Sarah Palin Just Wants to Help

Sarah Palin with her nutjob death panels, disloyal China chatter and reality show family has become so radioactive that two Republican candidates in hotly contested gubernatorial races have taken a pass on letting her stump for them.

Looks like the only place poor Sarah can find friends is on Facebook.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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  1. DC Security Scare Becomes Federal Case
    Documents: Man threatened to blow up NW DC Metro

    WASHINGTON, D.C. – A man who was arrested in a security scare in Northwest D.C. on Tuesday night threatened to blow up the Friendship Heights Metro station, according to a criminal complaint in the case.

    It was a chaotic scene Tuesday night in Friendship Heights when three blocks of Wisconsin Avenue Northwest were cleared of cars and pedestrians. Adjacent buildings and restaurants were evacuated, including both Mazza Gallerie and Chevy Chase Pavilion

    http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/local/100809_friendship_heights_security_scare_becomes_federal_case

    Meanwhile

  2. Somalia: Al-Shabaab Sharia Court Carries out Public Amputations of Hands and Feet on 3 Men….

    MOGADISHU, Somalia — Six masked men used machetes to carry out amputations on three men accused of robbery by a Somali Islamist court, a witness said Saturday.

    Abdulahi Hassan Afrah said the two of the men had both a hand and a foot cut off and a third had only a foot cut off after the Islamic court in the southern port city of Kismayo realized he was already disabled. He said a crowd of around 400 people, mainly women and children, watched the sentence carried out Friday on the three screaming young men.

    “It was most painful thing I have ever seen,” he said.

    A spokesmen for the al-Shabab militia, Sheik Hassan Yaqub Ali, said the three had admitted robbing passengers on board a truck heading to Kismayo.

    None of the three were allowed to appeal the sentence or had access to a lawyer.

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/10/somalia-alshabaab-sharia-court-carries-out-public-amputations-of-hands-and-feet-on-3-men.html

    Thuggy’s muslim adviser said Sharia law is misunderstood.

  3. I think I have the Rutherford hangup about Sarah Palin and to a lesser degree Michelle Bachmann figured out. I never could quite get a handle on what was so threatening about these two beauties that Rutherford couldn’t let go, even though I teased him about ogling them. They represent a real threat to Rutherford politics.

    It’s the same reason that Rutherford and the band of black thugs you see on TV are so brutal on say Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, and other black Conservatives.

    If most blacks pull their head out of the sand one day and figure out these pretentious lib honkies haven’t done a damn thing for black folk but create more misery and dependency, and they decide not to perform the 4 year bloc vote, then the Democratic party would be in serious trouble.

    But what is worse for Rutherford is that women as a general rule tend to vote more “Democrat” than men. “R” has picked up on you’ve got two white women that resonate with a whole bunch of women who aren’t hard core rubes for the Democratic party. If the two above mentioned in turn start resonating with the fence straddlers, all the while radiating conservative principles while still showing you can be a loving mother and that there is nothing wrong or inferior with being feminine, the deadlock back in forth every four years would become a moot point even if blacks vote 95% Dim.

    Every weapon must be used to attempt humiliation, every opportunity to marginalize and mock, every Keith Overbite soundtrack played over and over to discount these two.

    Rutherford may be a rube and a political hack. But at least in the game of politics, he’s thinking ahead. 😉

  4. Muslim advocates charge NYPD is racial profiling in Queens raids tied to alleged Zazi terror plot

    Recent terror raids in Queens have led to a spike in fear and racial profiling, Muslim advocates charge.

    About 40 people rallied outside the Flushing Public Library yesterday to draw attention to what they called an uptick in targeted policing.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/10/10/2009-10-10_muslim_advocates_charge_nypd_is_racial_profiling_in_queens_raids_tied_to_alleged.html

    Never accepting responsibility just playing the victim card.

    PS islam isnt a friggin race just a violent/oppressive ideology.

  5. This woman should have won the Nobel Peace Prize.

    Also a very telling video on islam in all its “glory”

    I challenge the drones to watch it and tell me islam is no threat to freedom.

  6. “R” has picked up on you’ve got two white women that resonate with a whole bunch of women who aren’t hard core rubes for the Democratic party.

    Yeah they resonate with a bunch of women alright. A bunch of mindless women with no self-respect. I’ve been married to my wife nine years and she is what I would call a “reserved feminist”. In other words, when you meet her, you see a plain-spoken woman raised in Illinois who’s real easy-going. Not your hairy armpit shrew type that Tex likes to make fun of. But don’t talk about gender-based salary inequality because suddenly she transforms into Gloria Steinem, But I digress. In nine years of marriage I never saw my wife so upset as the night John McCain put Sarah Palin on the national stage.

    It wasn’t her politics, seriously. It was the minute she opened her mouth, my wife saw a former beauty queen with typical beauty queen shallowness. And my wife knew very little about her. She got a vibe just from five minutes of Sarah, that kept her up almost all night reading everything she could on the Internet.

    You know why her blood really boiled? Because this was John McCain using a woman in the most cynical way possible to save a sinking campaign. And did the facts support my wife’s instinct? Damn straight. What was the first thing that happened after the November election? McCain’s staff started dissing the woman. Use her, and then throw her away.

    Women who care about being taken seriously were all hurt and embarrassed by Palin. The Katie Couric interview was the tip of the iceberg. So I’ve got a real serious influence in my own home for my aversion to Palin. I want my daughter, if she wants to be in politics when she grows up, to emulate Kay Bailey Hutchison for example, if she wants to go the conservative route. Or maybe Olympia Snowe. Serious women who don’t give a beauty pageant wrist twist of a wave when they come on the stage. Women who have studied and earned their right to be heard. Women who could withstand a softball interview by Katie Couric.

    So don’t tell me about the women who support Palin. But I will tell you something … Palin is a top notch candidate compared to Michelle Bachmann. From the census getting us all interred in FEMA camps, to unAmerican congressmen needing to be investigated, this woman is one first class wack job. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again … the only one more suspect than Bachmann are the brain dead people who returned her to the House having sampled the goods. I’ve even toyed with starting a running post to track her faux-pas but I decided they were well enough documented elsewhere so why waste my time.

    Tex, I’ll go out on a limb and guess that your wife finds Sarah Palin laughable and can name a half dozen conservative women more worthy of our time and attention. If I recall correctly, your wife is a professional woman who has worked damn hard to get where she is. I’d be very surprised if she doesn’t find Sarah Palin’s undeserved ascent incredibly insulting.

    And Elric, puhleeze. In your strange parallel universe, Sarah Palin is a private citizen and Barack Obama is not black. You need to go on medication if you’re not on it already.

    Damn … I ended up writing a serious comment when I was just having some fun with my post …. I needed a little levity after a week of pedophilia, war and mistakenly given Peace prizes! 😦

  7. Rutherford,

    Are you trying to tell me that your own wife isn’t a hard core, misandrist/feminist from the word go? Come on man! You don’t thought she sought you out because you were manly, do you? 😆

    Let me tell you about my own wife. She graduated summa cum laude from college in 1976 (Accounting) and started as a secretary. Yeah, no kidding. That’s the way it was, but not now. She’s done very well for herself without having to play Ms. Priss or Ms. Floosie, never got bent because she had to do it the hard way, everybody I know likes her, and I got lucky enough to marry her. She was offered once the token female bigshot job and turned them down cold so she could still be a Mom without travel. She still makes good enough money to pay for her worthless husband and two college educations. She actually likes men and has said on occasion, more women ought to think like men. Your wife would despise my wife and my wife wouldn’t give a thought to it.

    As far as Sarah Palin, my wife never gives much time to “worrying” about Sarah, and in fact liked her speech at the Republican National Convention. Said Sarah had “spunk” and voted for McCain like I did without thinking much of him.

    She would think you and your wife’s obsession about Sarah Palin pathetic and strange – clinically insane, in fact.
    My wife and Sarah Palin?

  8. “And Elric, puhleeze. In your strange parallel universe, Sarah Palin is a private citizen and Barack Obama is not black. You need to go on medication if you’re not on it already.”

    That would be correct on both counts. Sarah Palin is indeed a private citizen and Thuggy is indeed biracial. Perhaps you you should take medication to cure your anti-palin and anti white viewpoint.

  9. I still am waiting for the random Edwards cartoon.

    Liberal weenies never get along with hot chicks.

    Did you happen to hear the liberal spin on that ESPN chick that got stalked and spied on?

    It was her fault!

    In fact, I heard numerous uni brow, Janet Reno looking batches saying she brought this upon her self .

    Ahh….how far “liberalism” has come.

    ___________________________________________________
    On a scale of 1 to 10, how ignorant am I that I never heard of Michelle Bachmann?

  10. Rabbit,

    When the facts don’t fit your preconceived notions, you conveniently ignore the facts and march forward. But that link should have been forwarded to Wally Curator.

    Wally is still is swearing that the world will soon be burning up and the polar bears will all die! Cap and Trade Wally, our resident macroeconomic genius and climatologist.

    Wally still thinks Al Gore is a world class scientist and deserving of another Nobel Prize… 😆

  11. The weird thing is I guarantee I’m more of an environmentalist then those guys are.

    Oh, you can guarantee that Rabbit. You know like I do that Rutherford and Wally wouldn’t pick up a piece of trash unless it blew into their own front yard, forget actually walking the walk. They don’t do a damn thing but construct talking points, of which they would never in their own life abide by.

    Rutherford has much more important things to do today. Like make Sarah Palin cartoons.

  12. wow Rutherford, you couldn’t even have the sarah palin character with glasses on?! Lazy. Ass. jk 🙂
    and it’s more like Jerry Springer family, reality TV family would imply that she has a sense of normalcy.

    I would have something more meaningful to say here but I’ve bashed Sarah Palin enough in my short lifetime. She’s a boring story now, almost becoming irrelevant…until her book comes out with tons of inaccuracies.

  13. I used to hate it when Al Gore got the Nobel Prize award. Me and a friend in class listed all the ways he’s a hypocrite, the man buys his own carbon credits for crying out loud. so he can fly in a huge plane.

  14. Said Sarah had “spunk”

    I actually don’t argue with that. She does have spunk. Outside of politics, I would probably like her quite a bit. She has a sense of humor. She is camera friendly. She is a great entertainer. But for me that is as far as it goes.

    Obviously you know your wife and I don’t but I have a hard time believing Mrs. Tex feels Palin is presidential material. And please don’t deflect by saying neither was Barack Obama. That is a different argument. The fact that you essentially said your wife found her inconsequential tells me that Palin was not held in the highest regard by her.

    P.S. Nothing you said about your wife surprises me. As for mine, I sought her out more than vice versa and consider myself incredibly lucky to have her. Without getting too personal, I think she considers me a kind person and that was a major factor in our getting together. One more thing, if your wife was raised in anything resembling a small town, she and my wife would get on famously. There is something about that culture that resonates with her. She also likes and admires strong women. She happens not to consider Palin a prime example of that. She’d probably vote for your wife. 😉

    P.P.S. As far as obsession goes, I assure you my obsession with Palin ranks a 2 compared with Elric’s obsession with Muslims which ranks an 11 on the 10 point scale (ala Spinal Tap).

  15. Barack Obama ready to pay Afghan fighters to ditch the Taliban

    Do you have amnesia? That is exactly what we did in Iraq during the surge. You’re the one who said we should treat Afghanistan just like Iraq.

  16. On a scale of 1 to 10, how ignorant am I that I never heard of Michelle Bachmann?

    Believe me, I wish I had never heard of Michelle Bachmann.

    As for Edwards, I plead 100% guilty. He was a scumbag and he deserved a post from me saying so. I haven’t read much about the ESPN woman who got peeped on but what little I did hear did not blame her. Anyone who blames her for being stalked and spied on is an idiot.

  17. DR, from the article you posted:
    “Sceptics disagree. They insist it is unlikely that temperatures will reach the dizzy heights of 1998 until 2030 at the earliest. It is possible, they say, that because of ocean and solar cycles a period of global cooling is more likely.”

    All this says is that the problem is not as imminent as we might have thought. I don’t know whether you saw Hippie Prof’s comment on this but I thought it was great. Take a normal sine wave on a flat X axis and then tip the axis up 20 degrees keeping the wave in place on the axis. What you get over time are higher lows and higher highs. Short term you get periods of warming and cooling. Long term you get warming only.

    So, the question I would pose to you DR is this: If the only dispute is how much time we have, why not take steps now and be on the safe side?

  18. The weird thing is I guarantee I’m more of an environmentalist then those guys are.

    LOL …. Rabbit, some straight talk from RL: I don’t recycle. Too damn lazy. LOL

    I never said global warming was at the top of my list of concerns by the way. I’m just not so quick to dismiss it as some of you guys.

  19. Rutherford has much more important things to do today. Like make Sarah Palin cartoons.

    Dag, can’t a guy have a little fun? At least I tried to “make” one as opposed to Elric who just posts other people’s cartoons.

  20. Sensico, yeah glasses would have been a nice touch. I use a comic strip constructor that has some pretty severe limitations but it at least gets me beyond the stick figures that represent the bounds of my artistic talent. 🙂

  21. until her book comes out with tons of inaccuracies.

    Oh my! She has a book coming out? How can that be when Elric says she is just a poor private citizen minding her own business?

  22. Hi.

    New around here, but I want to say I agree that Michelle Bachman does manage the remarkable feat of making Sarah Palin look good.

    Honestly, I would laugh at the rightwing meme of “look how threatened the left is by Palin” if it didn’t betray some deeply troubling truths about the seemingly intractable cognitive dissonance in this country.
    Yeah, we’re “threatened” by her, all right. The idea that anyone eveven for a moment considers such a person to be serious presidential timber is an extremely threatening thought. I, personally, am threatened by vapidity, incuriousity cynically disguised as folksy charm. Because that potion is some damn dangerous stuff.

    But Bachman…. jeez. She’s in a class by herself, that one. What she lacks in Palin’s folksy schtick she makes up for with sheer thuggery. A polite, female version of thuggery, but no less toxic for its damaging effect on our discourse.

  23. “Oh my! She has a book coming out? How can that be when Elric says she is just a poor private citizen minding her own business?”

    Private citizens cant write books?

    “Welcome Marbles. Well said, well said indeed.”

    Thought you didnt like the term “thuggery”. Such a hypocrite like all leftist morons.

    You still didnt comment on the video posted on #8. Nothing to say about blacks being treated and slaughtered like cattle my Arab muslims? Palin and Bachmann more important that that Dodger?

  24. “I’ve even toyed with starting a running post to track her faux-pas but I decided they were well enough documented elsewhere so why waste my time.”

    But ypu wont do that with Thuggy who is a walking breathing faux-pas? Hypocrite

  25. Marbles, first welcome. You remind me of a guy named General Chen. Now to point out your glaring lack of objectivity and tastes.

    Yeah, we’re “threatened” by her, all right. The idea that anyone eveven for a moment considers such a person to be serious presidential timber is an extremely threatening thought. I, personally, am threatened by vapidity, incuriousity cynically disguised as folksy charm. Because that potion is some damn dangerous stuff.

    Yet, I’ll bet you’re out their waving the flag of grit, gusto and glamor for some of these fine “jewels” of the Democratic party: (1) Nancy Pelosi, (2) Barbara Boxer, (3) Maxine Waters, (4) Maria Cantwell (if we just build them some roads, everything will be better), (5) Debbie Stabenow (fine job of managing Michigan on the way up Deb). Want to tell me the appeal of any of these hags? And don’t give me that crap about they ain’t running for President because sitting in the Senate isn’t chump change.

    Another lefty activist with selective memory and double standards. Ho hum. Never fear around here – you’ve got company in blog owner’s misandrist of a wife.

  26. Elric,

    Lawd, how could I forget Hillary Rotten Clinton??? In the MaO Bamamania, she has almost been forgotten. Did you ever think in your wildest days you’d fine yourself saying if Hillary Rotten had been elected President, “We could have done worse…”?

    Like we did last November? If the results weren’t so tragic and our history slipping away, I could actually laugh at people like Rutherford, Wally, and Mr. Marbles.

  27. Tex,

    Thuggy supersedes all other stars. 🙂

    Its hard to find humor in whats he doing but the honeymoon is over. Even SNL is mocking him. 2 weeks in a row. Guess Thuggy is going to cry to NBC now. Friggin wuss.

  28. Poll: What was the Obamateurism of the Week?
    posted at 9:00 am on October 11, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    The Obamateurism poll is a lot like Barack Obama’s Nobel prize — it’ll recognize a lack of achievement. It has its roots more in The Gong Show than in Gandhi’s India, but at least it gets the name of the head of state right. Thousands of people are impressed enough with it to cast votes, which beats Obama’s concept of how many people Chicago has impressed in decades of hosting sporting events. I’d brag about the choice I think would win, but it’s usually best to wait for the results first.

    What was the Obamateurism of the Week (10/11)?
    “America of today has its roots in Gandhi’s India”

    White House gets name of Danish PM incorrect

    Chicago has impressed “scores of visitors and spectators”

    US was on “path to recovery” before durable goods orders fell, mass layoffs rose

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/11/poll-what-was-the-obamateurism-of-the-week-18/

    Dont forget to vote. Even you Dodger

  29. Pravda: The sweet smell of marxism in America
    posted at 4:38 am on October 11, 2009 by Michael van der Galien
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    You won’t believe it, I’m sure, but Russian newspaper Pravda (yeah, the former propaganda tool of the communist party) has zero appreciation for Barack Obama. Obama, the newspaper says, is trying to bring Marxism to America – and Americans are accepting it because he “radically transforms” their country with a friendly smile on his face.

    American Marxists, Pravda says, are smarter than their ideological brethren abroad. They understand that you can’t ram marxism through voters’ throats the traditional way. No, you’ve got to take your time:

    http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2009/10/11/pravda-the-sweet-smell-of-marxism-in-america/

  30. Densico,

    You watch the video on post #8? Thats who deserved the Nobel Peace Prize.

    Right about what. He didnt saying anything concrete just like you.

    Let me know your responses after you get back from the crapper.

  31. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) strongly criticized Barack Obama for dithering over accepting the recommendation for troops increases in Afghanistan by his handpicked Aghan commander, Gen. Stanley McChrystal, and blamed the delay for contributing to the deaths of eight U.S. soldiers at a small base in Nuristan that was nearly overrun by the Taliban last week.

    Feinstein, who chairs the Senate Intelligence Committee, made her remarks on a panel discussion on ABC News’ This Week with George Stephanopoulos this morning:

    “I don’t know how you put somebody in who was as crackerjack as General McChrystal, who gives the president very solid recommendations, and not take those recommendations if you’re not going to pull out.

    If you don’t want to take the recommendations, then you — you — you put your people in such jeopardy, just like the base in Nuristan. We lost eight of our men. We didn’t have the ability to defend them, and now the base is closing, and effectively we’re — we’re retreating away from it. And so I think the decision has to be made sooner, rather than later.”

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/10/dem-sen-dianne-feinstein-blames-deaths-of-8-us-soldiers-on-obama-and-his-indecision-over-mcchrystals.html

    Ouch

  32. Feinstien is right.

    Can you imagine serving under a commander and chief like Obama.

    You know that the guy would have lost the Iraq war had he been elected 4 years earlier. Nobody can deny this.

    You also know that he waffles on any decision where his neck is on the line ( see senate voting record).

    And while he “hand picked” you, you have a responsbility for the troops over there that keep you in a cold sweat at night. He will throw you under the bus in a heart beat, as he did his life long “mentor” and campaign spirtual advisor. The same man who baptized his kids.

    You also know that your commander and chief has never made an executive decision in his entire life until his presidency.

    The commander and chief has flip flopped several times on the CIA, on Gitmno, on the public option, on a cop who arrested a belligerent dick head…blah…blah. His entire foriegn policy has resulted only in a more beligerent North Korea and an Iran that is both making advances in weaponized uranium but the delivery system as well. (McCain called all of this out to the tee in the debate)

    The Norwegians love him though. Lot of good that does fighting murderous savages in Afghanistan so that Oslo is safe.

    While the Marines are assaulting Al Queda and Taliban in a newly sprung offensive, he is carousing with the gay community promising them things that, yet again, he could make happen overnight, but won’t (see above reference to neck).

    Dude…your hand picked General has asked for troops 6 months ago. Guaranteed. Thank God he has the balls to make it public, the life of his servicemen are at stake as well as the war itself.

    Sorry..I forgot…we’re not at war. Send the FBI in!

  33. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091010/ap_on_go_co/us_frank_gay_march

    Is it me or is the underlying mood of the new Democratic Party to mock and scold any dissidence what so ever?

    They really can’t stand any questioning of the Federal Government.

    It doesn’t matter from who, or by who.

    Questioning the Feds is a waste of time, we’re told.

    I don’t have anything in common with the gay people marching on Washington other then that I believe it IS important to let the Feds know where the hell you stand.

    Barney Frank and his ilk are an actual danger to our most basic of pillars of liberty.

  34. “Can you imagine serving under a commander and chief like Obama. ”

    No and pity our troops that have to call this POS marxist islamist kiss ass their CIC.

  35. Tex Taylor, you are completely missing the picture here, and demonstrating exactly what I mean by cognitive dissonance.

    Pelosi, Boxer, Waters….any of them. You recite that list as if they’re examples of something besides politics you disagree with.
    Are you really, honestly trying to compare the way they communicate to the likes of Palin? I’m serious, here. I am not talking about statements of theirs you disagree with. I’m not talking about statements that are factually debatable. I am talking about statements that betray some depth. Palin, from the moment she walked onto the national stage, demonstrated a lack of depth not only stunning, but horrifying in its context. A vice president with a debatably even more provincial worldview than George W. Bush’s would be a serious low in our history.

    Palin’s political beliefs are nothing new, and would not merit much attention on their own. It is her incuriosity, provinciality, narrowness, shallowness, and reliance on schtick to carry her through the day that make her noteworthy. It is her thoughtless explotation of our culture’s faultlines for political traction—–I would call it “cynical exploitation” but I honestly don’t believe she devotes enough time introspecting on these matters to merit calling her style “cynical.” It is her devotion to dividing us even further along those faultlines, her devotion to pumping new, vigorous life into our political culture of cheap, shallow sound bites.

    How can anyone, regardless of their political beliefs, compare the women you and Elric bring up to Palin, and come away with the conclusion that Palin is deeper, more serious, more intelligent, more studied, more knowledgable? How? I listen to Ronald Reagan’s old speeches—-I don’t agree with a word he says but I can easily understand why he was so beloved. I don’t agree with a word Buckley said in his old televised debates, but it’s clear that he was intelligent, knowledgable, and serious. I believe much of what Richard Nixon did was morally bankrupt, but there’s no question that the man was very intelligent. Even Newt Gingrich, whom I utterly despise, clearly comes across as an intelligent person.

    But Palin? There’s very little there. And how anyone can NOT SEE THAT is incredible.

  36. Considering the daily idiocy that spews from Thuggy’s mouth, its hilarious that the drones try to insult the private citizen Sarah Palin, as if that will make Thuggy seem somewhat intelligent.

  37. Elric, anyone who would lower themselves to using a completely meaningless name like “Thuggy” is hardly in a position to comment on seeming intelligent.

    Really. “Thuggy”? Honestly? That’s clever? That’s relevant?

    At any rate, your standard of “idiocy” is based around what you perceive to be facts versus lies. If you had read my words more carefully, you would have seen that truth versus untruth alone is not the point, here.

    Depth, sir. DEPTH.

  38. “Really. “Thuggy”? Honestly? That’s clever? That’s relevant? ”

    Yep, it sure is. Thuggy is such a moron they even track his daily ineptness on Hot Air. Rather funny actually

    “Depth, sir. DEPTH.”

    Uh huh. We all know what a “deep intellectual” Thuggy is. LOL

  39. Regarding comment #8, kudos to you Elric for posting the video. I’m amazed at our outrage in so many parts of the world yet we have done little in Darfur to end suffering there.

    Here’s an idea for you. Brutal theocracies should not be allowed to hide behind their religion in order to oppress their people.

  40. “I’m amazed at our outrage in so many parts of the world yet we have done little in Darfur to end suffering there.”

    Thats because its muslims oppressing and slaughtering black Africans. No one really cares. Now if it were the Jews in place of the Arab muslims, well then it would be a world wide outrage. World is more concerned about the “plight’ of the poor Palis to be bothered by a genocide a a few million black Africans.

    “Brutal theocracies should not be allowed to hide behind their religion in order to oppress their people.”

    But they do and since the OIC has great power in the UN, it will continue.

  41. Moron, eh?

    Like many reactionaries, you’re failing to make important distinctions. As i’ve said, just for a moment ignore the fact that you disagree with what Obama says and agree with what Palin says. By any objective standard, there is no way to conclude that Palin has more intellectual depth or knowledge of policy. Anyone who says otherwise is simply lying, and they are lying because in any other context in their lives, completely outside of politics, there is no doubt whose words would carry more weight.

    Politics, like religion, can make people invert their entire worldview and behavioral pattern for the purpose. (i.e.—if some schmoe walked up to you and claimed to have performed miracles, you’d tell him to check himself in. But on Sunday in church, you’ll believe that another man 2,000 years ago DID perform miracles.)

    If I can suspend my beliefs to acknowledge the intellects of Buckley, Nixon, and any other conservative with depth, it is not asking much to expect others to do the same in reverse.

    And “Thuggy” remains not only meaningless but also inexplicable. Unless you gave the matter enough thought to have given him that moniker based on the alleged brutality of his Chicago political machine, there is only one other way to read your though process behind that name. And it’s not a pretty one.

  42. “there is only one other way to read your though process behind that name. And it’s not a pretty one.”

    Please play the race card, I beg you. 🙂

  43. Not interested in playing the race card. Especially since it looks damned silly for a white person to play it.

    What I am interested in is an explanation.

  44. “Palin, from the moment she walked onto the national stage, demonstrated a lack of depth not only stunning, but horrifying in its context.-Marbles

    I happen to somewhat agree with you, to a small degree.

    What mystifies me is the free pass you give to Biden.

    His lack of historical awareness is dumbfounding. His intellect almost clownish.

    I know, I know, he’s been in Congress for a long time. That makes hims somewhat more elite then Palin.

    The fact of the matter is, politicians are some of dumbest pieces of aristocratic shit in America.

    Palin, while pretty lack luster outside of Alaska, did some amazing things in her home state state. This can’t be discounted.

    Why, then, the constant attacks on her?

    Call her a dumb ass or a quitter and move on.

    Why the “retard” baby jokes by so many leftist bloggers?

    Why so many photo shopped pictures with Palin in a bikini?

    Oh, were told it’s her “reality tv family. What’s Al Gore’s son been up to the last 10 years?

    Many of this kind of crap popped up on the media AFTER the election.

    Why doesn’t Rutherford have Edwards jokes sporadically interwoven into his blog?

    No, instead he has linked to David Letterman making jokes about Palin’s daughter being raped by Arod many months AFTER the election.

    Whooa! WTF?

    So, if you can’t set both politics AND your take of Palin’s intellectual depth aside, and explain to me the irrational fixation on Palin, only one of ten thousand semi dullards in the American politcal landscape, then you are not the “objective” saint you claim to be.

  45. Marbles,

    Pelosi, Boxer, Waters….any of them. You recite that list as if they’re examples of something besides politics you disagree with.

    Are you really, honestly trying to compare the way they communicate to the likes of Palin? I’m serious, here. I am not talking about statements of theirs you disagree with. I’m not talking about statements that are factually debatable. I am talking about statements that betray some depth.

    If you’re dumb enough to compare anybody with a room temperature IQ like Nancy Pelosi, or the absolute biggest idiot to ever walk the halls of Congress named Maxine Waters, who couldn’t even use the word “nationalize” in context when referring to the oil industry and instead substituted “socialize” “tribalize” and every other “ize” before the CEO helped her while she sat on high, then you’re hardly worth debating. Remember this beauty lost Marbles?

    http://hotair.com/archives/2008/05/22/video-maxine-waters-threatens-to-nationalize-americas-oil-industry/

    You’re another in a long list of politically leftist hacks who I eventually dispose of here. My initial impression is you’re none too bright, but a legend in your own mind nonetheless. When I get the time, I’ll slap the starch out of you for good measure.

  46. Elric:

    Right on schedule. I KNEW you were going to say that.

    Elric, all I can do is laugh. Not two days ago, I was in a heated argument on another blog with a guy (black) who was determined to play the race card about everything. Absolutely everything. Oh, he denied it, and tried to dress it up in other language, but that’s exactly what he was doing.

    I told him that his type is nothing but the flipside of the coin whose other side is represented by, well, the type you appear to be. I have taken to calling him and his ilk what they truly are—-flipside white ultraconservatives.

    I have absolutely no patience for gratutious use of the race card. I also have no patience for the kind of militant ignorance that created the need for a race card in the first place.

    Before you play that smug “got it” game with people, it would serve you well to wait a few more seconds and find out just how they operate. Your thinking, as with the flipsiders, is more black and white than a beluga caught in an oil spill.

  47. DHS slashes funds for NYC counterterror funding

    After all, the war on terror is over, right? Najibullah Zazi? Pah! “Stunning: Despite Plot, NYC’s Terror Funds Slashed,” by Marcia Kramer for CBS, October 10 (thanks to Pamela):

    NEW YORK (CBS) ― After facing one of the most serious terror threats since the 9-11 attacks, Department of Homeland Security officials are slashing a big chunk of anti-terror funding to New York City.

