Another Fine Moment for Republicans

As if it weren’t bad enough that our President apparently could not be trusted talking to our children, last night he was called a liar not once but twice on national television.

The first incident, called by some the insult heard ’round the world, was when Obama told a joint session of Congress that health care reform would not cover illegal aliens. After some rumbling from the crowd, South Carolina Republican representative Joe Wilson shouted “you lie.” I’ve watched my share of presidential addresses to Congress, and folks older and more seasoned than I have confirmed my belief that this kind of rudeness was never displayed to a President before during a joint session.

Many are ready to move on because Wilson issued an apology before the night was over. Trouble is that in his own words, he did so after being urged by senior members of his party. It did not occur to him on his own that you don’t call the President a liar on national TV while he is giving an address? Some (like MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough) say this was out of character for Wilson, who is normally mild mannered. Others say this is the real Wilson. Regardless, the current mood in our country made Wilson feel comfortable telling the President of the United States that he is a liar. Wilson will get his comeuppance as his challenger for the 2010 election is already raking in the dough, in protest against Wilson’s unbridled insolence. Of course, Wilson’s behavior should not overly surprise us as he is a”deather” (supporter of  Sarah Palin’s delusions), a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans and is on record criticizing Strom Thurmond’s bi-racial daughter for bringing “shame” to him by revealing her identity.

The lying accusations did not end there. After Obama’s speech, we got treated to the Republican response. The last Republican response was the infamously awkward response delivered by Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal. For reasons known only to the geniuses in the Republican party, they went to the Louisiana well again, this time choosing Charles Boustany, an LA representative to deliver the response. Boustany within a minute of speaking referred to the “government takeover of healthcare” in direct contradiction to Obama who stated there was no such thing afoot. Wow I guess Obama told lots of lies last night.

But it gets better. Boustany, a heart surgeon, has been sued three times for malpractice. (In his defense, many doctors are sued in this litigious society … but three times?) And now … wait for it …. Boustany is … keep waiting …. a birther! Yes you read it right. The best the Republican party could do in finding a speaker last night was someone who doubts Barack Obama was born in this country.

On NBC’s “Meet the Press” last Sunday, Tom Friedman made the following remark regarding the “Obama will indoctrinate our children” kerfuffle:

What it needs is for people to stand up and say that’s flat out stupid, ok? That’s flat out stupid what you’re talking about.

Indeed the Republican party has graduated from the Party of No to the Party of Stupid. Instead of universal condemnation of Wilson’s outburst, we get near silence from his fellow Republicans. Instead of asking Tim Pawlenty, Mitt Romney or even the slightly unpredictable Mike Huckabee to deliver the Republican response, they turn to a deservedly unknown incompetent doctor who as a birther is at best stupid and at worst racist.

While I am a liberal to my core, I am almost rooting for a resurgence of the Republican party in the intellectual corridors of the northeast and the west. Intelligent men in the mold of William F. Buckley seem to have disappeared from the Republican party and what is left is a bunch of backwoods, south-will-rise-again, would be secessionists. Perhaps I should be delighted at  this development? Let’s face it, because of idiot Joe Wilson, very little attention has been paid to what even ultra-liberal MSNBC and Huff Post contributor Lawrence O’Donnell felt was an underwhelming speech by Obama. People are not talking about how Obama will pay for healthcare. They’re talking about the  House Rep who stepped out of a scene from “Deliverance” into the House chamber last night.

Yet I’m not delighted. Last night’s display is another in a series of incidents that show our country to be on very shaky social ground. While it is true that the office of the Presidency has not regained its luster since the debacle that was Richard Nixon’s second term, never has the level of disrespect risen to this level, this very personal level, where the President is a threat to our children and a liar in the eyes of our elected officials who are willing to humiliate him in public to make their point. On MSNBC’s “Hardball” the son of the Great Communicator, Ron Reagan warned that we are headed down a dangerous road.  He is right.

How can we expect the general public to control their darkest impulses when we can no longer expect civility from those who set an example, our elected officials? The Republicans need to clean up their act and fast. It is only so long before the fuse that they keep lighting eventually runs out and the resulting explosion has consequences for which they alone will be responsible.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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  1. ““government takeover of healthcare” in direct contradiction to Obama who stated there was no such thing afoot. Wow I guess Obama told lots of lies last night.”-Rutherford

    I will concede that yelling “liar” may be classless.

    But saying it in a nice calm voice may be warranted.

    Rutherford, Obama said, only a dozen months ago or so, that the way to universal coverage is the public option.

    Word for word.

    You can’t deny this.

    How do you expect people not to question the man?

    Obama also tallies illegal aliens as those who are insured. He did it that speech! Do you think it’s honest to include illegal aliens as part of the uninsured problem in America and then. minutes later, claim they aren’t part of health care reform?

    It’s fricking September Rutherford, how’s that stimulus working? Are we at 11% yet? Biden promised us big time shovel ready shit by August. Shoveling shit, indeed.

    Hey Ruthferod, why don’t you do a little research on how many dealerships have been paid. They were promised 10 days. That doesn’t concern you?

  2. Rutherford, since you seem to be done remotely responding to anyone who questions your political man crush, I will fold up a note like we are in middle school and draw little boxes for you to check.

    Has President Obama been a long time supporter of a universal, single-payer system? Yes or No.

    Has the Congressional Budget Office claimed that HR 3200 will add over $200 billion to the deficit? Yes or No

    Is SS, Medicare, and Medicaid are already trillions of dollars in the red? Yes or No

    Do you really think the president has a plan to save billions of dollars by eliminating waste and abuse in Medicare and Medicaid? Yes or No

    (if yes, i would love to hear what that is and would love to find out what the hell we have been waiting for to implement it)

  3. Report: Indonesia’s Aceh province set to approve stoning as punishment under Sharia

    Demonstrating once again that any Sharia is a slippery slope to more Sharia: theocratic systems don’t lend themselves to selective implementation. Those who campaign for it are unlikely to be satisfied with just a little Sharia — rather, it is a proverbial foot in the door. And as the Islamic arm of government gains strength and confidence, more Sharia follows.

    “Aceh to Legalize Stoning,” from VivaNews, September 11:

    VIVAnews – Aceh House of Representatives (DPRA) will soon legalize Qanun (law) on Jinayat (crimes).

    Qanun Jinayat and Qanun Jinayat Code contain several rules on Islamic Sharia in Aceh. The regulations also include a number of punishments including hand-cutting for thieves and stoning against adulterers who are married.

    Aceh civil activists ask the legislative and local officials not to be hasty in passing the laws. The plan to ratify the regulations is considered rash and filled with political agenda.

    So many continue to try to have it both ways: Sharia cannot ever be at fault, lest criticizing it imply that Allah is unkind, or that the legal prescriptions of the Qur’an are behind the times. By process of elimination, then, it must be the implementation of Sharia that is at fault. Thus, Sharia continues its record — not unlike that of Communism — as a system whose supposed perfection on paper is never realized in practice… but the defects in the letter of the law are above scrutiny.

    “Qanun Jinayah and the (Qanun Jinayat) code are badly prepared. (They) should be further analyzed in the first place, “ Aceh Human Rights NGO Director, Evinarti Zein, said in a written statement received by VIVAnews on Thursday, September 10.

    Zein also said Qanun draft bill has never been campaigned, which makes it seems to be forced by the House. She also thought the draft bill is far different from the Islamic penal law.

    “The Board hasn’t seriously worked on Qanun and it will be hard for the law enforcers to enforce Islamic Shari’a if [we] haven’t fully adopted Islamic laws,” Zein said.

    Although it sets out punishments for thefts and adulterers behaviors, it does not oversee any rules on burglary, corruption and murder. The activists predict the laws would only be enforced to the lower-class society.

    “This Qanun is only aimed at lower-class community basing its reason on the issue that any regulation not attached in the Qanun Jinayat will be stipulated by the Penal Code. Therefore, the legalization should be delayed,” said Evinarti.

    Meanwhile, as reported by the Malaysian Insider, former President Abdurrahman Wahid, who encouraged the implementation of Shari’a in Aceh a few years ago, once said that the punishments should not include stoning or body part-cutting because it would violate human rights and Indonesian Penal Code.

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/027519.php

    God ol tolerant islam strikes again. I wonder if this is the area Thuggy the Marine killer grew up.

  4. Hey Rutherford, Joe Wilson was only telling the truth. To think that Obama is the only President to be treated rudely at a public gathering is comical. You truly are growing more pathetic by the day. Buck up and take your just desserts. You and your Liar-In-Chief earned it.

    “Hubris-laden charlatans” was the way a recent e-mail from a reader characterized the Obama administration. That phrase seems especially appropriate for the Charlatan-in-Chief, Barack Obama, whose speech to a joint session of Congress was both a masterpiece of rhetoric and a shameless fraud.

    To tell us, with a straight face, that he can insure millions more people without adding to the already skyrocketing deficit, is world-class chutzpa and an insult to anyone’s intelligence. To do so after an analysis by the Congressional Budget Office has already showed this to be impossible reveals the depths of moral bankruptcy behind the glittering words.

    Oh, and Rutherford just so you don’t throw around the race card, the man who said this is black. Brilliant and black… Can you guess who said it? I’ll be back later to read your guess.

  5. As Rutherford whines about how rudely treated poor, poor Obama was, anybody remember the cast of hundreds of prim and proper Dims singing to George Bush as he was leaving the White House lawn in January:

    Nah nah nah nah, hey hey hey, GOODBYE!

    Like I’ve said before, libbies are big on dishing it out. Once punched in the mouth, they fold their tents and take their ball(s) home like school children.

  6. Obamateurism of the Day
    posted at 8:05 am on September 11, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    President Obama warned his political opponents against using “partisan spectacles” and “scare tactics” in the health-care overhaul debate — but couldn’t make it out of his own speech before failing to take his own advice. Here’s a mashup of the two moments, which come 28 minutes apart in Obama’s speech on Wednesday:

    Other words……..LIAR!!!

  7. “The best the Republican party could do in finding a speaker last night was someone who doubts Barack Obama was born in this country.”

    Hmmmmm the best Thuggy the Marine killer could find for an unconstitutional post is a troother, a marxists and a racist? I can see why you stay away.

  8. “..the hopes and prospects of embittered children across the globe — children not just in the Middle East, but also in Africa, Asia, Latin America, Eastern Europe and within our own shores”?

    Where does he refer to the 9/11 hijackers?

    What I think he is postulating is that some extremist elements are born out of a populations inability to rise out of poverty or ignorance. The most susceptible being children living in poverty stricken areas. Did you know that affluent areas in Pakistan where several other schooling options exist, less than 1 percent of all enrolled children go to madrassas? In settlements where there are no other schooling options, the fraction of children going to madrassas increases and is higher among the poor compared to the rich (although it stays below 4 percent for all income groups). Madrassas vary in their religious education but it is common knowledge that these schools do incorporate a more extreme radical militant view.

  9. 9 Sept 01

    Dead Rabbits memory of 9/11. Nothing profound, unique or exciting. But this story will be passed down for generations in my family.

    Dead Rabbit had just finished a trip to New York that weekend. Bought a Starbucks on a Credit Card at the WTC on Sunday. By Tuesday I couldn’t believe my eyes, as I watched the second plane hit live on TV. .

    My buddy (the son of a mechanic who is now a multi-millionaire) flew me back to NYC on October 11 to help move him from his apartment which was now condemned because of the attack (He lived in Battery Park). His wife had watched the people rain down from the WTC. She is such a ditz that I think she never was effected by those sights and sounds, but what do I know.

    My brother and I were issued a “back stage pass” to Ground Zero. I remember secretly feeling guilty for being giddy to see the carnage. While the back ground looked surreal, like someone placed me in a video game, the smell was something I will never forget.

    There were hundreds of people wandering around with the saddest faces I have ever seen. We sat on my buddy’s balcony and watched an American flag drape over a pile of debris that must have contained a dead person.

    While my buddy went to work, we went to Times Square, like all Midwestern cheese dick tourists do. It was deserted. I called my girlfriend (now my wife) from a pay phone in front of the NBC building to say we were ok (even flying back then seemed like some kind of act of courage). Her voice was trembling. “There has been an anthrax attack at the NBC building.” I told her “You are not going to believe this; I’m standing in front of the building, looking at it.”

    Freaked out, unaware of what the extent of an anthrax attack was and now realizing why there were hardly anyone walking Broadway, we ducked into a titty bar where we ultimately would disappoint my buddy because we were to drunk to help him move that evening.

  10. “What I think he is postulating is that some extremist elements are born out of a populations inability to rise out of poverty or ignorance.” Curator

    No way man. While poverty in Islamic lands certainly plays a role, what you say is not postulating. In fact, it’s an over simplified analysis. One that, if you followed it through, would ultimately lead you down a wrong path.

    The hijackers were the sons of a doctors. Upper middle class, almost all of them. The organization is headed by a dude from one of the richest families in the world. Wahhabism reigns supreme in a rich country; Saudi Arabia.

    Where do you think the money for those madrases comes from?

    An economic thesis just doesn’t remotely cut it. Obama tried to apply the great yawner of poverty to the phenomenon of jihadism, as you are. As all liberals do for all problems. And, it just doesn’t add up, man.

    The legacy of European Imperialism, the religion of Islam itself, bored people with oil money, poor people, history of a once great Caliphate; now we’re talking.

    Obama’s take on 9/11 was “sensico” like in it’s depth.

  11. DR,

    You are absolutely correct. Terrorism has nothing to do with poverty. People like Currator like to paint as such so they feel guilty for “impoverishing” these poor “misunderstanders of islam”.

    You did forget that islamic imperialism did indeed come centuries before European Imperialism.

  12. The money comes from the governments. Instead of building new schools they are persuaded to pour money into madrases to further the religious education of the public. I have never read anywhere that they were “sons of a doctors” or come from “upper middle class”.

    The pilot of the first plane to hit the World Trade Center, Atta, came from “an ambitious, not overtly religious middle-class household in Egypt” and had led “a sheltered life”.

    The pilot of the second plane, Marwan al-Shehhi, was an amiable, “laid-back” fellow from the United Arab Emirates who had joined the UAE army and which payed [its scholarship] students monthly stipends of about $2,000 which in turn enabled him to go to Hamburg.

    The Saudi pilot who flew American Airlines flight 77 into the Pentagon, “had lived in the United States off and on throughout the 1990s, mostly in Arizona. Hanjour was the fourth of seven children, born to a food-supply businessman in Ta’if, Saudi Arabia.

    As for Ziad Jarrah, the pilot of the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania, he was “the handsome middle child and only son of an industrious, middle-class family in Beirut,” a “secular Muslim” family that “was easygoing — the men drank whiskey and the women wore short skirts about town and bikinis at the beach.”

    Most of the muscle hijackers were from underdeveloped area, and shared the same tribal affiliation. Some had fathers who were grocers, one had a father who was a cleric at the mosque. I have yet to read that any were son’s of doctors.

    Poverty is not the single root cause of extreme militant Islam and liberals nor Obama, AFAIK ever claim it to be, however a Hamas leader in Gaza once said, “It is enough to see the poverty-stricken outskirts of Algiers or the refugee camps in Gaza to understand the factors that nurture the strength of the Islamic Resistance Movement.” I tend to share a modicum of agreement here. Militant Islamic organizations offer a wide range of assistance to underprivileged people. This is how they attract people. They build the madrases and force the government to fund them. Poverty is just one of the symptoms of a disease that infest the Middle East. There are many Islamic experts and former Middle Eastern politicians who say as long as there exist inequality, injustice, and repressive political systems, then radical fundamentalist tendencies will grow. It is not just the Middle east who thinks this either as western politicians also find the argument compelling. President Bill Clinton said, “These forces of reaction feed on disillusionment, poverty and despair”, and he advocates a socioeconomic remedy: “spread prosperity and security to all.” George Bush would add Democracy to that mix in an attempt to advocates a socioeconomic remedy. Wouldn’t you agree?

  13. Hey, what’s up with Rutherford, he’s hardly here anymore…except to write a post obviously. The wonders of seeing Elric constantly link pimp is something R must miss. Anyways, I’m just commenting to keep up with the convo on “My Comments” lol toodles 🙂

  14. “The money comes from the governments”-Curator

    I haven’t done my research. But the Dead Rabbit would bet you that the majority of money that flows to the Wahhabi madrases is NOT government money. Repeat. NOT government money.

    A massive amount of this cash is coming from very affluent Arabs and “charity” outfits. Some of it from my hometown.

    There are poor people everywhere. Following your logic, why don’t we see a world wide terrorist campaign running on the fumes of religious fanaticism out of Nepal? Why do we not see a Tibetan Buddhist campaign of bombings throughout the airports of Asia?

    Your theory applies well to narco-terrorism. Not for jihad-ism.

    Except for Iran, and maybe Pakistan during the Cold War, what governments are funding Wahhabi madrases?

    Certainly not Egypt. They have been head hunting the Islamic Brotherhood since the British left.

    I would go far as to say that Hezbollah isn’t really a function of the madrases and should be analyzed as a unique entity.

    So goes the same for the strange brew of nationalism and Islamic radicalism that is Hamas. In this case other governments do play a significant financial role but they are dissimilar from the world jihad-ist movement of Al Queda. Simply put, they didn’t attack the Pentagon.

    Look at Syria: A country where a heretical Ismaili family lords over a population that is 73% Sunni. Do you really think the Wahhabi movement looks attractive to Assad?

    We may be simply talking apples and oranges here. I’m referring only to Al Queda. If you are too, then you are contradicting yourself. On the one hand you quote Clinton’s assertion that the defiance of despotism as one of the root causes of Al Queda, on the other hand you claim the Al Queda inspired madrases to be propped up by these same governments.

    Your world poverty theory just doesn’t cut the mustard in explaining the Wahhabi movement.

    For shit’s sake, the movement has even attracted middle class, lily white Americans and cockney accented East End pub rats.

    Last time I checked, nobody from Long Island has joined the Holy Spirit Movement of Alice Auma out of Uganda.

  15. How about “Another Fine Moment for Conservatives”

    I just got done reading what happened to Michael Smerconish a popular conservative talk show host who runs a nationally syndicated radio show out of Philadelphia. He had phone trouble with his carrier Verizon and during his recent vacation gave them a call to get it straighten out. We poick it up when he was connected with someone called Annie Read the rest:

    http://www.philly.com/dailynews/opinion/20090903_Michael_Smerconish__1-800-Political-Venom.html

    I called Verizon and was connected to “Annie” (not her real name).

    She asked what number I was calling about, and I offered one of several that might get her to my account. She told me that line had been disconnected (even though I’d just used it) – and that it had last been called by “Obama for America,” cavalierly sharing her access to far too much information.

    Too bad she didn’t let it go at that. “He’s not for America,” she volunteered. “Excuse me?” I said. She repeated herself, then casually told me the president “is a communist,” a “Marxist-Leninist.”

    Of course, I’m no stranger to discussing politics by phone. I make a living fielding calls and debating the issues with my listeners. But I didn’t field this call; I made it. And having initiated it, I couldn’t exercise the radio host’s prerogative and hang up on myself.

    Even worse, I didn’t make the call to talk politics. I just wanted to get my phone fixed. I’d done nothing to invite Annie’s diatribe, yet she was insistent that I listen to her robotic regurgitation of the talking-points she’d likely absorbed hours earlier.

    I TOLD HER I found her comments inappropriate (if not outright offensive). But she didn’t let up. She proceeded to tell me that the president’s parents and individuals in his administration were also communists.

    So convinced of the righteousness of her beliefs, Annie was ready to espouse them to anybody who called. It was as if she fancied herself a talk-show host ready to do battle with her callers – even though her audience was simply those people whose phone lines needed Verizon’s attention.

    This is the sorry state of political discourse in America today. Annie was so certain of the opinions that someone else had told her that she was ready to regurgitate them to any hapless caller, the brazen audacity that transformed so many town-hall meetings into shouting matches.

    I told Annie she should save her views for after hours and concentrate on my phone. When she persisted, I told her I wanted her last name, and the names of her supervisors. She initially demurred on supplying her own name, but readily offered two names – one male, one female.

    When I asked to be connected to the woman, she said she was off. When I requested the man, our connection ended.

    By then, the kids were dressed for the kayaks, and the last thing I wanted to do was get into a squabble about politics while on vacation, much less wait on hold to recount what had just happened.

    But there was no way I was letting this pass. So I called the same 800 number, and tracked down her male supervisor. He heard me out but seemed more intent on telling me to calm down than getting my name or phone number. I demanded he take both. He promised to look into the situation.

    That day on the Delaware, I told my sons what had happened. I explained that I complained to Verizon just as I would have if an operator had volunteered that George W. Bush lied about Iraq, or offered some equally reprehensible view from another political extreme.

    And I explained that I viewed this as more than just an aberrant woman in a company call center.

    As we paddled, and I recalled our conversation, what stood out was not only the outlandish charges against the president, but the ease with which she recited them. To a stranger. And while on someone else’s dime.

    It was as if the mention of the president’s name – which she herself brought up after accessing my billing records – had pushed a button that caused her to spin out of control.

    And the manner in which she stated her views told me she was someone who viewed her own disparagement of our nation’s leader as some kind of a badge of patriotism.

    Well, Annie, you’re no Tom Paine. Nor is there a war being fought for independence.

    And if the venom being spewed against the president isn’t reined in soon, I fear your mind-set will give aid and encouragement to some sicko who thinks it’s his place to protect the republic through the barrel of a gun.

    Just before the business day ended, my cell phone rang. It was some big mahoff in Verizon’s Pittsburgh call center. He wanted to apologize on behalf of the company.

    I told him I appreciated the call, had no ill will toward Verizon, and that I hoped the call had been recorded “for training purposes” and would indeed be used for that.

    I suspect that when Annie is confronted with my complaint, she won’t hedge, but will readily admit her behavior because she believes she is fighting for some principle higher than her job.

    I conveyed my suspicions to the mahoff.

    His chuckle told me I was correct.

    We are truly in a sorry state. Can you hear me now, Annie?

    Stay classy Conservatives.

  16. “The money comes from the governments”-Curator

    I haven’t done my research. But the Dead Rabbit would bet you that the majority of money that flows to the Wahhabi madrases is NOT government money. Repeat. NOT government money.

    A massive amount of this cash is coming from very affluent Arabs and “charity” outfits. Some of it from my hometown.

    There are poor people everywhere. Following your logic, why don’t we see a world wide terrorist campaign running on the fumes of religious fanaticism out of Nepal? Why do we not see a Tibetan Buddhist campaign of bombings throughout the airports of Asia?

    Your theory applies well to narco-terrorism. Not for jihad-ism.

    Except for Iran, and maybe Pakistan during the Cold War, what governments are funding Wahhabi madrases?

    Certainly not Egypt. They have been head hunting the Islamic Brotherhood since the British left.

    I would go far as to say that Hezbollah isn’t really a function of the madrases and should be analyzed as a unique entity.

    So goes the same for the strange brew of nationalism and Islamic radicalism that is Hamas. In this case other governments do play a significant financial role but they are dissimilar from the world jihad-ist movement of Al Queda. Simply put, they didn’t attack the Pentagon.

    Look at Syria: A country where a heretical Ismaili family lords over a population that is 73% Sunni. Do you really think the Wahhabi movement looks attractive to Assad?

    We may be simply talking apples and oranges here. I’m referring only to Al Queda. If you are too, then you are contradicting yourself. On the one hand you quote Clinton’s assertion that the defiance of despotism as one of the root causes of Al Queda, on the other hand you claim the Al Queda inspired madrases to be propped up by these same governments.

    Your world poverty theory just doesn’t cut the mustard in explaining the Wahhabi movement.

    For shit’s sake, the movement has even attracted middle class, lily white Americans and cockney accented East End pub rats.

    Last time I checked, nobody from Long Island has joined the Holy Spirit Movement of Alice Auma out of Uganda.

  17. Curator,

    Come on dude. The chick who works at Verizon? I usually am at least remotely interested in your comments, but that was 1 minute of my life I will never get back.

    I think I once had phone sex a long time ago with the chick who works for Discover.
    _________________________________________________
    Um….this one guy, who worked at Quizno’s Sub Shop, said that Bush was behind the 9/11.

    And, last year, when I was getting my oil changed, the guy told me that Republicans are made of neo-Confederates.

    And then this one time…at band camp…

    lame

  18. Dude, what are you referring to? I wasn’t even serious in comment #28. and Denseico? really? at least spell it Densico next time lol but either one is pretty lame, you should be more creative next time 😛

  19. OMG….But Obama’s socialist agenda was supposed to ruin the country and lead us all to DOOOOOOOOOOM!

    – July sales rose by the largest amount in more than a year, sparking hope for better days ahead.

    – Economists expect that some modest restocking triggered by the higher sales helped boost the economy out of recession in the current quarter.

    – Sales at the wholesale level rose 0.5 percent in July, the fourth consecutive increase and the biggest gain since a 2 percent jump in June 2008.

    – Jennifer Lee, an economist at BMO Capital Markets, said the rebound in sales was encouraging and should help convince businesses to restock their shelves and back lots. That swing in inventories should play a major factor in boosting the economy out of a recession in the current quarter.

    – The overall economy, as measured by the gross domestic product, will grow at a 3.8 percent annual rate in the current July-September period, Lee forecast.

    – The Dow Jones Industrial Average YTD change is 9.54%

    THE HORROR!!!!!!

    PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SOMEBODY STOP THIS MAN!!!

    (sarcasm off)

  20. Dangerous game Curator. If I were you I would back way off of tying Obama to the short run. Particularity a few economic stats from the month of July.

    We’re in for more unemployment, more misery. And the porkulus has gone down EXACTLY like we said it would. Where’s the work? Where is the money? Do you think we’ve spent 11% of it yet? And on what? Can it even be called a stimulus at this point?

    An interesting but nonsensical stat: Do you think the unemployment rate in October will be higher then the percentage of the money spent from the Stimulus?

    Sure, a worthless correlation, but do you think it will?

  21. sensico, will you stop sending me private emails about phone sex. I was just joking and It aint going to happen. You aren’t articulate enough to provide any vivid imagery.

  22. “Byron York of the Washington Examiner dug back to 1991 to discover that, when George H.W. Bush went to Alice Deal Junior High to speak to America’s school kids, the left lost it.

    “The White House turned a Northwest Washington junior high classroom into a television studio and its students into props,” railed the Washington Post. Education Secretary Lamar Alexander was called before a House committee. The National Education Association denounced Bush. And Congress ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate.”
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    Ahhh. …Rutherford…so enamored with man flesh. So defensive of his deity. Beside himself with anger. So alone. The experience of this current President so unique.

  23. In July I drove to the finger lakes region of New York for a two week camping trip. I passed four bridge repair and 3 highway construction sites (huge 30 mile stretches of cone zones) on major interstates and highways. Each one had a sign posted stating Funded by the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009.

  24. Ripped from the Rude Pundit who I think already debunked this meme.

    Twenty years ago, in his first year as President, George Bush the Smarter gave a speech broadcast live to schools around the nation. The September 12, 1989, talk was done with less than a day’s advanced warning, but a good many schools stopped everything to put televisions into classrooms and hold assemblies to watch. In the speech, Bush sought to scare the living fuck out of kids about drugs. After telling the story of a cop who was blown away at point blank range, killed on the orders of a drug kingpin, cold and calculated,” Bush offered, “[O]ut on the street a nightmare for America is happening, every day, every night. Somewhere a teenaged girl who ought to be in school is giving birth to a baby already addicted to cocaine, and that baby is coming into this world shaking and twitching from withdrawal, so sensitive to the touch that it can’t be held or fed properly.” He informed the now-terrified students that “Saying no won’t make you a nerd,” asked them to narc on friends, quoted Michael Jordan, and concluded with “Have a good year.”

    The backdrop of the speech was that Bush was trying to get Congress to pass a tough and useless anti-drug program that included lots more prisons, prosecutors and other things that don’t really work. Democrats wanted to add more drug treatment and prevention measures to the bill. Bush had already spoken to the nation on September 5 about drugs, even getting the DEA to set up a crack sting near the White House just for a visual and a story in that address.

