Christmas Terrorism and How Napolitano Gets it Wrong

On ABC’s This Week and NBC’s Meet the Press, Homeland Security head Janet Napolitano focused on how “the system worked” on the Northwest Airlines flight that almost got blown to bits on Christmas day.

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I’m sorry folks but I don’t want Billy Bob Watson of Tupelo, Mississippi and flight attendant Arlene standing between me and certain death. Granted, when passengers and crew act heroically we should be grateful but I get kinda concerned when this becomes Homeland Security’s first line of defense.

Now did I expect Ms. Napolitano to say “we screwed up and this should never have happened”? Of course not. But I also did not expect her to keep emphasizing the role of the average citizen in fighting terrorism. Not a single person involved in saving that holiday flight was an air marshall or any sort of law enforcement officer. Napolitano said she didn’t want vigilantism but I sure got a mixed signal from her.

From what I’ve read it seems to me that we’ve got way too many “people of interest” on one list (about a half million) and too few on the “no fly” list. Abdulmutallab was on the “everyone who ever said something scary list” but somehow wasn’t on the no fly list. I’d be curious what the criteria is to be on these lists. Abdulmutallab was obviously on the wrong one.

Regardless, our government needs to lead with the assurance that they are learning from experience to protect us and not lead by telling me that I have to tackle the guy next to me when he sets his pants on fire.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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188 thoughts on “Christmas Terrorism and How Napolitano Gets it Wrong

  1. “Regardless, our government needs to lead with the assurance that they are learning from experience to protect us and not lead by telling me that I have to tackle the guy next to me when he sets his pants on fire.”-R

    How can they do that when you and your pantie-waste friends refuse to face the facts: the entire “people of interest list” should on the “no fly list”.

    Visiting America is not some sort of right. How about we ban all 500,000 of them and then throw in another 10 million for safe measure?

    By the way, yet another upper middle class terrorist. Seems there just is no liberal spin to put the boogie man of radical Islam into context.

    As for Napolitano, we’re talking about someone who refers to terrorist attacks as man made disasters. The chick? is nothing but a PC tripe machine.

  2. The terrorist’s own dad, a big wig banker, turned the motherfucker in months ago!

    Yet he obtained a tourist visa to the US.

    What gives Janet Napolitano?

    Janet : “It doesn’t seem there was more information to put him to no-fly. You need information that is specific and credible if you’re going to bar people from air travel”.

    Hey dumb ass, his own Dad said he is going to blow some shit up.

    Fuck these stink beard savages. Ban them all. You know what makes it credible? A Muslim name. That’s it.

  3. I saw Janet talking about how the system worked. She used the word “smoothly”. What a joke.

    It’s mind boggling that while I was eating Christmas dinner, directly under the flight path of this thing, somebody was trying to blow it up above me. I’m not being dramatic either.

    And Janet blows total smoke up our asses.

    Why would she give such ridiculous spin? The airports are going to be hell no matter what. And everyone has to get home, it’s not like people are just going to stay at Grandma’s house forever.

    Why would she embarrass herself like that? That’s the question.

  4. There is an entire laundry list of how this guy shouldn’t have found himself on a US bound plane. From his dad to the stories coming out of London to the list itself. Nothing worked here but the rubber stamp acknowledging this guy was a POS and a danger. yet boom (sorry poor pun choice?) he’s on a plane.
    Also of note here is the choice of explosive used. I’m hearing iit is one that is popular but easily detectable. It is however the same deal the Saudis saw in a successful AQ ass bomb attack.
    Naps is a man made disaster. THAT is the true bottom line
    Question to the libs. How is she not flirting with Chertoff level incompetence on the HLS level?

  5. Remember awhile ago when I said that I was afraid the administration was reverting back to a pre-9/11 mindset.

    Well, I rest my case…

  6. R, this is what happens when you stick folks who are ideologues rather than professionals into critical positions. I’ve got Dem friends in this town who think she is a fucking moron.

    Hmmmmmm, maybe that’s the common denominator in Obama appointees. The Treasury Secretary who can’t figure his own taxes, the AG who doesn’t seem to understand international law and US legal precedent, and now the DHS Secretary who makes the Keystone Cops look tactically proficient.

    Gee, is there any wonder why we should all be afraid…

  7. How on God’s green earth did this moron ever get elected to governor in the first place is the question I would like to ask?

    If I were an Arizona citizen, I would bury my head in the sand. Janet N. is an embarrassment – but another perfect appointment for the current administration.

    I agree with you on this Rutherford. We should not be depending on passengers to overthrow terrorists. I’ll do my part, but there is not much I can do if I guy walks on with explosives in his pants.

    One thing for sure, though. I would have beat the shiite out of him after it was through. Let them charge me…

  8. Oh fuck yeah, Tex.

    I swear to God I would have bit his nose off.

    That bitch would be on Ebay right now for a 1,000 bucks as a souvenir from the War on Man Made Disasters.

  9. Well, Rabbit, you’re expressing my exact sentiments regarding Napolitano’s completely inappropriate response to this. That was the whole point of my article.

    Now your solution unfortunately is equally absurd, Half a million people on a no fly list seems like a lot of folks to me. Maybe not in the whole scheme of things. As I said in the post, I’d like to better understand the criteria that puts you on one list vs another.

    The notion that if you’re a Muslim you don’t get to fly ,,, you know that puts you in Elric territory don’t you? The screening has got to be a bit more granular than that.

    But as far as outrage at Napolitano’s response, you’re definitely preaching to the choir on that one. I’m with you 100%.

  10. Also of note here is the choice of explosive used.

    Alfie, if I’m not mistaken, he used the same explosive as the shoe bomber a few years ago. We are fortunate that these yahoos only end up setting themselves on fire.

    Back to Rabbit for a minute … the danger of your solution Rabbit was illustrated today when a completely legit Nigerian wouldn’t come out of the bathroom cos he was sick as a dog and the plane crew freaked out. Now I don’t blame them one bit for being skittish but it still goes to show that Nigerian does not equal bomber.

    We do have to be a bit careful in how we profile. YES, we do need to profile but it has to be reasonable. Abdulmutallab should not have been allowed on a plane, no way no how. That much is clear,

  11. Of course the other side effect that pisses me off is the grist this supplies to the GOP mill. Honestly, I had nothing against Napolitano before this. If I remember correctly, prior to being Governor she was a prosecutor. So I had no major problem with her appointment.

    She had NO business appearing on the morning shows today, at least not with that half-assed assessment of what happened. I could not believe my ears. “The system worked as it should” .. you have got to be friggin kidding me! Well, I’m repeating myself.

    Bottom line, I can’t defend Janet on this one. What’s more she needs to lose the damn leather jacket and turtle neck when she’s representing our government on national TV. (I’m not a happy man right now.)

  12. Remember awhile ago when I said that I was afraid the administration was reverting back to a pre-9/11 mindset.

    Well, as you can guess G, I’m not going to go that far. Let’s not forget this dude boarded the plane in Amsterdam so we do need to know what the hell was going on at that airport.

    There is no evidence that this screw-up is the result of dismantling any of the Bush air travel precautions. There is evidence that the system is bureaucratic with too many damn lists and no definitive way of identifying and stopping known nutjobs from getting on planes. NO, I’m not blaming Bush for this. The current administration needs to strip down this process, make it lean mean and effective.

  13. Let me be clear here. My specific gripe is that you cannot tell the citizenry that your safety depends primarily on your own vigilance and then get upset when you wind up with vigilantes.

  14. “The notion that if you’re a Muslim you don’t get to fly ,,, you know that puts you in Elric territory don’t you? ”

    I didn’t mean being Muslim was enough to get you banned. I should have worded it better. I meant that a Muslim name coupled with a “person of interest” tag should be enough to be barred from America.

    Do you really want any of those 500,000 here? I don’t.

  15. “the danger of your solution Rabbit was illustrated today when a completely legit Nigerian wouldn’t come out of the bathroom cos he was sick as a dog and the plane crew freaked out.”-R

    Who gives a shit? Awwww poor Nigerian. Seriously, who gives a fuck?

  16. Do you really want any of those 500,000 here? I don’t.

    Well that all depends on the criteria, doesn’t it? This is why I’d like to know why there is more than one list in the first place and what tips a dude over the line from the big f*cked up list to the smaller really f*cked up list.

    As for today’s Nigerian, I’d like to know more about why exactly he wasn’t able to communicate his problem to the crew in a way that they could know he wasn’t a threat, That remains to be seen. But dude, you should “give a sh*t” cos tomorrow they’ll go into a frenzy cos Rabbit is in the toilet and won’t come out. Sorry but we always have to watch out for the slippery slope.

  17. Rutherford, what exactly happened to that innocent Nigerian that you feel was so sad? What does “freaked out” mean? Did they beat the shit out of him? Or were they actually being rational and not “freaking out” at all? Did the Nigerian get to enter the U.S. as a guest? No harm, no foul then right?

    You liberals and your fucking feelings. Somebody almost blew a plane out the sky on Christmas and you’re already finger wagging us over the supposed victimization of some African dude who may or may not have had his feelings hurt.

  18. If a Muslim even smells the wrong way, I don’t want him here. Muslims need to prove they belong here as our guest. It should be on them, not us. You end up on the list for no reason, oh well. There are worse things to happen to somebody then being banned from visiting a foreign country.

  19. I got a big fat slipery slope right here for you, R!

    If you can’t see the pattern and it’s correlation to political correctness then you’re blind.

    An officer in the army gives power point presentations on jihad and you can’t figure out why he massacred innocents.

    A fucking Al Queda member’s own Dad turns him in, and Homeland Security is telling us the system worked perfectly.

    You can’t make this up, I swear.

    Dude, there are hundreds of thousands of these fucktards out there. It only takes a few for complete chaos. Do the math.

    wake up!

  20. On one more note, Janet is the ugliest chick on the planet. Is she married? I can’t imagine some dude having sex with that butch. I think I seriously would rather got to a petting zoo and slap my tea bag off the back of a sheep.

    Plus I know the tricks. Take ‘um to the side of a cliff and they push back. Wear extra size boots and they can’t get away.

    Good night.

  21. What I get here is that you’re criticizing her for sending mixed-messages. How this gets down to Umar not being on the No Fly list and how this possibly being her fault doesn’t make sense.

    Umar was reported to the US embassy, not Napolitano. I suspect from all accounts that the information the father gave the embassy was not enough to add him on the No Fly list. I wish I could just go to the embassy and report a random person and have them on the No Fly list but it doesn’t work that way. And if anything, this would have just been poor judgment of those at the embassy if there was indeed enough evidence to put him on the No Fly list.

    People of interest is a list of people that might have said a suspicious thing but there’s no evidence of wrong doing. These people usually go through additional screening anyways. If he went through additional screening at the Nigeria airport then additional screening might not have been needed at the Amsterdam airport. Sorry, Napolitano can’t control their airports.

    If anything this situation should spark some kind of international standard for airport security and watch lists.

