Liz Cheney: The Chick of the Chicken-Hawk Should Just Go Away

First Obama is evil for wanting to send a positive message to our school children. Then he is evil for wanting to try to get the Olympics held here. Then he is evil for not outright rejecting the admittedly odd honor of the Nobel Peace Prize. Well, none of that should be too surprising since none of those issues reside in the sweet spot of conservatives. You would think though, that Obama honoring our war dead would be something that even our right-wing brethren could get behind.

Apparently not. On the radio, the former Vice President Dick Cheney’s daughter, whom MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell called Dick’s “pet attack dog”, found fault with the President’s recent visit to Dover Air Force Base to honor the war dead on their final trip home. She seemed to find it unseemly that the President be there “with the White House press pool”. This stupid excuse for a “patriot” neglected to mention that unlike during her father’s time, families of war dead can now request that cameras be present at their deceased loved ones homecoming. She also neglected to mention that the families who gave and did not give permission for the televised homecoming were unaware that the President would be there.

But Lawrence O’Donnell, who subbed for Keith Olbermann on MSNBC’s “Countdown” can tell the story much better than I can:

That’s right. Not only could Bush not be seen at Dover since he didn’t allow cameras there, but he was NEVER there himself to honor the war dead. Vice President Cheney, no doubt afraid to leave his undisclosed location, was also never seen at Dover in the seven years that he promoted the suicide mission that was the Iraq war. Liz says of the war dead that there is no greater sacrifice that someone can make to the nation. How would she know? Her father dodged military service not once but five times.

As I’ve suffered through the increasingly frequent appearances of Liz Cheney in the media, I got to wondering why we don’t ever see Cheney’s other daughter Mary. As you know, Mary is a lesbian. So I did some digging and found what I consider to be a very conflicted woman. With apologies to everyone who finds David Letterman’s recent behavior disgusting, I offer an unusually politically astute interview he did with Mary back in 2006.

Fascinating that Mary put her concern for national security above her own self-interest. Let’s face it, she supported an administration that wanted to amend the Constitution to outlaw same-sex privileges, not just marriage, but any legal protection for same-sex couples. In 2006, with her dad a lame duck VP, she then felt emboldened to write an autobiography calling for equal rights for gays and lesbians, when it was too late to really make a difference. I can’t criticize Mary because her dilemma was understandable. Just look at the brilliant defense her father gave her a year later when she announced she was expecting her first child:

While the Dick was delighted to be getting a new grandchild (who wouldn’t be?), he stopped short of denouncing his supporters who consider Mary Cheney an abomination. He accused Wolf Blitzer of dealing a low blow. Why couldn’t he have said Focus on the Family was full of crap? The organization insulted his daughter and he felt insulted by Wolf Blitzer! After several seconds of receiving the Darth Vader death stare, Wolf sheepishly backed off. I would have persisted. I would have asked Cheney why he was a lousy hypocrite. He cared so much for his grandchild that he would have supported legislation that made that grandchild an orphan upon the death of his daughter.
This is the twisted world of the Cheneys. Why haven’t we seen much of Mary lately? Has she wised up that her father is a disgrace to this country? Or perhaps, in her typically self-sacrificing way, she’s willing to let her “normal” sister do all the talking?  When it comes to talking, most ex-Vice Presidents, unless they are pursuing the Presidency, fade into the woodwork and certainly don’t disparage the current President on a regular basis. This goes double for Vice  President’s children.

Liz, take a cue from the former Vice President’s children whose names we don’t even know, and just fade away.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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210 thoughts on “Liz Cheney: The Chick of the Chicken-Hawk Should Just Go Away

  1. Ah yes. The now-typical liberal response to dissent and differences of opinion.

    “Shut the hell up and disappear.”

    It aint gonna happen.

    By the way, in what branch of the military did Obama serve? I ask because he has already sent more troops into Afghanistan, and I haven’t noticed him being labelled as a chicken-hawk.

    So are we to assume that he has served in some secret branch of the military, and those records are sealed next to his university grades? Or are we to assume that name-calling liberals, such as yourself, are simply hypocrites?

  2. Michele Bachmann On PelosiCare: ‘Crown Jewel Of Socialism’…’In Last Year Government Has Taken Control Of 30% Of Country’s Private Wealth’ PelosiCare Is ‘Another 18%’ . . .

    Attack the message, not the messenger….if you cab

  3. New York: Methodist wife slits husband’s throat because he wasn’t religious enough — no, wait…

    Sheikh Naseem sounds like an abusive husband, but the main problem the wife had was that he wasn’t an observant Muslim. And her solution to that was to cut his throat. Why is it that this sort of solution to impiety only ever seems to occur to Muslims? “New Brighton wife tried to kill husband over Muslim principles, cops allege,” by John M. Annese for SILive.com, October 29 (thanks to all who sent this in):

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/new-york-methodist-wife-slits-husbands-throat-because-he-wasnt-religious-enough—-no-wait.html

  4. If Sarah Palin or Liz Cheney were pro abortion and rooting for our pathetic excuse of a President and man, Rutherford would be singing their praises daily. We all know that. Rutherford hates strong women who love their babies and are comfortable being female. These women are not like progressive hags with penis envy, angry that they got dealt a vulva. Short of his fixation on being black and crying racism each week, it is Rutherford’s second biggest motivating force in his life as attested to by the frequency of his commentary.

    It’s been obvious from the start that Obama and the left are cowards, posing for the camera for photo ops with real men when convenient. Is there no level these cowards and hypocrites won’t stoop? Obama denigrates the memory of these great protectors of the military,explaining why 10 million people collectively puked last night in front of the TV at the site of Obama’s “showing” respect to our military. Nothing but a photo op. Did anybody check if this sorry excuse was “secretly” flipping the bird while doing so?

    That’s why progressives have to appease radical Muslims, hoping that by kissing Islamic ass under the guise of multiculturalism and tolerance, they won’t have their heads sawed off, be draped in a burka, and caned each day for missing the wailing prayer. Everyone knows the only reason libs like Rutherford hassle Christians and Mormons is that they know they won’t get a beat down like they would from Islam.

    Yeah for LIZ CHENEY for having the guts to show what a coward THE BOMBA and libs are. Do it some more!!

  5. Crowder: Hopeandchange Halloween
    posted at 12:20 pm on October 31, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    Imagine Barack Obama’s economic policies as if they applied to …trick or treat. Steven Crowder pulls a Clutch Cargo vibe in his latest video while highlighting the Captain Planet silliness of the current administration’s policies. All of this makes me remember what the costume I really wanted for this evening … Uncle Waldo! Or more easily, Joe the Plumber:

    Happy Halloween, everyone — and just remember, the scariest things aren’t found under your bed or in your basement. They’re found on Capitol Hill and inside the Beltway.

  6. saying you agree with gay marriage and then saying it should be the state’s right to decide is basically trying to have it both ways. But, that’s just because conservatives never articulate why they think it should be a state’s right to decide gay marriage. If any of you (red or DR) would like to let me know then please do.

    I think if it’s their right that all gays across the board should be given that right regardless of what state they live in. At the same time I think pastors should decide whether they’d marry gay couples and shouldn’t be sued for not marrying gays. Maybe I’m having it both ways but I don’t think people should be forced to go against their religion if that’s what they believe.

    It seems awkward that Cheney wouldn’t denounce those that slammed his daughter’s pregnancy. The guy’s personality dictates that he should denounce them. Not like he has a political future after being Vice pres. anyways. I like Bush’s mentality right now. He thinks he’ll be validated after a few more years and then praised, have books written about him saying his administration made the correct decisions. I think that’s a way better strategy then Cheney looking like a fool on national TV.

    Liz Cheney is smart, but she seems to have this mentality of attacking Obama for stupid shit. She’s degrading herself and going the way of Sarah Palin soon. Right now she’s basically attacking Obama for revenge purposes. I think she should keep talking until she says something like “obama’s a terrorist”, do a couple more interviews explaining herself and then officially becomes a sarah palin type figure.

  7. By the way, in what branch of the military did Obama serve?

    I knew someone would ask this dumb question but I didn’t think it would be Red Pill who usually thinks before he types.

    You cannot compare Obama to Cheney who is a good 20 years older. Cheney was drafted and found some excuse FIVE times to get a deferment. Obama is my age. Neither of us was ever drafted nor could we have been; draft was over by the time we hit age 18.

    And you know what, this business about academic records being sealed needs to stop. For a while the argument flummoxed me until I realized Everyone’s academic records are sealed. Want proof? Red Pill, Tex or Elric, send me an email with your real name and the college you graduated from and let’s see if those institutions will mail me copies of your transcripts. I assure you, they won’t. In the case of my own transcript, I have had to grant permission for potential employers to see it, or I had to get a copy myself to send to them. This “sealed” business is plain dumb.

    So you counter with, why doesn’t Obama voluntarily share his records? Why the f*ck should he have to? What other President has been hounded to release academic records, particularly when most sane people know that a D in “The Concept of the Hero in Helenic Civilization” at age 18, doesn’t mean squat about what kind of President you will be. This business about academic records is just one fruit loop away from the whole birther movement. Give it a rest!

  8. At least she didnt mention Thuggy golfing as soldiers die. The MSM did when Bush did it. Why isnt it an issue now?

    Well, I consider the whole golfing thing with Bush rather silly but the point made by the left leaning MSM (i.e. Olbermann) was that Bush said he would stop golfing out of respect for the troops and then kept golfing anyway.

    The whole thing is absurd. The idea that all pleasures of civilians need to stop during war time is preposterous.

  9. He personally supports gay marriage but wants to leave it to the States.

    Sorry Rabbit, I don’t agree, Cheney said it should be a state matter but he said he ultimately supports the platform of his administration. I read more stuff than I included in this article. Cheney (like his daughter, Mary) obviously felt his personal views had to take a back seat to national policy, and he did nothing to advance the cause of lesbians and gays despite the pain his daughter must have suffered under the system at that time. He is the very definition of a hypocrite. (Mary says in the Letterman interview that she almost quit the 04 campaign over the gay platform. I wish she had had the courage of her convictions.)

    Dick said in the 2004 town hall meeting: “At this point, say, my own preference is as I’ve stated, but the president makes policy for the administration. He’s made it clear that he does, in fact, support a constitutional amendment on this issue.” What did he do about it? He sure spent lots of time convincing Bush to invade and escalate the Iraq war. But on gay marriage, he’s comfortable that the pres, “makes policy”. I call bullsh*t. Cheney “made policy” in a host of matters in the early Bush years. Bull-friggin-sh*t.

