George W. Bush: Delusion Points

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I watched his interviews with NBC’s Matt Lauer and talk show goddess Oprah Winfrey. The latter interview was the more folksy. Heck he almost seemed like a standup comedian. This Bush was easier to like, even if at times you were laughing at him and not with him. The Lauer interview though, paints a different picture. Particularly when it comes to Iraq, the Bush account of things just doesn’t add up. When Lauer asks him if he thinks he missed anything that might have avoided the 9/11 attack, Bush says no, forgetting that all of us have burned into our memory the moment when Condoleezza Rice told Congress that Bush had seen a briefing with the title “Bin Laden to strike within the US”. I’m not one of those to outright blame Bush for 9/11. I do expect however, if he’s going to write a historically accurate memoir that he at least admit that the White House didn’t properly pursue the intelligence they had at their disposal. To make matters worse, Bush said that 9/11 changed his presidency in that it became his first job to protect America from another strike. He seems oblivious to the fact that that was his job in the first place. Before 9/11 it was his job to protect America.

Then there are the nonexistent WMD’s. Bush says that Saddam Hussein’s behavior was consistent with someone who was hiding WMD’s. Matt Lauer then reminds Bush that he called Hussein a “madman” and based on that, how could any reasonable conclusion be based on Hussein’s behavior alone. Bush gave a non-answer that Hussein was power-hungry. Still the point stands that a “madman” has no credibility so other forms of intelligence must be relied upon. According to Bush, the failure of those other forms of intelligence greatly troubled him but he insists that the invasion of Iraq prevented another 9/11. His strange circular, self-fulfilling logic leads me to believe Bush to be more deluded than simply a liar. However, according to David Corn and Michael Isikoff in their book “Hubris: The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War” Bush was not the least bit troubled by the failure to find WMD’s. By that time, the excuse was bought hook line and sinker by the American public and we were knee-deep in war … the mission to attack Iraq was indeed accomplished, even if victory there was uncertain.

It also makes it a bit hard to like Bush when his biggest self-admitted mistakes all involve optics. He says he should have landed in Louisiana during Katrina so it didn’t look like he didn’t care. (Kanye West’s accusation that “George Bush doesn’t care about black people” was, according to Bush, one of his low points.) He says he should never have appeared in front a “Mission Accomplished” banner when the war was far from over.  Both of these are true but when you preside over an unnecessary war and the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, these mea culpa’s hardly pass for deep introspection.

Perhaps the most alarming story to come out of “Decision Points” as told by Bush in the Lauer interview is his mother’s request that he (a very young man at the time)  take her to the hospital following a miscarriage and that he transport with her, a glass jar containing the remains of his “brother or sister”. This incident helped to inform his pro-life stance. While it is a compelling experience that would shape anyone’s view of abortion it is also …. let’s be honest … a bit creepy. You have to wonder what Barbara Bush was thinking. It’s hard not to conjecture how that event impacted him psychologically.

Bush’s book will have no impact on history. It has re-opened old wounds and resurrected old debates. History will judge Bush based on his deeds and their consequences. The story of Iraq is not yet fully written. I have always said, if democracy flourishes in the region, history will vindicate George W. Bush and he will be viewed among our more accomplished Presidents. If the more likely scenario of an immutably chaotic region persists, the Bush presidency will never rise above the level of mediocrity.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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121 thoughts on “George W. Bush: Delusion Points

  1. Rutherford, you must be the happiest man in the world tonight?

    With Bush reappearing back on scene, for the first time in 24 months, you have the opportunity to hide your glaring failures, your profoundly ignorant past statements and predictions, and your messiah’s epic downfall based either on your exaggerations, hyperbole, conveniently poor memory, and double standards. You’re back on game since you’ve proven you can’t perform. Like last week’s, “I’m not expecting the tsunami you are Tex.”

    Open minded and quoting David Corn and Michael Isikoff about anything of history and facts? How in the world would two low level lackeys know facts? Hell, they’re Journolist. That’s like quoting some high school coach who was recently fired for jiggly boys in the shower about the game plan of Super Bowl XV. 😈

    Why rehash old history when it’s already blown up in your face? Bush is already more beloved than Bongo. Bongo’s already blown the war, ruined the economy, and lost in a landslide. Two years from now, you’ll get another ass whipping assuming Repubs got the message, and you’ll be arguing about the merits of water boarding, which no one of consequence will care; MSNBC will be Comcast, and Rachel Maddow will be umpiring girls softball someplace.

  2. You’ve missed the mark, as usual. Maybe due to some post-Olby euphoria?

    “Before 9/11 it was his job to protect America.”

    Yeah and who’s job was it before his? Bill Clinton had 8 years to get Osama, and instead spent them getting blowjobs from fat-ass skanks.

    Funny how you are ignorant to the fact that Bush inherited Bin Laden from the Clinton administration. But then, that is probably because Bush didn’t cry about that fact during his entire presidency.

    “Bush says that Saddam Hussein’s behavior was consistent with someone who was hiding WMD’s.”

    That’s because it was. A history of confirmed chemical weapons use. Playing games with weapons inspectors for months and then kicking them out. Every reputable intelligence agency on the planet believed Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Saddam too great steps to see that they believed it.

    And just as with bin Laden, Bush inherited the Iraq policy from Clinton. As late as 1999 there were still higher-ups in the Clinton admin. talking about Iraq being a threat to the world. And that was after Desert Fox. Bill Clinton was who made it United States policy to seek regime change in Iraq. Of course, all Clinton did was call for it. He left it up to someone else to actually do something about it. Again, too busy dealing with his skanks and red dresses.

    If you are going to make analyses, do yourself a favor and get your facts straight first.

    “Both of these are true but when you preside over an unnecessary war and the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, these mea culpa’s hardly pass for deep introspection.”

