The US Government: Just Another Fortune 500 Company

Yes, once again we Americans are faced with another “teachable moment” as Shirley Sherrod’s good name is dragged through the mud and then given a public cleansing. The lessons are many. Don’t jump to conclusions without proper research. Consider the source of the information you’re acting on. Perhaps even, be careful about confessing in public about past prejudices because your comments might be taken out of context.

Perhaps the saddest lesson is the one no one is discussing. The behavior of the United States government in the Sherrod fiasco is not unusual. All over this country, Fortune 500 companies layoff people at an alarming rate. Why do they do it? Are most of these people negligent in their jobs? No. These companies are looking at their share holders. Share holders love nothing more than a good layoff. It means fewer mouths to feed, and an improved bottom line. The fact that these companies haven’t had an innovative idea in the past ten years is beside the point. Waiting for quality company performance takes too long. Layoffs are the shorter path to profits.

If we look at the major players in the Sherrod incident, we see “corporations” acting quickly to please their share holders. Let’s start with the news media. The story was sexy. There was no way they were going to research it before running with it. Even the glaring name Breitbart, flashing a danger signal in red lights did not stop them. Only CNN had the decency to talk to Sherrod herself and get the story out correctly. Everyone else saw that profit motive, ratings, big money, and went to town on it.

The NAACP, mistakenly believing they had regained relevance with the Tea Party condemnation felt they had to scramble fast to satisfy its share holders: the media and the newly enraged conservative white population who were offended by the Tea Party assault. No time to go into their vaults and look at the speech in its entirety, a speech that had been delivered to their organization. Of everyone in the mix, they should have been the first to come to Ms. Sherrod’s defense but profit line, measured in the currency of reputation, had to be preserved.

Then we get to our bought and sold United States government where nothing happens without consideration for the shareholders: the voters, the lobbyists, the special interests. With the beer summit, ACORN, Van Jones and the New Black Panther Party easily visible in their rear view mirror, the White House had to make sure that this “racist black woman” got swept under the rug as quickly as possible. My wife asked me the other day, where was the human resources department (HR) in this decision to preemptively ask for Ms. Sherrod’s resignation? It doesn’t matter. You see in 2010, the HR department of the average big corporation stands by helplessly hoping the company doesn’t get sued. The companies execute their “resource actions” with soulless, clinical precision, with little if any concern for the impact on employees lives. The bottom line must be preserved! And that my friends is what the United States government did this week. With no concern for Ms. Sherrod’s reputation, much harder to regain than a job, they acted fast to fend off possible trouble with their share holders. Ms. Sherrod learned this week what so many employees across the country have learned. She is an expendable cog in the gears of a huge machine that exists largely for its own preservation and nothing more.

The latest conservative talking point is that our government is anti-big-business. Pure unadulterated bull crap. The United States government is big business.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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196 thoughts on “The US Government: Just Another Fortune 500 Company

  1. The analogy set forth promised to be a good one but then you failed. The Sherrod case does indeed shoe the US Govt to be like a Fortune rated company. The failure comes with looking at the capitalism aspect. Too bad.
    In reality in this case the US Govt. comes off as a private sector entity as do the NAACP,media,etc as it pertains to the irrational fear of any boogey man label. Be it racist,homophobe,commie,anti- immigrant etc the labels that sppok business has finally said BOO to the government.
    Of course when i say finally I also fail like you did. The truth is all the entities that so shined in this case have been at it for some time.

  2. While your criticism of government actions in this case is somewhat accurate (Sherrod is no saint either, though here she is a pawn; and the NAALCP has proven itself racist to the core), your analogy of U.S. Government to Big Business is not really inaccurate.

    This current regime is completely hostile to Big Business and in fact has demonized Big Business at every turn. And Big Business has returned the favor by simply hunkering down and not hiring adding to the falling favor of Obama.

    In fact, the reason your Dear Leader has not spoken is that it is the height of naivety to not recognize that the firing came directly from Obama. He and his legends of incompetents like Holder have opened up a nasty can of worms with these continual bogus charges of racism, and finally white America is calling these race pimps on it. Vilsack wouldn’t blow his nose without Obama’s permission.

    Like all good libs, given time they’ll cut off their nose to spite their face. I learned this lesson from Hippie when he started criticizing Big Business at his own blog, though academia is becoming more and more dependent upon corporate dollars. I thought to myself, this man must be the academic version of the prodigal son – a fool, no doubt.

    The fact that the U.S. Government has all of the faults of Corporate America with none of the benefits actually kind of refutes your undying support Rutherford for more of it, yet you still haven’t recognized that fact.

  3. A few comments….

    “Share holders love nothing more than a good layoff. It means fewer mouths to feed, and an improved bottom line.”

    This is BS. You can’t lay off so many that production and/or sales (GM dealers, hello) declines below the level of demand because that will send your customers to your competitors when you can’t meet production needs. Any investor or company manager with a shred of sense knows that.

    “The fact that these companies haven’t had an innovative idea in the past ten years is beside the point”

    I guess someone hasn’t heard of things like an iPod. How about 3G?

    There have been all kinds of innovations in electronics and communications in the last decade. Companies must stay innovative or die out. Again, any investor or company manager with a shred of sense knows that.

    “If we look at the major players in the Sherrod incident, we see “corporations” acting quickly to please their share holders. Let’s start with the news media….”

    This is an industry, not a corporation. And some of us have been screaming about that industry being too beholdened to investors and advertisers for quite a while now. Welcome to the fold.

    “Only CNN had the decency to talk to Sherrod herself and get the story out correctly. ”

    That’s because she refuses to appear on Fox News. Who, incidently, did not mention her name even once until after she had resigned.

    The NAACP has proven once again what a joke it is. As if protesting that “black hole” is a racist term wasn’t enough, now they are turning on their own.

    “With the beer summit, ACORN, Van Jones and the New Black Panther Party easily visible in their rear view mirror, the White House had to make sure that this “racist black woman” got swept under the rug as quickly as possible. ”

    This goes to the heart of what some of us have been saying for years, now. Obama is not a leader. He does not act—he reacts. To use his own words, he acts stupidly.

    “The latest conservative talking point is that our government is anti-big-business. Pure unadulterated bull crap. The United States government is big business.”

    You are sooo close to seeing the light, Rutherford. You see, both ideas are correct.

    Our government hates big business because our government is big business. It has put itself into positions where big business is now a direct competitor. That’s why it doesn’t care if it taxes them into oblivion. If some of them fold, oh well. If some of those are too big to fail, just take them over. Either way, a competitor is absorbed. And that cycle won’t stop until it kills capitalism as we know it…or until we, the American public, elect (literally) to stop it.

    We have been telling you all of this stuff for years, now.

  4. From the Twitter feed:

    “The Sherrod fiasco: Obama needs to say something. Where the hell is Obama?”

    I’d start my search at the local golf course.

  5. Time for the “soulless” electorate to layoff Obama, preferably without “any concern for the impact on [his personal life].”

  6. Yes, once again we Americans are faced with another “teachable moment” as Shirley Sherrod’s good name is dragged through the mud and then given a public cleansing.

    Good name? Listen, absolutely, she was taken out of context on the racism bit, but listening to the entire tape still shows her to be a class warfare populist. And while her racism may have been taken out of context, it wasn’t out of context when she called the GOP and anyone opposing Obama racist. Tell me, is that racist or just stupid comment?

    Perhaps the saddest lesson is the one no one is discussing. The behavior of the United States government in the Sherrod fiasco is not unusual. All over this country, Fortune 500 companies layoff people at an alarming rate. Why do they do it? Are most of these people negligent in their jobs? No.

    And the jade comes out. There is no comparison between Sherrod and corporate layoffs. She was asked to resign for cause, not for some cost saving effort.

    These companies are looking at their share holders. Share holders love nothing more than a good layoff. It means fewer mouths to feed, and an improved bottom line. The fact that these companies haven’t had an innovative idea in the past ten years is beside the point. Waiting for quality company performance takes too long. Layoffs are the shorter path to profits.

    This is one of your dumbest comments. Fewer mouths to feed? It also tends to mean less production, it also scares investors, and it’s a PR hit. Innovative ideas? You’re going to have to back this up with some fact. And besides, if what you say is true, then shouldn’t they get rid of folks since they’re not adding anything?

    If we look at the major players in the Sherrod incident, we see “corporations” acting quickly to please their share holders. Let’s start with the news media. The story was sexy. There was no way they were going to research it before running with it. Even the glaring name Breitbart, flashing a danger signal in red lights did not stop them. Only CNN had the decency to talk to Sherrod herself and get the story out correctly. Everyone else saw that profit motive, ratings, big money, and went to town on it.

    Actually, Fox’s Megan Kelly spoke to her too. And Glenn Beck was the first to her defense

    The NAACP, mistakenly believing they had regained relevance with the Tea Party condemnation felt they had to scramble fast to satisfy its share holders: the media and the newly enraged conservative white population who were offended by the Tea Party assault. No time to go into their vaults and look at the speech in its entirety, a speech that had been delivered to their organization. Of everyone in the mix, they should have been the first to come to Ms. Sherrod’s defense but profit line, measured in the currency of reputation, had to be preserved.

    Couldn’t agree more, but why stop there? Mind you, this guy is a professor of African studies…

    Clapping? Really? Clapping? In all fairness to Howard University, they did repudiate his comments… eventually…

    Then there was the King…

    Still haven’t heard anything from the NAACP on this one either.

    What does that say about a group supposedly focused on eliminating prejudice and racism? Should we not expect that they would have something to say? And when they pushed their little summer camp special last week calling the Tea Party racist, we see this…

    Tell me, are you black enough?

