Now I Really Understand Rich Lowry’s Hard-on

Back when then Governor Sarah Palin debated then Senator Joe Biden in a bid for the Vice-presidency of the United States, Rich Lowry of the National Review famously wrote:

Palin too projects through the screen like crazy. I’m sure I’m not the only male in America who, when Palin dropped her first wink, sat up a little straighter on the couch and said, “Hey, I think she just winked at me.” And her smile. By the end, when she clearly knew she was doing well, it was so sparkling it was almost mesmerizing. It sent little starbursts through the screen and ricocheting around the living rooms of America. This is a quality that can’t be learned; it’s either something you have or you don’t, and man, she’s got it.

via Projecting through the Screen – By Rich Lowry – The Corner – National Review Online.

Up until recently, I didn’t get the full thrust of Lowry’s sexual addiction. I assumed it was limited to Palin. But after reading an editorial in the Washington Post this week, I think I now really understand the cause of Rich’s hard-on.

Matt Miller, this week, wrote a most amusing analysis of our country’s preoccupation with “American exceptionalism”.  He writes:

Oooh, you’re so strong, baby, so handsome. You’re the greatest.

I’m talking about you, America. You’re . . . why, you’re exceptional!

Does anyone else think there’s something a little insecure about a country that requires its politicians to constantly declare how exceptional it is? A populace in need of this much reassurance may be the surest sign of looming national decline.

American exceptionalism is now the central theme of Sarah Palin’s speeches. The supposedly insufficient Democratic commitment to this idea will be a core Republican complaint in 2012. Conservatives assail Barack Obama for his alleged indifference to it. It’s part of their broader indictment of Obama’s fishy cosmopolitanism, his overseas “apology tours,” his didn’t-wear-the-flag-lapel-pin-until-he-had-to peevishness. Not to mention the whole anti-colonial Kenyan resentment thing the president’s got going.

Real men – real Americans – know America is the greatest country ever invented. And they shout it from the rooftops. Don’t they?

via Matt Miller – Ohhh, America, you’re so strong.

On Marco Rubio, Miller made the following observation:

Rubio described his Senate race as “a referendum on our identity,” adding that “this race forces us to answer a very simple question,” he said. “Do we want our country to continue to be exceptional, or are we prepared for it to become just like everyone else?”

And to think I thought the election was about who had better ideas for getting the economy moving again.

The key part of Rubio’s phrase is “continue to be exceptional”. You can’t continue to be what you are not presently. We are “just like everyone else” to the extent that we are in debt up to our eyeballs, and by many folk’s estimation on our way to becoming Greece. Again, Miller nails it when he says:

The conservative use of American exceptionalism as a political sword today is perversely revealing. There’s something off when the first generation of Americans that is less educated than its parents feels a deep need to be told how unique it is. Or that a generation that’s handing off epic debts and a chronically dysfunctional political process (among other woes) demands that its leaders keep toasting its fabulousness. Especially when other nations now offer more upward mobility, and a better blend of growth with equity, than we do – arguably the best measures of America’s once-exceptional national performance.

Wouldn’t it bolster Americans more to be told that we can meet the challenges of this moment? Wouldn’t we be better off striving to be exceptional at solving our common problems?

But no, of course not. Anyone who suggests America needs improvement is a traitor of the first order. And heaven forbid our President does this. Any modesty on his part amounts to an “apology tour”. Miller concludes:

Sarah Palin’s focus on this theme proves she is shrewder than her critics acknowledge. … If you don’t have real answers, soothing words are a start.

Oooh, you’re so strong, baby, so handsome. Palin knows the country she is courting.

George Washington was called “The Father of Our Country” and to some extent every President should serve this role. A father provides a strong example and encourages his “children” to excel with humility, to not accept “good enough”. Somehow over the past 10 years, America has forsaken the notion of a fatherly President. America now wants its President to be a fraternity brother or a best girlfriend. We want someone who would be fun to have a drink with. We want someone to give us an erection.

So you see, the star-bursts  Rich Lowry saw went beyond a personal physical reaction. It was symptomatic of a nation that wants a huge collective blow job from its leader. It is commonly accepted that Vice President Nelson Rockefeller died in coitus with an aide. The typical male reaction is “what a way to go, at least he died happy.” And so it is with America. We may be near death, but as long as Sarah keeps winking at us and stroking our national dick, at least we’ll die happy.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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129 thoughts on “Now I Really Understand Rich Lowry’s Hard-on

  1. After hitting it, I’d point out to the Limp One, that yes, America is an exceptional place.

    Why is the left so against the premise? Because you don’t like America as it is. Admit it, have the testicular fortitude to admit that you do not agree with the fundamental premise of the state. If you did, you wouldn’t be on this constant mission to make us into something else, a something else that has historically failed every time it has been tried.

    You begrudge us for being critical of the President and left because they’re not “pro-America” enough. You’re wrong, we begrudge him and the left because they’re not pro-American at all. From Michelle-my-bell claiming being proud of her country for the first time in her adult life- since her husband was running for President (imagine her pride if he hadn’t done well in the primaries…) to the Presidential Apology tour, which- if you didn’t notice- wasn’t popular here. Really, we need to apologize to the Middle East? Have you ever studied the history of the region? You need an example or two on arrogance?

    We might agree on the Presidential qualifications of Sarah Palin, but you cannot- ever- bemoan the lack of qualifications of Palin and still support this President. If the nation has learned anything over the last two years, it is this very point.

    It is tiring at this point…

  2. It does not take rednecks much to be happy. Beer, a hot chick, a warm out house, a pickup.
    They are in denial if they think the US is exceptional any more. By many measures it is not. Education rankings have crashed, health measures are bad, the economy is bad, we go around the world bullying others, torturing and dumping money we don’t have into the war machine. Nothing to be proud of there….

  3. America is still an exceptional place, primarily because I live here. Oklahoma is an exceptional place too, also because I live here and because we have college football team that is usually a contender for the national championship.

    I’m not kidding. That IS what “American Exceptionalism” is all about.

    There can be no argument that America USED to be an exceptional nation. Government “of the people, by the people, for the people” was invented here. (Or should I say RE-invented. The Greeks and Romans had something kinda sorta like democracy co-existent with slavery 2,000 or so years ago.)

    There are still some very exceptional things about us. When our unregulated cowboy bankers drive our wild-west economy into a ditch, it can pull the rest of the world into the ditch with us. We are the arms merchant to the world, and we spend more on our military than the rest of the world combined. Now THAT’S exceptional!

    But just like Oklahoma’s “exceptionalism” allows it to bring up the rear in most measurements of the health of society, American exceptionalism ain’t what it used to be. Although no one has quite copied our peculiar style of representative government (most modern nations have parliamentary systems), many have copied the (not entirely original) ideals of our founders and then surpassed us in the implementation of those ideals. Worse, we have allowed our own ideals to be eroded by expediency and fear. Some say we can no longer afford the Fourth, Fifth and Sixth, Seventh and Eighth Amendments in an age when a terrorist might be hiding under the bed. Some of the people who say that have been actual decision-makers who WE elected!

    Make no mistake – the appeal to American Exceptionalism by mostly “conservative” Republican ideologues has the same intellectual merit as Okie rah-rah about Oklahoma being an exceptional (in a good way) American state because of our religiosity, our dislike of the Spanish language and Sharia law, and our great football teams.

