The Only Decent Solution to the Muslim Problem

When Nidal Malik Hasan, a military psychiatrist allegedly opened fire on his fellow soldiers at Fort Hood last week, it opened another chapter in the ongoing saga of whether or not Islam is a threat to civilized society. One of the most compelling arguments against Islam has been the assertion that no Muslim ever publicly condemns religious based violence. So I was eager to find some condemnation in the wake of the Fort Hood massacre. First, I saw a headline in the Huffington Post that gave me hope:

Muslim, Arab Groups Condemn Fort Hood Shooting, Brace For Backlash

Alas, the article was more about Muslim groups preparing for backlash than it was about them delivering an unqualified condemnation. Then on MSNBC’s “Hardball” there was an interview with the national director of the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), Nihad Awad. The interview almost immediately descended into defensiveness and claims of victimhood with any condemnation of the violence being secondary. I was becoming frustrated. I was beginning to despair that the very vocal critics of Islam who frequent my blog were right and I was wrong.

Then on a subsequent edition of MSNBC’s “Hardball”, I hit pay dirt. Chris Matthews’ guest was Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, President of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy. If you can ignore the host’s speechifying and focus on what Dr. Jasser has to say, this clip is well worth watching.

Here are some of the key statements from Jasser that resonated with me:

I will tell you, my parents came here. They taught me. And the reason I joined the military was, this country was able to give my family the protection, the freedom, the liberty to practice our faith like we could nowhere else in the world. …

However, that’s our Islam. There are other forms of Islam that are a threat. And we have to be careful that political correctness is driving us away from protecting ourselves from the enemy within and from the enemy abroad. And there is a political ideology that has masked itself within a theology that I love, but we can’t deny.

It’s time for Muslims to stop complaining and stop being victims, and say, you know, what we have to start within combating, no different than at the time of the American Revolution. They determined that there were Christians that were part of the Church of England, that were enemies of America, and there were Christians that believed in a country based on the Establishment Clause and based on freedom and liberty, that were about what the west was about.

… political Islam has made huge advances, while the West has been asleep against the spread of the, quote unquote, Islamic state movement. And I think clearly there are parts of the ideologies of hate of the West, of America, of conspiracy theories that this guy started to follow that were warning signs. via ‘Hardball with Chris Matthews’ for Monday, November 9 – Hardball with Chris Matthews- msnbc.com.

Without flinching, Dr. Jasser stated that there is a faction within Islam that is indeed dangerous. He confirmed my belief that the answer to our problem is for more Muslims who take messages of love and brotherhood from the Koran and discard the rest, to rise up and oppose the fanatical branch of the religion.

I am no authority on organized religion, nor a particular fan of it. However, history teaches us that reform within a religion is possible. Whether it is the Protestant reformation that strove to drive financial corruption out of the church, or the modern efforts of the Catholic church to wake up to an insidious pedophilia problem or the evolution of Mormonism to reject polygamy as a fundamental cultural phenomenon (albeit under pressure from the US government). There is no reason why Islam cannot be righted by peaceful, law-abiding and outspoken members of that faith.

There are those who want to deport Muslims from this country, stop immigration of Muslims, and essentially outlaw the practice of the religion within the US. Nothing could be more antithetical to the essence of what it is to be an American. The only decent solution to the problems that modern-day Islam presents us is to align ourselves with people like Dr. Jasser to ensure that the peaceful worship of Allah prevails and the barbaric violence of decadent Muslims comes to an end.

For more information on Dr. Jasser’s organization, visit the web site for the American Islamic Forum for Democracy.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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252 thoughts on “The Only Decent Solution to the Muslim Problem

  1. Cut through the fluff and your thesis is the following: ”
    “Muslim’s, clean up your back yard”.

    What if they haven’t? What if they don’t?

    There is a massive religious movement trying to annihilate us as we speak. They brag about cutting heads off and murdering women and childeren.

    I’m happy you found a cool Muslim. I know some too.

    Now what? You want Muslims to end Al Queda and jihadism. Are you willing to bet the farm?

    This is feel good gunk at best.

  2. why do you say “allegedly opened fire”? Is it not fact yet?

    The only way to be respected in this country is to speak out. I find it really annoying when most minority groups seem to go silent when being bullied or stereotyped by those on the right. Then again, it could be that the media just doesn’t cover it as often. Though I’m happy a few are publicly speaking against the violence but they shouldn’t have to defend their religion in the process.

    Anyone who knows a thing about religion would know that Islam isn’t a hateful religion. Of course people misinterpret the text and you have those that do violent acts in the “name of their religion”. There’s a violent sector in any religion. You cannot tell me that there isn’t a violent sector within the christian circles. The difference is that reasonable Christians are able to speak out against this, while those that practice Islam aren’t given much air time.

  3. Rabbit, are you ready to look your cool Muslim friends in the eye and tell them they must leave the country?

    I’d say my message is yes, Muslims clean up your back yard but I’d add to that, reach out to us for help. Let’s stand together to preserve your right to peacefully worship and to do that we must work together to defeat radical Islam.

    You don’t like that the solution is difficult? You’d rather cut to the chase. Again, I return to my first question. You ready to tell your friends to leave the country?

  4. Sensico, I said “allegedly” out of respect to our criminal justice system. The dude has not yet been convicted. It’s a nicety, nothing to get hung up on. (Aside to Gorilla, honest question, he will be tried in military court … does military court have the same presumption of innocence that civilian court does?)

    As for your second point, I honestly don’t know if the media is shutting out moderate Muslims or if they are simply not coming forward. What we don’t need is a Nihad Awad who complains that Muslims are the only religious people accused of religious-based crime. That’s nonsense. It doesn’t move the argument forward and it doesn’t contribute to a solution.

    I am sure that Elric will point out (correectly) once he sees this article, that folks like Jasser risk getting killed by the radicals for speaking out. That is where he needs our support.

  5. I never said any citizen has to leave the country. Never once.

    Your solution isn’t difficult. It isn’t a solution at all.

    Utopian poop.

    Muslims need to clean their act up. That’s all your really saying, dude.

    What the hell do we do in the mean time?

    Regurgitate sensico’s tired pulp. Read what she wrote. This is the mainstream opinion on Islam right now in virtually all of our learning institutions. Do you agree with her?

    If it was up to a large world population of people, sensico wouldn’t be able to drive, would have her clitoris mutilated, her gay friends she always brags about executed, and her pretty face hidden beyond some vail as she wastes her life sneaking a few moments of MTV in between beatings.

    Do all Muslims see it this way? No. But plenty do. I’m talking about millions upon millions.

    Laughable.

    Do you think it’s a good thing that we couldn’t even have the dialog we’re having right now on a college campus?

    The very forum for hashing this out is censored becuase of your PC friends.

  6. This type of stuff is discuss on college campuses in colloquiums/seminars. There’s Muslims that would agree with me and/or you. My point is that the religion itself isn’t dangerous, it’s the way some interpret the religious text. I don’t brag about my gay friends 😛 lol

    Universities aren’t PC in my opinion. I just think people see the university on face value that see professors boring students to death. Obviously these professors are able to voice their opinion and many aren’t afraid to.

  7. Rutherford,

    Does Sensico’s blatant stupidity ever embarrass any of you on the left? This is possibly the dumbest human being I have ever read (and no, I’m not kidding).

    Consider the moronic demagogue’s statement:

    I find it really annoying when most minority groups seem to go silent when being bullied or stereotyped by those on the right.

    Can you explain to the idiot for me as she’s not worth my direct response, that right-wing politics had nothing to do with the tragedy, that the terrorist was not bullied into silence, and that the bending over backwards to cowardly appease big-mouthed bullies like this the above named moron, is exactly what got 13 people killed.

  8. “He confirmed my belief that the answer to our problem is for more Muslims who take messages of love and brotherhood from the Koran and discard the rest, to rise up and oppose the fanatical branch of the religion.”

    LOL Why would muslims do that when their own “prophet” didnt do that? Mo-bomb-ed was the original “fanatic” in islam.

  9. “Anyone who knows a thing about religion would know that Islam isn’t a hateful religion.”

    Really? Why does islam have dhimmi and apostasy laws if it isnt? I dont expect you to answer but that statement was so friggin stupid it had to be challenged. And if you dont back up your moronic statement, you are conceding that you dont know crap about islam. And backing it up means by using islamic text, not that your friend Akmed hasnt self combusted yet.

  10. Obama: “No Faith Justifies These Murderous and Craven Acts….”

    The lies from our so called leaders in regards to the Islamic terrorist attack on Fort Hood continue. Today Islam loving Obama, states that “No faith justifies these murderous and craven acts; no just and loving God looks upon them with favor,”

    Obama, did you happen to miss these sections of the Islamic scriptures?

    From the Koran.

    008.012
    YUSUFALI: Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.”

    008.013
    YUSUFALI: This because they contended against Allah and His Messenger: If any contend against Allah and His Messenger, Allah is strict in punishment.

    008.060
    YUSUFALI: Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.

    009.073
    YUSUFALI: O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.

    From the Hadiths.

    Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Book 52:
    Fighting for the Cause of Allah (Jihaad)

    Volume 4, Book 52, Number 41:

    Narrated Abdullah bin Masud:

    I asked Allah’s Apostle, “O Allah’s Apostle! What is the best deed?” He replied, “To offer the prayers at their early stated fixed times.” I asked, “What is next in goodness?” He replied, “To be good and dutiful to your parents.” I further asked, what is next in goodness?” He replied, “To participate in Jihad in Allah’s Cause.” I did not ask Allah’s Apostle anymore and if I had asked him more, he would have told me more.

    Volume 4, Book 52, Number 50:

    Narrated Anas bin Malik:

    The Prophet said, “A single endeavor (of fighting) in Allah’s Cause in the forenoon or in the afternoon is better than the world and whatever is in it.”

    Obama salutes Fort Hood victims, condemns murders
    By BEN FELLER

    FORT HOOD, Texas – One by one, President Barack Obama spoke the names and told the stories Tuesday of the 13 people slain in the Fort Hood shooting rampage, honoring their memories as he denounced the “twisted logic” that led to their deaths.

    “No faith justifies these murderous and craven acts; no just and loving God looks upon them with favor,” Obama told the crowd on a steamy Texas afternoon. “And for what he has done, we know that the killer will be met with justice — in this world and the next.”

    He did not name Maj. Nidal Hasan, the military psychiatrist accused of the killings. As for the victims and the soldiers who rushed to help them, Obama said, “We need not look to the past for greatness, because it is before our very eyes.” He spoke at a memorial service before a crowd estimated at 15,000 on this enormous Army post.

    http://islaminaction08.blogspot.com/2009/11/obama-no-faith-justifies-these.html

    Gee seems like a pretty hateful “religion” to me. And given that its own “prophet” lived by these codes, I would say that islm is one violent oppressive hateful “religion”.

  11. Elric I have a simple question for you. You have devoted a lot of time reading about Islam. You can quote the Koran. Do me the favor of taking this question seriously and try giving it a thoughtful answer.

    What religion does Dr. Jasser follow? What religion do countless other law-abiding Muslims follow? If Islam is at its core sick and debased how do you explain Jasser? Do you call him a liar? Is he an ignorant Muslim who isn’t following the true religion?

    Seriously, please explain to me how the same religion that influences Hasan to kill 13 people also influences Jasser to work within the system and treat people with civility.

  12. Rutherford,

    Well, I bet they could at least keep the lights on in Chicago, if for no other reason than Obama’s dazzling display of lighting up the stage with hot air! 😉

  13. Ottawa Muslim gets year in jail for threatening to murder his daughter for fleeing arranged marriage and not wearing hijab

    Rifqa Bary will be perfectly safe at home with her father, eh? After all, we know that Islam is a peaceful and tolerant faith that condemns honor killing — right? “Taxi boss jailed for threats against daughter,” by Megan Gillis for the Ottawa Sun, November 10 (thanks to Sounder):

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/11/ottawa-muslim-gets-year-in-jail-for-threatening-to-murder-his-daughter-for-fleeing-arranged-marriage.html

    Quick. Someone call Dr. Jasser

  14. R, Jasser may be a Muslim, but he’s obviously a politician (not in the sense that he holds public office but he is speaking in a political mannerz) too. Yes Hassan will be assumed innocent right up to the time he is found guilty. 😉

    Sensico, really, why say anything on something you clearly know nothing about? There are two main differences between Islam and Christianity, the first is the formation. Islam very quicky (within a decade) became a power grab. Christianity took centuries before it really fully took off and that was the result of conversions of faith. In Islam, you converted OR you lost your head, in Christianity, you converted an likely lost your head. Big difference.

    Secondly, Christianity had a reformation, whereas Islam has not. In fact, that is the crux of the problem because you don’t have religious leaders drawing the line between but applicable now and what is not. The Koran is pure (in their minds) and is the direct word of Allah pasted through the Prophet, and since God is infallable, then how do you pick what words of God to follow and what to ignore?

    There is a thing in Islam called innovation. If you want to really piss off a Muslim cleric, call him an innovator. Basically, an innovation is seen as anything that is not specifically sanctioned by Allah or the Prophet. To ‘fix’ the Medina verses, which are the war verses, you would have to apply a different interpretation and to use a different context. This would be an obvious innovation to the consistent interpretation, so you’ll be very hard pressed to get a body of Islamic legal scholors to not only accept the new interpretation, but to then issue legal rulings on it.

    So, you can tell me that this is simply a misunderstanding within the teachings of Islam, but its not. It is a fundamental component of the faith, which was developed with one key point dar al-harb or the world if the infidel and dar al-Islam the world of Islam. It is and was developed as a conquesting ideology that provided political, philisophical, and spiritual guidance/control over the population.

  15. Rutherford,

    Elric is right about Coulter and Peters. I watched both those segments and agree completely with them.

