NPR President Vivian Schiller Should be Fired

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Wow, sometimes proving political correctness gone awry doesn’t get any easier than this. Apparently on Fox, Juan Williams told Bill O’Reilly that although he gets nervous when he sees Muslims boarding his flight, he thinks we need to control our prejudices. The first half of that comment got Williams summarily fired from his gig at NPR.

Now apparently, the defense for the firing according to NPR President Vivian Schiller was that Williams violated NPR terms of employment. This from the Huffington Post:

Schiller appeared at the Atlanta Press Club, where she defended the decision, saying that Williams had violated NPR’s guidelines barring its analysts from making personal or controversial statements.

via Juan Williams On NPR Firing: No One Spoke To Me Before Firing Me

Well for starters, does NPR really want to be that much of a yawner network? No personal or controversial statements? Does NPR stand for Not Particularly Relevant? It also defies logic since Williams made the statement (taken out of context) on Fox, not NPR.

But here’s the kicker. Schiller went on to say:

… he should keep his feelings about Muslims between himself and “his psychiatrist or his publicist.”

Now is it just me or does that comment sound the least bit personal or controversial? Seems to me old Viv ought to be fired if we’re gonna stick by NPR guidelines. Fortunately for Viv, she’s the President so she could give herself a day to make a public apology for the comment. Apparently Williams got no opportunity at all to defend himself.

Look, I’m not a huge fan of Juan Williams. I don’t think he’s the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree. But political correctness has gone too far when someone warns against prejudice by using himself as an example and then gets fired for his self-effacing candor.

When Barack Obama said that his white grandmother would sometimes make him cringe with racially insensitive comments, conservatives shouted that he threw his grandma under the bus (and some went as far as to say it proved he hates white people). We liberals came to his defense, reminding everyone of the full context of the comment, which included how much he loved the grandmother who partly raised him. If we’re going to be intellectually honest and consistent, we must now come to the defense of semi-conservative Juan Williams who made an honest and ultimately instructive comment about his views toward Muslims, when taken in full context.

Comedian Jackie Mason used to tell a joke about how he never got nervous if a bunch of Hasidim gathered behind him at an ATM machine (vs if a bunch of blacks did). The joke illustrates that we have a reason for our prejudices. It is incumbent upon us to reach deep into our better selves and overcome those prejudices. That was all Juan Williams was saying.

It’s an honest shame that Schiller and her cronies are so afraid of a fatwa being declared against them that they would not only trample on the First Amendment but do so to the detriment of a valuable discussion that we need to have in this country right now.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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279 thoughts on “NPR President Vivian Schiller Should be Fired

  1. Damn, I can’t believe it. Rutherford not only got something right, he did it without insulting Sarah Palin, Christine O’Donnell, Sharron Angle, or Liz Cheney in the process – all of whom agree with Rutherford, by the way.

    All he did was insult Juan Williams while defending him. He must be like that liberal Balloon Juice blogger who like Graychin still uses the endearing term Teabaggers and called Juan Williams Fox’s “lawn jockey”. 🙂 I thought you might like to know that Rutherford and enjoy the comments from all those wonderful progressive types like Graychin who treat you as “equal.”

    http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/10/21/juan-williams-should-have-been-fired-a-long-time-ago/

    By the way Rutherford. Not only will you ruffle the feathers of proud peacock Graychin Pragmatic, you’ll infuriate him with Not Particularly Relevant comments about National Progressive Radio. He’s probably been a little blue since Air America’s demise, not to mention he was hoping for a little George Soros infusion of cash of his own for the Two Useful Idiots blog. 😈

  2. Look, I’m not a huge fan of Juan Williams. I don’t think he’s the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree.

    Something we agree on. And who said we couldn’t find common ground?

    of semi-conservative Juan Williams

    I suppose that from your perspective, this is true, but as a conservative, I certainly don’t see him that way.

    All in all, an interesting opinion. I was a little harder on Williams, but then he did something years ago that left a bad taste in my mouth.

    http://threesurethingsoflife.wordpress.com/2010/10/21/strange-bedfellows/

  3. I agree, this was a poor call on NPR’s fault and yet another bit of evidence in the important “Get All The Information Before Acting” column.

    I will admit that I heard just the “ugly” half of Williams’ comments first and was briefly supportive of the notion of firing. The out of context quote does sound pretty damnable.

    But then, I heard the whole context.

    Did NPR learn nothing from the Sherrod incident?

  4. “The out of context quote does sound pretty damnable[?]”

    No, it sounds truthful.

    This isn’t a lesson in “think before acting” either.

    This is an absurd demonstration of the left’s favorate tool of quashing debate and controlling the message — Political Correctness, also referred to as Newspeak or Double Think.

    R, given your approach to race issues, I wondered whether this would serve as some kind of an epiphany. Naaaah, you’ll rationalize with some variation of Dan’s premise that the real harm was taking something out of context as opposed to the issue of censorship.

  5. As you all may have guessed, I listen to NPR – a lot! I am overjoyed that I will no longer start my days being annoyed by “analysis” from the dim bulb named Juan Williams.

    Paraphrasing Will Rogers’ remark about Okies migrating to California, Juan Williams leaving NPR for full time service at Faux News will raise the IQ of both organizations. And now Juan can be Juan over on Faux without having to try to maintain a veneer of civility consistent with his gig at NPR.

    Now if NPR would only fire Kokie Roberts, they would be left with a pretty good crew.

    I agree that Juan Williams should not have been fired for confessing his unease with people in Muslim garb. I doubt that there is anyone alive today who doesn’t feel “unease” around one or another ethnic group that happens to be “different.” As I have said before, I believe that human beings are hard-wired for what we call bigotry – fear of people who are “others” and “not like us.” It probably had survival value when we lived in small groups that encountered neighboring groups who competed for scarce resources.

    But Juan Williams definitely, absolutely, positively should have been fired by NPR for beginning a nationally broadcast sentence with “I’m not a bigot, but…” Williams is a professional journalist and talking head, and if he doesn’t know by now that a sentence that starts with “I’m not a bigot, but…” is going to end in disaster, then he’s just terminally, hopelessly stupid.

    Faux is just the right fit for Williams. (And did he land on his feet at Faux or what? He got a 3-year $ 2 mil contract within 24 hours of being canned by NPR! Showing his true colors was his ticket to stardom at Faux. Pride in prejudice is just what Faux is looking for. They peddle it day in, day out.

    Rutherford, I both agree and disagree with your comments. I agree enthusiastically that Vivian Schiller should be fired – but for the ham-handed way in which she handled this matter, not for the decision to fire Williams. A simple dignified statement would have been enough. Something like “Juan Williams’ remarks on Fox News do not conform to the standards and practices of NPR. We thank Juan for his service at NPR, and wish him well in his future endeavors.” Kind of like what CNN said upon firing Rick Sanchez. But no – she had to run her mouth. Bye bye, Vivian. I give her 7 days, tops, before she’s gone.

    I strongly disagree with your having dragged the First Amendment into this discussion. Neither Juan Williams nor you nor I have any First Amendment rights with respect to appearing on NPR. The First Amendment is about GOVERNMENT restrictions on speech. We already know that no statement is too outrageous to be applauded on Faux, but if Juan wants to supplement his income on the radio as well then he should find someone who wants to air him. Failing that, he should buy himself a radio station.

    Of course Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, and Mike Huckabee are piling on, along with some other “conservative” weirdos. The fact that they all are on the Faux payroll and despised NPR to begin with of course has no bearing on their opinions. I heard this morning that some moron even wants a Congressional investigation! But hey – it’s an election year, so the crazy just never ends.

  6. Tex, you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with Rachel Maddow’s sexuality.

    What’s the deal with that?

    You could benefit from the advice that Juan Williams was trying to give (in his clumsy way) on prejudice and bigotry on the Bill O’Reilly show. And I’m not talking about “unease” with Muslims.

  7. Greychin, the world you strive for is just like your Arayan fortress you chose to hide in for your remaining 120 months of life. Boring! The man who speaks of the merits of diversity doesn’t want any as neighbors, on his ghost town blog or even on the FM dial. You are a dusty can of green beans.

  8. “I couldn’t believe that woman’s snide comment about Juan’s psychiatrist. WTF was that?”

    Insight into the mindset of the ones that control our media.

  9. Aryan fortress? Obviously you have never been to Delaware County, Oklahoma. It’s anything BUT an Aryan fortress. But ignorance never stopped you from expressing your bigoted opinions about me and my neighbors before today.

    Sorry to disappoint you, but I have every expectation of being around, healthy and active, for a lot longer than in ten years. I eat right, I exercise a lot, and I have excellent longevity genes except for cholesterol issues that are mostly resolved with the miracle drugs know as “statins.” Another shattered dream for you?

    Rabbit, do you have anything to say about Rutherford’s thoughtful blog post? Or does your world revolve around hating me?

  10. My world revolves around hating you. To put it simply, I would like to kick your ass. (Theoretical statement not a threat)

    You basically said Juan should be fired because YOU don’t like him.

    I’m applying your own logic to you with a dash of Wayne County spice.

  11. Naaaah, you’ll rationalize with some variation of Dan’s premise that the real harm was taking something out of context as opposed to the issue of censorship.

    Tigre, you might want to re-read the last paragraph of my piece. Last time I looked the First Amendment addressed censorship (e.g. freedom of speech).

  12. Gray, I understand that the First Amendment does not protect you from being fired for “improper speech”. Indeed, when I was a corporate employee, conditions of employment involved not saying just anything I wanted in public. So I get that.

    BUT … in the industry of journalism, the First Amendment should be the guidepost by which folks operate. If NPR wanted a moderate-left leaning line-up with no “controversy”, then they shouldn’t have hired Juan in the first place. As others have said, the better approach here would be to let his contract expire instead of grand-standing by firing him.

    I also disagree about discussing our prejudices in a self-effacing way. There is a huge difference between saying “I hate those rag-heads” and “I know that radical Muslims brought down three planes and I know this is irrational but I have to admit I get uneasy when I see folks who look Muslim get on a plane with me.”

    I used to fly quite often on business. Long before 9/11 … and if you don’t think I found certain people waiting at the gate a bit disconcerting you can guess again. In my case, it didn’t tend to be racial or ethnic per se, but I damn sure looked people over and wondered if they might be nutjobs. Flying is serious sh*t. For all the emergency walk thru’s that you get from the stewardess, we all know that if anything bad goes down, we are most likely going to die. So I don’t blame anyone for bringing all sorts of fears to air travel. What radical Muslims did on 9/11 just ups the ante.

    To punish people for expressing that very reasonable fear is unhealthy.

    P.S. I would be a damn liar if I got angry with anyone on this blog for getting nervous if a black man in a Tee shirt and jeans started following them down a dark city street. It’s in the air … and it effects me as well. Now quite honestly if these same folks got nervous about a black dude in a suit and tie, then I’d have to wonder about them a bit.

    Prejudices are nothing to be proud of but they don’t come out of thin air. They come from a pattern of events that leads people to extrapolate to the bigger population. We need to guard against that extrapolation. And ironically that is just what Williams was saying. It was a healthy message.

  13. As you all may have guessed, I listen to NPR – a lot! I am overjoyed that I will no longer start my days being annoyed by “analysis” from the dim bulb named Juan Williams.

    SHOCKA! Graychin, you’re even more of a flaccid dick than I ever dreamed. A KKKostard, a lowlife – you’re so far out of your element in Oklahoma, I’m surprised your sorry ass hasn’t been lynched by now for your hypocrisy. Rabbit has you perfectly pegged you asshole!

    And Rabbit, you may never have been to Delaware County, but I was going there long before Graychin ever moved there. It wasn’t too many years ago if you were black, you weren’t traveling through Graychin’s adopted town at night – and unless Mr. Healthy is getting out of the confines of Jay/Eucha, OK , weeks would go bye before Gray “Jane” Fonda would see a black face. The man is a shameless liar and hypocrite.

    Graychin says he lives in a large “minority” neighborhood? 😆 😆 😆 Bullshit! Double Bullshit! Graychin’s making reference to the large “Native” American population known as Indians around here, which lives in abject poverty in and around Grand Lake – that is, unless they own the casino.

    Graychin, you are such a phony POS. A frickin joke…You and your idiot friend Yeller Dawg may be fooling people across the net, but you ain’t fooling me old man.

    Statins extending your miserable life. 😈

  14. Rutherford,

    Did you see your “progressive” brothers calling Juan Williams the “lawn jockey” of FOX News?

    Do you still think believe living in your cocoon that the real racists in America aren’t sitting over on the Left side of the aisle like I’ve tried to tell you? Those comments are Graychin’s crowd buddy. 😉

    You need to get your head out of the sand and realize when the curtains are drawn or the blacks faces no where to be found, your progressive party is racist to the core. And I hope those comments opened your eyes a little.

  15. For the record, when it comes to NPR I have no dog in this fight. I don’t listen to it often. I do like it’s easy-going public radio tone (fantastically spoofed on SNL). I do think they strive for quality. I just think they got this situation horribly wrong.

  16. Tex, you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with Rachel Maddow’s sexuality.

    I have a real obsession with calling out the hypocrites from the left – and you’re the worst Gramps. I’m still planning about your plan for life. Chop some more wood Pop! 😆

    How convenient that you failed to notice that 90% of the post was the “sanctimonious” non-apology that your “girl” gave for getting caught in another in her litany of daily lies and propaganda.

    Butch has once again been busted…and you’ve once again ignored the obvious.

  17. Well, my last comment on the prior thread called Gorilla to task for his Maddow condemnation.

    She corrected her misstatement which is what she typically does when she gets it wrong. Sorry gentlemen, just cos she doesn’t want to suck your dick doesn’t mean she ain’t one of the smartest analysts on TV today.

  18. “in the industry of journalism, the First Amendment should be the guidepost by which folks operate.”

    That’s just wrong. If a news organization has no standards for its contributors and lets them say any damn fool thing they want without accountability, then the organization will turn into _______. (Fill in the blank yourself.) The role of a news organization is to find and present news – not to provide a platform for its employees to spout off.

    When my local newspaper deletes offensive comments from its website, people often whine about the paper having taken away their “freedom of speech.” Those whiners should simply get their own website where they can have all the free speech they want. The paper is under no obligation to provide them with a platform and and audience at its own expense.

    Again, it doesn’t make sense to talk about the First Amendment outside the context of GOVERNMENT restrictions on freedom of speech or freedom of the press. It says “Congress (and by extension, the States) shall make no law…abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press…” It doesn’t mention the internal operations of news organizations.

  19. Rutherford, there is absolutely nothing prejudice about understanding that boarding a plane with a pack of Imams in Muslim garb is a risk that no other demographic poses.

    The fact that some have allowed politically correct assholes like Graychin, or that man hating CEO bitch from NPR, or a PC hack like Butch Madcow demand that we deny something so obvious, is to allow oneself to be purposely stuck on stupid.

    Self-preservation is an innate emotion, completely rationale, and the uneasiness of boarding planes with Muslims while unfortunate, is of Muslims own making. Considering the current history of the last decade of flying, is not only wise to be uneasy, but borne out by statistics.

  20. That’s just wrong. If a news organization has no standards for its contributors and lets them say any damn fool thing they want without accountability, then the organization will turn into _______.

    That’s not the issue Graychin. It’s the double standards applied in judgment and the fact that the real reason Juan Williams was fired was because he appears on FOX News – the only legitimate news source on TV.

    When is Nina Totenberg going to join Juan Williams, Mr. Jane Graychin? This from the same organization that let Bill Moyer spew his nonsense on their parent company for a hundred years?

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/nina-totenberg-next_511512.html

    When this is over with, it won’t be Juan Williams getting burned. NPR will be irreparably damaged over this – and finally they will be exposed for the leftist hack organization that they have been for years.

  21. Poor Tex – obsessed with Rachel Maddow’s sexuality, and now speculating about the flaccidity of my dick.

    Perhaps he needs more opportunity for positive outlet of his base instincts.

  22. The person most likely to try to blow up your airplane is not going to be attired in “Muslim garb.” He might have a Middle Eastern appearance, but I would expect him to be dressed just like you and me. I don’t recall any reports that the 9/11 hijackers were dressed like Saudi princes. Do you?

    That is why what Juan Williams said to Bill O’Reilly was so particularly stupid.

    Recently we have been subjected to pronouncements (especially on the network that now employs Juan Williams full-time) that “all terrorists are Muslims.” Is it really necessary for me to state the many examples of non-Muslim terrorists?

  23. Rabbit said: “You basically said Juan should be fired because YOU don’t like him.”

    Why do you guys insist on putting words in my mouth that I never said?

    I did NOT “basically” say that, and I still do not feel that way. I DID say that I don’t like Juan Williams. And I don’t. And I said that I’m GLAD he’s gone from NPR. And I am.

    But what I REALLY said about Williams’ firing (@ #7) was this:

    “Juan Williams definitely, absolutely, positively should have been fired by NPR for beginning a nationally broadcast sentence with “I’m not a bigot, but…” Williams is a professional journalist and talking head, and if he doesn’t know by now that a sentence that starts with “I’m not a bigot, but…” is going to end in disaster, then he’s just terminally, hopelessly stupid.”

    I guess you missed that. Please read it and retain it this time if you intend to comment some more about what I say. I meant it when I wrote it, and I still do. When you pal around with rodeo clowns, it’s inevitable that you will disgrace yourself sooner or later. Show me who you hang with, and I’ll show you what you are.

    I also agreed with Rutherford that Vivian Schiller should also be fired for her botched handling of this matter, and I predicted her departure from NPR within seven days. I stand by that statement also.

  24. Ah, the booger-eating morons at the Weekly Standard! Of course. Kristol can always be relied upon for the latest “conservative” nonsense.

    If the Weekly Standard had any standards, Kristol would have been fired for stupidity long ago. But since it was founded by News Corp and Kristol is its guiding light, I doubt that it’s remarks about Nina Totenberg are entirely “fair and balanced.”

    I would be heartbroken if Nina ever left NPR. No one does better reporting about cases before the Supreme Court. No one. And her personal opinions are invisible within that reporting.

