Be Careful What You Ask For

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Contrary to what my conservative readers might believe, I don’t often read Daily Kos. Today however a great article caught my eye. It’s a “response to a teabagger” and it spells out the nightmare scenario that would result from the “minimal government intervention” approach of the Tea Party Movement.

Normally I write my own stuff on the blog but this response from Daily Kos diarist Jeff Seemann is just so on target that I’m lifting his verbiage wholesale (with his permission). The best part comes at the very beginning. When taxes get abolished, what do you think will be the first thing that will happen? Your employer will reduce your salary to what it used to be NET. That had never occurred to me and when I read it, I laughed out loud.

Think about this scenario before you vote for your Tea Party candidates on Tuesday!

Let’s say that you’re a Teabagger and you want to get rid of taxes. I tell you it’s not possible, but you don’t listen to me. That’s cool.

So you win. Taxes are gone. No taxes in the USA. You win. The federal government and all the evils that go with it are gone forever.

Now let’s finish your scenario out, OK? Humor me.

You might think that with no taxes, you’ll make more money, right?

Wrong.

Let’s say that you make 40,000 dollars a year now. But your take home pay is only 30,000 dollars. Your employer knows that he doesn’t have to pay the federal government those nasty taxes anymore, but he also knows that you’ve been willing to come to work every day for a 30,000 dollar take-home amount. Guess who’s getting a pay decrease down to 30k a year? You are. The taxes are gone, did you really think that your employer wouldn’t choose to benefit from that first?

So now you make the same amount as before, but there’s no money going to social security anymore. The same amount of money you lived on before now has to get you beyond retirement.

Your 401k is gone too. The company that manages it has wiped the accounts dry. Who’s going to stop them from doing that now that the federal regulators have all been fired?

Perhaps you’d better start saving 10 percent of your paycheck for future retirement plans? Whoops, can’t do that. The FDIC doesn’t exist, so the banks have all been cleaned out. So have the accounts you used to have money in. Your consumer protections are gone, and the person nearest to the vault with a key is now racing towards Bermuda with sacks of your money.

We didn’t really want all those nasty regulations on the banks anyway, did we?

OK, so you can handle this. You don’t need help. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps, right?

You’ll be OK, I’m sure of it. But your kids are hungry, so you’d better go to the store to get groceries. Be careful with the meat and the produce departments, though. Sometime last month, the farmer realized that his farm subsidies were gone and he’s gotta cut corners to survive, not to mention raising his prices. In the cutting of the corners, he stopped feeding his cattle clean food. Now those cows are all sick and their meat is packaged up nice for you to buy and feed to your kids.

There’s no FDA and no USDA to monitor the food your farmer provides to the grocery store, so you’re on your own.

Oh and by the way, the ground beef that will be in your digestive system soon just cost you double what it used to, if you’re lucky. Price controls have been dissolved altogether.

When your family gets sick from that tainted meat, you’ll have to rush them to the hospital. Pray that their illness has already been given a cure, because the Centers For Disease Control no longer can help your local hospital identify any viruses.

Also, don’t drink the water in your neighborhood anymore. The Environmental Protection Agency, as it turns out, was actually protecting the environment. You didn’t think Monsanto was going to stop chemical dumping in the streams and lakes of America on their own, did you?

On your way home from the hospital, drive slowly. The traffic lights no longer work because they were part of the local government control and there’s no more tax money left to operate the lights. This alone caused a lot of accidents, and most of the wreckage is left behind for you to drive around if you can. Ever noticed the people that sweep up the broken glass after even the most minor fender-benders? Guess what paid their salaries?

When you get home, pray it’s still there. Without police, what do you think the odds are that people just left it alone? Unless you left your husband/wife behind with a big gun 24/7, somebody’s coming in to take your stuff. And if they have a bigger gun, you just lost your husband and his 30k a year too.

Hopefully that house doesn’t catch fire too. No fire department. And even if there were friends willing to help put out the fire, where do you think they’re going to get the water to douse the flames? Those fire hydrants were not placed there by divine intervention.

Hopefully you prepared for all this by stockpiling on guns and assorted weaponry. Not like it’ll matter. There’s armies from about 2 dozen countries that either are ready to invade or already have. Who’s gonna stop them? Jimbo and his homemade militia? I’m sure the people in your neighborhood can fill in for the boys that used to be in our military, because you know….wolverines! I loved that film too. But let’s be honest….the Cubans and Russians were going to kick our ass, no matter how many high school football players Patrick Swayze can recruit.

Even if the world community takes pity on us and defends us from invading armies, it won’t take long for the airports to become havens of hysteria. Weapons on airplanes are easy as pie. The TSA that performs security checks at the gate…who do you think paid their salaries? They’re part of that massive government waste you’re so happy to be rid of. Maybe the federal marshalls on every plane will protect you….oh, wait. Never mind.

Aside from the easy pickings that terrorism will find in the skies, you won’t be safe on the ground either. Timothy McVeigh is about to be a happy memory compared to the chemical detonations that are possible now. The regulatory committees that monitored the sale and purchase of toxic materials are gone daddy gone.

So between the tainted meat, your pay cut, your 401k being wiped out, the hospitals being overrun by people who ate the same tainted meat, your house being an easy target, the threat of terrorism at all-time highs, and having to fight for your own survival on a hourly basis….don’t you think that maybe it’s better that you just shut up and pay your damn taxes?

Or are you willing to risk all that just because you once heard about a guy who was lazy and took 300 bucks a month in unemployment? – My response to a teabagger on Facebook by Jeff Seemann

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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375 thoughts on “Be Careful What You Ask For

  1. DR, hits it on the head.

    Taxed Enough Already does not equal o Taxes At All.

    The Tea Party movement is about not raising taxes, limiting government and reducing government spending.

    This was the biggest wast of time ever as 99% of it is Red Herring.

    I’m glad you copied and pasted it for your time in writing such drivel would truly be wasted…

  2. And this is what passes for “excellent” in progressive circles? 😆 The first hint was of course, “TEABAGGER…”

    A lib’s wet dream. And I got news for you sport. The only thing keeping you from having your front door kicked in at this minute isn’t the police.

    It’s the fear that behind that door lies a 20 gauge shotgun pointed at the perpetrators head. Be thankful for the 2nd Amendment.

    It’s a wonder that my grandparents ever raised a family without the help of men like Broke Obama…that they didn’t die of tainted meat, had food without farm subsidies, were able to own stocks, made it without food stamps, and somehow handed down to their descendants a measure of worth that government didn’t get them.

    I knew at some time desperation had to set in. You finally made in Rutherford. Welcome to the calm before the storm. And if I were you, I’d start thinking about higher ground.

  3. R…priceless! Recently there was a house fire in my neigborhood and the County sent six trucks, plus the volunteer fire dept. responded. For one house? Um..that one house was on the edge of a 20 acre wooded ravine, which if it had caught fire would have threatened hundreds of people and dozens of homes. But I guess I only want to pay enough taxes to fund one guy with a garden hose. Limit government! Reduce government spending! THAT is the red herring. It’s the logical conclusion of the Tea Party ideology. Hope you all have a lot of garden hoses.

  4. Fake, I believe that last statement epitomizes how disingenuous or possibly how uninformed libs really are. What federal taxes paid for those fire fighters that saved your little world?

    Like I said. Amazing our grandparents made it without you guys.

    Here are your federal tax dollars at work:

    Medicare Fraud: A $60 Billion Crime
    # The federal government made at least $72 billion in improper payments in 2008.[1]
    # Washington spends $92 billion on corporate welfare (excluding TARP) versus $71 billion on homeland security.[2]
    # Washington spends $25 billion annually maintaining unused or vacant federal properties.[3]
    # Government auditors spent the past five years examining all federal programs and found that 22 percent of them–costing taxpayers a total of $123 billion annually–fail to show any positive impact on the populations they serve.[4]
    # The Congressional Budget Office published a “Budget Options” series identifying more than $100 billion in potential spending cuts.[5]
    # Examples from multiple Government Accountability Office (GAO) reports of wasteful duplication include 342 economic development programs; 130 programs serving the disabled; 130 programs serving at-risk youth; 90 early childhood development programs; 75 programs funding international education, cultural, and training exchange activities; and 72 safe water programs.[6]
    # Washington will spend $2.6 million training Chinese prostitutes to drink more responsibly on the job.[7]
    # A GAO audit classified nearly half of all purchases on government credit cards as improper, fraudulent, or embezzled. Examples of taxpayer-funded purchases include gambling, mortgage payments, liquor, lingerie, iPods, Xboxes, jewelry, Internet dating services, and Hawaiian vacations. In one extraordinary example, the Postal Service spent $13,500 on one dinner at a Ruth’s Chris Steakhouse, including “over 200 appetizers and over $3,000 of alcohol, including more than 40 bottles of wine costing more than $50 each and brand-name liquor such as Courvoisier, Belvedere and Johnny Walker Gold.” The 81 guests consumed an average of $167 worth of food and drink apiece.[8]
    # Federal agencies are delinquent on nearly 20 percent of employee travel charge cards, costing taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars annually.[9]
    # The Securities and Exchange Commission spent $3.9 million rearranging desks and offices at its Washington, D.C., headquarters.[10]
    # The Pentagon recently spent $998,798 shipping two 19-cent washers from South Carolina to Texas and $293,451 sending an 89-cent washer from South Carolina to Florida.[11]
    # Over half of all farm subsidies go to commercial farms, which report average household incomes of $200,000.[12]
    # Health care fraud is estimated to cost taxpayers more than $60 billion annually.[13]
    # A GAO audit found that 95 Pentagon weapons systems suffered from a combined $295 billion in cost overruns.[14]
    # The refusal of many federal employees to fly coach costs taxpayers $146 million annually in flight upgrades.[15]
    # Washington will spend $126 million in 2009 to enhance the Kennedy family legacy in Massachusetts. Additionally, Senator John Kerry (D-MA) diverted $20 million from the 2010 defense budget to subsidize a new Edward M. Kennedy Institute.[16]
    # Federal investigators have launched more than 20 criminal fraud investigations related to the TARP financial bailout.[17]
    # Despite trillion-dollar deficits, last year’s 10,160 earmarks included $200,000 for a tattoo removal program in Mission Hills, California; $190,000 for the Buffalo Bill Historical Center in Cody, Wyoming; and $75,000 for the Totally Teen Zone in Albany, Georgia.[18]
    # The federal government owns more than 50,000 vacant homes.[19]
    # The Federal Communications Commission spent $350,000 to sponsor NASCAR driver David Gilliland.[20]
    # Members of Congress have spent hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars supplying their offices with popcorn machines, plasma televisions, DVD equipment, ionic air fresheners, camcorders, and signature machines–plus $24,730 leasing a Lexus, $1,434 on a digital camera, and $84,000 on personalized calendars.[21]
    # More than $13 billion in Iraq aid has been classified as wasted or stolen. Another $7.8 billion cannot be accounted for.[22]
    # Fraud related to Hurricane Katrina spending is estimated to top $2 billion. In addition, debit cards provided to hurricane victims were used to pay for Caribbean vacations, NFL tickets, Dom Perignon champagne, “Girls Gone Wild” videos, and at least one sex change operation.[23]
    # Auditors discovered that 900,000 of the 2.5 million recipients of emergency Katrina assistance provided false names, addresses, or Social Security numbers or submitted multiple applications.[24]
    # Congress recently gave Alaska Airlines $500,000 to paint a Chinook salmon on a Boeing 737.[25]
    # The Transportation Department will subsidize up to $2,000 per flight for direct flights between Washington, D.C., and the small hometown of Congressman Hal Rogers (R-KY)–but only on Monday mornings and Friday evenings, when lawmakers, staff, and lobbyists usually fly. Rogers is a member of the Appropriations Committee, which writes the Transportation Department’s budget.[26]
    # Washington has spent $3 billion re-sanding beaches–even as this new sand washes back into the ocean.[27]
    # A Department of Agriculture report concedes that much of the $2.5 billion in “stimulus” funding for broadband Internet will be wasted.[28]
    # The Defense Department wasted $100 million on unused flight tickets and never bothered to collect refunds even though the tickets were refundable.[29]
    # Washington spends $60,000 per hour shooting Air Force One photo-ops in front of national landmarks.[30]
    # Over one recent 18-month period, Air Force and Navy personnel used government-funded credit cards to charge at least $102,400 on admission to entertainment events, $48,250 on gambling, $69,300 on cruises, and $73,950 on exotic dance clubs and prostitutes.[31]
    # Members of Congress are set to pay themselves $90 million to increase their franked mailings for the 2010 election year.[32]
    # Congress has ignored efficiency recommendations from the Department of Health and Human Services that would save $9 billion annually.[33]
    # Taxpayers are funding paintings of high-ranking government officials at a cost of up to $50,000 apiece.[34]
    # The state of Washington sent $1 food stamp checks to 250,000 households in order to raise state caseload figures and trigger $43 million in additional federal funds.[35]
    # Suburban families are receiving large farm subsidies for the grass in their backyards–subsidies that many of these families never requested and do not want.[36]
    # Congress appropriated $20 million for “commemoration of success” celebrations related to Iraq and Afghanistan.[37]
    # Homeland Security employee purchases include 63-inch plasma TVs, iPods, and $230 for a beer brewing kit.[38]
    # Two drafting errors in the 2005 Deficit Reduction Act resulted in a $2 billion taxpayer cost.[39]
    # North Ridgeville, Ohio, received $800,000 in “stimulus” funds for a project that its mayor described as “a long way from the top priority.”[40]
    # The National Institutes of Health spends $1.3 million per month to rent a lab that it cannot use.[41]
    # Congress recently spent $2.4 billion on 10 new jets that the Pentagon insists it does not need and will not use.[42]
    # Lawmakers diverted $13 million from Hurricane Katrina relief spending to build a museum celebrating the Army Corps of Engineers–the agency partially responsible for the failed levees that flooded New Orleans.[43]
    # Medicare officials recently mailed $50 million in erroneous refunds to 230,000 Medicare recipients.[44]
    # Audits showed $34 billion worth of Department of Homeland Security contracts contained significant waste, fraud, and abuse.[45]
    # Washington recently spent $1.8 million to help build a private golf course in Atlanta, Georgia.[46]
    # The Advanced Technology Program spends $150 million annually subsidizing private businesses; 40 percent of this funding goes to Fortune 500 companies.[47]
    # Congressional investigators were able to receive $55,000 in federal student loan funding for a fictional college they created to test the Department of Education.[48]
    # The Conservation Reserve program pays farmers $2 billion annually not to farm their land.[49]
    # The Commerce Department has lost 1,137 computers since 2001, many containing Americans’ personal data.[50

  5. This whole article is so bogus, I could pick this junk apart for weeks and not make a dent. Way to go Rutherford!

    We needed a reminder of exactly what we could be getting rid of – excellent timing… 😛

  6. Whatever, Jeff. There is a reason “teabaggers” don’t listen to you, despite the heartbreak it obviously causes you. I has to do with infantile analyses like these, which which “Hit them where they ain’t.”

    R, let me know when you’re ready to participate in an adult and informed discussion on the subject.

  7. Anybody find it ironic that it has come down to the Democrats looking for help, inspiration and leadership from a comedians on the final weekend.

    Rutherford, why aren’t you on the national mall today? 🙂

    Do me a favor if you make a late trip and tell the dumbasses at Comedy Central you can’t limit cameras on the “NATIONAL” mall.

  8. “Do me a favor if you make a late trip and tell the dumbasses at Comedy Central you can’t limit cameras on the “NATIONAL” mall.”

    No kidding.

    Why is it that more and more liberals are getting less and less liberal?

    You can’t say this. You can’t do that. You can’t eat this. You can’t drink that.

    This is liberalism?

  9. Much more power and control in a nanny state, and it doesn’t have that annoying bug of people being able to make their own decisions. If they allowed people to think for themselves, they might come to the wrong conclusions (at least as the left defines it).

  10. The article isn’t bogus, but I think that it misses the point wildly.

    Teabag, anti-tax, government-hating types really don’t want all those services to go away. Not at all.
    Would they admit to wanting a cutback in defense spending or on veterans’ benefits? And they have been braying like outraged jackasses about cuts to Medicare funding (not benefits) that were included in Obamacare. Huh?

    No – the bottom line of those angry about too much government is that they actually LIKE big government, but they like it if and only if:

    1) Government regulations don’t restrict their own activities or cost them money. (e.g pollution controls.)

    2) The regulations or spending in question aren’t being proposed by politicians they don’t like. (Examples: Romneycare favored by Obama, Wall Street and banking reform proposed by Barney Frank, or anything at all proposed by Nancy Pelosi.), AND

    3) They don’t have to pay for it. Bottom line, tea partiers are freeloaders and cheapskates who never saw a tax cut they didn’t like, damn the consequences.

    These types make useful idiots in serving the interests of Republicorp.

  11. Employers wouldn’t REALLY cut wages to pocket their employees’ now-nonexistent income taxes. Would they?

    Hell yes, they would. Mom-and-pop businesses might actually have come wish to share the no-more-taxes windfall with their team, but never forget that a large public corporation is an amoral entity run by directors and executives whose fiduciary duty is first and foremost the economic benefit of corporate shareholders.

    And who even knows who those shareholders are at any given time, since hedge funds and Goldman Sachs massively trade in and out of equity positions, sometimes several times a day? Stocks aren’t investments any more – they are trading cards. And we wonder why corporations seem to focus more on short-term gains than on long-term growth.

    Republicorp has no interest in smaller government. Only in privatizing it.

  12. Yeah, you got tea baggers figured out. I’m a school teacher, you stereotyping doe doe bird. I’m calling for an end of the wasted tax dollars on both a state level and federal level on education. I think funding on education should be cut becuase way to much of it is wasted or stolen due to corruption. I could very well end up on the chopping blok, if taxes are lowered too much becuase my entire salary is on the tax payer’s dime. Yet, I’m on of the jack asses braying!

  13. “You can’t say this. You can’t do that. You can’t eat this. You can’t drink that.”

    Huh?

    “Straw man” alert.

    What??? We all know libs are our nation’s speech police – it’s improper to use terrorist or Muslim. Can’t do that? 😆 Are you kidding?

    You can’t eat this…

    http://wjz.com/local/trans.fat.2.1979980.html

    And you can’t drink that…

    http://newsfornatives.com/blog/2010/08/09/police-abuse-cops-shut-down-7-yr-olds-lemonade-stand-2/

    The only straw is in your fat head.

  14. I wonder if these nanny state proponents like Rutherford or Fake (forget Graychin, you’ll never get the truth out of him) would like to address any of those 51 items that show the great work of President Broke Obama and the mammoth Fed gov’t?

    ..crickets..

  15. “Huh?
    “Straw man” alert.”

    Try reading, fuckwad. I was responding to this….

    “Do me a favor if you make a late trip and tell the dumbasses at Comedy Central you can’t limit cameras on the “NATIONAL” mall.”

  16. I wonder if these nanny state proponents like Rutherford or Fake (forget Graychin, you’ll never get the truth out of him) would like to address any of those 51 items that show the great work of President Broke Obama and the mammoth Fed gov’t?

    ..crickets..

    You take Fake seriously after her inability to answer a simple question?

  17. If you’re going to respond to “no cameras on the National Mall,” then do it. Your response was about eating and drinking was irrelevant and pointless.

    I’m going to refrain from responding in kind to your gratuitous “fuckwad.”

    You can still drink all the lemonade you want. Liberals don’t go around busting kids’ lemonade stands. That’s for “law and order” types.

    You can eat all the trans-fat that you want, but you can’t serve it in a restaurant where people have no idea what they are eating. The restaurant owner should obey the freaking law and not risk the health of his patrons like me who are supposed to avoid the stuff – just to put a few more pennies in his pocket. Why would anyone have a problem with a law like that?

  18. Rabbit, I really don’t like to put it in such blunt terms, but you would be one of those “useful idiots” I was talking about. When you advocate defunding the schools, aren’t you cutting off your proverbial nose to spite your proverbial face? And are no schools at all really better than the schools you have? Or schools with larger classes and fewer resources? That seems unlikely.

    Cui bono when the schools are defunded? Not the kids, and not the teachers.

    I have never encountered anyone who seemed to be so down on his own profession. Are you sure you’re in the right line of work? Is the price you are paying really worth three months off in the summer?

  19. You take Fake seriously after her inability to answer a simple question?

    A lot of questions aren’t worth an answer. A lot of them are merely argumentative, and most of those come from you.

