Today’s Trivial Trio – Rush, Pat and Sarah

I probably should be ashamed of myself to give these three stooges more publicity but all three popped up on the Lawson radar today.

Rush Limbaugh

You would think that Rush’s recent brush with death would mellow him a bit. Fat chance. Snarky as ever, Rush says Obama will exploit the Haiti earthquake to kiss up to American blacks. Ehhh, newsflash Rushbo … blacks already like Obama. Dumbass!

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Pat Robertson

Jerry Falwell is dead so someone has to carry on Jerry’s tradition of exploiting tragedy to proselytize. This time it’s Pat Robertson who thinks if the citizens of Haiti just turn to Christ everything will be ok in the future. You see, they made a pact with the devil and that’s why they suffered a devastating earthquake yesterday. If we were talking about some wackjob that nobody knows, it wouldn’t be worth writing about. But Pat Robertson is watched by millions of so-called Christians. This is Pat’s idea of what we should expect from a loving God.

Surprisingly, Fox News has one brave voice, that of Shepard Smith to condemn this nonsense.

If you want to help the Red Cross relief fund for Haiti, text the word “haiti” (without the quotes) to 90999 from your cell phone. You’ll be charged $10.00.

Sarah Palin

I have a new found respect of sorts for former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin. If the new book “Game Change” can be believed:

  • Sarah didn’t know why  WWI or WWII got started
  • Sarah didn’t know why there was a North Korea and a South Korea
  • Sarah thought Saddam Hussein attacked us on 9/11

Now Sarah of course says this is all hooey, but for a moment, let’s take the findings at face value.

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Imagine you are a person of average intelligence and you’ve forgotten 60% of what you learned in High School. Frankly, I’ve forgotten 60% of what I learned in High School. Imagine next that you’ve been elected to lead a state the population of Brooklyn, New York. I don’t think you have to be much above average to achieve this. Now imagine that for purely exploitative reasons, the Republican candidate for US President asks you to be his running mate and you say yes. Can you imagine the courage it takes to make that leap? If Sarah was as ordinary as “Game Change” makes her out to be, basically the typical person profiled on a Jay Leno segment of “Jaywalking”, she must have been absolutely terrified to step into the national spotlight and suddenly be expected to be smart.

I know my conservative readers will think I am just making another back handed slap at Sarah, but seriously, if you discount the fact that she is a bit crazy, it takes serious cojones to sit with news correspondents (e.g. Gibson and Couric) and be quizzed in front of millions of TV viewers when you know that you don’t know squat.  If McCain had been elected and then died, Palin might not have been the best informed President we ever had, but I suspect she would have been the gutsiest.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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83 thoughts on “Today’s Trivial Trio – Rush, Pat and Sarah

  1. Several comments, and I won’t defend Rush Limbaugh as he does that well enough himself, as attested to by the left’s reaction at anything he mentions. He owns you and you don’t even know it. The left has nobody that comes close to rivaling Rush Limbaugh for pushing buttons, and I would wager half of the Limbaugh listening audience is Democrat.
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    Rutherford, this will surprise a genius like you, but most of America is obviously siding with Sarah Palin in the ongoing battle to smear her. We know a sleaze job from the left when we see it, and undoubtedly understand jealousy better than the left when we see it too. There have been so many unfounded rumors about Sarah’s inability that I’ve lost count, but I do know that she continues to perform admirably in public without a blip, no matter the nastiest expose’ of lefty intent on destruction ever demonstrated. This is far worse than the smear job on Bush IMO, as this isn’t just personal but the attempt to smear the entire family.

    Most of us believe this McCain fat boy that made these accusations about Sarah Palin’s lack of knowledge and sophistication is looking for blame assessment to cover his own inept ass. And even he admits that without Palin on the ticket, McCain would have lost by a greater degree. Other than the Couric interview which Sarah Palin herself admits was weak as was growing frustrated with Couric’s well known patronizing and slanted demeanor, I haven’t seen this perceived Palin weakness you continually espouse on your feckless blog. And though I’m no real fan of Sarah, I’m no enemy either and recognize she connects with many Americans. I am on her side. As a side note Rutherford, nobody has been more successful at recognizing talent than Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes – try and remember as you mumble about Palin’s weakness, she is now on staff. They didn’t make the offer to Rachel Madcow. Enough said on that.
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    I will comment on the idiocy of Pat Robertson. And I do this as a Christian. Let’s assume for a moment that Pat is right – Haiti made a pact with the devil. First, as a Christian Pat Robertson should know that even if true and this was divine punishment, there is an appropriate place and time for criticism. Immediately with crisis at hand is not the time – and certainly not across a public medium.

    More importantly, I have learned from my own relationship with Christ, that I am no more qualified to speak for the mind of God than protozoa could explain the meaning of life to me.

    Pat Robertson is not just ignorant, I don’t care how well educated. He is arrogant.

    And I’ll now leave my message to Pat Robertson. Through my studies, I have decided there is nothing Jesus Christ disdains more than haughtiness. If I were you Pat Robertson, you might reconsider your bold statement and readily admit that nobody in America today more parallels the teachings and arrogance of the Pharisees than you. And I believe Christ made it abundantly clear where the Pharisees would end.

    This is an embarrassment to me, should be an embarrassment to anyone calling themselves Christian, and a repeatable offense. Rutherford, I make no excuses for Robertson as I now have decided the man is reprehensible.

  2. If you’re going to bad mouth Rush, at least ge the full context of the conversation- something you’ll never get from Media Matters…

    “BEGIN TRANSCRIPT

    RUSH: Here’s President Obama speaking about Haiti this morning in Washington at the White House. He held a press conference. Now, I want you to remember, it took him three days to respond to the Christmas Day Fruit of Kaboom Bomber, three days. And when he came out after those three days, he was clearly irritated that he had to do it. He didn’t want to do it. He comes out here in less than 24 hours to speak about Haiti.

    OBAMA: I have directed my administration to respond with a swift, coordinated, and aggressive effort to save lives. The people of Haiti will have the full support of the United States in the urgent effort to rescue those trapped beneath the rubble and to deliver the humanitarian relief, the food, water, and medicine that Haitians will need in the coming days.

    RUSH: Oh, this is what he lives for. He lives for serving those in misery. Now, don’t misunderstand here, folks. I don’t have the whole press conference, but I wonder did he apologize for America before acknowledging we are the only people on earth that can possibly help ’em out down there in any significant way? By the way, I’ve checked it out, Cuba has offered nothing. Venezuela has offered nothing. They have nothing to offer. (interruption) Venezuela is going to send 30 people? Well, they’re people who want to get out of there anyway because they’re having rolling blackouts in Venezuela, in Caracas, which is an oil-driven — it’s the most amazing thing. The vision of our future is right before our eyes in Venezuela. Socialist country, devalued the currency on purpose a couple days ago, putting people in jail if they raise prices as a result of this. We are devaluing our own currency, not as rapidly as Hugo Chavez did but we’re doing it with all of our deficit spending and borrowing. At any rate, here’s another portion of the president’s statement.

    OBAMA: Despite the fact that we are experiencing tough times here at home, I would encourage those Americans who want to support the urgent humanitarian efforts to go to WhiteHouse.gov where you can learn how to contribute. We’ll be resolute in our response, and I pledge to the people of Haiti that you will have a friend and partner in the United States of America today and going forward. May God bless the people of Haiti and those working on their behalf.

    RUSH: So the country that he runs around the world apologizing for, the country that he has chip on his shoulder about, he now turns to as its president and asks people who have lost their jobs because of his policies to donate to WhiteHouse.gov to the people of Haiti, and we will do it. We are the most charitable and the most generous people on the face of the earth. Each and every time a natural disaster like this happens, we step up. We are there. “Despite the fact we’re experiencing tough times here at home, I would encourage those Americans who want to support the urgent humanitarian effort –” You know, I have been to Haiti way back a long time ago when it was a cruise ship stop, Port-au-Prince. And I’ve seen pictures of Haiti. It is a devastatingly poor place and nothing has ever changed. And right across a mountain ridge in the middle you’ve got the Dominican Republic, which is like night and day. It’s like night and day. And what’s the one common factor?

    That place, Haiti, has been run by dictators and communists, and how long is it going to be before we hear Obama and the left in this country say that what we really need to do is reinstate the communist Aristide to the leadership position down there to coordinate putting the country back together? The Haitian economy is entirely dependent on foreign aid. They produce nothing. Zilch, zero, nada. And it’s been that way for the longest time. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who you will next hear, was on MSNBC Live this morning, and she essentially says that Haiti and its current plight is our fault. I knew it wouldn’t take long for some Democrat to get there. The question she was asked was this: “I want to know if you can put into perspective how difficult it is when you talk about there not being much infrastructure to begin with, how challenging that makes the relief effort now?”