    Why is it so hard for the left to simply speak the truth about the most incredibly obvious of fact? That is, the man was a Jihadist, was a terrorist, and yet the libs continue to play into the victimhood of Islam?

    There is no widespread danger to Muslims – never has been. There was no widespread abuse after 9/11. Do “good” Muslims not recognize the danger in allowing CAIR and the left to frame Muslims as victims?

    You want to enrage a public? Continue on with the victims of Islam in America and you will have a major beat down someday. I think “good” Muslims have let the scum overplay their hand, much like I think most blacks have let the Julian Bond, the Rev. Al, and the rest of the hatemongers speak for the black populace for too long without challenge and you are beginning to see the undercurrent of resentment.

    Dumb, dumb, dumb…

  16. Spencer at NRO: “‘Islamophobia’ was duly avoided at Fort Hood. All it cost was 13 dead and 38 wounded.”

    Yesterday I was asked to participate in a Symposium at National Review about the Fort Hood massacre and the role political correctness played in it. Here is my entry:

    The Fort Hood massacre wouldn’t have happened were it not for political correctness. Nidal Hasan lectured on the Koran’s punishments for unbelievers when he should have been discussing medicine; justified suicide bombing; and spouted hatred for America even as he wore its uniform. Yet no one filed a complaint — for fear of seeming bigoted.

    This is the fruit of long-term efforts by groups such as the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) and others to demonize everyone who speaks honestly about the threat of jihad and Islamic supremacism. People are afraid to speak up about Muslims who behave suspiciously. And if Nidal Hasan had been disciplined or removed from his post because of his pro-jihad, anti-American statements, CAIR and others would likely have been up in arms, calling for an investigation of “Islamophobia” in the military.

    Mission accomplished: “Islamophobia” was duly avoided at Fort Hood. All it cost was 13 dead and 38 wounded. Now General Casey says that if the Army loses its “diversity” because of Hasan’s jihad, that would be worse than his murders; the political correctness that led to these murders is still very much in place.

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/11/spencer-at-nro-islamophobia-was-duly-avoided-at-fort-hood-all-it-cost-was-13-dead-and-38-wounded.html

  17. Pelosi On Jailtime For Those Who Refuse to Buy Obamacare: “The Legislation Is Very Fair In This Respect” (Video)
    Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 6:17 AM
    Jim Hoft

    I guess its fair to a fascist.

  18. Investigators Feared Being “Crucified” if They Probed Hasan….

    Investigators would have been “crucified” over First Amendment rights if they had launched a full-scale probe into e-mails Fort Hood massacre suspect Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan allegedly sent to a radical imam, a government investigator told Fox News.

    The claim comes as the squabble grows among officials in different branches of law enforcement and the military over who knew what, and when, about Hasan’s leanings toward faith-inspired violence, and amid charges that “political correctness” prevented officials from taking pre-emptive action.

    Multiple investigators familiar with the FBI’s review of the Fort Hood case told Fox News that they simply did not have enough evidence to launch an investigation. Though officials discovered Hasan’s e-mails to the imam, one government counterterrorism investigator said the messages suggested he was seeking “spiritual and religious guidance.”

    “Had we launched an investigation of Hasan we’d have been crucified,” the investigator said, adding that the communications were shared with the “appropriate chains.”

    But even after the attacks, some have been reluctant to cite religion as a factor, as evidence has mounted that the alleged gunman’s Muslim faith was at least a partial factor in the decision to mount the attack.

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/11/investigators-feared-being-crucified-if-they-probed-hasan.html

    A shout out to all the libs that created this atmosphere.

  19. Rutherford’s question to Elric is a fair one. I think I know the answer. I also think it’s crap Elric won’t answer.

    After the end of the 30 Years War, some people began to see the inefficiency and the pointlessness of waging wars over religious theology.

    These “politiques,” as they were called in France, began to devise social and foreign policy that seemed like a good thing for their new emerging nation states. They no longer constantly schemed to bring a certain religious interpretation via force.

    Yet, most of these people would still claim to be devout Christians. In fact, they were sometimes even clergy.

    Some people began to actually listen to their faith and realize that burning people at the stake over a dispute on consubstantiation vs. transubstantiation wasn’t WJWD and certainly didn’t make to much sense economically.

    Today, it’s the opposite effect. Muslims, either consciously or even subconsciously, chose to ignore parts of their faith. It really is as simple as that. Reason, common decency or maybe even a simple urge to live a decent life here on Earth wins out over these blatantly violent teachings of the Koran.

    My Muslim friends probably won’t admit it. But, they are good people despite their faith. They ignore parts of the Koran.

    This brings us to an important point. For the problem of radical Islam to go away, we need Muslims to partially ignore Allah.

    By the way, I thought Gorilla’s response to sensico was so damn perfect, I bet she doesn’t even respond.

  20. DR,

    You cant have reform in islam. One, the qur’an is the actually word of allah. You expect muslims to ignore or reform the word of allah? And two, Mo-bomb-ed was an oppressive, violent, homicidal maniac. He is the founder of islam and set the standard.

    Case in point. A so called Christian guns down an abortion doctor. Would Jesus have approved of the act? No, Jesus was a man of peace.

    Hasan gunned down 13 kaffirs. Would Mo-bomb-ed have approved of it. Hell yeah. In fact he even sent out assassins to murder poets that offended him, including one who was pregnant.

    To truly reform islam would be to destroy it. If muslims want to be all peaceful and tolerant, they might as well convert. But then, they would be subject to execution per the teachings of islam.

  21. “You cant have reform in islam.”

    I wouldn’t say reform is 100% out of the question.

    Read up on some of the Sufi movements within Islam, (some considered to be heretical some not).

    There certainly have been different takes on the Koran throughout history that are peaceful.

    For example, there are some Muslims who twirl in dizzy circles to achieve spiritual bliss. Odd, maybe a tourist act, but hardly a threat to anyone.

    But yeah…as things are right now, mainstream Islam is pretty hard to reform while still being mainstream.

  22. DR,

    Just read up on any book by Robert Spencer and you will see that reform is basically impossible without destroying islam. I think part of it is also that its not just a religion. And you know what, Im not willing to risk Western Civilization on the hope it can reform. How many more people have to die for people to get it?

    Lets just take the Fort Hood Shooting. DId al-Thuggy’s witchhunt on the CIA and interrogators play a role in not taking action on Hasan before the shootings? My guess is yes. My guess is also that as long as it continues, more people will die.

  23. Backlash in California: Muslim at mall kiosk tears crucifix from shopper’s neck, shouts “Allah is power”

    Whoops, sorry — this isn’t backlash against the poor, innocent Muslims being terrorized and victimized by the thousands after the Fort Hood Nothing-To-Do-With-Islam attack. This is just the familiar Muslim backlash against non-Muslims, which will increasingly be a feature of American life in the coming years. Nothing to see here. Move along.

    “Man arrested for ‘anti-Christian’ mall disturbance: Kiosk employee allegedly tore a crucifix from someone’s neck,” by Emily West for the Danville Express, November 10 (thanks to Bob):

    Police arrested 22-year-old Abdul Walid Hamid of Hayward on the evening of Wednesday, Nov. 4, after he reportedly tore a crucifix from a person’s neck and scared others at Stoneridge Shopping Center.

    Hamid, an employee at a mall kiosk near Starbucks, has been charged with battery, terrorist threats and grand theft.

    According to reports, Hamid was yelling “Allah is power” and “Islam is great” while holding a pen in a fist over his head. Witnesses said he shouted anti-Christian comments, said police.

    Lt. Mike Elerick of the Pleasanton Police Department said the man was not provoked and didn’t threaten violence, but he committed robbery when he grabbed and broke a crucifix off someone’s neck.

    Coworkers told police that Hamid’s actions were out of the ordinary and that he had worked at the kiosk for years.

    You mean, he didn’t do this daily? What a relief!

    Police also said they weren’t aware of a prior criminal history for the man.

    “We had multiple people calling 911,” Elerick said. “One female was crouching down and hiding from him. He definitely scared quite a few people.”…

    Through an interpreter, Hamid requested a public defender and was scheduled to appear in court at 9 a.m. Thursday where he is expected to enter a plea.

    Through an interpreter? He worked at the mall and didn’t speak English?

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/11/backlash-in-california-muslim-at-mall-kiosk-tears-crucifix-from-shoppers-neck-shouts-allah-is-power.html

    Paging Dr Jassar

  24. I guess I have to give Obama a little shout out – since he is already losing two wars, seems the third one he started with FOX…

    Well he’s had second thoughts. Though I still think MaO is wicked, highly overrated, know he is incompetent and not terribly bright, I must give the man credit to know when to he is fighting a losing proposition. Guess those poll numbers still mean something.

    Seems with Bonita Anita leaving, MaO will be granting an interview to Major Garrett in China next week. Better to go half a world away when your embarrassed and trying to save your ass. 😛

  25. DR,

    By the liberal definition it is a hate crime though I think hate crimes are BS and Orwellian. Oh wait, its black on white so by liberal definition, it can never be a hate crime.

  26. Pelosi: ObamaCare is our Christmas present to America
    posted at 7:06 pm on November 11, 2009 by Allahpundit
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    Via Greg Hengler, this is like “borrowing” a friend’s credit card, buying a car with it, then presenting them with the car on Christmas morning as their “gift.” Nor is it the first time that a prominent Democrat’s imagined your tax dollars as her personal Christmas club account: Remember Hillary’s disgusting holiday ad during the Democratic primaries?

    Where do we go to return our “gift,” incidentally? From the new AP poll:

    Support is down to 41.8 percent in Mark Blumenthal’s poll of polls, too. Follow the link and check out how Obama’s “bent the curve.” Hey Nancy — guess what you’re getting for Christmas next year.

    A Christmas present that if you refuse, you go to jail. Fuck off you fascist bitch.

  27. Raymond Ibrahim: Islamist Perfidy and Western Naivety: Which Is More Lethal?

    Here is a terrific new piece at Pajamas Media by my friend and former Jihad Watch writer, Raymond Ibrahim:

    In a blog entry for Islamist Watch, David J. Rusin shows how the word “jihad” continues to be euphemized in the West. Despite Islamic law’s unequivocal portrayal of it as a military endeavor to empower Islam, jihad is still being peddled as “nothing more than a student laboring to pass algebra, a mom driving her kids to soccer practice, or, in the words of the Cambridge study, a civic-minded person engaged in ‘lobbying, activism, and writing’ — a community organizer of sorts.” Rusin concludes by observing: “Why Islamists peddle such specious definitions should be clear. More baffling and disturbing is why they gain traction among so many Westerners.”

    Indeed, therein lies the irony: Islamist perfidy is only to be expected; Western naivety, on the other hand, which, if anything, should have begun to dissipate in our post-9/11 world, has burgeoned to the point of nearly making the former unnecessary. For while there is no doubt that Islamists (and their misguided Western cronies) distort the meaning of jihad, increasingly, even when the true meaning is in plain sight, America’s leaders and media still fail to discern it. In other words, apathy — or willful blindness — regarding jihad has become so deep-seated in the West that Islamists need no longer actively dissemble.

    Consider: When President Barack Hussein Obama addressed the Islamic world from Cairo on June 4, 2009, he said: “As the Holy Koran tells us, ‘Be conscious of God and speak always the truth’ [Sura 9:119]. That is what I will try to do — to speak the truth as best I can, humbled by the task before us.” Let us for the moment put aside the fact that Sura 9, from whence Obama quotes, contains the most violent and intolerant exhortations in all the Koran (which is saying something). The problem here is that the original Arabic text of Sura 9:119 says absolutely nothing about “speaking the truth.” The word “speaking” is nowhere in the text, and “truth,” as an abstract, is a wrong translation for sadiqin, which refers to people. The verse most literally translates as “fear Allah and be with the truthful.” In other words, Muslims should stand firm with fellow Muslims (“truthful” serving as a Koranic epithet for “Muslims” the same way “believers” often does). It is, as ever, a call for divisiveness — of Muslims (the “truthful”) versus infidels (the “false”).

    Had Obama or his Mideast advisors and speechwriters simply bothered to read this verse in context — verse 9:111, a jihadi all-time favorite, looms just above, promising believers paradise in exchange for their killing and being killed — or if they had bothered consulting mainstream Muslim exegeses, they might have known that this verse is part of a Koranic segment that deals exclusively with fighting infidels: Muhammad and several Muslims were preparing to invade Byzantine territory. Some Muslims wanted to stay behind. It was then that Allah/Muhammad threatened them with this verse to “fear Allah and be with the truthful” (i.e., join ranks with your fellow Muslims on the warpath). Sentences later, this exhortation culminates in one of the most famous calls to violence in all the Koran, regularly evoked by modern-day jihadis: “O you who believe, fight those infidels who dwell around you, and let them find harshness in you!” [9:123]….

    Read it all.

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/11/raymond-ibrahim-islamist-perfidy-and-western-naivety-which-is-more-lethal.html

  28. Im sure the misogynist left will start attacking her as well.

    Elric, I want to call to your attention one of Rep Myrick’s comments:

    That is why I have been working with many mainstream moderate Muslims, and trying to help empower them to speak out and confront this radical ideology within their community.

    That is exactly what I advocated in this article. But you say there is no moderate Islam, right? So therefore, Ms. Myrick must be wrong. Correct?

  29. A shout out to all the libs that created this atmosphere.

    BS. General Casey, highest ranking General, said that sacrificing diversity would be worse than what happened at Fort Hood. Is Casey a lib? I kinda doubt it.

    Most Americans regardless of political persuasion are “politically correct” and hesitate to condemn a man for fear of religious discrimination. You can’t just lay this on libs.

  30. Gorilla, I neglected to comment on your reply to Sensico. You make a similar argument to mine but stop short of my conclusion. If I understand you correctly, you feel Islam incapable of the kind of reforms Christianity has gone through throughout the ages. Am I correct in my interpretation of your argument?

