HCR: When is the Fight Worth It?

One of the roles of government is to make the country run efficiently and effectively. Unfortunately, government cannot be separated from politics. Politics, more often than not interferes with effective government. Such is the source of my dismay with the current health care reform (HCR) debate. There is much chatter about Obama needing a “win”. The suggestion is that any health care bill is better than none. With Joe Lieberman now endangering the prospects for passing the bill and with talk of an end run involving reconciliation, isn’t it time for us to take a sober look at what we’re fighting for?

A few nights ago, MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow did a good job of articulating the various choices before us:

1. Robust public option: A government run reimbursement system similar to Medicare that forces private insurance companies to compete for customers.
2. The opt-out: Every state adopts the public option at first but gets a chance to opt out at a later time. (This creates the interesting scenario of seeing which states would have the balls to opt out after their residents have gotten a taste of the public option.)
3. The opt-in: Only states that want to use the public option have to. Does this go far enough to make affordable health care available to everyone?
4. The “trigger”: The public option gets enforced only after the insurance companies have had time to clean up their act and have failed to do so. Does anyone really believe the legislation could be written strictly enough for the trigger to ever get pulled?
5. No public option under any circumstances.

If the goal is to make insurance available to more people and at lower cost, then option 1 is really the only one that achieves this. Options 2 through 4 provide too much wiggle room to be effective. Option 5 is essentially the Baucus bill out of the Senate that simply puts more customers into the hands of a malicious insurance industry.

Has anyone noticed that all the debate is centered around expanding care to all at an affordable price but little debate revolves around reforming insurance “worst practices” such as exclusions based on pre-existing conditions.  Of course, this gets mentioned in Obama’s speeches and we hear story after story of insurance company abuses against their customers. But no one is fighting over that point. Maybe because only a callous fool would defend not insuring a baby because he was “too fat” or not insuring a woman because her pregnancy was considered a pre-existing condition.

What I fear is that while Washington fights over the money, we may lose important reforms that don’t cost us a dime (other than lowering insurance company profits a bit). I am no longer sure that I agree that any bill will do. I am not sure that the result we are awaiting is a flashy bill signing ceremony at the White House, another notch in Obama’s belt. Finally I am not sure that if reconciliation cannot get us option 1 (the only real option for availability and affordability) that it is worth it to go that route. To run an endgame around the system to get a sad compromise just increases the polarization in our government for no good reason, not to mention the fact that all these options don’t kick in for years to come.

I say if we don’t have the votes for option 1, then let’s strip out all of the affordability/availability legislation and draft a bill that simply regulates the insurance industry to stop abuses. Let’s make the regulatory legislation effective within 12 months. That will be a major step forward. With that done, we can build on that victory and get everything else we want down the line.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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177 thoughts on “HCR: When is the Fight Worth It?

  1. Lord, another awful and empty headed thread to comment about. Be thankful for small things Tex – at least it is not Sarah Palin.

    How about we ask government to do two things and two things only, and then see what happens? Why don’t we ask the government first to remove the restriction of non-competitive clauses for insurance industries across state lines, implement major tort reform, and see what happens about the cost Rutherford? You know, maybe take a prudent approach first, being government run anything hasn’t worked out too well?

    Oh, you say we can’t do that? That your party is still indebted to the ambulance chasers and tort reform not a possibility?

    I’m curious Rutherford. Why is tort reform not the first priority on your list of things to do? There’s no cost besides opportunity associated with it? Gives you something to legislate.

    Can you see why I think you and your ilk nothing but a bunch of useless, fraudulent jackboots not really interested in fixing the system but in increasing your power? If you can’t compete on a level playing field, just eliminate the competition hey?

  2. Elric,

    1. Robust public option: A government run reimbursement system similar to Medicare that forces private insurance companies to compete for customers.

    What is it you suppose that “progressives” like Rutherford don’t understand about broke and fraud? They seem like such simple concepts to understand. Perhaps if I continue to talk to Rutherford in “progressive” language? Homeless and screwed?

  3. Rutherford,

    I’ll make you a bet. Why don’t you push for this as even you can’t argue this would be fair.

    You know how you east coast liberals and chatty cathy left coast types are always squawking about how much smarter you are than all of us southern rednecks? Why don’t you implement a government based solution for all of the blue states only that so love Obama? Try it out and show us how it works?

    Two provisos…(1) if you choose to participate in the other’s programs and cross state lines for care, cash only; (2) only those states who adopt Obamacare pay for it.

    How about it? You prove your mettle and if you can show all of us dummies how it works?

    Think of how much you could brag about it.

  4. Here’s another crock of shiite that libs love to quote in their feel good philosophy except when they personally have to pay for it:

    but little debate revolves around reforming insurance “worst practices” such as exclusions based on pre-existing conditions.

    Do we demand that all drivers pay the same price for auto insurance? Does the three time DWI drunk pay the same price as accident free 45 year old house mom? Should we demand that the $5MM mansion be insured for the same price as the dump? Do we demand that life insurance premiums be the same price no matter the age?

  5. “Abdullah, also known as Christopher Thomas, preached anti-government rhetoric, and some of his followers converted to Islam while in prison, FBI officials said.”

    Hmmmm…. anti-government rhetoric? RACISTS!!!

  6. Hey Elric … it’s called Plan B. If you’re a dumbass ideologue, you pursue only one course of action. If you’re smart, you figure out alternatives. The bottom line is protection of Israel and any other state that feels threatened by Iran. It can be achieved by keeping Iran from going atomic or building a defense system if Plan A fails.

  7. Why don’t we ask the government first to remove the restriction of non-competitive clauses for insurance industries across state lines

    Yup, I like that.

    implement major tort reform

    Ahhh, now that’s an interesting one. I don’t disagree with it but how do you implement it? I see a Sarah Palin death panel scenario:

    Who gets to decide what is a frivilous lawsuit? Who gets appointed to determine that your relative didn’t get killed by an incompetent doctor, and how much you should get for it?

    I find it fascinating that everyone of you conservatives lines up behind Sarah Palin to warn us about the government deciding what procedures we can and cannnot have, yet you don’t give a second’s thought to some body (government or not) deciding whether malpractice has occurred. So Tex, give me your plan for tort reform.

    As for your blue state suggestion … that essentially is the opt-in plan, isn’t it?

    Finally, regarding pre-existing conditions, the problem is not that people with pre-existing conditions should pay more than “healthy” people, it is that people with pre-existing conditions are being excluded altogether. So your analogy with auto and life insurance falls apart.

  8. Rutherford, as cold as this may sound, you should pay far more health insurance than my family does. Far more because you cost more. Trust me, you can find insurance, though it may not be affordable. That’s the breaks. You should fend for yourself and quit asking others to share your burden. Ask Satan for assistance – you’ll get further than you do with his assistant Devil Obama. 👿

    As to your comment about states “opt out”, I’ve got a better idea that your state “opt in” and that my state have nothing to do with it. No payment, no taxes, no burden, no responsibility.

    No, they are not one and the same and that is why you are proposing for states to “opt out”. You’ll steal anyway you can…

  9. UN Agenda 21 – Coming to a Neighborhood near You
    By Scott Strzelczyk and Richard Rothschild

    Most Americans are unaware that one of the greatest threats to their freedom may be a United Nations program known as Agenda 21. The United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs, Division for Sustainable Development created Agenda 21 as a sustainability agenda which is arguably an amalgamation of socialism and extreme environmentalism brushed with anti-American, anti-capitalist overtones.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/un_agenda_21_coming_to_a_neigh.html

  10. Obama’s Website: Hub of Hate – by Jamie Glazov

    Frontpage Interview’s guest today is Pamela Geller, founder, editor and publisher of the popular and award-winning weblog AtlasShrugs.com. She has won acclaim for her interviews with internationally renowned figures, including John Bolton, Geert Wilders, Bat Ye’or, Natan Sharansky, and many others, and has broken numerous important stories — notably the questionable sources of some of the financing of the Obama campaign. Her op-eds have been published in The Washington Times, The American Thinker, Israel National News, Frontpage Magazine, World Net Daily, and New Media Journal, among other publications.