    Barack Obama is also presiding over 2 wars and the worst financial crisis since the great depression and his big worry since last Tues is that they failed at messaging. Would you like to explain to the class why that is any different?

  3. I’ve asked you to read this and explain to me, without 20/20 hindsite, how this predicted 9/11. I’m still waiting.

    They’ve found WMD in Iraq, they just didn’t find massive stockpiles of it.

    Opinion of Bush is turning every day, largely because it is in contrast to Obama. Who knew that the ‘One’ would save George W. Bush.

  4. With Bush reappearing back on scene, for the first time in 24 months, you have the opportunity to hide your glaring failures, your profoundly ignorant past statements and predictions, and your messiah’s epic downfall based either on your exaggerations, hyperbole, conveniently poor memory, and double standards.” – Tex

    This changes how?

  5. R, I’m no fan of Bush, but your just being catty. You also misstate Bush’s comments and the scope fo the questions. Quit watching Olbermann and Maddow– the Beavis and Butthead of nighttime talk. It’s rotting that Harvard educated brain of yours.

    For example, “[Bush] gave a non-answer that Hussein was power-hungry.” Give me a break. He was explaining why, even though a madman, Hussein’s behavior was consistent with WMDs. Mad or not, he was power hungry and knew his defiance would destroy his reign, yet proceeded to lift his finger — as he did when he kicked the UN inspectors out in defiance of the resoltuions from Iraq 1. Bush answered the very question he was asked. You don’t have to like his answer, but maybe you ought to listen to it and consider it before giving it the MSNBC treatment.

    Can we go back to talking about Obama? There isn’t one peronal criticism leveled here that doesn’t doubly apply to our current president. Sheesh.

  6. I have read the August PDB over and over again and I see no actionable intelligence. Most of it is Clinton era information. A title” Bin Laden determined” is not intelligence its a conclusion we already knew. Where and when they would strike is another story. I find nothing wrong with his claim his Presidency changed after 911. Of course it did. How can this author claim otherwise? American focus changes all the time. Agenda items are prioritized and deprioritized. Doesn’t even sound like an adult wrote this article.

  7. Welcome to the blog Dennis. While a point can be made that priorities change with time, I think the American people take it for granted that defense of the nation is ALWAYS priority 1. That’s why we don’t see headlines every day gloating “100 terrorist threats averted today”. That is job number 1. What Bush should have said was that 9/11 was a terrible wake-up call that we had let our guard down.

    P.S. Nice logic on the jobs/WMD equivalence quip. You’ll find this a happy home as most of my regular commenters have already fallen in love with you. 😉

  8. “What Bush should have said was that 9/11 was a terrible wake-up call that we had let our guard down.”

    Honestly R, what is the substantive difference between that and what Bush said. Letting our guard down means preventing the attack wasn’t job 1. You’re just being silly.

    Criminy. Had Bush rather than Roosevelt been at the helm in 1941, you’d claim that his “date that will live in infamy” speech was delusional. After all, he didn’t accept blame for preventing the “sudden and deliberate” attack on Pearl Harbor.

    (“Yesterday, December 7, 1941—a date which will live in infamy—the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan.”)

    Let’s get back to that apologist Obama and what he refers to as diplomacy. How are we doing with Iran and Afghanistan?

  9. Don’t buy a book from a War Criminal. But never mind it will so be in remainders – and nearly free. It is already discounted 50%.
    Will sell about as well as Delays book. Remember that thriller? i didn’t think so.

  10. Obama already wrote his. You can probably get them for free if you’re willing to dig through the dumpster behind the student lounge.

    Did Clinton write one?

  11. Obama already wrote his. You can probably get them for free if you’re willing to dig through the dumpster behind the student lounge.

    Did Clinton write one?

    Have all the applicable statutes of limiitation expired yet?

    Tex, why do you insist on insulting girl’s softball umpires?

    I think you’re right, Rutherford. I can see where many of them wouldn’t want to be associated with Maddow either.

  12. You can always count on the Yeller Dawg to provide some great humor when he’s trying to be serious as a heart attack.

    Yeller, also known as Dummy and the 1/2 of the 1 1/2 Useful Idiot’s blog: Decision Points already has printed 1.5MM copies.

    Interesting footnote Dummy Dawg.

    Going Rogue,” which was the number-one non-fiction title of 2009, sold 2.7MM books. Blow Job Clinton’s post-presidential work “My Life” has sold some 2.2 million copies since 2004.

    Buwahahahahahaha…that must roast the ass of the Reds. Since Rutherford is a Red with a brain (a rare commodity), Rutherford only qualifies as Pinko.

  13. Tex, why do you insist on insulting girl’s softball umpires?

    I think you’re right, Rutherford. I can see where many of them wouldn’t want to be associated with Maddow either.

    Legitimate point of which I profusely apologize to every young female in America who plays the great sport of softball.

    It was careless of me to include a legitimate source of entertainment and camaraderie with the words Rachel Maddow in the same sentence.

  14. Dennis,

    Using the Obama formula for ” Jobs Saved” I have calculated that Bush Prevented 9781 WMDs.

    Excellent logic, but I think you have made serious mathematical error.

    See, it’s not jobs “saved” anymore but “people” affected by the Bongo Public Slush Stimulus Fund.

    Therefore, I would estimate that Bush saved us from at least 307,108,642 weapons of mass destruction using Hussein economics.

  15. Since I know most of you are rabid anti-multi-culturalists I thought I’d provide you with the

    Multi-culturalist moment of the day:

    My wife and I attended a webinar this morning where the speaker was talking about conducting teleconferences in virtual teams. She said, “one example of where you need listen carefully is that Indians pronounce the word “very” as “wery”.”

