The Health Care Video We Needed Six Months Ago

As Americans get increasingly dumbed down from one year to the next, it becomes more and more important that every key legislative issue be presented like an Afterschool Special or maybe Schoolhouse Rock, from back when I was a kid.

Today, historic health care legislation went into effect in this country. Some folks in this country are better off for it. Most folks don’t know why. While I have come to the conclusion that this was the right fight fought at the wrong time, it is nevertheless a major step forward in social progress for the US of A. The video below explains in the simplest way possible what has transpired.

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You are Not Among the Downtrodden, Please Sit Down and Shut Up

Earlier this week, President Obama took some questions at a CNBC Town Hall meeting focused on the economy. The first question made news everywhere as Velma Hart expressed disappointment in the President.

She worried about returning to the “hot dogs and beans” days she thought she had left behind. The fact that she is a Chief Financial Officer of a stable concern went in one ear and out the other but I was brought back to reality when I saw Ms. Hart on MSNBC’s “Hardball” and she mentioned not being able to buy a new car. Excuse me? We have people living in their cars because their houses have been foreclosed and this is the extent of Ms. Hart’s inconvenience?

Could it be that the fact Ms. Hart was black lulled everyone into thinking she is one of the “common man”? News flash: she is not. I have no doubt as a CFO,  she makes upwards of six figures a year. She is the last person to play poster child for the downtrodden scolding Obama for letting her down.

To use one of her favorite phrases, “quite frankly” Velma Hart needs to count her lucky stars, sit down and STFU.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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130 thoughts on “The Health Care Video We Needed Six Months Ago

  1. As Americans get increasingly dumbed down from one year to the next, it becomes more and more important that every key legislative issue be presented like an Afterschool Special or maybe Schoolhouse Rock, from back when I was a kid.

    Is that why the farce was 2,300 pages long?

    Rutherford, it’s a POS. The people who understand it best (the elderly) are the ones that hate it the worst. Damn, have you seen the increases in health care this year?

    When are you libs going to get it through your thick skulls (it’s a rhetorical question as you never will) every cost associated with a business is eventually passed to the consumer?

    There hasn’t been a bigger boondoggle passed since the Great Society. How many articles from libbie periodicals do we need to see before even you admit Obamacare is a costly and corrupt crock of shit?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/16/AR2009071602242.html

  2. Good thing you’re a Hawwvard graduate. You’ll have to be after BongoCare runs its course.

    Look at this Rutherford and tell me this isn’t a cluster f***. Untrained monkeys could do better than this.

  3. Go ahead and turn on the masses. But please be honest enough to include yourself amongst us as there is no way in hell you understand the health care bill. The pigs who voted for it in Congress admit they can’t comprehend it. Your recent move towards elitism is too funny. But its official now: Rutherford Lawson has hand cuffed himself to the health care bill. You will own its failure.

  4. “…every cost associated with a business is eventually passed to the consumer…”

    That’s every business owner’s Utopian wish (and every Republican politician’s mantra), but it collides with ugly reality. Some of us still believe what we learned in Econ 101 – that business revenues are set by laws of supply and demand. Mindlessly “passing along” your costs is likely to cause customers to buy from your competitors, or to cut back on their usage of your product. Of course some oligopolists may try to defeat supply and demand through collusion and price-fixing, but that could never succeed in America. Could it?
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    That’s a good video. I see that it was produced by the Kaiser Family Foundation, which ought to know a thing or two about health care. Some of us won’t believe anything in it because is wasn’t produced by an ideologically approved source. But whether you love or hate the Affordable Care Act, the video at least explains what it’s all about. (But why did they leave out the part about the death panels?)
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    And Rutherford – thank you for the update on Velma Hart. I had ignored the details of the story, but had assumed that she was an ordinary working woman (NOT a six-figure CFO) that the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy was spotlighting for the next 15 minutes because she was a black person saying something bad about Obama. Actually, I agreed with what she was saying.

    I’m tired of apologizing for Obama too, but I’m unhappy with him for reasons that are probably 180° from most of the folks who hang out here. It’s a ridiculous joke when he is called the “most radical” president in American history.

    Jon Stewart said it brilliantly last night to Bill O’Reilly. Obama was elected as a visionary, but has governed like a functionary. He and the Congressional Democrats need to grow a pair.
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    I can’t believe that the Dems have punted the tax cuts. Why not vote on two bills – one extending the cuts for those making above $250K, and another extending the cuts for everyone else? It would be a political winner for the Dems, and bring about the right result.

    Waiting to vote on tax cuts until AFTER an election? It’s insanity.

  5. What?

    You mean the payday that black folks thought they were going to get by pulling the voting lever for a guy who’s only qualification was his skin color are now getting tired of waiting for their quid-pro-quo?

    Say it aint so.

    You’re not getting that this isn’t about class, Rutherford. It’s about color. You don’t want to admit it, but you can see it right here. Black American voters thought electing a black president was going to be their payday. They were going to be able to buy new cars, and get their mortgage and gas bills paid. And they are now seeing how wrong they were.

  6. “Mindlessly “passing along” your costs is likely to cause customers to buy from your competitors, or to cut back on their usage of your product.”

    Just like we told you idiots was going to happen.

    But nooooooo. Healthcare reform was going to get health care for EVERYONE! Remember? It was going to be a utopian experience based on the Declaration of Independence that guarantees all Americans the right to immortality and a life free from death.

    2012 cannot come soon enough.

  7. That’s every business owner’s Utopian wish (and every Republican politician’s mantra), but it collides with ugly reality. Some of us still believe what we learned in Econ 101 – that business revenues are set by laws of supply and demand. Mindlessly “passing along” your costs is likely to cause customers to buy from your competitors, or to cut back on their usage of your product.

    You really are a dope, aren’t you, Chin?

    If ALL businesses are subject to this, there won’t be a competitor who doesn’t pass it along to the consumer, and it will happen, as many businesses are already running lean (thanks, Democratically controlled Congress!), and have no elasticity with which to absorb the additional financial burdens imposed by a sticky-fingered governmnent. Yes, demand will decrease, which will do nothing to alieviate unemployment, and some businesses will go under, which will make the economy worse, not better, but businesses will have no choice but to pass these costs on to the consumer.

  8. But nooooooo. Healthcare reform was going to get health care for EVERYONE! Remember? It was going to be a utopian experience based on the Declaration of Independence that guarantees all Americans the right to immortality and a life free from death.

    But Huck! That couldn’t be! Now-Justice Kagan told us that the DOI was a dead letter, legally speaking.

    *spit*

  9. I’d invite graychin and others to really read any one of their utility bills,the sticker on a new car or appliance and get a real econ 101 education.
    The items I’ve suggested will show anyone with a 5th grade reading level that any number of costs both due to production and those due to regulation have indeed been passed onto you.

  10. Mr. Pragmatic,

    Perhaps you should have gone a little further than Econ 101 and learned something about the price elasticity of demand. I’ve found just about that level of expertise in every field you preach to us about.

    Try this one on Mr. Keynes and your failed economic policies you were cheerleading 20 months ago. Health care costs are not based on simple supply and demand. That’s sheer ignorance on your behalf and shows the breadth of knowledge of Yeller Dawg.

    Perhaps you need to brush up on inelastic demand Graychin? 🙄

    Oh, I guarantee you the costs will be passed on to the consumer, as is already happening dummy.

  11. I didn’t even bother to watch the video, but if it’s from the Kaiser Family Foundation (I’ll take Mr. Pragmatic’s word for it), that a lefty’s wet dream. That is sheer propaganda for liberal health care, replete with Nelson Mandela Awards, Donna Shalala awards, and all kinds of bunk.

    Take a look for yourself and see their subject material. Think AARP.

    http://www.kff.org/about/index2.cfm

    And the worst part is like the AARP, these scum bags claim to be “non-partisan.” My ass…

  12. Gawd, it’s worse than I thought. Look who resides on the Kaiser board. 😆 This is like Graychin preaching to me about ‘African-American’ policy when there isn’t a black face in his entire town.

    Kaiser Board of Trustees (partial list)

    Drew Altman, Ph.D.
    President and Chief Executive Officer

    Altman served in a senior position in the Health Care Financing Administration in the Carter administration.

    Susan V. Berresford
    Former President, Ford Foundation
    Consultant, New York Community Trust

    Charles Gibson
    Former Anchor of World News with Charles Gibson on ABC News

    Cokie Roberts
    Political Commentator, ABC News
    Senior News Analyst, NPR

    Gerald Rosberg, J.D.
    Senior Vice President, The Washington Post

    David Satcher, M.D.
    Director, Center of Excellence on Health Disparities
    Poussaint-Satcher-Cosby Chair in Mental Health
    Morehouse School of Medicine

    Donna E. Shalala, Ph.D.
    President, University of Miami

    Diana Chapman Walsh, M.S., Ph.D.
    Former President, Wellesley College

    W. Richard West, Jr., J.D.
    Founding Director
    Smithsonian’s National Museum of the American Indian

    Yeah Mr. Pragmatic – non partisan indeed. 😆 I knew it had to be when you complimented them. Take a hike shilll…

  13. Graychin said: “Some of us won’t believe anything in it (the video) because is wasn’t produced by an ideologically approved source.”

