Whatever Happened to Facts

Am I a romantic or was there a time when there were such things as facts? Seems to me there was a time when I was much younger when you could say things that were simply not disputable.

The Earth is round.
Water is a liquid.
Rain falls out of the sky.

Then things got a bit more sophisticated but facts were still facts.

George Washington was our first President.
The Civil War was fought between North and South over the central issue of slavery.
The Great Depression started in 1929.

Even if we go a bit deeper, still a fact, our country was founded on separation of church and state to protect religious freedom and prevent the establishment of a state religion.

These were all things we could count on as common knowledge. We could have discussions amongst ourselves and know that folks who denied plain facts were either ignorant or crazy.

Two exchanges that I witnessed in the past 24 hours reinforce for me that facts are now dead.

The first occurred between two of my readers in the comments section.

Well, [the Obama administration] could have saved the lives of 47,000 people annually who die because they don’t have insurance [if they had passed health care reform].

To which the retort was:

I’ve done some looking on the 47k thing. You really like that number don’t you? I personally find the number to be unbelievable and a discredit to anything it is attached to.

This conclusion was backed up by its own numerical spin.

How can we debate what is at stake in health care if we cannot agree on the basic numbers? There was a time when the best way to defend an argument was to quantify it. We now live in an age where any stat I offer up will be challenged as false.

The other example was an exchange between Marc Thiessen and Daniel Freedman on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe”. Thiessen’s new book gets right to the point (in its title) that Barack Obama is making America less safe. Daniel Freedman, a former aide to Rudy Giuliani of all people, says Thiessen doesn’t know what he’s talking about. As I watched the back and forth I could see everyday regular people scratching their heads. Both men make credible arguments at least on the surface. When we get right down to it, both men are calling each other liars. Again, we’re left wondering, where are the indisputable facts?

These two examples are not atypical. Returning to Rudy Giuliani for a moment, he famously said recently that there were no terrorist attacks under the Bush administration (a claim also made by former White House Press Secretary Dana Perino and conservative gadfly Mary Matalin).  This observation was made with a straight face and was not challenged by the so-called journalists in the discussion. It occurred to no one to remind these folks that we got attacked on 9/11/2001, during the Bush administration? Here, we have an indisputable fact that gets cast aside in the most absurd way.

I am at a point where I am almost filled with despair that we Americans will ever have sane debates about anything again. No longer can the average person listen to an authority on a subject and feel they’ve gotten the truth. Now  we must devote hours of our day scouring the Internet to research virtually everything because listening to just two people simply gets us an exchange of the Joe Wilson “you lie.” Who has the time to do that kind of research with full-time jobs and family lives? The average person therefore simply believes whomever is easiest for them to believe. Then the average person parrots this belief as fact.

We live in a world where Joe Friday’s “just the facts ma’am” has been replaced by “perception equals reality”. And then we wonder why we make so little progress in solving the major problems of our time.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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67 thoughts on “Whatever Happened to Facts

  1. How can we debate what is at stake in health care if we cannot agree on the basic numbers?

    The numbers don’t matter.

    Yes, I said it.

    The liberal mindset says that “If we can just come up with a big enough number, then anyone who opposes us must be hard-hearted/greedy/selfish/whatever.”

    The question has been asked often, and a sufficient answer has yet to be rendered: WHERE does government find the authority to do this? What empowers it to take over an entire profession? What empowers it to insert itself into the most private of decision making processes, and make determinations of what procedures and medications cost too much for a citizen to obtain? What empowers it to determine what plans are and are not acceptable for me, for you, for Tex, for DR, for HP to purchase? What gives them the authority to imprison me or fine me if I do not purchase such a plan?

    The answer is so simple, even Barack Hussein Obama could figure it out. They do not have the authority. There is simply no constitutional authority for them to do so.

    What is at stake is not about helping another fraction of the uninsured get insurance…and don’t kid yourself, even with the take over in all its glory, you will only make a weak gain. It is about whether or not we will be a nation of people who take care of themselves, or a nation of people who will empower an arrogant and misguided expertocracy in exchange for being nannied from cradle to grave.

    Liberals like to comfort themselves with the thought that they haven’t achieved success in gaining popular assent for their grand plans for us because America is “ungovernable”. If they really believe this is true, then they should look to the implementation of this shit sandwich that is not legal and that we cannot afford with fear and trembling, because if anything will rob the current government of the only legitimacy that it has, it will be a stubborn determination to force this down our throats.

    And don’t whine to me about an honest discussion about numbers on this subject when the Chicago Messiah™ has done everything possible to confuse and obfuscate the REAL cost of this blatant usurpation of individual power.

  2. I like that R, what happened to facts. But when you say facts, I assume you mean numbers that can be backed up with hard data showing just that- facts.

    So when I hear about 2 million jobs “saved or created” (which was it Mr. President?), I expect to see the data to back that up.

    Or when I’m told the science on climate change is “settled”, I’d expect to see the data to back that up.

    Except…

    When we got the data for the jobs “saved or created” is was bad. Not just bad, but damn right fraudulent, with imaginary zip codes, non-existent Congressional districts and with no tangible jobs.

    Or, claims that the Himalayas will be bare in 25 years, or that the oceans will rise 85 centimeters is a decade or two, only to learn that the document that said this was basing it off of opinion- not research, or that the data no longer exists- after, mind you, it came out that the scientists that came to these or similar conclusions threatened to destroy the data rather than release it.

    No longer can the average person listen to an authority on a subject and feel they’ve gotten the truth. ” — R

    That’s because your “authorities” are lying through their teeth and have lost the trust of the American people. This can be seen no clearer than in the media, where folks, after losing faith in the information they are receiving, move on to somewhere else.

