Bachmann May be a Rep But She’s No Leader

Michele BachmannWhile the sixth congressional district of Minnesota may lack the intellectual fortitude to keep Michele Bachmann at home, at least the establishment in the Republican Party in Washington has the good sense to clip her wings. Last week Bachmann announced her intention to pursue a leadership position in Congress. After realizing she didn’t stand a snowball’s chance in hell of getting the position, she bowed out and backed the favorite Jeb Hensarling.

Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), a favorite of conservative activists around the country, ended her campaign to join the GOP leadership late Wednesday, electing to bow out rather than face near-certain defeat in next week’s leadership elections.

…key Republican figures both in and out of Congress, including Minority Whip Eric Cantor (Va.), embraced her opponent, Rep. Jeb Hensarling (Tex.). Hensarling, like Bachmann, is an ardent conservative, but is not as well-known or as controversial. — Washington Post

While the slaughter we received last week leaves us stunned and a little depressed, we can be thankful for small victories. Keeping Bachmann out of any leadership position in Congress is just such a victory!

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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185 thoughts on “Bachmann May be a Rep But She’s No Leader

  1. I think you celebrate too early Rutherford. Bachmann isn’t a lot of things but she is indeed ambitious to a fault. She will continue to pursue her own goals under the guise of patriotism,conservatism and do so with much zeal.

  2. “Is there more to this post?”

    I was thinking the exact same thing.

    “Really? Is this it?”

    Maybe you’d have more to say, Rutherford, if you were writing about the people in your own party that are desperately trying to hang on to leadership positions (read: Nancy Pelosi) rather than people from the opposition party trying to achieve them.

  3. I find it difficult to offer a substantive comment on this post and the last not because they are opinion pieces, but because there is nothing to consider or respond to.

    Simply giving us a slightly more sophisticated take on “George W. Bush is a poopy-head.” or “Michelle Bachman [ a tax attorney by trade ] is just too stupid to be in the House leadership because I said so” doesn’t really give your readers much to consider. Granted, not explaining why you think so, with some substantive evidence to back it up means that any criticism may be as toothless as the remarks that it responds to, but it also makes for dull reading. This would be better suited to Sensico’s or Cassandra’s pages, where the echo chamber would rush to approve. Maybe I’ve been spoiled, but I’ve come to expect more here.

  4. BiW, this was meant to be a quickie (I do some of them every now and then) and not an in depth analysis of Bachmann. Then again an in depth analysis of Bachmann is like taking a dive off the high board into the kiddle pool. The result is painful if not fatal. 🙂

    P.S. Besides, you guys will go off topic anyway so just consider this a new thread for your latest lib-attacks until I get around to writing something more meaty. 😉

  5. Members of Congress are usually effective in inverse proportion to how loud they are. Coburn, DeMint and thier ilk are loud – get lots of press, get the regressives all excited, and are totally ineffective. Rand Paul is joining that crowd. Miller and O’Donnell would have been great additions as well – too bad about them -LOL. The House treats Bachmann like a retarded aunt.

  6. @ dog and that also applies to Dems and thank God at least there isn’t a sitting (R) that thinks a USMC Battalion or two can make Guam flip over.

    @Rutherford I think you’ve missed the context of my microscopic comment.
    Bachmann much like Palin are living in a moment and are determined and intellectually capable of attacking it to the hilt.The sad thing is that the ambitions of these two are the potential kindling for the GOP demise which is sad (well not to you and yours) seeing as we’ve just taken the keys back from the drunk adolescents.

  7. “seeing as we’ve just taken the keys back from the drunk adolescents”

    Hardly – they are going to continue to torture thier parents. I have plenty of popcorn stocked up… is it meth?

  8. He he he he he.

    To that end, we believe Obama should announce immediately that he will not be a candidate for reelection in 2012.

    If the president goes down the reelection road, we are guaranteed two years of political gridlock at a time when we can ill afford it. But by explicitly saying he will be a one-term president, Obama can deliver on his central campaign promise of 2008, draining the poison from our culture of polarization and ending the resentment and division that have eroded our national identity and common purpose.

    We do not come to this conclusion lightly. But it is clear, we believe, that the president has largely lost the consent of the governed. The midterm elections were effectively a referendum on the Obama presidency. And even if it was not an endorsement of a Republican vision for America, the drubbing the Democrats took was certainly a vote of no confidence in Obama and his party. The president has almost no credibility left with Republicans and little with independents…” – Washington Post

  9. Ah yes. GOP congressmen have been ineffective.

    Of course, it’s a bit difficult to be effective when locked out of secret midnight meetings and being forced to negotiate (when even permitted) with an entire party who’s big contribution to the negotiating process has amounted to “we won and “elections have consequences.”

  10. Odd – not one word of defense so far of Michelle Bachmann herself, just as there was little if any direct defense of GW Bush in the previous thread.

    Michelle Bachmann’s popularity with the crazy-base wing of her party would have made her a shoo-in for leadership except for her one major shortcoming: she’s a loose cannon who couldn’t be depended upon to be a “team player” who would stay in step with the orders of King John.

    I take issue with Rutherford’s thesis that the temporary failure of Bachmann’s leadership ambitions is a victory for progressives. It is not. I want Crazy Michelle to be front and center as often as possible for as long as possible for the next two years so that America can get as clear a view as possible of what they just voted for.

    Unfortunately for them, the Republicans are going to have to find a way to deal with Michelle Bachmann and the large influx of TeaParty-ish congresscritters in their large freshman class. Get the popcorn ready! 😀

  11. As usual, B =W wants EVIDENCE! ADMISSIBLE EVIDENCE, by gum!

    Well, start here. And If this isn’t enough for you, I can get you lots more. Or you can do it yourself if you’re willing. Just google BACHMANN QUOTES. It’s only two words, dude. Not rocket science – or even “creation science.”

    http://www.thebachmannrecord.com/thebachmannrecod.html

    B = W could make much more credible arguments if his lawyer hat wasn’t stapled to his skull. The courtroom shtick sounds really pompous and lame in the context of a political blog.

    And then more lawyer nonsense – the parenthetical that Michelle Bachmann is “a tax attorney by trade,” apparently intended to demonstrate that she is NOT too stupid to be a congresscritter. Well, I will be the first to agree that when it comes to basic intelligence Michelle Bachmann probably has an IQ that is at least 50% higher than that of George W. Bush, who seems to have both a lifelong reading disability and a brain damaged by excessive alcohol consumption over a long period of time.

    But I digress. I don’t think that Bachmann is stupid – not at all. It’s that she’s crazy – she has little day-to-day contact with reality. But perhaps Will Rogers would have disagreed with me:

    “There is nothing so stupid as an educated man, if you get him off the thing he was educated in.”

    Rand Paul also comes to mind.

  12. …actully between the pathetic GOP-Teabagger group lining up for 2012 and thier new members in Congress Obama looks like a landslide in 2012. Run Sarah Run! Or is it Teflon Mitt??

    Has Boner brought us jobs yet?

  13. Re: #14 –

    Douglas Schoen and Patrick Caddell are best known for going on the Fox News Channel, where they pretend to be “Democratic strategists.” But unlike virtually every other Democratic strategist in the Western world, the two men show a studied disinterest in and a complete antipathy for any of the policies and philosophies for which the Democratic Party is best known. This is because the two men are disingenuous hacks. And another well-known forum of disingenuous hackery is the Washington Post editorial page, where today, the two men appear with advice for President Barack Obama.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/12/pretend-democrats-advise-_n_782991.html

  14. TV does not get Faux. Last time it got Faux was when Obama was on ORally. Regrettably you had to sit through a lot of garbage to get to the future POTUS. Featured were two young “democrat” chicks – who would present some “democrat” opinion – which then Orally would shoot down. The chicks would then tell ORally how very very smart he was. Are Faux viewers really that stupid? – Don’t answer.
    With the typical pathic interview – ORally repeatedly interrupting – I didn’t bother with the second one.

