The Folly of Nation Building: Terrorism is a Law Enforcement Issue

We’ve all heard the phrase “the war on terror” so long now that we just accept it. “Let’s stop them over there before they come over here” is the other slogan that gets bandied about. Even I was among the gang that said Afghanistan was the “right war” and Iraq was the wrong one.

I am now rethinking that evaluation. First, let’s examine the phrase “over there”. Where is that exactly? None of the 9/11 hijackers were Afghan nationals and they received the critical training they needed right here in the United States. There are terrorist cells all over the world. How many countries are we going to occupy in the effort to stop them “over there”?

More importantly, why do we need “war” to stop terrorism? The latest slew of Jihadist wanna-be’s were all stopped using good old fashioned intelligence, local law enforcement and the FBI. No soldiers had to die. No witnesses had to be tortured. Terrorist organizations are not strictly hierarchical so the notion that killing “the leaders” in their native countries will stop the lower level operatives is naive at best. No matter how many bad guys we kill in Afghanistan and Pakistan, we will remain vulnerable here at home without solid law enforcement.

As we try to “stop them over there”, we find ourselves with mission creep. We’ve installed a shaky democracy in Iraq and supported a downright corrupt government in Afghanistan. In Afghanistan we have  a country essentially left behind by history. The running joke is you can’t “bomb them back into the stone age” … they are already there. We have a tribal society there in no way prepared for democracy. Yet we seem lately to be pursuing a mission of remaking every perceived hostile country over in our own image.

The fact is Afghanistan is not going to fly military jets over the Atlantic ocean to bomb us. We have absolutely no business being at war with them. Terrorism is a crime, it is not an act of war. The way to fight terrorism here at home is with solid cooperative efforts from the FBI and local law enforcement. Recent events bear this out.

We have enough problems with our nation. We don’t need to be building any others.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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435 thoughts on “The Folly of Nation Building: Terrorism is a Law Enforcement Issue

  1. “over there” means where ever we think 9/11 suspects are, which is “over there” in Afghanistan. I think the question is obvious and the next sentence, “here are terrorist cells all over the world. How many countries are we going to occupy in the effort to stop them “over there”?” is awkward (not the right word, I know), because countries in Europe have the resources to capture terrorists.

    I agree with your overall point that local law enforcement is the way to prevent future attacks. Like I wrote before, just leaving a country in shams will cause more resentment and hatred towards the US making them more likely to by into the terrorist propaganda.

    We’re there now and I don’t see us leaving anytime soon. Though I get the point about top terrorist leaders, removing them causes disorganization among the group and weakens them.

    And how could you say that we supported Afghanistan and then suggest we’re at war with them? We’re in Afghanistan to catch terrorists that have moved into that region. Though, it’s really all speculation whether Bin Laden is even alive. But, the government must have some kind of information. Especially since if they didn’t it’d come out sooner or later and damage Obama’s credibility.

  2. Can somebody out there besides Sensico decipher for me what she just wrote? I must be suffering from information overload, because I’ll be damned if I understood exactly what point was being made. 😦

    I feel like I just traveled around the world, but never left home.

  3. Tex, came you just give your opinion on the post and see if I disagree with you and then you’ll pretty much figure out what I meant lol
    I tried to make several points since I know I’ll offline soon.

  4. Rutherford,

    I do agree that we need to take a very critical and long look at nation building. President Bush originally ran on “no nation building” platform. What happened? Some how neo-conservative foreign policy has become so ingrained that both parties seem to espouse the view.

    It was an utter failure in Gaza and a stain on Bush in my opinion. Hamas was legally elected!

    The goal of democracy in Iraq made what I believe an unavoidable war an absolute bitch. The Rabbit can only wonder how different things could have been if the CIA made a sweet deal with some ambitious Ba’athist underling. The wasps nest would have been intact, the Muqtada al-Sadre Shi’a dickheads nullified.

    Afghanistan does not need be a democracy. They are ignorant savages. Making democracy work over there is like going to the home planet of Ridly Scot’s “Alien” and passing literature on natural rights and democracy and expecting it to take root.

    All of that being said, it is insane to think law enforcement has what it takes to combat a world wide jihadist movement. You may not think it is a war, but Al Queda does. When Sunni extremists sent the Soviet Union packing in ’87, the jihadists were not firing their weapons in the air screaming “Thank You CIA for sting ray missiles!” Instead they thanked Allah for the power to take down an empire. This, in returned, emboldened these bastards to take on the other one, us!

    Secondly, while a cat and mouse game will go on for the next hundred years between the FBI and cells hell bent on blowing American arms and legs off within our borders, there are also assholes trying, as we speak, to set up a caliphate within a country armed with nuclear weapons. A Taliban front came only 100 miles from a Pakistani nuclear facility this summer, a nation that already has jihadist sympathizers in all facets of its military and intelligence agencies.

    A power vacuum can not be allowed to exist in central Asia or the Middle East. The FBI obviously can’t take on an army of 5,000 jihadists. The Rabbit believes that armies of 5000 Taliban types will just about have to be annually decimated by American forces for decades.

    The stakes are too high. Mushroom clouds and 20 million deaths in America is a reality. If you let the inmates run the asylum “over there” it could end up being Mad Max “over here”. These people want to kill all of us…at once.

  5. DR,

    Its more than that. Dodger has no concept of who the enemy is. This isnt some crimes committed by a few misunderstanders. Its a global effort to plant the flag of islam around the globe. And they will do it any way possible.

  6. DR, thanks for the thoughtful comment, My ‘puter seems to be getting attacked tonight (lots of Norton warnings popping up) and my email is down, so I’m gonna turn the darn machine off and go to bed.

    I’ll be back sometime tomorrow, PC Gods willing, to further engage.

  7. Let’s take a moment to remember why we went to Afghanistan. And as you read the words, ask yourself, “what has changed since then?”

    Americans have many questions tonight. Americans are asking: Who attacked our country? The evidence we have gathered all points to a collection of loosely affiliated terrorist organizations known as al Qaeda. They are the same murderers indicted for bombing American embassies in Tanzania and Kenya, and responsible for bombing the USS Cole. Al Qaeda is to terror what the mafia is to crime. But its goal is not making money; its goal is remaking the world–and imposing its radical beliefs on people everywhere. The terrorists practice a fringe form of Islamic extremism that has been rejected by Muslim scholars and the vast majority of Muslim clerics–a fringe movement that perverts the peaceful teachings of Islam. The terrorists’ directive commands them to kill Christians and Jews, to kill all Americans, and make no distinction among military and civilians, including women and children.

    This group and its leader–a person named Osama bin Laden–are linked to many other organizations in different countries, including the Egyptian Islamic Jihad and the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan. There are thousands of these terrorists in more than 60 countries. They are recruited from their own nations and neighborhoods and brought to camps in places like Afghanistan, where they are trained in the tactics of terror. They are sent back to their homes or sent to hide in countries around the world to plot evil and destruction. The leadership of al Qaeda has great influence in Afghanistan and supports the Taliban regime in controlling most of that country. In Afghanistan, we see al Qaeda’s vision for the world.

    Afghanistan’s people have been brutalized–many are starving and many have fled. Women are not allowed to attend school. You can be jailed for owning a television. Religion can be practiced only as their leaders dictate. A man can be jailed in Afghanistan if his beard is not long enough. The United States respects the people of Afghanistan–after all, we are currently its largest source of humanitarian aid–but we condemn the Taliban regime. It is not only repressing its own people, it is threatening people everywhere by sponsoring and sheltering and supplying terrorists. By aiding and abetting murder, the Taliban regime is committing murder.

    And tonight, the United States of America makes the following demands on the Taliban: Deliver to United States authorities all the leaders of al Qaeda who hide in your land. Release all foreign nationals, including American citizens, you have unjustly imprisoned. Protect foreign journalists, diplomats and aid workers in your country. Close immediately and permanently every terrorist training camp in Afghanistan, and hand over every terrorist, and every person in their support structure, to appropriate authorities. Give the United States full access to terrorist training camps, so we can make sure they are no longer operating. These demands are not open to negotiation or discussion. The Taliban must act, and act immediately. They will hand over the terrorists, or they will share in their fate.

    While democracy or nation-building may not be the answer, the answer must not include any option where the Taliban is left strong enough to fill the resulting power vacuum when we leave.

    Those are some bad boys.

  8. Dems Send Letter to Honduran Leaders Expressing Support for Ousted Chavez -Puppet Manuel Zelaya, Claim GOP Represents the “Minority”….

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/10/dems-send-letter-to-honduran-leaders-expressing-support-for-ousted-chavez-puppet-manuel-zelaya-claim.html#comments

    Dodger supports the marxist too. So how long before Thuggy packs up TOTUS and heads down to Honduras tp personally demand his marxist ally be reinstated? Given his miserable failure with the Olympics, might not be a bad idea. 🙂

  9. (The Hill)- A State Department spokesperson on Friday signaled the president’s mandate that Iran has two weeks to permit inspections of its recently unveiled uranium refinement plant was not “written in stone.”

    “I don’t think that there’s a hard-and-fast deadline,” State Department Spokesperson Ian C. Kelley said during Friday’s press briefing, after a reporter asked what the consequences of Iran’s inaction might be

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/10/obama-iran-has-two-weeks-to-let-inspectors-into-qom-nuke-plant.html

    Even Dhimmi Carter was tougher. Well we can see why the world wanted this weak POS.

  10. “THE BOMBA hasn’t accomplished a damn thing of substance, the economy is continuing to crater, we’re starting to lose a war in Afghanistan, there is more domestic turmoil than Bush ever could have dreamed, race relations are going backward, THE BOMBA improved our relationships with the world so much that Scotland spit in our face and let an international terrorist go home to a warm welcome, the stimulus obviously isn’t working, Russia and China are laughing at our standing with lectures from Putin about the evils of socialism, our debt has quadrupled, etc… etc… etc….”-Tex

    I had to quote this again in the new thread. So far, I swear I can totally objectively make the claim Obama has been a complete joke as a president.

    The only logical response any liberal can give me is that while the first year has been a complete failure, it’s only a year.

    But, I swear he has failed at everything. EVERYTHING.

    Even the Russians duped him. Putin’s puppet gave lip service about a hard line on Iran, making Obama look like he made the right call when he back stabbed Poland and the Ukraine….for two days. Then Putin himself dropped the bomb shell…status quo on Iran.

  11. I demand Rutherford explain sensico’s point. The lady consistently and constantly makes no sense.

    I have read her response 3 times.

    I defy anyone to bullet point her thesis.

    When she utter’s complete nonsense, she needs to be called out.

    I find it more then annoying that Rutherford gives her this free pass.

    if I wrote something so jumbled, every conservative here would be ripping me to shreds, as they do when I write something they don’t agree with.

    Rutherford…explain sensico. If you can’t, then you see why we find it so exasperating that liberals here don’t ever say to her, “WTF?”

  12. “I find it more then annoying that Rutherford gives her this free pass.”

    More annoying than giving Thuggy a free pass on his destruction of the US?

  13. Tall tale of the day: The First Lady’s weird Olympic memory
    By Michelle Malkin • October 2, 2009 11:03 PM

    From Michelle Obama’s failed pitch to the International Olympic Committee:

    “Some of my best memories are sitting on my dad’s lap, cheering on Olga and Nadia, Carl Lewis, and others for their brilliance and perfection.”

    Um. Ew. Oof.

    Mrs. Obama was 20 years old when Lewis first competed in the Olympics in 1984.

    Senior White House adviser and Chicago slumlord overseer Valerie Jarrett promised earlier this week that “there wouldn’t be a dry eye in the room” after FLOTUS spoke.

    She probably wasn’t expecting tears of…laughter.

    Mrs. O is looking more and more like Mrs. Clinton every day.

    http://michellemalkin.com/2009/10/02/quote-of-the-day-the-first-ladys-tall-olympic-tale/#comments

    LMAO

  14. The Olympic ObamaBear – Now Available on oBay
    Olympic ObamaBear

    Rats. I just found out that the International Olympic Committee announced today in Copenhagen that Chicago was not chosen as the site for the 2016 Olympics.

    I’m not taking it personally. However, this only reinforces my decision to pull missile defense out of Europe. And don’t even think of trying to get a danish anymore in the White House mess.

    The worst part? No mass production of the adorable cuddly Olympic ObamaBear. The lovely plush you see here is a one-hit wonder.

    http://whitehouse.gov1.info/blog/blog_post/blog-obamabear-4sale.html

    Always about him

  15. Terrorism stops being a law enforcement issue when it is supported, financed and advanced by a state. Under those conditions terrorism becomes a division of the sponsoring state’s military. Any other view demonstrates a failure to understand the political nature of terrorism.

  16. Let me get this straight.

    We’re going to pass a health care plan written by a committee whose head says he doesn’t understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn’t read it but exempts themselves from it, signed by a president who also hasn’t read it, and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn’t pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that’s nearly broke.

    What possibly could go wrong?

  17. sensico…you better not be a State fan.

    I’m not whining at all actually….we are saying that you literally make no sense…again.

    Hell, I might even agree with what you wrote.
    Who knows?

    Lady….we all make typos. God knows, I’m the worst. But many times you literally can’t formulate any semblance of an argument.

    We are trying to figure out what the hell you wrote. Why don’t you try again and explain yourself.

    I guarantee no fellow liberal will take a shot at it.

    You would think that maybe that fact would be enough for you to say…”.You knw what, I need to give it another shot and explain my self.”

    Write in English, silly.

    You’re Pig Latin to me.

  18. Ben, I’m not sure what point you meant to prove by posting the chronology that ends a mere month and a half after the WTC disaster.

    The government in place in Afghanistan right now (the one led by Karzai) is one we endorse and support. So are you saying that right now Afghanistan is an example of state sponsored terrorism?

  19. We’re going to pass a health care plan written by a committee whose head says he doesn’t understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn’t read it but exempts themselves from it, signed by a president who also hasn’t read it, and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn’t pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that’s nearly broke.

    One of the funniest comments ever posted on the RL Blog. You need to start writing for Leno. Seriously.

  20. “Elric never did see a call for tolerance that he liked.”

    Im for free speech, evidently you are not. Of course that comment is all we will get out of you because you dont want to get into the ramifications of it or the reason behind it, particularity since Thuggy endorsed it.

  21. “One of the funniest comments ever posted on the RL Blog. You need to start writing for Leno. Seriously.”

    Did what he said was true or not? Why are you so afraid of debate?

  22. Nuke expert: Obama’s two-week inspection deadline gives Iran time to hide the evidence
    posted at 1:06 pm on October 3, 2009 by Allahpundit
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    This would be the same deadline that the State Department hinted yesterday that it’s prepared to back down from if ElBaradei asks them to.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/03/nuke-expert-obamas-two-week-inspection-deadline-gives-iran-time-to-hide-the-evidence/

    Well Thuggy had to give his islamist friends time to hide the evidence.

  23. “I agree with your overall point that local law enforcement is the way to prevent future attacks. Like I wrote before, just leaving a country in shams will cause more resentment and hatred towards the US making them more likely to by into the terrorist propaganda.

    We’re there now and I don’t see us leaving anytime soon. Though I get the point about top terrorist leaders, removing them causes disorganization among the group and weakens them.

    And how could you say that we supported Afghanistan and then suggest we’re at war with them? We’re in Afghanistan to catch terrorists that have moved into that region. Though, it’s really all speculation whether Bin Laden is even alive. But, the government must have some kind of information. Especially since if they didn’t it’d come out sooner or later and damage Obama’s credibility.” -sensico
    ______________________________________________—
    lol…..and for a million dollars….somebody crack the code and tell me WTF those three paragraphs mean?

    I’ll give it a shot.

    1. Law enforcement is the most efficient way to combat terrorism. (DISAGREE, BUT SO FAR UNDERSTAND)

    2. If the military leaves, terrorism gets worse. (CONTRADICTION)

    3. removing the upper echelon of terrorist organizations works(I SUPPOSE I AGREE)

    4. We are not fighting the Afghan Taliban (DON’T UNDERSTAND PREMISE)

    5. We fight only terrorists who have moved there (FACTUALLY INCORRECT)

    6. Osama might be dead (MAYBE, UNDERSTAND STATEMENT)

    7.The government must know something we don’t?(DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR CORRELATING…THE WHERE ABOUTS OF OSAMA?)

    8. And something would hurt Obama’s creditability?(HAVE NO CLUE WHAT YOU MEAN)

    IM LEFT WITH NO CLUE WHAT YOUR 3 PARAGRAPHS WERE GETTING AT.

  24. Garofalo: Led by Limbaugh, ‘Tea-Baggers’ a ‘White Power Movement’ Motivated by ‘Racism’

    Well, she’s a bit off base on the “since the 1950’s” remark and the audience clapping again proves my point that many voters are idiots.

    The other problem with Garofalo’s approach is she targets hatred but ignores just plain ignorance. One of the feelings I get about the Tea Party crowd is that some of them are just out to have a good time … literally… to gather with like-minded people, whip up a mini-storm and then go home. I mean look at the crowds, you see a lot of folks smiling. This is like church for them.

    Garofalo is dead on that there are racists in the crowds. An overwhelming number of them? I’m not so sure. Again I suspect the key operative word in Tea Party is ….

    Party! 🙂

    P.S. Do not confuse the Tea Party gatherings with Town Hall Meetings. That’s a different animal where I think the vast majority of attendees care about what they’re talking about. Hell, Town Hall meetings can be deadly boring. You don’t go to those unless you’re committed.

  25. “I mean look at the crowds, you see a lot of folks smiling.”

    First they are an angry mob inciting hatred and now they are smiling people out for a good time. You drones never can stand on your talking points, can you?

  26. Elric the reason I know neither you nor Michelle Malkin are interested in America’s best interests is that you waste time on stupid gaffs in POTUS and FLOTUS speeches. Both of you need to grow the f*ck up.

  27. “Elric you keep quoting this parody web site like you think it’s real. I’m really beginning to worry about your sanity.”

    Im worried that your sanity since you are never critical of the man or his policies no matter how damaging.

  28. “Elric the reason I know neither you nor Michelle Malkin are interested in America’s best interests is that you waste time on stupid gaffs in POTUS and FLOTUS speeches. Both of you need to grow the f*ck up.”

    Thuggy’s wife sat on her daddy’s lap when she was 20. Whata pervert. LOL

  29. So far, I swear I can totally objectively make the claim Obama has been a complete joke as a president.

    DR, when you and Tex ignore the good and focus on the bad, what other conclusion could you possibly come to.

    Just today I saw the Mayor of Minneapolis saying that some 100 Million (I think that was the number) dollars in stimulus money was putting Minnesotans to work as we speak.

    The country is neck deep in crap and you want everything to come up smelling like roses in nine months. Come on!

  30. Oh … DR, another thing for you and Tex to mull over. Do you know that to some degree the success of the stim package depends on how functional or dysfunctional a particular state is?

    I went to a local Chamber of Commerce meeting a couple of weeks ago and learned that fed stim money gets targeted at a particular department of each state (I can’t recall the name of the department). In the case of Connecticut, we don’t even have this department in place so as a result getting the stim money is slowed down in red tape. Is that Obama’s fault?

  31. Tingles Tells Dem Rep. Grayson He’s “Martin Luther” For Saying Republicans “Want you to die”….

    My only disappointment with Grayson so far is I don’t see a lot of depth. The interview with Chris Matthews revealed, to my eyes at least, that Grayson is a bit of a one-note symphony. He repeats, “I’ve got guts” and “they’re the party of no” but not much beyond that.

    The Repubs want you to “die quickly” was a great stunt but I fear it was just that … only a stunt.

  32. We’re going to pass a health care plan written by a committee whose head says he doesn’t understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn’t read it but exempts themselves from it, signed by a president who also hasn’t read it, and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn’t pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that’s nearly broke.

    One of the funniest comments ever posted on the RL Blog. You need to start writing for Leno. Seriously.

    Care to share what’s so funny about it? I read it, and I ain’t laughing.

  33. Hey Elric, thanks to Red Pill I found a juicy quote from 9/20/2001 address to congress by George W, Bush:

    I also want to speak tonight directly to Muslims throughout the world. We respect your faith. It’s practiced freely by many millions of Americans, and by millions more in countries that America counts as friends. Its teachings are good and peaceful, and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah. The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself. The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends; it is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists, and every government that supports them. Our war on terror begins with al Qaeda, but it does not end there. It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated.

    I guess Bush was a dhimmi right? 😉

  34. While democracy or nation-building may not be the answer, the answer must not include any option where the Taliban is left strong enough to fill the resulting power vacuum when we leave.

    Red Pill and Dead Rabbit (who also mentioned this), I do not have a sophisticated understanding of Afghanistan but I am under the distinct impression there is no such thing as THE Taliban. From what I understand there are really bad Taliban and not so bad Taliban. Am I wrong on this?

  35. “I guess Bush was a dhimmi right?”

    Interesting that when you dont want to debate you bring up Bush as if that equals everything out. But yes Bush was dhimmified. Not as much as Thuggy but he was dhimmified.

    At least he didnt bow deeply to the Saudi King and use the UN to suppress free speech to satisfy the sensibilities of muslims so they dont go on more rampages and kill over a friggin cartoon.

    I would say anything else but why bother since I always put you in your place and never get a reply back.

  36. Its a global effort to plant the flag of islam around the globe. And they will do it any way possible.

    Man, do I hate to get back into this meme, but Elric are you calling for Muslim genocide? If not, what is the solution?

  37. “Man, do I hate to get back into this meme, but Elric are you calling for Muslim genocide? If not, what is the solution?”

    You know I would debate you on this but you really arent interested so Im not going to waste my time.

    When you truly want a serious debate on this, let me know

  38. A power vacuum can not be allowed to exist in central Asia or the Middle East. The FBI obviously can’t take on an army of 5,000 jihadists. The Rabbit believes that armies of 5000 Taliban types will just about have to be annually decimated by American forces for decades.

    I believe McChrystal wants 40,000 more soldiers. How many men and women do we send to the stone age to die in order to prevent this mushroom cloud from developing? Must not there be a better way?

  39. At the risk of insulting Sensico, I’m going to “decipher” her comment as best I can, (Sensico, on this one it does look like you were commenting, watching TV, listening to your ipod and eating Twinkies at the same time. Just a bit of proofing before hitting the Submit button will decrease the abuse a bit.)

    1. Sensico answers my concern about how many nations we’re going to occupy by suggesting some nations are better at fighting terrorists in their own countries than others.

    2. She agrees with me that the focus should be on law enforcement here since too much “warring” in other countries leaves a bad taste in the mouth of the international community towards the USA.

    3. She disagrees with my point about the terrorist hierarchical structure (or lack thereof) and feels that killing the leaders does disorient and destabilize the entire organization.

    4. She thinks I contradict myself to say we are at war with Afghanistan when we support their government. (To this I say, yeah … we’re “helping” Afghanistan like we helped the Vietnamese. Giving so much help in fact that Karzai has the audacity to resent our efforts.)