    How about the fact that it once was, that depending on your lamb skin, your credibility was either way up, or way down, except that now we have institutions (read Brown, Columbia, Harvard, Cornell, Yale and Princeton) that are so intellectually corrupt that you can expect the folks coming from there to be completely indoctrinated into Wonderland.

    You lament that authorities have lost credibility? It is your ideology of the left that has corrupted and politicized these things. Conservatives didn’t politicize college- you did. Conservatives didn’t politicize climate science- you did.

    Please, don’t lecture and cry to us about the decline of credibility when it has been you and your ideology that has done it…

  3. Hmmmmmmmmm….

    PRINCETON, NJ — In the wake of Republican Scott Brown’s victory in Tuesday’s U.S. Senate election in Massachusetts, the majority of Americans (55%) favor Congress’ putting the brakes on its current healthcare reform efforts and considering alternatives that can obtain more Republican support. Four in 10 Americans (39%) would rather have House and Senate Democrats continue to try to pass the bill currently being negotiated in conference committee.
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/125327/Majority-Favors-Suspending-Work-Healthcare-Bill.aspx

    Ok, so what’s important?

    PRINCETON, NJ — Six in 10 Americans (60%) believe that President Barack Obama has not devoted enough time to economic problems, 33% say he has spent the right amount of time on the issue, and another 5% say he has spent too much time. A majority of Americans are also dissatisfied with Obama’s time allocation on healthcare and foreign policy, but views are mixed on whether he has spent too much or too little time on each.
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/125774/Six-Say-Obama-Spent-Little-Time-Economy.aspx

    The latest national telephone survey shows 84% of likely voters see the economy as a very important issue, up three points from late December. Another 13% see the issue as somewhat important, while just two percent (2%) see the economy as not very or not at all important.
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/importance_of_issues

    So the administration does…

    Obama puts forward $1 trillion health care plan
    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100222/D9E19OD80.html

    There is tone deaf, then there is just fucking stupid…

  4. Really, I should be shocked and outraged, but at this point, I’m not even surprised…

    Our Islamist Envoy

    What a tangled web Islamist appointees weave. When his pro-terrorist quotes surfaced, a new White House envoy dismissed them as someone else’s. A recording says otherwise.

    Now Rashad Hussain, President Obama’s pick as special envoy to the Organization of the Islamic Conference, has changed his story. He admits he did indeed call the indictment of a now-convicted terrorist a “travesty of justice.”

    It’s plain that Hussain, who also has bashed the Patriot Act and other key anti-terror tools, cannot be trusted to represent U.S. interests vis-a-vis the OIC.

    What’s more, there are reports linking him to the radical Muslim Brotherhood, of which Al-Arian is a senior member. The Brotherhood has hatched a secret plot to infiltrate the U.S. government and “destroy” it “from within,” and has erected an impressive infrastructure supporting terrorism inside America.
    In a raid of Al-Arian’s home, federal agents seized a document in Arabic revealing a Brotherhood plan for “spying” on U.S. agencies.

    “Members of the group should be able to infiltrate the sensitive intelligence agencies or the embassies in order to collect information and build close relationships with the people in charge in these establishments,” the paper advises Brotherhood leaders in America…
    http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=521871

  5. Tell us R, again please for the greater edification of the group, why we should trust you and your ideology?

    Class Warfare’s Next Target: 401(k) Savings
    BusinessWeek reports that the Treasury and Labor departments are asking for public comment on “the conversion of 401(k) savings and Individual Retirement Accounts into annuities or other steady payment streams.”

    This “conversion” may start out as an optional choice, though you are already free to buy Treasury bonds whenever you want. But as Karl Denninger of the Market Ticker Web site reports: “‘Choices’ have a funny way of turning into mandates, and this looks to me like a raw admission that Treasury knows it will not be able to sell its debt in the open market — so they will effectively tax you by forcing your ‘retirement’ money to buy them.”

    Moreover, benefits based on Treasury bond interest rates may be woefully inadequate compensation for your years of savings. As Denninger adds, “What’s even worse is that the government has intentionally suppressed Treasury yields during this crisis (and will keep doing so by various means, including manipulating the CPI inflation index) so as to guarantee that you lose over time compared to actual purchasing power.”

    This proposal follows hearings held last fall by House Education and Labor Committee Chairman George Miller, D-Calif., and Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Wash., of the Ways and Means Committee focusing on “redirecting (IRA and 401k) tax breaks to a new system of guaranteed retirement accounts to which all workers would be obliged to contribute,” as reported by InvestmentNews.com.
    http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=521423

  6. The last before I leave for the morning….

    The United States of Chicago

    “The Obama administration is tanking, and Democrats and their media flacks are blaming everyone but themselves. Talk-show host Bill Maher zeroes in on the basic theme: Americans “are not bright enough to really understand the issues.”

    “The biggest culprit in our current predicament,” as Jacob Weisberg sees it in Slate, is “the childishness, ignorance and growing incoherence of the public at large.”

    In other words, the same voting public that fell for “hope and change” and put Barack Obama in office a year ago suddenly is too stupid to notice the genius at work in the White House.”

    Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/02/22/ED931C4EI5.DTL#ixzz0gMUXdhtW

  7. I dunno, Rutherford. I am not sure there were facts. A few things were true back then.

    a) there was no internet, through which more truth – and more fiction – became readily available. If your sources of fact are more limited, arguments become much less complex.

    b) journalists were less – well – inane. They asked harder questions because they took seriously their role as a part of democracy, rather than as a part of hollywood.

    c) lies, or at least, being caught in a lie, was a considerably more grievous offense. Now, the world of perceptions and opinions and mis-speaking and faux-pologies have made fibbing or omission a reasonable political tactic.

    The result is that truth has become far more complex. I’m not a fan of statistics – I’ve seen them manipulated far too much. And I’m not a fan of the concept of “truth” because in most complex situations, it is too hard to pinpoint fact and causality.

