with courage and looking on the bright side of life.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/8228192/Political-views-hard-wired-into-your-brain.html

    That would explain a lot, wouldn’t it?

    Gosh. It sure would. Like Carter malaise and his ineffectual and weak response to the embassy hostages vs. Ronaldus Maximus’ “Morning again in America” and decisive response to Quadaffi’s chest thumping and “Line of Death” rhetoric.

    Not to mention all those conservatives continually advocating for the expansion of government and its intrustion into our daily lives “Forrr tttthhheeee CCCCChhhhiiiiiillldren!” and their constant need to demagogue their adversaries as “heartless”, and “mean” because they question the need to redistribute wealth.

    ————————————————————
    As long as you’re into politically motivated science, why don’t you give us a lecture on phrenology, too?

  63. On the other hand, they have a smaller anterior cingulate, an area at the front of the brain associated with courage and looking on the bright side of life.

    This just begs the question. Where’s the courage part of it? I mean, you ought to know Rambo.

    For that matter, where’s the bright side of life? You’re a lot of things Graychin. Being a beacon of light and hope sure isn’t one of them.

    What I think, is that these are the same fine scientific minds that told us we have ten years to live before the tides swallow most of the continental U.S. back in 2000 due to AGW. Now that’s a bright side of life.

    Tell that to Rutherford today about AGW. 😉 He’s shoveling about 20″ of your global warming.

  64. Tex, that “bright side of life” would be that government is here to remove the consequence from every decision and to even remove people’s ability to make decisions or do for themselves because, let’s face it…they just can’t do it without Uncle Sugar’s assistance. And government will continue to tell people until all but those in need of re-education start to believe it!

    BTW, where’s Dawg and his demand that the orginal off-topic comment be removed, or is it just about removing the off-topic comments that run counter to the bubble he lives in?

  65. BIC,

    Tex, that “bright side of life” would be that government is here to remove the consequence from every decision and to even remove people’s ability to make decisions or do for themselves because, let’s face it…they just can’t do it without Uncle Sugar’s assistance.

    Great amygdalas think alike. That is exactly what I was going to say, only you beat me to it. The brighter things in life, as in the One Percenters of that group Graychin believes he best represented.

    Just like here. The only comments or questions deemed worthy are in deference to Graychin. I’ll bet that does make life a little brighter and explains a whole lot.

    Must go. I was voted down. I chose True Grit – A King’s Speech, it is. Three to one here. 🙂 I know what it is like to be a minority Rutherford. 😉

  66. Was the Gulf War a half assed war or a real war? Was it necessary IYO?

    That depends on how you define our role in the world, If we are the world police then the Bush 41 Gulf War was justified. Saddam stuck his nose into Kuwait where it did not belong. If we are not the world police, then it was none of our damn business.

    Does the enemy need to be a “nation” or nations?

    Yes.

    Do only domestic attacks on the U.S. count?

    Yes, for the most part although I might consider an attack on one of our embassies as sufficient trigger but I lean toward attacks on our “homeland”.

    Should we isolate ourselves?

    Economically no. Socially/militarily, I’m thinking more and more, yes.

    Is the threat of an ideology to be perceived as no threat? Should we consider ourselves “neutral” in every regard but our own personal safety, thereby eliminating the requirement for allies?

    An ideology is an ideology. An act is an act. We don’t prosecute Aryan Nation or KKK for what they think. We prosecute them when they commit a violent act or have clearly conspired to do so.

    When it comes to allies, I’m getting sick and tired of the one way street. I know you guys get your rocks off on the American exceptionalism, part of which involves protecting people who don’t give a sh*t about you … or even openly mock you as Zardari has done. We can talk until we are blue in the face, Pakistan is not our ally. After we leave Iraq by year end as Malaki recently said he is looking forward to, let’s see what a good ally he turns out to be.

  67. The most idiotic statement I’ve read on the Rutherford Lawson blog this entire year:

    Should we isolate ourselves?

    Economically no. Socially/militarily, I’m thinking more and more, yes.

    That’s the point – you can’t dumbass and that is exactly why we fought the Gulf War.

    You’ll make a fine, fine Dhimmi Rutherford. If by chance I’m not around, maybe you’ll get the chance of what a real theocracy looks like – charges that you like to throw around so loosely here. And I guarantee you when they hold a scimitar to your throat while they savage your wife and daughter, you won’t have the balls to fight back and while submit like a poodle. Proverbial teat on the boar hog.

