American Abortion Hypocrisy

Passage of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) touched a lot of hot buttons among advocates and the opposition. One of the final thorny issues right up to the weekend that the bill passed was whether or not the bill properly honored the Hyde Amendment. It took a Presidential signing statement to appease Representative Bart Stupak and convince him to vote for the bill. The entire affair highlighted for me two levels of hypocrisy within our country where abortion is concerned.

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Let’s start at the legislative level. Roe v. Wade in 1973 established that first trimester abortions were legal in the United States without restriction. Yet in 1976 an appropriations bill rider sponsored by Representative Henry Hyde restricted federal funding of abortion (primarily via Medicaid) without restriction. The wording of the amendment was subsequently changed to allow federal funding in the case of rape, incest or risk of mother’s life. This is where the first layer of hypocrisy arises. If Roe v. Wade does not make distinctions for first trimester abortions, why should the Hyde Amendment? One answer of course is that without the Hyde Amendment, the tax dollars of pro-life people would be going toward abortions. However I say, so what? We do not, on an individual basis decide how our tax dollars are used. I personally might like less of my tax money used for the military but ultimately I have no choice in the matter. From what I can see, the Hyde Amendment makes a value judgment that directly contradicts Roe v. Wade. Either first trimester abortions are legal or they are not. If they are legal, there should be no judgment restricting the funding of them.

But the typical wording of the Hyde Amendment, “except in cases of rape or incest”, raises a deeper level of hypocrisy of which many if not most pro-life advocates are guilty. If we agree that life begins at conception, then from my perspective the only viable reason to terminate a pregnancy is to save the life of the mother. The life inside the mother did not choose to be conceived under the circumstances of rape or incest. To terminate that life is to hold against that life a circumstance for which it was not responsible. The counter argument is that the mother and potentially the child may  suffer irreparable psychological harm if the pregnancy is carried to term. Is this potential worth terminating a life? I would say not.

I maintain that the rape and incest exceptions are deeply rooted in America’s sexual hangups. Now I am hardly advocating rape and incest as normal sexual choices but I suspect that other countries in which sex is not viewed as shameful, have a much more mature and reasoned approach to these issues. Both should be viewed as unfortunate events but not life ending events. There can be healing. There are of course genetic health issues related to incest but even that is not a compelling reason for abortion in my judgment. As a disabled person I am particularly sensitive to the notion that some babies are worth being born and some are not.

Frankly, I think our country wants to have its cake and eat it too. Either the Hyde Amendment should be dropped or Roe v. Wade should be overturned.

Postscript: Despite all my reservations about abortion there is primarily one reason why I end up on the pro-choice side of the argument. I cannot abide the notion that a legislative body that is a good 70% male will dictate a biological outcome for a situation that is uniquely female. No man has ever faced nor will ever face the choice of terminating a pregnancy. Perhaps when NOW (National Organization for Women) and the League of Women Voters comes down on the pro-life side of the argument, then so will I.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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129 thoughts on “American Abortion Hypocrisy

  1. To your first point: Allowing something doesn’t mean that we have to fund it.

    Your point about pacifists funding the military is valid. So, repeal the Hyde Amendment if you can get the votes to do it.

    While Roe v. Wade strikes down laws restricting abortion, it in no way mandates federal funding.

    Just like the right to bear arms doesn’t entitle a person to a government-provided gun.

    To your second point: Since I’m not guilty of that inconsistency, I’ll leave it to those who are to try to explain that.

    “Either the Hyde Amendment should be dropped or Roe v. Wade should be overturned.”

    I think that most people would agree with that. The trick comes in that we don’t all agree on which, and so neither is happening in the foreseeable future.

  2. Only in the case of saving the mothers life would I agree with a late term abortion. Partial birth abortions should be banned. Federal dollars can be used to fund abortions due to rape or incest. Parental notification of anyone below 18 is mandatory.

  3. While Roe v. Wade strikes down laws restricting abortion, it in no way mandates federal funding.

    You’re absolutely right, and I didn’t intend to imply that. What I’m saying is that the Hyde Amendment implicitly makes a value judgment about abortion by refusing to fund it (under certain circumstances) and it is this value judgment that flies in the face of Roe.

    From your avatar, Ken, I’ve got a pretty good guess as to your former identity which I won’t reveal here. Suffice it to say, it’s good to have you back. I always valued your reasoned civil discourse and I missed it when you went away, especially since there have been a topic or two that I would suspect are of interest to you. Don’t be a stranger.

  4. I’d like to suggest another notion not brought up in the main article. Just as we define (at least on a State level) when one is considered an adult, why can we not legally define (preferably on a national level) when one is considered a human being? What lies at the heart of this debate is that one side says life begins at conception and the other says life begins at birth. Why is it so unreasonable to make a legal assessment of this as the basis for any other legislation? In Roe, the Supreme Court sort of did this by making distinctions by trimester but I don’t think this goes far enough. The only way to give an embryo legal rights is to establish this by legal definition. Then the legislation follows easily from that.

  5. On a related but slightly off topic, the other day I was talking to a friend of mine who runs an adoption agency and she told me something that really made my blood boil. She stated this objectively and non-judgmentally but I will not be so restrained.

    Basically, Americans are so f*cking shallow that they will not adopt special needs children, and here is the kicker, these American children are being adopted by European families who want to have a baby, not a “PERFECT” baby, but a baby that they can love and nurture.

    It truly makes me sick to my stomach that American families are using adoption to fulfill some kind of sick fantasy of raising the “ideal” child who will grow up to be 6 foot 2 with eyes of blue and anything short of that perfection they don’t want to touch. So much so that we are exporting our “unwanted” children.

    Of course, we must remind ourselves that prior to HCR being passed, American families did have to take into account how a special needs child would complicate their insurance situation and their finances. Many European countries don’t have that concern.

  6. Oh, no secret. Yes, I’m Wickle. That’s why I use the same gravatar. I’m using my real name (or something closer to it) rather than the pseudonym … sorry, I hadn’t realized that it had been so long since I’ve commented here that I hadn’t talked about that.

  7. Ken, you’ve been gone so long you don’t even know that Elric is gone. Temporarily banned by me and now he wishes not to return. It’s been a great loss. 😦 ( 😉 )

  8. BiW interesting point. The rape is almost impossible to “prove” in the absence of an arrested perp. In fact “Jane Roe” initially claimed to have been raped but then recanted from what I understand.

    I’m no doctor but I would assume it is also impossible to test paternity in the first trimester, making even the incest claim hard to prove objectively.

    I don’t know whether it is pro-life propaganda but interestingly I read that both Jane Roe and “Mary Doe” (in a related case that was decided the same day as Roe v. Wade) felt they were exploited by the court cases and both claimed in later years to be pro-life.

  9. Rutherford you flirt with too many variables in this post. Except for the closing statement one can take your authored points and honestly wonder where the hell you’re coming from.

    On Hyde et al. I’ll just agree with wk
    On the rest you’ve lost me as noted earlier. There is a definite point on the pro life spectrum where you see people not accepting abortion. You even seem to flirt with that notion through your emotions based standing.
    With all due respect to your real world friend I am not buying into that. There is no end of agencies here in the USA selling babies of every stripe and status. I use the word selling since I oppose adoption. The USA is also not a signatory of the be all adoption constitution for lack of a better word so I doubt we’re shipping anyone out. I will give you this though. Americans are the guiltiest when it comes to baby crazy. We’ll take anything as long as it’s a baby. 5 year old? f%$& that! we say!

  10. The USA is also not a signatory of the be all adoption constitution for lack of a better word… My bad I guess we’ve always been a signatory but only recently ratified it. Still….

  11. Totally off topic comment:

    Thanks to Alfie for the review of my blog on your blogroll. Very fair assessment and I might well take you up on that idea for the BTR advertisement. 😉

  12. [Only in the case of saving the mothers life would I agree with a late term abortion.]

    C-sections terminate a pregnancy. It is a myth there is ever a need for a late term abortion.

  13. Alfie let me put my friends comment in context particularly since I editorialized where she did not.

    Her agency is seeking to maintain international accreditation so that they can continue to facilitate legal adoptions of American children by European families. She’s been in this “business” for quite some time so when she says that special needs children are hard to adopt in the US, I believe her. I’ve also observed the process myself independently and waiting lists for blond white babies are longer here than for others.

    You did say something that fascinated me. You oppose abortion (I think, right?) AND you oppose adoption. Isn’t that quite the catch-22?