    I set my bar squarely on “logical analysis” and reasonably discussion -and even that bar seems too high these days.

  8. Wow – I have been so busy outing myself as a heretic over on my own blog that I haven’t been here much…. so I drop by to discover that gorilla has apparently become the new Elric… how many links is that per post?

    😉

    BiW – I am looking forward to taking you up on your “numbers don’t matter” comment later. Other pots are boiling over at the moment though….

    — hp

  9. G, you’re not in moderation per se. For some reason two of your comments went into moderation automagically in the past two days. One I think had too many links and got flagged. The other I can’t figure out.

    In any case, have patience. I approve comments at least a couple of times a day and 99% of yours make it through without intervention.

  10. Lily, everythng you say here is true. The internet has changed the landscape drastically and news and entertainment have almost completely merged.

    The notion that logical analysis may not even be the answer any more just deepens my despair. 😦

  11. BiW, I’m actually going to save my comments on what the government has the authority to do for my next post which I should be publishing tonight or tomorrow. It’s inspired by, of all people, Glenn Beck. 😉

  12. G, when it comes to the politicization of academia, let me ask you a question. Climate change deniers spend less time trying to disprove climate change with their own research and data and more time assigning ulterior motives to climate change believers. What do we hear from the deniers time and again? “The climate change folks just want another excuse to redistribute wealth.”

    So, who’s doing the politicizing here? Sounds like both sides are equally guilty.

  13. G, on a couple of your other points.

    Regarding Obama appointees, I am still trying to figure out whether they are just getting more scrutiny than appointees from other admins or whether Obama’s track record on this really stinks. I do think he and his minions have made a couple of bad calls …. not because the appointee was not qualified but because the controversy was not worth the fight. Kevin Jennings is a good example. Just not worth all the trouble.
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    My head is swimming a bit on your treasury bond points … my financial sophistication level is relatively low. I do believe that one of the worst things many corporations have done is to move their retirement accounts entirely into 401K accounts so that all their employees are basically gambling with their retirement money. The bust of 2008 proves that 401K’s are highly overrated and downright dangerous for the average consumer who does not track the 401K allocations carefully.
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    At first blush, the Bill Maher way of thought, “Americans are stupid” may indeed call into question their selecting Obama in the first place. But I would suggest that Hope and Change was an emotional, not intellectual play. Folks were able to get swept into the emotion of selecting Obama but now lack the intellectual fortitude to see his policies through. And there are any number of conservative opponents eager to exploit America’s intellectual impatience and indolence for political gain.

  14. ** GUFFAW **

    Have you missed me yet Rutherford? I only came to your shitty blog to provide an example of how senior citizens should deal with bullying gang bangers on a bus.

    Watch this beautiful left cross smack the face of a banger. If the Rabbit and Gorilla don’t enjoy this one, they have no humor.

    Ask me, this is how every lib ought to be treated. 😆

  15. LOL HP you notice no Facebook protests from Sarah Palin regarding Bob Marshall. Is he implying that Sarah had an abortion at one time in her life? That must be why she was “punished” with a mentally challenged baby.

    But you’ll see neither outrage from Tex on Marshall’s statement nor any expectation from Tex that Sarah Palin speak out against such wickedness. Anything to advance the abortion-is-evil meme, even at the expense of the disabled.

  16. Tex, I’m glad you peeked in … take a look at HP’s comment and link regarding Bob Marshall. How does that sit with you, you outraged supporter of the mentally challenged who thinks Rutherford stoops to new lows any chance he gets? 😉

  17. Regarding the bus video … looks like a put on to me. Who took the video for starters? The camera angles seem awfully suspect.

    But let’s assume it’s legit. He’s black so he’s a gang banger? Do you know what the f*ck a gang banger is? He and the old guy (yeah I can call the old guy an old guy cos he said his age …. I can’t call the black guy a gang banger since I see no gang, no weapon, no “colors”, no tats, etc,) obviously start out in the video with some beef. Somehow race gets into it. Interestingly if it weren’t for the crowd on the bus that would have gone no where. Each guy was talking typical macho smack. It’s only after getting egged on that things got out of control … Lord of the Flies anyone?

    But yes Tex, if you want to give the old codger some props for surprising the sh*t out of the brother and knocking him on his ass, fine I’m with you. I always enjoy it when folks act contrary to stereotype and our white-bearded friend certainly did.

    Oh by the way, I love how at the end of the vid, the beaten down brotha says he’s gonna kill the n—- next time he sees him. LOL You see, when you’re pissed, everybody is the N word. ROTFL 😆

  18. “r”,

    I think it makes you and Bob Marshall two peas, each on a different side of a pod. Neither one worth a shit.

    How did you like that beat down I posted sport? Why don’t post something about Obama’s healing the racial strife, miracle man? 😉

  19. G, when it comes to the politicization of academia, let me ask you a question. Climate change deniers spend less time trying to disprove climate change with their own research and data and more time assigning ulterior motives to climate change believers. What do we hear from the deniers time and again? “The climate change folks just want another excuse to redistribute wealth.”
    So, who’s doing the politicizing here? Sounds like both sides are equally guilty.
    ” – R

    Studies that have lasted for some twenty years are little different, and besides, scientists are suppose to provide their data for others to use. That’s a part of the scientific method, that others are able to duplicate your research or experiments. Secondly, how many of these experiments are done in the interest of the public with the publics money? With that in mind, why am I seeing publically funded scientists talking about dumping reseach data so that their skeptics can’t get access to it?

    We’ve been pounded for a couple decades now about global warming, and I’ve seen several skeptic research products done, but they don’t get the play because we’ve been told the science is settled. And since your proponents, like Al Gore, refuse to put their ideas to a debate, who is really ast fault here?