  15. …actully between the pathetic GOP-Teabagger group lining up for 2012 and thier new members in Congress Obama looks like a landslide in 2012. Run Sarah Run! Or is it Teflon Mitt??

    Has Boner brought us jobs yet?

    Seriously?Seriously! Seriously. I don’t know if a should really bother giving this comment a sniff. It clearly resides in two camps,#1 “…oops we just got our asses handed to us and I’m crying” and just plain old partisan stupid.
    OK I’ve sniffed a little let me piss on it a little.
    #1 the GOP will actually have a primary and it will be a very important one.
    #2 Obama will have to leave the Progressives/Liberals and Commies even farther behind in the rear view mirror to attempt to be reelected and by that I mean to actually run and to run unopposed within the (D) cycle.That last one was unheard of 6-12 months ago.
    #3 The GOP could very well self destruct over the next 18 months,but I doubt it. I think far more likely they will achieve a sustainable level of populism which will give them all 3 DC locales with the added bonus that SCOTUS will likely stay whole for the remainder of O’s term.

  16. The 2010 election made it clear: The era of Big Government Republicanism is over.

    As the Big Government Republicans take their place in the dustbin of history beside the slavery-accommodationist wing of the Whig Party, it’s time for Tea Partiers to take the next logical step in the development of their movement.

    It’s time to begin the hard work that will ensure that future Republican nominees, at all levels from constable to president, are supporters of Tea Party principles. It’s time to flood GOP meetings, to seek party offices ranging from precinct committee member to national convention delegate, and to gently (or not) push aside the party’s moribund, incompetent leadership

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/OpEd-Contributor/It_s-time-for-the-Tea-Party-to-take-over-the-GOP-1498964-106907628.html#ixzz15Ctw2A6N

  17. #1 the GOP will actually have a primary and it will be a very important one.” – Alfie

    Yup, and so will the Dems. You don’t get your ass kicked in the mid-term based on campaigning from your own party throwing you under the bus and NOT face a primary. And sitting Presidents who have faced a primary, well, the record isn’t good.

    When the Yellowbitch called Obama a shoe-in, he didn’t understand that the voters were going to put a shoe-in the ass of his agenda.

    #2 Obama will have to leave the Progressives/Liberals and Commies even farther behind in the rear view mirror to attempt to be reelected and by that I mean to actually run and to run unopposed within the (D) cycle.That last one was unheard of 6-12 months ago. ” – Alfie

    He won’t leave the left. Listen to the pundits on the left, all of which are yelling as loud as they can to not compromise with the GOP. There is no logic in this, other than to maintain ideological purity. Amazing considering how recently the left was rejected at the polls.

    #3 The GOP could very well self destruct over the next 18 months, but I doubt it. I think far more likely they will achieve a sustainable level of populism which will give them all 3 DC locales with the added bonus that SCOTUS will likely stay whole for the remainder of O’s term. ” – Alfie

    While I’ll never underestimate the GOP’s ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, I agree that they’ll likely not make the mistakes that the left is praying for. What’s hilarious is that this is apparently the strategy of the left- pray the right screws up. How’d that praying thing in the elections work out? Sucks when you’re godless…

    I talked about this at my place in that I thought it was a good thing the GOP didn’t take the Senate. The GOP House will force the Senate to vote on a host of legislation, a Senate that is shell-shocked and full of Dems in Red states who have to run in 2012. So expect the Senate to vote in favor of the GOP on several issues, which will force Obama to sign it, let it pass without his signature, or more importantly veto it. The last couple of years, he has tried to get away with the “present” vote by letting Reid and Pelosi take the heat- he won’t have that luxury for the next two years, which will force his position in the 2012 election.

    As for the SCOTUS, if Obama’s numbers stay where they are at, then expect Breyer and Ginsburg to retire in time for Obama to replace them. The timing will be tricky though because I would not be surprised to see the GOP successfully block most of Obama’s candidates. That could easily turn into an issue for the 2012 elections as the GOP candidate(s) point at Sotomayor and Kagan as examples of extremes on the bench. There will be plenty of case history by then- can you say OBAMACARE.

    Should be a fun two years…

  18. What’s wrong Yeller Dawg? Hard to live with getting your ass handed to you after you’ve run your idiot mouth for two years? You and your cowardly buddy Graychin don’t sound so cocky now…a couple of bitter, lonely old men getting teabagged around the clock.

    But you did get one thing right – even if the stopped clock had to cut and paste to do so.

    The Big Government Republicans have been moved to the dustbin of history – the few that remain will be localized in the Northeast and play a less insignificant role each election, until such time as people again forget.

    And then about 16 years from now, Obama’s soiled name will be forgotten and America will nominate another liberal nominee for two years so the new generation of unwashed can personally experience just how unedifying, unfulfilling, self-defeating, and insidious “progressive politics” really is.

  19. In all honesty I’m curoious if any of the other thread residents would offer up some insights/answers.
    Big Government Republicanism? Does that not translate that as a country plain ole Big Government regardless of party is out too? Especially false Keynesian economics.
    Any offerings on an example of a Big Govt. Republican?!?

  20. iIf you have forgotten you won’t have long to wait. The GOP is always Big Government as soon as they get a taste of power. Now is no different. Even Randy Paul has suddenly gotten a taste for earmarks… Don’t think for a moment the teabaggers will stop them.

  21. Here’s a news flash for you liberals getting a chubby over the prospect of freshmen congressmen/women making fools of themselves and the GOP…

    They can’t hold a candle to the devastation your freshman senator-turned-president has done to your party.

  22. Rutherford and the rest of the lefty lackeys can mock Conservative women all they want.

    But until they can find me someone this dumb, they’re blowing smoke:

  23. Rutherford, I know how you like to apply classic music and movies to current situation, so I decided to dedicate this to you with regard to your hero, spiritual adviser and mentor: Barack Hussein Obama. 😉

    Rabbit’s simple but profound statement from above inspired me. My, my, my how the man who dared stand in front of Greek Temples has fallen.

    –He’s a real nowhere man
    sitting in his nowhere land,
    making all his nowhere plans,
    for nobody.–

  24. Rutheford, do you remember some of my first comments here were in reference to “Honest Obe” – at the time, you were flying so high that you even let my mocking pass you bye.

    It’s always good to reflect back and gain a measure of our predictions. I was this morning, this statement and thought it fun to reflect back on liberal predictive prowess…

    Obama mentioned Lincoln continually during the 2008 campaign. After he vanquished John McCain he passed out copies of Team of Rivals, a book about Lincoln’s cabinet, to his senior staff. At his inauguration, he chose to be sworn into office using Lincoln’s Bible. At the inaugural luncheon following the ceremony, he requested that the food—each dish of which was selected as a “tribute” to Lincoln—be served on replicas of Lincoln’s china. … It’s troubling that a fellow whose electoral rationale was that he edited the Harvard Law Review and wrote a couple of memoirs was comparing himself to the man who saved the Union.

    So while you deflect and project, making continual mention of Palin and Bachmann, O’Donnell and Angle, in these threads, I wonder if you have the honesty to broach something about the 4,000lbs hippo you avoid in the political chatroom?

    Does Obama now represent Hope, or Change? 😈

  25. Dedicated to the memory of one of The One’s first acts of astronomical arrogance. Sending the bust of Winston Churchill back to England, with a copy of Obama’s Greatest Hits.