    Then we get to our bought and sold United States government where nothing happens without consideration for the shareholders: the voters, the lobbyists, the special interests. With the beer summit, ACORN, Van Jones and the New Black Panther Party easily visible in their rear view mirror, the White House had to make sure that this “racist black woman” got swept under the rug as quickly as possible. My wife asked me the other day, where was the human resources department (HR) in this decision to preemptively ask for Ms. Sherrod’s resignation? It doesn’t matter. You see in 2010, the HR department of the average big corporation stands by helplessly hoping the company doesn’t get sued. The companies execute their “resource actions” with soulless, clinical precision, with little if any concern for the impact on employees lives. The bottom line must be preserved! And that my friends is what the United States government did this week. With no concern for Ms. Sherrod’s reputation, much harder to regain than a job, they acted fast to fend off possible trouble with their share holders. Ms. Sherrod learned this week what so many employees across the country have learned. She is an expendable cog in the gears of a huge machine that exists largely for its own preservation and nothing more.

    Just a wee bit of hyperbole? Again, she was asked to resign for cause, not a numbers game.

  7. Bill O’Reilly apologizes to Sherrod for jumping the gun.

    On Wednesday, he said he should have gotten the full story first. “I owe Ms. Sherrod an apology for not doing my homework, for not putting her remarks into the proper context,” he said on “The O’Reilly Factor,” adding that his own words had been taken out of context by critics in the past. “I well understand the need for honest reporting.”

    Here I am still waiting for any liberal to even comment on the lies put forth by Think Progress concerning Tea Party racism, and we have big dogs on the right defending and apologizing to Sherrod for the lies put forth about her racism.

    And in case people don’t want to trust Hot Air saying Fox didn’t mention Sherrod until after she had resigned, maybe the LA Times will convince them…

    At an afternoon editorial meeting Monday, Clemente urged the staff to first get the facts and obtain comment from Sherrod before going on air, according to internal notes from the meeting that were provided to The Times. “Let’s make sure we do this right,” he said.

    Sherrod ended up resigning Monday afternoon, hours before O’Reilly broke the story on his show. The first reported piece on Fox News, by correspondent James Rosen, aired on Tuesday morning, and included a second video clip that added context to Sherrod’s comments.

    Fox News did not “dupe” anyone into shitting on Shirley Sherrod. They are owed an apology by everyone who accused them of such.

    And that can begin with the accusers that own and frequent this blog.

  8. Also in that LAT piece…

    “But Fox’s commentators showed less restraint.”

    Notice that “commentators” is plural. So who are these commentators?

    We don’t know, because it only mentions O’Reilly.

    Because they wouldn’t want to defend Fox News without ending on a low note.

  9. To Huck and BiW, Apple is not known for its layoffs. I’m sure they occur but companies that innovate and drive big profits through quality products don’t need to resort to massive layoffs.

    The point about the bottom limit of layoffs coming when production suffers, ignores the latest greatest solution — outsourcing. When you get laid off because your job is being done by an Indian or a Brazilian, it doesn’t make it any easier to pay your mortgage. It isn’t any less of a layoff. And production does not suffer. At least not on the surface …. dig underneath and you see Americans struggling to work with their foreign outsourced counterparts who don’t understand the business much less the language.

  10. From Charles Hurt in the NY Post:

    “But not to worry, the “take responsibility” administration is on the case.

    After blaming America, the media, Beltway politics, pop culture and the Department of Agriculture several times, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs was ready to take responsibility for this miscarriage of justice.

    “A disservice was done,” he said. “An apology was owed.”

    I wonder how a corporation like BP would’ve made out with an “apology” like that.

  11. your analogy of U.S. Government to Big Business is not really inaccurate.

    Tex you must be in a good mood today. Even when you’re saying you disagree with me, you accidentally said you agree with me. 😉

  12. Rutherford, your comments sound to me more like you view big business like it has the responiblities and obigations of the government — not the other way around.

    Gallup today reports an 11% confidence level for Congress. How would a board of directors (or management) fare among its shareholders with such a rating?

  13. “R” 😳 Shame on me. This was passed from a friend of mine. I’ll buy one to slap on my old truck if I can find one – it’s biblical, you know.

    Seen on a bumper sticker in slow moving traffic complete with Obama insignia: Pray for Obama. Psalms 109:8

    Psalms 109:8

    May his days be few; may another take his place of leadership.

    🙂

    > A friend was in slow-moving traffic the other day and the
    > car in front of
    > them had an Obama bumper sticker on it. It read: “Pray for
    >
    > Obama. Psalm 109:8”.
    >
    > Later they opened up the Scriptures & read it and
    > started laughing & laughing. It read—
    >
    > Psalm 109:8 “Let his days be few and brief; and let others
    > step forward to replace him.”

  14. Hey “R”,

    Speaking of hooligan racism, did you know Professor Hippie Pravda is now accusing my avatar morphing of ZerObama into Jimmah Carter as racist? 😆 I may have to join a Tea Party after all.

    Seems my gravatar is Jimmah Carter in black face. 😐 Maybe it’s like Joe Lieberman in black face which I’m sure Prof. Pravda found great humor.

    http://www.slate.com/id/2147139/

  15. I have been on vacation for the last 10 days and have had limited internet access – so I haven’t kept up with things here. I haven’t even caught up on my own blog yet – so it will be a while before I am back up to speed here.

    Here is quick post of interest just to rattle things a bit – sorry if it has already been posted:

    http://mediamatters.org/research/201007190047

    I enjoyed this too….

    http://blog.cagle.com/2010/07/22/conservative-blogger-andrew-breitbart-simpson-2/

    How are the righties here reacting to the revelation that Breibart, there seeming messiah, is a liar and a cheat?

  16. Speaking of hooligan racism, did you know Professor Hippie Pravda is now accusing my avatar morphing of ZerObama into Jimmah Carter as racist? 😆 I may have to join a Tea Party after all.

    Bullshit, Tex. I said I thought it was a photo of you with a good tan. You even told me the remark made you laugh out loud.

    sheesh…..

  17. Hippie, to answer your question, with the same outrage we have exhibited towards the liars and cheats you, Rutherford and G-chin rely on in you various and sundry claims of racism.

    Welcome back from whatever remote location has kept you from the goodies here. You are truly late to the game.

    I for one say Breitbart is a piece of shit for what he did. Care to denounce your liars and cheats? None of you lefties have so far.

  18. Tigre said: I for one say Breitbart is a piece of shit for what he did. Care to denounce your liars and cheats? None of you lefties have so far.

    I haven’t seen that kind of deliberate falsification of evidence from the left. If I do see it, I indeed denounce it.

  19. I haven’t seen that kind of deliberate falsification of evidence from the left.

    Deliberately editiing footage of an armed tea party rally attendee before discussing their racism comes to mind.

    Just a few days ago, Keef Overbite foamed at the mouth over a heavily edited clip of Rush Limbaugh to denounce his racism.

    “journalists” and academics conspiring to make the news rather than report it.

    I can go on.

  20. Hippie, you’re going to challenge us to find falsified evidence to support racism? Really?

    Let’s start with the gun-toting racist at the tea party. Let’s start a trend where you will call it out when it occurs. I’ll do the same. Deal?

    How about that memo offered by Rather?

  21. I understand Think Progress put out a b.s. video to support the false claim of Tea Party racism. Can anyone locate that for Hippie?

  22. Now would be a great time for one of those trolling liberals to pop up and call the right out for race baiting.

    Beuller….Beuller….

  23. Hippie, you’re going to challenge us to find falsified evidence to support racism? Really?

    Tigre, using falsified evidence is a bad practice no matter who does it. It is also stupid because in the end it comes back to bite you in the ass. Breitbart has done more harm to the right than he ever did to help it.

    Just to be clear about this – I proactively reject any intentional use of falsified evidence by those on my side. Now – it has to be clear that the evidence has been falsified – but if it is clear I indeed condemn it.

    Yes – I condemned Rather at the time.

    I am not completely clear what you mean by a gun toting racist at a tea party – but if it was a clear case of falsified evidence – I will condemn it without even having to see it.

    BTW – what makes the Breitbart situation so juicy is that he had been worshiped by so many people on the right. Tex has regularly swooned over the guy on this very blog….

  24. Hippie, I have never swooned. But don’t you find it ironic that the WH and NAACP accepted it to trash the woamn and cover their own asses while Glen Beck called bullshit?

    Juicy indeed!

  25. But don’t you find it ironic that the WH and NAACP accepted it to trash the woamn and cover their own asses while Glen Beck called bullshit?

    I suspect that the WH (to the extent that they had a finger in the thing at all – so far that is unproven) was trying to avoid the kind of “viral accusation” we had over the Black Panther case. Obviously, had the tape turned out to be legitimate the White House would have been lambasted for allowing Sherrod to remain employed just as they were lambasted over the Panthers.

  26. Hippie, are you trying to shift blame for the WH’s conduct that it already apologized for? They made this woman pull over to the side of the road and resign on her blackberry because they wanted her out “before Glenn Beck went on the air.”

    Way to calls them likes you sees them there Hippie.

    So how about the videos Gorilla posted?

  27. HP, so, are you goping to comment on the two videos? I’d love an explanation.

    Gorilla, listening to Glen Beck turns my stomach – but I did it just for you….

    I obviously condemn the fact that the clip was taken out of context. It is a tactic neither side should use.

    Now, in all honesty, I only hear two tea party voices condemning the guy – I don’t see a whole mob turning on him and running him out of there – but I am willing to admit that there are some people in the tea party who condemn racists.

    Satisfied?

    Of course, Beck’s hyperbole in the rest of the clip is revolting a laughable at the same time….

  28. BTW again – Beck demonstrates that a couple of people call out the one KKK guy. He doesn’t say anything about the rest of that Think Progress video. Are you claiming that the rest of the video was faked too? If so – on what basis do you make that suggestion?