    Regarding Obama appointees, I am still trying to figure out whether they are just getting more scrutiny than appointees from other admins or whether Obama’s track record on this really stinks. I do think he and his minions have made a couple of bad calls …. not because the appointee was not qualified but because the controversy was not worth the fight. Kevin Jennings is a good example. Just not worth all the trouble.” – R

    R, you need a find Jesus moment with something called accountability…

    My head is swimming a bit on your treasury bond points … my financial sophistication level is relatively low. I do believe that one of the worst things many corporations have done is to move their retirement accounts entirely into 401K accounts so that all their employees are basically gambling with their retirement money. The bust of 2008 proves that 401K’s are highly overrated and downright dangerous for the average consumer who does not track the 401K allocations carefully.” – R

    The last 15 years, the index has averaged 8%- that includes 2008, so no, that one year does not prove the market a bad long term investment option.

    Next time you have a thought about pensions, think General Motors, then come talk to me about sound business practices…

    At first blush, the Bill Maher way of thought, “Americans are stupid” may indeed call into question their selecting Obama in the first place. But I would suggest that Hope and Change was an emotional, not intellectual play. Folks were able to get swept into the emotion of selecting Obama but now lack the intellectual fortitude to see his policies through. And there are any number of conservative opponents eager to exploit America’s intellectual impatience and indolence for political gain.” – R

    Oh please.

    They’re too stupid to see it through? At the very least, be consistent- they were stupid to elect him in the first place and therefore it should not be surprising that they are too stupid to see his premises through…

    Of course, that’s BS. How about a lack of alternatives and they’re experiencing enormous buyer’s remorse. We can agree on the emotions being the driver for O’s election, of course the emotion was fear at the time. Things looked incredibly bad and the option were between a really smooth campaign getting no scruteny and a very poorly run campaign getting hammered by the media. I really don’t think the outcome is so surprising.

    R, tell me, how long are we to wait? O said pass the stimulus and unemployment will stay below 8%. It didn’t and now the administration is saying that they expect unemployment to stay hi, as in the mid to high 9s through the rest of his administration. What? Transparency- need we go there?

    I think you lack the intellectual fortitude to admit that you bought a whole case of snake oil…

  20. BIC

    You know what really annoys me about liberals? Forget cherry picking the facts to be used to convey the supposed thoughts of the masses. I’ve grown accustomed to that Saul Alinsky tactic. It won them a 2008 campaign with a boorish, narcissistic, dimwitted buffoon. Hopefully, they’ll soon answer for the lies.

    What really pisses me off about liberals is this, and I’ll use abortion as the example. It’s the messes that liberals leave for others, without accountability or due punishment for their lies.

    Take the girl who walks into the abortion mill like thousands do every day. She’s scared, she is gullible, she is misinformed and Planned Parenthood has convinced her it is her choice between her, her butcher, and some nebulous god. She’s given the lines of something like zygote, product of conception, fetus, whatever the standard fare, lib lingo of the day is. She has an abortion. But the innate ability for her to know right from wrong remains.

    About a year later, the girl sees a baby that would be about the same age her own child would have been. And invariably, she absolutely crumbles. She’s crushed with guilt, now recognizing she has literally killed her own child. She is left with nothing but the realization of her egregious sin. Many never recovery. I know, as I’ve help minister to them. But the general public never sees the end result.

    And yet, the twisted, sick liars that help to convince the girl to have an abortion remain unscathed and unpunished, convincing more young girls to have more abortions, never answering for their assisting the crime, with their defense that their act is perfectly legal.

    Rutherford, Hippie, and the rest should be grateful I do believe in a God. If I did not, and I ultimately did not believe in complete and perfect justice, I might not have learned the lesson of forgiveness. And the end result would not be pretty.

  21. G, an 8% return does not mean your typical 401k is not a casino. You are gambling that you’ll get that return. You may lose and many did.

    Don’t get me wrong. I’m not a mattress bank sorta guy. I had a 401k that I felt properly reflected my age and risk tolerance. I still got screwed. I blame no one but myself because I should have kept my eye on the ball better. But I also think I’m smart. I feel bad for the guy whose entire retirement was in a 401k and didn’t understand the risks.

  22. Tex, you can’t have it both ways. Either girls who get abortions are frivolous sluts who use it as birth control or they are precious souls who get duped and have remorse down the line. Make up your mind.

    You’ve been quick in the past to guffaw at me when I’ve pointed out what an agonizing decision this is — not a trivial decision.

    The truth is — and man will you have a problem with this grey area statement — there are girls who regret the decision their entire life and there are girls who are so immature that they just don’t get it and never will.

    But bottom line is quite honestly what any of these girls do is between them, their doctor, their family and their spiritual advisor and is really none of your goddam business.

  23. I think you lack the intellectual fortitude to admit that you bought a whole case of snake oil…

    Assuming you’re right about the snake oil, I think you’re confusing intellect with pride. It doesn’t take brains to admit you’re wrong. Just humility. By the way, I’m not wrong. 😉

  24. But bottom line is quite honestly what any of these girls do is between them, their doctor, their family and their spiritual advisor and is really none of your goddam business.

    Said the supporter of Obamacare who believes that it is government’s duty to help those poor unfortunates without insurance (notice I didn’t say “without healthcare”, because Hospitals aren’t allowed to turn away people who require care), but the idea that government might protect the most defenseless among us is repugnant. Way to go champ!

  25. “r”,

    Whether they are precious souls (they are) or frivolous sluts (sometimes perhaps), your comment is irrelevant with respect to my statement to BIC. However, you never making mention someone dies in the pursuit, or about the promises from your ilk of safe, legal and rare made to justify those rights later proved lies. It is consistent with the majority of your positions which once measured by truth, become noticeably abhorrent.