    Did I call that one, or what? 😀

  14. G-chin, you’re an accountant? You must work for the IRS. “Business revenues are set by laws of supply and demand?”

    No. Price is set by the law of supply and demand. Business revenues are set by the laws of cost of production and price that are in turn dependent on tax.

    All you’ve said is that in order to compete one needs to produce in another country, which in turn lowers both the business and income tax base.

    Brilliant and psychic. The ladies must swoon.

  15. Which part wasn’t accurate?

    Oh, nothing more than the cost…which has already been “revised” by the CBO.

    How about the news from media matters to top it off? Keith Olbermann for balance, and Butch Madcow for the mathematics? She was so damn good at physics explaining why we couldn’t drill in ANWAR harrumph harrumph… I just wish I could have 9 minutes and 4 seconds of my life back.

    Mr. Pragmatic, did you notice the last two minutes where we talked about who would get to pay for it? A little tax here four years in advance with no benefit, a little fucking the medical community there. But, but, but…some will get a tax credit. Votes mean a lot (to a politician).

    Why, with our government record of meddling intervention, I fully expect no more than say 800% cost overruns (Medicare), and real efficiency (the postal service, immigration reform, passport renewal).

    Oh yeah, I feel so much better about BongoCare.

  16. Great video, Rutherford. I am intentionally not reading the comments above because I am sure our neocon friends are ripping it to shreds.

    Sadly, what will happen is that the bad guys will make their own video – perhaps with neat little animations of grandma being sentenced to death by a death panel. It will be a lie – but sadly it will work.

    Sarah Palin is back in the news again, spreading lies about death panels. In that light, I will ask a question here that I also asked on my own blog (and for which I have received no answer): What is the difference between a lifetime limit and a death panel. Both effectively terminate treatment resulting in the probable death of the patient…

    Oh! I know the answer! Lifetime limits actually existed before yesterday! Death panels never existed and were made up!

  17. Ah, all kinds of good news today. Here libs. Read what happens to all of you eventually. 🙂

    http://www.deadline.com/2010/09/cnbc-zucker-wont-make-comcast-merger/

    Can one of you helpless government lackeys Progressives explain to me the “reasoning” of taxing medical devices? I’m absolutely sure there is some cluster fuck astute reasoning behind wanting to provide an additional charge on corporations who make the devices that save our lives.

    Save me Obama! Save me!

  18. “Business revenues are set by the laws of cost of production and price that are in turn dependent on tax.”

    Huh? That sentence makes no sense at all.

    Revenues are not determined by production cost. Unless you are incredibly stupid, you are already selling as much of your product as you can for as much as you can get for it, regardless of your production costs. That is, “whatever the market will bear.” The market for your product determines your revenues – not your costs. If your revenues aren’t higher than your costs, you won’t be in business for long.

    You might TRY to raise your prices, and therefore your revenues, to cover a cost increase. That doesn’t mean that your customers will buy your product at that higher price. They might decide to buy from your competitor, or to do without your product.

    Too bad about you not being able to “pass along” that cost increase! It just might have to come out of your profits.

    Ask Blockbuster how successful it was in “passing along” its high brick-and-mortar overhead costs to its customers.

    It’s all “in turn dependent on tax”? That’s complete nonsense. Taxes are a cost of doing business, like labor and materials and occupancy.

    Come on, guys. This stuff isn’t that difficult. You’re being blinded by ideology – as usual.

  19. CNN POLL: Obama hits all-time low. “The president’s approval rating now stands at 42 percent – an all time low in CNN polling and 8 points lower than where Obama was only three weeks ago. Moreover, 56 percent of all Americans think the president has fallen short of their expectations.”

    But wait, there’s more: “In even worse news for congressional Democrats, likely voters say they are considerably more likely to vote for a candidate the president opposes than one he supports. On the other hand, 50 percent of voters said they would be more likely to vote for a Tea Party-backed candidate while a third of Americans said Tea Party support would dissuade their vote for a candidate.”

    This is why attacking the Tea Party movement is probably a bad idea for Obama — it’s considerably more popular than he is. 😈

    Keep spinning boys. 🙂

  20. I will ask a question here that I also asked on my own blog (and for which I have received no answer):

    I decided I really didn’t have time for it anymore when I saw you making excuses for a billionaire/nazi-collaborator in your comments, coming so shortly after your debut of the hit parlor game of the season, ‘Nazi Word Association”. Once is an abberation, twice is a trend.

    What is the difference between a lifetime limit and a death panel. Both effectively terminate treatment resulting in the probable death of the patient…

    One is a condition of a contract that you voluntarily enter into, and the other is the result of being compelled to contribute to a system of forced mediocrity for the priviledge of having a bureaucrat who answers to no one, and is only concerned withwhat ever status quo it can maintain for all who are forced to submit to it.

    I know. It isn’t as trite and facile as the pro-socialist answer you so faux-cleverly gave yourself, but then reality rarely is.

    “Don’t think for yourself, commerade! The State has your best interests at heart, and only it is qualified to determine what that is.”

  21. Hey Graychin,

    I finally found you a couple of kindred spirits! Hippie borders on joining this group, but he’s too likable (unlike you).

    Last night, MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann interviewed the filmmaker Michael Moore. Both of them are disgusted with the Democratic Party and its leadership. Now Olbermann and Moore inhabit a fantasy world in which Democrats are failing not because they passed ObamaCare but because they don’t have the courage to trumpet their support for it. Democrats, you see, are too spineless and too passive, not willing to thump their chests to celebrate their role in passing incredibly unpopular legislation. GUFFAW!

    Read the rest…

    http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/wehner/362896

  22. Taxes are a cost of doing business, like labor and materials and occupancy.

    Taxes are a cost that the business owner can do nothing about, and cannot control.

    If your production costs are too high, you can find ways to produce more cheaply.

    If overhead is too high, sometimes (depending on the business) you can find ways to reduce it. And in some businesses, if your labor costs are too high, you can change that (unless you are in say, manufacturing, and you have to deal with a union, like the UAW, SPEEA, or other similar extortion groups.) But if your taxes are too high, you have two options: pass the cost along to your consumers (or at least as much as you can bear), or you go out of business.

  23. BiW said: I decided I really didn’t have time for it anymore when I saw you making excuses for a billionaire/nazi-collaborator in your comments, coming so shortly after your debut of the hit parlor game of the season, ‘Nazi Word Association”. Once is an abberation, twice is a trend.

    Dude, lighten up…..

    You can say what you like about my defense of Soros, who did indeed collaborate with Nazis when he was 13 years old. Condemn me for it of you like. I didn’t know much about the world when I was 13 – but maybe Soros was special. I guess we will have to be condemning our Pope, the Hitler Youth member too.

    But Nazi Word Association? It was never meant to be anything but silly fun. I thought that was obvious. Sorry that didn’t come across clearly – though sometimes I do suspect you are incapable of finding humor in anything.

  24. You can say what you like about my defense of Soros, who did indeed collaborate with Nazis when he was 13 years old.

    Yes, I can. But thank you for the recognition of that fact.

    I didn’t know much about the world when I was 13..

    And there are times when I think you don’t know much about it now.

    …but maybe Soros was special.

    I think that getting people killed probably puts him into that category, but then if he was proud because “he didn’t look like a jew”, then he was such a darling child to begin with.

    I guess we will have to be condemning our Pope, the Hitler Youth member too.

    I don’t know. Did Pope Bennie get people killed?
    Speaking of the Hitler Youth, one of the reasons I’m less than jovial on the subject comes from a book I read as a…wait for it….13 Year Old!!! Called “I Was There” by Hans Peter Richter, who was himself a member of the Hitler Youth, and had an interesting, albeit horrifying story to tell.

  25. Hmm, BiW…. it seems that we do have a societal tendency to forgive people who committed horrid acts in their youth if they reform later in life.

    Does the name “Saul of Tarsus” ring a bell?

    Look – I am not claiming that Soros is a choirboy – but condemning him for life based on what he did for two years in his youth during wartime is pretty unfair.

  26. God had a little talk with Saul.

    I don’t recall Soros ever making a similar claim, not that it was as much about what he did (and in wartime Europe, yes, a 13 year old would have understood what the Nazis were about, especially if they were jewish), it was about your willingness to excuse and defend his actions with the whole “he was only thirteen” line of reasoning. But since you brought it up, how exactly did Dr. Evil reform? Was it stopping his collaboration with murderous control freaks to become rich beyond avarice and start funding various “public interest groups” that support the viewpoints of control freaks who haven’t yet gotten murderous because they don’t want to alert their subjects?

  27. it seems that we do have a societal tendency to forgive people who committed horrid acts in their youth if they reform later in life.

    Paul reformed his life in the most dramatic of ways, and his sins were certainly not self-serving. He was a zealot, but not a self-aggrandizer. His persecution of the Apostles was heart felt at what he thought just. Paul received no personal gain from his zealotry, and in fact felt great guilt for the remainder of his life upon the Road to Damascus.