    SCHULTZ: You should think of the most primitive environments, the most primitive living conditions that you can imagine. It is wrong, especially in a region as prosperous as this one, for us to continue to allow the desperate situation that exists in Haiti to continue, and I want to conclude by saying that in particular it’s incredibly important that the United States grant TPS, temporary protective status to the Haitians that are here because the last thing in the world that we need to have happen is for Haitians who are here to be sent back to Haiti in this desperate hour that they are struggling through, there’s no way they could support that.

    RUSH: I could sit here and be really cynical. I’ll hold off on the cynicism for a couple hours, I’ll hold off on it. I’m going to hold off on it, give the show’s flow a chance to establish, ’cause it’s going to be the Media Tweak of the Day. I’ll wait ’til about 2:15 when they’re occupied with something else Obama is doing and then I’ll make my cynical comment. You know, Bill Clinton is the envoy to Haiti. I guess we’re thankful he wasn’t there. He sent his thoughts and prayers? You may not have remembered that, folks, but Obama made him the envoy. Did you not know that, Dawn? Well, that’s because he’s got experience of this kind, he’s called up the Arkansas National Guard before so he knows. He wasn’t there. We’re all very fortunate that Bill Clinton was not there in his official position as envoy. So here you have Debbie Wasserman Schultz. “It is wrong, especially in a region as prosperous as this one, to continue to allow the desperate situation that exists in Haiti to continue.” So it’s our fault, it’s our fault that Haiti is in its current state of devastation. We should take it over, we should do something, annex it, make it a state. Imperialism, yeah, make it a state, take it over.

    No word from Cuba about aid. They’re not sending anything. They don’t have anything. You say Hugo is going to send 30 people and some supplies? All right, well, good for him. Now, here are some facts about Haiti. It’s one-third of the island of Hispaniola. It’s in the Caribbean located between Cuba and Puerto Rico, one of the poorest countries in the western hemisphere. Eighty percent of the residents live in poverty. It’s one of the most densely populated, least developed countries in the Western hemisphere, and of course this, according to Debbie Wasserman Schultz, is our fault. Jean-Claude Duvalier declared himself president for life in 1964 and ruled as a dictator. In August of 1971 he died, and his son declared himself president for life. He used a secret police force called the Tontons Macoutes, which is bogeyman, to enforce his policies. Jean-Bertrand Aristide, the communist in December 1991, Haiti’s first free election. And in ’91 Aristide was outed in a military coup. He fled the country. The Organization of American States and United Nations led trade boycotts to try to force Aristide’s return to power.

    Many Haitians tried to flee to the US. They were forced back to Haiti. Later the refugees were sent to Guantanamo Bay in Cuba. In September of 1994, President Clinton, now the envoy to Haiti, sent a delegation there in hopes of avoiding a military conflict. He sent President Carter, General Powell, and Senator Sam Nunn. The peace deal does prevent an outbreak of fighting. And what happened was Colin Powell went in there and he took one of these military leaders — I forget the guy’s name. (interruption) It might be General Cedras. Yeah, I think it was. What a memory you’ve got there, H.R. General Cedras. He took General Cedras over to a window in this decrepit room and building they were in. He said, “General, you see this window? Ten minutes after we leave this building, I can have a missile fired and hit right through this window.” That’s when General Powell was still a Republican and was not making the top 100 liberal lists in British newspapers.

    I did not know until I looked this up, February 24th of 2004: “Reverend Al Sharpton, US presidential candidate, states that both Aristide and the political opposition leaders approved his suggestion to travel to Haiti to broker a peace agreement, after the former US-backed peace plan was rejected by the opposition leaders.” On February 28th, four days later, “Secretary of State Colin Powell urges Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide to step down, according to senior State Department officials. Aristide reaffirms his stance on his position; he will not leave until his term expires in 2006.” Aristide’s a communist. Now, I do think that part and parcel of helping out down there, it won’t be long before somebody in the Obama administration suggests that we reinstate, reinstall Aristide, because there’s sympathy with these kind of people. So we’ll keep a sharp eye on this, but I’m just fascinated here the country the president of the United States feels the need to apologize for, the country the president of the United States feels is immoral and unjust, can barely contain himself running to the cameras in less than 24 hours after this earthquake to pledge aid and to ask citizens who have lost their jobs because of his policies to donate to the relief effort.

    BREAK TRANSCRIPT

    RUSH: Yes, I think in the Haiti earthquake, ladies and gentlemen — in the words of Rahm Emanuel — we have another crisis simply too good to waste. This will play right into Obama’s hands. He’s humanitarian, compassionate. They’ll use this to burnish their, shall we say, “credibility” with the black community — in the both light-skinned and dark-skinned black community in this country. It’s made-to-order for them. That’s why he couldn’t wait to get out there, could not wait to get out there.

    BREAK TRANSCRIPT

    RUSH: President Obama, folks, cites in his book Dreams from My Father, page 293, the passages of Wright’s Audacity to Hope speech that most inspired him, what Reverend Wright said. This is one of the things Wright said that most inspired Obama: “In this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks’ greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere, that’s the world on which hope sits.” That’s a Reverend Wright statement Obama was most inspired by, in his own book.”

  3. 500,000 may dead in Haiti. Makes me not care about our debates about Rush and Sara Palin right now.

    I hate seeing kids with nobody to help them.

    I’ve become 100 times more sensitive to hearing anything bad happen kids these days.

    A lady at work was just about to adopt a little boy from there. Now she has no clue where he is.

    I hope Obama skips the damn committees for once.

  4. what is this? contest for who can have the longest comments?!

    Anyways, I already blogged my thoughts on pat and rush and you definitely are right on point here.

    As far as Palin is concerned, I was thinking about it a while ago how she just added to the reasons why higher office isn’t respected anymore. She was the freaking governor of a state, but she completely disgraced the office just like most conservatives do. She is doing nothing better or anything to contribute to the American debate on important issues. I personally would have been ok if she took on a Newt Gingrich role but her being a money grubbing talking head is beneath what she was supposed to be, which was a respected governor of an important state.

    I just don’t get it. She’s now in the same category as the White House crashers. Get to know important people, crash the WH and try to attention whore yourself for a new show.

  5. To prove how dumb this dunderhead is, consider this beauty:

    She was the freaking governor of a state, but she completely disgraced the office just like most conservatives do.

    She so disgraced the office, she was the most popular standing governor in the nation. Got bad news for you Densico the Dunderhead. The most disgraceful politicians in the nation since your false messiah stood in front of his greek columns pretending to be some sort of nebulous god, is a consensus of over the hill pols with a ‘D’ beside their name. They go by the names Frank, Pelosi, Reid, Durban. While Obama not disgraceful yet, his performance is. His incompetence may potentially bring down the Democratic party in less than two years. Stick that in your hot pants.

    How hard do you have to work Densico to sustain your level of stupidity? I can just see nasty beads of sweat dripping your equally nasty booty.

  6. They didn’t make the offer to Rachel Madcow.

    Tex, that has to be one of the silliest things you’ve ever said. Rachel has a very nice job, thank you very much and Fox could not pay her enough for her to work there.

    I do appreciate your comments on Robertson and I expected as much from you. I may not share your faith but I do respect the sincerity of your belief and your desire to be a righteous Christian.

  7. Rabbit,

    I never turn on the TV in the morning, but I did this morning. To look at Haiti is heartbreaking and horrific. That is what so angers me at idiots like Pat Robertson – a disgrace to anything Evangelical and despicable. Antithetical to anything of Christ.

    To be honest, it did make me wonder, “Why God? Why do things like this happen?”

  8. Gorilla, I just skimmed what had to be the longest comment ever left on my blog and I’ll tell you something. Your “context” in no way changed the excerpt played on Media Matters. The fact is that you and Tex should be ashamed of yourselves to try and justify the vile words of this man, who even if he had a political clue (which he does not) chose the most inopportune time to make his point. But of course, as Tex says, the man loves to push buttons.

    Furthermore, the despised Reverend Wright’s words are worth repeating:

    In this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks’ greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere, that’s the world on which hope sits.

    You object to the phrase “white folks”? I don’t blame you, EVERY man of every background who sits by and allows some countries to prosper while others live in desperation needs a wake up call. I’m not lecturing. I don’t do enough. You may do more than I do. But the Reverend’s point is still valid taken outside of the anti-white sentiment. We live in a world where luxury seems shameful when compared to the abject poverty of others. It’s a fact.