  29. Now, in all honesty, I only hear two tea party voices condemning the guy” — HP

    Let me play this one again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEAX1dHVeqo

    They’re calling him an Uncle Tom.

    In the Sherrod video, the NAACP audience is laughing at Sherrod admitting to have been racist.

    New Black Panther Party? And the condemnation was where?

    Really, some intellectual honesty on your part would be nice.

  30. The credibility of the video is gone. Period. Listen to you, you’ll throw Breitbart under the bus for the Sherrod video, sayingt hat this incident remove all of his credibility, but then push this line of thought? Are you serious?

  31. “”Fred Barnes, Karl Rove, who cares — and call them racists.”

    “What is necessary is to raise the cost on the right of going after the left. In other words, find a rightwinger’s [sic] and smash it through a plate-glass window. Take a snapshot of the bleeding mess and send it out in a Christmas card to let the right know that it needs to live in a state of constant fear. Obviously I mean this rhetorically.”

    -Ackerman on Journolist

  32. Bullshit, Tex. I said I thought it was a photo of you with a good tan. You even told me the remark made you laugh out loud.

    hippieprof Says:
    July 22, 2010 at 9:34 am | Reply

    Right….

    I suppose I could call you or Tex “Cracker” and then claim it was just because you liked to eat Ritz?

    If his choice of “Bongo” – a word which has specific African/Caribbean associations – wasn’t intentionally racist then I suggest Tex needs to be more careful in choosing nicknames.

    Sheesh – “Bongo” and “Blago” aren’t even particularly similar.

    You were saying again Professor Pimp? I’m a racist for using Bongo because of some African Caribbean ties? Assholes monitoring phonies like you going searching ways to be offended. 😈

    Let me tell you what you are fat man. You’re a race hustler, the opposite side of the coin of Jesse “Shakedown” Jackson. In his case looking to make a buck while smearing MLK’s blood on his shirt – you smearing the blood on you beer gut of some slave declaring yourself a white liberal sacrifice on the cross of piety. **BARF**

    Sanctimonious blowhards like you are a dime a dozen. You’re not fooling anybody but those liberal arts and soon to be food providers you teach.

    Take your sanctimony elsewhere pimp.

  33. Hippie, why are you attempting to justify rather than denounce as you said?

    I denounced the part that was obviously faked – though I noted that only two tea part voices were heard on the Beck video.

    On the basis of this you want me to denounce the entire video? That is illogical. Show me evidence that the rest is faked too and I will gladly denounce it.

    BTW – where is your evidence that the stolen emails from Journolist are being accurately reported?

  34. Breitbart did everybody a big favor. In 24 hours, he proved beyond a shadow of a doubt the NAALCP racist itself, the Tea Party charges bogus, the charges against FOX bullshit, proved Obama gutless and self-serving – who by the way is the very one who fired Sherrod and everyone knows it.

    Breitbart had held that video for three months. He’d had enough of the Tea Party racism bullshit and has now nailed every race hustling pimp in the Liberal party’s ass to the wall as phony and malicious race baiters.

    Hippie is just one of the waterboys.

    He beat you at your own game Hippie. Live with it.

  35. Tex – you have an amazing ability to quote out of context. Perhaps you should go work for Breitbart.

    You claimed I said your Obama-Carter morph was racist. I never said that. We even shared a good laugh over it.

    I did say that your use of “Bongo” was either racist or a really poor choice of nicknames because it obviously opens you up to a charge of racism. I stand by that. Which is it? Racist or dumb?

  36. Breitbart did everybody a big favor.

    Leave it to Tex to still support the asshole. It doesn’t surprise me – Tex has been jerking off to Breitbart for months now….. it is hard to let go of one’s love obsession….

  37. Damn right I support Breitbart Professor Pimp. I wish there were more like him to nail your sorry asses to the wall and expose your entire Journolist cocksucking party as the brainless bunch of group think frauds you are.

    Here’s my definition of racist Professor Pimp. Time for you to start calling out UNCLE…

    racistA statement of surrender during an argument. When two people or disputants are engaged in an acrimonious debate, the side that first says “Racist!” has conceded defeat. Synonymous with saying “Resign” during a chess game, or “Uncle” during a schoolyard fight. Originally, the term was meant to indicate that one side was accusing the other of being racist, but once it was noticed that people only resorted to this tactic when all other arguments had been exhausted, it acquired its new meaning of “indicating one’s own concession of defeat.”

    I love the smell of liberal desperation. And you reek of it.

  38. BTW – where is your evidence that the stolen emails from Journolist are being accurately reported?

    Where’s your evidence that it is not?

    So we line item denounce, huh?

    I guess you can’t denounce the Sharrod video. It wasn’t faked. It was only shortened.

    Please cut the shit.

  39. BTW – where is your evidence that the stolen emails from Journolist are being accurately reported?

    I haven’t heard one groveling lib of “Colluding Journolist” deny one thing. I’ve heard several lame apologies.

    If they aren’t accurate, why don’ t you ask your hero Nate to sue for libel?

  40. Oh, and the fact that she was fired before Fox ever uttered a word means nothing?

    That just makes me want to listen to Fox more. Who knew they were clairvoyant?

  41. Tex, this is about the point that Hippie will try to change the subject. . .

    Probably right Tigre. Hippies M.O. is to change the subject with another frivolous charge of racism, Rutherford’s to write another frivolous post, and Graychin Van Lumberjack simply vanishes from site until the storm clears.

    I actually think Rutherford’s style the one I most admire.

  42. Tex, this is about the point that Hippie will try to change the subject…

    Haha…. and what are you doing by making the claim that “Hippie will try to change the subject”?

    Ah – that would be changing the subject….

  43. I actually think Rutherford’s style the one I most admire.

    Yeah – but you have repeatedly said I have a better sense of humor than Rutherford…..

    😉

  44. Maureen Holland? 🙂 That’s room temperature IQ.

    I don’t blame Tucker Carlson for releasing snippets. I hope this carry on for weeks just to milk the glee of watching you guys burn with rage at getting caught red handed in all the accusations you’ve denied in the past. I’d do just like the Libs do – I’d hold the best right before the election. It’s way overdue to fight fire with fire.

    If any of this Journolist is not true, I dare any one of the Leftist flunkies to sue. And I predict there won’t be one suit.

    P.S. – Hippie, I don’t believe I’ve ever said you were funnier than Rutherford. I’ve said you’re one of the few libs with a sense of humor. Rutherford has got a good sense of humor too and remains one blog lib who I actually consider a friend.

  45. Sure, why not, though I would think that your only hope in this is that it waters down the damning revelations in it.

    We now have two instances- Rev. Wright and Sarah Palin- where journalists (not pundits) were coordinating and opining on how they could spin the direction of the stories.

    Every one of those supossed ‘journalists’ on that journolist should be summarily fired by their respective news organizations. People don’t trust the press as it is, and they’re voting with their wallets. Do you really think this will help in bringing back trust in their reputations?

  46. “Can someone again explain to me how Fox is responsible for Sherrod’s firing?”

    That’s gonna be pretty difficult to prove considering it has already been proven that Fox News did not mention the story until after she was canned.

    I mentioned that about 55 comments ago. Notice how much attention the Fox-haters have given it.

  47. HippieProf, the link I gave you over at Alfie’s shows more proof concerning that Think Progress video than just a comparison of those 2 videos. It shows proof that at least 4 (if I recall correctly) of the supposed racists shown have been edited in.

    If you can still give a shred of defense to Think Progress after seeing this proof, then you are in deep denial of the truth and might want to consider seeking professional help.

  48. Where’s G-chin? I see he keeps checkin’ the thread, but no comments.

    Hippie, I have to admit: you are willing to engage when backed into a corner more than G-chin and Rutherford. I still await admitting when your wrong rather than resorting to deflection and feigned ignorance.

    For the record, I have never been wrong. Never.

    Seriously. There’s almost no depths (you three) will go to collectively deny the obvious. But humor is a valuable currency when it comes to these threads. That you have.

    Rutherford, why the one-sided twitters as opposed to meaningful commentary on your own posts?

  49. I’m starting to think the lefties have run out of steam. Nearly 2 years of campaigning for Obama and another 1.5 defending him have taken its toll.

  50. So much for that whole “the buck stops with me” speech we heard when he had to pull Napolitano’s foot out of her mouth.

  51. Outside of advertising, quick notes about where the keg party is or the fucking weather, who in there right mind would retreat to Twitter if one is involved in the arena of political discourse?

    It’s a refuge of the simpleton. The bumper sticker. The blow hard.

    Yell quips and let them echo off other people screaming quips.

    It’s the crack cocaine of blogger-sphere.

    It’s the cave of an intellectually defeated man.

    I’ll try my hand at “tweeting”

    “Faux news!” (insert effeminate laughter while your fingers cover your small mouth)

    “Tea Baggers” (insert effeminate laughter while your fingers cover your small mouth)

  52. You forgot “Sarah Palin” (insert effeminate laughter while your fingers cover your small mouth)

  53. Maureen Holland? 🙂 That’s room temperature IQ.

    Moe is pretty sharp Tex – but I doubt you would be able to recognize that.

    However, I didn’t link her blog because of what she wrote herself. It was for the stuff she quoted there – particularly the quote from the Daily Caller reporter who had been a member of Journolist:

    “I joined Journolist… hoping to get an inside view of the left wing media conspiracy. And unfortunately all I found was a wonkish listserv of like-minded people discussing topics that interested them.”

    Of course Carlson will continue to release things bit-by-bit. That way he can quote out of context to his heart’s delight….

  54. Huck said: HippieProf, the link I gave you over at Alfie’s shows more proof concerning that Think Progress video than just a comparison of those 2 videos.