    My prayer for America is that God will make us exceptional again.

  4. An attitude of American Exceptionalism can also lead to a strange and anti-progressive attitude of “not invented here.” I was reminded of this fact during this past week when the Honorable Eric Cantor, soon-to-be House Majority leader, commented on the ideas coming out of the deficit commission. Cantor told the Wall Street Journal that “many lawmakers wouldn’t support a VAT-type tax because its ties to Europe might make it politically poisonous in Washington. “I don’t think any of us want us to go the direction of the social welfare states around the world,” Mr. Cantor said.

    I see. We can’t have universal access to decent health care because they have it in Europe. We can’t have a particular type of tax because they have it in Europe. If it wasn’t invented here, we just can’t have it! It’s un-American!

    (For the record, I oppose a VAT also, but for different reasons than Mr. Cantor. Our tax structure is already too regressive.)

    The other day I ate at a restaurant that still calls the potatoes that it serves with a Hamburger “Freedom Fries.” If the Germans don’t shape up and do like we tell them, we may have to rename that popular sandwich too.

    What could be more American than a Hamburger? 😀

  5. The problem with the VAT is that it is being spoken of in addition to federal income tax instead of as a replacement to the income tax.

    Explain your regressive comment.

  6. I haven’t been in the Valley for a week now and after this comment some here will say I wish I never returned.

    I won’t single out the other thread residents but some will surely get a taste of my disgust at the comments left.

    Rutherford you’ve not failed to reveal yet again your insane emotions re Sarah Palin. You need help dude!

    In opening with Lowry who I don’t care for anymore than I like Palin herself you show your hand. You biased little nut-megger you hate Palin so much you pick anothers observations of debate skills and presence as a bad thing. Are you f#$%ing kidding me?!?!

    I’m unaware if some of the italics stuff is you or from the cut & paste. As for America being insecure needing prodding of our exceptionalism. FDR and his Fireside Chats would seem to be the best counter to your partisan panty twist wedgie ya got going there R. In a nation that as a rule has and hopefully still can respond to populism and patriotism we Americans can do far worse than respond,long for what have you a good pep talk.
    I think this is what infuriates me so about this post. It seemingly declares your position that such things are wrong,yet Obama himself has been noted to deliver oratory for the same purpose. In your criticisms you seem blind to his cheerleading moments and only see those incidents when his comments,which were meant as observations for non US consumption,have been railed against by conservatives. Again….are you f#$%ing kidding me?!?!
    When people talk about Obama and compare him to previous POTUS’s they seem to be saying to me:
    Reagan=cheerleader
    Carter=weak internationalist ant-America
    Roosevelt=Keynesian,facing economic calamity
    Wilson=international bridge and equalizer.
    Do you agree? disagree?
    Help me out for your post has left me with nothing other than a cementing that you hate Palin.

  7. Rutherford, you do seem to be showing some kind of a fetish recently for right-wing women – first with Herfifteenminutesareup from Delaware, and now (again?) with Palin.

    I don’t agree that Americans (male or female) admire Palin because they find her attractive physically or sexually. Many women feel threatened by attractive women, yet many of Palin’s biggest fans are mirror-shattering right-wing women.

    My revulsion towards Palin is about her ignorance and anti-intellectualism that she wears as a badge of honor. It’s about her “real American” attitude towards those who agree with her (and whatever that makes the likes of me). It’s about the double standard that she applies to the use of her kids in furthering her political agenda. (Poor Bristol – the Palinites keeping her on DWTS long, long after her continued presence there became an embarrassment.) What kind of a person does this to her own kids?

    But my negative reaction to Palin has much less to do with the woman herself, and much more to do with my continuing astonishment over her popularity. (Godwin’s Law alert!) Even Hitler would have been just another silly face in the Tea Party crowd if he had received the level of public attention that he deserved. (None at all.) It is beyond shocking that there is a large slice of the American electorate (and at least one United States Senator) who sincerely, honestly believes that this woman would make a capable president! How is that even possible?

  8. Were you surprised? Really, the left NOT using A) the race card, or B) the Hitler card is the exception. No liberal argument is complete without one or both…

  9. Alfie’s point obtains. Obama’s cheerleading and oration skills was offered as some kind of awakening of something that laid dormant. Now equally shallow displays of patriotism and American pride disgust?

    It seems to me that the left’s tireless use of manufactured shame, claims of inequality and injustice has run its course. As unempowering as that is for the left that thrives on these perceptions, the rejection of these defeatest attitudes is a good thing.

    Disparaging America, our priorities and ideals, does not equal enlightenment. For those that believe that it does, they’re in for a few hard years. The pendulum has reversed course.

    Thank God.

  10. Off-topic (not that it’s usually a problem around here), but would anyone care to explain the inexplicable Republican resistance to ratifying the START treaty with Russia?

    Is there more to it than the usual ODS?

  11. But my negative reaction to Palin has much less to do with the woman herself, and much more to do with my continuing astonishment over her popularity. (Godwin’s Law alert!) Even Hitler would have been just another silly face in the Tea Party crowd if he had received the level of public attention that he deserved. (None at all.) It is beyond shocking that there is a large slice of the American electorate (and at least one United States Senator) who sincerely, honestly believes that this woman would make a capable president! How is that even possible.

    Defined, as requested…

  12. There’s something off when the first generation of Americans that is less educated than its parents feels a deep need to be told how unique it is.

    How are we measuring “less educated’?
    There are without a doubt more colleges and universities in existence and serving more people that they ever have before in this country.

    Or that a generation that’s handing off epic debts and a chronically dysfunctional political process (among other woes) demands that its leaders keep toasting its fabulousness.
    Really? It seems to me the Hippies behaving badly in Congress who are not controlling their spending are the same ones who join the chorus behind Teh Won proclaiming the death of exceptionalism and apologizing to the rest of the world for it.

    Especially when other enations now offer more upward mobility, and a better blend of growth with equity, than we do – arguably the best measures of America’s once-exceptional national performance.

    You mean the ones that had the luxury of building a welfare state while we shouldered the burden of their security? Or Europe, where these welfare states have been collapsing, and now have to conduct their affairs the way we used to, while the Congressional Dims and Teh Won keep pushing us toward the policies that destroyed their economies?

    Rutherford, this stuff is rotting your brain.

  13. Graychin,

    Out of curiosity, would you define liberal bastions of NY and CA as exceptional? They’re overwhelmingly Democrat and bankrupt. From history to resource, they’ve had every advantage, yet find themselves in dire straights. Why is that?

    Bad mouth Oklahoma all you like, but it the Democratic part of Oklahoma that drives her down in survey after survey.

    Doubt me? I assume you lived in South Tulsa. You and I both know the quality of life would be considered better than most. And south Tulsa is overwhelmingly both Conservative and Republican. We’re not all evil robber barons as most of us working stiffs, or in my case former working stiff now slacker.

    Ironic how we can come to the same conclusions about corporations and investment, but draw diametrically opposed conclusions of right and wrong, moral and immoral.

    The logic to your conclusions escape me.

    Here’s a bet. VAT would have little effect on your personally.

    What if we were to simply tax on net worth? Say the government could come take 50% of your assets above the national average as payment for the poor and disenfranchised. Could you really tell me you would be so kind then to an idea of a progressive tax then?

    Again, I find your arguments both specious and intellectually dishonest.