    All of you ditto-heads need to check yourselves. It is apparent to me that nothing Rush says can move you to say “enough!” That’s a damn shame.

  9. A lady at work was just about to adopt a little boy from there. Now she has no clue where he is.

    That’s a scenario that never occurred to me. Absolutely heartbreaking.

    I heard tonight that Haiti was so dysfunctional prior to the quake that they don’t really know how many people lived there much less how many may have died …. no adequate census.

  10. Tex, Sarah was the most popular Governor BEFORE she ran for VP. Alaska turned on her like a moose running from a helicopter.

    Yeah, that is why the ever beautiful Sarah P. is now a multi-millionaire with a number one selling book, and a huge threat to the elitists. Believe last I looked, she polled with Bomba without even announcing.

    That’s the second whopper you’ve told today Rutherford – wishful thinking on your behalf and no truth at all. Why don’t you prove that to all of us? Sarah Palin was quite popular before and after, left to make money in large part due to your pathetic pack of wolves filing thirteen frivolous lawsuits. The great thing is, the more you attack her, the richer she gets. She should send you a personal thank you note and cheer you on to post more baloney. You’ve had to be worth a mint all by your lonesome.

    Second, FOX News would no more hire Rachel Madcow than they would hire you. That was simply my way of indirectly stating, not only are you losing influence, so are your heroes. Madcow is no talent hack, plain and ignorant, not entertaining to anyone but a small demographic, and has been as horrid performer since the election, as she’s lost almost half her small audience. Kind of parallels the “Chosen One” – Morton Downey and Roseanne Barr, all rolled into one.

    Speaking of the losing BSLSD (MSNBC) Where’s Keith Ogremann been lately? I understand that shithead suffers from chronic intestinal problems? Good. I hope the parasites consume him live on stage. Now that, I would pay to see. 😛

  11. “R”,

    Why do you continually roll me in as a dittohead. I haven’t listened to Rush Limbaugh but maybe twice in years? Though I think him a brilliant entertainer and political commentator, I’m not a constant fan. But if he annoys guys like you to the point of obsession, I figure Rush has more good qualities than bad.

    But I will tell you this. Take it to the bank. While Pat Robertson is a classless fool for saying as much and should be scorned for the remark, Rev. Wright is pure evil, the biggest hypocrite I’ve ever witnessed. And you know that. May I remind you that a man posing as a preacher, is loud and vocal about the “poor”, blames the WHITE MAN, yet let his own impoverished congregation build him a muti-million dollar home in an almost exclusive community almost predominately white. And you have the unmitigated gall to quote him? You should be the first to condemn him.

    As I one heard an evangelist say, “We need to set the record straight. The problem with Africa is not America. It is Africa.” While my heart breaks for the impoverished, the problem with Haiti is not affluence. The problem with Haiti is Haiti – and the adjoining country of the Dominican Republic more than proves that.

  12. What was inaccurate of Rush’s statement? Really, I’m not quite sure how you can blast Rush and yet continue to watch MSNBC…

    Consider Obama’s reaction to the Haiti crisis versus his reaction to the Christmas day terrorist attack, or even Ft. Hood. Why is it his reaction time for bad things on America far slower than his reaction time for Haiti?

    Considering his collapsing poll numbers, you don’t think that this will provide so dearly needed fodder? How about the diversionary effect it will have on healthcare, which continues behind closed doors, in secret.

    Finally, have you ever actually looked at the history of Haiti? I’m sorry, I don’t take ownership for self inflicted gunshot wounds…

  13. As far as Palin is concerned, I was thinking about it a while ago how she just added to the reasons why higher office isn’t respected anymore. She was the freaking governor of a state, but she completely disgraced the office just like most conservatives do.— Dumbass

    How so?

    She is doing nothing better or anything to contribute to the American debate on important issues.— Dumbass

    Let me get this straight, communicating on the nation’s most popular cable news outlet does nothing to contribute to the American debate? Really?

    Cable news ratings for January 12th
    FNC – 1,459,000 viewers
    CNN – 561,000 viewers
    MSNBC –364,000 viewers
    CNBC – 204,000 viewers
    HLN –327,000 viewers

    Of course, that could be a fluke right? What about the 11th?
    FNC – 1,327,000 viewers
    CNN – 422,000 viewers
    MSNBC –338,000 viewers
    CNBC – 231,000 viewers
    HLN –317,000 viewers

    9th thru the 10th?
    FNC – 901,000 viewers
    CNN – 431,000 viewers
    MSNBC – 299,000 viewers
    CNBC – 176,000 viewers
    HLN –269,000 viewers

    FNC –970,000 viewers
    CNN – 441,000 viewers
    MSNBC –362,000 viewers
    CNBC – 237,000 viewers
    HLN – 245,000 viewers
    http://tvbythenumbers.com/category/ratings/cable-news

    Hmmmmmm, again, I can’t wait for your explanation for this ‘analysis’.

    “I personally would have been ok if she took on a Newt Gingrich role but her being a money grubbing talking head is beneath what she was supposed to be, which was a respected governor of an important state.”— Dumbass

    Do you think Newt is living off of savings right now? Curious…

    Once again, you demonstrate for all your status as a seagull, swooping in, dumping a load of shit, and then swooping away.

    Anyone have an alka seltzer tablet? 😉

  14. Rutherford on Robertson.
    Wow could you show YOUR ignorance and ARROGANCE more.
    At no time does he state the earthquake is from God. Throughout the embed and the show it was on there was an aid number. The concept of a cursed Haiti is well established in many circles and many in those same circles believe in evangelism. The curse isn’t that God is screwing the Haitians over but that they still suffer the taint of allegiance with Satan. Now whether you believe that stuff or not your representation of Robertson is bag of trash.

  15. On Rush.
    Overplayed hand by a mile. It has been my experience that the “black community” of the USA pretty much hates Haitians. In turn it has been my experience with the Haitian community in Boston and environs that one of the biggest insults you can lay on a Haitian is calling them black as in US black.Not the n word mind you but being aligned to the native black population insults them.
    As for Obama I think he has neither grabbed this event as a distraction tool nor is it something he’s really looking forward to on the grounds of being a resume padder. He may get some leadership praise out of this but ultimately just like the tsunami the cameras leave sooner than later.

  16. From the Leftists shills that wrote “Game Change”

    Heilemann and Halperin have said elsewhere that they wrote “Game Change” because “what was missing” from the 2008 political coverage and what “might be of enduring value” was “an intimate portrait of the candidates and spouses who (in our judgment) stood a reasonable chance of occupying the White House.”

    LAT
    “Ooohh how soft and cuddly the Obamas are we’re so glad they won.”
    For crying out loud I hate Sarah Palin but to think you (Rutherford) or the writers have any class or cred is just too funny.This tell all book is a joke.

  17. More proof that not only do Bomba’s economic recovery policies not work, his attempt at rectifying is far and away the worst in recorded American history.

    Best graphic I have seen to demonstrate the man’s complete incompetence. Take a look at how Bomba’s policies stack up against previous recoveries during recession.

    http://biggovernment.com/2010/01/13/americas-new-years-unemployment-hangover/

    If Bomba were a CEO and the executives were Bomba’s cabinet, they would be fired immediately.

  18. I don’t blame you, EVERY man of every background who sits by and allows some countries to prosper while others live in desperation needs a wake up call. I’m not lecturing. I don’t do enough. You may do more than I do.

    I’m going to be really busy today, and there is much that deserves a response here, including the wasted gesture of asking Senseless to expound on her inanities with actual examples, but I think this, more than anything else sums up where you and most of the Left get it completely and hopelessly wrong, R.