    Rock On “r’. I’m going to let that one true God you think sport to mock on your blog deal with your sense of rights. We will see if the blood be also on your hands? 😉

    Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

    But bottom line is quite honestly what any of these girls do is between them, their doctor, their family and their spiritual advisor and is really none of your goddam business.

    Nice.

    But it is not the Rutherford crowd who is left with the mess, the guilt, the destruction in the aftermath. Scary how easily you can wash your own hands of responsibility while you banter for their rights, then leave the accompanying problems for someone else to deal with thereafter.

    Too bad in that great compassion you readily preach on numerous media (gay rights, poor people, no health care, blah, blah, blah), you can’t bother to get off the couch and come see the end results of abortion for yourself. You turning a blind eye doesn’t change the dynamics. It does make you an uninformed hypocrite and distant accessory to murder.

  26. That was awesome. Old dude beat some ass.

    I’m going to stereotype for a moment. Many black men, more then any other culture in America, seem to react to public disrespect in front of females very aggressively.

    More stereotyping.

    Many black men, more then any other culture in America, can’t tolerate getting their ass kicked. By no means always, but many times “pinkies” and Mexicans can let if fly Marquess of Queensberry rules and then go on with life. Black dudes want to show back up and kill you.

    Rutherford, I do think you’re right though. That black dude didn’t seem like a gangbanger type to me. Just a chump.

    _________________________________________________
    Long Winded Fighting Story By the Rabbit. By no means meant for mainstream consumption****************************************

    I once started a fight for no reason with the wrong person.

    Rio Dell, Northern California.

    “Logger-fest.”

    19 year old Rabbit just got his first tattoo and must of felt tough.

    I picked a fight at a massive after-festival house party with one of the loggers who lived there. Sucker punched him, in fact.

    After said sucker punch, he went out the front door and I went out the back. We met in the driveway as a crowd of maybe 300 assembled. Sailor vs. Logger.

    I had at least 8 inches of reach on him. And…uh…that was the last thing I really remember.

    I got my ass kicked so bad that my face seriously looked like this:

    The next morning I realized I had left my contacts at this house. I was blind.

    I went to the house, knocked on the door with a now humbled face more swollen then anyone outside of the medical community would imagine to be possible.

    The dude who rearranged my face opened the door. Polite as can be, he grabbed my contact case off the coffee table and gave them to me. We shook hands and told one another to enjoy the rest of the weekend.

    Flash forward 5 years later and I woke up with what looked like a giant cyst on the side of my nose. The doc tried to pull the juice out with no luck. My nose stretched with the syringe. Astonished, he told me he thought it was cartilage.

    Yup folks, Dead Rabbit had to get a nose job. The logger had broke the tip of my nose and 5 years later a night of restless sleep lodged the tip to the side. I looked like a fucked up Mr. Potato Head Doll.

    Post surgery: Now I have a pretty nose. Beautiful. Hollywood nose. My nose is fucking perfect.

    If only my eyes weren’t so damn close together.

  27. “b) journalists were less – well – inane. They asked harder questions because they took seriously their role as a part of democracy, rather than as a part of hollywood.”-Lily

    “c) lies, or at least, being caught in a lie, was a considerably more grievous offense. Now, the world of perceptions and opinions and mis-speaking and faux-pologies have made fibbing or omission a reasonable political tactic.”-Lily

    I’m not sure I agree with that. Has anyone read the press in the 19th century? Slanted and partisan doesn’t even remotely describe this era.

    As for lying, it’s much tougher to get away with it now.

    Rutherford, your “Joe Friday” world never existed. And while things are more partisan now then they were during World War II or a couple of decades afterwords, I argue that these times were in now are nothing more then a return to normalcy.

    The difference being that the average person is ten thousand more times educated.

    Perhaps this is ten thousands more times more annoying, as we all think we are experts.

    You’re really quite the pessimist, Rutherford. Makes me wonder why you believe in politicians so much.

  28. D.R. Warf! 😆

    I used the term “banger” as a pejorative to piss off Rutherford because he’s a hating whitey closet racist and chump.

    The punk may simply be a hood. But his girlfriend filming the fight refers to him as “Blood” right before he gets his ass kicked and I just assumed that was a reference to “gang” banger. Now I fully admit, I know nothing of gang bangers, but i thought it a far assumption.

    It did my heart good to hear these racist, cracker hating blacks get their comeuppance by a guy resembling Santa Claus. 😆

  29. Tex….I didn’t hear that. Your right then, he probably is a gang member. I didn’t think so becuase he looked too old. Classic!

    What were they talking about at first?

    I wonder if any charges were pressed.

  30. lol…..my favorite quote, “Don’t fuck with senior citizens”.

    I was curious about using the word “blood” due to seemingly petty research like this was once my job. (Thank God those days are over).

    Blood can be used as “friend” according to a Bay Area slang encyclopedia. So, who knows.

    On the East Coast (I worked in Richmond VA), nobody in their right mind would toss around the word “blood” without being in the actual gang. (at least that’s what I remember)

    On a side note, our gang problem here in Detroit doesn’t include those national gangs for the most part. Those gangs can’t even make inroads in Detroit becuase they will be killed so quick. The gangs here have boring names. 7 Mile Road. Schoolcraft. etc. Neighborhood fiefs running drugs. Some people say the crime rate would go way down if the national gangs could consolidate power here.

    That security threat group stuff was actually kind of interesting, at times, but it made me paranoid. I would see stuff at a place like the mall that I would have never noticed before my training.

    Once your out of it for more then 3 months, you can’t keep up. Stuff changes. Now I’m oblivious and happy again. 🙂

  31. Man, the West Coast has the craziest street people.

    I hate San Fransisco and the Bay Area.

    That’s one place I could care less if I never see again.

    The people who aren’t violent meth head types are pretentious haters.

    Bar none the worst place to try to get laid in too.

    Which always baffled me becuase so many potential competitors would rather smoke pole.

