The Strange Case of Alvin Greene

Sarah Palin, step aside. We have someone new for Katie Couric to interview who makes Palin look like a rocket scientist. First let’s enjoy a flight of fancy.

  1. Let’s say you’ve got a real dumb-ass Republican named Jim DeMint and you want to pretty much guarantee that he wins another term in November.
  2. Then let’s say you’re real stupid and you want to stack the deck way in old Jim’s favor, even to the degree that you would do something totally preposterous.
  3. So you give $10,400 to an unemployed Veteran/accused sex offender and tell him to use it to file for candidacy in the Democratic primary for Senator.
  4. Now let’s throw in the fact that your state (South Carolina) is in the bottom half of the country intellectually.
  5. Finally, for good measure, we take note that the Democratic primary in South Carolina is open, i.e. anyone can vote in it, Dem or GOPher.
  6. Your plan works brilliantly and said Veteran wins the primary without even campaigning. How can Jim DeMint not beat this guy?

Now you would think I made this scenario up, pulled it right out of my patooty so to speak. No, my friends, on Tuesday Alvin Greene won the Democratic primary for Senator from South Carolina and he is poised to face Jim DeMint in November. Alvin is an army Veteran (kudos for that). Alvin is unemployed (so are many of us). Police say Alvin showed dirty pictures to a college kid (now THERE is an unusual Senate qualification)!

Alvin Greene

If this weren’t bad enough, Alvin gives one lousy interview. I saw him on MSNBC’s “Countdown” tonight and his appearance was cringe-worthy to say the least. A show called The Big Picture demonstrated how Mr. Greene might have held up against Katie Couric. In another Big Picture interview, a member of the South Carolina House of Representatives, Bakari Sellers suggested that Greene’s win by 59% of the vote may have involved some “divine intervention”.

The only divine intervention that I can imagine is that someone put Greene up to running and South Carolinians were stupid enough to just vote for the first name they saw on the ballot. Alvin is now in a pickle. From every interview I’ve seen of him, he would rather be getting root canal than be running for office. He has to juggle this campaign against DeMint with a pending felony trial. Your heart almost has to go out to him.

Representative Jim Clyburn has cried foul. He says there is no way Greene was ever a legitimate candidate. Personally, I have no idea how Alvin will last until November. Expect to see him drop from the campaign within the next few weeks (if not days).

Alvin Greene is pretty clearly somebody’s tool. The question is whose. If the answer comes up GOP, I hope that is enough to turn voter outrage against DeMint so that he joins old Alvin on the unemployment line.

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80 thoughts on “The Strange Case of Alvin Greene

  1. holy crap….I watched that interview.

    Rutherford……you can blame this one on the GOP, you can make ridiculous and unfair comparisons to Palin ( not even in the same ball park nor universe, buddy) but sometimes, you got to know when to fold ‘um.

    This is one of the most embarrassing things I’ve ever seen.

  2. Hey DR … I can’t prove the GOP is behind it. Surely one thing we can agree on is that the IQ of SC is questionable if this dude won an election for anything beyond dog catcher.

    How is the Palin comparison unfair? Do you think Palin looks dumber than this dude? Sh*t, I acknowledged that she has lost her crown for idiot interview to this guy.

    P.S. I neglected to point out in the article that Alvin’s was an involuntary but honorable discharge from the army. Yikes!

  3. IF someone gave $10,000 to Greene so that he could file to run for U.S. Senate,

    And IF that person was a Republican operative, attempting to sabotage the Democratic slate…

    Then would one of our legal experts please chime in and tell us whether that scenario is illegal, as some say Sestak-gate was illegal?

    Rabbit, it’s real. And I’m not blaming anyone – yet. But the greater mystery to me is how “four-term state lawmaker Vic Rawl” lost the primary to Mr. Greene by a 59-41 margin. What kind of a bozo must Vic Rawl be?