  20. “Fake, I believe that last statement epitomizes how disingenuous or possibly how uninformed libs really are. What federal taxes paid for those fire fighters that saved your little world?”

    You think that tea baggers really are only upset about federal taxes? You should know better. They would rather let state and local government crumble at their feet than consider paying for everything they expect government to do. But they complain plenty about waste and inefficiency, as if enough of that could be found to solve all of government’s economic problems.

    Useful idiots.

  21. They would rather let state and local government crumble at their feet than consider paying for everything they expect government to do. But they complain plenty about waste and inefficiency, as if enough of that could be found to solve all of government’s economic problems.

    No, they want state and local government to focus on doing what they are SUPPOSED to be doing with the money, rather than focusing on funding things that don’t fall into that category, and threatening to cut the services they are supposed to provide when their pet entitlements leave the budgets too short to pay for what they are supposed to do. It happens all the time.

    King County (Seattle) has a whole host of social programs that they want to fund. Times get tough, and revenues fall, and they will threaten Sherriff’s Office Staffing, rather than saying “Maybe we shouldn’t be paying for various housing and community development programs when we cannot adequately staff the Sherriff’s department, which refuses to reopen their contract that pays them guaranteed 5% raises in an economy where those who still have jobs aren’t keeping track with inflation.”

  22. Or the fact that our state is resisting efforts to break its monoply on liquor sales, by telling people that the lost profits will equate to cuts to firefighters and teachers, when the profits go to the general fund, rather than dedicated funds set aside for those services?

  23. The restaurant owner should obey the freaking law and not risk the health of his patrons like me who are supposed to avoid the stuff – just to put a few more pennies in his pocket.

    No one makes you go to the restaurant. No one makes you order food from the menu. When does YOUR responsibility figure into it, Chin?

  24. Graychin…you rock 🙂 I’m not sure why you continue to comment here, but I’m not sure why I do either. I have at least developed a new stategy…float like a buttefly. R…no offense, but under the umbrella of being all-inclusive, you seem to have created a forum for the fringe. I have touble grasping that.

  25. Yeah Fake, you float so much to become completely irrelevant. What purpose do you serve?

    Graychin rocks so much, he’s got two of us confused again. He’s criticizing Huck for something I addressed. Graychin is a little long in the tooth and can’t keep straight who he is talking to and comment numbering.

    You also share something else in common with Graychin besides ignorance – a penchant for demands for censorship.

    And I noticed all three of you intellectual cowards continue to avoid my questions to address anyone of the 51 points indicating your desired nanny state corrupt and a waste.

    But Graychin got one thing right. The state taxes, hidden fees and services also need to be reduced.

    Fake, you are a fake. And almost but not quite as disingenuous as Graychin Longtooth.

  26. Useful idiot is defined by “if we could only put more money in public education, imagine what we could do!”

    You got no business calling anybody useful idiot Brain Plaque when you’ve chosen to share a blog with the Yeller Dawg. He’s so helpless, other than his vote, I’m not sure he’s a capable enough idiot to be useful.

  27. No, they want state and local government to focus on doing what they are SUPPOSED to be doing with the money.

    And who is the arbiter of what “they” are “supposed” to do with the money? You, of course.

    That isn’t it at all. The other guy’s pork is what the teabaggers don’t like. Leave their pork the hell alone.

  28. No one makes you go to the restaurant. No one makes you order food from the menu. When does YOUR responsibility figure into it, Chin?

    I’m careful about what I eat, and I take responsibility for it when I can control the ingredients. When I cook it myself I know what’s in it because Big Government helpfully requires food manufacturers to put ingredients on the label.

    But when I go to a restaurant in a jurisdiction where it’s the law that there is to be no trans-fat in the food served, I have a right to expect that there will be no trans-fat in my food. And if there is, then the owner is recklessly endangering my health. If he pays a big fine upon getting caught, that’s “fine” with me. I wouldn’t object if he did thirty days in jail as well.

    In Oklahoma there are no laws against trans-fat. So when I eat in restaurants I just have to assume that trans-fats will be there (unless there are notices to the contrary, and some places do have such notices).

    How much more responsibility is it even possible for me to take? Should the patrons of that lying, cheating scumbag’s restaurant have “taken responsibility” by inspecting his kitchen before ordering?

    Counselor, does that answer your freaking question?

  29. Thanks, FN.

    under the umbrella of being all-inclusive, you seem to have created a forum for the fringe. I have touble grasping that.

    I’m not following you. Could you elaborate?

  30. FN –

    I explained in more detail in the previous thread, but I post here in spite of the venom and personal abuse because enjoy the debate. There are about a half-dozen regulars here, and all of them are of above average intelligence – although misled and / or deranged. Rutherford even chimes in on my side once in a while. (You will NEVER hear them criticize one another! It’s Groupthink!)

    If I can make it here, I can make it anywhere. Believe it or not, these “useful idiots” are the best spokesmen for “conservatism” that I’ve found. Every day or two someone comes up with a decent point, but the rest of the time their nonsense, ad hominem and abuse just seems to be the best that they have to offer.

  31. You will NEVER hear them criticize one another! It’s Groupthink!

    That will be news to Huck pertaining to Tex. 🙄

  32. I believe I have figured Fake’s purpose here.

    She’s the homely cheerleader with buck teeth in the corner of the end zone during the game. Pray she’s wearing shorts and doesn’t kick her leg.

    ————-

    Ah Rutherford, you didn’t tell me you were going to furnish cheerleaders during the match.

    Can you do me a favor? Can you find any pretty ones now?

  33. under the umbrella of being all-inclusive, you seem to have created a forum for the fringe. I have touble grasping that.

    Gawd, you are dumb Graychin. She’s referring to anybody here that doesn’t parrot her in the cheers. You’re the mascot – a bulbous boll weevil

  34. FN –

    Just ignore Tex. His posts are more content-free than most. His sole purpose here seems to be to create a “hostile blog environment” – especially for any women who happen to wander in.

    I wondered when I first came here why it seemed to be just a boy’s club. Now I see why.

  35. So content free that the mascot seldom can answer my questions Prissy. So I’ll pose one that hits Graychin a little closer to home that he can’t ignore.

    Gray, are that chivalrous with racist Mammy? 😈

    ———————

    Found a little fun fact today Gramps. That 2% of funding NPR derives from federal money? Afraid not…

    Approximately half of NPR’s funding comes from NPR member stations. In an average year, NPR funds about 45 percent of its operations with membership dues and program fees from member stations.

    These member stations are, in turn, subsidized by local, state, and federal tax dollars. Now, I think drug lords call that “money laundering.”

    To spite Graychin, I think the new Republican majority should put that first on their list to defund in its entirety.

    Then Graychin can really brag about his massive donations.

  36. Counselor, does that answer your freaking question?

    As much as it misses the point underlying it.

    YOU couched it in terms of what was good for Chin:

    The restaurant owner should obey the freaking law and not risk the health of his patrons like me who are supposed to avoid the stuff – just to put a few more pennies in his pocket. Why would anyone have a problem with a law like that?

    The problem with that is that you assume that it is ok for government to determine that because some people shouldn’t eat it, and because it can have a negative impact on some people’s health. that it is perfectly alright to outlaw it for everyone, rather than even looking to a less restrictive means such as requiring clear disclosure that the offending ingredient is used. It is the pattern used over and over again, just like when the government decides that because some people do not have health insurance, instead of offering options to those who do not, the solution is to force everyone to buy insurance that the government approves of.

    I don’t condone either approach, as government does not have the legal authority to do either one, but when told that it needs to start a cook fire, government’s repsonse is to drop an atom bomb.

  37. (You will NEVER hear them criticize one another! It’s Groupthink!)

    Really? I recall criticising Tex last week. And I know there have been times when Huck and I haven’t seen eye-to-eye.

    And I know Tigre didn’t agree with my assessment of your apology on the Tulsa World post linked in the last thread.
    —————————————————————————

    Its a lot harder to take you seriously when you say things that aren’t true.

  38. Black = White:

    No, I think that YOU miss the point. What kind of society thinks that undisclosed health hazards are OK because it’s “too restrictive” to make public accommodations remove those hazards? Is that your idea of libertarian utopia? Going back to pre-FDA days? Sinclair Lewis days? No thanks.

    I assume that you also oppose the requirement that food ingredients be listed on labels? After all, it’s only a few people like me who care about food ingredients, and we can just set up our own labs and do our own research.

    How do you feel about banning smoking in restaurants on the basis of second-hand smoke being a carcinogen? (Not to mention how unpleasant it is for non-smokers.) Most people won’t get cancer from smoke – only relatively few. Screw them – we don’t want to be “too restrictive” against restaurant owners because… well, just because.

    Second-hand smoke and trans-fats have something in common – they are hazardous to everyone’s health. “Too restrictive” to protect the public health. That”s just nuts.

    Isn’t there a less restrictive way to keep salmonella out of eggs than making producers follow restrictive sanitation rules? We could take responsibility for our own eggs by inspecting the facilities ourselves, or just trust that market incentives will keep egg producers from cutting corners on food safety and risking ruin of their business? Sure we can. The free market will keep everyone in line. Right?

    Same old libertarian bullshit. True to the dogma, but life doesn’t work the way the dogma promises.

  39. “Really? I recall criticising Tex last week.”

    You guys may have had a gentlemanly disagreement or two in he past couple of months. But like I said, you would never criticize each other. The Senate and House Republicans vote pretty much in lockstep. Groupthink.

    You too.

  40. Whatever Bill Ayers, Larry Flynt, Janeane Garofalo, Michael Moore, Al Gore, Rosanne, Joy Behar, Bill Maher, Rachel Maddow, Keith Olbermann, Sean Penn, Al Franken, Alan Grayson, Rosie O’Donnell, Yeller Dawg, and Cher, believe to be true, you believe to be true. Every time – completely predictable, perfectly correlated group think.

    If I am to be accused of group think, I think I will pick my group of BiC, Rabbit, Tigre, Huck, and Gorilla over yours.

    The Senate and House Republicans Dimocrats in lockstep. Groupthink. Far smaller group in four days. 😉

  41. Take a look at our ‘opponents’. If any of you ever wondered what people like Fake and Graychin look like outside the sphere, here they are. 😛

    Scary as hell, hey?

  42. Rutherford, I know you miss Elric, so I have provided one his specials in deference to you…she sounds like Graychin to me.

  43. I had a good time reading through the comments tonight. I knew at the outset that I had two strikes against me:

    1) The source was Daily Kos. That is enough to keep some of you from reading a single word. I admit that Markos is a bit of a loon — “American Taliban”, his new book being a prime example. Still even a loon can say what needs saying on occasion.

    2) The article so beautifully pointed out how clueless the TPM is.This kind of obvious proof just makes you guys dig your heels in deeper.

    Tex, why didn’t you post the SOURCE of your 51 tax wastes? Was it American Thinker or some such conservative rag as that?

    No one ever said there was no waste. No one ever said the current system is perfect. You guys fail to acknowledge that you’ve got some real “out there” candidates this season. Candidates who say “end the Fed income tax” and “kill the EPA”. This is the season of extremists and Seemann’s “response” spells out the end game of all this extremism.

    Of course, Gray picks up on the hypocrisy not explicitly called out in the article, namely that the average TPM member wants their medicare untouched. They want their social security untouched. The only cuts they want are the ones that punish “the lazy”, a group that never includes them or any of their friends.

    One of my biggest amusements/disappointments is seeing how you intelligent guys have embraced a bunch of loony tunes. When Tancredo says “Obama is a bigger threat than Al Qaeda” I can hear some of you clapping. What a waste of intellect.

  44. If any of you had bothered to watch Jon Stewart’s “smugapalooza” you would have seen him take equal shots at Fox and MSNBC.

    The theme of the rally was simple. Real Americans are too busy living, to engage in the polarization that disguises itself as valid political discourse nowadays. He made a great traffic analogy. Real life in this country is alike an alternate merge on a freeway. Folks take their turn merging in. Once in a while a jerk cuts ahead but for the most part everyone cooperates to get where they need to go. That is not the vision of America we see on TV every day.

    I like the vision that paints conservatives as bigoted loons. You guys like the vision that paints liberals as unpatriotic pagans. We’re both wrong. THAT is what today’s rally was about.

  45. Greychin,

    Useful idiot?

    Fine by me, I don’t mind the attacks, but would you quit purring like a cunny about ad hominem attacks?

    1. You seem to constantly call me out when it comes to my profession. Dude, I have taken on teaching jobs in places you wouldn’t have the balls to take a guarded, afternoon tour of.

    Am I wrong? Or does Greychin leave Lake Lilly to do volunteer work somewhere we are not aware of?

    I’ve taught entire classes of murders, including even a cannibal! And you know what? I tried to find something I liked in every one of them. I wasn’t perfect, but I can honestly say I treated each and everyone of them with respect.

    At my current place of employment, I have been voted “teacher of the year” so many times by the students that they changed the damn rules for getting the silly prize. A popularity contest for sure, but my pass rate on my AP classes was 95% last year. A school record. That’s a ton of kids that I like to think I had some part in motivating to earn college credit in high school. I feel like a tool bag bragging about things I can’t really prove online. I also feel uncomfortable bragging about a job that comes naturally very easy for me. I enjoy my job and feel lucky to have it. Would I do it for free? Nope. I do it for the pay. And, to me, part of the pay is summers off. I have to admit, usually it’s conservatives who idealistically feel teaching should be that one career in America that only selfless martyrs should pursue. So I will say it again. I do it for the summers off.

    2. I’m begging you to Google the corruption in just the Detroit Public School System alone. BEGGING YOU!

    The problem in Education has nothing to do with a lack of tax dollars.

    Who ever said I was for larger classes? You know how we could shrink class size over night? Eliminate the Department of Education. Eliminate NCLB. Eliminate the Federal intrusion. Research how much individual states spend on complying with Federal mandates.

    I feel like I could write a book on this topic. I see money wasted on a scale you can’t imagine. Do you know how many blood sucking bureaucrats are in Education?

    I will tell you what directly correlates with the decline of Public Schools. It’s the decline of the traditional family- which is itself a casualty brought upon by the Welfare State.

    You want to disagree with me? Go ahead buddy.

    But it’s high time you start explaining the merits of LBJ’s Great Society in light of education and crime or it is you, dear sir, who is the useful idiot.

    I got to know those kids who lay dead tonight. Have you ever gotten to know them? Truly know them? I’m sick of you liberals running away from the crime scene. Seriously, why is it a black author of this blog will write about every political controversy in America EXCEPT for the ghetto? I’ve been screaming for this debate to ensue. So, go ahead, keep on keeping on with the sanctimonious mud pies you sling at the Rabbit because I don’t fit your stereotypical model of a government employee. Let it be known: Rabbits reproduce quickly. I aint the only mole.

  46. Tex, why didn’t you post the SOURCE of your 51 tax wastes? Was it American Thinker or some such conservative rag as that?

    I thought the important item was the accuracy? If any one of them are wrong, point them out. Dispute them. I provided the facts, best I could tell. There was no need to lie because this isn’t a “little waste” Rutherford. This is systemic failure and fraud on a massive level – like Graychin’s microscopic Two Useful Idiot’s Blog; failure and fraud.

    Shortly after Nov. 2nd is over, I’m going to take a break from your propaganda for a short spell because I’ve accomplished my purpose. Your propaganda and your politics have been exposed to my satisfaction I believe – could be wrong; we’ll see in a few days.. Being around demons from hell like Graychin will sap the soul after a time and like smoking becomes a bad habit – I don’t want to become a burn out like that dink. 😉

    P.S. – Your own personal ignorance of the 1st Amendment is only surpassed by your historical/scriptural ignorance. Tell that atheistic moron that you radio blog with that the only thing the 1st amendment does concerning religion is to prohibit Congress establishing a state religion period. Why don’t you two educate yourself and read something about why our founders broke away? Pay particular note to King George and his edicts.

    It would do you good to be accurate about something important for a change.

    Just like you were wrong about Whigs, you live in a bubble, not recognizing 75% of the nation not only disagrees with your interpretation, but most just ignore you.

  47. “Tex, why didn’t you post the SOURCE of your 51 tax wastes? Was it American Thinker or some such conservative rag as that?”

    Tex, that’s a positive question in my eyes. This means he found the facts very disturbing, so much so, that he is questioning the source. Proving the validity is the easy part. After that, where can he go?

  48. Fair enough Rabbit. A reasonable request. The problem is there is so much documented fraud and waste, I could go to any reliable source and find billions of dollars. I chose this one because it documented the source itself….

    Many of these are sourced are straight out of the GAO.

    Here’s the link and the respective bibliographical sourcing. Have at it Rutherford.

    http://hoguenews.com/?p=4834

  49. On a side note, I went to see some local boxing today. I witnessed some thug boxer’s grand entrance go over 15 minutes. He had a live rapper and diamond grill on his teeth. 15 minutes after the theatrics, the bell rung. In less then 2 minutes, this dude lay in the middle of the ring out cold. I thought he was dead.

  50. No, I think that YOU miss the point. What kind of society thinks that undisclosed health hazards are OK because it’s “too restrictive” to make public accommodations remove those hazards? Is that your idea of libertarian utopia? Going back to pre-FDA days? Sinclair Lewis days? No thanks.

    “Hidden health hazzards”? Drama much?
    We aren’t talking about the restaurant serving you a ground glass souffle with a strychnine sundae for dessert. We aren’t even talking about slipping nuts or shellfish to people with alergies. We are talking about fats used in cooking. If one meal is going to kill you, then I’d stick to the salad and glass of water when you’re not doing the cooking. Believe it or not, I can support the voluntary disclosure of ingredients used in preparation; for an enterprising restaraunteur, this would be an opportunity to cater to a niche market. I might even hold my tongue if government ordered restaurants to disclose such things, like they have with fast food restaurants, but I draw the line when they tell them how they can and can’t prepare things, as it goes too far in limiting choices that are between me and the short order cook.

    I assume that you also oppose the requirement that food ingredients be listed on labels? After all, it’s only a few people like me who care about food ingredients, and we can just set up our own labs and do our own research.

    No, but that would be based on a distinction that you don’t want to make; that being that there is a difference between banning the use of a product that can be harmful in the scope of cumulative use over the course of years, and requiring the makers of processed foods to accurately inform you of what you are buying. I understand the reason why there is an FDA. No one is in favor of letting meat packing companies using whatever they like when they make hot dogs or chili, but once again, you confuse a limit on government with an intent to eliminate it altogether. But like much of goverment, their tactics can be both heavy handed and excessive, like the behavior they displayed in this story:

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2013257593_cheese26m.html?prmid=obinsite

    And more people care about ingredients than just you. As a diabetic, I look at labels to deterimine carbs and sugars in what I eat. I don’t have the expectation that when someone else prepares the food for me, that they do so with my dietary preferences in mind. If they post nutrional information, I will read it, and if they don’t, I don’t expect that the pasta will be whole grain, or that they will use monosaturated fats when cooking.

    How do you feel about banning smoking in restaurants on the basis of second-hand smoke being a carcinogen?

    I am against it, not that it matters, since in Pierce County, where I live, the health department took it upon itself to ban smoking in all restaurants, bars, taverns, and public places, such as bowling alleys and shopping malls. While the State Supreme Court eventually reminded them of the limits on their authority, the state legislature decided that it was a fabbbbbuuulllous idea, and substituted their judgment for the owners and patrons of the establishments and made it the law of the state.

    My objections are based on the state telling the business owners that they cannot permit a lawful activity on their property, and that those who engage in the lawful activity cannot do it in those places. As a nonsmoker, I had no trouble determining for myself where I might have a meal, a drink, or bowl a few frames, based on my preference for not smelling like an ashtray. I also object based on the science, as the EPA report used to justify such laws in states like Washington and Michigan, was deeply flawed, and essentially started with a premise, then massaged the cherry-picked data in order to justify the result.

    On the report:
    http://www.davehitt.com/facts/epa.html
    You can attack the source if you like, I selected this link because it gives the pertient data in an easy to read format. There are other, lengthy scientific analysis, like the one I had to read in my environmental law course, which was both peer reviewed and explained everything in minute, excruciating detail.
    On the subject in general, I have written, discussing a conversation I had with a friend in Michigan on their laws on the subject:
    http://threesurethingsoflife.wordpress.com/2009/12/18/another-facebook-conversation/
    (Not to mention how unpleasant it is for non-smokers.) Most people won’t get cancer from smoke – only relatively few. Screw them – we don’t want to be “too restrictive” against restaurant owners because… well, just because.