    At which point, I sent a wise-ass IM to my wife saying:
    “No, Indians MISPRONOUNCE very as wery. How about they learn how to speak friggin’ English?” 😈

  16. I’m sure many of you have heard by now that George Dubbya has accepted the apology of Kanye West for his “George Bush doesn’t care about black people” remark. Then again … George accepted the apology of “Conway West” so I’m not sure the forgiveness counts. 😆

  17. At which point, I sent a wise-ass IM to my wife saying:
    “No, Indians MISPRONOUNCE very as wery. How about they learn how to speak friggin’ English?”

    Did you remember to press “1” for Engrish first? Otherwise, the message may have been sent in one of the 10 default languages that we must all acknowledge as superior to the linguistis coin o’ the realm.

  18. George accepted the apology of “Conway West” so I’m not sure the forgiveness counts.

    Conway West? 😛

    No, no. That’s how Texans “pronounce” KANYEE…. 🙂

  19. Speaking of multi-culturalism…did you know houses can be multiculturalist too?

    I got a wild hair and decided our house, though well maintained and color coordinated (I think Realtors call attractive) looked too plain.

    So I decided to take our traditional looking home with red brick and bluish gray with white trim finish and spruced it up a little – like paint the front door.

    So I (wife and daughter weren’t crazy about the idea) picked out a red that I thought matched the faded red look. As I started to paint yesterday, it occurred to me about five minutes into the painting, that this color was a hell of a lot more red than I thought (it was white).

    The only way I could describe it is if you were to take the reddest red lipstick, that was about the finished color. It was so hideous, I could hear cars slowing down in the street, probably gawking and aghast and embarrassed for the neighborhood.

    Have you ever tried to paint over red lipstick? So I went and got what I thought appeared to be kind of a dusty blue to match the shutters – now the door is a combination of the American flag because this blue is bluer than the Pacific ocean and it isn’t covering worth a shit. My wife is going to cry when she gets home at Thanksgiving if I don’t get this fixed.

  20. It’s simply amazing. Whenever someone brings up George
    W. Bush, there is a stampede to change the subject to Bill Clinton. It’s hard to find anyone to defend Bush in positive terms.

    Oddly,everything that went wrong during Bush’s presidency (if anything did) is Clinton’s fault, but everything that has been wrong since November 2008 is clearly Obama’s fault.

  21. Anyone traveled since the TSA started the new groping security routine or the ionizing radiation machine.

    It’s inspired me to change my name and sign up for a flight. 😉

  22. Why is NORAD lying to us about the “aircraft” that they can’t identify? I don’ t have to be a rocket scientist to recognize that SOB flying with a correcting guidance system is no aircraft.

    It looks a hell of a lot more like an ICBM.

    Got any ideas Gorilla? Some black program you guys been hiding?

  23. It’s simply amazing. Whenever someone brings up George
    W. Bush, there is a stampede to change the subject to Bill Clinton. It’s hard to find anyone to defend Bush in positive terms.

    Not really. Its just that people have a general right to expect that their President will not commit perjury, will not fuck around on their spouse, and will not wage their fingers at the world’s malefactors without actually following through, so whenever a BDS-addled half-wit like yourself starts saying all manner of infantile shit about him, and jumping right on board to defend The Smarterestest Prezident Never™ whenever he wants to divert attention from his inability to address the issues he begged us to let take over, with full knowledge of what he was getting into, it’s fun to wind up your tails and watch you scurry around in your spittle flecked Code Pink t-shirts as you try to avoid looking in to the eyes of the 800 pound elephant.

    Oddly,everything that went wrong during Bush’s presidency (if anything did) is Clinton’s fault, but everything that has been wrong since November 2008 is clearly Obama’s fault.

    Oddly, 9/11 was something Bush was supposed to prevent, yet Clinton refused offers of OBL on silver platters more than once.
    To his credit, I never once heard W. talk down his predecessor for those failures, and yet anytime someone asks Obama about his sooper sekrit plans address the economy, he starts whining like a teenaged girl with an especially bad visit from Aunt Flo about “the mess he (knew about) and inherited from his predecessor.”

    Just because there is a turd-free punchbowl doesn’t mean you need to volunteer to fix that.

  24. Why is NORAD lying to us about the “aircraft” that they can’t identify? I don’ t have to be a rocket scientist to recognize that SOB flying with a correcting guidance system is no aircraft.

    It looks a hell of a lot more like an ICBM.

    Got any ideas Gorilla? Some black program you guys been hiding?

  25. Really? I think we’re a little better than that. I mean, launching a secret rocket during rush hour just off the coast?

    I don’t know what it was/is, but it wouldn’t be the first time that a conspiracy was born off of a poorly understood photograph.

  26. A funny…

    I saw a Muslim extremist fall off a dock into Puget Sound (body of salt water borders
    Seattle) this morning.

    Being a responsible citizen, I informed the
    county emergency services. It is now 4pm and they still haven’t responded.

    I’m starting to think I wasted a stamp.

  27. BIC,

    Liberals like Graychin Grayson hate Bush for simple reasons… George has got a sense of humor and he’s patriotic to the point of jingoism.

    If George had simply kissed Saddam’s ring, approved unlimited and federally funded embryonic stem cell research, went on national TV stating for the record, “We need to understand why they hate us…after 9/11”, called the victims Little Eichmanns, implemented sharia, admitted Mrs. Bush had a couple of abortions while shacking up and he was currently banging a couple of the White House maids, called America imperialistic and racist with a hatred of the military, sold military secrets to Russian and China, took political donations for Loral to launch satellites via China payloads, etc…etc…etc…he might have captured some of the liberal vote.

    Come on man. Don’t judge Graychin harshly. Graychin “luvs” his fellow man – still hoping for a million Mogadishus,

  28. Really? I think we’re a little better than that. I mean, launching a secret rocket during rush hour just off the coast?

    It ain’t the quality I’m doubting – it’s the truthfulness of the information being disseminated. Unless that is some trick of the camera, that ain’t no winged aircraft unless it’s got a couple of solid booster rockets attached.