  14. …the Democratic part of Oklahoma that drives her down in survey after survey.

    Which part of Oklahoma is Democratic? All 77 counties voted for Obama, as you are so fond of pointing out. 😀

  15. Which part of Oklahoma is Democratic? All 77 counties voted for Obama, as you are so fond of pointing out.

    All that did was demonstrate how truly horrid Obama was and still is. Oklahoma’s still got a lot of hardcore Dims that won’t for a black man. You know any of those Graychin? 😈

    It’s that part of Little Dixie that I’m guessing you were raised and still live. The same illiterates that live in abject poverty, assisted by government and Indian casinos, worship at the altar of FDR and Carl Albert, and used to vote for Mike Synar before he became so unbearable that they voted for Republican by the name of Tom Coburn – much to you and momma’s chagrin.

  16. A VAT would have the same effect on me as it would on you, or on anyone else.

    A VAT would give all the boomers who saved (after income tax) for their retirement an opportunity to pay taxes on that money a second time as they spend it down. In addition to state and local sales taxes, of course.

  17. A VAT would have the same effect on me as it would on you, or on anyone else.

    That only holds true assuming you haven’ t already purchased all of your essentials. Now you being the good liberal know that a VAT unfairly burdens the poor amongst us.

    I assume you with one foot in the grave 🙂 and lacking little besides perishables will have no problem like John Kerry and Warren Buffett 😉 when I propose is for our government to assess net worth, including savings, and assign a “wealth tax” on guys like you, where you would be subject to a tax of 39.6% on your net worth.

    When I propose for Congress to push for this, I’ll assume that you will have no problem with it, and in fact will welcome the end of trickle down economics?

  18. Assume the duck is goverment and we get the towel, out of the graciousness of the government of course. That’s what the VAT is to us…

  19. I don’t agree that Americans (male or female) admire Palin because they find her attractive physically or sexually.

    Gray, I think you’re only getting half of the equation. The sexual attraction is a metaphor for something bigger.

    The point of Miller’s article is that America likes being stroked. We are the pampered juvenile delinquent that mommy and daddy bail out of jail all the time … we can do no wrong. Instead of choosing leaders who will call us to task (“ask not what your country can do for you…”) we want leaders who tell us how exceptional we already are.

    I think you took the “dick stroking” a bit too literally.

  20. Disparaging America …

    Who said anything about the need to disparage America? How about some simple honesty? Why is it always a zero-sum game with conservatives? If we don’t declare “America is the greatest country on the face of the Earth” then we are disparaging it? Makes no sense.

    A section of the Matt Miller article that I left out of this piece talks about other countries around the world. How many of our peers (mostly the Western European countries) beat their chests about being the greatest nation on the planet? Why do we as Americans need all that validation.

    If America were a person, you’d say she was incredibly insecure. She’d have no friends ‘cos she was always bragging about herself. She’d be despised because she made a constant case of being inherently better than anyone else. You’d call her an obnoxious bitch.

    Yet you’re perfectly happy to have America, the nation behave that way. I don’t get it.

  21. Gorilla, the IBD article did cover one thing about which I was conjecturing earlier today with my wife. Considering what a piss-poor job we do of maintaining our roads and bridges in this country, I was wondering if our nuclear arsenal might be in similar disarray and might not be reliable if we ever needed to use it. The part of the article about tritium decay may have answered my question.

    Tell me G, do you think we may be sitting on top of an arsenal of duds?

  22. On “Meet the Press” today, Hillary Clinton stated that she did not believe politics was behind the ass-dragging on START. She thinks some folks have legit concerns that should be discussed. So much for painting the entire Obama admin as politically motivated.

    Personally, I have no problem with proper thorough examination of the new START so long as it really isn’t just another example of the “make Obama fail” strategy.

  23. Clarification for Alfie, etal. everything indented and in italics in the main article is from Matt Miller except of course the first quote from Rich Lowry. I linked to the original Miller piece on the first Miller quote and didn’t think I needed to do it over and over again.

    Anyway, sorry if there was any confusion.

  24. Assume the duck is goverment and we get the towel, out of the graciousness of the government of course. That’s what the VAT is to us…

    Ahhhh sorry, I commented before reading your analysis. 😯

  25. Rutherford – you should know by now that you are only allowed to disparage America when the fault with America that is being discussed is simultaneously being blamed on one or more Democrats. The more, the better.

    At any other time, disparaging America or the policies of its duly elected leaders displays a shocking lack of patriotism. A “real American” would never talk about his country badly in any other context.

    You obviously haven’t been paying attention. But it’s understandable – one’s attention does seem to wander when one is being stroked…… 😀

  26. Alfie, in response to your comment #7, Palin is only the easiest target in a larger problem.

    There is a difference between saying “we have faced much harder challenges in the past and we can get through this one” as Obama has said several times … and saying “we must throw out Obamacare because it interferes with the greatest health care system in the world”. The latter comment (American exceptionalism at its finest) is just plain wrong. The stats prove it.

    Look again at the Rubio quote. Why is our yardstick “not being like everyone else”? Why aren’t we striving for our personal best? Why must we one-up England or Canada or France? Why must we be great and they suck? There is a difference between a fireside chat and an outsized ego stroke at others expense.

    It’s funny … this reminds me of an article I was reading earlier in the week on the topic of psychoanalysis. The psychoanalyst was differentiating between healthy competition … healthy winning and destructive winning. The healthy winner delights in his victory. The destructive winner delights in his opponent’s defeat. There is a difference.

    Of course, the other angle to this that I didn’t even touch in the piece is this belief by many that we are God’s chosen country … blessed by God in all we do. I don’t need to tell you how that sends me over the edge.

    We are losing our super-power status and is that such a bad thing? Wouldn’t it be better if all the nations of the world could work together as equals, learn from each other, and make a better collective world for everyone? (Yes more John Lennon … but it’s my utopia.)

  27. You obviously haven’t been paying attention. But it’s understandable – one’s attention does seem to wander when one is being stroked…… 😀

    Yes, exactly … THAT is the metaphor at work here!

  28. Why do we as Americans need all that validation.

    and

    Why is our yardstick “not being like everyone else”? Why aren’t we striving for our personal best? Why must we one-up England or Canada or France? Why must we be great and they suck? There is a difference between a fireside chat and an outsized ego stroke at others expense.

    and

    Wouldn’t it be better if all the nations of the world could work together as equals, learn from each other, and make a better collective world for everyone? (Yes more John Lennon … but it’s my utopia.)

    OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    This is why we can talk all we want but never communicate.

    #1 Validation? I say assertiveness. If we are to expect the folks that need to make the sacrifices to do so and to do so well a little jingoism and self affirmation goes a long way. I suppose we could be like our cousins across the Pond and basically outlaw the flying of our flag but then again….
    #2 Tell your daughter when she heads off to school every morning…”Now honey,be like EVERYONE else.” That is one of the classic fecal piles of American liberal dogma that is destroying America.
    It also must be said that if America hopes to be better we need the best. I don’t know how anyone can defy the logic of that concept. If we expect people to want to come here or stay here we better have something on offer and it can’t be “Well you know we’re kinda cool”
    #3 Man you still watch Star Trek reruns too don’t ya? What would be better is if all nations worked harder to be the best. Also if you give half a shit about your kids future you better get your fucking Yankee Doodle on since the camp fire song group hug moment you so desperately want isn’t gonna happen whilst the growing Muslim economies and need I remind ye the CHINESE are doing what they’re doing.
    Lump that in with the reality that the French,Germans and Brits are engaging in austerity measures that would make the Keynesian wet dream Obama lovers have a fucking stroke.
    Dude ya got nothing imo

  29. “If America were a person, you’d say she was incredibly insecure. She’d have no friends ‘cos she was always bragging about herself. She’d be despised because she made a constant case of being inherently better than anyone else. You’d call her an obnoxious bitch.”