    Soros has continued his sociopathic tendencies. Good grief man. Do you realize the kind of evil you’re supporting? His felonies were not “youthful discretions.” He was in his 70s when he became a convicted felon for insider trading. And that’s the least of this wicked bastard’s sins.

  28. A clown that uses Blockbuster as example as economic analogous to ObamaCare scolds us with comments like this?

    Come on, guys. This stuff isn’t that difficult. You’re being blinded by ideology – as usual.

    What is it you don’t understand? You think Health care is a commodity? Some doctor (who’s just been screwed by Bongocare) tells you there is only one anti-viral that will save you and I can guarantee you’re not going to thinking, “Well, if we can reduce demand….:eek:”

    You’ll pay whatever the pharmacist tells you you’ll pay and be happy to do so.

    And yes, every tax is eventually passed on to consumers…otherwise business goes bust.

  29. Someone is losing sight of what started the discussion on economics – the idiotic myth that businesses can “pass along” their costs.

    Blockbuster couldn’t “pass along” its costs because its prices and its resulting revenues were being set by supply and demand.

    Your anti-viral medication is an excellent example of how the cost of an item frequently has no relationship to the cost of production. When your life depends on it, you will pay what Pharma charges, i.e. “whatever the traffic will bear.”

    The usual economic model breaks down in a lot of ways where health care is concerned. The person making the buying decision (the doctor) is not the person paying the bill (the insurance company), neither of whom are the person receiving the product or service. Demand is highly price-inelastic when life and death, or the health of a child, are at stake.

    Taxes as a cost of doing business are indeed controllable – not completely, but just as controllable as other costs are. Businesses can and do choose their service area and location based on tax considerations, among other things – just like businesses move to China to get cheap labor. But any businessman who lets taxes drive his business model is a damn fool. A good businessman learns to survive and thrive in his environment, which includes a labor market, access to materials, occupancy and real estate conditions… and taxes.

    A businessman who allows taxes to drive all his decisions (as in comment #17) is on his way to bankruptcy court. If he is blinded by ideology, unable to evaluate reality, he will fail every time.

  30. Businesses can and do choose their service area and location based on tax considerations,

    And once you set up shop, and have an investment that represents most of your capital, and you can’t afford to move when the government fills up with “Soak the rich” pols who have no idea what rich really is, you are in a situation where you pass on what you can, and squeeze efficiencies elsewhere, and hope you don’t go out of business, you dope.

  31. Blockbuster couldn’t “pass along” its costs because its prices and its resulting revenues were being set by supply and demand.

    Blockbuster couldn’t pass along its costs because it got beat by a superior technology on two sides – (1) Netflix and (2) Redbox.

    Your comment is irrelevant to price elasticity. I don’t think you have clue to what you are talking about Mr. Accountant.

    But any businessman who lets taxes drive his business model is a damn fool. A good businessman learns to survive and thrive in his environment, which includes a labor market, access to materials, occupancy and real estate conditions… and taxes.

    Really. Well I guess most corporations leaving for greener pastures are “damned fools” and you accountants can quit scheming about new deprecation schedules since it’s not important, hey?

    Hard to believe you’re a tax accountant.

  32. G-chin, I swear you are retarded — I mean intellectually challenged. Yes, increased tax means increased costs to produce. If all widget manufacturers have the same increase in tax, all widget manufacturers have higher costs in manufacturing their widgets. And you say they won’t raise prices because of market forces that never existed before the tax? Corporations just feel guilty for making a profit and just failed to turn it over to the government voluntarily. Whatever.

    I’m guessing you didn’t ace the econ 101 exam.

  33. So Graychin,

    Answer me this. What do think Proctor & Gamble, IBM, Exxon, Apple, JP Morgan, etc. do when their taxes are increased?

    Since they answer to shareholders who expect growth in earnings, are you going to tell me they eat the additional costs and tell the shareholders, “oh sorry?” Buwahahahaha…

    You obviously never worked for a Fortune 500 company. I’ll assure you two things will happen when corporate taxes are increased: (1) Either they’ll pass the costs along to distributors, who will in turn pass it on to the consumer or (2) Under the guidelines of those “efficiencies” you talk about, they’ll make do with less; as in less employees.

    So uh, which one of those do you recommend Graychin? You got a real unemployment rate of about 15-17% now. You’ve got poverty higher than at anytime since before WWII. Almost 50% of black teenagers are unemployed. And you’ve got a worm for President that demonizes business both large and small daily.

    So I assume we should raise corporate taxes some more to correct all this, right? That makes perfect sense. 🙄

  34. So, which one of you leftists is going to explain the premise behind Colbert testifying before Congress today?

    Really, considering how pissed the American people are right now about a do-nothing, wasteful Congress, how could you possibly think that this was a good idea? On the same day that you told the American people you didn’t have time to deal with the Tax issue.

    Retarded. Fucking Retarded.

  35. Gorilla said: Retarded. Fucking Retarded.

    I have to agree on this, Gorilla. Oh – he was funny – but I don’t think this was the place for funny. Even on a purely tactical basis, all he did was give ammunition to the right.

  36. You appear to be mocking the people, not taking the issue of immigration serious, and in general, wasting a ton of cash. The number I heard was that is cost this committee $125,000 a minute to meet.

    You better pray that’s not true…

  37. What’s the best part of this video:

    A) That these union dudes managed to break a host of laws in 30 minutes by smoking weed and DWI

    or

    B) That they drove back to the Chrysler plant in Fords…

  38. Hippie Punching… HP… Hehehehe…

    Top Obama adviser David Axelrod got an earful of the liberal blogosphere’s anger at the White House moments ago, when a blogger on a conference call directly called out Axelrod over White House criticism of the left, accusing the administration of “hippie punching.”

    “We’re the girl you’ll take under the bleachers but you won’t be seen with in the light of day,” the blogger, Susan Madrak of Crooks and Liars, pointedly told Axelrod on the call, which was organzied for liberal bloggers and progressive media.

  39. You’ve got poverty higher than at anytime since before WWII.

    I call bullshit. The way that “poverty” is determined leaves a bit to be desired, and frankly, opens the door to questions about priorities.

    ————————————————–

    What’s the best part of this video:

    A) That these union dudes managed to break a host of laws in 30 minutes by smoking weed and DWI

    or

    B) That they drove back to the Chrysler plant in Fords…

    Gorilla, like I said at DPUD when Sean posted it there, Fox just scooped a story older than me. I knew guys who worked their entire careers in the GM plants like that. And for the lefties among us, I would refer them to the book “Rivethead”, by Ben Hamper, a contemporary and freind of Michael the Manitee Moore, that describes it in great detail. The only thing that makes this “news” is now they are doing it on the taxpayer’s dime rather than the shareholders’ dime. God Bless the Democrats.

  40. BiC,

    I call bullshit. The way that “poverty” is determined leaves a bit to be desired, and frankly, opens the door to questions about priorities.

    That was the headlines this week. Yeah, I know I know. It’s hard to call it poverty when they’ve got a Blue Ray, car and Big Screen TV. 🙂

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/poverty-rate-increases-recession-highest-level-1994-census/story?id=11652753

    And more good news (if you’re not a fan of George Soros). Seems George has been doing a little lying:

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/despite-denials-soros-revealed-as-funding-liberal-jewish-group-j-street-103741329.html

  41. Gorilla said: Retarded. Fucking Retarded.

    I have to agree on this, Gorilla. Oh – he was funny – but I don’t think this was the place for funny. Even on a purely tactical basis, all he did was give ammunition to the right.

    I’m toying with a blog post on this one so I won’t say too much here. I actually don’t agree with HP and Gorilla on this one. I sunk a complete morning when I should have been working, watching the hearing. There is no doubt that Colbert was cringe-worthy at times. Like giving a comedy routine at a funeral. However, by staying in character, he thumbed his nose at the GOP quite beautifully. Without ever having to say it explicitly, he called them xenophobic racists. WILD!

    And then, the cherry on the sundae was when he answered the final question with dead seriousness … that he was brought up to believe we should defend the least of us … that we ask these people to do our work and then in the same breath ask them to leave. He felt compelled to speak for those who have no rights.

    Hippie, sorry call me a real bleeding heart lib but I think all in all, Colbert did more good than harm. As for my GOP buddies here on the blog, they should appreciate the fact that Colbert revealed our legislative body to be a farce in and of itself. That alone is a service to the people. 😉

  42. It’s hard to call it poverty when they’ve got a Blue Ray, car and Big Screen TV. 🙂

    Oh boy this gets so old …. the tired welfare queen and king stereotype being trotted out again.

    I knew there was a reason I loved conservatives so …. it’s their compassion. 😉

  43. BiW said: Was it stopping his collaboration with murderous control freaks to become rich beyond avarice and start funding various “public interest groups” that support the viewpoints of control freaks who haven’t yet gotten murderous because they don’t want to alert their subjects?

    See, you are revealing your true colors here. You object to Soros political beliefs, and use his history as a convenient way to attack that.