    Even if the WS characterized Totenberg’s remarks on Inside Washington fairly (which I doubt), she said nothing that was comparable to Williams’ stupidity.

  25. Gray, I’m not saying Williams has a first amendment legal defense for his firing. Maybe freedom of speech misses the point.

    The point is that every journalistic outfit must draw a line between news and commentary. One of Fox’s faults is its failure to do so on so many occasions. Williams was engaging in commentary on another network. He never stated his views were the views of NPR.

    When NPR fires Williams for commentary made on another network, it reveals that they have some agenda. Again you have to ask yourself, if NPR wants to be on the left side of the argument why did they hire Williams in the first place, and barring that, why didn’t they fire him the minute he first appeared on Fox?

    We’ve got a lot of interesting stuff going on right now, much of which should sound alarm bells. Political litmus tests for employment in the media, and religious litmus tests for candidacy for higher office. It’s a scary world we’re living in right now.

  26. Link probably means “no more of my money for NPR stations.

    Two questions come to mind:

    1) What is Link’s history of contributions to NPR stations? (My guess is that he has never given them anything.)

    2) Why punish your public radio stations for the idiotic actions of Vivian Schiller? NPR is much more than NPR News and Ms. Schiller. And the NPR ombudsman has already criticized the Williams firing as “poorly handled.”

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130713285&ps=cprs

  27. Rutherford – I used to listen to Juan Williams when he hosted “Talk of the Nation.” I didn’t care for him back then, but he made a lot more sense then than he has recently in his role of “senior news analyst” on NPR.

    Williams has changed a lot since he first took on the dual role of Fox talking head and NPR news analyst. I guess that was a near-impossible bridge to span for anyone – contributing simultaneously to the most respectable news organization in America (NPR) and to a full-time trumpet of fear and Republican propaganda (you-know-who). Little by little, the Faux role (and its money) must have co-opted Williams, and he ultimately didn’t have the skills and cleverness to keep walking the tightrope. That “I’m not a bigot, but…” statement should be viewed as the straw that broke the camel’s back rather than viewed in isolation.

    Williams credibility was already severely compromised by his role at Faux. There is probably some truth to the charge that NPR wanted to get rid of him. NPR had already stopped him from using his NPR cred to boost his cred at Faux.

    I don’t believe that NPR “wants to be on the left side of the argument.” Left of Faux, yes. Who wouldn’t? I get infuriated with NPR sometimes for picking up on some of the same stupid threads that show up in the lamestream media, but the fact that I’m often left of NPR only shows that they aren’t all that left-wing either.

    NPR isn’t showing any agenda in firing Williams other than trying to retain some of the credibility that Williams has forfeited by going over to the Dark Side.

  28. About two years after I got out of the service, I had a really rough time. My girlfriend dumped me, I had nobody for a roommate, my friends and brothers were all still in the military and I had dropped out of community college in a vein attempt to win a game called Tomb Raider II.

    The upshot was that I found myself very alone, living in a tiny studio in a crack cocaine infested ghetto apartment complex.

    I couldn’t afford cable for my tiny 2nd hand tv set. So I really got into NPR. I have to admit, I learned a lot from Detroit Public Radio.

    So there I was, a loaded 22, my FM radio and a cloud of weed smoke.

    To this day, I still view this as one of the weirdest things I have ever done. Probably due to loneliness, I volunteered to answer phones for NPR during pledge week. LOL. Yes folks, the Rabbit was even interviewed live on the radio about how close we were to our “goal”.

    This was actually a defining moment for me, politically.

    I stuck out like a soar thumb. The other volunteers were by far, the most pretentious, fruity dill weeds I had ever met in my life. I remember driving home with a smirk on my face listening to the Great Voice of Great Lakes, the conservative WJR.

    I still throw on NPR sometimes. But the fact that an outfit so heavily reliant on tax dollars has such an obvious political agenda is now too much for me to take.

    Fuck NPR.

  29. listening to the Great Voice of Great Lakes, the conservative WJR.

    And sometimes, when it is quiet, I can close my eyes, and smell the breakfast my Grandma is cooking, while the unmistakable voice of the Late, Great J.P. McCarthy resonates from the little table radio my grandparents kept in the kitchen and tuned 24/7 to WJR….

  30. ” I would be a damn liar if I got angry with anyone on this blog for getting nervous if a black man in a Tee shirt and jeans started following them down a dark city street.”

    But we’re a bunch of racist assholes “afraid of the scary black man” if we get nervous about a militant black guy in khakis and a club standing outside a polling place a week after he was standing on a street corner calling for the murder of white folks “and they babies.”

    “What is Link’s history of contributions to NPR stations? (My guess is that he has never given them anything.)”

    My guess is that he’s a taxpayer.

    Let’s be honest here. We all know why Juan Williams was canned. And it doesn’t have anything to do with what he says and everything to do with where he says it…

    “Williams’ presence on the largely conservative and often contentious prime-time talk shows of Fox News has long been a sore point with NPR News executives.”

  31. So the phrase “I’m not a bigot, but…” uttered on another network is so offensive that Juan Williams should be fired?

    One of the reasons I fucking can’t stand most libs. You got to be a word smith, because heaven forbid something you say doesn’t fall within their Orwellian word bank.

    Dumbass. Juan Williams was saying he deals with somewhat irrational fears because of 9/11 and got fucking canned for it.

    Greychin, the sterile world you long for, the white, hospital clean forum that rests on only the elite’s accepted phrases, terminology and subject matter scares the shit out of me.

    Why don’t you just read your own blog in the mirror. That’s the world you want.

  32. “So reliant on tax dollars”???

    Is the figure of 2% of NPR’s budget not accurate?

    Rabbit, it’s too bad you didn’t spend those dark days listening to Rush and Hannity instead of NPR. With that association, its no wonder that you seem to identify with the polar opposite of NPR – AM talk radio.

    Your situation back then wasn’t the fault of boomers, or of fruity dill weeds either. Whose fault was it? Hard to say.

  33. I don’t recall any reports that the 9/11 hijackers were dressed like Saudi princes. Do you?

    Graychin, there’s been some speculation that statins actually help to improve memory – you need to increase your dosage of Lipitor.

    While the nineteen MUSLIMS that killed 3,000 U.S. Citizens were indeed dressed in American garb, I think you’ve forgotten several instances like this:

    (CBS/AP) Six Muslim scholars who were kicked off a US Airways flight last fall have filed a lawsuit claiming the airline discriminated against them and violated their civil rights.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/13/business/main2565568.shtml

  34. And Graychin,

    I would indeed welcome a concubine of women to deal with my opportunity of “base instincts.” 🙂

    But if my base instincts were left with what I imagine you are “opportuned with” there in that Mecca of Eucha of the Neosho, I would be signing up for priesthood about now. 😉

  35. Graychin makes a great point!

    “So reliant on tax dollars”??? Is the figure of 2% of NPR’s budget not accurate?

    Or so that is what they tell us. Of course, the parent company of NPR was recently granted an advance of about $500MM. So I’ll leave at that you’ll have no problem with announcing your support of letting NPR operate at 98% of budget?

    That’s good news that we won’t need to fight about.

  36. “Who’s fault was it? Hard to say.”-Greychin

    I blame Laura Craft.

    No, I suppose that was the Rabbit’s fault.

  37. Graychin, you are comedy gold. Really, you are – you’re a big fat, low hanging, rotten apple and classic over educated dumb ass.

    Consider this beauty! 😆 :lol; 😆

    Show me who you hang with, and I’ll show you what you are.

    By all means, let’s abide by Graychin’s standards of allowing the YELLER DAWG to be blog moderator and contributor.

    You’re absolutely right Graychin – show me who you hang with, and I’ll show you what you are.

    In your case, the village idiot’s assistant.

  38. Rabbit asked: So the phrase “I’m not a bigot, but…” uttered on another network is so offensive that Juan Williams should be fired?

    I never called it offensive. I called it stupid. Which it is. Can’t you read? Stop putting words in my mouth.

    It’s not like “I’m not bigoted but…” or its cousin “Some of my best friends are Martians but…” could possibly be a slip of the tongue. Everyone has been mocking that phrase for as long as I have been alive, and that’s a long time.

    It isn’t me you hate. As you said, you hate everyone you imagine to be part of your hated group of dillweeds who weren’t sufficiently respectful to an unemployed stoner in their midst. I get it.

    I’m serious – mention it to your shrink. That damn anti-progressive teachers’ union you belong to probably has an assistance program that would help you.

  39. Yeah, really. 2 percent? Cool. I don’t want to see NPR go off the air. Cut the peanuts given to them by tax payers and life goes on.

    Is it Laura Croft?

  40. Even if the WS characterized Totenberg’s remarks on Inside Washington fairly (which I doubt), she said nothing that was comparable to Williams’ stupidity. – Graychin

    You can see why Graychin loves Nina Totenberg…remember, Juan’s opinion worthy of firing. But if so, what does this rate?

  41. Is WHAT Laura Croft? Now I DON’T get it. Are you having flashbacks?

    Tex, what’s wrong with the Dawg? He’s a lot more intelligent, kind, civil and clever than you are. I have yet to see YOUR blog. You are the most odious human being I have ever encountered online. Since, thank God, I have never met you face to face, I don’t know if you could hold up that standard in person. I don’t care to know.

    This thread has degenerated into mindless ad hominem. I’m through here for now, but I might respond to anyone who actually addresses the subject of Rutherford’s thought-provoking post.

  42. NPR isn’t showing any agenda in firing Williams other than trying to retain some of the credibility that Williams has forfeited by going over to the Dark Side.

    Except that this is clearly a selective enforcement of NPR’s stated editorial standards and practices, as this article by a friend of mine points out:

    http://thehostages.wordpress.com/2010/10/21/on-juan-the-stoned-guest/

    The highlights:

    Gwen Ifill:

    The Commission on Presidential Debates (“CPD”) vetted Ms. Ifill for the role. When she was chosen as moderator, Ms. Ifill was completing a book entitled “The Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama,” which she failed to disclose to the CPD. Ifill had a monetary interest in the outcome of the election, and her failure to disclose would seem to be a rather substantial ethical breach. Not only did she fail to disclose to the CPD, but she casually brushed aside questions of her impartiality and never disclosed the book before or during the debate itself.

    Terry Gross:

    In 2003, Terry Gross, host of NPR’s “Hot Air,” interviewed Al Franken about his book Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right, which is devoted in part to assailing Bill O’Reilly’s credibility and conservative opinions. Shortly thereafter, Ms. Gross interviewed Bill-O. Gross’ O’Reilly interview spawned an influx of reader feedback to Jeffrey Dvorkin, the NPR Ombudsman. Mr. Dvorkin’s response to reader concerns included this gem:

    believe the listeners were not well served by this interview. It may have illustrated the “cultural wars” that seem to be flaring in the country. Unfortunately, the interview only served to confirm the belief, held by some, in NPR’s liberal media bias.

    Nina Totenberg:

    On July 8, 1995, National Public Radio and ABC News reporter Nina Totenberg reacted to Senator Jesse Helms’ claim that the government spends too much on AIDS research with this quote on Inside Washington:

    Inside Washington host Tina Gulland: “I don’t think I have any Jesse Helms defenders here. Nina?”
    Nina Totenberg: “Not me, I think he ought to be worried about what’s going on in the Good Lord’s mind, because if there is retributive justice, he’ll get AIDS from a transfusion, or one of his grandchildren will get it.”

    Having said that, if their contract with Williams allowed them to dismiss him in the way that they did, I’m all for it. The story here is about their rank hypocrisy, practiced while pretending to be a neutral reporter and commentor on current events, and how fast the protections of Politicallly Correct Principles can be revoked for a member of a protected class who dares utter something not in conformity with the approved beliefs and speech code.

  43. Rabbit, make sure you watch 18 seconds of #48. I think it will explain fully to you why I question Graychin’s candor, honesty, and lucidness. Why I unmercifully mock Graychin’s comments time after time.

  44. R said, “Tigre, you might want to re-read the last paragraph of my piece. Last time I looked the First Amendment addressed censorship (e.g. freedom of speech).”

    I did. And you missed my point.

    In the first part of comment, I said: “given your approach to race issues, I wondered whether this would serve as some kind of an epiphany.”

    I’m talking about the “tool” to control the message. Political correctness. Not the limits of the First Amendment on censorship. Remember where the discussion led when you and Greychin attempted draw something sinister from my use of the term “balck community” through the guise of political correctness, like Williams’ comment here? That was the epiphany and censorship I was referring to.

  45. Tex, what’s wrong with the Dawg? He’s a lot more intelligent, kind, civil and clever than you are.

    😈 Would you care to put little, old me to the test against the invincible Dawg and his worldly knowledge? Did I mention Dawg told me he had a PHD in Physical Chemistry? 😆

    I have yet to see YOUR blog.

    And you won’t. Why would I bother when I can harass you and let bohunks like you provide the forum?

    You are the most odious human being I have ever encountered online.

    Excellent. That is exactly what I intend for you to think. I only hope I can ramp up your hatred..

    Since, thank God, I have never met you face to face, I don’t know if you could hold up that standard in person.

    Oh, that’s a shame. Because I was certainly looking forward to meeting up with you. Not only would I have the privilege of humiliating you in the real world, it would give me the opportunity to kick your pathetic ass back to that shit hole from which you crawled. 😉

  46. “This thread has degenerated into mindless ad hominem. ”

    In which you have taken part (see #46).

    Run away, hypocrite….

  47. Lol…I just re-read my post about my dark days. My loaded 22 was for self defense. I wasn’t sitting there thinking about offing myself.

  48. On a side note, I took today off to watch the baby’s cast come off. X-ray all good.

    Good to hear, dude. Kids heal fast …. you and I, not so much. 🙂

    Not saying this for the sympathy vote but merely to convey I’ve been in your kid’s shoes. I had multiple surgeries as a very young child (I’m guessing they ended about age 4) to minimize the effect of what used to be called “birth defects”. One of my earliest memories was laying on a table getting a cast cut off and believing with all my heart that the doctor was going to cut my toes off. I was terrified. The other PTSD I suffered was going to the dry cleaners as a kid. The smell of the dry cleaner reminded me of the smell of ether that they gave me to put me out before surgery. I don’t think I went inside a dry cleaner more than once or twice until I was an adult. Even now I don’t go into one without the back of my mind thinking about surgery.

  49. My loaded 22 was for self defense. I wasn’t sitting there thinking about offing myself.

    LOL I knew that from previous comments you had made about sleeping with a gun when you lived in a rough neighborhood.

    So there I was, a loaded 22, my FM radio and a cloud of weed smoke.

    Still even with that knowledge, the image makes for one hell of an “elevator pitch”. 😀

  50. Vivian Schiller should start up dating her resume

    Morris, welcome to the blog. You and Graychin seem to think there will be repercussions for this. I actually doubt it. Schiller is a big-wig. I think she will survive this.

  51. Now Huck, I really don’t want to relitigate the NBPP thing again but honestly I DO find a difference between being followed by a stranger down a dark city street and seeing someone, known in the neighborhood, in broad daylight outside a polling place … no matter how “menacing” he might have looked.

    Besides (and God I hate to ask this and open the damn can of worms up again) do you really think the NBPP “soldier” was there to keep black people from voting? It was a black neighborhood for heaven’s sake.

  52. By the way, by NPR’s standards it is AMAZING that Totenberg got away with that statement regarding Helms.

    There is no denying it is great evidence for the prosecution.

  53. It looks like a hit is out on Nina Totenberg. The right-wing noise machine has dug up eighteen seconds of something she said fifteen years ago. They smell blood in the water, and they retaliate when one of the Faux Noise gang is attacked. It’s gonna get ugly.

    You can bet that the RWNM’s their trolls and orcs are combing through the tapes and transcripts of everything that any present NPR person has ever said for something as dumb as Juan Williams said to O’Reilly.

    The RWNM could take credit for nailing Vivian Schiller’s scalp on their barn door if they would go after her, even though she’s already a dead president walking. But for some reason they picked out Nina Totenberg for destruction. I think Nina is pretty much bulletproof today.

    I’m guessing that Nina got a pass back in the last century because Jesse Helms was her target. Speaking of odious human beings……

  54. So there I was, a loaded 22, my FM radio and a cloud of weed smoke.

    The image does make you wonder why the Rabbit didn’t get lots of hugs at the NPR fundraiser.

    The poor thing…. 😀

  55. It looks like a hit is out on Nina Totenberg.

    I could care less. NPR may as well be dead air to me as far as I’m concerned. I don’t even listen to the Car Guys anymore, and that was the only thing I found remotely worthwhile on NPR in the last 8 years of so.

    What it does is point out that the editorial standards of NPR apply to some people who work there, but not others.

    and they retaliate when one of the Faux Noise gang is attacked

    I’m not thrilled at all that the right is now claiming him as one of their own, and making a bigger place for him. It makes me feel like a member of a sports team that trades something of value for another team’s overpriced and underperforming talent. I want to tell Roger Ailes that if he wanted to get a lefty that can at least make a novel; case for the leftist view, he ought to offer Irwin Chimerinsky a contract instead.

  56. Juan was fired for three reasons:
    1) The fact that he associated with Fox made him a prime target, they just needed a reason, any reason.

    2) The fact that it said anything remotely disparaging about Islam.

    3) He had the nerve to not back down and stick by his comment.

    This is but yet another piece of evidence proving my last post.

    As for the Chin. I’ve read all the comments thus far, and with out a doubt, you have demonstrated for us all exactly why we should tar and feather the left. You’re a biggot. You’re an intellectual midget bent on getting the thought police involved in anything that even remotely conflicts with your demented, twisted view. This site has denigrated? Only when you’re around. You don’t provide substance and you don’t provide thought provoking commentary.

    I miss HP. I’d put a round through your head in a nano-second, except that I think you’re far more useful as an example of what is evil and wrong with the left. In case I’m not clear- and I’m sure I’m not alone in my thoughts- I hate every fabric of your being.