    Second-hand smoke and trans-fats have something in common – they are hazardous to everyone’s health. “Too restrictive” to protect the public health. That”s just nuts.

    They have something else in common: you are free to NOT partake of either one; the cumulative intake of the latter, and the belief that exposure to the former are both “harmful” do not justify government eliminating anyone’s choice to have either one based on health. This isn’t about underground chemical spills reaching water tables, or flour mills routinely turning out flour that has a higher than acceptable parts per million of mouse and rat droppings. This is about choices that YOU are free to make or not make. If you still feel like you are sucking smoke in the non-smoking section…leave. Tell them why as you leave, and go to the restaurant that has chosen to be a non-smoking establishment. If you believe these are harms, then they are harms YOU can mitigate; your sensitivities and beliefs don’t give you the right to be the dictatorial turd in the punchbowl telling Marvin the Marlboro Man that he can’t light up after a nice meal in the appointed are of the restaurant because a few particles of smoke might tickle your nose hair.

    Isn’t there a less restrictive way to keep salmonella out of eggs than making producers follow restrictive sanitation rules? We could take responsibility for our own eggs by inspecting the facilities ourselves, or just trust that market incentives will keep egg producers from cutting corners on food safety and risking ruin of their business? Sure we can. The free market will keep everyone in line. Right?

    Did I say that no government may make such tests? I think you need to go back and read what I have said. I do believe that such duties lie with the States and not so much to the Feds, and having grown up in a state with some of the highest standards on meat quality and purity ANYWHERE, I know that they are capable of performing such duties when they make it a priority.

    Of course, the problem comes in, as pointed out in the story above, when the FEDS decide that a chainsaw is as good as a scapel, and they decide that all products made by a producer have to come off the market, rather than just the products that have failed testing. I missed the part in the Constitution where government gets the right to take ALL your stuff because some of it might be bad. Perhaps you can find that part for me?

    Same old libertarian bullshit. True to the dogma, but life doesn’t work the way the dogma promises.

    Same old progressive bullshit. Hear what you want to hear, so you can attack what wasn’t said, and because something might be bad for you, you believe that you have the right to take those choices away from everyone else.

    I guess it could be worse; you could be trying to take away everyone else’s ice cream because it would be bad for you to eat it.

  51. Eliminate the Federal intrusion. Research how much individual states spend on complying with Federal mandates.

    Amen, brother!

    Take the Judge in Missouri v. Jenkins for example.

    “In this case, beginning in 1977, United States District Court Judge Russell G. Clark, sitting in the Western District of Missouri, acted as a legislator and school superintentdent in handling the case before him. Judge Clark held the Kansas City School District liable for segregating its schools, and created a plan for the District to revamp its schools, through which he greatly overstepped his judicial power.
    The District spent $61 million to respond to the desegregation order but Clark was not satisified. Clark developed a scheme to improve the school system at a cost of $1.6 billion! To pay for the improvements, Judge Clark ordered the city to increase property taxes on its citizens by 91 percent! He also ordered the State of Missouri to increase income property taxes by 25 percent! A court of appeals panel struck down the income tax increase, but unfortunately did not find anything troubling about the property-tax hike.
    Clark’s improvment plan was also extremely unnecessary, in addition to being wildly unconstitutional. His plan called for drastic remodeling of the schools, Olympic-sized swiming pools, zoos, gymnasiums, and “learning resource” centers. Judge Clark also required that the schools fund salary increases and remedial education programs. Luckily, in 1995, after nearly two decades of Judge Clark’s abuse, the Supreme Court of the United States, by a slim, 5 to 4 margin, decided that mandating increased salaries and funding for remedial programs was an abuse of power.”

    Lies the Government Told You: Myth, Power, and Deception in American History By Judge Andrew P. Napolitano, p. 53.

  52. And who is the arbiter of what “they” are “supposed” to do with the money? You, of course.

    We already told them. The Federal Government’s duties are set forth in the Constitution. The State Government’s duties are set forht in the State Consitution. Counties typically have their authority set forth in charters or enabling acts. And you don’t have to look very hard to find where each goes astray.
    Example: The State of Washington currently has a monopoly on liquor sales. You can only buy liquor from state owned liquor sotres, at a 25 to 51.9% mark up. Now if all the liquor stores were privately owned by the same corporation or group of corporations, that all sold with an up to 51.9% mark up, the state would be in their business for operating a monopoly and price gouging, but because it is the state, which has no business being in the liquor business, everything is hunky-dorey. No problem there…except for the fact that the government of the state was not formed to have a liquor monopoly. The primary duty of government is to secure the unalienable rights of its citizens. It does this by keeping the peace, enforcing contracts, protecting property rights, defending its citizens, and establishing and maintaining a justice system for the uniform application and enforcement of the laws. These aims are not served by midnight basketball, community centers, scholarships, and no interest loans of taxpayer money to low income homeowners for “community improvement”, and especially when you can’t afford to keep public safety officers on the job.

    That isn’t it at all. The other guy’s pork is what the teabaggers don’t like. Leave their pork the hell alone.

    Really? ‘Cause I’m pretty sure I’ve made myself clear on Social Security, Medicare, and “Too Big To Fail”, and if I didn’t, LET ME BE CLEAR: I DON’T LIKE ANY OF IT. The government doesn’t have the legal authority for any of it. You want the government to have that authority? Propose a Constitutional Amendment, and get it ratified. Otherwise, its something for the individual states, or the people. You piss and whine about the plain language of the Fourteenth Amendment, and yet you never seem to give a thought to the plain language of the Ninth and Tenth Amendments.

  53. “If you’re going to respond to “no cameras on the National Mall,” then do it. Your response was about eating and drinking was irrelevant and pointless.”

    I did respond to it. He commented about something that isn’t allowed. So did I. Just because you didn’t see it doesn’t mean there wasn’t a point.

    “You can still drink all the lemonade you want. Liberals don’t go around busting kids’ lemonade stands. That’s for “law and order” types”

    Not if it has sugar in it.

    “ou can eat all the trans-fat that you want…”

    Wrong again….

    “How do you feel about banning smoking in restaurants on the basis of second-hand smoke being a carcinogen?”

    It should be the owner’s choice. If he allows smoking and enough people don’t like it, he will lose business. And if employees don’t like it they are free to work elsewhere the same as customers are free to et elsewhere. No need for nanny to get involved.

    “Second-hand smoke and trans-fats have something in common – they are hazardous to everyone’s health.”

    Do trans-fats get absorbed through the skin when the person next to you eats it?

    Sometimes I think Sensico has access to your account here.

    “You guys may have had a gentlemanly disagreement or two in he past couple of months. But like I said, you would never criticize each other.”

    Riiiight.

    Is there something you find gentlemanly about being called a Jew-hating lard-ass who attends Butt-fuck University? (Which I am not crying about. I give it as much as I take it)

    “The Senate and House Republicans vote pretty much in lockstep. Groupthink. You too.”

    Wrong again….

    I have said many times I am pro-choice. And if I haven’t yet convinced you of my position on religion and government then you just haven’t been paying attention. I also suspect that not all of us here on the right agree with things like legalizing pot, for example.

    I don’t see a whole lot of contention between you folks on the left, so I don’t think you have an inch of room to be spouting off about groupthink.

    This is my problem with you, Graychin. You’re a hypocritical elitist. Half the time you act like your shit doesn’t stink and the other half you act like you don’t shit at all. I have little patience for either.

  54. Rabbit @ #49:

    The problem in Education has nothing to do with a lack of tax dollars.

    But it’s hard to imagine how reducing resources for education will improve it. How did that “starve the beast” mentality work out with respect to the federal budget?

    You see a lot of problems in education. So do I. Do you have any solutions besides starving the beast? Yes, you do. Eliminating all federal standards and oversight. That’s a dubious suggestion at best. Forgive me if it sounds to me more like ideology than like a solution for endemic corruption and inefficiency. On the contrary. In my part of the country we are plagued with school scandals in small districts involving local school board members failing to oversee corrupt administrators – or being in cahoots with them. Federal meddling isn’t the problem.

    I agree that “no child left behind” is idiotic and a colossal waste of time and resources. It results in more teaching to the test than any real student progress. Anyone with a brain could have seen that coming. Accountability is one thing. Endless standardized tests aren’t education.

    Do you really love your work? Your “teacher of the year” cred would seem to indicate that. Why doesn’t that shine through in your comments?

  55. Q – Tex, why didn’t you post the SOURCE of your 51 tax wastes? Was it American Thinker or some such conservative rag as that?

    A – I thought the important item was the accuracy? If any one of them are wrong, point them out. Dispute them. I provided the facts, best I could tell.

    Rabbit, thank you for calling out this bullshit. Seriously.

  56. I have no reason to doubt that any of those examples of waste are accurate, although some of them seem on their face to be half true at best:

    (“Washington will spend $2.6 million training Chinese prostitutes to drink more responsibly on the job.”)

    But that doesn’t mean that there isn’t tons of waste in federal spending. Of course there is. It’s fault of (mostly) congesscritters that we elect – from both parties:

    Despite trillion-dollar deficits, last year’s 10,160 earmarks included $200,000 for a tattoo removal program in Mission Hills, California; $190,000 for the Buffalo Bill Historical Center in Cody, Wyoming; and $75,000 for the Totally Teen Zone in Albany, Georgia

    The Transportation Department will subsidize up to $2,000 per flight for direct flights between Washington, D.C., and the small hometown of Congressman Hal Rogers (R-KY)–but only on Monday mornings and Friday evenings, when lawmakers, staff, and lobbyists usually fly. Rogers is a member of the Appropriations Committee, which writes the Transportation Department’s budget

    Elimination of some of this obvious waste would upset Republicorp. We can’t have that, can we?

    Washington spends $92 billion on corporate welfare (excluding TARP) versus $71 billion on homeland security.

    Over half of all farm subsidies go to commercial farms, which report average household incomes of $200,000

    The Federal Communications Commission spent $350,000 to sponsor NASCAR driver David Gilliland

    More than $13 billion in Iraq aid has been classified as wasted or stolen. Another $7.8 billion cannot be accounted for

    Congress recently gave Alaska Airlines $500,000 to paint a Chinook salmon on a Boeing 737

    But there’s a silver lining:

    Federal investigators have launched more than 20 criminal fraud investigations related to the TARP financial bailout

    More of this, please. Obviously we should hire more auditors, investigators and prosecutors to address a lot of this stuff. Even if it makes the government payroll grow, the return on investment would probably exceed 10:1 annually.

  57. But the POINT of Tex’s list of government waste and fraud is… what?

    Starve the beast? Isn’t that what Reagan and Bush II tried to do with their tax cuts? How did that work out with respect to the deficit?

    Republicorp is implicated.

    Congressional earmarks are implicated.

    A Washington culture of being too casual with other people’s money is implicated – under administrations of both parties.

    What’s the solution? Like I said – more auditors, investigators and prosecutors would be a start.

    “Starve the beast”? Not if you care about deficits.

  58. Finally, I get to Black = White: (don’t you guys go to halloween parties?

    I do believe that such duties (salmonella in eggs) lie with the States and not so much to the Feds, and having grown up in a state with some of the highest standards on meat quality and purity ANYWHERE, I know that they are capable of performing such duties when they make it a priority.

    The salmonella-infected eggs all came from one huge egg factory in Iowa. They were shipped to other states through interstate commerce. Won’t the “invisible hand” push food producers into the states with the least “intrusive” safety standards?

    Leaving food safety to states is just nuts, especially since so little of what we eat today is grown locally. It’s a matter for the feds if there ever was one.

  59. “…but I draw the line…”

    …in the wrong place, and your place is just as arbitrary as anyone else’s. You seem to agree with public health and safety regulation in principle, especially when state and local government does it – as in the case of trans-fat and tobacco smoke. You just think that some regulation is too “restrictive.” You apparently want no new regulation, and a rollback of some of the more recent regulation. Back to that golden age of… 1970? 1960? 1950? No thanks.

    What can I say about your placement of the stake on where to draw the line? Only that you’re wrong and I’m right. 😀

    And that society is leaving you behind in your selected golden age.

  60. Responding to R in Comment #48 and BiW’s Comment #55. I think BiW makes a credible argument that limited government is best, and that he never said no government, no regulation. Which speaks to R’s “bigoted loons” vs. the “unpatriotic pagans”. Liberals and conservatives alike are opposed to excessive limitations on individual freedom, and we both think the other group is trying to take that away from us. We are made to look like parodies and caricatures of ourselves.
    While I have to roll my eyes to even comment on this, since this is not the most pressing issue on the planet right now, I do recognize it’s but an example (like my six fire trucks). Trans-fats. I agree totally that a requirement to post the contents of food should be sufficient. If I want to eat food prepared with trans-fat, I should be able to do so.
    By the way BiW, there is a difference between “inability to answer a serious question” and “refusal to engage”. Prudent people do not stand in the target area of a firing range wearing a Tshirt that says “Please shoot me”.
    And Graychin, right on the money! It is painfully obvious why this is a boy’s club.

  61. A Washington culture of being too casual with other people’s money is implicated – under administrations of both parties.
    I for one would love to see that kind f logical fairness doled out by graychin more often.
    Rutherford.
    I found the post overstretched given the KOS piece being completely retarded. I think the best thing one could say is that it was aimed and hit dead on the nerves of the respective camps allowing for the bases to ignite. Crappy journalism no better than anything else seen on the L or R. Red meat pseudo journalism is one of societies greatest curses.

  62. And also (now I feel like some serial posters here, who, not content with their previous arguments and/or insults, feel compelled to say And furthermore, and furthermore…)
    While I am busy eating food prepared with trans-fats and smoking cigarettes, I hope you are prepared to pay for my health care. You are, after all, already doing it.

  63. Graychin, this is why I think you are both dishonest and ineffective as a debater. Your only real following and sphere of influence are the lowest order – weak groupies like Fake or Yeller Dawg who are incapable of adding anything of substance. They simply cheer lead for you as their spokesman.

    This entire article that Rutherford provided is so superficial, it deserves to be laughed at, then discarded as complete nonsense. It’s written with a tone of resignation and hyperbole. Desperation has begin to set in for you progressives, and remarks like this are the last gasp of a dying philosophy. Some day, it will be resurrected under same management, new name.

    You congratulate Rabbit for calling out my ‘BULLSHIT’ where none exists, only because of your intense hatred of me (tee hee) and the news doesn’t meet your preconceived notions. I told Rabbit, fair enough – here’s the documentation. I then provided the documentation, knowing fully well what was coming down the pike from hacks like you. And if you looked closely, you would see most of the documentation is provided by the GAO, or Washington Post or academia – not your adversary’s strongholds.

    This represents only a fraction of what I could provide with documentation how we blew past the law of diminishing returns years ago with respect to government, and entered into the realm of mostly waste and fraud.

    It doesn’t take a PHD in physics to understand the entire spectrum of government is not only broken, but has been broken for many, many years. From corruption to incompetence, it is as plain as the morning light.

    And your solution? We need more of it.

    You accuse most of us, me included, as nasty and dishonest. But I think what separates the right side of the equation from you on the Rutherford Lawson blog, is not our shortcoming(s), but yours. You apparently have zero critical thinking skills. And since I don’t entirely believe that, I can only surmise you reach your conclusions based on a lifetime of indoctrination, and probably familial benefactor of higher taxes so how, some way.

    And that is what this election is really about. For the first time in my political life, the truth about government about the real effectiveness of government is beginning to become more visible.

    Your experiment the last two years in Europe lite is proving incredibly unpopular. Ironically, about the time Obama and his shills have made the attempt to adopt a more European nanny state, Europe is trying to become more like us because the verdict is in – it failed badly in Europe. Very badly – and it it going to get ugly.

    You hate FOX News because it’s the one forum that exposes the dirty deeds of government – the only one that really breaks the mold of real media “group think.” No different about the internet and AM radio. You can’t control the flow of information; you can’t mask the lies; you don’t control the narrative.

    You had your shot with Obama, and the verdict is in in 20 short months – it failed miserably.

    So in 48 hours, the American public will determine who has been preaching the bullshit now that Obama resides on the scales.

  64. Graychin…state control of food safety would work as long as none of the food available for sale came from outside your state. I’d probably make it here in Florida, but I would hate to live in, say, Alaska, in say…January.

  65. While I am busy eating food prepared with trans-fats and smoking cigarettes, I hope you are prepared to pay for my health care. You are, after all, already doing it.

    If you eat tofu and exercise, I still pay for your healthcare, as you do for mine. I will get to pay for it longer, matter of fact. Another meaningless comment…

  66. Actually, I’m employed and have health insurance, so it’s more like I’m paying for yours and not the other way around.
    As for cheerleading…when Graychin gets accused of whining about ad hominem attacks, the argument appears to be that ad hominem attacks are acceptable, but objecting to them is not. Man Up, right?
    I shoot for never saying anything privately, or on a blog, that I wouldn’t acknowledge publicly.
    Here, I confess the locker-room vulgarity of the language shocks me. This means you too, Rabbit.

  67. Local example of why people are being choked with taxes. And occasionally Graychin the blind squirrel finds the proverbial nut. The Tea Party’s objections, my objections, are not limited to the federal government, but all government.

    Our discussion always centers around federal taxes, but if you want a better indicator of why the real middle class, and household income varies from place to place, is being squeezed so severely, the federal government is not the largest part of the problem. Almost half of families in America pay little or no federal tax.

    —————–

    Personal example. I live in a town that 40 years ago had a sales tax per dollar of 4 cents. Today the sales tax is 8.571 cents per dollar. Anything purchased, including groceries, is subject to the tax rate. And in that time, my city has gone from a well kept secret jewel, to an eyesore in most places. I have yet to determine what we have improved; i.e. – our school system, 40 years ago deemed to be one of the best in the country now graduates 14% of its student capable of attending and passing college courses without remedial work.

    The last five years, my property taxes have increased 29.2%. Somebody, somewhere determined my house was worth more than listed on the tax roll. i was given notification without any debate, predetermined by a neighborhood sq. footage rate. Our state limits the maximum yearly property tax increase to 5% – and there have been a few new mills added since. Magically, my house continues to receive the maximum increase allowable by state law, though best I can determined, the housing prices here are stagnant. I can dispute these by having my house appraised at my expense (in the neighborhood of $500 for appraisal) and proving in their kangaroo court that they are wrong under their jurisdiction.

    Since 2006, water rates for residential customers inside my city have increased 16.6 percent. During that same period, sewer rates for residential customers inside the city have increased 36.6 percent. There has been no improvement in water quality – we are told that we are delinquent in water works fixes.

    Our roads are some of the worst in the nation.

    The one service we do have that I give an ‘A’ grade to is refuse. Yet, under the ruling class of Tulsa’s citizens who call every shot and dominate our city government is busily trying to change the service – and reduce pickup to once a week from twice a week. We do get a “free” big green bin to roll to the curb, thought the refuse providers have tried to explain that this will not only dramatically slow service, but actually has lead to more personal injury and more eyesore.

    These are but a few reasons that the middle class is being squeezed out of existence where I live.

  68. Liberals and conservatives alike are opposed to excessive limitations on individual freedom, and we both think the other group is trying to take that away from us.

    That’s true. It’s all in how you decide what is “excessive.”

    I believe that the “Patriot” act encroachment on the Fourth Amendment is excessive.

    Black = White thinks that keeping cigarette smoke out of public places is excessive. And that federal regulation for purity of the interstate commerce is best left to the states.

  69. You just think that some regulation is too “restrictive.”

    You mean when it arbitrarily limits lawful behavior based on junk science? Yes, that is “too restrictive”. When it prevents people from using or consuming a food additive because it is the source of harm when cumulatively consumed over a period of years? Yes, that is “too restrictive”. In fact, when the federal government used to practice restraint, the “least restrictive” means of addressing an issue was the only approved means of doing so by the government (google the doctrine of overbreadth)

    I noticed that you were silent on the topic of the FDA’s recent crushing overeach here on a family creamery. Do I take it that you find it perfectly acceptable that an entire business was shut down over a minor issue where NO tainted product had made it into commerce?

    Leaving food safety to states is just nuts, especially since so little of what we eat today is grown locally. It’s a matter for the feds if there ever was one.

    Fine, then write and ratify an amendment giving them the authority, rather than simply skirting the “plain language” of the Ninth and Tenth Amendment. It really is that simple.

    don’t you guys go to halloween parties?