    Sorry – I missed that – I have now looked at it.

    Your link does show one very clear instance of “editing out of context” – the guy saying “Obama is too black” clearly wasn’t talking about his race. Think Progress most certainly should not have edited the video that way.

    Now – in the “expanded” video the guy does go on and make some really stupid, foolish statements – but not racist statements.

    As for the rest – I am still looking for evidence that the KKK guy (and others) were “driven out” of the tea party meeting. People are claiming that, but again all I have heard is two people confronting the guy.

    So – yeah – this does cause me to doubt Think Progress. I would hope that this incident has caused you (and other thinking people on the right) to doubt the words of Breitbart and his organization.

  55. Hippie, I hope this incident has taught those of you on the left what the effects are of a false claim of racism. It’s one that the right and groups perceived to dominated by whites (more recently the tea party) has been exposed to for some time. The response here is precisely the same as what has been demanded of whites faced with similar accusations of racism from the left. Immediate and unyielding retribution for the sake of political correctness and before learning all of the facts.

    The lesson here my politically correct friend, is really for the left. I wish you guys would reflect on its real significance rather than resorting to the cowardly cast-blame approach. There’s a reason why the whole incident really struck a nerve on your side. And it’s sure hard not to point an laugh at the turnabout.

  56. Hippie,

    I’ve picked on you enough this week, so I’ll try to be more civil, but you’re only denying the obvious.

    Moe is pretty sharp Tex – but I doubt you would be able to recognize that.

    Maureen Holland is a lonely old woman, misandrist and imbecile. Where you and I can disagree on most everything, at least your coherent enough that most the time I understand the basis of your argument. Maureen reminded me of the crazy, old Aunt. I didn’t care for her and never went back, believing she’s a useless loon about on par with Medea Benjamin. You ought to stick her back up in the attic, as she is an embarrassment to your cause.

    “I joined Journolist… hoping to get an inside view of the left wing media conspiracy. And unfortunately all I found was a wonkish listserv of like-minded people discussing topics that interested them.”

    I think you’re missing the entire premise of why your side has been busted. Of course Jounolist was really nothing more than a blog of like minded people – not much different that what you publish at your own blog – stuff that interests you and me that we debate. If some stranger were to come into your blog, unless the were interested in the subject matter, they would find most of our opinion boring and dull. However, within some of that taunting, joking, poking is some opinion of real seriousness.

    What Journolist is being ripped for as we speak is collusion amongst supposed objective and professional “journalists” – who denied every charge of their bias and have now been caught red-handed manipulating the match. They’re collaborating, one-sided hacks from virtually every national lefty forum who shared an agenda of getting Obama elected by any means necessary, including slandering the opposition with the most insidious of lies. They’ve now been proven as frauds and it will be interesting to see if any of them are finally scorned. As far as I’m concerned, they should all lose their jobs over this.

    It is one thing for a couple of schmoes like you and me to debate at The Hippie Professor and openly root for our side. But we are in no position to drive opinion or skew truth. The people at Journolist are paid to report truth. They are welcome to an opinion, but not in changing the narrative. The machinations which have always been suspected but never proven until now, have been fully exposed that there is indeed widespread liberal bias in the main stream media. Any fair minded person knew this, no matter the denial. But now with the help of the Daily Caller, there is no doubt.

    Of course Carlson will continue to release things bit-by-bit. That way he can quote out of context to his heart’s delight….

    How’s Carlson quoting out of context when he is using these shill journalists’ own posted emails as source? You can deny all you want, but this evidence clearly shows their intent to drive an agenda. They believed the ends justified the means, and there’s hundreds of personal documents to prove as much.

    As far as the bit-by-bit, absolutely. This is the game your side has played for at least forty years. Turnabout is now fair play – and the Left is deserving of its comeuppance and being exposed as hypocrites and liars.

  57. And speaking of apologies…

    Now that the left-wing blogosphere and Democratic media operatives Media Matters and Think Progress have found the Religion of Context when it comes to Shirley Sherrod …

    how about finally apologizing for the months long smear in 2009 that Census worker Bill Sparkman was killed by anti-government, Tea Party-affiliated, right-wing talk show inspired extremists. Think Progress, which is leading the charge on Sherrod, linked the Sparkman killing to Michele Bachmann’s concerns that the Census was too intrusive, and numerous left-wing bloggers did the same.

    There never was a shred of evidence to support the allegations, and it turned out that Sparkman committed suicide.

    And while we’re at it, how about some apologies for all the false allegations by Frank Rich, Paul Krugman, Charles Blow and numerous left-wing bloggers claiming that health care protesters were violent, and falsely linking the Tea Parties to the Amy Bishop shooting, the IRS Plane Crasher, the Fort Hood attack, and the Pentagon shooter.

    And while we’re at it, all the left-wing bloggers who called health care protesters thugs and a mob and astroturf and terrorists and Birthers and harassers and manufactured and frightening and vicious and “Karl Rove’s wet dream.”

    And while we’re at it, the Democratic Party and left-wing bloggers who have seized on a strategy of painting all political opponents as crazy.

    And while we’re at it, how about Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer apologizing for calling health care protesters “un-American”; and Harry Reid for comparing opposition to Obamacare to opposition to ending slavery; and Sheldon Whitehouse for invoking Kristallnacht and comparing health care opponents to white supremacists; and Alan Grayson and his groupies for saying Republicans wanted patients to die; and the Southern Poverty Law Center for serving as a tool of the Democratic Party by branding legitimate political opposition as racist.

    And while we’re at it, how about all those who have elevated the use of the race card to the central tool in the Democratic Party arsenal, thereby tearing at the fabric of this country (and ruining my Saturday nights).

    And while we’re at it, the Democratic base which thinks it’s a riot to make fun of Trig Palin.

    There are so many apologies needed. Shirley Sherrod is the least of them.

    http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2010/07/still-waiting-for-apologies.html

    In fairness to my pal Rutherford, there were a few of these he did apologize for – though the absolute lowest about Trig Palin, “R” remains strangely silent.

  58. “People are claiming that, but again all I have heard is two people confronting the guy.”

    I watched a video where the guy was what I felt was driven away by those 2 people. He was driven away to the extent that he was no longer in camera because of distance and automobiles. I suppose it is possible that he went back.

    But I think, whether he was driven away or not, the actual Tea Partiers who confronted him made it clear that he was not one of them and that his ideology was not welcomed. Do you not agree with that assessment?

    There is also a guy on the video talking near a little black boy. The video wants us to think he is talking bad about him, but we find out the boy is the man’s son.

    There is also a clip from a guy saying “go home wetbacks” that we learn is from a 2006 protest before the Tea Party ever existed.

    The entire video is pretty much a lie and worthy of the same level of digust and refutation as is Breitbart’s, if not more, because there is no way they can deny they are who editted it and what they intended with those edits.

    ” would hope that this incident has caused you (and other thinking people on the right) to doubt the words of Breitbart and his organization.”

    I can’t or won’t speak for anyone else, but as I have already shown, I was doubting the words of Breitbart before he released the Sherrod video. His claim that Farakhan had declared war on blacks was utterly ridiculous.

  59. WordPress is FUBAR. There are comments disappearing all over assorted blogs. I had 2 disappear from Graychin’s. Tex just had 1 disappear from Alfie’s. Now 2 or 3 here.

  60. I also suspect certain blogs and commenters are being pegged as spam,inappropriate etc.If this is happening that actually effects ones “travel” on the web,especially WP.
    I’m gonna delve into my sitemeter account and WP forums and see if i can find some things out.

  61. “If this is happening that actually effects ones “travel” on the web,especially WP.”

    Yeah, I have told them that before, and it needs to be stressed. And it goes for anyone, not just us. If it isn’t real spam don’t mark it as spam.

  62. Twitter comments:

    “LOL u remind me of my wife who tells me when Obama disappoints, “think of the alternative McCain or Palin”. You’re both right”

    Not that I’d have liked this one any better, but you did have another alternative.

    I would also like to remind your wife that Sarah Palin has never been a presidential candidate, and, as such, has never been an alternative to Obama.

    (I already know it’s a waste of time to remind you of that)

    “LOL that applies pre-screw up. Post-screw up, I think Vilsack did pretty well. Not much more he could do but resign himself”

    And he should not resign because….?

  63. I continue to be outraged at the corrupt collusion between the Dems and the ultimate cause of the 2008 economic meltdown.

    This is disgusting…

    When Government Invites Corruption

    A probe by Rep. Darrell Issa has now uncovered 173 sweetheart loans made by Countrywide Financial Corp. to 42 Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac executives. As is too often the case, it’s a regulatory problem.
    Of the 173 loans, 150 were made to borrowers who identified themselves as employees of Fannie Mae.

    Loan recipients from the institution include Jamie Gorelick, a former vice chair of Fannie Mae; James Johnson, former chairman and CEO of Fannie Mae; Daniel Mudd, a former Fannie Mae president and CEO; and Franklin Raines, former Fannie Mae chairman and CEO.

    Issa, ranking member of the Oversight and Government Reform Committee, believes the Countrywide loans made to Fannie Mae employees are incidents of “preferential treatment to individuals positioned to advance the company’s interest.”

    Despite the lack of outrage in Washington over the behavior of Countrywide, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the loans are no trivial matter. The Fannie Mae employees who took the deals, Issa wrote, might have “violated the company’s code of conduct” and could also be guilty of criminal acts.

  64. Some fun reading…

    Journolist Greatest List…So Far…

    Dave Weigel, formerly of the Washington post, reacting to “ACORN Ratf*cker, James O’Keefe’s arrest:
    Weigel’s response: “HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.”

    “Deep breath.”

    “HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHA.”