    ————–

    BIC,

    The King’s Speech. Forgetting the adventure stuff like Lord of the Rings and Star Trek, the most enjoyable movie, best acting I have seen in at five ten years. Fabulous acting, fabulous story line – everybody is splendid in this one. Puts wooden American acting of this new Ben Affleck generation to shame.

    Excellent – I highly recommend it. There’s some rough language in a few parts, and it is done with a purpose (I don’t want to ruin it), so I don’t recommend it for anyone less than 14.

  68. As long as you’re going to insult them, I don’t think proof of your claim is too much to ask for.

    Your premise seems built on sand BiW. First, who said anything about the armed forces being particularly choosy about who gets in and who doesn’t? Second, are you really citing a high school diploma as the ticket to “the good life”?

    Sure there are rich high school graduates and unemployed college grads but in general not attending college doesn’t open too many doors. I stick to my claim. Your current volunteer enlisted are by no means overrepresented by the upper class. (I’ll go Google some supporting docs later, time permitting.)

    And … unless you’re a snob, calling someone lower-middle class to low class is not an insult. It’s an economic demographic statement of fact.

  69. I notice you didn’t seem to want to tackle the issue of drafting women or declaring war on Iran.

    Sorry Huck … I was letting Gray’s answer stand since I agreed with it but for the record … absotively draft women. They can vote, they earn equal wages (or at least want to) they can die for their country.

    Sure, if we have a paper trail that proves Iran finances terrorists, then we toss them in with Saudi Arabia. I say we go after the hosts first … Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen. Then when the money bags see what we can do, they might change their economic priorities. If they don’t, they’re next on the list for carpet bombing. 🙂

  70. ROTFL Leave it to Tex to choose True Grit over The King’s Speech. Thank &diety your wife has some class Tex! 😀

    I’m just a poor boy, so I’ll be watching King’s Speech on DVD rental when the time comes. 😐

  71. If we are the world police then the Bush 41 Gulf War was justified. Saddam stuck his nose into Kuwait where it did not belong.

    We baited Saddam into attacking Kuwait. That is now known fact. Saddam was ‘quietly assured by the United States that it would have no objection to his claiming his prize – Kuwait’

    The trap had been baited very cleverly by Glaspie, reinforced by Tutweiler’s and Kelly’s supporting comments. And Saddam Hussein walked right into it, believing that the US would do nothing if his troops invaded Kuwait. On August 2, 1990, eight days after Glaspie’s meeting with the Iraqi president, Saddam Hussein’s massed troops invaded Kuwait.

    When George H. W. Bush ordered American forces to the Persian Gulf – to reverse Iraq’s August 1990 invasion of Kuwait – part of the administration case was that an Iraqi juggernaut was also threatening to roll into Saudi Arabia.

    Citing top-secret satellite images, Pentagon officials estimated in mid-September that up to 250,000 Iraqi troops and 1,500 tanks stood on the border, threatening the key US oil supplier.

    But when the St. Petersburg Times in Florida acquired two commercial Soviet satellite images of the same area, taken at the same time, no Iraqi troops were visible near the Saudi border – just empty desert.

  72. If I had a daughter, they would have to kill me before they took her to boot camp.

    You people are nuts with all this draft talk, particularly women.

    The pussification of the USA continues. We’re now talking about drafting teen age girls.

    The whole lot of you need your Grandpappy’s switch, you milktoasters.

  73. A lot of people cite WWII as the last “moral” war we have fought. While that may be true, most don’t realize we had no intention of going to war. It took an attack by Japan to get Americans motivated to enter the war. FDR worked for 10 months to achieve his objective of getting us into that conflict.

    “President Roosevelt (FDR) provoked the attack, knew about it in advance and covered up his failure to warn the Hawaiian commanders. FDR needed the attack to sucker Hitler to declare war, since the public and Congress were overwhelmingly against entering the war in Europe. It was his backdoor to war.”

  74. Your premise seems built on sand BiW. First, who said anything about the armed forces being particularly choosy about who gets in and who doesn’t?

    Turn off the PMSNBC and start perusing news, R.

    But it’s not so easy, requirements have changed.

    “They used to let a small percent of GED’s in, now that’s pretty much gone away,” he said.

    GED’s must be accompanied with college credit, and fitness requirements for men are tougher too.

    “We used to let ’em in at 25 percent now we’ve gone down to 22 percent,” Officer Tibbets said.

    He also says they turn away about 75 percent of people who come into their offices because they simply don’t meet their standards.

    “Narrowing down to the higher quality of people is what we’re looking for,” he said.

    http://www.newschannel6now.com/Global/story.asp?S=13294605

    Its one story. I can find more. Of course, actually knowing people in the military doesn’t hurt, either. It can be a great counterbalance to the nonsense reported in some outlets.