  57. I’d put a round through your head in a nano-second, except that I think you’re far more useful as an example of what is evil and wrong with the left.

    Amen and a waste of a bullet. Like Animal said in Full Metal Jacket – leave her for the rats.

    So Graychin thinks Nina Totenberg is the only one getting preferential treatment. How about this beauty nobody has mentioned here? And this Graychin clone is still with NPR. Why wasn’ t he shitcanned?

    Originally published in Current, Jan. 15, 1996

    NPR commentator Andrei Codrescu was not exactly penitent about a remark that offended fundamentalist Christians over the holidays, although NPR has apologized for his comment.

    Codrescu’s Dec. 19 All Things Considered commentary derided the belief, held by some Christians, that at world’s end all those who are “saved” will ascend immediately to Heaven and the rest of the population will suffer Armageddon and wind up in Hell. Reading from a pamphlet he was handed on the street, Codrescu said that believers in the “rapture” predict that more than 4 million people will depart in less than a fifth of a second. He went on to say that “The evaporation of 4 million who believe this crap would leave the world an instantly better place.”

    “As soon as it aired, we realized it shouldn’t have made it to air,” says NPR spokesperson Kathy Scott. “We started working on an apology before we got any reaction.”

    Yeah Kathy, right. But why wasn’t Codrescu fired?

  58. I dedicate this to Senator Ma’am of California. This one is funny even for Libs that have a sense of humor like Rutherford. Graychin won’t get it….

  59. “do you really think the NBPP “soldier” was there to keep black people from voting?”

    Huh? Unless I missed the conference where everyone here claimed to be black, I don’t see what that has to do with anything either of us said.

    You basically claimed it was understandable if “anyone on this blog” got afraid when followed down a dark street by a black man.

    To which I replied about any of us being afraid of an armed black man outside a polling place who had been threatening whites.

    And you’re not seeing the connection? Really?…..

  60. I hate baseball, almost as much as I hate the Chin. Not so much the sport as it is the players. Steroids, cocaine, boring as shit. I obviously don’t really have a team, well, maybe the Mariners but I’ve always had masochistic tendencies I guess, but I do have teams I hate. One is the Boston Redsocks. Talk about a bunch of fucking yuppy bandwagon pussies. I like the Yankees for no other reason than it allows me to more openly hate the Redsocks.

    Moral of the story, I’m glad someone else one. 😉

  61. What, you hate apple pie too?

    What the hell is wrong with you, man? 🙂

    Baseball does nothing but reflect the times, dude. Steroids were a part of the times. The record book is one giant *mark anyways, as black and hispanics weren’t allowed to play. Trust me, steroids are being weeded out, the stats don’t lie.

    Aint nothing like spending 10 bucks on a balmy summer night to go watch your team play in a pennant race.

    I can lose myself for an hour in just the stats alone.

    Plus, in what other sport can little fellahs from Korea, massive hulking monsters from Iowa and fat dudes from the Dominican Republic all compete on the same field?

    Teams like my Tigers have been playing downtown for over a 100 years! You can’t rip on a 100 years!!

    Baseball players aren’t angels. Well, unless their playing in California. But, just like any other sport, some of them are bad apples, some of them good guys. When my son was born I accidentally got off the elevator on the wrong floor. I saw Brandon Inge and Curtis Granderson spending time with dying kids. The nurse said she can’t even count how many times they had visited.

    But, yeah…fuck the Red Sox.

  62. I re read your post. Red Sox fans are horrible. But Cubs fans take the cake.

    The worst fan of them all is a phony White Sox fan.

    I will never forget when Obama got caught totally lying about baseball. I know some people will laugh that kind of stuff off, but I don’t think I could ever vote for a guy who fakes being a fan. Just man up and say you hate the sport or don’t watch or whatever.

  63. The Ape says at #68 that he would like to put a bullet in my head!

    Tex seems to agree at #71.

    Then read what the Ape had to say at #76. What a sourpuss!

    The Rabbit says at #37 that he “fucking can’t stand most libs.”

    Guys, lighten up – it’s only a political conversation, not life and death.! It’s baseball playoff time, college football is going strong, the pros are there on Sunday. The fall weather has been gorgeous. What’s to be so angry about?

    And concerning your obviously strong feelings about me – get some perspective, OK? I’m just a retired guy in rural Oklahoma, expressing my thoughts and maybe tweaking your noses a bit. Why all the hostility?

    Here’s a little humor to brighten your day. You need it.

    .
    Rutherford, some of your regular commenters seem to have real anger management issues. Serious ones, maybe dangerous ones. The bile gushes out of them like they’re pumping it through fire hoses.

    You’re an objective bystander. Am I really THAT provocative? Or is it that these guys just aren’t used to having the little bubble of their overlapping ideologies and worldviews popped? It’s just amazing to me. Absolutely amazing.

  64. Dude, you are a constant prick. You slur and label people constantly. And you never show any humanity. Never any self effacing humor. Never a glimpse into your soul. You are an Elric. Tex may be vile at times, but at times, shows true empathy. In other words, he’s human.

    You are a bot. Your direspectful tone never wanes.

    However, lose your hubris. None of us are thinking about Greychin outside of this blog.

  65. It’s called being a phony ass politician. I can’t find a video of it, because of the MLB’s strict copy right issues. Obama clearly was lying about being a White Sox fan to gain street cred with the plebs. He isn’t the only politician to be caught doing this. It bugs the hell out of me and I argue rightfully so.

  66. I don’t mind most people from the left. Dude, I grew up in a suburb made up of Detroit line workers I should have refined my comment. I usually can’t stand elitist libs.

  67. oh ….you? i don’t really give a shit what you are. your accusations, name calling , stereotyping and bigotry never ends, man. you also like to brag quite a bit.

    rage? not really. it might come off as much on here. things get depersonalized on here at times, akin to road rage.

    some anger?

    perhaps.

    again, you wouldn’t understand. you have no chips in the game, old man

    do you have kids?

  68. Daughter, great son-in-law,and two amazing grandkids. So what?

    Seriously, what makes me “elitist”? So- called conservatives like to throw that epithet around liberally, but I have no idea what, if anything, it is supposed to mean. Or is it just something that seems to sound bad while not meaning anything?

    Sound and fury signifying nothing?

  69. Anger management issues Graychin? 🙄 You’re provocateur extraordinaire and hack – and as misplaced as that moron and lackey Bruce Plante and his cartoons. The self-announced smartest guy in the room; a greasy politician; a phony, self-serving propagandist and transparent liar. And a coward.

    You’re a primped poodle who strolls into the dog fight like your shit don’t stink and barks a little. Then a badder dog snaps you back and puts you in your rightful, cowardly corner, you piss on the floor, whimpering for the moderator leash or push the censor button.

    I had a “conversation” once with Plante off-line, and he is nothing but a toady for the Tulsa World editorial board – profoundly ignorant with the facts like your buddy the Yeller Dawg and just like Yeller, a pathetically weak man. And just like you, Plante falsely advertises himself as something he is not. He too is a liar. And just like you, Plante is disdained in all but the little circle he runs.

    I’ll tell you what I’m going to do with provocative punks like you Graychin. I’m going to wait. And I’m going to watch your type slowly circle the drain, just like the Tulsa World. And when that day arrives and time is up, I’m going to be there to remind you that you weren’t quite as cool, quite as smart, quite as prominent or important as you’d like to have thought yourself.

  70. Here’s what a large, top-heavy federal employee district will get you for an outstanding, long-term liberal representative.

    “What Republicans do is find candidates, usually stealth candidates, that haven’t been in office, haven’t served or performed in any kind of public service. My opponent is typical, frankly.” ~ Jim Moran (VA-8) speaking at the Arlington County Democratic Committee

    Problem is, here is the brief synopsis of Jim’s Republican opponent:

    Moran’s opponent “happens to be Col. Patrick Murray (US Army-Ret.), who served 24 years in uniform, was deployed to four different combat zones, including Baghdad, as part of the 2007 troop surge under Gen. David Petraeus, and was even shot at by foreign combatants.”

    What wonderful respect the liberal establishment has for the men in uniform. And while disrespecting them, did I mention you can also disenfranchise the military by not getting the voting ballots out in a timely fashion so they can vote?

  71. Yeah – I guess you do have anger issues.

    After all, it was only yesterday that you were talking about “the elite’s accepted phrases, terminology and subject matter…” (#37)

    Do you really, seriously, believe that Moran doesn’t consider military service to be “public service”? Do you think he just might have meant RELEVANT public service? (Like being Mayor of Wasilla, for example?) Just maybe, could it have been a poor choice of words and not a a tell about his contempt for the military?

    (That’s right – I don’t think that being an Army colonel – who was shot at! – is particularly relevant experience qualifying one for a seat in Congress. But a guy has to start somewhere, doesn’t he?)

    It’s always nice to wake up to the latest faux outrage from the RWNM, isn’t it? I’ve often wondered what kind of people actually get angry over some of the stuff that they come up with. Now I know – it’s Tex and the Rabbit!

    Since the Rabbit seems to have decided to decline my invitation to explain just what an “elite” is, and how you tell an “elite” person from a “real American,” perhaps one of you other arbiters of “real” people would like to chime in?

    Like I said before, I think that this “elite” nonsense is all sound and fury, signifying nothing.

  72. Lol…there isn’t a thing Tex can say that you won’t argue.

    Elites, to me, are people who constantly try to engineer the collective at the expense of the individual, particularly when said engineer doesn’t, for all practical purposes, have to make the required sacrifice.

    For example, Al Gore flies around the country when he is not at the energy sucking mansion, lecturing the Rabbit about his energy consumption.

    Or, some fuck wad barricaded in an all white community who has the nerve to actually dictate the narrative of race relations down to the very terms used in the conversation.

    Or some head of NPR fires a dude for an un-PC tone via un-PC rhetoric.

  73. I might admit to 5 percent of the dumb things I’ve done in my life on here, but please don’t confuse me as some hoodwinked hood rat suckered into conservatism by my base instincts.

    You might disagree with my stance, but I have arrived at my world view via reason. That story about those fem bots at the NPR fund-raiser was tongue in cheek. Just because I laugh at weak wristed libs doesn’t mean that’s why I reject them.

  74. Silence – the “smartest guy on the continent” Graychin has spoken! And in his book, excuses are like assholes. Always, always with the convenient excuse to absolve any Dim’s arrogance and entitlement as ‘misstatement.’

    It was just a “maybe, could it have been a poor choice of words.” Maybe, just maybe there was a problem with the mail service when the military didn’t get their ballots on time. Maybe, just maybe those folks in Washington weren’t aware they were using illegal aliens to canvass for votes in Washington.

    I mean, to get shot at in combat is not nearly as brave as mouthing platitudes from “rural Oklahoma” on an anonymous blog. But you got to start somewhere…

    —————-

    Here’s what an elitist snob is Graychin. Very easy, with Obama, Al Gore, and Hillary Rotten being first on the list. A liberal elitist is one who holds to the belief that the masses of Americans, especially those living 50 miles or more from the coasts and not residing in D.C., aren’t capable of managing their lives or determining what’s fair, equitable and just without their (elites) intellectual intervention which to be facilitated and administrated by government and media – exclusive of Faux News of course.

    It’s usually accompanied by a Liberal Arts or Law degree from Ivy League or liberal equivalent school like Wellesley, Stanford, or U. Chicago and a high degree of social snobbery – only political liberals welcome. There are many wannabees though that demonstrate wisdom like, “if we only could put more money into public education, just imagine what these poor, poor teachers could do!”

    Their policies are operate under the titles of social justice, wall of separation of church and state, minority opinion to prevail over majority opinion, “We are the Ones”, social capitalism, progressive taxation, American Imperialism, historical white racism, homophobia, moral relativism, tolerance, islamophobia, and ‘it takes a village.’ One caveat – none of the above can be applicable to the liberal elites due to birthright and innate wisdom.

    It’s that well-credentialed group reaching across government, academia, the media, non-profits, arts, entertainment, business and finance that believes it should rule because – well, you’re just certifiably better than the rest of us. You’ve only made it to wannabee status yet.

  75. Thank you, Rabbit. That’s a start towards my understanding of what you are talking about.

    But I still question your use of the word “elite.” Here are the dictionary definitions:

    – the choice or best of anything considered collectively, as of a group or class of persons.

    – persons of the highest class: Only the elite were there.

    – a group of persons exercising the major share of authority or influence within a larger group: the power elite of a major political party.

    Can we agree that both Al Gore and I are none of the above?

    It sounds to me as if what you actually dislike are self-righteous busybodies. Perhaps we can also agree that those exist on both sides of the political fence.

    Or do you only dislike the self-righteous busybodies whom you don’t agree with?

    (As an aside, the whole “PC” thing applies to both sides of the fence as well. Can we agree that there is also a strong element of “conservative” political correctness, and condemnation of those who don’t toe its line?)

  76. Like I said before, I think that this “elite” nonsense is all sound and fury, signifying nothing.

    Enough nonsense that you though enough to go find a pathetic cartoon from the insufferable phony Bruce Plante once again castigating the “Teabaggers”, then ask for definition. I think it’s burning your old, wrinkled ass so I am going to start using “liberal elites” in every post.

    P.S. – Something tells me in about 10 days, you’re going to be lying in the supine position, your mouth gaped, with one hairy ball residing in each cheek. And rest assured, Mr. Plante, the equal opportunity “disser” will be lying beside you. See you at the polls Mr. Pragmatic. 😉

  77. Remember when David Frum got canned by the American Enterprise Institute? Where was the outrage?

    It happened right after Frum said “Republicans originally thought that Fox worked for us, and now we are discovering we work for Fox.”

    Fox News, in the middle of another PC firing? Hmmmm…….

  78. David Frum? 😆 You liberal elite loons from far left are just eaten up with the cocktail napkin David Frum crowd. The outrage? Man, weren’t you aware he terminated himself? Your analogy is outright stupid for a host of reasons I need not even mention.

    This will memorialize our conversation at lunch today. Effective immediately, my position as a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute is terminated. I appreciate the consideration that delays my emptying of my office until after my return from travel next week. Premises will be vacated no later than April 9.

    I have had many fruitful years at the American Enterprise Institute, and I do regret this abrupt and unexpected conclusion of our relationship.

    Very truly yours,

    David Frum

    Liberal elitist coward like you – couldn’t handle the heat because he wasn’t getting enough invites to Bongo’s wild weekend rap and gay porn parties.

    It’s the same game plan every time. Find a dumbass like Frum or Valley Girl Meghan McCain and hold them up as someone persecuted by “their own.”

  79. R, I agree with your original comment, that it’s Vivian Schiller who should be fired. I’m late to the discussion, but thought I would read the comments before me. I only made it to comment #15. I was pretty sure what I would find. Glee at a liberal who goofed, and indeed, this was a huge misstep, in my opinion. Everybody gets to have fun hopping on those missteps..e.g., Christine O’Donnell declaring she is not a witch.
    But liberals “quashing debate and controlling the message”? Please. And I’m not even a liberal. I’m a left-leaning moderate by every definition.
    I see that since I last visited, “Tex Taylor” has gotten worse. The P.S. in comment #95 is chilling. He still scares me.

  80. I’m a left-leaning moderate by every definition.

    Oh Lawd! 😈 There isn’t a more conniving, cowardly LIB on the net.

    I see that since I last visited, “Tex Taylor” has gotten worse. The P.S. in comment #95 is chilling. He still scares me.

    You know how it is Pepe. You and Graychin always bring out the worst in me. Even I’m susceptible to the disease of “liberal elitism.”

    But that comment scares you after we talked about capping Graychin? 😆 Man, you’re even more of a moonbat than I thought. If we’re not all radicals, we’re extremists. You’ve got moonbat lingo down pat.

    Pure progressive dolt.

  81. And as for Amendment 1. Yes, we do have freedom of speech, we just don’t have freedom of speech without consequences. In an employment situation, you may say what you like, it’s just that afterwards you may not work there any more. But you won’t be jailed. There are restrictions outside of the workplace as well, for which you may in fact be jailed. Inciting to riot, pornography, etc. You are free to engage in those activities all you want, as long as you’re willing to accept the consequences. Freedom of speech is not unlimited.

  82. “Sounds like non-specific, unfocused rage to me.”

    Much like the rage Obama tried to create around foreign money stealing our democracy, John Beohner, Fox News, oil companies, the rich……..

    Since you are so eager to defend liberals with “it happens on both sides of the isle” surely you will admit that selling unfounded fear and outrage also falls into that category, no?

  83. I see that since I last visited, “Tex Taylor” has gotten worse. The P.S. in comment #95 is chilling. He still scares me.

    People like the Chin checked civility at the door when they and he started to gleefully use the term “teabagger” without seriously considering what that would make him. Tex is reminding him that the term is less flattering for him, and those who share his view and use the term like some giggling schoolboys who think they are being clever.

    Not my cup of tea, as Chin can usually be tweaked with facts that he hopes the rest of us don’t know, or that he himself is ignorant of, but politics has historically been a place where the thin-skinned have no rest, since Jefferson’s campaign first accused Adams of having a “hideous hermaphroditical character, which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman.”

    To which Adams’ responded by stating of Jefferson that he was “a mean-spirited, low-lived fellow, the son of a half-breed Indian squaw, sired by a Virginia mulatto father.”

  84. This is the first venture I’ve made on this blog since the death of the Hippie Professor, which seriously shocked and saddened me. He was a better person than I am. He tried to find the kernel of truth in everyone’s opinion, and encourage it.
    When you ,Tex, post a comment that a guy is going to find his testicles in his mouth, I call that uncivilized and scary. I can’t for the life of me figure out why Hippie Professor and R put up with you. The number of names you’ve called me just keeps growing.
    I think you love the attention, and I try not to give it to you, but someone has to.

  85. Lol…BiC…that cracked me up. Someone should put together a book of all the low brow flaming in early politics up to Andrew Jackson. Make it absent of any meaningful politics. Just straight up funny dissing. That shit is priceless.