    FP: Pamela Geller, welcome back to Frontpage Interview.

    You have been observing Obama’s official website. What exactly is going on there?

    Geller: During the 2008 presidential election, Barack Obama’s website, Organizing for America, hosted a series of vile anti-American, Jew-hating posts and pieces.

    http://frontpagemag.com/2009/10/28/obamas-website-hub-of-hate-by-jamie-glazov/

    Would explain why he is allowing Iran to get nukes.

  11. “Who gets to decide what is a frivilous lawsuit?”– R

    Tell you what, don’t have a bar defining what is or isn’t a frivilous lawsuit, just require that the loser has to pay the attorney fees for the winner.

    The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of malpractice cases are thrown out as frivilous by the courts, but there is no consequences for this. Hospitals and insurance companies settle out of court to save money- it is frankly cheaper to pay off than to fight the case, and considering the 96% of trial lawyers contribute to the Dems, it is a little naieve to think that they will correct this problem…

  12. Oh, by the way, the insurance companies have a profit margin of around 2% and rank somewhere around 34 on the industry list.

  13. As to your comment about states “opt out”, I’ve got a better idea that your state “opt in”

    Read my comment again Tex … I said:

    “As for your blue state suggestion … that essentially is the opt-in plan, isn’t it?”

    So we’re saying the same thing.

  14. As for my paying more for insurance based on higher risk … or greater likelihood of “cashing in”, I don’t find that cold at all. The elderly should probably pay a bit more also. By the same token, it shouldn’t bankrupt me or anyone else to pay the premiums and none of us should be outright denied.

  15. By the same token, it shouldn’t bankrupt me or anyone else to pay the premiums and none of us should be outright denied.

    I think you’ll be “cashing out” in your case… but I think we are saying the same thing. 😉

    However, you shouldn’t have to go bankrupt for major medical. I nominate you for Medicaid. 🙂

  16. Oh, by the way, the insurance companies have a profit margin of around 2% and rank somewhere around 34 on the industry list.

    I wonder how that jibes with the figure I’ve heard which is that insurance companies pocket roughly 30% of what they take in? Now this isn’t profit necessarily … maybe just inefficiency?

  17. HERE IT COMES– Pelosi to Make Public Dem’s Nationalized Health Care Plan
    Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 8:28 PM
    Jim Hoft

    The Pelosi House democrats will release their version of Obamacare tonight. It will be the first time that Republicans have seen the bill.

    In the US Senate, Republicans have not seen the Democrat’s health care legislation that was evaluated by the CBO.

    Verum Serum released another exceptional video on the democrat’s plan to takeover the health care industry:

    Morgen adds: Watching these clips, and reflecting back on the past 6 months, I still find it hard to believe that this transparent deception hasn’t even warranted a mention outside of conservative media.

    What is most shocking from the video is how blatantly dishonest President Obama has been about the takeover of the health care industry.
    It really is unbelievable.

  18. Maureen Dowd Finally Admits Media Is Giving Obama A Pass Because He’s Black: ‘His race also gives him cover’ . . .

    WeaselZippers slogan is:

    “Scouring the Bowels of the Internet so you Don’t Have To”

    They are basically Internet toilet paper. That Elric is so enamored of them says a great deal about Elric. One standard MO of WZ is to take four words out of an article and then make a headline out of it.

    The NY Times article by Maureen Dowd has nothing to do with the media giving Obama a free pass because he is black. The article is about Obama’s brush with accusations of sexism in his recreational activities (in particular golf). All Dowd said was that his race was a distraction from his gender attitudes. Folks are less likely to accuse a black guy of being exclusive.

    It’s a shame I had to waste my time explaining what the article really said. I’ll give WZ this much credit. They do at least link to the original source material. So anyone who quotes them (like Elric does ad infinitum) without reading the source material shows themselves to be the assh*les that they are.

  19. Rutherford, I have a suggestion about the next topic – Obama’s broken campaign promises. I was thinking last night about this “transparent administration”.

    That ‘spirit of bipartisanship’ that you Obama promised in his campaign speeches? Where is it?

    We know Obama refused to meet with any Republicans while crafting the first edition of health care reform. And as I’ve challenged you guys many times without answer, we know that government cannot run any program efficiently, so the American public isn’t about to entrust 1/6th of the US economy to them.

    You said that Obama is a laid back dude and not vengeful and creates an atmosphere of no fear? Yet over the last 10 months I have repeatedly heard this President and his jackboots call Conservativds traitors, unamerican, neanderthals, astroturf, ad nauseum…

    This White House under Obama has set up an email account and has asked regular American citizens to spy on and report other regular American citizens for their ‘fishy emails and casual conversations’ that go against the Democratic party line on health care.

    This peacemaker of yours is on record going after the one and only news network that isn’t showering him with all the love and affection he so needs.

    Race relations are deteriorating as we speak, so where is this promise of reconciliation, hope & change Obama spoke of so eloquently last year?

    Looks to me like a big lie – would Obama lie to us Rutherford? 😛

    P.S. – Where is Wally Curator to respond to these charges? Run over to his website Rutherford and wave the white flag calling for help. I want to slap him around some more, because unlike you, Wally is humorless and the slapping so much sweeter!

  20. And Wally Curator thinks Obamacare would be best for our country? From a regime that couldn’t manage the “Cash for Clunkers” program anymore effectively than this?

    Clunkers: Taxpayers paid $24,000 per car

    http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/28/autos/clunkers_analysis/index.htm

    Rutherford, why should I have any confidence in this government please? Something a little deeper than Obama’s not Bush, because right now I predict that George Bush far more popular, even if you don’t realize it.

  21. From the Gateway Pundit article referenced by Elric:

    But as US soldiers continue to serve in harm’s way the president continues to dither and waffle about sending more troops into Afghanistan to finish the job.
    October was the deadliest month for the US in Afghanistan.

    This is the brash talk of folks who don’t know what they’re talking about. What does “finish the job” mean? We don’t even have a well defined end game yet. Many fear that in Afghanistan, there is no “finishing the job” … ask the British, ask the Russians, ask Alexander the friggin Great.

    And when this 40,000 can’t “finish the job”, we send in another 40,000?

    I think Obama was at Dover today because he is about to make a decision and he wanted to remind himself of the cost of that decision. There’s nothing like watching a bunch of dead bodies come home to help clarify what you are about to do. Those aren’t just dead bodies …. they’re dead fathers, sons, daughters, wives, husbands, etc. For every dead soldier there are scores of other people whose lives have been forever changed. This is a decision you deliberate on until you can look yourself in the mirror about your decision.

    To the folks who say he “dithers”, I say f*ck you.

  22. Rutherford,

    To show you how vulgar Obama is and how concerned he is as CiC for these “dead fathers, sons, daughters, wives, husbands”, I believe you will find Obama is waiting until after the elections next week in New Jersey and Virginia to make his announcement about sending more troops so that he won’t alienate his minions from attending to the polling booth.

    Obama is about playing politics and power – he cares nothing of the soldiers. There is nothing Obama cares more about than Obama and his gigantic ego. People that aren’t Obama shoe shiners are beginning to recognize this. The man Hope & Change has once again proven to be devil in disguise and an utter failure, as deaths are beginning to mount in Afghanistan due to Obama’s utter incompetence and “dithering.”