    Of course Obama would not be the first leader to feel born to greatness. Winston Churchill, whose bust Obama removed upon taking office, wrote of the night the king summoned him to take charge of a battered nation preparing for a Nazi invasion. “I felt as if I were walking with destiny, and that all my past life had been but a preparation for this hour and this trial.” But it was not his destiny alone; and the coming struggle was not to be a display of his ample powers, but simply concentration of the fate of his own people, whose destiny he shared. Churchill saw himself as the mirror of England’s greatness. If Obama could tell America “you’ve got me” so don’t worry, Churchill would only say he was great because “I’ve got them.” ~ Richard Fernandez

    Proverbs 3:34
    He mocks proud mockers, but shows favor to the humble and oppressed.

  26. Antonio Margarito suffered a fractured orbital bone last night’s slaughter by the hands of the much smaller Manny Pacquiao.

    Manny is pound for pound the best fighter of all time. He is a machine gun and a sniper rifle rolled into one.

  27. Rutherford,

    Did you actually listen to my suggestion, or do great minds simply think alike? Because this is almost verbatim what I left here last week. 😉

    Sorry but 250k per year does NOT make you rich. That’s problem #1. Make the threshold $1 million! ~ Rutherford via Twitter

  28. Yeah those GOP- teabaggers aren’t too smart about the tubes and the internets. Harder to keep thier thievery, buggery, and adultery discrete these days.

  29. I don’t care what R says, I see him losing faith everyday in the liberal ideology. Too funny…

    No, I wouldn’t say I’m losing faith with the liberal ideology although I’ve never been quite the ideologue that some of you have portrayed me.

    Right now I see us in a state of great instability, If Obama moves one way, he loses an already disappointed base. If he moves another way, he excites the base but hits a GOP wall and nothing gets done. It is fascinating to see Chris Matthews and Ed Schulz getting real hot under the collar as Obama appears to be putting politics ahead of ideology.

    We will see.

  30. I ran out of time on my Internet radio show today so I didn’t get a chance to launch the following call:

    Time to impeach Samuel Alito

    While this needs more research from me. I’m seeing a lot of overt political activity from Alito unbecoming of a SCOTUS member. I’d throw Clarence Thomas in there too but I’m not sure it’s his fault that he can’t control Ginny. 😉

  31. It’s apparent that many folks have never gone to a PTA meeting before.. Ever since Sarah Palin got the ball rolling the fanatic egotistical polycrats think they all know ‘what’ should be the mold for congress. Stuffed shirts with legal degrees.

    Mishy, I agree, is no leader. However, she is a VOICE.. and she represents MANY. as Sarah Palin does.

    Government will change. But not with Obama. What is happening today is simple.. Feminists vs. MEN. Different kind of Feminist… the stay at home moms who are educated are pissed off.

  32. Tigre,

    So What? The Postal service is so excellent in delivery, that the obvious problem is the Postal Office didn’t receive enough funding. Obviously, Repugs and GOPhers have been trying to short sell the Post Office for years.

    The Post Office is the perfect model for the delivery of health care. Didn’t you read that Rambo Vainchin’s service is unbelievably efficient? Does anything else matter?

    If the Teabaggers hadn’t interfered with their constant message of “NO”, we could have had a public option.

    /sarcasm off

  33. I see folks conveniently overlooked the effect of electronic mail on the postal service. Technology shifts have done in businesses before. This does not point to US Postal inefficiency.

  34. Tex, I am still scratching my head over G-chin’s assessment of government-run entities by referencing the USPS. Duh.

    R, you a distorted and irrational view of feminism not because you have a penis, but because you think the left owns it. The same holds true for minority politics. Just maybe, some day “your ilk” will recognize the actual harm to race and gender relations caused by your inverse view of what constitutes empowerment.”

  35. I see folks conveniently overlooked the effect of electronic mail on the postal service.

    What? The USPS is by structure a non profit entity in that what it makes is what it needs. Loosing postcards and friendly notes is a loss of revenue but it is balanced by the fact that it doesn’t need to spend on providing a service.
    So actually the ills of the USPS is directly traced to the inefficiencies of its own bureaucracy. The pension scheme the USPS is burdened with,the discounting applied to junk mail and of course to a lesser degree the sin of franking in the electronic age,but then again the Gray Panthers don’t do the web.

  36. I have a preconceived notion of what feminism is and perhaps that is why I have a blind spot regarding Palin and Bachmann.

    Perhaps you’d care to share with the group what your preconceived notion is??????

  37. In the name of “fairness” Rutherford, I dedicate this to you. 😉

    We here at TLC realize that our fabulous new hit series Sarah Palin’s Alaska may not appeal to all our viewers. We understand that a substantial segment of the population has no interest in watching Sarah Palin or taking a tour of Alaska.

    And so it is with great pleasure that we’d like to announce a new show carefully designed to appeal to those of you who don’t like Sarah Palin, her state, or her values:

    Nancy Pelosi’s San Francisco

    http://pajamasmedia.com/zombie/2010/11/14/nancy-pelosis-san-francisco/

  38. Unless you don’t want universal mail service – USPS will be public, and by some measure “lose money” .
    UPS and FEDEX gets to pick thier customers, how they serve them, and thier prices.
    THE USPS is in fact highly reliable. Regular old 1st class mail gets it there – for the most part the extra services are a waste of money. .
    I deal quite a bit with foreign mails. Canada is bad, China is much worse as is Italy, most of the middle east and south America.

    Of course some think privatizing fire departments is OK.

  39. Rutherford, it is almost impossible to believe you could have earned admission to an Ivy League school with a mind that would formulate comments this profoundly ignorant:

    I see folks conveniently overlooked the effect of electronic mail on the postal service. Technology shifts have done in businesses before. This does not point to US Postal inefficiency.

    In case they don’t teach this at Harvard, let me clue you in on a couple of indisputable economic facts.

    One, you don’t continually increasing your pricing when demand for your product is under pressure. This is called economic imbecility.

    Two, what in the hell do you mean it doesn’t point to US Postal inefficiency?

    YES IGNORAMUS, that is exactly what it points to – inefficiency. You know, like your car will get you faster to the grocery store than your horse?

    If we had left it to you and your beloved government, you’d still be forcing us to take ride in buggies, whip in hand, with the price higher than the purchase of a new car.

  40. Yep Rutherford, see Dawg’s statement. His timing of his usual indecipherable hieroglyphics is perfect.

    I’m glad Yeller is on your side! 😉 Can you imagine the Yeller Dawg administrating your health care? This man is TSA material…

  41. Even better (and also overlooked): “Technology shifts have done in businesses before.” And. . . they go out of business.

  42. UPS and FEDEX gets to pick thier customers, how they serve them, and thier prices.
    Actually UPS and FedEx are chosen by their customers and are paid a rate that the consumer accepts as acceptable for the service rendered.
    It is also to be noted that FedEx moves mail for the USPS because if they didn’t USPS wouldn’t be viable.

  43. Don’t blame the dog, Alfie. Olby didn’t tell him those things, so we can’t expect him to know them.

    Of course some think unionizing fire departments is OK.

  44. Hey idiot dog….does the postman who delivers your mail from Italy speak Italian or are you foolishly ignoring the fact that the USPS probably touches your foreign mail more than the country of origin does?

    Ciao…

  45. Ha ha.. doggie.. Hey, I know that Tex dude.. he is the old holliday from the TW.. and he could be Bill from the newsok.. Are ya? Better watch it dude.. there be punted TW posters on this here thread..
    “Hey idiot dog….does the postman who delivers your mail from Italy speak Italian or are you foolishly ignoring the fact that the USPS probably touches your foreign mail more than the country of origin does?”

    Oh that is good.. better watch it thar bud.. I take this is an uncensored site.. anything goes???