  29. Oddly, 9/11 was something Bush was supposed to prevent, yet Clinton refused offers of OBL on silver platters more than once. To his credit, I never once heard W. talk down his predecessor for those failures, and yet anytime someone asks Obama about his sooper sekrit plans address the economy, he starts whining like a teenaged girl with an especially bad visit from Aunt Flo about “the mess he (knew about) and inherited from his predecessor.”

    Just because there is a turd-free punchbowl doesn’t mean you need to volunteer to fix that.” – BiW

    Hits the nail on the head.

    Hmmmm, what was unemployment during most of the Bush administration tenure? Well, what about deficit spending? What’s public opinion of the Bush administration compared to Obama?

  30. The Eric Bolling vid was interesting …. go back into the archives (hell …. just the previous article) and you’ll see I don’t go out of my way to defend Grayson.

    But one question …. since when did Curtis Sliwa become an authority on anything but vigilante justice?

  31. To his credit, I never once heard W. talk down his predecessor for those failures

    I will go on record saying this, and I regret not including it in the main article. George W. Bush has been the very definition of class when it comes to talking about other Presidents.

    That is one big difference between Bush and Cheney. Cheney is a classless thug who needs to be carted off to the nearest war crimes tribunal. Bush, in his post-Presidential demeanor has been a true patriot.

  32. If Bush were being honest, he’d tell you what he really thought of Cheney: “You want Scooter pardoned to protect yourself, you lying sack of sh*t. Now get the f*ck out of my office.” 👿

  33. Dirk, I think the “rocket” has been identified as an optical illusion resulting from a plane’s exhaust looking like it is taking a vertical path due to wind and sun.

    Either that or Sharron Angle is implementing her second amendment remedies. 😛

  34. R, the important thing in that video is that 1) the left completely ignores the fact that ideas MIGHT have had something to do with the election, and 2) that Grayson takes absolutely no responsibility for his fall. He said he was the first Dem Congressman from his district in 34 years. Well, he’ll likely be the last one too.

  35. G, I find myself in a real quandary lately. I DO feel that communication out of the White House has sucked royally over the past 2 years.

    BUT

    The Tea Party has not been saying, “we don’t understand your message and we’re throwing you out ‘cos we’re confused.” The Tea Party has been saying “we don’t agree with your message.”

    There is no doubt that liberals refuse to admit that there is an ideological debate going on in this country right now. It isn’t limited to Fox news. It is happening at dinner tables all over this country. Now I maintain some of the unpopularity of HCR, for example, stems from inadequate understanding but a good deal of it stems from a philosophical difference of opinion about the mandate. And the mandate is real. It’s not a communications error.

    So here’s the question. Do we (libs) go forward saying “ok you don’t agree with our policy but f*ck you, we’re forging ahead anyway” or do we say “you don’t understand our policy and we will keep explaining it until you do”?

    You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink … in fact he may kick you in the ass and make you fall into the lake. 🙂

  36. ” It’s hard to find anyone to defend Bush in positive terms.”

    It’s even harder when trying to limit your comment to addressing the actual talking points of the original post. You want more variety in a discussion regarding Bush, complain to Rutherford.

    “Oddly,everything that went wrong during Bush’s presidency (if anything did) is Clinton’s fault, but everything that has been wrong since November 2008 is clearly Obama’s fault.”

    Unless you talk to Obama and his supporters, who will tell you that everything wrong during Obama’s presidency is clearly Bush’s fault.

    If you don’t like that game, then stop playing it. Or you can feel free to prove a single thing I said to be wrong. That is obviously not an attractive proposition to Rutherford, as he didn’t even make the attempt.

    “That is one big difference between Bush and Cheney Obama.”

    “Do we (libs) go forward saying “ok you don’t agree with our policy but f*ck you, we’re forging ahead anyway…”

    You mean like you’ve been doing since last summer?

    ” …or do we say “you don’t understand our policy and we will keep explaining it until you do”?”

    You mean like you’ve done since last Tuesday?

    Here’s a third option—try listening to the people. Last I heard we are the sovereign in this country. And I believe we have made ourselves pretty clear regarding your agenda, wouldn’t you agree?

    “You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink.”

    Typical elitist attitude. “We know better, and you are just too stupid to realize that.”

    Like your fellow liberals, you’ve learned nothing.

  37. I have an interesting exercise for you guys. I know you all think Phil Donahue is a pussy … liberal, mealy-mouthed, etc. etc.

    Watch this vintage exchange from 1970 between Donahue and radical Jerry Rubin and tell me who you’re rooting for. This clip is wildly entertaining … and for radical liberals … Donahue is the bad guy! Seriously, opine gentlemen!

  38. And I would go by Dirk Diggler, but that would be a bit of exaggeration. I don’ t want to shortchange myself with the TSA folks.

    Can I go by Johnny Wadd? 🙂

  39. Now I maintain some of the unpopularity of HCR, for example, stems from inadequate understanding but a good deal of it stems from a philosophical difference of opinion about the mandate. And the mandate is real. It’s not a communications error.

    And it is precisely that kind of remark that makes blood shoot out of my eyes.

    What is it we don’t understand? The fact that the Left wants it does not make it Constitutional. And we understand plenty about what happens when we get government involved in things, even things that are specifically left to them. You want an example? Google “Lysander Spooner”. Read how the private sector did it much more efficiently and cheaply than the USPS. Telling us having our records stored electronically (when many medical systems already do it) and maintained by the same people who cannot keep track of laptops with classified data at secure facilities like White Sands is not reassuring to anyone who pays attention.

    And even if you could actually offer compelling evidence of a “mandate”, the fact that many of the victorious candidates ran for office and won with repeal of this obscenity as part of their platforms kinda calls the whole “mandate” claim into question, doncha think?