    R, your response to this is downright lame.

    As an initial matter, I am noticing an inordinate use of “sensitive tenage girl” metaphors from you about the America psyche. Quite telling Rutherford. That’s how I view the whiny liberal — all the sensibilites of a sellf-absorbed, egocentric, hormonal teenage girl.

    Then comes the “all or nothing summation.” Why must it be all “one way” you ask. “America is insecure in having some need to feel superior and reflexive displays of patriotism.”

    Give me a break. I’m talking about the self-deprecating pitty party the left loves like the suicidal pussy that has to bring everyone down in hopes of gaining the desperately craved recognition and validation. Your defeatest vision America’s is the teenage girl nobody wants Knucklehead. I love how the left consoiders patriotism a bad thing.

    As I said, disparaging America, our priorities and ideals, does not equal enlightenment. While you insist that it does (in so many words), the reality is that the left uses various notions shame and victim status as a tool — more like the underappreciated, ugly, teenage feminista than the self-assured girl that the guys (GUYS, not the insecure “arbiters of fairness”) want to hang with.

    So, “How many of our peers (mostly the Western European countries) beat their chests about being the greatest nation on the planet? Why do we as Americans need all that validation.”

    Grow a pair Rutherford. The chicks will dig it. The guy trying to be the best friend who pretends to “understand” them never gets laid.

    (sorry, it was your metaphor)

  30. Oh Christ. I overlooked this one: “We are losing our super-power status and is that such a bad thing? Wouldn’t it be better if all the nations of the world could work together as equals, learn from each other, and make a better collective world for everyone? (Yes more John Lennon … but it’s my utopia.)”

    In the words of BiW, you and your skittle shitting unicorns. Can’t we all just be friends???

    The sentiment you just expressed is why the left took a shellacking. You might not get a prom date, but you’ll have the pleasure of doing the bully’s homework.

    Keep striving for mediocrity — chances are you’ll achieve even less.

  31. The guy trying to be the best friend who pretends to “understand” them never gets laid.

    LOL Well that’s one thing you’ve said that I can whole heartedly agree with from personal experience. It’s why I didn’t get married until age 39. 😆

    Damn, Tigre … where were you when I was a horny teenager and could have used your advice? I was too busy listening to Donahue. 😀

  32. As I said, disparaging America, our priorities and ideals, does not equal enlightenment.

    We are really talking past each other here (as Alfie suggested). I love America’s priorities and ideals. Part of being honest about America is owning up to when we don’t meet those ideals.

    I’m also beginning to think one of the barriers to gaining any understanding in this discussion is that you guys actually WANTED to date the mean girl back in high school (or perhaps did date her). I’m beginning to think Sarah reminds you of girls you wanted to f*ck back in the day. Now just to set the benchmark for you, back in high school I wanted to f*ck girls who looked like Sarah but acted like Claire McCaskill. 😉

  33. OMFG! The same dude who just gave me a lecture about mediocrity posts a video of disabled and obese women perpetuating the side-show-freak stereotype when they could be getting real jobs, doing dignified work, and inspiring other disabled to aspire to more than they could have back in the 1800’s.

    Tigre, you’re too much dude.

  34. Tiger, it seems to me that you have a very superficial understanding of mediocrity and excellence. Why even care about “excellence” under rules that someone else has defined for you? Competition for its own sake can be fun, but in the end it’s just an exercise in futility.

    Is “excellence” really about just being different than Europe? Is it about being more fearsome than the schoolyard bully because you can afford more guns? If you think so, then that’s the surest possible path to mediocrity.

    Thoreau nailed it long ago – it’s better to march to your own drummer’s beat than someone else’s.

  35. Tiger – sadly, you’re probably right about being more likely to get laid if you “grow a pair” and pretend to be the macho man (instead of “pretending” to be sensitive and understanding. For some reason, a lot of women are attracted to thoughtless and even abusive jerks. But is it your game to get laid, or to find a loving long-term relationship? Which brings more happiness?

    I think that all the time that Rutherford spent watching Donahue was a better long-term investment than whatever you and your “pair” were doing.

    As for “pretending” to be understanding with women – did it ever occur to you that any woman worth your time might put some value on authenticity?

  36. If we are to expect the folks that need to make the sacrifices to do so and to do so well a little jingoism and self affirmation goes a long way.

    Sacrifices Alfie? To use your own terminology, are you f*cking kidding me? Besides the small percentage of brave men and women who fight (and their families) who in this country is making any sacrifice for anything? We are a bunch of pampered selfish bastards. This morning Mike Barnacle (from your neck of the woods) made the very astute observation that a bit of groping at the airport is the number one news story when there is 10% unemployment and two wars (one, unwinnable) going on.

    Please don’t talk to me about how claims of American exceptionalism encourages sacrifice. It’s a joke.

  37. Back in the day? Hell, I’d hit that now.

    As for speaking past each other, I’m trying to understand who our hypothetical prom date is. I fear it is Europe or the Middle East. God forbid they think ill of us. They might start spreading rumors!

    “Part of being honest about America is owning up to when we don’t meet those ideals.”

    The other part? Go on. Call it out. . .

    Taking PRIDE in what makes this country great. It’s okay R. You can say it. The only other libs around here are G-chin and Yellowdog, and they won’t remember it after all of that drug use.

    Good, bad, mean or soft — girls never intimidated me R. I wanted to do them all because they were all different.

    I’m beginning to think that the libs fear of Palin all relates to whatever mommy issues caused them to be libs in the first place.

    49 is definately going to haunt you!

  38. “OMFG! The same dude who just gave me a lecture about mediocrity posts a video of disabled and obese women perpetuating the side-show-freak stereotype when they could be getting real jobs, doing dignified work, and inspiring other disabled to aspire to more than they could have back in the 1800′s.”

    I knew you’d love it! You can’t find that shit in Riyadh.

  39. “Please don’t talk to me about how claims of American exceptionalism encourages sacrifice. It’s a joke.”

    In all sincerity, that’s the “wrongest” thing I’ve ever read — on every level.

  40. American Exceptionalism, as trumpeted by the right wing, DIScourages sacrifice.

    The story goes that we are better than everyone else, and always will be because we had George Washington and the other Founding Fathers. Our God is always on our side, and he’s better than the other guys’ God. We don’t have to work or sacrifice to remain exceptional, because Exceptional is in our very DNA. It’s something that we won’t ever lose because losing it is impossible.

    But back in reality, the ONLY realm in which we remain truly exceptional among nations is in military might – because we spend more on our military than the rest of the world combined. But not even that might can bend unruly populations in faraway lands to our will.

    Take the Global War on Terror. Sold to us as an existential threat, we weren’t even asked to pay for it. That might have made it unpopular. On the contrary, we got tax cuts.

    Nor were we asked to share the dirty and dangerous work of the military service the GWOT required. Making the few pre-existing volunteers do repeated tours of duty while supplementing their numbers with obscenely highly paid contractors was considered more acceptable than resuming a draft – and letting ALL American families share the sacrifice.