  23. The Money article posted by Tex at least tried to be objective, pointing out that while a good number of the cars sold under Cash for Clunkers would have been sold anyway, the net effect of the program is exactly what we wanted … stimulus to the economy.

  24. Europe angry over Obama’s indecision on Afghanistan?
    posted at 12:15 pm on October 29, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    Has Dick Cheney gone European on us, or has Europe gone Cheneyesque? Neither, actually, but both Europe and Cheney have something in common, according to a Der Speigel editorial. Both of them have grown impatient with Barack Obama’s lengthy decision-making process on Afghanistan:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/29/europe-angry-over-obamas-indecision-on-afghanistan/

    LOL

  25. Rutherford, 😆

    You are unbelievably optimistic about the MaO policies no matter how big the failure. I give you that.

    Did you read that it took $24K to administer each car? And even if it did “stimulate” the economy, my question then would be which economy?

    Only a lib would take giving things away and absorbing a huge cost while doing so as a stimulus. Somewhere, Spock weeps for millions of American libs.

  26. Another bailout for GM?
    posted at 1:36 pm on October 29, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    Maybe three’s the charm? After two bailouts and a politicized bankruptcy that ended up being a big payoff to the United Auto Workers, the credit arm of General Motors wants even more taxpayer money. Why? Because, silly geese, GMAC is just too big to fail:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/29/another-bailout-for-gm/

    All tax payers are weeping Tex.

  27. Heard on Beck today about Thuggy and his golfing. Played clips of Moore and Overbite condemning Bush for playing golf. Where are these vermin when Thuggy is playing golf at 4 times the rate that Bush did. And why did Thuggy campiagn on increasing troops when he is now ignoring the body count so he can improve his golf swing?

  28. RE:1. Robust public option: A government run reimbursement system similar to Medicare that forces private insurance companies to compete for customers.

    A few definitions for Public option (included is Single Payer):

    A public option, or “nationalized plan,” is a government-run, government-funded health insurance option offered as an alternative to private insurance companies. Obama has said a public option will make health care more affordable, because people would pay premiums 10 to 20 percent less than they would in a private insurance plan.

    “Single payer”

    A term used to describe a system that would collect all health care fees and pay out all health care costs. This type of financing system has been proposed to eliminate administrative waste, because it would force doctors and hospitals to bill one entity for services — rather than several private insurance companies that have different billing procedures.

    From: http://www.nationaljournal.com/njonline/no_20090804_3238.php

    The public option proposed by some Democrats makes a public health insurance plan available in health insurance exchanges or gateways, alongside private plans, for some uninsured Americans.

    RE: Has anyone noticed that all the debate is centered around expanding care to all at an affordable price but little debate revolves around reforming insurance “worst practices” such as exclusions based on pre-existing conditions.

    Has anyone also noticed that no one has said a word about $10 aspirins? What about hospital bed costs in the hospital where the lobby is decorated with marble and expensive one-of-a-kind paintings as if some royalty lived there? No one has said a word about a $60 band aid?

    Nothing in these plans address those.

    During Katrina, I recall laws going into effect which prevented merchants from over charging customers.

    What about life emergencies and being overcharged then?

  29. Interesting story here – possibly one that would surprise even Rutherford in me admitting there is also a problem with the quality and administration of the care.

    Last Sunday night, I forgot that I was approaching 50, and while walking the dog, acted like I was 22 again. We like to play hide-and-go-seek, so I’ll hide behind a tree when he runs off and he comes flying back to find me. Just setting this up…so stay with me. I decided to get away from him when he ran out into the field, I would jump over a rose garden and hide behind it. Long story short, instead of finding pavement, I found the curb. Badly twisted ankle – possible fracture with bruising from my toes to my calf. I walked home about a half mile like a tough guy because I didn’t have my cell phone.

    Anyway, Monday I go to minor emergency. They tell me they “can’t tell” if it is a fracture as there is so much swelling, so I’ll need to get an MRI (the gold standard). Problem is, I was taught in Diagnostic Imaging, MRI is usually used for soft tissues and CT’s are the choice for bone. The P.A. didn’t even get the ankle bone nomenclature right – he was quoting the carpals. I didn’t say anything but gave a look of puzzlement.

    Waited three days for my phone call from the “bone specialist” before I finally had to call the minor emergency to ask them where is my appointment they said they were going to set up?

    Finally got a call this morning to see an orthopedist. Now this is not some fly-by-night hospital. It is ranked among the 50 best in the U.S. I’m wondering three things: (1) A minor emergency clinic that has the staff quoting the wrong part of the body to the patient?; (2) Why it takes three days when they are talking possible necrotizing of tissue because swelling so bad?; (3) why simple film didn’t suffice and an MRI required? In addition, I got to pay for a set of crutches I haven’t used, and a boot which was far more uncomfortable than my tennis shoes – and I haven’t used the boot either.

    Could it be that all these goodies are because I’ve got good insurance? Don’t know for sure, but it does make me a little suspicious. And it does make me wonder about the quality of care.

    This explains why I have had so much time to rib Rutherford this week. He will be glad when my ankle heals. 😉

  30. Your turn Israel. I apologize for our “president” being an anitsemetic islamist.

    I’m sure Israel greatly values your opinion, Elric. I think you’d make the best UN ambassador imaginable … right up there with John “I’ve Got Milk” Bolton. 🙂

  31. Hey Elric, you’re off your game dude. I could’ve sworn after that Public Option closed to the public video, you’d post your favorite line:

    Most transparent administration evah

    Dag, I now have to do your job for you? 😉

  32. Has anyone also noticed that no one has said a word about $10 aspirins?

    Ben you are right on the money here. The pharmas are getting a free ride on this reform as far as I’m concerned despite some supposed concessions they’ve made to protect them from further regulation.

    You neglected to mention my pet peeve … pharma advertising on TV. Think of the money the pharmas would save if they were banned from TV advertisement and limited to advertising in medical trade journals.

  33. I’ve deleted a couple of Islam-spam comments from Elric in this thread but I did want to say one thing by way of not entirely ignoring him.

    Elric, for all your concern, have you noticed how effectively our security forces (the FBI, local law enforcement) are handling these incidents? You post articles about Islamic radicals in Dearborn, Michigan and you take away from those articles, the dire threat posed by these people. You know what I take away from it? That you can’t pull that sh*t in America. We will find you, and if need be, we will kill you. That helps me sleep at night. I’m surprised it does not comfort you.

  34. Rutherford, that raid took place a block away from where I lived for about 3 years.

    There is a a radical vein in this country that is capable of the unspeakable.

    While I commend yesterday’s response, I’m telling you, the last thing you should take out of this is that America has it all covered and the threat of Islamic radicalism is not really worthy of debate and a constant analysis by the body politic.

    My buddy on the Detroit police force always says that the only time they catch bad guys is when they do something stupid.

    Vigilance.

    Go ahead and just blindly trust your omnipotent government for everything and you will end up looking like this guy:

  35. “I’m telling you, the last thing you should take out of this is that America has it all covered and the threat of Islamic radicalism is not really worthy of debate and a constant analysis by the body politic.”

    Nahhhh the latest on Sarah Palin is much more important than this great spike in islamist since Thuggy was elected. I thought he was suppose to end all this. Seems the message they got was that he is a sympathizer to their cause and he wont do squat to stop it.

  36. Tex, not to play “can you top this” but let me share a nice little story with you and my readers:

    A fellow with restrictive lung disease visits his pulmonary doctor cos he feels like hell. Let’s call the guy Rutherford for the sake of story telling. 😉

    Regular doctor is not in that day and sub gets spooked by patient’s irregular heart rhythm (actually kinda normal for him under the circumstances) but ok, no harm no foul, she sends him off in an ambulance to the nearby ER.