  14. I was thinking about a post on the subject but sure I’ll blow the plot here.
    I categorize myself as pro choice. My choice is to not ever choose abortion. I also choose to educate people about biology in the hopes they never need/want one either. In cases of rape I cannot abide by sentencing the female with a 9 month cherry on top of rape sundae.
    On adoption I like the idea but in practice it is a disgusting,corrupt and morally bankrupt kind of thing. The baby crazy component particularly bothers me. My post when it hits will be titled Adoption=Slavery!?. (punctuation intentional)

  15. Cotton, I didn’t fully follow. You’re saying that a “safe” C-section is the alternative to late stage abortion under every circumstance? Isn’t it possible that the c-section might endanger the mother’s life more than some other alternative?

  16. Alfie, I look forward to your post.

    There is a definite point on the pro life spectrum where you see people not accepting abortion. You even seem to flirt with that notion through your emotions based standing.

    I have been mis-characterized on this blog as some raving pro-choice fanatic so I understand your confusion.

    I have always had the following belief:
    1) People who call fertilized eggs babies are loony tunes. This does not mean I favor killing fertilized eggs. It means I demand intellectual honesty.

    2) I believe based on my own standards that a woman who gets pregnant should carry the baby to term unless her life is at risk. If my daughter got pregnant I would be very upset about her having an abortion.

    3) I recognize that I cannot possibly know the conflict and heartache involved in this decision as I do not own a womb. Therefore, outside of my own family I prefer to reserve judgment and therefore I cannot support the government (primarily composed of males) enforcing its judgment on women.

    I don’t think that is too hard to understand.

  17. C-sections terminate a pregnancy. It is a myth there is ever a need for a late term abortion

    A caesarian section is a surgical procedure to deliver a baby that maybe in a breech position. It does not terminate a pregnancy. That is called an abortion.

  18. Just curious, but what is a fertilized egg if not a baby? Tell me, when does that fertilized egg become a baby?

    G, you’ve gone down this road before and it totally baffles me.

    Let me spell it out for you as clearly as possible. The next time you go into IHOP and order eggs for breakfast, please tell me if they serve you chicken. That will be your answer.

    On a side note, I played repeatedly with your YouTube link to try to get the video to embed in the comment and for reasons I don’t understand it just isn’t working. I think WordPress doesn’t like the underscore in the video id. So, it remains as a link. My apologies.

  19. Curator I think Cotton is using the word “terminate” in its most literal sense. In other words, the birth of a baby does terminate a pregnancy since when the baby is born, the pregnancy ends (terminates). I think we commonly substitute “terminate the pregnancy” for the more accurate “prematurely terminate the pregnancy.”

    Cotton, if I’ve misrepresented your point, please correct me.

  20. Now G, here is the problem with the ambush of Franken. The interviewer from what I can see pulls 7 billion dollars out of his ass. This is what Franken tells him but the dude is too eager to score points.

    This will probably only make you feel worse, but it is thanks to Franken that we have a law at all. After the Brown win in Massachusetts, the libs were pretty much ready to throw in the towel until Franken confronted the White House.

    By the way, you don’t find it incredibly immature that the reporter addressed Franken as “Senator Smalley”? Part of the problem is you guys need to grow the f*ck up.

  21. G, the father’s opinion (assuming he didn’t bail) is absolutely important in the decision. No doubt about that. However, since he doesn’t have the womb, he doesn’t get the last word in my estimation.

  22. [A caesarian section is a surgical procedure to deliver a baby that maybe in a breech position. It does not terminate a pregnancy. That is called an abortion.]

    Curator, I don’t know if you are trained in the medical sciences, so what do you think happens when a baby is delivered the Caesarean section? The pregnancy continues? LOL

    What a maroon…

  23. Curator, you dumbass!!!

    A caesarian section is a surgical procedure to deliver a baby that maybe in a breech position. It does not terminate a pregnancy. That is called an abortion.

    What the hell is this? 😆 😆

    So is delivering a baby vaginally also called an abortion Private Pyle because that terminates a pregnancy?

    I’ll bet between that dummy Sandi stating there is no such thing as a hermaphrodite and you making blatantly stupid statements like this, Rutherford must cringe to think he’s on your side when you publish shit.

    Cotton Seed, we don’t call Curator “Wally” for nothing.

  24. I believe the eggs you eat at IHOP are unfertilized. But tell me this, assuming they were fertilized, and we let them grow, do they turn into an omelet?

    This is what I asked you, if a fertilized egg doesn’t count, then tell me when it does. I want you to tell me the distinction between the two and what potential variations will come from the fertilized.

    This should be pretty clear, we consider conception the starting point to human life because it NEVER occurs before and (provided things are healthy) ALWAYS produces a HUMAN. It is the point in which life begins.

    You can argue that it is just a ball of cells, but that ball of cells contains just as much DNA as you or I and it will become nothing more, or less than you or I. That’s life…

  25. I’m no doctor but I would assume it is also impossible to test paternity in the first trimester, making even the incest claim hard to prove objectively.

    All you need is a few single cells and those can be obtained by conducting Chorionic Villus Sampling (CVS) about the 8th week.

    Not recommended, but you an do it.

  26. For those who piled on Curator, please see my comment above. Most folks loosely use the phrase “terminate a pregnancy” when they mean to say “prematurely terminate a pregnancy” or worse “terminate an embryo/fetus”. I don’t think Curator realized that Cotton was being literal in the use of the word terminate.

    Speaking of Cotton … just a hint about WordPress. When you change your email address every time you post a comment, WP throws you into moderation and your comment won’t see the light of day until I get a chance to approve it. So, Cotton pick an email address and stick to it … preferably not “curatorisadumbass@aol.com”. Thank you.

  27. Curator, I don’t know if you are trained in the medical sciences, so what do you think happens when a baby is delivered the Caesarean section? The pregnancy continues? LOL

    Please Google “terminate pregnancy” and see how many come back referencing abortion. How many did you get? 99% or 100%

    I can’t think of anyone who would equate a c-section with a “termination” of a pregnancy, or at least uses it in that context. You ask anyone and they would probably say I gave birth via c-section.

    So is delivering a baby vaginally also called an abortion
    Would you call giving birth vaginally, terminating a pregnancy? Of course not. No wonder you flunked out of medical school.

    termination = See results for: abortion

    But you all go ahead and listen to the med school flunky.

  28. In other news…

    Did you guys hear that right-wing heavyweight Tony Perkins from the Family Research Council just said “Don’t give money to the RNC”.

    What a bombshell. More ROI from the Michael Steele Comedy Hour.

    He instead wants conservatives to “give directly to candidates who you know reflect your values.”

    I wonder if he means David Vitter, John Ensign or Mark Sanford?

  29. LOL Ok G, you’ve got me on the unfertilized IHOP egg. I did have to chuckle about that one. Let’s try another:

    You’ve got two flat boards of wood, four posts, some cotton and some cloth and you point at it and say “hey, look at my chair”. I look at you like you’re a lunatic. Clearly you have all the ingredients to make a chair, but it ain’t a chair until I can sit on it.

    There are two approaches here. Biologically, I think it makes sense to call a fetus a “baby” when it can live outside the womb. Technically, until it emerges from the vagina, it is a fetus. But I would agree that going in and terminating the life of a viable fetus is pretty much equivalent to infanticide. I call a baby, something I can hold, swaddle, feed and change diapers on. Just like a chair is something I can sit on.

    The second approach ignores biology and relies on human emotion. There is absolutely no doubt that the minute the average couple discovers they are going to have a baby, that “mass of cells” inside the mother is considered their baby. When a miscarriage occurs, regardless of what stage of pregnancy, the couple understandably feels like they have lost their baby.

    So, I ask you G, do you want to have a biological argument or an emotional one?

  30. Curator, ain’t the GOP a major kick? They crack me up. How you like Fox news recycling old interviews and claiming it’s new material for Sarah Palin’s special. LL Cool J said Fox never even contacted him to tell him they were repackaging his interview under the Palin umbrella. He said “thanks but no thanks.” ROTFLMAO! 😆 (Why is just about everything attached to Sarah Palin a lie of some sort or another?)

    As to the “terminate” … yeah Cotton and Tex are playing fast and loose and being disingenuous about their use of the word. They know full well that when most people say “terminate a pregnancy” they mean abort. This is the typical GOPher move of playing dumb and bringing all the other dummies along with you (protest signs waving in the air).