    Jim DeMint was as close to a 100% certainty for re-election as exists on planet earth. He was in Edwin Edwards territory – a lock, unless he is “caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy.” (Hey – this is South Carolina! In SC, so you never know what to expect. :D)

    But now, might have Republican’s have promoted DeMint’s candidacy just a little too enthusiastically? Richard Nixon was a lock in 1972, but his campaign played the dirty tricks just a bit too enthusiastically. Perhaps you heard about it?

    It’s as old as humankind. So old that the Ancient Greeks had a name for it.


  4. How quickly “R” forgets renowned geniuses like Cynthia McKinney, Maxine Waters, Hank Johnson, and Alcee Hastings. Then you throw in a Joe Biden gaffe or two, and we’ve got a team.

    I knew “R” couldn’t go a day without somehow gunning for his secret love. Frankly, I was surprised when “R” didn’t show “profound” jealousy that Joe McGinniss had moved beside Palin.

    Rutherford must have missed the rent ad. Guaranteed he’d give up everything he’s got to get a whiff.

  5. If, if, if

    Graychin, just pretend we are the Obama Administration and accept the answer that we don’t want to get into hypotheticals.

  6. Why would that be illeagal? Are you kidding me? The GOP can give money to any dumb ass they want to. Are you kidding me? I’m seriously laughing out loud right now. Guys, the dude won the primary becuase of VOTES.


    Come on.

    I hope the GOP did this becuase I would find that even more hilarious.

    It’s not even remotely unethical. I assume it was done legally in accordance to ten 1,000 dollar donations or whatever the hell the rule is.

    If the GOP did this, they didn’t raise money for a website or one add in the local paper. Am I right?

    Do you think I would be blaming the Dems if they gave a couple bucks to some moron to run as a Republican and said Republican won? I’d be cracking up just the same!



    The funny thing is I would never even use this shit against you libs. That is until I see your reaction.

    It’s Bush’s fault!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  7. Graychin, I’m afraid you’ve lost me. I cannot address that until I know what you are talking about.

  8. I cannot address that until I know what you are talking about.

    You’ll be waiting for eternity. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about. 😛

  9. I would say if the GOP did orchestrate this, then things are looking pretty good for us come Novemember.

    Just think about what kind of voter mobilization that kind of campaign would require.

  10. “Then would one of our legal experts please chime in and tell us whether that scenario is illegal, as some say Sestak-gate was illegal?”

    Answer: It’s done all the time, and Green’s a democrat. So yes.

    This is the most hilarious thing I’ve seen since. . . well. . . ever.

    I think it says more about how people feel about Clyburn than the alphabetic listing of names on the ballot. It’s not like we’re talking about Oklahoma.

  11. Tiger, Clyburn is not the candidate who lost to Alvin Greene. That would be “four-term state lawmaker Vic Rawl.”

    Clyburn is an SC congressman, and a member of the Democratic leadership team.

    From his bio, Vic Rawl sounds like a credible candidate. Strange days in South Carolina.

  12. Alvin Greene is pretty clearly somebody’s tool.

    That much should be obvious to anyone. But WHOSE tool?

    I can’t wait to find out. But we will find out.

  13. G-chin, you are right. I tuned in with blurry eyes too early this morning. I guess bveing corrected by someone from Oklahoma is now my albatross.

  14. Tiger, we all make mistakes – especially in this point-and-shoot format.

    Be nice the next time you correct me. We don’t all have to be know-it-all assholes.

  15. Gang, the more I think about this Alvin Greene thing the more I think this goes beyond a “plant” candidate and involves outright voter fraud.

    Greene ran against a SC politician with a track record, Vic Rawl. From what I have read, Rawl, a white man, lost to Greene in predominantly white districts …. in friggin South Carolina!!!! I’m sorry, this smells worse and worse the more I hear about it.

    Now I must concede that a huge voter turnout drive to get GOPhers to vote for Greene is not voter fraud per se. But it’s dirty pool.

    I can’t wait to see what an investigation makes of this.

