The Tea Party Socialist-Free Purity Pledge

I stumbled upon the following in a comment on another blog and I could not resist posting it here. It captures some of the insanity of the Tea Party movement. I have made one minor edit from the original to delete a term now offensive to most Tea Party members. Otherwise, the “pledge” is as I found it. (I don’t know who wrote it originally so whoever you are, thanks for giving me a chuckle.)

The Tea Party Socialist-Free Purity Pledge

I , ________________________________, do solemnly swear to uphold the principles of a socialism-free society and heretofore pledge my word that I shall strictly adhere to the following:

I will complain about the destruction of 1st Amendment Rights in this country, while I am duly being allowed to exercise my 1st Amendment Rights.

I will complain about the destruction of my 2nd Amendment Rights in this country, while I am duly being allowed to exercise my 2nd Amendment rights by legally but brazenly brandishing unconcealed firearms in public.

I will foreswear the time-honored principles of fairness, decency, and respect by screaming unintelligible platitudes regarding tyranny, Nazi-ism, and socialism at public town halls.

Also. I pledge to eliminate all government intervention in my life. I will abstain from the use of and participation in any socialist goods and services including but not limited to the following:

Social Security Medicare/Medicaid State Children’s Health Insurance Programs (SCHIP) Police, Fire, and Emergency Services US Postal Service Roads and Highways Air Travel (regulated by the socialist FAA) The US Railway System Public Subways and Metro Systems Public Bus and Lightrail Systems Rest Areas on Highways Sidewalks All Government-Funded Local/State Projects (e.g., see Iowa 2009 federal senate appropriations- – http://grassley.senate.gov/issues/upload/Master-Approps-73109.pdf ) Public Water and Sewer Services (goodbye socialist toilet, shower, dishwasher, kitchen sink, outdoor hose!) Public and State Universities and Colleges Public Primary and Secondary Schools Sesame Street Publicly Funded Anti-Drug Use Education for Children Public Museums Libraries Public Parks and Beaches State and National Parks Public Zoos Unemployment Insurance Municipal Garbage and Recycling Services Treatment at Any Hospital or Clinic That Ever Received Funding From Local, State or Federal Government (pretty much all of them) Medical Services and Medications That Were Created or Derived From Any Government Grant or Research Funding (again, pretty much all of them) Socialist Byproducts of Government Investment Such as Duct Tape and Velcro (Nazi-NASA Inventions) Use of the Internets, email, and networked computers, as the DoD’s ARPANET was the basis for subsequent computer networking Foodstuffs, Meats, Produce and Crops That Were Grown With, Fed With, Raised With or That Contain Inputs From Crops Grown With Government Subsidies Clothing Made from Crops (e.g. cotton) That Were Grown With or That Contain Inputs From Government Subsidies

If a veteran of the government-run socialist US military, I will forego my VA benefits and insist on paying for my own medical care I will not tour socialist government buildings like the Capitol in Washington, D.C.

I pledge to never take myself, my family, or my children on a tour of the following types of socialist locations, including but not limited to: Smithsonian Museums such as the Air and Space Museum or Museum of American History The socialist Washington, Lincoln, and Jefferson Monuments The government-operated Statue of Liberty The Grand Canyon The socialist World War II and Vietnam Veterans Memorials The government-run socialist-propaganda location known as Arlington National Cemetery All other public-funded socialist sites, whether it be in my state or in Washington, DC

I will urge my Member of Congress and Senators to forego their government salary and government-provided healthcare. I will oppose and condemn the government-funded and therefore socialist military of the United States of America. I will boycott the products of socialist defense contractors such as GE, Lockheed-Martin, Boeing, Northrop Grumman, General Dynamics, Raytheon, Humana, FedEx, General Motors, Honeywell, and hundreds of others that are paid by our socialist government to produce goods for our socialist army. I will protest socialist security departments such as the Pentagon, FBI, CIA, Department of Homeland Security, TSA, Department of Justice and their socialist employees.

Upon reaching eligible retirement age, I will tear up my socialist Social Security checks. Upon reaching age 65, I will forego Medicare and pay for my own private health insurance until I die.

SWORN ON A BIBLE AND SIGNED THIS DAY OF ____________ IN THE YEAR______________. ___________________________ ___________________________

Signed Printed Name/Town and State

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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115 thoughts on “The Tea Party Socialist-Free Purity Pledge

  1. It’s amazing that our people have survived so long with freedom! It’s so much better now with regulations from each town, county, state, and finally the top brains from Washington DC telling us what to do. I feel so much more secure, confident, and happy that we will soon be in a worker’s paradise just like Uncle Joe Stalin created.

  2. Rutherford Rutherford. I could go on and on about how weak this post is. How dishonest it is at it’s heart albeit with streaks of good humor. I could go on and on but methinks instead I’ll just go.

  3. I feel so much more secure, confident, and happy that we will soon be in a worker’s paradise just like Uncle Joe Stalin created.

    Welcome Hobo. I am a big fan of sarcasm. Glad you stopped by. 😉

  4. To the rest of you, awwww c’mon. Get a bit of a funny bone for goodness sake. If you weren’t all so busy masquerading as Thomas Paine you’d admit that to the casual observer the Tea Party movement seems full of contradictions. Damn funny ones at that.

  5. To the rest of you, awwww c’mon. Get a bit of a funny bone for goodness sake. If you weren’t all so busy masquerading as Thomas Paine you’d admit that to the casual observer the Tea Party movement seems full of contradictions. Damn funny ones at that.

    Really? Because I find that its one thing to be against the Federal government usurping powers it was clearly not meant to have, and quite another to have states, deciding in lawful fashion whether or not they will perform functions for the benefit of their citizens. You see, to a big-government leftie, the Tenth Amendment is a quaint notion and little else, because there is no stretch too far to exclude a power they want to exercise from the limitations that have been placed upon government. While to the people you continue to laugh at, the ones who realize that a nicely appointed cage is still a cage, the federal government has already gone too far, and is now inflating like a weird characture of the blob…feasting on our tax dollars and freedoms until it will be the only thing remaining.

  6. the ones who realize that a nicely appointed cage is still a cage

    Very eloquent, and I do not mean this mockingly. However I would argue that, let’s be conservative, about 25% of the Tea Party protesters like the nice appointments of their cage very much and would throw a major sh*t-fit if the Fed pulled the rug out from under them.

    Is there such a thing as government over-reach? Of course there is. But that is the tricky balancing act that we all play in this society. How much security are we willing to sacrifice in return for self-governance and independence?

    Let me ask you a question. Do you think the civil war was a bad idea? Should the South, feeling burdened by the Fed, have simply been allowed to secede, unchallenged such that two countries would exist where there once was one?

  7. what a bunch of bland comments. and whilst DR complains about “more tea party drivel”. How about republicans always attacking Pelosi, Reid and Barney Frank in ever political attack. You think people aren’t sick of hear that? The Tea Party is full of a bunch of clowns that have managed to force their way into regular political dialogue and as long as they want to be around, they shall be laughed at and talked about.

  8. Hey Tea Party People, I’ll give you something to be really pissed about. I just got outbid at the very last minute on a game I was buying my daughter for her birthday on eBay. Now that’s worth getting pissed!!!! 😦

  9. Well, I originally wanted Battling Tops (which is way before your time Sensico … currently out of print, hence my resorting to eBay). But I lost a bid on that a few days ago, so I was settling for Battling Spaceships (a 1977 version of Battling Tops meant to take advantage of the Star Wars craze). I thought I had that one in the bag tonight until some bastard came in at the very end of the auction and outbid me. I should have been at my PC monitoring the situation and I might have beaten him. Damn!

