Roman Polanski: A Case of Pure Justice

The question of what exactly justice is has been debated since the days of Socrates and Plato. This week we have a case that raises this debate anew. I consider the case of film director Roman Polanski an issue over what is justice in its purest sense.

Thirty two years ago, Roman Polanski drugged a 13 year old model who was posing for him, and engaged in various sex acts with her including intercourse while she was in a compromised state and could not resist his advances. The victim won a judgment in a civil suit and Polanski plead guilty to a lesser charge (i.e. statutory rape rather than a host of other charges of which he was originally charged). When Polanski got the impression that his sentence would be stiffer than expected he fled the country, settling in France from where he could not be extradited to the States. When he visited Switzerland this past Saturday he was arrested. (Why after several trips to Switzerland over the years, they suddenly decided to arrest him is a topic for another post.)

The notion of punishment in our criminal justice system usually has three motivating drivers:

1. Compensation to the victim: We punish the criminal to right the wrong committed against the victim.
2. Protection of society: We punish the criminal to influence him not to commit his crime again.
3. Deterrence to others: We punish the criminal to make an example of him to others so they will not commit similar crimes.

Let’s examine how these drivers apply to Polanski.

1. Compensation to the victim: the victim Samantha Geimer received a civil case settlement from Polanski. She now wants the criminal charges dropped because she has gone through the healing process and does not want the wounds re-opened.

2. Protection of society: Polanski has no documented repeat offenses over the past 32 years, nor any prior to the 1977 incident. He is now 76 years old and an unlikely threat to society.

3. Deterrence to others: Punishing Polanski now hardly amounts to deterring others. If anything the sad moral of the Polanski case is with enough money and connections you can escape punishment and live the rest of your life in luxury.

So what is left? What purpose does punishing Roman Polanski now serve? The answer to this question lies in the concept of justice unrelated to any wronged individual. When Polanski assaulted a minor he committed a crime against civil society. For society to function properly we all must abide by certain rules. When we break those rules we break a covenant with society as a whole. The case of Roman Polanski tests our definition of justice at its most philosophical and conceptual level.

Kate Harding has a blunt and compelling analysis of this in Salon.com:

But what of the now-45-year-old victim, who received a settlement from Polanski in a civil case, saying she’d like to see the charges dropped? Shouldn’t we be honoring her wishes above all else?

In a word, no. At least, not entirely. I happen to believe we should honor her desire not to be the subject of a media circus, which is why I haven’t named her here, even though she chose to make her identity public long ago. But as for dropping the charges, Fecke said it quite well: “I understand the victim’s feelings on this. And I sympathize, I do. But for good or ill, the justice system doesn’t work on behalf of victims; it works on behalf of justice.”

It works on behalf of the people, in fact — the people whose laws in every state make it clear that both child rape and fleeing prosecution are serious crimes. The point is not to keep 76-year-old Polanski off the streets or help his victim feel safe. The point is that drugging and raping a child, then leaving the country before you can be sentenced for it, is behavior our society should not — and at least in theory, does not — tolerate, no matter how famous, wealthy or well-connected you are, no matter how old you were when you finally got caught, no matter what your victim says about it now, no matter how mature she looked at 13, no matter how pushy her mother was, and no matter how many really swell movies you’ve made.

via Reminder: Roman Polanski raped a child – Broadsheet – Salon.com.

Justice is not specific to any particular victim. Society establishes a set of norms that specify how its members will conduct themselves. When those norms are violated, a price must be paid. It is time for Roman Polanski to pay that price.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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149 thoughts on “Roman Polanski: A Case of Pure Justice

  1. Ah Elric, I feel kinda bad for you because on this thread, you’ll have trouble getting an argument out of me.

    The women of “The View” are more times than not bubble-headed. That’s why I seldom watch it. Although it does give a great micro-cosmic view of the average voter. 😉

    Since Geimer said “no”, she was raped plain and simple. I did not even touch in this post the injustice that was done by allowing Polanski to cop to the lesser charge. Anyone who wants to debate that, feel free.

  2. “Ah Elric, I feel kinda bad for you because on this thread, you’ll have trouble getting an argument out of me.”

    I rarely do anyway since you are usually too cowardly to respond.

  3. “The women of “The View” are more times than not bubble-headed. That’s why I seldom watch it. Although it does give a great micro-cosmic view of the average voter.”

    You mean liberal voter.

  4. I bet this guys sides with Polanski. But then Mohammed raped a girl at 9 years old

    …and I guess Christians just stoned them to death if they found out they were not virgins.

    “If a man takes a wife and, after lying with her, dislikes her and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, “I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity, …and no proof of the girl’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. (Deuteronomy 22:28)”

    Doesn’t Genesis 34:1-7 also speak of the raping Jacob’s daughter by a Canaanite prince, or does this despicable act only happen in Islam?

    … but but this doesn’t happen in Christianity!!!

  5. “…and I guess Christians just stoned them to death if they found out they were not virgins. ”

    No, that would be your friend the muslims. You can quote the Old testament all you want but the New testament abrogates any of the violent and intolerant versus just like the violent Medina verses abrogate the more peaceful tolerant Mecca verses in the Quran.

    Nice try fool. Its islam that today sanctions stoning for crimes like adultery and apostasy. And if I remember correctly, Jesus wasnt a pedophile like Mo-bomb-ed and actually prevented a woman from being stoned unlike Mo-bomb-ed who sanctioned it.

    Again, try again jackass.

  6. So your an ala-carte Christian that likes to pick and choose what they believe? Are the ten commandments mostly optional in your world?

  7. First and foremost…..This post was a nice refreshing change and restored some glimmer of hope I can again have in Rutherford. Really good post and thanks for sharing a complete view.
    Curator the Old Testament, kind of not a christian thing strictly speaking.

  8. I rarely do anyway since you are usually too cowardly to respond.

    Well I do confess I probably ignore more of your comments than I respond to. It’s hard to keep up with the constant barrage of pigeon link droppings.

  9. You mean liberal voter.

    No, I meant average voter. I was being fair to include dumbass libs as well as dumbass conservatives.

    A whole lot of the folks in this country have no business being anywhere near a voting booth.

  10. “Well I do confess I probably ignore more of your comments than I respond to.”

    Usually the ones that you cant defend Thuggy’s fascism.

    “No, I meant average voter. I was being fair to include dumbass libs as well as dumbass conservatives.”

    Major proportion the “The View’s” audience is liberal.