  44. See, you are revealing your true colors here. You object to Soros political beliefs, and use his history as a convenient way to attack that.

    No, I’m pointing out that he traded a subserviant role with people who ruthlessly controlled others for a somewhat higher role in the food chain with people who still desire to control others, but who are somewhat more subtle and circumspect in how they approach it. Funny how you cannot seem to appreaciate real nuance when it does a strip tease in front of you.

  45. However, by staying in character, he thumbed his nose at the GOP quite beautifully. Without ever having to say it explicitly, he called them xenophobic racists. WILD!

    Oh yes. He’s subtle. Like a bull in China shop.

    What was this “teachable moment’s” real lesson?
    That the economy is in shambles, and the Dems who are in control are not addressing tax cuts, opting instead to have comedians testify before them, and John Conyers won’t miss an opportunity to show the nation that he truely does represent the open sewer that people like him and his felon wife have reduced a once-proud city to, without regard to the hundreds of thousands of dollars that this pathetic display of self gratification cost. Please. Continue.

    And then, the cherry on the sundae was when he answered the final question with dead seriousness … that he was brought up to believe we should defend the least of us … that we ask these people to do our work and then in the same breath ask them to leave.

    “We” didn’t ask them to come here and “do our work”…a freudian slip on your part, or just sloppy phrasing? I know guys in construction who didn’t ask these people to come here illegally and start doing their work by underbidding them and taking food off their family’s tables. I know people who didn’t ask them to come here illegally and be nannies and domestic servants to the members of the political and chattering classes for pennies a day, making those jobs unavailable to Americans who WOULD do the work for a “fair wage”.

    He felt compelled to speak for those who have no rights.

    “No rights”? Do you actually believe this bullshit you type?
    Rutherford, right now, I have a client, a mexican, who is here legally, who is busting his ass following all the rules trying to make a restaurant that he purchased from his brother a successful concern. The orginal brother who started it was here illegally. (Nice guy, and NO, I didn’t turn him in.) That brother helped out an older gentleman who was also here illegally by giving him some food from time to time. The old guy tried to pay him back by doing little things around the restaurant. Owner tried to help from time to time with a little cash. Owner got very suddenly and abruptly deported. Another brother here legally bought the restaurant, and made a go of it for a few years, had nothing to do with the old man, sold it to my current client. Now the old man, with the help of a latino organization, and a public interest lawyer with nothing better to do than turn out voluminous pleadings, are suing claiming that he was an employee who was paid no more than 5K a year for three years and claiming close to a hundred grand in back wages and penalties, plus tens of thousands in attorneys fees.

    An illegal.

    Suing.

    In our courts.

    With a bullshit extortion shakedown case.

    I have clients. CITIZENS who have every right to have the courts help them to resolve disputes who constantly have their cases delayed, sometimes for years because the criminal trials have to be dispensed with in a speedy manner, and these overworked courts have civil motion and trial time as a precious finite resource, and we are allowing illegals to use them not to seek redress, but to shakedown citizens, and you want to pontificate about how these people are defenseless and need to have an unfunny comedian go to Congress and spend taxpayer time and money to testify in character on their behalf? Really?

    Sometimes, I find it difficult to believe that we are on the same planet.

  46. Oh boy this gets so old …. the tired welfare queen and king stereotype being trotted out again.

    I knew there was a reason I loved conservatives so …. it’s their compassion.

    Oh please. What gets really old is phony flacks from the left, who do nothing of their own accord, exemplifying their profound hypocrisy by not admitting most poverty is due to pathetic lifestyle choices. Your sanctimony stinks up the room. When you can demonstrate your generous spirit with practical application (like your own funds, for starters), let me know and I’ll apologize.

    The point I was making pencil neck is that America, you included, doesn’t know what poor really is and neither do I. If we were really poor, you wouldn’t see about 70% of the clientele morbidly obese at Walmart. I’ve seen lard asses at the homeless shelter I used to walk by on the way to work every day. They’ve got plenty to eat.

    Real poverty is starving. Real poverty is shanty towns. Real poverty is not owning a flat screen and an automobile.

  47. Hey Rutherford, since you’ve pissed me off this morning, let us talk about something than can easily be measured – say like reverse racism.

    So what excuse are you going to dredge up this time for Eric Holder and his practicing BLACK bigots? Did you watch any of Mr Coates accusing his agency of being unwilling to pursue racial discrimination cases on behalf of white voters? And this time, you can’t make the excuse of “he’s a Republican.” This is a former NAACP award winner and former ACLU type.

    “We had eyewitness testimony. We had videotape. One of them had a weapon. They were hurling racial slurs,” Coates said. “I’ve never been able to understand how anyone could accuse us of not having a basis of law in this case.”

    Can the Attorney General be racist if he’s black. I mean, now that has the position of POWER, does it not?

    I will tell you I’ve never seen a bumbling group of idiots try to run anything, much less a federal government. And these are your chosen people “R”. 🙂

  48. Looks like Rutherford has been sleeping with John Kerry. Same theme, different verse:

    A testy U.S. Sen. John F. Kerry yesterday blamed clueless voters with short attention spans for the uphill battle beleaguered Democrats are facing against Republicans across the nation.

    “We have an electorate that doesn’t always pay that much attention to what’s going on so people are influenced by a simple slogan rather than the facts or the truth or what’s happening,” Kerry told reporters after touring the Boston Medical Center yesterday.

    Yeah John, in contrast to the slogan profundity of “Yes, We Can!!!!”, peeing in the pants of teleprompter speeches with promises to calm the ocean tides, Styrofoam Greek Columns where Caesar Obama speaks and the mindless multitudes fawn, knowing their rent and gas money will no longer be their problem. 😈

    Welcome Libs to the illusion called Obama a Fraud. How’s that credit card balance panning out for you?

  49. Tex said: Real poverty is starving. Real poverty is shanty towns. Real poverty is not owning a flat screen and an automobile.

    You may be correct, Tex, tyhat we don’t have much “poverty” in this nation compared to true, third world poverty (although we do have some).

    I would suggest, though, that perception of poverty is based on the size of the gap between rich and poor as much as it is about what the poor actually have.

    Someone in poverty may have roof over their head and may have food to eat, but when they see a person a mile or so away living in a mansion in a gated community with six cars and 3 yachts spending more on dog food in a year than you spend to feed a family of six, it creates a sense of “have versus have not” that is socially destabilizing.

    Social instability might not matter to conservatives because, hey, if the poor get too uppity they can always be shot, right?

  50. Hippie, very true and well put – until the last sentence. 🙄 And that was the point I was trying to make – not run somebody on poverty thru the muck. Rutherford always assumes the worst. 🙂

    I have a story about a missionary friend of mine that taught me a great lesson. I”ll share it later and it will match what you said to a ‘T’.

  51. Guess that would be in poverty. 😳 Sorry, had to pick my daughter up at the airport on that last one and in big hurry…

  52. Howdy all. I’m new… just checking out the reads.. Interesting..

    Tex, I see you on Newsok.. and Gray knows me for years!

    I’m just a retired housewife..

    BTW, We are in a DEPRESSION.

  53. Someone in poverty may have roof over their head and may have food to eat,[and a cell phone, and cable television, and adequate clothing, and maybe even a washer and dryer and they may go to the movies once a month, and eat fast food regularly and….]when they see a person a mile or so away living in a mansion in a gated community with six cars and 3 yachts spending more on dog food in a year than you spend to feed a family of six, it creates a sense of “have versus have not” that is socially destabilizing.

    And why is that? Why are these people so devoid of virtue that they can live in the midst of enough to meet their needs and they are so consumed with envy that they feel the need to count someone else’s money rather than saving their own, and working to improve themselves and their own conditions? Hell, I’m humbled every time we get a story about some 80 or 90 year old lady who did laundry and maid work all their lives, lived in a modest home, with little in the way of amenities and dies leaving million dollar endowments to unversities.

    The only reason that this can be “socially destabilizing” is because of certain people who successfully created the illusion that a secular outlook is morally neutral and somehow superior to the one that prevailed pre-1949 in this country, and because of opportunist politicians who either do not understand the the concepts underlying our law and culture in this country (or worse yet, those who do) and have instilled their dependents with the ideas that they are defined by what they have, and that they don’t have everything because someone else has “cheated” them out of what is rightfully theirs simply because they draw breath. Because of this, we have a growing percentage of people in this country who incorrectly believe that government exists to create equality of condition rather than to protect equal rights.

    Social instability might not matter to conservatives because, hey, if the poor get too uppity they can always be shot, right?

    Hippie, again, this is where your woefully incomplete understanding of history leads you to say incredibly stupid things for someone who is supposed to be smart.

    One unalienable right is the right to property, and it is one of the rights that our government exists to protect. It has to, because without it, society would fall apart, or worse, fall into something resembling the old Soviet Union, where those in power do a fine job enriching themselves and living off the fruits of others labors (kind of like Congress currently does…can I refill that champagne glass for you Madame Speaker? No? Another Monte Cristo then?) then those who are governed are left to fend for themselves. The cruel and the depraved would soon control the flow of the remainder, siphoning off the best of the rest for themselves, and make a living off of selling what they did not use, and the poor would be more numerous, but hey, at least they would all be “equal”, right?