    So now I have a bid in on another Battling Tops game but I’m not hopeful on that one. (Plus, it’s the worst quality of the three I’ve bid on so far).

  10. I used to play Battling Tops for like an hour then I’d get bored 😛 I’m sure amazon.com has them for cheap.

    Thanks for adding me to the blogroll, no guarantee that I’ll add you to mines tho 😛 but you get enough traffic from my blog without the add lol

  11. How about republicans always attacking Pelosi, Reid and Barney Frank in ever political attack. You think people aren’t sick of hear[ing] that?

    I’m not sick of hearing it. And again, you miss the focus.

    Tea Parties are a reaction against “our betters” like Fwanks, Reid and Pelosi, who are the problem, not the solution, and keep telling us how invaluable they are.

    Bwarney and his boyfriend make a small fortune from the cash funnels erected at Fanny Mac and Freddie Mae, while resisting any attempts to tighten reforms or bolster regulations…and now he’s on the case, and prevent it from happening again. Only the government quietly removed the limitations on government backing for both last month.

    Harry Reid can insult opponents by calling them racists on the floor of the Senate, but then whines and engages in gross hyperbole when the very people he insults say mean things about him.

    San Fran Nan was going to give us the most ethical congress EVAH! And yet Charlie “Oh, That Asset!” Wrangle still has a seat, and any ethics investigations into his interesting accounting practices are quickly and quietly shut down. She jets around like a queen, with military escorts, and meets sua sponte with foreign leaders hostile to our nation, like that paragon of Presidential statesmanship Assad.

    And when the simple rubes of this country become disgusted with the divine leadership of this inspired expertocracy, these humble, and talented civic leaders respond with a newspaper editorial decidedly insulting and derisive of “We the people”.

    The problem isn’t that republicans are criticising them. Its that more people aren’t criticising them and showing them the door.

  12. However I would argue that, let’s be conservative, about 25% of the Tea Party protesters like the nice appointments of their cage very much and would throw a major sh*t-fit if the Fed pulled the rug out from under them.

    If you’re going to pull a percentage out of your ass, at least wipe it off before you wave it around. That stuff stains.
    The fact is that I have no such knowledge. Do I expect that all of them have the same idea where the line of demarcation between too much and not enough is? Of course not. Nor, in the case of generational entitlements such as Social Security or Medicare, do I believe that the demographic group that has planned with the expectation of these entitlements and is now too close to retirement to switch course to have to do so. However, those in your age group, or mine…there is still time to plan accordingly, and seeing as how there was never any true Constitutional justification for either, we should not have it. It should die with the generation about to come into it.

    Is there such a thing as government over-reach? Of course there is. But that is the tricky balancing act that we all play in this society.

    No. The balancing act we play in society is how many entitlements can we give away to the perpetual victim class (at the expense of others) until the house of cards collapses?
    How many votes can we trade in exchange for the taxpayer’s largesse?
    Let me ask you a serious question. Has there been a major deviation in the percentage of society living in poverty from the start of the Great Society’s War on Poverty to the present? No. There has not. The only real change is that government intervention and wealth distribution has impacted who cycles in and out of that dubious demographic, rather than people themselves making that determination.

    How much security are we willing to sacrifice in return for self-governance and independence?

    It really isn’t the federal government’s job to give everybody a bottle and blankie before nighty night. And it sure as Hell isn’t its job to act as regulator and participant both, while deciding who will win and who will lose in the economy.

    Let me ask you a question. Do you think the civil war was a bad idea? Should the South, feeling burdened by the Fed, have simply been allowed to secede, unchallenged such that two countries would exist where there once was one?

    “feeling burdened by the Fed” That is a choice oversimplication. The various tariffs and the battle over nullification was a bit more than feeling burdened by the Fed. The fact is that states are also sovereign, and the ridiculous extremes to which Congress has riden the commerce clause and the passage of federal legislation in order to obtain jurisdiction and then invoke the supremacy clause is offensive to the notion of that sovereignty, which was specifically reserved in the Bill of Rights. And yes, it is a terrible thing to come to the realization that maybe the wrong side did win that terrible conflict, because in so doing, we all lost.

  13. Upon reaching eligible retirement age, I will tear up my socialist Social Security checks. Upon reaching age 65, I will forego Medicare and pay for my own private health insurance until I die.

    First, feel free to use the word teabagger. What dumbshits like Sensico fail to understand is who it’s insinuated doing the teabagging. I’ll give you a hint: he’s black, overrated, a bigot, not terribly bright,a liar, a Marxist, has big ears, an ugly wife, and the first letter of his last name could be taken as Zero.

    Now I will sign up, but we need to be fair. I want to be reimbursed for every dime plus interest that I have paid into social security, medicare, medicaid, etc…in a past life. And note, that I maxed the limit the last several years, so I believe that will about cover it. In addition, the house I own will really be owned. No property taxes whatsoever, except the allocation to roads and bridges.

    In addition, I want to be released from any further obligation I have to any federal employee’s pension, retirement, and insurance. I will exclude the military charges, so somebody give me the figure that I owe each year. It should amount to about 4-5% of what my wife and I pay.

    I also expect the amount my previous employers have paid to be reimbursed with interest to them over a 20+ year period.

    Sounds like we got a deal Rutherford – pass that on to the dips that wrote it. And here’s a little bet – I’ll have millions joining me in signing, if you’ll simply grant our request.

  14. The posts around here are getting as specious as the big lie that ZerObama would recapture America’s good reputation. Anyone remember that bullshiite? What is really happening is the world is laughing behind ZerObama’s back and spitting in his face, all the while smiling and writing nice words about his “genius.”

    See how much ZerObama is admired? 😆

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100104/D9D16MS80.html

    Serves the arrogant asshole right to have his swelled head slapped. Now, let’s work on busting some lib’s chops. 😉

  15. (I haven’t read comments yet , sorry if I’m retreading here.)

    Cute, but more than a little weak. The problem is that there are legitimate Constitutional roles of the government. It’s one thing to point out the absurdity of a sign reading “Keep the Government away from my Medicare!” but it’s quite another to try to argue that the existence of a police force is Socialism, and that that is therefore a contradiction.

    There is the beginning of an argument when it talks about the military, but this thing goes in completely the wrong direction. Where you want to take that is the direction Pres. Eisenhower went with the military-industrial complex. The existence of a military is not Socialism.

    Frankly, I think that the writer of this pledge is at least as ignorant of the real arguments as the worst of the tea-partiers.

    If they’d stuck with water service, schools, and that sort of thing it wouldn’t be nearly as ridiculous.

  16. “… The tea party movement is a large, fractious confederation of Americans who are defined by what they are against. They are against the concentrated power of the educated class. They believe big government, big business, big media and the affluent professionals are merging to form self-serving oligarchy — with bloated government, unsustainable deficits, high taxes and intrusive regulation.

    The tea party movement is mostly famous for its flamboyant fringe. But it is now more popular than either major party. According to the NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, 41 percent of Americans have a positive view of the tea party movement. Only 35 percent of Americans have a positive view of the Democrats and only 28 percent have a positive view of the Republican Party.