    So, in other words, in 1989, President Bush spoke to students with the blatantly political goal of getting his harsh new drug laws passed in order to demonstrate, again, how tough he was. And the outrage from the left? Well, some of the kids thought the whole thing was worthless and/or bullshit. Some liked it. Otherwise, not a damn peep from anyone, not even on the good liberal McNeil/Lehrer Newshour.

  25. I’m now convinced Obama’s $900 billion for health care reform is ad hoc as all hell. Made up. Poof. Otherwise known as a lie.

    Someone prove me wrong. I’ll give 9 bucks to anyone that gives me 9 ways that this thing will cost 9 billion.

    Don’t go to the white-house and ask the very man making the claim. They gots nothing. nada. not one detail.

    saying that they are going to cut abuse and waste in medicaid is like saying I’m going to fix the crime problem in Flint by hatching 10 million monarch butterflies from my ass. Meaningless babble.

    We were promised details in that speech.

    Same old -same old.

  26. Curator,

    Yeah…I can see your point on the Bush speech to the youngins.

    America was paranoid about the school speech with Obama.

    That being said, I don’t blame America for being paranoid. Sick of government and their constant manipulation. Bush told us the Wall-street bailout was needed instantly. Didn’t go down that way. Obama told us the stimulus was need by the end of the weekend or it would be Armageddon. Didn’t go down that way.

    Obama is constantly in our face, bull shitting us.

    We keep getting hoodwinked. My brother’s buddy at work isn’t even an American citizen and I just found out he got 8 grand from Uncle Sam to buy a house.

    I just paid my neighbor 4,500 for another vehicle he can’t afford.

    You reap what you sow. We’re fucking sick of it, man.

    Get away from us. Stop crying wolf every time you want to steal from our kids. Hell with it, just steal and spare us all small talk.

  27. Curator,

    The fact you saw road work is about as lame as the retelling of the fable about the Version weirdo.

    11% of the money has been spent. Even Biden admits this is unacceptable.

    You’re happy with the results of the stimulus? You think the government has met it’s side of the bargain?

    Fuck the stimulus. After all, the economy is ready to roar according to you. Lets give it back to ourselves.

  28. I hate to fall into stereotypes but Curators # 21. Nothing against C on this but it seems fishy.
    #1 a Verizon employee against the O ? I find it kind of weird a presumed member of the CWA being so anti O.
    #2 somebody so willing to cough up info like that.
    #3 The article is written by someone that endorsed O.
    Seems very Mike Barnicle to me.

  29. OMG! Rabbit, stop trying to ruin my good girl image.
    Elric, please don’t lump me in with Code Pink, I don’t even like that group. That’s just as bad as being lumped with Micheal Moore, though I’m grateful he read my blog once but still I don’t fully agree with him, or maybe I just don’t understand him, IDK.
    All Code Pink does is wait til the good part of a speech and jump up and yell “blahabnankdieoei” (Inaudible stuff). Funny how townhall protesters and Joe Wilson have adopted their annoying tactics. Nothing but a bunch of followers is what the GOP is now.

    And what do you mean Rabbit, “America was paranoid” by obama’s school speech. Only a small portion of America was angry over the speech. While your fringe lunatic friends were busy crying of a stay in school speech the majority of America either thought it was a good idea or didn’t care. It’s only the far right of the GOP that has become the a clusterFK of paranoid idiots

  30. CNSNews.com
    Obama’s Speech Prompts Ten Questions from Republicans
    Friday, September 11, 2009
    By House Republican Conference

    The questions – and the words that prompted them – appear here verbatim:

    President Barack Obama: “Our collective failure to meet this challenge – year after year, decade after decade – has led us to the breaking point.”
    Common Sense Question: If we are at the “breaking point,” then why doesn’t your government-run insurance plan start until 2013?

    President Barack Obama: “There are now 30 million American citizens who cannot get coverage.”
    Common Sense Question: On August 20, you said 46 million Americans were uninsured. What happened to 16 million Americans?

    President Barack Obama: “And every day, 14,000 Americans lose their coverage.”
    Common Sense Question: Does that mean 15 million Americans will lose their health care before your government plan starts in 2013?

    President Barack Obama: “We spend one and a half times more per person on health care than any other country, but we aren’t any healthier for it.”
    Common Sense Question: Then why do people travel from around the world to receive health care in the United States?

    President Barack Obama: “Put simply, our health care problem is our deficit problem. Nothing else even comes close.”
    Common Sense Question: Didn’t the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office say that the health care plan you have endorsed will add $239 billion to our annual deficits over the next ten years?

    President Barack Obama: “Reducing the waste and inefficiency in Medicare and Medicaid will pay for most of this plan.”
    Common Sense Question: If we can pay for “most” of health care reform by controlling waste and inefficiency, then why does a $900 billion health care plan include $820 billion in tax increases?

    President Barack Obama: “…no federal dollars will be used to fund abortion.”
    Common Sense Question: Do you object to House Democrats defeating an amendment in the House Energy and Commerce Committee markup that would have explicitly prohibited federal funding of abortion under a government-run health care plan?

    President Barack Obama: “I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits – either now or in the future.”
    Common Sense Question: Do you oppose the House Democrat health care plan, H.R. 3200, which the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office said will add $239 billion to our annual deficits over the next ten years and “would probably generate substantial increases in federal budget deficits” thereafter? If so, which Democrat plan are you going to support?

    President Barack Obama: “Reducing the waste and inefficiency in Medicare and Medicaid will pay for most of this plan…the plan I’m proposing will cost around $900 billion over the next 10 years…”
    Common Sense Question: If there is so much “waste and inefficiency” in Medicare and Medicaid – two government-run health care plans – then won’t further government involvement in health care lead to further “waste and inefficiency”?

    President Barack Obama: “And I will continue to seek common ground in the weeks ahead. If you come to me with a serious set of proposals, I will be there to listen.”
    Common Sense Question: Will you agree to meet with House Republican leaders to discuss health care reform, as they requested almost four months ago?

  31. “I don’t know for sure but I’m pretty sure monarchs migrate to their birthplace for reproduction. Be careful what you wish for”-Alfie

    lol,,,,that cracked me up

  32. Who wants to bet Curator thought the Big Dig a great investment and Medicare a raging success? Guess he hasn’t noticed that real unemployment now sixteen percent, the August deficit 1.38 Trillion, the dollar at a new yearly low, and hyperinflation on the horizon. Oh, and side note – insider trading way on the sell side. Wonder what they know we don’t? 👿

    Hey Curator. You a betting man? How about we place a bet on the economy about his time, next year after the stimulus has run its course? You say up; I say down. Want to lay some cash on the side?

    Easy money for you…

  33. Rutherford, Obama said, only a dozen months ago or so, that the way to universal coverage is the public option.

    So what? The public option is not a government takeover of health care, It’s this same silly accusation of socialism. Health care delivery is done by doctors and will always be done by doctors who are not employed or managed by the government. How people get reimbursed for their health care expenses does not involve a gov take over of health care. Even if we went single payer (which the public option is NOT), it would not be a gov takeover of health care.

    My guess and it is only a guess, is that including illegals in the number of uninsured was the White House’s dumbass way of inflating the number for dramatic effect. The fact is the bill says we will not extend health care insurance to illegals. Plain and simple. Joe Wilson is a liar when he says otherwise.

  34. Has President Obama been a long time supporter of a universal, single-payer system? Yes or No. Yes

    Has the Congressional Budget Office claimed that HR 3200 will add over $200 billion to the deficit? Yes or No Haven’t fact checked the specific number but I know CBO ain’t happy so … Yes

    Is SS, Medicare, and Medicaid are already trillions of dollars in the red? Yes or No Yes

    Do you really think the president has a plan to save billions of dollars by eliminating waste and abuse in Medicare and Medicaid? Yes or No Whether he has a plan or not, I did find Joe Scarborough, a former Representative, convincing when he said that politicians always point to “eliminating waste and abuse” when they don’t have specifics. So the short answer is I don’t know how Obama will get a bill that won’t “add one dime” to the deficit.

    And now, I ask you … so what? This post was not about asking civil and reasonable questions concerning this legislation. This post was about the dangerous climate in which the legitimacy of this President is being repeatedly challenged. Mr Wilson did not say “you lie” about any of the issues you suggested Rabbit. He said “you lie” about an issue about which the Pres was telling the truth and he said it in the wrong place at the wrong time. End of story,

  35. Rutherford said: “Indeed the Republican party has graduated from the Party of No to the Party of Stupid.”

    Sadly, those on the stupid end of the party will continue to show up at tea parties and continue to spew disinformation and – because stupid does not recognize stupid – they will somehow come to the conclusion that they are the smart ones and they are the majority…..

    I just hope that from now on the Democrats just start ignoring them – which is what they should have done from the start….

    — hippieprof

  36. Liar

    I take your “liar” and raise you one idiot. Before Mr. Wilson opened his yap, the folks in the chamber rumbled and out right laughed at some of Obama’s assertions. Completely analogous to the “boos” you cite …. and I didn’t gripe about that one bit. That is not the same as yelling out “liar”. If you can’t see the difference, you’re more tone deaf than I thought.

  37. I’ll be back later to read your guess.

    I haven’t the foggiest (hold on, let me see if Goggle can help … I’m sure it is one of the conservative blacks you’ve quoted before …. ehhhhh Thomas Sowell … nah don’t remember your quoting him before … guess you’ve added him to your list of “he’s black so he must be for real, unlike Al Sharpton” crew).

    Tex, even Wilson himself has not stated that his “liar” outburst referred to all the things Sowell writes about. The fact is the bill does not extend insurance to illegals … Wilson is either mistaken or himself a liar.

    And this was not just any old “public gathering”. It was a joint session of Congress. Wilson violated established congressional protocol and as a member of the National Guard was insubordinate to the Commander-in-Chief.

    Don’t sacrifice your last shred of credibility defending this ass-wipe.

  38. anybody remember the cast of hundreds of prim and proper Dims singing to George Bush as he was leaving the White House lawn in January:

    I called that out in this very blog as a shameful moment for our country. The hecklers at the inauguration mortified me and I said so at the time.

    But may I remind you that the folks heckling that day were ordinary idiots like you and me, not elected officials for whom a higher standard exists.

    Keep defending Joe, Tex … just shows how low your hatred of liberals has sunk you,

  39. Just imagine if Thuggy the Marine killer was treated with the same respect Bush was.

    OK Elric, I’ve let “thuggy” ride for a couple of months now … freedom of speech and all, even dumb speech… but the “marine killer” BS is starting to get on my nerves.

    Your dumbass reckless rhetoric contributes to our problems. It’s the very thing I’m writing about in this article.

    Stick to “thuggy” or you might find yourself banned. Stupid season is getting old.

  40. Byron York of the Washington Examiner dug back to 1991

    Byron is a real genius,

    As I said elsewhere, Bush 41 got heat because he was accused of using the kids as props to firm up his piss poor record on education. He was not accused of indoctrinating anyone nor was there any conversation before the fact that kids needed to stay at home to be protected from his message. All the heat came after he spoke and again, for different reasons from the current phenom. Apples and oranges.

    With that said, the Dem’s in ’91 were stupid to make a big deal out of it. Still does not set any precedent for the disgusting reaction to Obama’s school address,

    Don’t defend idiocy Rabbit … you’re way too smart for that.

  41. Rabbit, as disappointed as Biden may be, the fact remains that the stim money was never meant to be spent all at once. As for painting an overly rosy picture, Geithner is on record saying don’t be too happy yet … we have a long way to go.

    I think Washington is doing a good balancing act of celebrating small successes and being realistic about the future.

  42. “This post was not about asking civil and reasonable questions concerning this legislation. This post was about the dangerous climate in which the legitimacy of this President is being repeatedly challenged”-R

    Don’t you see that the constant lack of answers to civil and reasonable questions is exactly what is creating the so called dangerous climate in which the legitimacy of this President is being repeatedly challenged?

    The people asking these questions have been slandered and stereotyped by you and your friends since day one.

    Just look at that what hippieprof just wrote. He wants us ignored!

    After the total bull shit in which the biggest government spending program of all time was rushed over a weekend and passed unread by Congress.

    After a bail out for the same very bastards who screwed us in the first place was rushed and passed unread by Congress.

    Half your posts attempt at nothing but vilifying the people who ask these questions by attempting to smear them with the foolish behavior of individuals.

    For God’s sake, Curator wrote about the lady working at Version with this aim.

    Wilson, the chick at Verizon, some black weirdo with an assault rifle, Sara Palin. Blah fucking blah.

    Obama is bull shitting us and the only thing you care about is defending his honor like its the year 1300 and he’s the Holy Roman Emperor.

    Dude, pull your head out of the President’s ass for a minute and you will find it smells even worse in the real world.

    For the love of God, give me one reason to trust Obama.

    I honestly believe he is a liar. Obama lied about the stimulus. Just like Bush lied about the Wall-street bailout.

    I bet you anything that abortion and illegals will end up in whatever cryptic shit passes for a health care bill.
    __________________________________________________
    Your theory about universal, single payer is insane by the way. I’ll save my response to that for another night.

  43. Can’t we post images?

    Off hand Curator, I don’t know how .. just links to them. Vids do get embedded so long as there is no text after the youtube link. Images, I don’t think so. (I’ll research it when I get a chance and let you know if I’m wrong.)

  44. Well Rabbit, maybe the media is to blame? ‘Cos all I hear representing the “opposition” are nutjob extremists like the Verizon lady, Palin, Wilson and in your words “blah blah blah”.

    One of the things I said in this post that I meant sincerely is I would like to see intelligent sounding conservatives make their case and offer solutions.

    Would I see that if watched more Fox News? I doubt it.

  45. OK … I’m caught up on comments now. I apologize for replying to comments in the thread they originally appeared so if you’re at all interested in my response,you will have to hunt around the last three or so of my articles.

    And thanks to Curator for fighting the good fight while I was MIA.

  46. ‘Cos all I hear representing the “opposition” are nutjob extremists like the Verizon lady, Palin, Wilson and in your words “blah blah blah”.

    No is reasonable when you can’t explain how Yes will work.

    No is reasonable when the problem itself is being exaggerated. (Nice touch Mr. Obama, include the illegals as uninsured)

    No is reasonable when less drastic solutions, which have been repeatedly pointed out to you, have not been tried.

    No is reasonable when Yes entails spending a trillion dollars we don’t have.

    No is reasonable when the track record of Nanny is so, so bad.

  47. “Completely analogous to the “boos” you cite …. and I didn’t gripe about that one bit. That is not the same as yelling out “liar”. If you can’t see the difference, you’re more tone deaf than I thought.”

    You know what else is funny? You are mad that he called Thuggy the Marine killer a liar, but never said that Wilson was incorrect. 🙂

  48. “But may I remind you that the folks heckling that day were ordinary idiots like you and me, not elected officials for whom a higher standard exists.”

    We will remember this next time you go off on another rant about Palin.

  49. “OK Elric, I’ve let “thuggy” ride for a couple of months now … freedom of speech and all, even dumb speech… but the “marine killer” BS is starting to get on my nerves.”

    The start complaining about his changing the ROE which are getting our troops killed. Until then he is Thuggy the Marine killer.

  50. “One of the things I said in this post that I meant sincerely is I would like to see intelligent sounding conservatives make their case and offer solutions.”

    Are they allowed to lie like your side?

  51. GANJGAL, Afghanistan We walked into a trap, a killing zone of relentless gunfire and rocket barrages from Afghan insurgents hidden in the mountainsides and in a fortress-like village where women and children were replenishing their ammunition.

    “We will do to you what we did to the Russians,” the insurgent’s leader boasted over the radio, referring to the failure of Soviet troops to capture Ganjgal during the 1979-89 Soviet occupation.

    Dashing from boulder to boulder, diving into trenches and ducking behind stone walls as the insurgents maneuvered to outflank us, we waited more than an hour for U.S. helicopters to arrive, despite earlier assurances that air cover would be five minutes away.

    U.S. commanders, citing new rules to avoid civilian casualties, rejected repeated calls to unleash artillery rounds at attackers dug into the slopes and tree lines despite being told repeatedly that they weren’t near the village.

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/75036.html

    Like I said

  52. Tort reform? Try tort expansion
    posted at 5:59 pm on September 11, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

    Barack Obama offered this wan “olich branch” to Republicans during his health-care overhaul speech to the joint session of Congress on Wednesday. After spending most of the speech deriding his opposition, Obama finally got to the subject of tort reform, which the White House had promised Obama would pursue in his speech to get Republicans on board. Here is how enthusiastic Obama was for the idea:

    First, there are already plenty of studies showing that malpractice abuse comprises anywhere between 2% and 10% of all medical costs today. For a $2 trillion a year industry, even the low end would mean $40 billion a year in cost savings, and $400 billion over the ten-year period that Obama uses as his scale. That’s five times what Obama got the pharmaceuticals to concede in order to bring ObamaCare’s costs down, in comparison. The question here should be why the pharmaceuticals had to knuckle under to the White House while the trial lawyers get off scot-free.

    Why Dodger why?

  53. Lawson,

    I’ve offered solutions before and you don’t bother to reply, which reminds me of when Republicans have offered solutions and Dims and the media ignore. Curator doesn’t completely ignore – he continues to comment without directly answering questions. Both are equally as worthless in approach, so I have decided to keep this very simple for the libs.

    If the very first commandment is not tort reform and limitations in liability, then Bomba’s proposals aren’t worth the paper they are written on. Because without fear of practice, medical costs will not go down, defensive medicine will continue to be practiced, and doctors will keep dropping out with states unable to afford training to replace.

    Now, when you and Curator can convince the lackeys of the amoral leftists in the party to quit stealing from all of society by way of malpractice from your corrupt bottom feeders that run your party, then I think we might be able to find a little common ground. Otherwise, this is a waste of time.

    Obama is a liar and Thomas Sowell, who you are going to have a really hard time calling racist because he’s ten times as black as you, is absolutely correct in calling Obama on his chutzpah. It is an insult to all of us to think Obama’s current proposals won’t increase costs substantially and bankrupt health care.

  54. Tex,

    Dodger is a liar as well. Republicans have offered alternatives but Thuggy hasnt listened and neither has Dodger. But then, the Republicans have been shut out since April.

    You notice as Thuggy’s numbers go down, Dodger is getting more shrill?

  55. Elric,

    You notice as Thuggy’s numbers go down, Dodger is getting more shrill?

    By the day…

    Liberals are not capable of admitting they are wrong. Rutherford has so much of himself invested in the Bomba, that this has now become personal. He is not dealing well with Obama so quickly being knocked off his lofty perch, and being exposed as an empty bag of hot air standing between Greek columns.

    Of their many weaknesses, besides their dismal record of success and nihilistic nature, this is the most common characteristic of liberalism and its members.

  56. US accepts Iran talks offer, Iran hints at nuclear negotiations
    posted at 9:33 am on September 12, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

    Last night, the media reported that the US had accepted an offer of direct talks with Iran for the first time without preconditions. The timing could not have been worse, since people across America had spent the day commemorating the deaths of 3,000 of their countrymen at the hands of the kind of radical Islamists that run Iran. Was the administration hoping to bury this in a Friday-afternoon document dump?

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/12/us-accepts-iran-talks-offer-iran-hints-at-nuclear-negotiations/

    Doesnt matter, Israel will do Thuggy’s job for him.

  57. Elric,

    I’ve told Rutherford for all his supposed brilliance, how little he understands that vast part of the country 50 miles off both coasts. I mean, Rutherford Lawson is absolutely clueless.

    And since he’s been spoon fed from a young age of his NE superiority, never mind that many of their own neighborhoods look like 3rd world countries, they live on top of each other at inflated prices to be close to polluted harbors, they don’t know their own neighbors, and when taken as a whole, they are the most unfriendly people on earth, he’ll believe that to his dying day.

    Rutherford needs some Greek columns to stand between so that he can dream of a better day. 😉

  58. Tex,

    This is why I call him a drone. He never questions what his party is doing. We, on the otherhand, will question our leaders. Bush got a lot of flack from Conservatives. In fact, it was conservatives that helped Thuggy get elected by staying home.

    And you are correct, Dodger rather sit up in his NE ivory tower and call anyone who opposes Thuggy as racists. I have plenty of issues with Thuggy and not one has to do with race. His side playing the race card, that I do have an issue with.

  59. “Elric, the day your Facebook page gets read by millions and quoted on the evening news, then you can tell me Sarah Palin is just an ordinary private citizen.”

    Is she a private citizen or not? Is that too difficult for your drone mind?

  60. Obama Announces After-Hours Friday He Will Bow to Both Iran and North Korea’s Demands….

    In a move late Friday, the White House announced two key decisions that have a broad impact and represent a weakening shift within US foreign policy. In consecutive announcements the White House agreed to meet North Korean demands that the US diplomats negotiate with North Korea on a nation-to-nation basis without the presence of the other members of the six-party talks.

    In addition the State Department also accepted Iranian demands that the United States and a contingency of 5 European nations hold diplomatic negotiations upon a wide range of topics that will not include the dismantling of Iran’s nuclear program. In return for accepting both North Korean and Iranian demands the United States required no good faith gesture on the part of either country.

    In North Korea, the one-on-one talks will represent the first time the US has directly and extensively negotiated with Pyongyang on a one-on-one basis since the Clinton Administration concluded talks in which North Korea in which the country agreed to abandon their nuclear program. As a result, North Korea received billions in aid and abrogated the agreement by further developing their nuclear program. In recent months, North Korea has tested the Obama administration with multiple tests of a rapidly evolving long range missile program and in recent weeks announced their progress towards using enriched uranium as a 2nd method for producing nuclear weapons.

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/09/obama-announces-afterhours-friday-he-will-bow-to-both-iran-and-north-koreas-demands.html

    Bonus points. Thuggy said no to our missile shield. He really really hates this country.

  61. Republicans have offered alternatives but Thuggy hasnt listened

    It is a fact that a substantial number of Republican amendments have been put into the bill. The big joke is no matter how much the Repubs are accommodated they will ultimately vote the bill down because they want Obama to fail. They are not interested in what is best for this country. It is pure, unadulterated, divisive politics.

  62. that this has now become personal

    Damn right. When a Son of Confederate Soldiers (or whatever the KKK-like organization calls itself) member personally attacks my President on national TV in a forum not meant for any kind of attack much less personal, I take it personally.

    Have I gotten more shrill? Fuc*in-A I have. Arguing policy is one thing but recent events have been obvious attempts to demonstrate that this President is not worthy of even the minimum of respect. If it were just a crackpot or two, I wouldn’t sweat it, but the GOP is endorsing this mind set. As long as the GOP personally insults this President, I will take it personally and I will bitch as loud as I can.

  63. “The big joke is no matter how much the Repubs are accommodated they will ultimately vote the bill down because they want Obama to fail. They are not interested in what is best for this country. It is pure, unadulterated, divisive politics.”

    The big joke is you. You ask for ideas but then shoot down the ideas because you claim no matter how many ideas are accommodated, the Republicans will vote it down. You, my drone, are the divisive one.

  64. “what is left is a bunch of backwoods, south-will-rise-again, would be secessionists.”

    Like I said Tex……..SHRILL

    Refute the statement WZ Pimp. You can’t. Count the number of Repub representatives from the northeast. Do it.

  65. Is she a private citizen or not?

    LOL once again you are incapable of nuance. Yes, she is a private citizen the same way Oprah is a private citizen.

    Even a computer capable of only Boolean logic has more nuance than you.

  66. “Refute the statement WZ Pimp. You can’t. Count the number of Repub representatives from the northeast. Do it.”

    Is a WZ pimp like a Thuggy supported ACORN pimp?

    Now if you are talking about Republicans in the NE, no their isnt that many. Im calling you shrill because of your bigoted statement jackass.

  67. Elric,

    Minnesota?

    Another state of moral relativists for the most part – who else would collective nominate some maggot like The Body or Al Franken as leaders? Jesse is reprehensible – Al Franken, a joke.

    Mark my words – won’t be too awfully long before Minnesota will be going downhill. It’s a given.

  68. “Well Tex, where Minnesota is concerned, you’ve always got Michele Bachmann to count on …”

    Dont you mean tax cheat Stuart Smalley? Oh right, libs are allowed to cheat on taxes. They even get nominated by a POS to run the IRS.

  69. Tex,

    I was referring to all the muslims in Minnesotastan going to Somalia for jihad. Not just the Somali immigrants. Now we have some dumbass white punk who converted and went there to die. Good riddance but still alarming how many are headed over there. But then it is a multicultural cesspool.

  70. “They even get nominated by a POS to run the IRS.”

    I’m not sure I will ever be able to get over that one. lol. You would think the one thing that would disqualify you from running the IRS is cheating on your taxes for thousands of dollars. Amazing world we live in.

  71. “Amazing world we live in.”

    Thats the leftist world for you. Gets even more ludicrous when Biden said the highest form of patriotism is paying taxes.

    And Dodger wonders why the real American people are pissed off.

  72. “Thats the leftist world for you. Gets even more ludicrous when Biden said the highest form of patriotism is paying taxes.” Elric

    No, Elric, I have changed my mind. I just don’t understand the “nuances.”

  73. Rutherford,
    You seem concerned that an apology from a Republican who has admitted repeatedly that he made a mistake is false because several GOP leaders were encouraging him to apologize, but ot concerned about all of the non-apologies that Democrats have been giving. “I’m sorry, I was wrong” is not the format for Democrat ‘apologies’.

    In several posts, you have said you hope for intelligence to return to the Republican Party. What you mean is a squishy moderate party that makes McCain look like Limbaugh.

  74. “No, Elric, I have changed my mind. I just don’t understand the “nuances.”

    DR, understanding the “logic” of the leftist is like understanding the insane.

  75. Rutherford,

    Well Tex, where Minnesota is concerned, you’ve always got Michele Bachmann to count on …

    How quaint. I guessed exactly what Lawson the nihilist would retort back with but only got in half right in that I was sure somehow he’d get a Sarah Palin knock in. You and Chen are two peas in a pod. Unfortunately, life took a bad turn for you both under the civil activist for Pres – bad karma, I guess. Buwahahahahahaha… 🙂

    I know it pains you Rutherford that there are women out there who aren’t willing to treat abortion as a sacrament like “Zira” Bomba and Hillary the Pear (who hate each other by the way).

  76. Tex,

    Isnt is funny? I ask whats wrong with Minnesotastan with all these people from there going to Somalia to wage jihad and he brings up Michele Bachmann. What the hell does she have to do with it? No if he brought up Keith Ellison, he may have had a point.

    I tell you, they sure dont teach these drones how to debate at liberal NE schools.

  77. CNN Reporter Drowned Out By Shouts Of ‘Tell The Truth’ And ‘Glenn Beck’ . . .

    CNN’s was busy covering the Wilson (‘You Lie’) story, while standing in the middle of the ‘March On Washington’ crowd.

  78. You seem concerned that an apology from a Republican who has admitted repeatedly that he made a mistake is false because several GOP leaders were encouraging him to apologize

    Yup, you’re right Solar. A coerced apology is no apology at all and what amazes me even more is that Wilson, a politician, didn’t have the brains to at least pretend that he voluntarily apologized. He said very clearly, the republican leadership advised me to apologize and I did. You’ve got to be kidding.

    Wilson is a well meaning ignorant dullard at best. You know full well what he is, at worst.

  79. I bet Dodger is angry over that. Thuggy’s brownshirts wont be able to rig the census.

    Sorry guys but I can’t keep tapped into every aspect of American politics. ACORN has never been on my radar screen and I could care less if they help with the census or not.

    I will say this, pay-per-registration is a business model just begging for abuse. Shame on them for making that the incentive.

  80. “ACORN has never been on my radar screen and I could care less if they help with the census or not.”

    Of course you wouldnt care that an organization as corrupt as ACORN would help with a census. Of course you dont give a damn about any demomarxist corruption.

    “I will say this, pay-per-registration is a business model just begging for abuse. Shame on them for making that the incentive.”

    Well Thuggy did train them and lawyer for them. But who cares? Right?

  81. … and he brings up Michele Bachmann

    Now Elric I know this may surprise you but I don’t actually address all my comments to you.