    So here’s the question. Do we (libs) go forward saying “ok you don’t agree with our policy but f*ck you, we’re forging ahead anyway” or do we say “you don’t understand our policy and we will keep explaining it until you do”?

    This is a false choice, since the real response of the Smarterestest Prezident Never™ has been to do both.

    You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink … in fact he may kick you in the ass and make you fall into the lake.

    Maybe the horse knows that the water you want him to drink is tainted with astronomical levels of benzene and other carcinogens and the horse would rather not be burdened with tumors and other abnormal growths that will only hamper its organs and eventually kill it.

  40. Come now R, this election- more than any other- demonstrate that you lost the argument in the arena of ideas.

    And yes R, a horse can smell brackesh water when it sees it.

  41. I have an interesting exercise for you guys. I know you all think Phil Donahue is a pussy … liberal, mealy-mouthed, etc. etc.

    And the clip didn’t change that.

    Watch this vintage exchange from 1970 between Donahue and radical Jerry Rubin and tell me who you’re rooting for. This clip is wildly entertaining … and for radical liberals … Donahue is the bad guy! Seriously, opine gentlemen!

    Wildly entertaining? I suppose that I should have expected that from someone who thinks that MSNBC is both entertaining and truthful.

    I do give Ol’ Phil props for maintaining his cool with someone who was asked for an interview and instead treated it like it was a soapbox. Interviewers have audiences not because they let guests say whatever the hell they want to, but because they ask questions and the answers elicit other questions in the mind of the reader/listener/viewer, and the interviewer will ask those questions.

    It was hardly interesting, and aside from being annoyed with Rubin’s juvenile behavior and general assholishness, I found myself thinking not only is demonstrating why punching a hippie is more productive than listening to them, but I would pay real money to turn firehose on him, shave his head, and slip horsehair into his rolling papers.

    I think a better example of the way to interview this piece of human filth is demonstrated in this clip:

    The interviewer never once lost control of his interview, he pointed out where the guest’s philosophy rang hollow, and shed some light on the guest’s character that should be taken into consideration when considering his message.

  42. Gorilla, what was the obvious flame shooting out the back? I’m not familiar with commercial planes on afterburner. This is someone’s opinion; not fact.

    If I’m mistaken, I’ll happily admit it as I’m not really concerned, nor I think it a big deal. But everything I’ve seen sure didn’ t appear the path of a commercial flight. How many times have you taken off or climbed at a 45 degree angle on a flight? Trust me, you haven’t.

    The average rate of ascent on a commercial flight is between 12-17 degrees and that flight path was significantly steeper than that.

    Now I suppose it is possible that the camera lends to a misleading angle, and I suppose it could have been a reflection, but I’m going to need something or somebody besides a blogger to confirm that. Besides, from what I’ve seen in both video and pictures shows a dusty colored contrail at a relatively low elevation. Commercial airlines leave a white contrail, and then only at much higher altitudes.

    I’m not buy it.

  43. Flame? Likely sun reflection.

    And your angle of flight has a whole lot of variables. They’re assuming location. You don’t know altitude, vector, speed, etc.

    Contrails, while white, also reflect light. So the trail was likely reflecting the atmospheric conditions.

    Who launches a missile off the coast of California and then doesn’t admit it. Likewise, who does without being detected by ANYONE.

    We agree on this, I’m not buying it.

  44. G, that WSJ op ed hits it dead on. Good find. Of course the left would call southern red states ignorant while they cling to the models held by the coastal blue states and Michigan on the verge of collapse as progressive models worthy of emulation. WWOD?

  45. Tex, I think the angle of contrail is explained when by the angle of an object coming towards CA rather than away. Or it might be Obama’s escape pod sending him back to the Motherland.

  46. I flew recently. At Tulsa security, I started to take the coins out of my pocket and put iitloose into the little bin, then decided to put it in my shoe instead. But after I took my shoes off I forgot about the change in the hurry to take my computer out of its bag and put it in its own bin etc etc.

    I got the full body scan and then was told to put my feet on the foot prints. (“Spread ’em!!”) After about 30 seconds the big burly TSA guy appeared in front of me wearing his rubber gloves. “Sir, do you have anything in your right pants pocket?” I reached into the pocket and pulled out the coins. “Oh shit….” Then the guy proceeds to tell me that he needs to search that area of my upper right leg, and where he’s going to put his hands. I interrupted him and said “No problem – do what you gotta do.”

    He “patted me down” very professionally, but thoroughly. I guess that the long-winded explanation was necessary because some people can be really homophobic about being groped down there, but for me hearing about it was worse than the experience.

    TSA – keeping coins out of gray-bearded Anglo-looking guys’ pockets since 2001! 😀

    (I joke, but after almost ten years airport security finally seems to be getting more real. Back in 2002 they actually asked me if they could pull me out for a “random” search because I seemed like I wouldn’t mind…)

  47. Expensive hobby…who knows, maybe this dude was bouncing around in the waves off California Tuesday afternoon. 🙂

  48. Escap pod, Tex. It’s the escape pod (with Pelosi on Obama’s lap like the hairless cat in the Austin Powers move).

    Jim Rubin n/k/a Greychin. Good one R.

  49. I find it interesting that WSJ’s Henninger conveniently leaves out of his history lesson one of the biggest, baddest business busting Presidents we ever had …. Theodore Roosevelt, a — wait for it — Republican. 🙂

  50. I never had Tex pegged for a conspiracy nut. Learn something new every day.

    Tex, I actually think that contrail was left by the rocket returning the moonmen to their home. Oops! That was an episode of Bullwinkle I watched with my kid last week. Sorry. 😳

  51. OK Gorilla, I finally followed up on your link … and damn you made me work for it … couldn’t you have just linked directly to the PDB?

    In any case …. clearly the PDB gave no immediately actionable evidence to pursue. But it just as clearly belies the notion that we suffered some kind of “surprise attack” that no one could have anticipated.