    The movement is especially popular among independents. The Rasmussen organization asked independent voters whom they would support in a generic election between a Democrat, a Republican and a tea party candidate. The tea party candidate won, with 33 percent of independents. Undecided came in second with 30 percent. The Democrats came in third with 25 percent and the Republicans fourth with 12 percent…”—David Brooks (Not a real Conservative)
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/05/opinion/05brooks.html

  17. There are more hobo moms and dads today! We congratulate all of our senators and congress folk on their lack of regulation on derivatives (like carbon credfits being pushed right now) and the robbery in banking industry. Barney Frank pushed banks to lend without income verification, and then wants tougher rules to avoid it, but still wants more lending to poor and illlegal immigrants. Nazi hunter Granny Pelosi at least fought the Botox tax in the new health bill for her personal self interest.

  18. The off-year elections in New Jersey and Virginia were indeed a warning sign to Mr. Obama. While the presidents ratings aren’t likely to dip much further by year’s end—given the size and support of his base—by focusing exclusively on his base he could create lasting political problems that plague the remainder of his term.

    Unless Mr. Obama changes his approach and starts governing in a more fiscally conservative, bipartisan manner, the independents that provided his margin of victory in 2008 and gave the Democrats control of Congress will likely swing back to the Republicans, putting Democratic control of Congress in real jeopardy.” – Scott Rasmussen, Nov ‘09
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704402404574525543109875438.html

    So let us fast forward to today…

    Currently, 35.5% of American adults view themselves as Democrats. That’s down from 36.0 a month ago and from 37.8% in October. Prior to December, the lowest total ever recorded for Democrats was 35.9%, a figure that was reached twice in 2005.” — Rasmussen Reports, Jan ‘10
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/partisan_trends

  19. Nazi hunter Granny Pelosi at least fought the Botox tax in the new health bill for her personal self interest.

    LOL Hobo, you will definitely make friends here since 99% of those who comment here are conservative.

    For what it’s worth I’m damn close to being a hobo dad, but I don’t share your political persuasion. 🙂

  20. Now Gorilla, think about this for a minute:

    The tea party movement is a large, fractious confederation of Americans who are defined by what they are against.

    and then David says:

    The tea party movement is mostly famous for its flamboyant fringe. But it is now more popular than either major party.

    In fact, Rasmussen (ugh, see earlier comment) has Tea Party beating Reps and Dems among independents.

    What this tells me is that the dumbing down of America is near its nadir. The notion that more Americans support a movement that has no positive agenda … just a lot of complaints … is truly disturbing. It signals that a growing number of Americans have the intellect of a 3 year old, who can say what he doesn’t like but can’t come up with solutions.

    Scary.

  21. Dick Morris is one odd bird. Real buddy of Clinton back in the day and from what I can see, a real turncoat. Don’t know what to make of him except maybe a dude ruled by the wallet vs any real political conviction.

  22. If they’d stuck with water service, schools, and that sort of thing it wouldn’t be nearly as ridiculous.

    Well Wickle I think part of his goal was to be ridiculous. If one wants to give the “pledge” more intellectual scrutiny than it deserves, one could argue that the Federal government’s fingers are in many of the things we take for granted and that true believers in self-governance would demand responsibility for virtually everything.

    I think the bottom line here is that there is something almost unseemly about residents of the cushiest country on the planet complaining about loss of freedoms.

  23. And yes, it is a terrible thing to come to the realization that maybe the wrong side did win that terrible conflict, because in so doing, we all lost.

    Now that’s a fascinating conclusion. There were three possible outcomes:

    1. The North “won” and the union came back together without slavery.
    2. The South “won”, admitted the North back into the new union and they perpetuated their slave-based economy.
    3. There was no war in the first place and everyone was satisfied with two countries instead of one (which would have resulted much the same as option 2 without all the bloodshed).

    Do I understand you to say you would have preferred option 3 and furthermore would have preferred living in the Confederate States of America based on the North’s over-reaching government?

  24. One thing Rutherford will not admit to, no matter Rasmussen’s political leanings which are completely irrelevant to subject at hand, is that Rasmussen is the most accurate pollster in the business.

    What Rutherford and his hero the egregious slime machine Keith Ogremann won’t admit to is that the Democratic party agenda is falling apart quickly and has been exposed as a sham in less than a year. The only people supporting the party now are those receiving kickbacks, stooge money, and outright public funding theft.

    There’s a butt kicking coming in November…:wink:

  25. She jets around like a queen, with military escorts

    BiW, isn’t Nancy third in line to the Presidency? Seems to me that warrants some protection when she travels.

  26. Now the question is, will the traffic from your blogroll be any fun?

    LOL BiW it’s all I can do to get any traffic here in the first place. Don’t expect any runoff. 🙂

  27. The only people supporting the party now are those receiving kickbacks, stooge money, and outright public funding theft.

    Dag, sure wish I was seeing some of that money. 😉

  28. @Rutherford, comment 29 —

    I agree about Morris. I think that he turned on the Clintons because they wouldn’t back him up when he got into his little toe-sucking scandal.

    I think very much the same thing of Scott McClellan (sp?), George W. Bush’s lifelong friend who then sold his tell-all book. He saw that there was nowhere else to go as a Bush loyalist, so he decided to make money as a turncoat.

    A great many people involved in politics at that level are little better than whores … those two are like Las Vegas street-walkers who don’t even try to hide what they are.

  29. Do I understand you to say you would have preferred option 3 and furthermore would have preferred living in the Confederate States of America based on the North’s over-reaching government?

    None of the above. The aftermath of the civil war was a federal government that was much stronger than that envisioned. Add to the rise of the nanny state in the early twentieth century, and the fostering of the attitutde that says “There ougtta be a law…” every time someone is met with a frustration, and then it isn’t really too many more steps to find a government that confuses every entitlement with a right, and finds a compelling reason to justify every new entitlement. Welfare isn’t up to the feds. It never has been. Everything not enumerated to the feds is left to the states. There endth the discussion. Abortion? Not up to the feds…at least not before Roe, and then if they want to make it a fed matter, then the 14th Amendment isn’t something to be glossed over with a stretch of the mystical penumbra of the fifth. Medicare? No. Social Security? No. Taxing carbon emissions to save the planet even when the Indians and Chinese have no intention to follow suit? No. Affording foreign nationals Constitutional rights and trials in Article III courts? No. And Actually with Obama’s executive order giving INTERPOL carte blanche to opporate on US soil, the irony is that citizens could now be deprived of rights being afforded to foreign nationals. How does that make sense?

  30. The only people supporting the party now are those receiving kickbacks, stooge money, and outright public funding theft.

    Dag, sure wish I was seeing some of that money.

    Yeah. Like the various hangers-on cashing in, you’ll say the words, but just like us poor schelps who know better, instead of the green, you’re getting the bill along with the rest of us. 😉

  31. Dag, sure wish I was seeing some of that money.

    Rutherford, you’re already well on your way there. See Category #3, as you support the cause.

    —————————————

    With apologies to my pal Rabbit, but it necessary to provide a living, breathing example of Herr Obama and his comrade’s mission for America…

    A well documented case of how well ZerObama’s policies have worked for one city, let us now turn our attention to Detroit. There is no better example of state dependent, liberal endowed, government funded, powerful union petri dish city. Think of it as the Calcutta of the midwest, with Zero’s own neighborhood of South Chicago not too far behind.