    Now 5 hours north of Frisco…that is God’s country. Thousand year old Red Wood trees. Beautiful rivers. Mountains.

    Massive crops of the most potent weed imaginable that even the Coast Guard couldn’t help but smoke. Strange land, indeed.

    I once went to a Willy Nelson concert up there in Humboldt County. It’s the only time I ever saw the loggers and hippies get along.

  32. Tex, you said gangbanger to piss me off and nothing more so leave it at that. Blood most likely meant “bro”, “friend”, “dude”.

    You know full well I don’t hate “whitey”. Seriously Tex, are you off your meds? Your rhetoric really makes me worry you’ve got more going on than the average hissy fit.

  33. You’re really quite the pessimist, Rutherford. Makes me wonder why you believe in politicians so much.

    I don’t believe in politicians. I believe in SOME politicians.

    I’m a semi-cynic who got a new reason to believe in 2008. I’m now being tested. We’ll see what comes of it.

  34. “r”,

    Tex, you said gangbanger to piss me off and nothing more so leave it at that. Blood most likely meant “bro”, “friend”, “dude”.

    What’s wrong? Aren’t you happy to see me again bro? Or is that blood? 😛

    No, in all honesty I really did think the idiot punk was a banger because of what that hot momma recording when she said whip “pinky’s ass”. 😆 That’s the funniest part of that entire movie besides watching the blood get his ass whipped by Santa Clause the Mofo. Did you happen to notice Mohammad Ali’s shirt from the back? Watch carefully if you didn’t get the message. Santa is not all there.

    Really Rutherford, there are some comments I make that have nothing to do with pressing your buttons and raising your ire. As many false dreams as you’ve had smashed as of late, really no need for me to pile on. You’re about to watch your heroes political aspirations go up in flames, and you are taking it all very personally.

    Do I really think you’re a racist? Only in the sense I think like the punk from the movie, you go looking for ways to be offended and claim victim. It’s a fall back for excuse of failure. I think you’re a long way from concentrating simply on character issues, like your petty charges of racism concerning Obama when we disagree with his policies. I’m pretty sure you’re not completely honest in your opinions and guarded about your real feelings toward whites who don’t follow your lead.

    But do I think you’re a racist in the traditional sense, of simply hating whites for being white? Nah, I wouldn’t go that far. You’ve got some shred of decency, though not as much as I believed this time last year. Your radio show was a real eye opener for me as to the “real” you. You’re far nastier when not on the blog stage than I used to believe.

  35. “Assuming you’re right about the snake oil, I think you’re confusing intellect with pride. It doesn’t take brains to admit you’re wrong. Just humility. By the way, I’m not wrong.” — R

    Well, then clearly you lack both humility and brains…

  36. “I’m a semi-cynic who got a new reason to believe in 2008. I’m now being tested. We’ll see what comes of it.” — R

    Then I see this.

    So, you’re not wrong…you think…

    Everyone in the country is clamoring about jobs and Captain Dumbass is going to push…health care.

    I just might have to reassess my use of the term Machiavelli for this guy at my place. Clearly, he is way too stupid to understand, let alone employ, Machiavellian thinking…

  37. Starting a list to help decipher the new mandated language.

    Handy Progressive Translator

    “adviser” = Obama czar appointment
    “vision” = Western European socialism; can mean Executive Order
    “racist” = Caucasian voting against Obama
    “liberty” = (1) government mandate or tax; sometime assoc with U.N.
    “recovery” = see “jobs save”
    “investment” = public funding (see future vote investment)
    “bi-partisan” = consent to Democrat proposals
    “peace process” = anti Semitic; can mean dialogue with terrorists
    “jobs bill” = synonymous with ballooning deficit or 2nd stimulus
    “reproductive care” = taxpayer funded abortions
    “road to recovery” = totalitarian government takeover
    “tax reform” = Redistribution of wealth; gen not assoc with trust fund children
    “climate change legislation” = windfall profits tax
    “health care reform” = rationing or redistribution of wealth
    “progressive” = (1) Educated; usu assoc w/Ivy, Cal or Stanford (see elite); (2) Enlightened
    “conservative” = (1) illiterate, (2) gun or religious “clinger”, (3) racist (dependent upon context)
    “moderate” = 2008 Obama precinct leader

  38. Tex said….

    Starting a list to help decipher the new mandated language.

    Wow – great minds – I had just started one of my own.

    Handy Conservative Translator

    Obama = Communist
    Progressive = Communist
    Liberal = Communist
    Moderate Democrat = Communist
    Moderate = Communist
    Moderate Republican = Communist
    Scott Brown = Communist (voted for cloture on the jobs bill)
    Fascist = Communist
    Glen Beck = Jesus Christ

    😉

    — hp

  39. Hippie,

    I actually find that funny, but I would substitute socialist in place of communist. I haven’t heard of anybody from my side accusing Obama of taking their possessions yet – just taxing it to death for the greater good.

    But your last one I find personally offensive, so I will add to my personal memory calculator one debit for allowance of posting the nastiest, most vile, most vicious thing I can think or say on your blog.

    That is, unless you are willing to admit that perhaps the Divine leader of the mass you attend on occasion (for reasons not abundantly clear) probably should be off limits. I can assure you that while I find Beck funny and entertaining for short bursts, I hardly find him messianic.

    Rutherford likes to bring kids into the mix, so I have now feel free with his permission to invoke Obama’s children if the need arises with my wrath. I suppose we can up the ante and I am certainly capable of upping the corresponding flame war that might flow from such. 😉

  40. Tex said….. I actually find that funny, but I would substitute socialist in place of communist. I haven’t heard of anybody from my side accusing Obama of taking their possessions yet – just taxing it to death for the greater good.