    After several hours, folks decide patient should be admitted over night, but guess what? There are no rooms at the inn. So patient is told he must spend the night in the ER. OK, a bit troubling but still so far so good.

    They’ve got another nuisance patient they want to keep an eye on so they say to Rutherford, is it ok if we move you to another station in the ER. Always the cooperative chap, R says “fine”. This other station is around the corner out of the way near the coffee cubby and medical staff only seem to come by to get refreshment. Hence, when R falls asleep and subsequently loses consciousness, staff assumes he’s just a sound sleeper. No checking on him for breathing rate, or pulse or anything. Too busy with other patients I guess and no time for their coffee break.

    R got one lucky break. His PCP happens to drop by early the following morning to see how he’s doing. PCP finds him unconscious and unresponsive. ENT doc is pulled out of surgery to rush down and give R an emergency tracheotomy. After two weeks in ICU and five weeks in rehab, “all is well”. On the bright side, the heroes in the story are the PCP who found me, wups .. Rutherford, and the ENT who saved R’s life (an ENT that R still visits to this day).

    That is just the second of two interesting interactions I’ve had with medical care. The other wasn’t a big deal … hospital just screwed around for months and let my mother die.

    Best way to stay alive folks … stay the hell out of the hospital if you can possibly help it!

  37. RE:Why do you armchair generals

    Would that include you, as well? Probably…. as long as you have an opinion on the topic.

    RE:assume that the military is monolithic and that every one of Obama’s military advisers is telling him the same thing?

    There you go again. Putting words into my mouth. Consequently, since I never said nor implied the above, I won’t comment on it.

    RE:Obama is weighing his options before sending more men and women (in many cases, not much older than boys and girls) to die. What about that is so hard for you to understand?

    On comment #208, I said this : “If it turns out that Obama is delaying McChrystal’s request for more American ground troops on the basis that he is waiting for the outcome of Pakistan’s operations to enable him to more accurately determine the requirement, then more power to him.”

    You really should slow down, read, think, then carefully form a sensible retort. There will be a lot less easy stuff to poke you in the ribs with if you did. I’m only here to help. 😉

    RE:if you’re so eager to go off to Afghanistan, when are your kids enlisting? You’re so eager for O to send in those 40,000 extra troops … when are your kids getting in line to join the 40K?

    If that is what my son wants to do – to serve his country – that is his decision. I will never stand in his way on that. Me? I’m too old to enlist, but I would like to help defend America’s future existence from those who are fighting every day to end that existence.

    And you? Why are you so willing to ignore this threat against America ? Why won’t you just get out of the way and let our military do its job of defending her? After all, your future as well as mine are tied directly to what is going on over there.

    You really, really need to read this.
    http://www.newsweek.com/id/57485
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1568535/Pakistan-the-worlds-most-dangerous-country.html

    “If the greatest threats to global security come from terrorism, nuclear weapons and the spread of failed states, Pakistan stands at the nexus of all three phenomena. The political fortunes of this vast country of 165 million people could scarcely be of greater importance.”

    “Throw in the fact that Pakistan possesses between 40 and 60 nuclear warheads and all this becomes even more worrying. America has helped install a sophisticated command-and-control structure to secure Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal.”

    Sleep well. I know you will.

  38. I went looking for Elric’s post about the terrorist raid in Dearborn. I couldn’t find it. While it’s R’s blog and he can do anything he wants and I certainly understand his censoring of numerous Islamic messages, the post of the raid should have stayed. When shootouts in broad day light are going down in middle America between terrorists and the Feds, I feel we should be able to talk about it all we want.

  39. I heard today that Obama wants to buy Taliban’s loyalty.

    Isn’t that just like the creative thinking we’ve come to expect from this community organizer? We’ll just buy our way out of the problem. Yethuree.

    We’ll be spending more money we don’t have and when China starts to lean on us, we’ll declare bankruptcy and hand the collateral of the United States over to her.

    Isn’t this hope and change thing just fricking awesome?

    On a similar note, New Yorkers are leaving their state in alarming numbers, all brought about by high taxes. duh.
    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/tax_refugees_staging_escape_from_qb4pItQ71UXIc0i6cd3UpK

    If I scale this up to a national level, I wonder what will happen when Nancy Pie-hole-sy’s Health Care bill – the one which requires dramatic tax increases – comes to be law.

    The majority of the Dems who are leading this nation to ruin are from California and apparently, they’ve been doing drugs too long.

    There’s a story I read about once about a great calamity which causes California to fall into the ocean. Hmmmm… I wonder where that is on the web…. I’m going to go get a sandwich and read. It’ll make me feel better.

  40. Son of jihadist Detroit imam caught in Canada; two other jihadists still at large

    “Abdullah beat children with sticks at his Detroit mosque, the complaint claimed, and was trained with his followers in the use of firearms, martial arts and swords.” Imagine the national media frenzy if that sentence were about a Catholic priest or an evangelical pastor. But this story will get media notice only because Abdullah was killed — and much of it will probably center on questions of whether the shooting constitutes “Islamophobia.”

    Detroit Jihad Update. “Son of Radical Islam Leader Killed in FBI Shootout Caught in Canada,” from FoxNews, October 29 (thanks to Mackie):

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/son-of-jihadist-detroit-imam-caught-in-canada-two-other-jihadists-still-at-large.html

    Yippe, two are still at large. I feel safe. I wonder if they are misunderstanding converts like the imam?

  41. “I went looking for Elric’s post about the terrorist raid in Dearborn. I couldn’t find it. While it’s R’s blog and he can do anything he wants and I certainly understand his censoring of numerous Islamic messages, the post of the raid should have stayed. When shootouts in broad day light are going down in middle America between terrorists and the Feds, I feel we should be able to talk about it all we want.”

    Didnt you get the message? Sarah Palin is more important than this spike in jihadist activity since Thuggy was elected. I huess reporting jihadist activity is “spam” and “islamophobia”

  42. Rutherford,

    You didn’t blitz Elric’s Dearborn stuff, did you? You don’t think that is newsworthy? Man, Rabbit is right on in his assessment. Sometime, you bleeding hearts are going to be in for a really rude awakening.

    ————————————————————

    Sorry about your hospital ordeal. I would have done better had I stayed – could I do worse?

    Your story definitely tops mine for incompetence unless I happen to die of gangrene, or something. For the sake of the blog, I’m glad you’re okay – even left you with a cool voice… 😉

  43. I also thought it was funny that the imam was preaching antigovernment rhetoric. Find to smear the tea partiers for it but not allowed to mention it when a certain group from a certain religion does even, even when they pose astronomically a much graver threat.

    Opps I said “imam”, is that allowed?

  44. this great spike in islamist since Thuggy was elected.

    I know you/ve thrown that statement around a lot Elric but can you back it up? You cannot tell me with Bush starting two wars in two countries (one rightly and one wrongly) that Muslim discontent in this country did not ramp up rapidly. This can no doubt be researched but I would submit that the rate of radical Islam related activity in this country has risen steadily since 9/11 and that there is no “spike” since January.

  45. Tex, DR,

    Another thing noticed is during this spike is that a lot of these misunderstanders are converts. Probably not relevant. At least as not as relevant as some earth shattering story about Sarah Palin anyway. Now thats news.

  46. I huess [sic] reporting jihadist activity is “spam” and “islamophobia”

    It is when you do it incessantly on a post that has no relation to jihadist activity whatsoever. I’ve told you before Elric, if you need to constantly comment on the Islam threat, start your own blog.

  47. Rutherford –

    RE:Bush starting two wars

    Given the history of the world (the same one you live in) that statement is both disingenuous and egregious.

    America did not go out into the night looking for a fight.

    Fix your thinking because right now, it’s broke.