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/dhs-slashes-funds-for-nyc-counterterror-funding.html

    Well NY did vote for Thuggy, they are just getting what they voted for. Cant feel too sorry for them

  48. dead rabbit:

    “What mystifies me is the free pass you give to Biden.
    His lack of historical awareness is dumbfounding. His intellect almost clownish. ”

    I don’t agree that Biden’s intellect is clownish.
    His MOUTH, however, IS. I’ve gotten to the point where I’m nervous when he speaks.
    But one need only remember the VP debate to get some perspective on who the bigger “clown” is. Biden is a smart man who says some very, very stupid things, but Palin is a shallow person who could not approach Biden on any substantive grounds. I’d prefer Biden keep his yap shut more often than he does, but I’m sorry—there is just comparison here.

    “Why, then, the constant attacks on her?
    Call her a dumb ass or a quitter and move on.”

    I really don’t understand it when people say that.
    If she had faded from national attention after November ’08, then of course she’d almost entirely forgotten by now. Yeah, she’d still be the subject of the occasional “Hey, remember how McCain actually tried to…” joke, but no one would have any reason to still acknowledge her existence if she wasn’t so busy existing to the nth degree. She’s determined to EXIST, brother. Really exist. And her fans make it clear that that’s what they want, too.
    How can you ignore that and “move on”? Though I suppose we really should—maybe she’d lose traction.

    “Why the “retard” baby jokes by so many leftist bloggers?

    Hey, don’t look at me. I thought from day one that the way the media treated Palin was absolutely disgusting. She had barely walked onto the podium that day when people started in on her. Yes, in my opinion they turned out to be largely CORRECT, but that doesn’t excuse the horrible things so many said about her. So many people, men and women alike, were incredibly chauvanistic and sexist about her in a way that left the sexism surrounding Hillary’s campaign spinning in the dust. They were calling her dumb BEFORE she demonstrated as such. They were putting standards on her that they NEVER would have put on a man. (“How will a vice president be able to take care of a new baby?”) Disgusting. They behaved terribly, and that’s why I reluctantly sympathize with some of Palin’s hatred for the media.
    (SOME, I said.)

    I didn’t go to any lefty blogs where people would degrade themselves enough to make jokes about Trig. Anyone who does things like that is, without qualification, a thug.

    “Palin, while pretty lack luster outside of Alaska, did some amazing things in her home state state. This can’t be discounted. ”

    Some Alaskans very vocally reject this, but no matter. I’m not interested in trying to downplay what she did or didn’t accomplish for the public good in her home state.

    “No, instead he has linked to David Letterman making jokes about Palin’s daughter being raped by Arod many months AFTER the election.”

    Come on. It was so obvious he was making fun of Bristol, not Willow. And he NEVER said rape, and there was nothing about the remark to suggest he meant rape. That’s not to say the joke wasn’t him being a douche. It was. But I consider this whole thing another example of a fresh product from Faux Outrage, Incorporated (the most prosperous company in America!!!!)

  49. Elric:

    And on this we are in 1000% agreement, espeically given where I’m typing these words from right now.

    Color me outraged.

  50. Waters screwed up. She’s not the first and she won’t be the last. My point wasn’t to praise her or any of the others. My point is that there is no comparison between them and Palin.

    To clarify this further—–I believe Michelle Bachman is a far more toxic and ignorant politican than Palin is, but she communicates better. She expresses herself clearly.

    This is isn’t an either/or thing, here.

  51. Never fear around here – you’ve got company in blog owner’s misandrist of a wife.

    Ehhh, Tex, my wife, who is not a misandrist, almost never comments here, so how is that an example of Marbles being in good company?

    I know you’re having fun throwing your 20 point Scrabble word around. We all know you’ve got a great vocab. You can give it a rest.

  52. You gotta love Dodger’s pick for “conservative” women for his daughter to emulate.

    Actually, I’d prefer my daughter emulate liberal women but for the sake of argument, what’s your beef with Kay Bailey Hutchison and Olympia Snowe?

    (Well, I know the prob with Olympia … she’s a traitor cos she tries to be work across the aisle.)

  53. (Well, I know the prob with Olympia … she’s a traitor cos she tries to be work across the aisle.)

    Umm no. She is a democrat pretending to be a Republican. Hutchinson isnt much better.

    No comment on #58?

  54. Dude…your hand picked General has asked for troops 6 months ago.

    An interesting point was made on one of the Sunday shows this morning. When was the last time a commander in the field said, “you know, I don’t need so many troops. We can send some of our boys home.”

    Truth is, request for more troops by a field commander is not unusual. It is just unusual that it is playing out in our public discourse. This stuff is usually done behind the scenes.

  55. Barney Frank and his ilk are an actual danger to our most basic of pillars of liberty.

    All Frank said was that street protests were not the best use of their time and effort. He said the better approach was direct lobbying of congressmen. What is wrong with that?

  56. I don’t agree with a word Buckley said in his old televised debates

    Marbles, William F. Buckley spins in his grave every time Palin opens her mouth. To put the two names in the same sentence is a grave insult to the former.

    You know why Tex and Elric get upset with our criticism of Palin? Because Palin is just like the dumb broads who live down the street from Elric and Tex who spout nonsense. When we insult Palin, we insult the “real American women” whom Tex and Elric see on a daily basis.

    P.S. No, Tex I’m not referring to your wife … in fact I would prefer we take our wives out of the argument, even though I introduced them.

  57. Free Speech Under Foreign Assault – by Robert Spencer

    Does the United States Constitution protect the freedom of speech of American citizens, or does it not? In this era of globalization, the answer is becoming increasingly muddled. Thursday, an American citizen, Paul Williams, went on trial in Canada. He is charged with violating Canadian libel laws in charges he made in his book The Dunces of Doomsday about a jihad terror cell at McMaster University in Ontario. Likewise in Brazil, an American business writer, Joseph Sharkey, is on trial for what he wrote about Brazilian air-traffic controllers after he survived an airplane crash in Brazil.

    If nothing is done, the problem is certain to get worse — for Williams and Sharkey are not the first American victims of the tactic that has come to be known as “libel tourism.” The late Saudi billionaire Khalid Salim bin Mahfouz sued Rachel Ehrenfeld, founder and director of the American Center for Democracy, several years ago. Bin Mahfouz was upset about Ehrenfeld’s book, Funding Evil, in which she wrote that he was involved in funding Hamas and al Qaeda – a charge for which there was abundant evidence from Western intelligence agencies. Nevertheless, taking advantage of British libel laws that place the burden of proof on the defendant, rather than the plaintiff, bin Mahfouz sued not in the United States, where Ehrenfeld lives and published her book, but in Britain, where neither he nor Ehrenfeld lived and where his entire case depended upon a handful of copies sold in that country mostly through special orders from Amazon.com, and the appearance of one chapter of the book on the Internet, where could have been read by British readers. A British court awarded bin Mahfouz $250,000, and Ehrenfeld had to devote the bulk of her time for years to fighting this judgment.

    http://frontpagemag.com/2009/10/09/free-speech-under-foreign-assault-by-robert-spencer/

  58. “You know why Tex and Elric get upset with our criticism of Palin?”

    Upset? Nahhh We find it funny and somewhat disturbing you focus so much of your time on a private citizen. Especially as Thuggy rips this nation apart you are more worried about what Palin will say next on her Facebook account. LOL

  59. What I am interested in is an explanation.

    LOL Marbles, you will not get an explanation from Elric. He will answer your questions with more questions, interspersed with insults. That’s his MO.

    You are now seeing the full force of the conservative readers of my blog. Stay strong my friend, keep coming back, and keep speaking the truth. There are way too few of us here. 🙂

  60. As for dumb, you know whats dumb?

    Thinking there are 57 states

    Thinking Austrian is a language

    Giving a foreign head of state a DVD set…….in the wrong format

    Not knowing your own child’s medical history as you are pushing though government healthcare

    Stuttering when not on teleprompter

    Bowing to the Saudi King

    Siding with despots and islamists

    SHall I go on?

  61. “LOL Marbles, you will not get an explanation from Elric. He will answer your questions with more questions, interspersed with insults. That’s his MO.”

    Projecting Dodger?

  62. Rutherford and Lost His Marbles,

    You’re not fooling anyone with your screed. You’re hung up on Palin, thinking somehow you’ll score points trying to take the emphasis of Obama’s miserable performance in every capacity. Palin is out of the picture minus a book. President MaO Bama is still sloshing thru the mud, screwing the country each and every day. This is the standard M.O. of the left. Destroy those who threaten your little province to hide your dismal failures.

    Not going to work this time boys. You were dealt a full house and you still got beat.

    I just gave Lost an example of the stupidity on the left, one of millions I could have provided, and you notice how he conveniently listed it as a misstep, then completely excused the incomparable idiot Joe Biden each and every time the moron opens his mouth? You mean to tell me Lost you aren’t what you say? Biden, the so-called Constitutional expert, even screwed that up in the debate with the so-called airhead who kicked his ass as the jump in the polls showed.

    But be thankful for Jolting Joe. He’s the only reason I’m hoping Obama last for four years.

  63. Yeah Tex, it’s weird isn’t. Biden misspeaks. But Palin is a moron?

    How do we judge both? By the words they say.

    Nice rubric, Marbles.

    Do you mind to telling me why Biden’s words mean less then Palin’s?

    Was it his awesomeness during college? Or maybe his East coast childhood? Perhaps all those good DC meals on the house?

    I think Palin is lackluster. I wouldn’t vote for her. So, there is no allegiance to Palin skewing my analysis.

    On the one hand, you say there is just NO comparison between Biden and Palin. But on the other, you concede that Palin was completely stereotyped from the start while also admitting you cringe every time the dude opens his mouth.

    But…”there is just no comparison there”??????

    Demonstrate your claim. Why??????????

    You admit she was stereotyped from the start. Did she ever have a chance?
    _______________________________________________
    As for Rutherford complaining that Palin was used because she was a woman in the same week his deity was given a Nobel peace prize for jack shit is real rich.The most special thing about Obama, both in America and abroad, is that he is black.

    He was groomed by the party because he was black.

    Just like W won the presidency because he was a Bush.

    It’s almost sickening how you people ignore common sense shit.

  64. “Palin is out of the picture minus a book.”

    That’d be just fine with me. I’m tired of unserious people being propped up as serious. They take up valuable space.

    And as for the rest of what you said, it’s pretty boilerplate. Presuming to speak for our motives based on deliberate misundertandings of what we say mixed in with copius amounts of projection (right down to accusing US of projection).

    I call it as I see it. And what I see is immaturity, unseriousness, and a proud eagerness to limit one’s understanding. I’ll call it on the left, I’ll call it on the right, and I’ll call it on my own words when the shoe fits.

  65. dead rabbit:

    Biden has demonstrated an actual grasp of issues that Palin can’t approach. He also, despite his propensity for dumbass remarks, communicates in a manner that belies an intelligent man. Palin has never given the slightest indication that she has any understanding of issues beyond the most superficial surface stuff, and heavily skewed toward rightwing talking point sound bite territory, at that. (before you ask, an example of the leftwing equivalent is the simplistic “No blood for oil!”)

    It’s the difference between someone whose speech is peppered with stupid remarks versus someone who skims the surface and never goes deeper than an inch or two. Given the regrettable choice, it’s no contest.

    People often mistake shallowness for “straight talk.” (and not McCain’s type of straight talk, either).

    You and me are simply seeing Biden differently. I can’t understand how you equate the two, but we’re clearly not going to convince each other of anything.

    “You admit she was stereotyped from the start. Did she ever have a chance?”

    Of course. She had a chance every time she spoke publicly, gave an interview, or released a statement. I gave her a shot. I’m sure you did, too, when you saw how the media was treating her. And what conclusion did you come to? Same as I did, evidently.

    “The most special thing about Obama, both in America and abroad, is that he is black. He was groomed by the party because he was black.”

    I just can’t understand that argument. By that logic, Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton’s campaigns would have gone further. You think this is about race and race alone? Then why did it take so long for Obama to even appear to have a serious chance? Why did blacks not throw their support behind him until Iowa gave the appearance that it just might be possible? Obama being black was an exploitable novelty, from a political perspective, sure. Don’t think anyone would deny that. But to say that that’s the entire story, or even most of it? Sorry. That’s just illogical. It ignores so much.

  66. “The most special thing about Obama, both in America and abroad, is that he is black.”

    no, the most special thing is his ideals and what he stands for and then the fact that he’s black. You act like Obama is the first black leader of a country. Well, surprise, but he’s not. If Obama was Micheal Steele then the world would still hates us and he wouldn’t have won the nobel prize for diplomacy and anti-nuclear agenda 🙂

  67. Biden may make gaffes, but his record shows that they are indeed gaffes.
    Palin makes gaffes but her record doesn’t show us that she meant to say what she said or whether she indeed misspoke.

  68. the fact that he was a constitutional law professor and member of congress showed that he didn’t mean 57 states. And weird how conservatives always cling to that one mistake to prove their dumbass point.

    If palin said 57 states, we wouldn’t know if she misspoke because she still believes she can see Russia from her house and she can’t articulate what periodicals she reads.

  69. “the fact that he was a constitutional law professor and member of congress showed that he didn’t mean 57 states.”

    Really? That shows it? You ask and kid in school they would know. How can you make a mistake like that? Oh wait, he wasnt on teleprompter, thats why.

    “If palin said 57 states, we wouldn’t know if she misspoke because she still believes she can see Russia from her house”

    Thats how much of a dumbass you are. Thats was Tina Fey on SNL thats said that. You are so friggin stupid you cant even get that straight.

  70. Biden has demonstrated an actual grasp of issues that Palin can’t approach.

    Name one genius…I’m still waiting for Joe to get the President correct during the start of the Great Depression. Still waiting for his foreign policy “expertise.” No wonder you like him. You sound like him.

  71. You and me “I” are simply seeing Biden differently.

    You apparently need some help…like Joe. Or is it that you can’t see the forest for the trees?

    You’re a shill Marbles. Cheer up. In three years, you can go back to doing what you do best. Criticizing without the requirement to perform.

  72. Tex,

    And he got on TV, remember that? LOL I also like when he said paying taxes was the highest form of patriotism and Thuggy keeps nominating tax cheats. LOL

  73. oh, well I’m sorry, so is that just as bad as her thinking Alaska’s closeness to Russia gives her foreign policy experience. Obama actually went to russia with Lugar on the nonproliferation initiative I don’t see you letting him call that foreign policy experience.

  74. “Obama actually went to russia with Lugar on the nonproliferation initiative I don’t see you letting him call that foreign policy experience.”

    No, thats more like 2 duped letting themselves being suckered by the Russians.

  75. Elric:

    “He isn’t black, he’s biracial.”

    Oh, for….!

    You are just fulfilling every stereotype on the checklist.

    For 200 years, white Americans categorized everyone according to the one-drop rule. Which they invented to serve their interests. And now that we have a president who self-identifies as black (largely, I might add, because that’s what’s expected of him in this society), conservatives are calling foul? Uh…no.

    Sure, he is biracial. No, that is not somehow supposed to cancel out “black”. It’s way too late for that.
    If he were anyone else, would you give a flying fig whether he were identified as black or biracial?

  76. “Sure, he is biracial. No, that is not somehow supposed to cancel out “black”. It’s way too late for that.”

    It would cancel out black and white.

    “If he were anyone else, would you give a flying fig whether he were identified as black or biracial?”

    If that person was sold as “post racial” I would.

    But given that he went to a racist church for 20 years, we both know thats not true.

  77. You’re another in a long list of politically leftist hacks who I eventually dispose of here.

    Marbles, just to be clear, since Tex tonight seems full of delusions of grandeur. I am the blog owner … Tex is one of many guests who spouts the conservative talking points. He does it more intelligently than most but much of it is conservative drivel nonetheless.

    He “disposes” of no one here, except in his grand imagination. The fact that he is an Elric-devotee should tell you volumes about him. Despite repeated requests from me to reject Elric’s more outrageous nonsense, Tex seems to have blown a mental fuse somewhere along the line and now aligns himself with anyone who hates Barack Obama. It’s become pretty sad.

  78. “The fact that he is an Elric-devotee should tell you volumes about him”

    That he is a smart guy

    “Despite repeated requests from me to reject Elric’s more outrageous nonsense”

    Such as?

    “Tex seems to have blown a mental fuse somewhere along the line and now aligns himself with anyone who hates Barack Obama.”

    Again, smart guy -)

  79. Elric, regarding comment 58, if it were Jews rather than blacks getting slaughtered, there would have been loads of outrage. I thought I’d tweak your scenario to a more realistic example.

  80. As for Rutherford complaining that Palin was used because she was a woman in the same week his deity was given a Nobel peace prize for jack shit is real rich.

    Rabbit why do you fall into the trap of countering an argument with an unrelated example. I’m not talking about Obama’s “prize” which I’ve conceded in this blog was an odd event.

    Just let me hear you say it Rabbit. John McCain, who has as much respect for women as Larry Flynt (perhaps less) used Sarah Palin in a desperately cynical attempt to win the election and in so doing, may have put someone dangerously ignorant, next in line to lead the free world. C’mon Rabbit, say it.

  81. “Obama being black was an exploitable novelty, from a political perspective, sure”-marbles

    That is exactly what I meant.

    Do you honestly think the excitment over Obama would exist had he identified himself as white? The nobel peace prize? The whole “Change We Can Believe In” motiff? All the buzz? The Europeans fawning over him? The name and face recognition?

    I’m not saying the man doesn’t have political skills becuase he does. But his canvass, so to speak, to express those skills is his black heritage.

    Just like it would have been for Palin. The “small town woman” would have been the canvass.

    It’s absolutely hypercritical of Rutherford to call the GOP out for playing a little demographics.

    Obama is a liberal bore sans Africa lineage. Yet another left wing lawyer manipulating the urban, political wasteland. Shhhhhhnnnoooooooooooooooooz!

  82. “Just let me hear you say it Rabbit. John McCain, who has as much respect for women as Larry Flynt (perhaps less) used Sarah Palin in a desperately cynical attempt to win the election and in so doing, may have put someone dangerously ignorant, next in line to lead the free world. C’mon Rabbit, say it.”

    How’s this: The Democratic Party used Obama in a desperately cynical attempt that WON the election and in doing so, put someone dangerously ignorant in line to lead the free world. C’mon Rutherford, say it.

  83. “You admit she was stereotyped from the start. Did she ever have a chance?”

    You know Rabbit, this reminds me of the British talent contestant Susan Boyle. She was a dowdy, very un-hip bordering on homely woman who got on stage and got laughed at … until she opened her mouth and sang like a songbird.

    It could have been that way with Sarah Palin. She could have come on stage with that dumb-ass beauty pageant wave of hers and then opened her mouth and blew everyone away. She could have destroyed Katie Couric and Charlie Gibson. Unlike Susan Boyle, Sarah Palin opened her mouth and confirmed everyone’s worst suspicions. Think about it … Tina Fey lampooned the woman using her own words verbatim.

    Probably one of the things that keeps me on the attack with Palin is the right’s stubborn attempt to defend the indefensible. That’s what this article is about … wanna-be Governors and McCain’s ex campaign chief Steve Schmidt, are finally saying what every sane person is saying …. Sarah … go the hell back home and read a book!

  84. Oh really? Obama’s “prize” which Iyou’ve conceded in this blog was an ODD event?

    It fits right into a pattern. What the hell are you taking about? He has been fawned over by the mainstream media from day one. He has been considered for Mount Rushmore by your type since day 1.

    It took even Saturday Day Night Live an entire season to bust his balls. And even when they did MSM dissected the “factual accuracy” of the skit.

    Where is the resume? Where is the track record of leadership? What exactly are his accomplishments, pre and post election?

    No, the Nobel prize bestowed on him by those sycophants was actually very predicable.

    FOX news are seriously the only ones who actually keep him on his toes.

    Wolf Blitzer has elementary kids singing for dear leader, for God’s sake.

  85. “It could have been that way with Sarah Palin. She could have come on stage with that dumb-ass beauty pageant wave of hers and then opened her mouth and blew everyone away.”

    Oh, I get it. Her hair didn’t look like Janet Reno’s. You’ve got to be kidding me. Obama came on to the scene with “a Niger this, Niger that preacher” as his campaign’s spiritual adviser, but you do nothing but apologize. How dare we let that tarnish our first him impression of him.

    But Palin’s hair cut, now….how dare her. She doesn’t look like the bull dike style I love so much, you say.

    Meanwhile, Edwards has turned out to be straight up evil sociopath. Nothing from you. Not a word.

    I get it, you sad little man. Palin doesn’t cut the mustard with you.

    Do you realize you are the only person on planet earth that even brings Palin to my mind?

    I argue that many, many of your so called sophisticated liberals are just as fucking stupid. I went to school with them. I work with them every day.

    You really felt the need to link David Letterman talking about her little daughter getting fucked by Arod? Or for that matter, her older daughter? Or the photo shopped picture of that poor 1 year old?

    she is that rotten to you, a?

    And I have yet to see any of you haters show me one shred of evidence that Biden isn’t a total dumb ass.

    By the way, I know why your RABBIT EDIT RABBIT EDIT RABBIT EDIT RABBIT EDIT

  86. He “disposes” of no one here, except in his grand imagination.

    😆 How poor your memory. Don’t you recall when I first arrived, that smarmy blog bride and her gov’t employed husband picking a fight with yours truly? A few cheap shots, mixed it with a fine personal attack and it was hasta la vista baby.

    Seen Ugly Kay making the walk back over when I got done with her at Chen’s? She was such an easy target. You need to get somebody who is your equal to help you out. Your lib buddies that occasionally reside here are weak.

  87. Tex seems to have blown a mental fuse somewhere along the line and now aligns himself with anyone who hates Barack Obama. It’s become pretty sad.

    CHEAP SHOT! CHEAP SHOT!

    I can factually claim I hated Mao Bama before it was even cool to do so. Now Rutherford, at least grant me that I’ve said Mao an empty shirt and a zero long before Elric arrived.

    I knew Mao was a POS when he sat in the pews at Uncle Ebenezer’s whitey hatin’ palace for 20 years. In addition, Mao’s list of “friends” from domestic terrorists to hoodwinking honky haters didn’t win him any big kudos with me either. He has since proved me right.

    You sell Elric short like you do Palin. He must really give you a case of the raw ass to blather on so about our relationship. And of course, that makes Elric excellent in my book.

  88. sensico,

    To be perfectly honest, I find all Protestants a little weird. Nothing theological or not even any kind of judgment. They just were always those those “other” churches growing up.

    Do some of the Protestants do things I find odd? Yes. Speaking in tongue, loud singing etc. etc.

    So what?

    Doesn’t make them bad people. In fact, some of the best people I have ever met in my life have been Mormons or Pentecostals.

    Obama’s church was hateful.

    You don’t see the difference?

  89. “if it were Jews rather than blacks getting slaughtered, there would have been loads of outrage.”

    I agree with that statement.

  90. You really felt the need to link David Letterman talking about her little daughter getting fucked by Arod? Or for that matter, her older daughter? Or the photo shopped picture of that poor 1 year old?

    You know, this has been stated twice in this thread and it puzzles me. I know we had a heated debate about Letterman and about the photoshopped Trig pic but I don’t ever remember linking to any of it nor devoting an entire post to either one. Could be I’m just tired…. provide a link of an article that I devoted to Letterman or photoshopped Trig.

    By the way, I know why your RABBIT EDIT RABBIT EDIT RABBIT EDIT RABBIT EDIT

    WTF? Did you snap a synapse on that one? Explain.

  91. Oh, I get it. Her hair didn’t look like Janet Reno’s.

    No, it wasn’t appearance, it was mannerisms. I specifically mentioned that wrist-twist-hand-wave that she does which is seen in only one other venue … beauty pageants. And I’m sorry Rabbit but if you think Carrie Prejean (the failed Miss California) is the brightest bulb in the room then we’re really on different wavelengths. Sarah impressed me as a Prejean type and when she opened her mouth it was “bingo!”

    It really defies all logic why you guys get so defensive over Sarah.

  92. Yes, you linked to the Letterman joke. And then the half ass sarcastic apology. I don’t remember if you actually blogged about it, to be fair. I think you may have. But, alas, it’s bed time.

    Rabbit note: I don’t use the word “alas” in real life.

    The Rabbit edit was something I want to say, but feel it crosses the line. But, i strangely want you to know that I am thinking of saying something that crosses the line. Ignore it. I was being stupid.

  93. Even sesnico thinks your posting about Palin is beyond crusty.

    I’m done talking about her with you unless something news worthy makes it pertinent. I don’t give a damn how much your wife hates her. It’s boring. We rehash the same shit everytime.

    You can’t believe how stupid she is.

    I can’t believe the free pass you give to others.

    You make fun of her family, the way she looks.

    I can’t believe the free pass other political families get by you.

    Boring.

  94. I can understand the argument against Obama’s pastor…

    Actually you’re too kind here Sensico. Obama’s pastor was not the first thing that came out of the chute when we all “met” Obama. By the time Obama’s pastor was put in in a continuous loop on TV, we had already seen an articulate man show some incredible promise. The same cannot be said of our first impression of Sarah Palin. When asked about her thoughts on the Bush doctrine, the reply was:

    “In what respect, Charlie?”

    That was the first time we saw her demonstrate her keen intellect on world affairs. Then a bunch of conservative guys followed the instincts of Rich Lowry and signed up to vote with their penises.

  95. There are a million dumb ass politicans. You think she is the dumbest becuase she’s not from the city and a good looking woman. That, coupled with what her family went through by your friends in the media, and the whole topic sicken me.

    Why the fuck I am talking about her right now is mind blowingly bizarre.

    What’s the next, Kathryn Harris rips?

  96. You sell Elric short like you do Palin. He must really give you a case of the raw ass to blather on so about our relationship. And of course, that makes Elric excellent in my book.

    Just because Elric has found a home where the blog owner tolerates him and let’s him “express” himself, doesn’t change the fact that by most folk’s estimation he is a blog troll and link dropper, the very kind of dude whom you would have dismissed in your sharper days. That I suppose is what frustrates me. Contrast this with DR, who at least is on record for giving Elric an ass whupping when he felt it appropriate. You ignore Elric’s more preposterous stuff (like Obama is not black), which in my book is tacit agreement and jump on the bandwagon otherwise.

    The great thing though Tex is that time has taught me you are a ticking time bomb. Because Elric just can’t help himself, he will one day say something that will set you off. And I will sit back and laugh my ass off.

    P.S. Yes you are right, Elric certainly did not teach you to hate Obama, You were among the first. 😉

  97. “we had already seen an articulate man show some incredible promise.”R

    and what “promise” did he show us? that he showed promise at being incredibly articulate?

    is that the greatest measure of a man?

    if so, what are your views on sensico, someone who clearly struggles in this arena. you must have alot more twinkie jokes in the waiting.

  98. The Rabbit edit was something I want to say, but feel it crosses the line. But, i strangely want you to know that I am thinking of saying something that crosses the line.

    You know, I think that’s a highly effective approach. Now I can simply imagine whatever abuse you were going to toss out, but we can both keep our dignity in tact. A win-win if you ask me. 😀

  99. Tex, on the topic of folks you’ve slaughtered here and in the Chamber, did it occur to you that some folks would rather argue sans insults and ad hominem attacks, and aren’t necessarily intimidated by the intellectual power of your argument? You’ve got statistics on your side. You know that only about 10% of the population can withstand your assault and come back to fight another day.

    I wish the number were higher cos it does get pretty lonely in here sometimes. That’s why I enjoy the occasional visits of Sensico and Curator. I’m hoping that some of the new arrivals, Hippie Prof and Marbles stick around.

  100. Who cares what they’re intimidated by – there is little of interest or curiosity here to make me think. Post something worthwhile, get a higher caliber debater besides some knuckleheaded parrot like Marbles or Wally, and I’ll debate. HippieProf was better and I debated with him, did I not?

    Hammering them into the ground is good enough. 😉

  101. wtf?! Show me some evidence proving Tex scared away some people because his argument was “intellectually powerful” 😆

    Maybe people don’t have all F-ing day to go around in circles arguing someone with a nonsense argument whose an Elric follower.

    Don’t boost Tex’s ego just because he creates long comments cause in the end, it’s the same tired argument.

    And I agree, so sick of arguing over Sarah palin. She’s old news and I can’t wait til the day she becomes extremely irrelevant that we didn’t even know she checked into rehab.

  102. R, I don’t know why you keep trying to get Tex to stand up against Elric. According to Elric’s comments #103 it’s already established that Elric think Tex is smart for following him. The love fest has started, and you can’t break the computer love that god built.

  103. What a pissing match this all is.

    This blog seems to attract some particularly incorrigible trolls. It’s a shame.

    Tex and Elric, your conduct gives no one any reason to take what you say seriously. You’re more interested in perpetuating the politics-as-football mindset than in actually talking about anything real.

    It’s perfectly possible, believe it or not, to debate someone without pretending to misunderstand everything they say.

    Gratuitous spite is also not mandatory, in case you didn’t get that memo.

    But in any case, you guys make it too exhausting to even bother. I don’t how Rutherford can stand it.

  104. Oh. There it is. With #129, all was said that needs to be said. Right there.

    Tex, you’re a bully. Plain and simple. You are a bully.

    There’s little of interest to make you think. Yep. Nothing to make you think around here. Yet you stick around. Why? Because you enjoy bullying people.

    Only other bullies consider this a worthy motive.
    Luckily, there are quite a lot of you in the world. So you’ll never have any shortage of approval, at least.

  105. Marbles,

    I figured you out after your first post. You’ve only got one problem. You’re stupid.

    But you will never be the most stupid on the RL blog. Densico has you beat by a parsec.

    But she stands on “principal”. Right Dense? 😉

  106. SIgh. Stupid. Such an easy word to throw around.

    Notice that I’m not calling YOU stupid. Because I don’t believe you are stupid. Wrongheaded, bullying, and proudly narrowminded, but not stupid.

    I have MET stupid. And no one here is it.

  107. Tex, you’re a bully.

    LOL Well Marbles you are right that Tex is a bully. But … behind the bluster and insults is someone who I think really cares about stuff and can, when he’s in the right mood, present a reasonable argument.