  16. “Don’t be criticizing me any more for ducking questions.”

    I’m not sure I can recall an occasion where I have done so. Can you point one out to me?

  17. Not for nothing but I have some quick thoughts:

    Rutherford your post is incomplete re facts but thoroughly complete on bias and and left wing talking points.
    First off have your bests fully looked at. Look at some of those states BELOW SC! (Hawaii,Cali…)

    SC Gov. race was one that was getting a lot of coverage and excitement. The people that went into the booths for that are the same ones you lunatics are trying to demean today. Lets roll those digits though…

    The SC GOP Senate race musters 410,808 votes
    The SC GOP Gov.s race musters 420,332 votes a diff of only 9,524 potential (as you’d say it) GOPher plants

    The Dem Senate race shows 169,542 votes cast
    The Dem GOV totals = 188,576
    That seems more like 19,034 (D)’s that were like “What the hell? Who are these idiots?”
    I think it is safe to assume there is no massive GOP voting for Alvin.
    The deal here is a lazy Dem voting bloc that just picked the first name on the list.
    So in a state you find to be filled with dummies (they’re actually trying harder than northeast elitists want anyone to believe) the dumbest are (D)’s

  18. OH… one more thing before I go eat lunch … you watch enough videos of Greene and you start to get the impression he might be impaired. That makes this farce even more disgusting.

    Is Greene a case of Chauncey Gardiner in “Being There”?

  19. “I can’t wait to see what an investigation makes of this.”

    Rutherford, beside the fact that this is an allegation made against Republicans instead of Democrats, why should this be investigated and not the Sestak incident?

  20. So in a state you find to be filled with dummies (they’re actually trying harder than northeast elitists want anyone to believe)

    They’re trying to be dummies harder than northeast elitists want to believe? 🙂

  21. No,they’re trying to improve their ed system more. Now have a nice lunch and when your tummy is full perhaps you can give us all your take on how the digits play. Personally I think they should ruin your appetite.

  22. What’s realy sad is that if this guy had an (R) behind his name, Rutherford and his fellow Democrats would be pointing their fingers and laughing their asses off at the dumbass voters who elected him, as well as laughing off any allegations of voter fraud or election manipulation.

    Tell me I am wrong.

  23. The open primary system in SC makes it unwise to take the numbers quoted by Alfie at face value.

    After last night’s interview with Greene, Olbermann remarked that someone identifying himself as Greene’s lawyer was prompting Greene’s answers from off-camera. Some of Greene’s hesitations in answering simple questions might have resulted from his waiting to hear what his lawyer told him to say.

    No need to call for a special prosecutor in SC. The press is all over this, and I think that in a few days we’ll learn quite a bit about how Greene became a Democratic Senate nominee.

    Likewise, the facts in Sestak-gate already seem to be clear, so what’s to investigate? Did anything illegal happen? A few experts say yes, particularly hyper-partisan ones. Most say no.

    Huck – see your comment at #6. Would you consider trying to answer my question at #4? Assuming the worst – did anything illegal happen in South Carolina in l’affaire Greene? Or was this “just politics”?

  24. “Is Greene a case of Chauncey Gardiner in “Being There”?”-

    I was thinking the same exact thing!!!!!!

    You are probably referencing what I think was a movie. I read this little novel that inspired that movie.

    It was written by some twisted soul named Jerzey Kosinski, a holocaust survivor who ended up killing himself.

    This same author also wrote the most twisted book I’ve ever read, The Painted Bird.

  25. Huck, you are wrong in that your hypothetical is unrealistic. Democrats aren’t very skilled at electoral “dirty tricks.”

    Can you even name an electoral dirty perpetrated by Democrats? There may be some, but I can’t think of any.

    Lee Atwater was a South Carolina Republican.

  26. By the way, greychin, I read your comment in which you worried I was some cynical “Another Brick in the Wall” teacher.