    “ALLOWS some countries to prosper while others live in desperation?” Really? I’ve commented on this in the past, and even blogged on the subject. Americans, by far and away are without question the most generous of ANY nation with their own money in terms of the aid donated to other countries, and the money paid in taxes and allocated to foreign aid is not insignificant either. Yet it is so deeply ingrained in the left’s mindset that those that got have to give everything they have to thems that not that it never even occurs to them that having isn’t just a matter of luck, or accident of birth. One of the reasons this nation has prospered has traditionally been that our government has been realitivly free of corruption, comparatively speaking, and until the current band fo theives and liars got elected, government has understood that the earnings from the citizens’ labor was largely their own. Before you DARE wag your finger in my face again, you need to consider a few things:
    1. You’re correct. You have absolutely no idea what I give away. The fact is I don’t either, because it isn’t just about tithes, charitable donations to the charities of my choosing (and not the government’s), but also to the pro bono work I do, which isn’t as much as I’d like, but we have bills to pay, and the countless other ways I give…my time to scouting, helping to train up the next generation and instill values that are conspiculously and sorrowfully absent in the rest of society today, direct donations, etc. I’ve never bothered to count the cost, but just a brief inventory like this lets me know it is considerable.
    2. Some countries are poor because they have crappy, corrupt, and evil leaders. Every man needs to make a choice at some point in their life, with a full understanding of the cost. Do you live like half a man, going along to get along and being satisified whith whatever your leaders will let you have or keep, or do you live what may be a very abbreviated life in the service of an ideal so powerful that many people have given their lives for it, and will continue to do so…the idea that you can live as a free man under a government that serves you and not the other way around. Look at the history of some of these countries that have and continue to be the national equivalent of the public toilet at the chili cook-off. These people opted for the same choices that their parents and grandparents did. And their kleptocratic leaderships keep obsconding with the aid that we send by government, and what private charities they can lay hands on as well, and the Swiss continue to see their deposits grow. The ones who care enough to change their circumstances get out, and come here, or they die like men, which I can still respect.

    3. This basic truth is yet more evidence of the single greatest truism that has haunted human society since their has been human society: The Poor Will ALWAYS Be WIth Us.
    That doesn’t mean that we turn a blind eye to it. That doesn’t mean we do nothing about it. What that does mean is that it is folly for government to declare war on poverty, spend Billions on programs that have absolutely no chance of making any significant change to the lives of recipients, and encourage the destruction of families while ever increasing a subclass dependent upon the aid and the politicians determined to funel it to them, until perhaps the most striking result is the creation of economic stagnation among the people being helped, and an eventual lowering of the standard of living for those paying the bill because it becomes so large that it always requires MORE. The only winners in that equation are the politicians who manage to make the rattling of chains sound like a spoon clattering inside a food bowl.

    Check yourself, indeed. I’ve spent time working with aid agencies. Have you? Trust me. For every genuine act of aid, there are two who end up giving meaning to the term entitlement, with the attitude, and the expectation. And it needs to stop, or this won’t end well.

  19. Man, I saw Bomba this morning on TV talking about Haiti and has he aged in one year. This HDTV is cool stuff on the big screen, but you can see the flaws on everyone.

    Who cuts Bomba’s hair? Why does the President of the United States have a Moe haircut? It looked like somebody had taken a bowl and a dull razor to his head. I was fully expecting when he turned around, somebody had shaved the peace sign on the back of his head, or maybe an “I’m #1” like the basketball players do

  20. Hey “R”,

    I know you’re a diehard and all, but are you going to join the pack of slugs people on PuffHO finally seeing the lack of character and truth. Can you be man enough to bring yourself to admit great personal disappointment like this ugly liberal woman?

    Even PuffHO is now firing shots about Bomba & Co.’s gamma ray corruption.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/how-the-white-house-used_b_421549.html

    Sad, sad…tsk tsk my old friend. See, when you roll in the mud, you’re going to get stained. I’m just trying to save you further embarrassment because of all clueless lefties liberals turning on “THE ONE”. 😉

  21. Before you DARE wag your finger in my face again, you need to consider a few things:

    Wow! I wonder how you would’ve reacted if I had assumed you were an uncharitable selfish prick and launched an argument based on that assumption. However, as you noted yourself, I did not. Considering my own limited resources and my own limited contributions to the betterment of society I placed a healthy wager that you do or have done more than I have.

    If you’re this defensive when you’re in the right, I’d hate to think what goes on in your head when you’re in the wrong. 😉

  22. Wow could you show YOUR ignorance and ARROGANCE more.

    Alfie, I would never have expected this from you of all people.

    Please interpret for me how Robertson (charity scroll across the bottom of the screen be damned) could possibly be interpreted to say anything worth while in this instance. If God did not tear Haiti asunder according to Robertson, then what was the point of his historical lecture? Is he saying the Devil visited this ruin upon Haiti? And if so, are we now saying the Devil and God were in a battle for Haiti’s well being and God lost? Please enlighten me on how Robertson could be viewed as anything but a mean spirited deluded fool.

    You know, I expected some rah-rah-Rush stuff to come pouring out in the comments section … and of course the valiant conservatives always come to the defense of Sarah. But I never thought Robertson would find a defense here and least of all from you Alfie.

  23. BiW, on the substance of your comment, getting past the defense of your own charity:

    I’m not a big fan of the “war” on anything. However, as I have been considering how to fight injustice without regard to race, it has occurred to me that the fight must be waged against poverty which cuts across racial lines. The fight does not necessarily have to include entitlements. The best thing we can do in ghettos, white or black, is to put people to work. Work dignifies … and of course pays the bills. That is the war we need on poverty.

    On another note, I cannot sit here and say it is our fault that Haiti has a dysfunctional government. Yet it seems somewhat ass backward that we must now pour millions into Haiti for relief when perhaps less money could have been spent strongly encouraging an effective government there with a modern infrastructure before this crisis.

  24. On another note, I cannot sit here and say it is our fault that Haiti has a dysfunctional government. Yet it seems somewhat ass backward that we must now pour millions into Haiti for relief when perhaps less money could have been spent strongly encouraging an effective government there with a modern infrastructure before this crisis.

    I’m pretty sure you’re not the first person who thought of it, R. I know that although it is filled with tools and idiots who don’t really like this country very much, the State Department still doesn’t like contributing to the delinquency of kleptocratic leaders of third world nations. It tends to make them look bad and have to answer uncomfortable questions during budget hearings. And what are your other alternatives? The Useless Nitwits? They have turned kleptocracy into a science, and have been there for decades, which only proves the point.

    Any lasting change will only come through the people of those nations themselves changing themselves and demanding more of their leaders than sticky fingered thugs who view their time in office as their turn to enjoy the finer things in life, and divert aid meant to give their people a hand up and not just a hand out. That is why even if you were to determine that we would have to take over ourselves to make it work, it still would not. Without a sense of accountablility to a higher power (yes, I’m talking about God), the people in that country and in that government will never be able to look beyond their own noses, and the aid given will never have its full or fully intended effect.

  25. Don’t confuse my calling you out on your dishonesty as a direct defense of Robertson. You and the other neo pagans of the world love to take shots at God and those that worship Him. You misrepresented and out right lied about what Robertson said and then in your response comment continue to spin reality without intellectual honesty towards the context.
    Robertson stands in the camp that believes there is a spiritual curse upon Haiti. There are many ultra Catholics that believe Russia is under a curse as well.Do we really need a class on the various beliefs of Jews and Muslims too? It is a simple reality that people of faith hold views you will never like and often choose to ridicule.How Dawkins/Hitchins of you.
    In reality the likes of Robertson have been at the forefront of Haitian charity before this quake,and they’ll be there now and more importantly they’ll be there later when the internationals bail.

  26. On second thought, I do want to say something favorable about Robertson that as Alfie noted does go unnoticed.

    Alfie is right Rutherford. Haiti is only visible when disaster strikes and our military lands to bring order. This is what secular types like you see and nothing more. But even you should give people like Pat his due. Robertson’s charity never left Haiti. And the charity is done without fanfare. But it is not just Robertson. Hundreds, if not thousands of churches do missionary trips to Haiti, including my young niece who is now in college and goes twice a year to Haiti on mission trips.

    In fact, I would wager Christian missionaries have done more for Haitians than the U.S. federal government. The one thing the missionaries can not do is bring order from the lawlessness. Obviously, the military is required. But without the charity of Christians, Haitians may have disappeared by now. And that really is the truth Rutherford.

  27. Alfie is right Rutherford.

    Oh goodness gracious. I was JUST about to post a comment to Alfie asking him if Tex is a neo-pagan and what do I see … Tex folding like a f*cking deck of cards because Pat gives money to Haiti without fanfare.

    Let’s get this straight. I did not address Pat’s charitable work in my article. I addressed his words which come from a friggin crazed brain.

    Alfie, I asked you a question you conveniently avoided,. Did God lose a battle with Satan over Haiti? You say Robertson did not imply that God visited this destruction upon Haiti … ok let’s decompose what WAS said:

    Haiti swore a pact with the Devil and since then they’ve been miserable. OK … so now we’re talking WHY they’re screwed. Because they made a deal with the Devil. It follows very clearly that they therefore deserve what befalls them. I mean c’mon, THEY acted badly by doing business with Lucifer.

    Now, what is Pat’s solution? They need to turn to God. If they need to turn to God (future tense) that means they have abandoned God (present and past tense). So either God is visiting holy hell upon them or he is sitting back letting the Devil do it, until they change their ways and turn to Him.