  22. Rutherford:
    I had a post that was essentially a STRATFOR report
    http://in2thefray.wordpress.com/2009/09/06/in2-al-qaeda-ass-bomb/
    It boiled down to this

    But the al-Asiri case ended very differently from the al-Awfi case. Unlike al-Awfi, al-Asiri was not a genuine repentant — he was a human Trojan horse. After al-Asiri entered a small room to speak with Prince Mohammed, he activated a small improvised explosive device (IED) he had been carrying inside his anal cavity. The resulting explosion ripped al-Asiri to shreds but only lightly injured the shocked prince — the target of al-Asiri’s unsuccessful assassination attempt.

    Which gels with the AP and others report of:

    Investigators say Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab hid an explosive device on his body when he traveled from Amsterdam to Detroit. They say PETN was hidden in a condom or condom-like bag just below his torso.

    As far as your concern that is not very well presented in my opinion that Nappy et al actually expect the common folk to play a role.
    That actually isn’t to far off from well accepted reality so I can’t fault her on that even though I despise her.
    The lists,plural,that you seem to revile have worked more often than not and has actually lead to a decrease in the desire to travel to the UUSA. I don’t know if there has been an actual non recession related decline but the DESIRE is well documented. Lists false positive as well as the e visa procedures have been credited with putting a dent in travel by worthy folks.
    All in all Nap is a douche who shouldn’t be in the position she is in. She is an incompetent and a boob whence on the tube. I see now she reportedly concedes the system failed. brilliant!
    So Katrina aside especially since that is a FEMA issue and FEMA has sucked for a long time my previous question still applies but to anyone.
    How is she not flirting with Chertoff level incompetence on the HLS level?

  23. There is really only one path that this problem can be solved and it needs to start with many liberals admitting that profiling is not of the devil. A 71 year old white Swedish lady in a calf high dress is not as likely to blow up a plane as a 27 yr. Syrian imam with a 6″ beard. By God, I hope we are profiling.

    But even that path is not completely sufficient. The bottom line is that Muslims, millions of them, need to start speaking up loud and clear – not a guest here, or an imam there. I mean millions of Muslims around the world need to march and ridicule this would be terrorist’s perversion of their faith – if that is how they actually believe.

    It would answer many personal questions I have, as well. Like are Muslims sincere about biggest wholly against jihad? Don’t give me this personal struggle pat answer junk.

  24. Now will Mr. Great Balls of Fire terrorist be booked into the Illinois GITMO to appease militant leftists? Or will we simply give him over to Somalia to fight another day under the Obama Geneva Code to appease “moderate” leftists? 🙂

  25. The notion that if you’re a Muslim you don’t get to fly ,,, you know that puts you in Elric territory don’t you? The screening has got to be a bit more granular than that.

    No, it doesn’t.

    I realize in your world, the papers and daily news must be crammed with the stories about the Buddists and Hindus and Zoroastrians, and Jews, and Christians, who set off car bombs, wander in to crowds with explosives and detonate them, and hijack airliners and fly them into buildings when they aren’t trying to blow them up in mid air, and threatening people with their OUTRAGE! and declare fatwas on those who they feel have insulted their religion, but here on Reality Street, USA, all of the above are the characteristics of one religious group, and one religious group alone. It is a group that teaches that your way into heaven is to kill infidels, and infidels are anyone who does not believe in their moon god. It is a group that teaches that lying is ok, if you lie to infidels so that you may get them to relax so that you may more easily kill them when they do not submit to your 4th century worldview.

    Any society not bent on suicide should be able to figure out pretty damn quick that when one group has consistently proven day in and day out that they refuse to play well with others, and that they simply do not have any intention to exhibit any of a civilized society’s redeeming characteristics, that the answer is to profile, to ostracize, and to isolate. That, unfortunately, is not us.

    It is very simple. There are two different kinds of muslim. The first is serious about their “faith”, and the second isn’t. Yet. The first is what some on the left, who cannot help but to peek at reality through the fingers covering their eyes, call “radical” or “extreme”. The second is the purveyor of that as-of-yet unmatured brand of faith called “the peaceful muslim”, the exception that the left would feverently wish into reality as the rule, when in truth, they simply haven’t gotten serious about what their “faith” teaches…yet.

  26. And I realize that the idea of people deciding to be responsible for their own safety freightens you. You have said as much in our prior conversations regarding the implements that make such things possible, I.E. guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens (gasp!), but it is becoming increasingly clear that the government would rather offer empty platitudes upon the perpetration of terrorism, rather than risk brusied feelings by focusing increased and real scrutiny upon members of certain target groups likely to perpetrate real acts of terrorism. I’m certain that bad thngs will happen because the government will continue to incovenience without taking serious steps to actually make the process safer, just as I am equally certain that they will be sure to crack down hard on those who have taken this responsibility on themselves when those bad things do happen.

  27. Sensico says

    Sorry, Napolitano can’t control their airports.

    The thing is we kinda do… much to the disdain of the Europeans. As for the African continent or ME no.The model we use is akin to the nostalgic notion that the oceans served as a barrier. If we see what’s coming we’re better off. the problem is the softened limp dickness of bureaucracy inevitable leads to failings.
    For what it’s worth contrary to you post on your blog this is worth politicizing. It is also note worthy it was going to happen eventually regardless the party affiliation of the Oval occupant.

  28. Man, did you guys know that part of Obama’s Gitmo plan is sending dozens of these guys back to Yemen? Did you also know that almost all of the Cole bombers have escaped from prison in Yemen? In fact, nearly all terrorists seem to escape in that arm pit!

    If one of Obama’s terrorists escape from Yemen and strike us, Obama should be charged with fricking negligent manslaughter.

    Why does Obama have so much man love for these guys??????

  29. Sensico, your point about international airport standards is a valid one. However you miss the point of my post.

    I am not saying the airline mishap was Napolitano’s fault per se. I am saying that when an incident like this happens, you don’t have a representative of the government get on TV and say the system worked. It did not work. Air flight attendants and average citizens are not part of Homeland Security, nor international security. The system failed and fortunately private citizens were able to avert disaster (with the help of a faulty detonator).

  30. Rutherford,

    Out of morbid curiosity, who do you consider a strong and decisive leader of the Obama administration?

    Which member do you have the most faith in? I was racking my brain and the only one so far who seems to be above great criticism is Robert Gates. Then I was reminded as to why. 🙂

  31. The lists,plural,that you seem to revile

    Whoa, Alfie where do you get the idea I revile any list? I just want a friggin accurate list. And sorry, you can’t convince me that a list of 500 thousand people helps us narrow down the real threat.

    It also goes beyond a list. It goes to behavioral models that were ignored in this case. The dude paid cash for a one-way ticket with only carry on luggage. That alone means he should get intimately felt up by every airport security guy from Nigeria to Amsterdam.

    But please don’t misrepresent my position as being against no fly lists. That’s preposterous.

  32. As far as your concern that is not very well presented in my opinion that Nappy et al actually expect the common folk to play a role.
    That actually isn’t to far off from well accepted reality so I can’t fault her on that even though I despise her.

    Sorry Alfie but again I disagree. Should everyone be on guard for this type of thing when they travel? Sure. But it is the last line of defense not the first. When a representative of the US government gets on TV and says the system worked because the last line of defense worked, that is absurd.

  33. The bottom line is that Muslims, millions of them, need to start speaking up loud and clear – not a guest here, or an imam there. I mean millions of Muslims around the world need to march and ridicule this would be terrorist’s perversion of their faith – if that is how they actually believe.

    I fully agree! I am sick and tired of silence from the Muslim community on this and I also agree that one dude with a PoliSci degree doesn’t cut it. We need a friggin’ Million Man March in protest of radical Islam inspired terrorism.

    Until the vast majority of peace loving Muslims get off their ass and start condemning this, the Elric’s of the world have more and more reason to feel the way they do and I have less and less ability to counter their argument.

  34. Now will Mr. Great Balls of Fire terrorist be booked into the Illinois GITMO to appease militant leftists?

    Oh stop belly-aching about where he gets held. First, he wasn’t picked off the battle field. His act of terrorism still falls under criminal law. He’s been charged (quite quickly I might add). He’ll be tried and his ass will go in the slammer. I could care less which slammer.

    What probably should burn you up, understandably, is that he already has a court appointed lawyer mounting a defense, The mofo tried to blow up a plane in plain sight but this is America so he gets a defense attorney. That is our system of justice. You just have to live with it. (I’m sure it must be hard for that defense attorney to look herself in the mirror.)

  35. The second is the purveyor of that as-of-yet unmatured brand of faith called “the peaceful muslim”, the exception that the left would feverently wish into reality as the rule, when in truth, they simply haven’t gotten serious about what their “faith” teaches…yet.

    Pure unadulterated bullsh*t. We have centuries of history behind us without world domination by Muslims and yet suddenly you’re weak in the knees at the very sight of a mosque. Give me a break.

    As I said earlier, I am sick and tired of liberals defending Muslims when Muslims should be defending Muslims by openly and actively decrying these acts of terrorism. In fact, I’d go so far as to say that we should start seeing some Muslim-on-Muslim violence in the name of stopping this crap. Muslims should be in a position where if they even think about committing this crap, their fellow Muslims beat the hell out of them.

    I’ll tell you what though. I suspect that if Muslims want their religion to survive, they will wake up to the damage that radical Islam is doing to their overall reputation and we will see a change. We will see more activism among peace loving Muslims to stop this stuff.

  36. just as I am equally certain that they will be sure to crack down hard on those who have taken this responsibility on themselves when those bad things do happen.

    I don’t see anyone on that plane getting charged with a crime other than HotPants.

  37. Did you also know that almost all of the Cole bombers have escaped from prison in Yemen? In fact, nearly all terrorists seem to escape in that arm pit!

    Well Rabbit, you’ll be happy to know your fav independent Joe Lieberman says Yemen should be the next Iraq. Preemptive war there before there is war there. 😉

  38. We have centuries of history behind us without world domination by Muslims and yet suddenly you’re weak in the knees at the very sight of a mosque.

    Look a little harder at your history. Start by googling “Charles Martel”. Then, answer your own question by looking at how long Islamic-controlled areas of the world resisted certain western advancements that allowed populations to grow and expand. Then study what has happened EACH AND EVERY TIME they move into an area…the pattern is always the same. They’re nice and freindly and just want to get along…until their numbers are large enough that they don’t have to play nice any more, then it is submit, or else. Europe is rediscovering this sad equation, as is the Phillipines, and various places in the far east. But keep your head in the sand, R. If you ignore that threat long enough, maybe some nice saracen will remove you from the burden of your head.

    I’ll tell you what though. I suspect that if Muslims want their religion to survive, they will wake up to the damage that radical Islam is doing to their overall reputation and we will see a change. We will see more activism among peace loving Muslims to stop this stuff.

    Before or after pigs fly?

    R, what effect do you think an Iranian Nuclear weapon will have on the lions of pislam? Do you think that will make them more peaceful, or less peaceful? More willing to tolerate infidels or less tolerant of them?

  39. I don’t see anyone on that plane getting charged with a crime other than HotPants.

    That’s because he failed.

    What about the next guy who sees an arab take out a syringe on a long flight and start to inject the contents somewhere on his person? Only maybe the guy is a diabetic?