    The Michele Bachmann crack was directed at Tex who is so depressed about Minnesota’s future. I don’t see why he is so worried. Michele is fighting the good fight, and if Tex is lucky, God may even tell her to run for President! 😉

  82. Although … God better move fast since Michele plans to “slit her wrists” in order to be blood brothers fighting health care reform.

    Again …

    Bwahahahahahahahahaha 😀

  83. “So you actually do care about ACORN being involved in the census.”

    He would only care if George Bush help trained and lawyered for this corrupt thuggish organization. That Thuggy did, he could care less. He has more important things to worry about. You know, like Sarah Palin’s Facebook page. 🙂

  84. “Although … God better move fast since Michele plans to “slit her wrists” in order to be blood brothers fighting health care reform.”

    Whats that have to do with Minnesota being a launching pad for jihad in Somalia? You that obsessed with Bachmann?

  85. Whats that have to do with Minnesota being a launching pad for jihad in Somalia? You that obsessed with Bachmann?

    Wow, I really thought I made it clear the first time. OK, slowly this time …

    I … was… directing….my …. comment. … to … Tex … who …. was …. griping … about … the ….”Body” … and … Al … Franken … neither … of … whom …. have …. anything …. to …. do … with …Jihadists.

    Got it that time … or do I have to go even slower?

    And hey man, why can’t you leave my obsessions alone? First you rag on me for my near fanatic obsession with Sarah “you betcha” Palin and now you’re begrudging me my hate-affair with Michele “census is government plot” Bachmann. Can’t a guy have any fun at all around here?

  86. “Got it that time … or do I have to go even slower?”

    Go slower

    “And hey man, why can’t you leave my obsessions alone?”

    Finally you admit it is an obsession. That is the first important step to recovery.

  87. BTW Did John Murtha ever apologize to the Marines that he accused of being “cold blooded murderers”?

    Well hell no. Instead fatass stole several more million from the tax payers as inducement to buy more votes. Seems we’ve got an airport in Pennsylvania that sits empty (named after the traitor, I think) that is big enough to handle commercial jets, yet has about two flights a day.

    Now, since “Mothra” is a liberal, thieving is to be expected, even applauded by Rutherford. Double kudos for declaring our military guys cold blooded murders. You’ll note that Curator seems to have no problem with Murtha’s comments either. Birds of a feather… 😉

  88. Now, regarding the change in rules of engagement in Afghanistan, I see Elric finds Obama an easy target but doesn’t have the balls to challenge the real architect of the new ROE … namely General Stan McChrystal.

    I don’t want us in Afghanistan in the first place at this point, but if we have to be there then you have to consider what is the best strategy for success. McChrystal seems to think it best not to piss off the Afghan tribes by killing busloads of civilians with air strikes. That is his strategy. Don’t like it Elric? Talk to the General.

  89. You’ll note that Curator seems to have no problem with Murtha’s comments either.

    Mmmm admittedly I had a lot of comments to read through last night but I didn’t notice Curator say anything about Murtha. Care to offer up a quote Tex?

  90. “Now, regarding the change in rules of engagement in Afghanistan, I see Elric finds Obama an easy target but doesn’t have the balls to challenge the real architect of the new ROE … namely General Stan McChrystal.”

    So? McCrystal works for Thuggy. Thuggy could say no to the new ROE and/or remove him. Its Thuggys policy and its blood on Thuggy’s hands every time a soldier or Marine dies because of it.

    “I don’t want us in Afghanistan in the first place at this point”

    Interesting how Afghanistan was the “ggod” war until Thuggy got in there. Another one of the leftist lies I guess.

  91. Mmmm admittedly I had a lot of comments to read through last night but I didn’t notice Curator say anything about Murtha. Care to offer up a quote Tex?

    There is no quote. You and Curator say as much in your selective silence as you do in your rambling dialogue. Curator “abhors” conservatives for their missteps and antagonistic approach toward those who constantly prattle on about America evil.

    However, I have noted Curator being ex-military, yet undoubtedly excusing the “abhorrent” behavior, thieving and lying of John Fuckin’ Murtha about our soldiers being cold blooded killers.

    This once again demonstrates the infinite hypocrisy, two-faced nature of the liberal establishment. 😉

  92. Hell yeah. Go Blue! Sent Notre Dame packing. Huge upset.

    LOL That’s what I love about Rabbit … man’s got his friggin priorities in order!

    Hey you got Bronson watching the game with you yet dude? 🙂

  93. Sure do! He didn’t even flinch when I went nuts over that TD in the last seconds of the game.

    He’s just like me. Sleeps during the first half. Bitches during the 3rd quarter and goes ape shit in the 4th.

    Making it all the more blissful is the fact that Michigan State got humiliated today.

    Life is good.

  94. Rutherford,

    Apocalypse may be upon libbiedom. Vastly underestimated the mocking of THE BOMBA!!! The country is finally figuring out that the only thing a liberal understands is a kick to the head with an iron boot. 🙂

    Tens of thousands chanting, “Liar! Liar! Liar! Liar!” Still think it’s just a bunch of teabagging racists Janeane Garofalo, you rotten, filthy skank? How’s it feel Rutherford to for once finally be challenged on the field of battle – those that you’ve mocked for years have decided enough is enough? Are you ready for the sting of defeat?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/13/us/politics/13protestweb.html

    Muwahahahahahahahahahahaha… 😈

  95. “and is on record criticizing Strom Thurmond’s bi-racial daughter for bringing “shame” to him by revealing her identity.”

    Interesting. Thuggy is black but Strom Thurmond’s daughter is bi-racial? You are more a dumbass than I thought.

  96. Well, seems I’ve missed a lot. Just got back from a Bucket list event- saw U2’s opener for their North American tour. Flew to Chicago, stayed in the Trump Hotel and partied to some good tunes. Sometimes you just gotta spent the money.

    I knew the moment I heard Wilson say “you lie” that old R would fly off the handle. I mean really, you lie versus Bush being called Pol Pot, Hitler, the devil and any number ofg other names by Dem politicians for years. I don’t think they equate at all and besides, the truth hurts.

    Haven’t seen hardly any coverage on the tens of thousands who marched on DC. Figures, the weekend I go to Chicago is the weekend conservatives march on DC, I could have been in the multitude!!! 😉 Anyway, little coverage, which means the left still thinks this is a fluke. Fine by me, burry your heads in the sand, it’ll make the look on your faxces that much more enjoyable in Novermber 2010 when you’re crushed at the polls. The people have had enough…

  97. Gorilla,

    Dodger just hates it that Thuggy is being treated somewhat like Bush was. Dodger is just lucky the MSM is Thuggy’s propaganda outlet. The hypocrisy of Dodger is mind numbing.

  98. Damn, I take a break from studying for a minute, turn on the TV, and what twits do I get to see? The Bomba and Ted Kennedy.

    I’d as soon be horsewhipped as listen to those two windbags, even from Teddy six feet under. The Bomba can’t get enough of his own voice. I did listen long enough to hear him say he was confident that he had changed the tune of the country about health care. Did The Bomba not look out his front window yesterday?

    Muwahahahahahahahahaha…… 🙂

    Bomba is rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic again. Haven’t heard anything this good since Zira found out her organic garden was rooted on top of shithole. 😆

  99. Elric,

    Reason # 1321 that conservatives are superior to libs. They pick up after themselves.

    Mainly because virtually all libs have no self respect, are selfish slackers, and mooches – explaining their dependence upon another man’s dime.

    But you would think that this would be the one issue where libs might show a little self respect, considering they’re always going on about how humans are killing the earth.

    Reason #1,443 that they’re even bigger hypocrites. 👿

  100. “Of course its a con. Thuggy didnt come out of Chicago politics without learning how to con.”-Elric

    Bush conned us on that one. Him and just about every other windbag, including our current King Windbag and McCain.

    But, the ultimate back-stab was last October, when so called conservatives “abandoned Capitalism to save Capitalism”.

    Sounded like something on the side of the barn in Animal Farm to me then, and it still looks that way today.

    Republicans bailed out their rich buddies in New York.

    The moral hazard only applies to us piss ants, you see.

    Democrats are using scare tactics to do the same in DC on, unbelievably, even a greater scale.

    Crazy. Just print money and save the special ones.

  101. Tex,

    they dont call them dirty hippies for nothing.

    DR,

    Im not too happy with the RINO’s either. Thing is, Thuggy was all about change. He was suppose to be different. He is not only a Washington insider, but an uber Washington insider.

    BTW, Bush was such a disappointment his second term, I was glad to see him leave. RINO’s are the very reason Im a registered independent. I hold no loyalty to any party, just principles.

  102. (CNSNews.com) – Despite a still-lagging U.S. economy and rising unemployment rate, House Democrats announced late yesterday that they will seek a massive increase in federal income taxes to help pay for the national health-care reform proposal that President Obama is urging Congress to enact this summer.

    House Ways and Means Chairman Charles Rangel (D.-N.Y.) revealed late Friday afternoon that House Democrats will seek to increase income taxes by $540 billion.

    The move, which had been discussed earlier in the week by House Democrats, broke in an Associated Press story that was published at 4:14 PM Eastern Daylight time on Friday afternoon (or 8:14 PM Greenwich Mean Time).

    Releasing news late on a Friday afternoon is a traditional public relations tactic used by politicians seeking to limit the news coverage of an item they nonetheless need to release.

    Subsequent AP stories and a report in the Washington Post cited Democratic sources as saying that the massive new tax increase would come in the form of a “surtax” on people filing taxes in the upper brackets of the income tax code.

    The upper tax brackets are already set to increase after next year when the income-tax cuts signed into law by President Bush in 2001 expire. President Obama and the Obama Treasury Department have indicated they intend to let those tax cuts expire for the upper two income brackets—meaning any individual or small business earning more than $200,000.

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/09/house-dems-will-seek-massive-540-billion-tax-increase-on-people-small-businesses-making-over-200kann.html

    Cool that POS tax cheat is going to shaft small business owners with higher taxes. Feel proud Dodger?

  103. I mean really, you lie versus Bush being called Pol Pot, Hitler, the devil and any number ofg other names by Dem politicians for years.

    Find me the moment, Gorilla, when it happened in the House chamber during a joint session. Search for it on YouTube.

  104. “The way you talk about government sometimes, I think you’re an anarchist.”

    A Conservative anarchist? LOL

    “Anyone making 200K or more per year can afford to bear some extra burden.”

    How generous of you. Dont you love it when tax cheats raise your taxes? Well you are a leftist so you probably do.

  105. conned.

    all of us ripped off.

    Rabbit, someone on one of the morning shows today said that Obama is disappointed with the results of the bank bailout.

    On the one hand, we are getting some of the money back with interest but on the other hand banks are still involved in risky practices similar to what got us in trouble in the first place.

    Health care reform is supposed to help us economically. If it does not, it will be a double whammie for Obama in that 1) it did not deliver its promised savings and 2) it distracted from other measures that might have more directly effected the economy short term.

    This all remains to be seen.

  106. Interesting. Thuggy is black but Strom Thurmond’s daughter is bi-racial? You are more a dumbass than I thought.

    I don’t know why I bother to try to explain this to you when you show about as much racial insight as the chair I’m sitting on right now.

    I referred to Strom Thurmond’s daughter as bi-racial to indicate that Strom, a white man had done the nasty with a black woman, a strict no no in his world order. I used the word “bi-racial” to call attention to Strom’s involvement in the union as a white man. I could just as easily have said his black daughter but it would not have conveyed my meaning quite as well.

    But maybe you are learning a bit Elric because you are right. In this society, Strom Thurmond’s daughter is black. The fact that she was Strom’s little “secret” shows just how black she was.

  107. “I used the word “bi-racial” to call attention to Strom’s involvement in the union as a white man.”

    Ohh I see. You use biracial to denigrate a white guy but you cant use biracial for Thuggy because its embarrassing to acknowledge he had a white mother. Gotcha.

  108. Dont you love it when tax cheats raise your taxes?

    Look, the fact is, I find it pretty absurd that a dude who didn’t pay his taxes is in charge of the Treasury. You know why I swallowed hard and accepted it? Because I was told (and have no reason to doubt) that he was the smartest and best guy for the job. He understands the problem and is best able intellectually (if not morally) to fix it.

    Is it ideal? No. Is it a compromise I was willing to accept? Yes.

    As I’ve said before in these comments threads, I’m afraid that the way a good number of rich people get rich is by finding ways not to pay their taxes. Nothing to be proud of but a sad fact.

  109. “Because I was told (and have no reason to doubt) that he was the smartest and best guy for the job.”

    Really? The guy claimed he couldnt figure out Turbo Tax. Doesnt sound too bright to me. Ohh and I meant the other tax cheat, Charlie Rangel. I know its easy to get confused with so many tax cheats in your party.

    “I’m afraid that the way a good number of rich people get rich is by finding ways not to pay their taxes.”

    Dont you find it hypocritical that the party thats for higher taxes cheat on theirs? Biden said its the highest form of patriotism? Why is a non patriot in charge of the most patriotic office?

  110. Gotcha

    LOL you ain’t got squat.

    You don’t get it and never will. From the perspective of the child, having a white parent does not mean a damn thing when confronting how one is treated by bigots in this society. If one parent is black, you are black … period.

    I don’t denigrate Thurmond because he is white. I denigrate him because he hid his daughter and had a history of racist political positions. He was a supreme hypocrite.

    Or maybe you share Trent Lott’s position that if only Strom had become President things would be “different” today.

  111. Another reason to hate rap music

    I’m not a big fan of rap (have said so in the past) but I would have rephrased your comment to say:

    Another reason to think that Kanye West is a crazy-ass fool.

    By the way, I’ve thought that ever since the fool said “George Bush doesn’t like black people”.

  112. You forgave The Swimmer, you cant forgive Thurmond?

    I assume “the swimmer” is Ted Kennedy? Getting into relative levels of sin I think is a pretty fruitless conversation. Suffice it to say, I think comparing hating (or at least disdaining) an entire race of people to totally mishandling an accidental homicide is like comparing apples and oranges.

    I’m sure you think Strom’s disdain for black people makes him a saint compared to Kennedy. Clearly an area where we have to agree to disagree.

  113. “I think comparing hating (or at least disdaining) an entire race of people to totally mishandling an accidental homicide is like comparing apples and oranges.”

    Not really. One’s how one feels, the other is allowing a woman to drown and never felt remorse for it. Now if Thurmond was a member of the Klan like say Byrd, that would make him more reprehensible.

    Ohh and I remember Thuggy sat in a “church” for 20 years with an antisemitic mentor. Does hating Jews count?

  114. BTW … real disappointed with Charlie Rangel the more I hear. Always liked the guy … a real New Yaawker. Seems the dude lost his way. Unless he can explain some of the stuff I’ve heard, I wouldn’t lose any sleep if he got kicked off Ways and Means, or at least got stripped of his chairmanship.

  115. …and never felt remorse for it.

    Yeah Elric I know from all those intimate conversations you had with Teddy you know he didn’t feel any remorse.

    Please tell me where you bought your crystal ball?

  116. “I wouldn’t lose any sleep if he got kicked off Ways and Means, or at least got stripped of his chairmanship.”

    But he wont. Not with this “ethical” Congress.

  117. “Please tell me where you bought your crystal ball?”

    Just had to read his letter to the Pope pushing universal health care and his dying wish was to change a law he had change for political gain. Guy was a dirt bag to the end.

  118. “Actually, in this case I just found amusement fu*king with you.”

    Doesnt matter to me. If you want to look like the typical uncaring leftist asshole, more power to you.

  119. And lets not forget. Thuggy trained them. Thuggy lawyered and represented them. Thuggy wants them to work on the 2010 Census. And Thuggy wants to give them tax payer dollars.

  120. Rangel is a disgrace for sure.
    I think when it comes to politicians we all need to take the position that there MUST be a point where there isn’t any room for explanations (read lies,excuses & spin) . Chuckie R has clearly reached that point. Some time ago in my mind. Having rode back in the day on 18Y NYC/EMS. (Harlem based out of Harlem Hospital) I can tell you he ain’t helping or truly connected in any sense the peeps.

  121. Did I mention Thuggy is connected to ACORN?

    ACORN: Big Apple, Big Pimping
    posted at 8:48 am on September 14, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    It was just a fluke, ACORN insisted the first time that James O’Keefe and Hannah Giles published their undercover video showing their office in Baltimore helping a pimp evade taxes and get a mortgage by deceit for a brothel. They fired a couple of “bad apples” in that office, and a couple of more bad apples in Washington DC when that office got caught on hidden camera doing the same thing. In fact. ACORN went so far as to brag that the pair had tried the same thing and failed in “San Diego, Los Angeles, Miami, New York, Philadelphia to name a few places.”

    Really? New York’s ACORN office was too sophisticated to fall for that scam? The video at Big Government today indicates that ACORN’s Big Apple office is equally as heartless and corrupt as DC and Baltimore, as two of their staffers advise O’Keefe and Giles how to cover up a child-prostitution ring and evade taxes:

    When you get a house with a backyard … you get a tin and put the money in it … and bury it.

    ACORN has access to billions of dollars in federal funding through Porkulus, and already gets hundreds of millions a year in federal funding through other programs, mainly through HUD. It’s time — it’s well past time — for Congress to suspend any payments to ACORN for any purposes.

    One incident may have been a fluke, and two a coincidence, but three times makes a pattern. These aren’t offices in the sticks, either, but offices in some of the most important American cities. Does ACORN train its people on how to screw the American people on income taxes while getting federal funds, or just look to hire the most heartless people in the world to help pimps hide child prostitution rings?

  122. Let me get this straight- you’re not upset at the message, just the forum it was expressed in?

    Clearly it was an emotional and sincere moment. Should he have controlled himself, yes- he has said as much. Was it the right forum, no- he has said as much. Was he wrong in what he said, no.

    Don’t you find it odd that that night, Sten Hoyer (D-MD) said that he wanted to get with GOP leaders to work on an appropriate punishment for Wilson. Gee, wouldn’t it be nice if he was that eager to bipartisanally work on healthcare…

  123. “Don’t you find it odd that that night, Sten Hoyer (D-MD) said that he wanted to get with GOP leaders to work on an appropriate punishment for Wilson.”

    Very odd since the demomarxist shut out the GOP since April on this healthcare scam.

  124. Poll: Obama speech “no game changer”
    posted at 9:30 am on September 14, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    George Stephanopoulos says that the Wednesday night speech “stopped the slide,” as the Washington Post/ABC poll results show Barack Obama’s speech on Wednesday night mainly flopped. Unfortunately, even with a ridiculous 11-point spread between Democrats and Republicans in the latest poll sample, Obama still can’t get to 50% support on health care leadership, dropped another point from the last poll on the economy, and lost six points between overall approval and disapproval over the last month:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/14/poll-obama-speech-no-game-changer/

    Change I can believe in. LOL

  125. Stooge

    Happy Ram-a-bomb kaffirs!!!!

    The word kaffir, sometimes spelt kaffer or kafir, is an offensive term for a black person, most common in South Africa and other African countries. Generally considered a racial or ethnic slur in modern usage, it was previously a neutral term for black southern African people.
    The original meaning of the word is ‘heathen’, ‘unbeliever’ or ‘infidel’, from the Arabic ‘kafir’ and is still being used with this meaning by Muslims.

    So which is it? You hate black people, or like speaking like a Muslim?

  126. “So which is it? You hate black people, or like speaking like a Muslim?”

    Funny how my using the term “kaffir” caused you to rant about me but that a muslim cop tried to kill a US soldier over drinking water during Ram-a-bomb didnt offend you at all. I love it when you drones continue to fall into my trap. You make it way toooo easy. LOL

  127. Was he wrong in what he said, no.

    Here is the problem with your assessment G. HR3200 explicitly says health care exchange will not be available to illegals.

    Let’s forget for one moment Wilson’s undesirable associations (i.e. a “deather”, a member of Sons of Confederate Veterans) and stick to his claim. He’s upset that there is no enforcement. But this is a weak argument because we all know full well that we are not throwing illegals out of the emergency room to die. Nor do the elderly, many of whom have misplaced their “papers” proving citizenship, want their life saving defribulation to wait on proof of not being an illegal.

    It’s a dopey argument. Based on Wilson’s stink, the bills will probably firm up some language to say that some proof of legality is needed before applying to a member of the exchange. Personally, I think that goes without saying based on the current verbiage.

    Bottom line, Obama said the bill does not extend health care to illegals and he was right … Wilson was wrong. End of story.

  128. Getting back to another fine Republican Joe Wilson who belongs to the Sons of Confederate Veterans. Did anybody know that these radical neo-Confederates have been known to put pennies in urinals, making sure to leave the Lincoln side face-up and have removed the U.S. flag from their halls and banned the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Is Stooge A-OK with pissing on the image of one of our greatest presidents? Does Joe Wilson consider the Republican Party “the Party of Lincoln”?

  129. “Bottom line, Obama said the bill does not extend health care to illegals and he was right”

    So why did Thuggy include the illegals as part of the uninsured if he didnt mean to cover them? Kinda odd, dont you think? Plus whats to stop them from sticking it in later like the 300 pages they stuck in the pork bill at the last minute?

  130. This is what happens in an ignorant ultra conservative Muslim nation and I think would not happen in most other Muslim countries. During all this Ramadan I bet you can pass by a select number of cafes in any number of Muslim countries and see foreigners and non-Muslim locals sitting outside, eating and drinking.

    No it didn’t offend me. The Afghan cop probably got shot up as well for being an idiot.

    Did it offend you when Blackwater deliberately killed 17 local Iraqi’s in that square back in 2007?

    Of course not… to you they were Muslims so no harm no foul.

    Right Stooge?

  131. “This is what happens in an ignorant ultra conservative Muslim nation and I think would not happen in most other Muslim countries.”

    Rightttt…Just like just like the Motoon riots or when Israel decides to strike back at Hamas. We also all know that non muslims are treated with the utmost respect most muslim countries.

    “Did it offend you when Blackwater deliberately killed 17 local Iraqi’s in that square back in 2007?”

    Awww switching the debate now?

  132. Stooge,

    So why did Thuggy include the illegals as part of the uninsured if he didnt mean to cover them? Kinda odd, dont you think?

    Where have you been? Still using this old GOP talking point? Didn’t you get the update from Boss Limbaugh?

    Did you listen to Obama’s speech at all, or do you just get all your news from Ed Morrissey?

    During his speech the president said:

    “There are now more than 30 million American citizens who cannot get coverage.”

    Yes I’ll admit that in August, he had said: “We’ve got 46-47 million people without health insurance in our country.” but since he has clarified this and put to rest any confusion.

    There were 45,657,000 people without insurance in the 2007 Census estimate. 12,388,000 of those were foreign born, and 9,737,000 were not citizens, leaving 33,269,000.

    So 30 million is an approximation.

    Obama was making the point that under his plan, illegal immigrants would not get health insurance.

  133. “Yes I’ll admit that in August, he had said: “We’ve got 46-47 million people without health insurance in our country.” but since he has clarified this and put to rest any confusion.”

    LOL Is he that stupid that he got it wrong by 17 million?

    “Obama was making the point that under his plan, illegal immigrants would not get health insurance.”

    Uh huh. And whats to stop him from adding it in the middle of the night like the 300 pages added to the pork bill? Why should we trust him? If he never included the illegals in the first place ppl might trust him more. But because talk radio did his fact checking for him, he now changes his tune. I have no reason to believe Thuggy. He is a liar.

  134. “Did it offend you when Blackwater deliberately killed 17 local Iraqi’s in that square back in 2007?”

    Awww switching the debate now?

    No just pointing out the value you place on a Muslim life.

    Tell me Stooge… what does it feel like to believe that genocide against Muslims will solve the World’s problems? Did you frame your copy of Mein Kampf?

  135. “Tell me Stooge… what does it feel like to believe that genocide against Muslims will solve the World’s problems? Did you frame your copy of Mein Kampf?”

    Wow, you are really grasping at straws now LOL

    Ohh and by the way, the qur’an is more antisemtic than mein kampf. Just thought you would love that bit of information.

  136. It’s Hell Stupid By: Bill Siegel
    FrontPageMagazine.com | Thursday, September 10, 2009

    Even before President Barack Obama assumed office, the liberal media embarked upon a massive effort to attribute the phenomena of suicide bombings to anything other than Islam. Now that Obama has begun to place his mark on the conflict formerly known as the “War on Terror” and the activities of those formerly known as “Jihadists,” these efforts have only gotten farther off of the mark.

    Not only has Obama displayed tremendous courage in fighting his “War on Words,” he and his media manipulator extraordinaire, David Axelrod, have unleashed the full weaponry of the mellow timbre to handle the conflicts we face with enemies we used to identify in part by their connection to Islam. By ceasing reference to “terror,” by eliminating thirteen hundred years of history in accepting the absurd notion that, to true Muslims, “Jihad” is a simple peaceable struggle against internal appetites and lusts much like that which Christians undertake during Lent, and by introducing pleasantly toned conversational style to engage and dialogue away all global conflict, Obama has certainly brought about one kind of “change”—if we change our grammar and tone we can eliminate all squabbles the West has had with the Muslim world. Camelot visits the Middle East.

    Further, Obama has sought to deploy his troops of amiable words in Cairo and elsewhere in the Muslim world. He armed his new under secretary of state for public diplomacy and public affairs, Judith A. McHale, with familiar calls for “building bridges” between America and the Muslim world. Unfortunately, Pakistani journalist Ansar Abbasi responded, “You should know we hate all Americans… From the bottom of our souls, we hate you.” No worry. Obama sent in his reinforcements in the form of a congenial Ramadan Message to Muslims worldwide.

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=36229

    Must read for the drones

  137. So why did Thuggy include the illegals as part of the uninsured if he didnt mean to cover them? Kinda odd, dont you think? Plus whats to stop them from sticking it in later like the 300 pages they stuck in the pork bill at the last minute?

    Either you don’t read or you have a bad memory. I already addressed this with the theory that the number was inflated for dramatic effect.

    As for “sticking stuff in at the last minute”, my God do you have a total mistrust of government. I really wish I had “met” you back in the Bush days just to see if you are a total black helicopter fearing dude or whether your paranoia is limited to Democrats.

  138. “Either you don’t read or you have a bad memory. I already addressed this with the theory that the number was inflated for dramatic effect.”

    Otherwords he lied. Thanks for agreeing finally.

    “As for “sticking stuff in at the last minute”, my God do you have a total mistrust of government.”

    Did they or did they not add 300 pages to the pork bill and why should I trust them after they did that?

  139. Getting back to another fine Republican Joe Wilson who belongs to the Sons of Confederate Veterans.

    Curator, I’ve actually avoided arguing the likelihood that Wilson is a racist pig since that argument is too easily met with accusations of “playing the race card.” Easier to stick to the sheer stupidity of his “you lie” shout. Then again, that argument will fall on deaf ears too. These sad excuses for conservatives will allow anyone to carry their banner, no matter how racist (Wilson) or stupid (Wilson, Palin, Bachmann, Limbaugh, etc. etc.).

  140. “Curator, I’ve actually avoided arguing the likelihood that Wilson is a racist pig.”

    I thought racists were ok there Dodger, or is that only reserved for scumbags like Van Jones?

  141. Elric, I haven’t figured out why you think I’m a huge fan of Van Jones. While I think it was Curator who made a pretty reasonable defense of Jones (particularly on signing the “truther” petition), I’m willing to admit the dude lacks self discipline in his speech. It may be perfectly accurate to call Republicans “assh*les” but there is a time and a place. 😉

  142. “Elric, I haven’t figured out why you think I’m a huge fan of Van Jones.”

    Because you said his racism didnt matter but you seem ok calling Wilson a racist pig. Plus the fact that its ok to call a child biracial to out a white Republican but otherwise a biracial child is black….period.

  143. “Here is the problem with your assessment G. HR3200 explicitly says health care exchange will not be available to illegals.” — R

    Illegal’s will still use emergency facilities, and frankly, I see no reason to believe anything Obama says, only what he does, and he has done nothing thus far to make me believe that illegals will be excluded from our health care system.