    5. Finally, in what I’d have to call a tangential point, she says she thinks our government knows Osama is still alive or else we wouldn’t risk the hit to our credibility by chasing down an already dead man,

  40. You know I would debate you on this but you really arent interested so Im not going to waste my time.

    When you truly want a serious debate on this, let me know

    Elric, I recall the last time this came up (the “magic button” question) you dodged that one too.

    It is so much easier to diss an entire religion than it is to come up with solutions, isn’t it? Unless your solution is one you dare not utter. Is that it Elric?

  41. Care to share what’s so funny about it? I read it, and I ain’t laughing.

    Oh dear, BiW is getting all serious on my ass.

    What I find funny is that Tex points out the contradictions and to some extent, hypocrisy … and absurdity … found in government in general. I don’t find this specific to Obama one bit.

    You know the worst thing that I think could be said about Obama right now, the thing some far left libs are already saying? It’s the Who song … “meet the new boss, same as the old boss.”

    While you conservatives whine about Obama taking your country away from you, the fact is he is moving too slow for many people’s taste. Not a single move on “don’t ask don’t tell”, no real finance reform on the fat cats on Wall Street, rendition still going on. I personally think the far left wants too much too soon. I’m a patient man. If he really has screwed things up by 2011, I’ll support another liberal ( 😀 ) to oppose him in a primary.

  42. “Why would he? He was too busy giving Angela Merkel a back rub.”

    Yeah, thats much worse. That your defense mechinism when you cant defend Thuggy bowing deeply to a despot and oppressor of non muslims and women?

    “Elric, I recall the last time this came up (the “magic button” question) you dodged that one too.”

    Not dodging. Just not going to get into a deep debate if you arent really interested. Are you?

    “It is so much easier to diss an entire religion than it is to come up with solutions, isn’t it?”

    Its very easy if you actually look into that religion’s text and history instead of your polyanna multiculturalism.

  43. R,

    Well, I think we both should at least throw out there that we are doing a ton of arm chair quaterbacking. I doubt neither of us have a “sophisticated” view of Afghanistan.

    That being said, wouldn’t you admit McChrystal is operating under the goal of nation building?

    I know air strikes didn’t work for shit under Clinton. But I swear if we gave up on democracy, ally with strong men and infested Afghan airspace with Predator drones and the like maybe would could contain the stink beards. (Of course, troops on the ground would still be needed)

    Again, I’m fully aware of when I’m in bull shit mode. Are you?
    _________________________________________________
    “In the case of Connecticut, we don’t even have this department in place so as a result getting the stim money is slowed down in red tape. Is that Obama’s fault?”-Rutherford

    Well, yes. The slow bureaucracy of state governments interacting with federal governments surprises you? This reality should have been one of the many reasons not to force my son to borrow from the Chinese.

    As for your citation of some mayor loving stim money, come on, man. Of course mayors dig “free” money in the short run. You can’t quote the mayor of Minneapolis saying that some jobs were created and then say, “See!” I told you the stimulus was worth it!”

    Will the jobs last?
    How much money was lost on it’s way to Minneapolis?
    How “needed” were the jobs?”
    Were those jobs worth the interest that must be paid on the money?
    Were those jobs worth the inflation that will inevitable be created?

    Your argument is bizarre. Don’t you see that the very fact that you are forced to cite examples of stimulus money being used as actual stimulus money more then a little pathetic?

    We have to pay it back. Do you forget that?

    You’re always lecturing me on my lack of experience in the corporate world. How bout a little cost benefit analysis instead of “some guy up north said the money was awesome.”

  44. “I do not have a sophisticated understanding of Afghanistan”

    Rutherford, I thought you said you DO have a sophisticated understanding of Afghanistan. Sorry about that.

    Overtime loss against State. I want to headbutt someone or something.

  45. “First they are an angry mob inciting hatred and now they are smiling people out for a good time.” elric

    Dude…I know. Rutherford is straight up schizophrenic when it comes to Tea Parties. You should read his first angry blog about their existence. They were an evil, racist crowd led by astro-turf.

    Now they are smiling Sambos.

    Weird.

  46. DR,

    Dodger loves to move the goal posts when the debate doesnt go his way. Notice he didnt even bother reply to it? But then when does he ever reply to a post of mine that was a rebuttal of his BS when he gets brave and thinks he has me? Never.

    How is the little rabbit btw? Shock wear off yet? 🙂

  47. …”his so called grass roots effort is the work of lobbyists and Fox News Channel. It’s about as grass roots as my ass. “(Rutherford on the Tea Party)
    **********************************************************************8
    “I kinda picture the pathological liar character played by Jon Lovitz in the old days of SNL. “I am pissed off about ehhhh, taking my guns away and ehhhhh, deficits and ehhhhh taxes and ehhhh bailouts. Yeah, that’s the ticket.” When in fact, a good number of folks may not be able to articulate “Dammit, there’s a black guy in the White House! What the hell is THAT about?”” (Rutherford on the Tea Parties)
    ***********************************************************************8
    I suspect that a good portion of the populist rage is fueled by that omni-present American tumor called racism.(Rutherford on the Tea Parties)
    ************************************************************************
    “Garofalo is dead on that there are racists in the crowds. An overwhelming number of them? I’m not so sure. Again I suspect the key operative word in Tea Party is ….

    Party!” (Rutherford on the Tea Parties)

    ***********************************************************************

    There you have it folks.

    The only opinion we don’t have so far about the Tea Party movement is…..rrrrrrrrrrabit drum roll……………people are pissed off that Obama decided to quadruple the spending of one of the least thrifty Presidents of all time for a package of pork that didn’t lower the unemployment rate as promised. This same president now wants to spend a trillion more on health care plan that nobody has read or understands built on total b.s. about magically erasing waste to cover it along with blatant lies about abortion and illeagal immigrant coverage.

    What’s so fricken hard to understand about that?

  48. Elric,

    Little Rabbit is doing great. I’m holding him right now and he is enthralled with me pounding on my keyboard exposing Rutherford to be a total insecure boob when it comes to any kind of popular resistance to his beloved.

  49. One more thing to add….this blog owner has never once apologized to all those people he consistently stereotyped with the most vehement accusation that exists in our modern culture.

    Not once did Rutherford say sorry to the majority of good folks that show up to these things. He played his race card with out one bit of remorse.

    In Rutherford’s defense, it’s more of a 2nd degree slander. He was only doing what MSNBC told him to do. He probably believed it.

    When I volunteered to go to one of these meetings, new video camera in hand, and literally count the racist signs, Rutherford started fumbling and bumbling that his blog can’t upload video.

    I would bet anything that the latest take on MSNBC mimics Rutherford’s latest analysis: These people are just uneducated rocks out for a good time.

    Again, has there even been one arrest? How many racist signs are there? So of course the racist under belly of America can’t work forever.

    After all, that stuff is quantifiable. They can only go so long espousing lies before it just doesn’t work anymore.

    Thus, they move on. They just seem to forget that only a month ago or a day ago they were calling an entire group of people racist.

    Cry wolf my friend. Cry wolf.

    We are all supposed to just forget the the terrible and serious accusations you have made.

    Your a black man after all, you can throw the race card in any temper tantrum you want. Any time you don’t understand a person or groups motives it’s your emotional “out”. We just have to take it. And when you’re done, just act like it didn’t happen.

    Is that it?

  50. DR,

    Dodger is a certified race baiter. He says the conservatives are the ones dividing this nation when in fact its the race baiting and demomarxist saying crap like the Republicans want you all to die and cause a holocaust.

    Whats the worst our side said? “Your lying”. And come to find out, Thuggy was indeed lying.

    But we will have the last laugh. Thuggy’s politburo will come crashing down soon. I think this OIC dis will go farther than people think. If Thuggy cant talk the OIC into giving him the Olympics, what makes anyone think he can convince the Iranians to give up their nukes.

    All I can say is thank God for Israel.

  51. “this blog owner has never once apologized to all those people he consistently stereotyped” – DR

    I for one would like R to apologize to me for stereotyping me as and Ipod user and a twinkie eater. Until then, I’ll remain insulted. In no way do I buy into Apple products and I hate twinkies. R you should really be ashamed of yourself.

    btw, if you read my comment as each paragraph making different points then it makes sense. So f-off, btw, serious about that apology on the Ipod and twinkie thing.

  52. he is enthralled with me pounding on my keyboard exposing Rutherford to be a total insecure boob when it comes to any kind of popular resistance to his beloved.

    Oh no! The indoctrination begins already! 🙂 I bet Bronson is frustrated as hell just dying to type some pro-liberal comments of his own.

    Don’t worry Bronson. I’m a patient man. If the RL Blog can last another 14 years, I’ll be looking for your lib comments once you’re a freshman in high school. 🙂

  53. LOl….

    Who knows, Rutherford, maybe that cheesy viral letter you wrote to the teens of America will finally make it to him 14 years from now. 🙂

  54. Ouch! That twinkie comment was kind of harsh.

    Hell… even I’m smart enough not to go with twinkie jokes with any woman…including sensico!

    I know you didn’t mean it…but “twinkie” is the one food that is universally accepted as a reference to being a fat ass.

  55. So much to say. I saw the title of this ost and just KNEW what the thread would be like.
    Hopppefully 800lbG will come by but for now let me help you out R.
    The Taliban is ALL BAD. Tribes and the previous mujahadeen are not to be confused with the Taliban. The Taliban is real and isn’t good for anybody including the Afghan people.
    The tribes of Afghanistan are an odd lot. The stone age comment is funny but it oversimplifies. The World that wants police actions ala internationale need a central government in every country. Afghanistan is one such country. The thing is the peeps don’t really dig central government especially when it looks to rule outside the castle gates. ie in their areas. Thats what the commies learned and believe it or not the T-ban were bound to learn it too. The incredible repression they carried out was the only thing keeping them going.
    As for law enforcement v military action. Can’t help you. I don’t fancy myself a neo con but failed states have a direct impact on the “civilized” folks and the FBI and Interpol ain’t gonna cut it. The job is just too big and too important.
    I get my FOL in a twist as quick as the next guy when it comes to nuanced semantics so ouch here we go.
    Nation building vs nation stabilization. Is there a diff ? I say yes. Not unlike a domestic policy of a hand up vs a hand out. Well maybe that isn’t the best but then again I AM ON A MAC SO F U SENSI
    Bottomline I think the lefties here need to rethink their foreign policy likes and dislikes.
    And in closing directly to the links in the and the post itself.
    Where the hell are you buying your crack Rutherford ?
    The CNN story looks at a US based domestic action highlighting arrests made in the States. Fer crying out loud what does that have to do with the international military actions ?
    Buy a MacBook and get back to me on that.

  56. “I AM ON A MAC SO F U SENSI”
    oh please, you’re such an elitist lib, I bet you get the Caramel Latte every morning at Starbucks too, and do you also play hackysac with the college kids after researching on your Macbook “ways to be green” lol

    I think the Apple company is clearly over-charging their products just because they give people who want to look “cool” a sense of “coolness” and “modernness”. Clearly if you get a computer, upgrade to linux then you’d have the same security and for free. More over, if you wanted a faster computer all you had to do was pay $15 for 1GB of RAM and you would have been on your way.

    I’m sorry if I just don’t buy into the gimmicky “oh I have a macbook therefore I’m a hipster and cool” thing. Call me old-fashioned but if you can get it for cheaper with the same features and value then I’m going for the cheaper product.

  57. Since no one reads my comments, I’ll just say that I agree with Alfie’s comments…except the part about liberals and macbooks.

    I would love to read Rutherford a.k.a the stereotyper’s retorts.

  58. omg you’re calling me a lib ?
    Apple products are more expensive due to the quality and the fact that Jobs et al refused to pimp the tech out to cloners. Pure capitalism.
    Trust me my Apple ownership has nothing to do with the stereotype demographics.
    ala carte though: I did indeed play hackysac back in the day. It was when I was doing a plumbers apprenticeship and we were all out there @ lunch with workboots hacking.Plumbers,HVAC and electricians. No hippies.
    I also despise Starbucks and equally hate DD’s. I only like coffee in the a.m. although I’ll do a cappuccino after a good Italian meal.

  59. I went to Sears today with a friend and they charge at least $200 or more for a washer and dryer just because the color was blue, red, or gray.
    $700+ for a white washer or dryer is ridiculous anyways but why would people allow themselves to obviously be worked over by a company that charges extra just cause the color is different.

    Maybe Alfie can explain the consumer psyche and wasteful behavior?

  60. Before Walmart I always viewed Sears as the anti Christ.
    Consumers have a right and a duty to make choices that let them sleep well at night. Same can be said for voters. ( I throw that in for the whole political blog angle thing)
    Also along those lines the recent numbers seems to indicate that Ricardo is still the economist that is right. Sorry Keynes,Smith.

  61. Danish News: Obama’s Arrogance Turned Off IOC

    “The fact that Barack Obama came, could not do it. I think he lacked emotion, it seemed too empty and business-like. When Tony Blair promoted London he was around three days to lobby and talk to people. You can not just come with the train one day and try to affect everything. People have felt that it was a lack of respect for the Olympics and sport in general. I think people felt it was too business-like to get into the way we have now seen it many times, and you would have feelings back.”

    Hans Bonde, professor of sport history at the University of Copenhagen, told the newspaper: “Here come the media favorite Obama just before the deadline and made showoff. He clearly won the battle in the media, but it turned out indeed to be indifferent. IOC members did not feel important, and they were indeed reduced to spectators and not players.”

    http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/10/danish-news-obamas-arrogance-turned-off.html

    LOL At least they dont have to deal with the POS 24/7 like we do.

  62. I you drop both a Mac and PC they both break. They both do the same things. You have obviously bought into the same hype regularly Starbucks customers. Sure it’s only $1 extra then normal coffee or latte at some places, but you’re buying a culture, not better quality. A computer nerd would easily be able to get and old windows PC/laptop to run like a fast Macbook for next to nothing.

    “cappuccino after a good Italian meal” – for some reason the flavors don’t seem to mix. So know you’re showing us that you’re an elitist exotic eater?!
    j/k 🙂

  63. Sharia kills another book: Novelist fears Muslim backlash

    A German publisher has cancelled plans to publish a mass-market novel out of fears that it might face violent protests due to a rude reference to the Koran, Der Spiegel magazine reported Saturday.

    The crime novel – about the “honour killing” of a Muslim woman – had been scheduled for September publication, but the Droste publishing company of Dusseldorf decided not to print it after all, the magazine said in a story to appear in its Monday issue.

    http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2009/10/03/sharia-kills-another-book-novelist-fears-muslim-backlash/

    Gee Dodger, why would anyone FEAR a muslim backlash? Arent muslims just as peaceful and tolerant as everyone else?

  64. “Burris is a racist”

    clearly, you’ve proven that conservatives are always playing the race card. This is the section that the zipper blog points out, that Elric is calling Burris racist for,

    Senator Rowland Burris of Illinois, the Senator who was appointed to fill President Barack Obama’s vacant Senate seat, blames George Bush for Chicago not getting the Olympics in 2016. Burris stated in an interview, shortly after the announcement, that the image of the U. S. has been so tarnished in the last 8 years that, even Barack Obama making an unprecedented pitch for the games could not overcome the hatred the world has for us as a result of George Bush.

    Now I’m no fan of Burris and don’t think the man should be anywhere near Washington. But, nothing about his statement says racist. And if it doesn’t then that means everyone who criticized Bush is a racist. Clearly Elric is a bot. Let see, post a link, throw in a punch line that’s not representative of the link. Actually, when looking at my spam filter on wordpress, I think even spammers have evolved better then that

  65. I’m not ashamed to admit an iced caramel machiato “quad” shot from Starbucks is delicious. I have tried the same version of the drink at all other coffee shops, franchise and mom and pop, and nothing comes close. Nothing. And outside a line of the white stuff, nothing gives a better bump.

    Unfortunately, the price is ridiculous.

    I treat myself to one every pay day Friday morning.

  66. Fucking Tigers suck so bad. I want to take this lap top and slam it against the wall.

    Blowing the whole season. Epic fail. Bums.

    They have to win tomorrow and still might end up only tied for the division. I’ll be at that game.

  67. Tigers suck so bad. ERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

    Come out Rutherford. I got some misplaced aggression for you.

    i want to fist fight Curator and make hippieoprof drink his own pee.

    ERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRr

  68. sorry…that wasn’t even funny…Rutherford…erase my last post.

    __________________________________________________
    I thought you guys were kidding about people blaming Bush about the failed Olympic bid…..but your not!

    Jesse Jackson and the left blame Bush?

    LOL

  69. Are you drinking again. I saved a screenshot of these comments under “DR-Drunk”. And didn’t you all go over back and forth over the whole Bush Olympics thing. Who cares anymore? The point is that conservatives are happy that America won’t host the games and hundred of thousands of jobs won’t come to chicago and elsewhere. I’d like to say thanks in advance for the whole you and conservatives are digging for yourselves.

  70. I meant “thanks in advance to you and conservatives are digging for yourselves”, I was gonna write something else but found it too antagonizing, even for me :/

  71. uh? I never even mentioned the Olympics. I thought you guys were joking about blaming Bush over the Olympics.

    As for conservatives being happy…I’m not sure what your talking about. I wish they got them becuase we live close enough I would have gone and checked it out.

    As for the jobs theory, I’m not sure about that. I actually don’t know its an economic plus.

    Thanks for telling me what conservatives are digging though.

  72. I know you didn’t mean it…but “twinkie” is the one food that is universally accepted as a reference to being a fat ass.

    LOL … no I certainly didn’t intend to imply Sensico was a fat ass.

    Actually the image I was shooting for was someone slightly hopped up on sugar. 😉

    As for Apple products, while I am far from an Apple fanatic, I would have to be paid a large sum to give up my iPhone. The thing just plain rocks! Now, I do remain pretty frustrated with folks who call themselves “business people” who only use a MAC. Sorry gang … MACs are for academia and fine arts (music and graphical arts). They are not for business. If you’re in business, you need a friggin’ PC. (Sorry to unload here but one of my clients fails to understand this and she drives me crazy every time we have to do something for which there is no MAC compatible software.)

  73. The CNN story looks at a US based domestic action highlighting arrests made in the States. Fer crying out loud what does that have to do with the international military actions ?

    First Alfie, thanks for the clarification on the Taliban. I don’t know where I read it but I could’ve sworn I’ve read there are different “flavors”. If I find the source, I’ll post it.

    As for the CNN story, I used it to illustrate my point that violence that is going to be perpetrated here must be stopped HERE. We can kill all the bad guys we want overseas, if we don’t keep our eye on the ball here, then nutjobs will take flying lessons in American flight schools and fly planes into buildings. Crazies will go to the store and buy a sh*load of hair salon supplies with the intent of bombing the crap out of some building.

    Terrorism, as it is played out on our shores, for all its political content, is basically crime and must be treated as crime and prevented by law enforcement officials. Truth is, and I know this is a very rough analogy, but when I think of Al Qaeda, I think of the Mafia. It’s organized crime but with a political/religious bent. We don’t use soldiers to fight the mob. We use cops, federal and otherwise.

    That is really my point in its most distilled form.

  74. Danish News: Obama’s Arrogance Turned Off IOC

    What a complete load of crap. If Obama spent three days in Copenhagen he would’ve been torn to shreds by the likes of Elric for being derelict in his duty (so many more important things going on here). Now he’s arrogant ‘cos he only spent a day. Oh puhleeeeeze.

    I’ve heard some scoop on this:
    1. Rio was always the far front-runner cos the IOC felt it was about time for a southern hemisphere country to get a shot.
    2. IOC had bad taste in its mouth from (I think it was Romney’s Olympics — Salt Lake City?) corruption in a prior American hosting turn.
    3. (and this comes from the far left), how could we expect to get the nod when IOC saw Republicans dissing the Olympics coming to Chicago? The far left says Republicans screwed us over … again because there is no price they are unwilling to pay to see Obama “fail”.

  75. And outside a line of the white stuff, nothing gives a better bump.

    TMI dude, TMI. (Don’t you know that in addition to reporting all you guys to the White House enemies list, I’m also a narc? 😉 )

  76. sorry…that wasn’t even funny…Rutherford…erase my last post.

    Hey, I knew a kid in summer camp who drank his own pee. Poor guy wasn’t all there in the head.

  77. It’s Saturday Night sensico, your 22….you shouldn’t even be home right now.

    What makes you think she’s home? I bet she has her Linux loaded laptop right at the edge of the stage at a Chippendale’s night club. She thrusts those dollars in the G-strings between comments. 🙂

    DOH … there I go with the stereotyping again! Sensico, will you forgive me? 😉

  78. Rutherford: “First Alfie, thanks for the clarification on the Taliban. I don’t know where I read it but I could’ve sworn I’ve read there are different “flavors”. If I find the source, I’ll post it.”

    There are no moderate Taliban.

  79. “clearly, you’ve proven that conservatives are always playing the race card.”

    LOL You stupid little drone. I know nothing he said makes him a racist, just showing how stupid you drones sound when you play the race card like that.

  80. “What a complete load of crap. If Obama spent three days in Copenhagen he would’ve been torn to shreds by the likes of Elric for being derelict in his duty (so many more important things going on here). Now he’s arrogant ‘cos he only spent a day. Oh puhleeeeeze.”

    Dont get mad at me for what they said moron

  81. “Some are, some aren’t. Please, share your final solution with us WZ Pimp-Dodger.”

    Havent heard of a publisher halting the publishing of a book over the potential anger by any other religious group, have you. I know you wont answer because you are a wuss but still thought to throw that out.

    And you still didnt answer if you wanted a serious debate on it. Not going to add my input if you are too much a coward to add yours.

  82. Britain’s New Army Commander: ‘Failure (In Afghanistan) Would Have A Catalytic Effect On Militant Islam’ … Ready To Send More Troops If Asked …More Troops Would Mean ‘Less Causalities’ And A Start In Winning ‘Psychological Battle

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/10/britains-new-army-commander-failure-in-afghanistan-would-have-a-catalytic-effect-on-militant-islam-r.html

    Of course “militant” islam means the traditional islam that goes back to Mo-bomb-ed. The Brits would be better served fighting the “militant” islam thats festering in their homeland.

  83. Socialism and Christian-Bashing Crash at Box Office
    by John Nolte

    Tough times for leftie Hollywood. Nothing’s gone right this week. None of this is their fault, of course. In order to understand that it might not be a good idea to rally around a child rapist, bash religion in a religious country or trash capitalism in a capitalist country you have to live in the real world…

    http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2009/10/03/socialism-and-christian-bashing-crash-at-box-office/

    Bash Christians? Dont they FEAR a reprisal from Christians? Oh wait, its only muslims they FEAR, hence the reason why Hollywood never mocks islam.