    “He’s either going to get a radio talk show or start a prison ministry. That’s was successful conservative ratf*ckers do for their second acts,” Weigel wrote, likely alluding to Nixon aide Charles Colson who converted to Christianity after a stint in prison for obstruction of justice and founded Prison Fellowship.

    Weigel on Matt Drudge:
    This would be a vastly better world to live in if Matt Drudge decided to handle his emotional problems more responsibly, and set himself on fire.

    Spencer Ackerman, of Wired: On how to deal with the Rev. Wright controversy:
    What is necessary is to raise the cost on the right of going after the left. In other words, find a rightwinger’s [sic] and smash it through a plate-glass window. Take a snapshot of the bleeding mess and send it out in a Christmas card to let the right know that it needs to live in a state of constant fear. Obviously I mean this rhetorically.

    If the right forces us all to either defend Wright or tear him down, no matter what we choose, we lose the game they’ve put upon us. Instead, take one of them — Fred Barnes, Karl Rove, who cares — and call them racists. Ask: why do they have such a deep-seated problem with a black politician who unites the country? What lurks behind those problems? This makes *them* sputter with rage, which in turn leads to overreaction and self-destruction.

    Chris Hayes, The Nation on Wright:
    “I’m not saying we should all rush en masse to defend Wright. If you don’t think he’s worthy of defense, don’t defend him! What I’m saying is that there is no earthly reason to use our various platforms to discuss what about Wright we find objectionable,” Hayes said.

    Jonathan Zasloff, a law professor at UCLA on yanking Fox News off the air:
    “I hate to open this can of worms,” he wrote, “but is there any reason why the FCC couldn’t simply pull their broadcasting permit once it expires?”

    Sarah Spitz NPR on her wish that Rush Limbaugh would die of a heart attack:
    Spitz wrote that she would “Laugh loudly like a maniac and watch his eyes bug out” as Limbaugh writhed in torment.

    In boasting that she would gleefully watch a man die in front of her eyes, Spitz seemed to shock even herself. “I never knew I had this much hate in me,” she wrote. “But he deserves it.”

    Josh Berman, LA Weekly on Obama’s 2008 victory:
    11 months ago I burst into tears by myself on a plane while watching Hardball when my mind wandered to the image of President Obama being sworn in. I’ve been fighting it ever since.

    A triumphant Spencer Ackerman
    Let’s just throw Ledeen against a wall. Or, pace Dr. Alterman, throw him through a plate glass window. I’ll bet a little spot of violence would shut him right the f*ck up, as with most bullies.

  65. Call me crazy, but I actually believe Obama was being honest during those debates with McCain on foreign policy.

    I actually believe he really thought that the problem was Bush and not North Korea.

    God, would I love to sit Obama down and watch him, watch himself during those debates, just to see his facial reaction now.

    Warm and fuzzies….the guy actually pretty much told us warm and fuzzies would work.

    Iran
    North Korea
    Burma

    All of them have become emboldened.

    China, Russia….even less helpful now days.

  66. Along the line of the Journolist. We’ve known it for how long now, but it is funny to watch these morons cry…

    HP, you saying what about collusion again? I want to hear you discount liberal bias in the media. It makes me laugh…

  67. Gorilla,

    What’s worse for Nutroots, of which Dr. Hippie “Pravda” and Graychin Van Lumberjack should be charter members, is they are now so irrelevant, they’ve grabbed the worst rated loser from the lowest rated cable broadcast as their feature speaker. 😈

    And Shirley Sherrod is a racist. 90% of her speech to the NAACP was political racism to the core.

  68. One thing Conservatives.

    We’ve had a good time at the expense of our weak sisters with exposed institutionalize racism, MSNBC sinking like a rock, Journolist proving biased, etc…

    But don’t forget to remind yourself and your friends of the continuing failure of Obama. The rest of these are fringe issues. These bozos we debate want us to take our eye off the ball of the bigger picture.

    The Left is now desperate. They have given up on implementing their ideas, record, and economy. They have failed miserably. Make sure to keep that in the back of your mind as their party starts to implode and don’t take the foot off the pedal.

  69. “Shirley Sherrod, who didn’t know who Andrew Breitbart was 72 hours ago, now knows him well enough to say that he wants to put all blacks back into slavery. If I were David Axelrod, I’d be calling this woman and beg her to stop talking.” – Instapundit

    Did somebody call this woman Mother Theresa? 😆

    Damn, this is Louie Farrakhan in a pants outfit. 48 hours ago, I felt sorry for her. Now I think she deserves to be slapped and thrown back into her meaningless existence.

  70. Stupid-ass Breitbart should have known that her race card would trump his. He’s the reason anyone is listening to her.

    And now that he has done his damage to the conservative cause, his ass is running away to a supposed “long-planned” vacation.

    May I suggest you stay gone for longer than 3 days, Andy? I suggest a term of…forever.

    As for her, she’s just following the same meme we’ve been hearing lately—whitey wants to send blacks back to the plantation. (and none of that wasn’t meant to defend her)

  71. It would be fun to watch his feet dangle a half foot off the ground as I merely apply a simple head lock.

  72. It would be fun to watch his feet dangle a half foot off the ground as I merely apply a simple head lock.

    😆 😆 😆

    I don’t suppose there’s any hope of me asking you to squeeze a little harder? I’ve actually always wanted to see a lib’s head “really” explode?

  73. Here’s some more about Allen West, the man in the video linked above.

    It’s my understanding he is going to be in a tough race. So get the word out about this guy, because he sounds like someone who could have a bright future in American politics if given the chance.

  74. Twatter comment:

    “In a week of Shirley Sherrod, “Our World with Black Enterprise” covers sports stars. Show is completely irrelevant. ”

    Haven’t you heard, Rutherford? Sports is the new slavery.

  75. BiW … here is the precise problem over at The Hostages. You write a serious piece about race in America and quote me (thank you) and your boys at the Hostages crack wise that you’re long winded. I don’t see how you can take them very seriously. Then again, I guess you just go there for the sport of it. i just hate seeing you waste your talent on that audience.

    I haven’t looked at the comments you got at Nice Deb yet but I suspect they were more meaningful.

  76. Poor Barack. All those white racists he has surrounded himself with just don’t understand “the slave thing” enough to allow him to be effective on issues concerning race.

    So while things are certainly the fault of the administration, the fault actually lies with the racist white advisors within it.

  77. “Huck … amusing … I hardly think so considering what most sports figures make nowadays but then I guess that was your point in the first place.”

    So you haven’t heard.

    Take a look at comment #70.

  78. DR, the White House racism regarding Sherrod is explained above.

    Obama’s racist white advisors are to blame for it all.

  79. BiW … here is the precise problem over at The Hostages. You write a serious piece about race in America and quote me (thank you) and your boys at the Hostages crack wise that you’re long winded. I don’t see how you can take them very seriously. Then again, I guess you just go there for the sport of it. i just hate seeing you waste your talent on that audience.

    R, it’s because the place was meant to be a respite from the serious, not another place to dwell on it. There is no shortage of those. That said, each of us will occaissionally step outside of that unwritten rule and post something serious. Just because the comments don’t reflect an episode of the Mclaughlin Group doesn’t mean that the message didn’t get through 5 x 5, and the lack of comments taking elements of it to task indicate that no one found any reason to disagree with it. I have had the priviledge to meet many of them in person, R., and I have also participated in our various aid projects to one another. They are as good a group of people that you could hope to know, and the general tone tends to keep some of the more exceptional writing talents among our number (of which I am NOT one) humble.

    I haven’t looked at the comments you got at Nice Deb yet but I suspect they were more meaningful.

    Suprisingly, the comments were really light, at all three places. I had expected it to generate some controversy, and so far it has not.

  80. Tex…..if that article is true….I just don’t know what to say, man.

    That report claims the Obama administration actually had a hand in the welcome home party for that motherfucker???????

  81. Of course it’s true. If it wasn’t, Obama would quickly release the letter to get everyone to shut up about this before Glenn Beck talks about it.

    I understand he’s real reactionary like that.

  82. Here is what we were told last year:

    “I think if we ever thought we had a release, we probably would have asked for extradition early on.”

    And now we hear it was actually:

    “Nevertheless, if Scottish authorities come to the conclusion that Megrahi must be released from Scottish custody, the US position is that conditional release on compassionate grounds would be a far preferable alternative to prisoner transfer, which we strongly oppose.”

  83. Bongo caught lying red handed. This is an impeachable offense as far as I’m concerned…

    With all due respect to homosexuals, sometimes you guys can be so gay. And I’m referring to the gay stereotype of flamboyance and melodrama. Tex, impeachable? Get real.

    I’m in wait and see mode on this one. The problem … a big PR problem at the very least, is that the administration said they were surprised by the release when this so far unpublished “memo” indicates they knew about it in advance.

    As for humanitarian release vs prisoner swap … the admin might have felt the humanitarian angle would go over better with the American people. We are, if nothing else, incredibly compassionate. A prisoner swap might have appeared too political.

    Like I said … let’s wait and see what comes of this.

  84. Maureen Dowd is off her rocker. Someone on one of the morning shows correctly pointed out that if an entire organization of black people (the NAACP) got this wrong, how would one or two brothas hanging around the Oval Office have helped matters?

    I don’t usually watch Fox News Sunday but I happened to catch it yesterday and I cringed when Howard Dean launched his assault.. One thing you don’t do is launch an erroneous assault against the son of Mike Wallace. Mike taught his son well … Chris is no fool and he doesn’t suffer fools kindly.

    Not one of Howard’s better moments … but then you’ve never heard me say he’s the party’s savior to begin with.