    If so.. I can bring out Arch Stanton.. LMAO!!

  46. Perhaps you’d care to share with the group what your preconceived notion is??????

    Alfie, I guess I view the feminist as the woman who relies on intellect to assert her equality with men. Sarah and Michele use their “gut” which in my book makes them no better than cowboy George Bush.

    But perhaps what we are seeing, and what SayW is alluding to is the rise of the Cowgirl! A new brand of feminism. 😉

    P.S. Yeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

  47. More like the dingbat – but that’s not a new thing. Angle, ODonnell, Palin, Baughman. Good grief – is that the best the GOP-Teabaggers can come up with? The reason they hate Peloci so much is that she is effective, and smart, and gets the job done. Those GOP gurls are loud – but none of the above.

  48. “But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it” Yeahthat and the results of the past legislative session,Democrat Party discord and the mid term election results…yeah Nancy P is a real fucking genius dog.
    This comment won’t disappear I bet.

  49. I honestly don’t even know where to start on that Rutherford

    Let me help you Alfie. When is the last time you heard anyone other than me call themselves a “common sense liberal”? Yet what do we get with Sarah Palin? A “common sense conservative”. I find that (me excluded) is a euphemism for “I want to talk sh*t but I don’t really want to think too hard.”

    As I said earlier, it is the George Dubbya model of “I think from my gut.” It’s a poor replacement for real analysis.

  50. Speaking of George W, I’m sure most of you guys missed a moment on MSNBC Friday night that would NEVER have happened on Fox News.

    Keith Olbermann had planned to do a segment mocking Bush for plagiarizing other books in the writing of “Decision Points”. At the last minute, Olbermann canceled the segment, deciding that the plagiarism charges were a stretch and basically trumped up.

    For a liberal ideologue to pass up an opportunity to poop on Bush is truly extraordinary. Like I said, you’d NEVER see Fox pass up an opportunity to poop on Obama.

  51. As for olbermunch,who made the original charges is my first question. Olby will be a total pussy for at least 6 months,he needs to make his mortgage payments.
    You’re loosing me on the conservative/liberal thing whence looking to understand feminism.
    A woman who can assert herself and stand strong should be the epitome of what groups like NOW would want in a poster girl.

  52. There have always been loud regressive women who have been eager to throw thier own gender under the bus – or rather keep them barefoot and PG in the kitchen. Phyllis Schlafly comes to mind

  53. Do the Google on “Bush plagiarism” Many many examples – top hits from Politico and Christian Science Monitor – neither a liberal bastion to say the least.

  54. Yeller…

    Since I’m a ‘sweet guy’, I’ll help you out. Take me off of “iggy” for a moment.

    THEIR…not THIER.

    Rambo Vainchin must be out on vacation and you’ve escaped from the asylum again? You’re not a couple of cans short. You’re the six pack loop ring with one empty can.

  55. Dawg doesn’t think Politico is liberal? SNORT….The damn Politico creator was on Journolist.

    What is it Elric says? Mindless Drone?

  56. Dog you’re such a pile.
    #1 can the “regressive” bullshit. It isn’t true and impresses nobody. Trust me you only showcase your juvenile idiocy when using it.
    #2 All Bush plagiarism charges stem from a HuffPo blog post. Awesome. I seem to remember the creator of HuffPo being far more credibly accused.
    #3 Dog you may be a bitch but I think your knowledge and wisdom base truly prevents you from intelligently discussing the nuances of feminism or any other subject.

  57. Beyond the “quick, drive by” quality of the post, the 500lb-gorilla in the room is the energy and thought expended about whether Michele Bachmann exhibits the qualities expected in a leader, while completely ignoring the lack of anything resembling the same in your man in office, the Obambastic.

    There’s a target rich environment on the Dem side of the isle, but there’s not one mention of the brown-eyed cow and grass-roots denying Pelosi, the brainless Waters, the overly-proud and hollow Boxer, bank defender and supporter Dodd, GSE stalwart Frank, the overtly arrogant Reid,and the perpetually abominable Grayson, all of whom have failed to exhibit anything remotely resembling the kind of leadership this county desperately needs.

    To wave an accusing finger toward Bachmann while ignoring so many on the left makes your accusation rather meaningless and hollow.

    If you were true to your own principles you would have thrown the same accusations toward those mentioned above. It would have shown some integrity and deep thinking on your part. As it is, it serves to make you out to be a bit of a hypocrite.

  58. As for Keith Olbermann, who at the last minute canceled his baseless accusation against Bush, it appears he made the correct decision, no doubt one which Dan Blather wished he had made.

    Pooping on the Obambastic is easy. He provides the material on his own for all but the mainstream media and PR arm of the DNC to use. Unlike the material Olberman wanted to use, the material used against the community organizer occupying the Oval Office doesn’t have to be made up.

    There is little doubt that when his term is over, history will paint Obama as the president who made Carter out to look like he knew what he was doing.

  59. Ben, don’t make a leap too far. Rutherford has taken some shots at the messiah. He’s not completely blind. And he’s still in the intial srages of the grieving process SHOCK & DENIAL.

    Next comes,

    PAIN & GUILT-

    ANGER & BARGAINING-

    DEPRESSION, REFLECTION, LONELINESS-

    THE UPWARD TURN-

    RECONSTRUCTION & WORKING THROUGH-

    ACCEPTANCE & HOPE-

    Lather, rinse, repeat. . .

    R, we’re gonna love you through this.

  60. O Dear Alfie is getting hufffy – musta hit a nerve…or he’s wanting to fit in better with the trolls.

    Trolls? The only trolls here are you, and the guy who holds your leash, doggie.

    R, we’re gonna love you through this.

    I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

  61. O Dear Alfie is getting hufffy – musta hit a nerve…or he’s wanting to fit in better with the trolls.

    Yeller,

    Alfie is much too gentlemanly to tell you this, so I feel I must.

    YOU EPITOMIZE the VILLAGE IDIOT’S ASSISTANT,AND ARE POSSIBLY THE VERY DUMBEST PERSON ON THE ENTIRE WORLD WIDE WEB.

    In other words YELLER, the only thing you provide here worthy of value is to be laughed at. Get some new material if you’re going to insult, or move the stylus. I’ve seen automated responses that have more imagination.

  62. Say,

    Hey, I know that Tex dude.. he is the old holliday from the TW.. and he could be Bill from the newsok.. Are ya? Better watch it dude.. there be punted TW posters on this here thread..

    🙂 So did you get your one warning from the Lib Tulsa World Staff? I told them to kiss my ass when they sent me a warning to play nice. Insulted Bruce Plante and Mike Jones in the process too. I was the Keyboard Cowboy…

    Did you go by ‘Say What’ over there at T-World?

  63. A very disturbing article. Almost hard to believe.

    http://chronicle.com/article/article-content/125329/

    And by the way, this interview between Hannity and Bush is the best story telling I’ve ever witnessed.

    Say what you will about Bush Rutherford. He may have been a mediocre President, certainly not an eloquent President, but as a war time President he was excellent and incredibly brave.

    And on his worst day, Bush is a far classier act than Barack Obama or Bill Clinton will ever be. 😉

  64. Tex, you’ll be pleased to know that I watched The Third Jihad (in small doses over several evenings).

    So here’s my question to you. Shouldn’t we start by killing Dr. Zuhdi Jasser? He’s a Muslim and he has told us Muslims are not to be trusted. They’re building community centers with the secret intent of contaminating our culture, etc. etc.

    You see, this so reminds me of “Invasion of the Body Snatchers” where no one is as they seem. My first question would be how can I trust Dr. Jasser? What makes him a good Muslim? 👿

  65. So here’s my question to you. Shouldn’t we start by killing Dr. Zuhdi Jasser? He’s a Muslim and he has told us Muslims are not to be trusted. They’re building community centers with the secret intent of contaminating our culture, etc. etc.