    Well worth the time if you got 13 minutes – and you should show this to your friends of what is to follow utilizing Oh Great King Obama’s plans. This is what our Hawwvard educated blogger would have us believe is best for America!

  32. Dick Morris is an enigma, isn’t he? First, a Clinton toadie, now a Clintonista hater. I think it has to do with Hillary Rotten myself – they must have crossed wires at the end of the Clinton debacle.

    The man Morris absolutely despises that shrew. Of course, in all fairness to Shrillary, Morris’ own personal escapades leave much to be deserved too.

  33. Dumbing down or the wool is being removed?

    We’re about to see healthcare takeover, move- again- behind closed doors in an extraordinarily deceitful manner, and you expect the American people to be pleased with this?

    Here’s the interesting bit, and something you had better start paying attention too, while the shift away from folks identifying with either Dems or the GOP is growing, the GOP is significantly beating the Dems in generic Congressional polls. Just because folks aren’t calling themselves Republicans doesn’t mean they won’t vote Republican.

    Secondly, this is what I’ve noticed. Folks aren’t calling themselves Republicans, they’re calling themselves Conservatives. I’ve told you this before, we Conservatives vote GOP not because we love the GOP but because it has tended to be the lesser of two evils.

    Where you, as a liberal, is fucked is that the GOP can and is moving towards the popular sentiments of the Tea party movement, which is the antithesis of you liberals. So, while folks abandon the party monikers and the popular support for limited government continues to become more and more vocal, the lesser of the two evils looks more and more like the GOP.

    I keep saying this and you keep blowing me off. That’s OK, I like you in denial. Your collective head up your asses is rather fitting, and come November 2010, up each other’s asses may be the only place you’re safe from the wrath of the American people…

  34. Gorilla,

    I think it is true that many who typically vote GOP don’t really consider ourselves aligned with the Republican party. I’m not sure Rutherford has ever understood this about me personally. Frankly, some Republicans sicken me more than most libs do. Since 1984, my Presidential vote has been for the lesser of two evils.

    While I like the Bush family and admire their work outside the scope of government, I was not terribly crazy about their ideas of running government. I am far more Libertarian fiscally than either Bush Sr. or Jr.

    But considering Carter, Clinton and Obama, not only do I disdain their idea of what represents a Republic, but I don’t like them personally and find all of them greasy and Clinton and Obama corrupt.

    I find it hard to believe that somebody like Rutherford, who I disagree with concerning politic on virtually every subject but still find most of the time decent, can’t be bothered by what is going on behind closed doors concerning health care. What Obama and the rest of Democratic party are doing behind the curtain is despicable and Obama has blatantly lied to the American public about his transparent administration.

    I will be disappointed if at some time Rutherford doesn’t admit that this health care change is so rotten to the core that Rutherford too doesn’t dismiss these evil bastards (and a few bitches) and demand they be removed and replaced with somebody less ingrained and far more competent.

  35. Don’t hold your breath…

    R, for your reading pleasure on Iraq and the future…

    Did Saddam Hussein’s fall and the formation of a fledging democracy in Iraq encourage and embolden regime-threatening dissent in Iran?

    The anti-Iraq War crowd, many of whom suffer from Give-George-W.-Bush-No Credit-for-Anything Disease, says, “No, of course not.” How dare anyone even suggest the former president was correct, if not about the rightfulness of the war itself, then about his argument that a “free and peaceful” Iraq would provide a “dramatic and inspiring example” to the Middle East and the Muslim world. Good Lord!

    The Iraq War-achieved-zero crowd begrudged Bush nothing even after the democratic Cedar Revolution in Lebanon. Never mind that Walid Jumblatt, a Lebanese Druze Muslim leader, said: “It’s strange for me to say it, but this process of change has started because of the American invasion of Iraq. I was cynical about Iraq. But when I saw the Iraqi people voting (in 2005), 8 million of them, it was the start of a new Arab world.

    http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=517108

  36. Ah, just in time to answer the scolding we FOX watchers got from Rutherford about the so-called FOX dishonesty and MSNBC absolute truth (cough, cough). Somehow I missed this last August. Seems MSNBC has been doing a little editing of videos to obscure facts and make false charges of “racism.” Did somebody use the “N” word too? Surprise, surprise…

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/19/unreal-msnbc-edits-clip-of-man-with-gun-at-obama-rally-to-support-racism-narrative/

    By the way Rutherford, in reference to Chrissie’s contention that all Tea Party members are white, I’ll bet not as white as the audience that watches Chrissie Matthews each evening. Do dumbasses on the left no what incrimination means? 😛

    Perhaps this explains why Chrissie Tingle has about a ten of the audience as say Bill O’Reilly.

  37. So R, with Dorgan and Dodd bailing, how you feeling now? Not to tout too much on this, but I recently posted on this at my blog, and I’ve been talking about how the Dems and liberals are in trouble for some time now- to include this tread, among other threads on this forum.

    You never say much about this, I wonder why…

  38. It’s easy to understand, Tex. San Fran Nan knows that we peons would simply “misconstrue” some of the bribes and graft “finer nuances” of crafting this fine legislation for the American People, and especially the Chillllllllllldren, so she simply acted in her capacity to keep the whole sordid affair very ethical process under wraps low-key to avoid any misunderstandings that those insane tea partiers might have about this unprecedented process.

  39. It’s strange for me to say it, but this process of change has started because of the American invasion of Iraq.

    Mmmmm, not quite sure where to go with this one. Unintended good consequences from a poorly conceived war that bankrupted our country and allowed Afghanistan to deteriorate …. and now that we finally get to Afghanistan, the problem has moved to Pakistan and Yemen.

    The cause-effect connection of Iraq’s “liberation” and Iran’s current unrest is far from conclusive but fine. Let’s give Bush a kudo that history may prove that he started the transformation of the region. If history does prove that down the road, I’ll applaud W. Heck, even our most disgraced President, Richard Nixon turned out to be a great statesman viewed through history’s lens.

  40. Yeah Tex, the “MSNBC edit” is old news and I’m 99% sure one of you guys smacked me upside the head with it at the time.

    I don’t really care if you’re white or black, why do you need to bring a gun to a supposedly peaceful protest?

  41. Gorilla etal, I’m not overly sad to see Dodd go. He’s attracted negative attention to the Dem party and was a part of the financial debacle of 2008.

    As I said over at Sensico’s blog, this is a nice opportunity for CT to clean house. Hopefully we can get rid of that wart-on-the-ass Lieberman in 2012 too. 🙂

    I like my liberals clean and mean. 👿

  42. Tex, you’re not gonna like this answer but no campaign promise is a lie …. or put differently every campaign promise is a potential lie. If we measured every President against every word he said on the campaign trail, we’d find huge discrepancies across the board. Governing is not the same as campaigning and anyone who doesn’t know that believes in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.

    With that said, at least a portion of the House/Senate bloviating has been broadcast on CSPAN.

  43. Regarding BiW’s comment …. LOL the fact that we know about all this deal-making is evidence of transparency. I can’t think of any other time in history that we have had this up-close a view of the sausage being made. Fact is, it’s like this all the time, we’re just seeing it on the front page for a change.