    Please tell me Alfie where I got that wrong. And don’t blow it off by calling me a neo-pagan whatever the hell that is. Tell me how Robertson’s comment illustrates the compassion of the Christian faith and gives testimony to a loving God. Let’s hear it Alfie.

    If you want me to say that the money that comes out of Robertson’s church overrides the gobbledeegook that comes out of his mouth, then maybe I can give that some consideration but don’t sit there and tell me that what Robertson said was kosher. It wasn’t.

  28. And HOLY FRIGGIN COW!!!! I now see BiW basically signing up for the Robertson cure,

    The only way Haiti will get out of this mess is for the people to rise up against corrupt government, OK, you kinda had me there. I could quibble with you that a beaten down population finds it hard to rise up, but I can fully agree that if you let the bastards keep screwing you over, they will continue to screw you over.

    But then you had to take it to next step. The only way they can find the strength to rise up is to recognize a higher power (God).

    You know I have long suspected that the patriotism of you and your friends here on the blog is grounded in some nutjob delusion that our country is blessed by God. Do you know what you guys really want?

    YOU GUYS REALLY WANT A F*CKING THEOCRACY!!! With the exception of Red Pill who gets his politics from a pure ideology, and Rabbit who is kinda on the fence, all the rest of you have church and state so mixed up in your heads that you might as well be a friggin imam.

  29. Uh Rutherford,

    I don’t think I folded anything, and if you want further information and proof, you can see that I clearly said that at blackiswhite’s blog this morning.

    I can condemn Pat Robertson for his remarks and still recognize his good works. Operation Blessing never left Haiti.

    It is you that is completely confused (what’s new) about what we Christians want. I could just as easily say to you that what you want is a completely secular state, where the public display of faith is considered criminal. I know for a fact this is not what our founders intended and it is easily proven even today.

    To say American Christians want a theocracy is either paranoia on your part, a smoke screen which you use as club to attempt to further your political agenda, or a complete misunderstanding of Christianity and another demonstration of your lack of grounded history.

    May I remind you that our ancestors, not yours, broke away from jolly, old England in large part because of the establishment of a theocracy? Of course, we also broke away because of taxation without representation which is exactly what you and your ilk continually try to impose upon us.

    The leftist belief that we should have equally outcomes, not equal opportunity, is one of the guiding philosophies of your nature and an indicator and explanation of why your philosophy always fails.

    Really Rutherford – you used to be so much better as a simple agitator and as each day passes, you become more unhinged. When it comes to the formulation of solutions, you don’t have an idea how to operate. You don’t even know how to frame the question(s) accurately.

    Don’t blame Black, Red, Rabbit, or Alfie for the failures of the man you worship as god, your own demands of secular rule notwithstanding.

  30. YOU GUYS REALLY WANT A F*CKING THEOCRACY!!! With the exception of Red Pill who gets his politics from a pure ideology, and Rabbit who is kinda on the fence, all the rest of you have church and state so mixed up in your heads that you might as well be a friggin imam.

    Rutherford, you really do need to stop making these wild-assed leaps. You’re going to break your neck doing it one of these days.

    I want nothing of the sort. A mixing of church and state like is found in a theocracy is a bad idea because it would debase religion in a way that would rob both of legitimacy. What I would like is a return to honesty and true neutrality. Embracing secular humanism is not neutral as secular humanism is also a religion, just one that substitutes man for God. This is something that is still true today, even though modern secular humanists don’t like to talk about it. You don’t have to take my world for it. You have a computer. Look up the first humanist manifesto. Take ten minutes to read the language and let it sink in. Hell, even agenda driven judges like Hugo Black recognized secular humanism for what it is. Google ‘Torcaso v. Watkins’. You might learn something. I know I did, and it is one of the many, many reasons I call “Bullshit” every single time I hear a secular humanist talk about “the separation of church and state” when I see how government promotes the secular humanist agenda to the exclusion and detriment of every other religion. Neutrality is really the last thing that we have on the subject in this country today.

    And as for my specific comment, I know it isn’t the first time I’ve gone there, R. It is really very simnple. If I am asked who I trust more with authority and power, someone who believes in God and has demonstrated that belief in some fashion and someone who does not, the first guy wins every time, because while it isn’t an iron’clad guarantee that that person won’t abuse that power, them knowing and believing that they are accountable not only to the voters, but for their soul, and will one day stand before the judgment seat, tends to instill character where none might have existed before, and will strengthen what was already there. The number one problem with the legitimacy in government today is trust. We simply can’t trust it anymore. We cannot trust Congress to respect its limitations and act with our money the way that we are expected to act with our money. We cannot trust the President to keep his promises. We cannot trust the Executive Branch to not usurp oowers it does not have. Increasingly, we cannot trust the Courts to apply the law to facts, rather than usurp the legislatures role and make it up out of whole cloth. We cannot trust the bureaocracy to do anything that ultimately has anything in mind beyond what is good for the bureacracy. You don’t have to like it, but you’d be a fool to deny it.

    As for your fallacious beliefs about the separation of church and state, are you going to continue to wallow in your ignorance, or are you going to educate yourself so we can have a real conversation about it? Because I am confident that I can totally blow your false beliefs right out of the water just with the words and deeds of the Founding Father from whom the left adapted that particular bit of legal perversion that has been used to hamstring the role of all religions other than secular humanism in our culture. And the rest of them? Yeah, they definately don’t support your worldview on this one R. If you understood the real history, then you would understand why it is so very, very offensive to hear a self-serving Congresscritter rationalize their vote for an “unprecedented” and “historic” usurpation of power by an entity NEVER MEANT TO HAVE IT with the phrase “When history calls, history calls.” This from a member of the body that when asked to cite the Constitutional authority for what it is doing will often give a blank stare, sometimes followed by a dismissive statement about it being in there somewhere.

  31. 😆

    You know what Rutherford? I know you don’t answer my charges anymore, but nothing tickles me more than to watch one lib turn on another lib when the rubber meets the road – in otherwords power, money, authority and/or prestige.

    Michael Bloomberg slapping Obama down? Say it so Mr. Lawson…

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/mike_bam_bank_tax_will_wreck_new_qOszNSlmtXsti5khljxD0O

    Getting where the false messiah and his pandering in front of greek columns can’t please anyone, huh?

  32. …is a bad idea because it would debase religion

    No chance religion might debase government? 😉

    We cannot trust Congress …We cannot trust the President … We cannot trust the Executive Branch … we cannot trust the Courts …We cannot trust the bureaocracy …

    Funny how in 90% of these cases, the offices are held by God fearing Christians and Jews. An atheist or true secular humanist doesn’t stand a chance of being elected dog catcher in this country. So tell me how their faith is helping? Or do we need government to dictate that elected officials follow the rules of God? A sharia law of sorts? That gets us back to theocracy, doesn’t it?

  33. Rutherford (as Tex shakes head in disbelief),

    First of all Tex, I don’t think anyone would characterize Bloomberg as a liberal.

    Except the liberal city of New York whose constituency is way far left – oh, and Michael Bloomberg.

    I think I’m beginning to understand your confusion about so many matters of importance.

  34. Temper temper Rutherford. I am a big believer in the separation of church and state.

    As for the rest of your rant I’ll address it in no particular order.
    Neo pagan seems to be easily definable via breaking down the words. It is so more honest a term for the ego stroking/stoking so called atheists. Atheists unlike the word implies have a firm belief in something. The altar of Dawkins and Co. no different in nature than many of the sheister evangelists.

    You take great leaps for a person who confesses to have no love or learning of the Word. Throughout history man has wondered why and how any god let alone God could allow the horrors to befall us all. Simply put it just isn’t credible to believe God is responsible for everything. War and pestilence for example generally requires mans free will to occur.

    As for your question,I must admit I missed that somewhere. So from number 33 it looks like

    Did God lose a battle with Satan over Haiti?

    Now your asking me MY beliefs as opposed to what Robertson said. A deal can be struck with either God or Satan or the guy next door without it involving any other entity. Classically a deal with the Devil isn’t a loss for God,He wasn’t really in the equation. Striking a deal with the Devil is akin to a deal with making one with the local crack dealer. The ravages you feel later have nothing to do with a spiteful God. It’s not God’s doing at all.

    Your follow up comments seem to focus on Robertson being crazed. I simply made the points that many people of many faiths believe in curses.I honestly don’t understand your hysteria.
    I’m reminded of how the Left was all recently abuzz regards Brit Humes insult to humanity. This is no different just on a grander scale.
    Robertson and company (which I’m NOT one of personally) believe the nation of Haiti is cursed. They further believe repentance is the way away from it. They do this all the while reaching out and helping but no no no they must be crushed by Lawson and company.