    I will elect to model my response to your stereotyping from the great Jerry Springer Show: “You don’t know me! You don’t know me! ”

    You are the exact reason I defend teacher unions.

    Yes, I do this job becuase of summers off, full benefits and a decent pay check.

    It just so happens I love the job and find it very rewarding. But, if dog turd cleaner upper was “the” job with summers off….I would be a “dog turd cleaner upper”.

    Why is it that the laws of the labor market need not apply to teachers?

    Do you really expect all of us to be saints? It seems to be the only profession where everybody, from the left or the right, hates you if you admit to doing the job for earthly rewards. As if this is the one job that can’t be done with any quality if it’s done for any other reason then being Mother Theresa.

    Speaking of lows…remember when Rutherford found the one dude in the world that made a couple bucks from bashing Mother Teresa and joined in? A low here at the old blog.

  27. The open primary system in SC makes it unwise to take the numbers quoted by Alfie at face value.

    Actually that isn’t true at all. Take the SC Democrat primary for Senate in 2004.Inez Tenebaum was the D victor there. (she is Obmas head of Consumer Product Safety Comm. btw.)
    Anyway she won the primary in a Presidential year with only…..167,790 votes cast.That’s less than what was cast in this primary,but not by much.
    Of interest to those that are continuing to piss on SC politics the 2004 general saw Tenebaum secure 704,384 votes in her loss to DeMint.w/ 857,167.
    My numbers are fact and reality. Gray you got nada dude.

  28. Can you even name an electoral dirty perpetrated by Democrats? There may be some, but I can’t think of any.

    You’re not trying hard enough. Obama and Daley for starters.

  29. Rabbit, I wasn’t stereotyping you. I was responding to your own pessimistic, cynical – and racist – comments. Does your attitude affect your job performance?

    You needn’t defend teachers’ unions because of me. I’m very pro-teacher. Most are overworked, underpaid, and under-appreciated. But I suspect that there are several teacher-bashers among the regulars here.

    Sad but true – most of us do our jobs mostly for “earthly rewards.” Only the luckiest among us have found a way to earn a living by pursuing their passions. I can’t blame you for chasing earthly rewards. But teachers, like doctors, should “first do no harm.”

    Remember – “no dark sarcahsm in the clahsroom.” 😀

  30. “Democrats aren’t very skilled at electoral “dirty tricks.” ”

    The FBI investigation of ACORN begs to differ.

    Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption, announced today that it has obtained documents from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) related to the 2007 investigation and arrest of eight St. Louis, Missouri, workers from the “community organization” Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) for violation of election laws and voter fraud.
    In addition to the hand-written notes, the documents also include copies of the arrest warrants, criminal case cover sheets and court documents. In April 2008, all eight ACORN employees involved in the scandal pled guilty to voter registration fraud.

    In March 2010, Judicial Watch obtained a separate batch of FBI documents detailing federal investigations into alleged ACORN corruption and voter registration fraud in Connecticut. The FBI and Department of Justice initiated investigations. However, the Obama Justice Department, while noting that ACORN had engaged in “questionable hiring and training practices,” closed down the investigation in March 2009, claiming ACORN broke no laws.

    Looks pretty dirty to me.

  31. ACORN broke no laws. Some of its agents committed fraud in order to get paid more for registering voters. ACORN submitted the registrations to the state as required by law – but only after flagging the ones that were so obviously fraudulent.

    But how does that qualify as a “dirty trick”? No one believes that Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck voted as a result of being registered by an ACORN agent. Not even the most insane and rabid partisans believe that. There doesn’t even seem to be any political motivation for the fraud. It was done for money.

    Alfie, I honestly have no idea what you are talking about.

  32. And not for nothing I won’t participate any further in off post thread points ie corruption history.
    Gray do you really think the number comparisons are nothing? The two primary comparison sets being so close and you say it’s unwise to take them at face value. Shit you must hate then

  33. Huck, you are wrong in that your hypothetical is unrealistic. Democrats aren’t very skilled at electoral “dirty tricks.”