  40. What makes a muslim “radical”, R?
    Is it their believing in the tenents of Islam, or is it acting on them?

    The same damn thing that makes a Christian radical. Any Christian can subjugate his wife and use the Bible as a defense. Fortunately, secularism has resulted in a society where the average self respecting woman would kick her husband’s ass if he tried subjugating her. I assure you, if it weren’t for secular legislation women would still not have the vote in this country.

    I submit that every major religious text if followed to the letter gives license for someone to piss on someone else. It is the selective interpretation of these texts that liberates people from savagery.

  41. The same damn thing that makes a Christian radical. Any Christian can subjugate his wife and use the Bible as a defense. Fortunately, secularism has resulted in a society where the average self respecting woman would kick her husband’s ass if he tried subjugating her. I assure you, if it weren’t for secular legislation women would still not have the vote in this country.

    And where in the Bible does it say I can “Subjugate” my wife? Book, chapter, and verse, please. In all my years of reading it, I don’t recall ever having read such a thing. Go ahead, I’ll wait, because this is really one of those “put up or shut up” things.

    Don’t “submit” it. Provide proof, because that statement tells me that you’ve really never bothered to inform yourself as to the role of christianity in the formation and governance of this republic prior to coming of Dewey, Wilson, and other “progressives” who were educated at the feet of ‘scholars’ who studied in Europe and brought their poisonous ideas here.

    Seriously. You want to be a student of history, and what motivated the founders? Put down the Plato. Pick up Cicero, then Locke, Monteseque, and yes, the Bible. Spend some time with the works of W. Cleon Skousen and Benjamin Franklin Morris, for more source material and perspective.

  42. What about the next guy who sees an arab take out a syringe on a long flight and start to inject the contents somewhere on his person? Only maybe the guy is a diabetic?

    That is precisely why we don’t rely on the last point of defense for this type of thing. Average citizens should not be burdened with discerning between a diabetic and a terrorist.

    Just as average citizens should not be roaming the streets with guns for “self defense” when they are not trained to fight crime.

    BiW, methinks you were born way after your time. You are a man of the wild West. 🙂

  43. That is precisely why we don’t rely on the last point of defense for this type of thing. Average citizens should not be burdened with discerning between a diabetic and a terrorist.

    R, that isn’t a “line of defense”. A line of defense implies that there is something to be done. This guy did what he needed to do to be successful. It was a failure of materials, not of actions that prevented an act of urban renewal over parts of Detroit. And that’s the point. Citizens are subjected to more intrusive and idiotic measures, applied in a fashion that might only catch the bad guys on accident, so that the government can say that it is “doing something”, but never actually has to make a hard decision and actually profile members of the subject class.

    While I enjoy a good cavity search as much as the next guy, when I see the arab guy with no obvious infirmity go through screening without actually having to let go of the cane he is holding, but not actually using, and I have an overweight, sweaty guy getting all up close and personal with my prostate, it’s obvious that we aren’t doing what we need to do.

    We are increasingly subjected to indignities and invasions of our privacy, but we aren’t getting a corresponding benefit in return for our troubles. Just more government talking heads saying “Remain calm. All is well. Be at peace, for Teh Won is the leader and now the world will love us.”

  44. “…that prevented an act of urban renewal”-BiW

    lol…hey…i resent that. The plane would have rained down on Merriman Road. Garden City, Inkster maybe Romulus. My old hood!

  45. There are several interesting nuggets of discussion here.

    A) Is Islam redeemable?

    B) Is the current administration competent?

    C) How big a threat is Yemen?

    So many jewels to choose from and so little time. BiW (as usual) hit the nail on the head- is it their believing in the tenents of Islam, or is it acting on them? As I’ve said before, Islam prevents reevaluation of the suras in the Koran and unless you can get a plethora of clerics to go out on a limb (and it’d be a shaky limb) to reevaluate the Hawk verses, there will be no reinterpretation.

    Jihad is one of five pillars in Islam- its not a good idea, its not a suggestion, its not something to consider, it is a mandatory construct of a Muslims faith in Allah. Now, the question about what the struggle is about is in flux, but the precedent of force is alive and well, supported by centuries of conquest and subjugation.

    With that in mind, and considering that with the exception of Oklahoma City, the multiple terrorist attacks on the US have been carried out by one group- Islamic radicals. I fail to see how paying a little extra attention to Muslims is paranoid.

    I highly recommend Vince Flynn books. They’re fiction, they’re entertaining, but they’re very close to how we, the folks engaged in this fight fight daily, feel.

  46. lol…hey…i resent that. The plane would have rained down on Merriman Road. Garden City, Inkster maybe Romulus. My old hood!

    Sorry, Rabbit. Whenever I hear “Detroit”, I think of the wasteland south of 8 mile that remains to this day as Coleman Young’s legacy. I always hated going to Detroit, and to this day, I’ll pay extra not to fly in there when I go back to visit family.

  47. If Rutherford the historian would do a quick check about peace loving Muslims, he would find that the country where Mecca resides, a great majority of the country approve of the terrorist actions.

    And Rutherford, you obviously have no idea of the premise and reason for the Crusades, do you? Clueless doesn’t begin to describe liberals when it comes to history (or the Constitution).

  48. This is TOTALLY off topic but I had to share a TV experience tonight because such coincidences just don’t happen very often.

    Bored on winter vacation, my wife turns on a show called Mystery Diagnosis (or something like that) in which a man complains of hot hands and feet, chronic diarrhea, skin rash, joint pain. After many false diagnoses it is determined that the guy has Fabry disease, a rare condition that causes fat deposits all over the body wreaking havoc with many functions.

    Since we were kinda in a medical mood, we then turned on an old episode of “House” which we recorded on our Tivo several months ago. In the opening scene, the character says “my hands are on fire”. I then of course turn to my wife and say jokingly “guess the dude must have Fabry disease.” We both chuckle and settle in for the usual House melodrama. Well guess what? At the end of the episode we discover the dude had Fabry disease. Needless to say I requested a high five from my wife. 🙂

    What are the odds of watching two random shows (one totally fictional) featuring the same exotic disease?

    Again … sorry for going off topic but that weird alignment of stars was just too good not to share.

    And now back to our previously scheduled discussion of underwear-burning-Muslims.

  49. We are increasingly subjected to indignities and invasions of our privacy, but we aren’t getting a corresponding benefit in return for our troubles.

    BiW you are mistaking a poorly executed safety procedure with an unnecessary one. Pat-downs are a good idea and would have stopped this nutjob had they been properly done in Nigeria or Amsterdam.

    Since we’re on the topic of precautionary measures, what is the opinion of our commenters on the full body scan that essentially sees through clothing? Too invasive or a good idea?

  50. And where in the Bible does it say I can “Subjugate” my wife? Book, chapter, and verse, please. In all my years of reading it, I don’t recall ever having read such a thing. Go ahead, I’ll wait, because this is really one of those “put up or shut up” things.

    I could easily do this with a two minute search on Google. I won’t because I know how the game is played. Tex taught me. I provide the scripture and then you tell me how I’ve quoted it out of context and I am totally ignorant of TRUE Christianity.

    The more worthwhile sociological research would be to discern why Christians have accepted modern advances and for the most part used their scripture to preach good while many Muslim nations have rejected modern advances, live in the stone age, and embrace the darker side of their scriptures. The easy answer is Islam is bad. I think a more evolved society discards the easy answer and tries to look deeper to find a solution that does not rob peaceful Muslims of a faith that sustains them, just as your faith in Jesus Christ sustains you.

  51. R, what effect do you think an Iranian Nuclear weapon will have on the lions of pislam?

    I think any country run by religious loonies should not have the bomb. This is again why I must remind you that we have a secular government. The day our country is taken over by religious loonies, I will be very concerned about our possession of the bomb.

  52. I could easily do this with a two minute search on Google. I won’t because I know how the game is played. Tex taught me. I provide the scripture and then you tell me how I’ve quoted it out of context and I am totally ignorant of TRUE Christianity.

    I think what I’ve actually taught you is that when you parrot or paraphrase your typical lefty, pagan drivel, I simply continue on with the verses demonstrating how you’ve taken the scripture completely out of context.

    What you will find in the Bible is Christ instructing husbands to love their wives as Christ had loved the Church. You will find nothing in the Bible stating females to be inferior in any shape, unless you find “women are the weaker vessel” as subjugating.

    But you are right about one thing – you are totally ignorant of Christianity and the Bible other than what you rehash on Rachel Madcow. 😛

  53. I could easily do this with a two minute search on Google. I won’t because I know how the game is played. Tex taught me. I provide the scripture and then you tell me how I’ve quoted it out of context and I am totally ignorant of TRUE Christianity.

    That’s a cop-out answer to a serious challenge.

    *thwack* (That was my gauntlet meeting your cheek)

    Find the passage that says I may “Subjugate” (your word, not mine) or retract the remark.

  54. As for quoting it out of context, a favorite canard employed by members of the current administration whenever they say something dumb and get called on it, it doesn’t really compare to someone who might read the occassional Bible verse and pretend to know exactly what it means. You aren’t quoting an empty-skulled political hack who has been trained to speak in sound bites, yet wants an easy out when they catch their pecker in their zipper. I can open my Bible anywhere, read one verse, and its more likely than not that what it means as a stand alone phrase may be completely different than what it means in terms of the entire chapter, or book of the Bible.

  55. OK BiW, although I know I will regret it, I will play your game.

    This from 1 Timothy 2:11

    “11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.”

    Then again at Ephesians 5:22

    “22 Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. ”

    Now please tell me how I’ve taken these quotes out of context. I’ll even concede something to you. The wife-beater who defends his actions with these quotes is taking them out of context. Just as the Muslim who uses the Koran to justify his violence is being selective in his interpretation.

  56. Interesting banter all. I can’t really respect Napolitano in that she attempted to remove terrorism from Homeland Security’s vocabulary, allowed a Homeland Security study to be published (even if in draft) that basically made reference to that any pro-life advocate or strict states’ rights conservative is somehow more likely to commit an act of terrorism, um, I mean manmade disaster.

    When you are the last line of defense – well there sure as f wasn’t any defense.

    I wonder if Sully Sullenberger would have kicked the guy in the balls?

  57. Ahh. You equate “submission” with “subjugation”?

    They are not the same words, and you know it, R. The people who have done the various translations over time have chosen their words carefully, and with good reason.

    From the Webster’s Encylopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language:

    Subjugate: 1. To bring under complete control or subjection; conquer; master. 2. to make submissive or subserviant; enslave. [Emphasis mine].

    Submission: 1. an act or instance of submitting. 2. the condition of having submitted. 3. submissive conduct or attitude. 4. something that is submitted, as an application. 5. Law an agreement between parties involved in a dispute, to abide by a decision of an arbitrator or abritrators.

    Now in the context that “submission” is used in the Bible, the root definition that is in effect would be “to give over or yield to the power or authority of another.”

    How do you figure out context in the Bible? You look for other places where a subject is discussed. You missed two. 1 Peter 2:13, admonishing believers to submit to earthly authority, and 1 Peter 3:1 which again discusses the commandment for wives to be submissive to their husbands…and this reference actually goes further to give an account why…and it isn’t for chauvinistic reasons.