  84. Doesn’t surprise me that the libs are blaming Bush for Obama’s failure in the bid to get the Olympics. Many reasons, but here are a few of them:

    (1) Libs are like a trained macaw at home – they come in an assortment of colors, but if you’ve heard one of them, you’ve heard all of them. The internet has made this a much worse phenomenon, as they gather to drink overpriced and burnt coffee at $4 Bucks Starbucks. Here, they really do sound like a flock of squawking crows with a sound cry that sounds something like “Busssshfault, busssshfault, busssshfaultttt” Females are the noisiest of the lot and are accompanied with a foul stench reeking of anal glands.

    (2) Libs can never admit when they are wrong, or in many cases are too stupid to recognize right from wrong and good from bad. Therefore, their first mode of defense when caught with their britches down is to find something of comparable rot or abject failure and drag it into play.

    (3) Libs have “delusions” of superiority in the intellectual circles. Yet, libs are always complaining about the rich and their money and power never explaining why so many are stuck in menial, low paying jobs – this includes a multitude of PHDs.

    (4) Obama is black. And since Lefty Cracker has been pandering to the hood for the last 30 years, there can be no admission of black failure – even though it’s more apparent than the Vegas Strip on a moonless night. What the hood doesn’t understand is that Lefty Cracker behind closed doors looks at most of their black comrades as more like a stray dog needing a few crumbs thrown their way.

    (3)

  85. Poll: What was the Obamateurism of the Week?
    posted at 9:00 am on October 4, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    Which Obamateurism this week will celebrate its victory? Probably not with a trip to Copenhagen, that’s for sure. Maybe they’d prefer to go to India, which would at least take them a little closer to Gen. Stanley McChrystal than Barack Obama usually gets. Of course, one assumes that they’d pick the right direction first …

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/04/poll-what-was-the-obamateurism-of-the-week-17/

    Dont forget to vote

  86. Here’s something else that continues to go unnoticed about our “unjust”, “unwinnable win” in Iraq from the godless left and their masters called the MSM, which now includes the Think Progress, Whoring PuffHo jetset.

    Anybody believe at this moment with Saddam still in power there wouldn’t be a real race to be building a nuclear bomb, being Iran was a sworn enemy of Iraq? Are the clowns from the left so naive to believe that Saddam was simply going to sit idle and watch Mahmoud build a bomb without attempting the same?

    If the American mealy-mouthed pagans Left are really going to be honest and smart (an impossibility because if you’re lib, you’re generally neither) and want to criticize GW Bush, maybe what they ought to criticize him for is not taking out Mahmoud too.

  87. “First Alfie, thanks for the clarification on the Taliban. I don’t know where I read it but I could’ve sworn I’ve read there are different “flavors”. If I find the source, I’ll post it.”

    Thats because you are a moron and think their is a “moderate” Taliban.

  88. The Obamas Violated First Three Rules of Selling
    By C. Edmund Wright

    Of course Barack and Michelle Obama failed in Copenhagen. Their strategy could not possibly succeed. In their academic arrogance, they thought they could sell a product they clearly do not believe in (the United States) and moreover, they could do so by stressing the benefits to the seller (Chicago) and not the buyer (the IOC). And to top it off, they committed the faux pas of talking too much about the sales force (themselves) and not about the product or the buyer.

    Gee, what could possibly go wrong?

    Anyone who has had to succeed in the real business world — and that includes few if any on Team Obama — instinctively knows that to get business done you have to believe in what you are doing and offer a product or service that is focused on the benefits to the customer. In the Obama World of Chicago pay-to-play power, business gets done by flexing muscle and clearing the field of your competitors. You don’t have to sell anything. You don’t have to believe in anything. It is fine to be self-focused. You simply have to apply the power of the applicable political machinery and you win.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/the_obamas_violated_first_thre.html

  89. “It’s Saturday Night sensico, your 22….you shouldn’t even be home right now”
    I’m sorry I’m not a “partier” Plus I was just taking a break from studying.

    “Actually the image I was shooting for was someone slightly hopped up on sugar”
    I guess I except your half ass apology, btw, I’m usually hoped up on Gatorade.

    ” What makes you think she’s home? I bet she has her Linux loaded laptop right at the edge of the stage at a Chippendale’s night club. She thrusts those dollars in the G-strings between comments. 🙂

    DOH … there I go with the stereotyping again! Sensico, will you forgive me?”

    never been to a male strip club, and no offense to Elric but male strippers reek of gayness. I have a hard time finding that any of those guys are straight. Plus the fact that in the movies, they appear to be oiled up is really disgusting to me.

    And yeah, now you’re stereotyping me as someone that would waste money on male strippers when I could be buying more Gatorade with that money. I suppose I’ll forgive, but I’ll never forget 😛

  90. Rutherford…
    AQ is not unlike organized crime in its structure but their intent goes far and away from your polite religious bent thing.

    The “Romney Olympics” were corrupt before he made the scene. Much like Beijing 2008 and London 2012 will see. The IOC sucks period. Let me be the first rightie to add this and debunk it at the same time.
    Rio was picked for a number of reasons and the first in SA is primary. not unlike Germany in 1936. they were given the Games in ’31 as a welcome back to the world thing post WW1. Rio gets the nod for much the same reason. First in SA as II said before. BRIC anyone ? I personally am looking forward to the corruption and repression to come. Brazil has a special police force that makes most army units look like pussies. They are also obviously gonna be forced to go the Chinese route “relocating” people. this in a country that every few years is highlighted for shooting street kids like they were dogs. Of course Hugo will try to wiggle some Bolivarian bullshit into this show as he will undoubtedly ratchet up the anti gringo crap as if he was hosting. That is one area that could prove interesting.
    Anyway 2016 Games should go down in history for cocaine consumption and sex parties. The latter a constant under the rug scandal for many many years.
    Curious about one Obama Olympics thing. Since he LOVES to spend our money will he entertain funding the athletes like every other nation or was this always just about his home town and egoo?

  91. Another good call Aflie.

    I too willl admit that the IOC even more corrupt than THE BOMBA gang. The IOC is the equivalent of U.N. – rotten to the core and nothing but a bunch of self-serving, indulged “diplomats” who would sell their own mothers into prostitution if it could somehow benefit them.

    I would hope that America would have the good sense to never bid on the Olympics – but even our fragile egos, especially the megalomaniac leading the pack now, think it some how a reflection on our greatness. We would be better served if President Hoodwink would remember than on overseas trips and speak of our goodness, instead of pacifying the tyrants. Of all his blunders, I believe this is THE BOMBA’s most egregious mistake. Our enemies will take his empty chatter and use it as tools against us to justify their acts of violence. I will disagree with Charles Krauthammer now – THE BOMBA is a very unwise individual of low character and morality.

    I also thought about the street children who are shot like rabid dogs, your analogy to China an excellent one.

  92. Thanks Tex. You’re right too. I’ve perused the Iranian news and they are already spinning huge the inspections etc. State is countering but who the hell in that part of the world gives a damn hat a Sate presser coughs up ?! Ironically the Iranians are huge fans of many of their Olympians. I’m waiting for a tie in.

  93. Tex,

    I asked Dodger many times is Thuggy extremely dumb or evil. After his Olympic failure Im leaning towards extremely dumb. No wonder the POS sealed his school records.

  94. Thats because you are a moron and think their is a “moderate” Taliban.

    First, I’m getting a bit tired of you throwing moron around all the time. You have a rationale for “Dodger” even if I don’t agree with it, but you know full well I’m no moron so it’s just your way of being an abusive pig. Knock it off.

    Second, this has nothing to do with what I “think”. As I said (if you bothered to read it) I recollected reading somewhere that there are different factions of Taliban within Afghanistan, some not as abusive and radical as others. I will try to find the source and post it. But as I said, it’s got nothing to do with what I “think”.

  95. never been to a male strip club, and no offense to Elric but male strippers reek of gayness.

    You mustn’t forget, Sensico, Elric is only gay on Myspace. In real life he is married to what must be the most patient woman on the face of the earth.

    I suppose I’ll forgive, but I’ll never forget

    OK, I can live with that. 🙂

  96. Elric’s marriage is denied unless shown some proof of documentation and or photo of the wedding kiss. And even then I’ll spread conspiracy theories about how his documentation isn’t real.

  97. Elric’s marriage is denied unless shown some proof of documentation and or photo of the wedding kiss. And even then I’ll spread conspiracy theories about how his documentation isn’t real.

    ROTFL And a marriage announcement in the newspaper will NOT do! 😀 😀

  98. Nevada Sec. Of State (D) On ACORN: We Can Prove It’s Not Just A Few Bad Apples…It Went Much Higher Up On The Food Chain . . .
    He also says ACORN hired convicts (still in prison) that were convicted of identity theft, for voter canvassing . . .

    All the way up to Thuggy

  99. This article from Forbes explains some of my confusion regarding “moderate Taliban”. Apparently they are not moderate in thought or culture but perhaps more willing to work with the Karzai government than more “radical” facitions of the Taliban. The outlook of these folks really being moderate is pessimistic to say the least.

    Consider me corrected.

    P.S. By the way, an article in the dreaded HuffPo confirmed this assessment that moderate Taliban is an oxymoron.

  100. UN’s El Baradei: “Israel Is Number One Threat to Middle East”

    The top nuclear inspector at the UN does not believe that Iran is the number one threat in the Middle East.
    He says Israel is the number one threat.
    China View reported, via Free Republic:

    Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Mohamed ElBaradei said Sunday that “Israel is number one threat to Middle East” with its nuclear arms, the official IRNA news agency reported.

    At a joint press conference with Iran’s Atomic Energy Organization chief Ali Akbar Salehi in Tehran, ElBaradei brought Israel under spotlight and said that the Tel Aviv regime has refused to allow inspections into its nuclear installations for 30years, the report said.

    “Israel is the number one threat to the Middle East given the nuclear arms it possesses,” ElBaradei was quoted as saying.

    Israel is widely assumed to have nuclear capabilities, although it refuses to confirm or deny the allegation.

    “This (possession of nuclear arms) was the cause for some proper measures to gain access to its (Israel’s) power plants … and the U.S. president has done some positive measures for the inspections to happen,” said ElBaradei.

    ElBaradei arrived in Iran Saturday for talks with Iranian officials over Tehran’s nuclear program.

    http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/10/uns-el-baradei-israel-is-number-one.html

    Well there you go. If you had any doubt that the UN was antisemetic, that says it all.

    Bonus points for sending a muslim to ensure Iran doesnt build a nuclear weapon which would be used against Israel.

  101. I guess Dodger is too much of a wuss to have the debate. No surprise there.

    BTW You got that antigovernment muslim post ready to go yet?

    I guess I’m confused about what the topic of the debate is. Let me give it a try:

    Resolved: Followers of Islam should be wiped off the face of the Earth.

    Is that the debate you want, Elric?

    As for the antigov’t Muslims …. I kinda thought that was THIS post. 🙂 Your obsession with it certainly did inspire me to write this one.

  102. “As for the antigov’t Muslims …. I kinda thought that was THIS post.”

    No moron, the post about antigovernment muslims in the US attempting to blow up federal buildings.

    “Resolved: Followers of Islam should be wiped off the face of the Earth.

    Is that the debate you want, Elric?”

    You tell me, you brought it up, not me.

  103. Now that Thuggy has some free time from important things like pimping the Olympics for his corrupt buddies, maybe he can find the time for saving US soldier ‘s lives.

    So tell me Elric, how will he save lives? Send in the 40,000 that was requested? I kinda think if we do that, lots more will die. What’s your strategy Elric? Can you spell one out without dropping a link and saying “yeah, what he said.” ?

  104. “So tell me Elric, how will he save lives? Send in the 40,000 that was requested? I kinda think if we do that, lots more will die. What’s your strategy Elric? Can you spell one out without dropping a link and saying “yeah, what he said.” ?”

    Thuggy is the one that campaigned that he would fight harder in Afghanistan. I guess he had more pressing issues like pimping the Olympics, bashing the US and pandering to the islamic world. Whats a few US soldiers lives right?

  105. Well there you go. If you had any doubt that the UN was antisemetic, that says it all.

    Now I know it’s real easy to be branded an anti-Semite but one thing that makes me curious … is it true that Israel has refused to acknowledge whether or not they have the bomb and will not allow inspections?

    If that is true, why is it not a double standard for Israel’s nuclear program to remain secret but other countries must fess up? Mind you I’m just going on the quote you provided Elric. I don’t know for a fact that Israel has been secretive about it. Can you shed some light here?

    Oh by the way, getting back to your Myspace page, it says you’re Protestant. Is that a lie too, like the gay lie? Are you Jewish? Just curious.

  106. “Now I know it’s real easy to be branded an anti-Semite but one thing that makes me curious … is it true that Israel has refused to acknowledge whether or not they have the bomb and will not allow inspections?”

    Why should they allow the antisemetic UN inspect their nukes?

    “If that is true, why is it not a double standard for Israel’s nuclear program to remain secret but other countries must fess up? Mind you I’m just going on the quote you provided Elric. I don’t know for a fact that Israel has been secretive about it. Can you shed some light here?”

    Because you got a leader in Iran threating a new holocaust for the Jews and they are lying about their nuclear ambitions. But then you are a moral relativist. If Israel has them, then why not genocidal mullahs right?

    “Oh by the way, getting back to your Myspace page, it says you’re Protestant. Is that a lie too, like the gay lie? Are you Jewish? Just curious.”

    Ahhhh the old, you defend Israel so you must be a Jooooo. Gotcha

  107. Thuggy is the one that campaigned that he would fight harder in Afghanistan. I guess he had more pressing issues like pimping the Olympics, bashing the US and pandering to the islamic world. Whats a few US soldiers lives right?

    Yup, that answered my question. You have the nerve to label me Dodger. LOL

  108. George Will: Olympic Bid ‘Was All About Them’…’Vain’ Is The Word That’s Going To Attach To Bo’s Name

    “She – Mrs. Obama – used the first person singular pronoun in some form or other – I or me – 34 times in 16 paragraphs. He [President Obama] used it 23 times in 13 paragraphs.”

  109. “Yup, that answered my question. You have the nerve to label me Dodger. LOL”

    Wasnt a dodge. Thuggy is the one that campaigned on fighting harder in Afghanistan, not me. Apparently he lied since he is doing the opposite. How is that a dodge?

  110. No moron, the post about antigovernment muslims in the US attempting to blow up federal buildings.

    There you go with “moron” again … it’s getting old dude. This post was about how I believe antigovernment Muslims in the US attempting to blow up federal buildings is a law enforcement issue. What part of that did you miss?

    Regarding the debate topic: “You tell me, you brought it up, not me.” LOL … are you really in your 40’s? Seriously. I feel like I’m in an Abbott and Costello routine.

    Let’s review: I clearly stated a question to you way back at comment #53, Since then you have been hemming and hawing about having some debate with me. There is nothing to debate … put up or shut up … are you calling for Muslim genocide?

  111. “There you go with “moron” again … it’s getting old dude. This post was about how I believe antigovernment Muslims in the US attempting to blow up federal buildings is a law enforcement issue. What part of that did you miss?”

    The part where they are a threat to the government and Thuggy like the tea partiers.

    “Let’s review: I clearly stated a question to you way back at comment #53, Since then you have been hemming and hawing about having some debate with me. There is nothing to debate … put up or shut up … are you calling for Muslim genocide?”

    Well if there is no debate, no point in answering you.

  112. Wasnt a dodge. Thuggy is the one that campaigned on fighting harder in Afghanistan, not me. Apparently he lied since he is doing the opposite. How is that a dodge?

    I didn’t ask you about Obama’s policies. I asked you to express an opinion of your own on how we should proceed. Send 40,000 more soldiers in and sustain more deaths or use some other alternatives. You dodge with a comment about Obama. I’m not interested in Obama in this line of inquiry. I’m interested in whether you can present a position and defend it.

  113. BTW, I watched George Will this morning … he missed the point that even Alfie acknowledges … Brazil had a lock on the damn thing. We didn’t stand a chance from minute one.

  114. “I’m not interested in Obama in this line of inquiry. I’m interested in whether you can present a position and defend it.”

    Of course you arent, you never are. You give the jerkoff a free pass on all his destructive policies and his lies.

  115. “Brazil had a lock on the damn thing. We didn’t stand a chance from minute one.”

    And Thuggy still went ahead like some arrogant pompous fool. Not a bright guy. Cant blame him for sealing his school records. I would too if I was a dumbshit like him.

  116. Because you got a leader in Iran threating a new holocaust for the Jews and they are lying about their nuclear ambitions. But then you are a moral relativist. If Israel has them, then why not genocidal mullahs right?

    Once again, your calling me “dodger” is a projection of your own worst traits. I did not ask you about Iran’s intentions. I asked you why is it not a double standard to demand transparency from Iran but not from Israel.

    BTW I don’t assume you have to be a Jew to be pro-Israel but I have noticed you protest A LOT about supposed anti-Semites. I just wondered what informs your sensibility.

  117. “Once again, your calling me “dodger” is a projection of your own worst traits. I did not ask you about Iran’s intentions. I asked you why is it not a double standard to demand transparency from Iran but not from Israel.”

    I answered it. Israel isnt a threat to anyone with its nukes, Iran has singled out Israel with its rhetoric .

    Its as much a double stand as law biding citizens can buy guns and convicted felons arent.

    “BTW I don’t assume you have to be a Jew to be pro-Israel but I have noticed you protest A LOT about supposed anti-Semites. I just wondered what informs your sensibility.”

    Their behavior, what they say, what they dont say and logic. If you dont believe the UN is antisemetic, well I cant help you.

  118. Now I would like everyone, especially Tex who has been so enamored of Elric lately, to look at the exchanges so far today starting at comment 135 and tell me whether or not Elric is engaging in an honest dialog.

    C’mon Tex … defend your homie’s discussion style today.

    I’m done for now … gonna go spend time with the family and get some fresh air.

    Later.

  119. “Now I would like everyone, especially Tex who has been so enamored of Elric lately, to look at the exchanges so far today starting at comment 135 and tell me whether or not Elric is engaging in an honest dialog.”

    Of course I am, I answered you honestly and openly. Surprised you werent desperate enough to get Densico to weigh in specifically.

  120. “Anyway 2016 Games should go down in history for cocaine consumption and sex parties.”-Alphie

    Damn. I’d be buying tickets right now if I was single.

  121. Good News: Britain Releasing 30 “High-Risk” Jihadists so Other Terrorists Aren’t “Inflamed”….

    What. The. Fuck?

    Up to 30 “high-risk” terrorists — including some of the most dangerous men in Britain –are due to be released from jail in the next year.

    More are being freed in the wake of a ruling by Britain’s most senior judges that long sentences for terrorist crimes could “inflame” rather than deter extremism.

    An analysis of appeal court cases shows that of the 26 terrorism cases it has heard, 25 have led to men with terrorism convictions having their sentences reduced. Others are being released because they serve only part of their term.

    The leniency of the British appeal court to some convicted terrorists contrasts with America where they can be locked up for their whole lives. One man designated “high risk” and due to be freed soon is Andrew Rowe, a Muslim convert who was found guilty of having notes on how to fire mortar bombs.

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/10/good-news-britain-releasing-30-highrisk-jihadists-so-other-terrorists-arent-inflamed.html

    No wonder we are losing this war.

  122. “Anyway 2016 Games should go down in history for cocaine consumption and sex parties.”

    Thats why America not getting it is a bitter sweet feeling lol. I foresee plenty of youtube videos and tabloid pictures.

    btw, this whole bashing obama over the olympics thing is getting old. Conservative celebs are making the party look bad. Majority of Americans wanted the Olympics to be hosted here.

    The narrative of the past two days have been “Obama put in effort to get the Olympics here [at least he tried], conservatives are happy Obama didn’t succeed [they’re laughing it up in front of the TeeVee when announced the Olympics won’t be here]”.

    There were Chicagoans crying after the news came out. Conservatives need to check the leaders of their party that are gleeful over this. Americans reward effort, more then they do failure-wishers.

  123. “sensico, you do realize half of chi-town didn’t want the Olympic?”

    Doesnt matter to Densico, only what Thuggy wanted which was to help out his corrupt Chicago thug friends like Daley and Jarrett.

  124. well I didn’t say most of Chicago was crying,

    “A new poll conducted by Zogby International indicates that Chicago’s bid to host the 2016 Olympic and Paralympic Games continues to enjoy widespread support both locally and nationally. The poll found that 72 percent of Chicagoans surveyed want the Games in Chicago, and nationally the figure is 82 percent.” http://www.chicago2016.org//the-olympic-movement/news/olympic-movement-articles//itemid/1039/Chicago-2016-Continues-to-Enjoy-Strong-Support-Locally-and-Nationally.aspx

    Thats still a great majority. I wouldn’t call it 50/50 split.

  125. Elric you’re such a bot. I bet you have this blog on auto-refresh accounting for 90% of R’s blog stats lol. Get a life, not everything requires a one sentence punchline. It’s getting really old. Here’s the template for bot-Elric’s comments that should be reported to Automattic.

    [insert random link]

    [addressee’s name], Thuggy [random insult from Fox Nation’s comment section]

    [Insert random question]

    [repeat comment template and remove link when someone responds]

  126. It wouldn’t surprise me if most of Chicago wanted them. I wish they did. I have a good buddy I could have stayed with, would have brought the little one and the wife. Once in a lifetime experience.

    Oh well.

  127. I was only trying to make a distinction. It is too simplistic to view terrorism as a law enforcement issue. Let’s entertain the notion that while Obama mulls over a request for additional troops the Afghan government falls to the Taliban. Months later, the Taliban again looks the other way after the Al Qaeda forces launch another attack upon America on the scale of 9/11. Is this a police issue? Of course not. It’s state-sponsored terrorism deserving a military response. If we’re idiots, we’ll just attack once and tell them not to do it again. I look at the Palestine-Israel model to know where that goes. So it is why you actually have to take out the government. Once that is done, what form of government do you suppose we should install? As so, you call that nation building. Again, it is too simple of a definition and ignores the many facts of the matter.

    Regarding the list, I wanted to show how many times we asked the Taliban leadership to release bin Laden. When we did that we pursued the issue at a law enforcement level. When the Taliban refused we had no more options other than military.

  128. I bet you have this blog on auto-refresh accounting for 90% of R’s blog stats lol.

    Sensico, you’ve just voiced one of my biggest fears. If I ever get around to banning Elric, I guess I’ll find out. It would be pretty disappointing to find my recently enhanced traffic due to some dumbass automation. 😦

  129. Ben, thanks for the clarification of the article you cited. I now understand your point.

    A couple of things … your conjecture of what might happen if the Afghan gov’t fell to the Taliban …. to some extent, hasn’t it already? We can hardly call Karzai’s government effective. I was just reading a Time magazine article today describing how Karzai’s own district (Kandahar?) becomes Taliban central when the sun goes down.