  48. Ben,

    Also he didnt explain why misunderstanders, especially native born misunderstanders would feel discontent. But then I am never given an explanation when I ask that question.

    Besides, all the Taliban had to do was cough up Bin Laden who was behind 9-11.

  49. R-

    RE: a post that has no relation to …. whatsoever.

    Based upon the history of the comments and their contents about your posts, I think you should save yourself the trouble and just make your next post blank. 😉

    You’ll still need a pithy title, though. May I suggest, “How to Bring Lasting Peace to the Middle East” or perhaps “How I cured cancer with an Etch-Sketch and a Coleman Stove.”

    Just a thought.

  50. Video: The obligatory “Larry David pees on a painting of Jesus” clip
    posted at 6:00 pm on October 29, 2009 by Allahpundit
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    People have been buzzing about it and the indignant Catholic League statement has been duly issued, so I suppose this is worth a thread. For a variety of reasons, starting with my Internet nom de plume, I have no problem with blasphemy; what’s amazing, though, is that a tired goof on Christian iconography could still retain a comic charge for someone like Larry David. The South Park guys do religious humor well because their gags are inventive and they’re willing to take on all comers, not just Bible-believers. This clip, by contrast, makes you feel like you’re watching the umpteen-thousandth local news segment about some family that sees Jesus in the mold on their ceiling. In fact, David probably came up with the idea after he stumbled across a reference somewhere to “Piss Christ.” Which is now, um, more than 20 years old.

    The other odd thing about goofs like this is that they’re not, shall we say, topical. Any comic who takes a poke at JC these days will be asked this question, and very few of them will have a good answer to it.

    Actually they never have a good answer because these “artists” are cowards to the core.

    Im not allowed to mention the question but if you click on the hotair link for this, have at it.

  51. I’m not censor proponent, but I do kind of agree with R on this. Elric, love the links, but keep it pithy because you just mitigate the valuable ones with volume.

    Here’s an idea, R, poll what topics folks want to talk too, then create a post for each and then folks can comment topically to an issue, instead of the shotgun, anything goes that we normally see.

    R, I took your advice, and now have my own blog. You, and all, are more than welcome to visit. 😉

  52. It was a damn black separatist Muslim group, give me a fucking break.

    Abdullah and 10 other people were charged with conspiring to commit federal crimes, including theft from interstate shipments, mail fraud, illegal possession and sale of firearms, and tampering with motor vehicle identification numbers.

    http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-43513120091029

    I agree with R, the take away is that the Feds got them. People who aren’t Muslim do this shit all the time, I don’t see you being shit scared then. According to southern poverty we both stay within reach of the KKK and black separatist organizations and other racist groups. They could all do something like this but you get scared just because they’re Muslim 🙄

  53. also from the article, “None was charged with terrorism or terrorism-related crimes.”, I’m happy they were caught but I sure as hell am not going to get scared.

  54. Here’s an idea, R, poll what topics folks want to talk too, then create a post for each and then folks can comment topically to an issue, instead of the shotgun, anything goes that we normally see.

    stupid idea, don’t do it R. I beg of you

    R, I took your advice, and now have my own blog. You, and all, are more than welcome to visit.

    you mean the blog where you don’t link to your “sources” and nearly end a post with something like “Obama truly is a dick” (very poetic of you). Btw, this post http://an800lbgorilla.wordpress.com/2009/10/24/the-constitutional-ignorance-of-obama/ you’re an idiot, that’s why you get for listening to your lord Limbaugh

  55. Hmmmm some group that rhymes with Bear is defending the leader that was gunned down.

    You’re on my shit list. I just wrote that I was happy they were caught idiot.

  56. Obama’s Socialist Halloween

    10/24/2008, 6:34 pm

    Barack Obama has advised kids this Halloween that went to too many houses and have too much candy to redistribute it to those with less. “When you spread the candy around, it’s good for everybody.” he confirmed.

    “After all of the treats have been collected at the end of the night, children will be required to bring their candy to central collection locations in their communities. There, government contractors — most likely ACORN workers who need work between elections — will collect the candy from the children and record their information. Then they will count all of the candy up and divide it equally amongst all of the children in the area. The treats will then be redistributed to everybody, including those who stayed home that night”

    Your children will think it’s unfair that they did all the work but don’t get to reap the full rewards of their efforts. After you finish wiping their tears, you can use the occasion as a teachable moment and tell your children what they just experienced is an example of how socialism works. Then they’ll understand.

    http://thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?t=2479

    Something tells me it wont include his kids.

  57. Change: NRCC head says Hoffman would be welcome in GOP House caucus; Update: Debate video added
    posted at 7:05 pm on October 29, 2009 by Allahpundit
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    This isn’t really a change — they never threatened to exclude him, after all — but when you’ve got the guy who’s been bankrolling Scozzafava now uttering warm, inclusive words about Hoffman, it’s safe to say the GOP has about given up on its nominee.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/29/change-nrcc-head-says-hoffman-would-be-welcome-in-gop-house-caucus/

    Sorry Alfie 🙂

  58. Video: The obligatory “Larry David pees on a painting of Jesus” clip

    Wow, one minute I’m deleting Elric’s posts and the next minute I’m helping him post the damn things correctly.

    Elric, you supplied the offensive “Curb” video from Larry David but never gave us the source material from Allahpundit.

    Here it is:
    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/29/video-the-obligatory-larry-david-pees-on-a-painting-of-jesus-clip/

    Now you can actually find out what the question is that dare not be asked.

  59. Breaking: Iran rejects west’s nuclear deal
    posted at 8:05 pm on October 29, 2009 by Allahpundit
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    Robert Kagan wondered this morning if The One will ever be prepared to play hardball with Iran or if the “plan” is, in fact, eternal negotiation while they perfect their bombmaking technique.

    We’ll know soon.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/29/breaking-iran-rejects-wests-nuclear-deal/

    7 weeks til Israel’s deadline. Of course we know meaningful sanctions wont be in place by Christmas or ever. Thanks for nothing Thuggy

  60. Returning for a moment to that Larry David peeing on Jesus article from Hot Air … it is interesting to note that the editor (or perhaps Elric’s hero Ed Morrissey … it just said “Ed”) felt the whole Larry David thing was much ado about nothing as the comedian was making fun of off kilter Christians and not making fun of Christianity itself. He also noted (take note Elric) that David had, in a prior episode, made fun of the Muslim burka. (Granted not the same as defacing Mohammed but at least LD wasn’t completely afraid of poking fun at Muslim culture.)

  61. RE:Now for the most important news of the day….

    Golly Elric. Thank you for that information. You have no idea of just how important and timely it proved to be for me.

    I have not been able to walk since I was 4, the victim of an ironing board accident, but now, after reading the in-depth article about Angela and Rosie, something incredible happened; I fell out of my chair onto the floor, and when I did, I landed on my portable defibrillator. Being that I was wearing only boxers at the time, I am embarrassed to say the left portion of my right-wing teabag touched it as It discharged, sending the appropriate 1000 volts through everything I own without a bank document tied to it. Needless to say, I began to break-dance and now I can actually play America’s Army On-line without a pencil in my mouth.

    I owe this “miracle of the digital age” to you Elric.

    Keep up the good work. We need more bloggers like you. … so long as R approves, that is.

  62. RE:There is a greater chance of me voting for Thuggy in 2012 than Rosie and Angelina getting it on.

    Yea, but I’d actually pay to see one of them.

  63. Ben,

    That would be great. Then I could mention about a certain woman belonging to the religion which must not be named that tried to slice her husbands throat for not being devoted enough to the religion which must not be named in Staten Island.

  64. I’m going to go military here…. I’m going to run an experiment… I’m actually going to name the religion which must not be named or TRWMNBN…. here goes.