    Second, are you really citing a high school diploma as the ticket to “the good life”?

    Hardly. But there was a time when it was not required to join the military, thus making it an alternate “career of choice” for some people. Now the military is much pickier about the qualifications of the people it takes. What is more is if you read the story in total, you might just start to see where your “Draft ‘Em All and Let the D.I.s Sort ‘Em Out” might create some problems that more time and resources would have to be allocated to address, such as:

    *lack of educational qualifications of inductees
    *inability of large groups of inductees to meet the physical requirements
    *strain on resources and logistics to adequately train, feed, clothe, and house that many inductees

    And … unless you’re a snob, calling someone lower-middle class to low class is not an insult. It’s an economic demographic statement of fact.

    And perhaps I am reading too much into your analaysis, but coming as it does on the heels of similar comments from Jean Kerry’, and Stephen King who were less shy about stating that the volunteers were there because they were too dumb to have any other options, I read it as one.

  75. My daughter was ROTC in HS and was sexually abused. It happens way too often in the military all down the line. It is also notoriously downplayed and covered over by the commanding officers. Women in the military has always been a challenge. For the most part it is still a man’s world. I don’t oppose women the opportunity, I just question how beneficial it will be for both them and the organization. There are a few exceptions.

    Israel drafts men and women, requiring two or three years service. It really has an impact on your perspective.

  76. Women also do not perform well in any kind of job that demands strength, even the few who are in shape (many chicks in the military, dare I say most? are fat and consistently pregnant)

    I went to a pretty intense ship board fire fighting school. When I was stationed in Northern California some of us were also the local firefighters for the small town outside the base. We even had our own fire truck!

    Holy shit do chicks make terrible fire fighters!

    They plain and simply couldn’t do it.

    By the way, the only “real” fire I actually fought was a camp fire that got out of control on the beach.

    Don’t laugh…we worked our asses off all day. The women were once again worthless.

  77. Rabbit,

    You have to understand Rutherford’s confusion. At his house, it’s the woman who is a pillar of strength, hunter, protector of the home, and yard care technician. Rutherford is relegated to sewing doll outfits, ironing, gathering vegetables, and tutu.

    Rutherford is still under the illusion that men and women are equal in every respect. And you know Graychin, for all of supposed lumber prowess and excursions behind enemy lines wears lipstick, panty hose and high heels.

  78. Anyone who doesn’t believe that the US is an incipient fascist state needs only to consult the latest assault on civil liberty by Fox News.

    “Today the press is a propaganda ministry for the government. Any member who departs from his duty to lie and spin the news is expelled from the fraternity.”

    Today no one believes that our country’s success depends on an informed public and a free press. America’s success depends on its financial and military hegemony over the world. Any information inconsistent with the indispensable people’s god-given right to dominate the world must be suppressed and the messenger discredited and destroyed.

  79. Anyone who doesn’t believe that the US is an incipient fascist state needs only to consult the latest assault on civil liberty by Fox News.

    Of course, if true, there is the little matter of the people in the government, willing to receive the information.

    I know it soothes that anxious inner child of yours to point to the right and cry “Fascism!!111!!!!” at anything you don’t like, or the things you pretend to see, but you really need to read this

    http://tinyurl.com/2cd2v2h

    and have that coming to Jesus moment with what you want to believe, and the world that is.

  80. “Sure, if we have a paper trail that proves Iran finances terrorists, then we toss them in with Saudi Arabia. I say we go after the hosts first … Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen. Then when the money bags see what we can do, they might change their economic priorities. If they don’t, they’re next on the list for carpet bombing. ”

    Amazing…simply amazing.

    Remember when everyone was in an outrage because they were certain Bush was going to attack Iran?

    Remember when McCain sang about it?

    Their critics are sure singing a different tune now, aren’t they?

    And it is without dispute that Iran funds Hezbollah and Hamas. They admit to it because they say they are funding freedom fighters and don’t recognize them as terrorists.

    Also…Graychin’s #86 needs to be deleted because it is off topic and hurts my feelings. And if I am not mistaken, my feelings are protected by the constitution.

    See you in the next thread unless I change my mind in an hour!

  81. I know it soothes that anxious inner child of yours to point to the right and cry “Fascism!!111!!!!” at anything you don’t like, or the things you pretend to see, but you really need to read this

    Interesting you would see this as me pointing to the right. The article I linked was written by a former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury during President Reagan’s first term. He was also Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal. Maybe you are reading your own bias into my post. I have read only 10 pages into the book you linked. It seems the author is merely trying to define a specific breed of facism that is unique to Americans and is attempting to pin its origin and characteristics on the progressives and liberals of early 20th century Americans. A blatant attempt to make the right look good. He does point out similar ideological points but fails to draw a definitive conclusion. At least in as far as I have read. He uses a lot of assumption to develop a theme. His own bio reveals his ideology and agenda.