  85. Oh by the way … while you guys gloat about Dean’s implosion, you’re kinda mum about Newt’s obvious hypocrisy as highlighted by that same Fox host, Chris Wallace. That’s one reason I respect Chris … he doesn’t let anyone off the hook. 😉

  86. Amazing how easily a lib and his President can dismiss 270 innocent lives being snuffed if it fits the liberal narrative of “compassion.” Forget about justice. Your selective sympathies are truly nauseating Rutherford.

    Would you like to explain your reasoning to remaining family members Rutherford when we find out the murderer lives free and healthy for another twenty years?

    I guess you won’t care then if I try to get the three thugs that murdered James Byrd off for compassionate reasons if one just happens to get prostate cancer?

    P.S. – Who is the smartest guy in the Democratic Party stable again? Charlie Rangel? I can think of several of us who are now in position to say, “I told you so…”

  87. “the admin might have felt the humanitarian angle would go over better with the American people”-R

    That’s your excuse? Obama was reflecting the will of the people?

    That the American people have been staying up late worrying about a Libyan terrorist’s family reunion?

    How many young people were on that plane?

    Wow….it’s getting “sensico” like up in here.

    how

  88. “As for humanitarian release vs prisoner swap … the admin might have felt the humanitarian angle would go over better with the American people.”

    Let me fix this for you, Rutherford.

    “As for humanitarian release vs prisoner swap … the admin might have felt the humanitarian angle would go over better with the American Muslim people.”

  89. All who poo-poo the Laffer Curve — the theory that raising taxes beyond a variable point results in less tax revenue because those being taxed seek more tax shelters— need to take note of John Kerry parking his yacht in Rhode Island to avoid higher taxes in MA.

    What Kerry is doing is the very essence of what Laffer says happens when taxes are raised too high.

    Any liberal armchair economists care to refute that?

  90. I’m in wait and see mode on this one. The problem … a big PR problem at the very least, is that the administration said they were surprised by the release when this so far unpublished “memo” indicates they knew about it in advance.” — R

    PR problem? You want another epiphany on the difference between the left and the right- the left is concerned with perception. I couold give two shits what the perception angle is, the fucker killed 228 Americans, the President should have been more concerned about being an advocate for them.

    I loath this man, and hold nothing short of odious contempt for Obama. He, and everyone in this administration, is a disgrace to this nation.

  91. Huck,

    This simply carries on the one constant in politics- dems don’t pay taxes. They’re raise the shit out of them and expect everyone else to pay them, but whether through crook or hook, dems don’t pay taxes.

    John Kerry (who served in Vietnam mind you) is just the latest in a long series of examples.

  92. Gorilla,

    I know that. But all of the liberals on this blog poo-poo the Laffer Curve because it doesn’t fit in with the liberal economic policies they try and defend, and I thought this specific example —being as fresh as it is — really shows them the effect Laffer is talking about.

  93. “the President should have been more concerned about being an advocate for them.”

    He isn’t interested in being an advocate for Americans. We are people to be apologized for, not advocated for.

  94. For the record … go back into old threads and you will see I wanted the Lockerbie bomber to rot in Scotland, cancer or no cancer. So save your outrage. The fact is there was very little our administration could have done to stop it. So the question is what role did they play and why. In a few days time after this “memo” gets more attention, we’ll have more answers.

    Now, take a little time out of your mourning for folks killed long ago and turn your attention to the boys and girls we are sending to die every day in Afghanistan. How you like the new info that reinforces what we feared all along? That Pakistan is working for the enemy … they are NOT our ally. Let’s have some outrage for Obama over the fact that he and his admin refuse to call Pakistan what it is … another two-faced thugocracy in a region totally out of control.

    OH …. one more thing … why do you guys get so bent out of shape when a lib hires a smart accountant but when conservatives do it, you have no problem? Believe me, when the tax breaks for the rich expire this year, the only rich people paying more taxes will be the dumb ones or the ones with dumb accountants. 😉

  95. Huck said: I know that. But all of the liberals on this blog poo-poo the Laffer Curve because it doesn’t fit in with the liberal economic policies they try and defend

    I poo poo the Laffer curve because it does wonders for the middle class in India but not for the middle class in the US. If reduced tax rates on the rich actually resulted in increased investment in US companies that in turn hired US employees – I am all for it. But, as we know, that isn’t what happens. We take all those tax savings and send it overseas as outsourced employment.

    Yes – Gorilla – I know that unions are partly to blame. I would hope, though, that you wouldn’t be advocating for the type of sweat-shop work conditions we saw a century ago in this country – and still see in those third world countries we outsource to.

  96. Who is the smartest guy in the Democratic Party stable again? Charlie Rangel? I can think of several of us who are now in position to say, “I told you so…”

    When did I call Charlie Rangel smart?

  97. In conjunction with the Laffer Curve which I do agree with and I believe has been proven time and again…

    …there’s the Tex Curve that says at some point, bleeding hearts, from either feelings of guilt, hypocrisy or trust babies, have accumulated so much wealth, that their immune to any tax structure – doesn’t matter what the top marginal tax rate.

    In addition, being their wealth already accumulated and their earnings not applicable to current tax law, or they simply have the means to hire clever tax accountants, lawyers, and financial planners to hide, defer, or misrepresent their amassed wealth, they have no business telling anybody about how the “rich” benefit.

    Warren Buffet is a prime example…

  98. We’re not talking about your perceived outrage Rutherford. We are talking about the outrage from a decision made with Obama’s blessing.

    And yes, I do find something that egregious – unlawful IMHO, to be an impeachable offense. Lord knows this charlatan’s accumulations of one bad decision after another attribute to my disdain for his entire and lying/corrupt administration.

    I do not disagree with you about Afghanistan…

  99. “Believe me, when the tax breaks for the rich expire this year, the only rich people paying more taxes will be the dumb ones or the ones with dumb accountants.”

    We do believe you, Rutherford. That’s why we have been telling you all this time about the Laffer Curve that says THE EXACT SAME THING.

    Welcome.

    “I poo poo the Laffer curve because it does wonders for the middle class in India but not for the middle class in the US. If reduced tax rates on the rich actually resulted in increased investment in US companies that in turn hired US employees – I am all for it. But, as we know, that isn’t what happens. We take all those tax savings and send it overseas as outsourced employment.”

    You’re trying to insert oranges into my argument about apples.

    The Laffer Curve deals with tax revenues, not job creation. Many use Laffer in their arguments concerning job creation, but that is not the point the Curve tries to make.

    Again, its only point is that if taxes are raised beyond a certain point (that constantly moves) then tax revenues will decrease rather than increase as taxpayers use more methods of sheltering themselves from taxes. And the actions of John Kerry prove that.

    Would anyone care to refute that?

  100. Rutherford, based on your quote above, can we assume that you agree, then, that raising taxes on the wealthy will not result in the tax revenue needed to pay for the recent liberal spending policies?

    If so, would you then agree that we, perhaps, need to rethink enacting similar policies in the future, and maybe repealing some while there is still time, until we are more confident we have a plan to actually pay for them?

  101. Huck said: The Laffer Curve deals with tax revenues, not job creation.

    Ummm… Huck… you are missing the whole point of the Laffer curve and its place in supply-side economics. The argument goes that tax cuts for the rich result in economic expansion because the rich spend and reinvest the taxes they save. That is how you get the supposed tax multiplier. But, you don’t get the tax multiplier if the rich invest and/or buy from other countries.

    If the rich don’t invest their tax break in the US economy, all the tax cuts do is serve as a handout to the rich. That makes the rich very happy – but the rest of us – not so much. It is also demonstrably what has occurred with the Bush-Reagan tax cuts.

  102. OH …. one more thing … why do you guys get so bent out of shape when a lib hires a smart accountant but when conservatives do it, you have no problem? Believe me, when the tax breaks for the rich expire this year, the only rich people paying more taxes will be the dumb ones or the ones with dumb accountants.” — R

    For the exact same reason that I have no simpathy for social conservatives who get caught fucking around. We’ve been told by dems that paying taxes is a patriotic action and that we should pay more and be happy to do it. So, why isn’t he happy to do it?

    It’s called hypocricy.

  103. I wonder why libs always refer to anybody that would own stocks and bonds would be classified as rich? Have we forgotten the 33.3% increase in capital gains tax if the Bush tax cuts are allowed to expire?

    I used to be tickled that libs had such a misunderstanding of macroeconomics. Now it just pisses me off. It’s not the rich that will be penalized but the upper middle class and small business owners. Expect greater economic contraction and more job loss.

  104. Ummmm….no I am not.

    The whole point of the Laffer Curve is to show taxable income elasticity. You’re trying to overcomplicate it.

    All it is meant to show is that if you tax people at 0% or 100% you will generate $0 in tax revenue. And that somewhere in the middle of those 2 numbers is the apex at which the maximum amount of tax revenue is generated. The numbers above and below that apex will generate less.

    That’s all. Nothing more, whatsoever. Period.

    That supply-side economics relies heavily on the Laffer theory does not mean that the theory is exclusive to supply-side economics.

    Because, regardless of one’s economic ideology, the curve still applies. And it applies to the question I presented to Rutherford.

    If the plan is to pay for spending policies by increasing taxes on the wealthy, and we know that raising them too high will generate less revenue, doesn’t it make sense that the plan to pay for the spending might not pay for all the spending?

    And does it not then make sense to halt the spending until we have a better picture of how to pay for it that does not include overreliance on generating revenue by taxing the rich that are going to shelter themselves?

    “If the rich don’t invest their tax break in the US economy, all the tax cuts do is serve as a handout to the rich.”

    No, that isn’t all it does. It also generates increased tax revenue, provided the current rate is a greater amount than the apex in Laffer. For example, if the MA state tax on boats was lower, Kerry would dock his boat there. MA would be generating greater tax revenue because Kerry would not be seeking tax shelter in RI, and would be paying those taxes to MA.