  31. IHOP eggs don’t have a heartbeat.
    As for the GOP/RNC thing. I’m glad to see the leftists coming out true to form. First the Repubs were douches because we picked him. Now we’re douches because we think he has failed miserably.

  32. Rutherford, I”ll address only you because Curator is too dense to understand simple concepts like basic biology and words like “to term” or “termination”. Cotton used the word correctly, and short dick still can’t figure it out, once again demonstrating the shallowness and lack of breadth concerning anything besides the ability to cut and paste. 🙂

    Cotton, you ought to try and talk macro economics with Wally. Zoo animals are more robust in conversation.

    Rutherford, you do understand that the word fetus in used incorrectly with respect to development, don’t you? Fetus means suckling mammal – as in already born. In Latin, the word was adapted to represent unborn child.

    Now I am going to give you some basic facts here about the typical abortion at 12 weeks. First, all organs are formed. If you were to yank a “fetus” out of the womb for observation, the phenotype would look like a miniature you – limbs, ears, nose, beating heart, etc…about the only thing non functioning are a lack of development of the lungs, much of which happens after birth. There’s movement and placement of organs and blood supply, but for all intents and purposes, everything is there.

    Now I recognize a self-indulgent and flawed buffoon like Wally would find no value in a “fetus”, and in fact am somewhat surprised Wally isn’t employed in it. But I was hoping, especially considering your particular situation, you might demonstrate a larger degree of reasonableness concerning why most good souls really cringe at aborting this 12 week “product of conception.”

    I know you’re really big on “it’s the woman’s choice.” But since the only real victim in all but the rarest of circumstances in not the woman but the “fetus”, and in half of those terminations the sex is male, all with a unique genome different than the mother, I’m just wondering who speaks for the sentence of death for those that don’t yet have a voice?

    You always are preaching about the rights of the less fortunate and unrepresented. So how do you reconcile your “intense” protection of rights for the unfortunate, innocent walking amongst us those that the evil Republicans wish to die, but you can find little voice for that which is most innocent and helpless of all?

  33. Please Google “terminate pregnancy” and see how many come back referencing abortion. How many did you get? 99% or 100%

    Google is now a substitution for medical journals! No wonder you’re so screwed up. I hope you’re not providing a diagnosis for your family. 🙄

    Let me give you a head’s up Wally so you don’t sound like a moron further. What makes this worse is I’m having to give you facts concerning your own job, hopefully proving to Rutherford once and for all, you’re so far down the corporate ladder, the only way to go is up. You’re an administrative shill Wally.

    Here’s how it works…

    At best, you go on probation and if you care to make a wager again (which you never have the balls to do), I will happily prove I was never on probation in medical school. I did take a leave of absence, which I then chose not to continue with the curriculum, in part due to economic return, in part due to Bongo Care. I never “flunked” anything as you receive either a passing mark, or you fail. Scores are only used to determine class rank, where upon leaving I stood at about the class average. Again, I would be happy to prove this and forgo my anonymity if you are willing to stake your house on it. 🙂

    Go talk to a doctor and get back with me where I will make an attempt to educate you. Maybe even better than that Devry Masters you’re attempting to receive through the mail. I hope you took my advice before I left.

  34. ahhhh I’m gonna side with Curator on one point. the comment from Cotton at # 13
    C-sections terminate a pregnancy. It is a myth there is ever a need for a late term abortion. can obviously be taken as Curator has.
    Another way it could be taken is thus:
    The State has the right to dictate that a person undergoes a surgical procedure,against their will, and then what? the State takes the kids? Force the mother to take them?
    I think there is an oversimplification afoot here regards late term abortion.

  35. True that Rutherford. They need to fabricate a public image of half-term Sarah Palin as anything but a teabagger racist, so they lifted an old interview of hip hop artist and actor LLCool J!?!?!?

    Did you read Fox’s reply when Cool J told them to go fuck themselves?

    …we are cutting his interview from the special and wish him the best with his fledgling acting career.”

    Maybe Palin’s dumbass can have a few more black guests and figure out that Africa is a continent, not a country…. it may help her fledgling political career.

  36. keep in mind this comes from someone that dislikes Palin with some passion
    there is indeed some misrepresentation going on and it looks like it’s Rutherford and Curator.
    The show Palin is scheduled to host isn’t about interviews. It is about showing inspirational stories. One would assume the life stories of Cool J,Keith and Welch (the three seen in ad) provide some inspiration.
    You two silly boys get a time out -NOW!

  37. I don’t need to defend Cotton, but when you hear the word termination concerning a pregnancy, there are any number of ways a pregnancy is terminated, with the three most common being (1) birth, 2) miscarriage, (3) abortion. Termination is the final stage of pregnancy.

    And I know exactly what Cotton was saying, as there is no viable reason for any abortion once the baby is viable outside the womb, near the end of the 2nd trimester as a C-section stops the pregnancy.

  38. Here’s a great article describing the abject insincerity and filthy, lying nature of Wally and Co.. When you can’t debate the issues, find somebody to demonize and use the empty cry of racism as you trump up your charges. Dinosaur media isn’t going to win this one Rutherford…

    Krugman, King, Blow, and Rich: Blinded by Hatred of Tea Partiers

    Millions of law-abiding, peaceful, middle-aged female protesters, and they see firehoses and “good ol’ boys.”

    He remembered a frantic Autherine Lucy, as she was pelted with eggs and slurs as she dared become the first black student at the University of Alabama. The echoes of jeers hurled at the Little Rock Nine haunt his fevered memory and come alive as his poisoned pen seeks revenge. He recalls — much more recently — the sullen, dim-witted fury of Klansmen listening to David Duke shriek about white power in Metaire, Louisiana, as he ran for the governor’s office (and captured 55% of the white vote) in 1991.

    Colbert I. King, Washington Post columnist, looks out his window and sees Klansmen again … in the faces of SUV-driving mothers, cherubic children, in the pained gait of Korea and Vietnam veterans who once again see a need to serve their country, and in homemade signs that read “I’m only 11…why am I paying your mortgage?”

    Grandma letting loose with the pit bulls and holding the water hose on these po po black folk. 😆

    http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/krugman-king-blow-and-rich-blinded-by-hatred-of-tea-partiers/#comments

  39. “Sarah Palin will kick off her new Fox News series with one of the most diverse guest lineups in memory: LL Cool J, Toby Keith, and Jack Welch. The three very different guests will speak to Palin for her inaugural episode of ‘ American Stories ‘ on April 1st.”

    Stock interviews done as much as 2 years ago which Palin had nothing to do with. Is FOX really THAT desperate to lift two year old interviews under the premise of ‘new programming’ just to lend half-term Palin some badly needed credibility?

  40. Perpetual Ubiquitous Disabled (PUD) Rutherford,

    As to the “terminate” … yeah Cotton and Tex are playing fast and loose and being disingenuous about their use of the word. They know full well that when most people say “terminate a pregnancy” they mean abort. This is the typical GOPher move of playing dumb and bringing all the other dummies along with you (protest signs waving in the air).

    Disabled and “victimized” dunce cap. It’s a perfectly good use of a medical term and the fact you don’t recognize that doesn’t stop it from being truth. Stop trying to suck the small knob of Wally to make a new and much required friend. Push comes to shove, the self-indulgence of AWOL Wally will leave you hanging if he feels threatened, as his deluded rants of grandeur attest.

    What’s great about AWallyOL is the more you insult his lack of wit, the tighter his lips get. It’s like a living, breathing punching bag with a mouth. 🙂

  41. Blinded by Hatred of Tea Partiers

    I think that the most vocal critiques, screaming at the top of their lungs, from the tea party Republicans are race based, while the majority of those opposed to the healthcare bill has nothing to do with race. There is a certain segment of the Republican party, and we saw them during the 2008 election, that will NEVER trust Obama. They hate him because he is black, or they think he’s Muslim, or whatever. They just hate Obama, and they always will. I think it is irrational dangerous hate, plain and simple. These people are the face of the tea party. They are the core. They’re fucking crazy. They hate healthcare because Obama proposed it, even though the list is loooong of GOP politicians with presidential aspirations who had the individual mandate in their healthcare plan as well. If this same bill was proposed by GW Bush, it would be unpatriotic to speak ill of it. They’re hypocrites blinded by their own hate. Tea party GOPhers think this healthcare bill only helps the poor poverty class and we all know what color Teabaggers see them as. Those no account, un-motivated, black welfare kings and queens living off the Guv’ment dime.