    The book does seem to conflict with the wikipedia definition and several others a google search can reveal. Who is right or wrong is immaterial. The description in either case matches the evidence. Whether predominately right or left ideologically speaking that fascism arises is not the issue here. That we have achieved it in America is.

  82. And it is without dispute that Iran funds Hezbollah and Hamas. They admit to it because they say they are funding freedom fighters and don’t recognize them as terrorists.

    One man’s freedom fighter is another man’s terrorist. It depends on which side you are on.

  83. Yeah we use that one all the time in the social sciences.

    But that’s not the point here. If it were, then none of those countries would make Rutherford’s list because all these jihadi groups claim to be freedom fighters.

    The point was that Iran admits to funding Hamas and Hezbollah, which was in response to Rutherford’s “paper trail” remark.

  84. The book does seem to conflict with the wikipedia definition and several others a google search can reveal.

    Heavens to Mergatroid! You mean that a book that was carefully reasearched and sourced doesn’t match the definitions provided in Wikipedia and the Daily KOStards? Say it ain’t so!!!

  85. Ok…..real spy stuff…I’ve picked up the Cuban numbers countless times on my shortwave.

    This is cold war era….maybe East German?

  86. I found this little piece (that will surely offend Rutherford) funny too. Pictured G-chin the Barbarian the whole time. Oh, the shame. . .

    -Baraka Flaka Flame

  87. DR, what gives with the creepy doll image on the numbers transmission? Was that added for effect — or is it really broadcast that way?

    On second thought, maybe I should ask Poolman. . .

  88. Tigre,

    Don’t laugh – that right there is what Rutherford argues is just and fair, and what makes America strong… no shit. 🙂

  89. I don’t peg Graychin as necessarily a sissy.

    Blowhard? Definitely. Difficult to get along with? Absolutely. From some of his personal stories from building his house and browbeating the blue collar help, to the signs in his office about his expectations of what his clients will pay for, you know the man is the ultimate puffed up peacock and asshole.

    I picture Graychin with his global warming concerns being more like this:

  90. I need to address the millions and millions and millions of dead folks that Rabbit wrote about.

    Do you want us to declare ourselves policeman of the world? If so, it’s a big job and you have to agree to protect dark skinned people who aren’t sitting on huge oil reserves. Let’s start in the Sudan.

    If you’re down with that, I’m right behind you brother. Oh and in that case the draft WILL be necessary.

    P.S. Rabbit there are women currently serving who could kick your ass. You’ve been watching too much Mad Men on AMC. Get out of the early 60’s dude and join us in the 21st century.

  91. “P.S. Rabbit there are women currently serving who could kick your ass.”-Rutherford

    In all seriousness, there may be.

    All I can say is that in my 4 years of service, including being stationed with Marines and various NATO regiments, I have never met a girl who could kick my ass.

    Now, it’s possible that I’m just not a good specimen to be used as a control group. I’m an axe wielding rugged Aqua Vulva man, like Greychin. I’m Achilles with a beer gut. And I’m not afraid to tell you on the internets.

    I say this in all honesty, I miss fist fighting. I even miss getting my ass kicked. My old man had a heavy hand, and I came to enjoy it. I used to search out others who enjoyed it. It’s not some weird masochism I’m after. It’s the awesome adrenaline rush. I know this makes me a weirdo, and I know my son won’t turn out like me.

    So the question is, are there women who can kick the ass of normal, mortal men in the military. And, sadly, there is.

    Outside of the combat troops, the military is full of way too many fat asses, drunks and fembots. Sure, they all go home and puff their chest out while on leave. But, its a myth that most of the military is remotely combat ready.

    You’ve been watching too much Aliens flicks. Sigourney Weaver is a myth.

    Don’t get me wrong. The pain tolerance of women is amazing. They are way tougher then men. They are just physically weak.

  92. That Marine video is hilarious!

    Technically, that now can exist.

    Somebody needs to make that old man with the key drink from his own piss bag.

  93. “I need to address the millions and millions and millions of dead folks that Rabbit wrote about. “-Rutherford

    Fair enough on the “world policeman” stuff. It’s a tough one, and I haven’t come to terms with what America’s role should be in places like Sudan or Rwanda.