    “Did it offend you when Blackwater deliberately killed 17 local Iraqi’s in that square back in 2007?” — Curtator

    Curator, I was in Iraq when this happened. Don’t buy into the media hype. Blackwater may be a bunch of cowboys (and very effective at what they do), but they aren’t psychopaths- they received fire and responded, but again, this is indicative of the complications of private security firms operating in an urban environment. Besides, Maliki needed some political points at the time, this was fairly convenient…

    “This is what happens in an ignorant ultra conservative Muslim nation and I think would not happen in most other Muslim countries. During all this Ramadan I bet you can pass by a select number of cafes in any number of Muslim countries and see foreigners and non-Muslim locals sitting outside, eating and drinking.” – Curator

    Not really. Places like Dubai, yes, though foreigners are expected to respect local customs and most resturants will be closed during the day. The only places where you’ll be able to get food is in the hotels, and they will not being serving outdoor seating during the day. In other places, there is little tolerance and I’ve seen local officials get touchy. Needless to say, it is best to be very discreet- they’re miserable during the day and rubbing, real or perceived, it in their face usually elicits a response.

  144. R,

    You still don’t address the differences between Wilson and the Dems. Wilson got emotional during a speech and reacted, the dems made repeated calculated and premeditated insults against Bush since day one.

    I’m just saying, grow some thicker skin, because Conservatives have not even come remotely close to the vitriol of Dems…

  145. I’m just saying, grow some thicker skin, because Conservatives have not even come remotely close to the vitriol of Dems…

    A pretty bad comparison. It was the anti-war left who vilified Bush not liberals, or Democrats. Conservatives, mostly the right-wing Conservatives are the ones vilifying Obama. Wouldn’t you agree?

  146. Here you go Stooge. This is a direct reply to your ACORN obsession.

    Obama said, “”My relationship to ACORN is pretty straightforward. It’s probably 13 years ago when I was still practicing law, I represented ACORN and my partner in that representation was the U.S. Justice Department in having Illinois implement what was called the “motor voter” law, to make sure that people could go to DMVs and driver’s license facilities to get registered. It wasn’t being implemented. That was my relationship, and is my relationship to ACORN.”

    ACORN said it was being defrauded by workers they had hired. All voter registration must be turned in even if you believe it is fraudulent. ACORN separated out those applications they believed were fraudulent and identified them as suspect applications.

  147. Another Fine Moment for Democrats.

    A Congressional race in Tennessee has become freighted with racial overtones almost a year before the election, with a prominent black politician saying the white incumbent cannot properly represent black voters.

    The black candidate, former Mayor Willie W. Herenton of Memphis, has argued that Tennessee needs a black voice in its currently all-white delegation. He is running a blistering campaign against Representative Steve Cohen, a fellow Democrat with a precarious hold on the majority black district.

    “To know Steve Cohen is to know that he really does not think very much of African-Americans,” Mr. Herenton said in a recent radio interview on KWAM. “He’s played the black community well.”

    Herenton’s campaign manager, a black county commissioner, told the NYT, “This seat was set aside for people who look like me. It wasn’t set aside for a Jew or a Christian. It was set aside so that blacks could have representation.”

    So a white politician cannot represent his constituency if that constituency is black? Thanks for providing such wonderful ammunition to the conservative GOP who really are your enemies, you worthless, ignorant, moron.

    “and the beat goes on. . .”

  148. Hell I’ll say it. Thanks for sharing that Curator. I like it on two levels.
    One the racist Nagin-esque angle (“Chocolate City”) which people refuse exists. The second and honestly more importantly is the fact that it’s Tn. A twist/continuation on the Ford v Corker race.

  149. Valerie Jarrett: The Next Van Jones By: Ben Johnson
    FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, September 14, 2009

    Many have wondered how ANYONE AS EXTREME AS Obama’S “Green Jobs Czar” Van Jones – a self-described “Communist” obsessed with racial conspiracy theories – could have been named to head a federal agency. David Horowitz described the radicalization of the Democratic Party as the appointment’s subtext. Closer to the fore, Jones owed his elevation to another new factor: the unparalleled influence of Valerie Jarrett. To call Jarrett a presidential adviser, even a close adviser, is misleading. She is an alter ego, an inner conscience, a touchstone of clarity for both President Obama and first lady Michelle. In the frenzy of the presidency, she reminds both Obamas of their identity and deepest-held beliefs. In exchange, the president makes no decision without her and has said she can “speak for me.” Unfortunately, she is also a racially polarizing elitist. She obtained her first foothold in Chicago politics through the patronage of a former SDS radical who regrets “nothing” about her role in the Days of Rage and ventured in 2003 that she “would probably reject violence as a useful form of revolution.” The same radical tried to persuade Rod Blagojevich to name Jarrett to Obama’s empty senate seat. Instead, Jarrett has served as a conduit of far-leftists into the administration.

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=36289

    The endless supply of marxist czars

  150. Hypocrisy alert: Famous disruptor now an etiquette scold
    posted at 2:20 pm on September 14, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

    Carol Shea-Porter made herself famous in her district before running for Congress by disrupting her predecessor’s town-hall meetings with her protests. Now, suddenly, the Democrat from New Hampshire has remade herself into the Beltway’s Miss Manners, telling a crowd of supporters that Democrats never heckled George Bush during appearances before Congress. Not only is Shea-Porter a hypocrite, she’s not much of a historian, either:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/14/hypocrisy-alert-famous-disruptor-now-an-etiquette-scold/

  151. White House Begrudgingly Admits Joe Wilson Was Right About ObamaCare and Illegal Immigrants…

    (MSNBC)- The White House tonight is providing the below clarification on what the president’s health-care proposals would mean when it comes to the issue of illegal immigrants.

    The question, as we all know, arises from the Wilson “You lie” outburst, and the core claim that notwithstanding specific bill language barring illegal immigrants from participating in the “exchange,” as a practical matter, there is no way of verifying the citizenship of applicants — which is the current state of play. Republicans say that then means illegal immigrants would end up being enrolled in plans — bill language or no bill language.

    Today, for the first time as far as we know, the administration is backing a provision that would require proof of citizenship before someone could enroll in a plan selected on the exchange.

    Here, the administration also concedes that hospitals would be compensated with public funds for the care of undocumented immigrants.

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/09/white-house-begrudgingly-admits-joe-wilson-was-right-about-obamacare-and-illegal-immigrants.html

    Even Dodger and Curator wont admit it

  152. Thanks for providing such wonderful ammunition to the conservative GOP who really are your enemies, you worthless, ignorant, moron.

    Well despite what Elric etal thinks, no one said Repubs had a monopoly on stupidity. They just provide so many more juicy examples. 🙂

  153. Peter Stark To Tax Payer: ‘I Wouldn’t Dignify You By Peeing On Your Leg. It wouldn’t Be Worth Wasting The Urine’

    They have the monopoly of vicious elitist assholes though.

  154. You still don’t address the differences between Wilson and the Dems.

    That’s odd, G, because I thought I did. Very simply, it’s time and place. Like I said before, find me a YouTube of a Dem calling Bush a liar or anything else, before a joint session.

  155. Illegal’s will still use emergency facilities

    Yes, and all the legislation in the world won’t stop that unless you are really advocating illegals dying in the street outside our hospitals. Is that what you want legislated?

  156. Yes, and all the legislation in the world won’t stop that unless you are really advocating illegals dying in the street outside our hospitals. Is that what you want legislated?

    Now I’m assuming there is a degree of exasperation in that comment. I’ve been discussing that point in a mini thread at
    my patch on that very point. Enforcement isn’t evil,in fact it is very necessary.

  157. There would be no change in the law that requires emergency rooms to treat people who need emergency care, including undocumented immigrants. There is already a federal grant program that compensates states for emergency room costs associated with treatment of undocumented immigrants, a provision sponsored by a Republican lawmaker.

    HYPOCRISY AHOY!!!!

    Since when do Republicans support health care for undocumented immigrants?

    Man the comments of that first read blog post are great.

    I especially like Tom from Portland.

    Very sloppy reporting. First you falsely suggest that hospitals “would be compensated” with public funds for the emergency room treatment of”undocumented immigrants”. By using the phrase “would be” you suggest this is something new, when the facts are that this is a long standing program. Since when is proposed legislation somehow responsible for its “failure to change” existing law and when did that “failure” suddenly result in the proposed legislation now including this existing law. If the Republicans want to require that public hospitals refuse emergency treatment to illegal aliens let them introduce that legislation and let’s see how many doctors support it, And, even if it were to pass how could a doctor who takes the Hippocratic oath possibly comply with such a law. Second, you blatantly confuse “proof of citizenship” with verification efforts to prevent undocumented immigrants from participating. These are quite clearly not the same thing and you must know that unless you have never herd of legal resident aliens. There are in fact millions of such legal resident non-citizens in this country and I do not think anyone is suggesting that they be excluded from any public insurance benefits. Indeed such a provision would likely be unconstitutional. The Republicans, including that idiot Wilson, conflate these two very different things all the time and you do a real disservice to the public by repeating their falsehoods.

    What a good point. Lets just let the illegal immigrant die in the street after a car crash. They don’t have the proper paper’s on them. Maybe we should stamp a number on their forearms so they can be properly identified.

  158. Already addressed that issue. Not my fault you dodged it.

    Well, I was talking to Gorilla but for what it’s worth Elric, I remember you deflecting, not addressing.

    Guess I’m gonna have to start attributing quotes to the original speaker since Elric thinks he said stuff he didn’t say. 😉

  159. Alfie,

    Seems to me he wants tax payer money funding these illegal mooches. Its a clear cut way to reduce medical costs. For some reason he doesnt want to do it.

  160. “I remember you deflecting, not addressing.”

    I didnt deflect. I said give the illegals a 90 window warning that services will be cut off. I asked you if that was fair and like a good drone, you didnt answer.

  161. Curator I complimented y0u back at #221. now I have to point out the assinine douchebaggery of this…

    Maybe we should stamp a number on their forearms so they can be properly identified.

    Nice Nazi reference. That’s the classic shit that degrades a discussion.
    The rest of the excerpt has equally stupid points to it. HR3200 actually doesn’t set up for verification even though at 246 it states no coverage. Ironically it goes to great lengths addressing the creation of commissioners in other areas but doesn’t have a line item about verification. Further the same bill and others on the table actually do put limits on LEGAL aliens. How f@#$ed up is that ? “You’re legal screw you,you’re illegal nothing to see here folks.”

  162. I said give the illegals a 90 window warning that services will be cut off.

    Ah yes, I remember now … you did didn’t you? Now I assume that’s 90 days, not minutes … LOL.

    So, how do you intend to profligate this warning? Via the newspapers? When does the 90 day ticker start … from the day they enter illegally … which of course would be a well documented day, right? Or is it 90 days from the day of announcement for everyone, which means anyone who arrives illegally after 90 days, dies in the street without any warning.

    Now perhaps you see why I forgot your answer … it was preposterous.

    If you want to get at illegals, do a better job of stopping them at the border, don’t kill them once they get here.

  163. I’ve been discussing that point in a mini thread at
    my patch on that very point.

    Link please Alfie and don’t worry about blogpimping. The only one I found (your latest) has no comments yet and I was expecting to see a discussion.

  164. LOL … interesting solution for those who call Obama a Nazi. I just love the irony!

    Isn’t it hilarious. Some poor soul is bleeding at the front door of the ER and cannot be verified to get access to life saving care. They don’t have the required verification, documentation or identification.

    I wonder when the first U.S citizen who shows up as unverified at the ER door and dies from their wounds, who among the conservative right will shrug their shoulders and say “Shit Happens”

    Alfie you call it “assinine douchebaggery”. I call it Conservative Republican horseshit that does not pass the smell test.

    Did you know that non-citizens won’t be barred, under Senate Finance Committee legislation from entering these health insurance exchanges, but that these exchanges themselves will require ALL consumers to show proof of citizenship? So tell me how does an illegal immigrants show proof of citizenship to get free health care from the government?

  165. If you want to get at illegals, do a better job of stopping them at the border, don’t kill them once they get here.

    Nope. Stop them at their business. If they can’t find work they will go home eventually. If they go home then Elric can find work picking strawberries for $1.75 an hour.

  166. I guess Dodger wants the illegals here. I guess giving them 90 days to go back to where they came from is asking too much.

    “If you want to get at illegals, do a better job of stopping them at the border, don’t kill them once they get here.”

    Whose says to kill them? Just cut off services, and force them to go back. Otherwise its all on them. No one is forcing them to come here. Not our fault they come from a crappy country. No reason to make ours one too by supporting the free loaders.

  167. “Nice Nazi reference. That’s the classic shit that degrades a discussion.”

    Thats what leftists do. When they cant win an argument, they play either the race card or the Nazi card. Dont know why you try to be nice to these people.

  168. As public outrage in some parts of the country against President Obama seems to grow louder by the week, some Democrats believe that his sharpest critics are driven by racism.

    At a fall gathering of the Democratic National Committee in Austin, several Democrats expressed dismay with the anger exploding mostly from white Americans, such as the tens of thousands who marched on the nation’s capital Saturday. African-American lawmakers like Texas Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson say the tone of the president’s critics increasingly suggests what is motivating their vitriol.

    “It’s hurting the spirit of this country,” Johnson said, expressing worry about what outsiders might think of large portions of the country behaving as if the president of the United States were illegitimate. “As far as African-Americans are concerned, we think most of it is [racism].”

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/09/dem-rep-eddie-bernice-as-far-as-africanamericans-are-concerned-we-see-criticism-of-obama-as-racism-.html

    Perfect example Alfie.

  169. Curator you are right at the location to stop illegals. it has the much needed bonus of getting those that use them and I do mean use.
    And bottomline I hate a thread that loses it’s civility. I accept that may sound funny coming from me but the name calling just hurts the thread that let’s face it has attracted a number of differing people/voices. I also just plain hate Nazi stuff

  170. I just saw the greatest patriotic dissent sign. Truthful, simple, concise.

    * * * O B A M A S U C K S * * *

    I’ll bet Obama is a Kanye West fan. I can see Obama after his one term as President jumping up on stage,ripping the microphone out of the new President’s hand, turning on the teleprompter, and moaning about his inheritance as former President. 😮

  171. Sorry folks, I’m sporadic today…

    “A pretty bad comparison. It was the anti-war left who vilified Bush not liberals, or Democrats. Conservatives, mostly the right-wing Conservatives are the ones vilifying Obama. Wouldn’t you agree?” — Curator

    Ahhhhh, last I checked, the anti-war left were Dems and certainly are liberals. Care to explain the difference?

    Do you for a minute equate the volume of vitriol that went against Bush to the protests of Obama? You can’t even fairly equate the protestors! What we saw from Saturday was tens of thousands of every day, average Joe Blow people fed up with a government out of control. Really, leaving LaRouche activists aside (Socialists bandwagoning on the conservative movement), can you really compare the two? Anti-war left= grossly incompetent and ignorant of the issues whereas the anti-Obama conservatives are very well informed. The vilification, if you can even call it that, of Obama doesn’t even come close to what Bush was subjected too. There just isn’t a comparison.

  172. Ahhhhh, last I checked, the anti-war left were Dems and certainly are liberals. Care to explain the difference?

    Not all anti war are Democrats, not all Democrats are liberal, in fact the Libertarian party had many in the anti war movement. Libertarian Party leaders in California tried to pass anti-war resolutions in 2005 but failed by one vote.

    Haven’t you ever heard of Ron Paul?

    This statement “anti-war left were Dems and certainly are liberals” does not make a damn bit of sense.

  173. This statement “anti-war left were Dems and certainly are liberals” does not make a damn bit of sense.

    True, but the ones rooting for soldier’s deaths to score political points, calling soldiers mercenaries and cold blooded killers, tacitly hoping for us to lose the war were all libs, including the pinkos, ambulance chasers, commies, Marxists, and greenies, or a combination of all of the above (the majority of the Dimocratic party). Let us not forget the incomparably inane Dick Durban making reference to gulags with respect to our military personnel. 😮

  174. ACORN is going to blow up by November. And when it does, there are going to be some big time political casualties. As usual, Rutherford claims he doesn’t care abut ACORN. He will soon.

    I insist everybody should care about any institution that’s using government funds. Whether that is me, in my classroom, or some two bit office setting up a whore house for underage girls.

    I will say it again. Thank God for FOX news. What if they didn’t exist?

  175. What if FOX didn’t exist? I wouldn’t have to be constantly pointing out the oxymoronic combination of the words “FOX” and “News” – it would sure save me a lot of time.

    — hjippieprof

  176. Yeah it would be great for you if Fox News didnt exist. No one would challenge what this politburo is doing to this nation.

    DR,

    Seems Hippie doesnt care about corruption either as long as its his marxist leaders that are the corrupt.

  177. (Guardian)- Presumably following the maxim of “waste not, want not”, utilising roadkill has become a trend. In the UK, top forager Fergus Drennan (www.wildmanwildfood.com) has taken to holding roadkill suppers. In Australia one Les Hall published a handy guidebook to spotting deceased species on the road. And in Canada designer Amy Nugent has taken things a step further, “harvesting” highway hits from bears and moose (what you might call megafauna) through to porcupines to fashion a celebrated jewellery range (www.roadquill.ca) that includes bracelets and tie slides.

    I’m not completely blind to the ethical reasoning here. The first rule of sustainability is that humanity should use abundance, and there is sadly an abundance of roadkill; at one famed US junction (Highway 27 at Lake Jackson near Tallahassee, Florida), a turtle has a 98.86% chance of being squished, while on our roads the People’s Trust for Endangered Species (PTES) estimates that 1-2% of the national population of hedgehogs, around 15,000, is killed on roads each year. Secondly, carrion appeals to those who hate waste and, as one prolific UK roadkill consumer puts it, out of 40 carcasses found here, 20 will be edible, which may seem like good odds for something that’s free. Finally and sensationally, animal rights campaigners tend to give roadkill the green light, including Peta, which deems roadkill meat acceptable fodder, as it’s meat that hasn’t come courtesy of the “barbaric” meat industry.

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/09/latest-green-fad-to-save-the-planet-eating-roadkill.html

    And Dodger calls the ones on the right loons.

  178. Elric,

    It does seem that way. I can’t imagine MSNBC exposing blatant corruption on some dick weed Republican and my gut reaction to the reporting being, “I hate MSNBC”.

  179. DR,

    Thats what different between us and the drones. We hold all politicians accountable, the drones just hold Republicans accountable and give the demomarxists free pass after free pass.

    How many articles have I posted about demomarxist corruption and thuggery without one drone condemning the demomarxist? Zero.

    And they wonder why the real American people are pissed off.

  180. Elric says: “And they wonder why the real American people are pissed off.”

    Gee – maybe it has something to do with you thinking you are a real American and myself and others like me are apparently not? Out of curiosity, where do you get that idea? What makes you a “real” American.

    I would love to see you cite something from the constitution in your answer. “Real” Americans love citing the constitution – so there must be something in there suggesting that you are and I am not.

    I am waiting – seriously – tell me.

    — hippieprof

  181. DR,

    Notice that out of all I wrote, the only thing the bong hitting drone was upset about was that he isnt a real American. Didnt refute what I said about the drones and demomarxist corruption. Typical.

  182. Elric,

    Give HippieProf his due for at least being honest about who he is: a red diaper doper baby. That is more than I can say about most libs… 😉

  183. DR says (regarding FOX) “If you could snap your fingers and make it disappear would you?”

    Interesting question. I would be tempted – but in the end, I guess not. Despite what you say, silencing the opposition is not one of my values.

    If I could snap my fingers are make them actually present a “fair and balanced” view? Yes. If I could get them to create a true “no spin” zone? Absolutely. If I could get them to hire a responsible liberal commentator as far to the left as Glen Beck is to the right? In a second.

    I don’t want to get rid of them. I would just like them to REALLY present some balance.

    I can already hear you stating to yell “What about CNN!”

    OK – if you are giving me the power, I will snap my fingers and make them fair and balanced as well. It won’t be as a difficult a task because they are a lot closer to the middle already – but I would be perfectly happy if everyone in the media presented a balanced viewpoint.

    That way people could actually think about both sides of an issue and use their brains to come to their own conclusions.

    — hippieprof

  184. Elric said: “Notice that out of all I wrote, the only thing the bong hitting drone was upset about was that he isnt a real American. Didnt refute what I said about the drones and demomarxist corruption. Typical.”

    Tell you what, Elric – you do what I asked about finding the constitutional justification for your “real” American comment – then I will be happy to address your demomarxist comment.

    Deal?

    — hippieprof

    P.S. My last bong hit was about 30 years ago. When was yours?

  185. Elric says: “LOL He is still whining about it.”

    Not whining – just holding your feet to the fire. You keep avoiding the question, so I guess you aren’t up to the task.

    — hippieprof

  186. Elric,

    You can always tell the insecure pinko – academicians the absolute worst of the insecure. One network happens to lean right, and then only a tinge while you’ve got at least ten networks, including the awful PBS, that lean from left to loon and that is completely unacceptable.

    The rubes on the left doesn’t even believe their own bullshit. They simply have to hold to power to live on another’s dime and another’s protection.

    They are shameless, but then Dear Leader Bomba is shameless.

  187. Rutherford,

    Sometimes I really envy you – hundreds of comments on every thread. Wow…. I would love that on my blog…

    Then – when I think of having to wade through this shit each and every day – I don’t envy you at all….

    — hippieprof

  188. Hippieprof, 😆

    Heck, Rutherford lives for the thrill. I take it you are another in a long list of libbies that have “blogs” that only a mother could love?

    I noticed you didn’t mention MSNBC/NBC as one of those “center” networks. That was parody about CNN, right?

  189. Tex,

    Thats what these regressive are, control freaks. They arent happy unless they have total control over your life.

    Just look at Joe Wilson. He didnt act like a good little drone and actually call Thuggy out on his lies. Now they want to sanction him. But Charlie Rangel, cheating big time on his taxes and not a damn thing.

    And they wonder why real Americans like us are pissed off.

  190. hippieprof,

    Rutherford’s gets a ton of comments becuase, at the end of the day, Rutherford lets us say whatever the hell we want.

    And, honestly, despite this free flowing forum, I haven’t seen much depth out of you over here.

    I clicked on your blog and was bored very quickly with an article about “tag” surfing in which you stereotype those to the right from a couple “keyword” searches. Half way through, I panned the comments section and saw you whining about being banned somewhere.

    You can hate on us all you want, but at least it is free here.

  191. DR…

    I guess “hating on” is in the eye of the beholder. So, apparently is “depth.”

    If you were to look back though my posts I don’t think you will find many instances of my throwing insults. Almost every post you and Tex and Elric includes an insult of some type – or a reference to stereotype about liberals.

    OK – this is an honest question. Earlier I asked Elric to justify his claim that he was a “real” American. He made jokes about it, and claimed I was whining about it – but never gave an honest answer.

    Like it or not, that is an important question. As I am sure you remember, Palin made the same claim during the campaign – that a group of small town people were “real” Americans. On what basis does she say that? On what basis do you say that?

    I dare you – prove to me how deep you are and give me a straight answer – an answer without insults. Can you do that?

    If you can’t give a straight answer without insults I suspect it is because you don’t have one to give – and all this talk of depth is a sham.

    So – go ahead – bring it.

    — hippieprof

  192. Too funny. You would think Hippie would be more concerned about the corruption in the politburo than what Palin thinks what true Americans are. But then, he is a regressive drone so it actually makes sense.

  193. Register for the motherfucken draft and don’t beat women and your a real American in Rabbit’s eyes.

    Now, you may be a “real” dumb ass one, but real nonetheless.

    As for small town America, they are the most voiceless segment of this Union. Thus, the media controlling coasts are out of sync with a silent majority or the “real” slant of this country. However, I suppose in this case I’m talking macro.

  194. I’ll bet Obama is a Kanye West fan.

    Ah Tex there you go firing off your mouth again. Obama was actually quoted off the record today (ABC I believe apologized for the leaked quote) saying “Kanye West is a jackass” or something to that effect.

    Comments like that from you Tex show just how shallow you really are regarding Obama. Again, you have this dumbass black supremacist view of Obama which really betrays your own racial insecurity.

    I think it was Stephen Colbert last year who joked that Obama’s first act in office would be to kill all white people. Sadly, I think somewhere in you, you really believe that sh*t. I assure you Tex, if Obama met you, he wouldn’t dislike you because you’re white. He’d dislike you because you can be a real dumbass.

  195. “Obama was actually quoted off the record today”

    Real brave of Thuggy to say that “off the record”. Not man enough to say it on the record. He was brave enough to smear a cop without the facts.

  196. Come one Elric, he called the man a jack ass….what more do you want. A celebrity death match?

    Obama gives that attention whore anymore then a good “off the record jack ass” and he’s playing right into West’s hand.

  197. Where was the insult? I told you. A real American registers for the draft and doesn’t beat women. What else do you want from me? I’m agreeing with you.

  198. “Come one Elric, he called the man a jack ass….what more do you want.”

    He didnt even mean it to be made public. It just shows the character of him; especially given the fact he had no problem smearing a good cop. Screw him, he is a vile POS and a coward.

    But then, we are talking about a POS who tosses Honduras under the bus while making life easier for communist Cuba.

  199. hippieprof,

    if your trying to lure me into some post modernist, relativist jargon fest on what “American” or “real” or “love” or “sin” or whatever is, I’m sincerely not interested.

  200. What we saw from Saturday was tens of thousands of every day, average Joe Blow people fed up with a government out of control.

    Oh Gorilla please save it for Fox News! Out of those tens of thousands of “average Joe Blow people” were a conspicuous bunch of asswipes with signs saying “Bury Obamacare with Kennedy” “We Came Unarmed (This Time)” and others with Obama as Hitler or Obama as Lenin, or another with Obama as an acronym in which the M stood for Muslim. Those were some of your Joe Blows. A bunch of either hateful or terribly stupid people. Hateful if they truly meant what was on those signs …. and stupid if they felt carrying signs like that was “funny” or amiusing or some way to get have a good time on a Saturday.

    And let’s take the others. Where was their fuc*in’ awareness of government spending last year when the sh*t first hit the fan? Where was the march on Washington then?

    Folks … mainly white folks, have been bitching for some time about the changing demographics of America … “their America”. It’s one of the motives fueling the whole immigrant debate. It’s not just illegals that have them pissed off. And now to top things off, as if things couldn’t get any worse, even the President of the United States isn’t white anymore. Goddam!!!

    Oh sorry … that’s the race card. It’s just a coincidence that the financially disgruntled masses woke up and marched now.

    Give me a huge friggin break!

    P.S. If I seem a bit animated, it’s because I got to see some of the signs at the 9-12 event and they disgusted me. David Schuster, who filled in for Keith Olberman tonight on Countdown made a very poignant point. Glen Beck wanted us to return to the mood we had on 9-12-2001 when our country pulled together. Yeah … he really got that this Saturday didn’t he? Lots of supportive unity. Not a divisive voice in the bunch.

    Goddam it.

  201. Why don’t you tell us Hippieprof what you find “real” American? Let’s here some of that feel good moral relativism that flows freely on campus to explain it to us minions.
    ——————————

    Rutherford, 😆

    And I came in here to give Bomba my second kudo in ten months (the first was ordering the pirates dead) and you had to go ruin it for me. The fact that Bomba found Kanye West a jackass is a good start to begin to pull himself from the gates of Jeremiah hell.

    Of course, Kanye is more than a jackass – he’s an asshole on the jackass. Now does that make me a racist?

  202. Elric, I’m not sure a press conference by the rose garden was in order over Kayne West. That’s all I’m saying. Kayne West was, in fact, a jack ass. But come on, Kayne West isn’t the devil. Dude is a drunk, narcissist. There have been millions of dudes like him through out time. Who gives a shit about Kayne or even some country singer who will now sell more albums thanks to West.

    Some dude almost hit me head on the other day speeding

    I was nervously driving with the baby in the car seat. That shit was more effed up then what Kayne West did.

    Again. West equals dumbass. This news cycle story should have the life of a fricking mayfly.

  203. So Rutherford,

    You think that was some terribly stupid people, do you? Tell you a sign that I saw that you can file away in your arrogant, do nothing lib folder.

    A Vet had a sign that said, “You shove it down our throats in 2009, and we will shove it up your ass in 2010.” Enough said.