  31. Case in point. A so called Christian guns down an abortion doctor. Would Jesus have approved of the act? No, Jesus was a man of peace.

    Elric, is there not more to the Bible than Jesus (ahem, like the entire old testament) and is there not more to the Koran than Mohammed? When a Christian murders an abortion doctor he believes God is on his side, regardless of what Jesus might or might not have done. And he can cherry pick the Bible to justify his act. The same goes for a psycho Muslim.

    I think you introduce flaws into your argument when you contrast Islam against Christianity. Judge Islam on its own terms and I think your arguments make a bit more sense.

  32. You know, I’m annoyed at myself for letting someone like Elric piss me off but you know what really pisses me off? I asked Elric a simple non-threatening question and he did not go anywhere near it until Dead Rabbit requested an answer … AND he still did not really answer it.

    Elric ..answer comment 19.

  33. Gorilla,

    😆 But first, I just shook my head at the truth of the comedy. And these are the loons that Densico think should be running our health care. Rutherford has been so all over the board, I don’t even know where he stands on the issue anymore.

  34. Rutherford,

    During WWII, there were many “good” Germans that while opposed to Hitler, refused to speak out for the truth.

    The fact that most Muslims may be likable and peaceful (and I believe I could make a good argument that the peaceful part doesn’t apply to the majority) doesn’t excuse that their religion, however perverted you might think Hasan was in his interpretation, is responsible for virtually all forms of global terrorism.

    What you really need to answer first is, “what is truth?” Because Islam, Christianity and any other religion, which would include atheism, are all mutually exclusive in what is truth. If you ask me, and I do profess that I am not a scholar of the Koran, what parts I am familiar with would more resemble Hasan – he would be closer to living the life of a true Muslim, if you are to follow the word of the Koran.

    Though all men are sinful and fall short of the Glory of God, the results of Islam speak for itself. 😉

  35. The more I hear about the Fort Hood case the more it bears an interesting bureaucratic resemblance to the Catholic church in America. What I mean is, until the media got wind of it, the primary response of the Catholic church to pedophile priests was to transfer them to other parishes (if that is the right word … or is it diocese?) and let them worry about it.

    Not only did intelligence (under Bush’s watch by the way) know that Hasan was corresponding with an al Qaeda friendly Imam, we now find out that some folks at Walter Reed actually thought, completely separate from religion, that the dude was clinically psychotic. What was done? He got a poor review and shipped to Fort Hood. Just move the problem elsewhere.

    While the potential for Hasan to go Jihad was evident, we really didn’t’ even need the religious angle to put him where he couldn’t harm anyone. He could have been discharged as a psycho. Two reasons he wasn’t: first the fear of appearing Islamaphobic (yes Elric, I readily admit this) and second, the fact that we are so resource strapped right now that we need every working body we can find to fight these wars.

    Still, as in the case of the Catholic church, the solution is to move the problem elsewhere.

  36. Rutherford has been so all over the board, I don’t even know where he stands on the issue anymore.

    Quite frankly I think the current state of health care legislatively is a total mess. I no longer know what will get passed and what good it will do. I do know the status quo is unacceptable, a fact that many conservatives refuse to face. Time allowing, I’ll be posting on this tomorrow.

  37. Rutherford,

    There is a big difference in your analogy concerning the Catholic Church and Islam, and the reason I think your analogy falls flat. There is absolutely nothing politically correct about the way the Catholic Church is treated.

    While it is fair to condemn a few dioceses for the way they handled the sordid pedophile affair, the Catholic Church is possibly the most monitored, most mocked organization on the planet.

    From the Hollywood elect always showing the Catholic Church in its worst light, virtually all of it untrue, to the lamestream media and irreligious folk like you, the Catholic Church is constantly attacked, though I can think of no other organization that does more good works for the poor and neglected – the very people you purport to look out for.

    There is no way you can say people measure what they say about the Catholic Church like they do Islam. And the Army damn sure wouldn’t have given consideration to Hasan’s religion had he claimed to be Christian. This is another in a long list of double standards of our current environment.

  38. During WWII, there were many “good” Germans that while opposed to Hitler, refused to speak out for the truth.

    Absolutely true Tex. Although it is interesting that part of being in Hitler’s master race was being a Christian. I suppose it is a tribute to Christianity that it remained unsmeared by Nazism. When we think of Nazi’s, we think of those “dirty Germans”, we never think of those “dirty Christians”. Interesting.

  39. I do know the status quo is unacceptable, a fact that many conservatives refuse to face.

    Speaking as a Conservative that runs in Conservative circles, I don’t know one Conservative that believes the health care system isn’t broke.

    Where we part ways Rutherford is how to fix it. And we know for historical fact that the government is the last place on earth to look for the fix.

    Ever heard of making a bad situation worse? Your solution would be it.

  40. Rutherford,

    By the way, I meant to say “broken” in the last comment.

    Hitler was no Christian. I don’t know how many times that we have rehashed this argument about Hitler being a disciple of Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche.

    Hitler may have made passing reference in Hitler’s rise, as Germany a majority Christian nation at the time, but Hitler was clearly an enemy of Christianity during the war.

  41. Tex, agreed that Christianity gets far more scrutiny than Islam in this country.

    As for Hitler and Christianity, all I am saying is that wasn’t part of the definition of the Aryan race that it was Christian? I guess you’re saying religion was less an ingredient for Hitler than was national identification.

  42. As for Hitler and Christianity, all I am saying is that wasn’t part of the definition of the Aryan race that it was Christian? I guess you’re saying religion was less an ingredient for Hitler than was national identification.

    Agreed. But I have a question for you as the secularist. Why do you render less scrutiny to the evils of Islam vs. your scrutiny of Christianity? Which do you consider more the enemy?

    And if it is Islam, why are you afraid to say as much?

  43. BS. General Casey, highest ranking General, said that sacrificing diversity would be worse than what happened at Fort Hood. Is Casey a lib? I kinda doubt it.” — R

    Yeah, but Casey is an idiot. He should never have gotten the Army COS position considering how much he fucked up Iraq. This was a clear case of one of Bush’s biggest faults coming through- he was too loyal to his people, even when they fucked him. Casey should have been thrown out on his ass…

    The point on diversity is correct, and I’m sure he was regurgitating something someone told him when he said it, but this is ultimately a case of PC. The Army is short manned, yes, but I don’t think was the case here.

    As to your question R, yes, I question whether it is possible to ever reform Islam. Like I said, it is in the fundamental structure of the religion to prevent any change. There isn’t a legal body authorized to over turn or reinterpret the Quran, so how do you do it?

  44. “There is no way you can say people measure what they say about the Catholic Church like they do Islam.”

    Case in point. In the new movie “2012”, every famous religious structure/symbol is shown destroyed but islam. The director actually went on record say it was because he was AFRAID. Did he have good reason to be?

  45. Muslim behind first accredited Islamic college in U.S. says OK for Muslims to attack Ft Bragg
    November 11, 2009 by creeping

    From WND – Exhorts Islamic faithful to target planes carrying ‘82nd Airborne’:

    A Council on American-Islamic Relations adviser and regular speaker at its events has suggested Islamic law permits Muslims to attack C-130 military transport planes carrying the 82nd Airborne out of Fort Bragg, N.C., according to a stunning new book exposing Washington-based CAIR’s inner workings.

    Radical Islamic cleric Zaid Shakir, a frequent guest speaker at CAIR events, tells his Muslim audiences: “Jihad is physically fighting the enemies of Islam to protect and advance the religion of Islam. This is jihad.”

    Acceptable targets of jihad, he says, include U.S. military aircraft.

    “Islam doesn’t permit us to hijack airplanes filled with civilian people,” Shakir once told a Muslim audience. However, “If you hijack an airplane filled with the 82nd Airborne, that’s something else.”

    The 82nd Airborne Division’s elite paratroopers fly out of Fort Bragg, N.C., which is part of North Carolina state Sen. Larry Shaw’s district. Shaw is CAIR’s new chairman.

    The recording of the lecture, which Shakir gave earlier this decade to a Muslim audience in the San Francisco Bay area, was obtained by the authors of the bestselling “Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld That’s Conspiring to Islamize America.”

    The bombshell revelation comes in the wake of the worst military massacre at a domestic U.S. military base in American history, and the worst Islamic terrorist attack on U.S. soil since 9/11.

    Shakir advises the Muslim community in America to wage a cultural jihad now, and a violent jihad later – once the proper “infrastructure” is in place.

    http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/muslim-behind-first-accredited-islamic-college-in-u-s-says-ok-for-muslims-to-attack-ft-bragg/

    Ummah comes first

  46. Brigitte Gabriel Takes the Gloves Off on Fort Hood and CAIR – by Jamie Glazov

    Frontpage Interview’s guest today is Brigitte Gabriel, founder of the nonprofit organization ACT! for America, and one of the leading terrorism experts in the world. Her expertise is sought after by world and business leaders. She has addressed the Australian Prime Minister, members of The British Parliament/House of Commons, members of the United States Congress, The Pentagon, The Joint Forces Staff College, The US Special Operations Command, The US Asymmetric Warfare group, the FBI, and many others. She is the author of the new book, They Must Be Stopped: Why We Must Defeat Radical Islam and How We Can Do It.

    http://frontpagemag.com/2009/11/12/brigitte-gabriel-takes-the-gloves-off-on-fort-hood-and-cair-by-jamie-glazov/

  47. http://nrd.nationalreview.com/article/?q=ZGFmMDY4NzdkMmIwZTQ1MzU2ZDA4NGZhNzJlNGU2MTE=

    “The Friday before Halloween, in response to requests from the public, the White House released records of the visitors it had received between January and July. George Clooney, Oprah Winfrey, and Serena Williams were among the famous names on the list. But the man who appeared most frequently is less well-known. His name is Andrew Stern, and during the first six months of Obama’s tenure, he visited the White House 21 times — about three times per month. Most of these visits included an intimate meeting with the president or other senior officials. Among outsiders, Stern enjoys unrivaled access to the White House. And the more you know about him, the spookier that sounds.

    Stern is president of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), a federation of health-care, public-sector, and custodial workers that claims approximately 2 million members. Stern replaced former president John Sweeney in 1996, the year after Sweeney won a bitterly fought battle for control of the AFL-CIO. At the time, Sweeney’s win was viewed as a victory for the left wing of the labor movement. Ramesh Ponnuru wrote in these pages: “Many of the people in [Sweeney’s] camp have backgrounds in the New Left.” Andrew Stern certainly fits that description…”

  48. Elric,

    Yes, I know Hitler was never a Christian. That is what I’ve been explaining to Rutherford the last year. Hitler was as much Christian as Nietzsche was Christian – that is, diametrically opposed.

    And I think Rutherford has finally accepted that fact.

  49. Why do you render less scrutiny to the evils of Islam vs. your scrutiny of Christianity? Which do you consider more the enemy?

    Well to be honest, I am a child of American media and therefore I have much more exposure to Christianity than I do to Islam, hence Christianity is the easier target.

    There is no doubt that Christians are not currently waging holy jihad against their enemies. You have an entire violent movement deriving its strength from its interpretation of scripture. I’m not a huge fan of this word “enemy”. If I’m not mistaken, we propped up the Taliban to prevent the Russians from gaining a foothold in Afghanistan, so today’s convenient allies are tomorrow’s “enemies”. It is fair to say we have more to fear from radical Islam than we do from the oaf known as Pat Robertson. 😉

  50. Oh and BTW, Hitler wasnt a Christian, he hated Christianity. He wanted the state to be the religion like a good little socialist.

    How many Christians who weren’t disabled or gay did Hitler exterminate? My recollection is he hated Catholics in particular but not Christians in general. The Aryan race is described as non-Jewish.

  51. Rutherford,

    Being a child of the American media has caused you to adopt a large set of untruths. Now I know we disagree politically and I believe this statement belies the fact as to why we disagree, but I also think you a man of honesty yearning to know the truth.

    Why don’t you do a little research, beginning with possibly talking to some Christians yourself gaining the experience of why they believe the way they believe before you formulate an opinion? I can tell you for a fact that most of the media, including a few Conservative ones who many believe Christian, are clueless as to what drives the Christian community.

    The fact Pat Robertson is designated as a “leader” of the Evangelical Community which I have demonstrated before here is completely bogus, should be your first clue that you are being misled.

    Don’t you want know the real truth?

  52. Gorilla,

    Good article on the SEIU. Some of that I didn’t know.

    What is even more troubling to me than Andrew Stern’s many visits is that George Soros has been an occasional visitor.

    To me, Soros represents all that is wrong with the left wing of the Democratic party. I have no doubt that man is sheer evil, delusional and self-serving.

    Add to the fact a convicted felon how has helped to destroy national economies while greatly enriching himself has this much power and sway over those and charge, and the lefties are beholden to a man of this character is very troubling.

  53. Regarding comment 90, I think you (Tex) slightly misunderstood my comment. I was comparing my impressions of Christianity to those of Islam by way of saying what I’ve learned from the media, with the focus being that I hear next to nothing about Islam in the American media and I personally know no Muslims.

    I know lots of Christians.90% of the ones I know are decent kind people. I’ve encountered a handful of proselytizers whom I have little patience for.

    But bottom line, your premise that I haven’t discussed faith with actual Christians is off the mark. I have. I remain unconvinced.

  54. Here is a first round-up on events at last week’s meeting of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), a partner organization of the UN. Pax Europa, the group for which I spoke in Berlin recently, was there, and was able to achieve great things. See the video above, in which the intrepid E.S.W. quotes Koran 4:34, the infamous wife-beating verse — much irking the Turks, who immediately denounced her intervention as “hate speech.” (You see, when a non-Muslim quotes the Koran, it’s “hate speech.”)