    After reading the PDB, one must ask at the very least, were all flight schools in the US put on alert for suspicious students and if not, why not? What measures were taken as a result of the PDB?

  52. On a side note, does anyone know what has become of the blogger I refer to as “Dick, the Homicidal Clown”? His domain at bigdicksplace has expired and I can’t find the blog.

    Did he retire from blogging? BiW you’re buddies with him … any ideas?

  53. I never had Tex pegged for a conspiracy nut. Learn something new every day.

    Just the other day he was noting how many of the close elections seem to be coming out in Democrats’ favor, and that statistically it HAD to be because we have the fix in on all the state election boards. Not a conspiracy nut? DEFINITELY a conspiracy nut!

    LOL … with no insult intended, I did wonder for a moment if Graychin was a Jerry Rubin like dude back in the 60′s and early 70′s. Care to comment Gray?

    In the late 60s and early 70’s I was working for a ridiculously conservative national CPA firm with a break for some time in the army, including 11 months in Vietnam. So no, I wasn’t a Jerry Rubin-like dude. But then who WAS like Jerry Rubin? He was always more about show business than politics, and even 40 years later he still makes a convenient stereotype to hate and ridicule for everyone who hasn’t gotten past fighting the battles of the 1960s.

  54. LOL Gray for that matter I think Jerry went completely establishment once he “grew up”. 🙂

    I don’t know if anyone else here will bury the political hatchet long enough to say it, but Happy Veteran’s Day dude.

  55. Conspiracy nut? 😛

    I didn’t say we were being attacked. I didn’t say much of anything besides I’m not buying that is the contrail of an airplane or an optical illusion. It took them 24 hours to confirm a flight?

    Since Gorilla is my pal and a Vet who deserves my admiration, on Veteran’s Day, I’m not going to annoy him.

    ———-

    Now to the insufferable Graychin who probably went AWOL during his service peeling potatoes in the kitchen for the troops.

    My conspiracy is this. Graychin “Benedict” Grayson is a known liar and fool, who runs with the biggest of fools and liars named Yeller Dawg. Graychin understands absolutely zero about statistics as we’ve proven here a million times before. The statistical odds of Dims, who have a proven track record of cheating, Digging up the vote and stuffing ballot boxes, winning one close election after another are zero. ACORN personified.

    So common sense, not conspiracy theories, tell me the state office holders appointed by Leftists like Soros are controlling the count, when they are not disenfranchising the military. 😉

    And Rutherford, you should note. You’re the only one here who actually believes Graychin Grayson on much of anything.

  56. Then the guy proceeds to tell me that he needs to search that area of my upper right leg, and where he’s going to put his hands. I interrupted him and said, “No problem – do what you gotta do.” “you’re giving me an erection you hunk.”

    He “patted me down” very professionally, but thoroughly as I rubbed his buttocks. I guess that the long-winded explanation was necessary because some people can be really homophobic about being groped down there, but I really, really enjoyed the experience. ~ Graychin

    Graychin, have I ever expressed that from about the second day of meeting you, I’ve found you not only a blowhard, pain in the ass, and imbecile, but…

    An utter flake? You’re one of the strangest people I’ve ever conducted ‘conversation’ with on the net. Some of your personal stories read like they are out of the male version of an Erica Jong novel.

  57. Did he retire from blogging? BiW you’re buddies with him … any ideas?

    He’s really busy with his business right now, and didn’t want to deal with the hassle of daily posting. He’s a regular at the H2, and still reads at my place, even if he rarely comments.

    I’ll tell him you were concerned. 😉

  58. Since he doesn’t often toot his own horn, I’d like to point all of you to BiW’s Veteran’s Day piece. Very well done.

    I appreciate the sentiment, but I can’t accept the kudos. Not for that post.

    Instead, I want to thank everyone who served. Even you, Greychin.

    R, I’ll answer your question tomorrow. It isn’t really a discussion for today.

  59. R, how in the world did you wind up posting that Jerry Rubin video? Just cruising Youtube for old Donahue clips looking for ideas, weren’t you? 🙂

  60. Well I hate to remind you Tex but your worst case scenario of Gray peeling potatoes for the troops still makes him far braver than you or I. After all, it wasn’t a kitchen in Beverly Hills.

  61. Actually Tigre, the explanation will probably get me razzed. Oprah had a bunch of veteran morning talk show hosts on as part of her final season extravaganza. I didn’t watch the whole thing yet but I did watch the part with Phil, and it got me nostalgic.

    I’ve seen the Jerry Rubin clip before and I’ve always loved it … watching ole Jerry give Phil a hard time. For folks who enjoy talk shows, it was classic TV even if it did bore some of you. Also on Oprah were Geraldo, Sally Jessy-Rafael, Montel Williams and Ricki Lake.

    The other clip I could not find, to my great surprise was one of Madalyn Murray O’Hair on Phil’s show. She’s a hoot. 😉

    P.S. One of my odder traits is I’ve always loved talk shows. When I was a kid I used to watch Merv Griffin and my Dad would give me that “something really wrong with that kid” look. Another vintage memory from not too long ago was Tom Snyder’s CNBC talk show where he’d invite his viewers to “fire up a Colortini and watch the pictures as they fly through the air.” GREAT STUFF.

  62. “Well I hate to remind you Tex but your worst case scenario of Gray peeling potatoes for the troops still makes him far braver than you or I. After all, it wasn’t a kitchen in Beverly Hills.”

    How about your remember this line of thinking the next time you are tempted to take a shit on Bush for his military history?

  63. Well I hate to remind you Tex but your worst case scenario of Gray peeling potatoes for the troops still makes him far braver than you or I.

    You think serving in the military is the only form of bravery Rutherford, or are you really that stupid?