    The right to property (and yes, to accumulate wealth) is an incentive for society. Without it, you would never have the capital to finance manufacturing. You would not have an incentive for the brilliant to innovate if they could not control the product of their genius, and there would be no incentive for the capable to do the hard things that society needs to be healthy…not everyone becomes a doctor because they want to help people…its a shitload of work for a lot of years, and many people would avoid doing it if there were no reward. There is a reason why doctors in the Soviet Union were not held in high regard, and were mostly women. Why would Wozniak and Jobs tinker in the garage with circuit boards and programming languauges to “transform” computing if they didn’t thing that there would be some reward for it in the end?
    Why would a litigator bother with three years of additional schooling in the socratic method, a bar exam, and maybe years of just scraping by as he learns and refines his craft if he didn’t think there was some sort of payoff at some point? Hell, I didn’t need to go to law school in order to argue with people. I did that already without any training, and yes, I had seen enough abuses of government power that doing this meant that I could make it dificult (but not impossible) for government to do it to me, but I also did it with the belief that some day, I’d be able to pay off the crushing student loans, pay for my kids college, take two vacations a year, and not drive a 6 year old car. If it wasn’t the job of government to protect property rights, I sure as hell wouldn’t bother.

  54. I’ve just finished reading all the comments, and my own comment is: Rutherford, how can you bear this? I feel like I need to go take a shower. There is more name-calling here than I’ve seen since first grade.

  55. Rabbit,

    Fakename2 is appropriately labeled. I think the 2 means fake X two. Her sanctimony is the worst I’ve read – worse than Graychin.

    But be careful – her sensitivities are legendary and since she doesn’t receive traffic at her feckless blog, she feels it necessary to suggest to each Lib blogger to play fascist like she does.

    Fake likes the cliche “red letter day” as she uses in virtually every post. Real catchy. But I notice for all of Ms. Piety being offended, she keeps coming back with the generic comments of how sick we make her.

    Y

  56. Tex, that comment causes me to break my rule of not acknowledging your existence. I do so in order to say that you scare me. You are the angriest person I’ve ever encountered, and it would not surprise me at all to hear that you blew yourself up in front of some federal building or another.
    I do in fact allow traffic on my blog, you just haven’t tried. (But don’t try now.) What you did was cruise by and label it strange and irrelevant, after my first comment here. That’s the comment where you called me a “split-tail”. I’m still in shock that no one on this blog called you out on that. I’d be interested to hear why.

  57. Howdy all. I’m new… just checking out the reads.. Interesting..

    Welcome Black Swan. Noticed you over at Gray’s. Hope you enjoy the ride over here … it can be pretty bumpy. 🙂

  58. FN, hard as it may be to believe, there is nothing to fear about Tex. He has gotten the internet -bully thing down to a science. I’ve met few people as good at it as he is. I often compare him to Hannibal Lecter in “Silence of the Lambs”. He likes to find that Achilles heel where he can throw his dagger. I’ve seen a few people become outright apoplectic over it. (Aside to Tex, remember that blogger whose name I now forget whom you used to rag on mercilessly … who finally popped and went bat-sh*t crazy on you … I think right here on my blog? You even had a nickname for him. Damn, my memory is not what it used to be.)

    I will say this–the freedom to say whatever they wish does lead some of these people to reveal their true selves.

    And therein lies the primary reason I don’t edit comments, and don’t ban (with the exception of Elric who just pushed too many of my buttons at the same time). People live or die by their arguments. Ugly ad-hominem arguments die on the vine. Those that use them here, tend to give up after a while and actually start arguing with facts and logic-based opinions, even if I don’t agree with them. One can call someone an assh*le just so many times before it gets old …. even to the “insulter”.

  59. I’ve been messing around with some video software tonight. Old film of my parents set to the weird music of the Rabbit. My Mom is the one in yellow pants, my Dad the one with the beer mug and his pants hiked up to his chest. No clue who the other people are. The Rabbit himself makes a strange, guest star appearance in the end. Poor editing that might pass as premeditated artistic intent. Not that its exciting for anyone. Just kind of weird seeing them on you tube.

  60. You are the angriest person I’ve ever encountered, and it would not surprise me at all to hear that you blew yourself up in front of some federal building or another.

    😈 IT”S ANOTHER RED LETTER DAY!

    Darling “split-tail”, why would anybody call me out on that? Do you work in a federal building? If so, can I have the address, so if and when I decide to “off” myself, I can introduce myself first?

    You’ve got me confused Mohammed or somebody. I’m a lot of things – mischievous, blowhard, know-it-all, mouth. But Timothy McVeigh, I’m not. 😉

  61. Rabbit, I assume you’re the bare butted one? Strike that, I just saw your second comment.

    Your mom is pretty – she looks young in the movie.

  62. Rabbit the video is REALLY cool. What’s the song you used? It fits the vid perfectly … kind of a “family enjoying summer” video. At the risk of your giving me a virtual punch in the face, your Mom was a real cutie! I seriously assumed that was your older sister before I read your description.

    And folks …. take it from me because I know … if you wanna know what Rabbit looks like, combine his Mom and Dad’s face and you’ve got Rabbit. (I mean that in a good way.) 🙂

  63. Yeah, it’s weird….my mom was a pretty girl back then, wasn’t she. Poor kid, she has no idea she will one day give birth to 5 boys that will put her through hell and back.

    Inner city Detroit in the turbulent 60’s looked rather tranquil on that afternoon.

    My Dad’s beer looks so damn cold and yummy too.

  64. Okay Hippie, to verify the truth of your summation, minus the last ignorant paragraph (and you were doing so well to that point, I almost thought you had shed the veil of ignorance called Liberalism).

    My ex-neighbor and good friend goes on at least one Christian mission trip each year. The missionary groups shares fellowship, building sanctuaries, provide medicines and health care, food, etc…

    Mark’s first trip was to Africa, and I do not recall which country. These people of Africa were the definition of poverty. They walked two miles to get their water from a ‘filthy’ river. Their “church” was a building made of mud and brick with a small base of cement blocks. Their “choir” consisted of an old guitar and amp. Food was scarce and inconsistent in its serving. Like Mark said, “There were no fat Africans that I saw.” Mark explained to me that they were some of the happiest and friendliest people he had ever met. They knew little of the outside world and knew no one “rich” but their American acquaintances. They had no idea the material wealth of difference.

    Mark’s second trip was to Peru I think – a South American country for sure. While the people lived in shanty towns and would be called dirt poor by our standards, they still had a roof over their heads and generally enough to eat. They understood some about agriculture, a few were literate.

    But what they witnessed each and every day from their village was great wealth in the mountains. There was what I would loosely call a caste system, where a few hold great wealth and the masses are poor. There isn’t such thing as a middle class – at least, none Mark saw. The masses serve at the behest of the wealthy. Nonetheless, unlike Africa, the poor of South America knew what it looks like to be wealthy.

    Mark told me the people he served of Peru, though living in much better circumstances than the people of Africa, were miserable and bitter. They knew they could never reach that status and were without hope.

    There is a lesson to be learned. Call it ignorance is bliss, or perception is reality – whatever you want to call it. But when you said, “that perception of poverty is based on the size of the gap between rich and poor as much as it is about what the poor actually have” is obviously very true.

    That story taught me that the way we view our environment is based on not so much on the perception of what we do have, but what we don’t. And I agree, it is destabilizing and demoralizing..

    This conspicuous consumption of America is unhealthy as you suggest. I believe it is to blame for our current economic environment. Though I abhor the idea of this social justice you guys wish to invoke by fiat, I abhor even more the materialistic bent we American have adopted the past 50 or 60 years and the way we flaunt it. It’s both destructive and unhealthy.

    I’m old enough to remember when we had one small black and white TV and one car that barely ran about 40 years ago. But we weren’t poor and our neighborhood comfortable – we would have been called middle class. And I was probably far more content then than now, where my life in comparison would be considered luxurious.

    Look how much our standards have changed in our lifetimes! That is why I contend there is little or no real poverty in the U.S. But there is the perception of great poverty.

  65. D.R.,

    I meant to ask you last night how your little boy was. Kids are resilient – not so much the parents. 😉

    For some reason, I kept getting a “write error” last night from Word Press, or I would have asked you then.

  66. I’d like to chime in on the thread.
    Rutherford #48.
    I am far more tired of the liberal three monkeys thing regards welfare fraud,welfare entrapment and Great Society raping of a peoples than you are sick of the alleged “welfare queen” bit.I guarantee you that.
    Hippie #56

    Social instability might not matter to conservatives because, hey, if the poor get too uppity they can always be shot, right?