    I’m glad you watched it. You mad the attempt and are to be admired for seeking truth. Learn anything? I should have warned you it wasn’t one of those flicks that simply grabs you and doesn’t let go. I understand having to watch it in small segments.

    I’m a little puzzled at your comment above.

    Of all the battles you and I have had the last couple of years, one of our few agreements of substance was for “moderate” Muslims to step forward. Dr. Jasser has done exactly that, and I greatly admire him for doing so. And by the way, Dr. Jasser also supported Oklahoma’s passage of SQ 755 banning sharia. He understands the danger of creeping sharia better than any of us.

    My only complaint with Dr. Jasser is that I found even his simplification of just “a few Muslims” dishonest. And I use as proof his Third Jihad, that opens with exactly that statement. Throughout the documentary, football fields of sharia compliant Muslims, Iran, the Taliban, Saudi Arabia, radicals too numerous to list were used as examples – that is not just a few. That is many. It’s not just a small number of Muslims. I would wager the number of radicals easily in the tens of millions.

  66. To quote BiW, I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

    I think this is the most second most misguided of many “misguides” of your personality Rutherford. I think you are a very poor judge of character.

    There is absolutely nothing of political or business Obama that is quality or class, besides his ability to make a prepared presentation. But off the cuff he hems and haws just like Bush. Obama may be a fine father. But Obama is a megalomaniac and not nearly as bright as you would like us to believe. Obama is certainly not qualified to be leader of our country and it has showed.

    And you simply can not bring yourself to admit you made a serious error in judgment. You come close to hinting your doubts sometimes, but you always revert back to steadfast liberalism.

  67. Rutherford,

    Can we at least admit the Sam Kinison You Tube was damn funny? Don’t you know Hippie would have enjoyed that clip?

  68. I’m a little puzzled at your comment above.

    Tex, we can’t separate the film from our own interpretation of Islam. If the film is an eye-opener, and it is, then where do we go from here? What parts of his religion is Dr. Jasser ready to denounce? Why hasn’t Jasser simply become a Christian? Why are you so willing to let him off the hook?

    I think you’re coming real close to admitting that Islam is a legit religion with a lot of bad eggs causing it problems. If I am not mistaken, the skinny woman in the film (I forget her name but I’ve seen her on several shows) is now an atheist. She left Islam. Does this make her a more credible critic?

    I think the film raises more questions than it answers. It certainly hits the fear button quite successfully.

    P.S. I couldn’t help but think as I watched much of the film, “what a bunch of nutjobs”. But then I had to put myself in check since Christians are just non-violent nutjobs … non-violent for now. These things go in cycles. Will we be one day fearing a militarized religious right?

  69. Going back to the Kinison video, I’ve often thought about what bastards the news media are when they cover suffering and strife. Take Haiti for example. We know damn sure that Brian Williams was “taken care of” while he covered Haiti. He knew where his next meal was coming from and where his shelter was coming from.

    Kinison was dead on — drop the camera and give the kid a f*cking sandwich.

  70. Kinison was dead on — drop the camera and give the kid a f*cking sandwich.

    Oh, I couldn’ t stand the irreligious SOB. But he is right on that point, and I thought so the first time I heard it. But that clip I embedded is hilarious. SAY IT! SAY IT! 😆

    And it’s funny you mention Brian Williams, because I was thinking the same thing last night watching 60 MInutes. I admire these volunteers, but I was trying to imagine where they sleep. And I’ll bet you money it’s a comfortable bed.

    Haiti would appear to be as close to hell on earth as I’ve witnessed in my lifetime. I’ve heard Calcutta is about the same way.

  71. Tex, funny that you mention Calcutta. Now maybe my history is a little rusty but when Obama raves about the great democracy of India, isn’t he forgetting a minor detail:

    a caste system that is alive and well that determines what you will be in life from the moment you’re born!

    Like I said, maybe I just haven’t kept up with things and the caste system is a thing of the past. I hope so, Anyone on the board care to wise me up?

  72. What parts of his religion is Dr. Jasser ready to denounce?

    But that wasn’t the purpose of the film. Its intent was to warn how the religion is being perverted.

    Why hasn’t Jasser simply become a Christian? Why are you so willing to let him off the hook?

    It’s not a question of letting him off the hook Rutherford, no more so that I let you, or Huck, or Gorilla off the hook. Each of us must choose our own path and make our own choices about worship. I can answer your questions but am unworthy to judge matters of the heart.

    However, I predict there will come a time that the Doctor’s eyes will be opened. At least that is my prayer for him.

    I think you’re coming real close to admitting that Islam is a legit religion with a lot of bad eggs causing it problems.

    I’ve never questioned Islam being a legitimate religion. That’s its problem – it’s a religion and not a relationship. It’s a cult. And I’ve never said all Muslims bad people. In the strictest sense, we’re all bad people. I personally know many Muslims that I would call loving people.

    What I question about Islam is not the legitimacy of those worshiping but that being worshiped. Does that make sense?

  73. Shoot Rutherford. The older I get, the more I sometimes believe the United States comes real close to being a caste system. I have legitimately witnessed few men or women successful that were either born privileged, or were lucky enough to meet privilege opening up the avenues.

    There’s a few self-made men, but nearly as many as Americans would like to believe.

    That is the one thing I admire about Bill Clinton, and the reason I know he is highly intelligent. That man came from nothing…and for all practical purposes, should have ended up nothing.

    You can’t help but admire that.

  74. Crap….weren’t; not were.

    I meant to say that most successful people have received the benefit of either birthright privilege or serendipity of being befriended by privilege.

    Sorry, I’m watching TV while answering – and doing neither well.

  75. Here’s an example of a fascism – pure and simple. If this isn’t a vindictive and petty, I don’t know what is…I have thought the TSA jackboots for at least the last five years.

    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/nov/14/tsa-ejects-oceanside-man-airport-refusing-security/

    A press conference? The TSA is out of control and Janet Napolitano needs to be fired immediately for approving this. And I’ve heard Conservatives supporting this crap! Are you serious dummies?

    The next attack will not be with planes idiots! The crew and passengers are not going to let that happen again.

  76. “The next attack will not be with planes idiots! The crew and passengers are not going to let that happen again.”

    Tex, we’ve already had the shoe and underwear bombers — and now toner cartridges — aboard planes.

    They can scan my junk all they want (of course, they might need to zoom out to capture it all). But no way am I gonna let a man grope me.

  77. Tigre, I hate to say this because I think some of your comments quite clever, but when we allow ourselves to be groped, harassed, and treated like concentration camp attendants for the sake of feeling safe, then the terrorists have won.

    The full body scans or groping would have done nothing to prevent toner cartridges packed with explosives. And the other two incidents originated in foreign countries flying into America.

    What worries me is that I am witnessing all over, and you are certainly not alone in your assessment, of people allowing themselves to be duped into believing safety at all costs is justified and necessary. The only thing this will do will make an unpleasant experience called commercial flying even more unpleasant, and possibly put an already distressed industry into the dink.

    And that reminds me in large part of normally intelligent people not being able to see through what a fraud a man named Obama really was when they pulled the lever in 2008, only to have buyer’s remorse not three months later.

  78. They can scan my junk all they want (of course, they might need to zoom out to capture it all). But no way am I gonna let a man grope me.

    Tigre your exchange with Tex leaves me very confused. I’m not sure what Tex got out of your comment but I got a bizarre contradiction.

    You say, unlike Tex, that the plane threats will continue. Then you say you’re all for body scans (which we know don’t catch everything) and then you say you won’t allow yourself to be “groped”. This seems all over the place. Were you being sarcastic? Did I miss something?