    That being said, the genocide by the hands of Communists was much greater then the mob/ethnic violence found in places like Rwanda or Sudan. It was also centrally planned. Even more concerning, Communism was “supposed” to be expansive, by definition. And to a great extent it was.

    Communists murdered more people then all the regimes in World History put together! Think about that.

    There seems to be a disconnect with you and your fellow libs of this fact.

    All analysis of Cold War proxy wars must acknowledge this fact or you are failing to put history in perspective.

    You want to rip the domino theory to shreds from the safety of your Connecticut mansion in the year 2011? Go for it. But, you will remain child like if you omit the millions and millions and millions and millions…..

  94. Ahh the regressive nostalgia for the cold war. These days they have to make stuff up.

    I agree. Progressives bellyache all day about the Patriot Act, never being able to define what personal rights have been intruded, but groping, bullying TSA agents?

    Hey, that keeps us all safe! Got to shake your head at those regressive Progressives. The disconnect is an ocean wide.

  95. “Ahh the regressive nostalgia for the cold war.”

    Make stuff up? Can you give me more then a name calling bumper sticker? I’d be happy to debate this with you. Or is this not a kosher response and you want to run to Rutherford and demand he censors me?

    Start doing the math.

    Stalin’s premeditated starvation of the Ukraine. Mao’s Great Leap Forward. The Gulag prisoners of the USSR aren’t even usually counted.

    Add it up.

  96. “I don’t peg Graychin as necessarily a sissy.”

    And that proves you to be the Tupac to my Biggie. I am certain G-chin is a sissy. But there again, I am certain that he misrepresents his background and mistreats others to feed his ego too.

  97. Here’s another major disconnect with regressives like Yeller Dogshit. They deem SQ755, the banning of sharia law in Oklahoma, unconstitutional and unnecessary. However….

    CAIR’s action in seeking an injunction objectively disproves regressives’ claim that the law is unnecessary and therefore irrelevant.

    Because in order to obtain a preliminary injunction, a party must prove irreparable harm. But if imposition of this law causes irreparable harm, then it cannot be said to be irrelevant.

    CAIR’s act of seeking this injunction proves that they believe the law does change the legal status quo in some fashion, otherwise there would be no harm in leaving the law unchallenged.

    Dogshit and Private Rambo still haven’t figured that much out.

    But Anthropogenic Global Warming – man, that’s proven science, even if the weather says otherwise! Just ask the Yeller Shit.

  98. “Now Tigre, that’s MY kind of Marine!! He’s fierce!”

    Well, thanks to the repeal of DADT, he can also join the ranks of the Village People in case he gets tired of the standard fare in the barrack showers.

  99. And that proves you to be the Tupac to my Biggie. I am certain G-chin is a sissy. But there again, I am certain that he misrepresents his background and mistreats others to feed his ego too.

    Graychin is the miniature version of President Edsel and Mayor Iceberg of NYC.

    Graychin has declared himself Sec. of Meritocracy in and around Buttfuck, OK. And in Graychin’s little world, he probably is the sharpest tool in a very dull shed, with his world consisting of gambling casinos, illegal aliens, meth labs, and B-Ville Yeller Dawgshit.

    This is how Graychin arrives at the conclusion the post office a model of efficiency, global warming his biggest concern for his grandchildren, and President Edsel the reincarnation of Abraham Lincoln.

  100. Whose wars are we fighting?

    Well, I guess if I have to pick the Jew to fight for, I’ll pick Netanyahu over the Jew you all fight for Poolman with your statist ideology, mixed in with a chronic case of America hating.

    Your hero and rabbi Karl Marx.

  101. Just checking to see who we are really taking our marching orders from. It seems you’re a fan of zionist activist Benzion Mileikowsky’s son. The very one that said, “We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq,” and that the attacks – “swung American public opinion in our favor.”

    He sure has a hard on for Iran. I wonder who will do his bidding?

  102. “Make stuff up? Can you give me more then a name calling bumper sticker? I’d be happy to debate this with you. Or is this not a kosher response and you want to run to Rutherford and demand he censors me? ”

    I would enjoy seeing this. Please take him up on that, Dog. Let’s see if you have more than baseless one-liners to offer a discussion.

  103. The make stuff up comment was misunderstood. I have no debate that their were some nasty bad commies. However even back then regressives were using them for thier own ends – which see Senator McCarthy and his ilk – including St Reagan by the way.

    The point is that now that those nasty bad commies are gone for all practical purposes the regressives have to think up new boogie men to keep the rabble shaking in thier boots peeing thier pants and buying more weapons, voting against thier own interests, and handing over thier civil liberties. Hence the fear mongering and invasion of Iraq, the continued invasion of Afganistan long after the baddies are gone, general demonizing of Muslims, not to mention gays, atheists, the dreaded liberals the socialist/communist Obama-care etc etc. etc. etc. Seems to work on some too – just read this blog.