    History has shown that is exactly true and will be true always.The real instability stems more from folks like you who smugly encourage folks to envy and demand as opposed to earn and enjoy.
    I think I’ve recounted this story before and for much the same reason.
    I’ve seen “poor” people in the USA that indeed have cars,shelter,full fridges,health care covered,cable,Nintendo etc. These people are not what one should ever use to picture poverty as the only thing they are poor in is humility. they are scumbags,leeches and when you have a society that supports this behavior you have a society that will eventually fail.
    On the flip side I’ve seen true poverty in America and it isn’t pretty. It is sadly ignored though by all parties.Amongst these folks those I’ve seen devoted couples trying to do the right thing,individuals valiantly fight for life with some dignity.

  67. Tex said: Okay Hippie, to verify the truth of your summation, minus the last ignorant paragraph (and you were doing so well to that point, I almost thought you had shed the veil of ignorance called Liberalism).

    I had meant to put a smiley beside that line about the poor being shot – it was not meant as a serious comment.

    Tex – sometimes you amaze me (in a good way). I think you and are in close to perfect agreement with what you describe in #79. My travel in the “3rd world” has been limited but my observations match those of your friend. In fact, my observations in many ways helped inform my ideas on the subject.

    You are right to highlight conspicuous consumption. Just look at how many shows on TV bear the message “Hey – look at me – I have way more money than you ever will! It must suck to be you!!” I have never quite understood the allure of these shows – and I do suspect that they create misery in people who will never have that kind of money.

  68. Rutherford, I see your point. Perhaps I’m impatient. Some vines don’t wither fast enough 🙂
    Rabbit, thanks for the welcome relief! That was a lovely video! Soon you will be accused of having fun!
    And now, alas, back to business. I think Alfie has perhaps inadvertently revealed the true perspective of the right-wing. There are two groups of people in the U.S.: hard-working Americans, and “leeches” who want to take it all away.
    On a related note, I’ve seen it touted that conservatives are more philanthropic than liberals. Even if that is the case, going to a system of feudalism, where the master decides who lives and who dies, is not how we make public policy in this country, nor will it ever be. I’m strangely comforted knowing that my survival will not depend on the whims of rich people, whether it’s the Koch brothers, George Soros, or Bill Gates.

  69. I think Alfie has perhaps inadvertently revealed the true perspective of the right-wing. There are two groups of people in the U.S.: hard-working Americans, and “leeches” who want to take it all away.
    Alfie thinks you either have reading comprehension issues or you’re just stupid. You are definitely a liberal and every bit of what that means.
    I haven’t revealed anything about the “right wing” you paranoid possum. I stated a fact. there is absolutely nothing in my comment that should be taken as meaning the hard workers are anything other than Americans. blue collar/white collar. White ,black,brown,red,yellow whatever. Male or female. 20k or 20 mm.Likewise I haven’t said anything that should make someone believe that the leeches are not of every color and stripe.Also I definitely didn’t present that the leeches are trying or wanting “to take it all away”.I think its pretty clear that the leeches like their namesake latch on and suck up what is not theirs.
    fake…you have revealed something and its all about your ignorant partisan rhetoric .

  70. Tex…..I can’t believe how well he has taken it. He has not let the thigh high cast ruin is fun one bit. Totally has adapted and accepted life. It’s truly inspiring. He used to love to walk, now the poor guy crawls while dragging a club leg on the floor

  71. Wow, Alf. “Paranoid possum”? You and Tex should form a mutual admiration society, and reach deeply into your playground experiences to see which one of you can come up with the most irrelevant and insulting names you can call someone.
    You act as if I called you a racist, and I did not. Let’s phrase it this way: there are two groups of people. Leeches and non-leeches.
    I certainly have never tried to hide the fact that I’m a liberal, at least by the skewed definitions these days. As HP has said, conservatives have moved the bar over. There is no longer any such thing as a middle ground. There is more of a bunker mentality, a “you’re either with us or against us”.

  72. Rutherford, I see your point. Perhaps I’m impatient. Some vines don’t wither fast enough.

    Not terribly astute either. I don’t believe Rutherford was referring a vine withering. At least not this vine.

    Alfie, she’s nothing if not a false piety hack, and has been since her arrival. Your punishment will be to be referred to as 3rd party – truly gut wrenching. 😆

    To answer your first question about possum, the latter.

  73. D.R.

    Kind of along the same lines that Hippie and I were having about poverty, I think kids simply don’t know better than to whine. I always have contended little children and smart dogs are a lot alike. Lovable and have yet to figure out that handicaps mean nothing. Move forward and go on.

    You’ve got company. My wife once had to rush my baby daughter to the emergency room because while she was “wrestling” with daddy, her arm got caught and dislocated the joint. Easy fix, but dad felt like the lowest man in the world.

  74. I’ve noticed a recent trend with most libs I read on the net. The myth of the “moderate” Democrat. Journolist reopened under another name, sounds like. How the right-wing has taken over, when just last year they were calling the “wingnuts” all but dead.

    Since I don’t find that most libs are terribly perceptive or truthful, who are these so-called moderate Democrats that I’ve missed? Not a Senator with a ‘D’ voted against ObamaCare. And that’s what they call bipartisan.

  75. I haven’t called anyone a racist, but I will go so far as to say some of you (and you know who you are) are sexist. Rutherford is a liberal, and I don’t see anyone calling him a paranoid possum. That would be wise, since it’s his blog and you are here by his leave. HP is a liberal, and he is accused of being wrong, but a nice guy. And me? Hello. What is the difference between me and Rutherford and HP? Hmmm.
    In real life, I’m not exposed to this kind of vilification. I’m not sure how it advances your arguments to dismiss my opinions and intelligence. In my view, it makes you look as if you’re incapable of actually responding. That’s how it works on the playground. You can’t think of a response, so you say “You’re a toad!” “Am not!”. “Are!” And so on.
    If you can’t grasp how being called a split-tail might offend someone, Tex, ask your wife. Better yet, ask yourself how you would feel if someone else called her that.

  76. Fake,

    There are many things about my wife in comparison to you that I am sure would be different, besides their opinion of me. 🙂

    One, she’s no misandrist which bleeds through most of your posts. I know now why liberal women are attracted to liberal women – the men leave something to be deserved in the bravery category. I understand that. Two, my wife is not imbalanced, much as I’m sure you’d like to believe that being married to a foul-mouthed lout like me. Three, she’s honest. Four, she’s completely apolitical and would find a woman like you both weak and whiny. Oh, she actually likes men.

    I won’t speak for Alfie as he is more than capable himself of defending his positions, but he gave you know reason to respond in the manner you did. I have. Perhaps you should reevaluate your personal shortcomings in judgment first before casting stones.

    But if it helps set you free having two daughters whom I love with all the world myself, it was inappropriate to refer to you as “split-tail” and yes, that is disrespectful to all women. I simply should have made it clear I don’t like your type as you did to me and left it at that.

  77. Tex, I believe this is a Red Letter Day. (I could barely type that for laughing.) But what I think you just did was apologize, and I imagine that was hard for you. I don’t want to discourage you from that, but the best way to keep from having to apologize is not to go there in the first place. As the cliche goes, if you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime.
    It was so hard for you that you were shaking my hand with one hand and slapping me in the face with the other. To wit:
    What “type” am I? I am not a “type”. I am a person. Working and struggling with many issues, as you are.
    You know nothing about me. It seems that you don’t like me because I’m not apolitical. You called me imbalanced, dishonest, and implied that I don’t like men. Where on earth did you come up with any of that? I suspect that in your heavy-handed way, you are trying to call me a lesbian. I am not, but if I were, I would be asking you “So what?”
    So speaking of bravery, you aren’t it. I know plenty of men and women who are truly brave in real life. Your idea of it is to trash people on the Internet that you don’t even know. I think you are scared and weak and clueless.

  78. I haven’t paid attention to the gender of those that comment but now see the error of my ways. Apparently Title IX has come to blogging.
    I’ve laid down a couple of very deep and pointed charges on Rutherford since I’ve “known” him and that has occurred due to engaging opposites in dialog.
    I had a charged exchange with Hippie as well. I questioned his honesty and integrity and obviously he didn’t take it well. the ensuing discussion was enlightening.
    So you see I’m not playing favorites. I’d also add that if calling you paranoid is so beyond the pale in your view you’ve got some serious issues.
    What you said rang clear in my ears. If I over reached oh well. I don’t think I did since not only have you failed to defend your charge you’ve not denied mine.
    As for anyone being here by Rutherfords graces. If it wasn’t for the right of center folks engaging him AND HEARING HIM OUT he wouldn’t have much of a blog.

  79. Fake,

    Now if memory serves, our resident man hatin’ feminist referred to me as a “Troll”, 3rd party of course, at our first encounter. I know you would like the world to think me an ogre and you the saint, but I generally do have a reason for believing and responding to you as a really strange person, a scold, a nag, a worm, a harpy, and probably not terribly bright. I think you misread my apology as weakness. Tsk tsk…

    I hope you did enjoy your first and last apology from me as you’ve proven unworthy of another. Mark it up as another Red Letter Day!