    I tend to agree with Tex that the “fly planes into buildings” approach is pretty much over. It lost its element of surprise on 9/12/2001. I also agree with Tex that airline passengers won’t stand for it. They’ll bring the sucker down.

    So what remains is how we handle bombs on board planes. I’m really not that troubled by the current process. Admittedly I don’t travel as much as I used to but I have traveled a few times since 9/11 and I’m just not that put off by the current procedure.

  79. duped into believing safety at all costs is justified and necessary.

    Ahhh Tex, I doth smelleth bullsh*t emanating from your pie hole.

    You are the first to get in line and scream about building that safe haven for terrorists known as the 9/11 mosque … willing to toss out the religious freedoms upon which our country was built … so you can feel a bit more safe and secure.

    Thou doth protest too much. 🙂

  80. “R”,

    You are the first to get in line and scream about building that safe haven for terrorists known as the 9/11 mosque … willing to toss out the religious freedoms upon which our country was built … so you can feel a bit more safe and secure.

    Are you really that dumb? Seriously?

    You think I’m against the 9/11 mosque for safety concerns, or understand that I believe the Cordoba mosque a safe haven for terrorists?

    Let’s try this again Rutherford and try to understand this time.

    I’m against the mosque because I find it highly inappropriate to be built there, say a lot to me about how moderate Islma really is, believe it spits in the eye of all Americans including those “moderate” Muslims who also share my opinion the a mosque is inappropriate to be built that close to the Towers. I believe it is provocation pure and simple, further assuring me that I was always right in my hypothesis that most Muslims aren’t living in America to enjoy its freedoms, but to mold America into something our founders never intended and you and I are not going to like.

  81. That last comment of mine reads more like Haiku. I really do wish WordPress would add as application a preview button.

    But Rutherford, I’ll assume you are intelligent enough to decipher my opinion…

    Might be a bad assumption on my behalf after reading what you thought my justification for not building the mosque.

    It makes me wonder if you just skip my comments anymore.

  82. Tex, sorry to disappoint.

    First, I can’t help that I’m hung like a yak and I am proud of it.

    Second, I don’t agree that the era of bringing down planes (domestic or international) has past. Domestic or not, the flight crews themselves can’t prevent a suicide bomber.

    Third, I really feel that much of this is but a tempest in a teapot.

    All of which gets me to the contradiction alleged by Rutherford. As I understand it, the groping occurs when the passenger refuses the scan. Since I don’t have a problem with the scan (and frankly the poor bastards that actually have to look at the disgusting figures comprising 99% of the population), I say scan away. Contact (in the form of a man grabbing my nuggets) is something different, as would be a cavity search. (I will say, that somehow an attractive female doing the groping would not be objectionable — and I mean that). So “safety at all costs” is not my premise.

    In my opinion, to board a plan without assurances that reduce the passengers anxiety, not over the procedures for boarding but in the flight itself, are a victory. I can’t speak to the effectiveness of the scans because. However, measures undertaken to adapt to the threat does not equal a victory for the terrorists in my mind. The opposite does.

    Rutherford, you aligning yourself with Tex? You guys are just fucking with me now. I was only kidding when I said we’d love you through your grieving process. You’re going to have to arrive at the epiphany that liberalism is a farce and Obama is a doofus on your own.

  83. Tex, I’ll hand you one thing. Islam is one thorny sucker. It is the poster boy for religious zealotry and the extreme example of why religious skeptics like me are religious skeptics.

    Speaking of religion, I’ve just started watching a six part YouTube video called “Godless in America: Madalyn Murray-O’Hair”. She’s a hoot. She so f*cked up her kid’s mind that he became a born again Christian. LOL

  84. Speaking of religion, I’ve just started watching a six part YouTube video called “Godless in America: Madalyn Murray-O’Hair”. She’s a hoot. She so f*cked up her kid’s mind that he became a born again Christian. LOL

    I know, I went and heard him “preach” about 25 years ago at a local church. And he was pretty good too. God does work in mysterious ways. 😉

    However, if you had heard the story of the mother from the son, you would recognize this was very sick, very demented woman. She had been scorned by her lover if memory serves and decided to keep his name.

    I do remember her son talking about his mother’s attempt to try and defect to the Soviet Union. The story was actually humorous because when they entered the Soviet embassy (mother and children), the Soviet staff had never encountered somebody actually seeking citizenship to their country had no forms, no procedures, etc… 😛 She was rejected immediately, as the staff recognized she was deluded.

  85. Tex, sorry to disappoint.

    First, I can’t help that I’m hung like a yak and I am proud of it.

    First time I’ve caught you in a bald-faced lie. I wanted to go through with a Dirk Diggler attached, just to see the reaction. 🙂

    No disappointment – just shock that an otherwise intellect can’t fathom how this procedure could be abused. I don’t want my daughters or wife proceeding thru these things.

    Mind you, I find the average TSA IQ on par with Yeller Dawg. I’ll guarantee you some time, some place, these “images” will be transmitted across the internet with name attached. You watch…

  86. Of course, the poetic irony of this is whithout equal…

    (Hollywood Reporter)- The debut of Sarah Palin’s Alaska delivered a whopping 5 million viewers.

    The first episode of the eight-part series was the most-watched program launch in TLC’s history.

    Some are calling the series a 2012 campaign ad, while producer Mark Burnett has defended the show as “completely non political.”

    Tim Goodman’s THR review said both Palin’s fans and critics will find what they’re looking for in the show.

  87. R says of Tex, “You are the first to get in line and scream about building that safe haven for terrorists known as the 9/11 mosque … willing to toss out the religious freedoms upon which our country was built … so you can feel a bit more safe and secure.”

    R, you can do better than that. Obviously, that was never Tex’s or anyone else’s point. Sheesh. Are you really saying that we shouldn’t have any safety measures so we can demonstrate our religious tolerance towards Muslims?

  88. Tiger,

    You stole my thunder…I just saw that on Drudge and came to gig you about it. Dammit!

    And I thought I had a real knockout blow coming. You counter punched before I could throw the roundhouse.

    But I actually didn’t see that until now. Truthfully…

  89. See Tiger. My biggest complaint with the whole procedure is not the need, but the dumb asses administering the procedure.

    Try to imagine yourself surrounded by tens of Yeller Dawg types. When you tell them “hey, touch my junk I’ll sue your ass!”, Yeller Dawg Jr. runs to supervisor Mr Van Vainchin, a pompous bully and reject with a chip on his shoulder and absolutely no sense of humor. Kind of like a rogue ex-jock as cop.

    And Vainchin says, “Let’s investigate this maggot and ruin his life. Beat his ass up a little when you get out of sight boys.”

    All the time Aisha Al-Muhammad, dressed in full burka, is allowed free pass for “religious” reasons, while the Yeller Dawg is groping the flock of nuns on their way to the Vatican.

  90. Rutherford,I don’t want to put words in Tex’s mouth but I’m thinking he and I are on the same page on the body scanning thing. This isn’t a First Amendment parallel as you’ve offered. It is more like a 4th kind of thing. Clearly profiling and intelligence would prove more successful and less Big Brother intrusive than the current TSA cluster fuck. I’d think a “liberal” would agree.
    For what its worth I buy the current mutterings that this may be used as a cookie for the bipartisanship happy meal to come. Populism almost assuredly dictates some curbing of it.

  91. One question: How hot are the nuns? I need to know before I blast Dawg.

    In fairness to the Dawg Rutherford, it you weren’t about a thousand times smarter than the typical TSA jackboot, you would have made a far better example to use.