  105. Yes – Gorilla – I know that unions are partly to blame. I would hope, though, that you wouldn’t be advocating for the type of sweat-shop work conditions we saw a century ago in this country – and still see in those third world countries we outsource to.” — HP

    There is no UAW in the South, and they’re hiring. GM collapsed because of the unions- pure and simple.

  106. Now, take a little time out of your mourning for folks killed long ago and turn your attention to the boys and girls we are sending to die every day in Afghanistan. How you like the new info that reinforces what we feared all along? That Pakistan is working for the enemy … they are NOT our ally. Let’s have some outrage for Obama over the fact that he and his admin refuse to call Pakistan what it is … another two-faced thugocracy in a region totally out of control.” — R

    People are going to be killed because of this. Lives are at risk now- sources of information, intelligence officers working the issue, etc.

    He should be grabbed and prosecuted.

  107. Thoughts R?

    “There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.” — Booker T. Washington

    A black or white person, now dead, who lived during the civil rights struggles of the 1930s, ’40s or ’50s, might very well be appalled and disgusted by black behavior accepted today.

    Yesteryear, it was the Klan or White Citizens Council who showed up at polling places to intimidate black voters. During the 2008 elections, it was the New Black Panthers who showed up at a Philadelphia polling place to intimidate white voters and tell them, “You are about to be ruled by the black man, cracker.” What’s worse is the U.S. Department of Justice has decided to not to prosecute.

    Black intimidation of voters, to my knowledge, is rare, but black intimidation of Asians is not. Recent reports out of Philadelphia and San Francisco tell of black students beating up Asian students.

    The Asian American Legal Defense and Education Fund, in the wake of serious black-on-Asian violence at South Philadelphia High School, charged the district with “deliberate indifference” to the harassment of Asian students and with “intentional disregard” for their welfare.

    The violence is not restricted to Asian youngsters. Asian adults are included, such as the recent bludgeoning to death of an 83-year-old Chinese man in San Francisco and the pushing of a 57-year-old Asian lady onto Muni subway tracks.

    A white Charleston, S.C., teacher frequently complained of black students calling her: white b—-, white m—–f—– and white ho. Most people would judge that to be racism and demand it to end. Charleston school officials told the teacher this racially charged profanity was simply part of the students’ culture, and if she couldn’t handle it, she was in the wrong school. The teacher brought a harassment suit and the school district settled out of court for $200,000.

    What about black youngsters who hit the books and study after school instead of hitting the streets? Sometimes they are ridiculed as being incog-negro or acting white and the ridicule is often accompanied with life-threatening physical violence. Many blacks, particularly black males, have arrived at the devastating conclusion that academic excellence is a betrayal of their black identity.

    The pathology seen among a large segment of the black population is not likely to change because it’s not seen for what it is. It has little to do with slavery, poverty and racial discrimination. Let’s look at it.

    Today’s black illegitimacy rate is about 70%. When I was a youngster, during the 1940s, illegitimacy was around 15%. In the same period, about 80% of black children were born inside marriage. In fact, historian Herbert Gutman, in “Persistent Myths about the Afro-American Family” in the Journal of Interdisciplinary History (Autumn 1975), reports the percentage of black two-parent families, depending on the city, ranged 75% to 90%.

    Today, only 35% of black children are raised in two-parent households. The importance of these and other statistics showing greater stability and less pathology among blacks in earlier periods is that they put a lie to today’s excuses. Namely, at a time when blacks were closer to slavery, faced far more discrimination, more poverty and had fewer opportunities, there was not the kind of chaos, violence, family breakdown and black racism that we see today.

    Intellectuals and political hustlers who blame the plight of so many blacks on poverty, discrimination and the “legacy of slavery” are complicit in the socioeconomic and moral decay. But as Booker T. Washington suggested:

    “There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.”

    http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/541553/201007261807/Racism-Or-Stupidity-.aspx

  108. Not to say I told you so, (Conservative and Liberal alike), but assuming this temporary cap holds until they finally and permanently plug the hole, I told you the media was blowing the BP oil spill way out of proportion and this would not be in the same category as the Exxon Valdez.

    And this again gets back to my point that mother nature has an unbelievably ability to heal herself. While awful for the people of Louisiana, the eleven families, and the business owners dependent upon tourism, the media blew this one all the way around (Chicken Little). They were making the news, not reporting the news. And that too pisses me off – Shepard Smith was the absolute worst and should be hanged for ignorance.

  109. There is no UAW in the South, and they’re hiring. GM collapsed because of the unions- pure and simple.

    Boeing will set up its second 787 line in Charleston, and Mecedes-Benz has been building cars in the south for a while now.

    Don’t even try to give me the union line, HP. I grew up in the birthplace of the UAW and I know just how much guilt they bear for the destruction of GM and Chrysler.

  110. I can go one better about Boeing and the UAW BIC to prove Hippie once again wrong.

    My first job out of college was working for McDonnell-Douglas, manufacturer of the F-15 Eagle, F18, F4, AV8B Harrier, MD-11, DC-9 and DC-10, later purchased by Boeing.

    Why was MD for sale? The UAW had lost so many contracts for McDonnell Douglas, gone on strike so many times, six weeks after I took my first job included, that St. Louis starting shutting plants on account of union strikes and inability to hold contracts, including in Tulsa, OK – 2,500 jobs gone poof.

    Later the UAW made the entire company cost prohibitive, was divested and sold to the highest bidder.

    So many companies have unions destroyed that weren’t front and center of the news, that I’ve almost lost count.

  111. Rutherford,

    I finally found someone to match you up with for a celebrity boxing match: The Incomparable Bad Ass of JournO(bama)list Spencer Ackerman.

    This is pretty humorous stuff from an ass kicking lib:

    This is the gut-stomping badass who said: “Find a rightwinger’s [sic] and smash it through a plate-glass window. Take a snapshot of the bleeding mess and send it out in a Christmas card to let the right know that it needs to live in a state of constant fear. Obviously I mean this rhetorically.”

    This is the human weapon who said: “If the right forces us all to either defend [Rev. Jeremiah] Wright or tear him down, no matter what we choose, we lose the game they’ve put upon us. Instead, take one of them — Fred Barnes, Karl Rove, who cares — and call them racists.”

    This is the killing machine who told a former Israeli diplomat: “Lenny Ben-David, you and I will meet someday, face to face. I hope it comes very soon. I promise you it will be an unforgettable experience.”

    This is the thugged-out motherf***er who asked: “DC tweeps: anyone ever gotten a cracked windshield fixed? Got a garage you’d recommend?”

    This is the dude you don’t want to mess with. I mean, who doesn’t shake with fear?

    http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/26/ask-matt-labash-i-did/#ixzz0uqezPmMq

    Rutherford, are you sure the North is going to win again in Round Two? 🙂

  112. Really?

    Your political leanings, your lack of commentary otherwise- how could anyone ever think you a union supporter…

  113. He should be grabbed and prosecuted.

    G, I completely agree with you. The source of this leak is a traitor and should be punished to the full extent of the law. BUT, the cat is out of the bag … what do we do about it? If I were Obama, I’d give Zardari a call and say, “listen chump you’re not the only nuclear power in the world. Help us with Afghanistan or stay out of our way. You keep interfering and we’ll blow you back into the stone age … you’ll look just like Afghanistan when we’re through with you.”

    Zardari is an arrogant prick and I called it way back when.

  114. There is an interesting theme emerging from these collected threads over the years and I would summarize it thus:

    What happens when organizations designed to protect the downtrodden end up contributing to their continued destitution?

    Our friends at The Rutherford Lawson Conservative Round Table (RLCRT) would put the NAACP, the 20th century liberal ideology and unions in that category.

    Mmmmm food for thought.

  115. Wow, we’ve a table? Who would have thought the Rutherford Lawson blog would become a leading bastion for conservative thought?

    All in all, I’d have to agree with that assessment.

  116. Gorilla said: Your political leanings, your lack of commentary otherwise- how could anyone ever think you a union supporter…

    That is what you get when you run with stereotypes, Gorilla. No – I am generally NOT a union supporter. They indeed do some good things, but they make a mess of things as well.

    What I very much don’t want to see is a return to the sweat-shop conditions that brought rise to unions in the first place, and which are still found in the third world.

    I don’t know the details of how – but apparently non-union auto plants manage not to go there. This is an honest question – how do those non-union plants remain competitive without cutting corners on things like worker safety and worker benefits?

  117. You know, I actually owe Hippie an apology. He is being truthful when he says he’s not a huge fan of unions – he and I have had similar bad experiences and had talked about this previously.

    Apology Hippie…

  118. Tex said: The Incomparable Bad Ass of JournO(bama)list Spencer Ackerman.

    Tex – I think the journolist emails reveal clearly that Ackerman is a hotheaded jerk. But, that really wasn’t in question to begin with. As I am sure you know, he was fired from The New Republic for insubordination. I need not tell you that The New Republic is a left-leaning publication – yet he was too much for them.

    I don’t think he is particularly representative of journolist subscribers. Notice that we don’t have a lot of “hear hear” responses being reported to Ackerman’s rants, either.

  119. I don’t think he is particularly representative of journolist subscribers. Notice that we don’t have a lot of “hear hear” responses being reported to Ackerman’s rants, either.

    Ackerman may be some of the worst, but he’s hardly the only one in question. Did you get a look at that dweeb? 😆 Can you imagine this clown threatening anybody?

    I won’t bother to rehash the dozens of already said quotes, but I found this one very interesting since I’m addressing you:

    I’m still waiting for my apology from 538.com’s Nate Silver

    http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2010/07/im-still-waiting-for-my-apology-from.html

  120. You asked me for proof that the J-list emails were real. Was that avoidance, denial, being a jerk, or are you no longer doubting that they are?