  204. If you could snap your fingers and make it disappear would you?

    I can’t speak for Hippieprof but I’ll take a stab at this. If I could snap my fingers and make something happen, I’d make MSNBC and Fox less obviously partisan and do investigative journalism without a political agenda,

  205. “Elric, I’m not sure a press conference by the rose garden was in order over Kayne West.”

    I didnt say he needed to do that. Im saying he is a coward for answering the question off the record when he was asked about it.

  206. “Folks … mainly white folks, have been bitching for some time about the changing demographics of America … “their America”. It’s one of the motives fueling the whole immigrant debate. It’s not just illegals that have them pissed off. And now to top things off, as if things couldn’t get any worse, even the President of the United States isn’t white anymore. Goddam!!!”

    Cant you just give the race card a rest for awhile? All it does is make you sound like a racist. But then it does make you sound shrill and that is rather amusing.

  207. Rutherford’s constant running mistake about the Tea Party movement is simple. MSNBC.

    MSNBC goes to that crowd, one where there wasn’t a single arrest, and goes out of its way to find offensive signs. Most people do not have them.

    Now, lets switch over to the anti-Bush rallies. Most of the signs were offensive. (I’ve unfortunately been caught in one of those once in Ann Arbor.) MSNBC searches out the few respectable signs.

    I will prove it to you. I will go to the next Tea Party/9-12 rally here in Detroit as a reporter for the Rutherford Lawson Blog. Armed with my new video cam, I’ll let you be the judge.

  208. Elric,

    I am not trying to lure you into anything. You guys seem to think you are “deep” – I have seen no evidence of that. You throw out a lot of trash talk – and maybe you think it is deep. I prefer actual conversation about the issues.

    Rutherford is a very bright guy, and an articulate writer. It doesn’t have anything to do with his politics. I know that there are indeed some articulate writers on your side of the aisle – some of them comment on my blog regularly – though I know you find actual analysis and discussion of issues boring.

    I would love to see you put together some analysis similar to what Rutherford does. I am giving you the chance to do something other than trash talking here. I am not asking for much. I simply want you to define what you mean by “real” American. You seem to think you are one and I am not. I want to know why.

    No tricks here – just tell me what you think without the trash.

    — hippieprof

  209. “I didnt say he needed to do that. Im saying he is a coward for answering the question off the record when he was asked about it.”-elric

    I think the President has every right not to make official comments on MTV buffoonery.

    He’s not our pop culture czar.

  210. Sometimes I really envy you – hundreds of comments on every thread. Wow…. I would love that on my blog…
    Then – when I think of having to wade through this shit each and every day – I don’t envy you at all….

    LOL I once envied General Chen of ChenZhen’s Chamber for the lengthy discussions he provoked. Sometimes it is a matter of be careful what you wish for. 😉

    Every now and then there is a pearl hidden in the sh*t hole. Like a very revealing portrait of what it was like in Iraq, care of Gorilla … I’m still excited about that, or how policy effects real lives care of Rabbit. Intellectual challenges from Tex when he’s not being an ass hat. Even Elric makes me chuckle once in a while.

    Who knows, maybe I’m the optimist shoveling through the crap to find that little pony? 🙂

  211. “I think the President has every right not to make official comments on MTV buffoonery.

    He’s not our pop culture czar”

    Shhh dont give him ideas.

    Then he shouldnt have answered period. After all abortion is above his paygrade and he ducked that question. Sorry DR, it just gives an insight into who and what he is.

  212. “Shhh dont give him ideas.”

    lol…good point

    Your being too hard on him this time. Can’t just diss him for everything.

  213. I would pull a Kayne West if sensico won blogger of the year.

    Oh c’mon Rabbit … you didn’t go all the way man. You’ve got to finish it with “The Rutherford Lawson Blog is the best one ever. Boyeeeeeeeeeeeeee” 🙂

  214. Come one Elric, he called the man a jack ass….what more do you want. A celebrity death match?

    Obama gives that attention whore anymore then a good “off the record jack ass” and he’s playing right into West’s hand.

    This is exactly why no matter how rough it gets, I get a kick out of Rabbit. The man is not so blind with Obama-hate that he can’t exercise a bit of reason.

    Please man, I’m tellin’ you … no matter how much I piss you off, don’t ever go away. I need a “thinker” up in here!!

  215. “I’d make MSNBC and Fox less obviously partisan and do investigative journalism without a political agenda”-rutherford

    R.I.P Tim Russert

  216. Elric says: “So? I really could care less what you want to know.”

    Fine – but don’t go throwing around distinctions like “real” American unless you can justify them and are willing to do so.

    Of course, the reason you aren’t interested in answering is because you have no coherent answer to the question. Fine again. You will cover that deficiency with trash talk – and so will your buddies – but we all know you backed down from a challenge because you didn’t really have an answer.

    — hippieprof

  217. “Yes I can and I will. I have no respect for marxists.”

    Well, i suppose you can. But you can also cry wolf too. So much so that people start to skim your comments and all of sudden grave travesties and pop culture poop become synonymous. Your call.

  218. hippieprof

    I suppose you are addressing your comment towards me. I have not backed down from anything. I gave you a fair answer. On more then one level.

    What the hell is wrong with my answer?

  219. “But you can also cry wolf too”

    Havent been wrong about the POS so far. I knew what he was ever since it was released about his racist, antisemitic anti-American “church”.

  220. I will prove it to you. I will go to the next Tea Party/9-12 rally here in Detroit as a reporter for the Rutherford Lawson Blog. Armed with my new video cam, I’ll let you be the judge.

    I’m a cheapskate so I don’t pay the premium WordPress wants for me to upload my own videos. If it weren’t for that, I’d take you up on that offer.

    Is there a possibility that MSNBC sexes up the story for ratings? Sure. I’ve said as much in past comments. But I ask you Rabbit, why would you want to even be in a crowd with these assh*les, no matter how righteous you felt your cause was? Why would you want to be seen standing next to a guy whose sign said “We Came Unarmed (This Time)”? (My wife who usually keeps her cool had a real visceral reaction to that one.)

    I’ll tell you … and I know this will make me sound real wacko, but for the first time ever, tonight I wished I was able bodied enough to handle a firearm. Cos I swear if any of those crazy mofo’s threaten my home (and I can see it coming to that down the line), I want to be able to blow their ass away. Then his sign will read “I Came Armed and Left Dead”.

  221. DR says…”What the hell is wrong with my answer?”

    No – I was really addressing them toward Elric.

    I acknowledged that you made a good point – that the voice of small town Americans often goes unheard in political debate.

    I agree with you.

    I disagree with the implication that those voices are somehow more authentically American. They are certainly an important part of the whole – but their values are no more “real American values” than anyone else’s.

    — hippieprof

  222. I suppose you are addressing your comment towards me. I have not backed down from anything. I gave you a fair answer. On more then one level.

    Dag these threads can get confusing. No Rabbit, I think hippie was directing his comment at Elric who said he didn’t care what Hippieprof thought.

  223. Rutherford,

    You’re taking this Obama failure way too personally. Nobody is going to torch your house – you’re making the racial component of this up, as it makes a convenient excuse, albeit a tired one. Why don’t you simply admit Obama, while well spoken, just isn’t that bright and certainly isn’t in line with a great majority of the wishes of the country?

    Even Politico, a generally leftist shill of a blog, has opinion writers stating the obvious:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27134.html

    Now, my point of this whole matter. One year ago, when the shoe was on the other foot and George Bush was being called everything from Hitler to Mao to Ghenhis Khan, from asshole to baby killer, you were flying high, even bragging about the impeding doom of the Republican Party. It wasn’t six months ago I was hearing from your friends of the pompous ass/arrogant ilk to put a fork in it.

    You had no problem then with Bush being derided every minute, and unlike The Bomba,was the target of the MSM hacks with one baseless charge after another. To this day, the only time you’re in your element is to criticize. (Side note: no matter how much people like Curator and the Hippieprof deny it, the MSM is overwhelmingly in the tank for the Democratic party; to deny otherwise is an insult to intelligence).

    So I ask you a personal question now that you have proven to me that you were great in attack mode, but weak in rejection. A high scoring offense with a school girl defense. Was it worth it for you to be a small part of pushing us to the brink of civil war?

    It was your crowd that made this personal. It was your crowd that started with the lies and distortion. It was your crowd that beat the drum of American imperialism and the bad mouthing of our troops and military leaders. It was your crowd that referred to Bush as baby killer, murder, and oil thief.

    I think you were naive to expect the fawning of The Bomba to continue forever. Add to the fact that the man an empty shirt of rhetoric with simplistic cliches of “Hope & Change”, yet the meteoric rise, you were naive in believing once exposed as a fraud, The Bomba wouldn’t fall hard and fast. 😉

  224. gad…murderer; I think from this day forward, Tex will have to accept he can’t proofread worth a damn and leave it at that.

  225. Tex – I know your post was not directed at me, but I will respond anyway.

    It may surprise you (after all, I am a drone, right?), but I agree with quite a lot of what you say and with what is found in the Politico article.

    I think Obama read his own press releases and started to believe them. He badly underestimated the ability of the GOP to stage a comeback from the brink of disaster, and he badly underestimated the power of the disinformation campaign waged by the insurance industry. As a result he was caught flat footed and he frankly has not looked like much of a leader for the last 3 months. This shows a lack of experience in Washington – Hillary may have been right on that one.

    I like to believe that he gets it now, and that we will be seeing more leadership from him. I hope his speech last week was a first indication of that. My real wish is that he manages to push through sweeping health care reform. That is part of what I elected him to do. To do that, he (and a lot of other Democrats) need to be a lot less worried about reelection and a lot more worried about doing the right thing.

    The ironic part is that a failure to get health care reform done will hurt him politically more than would a success. I think he may actually realize that now. We will have to see.

    — hippieprof

  226. Hippieprof,

    Fair argument. While I don’t agree with Obama’s premise of how to change health care, there is no doubt the system broken and needs to be addressed.

    However, if the first item listed for change is not tort reform and limitation of liability, then the rest of it is not worth the paper it is written on. I estimate at least 30% of medical costs are created as the practice of defensive medicine. I also believe Medicare a disaster waiting to happen, complete with fraud and abuse, and government incapable of being the least bit efficient. IMHO, it is surely not the answer.

    Obviously, I don’t think Obama nearly as capable as you, and in fact believe as the heat progresses, he will struggle mightily to keep his temperature in check. I don’t believe Obama is a man of high character and a man not to be trusted. That goes for his entire administration.

    But I will apologize for making fun of your occupation as you seem reasonable enough. Understand, that if there is any profession I have less respect for than political hacks with illusions of grandeur, it is 75% of what is taught on college campuses. After 300 hours of college, I think most of it overrated and bogus.

  227. “He badly underestimated the ability of the GOP to stage a comeback from the brink of disaster, and he badly underestimated the power of the disinformation campaign waged by the insurance industry.”

    The GOP isnt doing anything, its the real American people rising up. And the only disinformation came from Thuggy and his goons.

  228. Elric says….. “its the real American people rising up. And the only disinformation came from Thuggy and his goons.”

    Remember, Ellie – you don’t get to keep saying “real Americas” until you define it.

  229. Tex….

    It would probably also surprise you that I support tort reform – and I believe it needs to be part of the package.

    The Gordian knot with tort reform is, of course, how do you separate the serious cases of malpractice from the BS lawsuits – especially in a court of law with a jury of non-experts? If a guy has the wrong kidney removed I want to see him live out his days in the luxury of being a multimillionaire – but cases such as these are probably very rare.

    A physician friend recently told me of a system in Indiana in which all medical malpractice cases must pass through a panel of medical experts before advancing to trial. The panel simply rates each case as “possibly malpractice” and “probably not malpractice.” Many of the BS lawsuits are screened out in the process, and parasitic PI attorneys are less likely to even file groundless lawsuits. It sounds like an interesting system – I need to do some additional research.

    I like to think most professors are not bombastic drones – though I indeed know there are some out there. In the end I really don’t care what my students believe as long as they critically examine the issues along the way.

    — hippieprof

  230. Now, my point of this whole matter. One year ago, when the shoe was on the other foot and George Bush was being called everything from Hitler to Mao to Ghenhis Khan, from asshole to baby killer,…

    You had no problem then with Bush being derided every minute, and unlike The Bomba,was the target of the MSM hacks with one baseless charge after another.

    Tex,

    I think everyone deplored the anti war left of their viciousness, however it is in their nature to attack the president when that president takes our nation to war…any war… and any president. Especially the Iraq war based on faulty, single sourced, and sometimes inflated, overstated, or unsupported intelligence. Or do you think the anti-war crowd did not have any leg to stand on?

    What baseless charges do you mean?

    Isn’t spying without court warrants on Americans in violation of both the US Constitution and the FISA statute.

    Isn’t the denial of habeas corpus, attorney-client privilege, due process, and Geneva Conventions protections something all American’s would hope our country would never do?

    Isn’t the use of torture to coerce confessions something we think happens in other countries?

    For all you rant about “Bush was attacked over and over again by the left” well he fucking earned it didn’t he, and it wasn’t just the left “asking questions” it was middle America asking why our foreign policy is so fucked up.

    Trillions of dollars spent, thousands of dead soldiers, and ten’s of thousands missing limbs all for installing “Democracy” in Iraq from the barrel of a gun.

    Yet in your opinion Bush does not deserve any scorn.

    …and Obama somehow deserves all these Tea party attacks and will ruin the county because of health care reform?

    REALLY?

  231. Elric….

    Indeed it isn’t communist Cuba. Good work!

    Why don’t you do some research on other countries it is also not? Maybe compile a list? That might keep you occupied for a bit while Tex and I try to have an intelligent conversation.

    — hippieprof

  232. Hippieprof

    Good luck getting Elric to write anything in his own words, or defend or debate any position. He is a copy/paste stooge for Ed Morrissey from the Michelle Malkin site HotAir. He cannot form any opinion himself and wont reply to your request.

    His pet nickname for Rutherford actually fits himself much better.

    Dodger – the Ed Morrissey Stooge

  233. Obamateurism of the Day
    posted at 8:05 am on September 15, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

    For several months, Barack Obama tried to assure Americans that ObamaCare would not mean that they had to give up their existing health-insurance plans. As the plan melted down in the August heat, Obama seemed to realize that people knew that a public option and the new “exchanges” would impact the choices their employers make — and since well over half of all Americans have employer-based coverage, that meant Obama’s guarantee simply wasn’t the truth. Instead of guaranteeing that people could keep their coverage and doctors, Obama changed the message on Wednesday to say that his plan wouldn’t require that they change either one.

    Unfortunately, Obama’s message shift had a relapse in Minneapolis on Saturday (via Jennifer Rubin and Mary Katharine Ham):

    Now let me be clear. Let me be clear. Let me be clear: It would only be an option. Nobody would be forced to choose it. No one with insurance would be affected by it. But what it would do is, it would provide more choice and more competition. (Applause.) It would keep pressure on private insurers to keep their policies affordable, to treat their customers better.

    Yes, people with insurance would be affected by it if their employers decided to dump them out of their current plan. It will also be affected by the restrictions in the exchange, as existing plans will not all qualify, but specifically, the public option allows employers to dump health insurance altogether, and the CBO estimates that millions will have that very problem if ObamaCare passes.

    Can Obama pick one message and stick with it? Even for just a week?

    Nope he is a liar.

  234. Valerie Jarrett: The Next Van Jones By: Ben Johnson
    FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, September 14, 2009

    Many have wondered how ANYONE AS EXTREME AS Obama’S “Green Jobs Czar” Van Jones – a self-described “Communist” obsessed with racial conspiracy theories – could have been named to head a federal agency. David Horowitz described the radicalization of the Democratic Party as the appointment’s subtext. Closer to the fore, Jones owed his elevation to another new factor: the unparalleled influence of Valerie Jarrett. To call Jarrett a presidential adviser, even a close adviser, is misleading. She is an alter ego, an inner conscience, a touchstone of clarity for both President Obama and first lady Michelle. In the frenzy of the presidency, she reminds both Obamas of their identity and deepest-held beliefs. In exchange, the president makes no decision without her and has said she can “speak for me.” Unfortunately, she is also a racially polarizing elitist. She obtained her first foothold in Chicago politics through the patronage of a former SDS radical who regrets “nothing” about her role in the Days of Rage and ventured in 2003 that she “would probably reject violence as a useful form of revolution.” The same radical tried to persuade Rod Blagojevich to name Jarrett to Obama’s empty senate seat. Instead, Jarrett has served as a conduit of far-leftists into the administration.

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=36289

  235. “…and Obama somehow deserves all these Tea party attacks and will ruin the county because of health care reform?”

    Its more than just health care “reform” but you know that jackass.

  236. ACORN drops tarnished name and moves to silence critics
    By: Kevin Mooney
    Commentary Staff Writer
    06/21/09 5:07 PM EDT

    Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now (ACORN) leaders are using the threat of a law suit to silence and intimidate critics, according to current and former members of the liberal activist group.
    In a letter dated June 11 an attorney for ACORN advised top whistleblowers that their unauthorized use of the organization’s name could make them liable for monetary damages and injunctive relief.

    ACORN executives have also changed their organization’s name, which was tarnished by investigations in at least 14 states of allegations of voter registration fraud during the 2008 presidential campaign, and charges by current and former members of financial mismanagement and misrepresentation.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/ACORN-drops-tarnished-name-and-moves-to-silence-critics-48730537.html

    Too late, we are on to these brownshirts

  237. Malaysia: Muslim Man Sentenced to One Year in Jail, Caned 6 Times for Drinking Alcohol….

    A Malaysian Islamic court judge has sentenced a Muslim man to be caned for drinking alcohol.

    Abdul Rahman Mohd Yunos, a sharia high court judge in Pahang state, ordered Nazarudin Kamaruddin, 46, to be jailed for one year and be caned six times, the New Straits Times reported on Tuesday.

    Nazarudin, a permanent resident from Indonesia, pleaded guilty to drinking alcohol on August 27 at a restaurant that was raided by officers from the Pahang religious department.

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/09/malaysia-muslim-man-sentenced-to-one-year-in-jail-caned-6-times-for-drinking-alcohol.html

    I wonder if this is one of those “moderate” islamic countries Curator was talking about.

  238. Understand, that if there is any profession I have less respect for than political hacks with illusions of grandeur, it is 75% of what is taught on college campuses.

    Tex, actually the phrase is “delusions of grandeur” not “illusions”. Perhaps you should have paid more attention to that 75% of the curriculum you disdained so much. 😉

    P.S. Yeah I know, cheap shot, but I just couldn’t resist. 🙂

  239. Curator,

    You parrot the MSM. If I didn’t know better, I’d swear you related to Keith Olbermann.

    First, I don’t believe laws were broken. But assuming you are correct for a minute, we aren’t talking about jaywalkers here, so I really do not give a damn if Khalid Sheik Mohammad and his pack of butchers were denied habeas corpus, attorney-client privilege, due process, and Geneva Conventions protections.

    But you do epitomize why I hate the left so. I don’t believe for a second in your heart-of-hearts you care about poor Khalid’s rights. I believe you’re so full of hatred for conservatives with dreamed up reasons (somehow you’ve been burned) that you use those lame examples, most unproven, as ammunition to bash conservatives. In your mind, conservatives much worse than pure evil killers intent on destroying this country. And if they succeed, may I remind you that your beloved Constitution will mean little?

    If you believe the same of me, why don’t we work together before separating ourselves? Because I promise you, if given the chance, I’ll hang you out to dry and you will live out your remaining years for as long as they last with the butchers. You will be praying to Allah and crawling to Mecca, or having your head removed from your body with a saw. Either way, I consider you the enemy. You try and remember that when you address me.

    And one very important thing. I don’t give a damn what you think of me.

  240. Tex, regarding how Bush was treated, should the future of our country really be based on tit for tat politics, if one accepts your assessment of how badly Bush was treated? “Let’s attack Obama at every turn because Bush was treated badly. Nah-nah nah-nah nah!”

    Sounds pretty juvenile to me. And you’ve yet to answer my question. Where were all the fiscally conservative regular Joe Blow’s the past 8 years as stuff got increasingly worse? Where were the marches on Washington then?

    Oh, on the “nothing racist here” debate … how about the sign on Saturday that contrasted “an African lion” with a “lyin’ African”. Lots of yuk-yuks there huh?

  241. Rutherford,

    I don’t approve of the signs (though I understand they were few in number).

    It lowers us to your level. As far as Bush fiscal conservatism, have you witnessed me defend Bush’s spending? But try and remember the fact, Obama has made the problem four times worse. 😉

  242. Curator….

    Yeah – I am starting to figure Elric out….

    This is something like joining a pick-up basketball game in which everyone (except you) already knows everyone else.

    Tex and DR talk to some trash – but they got game….

    Elric, on the other hand, is the trash-talker who has nothing else….

    — hippieprof

  243. …have you witnessed me defend Bush’s spending?

    Totally beside the point. Why wasn’t there a march on Washington? What is it in Obama’s “personality” that suddenly awoke the sleeping fed-up upset-about-spending regular Joe Blow’s in this country?

  244. Rutherford,

    I believe you would find both correct. But in my haste, I would say you are more correct and your choice the more common.

    If this gotcha moment gives you a thrill, so be it. However, your thrill will be short lived with the debt collector comes knocking as you completed your bachelors with 100% approval….

  245. Rutherford,

    Curator can kiss my ass. If here, I’d give him the opportunity.

    I’ve grown weary of his being…and his brashness. If not so rushed this morning, I’d tell him what I really thought of him. 😉

  246. “What is it in Obama’s “personality” that suddenly awoke the sleeping fed-up upset-about-spending regular Joe Blow’s in this country?”

    That he is a friggin marxist, thats why.

  247. We can talk about the Iraq war if you want, but before you commit yourself to it, don’t forget the context of the time, what we knew, what we didn’t know and what environment we were/are in.

    You made a comment earlier about liberals and Dems being different somehow than the anti-war left. Even after comments made by Kerry of US soldiers “terrorizing” Iraqis, or Durbin’s gulag comments. How about Pelosi’s multiple anti-war comments? Obama, like Kerry, was for the war before he was against the war, so what gives?

    Isn’t spying without court warrants on Americans in violation of both the US Constitution and the FISA statute.

    Isn’t the denial of habeas corpus, attorney-client privilege, due process, and Geneva Conventions protections something all American’s would hope our country would never do?

    Isn’t the use of torture to coerce confessions something we think happens in other countries?” – Curator

    I assume you mean the wire surveillance program, the same one that Obama has not only continued under the same legal justifications Bush used, but has also justified under expanded Executive privilege.

    In light of the recent raid in New York, maybe this isn’t such a bad thing, eh?

    There is debate on whether or not a terrorist captured in a war zone qualifies for Geneva convention protections, most think they do not. Attorney client privilege? I don’t suppose you’ve been monitoring the growing volume of former GITMO detainees who are returning to al-Qaeda to fight again. I don’t know about you, but I’m not surprised. And before you go on some rant about torture, why don’t you tell me what the definition of torture is. The worst you can call “torture” is water boarding, which simulates drowning. Key word, simulates. It’s been used three times on I believe two people. Now, we can certainly debate whether or not it is or isn’t torture, but to conclude some culture of torture from three events is rather melodramatic.

    I’ve heard other bemoan bright lights or total darkness, loud music, etc. The point is to take these guys out of their psychological comfort zone- they train counter interrogation techniques- so…

    I notice there were little to no comments to my comments on why we needed to gather emergency intel on AQ post 9/11 because there was a dearth of information. The White House assuming control of interrogations and putting the FBI in charge of it will only bring us back into the pre-9/11 environment of when terrorism was treated as a crime versus an act of war. That is dangerous.

    For all you rant about “Bush was attacked over and over again by the left” well he fucking earned it didn’t he, and it wasn’t just the left “asking questions” it was middle America asking why our foreign policy is so fucked up.

    Trillions of dollars spent, thousands of dead soldiers, and ten’s of thousands missing limbs all for installing “Democracy” in Iraq from the barrel of a gun.

    Yet in your opinion Bush does not deserve any scorn.

    …and Obama somehow deserves all these Tea party attacks and will ruin the county because of health care reform?

    REALLY?” – Curator

    So what are you bitching about the protests to Obama? He’s certainly earned it. Well it isn’t just the right asking questions, it middle America asking why his domestic policy is so fucked up. In case you haven’t noticed, unemployment is still going up, GDP is still going down, and deficit spending is skyrocketing.

    I’ll tell you what, I can count on one hand the number of times I was angrily yelled at by Iraqis for Operation Iraqi Freedom. I can’t count how many times I was thanked. So just keep your “democracy from the barrel of a gun” comments securely holstered in the armchair.

    Again, I don’t think I’ve heard anyone say they were not frustrated with Bush policies who that he doesn’t deserve some criticism. We’re simply pointing out that Bush was treated far worse than Obama has been thus far, so stop crying foul.

    Obama does deserve these tea parties, Bush deserved them too to be frank, and yes, out of control spending is going to ruin this country. After the latest spat of videos showing ACORN criminal behavior, we still have Dems voting against pulling funding from them. Seriously, one of the most blatantly corrupt, dishonest organizations ever and we’re still debating whether or not they should be receiving federal money? Really?

  248. Again Gorilla, we have this double standard in this nation on whats appropriate for the the left and for the right. Which is one of the things fueling these tea parties. You know, like these condescending MSM jerkoffs calling the protesters “tea baggers” and “racists”.

  249. Curator can kiss my ass.

    Once again, Tex you puzzle me. I can see how you could dismiss out-of-the-womb liberals. You view them as hopelessly lost. But Curator was on your team back in the day. He was disappointed to the point of disgust. Shouldn’t that tell you a bit about your team?

    You see, this is where you are being real short-sighted. Your team is dwindling by the minute. That’s why the only ones left are the nutjobs like Wilson and Bachmann. That is why you have no leader. Who wants to lead The Bad News Bears?

    I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. Until you have some intelligent, slightly more socially moderate voices speaking for your party, it will be doomed. Furthermore, until some Repub has the balls to call out Rush Limbaugh for the windbag that he is, doom is all you can look foward to! 👿

  250. That he is a friggin marxist, thats why.

    Elric I admire your estimation of American intellect but I’m sorry dude, the average Joe Blow doesn’t know what Marxism is.

    OK, your turn … try another excuse,

  251. Good, I want him to fail. Including his kidneys.

    Mmmm, I’ve never wished Sarah Palin dead. You’ve outdone me Elric on your obsession. You’re also setting yourself up as a “prime suspect” should anything every “happen”. I’d tamp down the rhetoric if I were you.

  252. Khalid Sheik Mohammad can rot in prison.

    Blame the MSM. Tex you are a very typical, ill informed wingnut. How about if I parrot the Senate Armed Services Committee’s Inquiry into the Treatment of Detainees in U.S. Custody?

    Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld’s authorization of aggressive interrogation techniques for use at Guantanamo Bay was a direct cause of detainee abuse there.

    Special Mission Unit (SMU) Task Force (TF) interrogation policies were influenced by the Secretary of Defense’s December 2, 2002 approval of aggressive interrogation techniques for use at GTMO

    SMU TF policies were a direct cause of detainee abuse and influenced interrogation policies at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere in Iraq.

    Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld’s December 2, 2002 authorization of aggressive interrogation techniques and subsequent interrogation policies and plans approved by senior military and civilian officials conveyed the message that physical pressures and degradation were
    appropriate treatment for detainees in U.S. military custody. What followed was an erosion in standards dictating that detainees be treated humanely.

    It has been reported that perhaps hundreds of detainees whom the U.S. wrongfully imprisoned in Afghanistan, Gitmo, and elsewhere was based on flimsy or fabricated evidence, old personal scores between tribal Afghan factions or bounty payments. The Bush administration knew that many of the prisoners there weren’t “the worst of the worst.” and even our own Secretary of the Army Thomas White said, it was obvious that at least a third of the population didn’t belong there.

    “There were Afghans being sent to Guantanamo because of bad intelligence,” said Helaluddin Helal, Afghanistan’s deputy interior minister for security from 2002 to early 2004. “In the beginning, everyone was trying to give intelligence to the Americans … the Americans were taking action without checking this information.”