  86. BIW..reminds me of something I recently heard, and I don’t know if it’s true or just an anecdote. Lady Astor to Winston Churchill: Sir, if you were my husband, I would poison your drink. Chruchill: if I were your husband, I would drink it.
    I think we are supposed to evolve rather than devolve.

  87. The same Andrew Jackson who spent the entirety of John Quincy Adams’ term in office setting the precedent of the Democratic Party whining?

    In his case, it was of the “corrupt bargain” that elected Adams after the vote in the House of Representatives, most recently it carried through George W. Bush’s two terms, and now focuses on their loud projection, and general talking down to the people too stubborn to simply submit to their masters.

  88. I think we are supposed to evolve rather than devolve.

    And it’s thinking like that which leads to fundamental misunderstandings of the purpose of government like those held by the current resident of the Oval Office. He maintains that illusion by editing and misquoting previously leaders far more accomplished and intelligent than he is. How do you do it?

  89. Would we be talking about Indian killer Jackson? The guy who was the first Governor of Florida (while it was still a territory), who after a couple of weeks said he quit? (Still too many Indians, and mosquitos.)You won’t get any argument from me about Andrew Jackson.
    But there is no fundamental misunderstanding. The fundamental role of government is to protect its citizens. Our fundamental disagreements are about how to do that, and what is a priority.
    As for President Obama, I doubt you can find anyone more accomplished and intelligent…certainly not among the ranks of recent Presidents. It’s just that intelligence is not all there is to it.

  90. Chin, the distinction that is not always best articulated is not focused on the definition of elite as much as it is the attitudes deeply ingrained in those who demonstrate time and again that they consider themselves to be superior to the rest of us, and therefore qualified to do as they please on our behalf and then tell us that we ought to be thanking them when we register our displeasure.

    I have tried to limit my description of them to calling them the “self-appointed cognoscienti” or “our betters”, because I think this more accurately describes the degree of arrogance and condescension with which they view the rest of us and our “quaint” ideals. However, if you want to limit it to a variation on elite, I’ll let the Dread Emperor himself describe it as only he can, in his latest Fisking of one of the prime examples of the self-appointed cognoscienti, Michael Kinsey:

    That’s the difference between “elite” and “elitist.” Once again, you might want to familiarize yourself a bit more with the language that you claim is your native one, because you’re clearly struggling.

    Somebody who is “elite” is way above average in whatever area he’s an “elite” in. It doesn’t even have to be “smarts.” An elite sniper, for instance, may not be very well versed in the writings of Rene Descartes, he doesn’t need to be, but that doesn’t change the fact that he can put a cap in your left eye socket from a mile out. In a heavy, gusting crosswind.

    An “elitist”, on the other hand, is somebody who thinks that his “elite” (real or otherwise) status in some area translates into him being better qualified than everybody else in every area. If our sniper were to say that his uncanny skills in putting lead on target made him the best guy in the room to perform a quadruple bypass operation on a squirrel, he’d be an “elitist.”

    http://nicedoggie.net/index.php/archives/2470

  91. Fake is another one of those “smartest” girl in the room, but too ignorant to understand the technicalities of “teabagger.”

    When you ,Tex, post a comment that a guy is going to find his testicles in his mouth, I call that uncivilized and scary.

    What I find uncivilized and scary are imbeciles masquerading as “scholars” that don’t understand those ‘testicles’ Mr. Pragmatic finds in his mouth won’t be his own.

    I can’t for the life of me figure out why Hippie Professor and R put up with you.

    They put up with me because on most occasions we joust in both a teasing and once in a blue moon intelligent manner – two qualities you desperately lack: a sense of humor and intelligence. Neither are/were they cowardly fascists like you that attempt to control both the forum and narrative under the ruse of what you deem civilized Ms. Jackboot. I both like and respect Rutherford and enjoyed Jim Dougan’s gentlemanly manner. Unlike you, they don’t play resident thought police.

    The number of names you’ve called me just keeps growing.

    Is this the prissy little puke that before I ever said one word to her called me “troll”, called for my banning on another blog, then finally refers to as extremist? Spare me the sanctimony Pepe. You more than deserved to be mocked.

    I’m going to have to find you a man…I’ll see if I can locate a real wimp. Graychin would be a fine candidate, but he’s old enough to be your grandpa.

  92. As for President Obama, I doubt you can find anyone more accomplished and intelligent…certainly not among the ranks of recent Presidents. It’s just that intelligence is not all there is to it.

    How do you define ‘accomplished’?

    As for intelligent, any “Constitutional Scholar” who refers to the Constitution as a “Charter of Negative Liberties” and laments the fact that it doesn’t address any ability for the government to “redistribute wealth” has likely disqualified himself from any classification of being the most intelligent of all recent U.S. Presidents.
    However, if you were going to make that distinction based on their academic records, Obama isn’t even in the running, as his credentials are sealed up tight and remain a state secret. As much as it pains me to say it, the honor probably goes to Billy Jeff the Philanderer, as he was a Rhodes Scholar.

  93. As for President Obama, I doubt you can find anyone more accomplished and intelligent…certainly not among the ranks of recent Presidents.

    Is this the brilliant and accomplished President that refers to CORPSEman three times in a speech? 😐 Should we run thru the list of major league, daily gaffes from the accomplished Obama? Because I’ve got a litany of things I can provide that will far surpass anything the “bumbling” George Bush ever said.

    And what are these accomplishments you speak? Are they the ones behind lock and key that we’re supposed to accept as fact?

    You are the stereotypical rube I find in the Left Hemisphere Fake. Spoon fed mush from biased MSM sources, chock full of preconceived notions you want to believe truth.

  94. BiC,

    Don’t be too sold on the “Rhodes Scholar.” Since my own eldest daughter was nominated as candidate without benefit of politic or legacy this year, I’ve had the opportunity to “review” the requirements for the Oscar of educational scholarship.

    For instance, what exactly are the athletic abilities of either Rachel Maddow or the Slick the serial rapist? 😆 Jogging for the Big Mac?

    While I too will admit Clinton far wiser than Obama will ever be on his best day, and it may be true Clinton the most ‘cerebral’ of recent Presidents, trust me on this one. Rhodes Scholarship is both political and highly overrated to determine merit.

    My own daughter said, “Thanks, both no thanks” after a discussion with the nominating panel.

  95. Good post Rutherford on all counts!!!!
    I actually like Juan and although I don’t find him as good as McWhorter or Cosby on the respective issues I find him a good voice and additive to a conversation. His presence of Fox shows a superior mindset compared to other Fox offerings and definitely better than anything NPR and MSNBC has going.
    I’m willing to give graychin a pass as much as I can say there is trouble in thread communication BUT I also have to say that someone who so vocally hates the RWNM you lose cred when you try to bolster the opposite.

    Jim Moran (D)…mmmm The D stands for words I politely not type into the comment. Compared to a career military person I’m thinking Moran resembles a steaming pile of post kibble consumption on the sidewalk. He is a crook and an obvious hack. Not every military officer is a George Washington or Ike but really anything is better than this guy.

    As for

    but I do have teams I hate. One is the Boston Redsocks. Talk about a bunch of fucking yuppy bandwagon pussies

    I don’t really like baseball but seriously fuck all of you.
    I’ll give you Red Sox fans being classless regardless of their econ/demo class,but the team??? They are fairly talented,have some character and in that regard are superior to a number of the mooks in MLB

  96. Or some head of NPR fires a dude for an un-PC tone via un-PC rhetoric.

    Well done Rabbit. That was the Cliff Notes version of my post. Damn … now I DO feel wordy. 🙂

  97. It’s that well-credentialed group reaching across government…

    The problem Tex is that we’ve gone too far in the other direction.

    I heard some talking head make a great point within the past couple of days. The rallying cry against Obama, inexperience, has now become fashionable. Christine O’Donnell a case in point.

    An Ivy League education is not the cure to all ills but surely someone ought to know what is in the First Amendment.

  98. The same Andrew Jackson …

    Wow BiW, your gripes with the Dem’s go all the way back to Jackson. I’m impressed. That’s one long grudge there. 🙂

    I believe Jackson’s wife being a divorcee was also fodder for political attacks, particularly accusing her of bigamy at one point. If I recall correctly, upon her death, Jackson never forgave those who mocked her.

  99. Tex, in all seriousness dude, I am dismayed that your daughter (if I understand you right) turned down a Rhodes scholarship. Whether or not you like some of the folks who had one, it a huge honor. I’m just hoping she wasn’t cutting off her nose to spite her face.

  100. If I recall, someone in this thread dissed the Cubs. My Dad (who never lived in Chicago) has been a life long Cubs fan. Now I could give a rat’s ass about baseball but on my behalf of my Dad I will protest. 🙂

    P.S. I hate to say it gentlemen but those of you (I think Rabbit was one) who love baseball for all the stats, share that love with the odious Keith Olbermann. 🙂

  101. FN, LOL welcome back the haunted Halloween House known as the Rutherford Lawson Blog where goblins like Tex, Rabbit and BiW gnaw at your bones. 🙂

    Thanks for enjoying the article. I agree that free speech carries consequences. I just think Williams got the wrong consequence for what he said.

  102. Gray, you took quite the beating the past couple of days. Persevere dude! It’s the start of a long and lasting love affair. Back in the day, when I popped into “ChenZhen’s Chamber”, Tex and Rabbit used me for target practice on a regular basis. In fact good ole Tex outright wished me dead in one comment. I was known as “Rutherturd”. Oddly, I had thicker skin back in those days. Or maybe it was because the blog owner himself was a lib (albeit one without any real commitment). Nowadays, I don’t fare as well on venues like the Hostages where the noise-to-signal ratio just depresses the hell out of me.

    In any case, hang in there. I don’t know how old you are but from the teasing you get, I suspect you might be old enough to put young Tex across your knee and give him a good spanking. 🙂

  103. Gentlemen, how many times do you need to be reminded that the TPM brought the whole “Teabagger” thing upon themselves? They are the ones who started talking about “teabagging the Capitol”, etc. etc. They are the ones who had teabags hanging from their hats. I don’t think THEY had any idea what the nasty connotation of the term meant. But they started it and they’re stuck with it.

    With that said, I do avoid using the term because it needlessly inflames the debate. Why go for the pejorative when their cockeyed ideas are more than enough to attack? 😉

  104. An Ivy League education is not the cure to all ills but surely someone ought to know what is in the First Amendment.

    As I’ve said before, in this particular case, Christine O’Donnell was correct and the entire propeller headed, Ivy League Lib establishment of which you are a small part is wrong.

    However, if you will direct me to any of the following words in the 1st Amendment, I will change my assessment and become a Lib: (1) wall, (2) separation, (3) church, (4) state. 😉

    P.S. – my daughter did not turn down a Rhodes Scholarship. She turned down their request to be nominated as candidate. As I understand it, they choose the recipients from a pool of candidates.

    Since my daughter’s plan is to go to medical school, and considering her studies, her application, her travel this semester to interview for medical school which she is currently undertaking, her research, and her work schedule, my daughter felt she could not make the necessary time to do justice to the process that the committee was asking her to make.

    I actually admired her for her integrity.

    But as her father, I did wince when she explained the why to me, because there’s some serious scholarship money that would have gone a long way to paying for her professional degree had she received the award. Daughter is a heck of a lot smarter than her old man, so I didn’t push. And her mother told me to keep my big mouth shut. And her mother is the one person in this world that I obey completely. 🙂

  105. Why go for the pejorative when their cockeyed ideas are more than enough to attack?

    That and the fact you’re were smart enough to recognize that the TPM actually did carry a great degree of clout. In fact, I would say at this particular moment in time, they carry more clout than the graying Republican establishment – and the Republican establish is the first on their list to trample, of which they have proven incredibly effective.

  106. Just spent the last couple days celebrating my birthday. Wow, did I drink a lot…

    So, I had some catching up to do and well, I really didn’t miss much. BiW defined it best, anyone who thinks they know how to run my life better than me- that’s an elitist. That means that anyone, yes anyone, who has an inkling for the socialist failure has some elitism running in their veins. Its more a question of degree than anything.

    R, has some, but I see his blood turning more red everyday. The Chin, well, its hard to call any man with a proverbial dick in his mouth elitist, but alas, if the shoe- or dick- fits…

    Anyone who questions the relevance of military time as a public service, well, they clearly have serious issues to work out. In fact, its is- hands down- the military that should own the notion of public service. It sure as shit isn’t a politician, especially one as morally corrupt as Jim Moran.

    I didn’t think there was much controversy to this post R. Pretty cut and dry, but it has served to really demonstrate for all how out of whack the Chin is. He reminds me of this leftist freak hitting BiW’s place- Ben Hoffman. With the exception of the Chin- who exceeds at this- never have I seen someone more readily and frequently bring bring a knife to a gun fight and then complain about getting his ass kicked.

    Good post R…

  107. Tex, your daughter’s reasoning was right on target and completely understandable. I just feared for a moment that she shared your political bull-bullheadedness and was sacrificing a great opportunity to make some political point.

    I gave a sigh of relief when I read your explanation.

  108. the Republican establish is the first on their list to trample, of which they have proven incredibly effective.

    Well, yes and no. Rather than attacking both status quo parties with legit third party candidates, they’re attempting the Trojan horse approach, tearing up the GOP from within.

    The problem of course is that we now have to see who is the stronger? Rand Paul has already been pussified by Karl Rove and the machine. How many of these TPM candidates will really call for anything out of the ordinary once they become Washington insiders.

    I think folks like you looking forward to a revolution are going to be as disappointed as the far left has been with Obama’s list of compromise solutions.

  109. Black = white:

    I appreciate your thoughtful comment At #109. You are the only one who made a real stab at it.

    But these are two of your sentences, back to back:

    “I have tried to limit my description of them to calling them the “self-appointed cognoscienti” or “our betters”, because I think this more accurately describes the degree of arrogance and condescension with which they view the rest of us and our “quaint” ideals. However, if you want to limit it to a variation on elite, I’ll let the Dread Emperor himself describe it as only he can, in his latest Fisking of one of the prime examples of the self-appointed cognoscienti, Michael Kinsey…”

    By your definition, don’t those two sentences prove your own galloping elitism? The first describes elitism, and the second is an excellent example of it. Thus – doesn’t use of the term “elitist” say as much (or more) about the user of the word as the target of the word?

    Don’t both sides have their “elitists” as you define them? Isn’t someone whose ideological bent requires dismantling legislation that has been successful and popular since the 1960’s (Medicare) or even the 1930’s (Social Security) a “self-appointed cognoscenti”? If not, why? What about someone who thinks that cherry-picking the writings of some of the founding fathers to alter the meaning of the Constitution’s plain words. Is he an “elitist”? A “self-appointed cognoscenti”?

    Now some “Fisking” of my own:

    Who is the “Dread Emperor”? Obama? I hadn’t heard that one before. That’s the sort of sarcasm I might expect to hear from an “elitist.”

    Is it elitist to spell “cognoscenti” correctly? Perhaps if you misspell it (twice, so it isn’t a typo!), they won’t let you be one! 😀

    I never heard of Michael Kinsey. Do you mean Michael Kinsley? In any case, you quoted whoever Mr. Kinsey/Kinsley (not the sexologist, but the journalist?) as saying:

    An “elitist”, on the other hand, is somebody who thinks that his “elite” (real or otherwise) status in some area translates into him being better qualified than everybody else in every area.

    Oh my! Lawyers who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

  110. It’s a good thing for Tex that his daughter has no interest in being a Rhodes Scholar. I don’t think that Tex could bear the thought of his pride and joy at “elitist” Oxford treading in the footsteps of Rachel Maddow and Bill Clinton.

    Even worse, what if she were influenced over there by alien ideologies? It won’t happen to her down there in Darkest Texas, but what if she came home from Oxford as a modern version of a Fabian Socialist? Just imaging the conversation around Tex’s dining room table at Thanksgiving! Doing so gets me in the mood for Halloween! 😀

    As it is, any suitor that the poor girl would bring home this year for Thanksgiving would already be in for the fright of his life. Archie Bunker and “Meathead” to the fourth power. 😀

  111. Thanks to this blog, I have figured out what’s wrong with me! I live less than 50 miles away from the coast! (Comment #93.) Of course, it’s the Gulf coast–does that count? And I have also figured out yours too, R! You are not controversial enough! (Comment #127.) Is that funny, or what?
    There really are some people on here (and you know who you are) who really do present logical arguments and show a grasp of history, athough even there, there is indeed an undercurrent of anger, but that isn’t necessarily unjustified given the point of view. Then there is the scapegoating, the vulgarity, the spurious insults, which I guess is designed to show that you are “badder”, but does the opposite.
    There is that cliche…if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. But on occasion, on this blog, the damn kitchen is on fire. Now I will give my thin-skinned, prissy, goody-two-shoes, smartest girl in the room self a break 🙂

  112. Good contribution there, Alfie. I still think that Williams’ argument about “free speech” is weak. He did, and still does have, free speech. As the attorney for a company I used to work for once said, you can fire anyone for any reason, except a protected reason. Thus, if the company you work for thinks you’re too fat, or doesn’t like what you say, or just doesn’t like your hairstyle, you can be fired. End of sentence. Those are not protected reasons.
    So let’s say that Schiller had a right to fire Williams, which is different from the question about whether it was a good idea. I can’t believe I’m bringing this up, but it’s like the NYC mosque. They have a right to build it, but should they? In my opinion, Schiller violated the principles that NPR should be about. R doesn’t think there will be any consequences, I still think there will be.

  113. Fake,

    You live in Tallahassee if I’m not mistaken? And I’m somewhat familiar with the demographic make up of Tallahassee, because I’ve got a few buds that resided there until recently. And your mindset would be about as compatible fit in Tallahassee as say Graychin’s is Oklahoma – that is, outside your little circle of misfits which you run, your mindset persona non grata; despised; an outcast. 🙂

    Shouldn’t you be residing in Palm Beach or Broward?

  114. As it is, any suitor that the poor girl would bring home this year for Thanksgiving would already be in for the fright of his life. Archie Bunker and “Meathead” to the fourth power.