  121. Man…as I’ve mentioned before, I watch a lot of boxing. I can not believe how tough Mexicans are. They have got to be the toughest son of bitches on Earth. They don’t give a damn either. Screw the money and let the fists fly. It’s not fair that leftist vote fiends and cheap labor hounds want to keep the status quo. Mexicans deserve better. The coyotes, kidnapping, the slavery. Seal the fucking border and make it easier to become a citizen legally. I believe a good dose of Mexican culture may end up giving our nation some needed heart. But only if they get here the same way my Grand Pappy did.

  122. how do those non-union plants remain competitive without cutting corners on things like worker safety and worker benefits?

    Gee, I don’t know. How about state versions of OSHA that weild enormous power tio investigate and regulate labor practices? Then there are any number of media outlets to which one can report eggregious violations…

  123. ” I believe a good dose of Mexican culture may end up giving our nation some needed heart. ”

    The percentage of Medal of Honor winners that are Latino is greater than the percentage of Latinos in the US. Theirs is the only demographic that can make such a boast. They have indeed proven themselves to be a very brave and honorable people that have contributed much to this nation.

  124. I don’t know the details of how – but apparently non-union auto plants manage not to go there.

    HP, if I had to pull a guess out of my butt I’d say these non-union shops are as close to “full employment” as possible. By that I mean, they only fire for cause. A company with which I am familiar (whose name will be protected) used to have a full employment policy and there was never any talk of unions. Yes, the management team was taught all the legalities involving unions but it was a waste of time because no one every seriously thought of starting or joining one.

    Once this same company started layoffs for the first time in about 75 years, suddenly unions were no longer hypothetical.

    I’d be curious about the layoff rates of these non-union Southern based car manufacturers.

  125. Our friends at The Rutherford Lawson Conservative Round Table (RLCRT) would put the NAACP, the 20th century liberal ideology and unions in that category.

    Mmmmm food for thought.

    1. Having created such a forum, do you conceal it so that Keith Olbermann doesn’t declare you THE WORST PERSON IN THE WORLD?

    2. Do you don gloves and a hazmat suit before commenting here to keep any of that truth from making contact with your skin and endangering your liberal street cred?

  126. D.R.,

    I’m not a hard ass about Mexicans either – I’ve always contended I’d be doing the same thing.

    Stop the immigrants from illegally crossing the borders, and yes this can be done, and if it can’t then we are in real danger because rest assured Al-Queda would like to crawl over too.

    After, anybody here illegally moves to the back of the line by lottery, with those who have applied for citizenship already given first dibs. Then speed up the application process and make it dirt cheap so poor people can afford it.

  127. Risked? “What we have, in short, is intellectual corruption of a fairly high order. From what we have seen and from what those like Tucker Carlson and his colleagues (who have read the exchanges in detail) say, Journolist was — at least in good measure — a hotbed of hatred, political hackery, banality, and juvenile thuggery. . . . Journolist provides a window into the mindset of the journalistic and academic left in this country. It is not a pretty sight. The demonization and dehumanization of critics is arresting. Those who hold contrary views to the Journolist crowd aren’t individuals who have honest disagreements; they are evil, malignant, and their voices need to be eliminated from the public square. It is illiberal in the extreme. . . . Those who participated in Journolist undoubtedly hope this story will fade away and be forgotten. I rather doubt it will. It is another episode in the long, downward slide of modern journalism.” – Peter Wehner

    AMEN!

  128. This is the kind of stuff that will kill the dems, especially Obama…

    The Jamboree kicked off this week at Fort A.P. Hill in Virginia, where organizers had invited the president to speak to the 45,000 scouts in attendance. All three of Obama’s predecessors have made it to one Jamboree while in office.

    But the president will instead be traveling Wednesday to New York for a taping of the ABC show, as well as Democratic fundraisers and a stop in New Jersey. The talk show appearance comes as campaign season moves into full swing, but also amid efforts to cap the Gulf oil spill for good, contain the damage from an unprecedented leak of Afghanistan war documents and battle Arizona over its immigration law — set to go into effect Thursday. Obama also has an out-of-town event planned for Friday in Detroit.
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/27/obama-missing-historic-boy-scout-jamboree-fundraisers-view-taping/

  129. You can’t make this up…

    Massachusetts Congressman Barney Frank caused a scene when he demanded a $1 senior discount on his ferry fare to Fire Island’s popular gay haunt, The Pines, last Friday. Frank was turned down by ticket clerks at the dock in Sayville because he didn’t have the required Suffolk County Senior Citizens ID. A witness reports, “Frank made such a drama over the senior rate that I contemplated offering him the dollar to cool down the situation.” Frank made news last year when he was spotted looking uncomfortable around a bevy of topless, well-built men at the Pines Annual Ascension Beach Party. Frank’s spokesperson confirmed to Page Six that his partner, James Ready, asked the ticket office for a regular ticket for himself and a senior ticket for Frank, “but was turned down because Frank didn’t have a resident ID.”

    http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/sorry_barney_no_discount_BSco6dW9b1VTgrL7GcCFrN#ixzz0uwT8DVSm

  130. Tell me, isn’t it wonderfully ironic to have Mike Moore blabbing to Larry King Alive with a sign just over his head saying…Nowhere.

    I didn’t need the words, that said it all…

  131. “R”,

    Yeah, that’s been a running joke around here for a couple of weeks. Think that my be the guy wasn’t much of a father?

    I think if I ever run for office, and one of my daughters pulls a stunt like that, I’ll know that politics is probably not the proper career choice for me.

  132. Damn, it’s quiet around here.

    Who’d have thought the left would grow so tired of defending its own after only 18 months?

  133. Huck,

    They’ll be back to gloat now that the federal judge has blocked the AZ Law. Another miscarriage of justice – the only real bastion left of liberalism.

    Some state is going to have to secede to finally reign in our corrupt justice system.

    When the law is perverted, you’re not left with much of a country anyway. And the decision by Bolton was as predictable as the day is long.

  134. Huck,

    I have had so some actual work to do – so I have been distracted. Don’t worry – I will be back eventually.

    I must admit, though, I do get tired of making the same arguments over and over and over. If you guys would just roll over it would make life so much easier….

    😉

  135. What is it with the MA delegation? Kerry parks his yacht to avoid taxes and now calls it a charter service,Frank looks for out of state senior discounts…

  136. Hey! Guess what I received tonight? An automated Rasmussen poll. I’ve never been asked in my life.

    It was a pretty detailed poll and I thought very fairly facilitated – really, it was fair. It switched off answers for liberals and conservatives in no consistent order.

    But one of the questions was how often do you vote. I was surprised that wasn’t the very first question. They also asked if I was registered Republican, Democrat, or Independent.

  137. I most certainly hope they do charge them with a hate crime.

    Hate Crime Over Rap Music?
    Teen attacker warned whites “shouldn’t be listening to rap music”

    JULY 28–Declaring that white people “shouldn’t be listening to rap music,” a 14-year-old Florida boy allegedly assaulted a man Monday night in what police say was a racially-motivated attack. The teenager was arrested after he allegedly struck the 22-year-old victim, who is white, in the face. According to a Palm Bay Police Department report, a copy of which you’ll find below, the victim was on a sidewalk listening to rap music when he was confronted by the boy and other teenagers. The suspect told the man to turn off his music, adding that he was “white and he shouldn’t be listening to rap music.” When the victim replied that he “could listen to whatever he wants,” the suspect “repeatedly” punched him in the face. Though “other black juvenile males and females…attempted to get involved in the dispute,” the victim fled “before any further battery could occur.” The man sustained a swollen left eye during the assault, cops reported. The teen attacker gave a fake name when initially approached by cops, but was later identified by his mother. The boy was arrested and booked into Brevard County’s juvenile detention facility for misdemeanor battery and giving cops a false name. However, if the incident is determined to be racially motivated, the battery charge could be elevated to a felony via a so-called hate-crime enhancement.

  138. I said it before, this is going to get people killed. When these people are killed, Julian Assange should be charged and prosecuted for their deaths.

    Leaked War Files Expose Identities of Afghan Informants
    Hundreds of Afghan lives have been put at risk by the leaking of 90,000 intelligence documents to WikiLeaks because the files identify informants working with NATO forces.

    In just two hours of searching the WikiLeaks archive, The Times of London found the names of dozens of Afghans credited with providing detailed intelligence to U.S. forces. Their villages are given for identification and also, in many cases, their fathers’ names.

    U.S. officers recorded detailed logs of the information fed to them by named local informants, particularly tribal elders.

    Julian Assange, the Australian founder of WikiLeaks, claimed on Monday that all the documents released through his organisation had been checked for named informants and that 15,000 such documents had been held back.

    The Afghan Government has reacted with horror to the volume of information contained in the files.

  139. Gorilla,

    I don’t even know what to say about endangering Afghan citizens.

    I will say that I agree with Ralph Peters that whoever leaked these to Wikileak should be executed.

    And I mean executed.

  140. Tex said: I will say that I agree with Ralph Peters that whoever leaked these to Wikileak should be executed.

    Tex, you and I agree in agreement about this one.

    The one thing that surprises me about the whole thing, though, is that apparently there are some people who are surprised that Pakistan is working with the enemy. This is hardly news.

  141. Hippie,

    Surprisingly, you and I must be on the same wave length tonight. Miracle of miracles.

    The one thing that surprises me about the whole thing, though, is that apparently there are some people who are surprised that Pakistan is working with the enemy. This is hardly news.

    I was shocked that others were shocked over this. I thought it pretty common knowledge. My real question – why have we given Pakistan 7 billion for our troubles?

    I think I’d tell them those days are over boys.

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