    “A whole lot of the folks in this country have no business being anywhere near a voting booth.”

    If they did, Thuggy wouldnt be “president”

  11. BiW, to address your two recent questions:

    I don’t think saying that many folks are ala carte Christians is so controversial. You don’t know folks who pick and choose which Christian doctrine they will follow? Catholics in particular are in a bind in modern society being by the book … since they use contraception which if I’m not mistaken is frowned upon by the Vatican. Maybe you objected to my tone but I’m surprised you would object to the truth of the statement.

    As for who gets to vote, I would never want to be the one to decide that. Way too subjective. I’m much more comfortable with a society where everyone votes. But again, the truth of the matter, not everyone who votes is any where close to versed on what the candidates are really saying, to make an intelligent choice,

  12. “But again, the truth of the matter, not everyone who votes is any where close to versed on what the candidates are really saying, to make an intelligent choice”

    And they voted for Change! Yes we Can!!!

    That is bankrupt this country, steal from others through redistribution and trample the freedom and right sof those who disagree with the previous two. Ain’t this just grand…

    Nullify his plea, try him for rape, and send him to the deepest, darkest hole we have. Namely one where he’ll get to live by the golden rule- do unto others as they (and I mean they) do unto you…

  13. “But again, the truth of the matter, not everyone who votes is any where close to versed on what the candidates are really saying, to make an intelligent choice’

    Blame that on your MSM.

  14. Video: Socialist millionaire begs Obama to destroy his presidency by supporting single-payer
    posted at 5:30 pm on September 29, 2009 by Allahpundit
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    An almost poignant moment of naivete from a guy convinced that he represents some sort of fringe-left “silent majority,” reduced to begging The One to commit political suicide by embracing full-blown socialized medicine because they’ve “got his back” and it would be really “bold” or something. Never mind the polls showing that the public’s already gagging on a watered-down bill; never mind the warnings from analysts across the spectrum that the GOP’s set for major gains in Congress next year thanks to the backlash over government expansion; never mind the fact that, against that backdrop, Blue Dogs aren’t about to fall on a grenade for Obama by agreeing to a public option, let alone single-payer, no matter how much of his own political capital the president might be willing to invest. In fact, at this point, it might be more than just the Blue Dogs who are ready to bail.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/29/video-socialist-millionaire-begs-obama-to-destroy-his-presidency-by-supporting-single-payer/

    Please listen to the fat socialist Thuggy

  15. I don’t think saying that many folks are ala carte Christians is so controversial. You don’t know folks who pick and choose which Christian doctrine they will follow? Catholics in particular are in a bind in modern society being by the book … since they use contraception which if I’m not mistaken is frowned upon by the Vatican. Maybe you objected to my tone but I’m surprised you would object to the truth of the statement.

    I suppose the question comes down to how you define Christian doctrine. Most Christians I know would look to what Christ himself said to define what that means. That being the case, and being “free-range Protestant” rather than a Catholic, I am not prepared to or inclined to answer for what Catholics do vis a vis what the Papal authority has dictated. However, looking at that very narrow issue through the lens of my faith, I can say that I have tried, but I do not recall where Christ told his followers not to use contraceptives. Perhaps you could help me find it? Regardless, the task of defining Christian doctrine requires a bit more than simply reading it a time or two, and believing that it is all understood, if only because Christ’s words were sometimes parables and sometimes symbolic, but if they had no change at all on the law as presented in the Old Testament, then there would not be Christians today, only more jews.

    As for who gets to vote, I would never want to be the one to decide that. Way too subjective. I’m much more comfortable with a society where everyone votes. But again, the truth of the matter, not everyone who votes is any where close to versed on what the candidates are really saying, to make an intelligent choice,

    But once you let everyone vote, that is a consequence you must accept, no matter how harmful the end result becomes.

    So you didn’t really mean it when you said

  16. “But once you let everyone vote, that is a consequence you must accept, no matter how harmful the end result becomes.”

    And that is the price we are paying now.

  17. “3. Deterrence to others: Punishing Polanski now hardly amounts to deterring others” Rutherford

    I actually read that post waiting for Rutherford to argue for the charges to be dropped. That’s how bad things have gotten around here as of late. But, as Alphie said, what a refreshing change of pace.

    Where I do disagree with you is your claim that the incarceration of Roman will not serve as a deterrent.

    The minute he is out of protective custody, Roman will be feeling what its like to wear the shoe on the other foot.

    I don’t give a damn if I get to live the life of some popular, eccentric artist in France for 30 years before I get boofed up the ass, getting boofed up that ass would pretty much wreck my life in it’s entirety.

    The only thing I feel sorry for Roman for is what Charlie put him through.

  18. Pretty good article Rutherford – the Rutherford I actually like to read. Like D.R., I kept waiting for the shoe to drop but you surprised me.

    On this note, I agree with you almost completely – though I would say that justice is for both society and the victim.

    Roman Polanski made a mockery of justice because he could afford to. He ran like the coward. As far as I’m concerned, this makes the crime doubly egregious.

  19. Name ‘em and shame ‘em: More than 100 filmmakers sign petition defending child rapist
    posted at 8:16 pm on September 29, 2009 by Allahpundit

    Most are European and unfamiliar, but among the people whose movies I’ll never watch again: Jonathan Demme, John Landis, Michael Mann, Martin Scorsese, and, bless his heart, Woody Allen, who I guess was forced to sign lest the press seize on the idea of a guy who married his almost-stepdaughter passing judgment on Polanski. Open question to any of these rape-defending turds: How far would you have let Polanski go before deciding that, hey, he probably should serve some time after all? What if he punched the kid in the face when he was raping her? Beat her with a tire iron? Seriously, how far?

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/29/name-em-and-shame-em-more-than-100-filmmakers-sign-petition-defending-child-rapist/

    Hollywood really is a cesspool

  20. As for who gets to vote, I would never want to be the one to decide that. Way too subjective. I’m much more comfortable with a society where everyone votes. But again, the truth of the matter, not everyone who votes is any where close to versed on what the candidates are really saying, to make an intelligent choice,

    Call me an elitist, but I would like to see everyone have to pass a test similar to what naturalized citizens have to pass before they are allowed to vote. That idea won’t get anywhere – too political – but I am not sure why anyone should object on purely rational grounds….

    — hippieprof

  21. Call me an elitist, but I would like to see everyone have to pass a test similar to what naturalized citizens have to pass before they are allowed to vote. That idea won’t get anywhere – too political – but I am not sure why anyone should object on purely rational grounds….