  10. More incorrect information from the Rutherford. I can assure you Rutherford, that you could receive records of my transcript if I gave my college permission to do so. I know, because I had to do it for admission to medical school and with my permission, I can make those records completely open.

    In addition, there is something you refuse to acknowledge. You and I both had to register for Selective Service when we turned 1i8 and our enrollment is a matter of public record, complete with birth certificate. However, Obama’s selective service record seems to be “offline.”

    Why do you continue to cover for this charlatan? Do you have so much of yourself invested in this man you that you feel the need to sell your soul? You and I both know Obama is a liar and is hiding much. A man not to be trusted, surrounded with American hating radicals, including the richest one George Soros.

  11. Well Tex, it’s always refreshing to get the predictable ass comment on this from you, with all sorts of Freudian analysis thrown in for good measure.

    You know what? Seeing Obama “marching” with the soldiers at Dover made me laugh. Not because I doubted his sincerity but because he looked so friggin out of place. Had I seen a video of Bush doing it, I would’ve laughed also but of course Bush never gave us that chance. Not seeing the caskets probably made it easier for him to be “the decider”. (I kinda suspect Eisenhower was the last president who could really have pulled that off convincingly).

    Be that as it may, I want my President to look at a military coffin close up before he makes any decisions about future military strategy.

    And while we’re getting all Freudian, I submit that hateful women like Cheney and Palin give you a hard on. Now I don’t quite understand why and I won’t venture any guesses. Liz Cheney is cut from the same cloth as her dad. We should expect no less from the daughter of a war criminal. 😉

  12. Scozzafava quits after Siena poll; Update: Hoffman campaign asking for endorsement?

    More evidence of what a friggin brain-dead party the GOP is. It’s four days from the election. So she thinks she’s gonna lose. So what? It is too late to take her name off the ballot so anyone who was going to vote for her, still can. Her dropping out made no sense at all, and only shows what disarray the GOP is in right now.

    I hope that whatever many supporters she had still go to the polls and vote for her so that she and Hoffman can split just enough votes to deliver the election to Owens.

  13. if I gave my college permission to do so.

    My GOD man! Have you simply stopped reading? What did I just say? You could get my transcripts if I gave permission first. Otherwise, they are by default sealed.

    I’m not up to speed on the selective service issue although I seem to remember reading somewhere that Obama never got around to it and would find it an obvious embarrassment now. Again, I’m not stating that as fact … I will read some more on it to see what I find. Sites like WZ, American (cough, cough) Thinker and WND, make sorting fact from fiction about Obama, a bit difficult. 😉

  14. Sensico….do you believe polygamy should be legalized?

    An uncharacteristic dodge from you DR. Please answer the question. If Cheney is so much in favor of “people who want to be together being together” then why should it matter what state they live in? Cheney, despite knowing the pain this causes his daughter and the legal jeopardy it puts his grandchild in, lacks the courage of his supposed convictions.

  15. Rutherford…Bush visited a ton of injured soldiers and personally mailed letters to the families of the fallen. What’s your deal, man?

    I can understand your argument that Obama is taking his time with Afghanistan becuase he is thinking it through so intensely but what is with this whole “Obama is so much more solemn then Bush” thing?

    Give me a break.

  16. I didn’t mean to dodge. I have expressed my opinion before on this.

    Homosexual men make me gag the same way a dog turd in a paper bag does. But, when it comes down to it, I feel they should be able to get legally married. Just not in my church.

    After a wave of weddings I bet a ton of them won’t get married any ways.

    That being said, the polygamy question does begin to be a problem. Once we allow gay people to get married, I’m not sure how one can argue that polygamy should be illeagal. .

  17. As for Cheney, he wants to leave culturally sensitive questions up to the state. Don’t see a problem with that. I also think it’s perfectly acceptable for a man to have a gay daughter and not have to be a gay rights activist by default.

    The man is probably torn by it a bit. Just as we all would to a varying degree.

  18. “I can understand your argument that Obama is taking his time with Afghanistan becuase he is thinking it through so intensely”

    DR, He campaigned on more troops. How long to he have to “think” about it? He is more dedicated on golfing than sending more troops.

  19. What was the Obamateurism of the Week?

    Global warming skeptics “marginalized” while growing in number

    Accusing Cheney not focusing on Af-Pak just before heading out to 3 fundraisers and a golf outing

    Obama on Creigh Deeds: “We don’t need people who are slick, who say one thing and do another”

    Obama can’t fill a room in Massachusetts, says Patrick may not get re-elected

    Man who picked Biden as VP says McCain shouldn’t have “winged it” with Palin

    Vote

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/01/poll-what-was-the-obamateurism-of-the-week-21/

    Dont forget to vote

  20. I’m not up to speed on the selective service issue although I seem to remember reading somewhere that Obama never got around to it and would find it an obvious embarrassment now.

    Well, if that is the case Obama didn’t just break the law, but committed a felony. In addition, if you’ll read the rules of selective service, not enrolling also prevents you from holding a federal office. If so, I want Obama removed today. Or is Obama above the law Rutherford?

    No, I read your comment Rutherford – if Obama’s clean and as talented a student as you always attest (remember Magnu Cum Laude?), then he should grant permission to open records and would do so proudly. The problem is, he is not and you know it. This is the biggest lie about Obama of all – he’s an obvious product of a slick marketing campaign and nothing else. Obama is completely unqualified to be President and he is now proving it. 😉

  21. Boxer: No more troops to Afghanistan
    posted at 11:40 am on November 1, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

    Barbara Boxer apparently holds meetings on the streets of Oakland, according to her companions, who didn’t want to allow a constituent with a camera to question Senator Ma’am on policy in Afghanistan. Boxer finally responds long enough to insist that Congress will not allow more troops to go into Afghanistan, which then prompts the question of whether we should keep troops there at all if we’re not going to fight to win there. Boxer walks away, even though the constituent calls her “Senator” … repeatedly:

  22. DR, He campaigned on more troops. How long to he have to “think” about it?

    I agree Elric. I can just understand their argument.

  23. “I agree Elric. I can just understand their argument.”

    Understand what? That he was convinced over a year ago that more troops were needed but now he needs time to “think’ upon it?

  24. I think Cheney is too acting the way any father might when their daughter sort of does something he doesn’t agree with. But I’m just saying he’s trying to have it both ways.

    I definitely understand the polygamy argument. And it sort of works and makes since until you realize gay marriage is about equality between two people where as polygamy involves inequality. Marriage right now is defined between 2 people of the opposite sex. If you take away the opposite sex then you still have marriage between two people with equal rights and benefits.

    Also should probably come as a realization that polygamy is outlawed and highly unpopular. Also the human psyche would dictate that polygamy households hardly last long because of jealousy and other human behavioral traits.

    connecting polygamy with gay marriage is a classic slippery slope fallacy. The two aren’t even related and the fact that one has to make an “emotional” case to connect the two proves as much.

    I find it completely weird that most conservatives can’t come up with a reasonable argument as to why marriage should be dictated by the states. The real argument for state by state cases is that marriage isn’t mentioned in the constitution and the government being involved in marriage wasn’t an issue when the constitution was created. However, the government imposing laws on the entire land is not unusual (even if unpopular) so I still think something like gay marriage should be across the board. Gay marriage dictated by the states causes instability as we see in California the instability it caused with gay couples who were married before Cali voted against it.

  25. Nappy Densico,

    I find it completely weird that most conservatives can’t come up with a reasonable argument as to why marriage should be dictated by the states.

    I find it completely “weird” that libs can’t get it through their head that we don’t want your ilk telling us what we and can’t do as a state, that the federal gov’t is not the end all and never will be, the reasons as to why marriage is the bedrock of civilization and has always between one man and one woman for thousands of years, and has always been between two anatomically compatible people. Obviously thru your vast collegiate studies, you failed basic biology.

    And “weird” someone to the best of my knowledge that isn’t even married and will be lucky to get married, somehow believes she is remotely qualified in her typical rambling ebonics to explain to the rest of us who are married what constitutes marriage.

    Really “weird”.

  26. Sensico do you mean states as in the 50 (57 for BHO) or do you mean State as in govt. period.
    There are two religions right off the top of my head that supports polygamy and as for the inequality argument their you lose since practitioners of said religions have a constitutional right,unless you want to really get your boots on and start trampling away.
    The real course is for both federal and state level of government to allow society ie voters decide on the standing of civil unions. Taxation,legal rights etc. fall under that. Marriage is more a religious concept and shouldn’t be open for govt. regulation or interpretation.
    With that said the individual states would pretty much reflect the same as they do now.
    Its that or the world comes to grips with whether or not we see homosexuality as a reality,a disease or just a lifestyle choice. Have fun with that one.

  27. Rutherford:Scozzafava did what she did to keep her day job. Let’s see which way her “released” votes sway. I can’t imagine they are entirely comprised of republican loyalists as the Hoffman campaign says.

  28. Lions are blacked out this week. I feel like breaking a part sensico’s argument because she is trying to sound smart.

    1.” Also should probably come as a realization that polygamy is outlawed and highly unpopular. “-sensico

    And gay marriage is popular among Americans? Interesting. (Nice touch when you later stated the Feds should legalize gay marriage despite it’s unpopularity.)

    Hey guys, sensico just pointed out that one of her reasons she thinks polygamy should remain illegal is because it’s illegal. (Talk about the floor falling from under her entire argument for gay marriage instantly!)

    2. “Marriage right now is defined between 2 people of the opposite sex. If you take away the opposite sex then you still have marriage between two people with equal rights and benefits.”-sensico

    Another moronic argument. You are willing to eliminate one part of the definition (gender) but refuse to eliminate another (two people). You go on to say that equality can only be achieved between 2 people and not 3. Yet, you offer no reason for this. Nothing. Nada.

    Why couldn’t 3 people theoretically have equal rights? Ever cut up a pumpkin pie at Thanksgiving?

    You always come on here waxing on about your cultural sensitivity. However, come to find out, you’re full of shit. You believe the entire Islamic institution of marriage to be invalid, unequal and immoral. That is if “equality” and “morality” are, in fact, tied together. If they are not, go ahead and say it while you rewrite your arguments for health care.

    3.”connecting polygamy with gay marriage is a classic slippery slope fallacy. The two aren’t even related and the fact that one has to make an “emotional” case to connect the two proves as much.”