    When you have a six year old and a ten year old, the Halloween parties are a lot earlier than the adult baccanalia that goes on starting at around 9pm. 🙂

  70. Um Fake… you have stated at your own blog that you have little money. That is not the situation in my house. Other than substantial expense for three college educations and tightness in cash flow for a short period in time, life is actually pretty sweet – in fact, would be enviable to most. So your pettiness not fitting; your pity, not required.

    I can assure you my wife and I receive nothing of benefit from either fed, state, or local gov’t that any citizen does not receive.

    I wouldn’t toot your horn too loudly, as I am not actively seeking employment as I tired of being in daily close proximity to your type. And by personal choice left the days of corporations of my own accord.

    Most importantly, I share a household with a loving family – including wonderful extended family. In other words, I’m blessed. I am almost positive, given the choice, I would not trade your life for mine. 😉 Try to set that to memory.

    The fact that your employed is meaningless, because fortunately for you, I’m covered under my wife

  71. Tex, I have successfully protested increased property tax assessments on my own houses at least twice.

    If the assessment of your house is wrong, then quit your bitching, get off your butt, get your facts together, and file a protest. Back in the day, the Tulsa Assessor’s office was very receptive to well-documented protests, and helpful in assisting you in filing them.

    But don’t go in there acting like an asshole. (Not that you would.) Be courteous and professional.

    You forgot to mention the large state income tax cuts that you have received in the past ten years or so. But I agree that state and local sales taxes in Oklahoma are way, way too high.

  72. You forgot to mention the large state income tax cuts that you have received in the past ten years or so.

    😆 Large decreases? Afraid most of don’t feel that way. And you forget all of my “state income taxes” come from another state – the one state that actually is doing okay; and the best run state in the nation by far.

    Sure, I can protest rates – at my own expense. You aren’t telling me something I didn’t already know, as I’ve successfully done that once. However, thirteen people in my neighborhood home association protested last year – thirteen lost. I’m afraid your simple assessment isn’t so simple anymore.

    That is why Mr. Yates will be receiving far fewer votes this time, though he is the resident Republican. You’ll be thrilled to know I will be voting for two local Dimocrats this go around.

  73. Tex, since you have so much to be happy about and be thankful for…

    Why all the hate, bitterness and sarcasm that you show in your posts?

    Something doesn’t add up.

  74. Black = White thinks that keeping cigarette smoke out of public places is excessive. And that federal regulation for purity of the interstate commerce is best left to the states.

    No. BiW believes that legal prohibitions on lawful behaviors that infringe on the property rights of business owners and the lawful activities of their patrons so that others can impose their preferences on everyone is excessive.

    BiW also KNOWS that the states have their own purity standards for foods, which are many times more stringent than the federal standards (where did the federal government get the authority to promulgate such standards again?), and are actually in a position to better enforce such standards.

  75. Graychin,

    Tex, since you have so much to be happy about and be thankful for… Why all the hate, bitterness and sarcasm that you show in your posts? Something doesn’t add up.

    Why, because you are the target? You see the forum through your own lens Graychin with you being the target. It’s real simple – I don’t like you. In fact, I find you reprehensible and the enemy. I think you are a disingenuous phony and master of self-servitude. Need I say more?

    I don’t like Fake either. And if she weren’t as dishonest as you are, she might note the amount of vitriol around here cast at Conservative women candidates, including some of the vilest, sexist language imaginable. I just play the game Graychin. I’m happily married and my five favorite people in the world are all female. So I don’t pay attention at your ridiculous charges of misogyny – I know better because I’m led by the nose by wife and the two most gorgeous daughters on the planet.

    If you were to ask Rabbit, or BiC, Gorilla or Alfie, I don’t think they would necessarily define me as hateful and bitter. A smartass maybe. I don’t even think Rutherford would define me that way either because off record, we are very friendly and I like him.

    You preaching to me about sarcasm? Cynicism? 😈 That’s parody, right? Pot = kettle?

  76. It doesn’t cost anything. And who SHOULD bear the expense?

    Really? Tell that to my boss, who has been in the same boat as Tex for the last three years…each year, he is out of pocket for a professional, litigation-worthy appraisal, which shows that the County’s assessment is wildly inflated, then he has to take time off work and go represent himself in front of the appeals board to make his case, wait 13 weeks for the decision, and then spend more time on an appeal. Time when he isn’t doing his job. Time that he would have to pay an attorney for if he wasn’t one.

    And this state partially recognizes the concept of a prevailing party, so in most other avenues, there is a means to make the loser pay much or all of the costs, but of course, because the interest here is the protection of a determination made by a greedy government, he bears the cost of proving them wrong.

  77. “Sure, I can protest rates – at my own expense. ”

    It doesn’t cost anything. And who SHOULD bear the expense?

    So real estate appraisals are now free? How quaint. Where do I sign up for that service? They quoted me $495 over the phone. Is that what my tax dollars were paying for and I never knew it? Gee…

    I dispute the methodology of some drive by shooting with video camera in hand being able to fairly assess the value of the home Graychin. And that is exactly how they do it – it’s a joke. And the methods of taking some area average and multiplying by square footage is a joke too.

  78. “But it’s hard to imagine how reducing resources for education will improve it.”-Greychin’

    That is tax payer money being stolen!

    My God, man. Cut it off!

    As for my love of my job not “shinning” through my comments, I don’t know what to say to that one. For one, I don’t gain my identity from my job.

    Dude…its an easy, easy job for me. I’m just a big Pollock who cracks the kids up and every now and then scares the shit out of them. I tell camp fire stories about history and try to make the kids better writers then I am. It’s that simple man.

    I don’t have to work hard at my job and I feel guilty about it. Add it to a list of other shit I should go see a therapist about.

  79. Over the last several minutes or so, I’ve thought about whether I ever encounter the serious female-bashing that I get here, and the answer is…no. Could there be some undercover sentiments? Perhaps. But I don’t really care much what you think. I care only about your behavior. No one I know in my “real” life would ever express the kind of bitterness and hatred of women that seems de rigueur here. No one would ever get away with it. So I usually get to be blissfully unaware of your neurotic hatreds, if you have them.

  80. Hey fakename, when I read your comments, I do that gesture where one makes a “V” with one’s fingers and then I flick my hairy tongue in between them.

  81. “where did the federal government get the authority to promulgate such standards again?”

    The Commerce Clause? Regulating interstate commerce? Wasn’t the FDA established over 100 years ago in response to widespread horrors? Was that unconstitutional?

  82. FN – in all fairness, I think that the ugly female-bashing here isn’t coming from everyone. I think it comes from just one commenter. I can’t recall anti-female comments from anyone else.

    Correct me if I’m wrong.

  83. “where did the federal government get the authority to promulgate such standards again?”

    The Commerce Clause? Regulating interstate commerce? Wasn’t the FDA established over 100 years ago in response to widespread horrors? Was that unconstitutional?

    Ahhhhhh, yes. The Commerce Clause. Tell me, Chin. Does the Commerce Clause allow the government to fine a person for growing crops for their own use? Does the Commerce Clause have any definable limitation, or does it cover anything that the government says it can cover? Put another way, has the SCOTUS ever told the government that there is something that the Commerce Clause cannot be used to regulate?

  84. Fake, this is the proverbial neighborhood pool hall. It’s not the tea room, or the bunko club. We’re not he Lamdba Chi Alpha fraternity to your Theta House. If the behavior bothers you, why are you here?

    You are the very definition of the passive bully and the instigator of strife, without the fortitude to fight the fight yourself. The only males you hang with are the ones that grovel to how bad men are and tell you what you want to hear because they are as lonely and lost as you. Undoubtedly, that doesn’t really appeal to you, because you apparently seek something that the boys elsewhere don’t provide and do here.

    Graychin kisses up to you because you share his philosophy. If you happened to slip and mention anything that didn’t fit the far left fringe meme, it wouldn’t be long before he’d roll you in a minute. Trust me, I’ve witnessed it myself on another board.

    And you need to get your own house in order first before you come over and declare judgment of your superiority. If you wish to discuss or debate a subject without contempt, then remove the patronizing demeanor first.

    When you can do that, and when you can address your questions directly to me, I will be glad to knock off the “liberal” female bashing, where you’ll discover there are no other underlying sentiments.

  85. If I were a judge, I would consider the string of questions in your last paragraph to be both argumentative and irrelevant. I think I answered your original question clearly You didn’t address my response.

    Are you alleging that interstate shipment of food is not interstate commerce properly subject to regulation under the Commerce Clause? Are you alleging that the 1906 establishment of the Food and Drug Administration was, and remains, unconstitutional?

  86. Rabbit :lol:,

    Unlike Graychin, I know exactly why you just said what you just said. And it wasn’t necessarily sexual. Payback is what I would call it and being I would assume you work with a fair number of women, some great, some not so great, you’ve been subject to.

    You see it too and have met the same type of scolding harpies, who somewhere have been burned, and now determined that they will get even with the only weapon they have – a reincarnation of burn the bra.

    Women who use their gender as weapon to bash, punish, scold, and make the male life miserable through any methods necessary that the politically correct crowd deems appropriate. And invariably, the punishment is doled out by men like Graychin, who imagine it brings them feminine favor. 😉

    And I pray that my own two daughters don’t carry around the obvious chip on the shoulder, and are comfortable and happy to be women. They are neither superior nor inferior for it.

  87. Graychin…yes 🙂 I hope Rabbit is proud of himself.
    These attacks don’t even reach the low level of ad hominem, since to successfully do that, you have to at least know something about the person in question.
    For example, to call me ugly, you’d have to know what I look like 🙂
    In my “real” life, I have friends, male and female, liberal and conservative, who would never stoop to this kind of dialogue. Those real people know we want the same things, we just don’t agree on how to get there.
    I never advocate censorship. What I advocate is self-policing. And if you’re incapable of that, then I expect someone to call you on it. Rarely happens here, but it does happen…e.g., Rabbit v. Tex. Sad to say. I’m not exactly in the mood to say anything positive about Rabbit. If you aren’t ashamed of your comment, Rabbit, I don’t know what to say to you. My best advice is…don’t apply for a job with the State Department.

  88. Actually Graychin, I willingly admit this has become almost by accident the boys club. It seems appropriate that a liberal blog would become the club of ill repute.

    There are a few women that actively partake on BiC’s blog. They don’t whine, make demand, make accusation of incivility, and are interesting in their commentary. In fact, they are some of my favorites. I don’t ever remember a gender war breaking out, I don’t remember gender even being a manner of main topic.

    Where it differs here on the Rutherford Lawson blog, and I think this happened by sheer accident with dominating personalities with strong opinions and big mouths – and I confess that would be guys like you and me – this is where the men and women kind of separate by gender – this is the TV room the boys move to.

    The gaggle of women go to the kitchen and talk kids or clothes or life – their husbands gather around the TV, drink beer, and cuss at the football screen, debating which team is better. The Rutherford Lawson blog is the latter…

    Fake is more than welcome to come in occasionally and get us another beer and more chips. 🙂

  89. What I advocate is self-policing.

    A nice word for censorship. A political correct word for fascism.

    You know Graychin – like you do at the One and Half Useful Idiots Blog. Self police – where magically comments from the self-policing somehow always fall on the conservative bent due to technical issues.

  90. I willingly admit this has become almost by accident the boys club.

    It’s no accident. Not even “almost.”

    The gaggle of women go to the kitchen and talk kids or clothes or life – their husbands gather around the TV, drink beer, and cuss at the football screen, debating which team is better.

    Kids, clothes, life? How many stereotypes can you fit in one sentence. Women don’t like to talk about politics – the usual subject here? Not true. If you ever talked listened to women, you would know that.

  91. I think you have to dislike and / or resent women to talk like that. Mommy issues?

    Rabbit, did I tell you invariably it falls on the Beta male to make such claims? Police the blog, mommy issues, and the like?

    You know what I think this blog needs Rutherford? It needs Fake to teach a Sexual Harassment class like they do in corporate America. She’s perfect. And Graychin can be the old, avuncular H.R. manager who puts his hand on Fake’s shoulder (he’s no sexual threat) for comfort.

    😈

  92. lol……damn…..Greychin and fakename….my comment was a joke lampooning overt sexism.

    When I posted it, I told myself, “These guys are actually so thin skinned and one dimensional they will probably be outraged over it. And I was right!

    Dude….I said I have a hairy tongue. The joke was ultimately on me you weanies.

  93. “Self-policing” is “A nice word for censorship. A political correct word for fascism.”

    ??????????????????

    It’s the polar opposite. It’s what “free market” types advocate in place of government regulation of… whatever.

    Have you completely lost your bearings because of a female presence?

  94. lol…..when I was in Clinton’s military….we must have watched a 100 sexual harassment videos. The acting so bad, it would have a hundred sailors and Marines falling out of their chairs laughing.

  95. Um Gray,

    Kids, clothes, life? How many stereotypes can you fit in one sentence. Women don’t like to talk about politics – the usual subject here? Not true. If you ever talked listened to women, you would know that.

    See we all lend our unique perspective. And being that you’re married to one of those nags on the rebound who happened to get lucky enough to meet a lily, doesn’t change the fact that most women I know think politics and blogging are a monumental waste of time.

    Real women watch TV for entertainment – not to listen to Rachel Maddow for gospel. They don’t know who Rachel Maddow is, nor would they care to know her and would find her an anathema to womanhood. They don’t portray Sarah Palin as representative either, but they damn sure know what she’s talking about and will vote accordingly.

  96. “my comment was a joke lampooning overt sexism.”

    Hilarious.

    It’s the same excuse that guys always give when brought up on sexual harassment charges. “Geez – I was just kidding. Can’t these thin-skinned feminazis take a joke?”

    I’d recommend that you watch that clever sense of humor of yours when you’re at school.

    Hostile blog environment. No wonder the Rutherford Lawson Blog is a boy’s club – “NO GIRLZ ALOWD” painted on wall outside.

  97. lol….. the only bragging I’ve ever seen on here worse then my own “teaching” boasts was the manly Greychin bragging about how he chops wood. It conjured up every bad montage of an 80’s soap opera. The piano music. The aqua velvet man. The lone woman staring in the woods. He can’t be a beta…can he?

  98. “It’s the same excuse that guys always give when brought up on sexual harassment charges. “Geez – I was just kidding. Can’t these thin-skinned feminazis take a joke?”-Greychin

    You can’t possibly be a real person.

  99. lol….. the only bragging I’ve ever seen on here worse then my own “teaching” boasts was the manly Greychin bragging about how he chops wood. It conjured up every bad montage of an 80′s soap opera. The piano music. The aqua velvet man.

    ** GUFFAW **

    At least he smells good while he chops.

    Can’t you imagine some older gal, staring out her lake house window thinking…

    “What a man – a lumberjack and Old Spice all in one! Ooh lala!!

  100. How much of a pussy does a man have to be to think the following is a slap at women?

    “Real women watch TV for entertainment…… etc. etc. etc.” Keep digging, Tex. You’re doing great.

    It’s now verboten for men to make a statement of “real women” watch TV to be entertained? That too has been deemed sexist? 😐 Hell, I actually met that as a compliment to real women who actually have a life. I guess Graychin doesn’t know any women who have a real life.

    I can assure you my wife would much prefer to watch ‘Amazing Race’ or a movie on TV than she would listen to Butch Maddow bloviate about the “supposed” machinations of the Chamber of Commerce.

    Man Aqua Velvet, you do have a predilection for the “profound sensitivities.” I’ll bet you were the type of boss that everyone had to walk on eggshells around and created a horrid environment. Likability issues? Is that why you sold out?

  101. Graychin, Yes…again 🙂 How ignorant must we be not to recognize that Rabbit was “kidding”? Ha ha, now I get it. And Tex? I’m rying to picture myself in the kitchen talking about kids and food. Here’s a beer…now will you shut the hell up?

  102. fakename….

    Be your own judge of your buddy Greychin’s character.

    I ultimatly let him off the hook…he did appologize. However, take special care to see Greychin’s response AFTER he relaized he was dealing with family members of the deceased.

    Again…be your own judge. Should Greychin really be lecturing us about what is and isn’t appropriate in a forum?

    http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=298&articleid=20090329_298_0_MIAMIA903993

  103. I almost didn’t read it, because to an extent, I don’t have time to research your every move and comment. I judge you by your comments here, and whatever you choose to reveal. But I did read it, and see no evidence that Graychin’s comment or opinions here are discredited. You, on the other hand, elected to make a vulgar and disgusting comment to me, which I neither elicited nor deserved. You should apologize, but believe me, I’m not holding my breath. You have a unique, insider perspective on education that I’m inclined to listen to. Except when you trash me for no reason. Your message gets lost.

  104. I’m rying to picture myself in the kitchen talking about kids and food. Here’s a beer…now will you shut the hell up?

    I’m trying to picture myself standing in your bedroom feeling completely unsatisfied, with you trying desperately to get your stiletto hells unstuck from your hoop earrings.

  105. Rats!

    I was looking forward to Black = White’s explanation of why the Commerce Clause is inapplicable to interstate food shipments, and of why the Food and Drug Administration is unconstitutional.

    Maybe he’ll stop by later and explain.

  106. Rofl…stiletto heels and hoop earrings. No wonder you don’t have a job.
    Tex pictures me as one of the witches in Macbeth. I picture him as a guy with a well-thumbed copy of Roget’s next to the computer, looking for synonyms for “bitch”.

  107. I just told my sister-in-law about my hairy tongue comment and some woman claiming to be offended on the internet because of sexism. She couldn’t stop laughing over both the comment and the fact grown ups like myself get into internet battles online. So, she was kind of laughing at me.

    We both agreed that fakename is into cartoons. Cartoon outrage over a cartoon comment.

  108. Rofl…stiletto heels and hoop earrings. No wonder you don’t have a job. Tex pictures me as one of the witches in Macbeth.

    I don’t picture you as as some witch from MacBeth. I was just teasing about the stilettos and hoop earrings, – it just sounded humorous at the moment.

    Because I don’t think you could attract a man with a hundred dollar bill taped to your naked ass while holding a steak dinner. No need for the thesaurus.

    The holder of a worthless college degree reserved for those bad at math, which got you into corporate America in a low level position. And that’s your ticket to paradise, hey? There you will remain as the resident harpy and man hater for the remainder of your miserable existence. Didn’t take long from a perusing of your freakish blog to figure that much out.

    Cracks me up that you and Graychin continue to resort to referring to me as the “unemployed” You must think I spent several years part time for entrance to med school on my own dime because I was poor? Okay, you pegged me. I divide my time between commenting on Rutherford’s blog and actively seeking employment in some job a trained monkey (like you) does day in and day out? 🙂

    Nah, Fake. There’s countless of spinsters out there like you whose life revolves around their pets. And that’s okay – until my pup was killed this summer, I was there with you except weekends. And I was perfectly comfortable with that. I miss him. And when the time is right, I’ll get another after my kids graduate. Losing my three pals over the last 19 months was almost even more than a nasty piece of work like me could bear.

  109. FN – Obviously Tex is trying to tell you that he doesn’t welcome your kind here.

    Your kind? 😐 I dearly luv Fake’s posts. She’s added so much.

    I think she secretly has a crush on me. 😉

  110. Rats!

    I was looking forward to Black = White’s explanation of why the Commerce Clause is inapplicable to interstate food shipments, and of why the Food and Drug Administration is unconstitutional.

    Maybe he’ll stop by later and explain.

    Before you break your arm patting yourself on the back, I was at church, and had family stuff to deal with after.

    I never said that the FDA was unconstitutional, I asked where the authority for it came from. And your answer about the Commerce Clause? Well, unlike Congress, you can be forgiven for your ignorance. Congress, as an elected body sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution? Not so much.

    The reason for the inclusion of the Commerce Clause in the ennumerated powers was to remedy not just a weakness, but a serious problem of the Articles of Confederation, which arose when the various states started imposeing tariffs on each other’s products. The idea of the Commerce Clause was to prevent such acts which frustrated the purpose of Union.

    Several States have endeavored, by separate prohibitions, restrictions, and exclusions, to influence the conduct of that kingdom in this particular, but the want of concert, arising from the want of a general authority and from clashing and dissimilar views in the State, has hitherto frustrated every experiment of the kind, and will continue to do so as long as the same obstacles to a uniformity of measures continue to exist.