    That’s the trick with this blog. You know the eternal optimist who keeps shoveling through the pile of manure looking for that pony? Well when you stick around long enough you get an incredibly put together treatise by Dead Rabbit (I’ve even suggested he get his own blog), or a carefully considered attack on liberalism with supporting links by Tex, or the rare purely good humor of Elric. I’m leaving out several others who round things out. I agree with these folks 1% of the time but every now and then I do admire their presentation.

    Finding that pony takes patience but I am a patient man. If you go back and read some prior threads, you’ll see debates on evolution, war. religion, abortion. Sometimes enlightening.

    Anyway, to finish where I started .. Tex is a bully but if he doesn’t smell the blood in the water, he has to resort to actually presenting an idea. So don’t let him see you bleed! 🙂

  108. But she stands on “principal”. Right Dense? 😉

    LOL Tex, your jumping on a minor spelling error of Sensico is almost as bad as Red Pill denying that a 48/47 split is essentially the same as 50/50 from a statistical POV. Truly some of the stuff you throw in her face is just plain pathetic.

  109. Before I go to bed …. a quick personal aside … today began with my sister giving birth to her second child (and second son). Son, Mommy and Daddy are fine and I am an Uncle once more!

    See y’all on Columbus Day!

  110. Rutherford:
    Congratulations.

    By the way:

    “Finding that pony takes patience but I am a patient man.”

    I figured it out. Your real name isn’t Rutherford Lawson.

    It’s Job.

  111. “LOL Tex, your jumping on a minor spelling error of Sensico is almost as bad as Red Pill denying that a 48/47 split is essentially the same as 50/50 from a statistical POV.”

    Hey wait just a minute.

    Aren’t you the guy who wants to use literal wording to argue that health care is a right?

    You make arguements based on literal wording, and then fault me for not accepting someone’s “essential” meaning?

    That is just plain hypocritical, dude.

  112. Marbles,

    With all due respect, guys/gals like you bore me. There is no argument because you present your opinion as fact. There’s at least 10MM of you on the net at this minute who sound just like you.

    If you don’t recognize that Maxine Waters and Nancy Pelosi are both incompetent and dangerous, I don’t want to waste your time or my time “debating” because I wouldn’t even find you lucid.

  113. It’s perfectly possible, believe it or not, to debate someone without pretending to misunderstand everything they say.

    haha, looks like Marbles knows Tex and Elric to the “T”

    Finding that pony takes patience but I am a patient man. If you go back and read some prior threads, you’ll see debates on evolution, war. religion, abortion. Sometimes enlightening.

    It’s a rarity and Tex’s argument in those debates hardly stake up.

    “That is just plain hypocritical, dude.” – pill

    get over it, the more you remind us of your statistical ignorance, the more you look stupid.

    If you don’t recognize that Maxine Waters and Nancy Pelosi are both incompetent and dangerous

    – tex

    Whoops, looks like Tex is part of the 10M who present your opinion as fact. He must have learned that in “How to be good Elric-cult follower” class, along with the millions of conservatives that spout of their opinion as fact.

  114. Densico,

    Did you know that you may be the dumbest person I’ve ever “met” on the net? You’re like the equivalent of a Maxine Waters blog poster – overrated and irrelevant. We enjoy pulling your chain ever now and then, but we all know you’re a flunky. You ain’t fooling anybody.

    And I’ll bet even dogs don’t like you, which explains why you’ve got so much time to kill.

  115. Obamateurism of the Day
    posted at 8:05 am on October 12, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    This one’s rather minor, as Obamateurisms go, but we can file it under “How many times would CNN have played this if it was a Republican President?” Veteran OOTD readers will recall that this is the reason why we started it in the first place. Barack Obama peers through a telescope at an astronomy demonstration and transforms into Captain Obvious:

    “That’s pretty far away.”

    Which is true of just about everything one sees through a telescope, of course, and of everything in the sky except fog.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/12/obamateurism-of-the-day-136/

    LOL

  116. Top Twenty Things Obama Doesn’t Say
    By Jill S. Sprik

    Despite countless speeches and news conferences, did you ever hear President Obama express the following ideas?

    1. Not everything is a federal issue; some things are for the states to decide.

    2. I hear what you’re saying and you have a good point.

    3. One of the beautiful things about our constitution is the liberty given to individuals to pursue their dreams. There is great opportunity in our country to succeed.

    4. In an effort to stimulate job growth and despite the objections from my party, I am working with Congress to reduce taxes for small businesses.

    5. I am saddened by the cycle of poverty that exists in our major cities, and here is a way we can empower the next generation to break the cycle and fulfill their God-given potential….

    6. The folks at the town hall meetings and those who came to Washington on 9/12 were exercising one of the greatest rights we have as Americans, freedom of speech.

    7. Stop already with all forms of ‘cult of personality’ behavior. I am a public servant, just like all those who have served before and all who will come after my term is complete. It’s not about me, it’s about the country.

    8. I heard a great message Sunday morning at church.

    9. History teaches us that evil exists in the world; for this reason the United States must remain strong, ready to defend itself and its allies.

    10. I didn’t realize a communist was part of my administration. It won’t happen again.

    11. The billions siphoned out of health care into lawyers’ pockets never healed a single person.

    12. No other country on earth offers its citizens the opportunity to pursue life, liberty, and happiness as does the United States of America.

    13. The experts have looked at the proposed (fill-in-the-blank) program, and when it is extrapolated out beyond just the initial offering there is clear evidence it will cost too much money and will eventually fail.

    14. I disagree 100% with the Cloward-Piven strategy of increasing the welfare rolls and overwhelming the financial system, and I am not affiliated in any way with the implementation of such an idea.

    15. I don’t know the answer to your question but I will give it some thought.

    16. The goal of my presidency is not to implement a political ideology, but to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.

    17. Every person has value regardless of age, gender, color, physical characteristics, or any other factor.

    18. Any healthcare bill I sign must include a provision to exclude the rationing of care, keep the door open for competition among insurers, and promote the opportunity for our young people to pursue an education in the medical fields to ensure future supply meets future demand.

    19. It is important for legislators to remember that what helps someone in the short-term may actually hurt them in the long-term, and we must avoid this kind of scenario.

    20. It has become clear to me after meeting with military experts that their recommendations should be implemented in our current situation; this is not an area in which politics can be allowed to interfere.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/top_twenty_things_obama_doesnt_1.html

  117. Elric,

    Densico is so worthless, I want her to attempt to be nasty. That way, I don’t feel so much guilt when I bounce another rock off her head.

  118. Taking the National Debt Seriously
    In 2009 about 40% of income taxes will go towards debt interest payments.

    By LAWRENCE KADISH

    If you think those town hall meetings over health care were fierce, wait until Americans come to understand the threat to our national financial survival posed by the interest on the government’s credit card.

    When the government spends more than its revenue, there is a budget deficit. These deficits are paid for by Washington selling interest bearing Treasury securities. If the government were ever to default on its promise to pay periodic interest payments or to repay the debt at maturity, the United States economy would plunge into a level of chaos that would make the Lehman bankruptcy look like a nonevent.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704429304574467071019099570.html?mod=rss_opinion_main

    And this is before ThuggyCare and Cap and Trade.

  119. Jihad attack on army barracks in Italy — one soldier injured

    Welcome to the New Europe. “Italy: Attempted terror attack against army barracks injures soldier,” from AKI, October 12 (thanks to C. Cantoni):

    Milan, 12 October (AKI) – An Italian soldier was injured on Monday after a Libyan man exploded a bomb hidden inside a toolbox at the entrance of the ‘Santa Barbara’ military barracks in the northern Italian city of Milan.

    The 35 year-old Libyan tried to enter to enter the barracks at the same time a military vehicle was entering the gate. However, his car was stopped by a military guard.

    The man then detonated a bomb. Some reports said he shouted: “The army must leave Afghanistan!”

    The toolbox where the man hid the explosive device contained two more kilogrammes of explosives, and according to reports, it only partially detonated.

    The injured Italian soldier was hit by ricochet splinters and received medical treatment on-site. The attack took place at 7:45am local time. Following the attack, the Libyan was taken to the Fatebenefratelli hospital in Milan where he is in critical condition.

    The Libyan man suffered severe injuries to his face and eyesight and his hand has been amputated, according to medical sources at Fatebenefratelli hospital….

    The man has been living in Italy for many years and lives with an Italian woman with whom he has three children, sources said….

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/jihad-attack-on-army-barracks-in-italy—-one-soldier-injured.html

    The ugly side of multiculturalism. Why would a Libyan thats lived in Italy for many years care about Italian soldiers in Afghanistan and even willing to kill and die for it? Care to explain that drones?

  120. “get over it, the more you remind us of your statistical ignorance, the more you look stupid.”

    Get over hypocricy? Yeah, I can see where your kind would prefer that.

    The fact is that your dumb ass first claimed a majority felt a certain way. And then when your own stats couldn’t support that claim, you tired to backtrack to this “essential” split crap.

    And the facts were that it was technically neither a majority OR an even split.

    You were proven wrong.

    If you want to try and justify your utter bullshit with excuses of margin of error, be my guest. But you and your little internet boyfriend here are the only ones buying any of it.

  121. are you serious? Sure I said majority because I also think that when the majority says its better to provide healthcare to the uninsured regardless of cost, I think that’s a moral argument.

    you need to get over the fact that you were being petty. Obviously you’re bored and don’t have shit else to do when you’re happy over a 48/47 split. Think of a better argument and I’ll get back to you after class. Unlike you I have more important things to pontificate about.

  122. California budget goes 10 whole weeks before collapsing
    posted at 10:12 am on October 12, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

    Over the summer, the most populous state in the US struggled to keep itself from financial collapse after a $26 billion hole opened in California’s budget. Instead of taking the painful but necessary step of steep cuts in spending in order to deal with the shortfall, the legislature cut only as far as their political allies would allow, and then relied on funding gimmicks and budget sleight-of-hand to paper over the rest of the shortfall. To the surprise of no one outside of Sacramento, it has only taken ten weeks for California to flop back into the red:

    How did California overestimate its tax revenues for the coming year? Part of the answer is political. By overestimating income tax revenues, the legislature allowed itself to avoid further budget cuts, or for that matter, tax increases. The latter would have brought California’s overburdened taxpayers to the capital with pitchforks, torches, tar, and feathers, and the legislators know it.

    California also has a structural problem in its tax system. It has grown so progressive that it relies much too heavily on investors, which makes tax revenue streams very unreliable and difficult to predict, as the Sacramento Bee’s Dan Walters writes:

    This is something to watch on the federal level as well. Under Barack Obama’s policies, less than half of all Americans will pay federal income tax, making us increasingly reliant on the wealthy, whose income varies greatly from year to year depending on their investment choices and their success. As the actual tax base gets narrower and narrower, the volatility of income-tax revenues increase — on top of the dampening effect that punishing capital investment creates, as we have also seen in California.

    The solution? A flat-tax system would create a far more stable tax base, especially as it would tend to encourage rather than discourage investment. Schwarzenegger put together a panel to look at tax volatility and came up with a two-tiered tax system that would shift more of the burden to the middle class, which will probably be a non-starter politically. A flat tax would be politically cleaner as well as easier to administer.

    Of course, the big problem in California isn’t taxation, but spending. The state has to go back to the drawing board a mere ten weeks after falsely claiming to have solved the budget crisis. Will they finally learn the lesson?

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/12/california-budget-goes-10-whole-weeks-before-collapsing/

    Thuggy’s blueprint for America

  123. Massachusetts goes for rationing?
    posted at 12:15 pm on October 12, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    The Massachusetts adventure in health-care reform will take an entirely predictable turn in the near future, say providers within the network. The state panel intends to dictate a narrower network of providers for some insurance plans, which providers insist will result in a reduction of services to patients in hospitals and clinics. Massachusetts wants its citizens to choose second-tier hospitals and clinics to save costs, and plans to eliminate choice as a means to that end (via Instapundit):

    Remember this every time Barack Obama and Democrats insist that we can keep our doctors and our hospitals if we like them, or that ObamaCare will not limit patient choice. The end result of state intervention and price fixing is always higher costs, followed by rationing. Insurance companies at least have competitive pressures keeping them efficient, but when prices get fixed by the state, that efficiency goes out the window. As costs escalate, the state intervenes in other ways to keep subsidies from skyrocketing, and this is the inevitable result.

    The other option is to cut payments to the premier hospitals, which will force them to take fewer patients. The result of that approach will be very easy to predict. The best hospitals will take primarily those patients who can afford to pay their premium prices, leaving the poor and middle-class patients to get treated elsewhere. It will stratify health care much more than before Massachusetts enacted its “reforms”, giving the rich almost exclusive access to the best care. And thanks to lousy compensation rates, fewer new providers will be around to meet the new demand in second-tier care, meaning much longer wait times for the poor and middle-class patients.

    This is a microcosm of what we can expect on a national basis if ObamaCare gets enacted. Will the media start reporting this in that context?

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/12/massachusetts-goes-for-rationing/

    Thuggy’s blueprint for America

  124. Speaking of Reverend Wright and hypocrisy.

    What is the difference between Reverend Wright and the Church of God Choir?

    Read this anti-American rendition of “God Bless Bless America” at the opening ceremony of the conservative 2009 Value Voter Summit.

    Why should God bless America?
    She’s forgotten he exists
    And has turned her back
    On everything that made her what she is

    Why should God stand beside her
    Through the night with the light from his hand?
    God have mercy on America
    Forgive her sin and heal our land

    The courts ruled prayer out of our schools
    In June of ‘62
    Told the children “you are your own God now
    So you can make the rules”
    O say can you see what that choice
    Has cost us to this day
    America, one nation under God, has gone astray

    Why should God bless America?
    Shes’s forgotten he exists
    And has turned her back on everything
    That made her what she is

    Why should God stand beside her
    Through the night with the light from his hand?
    God have mercy on America
    Forgive her sins and heal our land

    In ‘73 the Courts said we
    Could take the unborn lives
    The choice is yours don’t worry now
    It’s not a wrong, it’s your right

    But just because they made it law
    Does not change God’s command
    The most that we can hope for is
    God’s mercy on our land

    Why should God bless America?
    She’s forgotten he exists
    And has turned her back on everything
    That made her what she is

    Why should God stand beside her
    Through the night with the light from his hand?
    God have mercy on America
    Forgive her sins and heal our land

    Isn’t one of the principles that define this country protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution which protects the right of every American to worship or not as they choose? It’s not often that Americans get an unambiguous look at the Religious Right’s extremely dangerous definition of religious liberty.

    Wingnuts shrieked in phony pain for months over “God damn America” but they endorse this sanctimonious CRAP?

  125. oh please, sorry tex but the name calling isn’t going to scare me away like you’d probably hope. I for one think you’re proving my point.

    Scare you away? When I’ve got my own worn out, personal bean bag to punch when necessary and sings like a bird while I smack them around? Dense, you’d be the last person I would scare away as your posts are all the humor I need to get me thru the day.

    Why don’t you give us some more of your worldly life lessons in economics, school, or raising children? That’s better than late night TV. 😛

  126. What is the difference between Reverend Wright and the Church of God Choir?

    Well, for starters the Rev Jerry’s breaking of the 3rd Commandment and the fact the choirs lyrics paraphrase exactly what God said in Isaiah He would do

    I thought you were the “Bible” expert Wally?

  127. It’s not often that Americans get an unambiguous look at the Religious Right’s extremely dangerous definition of religious liberty.

    😆 😆 😆

    Wally,

    Please! The hyperbole is overwhelming. Does this mention race any place? Does it mention anyone by name? Have you been persecuted for your “lack” of faith recently Wally? Have you been shot down, beat down, or prevented by any member of the Religious Right from doing anything?

    Now remember, be specific in your answer(s). Or are you just miffed they ain’t along for your pagan ride and you don’t like hearing the truth?

  128. If you don’t recognize that Maxine Waters and Nancy Pelosi are both incompetent and dangerous …

    Tex, you’ve missed the point. Marbles actually didn’t address competence and “danger”. He said they have depth, something which he said Palin lacks.

    You’re trying to play poker when Marbles is playing ping-pong.

  129. Whats your thoughts on the Thuggy Doctrine?

    Hey Elric, I think Ralph Peters of the NY Post is really Tex Taylor. It sounded just like all of Tex’s talking points!

  130. After learning President Clinton was being orally gratified while on the phone to a congressman and talking about the merits of sending U.S. ground troops into Boznia (without a U.N. coalition or act of Congress) and seeing him impeached as a consequence of lying while under oath it would appear we should still be bashing him over his behavior. The Dems have no moral legs to stand on after they continued supporting him in the face of the evidence yet they believe they have some kind of moral bone to chew with Sarah Palin.

    Meanwhile we have political hack jobs like Nanny Pie-hole-cy who are allowed to run among civilians without a leash. Then there is Barney Frank who supported policies which brought us the GSE meltdown and is culpable for pulling off the crime of the century.

    What a stinking pile of hypocrisy. Come to think of it, a steaming pile of dog hooey is more pleasant to look at than the behavior of these 3 goons.

  131. Rutherford,

    Tex, you’ve missed the point. Marbles actually didn’t address competence and “danger”. He said they have depth, something which he said Palin lacks.

    Now sometimes the “microscopic shallowness” of the leftist mind throws me, but I think you just said that Maxine “tribalize” Waters and Nancy Pelosi are deeply incompetent?

    Well, I can’t argue with your point Rutherford. 🙄

  132. 17. Every person has value regardless of age, gender, color, physical characteristics, or any other factor.

    Quote taken from Elric’s top 20 stupid list. Elric … Obama HAS said number 17. Your problem is he includes Muslims in the “every person” group. 😉

  133. Wingnuts shrieked in phony pain for months over “God damn America” but they endorse this sanctimonious CRAP?

    Probably the same bunch that sat silent after Jerry Falwell told us that God flew planes into buildings to avenge our tolerance of homosexuality. You just gotta love it.

  134. It illustrates just how easily “God-fearin'” religious dolts who do more “believing” than “thinking” can be used, and abused, by the more savvy.

    It PERFECTLY illustrates Jefferson’s comment:

    “History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.” –Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, 1813.

  135. But you and your little internet boyfriend here are the only ones buying any of it.

    Hey dude, I’m a married man on and off the Internet … not to mention old enough to be Sensico’s daddy.

    Actually I think there is a difference between my interpreting the words of Jefferson and you just plain nit-picking. But, it’s hardly worth continued debate. If you want to consider a 48/47 majority a victory over Sensico, be my guest.

  136. “Hey Elric, I think Ralph Peters of the NY Post is really Tex Taylor. It sounded just like all of Tex’s talking points!”

    You didnt answer. You too stupid to know what the “Thuggy Doctrine” is?

    “Quote taken from Elric’s top 20 stupid list. Elric … Obama HAS said number 17. Your problem is he includes Muslims in the “every person” group.”

    Is that why he staryed in a racist church for 20 years and hired racist czars? I guess you agreed that he hasnt mentioned the other 19 since you didnt dispute it.

    “LOL you are too funny, When have you ever engaged in civil debate?”

    With people that dont dodge question after question. Like I said, no sense having civil discourse with moronic drones such as yourself.

  137. Regarding 156, you’re asking me to justify this dude blowing himself up and injuring an Italian soldier? Not gonna do it. There is no justification.

    If you think, Elric, that posting link after link of radical Muslim violence is going to make me defend radical Islam, you’re wrong. I don’t like religious nuts who try to blow up barracks any more than I like religious nuts who kill abortion doctors. When God/Allah tells you to go kill someone, you’re listening to God on the wrong frequency.

  138. Wally,

    Exactly how much “thinking” was required for all those certifications you hold so dear? That is material straight out of community school boy. 🙄

    But like Densico, I don’t want you to leave. Shooting at one lame duck would be no fun.

  139. Exactly how much “thinking” was required for all those certifications you hold so dear?

    Completely irrelevant comment. Please address the difference between God Damn America and God Have Mercy on this Sinful America. Looks to me like the 2009 Value Voter Summit is just addressing a different set of perceived sins from those addressed by Rev. Wright. And God does have a simple choice right? Either have mercy on us or damn us. According to Rev. Falwell, He damned us and sent passenger planes into buildings.

    Wanna address Wright-hate vs Falwell-hate or just toss some more insults around? 😉

  140. boy?

    Careful about using that word. We all know you “God-fearing’”, “Law-abiding” Conservatives get all weak kneed around boys (ala Larry Craig & Mark Foley). You want to drop to your knees and blow them up to be men.

  141. If I read Jefferson’s quote correctly, it says that for all of religion’s value, it resides in the same place as man’s most ignorant traits such as superstition and paranoia. A government influenced by religious leaders will take advantage of people’s most primitive impulses, those that lie in their fear, superstition and paranoia centers. These savvy snake oil salesmen (whether it be Wright or Falwell) will move people by exploiting their fears, superstitions and paranoia.

  142. LMAO, this thread is getting crazy, conservatives on their knees and shit, write a new post Rutherford. As long as it doesn’t include sarah palin and it always leads to the guilt by association game.

    I hardly have time to blog, so I’ll just make suggestions to you 🙂
    The news about the insurance industry is blog worthy, wont cover fat ass babies or pregnant women, promise to hike rates under health reform (which would just push more ppl to go to the public option which is something I thought insurance companies didn’t want) 😆 the more insurance company execs start throwing temper tantrums because of health reform then more it helps make the case that health care reform is needed.

    Ooooo and what’s this!
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/123629/Obama-Job-Approval-56-After-Nobel-Win.aspx?CSTS=tagrss

    then theres a company that wanted to advertise about free guns on the same station that Limbaugh mouths off on. The channel decided not to run the ad. Good call on their part, cause we know how paranoid conservatives are.

    What about the “anonymous” obama adviser that called internet gay rights advocates “fringe left”.

  143. “I don’t like religious nuts who try to blow up barracks any more than I like religious nuts who kill abortion doctors.”

    Hmmm one set of “religious” nuts kill on a daily basis and the other happens once in a blue moon, why such a difference Dodger?

    “Regarding 156, you’re asking me to justify this dude blowing himself up and injuring an Italian soldier? Not gonna do it. There is no justification.”

    I wasnt asking you to justify it. I asked why would a Libyan who lived in Italy for years and even raised a family would feel compelled to kill and blow himself up over solders from his adopted homeland are fighting jihadists in Afghanistan. Why is that Dodger?

  144. “Wanna address Wright-hate vs Falwell-hate or just toss some more insults around?”

    Thuggy sat in the pews listen to Wright’s anti American/anti-white/anti-semetic sermons for 20 years. Why you are bringing Fallwell into it is pretty sad since its grasping at straws to justify Thuggy’s actions.

  145. Here is a worthy topic.

    The premiums on my government run, socialist health care are less then $500 A YEAR. You read that right. Per YEAR. I think the exact amount was $471. Granted these are premiums not copays. I don’t know how much the copays will be since my wife is not yet retired.

    Last month the government awarded Aetna, United Healthcare, and Blue Cross and Blue Shield over $55 Billion for 5 years of paying TRICARE claims. If it only costs $11 Billion to cover 7 Million tricare subscribers/year, would that mean it would cost ~ $471 Billion to cover the entire US?

    55B divided by 5 (the length of the contracts in years) and you get $11B per year. Next, divide 300,000,000 (U.S. population) by 7,000,000 (members covered by TRICARE) and you find that the total is 42.86. Take 42.86 and multiply it by $11B and you come up with $471,460,000,000 as the cost of covering 300 million people.

    We already spend $511 Billion on Medicare/Medicaid per year alone.

  146. The Withering of Free Speech [Mark Steyn]

    As some readers will know, Ezra Levant and I testified at the House of Commons in Ottawa a few days ago on Canada’s Section 13, the “corrupted and diseased” (my words) legislation that licenses government apparatchiks to police the opinions of the citizenry. You can watch our encounter with Members of Parliament here.

    Why is this relevant to Americans? Because the superficial fluffily benign language of multiculturalism that comes so naturally to our rulers provides a lot of cover for the shriveling of free speech: See, for instance, what the administration and its chums in Cairo (that bastion of liberty) have recently been up to at the disgusting U.N. Human Rights Council. The indefatigable Anne Bayefsky is one of the few journalists even following this story. But I was struck by something Dennis Miller said to me on the radio the other day:

    I think if Obama had the chance to put something like Canada’s Human Rights Commissions down here, he’d do it tomorrow.

    As Canadians have discovered, liberty is lost very quietly and quickly. And trying to get it back is slow and painful — particularly at a time when artists, universities, publishers, and others who congratulate themselves incessantly on their truth-telling courage find increasingly pre-emptive self-censorship the better part of valor.

    The Europe of 2020 will have considerably less freedom of expression than today. American exceptionalism is going to have to be exceptionally exceptional to hold out against that trend.

    http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YmE0ZDMxZWNlYTczOTRiYjUxN2I0Y2JhZTA0MWQzYzQ=

    Now thats a worthy topic

  147. Glenn Beck, everyone’s favorite asshole and cult leader thinks 45% of doctors would quite. He said he doesn’t check facts and now throws out some arbitrary number for his cult followers to gnaw at the bit at. I’m assuming R is sleep right now, but this is also another post idea, at least it’s more relevant than Sarah Palin.

  148. ok curator, I had to help someone with this issue in the wordpress forum a while ago so hopefully you wont mind me butting in an giving some advice.

    When people subscribe to your RSS feed, the title of your blog doesn’t appear in their feed, it shows (no title). This is because you did add a title to your blog if I am correct(?) so go to your dashbaord > general settings and enter in a blog title. Of course the blog title will appear on your blog making your header kind of redundant, but you have wordpress.org so you probably cant remove that with CSS changes or you could switch to a different blog theme that allows you to use custom header and make the title dissapear.

    Also, it’s better to use “user” friendly htmls like R’s urls contain the date and post title while yours has the p=16 or whatever.

    These are only suggestions of course…

  149. “Glenn Beck, everyone’s favorite asshole and cult leader”

    No, that would be Thuggy. When you have children singing praise for Beck, then you can talk moron.

  150. Flashback video: Obama tells beloved, not-at-all-corrupt union to “paint the nation purple”
    posted at 6:20 pm on October 12, 2009 by Allahpundit
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    A palate cleanser dedicated to my boss, the biggest SEIU fan of all. Fun stuff, but let’s be fair: This was shot in early 2008, back when he was telling people whatever garbage he had to in order to get them on his side against Hillary. Remember how he was going to end “don’t ask, don’t tell” and win the “necessary war” in Afghanistan and do whatever it takes to stop Iran from getting the bomb? A sloppy kiss for the union thugs he’d eventually be counting on to fill seats at health-care town halls and maybe stomp an occasional conservative or two is a venial sin viewed from that perspective.

    Besides, we’ve all seen the video of him from 2003 blowing smoke about single-payer in front of an AFSCME crowd. Telling unions what they want to hear is just sort of what he does.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/12/flashback-video-obama-tells-beloved-not-at-all-corrupt-union-to-paint-the-nation-purple/

    Now thats an asshole and cult leader for you

  151. The premiums on my government run, socialist health care are less then $500 A YEAR. You read that right. Per YEAR.

    As incentive for your peanut low pay scale – consider it a perk * burden that the taxpayer is paying for – another in a long list of things I believe we should take from you. I’ll work on it starting tonight.

    Probably all those powerful certifications!!! 😮

  152. …consider it a perk * burden that the taxpayer is paying for – another in a long list of things I believe we should take from you.

    So taxpayers should no longer be burden with funding military retirement or health care that the service men and woman earned?

    So much for the all volunteer army in Tex Taylor’s world.

    Would you rather have involuntary servitude? Maybe you could orchestrate it so that only liberals fight America’s wars.

  153. Would you rather have involuntary servitude? Maybe you could orchestrate it so that only liberals fight America’s wars.

    Wally the Warrior,

    If I thought liberals could fight and defend, that would be a dream come true. It would be the only time I would be rooting for America to get its ass kicked. Just like the French, nothing more weaselly that an American lib faced with real danger. As it is, we leave it to overwhelmingly Conservative men and women to fight our wars.

    And since I think you are an incompetent asshole, that will be #2 on my list of things we taxpayers should remove from your plans – any military pension or perks you may have obtained. 😛

    How about those apples Warrior?

  154. The military, although, generally made up of a conservative thinking majority, is also highly represented by liberal thinkers as well. So I take it you think those 40-plus-or-minus percent of our brave men and women in the military are “phony Soldiers”?

    Why on earth would any American root for America to “get it’s ass kicked”? Pastor Tex are you now wishing for the death of liberal American soldiers?

  155. I wonder if you rejoiced at the news of 2 out of the seven “liberal” soldiers who wrote the Op-ed “The War As We Saw It,” in the New York Times back in August of 2007. Sgt. Omar Mora and Sgt. Yance T. Gray died in Baghdad the very next month. One of the other five authors of the Times piece, Staff Sergeant Jeremy Murphy, an Army Ranger and reconnaissance team leader, was shot in the head while the article was being written. They were at the tail-end of their deployments. Both Mora and Gray left behind wives and infant daughters.

    Did the news give you a warm fuzzy? Did it give you a hard on having these liberal “phony Soldiers” getting their “ass kicked”?

  156. Man, every day I drive north on the highway to work. The only thing that gets me off that exit is my family.

    Once you spend time way up in some true north country fare, you become addicted to it. It’s like everybody’s is a ghost.

    There will be a day when I retire as far north as I possibly can.

  157. Glenn Beck Goes After White House For Criticizing FOX News

    Hilarious. Well not that Thuggy is using tax dollars to go after Fox News. Thats just pathetic.

  158. Netanyahu’s Fired Up: Says No Israeli Will Ever Stand Trial For UN’s Bogus “War Crimes” Charges…

    JERUSALEM –Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday vowed never to allow Israeli leaders or soldiers to stand trial on war crimes charges over their actions during last winter’s military offensive in the Gaza Strip, furiously denouncing a U.N. report in a keynote address to parliament.