    1Wives, in the same way be submissive to your husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, 2when they see the purity and reverence of your lives. 3Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes. 4Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God’s sight. 5For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful. They were submissive to their own husbands, 6like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her master. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear.

    But the real kicker, and hole in your argument is the 7th verse, which is for the husbands, to whom the submission is to be rendered:

    7Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner and as heirs with you of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing will hinder your prayers.

    Now a Christian, someone who is serious about their faith, clearly is not about “subjugating” their wife if they intend to live by the word. Subjugation, put simply, is an act of conquest. Submission is an act of yielding, and the expectation is that a believing wife will do so voluntarily. The former is what I might expect of a devout muslim, who is instructed by his Imam in the art of beating his wife; the latter is an act of faith, designed to preach the true gospel of peace through real actions, and in case you are wondering, yes, it does work, and the women and men who show this faith also live a marriage of true mutual respect borne of the fruits of their actions. Perhaps you can see why your choice of word is both wholly inappropriate and highly offensive? I invite you again to withdraw the comment.

    While Timothy certainly is tougher in his admonition, he also faced a different situation than did Paul or Peter, because Timothy faced a situation where false teachers were preying on women, young widows in particular, and restricting their involvement in the church would cut down on these teacher’s ability to spread their false teaching and let it take hold. He was also ignoring a common belief at the time that women were incapable of learning…it was a command that they learn, and instruction on how they should learn. Such an attitude was expected of male believers undergoing instruction as well.

    Paul had already recognized that women had authority to teach and to evangelize, which is hardly consistent with your portrayal of Christianity as restrictive to women’s freedom.

    Romans 16:1-3:

    1I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a servant[a] of the church in Cenchrea. 2I ask you to receive her in the Lord in a way worthy of the saints and to give her any help she may need from you, for she has been a great help to many people, including me. 3Greet Priscilla[b] and Aquila, my fellow workers in Christ Jesus.

    Philemon 4:2-3:

    2I plead with Euodia and I plead with Syntyche to agree with each other in the Lord. 3Yes, and I ask you, loyal yokefellow,[a] help these women who have contended at my side in the cause of the gospel, along with Clement and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.

    I thank you for your recognition that the activity you complain of would be defended out of context with the verses, but it kind of proves my point, doesn’t it?

    Southerners have a saying : The Devil can quote you scripture all day long.

    It’s true, and that is why believers have a duty to constantly train themselves in the word and to understand what it means. In times past, it would have been harder to understand the history in which these things were said, which is certainly helpful in understanding some of the tougher phrases, but as we live in an information age, in which the history has been extensively studied and affirmed, and in which many different scholars have made various translations of the original greek texts available, we really have much less of an excuse than prior generations for not knowing what it means and not just what it says.

    although I know I will regret it

    There shouldn’t be anything to regret. Either you knew all of this, because you’re a smart guy, and you simply compared my faith to the beliefs of blood-thirsty, rock-worshipping savages, or you didn’t and now you know something that you didn’t know before. Either way, I still demand a retraction of your statement, as you have already conceded that it is NOT true.

  58. I think any country run by religious loonies should not have the bomb. This is again why I must remind you that we have a secular government. The day our country is taken over by religious loonies, I will be very concerned about our possession of the bomb.

    I think that it still does not answer the question asked.

  59. Rutherford,

    Great post, could not agree more. All politics aside this incident is unforgivable. Both the Bush and the Obama Administrations have jeopardized our safety by not setting stringent security regulations for airlines to follow.

    El Al is a perfect example of what an airline can do when theyput their passengers first.

    For the record I also think Napolitano should resign. I am not saying this as a conservative but rather as a citizen that flies over 150 thousand miles a year. She is an apologist for bureaucracy and political correctness and Obama should replace her. Quite frankly I think Hilliary Clinton would make a much better DHS Secretary. I also think someone like Joe Lieberman would be extremely effective.

    Just some thoughts from the center right.

    Chuck

  60. About the only subjugating I see between sexes is the demand of the Densico type or the pussified males from the left. From the beat downs in the office requiring all males to take sexual harassment classes taught by bullying, ugly females, to the frivolous sexual harassment lawsuits, to the quota demands for hiring and pay, I witnessed our federal gov’t feminizing men in action.

    This semester, my youngest daughter who is a freshman in college, will be taking the enlightening “women’s studies” course required by the school, where she will be taught that all men are of course, neanderthals, pigs and serial rapists, while all women virtuous.

    Unfortunately for the small private university, there will be at least one 19 year old female that understands men and women are different, willingly submits to her daddy to be the head of the household, and finds no weakness in that whatsoever. In fact, she is still able to lead him around the house by the nose, as does her mother, with dad’s permission.

  61. Rather than do the research, I think I’ll just provide old “R” with one of the best Christian apologists around and let John MacArthur explain it to him.

    If you’re interested Rutherford, please read this so we don’t have to keep rehashing the horse crap you continue to spout that you’ve learned from the secular world – about how women are somehow inferior in Christian households.

    http://www.biblebb.com/files/mac/sg54-15.htm

    May I add that it would be worth your time to look up and see who it was that Christ first appeared to in the most important event to take place in human history…that would be His resurrection for the clueless (libs).

  62. 😆 😆 😆

    Every once in awhile, something comes up that makes me laugh out loud I read on the net. I see that the ugliest guy I have ever seen had just posted up in Rutherford’s comments, so out of curiosity, I read this on his blog and found the below beauty. This leftist are like the dweebs in high school, who gather in the bathroom to play make believe about beating the jocks up. This is the ultimate wimp.

    After that when I comment on ChenZhen’s blog he shout that I censor people who disagree with me which is just not true (assholes get banned). The best part is I would just ignore him and think at one point he must have popped a blood vessel. Recently, I did grow tired of him and ripped him a new asshole and mentioned the same thing you did about him not being any type of real Christian he claims to be.

    This loon goes by the name “Revolting Pawn”, is dumber than dirt as he finally got a spellchecker when I made fun of his idiocy, when challenged does censor as he blatantly lies, and accuses me of being disturbed. I’ve never had more fun making fun of a turd than I did this guy, who is living in Oz someplace, still without ever having a girl friend.

    Hey Pawn, if you read this I challenge you to a debate and will let you pick the topic dummy. But the challenge is here so you can’t censor. I still say you’re the ugliest man on the planet and noticed after my mocking you, you’ve now taken your picture off your blog. 🙂

    And as far as me blowing a blood vessel, your memory is a little fogged Puke. I believe it was you who became threatening after I mocked you, so I gave you my hometown to show up with instruction how to find me. You never showed wussy, but the offer still stands when you get your fat, bald-headed ass down here so I can provide a major league beatdown, mock you some more while you bleed, before I “mail” you home to that rectum called Buffalo. 😛

  63. What makes it worse is her next interview she says that it was somehow “Taken Out Of Context”. How that can be taken out of context in a full interview is beyond me.

  64. BIC,

    I predicted by the end of the year about July 2009, so I look like I’m going to lose my bet – but I’m guessing it can’t be too much longer.

    And though Rutherford would not recognize it as such, I believe those Iraqi air strips that God provided courtesy of George Bush and the U.S. military will come in very handy. 🙂

  65. Chuck, I’m awfully tempted to agree with you regarding the resignation of Napolitano. I tend to think that is an over-reaction but I’m torn. Her response to this right out of the gate was of such huge incompetence that the symbolism of her head rolling might do some good.

  66. And though Rutherford would not recognize it as such, I believe those Iraqi air strips that God provided courtesy of George Bush and the U.S. military will come in very handy.

    You’re kidding, right? Teh Won won’t allow the Israelis to use them. Hell, he’d still be lecturing them about “opening a dialogue” two days after Tel Aviv was reduced to glowing rubble.

  67. R, what effect do you think an Iranian Nuclear weapon will have on the lions of pislam? Do you think that will make them more peaceful, or less peaceful? More willing to tolerate infidels or less tolerant of them?

    As you can see, there was more than one part to the question, and the other parts were meant to make you look outside your religious prejudices.

  68. Ahh. You equate “submission” with “subjugation”?

    The only thing dumber than arguing about religion with a Christian is arguing about religion with a Christian lawyer. If you weren’t a conservative, I’d swear you advised Bill Clinton to say “that depends on what the meaning of is is”.

    Southerners have a saying : The Devil can quote you scripture all day long.

    My point exactly. I was never arguing about the meaning of Biblical verse, I was arguing about interpretation. Any book of scripture in the wrong hands is a dangerous thing. I know less of the Koran than the Bible (which means I know next to nothing about the Koran) so I will grant you that the Koran may provide much more room for malicious interpretation than the Bible does. In fact, perhaps we have an inverse relationship with the Koran. Perhaps the bulk of it is “evil” and peaceful Muslims cherry pick the nice parts vs the Bible, the bulk of which is benign and is cherry picked for evil purposes by the bad guys.

    My point is bigger than any of this.

    Religion (all religion) demands of its followers 1) faith, 2) submission and 3) worship. This is a very dangerous cocktail in the wrong hands. This is why David Koresh, and Jim Jones and abortion-doctor-killers are dangerous as hell and also why Abdulmutallab is dangerous as hell. There is an element to all religion that asks its followers to abandon critical reason and to act on faith. We are now seeing what happens when a man’s faith tells him that he must blow up a plane. And quite frankly I am offended by Christians who do not see the common thread among all religions and who make Islam evil rather than seeing it as a cautionary tale for all religious fanaticism.

  69. Unfortunately for the small private university, there will be at least one 19 year old female that understands men and women are different, willingly submits to her daddy to be the head of the household, and finds no weakness in that whatsoever. In fact, she is still able to lead him around the house by the nose, as does her mother, with dad’s permission.

    Men and women are different and Daddy is the head of the household. Oooooo, I don’t know how to even go near that one. Well, let me do it in the most self-effacing way possible.

    As you know, I am presently underemployed. If I strutted around my house claiming to be the “head of the household” I’d get my ass kicked so hard a proctologist would have to go looking for my wife’s shoe. And don’t get me wrong, I come from the same man/woman power balance model that I suspect you do. It’s one reason why I find my current predicament more than a bit humiliating. But make no mistake dude, when a kid sees her Mom as the only one pulling down an income, there is no way in hell that she thinks Daddy is “head of the household”. I’m lucky in that my kid is only 5 (6 in two weeks) and doesn’t have a clear concept of work so she thinks Daddy is fully employed. That’s why I better find something before she wises up.

    Bottom line, I think you just uttered some chauvinistic crap that even you don’t believe, With the general exception of physical strength, women can do ANYTHING a man can do and in the 21st century they know it … and they damn well want to get paid the same wages for it too,

  70. And quite frankly I am offended by Christians who do not see the common thread among all religions and who make Islam evil rather than seeing it as a cautionary tale for all religious fanaticism.