    Can you imagine the sickness of a mind and/or the selective memory that could make a statement this profoundly dishonest?

    ACORN just recently charged with election fraud relating to the 2008 presidential election and they aren’t skilled at “dirty tricks.”

    Maybe he’s parsing words. Maybe dirty tricks doesn’t mean “fraud”, or “criminal activity.”

    Good Lord – if there is one thing short of race hustling and making empty promises they can’t possibly keep, the one thing the Dimocratic party does exceptionally well is dirty tricks. Dirty tricks are epidemic in the halls of Democratic politics. Chicago, Detroit, L.A., Oakland. That’s all it is.

    Threats of black churches being burned, James Byrd being dragged to death again, Al Gore stating for the record Republicans believe blacks 3/5 human. I could go on for weeks…

    Nobody, and I mean nobody including the Yellow Dawg from Bartlesville could make a statement that phenomenally stupid. The man is completely deluded and probably not in control of his faculties. Maybe Graychin is like the class clown and will make the most outrageous claims just to grab attention.

    I know for a fact he’s terribly lonely.

  34. I fight diseased black culture. Or, at least I used to. There are no blacks at my school now, really.

    I’ve worked in juvenile prisons where I was the only white staff member, not to mention the all black pool of students (outside of Appalachia and some Hispanics).

    I’ve also worked in the inner city.

    There are plenty of black folk who agree with me.

    Black culture is diseased and I have fought that pretty hard. Hell, I’m proud of the work I’ve done to be honest.

    I seriously can’t expect you to understand, really. You’re to far removed to get that a guy like me may not be racist.

    You can go back to watching the Cosby Show now, class is dismissed, Lilly.

  35. “Most are overworked, underpaid, and under-appreciated.”

    I don’t feel this to be true in my case, actually. If I and when i do, Dead Rabbit will try to get another job.

    I think I’m paid fairly right now for the most part. (I did take a 9% pay cut).

    Over worked? I’m a grown ass man that gets the entire summer off!

    under-appreciated? who isn’t

  36. I just finished looking at SC US Senate race results back to the 90’s. It’s amazing how they all cluster in the high 160k of voters and how the generals play out. History is a beautiful thing.
    On a side note there is a political party in SC that is filing a lawsuit aimed at doing away with open primaries…..It’s the GOP

  37. Two questions for Rutherford. I’ve been meaning to ask you and now is as good a time as any.

    (1) Why are you Dims now so terribly concerned with voter irregularity? You loved it in 2006 and 2008. 🙂

    (2) Whose ass is Obama going to possibly be able to kick, if he kicks like he throws? Pee Wee Herman? Barney Fife?

  38. Hey DR … I can’t prove the GOP is behind it. Surely one thing we can agree on is that the IQ of SC is questionable if this dude won an election for anything beyond dog catcher.“– R

    No, the IQ of Dems is in question.

    I knew this post was going to come.

    Aside from the conspiracy theory being just absolutely absurd, lets look at it for a minute, in comparison to Sestak.

    Title 18 Section 211
    Whoever solicits or receives, either as a political contribution, or for personal emolument, any money or thing of value, in consideration of the promise of support or use of influence in obtaining for any person any appointive office or place under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

    Whoever solicits or receives any thing of value in consideration of aiding a person to obtain employment under the United States either by referring his name to an executive department or agency of the United States or by requiring the payment of a fee because such person has secured such employment shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than one year, or both. This section shall not apply to such services rendered by an employment agency pursuant to the written request of an executive department or agency of the United States.

    This is for a government job, not elected office. Doesn’t apply.