    Ghalib Hassan was an Interior Ministry-appointed district commander in Afghanistan’s Nangarhar province, a man who’d risked his life to help the U.S.-backed government. Din Mohammed, the former governor of that province and now the governor of Kabul, said there was no question that local tribal leaders fed false information to local informants used by American troops.

    Army Spc. Eric Barclais, who was a military intelligence interrogator at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan from September 2002 through January 2003, told military investigators in sworn testimony that “We recommended lots of folks be released from (Bagram), but they were not. I believe some people ended up at (Guantanamo) that had no business being sent there.”

    It is painfully obvious to anyone with a brain that Bush/Cheney denied habeas corpus, attorney-client privilege, or due process to anyone imprisoned at Gitmo or Bagram, or any of our other black sites. None of these people were given any opportunity to defend themselves in any court of law, and our own Army probed into 33 cases involving the deaths of 32 detainees in Iraq and five in Afghanistan involving blunt force trauma and asphyxiation.

    Are these example “dreamed up”, “lame” or “unproven”? They come from our own findings into detainee abuse.

    But alas we cannot hold nor display any public scorn for President Bush because all of this. He is above reproach. He is a shining example of righteousness.

    You are so full of shite.

  253. Obama, like Kerry, was for the war before he was against the war, so what gives?

    Whoooooaaa Gorilla, where did you ever get that one? The primary thing that differentiated Obama from Clinton, and in my estimation secured his nomination was that he always opposed the Iraq war. It was Clinton who favored it. If I’m wrong, please provide documentation to disprove me.

  254. …post 9/11 because there was a dearth of information.

    Why was there a dearth of information? Why did it take the loss of 3000 lives in the worst domestic terror strike in our history for us to beef up intelligence? Why after the first WTC attack didn’t we stay vigilant? Bottom line the Clinton and Bush administrations let us down. If we’d been doing our job, maybe folks wouldn’t have felt the need to resort to torture post 9/11?

  255. I truly wish you had the pleasure and joy of dealing with detainees. You must be under the impression that it was easy to tell the angels from the demons by the wings and horns respectively.

    We were/are very aware of personal vendetas being used against others and we’ve worked very hard on that. Rarely, in fact I cannot think of any instance, where we detained someone just because. Every single one were pulled off of an objective that was involved in the insurgency.

    This is just like the argument AQ uses about predator strikes- look at all the poor civilians killed. Well, yes, and it is quite unfortunate, especially since AQ routinely surrounds themselves with their families since they know we will hold back our shots.

    Some folks will get rolled who are just in the wrong place at the wrong time, and they are processed, cleared and released very quickly. Those left have blood on their hands.

  256. Obama does deserve these tea parties, Bush deserved them too to be frank

    Yes, he deserved them too and didn’t get them and no one here can give me a good reason why. Could it possibly be that when a black man takes over the sinking ship, suddenly everyone gets their panties in a knot?

    You can’t accuse me of playing the race card until you provide a viable alternative. Why not tea parties for Bush? Why? Why?

  257. “OK, your turn … try another excuse”

    Not my fault drones dont understand what marxism is.

    “Mmmm, I’ve never wished Sarah Palin dead. You’ve outdone me Elric on your obsession.”

    What? Its only funny when Wanda Sykes says it and Thuggy gets a chuckle out of it? My such hypocrisy.

  258. “Could it possibly be that when a black man takes over the sinking ship, suddenly everyone gets their panties in a knot?”

    What black man?

    Ohh and you busted us Dodger. If a white guy was doing all this crap we would just be loving it.

    God you are so friggin stupid its amazing.

  259. Video: Republican pushback on czars begins
    posted at 11:36 am on September 15, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    After the resignation of Van Jones over his 9/11 Truther connections, Republicans feel energized to tackle what they see as the greatest abuse of power in the Obama administration: the proliferation of czars. Fittingly, it starts in the Senate, the legislative body Barack Obama has bypassed with his proliferation of unaccountable commissars in government. Yesterday, Lamar Alexander (R-TN) delivered a blistering attack on the apparatchiks of Obama’s government and the way it undermines the checks and balances in the system:

    According to news accounts, there are 32 or 34 so-called czars in the Obama White House. Respected voices in the Senate—Senator Byrd and Senator Hutchison, a senior Democrat and a senior Republican—have pointed out that these czars are an affront to the Constitution. They’re anti-democratic. They are a poor example of a new era of transparency which was promised to this country. They are a poor way to manage the government and they seem to me to be the principal symptom of this administrations eight-month record of too many Washington takeovers.

    Hmmm even Byrd thinks its unconstitutional. But Byrd was in the KKK. Maybe its just because Thuggy is “black”. Right Dodger?

  260. Is Obama the next Herbert Hoover?
    posted at 10:55 am on September 15, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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    The last President to initiate a trade war during a recession wound up creating the biggest economic catastrophe in American history. Yet the current President appears to have ignored the lesson of Herbert Hoover and the Smoot-Hawley Act in slapping tariffs on China and its tire exports while the economy struggles to come back to life after a deep recession. The Wall Street Journal wonders where Barack Obama is leading the US, or whether Obama wants to lead at all:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/15/is-obama-the-next-herbert-hoover/

    Thuggy wants to lead us to ruin.

  261. Yes, he deserved them too and didn’t get them and no one here can give me a good reason why. Could it possibly be that when a black man takes over the sinking ship, suddenly everyone gets their panties in a knot?

    You can’t accuse me of playing the race card until you provide a viable alternative. Why not tea parties for Bush? Why? Why?” — R

    My belief, the anti-war/anti-Bush protests. I don’t think anyone would want to be associated with that ilk and those rallies would have certainly been hijacked by anarchists, communists and the anti-war left.

    Also, I think that when they sat back and looked at the alternatives- Dems- the devil they knew seemed far better than the other devil they knew. Again, I think this is a great example of how you on the left have completely misread the ’08 elections.

    — Obama’s relative immunity to critical media coverage
    — McCain’s attrocious campaign management
    — The GOP’s failure to select a conservative
    — The GOP’s failure to govern according to their core principles

    The people voted to throw out the republicans who had failed to govern conservatively- they didn’t move to the left and embrace liberalism. Hence you see the population push back against Obama’s liberal moves- this isn’t what they voted for.

    The same excuse used by the left and Obama supporters for his policies- the absolute fear of total economic collapse justified Obama’s drastic measures- is just as applicable to Obama’s election- the absolute fear of total economic collapse justified trusting the rhetoric of an untried but APPARENTLY different politician. Apparently, a very large portion of the country- especially among independents- are having buyers remorse and Obama’s numbers plummet.

    Does that answer your question?

    We’ll see, I stand by my prediction that the Dems will suffer serious losses in 2010, probably losing one of the chambers of Congress (likely the House). Obama will be challenged in the 2012 primaries (I think Hillary will be the challenger) and will have one hell of a fight.

  262. “Obama will be challenged in the 2012 primaries (I think Hillary will be the challenger) and will have one hell of a fight.”

    That I have to disagree with. Thuggy will be such damaged goods that no one connected to his failed policies will stand a chance. My guess is he will be challenged in the primaries but by a true moderate unknown. Thats the only chance they have in keeping the White House. Now where the hell they will find a moderate democrat is an interesting question. Will have to be a governor because Thuggy is the reason you dont elect Senators. Especially ones with so little experience.

  263. Cap-and-trade bill will hurt farmers — and consumers
    posted at 12:55 pm on September 15, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

    Democrats already have a problem with coal-producing states over their cap-and-trade bill, and Harry Reid will likely find the Senate Democrats from those states less than enthused about killing their local economies. Senators from agricultural states may want to take a close look, too. A new study shows that, while some farmers may gain in the short term through the sale of carbon credits, the cap-and-trade system will hurt a wide swath of the American agricultural sector:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/15/cap-and-trade-bill-will-hurt-farmers-and-consumers/

    Regressivism hurts everyone but the lib elites

  264. Curator,

    You’re so damned worried about these detainees, if I can line up you getting to care for them, why don’t you send your address and maybe we can work something out? You can prove me wrong and show us how special these choir boys are.

    Not only are you a traitorous POS, you’re a political and cowardly POS and a phony. Like I said, I have more respect for Abdul, the head lopper. He’s less a threat to the well being of my children then an Arnold Benedict tyep asshole like you.

  265. 😆

    Now this is one screw up I do need to fix. I used to live next to an Arnold Benedict (no shit).

    CURATOR = BENEDICT ARNOLD (a cowardly one).

  266. Obama Is Pushing Israel Toward War
    President Obama can’t outsource matters of war and peace to another state.

    By BRET STEPHENS

    Events are fast pushing Israel toward a pre-emptive military strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities, probably by next spring. That strike could well fail. Or it could succeed at the price of oil at $300 a barrel, a Middle East war, and American servicemen caught in between. So why is the Obama administration doing everything it can to speed the war process along?

    At July’s G-8 summit in Italy, Iran was given a September deadline to start negotiations over its nuclear programs. Last week, Iran gave its answer: No.

    Instead, what Tehran offered was a five-page document that was the diplomatic equivalent of a giant kiss-off. It begins by lamenting the “ungodly ways of thinking prevailing in global relations” and proceeds to offer comprehensive talks on a variety of subjects: democracy, human rights, disarmament, terrorism, “respect for the rights of nations,” and other areas where Iran is a paragon. Conspicuously absent from the document is any mention of Iran’s nuclear program, now at the so-called breakout point, which both Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his boss Ali Khamenei insist is not up for discussion.

    What’s an American president to do in the face of this nonstarter of a document? What else, but pretend it isn’t a nonstarter. Talks begin Oct. 1.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203917304574410672271269390.html

    Yes, why is he Dodger?

  267. Oh Tex, usually you don’t pull an Elric and you read articles before you post them. The police captain revised his opinion and said the attack was not racially motivated. On the contrary, the only racism at play in Belleville is white on black:

    Belleville has had a long history of racial turmoil, with a past that includes police harassment of black motorists, cross burnings and discrimination in city hiring.

    The divide began a century ago, in 1903, when a black man was lynched by a mob of 5,000 people in the town square, set on fire and dismembered.

    You do need to read before you post. And hey … pay attention to your teacher. I don’t need the guilt trip of your pulling out someone’s kidney instead of their adrenal gland because you were commenting on my blog during anatomy class. 🙂

  268. Oh regarding “Arnold Benedict” I have clearly read too many of Tex’s typos cos I read that exactly as he intended …. didn’t even notice the reversal.

    But a more important question …. what the hell were Mr. and Mrs. Benedict thinking when they named their son Arnold?

  269. “The police captain revised his opinion and said the attack was not racially motivated.”

    Of course not. Its only racially motivated when its white on black.

  270. Well, Elric it should warm your knickers that ACORN is getting some serious scrutiny now.

    I know you loath MSNBC (even though you can’t watch it) but I’ve gotta tell you if you want fair and balanced, you ought to try segments of “Morning Joe” on the web. The host is Joe Scarborough, a former Republican representative from Florida. He calls out Democratic BS whenever he sees it and he’s counterbalanced by more liberal co-hosts and guests, but it is clearly his show.

    I bring this up because Scarborough was royally pissed this morning that the MSM has been so late to report on ACORN (he mentioned Van Jones as another example).

  271. They can buy health insurance wherever the hell they came from. This country cant survive this. We are too divided.

    And your point is? You should be dancing the jig around your basement right now. The legislators heard Joe Blow’s cry and are firming up the language on both illegals and abortions.

    Oh no, if the legislation actually changes to satisfy some of your concerns, whatever will you bitch about next?

  272. “Oh no, if the legislation actually changes to satisfy some of your concerns, whatever will you bitch about next?”

    The point is they wanted to cover illegals and abortion in the first place. And in all honesty I dont trust them not to put it back in.

  273. This is what I love about WZ. They post a headline and then post a story that clearly contradicts the headline. What weasels!!! 🙂

    While the voice on the tape does not mention this book by name, it calls on Americans to “read what your former president, Carter, wrote regarding Israeli racism against our people in Palestine,” in a characterization of the book that goes beyond Mr. Carter’s own language.

  274. Because unlike you, we know what book he is referring too. And of course its very telling you arent offended that the mastermind of 9-11 is using a former US president’s book to further the jihadist propaganda.

    Real Americans would find it disturbing.

  275. And of course its very telling you arent offended that the mastermind of 9-11 is using a former US president’s book to further the jihadist propaganda.

    Please tell me what is offensive about it? It’s politics 101. You use your enemies words against him. I’d expect no less from Osama Bin Laden.

    Oh by the way Elric … is he still dead? 😉

  276. But a more important question …. what the hell were Mr. and Mrs. Benedict thinking when they named their son Arnold?

    “R”, the same question went through my mind many a time. However, old Arnold was a very nice man. Once, I hit a rock mowing my lawn and sent it about 20′ right ithru his bedroom window.

    The old boy fixed it himself and all he wanted was a cup of coffee in return. How can you not like a man like that?

  277. By the way “R”, contrary to the police report (some guy caved), I see a bunch of black faces cheering on a white kid getting stomped.

    Now, you are going to ask me to believe race played no part in the cheering on the vitriol? Do my eyes lie too? Undoubtedly, you never had to ride something like a school bus. That was going on when I was going to high school. Some things never change and probably never will.

  278. Now, you are going to ask me to believe race played no part in the cheering on the vitriol?

    I’m perfectly willing to draw a reasonable race based conclusion provided you are too. 😉

  279. It’s brew season again. Time to strike a massive 10 gallon boil in a converted keg and go to town. My neighbors think I’m running a crystal meth lab, but fuck ‘um.

    In honor of the Tea Party Movement, I will be referring to Libations of the Eighteenth Century: A Concise Manual For The Brewing Of Authentic Beverages From The Colonial Era of America, And Of Times Past by David Alan Woolsey.

    By Christmas, Rabbit and his 4 brothers will be pounding this years’ creation: Dead Rabbit’s Old Tippecanoe Hard Cider. Extra Credit for anyone who knows the history behind the name.

    I will, of course, also make my Thanksgiving Mild Ale made from all grain.

    For me, brewing is actually stressful. But, seeing those yeasties turn two 5 gallon carboys into lava lamps makes it all worth it.

  280. Who knows, maybe we will have some back strap this year too?

    I missed my buck last year due to a lack of patience. I’m a terrible fricking shot. 25 yards or Rabbit misses with a slug.Yup, I’m that bad. My heart races and I shake like a school girl. This time, I will let him walk close enough that I can fucking tackle him.

  281. Not only are you a traitorous POS, you’re a political and cowardly POS and a phony. Like I said, I have more respect for Abdul, the head lopper. He’s less a threat to the well being of my children then an Arnold Benedict tyep asshole like you.

    Didn’t have an answer so you resort to more trash talk. I thought you an I got beyond that? How Elric of you.

    So you wish me dead, say I’m a coward, a traitor, and a phony.

    Because why… the GOP swung so far to the Right and left all us moderates in the dust?

    Do you just not like what the Senate Armed Services Committee found, and so anyone who uses those findings is somehow a traitor and a coward?

    Are these the words of a coward?

    “What sets us apart from our enemies in this fight… is how we behave. In everything we do, we must observe the standards and values that dictate that we treat noncombatants and detainees with dignity and respect. While we are warriors, we are also all human beings”

  282. …but what does Hippieprof teach?

    Don’t know. Maybe economics.

    Here is a question for anybody for serious debate.

    Who won in this economic downturn?

    Keynes or Adam Smith?

  283. Psychology – with a specialty in animal behavior – and a sub-specialty in behavioral economics – so not a bad guess.

    As far as who won in this downturn? Well – Adam Smith lost because laissez-faire failed. Greenspan even admitted that. It will take a while to know whether Keynes wins or not.

    Unfortunately, with real-world economics you don’t get a control group.

    — hippieprof

  284. @HP curious if you hold any beliefs that companies trying to escape regulations ,interventions,etc. truly represents any thought we’ve been living in an Laissez faire world.

  285. Old Tippecanoe Hard Cider

    First, scout’s honor, I’m writing this without reading any of the subsequent comments so if someone beat me to it, so be it.

    I don’t know why a hard cider would be named after him, but Old Tippecanoe is of course the first President to die in office, William Henry Harrison. His campaign slogan was “Tippecanoe and Tyler Too”, the Tyler being the VP candidate John Tyler, who ended up being the first VP to succeed to the presidency upon the death of another. He was urged to be “acting President” by his opposition and our country owes Tyler a great debt in that he stuck to his guns and demanded to be called a full President.

    Tippecanoe came from the Battle of Tippecanoe which had made Harrison a war hero. I don’t know which war that battle took place in … perhaps French and Indian? That’s as far as my memory goes.

    P.S. As a kid I was quite the Presidential buff, but age has drained lots from my mind. Still I can pretty accurately name all the Pres’s in order.

  286. Keynes or Adam Smith?

    I’m woefully ignorant about economics but I will quote two scholars whom I saw on TV today both of whom said Keynes wins. Without government intervention, markets become the victim of fickle emotion and crisis ensues,

  287. Alfie, interesting link on Ricardo. Never heard of him (which probably isn’t saying much in light of my recent confession). Would it be fair to say he has a behavioral approach to economics. In other words, human nature indicating that folks know an oncoming tax hike when they see one despite the best efforts of the government?

    Also, in reference to your question to Hippieprof, doesn’t the whole notion of Laissez faire imply ethical people? Can a Laissez faire system really work if the players are out to get as much as they can regardless of who gets hurt?

  288. Rutherford,

    That was going to be my answer too (I remember learning this in gradeschool) – but I actually thought it was going to be something more obscure – like Harrison liked hard cider or something.

    — hippieprof

  289. R. I was coming from a comparative history angle. I don’t accept we’ve had L.A politics since Coolidge. History joke in there somewhere)
    Specifically for this downturn an honest person has to accept that there was regulatory/intervention programs that helped create the problem both directly as well as indirectly
    And back to Ricardo. I find views I like and share them. I’m no economist and I can’t try to play one on the net.

  290. Rutherford,

    I think laissez-faire is pretty much an amoral system – though Ayn Rand and others might argue that indeed a free market creates a type of objective morality.

    Laissez-faire at very least assumes that people act in their own best interests. Unfortunately, someone who is greedy is often blind to their own best interests. They think they are smarter than the market, but they aren’t.

    For example, they might make what they know to be a risky investment – thinking they are smart enough to get out before the market turns. Unfortunately, lots of other greedy people are making the same assessment, and the market turns too quickly – and a crash occurs. That is essentially what we saw last fall.

    — hp

  291. It’s about being of the common man sitting in a log cabin and drinking hard cider as opposed to be an elitist turd like van Buren.
    Rabbit could be travelling on deeper paths here too. Whigs,ineffective government meddling,empty populist campaigning,I don’t know.

  292. Well maybe that’s part of my problem. Americans have not experienced that. As for Ayn Rand that was actually a sub form called Objectivism if I remember right. It had FP implications and actually supported some regulations. I’m in discussion mode here not debate per se.I consider myself a tad diff than some of the other thread residents. I’m open to learning I’m not trying to win here necessarily.Reading that I feel the need to stress that that is not meant to be an insult in any way. I just got my own drum fer sure.
    Curious if you have anything for me on my earlier query. Seriously Barney Frank ??? CRA??? Anything ?
    Also far better than a WZ link I offer this:
    “Too Big to Fail” Must Die It’s from CityJournal. Me being me I see where a group of bipartisan types could find common ground in it. Just sharing totally worth a skim at a min.

  293. Alfie,

    I am in discussion mode all of the time – and debate for me is really about exploring ideas and perhaps learning stuff in the process. It isn’t really about winning, even of it does seem competitive at times.

    I agree we haven’t had a truly free market in a long time – but I also think the collapse this fall might have been avoided if we had some additional regulatory oversight, not less. There were certainly plenty of special interests pouring big bucks into seeing that reform didn’t occur (sound familiar – same thing is happening now in health care). Barney Frank was certainly complicit – as were a lot of other people.

    In the end, though – I think what we needed was more regulation, not less.

    — hippieprof

  294. “Please tell me what is offensive about it? It’s politics 101. You use your enemies words against him. I’d expect no less from Osama Bin Laden.”

    That al-Qaeda finds Dhimmi’s Carter book fitting enough to use it as propaganda.

    “Oh by the way Elric … is he still dead?”

    Yes he is. Just some al-Qaeda thug standing in for Bin Laden pimping Dhimmi Carter’s book.

  295. ‘Pimp And ‘Ho’ Reach CA: Meet ACORN Worker That Admits To Killing Her Husband…She Also Gives Names Of The People In Power She Works With…

    Thuggy trained them well. Bonus point. Seven demomarxists still think tax payer money should go to these thugs.

  296. “What sets us apart from our enemies in this fight… is how we behave. In everything we do, we must observe the standards and values that dictate that we treat noncombatants and detainees with dignity and respect. While we are warriors, we are also all human beings”

    Uh huh. Great words…and I do respect Petraeus for his accomplishment in Iraq. However, I reserve the right to disagree with the man, and in this regard not only think Petraeus the consummate politician ala Colin Powell, but also the consummate fool with a miserable understanding of radical Islam. He should take a cue from Benjamin Netanyahu.

    Concerning you Curator, I consider you the enemy pure and simple. Rutherford is quickly getting there and has proven to me that he is considerably weaker as a person than I first believed.

    Your ilk endangers the ones I love; your beliefs completely contrary to mine. The only thing you and I share Curator (I believe) is the same country of birth.

  297. “What sets us apart from our enemies in this fight… is how we behave. In everything we do, we must observe the standards and values that dictate that we treat noncombatants and detainees with dignity and respect. While we are warriors, we are also all human beings”

    Dumbest quote I read in quite awhile

  298. “Concerning you Curator, I consider you the enemy pure and simple. Rutherford is quickly getting there and has proven to me that he is considerably weaker as a person than I first believed.”

    I knew you would catch on Tex.

  299. Listen to these fools thinking government intervention of economics solves much of anything. Anybody remember the Jimmah Carter days of gas rationing and the windfall profits tax only passed to the consumer? Anybody remember about 12 months ago something called Fannie Mae and Sallie Mae? 😮

    You think government regulation is the answer? Then answer me this. What good did the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002 (the most overwhelming regulation of financial reporting implemented the last 30 years) do to stop the melt down last year? You remember Sarbanes-Oxley, don’t you? Was going to make balance sheets more transparent? Oh, but it did become a boondoggle.

    Laughably wrong…

  300. Tex,

    Insanity is repeating the same thing over and over and expecting different results. These regressives are insane. I bet professor bong forgets that Bush and McCain warned about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac but the demomarxists said everything was fine. Coincidently, quite a few of the demomarxists got huge campaign donations from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, including Thuggy.

  301. Georgia Democrat Congressman Hank Johnson Reacting To Wilson’s ‘You Lie’ Comment: ‘Guess We’ll Probably Have Folks Putting On White Hoods And White Uniforms Now’. . .

    Demomarxists must be getting scared because they are certainly ramping up the race card like the good little racists that they are.

  302. Tex….

    We can debate forever on whether SOX was a good or a bad idea – and it is probably too soon to make a final assessment As I remember, it was passed by a substantial margin in both houses during a Republican administration. It certainly did not stop the economic meltdown, that is for sure.

    Out of curiosity, though – explain how less regulation would have kept the meltdown from occurring.

    — hp

  303. Elric,

    I do remember that Bush and McCain caved to the special interests and did not get a reform bill through congress despite having a majority in both houses until 2006. You call that leadership? You blame this on the dems when the Republicans were in charge?

    — professor bong (I like that name – thanks – I will keep it)

  304. hippieprof,

    I like you. You’re not a pompous windbag like Curator. You actually seem to have an honest intellectual curiosity. I’ll apologize for treating you like Curator. Perhaps a poor assumption on my behalf.

    Out of curiosity, though – explain how less regulation would have kept the meltdown from occurring.

    Without attempting to be obtuse, I’ll answer your question with a question. If the regulation didn’t work and to me that glaringly obvious, yet the regulation has become a major expense to the tune of many millions of dollars, why would you facilitate implementation?

    Or to put it another way, for every expense incurred by a corporation without any obvious benefit, why should it not be eliminated?

  305. “A growing number of people once affiliated with Acorn want nothing more to do with the group. Marcel Reid, for example, was one of eight national Acorn board members who were removed last year after demanding an audit of the group’s books. She notes that Acorn received $7.4 million in contributions from the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) between 2005 and 2008 but actively fights unionization efforts by its own employees. Ms. Reid also notes that Acorn was sanctioned by the National Labor Relations Board in 2003 for illegally firing workers trying to organize a union…

    Former Acorn board members tell me the group has always been confident it will be protected. After the Nevada voter-registration fraud indictment last May, Bonnie Greathouse, Acorn’s chief organizer in the state, told the Las Vegas Review-Journal that ‘we’ve had bad publicity before’ and survived. ‘People always come forward to our defense. We’re just community organizers, just like the president used to be.’”

  306. Can’t respond to comments tonight … got to get to bed “early” (11:30pm???) for a very early rise tomorrow. Will be out all day. Will respond to whatever transpires in the meantime when I get back tomorrow night.

    (I know Elric thinks I keep my eyes on the comments section at all times, so I just wanted to explain why he won’t get immediate answers … you know what a dodger I am.) 😉

  307. Tex,

    Thanks – this is all about intellectual curiosity for me. In fact, that is why I am in the profession I am in. They essentially pay me to think about interesting stuff, and engage others in thinking about it. Absolutely the best job in the world, at least for me.

    I actually believe in free markets – and in fact I think pure socialism fails each and every time it is tried for the simple reason that it does not reward individual effort.

    This having been said, I think the free market fails at times too – I already mentioned that people think they are smarter than the market. If one or two people have that idea they will typically make millions. When lots of people think that at the same time they all rush in and assume big risks and end up losing millions because the market crashes before they can get out.

    An efficient free market also requires good information about market conditions – simply so people can make good decisions. If information is not freely available (for example – insiders are privy to special information) or if false information is out there (for example, Enron) people will obviously make bad decisions.

    Finally, markets are short-sighted. Investors and consumers are looking for a quick profit or bargain, but tend to ignore the long term aspects of their actions. By the time they realize the long-term consequences, it is too late.

    This is just a long winded way of saying that I think some regulation is required. In particular, regulation is required to insure information is freely available (which is the original intent of SOX, regardless of how successful it ended up).

    Regulation is also necessary to keep people from doing stupid things. I don’t mean that in an arrogant way – I am not trying to claim I know best in my great wisdom or anything. People will simply behave stupidly if given a chance. A good example are limitations on buying on margin. If we didn’t have margin limits history tells us that people buy too much on margin. When the market inevitably turns south and the margin calls come in, people panic and the market crashes. This might be OK if the crash only hurt those who made the stupid margin purchases – but a crash hurts everyone. Thus, the regulation here is a good thing.

    To apply this to the recent meltdown – banks made stupid lending decisions. They took on too much risk. As a result they were caught with their pants down when the market turned – and we have seen the result. Some regulation putting an upper limit on financial risk could have softened that.

    Wow – that was way too long….

    Bottom line:

    free market = good
    some regulation = good
    too much of either = bad

    …and finding the right balance is the kicker….

    — hippieprof

  308. Hippieprof,

    Nice answer. I can’t find much to disagree with – understand that I don’t necessarily believe all regulation evil. There is obviously a need for oversight. The was the original intent of the SEC – obviously, they failed us.

    The only short coming of capitalism is that it is based on two assumptions: (1) honesty and (2) personal responsibility. Obviously, there were many people who failed miserably at both and guys like you and I suffered the consequences, even though we both followed all the rules.

    My suggestion would not be more regulation, but to punish those who perpetrate the fraud, and make the punishment severe enough to be a deterrent; no more country club stays in the pen.

    In addition, I would ban the concept of short selling – heresy from my MBA degree years gone bye, but I believe it defeats the purpose of increasing wealth for all parties involved. If there is a zero sum game, short selling is it.

    Finally, there is one rule (or regulation if you prefer) that I would immediately invoke – and again I’ll receive argument from my side. The CEO can not also be Chairman of the Board as this invites not only cronyism, nepotism, and the like. Wouldn’t we all like to set our own salaries?