    Netanyahu’s fiery rhetoric — and his decision to open the high-profile speech with remarks on the report — reflected the deep distress felt among Israeli leaders after a U.N. commission accused Israel of intentionally harming civilians when it launched a massive attack in Gaza to stop years of rocket fire.

    “This distorted report, written by this distorted committee, undermines Israel’s right to defend itself. This report encourages terrorism and threatens peace,” Netanyahu said in his address at the opening of parliament’s winter session. “Israel will not take risks for peace if it can’t defend itself.”

    The U.N. report, compiled by a team led by former war crimes prosecutor Richard Goldstone, accused both Israel and Hamas of war crimes and possible crimes against humanity. It specifically accused Israel of using disproportionate force, deliberately targeting civilians and destroying civilian infrastructure, and using people as human shields. It accused Hamas of deliberately targeting civilians and trying to spread terror through its rocket attacks.

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/10/netanyahus-fired-up-no-israeli-will-ever-stand-trial-for-uns-bogus-war-crimes-charges.html

    Now if it was Thuggy, he would say “How soon do you want them?”

  159. Wally,

    There is no way in hell our military is 40% liberal, being approximately 20% of America would call itself a “liberal” and at best your ilk are under represented concerning the military population. You’re not a huge fan of Code Pink, Rev. Ebenezer, pious pacifists, communes, and Woodstock for nothing there Rambo.

    I would guess at best 1 in 7 would be of your socialistic philosophy, incapable of self-support and living off the gov’t dole. Another in a long list of bald-faced lies you parrot here.

    As far as “rooting” for soldiers to get killed? Nary a one do I root for to get killed – even you. Though I must admit that I don’t get too bent when somebody like you or George Tiller departs for the lake of fire. 😉

  160. Elric,

    I actually have gotten to like Beck better than anybody at FOX. The fact that he continues to nail the Dims corruption for viewing, has them wagging their tongues about Faux News and bullying, and has MaO bama refusing to mention them by name says all you need to know about Beck’s effectiveness. The more you’re hated by the libs, the better the person you are is my creed.

    I hope that Beck continues to give Bomba peptic ulcers while exposing our feckless Pres. as a scumbag, liar and narcissist extraordinaire. 🙂

  161. Tex,

    I only get to watch the clips but he is dead on. He really drives the drones mad. They never can counter what he says, just call him names. His radio show is great as well. Also just bought his book along with Spencer’s. Let you know how they both are.

  162. Elric,

    Beck has a gift that few libs possess in the national media. He’s entertaining and funny. There is no bigger bore than somebody like Curator, who believing himself wise, has become the fool – one who is completely obsessed with national politic to the point is has become his life.

    Can you imagine going home to your spouse and discussing lefty political philosophy while dissecting the traits of Sarah Palin every evening? You can literally sense the emptiness through this casual global dialogue we carry on here.

    Like I’ve said before, if these “drones” didn’t affect my own life and the lives of my children, I wouldn’t give thought. But being they vote, I would rather dream of ways to be separated from them.

    I don’t consider people like Curator an ally or even a fellow countryman. I’m not sure what more I can say to the lout for him to realize I believe him an enemy of my state. I’d as soon buddy up with Abdul the suicide bomber, whom I have more respect. At least Abdul is honest in his intentions.

  163. Tex,

    I agree on Beck being entertaining and funny. Much better than Hannity even if I agree with him. Cant really listen to him for any length of time. Beck keeps you on your toes and he really does his research.

    God, I couldnt imagine discussing lefty politics with my spouse. I couldnt take it. How Matilin can do that with Carville is beyond me.

    And yes they are the enemy. Much more so than the islamist for they are honest in their intentions even if the drones dont believe they are honest. I guess since the drones arent honest with themselves I guess they cant comprehend others can be honest. Truly pathetic.

  164. After learning President Clinton was being orally gratified …

    Ben I know you’re not gonna wanna hear this but one of the biggest wastes of Congressional time was the impeachment of Bill Clinton. Ken Starr couldn’t get anything to stick so he resorted to getting the Pres impeached for a blow job. It was a ridiculous circus and to conservative’s considerable chagrin, slick Willie survived his presidency and is now doing significant humanitarian work.

    Look, he pissed me off during the campaign last year, but I’m not gonna defend his being impeached for getting blown.

  165. Elric,

    We need to be careful. We’ll be accused of being homosexual lovers by the young female blockhead. Every time I address you and it’s not sending a bomb your way, Big “R” also blows his fro.

    Yesterday I was Ralph Peters – who I generally agree with but he wrote one article concerning Islam a couple of years ago where I thought Ralph had actually lost his mind.

    Tomorrow, who knows who I’ll be???

  166. Tex,

    Thats what I meant by they are using Alinsky tactics. They cant debate so they have to degrade and humiliate the target.

    Who is Ralph Peters and what did he say about islam?

  167. American exceptionalism is going to have to be exceptionally exceptional to hold out against that trend.

    I heard an interesting quote from Liz Cheney today (someone whom I dislike even more than Sarah Palin). She said something along the lines of the Nobel committee giving Obama the award because he does not think America needs to be a dominant player in world affairs.

    I got a kick out of her word “dominant”. Why must we be dominant? Why can’t we exist as an equal player with other civilized countries? If we must be dominant, over whom are we supposed to dominate?

  168. slick Willie survived his presidency and is now doing significant humanitarian work.

    While getting paid for it…and still dreaming of the vast right wing conspiracy. Clinton has become almost a tragic figure – and while you minimize the impeachment, it is all too apparent having his legacy be Monica has just about put the serial rapist in the grave (literally). Clinton doesn’t minimize it Rutherford – he knows he blew it and was exposed as a general creep (no pun intended).

    A shame, because he’s about a thousand times more clever than MaO Bama.

  169. Sensico …. actually I did have a Glenn Beck article composing in my head when the Nobel “thing” broke. Now that you’ve brought it up, I may go ahead with my Beck idea sometime tomorrow evening.

  170. I’m assuming R is sleep right now

    Are you aware you posted that at 6:54pm EDT? I know I said I was old enough to be your father but damn, I’m not old enough to be your grandpa. 🙂

  171. “Ben I know you’re not gonna wanna hear this but one of the biggest wastes of Congressional time was the impeachment of Bill Clinton.”

    He is the CIC, he should act like one. If he was a superior officer, he would have been Court Marshalled or forced to retire for the same act.

    As for a waste, you know whats a waste? The tax payer money for Thuggy to go after Fox News Especially in such a piss poor economy. But you will dodge these comments because you cant defend either one.

  172. Rutherford, you are naive.

    I got a kick out of her word “dominant”. Why must we be dominant? Why can’t we exist as an equal player with other civilized countries? If we must be dominant, over whom are we supposed to dominate?

    We do dominate and in a good way – or we did before MaO became President. Ask yourself the following:

    (1) Whom does the world look to for leadership?
    (2) Which country is still considered the only “superpower”, though China may be getting there.
    (3) Which currency is the standard bearer (before MaO).
    (4) Which country does the world look to for defense?
    (5) Which country does the world look to in providing humanitarian aid?
    (6) Which country keeps the peace?
    (7) Which country is the beacon of light?

    Want me to go on?

    Did it ever dawn on you Rutherford that dominate can be for good?

    Liz Cheney is at least 1,000,000 times smarter than any lib woman on the planet, by the way. That’s another reason you hate Liz – smart women are threatening to you. So we’ve determined good looking women Conservatives and smart female Conservatives are threatening to boy Rutherford (though he’d give his squirrel right nut to have one).

  173. As it is, we leave it to overwhelmingly Conservative men and women to fight our wars.

    One of my heroes, Lawrence O’Donnell, was subbing for Keith tonight and cut Liz Cheney a new orifice. It was a joy to watch. Liz suggested that Obama should have the widow of a fallen serviceman go to Oslo to accept the Nobel on behalf of the American soldiers who “protect Norway”. “Crazy Larry” as some of his MSNBC associates call him, then pointed out that Norway was instrumental in keeping Germany from developing the atomic bomb, which ultimately “protected” Cheney’s family from ever having to serve in the military. Gotta love it!

  174. Tex,

    Dodger is a marxist, he wants to tear the nation down so we are equals to sorry ass nations. But you know what? Nations like China,Russia and the emerging Caliphate do want to dominate and not in a good way. Lowering ourselves to be like Euro wusses is just what they want.

  175. Though I must admit that I don’t get too bent when somebody like you or George Tiller departs for the lake of fire. 😉

    Give me some idea why, unless you’re joking, that is not simply hate speech?

    BTW, hate to let you in on this, but when Tiller tells the boys at the Pearly Gates that he was a desperate woman’s last choice, he will be welcomed in by a loving God. But that is probably good … when you get up there, you can find him and kick his ass. 🙂

  176. Can you imagine going home to your spouse and discussing lefty political philosophy while dissecting the traits of Sarah Palin every evening? You can literally sense the emptiness through this casual global dialogue we carry on here.

    Oh good lawd!!! If this isn’t proof that love is blind I don’t know what is.

    Tex, have you bothered to look at the frequency of Elric’s comments? I’d estimate, from 7am to about Midnight, 7 days a week, he manages a comment per hour. And you’re asking him about liberals not having a life?

    This just gets funnier and funnier.

    Please, would you two boys just go get a room? LOL 😀 🙂 😀 🙂

  177. well at least you’re not blogging about the AHIP report or middle schooler indoctrination to the Army 😛 Glenn Beck is exhausting anyways. Once you blog about him a couple of times then it’s like, how many times do I have to call him an idiot, kind of like the sarah palin thing.

    I actually don’t know what glenn beck said about the nobel prize and obama but I’m pretty sure it would have been idiotic.

  178. oh and sorry about that reference to your sleeping and age, I forgot you were in my time zone. Trust me, if that was intentional then I would have wrote,

    I’m assuming R is sleep like an old-lazy ass right now

    see, that’s the difference between intentional and unintentional.

  179. Beck keeps you on your toes and he really does his research.

    Oh yes … crackerjack research … like that story about secret messages being carved into the outside walls of Rockefeller Center. LOL

    God, I couldnt imagine discussing lefty politics with my spouse.

    OMG, Elric is married to a liberal? No wonder he unloads here all day … his wife probably tells him he’s a walking fool whenever the topic of politics comes up.

    P.S. As for Carville/Matalin, I think the opposing opinions is actually a major turn on for them.

  180. Who is Ralph Peters and what did he say about islam?

    Oh good googly moogly am I having fun tonight and you’re making it sooooooo easy!!!!

    As usual Elric you don’t read your own links (comment 143 to refresh your memory). Ralph Peters wrote the New York Post article on Obama’s failures that you posted. It was pure Tex Taylor. ROTFLMAO!!!!

  181. “how many times do I have to call him an idiot”

    If he is such an idiot, why dont you point out some examples. If he is such an idiot, there must be numerous examples. Just calling someone an idiot doesnt make it so. Back it up Densico. Show us all that college money isnt going down the drain.

  182. Coptic Family Forced to Surrender Woman Rescued in Egypt

    With extortion and violence, authorities pressure father to return daughter to Muslim husband.

    ISTANBUL, October 9 (CDN) — State Security Investigations (SSI) forces in Egypt arrested, abused and then extorted money from a Coptic Christian for rescuing his daughter from her Muslim husband, who was holding her against her will in Alexandria, according to sources in Egypt.

    Security forces also arrested 10 people in Alexandria and tortured them in an attempt to find those involved in the rescue. Authorities are preparing to make a new wave of arrests, the sources said.

    http://www.compassdirect.org/english/country/egypt/10464/

    Same country Thuggy joined with to suppress free speech

  183. Somali Rebels Carry Out Amputations on Robbery Suspects
    By VOA News
    10 October 2009

    Somalia’s hardline Islamist group, al-Shabab, has publicly cut off hands and feet of three suspected robbers in the southern port city of Kismayo.

    Witnesses said hooded al-Shabab fighters used machetes to cut off the limbs of the screaming men on Friday.

    The militants amputated one hand and one foot of two of the men. They cut off the third man’s foot, after realizing one of his hands was disabled.

    Reports on how many people turned out to watch the public amputations ranged from hundreds to thousands.

    Al-Shabab spokesman, Sheikh Hassan Yaqub, said the region’s Islamist court found the men guilty of robbing passengers in vehicles near Kismayo. He said the amputations were carried out as punishment according to Sharia, a strict version of Islamic law.

    Al-Shabab, which is trying to overthrow Somalia’s moderate Islamic government, has imposed Sharia on much of the south and parts of Mogadishu.

    The group has carried out beheadings, stonings and other amputations in the areas it controls.

    On Wednesday, members of al-Shabab in Mogadishu cut off the right hands of two men accused of theft and whipped another accused of rape.

    http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-10-10-voa12.cfm

    Well they only cut off one foot of a disabled man, who said islam wasnt compassionate.

  184. Cue the patriotic music as I dissect Tex’s list:

    (1) Whom does the world look to for leadership? Not anymore, Bush took care of that.
    (2) Which country is still considered the only “superpower”, though China may be getting there. Hardly, a broken health care system, unprecedented poverty and little clout.
    (3) Which currency is the standard bearer (before MaO). Dollar was weak before Obama.
    (4) Which country does the world look to for defense? Won’t be us for long as we over extend our troops chasing the boogeymen terrorists.
    (5) Which country does the world look to in providing humanitarian aid? Fine example of that we gave them during Katrina.
    (6) Which country keeps the peace? Doing a great job of that in Afghanistan.
    (7) Which country is the beacon of light? Yup, so long as you’re willing to follow the rigid direction that we shine the light in.

    You’ve just given the Nobel committee’s rationale for awarding Obama. Bush took your points, 1 – 7 and flushed them down the toilet (with lots of help … wasn’t his fault entirely,)

  185. My bad Elric, I thought you were comparing you and your wife to Matalin and Carville. I should have known better, It would take one crazy ass liberal to marry you. Even Matalin is slightly more reasoned than you are.

  186. wow, you are really drunk off the Beck-kool-aid (sour-grape flavor). Nope, that wasn’t wine you were drinking.

    This is America, I can call him an idiot if I want to. The evidence is 4+ pages of youtube videos. Why should I bother when you’ve already enlisted into the cult? You’d probably dismiss the videos because you think youtube is run by liberals.

  187. Matalin and Carville creep me out cause they look like they could be related. Signs of narcissism to marry someone that looks like your brother/sister. Then again, maybe it’s because they’re wrinkly.

  188. Rutherford,

    I would pick apart your retort in turn with AC/DC playing “Highway to Hell” for your entrance to hump George at your version of the gates while Mohammad rumps you in the train, but it would be a waste of time and you’ll be there soon enough. So the only thing I want to know is, if Bush the cause of all our ills, when is our shuffling Pres. Stepin Fetchit going to make things okay?

    MaO Bama has had nine months and hasn’t made a dent in anything of significance. He’s definitely overseen things much worse. 10% unemployment, panicked people in the streets as his feckless family flies the jumbo over ground zero, tripled the yearly debt, demoralized the troops losing a war that six months ago it appeared we were winning, people turning on the empty shirt everywhere sensing an empty liar, race relations at a 40 year low with racial strife getting worse by the day, health care ideas summarily rejected, allies releasing terrorists to a hero’s welcome, with a super Dim Congressional approval rating of 21%.

    Where’s the beef Rutherford? Is that what you call an outstanding performance?

    And then there is our illustrious blog owner Rutherford with his man-hatin’ wife idolizing asshole ripping “journalists”, so significant that there a substitute on the 2nd worst rate opinion broadcast on television – a substitute for Keith Olbermann (OMG).

    My mouth is watering for Nov 2010, or for someone to fire the first shot so you and I can quit exchanging barbs and really go at it. It would be glorious…

  189. Italy: Two more arrests in jihadist attack on army barracks

    That’s the funny thing about the Tiny Minority of Extremists: Bit by bit, the number of known members always seems to be growing. An update on this story. “Italy: Two suspects arrested in military barracks attack,” from AdnKronos International, October 13:

    Milan, 13 October (AKI) – Two suspects and alleged accomplices were arrested early on Tuesday in connection with the attack against army barracks by a Libyan man, Mohammed Game, in the northern Italian city of Milan on Monday.

    Italian media reports say an Egyptian and a Libyan were arrested by police after they interrogated friends and family members. The Egyptian man helped Game reach the barracks, while the Libyan suspect helped Game in finding the explosives.

    More than 100 kilogrammes of explosives containing ammonium nitrate were seized at a house near Game’s.

    Cue the obligatory statements from “shocked” associates that a decent fellow like this would do such a thing:

    Meanwhile, Game’s wife Giovanna said she was “shocked” by the news and would have never suspected he could carry out a terror attack.

    On Monday, an Italian soldier was injured after 35-year-old Game exploded a bomb hidden inside a toolbox at the entrance of the ‘Santa Barbara’ barracks. The man is said to have entered the courtyard of the barracks on foot, where he was confronted by a military guard.

    He then detonated the rudimentary explosives, which were reportedly made of solid nitrate.

    The toolbox where the man hid the explosive device contained two more kilogrammes of explosives, and according to reports, it only partially detonated.

    Authorities have said if the entire load had detonated, there would definitely have been deaths….

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/italy-two-more-arrests-in-jihadist-attack-on-army-barracks.html

    Care to explain this as well Dodger

  190. No peace in Chicago’s Altgeld Gardens: What Obama and Jarrett left behind
    By Michelle Malkin • October 12, 2009 12:38 PM

    Nobel Peace Prize winner Barack Obama cut his teeth in community organizing at Chicago public housing project Altgeld Gardens.

    Obama exaggerated his role as an activist at Altgeld Gardens, according to a 2007 LATimes report quoting other community organizers, and left behind more failure than success, according to this 2008 Boston Globe report:

    http://michellemalkin.com/2009/10/12/no-peace-in-chicagos-altgeld-gardens/

  191. Tuesday, October 13th, 2009 at 7:55 am
    Sainthood
    Holy Obama!

    When I met the Pope last spring, I noticed something strange about the way he looked at me. His eyes, almost tearful, were full of wonder. Now I understand why.

    I found out this morning that the Pope has just declared me the first living Saint in history.

    As you know, becoming a Saint requires two miracles. He cited the miracle of me being elected with so little experience as the first one.

    Apparently, my receiving the Nobel Peace Prize last week qualified as the second miracle.

    Again, I feel honored and humbled. Holy moly, what a year I’m having!

    http://whitehouse.gov1.info/blog/blog_post/blog-obama-saint.html

    Thuggy’s ego never lets up

  192. Al-Quds Day – Celebrating Hate and Supporting Terror

    IPT News
    September 23, 2009

    It appeared to be a typical Al-Quds Day rally, replete with hateful speeches about the destruction of the State of Israel and the waving of Hizballah flags. The rally resembled other international versions of this year’s Al-Quds Day celebration, an annual Islamist holiday initiated by Iranian revolutionary and terrorism exporter, Imam Ruhollah Musavi Khomeini. However, this event – held Friday, September 18th –wasn’t in downtown Karachi or Damascus, but in downtown Washington, D.C’s Sheridan Circle.

    The rally was organized by an employee of the Fairfax County Department of Planning and Zoning, Faheem Darab. It even featured speakers as diverse as leaders from leftist organizations, a radical Reverend and homegrown American Islamists. The event was an expression of homegrown radicalism that sprouted from the seeds of a faraway revolution in Iran and was watered by local Jihadist sentiment.

    Participants were greeted at the event by the prominent yellow flags of Hizballah – a group designated by the U.S. State Department as a Foreign Terrorist Organization. In addition to this obvious display of support for a terrorist organization, the moderator of the event praised Imam Ayatollah Al-Khomeini, the initiator of Al-Quds Day and leader of the 1979 Iranian revolution. He even exhorted participants to carry posters with radical statements, including one with a quote from Hizballah leader Hassan Nasrallah:

    “Israel is our enemy. This is an aggressive, illegal, illegitimate entity that has no future in our land. Its destiny is manifested in our motto – Death to Israel

    – Nasrallah.”

    Aside from the visual militancy on display at the rally, the speakers enflamed their followers with vocal calls for the destruction of Israel as well as support and justification for terrorism.

    http://www.investigativeproject.org/1428/al-quds-day-celebrating-hate-and-supporting-terror

    Feel the love, feel the freedom baby!

  193. Thuggy’s ego never lets up

    I understand the appeal of posting stuff from this spoof site (kinda like posting stuff from the Onion), but your tag lines afterward really give the impression you think this stuff is real. Sometimes, you worry me.

  194. Al-Quds Day – Celebrating Hate and Supporting Terror

    Yeah well you gotta love D.C. Everybody gets their chance to be heard from terror supporters to gay rights activists to teabaggers. Ain’t that America? 😉

  195. Interesting that you are more condescending towards the tea partiers than terrorist supporters. That in itself speaks volumes on what a loathsome, vile POS that you are.

  196. Here Rutherford and Wally,

    Chew on this one. Maybe you’ll learn something – as you try to rewrite history:

    News flash. The great depression of 1920?

    Never heard of it. You haven’t either? Why have you never heard of it? It’s because there was no great depression of 1920.

    In truth, the 1920 recession was a post-WWI recession that was caused when industry retooled from military to civilian production.

    The economy shrank by 12% nominal in the first year of the Great Depression (GD), roughly double 1920.

    The two aren’t even comparable.

    Nice try, but your argument has failed again.

    Both the GD and 2008 collapse was a credit failure, and kept getting worse. History shows some failures require bold government action, some don’t.

  197. “Why the Great Depression lasted so long has always been a great mystery, and because we never really knew the reason, we have always worried whether we would have another 10- to 15-year economic slump,” said Ohanian, vice chair of UCLA’s Department of Economics. “We found that a relapse isn’t likely unless lawmakers gum up a recovery with ill-conceived stimulus policies.”

    In an article in the August issue of the Journal of Political Economy, Ohanian and Cole blame specific anti-competition and pro-labor measures that Roosevelt promoted and signed into law June 16, 1933.

    Sound familiar?

  198. when is our shuffling Pres. Stepin Fetchit

    Don’t know how I missed this one. Sorry dude but THAT is just plain racist. There is nothing Stepin Fetchit about Obama and you know it.

    Don’t know why I bothered to point that out since you only said it to get a response. I should’ve ignored it.

  199. (AINA) — Mistreatment of Christian conscripts in the Egyptian army, including beatings, psychological harassment and torture, at the hands of radical Muslim officers to force them to convert to Islam is widespread, but is rarely reported by conscripts for fear of reprisals.

    In the latest incident, 22-year-old draftee Mubarak Masood Zakaria, a Coptic Christian, died in mysterious circumstances on August 15, 2009. Three days after his death the police in Mallawi summoned his father, Masood Zakaria, to inform him of his son’s “sudden death” of “natural causes,” and give him the body and burial permission. “We were not allowed to see the body,” said the father, who works as a rope spinner and lives under the poverty line, in the Upper Egyptian village of Deir Abu Hennes, Mallawi, in Al-Minya Governorate.

    Although the death certificate stated “cause of death still under investigation,” permission for burial was granted.

    On their way to the church for the funeral ceremony, the odor from Mubarak’s corpse was so offensive the Zakaria family and some mourners decided to inspect the body before its burial. They discovered that Mubarak’s body was riddled with bullets, his face was bruised and his abdomen was cut open and sewn.

    The military prosecutor in Assiut summoned the father several days after the burial and tried to explain to him how his son shot himself during his sleep, with the weapon that was with him, reported Ms Nermine Reda, correspondent for Copts United advocacy.

    The father believes that there is foul play, because his son was always complaining of ill-treatment by his superiors because of his religion “My son sustained multiple gunshot wounds, and what the persecutor told me is illogical,” he told Ms. Reda

    A mourner at the funeral voiced his fears that the booming clandestine human organs trafficking in Egypt could have found a new source of supply in poor Copts serving in the Egyptian army. “Why was his abdomen cut open and sewn if no autopsy was carried out. I believe they admitted him to hospital for a few hours to examine the state of his internal organs for harvesting.”

    He explained that conscripts who are targeted for enforced Islamization are those who have no school education and come from the villages, mostly from Upper Egypt; their families are poor and easily intimidated by the authorities should their sons be harmed. They have no awareness of how to seek human rights organizations or the means to pursue their grievances further.

    Army officers have been previously accused by Coptic activists, based on documented evidence, of subjecting Christian draftees to persecution and extreme torture leading sometimes to their death, as a way to force them to convert to Islam.

    One of these cases was that of Hany Seroufim, a Coptic draftee serving in the Egyptian army in Aswan, who was tortured and killed in August 2006, after refusing to convert to Islam. His body was thrown into the Nile near his home town Naga Hamadi. His family was told by the army that he drowned. Marks of torture covered his whole body, with the cross tattooed on his arm cut out with a knife.

    Earlier, Hani had told his family that the unit commanding officer always humiliated and tortured him in front of his peer soldiers, because Hani was a Christian. When he asked him blatantly to convert to Islam, Hani refused and told him he would notify the military intelligence, to which the officer threatened Hany with revenge.

    http://islaminaction08.blogspot.com/2009/10/forced-islamization-of-christian.html

    Thuggy’s parter in suppressing free speech

  200. Recovery came only after the Department of Justice dramatically stepped enforcement of antitrust cases nearly four-fold and organized labor suffered a string of setbacks, the economists found.

    “The fact that the Depression dragged on for years convinced generations of economists and policy-makers that capitalism could not be trusted to recover from depressions and that significant government intervention was required to achieve good outcomes,” Cole said. “Ironically, our work shows that the recovery would have been very rapid had the government not intervened.”

    -UCLA-

  201. Glenn Beck didn’t say it, he repeated it from a poll that said 45% of doctors would quit.

    45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting If Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul

    http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=506199

    You guys try to use the AMA’s “endorsement” as proof against this, except that the AMA only represents 29% of the nation’s doctors.

    NBC’s Guthrie falsely suggests AMA represents “the nation’s doctors”

    http://mediamatters.org/research/200906150005

    Now, everytime I’ve gone to the doctor in the last couple of months, which has been several times, we’ve chatted about healthcare- Guess what, he doesn’t support the Administrations plan, which is in line with the IBD’s latest poll showing that docs and patients are talking about this- http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=508831#.

    The fact of the matter is that doctors do not support it, neither do the people, and you’re clearly too brainwashed to put 2 and 2 together…

  202. The fact of the matter is that doctors do not support it, neither do the people

    Welcome back Gorilla.

    Sorry, not a fact … just a matter of each side picking polls to support their point.

    We really won’t know which end is up until something gets passed and we see how it gets rolled out. I don’t trust your polls any more than you trust mine. Proof-by-poll is a waste of time.

  203. Proof-by-poll is a waste of time.

    I suppose that’s why we take them…. to waste time and stuff.

    Anything less than sampling is purely supposition. I could even make up stuff without the existence of reference material, such as polls.

    Here’s one, my poll states your belief that polls are a waste of time suggests you might be susceptible to dismissing facts if they do not fit nicely into your world of pre-established beliefs.

    Of course, my poll could have a margin of error of +-3 points, but no more than that.

  204. For Gorilla and other history re-writers:

    On deeper examination, I discovered that the right bases its New Deal revisionism on the short-lived recession in a year straddling 1937 and 1938. But that was four years into Roosevelt’s term — four years marked by spectacular economic growth. Additionally, the fleeting decline happened not because of the New Deal’s spending programs, but because Roosevelt momentarily listened to conservatives and backed off them. As Nobel-winning economist Paul Krugman notes, in 1937-38, FDR “was persuaded to balance the budget” and “cut spending and the economy went back down again.”

    From David Sirota at Salon.

  205. Wally,

    Guess you missed the entire premise of the article, hey? No surprise, as life seems to have passed you buy as well. So let me spell it out for you because I forget who I am dealing with here.

    So let’s review the facts of the article and history as you continue to push for more and more government intervention from MaO Bama. This time I have included for everyone with the note that the unemployment rate then stood at 20%.

    With advice from Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon, President Harding set about reducing the government’s role in the economy. He cut federal spending from the bloated Wilsonian level of $6.3 billion in 1920 to $5 billion in 1921, and then to $3.2 billion in 1922. Federal taxes were cut from $6.6 billion in 1920 to $5.5 billion in 1921 and $4 billion in 1922. Unlike his Commerce Secretary, Herbert Hoover, an enthusiast of government intervention in the economy who pushed for a Conference on Unemployment, Harding believed that “we need vastly more freedom than we do regulation.”

    Harding, a Republican, not only pardoned and freed the socialist Eugene Debs, who had been prosecuted by the Democrat Wilson; he invited Debs to the White House.

    Within a few months of the Harding economic reform plan passing Congress, the economy began to revive. By 1922, the GDP had jumped to $74.1 billion and would continue its dramatic rise every year until 1930. Unemployment plunged to 6.7 percent and continued to drop. In 1926, the unemployment rate reached 1.6 percent, a record unmatched in peacetime.

    No government intervention Wally – in fact, gov’t was cut substantially Wally. So now let me repeat for you so maybe you’ll understand: Smaller Government – Roaring 20’s, unemployment at 1.6%.

    Does that make sense sport?

  206. Interesting that you are more condescending towards the tea partiers than terrorist supporters.

    LOL you took that bait so nicely …. like shooting fish in a barrel. Sorry, you paid the price …. I needed to avenge Tex’s Stepin Fetchit taunt that I fell for and you were as good a victim as any.

    Take my word for it, I don’t think the teabaggers are on a par with folks calling for Israel’s destruction.

  207. Gorilla,

    You’ll be wasting your time trying to educate Rutherford about reality. For instance this statement by Big “R”:

    As Nobel-winning economist Paul Krugman notes, in 1937-38, FDR “was persuaded to balance the budget” and “cut spending and the economy went back down again.”