    The interfering and unneighborly regulations of some States, contrary to the true spirit of the Union, have, in different instances, given just cause of umbrage and complaint to others, and it is to be feared that examples of this nature, if not restrained by a national control, would be multiplied and extended till they became not less serious sources of animosity and discord than injurious impediments to the intcrcourse between the different parts of the Confederacy. “The commerce of the German empire [2] is in continual trammels from the multiplicity of the duties which the several princes and states exact upon the merchandises passing through their territories, by means of which the fine streams and navigable rivers with which Germany is so happily watered are rendered almost useless.” Though the genius of the people of this country might never permit this description to be strictly applicable to us, yet we may reasonably expect, from the gradual conflicts of State regulations, that the citizens of each would at length come to be considered and treated by the others in no better light than that of foreigners and aliens.

    The Federalist 22, Hamliton

    It was not intended to intrude on state power, nor was it believed that the Federal Government could meaningfully substitute its own judgment for that of the states in such matters, as Madison pointed out in the Federalist 56:

    What are to be the objects of federal legislation? Those which are of most importance, and which seem most to require local knowledge, are commerce, taxation, and the militia.

    A proper regulation of commerce requires much information, as has been elsewhere remarked; but as far as this information relates to the laws and local situation of each individual State, a very few representatives would be very sufficient vehicles of it to the federal councils.

    The idea that the Commerce Clause applied to whatever the Federal Government said it does didn’t take root until the SCOTUS rejected its application in New Deal Legistation on the basis that any service or product you could name had an effect on interstate commerce, and FDR responded with his plan to pack the Court.

    It is only in recent years when the Court has stood for the premise that it there really are somethings that cannot be regulated under the Commerce Clause, namely guns in school zones (Lopez v. United States-1995) and making violence against women a federal crime (Morrison v. United States-2000).

    It was never intended to give the government authority over goods and services; it was to address the uneven application of state laws and tarriffs preventing the free movement of goods and services between the various states, or using such measures to curry favor with foreign powers to the detriment of the nation as a whole. This was because the states were always intended to be equal sovereigns, not subservient fiefdoms, which is why the states, and not the people, selected the Senate, which was to be a check on Federal Power, and meant to make sure that these co-equal sovereigns were represented in the Federal Government. The gutting of these protections by Progressives with the passage of the 17th Amendment paved the way to a government which frequently ignores the bounds placed on it by the Ninth and Tenth Amendments.

  111. OK – so I think you said in all that verbiage that the Commerce Clause does NOT authorize federal regulation of safety of food shipped interstate. You also said that the FDA is not unconstitutional. So you belittled me for my forgivable ignorance, but didn’t give me the “correct” answer to your question.

    If not the Commerce Clause, what DOES give Congress the authority to create the FDA and to regulate Iowa eggs shipped around the country?

    I’m not putting down your knowledge of the Constitution and the law, but would you agree that your interpretation of such is often kind of “out there”? WAY out there? It sure seems so to me. That doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re wrong. Just that a mere mortal like myself can’t really hope to understand these unusual interpretations of the Constitution that seem to have eluded the mainstream of legal thought.

  112. unusual interpretations of the Constitution

    so unusual that the two men most responsible for it stated such interpretations plainly

    that seem to have eluded the mainstream of legal thought

    No, just the progressive streams of political thought. There are times when I think it would be amusing to have them comment on what they see today, not that you would ever believe that it is your views, not mine, that are “radical”, even coming from the Framers themselves.

    If not the Commerce Clause, what DOES give Congress the authority to create the FDA and to regulate Iowa eggs shipped around the country?

    The egg recall, like the one they requested from the Estella Family Creamery was voluntary. They had to get a court order in order to seize all the product.

  113. Rabbit. I can’t tell you how impressed I am that your sister-in-law agrees with you. Did you happen to mention to her your use of the wod “cunny”?
    Language you would never use with your wife/daugher/mother/sister, you think is okay to use with a woman you don’t even know? I call that a personal foul.

  114. Language you would never use with your wife/daugher/mother/sister, you think is okay to use with a woman you don’t even know?

    Who knew Graychin was a woman? She had me fooled.

  115. Fakeness,

    Some people are way too sensitive about their masculinity if you ask me.

    Is this from the woman who was offended about her own femininity by a stranger’s suggesting that you’re Graychin with smaller titties? I thought you were supposed to be so tough? So smart? So savvy? The original liberated woman (without a man)?

    Or the fact you accused Rabbit of using “cunny” when in reality, he was talking to the insufferable Graychin and not you. Or worried about what other women might think?

    And you really want to talk about my masculine sensitivities? Is that a joke?

  116. Cunny was directed towards Greychin. So, try again. You’re pretty desperate to play the victim. Its almost like Dungeon and Dragons role play with you. Go on an anonymous forum and act hurt because you read a dirty word, even going as far as to pretend it was directed at you. Your an odd one.

  117. “In my armchair psychology sort of way, it seems to me that all the humans involved here have psychological abnormalities of one form or another; mostly an inability to detect the difference between reality and wishful thinking.” -the fakester

    I agree. You’ve proved that tonight.

  118. Tex, I try very hard not to engage you directly, but okay, I give 🙂 Is it okay to use the word “cunny” in any context? I’m perfectly aware that Rabbit was referring to Graychin. So, that makes it acceptable?
    And really…you have created a picture of me in your head. Complete with a picture of my appearance and my lifestyle that fits your hope for me. You know, dessicated, man-hating, etc. Lonely, no friends. You made this up, Tex. For needs of your own. It isn’t me…it’s what you need me to be for your own puposes.

  119. Your existence here pretty much amounts to you constantly nagging on us for being crass. You even nag Rutherford. Take a fucking hike or hang out with us. But, what the hell?

    Ps…if your going to lecture me on the implications of the loaded word “nagging” please realize that will be more effing nagging.

  120. Ah, Rabbit, I’m impressed that you visited my irrelevant blog. You still owe an apology. You don’t get to claim the high road when the best you can do is use the word “cunny”. I’ll repeat that I was inclined to listen to you…but if you have no more control than this…I have to rethink.

  121. Me take the high road? I’m not sure what you’re referring to. Inclined to listen to me? Wow. I can’t believe I blew my opportunity.

  122. Sinclair Lewis days?

    I think you mean Upton Sinclair, progressive author of The Jungle…an expose’ of the meat packing industry, Babbitt, and others.

    Sinclair Lewis was also an author, but he kept it confined to popular novels, several of which were made into movies, like the outstanding Elmer Gantry and one of my favorites, Doddsworth. Also a script so awful, even Ronald Coleman could not save it, Arrowsmith

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0507760/

  123. Is it okay to use the word “cunny” in any context?

    Surely you don’t expect me to have sympathy for a ‘woman’ without any discernible talent who condescends as repeatedly and consistently as you do? I’ve never met any female as patronizing, vapid and vile as Graychin until I had the displeasure of making your company. Ask Graychin.

    I’m perfectly aware that Rabbit was referring to Graychin. So, that makes it acceptable?

    No you didn’t. You were confused, like you always are. Either you are stupid, a pitiful liar, or you think Graychin is a woman.

    Two out of three ain’t bad.

    Language you would never use with your wife/daugher/mother/sister, you think is okay to use with a woman you don’t even know? ~ Fakename2

  124. You boys and girls were damn busy on Halloween … I guess no trick or treating for you guys today.

    I’ve still got 50 comments to read through (after having read about 40 of them). I’m going to bed.

    HAPPY HALLOWEEN!!!!!!!!!!!!

  125. unusual interpretations of the Constitution

    “so unusual that the two men most responsible for it stated such interpretations plainly.”

    Usual: accordant with usage, custom, or habit : normal
    : commonly or ordinarily used
    : found in ordinary practice or in the ordinary course of events : ordinary

    I don’t think that the opinions of two men dead for 200 years or so qualify your interpretation of the Commerce Clause as “usual” in the sense in which the word is “usually” understood. Therefore I’m going to stick with my opinion that your interpretations are “unusual.” VERY unusual.

    This, you see, is the problem with your approach to Constitutional law. To you, selling of food across state lines does not qualify as “interstate commerce” because…

    Would normal people reading a simple sentence consider trade across state lines to be “interstate commerce”? This is “plain language” if it ever existed. Aren’t you engaged in a mighty stretch here? Aren’t you looking for a way for the law to fit your conclusion, rather than for a conclusion based on the law.

    If not the Commerce Clause, what DOES give Congress the authority to create the FDA and to regulate Iowa eggs shipped around the country?

    “The egg recall, like the one they requested from the Estella Family Creamery was voluntary. They had to get a court order in order to seize all the product.”

    Um – I don’t believe that this answer was responsive to the question of where Congress’ authority to create the FDA comes from if not from the Commerce Clause.

    Earlier you said “I never said that the FDA was unconstitutional, I asked where the authority for it came from.” You didn’t say that the FDA was unconstitutional, and you didn’t say that it IS constitutional. So which is it? I’d really like to hear your opinion, given your extraordinarily narrow interpretation of the Commerce clause.. Surely you aren’t just being evasive….

    (Maybe the third time will be the charm.)

  126. Um – I don’t believe that this answer was responsive to the question of where Congress’ authority to create the FDA comes from if not from the Commerce Clause.

    You could always do some research yourself. You might surpise yourself and learn that the two don’t have the connection you presume.

  127. You boys and girls were damn busy on Halloween … I guess no trick or treating for you guys today.

    I’m so ashamed. Since my youngest left for college, after 20+ years of handing out candy, I retired.

    Two years ago, I had a somewhat bad experience with a couple of thugs way too old to be out trick or treating. This one literally stepped over and then on a young child to try and empty the bowl that my daughter was letting small children have their pick.

    My wife is one of these friendly neighborhood moms that goes way overboard and we end up handing it out by the handfuls. The later the evening, the more they get because I don’t need it (except the tootsie rolls).

    Anyway, he didn’t see dad standing beside the door. I’m guessing he was 14 or 15, as was his pal. He was too young to be smacked around, too old to be trick or treating. His punishment was to give the little one some of his candy, which I let the child pick from his bag. Bastard, aren’t I? A net negative candy pickup from the Taylor house.

    Anyway, so much for doing that crap anymore. So I hid in the bedroom with the lights off tonight, wasting time on this blog fighting with Fake before I perused her blog so that the next time she starts insulting, she’s going to get blasted. It’s worse than I imagined. 😆

    You’re smart to not volunteer too much personal information here “R”.

  128. B =W

    I can only conclude that you believe the FDA to be unconstitutional, and are embarrassed to say so lest we all (even your buddies here) conclude that you are batshit crazy and have too tenuous a grasp on reality to be an effective legal counsel.

    I have no background in law. My only legal skill is the ability to read and understand plain English. Like the phrase Interstate Commerce.

    I know a hopeless cause when I see one. Getting a straight answer out of you is one of them.

  129. As I drifted off to sleep last night, I recalled an equally silly re-definition of plain English by our friend Black = White, way back on June 26:

    “there is no indication that the radical reconstructionist Congress in the wake of the civil war would have meant “person” to be applied to non-citizens…”

    https://threesurethingsoflife.wordpress.com/2010/06/26/name-that-court-case-and-justice/

    The discussion was about whether or not the following text from the 14th Amendment applies to non-citizens:

    “nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws “

    Black = White argued that the word “person” did not include non-citizens. Even though the 14th Amendment begins with this sentence:

    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

    The Congress didn’t understand the difference between “persons” and “citizens”?

    I admit that the man is a gifted contortionist, but things like words can only be twisted and stretched so far before they become completely meaningless.

    Like the word “usual” meaning “conforming to something two men wrote over 200 years ago.

    Like the word “person” not including non-citizens.

    Like the phrase “Interstate Commerce” not including trade in food shipped across state lines.

    God help us all if the advocates of Originalism ever gain the ability to re-write the Constitution for us. They don’t want to the original Constitution. They want to re-write it to their liking.

    Unusual = usual.
    Person ╪ non-citizen
    Up = down
    Forwards = backwards
    Black = white

  130. Testing, testing….Sorry Rutherford. Experimenting here. Need my favorite “Lib” blogger’s site for one small second.

  131. I can only conclude that you believe the FDA to be unconstitutional, and are embarrassed to say so lest we all (even your buddies here) conclude that you are batshit crazy and have too tenuous a grasp on reality to be an effective legal counsel.

    I can only conclude that either basic internet research skills like those my 10 year old uses for school are beyond you, or that yo are too afraid that taking the time to actually learn something from the words of the Framers themselves (The Federalist Papers), actual history, (in the form of actual court cases that are easily accessed for free through internet search engines), and the laguage of the statues themselves, also available for free on the internet, might actually prove your worldview to be incorrect.

    I actually suspect that it is the latter, based on your utterly subjective reliance on the “plain words” of some parts of the Constitution and not others. Well, that and the truism that you can’t teach old dogs new tricks…like actually learning and thinking for themselves.

  132. Tex, you’ve commented here and over at Alfie’s about how you plan to cut back on blog commenting.

    Just curious … you’re not pulling a ChenZhen are you? Fighting the good fight up to the election and then bailing when the governing part starts? Perhaps even you cannot bear to see how the new GOP House f*cks things up? 😉

  133. Perhaps even you cannot bear to see how the new GOP House f*cks things up?

    😈 😈 😈

    When the new GOP majority Congress also gets a fascist for President with an “R” behind my name, then we can talk about f***ing things up on par with El Bongo. If I happen to disappear from this blog if that happens in two years, you’ll know I died.

    Because tomorrow, the American public is going to voice its displeasure about Broke MaObama, his agenda, his incompetence, his bullying tactics, and his abject stupidity. They have deemed him unfit for Presidency. He would flunk as office manager of a parking lot. Right Fake?

    If I had my druthers, we would be frogmarching him in handcuffs to be cast out on 16 Penn on his head, with his wife kicked in the behind out the gate for the damage they have caused our great Republic. And we’ll keep the dog, because it looks like the Obamas are unfit for dog owner.

    No, I simply decided if I am to regain a purpose in life, 2011 would be the time. I find this unfulfilling.

    I sympathize to a degree with Alfie, though I found his post self-righteous and somewhat hypocritical, because there is no doubt after two years we’ve all become a little stale with each other. It’s simply time to move on. Two election cycles is my max.

    But I’ll still be around to harass, harangue, and bad mouth you. Mainly because I like you and find you a wonderfully talented and woefully misguided author.

  134. Tex and Rabbit …. the product is called Aqua Velva … not Aqua Velvet. Do I need to vet all your insults for you?

    That’s why I most often use Obama to insult. Nothing needs vetting, as any and all insults always correct.

    It’s The Rabbit’s fault – I used Old Spice as my insult and I know I’m right on that – brought back childhood memories of my grandfather shaving. Obviously, Rabbit and I are not frequent Aqua “VELVA” users.

  135. Especially since Velva is a pun on Vulva. I looked it up and it’s french meaning “shaggy.” 😆

    Water shaggy vulva…I can see how it would soothe.

  136. Alfie wrote a blog post today in which, without naming names, he dissed my blog for its deteriorating comments threads. I have to admit, looking at this one, I see his point. What a waste of intelligence going back and forth with misogynist humor and Hannibal Lecter psychoanalysis.

    Well I have no one to blame but myself. I write so few articles per week that the comment threads grow beyond their usefulness and idle minds become the devil’s workshop (Tex … is that from the Bible?)

  137. BiW you have indeed dodged the question and in a most wimpy way, telling Gray to go do “research”. Give me a break.

    You said that the FDA was not unconstitutional. Now in plain English (as Gray says) that means it is constitutional. So, the question remains, how do you constitutionally defend the existence of the FDA if not via the commerce clause?

    I too await your answer.

  138. Rutherford –

    B = W wasn’t even THAT I believe his most concrete statement on the subject was that he “didn’t say that the FDA is unconstitutional.” Didn’t say it isn’t, didn’t say it is.

    But he REALLY doesn’t like using the Commerce Clause to let the FDA into the law. Apparently quite a few zany right-wing legal types have a burr in their butts about the Commerce Clause.

    An even thinner reed for constitutionality would be the “promote the general welfare” clause in the preamble. Based on that, what would NOT be constitutional?

    That would make even Obamacare fully constitutional. 😀

  139. Alfie wrote a blog post today in which, without naming names, he dissed my blog for its deteriorating comments threads.

    Didn’t name names? Hell, he named about all of us by name.

    By the way as I read today, you’re whining to me about being close to poor street and you and your Mrs. are driving the two high end German cars?

    Ferrari out of your budget, or something? 🙂

  140. The Commerce Clause is one of the most abused premises in the US Constitution.

    We have a right to be concerned and skeptical of any claim made by the left that invokes the Commerce Clause.

  141. idle minds become the devil’s workshop.

    It’s not from the Bible.

    Neither is my favorite non-Biblical Biblical quotation:

    “The Lord helps those who help themselves.”

  142. “The Lord helps those who help themselves.”

    Your favorite? Ironic in the sense that nearly EVERYTHING you espouse runs in direct confrontation with this statement…

  143. “The Lord helps those who help themselves.”

    It is if you believe helping themselves means trusting the Lord – and I do. And it does – numerous times.

    Psalms 37:40 The LORD helps them and delivers them; He delivers them from the wicked and saves them because they take refuge in him.

    Contrast that with the Dimocratic Party motto that says: The government helps those who won’t help themselves

    vs. The Bible which says:

    If anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either. For we hear that some among you are leading an undisciplined life, doing no work at all, but acting like busybodies.

    I think God was talking to you and me Graychin. 🙂 Did you fast today?

  144. I think God was talking to you more than me – “doing no work at all, but acting like a busybody.” I toiled in the vineyard for my allotted time.

    “Gray hair is a crown of splendor; it is attained by a righteous life.”
    Proverbs 16:31

    And I got my gray hair really early! 😀

  145. “R”,

    Before I make myself less frequent, and this is of course preliminary because I don’ t necessarily believe polling but I know you and Bongo pushing the agenda is toast, let me say this on your behalf.

    You may have been ahead of your time, by accident of course. 😈

    When I dredged up your “Whig” post from a year ago, it is very possible that Republicans could go the way of the Whigs – just not for the reasons you thought. And I don’t want to hurt your feelings, but I really do think I have a better handle on what the real message of 2008 was – I always did think that my friend. You guys overplayed your hand and you lost – I think big time. We’ll see.

    I knew the country wasn’t left like you and Graychin thought. That’s Europe, not America. Where you could be right is I think America will give Repubicans one term to do it right this time. Because this country is at its heart conservative. They won’ t be able to do much, but the agenda they push must stay on message. And the message isn’t impeach Obama; that’s the Tex message.

    The message is to stop liberalism in its tracks.

    It is possible that a party of unknown name (Tea Party won’t do) will challenge the Republican party, and I believe it would win in 2012, thereby granting numb nuts another term. But the time for progressive politics is over with for at least a generation.

    Perhaps this comment meets Alfie’s standards? 🙂

  146. I think God was talking to you more than me – “doing no work at all, but acting like a busybody.” I toiled in the vineyard for my allotted time.

    Does toiling on your mother’s driveway holding a power washing wand count? If not, I’ll fast again this evening. Actually Graychin, I actually stay pretty busy. Yesterday, I installed a new toilet for my widow neighbor. I know this sounds crazy to you, but I stay pretty busy. And when I’m not busy, I’m here and only because Mrs. Tex is in Texas.

    “Gray hair is a crown of splendor; it is attained by a righteous life.” Proverbs 16:31

    Not bad – you’re getting better with application but I think that’s supposed to applicable to wisdom – you still have a ways. I have maybe three grays hair on my head, therefore little splendor. 😛

  147. Anybody watch David Stockton, former Reagan economic adviser last night on 60 minutes? I’d heard it before, but he made some interesting points – including where Tex gets off the Republican bus.

    Can’t believe some of the hardcores here from the Left haven’t been all over it.

  148. Rutherford, I know you absolutely abhor Mr. Elric. But I don’t care what you think, he finds the absolute most hilarious stuff showing just how dumb many liberals really. Want a demonstration?

  149. I been meaning to ask you propeller heads from the Left a question. I’ve been noticing this sign all Liberals think really clever.

    It says Kochsucker? What’s wrong with Coke sucker?

    Do you guys prefer Pepsi? Or is it that we should be drinking green tea and water? Is this like a tofu kick again? You guys are just so healthy.

  150. Rutherford, I think our low brow comments reflect the inner Sensico that shined through on this particular blog post.

    It was some sophomoric analysis.

    At least Greychin and BiC are having a serious debate on the Constitution.

    You gave us some dumb dumb shit on what would happen if taxes were completely eradicated.

  151. By the way as I read today, you’re whining to me about being close to poor street and you and your Mrs. are driving the two high end German cars?