    P.S. – I would also like you to know that we shareholders share much of the blame. If we demanded integrity of the Directors like we should instead of simply making a buck, I believe much of the fraud could have been prevented.

  309. There was a comment earlier, more a question, of who was correct, Keynes or Smith. Clearly, Smith was correct.

    It was not a lack of government involvement that caused the housing bubble, in fact, it was quite the opposite.

    What They Said About Fan and Fred
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122290574391296381.html

    Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.): “Through nearly a dozen hearings, where frankly we are trying to fix something that wasn’t broke, Mr. Chairman, we do not have a crisis at Freddie Mac and in particular at Fannie Mae under the outstanding leadership of Mr. Frank Raines.”

    Note: Raines was forced out of Fannie Mae in December 2004 after the Securities and Exchange Commission launched an investigation into alleged accounting problems at Fannie Mae involving an estimated $6 bn in accounting problems. The Office of Federal Housing Oversight sued Raines in 2006, accusing him of aiding accounting shenanigans at Fannie, which allegedly involved the delay of reporting losses so top executives could earn large bonuses.

    Rep. Maxine Waters (D., Calif.): “Mr. Chairman, we do not have a crisis at Freddie Mac, and in particular at Fannie Mae, under the outstanding leadership of Mr. Frank Raines. Everything in the 1992 act has worked just fine. In fact, the GSEs have exceeded their housing goals.”

    Rep. Gregory Meeks (D-NY): In a hearing several years ago about a report on the safety and soundness of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac from their regulator, Armando Falcon, Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight Director, Falcon came under fire. Meeks said; “The GSEs have done a tremendous job. There has been nothing that was indicated that’s wrong with Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac has come up on its own,” adding the regulator was trying to give the two a “heart surgeon [sic] when they really don’t need it.”

    Rep. Barney Frank (D., Mass.): “The more people, in my judgment, exaggerate a threat of safety and soundness, the more people conjure up the possibility of serious financial losses to the Treasury, which I do not see. I think we see entities [Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac] that are fundamentally sound financially and withstand some of the disaster scenarios.”

    Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.): In the same hearing several years ago about a report on the safety and soundness of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac from their regulator, Falcon, Frank attacked Falcon: “I don’t see anything in your report that raises safety and soundness problems.”

    Sen. Christopher Dodd (D., Conn.): “I, just briefly will say, Mr. Chairman, obviously, like most of us here, this is one of the great success stories of all time.”

    Sen. Charles Schumer (D., N.Y.): “And my worry is that we’re using the recent safety and soundness concerns, particularly with Freddie, and with a poor regulator, as a straw man to curtail Fannie and Freddie’s mission.”

    Franklin Raines, former head of Fannie Mae: “These assets are so riskless that their capital for holding them should be under 2%.

    Richard Syron, former head of Freddie Mac: “If I had better foresight, maybe I could have improved things a little bit. But frankly, if I had perfect foresight, I would never have taken this job in the first place.”

    These folks, who blocked efforts to regulate these entities, happen to also be the beneficiaries of big money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

    Top Ten…
    Dodd, Christopher J S CT D $165,400 $48,500 $116,900
    Obama, Barack S IL D $126,349 $6,000 $120,349
    Kerry, John S MA D $111,000 $2,000 $109,000
    Bennett, Robert F S UT R $107,999 $71,499 $36,500
    Bachus, Spencer H AL R $103,300 $70,500 $32,800
    Blunt, Roy H MO R $96,950 $78,500 $18,450
    Kanjorski, Paul E H PA D $96,000 $57,500 $38,500
    Bond, Christopher S ‘Kit’ S MO R $95,400 $64,000 $31,400
    Shelby, Richard C S AL R $80,000 $23,000 $57,000
    Reed, Jack S RI D $78,250 $43,500 $34,750

    http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/09/update-fannie-mae-and-freddie.html

    Regulating Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
    http://www.aei.org/outlook/22514

    Bush attempted to increase regulation of Fannie and Freddie some 17 times starting way back in 2003. It was the Dems who blocked these efforts every time.

    Couple this with the fraudulent and strong arm tactics of groups like ACORN, who used the Community Reinvestment Act as a blunt object weapon against financial institutions who thought a job and collateral were just basic requirements for a loan.

    I’ve seen this too many times in third world states around the world, were identity politics are used, and it never works…

  310. “To apply this to the recent meltdown – banks made stupid lending decisions. They took on too much risk. As a result they were caught with their pants down when the market turned – and we have seen the result. Some regulation putting an upper limit on financial risk could have softened that.”

    Regulation was the cause of some of those stupid decisions. They were forced to make those loans.

  311. Gorilla,

    Another great summation – indeed the much maligned George W. Bush did try to put the stops out on Fannie & Freddie. And yet this fact gets conveniently lost in the argument.

    However, I am willing to put a small part of the blame on Bush as he presided over the meltdown. This part of his persona was the biggest criticism I had of an otherwise (what I believe) to be a good man. The fact that Bush was naive enough into believing he could reason and work with men like Senator Teddy Kennedy. The fact that unlike Obama, Bush kept it in check while continually and mostly unfairly criticized – choosing to leave the gun in the holster.

    And speaking of Kennedy, as Joe Wilson is rebuked for calling The Bomba a liar (he is), let us all remember that Kennedy, Kerry, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and a host of other sleazy Dimocrats called George Bush a LIAR in the public venue numerous times.

    When I hear of Dims like the maggot Curator call George Bush a coward, I laugh. Shortly after 9/11, Bush left his security detail and sat in a crowd of athletes at the 2002 Olympics as the Secret Service was aghast. There was an audience of 70,000 people, any which could have shot him dead as the war in Afghanistan well under way. Liberals like Curator, completely clueless and without any redeeming qualities, didn’t recognize this as a signal that we will not be frightened of a bunch of thugs.

    George Bush has many weaknesses, but cowardice is not one of them (guaranteed). 😉

  312. Tex,

    I agree. One of Bush’s greatest faults was indeed thinking that he could be nice to these scumbags. They hated him no matter what so what was the gain by being nice?

  313. (I know Elric thinks I keep my eyes on the comments section at all times, so I just wanted to explain why he won’t get immediate answers … you know what a dodger I am.)

    Actually we do know what a dodger you are so we werent expecting any meaningful responses anyway

  314. Elric said: “Regulation was the cause of some of those stupid decisions. They were forced to make those loans.”

    Elric – this is an honest question so please avoid the urge to be snarky….

    When the housing market was booming, were the banks complaining? Were they shouting “Oh oh – please stop! You are forcing me to make bad loans!”

    My sense is that they were not – that they were perfectly happy to be making those loans because during the boom they were making a ton of money. But, I honestly don’t completely know – like most everyone else I wasn’t following it that closely before the bubble burst.

    — hippieprof

  315. “When the housing market was booming, were the banks complaining?”

    They were obligated by law to give out bad laws. Doesnt matter if they were complaining or not. Just like it didnt matter that Bush tried 17 times to head this off.

  316. HP said in #453

    To apply this to the recent meltdown – banks made stupid lending decisions. They took on too much risk. As a result they were caught with their pants down when the market turned – and we have seen the result. Some regulation putting an upper limit on financial risk could have softened that.

    Many lenders,for we shouldn’t just say banks really,made many stupid decisions;however,there were many many stupid loans based equally on greed mandated by regulatory statutes.
    On the Left let’s face up to the fact that the practices you all demanded had a hand in the beating we all took.
    On the Right. Let’s face up to the fact that loans via ACORN and to low income folks were not the be all,end all of the financial crisis.

  317. New ACORN video: Murder in California?
    posted at 4:52 pm on September 15, 2009 by Allahpundit
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    I’ve been checking Big Government since 4 p.m. for the new clip but it looks like they’re going to wait and roll it out simultaneously with Beck’s show on Fox, which I assume pretty much all of you will be watching. Here’s your thread to comment. The rumors of what’s on this new one are scandalous, but they’re still only rumors — for a few more minutes at least. I’ll post the clips here as soon as they’re available.

    Over/under on how many questions the community-organizer-in-chief gets about ACORN during his Sunday morning media blitz: One. Stand by for updates.

    Things arent looking good for the group Thuggy help trained, lawyered and said would shape his agenda. LOL

  318. The New England Journal of Medicine reports that the majority of Physicians (63 percent) support a public option.

    http://digg.com/d314J2D

    The New England Journal is perhaps the most prestigious medical journal out there – certainly in the top 3. I would generally take their word over IBD and Michelle Malkin.

    (Interestingly – the 63 percent in my study and the 45 percent in yours sum to 100 within statistical error – perhaps both are right)

    — hippieprof

  319. When the housing market was booming, were the banks complaining? Were they shouting “Oh oh – please stop! You are forcing me to make bad loans!”
    My sense is that they were not – that they were perfectly happy to be making those loans because during the boom they were making a ton of money. But, I honestly don’t completely know – like most everyone else I wasn’t following it that closely before the bubble burst.
    ” – Hippieprof

    No, because they had a government guaranteed entity- Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac- buying their mortgages, so they were able to offload those liabilities.

    Economist Paul Krugman slams the administration’s “free-market ideology”; he urges Bush to “reverse course now” and “seek expanded regulation.”

    All this overlooks a crucial fact: There has been no free market in housing or finance. Government has long exercised massive control over the housing and financial markets–including its creation of Fannie Mae (nyse: FNM – news – people ) and Freddie Mac (nyse: FRE – news – people ) (which have now amassed $5 trillion in liabilities)–leading to many of the problems being blamed on the free market today.

    Consider the low lending standards that were a significant component of the mortgage crisis. Lenders made millions of loans to borrowers who, under normal market conditions, weren’t able to pay them off. These decisions have cost lenders, especially leading financial institutions, tens of billions of dollars.” – Forbes.com

    http://www.forbes.com/2008/07/18/fannie-freddie-regulation-oped-cx_yb_0718brook.html

    Fannie and Freddie still hold approximately 75% of the mortgage debt out there, putting the US taxpayer at significant risk. Again, how is this a case of Smith economics?

    Our Worst Nightmare: The Puncture of the Current U.S. Housing Bubble
    http://www.resourceinvestor.com/News/2006/1/Pages/Our-Worst-Nightmare–The-Puncture-of-the-Current.aspx

  320. I don ‘t put much into this “It’s all Fannie and Freddie fault” meme.

    Aren’t bank regulations supposed to protect bank deposits from the uncertainties of the stock market? If so, then why remove those regulations? Why was a $62 trillion market (nearly four times the size of the entire US stock market) allowed to remain utterly unregulated, meaning no one made sure the banks and hedge funds had the assets to cover the losses they guaranteed?

  321. Elric said: “This what you want drones?”

    Elric – you do realize that when you repeatedly call people drones (regardless of what they actually say) it starts to look you are the drone in the crowd?

    — hp

  322. Alfie says: “On the Left let’s face up to the fact that the practices you all demanded had a hand in the beating we all took.
    On the Right. Let’s face up to the fact that loans via ACORN and to low income folks were not the be all,end all of the financial crisis.”

    That, my friend, is a wise statement.

    Nobody’s hands are clean in this one.

    It is probably a better use of our time to figure out ways to keep it from happening again than it is to endlessly argue about who is more at fault.

    — hippieprof

  323. “Elric – you do realize that when you repeatedly call people drones (regardless of what they actually say) it starts to look you are the drone in the crowd?”

    Im not the one following Thuggy into the abyss

  324. (CBS News)- The Obama administration has privately concluded that a cap and trade law would cost American taxpayers up to $200 billion a year, the equivalent of hiking personal income taxes by about 15 percent.

    A previously unreleased analysis prepared by the U.S. Department of Treasury says the total in new taxes would be between $100 billion to $200 billion a year. At the upper end of the administration’s estimate, the cost per American household would be an extra $1,761 a year.

    A second memorandum, which was prepared for Obama’s transition team after the November election, says this about climate change policies: “Economic costs will likely be on the order of 1 percent of GDP, making them equal in scale to all existing environmental regulation.”

    The documents (PDF) were obtained under the Freedom of Information Act by the free-market Competitive Enterprise Institute and released on Tuesday.

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/09/obama-administration-cap-and-trade-would-cost-taxpayers-200-billion-per-year-equivalent-to-15-income.html

    This what you want drones?

  325. Rangel: Health bill harder after Obama speech

    By ERICA WERNER (AP) – 22 hours ago

    WASHINGTON — A key House committee chairman says proposals President Barack Obama set out in his health care speech are causing problems for Democrats trying to finalize health legislation in the House.

    Ways and Means Chairman Charles Rangel of New York says House Democrats would have to slash subsidies to the poor to get their bill to the $900 billion, 10-year price tag Obama specified.

    Rangel also noted that the president didn’t mention the new income tax on the wealthy that House Democrats want to use to pay for their bill, favoring a different approach instead. The congressman said “the restrictions that the president has given in his speech as well as the proposed discussions in the Senate has caused us more problems.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jlMpJGn28kqCcgU-aGcYE_ZHW-ywD9ANTUO00

    I still find it funny a major tax cheat wanting to raise taxes. Why not? The POS doesnt pay anyway.

  326. Gorilla,

    I’d rather ask Phil Gramm who as chairman of the U.S. Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs pushed through legislation that removed safeguards between commercial banks, investment banks, insurance companies, and securities firms? Why would he later include legislation that would ensure that neither the SEC nor the Commodity Futures Trading Commission were ever able to regulate new financial products called credit default swaps?

  327. Maxine Waters: Media Should Probe the “Birthers & Teabaggers” at Rallies
    Offensive socialist Maxine Waters–

    Despicable Rep. Maxine Waters today said that the media should investigate the “birthers and teabaggers” at the rallies like the massive rally last weekend.
    “Teabagger”, of course, is a offensive sexual term used by liberals to describe the freedom protesters who are against the record government spending.
    The Hill reported:

    http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/09/maxine-waters-media-should-probe.html

    Seems these demomarxist are really being unhinged to be playing the race card so vehemently. I bet the crone is getting tea bagged by Thuggy.

  328. The flip side of that Curator is that the looser money potentially helped many. It is the unsustainable nature of that and other human involved economic processes that gives us the falls.
    Now if you don’t like the idea of an ownership society,improved net value etc. well that’s on you.

  329. And Rutherford….Just for kicks I’m gonna say sell at 500. New Thread! Since Curator suggested once before I’m gonna suggest one now.
    The oldie but always a goodie…..RACISM
    Jimmy Carters latest press jewel,the media laxness on a number of stories and let’s not forget Chris “tingle up my leg” Mathews trying to get an African American congresswoman to call opposition to Obama racism. Rep.Edwards (D) MD

  330. Alfie,

    Sign they are friggin desperate. They cant argue the facts so they have to smear the protesters. Thats all regressives know how to do. Smear.

    As for Dhimmi Carter, he must doubly proud. Smearing good people and having al-Qaeda pimp his book. Hope all the excitement doesnt kill him.

  331. Maybe R can use some of these as a resource.

    A GOP official in South Carolina compared the First Lady to a gorilla, Chip Saltsman a candidates for the chairmanship of the national Republican party creates “Barack the Magic Negro” CD, a a staffer from Tennessee state senator Diane Black’s office e-mailed a composite picture of our country’s 44 presidents, but represents President Obama with only a set of eyes, a California Republican women’s group depicts candidate Obama surrounded by a watermelon, ribs and a bucket of fried chicken on a an illustration of “Obama Bucks”, Republican Rep. Geoff Davis, compared Obama and his message for change similar to a “snake oil salesman”and said in his remarks at the GOP dinner “That boy’s finger does not need to be on the button,” at the Texas Republican convention last year buttons being sold asked the question, “If Obama Is President…Will We Still Call It The White House?”, Republican Rep. Lynn Jenkins of Kansas made a blatantly racist remark saying the GOP was looking for a “great white hope” to challenge the Democrats, the Florida state committee-woman GOP gal who sent out that “So how did black people travel in airplanes to Obama’s inauguration when they couldn’t get out of New Orleans during Katrina?” email comedy, the Republican mayor in South Carolina forwarding his “just out of curiosity” musings about the Muslim Barack Obama being maybe a character in the Bible (the Devil, in fact), and the Republican mayor of some Georgia town typing a hilarious Facebook status message suggesting Barack Obama should give the Queen of England some typical black-person snacks such as cigarettes and malt liquor, and lastly GOP operative Mike Green posted a racist joke about President Obama on his Twitter account -JUST HEARD OBAMA IS GOING TO IMPOSE A 40% TAX ON ASPIRIN BECAUSE IT’S WHITE AND IT WORKS.

    And the standard non-apology apology from Republicans…”if I offended anyone, I didn’t mean to”.

  332. Kos not have the full quote ?

    “I’m confused,” she said. “How can 2,000,000 blacks get into Washington, DC in one day in sub zero temps when 200,000 couldn’t get out of New Orleans in 85 degree temps with four days notice?”

    i could play with the others one way or another. The thing is though I’m trying to recommend a diverse thread not one that is meant to devolve in comparing statements of a few from either side. And I stress the word few since contrary to the actions and hopes of way too many folks America has indeed changed over time and is a place to be very proud of.

  333. “And the standard non-apology apology from Republicans…”if I offended anyone, I didn’t mean to”.”

    Damn Republicans stole that from the demomarxists

  334. Elric…Americans have recently got some good advice from a source that by no means intended to do such a service. Let’s not waste our urine pissing on each other. Where there are real issues, real debate ,real fire that’s where it’s at.

  335. Alfie,

    I think this smear campaign from the White House on down is a real issue. Ignoring it isnt going to make it go away. Putting up with their crap didnt do us any good in 2006 and 2008.

    If the RINO’s had their way that Van Jones would be a Czar and ACORN would still be waiting to rig the census. Time for being nice is long over.

  336. Hey Curator, Tacit War Hero,

    Forgetting for a minute your typical blame assessment comment while you hold your dick in your hand, your boyfriend Barney Frank is still pushing for more absurd loaning.

    You going to excuse that, or are you still covering the bases for Franklin Raines, who being the good Dim you’ll excuse with walking out with a cool 90MM from Fannie because he’s Obama’s buddy and devout hater of conservatism? 😉

  337. I don’t think the RINOs are the source of anything Van Jones ish. Also the Senate recently voted 83-7 to take money away from ACORN. Hopefully they’ll cut even more ties and by all means pee all over that.
    I’m not talking about being nice. I just think we need to address the real issues. Everyone is all Wilson and Carter right now.
    Yet Bernake is excited about the recession being over and Baucus has rolled out his plan. Which story set is truly worth a wizz ?

  338. “Everyone is all Wilson and Carter right now.”

    Whats wrong with Wilson? Well except the demomarxists felt the need to frog march him to the floor and come up with some fascist list of what you can and cant say?

    “Yet Bernake is excited about the recession being over and Baucus has rolled out his plan. Which story set is truly worth a wizz ?”

    All of them.

  339. “I don’t think the RINOs are the source of anything Van Jones ish. Also the Senate recently voted 83-7 to take money away from ACORN.”

    No, the RINO’s havent made it an issue, him or any of the Czars. It tool talk radio and Glenn Beck to beat the drums to get him removed. And wow, the Senate finally voted to cut some funds. Again, it was talk radio and Glenn Beck, not these get along RINO’s. They need their asses booted out along with their demomarxist friends.

  340. The only story or rather question is why does the GOP want to incite a race war? Boss Limbaugh has already set the tone earlier with his talking point he sent out to his minions like Pastor Tex and Elric.

    “It’s Obama’s America, is it not? Obama’s America, white kids getting beat up on school buses now”

    It’s the Beck/Drudge/Breitbart/Murdoch/Limbaugh screaming at the top of their lungs…

    IT’S OPEN SEASON ON WHITE PEOPLE!!!!

    I must have missed the part of Obama’s speech to schoolchilden when he told black kids to start fights on schoolbuses with white kids so they could be expelled.

    If some black kid beats up a white kid for his lunch money, will the House Republicans demand an impeachment hearing?

    I think this along with what President Carter said is the core issue. This isn’t about health care or deficits, or fights on school buses.

  341. “The only story or rather question is why does the GOP want to incite a race war?”

    That would be Thuggy and his race baiting goons

    “I think this along with what President Carter said is the core issue. This isn’t about health care or deficits, or fights on school buses.”

    Why we care what that Jew hating loser ex Pres thinks?

  342. BREAKING: More ACORN Videos To Be Revealed
    by Alicia M. Cohn
    09/16/2009

    “There are more,” Mike Flynn, Editor-in-chief of new site BigGovernment.com, told HUMAN EVENTS in an exclusive interview this afternoon regarding the number of undercover films exposing ACORN. Flynn would not reveal the location of the ACORN office where the latest video was filmed, but he said, “It’s a slightly different discussion in this one than you’ve seen so far.” The video should break around 9 p.m. EST.

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=33581

    Well Thuggy said ACORN would shape his agenda. I wonder if he meant this. LOL

  343. Report: NYC terror plot was/is on scale of 9/11
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    Not sure what that means — were the Madrid bombings, for instance, “on the scale of 9/11″? — but an awful lot of people in the know are scrambling. Combine this with that ominous Journal piece from last night and it sure sounds like someone’s worried about WMD, probably of the chemical variety given the FBI warnings to cops about foul odors and large window fans.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/15/report-nyc-terror-plot-wasis-on-scale-of-911/

    But Thuggy was elected. They were suppose to LOVE us if he won.

  344. White House throws Carter under the bus on race comments
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    Not the first time Jimbo’s caused The One some grief at an inopportune moment. Remember when he decided to go hug it out with Hamas just as the general election campaign was kicking off last year?

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/16/white-house-throws-carter-under-the-bus-on-race-comments/

    Now let me be perfectly clear. This isnt the Dhimmi Carter I thought I knew. Ohh and btw he is a typical white ex president.

  345. You know, since Curator thinks the majority of whitey’s biggest complaint with Obama is that he is black, and if given the chance will soon be donning the hood w/lynchings to follow, I got to thinking.

    Now that I’m Klan because I don’t think Obama (or Curator) competent and voice my grievances as such, and now that we’ve got an “African-American, person of color” President, I figure it will be any day now that all Dimocrats, Curator included, will be joining up with the Crips and Bloods to overthrow conservative whitey (unless they’re UAW or NEA members) and riding across the fields to rape all the white women.

    Or something like that. Curator and Jimmy Carter deserve each other and in fact, may be related.

    Self-loathing, masquerading as wise, Jew hating, peanut men.

  346. Surprise: ACORN audit to be conducted by panel full of leftists and cronies
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    I can’t do better than Karl’s summary so I’m going to steal it: “A Soros hack, an SEIU thug, someone who pleaded to lying to the FBI, and a Kennedy.” All that’s missing are a few pimps and prostitutes for “technical expertise.” Hardest-hitting internal investigation evah:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/16/surprise-acorn-audit-to-be-conducted-by-panel-full-of-leftists-and-cronies/

    Im surprised Thuggy isnt on the panel

  347. NYC terror plot: FBI fears Madrid-style attack on subways, planning more raids
    posted at 7:23 pm on September 16, 2009 by Allahpundit
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    I was thinking today that this story is an object lesson in how utterly useless the color-coded terror warning system is. Major plot, Al Qaeda cell, hundreds of FBI agents scrambling, no arrests made or bomb materials yet found, and more raids on the way. If this isn’t a code red, nothing is.

    Note well: So convinced were the feds that these guys are dangerous that they had their hostage team in the city, ready for action in case the raids turned ugly.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/16/nyc-terror-plot-fbi-fears-madrid-style-attack-on-subways-planning-more-raids/

    Im glad Thuggy was so concerned about those racist right wing anti abortionists.

  348. The only story or rather question is why does the GOP want to incite a race war?

    Your freaking kidding right ?

    It’s the Beck/Drudge/Breitbart/Murdoch/Limbaugh screaming at the top of their lungs…
    IT’S OPEN SEASON ON WHITE PEOPLE!!!!

    As opposed to the Carters, Mathews, Olbermanns, Maddows, Dowds and on and on that label any dissent towards Obama Administration policies/statements/actions as racism. The two’fer there is that your lot is shocked when people get sick of your lies and rhetoric. Not unlike 60 years of telling young Germans they were pariahs and scumbags and breeding a fringe element you all do the same here and have the audacity to act surprised when someone says” fuck you stop calling me a racist!”

  349. Alfie,

    Curator is about as useful as lug nuts on a birthday cake.

    —————————————

    Elric, 😆

    How’d you find him? 😆 😆 😆

  350. “…lug nuts on a birthday cake”

    I guess that is better than being a racist lackey for the likes of Beck/Drudge/Breitbart/Murdoch/Limbaugh.

    Go shave your skin head.

    Bootlick

  351. Curator 😆

    Go shave your skin head.

    Lame…surely an intellectual giant like you can dream up a more effective retort than that?

    Just out of interest for the audience, let me tell you what I’ve found in my 50 years from personal experience about real racists. All of these leftist bleeding hearts like you pay a great deal of lip service to your perceived pious nature. Strip away the veneer of sanctimony, and your true feelings of superiority shine through. From expected low expectations, to flat out broken promises, clowns like you are retching once exposed.

    And it’s been my personal experience that the most racist, patronize fools are the very people continually dramatizing their pious nature, Curator, Jew hater extraordinaire lug nut. 🙄

  352. In addition, I would ban the concept of short selling – heresy from my MBA degree years gone bye, but I believe it defeats the purpose of increasing wealth for all parties involved. If there is a zero sum game, short selling is it.

    On this I fully agree. The whole idea of banking on a company’s failure seems almost, dare I say, un-American.

    The other regulation you didn’t mention Tex, which I think should be reinstated is the provision of the Glass-Steagall act which put a firewall between savings institutions and investment institutions. Banks have too wide a span of control right now, methinks.

  353. Rutherford,

    I have no argument about banks having too much control. However, you are wrong about what doctors think – trust me, you’re spinning a lie, though I’m not necessarily calling you a liar.

    But the fact doctors are for this is bogus to the max. If you don’t believe me, I hope Obama puts it to the test. Then guys like you are going to have a really big problem on your hands.

  354. The MSM is so pathetic that even Jon Stewart is dissing them. How sad is that?

    You’re late to the game Elric but then you don’t get cable. Jon Stewart has been dissing the MSM and sometimes doing a better job than they for a number of years. Case in point when he showed what a fool death panel inventor Betsy McCaughey was in a way far more convincing than any MSM report prior to that. (Another example was the night he eviscerated my former stock advice hero Jim Cramer.)

  355. They cant argue the facts so they have to smear the protesters.

    Oh puhleeeeze. Talk about low hanging fruit. All you have to do is take a picture of a protester with “We Came Unarmed (This Time)” and another contrasting an African lion to a “lyin’ African” and then let he smear speak for itself.

    It is a rotten shame that those who truly came to protest what they consider to be runaway government were torpedoed by bigots and idiots.

    And what’s even sadder, is that Elric would have been one of the buttheads in the crowd with a dumbass sign … I guarantee it. He wouldn’t be able to resist.

  356. “Jon Stewart has been dissing the MSM and sometimes doing a better job than they for a number of years.”

    So why isnt the MSM covering all the ACORN scandals. Because Thuggy trained them? Is that it?

  357. “Characterizing the Census Bureau’s decision as a move based on a lack of confidence in ACORN’s ability to perform its expected duties, Gibbs said he was not sure whether the president would ask Democrats to pull back from any campaign-year collaboration with the group.”

    I don’t know whats more messed up. ACORN itself, or the fact that a tax funded organization collaborates with Democratic campaigns and it’s just accepted.

  358. nevermind…I forgot…..Rutherford “doesn’t care about ACORN.

    For R to pretend ACORN isn’t a corrupt arm of B. Obama just shows you what a good team member he is.

    Gooooooooooo Team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  359. New ACORN video: The San Diego sting
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    I’ve been waiting 45 minutes for Big Government to post the new clip but it looks like this is the best we’ll do for now. Fifty-eight seconds long and it looks like we’ve got (a) a conspiracy to smuggle underaged sex slaves across the border and (b) a kinda sorta proposition to Hannah Giles. Full clip to come, if/when it’s posted.

    You’re all modern-day McCarthyites for watching this. You know that, right?