    Fine, elitist. You are aware, of course, that tests to establish elligibility to vote were overturned by the courts, right?

  22. Fine, elitist. You are aware, of course, that tests to establish elligibility to vote were overturned by the courts, right?

    BiW – yes – I am aware – and as I remember the reason is that they were often used as a way to deny certain classes of people the right to vote.

    I think it is probably not a good idea to have restrictions for exactly that reason…. even though it seems tempting at times.

    I still wish people would be more responsible and actually learn something abut the issues before voting…

    — hp

  23. Wow…how politically incorrect, hippieprof. You did the Jim Crow bit…whats next? Slave jokes?

    I’m truly shocked you fired off a statement with your PC filter unhooked.

    Perhaps that statement was itching to get out of a deeply racist subconscious lamenting the days of a white patriarchal society.

  24. lol

    but, honestly, it’s horrible that conspiracy theorist that can’t spell or engage in deductive reasoning are allowed to vote. If teabaggers and nutjobs are allowed to vote, then so should kids.

    But on another serious note, test to vote(?) that would leave a lot of people out then we’d have class issues and it’d be another “the man is keeping us down” type situation. Would cause more problems.

  25. Nullify his plea, try him for rape, and send him to the deepest, darkest hole we have. Namely one where he’ll get to live by the golden rule- do unto others as they (and I mean they) do unto you…

    Understandable conclusion but a non sequitur to your comment on my voting wise crack. You kinda switched gears on me mid-comment there, Gorilla.

  26. The only thing I feel sorry for Roman for is what Charlie put him through.

    It is interesting that you say that Rabbit. Polanski is to some a sympathetic figure because he lost his mother in a Nazi death camp, had his father barely survive the same ordeal and then, as you noted, lost his pregnant wife to nutjob Charlie Manson’s crew. There are those who say when you combine that with a generally lax European attitude toward sex, it is no wonder Polanski behaved as he did.

    In this case, I say … when in America, behave like an American. Here, 13 year old girls are off limits. Period.

  27. HuffPo Goes All In to Defend Polanski, Readers Revolt

    I’m a bit surprised about this since Arianna Huffington condemned Polanski on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” this morning.

  28. DR said… Wow…how politically incorrect, hippieprof. You did the Jim Crow bit…whats next? Slave jokes? I’m truly shocked you fired off a statement with your PC filter unhooked.

    Hmmm…. I said it would be great if everyone had to pass the same test required for naturalized citizens before voting. I didn’t make any claims about who would and who would not be able to pass that test. My claim would only be racist if I felt certain groups would be unable to complete the test given proper preparation.

    Do you believe that, DR?

    — hippieprof

  29. Sarkozy Sees Obama As Incredibly Naive & Grossly Egotistical

    But the thug and islamist leaders love him, thats all that matters, right Dodger? I know you wont answer because you never can defend Thuggy and his ineptness.

  30. Obamateurism of the Day
    posted at 8:05 am on September 30, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

    * General Stanley McChrystal, 9/27/09: “I’ve talked to the President once since I’ve been on a VTC.”

    * LA Times, 6/28/09, on SEIU president Andy Stern’s relationship with White House: “Stern estimates he visits the White House once a week.”

    I guess it all depends which war has a higher priority …

  31. Bette Midler Warns Glenn Beck Could Set Off a Rwanda-Like Civil War in U.S.

    It’s just what the primetime cable news lineup needed – another hour-long program tilted toward left-of-center politics with character assassination on conservatives.

    CNN Headline News debuted its “The Joy Behar Show” on Sept. 29, which included appearances by lefty comedian Jeanane Garofalo, CNN’s Jack Cafferty and actress Bette Midler. Garofalo doubled down on her low regard for conservative 9/12 and tea party protesters, labeling them as racists.Cafferty went after President Barack Obama for his disregard of the carbon footprint his lobbying efforts in Copenhagen for Chicago to host the 2016 Summer Olympics.

    However, actress-turned-Vegas entertainer Bette Midler went straight after former CNN Headline News host Glenn Beck. She was prodded by host Joy Behar, who mentioned Beck as someone who is encouraging a breakdown in so-called “political discourse.”

    “Someone like Glenn Beck has made gazillions of dollars because he’s out there being sort of hateful in many ways,” Behar said. “He calls himself a clown and a comedian. Do you think it’s funny?”

    “I don’t think he’s funny even a little bit,” Midler said. “I’ve never had a laugh from Glenn Beck. In fact, I find him terrifying. I find him terrifying. He’s like an old school demagogue, and it’s really frightening.”

    What did Midler compare Beck to? She likened the popular Fox News host to the instigators of the Rwandan civil war, which was the catalyst for the Rwandan genocide where an estimated 800,000 to 1 million lost their lives.

    “If you look around at the rest of the world and what this kind of behavior has done, like in Rwanda, where the demagogues got on the radio and fomented all that hate between the Tutsis and the Hutus and the devastation that happened from that, I mean, it’s terrifying,” Midler said.

    According to Midler, that’s a possibility in the United States.

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/09/bette-midler-warns-glenn-beck-could-set-off-a-rwandalike-civil-war-in-us.html

    Liberalism is a disease of the mind.

  32. “Conservatives, lacking minds, are fortunately immune….”

    We are immune but thats because we know how to think. We dont go ranting about a Rwanda in the US because of hosts like Tingles. Nice try Prof Bong

  33. We are immune but thats because we know how to think. We dont go ranting about a Rwanda in the US because of hosts like Tingles. Nice try Prof Bong

    Oh, Elric… just admit it… you walked right into that one. You shouldn’t give me such easy openings….

    😉

  34. “Oh, Elric… just admit it… you walked right into that one. You shouldn’t give me such easy openings….”

    No you did went you couldnt even condemn such paranoia from the left. Again nice try

  35. Obama science czar John Holdren stated in a college textbook that “illegitimate children” born to unwed mothers could be taken by the government and put up for adoption if the mother refused to have an abortion.

    Holdren, director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, argued that “illegitimate childbearing could be strongly discouraged” as a socioeconomic measure imposed to control population growth.

    ….On page 786, the authors wrote that one way to discourage illegitimate childbearing “might be to insist that all illegitimate babies be put up for adoption – especially those born to minors who generally are not capable of caring properly for a child alone.”

    Alternatively, the authors suggested unwed mothers might place their babies up for adoption, writing: “If a single mother really wished to keep her baby, she might be obliged to go through adoption proceedings and demonstrate her ability to support and care for it.”