    Sacrifice? Americans? You can’t be serious. We’re exceptional. We’re entitled. Just get the government off my back and leave me the hell alone. And don’t cut my Medicare.

  41. Gray, #59 is the reason why you get a lifetime membership on the RL blog. I could not have said it better myself. In particular, can you imagine the hell that would’ve broken loose if Bush had said we need to raise taxes to pay for the Iraq war? Pepto Bismol sales would have gone through the roof! 👿

  42. So much of right-wing rhetoric is about gain without pain. We can balance the budget just by cutting out waste and fraud. Tax cuts more than pay for themselves. We don’t even have to sacrifice anything to fight a grave threat to our very existence – instead you get a tax cut and a directive to go shopping.

    It’s a good thing that the generation that fought World War II was a bit more realistic than we are. At the end of the war we had a top income tax bracket of over 90%, we had run our national debt up to over 120 % of GDP (it’s about 60% today), and yet people united behind a common purpose without teabags dangling from their hats.

    Sacrifice? Americans? Don’t even think about it.

  43. “…when there is 10% unemployment and two wars (one, unwinnable) going on.”

    Those things have been screamed about for 2 years. Why the sudden concern, now?

    ” I’m trying to understand who our hypothetical prom date is”

    His prom date was a whore.

    He paid to much and, and, in the end, got screwed. Just like America is getting now.

    I just love how narrow minded you idiots are.

    George Bush is a dumbass because we were in 2 wars and all he did was lower taxes and tell people to go shopping….

    Well idiots. Maybe you didn’t notice, we are still in 2 wars. And your fucking messiah is telling us what?…that we need to give everyone money so they can go out and go spend it.

    It’s really no different than what Bush said. And you are currently seeing why Bush said it…so that the economy wouldn’t stagnate like it is.

    Pull your heads out of your Bush-hating asses and you would see that as plain as day…..

  44. R, you’re impressed with G-chin’s summation? “We don’t have to work or sacrifice to remain exceptional . . .So much of right-wing rhetoric is about gain without pain. . . blah, blah, blah.” That’s what’s being said? Really?

    “The right-wing platform is gain without pain. . .” gimme a break. Just keep robbing your children’s’ futures and pretending the right is the one promising the trips to Disneyland. The sacrifices the left proposes are just breathtaking.

    The rest of us will bow our heads in shame. But only the type that motivates sacrifice. Obama, Pelosi and Reid to guide us through all of it.

    G-chin, enjoy the privileges of membership. Apparently stupidity is the only currency accepted for the initiation fee.

  45. Rambo Vainchin and Nancy Pelosi share a common viewpoint.

    Their idea of best investment is that unemployment checks are the fastest most “effective” way to create jobs. Really – Dawg announced that too. 🙂

    Rambo Vainchin, you are right about the shared sacrifice. No doubt we’ve come to expect too much from a volunteer army. Of course, if you’re going to use WWII as example, please note that under the Truman after the 1946 elections, Truman watched unemployment increase 220% in two years, and the nation was faced with widespread strikes and shortages. Like Obama and you Dims are attempting to do now, Truman effectively campaigned against “the do nothing Republicans”, only two years later for America to learn they’d been lied to, returning power back to Republicans. History repeating itself.

    So if we are going to use WWII as analogy, I’ll assume that you have no problem with us carpet bombing Afghanistan attempting to kill as many Afghans as possible, nuking Iran, and not to worry about the million either killed or severely wounded during battle?

  46. Did you guys know that in the fall of 1850 California…

    Became a state.
    The people had no electricity.
    The state had no money.
    Almost everyone spoke Spanish.
    There were gunfights in the streets.

    So basically nothing has changed except then the women had real tits and the men didn’t hold hands back then….

  47. Huck @ 63:

    If you’re responding to anyone, it sure isn’t me. I never thought Obama was the “messiah.” Whose tune are you guys singing with that “messiah” shit? I know that you didn’t come up with it yourselves. So who is leading your choir?

    I’m just as unhappy now as I was with Bush that we are trying to fight two wars without paying for them. Maybe you noticed, but Obama would like to raise taxes just a bit to help with the deficit, but not one Republican is on board. Not one.

    Again – no response to our points . Only “Oh yeah? Well… Obama is worse!”

    Pathetic.

  48. Sorry. Self loathing rather than American exceptionalism encourages sacrifice. Excellent point. Well-supported too.

    Truly pathetic.

  49. Whose tune are you guys singing with that “messiah” shit?
    His, and if you weren’t such a dolt, you might realize it.

    I know that you didn’t come up with it yourselves. So who is leading your choir?

    Bullshiznit. It comes from the lips of the self-exaulted one himself:

    The journey will be difficult. The road will be long. I face this challenge with profound humility, and knowledge of my own limitations. But I also face it with limitless faith in the capacity of the American people. Because if we are willing to work for it, and fight for it, and believe in it, then I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on earth. This was the moment—this was the time—when we came together to remake this great nation so that it may always reflect our very best selves and our highest ideals.

  50. As for Chin and R’s nodding approval of the Left’s ongoing cultural self-flagellation, as you wallow in the self-denial of American Exceptionalism, ask yourself why people still risk death to come here and make a life. Ask youself why the leaders of the various foreign utopias will come here for surgeries and medical proceedures. Ask yourself why we have so many foreign students studying in our universities. And then tell yourself that all nations and all cultures are equal. Marvel in the hollowness of the assurance of such a statment. Bask in the odor of the falsehood, and belly up for another drink of whatever the lefty intellectual elite is serving this week.

    Really. If you’re so convinced that the welfare states got it goin’ on, please: leave us and join them.

  51. You won’t hear either say this, but Rutherford and especially Graychin Van Rambo know how sweet they’ve got it. Graychin alone proves of America’s excellence.

    If somebody of Gray the Vain, hero of countless military excursions behind enemy lines (cough cough) with a bronze star pinned to each nipple, can live in relative luxury with his limited capability, where else on earth could you possibly find a place that awards such mediocrity with wealth?

    Hell, this man finds the post office as a model of excellence and lives large. Completely mad, but living on the lake within the compound of the Aryan fortress, making accusation all but him are racist.

    Graychin Van Rambo, do you honestly believe it was your own personal exceptionalism that bought you that lake home?

    ** GUFFAW **

  52. Which brings me to my next point. By process of elimination I could either find out Greychin’s identity or find out he is a liar. I chose to do neither.

    I think posters here should adhere to a treaty that outing our true identities, if ever possible, is off limits.

  53. ‘Graychin alone proves America’s excellence.’

    How about our Ivy-League-educated host from a modest background? “[Your parents didn’t] work or sacrifice to [provide] exceptional [opportunities]?”

    Honestly. What’s the matter with you self-loathing sad sacks? You look to marginal tax brackets as a sign of sacrifice? WTF??

    Americans have an amazing capacity to sacrifice for the greater good, including laying down their lives. Is it possible that your perceptions result from the fact that neither of you have personally sacrificed? You’ve certainly had the benefit of those that have.

    The more you argue against American exceptionalism, the more I am convinced that its detractors are the ones that are the most incapable of exhibiting it.