    Seriously I feel you are drinking too much MediaMatter Kool Aid buddy. Let me close with a comparison of thoughts. You defended (of course you did) Reids racism as being ok due to it possessing a grain of truth. How is Robertson or someone like him not afforded that same defense?

  35. On a completely different note
    Rutherford states

    I don’t think anyone would characterize Bloomberg as a liberal.

    Actually most of his opponents do. They usually look at what they perceive as his perpetuation of NYC insane jobs killing tax codes and his embracing of classic nanny state liberty killings.

  36. I need to take my time reading. Rutherford states

    Tell me how Robertson’s comment illustrates the compassion of the Christian faith and gives testimony to a loving God. Let’s hear it Alfie.

    I don’t know if I answered that in #41 so let me say this.
    Someone can sit outside on a street corner exclaiming the sins of people all day. I mean they can get right in the face of someone and tell them their sins. That’s got nothing to do with God or Christ.
    But when that same person looks at that same person and prays and prays and gives shelter and clothing and tries to show some love. That’s all about Christ.
    Saying Haiti is under a curse then asking for countless prayers and donations for the people of Haiti…Rutherford you just don’t have your head on straight on this one man.

  37. Funny how in 90% of these cases, the offices are held by God fearing Christians and Jews.

    I’ll concede that many are held by people who refer to themselves as such, but the ideas that they champion tend to say otherwise…and say it very loudly, which makes them either liars or such coimplete neophytes that it they don’t understand that the faith they profess and the policies they support are frequently, but not always at odds.

  38. How is Robertson or someone like him not afforded that same defense?

    Oooohhhh! Ooooohhhh!

    I know!

    Because admitting that would be admitting that there is truth in Christianity, and good liberals, like all post-modern “thinkers” are required to reject such a concept because the only truth post-modernists can accept is that there is no truth.

  39. WHHHAAATTTTTT?

    Funny how in 90% of these cases, the offices are held by God fearing Christians and Jews. An atheist or true secular humanist doesn’t stand a chance of being elected dog catcher in this country

    Good grief, the Congressional Halls are more than represented by secular humanists with four out of nine of the SCOTUS made up of the secular collection. I’m guessing there are five.

    Rutherford, let me fill you in on what must be a secret to you. I can call myself an Imam and not be Muslim. I can call myself a Pope and be a pagan. I can call myself Jewish and be completely secular, as if Judaism a birthright or creed. Many Jews call themselves Jewish and consider themselves atheists – one they will find that Abraham won’t agree with and certainly Elohim won’t agree.

    Now, I know you’re an Obama rube, but you aren’t the fool. Wake up man!

  40. Saw Madcow talking to the Haiti AMB a couple days ago- actually heard it on the radio- where she professed her profound apologies for Pat Robertson.

    Robertson doesn’t speak for me, which is why I care little about what he said, but neither does Madcow.

    As a sid note, did you know her friends call her Paul? Can’t make this stuff up…

  41. Gorilla,

    As a sid note, did you know her friends call her Paul? Can’t make this stuff up…

    Paul, huh? I never saw that in Madcow and always thought she looked more like a Butch.

  42. R, this is just one of the funniest things I’ve ever heard. Really, I can’t fathom how this twit got elected AG, let alone selected to be the heir to the Swimmer…

    Martha Coakley: Devout Catholics ‘Probably shouldn’t work in the emergency room’

  43. Elric dropped this at my place, but it certainly belongs here too. And to think, they’re courting this guy to run for Dorgan’s seat…

  44. Gorilla,

    Truth be told, I bet 99% of liberals in America would agree with Schultz. It’s the real reason I disdain liberals, as I find them inherently dishonest and self-absorbed; country be damned.

    I don’t think the idea of rigging the vote even bothers Rutherford. What happened in Minnesota was an outrage, anyone of sound mind knew what was going down, yet Rutherford expressed no concern.

  45. Really, I can’t fathom how this twit got elected AG

    I guess I’m confused … maybe I missed it but the notorious quote about devout Catholics was not in that video. G, are you talking about Jessica’s Law?

    As for the devout catholic quote … more trumped up nonsense. She wasn’t talking about all devout Catholics. She was talking about Catholics whose religious beliefs interfere with their doing their job. Her comment made good sense. If your job is to administer emergency contraception and your religious beliefs prohibit that, then you’re in the wrong damn job.

    I think this was the video you meant to link: (If I’m wrong, tell me your gripe about Jessica’s law)

  46. Oh G and Tex get over yourselves. I’m proud to say that of all the MSNBC personalities, that I most resemble on my internet radio show, Ed Schulz is it! 🙂

    If you’re referring to Al Franken with your Minnesota whining … sorry Al won fair and square. Just a shame Norm dragged it out so long.

    Should the Dem’s cheat to win MA … of course not. But let’s get this straight. The Libs who are passionate about Coakley know what is at stake. She could be ANYBODY … Charlie Manson even … (LOL) and they’d still want her elected because we need the 60th vote. Plain and simple.

    Wow do you guys have a hard time with politics. This is how the game is played gentlemen. Should we cheat to get Coakley in, no. But she needs to get elected. (And as I’ve said before (on another blog) if she loses it will be no one’s fault but hers because she is incredibly arrogant.)

  47. Wow do you guys have a hard time with politics. This is how the game is played gentlemen.

    No, it is how your ilk play the game, and hell yes you and your thieves absolutely stole an election in MN – no doubt about it.

    I noted that none of the scum from the lamestream media was able to travel there and demand to observe. Cheating all the way…but that is okay – your time is a comin’ and right soon.

  48. R, this should infuriate you, but I suspect it won’t, which brings your ‘how the game is played’ bullshit into perspective.

    Note: This isn’t a fucking game.

    We’re talking about trillions of dollars of debt that will be passed to our children and grandchildren. We’re talking about the injection of the federal government into everysingle person’s life at the most sensitive of issues- our well being.

    You should be ashamed of what has been occurring, whether it be the ignoring of constituents at townhall meetings, or the taking-the-phone-off-the-hook tactic at Congressional offices. How about the hundreds of millions of dollars worth of bribes being levied in the “Peoples” name for votes. Now, they’re not even using the formal legislative process to pass this thing- like all other legislation is passed. No, we get to see ‘democracy’ in action behind closed doors, in secret, without all repreasentative bodies. Nice party you got there…

    I would expect you at some point to look at all of these underhanded, unethical, and unconstitutional machinations. You should should be ashamed of your party and for what they now stand for.

    Now we have this:

    Dems Look at Bypassing Senate Health Care Vote
    White House looks at passing health care without new Senate vote if GOP wins in Massachusetts
    By CHARLES BABINGTON
    The Associated Press
    BOSTON

    A panicky White House and Democratic allies scrambled Sunday for a plan to salvage their hard-fought health care package in case a Republican wins Tuesday’s Senate race in Massachusetts, which would enable the GOP to block further Senate action.

    The likeliest scenario would require persuading House Democrats to accept a bill the Senate passed last month, despite their objections to several parts.

    Aides consulted Sunday amid fears that Republican Scott Brown will defeat Democrat Martha Coakley in the special election to fill the late Edward M. Kennedy’s seat. A Brown win would give the GOP 41 Senate votes, enough to filibuster and block final passage of the House-Senate compromise on health care now being crafted.

    House Democrats, especially liberals, viewed those compromises as vital because they view the Senate-passed version as doing too little to help working families. Under the Senate-passed bill, 94 percent of Americans would be covered, compared to 96 percent in the version passed last year by the House.

    The House plan would increase taxes on millionaires while the Senate plan would tax so-called Cadillac, high-cost health insurance plans enjoyed by many corporate executives as well as some union members.

    When the House passed its version, members assumed it would be reconciled with the Senate bill and then sent back to both chambers for final approval, even if by the narrowest of margins.

    A GOP win in Massachusetts on Tuesday would likely kill that plan, because Republicans could block Senate action on the reconciled bill.

    The newly discussed fallback would require House Democrats to swallow hard and approve the Senate-passed bill without changes. President Barack Obama could sign it into law without another Senate vote needed.

    House leaders would insist that the Senate make some changes later under a complex plan called “budget reconciliation.” It requires only a simple majority, but it’s unclear whether that could happen.

    The plan is highly problematic. House liberals already are bristling over changes the Senate forced upon them earlier, and some may conclude that no bill is better than the Senate bill. Meanwhile, some moderate Democrats may abandon the health bill altogether after seeing a Republican win Kennedy’s seat in strongly Democratic Massachusetts.