    Rest here>>>

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/09/obama-science-czar-advocated-seizing-babies-born-to-unwed-women-if-they-refuse-to-get-an-abortion-in.html

    Thuggy and his eugenic fascist czars.

  36. Elric,

    CNN Headline News debuted its “The Joy Behar Show” on Sept. 29, which included appearances by lefty comedian Jeanane Garofalo, CNN’s Jack Cafferty and actress Bette Midler. Garofalo doubled down on her low regard for conservative 9/12 and tea party protesters, labeling them as racists.Cafferty went after President Barack Obama for his disregard of the carbon footprint his lobbying efforts in Copenhagen for Chicago to host the 2016 Summer Olympics.

    However, actress-turned-Vegas entertainer Bette Midler went straight after former CNN Headline News host Glenn Beck. She was prodded by host Joy Behar, who mentioned Beck as someone who is encouraging a breakdown in so-called “political discourse.”

    I wonder if our Hippie professor recognizes the irony of stating we don’t have minds being Conservatives, yet takes a measure of exactly who he has aligned himself with? CNN is obviously going down the tubes (Joy Behar to revive their dismal ratings :lol:), brain dead actors and actresses, most who couldn’t make it through a liberal art’s degree in college and dropped out, mealy-mouthed, hatemongers like Jack Cafferty – who most people wouldn’t know from Adam he’s so irrelevant.

    Bette Midler’s commentary should be laughed at. It’s intended for attention seeking from an old gal whose day has come and gone with no wind beneath the wings to hold the ever enlarging girth. If there is to be a fight, I can virtually guarantee you the left will be the first to throw the stone. And when they do, we should stop the pandering and give them the fight they’ve been begging for the last 30+ years.

    Since Hippie has been a gentleman throughout this ordeal, I would love for him to explain to you and me exactly what is it that right is doing so different vis-a-vis the left and is that any different from the flamers we’ve had for 30 years from the liberals, who have done everything from accusations of Nazi to wishing death upon Conservative political leaders? That is, besides Conservatives continuing to bury the libs in the business of be successful in the corporate world.

    Seems to me, at worst Conservatives can be accused of simply playing the game and doing it better…

  37. Tex,

    Crazy isnt it? The libs upped the ante to a genocide because Beck has exposed ACORN, the NEA, Van Jones etc? How the hell is that encouraging a genocide? But we are the ones that have no minds. A real American would have called her out for her insanity.

  38. Sharpton, Jackson Confess to Own Racism

    In a hastily convened press conference this morning, renowned civil rights leaders Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson confessed to harboring racist attitudes themselves, something they were admittedly quick to fault in others. Both Sharpton and Jackson made brief, prepared statements before admitting themselves to the Rush Limbaugh Treatment Center in Cape Girardeau, Missouri.

    Al Sharpton was the first to speak. “I always knew that anybody opposing Barack Obama for any reason was a racist. The only reason anybody spoke up at a town hall meeting to oppose health care reform was because Obama is black, period. Then it hit me.”
    ~

    “I realized that I had opposed George W Bush for eight straight years, and that he’s white. That made me think maybe I’ve got problems, too,” Sharpton said. “I looked in the mirror, and I didn’t like what I saw staring back at me. I said, ‘Al, you’re nothing but a low down bigoted racist.’ I called Brother Jesse here and told him, ‘Jesse, we ain’t nothing but frauds. We’re just as wrong as everybody else we call racist.'”

    http://thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?t=4113

    About damn time they owned up.

  39. All the president’s Olympic cronies
    by Michelle Malkin
    Creators Syndicate
    Copyright 2009

    When government officials play the Olympic lottery, taxpayers lose. That has been the disastrous experience of host cities around the world (Forbes magazine even dubbed the post-Olympic financial burden the “Host City Curse”). So, why are President Obama and his White House entourage headed to Copenhagen, Denmark this week to push a fiscally doomed Chicago 2016 bid? Political payback.

    http://www.creators.com/opinion/michelle-malkin.html

    Cant say I am shocked

  40. Tex said I wonder if our Hippie professor recognizes the irony of stating we don’t have minds being Conservatives, yet takes a measure of exactly who he has aligned himself with?

    Tex – it was a joke for goodness sake! Elric gave me the perfect straight man line so I took it….

    — hp

  41. Sarkozy Sees Obama As Incredibly Naive & Grossly Egotistical

    LOL this is too funny. Elric I’m 99% sure you were at the head of the line calling for the renaming of French Fries to Freedom Fries but now suddenly the opinion of Sarkozy matters to you.

    One reason I don’t ban you is that you’re so damn good for comic relief. 🙂

  42. Regarding the Obamabear … I hate parody web sites because if they’re any good, I always fall for them. I actually thought for a moment “wow Obama has a blog” until I looked at the topics.

    Good work Elric, you got me. (Unless of course you were too dopey to realize it was a parody yourself.)

  43. “LOL this is too funny. Elric I’m 99% sure you were at the head of the line calling for the renaming of French Fries to Freedom Fries but now suddenly the opinion of Sarkozy matters to you.”

    You are too funny. When you cant defend Thuggy (which is never) you go into some rant that has nothing to do with what I posted. Why cant you just address what Sarkozy said?

    BTW When is the antigovernment muslim post going up?

  44. “Great comeback! ROTFLMAO!!!”

    Funny coming from someone who mindlessly follows Thuggy regardless of all the fascism.

    So why are you guys ignoring a lib saying that Beck will cause genocide and a lib host not calling her out on it? You that mindless you cant form an opinion on it?

  45. Obama’s Website: 10 Ways to Indoctrinate Kids….

    This has nothing to do with President Obama. The damn thing is more than a year old when he was campaigning for President.

    Again … throw it all against the wall and see what sticks.

  46. Hippie,

    I know you smart enough to recognize that I’m smart enough to know that your flippant comment a joke to Elric.

    But it still doesn’t change the fact that you’re politically aligned at the hip with idiots like Code Pink, anarchists, Bette Midler, Cher, Sean Penn, Danny Glover, Janeane Garofalo, and a multitude of morons and deviants from the Hollywood left who are the most vocal part of the progressive crowd. I was just wondering if these imbeciles ever give you pause?