  54. this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal

    BiW hasn’t that shtick gotten a bit old? It is obvious to anyone with a high school diploma that this was a reference to climate change, global warming or whatever else you want to call it. Obama was appealing to folks who believe in science. I know that’s a no-no nowadays but among those who wanted a break from the expert in “strategery”, George Bush, it was a breath of fresh air.

    I’ll save you the trouble of your next retort:

    “57 states”
    “corpsemen”

    I told my wife yesterday, I could write the comments section of this blog myself at this point cos I know all the arguments. 🙂

  55. I told my wife yesterday, I could write the comments section of this blog myself at this point cos I know all the arguments…

    …that I conveniently ignore.

    How about these beauties “R”? You need some new Bongo argumentative material to chew on?

    I find comfort in the fact that the longer I’m in politics the less nourishing popularity becomes, that a striving for power and rank and fame seems to betray a poverty of ambition, and that I am answerable mainly to the steady gaze of my own conscience. Obama the Almighty…

    Obama’s speech to the IOC was about—you guessed it: “Nearly one year ago, on a clear November night,” he told the committee, “people from every corner of the world gathered in the city of Chicago or in front of their televisions to watch the results of .  .  . ” ~ Obama Hail Caesar

    Confronted with worries that 2010 could be a worse off-year election than 1994, Obama explained to the professional politicians, “Well, the big difference here and in ’94 was you’ve got me.” ~ Obama the Savior

    When Obama journeyed to Great Britain to meet with the queen he gave her an amazing gift: an iPod loaded with recordings of his speeches and pictures from his inauguration. ~ Obama the Humble

    Obama said that he liked being surrounded by people who expressed strong opinions, but he also said, “I think that I’m a better speechwriter than my speechwriters. I know more about policies on any particular issue than my policy directors. And I’ll tell you right now that I’m gonna think I’m a better political director than my political director.” After Obama’s first debate with McCain, on September 26th, [campaign political director Patrick] Gaspard sent him an e-mail. “You are more clutch than Michael Jordan,” he wrote. Obama replied, “Just give me the ball.” ~ Obama the Magnificent

  56. ask yourself why people still risk death to come here and make a life.

    One very simple way to summarize human behavior is that we seek pleasure and avoid pain. Ask yourself why a man jumps from a burning skyscraper facing almost certain death? Avoidance of pain. If you take a moment to stop smoking your American flag, you will realize that no one from France, England, Spain, Portugal or Italy is coming to America right now to make a better life. Folks from Mexico, Cuba, etc. come here. Folks fleeing abject poverty. And the best way to stop the illegal immigration by the way, is for our economy to hit so rock bottom that even these folks can’t get jobs.

    You accuse us of making Obama our Messiah. I counter-accuse you of making America your Messiah. No institution deserves unquestioning devotion. Not a single one. When we abandon critical analysis, we can be led astray. It happened in WWII Germany. It can happen here. This is precisely why Obama does NOT have robust support among liberals anymore. Gitmo is still open with no end in sight. Gays cannot serve openly. Rendition is still the order of the day. To too great an extent, it’s “meet the new boss, same as the old boss”.

    Gray is right, you’ve all dodged your hypocrisy. Please tell us what great sacrifice the American people make for their country right now other than the few who volunteer to risk their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan? You can’t do it. And that’s a comment about America, not about George Bush.

  57. Obama was appealing to folks who believe in science.

    Ahh, yes.

    The parameters of scientific certainty. Solid. Immutable. Unchanging. Until more data is introduced, or there is a paradigm shift. Then all bets are off.

    But if you cannot look at the contradictions, and the chaos, and see something greater, then I feel sad for you, R.

    I know I’ve recommended it before, but you really should pick up a copy of “The Structure of Scientific Revolutions” by Thomas Kuhn, and get some learning on, R.

  58. I have ZERO sympathy for Ms. Hart who complained on Hardball soon after her exchange with Obama that she could no longer buy a new car. F*ck that! She thought that was hard living? Now she gets to really share my pain. Hate to come off bitter but I was never impressed with Ms. Hart and I said so at the time.

  59. Hate to come off bitter but I was never impressed with Ms. Hart

    Well, of course. Truth has always been you and Obama’s nemesis.

    Looks to me like some of Obama’s goons got hold of Ms. Hart’s boss. Don’t kid yourself – these jackboots of yours were looking for blood after she dissed the false messiah.

  60. How about our Ivy-League-educated host from a modest background?

    I think this insults folks truly from a modest background. Don’t get me wrong. I didn’t grow up rich but I didn’t grow up wanting for anything either.

    Do everyday people sacrifice in untold ways every day? Sure they do. Are there lots of unrecognized heroes out there? Absolutely. This does not mean that our country, which was once urged to buy “war bonds” is the same country today. When we talk about exceptionalism we are not talking about the untold examples of heroism that occur everyday, We are talking about a national attitude that is unbecoming.

    When my Dad worked two jobs and my parents went into debt up to their eyeballs to put me through Harvard, they didn’t walk around pumping their chest about it. The American Exceptionalism problem is not one of what America does but what America SAYS about what it does.

    And news flash: every country has untold stories of everyday heroes working hard and sacrificing so another can succeed. It’s not a uniquely American virtue.

  61. Looks to me like some of Obama’s goons got hold of Ms. Hart’s boss.

    LOL …. no, dumbass did herself in. The last thing you do when you feel vulnerable in a job is go on national TV and say you feel vulnerable in your job. That’s job survival 101. The minute she fat-lipped to Obama she put herself to the top of the layoff list.

    But I’ll tell you something. I didn’t dislike her for confronting Obama. In fact, i was more or less with her until I found out how home-girl measured suffering. That’s when the pampered so-and-so lost me. 👿

  62. If you take a moment to stop smoking your American flag, you will realize that no one from France, England, Spain, Portugal or Italy is coming to America right now to make a better life.

    Bullshit. I’ve encountered more former British subjects here in the Pac NW then I ever would have thought. And every single one is here to escape the tax everything mentality that exists there.

    And the best way to stop the illegal immigration by the way, is for our economy to hit so rock bottom that even these folks can’t get jobs.

    So Obamanomics is the answer to illegal immigration? Really? Gee, maybe the reason we fail to see his brilliance is because it exists only in his mind.

    You accuse us of making Obama our Messiah. I counter-accuse you of making America your Messiah. No institution deserves unquestioning devotion.

    R, there is a galactic difference between deciding amongst ourselves that we didn’t do something right and that it needed to be changed (like the changes in race relations in the 1960s) and going around the world apologizing to nations whom we owe no apology and talking about our faults as if they are something to be addressed with other nations. They aren’t, and there is no way around that. I don’t think anyone here gives our nation “unquestioning devotion”. Hell, most of us don’t give anyone that. If I was about “Unquestioning devotion”, I wouldn’t be rooting for a riot at an airport with the Transacting Sexual Assaults officers for feeling up little children, the disabled, and other law-abiding citizens. But it seems to me that being subjected to such intrusive measures when it won’t make a single person any safer and characterizing it as “A tempest in a teapot” shows a painful lack of critical analysis of the type that empowers and brings tyrants to power.

    Gray is right, you’ve all dodged your hypocrisy. Please tell us what great sacrifice the American people make for their country right now other than the few who volunteer to risk their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan? You can’t do it. And that’s a comment about America, not about George Bush.