  104. Hence the fear mongering and invasion of Iraq, the continued invasion of Afganistan long after the baddies are gone, general demonizing of Muslims, not to mention gays, atheists, the dreaded liberals the socialist/communist Obama-care etc etc. etc. etc. Seems to work on some too – just read this blog.

    😆 After about four dark Samuel Adams, Dawg actually becomes humorous. It’s like watching a Three Stooges flick – as close to reading slapstick as it gets.

    Which one is Graychin? Moe? That’s about how I picture his haircut.

  105. Spoken like a true scholar Bville.

    Ahh the liberal nostalgia for the vietnam era. A return to fearing principled Americans — especially white ones. Like the militant racism and unprecedented rise in hate crimes from racist organizations like the Tea Party. Hide your kids, hide your wife — they’re the boogieman now, aren’t they Doctor?

  106. Obama escalated the war in Afghanistan and has continued most Bush-era polices regarding civil rights and domestic security, and in some cases, has made them more robust.

    So is he just a simpleton giving in to the fear machine like the rest of us?

    On another note….I just love Obama’s form of bipartisanship as he continues to circumvent Congress, and, in turn, the will of the people. This guy’s lust for power is truly insatiable.

  107. One of Obama’s mistakes was not a wholesale dismissal of Bush appointees – they have and still are giving him a lot of bad advice regarding Afganistan and a good many other things.

    So recess appointments are naughty? The repugs never do that? How did that jerk Bolton get appointed as an example? He was so horrid dubby never even tried to get him a real appointment. I would say Obama has been more than restrained given the massive obstructionism of the GOP. Judges have been crying for help. There have never been more positions unfilled because of just say NOism.

  108. 4 Beers ain’t done it Tex. No laughter. Not even a snicker or a gaffaw. Maybe a couple of absynthes and I’ll be ready for Bville’s Magical Mystery Tour.

  109. Wow, so much said, so little worth comment.

    Let’s just clarify something for all: there will never be another draft and even if there was, it would be the worst thing to happen.

    How long? Typically, drafted bodies were obligated for 2 yrs plus basic. Today’s average servicemen has about 9-12 months of basic schooling before they can even touch the gear, let alone serve in the field. Advanced rates can require 1-2 years of schooling.

    Secondly, a disgruntled body around advanced equipment or information results in things like Wikileaks or a $5 million dollar computer fried because said soldier didn’t give a shit.

    This isn’t the day when you could take the conscripted fodder, throw them on the line and hope for the best. Our military is extremely advanced and requires dedicated, focused bodies who WANT to serve. I’ve been around Western militaries with conscripted bodies; they ain’t worth shit.

    I’ll agree on this, we have to make a decision on what it is we want from and in Afghanistan. I don’t think we’ve gotten much direction from this administration on this, and yes, the Bush administration shares the blame in that.

    I found this particularly insulting:

    A universal draft is a great idea – including the girls. NO exceptions – . Even one legged retards serve. Those optional wars would end rapidly if the gated communities started getting thier boys and girls back in boxes. That would not be hippies in the street – but Yale boys.

    I actually have a couple Yale alums who volunteered to serve. I’d think they’d love to see some mental midget attempt to call them out. I can see the bitch nodding in approval to John Kerry insulting our forces…

    As for R’s Step 2: Formally declare war on Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and Saudi Arabia.

    To what end? Do you really think a state of war with the allies who are doing the most to help us fight al Qaida all that prudent? And you accuse us of adventurism…

    I’d invite folks to sit back this New Years and ponder what it is that is happening here at home. The bitch accuses us of curtailing civil liberties, but it is the left that constantly looks to restrict free speech, who actively undermines anyone’s freedom of expression or restrict our Constitutionally protected right to self defense. The left wants to steal from one group of people so that they can buy another class of people for no other purposes than power, to which then use that power to ensure that those bought, stay bought. Who said slavery was dead and gone…

  110. Why do we seem to allow Israelis privileges we don’t allow other nationals? Why do we not expect them to follow the same rules as the rest of humanity? Our government and theirs are filled with people of dual allegiances. Just like Netanyahu holds both US and Israeli citizenship, so do a number of others in our government. Yet if they vote or hold public office in Israel, it is supposed to negate their US citizenship. But it appears these are not rules that are followed in our land of double standards.