    Simply serving isn’t honor – that’s a job and G.I. Bill. That’s why Mr. Pragmatic went to ‘Nam. Watch Full Metal Jacket – Graychin is Rafterman. It’s a wonder his platoon didn’t frag his ass. Who knows? Maybe they did and that’s why he bailed after 11 months. Graychin wouldn’t survive the dynamic volunteer military we have today.

    And thank you Huck for reminding the duplicitous Rutherford of that fact Bush not only served, but served at high position. They don’t put fuck ups like Rutherford in the pilot’s seat.

  64. The other clip I could not find, to my great surprise was one of Madalyn Murray O’Hair on Phil’s show. She’s a hoot.

    Yep, she’s such a hoot, she ended up dismembered in an acid vat. A fitting end for a militant atheistic lib, don’t you think Rutherford? 😉

    Watching Oprah… Bet you had The View on too. What a pussy…frickin’ eunuch.

  65. Simply serving isn’t honor – that’s a job and G.I. Bill.

    I have to disagree here. When you take the oath and you put on the uniform, you subject yourself to to the potential that you may be told that your life is forfeit. Anyone who accepts that without shirking or bailing shows a bit more in the intestinal fortitutde dept than the average person.

  66. I have to disagree here. When you take the oath and you put on the uniform, you subject yourself to to the potential that you may be told that your life is forfeit. Anyone who accepts that without shirking or bailing shows a bit more in the intestinal fortitutde dept than the average person.

    Really? I find that the right’s political correct horseshit line, and it’s almost as gut wrenching as the left’s line of horseshit.

    Putting on a uniform no more makes you heroic than sitting behind the wheel makes you Jimmy Johnson. Cops, fireman, rescue all wear uniforms and put their life in forfeit too. I can show you plenty of them that are scumbags.

    Simply joining the military doesn’t make you honorable.

    You’re honorable when you serve with honor, and I don’t find one damn thing honorable about Graychin.

  67. I haven’t had anyone rag on me about my time in the army this bad since 1971. Tex, I don’t think you’ve quite caught the spirit of Veterans Day.

    I don’t talk about Vietnam much because it’s not the happiest of my memories. But I never peeled a potato after basic training, and the higher ups in my unit (5th SFG) thought enough of what I did to put me in for two Bronze Stars. Not one, two. I was already discharged when I got the notification so it was too late to do something to get the plug pulled on it besides telling them I had no intention of showing up at a ceremony to have the damn things pinned on me. So they came in the mail.

    What pissed me off was the unfairness of it all. Then as now, that same medal is given to people who came home in a bag. Only two, maybe three other people know about those creepy medals – my parents, and I can’t remember if I ever told my wife about them or not. They are in a box in the basement somewhere.

    Every Veterans Day I watch the very same people who didn’t serve because of other priorities or family connections praise veterans to the skies and pretend to give a shit about them while out in public. Then in the back room they shortchange them on their healthcare and benefits while thinking of new hellholes to send them to and singing “bomb bomb Iran.”

    Joining the military doesn’t make you brave? Let’s see which chicken hawk is brave enough to drop that pearl of wisdom at a veterans gathering.

    Tex, you are lower than a snake’s belly. You really are.

  68. I suppose that some of those guys who have come home in bags were scumbags. But they came home in bags so that Dick Cheney, GW Bush, and Tex Taylor wouldn’t have to.

    Tex, keep that in mind this Veterans Day evening as you sit on your butt watching Faux News talking about how liberals hate America.

  69. How about your remember this line of thinking the next time you are tempted to take a shit on Bush for his military history?

    Well Huck, if I make any wisecracks at all, they tend to revolve around Dick Cheney’s lack of service. I know there’s controversy regarding George’s national guard service but I really don’t recall my jumping on that bandwagon.

  70. I find it interesting that WSJ’s Henninger conveniently leaves out of his history lesson one of the biggest, baddest business busting Presidents we ever had …. Theodore Roosevelt, a — wait for it — RepublicanProgressive.”

    Fixed it for you.

    In any case …. clearly the PDB gave no immediately actionable evidence to pursue. But it just as clearly belies the notion that we suffered some kind of “surprise attack” that no one could have anticipated.

    After reading the PDB, one must ask at the very least, were all flight schools in the US put on alert for suspicious students and if not, why not? What measures were taken as a result of the PDB?” – R

    OK R, I’m not going to fully recount everything for you because frankly, I’d just quote the 9/11 Report. However, let me lay out a couple bullet points for you to consider.

    ~~ There was a lack of imagination on the part of the intelligence community. Islamic terrorism, prior to 9/11, on aircraft was hijacking. That’s the problem with trends, they blind you to outside thinking.

    ~~ Jamie Gorelick, the #2 at the Clinton DOJ, established a policy above and beyond legal requirements that prohibited law enforcement from talking to the intelligence community. The FBI had information that, had it been available to the intelligence community, would have likely set off all kinds of alarms. Her wall, was centered on political correctness by the way. Who says PC doesn’t kill…

    Read the 9/11 report.

  71. I don’t begrudge anyone who has ever put on the uniform, whether they’ve been at the pointy end of things or not. It takes something special to put on the uniform. Period.

    I wish all Vets a happy Veterans Day. May the memories, both good and bad, be pure.

  72. Jamie Gorelick, the #2 at the Clinton DOJ, established a policy …that prohibited law enforcement from talking to the intelligence community.

    All I can say is that is pretty f*cked up. You mention political correctness. I don’t get it. Why on Earth would such a restriction ever be put in place?

  73. G, you want me to explain to you the remarks of a man who talked about “Hymie-town” and wanted to cut Obama’s nuts off? Jesse talks before he thinks. Hard to believe but I think even Sharpton is more careful with his language lately than Jackson is.

    Funny though …. I didn’t know Soledad was black. I just assumed she was Hispanic. Go figure. 🙂

  74. Black, Hispanic, Irish? (O’Brien?)

    Who says she can’t be all of the above?