    How is this a fallacy? Once you change the definition of polygamy, who says where it can stop? Have you ever studied the Reformation? Did it stop with the theology of Luther? Calvin? The Anabaptists?

    Your always using this “emotional” label on people. Have I been emotional? Who has? Point out the emotionalism. I could care less about gay marriage to be honest. I don’t feel it to threaten traditional values for a couple reasons. I don’t think many gay people will get married. Some gay people are already adopting, so that cat is already out of the bag. And there is no way that traditional religious institutions will have to marry these people. For example, Tex doesn’t have to acknowledge anyone’s marriage within a religious context just as my own Mom doesn’t with people who divorce and get remarried.

    As someone else who leans towards letting gay people get married, let me tell you, your argument is a crock. Also, with the influx of Muslims in this country at the same time the traditional institution of marriage is being legally reformed, if you think a good lawyer and later on a sympathetic supreme court couldn’t make the connection that polygamy should be allowed if other non traditional forms of marriage are, you are crazy. I know you say they aren’t related. I guess if you take “marriage”, “people”, and the “debate of traditional vs. non” out of the picture that have nothing in common.

    By the way, Rutherford always defends your idiocy. Even your blatant cheap shots. (That’s when you are trying to help, we’re told).

    So Rutherford, lets see you defend sensico’s argument for why polygamy should be banned if gay marriage is not. Was it sound?

  29. “There are two religions right off the top of my head that supports polygamy” -Alf

    yeah, one of those being Mormonism, I believe. I think it’s completely hypocritical that conservatives embrace Mormonism when it benefits them when opposing gay marriage but completely overlook polygamy.

    “she thinks polygamy should remain illegal is because it’s illegal.” -DR

    nope, re-read, btw the lions suck don’t know why ppl hold out false hope that they’re going to be a great team.

    “Why couldn’t 3 people theoretically have equal rights?” -DR

    As far as I’m concerned with taxes, federal grants, insurance agencies, give benefits to couples, not threesomes or Quads. In that respect, there’s no way 3 ppl could have equal rights.

    “You believe the entire Islamic institution of marriage to be invalid, unequal and immoral.” – DR

    I believe it’s common knowledge that morality is based on the laws of the land which in turn are partly based on religion. This is a Christian nation, that’s why we’re even having a debate on this shit. When you go to an Islamic nation, this isn’t a problem, why is it out of the ordinary for me to expect people to follow laws when they’re in the U.S regardless of religion.

    People have the right to practice their religion but in realty it stops at marriage because of institutional laws and regulations ask I have hinted to in my previous statement above, “taxes, federal grants, insurance agencies, give benefits to couples, not threesomes or Quads.”

    “Once you change the definition of polygamy, who says where it can stop?” -DR

    Tell me how you think the definition of polygamy could be changed to include a marriage between one man and one woman and then maybe, I’ll take that question seriously.

  30. wow. You lick only the frosting of any kind of knowledge, a surface scratcher oblivious to your ignorance. I think that is what makes you such a running joke around here amongst conservatives and liberals alike.

    “I think it’s completely hypocritical that conservatives embrace Mormonism when it benefits them when opposing gay marriage but completely overlook polygamy.”-sensico

    Wow. Conservatives don’t embrace Mormonism any more then they do Catholicism or Judaism. We embrace Mormons who are conservative. Plus, your description of Mormonism makes you pretty close to a run of the mill, ignorant bigot. The Church of Latter Day Saints is not polygamist anymore. Haven’t been for a long time.

    I went back and read. You said this, in relation for why polygamy shouldn’t be allowed:

    “Also should probably come as a realization that polygamy is outlawed and highly unpopular.”-sensico

    Read slowly. Word for word. That is the exact argument many people have for two dudes getting married.

    “I believe it’s common knowledge that morality is based on the laws of the land which in turn are partly based on religion. This is a Christian nation, that’s why we’re even having a debate on this shit.”

    Traditional Christianity believe homosexuality to be a sin. So, you tell me, why are we debating this shit? Read that paragraph again. In terms of allowing gay marriage and not polygamy, for the love of God, somehow explain how that makes any sense.

    Rutherford, every time you successfully prove that Sensico’s prose is not complete and utter gibberish when I call it out, I will donate 10 bucks to the blog.

    Go for Rutherford. Honestly tell me how that paragraph made sense in terms of what we are talking about and I’m busting pay pal out. (Insert sensico insult about what I should be doing with my money)

    “Once you change the definition of polygamy, who says where it can stop?”

    That was a typo by me. I meant marriage, not polygamy. My apologies.

  31. I was adding to reasons as to why gay marriage is unlikely to lead to polygamy.

    you barely read my full statements I said it’s partly based on religious beliefs, it’s more of a general philosophical agreement I was referring to on how civilizations based their laws. Of course now we have evolved to the point where we don’t solely use religion which is why we’re having this debate. I’m fully aware Christians don’t agree with gay marriage but there are some that do and even so, you shouldn’t impose those views on others. Letting gays get married by simply removing “between one man and woman” from the definition in no way allows polygamy.

    Even if the marriage definition is changed, when did conservatives personally ever let government dictate their lives anyway? It’s not like government is going to force them to change their personal views. How is gay marriage a threat to them? Not like pastors have to marry gay couples anyway.

    “Rutherford, every time you successfully prove that Sensico’s prose is not complete and utter gibberish when I call it out, I will donate 10 bucks to the blog.” -DR

    No offense to R but, when you lose your job, I hope you look back on my past comments about your wasteful spending and know that I’m laughing SMH at you.

    Any criticism of me by R would now look as if he’s doing it for the money…just so y’all know 😛

  32. DR,

    I’ll translate Densi’s internet slang: What she means is “Spreading My Ho” at you!

    Don’t count on much demand for her “product” but hey, there’s always some schmuck out there that might need a bit if totally blasted enough.

  33. Even if the marriage definition is changed, when did conservatives personally ever let government dictate their lives anyway? It’s not like government is going to force them to change their personal views. How is gay marriage a threat to them? Not like pastors have to marry gay couples anyway.

    It’s not so much that the conservatives change,the very meaning of the word dictates they don’t. It’s how government changes and foists policy upon the people in ways never imagined. Just think of Canada prosecuting pastors for repeating anti homosexuality lines from the Bible. the issue is real Sensico.
    Elric. As I’ve said all along look at the district and McHugh’s record. Except for the two red button social issues McHugh is more in line with Dede and to some degree what Owens will be allowed to be. Except for the big stimulus vote which John nayed he voted to spend all our money.
    Contrary to what anyone here believes I’m open to true conservatives having a voice and exciting the voters. Outsiders trying to dictate what a district or precint does just isn’t right though and ya reap what ye sow. Kind of like Newt said. We’ll see if there is some backlash from all those folks that voted for Obama yet somehow were gonna flip for Hoffman.

  34. Normally I’d ignore Tex, obviously my advice for him on SMH is here

    I would invite DR and all of you to denounce your friend Tex in calling me a Hoe (or “Ho”). Would any of you like your daughters (or nieces or wives/girlfriends) to be called that just because they disagree with someone. Tex, you wouldn’t say any of this if you were in my face right now. You’d have your ass kicked if you said that to anyone, esp. me in person. What I say to DR may come off as disrespectful, but it’s certainly say-able in public. But, you’re what we call an E-Gangster http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/183524/693830.jpg

  35. Densi,

    You didn’t disagree – you mocked a man for losing his job and that is the second time you’ve done that without Rabbit around to tell you that himself. You’re not only disrespectful nitwit and a cheap shot, you’re an ignorant punk.

    As far as kicking my ass? 😆 😆 😆

  36. “Just think of Canada prosecuting pastors for repeating anti homosexuality lines from the Bible.”

    obviously we aren’t Canada, church pastors can say whatever they want in church against gays, killing the prez, etc,. Sure, they may get criticism in the press but last time I checked none of those pastors were prosecuted. It’s weird to even compare Canada and the U.S. like that. Also, like I said before, churches should be allowed to marry whoever they want and if it goes against their religion to marry gay couples then so be it, but the courts shouldn’t prevent such things

  37. Alfie,

    You said she was light red. Obviously she wasnt if she is endorsing the Dem. And you want to talk about outsiders, lets talk about the White House involved.

    And will all the people dumb enough to send money to the RNC to prop up the RINO bitch get their money back?

  38. Sensico you quite simply make no sense and are not worthy of further dialog since in your rhetoric you refuse to be intellectually honest enough to appreciate concerns and other views. I will only say there are a ton of things the government shouldn’t do but that doesn’t stop them.I’d also add that Eric Holder is huge on hate crime stuff.
    Elric No, those people foolish enough to send cash to the RNC don’t get a refund. In fact if they truly care about the party withholding future payments is a great way to send the message to them.In fact I highly recommend it.
    I did indeed say light red but I’ve also stressed the district makeup and voting record of the rep being replaced. All I got in return was a tongue lashing that I’m a RINO etc.

  39. Tex, you wouldn’t say any of this if you were in my face right now. You’d have your ass kicked if you said that to anyone, esp. me in person.

    followed by:

    Though, I’d know what to think of him and the rest of your friends here when they stand by your statements. I didn’t say I’d kick your ass.

    Alfie, Sensico can’t make sense from one hour to the next. It’s in writing three comments above, and she still can not remember. It should come as no surprise she couldn’t make a cogent remark to a reasonable question. The scariest part is somewhere out there, she’s driving herself to a voting booth. 😮

    But she does make one fine example of an Obama rube getting “all her bills paid”.

  40. Alfie, I understand your concern, I’m just arguing why there should be no concern. You seem to think just because people disagree with you that they don’t “feel you”. C’moooon 🙄

    If Eric Holder is big on hate crimes then you’d see right now, what you concerned about government doing. Anyways…

    I think the NY race shows riff between fringe conservatives and moderate republicans/GOPers. Even if the Owens loses, which it is looking like he will, this doesn’t mean anything for the GOP. Conservatives are pushing out moderates from the republican party which only leaves the GOP with a small fraction of voters come national election time.

  41. I meant others would kick your ass for me, sorry for not clarifying

    You don’t have any friends – dogs would find you unappealing. 🙄

    Run from you like on a greyhound track.

  42. Lets sum up today’s comments for R, whenever he gets off his vacation from not visiting his own blog,

    1. DR connects Polygamy to Gay marriage
    2. I respectfully disagree
    3. DR, Alfie disagrees with me disagreeing
    4. Elric link pimps and types out some arbitrary one-liner
    5. Tex calls me a “Ho”
    6. No one denounces him thus proving my larger point about republicans
    7. Alfie gets upset thinking no one is “concerned about his concern”
    8. Tex remains an wannabe thug

    This has been fun, but I have to go, toodles.