    PERVERT! 🙂

  92. Is the “take my country backwards” crowd finally tiring of that “all fear all the time” pee in the pants, flee to the hidey-hole thing?

    What did Osama spend on 9/11? A few $K. Great ROI with a lot of help…

  93. You mean like the “pee in the pants” rubes not smart enough to pour piss out of their boot that thought El Bongo Megalomanio The One and fainted as The One stood in front of Styrofoam Greek columns playing Zeus? That crowd?

    The gutless, irreligious crowd that ran to the churches during 9/11, then once they determined they were safe badmouthed Bush, the military, America, and God? That crowd?

  94. Clearly profiling and intelligence would prove more successful and less Big Brother intrusive than the current TSA cluster fuck. I’d think a “liberal” would agree.

    Correct Alfie – forgetting the privacy intrusion for a moment, I don’t even find the technique effective. What next? TSA Prostate checks after some raged radical Islamist shoves plastic explosive up his ass?

    We’re too politically correct to adopt El Al’s security measures, because somebody would call “racial profiling”. Oh, the humanity!!!!

    So we strip search 4 year old girls, nuns, and the elderly while Mahmoud walks through after taking his shoes off.

  95. Because bankruptcy is so “lean forward”…

    Someone’s been watching MSNBC 😉

    P.S. Before the day is through, there’ll be a new post and it will be at least slightly more substantial than this one.

  96. OH ,,,, in reference to G’s video post … Is it just me or is having the American flag waving behind your ass as you drive your bike/cycle just a wee bit disrespectful to Old Glory?

  97. OK, lets get a couple things clear about the TSA screening.

    1) They were developed because bombs have been developed that do not require metal components, so traditional screening procedures were not working.

    2) Terrorists have been placing the explosives, predominantly, in their groin because of the natural tendency of folks to not reach into that area.

    So how else do you find it?

    The Christmas day bomber failed by two inches. When he was attempting to inject the catalyst, he injected it into the explosive itself instead of the detonator, which cause a slower chemical reaction and a fire. Had he successfully injected it into the detonator, well, it ould have been a very different story.

    Would profiling work? Absolutely, but apparently, he Administration is more concerned with being PC than doing what makes sense. Should Muslims be pissed at being profiled? Of course, but their beef isn’t with us, its with the Muslims who keep blowing shit up…

  98. Alfie and Tex, for what it’s worth, I’m in agreement with you on the probability of real effectiveness coming from the measures that offends the libs concepts of tolerance and enlightenment. Is it true that enhanced searches at the airport don’t deter? (that’s a serious question). Transportation is of course a target for a reason. If planes did in fact fall from the sky, should the reaction be apathy rather than enhanced security measures like now? (again, a serious question).

  99. If the issue were really about safety of Americans the focus would not be on air safety.

    1) Traffic safety – eliminate all use of cell phones and the like in moving vehicles.
    2) Pass and enforce drunk/drugged driving laws modeled on Germany or the UK.
    3) Do more research on Cancer and heart attack prevention.

    …but it’s not..

  100. Because the bitch is an authority on the matter…

    Now, unless you’re using cancer as a code word for ‘Islamic Terror’ combatting terrorism with cancer research probably isn’t the solution…

  101. To all on the matter:
    I think the enhanced screenings offer little. Not everyone gets screened and absolutely not the all the best candidates do. And let me be clear that although Islamic types are a good set to look at using intelligence techniques we may very well get the Latin American coke mule,the American tourist holding a ton of kiddie porn etc. so when we throw out common sense I think we’re loosing. Also to El.T and G specifically. I think it highly unlikely that the potential terrorists are failing to keep pace with our security measures. The United States is clearly,at least on the overt scales,being reactive more than proactive. I concede “overt” is a key point here.

  102. Tiger, Gorilla, and Alfie,

    I still don’t understand why we haven’t adopted a proven model that works named El Al, other than the Left’s profound politically correct sensitivities.

    And if I’m understanding Rutherford, I give him kudos for stopping the baloney and being honest too. A perfect example of what separates Rutherford from Rambo Vainchin.

    I speak for myself personally. If we continue down this path of scaring ourselves to death, forgo our freedoms and our conveniences for a small risk of security, then it is my opinion that UBL, Al Qaeda and their merry band of ragheads has already won the war, whether we have victory in Afghanistan or not.

    If we are that concerned, put two armed guards on each flight to guard the cockpit and return security to pre 9/11. We could fund that for a fraction of the price of we are paying the gawd awful goosesteppers from the TSA to conduct their own unique form of latex gloved terrorism.

    If some ARAB wants to kill hundreds of people, then he’s perfectly capable of going to go to a mall, or a hospital, or a federal building, or a sporting event to do it.

    I suggest we begin a formal policy of terrorizing the terrorists and make real war, letting our military go unencumbered and without penalty to lay some real wood camel’s ass. And if that means dropping a daisy cutter in every fricking neighborhood until the entire Middle East screams for mercy, so be it.

  103. Alfie, I just had this discussion with one of my colleagues at lunch that follows Tex’s lead on the issue.

    I am conflicted.

    Reactive or proactive. Should we adjust our approach? I visualize the enhanced screenings being abandoned as the perfect opportunity to attack. If a plane did blow up, what should our reaction be then?

    Even if the enhanced screenings aren’t effective to deter the truly motivated/ semi-intelligent terrorist, is there no value in the placebo effect? Of course, “at what cost” is a consideration. My wife still prefers lock the door at night.

    I was sent his article:

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2010/11/terrorism_context&fsrc=nlw%7Cgul%7C11-16-2010%7Cgulliver

    My colleague believes that we should be willing to risk and absorb plane bombings. Simply put, he believes that apathy is more effective than ineffective security theatre.

    I don’t believe apathy is viable when it comes to this type of terrorism in our society. We still run from fire.

    Is there a real alternative here?

    In all seriousness, if I had to have a cavity search to board a plane, I probably say that it would be preferable to let accept the risks of planes being bombed — which I suspect would happen with ever increasing frequency.

  104. I hear ya Tex. I have two travel nightmares in my history and I’ll share one as I think it highlights how using intelligence and behavioral profiling works best.
    I was in Bermuda coming home and in case ya haven’t been, US Customs actually operate at Bermudas airport. Well the guy asked if we had anything to declare,he followed up with something along the lines of “Do you have anything now you didn’t have when you came”? I was like “What?!” So I completely forgot the books (2) and a sweater I bought. Wifie didn’t. Well it caused a couple of follow up questions and we were on our way.
    I think that is an example of how the US has some El Al aptitude.
    Hope I didn’t bore anyone.

  105. See, I’ll demonstrate real incompetence and international terrorism. Take Obama. 😛

    We send his incompetence over to the G-20 Summit, where he stands around with his thumb up his ass as those he promised to make friends throw darts at his head, while his minions start an international trade war of currency.

    And in doing so, Obama and entourage, in conjunction with the slacking socialists of the EU who are burning down their towns because they might have to pay more for their higher education, have managed to drop the aggregate wealth of the U.S. economy by about a trillion dollars since the day Obama arrived to play stupid at the summit.

    If you haven’t noted, since the G-20, the S&P 600 has dropped daily.

    And we’re worried that Bungi Al-Asshole has some dynamite shoved up his ass on a plane flying into the U.S., of which we have little control other than to divert?

    Talk about straining at the gnat and swallowing the camel…

  106. El Tigre don’t get me wrong I’m not against security I just think we’re going too far.
    On security we should be proactive. We should know who is on our planes and trains. We should be culturally aware both as to have intelligent and understanding approaches to our fellow citizens and visitors AS WELL AS understanding signs that can help us catch the bad guys.