    This was a very important meeting: for the first time Islam was discussed in a critical manner. This was not just another UN conference — and the OSCE concerns the US as well, since the US is a participating state.

  55. Elric still waiting for an answer to comment 19.

    By the way, Elric, let me give you some insight into my personality. I share a common (and slightly psychotic) trait with the Glenn Close character in “Fatal Attraction”. As she put it to Michael Douglas, “I will not be ignored.”

    So, here’s the deal. I’ve noticed of late you do not address any comments that I put to you. You seem to think you are here to be buddy-buddy with Tex, DR and Gorilla. Now I’m all for camaraderie but I also run this joint. Folks come here to engage with me as well as others.

    If you no longer wish to engage with me, then you have no reason to be here, and I’ll gladly change the locks on the door if you get my drift.

    Answer f*cking comment 19!

  56. Tex,

    Isnt that interesting. Drones dont bother answering your questions so you say the hell with it and why bother engaging. But when they demand answers and get nothing in return, they cry like a baby and and threaten banishment. Engagement is a 2 way street. You want engagement, try answering question posed to you instead of dodging or answering in a way that has nothing to do with the question asked is my mantra. Wouldnt you agree Tex?

  57. Mmmm, I think you’re confused Elric. I’m not Tex.

    There is a difference between my not answering your questions the way you want them answered (which basically means not agreeing with you) vs completely blowing you off.

    Answer comment 19, Elric. It wasn’t a tough one. While I’m at it, I’ll ask you an even easier one and one that I’ve been curious about recently … do you actually know any Muslims personally? (I don’t but DR does so I’m just curious … do you?)

  58. Senator Graham: “Let’s don’t accuse people of basically giving him a pass cause he’s a Muslim, cause I don’t think there’s any evidence of that.”

    The three men in this clip fall over themselves to make sure that nobody thinks the Fort Hood massacre has anything to Islam. So Nidal Hasan passed out Korans on the morning of his mass murders! So what? Tim McVeigh!

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/11/senator-graham-lets-dont-accuse-people-of-basically-giving-him-a-pass-cause-hes-a-muslim-cause-i-don.html

    Cant wait for Grahamesty to be primaried out.

  59. Elric usually answers people question by asking another question. It’s virtually impossible to answer his questions in the way he feels is adequate. He won’t answer the question because weasel zippers, hot air and islam hating websites haven’t created a blog post in which he can copy and paste here. I wouldn’t wait all day for an answer to his question, he clearly does not know.

    Where have you been? you’ve been to liberal elite Harvard, and you still dont know any Muslims personally? whats the Muslim population like there like in the Liebermann landfill state?

  60. LOL Why would muslims do that when their own “prophet” didnt do that? Mo-bomb-ed was the original “fanatic” in islam.

    In fairness, Elric, you asked this question early on and I didn’t give an answer. I think DR kinda answered it earlier in the thread, Many Muslims let basic human decency win out over the more violent teachings of Mohammed. You yourself have stated the Koran essentially has two books (Mecca, and Medina?). Perhaps law-abiding Muslims focus on the first book and not the second?

  61. But bottom line, your premise that I haven’t discussed faith with actual Christians is off the mark. I have. I remain unconvinced.

    Possibly, but everything you know is filtered with a preconceived bias – much of it having to do with your formation of what you hear third hand and much from a secular media. I highly doubt you go to learn but to convince yourself of what you already think you know.

    How long has it been since you actually attended a service and received the “good news” first hand?

  62. Can you explain to the idiot for me as she’s not worth my direct response, that right-wing politics had nothing to do with the tragedy, that the terrorist was not bullied into silence …

    Tex you misunderstood Sensico. She wasn’t saying Hasan acted this way because of bullying. I believe she was defending the CAIR director who was fighting Muslim stereotypes in his interview with Chris Matthews.

    I happen to disagree with Sensico on this one … this was not the time for the CAIR guy to get on his high horse about Muslim victimhood.

  63. Where have you been? you’ve been to liberal elite Harvard, and you still dont know any Muslims personally? whats the Muslim population like there like in the Liebermann landfill state?

    LOL Well, when it comes to Harvard, I was sort of an anti-social dork so the odds of befriending a Muslim were small. Hell, I didn’t even have lots of black friends. I had a very small cadre of folks that I hung with, primarily in my dorm. I was not a “man of the world” when I got into Harvard, and unfortunately the experience didn’t turn me into one. 😦

    As for Middlebury, CT … it’s a “bedroom community” hardly a bastion of true diversity.

  64. How long has it been since you actually attended a service and received the “good news” first hand?

    At least a few times in the past nine years since whenever we go home to visit my wife’s family, a visit to Sunday service is pretty mandatory. I got into a pleasant debate with a female preacher there a few years ago. I liked her because she was “modern” and quite intellectual in her approach to religion.

  65. Oh BTW, Tex … I also got a kick out of her service because she managed to make a swipe at Catholics during her sermon. Nothing like a little religious in-fighting to keep me entertained. 😉

  66. California: Muslim Man Charged With “Anti-Christian” Hate Crime….

    (Pleasanton Weekly)- Deputy District Attorney Ronda Theisen requested the bail for Abdul Walid Hamid stay at $27,000 as the 22-year-old man was arraigned Tuesday morning on charges of battery, grand theft, exhibition of a deadly weapon and a possible hate crime.

    Through an interpreter, Hamid requested a public defender and was scheduled to appear in court at 9 a.m. Thursday where he is expected to enter a plea.

    According to reports, Hamid was yelling “Allah is power” and “Islam is great” while holding a pen in a fist over his head and witnesses said he had been shouting anti-Christian comments.

    Pleaanton Police Lt. Mike Elerick said the man was not provoked and didn’t threaten violence, but he committed robbery when he grabbed and broke a crucifix off a man’s neck.

    “We had multiple people calling 911,” Elerick said. “One female was crouching down and hiding from him. He definitely scared quite a few people.”

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/11/california-muslim-man-charged-with-antichristian-hate-crime.html

    The price you pay for multiculturalism

  67. Breaking: Hasan wired money to Pakistan?
    posted at 11:40 am on November 12, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    This would appear to indicate that Nidal Hasan was something other than a loner who cracked under the strain of vicarious PTSD. The man who made a $90,000 annual salary but lived like a pauper may have sent money to Pakistan, according to Rep. Pete Hoekstra:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/12/breaking-hasan-wired-money-to-pakistan/

    Seems to be more than a case of SJS

  68. The Economics of Medical Care Readers of Thomas Sowell’s columns in IBD don’t have to be told why he is considered one of America’s greatest thinkers — maybe the greatest.

    Pulitzer Prize-winning playwright David Mamet has called him “our greatest contemporary philosopher,” an opinion that British historian Paul Johnson shares in his book “A History of the American People.”

    Besides his weekly newspaper column, Sowell has written 43 books — 10 in the last five years — two monographs, 87 articles in periodicals and books, and 33 book reviews.

    His latest two books, The Housing Boom and Bust and Applied Economics: Thinking Beyond Stage One, came out this year. The latter, subtitled “Thinking Beyond Stage One,” is one of six he has written on economics.

    Dr. Sowell has granted IBD permission to run one of the chapters of Applied Economics: Thinking Beyond Stage One — The Economics of Medical Care — in its entirety. We are doing so because of its relevance to the debate over health care reform.

    http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/SpecialReport.aspx?id=510262

  69. Army tried to correct Fort Hood jihadist’s misunderstanding of Islam

    After all, everyone knows that Islam is a Religion of Peace™. They just figured he hadn’t gotten the memo. The only problem is — no one wants to talk about it, but there is abundant support for his views within Islamic theology. “Army sought ways to channel Hasan’s absorption with Islam: Walter Reed psychiatrists ordered him to attend university lectures on religion,” by Ann Scott Tyson and Dana Priest for the Washington Post, November 12 (thanks to Christopher):

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/11/army-tried-to-correct-fort-hood-jihadists-misunderstanding-of-islam.html

    Isnt that like sending a pedophile to a NAMBLA meeting?

  70. Obama losing Ohio?
    posted at 12:15 pm on November 12, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

    In the second blockbuster Quinnipiac poll out today, Governor Ted Strickland’s hopes for re-election look dim indeed — but that’s not the main takeaway from the survey. Democrats successfully turned Ohio from red to blue in 2006 and 2008, but the love affair with Barack Obama and the Democrats has come to an end. Obama’s job-approval ratings on issues has dropped precipitately, and as his fortunes fall, so do those of his party (via Jim Geraghty):

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/12/obama-losing-ohio/

    LMAO

  71. I was super hesitant to even enter in2 this but I’m a little bored right now so what the hell.
    Throughout my online history with Elric I’ve had to face the reality that people can’t do math. Sure enough there are an insane number of followers of Islam trying to kill innocent people worldwide. That doesn’t mean the religion itself or the entire mass of followers are. Over and over again people cherry pick to their respected advantage the histories,policies and outlier items of all religions. That’s a fact. What gets missed is how the majority of followers of any given faith are essentially good. Also true is the examination of the full spectrum of history reveals that what you’re seeing today isn’t what has always been.
    It never ceases to amaze me that people fail to see the power religion has always had and how so many have used that power to their ends.
    Mohammed used a “religion” to wage a war of conquest. Along the way people embraced the five pillars and other and tried to have a positive impact on their lives and follow a religion. An intellectual failure to see that that may be true through the eyes of others is something done to our loss.Similar points could be made about other religions too btw.

    As for Rutherfords comment towards Hitler and Christianity. I have to side with Tex here and I’m thinking a certain German minister would too. It can be said that the Nazis ,em>knew how to use religion to their advantage. many an ateist will tell you that religion is the opiate of the masses. kinda true too. Also if one looks at the Nazis you can’t fail to see the mythic,pagan non Christian trappings unless you try way too freakin hard.

    As fro the moderate Muslims and reform. It sounds nice but the two are probably mutually exclusive. Islam isn’t going to face a reformation since too many of its supporters like it just the way it is. With that said its key to realize that most followers of Islam are far from being Islamists or fanatics etc. I’ve seen it said that it will need to be a very conservative clutch of folks to transform Islam,or should/could I say save it ? My limited experience leads me to think that the solution R is that the followers of Islam will have to wake up and fight sooner or later. Whether that comes via them seeing the need to save their faith or themselves (see Saudi vs Yemen,Yemen v Hauthis etc. ) or to overthrow the yoke of various oppression (see Turkey,Syria,and hopefully soon Iran) or a combination of both (see Pakistan) it’s a wait and see.

  72. Rutherford throw me a bipartisan bone here baby. Seriously whoever counsels the First Lady couldn’t have brought up the reality that a black dress might be remotely more appropriate ????

  73. I would have to take this a step further than Alfie did, radical a prediction as this may sound. Before saying this, let me be clear I think most Muslims want to live in peace. I’ll make up a few numbers here to make my example. I would wager 4 in 5 Muslims around the world not of a radical nature. But all are woefully misled.

    Having said that, this is a war that moderate Muslims, secular Muslim, peace loving Muslims, want ever you want to call them must wage internally. If they can’t flush out their own bad ilk, then it is a given that sooner or later, the United States and its allies will be forced for preservation sake to declare war on Islam.

    I understand that there are many victims – perhaps none more so than the Muslims wishing to live in peace. But sooner or later, a majority of Americans are going to get fed up with the Allahu Akbar types and provide a major beat down on Islam itself. I predict it will happen in Europe even sooner.

    It is up to the Muslims to resolve this issue, or we will be forced to do it for them. They are making a mistake if they think that this problem will soon go away without direct intervention.

  74. Alfie, thanks for correcting the link and for your thoughts on the crux of this post. I think you and I are pretty much on the same page in that it will take a concerted effort of peaceful Muslims to “save” their religion.

    As for Michelle … I need to do some research because the photo that was originally posted by Elric seems to me photoshopped. I just saw video of her this morning at the Veteran’s Day event and she was wearing black. I’ll dig some more to see what I find.

  75. Speaking of photoshopping … how’d you boys and girls like the little trick Sean Hannity played trying to make the Bachmamn rally look bigger than it was by splicing in footage of a previous rally? Gotta love it.

    You know the news media has stopped doing its job when Hannity has to apologize to a comedian (Jon Stewart) for his shenanigans. It took Jon Stewart and his guys to find this? For shame!

  76. If Hannity did that, he should be condemned. However, the fact that Jon Stewart did it, doesn’t detract from the continual misinformation that Jon Stewart markets…

    Another leftist hack that markets himself as fair.

  77. “That doesn’t mean the religion itself or the entire mass of followers are. Over and over again people cherry pick to their respected advantage the histories,policies and outlier items of all religions.”

    I guess Mo-bomb-ed cherry picked when he when on his conquest across the Middle East in the name of islam, huh?

  78. “Having said that, this is a war that moderate Muslims, secular Muslim, peace loving Muslims, want ever you want to call them must wage internally. If they can’t flush out their own bad ilk, then it is a given that sooner or later, the United States and its allies will be forced for preservation sake to declare war on Islam.”

    Tex, the thing is, the qur’an and ahadiths are on the side of the “radicals”. The ones being misled are the so-called “moderates” into thinking their “religion” is a tolerant, peaceful one. Yes, they be peaceful and tolerant, but its not because of islam, its despite of it.

  79. Windsor, Ontario: Police chief apologizes to Muslims for offending them during FBI arrests

    Now can we get an apology from the Muslim community for aiding and abetting jihadists? “Windsor police chief Gary Smith apologizes to Islamic community for ‘offending’ their beliefs during FBI arrests,” from The Windsor Star, November 12 (thanks to Simeon):

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/11/windsor-ontario-police-chief-apologize-to-muslims-for-offending-them-during-fbi-arrests.html

    Again, why is the West so afraid of offending muslims? Got an answer Alfie?