  44. I wonder why Crowder doesn’t discuss corporate greed. Yup, it’s all the union’s fault. No possibility that GM was mismanaged. I’d love to see Crowder and Michael Moore in a debate.

  45. from a poorly conceived war that bankrupted our country

    Wha? The war bankrupted our country? Really? You’re going to go there? No discussion of the costs of the bailouts of Fannie and Freddie, brought to you by Dems and their freinds who were cashing in on the lax rules and questionable practices? Guys like Bwaney Fwanks and Chris “waitress sandwich” Dodd? Franlin Raines? Jamie Gorelick? No discussion of the deficit Obama inheritedran for office with full knowledge ot that balloned to epic proportion after he got legislation he demanded???

    I suggest you back away from this contention, R. It’s packed with economy sized FAIL! for you.

  46. With that said, at least a portion of the House/Senate bloviating has been broadcast on CSPAN.

    LOL the fact that we know about all this deal-making is evidence of transparency.

    No. We just know about the deal making that they couldn’t keep quiet. The repubs aren’t in the room, the cameras aren’t in the room, and Stretch has no intention of having what goes on the room be public. CSPAN isn’t showing the deal making, its showing the soapbox.

  47. I wonder why Crowder doesn’t discuss corporate greed. Yup, it’s all the union’s fault. No possibility that GM was mismanaged. I’d love to see Crowder and Michael Moore in a debate.

    Beautiful. You are shown, clearly, what the Dhims have in store for us all, and instead choose to zero in on one part that you obviously know next to nothing about.

    I lived in Flint for 26 years, R. Flint. The Home of the UAW. I grew up watching that union go on strike every couple of years and always demand MORE, regardless of the economy. Contract after contract. Hell, Congress only wishes it could have the health benefits that your average UAW member has. I could tell you stories that would make even you blush with rage at some of the things perpetrated by union members that added significant costs to the finished product that have buggerall to do with producing the finshed product, or even making sure workers are “treated fairly”.
    Yes, GM did have stupid managment, and yes, it contributed to the downfall of the corporation, but not in the same way that the union did, as it dug in like a starving tick and sucked the last drop of blood from a decrepit corpse.

    And Crowder against Mickey Moron? My money is on Crowder. Again, I grew up there. I know the truth behind what Mickey portrayed in “Roger and Me”, and I’ll tell him where he can hit to do the most damage if he wants.

  48. I’m not sure who is being more disingenuous, Rutherford or PharoBama.

    Tex, you’re not gonna like this answer but no campaign promise is a lie …. or put differently every campaign promise is a potential lie.

    There is a big divide between making campaign promises which you attempt to keep (Bush addressing the Social Security insolvency comes to mind), vis-a-vis making no attempt and in fact doing just the opposite which you promised and have absolute control. And Obama has absolute control over making this gigantic issue transparent. PharObama could broadcast this on C-SPAN just like he promised in eight different venues while on the campaign trail (now documented for your viewing) and he needs no permission to do so.

    That Rutherford is an outright lie and proves to me once again that Obama is not only incredibly dishonest (I never heard any of Rev. Wright’s egregious remarks in 20 years), but the most pretentious and hypocritical man that has ever held the Presidency.

    Obama is a scumbag and liar, as is most of his cabinet Rutherford, and you denying as much changes nothing. He has all of Bill Clinton’s bad qualities and only one of his good ones – Obama apparently has a large degree of charisma for very weak-minded people.

    He ought to create his own talk show like Oprah. May I suggest his byline be “Come On Down, If The Price is Right!” 😈

  49. “Tex, you’re not gonna like this answer but no campaign promise is a lie …. or put differently every campaign promise is a potential lie.”-Rutherford

    That comment makes me sick.

    I would go as far as to say “transparency” anchored his entire campaign. Campaign promise my ass, it was the fucking campaign. And every person in this country knows it.

    I would rather my kid grow up to be a flaming liberal leftist then a sycophant.

    You, sir, are a sycophant.

  50. “Tex, you’re not gonna like this answer but no campaign promise is a lie …. or put differently every campaign promise is a potential lie.”– R

    I don’t know about Tex, but I sure as hell don’t like that answer. So you are telling us all that we should have no expectations on a candidate, especially when he tells us that he is going to do something. He didn’t say that he’d try to have C-SPAN in there, he said he would have C-SPAN in there. He didn’t say he’d try to be transparent, he told us he would have the most transparent administration in history. You know, no lobbists allowed and all that rubbish.

    You’re not just wrong, you’re either hopelessly brainwashed or you’re intentionally being intellectually dishonest. Based on what you just said, we would have to assume that you are implying that words don’t matter, it is what you do, not what you say. And since this was in the campaign, we’d have to go off of the candidates record. Based on this, what you’ve just told us is that the mighty O is both a liar and is grossly unqualified for the job, since he has no resume to justify the position, which coincidentally, happens to be exactly what we’ve been saying since the beginning.

    Thanks for the affirmation…

  51. I’m going to have to agree with Tex on this one.

    Sen. Obama spent a lot of time promising to be different from Pres. Bush, and one of the big things he harped on was transparency.

    To spin it otherwise is, frankly, tough to accept.

    This isn’t just a campaign promise. Tex is right that this was very much an anchor … and it’s being broken ruthlessly.

    Even the CEO of C-Span is complaining about it. Come to think of it, can you imagine being the CEO of C-Span? It sounds big, powerful, and important … but it’s still C-Span. (I say that even though C-Span is about the only thing I miss about not having cable.)

  52. I dunno. After interning in the Canadian House of Commons, I understand that many of the speeches given on the floor are given for the benefit of the cameras, and often, there may not be anyone else there other than the next person to speak, and the speaker or speaker pro tem.

    And what really irritates me is that they might not finish, but their entire speech goes into the record. How is that honest?

  53. Well, it’s looks like President Chump’s secret little deal this whole time was to fuck the Rabbit via taxing my health care plan. Conservatives here may grin over this but damn man, this hurts.

  54. there may not be anyone else there other than the next person to speak

    As I’m sure you know, BiW this is more the rule than the exception in Congress nowadays. In fact, from what I have read, most Congressmen (I mean that generally to include Senators) have their aids watch C-SPAN to see what their peers have said and then summarize it for them. Congress does not work the way it once did and many of our elected officials have openly mourned the devolution of camaraderie and exchange that once existed among legislators

  55. LOL…looks like Nancy Pelosi is my dog in this fight now!

    See? You never know when you might need her. 🙂

    As to the other folks who have called me out on the C-SPAN issue, what I am really saying is that when I heard Obama say this on the campaign trail, I sat there with wide-eyed boyish enthusiasm, never giving much thought to how he might actually achieve this.

    I don’t agree that all it takes is for Obama to snap his fingers and suddenly all the negotiations are on C-SPAN. For one thing, he needs a willing Congress and how many of you think most of our legislators would have signed up for complete transparency?

    I’ve got to tell you, and I really don’t mean this from a partisan perspective, it upsets me much more to hear “read my lips, no new taxes” and then see new taxes than it does to hear some pie in the sky idea about every second of health care debate being televised and that not materializing.

  56. A few graphs

    The graph from the National Review piece raises a good question. Gov’t jobs have overtaken product-producing jobs because WE DON’T MAKE ANYTHING ANYMORE!! And why is that? Because greedy mofo’s who run our corporations farm out labor to the cheapest sources possible overseas.