    You keep insinuating that the left far smarter and far better educated than Conservatives, but somebody is going to have to prove that to me – and it wont be from a college campus because I continue to be unimpressed with most of that crowd too. 😉

  47. Obama WH bribing Dem challengers out of primaries?
    posted at 12:55 pm on September 30, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    Perhaps this is just the consequence of having a hardball Congressional elbow-thrower like Rahm Emanuel as White House chief of staff, but as Jim Geraghty writes, it comes close to bribery using federal funds. When Democrat Andrew Romanoff made noises about mounting a primary challenge to Senator Michael Bennet (D-CO), the White House contacted Romanoff and made an interesting — and arguably corrupt — counteroffer:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/30/obama-wh-bribing-dem-challengers-out-of-primaries/

    As one state legislator tells Riley, the White House has every right to take a position on primary races. What they do not have the right to do is to use federal dollars to buy challengers out of primary races. Offering positions paid by taxpayer money to potential challengers to Democratic incumbents is political corruption of the worst kind. It involves interfering with the choices made by Coloradans, conversion of public funds for partisan purposes, and the appointment of officials for cheap politics rather than qualifications.

    In fact, I seem to recall a presidential candidate who campaigned on changing that kind of Beltway politics. One candidate based his run on Hope and Change, on full transparency, on judgment and clean government. He promised a New Direction, not Chicago-on-the-Potomac. Who was that masked man, anyway?

  48. Elric I see your funny bone has the best of you today. The Jackson/Sharpton racist admission … another parody. Well at least I’m glad to see you’re in good humor for a change.

  49. “This has nothing to do with President Obama. The damn thing is more than a year old when he was campaigning for President.”

    It doesnt? Oh yeah just like sitting ina racist “church” for 20 years has nothing to do with him either.

    Great mindless counter argument drone

  50. Tex,

    You notice drones like Dodger never condemn what these leftists say but when someone like Sarah Palin says something, out comes an entire post on it. Rather comical

  51. So why are you guys ignoring a lib saying that Beck will cause genocide and a lib host not calling her out on it? You that mindless you cant form an opinion on it?

    Actually I ignore it by not watching the Joy Behar show. Since you don’t get cable you didn’t watch it either.

    The fact that you waste your time on Joy Behar tells me how little you value your time. She’s not worth defending.

  52. Code Pink, anarchists, Bette Midler, Cher, Sean Penn, Danny Glover, Janeane Garofalo

    LOL talk about a motley crew! You left out Bugs Bunny. He was a major leftist sh*t stirrer. 😀

  53. “Actually I ignore it by not watching the Joy Behar show. Since you don’t get cable you didn’t watch it either.”

    Nice dodge since I posted it.

    “The fact that you waste your time on Joy Behar tells me how little you value your time. She’s not worth defending.”

    Never waste of time pointing out the nutjobs on your side of the aisle.

  54. “R”,

    I know they are a motley crew. Now why would a dashing superstar like you not cringe and condemn when these morons appear on stage for political applause? 😮

    I mean, I know you good enough still to have a sense of shame. You and Hippie could do so much better! Now come from the dark (side) and join me on my quest to clean up America, Old Skywalker. 🙂

  55. (Fox News)- Members of the Senate Finance Committee rejected an amendment Wednesday to strengthen anti-abortion provisions in the Senate’s health care overhaul bill.

    Republican Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah, whose amendment lost 13 to 10, argued before the panel that tightening is needed to prevent federal funds from being used to pay for abortion.

    “I want assurances that taxpayer dollars will not be used to fund abortions,” said Hatch. “Let’s put specific language from my amendment into the bill.” The senator argued that women should be required to purchase abortion coverage through unsubsidized, supplemental plans called “riders.”

    But a host of Democratic senators were quick to blast Hatch’s amendment, calling it “offensive” to women and claiming the proposal seeks to change current law.

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/09/senate-panel-votes-down-antiabortion-amendment-in-health-care-bill-dems-call-it-offensive-to-women.html

    Another lie exposed

  56. What’s in the White House’s ObamaCare bill?
    posted at 1:36 pm on September 30, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    A month ago, as Congress prepared to return to Washington DC in total disarray on overhauling the American health-care system, the White House proclaimed that Barack Obama himself would draft a proposal to restart the process. His joint speech in Congress mentioned no such plan, however, and the media quickly shifted its focus to the Senate Finance Committee, where moderates would have more influence than in Nancy Pelosi’s House. Today, though, Roll Call reveals that the White House did craft its own plan — but wants to keep it under wraps now that Congress has returned to its own deliberations:

    This creates another problem for Democrats. Both moderates and progressives in their caucus need traction over some contentious points of the plan, especially the public option. With the White House super-secret plan known, members of both chambers may demand to see it to gauge where they stand with the administration. Both groups would also be concerned, as Roll Call notes, that Obama was preparing to “sell them out.”

    No matter how one looks at it, though, it’s a strange notion of leadership. Barack Obama insisted that he had the “judgment to lead,” but on his highest priority domestic-agenda item, Obama leads by … hiding. A real leader would have produced this plan months ago and shaped the legislation through assertive engagement. Instead, Obama has waited until the end of the process, and even then keeps his thoughts a secret.

    What’s in the White House plan? Why is Obama afraid to show it to Congress, and more importantly, to the rest of the nation? Is this Obama’s idea of “the most transparent administration in history”?

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/30/whats-in-the-white-houses-obamacare-bill/

    Why did Thuggy campaign on transparency Dodger when he is anything but transparent? You say Im here for comical relief so make me a fool by explaining this. Can you do it or are you really a masochist and enjoy looking like a fool on your own blog? Your choice

  57. Tex said: But it still doesn’t change the fact that you’re politically aligned at the hip with idiots like Code Pink, anarchists, Bette Midler, Cher, Sean Penn, Danny Glover, Janeane Garofalo, and a multitude of morons and deviants from the Hollywood left who are the most vocal part of the progressive crowd. I was just wondering if these imbeciles ever give you pause?

    I am not sure that I am politically aligned with any of those people – or even what you mean by aligned. I don’t get my talking points from them. I certainly share some views with some of them – but you can bet I disagree with them on quite a bit too.

    I can probably name a fair number of people who you are “aligned” with that I find to be extreme – Palin, Limbaugh, Beck, Dobbs – they are all as far to the right as the folks you mention are to the left. To quote you – don’t those “imbeciles” even give you pause?

    You keep insinuating that the left far smarter and far better educated than Conservatives

    Actually, with the exception of my humorous comment to Elric I haven’t been saying that at all. Seriously – have I ever questioned your intelligence or education? Have I ever called someone the equivalent of “Densico?” No – I haven’t.