    I’m offended you take the sins of religious fanatics, of whom virtually all are Muslim, and somehow extrapolate a common theme to fanaticism and murder of all faiths. You’re a Christian bigot Rutherford and a frickin’ hypocrite being you are the benefactor of much Christian, including medicine – a real chicken shit punk on par with the Revolting Puke.

    But since you insist on parallels, I’ll try one on.

    There is an element to all religion that asks its followers to abandon critical reason and to act on faith. We are now seeing what happens when a man’s faith tells him that he must blow up a plane.

    There is an element to all the irreligous, Timothy McVeigh being one, that asked its followers to abandon God and to act on their own critical reasoning. We saw what happened in Oklahoma City when a man’s own critical reasoning tells him he must blow up a federal building, killing numerous babies in the process.

    Kiss my ass…

  71. For the record I also think Napolitano should resign. I am not saying this as a conservative but rather as a citizen that flies over 150 thousand miles a year. She is an apologist for bureaucracy and political correctness and Obama should replace her. Quite frankly I think Hilliary Clinton would make a much better DHS Secretary. I also think someone like Joe Lieberman would be extremely effective.

    One of the failures of the Obama administration is having a high turnover rate. Republicans cry foul on any person whether it’s exaggerating or taking people out of context and suddenly Obama fires them. Nothing she did requires resignation, I don’t see it happening anyways. Though I agree that Hillary would have made a better DHS. Joe Lieberman shouldn’t be anywhere near a higher office. Before knowing all the facts he talked about “preemptive action” in Yemen.

  72. When you are the last line of defense – well there sure as f wasn’t any defense.

    I wonder if Sully Sullenberger would have kicked the guy in the balls?

    BaldMan, welcome to the blog! I fully agree with your assessment regarding line of defense. As for Sully, I think he would’ve known exactly how to handle the situation. 🙂

  73. As you know, I am presently underemployed. If I strutted around my house claiming to be the “head of the household” I’d get my ass kicked so hard a proctologist would have to go looking for my wife’s shoe.

    What a crock of shit. I’m not even employed since I quit medical school, my wife is the sole bread winner and my kids recognize it a hell of a lot more than a five year old does, I sit on my ass happily as my wife works, and my kids still see me as “head of household.” We can’t help it you’re a wimp who can’t handle women. Lift weights or something, poontang and quit being a wimp. 😛

  74. The only thing dumber than arguing about religion with a Christian is arguing about religion with a Christian lawyer. If you weren’t a conservative, I’d swear you advised Bill Clinton to say “that depends on what the meaning of is is”.

    The only thing dumber than bothering to cite formal definitions to prove that one word really doesn’t mean the same thng as the other is doing it for someone who wants to believe in a “Living, breathing Constitution” when no such thing exists, its principal authors have said as much in their own writings, and nothing exists in the body of the text itself to support the foolish notion that it says whatever the party in power wants it to say.

    Religion (all religion) demands of its followers 1) faith, 2) submission and 3) worship. This is a very dangerous cocktail in the wrong hands. This is why David Koresh, and Jim Jones and abortion-doctor-killers are dangerous as hell and also why Abdulmutallab is dangerous as hell. There is an element to all religion that asks its followers to abandon critical reason and to act on faith. We are now seeing what happens when a man’s faith tells him that he must blow up a plane. And quite frankly I am offended by Christians who do not see the common thread among all religions and who make Islam evil rather than seeing it as a cautionary tale for all religious fanaticism.

    Christianity, unlike Islam does not require its followers to kill other people in order to gain the Kingdom of Heaven. It doesn’t demand that former followers be killed for abandoning the faith, and when you hear about someone hijacking a plane, or taking hostages on cruise ships and killing them, or wandering into crowds and detonating themselves, Christians aren’t the first people to come to mind as the potental perpetrator. And frankly, I am offended that people who want to pin their hopes, aspirations, and dreams on a man, and one who’s only real stand of record was in favor of legalized murder at that, has the gall to proclaim from their potent stew of ignorance and prejudice that Christianity is as dangerous as Islam because some indivduals have subverted scripture to their own ends to build a following among the weak-minded and easily led. Can you not see the parallel here to your very own Chicago messiah? Do you not see that the man you have hitched your wagon to is the same as the “christian” figures you so lustily condemn?

    Any reliance on man alone is doomed, Rutherford, because it will always descend into rule of man, rather than rule of law. That’s why every humanist paradise ever brought into being on ths planet by the hands of man has ended up growing in corruption and tyranny of human potential until it collapses under the weight of what man had wrought.

  75. There is an element to all the irreligous, Timothy McVeigh being one

    Tex, McVeigh’s religious beliefs are murky at best. He claimed in a letter to be agnostic but told Time magazine he believed in “a God”. And let’s not forget that one of the things that inspired his act of violence was Waco — religious nutjob David Koresh.

    But hey, I would never claim that religion alone inspires poor behavior. In fact a sane worshiper could get a sense of selflessness from religion, an understanding of how he fits into a larger scheme of things that perhaps makes him think more of his fellow man before he acts like an asshat. I would fully understand the argument that someone who thinks the world revolves around him (and no true believer in God could feel that way) risks underestimating his effect on others.

    Tex, it is by some cosmic bit of luck that you were born a Christian. How I wish you could live in a peaceful Muslim’s shoes and then engage in this argument.

  76. Lift weights or something, poontang and quit being a wimp. 😛

    LOL ok .,… I’m Alan Alda and you’re Harry Morgan (Hawkeye Pierce and Col Potter in case you’re not getting my M*A*S*H analogy) 🙂

  77. Before knowing all the facts he talked about “preemptive action” in Yemen.

    LOL Sensico that was a hoot! First just on the face ot it, he self contradicted basically saying we should war with them BEFORE we war with them. Then on the facts, he’s fuzzy since we are already taking limited military action in Yemen.

    Joe is indeed a piece of work.

    As for Janet, I’m not nearly as forgiving on this one as you are. Resignation might be a bit much but I sure hope Obama gave her a call from Hawaii and told her “think next time you open your mouth, you’re not a State Governor anymore.”

  78. Tex, it is by some cosmic bit of luck that you were born a Christian. How I wish you could live in a peaceful Muslim’s shoes and then engage in this argument.

    Me too. Watching him try not to explain the reason for the lack of outrage and condemnation of the acts of the “radicals” would undoubtedly be entertaining.

  79. Hey Pawn, if you read this I challenge you to a debate …

    ROTFLMAO 😆 😆 😆

    What is it about my blog that folks come here to trash other people’s blogs? First it was against Sensico a couple of weeks ago … at least she stops by and can read the criticism. But Revolting Pawn! ??? Tex I seriously doubt he will see your “challenge”.

    By the way, the reason his link updated in the WPPBA page was that he did an update on Sarah Palin. 🙂 Good to see him bloggin again. It’s so lonely being one of only three libs around here (including Sensico and Curator).

  80. Rutherford, your weird obsession with constantly reminding us that all religion is equally capable of radicalization is a real yawner.

    Yes, R.

    Very insightful.

    There have been radical Christians before.

    But you act as if all religions are equally prone to be radical.

    That’s just silly, dude.

    Face the facts and grow the fuck up. Islam is incomparable to Christianity in the year 2010. The main reason for this is found in it’s very theology, theology that is absent in Christianity.

    I’m not even sure if you disagree with what I said. So skip your politically correct bull shit.

    We’re not at Harvard or some pretentious liberal coffee shop.

    It’s the internet.

    You can just be honest here.

    As for Lieberman on Yemen, the guy is right. We need to get much more “preemptive” there. You guys mock him as I guarantee another Al Queda plot is being cooked there as we speak.

    Message to liberals: We have been, we are and we will be at WAR with savages who want to nuke us. Your so called cerebral president, well versed in the wonders of other cultures, doesn’t change that.

    I found it very telling that one of Rutherford’s first responses to the terrorist attack on Christmas was, “damn, this is bad for my team”.

    Get over your team.

  81. Me too. Watching him try not to explain the reason for the lack of outrage and condemnation of the acts of the “radicals” would undoubtedly be entertaining.

    Seriously BiW, I think this is where we have some small amount of common ground. I saw a woman (Irshad Manji of NYU) on MSNBC’s Hardball today who was talking about how “reform minded” Muslims must speak out against radical Muslims and silent “moderate” Muslims. And I was waiting for Chris Matthews to ask her “where the hell are these reform minded Muslims?” Of course he didn’t. This is the crux of the problem.

    I refuse to accept that there are not decent Muslims so I need to understand why they don’t speak out en masse against this savagery.

  82. You guys mock him as I guarantee another Al Queda plot is being cooked there as we speak.

    Rabbit, what the GI Joe obsessed don’t understand is Al Qaeda is everywhere. I am telling you, this is f*cking organized crime wrapped in religious fanaticism and as long as we view this purely from a military perspective, we are gonna be at war forever and lots of young boys and girls are gonna die.

    I’ve said before that this is a law enforcement issue. OK … let me retract that. This is an intelligence issue. This is about having good spies on the ground who can tell local police in our allied countries who to go arrest. Yemen is an ally of ours if I’m not mistaken. They barely have a government … they look like son-of-Afghanistan but they are still our friend. We need spies infiltrating these cells and tipping the local police and military to go kick some ass.

    We didn’t need to drop any bombs to stop Abdulmutallab. We just needed some good intelligence to keep the mofo from getting on a plane … or better yet … to prove what he was plotting and arrest him for it.

  83. Because that law enforcement mentality we have on organized crime is really winning the day. I mean, organized crime is virtually wiped out, right? 😉

    Cop out to put this on the intel communities back. We provided the data, the knuckle draggers fucked up the execution.

    And explain this to me, how does a guy who gets reported to the State department by his FATHER for radical behavior and who has been REJECTED from returning to the UK, get a 10 year multiple visit visa to the US? As much fun as it is to kick Napolitano in the balls ( I do believe she is packing- she certainly wears comfortable shoes), why are we not shining a light on Hillary and the State department for giving this idiot the green light to come?

    Yeah, pick Hillary for DHS, she’s just another idiot-in-waiting to kill a few hu8ndred folks or so through incompetence.

    And by the by, why did it take the almighty O three days to say something substantial on this?

  84. Tex, McVeigh’s religious beliefs are murky at best. He claimed in a letter to be agnostic but told Time magazine he believed in “a God”. And let’s not forget that one of the things that inspired his act of violence was Waco — religious nutjob David Koresh.

    Don’t know about the Time (lib) magazine article, as I only use that rag to start logs if one happens to be laying around. But this McVeigh argument is subject I do know being that I was there at the site soon thereafter “R”.

    McVeigh was raised in a Catholic home but rejected his faith before joining the military. During his last weeks, he confessed according to the local paper that he didn’t believe in a God – in fact, he was quite insistent. That is not agnostic. However, sometime between his last meal and his last ticket, he somehow “got religion” and asked for last rites. Even the toughest will break at the end “R”.

    I’m glad you got my joke Wimpy. Like Chen, I have to give you credit for one thing. Every bullet I fire at your useless head manages to bounce off, no matter the caliber. That is what I like about you – that like me, you don’t seem to take yourself too seriously.