    Now, perhaps you should show your ample “manhood” and apologize to Alfie, but then again he’s not fragile like you so he doesn’t require one. Obviously, you weren’t looking for a simple apology. You wanted me to grovel? Here’s a heads up and you can rest assured this rule holds in any venue as I once demonstrated to one of your ever scolding own and her lover in a corporate world. There are still a few men out there that aren’t going to tolerate the attempt of being belittled by some preening, pompous, smug man hatin’ hag and wimp for boyfriend/girlfriend, hiding behind her supposed femininity. That I can more than guarantee you.

    Like your favorite cliche, what little I’ve read of you always carries the tinge of skirt victim hood with the code word being sexist. Everyone is sexist; every remark sexist if it doesn’t meet your approval.

    Perhaps one day, I hope to demonstrate to you or somebody like you how truly cowardly I really am when I decide to play the role of “Father Tex” and knock a man hater into next week. Every true red blooded man who has worked in a career with shrews like you will secretly cheer. I promise.

    I’ll worry about the consequences later.

  80. Alfie, I confess that I had to laugh at the “Title IX” comment. But I’m pretty sure this is a men-only blog; women need not apply. I don’t think that’s what Rutherford iintended, it’s just how it worked out. If it were me…buit it isn’t me, is it? If you went away and started your own blog, and took all your like-minded friends with you, I think Rutherford would survive. Probably would be relieved to have reasonable discussions, instead of being hijacked.

  81. If you went away and started your own blog, and took all your like-minded friends with you, I think Rutherford would survive. Probably would be relieved to have reasonable discussions, instead of being hijacked.

    🙂 – I’ll let you have the benefit Alfie.

    You know Fake, there are several female posters at BiC’s, a more Conservative blog generally that Rutherford and Hippie frequently participate, that are not only welcome, but some of the more talented posters.

    They don’t have an acute case of Shrew Syndrome.

  82. Even if that is the case, going to a system of feudalism, where the master decides who lives and who dies, is not how we make public policy in this country, nor will it ever be.

    Of course not. Instead, we’ll have a cadre of bureaucrats in DC to dictate such things. But everyone will suffer under the same system (except for the political class and the self-styled elites, who will have a separate system, as they are obviously more equal than the rest of us) but I guess that’s the price we pay for fundamentally transforming our understanding of “equality”, right commerade?

    ————————————-
    You know Fake, there are several female posters at BiC’s, a more Conservative blog generally that Rutherford and Hippie frequently participate

    *cough* *cough*
    british understatement
    *cough* *cough*

  83. and took all your like-minded friends with you, I think Rutherford would survive. Probably would be relieved to have reasonable discussions, instead of being hijacked.

    A presumptive person, aren’t you?

    I don’t recall Rutherford ever genuinely bitching about it. Yes, he has lamented the fact that many of his lefty freinds have plenty of courage until they are actually faced with a challenge, as what frequently happens here, at which time he’s frequently left alone, defending the indefensible. I can appreciate that kind of loyalty to his principles, and if that were the only one of his virtues, I would respect him for that alone. (and thankfully, it isn’t)

    I understand that a discussion that doesn’t merely sound like a parrotting party for media matters/DNC/moron.org talking points probably doesn’t sound much like a “reasonable” discussion to someone with leftist leanings, but then, unlike the projectionist prevailing wisdom of conservatives being “lockstep with each other”, I generally find a more substantive discussion when dealing with people who actually have to discuss and defend their views, something I’ve never found when I donned the hazmat suits and ventured into the feverswamps of the KOStards or the Dummie Underground.

    However, if Rutherford were to complain of being hijacked, I could go elsewhere. Considering I rarely see you here, I’ll wait for his invitation, not yours.

  84. Hey…I’m new here. I must have missed the part where you were reasonable. It must be the atttude about hazmat suits and fever swamps and dummies hat caused me to think you were rigidly adhering to a set of beliefs that bears no realtionship to reality. You are arguing about how many Republlicans can dace on tthe head of a [in. If that’s what you think of as dialogue…well, then….

  85. Fake,

    I love to read your blog. After your comment, I went back and revisited. Did you spend anytime in the woods this weekend? 😈 So you believe in Obama, but not God? Liberal politics, but no Creator? I can certainly understand where you and I will never share a common bond (besides pets).

    But like you, I have suffered the loss of a beloved pet three times in nineteen months – the last one far and away the most difficult and painful, as I had never lost a young dog that I had grown to love.

    And your tribute was fitting and heartfelt. Not a dog owner alive, me included, that has had to euthanize a dog or had one killed like my last one that didn’t have their heart strings pulled reading your post. I am sorry for your loss.

    Job well done and it honored the best gift the God you don’t believe ever gave man – a beloved pet that loves unconditionally.

  86. Well BiW, I do have to admit that you argued from a…perspective, of sorts. Wrong, misguided, and selfish…but you do make a point.
    Unlike Tex. Note to Tex. Reread your last comment and ask yourself, again, how you would feel if someone said that about your wife or your daughters.

  87. Tex said: Since I don’t find that most libs are terribly perceptive or truthful, who are these so-called moderate Democrats that I’ve missed? Not a Senator with a ‘D’ voted against ObamaCare. And that’s what they call bipartisan.

    Not the final bill – but a lot of Senators with a “D” voted (in committee) against truly progressive legislation that would have included a public option, or at very least a not-for-profit option.

    Of course, Scott Brown is actually to the left of several Democratic senators – and yet I don’t see too many people calling him a RINO – he is too useful.

    Tell you what – lets make a straight trade – I will give you Ben Nelson in exchange for Scott Brown. That would make things a lot cleaner….

  88. Unlike Tex. Note to Tex. Reread your last comment and ask yourself, again, how you would feel if someone said that about your wife or your daughters.

    You act like you’re some kind of princess. I’ll bet you’re a lonely spinster whose needy, preachy hounding and fault finding has driven every man off that ever showed an interest to the hinderlands.

    My last comment was 90% about your beloved dog and flattering. I was just making note of your innuendo of Jack London – the brutally handsome part, woods and repeating your own words. Note to self: don’t say anything nice about a post. Who knows which part of which comment you are referring to (as he takes another bite of apple).\

    Quit hiding behind your insipid comments about gender and moral platitudes. Ewww….I need a shower after reading that. Ewwww…..Rutherford, I don’t know how you can take this. Ewwwwww…he insulted my moral superiority. **VOMIT**

    Cinderella, you come into some room, don’t even have the courtesy to address those lefty troll theories about those you personally attempt to insult, and the feign some horrid surprise and hurt when you get virtually punched back in the mouth. Is that some kind of joke or are you really that dumb?

    And you call BiC wrong, misguided and selfish? Good Lawd.

  89. Hippie,

    I don’t much care for Scott Brown and never did.

    I knew exactly what he is and what we were getting, except I did want that abortion for a healthcare plan stopped. I was just tickled Brown took Fat Teddy’s seat for spite. That evil, murdering SOB and the people that supported the corrupt Kennedy Klan that ran Boston for seventy years had that coming. Joe Sr. and George Soros were/are two peas in a pod.

    As far as Ben Nelson – I figure in about 25 months, Bulbous Ben becomes a “moot” point. He’s backpedaling so fast from his Obama votes, he pulled two hamstrings. He’ll be “retired” soon enough. Ben’s own state has disowned him – he can’t even go to a public restaurant anymore I understand, and Nebraska is one America’s friendliest states. They just have a real problem with lying scumbags masquerading as Conservative Democrats or Republicans. Ask Chuck Hagel, who saw the writing on the wall.

    I’m convinced that if America didn’t believe there was a high degree of probability that NobamaCare would be revoked, or you Bozos pushing “public option” had really gotten your way, there just might be open rebellion by now. You may think you control the game with your large majority, but you will find yourself sadly mistaken if you wish to keep pushing and Congress won’t protect you.

    I don’t think you and Rutherford have determined yet that about 2/3 of this nation is now figuratively war with your Progressive politics. You are quickly becoming persona non grata. And you guys are still dense enough to continue marching right into the tornado, thinking if you run even faster into it, you’ll get through the breeze. I’ve got my potato chips ready for the fiesta.

  90. Hippie, this just in which I found. Even Brown has his positive points:

    A day after Harvard University’s president said that it would reinstate a Reserve Officer Training Corps unit after the military’s “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy ends, Massachusetts’ newest U.S. senator blasted the university for not having already done so — at a time when its officials are pushing for a law that would help illegal immigrants attend college, The Boston Globe reported. “I am extremely disappointed to learn of Harvard University’s decision to continue to ban ROTC from its campus,’’ Senator Scott Brown, a Republican, said in a statement. “It is incomprehensible to me that Harvard does not allow ROTC to use its facilities, but welcomes students who are in this country illegally.’’ He added: “Harvard has its priorities upside down. They should embrace young people who want to serve their country, rather than promoting a plan that provides amnesty to students who are in this country illegally.’’ President Drew Gilpin Faust had said Wednesday that Harvard, like other institutions that ended ROTC units when the military began formally discriminating against gay people, would eagerly “regularize our relationship” with the armed forces when they end their policy that conflicts with Harvard’s nondiscrimination policies.

    A huge step up from the previous murdering schmuck. Mary Jo was unavailable for comment.

  91. Totally has adapted and accepted life.

    All I can say Rabbit, from experience is “I told you so.”