    Ahhhh, the good old days my friend, the good old days. Both cars paid for. One (if you noticed) more than 10 years old, the other bought “pre-owned” (LOL I love how “used” got replaced by pre-owned.)

    All the cars should tell you Tex is just how far the mighty have fallen. 😉

  152. Rutherford, I think our low brow comments reflect the inner Sensico that shined through on this particular blog post.

    It was some sophomoric analysis.

    😆

    Yeah Rutherford. It’s your fault. It’s always your fault. Can’t you pen a Sarah Palin bash for tomorrow just for old times sake? Something really dynamic before I watch Rachel and Keith. I’ve got the recorder set so I can catch every word. I’ll skip FOX and become an MSNBC supporter for one evening. I expect hemorrhaging throughout the show.

    Rachel will get the smug look. But Olbermann? I expect him to be biting the desk about this time tomorrow night. Should be great stuff.

    This was one of your lamer attempts at significance “R”. I haven’t seen a bigger clunker since Cash for Clunkers. Give us some meat (virtual meat) in the next post.

  153. LOL I love how “used” got replaced by pre-owned.)

    Isn’t that the truth? Two years ago, I gave serious thought to buying a used but newer Honda Accord (we’ve now owned four of them and had good luck) for my wife. My wife goes miles like I go through posting crap on your blog. I took a look at their two year “pre-owned” models.

    The price ranged anywhere between $2-4K less than a brand new model. I kid you not. I asked the salesman, “Why in my right mind would I pay you $21K for a used model with 30,000 miles, when I can buy a new one for with no miles for $25K and a bumper to bumper warranty?”

    His answer (and I kid you not), “These go through our 357 point checkup.”

    I went home and sent out a couple of emails and two hours later bought a new one over the net for $25K with all the bells and whistles.

  154. LOL I didn’t think Elric had it in him. That Keynesian video was hilarious. Why do you think I keep telling my radio co-host that she constantly overestimates the intelligence of the average American.

    Tomorrow’s verdict (which you can agree vis-a-vis 2008) is that we get the leaders we deserve. 😉

  155. When we bought the used BMW I went against some serious Lawson tradition. Even though my Mom eventually bought a used car, my Dad would have nothing of it. He did not trust used cars. I may only be guessing, but I think on the so-called “luxury” cars, buying used does save you a boat load of money. Are they cheap? Of course not, but sometimes a few thousand dollars savings is worth it.

  156. Hey Rabbit … please do us a favor and don’t buy the f*cking farm. I’m just getting past HippieProf. I don’t need you pulling a James Dean.

    And yes I’m scolding you. Now go ahead and call me a harpie. 🙂

  157. Yeah Tex it’s David Stockman. I still have a NYT piece written by him sitting in my browser from a couple of months ago that I haven’t gotten around to reading. I think a lot of folks from the Reagan admin are laughing at the current GOP. In fact, I’d wager ole Ronnie himself is up there having a real knee slapper over the current crop of crazies.

    Of course, nowadays, Reagan is a RINO, right? 🙂

  158. Well folks, I’m off to bed relatively early tonight. Perhaps it is a harbinger of an ass-whooping tomorrow but my stomach is in knots, my eyes are scratchy and I have a slight headache.

    Then again, maybe it’s because I went trick-or-treating with my daughter yesterday in a 35 degree wind-chill?

    You can expect my next article on Wednesday, in which I spin the election results to suit my warped liberal mind. 👿

  159. I own anAcura that was top of the line Japanese ten years ago. That’s not a Mercedes, but it’s close. I bought new only cause I knew I would drive it until the wheels fell off (we have).

    I think you’re right. Before private college tuition put a stake in the heart of luxury items, I almost bought a “pre-owned” Lexus 430 for my wife – and I damn sure wasn’t going to pay new price on that.

    I think you’re right on the expensive automobiles – buying new “pre-owned” 🙂 is the only way to go. I bought a real “hot rod” 20 years ago on a car that in 1990 cost $45K from a doctor. I bought it for 19.9K, drove it for 10,000 miles and sold it for 18.5. No kid could afford it, and the only adults interested were mid-life crisis types. He got desperate to get rid of it. That’s the way to buy a car and not get ripped off.

    A funny….

    Driving it home, I dropped the clutch. I was on the interstate with no cars in site behind me. It was one of those December nights with road kind of moist. I turned the SOB 180 degrees before I could get control, the heart rate at about 220. I was actually facing the wrong way on the interstate. I drove home at about 8 mph and never pulled that stunt again.

  160. I hit a deer going 70 mph. Car totaled and one of my 9 lives used up.

    Tonight? Sheet…hitting a deer at that speed is like hitting a brick wall. An old work friend damn near died hitting a deer out in Western Oklahoma. Totaled the truck.

  161. I been meaning to ask you propeller heads from the Left a question. I’ve been noticing this sign all Liberals think really clever.

    It says Kochsucker? What’s wrong with Coke sucker?

    In the unlikely event that you are really this dumb and not just playing dumb, the term “Kochsucker” that has become popular among lefties was coined to honor the Koch brothers – Charles and David. Their money is pulling the strings behind the “grass roots” Tea Part movement.

    Know your benefactors! They’re buying America with oil revenues that they stole from Indian leases.

    What could be more American and patriotic than that? 😀

  162. At least Greychin and BiC are having a serious debate on the Constitution.

    Not exactly. B = W isn’t holding up his end of the “debate.” He’s usually good for a filibuster, but he has become strangely silent for some odd reason.

  163. In the unlikely event that you are really this dumb and not just playing dumb, the term “Kochsucker” that has become popular among lefties was coined to honor the Koch brothers – Charles and David. Their money is pulling the strings behind the “grass roots” Tea Part movement.

    In the likely event that you really are this dumb, The Koch brother’s last name is pronounced COKE – hence, I assume you guys are big soda pop drinkers. 😉

    Oh, I’m well aware of what it’s supposed to represent, as the left had to dream up something to offset the wicked devil Soros. The Koch brothers make the latest target.

    But like so many things libs attempt, this one doesn’t make any sense either.

  164. Graychin,

    I’ll give you Obama fans one thing. Obama did one thing indisputably right – he picked Jolting Joe Biden for his backup.

    Because if there is anybody that can make Obama look better, it’s Joe Biden.

    Today, I understand Jolting Joe drew about 200 to a rally. And before it was over, as Joe droned on, about 1/4 of the crowd had left.

    Now that is a successful strategy…

  165. Of course, nowadays, Reagan is a RINO, right? 🙂

    ABSOLUTELY right. Ronald Reagan couldn’t win a Republican primary in 2010. Even Christine O’Donnell could take out the Patron Saint of the “Party of Grant” if he were running for office today. 😀

    It is possible that a party of unknown name (Tea Party won’t do) will challenge the Republican party, and I believe it would win in 2012, thereby granting numb nuts another term. But the time for progressive politics is over with for at least a generation.

    I agree with half of that paragraph. I think that the Republican Party soon will be the first domino in a major re-alignment of American political parties. There are too many internal contradictions there for them to hold together. How will the Corporatist John Boehner manage to keep his caucus together with those Tea Party flakes determined to shake things up?

    I expect the Tea Party movement to solidify and become a “True Conservative” party (with the help of Koch money), splitting off from the Corporatist Republicans. When that happens, Dan Boren and his ilk will probably join the remains of the present Republicans, now known as the Corporatist Party.

    The Democratic Party has been around since Jefferson, and I expect it to continue its lineage of the world’s oldest political party as the Progressive Party.

    Progressiveism will never die in America – that’s nonsense. Neither will reactionary conservatism which is in its periodic ascendence right now. They are at opposite ends of the pendulum, yin to the other’s yang. And the pendulum swings back and forth very quickly these days, much faster than a whole generation. Karl Rove predicted a permanent Republican majority after 2004. I’ll bet Tex did too. What happened? That damn pendulum hit you in the butt, didn’t it? 😀

    I think that the breakdown of the traditional two-party system is the best thing that could happen to American politics. What if we had a left-wing party, a right-wing party, and a centerist party, and no one had a majority in either house of Congress? Representatives from the wing parties might have to start actually talking with and dealing with members of the centerist party to build coalitions. Inter-party communication died in 1994 with the take-no-prisoners Gingrich revolution. Three viable parties would bring it back.

    Jon Stewart is right. Wouldn’t some civility in government be a welcome change? But it won’t happen during the next two years, and maybe not even in the next decade until the realignment settles in.

  166. Those of you who think that Obama won’t be re-elected in 2012 – who do you think can run against him successfully?

    Isn’t your bench awfully thin? Isn’t that a problem for you?

  167. Karl Rove predicted a permanent Republican majority after 2004. I’ll bet Tex did too. What happened? That damn pendulum hit you in the butt, didn’t it?

    Would have hit me in the butt if I had ever made such a boast. I didn’t. Of course, you told me in Nov. 2008 that the Republican party would become a regional party. Stick around for 24 hours and watch your dream vanish in less than two years.

    I did not say Progressivism would die. I said this:

    Before I make myself less frequent, and this is of course preliminary because I don’ t necessarily believe polling but I know you and Bongo pushing the agenda is toast, let me say this on your behalf.

    Unless the rapture comes, you’ll be dead by the time progressivism becomes relevant again. About 16 years on average during my lifetime. Either way, you’re toast. 🙂

    And to the fact that you say Reagan couldn’t get elected again is laughable. We are actively seeking the next Reagan to nominate and it is his name that is mentioned again and again as the standard bearer.

    Those of you who think that Obama won’t be re-elected in 2012 – who do you think can run against him successfully?

    Isn’t your bench awfully thin? Isn’t that a problem for you?

    Thin? I would say the problem isn’t thin, but who starts at quarterback. Who can reach above the rest. That’s the most difficult question. I can name at least ten names that are far more appealing that Obama, smarter more polished than Obama, far more credentialed than Obama, and none of them over 60. I’ll be happy to do that tomorrow if you wish.

    I think what you need to worry about is that it appears it is your party that lacks depth. Obama, Hillary, and who? Jon Stewart?

    Graychin, for an educated and accomplished man, you are incredibly myopic. I think it goes to show one more time that money and class, money and wisdom, seldom correlated.

  168. One last question before I hit the sack Graychin. Though this is not one of my ten names, I continue to be fascinated with him for his accomplishments and his intellect. While I will be the first to admit, after the 2008 election, he was not yet ready for prime time, I don’t think it is time to write him off yet either as a potential leader in a generation.

    During the BP oil spill this summer, who was more impressive in its handling. Bobby Jindal or Barack Obama? You contemplate that, and I’ll tell you what those directly impacted believe – we’ll see if you agree.

  169. Rutherford,

    You being the head Muslim sympathizer on this board, I have a personal request. I watched it tonight – incredibly fascinating.

    I would like you when you get the chance to watch a movie – The Third Jihad. It is available for free on You Tube. Created by a real moderate Muslim; a doctor and very well spoken American fighting the good fight against radicals.

    And then I wish for you to detail for me three things: your perceived level of threat; how many Muslims are actually extremists; why you think the Ground Zero Mosque is a good idea.

    Consider it a personal challenge and wake up call. 😉

  170. Would you really want to put Obama against Jindal in Louisiana right now? Jindal did all he could in the face of federal obstruction.

    I like how Chin waxes on his wet dream of a GOP split, yet glosses over his own slippery slope. When I’m not dealing with asswholes in Yemen, I hope to get to this with more clarity, but consider that the Dems are about to lose most of their moderates, since the left-wing is fairly secure. That means that the moderation of the Dems is going out the window and you will see a more radical progressive agenda from the Dems. Clinton would have moderated this, but Obama won’t, which means that we are going to continue to see the rhetoric and shenanigans of liberal policies- which the people are, as we speak, rejecting.

    You’re worried about us? You’re party is being distilled RIGHT NOW with liberal activist ideologues, and while you might make the same claim about the GOP and the Tea Party, the difference is that the country is turning to conservatism- not liberalism.

    You may criticize Rove on his permanent GOP comment in 2004, but you on the left were claiming the GOP was dead in 2008. I personally think that the latter claim was more accurate, but no one was considering the fact that Barak Hussein Obama would govern as he has nor that the Dems would let him. You’re getting your ass kicked today not because of the GOP, but because of YOU. It’s one thing to buy something based on a slick message, it is another altogether to throw out a product after total disappointment. You won in 2008 on a slick message, but you lost today based on total disappointment. Which bad taste do you think lasts longer…

  171. no one was considering the fact that Barak Hussein Obama would govern as he has nor that the Dems would let him.

    Really? Are you serious? What part of the “Obama Agenda” has been a surprise to you? What part didn’t he spell out during the campaign?

    The lack of enthusiasm being shown towards this election by Democrats is at least 90% about the “Agenda” that has NOT been accomplished. Republicans made the political calculation before the inauguration that they would obstruct everything in sight, then call Obama and the Democrats failures. I didn’t think it would work, but it did work better than I expected. That’s the only reason for the “total disappointment.”

    I still believe in that “slick message,” and so do most of the Obama voters. Two years is a long time away. Let’s see how popular the John Boehner Republicans are after a government shutdown or two. They always have a line of BS for us, but can they actually govern? Newt, the conquering hero, was out on his butt after two years as Speaker. How quickly we forget.

    And about Bobby Jindal – it’s pathetic that you guys think he’s presidential material because he’s more popular in Louisiana than Obama. So is the corpse of Huey Long, but what’s left of Huey is probably too liberal to win a Republican presidential primary.

  172. Remind me – what did Bobby Jindal DO during the oil spill?

    Acted Presidential. 🙂

    And what did Obama do?







    Shut down offshore drilling in its entirety and played golf. Picked up a few oil balls while filmed with paid Dim hacks.

    But why argue? The people of Louisiana today will tell us how effective they think Broke NObama is.

  173. Top 10 Reasons for the 2010 Election

    (1) In the context of historic midterm elections, it’s not that big a deal.
    (2) Foreigners bought the election.
    (3) The Republicans won, but they have no mandate
    (4) The voter are too ignorant
    (5) It was a communications problem
    (6) Obama wasn’t “liberal” enough
    (7) Obama is still the front runner for 2012 (Graychin’s personal favorite)
    (8) It was the fault of Summers/Emanuel/Orszag/ Jewish departed staff scapegoat here.
    (9) 2010 election results were a repudiation of Congressional Democrats such as Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, but not of the president himself,

    And last but not least and still favorite:

    (10) It is George Bush’s fault.

  174. “Above all, it is time to celebrate the country’s wholehearted embrace of democracy, reflected in the intense engagement of Americans in this campaign and the outpouring to the polls all over the nation. . . . Barack Obama’s sweeping electoral victory cannot be dismissed merely as a popular reaction to an economic crisis or as a verdict on an unpopular president. . . . In choosing Obama and a strongly Democratic Congress, the country put a definitive end to a conservative era — E.J. Dionne, Washington Post, Nov. 5, 2008

    Muwahahaahahahahahaha

    This moron is one of the most egregious hacks of the many hacks in the InsaneStreamMedia. Did I mention he’s a favorite of the Butch Maddow and Keith Olbermann show?

    Muwahahahahahahahahaha

  175. Re: #219

    11. The Republican electoral strategy hatched in early 2009 and recently articulated by Mitch McConnell was surprisingly effective:

    “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.” Not governing America.

    Not creating jobs or pulling the economy out of the ditch. Not national security. Not balancing the budget. Not even cutting taxes some more.

    That’s what it always LOOKED like the Republicans in Congress were doing, but it’s nice to have confirmation direct from the Kentucky horse’s… mouth.

  176. The Republican electoral strategy hatched in early 2009 and recently articulated by Mitch McConnell was surprisingly effective:

    “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.” Not governing America.

    Not creating jobs or pulling the economy out of the ditch. Not national security. Not balancing the budget. Not even cutting taxes some more.

    Graychin, excellent point. That would appear to me a blending of several points: no mandate, too stupid, communications problem, #10 will fit any scenario, of course.

  177. I see that Tex is still intrigued/bothered by Rachel Maddow’s sexuality.

    Bothered? I think she’s perfect (for MSNBC).

    I think it’s the hair cut that intrigues me. Kind of a female Blago.

  178. Graychin,

    You seem uncharacteristically grumpy this morning and we haven’t made it past the pregame show yet.

    You’re still the favorite, with the Most Valuable Player still leading your pack. Who knows how the election goes? You’ve got several aces still in the hole:

    (1) Dig up the Vote
    (2) Pre-selected voting machines
    (3) New Black Panther Party
    (4) Remnants of ACORN
    (5) Franken Fraud
    (6) Vote Early; vote often
    (7) Illegal alien vote
    (8) George Soros

    Besides, Tex will be pulling the lever today for two Dims and purposely voting against one feckless and miserable SOB Repub who sits on the City Council running for Judge. That’s the one I’m most excited.

    So how many Repubs will you be pulling the lever for? Do I really need to ask Mr. Pragmatic?

    So

  179. Grumpy? Me? Au contraire. (Pardon my French.) 😀

    It’s Fall in Oklahoma – a beautiful day to be alive! I paid all my bills for November earlier this morning and have money left over. How could life be any better?

    We don’t pull levers here in Delaware County. We have the same excellent system that you have in Tulsa County, except that the Election Board office is a lot handier. We will be making our trek down to the Topsy Assembly of God Church to cast our ballots somewhere around lunch time.

    No Republicans for me today. I considered voting for Dan Boren’s opponent, but I would hate for the Dems to lose the House because Boren wasn’t there to caucus with the Democrats.

    I would be voting for my Republican state rep (Doug Cox) this year if he had an opponent.

    The state questions are the most interesting part of today’s election in Oklahoma. I’ll be voting “yes” on 744 (schools), 750 (initiative petitions), 757 (rainy day fund) and “no” on the rest. How about you?

  180. Is the John Eagleton who is running for judge the same guy who is on the city council? There are several John Eagletons in town.

    If so, I hope he wins. He would be a better judge than a councilor. He’s a miserable councilor. Most of them are.

  181. Did I mention he’s a favorite of the Butch Maddow and Keith Olbermann show?

    Tex it’s never a good idea to talk about shows you don’t watch. E.J. Dionne is almost NEVER on Keith Olbermann’s “Countdown”. I have been watching the show almost every night for the past two years and I think I could count Dionne appearances on one hand.

    I can’t speak for Rachel Maddow because I don’t watch her as much but I strongly suspect you’re wrong there too.

  182. As you head to the polls today, please keep these three things in mind:

    1) Don’t be intimidated by electronic voting machines. There are simple instructions in English, Spanish, and Tea Party.

    2) Your vote is precious. Politicians have spent billions trying to buy it.

    3) Please vote because every vote is counted. (Offer not available in Florida.)

    – From The Borowitz Report

  183. Tex it’s never a good idea to talk about shows you don’t watch. E.J. Dionne is almost NEVER on Keith Olbermann’s “Countdown”. I have been watching the show almost every night for the past two years and I think I could count Dionne appearances on one hand.

    Au contraire. I did watch Keith foam last night. As I will be watching him again tonight, adding 10% to his view audience. And surprise, surprise – but who was the guest commentator last night on Keith Olbermann’s rabid dog watch?

    E.J. Dionne. 😆

    Did you get that test I recommended for your short term memory?

  184. “The political capital that Democrats accumulated over the last two elections was spent in these last 21 months. And it was spent on policy, hard votes with long-time horizons that don’t translate into killing the other party in the next election.

    “If you listen to the criticism, particularly from the left, heading into these elections, what you often hear is that Democrats are going to lose in these elections because they didn’t get enough done. You know, the big picture, if that were true, that would be depressing. It’s not actually the true big picture, though. The fact is, that Democrats got a lot done, a lot of hard stuff done on hard problems in a short amount of time. The price they may end up paying for that is losing a midterm election. Democrats’ choice is whether or not it’s worth it.”

    – Guess Who

    Win or lose today, I think it was worth it.

  185. As testimony to how much most Republicans disgust me, I discovered on my ballot this morning a Republican state candidate unopposed by a Democrat. But he did have an Independent challenger. I knew nothing about either candidate but I sure as hell wasn’t going to let a GOPher get my vote. I voted for the independent.

    As for the other Republican state candidate who ran completely unopposed, I simply didn’t vote. He’ll win anyway (obviously) but at least I can sleep at night.