    But concerning your comment Rutherford about being born into a faith. I have taken the time to measure the great religions of the world being I know with all my heart there is a Creator. I know much about Judaism, some about Islam, Hindu and Buddhism which I have read and studied to a small degree. While Judaism would be the basic tenet of my faith, I find it incomplete. The others are either unappealing or farcical in my opinion; Islam, with its impersonal allah being the most unappealing of the bunch.

    If I were born Islam, I am convinced I would have rejected its message, being that Allah is very unappealing, without mercy or compassion, and founded on the word of one man. You can’t say that about Christianity.

  85. “If I were born Islam, I am convinced I would have rejected its message, being that Allah is very unappealing, without mercy or compassion, and founded on the word of one man. You can’t say that about Christianity.”– Tex

    And then you would have been summarily executed. 🙂

  86. This morning information has now come to light that our intelligence apparatus was aware well in advance of the plans al-Qaeda had made to attempt the bombing of a U.S.-bound flight (including the fact that the protagonist would be a Nigerian), but failed to disseminate and integrate this information into our security system.

    The President now openly admits a potentially “catastrophic” failure of the “system”, but fails to take any meaningful action (as usual) including the firing of an obviously ineffective Secretary of Homeland Security.

    It is past time to take off the gloves and begin fighting back against an enemy whose purpose in life is destroy Western civilization. Unfortunately, we lack the leadership to react meaningfully.

  87. While I’m not laughing about America just avoiding 300 passengers plus a Detroit neighborhood being torched, I do have to admit at the end of the first year of “Hope and Change”, it is fitting for this arrogant and lying administration to demonstrate once again how miserable a failure they have been in their first year. Hard to imagine there has ever been a more unsuccessful first year of a new Presidency in the annuls of American history.

    Give yourself an A+ for your chutzpah about your accomplishment Obama, but you ain’t fooling most people now chump. This is the 2nd time one of your most important hand chosen appointees has been admonished to completely backtrack on moronic statements in less than eight months.

    We aren’t going to let you forget President Audacity about the report “Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment” that focused on returning military vets and those who oppose abortion, gun control, lax immigration laws.

    Big Brother Obama, you have no problem referencing McVeigh’s extremism as example of one of 42MM Vets in the U.S. to justify domestic terrorism language, but can’t bring yourself to say “Muslim” extremists? You sir are a frickin’ coward, shameless liar and gutless hypocrite.

    If 2009 showed us anything as a country, it is the idea that playing nice with dialogue as your weapon of choice is the last thing that works in combating terror. Obama, you are a disgrace and an idiot. Go back to your community service, because you ain’t cutting it as a leader.

  88. Tex said:

    “Go back to your community service, because you ain’t cutting it as a leader.”

    That is an incorrect statement. He will be UN Secretary General next so that he can demonstrate to the whole world how impotent he is with a completely impotent organization THAT is a complete carrot AND ONLY has a stick when it comes to the force and might of the US Military.

    Otherwise, I agree wholeheartedly – I took personal offense at the Homeland Security report when it came out and now take even more offense, when this now nutless Nigerian tries to blow us up and we hear “the system worked”.

  89. BaldMan,

    Scary thought and one that wouldn’t surprise me. But a perfect fit for the perfectly incompetent President. Why screw up America when there’s a whole world out there to mismanage and ruin? 😛

    I have always been of the belief this Narcissist as President thought himself above the Presidency. Obama pictures himself as savior of the world – when in reality, he can’t save the hood he resided over in Illinois. Obama is beyond the typical Washington incompetence and arrogance. The man is dangerous and hopelessly over his head.

  90. I took personal offense at the Homeland Security report when it came out and now take even more offense, when this now nutless Nigerian tries to blow us up and we hear “the system worked”.

    I dunno. When the Keystone Kleptocrats of this administration decided to declare that Americans who have fought for this country were a threat to America, I think it revealed all that anyone needs to know about this group of “social justice” seekers, and wealth redistributors.

  91. Rutherford,

    I’ve been reminded once again why I think you should be on the Obama cabinet instead of Ms. Janet Incompetento. You were ahead of the curve on this one.

    You recognized before I did how incompetent this would make the Oblammo Administration once again look – another huckster in a cabinet position reflecting on the Community Organizer/ACORN aficionado.

    A tip of the cap for covering ass quickly. They really do need your employment – and you certainly couldn’t do worse in any regard. 😛

  92. Fucken air bus almost blows up over my head right smack dab in the middle of Christmas dinner by a murderous bomb wielding foreign enemy and my own President doesn’t even acknowledge it for 3 days.

    Nice.

    Sorry for repeating myself in dramatic fashion, but the reality of what happened trips me out.

    I’m not one of these guys pissed that Obama didn’t return instantly from Hawaii. It’s the information revolution. He has everything he needs at has disposal.

    But for the love of God, lead for once.

  93. What was the first message given to us from the administration after the attack? Everything worked perfectly.

    Again…sorry for repeating myself. Just turning this over in my mind.

    I’m floored.

  94. I am 100% convinced we are going to get slaughtered in the next 3 years.

    They can’t even stop Al Queda members who give power points to the army about hating the West and jihad.

    They have consistently played down both events and the concept of the any kind of foreign threat.

    They are more interested in making Cheney look bad then protecting America.

    The upshot will be 10,000 plus dead Americans. You watch.

    We’re fucked.

  95. “The system worked,” Napolitano declared on CNN during questioning about the lapses that let Abdulmutallab and his devices onto the plane. Gibbs used nearly the same language on CBS, saying that “in many ways, this system has worked,” without elaborating.

    Gibbs said the system worked too? I didn’t know that. Holy shit.

  96. DR,

    Maybe its time to switch to decaf?

    I can’t even work up a good mad for these clowns anymore. I love how R can be worried about the Americans killed in the war on terror, but doesn’t give a thought to the ones who will be killed because the government is still looking for ways not to join a battle that has already been engaged.

  97. One thing is for sure. I am slowly becoming less and less articulate every day. I make that dunce sensico look smart. My thoughts are less complex, my lexicon less sophisticated.

  98. Can I say it better about the incompetence of Big O than Maureen Dowd?

    We seemed to still be behind the curve and reactive, patting down grannies and 5-year-olds, confiscating snow globes and lip glosses.

    Instead of modernity, we have airports where security is so retro that taking away pillows and blankies and bathroom breaks counts as a great leap forward.

    If we can’t catch a Nigerian with a powerful explosive powder in his oddly feminine-looking underpants and a syringe full of acid, a man whose own father had alerted the U.S. Embassy in Nigeria, a traveler whose ticket was paid for in cash and who didn’t check bags, whose visa renewal had been denied by the British, who had studied Arabic in Al Qaeda sanctuary Yemen, whose name was on a counterterrorism watch list, who can we catch?

    We are headed toward the moment when screeners will watch watch-listers sashay through while we have to come to the airport in hospital gowns, flapping open in the back.

    In a rare bipartisan success, House members tried to prevent the Transportation Security Administration from implementing full-body imaging as a screening tool at airports.

    I’m sorry. I haven’t had this much fun mocking a politician since we hanged Saddam.

  99. With apologies to Don Knotts, who was both talented and funny, I feel required now to refer to Barack, not as Barry, but as in Barney.

    As in President Barney Fife.

  100. The more I read on this, the more convinced I am that the “wall” is back, preventing intel from talking to law enforcement.

    We don’t need a directive to make that happen, just the mentality, which Obama is enforcing daily.

  101. BIC,

    I wish Rutherford would end the year with a Top 10 list of President Blammo’s greatest accomplishments…

    Breaking a 100 on the greens with one mulligan per hole doesn’t count.

  102. This just gives me a warm and fuzzy! 😉

    “The good news for Senator Ben Nelson is that he doesn’t have to face Nebraska voters until 2012.

    If Governor Dave Heineman challenges Nelson for the Senate job, a new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey shows the Republican would get 61% of the vote while Nelson would get just 30%. Nelson was reelected to a second Senate term in 2006 with 64% of the vote.

    Nelson’s health care vote is clearly dragging his numbers down. Just 17% of Nebraska voters approve of the deal their senator made on Medicaid in exchange for his vote in support of the plan. Overall, 64% oppose the health care legislation, including 53% who are Strongly Opposed. In Nebraska, opposition is even stronger than it is nationally. ”
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2012/nebraska/election_2012_nebraska_senate

  103. One of my favorite pastimes is to dream about when our old friend Rutherford comes back from a hard day’s work (or whatever he’s doing to entertain himself throughout the afternoon) to find and read twenty smacks upside Obama & Co.’s hollow head plastered upon his blog. 😆

    I like to imagine the wrinkle in Rutherford’s brow and the sound of wailing and gnashing of teeth when he reads and shakes his head while typing the responses to answer. I say he’s chuckling when doing so, truth be known.

  104. It’s Ok, Tex. I got your number, and you can expect a visit from some of my people in the near future.

    Editor’s note: I don’t know which joker posted this and normally I’d delete it, but I felt a chuckle couldn’t hurt the thread.

  105. “Breaking a 100 on the greens with one mulligan per hole doesn’t count.”

    It doesn’t?

    Anyone want to buy some left handed clubs?
    ____________________________________________
    I think I’ve figured out why I’m becoming progressively dumber.
    I can’t multi-task.

    The baby is very active. He can’t walk or crawl yet obviously.

    But he demands that you do.

    Sitting down on the recliner is unacceptable with Bronson. He wants to play, play, play.

    He’s constantly wrestling, squirming, spitting up, laughing and wrestling some more. After two hours, he’s screaming bloody murder for some tit action.

    Naps are few and far between.

    Toys frustrate him. Books piss him off.

    I always thought 4 month old babies like to snuggle and be rocked.

    Wrong.

    I’ve had the last week off and have been at home with him all day.

    It aint easy.

  106. “You know, something unitentionally humorous, like “2009: The Year Obama Started Healing the Holes in Our Souls”, or something like that.” -BiW

    LOL. Oh, you know some sweet, syrupy and cloying demagoguery is coming our way.

    I’m not sure I can read about another Rutherford boner for Obama.

    The good news is many Democrats are done with that shit. I know here in Detroit Obama has major problems with organized labor types.

    Detroit Dems aren’t of the pantie waste liberal variety. We are literally home to the famous Ronnie R Democrats. We love our country in these parts and are some nationalistic motherfuckers. We cheered like maniacs in theaters when Stallone defeated that Russian in Rocky IV. This foolish shit with giving Al Queda the rights of American citizens and acting like a plane blowing up in our sky is no biggie is not jiving well here at all.

    People here are starting to hate Obama.

  107. “The more I read on this, the more convinced I am that the “wall” is back, preventing intel from talking to law enforcement.”-Gorillia

    Honestly, I’m not sure that the wall was ever really down, even in the post 9/11 Bush years.

    The difference now is that we are being led by PC puss-wads. This further makes an already inefficient system infected with a culture of naivete. Plus, the kick ass die hards in the trenches have to watch their back, now.