    How do you figure that sacrifice is the only measure of exceptionalism? How about an economy that motivates innovation? The Chinese didn’t create the microcomputer. Getting an MRI in Canada is a serious waiting game. I don’t see the utopian states of Europe on the cutting edge of technologies. Yes, they do make nice cars, but really, do you recall the last european written video game you played? How about that european film industry?

    And where do you get the notion that it is necessary for Americans to sacrifice daily for this country. JFK’s stirring speech aside, the genius of America has been the recognition and elevation of the individual, even at the expense of the state. Go back and read the Bill of Rights, and tell me I’m wrong. It won’t make you right, just a liar. When sacrifice to preseve the nation has been necessary, our people have answered the call. As much as you kvetch about Iraq and Afghanistan, it wasn’t necessary for everyone to drop what they were doing. As much as the Chin bitched about augmenting the volunteer forces with guardsmen (who, ironically, are ALSO volunteers), the fact was that a draft wasn’t necessary. And the lack of one doesn’t mean that the right doesn’t appreciate or honor their sacrifice; it isn’t the right that bitched for 8 years about their efforts in an “Unwinnable” conflict. The cost of the wars has been a pittance compared to the cost of the giveaways to illeagals and the takeover of the banking and auto industries here in the US.

  63. And where do you get the notion that it is necessary for Americans to sacrifice daily for this country.

    I didn’t introduce the notion of sacrifice into the thread. If I’m not mistaken it was introduced by Alfie as evidence of our exceptionalism and I felt that was, as you would say Brother B, bullshiznit.

  64. “I’m just as unhappy now as I was with Bush that we are trying to fight two wars without paying for them. Maybe you noticed, but Obama would like to raise taxes just a bit to help with the deficit, but not one Republican is on board. Not one.”

    Oh so now you are shifting your argument from paying for the wars to settling our debt?

    You do realize that all of our debt is not war debt, don’t you?

    Pathetic.

    “Again – no response to our points . Only “Oh yeah? Well… Obama is worse!””

    That’s right. And do you know why?

    Because Obama was supposed to be different. Remember? He spent 2 whole years telling us how different he was going to be. Remember?

    So yeah. When I get tired of hearing the history lessons about what a dumbass Bush was, I am going to be right there to tell you how Obama isn’t any better. And since he is the current president, I have this silly notion that his actions are just a little bit more important to the discussion.

    “Obama was appealing to folks who believe in science.”

    Oh bullshit. Obama was blowing smoke up your ass. That’s what I am trying to tell you both. He either didn’t mean most of what he told you for 2 years on the campaign trail, or he was too ignorant to know why he was wrong the whole time. And all you guys want to do is snivel about the last president.

    “I told my wife yesterday, I could write the comments section of this blog myself at this point cos I know all the arguments.”

    Said the man who wrote yet another Palin post.

  65. “Maybe you noticed, but Obama would like to raise taxes just a bit to help with the deficit, but not one Republican is on board. Not one.”

    What I noticed is that he wants to raise taxes for a few people.

    So is it only the rich who are supposed to make these patriotic sacrifices?

  66. Only 69 guys received two Bronze Stars for Valor in Nam.” – DR

    Good find DR. It’ll be interesting to see the Chin comment, though I doubt he will.

    You accuse us of making Obama our Messiah. I counter-accuse you of making America your Messiah. No institution deserves unquestioning devotion. Not a single one. When we abandon critical analysis, we can be led astray. It happened in WWII Germany. It can happen here. This is precisely why Obama does NOT have robust support among liberals anymore. Gitmo is still open with no end in sight. Gays cannot serve openly. Rendition is still the order of the day. To too great an extent, it’s “meet the new boss, same as the old boss”.

    Gray is right, you’ve all dodged your hypocrisy. Please tell us what great sacrifice the American people make for their country right now other than the few who volunteer to risk their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan? You can’t do it. And that’s a comment about America, not about George Bush.” – R

    Who’s not questioning anything?

    Led astray in the absence of critical analysis, you mean like 2008? Do you think about the things you say prior to saying it?

    Sacrifice? How about small businessmen working towards and for the American Dream? I suppose your standard of sacrifice is going without rubber, or steel for the war effort, but I think there are other sacrifices.

    I like how you exclude what is typically associated with sacrifice, military service, though I will point out that not everyone in the military has been to Iraq or Afghanistan, but everyone one of them sacrifice every day.

    But I will agree that the notion of sacrifice has diminished, but in your hypocrisy you will not examine why.

    Definition of ENTITLEMENT
    1: a: the state or condition of being entitled : right
    b: a right to benefits specified especially by law or contract

    2: a: government program providing benefits to members of a specified group; also : funds supporting or distributed by such a program

    3: a: belief that one is deserving of or entitled to certain privileges

    Who pushes this meme? Who is desperate to foster a population that is dependent on the government? This isn’t a comment about America, it is a comment about you.

  67. I’m just as unhappy now as I was with Bush that we are trying to fight two wars without paying for them. Maybe you noticed, but Obama would like to raise taxes just a bit to help with the deficit, but not one Republican is on board. Not one.” – Chin

    Because the best thing one can do for addressing the deficit is to stop spending. Bush’s last budget had a $460 billion deficit, Obama’s last two deficits have been $1.3 TRILLION plus. That’s almost 3 Obama dollars to Bush’s one. Even if we tripled taxes, it wouldn’t cover it.

    Put the pipe down and come back to reality…

  68. American Exceptionalism, as trumpeted by the right wing, DIScourages sacrifice.
    The story goes that we are better than everyone else, and always will be because we had George Washington and the other Founding Fathers. Our God is always on our side, and he’s better than the other guys’ God. We don’t have to work or sacrifice to remain exceptional, because Exceptional is in our very DNA. It’s something that we won’t ever lose because losing it is impossible.
    ” – Chin

    This is why we don’t need you, or anyone else from the left, to speak for us. Que Obama Apology Tour in 3…2…1…

    No, this nation is exceptional because anyone can come here and have the same chance at greatness that everyone else has. This country is exceptional because it believes in the premise that all men are created equal and it is the work, responsibility and accountability of the individual that fosters success. Our God IS everyone else’s God- nowhere else has the level of religious freedom this nation has, but more importantly, it is not the premise that one God is better than another- it is the premise that belief God leads to success. You can question this all you want, but many of the successful in this nation credit God with their success.

    Our exceptionalism is rooted in who we are as a nation. Our founding documents and the socio-political structure of the American Experiment in its onus on the people, not the government. The system and the premise behind it is what makes this country exceptional and the left’s constant effort to change us into something else is very telling…

    But back in reality, the ONLY realm in which we remain truly exceptional among nations is in military might – because we spend more on our military than the rest of the world combined. But not even that might can bend unruly populations in faraway lands to our will.

    Take the Global War on Terror. Sold to us as an existential threat, we weren’t even asked to pay for it. That might have made it unpopular. On the contrary, we got tax cuts.

    Nor were we asked to share the dirty and dangerous work of the military service the GWOT required. Making the few pre-existing volunteers do repeated tours of duty while supplementing their numbers with obscenely highly paid contractors was considered more acceptable than resuming a draft – and letting ALL American families share the sacrifice. ” – Chin

    The more I read from you, the more I question whether or not you actually ever served.

    The military- since day 1- has pointed out that the solution to these conflicts is not in the military. How much, if any, do you even know about these conflicts?