    But let’s go with your supposition. If al Qaeda gets a foothold in Afghanistan again, we still have to have strong domestic law enforcement to prevent another 9/11. The three plots recently foiled could just as easily have been “ordered” from a rogue state … doesn’t make a difference. Good law enforcement foiled the plots.

    To wipe out the governments that sponsor the terrorists, just makes the terrorists move elsewhere … al Qaeda is now in Pakistan.

    I agree there is no simple answer but I see us in ongoing occupation of many countries using the rationale that you’ve presented. I’m not sure that is acceptable.

  130. Obama Furious at General McChrystal Over Speech He Gave on Afghan War Strategy….

    This actually raises a good question about whether the military should speak publicly about war strategy. By voicing his opinion publicly, has McChrystal moved from soldier to politician? I haven’t settled on an answer for this in my own mind yet. As I’ve said before, I like McChrystal’s approach to the average Afghan citizen so I have no real gripe with him as a person. Just not sure it follows military protocol to put the Commander-in-Chief on the spot with a request that probably should have been handled behind closed doors.

  131. Surprised you werent desperate enough to get Densico to weigh in specifically.

    No, I addressed this to Tex because despite all the rancor between us over the past year or so, I think Tex is a critical thinker and it bothers me a bit that he never challenges your intellectually lazy and often evasive tactics, while you accuse others of being evasive.

    Asking Sensico to weigh in on this is preaching to the choir. She has already posted some excellent analyses of your style, Elric.

  132. RE:Obama Furious at General McChrystal Over Speech He Gave on Afghan War Strategy….

    Conversely, since when did Obama become a military strategist? While I realize Obama is a politician and should keep an eye on political goals he should also be talking with McChrystal more than he does and listen to an expert.

    If Obama’s political goal is to defeat the Taliban and deny Al Qaeda a safe haven then Obama should have decided last week to give what McChrystal requests.

    If Obama’s political goal is to cut and run then he needs to be talking to America to explain to us why the next attack on America won’t be coming from the same place which gave us 9/11 i.e. Al Qaeda in Afghanistan.

  133. RE:I agree there is no simple answer but I see us in ongoing occupation of many countries using the rationale that you’ve presented. I’m not sure that is acceptable.

    If not acceptable, please offer an alternative. But know a decision must be made. To ignore it is folly.

  134. RE:To wipe out the governments that sponsor the terrorists, just makes the terrorists move elsewhere … al Qaeda is now in Pakistan.

    Precisely. Then Pakistan has a stake in the problem – as she does anyway. If she is cool with the terrorists then that makes her an enemy of just about every civilized country on this rock. If not, then her responsibility is to destroy the Taliban for her own sake….. if she has the political will, otherwise it is no longer a local law enforcement issue.

    In your eyes, Pakistan now has a law enforcement problem. But it’s not that simple. What she is really up against is an ideology which threatens to overthrow her seated government. Being a nuclear power, to allow her to fall to the Taliban and Al Qaeda is insane. Aside from the U.S., India would be getting extremely nervous. Now it has escalated.

    Under this scenerio, the U.S. policy is to move in to secure the nukes. Whether or not we can secure them the world (actually the U.S. because the world does not really seem to want to get involved with this) still has a problem with a country governed by the Taliban who now possibly possess a warhead. Not acceptable.

    So tell me, what do we do with this problem? Do we stick our heads in the sand and hope these bastards forget their idea of Islamic domination at any cost? Remember their agenda includes the destruction if Israel.

    In a region of dictatorships, monarchies and theocracies with a foot in tribal law maybe a little nation building is overdue.

    At the end of the argument it boils down to knowing what kind of world we want. If we want a world with rogue states such as Syria, N.Korea and Iran who threaten the world nations who threaten nations with being “wiped off the map” then fear, uncertainty and doubt will rule the day. If we want a world with a stable future then we must get involved.

    I agree, it’s ugly. But we cannot afford to sit on our hands and hope for the best.

    One more thing. No amount of law enforcement on the ground will prevent a freighter from quietly slipping into Boston harbor with a nuke on board.

    Newt Gingrich “gets it”:

    “I think those of you who care about civil liberties had better be thinking through how we win this war before the (civilian) casualties get so great that the American people voluntarily give up a lot of those liberties.” – Speech at the National Press Club, Aug. 7, 2007

  135. “In your eyes, Pakistan now has a law enforcement problem.”

    Dodger has a pre 9-11 view of the world. Plus he has no clue what drives the ideology of the enemy.

  136. “I think Tex is a critical thinker and it bothers me a bit that he never challenges your intellectually lazy and often evasive tactics, while you accuse others of being evasive.”

    Protecting again Dodger? I answered your questions even though you never return the courtesy.

  137. “His plan comes up short. There’s not enough troops, not enough resources and not enough urgency. What President Bush and Senator McCain don’t understand is that the central front in the War on Terror is not in Iraq and never was. The central front is in Afghanistan and Pakistan where the terrorists who hit us on 9-11 are still plotting attacks seven years later.”

    Senator Barack Obama
    On the Bush war strategy
    September 9, 2008

    In case you missed one of Thuggy’s biggest lies

  138. UN Climate Reports: They Lie
    By Marc Sheppard

    For years, claims that UN climate reports represent the consensus of the majority of international scientists have been mindlessly accepted and regurgitated by left-leaning policy makers and the media at large. But in the past week or so, it’s become more apparent than ever that those who’ve accused the international organization of politicizing science and manipulating data have been right all along.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/un_climate_reports_they_lie.html

  139. RE:British Foreign Secretary Miliband Tells Obama to Quit Voting Present & Send More Troops to Afghanistan

    Obama is dangerously over his head on this issue. He seems to be more comfortable dealing with controversial domestic issues than listening to the expert advice of General McChrystal.

    At the end of the president’s Denmark trip to make his pitch for the Chicago Olympics Obama met with Gen. McChrystal. Our commander in Afghanistan was summoned from London and got 25 minutes of face time with the commander-in-chief.

    That’s it — 25 minutes on the plane for the man Obama picked to lead 68,000 troops and rescue a war he calls one of “necessity.” Compare that to the 14 hours or so Obama wasted flying and speaking about the Olympics, and you get a snapshot of a president off course.

    If he continues to drag his feet on this issue the problem will evolve into failure. I’d wager then he will blame McChrystal for it.

    Meanwhile, Israel is getting nervous over Iran’s pursuit of nukes. What do yo want to bet that after Israel attacks those facilities that Obama throws Israel under the bus?

  140. Ben,

    But Thuggy will meet with the head of the SEIU once a week. His priority is with union thugs not our troops.

    At this point only real Americans oppose Thuggy’s policies and agenda.

    “What do yo want to bet that after Israel attacks those facilities that Obama throws Israel under the bus?”

    He already has. Per order from his antisemetic mentor Rev Wright

  141. When I look at the number of homicide bombers (I won’t be calling them suicide bombers any longer) drunk on their Islamic ideology and extremely willing to strap on a C4 vest to detonate on a bus or an open market, after the Taliban get a Pakistani nuke, it makes me wonder how long the line of volunteers will be for the chance to drive a nuke-laden truck into Tel Aviv.

  142. RE:He already has. Per order from his antisemitic mentor Rev Wright
    Yes, I have listened to Rev. Wright’s characterizations of the Jewish race. This among others causes me to believe Rev Wright is a racist.

    Then it causes me to ask this question: If over a period of 20 years I attend meetings whose leader and speaker is called a Grand Dragon, what would that make me?

  143. Ben,

    Or if Iran gets one. Which wouldnt be long after. But thats what Thuggy wants. He didnt spend 20 years in his “church” without leaving with some hatred of Israel.

  144. “If over a period of 20 years I attend meetings whose leader and speaker is called a Grand Dragon, what would that make me?”

    A republican? 🙂

    Seriously I fully understand the hypocrisy. Sad isnt it. But if you did, you wouldnt have made it through the primaries like Thuggy did.

  145. Let me go on record as saying I denounce the KKK or any other racially motivated group designed to advance racism. It has no place in my world.

  146. All, sorry, I’ve been pretty busy of late. I’m late to the thread, and to be frank, I’ve no time to go through the past comments right now, but since this is what I do, I wanted to share some thoughts.

    We’ve all heard the phrase “the war on terror” so long now that we just accept it. “Let’s stop them over there before they come over here” is the other slogan that gets bandied about. Even I was among the gang that said Afghanistan was the “right war” and Iraq was the wrong one.” – R

    So you don’t believe this is a war? That’s interesting, because they do. In fact, they’ve believed this was a war for decades now- not just since 9/11. The World Trade Center was bombed in 1993, we treated it as a law enforcement issue and you can see where that got us. The US Embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, the USS Cole, Khobar Towers is Saudi Arabia- all treated as law enforcement issues.

    The fact of the matter is, we are at war, and the war is over there because that is where they have sanctuary for training and planning. The 9/11 highjackers did flight training here, they did financial ops there, they did weapons training there, they did operational planning there. Having the war over There is a lot better than Here.

    I am now rethinking that evaluation. First, let’s examine the phrase “over there”. Where is that exactly? None of the 9/11 hijackers were Afghan nationals and they received the critical training they needed right here in the United States. There are terrorist cells all over the world. How many countries are we going to occupy in the effort to stop them “over there”? ” – R

    Over there is where they are at. Horn of Africa, Yemen, North Africa, throughout the Middle East, Sudan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, etc. There is nothing obtuse about their location, except in its specificity.

    All of the 9/11 highjackers spent some time in at least one of the locations I mention- every single one. To think that has no bearing is pretty naïve.

    More importantly, why do we need “war” to stop terrorism? The latest slew of Jihadist wanna-be’s were all stopped using good old fashioned intelligence, local law enforcement and the FBI. No soldiers had to die. No witnesses had to be tortured. Terrorist organizations are not strictly hierarchical so the notion that killing “the leaders” in their native countries will stop the lower level operatives is naive at best. No matter how many bad guys we kill in Afghanistan and Pakistan, we will remain vulnerable here at home without solid law enforcement.” – R

    Jihadist wanna-be’s? Jihad means to struggle, not succeed. The fact that you had an effort should scare the shit out of you. This is why I can’t fathom this as a law enforcement issue, especially with liberals. You guys don’t take crime serious, how the hell are you going to take this serious? These people will cut your head off, in front of your family, smiling the whole time. This is what you don’t get- intention.

    Criminals like money, so they commit crimes for profit and the crimes they commit are based on a cost benefit analysis- how much can I make. If they can’t make much in this particular, then they just move on to another crime to make money.

    Jihadist’s kill the infidel because Allah told them to. They don’t do it because it somehow brings them worldly benefits- all of their beliefs pay in the end, paradise. So, how do you propose to deal with a group who’s ideology fundamentally forbids your existence?

    As we try to “stop them over there”, we find ourselves with mission creep. We’ve installed a shaky democracy in Iraq and supported a downright corrupt government in Afghanistan. In Afghanistan we have a country essentially left behind by history. The running joke is you can’t “bomb them back into the stone age” … they are already there. We have a tribal society there in no way prepared for democracy. Yet we seem lately to be pursuing a mission of remaking every perceived hostile country over in our own image.” – R

    Installed? Shaky? You’re talking out your ass and you know it. You’ve no comprehension of the political dynamics of Iraq or of their parliamentary system, so keep your Code Pink gross misinformation to your self.

    I would suggest you examine Afghanistan pre-Soviet invasion to today. How did they get to where they’re at?

    The fact is Afghanistan is not going to fly military jets over the Atlantic ocean to bomb us. We have absolutely no business being at war with them. Terrorism is a crime, it is not an act of war. The way to fight terrorism here at home is with solid cooperative efforts from the FBI and local law enforcement. Recent events bear this out.” – R

    Quite simply, why then did this not work pre-9/11? They didn’t fly military jets in the first place, they used box cutters and preyed on the psyche that we’ve been fed by liberals for decades to do nothing and everything will be alright.

    You do not fundamentally understand who you are dealing with, what they want, or what they’re willing to do to get it. Repeatedly, it falls to people like me and the great men and women of the Armed Services, willing to leave all that we hold dear and true, so that we can face evil because you won’t. The last thing we need to do, is forget that they are at war with us- regardless of what you think or feel- this single point mandates that we address as a war and not as some gang running around in downtown Chicago.

  147. “That’s interesting, because they do. In fact, they’ve believed this was a war for decades now- not just since 9/11.”

    More like since 638 AD to be precise

    “So, how do you propose to deal with a group who’s ideology fundamentally forbids your existence?”

    Now we are getting somewhere

    “You do not fundamentally understand who you are dealing with, what they want, or what they’re willing to do to get it.”

    No he isnt. I offered a full debate on it but alas he wimped out as usual.

  148. First, the unions came for home-care providers. Next, they came for babysitters…
    By Michelle Malkin • October 5, 2009 01:03 PM

    In Illinois, in-home providers who care for the developmentally disabled are battling an aggressive power grab by the SEIU Purple Army and its Democrat enablers.

    In Michigan, the unions are going after…home-based child care workers.

    That’s right.

    Last month, the Mackinac Center blew the whistle on the scheme and filed suit against the Michigan Department of Human Services to prevent illegal siphoning of so-called “union dues” from state child care assistance payments to home-based day care providers. Instead of an executive order, the Michigan government abetted the unions by creating a “shell” corporation through the use of an “interlocal agreement” between the state’s DHS and a local community College. Here’s the deal:

    http://michellemalkin.com/2009/10/05/first-the-unions-came-for-home-care-providers-next-they-came-for-babysitters/

    Thuggery 101

  149. I offered a full debate on it but alas he wimped out as usual.

    LOL Elric you are too much. What do you want to debate? The evils of Islam? We can debate that all day without any solution. What you don’t want to debate is the resolution I presented to you. Why not? Let me repeat it:

    Resolved: Followers of Islam should be wiped off the face of the Earth.

  150. Gorilla, I’m not ignoring you. Gonna go get some lunch and then I’ll respond …. spent part of today dealing with a potential law suit from one of your proud and brave tea party attendees.

  151. “Resolved: Followers of Islam should be wiped off the face of the Earth.”

    You said it, not me.

    Nice debating style. You learn that at Harvard?

  152. You said it, not me.

    Nice debating style. You learn that at Harvard?

    Elric, I hate throwing insults around but you truly are a dimwit.

    This is how a debate works Elric … a resolution is presented. One side of the debate defends the resolution and the other side opposes it. All I’ve done is state the resolution. Are you pro or con? Or do you wish to keep dodging the question?

  153. “Sensico, you’ve just voiced one of my biggest fears. If I ever get around to banning Elric, I guess I’ll find out. It would be pretty disappointing to find my recently enhanced traffic due to some dumbass automation.”

    well, you could work it out to get an idea maybe of what your unique visitor count is looking like. btw, I’d like to take credit for Prof. Hippie even knowing about your bloooog lol and maybe Ben too, but maybe he found this blog on Hippie’s blog. Remember, you get 2 blog hits for every comment. Then after a little division you should have the number of single clicks made. Then you can take an educated guess and figure that most (but not all) are from Elric 😛
    Or just go to statcounter.com for detailed stats 🙂

  154. “This is how a debate works Elric … a resolution is presented. One side of the debate defends the resolution and the other side opposes it. All I’ve done is state the resolution. Are you pro or con? Or do you wish to keep dodging the question?”

    Funny how you dodge numerous questions I pose but you are fixated on me answering something from you.

    When you get serious about debate let me know moron.

    BTW Densico, you got that definition of islamophobia and examples yet moron?

  155. Consumer Stimulus Spending Program
    The Recovery Act was passed by Congress and signed into law by President Obama on Feb. 17, 2009. The purpose of the $787 billion Recovery package was to jump-start the economy to create and save jobs. Unfortunately, the US economy is taking longer than expected to recover due to the fact that Americans are just not spending enough money.

    To combat this problem, the Obama Administration has created the Consumer Stimulus Spending Program. The goal is to have Americans start spending money again like it grows on trees.

    The Bureau of Engraving and Printing has created a secure money-printing application which is available to interested citizens on an as-needed basis. Federal law requires that all money printed through this program must be used on impulse purchases only.

    http://whitehouse.gov1.info/bep/index.html

    Awesome. First good idea Thuggy ever had.

  156. OK President Obama, leaving Afghanistan is not an option.

    Let’s roll.

    Quit being a butt dart and give the General his god damn troops, already!

    I guarantee they have been asking for a half year now now.

  157. Damn…what doesn’t Obama eff up! He can’t even maintain a normal relationship with his top NATO Commander.

    Booooo!

    While libs can question the general’s brutal honesty, how come they aren’t questioning why the hell the coments had to be made.

    This gutless President has been dragging his feet on what needs to be done.

    Now, Rutherford seems to have Afghanistan figured out. Fair enough. Then start bitching at your beloved to pull the hell out!

  158. DR,

    Plus I posted his video back last year when he said he would fight harder in Afghanistan. Of course the drones here didnt comment on on of Thuggy’s biggest lies.

  159. New al-Qaeda message: “After the election, we say to the unbeliever, Crusader German nation, may poison spill upon you and those who want war!”

    Never mind that Germany is in Afghanistan in the first place as part of NATO, and in response to the 9/11 attacks by al-Qaeda’s jihadists. Aside from that, the threat is unusually specific — either spoken in extreme confidence that an attack will go forward, or intended to divert authorities’ time and energy and create a distraction from other jihadist operations.

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/new-al-qaeda-message-after-the-election-we-say-to-the-unbeliever-crusader-german-nation-may-poison-s.html

    Wanna bet its carried out by homegrown muslims? Ummah comes first after all.

  160. A U.N. Report and Double Standards

    When the head of the UN Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza conflict, Judge Richard Goldstone, appeared on Al Jazeera after releasing the findings of his commission’s report last week, he shed some more light on the purpose of his mission’s report. Speaking with the Al Jazeera interviewer, Goldstone elucidated that he personally hoped that the commission’s report would ultimately lead to prosecutions of Israel and Palestinian armed forces in the International Criminal Court. Such prosecutions would hold Israel accountable for alleged human rights violations that the UN has worked for years to expose.

    Goldstone explained in the interview that it is the obligation of the international community to hold sovereign states accountable of alleged human rights violations.

    Of course, this is most ironic when the Human Rights Council that established Goldstone’s Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict is composed of countries that have frequently and freely violated international human rights laws, including Pakistan, Bangladesh, Syria and Somalia.

    http://frontpagemag.com/?p=24516

    Here is your real double standard Dodger. I know you already wimped out of that debate but here you go anyway

  161. Hey Rutherford….this song is for you.

    Some white dork from Detroit doing Motown. Who knows, maybe this is the Dead Rabbit himself.

    I’m thinking you need some good break up music to make it all easier when you and Obama go your separate ways.

    Obama is becoming impossible for you to defend.

  162. Sensico,

    I thought the point of this post was that R disagrees with Obama on Afghanistan.

    Well, Rutherford sort of disagrees. But to get down to the brass tacks, in this case, Rutherford is reading BOMBA’s mind.

    Truth be told, BOMBA would love to be out of Afghanistan. But being there’s already a good indicator that THE BOMBA has no balls, Mr. Megalomaniac can’t afford to look the coward.

    Our illustrious President is in way over his head. Hopefully, we can boot him out before he gets us nuked. It may already be too late with his placation of all of our enemies about how America is evil. That was all the justification Al-Qaeda needed to launch another assault on American lives on our soil.

    Foolish, foolish man.

  163. Video: CNN helps Obama out by … fact-checking SNL’s skit
    posted at 7:52 pm on October 5, 2009 by Allahpundit
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    Via Greg Hengler. Heaven forbid that the average half-drunk late-night Saturday TV viewer be “misinformed” about our savior by a comedy show reminding them that health care’s “not done” (which it isn’t) and that Afghanistan’s gotten worse this year (which it has). Even if you want to clap Obama on the back for keeping his promise to send more troops, might it not perhaps be worth mentioning that he’s currently rethinking the entire “war of necessity” mindset on which he campaigned?

    Let’s see if you can guess how the segment ends. Think: Media outlet is in the tank, subject is SNL skewering politicians. What footage is damned near obligatory here? And there it is, at 2:50.

  164. Elric,

    You realize that Rutherford will now expect me to scold you, don’t you? 😉

    For the record, I find most of the stuff you post incredibly interesting or very funny, and virtually all true. It’s my first link every day I’m here and I’ve used some of it on occasion.

    There Rutherford – I just scolded Elric. Hopefully, that met with your satisfaction. 🙂

  165. I don’t recall CNN spending 3 and a half minutes dissecting the factual claims in SNL spoofs on Bush.

    Unbelievable.

  166. Did We Elect a Beta Male As President?
    By Greg Lewis

    We’re all somewhat familiar with the body language dogs display when they greet each other. The dominant alpha male approaches directly, asserting his authority, while the beta male genuflects, crouches, tucks his tail, and may even end up on his back, exposing his neck in acquiescence, making sure the alpha male knows he has no intention of challenging him. With his “we will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist” opening to the world’s dictators, the President is exhibiting classic beta male behavior, in essence rolling over on his back and exposing his throat to them to make sure they know he has no intention of challenging their authority.

    Of course, the problem is that he’s not simply exposing his throat, he’s exposing America’s collective throat, sending the message that he’s a typical beta male intent on submitting to all the alpha male leaders around the world, and damn the consequences. His response to the discovery of Iran’s newest, and heretofore “secret,” nuclear facility was, as Daniel Henninger (Wall Street Journal, October 1, 2009) points out, to have our State Department offer to start a direct dialogue with the tyrannical Burmese regime.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/did_we_elect_a_beta_male_as_pr_1.html

  167. Elric: “Plus I posted his video back last year when he said he would fight harder in Afghanistan. Of course the drones here didnt comment on on of Thuggy’s biggest lies.”

    Got a link to that comment?

  168. Gorilla writes

    Over there is where they are at. Horn of Africa, Yemen, North Africa, throughout the Middle East, Sudan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, etc. There is nothing obtuse about their location, except in its specificity.

    So you recommend sending troops to Sudan, Indonesia, Malaysia, etc. too? Should we start a draft to chase down all these terrorists all over the world?

    Criminals like money, so they commit crimes for profit and the crimes they commit are based on a cost benefit analysis

    Not true of rapists, serial killers, firebug arsonists (as opposed to insurance scam arsonists), etc. The terrorists we are fighting think Allah told them to commit their crimes. The psychos we go after in law enforcement every day have similar delusions.

    Installed? Shaky? You’re talking out your ass and you know it.

    That’s not a response. Provide me with any recent account that characterizes the Malaki government as stable and functional.

    Repeatedly, it falls to people like me and the great men and women of the Armed Services, willing to leave all that we hold dear and true …

    Willingness to sacrifice on our behalf does not substitute for smart foreign policy. You call me a typical naive liberal. Quite honestly, I find your attitude toward the tremendous loss of life in our miliatry simplistic verging on heartless. Sit in Obama’s chair for a minute and think about the number of letters you have to write to widows and surviving parents. You can so easily sit there and tell me the loss is completely justified and that no consideration of other options should be made? Simply a knee-jerk yes Sir General McChrystal, how many more bodies Sir!