  80. Parents say son was tormented for eating salami sandwich during Ramadan

    The Daily Telegraph

    November 13, 2009 12:01am

    A SYDNEY couple has withdrawn their two children from a public primary school, claiming their 11-year-old son was bullied by Muslim students because he ate a salami sandwich during Ramadan.

    Andrew Grigoriou said yesterday he complained to the school and to police after his son Antonios was chased and later assaulted by Muslim students after a confrontation over the contents of his lunch, The Daily Telegraph reports.

    Antonios, a Year 5 student of Greek-Australian background at Punchbowl Public School in Sydney’s southwest, said he and a friend had to be locked inside the library for an hour after being chased by a group of Muslim boys offended by his choice of food while they were fasting.

    http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26343471-421,00.html

    Hmmmm maybe thats why people are afraid of offending muslims, they tend to get violent.

  81. Man arrested for ‘anti-Christian mall disturbance’ to appear in court again Thursday
    Deputy DA keeps bail at $27K, orders Hasim to stay away from Stoneridge Shopping Center

    by Emily West
    Pleasanton Weekly Staff

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    Deputy District Attorney Ronda Theisen requested the bail for Abdul Walid Hamid stay at $27,000 as the 22-year-old man was arraigned Tuesday morning on charges of battery, grand theft, exhibition of a deadly weapon and a possible hate crime.

    Police arrested 22-year-old Hamid of Hayward Wednesday evening after he reportedly robbed a man and scared others at Stoneridge Shopping Center.

    Calling it a bizarre case, Theisen also asked that Hamid, who is still in custody, be ordered to stay out of the mall if he does post bail and leaves jail.

    Through an interpreter, Hamid requested a public defender and was scheduled to appear in court at 9 a.m. Thursday where he is expected to enter a plea.

    According to reports, Hamid was yelling “Allah is power” and “Islam is great” while holding a pen in a fist over his head and witnesses said he had been shouting anti-Christian comments.

    Pleaanton Police Lt. Mike Elerick said the man was not provoked and didn’t threaten violence, but he committed robbery when he grabbed and broke a crucifix off a man’s neck.

    Police said they weren’t aware of a prior criminal history for the man.

    “We had multiple people calling 911,” Elerick said. “One female was crouching down and hiding from him. He definitely scared quite a few people.”

    http://www.pleasantonweekly.com/news/show_story.php?id=2916

    Seems they do get all intolerant and violent when offended.

  82. If Hannity did that, he should be condemned.

    Well, I’m sorry to tell you there was no “if” about it. Of course, Hannity said it was an editing “error”. Whatever.

  83. Yes, they be peaceful and tolerant, but its not because of islam, its despite of it.

    So is that your answer to comment 19? Is Jasser a peaceful man in spite of Islam?

    By the way, you now have two simple questions, you have not answered. 19 and 114 (what does SJS stand for?)

  84. Seems they do get all intolerant and violent when offended.

    This is exactly why your arguments about Islam lack credibility. “They” get all violent? Address Fort Hood and specific incidences and Islam’s effect on them and you’re on decent footing. Make dumbass statements like “They get all violent” and you’re a bigot. Plain and simple.

  85. Islamophobiaphobia

    That dread epithet: “Islamophobic!” It seems nearly every measure is taken to avoid it. Even discussing the obvious, such as “Perhaps Nidal Hasan did what he did because of his Islamic convictions” can land a label of libel for the good-willed.

    But, praise God, people are finally catching onto this disease, this politically correctitis leading to paralysis by fear and ultimately terminal niceness. According to Dorothy Rabinowitz, author of an opinion article on the Wall Street Journal:

    What is hard to ignore, now, is the growing derangement on all matters involving terrorism and Muslim sensitivities. Its chief symptoms: a palpitating fear of discomfiting facts and a willingness to discard those facts and embrace the richest possible variety of ludicrous theories as to the motives behind an act of Islamic terrorism. All this we have seen before but never in such naked form. The days following the Fort Hood rampage have told us more than we want to know, perhaps, about the depth and reach of this epidemic.

    This article is an excellent read. Highly suggested. And, in order to further battle the incidence ratio of this disease, I would like to fully quote Imam Aulaqi, the man who presided over the burial of Major Hasan’s mother and who seemingly influenced his theology:

    http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2009/11/islamophobiaphobia.html

  86. It Isn’t Political Correctness; It’s Shariah
    By Pamela Geller
    In surveying the cultural carnage in the wake of the worst terrorist attack on a military installation in U.S. history, it bears noting that there have been seismic shifts in America. When America was free of the shackles of Islam, say, fifty years ago, the current response to such an attack by an enemy faction would have been unthinkable.

    I have watched in abject horror the elites’ stunning reaction to this act of war. The denial, the submission, the excuses, the dodging, the self-flagellation, the shame — the deceiving of the American people by the media, the military, society, law enforcement, authorities and politicians, all the way up to and including the White House — amounts to the enforcement of Shariah law.

    Shariah law forbids criticism of Islam. And here we are.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/it_isnt_political_correctness.html

  87. Qur’an (5:51) – “O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.”

  88. Is anyone at all curious about the abundance of misinformation that came out of Fort Hood in the immediate aftermath of the incident? Hasan was dead (ehhh, no he wasn’t), there were two additional co-conspirators (ehhh, no there weren’t), the woman who brought Hasan down was killed (ehhh, no she wasn’t).

    And now the kicker, it is unclear whether Munley brought Hasan down at all.

    The inability to get the truth out of the military on what happened seems consistent with the military’s inability to deal with the facts about Hasan before it happened.

  89. “R”,

    Okay, Hannity’s editing should be condemned. Don’t even need to watch it.

    Now, when are you going to take Bomba and Co. to task for their lying about the number of jobs created like the Boston Globe just revealed? And when are you going to comment about the size of the Tea Party crowd that descended on Washington recently, which was minimized by the lamestream press. Oh, and when is Jon “Fairness” Stewart going to admit the blatant lies?

    See what I mean about double standards? And you’re listening this to form your opinions. Do you understand why I think you might be biased in judgment?

  90. Hasan Rutherford, 😉

    I’ll bet you 10-1 this minute that at the end of deliberation, your brother was a Muslim radical and that you’ll try to ignore that?

    Should we cast a bet?

  91. Rutherford,

    You slept in history class.

    The Nazi party dreamed of a neo-pagan religion that embraced old Germanic folklore.

    Obviously, this was a hard sell, even for the Nazis.

    Hitler was raised a Catholic. He went after the Catholic political party and embraced Prussian Lutheranism solely for convenience. I could tell you why if you really care.

    Hitler didn’t see things religiously. Everything was race based. Everything.

    In fact, the Nazi’s had a deep interest in the “Aryans” of Persia (The word “Iran” means Aryan). Their racial science being as goofy as it was,for awhile, the Nazi’s even set up an Iranian Nazi party in Tehran….swastika arm bands and all.

    To say that Nazism was some sort a manifestation of Christianity is real moronic, dude.

    Why do you feel the need to find a Christian counterpart to the jihad movement so bad that you grasp for ahistorical straws to the point of embarrassing yourself?

  92. @Elric’s Again, why is the West so afraid of offending muslims? Got an answer Alfie?

    At no time in my life have I made any excuse or uttered support for multiculturalism and political correctness. I am the epitome of my mantras.
    SOVEREIGNTY MATTERS and MONOCULTURALISM.
    So on a personal note I have no need to offer an answer but yet there it is.

  93. There is something to say about Jon Stewart regards “reporting” on the DC gatherings. He did actually identify and admit/report that the large turnout was indeed the 9/12 event. I imagine theres a number of msm types that would cut their tongue out before admitting that.

    “The dress” Sorry R I’ve seen too much from too many sources and angles to believe there was Adobe-spiracy afoot. In fairness I’ll buy into the thought I saw at a fashion site. She was actually trying to bring a little color to the day,a positiveness. I think that is ok if she went somewhere with live veterans but not Arlington.

  94. Elric I know you love the whole abrogation thing. What of 5:69 or 5:82
    YUSUFALI: Those who believe (in the Qur’an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians and the Christians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness,- on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
    PICKTHAL: Lo! those who believe, and those who are Jews, and Sabaeans, and Christians – Whosoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right – there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve.
    SHAKIR: Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabians and the Christians whoever believes in Allah and the last day and does good– they shall have no fear nor shall they grieve.
    YUSUFALI: Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, “We are Christians”: because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.
    PICKTHAL: Thou wilt find the most vehement of mankind in hostility to those who believe (to be) the Jews and the idolaters. And thou wilt find the nearest of them in affection to those who believe (to be) those who say: Lo! We are Christians. That is because there are among them priests and monks, and because they are not proud.
    SHAKIR: Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly.

  95. Never mentioned about Mo-bomb-ed “cherry picking” when he went on his jihad across the Middle East. No surprise. Everyone never wants to talk about islam’s founder for some strange reason. As if he doesnt mean much to the islamic “faith”

  96. Does Islam Breed Violence?
    By Amil Imani

    There is a division of the house. On one side are the politically correct in government, the leftist mainstream media, and a raft of Islamist apologists. One and all are tripping over each other in reassuring us the mass murderers such as Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan and suicide-bombers who detonate their explosive vests in crowded marketplaces and even mosques are individual anomalies and Islam is not responsible for what they do.

    On the other side are those fed up with the innumerable daily horrific acts throughout the world that are clearly committed under the banner of Islam. In all fairness, there needs to be a distinction. Numerous criminal acts are also committed on a daily basis by non-Muslims. The critical difference is that non-Muslim criminals do not hoist a religious banner to justify their misdeeds, while the Muslims proudly claim that they commit their heinous acts in obedience to the dictates of their religious faith.

    Would someone please explain what motivated Nidal Hasan, who at taxpayers’ expense was educated from college all the way through medical school and post medical-school training, to turn his deadly weapons against the nation that gave him everything he had?

    If Islam had nothing to do with what Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan did, then why:

    * did he repeatedly preach the ascendancy of Islam over the U.S. Constitution?

    * did he publicly support Islamic suicide-bombing?

    * did he proclaim his highest loyalty to Islam?

    * was he in contact with violent anti-U.S. Islamists and a virulent Yemeni Imam?

    * did he distribute copies of the Quran to people the morning of his bloody attack?

    * did he keep screaming “Allahu akbar” as he heartlessly sprayed over a hundred bullets, killing thirteen and injuring some thirty innocent men and women?

    Here is the truth, as bitter as it may be: Islam is the culprit. Islam is anything but a religion of peace. Violence is at the very core of Islam. Violence is institutionalized in the Muslims’ holy book, the Quran, in many suras:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/does_islam_breed_violence.html

    Why yes it does

  97. OK Alfie, my bad. The video I saw was of Michelle at the Fort Hood memorial where she did wear black.

    I may be splitting hairs but Veterans Day, unlike Memorial Day, is not to honor war dead. It’s to honor all folks who have served, now alive or dead. Was her coat the best thing to wear to a cemetery? Perhaps not but it did not disrespect the occasion.

  98. Everyone never wants to talk about islam’s founder for some strange reason.

    WTF? I’m now beginning to understand why you confine yourself to “snappy” one liners after you quote other people. I’ve held my tongue but you’ve made several doozy writing errors today alone.

    How ’bout “No one ever …” ?

  99. I’ll bet you 10-1 this minute that at the end of deliberation, your brother was a Muslim radical and that you’ll try to ignore that?

    That bet is a non-starter. I’ve heard enough to conclude that Hasan was what I’d prefer to call a “radicalized” Muslim. My comments regarding misinformation were not to imply that Hasan was not religiously motivated. It was more to question whether our military is turning into the Keystone Kops.

  100. Tex, regarding Tea Party crowd estimates … they’re starting to remind me of other types of statistics. Everyone makes up their own number to prove their point. I’ll judge the accuracy of the estimate by the source and sorry dude …. I’ll believe the New York Post before I’ll believe Fox News. 😉

  101. Rutherford,

    I’m shocked you haven’t written a Carrie Prejean hate post to follow up your trilogy of hating good looking Conservative women.

    Man, what a babe she is… 😉 If Carrie came over to my house in a two piece white bathing suit, I’d leave everything I had if I could go with her for about a week.

  102. Isnt that like sending a pedophile to a NAMBLA meeting?

    Actually, no. Sending a nutjob Muslim to religious classes to try to enlighten him to the ways of peaceful religious practice is the same as sending a pedo to group therapy to get at the root of his deviant desire.

  103. Well “R”,

    I guess were going to find out who is right about what the public thinks in 2010. IUnless Republicans choose to pull defeat from the jaws of overwhelming victory, I feel a major ass kicking coming down the pike.

    I’m willing to wait until then to have my point proven.

  104. Let me ask the thread a some questions that touche on a number of things here.
    1. Hassan better be tried by the military in my opinion and he should be also charged with sedition and or treason and subject to the death penalty. Am I wrong here ?
    2. How many people in the Army chain of command need to be fired ?
    3. Can I (and more importantly the family of the Ft Hood victims) get a refund for the 9/11 Commission. Holy crap what a total waste that all was.

  105. 1. Hassan better be tried by the military in my opinion and he should be also charged with sedition and or treason and subject to the death penalty. Am I wrong here ?

    No, but will it happen? Doubt it
    2. How many people in the Army chain of command need to be fired ?

    All and give the new chain some Robert Spencer books and qur’ans to read.

    3. Can I (and more importantly the family of the Ft Hood victims) get a refund for the 9/11 Commission. Holy crap what a total waste that all was.

    Not only we learned nothing but actually moved backwards.

  106. “reread my comment Elric I repeated myself ad nauseum about Mohammed leading a conquest.”

    So did Mo-bomb-ed “cherry pick” or did he represent real islam when he conquered and oppressed in the name of islam? After all, he was the founder.