  43. “I did indeed say light red but I’ve also stressed the district makeup and voting record of the rep being replaced.”

    Hoffman was polling much better than her. So how do you explain that?

  44. Ugggghhhhhh
    Well I’ll try perhaps banging ones head against a wall will someday be an Olympic event and I’ll be gold worthy.
    For starters every time we (USA) sign on to some UN doctrine we chisel away our sovereignty. HR 1913 which is sitting in he Senate judic. committee or some subset thereof certainly has some taint of controversy to it. The devil is in the details. And as for Holder he cost LA millions during the Clinton admin for racial profiling paperwork. I’d put it to you as I did in a post (see here if you like) that could’ve gone to keeping Los Angeleans of all colors,stripes etc. safe.

  45. “What I say to DR may come off as disrespectful, but it’s certainly say-able in public.”-sensico

    Look, I’m not going to let my get feelings hurt by some self professed child (Yeah, I’ve visited your other blog) mocking me for losing my job.

    My worries are how I’m going to feed and cloth my child. Not some kid in her Mom’s apartment taking digs at the old Rabbit.

    It actually irked me more when Rutherford claimed you were giving me “advice” for my own benefit.

    But, I’ve spouted off on here and said nasty things, particularly to R. So, the way I see it, I’ll take my cheesy “internet battle” lumps.

    But to somehow claim that rubbing someone’s face in shit on the day they found out they are getting laid off to be acceptable public behavior is insane.

    Trust me, in the real world, remarks like yours are much, much worse then the word “Ho”.

    You seriously could get killed. I mean real deal fucking killed.

    As I’ve said before, I’m shocked there aren’t more people going on rampages when they are laid off. Outside of the health of loved ones, I’m not sure there is anything more traumatic in life.

    One day you will learn this.

  46. *gasp* I meant I was the only child as in have-no-other-siblings, please don’t comment on what I write on my personal blog, on this blog.

    With that said, if you’re truly upset then I would say I’m sorry but, you’re not upset apparently. How is suggesting you get a job at a community college which hires actually giving wrong advice?? How is saving money instead being frivolous which apparently you are, not helping. Maybe next time, I’ll just type it out in a nicer way.

  47. aww….why thank you mam, your half apology is half accepted.

    Although why can’t I mention what you write on that blog on this one. It’s all public isn’t?

    I don’t understand the new internet generation sometimes.

    But fine…I will stick to the drivel at your political blog, if you somehow feel that is “private’. I will say your poetry was fricking awful, though.

    I’m going to go even farther in debt and go to law school when I get laid off. Then I’m going to sue myself for assaulting myself in a bar and get rich!!!!! It’s fool proof!

    As dumb as the Rabbit may be, if Mayor Kilpatric passed the bar exam, so can I.

    If I ever have to go up against the BiW guy, I’ll just run out of the court room. You got to know when to fold ‘um.

  48. “*gasp* I meant I was the only child as in have-no-other-siblings”

    uh…as usual, that’s not what you wrote.

    “I’m an only child and I love it.”-sensico

    Girl, you’re in your 20s!

    Ok…I will stop with the personal blog.

  49. well thanks for accepting my half apology, I do know when I’m half wrong. I like to keep the more popular political side of me on political blogs somewhat distant from my more personal side of me. I do have enemies online ya know. I know my poetry is awful, that’s part of the joke.

    WSU has a good law program, OMG we could go to school together!!!

  50. When your walking to class and can’t keep your eyes off that student in his mid 30’s with dreamy eyes and wide shoulders, just try to get over it. The Rabbit is married.

  51. Tex, I’ve got a lot of comments queued up in my in-basket so I don’t know the number of the one of your’s has me annoyed right now but suffice it to say, even if you don’t have any respect for Sensico, could you cash in what minuscule respect you have for me and stop calling her “nappy”. I don’t think you’re making a reference to her ability to stay awake. 😉 It’s a sore spot with me, and I would seriously ask you to stop it. You’ve got loads of other derogatory terms in your arsenal which you are welcome to tap into.

    Also, I might add that grammatical errors do not equal ebonics. Sensico does rush the comments a bit (and I’ve told her so) and therefore a word or two is out of place but that is hardly ebonics. If it were, then based on the number of times you post a comment to correct another comment, you would be the king of ebonics. 😀

  52. “When your walking to class and can’t keep your eyes off that student in his mid 30’s with dreamy eyes and wide shoulders, just try to get over it. The Rabbit is married.”

    Please, and I’ll be blogging about how that mid 30’s guy totally stole my favorite spot to study at in the library

    “Sensico does rush the comments a bit” – R

    I can’t help it, I’m hopped up on Gatorade right now and I normally type 85 wpm!

  53. The whole argument of gay marriage today, polygamy tomorrow is just one erroneous thought process away from gay marriage today, pedophilia, necrophilia and bestiality tomorrow. Almost like gay marriage is the “entry drug” to a host of perversions. I think the argument serves as a scare tactic.

    And Tex, biology be damned, homosexuality is as old as mankind itself and was quite popular, legal and acceptable in ancient Greece so you show your ignorance when you cite history as a method to condemn it.

    Everyone here knows I’m no big fan of organized religion, but I do feel if you’re gonna play, you gotta play by the rules. So any preacher who refuses to marry a gay couple is fine in my book. In fact, I don’t understand why any gay couple would want to embrace a religion that considers them an abomination. I am for legalized civil marriage between two consenting adults. As for the religious piece, you get what you pay for.

    Honestly, I’m not “against” polygamy, I just think, as Sensico said, it tends not to work socially based on human dynamics. It does of course work perfectly fine biologically, I think one reason for the 50% marriage failure is that humans are naturally polygamous. However I would agree that It is not compatible with the social structures we have set up.

    Finally, DR, there is no reason to ask Elric what he thinks of gay marriage. I am coming to the conclusion that Elric is not gay but is simply an assh*le who thinks it’s funny to call himself gay on his Myspace page.

  54. A couple of comments to DR:

    1. I never said that Bush and Cheney ignored the war dead and wounded. Crazy Larry O’Donnell did not say that either. The topic here is the specific visit to Dover Airforce Base and the daughter of someone who never bothered to go there (i.e. Cheney) should shut the f*ck up when another President chooses to do so.

    2. There is no getting around the fact that Dick Cheney would rather let an offensive comment from Focus on the Family stand rather than to defend his daughter against them. I agree that being the father of a lesbian doesn’t make you an automatic gay advocate. But there is some misplaced rage there when Dick gets pissed at Wolf Blitzer when he should be pissed at the self righteous, arrogant Focus on the Family. He jumped an entire generation just to avoid dissing his base. “I’m a proud grandfather” doesn’t answer the question at hand. Are you a proud father? And if so, then shouldn’t you tell this portion of your “base” to mind their own goddam business?

  55. Any criticism of me by R would now look as if he’s doing it for the money…just so y’all know 😛

    I don’t have the energy or time to wade too far into the Sensico/DR debate any more than I already have but this comment by Sensico did crack me up. Dag, one reason why I had mixed feelings about the support page in the first place …. now there’s a profit motive to everything I say. 😉

  56. You’d have your ass kicked if you said that to anyone

    Sensico, by Tex’s own admission, if his wife read half the stuff he writes in blog comments, she’d kick his ass. LOL

  57. you mocked a man …

    Oh Tex, please save the outrage. Rabbit eviscerated me not too long ago with comments about my inability to support my family and you didn’t say squat in my defense. I’m not throwing this in Rabbit’s face, I’ve forgiven him but I’m just saying, there is hardly anything Sensico could say in these threads that comes even close to some of the trash you and Rabbit have thrown down.

    Man up Tex. Clearly Rabbit isn’t letting Sensico unnerve him.

  58. Quick comment on Scozzafava (sorry, too lazy to look up the spelling tonight) throwing her support to the Dem. There are two ways to look at this. One way (I think supported by one of my fav Conservatives, George Will [no sarcasm intended]) is that for all intents and purposes, Dede was a Democrat. LOL so the endorsement of Owens is not unusual.

    Another way to look at it is that it is yet another symptom of dysfunction within the GOP … a kind of scorch and burn approach. OK, I’m dropping out, but now I want the dude, who by all rights should be closer to me in ideology, to lose. If I can’t be the only conservative (albeit a moderate one) to win, then f*ck’em. I want the Dem to win.

    I’m telling you I think this Newt/Palin war bodes very poorly for the GOP and lots of liberal political strategists (happily) agree with me. 🙂

  59. Lets sum up today’s comments for R, whenever he gets off his vacation from not visiting his own blog,

    LOL … ok, I know no one wants to hear my excuses but I’m pretty sure I’m the only one in this forum with a five year old. Yesterday was ….

    Halloween

    Today, Mommy and Daddy were recovering from …

    Halloween.

    Once again, I know I should put my personal life on hold for you guys but hey.

    P.S. Sensico … start pounding that shopping site and you’ll see me here 24/7! 😉

  60. I’m shocked there aren’t more people going on rampages when they are laid off.

    Amen to that.

    But Rabbit, just a clarification so I’m not in the dark here …. I thought you said the writing was on the wall but that you weren’t actually laid off yet. Did I mis-read?

  61. I’m going to go even farther in debt and go to law school when I get laid off. Then I’m going to sue myself for assaulting myself in a bar and get rich!!!!! It’s fool proof!

    LOL, thanks! Mind if I steal that idea?

  62. And Tex, biology be damned, homosexuality is as old as mankind itself and was quite popular, legal and acceptable in ancient Greece so you show your ignorance when you cite history as a method to condemn it.

    Murder is even older than men sticking there lips around another man’s penis…so yeah, I think historically I have a great argument, as every ruling country and class where homosexuality became acceptable fell into ruin. Hopefully, the fags from the left will follow suit and it will happen in my lifetime. 😛

    ** VOMIT **

    could you cash in what minuscule respect you have for me and stop calling her “nappy”. I don’t think you’re making a reference to her ability to stay awake.

    Oh sure…out of my great respect for you (cough, cough) I’ll quit referring to Densico as Nappy. I just cashed in my chips.