  108. No, DR, we had some serious cross coordination post 9/11, but then they got big gov on us and threw together the DHS- HQ for the Keystone Cops. Most of these folks couldn’t find their ass in a wet paper bag. The worst is that now we’ve federalized what use to be idiot at the state level who thought it practical to have patrolling officers wear BDUs. WTF? The last thing we need is Barney Fife thinking he’s ‘tactical’.

    Here’s a simple plan, intel calls the FBI and the FBI clues in the locals. We don’t need fucking committees to discuss the virtues or vertical organizational information flow through federal law enforcement against asymmetric warfare. Just the facts please…

  109. … but fails to take any meaningful action (as usual) including the firing of an obviously ineffective Secretary of Homeland Security.

    Maine, welcome to the blog. While Napolitano made a fool of herself over the weekend, my understanding is that the head of National Intelligence (Dennis Blair) and the head of the CIA, Leon Panetta fight like little boys. I say one of them should go before we nuke Janet.

  110. A tip of the cap for covering ass quickly. They really do need your employment – and you certainly couldn’t do worse in any regard. 😛

    LOL I’ll take any compliment where I can get it. 🙂 There have been times when the Obama admin has been tone deaf and yes, I actually could help them with that. Shame they don’t have a job for me. 😉

  111. Oh and apparently Scott blames Obama for the economy. And he has the nerve to call anyone else an idiot.

    Yeah, how silly to think that someone who said give me a ginormous stimulus bill that stimulates nothing but the hangers-on to a graft pipeline and unemployment won’t go higher than 8 percent now OWNS the economy when he got exactly what he asked for.

    Please don’t beat the “I inherited this ______ from Bush” drum. Your Chicago Messiah campaigned for the job and got his solutions. He needs to man up and own it.

  112. LOL I’ll take any compliment where I can get it. There have been times when the Obama admin has been tone deaf and yes, I actually could help them with that. Shame they don’t have a job for me.

    Get a job with ACORN and go on record extolling the virtues of wealth redistribution. I’m sure they’ll find a place for you.

  113. my own President doesn’t even acknowledge it for 3 days.

    Rabbit, pull your head out of the friggin Fox News echo chamber. Bush took at least six days to make a statement about the shoe bomber in 2001. Save it dude.

  114. Rabbit, pull your head out of the friggin Fox News echo chamber. Bush took at least six days to make a statement about the shoe bomber in 2001. Save it dude.

    You’re right…and wrong. Obama’s problem is as much about what he projects as what he says. Compare and contrast the timing and tone of his reaction to Tiller’s murder with that of the murder of the Army recruiters a week(?) before by one of those muslim “extremists” in Arkansas. Or the murders at Ft. Hood.

    One was a national disgrace and tragedy, the others…not so much. At least to hear Teh Won™ tell it.

  115. They are more interested in making Cheney look bad then protecting America.

    Cheney is more interested in making Obama look bad and saving his own war criminal reputation than protecting America.

    Cheney is a prick who needs to go back to Wisconsin or wherever he’s from, drink a few brewskies and retire. He had his chance. He f*cked up royally. Now shut the f*ck up and let the next admin do their thing. (And Politico needs to stop asking him his goddam opinion. We don’t CARE about his opinion.)

    We have a dispersed enemy intent on our destruction and as long as we rely on no-blanket-on-lap-no-bathroom-break-in-the-last-hour-of-flight solutions …. or purely military solutions, then Rabbit, you’re damn right. Civilians here are going to die. And it doesn’t matter whose watch it is. The 9/11 bombers and the shoe bomber hoodwinked Bush. Abdulmutallab hoodwinked Obama. This is a friggin international problem which will not be controlled without international intelligence and cooperation.

    While the GOP politicizes this, the clock is ticking.

  116. …but doesn’t give a thought to the ones who will be killed because the government is still looking for ways not to join a battle that has already been engaged.

    BiW, have you lost your mind? We’re already fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, and we’ve got stuff going on in Yemen on the down-low. How many countries do you want to invade? Are you ready to institute the draft? I am telling you, if you want to send soldiers to every country harboring terrorist cells, you’re gonna need more than a volunteer army.

    I’m also interested to know if you’re ready for a religious war? Cos that is where we are headed. We’ve already acknowledged that radical Muslims are the common denominator for all this. You ready for a 21st century religious war?

  117. This is a friggin international problem which will not be controlled without international intelligence and cooperation.

    Did you learn ANY history while you were in school? I mean real history, not the “America Bad, Rest of World Good” tripe currently in vogue on the indoctrination campii across the nation that used to be institutions of higher learning. This isn’t the first time that the West has clashed with Islam, or even the first time this nation has clashed with Islam, but this is likely to be the first time we lose to it because our preoccupation with the opinion of nations that are jealous of our success and the fweeings of the world community.

  118. Can I say it better about the incompetence of Big O than Maureen Dowd?

    She’s not talking about Obama, you conservative hack. She’s talking about a broken security system, put together I might remind you, by the George Bush administration in reaction to 9/11.

    Yes, we do act reactively. As one pundit put it, we always fight yesterday’s attack (i.e. no blankies) instead of figuring out how to stop tomorrow’s attack.

    Let’s talk solutions instead of enjoying the senseless Obama-bashing.

    I’ll start:

    Henceforth, visa applications must be crossed checked internationally and anyone denied a visa in any other country will be automatically denied one here. (As you probably know, Hotpants got denied a visa in Great Britain but had one here.)

  119. Undoubtedly Rutherford, a lot of people do care about Dick Cheney’s opinion, or Politico and many others wouldn’t be picking up on Dick’s word.

    The real truth is Rutherford, Dick Cheney is now far more popular than he was even 12 months ago. Three guesses as to why.

    —————————————-

    Rabbit, 😆

    Man, I told you five months or so ago your life would never be the same again. Sleep deprived, helpless feelingd, there are no set of instructions to raise a kid as everyone of them are different from the moment they take the first unassisted breath.

    I will tell you this much from experience if you get lucky enough to have good kids like mine (thanks to their wonderful mom). You get old like me, around 20 they become a world of help. This afternoon, my oldest was showing me how to operate the Blue Ray. 😛 It is so much easier to act dumb and let people do things for you, it almost makes me feel like a liberal.

  120. I’m waiting for R’s year-end extravaganza.

    You’ll be surprised by my year-end assessment of Obama (currently being composed as we speak). Of course, you won’t necessarily be surprised in a good way. 😉

  121. BiW, have you lost your mind? We’re already fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, and we’ve got stuff going on in Yemen on the down-low. How many countries do you want to invade? Are you ready to institute the draft? I am telling you, if you want to send soldiers to every country harboring terrorist cells, you’re gonna need more than a volunteer army.

    I’m ready to take the leash off and quit micromanaging the people whose job it is to fight. History teaches several important lessons with regard to Islam. They exploit weakness, they prefer soft targets, and if given a choice, they will always choose to make their war on the weak rather than those equipped to a stand-up, toe-to-toe fight.

    TAKE THE FIGHT TO THEM. Hit them until they can’t get back up. Make it clear that supporting them and the things they do have consequences. Follow the Money TRAILS. Publicize them and ostracize their supporters…especially the Saudis, ’cause I don’t think ANY administration in decades has seen them for what they are. Is it going to have adverse consequences? Hell yes, but we can mitigate them. Drill here, drill now. Build new refineries. Clear the NIMBY red tape and start building nuclear plants to meet energy needs so we aren’t dependent on them, and so if the worst happens, and they force us to turn the sand to glass, we can still keep the damn lights on.

    I’m also interested to know if you’re ready for a religious war? Cos that is where we are headed. We’ve already acknowledged that radical Muslims are the common denominator for all this. You ready for a 21st century religious war?

    We are already in one, whether you and every other lib in this country choose to ignore it or not. You have a proclivity to lump all religions together, but the fact is they aren’t all created equal, virginia, and the rest of them don’t require their followers to make war on unbelievers simply because they are unbelievers, but we recognize a season for it, including times when it is brought to us.

  122. Rutherford,

    She’s not talking about Obama, you conservative hack. She’s talking about a broken security system, put together I might remind you, by the George Bush administration in reaction to 9/11.

    😆 You liberal ball sucking, rim ribbing Obama shill. WTH? The frickin title of the Maureen Dowd column is:

    As the Nation’s Pulse Races, Obama Can’t Seem to Find His

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/30/opinion/30dowd.html?_r=1&ref=instapundit

    You do need to be assigned immediately to Rahm Emanuel for service. You’ll fit right in you dolt.

  123. We don’t need a directive to make that happen, just the mentality, which Obama is enforcing daily.

    Spoken by someone who’s never worked in corporate America. Sorry G, our government is not the military where top down orders enforce a “mentality”. Our gov works more like a corporation where division fights with division and bureaucracy rules the day.

    The first thing Obama needs to do is get Panetta and Blair to play nice with each other. This has nothing to do with mentality, it has to do with good corporate leadership.

  124. He’s constantly wrestling, squirming, spitting up, laughing and wrestling some more. After two hours, he’s screaming bloody murder for some tit action.

    Mmmmm, sounds a bit like Tex. 😀

  125. You’ll be surprised by my year-end assessment of Obama (currently being composed as we speak). Of course, you won’t necessarily be surprised in a good way.

    No amount of you brushing your teeth with his member could surprise me now, and I’ve already prepared and posted my antidote, so fire away, baby! 🙂

    *jams atropine syringe into leg*

  126. I always thought 4 month old babies like to snuggle and be rocked.

    Hey Rabbit, whose kid is he? Do you like to rock or be rocked? Chip off the old block I’d say. 😉

  127. I’ve got an idea for security and easy instructions for the TSA. I work under the Keep it Simple Stupid for libs so that even they may understand. No more shoe hassles, body cavity searches, molestation from fat boys who couldn’t chase down a slug. Here’s how it works.

    You enter the airport and obtain your ticket. You are asked two questions:

    (1) Are you Muslim? If you answer YES, you go to line #2 reserved exclusively for Muslims. If you answer no, you are asked a second question. Do you condemn Mohammad as a pagan pedophile, believe Hamas is worthy of death, and do you think Islam is morally and spiritually bankrupt terrorism? If you answer YES, you go to line #1 for infidels. If you answer NO, you go to line #2 reserved for Muslims.

    Line #1is responsible for laying all carry on luggage to be scanned and you enter the X-Ray machine like pre 9/11.

    Line #2 entitles the TSA to all rights exclusive to body cavity searches, ball busting, titty groping, hair combing, wan scanning, inappropriate molestation – all at gun point. And you better allow it with a smile.

    See how easy it is to make security safe? 😉

  128. … likely to be the first time we lose to it because our preoccupation with the opinion of nations that are jealous of our success and the fweeings of the world community.

    Maybe you don’t understand what I mean by cooperation? I don’t mean buddying up to Islamic states or appeasing anyone. I mean countries sharing intelligence effectively AND countries being willing to act locally when our spies tell them some sh*t may be about to go down.

  129. He’s constantly wrestling, squirming, spitting up, laughing and wrestling some more. After two hours, he’s screaming bloody murder for some tit action.