    Honestly, and I know this is impractical, I would love to see offshore outsourcing outlawed, period. You’ve got a product … then you have to hire Americans to make your friggin’ product.

  57. Question for BiW, since you feel that unions have run amok (and your example seems to support this), would you go so far as to say we can now trust “management” enough to do away with unions? And if not, then what measures can be taken to keep unions in check?

  58. Honestly, and I know this is impractical, I would love to see offshore outsourcing outlawed, period. You’ve got a product … then you have to hire Americans to make your friggin’ product.

    R, that would violate free trade laws…and who passed the biggest one of all? That’s right. NAFTA was signed into law by Billy Jeff.

  59. Why in the name of great honking Chuthulu does a citizen need to justify the exercise of a right?

    Very simply because what may be a “right” may also be in very poor taste. I don’t say the gun-toter should be put in the slammer (except on my raging leftist days) but I am saying the dude’s barometer is off on what is appropriate public “attire”. (We won’t even get into the wisdom of allowing citizens to carry fire arms in the vicinity of a Presidential visit … that’s a whole ‘nuther can of worms.)

  60. No discussion of the costs of the bailouts of Fannie and Freddie, brought to you by Dems and their freinds who were cashing in on the lax rules and questionable practices?

    Cry all you want about the Dems … the facts are devastating. Bill Clinton left Washington in January of 2001 with a government surplus and George W. Bush and the GOP took the surplus and flushed it down the toilet. And if you expect me to believe the Iraq war (which was fought off the books) didn’t contribute to our problems, then I’ll be waiting for that swamp land in Florida for you to sell me next.

    Every self respecting conservative that I know is utterly ashamed of the Bush/GOP record from 2001 – 2007 and they know full well that the last two years of Bush under a Dem congress was not totally to blame for our woes.

  61. That’s right. NAFTA was signed into law by Billy Jeff.

    George had 8 years to make a change. What happened? Maybe ‘cos the GOP is in the pocket of big business, there wasn’t much incentive to change things?

    I may be mistaken but I thought Obama was interested in renegotiating NAFTA.

  62. Question for BiW, since you feel that unions have run amok (and your example seems to support this), would you go so far as to say we can now trust “management” enough to do away with unions? And if not, then what measures can be taken to keep unions in check?

    R, the sad fact of unions is that they first do what is necessary to protect and preserve themselves, even when it hurts their membership. Then second, they represent members.

    “Run Amok” is putting it lightly.

    When the bad times started for the auto industry, around 1979-1980, and the ‘burb I grew up in lost 2/3s of its population overnight, people were desperate for jobs, and as luck would have it, small manufacturing companies started to move in to take advantage of the pool of skilled and experienced manufacturing labor. And then the unions moved in, and started to demand GM wages and benefits for manufacturing companies that were lucky to make a fraction of GM’s profits. These companies had no choice but to move elsewhere.

    My first job was at a supermarket. It was a small local chain. 3 stores in the greater Flint area. One of our competitors was a family chain with 10 locations in the area, and they were a union shop. You had to be in the union to work there. Grocery is not an industry that needs a union, and seniority destroys the positive effect of ambition and merit. They closed in the 3rd year I worked for the competitior.

    Do I think a union is necessary? No. This isn’t the 1930’s when Ford, and GM could simply use you, abuse you, and replace you when you got to be too much trouble. Wage and labor laws in the succeeding years have squarely addressed many of the issues that unions like the UAW were formed to address, and as a result, the UAW has had to get increasingly ridiculous with the passage of time to justify its own existance, while salaried employees increasingly made concessions just to keep their jobs…with less and less effect, leading to a drain in managment and engineering talent, which hampered the company moving forward. Line workers in other locations outside of Detroit, Flint, and even the state, even ones that were also unionized were generally more pragmatic and also made concessions, and came to hate the locals in Flint and Detroit, because pointless strikes sidelined them as well.

    My answer? Let the workers chose. Keep a secret ballot to keep union thugery to a minimum, and if employers can’t or won’t pay what unions demand, then they can leave. Workers need to bear the consequence of their own choices, and as a conservative, I can recognize who takes the risk to create the wealth, and who is risk averse, and should therefore be willing to work for what the risk takers will pay.

  63. Very simply because what may be a “right” may also be in very poor taste.

    I see. You don’t like it and therefore someone must justify it to you. This is a prime example of the lie of liberal “tolerance”. Inclusion and diversity as long as I don’t happen to believe in the parts of the Bill of Rights that you don’t like. Nope, if I want to express that belief by exercising that right, I have to justify it to you. That really is offensive enough that I would probably pour my drink on you if you were here.

    I don’t say the gun-toter should be put in the slammer (except on my raging leftist days)

    How very magnanimous of you.

    but I am saying the dude’s barometer is off on what is appropriate public “attire”.

    Who are you to judge that? Are you going to get your own show on TLC with Stacy and Clint and go around the country doing your own version of what not to wear? This isn’t about wearing white after labor day in violation of the country club dress code. We are talking about a right that no government has a right to abbrogate as it applies to law-abiding citizens, and if government doesn’t have a right to abbrogate it, then you sure as shooting do not have any right to pass judgment on it. If you don’t like, then say you don’t like it. At least that, I can respect. But if you are like so many lefties who are afraid of firearms and therefore presume to declare that no one should have them, then you’re going down the wrong road with this.

    (We won’t even get into the wisdom of allowing citizens to carry fire arms in the vicinity of a Presidential visit … that’s a whole ‘nuther can of worms.)

    Except you just did. 😉

  64. The “Read My Lips, No New Taxes” cost George Bush Sr. his job. Let us hope for the sake of the Union that “We Will Televise the Health Care Debate on C-SPAN!” (thunderous applause from thousands of rubes) will do the same for THE LIAR now residing in the Whitehouse.

    I would prefer impeachment and revoking King and Michelle’s citizenship with a one way flight to Kenya to follow, but a huge victory over the feckless one would suffice.

  65. Why are you all mad and care about transparency all of the sudden? Where was the dire need for transparency during the Bush years? Whatever the CEO of c-span is pissed about doesn’t matter because I’m pretty sure he’d be more pissed to find a drop in viewership.

    Though the idea of transparency and knowing what goes on behind closed doors sounds nice and innovative, the problem is that people act differently in front of cameras, I wouldn’t be surprised if many negotiations would falter under such circumstances. Also, it’d probably cause many things in congress to not get done.

    I would prefer impeachment and revoking King and Michelle’s citizenship with a one way flight to Kenya to follow, but a huge victory over the feckless one would suffice.

    so now you’re suggesting they aren’t US citizens? Can’t revoke citizenship of people already born in the U.S. I know, I know, Hawaii is a long way from you and sure, it looks foreign but I’m sorry to inform you that it is part of the U.S. And as much as you’d like to get rid of leftist Chicago, it too is part of the U.S

  66. Densico,

    so now you’re suggesting they aren’t US citizens? Can’t revoke citizenship of people already born in the U.S

    Good to see you’re still the rube. I didn’t say ZerObama wasn’t a citizen. I said, “I WISH HIS CITIZENSHIP WOULD BE REVOKED!”

    I’ve got a dog that is smarter than you…have you learned to fetch yet?

  67. LOL, dude you’re such an idiot. I knew what you meant which is why I put emphasis on the word “revoked”.

    Have you learned how not to be a far right loon yet?