    Nobel = Paul Krugman = MaO Boma = Yassir Arafat = Al Gore

    Anything written by Paul Krugman should be laughed at. To the best of my knowledge, this clown has never been right about anything. To add icing to the cake, his employer NYT is going bankrupt as we speak.

    Paul will soon be substituting as backup for Keith “Fired by ESPN then hired by MSNBC for expert commentary” Olbermann like Crazy Larry. These are the ‘reliable’ sources Rutherford uses as factual information, perhaps explaining why Rutherford finds himself in the unenviable position of about to be put to the streets.

  208. As President Obama continues his midnight stroll in the White House, he can ponder the fact that his economic policies have or promise to: a) increase taxes on the job-creating sectors of the economy; b) increase energy costs to businesses and individuals; c) increase the size and expense of government; d) increase health care spending (don’t kid yourself); e) increase union power and thus the cost of labor; and f) double the national debt over the next 10 years.

    It’s looking like he cannot touch Warren Harding.

    Well said Mona. Well said.

  209. Now Ben, I’m sure you have to admit polling is an inexact science, at best.

    For example, one poll, I don’t remember who gave it, reported an overwhelming opposition to “Obamacare” but when the poll questions were examined in more detail it was determined that the poll takers were asked a number of leading questions, casting Obama in a negative light, before getting to the Obamacare question. By this time, the participants had been conditioned to respond negatively and the negative response of the health care question became almost inevitable.

  210. Government has never increased the standard of living of one single human being in civilization’s history. For some reason that simple truth has evaded everybody. The only thing that creates an increased standard of living is giving someone a job, the demand for their labor — whether it’s you and I, Chris, or anybody else. The people that are paying the price for this juggernaut of federal spending are the middle class and the working class of America. ~ Steve Wynn

    Another in a long list of soft Obama supporters moving to the other side. Oh, Nov. 2010 looks like happier days may be here again.

  211. Tex … sorry but you missed the point. Harding did not get us out of a major depression. You’re comparing apples and oranges when you compare Harding to Roosevelt.

  212. Tex, you are truly capable of some of the most illogical arguments known to man. “To add icing to the cake, his employer NYT is going bankrupt as we speak.” It’s Krugman’s fault that the NYT has fallen on hard times? What does that even mean? It’s like you fire a shotgun and 90% of your pellets don’t come near the target.

    The article I quoted relied on more than just Krugman. Oh yeah … Krugman and Arafat related by X degrees of separation. Another nutty argument.

  213. “Take my word for it, I don’t think the teabaggers are on a par with folks calling for Israel’s destruction.”

    No, you think they are much worse, thats why you focus on them and call them degrading names. You fool no one Dodger except perhaps yourself. You are just another lowlife liberal scum who views fellow Americans more a threat than the islamists strapping on bombs to kill innocent people. Like I said, a loathsome vile POS.

  214. ‘Tolerating intolerance is not a virtue’
    Ed West meets the extraordinary Egyptian convert warning Europeans not to abandon their Judeo-Christian heritage

    9 October 2009
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    Nonie Darwish: ‘In times of trouble Arabs will trust Jews. They don’t believe their own hatred’ http://www.ddconsult.eu

    Slight of build and dressed in the stylish manner of the European-influenced Arab middle class, Nonie Darwish could be any wealthy Levantine in Paris or west London.

    But behind the veneer of Egyptian elegance is a one-woman anti-jihad machine, a Christian convert from Islam, founder of a group called Former Muslims United and author of two books highly critical of Sharia law, Arab policy towards Israel and Islamists’ ambitions for global conquest.

    Darwish is often compared to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the Somali-born Dutch feminist, but whereas Ali is an atheist who stands up for Europe’s “Enlightenment values” against Islam, Darwish is a Christian who believes “that Judeo-Christian culture produces healthier, happier and more just societies, whereas Islamic culture produces tyrannical regimes and oppression”.

    As a result her life is in danger. Is there any specific death threat, I ask, when we meet in central London.

    “I’m not aware of a fatwa, but my life is in danger,” she says with a shrug. “Just like anyone who speaks about the nature of Islam.”

    And Islamic fundamentalists have every reason to hate her. She is regularly attacked on the front pages of Egyptian newspapers, where she is called a “traitor”. She campaigns against Sharia law and against those who threaten apostates. She is a regular on the lecture circuit, where she criticises Arab foreign policy.

    http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/features/f0000478.shtml

    Brave woman and great speaker

  215. Rutherford,

    Are you going brain dead? Where in the world did the word “Roosevelt” get into the conversation with Harding? I think it is you mixing fruits and nuts. I simply was proving to you that government intervention unnecessary to bring us out of an incredibly steep “recession” or “depression”, take your pick.

    1920 had at least half again the unemployment we do now. I don’t see how you can dispute that with the record I copped from Mona. She is right, and as usual you are wrong. Wally is somewhere out in the latrine.

    History has proven it time after time after time…

  216. Start reading closer – you splitting your time isn’t working. I think Elric has shaken you up badly.

    It’s Krugman’s fault that the NYT has fallen on hard times? What does that even mean? It’s like you fire a shotgun and 90% of your pellets don’t come near the target.

    Krugman is a large part of their problem – the 10% of my pellets that hit home. The other 90% hit Maureen Dowd, and Frank Rich, and a host of other maggots.

    But let me admit that Krugman doesn’t rate with Arafat, as Arafat the better crook and thug. Krugman is a rank amateur compared to Yasser. Krugman is more like Al Gore. Fat headed, self-serving, completely overrated, a major league hypocrite, and a coward. In otherwords, worthy of a Nobel.

  217. Tex … that’s not the casino guy Steve Wynn is it? LOL Somehow my quoting Paul Krugman definitely trumps (pardon the pun) your quoting a guy who steals money from addicted gamblers for a living. 😉

  218. No, you think they are much worse … etc etc

    Good heavens, I don’t know how your conscience allows you to be anywhere near this blog considering how loathsome and vile I am. 🙂

  219. islam bringing people together

    Now, isn’t that a good thing? 😉 Elric, I have to give you credit. You’re starting to broaden your sources beyond Weasel Zippers and Jihadwatch. A citation from the Times of India! I’m impressed.

  220. History has proven it time after time after time…

    Well, no.

    Harding didn’t preside over a depression. Roosevelt did. Roosevelt was successful until he stopped deficit spending, and then we fell backward again.

    I’d venture to say that most economists agree that the actions taken in late 08 by Bush and early 09 by Obama stopped us from going into a full fledged depression. Perhaps the only question is should Lehman have been allowed to fail? Don’t know the answer to that.

  221. “Good heavens, I don’t know how your conscience allows you to be anywhere near this blog considering how loathsome and vile I am.”

    I’ll give you credit, at least you didnt deny it.

  222. The Quran and Hadith against Human Rights
    Tuesday, 06 October 2009 05:17 Dr. Sami Alrabaa

    Muslim countries have signed to the U.N. Charter on Human Rights, but have summarily failed in deliverying it to its non-Muslim populations as well as women. Well, how could the spurn the holy commands of Allah, and sacred examples of Muhammad in order to uphold the UN Human Rights Charter.

    The Koran, the holy book of Muslims, and Hadith (fatwas of the prophet Muhammad) contain numerous passages that are incompatible with the UN Declaration of Human Rights to which, by the way, all Muslim states have officially subscribed.

    One might argue that the Bible and the Old Testament of both Christians and Jews also contain atrocious passages that go against human rights (For further information, click here). However, while Christians and Jews ignore these atrocious passages and look at them in a historical context, Muslim believers, especially radical Muslims, do not. They are convinced that both the Koran and Hadith are sacred scriptures; the word of Allah and must be followed and implemented to the letter. Suicide and car bombers are a clear case in point. Many Muslims believe that Sharia (which includes both the Koran and Hadith) must be introduced and applied all over the world as the only best law for all human beings.

    Here are some examples which clearly show that Islam is diametrically opposed to universal human rights.

    http://www.islam-watch.org/iw-new/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=206:quran-hadith-against-human-rights&catid=75:sami&Itemid=58

  223. “I’m not aware of a fatwa, but my life is in danger,” she says with a shrug. “Just like anyone who speaks about the nature of Islam.”

    Mmmm, that reminds me. Elric, have you hired a security detail yet cos heaven knows you’ve got to be one of the most outspoken American speakers on Islam there is.

  224. Milan bomb cell ‘do-it-yourself’
    No link to terrorist groups, intelligence says

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    (ANSA) – Milan, October 13 – A man who let off a bomb outside a Milan police barracks Monday was part of a ‘do-it-yourself’ cell with two others with no links to jihadi groups, Italian intelligence said Tuesday.

    The three acted alone and were not linked to al-Qaeda or other Islamist fighters, the sources said.

    They formed a one-off cell but were ”no less dangerous because of their isolation and because they were ready to die for their cause”.

    http://www.ansa.it/web/notizie/rubriche/english/2009/10/13/visualizza_new.html_987590242.html

    Thats actually worse. But then, all they need is islamic scriptures to justify their actions.

  225. I’ll give you credit, at least you didnt deny it.

    You do have one of the oddest logic structures of anyone I’ve encountered. You post examples of Muslim violence and expect a response, like I’m some Jihadist ready to defend every suicide bomber.

    Then you credit me for not “denying” your opinion. That’s your opinion. What is there to deny? “Elric thinks I’m loathsome” is a statement of fact until and if you ever change your mind. Nothing to deny there.

  226. “Mmmm, that reminds me. Elric, have you hired a security detail yet cos heaven knows you’ve got to be one of the most outspoken American speakers on Islam there is.”

    Never can actual address the post, can you? Well dont worry, once Thuggy, Egypt and the OIC gets its way, all criticism of islam will be a crime.

  227. “You post examples of Muslim violence and expect a response, like I’m some Jihadist ready to defend every suicide bomber.”

    No, you are just a POS liberal who is more critical of tea partiers than islamic terrorist supporters marching on Washington. You can even come up with a smear name for them like you do for tea partiers. Why not Dodger?

  228. >I’d venture to say that most economists agree that the actions taken in late 08 by Bush and early 09 by Obama stopped us from going into a full fledged depression. Perhaps the only question is should Lehman have been allowed to fail? Don’t know the answer to that.

    You mean Obama’s economists? Otherwise, you’re blowing smoke with even Putin noting the quick dash to Marxism. How you can either continue to be that blind or lie thru you teeth is beyond me.

    Rutherford, you can counterpoint all you want and rewrite history to suit your need, but the fact remains that Obama’s government intervention hasn’t done shit but triple the deficit and boost unemployment up two points since implemented.

  229. Wally, 😆

    Female veterans exclusively – including those assaulted? Sounds like something you would establish – being the politically correct wimp, and all.

    Is that your POS blog? Great traffic! 😆 Don’t worry, before Rabbit, Elric, and I made Rutherford quasi famous, he used to get about three people a month too.

    Perhaps you need to go attract some real men to visit so you won’t be so lonely?

  230. Video: Canadians talk health care
    posted at 2:52 pm on October 13, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

    Courtesy of the Mackinac Center for Public Policy, Canadians want to tell their American cousins all about the joys of the Canadian system that Barack Obama admires so much. They have a number of these videos in which Canadians explain terms like “medical vacations” and communicate the thrill of wait-listing. It also generates new business opportunities, too — or maybe you missed the explosion of wait-list insurance north of the border. The fun never ends in the Canadian health-care system!

    Why do Canadians speak up now? They have at least had the option of crossing the border if they can get the resources to avoid the long wait times for treatment. Some of them worry that the ObamaCare overhaul will put an end to that relief valve. Where would they go for treatment? One Canadian has a suggestion, which he laughs off … for now. Be sure to watch this and the other videos at Mackinac.

  231. I guess Pastor Tex willingly lumps injured Vets, regardless if they are men or women, into some kind of cartoonish place where they are on the hair trigger of attacking someone.

    Truly sad.

  232. One might argue that the Bible and the Old Testament of both Christians and Jews also contain atrocious passages that go against human rights However, while Christians and Jews ignore these atrocious passages and look at them in a historical context, Muslim believers, especially radical Muslims, do not. They are convinced that both the Koran and Hadith are sacred scriptures; the word of Allah and must be followed and implemented to the letter.

    WOW, this says it all doesn’t it? This is the very thing that makes me uneasy about Elric’s campaign against Islam.

    Both Testaments of the Bible, according to the author, contain atrocities but there is something special, or intelligent or enlightened about Christians and Jews that they ignore the crazy stuff and only follow the sane stuff. But the Muslim is either too stupid, or too primitive to know which parts of the Koran to take seriously and which parts to discard. Real problematic for me. (He also ignores those Jews and more often Christians that take all sorts of belief-defying stuff in the Bible absolutely literally.)

    Notice Elric, the author, unlike you, does not single out the Koran as evil scripture. He singles out Muslims for not being able to put the more violent parts of scripture in “historical context” … again almost an implication that Muslims are inherently dumber than followers of the other Abrahamic religions.

    Would really be nice to see some prescription for solving the problem but no, we just get told that Muslims are deviant and then we get a list of all the atrocious parts of the Koran. What could have been a constructive article is really just a slander. (And I could care less that it was written by an ex-Muslim. He of all people should have some constructive ideas on what we do about the problem.)

    Editor’s note The next few comments may have more typos than usual because I had my annual dilation at the eye doctor today and everything is a blur. My eyes should be back to normal in an hour or so.

  233. Is that your POS blog? Great traffic!

    Oh Curator, I forgot to warn you that Tex thinks he can divine how much traffic a blog gets … guess he uses some “number of comments” algorithm to figure it out. He’s a real genius. And also notice that until HE visits your blog, you haven’t hit the big time. 😉

    Now as an example of how to do a blog right, you should visit Tex’s blog. It’s located at http://www.oh-yeah-he-doesn't-have-a-fuc*in-blog.com. 🙂

  234. “He of all people should have some constructive ideas on what we do about the problem.”

    Well islam cant be reformed since the qur’an is the literal word of allah.

    “What could have been a constructive article is really just a slander.”

    Whats slander?

  235. Fix my link on your blogroll.

    Danke Mein Herr

    Done, Comrade!

    P.S. I took a year of German in college and did so poorly I couldn’t give you a German answer. I could’ve cheated and looked it up but I figured the “Comrade” would get Tex/Elric’s shorts in a knot. 🙂

  236. BREAKING NEWS:

    This just in!

    Obama wins the Heisman Trophy after watching a college football game!

    I think SNL and a couple of late night comedians beat you to it, but it was funny just the same. 🙂

  237. Actually, Sensico … in DR’s defense, he has never pretended to be the expert on blog traffic that Tex has. In fact, this is one of the reasons I’ve been claiming that Tex is returning to his old self … back in the Chamber, he would tell any blogger with whom he disagreed that their blog sucked and got no traffic.

    You know, this just occurred to me … maybe old Tex is missing his friend the General? He is certainly reverting to the Chamber Tex of old.

    Hey Tex, where is the old General? His own blog is now just a memorial. I hear he “guest blogs” elsewhere, but where exactly?

  238. Hey Tex, regarding that Michelle Obama doll, perhaps you can buy it and put next to your Barbara Bush doll?

    Elric could put it next to his Sarah Palin blow-up doll! 😉

  239. Rutherford,

    Chaps your ass that three of your biggest detractors are what actually established your blog, doesn’t it? 🙂

    Damn sure wasn’t the writing. No quicker way to get under your skin than to make fun of what you’re most proud – your blog. 😆

  240. Video: Beck sets up special hotline for White House to whine about Fox News
    posted at 7:44 pm on October 13, 2009 by Allahpundit
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    An easy joke but a good one, and richly, richly deserved.

    I’m told that our favorite liberal went off on the crybabies in Anita Dunn’s office for a good half-hour in the “Strategy Room” this afternoon, but alas, there’s no video on FNC’s site. If anyone happened to capture the web feed, let me know.

  241. Elric,

    Can you imagine if George Bush had done this with say NBC or MSNBC? I know FOX News is loving this and being that half the country can’t stand this regime FOX could care less what President Butthead thinks, but this is flat out an abuse of power by a sitting, feckless President and straight up attempt at fascism. This is soft Nazism.

    I’m glad Beck does this, but I wouldn’t put it past one these crazed loons to try and blow up the building one day. These leftist clowns that post here and that worthless Gibbs (what a pile of cow dung) make accusations and their bluff has now been called. Beck is killing them – let’s see them come up with all these “untruths’ – kind of like Obama’s lackeys at ACORN.

    We need to keep piling on for the egregious lack of sophistication and paranioa – MaO Bama and his minions like Big “R”, Wally, and Densico are getting angrier by the day and nothing like pushing a lib to the brink of implosion to get your rocks off. 🙂

  242. Tex,

    Thugyy’s attitude towards Fox is one reason I call him a thug. It isnt good enough that most of the media pays lip service to his agenda. Everyone must feed his massive ego. Its downright disturbing.

    If Thuggy went through what Bush went through, Thuggy would have committed suicide by now.

    As for CNN, PMSNBC etc. They think they are safe? Sooner or later Thuggy will go after them too once he is done with Fox. Thats how marxists work

  243. Elric, I have a question for you, a serious one and yes I know you will likely answer the question with a question but what the hell.

    Can you envision any scenario in which Israel could do something wrong? Seriously. Is the Israeli government infallible?

  244. This is soft Nazism.

    I’m glad Beck does this, but I wouldn’t put it past one these crazed loons to try and blow up the building one day.

    LOL This is rich! You think by using the word “soft” you haven’t just called Obama a Nazi? Tex, I thought that kind of hyperbole was reserved for drama-queen liberals?

    And do I understand that after months of lecturing me on how law abiding and decent your right-wing gang is and how I am over-dramatizing their threats, you are now predicting a leftie will blow up a building?

    Why does that kind of over the top language work for you but not for me? Typically not practicing what you’re preaching.

  245. Chaps your ass that three of your biggest detractors are what actually established your blog, doesn’t it? Damn sure wasn’t the writing.

    I debated taking the bait here but heck I’m human and I just can’t resist.

    First, many threads ago Red Pill had to slap you silly when you first made that claim. You see, there’s this thing called the WordPress Political Bloggers Alliance, invented by General Chen and people who actually write blogs are a part of it and have since its inception commented on each others work. This means that I have enjoyed the company of Red Pill, Alfie, and Sensico to name a few, for quite a while and long before I ever encountered the myopic Tex Taylor dwelling in the basement of Chen’s Chamber throwing shit at visitors like some crazed orangutan.

    Second, I can write you under the table, over the table, across the table and any which way I please. Even if I were a lousy writer (which I’m not) just the fact that I make the effort puts me head and shoulders over you. (Notice “if I were”, not if I was, proper use of the subjunctive. Lots of folks get it wrong. Do you? You wouldn’t admit it even if you did.)

    Third, if I were to kiss your tightly clenched conservative ass and agree with you, it would still be clear that you can’t count, not even on one hand. (Maybe that hand is busy doing other things.) You and Rabbit came here many moons ago when Chen stopped writing. That is two people. Elric is a relatively recent guest so where you get “three” from is beyond me. Then again, you wouldn’t want to leave your new boy-toy off the list, now would you? 😉

    Now I fully realize that by answering this I’ve satisfied your desire to get “under my skin” but sometimes when you’re an asshole, you need to be told you’re an asshole.

  246. Rutherford,

    I think you and your worthless ilk have reached their boiling point. I hope in no small part I played a role in it. And I know you’re ilk enough to blow up the FOX building because Beck & Co. are exposing you as corrupt thieves, from MaO Bama’s appointees and tax cheats to ACORN. All I question is if a lib has the balls to try it, being there aren’t any bigger cowards on earth.

    Yes, I think MaO Bama is a bully, a narcissistic thug, and has surrounded himself with Chicago style scum like Rahm Emanuel, whom I know is frickin’ fascist, just as I know Rev. Jezebel Wright is a racist.

    Face it Rutherford – you’re now being beat at your own nasty game. The days of lying and getting away with it are over with – how’s it feel to have your nose rubbed in it. As a personal observation, you are a whole lot better at giving it than you are at getting it. Your ideology has been exposed as a fraud, a farce, and a losing proposition any way you count it.

    I know you have no sense of shame. So I only have one question left for you?

    Do you think MaO will nominated as MVP at the Super Bowl as all the little children serenade him for his “greatness.”

  247. Then again, you wouldn’t want to leave your new boy-toy off the list, now would you?

    That’s hilarious.

    It’s extremely stupid for Tex to suggest that. DR and Tex could have went to any other blog. They chose this one, which to some extent proves you have some quality or whatever that they like. I for one wouldn’t wish this whole blog/forum situation on my worst blogger enemy (I don’t have one but you know what I’m trying to say). It requires time and tons of patience.

  248. What’s wrong? Hitting a little close to home tonight, are we? 🙂

    First, many threads ago Red Pill had to slap you silly when you first made that claim.

    and

    Even if I were a lousy writer (which I’m not) just the fact that I make the effort puts me head and shoulders over you.

    Speaking of “illusions”. Or was it delusions? Did I mention you should have never brought your man hating, Sarah Palin obsessed wife into it? 😆 I always took you as the “kind” whippin’ boy.

    Even if I were a lousy writer (which I’m not) just the fact that I make the effort puts me head and shoulders over you.

    Oh well. If that makes you feel better, so be it. But let me pop your bubble just for a moment. Seems it is me that takes advantage and uses you at my beckon call. You do the work by supplying the glass, and I have the fun throwing rocks at panes. Consider it slave labor! 🙂

    I got tired of your lies and your petty, puerile bullshit sometime back. You like to bully like you’re buddy Keith Olbermann? I’ll demonstrate to you a bully and every other loser than you tote around like Wally.

    Now you can call me an asshole.

  249. It requires time and tons of patience.

    Sensico, that it does indeed. I kinda chuckled derisively at ChenZhen when he wrote several months ago that his girlfriend didn’t like all the time he spent blogging. I now have to eat my words as it’s starting to get on my wife’s nerves. If it brought home some Benjamins, she’d be fine with it, but alas!

  250. Speaking of “illusions”. Or was it delusions?

    Yup, thanks for proving my point.

    Did I mention you should have never brought your man hating, Sarah Palin obsessed wife into it?

    I don’t recall insulting your wife. Mmmm yet you insult mine. That’s just the way you roll heh?

    You like to bully like you’re buddy Keith Olbermann?

    Wow, talk about projection,

    Now you can call me an asshole.

    Already did. Thanks for listening. 🙂

  251. uh, yeah it’s like close to 1am and you’re not sleep yet. If my future husband did that knowing my love of sex and grabbing, I’d be pissed too lol.

    You could save time by ignoring most of Elric’s comments. I mean, you already know what his response would be…which is another question copy and pasted from two comments earlier.

  252. “Elric, I have a question for you, a serious one and yes I know you will likely answer the question with a question but what the hell.

    Can you envision any scenario in which Israel could do something wrong? Seriously. Is the Israeli government infallible?.”

    The irony of Dodger asking for an answer and asking it be serious. Trying doing that yourself for a change. I lost track on how many serious questions I asked you and it was either dodged or answered with a sarcastic answer that had nothing to do with the question asked.

  253. Indonesia: Islamic cleric dodges molestation charges for marrying 12-year-old

    Prosecutors say they will appeal. Widianto, for his part, defended himself “by saying the marriage was allowed by his religion.” Child protection advocates are quite correct that the ruling sets a bad precedent, but the precedent that contributes even more to the persistence of child marriage in Islamic countries is Muhammad’s own example, having married Aisha at the age of six, and consummating the marriage when she was nine.

    An update on this story. “Indonesia: Cleric cleared of sex abuse over child bride,” from AdnKronos International, October 14:

    Ungaran, 14 October (AKI/Jakarta Post) – An Indonesian court has acquitted controversial Muslim cleric Pujiono Cahyo Widianto over child sexual molestation charges for marrying an underage girl, aged 12 last year. Widianto risked up to 15 years in jail, had he been convicted of the charges. Prosecutors said they would appeal the court ruling. The girl is his second wife.

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/indonesia-islamic-cleric-dodges-molestation-charges-for-marrying-12-year-old.html

    Well at least she was older than Mo-bomb-ed’s child bride

  254. The irony of Dodger asking for an answer and asking it be serious. Trying doing that yourself for a change. I lost track on how many serious questions I asked you and it was either dodged or answered with a sarcastic answer that had nothing to do with the question asked.

    Didn’t think I’d get an answer. At least I tried.

  255. Top Imam Will Meet With Hillary Clinton During Trip to Kazan, Will Offer to Convert Her to Islam…..

    Moscow, October 13, Interfax – Muslims of Tatarstan intend to offer USA State Secretary Hillary Clinton to adopt Islam during her visit to Kazan.

    “As an imam I have to do several things when I meet her (Clinton). First, I will meet her with peace and mercy from the Almighty. Then I will tell her about monotheism and recommend to adopt Islam,”the Tvoy Den paper has cited imam-khatyb of the Kazan Zakaban Mosque Said-Jafar Lotfullin as saying on Tuesday.

    He also believes he should ask USA State Secretary “not to infringe on Muslims rights in America, to develop Islamic cultural centers, to build more mosques.”

    In frames of her visit to Russia, Clinton plans to hold talks with Tatarstan President Mintimer Shaimiyev in Kazan Kremlin and to visit Qul Sharif Mosque and the Annunciation Cathedral. She is expected to communicate with Muslim and Orthodox spiritual leaders and parishioners.

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/10/during-hillary-clintons-trip-to-kazan-top-iman-will-offer-to-convert-her-to-islam.html

    LOL

  256. Baltimore NAACP Leaders Concerned ‘Someone White or Irish’ May Be Appointed Mayor

    I’m sure Thurgood Marshall is spinning in his grave. The notion that a white mayor cannot be sympathetic to the needs of all his constituents, regardless of race, is preposterous.

    It’s an embarrassment.

  257. American Muslim arrested heading to jihadi-controlled area of Somalia
    October 14, 2009 by creeping

    Yet another American Muslim going to wage jihad in Somalia.

    LIBIO-KENYA (RBC Radio)- Kenyan police say they had arrested an American Muslim man who was heading to Somalia in the border between Somalia and Kenya on Sunday.

    Police officers say they had captured the man in the border town of Libio while he was trying to enter Somalia on a bus, he was suspected that he was one of foreign fighters who go to Somalia for Jihad war.

    Sources close to the police told Reuters news agency the man who named himself as “Osman” is a Muslim and holds an American nationality.

    http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2009/10/14/american-muslim-arrested-heading-to-jihadi-controlled-area-of-somalia/

    Hmmm why would a n “American” muslim feel compelled to wage jihad in Somalia?

  258. Russia: New sanctions on Iran “counterproductive”
    posted at 12:55 pm on October 14, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

    Barack Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize in part for his willingness to knuckle under to Russian demands to stop the land-based missile-defense system in eastern Europe. Thorbjoern Jagland cited that explicitly as an accomplishment worthy of the NPP, much as the White House itself had hailed it three weeks earlier as a major step forward towards containment of Iran and cooperation on sanctions:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/14/russia-new-sanctions-on-iran-counterproductive/

    Well looks like Israel will be hitting Iran by Christmas.

  259. I don’t know what is lower, quoting from WZ or the National Enquirer. And while I understand the desire to eviscerate John Edwards, why would you post garbage about his wife who as far as anyone can tell is a victim in all this?

  260. FCC Commissioner Says Diversity Chief’s Ideas for Regulating Free Speech Are ‘Troubling’
    Wednesday, October 14, 2009
    By Matt Cover

    (CNSNews.com) – Federal Communications Commissioner Robert McDowell said Tuesday that statements about regulating freedom of speech in broadcasting made by FCC Chief Diversity Officer Mark Lloyd are “troubling.” Everyone should be concerned when federal regulators have the power to impact freedom of speech, McDowell added

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/55420

    Drones arent concerned, they hate free speech

  261. Dems ponder drop in black voter turnout
    By Aaron Blake – 10/14/09 06:05 AM ET

    Democrats are bracing for a precipitous drop in black voter turnout next month and beyond.

    Alarms are being rung about just how many African-Americans will vote without President Barack Obama on the ballot, and the New Jersey and Virginia governors’ races in three weeks will provide the first major test since the 2008 election.

    A recent Washington Post survey estimated the black turnout in Virginia’s governor’s race at 12 percent, which would be about a 40 percent drop from last year’s general election. Other polling has shown both its and New Jersey’s black population unmoved about the off-year election.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/62967-democrats-ponder-a-big-drop-in-turnout-among-black-voters

    LOL

  262. Video: A primer on the VAT tax
    posted at 1:36 pm on October 14, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    Dan Mitchell picks up on the increased talk of imposing a federal value-added tax, and the Cato Institute scholar gives a primer on the VAT and its implications. Some conservatives have talked about eliminating the income tax in favor of a VAT in the Fair Tax proposal, which Mitchell says might work — but that’s not the context of this proposal from Nancy Pelosi and other leading Democrats. They want a VAT on top of the existing income tax — and they want to increase the income tax and other taxes at the same time. Mitchell explains that they need the taxes in order to fuel their drive towards statism:

    Democrats seem almost pathologically compelled to restore their status as a tax-and-spend party. Nine months into the first era of complete Beltway control since 1994, all they have offered is massive spending plans backed by massive new taxes. A VAT would not just be another example of this, but would be the most visible of all their proposed taxes, hitting consumers on every retail transaction. And, as Mitchell notes, the VAT would have a multiplier effect, as it gets applied at every stage of the distribution chain.

    Mitchell is absolutely correct about the necessity of blocking more revenue for statism. The VAT proposal gives Republicans their best chance at showing the grasping, greedy nature of the Democratic Party agenda in Congress. They need more money to buy more votes. We need less government to give them less power to corrupt the government. In that tug of war, most voters will choose the latter instinctively.