    Oh … I also reached deep inside and pulled out my loudest Hulk Hogan scream and voted AGAINST Linda McMahon. I don’t find Blumenthal all that inspiring but Linda is a non-starter. 🙂

  186. Ah Graychin, that “pulling the lever” was just slang. I know you use the voting machines, because those are used in all 77 counties – all that voted for McCain. 🙂 Ironic isn’t that supposed backwards Oklahoma has possibly the best procedural way of voting. Simple, paper trail, few if any problems, almost immediate results.

    Makes me kind of proud to be an Okie.

    Looks like I’ll be negating most of your votes again. And I’ll win by 50 points on those I vote against you. You’re actually voting yes on 744? Really? I give you one thing Graychin – kudos for peacocking around when 3/4 of the people don’t agree with you.

    Yeah, it’s John Eagleton and he is indeed a councilor. He’s a turd and a moron, and I told something along those lines two years ago that any ballot he’s on, he just lost six Republican votes for a lifetime when he got lippy. He was real cocky when I told him that – until he called to apologize after thinking about it, considering what? A few thousand people vote in his district? Sent me this 3mb PDF file to make sure he had answered my questions. Too little, too late. 🙂

    I told him to get lost in the most sincere and humble of ways over the phone and that no matter who he ran against from here on out, I would actively campaign against him.

    He hung up on me. I loved it!

  187. Well done, Rutherford.

    Has it occurred to anyone else that if Republicans come close to taking the Senate tonight, but miss doing so by Christine O’Donnell, Linda McMahon, Joe Miller and/or Sharron Angle, that it doesn’t bode well for the future and ultimate success of the Tea Party movement?

  188. Rutherford the DA in my area is a (D) and was running unopposed. I actually voted for him because he actually does a good job,oh yeah he was an incumbent too.
    I hope you put more thought into it than it seems.

  189. By the way “R”, I don’t know if you read me correctly, but I am actually casting a ballot today for two “Dims” – the first since 1986.

    Apocalypse is indeed upon us.

    You never did give me your predictions. I said 55 and 8 Repubs – and that could indeed blow up in my face giving you guys material for at least two years.

    My prediction was pretty gutless actually. I went with a combination of Gallup, Sabato (sp?), and Rasmussen polling. If I’m wrong, I’ll have great company.

  190. Tex … LOL I have to admit as I progress through my 50th year on the planet, my short term memory ain’t what it used to be. I can remember ridiculous stuff from 30 years ago … but 5 mins ago, forget it. 🙂

  191. Has it occurred to anyone else that if Republicans come close to taking the Senate tonight, but miss doing so by Christine O’Donnell, Linda McMahon, Joe Miller and/or Sharron Angle, that it doesn’t bode well for the future and ultimate success of the Tea Party movement?

    I disagree with that completely. Win, lose or draw, the Tea Party has already changed politics.

    This vote today is a direct referendum on two entities.

    (1) First and foremost President Broke NObama.
    (2) The feckless old and tired Republican establishment that gave us Bob Dole and John McCain.

    Just yesterday, the new “Israeli” Tea Party was formed. And they are sprouting up everywhere across Europe.

    One more thing – in my opinion the best case scenario for the Tea Party is to win the House to stop Obama, and come close but not quite win the Senate. Winning both houses gives Obama excuse for scapegoating and making excuses. The best Conservatives could ever hope for this go around was a draw.

    It will take several election cycles and maybe even a few steps back to clean up our own house first. And if the Republicans don’t get the message this go around, expect a 3rd party.

  192. Rutherford, my short term memory isn’t what it used to be either. I figured that much out in gross anatomy. Memorizing lists and things just don’t come as easy as it used to. The critical thinking portions of the clinical, I always scored in the top 20% of the class. The lab portion (memorization), I was in the bottom 20%.

    And there’s actually a neurological reason for it – an aging hippocampus.

  193. Well Alfie, if I knew that the GOPher opposed only by an independent was a real quality guy … sure I would’ve voted for him. But in 2010, GOPhers are bad for America until proven otherwise, and lacking the proof, I just couldn’t take the chance.

  194. Gray, the Tea Party has shown itself to be a spoiler a couple of times already (can you spell SCOZZAFAVA?). So you are right. I would not be at all surprised to see the crackpots stand in the way of a Republican take over of the Senate.

    The good news is it will restore my faith in the sanity, if not the intelligence, of the American people.

  195. I have my heart seriously invested in a couple of races tonight. I desperately want Sharron Angle shown the door. That has a chance. My other sincere wish, which will probably not be granted, is the firing of Michele Bachmann.

    If you read about a Middlebury, CT man being arrested for dancing the jig naked in the street tomorrow morning, it will be because Michele Bachmann was thrown out on her ignorant ass. 🙂

  196. I’m not making any number predictions for tonight because honestly I don’t have a macro view of the election. I’m more focused on individual races that have hit the headlines, CO, IL, NV, CA, etc,

  197. I’m a little worried about that Nevada race, not because I don’t think Sharron Angle would win in a fair race (Harry Reids disapproval numbers are at 60%), but that the fact that the Nevada race loaded with a Soros “appointed” state election directors more than capable of Franken Fraud, mixed in with the SEIU fixing the voting machines to preselect candidates and tampering with results. You watch.

    I guarantee you Angle has to win by at least 5-7% to stand a chance of winning by a nose. The corrupt Dimocratic are already cheating like dogs in Nevada.

  198. I give you one thing Graychin – kudos for peacocking around when 3/4 of the people don’t agree with you.

    You would be the same way if anyone had ever taught you a sense of values.

    “Any man more right than his neighbors constitutes a majority of one.” – Thoreau

    You would be the same way if anyone had ever taught you a sense of values. It’s important for you to live amidst lots of like-minded folks, isn’t it? You wouldn’t fare well in Connecticut or California.

    But you’re doin’ fine in Red Oklahoma – bringing up the rear in any ranking of the states in anything at all.

    Except maybe football.

  199. “I guarantee you Angle has to win by at least 5-7% to stand a chance of winning by a nose. The corrupt Dimocratic are already cheating like dogs in Nevada.”

    Already making excuses, are we?

  200. I give you one thing Graychin – kudos for peacocking around when 3/4 of the people don’t agree with you.

    You would be the same way if anyone had ever taught you a sense of values.

    Try and remember my mother is not the racist. 😈

    You wouldn’t fare well in Connecticut or California.

    But you’re doin’ fine in Red Oklahoma – bringing up the rear in any ranking of the states in anything at all.

    Bet California and Connecticut would trade our financial position for their own in NY second. You mean those lists that rank the south and southwest the worst at everything? Always composed of elites from the coasts?

    Is that why people are immigrating south from the NE and Westcoas now in record numberst? Because we’re so bad?

    You are a lifetime of complete and inbred rubedom. I actually find you kind of funny – as in funny at your expense.

  201. Something to keep in mind on election day:

    All voting is a sort of gaming, like checkers or backgammon, with a slight moral tinge to it, a playing with right and wrong, with moral questions; and betting naturally accompanies it. The character of the voters is not staked. I cast my vote, perchance, as I think right; but I am not vitally concerned that that right should prevail. I am willing to leave it to the majority. Its obligation, therefore, never exceeds that of expediency. Even voting for the right is doing nothing for it. It is only expressing to men feebly your desire that it should prevail. A wise man will not leave the right to the mercy of chance, nor wish it to prevail through the power of the majority. There is but little virtue in the action of masses of men.

    – Henry David Thoreau

  202. “I guarantee you Angle has to win by at least 5-7% to stand a chance of winning by a nose. The corrupt Dimocratic are already cheating like dogs in Nevada.”

    Already making excuses, are we?

    Statement of fact. Look around – every time there’s a dispute of voting fraud, it’s a Dim in a Dim state favoring a Dim. Sane people know you cheat like dogs and are not to be trusted. Short of pandering for votes and lying, it’s truest finest personal characteristic.

  203. “We need to win big enough to be beyond the ‘Margin of Lawyer’.”

    Good one, Tiger. On both sides.

    You remember Al Franken. We remember George W. Bush.

  204. He’s usually good for a filibuster, but he has become strangely silent for some odd reason.

    Unlike some of the regular commentors here, I have a full-time job, which sometimes demands my full attention. This week is one of those times.

    However, I was able to do some reading last night on the FDA, and apparently, the Commerce Clause was considered to be the Constitutional authority for the act that gave rise to the FDA. I say “apparently”, because this was the conclusion stated by the commentaries; the actual wording of the legislation gave no statement of authority for the law itself.

    It was actually the first misuse (but not the last) of the Commerce Clause perpetrated by progressives, and foreshadowed some of their other “Landmark” legislation by 5 or so years, and the New Deal frauds by almost 25 years.

    But yes, in this case, da Chin was correct: the justification was apparently rooted in Commerce Clause perversion.

  205. Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage.

    Bondage Obama…

  206. I remember what you DID say about your mother.

    What’s that? That my mom was weak in enabling a bully? Enabling is a poor descriptor – she simply hates conflict. Other than that, I can assure with the confidence of my own life, I’ve never said a negative thing about one of the finest people I’ve ever known – who just happens to be my momma.

    Doesn’t change the fact that she’s also the most positively influential person in my life, perhaps the beloved person I know, that when she dies the crowd will be standing in the streets, that her son has her undying affection – and still considers her, for her minor foibles, the best mom in the world.

    Until marriage, she was the one and only real positive influence for change in my life, and whatever brains I grabbed at the start are directly related to her. No, I can assure you she has my utmost respect and she knows that. Our relationship is very close, and I proudly wear the label of “Momma’s boy.”

    But why argue with contempt? We will be put to the test of right and wrong soon enough when judgment falls upon us all. 🙂

    You remember Al Franken. We remember George W. Bush.

    😆 Like Dade County, Broward County, and butterfly ballots? Like the disenfranchisement of the military vote? Yeah, we remember you trampling down there with the Washington Post, trial lawyers, NY Times, Time, Newsweek, and every corrupt lackey too.

    Their verdict? Bush won.

  207. “(The FDA) was actually the first misuse (but not the last) of the Commerce Clause perpetrated by progressives…”

    So is it your opinion that the FDA is actually unconstitutional, given that it arises out of “misuse” of the Commerce Clause?

  208. Best line of the day….

    “They’ve spent the past 18 months calling you names like Teabagger, Gophers, Bible thumpers, regressives and uneducated, questioning your sanity and your talents, your intelligence and lack of sophisticate. But today you get to vote, and that’s all that matters.”

    Is America great, or what?

  209. Their verdict? Bush won.

    Duh. I remember his maladministration very well.

    So did Franken. Maybe you saw him on your teevee, making speeches on the senate floor.

    I’m not going to play the “attack his mother” game with you. But you’re crawfishing.

  210. Tex – Who penned “Great nations rise and fall…”? I notice that you didn’t say.

    Jesus. 🙂 Daniel, Chapter 2?

    Don’t know. First time I saw that, it was from a book about the Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire.

    GIve me a history lesson…

  211. I’m not going to play the “attack his mother” game with you. But you’re crawfishing.

    A shame. Because you would lose – however, is this regard, it’s so distasteful, I agree to give that a rest. Just try and remember who made the charge of being “raised with values.” 😉

  212. ““They’ve spent the past 18 months…”

    Sounds like something from Sarah Palin would have said (lack of “sophisticate” 😀 ) – but (again) the source is unclear.

    The video that comes up when I google that quote was actually a pretty good description of the Tea Party. I’ll respond by referencing my Thoreau quote at #252.

  213. Graychin,

    One thing I have noticed about you. And this really is the truth. You are entirely humorless and simply do not understand the nuances of a “joking manner.”

    That comment from the author was made in jest to mock men like you. And somehow, in your response, you swung and missed. You think somebody is going to include “Tea Baggers” in their assessment, if they are trying to be proper?

  214. “Just try and remember who made the charge of being “raised with values.”

    The proof is in the result.

    Yeah. And your proof of value would be….Little Dixie?

  215. so do most of the Obama voters” – Chin

    Bullshit. You know how I know it’s bullshit, because the independents have almost completely abandoned the Dems and the majority of voters today are voting in referendum of the Obama administration. Face it, the people see through your bullshit now and don’t like what they bought.

  216. You are entirely humorless and simply do not understand the nuances of a “joking manner.” That comment from the author was made in jest to mock men like you.

    And who was that author again?

    If it was intended to be funny, I’m still missing the joke. It sounds deadly serious to me – all those “elites” making fun of poor ignorant Tea Party folk. But if it was a joke, I’ll just have to take your word for it.

    Speaking of humorless people:

    John Boehner: “”Remember when Ronald Reagan was president? We had Bob Hope. We had Johnny Cash. Think about where we are today. We have got President Obama. But we have no hope and we have no cash.”

    Rosanne Cash: “”John Boehner: Stop using my dad’s name as a punchline, you asshat.”

  217. I seem to remember some commentary about the the FDA’s origins arising from federal treaty power, not the Commerce Clause. I assume its expansion would be based on a CC analysis though.

    BiW, am I mistaken?

  218. It’s awfully early, and take this with a grain of salt, but this from the Huffington Post:

    Early anecdotal reports of turnout at polling places indicates higher than expected activity in urban areas, which could bode well for Democrats and undercut the narrative about an enthusiasm gap among progressives.

    Any thoughts on the “landline gap”? The fact that telephone polls seldom include people who don’t have landline phones, but use cell phones instead? Those people tend to skew Democratic….

  219. 😉

    One day a fourth-grade teacher asked the children what their fathers did for a living.. All the typical answers came up — fireman, mechanic, businessman, salesman, doctor, lawyer, and so forth.

    However, little Justin was being uncharacteristically quiet, so when the teacher prodded him about his father, he finally replied, ‘Okay…my father’s an exotic dancer in a gay cabaret and takes off all his clothes in front of other men and they put money in his underwear.

    Sometimes, if the offer is really good, he will go home with some guy and stay with him all night for money.’

    The teacher, obviously shaken by this statement, hurriedly set the other children to work on some exercises and then took little Justin aside to ask him, ‘Is that really true about your father?’

    ‘No’, the boy said, ‘He actually works for the Democratic National Committee and helped get Barack Obama elected President last year, but I was too embarrassed to say that in front of the class.’

  220. Damn Rutherford,

    You must be rubbing off on me. Filling out the Oklahoma ballots this time was the equivalent of taking a test. Remind me next time to take my reading glasses.

    Being I haven’ t voted for a Dim since 1986, I demonstrated my contrarian nature in this Republican cycle and voted for 2 Dims, 1 independent (as a protest vote – the Repub will win going away), and elected my 4th grade teacher’s son who has run as a Dimocrat for Congress as judge. Mrs. Glassco is still may favorite teacher K-12.

    I must be getting soft. Fortunately, I was able to negate both the Tulsa World and Graychin on the state votes. No habla espanol. 🙂 No shariah law! 😛

  221. The fact that telephone polls seldom include people who don’t have landline phones, but use cell phones instead?

    Don’t know. I was polled from Rasmussen and it was on the land line we still have. Why isn’t exactly clear.

    I would think if there was random noise, it would be toward favoring the land lines, but I really don’t know.

  222. Pretty good gorilla!

    Did I tell you I saw a bumper sticker that said, “I’d kill for the Noble Peace Prize” last Saturday? 😆

  223. Here’s another one of those fine “YES WE CAN”, well mannered “HOPE AND CHANGE” types that share Graychin’s innate values.

    [Unhinged Perriello/Obama supporter rips up GOP signs, screams “You f**king House nigger white-black bitch!”]

  224. No shariah law! 😛

    Phew … now I can sleep soundly tonight knowing that Tex voted to stop something from happening that has no remote chance of happening in our lifetime least of all in Oklahoma.

    How many folks in OK have the tiniest friggin’ clue what Sharia law is, Tex? 😆

  225. NONE of them who are voting to ban Sharia Law have any idea what Sharia Law is. But Faux News tells them it’s something that’s creeping in to get us, so……

  226. There were more people at my polling place than I have ever seen there before. Several people in line agreed – it was the busiest ever, more even than in presidential years. The poll workers said it has been like that all day.

    I think the outcomes in Oklahoma are pretty much set and don’t depend on turnout, but still the big turnout is interesting.

  227. Re: #275:

    Back during the Oklahoma oil boom of the late 1970s and early 1980s there was a popular bumper sticker that said “Don’t tell my mother I work in the oil patch. She thinks that I play the piano in a whorehouse.”

    There was another popular sticker a bit later that said “Dear God, please send another oil boom. We promise not to piss it away next time.” Another promise not kept.

  228. But yes, in this case, da Chin was correct: the justification (for the FDA) was apparently rooted in Commerce Clause perversion.

    Wasn’t it clever of me to see through the snipe hunt that you tried to send me on at #160? 😀

  229. LOL Even I was surprised by that intellectually wimpy move on BiW’s part. He’s usually much more rigorous than that. He must be right … the paying job must be making great demands.

    God I wish I could say the same.

  230. Oh by the way Tex, you do realize that the credibility of the entire Christian religion is at stake tonight. Christine O’Donnell claims prayer is what has gotten her this far.If she loses tonight, does that mean God backed a “Dimocrat”? 😛

  231. Rutherford, you know it doesn’t work that way.

    Eight years ago a famous football player named Steve Largent gave up his seat in Congress and ran for governor of Oklahoma because God told him to run. An odd conjunction of factors conspired to elect the Democrat instead – in Oklahoma! If anyone could ever claim divine intervention in an election it was Brad Henry, the winner that year over Largent.

    I think that God just wanted Largent out of Congress – and out of politics for good!

    Maybe God told O’Donnell to run for Senate so that a Democrat could be elected?

    If so, then Deo gratias! 😀

  232. Oh by the way Tex, you do realize that the credibility of the entire Christian religion is at stake tonight. Christine O’Donnell claims prayer is what has gotten her this far.If she loses tonight, does that mean God backed a “Dimocrat”?

    Reality begins to set in and the smarmy factor bubbles to the surface. Anger, grief, and then resignation. Something like that. I don’t know how long it will take to get to the resignation point, but for Graychin I suspect he will stay in the anger mode much longer than you Rutherford if the votes go accordingly.

    However…

    Incredibly amazing how you minimize the power of God. That is the one major turn off about you – your secular arrogance. You really are an incredibly foolish man, even more myopic than Graychin “R”. But I cut you slack because I like you, even though you’re are a lost soul and will probably suffer consequences which simply can not be put into words.

    I grant you your arrogance for a time with restraint and having reconciled myself to the fact you will simply have to meet whatever consequences that breed of arrogance meets as Christ promised us. But I do wonder with what happened to Jim recently, being you and Jim had a big yuck yuck over mocking God just the week before, if you had paused for a moment and thought, “that could be me.” Apparently not. We all walk a fine line between life and death Rutherford, with death just as assured as your life. 😉

    Now I certainly don’t know if Christine O’Donnell is telling the truth or not. It may sound quaint, but I can assure you with 100% certainty it is not God’s omniscience at stake, nor His authority, nor will He be the least bit surprised by the results.

    No, no need to answer. You’re not capable.

  233. How many folks in OK have the tiniest friggin’ clue what Sharia law is, Tex? 😆

    At least one more than you do. You really do need to watch The 3rd Jihad like I recommended last night. And it’s that “moderate” Muslim you’ve been looking for.

    Consider the Oklahoma vote a shot across the bow. Maybe we’ll cover for you.

  234. By the way, a little off topic but not off topic. Since I do my own shopping now, I’ve got a pretty good feel for grocery prices. And they are up substantially higher from the start of the summer. This wasn’ t mom and pop last night – this was Walmart (I hate shopping there).

    There is going to be a lot more wailing and gnashing of teeth before too long. And that will not change tonight. Even in victory, it will be short-lived as times are going to get tougher – much tougher.

  235. EXIT POLLS:

    Wisconsin: Johnson (R) defeats Feingold (D)
    North Dakota: Hoeven (R) defeats Potter (D)
    Arkansas: Boozman (R) defeats Lincoln (D)
    Ohio: Portman (R) defeats Fisher (D)

    There’s four down. 🙂

  236. I’d love to hear R and the Chin explain for us why Bush continues to expand in popularity in comparison to Obama.

  237. Higher voter turnout may not be all that you hope for…

    (PunditPress) — Heavy turnout in the Florida 9th Congressional District appears to show that incumbent Democrat Alan Grayson may be in trouble. According to the Orlando Sentinel there is a larger than expected crowd waiting to vote in the district.

    The Sentinel is also reporting that overall vote turnout may approach 44%, a high amount for midterm races. Furthermore, Republicans are usually known for a higher turnout in midterms, meaning that the people of the district may be coming out to throw out Grayson.