    Republican activists openly scoffed at the notion of Democrats passing the highly contentious health package after a GOP takeover of Kennedy’s Senate seat. But some Democrats said failure to pass a health bill will cripple their ability to tell voters this November that they accomplished anything with their control of the House, Senate and White House.

    “The simplest way is the House route,” a White House aide said Sunday, speaking on condition of anonymity because Democrats have not conceded the race to Brown.

    White House press secretary Robert Gibbs declined to discuss the option, telling reporters that the administration expects Coakley to win.

    If she does win, final passage of a House-Senate compromise on overhauling health care is not guaranteed but seems likely.

    But even as Obama campaigned for Coakley in Boston Sunday, top aides furiously weighed options if she loses. They include:

    —Acting before Brown is sworn in. Congressional and White House negotiators could try to reconcile the House and Senate bills quickly and pass the new version before Brown takes office. A firestorm of criticism would follow, but some Democrats say it would be better than having no bill.

    —Seeking a Republican to cast the crucial 60th Senate vote. Some Democrats hope Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, might do this, but others seriously doubt it.

    —Start over and pass a new, scaled back health bill using budget reconciliation, which requires a simple majority of 51 Senate votes. Several Senate aides said this was unlikely.

    Speaker Nancy Pelosi has repeatedly ruled out a House vote on the Senate’s version, and privately, officials have raised concerns about asking the rank and file to vote on legislation containing provisions that might prove problematic in the midterm elections.

    As an example, the Senate-passed measure exempts self-insured health plans from many of the steps Democrats say are essential to curb insurance industry abuses. By one estimate, as many as 100 million individuals are covered under such plans.

    It was unclear how the negotiators at the White House in recent days have resolved that issue.

    Additionally, House Democrats in last week’s talks pushed for additional subsidies for lower-income individuals and families who would be required to buy insurance under the measure that cleared the Senate. Several Democrats familiar with the talks said Obama had agreed with this point of view, and changes had been made accordingly.

    ———

    Associated Press writers David Espo and Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar contributed to this report.

    Copyright 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

    Copyright © 2010 ABC News Internet Ventures

  49. Actually the truth about people of faith ERs and Coakley is all about a bill that was going to force Catholic Hospitals to offer abortion services. Coakley extends that to ER emergency contraception procedures in the case of rape. This is insanely dishonest since a rape victim can easily get care and the crime kit done anywhere. It is also somewhat a misnomer when one throws around “emergency contraception”. That is basically two birth control pills at once within 72 hours or a dose of 486.
    On this the pundits have only helped Coakleys dishonesty but the spin against her is sound since its based on her actual words.

  50. Well at least Rutherford admits to a complete lackof morality and good human sense. Manson 2012,Hitler 2012,Dahmer 2012, just vote for Obama policies and you’re in.
    How come you hate Trent Lott or Larry Craig. I mean really it’s the same thing. They’re vile but if they toe the party line it’s all good right? Is it just because they don’t toe the line of your party.

    Wow! You’ve said in a few places now that I’ve thrown you through a loop. You’ve sent me to the head to vomit.

  51. G, I hate to break it to you but it is completely legit for the House to pass the Senate bill as is and get it on Obama’s desk for signature. Nothing “wrong” with that at all.

    The filibuster is one HUGE game that your GOP plays to the hilt if given the chance. I think it was Judd Gregg who actually wrote a friggin guide for Republicans to follow to delay HCR legislative progress by any means necessary. Puhleeeeze, don’t talk to me about games.

  52. Well Alfie, clearly I was using exaggeration to make my point. Bottom line, and there can be no arguing this, a lot of libs are focused on the number 60 and they’d elect a fence post (to use a less offensive metaphor) to get it. For me to deny that, would be disingenuous to say the least.

    As for Coakley and what she “said” about the ER, I still don’t see the big to-do. If part of your job is to administer the morning after pill and you cannot do that in good conscience, then you need to change jobs. I don’t see the logic gap there.

  53. Rutherford, and this I’m serious:

    As for Coakley and what she “said” about the ER, I still don’t see the big to-do. If part of your job is to administer the morning after pill and you cannot do that in good conscience, then you need to change jobs. I don’t see the logic gap there.

    That is pure and simple fascism demanding men go against conscience, when it is certainly not necessary to do so. You and radical Islamists seem to have much in common.

    That comment, along with your lack of a problem about vote fraud, tells me that maybe you are not as redeemable as I once thought, are evil, shallow and cowardly, and apparently have little moral conscience yourself.

    Disappointing…there was a time I did believe you a man of virtue, no matter your confusion about a great many things. After watching your reaction this year and inability to cope, I realize how unfair and biased you are in judgment. A perfect progressive. Remember our agreement about most executives? Your conscience is not much different.

  54. That is pure and simple fascism demanding men go against conscience, when it is certainly not necessary to do so.

    Huh? Who is demanding that someone go against conscience?

    You’re a doctor in an ER. A notorious child molester has been admitted with life threatening wounds. The guy disgusts you. It’s your job to save him. You want to kill him. So you tell a fellow doctor that you simply cannot provide the care and someone must sub for you. Might get you fired but you’re exercising your free will in keeping with your conscience.

    Rape victim wants morning after pill. Your faith forbids you to administer it. You tell another ER doc to please handle the case because you cannot in good conscience do it. If that is not feasible then you need to get reassigned to pediatrics or hemorrhoid removal.

    Please tell me again how I am a fascist.

  55. Another misguided analogy from a lefty as you compare saving a life vis-a-vis administering death and then consider the idea of the Hippocratic Oath. As in, first do no harm.

    Case #1 – will get you fired as you can not refuse to treat anybody to save a life simply on account of evil.

    Case #2 – you are asking the doctor to take a potential life. No other life is in danger besides the potential of an infant, which I remind you that you were once. Even the courts have supported right of refusal. Go to another place of death called Planned Parenthood or any place who employ lefty doctors who will happily administer RU-486 for a fee to enrich him or herself. They love death like Radical Islam.

  56. Should we cheat to get Coakley in, no. But she needs to get elected. (And as I’ve said before (on another blog) if she loses it will be no one’s fault but hers because she is incredibly arrogant.)

    So you admit that she is incredibly arrogant, and with the never ending stream of gaffes and contempt she shows for the average Taxachusetts voter, you still think she “Needs” to be elected, all to ensure the passage of a federal bill that people don’t want. What ever happened to letting the people of a state decide for themselves who will represent them in D.C.?

  57. Also regard the Schultz thing. Rutherford how quick would you write up a post if say Limbaugh or Beck called Democrats “bastards”?
    I found both the hostility and the cheating talk to be alarming.

  58. Alfie, c’mon. I’m really not that thin-skinned. If Rush only went as far as calling Dem’s bastards, there would hardly be anything to blog about. Heck … sticks and stones … you know?

    It’s Rush’s content, not his name calling that is of concern. Heck, I haven’t even blogged about “Barack the Magic Negro”. I’ve also been careful to not jump on the Rush is racist bandwagon. Rush is a traitor and a schmuck but I wouldn’t’ swear he’s a racist. In fact, when I signed the change.org petition I edited the accompanying pre-written letter to remove any references to Rush being a racist.

  59. What ever happened to letting the people of a state decide for themselves who will represent them in D.C.?

    The people will decide and until they do, libs get to try and sway their opinion. It’s called campaigning. 😉

  60. Well Tex, at least you’re a consistent pro-lifer. No exceptions even in the case of rape and incest. Seriously, I admire that. If you’re gonna be pro-life there should be no exceptions (except health of the mother) since none of the exceptions were the fault of the conceived kid.

  61. Rutherford,

    Are you really so naive that you’re going to pull that red herring about rape and incest? zzzzzzzzzz…worse than the “safe, legal and rare” facade.

    It’s a hollow argument in all extreme cases and you know it. Besides, any woman can run to Planned Parenthood Clinic and they give it away like candy, and are proud to help any woman snuff her baby. Waiting until the morning rush won’t change a thing.

  62. That’s because “Barak the Magic Negro” was first uttered by the LA Times. Rush’s parody of it using a sound alike to Al Sharpton is just absolutely hilarious…

    It’s OK R, keep your head firmly implanted…

  63. A traitor??? That’s a bit much, even coming from you, R.

    Well, saying that you want the Commander-in-Chief to fail comes pretty close to traitor in my book. Lots of different ways he could have expressed his dissent but an unqualified, unmodified, preference for the total failure of the President … mmm yeah, traitor is one word that comes to mind.

    By the way, that other blowhard who keeps telling the country that its President is not keeping it safe … he’s another traitor and a far worse one since he was once entrusted with public service.