    On the other hand, folks on “my side” do take quite a few insults from y’all. Sensico and Rutherford take nonstop insults – mostly from Elric but the rest of you chime in pretty regularly.

    — hippieprof

  58. “I can probably name a fair number of people who you are “aligned” with that I find to be extreme – Palin, Limbaugh, Beck, Dobbs – they are all as far to the right as the folks you mention are to the left.

    Extreme in what way? Give examples.

    “Have I ever called someone the equivalent of “Densico?”

    No one comes close to being the equivalent of Densico except Dodger, but he gets closer everyday.

  59. Hippie,

    😆 Just about when I think you’re a lib I can deal with, you pop off something like this:

    I can probably name a fair number of people who you are “aligned” with that I find to be extreme – Palin, Limbaugh, Beck, Dobbs – they are all as far to the right as the folks you mention are to the left. To quote you – don’t those “imbeciles” even give you pause?

    So you think those four equate to the above mentioned deviants that I listed? Please…speaking about an insult to one’s intelligence. I’m not sure I find you especially rationale after a statement that absurd. What you really don’t like about those four is not only does their voice resonate, but they are incredibly successful. Free speech works one way with the hypocritical progressive party and you can’t stand the heat. Simple as that – they are now beating the libs at their own game.

  60. I feel like today is Improv at the Rutherford Blog. Elric asks HP to provide examples of Palin, Limbaugh, etal being extreme. That’s like asking for examples of clouds being puffy and white. I have trouble figuring out whether Elric asks the question sincerely or he just enjoys provoking people to answer asinine questions.

    Then Tex makes an attempt to compare the “success” of Janeane Garafolo to that of Glenn Beck. Let’s put it this way Tex, Garafolo isn’t on any bread lines and can easily buy and sell you (and me).

    I’m surprised you didn’t list Oprah in your gang of deviants. She is a staunch supporter of Obama. Think Oprah’s bank account is smaller than Beck’s or Limbaugh’s? I kinda doubt it.

  61. #1 at Rutherford

    ou left out Bugs Bunny. He was a major leftist sh*t stirrer.

    Bull! BB was a great American and ate his veggies.
    FWIW I notice a pretty clear use of certain pronouns on behalf of HP at least that leaves me feeling he isn’t necessarily after all right of centers or anyone personally. Am I missing something ?
    Nuts and jerks are pretty fairly matched up at least mainstream wise.

  62. Why do you think he dodged the question when I asked him for examples? Seems he wants to compete with Dodger and Densico.

    Elric, it isn’t that I can’t find examples. I think there are lots. However, note the time of my remark – 8 minutes before the hour (1:52 in my time zone). I teach at 2:00. Sorry that I took those last couple of minutes preparing for class and walking up the stairs.

    Instead of considering alternative explanations, you instead decide to call me moron.

    I won’t respond by insulting you in return. I will simply note that your failure to consider alternatives, coupled with your choice to insult my intelligence instead, suggests that you might be… I will let others decide.

    Now – I have other work-related things to do for the next couple of hours and won’t be posting a series of examples for a bit. I will leave you with two quick ones, though:

    Dobbs is a birther – nuff said. Beck is sympathetic to birthers. Beck thinks Obama hates all white people, and hates white culture – which he then refuses to define when asked directly.

    — hippieprof

  63. Tex said: Just about when I think you’re a lib I can deal with, you pop off something like this….. So you think those four equate to the above mentioned deviants that I listed?

    Tex, one thing I have discovered is that we tend to get a fix of where the “middle” is relative to our own position. Yes – to me those people seem way far to the right. The lefties you mention – though mostly to the left of me – don’t seem as extreme to me because of my personal position on the spectrum.

    There is actually some decent social psychology hidden in this point. We all evaluate biases relative to our own beliefs – according to our own frame of reference. That is why two people can honestly disagree about amount of bias – each equally sure of the correctness of their view.

    — hp

  64. “Dobbs is a birther – nuff said”

    Fine debating skills there. LOL

    “Beck is sympathetic to birthers”

    So? Given Thuggy sealing just about his entire past, its easy to see why someone would be sympathetic to birthers.

    “Beck thinks Obama hates all white people, and hates white culture – which he then refuses to define when asked directly.”

    Given Thuggy sitting in a racist “church” for 20 years and his anti-white comments in his books, its also very easy to see why Thuggy hates white people and white culture.

    Now you have anything else? If that was it, it was rather poor examples.

  65. Alfie said… I notice a pretty clear use of certain pronouns on behalf of HP at least that leaves me feeling he isn’t necessarily after all right of centers or anyone personally. Am I missing something ?

    Alfie, I am not after anyone. I just enjoy the conversation – usually – and think that is a good thing to respectfully air differences of opinion.

    — hp

  66. However, note the time of my remark – 8 minutes before the hour

    LOL HP, my bad. I forgot to warn you that Elric thinks that everyone has a bot on their computer like he does that rings in the living room, family room, bathroom, garage and the buzzer under the pillow for those few moments when he falls asleep, so that he can rush to the ‘puter, read the latest comment and then offer a retort.

    Heck … I’ve had him accuse me of dodging a comment of his only five minutes after he posted it. Professor, you’re dealing with a very peculiar specimen here. Be prepared for just about anything. 🙂

  67. That is why two people can honestly disagree about amount of bias – each equally sure of the correctness of their view.

    Which is why the debates on this forum are excellent mental exercises but ultimately futile.

  68. “Which is why the debates on this forum are excellent mental exercises but ultimately futile.”

    LOL You dont even debate there Dodger. I guess you need a mind for a mental exercise. Perhaps thats why its futile for you.

  69. First, Elric, how can you, a minimally intelligent human being, not acknowledge that Steele is an embarrassment?

    Second:
    “So when is that antigovernment muslim post going up? You set a date yet?”

    Actually I have. November 31, 2009. Be there. 😀

  70. “First, Elric, how can you, a minimally intelligent human being, not acknowledge that Steele is an embarrassment?”

    Actually I could care less what Steele said. I unlike you was forming my own opinion of what Friedman said.

    “Actually I have. November 31, 2009. Be there.”

    Wow, you are such a moron you dont even know there are only 30 days in November. Now again when will you post it. I know you were in such a hurry to smear “antigovernment” conservatives. Why wont you post it on an actual case where a muslim was attempting to blow up a federal building and kill 100’s of people? Why is that Dodger?