    I’ve got a multitude of synonymous and more fabulous pejoratives to choose from which I’ll save for future use in referring to the idiot if she wants to keep pushing her luck. 😉

  63. “First Obama is evil for wanting to send a positive message to our school children. Then he is evil for wanting to try to get the Olympics held here. Then he is evil for not outright rejecting the admittedly odd honor of the Nobel Peace Prize. Well, none of that should be too surprising since none of those issues reside in the sweet spot of conservatives. You would think though, that Obama honoring our war dead would be something that even our right-wing brethren could get behind.” — R

    R, 17 of the 18 families denied Obama permission to take pictures and don’t you find it slightly odd, that Obama, who is being hammered for dithering on his decision for additional troops to Afghanistan, decides to show up at Dover with the media pool in hand? Why ever would anyone find this slightly disingenuous?

    Come on, this guy politicizes everything. He’s the Clinton WH on crack, living by the polls and doing everything possible PR-wise to manipulate the people.

    A little bit more intellectual integrity please…

  64. “saying you agree with gay marriage and then saying it should be the state’s right to decide is basically trying to have it both ways.”– Dimwit

    How about you explain how it is a federal issue?

    I’ll make it easy for you, is marriage explained anywhere in the Constitution? No? Then it is a State issue- per the Constitution.

  65. “You cannot compare Obama to Cheney who is a good 20 years older. Cheney was drafted and found some excuse FIVE times to get a deferment. Obama is my age. Neither of us was ever drafted nor could we have been; draft was over by the time we hit age 18.”– R

    No, but you’re registered for selective service, so you can be. Secondly, I wasn’t drafted yet I managed to get into the military and serve my country. Imagine that, we’ve an all-volunteer force…wonder how that happened…

    “And you know what, this business about academic records being sealed needs to stop. For a while the argument flummoxed me until I realized Everyone’s academic records are sealed. Want proof? Red Pill, Tex or Elric, send me an email with your real name and the college you graduated from and let’s see if those institutions will mail me copies of your transcripts. I assure you, they won’t. In the case of my own transcript, I have had to grant permission for potential employers to see it, or I had to get a copy myself to send to them. This “sealed” business is plain dumb.”– R

    Why is it dumb to see how someone, who harps about the Ivy league education, to demonstrate how well they did? Typical of you guys. I rememeber hearing about some chap on Imus I think going on about how Obama has the highest IQ of any President, yet when asked what his IQ was, he didn’t know.

    Secondly, since you’re so against college papers being important, I wonder why I’ve not heard a peep out of you on the Virginian Governor’s race where the Republican was being hammered over a college paper he wrote 20 years ago. Kind of two faced isn’t it?

    “So you counter with, why doesn’t Obama voluntarily share his records? Why the f*ck should he have to? What other President has been hounded to release academic records, particularly when most sane people know that a D in “The Concept of the Hero in Helenic Civilization” at age 18, doesn’t mean squat about what kind of President you will be. This business about academic records is just one fruit loop away from the whole birther movement. Give it a rest!”– R

    I think someone with pretty much nothing on their resume- which Obama has really nothing on his resume- should have to back it up with something. A side responsibility I have it to interview people for jobs, and when their experience is weak- like Obama’s- then I ask about their college work and funny thing is I’ve never had one go all ‘none of your fucking business’ on me. Imagine that, identifying your political core beliefs and laying them bare for the world to see. Ahhhh, but now we get to the crux of the matter, Obama doesn’t want the people to see his core political beliefs because then all his moderate rhetoric would be seen as just that- rhetoric…

  66. “Rutherford…Bush visited a ton of injured soldiers and personally mailed letters to the families of the fallen. What’s your deal, man?

    I can understand your argument that Obama is taking his time with Afghanistan becuase he is thinking it through so intensely but what is with this whole “Obama is so much more solemn then Bush” thing? “– DR

    And he didn’t haul the media with him when he did it. Obama is desperate for a pat on the back.

  67. “More evidence of what a friggin brain-dead party the GOP is. It’s four days from the election. So she thinks she’s gonna lose. So what? It is too late to take her name off the ballot so anyone who was going to vote for her, still can. Her dropping out made no sense at all, and only shows what disarray the GOP is in right now.”– R

    She endorced the Democrat, maybe that is the best thing ever because it just goes to show why, when given an option for the RINO or a Conservative, she got decimated. I don’t think you guys get it, we’re tired of those who don’t stick to the party base principles highjacking our party. We’re taking the party back, then we’re taking the country back. Your time is up.

  68. “I think the NY race shows riff between fringe conservatives and moderate republicans/GOPers. Even if the Owens loses, which it is looking like he will, this doesn’t mean anything for the GOP. Conservatives are pushing out moderates from the republican party which only leaves the GOP with a small fraction of voters come national election time.”– Dimwit

    Wrong again, as usual. It sends a massive message to the Party, one that is pretty damn clear- WE DON’T WANT RINOs. Unlike you, we can articulate our political beliefs and our standards have not been honored for some time now- we’ve had enough. The fact that she endorced the Dem shows that 1) she’s not the least bit interested in our parties beliefs and 2) that she was a Republican only because the district she was in doesn’t like Dems.

    How can you call yourself and intellectual and a political watcher yet move these, the most basic of political machinations?

    In way over your head…

  69. “Chris Christie leads Jon Corzine 47-41 in PPP’s final poll of the New Jersey Governor’s race, with Chris Daggett at 11%.

    Corzine had pulled to within a point of Christie on our poll three weeks ago after trailing by as many as 14 points over the summer, but his momentum has stalled since then and Christie’s built his lead back up to 4 points last week and now 6.

    Christie’s advantage is due largely to his support from independents and because he has Republicans more unified around him than the Democrats are around Corzine. Christie leads Corzine 52-29 with indies, as Daggett’s support with that group has declined to 16%. Christie is getting 82% of Republicans to Corzine’s 72% of Democrats.

    As the campaign concludes it seems like Daggett’s presence in the race has actually ended up hurting Corzine more than Christie, contrary to the earlier conventional wisdom. 45% of Daggett voters say the incumbent is their second choice to 36% for the challenger. Daggett’s backers report having voted for Barack Obama by a 67-23 margin last year.”
    http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/

    Hmmmmmm, not looking good for Dems…

  70. “Having said all that, a Conservative party candidate eking out a plurality in a three-way race is one thing. A Conservative candidate winning head-to-head against a Democrat, with the endorsement of the Republican… well, the potential reverberations from this potential earthquake just got even bigger.”
    http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/

    “In a three way contest Doug Hoffman leads Bill Owens by 19 points. In a two way contest Hoffman leads Owens by 15 points. So the Dede Scozzafava withdrawal and endorsement will probably tighten the race some but not nearly enough.”
    http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/11/more-ny-23-mess.html

    😉

  71. Two very interesting points have come from this weekend.

    The first is that political ideology does trump political party. On Saturday- Halloween- the GOP candidate Scozzafava (who is quite liberal socially) got quite a fright from a Sienna Poll http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2009/10/siena-owens-and-hoffman-deadlo.html that found that she trailed the Conservative candidate (Hoffman) by 15 points. In that poll, Sienna found that Owens (Dems candidate) had a one point lead over Hoffman 36% to 35%.

    Yesterday, after Scozzafava not only withdrew from the race, but threw her backing behind the Dem candidate, PPP (Public Policy Polling) http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NY23_1101424.pdf found that Conservative Hoffman had a 17 point lead over Dem Owens, 51% to 34%. The GOP should be learning a valuable lesson from this- hold primaries and listen to the people.

    Conservatives have voted in line with the GOP because there has not been a viable alternative. Hoffman has shown that when an alternative is available, they’ll take it. The GOP should learn from this- conservatives will win the day and will challenge the parties lack of discipline on those who don’t hold to the party’s principles.

    The second interesting point is that Obama’s hallo doesn’t extend very far. The White House has made a major push over the last week on the two Governor races in Virginia and New Jersey. The Administration quickly abandoned the Virginia race pretty, blaming the numbers on the Dem candidates poorly run campaign. With that, Obama focused almost exclusively on the New Jersey race. Polls http://www.njbiz.com/article.asp?aID=79658 showed, prior to Obama stumping, Dem incumbent Corzine with a one point lead over GOP challenger Cristie, 40% to 39%. The race is now polling http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NJ_1101513.pdf Christie with a 6 point lead over Corzine, 47% to 41%.

    Daggett, a third party challenger who was thought to hurt Christie looks now to be more of a hindrance to Corzine.

    With Obama stumping so hard for the New Jersey race, one might think that his “rock star status” would help Corzine, but its not. The people either don’t care about Obama’s thoughts on this, or are holding Obama’s support against Corzine. Either way, this has to be quite the embarrassment for the Administration.

    Tomorrow doesn’t look good for the Dems and especially for Obama. Just one year later after the coronation of Obama, what do we see? A sounding defeat for Dem candidates and plummeting approval numbers for Obama do not bode well and this special electoral season very well could be a bell weather for 2010.

  72. R, 17 of the 18 families denied Obama permission to take pictures

    G, please get your facts straight. The 17 families did not know Obama would be there when they denied coverage. Since the Bush 41 era ban on coverage was lifted, every family can now opt-in to coverage or opt out. Obama had nothing to do with their decision.

  73. How about you explain how it is a federal issue?

    Protection of equal rights is a federal issue. Folks quote from the Constitution like they quote from the Bible. I find it rather funny.

  74. Elric, 😆

    Don’t you know the “gay” crowd collective ass was smokin’ at Greenwich Village Saturday night? I would rate Greenwich about even with Frisco for Obama rubes per 100.

    What Rutherford won’t even admit whether he approves of these Conservatives revolts, tea bag parties or not is how much more clever Conservatives are than Pinko, Marxist, Commie crowd, Jew hating, Pali loving crowd. Those signs are hilarious…

  75. And he didn’t haul the media with him when he did it.

    G, have you started working for WeaselZippers, cos that’s about the quality of your analysis this morning.

    “when he did it” …. Bush didn’t DO it, nor did Cheney. Neither went to Dover once. As for hauling media … as I stated before, one family opted into coverage without knowing Obama would show. One might argue that we might not have seen the coverage had Obama not shown, but he was a bystander … it was hardly a staged event.

    Suck it up Gorilla and admit that Obama paid tribute to the men you (and I) call heroes. And he did it when he least needed to do it. As I said before, not seeing the caskets made it much easier for Bush to be the “decider”.

  76. we’re tired of those who don’t stick to the party base principles highjacking our party.

    Yet I bet you welcome Joe Lieberman with open arms don’t you? As long as the “traitors” are on the other side, you’re happier than a pig in mud.