    I direct this same question to Ben also.

    P.S, to Ben … I’m not sure comparing Afghanistan to post WWII Germany and Japan is at all accurate. Also, you seem pleased that al qaeda was pushed into Pakistan but you seem to ignore that Pakistan is not doing nearly enough to wipe them out. Do we send troops into our ally Pakistan now?

  169. Speaking of Sarah Palin … great quote from Margaret Carlson (for those of you who don’t read the Twitter feed on my sidebar)

    “Sarah Palin seems genuinely committed to knowing as little as possible”.

  170. Sensico, LOL …. hey Barack better be into me cos I seem to be the only one not completely razzing him right now. Hell, SNL, not known for its conservative bent, completely destroyed him.

    Oh and Tex … the mutual masturbation session between you and Elric is unbecoming to say the least. Your refusal to call him on his most obvious brain dead attempts at argument (or complete lack of argument) shows a slavish devotion to conservatism and Obama-bashing that undermines any claims you might have had to intellectual integrity. Or are you saying you simply enjoy Elric for the comic relief? If that is the case, I sometimes agree with you on that.

  171. yeah I saw that SNL skit, I don’t know why conservatives are laughing since the skit proved their attacks are baseless….that’s if you think Obama hasn’t accomplished anything. I think the economy not imploding is accomplishing something. He got the stimulus through, the economic downturn is slowing. The other stuff doesn’t matter comparable to the economy. And issues like gays in the military might be important, but I’m pretty sure the everyday guy isn’t losing sleep over it.

    I’d like to see him take on immigration next.

    “Oh and Tex … the mutual masturbation session between you and Elric is unbecoming to say the least.”

    lol I agree. When I read comments #218 & 219, I did a pause in disgust. I’m quite surprised, I don’t think this is the same Tex I knew and hated

  172. Sensico: ” I think the economy not imploding is accomplishing something.”

    Gee. The sun didn’t implode yet, either. You going to credit Barack Obama for that, too?

    For all you, or anyone else knows, the economy was never going to implode. We can’t prove a negative. Sorry, no points awarded.

    “He got the stimulus through”

    And, like the jackass that signed it, it has done nothing in 8 months. We were told passing it make it so unemployment would not excede 8%. We are at 9.8%. Sorry, no points for this, either.

    “the economic downturn is slowing.”

    Care to expand on this? Exactly what part of the economic downturn is slowing? It sure isn’t unemployment.

    The only way the gov can get anyone to buy anything is by giving out subsidies and credits. And when the freebies stop, so does the buying. Sorry, but I’m afraid you get no points for this, either.

    “The other stuff doesn’t matter comparable to the economy.”

    Is that what our wars are to you? Is that what you think of men serving and dying in another country to keep you safe in yours? “Other stuff” that “doesn’t matter”?

    Niiiiice.

    “…but I’m pretty sure the everyday guy isn’t losing sleep over it.”

    Since more than 75% of Americans have health insurance, and are happy with it, I would say that the everyday guy isn’t losing any sleep over his health care coverage, either.

    And I doubt the everyday guy is losing sleep over closing Gitmo or about reading terrorists their rights.

    So don’t even think about trying to sell that the only issues that matter to Barack Obama and his band of liberal lemmings are the ones that keep Joe Schmoe up at night.

    The amature you idiots have given this country to is so far out of his league that it isn’t even funny. He did nothing as a scholar (obviously). He did nothing as a community organizer (those buildings still have asbestos). He did nothing as a state senator. He did nothing as a junior senator (except vote present). And he is doing nothing as the most powerful man on the face of Planet Earth. His entire career has been spent preaching HOPE, as if that alone was the catalyst for CHANGE.

    And as we are now seeing (and as some of us knew all along), HOPE isn’t enough. It takes action combined with leadership, resolve, experience, and knowledge.

    Barack Obama is not showing any one of those qualities.

  173. Densico,

    “Oh and Tex … the mutual masturbation session between you and Elric is unbecoming to say the least.”

    What’s really unbecoming is the marshmallows I’ve wasted throwing them into the monkey cage with you, as you sit there smelling your finger…

  174. Speaking of Sarah Palin … great quote from Margaret Carlson (for those of you who don’t read the Twitter feed on my sidebar)

    “Sarah Palin seems genuinely committed to knowing as little as possible”.

    And this from the so-called publicly funded PBS bespectacled objective journalist? Another in a list of ugly, liberal women reeking of ammonia, jealous of the hot bod.

    It really does piss me off that my tax dollars are going to support hags like under the false pretenses of the big lie in attempting to be objective.

  175. “What’s really unbecoming is the marshmallows I’ve wasted throwing them into the monkey cage with you, as you sit there smelling your finger…”

    LOL Too true. Drones really arent worth the time.

  176. Elric,

    Sarah Palin is all Rutherford has got anymore. “R” hasn’t handled very well his bro’ being the object of ridicule, no matter how richly deserved. From the baseless charges of racism, to the misdirected anger at BOMBA accusers, Rutherford’s weakness has surprised me. Even Rutherford knows Bomba has been a miserable failure, though he’ll never admit it.

    And since you are the biggest thorn in “R”‘s tender ass, the fact that I would lend my support to your posts makes it virtually unbearable.

    What was that old Klingon cliche? Revenge is a dish best served cold?

  177. “I think someone (Elric?) already brought this up, but I am puzzled what the heck the White House is thinking by dissing the Dalai Lama to make China happy.”

    Are you that much of a moron? Look at Thuggy’s behavior. He always chooses despots and islamists over good.

  178. Tex,

    Almost makes you feel sorry for Dodger. Guy was expecting some miracle worker that was smart and charismatic and look what he got. A bumbling idiot that only our enemies like. Not like as in respect. Despots and islamists dont respect beta dogs.

    Dodger probably cries himself to sleep every night over what a loser Thuggy is and curses Palin’s name to ease the pain.

  179. Elric,

    I’m not sure I agree with you concerning Rutherford about Palin. He’s manic, almost to the point almost stalking. I can see him flying around the country, trying to get a hotel room beside her to peer thru the hole to film her naked. I think his wee penis is stiff when he talks about Sarah. He’d run off from his family to get a sniff of her.

    Effeminate “progressive” men that aren’t lite in the loafers aren’t used to being around strong, beautiful, stacked women. They salivate like dogs, knowing the closest they’ll get to that is the pictures they masturbate to while they “man” the blog.

    But I do have to agree that Rutherford just can’t bring himself to say these words: “I was wrong and you were right Tex – BOMBA is feckless.” 🙂

  180. Tex,

    Well dodger is definitely a beta male. It would explain why strong conservative women intimidate him and why he mindlessly follows the progressive heard.

    I do hope Palin tightens security once she does run. She doesnt need obsessive creeps stalking her.

  181. Effeminate “progressive” men that aren’t lite in the loafers aren’t used to being around strong, beautiful, stacked women. They salivate like dogs, knowing the closest they’ll get to that is the pictures they masturbate to while they “man” the blog.

    ROTFLMAO! That was a great quote to start my day. Tex, you auditioning to replace Rich Lowry at the National Review?

    I’m sure I’m not the only male in America who, when Palin dropped her first wink, sat up a little straighter on the couch and said, “Hey, I think she just winked at me.” And her smile. By the end, when she clearly knew she was doing well, it was so sparkling it was almost mesmerizing. It sent little starbursts through the screen and ricocheting around the living rooms of America.

    The more I think of it, the more likely it is that Sarah is responsible for Elric’s gender-preference conversion since his Myspace days. 😀 🙂 😀

  182. You Can’t Say That
    At the UN, the Obama administration backs limits on free speech.
    by Anne Bayefsky
    10/05/2009 12:00:00 AM

    The Obama administration has marked its first foray into the UN human rights establishment by backing calls for limits on freedom of expression. The newly-minted American policy was rolled out at the latest session of the UN Human Rights Council, which ended in Geneva on Friday. American diplomats were there for the first time as full Council members and intent on making friends.

    President Obama chose to join the Council despite the fact that the Organization of the Islamic Conference holds the balance of power and human rights abusers are among its lead actors, including China, Cuba, and Saudi Arabia. Islamic states quickly interpreted the president’s penchant for “engagement” as meaning fundamental rights were now up for grabs. Few would have predicted, however, that the shift would begin with America’s most treasured freedom.

    For more than a decade, a UN resolution on the freedom of expression was shepherded through the Council, and the now defunct Commission on Human Rights which it replaced, by Canada. Over the years, Canada tried mightily to garner consensus on certain minimum standards, but the “reformed” Council changed the distribution of seats on the UN’s lead human rights body. In 2008, against the backdrop of the publication of images of Mohammed in a Danish newspaper, Cuba and various Islamic countries destroyed the consensus and rammed through an amendment which introduced a limit on any speech they claimed was an “abuse . . . [that] constitutes an act of racial or religious discrimination.”

    The Obama administration decided that a revamped
    freedom of expression resolution, extracted from Canadian hands, would be an ideal emblem for its new engagement policy. So it cosponsored a resolution on the subject with none other than Egypt–a country characterized by an absence of freedom of expression.

    Privately, other Western governments were taken aback and watched the weeks of negotiations with dismay as it became clear that American negotiators wanted consensus at all costs. In introducing the resolution on Thursday, October 1–adopted by consensus the following day–the ranking U.S. diplomat, Chargé d’Affaires Douglas Griffiths, crowed:

    “The United States is very pleased to present this joint project with Egypt. This initiative is a manifestation of the Obama administration’s commitment to multilateral engagement throughout the United Nations and of our genuine desire to seek and build cooperation based upon mutual interest and mutual respect in pursuit of our shared common principles of tolerance and the dignity of all human beings.”

    http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/017/043ytrhc.asp

    Thuggy always sides with tyranny

  183. Although I must concede that given the following line-up:
    Michelle Malkin
    Ann Coulter
    Laura Ingraham
    Liz Cheney

    Sarah does make the wiener stand up and take notice.

    Then Sarah opens her mouth

    and the wiener deflates to its prior flaccid position. 😦

  184. Abbas lighting fuse for third intifada
    Leo Rennert

    The “moderate” Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas has started to take a page from the playbook of his old partner, Yasir Arafat, and is moving away from diplomacy to violence to achieve his objectives. He is lighting the fuse for a third intifada.

    It all began on Sept. 27 — the eve of Yom Kippur when Arab rioters threw stones at French tourists on Temple Mount. Jewish worshipers at the Western Wall also became targets.

    Abbas’s Palestinian Authority, instead of helping to restore order, hailed the rioters as defenders of a holy Muslim site — Al Aqsa atop the mount. It also engaged in incitement to further violence by falsely claiming that the French tourists were “extremist settlers” bent on conquering Temple Mount, which is under the administrative control of the Arab Wafq.

    The ripple effects were immediate throughout the Muslim world. Jordan, which destroyed age-old synagogues when it controlled the Old City and banned Jews from praying at the Western Wall, had the chutzpah to call in the Israeli ambassador in Amman and chastise Israel for daring to put down riots.

    In Istanbul, thousands of Palestinian sympathizers burned Israeli flags. In Israel, lawyers representing Arab parties joined in the incitement fray, calling for more confrontations and the firing of Jerusalem’s police chief

    Rioting resumed in the Old City during this last weekend, forcing Israeli police to shut down Temple Mount on Sunday. Police discovered wheelbarrows full of stones throughout the Al Aqsa compound, ready to escalate the rioting.

    Still, Israel tried to accommodate Muslim worshipers and reopened Temple Mount and access to Al-Aqsa on Monday, Oct. 4 to men over the age of 50.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/10/abbas_lighting_fuse_for_third.html

    Betcha Thuggy backs the intafada

  185. You know the other thing I just love? Tex sings the praises of organized religion when it is religious devotion, plain and simple, that has us in the midst of this global terrorist clusterf*ck.

    One has to wonder if all the good that has been done in the name of religion is worth a damn if it all ends in an apocalypse.

  186. “One has to wonder if all the good that has been done in the name of religion is worth a damn if it all ends in an apocalypse.”

    Its islam and marxism thats going to bring it about not Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism or Buddhism.

    I know you are a moron and think all religions are basically the same but they arent. But then, you never want to debate that.

  187. FCC Won’t Allow ‘Diversity’ Chief Mark Lloyd to be Interviewed about Public Policy Views
    Tuesday, October 06, 2009
    By Matt Cover

    (CNSNews.com) –The Federal Communication Commission (FCC) won’t allow its Chief Diversity Officer Mark Lloyd to be interviewed by the news media about his views and past statements on federal communications policy.

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/55040

    Whatcha hiding thug?

  188. Wounded US Soldiers Refused MEDEVAC

    So let me get this straight. It’s Obama’s fault that wounded soldiers refused to be rescued so they could stay and support their peers? Or are you saying that 40,000 more troops would magically make this scenario disappear?

  189. “So let me get this straight. It’s Obama’s fault that wounded soldiers refused to be rescued so they could stay and support their peers? Or are you saying that 40,000 more troops would magically make this scenario disappear?”

    Im saying they doesnt deserve a cowardly beta dog as a CIC.

  190. Obama called the doctors to the white house. Of course it was astroturfing but it wasn’t presented as anything but. When was there any spin “doctors spontaneously descend on White House”?

    Keep throwing stuff at the wall Elric. Just have that mop handy when none of your stuff sticks. 🙂

    P.S. You’re so bad at this analysis game you missed what might have been a valid gripe. After the lawn speech, Obama did not meet with any of the doctors personally. Hey … I learned that nugget on the infinitely biased PMSNBC. 🙂

  191. “Batbama cartoon funny but silly. At least it wasn’t offensive.”

    Hilarious that he is ignoring Afghanistan as our troops are ambushed and dying.

  192. But then, you never want to debate that.

    I see you keep changing the debate topic. On Alfie’s blog you claimed the topic was US policy toward Israel. Now you say it is about the comparative merits of various religions.

    I’m gonna make this easy for you Elric. Let’s accept the following assertion: radical Islam is more dangerous to the long term interests of civilized society than other religions.

    Now I will give you two topics to debate and you get to choose:

    1. Resolved: All followers of Islam should be wiped from the face of the Earth.

    or

    2. Resolved: All followers of Islam should be converted to another religion (Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.)

    Take your pick and make your assessment. I’ve made it real easy for you.

  193. “Let’s accept the following assertion: radical Islam is more dangerous to the long term interests of civilized society than other religions.”

    Do you agree with that assertion? Yes or no?

  194. “Hey Elric, just curious … what’s your assessment of George W. Bush as CiC pre-surge? Real effective right?”

    He pushed for the surge despite the backstabbing of your party. Anything else?

  195. One has to wonder if all the good that has been done in the name of religion is worth a damn if it all ends in an apocalypse.

    When you going to figure out “R” that men is inherently evil and that was the reason for the One who created You?

    But if you would prefer to pull all Christians out, you can rest assured you could “speed” the process up.

  196. He pushed for the surge despite the backstabbing of your party. Anything else?

    Nice dodge. I said “pre-surge”. If I recall the surge happened real late in the war and the push for it happened real late. Wanna try the question again, or just dodge it?

  197. Tex,

    Funny how he ducked the debate. He is so reluctant to engage the issue. I was even nice enough to ask him if he agreed with the premise he set but for some reason he ducked out.

  198. “Nice dodge. I said “pre-surge”. If I recall the surge happened real late in the war and the push for it happened real late. Wanna try the question again, or just dodge it?”

    Didnt dodge it. Bush realized a surge was needed and rectified the problem despite the backstabbing from your party. Now Thuggy who didnt support it in Iraq campaigned in supporting it in Afghanistan. Of course now he has too many pressing issues like the Olympics to help out US soldiers that are dying.

    Anything else?

  199. “Let’s accept the following assertion: radical Islam is more dangerous to the long term interests of civilized society than other religions.”

    Do you agree with that assertion? Yes or no?

    I want to answer that question with care. I highlighted the word “radical” in the above statement so that we can be very clear. From my POV, your world view is that Islam = Radical Islam. I do not believe that. With that said, current events demonstrate that more violence and anti-social behavior is being done in the name of radical Islam than in even the more radical forms of other religions. Now that my assertion is clear, pick your solution.

  200. “I want to answer that question with care.”

    Of course. Dont want to “offend”

    “From my POV, your world view is that Islam = Radical Islam. I do not believe that.”

    So whats the difference? Was Mo-bomb-ed a “moderate” or “radical”. Explain why.

    “With that said, current events demonstrate that more violence and anti-social behavior is being done in the name of radical Islam than in even the more radical forms of other religions. ”

    Any why is that?

    “Now that my assertion is clear, pick your solution.”

    If I answer that, you going to answer the questions I posed above?

  201. So whats the difference? Was Mo-bomb-ed a “moderate” or “radical”. Explain why.

    I can only say what I’ve seen debated in this blog. Mohammed was a complicated man whose approaches differed at different times in his life, sometimes moderate, sometimes intolerant.

    Any why is that?

    Good question. The answer to that question might help us find a solution. I would point to economic disadvantage causing desperation but there are poor of other religions plus not all radical Muslims come from poor backgrounds. I’m not sure what turns the Muslim flame into an inferno but I’m not willing to summarize the reason as “Islam is evil.”

    If I answer that, you going to answer the questions I posed above?

    I’ve answered your questions, now you answer mine.

  202. Steven Hayward makes the point I’ve been making about conservatives for some time now …. that is until he sings the praises of Glenn Beck. 😦

    Well I participated in an online chat with Hayward today and I’m pleased to see he knows he’s on shaky ground in his defense of Beck (I was actually pretty pleased I got my question answered in the first place!):

    Middlebury, Conn.: But for a summary statement at the beginning of the chat, you haven’t defended Glenn Beck. Does his esoteric knowledge of conservative dogma really outweigh most of his utter foolishness?

    Steven F. Hayward: Jury is out on that. As I’ve said to friends the last two days, I know I’ve gone out on a limb offering a partial defense of him, hoping that he doesn’t saw it off behind me.

  203. “I can only say what I’ve seen debated in this blog. Mohammed was a complicated man whose approaches differed at different times in his life, sometimes moderate, sometimes intolerant.”

    Nice non answer

    “Good question. The answer to that question might help us find a solution. I would point to economic disadvantage causing desperation but there are poor of other religions plus not all radical Muslims come from poor backgrounds. I’m not sure what turns the Muslim flame into an inferno but I’m not willing to summarize the reason as “Islam is evil.””

    Another nice non answer. Doesnt explain at all the homegrown muslims in the West “radicalizing” at a rapid pace or the converts who embarce jihad afterwards. Also doesnt explain the islamic campaign of jihad when the islamic empire was wealthy. Ironically it slowed down when it couldnt milk out any more out of the dhimmis because so many converted to escape the miserable life and humiliation.

    “I’ve answered your questions, now you answer mine.”

    Not really. More like cowardly non answers. But since one can never expect a straight answer from a drone, Ill play along.

    Best way to combat islam is to start treating muslims the same way non muslims are treated in islamic lands particularly in lands like Saudi, Somalia, Pakistan and the Sudan.

    Im sure you would have no problem with that since muslims have no problems with how the non muslims are treated, right?

  204. You just want to see my answer.

    Actually I assumed I got most of your answer in January 2008.
    My question went something like this:
    I want to know what should be done to the billion Muslims,the terrorists, the mosques all of it. Should we gather up all the Qurans and burn them ? Should we shutter up all the mosques and deport all those claiming to be followers of Islam ?”
    Your answer was:
    ban Islamic immigration, Ban Islam in the West, burn the mosques down. Deport all Muslims who still claim Islam as their “religion”. Get off all foreign energy and cut off all ties to Islamic nations. Build a prison in Alaska to hold all convicted terrorists since death is too good for them. I forget anything?

  205. Obama’s “Safe Schools” Czar Criticizing US Schools for “Promoting Heterosexuality by Having Kids Read Romeo and Juliet”….

    Can Thuggy find one normal person?

  206. Rutherford: “Or are you saying that 40,000 more troops would magically make this scenario disappear?”

    I am curious as to what experience you have with counter-terrorism and/or counter-insurgency? If no experience, what training and/or education do you have in either of those fields?

    Men who have knowledge and experience in both say that they need 40,000 more troops to deal with the problem. (Keep in mind that most of those will be non-combat support troops)

    But you know better than they do? I am curious as to how?

    And debating with Elric is futile, because he doesn’t know how to debate.

    Debate to Elric is to offer a very short answer, followed by a question. Elric addresses issues with questions. Because answers are too difficult. He might have to think for himself rather than find a link to answer for him.

    And when you answer, he claims it is a non-answer, and then refuses to play anymore because the other person is dodging.

    You can see this right from the beginning. He was given 2 issues to select as a debate topic. And he couldn’t even answer which one he wanted without posing it in the form of a question.

    Elric wants other people to provide answers so that he can pick the answer apart. That is also why he refuses to give answers. Because then other people can pick his apart. He’s afraid to step up to the plate, so he insists on being the pitcher. That keeps him on the constant offense, and his “debate” opponent on constant defense.

    That isn’t debate, Elric. That is arguement. And just so you are aware…they are 2 different things.

    If you really want to debate Rutherford, as you have claimed, then quit being a fucking candy-ass and debate him.

  207. “And debating with Elric is futile, because he doesn’t know how to debate.”

    Like when you kept moving the goal posts on the Palis supporting jihad in overwhelming numbers? Try looking in the mirror first jackass. 🙂

  208. Love jihad: Jihadi Romeos luring girls online and then forcing them to convert to Islam

    It’s only a Tiny Minority of Extremists doing this — only four thousand cases. “Love Jihad: luring girls online and forcing them to convert to Islam,” from AsiaNews, October 6 (thanks to C. Cantoni):

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/love-jihad-jihadi-romeos-luring-girls-online-and-then-forcing-them-to-convert-to-islam.html

    Hmmm they must all be poor otherwise they wouldnt do this, right Dodger?

  209. Did Muslim students at UCI raise money for Hamas?
    October 6, 2009 by creeping

    Muslims at UCI have a long history of anti-Israel, pro-Hamas, pro-jihad activities, and this is not the first time Viva Palestina has been suspected of raising money for Hamas – see our posts here and here. No word on whether DOJ is acting on previous requests to investigate Viva Palestina.

    NEW YORK (JTA) — A Jewish group called on federal authorities to probe University of California, Irvine students for allegedly raising funds for Hamas.

    http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2009/10/06/did-muslim-students-at-uci-raise-money-for-hamas/

    You donate DOIAD? Or perhaps a relative of yours did?

    BTW Nassur the bear sends his regards 🙂

  210. Can Thuggy find one normal person?

    Would have been nice if this video identified the speaker and wasn’t a detached sound bite.