    While Washington claims it has a “good neighbor” policy with Mexico, the U.S. does not permit Mexicans to hold dual nationality. The US makes them become either U.S. or Mexican — you can’t be both. But the U.S., in its special relationship with Israel, has become very sympathetic to allowing Israeli-Americans to retain two nationalities and allowing U.S. citizens not only to hold public office in Israel, but to hold US government positions as well! No other country holds this special exception to our laws of citizenship.

    Another dual citizen is Heinz Alfred Kissinger who has a long history of complicity regarding human rights. Like a lot of our former government leaders, he can’t freely travel to all countries without the real fear of being arrested for war crimes. All these people are above the law in America. As a matter of fact we promote them to positions of authority.

    You can argue from now to eternity that the problems in this country are due to liberals or conservatives or progressives or religious factions or whatever. Do it until the proverbial cows come home. But until we hold our elected leaders and their appointed cronies to the same legal statutes governing every other common citizen of this land, we will never have justice or return to our original intended republic.

  111. even if the weather says otherwise!

    Tex do you have any idea how dopey you sound every time you say a blizzard disproves global warming? Now I will grant you the science seems to me a bit fuzzy but for every person citing a blizzard as proof of a scam, there is someone else who can explain to you why the blizzard was actually caused by global warming.

    At best, it’s a stalemate at this point.

  112. Tex do you have any idea how dopey you sound every time you say a blizzard disproves global warming?

    Really? Do you know how frickin’ bias, skewed, scientifically illiterate, and partisan you sound when you continue to support Global Warming, though they’ve now had to change the name after we found they falsified data four different times?

    You’re so pathetically biased in your politics, so inherently weak to admit you’re ever wrong, so full of contempt because of Edsel’s failures, your critical thinking skills have become as big a joke as the typical Yeller Dawg post.

    You, Yeller and Al Gore. ** GUFFAW **

    I love leftist idiocy called “theory” that can’t be falsified. What a bunch of contemptible bums. I’m here to tell you most of you yahoos are positively stupid. AND I MEAN ABJECTLY STUPID.

  113. Gorilla, with allies like Pakistan and Afghanistan, who needs enemies?

    Also please tell me if the following modern day version of triangular “trade” is a myth: We borrow money from China to pay Saudi Arabia for oil, and Saudi Arabia funnels some of that money to al Qaeda which then plots to kill Americans. I’ve heard that is the way the game is played. So Saudi Arabia is another strong ally? Wikileaks says they want us to bomb Iran. Sounds to me like they’re duplicitous. They want us to get rid of the nuisance in the neighborhood while they funnel money to our enemies behind our back.

    Seriously, do you trust any of these players?

  114. “…Saudi Arabia funnels some of that money to al Qaeda…”

    This is inaccurate.

    Al Qaeda is at war with Saudi Arabia as much as it is at war with us. It wished to topple the Saudi regime.

    Do you not listen?

    (And I’m not defending the Saudi’s, who do fund groups like Hamas.)

    “So recess appointments are naughty?”

    You think I was only talking about that?

    Think again.

    Not to mention, I love how Obama supporters now use Bush actions to defend Obama. You’d make Bill Clinton proud.

  115. What’s with this Yellowdog guy?

    He calls me a “regressive” for discussing the part of Rutherford’s blog entry that dealt with the Cold War because, uh, conservatives shouldn’t talk about the Cold War.

    Dude, weren’t you just whining to Rutherford because he won’t censor those who are off topic? Damn guy, I finally stay on topic and still get my balls busted.

    By the way, your rant about conservatives and communism really didn’t explain why you claimed I was making stuff up or, for that matter, add anything to the discussion.

    Weak.

    I know I’m a regressive…blah blah blah.

  116. Strange how two enemies (Saudi Arabia and Iran) have one thing in common: a need for continued conflict between Jews and Arabs.

  117. Is there a 4rth holiest city for Muslims?

    I read the other day that Wallingford, CT, is the 2,134th holiest site of the Religion of Pieces Islam.

    Does that mean Rutherford should bunk up with Abdul? If Abdul is gay, that’s a double bonus – Islam can cut two heads off in one bed.

    I don’t know how Rutherford is going to balance his love of homosexuality with love of Islam, because the two go together like Clorox and ammonia.

  118. Rutherford, have you noticed that to true (but ill-informed) believers every weather event is proof of global warming? Every damn one? Hot, cold, windy, calm, wet, dry — at every place at every time? In fact, no change in weather or temperature patterns is deemed proof.