    If you are questioning the existential threat of GWOT, which is what it sounds like, then pray tell- where does the threat lie? I’ve asked you to explain your bullshit in the past, you never do and there’s little reason to expect it now, but you could surprise us.

    How would the draft help today? You’ve been listening to a little too much Jesse Jackson me thinks…

  69. — If you haven’t noticed, I’m reading and commenting backwards… —

    No R, we are not sitting on duds…

    Rutherford – you should know by now that you are only allowed to disparage America when the fault with America that is being discussed is simultaneously being blamed on one or more Democrats. The more, the better.

    At any other time, disparaging America or the policies of its duly elected leaders displays a shocking lack of patriotism. A “real American” would never talk about his country badly in any other context.

    You obviously haven’t been paying attention. But it’s understandable – one’s attention does seem to wander when one is being stroked…… ” –Chin

    Again, you must be speaking to 2008, because the media was stroking so hard that surely we all got a little chaffed.

    I encourage you to display other instances where sitting U.S. Presidents specifically travelled to foreign countries so they could disparage America. Good luck with that…

    How about ANY President, sitting or former, disparaging America overseas? Oooooooo, I know one, but it sure as shit doesn’t help your argument…

  70. R says: “When we talk about exceptionalism we are not talking about the untold examples of heroism that occur everyday, We are talking about a national attitude that is unbecoming.”

    Then what the hell are you talking about? Really. What? Death on the battlefield is an exception. Unrecognized daily sacrafice/heroism is an exception. Personal sacrafice like your folks made is an exception. How about the billions of dollars of humantarian aid this country doles out? The recognized heros that ran into burning skyscrapers afer the planers hit? Just what the hell are you talking about? Really.

    WHY DO YOU INSIST ON SHAME RUTHERFORD?

    “When my Dad worked two jobs and my parents went into debt up to their eyeballs to put me through Harvard, they didn’t walk around pumping their chest about it. The American Exceptionalism problem is not one of what America does but what America SAYS about what it does.”

    Tell me what you’re referring to. It sounds like “the attitude” you think shouldn’t be expressed is precisely what I said it was. Deafeatest, self loathing bullshit you call “truth.”

    “And news flash: every country has untold stories of everyday heroes working hard and sacrificing so another can succeed. It’s not a uniquely American virtue.”

    Who said they were incompatable, Rutherford? Again, just what is it you are advocating?

  71. Good Lord Man!!! Don’t mention the word God to Graychin Rambo pertaining to country.

    That’s like salt to a slug…figuratively and literally.

  72. While we’re on this topic of exceptionalism I heard another factoid this morning that would bolster the Tigre/Tex/Alfie/Gorilla/BiW case (boy am I outnumbered as usual):

    A new HIV drug which will costs thousands a year in America will only cost about 39 cents per dose in the poor countries that will also be using it. The reason: R&D costs are passed onto American consumers but not to all the other beneficiaries around the world. They basically get to freeload off American financed ingenuity.

    Where would the world be without America? (Said only half-sarcastically.) 🙂

  73. A new HIV drug which will costs thousands a year in America will only cost about 39 cents per dose in the poor countries that will also be using it. The reason: R&D costs are passed onto American consumers but not to all the other beneficiaries around the world. They basically get to freeload off American financed ingenuity.

    Where would the world be without America? (Said only half-sarcastically.)

    Where have you been? We’ve been doing that for the world for decades.

    The question you need to ask yourself is “Would we have some of the miracle drugs that we do if it wasn’t for us doing this?”

  74. Rutherford,

    Having Obama stand in foreign countries and talk about the mistakes we have made in the past is like having the uncle you don’t like standing at the neighborhood block party airing all the family dirty laundry with the neighbors who don’t like you anyway.

    It is inappropriate, and there is no upside.

  75. Okay Rutherford. Mr. Jingoistic is willing to grant not everything in America is exceptional – say like, the Lame Stream Media.

    So I’m going to give you an example of a wannabee power broker than is not only not exceptional, but a blight on human society (someone besides Graychin Van Rambo).

    I give you Sally Quinn – the devout atheist who actually manages the rhetorical “FAITH” for the Washington Post (no, I kid you not).

    Here is a perfect example of a national disgrace (no, not Obama) and something many Americans, myself included, should be condemned for reading this tripe:

    P.S – This is what passes for exceptionalism in many liberal circles, though.

    http://onfaith.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/panelists/sally_quinn/2010/11/the_unholy_election_of_bristol_palin.html

  76. The Tigre family has decided to cancel Thanksgiving this year. We’ve taken to heart Graychin’s and Rutherford’s admontions. It simply would not be dignified to celebrate the Pilgrims’ invasion and exploitation of the true Native Americans, not to mention the inequitable tax rates they employed. To celebrate by gorging ourselves on turkey without guilt would be rubbing the true Native American inhabitants’ faces in it (not to mention the non-christians immigrants arriving generations later that give thanks to a different diety or none at all).

    Instead, this year we will be renting a Prius and driving to Manhatten to protest its confiscation. We also plan to visit the site of the mosque to properly honor those that died blocks away. Mr. and Mrs. Tigre will of course explain to the children that their country is not exceptional and projecting otherwise doesn’t display the humility that those in other parts of the world rightly expect.

    Oh and we’ll be sure to clarify that Graychin has exposed their dad as the racist that he is, and their Uncles, Aunts and cousins are Uncle Toms for playing along.

    Thanks for saving us from our own misguided pride. That was a close call.

  77. your dancing show

    I’d hardly call DWTS “my dancing show”. Out of seven or more seasons I’ve watched at most one hour.

    Hopefully Bristol had fun. Let’s leave it at that.

    Now, for as much as we’re enjoying old commercials, here’s a question I have for John Boehner and the incoming GOP House majority regarding their job growth plan:

  78. Yeah, impressive isn’t it? Of course so did the beacons of “dignified humility,” Gore and Obama. Peace just bustin’ out everywhere from their huge contributions. (that’s hard to say without giggling).

    Talk about, “where’s the beef?”

    p.s. sorry about the “your dancing show reference” (I had to google DWTS to find out what that meant). I’ve never seen a moment of it, and in fact learned of the Bristol Palin death threats from Bubbles Brzezinski and the other group of unbiased goofballs at MSNBC. Based on your obsession with her mom, I assumed you’d tune in to feed your anger by watching Bristol.

    p.p.s. but hey, ironically the left does write songs about Obama.

  79. Well I do confess I tuned in last night to Bristol’s swan song. Only watched about the last 20 minutes of a 2 hour show. She was graceful about her third place finish. I fully expected her to blame the lamestream media for her loss …. or perhaps ACORN. 😀

  80. She was graceful about her third place finish.

    Just imagine how well she’d do if she just had an abortion instead.

    And she’d have spared the kid the shame of having Levi for a father. Still, every family needs to have that example of a piss-poor human being as an object lesson to the youngsters…

  81. Tigre, great cartoons.

    BiW … 121 has got to be one of your more cryptic comments. Funny though, as I watched Bristol doing her thing last night, abortion was not on my mind. On the contrary, I was a bit curious who was watching Tripp, seeing as the Daddy is a known no-account and Mommy is shaking her hips on national TV (oh by the way … she’s “shy”.) He certainly wasn’t with Grandma since she was prepping for the book tour.

    Yikes. 😯

  82. “I was a bit curious who was watching Tripp”

    It’s called a babysitter. They’ve been around a while now.

    🙄

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