    I’ve tried all that and more and it stil didn’t get me any titty. It does get me a mop in hand, iron up side the head, or cleaning products with instructions to “get to work and it better sparkle when you’re thru.” 😦

  130. Do you finally have that damn monstrosity of a TV installed yet?

    😆 Well hell yes! You don’t think I would allow my children to come home and eat without putting them to work, do you?

    This downloading NetFlix to your exceptionally large screen is mind boggling technology, I might add!

  131. Maybe you don’t understand what I mean by cooperation? I don’t mean buddying up to Islamic states or appeasing anyone. I mean countries sharing intelligence effectively AND countries being willing to act locally when our spies tell them some sh*t may be about to go down.

    In the best of times, intelligence sharing is a game of giving and getting, and nobody ever lays all their cards on the table. The sad fact is that the people who are the best at it have NO incentive to share what they know with us. The Israelis know better than to trust us with Obama and his appointees controlling the government, and the Russians have every reason to give us bad intel if they give us any. And here at home, the tug of war between the three parties, the Democrats, the Bureaucrats, and Republicans has pretty much ensured that it is about the survival of the various agencies through the politicization of intelligence, so sadly, our own apparatus are of dubious value.

  132. You do need to be assigned immediately to Rahm Emanuel for service. You’ll fit right in you dolt.

    LOL Admittedly responded knowing Dowd’s proclivity to like Obama and taking your quote in isolation. I’ll read her entire article (thanks for the link) but I bet the title is an eye grabber not supported by the full text.

  133. I’ve tried all that and more and it stil didn’t get me any titty. It does get me a mop in hand, iron up side the head, or cleaning products with instructions to “get to work and it better sparkle when you’re thru.”

    Get a job so you make her do it all, and then subjugate her into the bedroom like a good christian head-of-household. Geez. 🙂

  134. This downloading NetFlix to your exceptionally large screen is mind boggling technology, I might add!

    LOL now you’re really sickening me. Our family laptop doesn’t even have a port to connect to the TV, something we’d love for watching stuff on Hulu for example.

    One day I will be rewarded for my tireless work in the liberal cause, and my audio/visual system will be refreshed. 🙂

  135. Whatever happened to the good old days when people hijacked planes either for money or to get somewhere. Those folks were actually interested in staying alive. That crap doesn’t happen anymore.

    Could someone please tell me why the dude in Yemen who “counseled” both Hasan of Fort Hood and Hotpants hasn’t been arrested yet for inciting violence? In my book, he’s a frigging accessory to the crime.

    Oh, and before I go to bed, I just wanted to say how happy I am you boys enjoyed yourselves on the blog this afternoon. Nothing more entertaining than watching a conservative circle-jerk Obama-bashathon. 😀

  136. Get a job so you make her do it all, and then subjugate her into the bedroom like a good christian head-of-household. Geez. 🙂

    Good to see I’ve finally convinced you. See what a few well taken Biblical quotes can do? 😆

  137. “Could someone please tell me why the dude in Yemen who “counseled” both Hasan of Fort Hood and Hotpants hasn’t been arrested yet for inciting violence? In my book, he’s a frigging accessory to the crime.”-R

    Arrested? Kill that motherfucker!

  138. It’s simple, really.

    President Obama unleashes 70 terrorists out of Gitmo to regroup in Yemen and we impeach him.

    The question is do we try him for treason.

  139. “As I’ve watched the events of the last few days it is clear once again that President Obama is trying to pretend we are not at war. He seems to think if he has a low-key response to an attempt to blow up an airliner and kill hundreds of people, we won’t be at war. He seems to think if he gives terrorists the rights of Americans, lets them lawyer up and reads them their Miranda rights, we won’t be at war. He seems to think if we bring the mastermind of Sept. 11 to New York, give him a lawyer and trial in civilian court, we won’t be at war.

    “He seems to think if he closes Guantanamo and releases the hard-core Al Qaeda-trained terrorists still there, we won’t be at war. He seems to think if he gets rid of the words, ‘war on terror,’ we won’t be at war. But we are at war and when President Obama pretends we aren’t, it makes us less safe. Why doesn’t he want to admit we’re at war? It doesn’t fit with the view of the world he brought with him to the Oval Office. It doesn’t fit with what seems to be the goal of his presidency — social transformation — the restructuring of American society. President Obama’s first object and his highest responsibility must be to defend us against an enemy that knows we are at war.”

    -Dick Cheney.

    I agree with this 100%. 100%.

  140. Rabbit, I’ll be posting an article later today with a video that you must watch if you really want to be knowledgeable about the subject and not just spew Fox talking points.

  141. Hey Rutherford, you can belittle my opinions all you want.

    God knows I do it to you enough.

    But, I have not watched even 5 minutes of Fox news in the last 2 weeks. I literally have not even seen Fox news other then the night a fucking plane almost blew up over my head.

    I have gone to Drudge Report a few times. And I have talked to people. Lots of them. Democrats nearly all of them. And guess what, they agree with me.

  142. ” if you really want to be knowledgeable about the subject”-Rutherford

    Bring it on you twisted up, somewhat tanned version of Gilbert Gottfried standing in front of a fucking carnival mirror.

  143. Bring it on you twisted up, somewhat tanned version of Gilbert Gottfried standing in front of a fucking carnival mirror.

    Gilbert Gottfried Lawson! He even sounds like him. 😆

  144. “Spoken by someone who’s never worked in corporate America. “– R

    What? I’m not in the military now and haven’t been for several years. I’m in corporate America now and I’m moving into the gov machine- again- shortly. So I’ve no idea where you’ve gotten the idea that I don’t know how agencies fight with one another. Considering that you’ve never served in the military, let alone been in a war zone- fighting this very enemy- I’m not quite sure what qualifies you to judge this in the first place. 😉

    Happy New Years folks…

  145. BiW said

    No amount of you brushing your teeth with his member could surprise me now, and I’ve already prepared and posted my antidote, so fire away, baby!

    I’m sorry but that is the funniest thing I’ve seen in the New Year.
    R you can’t ever get paid by liberals for your work in the great liberal cause. Liberals are greedy middlemen who f#%@ everything up. Just go to a conservative and get the money.
    As for the law eenforcement approach. It’s a lie and doesn’t work in the large scale areas ala Iraq,Pakistan,Yemen etc. Sure intel and law enforcemnet may have a chance in the “civilized” places ike the UK,Amsterdam and the USA. I’m curious if all the libs screaming along wtih John Liveshot Kerry for law enforcement will switch their positions on FISA and Patriot Act now?

  146. I’m sorry but that is the funniest thing I’ve seen in the New Year.

    I lied. Its actually much worse than that. You know the real reason Teh Won™ has been so crabby lately is that he and Michelle just don’t get any quality “alone” time together. She can’t ever get Chrissy Maffews and the rest of the press corps away from O’s crotch long enough to get in there herself.

  147. It’s a lie and doesn’t work in the large scale areas ala Iraq,Pakistan,Yemen etc.

    You make a statement without supporting analysis. Let’s assume you’re right that within Iraq, Pakistan, etc, we can’t be effective, who cares? We don’t want them crashing planes here. We don’t want them shooting people here. We needed to make sure local law enforcement did what needed to be done with Hasan based on what we knew about him, before he shot up Fort Hood. Hotpants didn’t get on a plane in Yemen. He got on a plane in Amsterdam. He should have been stopped. And all the soldiers in the world wouldn’t have stopped Hasan or Hotpants. It’s intelligence + law enforcement, plain and simple.

    You don’t seem to understand there is no enemy for our army to fight. This is a distributed network of “warriors” if you must use war terminology. You cannot fight a conventional war against them. Even Gorilla when push comes to shove, admits this.

  148. Considering that you’ve never served in the military, let alone been in a war zone- fighting this very enemy- I’m not quite sure what qualifies you to judge this in the first place.

    Valid point except that you, having been in a war zone, have already admitted that we are not in a conventional war. Yet, I don’t see us employing unconventional techniques. We’re still sending lots of soldiers overseas to die.

    If I’m not mistaken December was the first month since we started where there were no combat deaths in Iraq. Now the death toll comes from Afghanistan. I originally supported the notion of Afghanistan being the “good” war. Now, I’m not so sure for reasons I’ve stated elsewhere.

  149. Regarding 177, BiW this sounds more like Sarah Palin who cut short her vacation in a hissy fit because reporters bothered her. Of course crossing McCain’s name off her visor didn’t help any.

    LOL it’s kinda funny …. Sarah even quits on her vacations! 🙂

  150. Rutherford you’re really starting to piss me off with your entrenched liberal obama bullshit. You call people out on the carpet for things you live off of .
    Supporting analysis??? Are you fucking kidding me? It’s a fact that in the war zone areas you are simply incapable of trying to play US Marshall. In my comment I made the point that in a place like Amsterdam law enforcement tactics could play. It was a failure of law enforcement on three continents and four countries that saw the recent bomb attempt.
    Get of your high horse.

  151. “Valid point except that you, having been in a war zone, have already admitted that we are not in a conventional war. Yet, I don’t see us employing unconventional techniques. We’re still sending lots of soldiers overseas to die.”– R

    ?

    Really? Working with tribes and former insurgents isn’t unconventional?

    You know, it is comments like these that truly demonstrate the enormous and complete lack of understanding that you have for Iraq specifically and National Security in general.

    This is a Sensico comment without the ‘shoe in mouth’ flash. You’re just plain ignorant.

  152. You know how Rutherford likes to use MSNBC and the Huffington Post as sources?

    If you’re interested in what qualifies as professional opinion and journalism at Huffington Post, read this very short post to see how morally repugnant The Huffington Post really is. A little “footnote” about Senator Teddy Kennedy, whom the author calls America’s greatest Senator.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/melissa-lafsky/the-footnote-speaks-what_b_270298.html

    This is what qualifies for a writer for PuffHo. We should remind continually Mr. Lawson the quality of people he uses to formulate his opinions next time he blathers on with the platitudes of the Republican party in the sanctimonious tone of leftyville.

    Idiot Ariana doesn’t have the good sense to remove it.

  153. If you’re interested in what qualifies as professional opinion and journalism at Huffington Post

    Here’s the problem Tex. She isn’t identified as a “journalist”. She’s identified as an ex-lawyer, writer and blogger. So, she can write any opinion piece she wants. And HuffPo can print it with the same shamelessness that the WashPo publishes Sarah Palin’s ghost-written drivel or Politico publishes the hate-speech of the Dick, Cheney.

    You also seem to overlook the tone of the article which clearly highlights an overblown view of Ted Kennedy. She correctly points out (as I believe I did in a prior article) what a contradiction this man was.

    I will agree with you on one thing. The idea that Mary Jo Kopechne would have gladly given her life so that Kennedy could become a “great Senator” is one sick crazy idea. That’s where the author goes off the deep end.

  154. Working with tribes and former insurgents isn’t unconventional?

    G, you have a point. I guess I just assumed this was not your preferred method of battle. You impressed me more as the “kill every last one of them” type. I apologize if I misread your war philosophy.

  155. It was a failure of law enforcement on three continents and four countries that saw the recent bomb attempt.
    Get of your high horse.

    If law enforcement fails on three continents, you fix the law enforcement … you don’t use war as a proxy for effective law enforcement.

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