  42. First Tex, what’s with all the disabled references lately? On the one hand I know you’re doing it to get my goat, on the other hand it’s a new tactic … did the passing of “ObamaCare” really make you that unhinged that you need to resort to the easiest and dumbest put-down? (Oh, and do I understand you partly blamed ObamaCare for discontinuing your med school education? That does not compute, especially in light of the fact that I still have the comment where you announced your decision. Obama never mentioned …. frustration with asshole fellow students was one major factor, plus some others.)

    OK, now to the meat …. Tex, first I do have a question about the C-section. Could it ever be possible for a c-section to put a woman’s life in graver danger than some alternative means of childbirth? I’m just asking.

    Second, you can yell and scream all you want about “terminate a pregnancy”. You know full well you are full of sh*t. Neither you nor I ever met a man who said “Congratulate me! My wife’s pregnancy terminated yesterday and I am the proud father of a bouncing baby boy.”

    Fact is, if you bothered to read the thread carefully, I defended Cotton’s wording at first because I knew he was using the word “terminate” very literally. But the fact remains that Curator is right about common parlance

    and you know it.

    Rutherford, you do understand that the word fetus in used incorrectly with respect to development, don’t you? Fetus means suckling mammal – as in already born. In Latin, the word was adapted to represent unborn child.

    Finally, Tex, please dispense with lessons in Latin. A fetus is:

    In humans, the unborn young from the end of the eighth week after conception to the moment of birth, as distinguished from the earlier embryo.

    So if you walk the halls of any med school and call a fetus a suckling live mammal you’ll be called a dumbass (either in English or in Latin) and I know that having only watched a few seasons of “House”. 🙂

    To Alfie … Curator pulled a gem of a quote off the Fox web site which answers your comment. Fox was (again) trying to fool the public and they got caught when LL didn’t just say no, to quote Sarah, he said “hell no!” 🙂

  43. Tex your incredible comment about the definition of fetus (which ranks right up there with Sandi’s hermaphrodite) so blew me away I didn’t read through the rest of the comment.

    Fetus at 13 weeks: http://www.religioustolerance.org/fetus12.jpg

    Please tell me what healthy baby you ever saw who looked like that. Sorry, that is no miniature version of anyone.

    Tex, as I said to Gorilla earlier in this thread, a fetus is loved and cherished by the folks who conceived it and anyone else who cares about those people. I would also agree it is terribly unfair not to let that fetus develop and get a shot at life.

    The unfortunate truth is the fetus inhabits the body of an independent, living breathing human being. Are you ready to prosecute women who do not engage in proper prenatal care? How bout women who take drugs while pregnant … should they be arrested for assault? How far are you willing to take this “fetus has rights” argument?

  44. You know Rutherford…

    for an Ivy league wannabee elite, you are one of the most terrifically dumb people I’ve ever met. Now I know I have complimented you in the past for you writing, and it is nicely done, but your overall base of knowledge would rank with what my children were sometime around 14 years of age – I shit you not. It’s almost sometimes as if I am debating a teenager which is exactly why I don’t really debate with you and Wally – I mock. You’re both one step above Sandi H.

    Would you please read this dummy explaining the etymology of the word fetus. Damn, Wally could have Googled this.

    fetus
    late 14c., from L. fetus “the bearing, bringing forth, or hatching of young,” from L. base *fe- “to generate, bear,” also “to suck, suckle” (see fecund). In L., this was sometimes transferred figuratively to the newborn creature itself, or used in a sense of “offspring, brood” (cf. “Germania quos horrida parturit fetus,” Horace), but this was not the basic meaning. Also used of plants, in the sense of “fruit, produce, shoot.” The spelling foetus is sometimes attempted as a learned Latinism, but it is not historic.

    http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=fetus

    I’ll be back later to rip the rest of your mush. The ignorance deserves an indepth answer you won’t understand, but I’ll make the attempt.

  45. If I dipped you in amniotic fluid which is approximately 70% fetal urine Rutherford, left you there for 22 weeks, what do you think you would look like dimwit if I then delivered you from the womb? Kobe Bryant?

    A real, true life rube who swayed by preconceived bias, and will believe about anything if it comes from leftist on high. Between you and Curator, it’s been months since I have seen an ounce of critical thinking. I think Obama’s failure has ruined your once half bright mind.

    Can you clowns not get out of your PuffHo, NYT group think for one moment and contemplate for yourselves a sense of morality?

    You’re almost becoming an embarrassment.

    You can not believe how uninformed you are.

  46. I just love how this whole “life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness” meme that Dems toss out to defend their health care bill gets thrown right out the window once the topic of abortion comes up.

    Rutherford, its a really simple question…since the lack of a heartbeat equates to death, does not the presence of a heartbeat equate to life?

    (For the record, I am pro-choice. What I am against is sickening liberal hypocrisy)

  47. Rutherford goes to some pro abortion crowd to retrieve his images. Where did you drag that piece of shit up?

    I got the photo from a multi-faith religious web site, LMAO …. hardly pro-abortion. Next to the photo was this description (please tell me if it is inaccurate):

    13 weeks or 3 months: The fetus is about 3 inches long and weighs about an ounce. Fingernails and bones can be seen. Over 90% of all abortions are performed before this stage.

    Also note that it was an ultrasound so it lacked a bit of detail. I’ve put a video at the end of this comment where, again the 12 week pic is a bit fuzzy but granted at 16 weeks what we have looks human.

    Going back one comment …. Tex, why should I care about the etymology? What does it prove? The definition of fetus is still what it is.

    If I dipped you in amniotic fluid which is approximately 70% fetal urine Rutherford, left you there for 22 weeks, what do you think you would look like dimwit if I then delivered you from the womb? Kobe Bryant?

    Hate to nitpick but didn’t you move the goalposts here? We were talking about a 12 week old fetus, not a 22 week old one. So again, your point?

  48. Tex, from your underemployment article:

    A rise in the percentage of part-timers wanting to work full time (from 9.2% to 9.9%) is responsible for the March increase in underemployment. Unemployment saw a slight, but insignificant, decline in March.

    So unemployment basically stayed flat. And I’m sorry but the underemployment number being much higher than the unemployment number falls in the “no sh*t Sherlock” category. We’ve always known that,

  49. “LOL” in all sincerity, could you elaborate on where you see hypocrisy? You tossed out “life liberty and pursuit of happiness”. Is it not true that the liberty of the mother and the liberty of the fetus can sometimes be in conflict?

    I like your heartbeat idea …. might be a good way to measure when life truly begins.

    I’ll tell you what I find sickening and hypocritical … the folks who care so much about the unborn but don’t give two sh*t’s about infant care, head start, proper education and development of children.

    Why exactly are you pro-choice and do you think being conservative somehow makes your pro-choice stance more authentic?

  50. I got the photo from a multi-faith religious web site, LMAO …. hardly pro-abortion. Next to the photo was this description (please tell me if it is inaccurate):

    Incredible idiocy. Darwin award type stuff coming from the Ivy League graduate. Come on dummy, find something more sophisticated than that mess. There’s a gazillion pictures available and you find something that looks like it was photocopied six million times from a paper cut out. :evill:

    Do you know what the religious tolerance website is Rutherford L ucifer? It’s a way left, shill organization of interfaith Pelosi (my new word for B.S) supporting amongst other things gay marriage, Muslim rights, secular Judaism (a misnomer), “ABORTION”, and used as a general slam on Orthodox Christianity and Conservative Judaism. This is the kind of shit Jeremiah Wright, sharia types, humanists, gay Episcopalian priests, and John Shelby Spong frequent.

    I used 22 weeks because that is a viable baby – the kind AWOL thinks should be legal to snuff. If you think I should have used 12 weeks, substitute that. You still ain’t going to look like Derek Jeter after swimming in piss. That’s why the phenotype doesn’t look exactly like you (well, maybe it does :lol:)

    And what kind of statement is asking why should you care about the etymology? Because I’m trying to prove to the three stooges that frequent this blog what fetus was meant to mean – not a semantic code word for excusing infanticide in the name of choice. It’s all a game to you as you condone infanticide on predominantly minority babies.

    Who knows. Maybe for my children’s sake so they are not cursed with a Bongo clone for President, I should be marketing abortion.

    I’m telling you – your continual support of Bomba is not only tedious, but a losing proposition. Admit you have buyer’s remorse on this jackboot and find another candidate.