    His basic premise (if one can infer a premise from a sound bite) is that if schools had a huge impact on the sexual orientation of students, there would be a lot fewer gay people, since schools include little if any homosexuality in the curriculum (i.e. in literature for example) and promote activities (like the prom) which default to a heterosexual model. Hence with the overwhelming heterosexuality of a normal school experience, why do we still get a 10% gay population?

    It’s just his way of arguing against fear mongering and I am guessing (again based on a sound bite) that this concerns fear of gay teachers in public schools. I could be wrong on that.

  211. Pew: Majority backs force to disarm Iran of nukes
    posted at 12:55 pm on October 6, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    While Barack Obama busies himself with outstretched hands to Iran and canceling data collection on their human-rights abuses, the country he leads has a far different idea of how to deal with the mullahcracy’s drive to get nuclear weapons. A new poll by Pew Research shows that a large majority of Americans approves of using force to end the Iranian nuclear program if Iran won’t end it themselves. That includes a majority of Republicans, independents — and Democrats:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/06/pew-majority-backs-force-to-disarm-iran-of-nukes/

    A shame Thuggy is a beta dog.

  212. “Like when you kept moving the goal posts on the Palis supporting jihad in overwhelming numbers? Try looking in the mirror first jackass.”

    Oh look. Another question from Elric. Thanks for helping to make my point.

    Now put your money where your mouth is. Put up a link to where I have done that. You can follow that link with the one where there was actually a challenge to debate that issue.

    And while you are at it, don’t forget the link I asked about in comment #223.

  213. Abbas lighting fuse for third intifada
    Leo Rennert

    The “moderate” Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas has started to take a page from the playbook of his old partner, Yasir Arafat, and is moving away from diplomacy to violence to achieve his objectives. He is lighting the fuse for a third intifada.

    It all began on Sept. 27 — the eve of Yom Kippur when Arab rioters threw stones at French tourists on Temple Mount. Jewish worshipers at the Western Wall also became targets.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/10/abbas_lighting_fuse_for_third.html

    Bet DOIAD is excited as much as Nassur is. 🙂

  214. Blood libel and Qur’an quotations in Maldives’ debate over normalizing relations with Israel

    Apologists tell us time and again that they are not against Jews, per se, just Zionists. And yet so much invective against the modern State of Israel not only finds inspiration in, but directly quotes the Qur’an’s own antisemitic rhetoric. “MPs clash over diplomatic ties with Israel,” by Ahmed Naish for Minivan News, October 5 (thanks to M):

    Opposition MPs today severely criticised the government’s decision to normalise relations with Israel and establish diplomatic ties.

    At a heated sitting of parliament, MPs debated a motion without notice proposed by Dhivehi Rayyithunge Party (DRP) MP Dr Afrashim Ali, a religious scholar.

    “Because the Islamic character of Maldives will be clouded as a result of this and have an adverse effect on the close relationship with the Islamic Ummah (community), I submit this as a motion without notice under Majlis standing orders 70(a) to immediately invalidate this agreement [with Israel],” he said.

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/blood-libel-and-quran-quotations-in-maldives-debate-over-normalizing-relations-with-israel.html

    Bonus fun. All religions in Maldives are illegal except………you got it…islam.

  215. ban Islamic immigration, Ban Islam in the West, burn the mosques down. Deport all Muslims who still claim Islam as their “religion”. Get off all foreign energy and cut off all ties to Islamic nations. Build a prison in Alaska to hold all convicted terrorists since death is too good for them. I forget anything?

    Holy anti-Muslim Batman!!

    Shee-ut, Alfie, that’s a legit quote from Elric circa 2008? Daaaaamn! Now my only question is, why was he afraid to be that outspoken here? Scared if he went that far out on a limb, he’d leave behind half-way sane new found buddies like Tex?

    Tell us Elric, do you stand behind those words or have you moderated your position?

  216. Why Dodger, how is that any different than how non muslims are treated in islamic nations? Well except for the deporting convicted terrorists to a remote area of Alaska.

    Kinda ironic you vehemently oppose anything “anti-muslim” but have no problem with the anti-kafir treatment of non muslims in islamic lands. Which by the way is sanction by islamic law and the qur’an.

    Either oppose both or oppose neither. Stop being a hypocrite.

  217. Egypt: Cops arrest Christian father for trying to rescue kidnapped daughter

    Justice. “Egyptian Police Arrest Christian Father for Attempting to Free Kidnapped Daughter,” by Mary Abdelmassih for AINA, October 5 (thanks to DFS):

    Alexandria, Egypt (AINA) — At dawn on Saturday, October 3, 2009, Egyptian State Security forces arrested a group of Christian Copts in different parts of the city in Alexandria, after severely assaulting them in front of their neighbors. Their wives were also arrested, but because of intense objection protests by neighbors at the way they were handled and of the screams of their terrified children, they were released. The men who were arrested are relatives of Rafaat Girges Habib, a man who helped a Coptic father free his kidnapped daughter from her Muslim husband’s home. The arrests continued until Habib turned himself in to the police.

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/egypt-copts-arrest-christian-father-for-trying-to-rescue-kidnapped-daughter.html

    Must be because the police are poor, right Dodger?

  218. Egyptian lawmakers want to ban fake hymen
    AP

    By JOSEPH FREEMAN, Associated Press Writer Joseph Freeman, Associated Press Writer – Mon Oct 5, 12:05 pm ET

    CAIRO – Conservative Egyptian lawmakers have called for a ban on imports of a Chinese-made kit meant to help women fake their virginity and one scholar has even called for the “exile” of anyone who imports or uses it.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091005/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt_artificial_hymen_4

    Well we dont want women honor killed, now do we?

  219. Catholic university student attacked by Muslim extremists in a public park in Dhaka
    by William Gomes

    Four members of Hizbut Tawhid, an Islamist movement, beat Anup Rodrigues, 25, from Dhaka. They accused him of insulting Muhammad. Now he is afraid for his life and that of his brothers, who are also university students.

    Dhaka (Asia News) – Members of an Islamist group, Hizbut Tawhid, attacked a Christian student in Dhaka, after they accused him of criticising Muhammad. Last Sunday Anup Rodrigues, a 25-year-old Catholic university student, had just left the Holy Rosary Church after evening Mass.

    http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=16485&size=A

    Just a little tidbit on what non muslims deal with everyday in various islamic lands.

  220. Men who have knowledge and experience in both say that they need 40,000 more troops to deal with the problem.

    Red Pill, I would fully agree with you if there was unanimity among the military brass, but General Jim Jones, NSA to Obama says that Afghanistan is too complex to believe that just throwing bodies there will mean success.

    In the interview Sunday, however, Jones said that the solution to problems in Afghanistan is “much more complex than just about ‘X’ more troops.”

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/27883.html#ixzz0TBYutlRq

    If this was a case of non-military man Obama ignoring military man McChrystal, I’d fully agree with you. But Obama is getting conflicting advice from military experts.

    By the way, as I’ve said before FWIW, I like McChrystal. The strategy he embraces of civilian protection and soldier integration into Afghan society, is one I find incredibly empathetic and right-minded. But I cannot fault Obama for weighing his options.

    I liken it to the following. Your TV sets on fire. You’ve got a bucket of water right next to you. You’ve got a C02 fire extinguisher down the hall. Do you throw the water at the TV with the likelihood of electrocuting yourself or do you let the fire burn a bit longer and get the fire extinguisher?

  221. “why do we still get a 10% gay population?”

    I read somewhere that the 10% stat always thrown around about gays is utter myth. The true population being much, much less then that.

    I grew up and currently know too many good people that are Muslim. I’m not making this shit up or being politically correct. I swear they are some of the nicest people I know.

    That being said, I believe Islam predisposes violent radicalism more then other religions. I think what drives Elric crazy is that simple statement can get you kicked off a college campus.

    We must not ever lower ourselves to Iran or the Taliban’s level. That means we let people join a religion that has inherently nasty overtones to it.

    Elric responds correctly to Rutherford when Rutherford tries to paint radical Islam as a “religion” problem and not a “Islam” problem.

    That being said, following Elric’s logic, it seems theologically, Elric would have at least some disdain for Judaism.

    This gay issue needs to be done with. Elric, do you smoke pole or not? Playing coy with us over it is getting as old as everyone else around here using it as some kind of weapon against you.

  222. Well, Elric it’s good to know exactly where you stand now. No longer any need for debate. You are obviously a fan of the eye-for-an-eye approach of the Old Testament vs the turn-the-other-cheek approach of the New Testament.

    I think it’s safe to summarize your approach as the best way to defeat your enemy is to act like them.

    Thanks for playing our little game, There are some lovely parting gifts for you on the way out. 🙂

  223. This gay issue needs to be done with. Elric, do you smoke pole or not? Playing coy with us over it is getting as old as everyone else around here using it as some kind of weapon against you.

    DR, I’m not sure whether you’re referring to the silly banter between me and Sensico earlier in the thread or to my comments on Elric’s posted video. Since that vid was about homosexuality, I didn’t consider it a poke at Elric.

    On the gay population issue, don’t you agree that the difficulty in getting an accurate estimate is the number of them that are still closeted? I think it’s a real tough stat to arrive at accurately. Plus, do you include guys who swing both ways?

    I probably said this before, but I bring up Elric’s preference for only two reasons. 1) As you have noted, DR, his politics are atypical of a gay person and 2) his continued coyness (including mentioning a “wife” in a recent thread) is provocative. Hell, if he just said “I’m gay … or bi … or I like horses” I’d say fine and leave it alone … well at least until he said something that I found really contrary to his life stats.

    You notice he ruffled when I asked if the Myspace declaration of Protestantism was a lie too? Hell, I know this is an anonymous environment but many of us have been honest about our basic stats. So why can’t Elric?

  224. I grew up and currently know too many good people that are Muslim. I’m not making this shit up or being politically correct. I swear they are some of the nicest people I know.

    Rabbit, I have a question that I think gets to the heart of some of this debate. Do you and your Muslim friends ever talk politics and if so, do they disdain the actions of their radical brethren? Do they express any condemnation or shame about it?

    I think what is missing from the public discourse, something that I think would alter Elric’s POV, is we don’t have prominent Muslims condemning the violence of radicals.

    Now I don’t really want to compare Muslims to blacks but to make my point, Elric (and Tex) can point to Bill Cosby, John McWhorter and some other black voices who call for many of the same things in the black community that they (Tex and Elric) would support. I don’t think Elric can find that analogous voice in the Muslim community and since I am not well enough read on the topic, nor well enough connected, I can’t point to anyone either.

    BTW … confession time …. DR if you have five Muslim friends, you have five more than I do. It’s not by choice, I just haven’t met any in my business life or social life.

  225. Rutherford – RE: You can so easily sit there and tell me the loss is completely justified and that no consideration of other options should be made?

    What other options have you suggested? Leaving? Drone War only?

    The winning of the hearts and minds through civil programs has always been a part of rebuilding a countries infrastructure in the face of an opposing enemy. It is nothing new here but it can only be done if we stay. If that is all you are suggesting, then you should expect those who are engaged in that activity to be killed in time. Then we are back to pre 9/11 time; i.e. Taliban government offering safe haven to Al Qaeda and giving America the finger.

    RE:I direct this same question to Ben also.

    P.S, to Ben … I’m not sure comparing Afghanistan to post WWII Germany and Japan is at all accurate.
    Why not? It’s simple. I’ll explain it for ya; It began the same way: With Japan and Germany we had Ideologies opposing our way of life. They threatened and occupied other countries. There was measured genocide. There were crimes against humanity. THEN the U.S. reluctantly got involved, kick ass, end the tyranny, end the genocide, rebuild the nations to be the economic powers they are today. Will you still be inclined to call that simple nation building? To state so is over simplifying the facts to an erroneous conclusion.

    RE:Also, you seem pleased that al qaeda was pushed into Pakistan but you seem to ignore that Pakistan is not doing nearly enough to wipe them out.

    Wrong. I am not pleased. I am very concerned for Pakistan’s safety because of the nuke storage facilities. It makes me wonder if you read my post but with all the noise surrounding this topic you are forgiven.

    From my vantage point, you sound like that if we leave Afghanistan and let Pakistan fall you would be OK with that because we have accomplished your desire of not engaging in nation building.

    RE:Do we send troops into our ally Pakistan now?

    Can’t. Pakistan is a sovereign country – an ally as you correctly point out – and has not asked for our help to the degree necessary to resolve the problem. Only from some arm twisting on our part have they agreed upon joint operations in some areas under their watchful eye. Their situation remains precarious and it is due to the politics of their country. They remind me of outlaw America circa 1840 but in this case it isn’t the Anglo Saxon burning and pillaging villages; it’s the Muslim tribes with their own laws who are allowed to run wild by Pakistan’s government. Their problem is sort of like asking America’s government to hunt down and kill tribes of renegade Mormons.

    No matter. At the end of this we still have one immutable fact; The activated radical Muslims believe that the Crusades never ended. Never. They are akin to a machine with one intent and one only; Kill non-Muslims, non-believers of Islam – including Israel… especially Israel and her supporters. It’s that simple.

    ——–

    For those who don’t understand the Qur’an, here are a few of the Suras which can be found in it. They do not teach messages of “turn the other cheek” or other messages of forgiveness, inclusion and love.
    Sura 3 – Al-E-Imran (MADINA) : Verse 140

    If a wound (and killing) has touched you, be sure a similar wound (and killing) has touched the others. And so are the days (good and not so good), We give to men by turns, that Allâh may test those who believe, and that He may take martyrs from among you. And Allâh likes not the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong¬doers).

    Lesson : teaches revenge

    Sura 3.85:

    And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.

    Lesson : No other religion other than Islam is to be tolerated

    Sura 5.51:

    O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

    Lesson : Do not befriend Jews, Christians. They are unjust. They are unworthy.

    Sura 8.12:

    When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

    Lesson : Kill disbelievers. Behead them. Dismember them.

    Sura 9.123:

    O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

    Lesson : Fight disbelievers. Kill them in the name of Allah.

  226. Heeeey now. I don’t use Elric’s gayness as a weapon because that would imply I have something against gays. Maybe I’m just comfortable since I was raised around gays and transsexuals since I was widdle girl….don’t ask, I lived a fab life growing up in Detroit and elsewhere. But I don’t hate elric because he’s gay.

    I’m moreso making fun of him being so secretive. Though this is the internet, I have no other reason to think DR, R or Tex are lying about their life. Obviously something is going on when he can’t tell us whether he made the myspace thing up or not.

    Not like he has to be shy about it, I mean there are openingly gay republicans. Log cabin republicans, etc,.

    btw, R implied last thread that Elric must be lying on his myspace page, but what idiot lies about being gay on myspace, actually keeps the page up and running, and then goes by that same screen-name everywhere else.

    btw, looks like Elric has history http://dont-read.blogspot.com/2007/08/elric66-is-white-supremacist-douchebag.html

    little rethuglican lol

    btw, Alfie appears in the google search engine, never read that post til today http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=Loc&q=elric66&start=10&sa=N

  227. “That being said, following Elric’s logic, it seems theologically, Elric would have at least some disdain for Judaism.”

    Why would I have disdain for Judaism? I never attended Thuggy’s church.

  228. “We must not ever lower ourselves to Iran or the Taliban’s level. That means we let people join a religion that has inherently nasty overtones to it.”

    Eurabia went that route. Didnt work too good for them.

  229. “Eurabia went that route. Didnt work too good for them.”

    Dude, I didn’t say we go the way of Europe. I’m simply saying that in America we have the right to practice any damn religion we want.

    I know, your going to point out Sharia law imposed in parts of Europe. I think that is disgusting as your point about eradicating people for their beliefs.

    WTF is wrong with you, man.

    This is free country.

  230. Why should a team that doesn’t want to play gay people have to play them. Again, it’s called freedom.

  231. My friend who’s muslim went to a store in Grand Rapids, MI and the owner told him to get out of his store because he’s Muslim. In the end people that hate are only hurting themselves.
    Anyways, who knew, maybe the Muslim team would have won. They lost an opportunity to win!

  232. “Why should a team that doesn’t want to play gay people have to play them. Again, it’s called freedom.”

    If they were Christians, they would have been charged with a hate crime there. Its that messed up.

    “I grew up and currently know too many good people that are Muslim. I’m not making this shit up or being politically correct. I swear they are some of the nicest people I know.”

    As for that. Im sure there are good tolerant muslims. But its not because they are muslim, its despite that they are muslims. Thats probably the most glaring difference between islam and Christianity. Jesus taught tolerance and kindness to all people, no matter who they are. Mo-bomb-ed taught behavior towards different people depending on who they were. Different rules towards muslims than non muslims. Only “religion” that does that.

    Something Dodger the coward doesnt ever want to address because he knows I am right.

  233. Islam, Europe and Philosophical ‘Continental Drift’

    Edward Cline

    Two Wall Street Journal book reviews, both called “Continental Drift” but spaced over two years apart, echo the pessimism about the future of Europe in the books they discuss: one with absolute pessimism, the other with qualified pessimism. The problem the books discuss is the looming conquest by immigration and non-assimilation by Muslims.

    A Daily Telegraph (London) article of August 8th, “Muslim Europe: the demographic time bomb transforming our continent,” substantiates the trends and the perils facing Europe.

    Britain and the rest of the European Union are ignoring a demographic time bomb: a recent rush into the EU by migrants, including millions of Muslims, will change the continent beyond recognition over the next two decades, and almost no policy-makers are talking about it.

    http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.4438/pub_detail.asp

    Nothing to worry about, especially with all the nukes there.

  234. “I know, your going to point out Sharia law imposed in parts of Europe. I think that is disgusting as your point about eradicating people for their beliefs.”

    Who said anything about eradicating people? You taking debating pointers from Dodger?

  235. LOL in Elric’s defense (I can’t believe I’m saying this) he doesn’t want to eradicate Muslims, just deport them and then burn their mosques to the ground. 🙂

  236. Funny how Dodger doesnt mind all the intolerance and violence committed by muslims towards non muslims but dont dare treat muslims how non muslims are treated in the islamic world.

    Thats would be bad. Tolerate intolerance. Isnt that the muliticulturalists mantra Dodger?

  237. So you recommend sending troops to Sudan, Indonesia, Malaysia, etc. too? Should we start a draft to chase down all these terrorists all over the world?” – R

    You think we don’t have folks there? We cooperate with Indonesia and Malaysia, we have forces in the Phillipines, we have troops in the Horn of Africa, this isn’t new. Secondly, this is why you don’t cut the balls off of the CIA- they deal with this too, except that now, you’re hard pressed to find an operator willing to do this stuff now because they have no faith that the administration will have their back. Fact, I know these people, I talk to them- Obama has higher approval numbers in Israel than he does with the CIA…

    Not true of rapists, serial killers, firebug arsonists (as opposed to insurance scam arsonists), etc. The terrorists we are fighting think Allah told them to commit their crimes. The psychos we go after in law enforcement every day have similar delusions.” – R

    Well maybe there is a lesson here, if you’re saying they’re the same, then let us stop wasting money on prisons- bullets only cost .55 cents each…

    Again, you’re missing the point- they aren’t committing crimes, they are at war. Do you understand the fundamental difference? This is an organized, trained, ideological structure intent on changing the political dynamics through force- sounds like war to me. To listen to you, we should have sent cops to Berlin instead of tanks…

    That’s not a response. Provide me with any recent account that characterizes the Malaki government as stable and functional.” – R

    Show me you can utter something other than a code pink rant. Demonstrate an understanding of the political dynamics of Iraq, to include it’s current ‘unstableness’.

    Willingness to sacrifice on our behalf does not substitute for smart foreign policy. You call me a typical naive liberal. Quite honestly, I find your attitude toward the tremendous loss of life in our miliatry simplistic verging on heartless. Sit in Obama’s chair for a minute and think about the number of letters you have to write to widows and surviving parents. You can so easily sit there and tell me the loss is completely justified and that no consideration of other options should be made? Simply a knee-jerk yes Sir General McChrystal, how many more bodies Sir! ” – R

    Oh fuck you you sanctimonious blow hard. I’ve stood at countless memorials saying final goodbyes. I lost a close friend there, who I had dinner with the night before he was hit with an IED- don’t you EVER fucking talk to me about sacrifice and suffering. Ever.

    Those letters are hard, but I’ll tell you what, they’re a hell of a lot harder for the commander on the ground who has actually met the man/woman than they are for some politician 10,000 miles away. I can tell you that every soldier, airman, sailor and marine I spoke to had no regrets in what they were doing. Don’t you find it somewhat odd that if these folks so hated what was occurring that they would be trying to go back? Go to Walter Reed and see just how many of those amputees actually want to go back to finish the mission. You’re in way over your head, you don’t appreciate who and what we are and you certainly don’t understand what we stand for.

    Now, it was your beloved Obama who said that Afghanistan was the primary mission. It was your Obama who blasted Bush for ignoring the ‘right’ war. It has also been your Obama who is now, just a few months later, reconsidering his own strategy and is ignoring his own commander on the ground. Explain this, Obama has time in Copenhagen to chew out McCrystal for asking for more forces, but cuts the ass chewing short so he can go watch a special screening of Fat ass Moore’s new docu-lie- how’s that for fucking priorities.

  238. @DR – RE:”I’m simply saying that in America we have the right to practice any damn religion we want. ”

    Yep -we do. But let me advance this thought. If the KKK were to advance its numbers to say 20 million, at what point along that time line would you begin to think something is wrong?

    Would you support a religion which advances cross-burning? No? How about one which allows for beheading? Making women wear burkas while in public.

    While we hold fast to values which says to us that one of the above is wrong, we somehow have this idea that because one is a “religion” all hands are off – it can’t be touched.

    Religion : noun
    a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

    the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices

    the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

    something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:

    Admittedly, this is a precarious path to walk. Nonetheless it is one to be walked.

    Let’s look back to history for some teachings: Nazi Germany circa 1939. There were those during that time who saw what was happening, understood it for what it was, but too few did anything against it and too many joined it. Whole bodies of governments gave it legitimacy … to a point… but look how many people died getting there.

  239. Ben,

    What they dont understand or do understand and dont want to admit to themselves is that islam, unlike real religions is that its more of a political ideology wrapped up and sold as a religion. Its also a threat to democracy and the constitution. As these marxists in congress and the white house has shown, the constitution is only as good as those willing to follow it. islam is incompatible with it.

    You are already seeing breeches here in the US. The most glaring is Thuggy signing on to the UN/OIC’s agenda of making criticism of islam a crime. Eurabia is already there. Once you cant even speak out against it, the battle is over.

  240. Obama: Health Care Plan Would Give Seniors Right To Choose How They Are Killed

    October 6, 2009 | Issue 45•41

    WASHINGTON—President Barack Obama held a nationally televised address Tuesday to “clarify any misunderstandings” about his health care proposal, assuring Americans that under the new bill senior citizens—and not the federal government—will have the right to choose how they are executed.
    Enlarge Image Obama

    The president vows to systematically eliminate all American seniors in a manner of their choosing by 2011.