    It appears that Grayson is on the ropes as polls are showing him consistently behind Republican Daniel Webster. Webster was also helped by Grayson’s heavy-handed polls accusing him of being a member of the Taliban and dodging the draft, which were both obviously false.

    That contest helped drive voters into the Kinneret Towers polling station on Delany Avenue throughout the lunch-hour period, and voters such as John Deatherage said it was Republicans at the top of the ticket that lured him there. The equity trader said he would vote for Webster against Grayson because the outspoken Democrat was “very, very liberal.”

    Republican Betsy Moricle said she was going to vote for Webster, too, adding that Grayson “gets under my skin.”

  238. 😉

    (WireUpdate) — Low supporter turnout for Richard Blumenthal has forced the campaign to send out an alert Tuesday afternoon urging supporters to get out to the polls.

    “Voter turnout appears to be heavy in areas that benefit our opponent,” The campaign email read”.” It is critical that we maximize our efforts to get our supporters to the polls. We need your help”

    Blumenthal is running against Linda McMahon in a highly publicized campaign for US Senate in Connecticut. The Real Clear Politics average of all national pulling has Blumenthal leading McMahon by 9 points, however that lead has been shrinking in recent weeks.

    Polls close in Connecticut at 8PM ET.

  239. “I’d love to hear R and the Chin explain for us why Bush continues to expand in popularity in comparison to Obama.”

    As does Bill Clinton. A sitting president has, you know, ACTUAL RESPONSIBILITY.

  240. I’ve a question, if Coons is going to win this in a landslide, then why is so much political capital being spent on this race?

    Delaware:

    (WSJ)- Most polls have predicted that the closely watched Delaware Senate race between DemocratChris Coons and Republican tea-party favorite Christine O’Donnell was going to be anything but close. One poll last week had Mr. Coons up by 10 points, while all the others gave him a far more comfortable margin.

    But Democrats in Delaware remain skittish.

    In a noon email alert to supporters, Coons campaign manager Christy Gleason said close monitoring of voter turnout in the state’s 41 representative districts showed “lower turnout in New Castle and Kent counties than we’re comfortable with.”

    To win, Mr. Coons will have to get heavy support from Democrats and independents in New Castle, the state’s most populous county. In the primary, Ms. O’Donnell drew heavy support from the state’s other two counties, Kent and Sussex, which skew more to the right.

    And in Wisconsin…

    ( The Hill)- A key endangered Democratic incumbent admitted Tuesday that “turnout isn’t where we need it to be” if he’s to win reelection.

    Rep. Steve Kagen’s (D-Wis.) campaign manager e-mailed supporters to warn them that turnout numbers were flagging and that they needed more voters to make their way to the polls.

    “We have just been going over the morning voting numbers — and turnout isn’t where we need it to be in our strong areas,” campaign manager Julie Heun wrote in an e-mail. “This race is going to be a squeaker — and every vote will count.”

  241. As does Bill Clinton. A sitting president has, you know, ACTUAL RESPONSIBILITY.

    Only have two words to say.

    Jimmy Carter – who as memory serves as libs love to quote polls graduated with a higher approval percentage than Bush. Tee hee…

    Times, they are a changing. And I’m not sure Billy Bob is quite as popular as Graychin would like us to believe either. He’s “beloved”, except when he’s a “racist” in South Carolina.

    I swear, libs have absolutely no scruples. No wonder they cheat like hell, even in a vote.

  242. I wouldn’t worry about the fate of the Hippie Professor, Tex. It’s pretty arrogant of you to talk about him like that.

    I’m not worried about him at all. I believe in a just God.

    I’ll let Rutherford speak for himself, but if I knew that I was going to die tonight I wouldn’t change my beliefs one bit. How could I? How is it even possible to change deeply held beliefs in an instant?

    You can’t believe something just because you want to. Not really. But anyone can (and I suspect that many do) go up to the altar and say all the “right” words because that’s what someone said you have to do to go to heaven. Is that “faith”? I don’t think so. You believe what your conscience dictates.

    And don’t ever mistake mockery of the silliness that comes from some Christians as mockery of God. It isn’t the same thing at all, even if those same silly Christians think that it is.

  243. From Breaking News:

    Dan Burton, GOP, elected U.S. House, District 5, Indiana.

    Jamie Dupree, Cox Radio:

    Early returns from Indiana Senate, Coats (R) up 55-40%; early from Kentucky Senate Paul (R) up 57-43%

    Mark Hemingway, Washington Examiner (3:20 PM PDT):

    CNN calls IN-5 and IN-6 for Burton and Pence.

    Josh Kraushaar of the Hotline:

    Exit polls show Rubio +21 in #FLSEN

    Ahhhh….

  244. I wouldn’t worry about the fate of the Hippie Professor, Tex. It’s pretty arrogant of you to talk about him like that.

    Oh yes, to be lectured by the secular humanist about the hereafter. Who is worried? What is done is done. The matter settled. What it did make me feel is profound sadness, sense of loss, and the fact I never took the time I needed to try and reach Jim. The regret is mine.

    Are you not aware Christians do not stand “before the altar?”

    I’m not worried about him at all. I believe in a just God.

    Then you’ll understand that justice requires grace, and not mercy? Because justice would demand just the opposite from what I will receive.

  245. Are you not aware Christians do not stand “before the altar?”

    No, I am not. I wasn’t raised in one of those “altar call” traditions. It never has made any sense to me.

    Because justice would demand just the opposite from what I will receive.

    Good luck with that.

  246. You know what I look forward to? R’s autopsy to what happened to the Dems tomorrow. THAT should be some creative writing…

  247. Gorilla, it will go something like I provided earlier this morning:

    Top 10 Reasons for the 2010 Election

    (1) In the context of historic midterm elections, it’s not that big a deal.
    (2) Foreigners bought the election.
    (3) The Republicans won, but they have no mandate
    (4) The voter are too ignorant
    (5) It was a communications problem
    (6) Obama wasn’t “liberal” enough
    (7) Obama is still the front runner for 2012 (Graychin’s personal favorite)
    (8) It was the fault of Summers/Emanuel/Orszag/ Jewish departed staff scapegoat here.
    (9) 2010 election results were a repudiation of Congressional Democrats such as Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, but not of the president himself,

    And last but not least and still favorite:

    (10) It is George Bush’s fault.

  248. Oh I’m sure it’ll be Bush’s fault, which is perfectly fine with me. For many moons I have consistently pointed out- in the face of Dem delusions of what is happening- that the Dems were going to pay a heavy price today. To have them blame Bush tomorrow, makes me smile inside because it tells me that they still don’t get it and they’re going to continue down this delusional road of perdition.

  249. To have them blame Bush tomorrow, makes me smile inside because it tells me that they still don’t get it and they’re going to continue down this delusional road of perdition.

    They are delusional and I project will remain delusional. I only separate the two because of demeanor.

    First Tea Party win of the night – Rand Paul.

    The man Graychin predicted defeat three months ago… 😉

  250. Based on this previous assessment of Chin’s commentary:

    “Total, utter bullshit.”

    I’m not surprised to see his projections/predictions fail.

  251. Thank Gawd that pathetic Charlie Crist is gone…along with that abomination Alan Grayson. Florida – strong Repub tonight. Balance is being restored. Since Graychin didn’t ask me today who is lining up to face El Bomba, I’ll give you a partial list. And I’m not saying this because of their performance tonight.

    #1 Marco Rubio – you guys will really hate his guts. More talented and polished speaker than The Chosen One, actually bright, and prettier than Obama. And the best part, he may still your Hispanic vote. Buwahahahahaha….

    #2 Mitch Daniels – Governor Indiana

    #3 David Petraeus

    There’s three good ones Graychin and I’ve got several more. Give me somebody besides Hillary and El Bongo…I’m still waiting.

  252. Perriello, Obama’s chosen candidate goes down! Muwahahahahaha

    The President’s visits don’t seem to be doing much but leading to defeat. Buwahahahahahaha

  253. My Senator was in a tight one. Graychin’s candidate ran a tough race, closer than I expected.

    Fortunately, Brother and Senator Tom won a barn burner by 43 points. 😛

    No habla espanol…
    No sharia law in spanish

    3-1. I love my state ♥♥♥♥

  254. Chris Matthews looks like his mother just died and he’s spinning at about 6,000 RPM while talking about he’s inspired. Surprisingly, Numb Nuts Olbermann has held it together and is accusing the Chamber of Commerce as turning the Wisconsin race. 😆 . Butch Maddow looks like she peed in her jockstrap, trying desperately to spin this positively.

    Eugene Robinson is still lying. Howard Fineman is perpetually happy and clinically insane. Obama is tuned in…

    This is great stuff.

  255. The Party of Rutherford…

    Texas law prohibited the New Black Panthers from bursting into a polling place. They are not allowed within 100 feet of the polls for any reason except to vote or if they are credentialed poll watchers, which they weren’t. This illegal behavior was repeated at multiple polling places in Houston.

    Quanell X is the Houston version of King Samir Shabazz, the chairman of the local New Black Panthers. His legal name is Quanell Abdul Farrakhan. Before that, it was Ralph Evans.

    Mr. X led a squad of at least five New Black Panthers, including members in New Black Panther uniforms, into Houston polling places, including precinct 202, illegally.

    They spoke with election officials inside this and other polling places. After these discussions, white poll watchers were either denied admittance or ejected. White election judges were also removed, under threat of calling the police for trumped-up complaints.

  256. Graychin,

    I want to congratulate you on your “yes” on 744 (schools). You only got beat by 62 points.

    Why are you not in Berkeley, Cambridge, or San Fran, NYC, or L.A.?

    Man, you couldn’t be more out of touch with reality if you tried.

  257. Karl Rove just literally destroyed an argument by Juan Williams and made him look foolish. I mean, destroyed him. After defending Williams who I actually don’t mind, he is not a terribly bright man and die hard lib.

    No wonder Libs hate Rove – the guy knows politics backwards and forwards.

    Man, that was a smackdown.

  258. If you want a good laugh, see Michelle Bachmann school everone how to treat a Lib on MSNBC. Just stare at them, refuse to answer any questions with a big smile, and insult them before you leave. 😆 Chris Matthews was pissed. They may all laugh on set and on cue, but the burnt ass was palpable – you know Butch Maddow is adjusting the cup off camera. The more I hear of this Ms. Bachmann, the more I like her.

    As a bonus, Bachmann pisses Rutherford off to the nth degree and keeps on winning. 😈

  259. Damn! My first big disappointment of the night. I was hoping Harry Reid would go down.

    Huck, if you think California is stupid, Nevada just elected a man that has overseen the highest state unemployment, highest state foreclosure, and dumb enough to state as late as this week he save the world from depression.

    I predict California and Nevada to be in dire straights before even 2012.

  260. Do have to give the Dims credit for one candidate. This Joe Manchin of West Virginia was the most impressive Dim I’ve seen in several years – no doubt the best candidate in West Virginia. Maybe the best Dim I have witnessed since Sam Nunn and Zell Miller – good, old Conservative Dim. Damn, how long has Sam Nunn been retired?

    Good guy…

    Which leaves one question. Why is Joe Manchin a Dimocrat? He is now in with a demented, corrupt pack of thieves. There isn’t a moderate Dim left.

  261. I’m signing off. Final thought.

    There are two Dimocratic pollsters that I pay attention to – both called this election closer than anybody and they said this months ago. They’re taboo in Dimocratic circles because they appear on FOX News too often – Pat Caddell and Doug Schoen.

    Caddell and Schoen both agreed it would have been better for Obama to have lost the Senate as well. In essence, because of the overwhelming house majority (Dims will have less than 200 seats for the first time in a couple of generations), Republicans have essentially taken control of Congress.

    And since the Senate most visible and even more liberal now, it will appear if there is deadlock and little gets accomplished, the onus falls on Obama. And being Dims no longer hold the reigns of controlling the flow of information, this is now a far different evironment than ’94. No shenanigans about gov’t stoppage and the like.

    Excellent news for 2012.

    Good night Rutherford – it’s been fun debating with you over the last couple of months. You won one, I won one. We’ll conduct the rubber match soon. 😉

  262. Just so you guys (and I do mean GUYS) won’t think I’m ducking you…

    Since I like to tear a band-aid off quickly rather than pulling it off sloooowly, I avoided all election news last night until I checked from bed on the iPad last night, the last thing before I turned out the light and went to sleep.

    Of course most of the news was bad. But I’m a “glass half full” kind of guy, so I was happy to see that the Tea Party had cost Republicans control of the Senate and left Harry Reid in charge over there.

    I am working on a blog post right now which should be up later this morning. I wanted to share my thoughts with the whole world rather than stick with the commenters here and only cast my pearls before swine. (Rutherford – no offense!) 😀

    I’ll let you know when the post is up. I won’t be rude and flood it into Rutherford’s comment thread.

  263. A few facts this morning, as I noted our libs friends, one who two years ago called the Republicans a permanent regional party, have grown suddenly silent. I guess the Republican party is a regional party if you define it as the entire country short of 25 miles of west coast, NYC, and the Ivy League.

    Rutherford will spin it as a bad night for Dimocrats, but a worse night for ‘Teabagger’ candidates too. So I looked it up.

    Across the nation, 85% of Tea Party candidates won, highlighted by Marco Rubio, Rob Johnson and Nikki Haley. The Graychin, the Janeane Garofalo, Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, Bill Maher, Stephen Colbert are now eating crow for their vileness.

    The biggest story of the night was not the massive pickup in the house, but the under reported story of the massive pickups of Republicans at state levels.

    Consider:

    Three 30 year term Dimocrats lost last night – all ranking members of house committees.

    The North Carolina Legislature is Republican for the first time since 1870. Yes, that is Eighteen Seventy.

    The Alabama Legislature is Republican for the first time since 1876.

    The entire Wisconsin and New Hampshire legislatures have flipped to the GOP by wide margins.

    The State Houses in Indiana, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, Iowa, Montana, and Colorado flipped to the GOP.

    The Maine and Minnesota Senates flipped to the GOP.

    The Texas and Tennessee Houses went from virtually tied to massive Republican gains. The gains in Texas were so big that the Republicans no longer need the Democrats to get state constitutional amendments out of the state legislature.

    The bottom line is that last night was an utter and complete repudiation of Obama, of Liberalism, or Progressivism, of European nanny socialism.

    You will hear today much about Harry Reid and Barbara Boxer. And the TV shills that the majority of this board has always recognized as dishonest hacks will spin and propagandize, attempting to put a pretty candle on a huge box of horse apples.

    America had its temper tantrum over Iraq. Electing Barack Obama may have irreparably damaged our country.

    Now the real battle starts. 2012 is Conservatives for the taking if they will act wisely.

  264. I am working on a blog post right now which should be up later this morning. I wanted to share my thoughts with the whole world rather than stick with the commenters here and only cast my pearls before swine. (Rutherford – no offense!)

    Cast your pearls Judas. If you don’t, nobody will see your work but the imbecile Dawg. Then again, perhaps that is what you deserve.

  265. Tex, you may not be all that prophetic, but I checked your 10 point list one at a time listening to the MSNBC crowd. Priceless.

  266. Tigre, 🙂

    Prophet I’m not, but I actually do think I could cut it as a political consultant. But I did state two years ago to any Republican would listen that the best thing that could happen would be for the Republican party to lose massively at the federal level, so that it would be forced to remake itself. And I was proven correct.

    I’m just hoping that the Republican party understands this:

    I love Marco Rubio as candidate, but he got this wrong. This isn’t a second chance for Republicans – it’s the last chance.

  267. Bingo! Though there was nobody I wanted to see lose worse last night than Harry Reid, a most bitter pill to swallow because he is such a disgusting human being, I knew like in I did in 2008 it’s actually a mixed blessing – 55-60 votes is actually the magic number.

    This leaves us a villain. If the Republican party is wise, they will use Harry Reid as minnow to catch a much bigger fish.

    From Krauthammer…If Republicans had won the Senate, Obama could then do a Truman, where he ran against the do-nothing Congress and won re-election.”

    And that is similar to what Clinton was able to very cleverly do in 1995. Thank God for FOX News, AM radio, and the internet.

    P.S. Rutherford – I said the same thing yesterday. 🙂

  268. Not gonna help me since I am singing the Bay State Blues but a civics question for the panel.
    Which seated govt. will be making the redistricting plans? The one now or the one we just voted in? If it’s the latter the Gov./state pick ups could prove awesome.

  269. Do you suppose that when Alan Grayson returns to the home for the criminally insane that he escaped from that he will find all the doors locked, the lights off, and the staff hiding behind their desks, hoping that he’ll decide to go play in traffic instead?” – BiW

    No, but I do fully expect him to get a gig on MSLSD.

    😉

  270. They’ll be like that Parker Spitzer gig on CNN. The blind leading the blind.

    That would be a funny show, Grayson-Greene Live!

  271. They’ll be like that Parker Spitzer gig on CNN. The blind leading the blind.

    That would be a funny show, Grayson-Greene Live!

    More like the blind leading the naked. Still, if MSNBC billed it as the tremendous cockup you know it’s going to be, it could become their highest rated show.

  272. She may be lobotomized, but Bachmann made Matthews look like a fool. Man, to think that gaggle at MSNBC spend half their air time attacking Fox, then serve up this trash during a “historic” election night. R, how do you watch this shit? Really. Are you hypnotized or in trance or something? God, you can hear Olbermann, Maddow and Robinson giggling like little schoolgirls in the background.

  273. Comment of the Day:

    Can you imagine living in a world where a Harry Reid victory fills your glass all the way to half?

    😆 😆 😆

    Rabbit, you missed your calling man. You’re a hundred times funnier than Bill Maher will ever be on his best day. This is Rita Rudner quality material.

  274. Want to know what Rutherford is doing right now? He’s putting on the game face with an upcoming article. It will be a little apology, a stab at honesty, followed by five paragraphs of spinning insults of Tea Partiers highlighted wtih…

    We got Sharron Angle and Chrstine O’Donnell. And that restored sanity.

    You watch…bet it comes up this evening.

  275. Tigre, Bachmann played dumb like a FOX (pun intended). That was a beautiful take down as I said last night here.

    Don’t take the bait, stare into the camera with a huge smile, insult the host, and then say adios.

    That was perfect. That too will be included in Rutherford’s upcoming post, about how stupid Bachmann is.

    It will conclude with a little Palin bashing.

    Remember, you heard it here first: (1) Angle, (2) Bachmann, (3) O’Donnell, (4) Palin.

  276. In Graychin’s home state last night, there were four congressional house races and one senate race. One Republican district didn’t even draw an opponent.

    The winners were four Republicans, three house races and a Senator, with a Dim that votes like a Republican. Leaving the Dim out of the equation for a minute, a district that’s been gerrymandered to contain most of Oklahoma’s abject poverty, the average margin of victory was

    😈 45.2% 😈

    You think we don’ t like Obama where I live?

  277. She’s been taking lessons from Tex Taylor.

    Exactly. And that is why Bachmann was so effective, I could hear Chris Matthew’s ass chap through the speaker.

    That was an excellent example of how to treat MSNBC during an interview. I wish they would invite me on. I’ll bet I could have Keith Olbermann chewing his metrosexual shoe. Only be invited once, but it would make for good theater.

  278. “A scary black man was seen standing outside a polling place in Philadelphia. Seriously.”

    damn, I thought for sure it was going to be a picture of Obama. Then I saw you said “scary” not “scared.”

  279. “A scary black man member of the NBPP was seen standing loitering for hours outside a the same polling place in Philadelphia as last time.”

    Edited for accuracy.

    Supposedly he was there to “greet” people going in to vote. So why was he displaying political pins as a polling place worker?

    I would ask if that is even legal, but we already know that nobody gives a shit about that anymore.

    I say next election people should just start hiring KKK workers to stand outside polling places to greet people and as security.

    I mean..as long as they are just standing there with their garb on not saying anything or bothering anyone it is all cool, right?

    And why are you even bringing it up, Graychin? Aren’t you the one that turns into the local traffic cop whenever someone else brings it up?

    Again with the elitist hypocrisy….

  280. Marco Rubio – you guys will really hate his guts. More talented and polished speaker than The Chosen One, actually bright, and prettier than Obama.

    I don’t know about all that but Rubio certainly had his Obama moment last night during his victory speech. I was impressed. Now let’s see what kind of Senator he is. 😉

    P.S. There is a new post. As you’ll see, I deal with adversity through humor. It’s a defense mechanism. 😐

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