  51. Bongo steals another trillion to finance temporary work and you brag about it being stagnant? 😛

    Oh well, you’re smarter than Porky Pig, also known as Henry Waxman, who threatened to pull executives of companies who wrote down Obama Care in from of Congress – not recognizing Sarbanes Oxley, of which Porky Waxman voted for, requires it.

    That is the very definition of bullying moron Rutherford. You support people who are so dumb, they don’t even remember or know what they vote for. Come on man, start seeing the light.

    You’ll never live this disaster down if you don’t start being honest.

  52. @22 (Rutherford) —

    It’s a valid point. The 24-hour news cycle has not really made us better-informed, it’s just led to more and stupider junk being passed off as news.

    CNN was a great experiment. I’m afraid, in the final analysis, I think we have to concede that it has failed. Sadly, there are now more of those networks.

  53. The operative word in that is not “liberty,” it is “life.”

    With that said, I think the hypocrisy is pretty clear. Don’t you?

    I’m going to keep why I am pro-choice my business. Why I mention it at all is not to try and strengthen my position, but to head off any idea that I am just another anti-abortion advocate (people of which I have no issues with either. Choice means just that…choice) spouting off about my cause in a health care debate.

    I’m not sure if that 2nd paragraph was directed at me. I don’t believe I have insinuated that those are my positions, and I have certainly never stated them directly.

    And to be fair, is it that people don’t care about those issues or do they just disagree with policies on them?

    You must really find it sickening that ObamaCare managed to pass without immediate coverage of children with pre-existing conditions, contrary to the many promises by your President (even after he signed it). Just think how many of those poor children who will die between now and 2014 because legislators couldn’t take the time to thoroughly read over a bill they passed. The White House post office is sure going to be busy with all of those letters that will pour in about it. And of course, they will keep Barry up at night as he reads each one. You think he will read them to us on TV?

  54. I’ll tell you what I find sickening and hypocritical … the folks who care so much about the unborn but don’t give two sh*t’s about infant care, head start, proper education and development of children.

    Rutherford, there is a world of difference between opposing evil, and thinking that it is the FEDERALGOVERNMENT’S job to raise children. That rightfully belongs to the parents andf local government. I know you never met a taxpayer funded entitlement that you didn’t like, but I’m not just making this whole “separation of powers” thing up.

  55. Heartbeat idea basically overturns Roe Rutherford.

    Off topic,not because you have more right to the census square Obama checked,or anything other than me finding it interesting and being interested in your thoughts:
    Juan Williams

  56. Tex posted this link in some thread or another, I forget which one.

    The article by Bob Owens is all fine and well if it weren’t for the fact that folks with offensive signs feel WELCOME at Tea Party events. I’ll take the Tea Party gatherings as a benign responsible bunch when I hear that haters feel so intimated by the masses there that they don’t show up. Otherwise, it’s tacit approval.

  57. Well Alfie that just brings me back to my original assertion. America needs to make up its friggin mind. Is abortion “cool” or not? If it isn’t, criminalize it and move on.

    As for Juan Williams, he’s an odd bird. Easy to write off as an apologist for “the man” but I think he makes an attempt at fair analysis and I give him some props for showing up on FNC despite the fact that it must displease lots of minorities to see him there,

    Here’s the key sentence from Juan’s article that ends the entire argument for me:

    That is despicable and deserving of condemnation. And the leaders of the tea party movement have to be careful about rhetoric that feeds fringe, militia-type anger that leads to violence.

    THAT is the problem. I don’t remember the details but recently the leader of some protest group called for her followers to show up armed and ready to fight. They took her literally and showed up with guns in full view. She promptly disbanded the group, claiming she had been misunderstood by her members. She sets the example of what Tea Party “leaders” (and I know there is no leader … that’s part of the problem) should do. Folks who show up to Tea Party events with signs that call Obama an African animal should feel so worried that the tea partiers will beat the crap out of them, that they don’t show up. Unfortunately, that is not the case. They know that their offensive racist bullsh*t will be tolerated, if not encouraged.

    I’ll tell you the truth Alfie. The problem with Tea Party folks is the same problem with Muslims. 90% of Muslims are law abiding fine people. But hardly a single one will speak out against the 10% radical nutjobs and so the entire group gets smeared. We need someone among the 90% of decent righteous Tea Partiers to openly condemn the 10% nutjobs, or else the entire movement will continue to suffer.

    Unfortunately, Juan Williams wants so badly to be seen as reasonable that he ignores this simple fact.

  58. BiW, one thing you have clarified for me time and again is something that I actually appreciate.

    The other day I was watching MSNBC’s Hardball and Chris Matthews asked some question about the GOP’s answer to health care reform, and you popped into my head. I yelled at the TV, “Chris you don’t get it. The GOP doesn’t need an answer because they feel the federal government shouldn’t be involved in health care reform.”

    So, BiW I ask you, Why do GOP folks say “we have ideas, we’ve contributed ideas”? Why don’t they just say what you have said repeatedly …. that this is not something the Fed should be involved in … period. ?

  59. You must really find it sickening that ObamaCare managed to pass without immediate coverage of children with pre-existing conditions

    Where are you getting this from? Adults will not be covered until 2014. Children will be within the next six months.

    I am aware that the insurance companies are working feverishly to fund loopholes in the law so they can keep screwing people over.

  60. The 24-hour news cycle has not really made us better-informed

    Ken, glad you took the time to watch the video. It was hilarious, and sadly, completely on point!

  61. BIC,

    You ever find it the height of hilarity that Rutherford scolds us for our bias watching FOX News, even challenging a lefty like Juan Williams for appearing, then follows it up with quotes from MSNBC? 🙂

    What is most comical is that somewhere along the line, Rutherford determined he’s fair. Since General Chenzhen retired, I never read a more stilted propagandist than “R”. I think that is what keeps me coming back – to marvel at the delusion.

    It damn sure isn’t the depth in reporting. 😉

  62. So, BiW I ask you, Why do GOP folks say “we have ideas, we’ve contributed ideas”? Why don’t they just say what you have said repeatedly …. that this is not something the Fed should be involved in … period. ?

    Rutherford,
    I’m not a Republican, but I would assume that they get caught up in the same myopic view that the Democrats do…the whole ‘We have the power, we can rebuild it and make it better” bullshit that infects Congress and the Executive.

    I would pay real money from the change that The Chicago Messiah might leave to me to see a Congress that actually doesn’t do anything but pass balanced budgets, reduce the size of government, eliminate entitlements, and leave Americans with enough of their own money to make choices for themselves on how they will live, and what services they will and will not partake of.

    As for Juan Williams, he’s an odd bird. Easy to write off as an apologist for “the man” but I think he makes an attempt at fair analysis and I give him some props for showing up on FNC despite the fact that it must displease lots of minorities to see him there,

    Juan Williams has never been anything more than a lilliputian intellect sloshing around in shoes he will never be big enough to fill, and I knew that back when I was young, dumb, and liberal. This was crystalized for me back in 1995 or 1996 when he still had his show on NPR, and he scored an interview with Tom Clancy, who had just published either Debt of Honor, or Executive Orders. From the first question, it was clear that Juan hadn’t done his homework. Not surprising since both books were really long, and didn’t contain any pictures. About halfway through, Clancy asked him point-blank if he had even read a synopsis of the book. Juan gave a weak excuse about being really busy, and some remarks about no host being prepared all the time. Clancy actually walked out.

  63. when I was young, dumb, and liberal

    Now BiW, the notion that you were once young, I can fathom. That you were once dumb, a possibility. But liberal? Surely you jest.

    You know, I think Curator used to be conservative. Did you two do a body swap? 😉

  64. It damn sure isn’t the depth in reporting.

    Yikes, do I have to go down this road again? Well ok, I guess maybe two or three times a year I need to post a reminder.

    I am not a reporter nor ever claimed to be. I write only two kinds of posts. In some I ask questions without drawing any clear conclusion (that is really what I tried to do in this article) and in the other type of post, I state my opinion. In neither case do I do any reporting.

    If you want unbiased reporting, go to Fox News (GAG) 😆

  65. Hell, I could have pulled the photo from…and you would have had something snarky to say about it.

    In the spirit of Easter, that is probably true. 🙂

  66. “Adults will not be covered until 2014. Children will be within the next six months. ”

    Wrong again.

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Hours after President Barack Obama signed historic health care legislation, a potential problem emerged. Administration officials are now scrambling to fix a gap in highly touted benefits for children.

    Obama made better coverage for children a centerpiece of his health care remake, but it turns out the letter of the law provided a less-than-complete guarantee that kids with health problems would not be shut out of coverage.