    “Let me dispel these ridiculous rumors once and for all and set the record straight: Under my plan, seniors are going to be killed the way they want to be killed, end of story,” said the president, who acknowledged that “wiping out” the nation’s elderly population has always been his No. 1 priority. “If your grandmother would rather be euthanized in the privacy of her own home than be gutted and hanged on a high school soccer field, she is entitled to that right.”

    “Once again, let me be perfectly clear,” Obama continued. “Seniors, rest easy knowing that I will never, under any circumstance, sign a bill that doesn’t give you the option of being murdered by my administration in a manner of your choosing. I promise you that.”

    During his 45-minute address, the president repeatedly stressed his deep and abiding respect for the nation’s 65-and-over citizens, saying that murdering them in ways they wouldn’t want to be murdered would be both un-American and “flat-out wrong.”

    Obama also accused his opponents of using scare tactics to score political points, manipulating seniors’ fears with misinformation about their upcoming state-mandated deaths.

    The president said he sympathized with and related to the fears of older Americans, adding that if a politician told him he could only be killed by being forcibly removed from his home and shot in the street like a dog, but left out the fact that he could also be put down by painless lethal injection, he would be scared, too.

    http://www.theonion.com/content/news/obama_health_care_plan_would_give?utm_source=onion_rss_daily

    First honest speech in his career

  241. Axelrod met with Roger Ailes to whine about Fox News’s non-worship of Obama
    posted at 8:13 pm on October 6, 2009 by Allahpundit
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    He’s got one cable news network fact-checking comedy skits about him and another running hour-long infomercials for his health-care plan.

    And he still can’t stop complaining.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/06/axelrod-met-with-roger-ailes-to-whine-about-fox-newss-non-worship-of-obama/

    Never good enough for the marxist

  242. As the token Diest on this forum, I’ll argue that all organized religions are crap. The only thing to have killed more people than ‘in the name of God’ is ‘comrade’.

  243. RE:What they dont understand or do understand and dont want to admit to

    The same misunderstanding occurred in Germany, circa 1939 when many heads were stuck in the sand and the movement was allowed to advance itself over the bodies of the dead.

  244. “As the token Diest on this forum, I’ll argue that all organized religions are crap. The only thing to have killed more people than ‘in the name of God’ is ‘comrade’.”-gorilla

    Wasn’t it you “deists” who unleashed the Terror during the French Revolution?

    It was deists who came up with the guillotine and deists who decided to use the thing on the hour every hour in Paris.

    It was also deists who hacked to death 30,000 peasants and priests.

    I’m not sure what my point is other then pointing out that deists can be radical nutcases in the name of deism.

    Robespierre ring a bell?

  245. Gorilla,

    Though I usually enjoy your posts, your last post was factually incorrect. But even if you were right, understand people referring to themselves “without God”, or some nebulous God such as yourself are in the small minority.

    The indisputable fact is that all the religions of the world put together have in 2,000 years not managed to kill as many people as have been killed in the name of atheism in the past 100 years.

    Stalinism, Maoism, and Nazism just to name a few. And if you were to argue Nazism was not based on atheism, let me remind you that Hitler’s on Mein Kampf was based upon the tenets of one Friedrich Nietzsche… 😉

  246. I know, which is why i said, “The only thing to have killed more people than ‘in the name of God’ is ‘comrade’.”

  247. I know, which is why i said, “The only thing to have killed more people than ‘in the name of God’ is ‘comrade’.”

    Yes, but that doesn’t account for “Das Fuhrer” either, nor the Emperor who was forced by the American army to renounce his divinity – that nebulous, unknown god of earth.

  248. Gorilla, you’re treating me like the enemy, as if I am trying to show you disrespect when in fact I’ve gone to great lengths in our recent conversations to do the opposite. As long as you hold over me the “you haven’t watched your buddies die” argument, there can be no discussion. If you want that to be your trump card, then you win.

    I don’t understand why you think that a civilian (me) wanting not to rush to judgment on a military strategy is the same as saying that our soldiers don’t want to be there or are not committed to the mission they were given. You’ve taken my statements and extrapolated them to far beyond their meaning. I am very well aware of wounded soldiers wanting to go back to fight beside their friends. I am well aware of the incredible bravery involved in what they do. Have I been in combat? Of course not, I’m a 4-F for one thing. Have I even had a relative or friend die in war? No I haven’t. I’m still capable of empathy.

    General Jim Jones has stated (as I remarked in an earlier comment) that the complexity of Afghanistan makes throwing X number of troops at the problem not necessarily the right solution. Don’t you think it is a fair question to ask how long we are willing to be bogged down there? Do you really think it totally unreasonable to keep Vietnam in the back of our minds every time we engage militarily long term in another country?

    I will readily accept your supposition that I am naive in matters military but I will not accept your suggestion that I question the valor and commitment of our troops. I want them there for the right reasons so their sacrifice is not in vain.

  249. Gorilla, as for your deist comment … LOL I find it funny how in one rant you can tear me limb from limb and then in a one sentence statement about being a deist, you can almost totally reflect my opinion.

    I cannot swear that some “God” did not put everything in play (perhaps create “the big bang”) but I tend to agree that any such God has absolutely nothing to do with our day to day lives.

    I could be wrong.

  250. RE:I cannot swear that some “God” did not put everything in play (perhaps create “the big bang”) but I tend to agree that any such God has absolutely nothing to do with our day to day lives.

    He could be a “free market guy”; creating the “Big Bang” and just “letting go” to let the thing do what it will.

    I could be wrong.

  251. I want to explore for a moment the exchange between Gorilla and Tex.

    I take away from it that the only thing worse than being religious is being an atheist. So in the morality pecking order if I understand the exchange properly is the following:

    Deist
    Christian/Buddhist/Hindu/Muslim
    Atheist

    where Deist (according to G) is at the top and Atheist (according to Tex and G) is at the bottom.

    This puzzles me, Both Deists and Atheists share the belief that God has no role in our day to day lives. Hence He does not inform our morality. Religious people believe in an “intervening” God who does inform our morality. So if Atheists are so destructive (as per Tex and G) then what makes Deists so great?

    I would argue that among Communists, you’d be hard pressed to separate the Deists from the Atheists.

  252. He could be a “free market guy”; creating the “Big Bang” and just “letting go” to let the thing do what it will.

    LOL … I like that notion. Put the thing in place and then don’t let regulation get in the way. 😉

  253. Ben, of course you don’t want lives lost in vain …. and I know that Gorilla is rightfully passionate about this.

    My problem is when people confuse resistance to war as identical to antipathy toward soldiers. I don’t think the two necessarily go hand in hand.

  254. Rutherford – my view is that once we commit to a conflict – to war – we commit to win. My problem is that we lose it when politics overrule.

    Commit to win at all costs. Otherwise, the reasons to engage are no reasons at all.

  255. Rutherford,

    I would argue that among Communists, you’d be hard pressed to separate the Deists from the Atheists.

    I agree with this statement, but like the broken clock you’re correct for the wrong reasons Rutherford.

    In Christ’s rule, there is but two choices with no hierarchy:

    (1) Saved
    (2) Unsaved

    Being “good” may be a characteristic in what Christ wanted to be reflected in us, but simply being good is not good enough.

    Isaiah 64:6

    And all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags…

  256. btw, Alfie appears in the google search engine, never read that post til today

    Sensico, I pulled up the search you hyperlinked but I don’t see Alfie’s contribution. Could you post the specific link you were referring to?

  257. gosh R, just go to the bottom of the page, you’ll noticed I linked to the 2nd page and not the first where Alfie’s post appears. So just click on the link and go to the first page lol

    can’t believe you put me through the agonizing pain of explaining that.

  258. Michele Bachmann: ‘I’m Certainly Not Going to Fear the Likes of Keith Olbermann’

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/10/michelle-really-kicks-ass-bachmann-im-certainly-not-going-to-fear-the-likes-of-keith-olbermann.html

    I put this up here because Dodger cant form an opinion on Mo-bomb-ed but can on Bachmann. A shame since Bachmann never killed anyone, owned slaves, or is a pedophile. Speaking of pedophiles, why is it that Dodger can write 2 posts in a row on the pedophile Polanski and condemn him rightfully but cant form an opinion on Mo-bomb-ed who was also a pedophile. Can you explain that Dodger?

  259. Jihad terror cell found in Hamburg, where 9/11 was plotted

    “The danger is absolutely real.”

    “Terrorist cell found in Hamburg where 9/11 attacks conceived,” from the Telegraph, October 7 (thanks to James):

    An Islamic terrorist cell has been discovered in Hamburg, the city where the 9/11 attacks were planned eight years ago.
    German intelligence services learned that a new militant group with ten members, headed by a German of Syrian origins, had sprung up in the port city….

    The ten members are understood to have left Hamburg early this year to attend paramilitary camps in the Hindu Kush, however, two are thought to have recently returned.

    All of them were said to have used Hamburg’s Taiba Mosque as a meeting place, the same location frequented by the 9/11 leader Mohammed Atta and his accomplices. They went onto carry out the attacks on New York’s World Trade Centre and Washington.

    “It is to be assumed that these persons are absolutely prepared to carry out suicide or other attacks at home or abroad,” the report said, according to Die Welt and Report Mainz.

    “The members of the group have a basic commitment to jihad and belong to Hamburg’s potentially violent pro-jihad scene.”…
    Anti-terrorist police set up a security cordon around the Oktoberfest in Munich, the world’s largest beer festival, and fighter jets were put on standby.

    “The danger is absolutely real,” said Joachim Hermann, the Bavarian Interior Minister. “We know that increasing numbers are attending these training camps.”

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/jihad-terror-cell-found-in-hamburg-where-911-was-plotted.html

    But they are just exercising their freedom, whats wrong with that?

  260. UK Sharia Courts:Sharia is the law of the Land, Wage war

    When the Sharia Courts in the UK were first announced, anyone who can see past the day that they are in knew that this would lead to nothing but more demands and trouble. In a followup to the “85 Sharia Courts in UK, Says Report” story we learn what the UK Sharia Courts are calling for.

    Muslims in Britain Have Religious Duty to “Fight the British and Americans” says New Sharia Court ExposéMuslims living in Britain are under orders from Sharia courts to regard “fighting with Britons and Americans as a religious duty” a shocking new report on Sharia courts in Britain has claimed.

    Issued by independent think tank Civitas, the new report, called “Sharia Law or ‘One Law for All’?” and authored by Islamic specialist Denis MacEoin, also says that there are now around 85 Sharia courts in Britain.

    The open declaration of war – Jihad – against ordinary British and American people by Islamic law courts is a damning indictment of the treason committed by the Tory and Labour parties in allowing millions of Muslims to settle in Britain.

    In addition to the horrifying declaration of holy war against British and American people, the Sharia courts operating in Britain have also ordered that:

    – Sharia law must override the judgements of British courts;

    – Muslims living in this country are under orders to disobey Britain’s laws when it contradicts Islamic values;

    – Muslims are forbidden to take out insurance, even if required by (UK) law.

    – There is no requirement to register a marriage according to the law of the country;

    – Polygamous marriage (that is, two to four wives) is legal; and

    – A Muslim lawyer has to act contrary to UK law where it contradicts Sharia.

    http://islaminaction08.blogspot.com/2009/06/uk-sharia-courtssharia-is-law-of-land.html

    Nothing to worry about right. Just exercising their “religious” freedom, right DR?

  261. So Tex, that is to say both Atheists and Deists are unsaved because neither has accepted Christ as their savior? Just want to make sure I get your point.

    “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one come to the Father but by Me.” ~ Jesus

    If I read that properly “R”, believe that is what Jesus would tell you. The fact that you profess to believe in some unknown god who made the universe, then left would be completely contrary to what Jesus taught in virtually every capacity.

  262. Gallup: Congressional approval drops sharply
    posted at 8:48 am on October 7, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

    In the spring, Congress enjoyed a spike in approval, hitting a six-year high of 39% as Democrats took control of the agenda and promised economic recovery. Just six months later, that spike has completely dissipated, according to Gallup. Approval has dropped 18 points to its lowest rating since January, and ten points in a month:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/07/gallup-congressional-approval-drops-sharply/

    Heh 🙂

  263. Elric, I was actually in bed sleeping when your latest comments came through. Unlike you, I don’t have a computer bot connected to a buzzer under my pillow to alert me of your comments. 🙂

    Mind if I go get some breakfast before commenting further … or is my eating breakfast, dodging?

  264. Eating breakfast isnt dodging. Be interesting if you do comment on #350. A real comment for once would be appreciated. Probably too much to asked for but do try.

  265. The Complete Infidel’s Guide to the Koran – by Jamie Glazov

    Frontpage Interview’s guest today is Robert Spencer, the director of Jihad Watch, a program of the David Horowitz Freedom Center. He is the author of nine books on Islam and Jihad, a weekly columnist for Human Events and Frontpagemag.com, and has led numerous seminars for the U.S. military and intelligence communities. He is the author of the new book, The Complete Infidel’s Guide to the Koran.

    FP: Robert Spencer, welcome to Frontpage Interview.

    Spencer: Thanks, Jamie. It is always an honor to chat with a perceptive and honest thinker like you.

    FP: Well thank you.

    So how is this new book different from your previous ones?

    Spencer: While in my other books I’ve quoted from the Koran in explaining various aspects of the jihad doctrine and Islamic supremacism, this book is unique among my books in being an in-depth examination of the Koran itself. In this book, and in none of my other books, I discuss how the Koran was compiled; alternate versions of the Koran; alleged miracles of the Koran; how the Koran adapts and alters Biblical stories such as those of Adam, Noah, Moses, Solomon, Mary and Jesus; the Koranic appropriation of Jewish, Christian and even pagan figures; the foundations of Islamic mysticism in the Koran; the ways in which seemingly innocuous passages of the Koran actually convey meanings quite different from what may appear to non-Muslim Westerners; how the Koran’s stories of the Biblical prophets are all told in a way meant to support Muhammad’s prophetic claim; why Muslims regard the Jews as their worst enemies; how and why the New Testament accounts of Christ are altered in the Koran; the Koran’s moral code and what it is conspicuously lacking; and much more.

    http://frontpagemag.com/?p=25251

    A book I would recommend to everyone here, even the one’s that do understand.

  266. Airline asks passengers to use the toilet before boarding… so they will weigh less and help cut carbon emissions

    By Mail Foreign Service
    Last updated at 5:56 PM on 06th October 2009

    All Nippon Airways says passengers who empty their bladders before boarding will help reduce carbon emissions

    All Nippon Airways says passengers who empty their bladders before boarding will help reduce carbon emissions

    A Japanese airline has started asking passengers to go to the toilet before boarding in a bid to reduce carbon emissions.

    All Nippon Airways (ANA) claims that empty bladders mean lighter passengers, a lighter aircraft and thus lower fuel use.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1218473/Airline-goes-green-asking-passengers-use-toilet-boarding.html

    Go green by going brown/yellow. Friggin nutjobs

  267. McCarthy: If You Don’t Get Islamic Ideology, You Don’t Get the Problem in Afghanistan

    In “If You Don’t Get Islamic Ideology, You Don’t Get the Problem in Afghanistan” at The Corner today, Andy McCarthy discusses several things we have pointed out here many times: the policy errors that result from an inadequate, politically correct understanding of Islam and jihad, and the fact that many Muslim condemnations of terrorism condemn attacks by Muslims against Muslims, but say nothing about attacks on non-Muslims:

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/mccarthy-if-you-dont-get-islamic-ideology-you-dont-get-the-problem-in-afghanistan.html

    Hmmm I mentioned that last part to DOIAD and Alfie. They had no rebuttal. Thought that muslims condemning muslim on muslim violence was enough.

  268. Speaking of pedophiles, why is it that Dodger can write 2 posts in a row on the pedophile Polanski and condemn him rightfully but cant form an opinion on Mo-bomb-ed who was also a pedophile. Can you explain that Dodger?

    Elric, I find this an incredibly odd comparison. How can anyone do an intellectually honest comparison of Mohammed to Roman Polanski? First of all, attitudes toward “childhood” have varied drastically throughout the ages, as have attitudes toward a number of things. Homosexuality was common in ancient Greece. Americans could get busted for it in the 1950’s. You’re asking for an invalid comparison. If Mohammed had sex with minors today, he’d be in big trouble … but his expectations of how his behavior would be viewed would be different today.

    Very odd comparison in my mind.

  269. “How can anyone do an intellectually honest comparison of Mohammed to Roman Polanski?”

    Well Mo-bomb-ed was even sicker than Polanski so you have a point.

    “First of all, attitudes toward “childhood” have varied drastically throughout the ages, as have attitudes toward a number of things.”

    LOL Moral relativism. Well Jesus lived 600 years before Mo-bomb-ed and he didnt feel the urge to oppress people, take slaves and have sex with little girls. You would think a prophet of “God” like Mo-bomb-ed would have higher standards than the time he lived in. Jesus did.

    “If Mohammed had sex with minors today, he’d be in big trouble … but his expectations of how his behavior would be viewed would be different today.”

    Not in the islamic world, he wouldnt.

    “Very odd comparison in my mind.”

    Only in the mind of a moral relativist it would be.

    Now here comes the dodge where you cant counter anything I said. 🙂

  270. Swedish speaking preacher: We Muslims number one billion. In every continent, there are Muslims. There are Muslims everywhere in the world. The most popular name in the world is Muhammad. One billion Muslims. The prophet Muhammad likened our nation to a body – if one part is injured, the others are affected. If you get a headache, your foot will ache too.

    Despite this, our blood is the cheapest in the world. Many of you have not heard about the catastrophes, about the crimes, the rapes, the robbery, the homes being destroyed, about children being killed in front of their mothers, about a father blowing himself up with his children, because he cannot bear the shame of his wife being raped in front of him. Such things occur in Palestine, in Kashmir, in Afghanistan, in Chechnya, and in Iraq.

    The catastrophes of Islam are numerous. Islam is the most humiliated [religion] in the world. Nobody listens to us, and nobody cares. There are one billion of us. How many Jews are there? Does anyone know? About 15 million. 15 million humiliate 1,000 million. This is a farce. If we were to line the Jews up in one row and spit on them, they would drown. But because we don’t do this, and we remain the way we are, they call us terrorists.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=513_1254933148

    This is what multiculturalism gives you. And notice the “Swede” doesnt consider himself a Swede but part of the ummah. My guess its a mosque in Malmo. Google it.

  271. Sharia creeps in Switzerland – govt bans anti-minaret posters
    October 7, 2009 by creeping

    “The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers…” — Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan

    After the Ottoman sultan Fatih Mehmet conquered the Byzantine capital of Constantinople in May 1453, one of his first acts was to order a wooden minaret added to the 900-year-old church of Hagia Sophia to signal its conversion into a mosque. The temporary wooden minaret was soon rebuilt in stone and three others added for good measure. As Mehmet and his successors built other mosques in their new capital, Istanbul’s skyline came to be punctuated by dozens of slender, arrow-like minarets that gave the Ottoman capital a distinctive aspect and signaled to all that it was no longer the capital of Christian Byzantium but the new capital of an Islamic empire.

    http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2009/10/07/sharia-creeps-in-switzerland-govt-bans-anti-minaret-posters/

    We must tolerate intolerance no matter the price.

  272. Spencer: “the Koranic appropriation of Jewish, Christian and even pagan figures”

    This is funny in light of the fact that religious scholars/skeptics note that the Christian bible “appropriates” stories from ancient religions, such as the virgin birth.

  273. “This is funny in light of the fact that religious scholars/skeptics note that the Christian bible “appropriates” stories from ancient religions, such as the virgin birth.”

    Still dodging my rebuttal? Nice of you to go to bat for islam like a good liberal dhimmi. I would have thought the video of the “Swedish” imam would have perked your interest but that would mean being critical of a muslim. But then you couldnt even denounce Mo-bomb-ed’s pedophilia so no shock.

  274. Islamic Groups Shut Down Worship of Church in Indonesia

    Under pressure from Islamists, local officials order halt to services in home.
    JAKARTA, Indonesia, October 5 (CDN) — Several Islamic organizations have pressed officials in a sub-district near Indonesia’s capital city to forbid Jakarta Christian Baptist Church to worship in a house, resulting in an order to cease services.

    http://www.compassdirect.org/english/country/indonesia/10195/

    But islam is tolerant and peaceful, right guys?

  275. Christian Action Network Sues Maine Over “anti-Muslim” Censorship

    The Christian Action Network producers of the HomeGrown Jihad documentary, have stepped it up a notch and are suing the state of Maine. Suing because Maine is trying to limit CAN’s freedom of speech in an effort to protect Islam. Go CAN!

    State of Maine Sued for Censoring Fundraising Letter Officials Claim is ‘Anti-Muslim’

    BANGOR, ME, Sept. 30 /Christian Newswire/ — Today the Christian Action Network (CAN) filed a federal lawsuit against the state of Maine for censoring a fundraising letter state officials claimed contained “an inflammatory anti-Muslim message.” Maine officials fined and banned CAN from mailing any future letters under the threat of criminal prosecution. Liberty Counsel represents CAN.

    http://islaminaction08.blogspot.com/2009/10/christian-action-network-sues-maine.html

    Yes we CAN!!!!

  276. “Nothing to worry about right. Just exercising their “religious” freedom, right DR?”-Elric

    I know, I get it. Your point that Islam is the only religion that is, by it’s very nature, also a political system is well taken.

    I have a question for you. If you went through all of time and picked societies in which a majority of the population are/were Muslims, what percentage of those societies lived under Sharia law?

    Yes, there obviously were and are people who live under this system.

    But I am willing to bet that the majority of Muslims that have ever lived on earth elected NOT to live under Sharia.

    I argue that this obsession of political Islam is a new one and not necessarily one that most Muslims in America want.

    I lived in the largest Arab population outside the middle east itself for 4 years.

    Most Muslims are conservative free market types peddling Irish whiskey and tobacco.

    Now, that being said, if you think I’m some naive PC motherfucker, blind to the dangers of Islam, you’re crazy.

    I know for a fact Hezbollah has infiltrated this country.

    I also ran into plenty of the Wahhabi types going to school at the University of Michigan Dearborn.

    I see Islam having fundamental flaws making it more prone to radicalism.

    Hell, I’m even for stopping Muslim immigration.

    All of that being said, your Nazi bull shit of exterminating or denying these people their freedoms becuase their ideas are dangerous doesn’t cut it with me one bit.

    You are not an American if you think that is the way we should conduct ourselves and I appeal to every conservative here to tell you this.

  277. “I have a question for you. If you went through all of time and picked societies in which a majority of the population are/were Muslims, what percentage of those societies lived under Sharia law?”

    Pretty much all of them have had some form of Sharia law. The only time it was minimized was when the islamic empire was weak and the industrial revolution strengthened the West and they pretty much put an end to persecution to non muslims. Now with oil dollars and the weakening of the West its coming back strong.