  65. Oh gad, I see that Nappy has made another appearance. I could smell that thing’s stench the minute I entered the room. 😮

    “R”, I took the liberty of taking a look at the deconstruction of Keith Olbermann – funny, but not necessary as I know him to be irrelevant and frankly wish people would simply ignore him and boycott anything to do with NBC on account of him. He’ll self destruct soon enough, and only libs will notice.

    However, thank you for the heads up. 😉

  66. Elric,

    I know. I keep my 100 shares of the sorriest stock on the market just so I can vote against the Execs every time…

  67. Gore Vidal Admits He Wanted to Murder Bush– Joy Behar Agrees (Video)
    Thursday, October 29, 2009, 7:21 PM
    Jim Hoft

    State-Run Media Now Openly Jokes About Murdering Conservatives–
    It is now acceptable for the state-run media to joke about killing conservative leaders, including Former President Bush.
    It’s funny.

    Gore Vidal is upset that he didn’t murder President Bush.

    “That’s one murder I regret not committing.”

    Joy Behar agrees, “It’s too late anyway.”

    Must be nice being a lib and not held to the same standards they hold everyone else to.

  68. It will be a glorious day when Gore Vidal dies off. From the looks of it, not too long either to celebrate.

    I saw where fat Joy is so successful in her debut on cable, that she sits in last place. 😆

  69. Tex,

    Amazing isnt it? If Rush said these things, heads would explode

    As for that fat crone. So far all I have seen about her show is whining about Beck and Bush. .

  70. We need more bloggers like you. … so long as R approves, that is.

    LOL …. Ben, just a minor semantic issue here, A “blogger” is someone who owns a blog (and presumably writes the articles therein). Hence, Elric — not a blogger.

    But it’s the thought that counts. I’m sure Elric is appropriately flattered. 🙂

  71. a certain woman belonging to the religion which must not be named that tried to slice her husbands throat

    Hey!!!! Let’s hear it for Islam! Feminism comes to Islam. I’ll be damned. And all this time I thought there was only male-on-female abuse! 😉

  72. Just boycott GE. They own PMSNBC

    Elric couldn’t that prove problematic? GE makes light bulbs. Without light bulbs how will you be able to see the keyboard in that windowless basement in which you spend all your time? 😉

  73. R-

    You must delete post 116 for it has referenced TRWMNBN .

    To leave it would be hypocritical.

    I’m only trying to save you from the inevitable wrath heading your way like a crazed, slobber slinging out of control Olbermann rant. I beg of you, save yourself.

  74. Obviously elric isn’t a blogger or he’d know how to promote his blog by fixing the link to site.

    This covo is ridiculous, the point of deleting it is, to delete the spam and move on, only discussing it is what Elric and his whore wants us to do. Though the detroit story was interesting. IMO, R shud have put a stop to this a while ago, unfortunately he seems to have a softer spot for Elric. And the suggestion of creating an islam thread to please Elric is ridiculous, do that shit at your blog and see how much you like it.

  75. The other day I saw a dog pinch a loaf which had an IQ larger than Maxine’s. She is an absolute idiot and if the term representative is to be believed it says very little for the state of California and of those who voted for this excuse for sound intellect.

  76. Looks like that group that rhymes with Share is also on board telling the authorities to keep the gunned down “religious” leader to keep TRWMNBN out of the picture.

  77. She is an absolute idiot and if the term representative is to be believed it says very little for the state of California and of those who voted for this excuse for sound intellect.

    Funny, that’s exactly how I feel about Michele Bachman and her constituents. 🙂

  78. U.K.’s Big Brother even has sights on regular mothers

    By LISA VAN DUSEN, WASHINGTON BUREAU

    Last Updated: 26th October 2009, 3:30am

    Anyone who has marvelled at London’s ubiquitous CCTV cameras or watched MI-5 reruns knows about Britain’s surveillance policies.

    But the strange case of 40-year-old mother of three Jenny Paton takes the nanny state thing to a whole other level. Paton, suspected by her local school authorities of fudging her address to get her daughter into a better school, was tailed not by Scotland Yard or MI-5, but by those same local school officials, or agents acting on their behalf.

    http://www.winnipegsun.com/comment/columnists/lisa_vandusen/2009/10/26/11525296-sun.html

    Big government is just awesome!!!

  79. Gun man attacks North Hollywood synagogue. No word yet if he was a member of TRWMNBN

    What does it really matter? Is the crime any more or less heinous because it was committed by a Muslim?

  80. And the suggestion of creating an islam thread to please Elric is ridiculous, do that shit at your blog and see how much you like it. — Sensico

    I tend to agree with you. Besides, every couple of months or so, I write about religion anyway, so a patient Elric will get his chance to drop links like crazy when the time comes. In fact, I’m noodling around in my head about a new religious post … one that will really piss off Elric and his band of Islamo-paranoids. 😉

  81. “Ms. Sarwar also told investigators that Naseem pressured her into doing things that were against her religious beliefs.

    “He made her do stuff that she didn’t like to do — eating pork, drinking alcohol, wearing short clothes. She did all of that to make him happy,” the source said.

    At about 3 a.m. yesterday, inside the couple’s 80 St. Mark’s Place apartment, Ms. Sarwar “snapped,” the source said, cutting his neck, right cheek and right hand.

    In an interview with the Post, Naseem said his wife was having a hard time adjusting to American culture….”

    Thats an understatement. LOL

  82. Congressional Black Caucus, Asian Caucus and the Hispanic Caucus Come to the defense of the group that rhymes with Share.

    Nice. The leftist alliance with you know who continues

  83. Regarding the Glenn Beck video on the founding fathers vs the current band of “revolutionaries”, I’ve got some bad news for you and Glenn. Van Jones was right. We DID steal this land from the Native Americans. It is plain and simple history. Since it was a good 250 years ago, not much to be done about it now other than be honest that it happened and make sure that those with native American heritage get the same shot at a good life in this country as everyone else.

    If you confine this country’s origins to white males, it was a purely ideal and wonderful phenomenon. Once you throw in Native Americans and Africans, the whole thing loses a bit of its luster. I’m not saying that we don’t owe the founding fathers a busload of gratitude for founding this country on rock solid ideals, but let’s not revise history.

  84. Obama’s Socialist Halloween

    Elric, you hoping Rush Limbaugh will pick up this garbage and pontificate about it on his show? It’s been clearly established it doesn’t take much to fool ole Limbaugh. 🙂

  85. Michelle Obama Has a Staff of 26 Servants …

    Until you post similar figures on Laura Bush, Hillary Clinton, Barbara Bush and Nancy Reagan and prove that Michelle is inconsistent with those precedents, shut the hell up.

  86. House ObamaCare bill: Here comes the taxes!
    posted at 12:15 pm on October 30, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

    Americans for Tax Reform has culled the 1990-page Pelosi health-care overhaul bill to find the taxes that will supposedly collect over $540 billion in revenue over 10 years. It’s quite an impressive list of new burdens on Americans and their health-care providers and producers — but that’s redundant. After all, who do you think will end up paying for the medical-device taxes? It won’t be insurers or doctors:

    * Employer Mandate Excise Tax (Page 275): If an employer does not pay 72.5 percent of a single employee’s health premium (65 percent of a family employee), the employer must pay an excise tax equal to 8 percent of average wages. Small employers (measured by payroll size) have smaller payroll tax rates of 0 percent (<$500,000), 2 percent ($500,000-$585,000), 4 percent ($585,000-$670,000), and 6 percent ($670,000-$750,000).
    * Individual Mandate Surtax (Page 296): If an individual fails to obtain qualifying coverage, he must pay an income surtax equal to the lesser of 2.5 percent of modified adjusted gross income (MAGI) or the average premium. MAGI adds back in the foreign earned income exclusion and municipal bond interest.
    * Medicine Cabinet Tax (Page 324)
    * Cap on FSAs (Page 325)
    * Increased Additional Tax on Non-Qualified HSA Distributions (Page 326)
    * Denial of Tax Deduction for Employer Health Plans Coordinating with Medicare Part D (Page 327)
    * Surtax on Individuals and Small Businesses (Page 336)
    * Excise Tax on Medical Devices (Page 339)
    * Corporate 1099-MISC Information Reporting (Page 344)
    * Delay in Worldwide Allocation of Interest (Page 345)
    * Limitation on Tax Treaty Benefits for Certain Payments (Page 346)
    * Codification of the “Economic Substance Doctrine” (Page 349)
    * Application of “More Likely Than Not” Rule (Page 357)

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/30/house-obamacare-bill-here-comes-the-taxes/

  87. “This victory alone is not the change we seek. It is only the chance for us to make that change. And that cannot happen if we go back to the way things were.It can’t happen without you, without a new spirit of service, a new spirit of sacrifice.”