    Title 18 Section 595
    Whoever, being a person employed in any administrative position by the United States, or by any department or agency thereof, or by the District of Columbia or any agency or instrumentality thereof, or by any State, Territory, or Possession of the United States, or any political subdivision, municipality, or agency thereof, or agency of such political subdivision or municipality (including any corporation owned or controlled by any State, Territory, or Possession of the United States or by any such political subdivision, municipality, or agency), in connection with any activity which is financed in whole or in part by loans or grants made by the United States, or any department or agency thereof, uses his official authority for the purpose of interfering with, or affecting, the nomination or the election of any candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

    This section shall not prohibit or make unlawful any act by any officer or employee of any educational or research institution, establishment, agency, or system which is supported in whole or in part by any state or political subdivision thereof, or by the District of Columbia or by any Territory or Possession of the United States; or by any recognized religious, philanthropic or cultural organization.

    This is for folks who are GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES, political parties are not government employees as an institution.

    Title 18 Section 600
    Whoever, directly or indirectly, promises any employment, position, compensation, contract, appointment, or other benefit, provided for or made possible in whole or in part by any Act of Congress, or any special consideration in obtaining any such benefit, to any person as consideration, favor, or reward for any political activity or for the support of or opposition to any candidate or any political party in connection with any general or special election to any political office, or in connection with any primary election or political convention or caucus held to select candidates for any political office, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

    Promise of a job, not an elected position. Again, the difference being that no one under any circumstance can promise a publicly elected position through the normal electoral process since no one has that authority.

    Really, under the logic test (which I know is a VERY high standard for you guys), this is a non-sequitor, but thanks for playing just the same…

  39. Pay Attention!!!!!
    1. The last four letters in “American” = I Can

    2. The last four letters in “Republican” = I Can

    3. The last four letters in “Democrats” = Rats

    End of Lesson.

    Test to follow in November.

  40. “The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.”

  41. Ape @ #50:

    That’s just freaking profound.

    And thanks for forwarding that chain email from your idiot brother-in-law at #51. I tried to find its source, but Googling it gives about 64,000 hits.

    Very educational.

  42. How about you, R? Nothing to add to GC’s remarks on my question?

    Honestly, BiW, my background with the Fed Papers, etc. is sufficiently limited that you could write on any or all of the topics you proposed and I would learn something … provided what you write is academically sound and not simply your opinion. 😉

  43. remember when Rutherford found the one dude in the world that made a couple bucks from bashing Mother Teresa and joined in?

    That was way before Gray’s time. And the dude was Christopher Hitchens who has a new memoir out called “Hitch-22”. Apparently his parents died in a suicide pact. He’s a complex man … a bit of a prick … but unafraid to go against the grain.

    Interestingly Rabbit, while he didn’t like Mother Theresa, he was in favor of the Iraq war. So you see, you don’t disagree on everything. 😉

    Regarding teachers. I have no problem with someone enjoying teaching for the benefits (free summer, for example). Both of my parents were educators and thanks to that I got to travel extensively as a child because we took summer vacations every year. With that said, we all hope that our teachers inspire our children WHILE they are enjoying the benefits. Rabbit, I think you’d agree none of us want crappy teachers. (Oh and yes, before you hammer me …. teachers are no sub for parents. Crappy parents cannot be compensated for by saintly teachers.)

  44. Why do you insist on always ignoring the most obvious reasons?

    Tex, throw me a bone …. can you not imagine that perhaps 10% of the rise in unwed births is due to changing mores? Can’t you give me a measly 10%?

  45. Rabbit, I don’t doubt for a minute what you have witnessed, What I think can be off-putting is your extrapolation of what goes on in Detroit and other inner cities to the entire black population. In fact, if lots of black folk agree with you (that the culture is diseased) then that means there a lot of black folk who don’t fit the stereotype expressed in the rant that alarmed Graychin.

    From getting to know you in this limited cyber-way over the past couple of years, I’m guessing you’re probably one of the coolest “white dudes” most of the black kids you’ve met have ever encountered. You’re down to earth and I think you take people on an individual basis. I also think what you’ve seen over the years has depressed the hell out of you.

    Can’t say I blame you for that. Maybe the antidote to all that prison work you did is to go work at Howard University for a bit and see a predominantly black population interested in learning and improving society?