    I have had some very inconspicuous involvment in the legal legal briefing attacking the delegation to the EPA of all regulatory control over carbon emissions based on this bogus science. From what I have seen, the reliance placed on scientific underpinnings of global warming even if global warming theory is correct. The extensive legal briefing is on file in the DC Circuit and a a matter of public record. You can get it online through a system known as Pacer as with all federal court filings. If you had the interest, I’m sure I could figure out how to get you to and still maintain my anonymity. It isn’t light reading, but you would learn a whole lot. Let me know if you care enough.

    Suffice it to say that the delegation of carbon emmission regulation to the EPA, which was intended to bypass the legislative process and would operate completely unchecked, has the potential to destroy — and I mean completely DESTROY — our economy. The compliance with EPA carbon emission restriction on businesses of every kind and at every level athe standards existing now (from HVAC systems on offices to cooking units in fastfood restaurants) is breathtaking. And all of it based on the flimsiest of scientific conclusions, if not patently unjustified, from any objective standpoint. This is frightening stuff.

    I assure you, you have got to want to believe in global warming to accept the so-called sceince as proof of its existence,cause and cure. In all seriousness, calling global warming an invalidated hypothesis is granting it too much dignity.

    Rutherford, from what I can tell, you want to believe in global warming. I am fascinated by what is motivating that desire. Really. There is a psychological component to global warming that I just don’t understand, even if it does exist. The economic motives to support the theory from most other countries is so obvious, it is sufficient to explain their positions. Here, I am at a complete loss. Saying, “well your need to deny global warming has a psychological component to it,” illuminates nothing.

  119. Huck, I am floored at how little attention the EPA regulation of carbon emissions is getting in the media. It is a HUGE deal. And the dialogue so far is at the Dr. Dog level.

  120. However even back then regressives were using them for thier own ends – which see Senator McCarthy and his ilk – including St Reagan by the way.

    Yeah, about that Senator McCarthy thing…
    I’d recommend “Blacklisted By History” to you, but I don’t know if you have someone to help you with the polysylabic words.

    Maybe you should just stick to being ignorant of history. After all, you’re the same genius who tried to tell me that we didn’t intern german and italian Americans during the Second World War.

  121. Huck, I am floored at how little attention the EPA regulation of carbon emissions is getting in the media. It is a HUGE deal. And the dialogue so far is at the Dr. Dog level.

    One in a multipronged advance by regulatory agencies.

    Nice Deb had a good piece on it earlier this week, and I linked it in my last post.


  122. IRANIAN NUKES-THE PHANTOM MENACE

    Facts rarely get in the way of American and Israeli fear-mongering and jingoism, especially when it comes to anti-Iran propaganda. For nearly thirty years now, U.S. and Zionist politicians and analysts, along with some of their European allies, have warned that Iranian nuclear weapons capability is just around the corner and that such a possibility would not only be catastrophic for Israel with its 400 nuclear warheads and state-of-the-art killing power supplied by U.S. taxpayers, but that it would also endanger regional dictatorships, Europe, and even the United States.

    ~ ~ ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ ~ ~

    It appears that nothing much has changed in the past seven years, let alone the previous three decades.

    Whereas the new year will surely bring more lies and deception about Iran and its nuclear energy program, more doublespeak and duplicity regarding the threat Iran poses to the United States, to Israel and to U.S.-backed Arab dictatorships, and more warmongering and demonization from Zionist think tanks, right-wing and progressive pundits alike, the 112th Congress and the Obama administration, the truth is not on their side.

    “Facts are stubborn things,” John Adams said in 1770. “And whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”

    Here’s hoping that, in 2011, the facts will begin to matter.

    Happy New Year.

  123. Huck touched on it, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (KSA) is as much at war with AQ as we are. Who do you think AQAP’s main target is? KSA has a lot of private donors to AQ, which is an issue that they are working on, but you don’t understand the complexities of the kingdom. Some things are so easy.

    As for the Jews and the Arabs,l the only thing keeping the Arab states from supporting Israel at this point is the fact that they’ve fed that red meat to their populations for decades to distract from domestic inadequacies. Its Pavlov’s dog now, mention Israel and hackles rise, except that now they would prefer Israel to Iranian hegemony. Sometimes the bed we make ain’t so nice…

  124. It is the bed we make and it isn’t nice. See who is under the sheets with us providing the mindscape. The Arabs are not getting the best PR because they don’t control the messege. I don’t doubt many can be violent, but I can also see the ever present provocation. Saudis have their own issues. Sharia law has its opponents as well as the ruling class structure does in any modernized nation. A lot of these people are sworn enemies and only live to destroy the other. This has been going on for all generations. This isn’t our battle. We are fighting it for others at our detriment.

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