  77. Also, you are right, he didn’t go to Dover, but he repeatedly went to Walter Reed and wrote many personal letters. He didn’t take the media to Walter Reed, he did it privately and respectfully.

    To say that Obama didn’t need to go to Dover- please. He’s being beat up on his refusal to make a decision on Afghanistan, this little PR bit certainly was intended to help him.

    Tell me though, now that Abdalluh has pulled out and Karzi is it for President, what excuse will Obama use now to delay making a decision?

  78. Rutherford,

    You know how you are always accusing people of dodging? You didn’t address why President Anorexia shouldn’t be removed for not registering with Selective Service. It is the law…

    http://www.sss.gov/FSbenefits.htm

    By the way, Barack may wear the thin smile of being in control, but it is hard to hide the fact his cortisol levels must be off the scale to look the way he does. Too bad…stressing to the max, but it doesn’t seem to be affecting the bubble butted, big boned wife. She’s living large at all the orgies on the weekends they like to throw at taxpayer expense. The Obama’s know no shame and denigrate the Whitehouse.

  79. It sends a massive message to the Party

    LMAO Yes indeed it does. It sends a message to the GOP that we don’t want to run Congress or regain the White House for another 20 years.

    Sorry G, your radar is so off it ain’t funny. The further the right goes right, the more fringe they get and the more people they will lose in the big elections. I predict that independents (who decide elections nowadays) will go to the moderate opposition to Obama if Obama does not gain steam in the next couple of years. They will NOT go to fringe wingnuts who will set our country back socially by 50 years.

  80. This is a great find from Sensico … she managed to find Elric layin’ down some killer rhymes!

    Go Elric
    Go Elric
    Go Elric
    Put your hands in the air boyyyyyyyyyyyy!

  81. Anybody find it ironic that a man that espouses the most leftist of ideas, is preaching to the opposition about how they should choose their party.

    Rutherford knows that his party’s days are numbered. He’s reacting poorly to his hero getting shellacked from all sides. Rutherford is scared to death that male on male pole smoking might be moved back to the closet instead of the supermarket. Besides getting free stuff and having a more difficult time calling “it be racism”, it has become his calling.

    Here’s a toast to Rutherford Pelosi for being bitter to the end!

  82. Tex … orgies? LOL you do have a vivid imagination.

    Look at the before and after pics of virtually every President and you see a dude who has aged at twice the rate of the average person. I’m surprised with all the crap left on Obama’s plate by the previous administration that he isn’t using a walker by now.

    As for the selective service issue, I won’t answer your question until I’ve done more research.

  83. Gorilla, to your great frustration, Obama hasn’t made any excuse for not making a decision yet. In fact, reporters who regularly cover the White House haven’t the foggiest idea which way he is leaning. All of us pol watchers have conjectured that the Abdullah/Karzai thing was one of the factors. Who knows really?

    By the way, Abdullah dropping out didn’t help matters too much since he said he dropped out ‘cos he didn’t believe he could get a fair runoff. Afghanistan’s government is still sick to its core, and hardly a reliable partner in the “war on terror”.

  84. Looks to me like lefties age ungracefully. Remember, Obama has done this in 10 months. I figure if we can keep the pressure on, in about another six, I see a nervous breakdown and a wasting away. About a year, myocardial infarction takes the wafer.

    Actually, both Bushes looked pretty good leaving office, Reagan looked the same. Constant immorality, mafioso type shady deals, and being in over your head at all times will wear on you.

    Carter = beaten dog
    Clinton = AIDS patient
    Obama = Pee Wee Herman

    Make sure you do your research, but don’t wait too long.

  85. Rutherford is scared to death that male on male pole smoking might be moved back to the closet instead of the supermarket.

    LOL Speaking of which, one of my male neighbors actually got propositioned by some dude in a supermarket, no lie. He asked my neighbor what “team” he played for. My poor neighbor was clueless as to what this guy was getting at. I think the dude even made a comment about my neighbor’s “shoe size” LOL. Once he understood where the convo was headed, he high-tailed it (pardon the pun) out of there.

    Oh you’ll be happy to know that this same neighbor accompanied his kids trick-or-treating dressed as “Big Government”. He literally draped a TARP over his head. Like I told you, I’m in the minority in this neighborhood in more ways than one. 🙂

  86. As I said before, not seeing the caskets made it much easier for Bush to be the “decider”. yeah pretty dishonest comment there R.
    I think sitting beside a disfigured human being who can interact with you or going for a jog with an amputee is far more a burden on ones soul than caskets rolling off a cargo plane.

  87. One interesting note is how a year into the Obama regime, the only thing that pinkos have left to utilize on their plate is “the mess” Obama inherited. We see how that excuse in playing out in the public.

    Which by the way Rutherford, wasn’t Obama a large part of the mess he inherited? He was a sitting Senator if memory serves for the largest part of the “mess” years.

    I suppose you want to blame Bush for Obama’s beloved city Chicago looking like Gangland night after night too? President Kate Moss has so screwed up his own backyard, Gaza has become safer than Obama street.

    The man is a walking disaster of a leader. Every wear Barack governs, tragedy follows. When are you going to admit that The Bomba is a failure of epic proportions? If it is like it now after three more years of abject failure, are you still going to be dreaming up excuses while masturbating to MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann to get your posts?

    Rutherford, you got to get your self-respect back man.

  88. Obama hasn’t made any excuse for not making a decision yet.

    Yeah ‘cuz he doesn’t have an excuse and any explanation doesn’t really fly does it?

  89. Rutherford,

    Best Halloween costume I ever saw consisted of one large hefty trash bag draped around a dude that read:

    White Trash

  90. regards R in #102
    Funny you bring that up since as I mentioned to Sensico the HR 1913 thing would eliminate double jeopardy trumping states in a big way and trampling the rights of accussed. Kind f a good example why things should be a state thing if you ask me.

  91. Personally, I wish Obama would have stayed home and shot some more hoops, given another speech about how evil America is, or worked on his putting. The way he looks, I wish he would have eating more mash potatoes and left war to real men.

    One big difference with Reagan. He actually loved the country, but I wouldn’t expect you to understand this being you’re part of the left. Reagan never went on world tours where he didn’t speak of America’s greatness.

    Barack sounds Julian Bond when he goes out of the country telling our enemies what they want to hear. He mixes in a little John Kerry accusing our military of being Genghis Khan and Jimmah Carter Jew hating and presto – Taliban go wild. Obama definitely empowers the enemy which I can guarantee the feckless left is completely clueless about.

  92. Russia ’simulates’ nuclear attack on Poland

    Russia has provoked outrage in Poland by simulating an air and sea attack on the country during military exercises.

    Ah, it is just Bush’s fault that Obama inherited this mess.

    OH WAIT! Could it be that Obama is responsible for a bad decision that he can’t use Bush as an excuse?

    I guess Elric that Putin doesn’t appear to be terribly worried about the brilliant Barack’s “sea defense” system that Rutherford continues to brag about that Obama will implement?

    Obama hoodwinked again by a commie.

  93. Dang Rutherford, 😆

    You’re now using leftist shill like Jon Stewart as a reliable source of commentary? Couldn’t you get us a little Bill Maher and Bill Moyer for balance? Maybe Wanda Sykes? I guess that is a step up from Keith Olbermann. You’re getting warmer, getting warmer.

    FOX News is killing you guys in exposing you. You clowns are even weaker than I ever dreamed.

  94. Reason TV: Ayn Rand’s relevance
    posted at 12:15 pm on November 2, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    Reason TV kicks off its Ayn Rand retrospective this week with a look at how suddenly relevant the philosopher and novelist has become. A-list Hollywood stars want to make a movie from Atlas Shrugged, and suddenly “going Galt” has become a popular catchphrase for producer strikes. Who would have guessed that the era of Hope and Change would have produced Rand as a counter-cultural phenomenon?

    Well, perhaps Rand herself would have foreseen it — and in fact she did, in Atlas Shrugged:

    Just how much has Rand and her Objectivism returned to the fore? Her book, with no particular marketing campaign of which I’m aware, is just outside the top 100 books on Amazon, at #103. This is a perfect example of what Nick Gillespie calls “the long shelf life of Ayn Rand,” which springs from the natural impulse of a free people when confronted with statism, even so-called benevolent statism. In the novel, the producers of the world act individually, but eventually all reach the same conclusion.

    I agree with Nick that Rand may wind up being more relevant to this century than she was to the last. Rand’s message got a little lost as a result of the Cold War and its aftermath; we focused on Soviet statism as an external threat rather than progressive statism as an internal threat. At the moment, we have a clarity on that point that we never quite had in the previous 50 years.

    Fans of Marx need not watch

  95. Monday, November 2, 2009
    Obama Offers Taliban 6 Provinces for 8 Bases

    When Obama stated that he was going to reach out to the Islamic world, he was not kidding. The weakness of Obama has lead to the Taliban getting stronger. He has even given the Taliban the OK to participate in the future political landscape of Afghanistan. Apparently none of this was enough though, and now Obama is willing to share power in Afghanistan with the Taliban thugs. This is straight out of the Twilight Zone.

    http://islaminaction08.blogspot.com/2009/11/obama-offers-taliban-6-provinces-for-8.html

    Thuggy makes Dhimmi Carter look like Patton

  96. Actually, both Bushes looked pretty good leaving office, Reagan looked the same.

    LOL, well as for Bush 43, not using your brain much tends to keep you youthful, You can’t get stressed if you don’t actually register that there is something to be stressed about. 😉

    And Reagan …. how could he have looked any worse? The man was 102 when he went into the White House. 😀

  97. New Video of Jeremiah Wright Surfaces

    Who woulda thunk that WZ would give Jeremiah Wright a forum! Bravo! LOL

    When will WZ and others learn the best way to combat some rhetoric is to IGNORE it?

    P.S. As I listen to Wright I am reminded of Obama’s great race speech where he made it clear that Wright is a relic of the past. If you listen to him in that context, he is not nearly as threatening or even hateful as you make him out to be. He needs, quite simply, to move on.

  98. Inasmuch as we’ve just hit the Reverend Wright theme, I have a question for Tex, who waxes religious in this forum more than most.

    Tex, and I ask this sincerely, you are a Christian but also a small government Conservative. Please tell me how small government fulfills the lesson of Matthew 25:31 – 46?

    ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

    37″Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

    40″The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’

    When the government of what you call a Christian country, ignores the needs of the “least of us”, hasn’t something gone awry? Can small government fulfill the needs of the least of us?