    “But I am willing to bet that the majority of Muslims that have ever lived on earth elected NOT to live under Sharia.”

    Sharia law isnt about elections, its islamic doctrine.

    “Most Muslims are conservative free market types peddling Irish whiskey and tobacco.”

    Ever hear of taqiyya?

    “All of that being said, your Nazi bull shit of exterminating or denying these people their freedoms becuase their ideas are dangerous doesn’t cut it with me one bit.”

    Now Im a Nazi? LOL

    “You are not an American if you think that is the way we should conduct ourselves and I appeal to every conservative here to tell you this.”

    Eurabia thought it was “European” to embrace other cultures. They ended up embrace their death.

  278. I attend a university with heavy Muslim population and most of my acquaintances and friends who are Muslim are conservative and even criticize Obama. I don’t understand why some conservatives can’t see the commonality in philosophy they have with Muslims.

    “Hell, I’m even for stopping Muslim immigration.”

    shall I quote you and say,
    “You are not an American if you think that is the way we should conduct ourselves”

    You should already know what that statement contradicts American values and principals.

    I don’t know why most of you want to bash religions, ranking them from high to low or whatever. At the core religions are not the problem and I feel 100% confident in saying that most classic religions are good and teach the same basic principals.

    The problem is that people take thousand year old texts and interpret it to fit their worldview. Pastors interpret the bible everyday, the problem comes when they and others try to apply religious texts to current events. And that’s where you get situations like domestic terrorism on abortion clinics by Muslims and Christians, as well as situations like Pastors wishing for the POTUS’s death.

    oh, and this is a good opportunity for me to post this link,
    Conservative group aims to delete ‘liberal bias’ from Bible
    http://rawstory.com/2009/10/conservapedia-rewrite-bible/

  279. Why? What is unconstitutional about stopping immigration? Following your logic why not let everyone in the world move here.

  280. “At the core religions are not the problem and I feel 100% confident in saying that most classic religions are good and teach the same basic principals.”

    Really? islam teaches death to apostates. islam teaches that believers are to be treated different than non believers. islam teaches an unending war with non believers etc. islam is the only “religion’ with a full political code. Etc.

    So how is islam good and the same as the other major religions?

    “The problem is that people take thousand year old texts and interpret it to fit their worldview.”

    Did Mo-bomb-ed interrupt the quran to fit his world view when he took the sword for islam?

  281. Islam deserves a big bunch of bashing these days.

    But then again, your the same person who said that there wasn’t a big old party in Libya for the mass murderer .

    That was after you saw a BRASS BAND play for the guy in front of a screaming crowd in Tripoli!!!!!!!!!!!

    But then again, that was BEFORE Obama said it was bull shit, so you can hardly be blamed, right?

    Seriously, if someone can’t call out fucking brass band that is blaring victory music right in front of your own very eyes, how in the living hell can we take any of your commentary seriously on the Islamic world and terrorism.

    A brass band! lol.

  282. Tex,

    Crazy isnt it? Why is the bar set so much higher for Christians and Jews than for muslims by the left?

    An abortion bombing committed a decade ago equates 14,191 terror attacks by muslims since 9-11

  283. you can’t even compare one lone shooter to domestic terrorism history on abortion clincs.

    “Why? What is unconstitutional about stopping immigration? Following your logic why not let everyone in the world move here.”

    That was lame response. Preventing Muslims from entering the country because they’re Muslim is not the America I know. I’m just really surprised you would defend that statement.

  284. “Preventing Muslims from entering the country because they’re Muslim is not the America I know.”

    In a decade or two, Europe wont be the Europe you know.

  285. You are not an American if you think that is the way we should conduct ourselves and I appeal to every conservative here to tell you this.

    You can appeal until you are blue in the face DR. Your buddy Tex has truly moved to the dark side. He is so enamored with the notion that Elric pisses me off that he will not challenge Elric on a single thing, that is until Elric hits one of Tex’s soft spots. Then the expletives will fly. Until then Elric and Tex have become joined at the hip. I find it very disheartening because as much as I disagree with much of what Tex says, I always thought he was proud to be intellectually independent and at least slightly thoughtful in his consideration of issues.

  286. DR, there is only one reason I would differ with you on stopping immigration of Muslims. Doesn’t our Statue of Liberty say to bring us your poor masses yearning to be free?

    I think the notion that “everyone would want to come here” is a slight bit of American hubris. There are lots of folks in lots of countries who don’t think America is “all that” and are perfectly happy where they are. As for the others, those who mean us no harm come here for the American Dream. To lock them out goes against one of our core values as a people.

    Now if you are making an economic argument that we can’t afford lots of poor folks coming here anymore, that is a slightly different story. But to single out Muslims for exclusion, I agree with Sensico … un-American.

  287. Elric,

    Homosexual men are disproportionally pedophiles. I’m talking big time, too. Can’t say this truth on a college campus either.

    Homosexual men have made local parks, funded by the tax payer, unusable. Anonymous sodomy sometimes taking place in broad daylight.

    Some of the most costly libraries are the very last place one would want their son or daughter to pay a visit to, with homosexual perverts patrolling every floor, the bathrooms dens of filth.

    Making the matter worse, this behavior seems to be intrinsic to homosexual men. Men, more sexually aggressive in almost every society on Earth, simply have none of the built in restraints when it’s other men they are attracted to.

    Hence the “glory” holes in the NYC clubs and the disgusting rest stop activity.

    It was this unrestrained, anonymous sex that spread AIDS.

    Drive down Warren just west of Telegraph and see the empty baseball diamonds. Unusable becuase of the perverted activity going on there.

    I like parks and i like libraries. So when your anti-Muslim purge becomes a reality, let me know becuase I will take the diamond back too.

  288. But then you couldnt even denounce Mo-bomb-ed’s pedophilia so no shock.

    You’re the one who compared Mohammed to Roman Polanski. The fact that I considered the comparison absurd does not mean I condone anyone’s pedophilia. Still I maintain that 5th century Rutherford might have considered 13 year olds fair game. Times change stuff.

  289. It was this unrestrained, anonymous sex that spread AIDS.

    DR, in your “homo speech” that was the only comment I fully agree with. I maintain that the reason it spread quickly through the gay community was that the gay community of the 70’s and 80’s was politically about promiscuity. Promiscuity was part of the gay culture.

    I think that is MUCH less true today. Partly because of the scare that AIDS put into the gay community combined with a growing acceptance of gay couples as “normal”, I believe promiscuity in the gay community is approaching the level found in the straight community. I believe glory holes are a relic of the 70’s and 80’s. I’ve got no docs to back up my thesis, but then you’ve presented no docs to back up yours.

    This business of more gays being pedo’s than straight is definitely to my mind, a myth. I’d want you to show some study that proves that before you just toss that assertion out.

    However, given your thesis, I fully get your point that if the Muslims have to go, then given your assumptions (which I don’t agree with) the gays have to go next.

  290. By the way, just yesterday I read about a kiddie porn bust (I think in Florida) where as the cops busted in to seize the dude’s computer, they found him in bed with his daughter. Sorry DR … loads of hetero pedo’s out there.

  291. We have always had restrictions on immigration. You are eating a big meal of feel good nostalgia, dude

    Ever read about the Chinese Exclusion Act in 1882?

    Some of the restrictions were due to unfounded bigotry while some of the restrictions were due to real fears about the economic well being of our work force and vaild concerns about assimilation.

    Blocking people from immigrating here is as American as apple pie.

    When we were at war with the Germans do you think there was a steady flow of Germans to America?

    Why would it be any different when we are at war with a hidden and secretive segment of the population of certain nations?

    Logic only can dictate that maybe the next 60 years will not be the best time for, say, immigration from وزیرستان!

    (Waziristan)

    Get real man.

  292. Rutherford,

    Are you saying that homosexuals are not disproportionally pedophiles?

    Dude….trust me, my claim is verifiable as all hell.

    It’s known, man. Just isn’t talked about much and I don’t feel like googling such a topic.

    But trust me…it’s big time.

  293. I would have thought the video of the “Swedish” imam would have perked your interest…

    Since I am not entrenched in any religion I’m in a perfect position to view this objectively. The Swede is playing the victim. He views Muslims as persecuted.

    Jews have long discussed their persecution at the hands of many, most noticeably the Nazi’s. To turn a deaf ear to the concerns of the Jews can rightfully have you labeled an antisemite. To turn a deaf ear to the victim-based concerns of Muslims similarly makes you anti-Muslim.

    One thing history teaches us is that for the most part, each religious sect has taken turns at being a victim at some point. They’ve all got a right to be paranoid.

  294. First DR, sheeeeut, you get the prize dude for being the first RL Blog commenter to comment in Arabic! Damn! Please tell me you copy/pasted that mofo from somewhere? Otherwise, you must have done a lot of research to figure out the hex codes to get those characters to appear! 🙂

    Your point about immigration is valid. Don’t you agree we have to be vigilant to make sure our immigration policy is economic/security based and NOT based on bigotry?

    As for gay pedo’s … sorry I just don’t buy it. It plays into the whole notion of the gay as ipso-facto deviant. It also plays into the myth of them wanting to recruit the young to their cause. These are all incredibly outdated notions. Seriously dude, you sound like you’re trapped in a 1970’s time warp.

  295. So how long does it take you to eat breakfast Dodger? Trying to emulate your idol Micheal Moore?

    LOL I am skinny as a stick … hardly a Michael Moore clone. I got engrossed in stuff related to my daily attempts to make money … since this blog doesn’t make me a dime.

  296. Airline asks passengers to use the toilet before boarding… so they will weigh less and help cut carbon emissions

    ROTFL

    Considering just how full of crap you are Elric, I think Nippon came up with this rule just for you! 😀

  297. Rutherford,

    One thing I always have enjoyed about you is that you are invariably wrong. Rabbit is exactly right about the gay population – good grief, as a man you ought to understand that it’s women who keep the world in control. Here’s the most clueless of many points you were wrong about:

    I think that is MUCH less true today. Partly because of the scare that AIDS put into the gay community combined with a growing acceptance of gay couples as “normal”, I believe promiscuity in the gay community is approaching the level found in the straight community. I believe glory holes are a relic of the 70’s and 80’s. I’ve got no docs to back up my thesis, but then you’ve presented no docs to back up yours.

    Want some proof about the fidelity of gay men?

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,322766,00.html

  298. Enjoy the “freedom of religion”

    Wow was the focus of your outrage way off here Elric. Khallid was full of black rage …. racial rage. His religion took a backseat to his racial rage.

    He was dead wrong but his focus was white-on-black oppression, not Jewish or Christian oppression of Muslims.

  299. Want some proof about the fidelity of gay men?

    This raises an interesting point. Since we know hetero’s have no monopoly on monogamy, why do we see less of a spread of these kind of diseases in the straight community?

    I’d like to see a study that isolated gender preference as the cause of the epidemics. (i.e. perhaps greater promiscuity among gays is NOT the cause, but rather less use of condoms and other “safe sex” methods?)

  300. “R”,

    I’d like to see a study that isolated gender preference as the cause of the epidemics. (i.e. perhaps greater promiscuity among gays is NOT the cause, but rather less use of condoms and other “safe sex” methods?)

    More likely, and since you don’t believe in God but mother nature, perhaps it’s “nature’s way” of saying it’s “abnormal”.

    It spreads Rutherford for the same reasons AIDS exploded in the gay community – multiple partners doing the nasty in the nasty. The most virulent form of transmission is the part of the body internal with little innate protection. Since you can’t determine if it is abnormal, let mother nature do it for you. 😉

  301. Well unless you consider the vagina, the nasty, how do you account for the spread of venereal disease among heterosexuals? You have made what I consider to be the fatal mistake in approaching this from a scientific POV … you are attaching a value judgment to the behavior, which I think gets in the way of proper analysis.

    Look at the bonobo before you decide what Mother Nature considers natural or not. 😉

  302. “Still I maintain that 5th century Rutherford might have considered 13 year olds fair game. Times change stuff.”

    Aisha was 9 when Mo-bomb-ed did her moron. Was so traumatic all her hair fell out. And it was the 7th century not the 5th. So would the Dodger of the 7th century have sex with a 9 year old girl?

  303. “Since I am not entrenched in any religion I’m in a perfect position to view this objectively. The Swede is playing the victim. He views Muslims as persecuted.”

    No, he was preaching about his paranoid hatred of Jews. Guess thats ok with you.

  304. Well unless you consider the vagina, the nasty, how do you account for the spread of venereal disease among heterosexuals?

    Promiscuity…take a mate for life of the opposite sex and you never have to worry about it.

    you are attaching a value judgment to the behavior, which I think gets in the way of proper analysis.

    😆 The dumbest of many dumb comments you’ve posted on this board. Are you sure that you don’t want to rephrase or rethink this statement? Of course I’m attaching a value judgment to behavior – you do that every day on this board. Or are you just a cardboard man?

    Many animals also kill and eat their young “R”. Should we use that as a point of reference to in casting “our value judgment” in emulating behavior.

    Man, you’re unbelievable.

  305. “To turn a deaf ear to the victim-based concerns of Muslims similarly makes you anti-Muslim. ”

    Really? Give examples of legit victim based concerns of muslims.

  306. Obama’s Regulatory Czar: “Americans Are Too Racist for Socialism”…

    The U.S. should move in the direction of socialism but the country’s “white majority” opposes welfare since such programs largely would benefit minorities, especially blacks and Hispanics, argued President Obama’s newly confirmed regulatory czar, Cass Sunstein.

    “The absence of a European-style social welfare state is certainly connected with the widespread perception among the white majority that the relevant programs would disproportionately benefit African Americans (and more recently Hispanics),” wrote Sunstein.

    The Obama czar’s controversial comments were made in his 2004 book “The Second Bill of Rights,” which was obtained and reviewed by WND.

    In the book, Sunstein openly argues for bringing socialism to the U.S. and even lends support to communism.

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/10/obamas-regulatory-czar-americans-are-too-racist-for-socialism.html

    All these friggin czars need to go.

  307. My only comment on comment 366 Elric, and this will really get your undies in a knot: You have no idea what Jesus really did or didn’t do. When it comes to Christianity, I suspect you to be almost as ignorant as I, so I will ask Tex.

    Tex, please quote us some scripture where Jesus suggests the proper age of consent for sexual relations.

  308. Aisha was 9 when Mo-bomb-ed did her moron. Was so traumatic all her hair fell out. And it was the 7th century not the 5th. So would the Dodger of the 7th century have sex with a 9 year old girl?

    Now this is interesting. Are you saying that the Koran or some other Muslim scripture says that Aisha’s hair fell out? That would be an odd result to document if Mohammed’s intercourse with the girl was being reported as normal, and not rape.

    Regarding the centuries, I’d submit, 5th century … 7th century … big deal and I already told you that 7th century Rutherford would leave the nine year olds for you. 🙂

  309. “You have no idea what Jesus really did or didn’t do.”

    I think you know enough that he didnt own slaves, executed people and have sex with nine year old girls. But be a wimp and avoid the question. Thats all you are good at.

  310. “Are you saying that the Koran or some other Muslim scripture says that Aisha’s hair fell out?”

    Yes but would it matter to you if it did? So why are you asking since we both know it doesnt matter to you and would sway your opinion?

    “That would be an odd result to document if Mohammed’s intercourse with the girl was being reported as normal, and not rape.”

    Only a drone would consider it “normal”

    “Regarding the centuries, I’d submit, 5th century … 7th century … big deal and I already told you that 7th century Rutherford would leave the nine year olds for you.”

    You are dodging. Would you have sex with a 9 year old girl in the 7th century? Yes or no? Since you are avoiding the question my guess is that you would. Any normal person would have answered no.

  311. No, he was preaching about his paranoid hatred of Jews.

    tell me how spiting on every Jew in the world til they drown relates to their “concerns”

    His choice of words was disgusting but I think he was shooting for the image of sheer numbers … in other words that Muslims greatly outnumber Jews yet their concerns are ignored (again his assessment, not mine). He didn’t say he wanted to spit on Jews till they drowned. He said that the population of Muslims so outnumbers Jews that if every Muslim spat on the entire population of Jews, they would drown.

    Nasty imagery to be sure … but you’ve mischaracterized it.

  312. Really? Give examples of legit victim based concerns of muslims.

    I’m not a Muslim nor am I connected to the Muslim community so I’m no authority on their victimization. I can say this, in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 Muslims were profiled by law enforcement. Some might say this is logical but I’m sure to them it seemed unfair.

  313. “I can say this, in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 Muslims were profiled by law enforcement. Some might say this is logical but I’m sure to them it seemed unfair.”

    Given the 14,000 jihadists attacks after 9-11, they can take their “victimhood” and shove it.

  314. Promiscuity…take a mate for life of the opposite sex and you never have to worry about it.

    Take a mate for life of the same sex and you don’t have to worry about it.

    Of course I’m attaching a value judgment to behavior – you do that every day on this board.

    The problem arises when the value judgment skews one’s analysis of a medical problem. I submit that the scientist who approaches medical issues within the gay community with an attitude that homosexuality is a normal phenom among a minority of human beings, will find different conclusions than those scientists who start from the vantage point that homosexuality is deviant.

    Many animals also kill and eat their young “R”.

    I was not saying we should emulate lower forms of animals. I was saying that what you consider “natural” is again skewed by your predisposition. For the homosexual, hetero intercourse is anything but natural.

  315. Regarding comment 418, Elric, I am asking you why a scripture would document a relationship with a minor, obviously thinking it not unusual, and then report that a consequence was the girl’s hair falling out. That seems to me an inconsistency in the text. It would be like the Bible reporting that Moses found the 10 commandments and then dropped the tablet down a mountainside and accidentally killed someone below. Again, if what you are reporting is true, and is documented in the Koran, than … yes I admit it … Islam is one f*cked up religion. 🙂

    As for the other question, I didn’t dodge at all. If I lived in a time where the concept of childhood was not as it is now, and it was socially acceptable, or perhaps even expected, to have intercourse with a nine year old then I wouldn’t rule it out, unless the Rutherford of the 7th century simply didn’t like any of the nine year olds in the neighborhood (ok … I am joking on that last bit). Again, you’re asking questions without taking into account the attitudes of the day. If we’re going to get down to real cases, if I had been born in the 7th century with my current set of physical challenges, I would not have lived to see age 5 … I might have been killed at birth.

    So I repeat … your comparison of Mohammed to Polanski is absurd.

  316. In fact Elric … I’ll make the example even clearer. I abhor the idea of slavery. I don’t think that all slave holders in 18th and 19th century America were terrible people. They were products of their culture, both economic and sociological. I can oppose the institution of slavery and admit that some decent people, limited by their experience, held slaves.

  317. “Again, you’re asking questions without taking into account the attitudes of the day.”

    But we are talking about a “prophet” of “God”. He isnt suppose to to reflect the attitude of the day.

    Case in point. When Jesus saw that a woman was about to be stoned to death, which was the attitude of the day, he stopped it.

    Mo-bomb-ed sanctioned it and this was 6 th centuries after the life of Jesus. Considering that Mo took bits and pieces from various religions, he didnt think to condemn stoning but actually encouraged it.

    “Again, if what you are reporting is true, and is documented in the Koran, than … yes I admit it … Islam is one f*cked up religion.”

    Yes its true. Mo molested that poor girl so much her hair fell out.

  318. “Yes, Elric I’m sure that all of your heterosexual encounters were for the purpose of advancing the species.”

    I guess you couldnt argue the point. Didnt think you could.

  319. Bangladesh: Christian convert from islam receives usual death threats

    by Kal El on October 1, 2009

    Compliments of the religion of peace. Yet again.

    Christian convert from Islam and family threatened with death

    Dhaka (AsiaNews) – William Gomes, a Catholic convert from Islam, is in mortal danger. For the past several days he has been the target of Muslim extremists who want to kill him because of his new faith. On 25 September he had to flee his home to escape from a group of Islamic militants who wanted to kill him and his family (wife and child), setting fire to their house. After Friday prayers at a mosque nearby, a group of fanatics had asked the leaders of their mosque to decide on the fate of the young man and the penalty to be inflicted on him.

    http://infidelsarecool.com/2009/10/01/bangladesh-christian-convert-from-islam-receives-usual-death-threats/

    Now why would they do that? Oh yeah, islam is the only religion that sanctions death for apostates. Does that make it a screwed up “religion” and different than all the rest Dodger?

  320. I guess you couldnt argue the point. Didnt think you could.

    Of course I argued the point. Since you don’t want kids, I have to assume you have never had intercourse since it is for procreation. Right?

  321. Elric, for the love of all that is holy, please take that stupid Myspace page down. It only ever gets you into trouble. Besides, it’s a well established fact that Facebook is becoming the home for adults. Myspace is for teenagers and musicians who can’t get a recording contract. 😉

  322. “Of course I argued the point. Since you don’t want kids, I have to assume you have never had intercourse since it is for procreation. Right?”

    No you didnt. You just pulled some Alinsky tactice because couldnt argue the point. Just like most arguements, you dodge, deflect, avoid or attack the messenger.

  323. Thuggy cares more about Union thugs than our troops.

    I can’t believe I am analyzing something from WZ but since The London Times (I think) is the main source …. here goes.

    Once again, Elric you have link-dropped like pigeon droppings without actually reading your own source material. The minimal-civilian-casualty strategy that is frustrating the soldiers is the one endorsed by their General, McChrystal. The question at hand now is whether Obama will stay with this COIN (thnx to Gorilla for the acronym) strategy and send in more troops or switch strategies.

    You know what I see in that article? A desperate plea from the soldiers to get the hell out of there because they don’t know what they’re dying for.

    I find it disheartening that Gorilla, who has so much to offer this discussion has apparently decided to disengage because I asked him to stop throwing purple hearts in my face and argue the issues. 😦

  324. NY Revolution Muslim: Burn and Kill Jews!

    Here is what the Islamocreeps of RevolutionMuslim had to say today. Keep in mind that Yousef al-Khattab is an ex-Jew. Ahhh…..the beauty of Islam.

    Allah(oh God) Kill The Jews That Occupy Palestine & Their Supporters

    A Prayer to My God

    Ya Allah(Oh God) I beseech You to carry out your wrath on the Jewish occupiers of Palestine & their supporters.

    Ya Allah(Oh God) please throw liquid drain cleaner in their faces.

    Ya Allah(Oh God) burn their flammable sukkos while they sleep.

    Ya Allah(Oh God),make rocks crash through their car windows as they drive in Your land Bayit al Maqdes

    Ya Allah(Oh God), make their fingers and brains stick on cafe walls from impact.

    Ya Allah(Oh God) answer my duaa (prayer)

    Sincerely,

    Yousef al-Khattab

    http://islaminaction08.blogspot.com/2009/10/ny-revolution-muslim-burn-and-kill-jews.html

    Gotta love the converts

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