  263. Why would you post garbage about his wife who as far as anyone can tell is a victim in all this? Rutherford

    I agree. Elric, it doesn’t seem that strange to me that a woman would lose her cool towards her husband’s mistress, particularly an affair that took place during a bout with cancer.

    She is a total victim in this.

    The only thing I can’t explain is what she saw in the piece of shit in the first place. That goes towards the entire Democratic Party.

    I despised Edwards the first minute I ever saw him and knew, deep in my gut, that the motherfucker was a sociopath. I can’t believe the entire left didn’t see right though this guy.

    I hate Edwards. I have always HATED him!

  264. “A nice, easy to understand piece on why the stimulus package is NOT a failure:” Rutherford

    Simply put, for a bill that takes literally years to play out, why were we told time, even hours, were of an essence for the economic survival of the country?

    Why were we clearly lied to in this regard?

  265. DR,

    Pointing out the hypocrisy of daily rants on Pali while John Edwards gets a free pass, just like good drones do for liberal scumbags. Plus that Palin was a victim of the smear campaign and of course no one on the left raised a flag on it.

  266. That goes towards the entire Democratic Party.

    Well it might be the entire dem party minus one. Rumor has it that John Kerry didn’t like his running mate all that much.

  267. “Pointing out the hypocrisy of daily rants on Pali while John Edwards gets a free pass”-elric

    I agree with you there. The lack of media coverage on this guy from day one blows my mind.

    The funny thing is how popular this guy was in the party.

    I swear Edwards is one of those rare people that after 10 seconds of first seeing him you want him no where near your kids, community, state or country.

  268. Why were we clearly lied to in this regard?

    It’s a good question, if you want to call it a “lie”. Putting aside Elric’s overused term Marxist, I actually blogged on this early in the year. I was indeed concerned about the rush. I approach it now from the POV of a fete accompli and now look to find some rationale on how it will work.

    The point of the article that I cited is that the utter failure of the stimpack has been greatly exaggerated.

  269. “The funny thing is how popular this guy was in the party.

    I swear Edwards is one of those rare people that after 10 seconds of first seeing him you want him no where near your kids, community, state or country.”

    And you know they knew about his affair but didnt care. But then the Swimmer got a free pass so it comes at no surprise.

  270. New Jersey cooking employment books for Corzine re-election?
    posted at 2:55 pm on October 14, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    Jim Geraghty looks at the trend of job numbers in New Jersey and sees a pattern developing since the gubernatorial campaign began in earnest. Initial employment estimates look positive, and Governor Jon Corzine hails them as a demonstration of his leadership. When they get revised later, however, the revisions have reduced the number of private-sector jobs for each of the last five months:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/14/new-jersey-cooking-employment-books-for-corzine-re-election/

    Typical demomarxist tactic

  271. (Haaretz)- The U.S. administration is furious over Israeli incitement against President Barack Obama, Democratic congressmen close to Obama told an Israeli source who returned from a visit to Washington this week.

    The congressmen even hinted that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been personally involved.

    The source, who met in Washington with administration officials and members of Congress, told Haaretz he was stunned by the level of anger there over attempts to portray Obama to the American public as an enemy of Israel because of his efforts to restart peace talks and freeze settlement construction.

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/10/report-us-furious-over-israeli-incitement-against-obama.html

    Just wait til Israel bombs the crap out of his friends, the mullahs.

  272. “The point of the article that I cited is that the utter failure of the stimpack has been greatly exaggerated.”-RUTHERFORD

    Rutherford, we were obviously conned. The American people were clearly told that the stimulus was an instant shot in the arm.

    Did Obama ever even once mention that the bill would take more then 24 months to work?

    No. In fact it was the opposite. We were given an exact unemployment number that would be improved by the bill in the following quarter.

    This turned out to be false.

    After the initial disappointment, we were then told that in the summer of ’09 we would see a rush of stimulus money injected into the economy.

    Didn’t happen.

    Rutherford, you’re no dummy. Don’t act like your are “confused” on why we were told time was of absolute essence.

    It was a rush job becuase of all the nasty pork and spending schemes that a majority of Americans would have flat out rejected had we had the time to properly think about the bill.

    Now, that being said, will some of the spending help certain people? Of course. Is some of the stimulus bill a stimulus bill? I would hope so! Do you forget how much this bill has cost the nation?

    We were sold a fast, red car. We ended up driving a slow rusty truck.

    Obama is the one that defined what this bill meant to America. By Obama’s own definition, this bill is a failure.

    Would the American people flat out rejected the bill had we been told the truth?

    We will never know becuase the President lied to us about the biggest spending bill in World History.

    Do you remember one of the most serious piece of criticisms of Obama’s spending scheme?

    It went something like this: The government is too bureaucratic, too slow and clumsy to efficiently spend the money in any fashion that creates a stimulus. Thus, what we have here is just old school government spending and not any kind of stimulus.

  273. When Obama sold out the Ukraine and Poland, I temporarily gave him the benefit of the doubt.

    There had to be an explanation for the fold. Even if Obama didn’t see the missile defense shield of Eastern Europe to be in our interests or even technologically feasible, surely he would see it as bargaining gold.

    In fact, I heard pundits actually claim this was an example of brilliant “behind the scenes” diplomacy between shrewd Obama and Putin.

    Pundits: Putin will now provide the essential tough stance against Iran, saving the world of a middle east spiraling out of control via a nuclear arms race or an even an outright Israeli attack of Iran.

    Well, it’s obvious now Obama has been punked and punked hard.

    Putin told us to go get bent, going as far as lecturing against any sort of preemptive strikes AND saying that talk of sanctions are unacceptable.

    People, the world is spinning out of control with Obama at the helm.

    Go back and watch the debates. Mr. McCain, you called it to a tee.

  274. Sharia Law and the US Constitution
    By Louis Palme
    Oct 14, 2009

    Americans are among the most tolerant and patriotic people in the world. As a nation of immigrants, there is a certain appeal to the idea of multiculturalism where people of different backgrounds are accepted in our communities. Our nation was founded on the principles of equality and freedom, and we have invested our resources and blood over and over again to defend those principles. Our constitution guarantees not only the freedom of speech, but also the freedom to practice our religion of choice. So it is not surprising that many Americans see Sharia Law as a Muslim religious prerogative which we should support or at least tolerate. Banks have rushed to provide Sharia-compliant banking, and public institutions like universities and airports have spent taxpayer dollars to help Muslims comply with their religious requirements, providing special foot-baths and prayer rooms for them.

    If anyone speaks out against Sharia Law, there is often a strong reaction within the Muslim community. This month, Dalia Mogahed, President Obama’s advisor on Muslim affairs, complained on British television that the Western view of Sharia was “oversimplified” and misunderstood. While acknowledging that even Muslims associate Sharia with draconian criminal punishments and laws that seem unequal for women, she stated, “Part of the reason there is this perception of Sharia is because Sharia is not well understood and Islam as a faith is not well understood.” The London-based Islam Channel panel she was on made repeated attacks against secular “man-made Law” and the West’s “lethal cocktail of liberty and capitalism.” Ms. Mogahed described her government role as “to convey . . to the President and other public officials what it is Muslims want.”

    http://www.annaqed.com/en/content/show.aspx?aid=16242

  275. “When Obama sold out the Ukraine and Poland, I temporarily gave him the benefit of the doubt.”

    Why the hell would you give Thuggy “the benefit of the doubt?” Seriously, what has he done that would cut him some slack? Hopefully you will fully wake up soon. He and his goons hate this country and want to tear it down. Wake up

  276. “Hopefully you will fully wake up soon.”

    Dude. The intent of my comment was more of an illumination of Obama selling the farm for nothing in Eastern Europe.

    It was not meant to be taken as a disappointing admission of how I “trusted” this administration’s foreign policy.

    Besides, while you are correct on Obama’s disastrous Foreign Policy, it is much more effective to take the left at their own goofy predictions and then say, “Where’s the beef”?

    This tactic is much more razor sharp then bumper stickers connected to links.

    No doubt, your links are often times dead on effective.

    However, your attached quips are far too often weak.

    You rarely take the time to dig in and burn ‘um.

    “Thuggy” aint cutting it. Just a school girl insult, if it’s used nonstop. Much like sensico’s use of “Rethuglicans.”

    Quoting President Obama and his friends and then clearly pointing out failure is much more effective. That way, they can run but they can’t hide.

    Hell, I’m aware I often times don’t practice what I preach on here.

    However, I’m coming to learn that the American people are still capable of being rational. They only need not feel threatened.

    Let’s give them what they want.

    Allow Dead Rabbit to do some bragging.

    I’m winning motherfuckers over on the street. Face to face.

    I’m getting better at it everyday, too.

    Union meetings. Softball games.

    Dead Rabbit is playing it cool, feigning simple curiosity. Not showing emotion. Granting people their position of power while not using certain emotionally charged words.

    Bond with someone first. Crack ‘um up with some jokes. Listan to them speak, then slowly show the hypocrisy. By the time i’m done spinning my web, they are “dictating” to me what I wanted them to say in the first place.

    I know this sounds incredibly ego centric on my part. I’m convinced the way to change this country is one person at a time from decent jabbing distance.

    Elric, you winning anyone over in real life? You face to face with motherfuckers?

  277. “However, I’m coming to learn that the American people are still capable of being rational. They only need not feel threatened. ”

    Some are, some arent. The drones arent capable of being rational. Maybe some day you will realize some people desire servitude.

  278. Oooooh, shut up. I only use the word Rethuglicans on few occasions and only started after Elric started using thuggy. Rethuglicans just seemed to come out but I mainly use the words conservative and republican/GOP.

    Wheres that new post R? I hope the fact that I bashed your post idea of blogging about glenn beck didn’t stop you from writing it.

  279. JP – President Barak Obama has diluted the authority of the presidency like no other United States president has in living memory.

    He has appeared more frequently in television interviews, so far, than any other president. There is hardly a political initiative of his administration in which he is not publicly and openly involved right from the start.

    To paraphrase a predecessor of his President Woodrow Wilson, who believed in open international agreements openly arrived at, President Obama seems to be on the same course. He announces the policy concerned and then goes on to implement it almost as a solo show. This kind of political behavior not only dilutes his authority as president, but also limits his freedom to maneuver. He is constrained by his own statements.

    For instance, Obama previously announced that Israel must declare a total freeze on settlement construction in the West Bank and east Jerusalem. Although Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu was ready to go a long way toward achieving a common denominator on this matter, a total freeze was not going to happen.

    Had the Obama administration refrained from making public statements on this issue, and proceeded to conduct a quiet dialogue with the Israeli government, the current Israeli position could hardly have been presented as an American failure.

    INDEED, BY making his position publicly known, President Obama forced Mahmoud Abbas to adopt an identical stance thus rendering a move on the peace process even more difficult. The Palestinian Authority leadership negotiated with previous Israeli governments without demanding a freeze on Israeli settlements as a precondition. Once Obama declared in public that such a freeze was necessary to restart negotiations, he left Abbas no other alternative but to adopt the same position. After all, Abbas couldn’t be less demanding than Israel’s staunch ally was.

    Obama has become the White House spokesman. He appears on a daily basis to explain his policies on almost every channel, on almost every program. It is said that he is a great speaker. Indeed, he is. But the value of a singular speech or an extraordinary interview resides in its being selectively made.

    A president has to preserve his or her authority in order to be effective. The president has to discriminate as to where he appears, who he talks to, and in which stage of a political process he intervenes.

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/10/oh-snap-jerusalem-post-oped-the-us-presidency-is-being-consistently-diluted.html

    Well Thuggy hates Israel anyway.

  280. Damn…I just read my response to Elric. I want to donkey punch myself. I was briefly feeling very important, so much so I removed a rib to suck my own dick. My rib is back in place, and, while I still believe some of what I said, I am fully aware the Dead Rabbit let off some fire works in celebration of himself.

  281. Video: The rise and fall of ObamaMarketing

    A new one from Evan Coyne Maloney to accompany the news that The One is apparently unwanted these days even in … San Francisco?

    Don’t be daunted by the length: The first 6:10 is simply background shot at the height of Hopenchange fee-vah to set you up for the punchline. Skip ahead to get to the good stuff. Exit quotation: “It’s just, you know, it’s like, it’s like a Che Guevara shirt.”

  282. Typical demomarxist tactic

    Elric do you even know what a Marxist is? How does Corzine cooking the books make him a Marxist? Why don’t you at least employ some variety and use these equally meaningless monikers:

    demoassassins
    demohorticulturists
    demoandrogynists
    and of course, the dreaded
    demoWhiteSox

    🙂

  283. Putin told us to go get bent

    I think one problem is that Putin is still in the picture. I’ve kinda gotten the impression that Medvedev is saying one thing to us while behind the scenes Putin is saying another.

  284. “Thuggy” aint cutting it. Just a school girl insult, if it’s used nonstop.

    Thank you Rabbit!!! Finally some sanity from the “right” side of the debate.

    I might add that repeating time and time again that Obama wants to destroy our country also strips the right side of any credibility. Anyone who truly thinks Obama wants America to fail is a paranoid schizophrenic.

  285. I am fully aware the Dead Rabbit let off some fire works in celebration of himself.

    Hey dude sometimes you need to get the celebration started and then others will follow. 🙂

    By the way, in answer to the question you posed Elric, while I don’t talk to too many mofo’s face to face, I hope to reach as many as possible through this blog. For now, it’s the best I can do.

  286. UK MUSLIMS DEMAND: GIVE US FULL SHARIA LAW

    Well, this is no surprise to anyone who can see past the day that they are in. When the first Sharia Court was announced in the UK , I knew that Pandora’s Box had been opened.

    That Muslims in the UK would never stop pushing until they get full Sharia Law. Of course I got bashed across the Internet though, by people saying that it is no big deal. Because Jews have religious courts there as well. The big deal is that Jews are not on a worldwide jihad trying to subjugate the planet under a set of barbaric religious laws. Now look were the UK is….

    http://islaminaction08.blogspot.com/2009/10/uk-muslims-demand-give-us-full-sharia.html

    Just a matter of time

  287. Kuwaiti paper says that Syria has transferred 1/4 of its missile arsenal to Hizballah

    They could hit every part of Israel. “Kuwaiti paper: Syria transferred 1/4 of its missile arsenal to Hizbullah,” from the Jerusalem Post, October 15 (thanks to Alexandre):

    Syria has transferred nearly a quarter of its long- and medium-range missile arsenal to Hizbullah, the Kuwaiti al Jarida reported on Thursday.

    Security sources in Jerusalem told the paper that the missiles, now held by Hizbullah, could hit every part of Israel, Channel 10 reported….

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/kuwaiti-paper-says-that-syria-has-transferred-14-of-its-missile-arsenal-to-hizballah.html

    When Israel hits Iran I doubt Israel will be as kind this time when missiles come flying over from Lebanon.

  288. RE:When Israel hits Iran I doubt Israel will be as kind this time when missiles come flying over from Lebanon.

    I have the apparent secret to obtaining lasting peace in the Middle East.

    Anyone wanna guess ?

    Wait for it… waa-it for it…

    It’s called an instrument of surrender.

    Germany signed one to close WW-II in Europe.

    Japan signed one to close WW-II in the Pacific.

    Seems pretty clear to me.

    Next problem, please.

  289. Elric-

    I have accepted the fact there are many, many, Americans who do not believe there is anything inherently evil with Islam and that all Muslims mean to advance peace, love and understanding across the globe.

    But someone has to explain to me why radical Muslims are able to draw their strength from the Qur’an and just before they press the detonate button, the word “Allah” is the last one to spill over their lips.

    Then there is this question: Why do we even need a term like “Radical Muslim”?

    Regardless, Islam IS an ideology and is being used as a tool to advance an agenda.

    An Islamic world.

  290. Ben,

    By Western definition, islam is radical. In actuality, a radical muslim would be one that preaches, love, toleranance and peace towards non muslims. Mo-bomb-ed taught the opposite so that would be radical.

  291. “fundamentalist Christian”.

    Name them. Name the hordes of the 20th century following an ideology who killed innocent people with bombs strapped to their chests. David Koresh?

  292. Obama Adviser Loves Sharia
    by Robert Spencer
    10/13/2009

    Dalia Mogahed, Barack Obama’s adviser on Muslim affairs, appeared on British television last week, where she said: “Sharia is not well understood and Islam as a faith is not well understood.” How have we misunderstood Islamic law? We have associated it with “maximum criminal punishments” and “laws that… to many people seem unequal to women.” The Western view of Sharia was “oversimplified,” said Barack Obama’s adviser on Muslim affairs; most Muslim women worldwide, she said, associate it with “gender justice.”

    Here’s some gender justice straight out of the Koran, the Islamic holy book that forms the basis of Sharia. As I explain in my book The Complete Infidel’s Guide to the Koran, the Koran declares that a woman’s testimony is worth half that of a man: “Get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her” (2:282). It rules that a son’s inheritance should be twice the size of that of a daughter: “Allah (thus) directs you as regards your children’s (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females” (4:11).

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=33933

    Ben, real Americans like us are concerned about things like this. Like I said before, some people desire servitude. That includes the drones

  293. Another Minn. Muslim arrested, indicted for lying about Somali jihadi recruitment
    By creeping

    via NPR – Man Suspected Of Jihadi Recruitment Link Indicted:

    A federal grand jury formally indicted a 26-year-old medical technician from St. Paul, Minn., on Wednesday for allegedly lying to federal authorities.

    Abdow Abdow was arrested Oct. 9, but the arrest was under seal and not made public until Tuesday, when he appeared in a St. Paul federal court. An FBI spokesman said Abdow’s arrest was related to the ongoing investigation into the two dozen Somali youths who have left the United States and traveled to Somalia to join a militia there called al-Shabab. Al-Shabab is in the middle of a civil war against the transitional government in Somalia and is on the State Department’s list of terrorist organizations. Its leadership is thought to have links to al-Qaida.

    http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2009/10/15/minn-muslim-arrested-indicted/

    Minnesota hearts jihad

  294. Jihad at Temple – by David Horowitz

    The Temple Muslim Students Association is attempting to shut down the scheduled appearance of Geert Wilders on October 20. As part of its Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week, and its campaign to Stop the Campus War Against Israel and the Jews, the David Horowitz Freedom Center is sponsoring appearances by Dutch Parliamentarian Geert Wilders at Temple and Columbia universities (October 20 and 21). The Muslim Students Association has issued a statement condemning the event and calling on the Temple Administration to close it down. The MSA statement can be found at the end of this post. The David Horowitz Freedom Center statement follows:

    David Horowitz Freedom Center Response to the Muslim Students Association

    The Temple Muslim Students Association has issued a call to the Temple University administration to censor the forthcoming campus appearance of Dutch Parliamentarian Geert Wilders on the 20th of October, which is sponsored by the David Horowitz Freedom Center. The Temple administration should reject this attack on the First Amendment rights of all members of the Temple community.

    It is not surprising that the Muslim Students Association would seek to shut down the free speech of Dutch parliamentarian Geert Wilders who has been an outspoken critic of Islamic terrorists and Islamic attacks on Jews and other religions. Assaults on the First Amendment and efforts to censor critics of radical Islam are, in fact, typical of the tactics used by the Muslim Students Association, the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) and the Muslim American Society, all groups which support the jihad against the west and are part of the network created by the Muslim Brotherhood, which is the parent organization of the terrorist groups al-Qaeda and Hamas. The faculty advisor for Temple MSA is presently a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.

    http://frontpagemag.com/2009/10/16/jihad-at-temple-by-david-horowitz/

  295. islam in a nutshell

    You see Ben, this is exactly what I object to in Elric’s propaganda war. If I were to produce a video of some Christian speaking in tongues, and labeled it “Christianity in a nutshell”, all hell would break loose.

    You asked earlier, why the need for the phrase “radical Muslim” and I countered with why “fundamentalist Christian”. The point is simple. Neither Christianity nor Islam is a monolithic institution. Both religions are subject to interpretation. The man who kills an abortion doctor ‘cos God told him to is no more on the fringe than the dude who kills an infidel in the name of Allah.

    Elric takes a picture of a man praying next to a gun and calls that Islam in a nutshell. If you don’t think that is offensive to the thousands of law abiding, tax paying, decent Muslims in this country then you’ve really drunk too much koolaid.

  296. R –

    I see your point. As I understand your position, and please correct me if I don’t get it right, is one where there are Christians and Muslims “on the fringe” where they have the positions they do because that is the way they have interpreted their teachings.

    While I can dismiss the behavior of David Koresh and other like-minded “Christians” on the basis that they represent a minute minority and truly on the “lunitic fringe”. Both Christian and non-Christian can see to the bone of truth – the guy was nuts as was Jim Jones.

    Contrast their numbers, beliefs and behavior against the massive group we call “Radical Muslims: We see the Imams indoctrinating and encouraging Muslims in their Mosques to follow a path of violent Jihad against Israel, America, Jews and any state which supports them. These are not factions who disagree with McDonald’s and who side with PITA, Nope. These Muslims are organized, trained and engage in bombings, kidnappings and beheadings to advance their political agenda. The want nothing less than the destruction of Israel, the death of all Jews (yes, I say genocide) and the destruction of the Crusades; America and Great Britain. It is that simple and most of America does not understand that nor can they fathom the single-minded intent of this Islam… this ideology. In my opinion the world is staring at the biggest threat to their way of life since 1939. Seriously. Most of Europe then didn’t “get it” until it was too late an war ensued. Then, a lot of people “got it”.

    While neither Christianity nor Islam is a monolithic institution where both religions are subject to interpretation what we are seeing yet fail to grasp is different.

    In face of the evidence before me, I have a very difficult time dismissing this group simply as an Islamic “fringe”.

  297. Ben, here is where I hope there is a difference between you and Elric. Elric, in my opinion, undermines his argument by making every Muslim suspect. He has literally dismissed the entire religion. I will concede that Islam, which has gone through phases of benevolence and malevolence is in a crisis right now. You (and Elric) are right that the radical element is not negligible by any stretch. My problem is what to do about it.

    You are relatively new to this thread so I don’t know if you’ve seen Elric’s “solution”.

    1. Stop immigration of all Muslims to the US.
    2. Deport all current Muslims.
    3. Destroy all mosques in the US.

    He is not kidding. Now, do you sign up for this “solution”? As an American, I cannot. So what do we do?

    The only thing I can think of is to appeal to whatever moderate contingent of Islam that remains, and ask them to join us in the battle for hearts and minds. The fact that we don’t see moderate Muslims speak out publicly against the radical element is disturbing. That needs to change.

    Now, if we are really going to conclude that Islam is as sick to its core as Nazi Germany was, then perhaps Elric’s solution is the right one. I am not there yet.

  298. Wilders greeted in UK with signs saying “Shariah is the solution, freedom go to hell” and “Geert Wilders deserves Islamic punishment”

    Welcome to Cool Britannia! “Protesters meet Dutch far-right MP,” from the Press Association, October 16 (thanks to Tziona):

    Around 40 Muslim demonstrators gathered near the Houses of Parliament as Geert Wilders arrived in central London.

    Brandishing banners saying “Shariah is the solution, freedom go to hell” and “Geert Wilders deserves Islamic punishment”, the protesters were held back by police….
    Addressing journalists alongside UKIP peer Lord Pearson, Mr Wilders said his visit was “a victory”.

    Explaining his controversial views on Islam, he said: “I have a problem with the Islamic ideology, the Islamic culture, because I feel that the more Islam that we get in our societies the less freedom that we get.”

    Well, “Freedom Go to Hell” would indeed seem to suggest that.

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/wilders-greeted-in-uk-with-signs-saying-shariah-is-the-solution-freedom-go-to-hell-and-geert-wilders.html

    Dodger’s hope for the future

  299. RE:The only thing I can think of is to appeal to whatever moderate contingent of Islam that remains, and ask them to join us in the battle for hearts and minds. The fact that we don’t see moderate Muslims speak out publicly against the radical element is disturbing. That needs to change.

    That is the very heart of the matter. In the face of the evidence before us, we continue to look into the Muslim community for hope and for the leadership required to stop the growing insurgency.

    It should be a sobering slap in the face that it simply does not exist.

    When we wake up to that realization there is a reason for the leadership’s decision – yes, inaction is a decision – to remain quiet and inactive against this movement, this Jihad, the question remains; “So what do we do?”

    Answer: We act. We act before it is too late.

    RE:Now, if we are really going to conclude that Islam is as sick to its core as Nazi Germany was, then perhaps Elric’s solution is the right one. I am not there yet.

    Perhaps Elric has already arrived “there”. Perhaps Elric sees the writing on the wall for what it is; a deliberate and carefully orchestrated attempt to advance Islam to a global level while the kill Jews, destroy Israel, America and Britain and to end the Crusades for once and for all… of them. Perhaps Elric understands that in their eyes the Crusades never ended.

    If in 1939 you understood the danger facing pre-Nazi Germany, as a German, what would you have done? Would you try to voice your concern? Would you view those who did not “see” as dangerously asleep? How would you view those who did see some kind of danger yet chose to be lenient toward the movement? When does the talk and cow-towing end? When does the action begin? What does it take?

    America needs to wake up. Our politicians need to wake up.

    We only have to look to Europe to know why the Arab world i.e. Muslims are today calling Europe “Eurabia”.

    It’s a hint to what is coming.

    General Patton “got it”:

    General George S. Patton on the religion of Islam
    “It seems to me a certainty that the fatalistic teachings of Mohammed and the utter degradation of the Arab women are the outstanding causes for the arrested development of the Arab. He is exactly as he was around the year 700, while we have been developing.”

    Winston Churchill “got it”:

    Winston Churchill on the religion of Islam
    “The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities – but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”

    Tom Tancredo “got it”:

    The national intelligence estimates show what Islamic Fascist are planning:
    From the televised Republican primary debate held August 5, 2007, in Iowa, this question was asked of Republican presidential candidate Tom Tancredo. Last week you said that, in order to deter an attack by Islamic terrorists using nuclear weapons, you would threaten to bomb Mecca and Medina. The State Department called that “reprehensible” & “absolutely crazy.” To which he replied… Yes, the State Department–boy, when they start complaining about things I say, I feel a lot better about the things I say, I’ll tell you right now. My task as president is primarily to do one thing–not to make sure everybody has health care or everybody’s child is educated–my task is to do one thing: to protect and defend this country. And that means to deter–and I want to underline “deter”–any kind of aggression, especially the type we are threatened with by Al Qaida, which is nuclear attack. I read the national intelligence estimate. I see what they are planning. And I’m telling you right now that anybody that would suggest that we should take anything like this off the table in order to deter that kind of event in the United States isn’t fit to be president.

    Dutch parliamentarian Geert Wilders “got it”:

    It falls upon the Muslim leadership to tear out the hateful verses from the Quran. Muslims want you to make way for Islam, but Islam does not make way for you. The Government insists that you respect Islam but Islam has no repesct for you. Islam wants to rule, submit, and seeks to destroy our western civilization. In 1945, Nazism was defeated in Europe. In 1989, communism was defeated in Europe. Now, the islamic ideology must be defeated. Stop Islamisation. Defend freedom. – Fitna

    What will it take for the U.S. government and for Americans to “get it”?

  300. Ben,

    Be careful. Dodger loves using Alinsky tactics like trying to alienate yourself from people he cant stand like me. He tried it with Tex and didnt work.

    feel free attempting to debate him about islam but you wont get an honest one. Basically it comes down that he is a leftist marxist and hates religion, particularly Christianity. So to attack Christianity he needs the muslims as a poor abused minority to use to attack it.

  301. Have you ever noticed that whenever Islamic fascists protest a movie, a cartoon, a story in the press which attempts to illuminate how the Qur’an advocates, encourages and blesses violence and murder of non-believers or transgressors against Islam, the Muslim resorts to violence, death threats, murder, bombings, beheadings, etc., in the name of Islam as a way of protest?

    Whenever Muslims do this they are reinforcing the very point of the story, cartoon, movie, etc.

    And isn’t it “funny” how we have to apply the term “Moderate Muslim” to define the rest of the Muslims?

    The term shouldn’t have to exist in the first place.

    Any religion which leaves room for its spiritual leadership to preach, condone, encourage, applaud, espouse or otherwise embrace violence, beheading, murder, rape, and/or disfigurement is fundamentally flawed to its core and should be outlawed and banished from the face of this earth.

    How could anyone in their right mind associate with such teachings of the Qur’an if it allows its leadership to harbor and cultivate these values?

    The religion is so flawed that it has to have organizations such as Islam Watch to oppose intolerant teachings and hatred for unbelievers. This opposition is welcomed, but the message it hopes to advance should be coming from every cleric in the Muslim world. Simply put, that leadership does not exist.

    There are even governments in the Middle East who oppose such leadership.

  302. There is a prominent Islamic cleric and lawyer who supports extreme punishment for non-Muslims — including killing and rape.

    A question-and-answer session with Imam Abdul Makin in an East London mosque asks why Allah would tell Muslims to kill and rape innocent non-Muslims, including their wives and daughters, according to Islam Watch.

    “Because non-Muslims are never innocent, they are guilty of denying Allah and his prophet,” the Imam says, according to the report. “If you don’t believe me, here is the legal authority, the top Muslim lawyer of Britain.”

    The lawyer, Anjem Choudary, backs up the Imam’s position, saying that all Muslims are innocent.

    “You are innocent if you are a Muslim,” Choudary tells the BBC. “Then you are innocent in the eyes of God. If you are not a Muslim, then you are guilty of not believing in God.”

    Choudary said he would not condemn a Muslim for any action. “As a Muslim, I must support my Muslim brothers and sisters,” Choudary said. “I must have hatred to everything that is not Muslim.”

  303. The above illustrates how the thinking is permeating through society and getting a foothold into legal systems of other nations. Sharia Law follows which serves to usurp civil courts.