    Someone stupid, that’s who.

    And who pays attention to the stupid person?

    Someone even more stupid.

  75. It’s appropriate that we have Jesse Jackson and Jerry Rubin brought up in the same thread. Some dim bulbs like to equate all liberals of my era with Jerry Rubin, and make all black people responsible for the stupid things that Jesse Jackson says.

    The problem, you see, is judging people by categories rather than as individuals. It results in absurdity like expecting Rutherford to explain Jesse Jackson’s stupidity when the two have virtually nothing in common.

    Therefore, the award for dumbest comment of Veterans Day goes to…..

    The Ape!

  76. Chin, go fuck yourself.

    I’ve been told I can’t possibly understand fully black people, and I’ve been told that by R. So expecting him to explain one of the leaders of the black community and the fight for “equal rights” isn’t too much.

    Fuck you.

  77. I revisited this post after coming across a FP piece by Walt. Same title. Coincidence? I’d offer up the FP counter article but that would rob me of a potential post.

  78. Graychin, you’re so full of shit.

    I don’t talk about Vietnam much because it’s not the happiest of my memories. But I never peeled a potato after basic training, and the higher ups in my unit (5th SFG) thought enough of what I did to put me in for two Bronze Stars. Not one, two. I was already discharged when I got the notification so it was too late to do something to get the plug pulled on it besides telling them I had no intention of showing up at a ceremony to have the damn things pinned on me. So they came in the mail.

    Like John Kerry’s Purple Hearts…Meaningless, as you’re one of the biggest cowards I know. And to prove putting on a uniform doesn’t make one great or tough, I make this offer.

    You bring your pal Yeller Dawg and I’ll meet you at a mutually convenient place all by my lonesome to allow you the chance to prove to me putting on a uniform makes you tough and brave. You get your opportunity to shut my mouth.

    What do you say tough guy?

  79. Come on Alfie, it wasn’t an origional thought. MSLSD has been running with this on all of their prime time shows for days now.

    Apparently, Madcow is the research arm for the Rutherford Lawson blog…

  80. I’ll be the first to say it happens on both sides of the aisle but it is big crazy how certain talking points either consciously or sub-consciously enter our psyches.

  81. As for Walt, FP’s bio of him at the bottom of the article says enough:

    Stephen M. Walt, the Robert and Renée Belfer professor of international affairs at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government and a contributing editor at Foreign Policy, is the author of Taming American Power: The Global Response to U.S. Primacy and, with coauthor J.J. Mearsheimer, The Israel Lobby. He blogs at http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/.

    Taming American Power? The Israel Lobby? Harvard? All sound leftist, anti-American premises…

  82. Something occurred to me reading blowhard Graychin’s posts throughout this thread. He’s the Obama of the internet – absolute malignant narcissist.

    I’ve never read a bigger rectum gazer than old Graychin. This man literally squats over the mirror. He probably built a house of mirrors. Power broker business man, genius, war hero (cough cough), self-made millionaire, world’s cutest grand kids. He’s got it ALL!

    Damn Graychin, we are so honored to have your outstanding presence. I never realized you were so damn good.

    Let me guess? Fabulous athlete and lady’s man too? Just an all around outstanding, immortal human being. 🙄

  83. Vanity wasn’t it? That’s gonna look real good on his grave stone in Arlington: Here lies Graychin Rambo, winner of the Congressional Medal of Honor and two Bronze Stars in his basement, survivor of countless incursions behind enemy lines. Killed for vanity in Jerkwater Eucha, USA.

  84. As for the FP article (which did one helluva bigger analysis than I did …. I’m too damn tired to read the whole thing, maybe tomorrow) but let’s face it “Delusion Points” is not exactly genius. Anyone wanting to criticize Bush would see Decision Points and change it to “Delusion”. I would suspect there are countless articles on the net with that title … it’s like shooting fish in a barrel, just too easy.

    More tomorrow.

  85. Have any of you read Woodward’s STATE OF DENIAL.. I haven’t read Bush’s new book yet.. just pieces of it. I am no Bush fan either.. I voted for him the first time but not the second. I couldn’t vote for GORE either.

    I do admire him though.. I think he did what was necessary. The Weapon of mass destruction was SADDAM. duh.. he murdered thousands and was an environmental terrorist. If someone didn’t stop him.. he would of gone into Europe.. and then some.

    As for Bin.. he is dead! Why the hell are we in Afghanistan? Lithium? Poppy?

    Bush’s book gives the GOP an UP.. and he knows it. I loved how the media was dangling the carrot in front of him.. so he can BASH the OBAMA. Does he? NO. Obama can BASH himself these days..

    Just wait until January comes around.. or later when folks see that this QE isn’t doing it’s job. But wait, maybe it has.. Obama WILL KILL our currency.. socialism is in the air. People LOOK at GREECE.. Socialism doesn’t work! Ireland is next, then Spain, etc. The Chinese will have it all with India second.

  86. LOL well that is certainly a new twist … Saddam Hussein was the weapon of mass destruction. That’s too much!

    Sorry SayW, Saddam was no Hitler. He poked his nose into Kuwait and we appropriately slapped him. End of story. Bush 43 got his wars wrong. The fight was in Afghanistan. Now, we’re in Afghanistan and the fight is no longer there.

    A huge unmitigated mess!

  87. I didn’t say he was Hitler.. I said he was a Weapon of Mass Destruction.. What is a weapon of Mass destruction? .. someting that will kill off not just ‘the stuff’ in his hood but the stuff everywhere..

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,709180,00.html

    http://fdd.typepad.com/fdd/2006/01/alert_saddams_c.html

    Just think if GWB didn’t invade Iraq.. where would the world be today.. hmmm. Those marshes were DEAD.. plus the thousands of people who are buried under those levies.. would be unnoticed. Saddam Hussein was worst than Hitler IMO.

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