    Tex – of – believe me there are people who indeed call Obama a Communist – but in fairness they tend to be people who don’t really understand the definitions. “Themadjewess” who made waves here a bit back famously claimed:

    Fascism=Socialism=Communism

    …and then told me I had best get an education so I understood….

    😉

    I do apologize for the Jesus Christ comment – it wasn’t meant to offend. I was trying point out that people do indeed seem to worship Beck and take his word as divinely inspired. Perhaps we could say that Beck was a prophet? I always liked Ezekiel.

    😉

    — hp

  41. I guess I missed the TheMadJewess – but I love her name. Sounds like my kind of woman.

    You are forgiven my son – or something like that. I’m not being a snit – to me, you can make fun of about anything short of Jesus and someone’s children. In fact, the only spouse I have ever mentioned is gigging Rutherford’s wife about Palin hating.

    There is a bit of confusion to what is a totalitarian government. I see Obama as a hardcore western europe socialist – a nanny state with some nominated elite managing the stupid masses. And it is a disaster on every front.

    However, I don’t find Obama a totalitarian dictator either.

    I disagree with the man on virtually everything, but Obama is a long shot from Fidel Castro or Hugo Chavez. When I hear of Obama dragging his political opponents to jail cells for execution, I’ll change my tune. 😉

  42. I haven’t heard of anybody from my side accusing Obama of taking their possessions yet – just taxing it to death for the greater good.

    Speaking of taxes… has anybodies taxes went up? Please give examples of how the Obama administration has raised YOUR taxes.

    If your a smoker then I say tough shit.

  43. In other news…

    GOP Senator Richard Shelby R-Ala, is pressing to have the USAF tanker contract (a huge defense contract) partly awarded to a foreign corporation.

    Airbus along with Raytheon has promised to build the final assembly plant in Alabama. How is Shelby trying to get his way? By keeping President Obama’s USAF military nominees hostage until he gets France’s Airbus this lucrative contract.

    Shelby has been on record numerous times saying government spending creates no jobs, so one has to wonder how this squares with the GOP mantra “government spending creates no jobs”?

    If a Democrat was pushing for a French Airplane manufacturer (Airbus) over an American one (Boeing) it would be common knowledge and Fox Noise would insure that everyone would know it.

    Since its Sen Richard Shelby with an (R) after his name, crickets…

    Might make a Republican look bad or something, maybe even unpatriotic. Have the Teabaggers caught wind of this yet?

  44. You’ve got some shred of decency, though not as much as I believed this time last year. Your radio show was a real eye opener for me as to the “real” you. You’re far nastier when not on the blog stage than I used to believe.

    Now Tex, think about this a bit. Could I possibly have put up with over a year of your bulls*it without having at least a small nasty streak myself? Heck, I think a marshmallow would have shut down this blog after a few of your assaults. 😉

    Also, while I know you consider the radio show an amateur act (no big argument there), give me a little credit for stagecraft. Writing a blog and doing 60 minutes of live “broadcasting” are two very different things. I’m not reading off a script on BlogTalkRadio. It’s pretty much stream of consciousness with some cheat notes (not on my hand but on my laptop) to assist me. When I write, I edit. I edit less so in the comments section but I still edit. On the radio there is no submit key. My job on the radio is to be a bit angrier than usual and to get folks a bit riled up. If I put everybody asleep than I lose the handful of people who are listening.

    Oh, one last thing … something that still confuses the f*ck out of me. When have I ever attacked Trig Palin? He’s a f*cking baby for heaven’s sake. He has no political agenda. I attack (feverishly) his mother … and yes her use of him for political purposes. I can assure you, I won’t attack Trig until he goes on TV and starts spewing dumbass conservative talking points. 😉

  45. Tex said: I disagree with the man on virtually everything, but Obama is a long shot from Fidel Castro or Hugo Chavez. When I hear of Obama dragging his political opponents to jail cells for execution, I’ll change my tune

    This is one reason we can have a rational discussion despite our differences. There are a TON of people out there who actually do believe than Obama is cut from the same mold as Castro and Chavez and others. They actually believe that Obama is a totalitarian dictator – or at least seeks to become one. Arguing with them is an exercise in frustration….

    — hp

  46. Airbus along with Raytheon has promised to build the final assembly plant in Alabama. How is Shelby trying to get his way? By keeping President Obama’s USAF military nominees hostage until he gets France’s Airbus this lucrative contract.

    It’s the Progressive Way – a way he Shelby learned well while Democrat. You should be congratulating him on adopting your party’s standard M.O. If I were Shelby, I would be demanding free Medicare while I was at it for the state of Alabama.

  47. Oh Tex … you must read themadjewess … you’ll find her comments in the thread that pissed you off about Palin. Check out her blog too. To say she is a piece of work is to put it mildly.

    Think Elric but slightly nuttier and more articulate. (Oh actually that’s not fair to her. Elric never articulated a damn thing in his life that wasn’t preceded by http:// ) 😀

  48. Oh no Rutherford, now that I’m back, I’m not letting your conspiracies slide so easy.

    I listened to amateurish radio, deejayed by Demi Moore, and heard your latest conspiracy on how Trig received his name. That was so over the top even the hermaphrodite choked when you mentioned it. NO sir, your radio blog revealed a side to you that I didn’t even imagine. That’s no act – that’s you sitting on the couch with your wife in typical conversation – only this time, you got Sandi by your side.

    You aren’t going to believe this, but there was a time not too long ago where I actually thought, for all of our political differences and philosophies, I might call you a friend if we ever met by chance. And on this particular blog, you are far more mannerly than I am. I fully admit that.

    But when I heard you live, unfiltered, and you had to wing it, and the truth bubbled to the surface, I was actually shocked at who I had been conversing with this last year and a half. I thought much of this insult back and forth had been in jest. Jest? Man, you’ve been holding back on me.