  107. Elric the forfeiture proceedings have nothing to do with terror or Ft Hood or anything other than US /Iran pissing match. Sure they’re shell entities advancing the cause of Iran but their roots go back to the days of the Shah.
    You want to impress someone and or make the country safe look at seizing Sunni/Wahabbi mosques not the Shia ones.

  108. “He represented himself.”

    LOL Wow, that was the cop out of cop outs. Well I couldnt expect any less from you. After all, if you admit Mo-bomb-ed represented true islam (What a crazy concept) then that would be conceding that groups like al-Qaeda are the real muslims. You rather play the apologist game, I understand.

  109. “You want to impress someone and or make the country safe look at seizing Sunni/Wahabbi mosques not the Shia ones.”

    Seize them all. Shia islam is just as nasty as sunni islam.

  110. If Carrie came over to my house in a two piece white bathing suit, I’d leave everything I had if I could go with her for about a week.

    Heck, Tex, just ask her to send you a copy of the sex tape. 😉

    I’ll give you a clue why Carrie doesn’t rate blogworthy in my book. Unlike that other beauty pageant vet, Carrie won’t ever be Governor of anything (well …. maybe Guam). It is precisely because Ms. Palin and Ms. Bachmann are in a position where they can influence warp impressionable minds that they demand constant scrutiny and criticism. If Bachmann runs again in 2010, I shall do all in my limited power to see that she is defeated. 👿

  111. Rutherford,

    Will labioplasty be covered under Barack Pelosi Care? 😛

    Tell me you don’t let your wife read these blogs anymore?

  112. 1. Hassan better be tried by the military in my opinion and he should be also charged with sedition and or treason and subject to the death penalty. Am I wrong here ?

    No, but will it happen? Doubt it
    It is already established that he will be tried by military tribunal and the death penalty is definitely on the table. You won’t need to add on sedition/treason, Dead is dead and he will probably be executed if convicted of the 13 counts of pre-med murder already on him.
    2. How many people in the Army chain of command need to be fired ?

    All and give the new chain some Robert Spencer books and qur’ans to read.
    Don’t limit it to the military chain of command. Let’s toss in a couple of Fed agents and CIA personnel while we’re at it. The last thing we need to give them is a book by Spencer who has devoted so much of his life to Muslim bashing that he seems to me a total loon.

    3. Can I (and more importantly the family of the Ft Hood victims) get a refund for the 9/11 Commission. Holy crap what a total waste that all was.

    Not only we learned nothing but actually moved backwards.
    It is a fallacy that these commissions (e.g. 9/11) will prevent future problems. They serve to explain what happened and get some kind of closure. The scary truth is that it is particularly difficult to stop a lone gunman from doing harm. Conspiracies are easier to stop. Even though Hasan communicated with this Imam, I don’t yet believe he was following “marching orders”.

  113. but how would you answer this question, and how would you build on perfection?

    LOL that Carrie Prejean really has you steamed up tonight doesn’t she? I’m not sure what the “question” is.

    Let’s just say this issue is hardly limited to women. Just the other night I was enjoying the Reunion special of my fav guilty pleasure “Real Housewives of Atlanta”, and the resident gay friend, Dwight, admitted to having had a penile enlargement done.

    My attitude is whatever makes you feel good about yourself. I haven’t seen Carrie’s sex tape. Are you suggesting she may have a bit of a “lip” issue? 😯

  114. Will labioplasty be covered under Barack Pelosi Care? 😛

    Tell me you don’t let your wife read these blogs anymore?

    Well, there is talk of how insurance coverage is male oriented (like Viagra covered while some feminine products are not).

    As for my wife, like you, I am totally p-whipped so I don’t “tell” my wife to do anything. She’s gotten to the point where she doesn’t have the patience for the threads anymore, She reads the articles and leaves it at that.

  115. No surgery needed. They need to just sit on the Rabbit’s face and let the silly Rabbit prove they are beautiful just the way they are.

  116. Unless Republicans choose to pull defeat from the jaws of overwhelming victory, I feel a major ass kicking coming down the pike.

    Well first, if Sarah Palin continues to hold sway on GOP opinion, we shall see an entire parade of Doug Hoffman’s come down the line and get defeated. So yes, the Repub’s are capable of turning the lemonade back into lemons.

    However, history is on your side Tex. If the economy does not show serious signs of recovery by next summer (i.e. real job growth), incumbents will get their asses handed to them. That spells trouble for the Dem’s.

  117. Recanvassing shows NY-23 race tightens even as Rep. Bill Owens is sworn into House seat

    Gorilla, this one really puzzles me. Why is a re-canvassing going on in the first place? I thought Hoffman conceded. Re-canvassing takes money and I thought such money was only spent by the person challenging the election results which Hoffman did not do.

  118. Carrie might have a “lip” issue. Don’t care…If she does, I’ll return to school just to become a cosmetic surgeon.

    I guess I’ve always been of the belief this is one area where you and I should be in complete agreement. Your libido is your defining quality.

  119. In an act of self preservation, I think I may have pulled off one of my biggest stunts of all time.

    Thanks to me, as of right now, the contract is set to be reworded concerning tie breakers for seniority. I was hired after a massive buy out.

    I even engineered this change to the point of now being able to say “I heard” when talking about the very piece of “legislation” I initiated.

    Those bitches thought they had the Rabbit trapped.

    Must control hubris…..play it cool.

    I’m even nervous about posting it here for some reason…

    Mowwawwwwwawwwww!

  120. R,

    They’re not done counting, namely absentee ballots. Conceding doesn’t mean he didn’t win, just that he is not challenging the results.

  121. Blind passenger hounded off bus because of his dog
    By Paul Cassell
    June 03, 2009

    A driver told a blind cancer sufferer to get off his bus when a woman and her children became hysterical at the sight of his guide dog.

    George Herridge, 71, told how the mum flew into a rage and shouted at him in a foreign language. A passenger explained she wanted him to get off the bus during the incident on May 20.

    Mr Herridge, from Tern Close, Tilehurst, said: “Her child was kicking and screaming and someone off the bus told me her child was frightened of my dog. The driver said, ‘Look mate, can’t you get off?’

    “I stood my ground. I had not done anything, my dog had not done anything and I was getting off the bus for no one.”

    http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2051804_blind_passenger_hounded_off_bus_because_of_his_dog

    islam has no tolerance.

  122. No surgery needed. They need to just sit on the Rabbit’s face and let the silly Rabbit prove they are beautiful just the way they are.

    Well that was erotic and romantic side of you we’ve never seen DR lol
    ————— Off-topic not related to DR———–
    Carrier isn’t worth getting with. She’d just flipflop and when you brag about the sex, she’d deny it making you look like a douchebag (or a teabagger). TMZ apparently had the sex tape for a while now but it was too raunchy even they didn’t want to show it. Based on the screenshots from the video, she’s just another one of those Cancun spring break chicks.

  123. Somebody tell Densico that while Carrie obviously exposed and a dingbat, she’s a hot body and lusted for by millions of men – something that Densico can’t possibly comprehend.

    Densico’s creed? “um, me so horny…” Bet that hole knows a lot about douche bags, as it speaks of it often Ain’t nobody going to be watching that film, though – lest it be to snuff someone.

    Nasty to even think about…

  124. I feel like I’m going to be the only one here that never found anything Monty Python to be funny….

    Well Sensico, I’ve always found that the joy of Python tends to be in the re-telling of Python sketches. They seem to grow in their hilarity as you recite them with someone also knowledgeable of the dialog. In high school I had friends who could run through skits verbatim. I was not enough of a devotee to pull that off.

    Probably my all time favorite is from Holy Grail where the knight simply refuses to die, continuing to fight as each of his limbs is sliced off. 🙂 (“It’s just a flesh wound!”)

  125. OK, Elric here’s the deal.

    For the past few months I’ve been gracious and tolerant enough to let you use my blog as your own personal newspaper, lining the bottom of the parrot cage (you are a parrot, after all) catching all your link droppings on a regular basis. In return for that, you have decided to play this little game where you address comments to everyone but the blog owner and you refuse to answer the simplest of the blog owner’s questions.

    So the matter is now very simple. If I don’t see a direct answer (addressed to me, not Tex) to comments 19 and 114 by 11pm EST tomorrow (Friday), the locks shall be changed and you can count this blog as yet another in a long line of blogs you’ve been banned from. While I won’t miss all the link-droppings one bit, it would be kind of a shame since you entertain and inspire at least a couple of my other readers. So for their sake Elric, do the right thing, and treat the blog owner with a minimum of respect and act at least a bit like an adult.

  126. “In return for that, you have decided to play this little game where you address comments to everyone but the blog owner and you refuse to answer the simplest of the blog owner’s questions.”

    Sucks doesnt it hypocrite?

    “the locks shall be changed and you can count this blog as yet another in a long line of blogs you’ve been banned from. ”

    Long line???

    “So for their sake Elric, do the right thing, and treat the blog owner with a minimum of respect and act at least a bit like an adult.”

    Pot calling the kettle black? I forgot, you are a lib, you have different standards for others than yourself.

  127. Pelosi: It’s “fair” to jail people who don’t buy health insurance
    Thursday, November 12, 2009, 1:13 PM
    John Infidelesto

    “How to destroy freedom” by liberal democrats, case study 335…

    Stone: Do you think it’s fair to send people to jail who don’t buy health insurance?

    Pelosi: … The legislation is very fair in this respect.

  128. The Myths of Islam

    Muslims often complain of the popular “misconceptions” about their religion in the West.

    We took a hard look, however, and found that the most deeply held myths of Islam are the ones generated by Muslims and Western apologists. The only glaring exception to this is the misconception that all Muslims are alike (they aren’t, of course), but even Muslims fall into this as well, as evidenced by the various contrary factions insisting that they are the true Muslims, while those who disagree with them are either infidels, hijackers, or hypocrites.

    Don’t be fooled! Hear the myths, but know the truth.

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Myths-of-Islam.htm

  129. well what’s between you and R had nothing to do with why I wont bother answering your question. That’s not an excuse not to answer R’s question. R is rather nice cause if you pulled this link dropping shit on my and other blogs, you’d be banned after one or two days. I don’t even know why you’re even here.

    As far as Tex is concerned, I’ll let his comment speak for itself. Why Tex is obsessed with the sexual side of me, is more like an issue he needs to hash out in therapy, couples counseling, with medication. *shrugs*

  130. Couldnt answer a simple question Densico? We know why you couldnt answer. Its because you arent that bright and cant think independently. Its a rather easy question to answer if you truly think islam is a peaceful tolerant “religion”. Come on and put me in my place and prove me wrong Densico. You cant start by showing me how Mo-bomb-ed was such a peaceful tolerant “prophet”, like Jesus was. We know you cant so you dont bother answering. Is that what they teach you in college? When you cant answer a simple question, ignore it so you dont look even more stupid?

  131. “Its because you arent that bright and cant think independently. ”

    I honestly didn’t bother to read your comment, but are you serious?? cause all you do is post links to other ppl’s posts…that’s anything but thinking independently.

  132. Large group of supporters for Boston jihad suspect who likes beheadings (video)
    By creeping

    …and he wants to go out in a blaze of glory rather than go to prison. An update to these previous posts.

    Tarek Mehanna, the twice-arrested Boston-area Muslim who wanted to blow up shopping malls, and kill two members of the executive branch (president and vice president?) was in court yesterday. Yet Muslims in the U.S., once again, are not denouncing the Islamic terror suspect, rather they are SUPPORTING him.

    http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2009/11/13/large-group-of-supporters-for-boston-jihad-suspect-who-likes-beheadings-video/#more-13625

    Awesome

  133. Has it occurred to anyone that the real reason the cowards “progressives” are hesitant to call Hasan a Muslim radical or Muslim terrorist, is that Muslims have become much like a large part of the black demographic?

    In crowing victimhood even though they commit a majority of the most vicious crime, in this case terrorism, the cowards “progressives” have created a huge voting bloc for the morally bankrupt Democratic party by continuing to pander for the Muslim vote. Liberal Democrats recognize useful idiots when they see them and by catering, even inviting events like Ft. Hood with their political correctness nature, virtually guarantee many a vote for the Obama gang. So there is no way that lamestream press or gov’t are going to say anything to offend – even though the truth couldn’t be more obvious.

    The progressive wing of the Democratic party will continue to sell America’s well being to remain in power at any cost, because this is their own form of sharia. It is easier to understand why then it is so difficult for them to use the word “Muslim terrorist”. Liberal Democrats don’t care who dies as long as it isn’t them and they can maintain the political advantage.

    9/11 was only an event for the cowards “progressives” as noted by their reaction because it occurred in a liberal city and they for a time thought their own asses were next. Once they realized their own safety, it was back to corruption, lying and deceiving as usual.

  134. Don’t care…If she does, I’ll return to school just to become a cosmetic surgeon.

    Funny that you say that since I don’t think most men realize that OBGYN’s see women’s special parts at their absolute worst. I have to wonder how some of them can go home and even touch their wives after what they see in the office.

  135. Rochester, NY: Muslim intentionally tries to run down people with his car

    Police are scratching their heads and wondering what Munir Muthana’s motive could possibly be. And of course, maybe it had nothing to do with jihad at all. But this is — as far as I know — the fourth incident in the U.S. in recent years in which a Muslim intentionally tried to run down people with his car.

    Mohammed Reza Taheri-Azar explicitly grounded his action in the teachings of the Koran. If he had not done this, however, I’m sure the mainstream media would have constructed a non-Islamic explanation for what he did. Omeed Aziz Popal, we were told, was suffering from stress from an arranged marriage. And Ismail Yassin Mohamed, we were informed, was mentally ill, suffered from depression, and hadn’t being taking his medication.

    And now we have Munir Muthana. What will the explanation be? Look, maybe the explanations offered for Omeed Popal and Ismail Mohamed are perfectly accurate, but it is a mounting series of curious coincidences that these Muslims seem to have become unhinged in exactly the same way and expressed their madness in exactly the same way.