    Great show. One of my all-time favorites. You might even have the Archie Bunker part right as Archie seems to grow wiser with time.

    But Meathead? Not if the one my daughter dates now is “the one.” Because Mark not only voluntarily led the prayers at the table which would be completely foreign in your own home and the atheistic Meathead, but is already in med school and Conservative to the max. In fact, and I thought I would never say this, Tex has been so impressed with the nice looking young hunk the last year and change, I’m actually hoping something actually does come of this.

    Because I thought I’d never meet a beau worthy of the world’s greatest and most beautiful daughter, and this young man may have just pulled off the impossible. 😉

  115. It’s funny that Graychin likes to invoke shows of the past vis-a-vis family. Because like Graychin, I do the same thing in the theater of my mind. I’ve always pictured Graychin’s own lake dwelling to be something akin to Married with Children.

    The misanthropic Graychin still reliving his doubtful 15 seconds of fame, the Al Bundy of Oklahoma – his “executive wife” bon bons” consuming Peggy. One or two idiot kids…and some of those infamous “lake folk” for neighbors. 🙂

  116. @fakename:
    I think the thing is though that the free speech argument isn’t being put out in the form of purely a right. It is more importantly being put out,and imo correctly,that under the umbrella of opinion and analysis people need to have the freedom to speak out.
    It is sad that a liberal stalwart,NPR,is so willing to show that liberals have long since forfeited the belief of liberty.
    I think Williams article as well as the Fox hiring as well as the general Right of center response is a big win for the Right.

  117. Tex, I’m happy for you that your daughter has a suitor whom you not only can tolerate, but of whom you enthusiastically approve.

    But I’m concerned about her if her beau is “in med school and Conservative to the max.” I’ve known plenty of doctors like that, and it’s not a pretty sight – bitter, bitter men married to their professions and complaining about their taxes in their off hours.

    I hope that ultimately she chooses more wisely than a junior edition of her father. At least it sounds like the guy has potential to be a good provider for the family.

  118. Fake, your lawyer friend is wrong in his application.

    Thus, if the company you work for thinks you’re too fat, or doesn’t like what you say, or just doesn’t like your hairstyle, you can be fired. End of sentence. Those are not protected reasons.

    While true one can be fired for any reason, the one thing a company can not legally do is apply a different standard. So if the company has a problem with someone being fat and fires for that reason, then they had better plan to eliminate all fat employees. If not, I can assure you trouble soon follows.

    And that is exactly the reason that the firing of Juan Williams by the executive misandrist shrews that lead NPR will suffer the consequences – the blatant double standards in there application of the rules.

    I can assure you that NPR has been irreparably damaged. It will take a few fund-raising cycles to become obvious, because this time dishonest scum with the ill gotten resources like Soros and Graychin will step forward to make up any deficiencies – but that won’t last forever.

    NPR has been exposed beyond reasonable doubt what many of us have contended for years – at least fifteen years – NPR is a leftist shill organization masquerading as apolitical. The entire public broadcasting umbrella should now be defunded and I believe eventually will. It’s inevitable.

  119. My big time teamster Dem father-in-law calls me Meathead all the time. He is one of the last of the old guard that hates on the Polish. He calls Mexicans Charcoal Polocks. You old union Dems are worse then the Klan.

  120. But I’m concerned about her if her beau is “in med school and Conservative to the max.” I’ve known plenty of doctors like that, and it’s not a pretty sight – bitter, bitter men married to their professions and complaining about their taxes in their off hours.

    You mean, like your medicare fraud pal that “fixed” your mammy? Graychin, that may be wishful thinking on your behalf, but not necessarily true. Besides, if something does happen and they tie the knot, that will give you something to root against in the last years of your miserable existence – their demise. You need a purpose and misery loves company.

    I hope that ultimately she chooses more wisely than a junior edition of her father. At least it sounds like the guy has potential to be a good provider for the family.

    You’re even more of a fool that I ever dreamed if you think somebody as beautiful and talented as my own daughter’s mom married some buffed hunk to lounge around the house. I ain’t that good or that pretty. 😆

  121. My resources aren’t in the same league as Soros. But on Friday Mrs. G was listening to NPR and hearing about l’affaire Juan Williams, and announced that we ought to increase our pledge to our local NPR station – 107.5 in Ketchum. I pointed out that we actually listen to three NPR stations, including 98.5 in Tulsa and 98.9 in Pittsburg KS. So we’re gonna be supporting all three stations during this cycle.

    Like I said in an earlier comment, I doubt that the people who are announcing the end of their support of NPR over l’affaire Juan Williams ever contributed to public radio anyway.

    Was there anyone on Planet Earth who actually LIKED Juan Williams before he became a martyr for the “conservative” viewpoint? In the past I remember him being vilified here as one of those “NPR liberals.” I suspect that the vast majority of NPR listeners found him merely annoying. His “analysis” was always mundane and unimaginative, never insightful.

    And I’ll double our contributions to all three NPR stations in my area if they find a way to bring back Daniel Schorr.

  122. @graychin #148
    gray you are more right than you think. Ultimately the vast majority of people who either religiously or only sometimes consume PBS/NPR/CPB materials do not contribute.There are a couple of directions that reality can be spun.

    As for anyone liking Juan Williams before all this…Well i don’t know if people count me in the “anyone here” stuff but you can indeed count me as a fan of Williams. be it his articles,books or appearances I think he brings something.

  123. His “analysis” was always mundane and unimaginative, never insightful.

    True – and though Juan was a liberal I tolerated because unlike you, he makes the attempt at fairness, he’s a bore. But he still didn’t deserve to be treated like road kill. We all know why Juan was really fired – his relationship with FOX and George Soros.

    And just as I predicted – you and your Mrs. doubling down for the sake of NPR’s liberal causes. Predictable. I love it – you’ve had such great success too as indicated by your choice of local results. 😈

    Sounds like you married “beautifully” Gray – a matched set. Double the misery, double the fun…Now I know how Al Bundy’s kids must have felt. You need to meet this harpie named Donna. She hated me so much after I kept one upping her insults, that she threatened me with a larger donation to the DNC (than I could possibly provide – LOL). And like you, I encouraged her to send more – much more.

  124. Tex, re: your comment #139. You have one thing right. I do live in Tallahassee, but you have the demographics wrong, regardless of hearsay from your “buds”. Leon County, where Tallahassee is located, is overwhelming registered Democratic, and is the most environmentally conscious place I’ve ever lived. That includes two other counties in Florida (which just so happen to be Palm Beach and Broward lol) and five other states. So at least here, I happen to be in the majority.
    The fact that Tallahassee is the capital, and the ruling class is Republican, means two things: those people got sent here from elsewhere in the state, and Republicans have more money.

  125. You know what Graychin? And this isn’t really for you, as I use your worthless presence as a teachable moment to Rabbit, BiC, Rutherford and others here whose children are much younger than mine. You younger guys (and Rutherford with younger kids) probably don’t really need this as I am sure you are excellent fathers. But I want to give you some of the wisest advice I ever received. First, a bad example sometimes is the best example to use for teaching and instruction. So let’s consider Graychin. 😈

    Graychin’s generation of men for the most part really missed what provider was supposed to mean. BiC shared a story with me that indicated “he gets it.” Rabbit has done the same.

    Graychin mistakenly correlates being good provider as strictly monetary in nature. Are you listening to me Rutherford – you need to hear this right now. While it’s true you can’t feed your family with good thoughts, you don’t raise your children under the guidelines of maximizing your wealth either. Too many men have spent their entire lives worrying about “things” and “stuff” and “trips” and positions of authority. But that doesn’t produce good children and won’t buy you happiness. You may be content for a time, but it won’t provide any lasting joy. I promise you.

    So let me tell you guys something my own mom told me about 20 years ago, and it hasn’t made a bit of sense until recently that now my own daughters are gone. And they turned out great.

    You want to be a good father? Be a good husband first and everything follows.

    If you put your family before you put your career, everything will be okay. Because what you’ll find is good families stick together through thick and thin. You’re not alone in life or in the chase and God really provides. Real strength is life is not accomplished by accumulating great wealth, but great relationships. And the happiest people I know, people like my own wife and my own mom, seemed to innately know this from the start.

  126. Fake,

    Have I told you that I find you more naive than anything else? Perhaps because Tallahassee is also college town, you might have a misperception. I take it you are reasonably young and transplant?

    Leon County, where Tallahassee is located, is overwhelming registered Democratic

    Registered Dimocrats in Oklahoma where I reside outnumber Republicans by 10%. And in the last election, your false messiah Obama won exactly zero counties out of seventy-seven possible. That’s ZERO. My own wife is a registered Dimocrat, who never bothered to change her registration and hasn’t pulled a “D” lever in since the Gerald Ford era. That’s why they are called Reagan Democrats. And to address a misperception. conservation is not necessarily a true liberal cause – they talk a great game, but a quick glance at any progressive gathering would leave only one descriptor – pigs. If you need proof, let me know?

    And unless things in the panhandle of Florida (which may not be entirely accurate but close) have changed dramatically the last ten years, it is anything but liberal.

    And no matter what you call yourself, either divinely brilliant, studious, professional and scholarly – you are first and foremost a pointy-headed liberal in the strictest sense. Your own blog which I perused one day, reads like an acute case of severe MOONBAT contagion, replete with strange personal stories and even stranger names – a clear indicator of BDS, PDS, and Obama groupie infection.

    You do have one saving grace – you love dogs. 😉

  127. “…though Juan was a liberal…”

    Did you use the past tense deliberately? To the extent that Juan “was” a liberal before last week (not so much, actually), I predict that those days are gone forever. Freed from his shackles to NPR, Juan won’t have to try to be “fair and balanced” in his appearances on Faux any more.

    I think you Faux viewers are going to learn to love the new Juan Williams. He still won’t be particularly insightful, but he WILL be politically correct, Faux-style. Like comparing Michelle Obama to Stokely Carmichael.

  128. “Graychin mistakenly correlates being good provider as strictly monetary in nature.”

    No I don’t. Never did. When I worked for the big firms, I was the slacker who insisted on spending at least a few of his waking hours with his family.

    But giving the family adequate financial support IS important for a “good provider,” even if it isn’t Christmas skiing in Switzerland and sports cars at age 16. Don’t you agree? I would say that financial support is a necessary but not sufficient quality of a “good provider.”

    I don’t hear this very often: “He’s a really good provider – he is wonderful to his family and spends lots of quality time with his kids. Too bad he doesn’t work a lick!” 😀

  129. Tex, in your comment #154, you got more than one thing right. I am indeed a transplant. (What was your first clue? That I said I’d lived in two other Florida counties and five other states? Good detective work, there.) But I am not young. Statistically speaking, if graychin is old enough to be my grandfather, then he is already dead.
    As for my own blog, it doesn’t purport to be serious analytical political commentary. It is indeed a collection of stories. As for strange names, I’m not sure what you mean. Is the titles, or the people who comment? Many, if not most people who do, do so under pseudonyms. I would remind you that “Rutherford Lawson” is a pseudonym. How about “an800lbgorilla” or “dead rabbit”–or are those their real names?
    The second thing you got right is that the Panhandle of Florida is extremely conservative, except for Tallahassee. Tallahassee is like New Orleans (another place I lived). NOLA should be considered its own state, because it doesn’t fit into Louisiana. Likewise, Tallahassee.

  130. On another note, I am most uncomfortable with comments that refer to another person’s family or family member, even if that person brought up the subject themselves. Here we go with free speech again. I just think it’s treading on what should be taboo territory. Now I guess someone will call me PC.

  131. Fakename, I mostly agree with your point about referring to others’ family members. I don’t think that I’m guilty of ever having said anything disparaging about the family members of other people who post here. And I have only mentioned them when others have brought them up, as was the case this morning with Tex’s non-Rhodes-Scholar daughter.

    I have been told here that my wife must be obese (she’s not), among other vile things said by some of the vile participants here. Like you said earlier, sometime the damn kitchen here is on fire.

  132. I hear you, graychin. It’s kind of a low-road, high-road thing. If ever the high road was a hard place to find, this is it. So far, no one in my family has been disparaged, perhaps because I’ve never mentioned them. Or perhaps certain people haven’t yet run out of disparaging words for me personally. I’ve had my motives, intelligence, appearance, and sexual orientation questioned. For some people, I guess that passes for legitimate discourse.
    Here’s what gets me the most: no one ever calls them on it. It’s like a wall of silence. It’s like, as long as you agree with me politically, you’re allowed any kind of unwarranted and fanciful abusive language. I would be thoroughly embarrassed to have such a supporter. But it isn’t my blog 🙂
    I’m glad you liked my kitchen fire analogy.

  133. As an aside, fire is much on my mind. A couple of weeks ago,a house around the corner, three doors down, burned to a total loss. I would have said, “burned to the ground”, but the house is on stilts, which held. The only occupant at the time escaped, but it killed their dog.

  134. Tex, you have a fondness for calling women with whom you disagree, misandrists. First kudos to you for adding another word to my vocab. If I can’t get anything else out of hosting this blog, maybe I can learn a thing or three.

    But now I ask you … how would you define Sharron Angle constantly telling Harry Reid to “man up”?

    How ’bout Sarah’s similar comments?

    How bout Christine telling Coons to put on his “man pants” and allowing her campaign to imply that he is gay?

    Mmmmm sounds like a bunch of misandrists to me. 😉

  135. Black = white:

    I appreciate your thoughtful comment At #109. You are the only one who made a real stab at it.

    And thank you for your precious condescension, Chin. Every time your share it, especially when defending your favorite way of screwing your fellow man, the welfare state.

    But these are two of your sentences, back to back:

    “I have tried to limit my description of them to calling them the “self-appointed cognoscienti” or “our betters”, because I think this more accurately describes the degree of arrogance and condescension with which they view the rest of us and our “quaint” ideals. However, if you want to limit it to a variation on elite, I’ll let the Dread Emperor himself describe it as only he can, in his latest Fisking of one of the prime examples of the self-appointed cognoscienti, Michael Kinsey…”

    Very good. Along with embeding videos to the Two Useful Idiots™ Blog, you have mastered cut-and-paste. Now if you try really hard you might even get proficient with HTML.

    By your definition, don’t those two sentences prove your own galloping elitism? The first describes elitism, and the second is an excellent example of it. Thus – doesn’t use of the term “elitist” say as much (or more) about the user of the word as the target of the word?

    In fifteen years or so associated in one way or another in the practice of law, I’ve gotten pretty good at spotting specious arguments. I really wouldn’t need any of those skills to properly identify your use of one there. The author of the article that I quoted and linked is one of those people who finds himself offended at Kinsley’s (and others at SLATE) articles that often take the conscending tone when defending the policies and positions of this administration, which are presented in the same fashion as if the President himself makes them, namely: You are all just too stupid to understand the brilliance of this man, and how everything he seeks to accomplish is good for you, and if you understood just how much smarter he is than all of you, you would gladly defer to his wisdom in these matters. It’s absurdly elitist when the President talks about how we should be thanking him; and it is no less absurdly eliteist when the members of the chattering class also deign to speak down to us. Nothing about noting such monumental arrogance and presumption in people whose professions is to serve us, not the other way around is in anyway “eliteist”.

    Don’t both sides have their “elitists” as you define them? Isn’t someone whose ideological bent requires dismantling legislation that has been successful and popular since the 1960′s (Medicare) or even the 1930′s (Social Security) a “self-appointed cognoscenti”? If not, why?

    Wow, that’s a lot of wrong in one statement.

    1. Social Security Successful? How do you define it? If the goal was to build a giantic pyramid scheme that would go broke, but be considered ok, because the fraud was overseen by Uncle Sam, then maybe it could be considered a success. After all, government only lied about what it was when they enacted it in the first place, and they only have continued to lie to the American people about it for the decades when the cratering that is imminent could have been averted…all the talk about trust funds and “lock boxes” without ever once, as a body admitting that there were no dedicated accounts, and the lock box is full of IOUs from the same cowards who pretended that everything was hunky dorey. Popular? Not with anyone of my generation, who get the pleasure of paying more as a greying demographic bulge hits retirement, while being lied to about it being there for us, too. Chin, we could do better with a $#^!$! savings account then we will with the money that we will be paying to government so it can take its not-insignificant handling charge before sending you a check.

    2. Medicare Successful? $60 Billion iin fraud and waste, and counting? Popular? Tell that to all the aunts and uncles and parents and grandparents of the people I grew up with. The ones who retired with health insurance plans second only to those of government employees, who found themselves bumped off those plans the minute that they were elligible for Medicare, and put into that morass of medical mediocrity meant to once again absolve people of any real responsibility for their own affairs. I think you’ll get a very different take on the program’s “popularity” if you talk to any of them.

    3. No, questioning it is not “elitist”. It is simply someone who has bothered to look past the crumb that government would give back to us, and search for government’s authority to do it in the first place, and come up wanting, because it does not exist. It doesn’t require “nuance” to come to that conclusion. That would be the people who try to defend the government’s usurpation of our powers so that it could do such things. Hell, the only reason we have Social Security is because FDR and the SCOTUS played chicken, and the SCOTUS blinked. You can plug in “The switch in time that saved nine” in your favorite search engine if you want to learn more. However, even if I accepted your “Successful” and “Popular” premise on its face, there still exists no authority for the government to engaging in either entitlement.

    What about someone who thinks that cherry-picking the writings of some of the founding fathers to alter the meaning of the Constitution’s plain words. Is he an “elitist”? A “self-appointed cognoscenti”?

    Chin, I don’t believe that you can find anything that I’ve “cherry-picked” from the writings of the Founders or the Framers, and unlike that certain “Consititutional Scholar” currently residing in the Oval Office, I can and have correctly quoted the Declaration of Independence on many occaisions, and I can quote Abraham Lincoln with the entire quote, not just the part that might be seen as some to justify the redistribution of wealth.

    Now some “Fisking” of my own:

    Who is the “Dread Emperor”? Obama? I hadn’t heard that one before. That’s the sort of sarcasm I might expect to hear from an “elitist.”