  68. “Honestly, and I know this is impractical, I would love to see offshore outsourcing outlawed, period. You’ve got a product … then you have to hire Americans to make your friggin’ product.” — R

    So we could be held hostage by unions? Think about this, foreign cars are built here and they cost about $42/hr versus the domestic cars built here costing $74/hr. Is there any wonder why GM is still losing money?

  69. “Though the idea of transparency and knowing what goes on behind closed doors sounds nice and innovative, the problem is that people act differently in front of cameras, I wouldn’t be surprised if many negotiations would falter under such circumstances. Also, it’d probably cause many things in congress to not get done.” — Dipshit

    No fucking duh, which is why they should be in front of cameras. It is amazing what a little bit of accountability will do. Do you really think that Nelson or Landreu are the only ones who’ve been bought? Of course not, but they’re the few we KNOW about.

    Tell me though, when did Bush try to take over 1/6th of the US economy? Did Bush ever campaign, over and over again, about specifically putting healthcare reform on C-Span to expose dirty backroom deals? Like R, tell us, does what Obama says mean anything?

  70. Rutherford,

    What does Obama stand for? Give me something more concrete than government caring for its people, or other moral platitudes.

    You know what I think drives Obama? Confusion, and I believe it started at a young age.

    On one hand, his father and other black role models are bigots and hate whitey. I think Obama feels abandoned to a degree. This is where Obama draws his underlying current of racism – and yes, I do think there is a big tinge of racism with respect to Obama. You don’t sit in Wright’s church for 20 years just to increase your political clout. It’s more complicated than that.

    On the other hand, no doubt Grandma who raised him probably had a great deal of disdain for black men. One impregnated her hippie daughter, then left Obama to be raised by Grandma. She wasn’t a swell role model either, as there no doubt Obama, being half black, probably heard the only stable person in his life many times pop off in loaded terms about black America. This had to create a degree of question in his mind.

    No wonder Obama is such a compulsive liar and confused. I think what drives Obama deep down is to be loved by black America and prove to white America that blacks are equally, if not more gifted, than whites in all circles and not just the NBA.

  71. (We won’t even get into the wisdom of allowing citizens to carry fire arms in the vicinity of a Presidential visit … that’s a whole ‘nuther can of worms.)

    Except you just did. 😉

    Sly, ain’t I? 🙂

    Mmmm, you have lost me a bit in your argument. You have a right to carry a firearm to a Tea Party protest and I have a right to say I find it distasteful. Now, do I have a right to take your gun away from you if you have a permit to carry? No. But I sure as hell do have a right to tell you that I infer a very dangerous message from your carrying a gun to a protest rally.

    Since my disdain for this activity bothers you, clearly you must want/need my approval. You don’t have a right to my approval. 😉

  72. Tex, that is an interesting and only slightly preposterous analysis of Obama. At least it shows you’re thinking about him in human terms as opposed to blanket condemnation of him as “the other”, so typical of your conservative brethren.

    I take issue with the analysis of his father. From what I’ve read, Barack Sr. had no gripe with white folks. From what I understand he was very much the peacemaker and obviously wanted an American (i.e. white) education. But beyond that, Obama’s father really impacted him only by anecdote as they spent very little time together. Most of what Barack knew of his father was verbal history passed on primarily by his maternal grandparents.

    I do agree that his bi-racial background was cause for conflict and confusion. I heard a story of a man whose white teenage daughter was knocked up by a black man (not rape). He was upset about the pregnancy but doubly upset that the father was black. Yet he treated his bi-racial grandson (who looked black) like a prince. Now there is no doubt that kid is going to grow up confused when he finds out his granddad disliked his dad on racial grounds but accepted him.

    Bigtory is a weird-ass thing.You are dead on that it was hard for Barack to find his way in the world racially and it may still be a source of difficulty for him. Also remember that ANY first black President would have a terrible burden to bear, de facto carrying the entire race on his shoulders whether he wanted to or not.

  73. If I have to have a permit for my Constitutional right, shouldn’t you have to have a permit for your Constitutional right?

    LOL, you’re kidding right? My constitutional right to speak my mind will not directly get someone killed if I am a loony tune. Your constitutional right to carry a weapon can get someone killed if you are a loony tune. Hence the need for you to have a permit, and for me not to have one.

  74. And how many people have been killed by Mein Komf or Mao’s or Marx’s writings?

    How many people have been saved by the gun? Hate speach struggles because there is a plethora or people willing to use their freedoms to denounce it. Hate violence would face similar struggles if it was forced to endure similar circumstances…

  75. Regarding Geithner, the whole financial mess regarding credit-default-swaps goes over my head a bit. All I know is the dude didn’t pay his taxes and that made his appointment awfully odd. I’ve never condemned him nor defended him. I have repeated the party line that he was smartest man for the job. And let’s face it, worst case scenario, being a crook doesn’t mean you’re not the smartest man for the job. In fact, it might give you a huge advantage in solving the problem you contributed to in the first place.

    Weak defense but it’s the best I can muster.

  76. Tell me though, when did Bush try to take over 1/6th of the US economy?

    I’d be very interested to know what percent of the economy was spent on the Iraq war. Any idea? 😉

  77. And how many people have been killed by Mein Komf or Mao’s or Marx’s writings?

    A book never killed anyone. You conveniently ignored my very deliberate use of the phrase “directly get someone killed”.

    Every citizen having a gun only returns us to the wild west. Don’t you know enough stupid people to know that half of all gun owners in a “fully armed society” would shoot their own foot off or accidentally shoot their wife? Putting IQ aside, it’s the insanity issue that concerns me. I want people who own guns to get a background check so we know they haven’t been recently released from the loony bin.

    You were a soldier. Not everyone is fit to be a soldier.

  78. Rutherford,

    That may or may not be true about Obama’s biological father (more on that next). If so, then I will admit the error. However, that was not the teacher and mentor of Obama’s formative years as attested to by Obama. And this is according to Obama’s memoirs:

    Obama’s first lessons on race came from Frank Marshall Davis. As Obama even indicates in his book, Dreams from My Father, “Frank,” as the book refers to him, was his mentor and substitute father. This relationship, according to researchers, lasted from age 9 until Obama left for college Obama himself reported in his book that “Frank” told him that black people “have a reason to hate white people.”.

    FDM had no problem voicing his hate of whites, as that documented fact.

    Now, as for you defense of Obama’s peace loving father. There is nothing about peace in a man that would abandon a child. Actions speak much louder than words Rutherford. Peace speaks also of responsibility and love, and Obama’s biological father was obviously anything but responsible and loving towards his son.

    I’m not excusing Obama for his behavior or his beliefs. But I do find it interesting that most narcissistic men like Obama have a history of abandonment and mistreatment and I find that fascinating. Charles Manson comes to mind – though he is clearly a devil, there was a time that Charlie Manson was an innocent, small boy.

    I know now as a middle aged man, that many of my worst traits stem directly from my relationship with my father, some of which carry on to this day. It’s a repeating pattern as his father abandoned him for all practical purposes until the end of his life.

  79. Tex, whoooaa when I said “peacemaker” I was restricting myself to your claim that the senior Obama did not like white people. I never said he was a stand-up guy. I believe a man who abandons his kids is among the worst society has to offer.

  80. Rutherford,

    Fair enough – as long as we have it straight that Obama for his entire life has been exposed to horrendously poor male role models. And I believe this helps to explain Obama’s glaring weaknesses and his one strength – the ability to convey beautifully incredibly shallow thoughts.