    Under the new law, insurance companies still would be able to refuse new coverage to children because of a pre-existing medical problem, said Karen Lightfoot, spokeswoman for the House Energy and Commerce Committee, one of the main congressional panels that wrote the bill Obama signed into law Tuesday.
    ….
    Full protection for children would not come until 2014, said Kate Cyrul, a spokeswoman for the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, another panel that authored the legislation. That’s the same year when insurance companies could no longer deny coverage to any person on account of health problems.

    I already posted this information once here. Maybe you should try getting your information from sources that actually read the bill rather than from the perpetual campaigner with his “Mission Accomplished” banner in tow.

  67. And since you clearly did not read this the last time I posted it here, that means you also didn’t catch the lies your President had to say about it.

    From the link above…

    “This is a patient’s bill of rights on steroids,” the president said Friday at George Mason University in Virginia. “Starting this year, thousands of uninsured Americans with pre-existing conditions will be able to purchase health insurance, some for the very first time. Starting this year, insurance companies will be banned forever from denying coverage to children with pre-existing conditions.”

    And Saturday, addressing House Democrats as they approached a make-or-break vote on the bill, Obama said, “This year … parents who are worried about getting coverage for their children with pre-existing conditions now are assured that insurance companies have to give them coverage — this year.”

    So, to borrow from your radio co-host, there are 3 possibilities why Obama ran around spreading that bullshit after he signed the bill…

    1) He is intellectually challenged and has difficulties with reading comprehension.

    2) He is willingly misrepresenting the language of the bill in order to suit his position.

    3) He got punked like a prison yard bitch by San Fran Nan and Harrry Reid.

    I will leave it to you and your fellow suckers to figure out which is the case.

  68. Read closely, and remember what many of us said about Obama before the election. Rutherford and the other dreamers will of course disagree. Ignore them, as their heads never get above the sand.

    This article is not quite what the headline would leave you to believe, but it is very chilling indeed. This is one time I wish my predictions weren’t coming true.

    I have said previously that Obama has some deep seated personality disorders. And I think signs are now coming to fruition. Obama shows signs of cracking, looks unhealthy, is becoming increasingly incoherent in some of his speeches without script, and doesn’t know how to respond to challenges of his authority.

    None of us actually knows how Obama will react when he finally senses defeat, but you can be assured it will not be pretty for America. Prepare yourselves…

    Understanding Obama: The Making of a Fuehrer

    By Ali Sina, 2008/09/22

    http://www.faithfreedom.org/obama.html

  69. “So, BiW I ask you, Why do GOP folks say “we have ideas, we’ve contributed ideas”? Why don’t they just say what you have said repeatedly …. that this is not something the Fed should be involved in … period. ?” — R

    I’ve been at Busch Gardens for three days, so Here’s where I start.

    Most of the GOP ideas I’ve heard, like removing the state border restrictions on insurance plans, is something the Fed can do that doesn’t violate the Constitution.

    Again, R builds a straw man to destroy in theater to some how show GOP hypocrisy. The Fed has no Constitutional authority to mandate individual health insurance plans- period. It can make it easier for states to work together, but the framers intentionally restricted the feds authority and reserved the VAST amount of authorities to the States.

    Pretty simple really…

  70. Most of the GOP ideas I’ve heard, like removing the state border restrictions on insurance plans, is something the Fed can do that doesn’t violate the Constitution.

    How does that not violate the Constitution? If states have been determining which companies can and cannot do business in their state, or what kinds of insurance will be available (Hello, Massachusetts), then how is the Federal Government telling them that they have to let all insurance companies do business in their states NOT a violation of the tenth amendment? And don’t say “commerce clause”. States have the right to determine what companies can and what companies cannot do business in their state. That is why they can and do authorize domestic business entities and foreign entities to do business within their borders. If the Feds were free to say that a Michigan corporation can do business in Oregon, without Oregon having the final say, then not only do you change established law going back to beginning of the country, but you also turn legal process on its head, because states would not be able to protect their own citizens by gaining jurisdiction over the entities doing business within their borders.

  71. BIC but can’t it be said that restrictions on companies isn’t a good thing. Allowing companies to sell insurance in a state should be up to the consumers more than a state level bureaucrat.If said state bureaucracy stifles that what recourse do you recommend?

  72. I don’t know what happened to my comment so I’ll try again.
    The cross state insurance issue is a good one. Although I appreciate BIC’s points they seem to fail to meet the reality. Mass. is a great example. Our auto insurance premiums are big time regulated.To the point that we had pretty much driven out most insurers. We now have “managed competition”. and literally a couple of nationals came on scene. Do I have to move out of the state because I want more choices?

    The same can be applied to health insurance. We’re looking now to apply price controls on the insurers. The sticky wicket here is our primary insurers are all non profit. I look forward to watching pygmy Deval P do that dance.

    From a law or even Constitutional perspective perhaps someone could answer this:Why is insurance different than credit?

  73. BiW, your answer to Gorilla was interesting. Let me ask you a question and it is not a loaded one.

    What is the mechanism on a Federal level to put States in check when they use their “rights” to behave badly … or counter-productive to the needs and goals of the nation as a whole?

    This to me is the argument of individual rights vs those of the society taken on a more macro scale where the State is the individual and the Fed represents the needs of society as a whole.

    If we leave HCR up to the States, which is I believe your preference, then how do we influence a uniformly positive outcome across the nation?

    If we go back to the 1860’s, didn’t slavery fall under states rights from a commerce perspective? Should we have allowed those states who wished to preserve slavery to do so?

  74. Uh oh! It appears Barry Obama and his sycophants have been less than truthful about number 44’s qualifications and history. It appears The Chicago Messiah may have been less than truthful about past accomplishment and successes…which should come as no surprise, being all of his past records are behind lock and key.

    The real question might be, “why does America put any stock of the truthfulness of liberal professors residing on college campuses today?” They have been proven frauds in the classrooms. Why should we not assume they are frauds in real life too?

    I spent some time with the highest tenured faculty member at Chicago Law a few months back, and he did not have many nice things to say about “Barry.” Obama applied for a position as an adjunct and wasn’t even considered. A few weeks later the law school got a phone call from the Board of Trustees telling them to find him an office, put him on the payroll, and give him a class to teach. The Board told him he didn’t have to be a member of the faculty, but they needed to give him a temporary position. He was never a professor and was hardly an adjunct.

    The other professors hated him because he was lazy, unqualified, never attended any of the faculty meetings, and it was clear that the position was nothing more than a political stepping stool. According to my professor friend, he had the lowest intellectual capacity in the building. He also doubted whether he was legitimately an editor on the Harvard Law Review, because if he was, he would be the first and only editor of an Ivy League law review to never be published while in school (publication is or was a requirement).

    http://theblogprof.blogspot.com/2010/03/chicago-law-school-faculty-hated-obama.html

    And it gets worse for Barry:

    http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2010/03/most-transparent-president-ever-has.html

    Ladies and gentlemen, what we have here in our sitting President is a liar and sham as I mentioned in September 2008, upon meeting Rutherford Lawson. I believe that time has proven me right, and Reverend Rutherford wrong. The foam Greek columns and football stadiums of swooning rubes seem such a distant memory.

  75. More proof that libs are liars – like that Nate Silver clown that Hippie Professor is always dredging up to support progressive failures.

    Here’s the Washington Post actually admitting while trying to spin “it’s a good thing” that unemployment under Obama is actually far higher than is being reported – because see, that proves there is “hope” out there and people again think they might get a job.

    No, what it proves is people are starting to get desperate assholes and Obama has failed them miserably.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/04/AR2010040402964.html

  76. My opinion on selling insurance across state lines is that companies would find the state with the least restrictive laws to locate in, thus undermining consumer protections. The insurer would have to follow the rules and regulations in the state where it is based, not the rules of the state where the consumer or policyholder lives. Who thinks this is a good idea?

    Ever wonder why Delaware is the home to almost all the credit card companies or Connecticut is home to big insurance?

  77. Oh Tex Tex Tex. The fact that Obama was not a law “professor” is old news. Is this the best you can do? And while we’re at it, I’m supposed to just blindly accept a character assassination from someone whose motives are completely unknown?

    Please stop being an ass. For that matter, stop digging up old BS. I guess now that you’ve lost the HCR debate you have no choice but to pull out the old crap.