  64. I’m a traitor against Bomba – I want his polices to fail, and therefore I want him to ultimately fail. I want Bomba to catastrophically fail so badly that America would rather live through the Jimmy Carter years again. After 2012, I want the progressive party to die an ugly death and I want the people of that party to be scorned, mocked and hated. I want Americans to speak the name of Bomba with shame and throw rocks at his bus for all of history.

    I think Bomba is the biggest phony there is, this side of Al Gore, was completely unqualified to manage anything, much less the Presidency, and a farce. His campaign was a pack of lies.

    Therefore, I proudly claim “R”‘s definition of traitor and am willing to endure some short term pain to bury the entire idea of liberal politic. It is a scourge on society, has been since the late 60’s, is an idea of amoral thought and utter failure, and deserves to interred next to its cousin fascism in the record book of history.

    I give the big one finger salute to Bomba, his cabinet, the Democratic Senators, the spin machine of the media, liberal bloggers like KKKos, Media Matters, PuffHo, and DU, and wish them defeat and humiliation in every facet of life.

    Did I leave any stone unturned? 😛

  65. Bomba Campaign Lie #31,121 and how gullible the American public can be – the world will love us when Bush/Hitler/Cheney are gone, and Obama will help regain American respect.

    While Hugo disses America as the “Haitian takeover”, and Bomba’s diplomats fly into Port-au-Prince holding up supplies for a photo op, the French accuse the U.S. of a military occupation too. Now exactly how has Obama gained American new found respect? The middle east certainly hasn’t gotten the message yet.

    Looks like Bomba and his sycophants have fallen short once again…

  66. Well, saying that you want the Commander-in-Chief to fail comes pretty close to traitor in my book. Lots of different ways he could have expressed his dissent but an unqualified, unmodified, preference for the total failure of the President … mmm yeah, traitor is one word that comes to mind.

    Sheer. Dangerous. Ignorance.

    Rutherford, the crowning principle of American government is that we do not owe allegience to any man, but to the nation itself, and those tasked with defending this nation, either in the MarketPlace of Ideas™, or those who would be prepared to make the ultimate sacrifice in defense of your life and your right to proudly display how much you simply do not understand do not swear an oath to the Oval Office, or anyone occupying it.

    They swear an oath to protect and defend the Constitution. Go back to your glorious celebration in January of 2008. Even your Chicago Messiah swore an oath to preserve. protect, and defend the Constitution.

    Hoping that the President fails and saying so out loud is not treason, and the minute that it is, the American Experiment is concluded. The very fact that you can seriously “feel” that uttering such words with conviction is proof of the jeopardy that we are in. Undoubtedly, when any person with the potential to understand not just the machinations of government, but the reasons for them and fails so miserably at doing so, it cannot be the fault of that person alone. The ‘educators’ from whom you received your instruction criminally failed you, R.

    By the way, that other blowhard who keeps telling the country that its President is not keeping it safe … he’s another traitor and a far worse one since he was once entrusted with public service.

    Such an attitude on your part demonstrates exactly why the Left is dangerous to this country. Not only would you criminalize the right to express an informed opinion contrary to to that of the party in power, but it also displays a willingness to do so without a shadow of remorse or a glimmer of foresight to a day when your party will again be on the outside looking in, which only feeds the growing perception that the Democrats believe that the fix is in, and they will never again have to stand for a real election.

    Oh, and that document that you clearly do not understand, yet are so dismissive of? It defines treason in Article III, Section 3:

    Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

    The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

    You’re a smart guy, R. You just happen to know a lot that just isn’t so, and have strong feelings about things that just aren’t true. What I haven’t figured out yet is whether it is intellectual laziness, or a partisan streak so broad that it simply refuses to let you see and understand the truths that are evident to anyone taking the time to look.

  67. Frankly. I think Cheney gives aid and comfort to the enemy when he uses a public forum to accuse the Commander-in-Chief of “dithering”. Cheney is, or at least was, a powerful man with friends in high places. If he wanted to influence policy he has the back channels to do so. Instead, he would rather delegitimatize the Commander-in-Chief and sow division among the populace. There is no way that Al-Qaeda’s leaders don’t have a hearty laugh every time Cheney opens his mouth.

  68. he would rather delegitimatize the Commander-in-Chief and sow division among the populace.

    Oh Lawd. Some things said on this board by Rutherford are so miserably duplicitous, hypocritical, wrong-headed, or fraudulent, you can’t help but giggle. I used to think this was an attempt at clever humor until I realized – “yeah, the guy really does think like this. A real Cindy Sheehan in the making.”

    Delegitimizing Bush as CiC was all the left did for eight years. Even if true and Cheney’s motives vicious and malevolent, why would this be any different than the millions of progressives across America who know how to do nothing else? Thank God for people like Dick Cheney, Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter who can play the “progressive game” of personal destruction better than progressives can play it themselves, and use the words of progressive politic against them to drive their pointy heads (like Obama’s) into the dirt like a tent stake.

    That is why progressives hate them so.

  69. Frankly. I think Cheney gives aid and comfort to the enemy when he uses a public forum to accuse the Commander-in-Chief of “dithering”. Cheney is, or at least was, a powerful man with friends in high places. If he wanted to influence policy he has the back channels to do so. Instead, he would rather delegitimatize the Commander-in-Chief and sow division among the populace. There is no way that Al-Qaeda’s leaders don’t have a hearty laugh every time Cheney opens his mouth.

    Nonsense. And spending MONTHS to formulate a split-the-baby plan is dithering. You can’t be so naive to believe that our enemies didn’t take note until Cheney pointed it out for the benefit of the American citizens, many of whom were busy spending their time in the unemployment lines counting their hopenchange in their otherwise empty wallets.

    But I am glad you brought up the issue of “aid and comfort”. If you were a jhadi, which would give you more aid and comfort? Dick Cheney pointing out the obvious: that the Chicago Messiah has no interest in fighting, let alone winning a war on terror, or his attorney general deciding that if the government lays hands on you, your fate will be determined by American criminal due process and Article III courts, which means that since you were denied that process from the start, you’ll be free after getting a soapbox from which to denounce the country that captured you comitting acts of war against it?

    Hint: There is only one answer to that question, and it doesn’t contain “BushCheneyHaliburton!!!111!!!!”

  70. Ehh, BiW, are either Moussaoui or Reid free? I didn’t think so.

    *taps on R’s skull, listens for echo*

    Moussaoui was subject to the system from the start, and was treated accordingly. For some of the others who will be coming to trial in the coming months and years? Notsomuch.

  71. “If he wanted to influence policy he has the back channels to do so”– R

    A common theme amongst you libs.

    Secondly R, you’re wrong again. See this is what happens when you take Media Matters word for it…

    This is what he said, January 16, 2009:
    “RUSH ARCHIVE: I got a request here from a major American print publication. “Dear Rush: For the Obama [Immaculate] Inauguration we are asking a handful of very prominent politicians, statesmen, scholars, businessmen, commentators, and economists to write 400 words on their hope for the Obama presidency. We would love to include you. If you could send us 400 words on your hope for the Obama presidency, we need it by Monday night, that would be ideal.” Now, we’re caught in this trap again. The premise is, what is your “hope.” My hope, and please understand me when I say this. I disagree fervently with the people on our side of the aisle who have caved and who say, “Well, I hope he succeeds. We’ve got to give him a chance.” Why? They didn’t give Bush a chance in 2000. Before he was inaugurated the search-and-destroy mission had begun. I’m not talking about search-and-destroy, but I’ve been listening to Barack Obama for a year-and-a-half. I know what his politics are. I know what his plans are, as he has stated them. I don’t want them to succeed.

    If I wanted Obama to succeed, I’d be happy the Republicans have laid down. And I would be encouraging Republicans to lay down and support him. Look, what he’s talking about is the absorption of as much of the private sector by the US government as possible, from the banking business, to the mortgage industry, to the automobile business, to health care. I do not want the government in charge of all of these things. I don’t want this to work. So I’m thinking of replying to the guy, “Okay, I’ll send you a response, but I don’t need 400 words, I need four: I hope he fails.” (interruption) What are you laughing at? See, here’s the point. Everybody thinks it’s outrageous to say. Look, even my staff, “Oh, you can’t do that.” Why not? Why is it any different, what’s new, what is unfair about my saying I hope liberalism fails? Liberalism is our problem. Liberalism is what’s gotten us dangerously close to the precipice here. Why do I want more of it? I don’t care what the Drive-By story is. I would be honored if the Drive-By Media headlined me all day long: “Limbaugh: I Hope Obama Fails.” Somebody’s gotta say it! “

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