  46. You know, R…this post struck me as being reminiscent of something. I had to think about it for a while, and then it came to me:

    BiW, I’m impressed with your familiarity with my oeuvre.

    You may be right that nothing comes of this but Alvin just doesn’t seem to be “all there”. He doesn’t seem to be someone who had $10,400 laying around. If he could get on the ballot for free, I wouldn’t be so skeptical that something is fishy.

    Time will tell. As you recall, the dead Kentucky census worker wound up in my “blooper reel”. This may also.

  47. Tex, throw me a bone …. can you not imagine that perhaps 10% of the rise in unwed births is due to changing mores? Can’t you give me a measly 10%?

    No need to throw you a bone as I agreed with you on the previous thread, and you’ve posted your own response on the wrong thread on your own blog. 🙂

    I simply contend and bellieve I proved that Graychin’s assertion that Jim Crow and slavery ruined the black family. That is not historical or statistically accurate. My assertion is that the Great Society started the problem, good intent gone bad, was timed to coincide not too many years before real radicalism begin taking hold including feminism, became rampant first in the black population with government welfare, then whites followed suit a few years thereafter.

    No doubt that you are absolutely correct now and probably the biggest cause of all family disintegration – social mores. Sad times we live in if you’re a kid.

  48. Pay Attention!!!!!
    1. The last four letters in “American” = I Can

    2. The last four letters in “Republican” = I Can

    3. The last four letters in “Democrats” = Rats

    End of Lesson.

    Test to follow in November.

    If that’s a Gorilla original, my hat’s off to you. It’s your version of “this is your brain on drugs … ” 🙂

  49. The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable …

    G, this is always a dangerous road to go down since once you doubt the masses, then you can’t turn around and make them geniuses when they pick someone you like (like Sarah Palin).

    My guess is that if in 2012, a GOPher is elected, suddenly your faith in the people will be restored. 🙂

  50. Regarding 52, LOL Gray it never occurred to me to google it. You’re right … it’s everywhere and attributed to no one. Funny thing is for all its verbosity, all it really says is we get the leaders we deserve.

  51. First off, this isn’t my quote, but I think there is certainly value in it. We should be concerned with a citizenry that is less and less concerned with reality, and more and more concerned with charity (which is defined as taxes only for those of us thaty actually pay them).

    I happen to have a bit of faith in the American people and think that the circumstances that brought us Obama will likely never happen again, inshallah.

    I’ll happily give you my pick for 2012- Newt. In fact, I can’t wait to see those debates between Newt and the Won. I can picture the carnage now, Obama is waxing poetic in generalities while Newt is laying down facts and pointing out O’s ever growing list of failures. Truly, quality entertainment…

  52. you’ve posted your own response on the wrong thread on your own blog.

    I’m gonna be 49 next Tuesday. You expect me to keep proper track of this sh*t? 😀

  53. Well, thanks to an editorial comment by Chris Matthews, I am becoming convinced that Sarah Palin will run for President. I may write a piece on this over the weekend. (It’s not rocket science but it does hold together.)

  54. Well, thanks to an editorial comment by Chris Matthews, I am becoming convinced that Sarah Palin will run for President. I may write a piece on this over the weekend. (It’s not rocket science but it does hold together.)

    If true, doesn’t that mean that the Dems and the Press (but I repeat myself) actually get the opponent that they ran against in the last election?

  55. “If true, doesn’t that mean that the Dems and the Press (but I repeat myself) actually get the opponent that they ran against in the last election?”

    Only if George Bush is her running mate.

  56. Sarah Palin will not run for president in 2012. She couldn’t control her venues, and would melt like Frosty the Snowman in an Oklahoma July.

    And more importantly, she wouldn’t want to take the pay cut.

    You heard it here first. 😀

  57. Rutherford – Re #62, I left a longer post on the other thread.

    Let’s not forget to ask Tex to explain the difference in the rate of single-parent black families vs white families BEFORE the Great Society.