    Well except for you and your miserable POS wife anyway Thuggy.

  88. Afghan Taliban’s Political Leader Laughs Off Obama’s Attempt to Bribe His Fighters to Switch Sides, Calls It a Sign of Weakness….

    Yet more evidence that Afghanistan is not a carbon copy of Iraq and that simply duplicating our methods in Iraq will not work in Afghanistan.

  89. Afghan Taliban’s Political Leader Laughs Off Obama’s Attempt to Bribe His Fighters to Switch Sides, Calls It a Sign of Weakness….

    What a creative thinker that Obama is. He is digging deep and is thinking this is just another problem to be solved with bribes. He just can’t shake his Chicago-style politics, can he?

    One thing is certain. America is now being viewed as weak. Nine months. That’s all it took.

    Thanks, Obama, thanks so much for restoring our prestige abroad.

  90. Rutherford,

    You need to read this. He is talking about you. It is a shame that you waste what possibly could be a brilliant mind and do nothing but participate in partisan politics with it…

    I am willing to admit most Republicans not worth a crap – in fact, I am more than open to replacement. The only talent most of them have is they are not a Democrat. I’ll go even further in stating that though I like Sarah Palin and certainly don’t think her dumb like you, her ham handed publicity tour has told me that she is not for me as anybody in a position to have much authority, and she lacks sound judgment as a polished leader.

    However, you need to also admit that Obama is not much of a President either, that his methods underhanded, that he is a weak leader, that his cabinet awful, and that Obama won’t be able to manage the job that was handed to him, no matter how difficult or bad the environment when he took office. He has been a complete disaster, has weakened us considerably, and has had more than enough time to show his cards leading us out of the dumps.

    Read it and reflect when given the chance.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/10/30/dismantling_america_part_ii__98936.html

  91. Zelaya returned to power
    posted at 8:48 am on October 30, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

    Now we know why John Kerry demanded that the Law Library of Congress withdraw its report declaring the removal of Manuel Zelaya from the Honduran presidency legal, weeks after the issuance of the report. Honduras, under new pressure from the US, has agreed to allow Zelaya to return as president to the Central American nation under an agreement announced this morning. However, there is one piece of good news, assuming Zelaya keeps his word:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/30/zelaya-returned-to-power/

    Ever notice Thuggy only helps out thugs and marxists?

  92. After going through the thread I decided to say somethings.

    #1. Rutherford is right to try to maintain some thread control. The flip side of it though is that all people here especially R need to realize the hit count here has nothing to do with post content.
    #2. NY 23 comment #88 I think it was. I will be shocked if the D doesn’t win there. Bottomline do the district math. Overall support is NOT for the conservative.
    #3. Zelaya has not returned to power. His fate is now before the Honduran Congress who will make a decision via a vote. Right now he doesn’t have the votes. I will say this though it is disgusting how the USA is trying to spin this.
    #4. comment on Michelle Obama staff. Seems consistent with previous First Ladies. It is and has always been a line item that should be scrutinized regardless of party.
    #5. Yeah yeah yeah Columbus pox on humanity,whitey bad yadda yadda. Cut it out will ya. It was war essentially and to the victors go the spoils.
    #6. Afghanistan isn’t Iraq,Taliban not the same as mujahadeen and tribes. This is bad,lazy journalism.

  93. “I will be shocked if the D doesn’t win there. Bottomline do the district math. Overall support is NOT for the conservative.”

    Actually it is. The RINO is stuck way back in 3rd. Now if she dropped out, be interesting where her votes would go.

    “Seems consistent with previous First Ladies. It is and has always been a line item that should be scrutinized regardless of party.”

    Not really. Thuggy told us to sacrifice. Does that include him and his family or just for the peasants? Plus the fact is its actually quite a bit more than Laura Bush. We were told to sacrifice in this economic downturn. Why cant they? Got an answer Alfie?

    “I will say this though it is disgusting how the USA is trying to spin this.”

    Beyond shameful. I agree 110 percent with you on that.

  94. That Sowell piece is just too funny in its oversimplified posturing. My biggest beef with it is that the thinking behind it puts America on top of some pedestal. We are not on the top and we seem to be the only ones that don’t get that.
    We can be the leading nation regardless of the Oval occupant if we acknowledge that.
    South Korea is indeed mindful of the North,in fact the region is quite aware of the issue. Venezuela has more opponents in Latin America than way too many Yanks believe. Case in point is Herr Hugos baby ALBA. 9 piss ant nations.Colombia and Brazil not members and not best buds of the Hugonator.

  95. Oh yeah on a post related note. Rutherford you are showing a very dim glimmer of hope in my book. You hint at the realization that the current HCR thing has nothing to do with reform. Good for you!

  96. Bloomberg shoots down more lies about the economic recovery and the spin of the Obama staff. I swear, this getting almost routine. And you’ll note Bloomberg is hardly a conservative, no news network organization.

    I don’t know what is more insulting. Having a socialist and lame radical for a President and cabinet, or the fact they try to hoodwink their agenda by spinning really bad news in a positive light.

    Either way, it is an insult to my intelligence…

  97. That Sowell piece is just too funny in its oversimplified posturing. My biggest beef with it is that the thinking behind it puts America on top of some pedestal. We are not on the top and we seem to be the only ones that don’t get that.

    Alfie,

    Since I realize you think you are the only one here “who gets it, perhaps you can elaborate exactly who do you believe is on top and besides you “who gets it”?

    I sure don’t find you “getting it” about the failed moderate Republican politics you so hail. There couldn’t be a clearer signal that your wrong…from failures to election results.

  98. Tex,

    I think part of Alfie’s problem is he hails from Mass. He also doesnt understand our ire because these people elected from other states affect us. If we had term limits it wouldnt be so bad but because these morons keep electing Marxists and RINO’s has damaged this nation, not just their districts.

  99. Actually the First Lady staffing is equal to Lauras and comes with the territory. It is the crime that is bureaucracy. As for the White House undertaking some austerity measures I for one don’t need empty symbolism or mindless rage. (ala “…his kids got their flu shots!”)
    You just keep missing the point. THE DISTRICT is leaning centrist . I won’t keep banging my head up against the wall here. It is better to have some light red than blue,thats just a fact.

  100. Term limits are called elections. You get what you vote for folks so stop complaining.
    Tex I just think America doesn’t get the fact that we’re not the top. Right now I personally don’t think anyone is on top,I’m equally sure the world has no intention of ever viewing America on top. As I said that doesn’t mean we can’t be the leadership nation.
    Seriously where and how are we on top ? The dollar ? Education ? Morality ?

  101. Alfie,

    You keep missing the point. They TOLD US to sacrifice in this economical downturn. If they wanted to tone down the help, they could. Just like they could tone down date night on the tax payer dime.