    And that’s the problem with your brand of condescension. You get soaring so high on the heated gusts of your own superiority that you fail to follow the clues conveniently nailed to the backs of your hands by those acquainted with your limited cognitive abilities. I was referring to the author of the quote I put in my response…that was the reason for the link at the end of the remark…you know, the part that was in a different color print?

    Is it elitist to spell “cognoscenti” correctly? Perhaps if you misspell it (twice, so it isn’t a typo!), they won’t let you be one!

    I never heard of Michael Kinsey. Do you mean Michael Kinsley? In any case, you quoted whoever Mr. Kinsey/Kinsley (not the sexologist, but the journalist?) as saying:

    An “elitist”, on the other hand, is somebody who thinks that his “elite” (real or otherwise) status in some area translates into him being better qualified than everybody else in every area.

    When you’re making so much out of spelling (when the meaning of what was typed was so clearly obvious to you), that’s a pretty good signal to everyone else that your actual argument is WEAK, as most attacks on form, rather than substance are.

    Oh my! Lawyers who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

    You mean like lawyers who actually read laws like the Consititution, and the caselaw, and can see where sometimes, the Court has gotten it wrong, unlike retired accountants who like to make blanket statements slathered in odious condescension, but cannot come up with a single meaniful support for the things they try so hard to defend because of their strong fweewings about them?

  136. Fakename2,

    Were you ever going to share with us why it is that you think that President Obama is the most accomplished and intelligent of recent presidents, or is going to the join the ranks of many such unsubstantiated remarks to waste bandwidth on this blog?

  137. FN2, as for coming to the defense of folks here who have been insulted … I really wrestle with this one.

    I used to be quite annoyed at a blogger named Chen Zhen because he allowed a free-for-all to go on at his blog and he served as little more than ringmaster. Of course, he’d spark the debate with an article written from a liberal perspective but then he’d let everyone go at it and he seldom called foul. He had a nice gimmick in which he would replace people’s icons (the images next to their names) with ones of his own liking …. identifying certain arguments as strawmen, ad-hominem, etc. It was a clever gimmick but it didn’t get used all that often.

    Now I find myself somewhat in the position of Chen. To my surprise and occasional dismay, I don’t tend to intervene on behalf of those under attack. I usually let folks fend for themselves. In fact, I find sometimes if I do defend someone from an ad-hominem, it weakens their ability to argue … makes them look weaker to the bullies.

    I guess that’s why I warn anyone who says they want to visit my blog to do so with caution if they’re gonna go into the comments area. Maybe I am deluded but I still think the signal to noise ratio on this blog is acceptable.

    P.S. I seldom see family members attacked here (yes it is the absolute lowest of the low methods of argument) but every now and then a person or two here just can’t help themselves. For example …. the old misandrist label … apparently my wife is a misandrist ipso facto for being married to me. 😆

  138. R…as I believe you once commented, it is only liberal (or perceived liberal) women who are called misandrists. I didn’t expect YOU to be the one to challenge Tex–it’s your blog, and it’s clear to me that you are dedicated to free speech…oh no, here we go again. I expected some of Tex’s ideological friends to be the ones to say, you crossed a line. But no. Apparently they enjoy him, in the “glad you said it, not me” fashion. Tee hee.

  139. You are all just too stupid to understand the brilliance of this man …

    Well, BiW you DO have to wonder about the IQ of a populace 80% of whom get a tax cut and then complain about high taxes.

    If I can ever bury my ego enough to get my pseudonym off the blog title, I shall rename it “Smart Men Defending Stupid People” in honor of my loyal cadre of conservative comment contributors. 🙂

  140. fakename, while it would be a stretch to say we are not often times vile, please do not believe this new, sensitive greychin at his word. He’s a vile, ad hominem asshole like the rest of us. In fact, I’d say he qualifies as a bigot. (A leftist bigot). Don’t believe me? Simply read the stuff he has said over the last 6 months in the comments section. Its all right there for you to see, although I suspect you have better things to do. If I can conjure up the energy, I will produce some of the most incendiary, mean spirited stuff you can imagine. Its just that he comes from your side of the political tracks.

  141. Well, BiW you DO have to wonder about the IQ of a populace 80% of whom get a tax cut and then complain about high taxes.

    No, it’s not the 80% of people who received a “tax cut” equivalent to to Happy Meals a week that scares me. It’s the other 20% of the people who can’t add like you who while receiving your “massive” tax cut, just got another $30,000.00 added to your family deficit bill, 47% increase in you health care costs in CT due to Bongo Care, and can’t understand the concept of opportunity costs. 😉

  142. the old misandrist label … apparently my wife is a misandrist ipso facto for being married to me.

    Correct. And the sick obsession and jealous rage over Sarah Palin, Christine O’Donnell, Liz Cheney, etc. etc. etc. 😉

  143. BiW…no, I don’t intend to clarify any further. Why should I? So you can parse my statements out word by word, sentence by sentence, paragraph by paragraph? Like you just did to Graychin? That was a mere exercise in proving how much smarter you are. Speaking of elitists. I say…if you don’t get it already, no amount of history or justification will do for you.
    I’m not big on lawyer jokes. But…you start with a premise you are determined to prove, and think you’ve succeeded.
    As a person who participated in a “fight” , with counsel, over a local land use decision–not a lawsuit–I got to see firsthand how it works. Attorneys are not charged with being right, just making the best argument. I’m all for that. But there is a problem with confusing “making the best argument” with “being right”. And that’s what I think you do. You’ve confused your ability to make a good argument with being right.

  144. Well, BiW you DO have to wonder about the IQ of a populace 80% of whom get a tax cut and then complain about high taxes.

    Rutherford,

    “Giving” me back $13 a pay period of my own money by finagling the withholding tables, and not making a corresponding change in the tax brackets, so that I now “owe” all those weeks of $13, in addtion to what I already owe at the end of the year is not a tax cut. Unlike you, I watched what both of government’s hands were doing.

    But you’ll find out soon enough that this “cut” was nothing of the sort.

  145. BiW…no, I don’t intend to clarify any further. Why should I? So you can parse my statements out word by word, sentence by sentence, paragraph by paragraph?

    No. I asked you to clarify because I have been hearing since 2008 how accomplished and intelligent he is, yet whenever I ask for clarification or explanation, I either get a cricket chirp or a lowly mutter “because”. I would like for someone to actually convince me.

    You had enough confidence to say that he was the most intelligent and accomplished President of the recent presidents, but not enough to actually support your statement?
    Color me undewhelmed. I don’t expect you to change my mind if we don’t agree, but I really can’t respect someone who won’t support their opinion either.

  146. Fake (apropos),

    But I am not young. Statistically speaking, if graychin is old enough to be my grandfather, then he is already dead.

    Only figuratively dead – brain dead. It will indeed be a glorious day when Graychin figures out his presence isn’t missed in the least, and he happens to spin off the earth to parts unknown.

    So you’re not so young, hey Fake? Like I said, Tallahassee is a college town, but being familiar with it, I can assure you many a Baptist Church on every street corner disagrees with your overwhelming liberal assessment.

    Being you’re not young, then you’re even more pitiful than I had imagined. I assumed your weakness due to simple naivety and inexperience. No, your predilection for the irrelevant is due to abject stupidity and the fact you’re a spinster. Probably a butt ugly spinster.

    Now you can add that to your list for being remorseful for making my acquaintance and you having picked a fight in the first place. If you can’t stomach having the virtual “bitch slap”, then don’t pick a fight with me harpy. Otherwise, you’re Graychin with small tits.

  147. And don’t worry about Chin. He and I have had a nong-running disagreement for several months now. He believes I am wrong because I won’t concede to his superior opinon, and I know he is wrong because I can actually point to facts to show that his opinion is uninformed.

  148. I expected some of Tex’s ideological friends to be the ones to say, you crossed a line.

    It’s really more a matter of Tex being an adult, and our understanding that as such, he doesn’t need a parent. As an adult, you also have options:

    1. Ignore him.

    2. Bloody his nose once or twice.

    3. Continue in spite of him, like the rest of us do with Greychin and Dan.

  149. Graychin,

    I don’t hear this very often: “He’s a really good provider – he is wonderful to his family and spends lots of quality time with his kids. Too bad he doesn’t work a lick!”

    Doesn’t work a lick? 😆 You think I was spending time in corporate America for 20 years for free? Going to medical school for fun? Keeping two teenage daughters myself so they didn’t have to move from the only school system they’ve known was slacking.

    If so, you just insulted every “homemaker” in America. Are you sexist? Do you have a thing against stay at home Mom’s for instance? 🙂 I thought you were the forward looking, record setting liberal who recognizes that America is fluid and changed?

    P.S. – For the last 12 months, you are absolutely correct to refer to me as “slacker” and I’m loving it. Note I was able to do it about 15 years before your fat ass was able to.

    And I wouldn’t be so sure you’ve accumulated that much more than my wife and I have big shot. Add to the fact, I’ve got about 15-20 more years to accumulate if I so choose, you may not be sitting as pretty in comparison as you might think. Enjoy you lake home while it lasts, because it ain’t going to last forever Gramps. You’re one heart beat away from eternity, and as we witnessed two weeks ago, there are no guarantees. If you were have way bright, that should have been your wake up call.

  150. BiW..see the above comment. Why is it that you tolerate comments by your apparently like-minded compatriots calling me abjectly stupid, a butt-ugly spinster,a harpy, and Graychin with small tits? All that without knowing anything about me whatsoever, and never having seen me? If you will answer that, I might be inclined to answer your question. But you first.

  151. I expected some of Tex’s ideological friends to be the ones to say, you crossed a line.

    Other than invoking Nazi, charges of racism and the like, this is the clearest of assessment of weakness.

    I CAN’T DO IT AND I WANT YOU GUYS TO HELP ME!

    Rutherford, do I call on you help when Graychin makes his flaccid attempts to “pick” on me? Does BiC, or Gorilla, or Rabbit, or Huck call for mediation to referee? Did Elric ask for our help? Hell no…

    This is Graychin type weakness – calling out for the troops. Only Graychin is an army of one + Yeller Dawg which still makes one. At least he figured out it didn’t work and quit calling for assistance in short order.

  152. Why is it that you tolerate comments by your apparently like-minded compatriots calling me abjectly stupid, a butt-ugly spinster,a harpy, and Graychin with small tits? All that without knowing anything about me whatsoever, and never having seen me?

    Why would a good person who comments regularly at a place like the Daily KOS tolerate the remarks made against the very ocaisional conservative commenter there?

    Seriously, in a forum where I have no control over comments made, it would seem silly to expect me to spend time chastizing him for things he says, thus distracting me from the conversation I might be having, rather than focusing on it. As others have stated, Chin hasn’t exactly had shining moments here, either, and he and Tex generally seem to bring out the worst in each other.

    It is also the ideology that you accuse us of sharing that also prevents me from scolding him like I’m his mother. Actions taken out of fear of someone’s words being offensive to someone else lead to the subject of this very post. It seems to me based on observing how political correctness has crippled our society (oh noes! can I still say “crippled”?), it seems to me that if you want a honest conversation, it makes more sense to let things be said, and to clearly communicate, than it does to self-censor, and spend time trying to figure out how to not say what you want to say. I don’t have to like what he says. I’d rather understand him clearly, than I would wonder what he really means when he says something.

    If you will answer that, I might be inclined to answer your question. But you first.

    The ball is in your court.

  153. Why is it that you tolerate comments by your apparently like-minded compatriots calling me abjectly stupid, a butt-ugly spinster,a harpy, and Graychin with small tits? All that without knowing anything about me whatsoever, and never having seen me?

    Classic! 😆 😆 😆

    I even tickle myself sometimes.

  154. Tex. avoiding the appearance of “weakness” seems to be your guiding principle. You protest too much. I suspect this is not my problem, but yours. You approach discussions with a hit-hard, hit-fast, with overwhelming force sort of strategy. In this case, it’s insult them enough that they will go away. Worked well in the First Gulf War. Not so much here.

  155. Fakename asked: “Like you (B = W) just did to Graychin? That was a mere exercise in proving how much smarter you are.

    That hurt!

    Would you be willing to amend your question to something like “exercise in trying unsuccessfully to prove how much smarter your are?”

    B = W can post facts all day long. But his assumptions and methodology are classic sophistry and total bullshit. Since you came in only recently, you should know that I believe that the plain language of the Constitution means what it says. B = W believes that it doesn’t, that you have to bring in extraneous material to change the clear meaning of the plain words, because he doesn’t LIKE what it says.

  156. <Worked well in the First Gulf War. Not so much here.

    Really? Where’s Saddam? 🙂

    Fake, you really are a fake. Let’s consider what the real history of our relationship.

    What you’ve done in the past is to come in and lay some turd of a personal comment about me in a generalize nature not even directed to me, then run for cover for a few weeks. You’ve never once asked me a legitimate question. You started the insults at Hippie and it carried over here. I let it go once. So don’t feign like you’re some innocent and cordial nun or saint who happened to get caught in the crossfire.

    Now, if you would like to have a conversation about a topic, even where we disagree, that doesn’t exist of your nagging, scolding, your puerile insults like troll, or some unearned sense of your own maturity, then we can start over. It was you that insulted me third party, in case your memory has failed you which precipitated me punching you in the mouth in the first place.

    You started it – I’ll finish it, if need be. Everything you’ve received, you’ve had coming. Your now asking to be consoled is not only insulting to everyone else involved, but nauseating.

    And you can start by answering the BiC and “MY” question which you didn’t answer about Obama.

  157. Ouch, Graychin. That is what I really meant, an exercise in TRYING to prove how much smarter you are. Mea culpa. And an exercise in how not to communicate well.

  158. B = W can post facts all day long. But his assumptions and methodology are classic sophistry and total bullshit. Since you came in only recently, you should know that I believe that the plain language of the Constitution means what it says. B = W believes that it doesn’t, that you have to bring in extraneous material to change the clear meaning of the plain words, because he doesn’t LIKE what it says.

    Chin,

    We’ve been through it. No one gave the meaning you attribute to the 14th Amendment serious consideration until the 1970’s. It wasn’t until then that someone with the authority to make their feelings lawfelt that it meant what you believe it does…and in fact, you really have ignore the underlying purpose of the Constitution in total in order to arrive at that conclusion. For the 100+ prior to that point, the Courts in fact did not interpret it in such a “progressive” fashion, a point I went to great pains to point out to you. And unlike you, I don’t believe that we need to continue to compound an error so that you can have a warm and fuzzy feeling.

  159. Since you came in only recently, you should know that I believe that the plain language of the Constitution means what it says. B = W believes that it doesn’t, that you have to bring in extraneous material to change the clear meaning of the plain words, because he doesn’t LIKE what it says.

    Like a wall of separation of church and state, hey? Maybe you could dig that pure sophistry up for BIC and find that for us in your beloved Constitution?

    Graychin, I would call you master of bullshit, but you’re master at nothing but your own imagined greatness. But I found you a friend…for you and Yeller Dawg.

  160. B = W can post facts all day long. But his assumptions and methodology are classic sophistry and total bullshit.

    This from the person who tried to tell me that New Youk state isn’t one of the jurisdictions where government has to take hat in hand and play “Mother May I?” with the Feds when they want to change something with their elections pursuant to Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act?

    http://www.justice.gov/crt/voting/misc/faq.php

    One of many instances where you had no clue what you were talking about.

    You accuse me of sophistry and bullshit? Let’s take a little walk down memory lane, shall we:

    On pharmacists being able to refuse dispensing the morning after pill in Washington state based on the Washington Pharmacy Board’s ruling on the matter:

    What other items might be withheld from customers because of a pharmacist who is unwilling to do his job? Birth control pills? An IUD? Condoms? Viagra for unmarried men?

    and this chaff you popped into the air while walking back:

    I consider a pharmacist who won’t sell pills similar to a guns-and-hunting store employee who objects to selling firearms on the basis of his conscience. He’s OK with selling their deer blinds, cammo jackets and other hunting paraphernalia – but not guns.

    http://threesurethingsoflife.wordpress.com/2010/07/14/the-choice-belongs-to-the-babykillers-and-not-anyone-who-might-be-forced-to-help-them-part-47/

    Really, you are unmatched in mental contortionism when it comes to sophistry and bullshit old man.

  161. Well, funny, BW. You don’t seem to have any problem “chastising” graychin. Why is Tex different? Your argument is…inconsistent.

    Not really. Chin, in his own way, is trying to address the topic that we are discussing, or trying to explain why the rest of us are wrong because we don’t feel the same way about it that he does. In doing so, he makes silly arguments easily disproved by the careful application of facts that frequently are contrary to the position he argues in favor of.

    In contrast, when Tex engages in the behavior you complain of, he isn’t. Engaging him about what he says does nothing to address the topic at hand, because he isn’t addressing the topic at hand, much in the same way that Chin isn’t either when he is engaging Tex.

    Now you got your question and a follow up answered. Do I get my question answered, or should I simply stop taking you seriously?

  162. And I’ll double our contributions to all three NPR stations in my area if they find a way to bring back Daniel Schorr.

    Gray, if they find a way to bring back Daniel Schorr I don’t think they’ll need your contributions anymore. 🙂 They’ll have the loved ones of the deceased lined up around the block paying for resurrections. 😆

  163. I lost my hunting spot. My buddy’s land gone to foreclosure. I shall head butt a hole in the dry wall now.

    Good night.

  164. They’ll have the loved ones of the deceased lined up around the block paying for resurrections.

    HA HA HA HA HA!

    ** GUFFAW **

    HAW HAW HAW HAW! 😆 😆 😆

    Heck, I had forgotten about that Rutherford. I’ll be the biggest fan of all!

  165. Man, that’s embarrassing – Graychin wasn’t the only one that missed. And I looked it up. That was three months ago.

  166. Well I’m actually giving Gray the benefit of the doubt that he knew Schorr was no longer among us and he was kidding about NPR bringing him back. If not, well Gray your money is then very safe indeed.

  167. It was you that insulted me third party, in case your memory has failed you which precipitated me punching you in the mouth in the first place.