    Without action, it is simply a matter of time.

  304. Ben,

    The term “moderate” muslim is an oxymoron. islam by Western standards is radical to civilized people. In islam, the radicals are actually the moderates.

    Its to the point now that Thuggy along with the OIC is using the UN to push to silence critics of islam. Shut down free speech and the rest is easy.

    Ohh and you probably wont see Dodger comment on this anymore. He is a coward

  305. Ben, I appreciate the trouble you went to in your response. Lots of interesting quotes. (You’ve actually put in more work in one comment than Elric’s entire history here of link dropping and one-liners).

    My response, I suppose is a weak one but Islam has existed for hundreds of years and we’re all still standing, I can only hope that when Americans find the threat on a par with Nazi Germany, then we’ll do what we did with the Nazi’s. Until then, I think all we can do is work for peace, reconciliation and mutual respect. I know this does not satisfy you and Elric but the alternative is Elric’s three point solution and I don’t think you indicated if you’re ready to do that right now.

  306. Any religion which leaves room for ..

    You had me until that remark. As I said before, lots of religions “leave room for” antisocial behavior.

    Elric is close to right on one thing. I wouldn’t lose any sleep over ALL religions being abandoned. The sooner we stop praying and believing that supernatural forces influence our daily activities, the sooner we can focus on making THIS life worthwhile and stop worrying about the next one … one which we have no reason to believe even exists.

  307. RE:As I said before, lots of religions “leave room for” antisocial behavior.

    That may be true, at a very minor level, but nothing compares to the current Islamic movement. Nothing.

    Cite a passage from another religious book teaching violence and intolerance and then point to a body of people following those teachings and turning it into reality on a daily basis.

    You can’t.

    That’s the difference which should be waking people up to the fact this religion is fundamentally flawed.

    Point me to any non-Islamic religious leader who embraces the teachings of hatred and beheading and points out that to be a faithful and worthy follower they must find those who do not follow these beliefs as guilty and deserving death or be guilt of being against those teachings.

    You can’t

    That should tell you everything you need to know.

    What would we do if we had a Bible which advocated this intolerance and “justified” killing and Billy Graham got on TV every Sunday morning and encouraged us to kill non-Christians and to kill Jews and consider them to be pigs and our women were to be viewed as a possession?

    Point to any other religion which advocates that. I want to know of another religion so outrageous and fundamentally flawed to its core as Islam is.

    Show me one which comes close to Islam which is so active and so large in numbers with so many of its leaders indoctrinating and advocating “Death to America” and “Death to Freedom” and “Death to Jews”.

    You can’t

  308. Ben,

    He cant. He is a leftist drone stuck on moral realisms and multiculturalism. He just cant grasp that islam cant be significantly different in teachings and beliefs than other religions. He cracked me up with that “Well we are still standing so that makes us safe”. What a moron. Tell that to all the other religions and nations that fell under islam sword. Jackass.

  309. First they came …

    When the Nazis came for the communists, I remained silent; I was not a communist. Then they locked up the social democrats, I remained silent; I was not a social democrat. Then they came for the trade unionists, I did not speak out; I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, I did not speak out; I was not a Jew. When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me.

    The above poem was written by Martin Niemoller. He was a German pastor and theologian born in Lippstadt, Germany, in 1892.

    It underscores the danger of inaction in the face of politically motivated intolerance and oppression.

  310. Elric is close to right on one thing. I wouldn’t lose any sleep over ALL religions being abandoned. The sooner we stop praying and believing that supernatural forces influence our daily activities, the sooner we can focus on making THIS life worthwhile and stop worrying about the next one … one which we have no reason to believe even exists.

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    With Rutherford and Co. focusing on how they want to shape the world as if by their divine revelation, we can all listen to him, and Obama, and Keith and Chrissie and Rachel, and the rest of vacuous breed that Rutherford provides as standards? No thanks…

    The results I’ve seen from your suggestion Rutherford invariably lead to utter mayhem and death. Man is not capable of dictating the future or what is right as our supposed good deeds as is “filthy rags”. When man has tried to dictate terms and laws according to his own accord seeming to be right, death and destruction soon follow. We are seeing the results of your proposals as they are being actively implemented now Rutherford, though you don’t recognize simple fact (as you don’t most).

  311. Among many other source materials, I’ve read large portions of the Qur’an. It’s a relatively short book. The Bible which I’ve read fully many times over many years is a full-blown set of encyclopedias by comparison.

    I’ve read enough. I don’t need to know any more.

    Islam is what it is and nothing changes that sad fact.

  312. Tex,

    Dodger loves one religion, the State. He want the State to replace God. We know how that works out in communist nations. The thing is that his islamic allies wont allow that to happen. I dont know whats worse; allah or the State.

  313. I dont know whats worse; allah or the State.

    Wow, considering your opinion of Allah, that statement makes you pretty twisted.

    So you’d rather have the country overtaken by Sharia law than by more control of our current government. Is that what you’re saying?

  314. UK:Wilders, I Have a Problem With Islam

    Dutch politician Geert Wilders who recently had his UK ban overturned, has told it like is at his UK press conference. In the past Mr. Wilders had also stated that he wants to end Muslim immigration into the Netherlands. This man might just be the saviour of Europe.

    Protesters meet Dutch far-right MP
    Tension was high as angry protests greeted a visit to the UK by a Dutch far-right MP.

    Around 40 Muslim demonstrators gathered near the Houses of Parliament as Geert Wilders arrived in central London.

    Brandishing banners saying “Shariah is the solution, freedom go to hell” and “Geert Wilders deserves Islamic punishment”, the protesters were held back by police.

    Mr Wilders’ press conference was moved inside the Abbey Gardens building opposite the Houses of Parliament.

    Abu Muaz, from Islam For UK, said: “If I were to say some of the things he has said I would be arrested under the Terrorism Act. But because there is a war on Muslims he gets an easy ride.”

    Addressing journalists alongside UKIP peer Lord Pearson, Mr Wilders said his visit was “a victory”.

    Explaining his controversial views on Islam, he said: “I have a problem with the Islamic ideology, the Islamic culture, because I feel that the more Islam that we get in our societies the less freedom that we get.”

    http://islaminaction08.blogspot.com/2009/10/ukwilders-i-have-problem-with-islam.html

    A real leader.

  315. This just in:

    Friday, October 16, 2009
    By Stephen Clark

    Despite charges that it has tried to “infiltrate” Capitol Hill with interns, the nation’s largest Muslim advocacy group appears to have no more leverage than any other group over the internship process in Congress.

    Four House Republicans on Wednesday called for an investigation into the Council on American Islamic Relations after discovering an internal memo noting the group’s strategy of placing Muslim interns in congressional offices, specifically on three committees — Homeland Security, Intelligence and the Judiciary — that preside over national security issues.

    Earlier this year the FBI severed its once-close ties with CAIR as evidence mounted of the group’s links to a support network for Hamas, which the U.S. has designated a terrorist organization.

    —-

    For those of you who do not know about the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) :

    Senator Charles Schumer (Democrat, New York) describes it as an organization “which we know has ties to terrorism. (FDCH Political Transcripts, Sept. 10, 2003)

    Senator Dick Durbin (Democrat, Illinois) observes that CAIR is “unusual in its extreme rhetoric and its associations with groups that are suspect.”

    Steven Pomerantz, the FBI’s former chief of counterterrorism, notes that “CAIR, its leaders, and its activities effectively give aid to international terrorist groups.” – Joseph Farah, “Between the Lines: The Real CAIR“

    http://onislamicfascism.wordpress.com/2009/03/21/cair-to-know-the-truth/

  316. Extremely.

    It’s just another example that most American don’t understand the nature of this group and of Islam in general.

    Its presence in America is developing so gradually it will be well established before becoming apparent to most.

    For those paying attention, it has already happened. For those who aren’t, it’s not a problem and they will be hard pressed to ever see it as one.

    They’ll be OK with it right up to the point where their daughters are force to where a Burka before going out into public.

    Only then will they say “WTF”?

  317. Ben,

    Its the frog in the pot theory. Luckily we have Eurabia as an example of a road we dont want to head down.

    I remember watching this video from a game show in the UK. It was a reality show where Brits lived as muslims. They had a gay guy, a “slut” and some other contestants. Well the “slut” was shopping for clothes with this muslim woman and was told she had to wear this headscarf before going into this muslim neighborhood. The other woman said she didnt like wearing things on her head. The muslim woman insisted and said and I am quoting verbatim “It’s for your protection”. Now we arent talking Afghanistan or Iran but England. That my friend is a huge friggin red flag. IT’S FOR YOUR PROTECTION.

  318. UK: Muslim protesters threaten Geert Wilders: “We’ll have his head”

    Because Wilders “insulted the prophet Muhammad” — by telling the truth about him, apparently.

  319. Christian Girl Attacked For Saying She’s Pakistani
    Sunday, October 11, 2009 (8:49 am)
    By Jawad Mazhar, BosNewsLife Special Correspondent reporting from Pakistan

    There is a tiny Christian minority in Pakistan.

    There is a tiny Christian minority in Pakistan.

    DHAREMA, PAKISTAN (BosNewsLife)– A Christian schoolgirl in Pakistan’s Punjab province was recovering Sunday, October 11, after she was allegedly “ruthlessly beaten” with a bamboo stick by a Muslim headteacher for saying she is “a Pakistani” citizen.

    The bedridden Nadia Iftikhar, 11, told BosNewsLife she was seriously injured when the teacher of the local evening coaching school ‘Bright Future Academy’ in the town of Dharema got angry because she challenged her views on Islam.

    “Our teacher was teaching us about the culture of Pakistan and Pakistani people and quoted a sentence from the text book saying ‘We are Pakistani and all of us are Muslims’,” the girl recalled. “At this point I interrupted and said: “Madam, I am also a Pakistani, but not a Muslim instead I am a Christian.”

    The teacher, identified as Humaira Hassa, “got furious and grabbed a bamboo stick and started thrashing in a barbarian way and kept saying all Pakistanis are Muslim, you are not a Pakistani but a Christian,” the girl said. “Your home land is some where in Europe or America,” the teacher allegedly said.

    Nadia added showed scars of the wounds at her back. Classmates said the girl briefly became unconscious, but was eventually brought home. The teacher could not be reached for comment.

    http://www.bosnewslife.com/9431-christian-girl-attacked-for-saying-shes-pakistani

    Typical life of a non muslim in a muslim land

    Ben,

    Notice the drones never comment on all the abusive stories I post?

  320. Stoning, Caning Are Now the Law in Aceh, Local Legislator Says

    Banda Aceh. A controversial bill that includes a provision for the stoning to death of adulterers is now officially law, even without the signature of the Aceh governor, a local councilor said on Thursday.

    The draft of the Qanun Jinayat Code, a set of bylaws that replaces elements of the Criminal Code with Shariah provisions for Muslims, was endorsed by the Aceh Legislative Council on Sept. 14.

    The measures call for the stoning of adulterers and 100 lashes for anyone caught engaging in premarital sex, among its other punishments.

    The ratification of the bill has been sharply criticized by human rights activists, and Governor Irwandi Yusuf reportedly refused to sign it into law.

    Moharriadi Syafari, a councilor from the Muslim-based Prosperous Justice Party (PKS), said the main reason for the law was to “save” people in Aceh from acts not approved by religion.

    “Human rights activists should not see the Qanun Jinayat from a narrow-minded perspective, as though it breaches human rights, because basically Islamic law has a high respect for human rights,” Syafari said.

    http://thejakartaglobe.com/news/shariah-stoning-law-already-passed-in-aceh-local-legislator-says/335843

    Thuggy’s muslim adviser LOVES Sharia law

  321. RE:Notice the drones never comment on all the abusive stories I post?

    Then try replacing the word “Muslim” for “Sarah Palin”.

    This post is about her after all.

    I’m just sayin’

    🙂

  322. Hmm….. interesting point. I suppose they would naturally tend to refrain on the basis of not wanting to offend or hurt the feelings of a Muslim.

    If she were to convert, it would effectively take away any argument they have against her, however weak those arguments already are. (It’s really a diversion to divert our attention away from Obama’s mishandling of the economy.)

    I suppose it would be like naming a dog “Stay”. It drives them crazy.

    “C’mere, Stay!”

  323. Ben,

    I agree, they would embrace her even if she is still white. Her “race” would be muslims and therefore all of a sudden a downtrodden, abused, maligned minority.

  324. Speaking of downtrodden, abused, maligned:

    You might be a liberal if…

    … you feel the world is filled with pity, sorrow, neediness, misfortune, poverty, suspicion, mistrust, anger, exploitation, discrimination, victimization, alienation and injustice.

    … you identify with “workers,” “minorities,” “the little guy,” “women,” the “unemployed”, the weak, sick, wronged, cheated, oppressed, disenfranchised, exploited and victimized.

    … you believe the plight of the “victim” is not caused by failure to plan for the future or learn from their own experience? Instead, do you believe the “root causes” of the “victim’s” pain lies in faulty social conditions: poverty, disease, war, ignorance, unemployment, racial prejudice, ethnic and gender discrimination, modern technology, capitalism, globalization and imperialism

    More here (if you can handle it)
    http://rightamerican.wordpress.com/you-might-be-a-liberal-if/

  325. Muslim civil servants in Gorontalo obliged to read Koran on Friday

    The Jakarta Post , Jakarta | Sat, 10/17/2009 5:30 PM | National

    Gorontalo mayoralty administration has obliged its Muslim civil servants to read the Koran every Friday.

    Gorontalo mayor Adhan Dambea said Saturday that he was not yet satisfied with the implementation of his instruction.

    “Some civil servants are still unable to read the Koran fluently,” he said.

    He said his administration would provide religious teachers to improve the civil servant ability to read the Koran.

    However, he promised that public service would not be affected with the new Koran reading activity in his administration.

    http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/10/17/muslim-civil-servants-gorontalo-obliged-read-koran-friday.html

    Gotta Love “Moderate” Indonesia

  326. RE:Gorontalo mayoralty administration has obliged its Muslim civil servants to read the Koran every Friday.

    This should give us a clear idea about why C.A.I.R. wants to get involved with the U.S. government. Extend that line out for the years required to change the Constitution to allow for this shit in our country. Hell under Sharia Law there may not even be a Constitution.

    Indonesia’s mayor is using tax dollars to implement his Qur’an program. If there are non-Muslims left in the country, they will no doubt have any right to object to that.

    In our case it is still early in the game but make no mistake; the game is on.

  327. Pakistan: Taliban Send Letters to Christian Institutions Warning Them to Convert to Islam and pay Jizya or They’ll be Killed and Their Women Turned Into Sex Slaves….

    Gutter cult….

    Washington — International Christian Concern (ICC) has learned that on October 6, members of the Taliban sent threatening letters in Sargodha, Pakistan warning Christian leaders to convert to Islam or face dire consequences.

    A copy of the letter obtained by ICC warns Christians to convert to Islam, pay Jizya tax (an Islamic tax imposed on religious minorities) or leave the country. If Christians refuse to accept the choices given to them, the letter explains that they “would be killed, their property and homes would be burnt to ashes and their women would be treated as sex slaves. And they themselves would be responsible for this.”

    Rev. Zaheer Khan, pastor of Maghoo Memorial Church, Rev. Aamir Azeem, pastor of United Christians Church and Rev. Zafar Akhter, pastor of United Presbyterian Church each received a copy of threatening letter.

    The Islamists sent the letters to the following Christian institutions: St Peter’s Middle School, Sargodha Institute of Technology, Sargodha Catholic High School, St John’s Primary School and Fatima Hospital.

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/10/pakistan-taliban-send-letters-to-christian-institutions-warning-them-to-convert-to-islam-and-pay-jiz.html

    Mutual Respect is the cure!!!!!

  328. RE:Mutual Respect is the cure!!!!!

    Now I understand your rationale for:
    1. Stop immigration of all Muslims to the US.
    2. Deport all current Muslims.
    3. Destroy all mosques in the US.

    It’s based upon the application of mutual respect. They burn down Churches in Pakistan, kill the Christians and threaten those who they don’t kill to leave or be killed.

    In Pakistan, they already have the following policies
    1. Stop immigration of all Christians to Pakistan
    2. Deport all current Christians.
    3. Destroy all churches in Pakistan

    Now I get it.

  329. Elric and Ben, that just sounds like mutual hatred to me. In fact, kinda reminds me of the Bible … eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. But then we would never get any calls of violence from the Bible, now would we? 😉

  330. R-
    RE:eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth.

    That’s from the Old Testament and is a quotation from several passages of the Bible (Leviticus 24:19–21, Exodus 21:22–25, and Deuteronomy 19:21) in which a person who has injured the eye of another is instructed to give his or her own eye in compensation.

    At the root of this principle is that one of the purposes of the law is to provide equitable retaliation (punishment) for an offended party. It defined and restricted the extent of retaliation (punishment) in the laws of the Old Testament.

  331. Ben,

    He doesnt want to fight it. He wants to embrace islam and add it to our multicultural society. He doesnt care that islam is incompatible with freedom. But then, he is a leftist so why would he care?

  332. By his nature of wanting to right wrongs, he should. After all, Islam is a formalized and on-going hate crime in the act. It’s on the same level as the KKK. Hateful oppressors and killers of those not like them.

  333. Ben,

    Its much worse than the KKK. Average year, more people are killed in the name of islam than the KKK killed in its entire history. Not to gloss over the crimes of the KKK but to show how heinous islam is.

    Notice Dodger didnt answer your question? He wont.

  334. Here is a quote from Ayatollah Khomeini from 1942:

    “Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world…. Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers] Islam says Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us Islam says Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender to the enemy Islam says Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Koranic] verses and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.”

  335. Ben,

    And leftists like Dodger want to embrace groups like this

    Muslim World League promotes interfaith initiatives with Christians and Jews, yet publishes antisemitic materials

    This sort of thing couldn’t have anything to do with Muhammad’s dictum that “war is deceit,” could it? Naaah. To think that would be “Islamophobic.” “Jewish Leaders, Israel at Odds Over Ties With Muslim Group,” by Nathan Guttman in the Forward, October 14 (issue of October 23), with thanks to Joel:

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/muslim-world-league-promotes-interfaith-initiatives-with-christians-and-jews-yet-publishes-antisemit.html

  336. This report suggests that Europe is out of time. In it, “critics say European political correctness and multiculturalism which were suppose to embrace Muslim radicals and somehow Westernize them have seriously backfired and now Western Europe seems paralyzed by the political correctness that grips the government and the media.” fearful of being labeled as an Islamophobe.

    … and there seems to be a lack of political will to stop Muslim radicals bent on conquest.”

    “There is a rape epidemic of unveiled women in Europe.”

    Patrick John Mercer, a former infantry officer in the British Army and journalist for the BBC, is now a Conservative politician in the United Kingdom, representing the constituency of Newark in Parliament. In December 2008 Patrick was appointed as Chairman of the House of Commons Sub-Committee on Counter-Terrorism. He says Britain remains in denial and thinks Britain believes it is protected by pointless legislation.

  337. Ben,

    Very good and disturbing video. All the kaffirphobes should watch it and if they dont agree, debate it. After all, they are “intellectuals”. It should be too difficult.

    As for that rape epidemic. I think they were referring to Malmo Sweden.

  338. The Washing Times, yes, a U.S. “mainstream” news outlet, reports that Muslims reject secularism.

    Muslims such as Kamal Nawash, of the Free Muslim Coalition Against Terrorism, said the council and similar groups condemn terrorism on the surface while endorsing an ideology that helps foster extremism.

    He said the ideal of theocratic rule — the unification of church and state — is the driving force of that ideology.

    “Almost all of their members are theocratic Muslims who reject secularism and want to establish Islamic states,” said Mr. Nawash, who founded the coalition this year. “The heart of the extremism and terrorism in the Muslim world is the idea of political Islam. … Terrorism and extremism is a natural result of theocratic rule.”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/sep/30/20040930-100343-7649r/

  339. Ben,

    I think thats the biggest obstacle. These drones think islam is just a religion when in fact its a political ideology wrapped up in a cloak of a religion. islam can not be secular because its core teachings forbid it.

    Just think of it this way. You only have one islamic state that you can call secular and thats Turkey. In its own constitution it allows the military to step in if the government gets too islamic. Plus its not that secular. They have speakers everywhere calling out 5 times a day for prayer. But still, even Ataturk knew islam was a threat to the government.

  340. I see Islam on par to totalitarianism i.e. “a political system where the state, usually under the control of a single party or faction, recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life wherever feasible.”

    “Totalitarian regimes or movements maintain themselves in political power by means of an official all-embracing ideology (Islam) and propaganda (Qur’an) disseminated through the state-controlled mass media, a single party that controls the state, personality cults, control over the economy, regulation and restriction of free discussion and criticism (death to infidels), the use of mass surveillance, and widespread use of state terrorism.”

    Totalitarian should be fought no matter which cloak it adopts to cover its intent – domination.

  341. If Europe’s surrender to Islam can teach U.S. politicians – and us – anything, it will be that while we try to reject Islamic encroachment and slow yet systematic dismantling of our culture and beliefs, we will be labeled as Islamophobes, filled with prejudice and embracing discriminating policies when in fact the very characteristics of such an accusation actually describe Islam. Even as some of us recognize it for what it is, as with Britain, our politicians will nonetheless remain paralyzed by the political correctness which runs through government. It will happen that way because it is political suicide to do anything else. Because of this, I would not be surprised to see a day when political departments and policies are established which are designed to embrace Islam.

  342. Ben,

    The danger is that the drones want to import totalitarianism all in the name of multiculturalism.

    “I would not be surprised to see a day when political departments and policies are established which are designed to embrace Islam.”

    Its already happening here.

  343. Makes you feel sorry for their “plight”, doesnt it? Friggin savages.

    Palestinian TV: English is the language of the enemy

    More peace-loving peace and love from the peaceful, loving, tolerant Palestinians. “Palestinian children learn: English is the language of the enemy,” by Itamar Marcus and Nan Jacques Zilberdik for Palestinian Media Watch, October 18:

    Hamas children’s program, “Tomorrow’s Pioneers”, last week included a part in which children learned that it is important to know English because it is “the language of their enemy.”

    Following is the transcript:
    Child host: “What do you want to be in the future, Allah willing?”
    Child caller: “A teacher of the English language.”
    Host: “Why do you want to be specifically an English teacher?”
    Child: “To teach children the language of their enemy.” [Child host smiles.]
    Host: “Very nice. A great field. It is not enough for us to know our own language… We also want to study the language of our enemies, to know how to have contacts with them, and so that we can convey the message of Palestinian children…”
    Nassur: “Like me! Just like I know the Zionist enemy’s language.”
    Host: “Really?”
    Nassur: “Hebrew.”
    Host: “Okay, speak [in Hebrew].”
    Nassur: “I can’t.” [laughing].
    [Al-Aqsa (Hamas) TV, Oct. 16, 2009]

  344. Ben, I have to give you big props. You have achieved what no one else on the RL Blog has been able to achieve … and that is getting Elric to write in full sentences in his own words instead of just link dropping and giving snide one-liners.

    Congratulations. Now that there is a real dialog going on, I may learn a thing or two.

    Very interesting comment, Elric on Turkey. How do you account for their ability to resist Sharia law (if I understood your comment correctly)? What can other nations learn from Turkey to tolerate Islam but not be overrun by it?

  345. National Security Advisor commits to “Palestinian state” with “no preconditions”

    Give up terrorism? Renounce Sharia? Cut out the rocket attacks? End the suicide bombings? Stop the genocidal rhetoric? Nope. They don’t have to do a single thing. No preconditions. Let’s establish that terror base state now!

    “National Security Advisor Reiterates US Commitment to Peace, Palestinian State at ATFP Gala,” from the American Task Force for Palestine, October 16 (thanks to Pamela):

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/national-security-advisor-commits-to-palestinian-state-with-no-preconditions.html

    Seems Thuggy only gives no preconditions to our enemies.

  346. ‘Islam on Capitol Hill’: “Homosexuals Must Be Killed” (video)
    October 18, 2009 by creeping

    Remember the ‘Islam on Capitol Hill’ event in September? The segregated Islamic prayer on the Capitol Hill lawn organized by a lawyer for Islamic terrorists and an imam who stated, among other things, that he wanted to Islamize democracy.

    The same folks who found Jihadist newspapers sold at the event have released a video detailing how many Muslims in America feel about sharia law in the U.S. and homosexuality. Let’s see who steps up to defend this Muslim and which, if any, Muslim groups step up to denounce him.

  347. R-

    RE:Ben, I have to give you big props
    Thanks, but you’ve just blown my cover as a rabble-rouser. dang

    RE:Very interesting comment, Elric on Turkey. How do you account for their ability to resist Sharia law (if I understood your comment correctly)? What can other nations learn from Turkey to tolerate Islam but not be overrun by it?

    I’d like to know that as well. Elric mentioned that their constitution allows military intervention in the event religion raises its head too high. Maybe there’s a passage about Sharia Law. Crap – I think I just answered my own question; it’s the threat of military intervention.

  348. RE:Hamas TV is beyond creepy from some of the things I’ve seen. It only serves to remind us that children must be taught to hate.

    It’s not just Hamas TV, it’s the whole idea of teaching the next generation of haters and plotters and snipers and bomb makers and homicide bombers and Jew killers …. the whole nine yards. It’s enough to make you want to immigrate into Israel and “join up” and I’m not even Jewish. I guess I don’t have to be; evil is evil and needs to be removed from the planet no matter what.

    Name another “religion” on this planet that indoctrinates their children like that. In fact name another “religion” where you are born into a system of hate and can never leave for the threat of being beheaded.

  349. Elric-

    RE:Let’s see who steps up to defend this Muslim and which, if any, Muslim groups step up to denounce him.

    No Muslim will step up. No Muslim will denounce him for they would be denouncing Islam. That is also punishable by death.

  350. it’s the threat of military intervention.

    I don’t see how that explains it fully when you are dealing with an ideology that welcomes death in the name of Allah. There must be something beyond this.

  351. ‘Islam on Capitol Hill’: “Homosexuals Must Be Killed” (video)

    OK, this is gonna piss Elric off but I can’t resist. Elric, I’d wager you wouldn’t lose any sleep if two thirds of the celeb’s in that video were executed, particularly Barney Frank. 😉

    Second, since when is Johnny Mathis out? I “suspect” Johnny is as gay as the day is long but has he ever come out?

    Third and much more seriously, my paranoia makes me get very queasy when I see English subtitles on Arabic videos. I know this smacks of conspiracy wack-jobness, but it is so easy to subtitle those videos with anything the vid producer wants. I’m much more comfortable hearing the Muslims speaking in English and hanging themselves with their own words that way (which the first gentleman in the video did indeed do).

    The one problem with singling out Muslim hatred of gays is that this is one thing Islam shares with Christianity. A small but vocal percentage of Christians (fundamentalist in particular) hate, truly hate, homosexuality and feel no punishment is too severe for them. So a better case can be made against Islam by using a group that “radical Christians” don’t hate as well.

  352. R-
    RE:Third and much more seriously, my paranoia makes me get very queasy when I see English subtitles on Arabic videos. I know this smacks of conspiracy wack-jobness, but it is so easy to subtitle those videos with anything the vid producer wants. I’m much more comfortable hearing the Muslims speaking in English and hanging themselves with their own words that way (which the first gentleman in the video did indeed do).

    Agreed. We should always be wary and alert. Good call.

  353. R-

    RE:The one problem with singling out Muslim hatred of gays is that this is one thing Islam shares with Christianity. A small but vocal percentage of Christians (fundamentalist in particular) hate, truly hate, homosexuality and feel no punishment is too severe for them. So a better case can be made against Islam by using a group that “radical Christians” don’t hate as well.

    The difference which sets Islam apart from all other “religions” is that their leadership condemns the act and not the person and offers forgiveness upon the person.

    That cannot be said of the Islamic “leadership”. If they were to change their view on this issue, they would be killed in the name of Islam.

  354. “That cannot be said of the Islamic “leadership”. If they were to change their view on this issue, they would be killed in the name of Islam.”

    Told you Dodger thinks all religions alike even though Christianity condemns the sin while islam wants to stone the sinner to death

  355. “In fact name another “religion” where you are born into a system of hate and can never leave for the threat of being beheaded.”

    Thats one of the main reasons islam is as large as it it. Too many people are scared to leave.

  356. Cries of “Allah hu akbar!” and “Takbir!” were heard over and over through the entire march. “Takbir” means expansion in Arabic. Expansion of Islam .

  357. Lesser educated Muslims sometimes claim that the root word of Islam is al-Salaam,which is peace in Arabic. In fact, the root word for Islam is al-Silm, which means submission or surrender. There is no controversy about this among Islamic scholars.

    In the Netherlands, the media already subjugates itself to Islam. It refrains from publishing truth or opinions for fear of retaliation by Muslims who riot in the streets proclaiming death to Christians and Jews. The government encourages the media not to upset the Muslim segment of the population.

    Geert Wilders is a Dutch politician and leader of the Party for Freedom, a political party in The Netherlands. He already sees the willingness of his government to subjugate itself to oblige Islam. He is concerned that his government will make room for Islam in their society and the public will have to abide by its laws even if they do not believe. He sees how It has already happened in Jakarta and fights to prevent it from happening in the Netherlands.

    Muslims following Islam take a dim view of foreigners in the Middle East. They regard them as infidels who should be banished from their lands. Some even kill in pursuit of that belief.

    While they take this view for their homeland, the body of immigrant Muslims do not leave that view behind and believe that what is good for their homeland is good for their new host. They demand that the local culture and government yield to their beliefs.

    In these countries, as more and more of their values spill out of their mosques and into their streets, into the local culture and into government (see C.A.I.R.) they lose a little more of their freedom.