    “You just keep missing the point. THE DISTRICT is leaning centrist.”

    Really? Hoffman is neck and neck with the Dem. If she is light red, which she doesnt appear to be, who will her voters jump to if she looks like she has no chance? If they jump to Hoffman, then he was clearly the better candidate. If they jump to the Dem, she clearly wasnt “light red”.

    How did that “light red” Arlen Specter work out for you Alfie?

  102. Tex I also fail to see where I made some great case for moderate republican policies. Seriously throw me a bone here what is it you think I advocate for the GOP?

  103. “Term limits are called elections. You get what you vote for folks so stop complaining.”

    Really? I didnt vote for Pelosi and Franks. If we are talking about state elections, I could care less.

  104. Seeing as she waas once courted by the Dems to be their candidate I guess her votes would split advantage Owens. Elections are about the tomorrows as well as the todays. I’m just saying that if NY23 clearly has issues regards GOP retention.
    As for Arlen you know I don’t like him or his policies. I would not have voted for him but then again I’m not from PA. I suspect the voters of the Keystone State will put it right soon enough.

  105. I know Alfie is far more moderate than I am, and Mass Republicans have about as much in common with me as Obama has, but Alfie should note that virtually all of the Northeast is in decay, even with all of their built in historical advantages and political clout. Where I live, all is still pretty much fine though there is no doubt that the economy is strained – and we ain’t light red.

    Most of the northeast is soon to go the way of Detroit. My only concern is how to keep these “centrists” away from me. I find them about as useless at getting things done as Obama. Either way, we get more government, more incompetence, more hand wringing, and more spending.

    Looks like Conservatives must first teach the Rockefeller Republicans a lesson before we get a chance to teach to the Rutherford radicals that their time is up. And for a time, Rutherford and the band of loons may be the benefactor. If that’s a problem and they want to keep pushing, all I got to say is, “Annie, get your gun”. The centrists can sit this one out like good moderates straddling the fence as they are famous for nothingness, but in the end they won’t be welcome when the victory is won.

  106. I know Alfie is far more moderate than I am

    You don’t know that for sure though do you ?
    The northeast is far from the decline of Detroit and its not regional bias that makes me say that.
    I would like to see the Bay State become the incubator for the elimination of parties. We have more “independents” or “unenrolled” as the Commonwealth calls them than anything else but still suffer from knee jerk blind democrat allegiance. We spurn this on a rather regular basis with sitting an R in the corner office though. Now these R’s would never get elected in say SC but in these parts they are a good deal.
    Tex I sincerely invite you not to shun centrists but to work with them and by that I mean try to appeal to their pragmatic side. There will be issues you will fail to succeed on with them but on many very important issues they’ll prove quite beneficial to the causes you hold dear.
    On a side can I assume your geography matches your “e name” Tex ? If so you can be proud. Texas is seen in many corners as THE up and coming state across the board and the candidate to topple Cali for status and that isn’t dependent on Calis recent nose dive.

  107. Newly disclosed emails link White House directly to NEA politicalization scandal

    …”Here are four of the most illustrative emails, according to Judicial Watch:

    · August 10, 2009, 10:23 am. Email from Yosi Sergant to Kalpen Modi: “[The call is] organized by me…I’d ask you to come on and give the exact spiel you gave on Saturday. Walk them through the WH Arts Policy. They won’t know it. Then I will take them into United We Serve and the NEA.”

    · August 10, 2009, 10:29 am. Email from Kalpen Modi to Yosi Sergant: “Oy. This would be awesome to be a part of. Let me know if you think it’s going long, or maybe I can get someone from here to do it if I can’t because of the Social Security mtg.”

    · August 10, 2009, 11:04 am. Email from Kalpen Modi to Yosi Sergant: “Let me see if we can move Social Sec by a few mins. Agreed, it would be great to be on the call and helpful for us also.”

    · August 10, 2009, 1:37 pm. Email from Yosi Sergant to Buffy Wicks, Deputy Director of the White House Office of Public Engagement: “We have an important call at 2pm for UWS (United We Serve) and the Arts with my peeps. Indie producers around the country. Kal can’t join the call. Any chance you can hop on for 5 minutes and intro with Nellie and I?”

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Newly-disclosed-emails-link-White-House-directly-to-NEA-politicalization-scandal-67617717.html

    OK R, what say you to this? Come on, obviously there is- at the very least- the image of quid pro quo. You support the Administration’s message, and you’ll be rewarded with taxpayer money…

  108. The northeast is far from the decline of Detroit and its not regional bias that makes me say that.

    You may not see it, but I do. In my travels over the last 20 years, I have watched your infrastructure deteriorate, your people becoming even more unfriendly (you were unfriendly 20 years – almost unbearable now), your arrogance grow, your folk become even more irreligious. You got major problems and don’t even know it. Keep telling yourself you don’t. Your big cities are a disaster even with the political clout.

    Detroit once thought itself bullet proof. So did California. Not anymore.

    P.S. – Texas surpassed California in clout several years ago. That the rest of the nation is just now waking up to that fact humors me. 😉

  109. “Tex I sincerely invite you not to shun centrists but to work with them and by that I mean try to appeal to their pragmatic side”

    Like with Spector? We tried that losing strategy.

  110. Well Tex we’ll just have to agree to disagree. Ma public schools test highest in the nation and seeing as I know they are so far from perfect that tells me the rest of the nation is in deep shit.
    Our economy is better than most also although we’ve sadly bought into the service sector domination.As for our “major problems” ours are no different than those in other parts of the country. In fact the rest of the country has problems we don’t but I’m in no mood for a tit for tat pissing match that results in nothing.
    I hope Texas enjoys their moment in the sun. In the relative spectrum of time it will be short lived as immigration especially will kill them.
    Elric I never ever called Specter a centrist and was primarily addressing the voters not the pols in my suggestion to Tex. As an example in any given election cycle the “soccer moms” are open to either side.

  111. I hope Texas enjoys their moment in the sun. In the relative spectrum of time it will be short lived as immigration especially will kill them.

    Oh, I’m pretty sure we can help ourselves without someone of the Kennedy & Kerry Clan telling us how to do it. For such a smart state, I sure do see a lot of Massachusetts maggots attempting to move here, but damned if I know a one of us who is a hurry move to Massachusetts.

    Keep your flavor of Massachusetts liberal Republicans there with you, where you can spend the rest of your days in one of the most unfriendly, filthiest, most overrated states in the nation as one of the minority party. 😉

  112. No Alfie,

    I have lost nothing. Your comment about public education is an indicator that you are not as knowledgeable as you would like to think. Public education is but one form of children’s education – and where I am from, private schools and home schooling rules and public schools suck, so your comparison of “IQ” is meaningless.

    I have agreed with you in the past on many things, but your take on what wins politics is not only wrong, but has been proven wrong many times and as recently as last November. You don’t like the results, I suggest you “brilliant” Massachusetts Republicans change your tune and get on board, or you will quickly find yourselves completely insignificant and isolated.

    Your comment made it personal. I stand by the content and my request of Rutherford. He needs to read it – the fact you don’t get it is irrelevant.

  113. Regarding Tex and Alfie’s love affair with Texas … please let’s not judge a state by its Governor. Any state that toys with secession is a loony state by my estimation. Sorry to rain on the parade.

  114. FWIW I’m not trying to have a state v state thing. I’m not too proud of my state and I totally failed to enjoy my time in Texas but that has nothing to do with what I was trying to say.
    As for Tex taking my criticisms of Sowell being an intentional insult to him oh well. It wasn’t.
    I’ll accept I wasn’t clear for the sake of argument even though I don’t honestly believe that to be true.

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