    When my daughter was on the way, some asked me “won’t it be tough for her to have a disabled father?” And I replied, “not particularly. It will be normal to her because it is what she will see every day. She won’t know any different. And by the time she figures out that most Daddy’s don’t look like me she’ll make the necessary mental adjustment.”

    We all greatly underestimate our ability to adapt to our environment. Don’t get me wrong … no one wants their kid to fracture his leg, but life does go on and kids, in particular, bounce back.

    Glad to hear Bronson is making a good go of it. Not surprised but glad to hear it anyway. 🙂

  92. They don’t have an acute case of Shrew Syndrome.

    LOL but some of them are about the craziest ladies I’m likely ever to meet. 🙂

    FN, for some odd reason Tex equates liberal woman with man-hater. I’ve never completely understood the connection. On his bad days, he’s included my wife among them … which of course means she hates me …. or likes me because I’m a wimpy Phil Donahue kinda guy. If she really liked men, she’d like real macho men like …. George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan. 😀 That’s on his bad days. On his good days, he readily admits it’s a wonder that either of our wives tolerate our sorry asses. 😆

  93. If it wasn’t for the right of center folks engaging him AND HEARING HIM OUT he wouldn’t have much of a blog.

    Well, my ego compels me to differ with you ever so slightly on this one Alfie.

    If it weren’t for the exchange with different minded individuals, I wouldn’t have much of a comments section. Every now and then I’m surprised when one of my friends tells me they read all my articles … because they NEVER comment so I assume they’ve forgotten about me. In fact I think some of us WP bloggers in particular are so used to vigorous comments sections that we forget that LOTS of folks just like to read and move on. They don’t want to comment.

    With that said …. yes, as I’ve said before, I do appreciate the to and fro. Blogging wouldn’t be the same without you guys and gals.

    P.S. FN …. I have had the pleasure of women commenting here from time to time. It is a very rough crowd and while it may make me sound sexist, I think the fairer sex gets scared off more easily. I would absolutely love having a gutsy liberal woman here to remind the conservatives how wrong they are. 😉 (P.S. my “radio” co-host is a woman btw.)

  94. I don’t think you and Rutherford have determined yet that about 2/3 of this nation is now figuratively war with your Progressive politics. You are quickly becoming persona non grata. And you guys are still dense enough to continue marching right into the tornado, thinking if you run even faster into it, you’ll get through the breeze. I’ve got my potato chips ready for the fiesta.

    No doubt you guys are going to win big in November, Tex. I have conceded that for weeks now.

    However, you are also misinterpreting your mandate. Voters on the right are really angry – but you haven’t permanently won over the soft middle. They aren’t polling as nearly as angry.

    Months ago you and argued about how to interpret the public’s negative reaction to HCR. I have maintained all along that a substantial portion of the displeasure is from people (like me) who believed that the bill didn’t go far enough. A recent AP poll shows I was indeed right.

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_HEALTH_CARE_POLL?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2010-09-25-15-04-14

  95. Hippie,

    I’m telling you as a former professional student who had access to all kinds of hospital and physician information …

    When people learn the specifics of ObamaCare, the bureaucracies it created, how fraught it will be with waste and inefficiencies, you’ll be puckering about it didn’t go far enough. That should take about five years.

    There’s going to be some serious ramifications with El Bongo’s plans, including cost control. And this time to my grave, I’m going to hang this lead weight around every lib’s neck every time news comes out about its corruption.

    You can quote me all the polls you want, but I’ve spoken to doctor and administrators that actually understand the bill. It is a nightmare, it will not work without substantial capital investment which nobody has. And I’m telling you that there will come a day when even a tin-foiled lib like you will be saying WTF.

    I’ll never get to hear it with my own ears, but it will happen. You mistakenly think you’re immune to these bubbles being in academia which has not suffered much during this downturn – Just remember who predicted the next big bubble to go “pop.”

    😉

  96. ” I have had the pleasure of women commenting here from time to time. It is a very rough crowd and while it may make me sound sexist, I think the fairer sex gets scared off more easily.”

    Lol, Rutherford. Perhaps “scared off” is not exactly the right characterization. Perhaps it’s “disgusted” Perhaps they question their judgement (“Do I need this abuse?”), as am I 🙂 I do like your posts, however, which is why HP referred me to you.

    Some of the insults are quite amazing. Let’s take this one for example:
    “Perhaps one day, I hope to demonstrate to you or somebody like you how truly cowardly I really am when I decide to play the role of “Father Tex” and knock a man hater into next week. Every true red blooded man who has worked in a career with shrews like you will secretly cheer. I promise.”

    Seriously. That is nuts.

  97. Princess Fake,

    Did you like that one? 😆 It sent a tingle up my leg thinking about it. You and Joy Behar. I’d make her ample buttocks jello shake for a week with a forearm shiver.

  98. Princess,

    I do have a serious question. What exactly is your purpose of what you would call participation on a blog, besides to scold, feign offense, of course criticize?

    I never see you leave anything of substance, or facts, or refute data or truth, or anything of that regard. Do you travel around and simply to read and find icky things?

  99. Tex said: I do have a serious question. What exactly is your purpose of what you would call participation on a blog, besides to scold, feign offense, of course criticize?

    Wow – there is the pot dissing’ the kettle…..

  100. Last week, we had a reasonably deep discussion of economics at your feckless blog, and I was respectful since you’re in such a funk over you beloved self-serving politics. I need to set to memory that the next time I find you in that state of mind, to use the opportunity to push a depressed lemming like you over the cliff.

    You want to show me an example of Princess Possum’s posts of that regard fat man, because I haven’t seen one yet?

    That was actually a semi-serious question, because all I’ve read of Princess so far is a comment to exclusively lefty blog owners about how “she luvs” their writing, however her upstanding position, wish to censor, and profound sensitivities won’t allow her participation further.

    Why doesn’t she just send you a personal note and leave it at that?

  101. I have to agree on this, Gorilla. Oh – he was funny – but I don’t think this was the place for funny. Even on a purely tactical basis, all he did was give ammunition to the right.

    HP, since this stands as your summary judgment on Colbert, could you pop in on the next thread (devoted to Colbert) and elaborate a bit, particularly in light of the fact that I flesh out my argument better there than I did in this thread?

    Despite the fact that Tex is getting annoyed at you here for your defense of FN, he’s calling you an ally on the next thread. 😉

  102. Despite the fact that Tex is getting annoyed at you here for your defense of FN, he’s calling you an ally on the next thread. 😉

    R – as usual, I am late to realizing that a new thread is up. I will get over there this afternoon. Tex – seeing me as an ally? Another sign of the apocalypse….

  103. Tex said: Last week, we had a reasonably deep discussion of economics at your feckless blog, and I was respectful since you’re in such a funk over you beloved self-serving politics.

    Indeed Tex – I have regularly said that you and I have some good conversations. In fact, believe it or not, I have periodically defended you (to FN and others) because I believe, if one can ignore the anger, that you have interesting things to say. I have also told you repeatedly that the anger really detracts from the impact of your writings – and if you lost the anger you would be quite a gifted – perhaps even persuasive – writer.

    I have also seen FN make numerous solid and intelligent comments – so your suggestion that she is adding nothing to the conversation is equally misplaced.

  104. OK, this is a great example of the Dems we love.

    But, but, but…

    Red State has done a good look at this prick, here and here.

    R, et al, I look forward to your defense of this worthless sack of shit.

  105. Professor,

    that you have interesting things to say. I have also told you repeatedly that the anger really detracts from the impact of your writings – and if you lost the anger you would be quite a gifted – perhaps even persuasive – writer.

    Well, I appreciate the compliment and I’ll give it consideration.

    But if I lost the what you define as “anger”, then it wouldn’t be near as much fun for me either. 😉 Why do libs always call cynicism and a twisted sense of humor as anger? It’s been my experience it is Libs that are angry. There were days during the Bush years I might have been angry at your behavior – now I laugh at your expense.

    I have also seen FN make numerous solid and intelligent comments – so your suggestion that she is adding nothing to the conversation is equally misplaced.

    That may be so, but that was my question. Where? It ain’t been here.

  106. Gorilla,

    What am I not understanding? I see the lame limp dick taunting – he poured the cup of coffee.

    But why didn’t the Vet just smack the old punk’s ass? Was he disabled, or just mannerly?

    If the victim was a soldier and Vet and not handicapped, I have to assume he was still young and strong. Now I know most of you guys are far more disciplined that I am, but…

    I would have just shoved the old fart’s glasses up his ass, tried to drive his nasal septum thru his skull with a drop kick, and called it even. I don’t think prosecuting these assholes is practical – too many Lefty judges. Any Lib that would pull this stunt doesn’t need to be arrested. He needs the living shit kicked out him as a testament to his stupidity. Perhaps a Louisville to his gut?

  107. Hey Libs, why did you guys attend the socialist lovefest today in D.C.. Here’s a few of your brothers and sisters in arms Marxism.

    Since you couldn’t be there, I provided a video you can treasure. I’ll bet Tuna La Possum was there. 😉

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