    Did the Great Society have a retroactive effect? 😀

  58. Double Chin,

    Please see my response on the previous thread. Your progressive lies and distortions have been had and you’ve once again been left with your unfulfilled, mundane, monotonous, tedious, and meaningless existence of blogging and quilting, no matter how you would like to complicate questions with more questions. Hope the “Mexican” food in “Eucha, OK” was better.

    That debate was lengthy but easy. May you have better luck sometime.

    Unfortunately, I see for once you and I will predict the same result concerning Sarah Palin for President, but for different reasons. You’re wrong in your reasoning as is predictable, but right in the final result.

    Sarah Palin won’t run in 2012. It will have nothing to do with venues because it now readily apparent that Sarah Palin couldn’t be any more unqualified or do a poorer job than President Bongo the Noodle Arm – even if she made the attempt.

    Bongo was elected President for many reasons, not the least of which has now been proven without a shadow of a doubt that the venues in which Bongo participated that preceded the election were beautifully controlled by a sympathetic and corrupt mainstream media, against a brain dead candidate named McCain. As Bongo falls, so does the MSM – a twofer of which I am thoroughly enjoying watch fall from their lofty perch, head first into the rocks below. It will end in an ugly result for both. That indeed send a tingle up my leg. 🙂

    Sarah Palin will not run because there are more qualified candidates available and she will determine she is far more effective at getting people to the polls to vote for her adversary’s opponent. In the end, it will continue to remain you that is still you left with your gray head stuck up in your rectum, living the life of, of, of, blogging and quilting on a dying lake.

  59. Palin will run.She’ll do so as the reluctant candidate ala Newts failed “draft Newt” campaign of 08. This way she doesn’t lose on the point Tex correctly points out ie energy and turnout.

  60. I think that the Republican nominee in 2012 will be someone who most Americans have never heard of as of today.

    All the Republicans being mentioned as possible candidates already have much lower approval ratings than the President they hope to replace.

    Newt would LOVE to run for president. But he can’t – too much old baggage.

  61. Unless the Republican party is dumb enough to stick some fossil for candidate like Bob Dole or John McCain, Bongo is beat and I think he’ll get beat convincingly – by much more than he won by in 2008. The news gets worse from here because of uncontrolled spending debt, appeasing enemies, continued underemployment, foreign hostility, and the most glaring fact Bongo couldn’t run a fruit stand competently.

    Bomba a mouth full of graceful and meaningless platitudes and nothing else but fool.

    Approval ratings mean little at this minute. What does matter is Bongo’s overwhelming disapproval ratings. Sixty percent of the country as turned against the Noodle Arm with a penchant for wearing lady jeans. JFK turned gangsta rap, kickins sum ass.

    Of course, I never discount the fact that RINOs will again emerge to screw a good thing up. We need to continue in November to removed them to purgatory.

  62. It turns out that South Carolina uses ES&S e-voting machines. ES&S has a long history of problems with its e-voting machines. Here are just a few highlights (there are a lot more where these came from). ES&S machines have lost votes in Florida. The company gave California machines that were not certified. After stalling, it finally let security experts review its machines, which were found to be severely lacking, leading California to decertify machines (yes, remember this is the same state that was also given machines that weren’t certified in the first place!). In one election ES&S gave the vote tallies to a totally different election. People using ES&S machines have found that they voted for the wrong candidate. It’s also quite easy for anyone to recalibrate certain ES&S machines, so that it’s easier for people to make mistakes while voting. In South Dakota, ES&S machines added thousands of phantom votes. And then there’s Kentucky, where officials were recently arrested for using the confusing interface of ES&S e-voting machines to get people to leave the polling place before submitting their votes, so those officials could change their votes.

    And to think that some people lie awake at night worrying that someone, somewhere might cast an ineligible ballot!

    But Hans von Spaskovsky wouldn’t have the slightest concern about e-voting irregularities.

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