    Wow, and all this time I was afraid that chivalry was a thing of the past!

  168. The person who presents the greatest number of provable facts does not thereby win the argument. Facts presented must be relevant to the matter at hand in order to add weight to their side of the discussion. I understand that even in court, advocates are not allowed to present irrelevant arguments and evidence.

    The constitution and bill of rights are the compromised language of dozens of authors. Therefore any attempt to reword its plain language based on the extraneous writings of one or a few of those authors is highly unlikely to improve upon the documents’ plain language as the source of their meaning.

    This is the essence of my disagreement with B = W. He insists on bringing in extraneous material to justify interpretations that contradict plain English. All the so-called facts in the world can’t make that right.

    The Declaration of Independence is not the law of the land. Neither are the Federalist Papers. The Constitution is.

    Let the filibuster begin.

  169. Wow, and all this time I was afraid that chivalry was a thing of the past!

    :lol:You know those “women” we talked about who were a major pain in the ass at work and the instigators of the cat fights that make everyone miserable? Those nags that take advantage of imagined discrimination for any and every reason to make every man they worked with wish to slit his wrists?

    The very shrews that constantly were dragging innocent men to H.R. for some imagined harassment and absolutely ruined the work environment in corporate America? Millions of talented have walked on account of them? The ‘butt ugly’ spinsters that were the cause of that euphemism called “Sexual Harassment” classes taught by ugly horse’s asses with bowl head hair cuts and mandatory for all males; classes instructed by “misandrists” accusing every man of groping and accused every male the potential rapist? Where if you got a penis, you’re automatically guilty until proven innocent, no matter how outrageous the charges?

    Do I even have to say it? 😐

  170. Therefore any attempt to reword its plain language based on the extraneous writings of one or a few of those authors is highly unlikely to improve upon the documents’ plain language as the source of their meaning

    Unless it’s the 1st Amendment which was intended to have the phrase “wall of separation between church and state” meaning that there will be no public demonstration of faith in any public capacity; that the 2nd Amendment didn’t really mean individuals; the 10th amendment which wasn’t supposed to be there to begin with and should be ignored; and the 14th amendment which excluded the word “abortion” but intended it to be there.

    The Constitution is a living, breathing document that is outdated and needs to be changed to better fit the modern society – like the Ten Commandments. 😉

  171. Tex, I worked with plenty of women, but never with women like that.

    Sometimes we see exactly what we are looking for. Some of us do indeed create our own realities.

    Your reality is a very ugly place.

    I can easily imagine you creating the sort of “hostile work environment” that does get employers sued. You were probably an ugly troublemaker at work – kind of like you are here.

    Hmmm….. This may explain a lot.

  172. You are a bore with your mantra that “wall of separation” is not in the constitution. Of course it isn’t. It’s a metaphor to explain the meaning of the “establishment” clause. I’m perfectly happy to drop the “wall” language and enforce the “establishment” clause. Can we move along now?

    Your references to the other amendments are ridiculous caricatures of interpretations with which you don’t agree. You’re fighting a straw man again. And losing.

  173. “The Declaration of Independence is not the law of the land. ”

    Sure it is. That’s why health care reform had to be shoved down our throats, remember? Because the Declaration of Independence guarantees all Americans the right to live forever. Just ask Rutherford….

  174. Oh Graychin, I’m so glad you added that because you were the very type of limp-wristed H.R. manager type Rutheford and I have often spoken about.

    Seeking female flattery and acceptance due to your erectile and personality dysfunction with women, including dribbling in your drawers when approached, shunned by females from an early age, deemed gamma boy by males and and ignored by pretty women, you were in large part a symptom of the corporate hostility and rampant workplace dissatisfaction reported in corporate America today.

    I think it worth noting it apparently you that job hopped around – probably fired, because the more you rant, the more it becomes obvious you’ve been a reject in virtually everything you tried. Now how many companies did you work for again sport?

    However, like your blog and being you’re an incredibly useful idiot, to seek acceptance of the fairer sex, you carried the water of the ugly nags being used as witness, knowing men would never accept you, hoping that somehow you might score with something or somebody – and when you finally did, you married her. 😉

    Congratulations on your long and “distinguished” career Al.

  175. Your references to the other amendments are ridiculous caricatures of interpretations with which you don’t agree. You’re fighting a straw man again. And losing.

    No doubt – pagans like you have perverted our society where our founding fathers would not recognize it. But that just begs the question

    Where's that "ridiculous caricature of interpretations" that allows infanticide again under the cliche of "reproductive rights", though I'll be damned if I can figure out what's being reproduced.

    Because it appears undeniable, perverted pukes like you must have found the wording in your living, breathing Constitution. So where is Al?

  176. Huck, by saying the D of I is not the law of the land, I don’t think Gray was saying that we should ignore the ideals found therein. Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness is the guiding light by which the Constitution was written, particularly the Bill of Rights. I’d be surprised if Gray disagreed with that.

  177. Oh Gray. Humor me for a minute here and explain to me who is being restricted by the enforcement of the “establishment” clause?

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

    Where’s the restriction on the church again?

    ——————

    I knew that Daniel Schorr had passed away. I listen to NPR, remember?

    in conjunction with

    And I’ll double our contributions to all three NPR stations in my area if they find a way to bring back Daniel Schorr.

    😈 You’re not even an effective liar dipshit. You didn’t know squat Al. Just admit you didn’t know and get a chuckle. Don’t try to worm out of your ignorance – its legion. Crap like this only reinforces what all of us already knew – you’re a blowhard. :smile:.

  178. I will say this. One of the best managers I had in corporate America was a woman. The person who ruined my corporate career was … a woman.

    Color me conflicted. 😦

  179. FYI, I had exactly two jobs in my career, with a big firm for seven years, then with a midsize firm that I wound up running until I sold out and retired. I quit the big firm because I hated it there, but stayed as long as I did for the training and experience. Which was worthwhile.

    Whenever you make guesses about me, you wind up looking even more ridiculous than usual. That definition of insanity comes to mind…..

    Dang – you DO have a problem with women, don’t you?

  180. Rutherford, you folks are evidently cool with cherry-picking what you want from the Declaration of Independence, because I should also have the LIBERTY to not be forced into purchasing a product or service. Forcing me to pay for what I can’t afford also cuts into my PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.

  181. Huck, surely even you can understand the difference between liking Jefferson’s ideals as expressed in the Declaration, and wanting to call it law as B = W does.

    It appears that BWs motive for dragging the Declaration up to the status of law is that Jefferson made a couple of references there to his deist idea of a creator. Inconveniently, the Constitution makes no mention of any divinity whatsoever.

    I’m confident that B=W will clarify any misunderstandings on my part about his actual views tomorrow morning. At considerable length.

  182. Dang – you DO have a problem with “LIBERAL”, “MAN HATING” women, don’t you?

    Correct. That is why I wouldn’t discriminate by making a case I could equally disdain your wife. What she do? Catch you on a rebound? Doing a little simple math, it isn’t too difficult to determine rebound baby. 😉

    Graychin, admit it. You’re about as popular as the plague. You’re not fooling anybody here besides someone who would name themselves “Fake.” You made your money kissing up, promoted through the peter principle and longevity, and being enough of an asshole they bought you out. It’s a common story through your generation. Your 15 seconds of fame is up.

    You most certainly haven’t demonstrated any great wisdom or talent here and are absolutely humorless. Most of the time, no matter the opponent, you’re getting your butt handed to you. And for a while you slink back off to the Two Useful Idiots blog where you can resort back to your totalitarian form of fascism, then lie saying “the system” must have lost the entry. It’s pathetic but provides cheap humor.

    You’re also completely untrustworthy and full of shit as your memory so lame, you contradict yourself about every two weeks. You’re no threat – just a garden variety pompous ass who isn’t smart enough to move on. Probably enjoy being spanked at home too.

  183. My resources aren’t in the same league as Soros. But on Friday Mrs. G was listening to NPR and hearing about l’affaire Juan Williams, and announced that we ought to increase our pledge to our local NPR station – 107.5 in Ketchum. I pointed out that we actually listen to three NPR stations, including 98.5 in Tulsa and 98.9 in Pittsburg KS. So we’re gonna be supporting all three stations during this cycle.” – Chin

    Keep digging deep and vote with your wallet. Everyone else is… 😉

    “I agree with the principle, but am not happy with the execution,” Robert Gordon, an NPR board member and president of Nashville Public Radio, said after Williams was fired over comments about Muslims that he made on Fox News.
    “The execution was very poorly timed. You have a lot of stations who are in fund drive mode now and that’s making it difficult.”…
    “I’ve gotten a lot of calls and a lot of e-mails, and in fact, more than we’ve gotten about anything else,” Gordon said. “We’ve had a few people make donations in support of the decision, but more decided not to support us.

  184. The Ape is flooding the blog again.

    Rutherford once reminded me that embedding videos slows the blog’s loading way down, and asked me to just post the link instead. I think all you have to do is erase the “http” from the front of your link. Unless you WANT to slow the blog way down.

    I hate to disappoint you, but I don’t plan to watch five minutes of the GOP’s “IS NOT” in response to Obama’s “IS TOO.” If you keep this up, I’m just going to have to post Obama’s weekly address here to keep things “fair and balanced.” 😀

  185. Al “Graychin” Bundy,

    Is it just me, or does Tex’s last comment make no sense at all?

    Of course it doesn’t make sense to you. Nothing practical, prudent or logical ever does. It will make perfect sense to everyone else here who has had to deal with you.

    P.S. – Gorilla is right Graychin. You need to quadruple your pledge to NPR to make up the deficit. It’s the right thing to do and a man of your ‘wealth and taste’ has the responsibility to do so for Barack Beelzebub. 😉

  186. Is it just me, or does Tex’s last comment make no sense at all?

    LOL …. especially the spanking part. 🙂

    What’s wrong with enjoying a good spanking now and then? 😉

  187. Gray, I actually don’t have a huge problem embedding YouTube vids. It may slow down some browsers but it doesn’t cause mine too much trouble.

    As for Obama’s weekly address, at the beginning of the administration, I used to post those every weekend. Once the novelty wore off and the addresses became more run of the mill, I stopped.

  188. Regarding 224 … ridiculous, He wasn’t campaigning for Bush or making any kind of political statement.

    You boys seem to think that I don’t know libs can be assh*les. This was a sad case in point.

  189. Hey “R”,

    I took a look at your “news” – conceptually, the business model sounded like a good idea (if you could get it established).

    B says hello to M/P. 😉

  190. But what would have happened if the guy had been wearing an Obama shirt while setting up for Sarah Palin?

    Or for Bush himself?

    That’s right – nothing. They would have ignored him. Only libs require their stagehands to be politically correct.

  191. LOL Tex … don’t get me started on my biz model. Affiliate marketing was all the rage when I started with it but the trick is for you to bring in more in sales than you spend on advertising. Didn’t happen. So now I don’t advertise …. and hence … I don’t sell. Commission Junction has suspended my account at least three times for inactivity. I just fire it back up again. LOL

    Who woulda thunk back in my glory days of being a fresh Haaaavard grad that I’d be subject to the current indignities? 👿

  192. Comment of the Day:

    Our betters, bitterly clinging to their sheepskins and NPR tote bags and waiting for that Government job so that they don’t have to, you know, perform.”

    😆

  193. I just fire it back up again.

    🙂 That’s the spirit! Don’t cling to that sheepskin, free yourself of NPR, and join slackers like me in the cause.

  194. “R”,

    Did you happen to catch the almost soon to graduate law school student the other day, faced with dismal job prospects and little chance of employment, then offered this exchange?

    A third-year Boston College Law School student facing dismal job prospects and a mountain of student loan debt has offered the prestigious Hub institution a unique deal: Keep the degree … and give me back my tuition!

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1290088

    Remember when I told the late Jim Dougan the next bubble to burst was higher education? If I could pick stocks like I could pick soon to be failures, I’d be a rich man by now.

  195. I am a big fan of the D of I. But it doesn’t have the status of law as the Constitution does.

    Sorry to disappoint both you and Justice Kagan, but it does.

    I’ve already made an in-depth description elsewhere about how it is the national charter, with the Constitution being the bylaws, but then there is that niggling little problem with it being cited as law in arguments before the Supreme Court…a contention that was never “corrected” by the Court, because there was nothing to “correct”.

    Chin, the Federalist Papers were written to explain the Constitution to the citizens of the state of New York so that they might make an informed vote for ratification. They were written by the two major architects of the document and the first chief Justice of the Supreme Court. Your implication that they could not describe what was intended by the Convention because it was the work of compromise pretends that none of them were present for the debates, and that one of them did not keep a record of the debates, which he indeed did, in violation of the orders of the Convention’s President.

    Really, instead of standing on the sidelines throwing spitballs, you could actually read them, and learn something.

  196. The bubble of for-profit colleges is about to burst. Many of them exist solely to soak up student loan and government grant money, and do little to prepare their students for the work force. Tex, if you want to do something to make some money, just go to schwab.com and sell for-profit college companies short.

    When kids are applying to college, someone should explain to them the difference between education and vocational training. Education is very worthwhile for its own sake, but it won’t necessarily get you a job. People should understand that before they go deep into debt with college loans.

    So the doofus at Boston College just found out that that the world isn’t clamoring for more lawyers? That lawyers are a glut in the marketplace and a drag on the economy? That law firms only hire a very few green rookies every year, and that the rest of law school graduates have to hang up their shingles in strip shopping centers and try to make a living chasing ambulances? Where has he been all his life?

    I picked my occupational field of study because 1) I seemed to have a knack for it, and 2) THERE WERE LOTS OF JOBS!!!!!!! I must be a freaking genius to have come up with such a profoundly brilliant career plan.

  197. Here Graychin. This one is for you and it is the absolute best suggestion I’ve read since Bongo was inaugurated. Roger Kimball gets credit for the suggestion, I get credit for passing the good news to you and Rutherford. Consider it a unique and fun way to balance the budget. Americans crave entertainment – now this would be entertainment. 😉

    We zip over to the Cato Institute’s website for some information about what some of the dozens of otiose government departments actually cost. Then we inscribe the names of 52 of those departments, agencies, and initiatives on some attractive little tiles more or less like Scrabble™ tiles, only a little bigger: one tile will bear the name of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, another the Department of Energy, a third the Department of Education, a fourth the National Endowment for the Arts, a fifth the Department of Housing and Urban Development, etc., until we have 52 tiles, one for each week of the year.

    Are you with me? The next step is to engage for a half-hour prime-time spot on Fox News for a weekly show we’ll call 52 Weeks: Reality TV for the Fiscally Mature. It will be important to get the right host. If, as looks likely, alas, Christine O’Donnell loses to the Marxist in the Delaware Senate race, perhaps she would do it. She’s attractive and wholesome looking and she has the correct political opinions for the job.

    Then, as soon as the next Congress is seated, we start the weekly show.

    Once a week for an entire year, Christine (or whoever) is on the country’s most popular network at 7:00 p.m. for half an hour. Various celebrities will be on hand to lend some luster and amusing chit-chat. But the climax of the show each week will be watching the host reach into the Magic Barrel, pluck out a tile, and read off the name of the useless governmental department that will be struck off the public rolls that week.

    Imagine the drama! Viewers across the land will tune in to see how many billions of dollars the taxpayers will save this week! Fox is already top of the heap among television networks, but I confidently predict that 52 Weeks: Reality TV for the Fiscally Mature will help it set new popularity records.

    😆 😆 😆

    An absolutely marvelous idea. Rutherford, you seem to have a knack for entertaining articles and poetic license. I nominate you for a substantial fee to direct the show.

  198. I picked my occupational field of study because 1) I seemed to have a knack for it, and 2) THERE WERE LOTS OF JOBS!!!!!!! I must be a freaking genius to have come up with such a profoundly brilliant career plan.

    Spppppppppllllttttt…

    Baloney. Rutherford picked a career with lots of jobs, he’s a tad bit (big tad) smarter than you are with a knack for what he did, and things changed quickly in today’s business environment because weasels like you fucked it up so bad.

    Your career plan consisted of two corporate benefactors which Rutherford didn’t have: (1) The uncanny ability to suck chrome off a trailer hitch; (2) serendipity – you happened to be born at the right moment in time. We all know a major league suck up when we read one.

    So don’t come give us your genius speech. If you’ve proven anything here beyond a shadow of a doubt, it’s you are no genius. Besides, life has a way of balancing out the deck. You were dealt an easy career path, maybe a sum of semi-serious money; the second hand and the winning pot, you were dealt a series of jokers which will hopefully and quickly be followed by the Ace of Spades.

    I’ve got all your wonderful predictive abilities chronicled for discussion on November 3rd Graychin. For your families sake, I hope you’re better at predicting stocks. 😉

  199. “Huck, surely even you can understand the difference between liking Jefferson’s ideals as expressed in the Declaration, and wanting to call it law as B = W does.”

    When people are attempting to use those ideals to justify creation of law that effects 300,000,000 people and a large portion of a nation’s economy, then that makes it a little bit more than just “liking” an ideal, wouldn’t you agree?

    You cannot use specific wording in the Declaration of Independence to justify health care mandates and then turn around and claim that it is simply a document of ideals.

  200. Maybe it is her Masters Degree in Russian that influnces her thinking and decision making. One would think that freedom of thought and speech would be the prime directive for “public radio” in the United States of America!

  201. “(1) The uncanny ability to suck chrome off a trailer hitch; (2) serendipity – you happened to be born at the right moment in time. We all know a major league suck up when we read one.”-Tex

    I’m telling you, Greychin and the rest of these boomers all get one rib removed so they can suck their own dicks. Their bragging….it never stops.! You would think Greychin would be the biggest “pull yourself from your bootstraps” Republican on Earth…..but no….come to find out…only Greychin is awesome…only Greychin makes the right choices….the rest of us need Nanny.

  202. For a bunch of supposedly rugged individualists who claim to believe in free markets and capitalism uber alles, you guys sure do whine a lot.

    Yep – you were born too late, after the train had already left the station. Pre-boomers like me had nothing but a magic carpet ride.