  71. LOL PAWNED!!!!!

    The video was amusing. However, is there a reason Elric why you tagged a “t=151” on the URL which basically causes the viewer to jump to the very end of the video. Reminds me a bit of how you often post blog links that take the reader right to the comments section. I assume you do this stuff accidentally, but it does get a bit irritating.

  72. Hippie,

    You guys didn’t like my suggestion about how far right Beck at al are – so can we agree that this guy is as far right as, say, Garafolo is left?

    Well, 😆

    I might have a hard time defending that one – but at least he’s about as pretty Garafolo.

  73. Let’s put it this way Tex, Garafolo isn’t on any bread lines and can easily buy and sell you (and me).

    So what? So could Fidel Castro.

    She’s still as nasty looking as a pile of dog crap and about as popular with all but the loons like you.

    No, that nasty slug is not anywhere near as successful as Beck – not even close. She’s only a conversation piece because she’s got a nasty mouth and she’s a lib. Garafolo is irrelevant “R” – though given the chance, I would punch her glasses into her cerebrum given the chance.

  74. Rep. Alan Grayson Compares Health Care in America to the Holocaust….

    The holocaust comment was over the top but the “Republicans want you to die quickly” was sensational! LOL

  75. Derbyshire is a horse’s ass. Heard about him on Olberman tonight. And sadly, you won’t see a single GOP’er denounce him.

    By the way, I think Tex may have had a point a few comments back. Olberman has been dealing with an ailing father and has been absent from his show a lot lately and I think the withdrawal was getting to me. He was back tonight in rare form. From Derbyshire, to asinine Glenn Beck to Lou Dobbs claiming that a congregation who was saying “deliver us Oh God” was actually saying “deliver us Obama” (my favorite jackass Elric posted that beauty also), one hour with Keith shows just how totally brain dead most of the GOP talking heads are.

    So Tex you’re right. Now that I’ve had my dose of Olberman for the night, I feel so much better. 🙂

  76. Looking at the Alan Colmes article in WZ I just realized something. Elric gets his posting style (i.e. saying virtually nothing but quoting other sources, with a snide one liner appended) from his favorite site WeaselZippers! Just look at the “article” on Alan Colmes from WZ … the only original content, the word “douche”. LOL

  77. Wow, you are such a moron you dont even know there are only 30 days in November.

    I could’ve said the twelfth of never but that would have been too obvious.

    And he has the audacity to call me a moron. ROTFLMAO!

  78. Would have been nice if 24 killed her off

    Oh dear, there goes Elric confusing reality and fantasy again. Ok Elric, let me help you here, if she had been killed off on “24”, the actress would still be alive.

    Repeat after me Elric:

    “24 is pretend”
    “24 is pretend”
    “24 is pretend”

    OK … now go back to your room and color. 🙂

  79. Anybody that likes Keith Olbermann, much less watches him, is sick in my book. Of course, he couldn’t cut it on ESPN and they canned him, so where did he move?

    MSNBC…

  80. “Oh dear, there goes Elric confusing reality and fantasy again. Ok Elric, let me help you here, if she had been killed off on “24″, the actress would still be alive.”

    No really? I wanted her killed off so she wouldnt be on for another season moron. Now shut up and color. You cant even steal that right. Biden plagiarizes better than you.

  81. Tex said Anybody that likes Keith Olbermann, much less watches him, is sick in my book. Of course, he couldn’t cut it on ESPN and they canned him, so where did he move?

    Personally I don’t watch Olbermann because I think he is too over-the-top, even if I agree with much of what he says.

    To me, Olbermann is probably equivalent in his “leftness” to Beck in his “rightness” – but I take it Tex that you think Olberman is more extreme?

    On a purely academic note I think this is interesting, that we tend to see the people on the other side as more extreme than people on our own side- I am actually working on a blog right now discussing the psychology of all that….

    — hp

  82. Hippie,

    I don’t know about extreme. I only know that Beck is far better at what he does, as indicated by the rousing success and the sniveling of the corrupt left. Olbermann is joke to most of us. The clown at the dunk tank, who we all love to throw rocks at. Like Wally Curator, he is meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

    I actually pissed him off so bad once that I got a nasty gram back in my personal email. I was gigging him about the size of his audience being comparable to the size of his manhood. How some things just go together.

  83. Obama Administration Gives ACORN $1 Million to Fight Fires

    Earlier this month and despite the public scrutiny over the voter fraud and felony criminal activity associated with ACORN, the Department of Homeland Security went ahead and granted $997,402 to ACORN under the FY 2008 Fire Prevention and Safety Program.

    To most people, the timing and the amount of the grant would seem off base, but when you take into account the fact that DHS awarded ACORN–an organization with no clear expertise in fire safety and prevention–a fire prevention and safety grant, it’s just plain offensive.

    With fire departments all over Louisiana – and the rest of the country – struggling to make ends meet and get the equipment and training they need to protect their local communities, the idea of a million dollar grant going to ACORN is unsettling, to say the least.

    http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/10/obama-administration-gives-acorn-1.html

    Something else for the drones to ignore

  84. Anybody that likes Keith Olbermann …

    Well I cannot vouch for “liking” him on a personal basis. He has the ego of Texas so he might be pretty insufferable on a personal level. But there is no beating him for liberal catharsis. On a nightly basis, the dude punctures the sheer idiocy of much of the Republican leadership.

    What still amazes me is that intelligent folks like Tex don’t demand so much more from their leadership.

  85. “What still amazes me is that intelligent folks like Tex don’t demand so much more from their leadership.”

    Ironic coming froma guy that wont condem Thuggy for pimping the Olympics for his Chicago buddies as troops are dying in Afghanistan.

  86. elric said So you doing that antigovernment muslim post next Dodger?

    So – I thought that Rutherford was the blog owner and thus gets to decide what the content should be? Or am I missing something?

    — hp

  87. “So – I thought that Rutherford was the blog owner and thus gets to decide what the content should be? Or am I missing something?”

    I asked him if he was since he loves to do posts on antigovernment conservatives I though he would do one on antigovernment muslims since one did try to blow up a federal building. I was asking him since I know he doesnt like to be hypocritical, not demanding that he does.

    So the only thing you are missing is a mind.

  88. I find it appalling to see the amount of support Hollywood has given this criminal. I don’t care that the crime was committed 32 years ago. If it was an average Joe that was apprehended today, he/she would have been immediately extradited to the country of said offense(s) to carry out their sentence. I saw an article on CNN that stated celebrities are finally coming out of the woodwork to voice their disgust at the support being given to Polanski. If anything, he should be given a harder sentence for fleeing prior to serving his time. He was reward a 32-year stay of sentencing and now he should spend the rest of his life in prison wondering why he did something so stupid. While I have sympathy for the victim, I do not think her wish should be granted in this case. Having said that, I do think she should not be put out in the media, she has indeed suffered enough.