    I don’t know if I buy that more planes are due to go. I’m bolstered in that thought when Acela, which goes through my town like 10 times a day, doesn’t go boom. Perhaps after “Unstoppable” goes to DVD.
    My point is we have weaker security on much softer targets and we’re not getting hit there. Why is that? I gotta click out and check the offered article.

  107. 83. bvilleyellowdog | November 15, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    More like the dingbat – but that’s not a new thing. Angle, ODonnell, Palin, Baughman. Good grief – is that the best the GOP-Teabaggers can come up with? The reason they hate Peloci so much is that she is effective, and smart, and gets the job done. Those GOP gurls are loud – but none of the above.
    ==========
    WHAT THE HELL!? Pelosi is a MORON who has con everyone.. She need to GO.. The bitch is worthless. She can’t even figure out the Health Care Crap..

    Her words.. not mine.. Here she is the Speaker and tells everyone to pass the thing.. without THINKING of the WASTE of time she will incur in doing so. What kind of Person does this.. A MORON who is on one agenda.. the ME syndrome!

    At least Sarah Palin makes MONEY.. with her bimboness.

  108. We don’t have LEADERS today.. we haven’t had a Leader since GWB… I’m serious.

    Now I was a fan of Clinton the first time.. He had at least balanced his budget. but these morons who were in last year.. were there because of TRUST funds and ‘who I am’..

    Here in Okie land.. we needed a change.. I hope something happens soon. I have been unemployed too LONG.. time to go back to work.. but for what?? 8/hr.. This is what most Americans are facing today.. Deflated Salaries. The country needs to bring back INDUSTRY… here we educated the finest people.. and send all the good stuff to India or China. We need to build back our manufacturing sector. STEEL. The new trend today is GREEN.. duh.. the Chinese are making all the stuff…

    These elected officals need to bring ‘foreigners’ here to do business!! Not illegals! We have a tendency of throw out food to everyone except our own.

    The way I look at it.. it’s like Downtown Tulsa.. there is opportunity; however, you have OLD oil farts who don’t want their hood to be CHANGED. It’s a catch 22. Same thing goes for Washington.. We live in two countries.. USA and then Washington DC. If you are not part of Washington.. forget about it. Working for Government is different than working for John Q. Public.. they have their own social security system.. Banks, health care, etc.. I don’t get it.. Here they are suppose to make the decision for USA yet they are not on the same page. That HAS TO CHANGE..

  109. Hey, I see Charlie Rangel was convicted on 11 of 13 corruption charges. That’s racist!

    Of course, being corruption is to libs like yellow is to the lemon, I fully expect a punishment of bling in the suit pocket and a new minority leadership in the works.

    Rutherford, there are places in Urban American dominated by liberal Dimocrats that are so corrupt, they would make Sodom blush.

  110. Hey Rutherford. I’ve been lying to myself as I’m still wasting time blogging. Can’t get the weather to cooperate this week for what I need to do. So, I’ve continued to torment. Guess growing up will have to wait another week.

    So I’ve decided you need to read this, because the tax issue is quickly becoming the question at hand.

    From one of my favorite journalists (ssssshhh – he’s black). 😉

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/11/16/deficit_reduction_107959.html

  111. Comment of the Day

    It was stupidly hopeful, juvenile in the extreme. There’s a reason that the Democratic Party counted on college students to an inordinate degree in 2008 — they required the mush-filled skulls of enthusiastic non-taxpaying pseudo-intellectuals to lead the way. ~ Ben Shapiro

    Ain’t that the truth?

  112. Hey dog, since you are so concerned about civil rights, you must be really torn up over forcing me to purchase a service I can’t afford, right?

    Where is your concern for my civil rights?

  113. Requiring you to pay for health care is no more a violation of your civil rights than requiring you to have auto insurance or to pay for a fire or police department that you hope not to need.
    Did you support the Patriot Act to begin with – with it’s wire tapping and gag orders and yes dumb airport security? Yes.
    Do you support forced sonograms of pg women wanting a legal procedure? – Yes
    Do you support going around the birthright amendment of the Constitution? Yes.
    Repeal of the Civil Rights acts? Rand Paul likes that idea. Yes.

    Get over it there is no chance that health care reform will be declared illegal – or repealed. That is just more red herrings thrown out by the regressives to keep the rabble in line while they get fleeced.

  114. Yes it is very different.

    I don’t have to drive. Driving is not a right, it is a privilege. I only need auto insurance if I want to drive.

    That isnt the case for health insurance, is it? What allows me to opt out of buying health insurance? Death?

    And you are grossly generalizing about what I support. I have said many, many times that I am not a social conservative. So…

    “Did you support the Patriot Act to begin with – with it’s wire tapping and gag orders and yes dumb airport security? Yes.”

    I did not, nor do not, support all of it outright. You are wrong.

    “Do you support forced sonograms of pg women wanting a legal procedure? – Yes”

    I am pro-choice and other than that I don’t know WTF you are talking about. But I suspect you are wrong here, too.

    “Do you support going around the birthright amendment of the Constitution? Yes.”

    No. I don’t. I support citizens being allowed to stay in the US. If their illegal parents want to take them back with them, that is their CHOICE. Or they can leave them here and they can enter the system. You are wrong.

    “Repeal of the Civil Rights acts? Rand Paul likes that idea. Yes.”

    No. I don’t support that, either.

    That’s 0 for 4. Want to go for more?

  115. “or to pay for a fire or police department that you hope not to need.”

    That stuff gets included in budgets. There isn’t a specific line on my tax forms asking me to prove I have paid taxes for those services. I pay taxes, and they get a portion.

    It isn’t the same as requiring me to purchase a service I don’t want or can’t afford.

  116. …I agree health care ought to be part of your taxes. One payer. The GOP-Teabaggers blocked that. It’s every ones business if people are sick – just like with fire prevention – no different.

    I wager if there were line items on tax forms – you know checkoffs – there would be lots of stuff that did not get funded.

    …anti missile laser systems – they have been working on that since the 1970’s – don’t work now – never will.
    more nuclear carriers – in the age of non-classical warfare
    bridges to nowhere…
    long long list

  117. Talk about red herrings….

    Those things are a part of the constitution. Congress is allowed to fund our army with taxes.

    Please point to the portion of the constitution that gives congress the right to force me to buy health insurance from a private or public entity.

    As for carriers… Do you have a problem with major shipping lanes being protected so you can put gas in your car and shop for goodies at Wal Mart? Do you have a problem with us providing air support to our ground troops fighting overseas?

  118. Yellowdog, honestly, you need to lay off the pipe. Your comments are not even connected to the discussion. In fact , most of your comments (read: cut and paste without attribution) here and at Alfie’s blog have no more substance than graffiti.

  119. Carriers and other high dollar weapons systems the military says it does not want and the military industrial complex and thier congresscritter shills keep jamming down out throats.

    As fare as health care the term “general welfare” is the Constitution. That includes food shelter and healthcare as well as fire depsartments and police. Perhaps where you live you can choose to drive or not. In OK it’s not an option.

  120. The Pipe? It’s the first bottle of Boones Farm in the morning. One of many throughout the day.

    Yeller Dawg is the most dishonest of hacks. The imbecile probably doesn’t even drive, and if he does, it’s a mile or two to the liquor store. Hopefully, he missed the neighborhood kids. Who cares that gas is $10.00 if Old Rabid Yeller gets his bennies from Nanny State?

    I took a look at his feckless blog this morning, and he’s telling people he’s a biochemistry major. He told me he had a PHD in physical chemistry several months back. The story changes from day to day. 🙄

    Guarantee the old toot doesn’t even understand the periodic table, much less mitochondria like he claimed on the Useful Idiot’s blog. And trying to connect the dots as to why energy prices are of the utmost importance? Forget that.

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