  99. Explain Alfie, explain. I think it’s a legit question. It’s fascinating that folks can quote from the Koran to prove their point till the cows come home, but one quote from the Bible, and folks panties get in a huge knot.

  100. “Can small government fulfill the needs of the least of us?”

    Thats a damn good question, I’d like to see Alfie explain it without being melodramatic.

  101. I have no idea what just happened to my comment. 😆

    I’ll answer Rutherford later when I have the time. I believe Rutherford will have egg on his face once again. Densico smells of rotten eggs so it won’t matter.

  102. Tex,

    I expect no less from you. Just remember drones are masochists at heart and actually enjoy being humiliated so dont give them too much of what they want. 🙂

  103. Tex have at it but I have to put my two cents in- in2 being what I’m about online after all.

    R In no particular order your comment led me to the following:

    Struck by irony that an atheist would try to twist a Biblical passage for an agenda off social welfare or anything else for that matter.
    Struck further by my presumption that you’d be one of those separation of church and state folks. Yet here you go with this.
    I hate it when Christians cherry pick scripture for any reason so you can imagine whence an atheist does it it really pisses me off.
    Small government can be extremely effective. Bigger is by no means better. Our government was pretty small when it kicked the ass of the major power on the planet…twice!
    You possibly can’t fathom the decay humans experience secondary to dependence on government or charity so your comment is understandable. That doesn’t make it any less true though. Government has failed miserably at meeting the needs of the people. In fact a case can easily be made that government has exacerbated the troubles of the poor and downtrodden.Social decay in America as well as Britain are well documented and prove to be good reading for anyone that really cares.
    Bottom line people like you and obviously Sensico and every other damn liberal in the country miss the point. See folks like you want and need government to do what you as a human being should do. But you all can’t be bothered so you look to someone else to do it for you. You pay your taxes not only out of your perverse misconception of civic duty but to alleviate your innate guilt-the hallmark of a liberal.
    So that is the comment that answers you Rutherford and explains my earlier one.

  104. “Struck by irony that an atheist would try to twist a Biblical passage for an agenda off social welfare or anything else for that matter.”

    Does it shock you? Honestly? They sound like the progressives of old that tried that same crap.

  105. Done painting…

    Now to answer Rutherford. Do you believe most black men in America today are worse than infidels?

    Are you aware that we have in the last 45 years spent well over $7 trillion dollars as a country to provide a safety net for “the least of us?” And what have the results been? A catastrophe now reaching three generations of welfare recipients with no hope, no direction.

    Rutherford, why is that black Americans disproportionately would call themselves Christian, yet 72% of their babies are born out of wedlock? And for most of those children, dad never provides a dime of support, so guess who does?

    Now an explanation of my quid pro quo for you Rutherford. Let us see if you are man enough to take the following scripture and apply it correctly because this one is not much open to interpretation.

    1st Timothy 5:8
    But if any provide not for his own, and especially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith and is worse than an infidel.

    How about Rutherford. Are many black Americans worse than infidels? The Bible seems to say so.

  106. “I thought you said the writing was on the wall but that you weren’t actually laid off yet.”-R

    My job is toast come September for at least a year, maybe more.

  107. Elric,

    I saw that guest list tonight for the Whitehouse. I mean, does Bomba run with a pack of wolves, thugs, and jackboots or what?

    Unbelievable. Oprah was the best of the wolf pack and and I understand she’s an ogre off the set. Soros is setting up for the big change so he can finance more fascism.

    No James Bond, I want you to die! Buwahahahahahaha…

  108. Alfie, in answer to your comments:

    You start with the wrong premise. I am not an atheist. I find atheists as dogmatic as so-called religious people. I have no idea if God started all this or not. I happen not to believe that a “God” intervenes in our daily lives. I cannot prove He doesn’t anymore than anyone can prove to me that He does. I don’t think that makes me an atheist.

    I do believe in separation of church and state but sometimes one must argue in the other person’s playground, so I accept, for the sake of argument, Tex’s supposition (which he has made before) that this is a Christian country.

    The only thing you have said small government is good at is war. That is hardly serving the needs of the “least of us” except perhaps in the area of basic protection.

    And no, you actually haven’t answered why I should be ashamed of my question. In fact, your thought out answer (with which I don’t agree) validates that the question was worth asking.

    Now, we’ll see what Tex says … should be interesting. 😉

  109. First, I knew Tex would answer my scripture with scripture. If I were more scholarly in the Bible, I could retort and we could go back and forth all night. Sadly, one of the Bible’s deficits (as with many books) is that it is a dangerous thing in the wrong hands. 😉

    I find it interesting that you limit your analysis to the black community considering how many poor white folk there are. Your point would be better made if you simply talked about the poor. I certainly did not mean to equate the “least of us” with black people. Perhaps one of the liabilities of being a black blogger is the assumption that I base everything from there. I don’t.

    Now I know it’s probably blasphemy for me to put a spin on the words in Timothy, but I see a word hidden in that statement that you don’t see:

    “But if any provide not for his own [willfully], and especially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith and is worse than an infidel.”

    You see, no one needs to be an expert on the Bible to know that the above interpretation is consistent with what I quoted from Matthew. The “least of us” do not include the indolent and irresponsible. They include folks who for many reasons other than willful ignorance and sloth, have not found success. So your quote from Timothy is little better than a dodge. (If you take in the entire chapter, there is an assumption there that widows have relatives they should be able to rely upon before they rely on the church.)

    I’m surprised … I thought you could do better than that. The fact that you use Timothy 5:8 in this way, betrays a rather cruel mind set on your part methinks. 😉

  110. The one thing Tex will get out of this exercise, by the way, is that he does have me opening my online version of the Bible. At this rate, I may read more scripture this week than I’ve read in the past 10 years. 🙂

  111. Rutherford,

    As usual you ignored the content of my question and didn’t answer anything. In this particular subject, you remind me of Densico. Unfortunately for you, you are completely ignorant of scripture, you couldn’t anymore trade tit for tat with me concerning it than you can save your own life, and you are getting ready to look the fool when we do the math.

    Having left that out your typical perversion of scripture of a moment, can you tell me if you think $7 trillion allocated for the least among us is generous? Because when we do the math, I think you’ll find you’re a fool once again. 🙂

    Would you like to divide for me the amount allocated by the number of citizens in the United States and see what that comes out to? Or do you need help?

  112. “I saw that guest list tonight for the Whitehouse. I mean, does Bomba run with a pack of wolves, thugs, and jackboots or what?”

    Who else would he hang with? His “church” was marxist.

  113. Newsweek’s Fineman To Matthews: “Of Course” Obama Is “Much Smarter” Than Us!

    Posted by: Greg Hengler at 2:04 PM
    The slobber-fest from the non-Fox News people continues… and it will probably never end. Note the reaction from the rest of the “non-partisan” guests.

  114. Rutherford,

    I would like to beat you up some more about your pointing to scripture to make an argument. And this time, I will do it “professionally” to deconstruct just how maliciously perverted your thinking.

    We’ll treat this like we are in a court of law for the jury to decide and let the chips fall where they will.

    You are consistent. When I have continually razzed, mocked and pointed fingers at your hero’s failures, you always revert back to the same pattern – looking up on your online Bible to find some nugget of knowledge. It’s like a defense mechanism. But perhaps you were right in at least one regard. The Lord does work in mysterious ways – maybe if you search hard enough, you will find what you desperately need to find. If you do, here’s a prediction:

    You won’t be voting for Obama anymore. 😉

  115. Video: The real lessons of Europe’s nanny-state health care system
    posted at 12:55 pm on November 3, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    As Barack Obama and the Democrats attempt to remake the American health-care system into the European model, a European economist warns the US that they have fundamentally misunderstood the lessons of EuroCare. Universal coverage is not the same thing as universal care, Elina van den Broek instructs, and that the only equality we can expect is equally long wait times and equally unresponsive providers. The Center for Freedom and Prosperity offers this as part of its continuing series on the high cost and damaging distortions that come with heavy government interventions:

    Ms. van den Broek makes the same point here that I have made all year. We actually have a model of low-cost, high-availability health care in our system right now, and not coincidentally, it’s the markets without third-party payers: cosmetic surgery and Lasik. Providers compete to keep prices low, consumers pay out of their own pockets without interference from governments or employers, and as a result we have rational pricing and a plethora of providers. If we wanted reform that lowered cost and improved accessibility, we should be pursuing the lessons of the markets that actually produce those results, rather than models which result in the exact opposite.

  116. Rutherford you’re killing me…
    First pack up the nuance kid,you are an atheist. If you don’t believe A god or God is involved in your life you pretty much eliminate all the major religions.
    As for the war bit. I wasn’t going there honestly at least not in the sense you apply. I was simply stating that a relatively small government stepped up to the pinnacle of human government achievement.
    Also you seem to have missed the rest or don’t have an opinion.Its not the governments job!!! Big or small. Step up and get off the teet please!!! And let’s be clear I was more about calling you on using scripture.

  117. And let’s be clear I was more about calling you on using scripture.

    I think using scripture is completely appropriate when dealing with an audience, some of whom claim this is a Christian country. It is only natural then, to look to the Bible for guidance in our policies. Is it not?

    As for the atheism thing … maybe a bit of nuance there but I like to think I avoid the dogma of the religious who say they know there is a God and the atheist who says he knows there isn’t one. I guess I am differentiating between knowledge and belief. I don’t know crap and don’t know how anyone else can know such things. Belief is another matter.

  118. When I have continually razzed, mocked and pointed fingers at your hero’s failures, you always revert back to the same pattern – looking up on your online Bible to find some nugget of knowledge.

    Actually Tex, I can think of only one time that I turned to scripture in debating you and I think that was when I quoted “judge not lest ye be judged” in argument we had many moons ago about homosexuality. Besides that, I defy you to show examples where I “revert back” to quoting from the Bible.

  119. Rutherford, it is possible I have confused you with Wally Curator, as he represents the worst of lib theology. You all look alike to me. 🙂

    But I do believe that you would find more than one occasion here and at Chen’s place. I can think of two more right off the top of my head that had nothing to do with homosexuality. The Ten Commandment debate about capital punishment vs. abortion and a debate we once had at Chen’s about the Koran vs. the Bible where you got bent about me calling the Koran a ripoff of the Torah without the mercy. I believe that is where I made you first laugh about me making fun of Mohammad sniffing glue while conversing with the Angel Gabriel.

    If I knew how to search quickly, I would do so because you would find you’re getting forgetful.