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/16/new-acorn-video-the-san-diego-sting/

    As DR said, Goooooooo Team!!!!!!

  360. DR,

    Actually Dodger and his ilk are very poor team players. If he and his drones actually held the demomarxists accountable for all this crap, he wouldnt be facing a mass purge in 2010. Kinda like parents that lets their kids get away with murder and now the kid is uncontrollable.

  361. hippieprof disses capitalism, seemingly oblivious to the job specialization that such a system allows. He gets paid to make a career out of studying the nut sack of chipmunks, posts messages here on his lap top from his crib in a quaint, progressive town and doesn’t for a moment see the irony.

    Mofo would breaking his back farming or building damns for the government via gulag labor if not for our kick ass market.

    The free market brought us Athenian philosophy, the Renaissance in Florence, stabilized Japan, and turns would be war mongering, aggressive alpha makes into insurance salesmen.

    His critique of capitalism is mistaken. He is actually ripping on human sin.

    Squashing the market becuase of reckless assholes is the same as banning sedans becuase of drag racing thugs on Telegraph.

  362. That chick exposing ACORN for what they really are is so unbelievably fricking sexy. Just thought I’d throw that out there. She is seriously a 10 out of 10.

  363. The thing is though I’m trying to recommend a diverse thread not one that is meant to devolve …

    Noble idea Alfie but impossible. I’ve written about race before with little progress made. Judging from this thread alone, anything new I might write would be met with excuses and denials from the apologists for bigots who make it impossible to take anti-“Obamacare” protest rallies seriously.

    Curator’s list is a good start. There are other examples as well. I was disgusted watching “Morning Joe” at dinner tonight (yes it was THAT kind of day) as Joe Scarborough went into full fledged denial, aided and abetted by a typically mealy-mouthed Mika Brezinski and an inexplicably angry Maria Bartiromo, the last of whom seemed to think it was close to blasphemy that there could be any racism afoot … after all, the President had such high approval ratings. Like that has anything to do with the price of tea in China. Poor Michael Eric Dyson tried to make the easily understood case that the majority of Americans being fair, and a vocal minority being racist is not mutually exclusive.

    Bottom line: Carter didn’t do Obama any favors by speaking the truth. Obama is doing his damnedest not to be the “black President”. So he must ignore any signs of racism whenever he sees them. Still, Carter is a man of courage. An old Southern white man telling the truth about some of his peers. People are pissed ‘cos he outed the good ole boys who think they can talk trash to Carter in private and look enlightened in public. Carter knows the score.

    Race in America pre-Obama: A total mess.
    Race in America post-Obama: A total mess.

  364. Self-loathing, masquerading as wise, Jew hating, peanut men.

    Tex, it should really concern you that your comments are becoming indistinguishable from Elric’s. I’ve noticed since you’ve returned to med school that you are also returning to your old ChenChamber self. Is the pressure getting to you? Seriously.

  365. As opposed to the Carters, Mathews, Olbermanns, Maddows, Dowds and on and on that label any dissent towards Obama …

    Alfie …. where has your mind gone dude? “Any dissent?” Are you even listening to what Carter, etal are saying?

    Obama as witch doctor is not “any dissent’.
    Obama as Muslim is not “any dissent”
    Obama the magic negro is not “any dissent”

    C’mon Alfie … you’re intelligent. Stop it.

    Obama as marxist … I can buy that. It’s stupid but it’s not racist. Any commentator who says every poster was racist is full of crap. Anyone who said none of them were is equally full of crap. But for the most part, the examples being highlighted by the folks you cite, ARE racist. Plain and simple.

    Does it mean the entire GOP is racist? No. It would help if the GOP condemned this crap instead of sending Jim DeMint out to pep-talk the crowd. For once I can actually cite John McCain as a someone to emulate in this area. As much as I dislike the dude, he condemns the BS that has been tossed around about Obama. Took him a little while to get on board but once someone at his campaign rally called Obama “a arab”, McCain finally said enough is enough.

    Now, Alfie, it’s time for you to say it too!

  366. Let us know when you make bail Bootlick.

    Curator, I honestly do not think Tex a racist. I think he is an apologist for racists because he is too proud to admit his embarrassment when he sees them doing their thing. He’s also afraid that if he acknowledges the racism, people might think he likes Obama, and he’d sooner die than give that impression. So he errs on the side of denial.

  367. Oh Rutherford,

    So what? A few ignoramuses show up in a crowd of thousands with Hitler mustaches on THE BOMBA and some snide reference to lying African and you think the Klan now rules? Putried. I’m not apologizing for them – they’re an embarrassment, no matter the party. And no, school is not getting to me. 🙄

    Now to answer your inane comment about Curator originally being one of my own. Is that supposed to be a joke? Curator was born a little weasel, was a weasel in the formative years, became a bigger weasel, somewhere along the lines turned into a lying weasel, died at the loss of Jimbo Carter, then reverted into a full bore maggot. You’re not dumb enough to think Curator anything but a PINKO are you? Shit, he’s worse than you are about scanning around the net for some nugget of Keith Olbermann vomit – actually believes that junk.

    Curator is as phony as the day is long “R”. He’s the male version of Medea Benjamin. Probably looks like her too. 😉

  368. Thought you all might be interested in this. I know it is bad form to link your own blog – but we have been talking about racism and I figured, what the hell….

    http://hippieprofessor.com/2009/09/16/the-subtlety-of-modern-racism/

    I am sure I will be called a drone and a bong head and a commie and 18 billion other insulting things because of what is in the post – but I would like it if you would pay some attention to the research study I describe in the post. Then, when you are done heaping scorn on me, I would be interested in what you think are the implications of that study….

    I must be insane – or a masochist – or both – to post this here – oh well….

    — hippieprof

  369. Obama the ‘Magic Negro’
    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-ehrenstein19mar19,0,3391015.story

    It wasn’t the right who said this, it was the left.

    Even Obama doesn’t think Wilson’s outburst was about race, yet every left wing media outlet is hammering the race card, why?

    How about the fact that it is a conversation stopper.

    “Your plan is going to bankrupt this country.”

    “You’re racist because you won’t support Obama.”

    “?” What do you say to this, other than fuck you, and then walk away. That is why the left is so focused on race, because if you talk health care, the numbers just get worse.

    Oh by the way, those Obama-Hitler posters are from LaRouche, who’s a socialist that is just taking advantage of the rallies. So, if you’re going to somehow lump those idiots with the right, then every rally filled with socialists, anarchists and anti-war lefties is yours.

    Jimmy Carter is an idiot. He was an idiot in the White House and he’s been an idiot ever since. Thank Jimmy Carter for the vast majority of the problems in the Middle East. This idiot should be shunned at every turn, and seeing Obama copy this moron is terrifying.

    HP, I read your blog and no, I don’t buy it either.

  370. R, these pics of evil posters supposedly from Saturday’s march, can you link them?

    Everything I’ve seen hasn’t shown anything of that kind. The only thing I’ve seen is the LaRouche posters (Obama-Hitlerstache) and the Obama Joker.

    Thanks…

  371. “Still, Carter is a man of courage. An old Southern white man telling the truth about some of his peers. People are pissed ‘cos he outed the good ole boys who think they can talk trash to Carter in private and look enlightened in public. Carter knows the score.”

    Dhimmi Carter is a Jew hating islamist supporting jerkoff. He said that the vast majority of the protesters are racists. Are they?

    Flashback Hypocrisy: Jimmy Carter Calls Obama a “Black Boy”….

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/09/flashback-hypocrisy-jimmy-carter-calls-obama-a-black-boy.html

  372. “Tex … don’t think you ever answered comment # 369. Why all the animosity toward Curator, a former member of your team? ”

    Ohh the irony of Dodger asking that his question be answered.

  373. hippieprof,

    While we disagree on virtually everything, no more red diaper baby comments from me to you. You ask professionally, you’ll get my best stab at a “professional and civil” response. I’ll try and address your question.

    Are we unconsciously acting out of racism? I suppose it is possible, but my intent is certainly not to be. Who knows. But I promise you my visceral dislike of THE BOMBA that I’m “consciously aware of” has nothing to do with race. I don’t like the man’s smugness, his narcissistic attitude, I abhor his policies, and I question his decision making skills.

    However, I now have a question for you in return. Since 95% of blacks voted for Obama, are you willing to excuse the more visible form of racism, being that most blacks socially may be more conservative than whites, yet 19 out of 20 blacks voted for the most liberal candidate of modern record? Are you willing to excuse that black on white crime rampant?

    I believe most whites, myself included, are getting very tired of the double standards, the constant shrill cry about “history” of which me, my family, or my friends had nothing to do with, the request for reparations, and the blame game for all of the ills of the black community being caused by Jim Crow & white America – even though 70+% of children are being born out of wedlock in a black family. Are you willing to lower standards for admittance to higher learning because of the color of one’s skin? Can you explain to me why a black man like Tiger Woods could be far and away the most popular golfer on the course, even though the crowd virtually all white if they are racists? I could go on.

    You may have a legitimate point, as I really don’t know. But your message really only addresses half of the issue – in fact, even ignores the less tacit form of racism. Or in the case, the more egregious form of racism from the left; that being the form of low expectations.

  374. Tex,

    By that liberal logic, they are saying that if Thuggy was white instead of biracial, we would be willing to accept all this fascism. Pelosi heads Congress, does that mean we are “unconsciously” sexist?

  375. DR says: “hippieprof disses capitalism, seemingly oblivious to the job specialization that such a system allows. He gets paid to make a career out of studying the nut sack of chipmunks, posts messages here on his lap top from his crib in a quaint, progressive town and doesn’t for a moment see the irony.”

    DR – you are wrong. Esoteric academic specialties (such as my own) exist precisely because the government does NOT allow the free market to dictate academic content. The government supports academic esoterica in many ways – most obviously in the form of Federal grants from NIH, NSF, etc. Universities use faculty governance in the determination of hiring priorities, etc – and faculty governance is decidedly not driven by market conditions.

    If the free market did indeed drive academic specialty, Philosophy and English and Classics and History departments would have ceased to exist long ago. All that would be left would be “cash cow” departments such as business.

    — hippieprof

  376. Tex,

    He probably wont. We both know this race baiting is being driven to overdrive because they cant defend Thuggy’s policies. Like barring Honduras but allowing these thug regimes in. They wont touch it like they are ignoring ACORN and the Thuggy connection.

    Much easier to race bait because its just smears they dont have to think or provide facts.

  377. I dont call Thuggy a fascist for nothing

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  378. Tex,

    Thank you – I do appreciate your willingness to converse about this stuff. You are no more a knee-jerk conservative than I am a knee-jerk liberal, and I find that refreshing. I wish everyone here were so willing (glancing around)…..

    You note that 95 percent of blacks voted for Obama, even though he is far more liberal than they. Is that racism? On a superficial level, perhaps – in the sense that people voted on the basis of race. But you also need to remember what an important symbol Obama is for the black community. Symbols ahve value – and in this case extraordinary value. The American dream tells us that “with hard work you can be whatever you want to be.” For many reasons, the black community simply does not believe that because in the American dream because historically that dream has not been possible for them. Obama’s election is symbolic precisely because it offers the hope that things have indeed changed – that the American dream is in fact available to the black community after all. A vote for Obama is thus a symbolic reassurance for that community that we have moved forward. African Americans WANT to believe in the American dream – and Obama’s election gives them the hope that they indeed can.

    (By the way – I am not simply speculating about the above – black friends and colleagues have in fact told me as much – and many black writers have expressed similar sentiments)

    You may or many not agree with my “symbolic” analysis above – but for a moment think about the implication if I am correct. The black community has historically been disengaged from American society – partly out of the belief that they will not be allowed to succeed in that society. This disengagement is not a positive thing for any of us – society is in fact healthier when the entire population is engaged. If Obama’s election spurs engagement of that community (and I am already seeing evidence that it is) then frankly we all benefit in the long run – even people who do not like his politics.

    — hippieprof

  379. Tex….

    I got so involved in writing my last post that I forgot to address some of your specific questions….

    First – remember the racism I am talking about is subtle. It is not something a person is aware of, although one can become aware of it if through self-reflection. I myself denied its existence until I started thinking about it – and when I did I recognized it in myself.

    As far as Tiger Woods: He is popular because he is freakin’ good. Americans love a winner, especially in sports – and that love of a winner overpowers the more subtle form of racism I am talking about. However – suppose Tiger were not so good – say he was ranked 53rd on the PGA or something. I could guarantee you that his sponsorships would not be nearly as lucrative as white golfers ranked 52nd and 54th.

    American universities in fact do admit African Americans with lower academic credentials than whites when test scores are the only consideration. Is this racist? That is a complicated argument. The “Michigan decision” by the Supreme Court upholds such a practice if maintenance of diversity is an educational goal of the institution.

    Before we argue about whether that decision is right or wrong, let me relate an interesting factoid: Universities are now engaging in a kind of affirmative action towards males. Female applicants to colleges are now far superior, on paper, to male applicants. If colleges were to be “gender blind” in their admissions policies then the vast majority of college students (upwards of 75 percent) would be female. Universities actually admit less-qualified males over more-qualified females, on the belief that it is a good for the university to maintain a gender balance near 50-50.

    Is that policy – one that actually works in favor of males – sexist?

    — hippieprof

  380. Elric said: “Obama Administration: Cap & Trade Will Cost American Households $1,761 a Year”

    Elric – if global warming continues at its present rate, how much will it eventually cost American households?

    Hard to figure – because it is hard to imagine what life here might be like if Iowa started looking like the Sahara….

    Of course, I am sure you deny that global warming exists. That is the conservative drone answer – just deny the problem.

    — hippieprof

  381. Elric says: ” By that liberal logic, they are saying that if Thuggy was white instead of biracial, we would be willing to accept all this fascism. Pelosi heads Congress, does that mean we are “unconsciously” sexist?”

    I am not saying that you would accept Obama’s ideas were he white. I am saying that, on the average, he is getting a nastier reception than a white person with comparable ideas.

    For example – do you think the tea parties would have started if Obama were a white man with the same ideas? We will never know – but I suspect not.

    Regarding Pelosi: Similar studies to the ones I have described on my blog do in fact indicate unconscious sexism. If employers rate two resumes, one with a female name and one with a male name but otherwise identical, the male will invariably be rated higher.

    I know you guys do not want to admit that there is unconscious racism or sexism – but how do you account for those results in any other way?

    — hippieprof

  382. Careful Hippieprof,

    One wrong move, one wrong word, one time you backup your position with fact or reason, and Pastor Tex will out you as a cowardly, traitorous, liberal scum, that society would be better off without.

    Rule of thumb: Conservatives are good, Liberals are bad, Bush did no wrong, Obama will ruin everything.

    You should get along fine with Pastor “knee-jerk”.

  383. He said that the vast majority of the protesters are racists.

    No, actually Elric, he didn’t.

    “”I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he’s African-American,”

    So no, Elric, he did not say the majority of protesters were racists. He said the majority of protesters with hateful posters were racially motivated. For once, I have to agree with Tex that most of those gathered were not even carrying posters.

    Elric, please read sh*t before you comment on it.

    P.S. One point on your side … in a subsequent statement Carter made reference to a sign that said to bury Obama with Kennedy. The sign actually said to bury “Obamacare” with Kennedy. Equally insulting to Kennedy but not a death wish on Obama. So unfortunately, sometimes Jimmy Carter does as bad a job at reading as Elric does. WOW, they have something in common. 🙂

  384. Flashback Hypocrisy: Jimmy Carter Calls Obama a “Black Boy”….

    Elric are you really this f*cking stupid???? Carter was referring to Obama when he was a black youth … a black boy. There is nothing racist about referring to a black five year old as a black boy, you dimwit. It is referring to black men as “boys” that is offensive.

    You are either one of the dumbest dudes commenting on this blog or you will throw anything at the wall to see if it sticks.

    Goodness gracious!

  385. Can you explain to me why a black man like Tiger Woods could be far and away the most popular golfer on the course, even though the crowd virtually all white if they are racists?

    Yikes, Tex you could not have picked a worse example. Do you know how many black golfers had to pave the way for Tiger in one of the most racist sports in the history of sporting? Tiger benefited from those who went on the equivalent of the chitlin circuit of golf. He benefited from those who broke the barrier.

    Both baseball and golf were essentially racist until folks with a bit of courage (both white and black) integrated the games.

  386. For example – do you think the tea parties would have started if Obama were a white man with the same ideas? We will never know – but I suspect not.” — HP

    I disagree. If Howard Dean were president (thank God for small favors) and was pushing these same policies, I think we would have seen the exact same response. In fact, I think that the healthcare issue would have actually died by now because instead of distractions from the deabte with race-baiting accusations, there would have been constant attention paid to the bills.

  387. Shameful– Obama Surrenders to Russia & Snubs US Allies… Scraps European Missile Defense Program” — Elric

    I disagree, we get faster deployment with proven systems on multiple platforms. Things have gotten batter in the system over the last few years so I’ve no heart break in shifting the system.

    The test will be to see Russian reciprication vis a vie the Iranian problem set. If Russia continues to block efforts to hold Iran accountable, then this will have been for not, diplomatically at least…

  388. haha, interesting conversation, kindof, if I had time to read through all this stuff. Can someone catch me up on why you all are talking about race? And why something is racist?
    If this is in the context of Joe Wilson I think theres a level of disrespect moreso then race. It’s really just a sign of the times. The republican party is still in disarray as they only band together to be against something instead of for something and have yet to decide how to bring their party back to civility instead 1950 pitchfork mobs.

    If it’s in the context of what Carter said, then Carter is right, the race issue isnt solved just because obama is president at the same time not all attacks on obama are racist. This president gets more threats on his wife and kids then any other president. People feel comfortable enough to bring guns near where the president will be and not be removed. When a few years ago a damn kid that posed no threat, just talked too much at a John Kerry event was tazed.

    My analysis is that republican politicians are being forced to the fringe part of the right because their constituents thought the republican party lost their principals. But in reality it was just one president that screwed up their party, many GOPers got too comfortable (and lazy) and they werent coming up with new ideas.

  389. If this is in the context of Joe Wilson I think theres a level of disrespect moreso then race. It’s really just a sign of the times. The republican party is still in disarray as they only band together to be against something instead of for something and have yet to decide how to bring their party back to civility instead 1950 pitchfork mobs.” – Child formerly known as Sensico

    So when Pete Stark called Bush a liar on the House floor, the respect then was where? What about Barbra Lee when she did the same? In fact, at what point can you point out when the Dems showed proper respect to Bush? Hissing on the House floor, etc, etc, etc.

    Again, the pitchfork comment is indicative of your complete ignorance on issues and the context behind them- typical of the left.

    If it’s in the context of what Carter said, then Carter is right, the race issue isnt solved just because obama is president at the same time not all attacks on obama are racist. This president gets more threats on his wife and kids then any other president. People feel comfortable enough to bring guns near where the president will be and not be removed. When a few years ago a damn kid that posed no threat, just talked too much at a John Kerry event was tazed. ” – Child formerly known as Sensico

    Tazed event was hilarious.

    The race issue isn’t solved because Dems need the race issue to distract from intelligence discussion. Carter is a moron, has always been a moron, and will always be a moron.

    More threats than any other? I’d like to see that sourced. I haven’t seen a movie made about assassinating Obama yet, we have seen one for Bush…

    My analysis [Gorilla Comment: “analysis” from “Sensico” is a bit of a stretch]is that republican politicians are being forced to the fringe part of the right because their constituents thought the republican party lost their principals. But in reality it was just one president that screwed up their party, many GOPers got too comfortable (and lazy) and they werent coming up with new ideas. ” – Child formerly known as Sensico

    By fringe, I assume you mean anyone right of you, which means they’ve actually read the Constitution at some point and don’t own a Che t-shirt. We’ve shown it several times- not sure why you don’t grasp it- but several poles, particularly Pew, has shown that the number of conservatives in the country far outnumber the number of liberals, by nearly 2 to 1.

    The fact that we’ve simply reached the end of our rope; that we are no longer willing to accept blatant fraud, waste and abuse; that we are not willing to continue to support a ”representative” government that fails to be of the people, by the people, for the people ; that we demand accountability and our voices to be heard.

    Develop a core belief system, learn its structure, then come to the discussion with your “analysis”.

  390. Time for Elric the Ed Morrissey Stooge to have a heart attack.

    Israel’s Defense Minister (and the most highly decorated soldier in its history), Ehud Barak, says that an Iranian nuclear weapon would not pose an existential threat to Israel.

    “Iran does not constitute an existential threat against Israel.”

    “I am not among those who believe Iran is an existential issue for Israel.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2009/09/17/world/international-uk-israel-iran.html?_r=3

    But I….they…it’s not… Ed Morrissey said….

    Dear Stooge,

    You have been approved to escalate to a babbling tantrum, please do not advance to squealing frenzy until after you have sufficiently passed from right-wing howler monkey.

  391. Gorilla said: “More threats than any other? I’d like to see that sourced. I haven’t seen a movie made about assassinating Obama yet, we have seen one for Bush…”

    I first heard that on a CNN broadcast around the time the preacher in Arizona started calling for Obama’s death. The specific comment was that threats against Obama were up 400 percent, to an unprecedented level. It was attributed to “a source within the secret service” – and of course you have to take any such unnamed source with a grain of salt.

    I have a link to that stored away somewhere – I will look for it.

    — hippieprof

  392. Gorilla said: “….that we are not willing to continue to support a ”representative” government that fails to be of the people, by the people, for the people ; that we demand accountability and our voices to be heard. ”

    This is one I hear consistently from the right, and I don’t quite get it. As I remember, we had an election last November, and the voice of the majority of Americans was indeed heard. It resulted in Democratic control of the White House and both houses of congress. Democrats are indeed trying to enact the legislation they were elected to pass – BY THE PEOPLE.

    This is certainly not to say that the minority party has to shut up – of course it doesn’t. But you don’t get to claim that the government is acting against the will of the people when you are the minority party.

    — hippieprof

  393. Hippieprof,

    Interesting conversation and one that I wish I had more time, so I must make this quick.

    Before we argue about whether that decision is right or wrong, let me relate an interesting factoid: Universities are now engaging in a kind of affirmative action towards males. Female applicants to colleges are now far superior, on paper, to male applicants. If colleges were to be “gender blind” in their admissions policies then the vast majority of college students (upwards of 75 percent) would be female.

    Yes, and why have males fallen off the cliff the last 20 years and now the results completely backward from what they once were? Because our feckless gov’t took an issue that needed to be addressed (girls being shortchanged), then in the zeal to correct it, carried it to the point of lunacy like they do every other issue. And I think it is high time that most liberals pull their heads out of the sand and recognize almost everything gov’t touches, it ruins either in cost or deed.

    With the advent of everything from Title IX to these asinine human resource screeds, where men are browbeat by ugly women and pussified men, for a time we all submitted. I’ll make you a prediction – you are getting ready to see a huge backlash. And unlike women, men without purpose in a pack are a danger. You and I know it.

    You see, what Rutherford doesn’t realize is that much of white America is getting very tired of being blamed for sins committed three generations ago, and then only by the minority of the country. We’ve grown weary of the baseless charges of racism when black America isn’t groveled to. Has Obama’s Presidency exacerbated the speed of the frustration bubbling to the surface. Probably.

    However, I will state again that my dislike of the man has nothing to do with color and everything to do with character and his decisions. I’ve been no harder on Obama than I was Clinton (probably less). If a weak-kneed weaseling pussy like Curator in his sanctimony doesn’t believe that, who gives a damn. He’s meaningless.

  394. Tex said: “Yes, and why have males fallen off the cliff the last 20 years and now the results completely backward from what they once were? Because our feckless gov’t took an issue that needed to be addressed (girls being shortchanged), then in the zeal to correct it, carried it to the point of lunacy like they do every other issue. And I think it is high time that most liberals pull their heads out of the sand and recognize almost everything gov’t touches, it ruins either in cost or deed.”

    I agree that the good intent of government in this case seems to have overshot the mark. However, I think that is only part of the story.

    Back when I was a kid, smart boys were avid readers. For example, myself and most of my friends had read the entire Lord of the Rings trilogy by the time we were out of 4th grade. Nothing like that happens now. These days, boys simply don’t read (there are lots of studies on this – I will look up references if you like). Instead, they play video games. As a result, boys don’t develop the critical language skills necessary for success in highschool and college. Girls, on the other hand, are less attracted to video games

    I have seen this with my own kids. I have three girls and a boy. All three girls are avid readers. On the other hand, it is almost impossible to get my son to crack a book. I don’t think we have raised him any differently either – it is just that it is not cool to read among my sons friends.

    Of course, I could blame this on the free market – after all, the free market availability of all those games is the root cause…. but I won’t go there…

    😉

    — hippieprof

  395. but Nate knows his stuff and tends to be spot-on in his statistical analysis.

    Nate does indeed know his stuff and I wouldn’t even accuse him of left wing bias.

    By the way, in the I told you so department, please go back and read comment #512.

    Why would anyone trust anything political coming out of IBD, the voice of Wall Street? Wall Street has a large part in our financial unraveling.

  396. white America is getting very tired of being blamed for sins committed three generations ago, and then only by the minority of the country

    Ehhh, my history books taught me we were HALF slave and HALF free. That’s hardly a minority of folks. We didn’t have a civil war with the US battling South Carolina only. The confederacy was about half the country.

    Man do you like to minimize history Tex. “It was a minor scuffle, let bygones be bygones.”

  397. If this is in the context of Joe Wilson I think theres a level of disrespect moreso then race.

    Sensico, I believe it is both. Wilson’s background suggests a less than stellar racial attitude. Is it possible to yell “You lie” at the president during a joint session and not be racist? Of course. You have to look at the man doing the yellin’ to guess at motive.

    Also, Gorilla please stop crying about how bad Bush had it. I repeat, and you have not refuted it, no congressman ever yelled anything derogatory at Bush during a joint session. A chorus of “booo” does not meet the standard.

  398. Rutherford I’m absolutely amazed by how you’re coming off here. If you make a judgement on a population group based on past experience isn’t that a tad mmmmm…..RACIST???
    Or is prejudice not always racist in the setting of people and politics ?
    Also to your direct call out of my intelligence and ideology as it were. Dude the people I cited are making statements that cover not only the true racist events but applying the label to all that dissent. When I said dissent it had nothing to do with Tea party types or viral emails.
    As for Tea Parties….They were going to happen no matter what. Even if McCain got in they were likely to happen but not to the level they have. tea Parties are not lynch mobs of yore looking for the black man. They are years in the making kind of things pissed at the tax man.
    R back to yyou and your thoughts on Wilson to Gorilla.

    You have to look at the man doing the yellin’ to guess at motive.

    What are your motives ????
    If Wilson is as big a robe wearer as you and yours want to think surely his comment and motives thereof are aimed at illegal aliens.
    Wall Street???? How come I think you probably love Wall Street as long as there are those thin stats that gives Bernake & Co. the gall to say the recession is ending. One month uptick secondary to back to school shopping and insanely discounted car sales. Let’s get the money on the table. When will we see the first “Christmas is gonna be rough” news story?
    HP on the humor extension: the free market corrupted your son and the government schools and libraries couldn’t save him.

  399. “Also, Gorilla please stop crying about how bad Bush had it. I repeat, and you have not refuted it, no congressman ever yelled anything derogatory at Bush during a joint session. A chorus of “booo” does not meet the standard.”

    Grasping at straws to excuse the hateful rhetoric from your party for 8 years?

  400. ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) — Former President Jimmy Carter reiterated Wednesday that he believes racism is an issue for President Obama in trying to lead the country.

    …..”I think people who are guilty of that kind of personal attack against Obama have been influenced to a major degree by a belief that he should not be president because he happens to be African American.

    http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2009/09/jimmy-carter-doubles-down-on-his-racist-comments-his-opponents-believe-obama-shouldnt-be-president-b.html

    This coming from an antisemite

  401. Oh and tonight Hannity will have a special on California and what regressiveism is doing to the farmers. I challenge the drones to watch it and then say they want the same people running their health care and controlling their energy use.

  402. “Now, if government cannot fix health care, who can?”

    Given the government track record on fixing things, Id trust anyone else but government.