    Can someone please send me stories about non-Muslims intentionally trying to run people down with their cars? Perhaps they will help put all this into perspective. Please send links to director[at]jihadwatch.org.

    “Several Injuries After Driver Goes After Pedestrians,” from WHAM News, November 12 (thanks to Mike G.):

    A Rochester man is facing numerous charges, accused of trying to run down people with his car on Thursday afternoon.

    Police say they were flagged down by people in southwest Rochester, at a parking lot in front of 700 S. Plymouth Avenue.Tthey [sic] say the driver of a Nissan Maxima had struck another car as well as several pedestrians.

    The officer tried to pull the vehicle over, but the suspect’s car then hit the police cruiser and kept going. Eventually, the Maxima struck a resident’s car at Jefferson Avenue and W. Main and then hit a second police car at Jefferson and Clifton. The chase eventually ended on South Plymouth near Genesee where the suspect hit another resident’s car.

    Altogether, seven people, including the suspect were taken to the hospital for minor injuries, but police spokesman LaRon Singletary says it could have been a lot worse…

    The suspect is identified as 27 year old Munir Muthana of Rochester. He faces numerous charges including assault and vehicular assault. there’s no other word right now on a possible motive.

    Yes, it takes awhile to think those things up!

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/11/rochester-ny-muslim-intentionally-tries-to-run-down-people-with-his-car.html

  136. as evidenced by the various contrary factions insisting that they are the true Muslims, while those who disagree with them are either infidels, hijackers, or hypocrites.

    But isn’t this the hallmark of all religions to some degree or another? Each one claims to have THE answer and everyone else is lost. And within each religion are factions that disagree about the proper way to worship. This is hardly unique to Islam.

  137. So is Densico required to answer post #15 or does she get a free pass because she is a drone?

    Well Elric, this may sound selfish to you but I don’t spend much time regulating how you guys treat each other although I sometimes pipe in if I think things have gotten too nasty. However I will regulate how you treat me. I think you would admit that I’ve given you plenty of latitude. I’m particularly annoyed about your refusal to address comment 19 because I want you to address the conduct of a particular human being … this Dr. Jasser. I want to understand how you reconcile individual behavior with this group-mentality that you constantly promote. It was a fair question. As for 114, one would think that question would be real easy for you … and your refusal to answer that one tells me “I’m going to squat on your blog and not pay you the time of day.” That ain’t gonna happen.

    As for Sensico, you two adults work it out between you.

  138. “and your refusal to answer that one tells me “I’m going to squat on your blog and not pay you the time of day”

    Pot calling the kettle black. Try answering questions instead of dodging and you will get your time. You want people to answer you but you dodge or answer with a snide comment that had nothing to do with the question. Very hypocritical of you. I tried my best so decided to treat you the same way. Guess like a good little leftist drone, you dont like it when you get a taste of your own medicine. Sucks doesnt it?

  139. Muslims with peaceful machetes and clubs attack Christian worship service in Uganda

    No word yet on when Honest Ibe Hooper and Brave Ahmed Rehab will be jetting to Kampala to explain to these Muslims how they are misunderstanding Islam, the Religion of Peace™.

    Islamic Tolerance Alert: “Muslim Extremists Attack Worship Service in Uganda,” from Compass Direct News, November 11 (thanks to all who sent this in):

    NAIROBI, Kenya, November 11 (CDN) — About 40 Muslim extremists with machetes and clubs tried to break into a Sunday worship service outside Uganda’s capital city of Kampala on Nov. 1, leaving a member of the congregation with several injuries and damaging the church building.

    Eyewitnesses said the extremist mob tried to storm into World Possessor’s Church International in Namasuba at 11 a.m. as the church worshipped.

    “The church members were taken by a big surprise, as this happened during worship time,” said Pastor Henry Zaake. “It began with an unusual noise coming from outside, and soon I saw the bricks falling away one by one. Immediately I knew that it was an attack from the Muslims who had earlier sent signals of an imminent attack.”

    The pastor said the disturbance brought the worship service to a standstill.

    “There was a tug-of-war at the entrance to the church as members tried to thwart the Muslim aggression from making headway inside the church,” he told Compass.

    A member of the congregation who was taking photos of the worship service – and then the attack – was beaten, sustaining several injuries, church leaders said. He was later taken to a nearby clinic for treatment. During the pandemonium, some church members were able to escape through a rear door.

    Pastor Umar Mulinde added that nearby residents helped repel the attack.

    “At the scene of the incident were rowdy Muslims with machetes and clubs ready to destroy the church,” Pastor Mulinde said. “The good neighbors of the church also came in, and we were able to overpower [the assailants].”

    Police arrived and put a stop to the assault, but officers did not arrest anyone, church leaders said….

    Why not?

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/11/muslims-with-peaceful-machetes-and-clubs-attack-christian-worship-service-in-uganda.html

  140. Pot calling the kettle black. Try answering questions instead of dodging and you will get your time.

    This is a curiosity. Mmmm is it that I don’t answer all your comments? You do know this would be a full time job since you comment at a 3:1 ratio (at least) compared to other readers here.

    Or is it that you don’t get the answers you want? Either way, one can hardly say I completely ignore you. If you haven’t noticed, this article actually satisfies one of your constant gripes, namely that I’ve never devoted an article to radical Islam. You get what you want and still want to hold your breath ’till you turn blue.

  141. Detroit Muslim leaders: Fort Hood attack had nothing to do with Islam

    “Islam opposes such actions as committed by Maj. (Nidal Malik) Hasan. The Qur’an considers human life sacred.”

    Well, evidently one man’s sacred is not another man’s sacred:

    “And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. ” — Qur’an 2:191

    “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.” — Qur’an 4:89

    “Others you will find that wish to gain your confidence as well as that of their people: Every time they are sent back to temptation, they succumb thereto: if they withdraw not from you nor give you (guarantees) of peace besides restraining their hands, seize them and slay them wherever ye get them: In their case We have provided you with a clear argument against them.” — Qur’an 4:91

    “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter.” — Qur’an 5:33

    “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.” — Qur’an 9:5

    “Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain…” — Qur’an 9:111

    “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks…” — Qur’an 47:4

    “Fort Hood attack unrelated to Islam, local Muslim leaders say,” by Jennifer Chambers for The Detroit News, November 13:

    Southfield — Leaders of Metro Detroit’s Muslim community gathered this morning to urge all Americans to view the Fort Hood shooting as a criminal act and unrelated to the faith of Islam.

    “Islam opposes such actions as committed by Maj. (Nidal Malik) Hasan. The Qur’an considers human life sacred,” Imam Steve Elturk of the Islamic Association of North America said Friday morning at a press conference called by the Council of Islamic Organizations of Michigan….

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/11/detroit-muslim-leaders-fort-hood-attack-had-nothing-to-do-with-islam.html

    Had everything to do with islam, not the apologist made up “radical” islam but islam. Unless islam’s “prophet” was a “radical”. Something the apologists never seem to want to give a straight answer on.

  142. Norway: An intoxicated woman on her own? She’s fair game

    Norway: An intoxicated woman on her own? She’s fair game

    It seems that most, if not all, of these rapes were committed by African asylum-seekers.

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    16 of the 17 aggravated rapes and rape attempts in Stavanger (Norway) in the past two years were committed by men of non-Western background. Of the 18 men involved, only one was ethnic Norwegian. The violent rapes included six ‘taxi rapes’ [ed: these caused the police to advise women not to get into taxis alone].

    Police sergeant Tor Erik Riska Thorsen of the Rogaland police district specializes in investigating sexual attacks. He thinks the explanation for why non-Western men are overrepresented in the statistics is simple: An primitive attitude towards women and little openness for sexuality.

    Many of the immigrants in Rogaland come from remote areas where a prehistoric attitude towards women is still alive and well, explains Thorsen. This attitude is carried by the men to other countries.

    “When a lightly dressed, intoxicated woman gets in alone into a taxi, the starting point is that she’s already sinned. A Muslim woman can’t do that. Those who attacked and raped women in the street thought that they were within their rights. They saw an intoxicated woman without an escort. She’s then considered fair game in some Muslim communities. And by their own perception, the men think that women have no value as witnesses in a criminal case,” says Thorsen.

    http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2009/11/norway-intoxicated-woman-on-her-own.html

    Lets give a shout out to multiculturalism and “fair game”

  143. Elric your premise regarding Islam seems to be that it all rises or falls on Mohammed. So would you also agree that Mormonism rises and falls on Joseph Smith, about whom lots of very unpleasant stuff has been written (e.g. a pedophile con man for starters).

    If the “prophet” defines the religion then aren’t there religions besides Islam that don’t hold up too well?

  144. Tex, so your theory is that liberal politicians stay silent so they’ll get the Muslim vote?

    I quickly found a study

    http://www.allacademic.com//meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/2/0/8/9/3/pages208934/p208934-1.php

    that showed that Bush enjoyed substantial Muslim support in 2000 but lost that support by 2004. Primary cause appeared to be our intervention in Iraq. This same study noted that most Muslims identify themselves as moderate to conservative.

    I would argue that liberals tend to be more obsessed with political correctness than conservatives but it has little to do with trying to win a voting bloc.

  145. Muslims Take Over Paris Street for Prayer~Video

    Muslims takeover a city street, while dropping to pray in front of dozens of storefronts. Even directing traffic with their own self appointed policeman. Is this the “tolerant” part of Islam, that we keep hearing about?

  146. Rutherford the Muslims in America are overwhelmingly values voters hence their previous support of GOP. I don’t share your view that liberals do the pc thing without an eye on voter blocs. I’d actually kick it up a notch and say that is exactly why they do it and that they do it out of an arrogance in their pursuit of power. That is one of the reasons it is so sickening.
    Elric you get far and away more answers than you give. I have to say you are very closed minded regards actual history. You didn’t like the “he represented himself” That’s just so pathetic. Look at any tyrant through history and they have used similar tactics. The more I look at Islam I see a real albeit silly religion that was born out of an ideology concocted for domination. Mohammed wasn’t trying to start a religion as much as he was trying to start an empire. This helps explain the Sunni Shia split the proceeding wars and the fall of the empire that had been created. I’d go on but seriously there is no way you care to even entertain the possibility and will just throw out more of the horror stories. Your failure to detach and rationalize makes you and those like you as dangerous as those you rail against.

  147. “You didn’t like the “he represented himself” That’s just so pathetic”

    No Afie that answer was pathetic. But then you are an apologist for islam so you cant even bring yourself to admit that Mo-bomb-ed set the standard for islam.

    “Mohammed wasn’t trying to start a religion as much as he was trying to start an empire.”

    He did both. He started an empire based on “religious” doctrine. That is why islam is the only religion with a full legal code.

    “Your failure to detach and rationalize makes you and those like you as dangerous as those you rail against.”

    No, that would be your kind. Me? I would have recognized the behavior of Hasan as a true blue devoted muslim that posed a real danger. Your kind would have branded me an “islamophobe”.

    Your kind help set the mindset that got those soldiers killed. Deal with it.

  148. Alright Elric its about time someone tells you everything you so badly need to hear.
    First fuck you you fucking retard. You are an Islamaphobe because you are so freaking ignorant and too busy having Spencers jizz in you to have anything resembling a different kind of grey matter in your skull that can actually generate synaptic responses.
    You don’t know shit about me. My kind? Fuckhead you’re pathetic. My kind actually would’ve stood up and seen the likes of Hassan into the UCMJ process a long time ago. My kind would have done it to the letter of the law and caught him without screwing over every other service member who just happens to believe in the Quran. In reality I imagine you to be the kind of twerp that would be bullying a unit translator who is kind of geeky as opposed to standing up to anyone else.
    Again you are so devoid of intellect. You fail to see,and never ever will see, that if you stacked Mohammed up side by side with say Hitler or Kim Jong Il you get a classic pattern of mass control and motivation. Absolutely Mo was no Christ but you should probably try to remember that back in the day there were plenty of people that wanted Christ to be what turned out to be.

  149. “First fuck you you fucking retard. You are an Islamaphobe because you are so freaking ignorant and too busy having Spencers jizz in you to have anything resembling a different kind of grey matter in your skull that can actually generate synaptic responses.”

    My my. Taking some pointers from DOIAD? 🙂

    “My kind actually would’ve stood up and seen the likes of Hassan into the UCMJ process a long time ago.”

    Sure you would.

    “My kind would have done it to the letter of the law and caught him without screwing over every other service member who just happens to believe in the Quran.”

    Would that be the same quran that motivated Hasan and his jihadist buddies Alfie?

    “You fail to see,and never ever will see, that if you stacked Mohammed up side by side with say Hitler or Kim Jong Il you get a classic pattern of mass control and motivation.”

    Hmmmm…so its wrong to look up to Hitler and Kim Jong Ill but its ok to look up to Mo-bomb-ed? Is that what you are trying to say?

    “Absolutely Mo was no Christ but you should probably try to remember that back in the day there were plenty of people that wanted Christ to be what turned out to be.”

    No, he was a pedophile, a slave trader, an oppressor of women and non muslims and those were his good qualities. You are right, he was no Christ.

  150. Aisha said, “I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!

    Quote from Mo-bomb-ed’s child bride. Even she knew how women suffer under islam.

    Opps was that “islamophobic” of me to point out?

  151. “Absolutely Mo was no Christ but you should probably try to remember that back in the day there were plenty of people that wanted Christ to be what turned out to be.”

    This is a really interesting comment. So whats Alfie is trying to say is that Christians wanted Jesus to be the kind, compassionate, tolerant guy that he was while muslims wanted Mo-bomb-ed to be that oppressive, pedophile, homicidal slave owner that he was.

    Interesting to say the least.

  152. Rutherford,

    that showed that Bush enjoyed substantial Muslim support in 2000 but lost that support by 2004. Primary cause appeared to be our intervention in Iraq. This same study noted that most Muslims identify themselves as moderate to conservative.