    No, if we met, we might be resorting to ball bats, and golf clubs, axes and shovels. You are one wicked SOB. 😆

  49. Regarding the comment on the radio show …. I actually DID ask you to pipe in on that very issue in the comments section but by then you had gone off in a major snit. I actually asked you your medical opinion about whether you had ever heard of Trisomy-G babies referred to as Trig babies.

    So you see, if you had paid attention to the comments section, the radio spot would not have surprised you. And BTW ROTFLMAO, that one was even too much for Sandi! She didn’t wanna go there. And she’s a hard core lib … way more devoted to “the cause” than am I.

    Well at least you should give me points for refusing to say that Joe Stack was a terrorist. Sandi stuck to her guns on that one.

  50. R said…. actually DID ask you to pipe in on that very issue in the comments section but by then you had gone off in a major snit. I actually asked you your medical opinion about whether you had ever heard of Trisomy-G babies referred to as Trig babies.

    I can second that – and was about to post it myself – Rutherford did sincerely ask for your opinion.

    I don’t know if Palin is guilty here or not – but if she is I am disgusted beyond belief.

    — hp

  51. Hippie,

    Just about when I think you sincere in your attempt at some form of political reconciliation, the fact that you would even hint that you think Sarah Palin might dream of naming her child after medical nomenclature for a genetic defect truthfully disgusts me.

    So you idiots, and yes you’re both idiots for suggesting much, don’t continue to flash your asses and provide further proof you’re twisted:

    The grandfather says Trig is named after his great uncle, a Bristol Bay fisherman, while the name Paxson comes from the well-known snowmachining area.

    http://www.ktuu.com/global/story.asp?s=8194634

    ** SPIT **

  52. Aren’t they something?

    This is like finding out hippieprof’s son’s name is Wayne and then having a discussion if hippieprof is a sick bastard becuase he may have named him after John Wayne Casey. There is an Illinois connection there, you know.

    I can’t stand Gore. But I would never waste my breath hating on him the same way these two cowards do Palin.

    I would pay a weeks salary for hippieprof to present his hypothesis to Mr. Palin.

  53. So you idiots, and yes you’re both idiots for suggesting much, don’t continue to flash your asses and provide further proof you’re twisted:

    Tex – sometimes it seems like you really want to dislike me and get frustrated when I give you so few opportunities to do so…. 😉

    The other day, over on BiW’s blog you said what you think of Obama. It went something like he was an arrogant political opportunist who wasn’t very smart – something to that effect.

    OK – that is what I think of Palin.

    I don’t want to argue over who is right – just to establish that your negative feelings about Obama match mine about Palin.

    Do you think, were the situation reversed, that Obama would be capable of naming his child “trig” as short for Trisomy G?

    Answer honestly.

    If you think he would, then indeed you have judged me wrongly.

    If you think he would not – well – then indeed you have more class than I do in this issue.

    Note of course that I am *not* claiming that Palin actually did it – just that I think it possible.

    — hp

  54. Hippieprof,

    I don’t want to argue over who is right – just to establish that your negative feelings about Obama match mine about Palin.

    BULLSHIT. I don’t drag Obama’s two cute daughters into the discussion period. And if one happens to get pregnant down the line, and Rush Limbaugh or Glen Beck, or the other multitude of bogey men you’re scared to death of happen to make the daughter the butt of jokes, you can guarantee I’ll rip them a new asshole too. I don’t use family tragedy like Rutherford to make sport. I thought you were better than that.

    Do you think, were the situation reversed, that Obama would be capable of naming his child “trig” as short for Trisomy G?

    What kind of stupid fucking question is that? Do I Obama would name his daughter Syphilis? What is the point of these moronic questions?

  55. This is like finding out hippieprof’s son’s name is Wayne and then having a discussion if hippieprof is a sick bastard becuase he may have named him after John Wayne Casey

    Rabbit dude, I gotta tell ya, I’d give second thoughts before I named my kid Adolf. I’m just sayin’. 🙂

  56. Tex, not for nuthin’ but even Sarah has a hard time telling the same story twice. I’m not sure she mentions the great uncle in her book Going Rogue. She says it’s a Norse name. Doesn’t really matter …. can’t you at least admit it is one pretty unfortunate coincidence?

    You know, it never occurred to me to ask you Tex, again based on everything you learned in Med school, do you think a responsible doctor would advise Sarah Palin to take an at least 8 hour flight from TX to AK after her water broke with a high risk pregnancy? Seriously, forget about the politics and pretend I’m asking you about my sister. From what you know medically, is there any sense to what Sarah did when she went into labor?

  57. “r”,

    If it had been my wife? I would have told her to stay in Texas and have the baby. But that rule would hold rather high risk, or not. Women do crazy things when they are in labor. I used to work with this gal who is a friend of my wife’s. Real pretty black lady, who pulled herself out of the bad side, got a college degree, and raised two pretty spectacular kids. Now you have to understand, this woman is about as prim and proper as they come – completely professional.

    She told me one day before the birth of our first child to not get my feelings hurt during delivery. I said, “Why’s that Jaunita?”

    She said, “We went to all the classes with my husband in attendance. As I went into hard labor, my husband was hanging over my face, saying breathe honey, breathe like he was taught. I looked up at him, caught my breath and yelled, “GET OF MY FACE MOFO…” Tex, the hood came out and I couldn’t help it.” 😆

    She told me her mountain of a husband sat over in a corner for the rest of the delivery with his thumb up his ass.

    Speaking off subject, I just watched the most interesting video I have ever seen on YouTube. I was just curious about this lady to day who died at SeaWorld today when the Orca thrashed her about.

    While looking for it, there is a video out there where a killer whale and white shark tangling. Lasts about five minutes. I’ll put it this way.

    If I ever had any intention of swimming with an orca, I don’t now. 😮

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