    Care to post a Jeremiah Wright video for good measure? Don’t bother, I’ll do it for you to give you a grin. I’m in a good mood today.

  78. Old news? That’s brand new Bucko! Personal stories of Barry fibbing. Rutherfro, your messiah was looking bad last weekend. What’s he weighing in? About 130lbs?

    Rambling 17 minute answers as to why taxes are too high? Does Barry really like his voice that much, or does he have a clue to what he’s talking about?

    I’m betting it is a combination of both.

  79. Rutherfro,

    Make sure you read this one for historical accuracy in prediction. Lost the HCR? Buwahahahahaha… Not even you are that naive. Ever since you “won” the HCR debate, my perception is things seem to be spinning more out of control for the heckless, commie loving party. What you “won” was the right to a more sound ass kicking. You need to get with Hippie – he’s more convinced than you that things are going great! 😛

    Understanding Obama: The Making of a Fuehrer

    By Ali Sina, 2008/09/22

    http://www.faithfreedom.org/obama.html

  80. LOL Curator if you think that’s funny … two things Sarah Palin said recently in support of John McCain (both paraphrases by me but close):

    “You know some say John was at that first Tea Party protest.”

    “Cindy McCain confirms that behind every successful man is a surprised woman.”

    The latter quote she ripped off from the wife of the 14th Prime Minister of Canada. I guess it does show that Sarah does read. Of course, reading is a prerequisite to plagiarism.

    Yup, Sarah’s going to joke McCain right out of a job come primary time. ROTFLMAO 😆

  81. Wow Tex, you really are living in the past today. Ali Sina’s overly long article from before the election. How nice of him to say we want to see blacks succeed. This coming from a man who apparently abandoned his own faith:

    Ali Sina is the …founder of Faith Freedom International, the movement of ex-Muslims created to eliminate hate through knowledge and foster amity among all mankind.

    Not sure we need his good wishes.

    News f*cking flash: to you and Ali Sina … you lost the election. It’s ancient history. And you lost the HCR debate. And you’re gonna lose lots more. We’re gonna progress without you. Get on board or out of the way!!!!

    Yeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaa! 🙂

  82. Well Rutherford I don’t know if you’ve a0 gone crazy b) are just having fun w/ Tex c) are all a flutter with you lib buddy Curator.
    I suppose I could add d) I’m just overreaching but I don’t see that one.

    #1. McCain is ahead in the polls and will likely win both the primary and the general for a return to the US Senate. This will be his last term and that will be his hidden theme.
    #2. Are you so Hate Palin that you can’t give her credit to being intellectually capable of using a quote many women have used?
    #3. Losing?

  83. @Rutherford

    You know, I think Curator used to be conservative.

    Never said conservative, but yes I was a Republican once. From 1984 till 1996 I voted with the GOP ticket. Someday I may vote GOP again…. but I don’t see it happening very soon. It may not happen again since the Tea Partiers have self identified themselves as Republican and intend to primary any moderates out of the party.

  84. Curator’s comment about Elric? Credit should be given where due. Yes, AWOL – you called it correctly for once in your miserable life. When I want to gig Rutherford, I do revert to Elric mode. And it is always effective as Rutherford dances around.

    ===============================
    “r”,

    Did you miss how said it was “chilling” that Ali called Obama so correctly before the megalomaniac Clown in Chief was elected? That was the purpose dummy, and finally you caught something accurately, by accident of course.

    Like I’ve told you before Rutherford, you always were myopic. The object is not to win the battle, but to win the war. Each day that goes by, your perceived win looks less and less formidable. Like the small child who must touch an open flame to know fire burns, America is learning the lesson. Obama is indeed a sham and he indeed does burn; chaffs the collective ass probably more descriptive.

    Have your forgotten Rutherford? The one I announced before the election at Chen’s place? I said “If Republicans were to lose, I wanted them to lose big?” I wanted your feckless, cowardly and amoral cronies and snake in charge to win the election in every conceivable way?

    Now you are with out excuse. You can’t hide behind a lame and biased media anymore. Slowly but surely, the life is being choked out of you useful idiots. You can’t use BDS or Iraq as excuse, though you still try. You can’t simply criticize and play propaganda games. You have to perform. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, big brother to Obama, has Obama by the balls and spits in his face. Like watching two deadly snakes do battle. 😛

    And the performance of your messiah has been rotten – abysmal dismal of which even a toad face troll like you can’t deny. Obama and company are useless tools of failure in every regard. Obama is hated in scorned in most circles, laughed at in Europe as the tool of Soros.

    I will show you no blog mercy!

    Yeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaa! 😛

    =============================

    Did you see this split tail throw a baseball during opening day Rutherford? WTH was that? An eephus pitch?

    This blistered hemorrhoid doesn’t even have the sense to be ashamed that he’s demonstrated he has no balls! What kind of a puke throws a rainbow to the catcher? Obama should be impeached for being a pussy.

  85. Honestly Rutherford,

    Doesn’t embarrass you in the least that Obama throws a baseball like Pee Wee Herman? Do you recognize that every despot in the world sees that pitch and immediately assumes America is full of loafer lite queers? That pitch wouldn’t qualify for T-Ball. I’ve never seen a more effeminate puff.

    Is Obama wearing his wife’s ginormous jeans this year? Maybe Michelle’s bulge at the zipper bound Obama up during the windup?

    What’s needed is some Rabbit commentary. He’d know better how describe Obama’s windup. It boggles the mind that a grown man would humiliate himself like that. A national embarrassment in more ways than Obama’s abject awful performance.

  86. Curator=RINO

    BiW,

    I must correct myself because I completely agree with you. The extent of my point vis a vis state lines was in fact the Commerce clause, in the sense that the states honor the premise of the commerce clause.

    I fully believe that the states should manage all health insurance products in their states, however, I also want to see the ability of individuals to have the freedom to purchase other plans. That is not to say the fed should force other state plans on a state, but I think they can help in the negotiation of state requirements to maximize the number of qualifying plans.

    If a state doesn’t want to play, then a state doesn’t have to play, but that is something the state’s voters can bring up with the states leadership.

    This is also not to say that this couldn’t happen now, as it is the states that are preventing, by and large, interstate health insurance commerce. I only see the fed as an enabler, not a forcing function.

  87. On major issues, 48% of voters say that the average Tea Party member is closer to their views than President Barack Obama. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 44% hold the opposite view and believe the president’s views are closer to their own.

    Not surprisingly, Republicans overwhelmingly feel closer to the Tea Party and most Democrats say that their views are more like Obama’s. Among voters not affiliated with either major political party, 50% say they’re closer to the Tea Party while 38% side with the President.
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/april_2010/tea_party_48_obama_44

  88. News f*cking flash: to you and Ali Sina … you lost the election. It’s ancient history. And you lost the HCR debate. And you’re gonna lose lots more. We’re gonna progress without you. Get on board or out of the way!!!!” — R

    What debate? And News Fucking Flash: if the debate is over and you won, then why the FUCK is your idiot in chief campaigning to sell the fucking bill? Your not progressing, you’re about to go over the electoral cliff and you know it.

    Oh, Genius, explain why on 9 out of 10 issues, the GOP is trusted more then Dems and how this translates into Dem success this November? You can begrudge the messenger (Rasmussen) if you like, except that his polls have been by far the most accurate for years, and oh by the way, all the other polls essentially mirror his findings.

    Trust on Issues
    Issue—————Democrats—Republicans

    Economy 37% 49%

    National Security 36% 51%

    Iraq 39% 47%

    Health Care 37% 53%

    Education 40% 43%

    Immigration 34% 47%

    Social Security 36% 48%

    Taxes 34% 52%

    Government Ethics 35% 33%

    Abortion 32% 47%

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/trust_on_issues

  89. Gorilla, far be it from me to disagree with your assessment, but Wally “AWOL” Curator ain’t no RINO. And contrary to his story telling, Wally never has been either.

    AWOL uses that bullshit line so he can pass his liberalism off as well grounded and researched. He’s lying out his ass. IChristian bigot – check; BDS – check; Obama sycophant – check; lefty educational dole – check.

    AWOL is a full fledged toe sucking, Obama pagan. Don’t be fooled by the line of horseshit.

  90. This is too good.

    President Zerobama was asked about his statement of being a White Sox fan since he was a little boy. The interviewer asked him who his favorite player was when he was a kid.

    Zero did NOT answer. He could NOT answer. He evaded for several minutes; a complete blowhard and flim flam. 😆 😆 😆

    “r” – your man is a world class liar. At least Clinton liked girls. 😆

  91. * * * G U F F A W * * *

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    Defend this one Winner Rutherford!