  89. So when will that bitch Pelosi reign in Grayson? I thought the crone wanted civility or is that a one way street?

    Actually, I saw a vid of Pelosi saying everyone should apologize and start acting more civil, on both sides of the aisle. She did not endorse Grayson’s comments, although the more I hear them the more I like them. 🙂 Particularly the knuckle dragging neanderthal bit.

  90. I actually pissed him off so bad once that I got a nasty gram back in my personal email.

    Seriously Tex, if you’ve still got it, send it to me. It will go no further than my inbox. I’m just dying to see what Olbermann (or his rep, since I seriously doubt he personally answers “fan mail”) wrote to you.

  91. Ironic coming froma guy that wont condem Thuggy for pimping the Olympics for his Chicago buddies as troops are dying in Afghanistan.

    This has got to be one of the most asinine criticisms of Obama yet. Another example of throw everything at the wall and see what sticks.

    It’s a one day trip, spent mostly in a “flying oval office” where he’ll be working. If the trip has any positive influence, we’ll get the games which will …. brace yourself … create jobs.

    If you don’t believe me, watch a former Labor Secretary tell you what is what. (Oh do also enjoy seeing what incredible dumbasses Beck, Steele and Boehner are. Like I said before, this is the best you guys can do for political mouthpieces?)

  92. “R”,

    On a nightly basis, the dude punctures the sheer idiocy of much of the Republican leadership.

    Perhaps, but you should have no room to criticize Michelle Malkin or Ann Coulter then, should you?

    One thing I will give Olbermann. There isn’t a bigger coward on the planet as you yourself have noted on many occasion. He won’t venture of his egotistical stage, yet there you are rooting the coward on. I’ve noticed that libs always love the cowards. Probably explains why they hate the military – unless you get the Benedict Arnold types like Wee Wally Curator.

    But then

  93. “This has got to be one of the most asinine criticisms of Obama yet. Another example of throw everything at the wall and see what sticks.”

    Is that your new “debating” line? LOL

  94. So – I thought that Rutherford was the blog owner and thus gets to decide what the content should be? Or am I missing something?

    LOL When I look at the sheer volume of Elric’s comments, even I have to wonder sometimes if he isn’t a co-blogger here. 🙂 One of the qualifications for blogging, in my opinion at least, is the ability to express an original thought, or at least express an unoriginal thought in an original way. Sadly, our favorite WZ Pimp fails in both regards.

  95. To me, Olbermann is probably equivalent in his “leftness” to Beck in his “rightness

    As I said over at your blog HP, I don’t think Beck belongs in the equation because he is basically a ratings-whore whack job. I think it would be more accurate to concede Olbermann equivalent in his leftness to Limbaugh in his rightness, albeit the two function in two different media (TV and radio respectively).

  96. I find it appalling to see the amount of support Hollywood has given this criminal.

    Jorge, welcome to the blog and my apologies for not moderating your comment sooner, just got to it.

    It is disturbing how Hollywood, normally an empathetic lot, have abandoned the victim in this case and put misplaced sympathy with Polanski. I fully see where you’re coming from.

  97. “One of the qualifications for blogging, in my opinion at least, is the ability to express an original thought, or at least express an unoriginal thought in an original way.”

    So whats the excuse for not being able to condemn Thuggy or the demomarxists for anything?

  98. “Justice is not specific to any particular victim. Society establishes a set of norms that specify how its members will conduct themselves. When those norms are violated, a price must be paid. It is time for Roman Polanski to pay that price.”

    Then it is time a millionfold for Henry “Power is the Ultimate Aphrodisiac” Kissinger and his associates to pay that price. He has not.

    The U.S. “justice” system has kept Kissinger above the law, making sure that everything from mere requests for testimony by Spain, France, Chile and Argentina to a lawsuit accusing him of causing kidnapping, torture, and death all fail on “procedural” grounds.

    Procedural grounds clearly being the only thing behind which to hide Henry in the face of a truckload of historical evidence that would have made a Nuremberg prosecutor weep with joy. From the hundreds of thousands of civilians killed in the illegal bombing he orchestrated in Cambodia to the aiding and abetting of assassinations in Latin America eliminating democratically elected governments and installing dictators who Kissinger supported in their campaigns terrorizing, torturing and killing their own people.

    Meanwhile, in the U.S. Henry continues to be celebrated, admired, fawned over and consulted on news/talk shows and in the corridors of wealth, power, business and academia.

    Something to consider for those now railing at Polansky’s apologists. Or is it that the US is a society that no longer has or never did have norms that Henry “Power is the Ultimate Aphrodisiac” Kissinger might be guilty of violating?

  99. Well, I have to admit the last thing I expected to find in this blog thread was an indictment of Henry Kissinger. I’m no Kissinger expert and I’m in no position to debate you. You obviously have a right to your opinion which is why I’ve approved your comment.

  100. There is a cry for Polanski to be treated like everyone else, but he is not being treated like everyone else, because everyone else GOT OFF SCOT-FREE

    Samantha’s mother got off scot-free for child neglect, she was shoppiing around her underage 13 year old daughter for modelling jobs without a chaperone, and for all we know this may have been a ploy to blackmail Polanski,

    There was another American male who was having sex with the same minor “child”, and he got off scot-free, and was not even prosecuted by the Los Angeles prosecutors.

    (Hmm a little discrimination here, with two men, one American and one foreign, being treated differently when faced by the same California statute?)

    Anjelica Huston also got off scot-free for possession of cocaine in return for her witness information on the child Samantha who she thought might have been over 20 years old.

    The Judge got off scot-free for the illegal sentencing- and illegal extortion of Roman Polanski that he was about to inflict and which caused Polanski to flee the Santa Monica Court’s injustice.

    The Prosecutor David Wells got off scot-free for influencing the Santa Monica Judge Laurence J. Rittenband against Roman Polanski giving the Judge the photo of Polanski sitting next to smiling German girls at the OktoberFest, even though sitting next to German girls is not illegal, so Roman Polanski did not deserve an enhanced sentence because he sat next to German girls.

    I bet the Judge was jealous of Polanski sitting next to girls at the Octoberfest and lashed out 32 years ago .

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