    If you were to determine the black bloc vote by simply people who would define themselves conservative on social issues like abortion and gay marriage, blacks should be voting in even greater numbers than Muslims for Republican candidates. But we know that doesn’t happen. Why?

    There is an overriding issue which you won’t admit to – self servitude and promised benefit.

    So if Muslims did turn their vote to the Democratic party because of Iraq, what you are telling me is that most Muslims put fellow brothers of their religion over moral issues and character? And people that vote that way because they lack character…

  153. Tex, so your theory is that liberal politicians stay silent so they’ll get the Muslim vote?

    *** GUFFAW ***

    LIbs stay silent? Are you kidding? They don’t know how to stay silent as they are the biggest mouths and traitors on the planet. No, they don’t stay silent. They will lie, shout, detract, deceive, deviate, say anything to get power.

    No, libs like you don’t silent. You propagandize…even going to far as to side with terrorists over your own country.

  154. “what you are telling me is that most Muslims put fellow brothers of their religion over moral issues and character?”

    Tex, its called the Ummah. A Pakistani muslims feels closer to a Canadian muslim than he would towards a Pakistani Christian. Nationality means nothing to a devote muslim.

  155. WARSAW, Poland — Heavily Catholic Poland has joined the Vatican in criticizing a European court ruling against the display of crucifixes in Italian schools.

    Polish President Lech Kaczynski said his country will never agree to remove crosses from its schools.

    The Nov. 3 ruling by the European Court of Human Rights does not require that Poland remove the crosses that hang in most public schools. It could, however, eventually force a review of the use of religious symbols in government-run school across Europe.

    The decision touched a nerve in Poland, where religious symbols were banned from public buildings under communist rule but embraced with the return to democracy 20 years ago as an expression of national sovereignty.

    During Independence Day celebrations on Wednesday in Warsaw, Kaczynski said that “nobody in Poland will accept the message that you can’t hang crosses in schools.”

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/11/polish-president-vows-to-never-allow-the-eu-to-remove-crucifixes-from-its-schools.html

    Jan Sobieski one of the greatest heroes in Western history was Polish too

  156. The Million Muslim March? – by Jamie Glazov

    On yesterday’s O’Reilly Factor, O’Reilly had a profound discussion about the Fort Hood massacre with Bernie Goldberg, author of the new book, A Slobbering Love Affair: The True (And Pathetic) Story of the Torrid Romance Between Barack Obama and the Mainstream Media. Goldberg is always superb and this time he narrowed in wisely on the pathologies that the Fort Hood massacre has exposed: the political correctness nurtured by the Left in our society and the disinclination of so-called “moderate” Muslims to stand up in mass numbers and denounce the likes of Nidal Malik Hasan.

    In making his point, Goldberg shrewdly asked when we are going to see a Million Muslim March take place in Washington – in which a million Muslims gather to denounce terror and declare that what Nidal Malik Hasan did was un-Islamic.

    Goldberg’s point is crucial, but we need to add to it. The key that is often missed in our nation’s discussion on Islamic terrorism is that this is not necessarily about Muslims themselves. As the scholar Robert Spencer has stressed over and over again, the problem is not Muslims, the problem is Islam – in the sense that the problem is what Islam teaches. So the crucial issue in all of this is not what this Muslim may think or that Muslim may think. It’s not about these empty arguments about whether the majority or minority of Muslims are peaceful or not.The issue is what Islamic theology mandates.

    And so the crux of the issue is this: if Islam is really a Religion of Peace and if the majority of Muslims really do support peace and reject violence, then when are they going to rise up in majority numbers and denounce the teachings within Islam that inspire and sanction the terrorism that Islamic terrorists engage in? When will they renounce the verses and teachings that Islamic terrorists point to and quote in justifying and explaining their violence?

    http://frontpagemag.com/2009/11/13/the-million-muslim-march-by-jamie-glazov/

    Good luck getting a thousand

  157. I hope you know about CAIR’s ties to terrorist organizations.

    Offhand I don’t. I heard about some connection between CAIR and Hamas but I don’t know the details. But I must say that I was tremendously underwhelmed by the performance of CAIR’s director when he appeared on MSNBC’s “Hardball”. Now is the time for moderate Muslims to be denouncing political violence, not making excuses for it.

  158. Once you realize that Muslim imams don’t care to denounce the political violence they foment, you will only then understand that it is not just a religion. It is an ideology which is incompatible with Western values and culture.

  159. CAIR leader convicted on terror charges
    Founding board member of Texas chapter funded Hamas

    A founder of the Texas chapter of a highly influential U.S. Islamic lobby group was found guilty of supporting terrorism.

    Ghassan Elashi, along with two brothers, were convicted in Dallas in 2005 of channeling funds to a high-ranking official of the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas, Mousa Abu Marzook.

    CAIR is a spin-off of the Richardson, Texas-based Islamic Association For Palestine, or IAP, which was founded by Marzook.

    Elashi was a board member of the Texas chapter of the Washington, D.C.-based Council on American Islamic Relations — the third CAIR figure to be convicted on federal terrorism charges since 9-11.

    CAIR is a spin-off of the Richardson, Texas-based Islamic Association For Palestine, or IAP, which was founded by Marzook.

    Former FBI counterterrorism chief Oliver Revell has called the IAF “a front organization for Hamas that engages in propaganda for Islamic militants.”

    http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43805

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    After my father got out of the Air Force, he landed a management position at Lockheed. He was sent to Saudi Arabia where he managed a Saudi radar installation to teach them how to defend their airspace. My mom told me later that it was a mistake to trust them; that while they smile at our faces they would be happier to stab us in the back. It fits the MO of CAIR.

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    Critics of CAIR, including six members of the U.S. House and Senate, have cited alleged ties between the CAIR founders to Hamas. The founders, Omar Ahmad and Nihad Awad, had earlier been officers of the Islamic Association of Palestine (IAP), described by a former FBI analyst and Treasury Department intelligence official as “intimately tied to the most senior Hamas leadership.”

    In May 2007, the United States filed an action against the Holy Land Foundation for providing funds to Hamas, and federal prosecutors filed pleadings listing CAIR and two other Islamic groups, as an unindicted co-conspirators, a legal designation employed for a variety of reasons including grants of immunity, pragmatic considerations, and evidentiary concerns.

    In 2008, the FBI discontinued the agency’s long-standing relationship with CAIR. Officials said the decision followed the conviction of the HLF directors for funneling millions of dollars to Hamas and that CAIR failed to provide details of its ties to Hamas.

    During a 2008 retrial of the HLF case, FBI Special Agent Lara Burns labeled CAIR “a front group for Hamas.”

    According to the New York Times, CAIR has also “raised some suspicion by accepting large donations from individuals or foundations closely identified with Arab governments” as well as accepting funds from Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal of Saudi Arabia.

    Daniel Pipes, the Anti-Defamation League and Investigative reporter Steven Emerson accuse CAIR of having ties to Hamas, terrorism and antisemitism as well as “offering a platform to conspiratorial Israel-bashers “

  160. RE:There are those who want to deport Muslims from this country, stop immigration of Muslims, and essentially outlaw the practice of the religion within the US. Nothing could be more antithetical to the essence of what it is to be an American.

    As you cite the reform of religion, with the above statement about deportation being antithetical to American values, perhaps it is time to reform some of those values to protect America.

    While it may sound extreme, it pales against the acts of Islam and to recoil at the thought of deportation reflects a failure to fully comprehend Islam and about how Muslims view us.

    There is nothing wrong with wanting to protect America at any cost.

  161. Once you realize that Muslim imams don’t care to denounce the political violence they foment

    Obviously Muslim imams who foment political violence are not the moderate Muslims I am looking to to take a stand.

    There is nothing wrong with wanting to protect America at any cost.

    It’s interesting that you say this. Before the Hasan murders occurred, I was going to write a post about whether our country needed to “re-think” our freedom of religion and freedom of speech values.

    What cost are you willing to pay to protect us? You don’t see one helluva slippery slope here? Since deportation takes time, we’ll need to round up all the Muslims first and put them in camps. You game for that? You better be damn careful when you throw that “at any cost” phrase around. There are costs that stop America from being America.

  162. RE:to “re-think” our freedom of religion and freedom of speech values.

    The freedoms you speak of are already under attack by our own government. Right now, there is a law which can be used to view the preachings of theologically based values against homosexuals as hate speech and then a hate crime if someone acts upon those preachings.
    http://rightamerican.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/free-speech-vs-hate-crimes-prevention-act-of-2009/

    RE:What cost are you willing to pay to protect us? You don’t see one helluva slippery slope here?

    To suggest there is a limit to how far to go to protect America is to suggest she isn’t worth saving at all. There should be no limit.

    While I don’t actually see too much of a slippery slope, we’ve already embarked on the trail. We already know that certain speech has adverse consequences and is why we can’t yell “fire” in a movie theater.

    RE:There are costs that stop America from being America.
    It is a dichotomy, isn’t it? On the one hand we need to protect America; on the other, we can’t destroy her while doing it. Somewhere in the middle lies the solution. We don’t have to jump to the extreme ends of the spectrum to do it. For example, I see no need to jump to your extreme of rounding up and detaining them in camps. We can leave them in situ until we get to them.

    America seems to be OK with our government getting involved with everything; health care, imminent domain seizures of private property, seizures of private safety deposit boxes and selling or cashing the contents for state use, etc. What’s a little deportation to help preserve those values?

    Any religion which leaves room for its spiritual leadership to preach, condone, encourage, applaud, cultivate, foment, espouse or otherwise embrace hatred toward non-Muslims, consider Jews and Christians as pigs worthy of killing, is intolerant toward the beliefs of non-Muslims, justifies killings of any Muslim who leaves Islam to convert to another religion, beheads and maims as a form of punishment as taught by the Qur’an, is fundamentally flawed to its core and should be outlawed and banished from the face of this earth.

    That is why I am an advocate of an amendment to the U.S. Constitution which outlaws any religion espousing killing, teaches that Jews and Christians are at the same level as pigs and advocates other inhumane behavior to non Muslims and non-believers of Islam.

    However, with the passing of HR-1913 – Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009, we may not need an amendment.

    I believe Islam is a formal and on-going hate crime in the act. As long as its leadership remains quiet about the terrorists and murderers in their ranks many of whom have been indoctrinated by that leadership, I will continue to view Islam on the same level as the KKK – an organization filled with hateful oppressors and killers of those not like them.

  163. RE:Obviously Muslim imams who foment political violence are not the moderate Muslims I am looking to to take a stand.

    Yes, but choosing to remain quiet is still a choice and makes them an accessory.

  164. RE:Let’s stand together to preserve your right to peacefully worship and to do that we must work together to defeat radical Islam.

    They must first demonstrate their conviction by tearing out the hate verses of their Qur’an; they must first reform their religion. To be an American is to not be an advocate of hate. It IS un-American.

  165. They must first demonstrate their conviction by tearing out the hate verses of their Qur’an; they must first reform their religion

    So those that ignore the hateful verses are not doing enough ? Are they doing anything in your opinion?

    To be an American is to not be an advocate of hate. It IS un-American.

    This is a true statement at least in the spirit of it. America is,has been and will unfortunately continue to have numbers across the full spectrum of our diverse demography that advocate hate and violence.

  166. I’ve actually seen more people on the right up in arms over 1913 regards concerns of clergy sermons and gay rights etc. Any thoughts comments ? or should I see your post?

  167. RE:So those that ignore the hateful verses are not doing enough ? Are they doing anything in your opinion?

    No. To just quietly ignore those teachings isn’t enough. They MUST ACT.

    RE:America is,has been and will unfortunately continue to have numbers across the full spectrum of our diverse demography that advocate hate and violence.

    The KKK comes to mind. Today, their numbers are about 6k, much less than during its heyday.

    A question which keeps me entertained is about our level of tolerance for it. How big does it have to grow before we outlaw it?

  168. RE:I’ve actually seen more people on the right up in arms over 1913 regards concerns of clergy sermons and gay rights etc. Any thoughts comments ? or should I see your post?

    I don’t consider those on the right who cling to that issue as major portion representative of the GOP.

    If you go to the post you can read an analysis of the bill and its potential to be used in ways we never imagined.

    I see it as a double-edged sword and a potential tool against Islam.

  169. RE:Seriously, please explain to me how the same religion that influences Hasan to kill 13 people also influences Jasser to work within the system and treat people with civility.

    Devotion. Plus a predisposition.

    The greater the devotion to the teachings of Muhammad and with correct disposition, we have Hasan.

    Islam gives a devout Muslim a blank check. It provides a blueprint for behavior and how to be a good Muslim. Hasan based his actions on its teachings. In his mind he was just being a good Muslim. He’s not insane. He is simply devout.

    ————–

    Ayatollah Khomeini from 1942
    “Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world…. Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers] Islam says Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us Islam says Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender to the enemy Islam says Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Koranic] verses and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.”

  170. There was a public debate between Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser and Imam Mohamed Al-Darsani of the Islamic Center for PEACE in Fort Myers, Florida.

    The debate occurred on April 5, 2008 at Edison College in Naples Florida. It set Imam Mohamed Al-Darsani of the Islamic Center for PEACE against Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser, a frequent pundit for many mainstream news channels and a praised Islamic Reformer of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy.

    The purpose of the debate was to answer this question “Is the establishment of an Islamic state a clear and ideological threat to the United States?”.

    Dr. Jasser was arguing the affirmative and Imam Al-Darsani the negative.

  171. As controversial as this is, America seems to be OK with this and serves to teach us that we will go to the extremes needed to solve a problem.

    I didn’t read the whole article but did it say anywhere that Americans were OK with this? I can’t imagine Americans being ok with the private property in our safe deposit boxes being seized and auctioned off by the gov’t.

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