    Nothing, be it a religion or an ideology, should be allowed to overtake and destroy any county’s way of life, culture, language or freedom.

    Nothing.

  358. Ben,

    Though I don’t consider myself a “fundamentalist”, though nobody has ever been able to define exactly what that means as its a MSM cliche intended as pejorative, I would like to set the record straight about fundamentalism vs. homosexuality.

    The reason “fundamentalists” are so vocal in the dissent is that their opponent really is radical in nature. I normally wouldn’t invoke this name as I didn’t care for his approach or his politicization of my faith, but for once I will give the deceased man credit because nobody from the coast ever will. Concerning homosexuality and the nature of the intent, he was prophetic.

    When Jerry Falwell recognized and formed the Moral Majority back in the late 70s/early 80s, he forewarned that the gay community’s intent was to bring their lifestyle to mainstreet and normalize it. People laughed at him because at the time, when I was a younger man 25 years ago, homosexuality was still pretty much considered a perversion and a “fringe”. It may have been practiced openly in San Fran or NYC, but it considered by most people a sickness or deviancy.

    Fast forward the clock 25 years and Falwell was right in his prediction. It is amazing to me how much popular opinion has been dumbed downward like so much else in my adult life. The gay lifestyle now in essence really is considered by a large part of our country as just another alternative or choice.

    We can argue the merits of religion and its forewarnings of homosexuality. And being I believe much of the Koran a cheap imitation of the Torah, minus the mercy, it is no wonder that both the believers of Judeo Christians and Muslims would look equally in revolt at what nature clearly defines as abnormal.

    I think it an unfair assessment to link “Fundamentalist” Christians with say Saudi Arabia or Iran and Islam. “Fundamentalists are no doubt very vocal in their opposition to the homosexual lifestyle – so is the Bible and so is the innate nature of man if you’re not warped. But I have yet to see a Fundamentalist Christian wrap a rope around a gay’s neck and hang them from the crane like I witnessed on a video from Iran just a few years ago.

    It’s one thing to vocally forewarn of a sickness but quite another to kill someone for being sick.

  359. Tex-

    RE:Christians and Muslims would look equally in revolt at what nature clearly defines as abnormal. I think it an unfair assessment to link “Fundamentalist” Christians with say Saudi Arabia or Iran and Islam.

    I understand your view. In post #464, I attempted to point out the differences between Christianity and Islam by stating that Christian leadership condemns the act while Islamic leadership and the Qur’an teaches to kill the actor.

  360. This is what makes Islam so dangerous. In an Islamic society, you can literally lose your life simply because of what you believe in, or what your think, or because you choose to not follow a certain religion.

  361. “Islamic lands that were occupied by the enemies will once again become Islamic…We proclaim that we will conquer Rome, like Constantinople was conquered once, and as it will be conquered again.”
    – Ali Al-Faqir, the Jordanian Minister for Religious Endowment

  362. August 20, 2009
    Islam’s European Conquest: Is America Next?

    “Britain, birthplace of parliamentary democracy, has fallen to Islam. Oxford, once home to the likes of C.S. Lewis, now houses a giant Eastern Islamic Studies Center. If this were the only Islamic addition to Oxford, the mood would be less somber, but when Oxford citizens are forced to awake every morning to the Muslim call to prayer with the full consent of the Church of England, nothing short of conquest has taken place.”

    “Britain’s Muslim demographic is now so dominant that the British government recently began to allow Islamic civil and religious law, known as Sharia, to be enforced along side British law. ”

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/islams_european_conquest_is_am.html

  363. Sweden Democrats Lash Out Against Islam
    Jimmy Åkesson är partiledare för Sverigedemokraterna som har landsdagar i Ljungbyhed. Foto: Malin Nilsson/SR

    Updated 13:01

    With their party conference just barely over, the ultra right wing Sweden Democrats are creating headlines in Sweden again.

    In an article in Swedish tabloid Aftonbladet Jimmie Åkesson, party leader, writes that Islam is the greatest threat against Sweden since WWII.

    http://www.sr.se/cgi-bin/International/nyhetssidor/artikel.asp?ProgramID=2054&format=1&artikel=3177386

    Some Swedes get it

  364. UK: Muslim Cleric Demands Islamic Revolution Across Britain, Calls on Queen to Convert to Islam….

    Hate preacher Anjem Choudary sparked fury yesterday after calling for the Queen to become Muslim.

    He demanded an Islamic revolution across Britain.

    Choudary, 42, said Her Majesty – head of the Church of England – should convert to ensure her place in paradise.

    He also wants to see senior members of the Government switching faiths. Choudary, a key henchman of rabble rousing cleric Omar Bakri, said: “We invite everyone from the Queen, to the ministers, to the Parliament, to the aristocracy, to the ordinary person in Britain to embrace Islam.

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/10/uk-muslim-cleric-demands-islamic-revolution-across-britain-calls-on-queen-to-convert-to-islam.html

    This is what they do before they go to war. Give the enemy a chance to embrace islam first.

  365. It’s one thing to vocally forewarn of a sickness but quite another to kill someone for being sick.

    Tex, your sad attempt to defend Falwell is well …. sad. The man said we deserved 9/11 because we tolerate homosexuality, among other things. This will be Jerry Falwell’s legacy … a petty hateful man who used a tragedy that ruined more than 3000 lives as an opportunity to bash a group of people who never did him any harm.

    Falwell was prophetic but not in the way he intended. Falwell might have foreseen the acceptance of homosexuality but he did not foresee that it would happen because our nation is at its core a tolerant, kind and caring nation that ultimately believes in live and let live. Gays are more accepted now because our country has rejected Falwell’s brand of hypocritical Christianity where you love your fellow man only so long as he abides by your arbitrary rules.

  366. RE:This is what they do before they go to war. Give the enemy a chance to embrace islam first.

    No one should dismiss the importance of this statement. It isn’t just a remark.

    It is stated in the Qur’an. It is a tactic taught by Imams. It is reflected in the recent demand by Pakistan Islams made to a Christian family to convert to Islam or face Jizya, rape or even death.

  367. “Britain, birthplace of parliamentary democracy, has fallen to Islam. Oxford, once home to the likes of C.S. Lewis, now houses a giant Eastern Islamic Studies Center. If this were the only Islamic addition to Oxford, the mood would be less somber, but when Oxford citizens are forced to awake every morning to the Muslim call to prayer with the full consent of the Church of England, nothing short of conquest has taken place.”

    “Britain’s Muslim demographic is now so dominant that the British government recently began to allow Islamic civil and religious law, known as Sharia, to be enforced along side British law. ”

    Ben, the problem here is that this mixes apples and oranges. There is a center for Islamic studies at Oxford. So what? It makes sense to study stuff at a University. What is the problem with Muslim prayers? Every Harvard commencement and every Presidential inauguration has some religious invocation yet we don’t bat an eye at the imposition of Christianity on non-sectarian events.

    THEN it goes on to talk about Sharia law existing along side British law. THAT is a problem. That is where the focus of the concern should be, not on the study of Islam or the tolerance of non-violent Muslim religious rites.

  368. Notice drones dont care that muslims marching on Washington demand the death of gays?

    Where exactly did you get that idea? I simply said that Muslims share their disdain for gays with traditional Christians.

  369. RE:Oxford citizens are forced to awake every morning to the Muslim call to prayer with the full consent of the Church of England

    Don’t you see? It isn’t a benign. It’s an in-you-face affront to everyone who does not believe in Islam.

    From another angle, it would appear most American’s today have a problem with our school children reciting the Lord’s Prayer every morning before class begins (and was usually followed by the Pledge of Allegiance). In the Oxford case there isn’t an option to “opt out”.

    You shouldn’t be so eager to split hairs.

    Let me make a distinction here. I have no problem with a center for Islamic studies at Oxford, or for people in Tennessee to dance with snakes and speak in tongues. I have no problem with ceremony which invokes a nod toward a common deity to a majority of denominations, including Islam.

    I have a major, show stopping, train wreck of a problem with the broadcasting from a loud-speaker planted on a tower of Islamic teachings multiple times a day from some Imam. It’s a affront on me and what I happen to believe in – or don’t believe in.

    If American’s are to yield to objections about kids reciting the Lord’s Prayer – and I don’t recall that prayer to not include Muslims who observe the same God – then why do we yield to and wake up in the morning with the sound of an Islamic prayer?

    It’s wrong and it certainly isn’t mixing fruit.

    Regarding Sharia law, be certain you understand that you cannot have Islam and omit Sharia law. It’s like having dog hooey without the stink – the two cannot be separated.

    It is myopic and naive to believe we should focus solely on Sharia. We have to understand that while Christians are expected to keep their religious beliefs out of schools and governments, Islam want/needs/demands to do precisely the opposite.

    I have no objections against people wanting to practice their religion and participate in associated rites.

    I have a major problem when they start shoving their beliefs down our collective throats after “inviting” us to accept those values in our daily lives to where politics and all else yield to those values.

  370. Elric –

    Open for debate, I think.

    In Islam, Jesus is considered a messenger of God. Islam views Jesus as an ordinary human being who preached that salvation came through submission to God’s will and worshiping God alone. Thus, Jesus is considered in Islam to have been a Muslim, as with all prophets in Islam.

  371. Ben,

    You need to check out what islam says about Issa during the islamic End of Days.

    Besides, to accept that allah is God is to accept that Mo-bomb-ed was indeed a prophet of God and that islam is superior to Christianity which I will never do.

    Either Mo-bomb-ed was a sham artist or allah was actually Satan. He certainly was not the Christian God.

  372. I have a major problem when they start shoving their beliefs down our collective throats after “inviting” us to accept those values in our daily lives to where politics and all else yield to those values.

    I don’t disagree with a single thing you’ve said here. I didn’t realize the prayers were broadcast over loud speakers. That, under any religion, is disturbing the peace.

  373. How one Islamic reformer met with clerical resistance and a fatwa calling for his beheading

    I discussed the Islamic reforms of Syed Ahmad Khan in my 2003 book Onward Muslim Soldiers. His life, as this retrospective shows, illustrates why there are so few Islamic reformers, and the enormous difficulties they face. “How the clergy wanted Sir Syed beheaded,” by Arif Mohammed Khan in the Times of India, October 19 (thanks to Mohan):

    Sir Syed Ahmad Khan was the first Muslim voice of reform in India. He emerged on the scene at a time when Indian Muslim society was sunk in obscurantism and inertia and showed no desire to struggle out of its medieval grooves. The unwholesome influence of clergy had made them view modern education as incompatible with and hostile to religion.

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/how-one-islamic-reformer-met-with-clerical-resistance-and-a-fatwa-calling-for-his-beheading.html

  374. Francis Edward Peters is Professor Emeritus of Middle Eastern and Islamic Studies and History at New York University has this to say:

    The three great faiths called Judaism, Christianity, and Islam were born of an event that each remembers as a moment in history, when the One True God appeared to an Iron Age sheik named Abram and bound him in a covenant forever. Abram is the later Abraham, the father of all believers and the linchpin of the faith, and indeed the theology, from which the three communities of that God’s worshipers emerged.

    All three religions claim to be monotheistic, worshiping an exclusive God, though known by different names.

    All three religions affirm one personal eternal God who created a contingent universe, who providentially rules history, who sends prophetic and angelic messengers and who reveals the divine will through inspired Scriptures. They also affirm that obedience to this creator God is to be lived out historically, and that one day God will unilaterally intervene in human history on the day of judgment and will determine for all humanity their eternal destinies of heaven or hell based upon a person’s beliefs and actions.

    Islam accepts that God revealed guidance for Jews and Christians and then adds their own preceived revelations in their scripture.

    All three religions affirm one personal eternal God who created a contingent universe, who providentially rules history, who sends prophetic and angelic messengers and who reveals the divine will through inspired Scriptures.

    For Jews, Abraham is, through Isaac and Jacob, the founding patriarch of the Children of Israel. Abraham is primarily a revered ancestor or patriarch.

    Christians view Abraham as an important exemplar of faith, and a spiritual, as well as physical, ancestor of Jesus.

    For Muslims, Abraham is a prophet, the “Friend of God” who stands in the line from Noah to Muhammad to whom Allah gave revelations.

    I think it is clear, at least to me, the God for these three religions is one and the same.

  375. RE:Dallas Area Muslims Play the Victim Card

    Of course they do. It’s the same tactic under a different veil used by the left when they slam Glenn Beck or other messengers carrying content. It’s a diversion; it’s a feign; a canard.

    It is a tool used by both camps which is designed to turn the debate away from the central thinking and to direct it toward another aspect designed to show victimization in an attempt to nullify the central point; to invalidate it.

  376. Case in point:

    White House Steps Up Fox News Attacks

    Obama administration officials take the airwaves again, accusing Fox News of not being a real news network

    How absurd can this administration be?

  377. “I think it is clear, at least to me, the God for these three religions is one and the same.”

    Really? Why would the God of the Jews and Christian demand that muslims conquer and enslave them if it were the same god?

    Why would God have his son come back to crush the cross and lead a war against non muslims?

    Sorry, no way in hell its the same god.

  378. If he’s going to go down that embryonic line of thinking, he’s going to have to include New York Times for its lack of investigative reporting on ACORN or any other media outlet not “in the tank.”

    I have to look to a 4 year old throwing a tantrum in the candy isle to see comparable immaturity.

    What a joke of a president. His hubris stinks up the office.

  379. RE: Really? Why would the God of the Jews and Christian demand that muslims conquer and enslave them if it were the same god?

    Why would God have his son come back to crush the cross and lead a war against non muslims?

    Sorry, no way in hell its the same god.
    —–

    It’s their interpretation. It’s Muhammad. Muslims consider him the restorer of the uncorrupted original monotheistic faith.

    Again, all three religions point to the same deity but the teachings by the leadership of these religions differ. It is taught that the Qur’an was written by Muhammad who advocates adults marrying 9 year old little girls. Clearly, he was a few nails short of a swing-set, but nonetheless, the teachers of that culture had no problems wrapping their heads around these concepts.

    So you should see; same God; different cultural beliefs and influence upon early writings, different outcome. You can say that about all three.

  380. “It is taught that the Qur’an was written by Muhammad who advocates adults marrying 9 year old little girls.”

    Actually the quran is just a copy of the Umm al-Kitab which was written by allah, not Mo-bomb-ed. Mo just transcribed what was passed down when he got his visits from a demon.

  381. With the exception of all the violence, I find a lot of what Elric has to say about Mohammed very similar to Joseph Smith who “founded” Mormonism. Smith was by many accounts a con artist. And the Mormons are famous for polygamy and if I’m not mistaken, pretty young brides too.

    So Elric, if the Mormons started threatening global dominance, would you have the same reaction to them that you have to Islam?

  382. Elric: “Actually the quran is just a copy of the Umm al-Kitab which was written by allah, not Mo-bomb-ed. Mo just transcribed what was passed down when he got his visits from a demon.”

    The bolded portion above is historically incorrect.

    Muhammad did not write down 1 word of what he said was told to him by Gabriel/God.

    The Koran was written down after the death of Muhammad, based on oral traditions, and finally standardized by the third caliph, Uthman, after there were too many different versions springing up. (which is the exact same reason the Bible was standardized in the 4th-Century)

  383. “So Elric, if the Mormons started threatening global dominance, would you have the same reaction to them that you have to Islam?”

    Sure would. Not sure how much intolerance and violence towards non believers the Book of Mormon teaches. And as for the polygamy, they did renounce it decades ago unlike islam. Funny how Mormons still get the bad rap for polygamy but islam doesnt.

  384. On the global dominance vein, the other day I read that as of 2004 the number of radical Muslims in the worlds was estimated to be around 6 percent.

    As of 2000 it was estimated there were 1,902,095,000 billion Muslims worldwide.

    If it’s still 6 percent (factor in Predator kills and homicide bombings + plus new kids), that would mean there are 114,125,700 “radical” Muslims with really crappy attitudes.

    All they need to be globally effective is a competent leader. Maybe they have that now which means I’m underestimating competency.

    Would 114,125,700 be enough of an army to threaten global dominance?

    As of 1999, China’s army was estimated to be at 2.8 million people.

  385. Glad you could latch onto something DOIAD.

    True. Mo-bomb-ed was indeed illiterate and did have it transcribe by others. He excelled in other areas like killing non muslims, taking slaves and marrying little girls. No time to learn how to read and write.

  386. Elric: “Mo-bomb-ed was indeed illiterate and did have it transcribe by others.”

    This is debatable, as there is no historic support for that.

    Others may have written some of what he said down, and some of those passages may have made it into the final product. But oral communication was the primary source of information at that time. Which is why so many different versions came about. It’s like the child’s game Post Office. The farther you go from the source of the spoken word, the more it can get garbled from the original message.

    (which is not to say that I think the Koran doesn’t say what Muhammad said or believed, so don’t take that as any kind of intended defense, Elric. I am simply speaking to the historic facts of the period and culture.)

    (Also, this will be my last comment in this post. I only jumped in to see why people were commenting in an old conversation. These big comment strings take me too long to load)

  387. Whether he said them all or not doesnt really matter now. muslims take it to heart and there is a global jihad because of it. He was or was painted as a nasty guy and doesnt seem to bother the islamic world one bit.

    These long threads do take long to load sometimes. Not allowed to mention the islam word on any other thread. 🙂

  388. And as for the polygamy, they did renounce it decades ago unlike islam

    If I’m not mistaken, they renounced it when the Fed threatened to revoke their religious tax exemption … strictly a financial decision. And despite that, it still goes on today, albeit without official sanction.

  389. Rutherford,

    Falwell was prophetic but not in the way he intended. Falwell might have foreseen the acceptance of homosexuality but he did not foresee that it would happen because our nation is at its core a tolerant, kind and caring nation that ultimately believes in live and let live. Gays are more accepted now because our country has rejected Falwell’s brand of hypocritical Christianity where you love your fellow man only so long as he abides by your arbitrary rules.

    As you may or may not be aware, at my core I find you a fool. While I appreciate your use of the blog and find some of your writing interesting, for the most part I know you do not understand the truth. I don’t believe you ever will until too late.

    Your false sense of piety you frequently bestow on most us, it is quite obvious to me that truth means little to you. I don’t defend Falwell’s comments concerning 9/11 in the least. There is a time and season for everything under the sun and that time was not it. I even went so far as to disagree with Falwell’s publicizing of religion. But just as I predicted of you as you seldom disappoint, all you provide in your condemnation of Falwell is the Bill Maher and Keith Olbermann talking points from the left. Not only are your pat answers most always shallow, but hardly original. I don’t believe you have many original thoughts as the few times I have turned on MSNBC or something other of a leftist bent, they begin to sound like you or vice versa.

    I simply state the obvious fact that Falwell was correct in his assessment that the gay lifestyle would be socially normalized, even celebrated, ignoring the obvious consequences both present and past. In the last 30 years, America has become more crass, more vulgar, more ugly. Teenage suicide is becoming more and more prevalent, morality and shame a thing of the past, anger reaching a climax. One only has to drive in anytown traffic, or take a stroll through a ghetto to realize the world is full of rage. Yet you, a name dropping Harvard educated man believing himself of great intellect, show little regard to how your country is rotting from within. It does not surprise me as I know you a lost sheep and little man. You are more blind that the first day I conversed with you. But it does surprise me that your not more cognizant of the obvious facts.

  390. And of course Tex, we can blame the rotting America in all its crassness on the acceptance of homosexuality.

    Just for laughs I’d love to have a liberal gay Muslim move next door to you just to watch your head explode. 🙂

  391. Tex,

    Plus the fact that Christianity teaches “Love the sinner, not the sin”. Unlike islam where its hate the sin, stone the hell out of the sinner”

  392. Ah Rutherford,

    And of course Tex, we can blame the rotting America in all its crassness on the acceptance of homosexuality.

    Not quite. The acceptance of homosexuality is not the real cause of the crassness, but simply a symptom of many lost souls such as yourself, failing to recognize there is a right and there is a wrong (besides the wrong of being Conservative and/or Christian and not worshiping at the altar of Obama; the most horrific of sins in your tradition). I can understand your lack of faith. But I can not fathom your ignorance of basic anatomy. As you near 50, I picture still hammering the round peg into the square hole.

    If your zeal to become liked and accepted by your equally lost lefty friends screeching their misuse of tolerance which most don’t even understand, you have lost sight of the fact for their first to be “love” and “acceptance”, there must first be truth. Being you don’t recognize the truth, your skewed conclusions are to be expected.

    What you fail to realize is that your own actions are not a sign of love or even tolerance, but one wrapped in adding to the destruction under the guise of tolerance. You’re no different than those when met by the morbidly obese, offers up another Baby Ruth to signify your righteousness. 😛

  393. Today we live in a society were everyone can just about do whatever they want without fear of persecution in most cases. You still can’t yell “Fire” in a crowded theater, although I’m certain there are some yahoos out there who want to.

    Over time we have diluted our values to the point where we don’t appear to want to stand for anything. The motto seems to be “do whatever you want, but just don’t get any of it on me.” We have bred a population that chants the “diversity” and “whatever floats your boat” mantra.

    When you look over the pond to Spain, France, Poland, Norway, Germany, etc.certain images of culture and values fly into view unique to those countries.

    When you look at America today what do you see? Is it a society formed by certain values brought forth from religious beliefs or is it a society where anything goes? What impact do immigration policies have on the nation’s voting base? Who benefits?

    After another 50 years, when those in Europe look over the pond to us, I wonder what images of culture and beliefs will fly into their view.

    Just wondering.

  394. “After another 50 years, when those in Europe look over the pond to us, I wonder what images of culture and beliefs will fly into their view.”

    I know what values and beliefs they will have

  395. I know what values and beliefs they will have

    Wouldn’t have anything to do with crawling to Mecca, would it? They appear to be well on their way to wailing to Hajj if you ask me.

  396. Ben,

    Global climate scam indeed!

    As our great poet Brother “R” blathers on about how we America have ruined the climate to burned like toast, Brotha “R” sits with ass plastered to a snowball in October. Since we aren’t burning up anymore, therefore we must be freezing to death.

    And if you are to believe in the credibility of these manmade climate change flimflams, that my friends is the definition of clinical insanity. Like Densico… 🙂

  397. A “growing number” of U.S. and European jihadists attending jihad camps in Afghanistan and Pakistan

    “Flow of terrorist recruits increasing: Westerners attending camps in Pakistan and Afghanistan despite successful U.S. strikes,” by Craig Whitlock for the Washington Post, October 19 (thanks to all who sent this in):

    BERLIN — Midway through a propaganda video released last month by a group calling itself the German Taliban, a surprise guest made an appearance: a cleanshaven, muscular gunman sporting the alias Abu Ibrahim the American.

    The gunman did not speak but wore military fatigues and waved his rifle as subtitles identified him as an American. The video contained a stream of threats against Germany if it did not withdraw its troops from the NATO-led mission in Afghanistan. Although the American’s part in the film lasted only a few seconds, it has alarmed German and U.S. intelligence officials, who are still puzzling over his background, his real identity and how he became involved with the terrorist group.

    U.S. and European counterterrorism officials say a rising number of Western recruits — including Americans — are traveling to Afghanistan and Pakistan to attend paramilitary training camps. The flow of recruits has continued unabated, officials said, in spite of an intensified campaign over the past year by the CIA to eliminate al-Qaeda and Taliban commanders in drone missile attacks.

    Since January, at least 30 recruits from Germany have traveled to Pakistan for training, according to German security sources. About 10 people — not necessarily the same individuals — have returned to Germany this year, fueling concerns that fresh plots are in the works against European targets….

    Read it all.

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/a-growing-number-of-us-and-european-jihadists-attending-jihad-camps-in-afghanistan-and-pakistan.html

    gee should we be worried? Should we even be asking why Western muslims feel compelled to wage jihad against the West?

  398. After jihad terror arrest, Dallas Muslims pledge new cooperation with FBI, anti-terror programs in mosques — no, wait…

    Actually they’re whining about a “backlash” — something that has hardly ever materialized despite constant mainstream media focusing upon it after virtually every jihad arrest — and claiming victim status.

    Memo to Dallas Muslims: want to make sure there is no backlash? Here are some easy steps.

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/after-jihad-terror-arrest-dallas-muslims-pledge-new-cooperation-with-fbi-anti-terror-programs-in-mos.html

  399. Minority Hindus attacked again in Ahmedabad’s Shahpur
    By our correspondent
    Ahmedabad DeshGujarat, 18 October, 2009

    Minority Hindus were attacked again by Muslims in Ahmedabad’s Shahpur area, this time on Diwali.

    According to sources, the minority Hindu people in Shahpur’s Nagorivad and Ghanchi na dela locality were enjoying crackers on Diwali night when they were attacked by Muslims of Nagorivad. Muslims – Mohammad Saijad Mohammad Hissain Luhar, Nadim Lukman Luhar, Mohammad Nazeer Aslam Nagori, Farhan Faruk Nagori, Isfakbhai Nagori. According to sources, the Muslims first objected firing of crackers and then start attack on Hindus. Heavy stone pelting on both sides following this invited police to intervene. Police have detained five Muslims in this case.

    http://deshgujarat.com/2009/10/18/minority-hindus-attacked-again-in-ahmedabads-shahpur/

  400. Lawyer Calls Turkish Christians’ Trial a ‘Scandal’
    Barbara G. Baker
    Compass Direct News

    October 20, 2009

    SILIVRI, Turkey (CDN) — After three prosecution witnesses testified yesterday that they didn’t even know two Christians on trial for “insulting Turkishness and Islam,” a defense lawyer called the trial a “scandal.”

    http://www.crosswalk.com/news/religiontoday/11610031/

    Good ‘ol “secular” Turkey

  401. West Java, the construction of the Catholic church of Saint Mary blocked

    Two years ago the go ahead was granted by local authorities, who have now stopped the project over alleged “irregularities”. The Christian community speaks of an excuse and leaves the matter in the hands of a lawyer. “It may take up to 10 years to get permission to build a church in Indonesia, only to have it retracted under pressure from Islamic movements”.

    http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=16637&size=A

    “Moderate” Indonesia

  402. Muslim protester assaults Tony Blair inside Palestinian mosque

    “You know, he made his protest and that’s fair enough,” said Blair. “I think it’s important for you guys as well to not always mistake the protest for the general view of the whole population.” Of course. The vast, vast majority dearly want peace, eh?

    “Protester assails Blair in Palestinian mosque,” from Reuters, October 20 (thanks to all who sent this in):

    HEBRON, West Bank, Oct 20 (Reuters) – Bodyguards subdued a Palestinian man on Tuesday as he approached Middle East envoy Tony Blair, shouting “You are a terrorist.”

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/muslim-protester-assaults-tony-blair-inside-palestinian-mosque.html

    Thought mosques were all peaceful and stuff

  403. Wafa Sultan: Allah’s Apostate Cassandra

    On Tuesday, October 13, 2009, an ominous interim decision was reached in the case of 17 year- old Sri Lankan native, and Christian “apostate” from Islam, Rifqa Bary. Rifqa fled her Ohio community—notably, the radicalized mosque she was compelled to attend, which revealed and condemned her apostasy. She sought refuge in Orlando, Florida, when Muhammad Bary, Rifqa’s father threatened to murder the young Muslim woman apostate—the consensus draconian punishment for “unrepentant” apostasy from Islam sanctioned by all major schools of Islamic jurisprudence, Sunni and Shiite alike, to this day. (For irrefragable examples, see these contemporary Sunni rulings by Al Azhar University, in Cairo, Egypt, the Mufti of Lebanon, and IslamonLine [here; here], website of the mainstream, immensely popular Muslim Brotherhood cleric, and Al Jazeera personality Yusuf al-Qaradawi, as well as this Shiite legal opinion published in Kayhan International, an official organ of the Islamic Republic of Iran).

    Pending determination of her parent’s immigration status—extant public access documentary evidence revealed by investigative journalist par excellence Pamela Geller indicates they are illegal aliens—Florida judge Daniel Dawson has ordered that Rifqa Bary be returned to Ohio under the jurisdiction of an Ohio court.

    It is a bitter irony that Tuesday, October 13, 2009 also marked the US release of Syrian-born psychiatrist Wafa Sultan’s book “A God Who Hates”—the vigorously argued jeremiad written by our era’s most courageous and insightful secular Muslim woman. Sultan is currently forced to lead a clandestine existence here in America, due to the repeated, ongoing death threats she receives for her own “apostasy,” including those “inspired” by a Yusuf al-Qaradawi appearance on Al-Jazeera television when he proclaimed, “…this woman had the audacity to affront all that is sacred—the entire Islamic nation, its past, its present, and its future. She had the audacity to affront the Prophet, the Koran, and Allah. She even said that Allah prattles in the Koran. She did not omit anything sacred.”

    http://www.andrewbostom.org/blog/2009/10/20/wafa-sultan-allah%E2%80%99s-apostate-cassandra/

  404. More “Asian Youthes”

    Via Daily Mail:

    A white pupil was battered with a hammer at a school where politically correct teachers were afraid to deal with racial tensions, the High Court heard yesterday.

    Henry Webster, 15, suffered a fractured skull and brain damage after being set upon by a gang of Asian youths.

    …The family’s lawyers told the court a ‘culture of racist bullying and harassment’ built up around a 30-strong gang called the ‘Asian Invasion’.

    Teachers were too anxious about being seen as bigoted to intervene, but white pupils were branded ‘racist’ by the acting headmaster and given harsher punishments.

    Only two of the attackers were identified in the story they are:

    Wasif Khan, 18, and Amjad Qazi, 19.

    Why is it that opposing racism against whites has suddenly become racist?

    On the news this morning Hampton’s Homecoming queen had backed off her statements, I wondered why.

    Why is it expected and excused for people of color to behave in a racist manner while whites are expected to always be color blind. As American Thinker points out NikoleChurchill is actually Asian-Italian not Caucasian.

    http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/199313.php

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