  203. Well truthfully, Tex and I are very late-era baby boomers ourselves. So busting Graychin on this is kinda odd.

    I’m a bit surprised by the resentment and animosity toward baby boomers for the following reason:

    They had ideals. They launched the failed attempt at social change in the 1960’s. (Yes things changed but war continued, greed continued, the hippie free love utopia never materialized). But they at least tried.

    Contrast that with the kids who came of age in the 90’s. Their first thought upon college graduation was “where can I make the most money?”. F*ck social change. F*ck trying to make the system better. I just want MINE.

    It’s funny, I just looked up “the ME decade” and was surprised to find it defined as the 1970’s. Granted that is when the utopia bubble burst but I find subsequent decades way more selfish.

  204. Nope. Not saying that. I’m sure you worked hard. But you worked hard without the yoke of nanny. The housing bubble and the college tuition bubble were both caused by the kind of government involvement that you self admittedly never needed to succeed. Throw in Obama-care, Unionized economic infantcide and the massive debt you have served the Rabbit family and I got a right to bitch about the unsustainable world you left me.

    If the dollar does end up getting destroyed or this country decides to socialize more of the economy and we morph into a Mad-Max-ocracy, it will be a joy to join the angry mob. We will use your own canes and walkers as weapons against you!

  205. Never bring canes and walkers to a gunfight. Pre-boomers have Second Amendment rights and remedies too.

    No “nanny” back in the day? Not so. Back in school days, I used to argue politics with “conservatives” whose daddies had convinced them that FDR had wrecked America forever and that grass would imminently need mowing in the streets.

    What followed were some pretty good economic times.

    Then LBJ’s great society was going to sink us for sure. Gloom,despair and agony on all of us. Wrong again.

    Lighten up, Rabbit. I’ve heard it all before a few too many times. The doomsayers have a really bad track record. Don’t buy into their BS.

  206. Graychin misstating the truth again about the past…

    No “nanny” back in the day? Not so. Back in school days, I used to argue politics with “conservatives” whose daddies had convinced them that FDR had wrecked America forever and that grass would imminently need mowing in the streets.
    What followed were some pretty good economic times.

    Really? After your Keynesian economics of eight years, the unemployment rate still stood at 14.7%. And the good times were during the Eisenhower years, not the late 40s sport. And what’s the number of folks on food stamps now? About 15% of the population. Congratulations on your “success” and adulation of St. FDR…

    Then LBJ’s great society was going to sink us for sure. Gloom,despair and agony on all of us. Wrong again.

    Take a look at the Great Society now? How about public housing after we’ve spent $6Trillion on your Great Society society program?. How about the “black community” with 74% of babies born out of wedlock? Welfare? State of public education? How’d that Model City Act work for Detroit and Buffalo work? That massive joke called Head Start?

    I would say you’ve got called about right Rabbit. And I won’t mention what Graychin’s generation did with the Sexual Revolution, besides to say one out of four adults under 25 now has an incurable sexually transmitted disease.

    Nope Graychin, all you have proven with your ignorant statement is just how powerful an economic engine real capitalism is – not your version of socialist capitalism.

  207. Rutherford,

    I always thought the “boomer” generation improperly identified. Our suppose generation spanned 19 years – far too long.

    Let me put it this way. I certainly believe far more along the lines of BiC, Huck, Rabbit than I do the insufferable Graychin.

    And for the first time in history, succeeding generations will do less well. That’s Graychin’s legacy.

  208. “I certainly believe far more along the lines of BiC, Huck, Rabbit than I do the insufferable Graychin.”

    Really? No shit? That’s profound!

    Quote your foolishness all day long, Tex, but until the recent Great Recession economic times in America were pretty darn good. They’re getting better right now. Not as fast as they could have been with a bigger stimulus, but better nevertheless.

    Did you ever notice that right-wing politicians always talk about gloom, doom, and resentment of others? That’s because it works on a lot of people. Getting a jump on Godwin’s law, it worked really well for Hitler.

    Maybe, just maybe, we share the opinion that the middle class is the backbone of America.

    Maybe we also agree that the American middle class is shrinking. What we disagree about is why.

    I say that it’s because of Republican (Bush) economic and tax policies that resulted in a huge shift of wealth from the middle class to the wealthiest 1%. It’s not resentment to point that out. It’s just being real. Tinkle-down doesn’t work.

    You will disagree, I guess. For some reason.

  209. Greychin, Rabbits are like Pashtun motherfuckers. If we are your hosts, everything else is out the window. You will drink my best beer, eat my best food and I won’t beat your grey chest haired lumber jack ass.( Ok, I admit, that sounded kind gay.) In fact, I will defend you. So, come on up next summer. Let me show you Armageddon, because trust me, LBJ Armageddon did, in fact, arrive here on a scale that would be surreal to you.

  210. Did you ever notice that right left-wing politicians always talk about gloom, doom, and resentment of others “the rich”, and all the reasons why the guarantees and protections of law shouldn’t apply to them, so government can take their shit and give it to people who didn’t earn it? That’s because it works on a lot of people those they have succeeded in making dependent on government. Getting a jump on Godwin’s law, i It worked really well for Hitler Lenin.

    Fixed if for you.

  211. Quote your foolishness all day long, Tex, but until the recent Great Recession economic times in America were pretty darn good. They’re getting better right now. Not as fast as they could have been with a bigger stimulus, but better nevertheless.

    Really? Well, fortunately or unfortunately I was right there with you through most of it, even if your memory is failing you and can’t recall some pretty bleak times through the 70s. Waited around for gasoline recently? Does your daughter carry any financing with 16% prime rates and 21% home loans? Do we cower and piss in our pants because of an Ayatollah Khomeni, or had we had any malaise speeches (were starting to hear an inkling of that from Bongo). Have we abandoned any countries like South Vietnam to watch 2.5MM Vietnamese slaughtered?

    I can recall some damn good times from 1982 – 2008, mostly under Republican Presidents. Even Clinton for all his foibles and after his ass was kicked in ’94, governed like a Republican – and then only because he was under a majority Republican Congress that forced things like welfare reform. I don’t think your history is so swift Al “Graychin” Bundy.

    Did you ever notice that right-wing politicians always talk about gloom, doom, and resentment of others?

    Like our recent “Depression” (still pushing the car out of the dtich ad infinitum :roll:), going over seas on the apology tour to grovel for sins never committed, black churches burning to the ground replete with crosses and dragged to death lynchings like James Byrd. Or do you prefer the Republicans who will steal your Social Security, food stamps, Medicaid, and public housing? You seem to prefer the race pimping methodology – which is also phony as hell as your place of residence attests.

    The middle to upper middle class is the backbone of the country? Sure. But you turds from the godless Left can’t even define middle class – it changes depending on the forum and the argument. And yes we are squeezed. Guess why? Taxes (fed, state, local), fees, services, and ancillary costs have exceeded wage increases for 15 years.

    But you say trickle down doesn’t work? Baloney. You can’t even get the nomenclature right – it is called supply side economics and it worked beautifully for 26 years – the longest sustained period of economic growth in U.S. history.

    Here is what I really think of you Graychin. Your are, without doubt, greasier than grease through a goose and twice as slimy. You’re a liar, a hypocrite, and self-serving coward to the nth degree. You may believe yourself incredibly bright. I think you’re one of the stupidest people on earth because of inanity like this:

    They’re getting better right now

    Is that why 1 out of 7 people are being fed by food stamps? It’s getting better? 🙄 Real unemployment about 20%? It’s getting better? $3.4 Trillion in debt accumulated in 20 months with no appreciable benefit? It’s getting better?

    You’re a sad joke, and intellectual dishonest hack and propagandist Graychin.

  212. I say that it’s because of Republican (Bush) economic and tax policies that resulted in a huge shift of wealth from the middle class to the wealthiest 1%.

    What’s wealthy? 200K a year? Because that is the people you are really trying to punish Bozo. If not, let’s make the top rate $1,000,000 a year and we’ll all get on the same page, shake hands. How about that?

    It’s not the top 1% of wage earners Graychin – pure propaganda, total bullshit. As a tax accountant you of all people ought to know those people life Buffett, Gates, and multi-millionaires making over a million a year are completely immune to larger tax increases, their money sheltered, their wealth sustained no matter the tax rate. It’s the current biggest line of crap you clowns try to sell to “benefit the little man.”

  213. This election is a total referendum on Obama and his policies. We will see next week just how popular Obama really is.

    Rutherford, may I pay you a left-handed compliment? It’s premature and you could fall apart this last week, but you’ve held it together much better than I thought you would. I thought you’d be getting pretty shrill about now. Maybe that is what separates Graychin (whom I disdain) from you (who I like).

    Other than your hang up with parroting the nightly MSNBC line (i.e., Christine O’Donnell), you have been reasonable fair the last few weeks. Undoubtedly, even MSNBC is running out of bullets.

    I have no idea how this election will go next week, but you are the one lib (I can’t even say this about Jim Dougan, RIP) who the last weeks of this election cycle is actually holding it together.

    Maybe our debating with you has opened up the “right eye?”

  214. “If Latinos sit out the election instead of saying, ‘We’re gonna punish our enemies and we’re gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us,’ if they don’t see that kind of upsurge in voting in this election, then I think it’s gonna be harder and that’s why I think it’s so important that people focus on voting on November 2.”

    Punish our enemies? Is the post-racial dialogue of the post-racial President. And men like Graychin can not fathom why I think Barack Hussein Obama a really, really rotten egg?

    Can anybody imagine what would have flashed across the MSM had George Bush referred domestically as “punish our enemies” when referring to fellow citizens of any capacity?

    This falls somewhere between Nixonian and Chavez…

  215. Maybe our debating with you has opened up the “right eye?”

    ROTFL … damn, I’m beginning to think this whole Tex from OK is a scam and you live right down the street from me. It just so happens I have a terrible droop in my right eyelid (paresis) so you just made a pun far more effective than you could have imagined. 😉

    One reason I’ve been “reasonable” is that I don’t see the tsunami coming that you do. I’ve also become a bit jaded. I see a pretty dismal two years ahead of us, Gridlock if the Dem’s keep the majority and impeachment hearings if they don’t. 😦

  216. One reason I’ve been “reasonable” is that I don’t see the tsunami coming that you do.

    Tsunami is such a loose translation. Knowing you are not a betting man, should we make a gentleman’s bet in more applicable terms?

    I’ll start:

    House: +55 Seats Republican
    Senate: + 8 Republican

    Which to me, represents a best case scenario since I have stated that all I need is one majority component to stop and defund Obama’s grand illusions….or is it delusions? And with a complete majority, it makes it far too convenient for Obama to have a scapegoat.

    So for a time, you may have the Senate. And I will not be completely surprised if my Senate number is somewhat less than predicted. We are after all competing in the bluest of blue states this cycle.

    The fact that the races are even close for Senate in California, Washington, and Illinois speaks volumes about the supposed successes of Obama. The fact that not one Democrat is using Obama’s “accomplishments” in their campaign even more so. 😉

    I’m a patient man.

  217. “As a tax accountant you of all people ought to know those people life Buffett, Gates, and multi-millionaires making over a million a year are completely immune to larger tax increases,”

    That’s completely wrong. Something from your parallel universe. The only income really sheltered from tax is capital gains, and of course it gets favored treatment. And its funny that you mentioned Buffett and Gates, since they are two billionaires who think their taxes are too low.

    Tex, Rabbit, B = W, and others – you can’t see the forest for the trees. When I think of what America was like in my childhood compared to what it is today, the change is astounding and virtually all for the better. I’ve never heard such sorry short-term thinking as you guys exhibit. We’re in a lighter recession than at the end of the second year of the Reagan Administration and you think that we’re on the verge of Mad Max. You’re really wrong. America’s brightest days are ahead.

    Economic cycles are …. (duh) cyclical. Boom and bust, up and down, it’s always been this way and maybe it always will be – especially if the laissez-faire crowd has its way. It’s damn painful for the people who suffer in the bust cycles, but the long-term path is upward.

    My Gen-X daughter is having a good life, better than mine and her mother’s. I see unlimited futures for my two grandkids. I’m not pessimistic for them at all. Actually, I worry for them more over climate change than I do over silly economic cycles. Boom and bust comes and goes in waves, and resourceful people will surf the waves and sit tight in the troughs. A country boy can survive.

    What the heck is wrong with you guys and all your gloom and doom? You see everything that’s wrong with America and nothing that is right. Especially Tex. Man, you can point to everything that you don’t like, but would you rather live now or in 1930 before FDR screwed our future for good? Yes the middle class has been shrinking since the 1980’s. We disagree as to why, but wiser heads will ultimately prevail and it will come back.

    Moral: liberals like me are optimistic pragmatists. Conservatives like you are pessimistic ideologues. I’m for making things better. You are for keeping the faith.

    I don’t believe your conservative dogma.

  218. You call yourself an accountant? More like a moron. How in the world did you pass the CPA Graychin? Let me correct your mistakes dummy and I’ll prove it with your ignorant example.

    That’s completely wrong. Something from your parallel universe. The only income really sheltered from tax is capital gains, and of course it gets favored treatment. And its funny that you mentioned Buffett and Gates, since they are two billionaires who think their taxes are too low.

    I assume you’ve heard of deferred income, deferred stock option,carried interests and performance fees? Even poor, poor slacker Tex received a few of these in his time.

    So riddle me this genius. How then did Warren Buffett arrive at a tax rate lower of 17.7% in 2007 on 46MM of taxable income, while his employees paid 32.9%? And it wasn’t capital gains, but “carried interest” and “performance fee” – taxed at a capital gains rate.

    That’s right – a nice tax loophole created for the very wealthy. Why don’t you work on closing the clever loop holes assholes like you helped to create, then come preach to us Al? And you preached but didn’t answer any of my questions ditz.

    Let me fill you in on another secret dummy. Warren Buffett is the world’s second biggest hypocrite short of you. If Buffett is so concerned with not paying enough taxes, he has every right to pay more – yet for some ironic reason, he doesn’t. He’s known in the financial circles as an overrated cheapskate. His record the past ten years has sucked. Like you, Buffett is a product of serendipity. Second, Buffett is a hardcore and completely immune to tax increases. He’s admitted his life has been one of dissatisfaction and loneliness (I read his book).

    Once you hit a billion, don’t much matter what your tax structure is. Or haven’t you figured that out yet?

    Let me give you another example of how moronic and myopic you are:

    We’re in a lighter recession than at the end of the second year of the Reagan Administration and you think that we’re on the verge of Mad Max. You’re really wrong. America’s brightest days are ahead.

    You accuse us of not seeing the forest for the trees, but you don’t understand up from down and I can prove it. The recession by late ’82 was close to over. We were headed in the right direction. If you deny this, then please explain why a short 24 months later, Reagan won 49 states and came within 3,000 Minnesota votes of sweeping all 50. You want bet right now Obama will even close to this? He’ll be lucky to win.

    We aren’t headed in the right direction – we’re circling the drain pal. California is on the verge of bankruptcy – and their dumb enough to probably reelect the same dolts who helped put them there. We’re at war with radical Islam and assholes like you are defending them even when they kill our own citizens while never failing to criticize the very ones that protect your worthless ass. You’re Baghdad Bob and Tokyo Rose rolled into one.

    We’ve got epidemic teenage suicide, our borders have become war zones, and your own grandchildren’s future has been mortgaged to the hilt. We’ll be lucky to make it another 20 years on the road were on.

    For the first time in American history, the overwhelming majority of parents think their own children will not live as well as they have. That’s the facts dickhead, and because of ignorant dolts like you, we not only have to overcome that “reality”, but kick your selfish ass aside in the process of doing so. And you’ve got millions of rubes for company.

    I could go on and on…

    You are profoundly stupid and short-sighted Graychin. A wart on the bunghole of humanity.

  219. Can anyone here with half a brain tell me how Graychin could possibly come to the conclusion that he’s more worried about climate change that the economic straights we find ourselves in?

    I’m actually embarrassed I thought at one time this geezer half way bright and simply twisted. He’s so inhumanely stupid, he should be immediately sent to the glue factory.

    How many Climategate, RainforestGates, Himalayagates do we have to discover Graychin before you’ll realized that Global Climate Change is the biggest scientific fraud ever foisted on the gullible American public.

    You ought to be more worried about freezing to death… 🙄

  220. Too many typos in that last two posts to correct. Except for Graychin, I apologize for the length. I don’t proofread like I should, but his last post was so full of crap, I just typed as fast as I could to respond.

    I’ll answer in a more clear, concise manner tomorrow.

  221. Just saw some reporting on the news about a scuffle outside the Paul/Conway debate. I didn’t catch the beginning of the event or its full context, but those Paul supporters were wrong. As much fun as it might be, and certainly how much it is likely deserved, to whoop the shit out of a MoveOn.org supporter isn’t very constructive. In fact, its wrong.

    It feeds the distorted image the media is desperate to paint. They need to control their temper and they need to accept the oppositions right to make an ass of themselves, rather than becoming the ass.

  222. Interesting contributions this morning G.

    273 — Compelling video. The degree to which we “love our children” as a society has always been just so much hokum. Lots of folks view them as fun for five minutes and a nuisance from minute 6 on. That goes for teachers too. We need course correction on how we’re managing our kids, both within families and in the classroom.

    274 — A long video for a simple stupid message. Candidates cheat just like all humans do. She got caught on camera. Good for her.

    275 — Glad to see my readers are calling out GOP thuggery when they see it. 🙂

    P.S. There’s a new post gang!

  223. “The argument that Obamacare is in the Declaration of Independence is just silly.”

    Good to see you have at least 1 ounce of sense. Care to pass some of it along to Rutherford?

  224. “Move on.”

    Last I checked this blog belonged to someone other than you. You want to direct traffic, go home to your circle jerk.

  225. Well, Homeland Security has foiled me in my dastardly attempt to illegally download the new Jimmy Hendrix box set. Fair enough. Wrong is wrong. Golf clap while the border remains in complete anarchy and innocents are exploited without dignity for votes.

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