    Listening to this frickin liar and chief! This “LIFETIME” fan never does answer the question. What a completely staged fraud caught holding his small dick in hand!!! Oh, the country is in the best of hands!

  92. Hey, I just noticed my friend Bob (Carpenter) is the first one asking the first questions.

    Cool! A Tex friend making Zero look bad!

  93. Tex you actually telling Gorilla what he should and should not think? I think G can do his own thinking, unless you are shopping for your own lackey Yes men.

  94. No Wally.

    I ain’t telling Gorilla how to think. I’m telling Gorilla from all my dealings with you that you aren’t what you pretend to be and are a well known war blowhard, traitor, liar, and shill. 😉

  95. And for the record…Obama can’t pitch a baseball. He should be impeached…:rolleyes:

    Can’t lead, think or talk without a teleprompter either.

    Impeachment is too good. Obama should be frogmarched to the curb by his nappy head and thrown by the nape of the neck into the street with his bags packed. Then we can begin fumigating and removing the stench out of the Whitehouse..

  96. The President may not have grown up around baseball, but we can all safely assume who and what you grew up around. Still have your white hoods stashed in your attic or do you display them on your mantel. Probably hanging on the gun rack in the back window of your Ford F-150. Don’t forget your monthly dues to stormfront.org

    …bootlick

  97. Bootlick… 😆 On the dash of the F-150.

    But I think you misunderstand the Obama claim pussy. Obama ain’t bragging he can play baseball. He’s claiming to be a lifelong fan that can’t name a player. Classic lying and dreaming up claims of fame, which I’m sure you can appreciate more than most.

    Now I’ll psychoanalyze the Devry Master’s student and sometimes accredited “script writer” in the College IT Dept .

    =====================

    Too wimpy to play sports and a marginal student destined for menial work, Curator joined the Glee Club while in high school. Caught having his fudge packed while wearing red stilettos in the gym showers, Wally was moved to the alternative school for behavioral problems and low grades, thrown in with members of da hood.

    With no friends, no girls, and no luck, Wally tried his best to become a brotha, even accepting the dare to learn a little rap – Ice ice baby. But with little motor coordination skills besides Rosie and the palm, Wally’s rap career was dashed almost before it started. He stole from home to buy dope for the brothas and was accepted as “white” rube.

    Wally joined the service after being booted from home for theft and family shame. Wally was summarily rejected by the troops, fragged for ignorance during the first week. To provide protection for Wally, a kindly officer promoted Wally to head potato peeler and latrine duty private. During off hours, Wally made up great stories of military heroics.

    During his loneliness and contemplating suicide, Satan bestowed upon Wally the base honey pie girl with a sniff of ammonia ‘tang, who he aptly married as she served 22 years in the Force supporting his worthless ass. Life was good for Wally, but he was still lonely for boyish love. To pass time, Wally founded a Colorado chapter of NAMBLA.

    Again caught again having his rump roasted, Wally was discharged Section 8, but with promise of cheap insurance. AWOL then created a blog which no one comments – but it was own and he was proud.

    …Pagan pole smoker and low achiever… 😉

  98. OMG HE CAN’T NAME SOMEONE ON A SPORTS TEAM FROM A PLACE HE SORTOF CAME FROM!

    Hell, I can’t name anyone on the White Sox this year and I was raised in Illinois for the first 20 years of my life. Maybe it’s because the White Sox will suck again this year.

    GO CARDINALS!!

  99. Hell, I can’t name anyone on the White Sox this year and I was raised in Illinois for the first 20 years of my life. Maybe it’s because the White Sox will suck again this year.

    But you’re not claiming to be a lifelong fan numbnuts, including hat in back pocket. You are however, the best lackey I’ve witnessed for Obama. Any excuse will do.

    Not only is Obama incredibly dishonest as a sociopath usually is, I am beginning to think he’s pretty stupid to boot – about one step up from Joe Biden; two steps above you.

  100. But you’re not claiming to be a lifelong fan numbnuts

    And neither was he numbnuts.. or do you just like to gloss over that he said he was an A’s fan when he lived in Hawaii? He didn’t become a Sox’s fan till he moved to Chicago.

    You are a liar….and “stupid to boot”.

  101. AWOL

    Bongo claims to have loved the Sox since before he flunked college. It even says so in the video. Did you enjoy Bongo’s meandering answer with no answer? 🙄 Have you already forgotten last year’s embarrassment on the mound, as Bong wore Michelle’s size 40 jeans with the bulge at the zipper and strolled to the mound in his White Sox jacket?

    it’s so hard to admit when your heroes fail and lie, isn’t it Wally? Like a little boy who lives his life through a pro football team and they just got drilled in the playoffs.

    It must kill a public dole guy like you when someone you worship disappoints so often. Bongo even lies about baseball. You can well imagine the whopper he just told about health care.

  102. I swear this is just too funny. Passage of HCR has so unhinged Tex that he is reduced to dredging up old articles, posting character assassination as fact and the cherry on the sundae, getting his undies in a knot over Obama-as-sportsman.

    Let’s see — lousy baseball player who’s pulling our country out of the ditch vs athlete who put our country in the ditch. Tough call! 🙂

  103. Too wimpy to play sports and a marginal student destined for menial work…

    Lecter strikes again.

    I hope Curator has a sense of humor because some of that rant, Tex, was pretty hilarious. You’re missing your calling dude. Get off your lazy ass and write the great American novel. 😉

  104. Well Rutherford I don’t know if you’ve a0 gone crazy b) are just having fun w/ Tex c) are all a flutter with you lib buddy Curator.
    I suppose I could add d) I’m just overreaching but I don’t see that one

    d) should have been all of the above. 🙂

    Putting aside Sarah’s intellectual capabilities Alfie, do you really think McCain needs her cracking wise about his age and his competence? With current public sentiment, McCain should be thankful that JD Hayworth has scandal in his past. Otherwise, McCain might be toast.

  105. “LOL”, in all fairness I’ve caught Obama mis-speak on the stump about the bill. I think I once saw him say pre-condition discrimination was history without mentioning that adults don’t get this benny until 2014.

    So yes, I’ll admit on occasion Obama has been overly enthusiastic but any errors he’s making pale in comparison to the misrepresentations and lies coming from the right.

  106. already posted this information once here. Maybe you should try getting your information from sources that actually read the bill rather than from the perpetual campaigner with his “Mission Accomplished” banner in tow.

    “LOL” your article on children’s coverage is not as profound as you would suggest. The minute the bill got signed into law, insurance companies got busy looking for loopholes. I think it is perfectly reasonable for Kathleeen Sibelius to address some of the gaps via regulation in the next few months.

  107. Ummm…I don’t think failure to include language counts as a “loophole.”

    Why did Barack Obama sign a bill that did not specifically protect children with pre-existing conditions, even after making that that specific issue a cornerstone of his agrument for it?

    Can you give us any more options than the 3 I listed?

  108. Sorry, I asked that without noticing this laugahable bullshit…

    “So yes, I’ll admit on occasion Obama has been overly enthusiastic but any errors he’s making pale in comparison to the misrepresentations and lies coming from the right.”

    I distinctly remember him selling Ocare on that promise. It went something like this.

    “Now I know I have talked a lot of shit over the last few years to get my current job, and I have only actually kept a small, small portion of the promises I have made. But look, people. My lies are much less severe than the lies you have been told by others. So when you weight the balance of my bullshit compared to the bullshit thrown out by others, you will see that mine both weighs less, smells much more rosey, and mmmm…it’s so tasty, too.”

  109. Damn Rutherford, you must have either found employment, gone off the deep end, started lithium, or gotten laid everyday of the week to be so happy.

    One of us is wrong. Just about when I think Obama is cracking up under the pressure and losing it, you seem to be under the impression everything is just swell, as I know you’re entire existence centers around Bomba’s well being.

    You really think this punk is restoring the country? Really? 🙂 What in the hell have I missed in the news? Looks to me like things are going to hell-in-a-handbasket really quickly. Jobs market still sucks, interest rates threaten to rise, and Bongo’s poll numbers in the toilet, beginning to look like a possible historical route in November, and our enemies now laughing at us, with our allies all but abandoning us. Tell me you haven’t gone insane yet?

    Yeah, I will see you in November old friend. And unless I’m very wrong, either you’ve converted, or you’re going to be sorely disappointed.

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