    Because I truly believe much of America is shallow.

  81. My constitutional right to speak my mind will not directly get someone killed if I am a loony tune.

    I agree. I couldn’t, however, agree with this guy:

    “I have said this before but I will say it again. The time has come for the political rhetoric to be tamped down.”

    And this:

    ” I don’t know that Mr. Sparkman was killed by an anti-government nutjob. I do know that if the climate in this country were different, we wouldn’t all be wondering about the likelihood that Mr. Sparkman was indeed a human effigy for the US government.”

    But it doesn’t stop there:

    “Your constitutional right to carry a weapon can get someone killed if you are a loony tune. “

    And your Constituional right to carry can prevent you from being killed by a loony tune.

    Ask yourself this question, R. If I am a “looney tune”, do I care if I am required to have a permit to have a firearm? Of course not. Does the permit process guarantee or even examine my sanity? No. It does not. But what a permit process does do, is under the pretext of “safety”, make it harder for a law-abiding citizen to lawfully arm themself, while the looney tune, who doesn’t care about the law may now have less fear of me or others defending themselves and putting his own life in jeopardy when he decides to act like an asshat. And as always, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away. Permits don’t make you safer. They make the bad guys safer, because they know who will be easy pickings. In a jurisdiction that understands that, it isn’t so much of a problem. And the gentlemen and women in uniform that you look to as you sole protectors? They are having a difficult time with their own protection in this neck of the woods lately, as we just buried another on Tuesday, bringing us to 7 for the last 6 months.

    This really isn’t rocket science. Life carries risks. Your fear of those risks doesn’t give you the right or authority to prevent me from exercising my right to take responsibility for myself and my family and exercise my right to own a gun. You do not have the right to use your fear to make me less safe.

    Before you try to breathe life into your “looney tune” strawman by suggesting that the government has the authority or duty to “establish” a person’s sanity before allowing them to exercise their rights, the answer is an unequivcal “NO.”

    It is “NO.” because other governments have used their own evaluations of dissenters’ sanity to incarcerate them. And it is “NO” out of simple logic. If the government is not allowed to test and establish your intelligence before they let you exercise your right to vote, a right that can also be dangerous and have far-ranging consequences, including getting people killed, then it has no right to declare you “sane” before you may own or possess a firearm.

  82. Tell me though, when did Bush try to take over 1/6th of the US economy?

    I’d be very interested to know what percent of the economy was spent on the Iraq war. Any idea?

    *sets match to R’s strawman*
    Gee, no distinction here. Like maybe the fact that the government has always had control of our military and the responsibility to pay for what it does. Not true of “Health Insurance”. And government can pay for the military without changing the relationships people have with their doctors, or deciding what care you can receive. No, of course not. The two are exactly the same. In R’s world.

  83. BiW, as for your penultimate comment, well played Sir. One of the big liabilities of being a blogger is having a paper trail. 🙂 Logic still tells me the more folks that have guns the more folks that get shot with them but that’s fine. No one who respects our democracy would seriously suggest restricting the right of the responsible citizen to own a gun (I don’t believe Obama feels that way either). But Reagan’s Press Secretary Jim Brady’s wife has every reason to want to see at least some attempt at scrutiny on who owns guns.

    Laws exist to encourage those prone to following laws, to follow them. Laws really don’t exist to prevent criminal behavior since criminals are prone to buck the law anyway. In the case of criminals, laws serve as context for punishment after the fact. So a gun permit law encourages the gun dealer who is likely to be law abiding in the first place to exercise some control over who gets a gun and how quickly. You’re right, it does nothing to stop the black market gun dealer. Still without permit laws, law abiding gun dealers would be selling guns to every Tom, Dick and Dirty Harry who came through the door. That does scare me.

    As for your last comment, of course the military and a health care program are not identical. But you are talking about wasting money. And as you can guess, I consider the Iraq war a huge waste of money.

  84. BiW, as for your penultimate comment, well played Sir. One of the big liabilities of being a blogger is having a paper trail.

    R, I understand how that works. In my last post, I had to make a mea culpa because I accepted someone else’s analysis before I reviewed it myself.

    Still without permit laws, law abiding gun dealers would be selling guns to every Tom, Dick and Dirty Harry who came through the door. That does scare me.

    There’s nothing to be scared of. I am rational, and I assure you, if I am dealing with some who I know is armed, that will make me less likely to act like a knucklehead when dealing with them, not more likely to, and I venture to gues that is true for most people. And for that 1 in 1000 that you might encounter who is a looney tune, at least you have a higher chance of surviving the encounter than you would if your backup plan is to have the police show up with the paramedics and check your pulse while you bleed out on the street.

  85. “And let’s face it, worst case scenario, being a crook doesn’t mean you’re not the smartest man for the job. In fact, it might give you a huge advantage in solving the problem you contributed to in the first place.”– R

    Are you serious with this? Suddenly being dishonest or incompetent- you pick- is an endearing quality that justifies this man to manage not just yours and my ability to earn a living, but also to effectively and efficiently manage the monies they TAKE from us, supposedly for the greater good.

    If you want a twit or a thief to help you catch bad guys, make him a snitch, not the Secretary of the Fucking Treasury!!!

  86. No one who respects our democracy would seriously suggest restricting the right of the responsible citizen to own a gun (I don’t believe Obama feels that way either). But Reagan’s Press Secretary Jim Brady’s wife has every reason to want to see at least some attempt at scrutiny on who owns guns.

    But then the relevant question becomes who defines “irresponsible” with respect to what you are implying? And just how does requiring a permit not restrict my right to own a gun? The Constitution could not be more clear. It doesn’t say “shall not be infringed unless you want to collect information about the firearm and owner and charge a fee”, and in the case of cities like New York, “shall not be infringed unless you can conceive of a convoluted regulatory scheme with built-in pointless delays, dead ends, and exhorbitant fees”. No means no, not no unless you can be creative in getting around no.

    No one who respects our republic would presume that they have the right to start limiting the rights of others based upon subjective criteria that have already been the basis of petty tyrannies elsewhere.

  87. I talked to one of my softball buddies who is a cop tonight. He works East Dearborn. He tells me every other guy he pulls over is FBI, Homeland Security etc.

    There is alot of behind the scenes shit going down here in Detroit. He is certain that there are many terrorists in Michigan.

  88. Rabbit,

    I think the progressive party political correctness and the unions have practically ruined Michigan and I’m sorry for it, because there are parts of that state that are beautiful.

    Michigan along with California represent the greatest case for why Democrats, more specifically left wing Democratic philosophy, must be defeated for good.

    Everything the left wing of the Democratic party touches, they eventually ruin, whether it be companies, education, or government. They are a blight on society…

  89. If you want a twit or a thief to help you catch bad guys, make him a snitch, not the Secretary of the Fucking Treasury!!!

    LOL. OK Gorilla, I must admit that gave me a chuckle. On the one hand I admitted my defense of Geithner was weak. On the other hand, the article posted about Geithner earleir in this thread turns out to be bogus.

    “Meg Reilly, a spokeswoman for the Treasury, said that Mr. Geithner “played no role in these decisions and indeed, by Nov. 24, he was recused from working on issues involving specific companies, including A.I.G.””

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/08/business/economy/08aig.html

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