  120. By the way, I request of you to find me a quote where I called the United States a Christian country, other than to note about 75-80% of America would call themselves Christian. I have on many occasions here said America is quite secular.

    Now I am sure I did say America was founded by Christians, as that an indisputable fact and that it was never intended to be that way. But there is a difference.

  121. Late breaking and VERY satisfying news on an otherwise sad night for Dems. Owens beats Hoffman …. Sarah is kiss of death to GOP just as I said she would be!!

    BURN BABY BURN!!!!

    Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha LOL LOL LOL 😀 🙂 😀 🙂 👿

  122. R, why don’t you explain how a deep blue state like New Jersey just elected a GOP governor? I know, you’ll claim that Obama’s efforts were heroic in the face of how unpopular Corzine was, but considering how much effort Obama put into New Jersey, certainly you have to admit that he is not the motivator you thought.

    As for NY-23, Owens didn’t win the majority, but a plurality. More importantly, if the GOP had help a primary, then we would have never had the lib RINO on the ticket in the first place and the conservative candidate would have had time to better articulate his platform. We’ll be watching this seat in 2010 and it will not be a surprise if Owens loses it then.

  123. Another really important point- absentee ballots were already submitted BEFORE the RINO pulled out of the race. 10 to 1 says that if those folks could revote, it would have pushed Hoffman over the top. Notice, the votes she got would have overcome the margin that Owens won by. Another lesson for the GOP…

  124. While you’re pulling you NJ explanation out of your ass, I seem to remember being told that Virginia was now a blue state and how big a deal it was that Obama won it in ’08. Every GOP candidate won by a margin of at least 10%- not very blue…

  125. Inasmuch as we’ve just hit the Reverend Wright theme, I have a question for Tex, who waxes religious in this forum more than most.

    Tex, and I ask this sincerely, you are a Christian but also a small government Conservative. Please tell me how small government fulfills the lesson of Matthew 25:31 – 46?

    ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

    37″Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

    40″The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’

    When the government of what you call a Christian country, ignores the needs of the “least of us”, hasn’t something gone awry? Can small government fulfill the needs of the least of us?” — R

    The answer to this is obviously, yes. But there is a critical fault in the premise of the question: this isn’t a call for the action of government, but a moral question on the generosity of men. This is consistently where the left goes wrong: the government and man are not one in the same, they aren’t equivalents, they aren’t peers, and they are not synonymous with one another.

    The role of government is administration: create opportunity, remove obstacles, maintain due diligence to its charter, as defined by the people. No where in this is the government charged with babysitting.

    “Any people that would give up liberty for a little temporary safety deserves neither liberty nor safety.” Benjamin Franklin

    “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.” Patrick Henry

    “Government is not reason; it is not eloquence. It is force. And force, like fire, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.” George Washington

    A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicity. Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address.

    “We, the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln

  126. RIYADH (Reuters) – A Saudi court of cassation upheld a ruling to behead and crucify a 22-year-old man convicted of raping five children and leaving one of them to die in the desert, newspapers reported on Tuesday.

    The convict was arrested earlier this year after a seven-year old boy helped police in their investigation. The child left in the desert after the rape was three years old, Okaz newspaper said.

    International rights groups have accused the kingdom, the birthplace of Islam, of applying draconian justice, beheading murderers, rapists and drug traffickers in public. So far this year about 40 people have been executed in Saudi Arabia.

    In Saudi Arabia, crucifixion means tying the body of the convict to wooden beams to be displayed to the public after beheading.

    While I can find fault with many archaic things in the region, I think there is something here for note. Certainly sends a message, and not necessarily a bad one.

  127. Gorilla, 😆

    Yeah, I had to laugh when I turned on FOX last night and one of Obama’s toadies said he wasn’t watching the returns. That’s about like saying Rutherford doesn’t like politics – these clowns around Obama know nothing else, especially the ballerina Rahm Emanuel. There were probably 50 of the TV sets going, 100 computers scanning the globe for any nugget of information, and a war room of Obama toadies planning excuses for the following day.

    The Obama family did what any normal family does when faced with a death – in this case, Obama’s political future. The loving mother picks up the kids too young to understand the ramifications of the “death” and takes them someplace to get their mind away from the coming tsunami. The father with a tear in his eye watches the wake.

    Rutherford should be nominated to Obama’s cabinet. He spins better than the lame lackeys around Obama at the moment. I can almost guarantee you he’s writing as we speak with a coming post about how this was actually a referendum against Conservatism – you watch. 😉

  128. R, we’ve had this discussion before on my blog, and here is further reading proving my point. Dems have completely misread the political environment and will pay a dear price for it.

    “…Independents turned sharply against George W. Bush in 2005. They believed the war in Iraq had been a mistake and their post-9/11 confidence in Bush’s leadership was undermined when the government seemed unprepared for Hurricane Katrina. That confidence dissipated entirely as the economy soured and the budget deficit soared. Republicans paid a steep price for these misgivings, as 57 percent of independents voted Democratic during the 2006 midterm elections.

    But these voters were not embracing the Democratic Party as a whole or endorsing liberal policies across the board. They were simply firing the Republicans and sticking it to George W. Bush. They remained angry at the system, at the direction of the country, and at the state of the economy. Yesterday’s election results flow directly from the Democrats’ failure to understand these facts… ”

    http://spectator.org/archives/2009/11/04/the-angry-independent

  129. R, why don’t you explain how a deep blue state like New Jersey just elected a GOP governor?

    You want to know why Corzine lost? He was a Wall Street multimillionaire, when New Jersey continues to have the highest property taxes, second-highest sales tax rate and third-highest top income rate in the nation. Corzine increased the sales tax from 6 cents to 7 cents, raised the top income tax rate to 10.67 percent, increased tolls on the Garden State Parkway and New Jersey Turnpike. All this when the entire countries economy goes into a tailspin. On top of that he has rolled over for every employee union in the state. Every pundit said he was weak and vulnerable. His whole first term is full of halfway measures on everything from curbing spending and borrowing, to implementing any ethics reforms. In short Corzine did nothing to warrant re-election.

    We are supposed to be surprised buy this? NJ might be a blue state but it had a weak, self-serving decision-making, ineffective governor.

  130. Curator, I had to do a double take. There for a second, I thought you were talking about Obama…

    Nope. Please point out where Obama has raised our taxes.

    Do you consider Obama a “weak, self-serving decision-making, ineffective” president?

  131. Yes.

    Tobacco, and if healthcare and cap & trade passes. Also, letting tax cuts expire in this economy was tantamount to a tax hike.

    Maybe he shoul have focused on economics instead of community organizing when he was in college…

  132. Why so much disdain for the President? I thought you were active duty Army? Careful your UCMJ is showing. I’ll take tax increases on tobacco to fund SCHIP (State Children’s Health Insurance Program) anytime. It should have a positive effect of reducing teenage smoking,

  133. While you’re pulling you NJ explanation out of your ass, I seem to remember being told that Virginia …

    As you well know, Virginia has a habit of selecting Governors of the opposite party of the President.

  134. HEY RUTHERFORD!

    You didn’t answer my question about the trillions spent on the “least of us”. If you’re going to ask me questions and expect a response, you need to return the favor. 😉

  135. As you well know, Virginia has a habit of selecting Governors of the opposite party of the President.

    By 20 point margins? 😆 You are something else Rutherford. Damn, I do admire your steadfastness. Like a poodle who continues to go back the dog fight after having an ear torn off.

    Man, that Virginia is a fickle state. Admit it Rutherford, it’s a direct reflection on Obama and his minions. Things don’t turn in ten months that quickly unless there is a “huge” change in opinion, you’re in for a beatdown of major league proportions.

    A Dim ought to win New Jersey if he is Al Capone. Hell, you start with a 10 point lead from all the dead relatives voting. You’re going to get your ass kicked next year like never before if you don’t tell Bambi to change his colors (no pun intended).

  136. the trillions spent on the “least of us”.

    I never implied that our government has consistently acted in opposition to Matthew. I simply asked how you, a Christian, could advocate the government acting in the future in opposition to Matthew.

    If I were a betting man, I’d wager I could dig up a Biblical quote that says protecting the weak is righteous in and of itself, without regard to the end result. 😉

  137. Rutherford,

    I advocate it because it has destroyed those intended to benefit – as I showed by multi-generational welfare. Without purpose Rutherford, there is no hope.

    Have I ever implied there shouldn’t be a safety net for those not capable?

  138. Have I ever implied there shouldn’t be a safety net for those not capable?

    Fascinating! So please describe your version of the safety net. And how will your safety net not use my tax dollars?

  139. By 20 point margins? Yes nitwit.

    Strickland won by 24% in Ohio in 2006.

    I read the same numbers came out for the GOP this time as did in 2008. Young and minority voters who vote Democrat stayed home this time around, some demographics dropped 15% from 2008.

  140. Do you consider Obama a “weak, self-serving decision-making, ineffective” president?

    You really needed to ask that question? For the conservatives in this forum, Obama can do NO RIGHT.

  141. By the way, if V is an indictment of Obama, what would you say the last season of “24” was? Clearly an indictment of Bush (although I suspect the show’s producers lean right and believe in the Jack Bauer approach to foreign relations,)

  142. I can almost guarantee you he’s writing as we speak with a coming post about how this was actually a referendum against Conservatism – you watch. 😉

    Stop it Tex … folks are gonna begin to think we live together. 😉

  143. “Why so much disdain for the President? I thought you were active duty Army? Careful your UCMJ is showing. I’ll take tax increases on tobacco to fund SCHIP (State Children’s Health Insurance Program) anytime. It should have a positive effect of reducing teenage smoking,” — Curator

    I’m not in the Army, I just go to war with them, so the UCMJ doesn’t apply to me.

    The President is a moron- period. You guys keep your head in the sand on Tuesday’s results, ignore the numbers, disregard the people, thats ok with me. It’ll just make 2010 that much sweeter.

  144. R, just curious on your thoughts in the Mayorial election in Atlanta.

    The big mistake being made by some in Atlanta is some crazy notion that white is right. In other words, that success is measured in racial terms and that the election of a white mayor somehow negates the role that black mayors have had since 1973 in rebuilding Atlanta.

    It’s all utterly stupid. Success has no race. Kudos that black leadership was instrumental in Atlanta’s success but so what? No reason why Norwood can’t continue the tradition.

  145. Hey Curator,

    Being you’re an expert pundit about all of Obama’s successes, how does that 10.2% unemployment rate grab you “nitwit?”

    Looks like Obama and you might be working in the cubicle one day together. You a betting man?

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